FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.

I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.

So the win-win situation is that:

1) some guys [B]save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money [/B] by stop visiting Sharks.

2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.

Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.

[QUOTE=Gorge2;2878969]To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.[/QUOTE]So that would make it more expensive than most girls in Sharks?

[QUOTE=Shark16;2878923]Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.

Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.[/QUOTE]Yes, Wellcum is a very beautiful club at the bottom of wonderful Carinthians, even trees now hide a bit, but even I found really good kisser, even in lounge before room, woman type Juliet. Ro for 140/60 with BBBJ but not skillful to suck and average for fucking, 0 upselling, but I would not advice Wellcum for their girls level in bed, when I got so far higher level in Germany and even at Sharks for more than 10 rooms on 2023 . Best for me at Wellcum are foods, not much upselling is better than at Sharks since Summer, BBBJ is full standard but I hate: Italians don t kiss, I don t kiss but I suck good, told by girls. Even 0 room on most of my last visits, but at Sharks, Sena, Tara are higher level than at Wellcum. Less girls, but Oase can compete for beauties and quality with Sharks, with less upselling now and higher level for girls than at Wellcum. GG is on another level for quality if You love women, not for schoolgirls.

[QUOTE=HappyTour;2878967]A Taiwanese told me that Emma (probably also Melanie) could speak some Taiwan language. One time I overheard that Emma said "Goa ai Lee" to a young Asian. Later on the guy told me it was Taiwanese language means " I love you".

Emma and Melanie are very famous at a Taiwanese sex forum since 2016. Taiwaneses called these two girls as "two beauties of Asian hunters".

Of course I believe Emma and Melanin could also speak some mandarin or Japanese.

These days, many girls could speak more or less Asian language. One time a girl shouted at an Asian guy "ai shi te ru" . It is " love you" in Japanese. LOL.[/QUOTE]Just because they speak 2/3 sentence, don't means they speak a language.

Believe me, both will laugh you out, after they got your money!

Emma is max. A 6 .

And melanie with her unnormal big ass is max. A 5.

The last 5 x I was in sharks, they both only seat at the bar and waiting for customers.

I haven't seen them doing any business.

Real beauty asian hunter were cosmina, evita, helen, daria, but they are not in sharks anymore.

[QUOTE=HappyTour;2878967]A Taiwanese told me that Emma (probably also Melanie) could speak some Taiwan language. One time I overheard that Emma said "Goa ai Lee" to a young Asian. Later on the guy told me it was Taiwanese language means " I love you".

Emma and Melanie are very famous at a Taiwanese sex forum since 2016. Taiwaneses called these two girls as "two beauties of Asian hunters".

Of course I believe Emma and Melanin could also speak some mandarin or Japanese.

These days, many girls could speak more or less Asian language. One time a girl shouted at an Asian guy "ai shi te ru" . It is " love you" in Japanese. LOL.[/QUOTE]Speaking or knowing some phrases? Because I literally saw Emma 2 days ago, did not go to room, and no she is not fluent in mandarin or any Taiwanese dialect. Her East Asian language fluency is about on par with my Eastern European language fluency. As in, county to 10, say Hello, say I love you, blah blah blah.

Yikes, the lying down and taking it attitude is what's ruining the scene. It does strike me as an odd reaction when the reaction of criticism to a club seems so personal.

Every one can do what they want with their money but should realize and admit when it is contributing to the deterioration of the scene. You can see it when you see all the worse type of new girls showing up. Ones who have been in the business long enough to get silicon. Lazy new princesses. Girls who ask for tips even when paying 200 e rate.

Spend your 200/ hour but do not pretend you are not part of the decline of the FKK.

I said fuck it and paid the 200 e rate one time just to see. The room was okay. Got baby kisses and was shorted on time. Decent everything else. In the end, still pressures me for a tip. This should let people know that there is no ceiling for what the women will ask. All 100 e rooms were just suck and fuck bullshit rooms. At this point, I expect a bust if I ever take a girl who is not a regular.

Pay what you want but normalizing it and pushing it on others is detrimental. At least the complainers may have the effect of warning new readers that this is not normal and to not throw your money so easily.

Tourists along with 15-minute-pump young locals keep feeding the girls with 100 e for bullshit half hour sessions that are really 20 minutes.

That's why you don't see whales buying long rooms at Sharks anymore. It has become more economical for girls to pump out shit 20 minute rooms for 100 e than to even invest hours with a big spender and provide excellent service.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2879087]So that would make it more expensive than most girls in Sharks?[/QUOTE]BBBJ extra is not the norm as Austria has no condom law. 70 e service at Welcum trumps 100 e service at Sharks just about every time. 200 e 1 hour service at Sharks might get you similar value as 140 e at Welcum but that does not seem to be a certainty. I would go out on a limb and say the 150 e service at Oase might be the best of all of them at this current point in time.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2878923]Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.

Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.[/QUOTE]None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.

[QUOTE=Gorge2;2878969]To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.[/QUOTE]Not my experience at all. BBBJ is pretty much standard service in a 70 E session at Wellcum.

It's not that there are exceptions. Girls will try to upsell a little also here if they regard you as new face in the club. Typically they will try to sell a GFE package for 30 E that includes kissing and DATY. I am yet to hear that they refuse to provide BBBJ as a standard. For 140 E /60 I usually get DFK / BBBJ / DATY / CFS with COB / COT added for free if I want.

You got upsold this time. Next time I bet you will able to avoid those situations.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2879009]Not New York but California.

What do you recommend?[/QUOTE]It is still difficult to recommend anything. I have been trying to read your 2023 reports, but it is not clear to me what you have experienced this year, what your preferences are, and what you are looking for. I am therefore just assuming that you are one of the many Sharks fanboys who is offput by the latest reports about the 200 E /60 pricing and thus looking for alternatives.

If this assumption is correct, then Hessen is #1 go to place for FKK clubs. I would explore the other FKK clubs in Hessen (and not at least NRW) before making any Austria visits. The FKK scene in Germany is generally much bigger than Austria with tons of options (cannot be compared).

If I am wrong, and that you have much more experience with the Germany FKK clubs than I initially believed, but for some reason are bored with the Germany FKK scene feeling adventurous seeking something fresh and new, then sure why not. You can then skip Frankfurt and take a flight to Vienna or Klagenfurt in stead. Logistics to Austria would then make more sense.

- IMHO Wellcum is a very nice club that can compete with Sharks / Oase. It's not better, but not worse (heated outside pool and Italian food as biggest pros).

- LU is good (70+ girls on the weekend?) with quality on par with Sharks/Oase (not better/not worse).

- Biggest plus for Wellcum is less upselling than at Sharks / Oase (but also less kissing), but upsell is far from being non-existing. If you are able to play your cards right you can quite easily get a quality session at Wellcum from 70 E /30 or 140 e /60 (BBBJ / CFS / DATY and possibly kissing). I am yet to hear anyone quoting 200 E /60 at Wellcum (that is VERY rare).

So for 2- 3 days Wellcum is perfect. But there are no good alternatives in Austria as far as my experiences goes. So if you plan for 1- 2 weeks, then you will need alternatives to Wellcum, and again, logistics is far more easy in Germany.

As you can see, it is impossible to give clear recommendations unless you provide more information about length of stay, your personal preferences, usw.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2878612]Keep up the hobby and unless you are meticulous and insist on hammering all pricing details every time and you'll eventually get it every so often. I've been doing this for 15 years and a girl tried it last week. Usually it's the girl trying to see what she can get but has no intent on going to reception. I usually just give her the amount I calculate and gracefully say goodbye. Every time, the girl will be pleasant when she sees me again and several I have sessioned with again later.[/QUOTE]Sure, I'm sure it exists, it's just seems pretty rare for a girl to try to pull something like that. Upsell during session, sometimes. Recalculation of fee AFTER session, really rare. Most of my experience is not at FKKs so maybe its different. Unless it is an FKK or brothel where I'm essentially getting a somewhat random girl, I usually only see girls that are well reviewed so that helps the odds. Most times (not at fkk), I have to pay upfront and so there isnt really much opportunity for a girl to try to scam you other than offering an upsell during the session. FKKs are kind of unique in the world. good and bad.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2879193]None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip about night train from Frankfurt to Villach. Very interesting!

Your report showed up with a delay (after my response to BPB). We both have good experiences at Wellcum. I still think one should explore Oase, Palace, Mainhattan before leaving Frankfurt though (at least Oase). But to each their own.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2878706]I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.

Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?

Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?[/QUOTE]On the subject of FKK days, most recently I was told it was on Sunday and Wednesday when I called them this past September. Previously it used to be Monday, Thursday and Friday during the summer of 2022. Not sure if the Sunday and Wednesday dates has changed since then so best to call them ahead of time to enquire if you plan to visit on a FKK day.

By the way, for any Wellcum regulars, has anyone tried out new girl Kasy at Wellcum? Her body looks amazingly stunning. Tempted to revisit next March if she is still available there.

Thanks. Howie.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2879193]None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.[/QUOTE]Many clubs in Germany are higher level for me than Wellcum and Globe, lands of silicon, many not fkissing at Wellcum, so I don't pay for this. Marina. Slo was higher level for me.

[QUOTE=Bonsai;2879135]Just because they speak 2/3 sentence, don't means they speak a language.

Believe me, both will laugh you out, after they got your money!

Emma is max. A 6 .

And melanie with her unnormal big ass is max. A 5.

The last 5 x I was in sharks, they both only seat at the bar and waiting for customers.

I haven't seen them doing any business.

Real beauty asian hunter were cosmina, evita, helen, daria, but they are not in sharks anymore.[/QUOTE]Cosmina is at Oase and likes me now. Funny what she asked me few months ago, but I never forget.