Chiang Mai

Are there places in Chiang Mai, where I can pick up freelancers? Similar to Beach Road in Pattaya? Is there a decend and inexpensive Short Time Hotel? I like late morning or early afternoon for that kind of activity and I do not want to bring girls to my hotel.

I got into Chiang Mai last night. Late. Most of the bars are closed due to elections. Bad timing for me.

Got my dental work done this morning at Grace. Highly recommend.

Hopped in a tuk tuk and had him take me to Pandora. 4pm. One sad lonely looking girl in the fishbowl. I was quoted 1800b.

On the Sayuri. Better selection but quoted 2500b. And he would not move budge. Then the girl I was thinking about picking gets called.

Driver suggests Chiang Mai Hill Hotel. Decent selection. I go with 59 'nan'.

The room is pretty nice. Big tub, clean sheets, mirrors and the best part one side of the room was all windows overlooking some trees.

I think I still overpaid, 2300b, but I enjoyed it.

If possible, please provide a list of girl friendly hotels.

[QUOTE=Timps]I got into Chiang Mai last night. Late. Most of the bars are closed due to elections. Bad timing for me.

Got my dental work done this morning at Grace. Highly recommend.[/QUOTE]Hi Timps, could you please advise contact details for Grace ? I am in need of some major mouthmining work and it would be nice to combine business with pleasure ! I tried to PM you but no access.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Are there places in Chiang Mai, where I can pick up freelancers? Similar to Beach Road in Pattaya? Is there a decend and inexpensive Short Time Hotel? I like late morning or early afternoon for that kind of activity and I do not want to bring girls to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Tiger,

Go back a few weeks and look at posts by myself, and another member, about Ninnamaheiman Rd places. Nothing like Beach Rd here. 3-800bhr ST places. open around 10:30am.

[QUOTE=Gamma Beta]If possible, please provide a list of girl friendly hotels.[/QUOTE]Gamma--Send me 2000bht to siam commercial bank account # 12344**^% and I'll send you a list :-)

Come on man, do a search. Plenty of info on this site, or on the net, for that matter. Plus we don't know if you want to spend 200bht p/night or 5000bht!

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Are there places in Chiang Mai, where I can pick up freelancers? Similar to Beach Road in Pattaya? Is there a decend and inexpensive Short Time Hotel? I like late morning or early afternoon for that kind of activity and I do not want to bring girls to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say but there seems to be a complete lack of freelancers in Chiang Mai for some reason. Even late at night, apart from the ladyboys along the Klong, only some very dodgy looking females outside the Montri hotel. Can't think of a bar where there are freelancers except maybe for Spicy or one of the discos or clubs. But often they work in bars and end up in the club because they did not get lucky.

I have been told that hotel staff are often amenable to send several to your room (you can pick one) but this is not a cheap option. But that might be a solution for you.

[QUOTE=Kiwi 69]Hi Timps, could you please advise contact details for Grace ? I am in need of some major mouthmining work and it would be nice to combine business with pleasure ! I tried to PM you but no access.

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]http://www.gracedentalclinic.com/[/url]

They are probably the best in town. Most local expats go here. Clean, professional service. Prices are abit higher than other clinics in town but that is reflected in their services, equipment, and english speaking staff.

As far as combining biz with pleasure. The Nimman day houses are in walking distance from the clinic.

I respect your concern for keeping prices low, but it's a little too late for that. The p4p scene is totally messed up from years of guys overpaying. Not much you can do about it now especially when guys will throw down a 1000 or 500 baht tip just b/c he hasn't been laid for so long. Oh yah, rarely will a stunner lower her price. Law of supply and demand, and their are too many fools who ruined the market already.

[QUOTE=Animby]Try not to pay so much, next time. Unless that 1000 included barfine, you paid too much. There's a reason for short time: so she can get back and find another trick. Bar girls make their money from quantity, not quality.

You pay 1000, next time she expects a 1000.
Bargaining IS allowed.
She asks 1000, offer 500. Stand firm at 700 or 800.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Simian]Sorry to say but there seems to be a complete lack of freelancers in Chiang Mai for some reason. Even late at night, apart from the ladyboys along the Klong, only some very dodgy looking females outside the Montri hotel. Can't think of a bar where there are freelancers except maybe for Spicy or one of the discos or clubs. But often they work in bars and end up in the club because they did not get lucky.

I have been told that hotel staff are often amenable to send several to your room (you can pick one) but this is not a cheap option. But that might be a solution for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks everybody for your information! I hope, the reason for the lack of part time freelancers in Chiang Mai is the good job situation, not crackdowns from the police. I live in a Hotel, run by a decent familiy, so I cannot ask them for advice

[QUOTE=Hot Wax][url]http://www.gracedentalclinic.com/[/url]

They are probably the best in town. Most local expats go here. Clean, professional service. Prices are abit higher than other clinics in town but that is reflected in their services, equipment, and english speaking staff.

As far as combining biz with pleasure. The Nimman day houses are in walking distance from the clinic.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the information.

Your comments are much appreciated.

Maybe there are a few part time freelancers, working in Kad Suan Kaew Mall, on 2nd or 3rd floor, but I am not sure, so I was too shy to ask them. There are free sitting areas in the back. There I saw cute, well dressed young women (not teenagers any more) all alone in the afternoon (unusual for Thai ladies). Maybe somebody with more courage can check out?

[QUOTE=Simian]Sorry to say but there seems to be a complete lack of freelancers in Chiang Mai for some reason. Even late at night, apart from the ladyboys along the Klong, only some very dodgy looking females outside the Montri hotel. Can't think of a bar where there are freelancers except maybe for Spicy or one of the discos or clubs. But often they work in bars and end up in the club because they did not get lucky.

I have been told that hotel staff are often amenable to send several to your room (you can pick one) but this is not a cheap option. But that might be a solution for you.[/QUOTE]

"Maybe there are a few part time freelancers, working in Kad Suan Kaew Mall, on 2nd or 3rd floor, but I am not sure, so I was too shy to ask them. There are free sitting areas in the back. There I saw cute, well dressed young women (not teenagers any more) all alone in the afternoon (unusual for Thai ladies). Maybe somebody with more courage can check out?"


Courage or craziness ???
I would doubt they are fl'ers. This isn't PTTY.You could end up in the local "monkey house" or have some angry Thai lady screaming at you about harassment.
Strike up a conversation with beauticians, shop girls, go to the mentioned ST places, meet BG's before work, a little more work. But safer.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]"Maybe there are a few part time freelancers, working in Kad Suan Kaew Mall, on 2nd or 3rd floor, but I am not sure, so I was too shy to ask them. There are free sitting areas in the back. There I saw cute, well dressed young women (not teenagers any more) all alone in the afternoon (unusual for Thai ladies). Maybe somebody with more courage can check out?"

Courage or craziness?

I would doubt they are fl'ers. This isn't PTTY.You could end up in the local "monkey house" or have some angry Thai lady screaming at you about harassment.

Strike up a conversation with beauticians, shop girls, go to the mentioned ST places, meet BG's before work, a little more work. But safer.[/QUOTE]Thanks your your advice! The owner of a bookshop, who has lived in Chiang Mai for many years told me, that about 10.000 expatriates, mostly men, live here all year long. Maybe that is the reason for the lack of Part Time FLs? Every "Miss Take" can have a permanent Farang, Korean or Jap. BF, any time she wants, even if she is (alsmost) as old, fat and ugly as I am. Maybe I better go somewhere else?

I have been reviewring your posts with great interest and "reading between the lines" as they are written in the monger "Bangkokesque" style.

Chiang Mai is Thailand's second largest city and seems to less p4p action than even some the seedy border cities with a very small fraction of its
population.

Any thoughts of why this is(if in fact, it is)?

A ten-thousand(+ or -) population which was reported of mostly farang "ex-pats" that live in Chiang Mai permanently seems to be a sustainable number for a "mini" area like Soi Cowboy(Bangkok) and Beach Road(Pataya).

Are these points of explaination possible?

Farangs mostly have "significant others"(possibly brought there with them) and have the descipline and moral fortitude not to cheat?

Local ordinances?

Culture of local Thai inhabitants?

Lack of a significant "transient" (i.e. tourist) population?

Finally, are the "ex-pats" who live there serious that life has meaning outside of a constant, all comsuming sex race and do not walk around with their trousers pulled down around their knees as they do in other locations?

Thanks for any imput!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Lexb]I have been reviewring your posts with great interest and "reading between the lines" as they are written in the monger "Bangkokesque" style.

Chiang Mai is Thailand's second largest city and seems to less p4p action than even some the seedy border cities with a very small fraction of its
population.

Any thoughts of why this is(if in fact, it is)?


Actually it is now 3rd largest. Just read so on the web. But who believes
everything on the web, right ?? :-)


A ten-thousand(+ or -) population which was reported of mostly farang "ex-pats" that live in Chiang Mai permanently seems to be a sustainable number for a "mini" area like Soi Cowboy(Bangkok) and Beach Road(Pataya).

Are these points of explaination possible?


Isn't that Loi Kroi Rd ?? A mini-Cowboy to me some nights


Farangs mostly have "significant others"(possibly brought there with them) and have the descipline and moral fortitude not to cheat?


Most of my friends have wives, GF's or others. Believe me they cheat when the opportuity rears it's ugly head. Or they have mia nois


Local ordinances?

Culture of local Thai inhabitants?


Plenty of soapy's, karaokes, and other venues for the kon Thai. I had a fun 3 days recently (golf, etc.) with a VERY high police official in a neighiboring city. He showed me more mongering places than I ever imagined were here !


Lack of a significant "transient" (i.e. tourist) population?


This high season the bars were packed 7 nights a week !


Finally, are the "ex-pats" who live there serious that life has meaning outside of a constant, all comsuming sex race and do not walk around with their trousers pulled down around their knees as they do in other locations?

Thanks for any imput!


Farang CMer's here do seem to either work (a majority anyway), or work in the oil patch somewhere (month on, month off), have a biz, teach, or keep themselves occupied. Sure is the same in PTTY or BKK but here not so many bars open so early to get into trouble in :-)

Sure, I also have been trying to be good all my life, but even though I am old now, I still need uncommitted sex, sometimes. I do not like the Farang bars, or the rushed service at the brothels. Sayuri and Pandora are catering to the locals. I do not need the daily 24-hour-service of a rented girlfriend at the moment (as some Long-Long-Long-Time-Farangs in my hotel are really enjoying). So in Chiang Mai I miss opportunities to meet Part-Time-Freelancers, who can make a man happy for a couple of hours (I like a "Siesta" in the afternoon) Where are they hiding?

[QUOTE=Lexb]I have been reviewring your posts with great interest and "reading between the lines" as they are written in the monger "Bangkokesque" style.

Chiang Mai is Thailand's second largest city and seems to less p4p action than even some the seedy border cities with a very small fraction of its
population.

Any thoughts of why this is(if in fact, it is)?

A ten-thousand(+ or -) population which was reported of mostly farang "ex-pats" that live in Chiang Mai permanently seems to be a sustainable number for a "mini" area like Soi Cowboy(Bangkok) and Beach Road(Pataya).

Are these points of explaination possible?

Farangs mostly have "significant others"(possibly brought there with them) and have the descipline and moral fortitude not to cheat?

Local ordinances?

Culture of local Thai inhabitants?

Lack of a significant "transient" (i.e. tourist) population?

Finally, are the "ex-pats" who live there serious that life has meaning outside of a constant, all comsuming sex race and do not walk around with their trousers pulled down around their knees as they do in other locations?

Thanks for any imput!

Cheers![/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Lexb]I have been reviewring your posts with great interest and "reading between the lines" as they are written in the monger "Bangkokesque" style.

Chiang Mai is Thailand's second largest city and seems to less p4p action than even some the seedy border cities with a very small fraction of its
population.

Any thoughts of why this is(if in fact, it is)?

A ten-thousand(+ or -) population which was reported of mostly farang "ex-pats" that live in Chiang Mai permanently seems to be a sustainable number for a "mini" area like Soi Cowboy(Bangkok) and Beach Road(Pataya).

Are these points of explaination possible?

Farangs mostly have "significant others"(possibly brought there with them) and have the descipline and moral fortitude not to cheat?

Local ordinances?

Culture of local Thai inhabitants?

Lack of a significant "transient" (i.e. tourist) population?

Finally, are the "ex-pats" who live there serious that life has meaning outside of a constant, all comsuming sex race and do not walk around with their trousers pulled down around their knees as they do in other locations?

Thanks for any imput!

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lexb]I have been reviewring your posts with great interest and "reading between the lines" as they are written in the monger "Bangkokesque" style.

A ten-thousand(+ or -) population which was reported of mostly farang "ex-pats" that live in Chiang Mai permanently seems to be a sustainable number for a "mini" area like Soi Cowboy(Bangkok) and Beach Road(Pataya).

Thanks for any imput!

Cheers![/QUOTE]I think a majority of expats in CM come and live here because it is NOT a BKK or a Pattaya.

Those that mongor make due with what is available. A late drive around town last night I saw plenty of easy places to mongor...Loi Kroh, all along Moon Muang Rd, Chang Klan Rd, Nimman area. Of course, you might have to work abit harder in some of these places.

IMHO CM has world-class spas to pamper oneself and a glut of lame, sad-looking 'happy ending' massage parlors.

Also noticed alot of new karaoke places opening up lately all around town with stunning gals. At the same time, the karaoke joints along CMLand Rd are practically deserted. What a shame, CMLand area would make an excellent one-stop mongoring road.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]

Plenty of soapy's, karaokes, and other venues for the kon Thai. I had a fun 3 days recently (golf, etc.) with a VERY high police official in a neighiboring city. He showed me more mongering places than I ever imagined were here ![/QUOTE]Please feel free to fill us in whereabouts! :-)

Chiang mai just doesn't have the numbers to support a lot of hookers. I know a few and see how they struggle to meet their monthly quota and live on very little just to stay here. They too like it better here and know there is better money to be made elsewhere. I went on a tour of about 5 massage parlors with fishbowls last night and there was nothing going on. And despite the waxing, chiang rai is not a hot spot either. Cm is nice if you stay longer, and yes pretty much everybody had their regular providers what ever label you want to give them. With a wife, a mia noi, a massage girl or two and an occasional hooker there is not much pressure building up.

[quote=hot wax]i think a majority of expats in cm come and live here because it is not a bkk or a pattaya. [/quote]

exactly, mr wax. if bangkok were my alternative, i'd live in sri lanka. i'm not a monk but i do not go to the loh kroi road and rent a short timer. and i've never taken up an offer from one of the girls standing around the thae pae gate. i know which places to go to get a good therapeutic massage and i know where to go to get a furtive handjob. i know where the soapies are. i also have two lovely ladies who are happy to provide whatever relief i need in return for an evening's companionship. both are university-educated ladies who work for a living.

to mr tiger, i would suggest the girls sitting around kad suan kaew are not looking to hook and you might find yourself the unwelcome recipient of their boyfriends' attention if you make a try at them. i might be wrong. your decision to try or not. my advice is to find a favorite cafe where you can sit and talk to the waitresses. even if she isn't interested, once she knows you're a nice guy, she may introduce you to a friend or sister.

if you find her friend or sister spends a lot of time sitting around kad suan kaew, let me know...

[QUOTE=Hot Wax]Please feel free to fill us in whereabouts! :-)[/QUOTE]


and tell ! :-)

Really prefer to keep the places between myself and the guys I went out with. Besides unless you speak Thai and hang with some pretty high up officials these places would prove to be dead ends for farangs.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]and tell ! :-)

Really prefer to keep the places between myself and the guys I went out with. Besides unless you speak Thai and hang with some pretty high up officials these places would prove to be dead ends for farangs.[/QUOTE]Fair enough.

the knocking shops on soi 13 are all up and running. the blue steel door shop (third in row to the right) has completed remodel. that is to say, the reception area is now in a nice new, clean house. but the work rooms are the same grim and grotty shitholes out back as before. there are holes in the walls of the wood walled rooms (all of them) and the girls always peek, and who knows else, so plug em up and beware! the girls are the same too, as are prices (300-400 baht). the old blue door is leaning up against the fence out front.

the middle "karaoke" shop is not recommended, as there are few girls on premises (mamasan calls them on the phone to come over), the last one she brought around for me to see was about 45 and fat and looked well used (on the positive side she said she'd do anything) and the farang price is unreasonable @ 800baht (can haggle if you speak thai, but you won't get down to 300 baht), especially when sayuri is still just 200baht more for infinitely better girls and facility.

the first shop is good value, they seem to have a rotating line-up of decent lookers, and the price is 400-500 baht, and the mama/papasan are fairly good natured. rooms are not too filthy either.

bring your own rubbers or pay 30 baht extra for the sub-compact domestic model!

speaking thai makes the experience a lot easier, but english speakers can get by. this part of town is now getting very popular and moving further upmarket. don't know how long these places will survive. it is also pretty indiscreet anymore, so if you have friends who are locals and you want to keep your activity unknown, you should keep that in mind. a lot of popular and busy restaurants around the area where friends or colleagues could be lunching!

personally, i think sayuri is still the best deal in town, hands down. some of the girls in there are quite lively and good looking. only one bad experience there: having to do with bad feminine hygiene, and she was drop dead gorgeous! what a bummer! just don't go in there asking a lot of questions in english, or the price goes up: i have witnessed this again and again.

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[quote=bunsupkneelin]the knocking shops on soi 13 are all up and running. the blue steel door shop (third in row to the right) has completed remodel. that is to say, the reception area is now in a nice new, clean house. but the work rooms are the same grim and grotty shitholes out back as before. there are holes in the walls of the wood walled rooms (all of them) and the girls always peek, and who knows else, so plug em up and beware! the girls are the same too, as are prices (300-400 baht). the old blue door is leaning up against the fence out front.

the middle "karaoke" shop is not recommended, as there are few girls on premises (mamasan calls them on the phone to come over), the last one she brought around for me to see was about 45 and fat and looked well used (on the positive side she said she'd do anything) and the farang price is unreasonable @ 800baht (can haggle if you speak thai, but you won't get down to 300 baht), especially when sayuri is still just 200baht more for infinitely better girls and facility.

the first shop is good value, they seem to have a rotating line-up of decent lookers, and the price is 400-500 baht, and the mama/papasan are fairly good natured. rooms are not too filthy either.

bring your own rubbers or pay 30 baht extra for the sub-compact domestic model!

speaking thai makes the experience a lot easier, but english speakers can get by. this part of town is now getting very popular and moving further upmarket. don't know how long these places will survive. it is also pretty indiscreet anymore, so if you have friends who are locals and you want to keep your activity unknown, you should keep that in mind. a lot of popular and busy restaurants around the area where friends or colleagues could be lunching!

personally, i think sayuri is still the best deal in town, hands down. some of the girls in there are quite lively and good looking. only one bad experience there: having to do with bad feminine hygiene, and she was drop dead gorgeous! what a bummer! just don't go in there asking a lot of questions in english, or the price goes up: i have witnessed this again and again.

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i am really surprised the "shop" survived ! with the prices going up around there for land. parking at night is impossible on any of the soi's. course since these are daytime places no problem. but i find myself parking a long way away and walking so no one recongnizes my car ! :-)

Yesterday I was not feeling very horny, but the air was clean again after the rain. So I felt strong enough to mount my bicyle and ride to Sayuri. The contemporay massage place was full with Thai men (up the stairs and through the door in front of you (not to the right). Obviously they like girls a little chubby. No. 30 was slim enough for me, looked less than 20 years (old and fat, that is myself). I went straight to the counter, laid down 1200 Baht and asked for "samsip". I just know a few Thai words, but I can count up to 1000. There was no discussion about the price and I even got back 50 Baht. No. 30 is a very friendly girl. She has been working in Chiang Mai for 6 months. Long enough to learn a little English, but not yet hardened by her job. Nice body, small breasts. Following the the usual prodedures (massage, bath together, CBJ), she put on the condom with a smile and chose Cowgirl herself. Since I could not come inside her, I asked her for HJ. She would not give up, before I came, we both did not look at the watch. I gave her 100 Baht for tip and the roomlady 20 Baht. So I spent 1300 baht, Coke and tips included. Good service! Why spend more?

Indeed, why pay more? #30 is a puu ying thamadaa, as sexy as she is, and should only be 1000 baht! The lady behind the counter probably got a 150 baht tip from you on that one. Next time, March on up and give them 1000 baht unless there is a B or M or S in front of the number. B numbers are 1150 baht and include soapy massage if you want, M numbers are 1500 baht, and S numbers are 2500 baht, though I rarely see them around. Probably always booked in advance by the Thai clientele. You can book girls in advance too if you want. Just talk to papasan and ask how.

Some of the M class girls don't make it in my book (no ass, obvious stuck up attitude), but then the Thai guys don't get why we would go for a dark-skinned Isaan girl either.

One more word of advice: stay away from the girls with fake boobs and tattoos. They are generally more jaded and perfunctory in their service, though also generally have better English skills. Lao tae khun, khrap! (Up to you). Another: don't go in there wasted or acting loud, they don't like it. It is considered impolite. They will charge you 2-3 times the going rate and not be helpful about it. Goes to show you that "Thainess" extends to the brothels too!

[QUOTE=Bunsupkneelin]Indeed, why pay more? #30 is a puu ying thamadaa, as sexy as she is, and should only be 1000 baht! The lady behind the counter probably got a 150 baht tip from you on that one. Next time, March on up and give them 1000 baht unless there is a B or M or S in front of the number. B numbers are 1150 baht and include soapy massage if you want, M numbers are 1500 baht, and S numbers are 2500 baht, though I rarely see them around. Probably always booked in advance by the Thai clientele. You can book girls in advance too if you want. Just talk to papasan and ask how.

Some of the M class girls don't make it in my book (no ass, obvious stuck up attitude), but then the Thai guys don't get why we would go for a dark-skinned Isaan girl either.

One more word of advice: stay away from the girls with fake boobs and tattoos. They are generally more jaded and perfunctory in their service, though also generally have better English skills. Lao tae khun, khrap! (Up to you). Another: don't go in there wasted or acting loud, they don't like it. It is considered impolite. They will charge you 2-3 times the going rate and not be helpful about it. Goes to show you that "Thainess" extends to the brothels too![/QUOTE]I agree 1000 Baht is the going local rate if you don't go for the soapy body-to-body massage. You can have it even with the B-models for 1000. If you want body-to-body the rate is 2000 Baht. I had a good time with a B model (#128, Joy). GFE, bare blow and fuck. But she is not around anymore. Anybody knows where she is.

[QUOTE=Bunsupkneelin]
One more word of advice: stay away from the girls with fake boobs and tattoos. They are generally more jaded and perfunctory in their service, though also generally have better English skills. [/QUOTE]
While I agree that I prefer real boobs and not too much tatoos (and piercings), I fail to see a correlation to poor attitude. Their is a much bigger correlation to whether they can afford the tits.

Fake tits. Many girls are insecure with the size of their tits or unhappy with shrinkage after childbirth. Also the mug punters keep choosing the obviously fake mammoth tits (its our fault :( for encouraging it). I thing that only girls with very saggy tits should consider it (too fill the bag properly).

Tatoos are often aquired when the girl was young and drunk. They often regret it afterwards. There should be a law against tatooing girls below a certain age and if not totally sober.

Hey Mick,

Not necessarily bad attitude, just a more get 'em in get 'em out service model when it comes to Sayuri. Some folks may prefer! I have nothing against tattoos, having some myself, and nothing against fake boobs either. Just seems like the girls with a combination of both tend to be more perfunctory and mechanical in their service, perhaps having spent some time making the BKK, Phuket, Pattaya farang circuit. Ehh, It's all a crap shoot anyway unless you are a regular and know which girls are which. Actually, papasan will be glad to tell you which girl there is geng maak maak at any given moment. May not be a stunner every time, but he has not steered me wrong yet.

[QUOTE=Bunsupkneelin]Indeed, why pay more? #30 is a puu ying thamadaa, as sexy as she is, and should only be 1000 baht! The lady behind the counter probably got a 150 baht tip from you on that one. Next time, March on up and give them 1000 baht unless there is a B or M or S in front of the number. B numbers are 1150 baht and include soapy massage if you want, M numbers are 1500 baht, and S numbers are 2500 baht, though I rarely see them around. Probably always booked in advance by the Thai clientele. You can book girls in advance too if you want. Just talk to papasan and ask how.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the standard price of a regular girl at Sayuri is 1000b. But that price gets you the tiny room with a bed about two and a half feet wide and a bathtub that is too narrow for any big guy to get in and out of. The extra 150 baht gets you the large room with a separate bathing area and a big round bathtub. It is well worth it.

Arrived Saturday in Chang Mai, slept upon arrival, went out for a burger, and back to bed. I woke up on Sunday morning, my 49th bithdaydecided to try the small massage place next to the hotel (Amora Tapae). I had been the previous year and scored the owner as a freebie. She wasn't there (maybe she takes Sunday off), got a one hour foot massage for 200, then took the oily massage for 250. Oily finished with a handjob without coaxing, it was pretty clear she would have come back to the hotel later on, but I'm only here for a limited time and I had something better in mind for later on.

Despite Sayuri's mixed reviews, I decided to give it a go. Got there around 7 pm, driver didn't go inside or get a kickback as far as I can tell.

Fancy looking place on the outside, kind of a bowling alley atmosphere inside. Looked like about 25 girls in the fishbowl, no real stunners, but honestly, all of them would do the job for me. All of them looked bored, nobody smiled at me.come to think of it, I'm not sure if it's one-way glass, and maybe they couldn't see out. Several other Thais hanging out in the viewing area, no farangs at all. Was quoted 2500, I made a face, after a while price dropped to 2000. I know that's more than some would have paid, but I picked out the cutest one to me, and off we went. She turned out to be a very good choice! She spoke no English, I speak no Tai, but no problem. Her name was Moon or Mun, number 35. Twenty years old, built small, with very perky and natural tits. Very girlish, not whorish. Just what I really like! The usual complete scrubbing, slippery mattress, then on to the good stuff. She looked so fresh I had to have a taste, and she at first coverred her pussy with her hands, I kissed around it, and the gate opened. Natural and clean tasting, no fake moaning, but frankly I'm good at eating pussy and when I slipped my finger in, tight and naturally wet. I kept my finger at the same angle and she curled upward so that my finger ended up half in her butt, which she didn't seem to mind a bit.

After 10 minutes or so, I came up for air, and she rolled a condom on me and lay back, but I wanted her doggy style. Awesome, tight, and after a while I came. She cleaned me up, hugged me, I gave her a tip (400) which she clearly did not expect (which is when I really LIKE to give a tip. I had not energy for a second shot, so didn't try. One of the best pay for plays I've ever done.

Now for the negatives, which basically revolve around the room, or should I say, cell. From the harsh lighting to the cracked tile, old worn tub, etc. This room looked truly 3rd world. And coming out of the room, and no longer thinking with my dick, I was surprised to see the HALLWAY in the INSIDE of the building is built over the sewer, like the sidewalks of Chang Mai.complete with the ventalated manholes giving off the smell of sewer gas. Yuck.

Still, the girl was great, and that made the experience a winner in my book. Tomorrow I'll try someplace else.

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[QUOTE=Chiang Guy]Yes, the standard price of a regular girl at Sayuri is 1000b. But that price gets you the tiny room with a bed about two and a half feet wide and a bathtub that is too narrow for any big guy to get in and out of. The extra 150 baht gets you the large room with a separate bathing area and a big round bathtub. It is well worth it.[/QUOTE]

Chiang Guy,

You hit the nail right on the head: the Cheap 1,000 fee will give you a cheap Sayuri experience. Their VIP rooms are much better.
One golden rule in Sayuri is to treat the papasans well, Tip them and reap the rewards! they are like gods in there. There are 2 older and a younger papasan, I only deal with the young one and always tip him 200 (sometimes more): in "exchange" he sometimes gives me the VIP room free or charges me 1,000 for the B girls (usually 1,250), he also sometimes tells me which girl is not feeling well or which has already been worked a few times.
The better the info and service, the bigger the tip. Oh, and I forgot, he also sometimes gives me girls that are "reserved" if I want them (probably gives a lame excuse to the person who booked) and for that service he gets a fat 500 in his pocket. Papasans can do anything if incentivised properly.

[QUOTE=Bunsupkneelin]Indeed, why pay more? #30 is a puu ying thamadaa, as sexy as she is, and should only be 1000 baht! The lady behind the counter probably got a 150 baht tip from you on that one. Next time, March on up and give them 1000 baht unless there is a B or M or S in front of the number. B numbers are 1150 baht and include soapy massage if you want, M numbers are 1500 baht, and S numbers are 2500 baht, though I rarely see them around. Probably always booked in advance by the Thai clientele. You can book girls in advance too if you want. Just talk to papasan and ask how.

Some of the M class girls don't make it in my book (no ass, obvious stuck up attitude), but then the Thai guys don't get why we would go for a dark-skinned Isaan girl either.

One more word of advice: stay away from the girls with fake boobs and tattoos. They are generally more jaded and perfunctory in their service, though also generally have better English skills. Lao tae khun, khrap! (Up to you). Another: don't go in there wasted or acting loud, they don't like it. It is considered impolite. They will charge you 2-3 times the going rate and not be helpful about it. Goes to show you that "Thainess" extends to the brothels too![/QUOTE]Thanks for your advice! Later on I found out, that the standard price is 1000 Baht. Papasan even asked me, if I want a big room, when I laid down 1150 but. I told him that a standard room would do for me. Then he returned 150 Baht.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Papasans can do anything if incentivised properly.[/QUOTE]

Ain't it the truth? I haven't been in a while. (The GF keeps me pretty busy.) But I found the offer of buying a drink for the papasan during the selection period goes a long way. Then I almost always take his advice on which girl to use - unless there's some really good reason not to. He'll often suggest the girl who hasn't had a lot of business recently and I've heard a quiet word to the girl to make sure I don't regret it. Mostly, I haven't. A couple of hundred passed in the handshake as you thank him for suggesting such a lovely girl will undoubtedly get you preferred treatment next time. Especially if you have special requests.

By the way, if you run into a mamasan, it never hurts to follow the same routine but maybe slip in a offer for her honor, too. She won't say yes, she's got a business to run.

Trying to do some research, anyone know of a place?

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Trying to do some research, anyone know of a place?[/QUOTE]

RS,


Spent some time there in Feb. this year. Couple of nights with some high ranking politicos. They headed to CM for their fun. Except 4 their mia nois :-). I even asked about karaokes. Some small ones but very well hidden and mostly for motocy and tuk tuk drivers

Tried this place the other day, good selection and easily outdo I. E. Phucome. About 20-30 girls, three price levels: 2000. 1500. 1100. Tried both 1500 and 2000, excellent experiences. However the rooms are old, and the bathtub not really very nice. But it works, the rest is fine. They've even thrown in some new TV's there to make it look stylish

And if you don't want to enter through the main entrance, there is a gate in the back, just turn left on the next soi (coming from the city) and you can enter there.

Thanks to a ISG report, I was favoured by the aromatherapy massage at Relax Express, attached to Central Duangtawan Hotel. Pricier than most but in a reasonable room (if a little too cool). My masseuse was Tae. Very pretty and good. I was actually quite sure I would pass on any extras but Tae let me with no options. Superb HJ.

Has anyone stayed at this hotel before to enlighten me whether it is GF or not?

Appreciate any input.


SJ

Same question as previous post; does anybody know whether this hotel is GF?

Thanks !


SJ

[QUOTE=Saint Jack]Has anyone stayed at this hotel before to enlighten me whether it is GF or not?

SJ[/QUOTE]It was not when I stayed there a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=Saint Jack]Same question as previous post; does anybody know whether this hotel is GF?

Thanks !

SJ[/QUOTE]When I stayed there last year, it was GF (I had booked double room)

[QUOTE=Kaukaukane]It was not when I stayed there a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]

Hhmmm..

I have had many friends stay there when visiting. They have never had a problem bringing any TG's or BG's in. One as recently as 2 months ago ??!!

I have no experience with the hotels you ask about, since I only stayed at Raming Lodge on Loi Kroh. They are very GF.
When my TG (the one from my report, [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=3927[/url] , which some of you seemed to like) came to visit me the first time, never to leave again, I gave the senior bellhop 100THB and forwarned him of the impending visit.
He then personally brought my TG to my room!

Here is a Google Maps page showing the important Chiangmai Massage Parlours according to " soapy - massage " web site.

Please let me know of any errors and give details of any other good mongering MPs with distance and direction from a major intersection.

As I don't get to Chiangmai that often and usually have GF in tow, I have only visited a couple of these places myself so far.

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url]

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]Hhmmm..

I have had many friends stay there when visiting. They have never had a problem bringing any TG's or BG's in. One as recently as 2 months ago ??!![/QUOTE]

Thanks Greed Is Good & kaukaukane for the information.


SJ

[QUOTE=Hunter136]When I stayed there last year, it was GF (I had booked double room)[/QUOTE]

Thanks Hunter136 for the information.

I have just booked myself a double room there as well. We'll see how it is.


SJ

[QUOTE=Daddy San]I have no experience with the hotels you ask about, since I only stayed at Raming Lodge on Loi Kroh. They are very GF.
When my TG (the one from my report, [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=3927[/url] , which some of you seemed to like) came to visit me the first time, never to leave again, I gave the senior bellhop 100THB and forwarned him of the impending visit.
He then personally brought my TG to my room![/QUOTE]

That sounds like a good tactic.

How much does the room actually cost there?


SJ

The Raming Lodge is a very nice place, but it has been seeing some major price increases recently. When they first opened 3 years ago, I paid 1200/nt for a deluxe room. The following year, 1400/nt for a standard room (rather than 1600 for a deluxe room). Last time I checked, the cheapest rate I saw for a standard room was 2000/nt. Which is pretty pricey for a place that, while quite nice, does not have a swimming pool or workout room.

I honestly don't remember the exact price, but in March it was well below 2000THB for a deluxe room on two occasions about a week apart.
The prices probably vary with the season. Besides, I usually book through Agoda. I used them originally, when I did not know which hotel to pick.
Afterwards I found, that they had very good prices, much better than even the specials quoted by the hotels directly.
This is btw also the case for our favoutite LL (may Guido and Hermann forgive me!).
As far as Raming Lodge not having a pool, yes, that is a negative aspect. But I never missed the workout facility, my lovely TGF took care of that!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Here is a Google Maps page showing the important Chiangmai Massage Parlours according to " soapy - massage " web site.

Please let me know of any errors and give details of any other good mongering MPs with distance and direction from a major intersection.

As I don't get to Chiangmai that often and usually have GF in tow, I have only visited a couple of these places myself so far.

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]

Looks good to me so far. I will tell you more after my Chiang Mai Holiday Later this month (or next)

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Here is a Google Maps page showing the important Chiangmai Massage Parlours according to " soapy - massage " web site.

Please let me know of any errors and give details of any other good mongering MPs with distance and direction from a major intersection.

As I don't get to Chiangmai that often and usually have GF in tow, I have only visited a couple of these places myself so far.

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]Nice map. I'll give evita 2/dream massage a try this weekend!

FYI, I just received a promo e-mail which stated a special rate at the Raming Lodge of 1600 baht/nt.

[url]http://amazingthailand.tourismthailand.org/Deal/5/index2.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Hot Wax]Nice map. I'll give evita 2/dream massage a try this weekend![/QUOTE]
Don't blame me if they are lousy. I have no idea.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Don't blame me if they are lousy. I have no idea.[/QUOTE]No prob. I'm basing my curiousity from the soapy-massage website and evita website. I'll file a report if I partake. The place also has a ladyboy cabaret show/bar in the evenings so I'll want to make sure my masseuse is really a lady.

[QUOTE=Hot Wax]No prob. I'm basing my curiousity from the soapy-massage website and evita website. I'll file a report if I partake. The place also has a ladyboy cabaret show/bar in the evenings so I'll want to make sure my masseuse is really a lady.[/QUOTE]Correction: evita website is outdated.

They no longer have a cabaret show or ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Hot Wax]Nice map. I'll give evita 2/dream massage a try this weekend![/QUOTE]So how was it?

Hi guys,

I'll be visiting Chiang Mai for the first time next month and staying in Dusit D2. Are there any action in this hotel or in close vicinity?

Appreciate your help!
Cheers..

First, I suggest you look into archived entries for places of action. Next, you must be more specific about what kind of action you desire....soapy massage, FL, bar scene, college girls, etc. Loi Kroh, and that area has much top offer. Don't know how long you intend to stay in CM, but you should not have too much trouble getting into trouble.

Foxy Lady is right next to d2 hotel and has some nice enough girls.

[QUOTE=Saint Jack]Same question as previous post; does anybody know whether this hotel is GF?

Thanks !

SJ[/QUOTE]
Sorry to answer this so late...hope it is still helpful.

Centara Duangtawan is very girl friendly....as of 29 June 08

Although I have been to LOS many times during the years I ventured to CM for the first time this year. It was a good overall experience.
Stayed at the Royal Lana. GF. Brought a lady from a beerbar on Loi Kroh and nobody even asked for her ID. The Hotel has seen better days. Very basic, tired furniture and a trace of mildew on the shower tiles. Pros are GF, location (Night Bazaar and Loi Kroh Rd.), and good breakfast.
The mongering experience with the beerbar lady was probably one the best of the whole trip. She works at a traditional massage place during the day. She looked mid 30’s but according to her she was in her late 40’s. Hard to believe with such tight body. The session started with a real traditional oil massage. She obviously was a professional misuse. I have had many young girls who claim that they know how give a massage when in reality their skills are only limited to lay down with their legs open. This lady seemed to have enjoyed the session as she will get all wet. The session ended in the morning with another full body massage and FS. Great experience. Won’t forget this one anytime soon. Not cheap per CM standards at 2000 Baths, no BJ or anal but still an excellent experience.

[QUOTE=Butthole]Hi guys,

I'll be visiting Chiang Mai for the first time next month and staying in Dusit D2. Are there any action in this hotel or in close vicinity?

Appreciate your help!
Cheers..[/QUOTE]

Foxy Lady go-go bar right across the soi behind D2. Stay away from the beerbars next door to Foxy Lady, full of gays.

[QUOTE=Jodomas]Not cheap per CM standards at 2000 Baths, no BJ or anal but still an excellent experience.[/QUOTE]

Wow, 2,000 is indeed very expensive for CM, especially with no BJ

Just got back from CM few days ago.

Didn't manage to venture out at all as was tied up during the day with the sight seeing tours and at night had to entertain clients at karaoke (all 3 nights.....boring).

The places we went, Ten Karaoke, Twenty Karaoke and Goldstar has nice enough girls but the price was too high at 2500 for 2 hours. Opted for few hours of groping with just 300 for tips.

Sigh,,,,Need to plan a solo trip to really enjoy Thailand...

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]So how was it?[/QUOTE]Had a chance to stop by Evita Massage. At first glance, one would think this place offered lotsa hanky panky. The white xmas lights, the gals dressed sexily in red sitting on the red lounge out front, the little bar, the erotic posters, the king size massage bed...a got a woody just walking into this place.

Was nicely greeted and chose the 1hr hot aromatherapy massage for 500 baht (50bt less for the regular aromatherapy and 200 for a trad. thai massage). Was led up two or three? flights of stairs, passed a long row of beds for trad. thai massages and into a room with red decor and king size bed. I've never had a massage on a king and was looking forward to what kinda fun can be had on it. However, the room does not have a door, only a curtain. Took a quick shower down the hall while the gal set up the hot oil, bed and drawn the curtain over the window that dimmed the room nicely (it was about 5pm). BTW, the gal i got was cute 30ish and her red baggy pants and tank top was sexy enough too.

We both got onto the bed and she proceeded with what turned out to be an excellent, cmt massage. The letdown was she was also being very professional about covering my privates with the towel during the massage. We would chit chat abit, smile and I thought maybe she was saving the best for last. But in the end, I had a really enjoyable massage on a king size bed...a most relaxing experience. Certainly nothing negative to report but was not offered any extras with this gal. Maybe ymmv with repeat visits or other gals. I'm thinking about a repeat visit soon.

The service is above par, the place is very clean, the prices are reasonable, the king size bed is great, and just maybe...some extras can be had which would be a nice thrill. It's great to see a place like this in CM.

To clarify some info off soapymassage and evita site...they no longer have the cabaret show and their hrs are 2pm - 12am.

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On many occasions when I go for an oil massage, the girls will cover me with a towel, but I simply remove the towel and they understand the reason why. No problem, they carry on. This even worked with a married woman, sister in law of the owner lady, who never does oil massages, let alone on a totally naked man. No problem, she carried on. Heck, I figure if they really don't want to see a naked man, they will cover me up again with the towel.

Kinda tired of the few go-go bars and massage joints...i'm curious about the karaoke places in town.

I always figured karaoke place as a Thai thing, group outing, or a place to mix business w/pleasure on the companies dime.

Anyone ever go to karaoke places solo? What if I just wanted to go in for a beer and just relax and check out the gals, is it going to cost me a $$$ to just sit down and have a beer? Would that be considered bad etiquette?

It seems like more and more karaoke joints are opening up along ChangKlan Rd with extremely pretty gals. What used to be karaoke central, along ChiangMaiLand is becoming deserted with just a few not-so-pretty gals outside eating their dinners. Not appealing.

Any info and reports would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]So how was it?[/QUOTE]Tried Evita again. This time got a funky gal (kinda artsy-fartsy looking). Massage was mediocre and towards the end she mentioned 'sexy massage' was available for 1500 baht. I asked what that was exactly and she said body-to-body massage. She wasn't my type so I declined.

After the massage she indicted she was all finished then hesitated and said there was still 5 minutes left to do more 'massage' wherever i liked. This ended up was a jackhammer-style hj for 400. Totally lame. Too much haggling, no class.

She then wanted me to be all discreet as if she would get in trouble by the owner if caught. If this is so, not sure how a 'sexy massage' would be handled since there's only a curtain for a door.

[QUOTE=Hot Wax]Kinda tired of the few go-go bars and massage joints...i'm curious about the karaoke places in town.

I always figured karaoke place as a Thai thing, group outing, or a place to mix business w/pleasure on the companies dime.

Anyone ever go to karaoke places solo? What if I just wanted to go in for a beer and just relax and check out the gals, is it going to cost me a $$$ to just sit down and have a beer? Would that be considered bad etiquette?

It seems like more and more karaoke joints are opening up along ChangKlan Rd with extremely pretty gals. What used to be karaoke central, along ChiangMaiLand is becoming deserted with just a few not-so-pretty gals outside eating their dinners. Not appealing.

Any info and reports would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]

I think, for me at least, going to the karaokes with friends is a lot more fun.
Last yr for my birthday we went to the one tucked behind the Soi opp Linda Soapy. Also behind the Viet restaurant. (can't remeber the name offhand). About 20 yings in a row as you walk in and you take your pick. And yes, that is how they make money, by charging by the hour or 1/2 hr to sit with you. Things can add up quickly with every minute spent, mixer charge, ice charge, mamasan charge :-(, etc, etc..
Used to go to CM Land Rd all the time. Went a few times alone. Just not the same without mates. Been to a few around the ring rd. Pretty quiet and you had better speak passat thai. Imho the yings are not so pretty

Discovered this new place recently.

Brought there with a group of local friends to hang out for some fun.

It is a night entertainment spot for the local youngsters call Santitham Plaza.

Located North of the city moat probably a bit to the northwest.

Did not see foreigners there which there are about 10 or so pubs to drink and listen to music.

Went into one of the karaoke bar, do not remember the name.

Around 10+ girls inside, you can either choose one you like or let the mamasan select one for you.

They do charge lady drink for accompanying you; but if you negotiate and go for the action straight away it may be just pay for your own drink.

My host paid for everything as one stop service; every inclusive for me so I do not know how much is for the girl.

I chose a girl of my choice and was quickly sent away for the action.

Motocycle waiting outside, I sandwitched my girl with the moto driver; and off we went to the ST hotel nearby.

Quite good service after showering, bbj and then the action which we both enjoyed. My girl was from Chiangrai and I tipped her 200 Baht.

After waiting for awhile the tuk tuk came and we were delivered back to the karaoke to join my group which gradually come back to place.

A good fun to have but you may need locals to bring you there as it does not seem to be frequented by foreigners.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]I think, for me at least, going to the karaokes with friends is a lot more fun.

Last yr for my birthday we went to the one tucked behind the Soi opp Linda Soapy. Also behind the Viet restaurant. (can't remeber the name offhand). About 20 yings in a row as you walk in and you take your pick. And yes, that is how they make money, by charging by the hour or 1/2 hr to sit with you. Things can add up quickly with every minute spent, mixer charge, ice charge, mamasan charge :-(, etc, etc..

Used to go to CM Land Rd all the time. Went a few times alone. Just not the same without mates. Been to a few around the ring rd. Pretty quiet and you had better speak passat thai. Imho the yings are not so pretty[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info. I may give one a try when i've got some xtr baht to spare.

[QUOTE=Saint Jack]Discovered this new place recently.

Brought there with a group of local friends to hang out for some fun.

It is a night entertainment spot for the local youngsters call Santitham Plaza.
[/QUOTE]I've only driven through Santitham Plaza during the day to check out Pan Healthy Spa/Massage cause they advertise that they have suanas. Santitham has a bit of a seedy reputation among locals and told to avoid but that only added to my curiousity. Definitely off the farang radar and cataring towards Thais.

Further down the street I noticed two ST motels where Thais can discreetly park their cars or motorbikes behind a curtain and have a quickie. One place was a fairly large complex and painted green. Anyway, very fascinating that these places exist.

Thanks for the report!

A few days in CM with an average experience. Soyari (or however its spelled) is an ok place, although 4 out of 5 time the girl was more interested on TV and smoking than blowing me. Oh well.

Karaokes: went by myself, and as expected they push for drinks. ST is expensive (2500) so I skipped.

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On Loikhro, there is a plaza with many bars and a kick boxing ring. If you are into billiard and chit chat, thats the place. Rainy season is depressing here, very few birds to catch. Finally found a nice in Happy bar (on the left while facing the ring) for ST at 1500. Ended up average. Guest house gave me shit bringing a girl back. Night bazar, did not see any action there, what are the best times or places? Returning to BKK for real action.

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[QUOTE=BangBangBang]A few days in CM with an average experience. Soyari (or however its spelled) is an ok place, although 4 out of 5 time the girl was more interested on TV and smoking than blowing me. Oh well.

[/QUOTE]

True, Sayuri girls are lazier than the average MP girls in Chiang Mai.

I was in CM last week for a couple of days. Well, this is what happened....
1) BAR GIRLS
I noticed a large turnover in girls from last year, partly for the better. Even though there are LB around they never bothered me. BF is 400B and they usually quote between 1500-2000LT but one can negotiate accordingly.
2)FREELANCERS
These tend to be in discos. Spicy is a good example where it starts to get busy at around 12.30-1.00am. Some of the girls are lovely. You don't need to be pushy or show off. A smile at the right time is all it takes. I took one from there (1500B LT). Very good experience.
3)MP'S
I don't really like the girls at Soyari. There are many small MP's. Next to my hotel one finds Enjoy Massage. As I passed the girls started, "Massageeee?" I stopped and spoke for some time to them. There was one girl who attracted me and told her that I'd be back the next day. True to my word, I returned and she gave me an oily. As usual she asked me whether I wanted a 'happy ending'. I refused, telling her that I'd rather see her after work.
We met at 12.30 and went for a drink at a local disco. Afterwards I took her to my hotel (Lai Thai-goodvalue) and took her LT. She only asked for 500B!!! Yes, gentlemen, there are times when this country truly amazes me. The performance was outstanding and i admit that when I go back to CM, I'll go back there again.

I would like to use the same strategy again...hmmm...even though this is my second trip to LOS, I'm no veteran. What do you guys think?
Taka

I like this bar at the corner of Loi Kroh Road and Rotchasani Road. On a recent visit to Chiang Mai, I spent some of every evening (five of them) there. On the first occasion I smiled at a woman, we sat down at the tables where you look out onto the street and we spent a while chatting while her hand crept under the table and up my shorts and started to stroke my c*ck, only inches from the people passing by on the street. Much to my surprise, it responded vigorously and I knew I would have to ask her to go with me. She made great promises ("I can smo-king") and she did not let herself down. The next evening I found myself in the bar again talking to her and she introduced me to her friend. I noticed how relaxed they were together so I asked to go with both of them - it was a great success because they remained relaxed even at the most intimate moments.

I also played many games of pool in that bar and generally had a great time there. Some of the girls try it on a bit asking for drinks even when you are not really with them but no offence is taken if you say no.

[QUOTE=Takamine1]
I would like to use the same strategy again...hmmm...even though this is my second trip to LOS, I'm no veteran. What do you guys think?
Taka[/QUOTE]

I think you did alot better than some vets. Thanks for the report!

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]I like this bar at the corner of Loi Kroh Road and Rotchasani Road.[/QUOTE]

I like Jammers...great corner location to sit, have a beer and watch the action on Loi Kroh.

[QUOTE=Chedi]I like Jammers...great corner location to sit, have a beer and watch the action on Loi Kroh.[/QUOTE]


For me anyway :-)

Been working away from LOS for 4 months so nice to be back in CM.
Will try to give some updates on goings on around town. Feeling pretty randy after being away so been hitting the places around town hard.

Arrived in BKK and stayed at me usual President Park Hotel/Apts Sukh Soi 24. 4 days of Annies, Cowboy, Patpong, Soi 22 beer bars and Washington Sq. Stayed away from Nana. In the last 5 yrs have not enjoyed it. Went to listen to a friend at Tokoyo Joes's Soi 26. Old location, I think better, but mai bpen rai.

CM in the last 6 days a mix of golf, beer bars, Foxy's last night ( think they upped their drink prices--220Bht for a LD and my drink !?) and some old giegs that still remember me :-)

Let me say CM is DEAD ! I have never seen, in approx 12 yrs, this place so quiet. Poo yings are hurting. But also the talent is down. Most of the good ones you may have to get there early and bar fine early. Hotels are claiming 20% cancellations because of the Thai PM siituation. I can believe it.
Boxing Bars half closed either because of no customers or they just did not make it during slow season. That being said took a Udon 30 yr old out of their last night that was very appreciative of the attention.
Loi Kroy the girls were lined up 5-6 deep trying to vie for anyones attention. Jammers had a couple of oldies but goodies that are potentials for next week. Ba Ba Bo Bo, Lindas, Butterfly by 11PM had hardly any customers. I was offered a 2-some in Butterfly (my regular haunt) for 1000LT a/piece, plus a trip to the talaat (market) for som tom. Going to keep that one in reserve.
Everyday hitting the ST places off Ninnamanheiman Rd. Still grungy. 400-700Bht all in. Bring your own antiseptic :-)
Next week some nuat op naams (soapys) and more reports

i am in chiang mai and staying at the same hotel again : d2 [url]http://www.dusit.com/en/hotels/thailand/chiang_mai/dusitd2/rooms/studio_suite_king.html[/url] . yes the room is expensive but my company pays and my secretary books it so who am i to complain?

as i am arriving late (22h) i am in real need of a massage and the d2’s spa is perfect (no extras) but unfortunately closes at 8pm. as the front office clerk escorts me to the club lounge (where refreshments can be had until midnight) i inquire about the possibility to have a massage at the spa. i know the spa is closed but a hotel like the d2 must have an alternative for clients like me who are in need of a massage late at night, and they do! the receptionist asks me what type of massage i want (2 hours thai massage), what time i would be needing it (as soon as possible) and informs me that a 1,000 thb charge will be directly added to my hotel bill and i had not to worry about paying the provider (i am sure d2 or the receptionist will end up pocketing half that amount).

a quarter of an hour later the reception calls my room to let me know that the therapist has arrived and if it was ok to send him to the room (him???? alarm bells ringing!!!). i might be in the mood for a massage with no extras but being touched by a guy? i sense a cold sweat rolling down my spine but have no time to think because he is already knocking at the door. my heart races as i open the door, ready to negotiate a way where we would all save face and he would be out on his way without touching any parts of my body.
much to my surprise “he” was a little tg, cute as a button and with what seemed to be a huge pair of knockers (big sighs of relief). the lady made her way in the room and must have sensed i was a little overexcited because she asked me “you ok?” (if only she knew lol).

as i am a lot more relaxed now and she can start her massage. she joked about the fact that no one in the shop wanted to come and do the massage because it was already late (23h30) and 2 hours would make them finish very late, they played a game and she lost so she had to come but she was happy because i am a young handsome man (first ego stroking?).

i stripped down to my underwear and she was giving me a very good massage while having the usual conversation (name, from, why in thailand…). i will spare you the details and skip to the end of the massage.
as all thai massages, she finished by doing my head (the big one lol) and then, out of the blue, asked me: “you not like me?”, i was a little surprised by the question, surprised enough to stop and turn to look at her with a puzzled look on my face: “what?” i told her and she was not shy to point directly at my groin “when i massage, you not happy(pointing my dick) so i think you not like me”. well there is was, the good old “extras are available”.

i was not really planning on having any extras (which is why i picked the thai massage) but who was i to deny her the pleasure she was asking for? (yes, financial pleasure that is lol) and, did i say she was cute?

i told her that i liked her, that she is beautiful and has the face of an angel: she playfully hit me while saying “paak wan” (sweet mouth). i looked her right in the eye and told her i was not joking, that i really found her attractive and she jumped on me putting both her hands around my neck, sniffing my cheeks. this is not the first girl who does that sniffing thing and no matter what, i will never get used to it, or its meaning. the hug and sniffing led to light kissed which ultimately finished with a big french kiss session: this girl liked to kiss lol.

we kissed each other on the bed for a long time and she decided to move to the bathroom “i go shower”, to her big surprise, i followed her. she told me she was shy as i insisted we shower together and she did not object but we had to dim the lights a lot.
more kissing in the spacious shower and she complimented me on my erection while we were soaping each other up.

i loved her ample natural chest and very sensitive nipples, i nibbled on those for a fair amount of time and she was already very wet. foreplay was good for her but her blowjob skills were horrible, she just could not open her mouth wide enough so her teeth were hurting my prick.
i put a condom on (mine as she did not bring any) and the sex was good enough for me to want a second round. after round 2 she asked me if she could spend the night because she really liked the room and at this point the reception or security did not seem to remember there was a girl in my room because they did not call to check if all was ok. it was late (or early morning) so i let her sleep with me.

i got up at 8am as i needed to get ready for work, she was on the other hand sound asleep so i did not wake her up. i went to shower, shave and got dressed before waking her up. she smiled at me and understood she had to get going. she quickly got up, brushed her teeth and had the fastest shower ever before coming back to kiss me. she handed me her phone number and asked me to call her at anytime. i handed her 2,000 but she gave it back to me and thanked me for the night, then made me promise to call her. i asked her which shop she was working at but she refused to tell me, she said that if i want to see her i can call her mobile. i knew i had to go back to bangkok so there was no way i could see her again this trip, i told her and handed her the 2,000 to “buy something nice for next time we meet”, she took only 1,000 and promised she would buy a gift for me with it.

i will certainly call this lady again when in cm but i am afraid that after a few encounters, i will get bored and will need to move on to a new pussy.
by the way, no, i am not giving away her number but i am sure she works in one of the spas by the night bazaar because she arrives promptly to the hotel.

during my trip to cm i also tried sayuri again and will report soon (if time permits)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I handed her 2,000 but she gave it back to me... she took only 1,000[/QUOTE]

Well thank goodness one of you knew the correct price of a night of sex in Chiang Mai. Remember, paying less is better than paying more.

About the inadequate BJ - this is normal upcountry. In fact it is more common to get no BJ at all.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Well thank goodness one of you knew the correct price of a night of sex in Chiang Mai. Remember, paying less is better than paying more.[/QUOTE]

Well, I only gave what I thought was fair. Price was not discussed and she did not ask me for any money (she actually refused it).

Sorry, I did not mean to kill the market.

Hey, NicFrenchy, I'll give you 2000 baht for her phone number. Well, OK, be that way. Anyway, enjoyed your story.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]This is not the first girl who does that sniffing thing and no matter what, I will never get used to it, or its meaning.[/QUOTE]

I never understood the sniffing thing either. It seems the younger and more handsome the more likely they do it (as a pre-French Kiss act). Must be a Thai-only thing....

[quote=rguy89]i never understood the sniffing thing either. it seems the younger and more handsome the more likely they do it (as a pre-french kiss act). must be a thai-only thing....[/quote]

i found this quote in speedguide.net and it was posted by someone named "joint chiefs of staff."

" a thai kiss: a learning experience

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there is nothing like a thai kiss....

a thai kiss is something cultural taught to thai women over generations in thailand. when you kiss a woman most westerners expect the lip and tongue action and will be disappointed that the girl did not deliver when in fact she did by thai standards.

what most don't know is how erotic her kiss is when she does it thai style. if a woman kisses you thai style it means she "really " likes you and is indeed aroused. this is a rarity i was told when i arrived but i was fortunate to experience it most days and nights in thailand.

a thai kiss is when a woman barely presses her lips to an area of the face and sniffs deeply and exhaling on the same area or moves her lips to another area. around the eyes and nose area is very hard to take. lol

see, thai's are buddhist and the head area is considered the most sacred part of the body. if a woman does not know you, a simple kiss on the cheek or touching her hair is a big no-no. they can lose face with other thai's if they are present and witness this. hence they will run to the nearest buddhist temple or budda monument and pray and pray hard....no lie.

it works the same way with the feet. if you go to give a woman a foot massage (in public) the feet are considered dirty and the lowest point of the body. i tried once at a bar by just playing around and i was politely told by the woman, "no" and then she explained why. she and the others knew it was my first trip to thailand and no harm was done and more drinks were ordered. it explains why women while taking showers spend about 5 minutes washing the feet area.

so basically, you can hold hands in public and nuzzle but to save there "face" respect the religion and the buddhist culture. save it all for the bedroom where anything goes and you can get your traditional western "kiss". "s

[quote=oosik1]i found this quote in speedguide.net and it was posted by someone named "joint chiefs of staff."

" a thai kiss: a learning experience

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

there is nothing like a thai kiss....

a thai kiss is something cultural taught to thai women over generations in thailand. when you kiss a woman most westerners expect the lip and tongue action and will be disappointed that the girl did not deliver when in fact she did by thai standards.

what most don't know is how erotic her kiss is when she does it thai style. if a woman kisses you thai style it means she "really " likes you and is indeed aroused. this is a rarity i was told when i arrived but i was fortunate to experience it most days and nights in thailand.

a thai kiss is when a woman barely presses her lips to an area of the face and sniffs deeply and exhaling on the same area or moves her lips to another area. around the eyes and nose area is very hard to take. lol

see, thai's are buddhist and the head area is considered the most sacred part of the body. if a woman does not know you, a simple kiss on the cheek or touching her hair is a big no-no. they can lose face with other thai's if they are present and witness this. hence they will run to the nearest buddhist temple or budda monument and pray and pray hard....no lie.

it works the same way with the feet. if you go to give a woman a foot massage (in public) the feet are considered dirty and the lowest point of the body. i tried once at a bar by just playing around and i was politely told by the woman, "no" and then she explained why. she and the others knew it was my first trip to thailand and no harm was done and more drinks were ordered. it explains why women while taking showers spend about 5 minutes washing the feet area.

so basically, you can hold hands in public and nuzzle but to save there "face" respect the religion and the buddhist culture. save it all for the bedroom where anything goes and you can get your traditional western "kiss". "s[/quote]

excellent find !

never knew the origination. now if we can only teach most of them a good bj


gig

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]Excellent find !

Never knew the origination. [b]Now if we can only teach most of them a good bj[/b]
[/QUOTE]

Priceless :D

[QUOTE=Oosik1]

There is nothing like a Thai Kiss....


A Thai kiss is when a woman barely presses her lips to an area of the face and sniffs deeply and exhaling on the same area or moves her lips to another area. [/QUOTE]

That's what my dog does......she must love me!!

Does anyone know of a place to buy sex toys like vibrators, dildos etc in Chiangmai?

PLease send PM to keep info from BIB

thanks

Hello guys,

I'm trying to get more info on CM. Well. Where is the best place to stay/hotels where its near all the action? Budget maybe from 700-900 baht per night? Where does most of the Uni ladies hang out? I love the ladies young and fair skinned as I know cause of the cool whether in CM most of the ladies there tend to be more fair than fellow bangkokkians.

I heard that CM people rarely speaks English. Is tour guide necessary?

Is Chiang Mai far from Chiang Rai? Where could I get a bus from CM. CR? How long is the ride?

Regards

I think you may have talked with the wrong source of information about CM. The "action" to which you refer is not well defined, but I will assume you mean the bargirls, massage, discos, young crowd type action. The action in CM is all over the city, but it takes time, money and effort to discover where these places are. Oh, there are plenty of bars with girls on Loi Kroh Rd, but then there are even better bars with girls away from Loi Kroh Rd. There are several soapy massage parlors. Some east of the river, and some south of the walled city, and some west. Like the Phucome Hotel. Hotels can be found almost any where you look. At all price levels. You didn't say how long you would be there, but if you are only going to be there a few days, I would suggest you stay at one of several hotels on or near Loi Kroh. My favorite bar is on Loi Kroh, Soi #1. The Number One Bar. I like the girls there, and the atmosphere. Not pushy, and not all of the girls are interesting in returning to you hotel with you. They just want some money to send home to Mama and her baby, but they are good looking young ladies, and friendly. As far as Uni girls are concerned, there are, I don't know, about 3 or 4 universities in CM. The largest being Chiang Mai University, and it is located near Nimmenhaeman Rd, which is also a noted area for Uni girls to hang out at bars. And the many restaurants. ***** houses (3) on Soi 11 or 13 (can't remembered exactly) off of Nimmenhaeman Rd. Look back in the older entries in this thread and you will find entries discussing these 3 places. I don't spend much money or time with bar girls, because I find it more challenging and rewarding to meet and date regular working girls. Or uni-girls. It is very easy to do so IF you are a gentleman and can speak a little Thai. Doesn't have to be much either, just the hello, goodbye, sorry, good luck, and where is the toilet type terms. Oh, and PLEASE read and follow the DO's and DON'TS about Thai culture and good manners. PLEASE! Oh, one last thing. Thai women are almost fanatics when it comes to cleanliness. For themselves and you.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]I think you may have talked with the wrong source of information about CM. The "action" to which you refer is not well defined, but I will assume you mean the bargirls, massage, discos, young crowd type action. The action in CM is all over the city, but it takes time, money and effort to discover where these places are. Oh, there are plenty of bars with girls on Loi Kroh Rd, but then there are even better bars with girls away from Loi Kroh Rd. There are several soapy massage parlors. Some east of the river, and some south of the walled city, and some west. Like the Phucome Hotel. Hotels can be found almost any where you look. At all price levels. You didn't say how long you would be there, but if you are only going to be there a few days, I would suggest you stay at one of several hotels on or near Loi Kroh. My favorite bar is on Loi Kroh, Soi #1. The Number One Bar. I like the girls there, and the atmosphere. Not pushy, and not all of the girls are interesting in returning to you hotel with you. They just want some money to send home to Mama and her baby, but they are good looking young ladies, and friendly. As far as Uni girls are concerned, there are, I don't know, about 3 or 4 universities in CM. The largest being Chiang Mai University, and it is located near Nimmenhaeman Rd, which is also a noted area for Uni girls to hang out at bars. And the many restaurants. ***** houses (3) on Soi 11 or 13 (can't remembered exactly) off of Nimmenhaeman Rd. Look back in the older entries in this thread and you will find entries discussing these 3 places. I don't spend much money or time with bar girls, because I find it more challenging and rewarding to meet and date regular working girls. Or uni-girls. It is very easy to do so IF you are a gentleman and can speak a little Thai. Doesn't have to be much either, just the hello, goodbye, sorry, good luck, and where is the toilet type terms. Oh, and PLEASE read and follow the DO's and DON'TS about Thai culture and good manners. PLEASE! Oh, one last thing. Thai women are almost fanatics when it comes to cleanliness. For themselves and you. [/QUOTE]Thank you for your info.

Well I'm looking at more specific areas. Which hotel you recommend at loi kroh road? 700--900baht? Well value for money that is and it won't be a turn off for ladies. LOL. Thats most important. Well for me I will try not to pay for girls. As its more of a turn on for me on working ladies/ educated ones or even celebrities. I do not mind not bringing them back to my hotels. The thing is I want to get to know them and invest slightly. Hopefully one day I could bring them back. LOL. Investment upfront is not a problem.

Now you mentioned on the Chiang mai university at Nimenhaeman RD. Where does this uni ladies hang out. Around that road or is there any specific places they go to? Do you know any models that is not for hire but just looking for a good time in dinners or companionship getting to know new people?

As for understanding thai women I think I'm ok as I'm from Malaysia. LOL. Had a thai gf for more than 1 year. LOL

P/s I also heard that chiang mai is quite cold as well. Do I need to bring a jumper. LOL. I'm quite afraid of cold. LOL.

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hello guys,

I'm trying to get more info on CM. Well. Where is the best place to stay/hotels where its near all the action? Budget maybe from 700-900 baht per night? Where does most of the Uni ladies hang out? I love the ladies young and fair skinned as I know cause of the cool whether in CM most of the ladies there tend to be more fair than fellow bangkokkians.

I heard that CM people rarely speaks English. Is tour guide necessary?

Is Chiang Mai far from Chiang Rai? Where could I get a bus from CM. CR? How long is the ride?

Regards[/QUOTE]

As the other poster answered some of your questions I'll attempt the last 2

CM ppl do speak English. Lots of it. Being a Uni town many ppl speak many foreign languages and are happy to try them

CM to CR about 3 hrs by VIP bus. Other cheaper buses a little longer because of more stops. Catch the bus station off the SuperHighway & Narawat RD (or hwy 1019)

Hi Guys,

I am going to be in CM next week for a couple of days. Can you pls indicate some good places for Soapy Massages.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ohio29]Hi Guys,

I am going to be in CM next week for a couple of days. Can you pls indicate some good places for Soapy Massages.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

A good place to start would be MickLicker's google map of CM...

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url]

Sayuri's is a popular CM soapy.

New massage shop opening in Chiangmai: Anzu Fashion Massage: MAybe an AKANE style massage?

Attached are pics I took in front of the place a few days ago
place looked deserted (both day and night) so I am not sure if they are going to open soon but it looks like they are not far from being ready.

I went to Pandora (Chiang Mai Soapy) and they have changed their prices:

All sessions are 90mns

Regular Girl: 1,500
B Girl : 1,800
S Girl : 2,100
M Girl : 2,500

Most "B", "S" and the 2 "M" Girls are part time and do not show up until 20:00 or 21:00, the rest are full time and start at 15:00

The fishbowl closes at 24:00 however, after that time the girls move into the Waiting room. the waiting room closes at 4am so those wanting late late night action can still go to Pandora.

I am not sure which girls stay until 4am but Papasan assured me that a handful always stay very late.

[QUOTE=Chedi]A good place to start would be MickLicker's google map of CM...

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url]

Sayuri's is a popular CM soapy.[/QUOTE]
Beware the Map has no ratings.
Some places may be good or bad.
Research this Chiangmai thread to find where someone had a good time.

For Pandora's Location, check Mick's map [url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.791999,98.986688&spn=0.056798,0.090294&z=14[/url]

I went to Pandora at around 18:00 and was greeted by the usual Papasan. He told me (he knows my taste) that the models only come at 8pm and that I could come back.

I decided to sit and have a drink, watching the girls interact in the Fishbowl. First thing: they can see you.
Many of them will leave the FB and come into the waiting room (where the customers are) to get a better look at you or to make sure you see her up close.
I was not very interested in the girls yet but more at the White board in the middle, outside of the FB, the Papasan's White board.
I invited him to sit down, offered him a drink (he declined) and asked him about the board. He said that the numbers on the board are the girls who did not have a customer yet (interesting).

By that time a Thai man walked in and picked a girl right away (s1 if my memory serves me right) and sure enough, once they were gone, Papa wiped her number out of the board.
This is his cheat-sheet to see which girls he can push because all girls he recommended had their numbers on the board.

He recommended number 29, he said she is very good at take care and take her time, no rushing.
She wasn't my type but for the sake of seeing if Papa was right, I picked her.

Up the room we went and she was all business, starting the bath and telling me what to do (she sounded like we were married for 15 years) LOL.
She cleaned me up in the tub (hot water was available) and we moved on to the bed: she started by licking my nipples and working her way down. She gave me a good CBJ with a lot of balls licking and swallowing. When I wanted to return the favor, she was a little reluctant but let me work my way down anyway.
She refused digits, analingus and clit stimulation so it was a little difficult but eventually, after a little time massaging her pussy (and letting the blood flow) she became a lot more relaxed, so relaxed in fact that she let go completely and I was free to do whatever I pleased.
G-spot massage, clit licking and sucking but she really lost it when I started playing with her asshole. She got up, breathing heavily and ordered me to fuck her NOW!
Unfortunately, I was not as "hard" anymore and had trouble entereing her pussy. She looked at me with angry eyes, removed the condom and started a very pleasant BBBJ, "I want to finish with sex" she tells me, sucking faster and faster until I was rock hard again.
Problem is, she used her condom so had to go out to grab another one.
Sex was ok, she wasn't very energetic and I think she was just there to pleasure herself rather than trying to pleasure me. Once she "came", she kept asking me if I was finished... (so much for the papasan's comment of "she take her time").

All in all it was not bad but I had much better.

Damage: 1500 to Pandora
Tip: 500
Drink: 30

There are a lot of them in CM and they have some very pretty girls.

How exactly do these places work? does anyone have an idea?
I wanted to try one but as I do not know the MO, I was affraid of getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]New massage shop opening in Chiangmai: Anzu Fashion Massage: MAybe an AKANE style massage?

Attached are pics I took in front of the place a few days ago
place looked deserted (both day and night) so I am not sure if they are going to open soon but it looks like they are not far from being ready.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Where on ChangKlan Rd is this? I live n that area and will keep an eye on it and report.

thanks

[QUOTE=Farmboy5]Interesting. Where on ChangKlan Rd is this? I live n that area and will keep an eye on it and report.

thanks[/QUOTE]

It's a little after the Hospital... on the same street side

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It's a little after the Hospital... on the same street side[/QUOTE]


I walked by tonight about 8:00. Place is definitely not open. It was dark so I could not determine if it has been open before and is now closed or is getting ready to open.

Will check back in a week or so and see.

[QUOTE=Farmboy5]I walked by tonight about 8:00. Place is definitely not open. It was dark so I could not determine if it has been open before and is now closed or is getting ready to open.

Will check back in a week or so and see.[/QUOTE]

It's been like that for over a month now so I guess they are running into some problems before opening. Maybe they are waiting for November (high season) to open.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It's been like that for over a month now so I guess they are running into some problems before opening. Maybe they are waiting for November (high season) to open.[/QUOTE]

I walked by today going to lunch and looked in the door.

Without going into details. I think the place is something that "has been" and not something that "will be"

[QUOTE=Farmboy5]I walked by today going to lunch and looked in the door.

Without going into details. I think the place is something that "has been" and not something that "will be"[/QUOTE]

They have never opened, so can't be "has been"

I will be visiting Chiang Mai this Friday, the 24th of October until Saturday, the 1st of November.

Would appreciate "hooking up" with expats or any other visitors in Chiang Mai during this week who would wish to do so.

I am told I am good company and we could share a laugh or two or more!

Just PM me with contact info(will carry a Thai mobile phone).

Thank you!

Just saw a new place open up -- It's right on a major road (Hang Dong road).

It's called "Top Model" with a BIG sign with girls on it. Does anyone have info on it? Is it a Karaoke? or an MP? or both?

Seems like a new soapy hasn't opened up in a generation in Chiang Mai.

I wanted to give O.T. another chance. One of the most depressing places in chiang Mai. Was greeted by a pack of stray dogs who would not let me in. Now it is 500 Baht for only 1 1/2 hours. I selected No. 20, one of the not too chubby, ugly or old masseuses for oil. She watched TV all the time and made movements, as if she was cleaning the massage table, obviously forgetting there was a man under her hands. Zero massage skills. So I had no problem resisting her offer for HJ at 500 Baht and I left with the intention never to return to this dirty place again.

[QUOTE=Tiger43]I wanted to give O.T. another chance. One of the most depressing places in chiang Mai. Was greeted by a pack of stray dogs who would not let me in. Now it is 500 Baht for only 1 1/2 hours. I selected No. 20, one of the not too chubby, ugly or old masseuses for oil. She watched TV all the time and made movements, as if she was cleaning the massage table, obviously forgetting there was a man under her hands. Zero massage skills. So I had no problem resisting her offer for HJ at 500 Baht and I left with the intention never to return to this dirty place again.[/QUOTE]

What's OT?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]What's OT?[/QUOTE]

OT Massage is next to Pandora's. It's a dirty oil massage place with a HJ happy ending. OT occupies what appears to be an old hotel. As far as my experience there, the place is pretty depressing and not in a fun, seedy way.

There are better options in Chiang Mai but give it a try if you must satisfy your curiousity. I'm surprised you haven't already NicFrenchy. ;-)

[QUOTE=Chedi]OT Massage is next to Pandora's. It's a dirty oil massage place with a HJ happy ending. OT occupies what appears to be an old hotel. As far as my experience there, the place is pretty depressing and not in a fun, seedy way.

There are better options in Chiang Mai but give it a try if you must satisfy your curiousity. I'm surprised you haven't already NicFrenchy. ;-)[/QUOTE]

Chedi,

Thanks a lot for your help :)

I have been to Pandora many times but have never even realised there was another Massage joint nearby.
The hotel, is it the Russian bunker looking building? across from Pandora? in the street going to Sayuri?
or in the Alley going back to the main road?

I will try it next time

[QUOTE=Chedi]OT Massage is next to Pandora's. It's a dirty oil massage place with a HJ happy ending. OT occupies what appears to be an old hotel. As far as my experience there, the place is pretty depressing and not in a fun, seedy way.

There are better options in Chiang Mai but give it a try if you must satisfy your curiousity. I'm surprised you haven't already NicFrenchy. ;-)[/QUOTE]
OT Massage is marked on this map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.788779,99.012362&spn=0.00708,0.009388&z=17[/url]

Is it in the right place?

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]OT Massage is marked on this map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.788779,99.012362&spn=0.00708,0.009388&z=17[/url]

Is it in the right place?[/QUOTE]

Looks like it... but everytime I pass by, it looks like this Shabby hotel is not open

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]OT Massage is marked on this map:
[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044b4af742827802715&ll=18.788779,99.012362&spn=0.00708,0.009388&z=17[/url]

Is it in the right place?[/QUOTE]

Yup, that's OT.

If you're driving in, you can take a left into their big lot to park. Walk up the walkway between the trees, enter the empty hotel lobby and up the stairs to a small fishbowl.

It's been a long time since i've stepped inside so not sure of the selection these days. However, tigers report sounds about right.

I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is a soapy, which can be found near the ground floor parking. The charge was 1800 for 90 minutes, not sure if 500 was added as tuk tuk driver took me to door. The area inside is like Pandoras fishbowl. I went pretty late and girls were average. Rooms were large and clean. I also visited Pandoras a couple of days ago and was not too bad. Did not get a chance to visit Sayuri. Oh well off to Krabi tomorrow where a new adventure begins!

[QUOTE=Djkingraja]I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is a soapy, which can be found near the ground floor parking. The charge was 1800 for 90 minutes, not sure if 500 was added as tuk tuk driver took me to door. The area inside is like Pandoras fishbowl. I went pretty late and girls were average. Rooms were large and clean. I also visited Pandoras a couple of days ago and was not too bad. Did not get a chance to visit Sayuri. Oh well off to Krabi tomorrow where a new adventure begins![/QUOTE]Normal price is 1200 baht for an hour and a half. One hour is 1000 baht. Sometimes you find a gem here, but I really prefer Sayuri. It has a much larger selection.

[QUOTE=MadMax1]I am going to be making my 3rd trip to LOS in mid December, and in my previous trips I have visited BKK and Pattaya, and understad the P4P scene quite well.

This year, I want to explore other parts of Thailand and one place I have heard and read about a lot is Chiang Mai.

I am wondering is anyone can please help and recommend any hotels and places of interest in Chaing Mai. Also a summary of the P4P scene will also be appreciated

I have read the Chaing Mai forum, but there is so much information, that I am getting confused and my head is spinning.

Thanks,

Max[/QUOTE]

Max
Search is ur friend :-)

Just a quick look at all the pages here and I found lots of info. You have a specific question I am sure we can help. But summarizing all the info for you ??
We have no idea of ur budget, tastes, age, etc., etc..

Greed

I just spent 10 days in CM, unfortunately accompanied by She Who Must be Obeyed. Pretty much precluded any serious fun. General observations.

I stayed ay the Bau Tong lodge, a small, almost new guest house in Soi 3, Loi Kroh road. 700 per night for the largest room. It is large, very clean, everything works, and the downstairs area is set out like a large lounge room. Very comfortable. Has wifi in the lobby, and also worked in the room. Soi 3 is quiet, and almost in the middle of everything. And it has a small, pleasant bar attached.

Good value taxi driver, Mr Thai, metered taxi #44. Phone 083 152 8506. He will meet you anywhere, any time, and scrupulously honest with the meter. I hired him all day for 600 TBH. He took us to the elephant park, and showed us round. This was much cheaper than the tour groups who charge 750 TBH per head for the same service. He also took us to specialist stores which pay him 200 TBH to bring a customer. He cut the fare by 100 TBH for each place visited.

There is a small, ornate bridge over the creek on Loi Kroh road. On the east side of the bridge is a small group of businesses. The end one nearest the bridge is a small massage parlour. SWMBO wanted a massage, so we stopped in. Only two masseuses, one older, one younger. I got the older one, and took an oily for 2 hours at 200 TBH per hour. She gave a good massage, and during it, included a nice balls massage, and a very proficient hj thrown in. Before she started, she put her finger to her lips to stay quiet while she handed me off, with SWMBO in the next cubicle. I tipped 100 TBH. We went back a few times for repeat action.

I stopped in to check the Foxy Lady bar one evening when SWMBO wanted to stay in the room one evening. It is a nice, conventional girlie bar, with about 6 girls dancing at any time. Wore small g strings, small bras. Generally, the girls were small, slim, young and gorgeous. I struck up a conversation with a pom sitting close by. He lives in CM, married to a Thai. This was his night out. I looked round and noted that all of the customers there were sitting alone - there was no effort by the girls to approach the customers. For a giggle, I took a 100 TBH note, folded it, and offered it to the best looking of the dancers, on the condition that I put it down the front of her panties, under her crutch. She giggled, and squatted down so I could get my hand down her front. The softest **** imaginable, very soft silky hair. She giggled, and the girls stared. Later when she finished her dance routine, she came over and joined us. Sat between us, absolutely stunning. It looked like she recognised my mate there. I was about to leave, so I took another 50 TBH note and offered it in the same condition. She turned sideways so her **** was facing my mate. Opened her legs wide, pulled down her bra top to show perfect tits. Then I opened up her panties, showed her perfect ****, he was staring, I tucked the note under her ****, all of us laughing, she giggling. But pleased to get the money. He bought her a drink, I took off. Very nice. The mamasan said the barfine was 400 TBH, girls expect 2000 TBH LT. But I did not try to test the price with the girl.

Hey, Gangles. Great report........good writing style....vivid descriptions. Haven't tried that massage place yet, but maybe next time. By the way, way at the other end of Loi Khoh toward the river, there is a massage place on the right side with girls sitting out front. It is beyond the intersection where McDonalds is. My advice is to avoid that place. The guy who runs it is crooked as a snake.

I will recomend you stay at Porn Ping Tower hotel, or the Suriwongse hotel. Both very near the Night market.¨ You could have a very nice room for about 1200 thb.

I have found that the [url]www.directrooms.com[/url] are the cheapest way to book in Chiang mai.

Chiang mai is a very lovely town. Dont expect something like Pattaya when it comes to action, but you can easily pick a real GEM in Chiang mai.

I would say I had some of my very best experiences in CMI.

I tried to PM you, but not possible. I could give you a lot of info on the city, because I used to live there, but I just dont know what you want to know. Just PM me if you want to know more.

Have a nice stay.

Ken.

[QUOTE=MadMax1]I am going to be making my 3rd trip to LOS in mid December, and in my previous trips I have visited BKK and Pattaya, and understad the P4P scene quite well.

This year, I want to explore other parts of Thailand and one place I have heard and read about a lot is Chiang Mai.

I am wondering is anyone can please help and recommend any hotels and places of interest in Chaing Mai. Also a summary of the P4P scene will also be appreciated

I have read the Chaing Mai forum, but there is so much information, that I am getting confused and my head is spinning.

Thanks,

Max[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gangles]I just spent 10 days in CM, unfortunately accompanied by She Who Must be Obeyed.

There is a small, ornate bridge over the creek on Loi Kroh road. On the east side of the bridge is a small group of businesses. The end one nearest the bridge is a small massage parlour. I tipped 100 TBH. We went back a few times for repeat action. girl.[/QUOTE]Love the way you phrase " SWMBO " as your travel partner, haven’t been in CMI for 3 years and I (we) will be back within a few weeks and have to orientate again on the action spots and MP’s, I will stuck in a similar situation as you, mine likes good massage but will not go to MP’s where girls sitting outside asking you to come in and where it is not perfectly clean, how was this place, 200Thb sounds not like average class? , nice or only so-so, massage OK? Do you have a name on it? I always look for average massage places with single cubicle to avoid couple rooms and with a chance for options, will stay maybe in the Imperial Mai Ping, is that nearby?

Thanks,

John

[QUOTE=Oosik1]Hey, Gangles. Great report........good writing style....vivid descriptions. Haven't tried that massage place yet, but maybe next time. By the way, way at the other end of Loi Khoh toward the river, there is a massage place on the right side with girls sitting out front. It is beyond the intersection where McDonalds is. My advice is to avoid that place. The guy who runs it is crooked as a snake.[/QUOTE]

Is there only one McDs in Chaingmai? I am familiar witht the one near the night market and across from a Thai bank.

[QUOTE=Vinny_Viagra]Is there only one McDs in Chaingmai? I am familiar witht the one near the night market and across from a Thai bank.[/QUOTE]

There is only one McD's in the Night Bazaar area off Loi Kroh Rd and across from the new Burger King. The other McD's in CM I am aware of is inside the Carrefour shopping complex off the SuperHwy.

The massage place I think Oosik1 is referring to is or is next to the Thristy Beaver. I've ridden by many times but have never had an interest.

[QUOTE=Chedi]The massage place I think Oosik1 is referring to is or is next to the Thristy Beaver. I've ridden by many times but have never had an interest.[/QUOTE]

Avoid this place, girls are very ugly and offer very poor service

Hello,

Does anyone able to provide some guide on Massage parlour which provide handjob only(not the soapy type). Please mention a few parlour name with young chic. I will be there somewhere mid of the Dec 08 but don't know whether CM will be have curfew by that time.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Beggang]Hello,

Does anyone able to provide some guide on Massage parlour which provide handjob only(not the soapy type). Please mention a few parlour name with young chic. I will be there somewhere mid of the Dec 08 but don't know whether CM will be have curfew by that time.

Thanks[/QUOTE]There are only two places where you will find good looking girls + guaranteed will get a HJ, Relax Express. There is one across the Imperial Mae Ping and one under the Chinese hotel Duangtawan. Which is the very same business, but inflated prices. Fun place, I once managed to go all the way, interesting experience with other people in the same room exciting would be a proper description

[QUOTE=Chedi]There is only one McD's in the Night Bazaar area off Loi Kroh Rd and across from the new Burger King. The other McD's in CM I am aware of is inside the Carrefour shopping complex off the SuperHwy.

The massage place I think Oosik1 is referring to is or is next to the Thristy Beaver. I've ridden by many times but have never had an interest.[/QUOTE]Yes, Chedi, I do believe you know the place. I think the Thirsty Beaver is across the street from this ripoff massage place. The owner reeks of dasturdly deeds.

Hello,

Could anyone tell me if the montrara happy house is a girl-friendly one? Because i will be stuck in Chiang Mai for some time waiting for a flight to BKK. It is a nice city but don't wanna spend to much time there. Bye bye, Frits

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter]Hello,

Could anyone tell me if the montrara happy house is a girl-friendly one? Because i will be stuck in Chiang Mai for some time waiting for a flight to BKK. It is a nice city but don't wanna spend to much time there. Bye bye, Frits[/QUOTE]


Had a friend stay there in Sept for 2 weeks. No prob for him to bring back a different girl most nights.
If this place gets any slower the hotel owners, or managers, will be happy to invite in all your guests who ever they may be !!

Hello,

Thank you. I will make a booking right now. I hope it will indeed be a real happy house.

Thanks again,

Frits

I have been researching the chiang mai thread and would like some up dated information if anyone has the time. There is some info but it doesn't seem like a lot. Possible area's to go and go-go's that might be good. Anything else that people feel is important.

Will report back to the forum after returning in Feb.

Thanks,

Mackin

After the grueling bus ride form Vientiane I made it to Chiang Mai but it was only 8 AM and they didn’t have a room ready so with my notes in hand, thanks to everyone who post on here, I headed out to get the lay of the land. I’m staying at the Royal Lanna on Loi Khro so it was just a walk up the street to find Ba Ba Bo Bo, Jammers, Lindas and Butterfly all right there together at the end of the street by the moat. There’s several other bars right there too and more all along the road but I didn’t recognize any of their names from here.

That night I made Ba Ba Bo Bo my first stop, there was nobody in the place except two guys and a girl, they were backpackers, and so I left. Walked by the others a couple of times sizing thing up and decided that Lindas looked like it had the most talent so I went in. Strange thing was that while there were about 10 girls and only a few guys these guys had all of the girls with them, some had 2 girls and one guy had three girls sitting with him. After about an hour I left, checked out the others again, they were dead so I headed back down the street to see what else I could find.

I came to a place, with a Mike’s Burger place in front, that looked like it had a lot of bars in it so I walked up and down a couple of times to check it out. They all had women outside trying to get you to come in for a drink, some places were busy, others weren’t and the quality of women I would say ran from 4 to 6 with a few 7’s in there too. Finally I picked one, I don’t know why this one, and went inside and ordered a Coke. Soon a lady, I’ll call her #1, came and sat down, we chatted and she seemed nice, she asked if I’d buy her a drink so I did. We started playing this game with a big stack of wooden blocks that you take turns removing one until it falls, she asked for another drink, sure, then she said she had to go to the bathroom and would be right back. When she returned she had a friend with her, a very cute and sexy friend, I’ll call her #2, who sat next to me, can I buy her a drink, sure, we played the game some more and then #1 said she would be back. #2 was so darn cute and had a great body, she had her hands all over me while we were playing that game, could I buy her another drink, sure, then #1 came back and was playing the game with us, could I buy her a drink, sure. Then #1 asked if I wanted to take #2 out with me, sure, I’m told it’s 400 BF, I ask how much for #2 and told ST 2000, I ask how long ST is, until you finish, wait that could be only 5 minutes, yes and then she will leave, well how much is LT, she will stay until 6 AM and if she stays longer it will be more. What? I tell them that it’s too much and I’m going to go now, they come down to 1500 ST but don’t budge on the LT, I tell them no thanks and ask for my bill, #1 talks to #2 asking her if she she’ll go down any more, she wouldn’t. My bill arrives and I discover that I’ve bought 3 lady drinks at 130 each, 2 lady drinks at 90 each and my Coke for 60 for a total of 720 Baht! I have a talk with the bartender, he shows me the pricelist, I pay the damn thing, I tell #1 and #2 that they are liars and cheats and leave. Lesson learned, be careful and don’t get sucked into buying drinks for the girls in this place.

Well while I was bad at them, and myself, #2 sure got me revved up so I headed back up the street, things looked like the same set-up so I decided I’d just head back to my hotel. Just as I passed that place again there were 3 girls standing on the sidewalk saying hi and asking where I was going, I tell them to my hotel, they all say they want to come with me, I say OK, they have a little fight over who will go and one come over to me, I ask how much, just pay the bar 400, how much do you want, up to you, no really how much do you want, she says 1500 for all night, I tell her you said it’s up to me so I’ll give you 1200 and if I’m happy I’ll tip you 300, she said she didn’t care about the money and again she says it’s up to you. She’s not too bad looking and she’s got spunk so we make the deal, I pay the BF and we walk to my hotel. She turned out to be a firecracker in bed! In the morning we had breakfast together then back to the room and session number four. She wanted to go shopping but I told her I had plans and couldn’t. She asked if I would get her again tonight, I said I would and she was very happy to hear that. She sure earned the tip so I gave her the 1500 it was worth twice that. Her name was Da and she works at the 69 Bar.

Mike

Good report and this helps me out. Don't stop there, keep us informed.

I realize you might not have seen my request just before your report but this is just what I would like.

Thanks,

Mackin

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]After the grueling bus ride form Vientiane I made it to Chiang Mai but it was only 8 AM and they didn’t have a room ready so with my notes in hand, thanks to everyone who post on here, I headed out to get the lay of the land. I’m staying at the Royal Lanna on Loi Khro so it was just a walk up the street to find Ba Ba Bo Bo, Jammers, Lindas and Butterfly all right there together at the end of the street by the moat. There’s several other bars right there too and more all along the road but I didn’t recognize any of their names from here.

That night I made Ba Ba Bo Bo my first stop, there was nobody in the place except two guys and a girl, they were backpackers, and so I left. Walked by the others a couple of times sizing thing up and decided that Lindas looked like it had the most talent so I went in. Strange thing was that while there were about 10 girls and only a few guys these guys had all of the girls with them, some had 2 girls and one guy had three girls sitting with him. After about an hour I left, checked out the others again, they were dead so I headed back down the street to see what else I could find.

I came to a place, with a Mike’s Burger place in front, that looked like it had a lot of bars in it so I walked up and down a couple of times to check it out. They all had women outside trying to get you to come in for a drink, some places were busy, others weren’t and the quality of women I would say ran from 4 to 6 with a few 7’s in there too. Finally I picked one, I don’t know why this one, and went inside and ordered a Coke. Soon a lady, I’ll call her #1, came and sat down, we chatted and she seemed nice, she asked if I’d buy her a drink so I did. We started playing this game with a big stack of wooden blocks that you take turns removing one until it falls, she asked for another drink, sure, then she said she had to go to the bathroom and would be right back. When she returned she had a friend with her, a very cute and sexy friend, I’ll call her #2, who sat next to me, can I buy her a drink, sure, we played the game some more and then #1 said she would be back. #2 was so darn cute and had a great body, she had her hands all over me while we were playing that game, could I buy her another drink, sure, then #1 came back and was playing the game with us, could I buy her a drink, sure. Then #1 asked if I wanted to take #2 out with me, sure, I’m told it’s 400 BF, I ask how much for #2 and told ST 2000, I ask how long ST is, until you finish, wait that could be only 5 minutes, yes and then she will leave, well how much is LT, she will stay until 6 AM and if she stays longer it will be more. What? I tell them that it’s too much and I’m going to go now, they come down to 1500 ST but don’t budge on the LT, I tell them no thanks and ask for my bill, #1 talks to #2 asking her if she she’ll go down any more, she wouldn’t. My bill arrives and I discover that I’ve bought 3 lady drinks at 130 each, 2 lady drinks at 90 each and my Coke for 60 for a total of 720 Baht! I have a talk with the bartender, he shows me the pricelist, I pay the damn thing, I tell #1 and #2 that they are liars and cheats and leave. Lesson learned, be careful and don’t get sucked into buying drinks for the girls in this place.

Well while I was bad at them, and myself, #2 sure got me revved up so I headed back up the street, things looked like the same set-up so I decided I’d just head back to my hotel. Just as I passed that place again there were 3 girls standing on the sidewalk saying hi and asking where I was going, I tell them to my hotel, they all say they want to come with me, I say OK, they have a little fight over who will go and one come over to me, I ask how much, just pay the bar 400, how much do you want, up to you, no really how much do you want, she says 1500 for all night, I tell her you said it’s up to me so I’ll give you 1200 and if I’m happy I’ll tip you 300, she said she didn’t care about the money and again she says it’s up to you. She’s not too bad looking and she’s got spunk so we make the deal, I pay the BF and we walk to my hotel. She turned out to be a firecracker in bed! In the morning we had breakfast together then back to the room and session number four. She wanted to go shopping but I told her I had plans and couldn’t. She asked if I would get her again tonight, I said I would and she was very happy to hear that. She sure earned the tip so I gave her the 1500 it was worth twice that. Her name was Da and she works at the 69 Bar.

Mike[/QUOTE]

Mike - Sorry you had a bad experience in CM, but I would suggest to you and others to NOT run a bill unless you are confident they are not ripping you off on prices. BEST to pay after each drink order. I know from experience. It cost me DEARLY ..............THAT is the lesson to learn.

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]I came to a place, with a Mike’s Burger place in front, that looked like it had a lot of bars in it so I walked up and down a couple of times to check it out. They all had women outside trying to get you to come in for a drink, some places were busy, others weren’t and the quality of women I would say ran from 4 to 6 with a few 7’s in there too. Finally I picked one, I don’t know why this one, and went inside and ordered a Coke. Soon a lady, I’ll call her #1, came and sat down, we chatted and she seemed nice, she asked if I’d buy her a drink so I did. We started playing this game with a big stack of wooden blocks that you take turns removing one until it falls, she asked for another drink, sure, then she said she had to go to the bathroom and would be right back. When she returned she had a friend with her, a very cute and sexy friend, I’ll call her #2, who sat next to me, can I buy her a drink, sure, we played the game some more and then #1 said she would be back. #2 was so darn cute and had a great body, she had her hands all over me while we were playing that game, could I buy her another drink, sure, then #1 came back and was playing the game with us, could I buy her a drink, sure. Then #1 asked if I wanted to take #2 out with me, sure, I’m told it’s 400 BF, I ask how much for #2 and told ST 2000, I ask how long ST is, until you finish, wait that could be only 5 minutes, yes and then she will leave, well how much is LT, she will stay until 6 AM and if she stays longer it will be more. What? I tell them that it’s too much and I’m going to go now, they come down to 1500 ST but don’t budge on the LT, I tell them no thanks and ask for my bill, #1 talks to #2 asking her if she she’ll go down any more, she wouldn’t. My bill arrives and I discover that I’ve bought 3 lady drinks at 130 each, 2 lady drinks at 90 each and my Coke for 60 for a total of 720 Baht! I have a talk with the bartender, he shows me the pricelist, I pay the damn thing, I tell #1 and #2 that they are liars and cheats and leave. Lesson learned, be careful and don’t get sucked into buying drinks for the girls in this place. Mike[/QUOTE]I'm not exactly getting why you're pissed. You bought 5 lady drinks and a coke for $21. In any bar in the US you could have easily spent 5 times that amount. Sounds you were flirting for a while, but you didn't want to pay their price. Next time if you don't want to buy them drinks you should negotiate their rate before you buy the drinks. Whay are they liars and cheats?

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]
My bill arrives and I discover that I’ve bought 3 lady drinks at 130 each, 2 lady drinks at 90 each and my Coke for 60 for a total of 720 Baht! I have a talk with the bartender, he shows me the pricelist, I pay the damn thing, I tell #1 and #2 that they are liars and cheats and leave. Lesson learned, be careful and don’t get sucked into buying drinks for the girls in this place.
[/QUOTE]

Indeed, it's usually a good idea to pay after each round of drinks to avoid any sticker shock. Lady drinks are higher and the gal earns a percentage from each drink ordered. The places I go to in CM, lady drinks are usually around 80-100 baht and I don't buy unless there is some initial attraction.

However, the fact that they got five drinks out of you hardly makes them liars or cheats unless you were quoted drink prices that were different from your bill. You were even shown a pricelist to verify your bill. Basically, you lost face as well as the girls who were only doing what every other bargirl does.

If I got along with #2, I would have went with her...you only live once. But, at least it sounds like your night was salvaged...don't you wonder how #2 hotty would have been though? ;-)

[QUOTE=Chedi]However, the fact that they got five drinks out of you hardly makes them liars or cheats unless you were quoted drink prices that were different from your bill. You were even shown a pricelist to verify your bill. Basically, you lost face as well as the girls who were only doing what every other bargirl does.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. The girls are not at fault here.

Did they ask you everytime they wanted a drink? did you respond positively? The answer is yes. 750 thb 5 lady drinks? that is not expensive. Also, by arguing your bill, and calling them cheats and liars, you managed to make a big ass of yourself.

I am sure that the ladies were happy not to have been barfined in the end.

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]My bill arrives and I discover that I’ve bought 3 lady drinks at 130 each, 2 lady drinks at 90 each and my Coke for 60 for a total of 720 Baht! I have a talk with the bartender, he shows me the pricelist, I pay the damn thing, I tell #1 and #2 that they are liars and cheats and leave. Lesson learned, be careful and don’t get sucked into buying drinks for the girls in this place.

Mike[/QUOTE]Mike, I don't mean to bust your balls or anything, but 720baht is like $20 US. Are things really that tight for you?

OK, I stand corrected. I see actually what you guys are saying and I was wrong. I have seen the light and will follow your advice.
And now that I've been her a few days I'm getting the Baht Dollar exchange rate so it really wasn't that much.

Thanks for the input!

I haven't given up on Chiang Mai so I've extended my stay here until Sunday.

Mike

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As I was walking down Loi Khro back to my hotel a woman on a motto asks me if I’d like a massage, I don’t know why but I stopped and asked how much, she said a special massage and boom-boom for 400, I told her 300 and if it’s good I’ll give her the 400, she asks if I have a condom, I tell her I do, I get on the motto and we drive to my hotel.
She wasn’t anything special to look at but the massage was good, she took her time, and the boom-boom was OK too. I gave her the 400 and she gave me her number so I could call her again if I wanted. She was a very sweet lady, funny, nice smile and pleasant to be around. Her name is Wan, 35 years old and she said she works all over the city on her motto. I just may call her again for some afternoon relief.

Mike

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After Wan left I went and got something to eat then took a nap. Woke up around 10 PM and headed to 69 Bar to see if Da was still there, she was, I paid the 400 BF and we went to my hotel. I’d told her the day before that because she works at the 69 Bar we should do some 69 and she agreed. Tonight she brought the 69 thing up before I did. Needles to say we had another fantastic four rounder.

Mike

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Stopped in because it had been mentioned that this was a cool spot to sit and watch the action on Loi Khro Street. As soon as I walked in several girls greeted me, one took my hand and we sat down, her name was Mali, plain looking and 30 years old. I ordered my Coke, we talked, I got her a drink, she offers to take care of me, she said you eat me and I eat you, how much, ST 100 and LT 2000, too much, she offers LT for 1500, I took the deal, paid the 400 BF and we left.
During the walk to the hotel I wasn’t getting a good feeling about Mali, she wouldn’t kiss me and unlike when we were in the bar she kept her distance, I asked her about it and she said wait until we get to the room so we go on. When we got to the room she did improve but not much and while she was in the shower I considered sending her away. In bed she wasn’t fun, I ate her and she did give me a little BBBJ but overall she wasn’t into it and just laid there so I just moved her where I wanted her and in spite of her moaning and groaning I pounded away until I was done. She went to take another shower, I counted out 700 Baht and put it on the table, when she returned I told her I changed my mind and she had to go pointing to the cash, she counted it and said ST was 1000, I told her we agreed to 1500 LT so ST would be 700, she took it and got dressed.
As she was leaving she wanted to know if we could get together during the day tomorrow and gave me her number but I told her I wouldn’t be calling her again. I have some photos but after looking at them I’m not going to post them.

Mike

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After Mali left, around 11:30 PM, I thought I’d hit the street to see if I could come up with something else. I walked up Loi Khro Street, toward the river, turned right and stopped in at some bar with several girls sitting around inside. I sat with two of them, one was very cute, sexy and had a great personality while the other one was average looking, dull and older, bought them each a drink. It was interesting that whenever I said something nice to the cute one she’d redirect my advances toward the other one. Looking back I think the same thing happened at Jammers and I ended up with the Mali while the other girls barely even looked at me. I’ll have approach this different next time.
Anyways, the average one, her name is Noi, offers to go with me for LT for 2000, I tell her that I’m old and I’ve already had a girl tonight so I can’t, she offers to meet me tomorrow afternoon ST for 1000 and gives me her number, I tell her I have some things to do but will try and call her.

Mike

OK, I’m caught up now. More adventures to come.

ReallyaNiceGuy,

Good reports, keep them coming

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]
OK, I’m caught up now. More adventures to come.[/QUOTE]

If you want to try something other than bargirls...there's Sayuri which is a popular fishbowl massage/boom-boom place in CM. Will probably set you back about 1500 baht and if you have a good session with the gal, you might be able to get her number for some offsite action. Speaking some basic Thai would improve your chances with Sayuri gals.

Near your hotel and just off Loi Kroh next to the CM Entertainment Plaza (more bars and boxing ring) is StarSix GoGo. This place has mixed reviews but i've always found very attractive gals there. 150baht fee (includes one drink, 100 baht before 830ish), 500 baht BF, 1000-2000 ST negotiable. Never asked about LT. 80 baht lady drink, plus I usually tip 20b to the barlady.

Spotlight and Foxy are the other gogo...both in walking distance from your hotel and no admission charge...just watch out for those ladydrinks! ;-)

This is in response to the guy who was asking about Chiang Mai. I live in Chiang Mai and know the scene fairly well. One I recommend to visitors is the Entertainment Complex on fight night. The Entertainment Complex is also known as the Loi Kroh fight ring. This is a covered complex of about 30 beer bars just off of Loi Kroh on right side just past the bridge going to the Night Bazaar.

My favorite of the bars are at the back of the complex. These bars surround the fight ring. On fight nights the bars put out sofas, chairs and tables around the ring. My personal choice is the Sports Bar. The owner/manager is a super friendly lady who usually has 8-10 young (18- mid 20s) bar girls working. The girls are not models but IMHO most of them are 7s and 8s. Most importantly, these girls seem to really enjoy having a good time- none of them seem to have reached the level of professionalism where it is just a job. The bar to the right of the Sports bar is another favorite of mine. It is owned and managed by a big, jovial Texan. He does not have as many girls and they are a little older (mid 20s to early 30s) but on the two occasions that I have taken his girls they have been a lot of fun and have been up to anything I wanted to do. The other bars around the ring are a little bigger and have more girls. The girls at these bars vary from a few stunners to some real dragons. However, half of the fun is bouncing bar to bar and checking out the buffet. There is almost no pressure in these bars and it is very easy to window shop, play pool, or just enjoy the fights.

Bar fines vary slightly but generally run 300-400 baht. ST/LT costs are fluctuating because the lack of tourists is making many of the girls very hungry for any money. However, if you are the negotiating type you should be able to get ST for 600-700 and LT for twice that. If you get good service and if you plan to come back, you should definitely tip well. The girls in the various bars talk and if you are polite and not a cheap Charlie your 2nd, 3rd, etc. Visit will be all the more enjoyable because the girl will put in the extra effort knowing she will be well compensated.

The down side to fight night is that you have to pay a 400 baht fee to see the fights. If this is a big deal to you it is possible to show up early (around 6:30 or 7) and go to one of the bars around the ring before the ticket gate is set up.

The basic set up for the fights is that two gyms will show up with fighters in various weight/sex classes. There are 6 fights with a break for the obligatory lady boy show. If you want to bet, simply make eye contact with one of the Thai men circulating around and you tell him what color (color of the fighter’s trunks) you want. If you it is nice to occasionally put a bet down for her- it is great fun to watch them go crazy when they have 100 bht riding on a fight. They will also remember the kindness later in the night.

A final note of warning- watch out for the LadyBoys. There is a lady boy bar and the LBs tend to wander the complex.

I will wade through pictures and try to post some next week. Until then, enjoy Chiang Mai.

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[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy].

Needles to say we had another fantastic four rounder.

Mike[/QUOTE]

You young guys irritate the crap out of me. Even on my best day, way back when I was a young stud, I could never do four rounds with any girl. Even Vitamin E didn't help.

I applaud the stamina and the sex drive with envy.

Slim

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy].

Stopped in because it had been mentioned that this was a cool spot to sit and watch the action on Loi Khro Street. As soon as I walked in several girls greeted me, one took my hand and we sat down, her name was Mali, plain looking and 30 years old. I ordered my Coke, we talked, I got her a drink, she offers to take care of me, she said you eat me and I eat you, how much, ST 100 and LT 2000, too much, she offers LT for 1500, I took the deal, paid the 400 BF and we left.
During the walk to the hotel I wasn’t getting a good feeling about Mali, she wouldn’t kiss me and unlike when we were in the bar she kept her distance, I asked her about it and she said wait until we get to the room so we go on. When we got to the room she did improve but not much and while she was in the shower I considered sending her away. In bed she wasn’t fun, I ate her and she did give me a little BBBJ but overall she wasn’t into it and just laid there so I just moved her where I wanted her and in spite of her moaning and groaning I pounded away until I was done. She went to take another shower, I counted out 700 Baht and put it on the table, when she returned I told her I changed my mind and she had to go pointing to the cash, she counted it and said ST was 1000, I told her we agreed to 1500 LT so ST would be 700, she took it and got dressed.
As she was leaving she wanted to know if we could get together during the day tomorrow and gave me her number but I told her I wouldn’t be calling her again. I have some photos but after looking at them I’m not going to post them.

Mike[/QUOTE]

Mike

LOL. You have been Mali'd. She is like the leach of the yr in Jammers. Everytime I go in have to rebuff her advances. Always a lot of promises but I figured she was a non-performer. The other girls think she is nuts
If you go back ask for Waan or Duan (Month). Two go-to's for me.

To those of you that have been contributing to the Chiang Mai thread lately and answering my need for information I wish to sat thanks. I am in Chiang Mai the first part of Feb. for a short visit. I will be happy to post theresults

Mackin

[QUOTE=Nvslim]You young guys irritate the crap out of me. Even on my best day, way back when I was a young stud, I could never do four rounds with any girl. Even Vitamin E didn't help.

I applaud the stamina and the sex drive with envy.

Slim[/QUOTE]

YEah well I envy some young guys too... :( I can only shoot 3 times in a 90mn session and it was said (and proved) that some guy shot 6 times during an Eden club session (90mn).
The girls also say that it is common for very young guys to shoot 4 or 5 times in that 90mn.

[QUOTE=Nvslim]You young guys irritate the crap out of me. Even on my best day, way back when I was a young stud, I could never do four rounds with any girl. Even Vitamin E didn't help.

I applaud the stamina and the sex drive with envy.

Slim[/QUOTE]

You made my day!
I'm 60 years old!!!!!!
But remember that was over about 12 hours so I pace myself.
I use Vitamin "V", 100 mg cut in half, and it makes me at least get hard again. But what's really cool, at least I think it's cool, is that I don't cum after the first time so the following times I can go at it for a long time.

Mike

[QUOTE=Chedi]If you want to try something other than bargirls...there's Sayuri which is a popular fishbowl massage/boom-boom place in CM. Will probably set you back about 1500 baht and if you have a good session with the gal, you might be able to get her number for some offsite action. Speaking some basic Thai would improve your chances with Sayuri gals.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I've got the info about this place, I even went to see exactly where it was during the day, but I don't know a word a Thai so I moved it down on my list.

[QUOTE=Chedi]Near your hotel and just off Loi Kroh next to the CM Entertainment Plaza (more bars and boxing ring) is StarSix GoGo. This place has mixed reviews but i've always found very attractive gals there. 150baht fee (includes one drink, 100 baht before 830ish), 500 baht BF, 1000-2000 ST negotiable. Never asked about LT. 80 baht lady drink, plus I usually tip 20b to the barlady.[/QUOTE]

CM Entertainment Plaza, so that's the name of this place. This is where 69 Bar is.
I went by StarSix last night, after my Foxy Lady girl left, just to find the place. May stop in tonight to take a look inside.

[QUOTE=Chedi]Spotlight and Foxy are the other gogo...both in walking distance from your hotel and no admission charge...just watch out for those ladydrinks! ;-)[/QUOTE]

I went to Foxy Lady last night, took Nam for ST. Report to follow.

Thanks for the info, I'm going to be busy. So many, so little time.

Mike

Does anyone know if this place is open?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=801912&postcount=1099[/url]

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I was going to meet an old friend from LA for lunch the other day and he gave me directions to a bar but they were vague. He’s been lived in Thailand, about 30 minutes north of Chiang Mai, for 15 years and said he can drive to it but don’t know the street names. Well to make sure I could find it I went looking for it the night before and I got lost. While I was lost I was walking down some deserted side streets and passed this massage place. A very cute young girl was sitting outside and asked if I wanted a massage, I would have taken her up on the offer but I didn’t have time. Well I kept thinking about the place, and the girl, what if, so I got a Tuk-Tuk and went there today.
The young girl was nowhere in sight so I asked about her and was told she’d be in later but she didn’t know when. The lady that I was talking to asked if I wanted a massage, 250 for 1 hour Thai oil massage, while she was older, actually she told me later she was 46, but she looked good and had a damn great little body, I was there already so I went ahead and got a massage. This was my first time doing this in Thailand and wasn’t sure what to expect, well maybe a HJ at least.
Well it was a very good massage and she gave a great HJ, I usually don’t cum form a HJ but she made sure I did. It was very nice. And as she sat facing me between my legs she lifted my legs up and slid hers under mine until she was as close to me as she could. That was neat.
After the massage she cleaned me up and hugged and kissed me. I gave her 500, asked if that was OK and she said it was more than enough. Her name is Yo Yo, I guess she’s the owner.
When we came back to the front she introduced me to her daughter, she’s the one that I came back for, and she was even better looking in the light then I thought she was. I wonder?

Mike

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This was my first time here and I was amazed at the number of beautiful girls here. All of the dancers were wearing like bikini tops, matching tongs with a little filmy little skirt that didn’t even cover their ass. Great eye candy and a couple of them could even dance.
Asked if I’d like a girl and I said there all so beautiful, how would I choose one, mamasan said that she’s pick me a nice girl, I go with it and tell her I know that I’m an old American man and some girls don’t like that so get me one that wants to with someone like me, she said knows just the right girl and goes to get her. She came back with Nam, 23 years old, cute as could be, a little body weight but not fat, OK so maybe by Thai standards she’s fat, but overall I thought she was nice. She did speak OK English, I bought her a drink, we get along great and I ask if she’d like to go with me, she said she would, I ask how much, she tell me the BF, sorry but I forgot what it was, either 400 or 500, how much do you want, she said up to you, OK lets go, we tell the mamasan, I pay the tab and the BF while Nam changes, she comes back and we leave.
Nam was great, sweet, passionate, sexy and nasty, she seemed to really like sex too because she was very vocal moaning and groaning with pleasure and working with me on every stroke. Several positions and finished in my favorite, doggie.
And Nma was very comfortable with her body, with the lights on she stripped in front of me, came out of the shower without a towel, paraded around and posed for several photos and we never even got under the covers. Another thing that was cool about Nam was her fascination with my American dick, she laid on the side of the bed telling me to take my shorts off because she wanted to see it. I teased her a little, she said to hurry and when I revealed it she couldn’t take her eyes and hands off of it, she had me lay down, laid her head on my stomach and she looked, stroked and kissed it, not really a BJ, for about 10 minutes before we really got going, this really turned her on too.

Mike

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Does anyone know if this place is open?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=801912&postcount=1099[/url][/QUOTE]

Not as of yesterday. No sign of any activity in the last month.

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Chiang Mai Café – I stopped in late one night and there must have been 30 girls there. One or two would come out and sing a song, then another one, then a group of 5 came out and sang and danced a choreographed number, they needed more work on that one, this went on forever and I never saw the same one twice. They were all dressed in different outfits, sexy little Go-Go like outfits. There was only one that could/did dance nice, sexy bumps and grinds, all the rest just kind of stood there and moved around a little. The one good dancer kept giving me the eye while she was up there but went to sit with another guy when she finished her number. And she is the only one that sat with someone.
Can you take these girls out? Not that I would, yea they all looked great but none of them had any kind of personality and looked like they would rather be someplace else.
Direstions - I’m not sure of the name of the street but it’s not far, I can walk to it in a few minutes, from Royal Lanna Hotel, down Loi Khro Road toward the river, it’s on the first cross street. It’s a big place with photos, of what could be the girls, around the outside.

1991 Complex – So the other night when I was lost I walked past this place, actually I was really lost and went by there maybe 3 times, and every time I went by there were 5 or 6 girls out front, they looked very nice and young. It was lit up and there was loud music playing too. The girls never said a word to me, I’m thinking this may be a local’s only place, it is off the beaten path.
Directions – Driving down Chaiyaphum Road, one-way, turn left on Chaiyapoom Lane, see photo Road Sign, it’s down a bit on the right hand side.

And there’s a little Karaoke place I found too that looks interesting. I stopped in and had a Coke, there were maybe 15 young, 18 to 22 years olds sitting around. All were dressed nice but overly sexy. I was offered a girl for 1200, I think they might have even had a place there.

I’m leaving tomorrow for Chiang Rai, quick stop in Myanmar, but will be back so any info would be great. Or if someone wants to go with me to check out 1991 Complex or the Karaoke place let me know. I think a Thai speaker would be a good thing at these places but I’m up for something new.

Mike

Great Report, Thumbs up.

Nam is cute, great nipples but I can't get past the tatoo.

How much did you pay her and how long did she stay?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Great Report, Thumbs up.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I'm doing my best.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Nam is cute, great nipples but I can't get past the tatoo.[/QUOTE]

Then why would you want to see her?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]How much did you pay her and how long did she stay?[/QUOTE]

She said it was up to me so after almost three hours I gave her 1000 Baht, I asked her if she was happy and she said she was so I left it at that.

Mike

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]Then why would you want to see her?[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what makes you think I would want to see her?

Any idea where the karoke place is located?

Mackin

[QUOTE=Mackin]Any idea where the karoke place is located?

Mackin[/QUOTE]

From Royal Lanna Hotel go toward the Old City on Loi Khro Road, turn left on Kamphaeng Din Road, past the Imperial, it's further down on the left side, I think before Sri Donchai Road.
I don't remember anything special about the looks of the place other than girls out front and I could hear the music.

Keep me posted.

Mike

You had better speak a lot of thai in there :-)

There are 3 karaokes places on that street. Been there for the 15years that I know about. You must have passed the 1st one on the right. Then 1991. Further down as you make the corner is another. Directly opp 1991 is another bar that you will find a few ex-pats (old timers) but mostly Thais drinking Beer Chang or Lao Kao. Rough places all. Rough for CM anyway :-)
Girls use the hotel at the end of the street for ST.

Greed is good says becareful as could be rough area. Might take a walk down that way if it seems clear.
Don't speak Thai so that could be a real problem
Mackin

[QUOTE=Mackin]Greed is good says becareful as could be rough area. Might take a walk down that way if it seems clear.
Don't speak Thai so that could be a real problem
Mackin[/QUOTE]

Well...

Really in CM nothing is 'that rough".
Sure use your head. But in all the yrs I have been been in and around that area I have never encountered a problem

Thanks for the information. Any other karoke or otherwise places not mentioned would help with learning the land. Yes, I have read the forum
Thanks again,
Mackin

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]Well...

Really in CM nothing is 'that rough".
Sure use your head. But in all the yrs I have been been in and around that area I have never encountered a problem[/QUOTE]

I walked around there twice and it was fine.
The first time I was in the area I was lost and wondered all around there and never felt like there was anything bad or rough around there. A couple of people even tried to help me find my way, very friendly.
The thing that is dangerous is the narrow streets and the cars and motorbikes late at night.

Mike

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Part IV

I go back to my hotel, shower and shave, still wrapped in a towel there’s a knock at the door, its Ann, 15 minutes early, she all bouncy and bubbly, hugs and kisses me, we fall on the bed, lots of foreplay, I ask her if she wants to shower, she does and takes a nice long shower, washed her hair and everything, she comes out, I’m waiting on the bed, she joins me and the fun begins. Our session started out passionately making love but turned into 2 hours of wild raw sex, Ann was intense and amazing girl in bed. We did everything and every position, except anal, although while doing her doggie I got a finger in there, I told her I loved her ass, pulled out, took aim and did get the head in but she asked me nicely to stop, things were going great and I didn’t want to push it so I pulled out and back to doggie.

After resting a bit we showered together got dressed and went to the Night Market to get something to eat. During dinner she asked if I liked music, I told her I did and she said we should go a club, but it was still early so we walked around the Night Market for a while. We’re going past all of this stuff and I’m thinking this is going to cost me because Ann looked at everything, she never asked for anything and I never offered until she saw this knit thing that goes around your neck and holds your cell phone, she loved them and I told her to get one, she couldn’t decide between 2 of them so I told her to get them both, 10 Baht each, she was thrilled. Then we walked to the Pornping Hotel Night Club, Ann had a couple of beers, and we danced and had a great time together.

After a couple of hours at the club we went back to my hotel and another long session of wild sex. Afterwards Ann said she had to go, she showered and dressed and before she left I gave her 1000 Baht, she didn’t seem disappointed but I told her that with dinner and the club that was all I had left, it was the truth too, and promised her more next time because she was worth it.
I would say that the time spent with and the sex with Ann was one of my all time favorites.

Ann has called me twice a day since I left and I can’t wait to see her again.

Mike

I’m late in posting this but the next day I went to Chiang Rai for a couple of days, then to Mae Sai to cross the border into Myanmar/Burma for the day and then I’ll be back to Chiang Mai. I’ll post my adventures in the “Other Areas” section.

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Part III

I stopped in to see Ann today a little before 4 PM, third times the charm because she was there sitting outside, again wearing a very short dress. She was happy to see me and said she was sorry she wasn’t here last night when I came by, I tell her it’s OK at least you’re here now. She asks me to sit with her, she gives me a big hug, I ask about getting a massage and she asks where I want the massage, my hotel, I said my hotel would be great can we go now and she said sure, but just then the boss came out. I don’t know what was said but I think she asks Ann what’s going on, Ann tells her she’s going to my hotel to give me a massage, the boss must tell her no because Ann asks me if it’s OK to have a one hour Thai oil massage, 250 Baht, here first and then she’ll come to my hotel, OK I’ll do that, she tells the boss and everything seems OK with the boss now, she thanks me and went back inside.
Ann and I go inside, she takes me up to the third floor and to the last spot in the back, everything is curtains, she gets some clothespins to keep them closed, with mats but seeing that there’s nobody else in the place it’s very private.
Now were alone, she hugs and kisses me, I’m feeling her up, she tell me only the massage here now, but are you going to come to my hotel and when, she tell me she is, one hour for the massage and then one hour later she will be at my hotel and I believe she will be there.
She tells me strip and lay down, I was as hard as a rock and there was no hiding it, she took one look and got a big smile on her face, I laid face down, tucked it away as best as I could, she got the oil, spread my legs wide and, starting with my legs and ass, she touched me and my a-hole on every stroke. The massage was not really a massage anymore, at one point as she was up on her knees rubbing my ass I lifted my legs up to her ass and pushed her on top of me, as she laid there I reached around and grabbed her ass with both hands, she then started kissing my neck and ears.
On the flip the fun really got started as she pretended to massage me, she always making sure to get plenty of oil on my dick and stroke me, but she asked me not to cum because she wanted that later. Mean while I was touching her everywhere, lifted her blouse and bra kissing her tits, while holding onto her ass I slid my hands under her underwear and rubbed her back hole, she liked that and gave me some oil for my finger, I got up to the first knuckle in. I just rolled her onto her side, some DFK, I asked if the hour was up, she said 5 more minutes, so 5 minutes more of kissing and touching each other, it sure was playful and we both had a good time.
When the time was over she wiped off the extra oil, I got dressed, she straightened herself up, I gave her my card with my Thai number and the room number, she said she would be there in one hour, 6:00 PM, we went down like nothing had happened, I thanked her, in front of the boss, for a nice massage and told her I felt better already, I gave the boss 300 and told her to give the tip to Ann, Ann and I shook hands and I told her I see her again, she smiled and thanked me and I left.

Mike

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Part II

Lin left around 11:30 and I thought I could still make it to see Ann so I took off walking. When I got there I was told something came up and she had to leave early. I told the lady to tell Ann I was here and that I’d try and see her tomorrow.

Mike

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Another new place tonight. I got there about 8:15 PM trying to beat the 150 cover charge, it was still 100, and I understand they open at 7 PM.
Not a lot going on yet but three girls were on stage dancing and several more girls walking around, there were maybe 5 other guys there and there were two girls sitting with customers so it wasn’t dead. I picked a good place to sit and see the stage, ordered my coke and after it came a girl came and asked if, in very good English, if she could sit with me. Her name was Lin, 25 years old, said she came form a small town in the mountains, tall, maybe 5’ 8/9”, perfect white skin, a nice set of boobs and a very nice thin body, I sure liked what I saw. We talked, I got her a drink, 80 Baht, I asked her if she liked me and wanted to go out with me, she said she like old men and would make me happy, I told her that because of my age I would need some warming up, she said she understood and not to worry because she would take care of that. I asked how much, she told me all the girls the same, 500 BF and 1500 for the girl for ST, I told her lets go, I paid the mamasan the 2000 while Lin went to change and within 30 minutes of entering StarSix Lin and I were on our way to my hotel.
In the room we hugged and kissed a bit, she said we should take a shower together, she washed me up real nice, we dried each other off and went to the bed. More kissing, closed mouth but passionate, I kissed her beautiful body all over, DATY, she came and then said it was her turn and told me to lay down, I thought she was going to blow me but she said she didn’t do that, she put the cover on, then she put some lube inside her, I hate that stuff so I asked her not to use it but she said I was too big and needed it. She got on top and taking her time she slowly managed to get all the way down on me. She had her way with me, she came again, I got on top for a while, switched to doggie, she asked me to take it easy and I did my best but sometimes I got carried away and hit her hard and deep, when I was out of breath I had her get on top, while she was doing me she looked down and told me to stop, there was blood all over the condom. I asked if she was OK and she said she was and that we should take a shower, what a mess that was.
When we finished showering we went back to the bed because Lin said she would finish me with a HJ, sounds good to me, she did a nice HJ and I think because I was already wound up she made me cum.

After she cleaned me up we starting talking, she asked where I’ve been in SE Asia and when I told her she wanted to know if I was doing girls in all of the places I’ve been, I told her I had and asked if that made me a bad person, she said it didn’t and she wasn’t much different than me because she went with different men from the bar, just to help her family, I said then this is good for both of us and I was glad to help her she said it was good for both of us and she thanked me for seeing her.

Again I asked if she was OK and told her I was sorry, she said she was fine, she was a big girl and could handle it, I laughed and said if you could handle it you wouldn’t be bleeding, she laughed too and agreed with me. Lin said that she like me and I was a nice man but because of my size she couldn’t see me again, I told her I understood and agreed, but she said I could see some different girls from her bar and she knew the ones that liked big guys, she said they had a big pussy, and if I came back she would introduce me to them, I said really you know that about the other girls, she said that she did because all the girls talk, I told her I’d like to meet them and I would be back but I don’t know when.

Mike

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Part I

Walked by this place, it’s just like any of others, but I was drawn to one of the girls sitting outside that was offering the massage. She spoke good English, kind of cute, average body and she was wearing a short dress showing a lot of leg and thigh, very sexy, but it was her body language, her smile, her laugh and the sparkle in her eyes that made me stop.
It was time for me to hit the bars so I told her I’d try to come back later that night, she said they took the last massage at midnight, I told her if I don’t make it tonight I’d see her tomorrow.

Mike

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Today I was in the area again so I stopped in to ask Yo Yo about getting a massage from her daughter but Yo Yo wasn’t in, I asked about the daughter but she wasn’t there either. The fat lady that was there said she would call Yo Yo, she handed me the phone and I told Yo Yo that I wanted her number so I could call her tomorrow for a massage, she gave it to me so I’ll pop the question about her daughter tomorrow.

Mike

Please bring a photo of Ann. Yoyo's daughter. I think I know her. She will probably tell you about her husband who is an artist living in Bangkok for the moment, and that she would like to run away from it all. With you. She is very nice, if she is the Ann I once knew.

Good luck!

Reallyaniceguy,

Wow! Great reports, you seem to be having a very nice time in Chiang mai.

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy].

Today I was in the area again so I stopped in to ask Yo Yo about getting a massage from her daughter but Yo Yo wasn’t in, I asked about the daughter but she wasn’t there either. The fat lady that was there said she would call Yo Yo, she handed me the phone and I told Yo Yo that I wanted her number so I could call her tomorrow for a massage, she gave it to me so I’ll pop the question about her daughter tomorrow.

Mike[/QUOTE]

Hi Really Nice Guy,
As much fun as it must be, are you going to try to get both the mother and daughter to give you an oil massage at the same time? Please let me know if they are open to the idea. That might make my new year extra special :)
AS

[QUOTE=Adelante Siempre]Hi Really Nice Guy,
As much fun as it must be, are you going to try to get both the mother and daughter to give you an oil massage at the same time? Please let me know if they are open to the idea. That might make my new year extra special :)
AS[/QUOTE]

I'm going try and get the daughter to come to my hotel for the massage so I can have my way with her.
But I like this idea too so if plan one fails I'll ask about both of them.

Thanks for the idea.

Mike

[QUOTE=Kurtweiler]Please bring a photo of Ann. Yoyo's daughter. I think I know her. She will probably tell you about her husband who is an artist living in Bangkok for the moment, and that she would like to run away from it all. With you. She is very nice, if she is the Ann I once knew.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

These are two different Thai Massage places and two different girls.
Sorry if there was a confusion about this.

And I have posted photos of Ann already.

Mike

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I got back to Chiang Mai around 5 PM, checked into the hotel, unpacked a few things and then Ann called, I told her I was back, she asked if she could see me, sure and within the hour she was at my door. I’d just got out of the shower, Ann showered and then we had another great session. Rest, shower and dress, to the Night Market for dinner, bought her a couple of small things she wanted, 200 Baht, then back to the hotel for more sex. But this time during DATY Ann seemed to go out of her way to give me access to licking and probing her ass, after she came for about the 6th time I got on top for awhile then I flipped her over for doggie but she didn’t get up on her knees this time, so her ass was there and I took advantage of it. As I was slowly pushing in I kept asking if she was OK, she just shook her head yes so I kept going. Didn’t get it all the way in but I did get deep and while doing her I did get carried away a few times and really hit her deep, she yelped, you OK, said she was and to keep going, she climaxed and I held still deep inside her until it passed, she told me OK now you finish, I pound away until I shot my load and collapsed on top of her. We took a shower together and then went to sleep.
When she woke-up in the morning we had what would be considered a quickie by Ann’s sessions, she showered, got dressed and when she was ready to leave I went to give her 2000 Baht, 500 that I felt I owed her from last time and 1500 for this time, she wouldn’t take it. I snuck it in her purse but she found it and gave it back to me, I tried.

She wants to get together again tonight but while she’s great tonight might be my last night here before going to BKK and I think I want someone different tonight. We’ll see how it goes.

Mike

[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]...We’ll see how it goes.

Mike[/QUOTE]
Hey Mike,

I really like your reports, but could you do us all a little favor and rotate your photos so they appear right side up when posted? Right now I get tired turning my computer sideways to view them.

Thanks, and Regards,
Daddy

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hey Mike,

I really like your reports, but could you do us all a little favor and rotate your photos so they appear right side up when posted? Right now I get tired turning my computer sideways to view them.

Thanks, and Regards,
Daddy[/QUOTE]

Glad you're enjoying my travels, not as much as I am I'm sure.

I don't know what's up with the photos, I opened it in PhotoShop and it's correct. I'll see what I can do.

Mike

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A few days after I saw Lin the first time she called me and said that she was really fine and it wasn’t me that caused the bleeding, she’d started her period and she wanted to see me again. I told her that I wasn’t sure, she assured me she could take and I told her I would think about it.
Today she called me again and still wanted to see me, I told her I’d thought about her and our first get together and while I like her and it was nice I sure would have like more from her, she asked what I meant and I told I really liked DFK and at least a little BJ would be nice, she said she would do that, I said I thought you said you didn’t do that, she said she doesn’t like to do that on a first “date” but now that she knew me and like me she would love to make me happy. I said if you’re sure when, this afternoon, how much, 1500 ST, I said OK and we set a time.
Lin showed up right on time, we showered together and true to her word we/I had a great time for about two and a half hours.

I didn’t hear from Ann at all that day/night so I took the rest of the night off and decided to leave in the morning for Bangkok. I caught the 9 AM bus from Chiang Mai to Bangkok and after almost 11 hours I checked into the Nanatai Mansion up the street from Nana Plaza.

See you in Bangkok!

Mike

[QUOTE=Mackin]Thanks for the information. Any other karoke or otherwise places not mentioned would help with learning the land. Yes, I have read the forum
Thanks again,
Mackin[/QUOTE]

Guess it depends what you have read already. :-)
There are places for the high-so's and lo-so's. Thai karaokes for the tuk tuk drivers and motocy guys are everywhere. Always better to be able to speak Thai in those places or you will get no where. There is a hi-so place in Lampang that I got taken to by the chief of police. Could i find it again ? Probably no. Was it fun ? Assuredly !
If you are living in CM I would say the most fun is just taking out all the available non-working girls that are just looking for an enjoyable night out

I don't live in Chiang Mai. Will be making my first visit to the city the first part of Feburary. Trying to figure out where to go and look around so I can enjoy myself. I do appreciate all the help
Mackin

Thank's Mike for all the informations you give; it is very interesting and I think I will use them soon because I will stay in Chiangmai one week next month.

Do you know Ramings Lodge? Any opinion?

I appreciate your experience sharing.

Can you say where is the place where you found Ann? She seems very nice, with a very peaceful face.

[quote]Part III

I stopped in to see Ann today a little before 4 PM, third times the charm because she was there sitting outside, again wearing a very short dress. She was happy to see me and said she was sorry she wasn’t here last night when I came by, I tell her it’s OK at least you’re here now. She asks me to sit with her, she gives me a big hug, I ask about getting a massage and she asks where I want the massage, my hotel, I said my hotel would be great can we go now and she said sure, but just then the boss came out. I don’t know what was said but I think she asks Ann what’s going on, Ann tells her she’s going to my hotel to give me a massage, the boss must tell her no because Ann asks me if it’s OK to have a one hour Thai oil massage, 250 Baht, here first and then she’ll come to my hotel, OK I’ll do that, she tells the boss and everything seems OK with the boss now, she thanks me and went back inside.
Ann and I go inside, she takes me up to the third floor and to the last spot in the back, everything is curtains, she gets some clothespins to keep them closed, with mats but seeing that there’s nobody else in the place it’s very private.

Now were alone, she hugs and kisses me, I’m feeling her up, she tell me only the massage here now, but are you going to come to my hotel and when, she tell me she is, one hour for the massage and then one hour later she will be at my hotel and I believe she will be there.

She tells me strip and lay down, I was as hard as a rock and there was no hiding it, she took one look and got a big smile on her face, I laid face down, tucked it away as best as I could, she got the oil, spread my legs wide and, starting with my legs and ass, she touched me and my a-hole on every stroke. The massage was not really a massage anymore, at one point as she was up on her knees rubbing my ass I lifted my legs up to her ass and pushed her on top of me, as she laid there I reached around and grabbed her ass with both hands, she then started kissing my neck and ears.

On the flip the fun really got started as she pretended to massage me, she always making sure to get plenty of oil on my dick and stroke me, but she asked me not to cum because she wanted that later. Mean while I was touching her everywhere, lifted her blouse and bra kissing her tits, while holding onto her ass I slid my hands under her underwear and rubbed her back hole, she liked that and gave me some oil for my finger, I got up to the first knuckle in. I just rolled her onto her side, some DFK, I asked if the hour was up, she said 5 more minutes, so 5 minutes more of kissing and touching each other, it sure was playful and we both had a good time.
When the time was over she wiped off the extra oil, I got dressed, she straightened herself up, I gave her my card with my Thai number and the room number, she said she would be there in one hour, 6:00 PM, we went down like nothing had happened, I thanked her, in front of the boss, for a nice massage and told her I felt better already, I gave the boss 300 and told her to give the tip to Ann, Ann and I shook hands and I told her I see her again, she smiled and thanked me and I left.

Mike[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fanfan]Thank's Mike for all the informations you give; it is very interesting and I think I will use them soon because I will stay in Chiangmai one week next month.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.

[QUOTE=Fanfan]Do you know Ramings Lodge? Any opinion?[/QUOTE]
I saw it when I was walking up and down the street but never went in so sorry I can't help you on this one. Why don't you RTFF, it will help you though.

[QUOTE=Fanfan]I appreciate your experience sharing.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.

[QUOTE=Fanfan]Can you say where is the place where you found Ann? She seems very nice, with a very peaceful face.[/QUOTE]
You know, I've struggled with this one and have decided not to post any contact info about Ann because I'm not really sure if she's a pro or not. But having said that, if you were a member with more standing here on ISG I might share with you.

Best of luck and have fun in Chiang Mai.

Mike

I haven't posted here in awhile, so I figured I would add a report about a fun filled evening.

I started at around 9:30pm.

First Stop: Spotlight Go-Go Bar

Walked in and chose a seat by the stage. Overall, the quality of the girls wasn't bad. I spotted about 3 attractive girls, about 3 heinous looking women, but most of the merchandise were 5's. I ordered a beer and wanted to just take my time. A few minutes later, a really attractive girl bumps herself into me. I was really surprised at how attractive her face was.- her face rated a 9 or 10 (seriously). She really looked half Thai and half caucasion; her smile lit up the room. Her body was about a 6. 5 (B-cup boobs that sagged a little), her ass was business classy, but her stomach was semi-flat. Initially, I was "wow! ", but I wanted to spend a little more time to check things out so I sent her on her way. I hadn't been to Spotlight in about 6 months, so I really wanted to see the rest of the girls.

[Aside: when I go to a massage parlor or go-go bar, I'm really looking for something outside the normal. Usually, I look for 2 of the following: 1) Huge boobs 2) VERY skinny or small ass 3) A Kristen Kreuk or Zeta-Jones face 4) ****/Horny disposition. An example of #4 was the last time I went to Spotlight, this chick bends over to me as she is dancing and DFK's me while she grabbed one my hands and pulled down her bikini and let me feel up her tits. Great time. So, in my book, if a chick has at least 2 of the 4, I'll take her in an MP or Go-Go. If I'm at a club, and I want to take a girl for the whole night, or go out to eat with her, then she has to have "a sweet disposition or personality". I let go my above standards a bit when I want to spend significant time with the girl. And usually. A girl with a "good personality" doesn't have a huge tits, tiny waist, and is horny as hell. ]

Anyways, on with the story. I spotted a super thin girl with what appeared to be perky tits. She had a completely flat stomach, and a tiny, but very perky ass. She said she was 20 years old. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a girl with 2 of the 4 of my criteria that night, so I settled for this one. I was tempted to go with the friendly girl with the very attractive face, but I was in the mood for some really tight pussy for this session. She says her fee is 1500 baht, but I offer 1, 000. Surprisingly, she accepts quickly. I pay a 500 baht BF, and we're off to a 50 baht tuk tuk ride.

We get to the hotel, after a bit of light chit chat, I start undressing her. I HATE push up bras. When I take off her bra, her "perky tits" that appeared to be bigger and disproportionate to her tiny waist and ass. Sagged waaaayyy down. I later found that she has 2 children. Definitely consistent with her sagging breasts. Her pussy wasn't as tight as anticipated, and she a puffy rip scar from her pussy to her asshole. Sorry to get too graphic. Anyways, the sex was ok. She said she didn't do BJ's (what? ), and doesn't like being on top (what? ). Now I know why she quickly went down to 1K baht. Anyways, we did doggie. I pounded for a semi-long time, and she didn't complain at all. She moaned a little. Her pussy was semi-tight. And whenever I pulled out, her pussy would hug my cock in such a way that it looked like I was turning her pussy inside out. Very beautiful. After a nice climax, I paid her and sent her on her way. I once read on ISG that we don't pay a girl for sex in Thailand, but we pay her to LEAVE after sex.

A final interesting note on this experience: After payment, the girl mentioned that I was her only customer in a week. She said that Spotlight was incredibly slow, and many girls had chosen to go home in the past week because of how slow it had been due to the political turmoil.

Second Stop: Bubbles Disco

After my Spotlight girl left, I quickly went to the Porn Ping hotel to Bubbles (50 baht taxi ride). It was about 12:00AM. The place was quite full. I was surprised at how many young white farang men were there. There were just as many men than women. Lots of techno music. I really just wanted to hang out and get a little liquered up. It's hard to figure this place out. I see girl that has an okay body, a really cute face, and nice dance moves. She smiles at me. I'm about to move in, but then a Thai guy steps in and says something to her. She gives him the hand wave that means, "I'm not interested". "Of course, I think", she's interested in me! I watch her for a little longer, then a tall young white farang whispers something in her ear. And she smiles back, but then she gives him the same "not interested" hand wave and he walks off. I'm pretty intrigued now, and so I walk up to her and ask her what her name is (in English). She clinks my glass with her beer bottle, but then ignores me and keeps on dancing completely by herself. I start dancing with her (not too close), but then she gives me the SAME hand wave and waves me off. I'm in my early 30's, in really good shape, and not bad looking. So I'm a little confused, and go back by the bar, checking everything out, while still keeping an eye on her. It seems really apparent that this girl is NOT for sale, and just there to have an honest good time with. Herself. Hrm, not sure on this one. Bubbles seems to have a wide range of customers 1) Non Mongering Farangs. Men & Women 2) Mongering Farangs such as myself 3) Non Mongering Thai Nationals. Men & Women and 4) Girls that will go home with you for the right price 5) Girls that will go home with you for free. It's just hard to know which is which in this place and which card to play.

Coming back from the bathroom, I see a girl that is really short, but has an incredibly cute face and curvacious body. She smiles back at me and we start talking. She's super sweet and really funny. She takes me back to her table and I meet 3 of her friends. They all work in a Loi Kroh massage shop. They have a boss that is caucasian, older, tall,.- and to be honest, he dresses like a white pimp. No idea what to make of that. But nonetheless, the groups shares their bottles of drinks with me until 2AM. They said they were going to Spicy and so I join them because they're a fun crowd.

Third Stop: Spicy

We take one of the girls' motor bikes to Spicy. I get sandwiched in with 2 girls. The girl I first met is driving and she lets me feel her up with some giggles. The girl behind me is trying her hardest to not make any contact with me whatsoever.- out of politeness, respect to her friend, or because she thinks I'm heinous. Not sure which (maybe all 3). Anyways, SPICY is hoppin.- very crowded. This place is much more mongering friendly to say the least. Most girls here, even as I'm hand in hand with another girl are poking me as I walk by, tickling me, and giving me that "fuck me" smile. Needless to say, as we make our way to our table, my new friend has a tight grip on my hand. What's interesting is that the 3 other girls I'm with, don't make any gestures or deliberate moves to other guys. They seem to just want to get drunk and have fun. Further, I don't have to buy one drink, we have 3 bottles of whiskey and lots of coke that last us the whole night (until about 4am). We dance and dance and have a lot of fun. At about 4 we leave. What's interesting. Is the other 3 girls leave on their own without trying to solicit themselves to guy in any way. Anyways, I take the girl I met to my room. I'm a little drunk and very tired. After I disrobe her, I find a delightfully tight and young perky body in bed with me. We start stroking each other, but then she asks me if I have a condom. I don't, neither does she. By then, we're both too tired to get one, the next thing I know I'm waking up at about 10AM. We both wake up together, and she gets dressed, leaves her number and asks me to dinner that night. I said I would call her, and she leaves.

This is already a novel, so I'll end it here. To be continued.

Quick question though: Any other mongering clubs like Spicy out there these days?

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Asian John,

Great report, Thanks. Can't wait till the rest

[QUOTE= But having said that, if you were a member with more standing here on ISG I might share with you.

Mike[/QUOTE]Mike,

It sounds like you are a really nice guy but you have given him the perfect answer.

Thanks for yr great postings btw,

JE

[QUOTE=Asian John]I haven't posted here in awhile, so I figured I would add a report about a fun filled evening.

I started at around 9:30pm.

First Stop: Spotlight Go-Go Bar

Walked in and chose a seat by the stage. Overall, the quality of the girls wasn't bad. I spotted about 3 attractive girls, about 3 heinous looking women, but most of the merchandise were 5's. I ordered a beer and wanted to just take my time. A few minutes later, a really attractive girl bumps herself into me. I was really surprised at how attractive her face was.- her face rated a 9 or 10 (seriously). She really looked half Thai and half caucasion; her smile lit up the room. Her body was about a 6. 5 (B-cup boobs that sagged a little), her ass was business classy, but her stomach was semi-flat. Initially, I was "wow! ", but I wanted to spend a little more time to check things out so I sent her on her way. I hadn't been to Spotlight in about 6 months, so I really wanted to see the rest of the girls.

[Aside: when I go to a massage parlor or go-go bar, I'm really looking for something outside the normal. Usually, I look for 2 of the following: 1) Huge boobs 2) VERY skinny or small ass 3) A Kristen Kreuk or Zeta-Jones face 4) ****/Horny disposition. An example of #4 was the last time I went to Spotlight, this chick bends over to me as she is dancing and DFK's me while she grabbed one my hands and pulled down her bikini and let me feel up her tits. Great time. So, in my book, if a chick has at least 2 of the 4, I'll take her in an MP or Go-Go. If I'm at a club, and I want to take a girl for the whole night, or go out to eat with her, then she has to have "a sweet disposition or personality". I let go my above standards a bit when I want to spend significant time with the girl. And usually. A girl with a "good personality" doesn't have a huge tits, tiny waist, and is horny as hell. ]

Anyways, on with the story. I spotted a super thin girl with what appeared to be perky tits. She had a completely flat stomach, and a tiny, but very perky ass. She said she was 20 years old. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a girl with 2 of the 4 of my criteria that night, so I settled for this one. I was tempted to go with the friendly girl with the very attractive face, but I was in the mood for some really tight pussy for this session. She says her fee is 1500 baht, but I offer 1, 000. Surprisingly, she accepts quickly. I pay a 500 baht BF, and we're off to a 50 baht tuk tuk ride.

We get to the hotel, after a bit of light chit chat, I start undressing her. I HATE push up bras. When I take off her bra, her "perky tits" that appeared to be bigger and disproportionate to her tiny waist and ass. Sagged waaaayyy down. I later found that she has 2 children. Definitely consistent with her sagging breasts. Her pussy wasn't as tight as anticipated, and she a puffy rip scar from her pussy to her asshole. Sorry to get too graphic. Anyways, the sex was ok. She said she didn't do BJ's (what? ), and doesn't like being on top (what? ). Now I know why she quickly went down to 1K baht. Anyways, we did doggie. I pounded for a semi-long time, and she didn't complain at all. She moaned a little. Her pussy was semi-tight. And whenever I pulled out, her pussy would hug my cock in such a way that it looked like I was turning her pussy inside out. Very beautiful. After a nice climax, I paid her and sent her on her way. I once read on ISG that we don't pay a girl for sex in Thailand, but we pay her to LEAVE after sex.

A final interesting note on this experience: After payment, the girl mentioned that I was her only customer in a week. She said that Spotlight was incredibly slow, and many girls had chosen to go home in the past week because of how slow it had been due to the political turmoil.

Second Stop: Bubbles Disco

After my Spotlight girl left, I quickly went to the Porn Ping hotel to Bubbles (50 baht taxi ride). It was about 12:00AM. The place was quite full. I was surprised at how many young white farang men were there. There were just as many men than women. Lots of techno music. I really just wanted to hang out and get a little liquered up. It's hard to figure this place out. I see girl that has an okay body, a really cute face, and nice dance moves. She smiles at me. I'm about to move in, but then a Thai guy steps in and says something to her. She gives him the hand wave that means, "I'm not interested". "Of course, I think", she's interested in me! I watch her for a little longer, then a tall young white farang whispers something in her ear. And she smiles back, but then she gives him the same "not interested" hand wave and he walks off. I'm pretty intrigued now, and so I walk up to her and ask her what her name is (in English). She clinks my glass with her beer bottle, but then ignores me and keeps on dancing completely by herself. I start dancing with her (not too close), but then she gives me the SAME hand wave and waves me off. I'm in my early 30's, in really good shape, and not bad looking. So I'm a little confused, and go back by the bar, checking everything out, while still keeping an eye on her. It seems really apparent that this girl is NOT for sale, and just there to have an honest good time with. Herself. Hrm, not sure on this one. Bubbles seems to have a wide range of customers 1) Non Mongering Farangs. Men & Women 2) Mongering Farangs such as myself 3) Non Mongering Thai Nationals. Men & Women and 4) Girls that will go home with you for the right price 5) Girls that will go home with you for free. It's just hard to know which is which in this place and which card to play.

Coming back from the bathroom, I see a girl that is really short, but has an incredibly cute face and curvacious body. She smiles back at me and we start talking. She's super sweet and really funny. She takes me back to her table and I meet 3 of her friends. They all work in a Loi Kroh massage shop. They have a boss that is caucasian, older, tall,.- and to be honest, he dresses like a white pimp. No idea what to make of that. But nonetheless, the groups shares their bottles of drinks with me until 2AM. They said they were going to Spicy and so I join them because they're a fun crowd.

Third Stop: Spicy

We take one of the girls' motor bikes to Spicy. I get sandwiched in with 2 girls. The girl I first met is driving and she lets me feel her up with some giggles. The girl behind me is trying her hardest to not make any contact with me whatsoever.- out of politeness, respect to her friend, or because she thinks I'm heinous. Not sure which (maybe all 3). Anyways, SPICY is hoppin.- very crowded. This place is much more mongering friendly to say the least. Most girls here, even as I'm hand in hand with another girl are poking me as I walk by, tickling me, and giving me that "fuck me" smile. Needless to say, as we make our way to our table, my new friend has a tight grip on my hand. What's interesting is that the 3 other girls I'm with, don't make any gestures or deliberate moves to other guys. They seem to just want to get drunk and have fun. Further, I don't have to buy one drink, we have 3 bottles of whiskey and lots of coke that last us the whole night (until about 4am). We dance and dance and have a lot of fun. At about 4 we leave. What's interesting. Is the other 3 girls leave on their own without trying to solicit themselves to guy in any way. Anyways, I take the girl I met to my room. I'm a little drunk and very tired. After I disrobe her, I find a delightfully tight and young perky body in bed with me. We start stroking each other, but then she asks me if I have a condom. I don't, neither does she. By then, we're both too tired to get one, the next thing I know I'm waking up at about 10AM. We both wake up together, and she gets dressed, leaves her number and asks me to dinner that night. I said I would call her, and she leaves.

This is already a novel, so I'll end it here. To be continued.

Quick question though: Any other mongering clubs like Spicy out there these days?

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Please do continue.....great writing style...........

this part 2 to the previous post i wrote. i went out 2 days later from my previous post.

stop #1 star xix

i arrived at around 10pm. this place was really crowded. there must have been about 20-25 guys, and about 10 girls. i saw a really young-looking girl with bigger than average tits, but she was snatched by a fellow monger before i could even get eye contact. most of the girls were 4-6's. other than the young busty girl, nothing really to write about here. remember from my last post, when i go into a go-go or mp, i'm looking for something "aberrant".

stop #2 foxy lady

in contrast to star xix, this place was dead. only about 3 other customers, but about 10 girls. there were a couple of 7's in the mix, but nothing higher. i spent about 30 minutes there, and in that time i saw 2 really attractive girls come through the door, it seemed evident they were just returning from a fuck session. i was minorly tempted, but there's something about getting a girl knowing that she was just freshly fucked. i'm sure you can relate. for the go-go's, i would recommend getting there just after opening to get the best selection with no leftovers. after my 115 baht beer, i moved on.

stop #3 bubbles (again)

for lack of any better options, i took a 50 baht tuk tuk to bubbles. since it was a monday, this place was definitely much less crowded than the previous saturday i was there. immediately, i spotted the girl i had written previously about who "waved off" every guy that came at her. she was doing her same thing, just dancing away with several beers at her table. tonight, she was with 2 other friends. when she saw me, she smiled and raised her glass at me. i smiled back and gestured to her as if, can i join you? then, she repeated her signature hand wave (*****). i saw the same thing repeated twice with other guys as well (1 thai guy, 1 older farang guy). at this point, i still couldn't figure this girl out. i'm wondering if she comes to bubbles every night as a quasi-employee just to add some female flesh and dance. or, was she just a hardcore partier that likes to drink? again, as far as i can tell, she has an okay body. her attire isn't provocative at all, in fact, she dresses pretty conservative. but she has a great angelic face. after scoping out the girls, i didn't find anything that interested me. i moved on the bread and butter: spicy (what would chiang mai farang mongers do without spicy? )

stop #4 spicy

i get there a little early (around 1:40am). if i'm early, my usual strategy is to scope the place out first, and then take a seat by the door inside the club to take a look at all the incoming girls. as i reach the dance floor, there i see the same hand waiving girl dancing and putting down the beers. i avoid her and circle back and find a seat that direcly faces the front door so i can check out all the girls that come in. next to me, i see a girl dressed in business casual type of attire (strange). we clink glasses and start to talk. her friend comes by and we start to dance right there. at this point, i'm getting pretty drunk. i excuse myself and go to the bathroom to take one of those glorious beer pisses that feel so good. i give a "don't fuckin touch me" look to the thai dudes that work the bathrooms and will often massage you as you're pissin, then hand you a raunchy towel asking for tip. anyways, feeling very confident and good about myself, i see the hand waiving girl, and decide to give it one more shot. i cooly slide myself next to her and start dancing. i'm not sure what did it, (my new chest isolation dance move, or the alcohol that had already gone to her head), but she clinks glasses with me and gives me sip of her beer (good sign! ). we proceed to dance and dance. it's pretty evident that both of us are pretty drunk. we start to grind, and her friends start to giggle. before i know it, i make a move to her lips and we're dfk'ing (yes! ). dirty dancing, drinking, and dfk'ing. this goes on for about 2 hours! very fun, very nice. then, this is where the confusion comes in, i'm hoping you guys can give me your opinions. i keep asking her, "hotel? ". she keeps looking at her watch and says, 30 more minutes, 20 more minutes and so on. it seemed that she was "on the clock" or required to stay until a certain time. this again led me to believe that maybe she is hired by the clubs to "just be there" and dance. i noticed that she didn't pay for any of her drinks. finally, at around 4:50am, she leads me by the hand outside. she gives me her number, dfk's me the for the last time and and hops on a tuk tuk. i speak conversational thai, and she says that she needs to go home alone and repeats her request to the driver. i give her a confused look, she motions for me to call her tomorrow, and speeds off leaving me with my hard dick is in my hand. i haven't called her yet, i'm wondering what my next move should be.

i go back inside, and now i'm panicked, the pickings are a bit slim. i find what i think is the last girl not with a guy and luckily she's about a 6. minorly attractive, thin, small tits. she immediately puts her arms around me and we leave the club. she has a few other friends and we get on a tuk tuk.

stop #5 lucky bar

this is where it gets wierd. as we're about to enter into the bar that appeared to be packed, another chick starts a major argument with the girl that i just picked up at spicy. lots of finger pointing and yelling. friends start to coach my girl to say sorry and "y". it's starts getting a little pushy and i decide to intervene and usher the girl i just picked up back to the tuk tuk. we get out of there and onto my hotel. i'm super horny, and just want to fuck this girl. but then while we're on our way to the hotel she starts to cry cry cry. geez. we get to the hotel and she wants to eat. i just want to fuck her, i definitely don't want her to stay. but unfortunately, she's an emotional wreck. i won't go into the details, but there was no fucking.

anyone ever go to lucky bar after 5am? i didn't get inside, but it seemed like a nice after hours spot.

to be continued.

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[QUOTE=Asian John] and she a puffy rip scar from her pussy to her asshole. [/QUOTE]
That is disgusting! You've got a strong stomach, bro. I've kicked so many girls out of my room b/c they withheld the fact that they are mothers. I ain't a MF, but to each his own!

[QUOTE=Fanfan]
Do you know Ramings Lodge? Any opinion?
[/QUOTE]
I have stayd there twice and can warmly recommend it
Great rooms, free in-room WLAN, totally GF.
When my TGF first came to see me, I announced it to the bell captain beforehand and gave him 100THB.
He then brought her to my room personally and all the staff subsequently treated her as my "wife".
I plan to be there again in February, alas without my GF.

I too can warmly endorse the Raming Lodge.

Have booked a room at raming lodge for feb 2 and 3. Glad to hear it is decent place. If interested in getting together for a beer PM me.
Mackin

Been on the USA side for a bit, and have been marginally successful with my very limited mongering (very much a novice) in the world, but Thailand is a different creature and wanted to know if anyone was going to be in Chiang Mai around Jan 4th - Jan 9th.

Ciao,

SS

Heading back to CM next month, would not have even gone there but last time in Thailand BKK airport was closed. Glad I did. Anyone know beer bars around Raming hotel? Been to Pattaya, BKK, and Samui enough and got a bg in CM but only been there a day so looking for some options since I get there at 00: 30 on a Wednesday.

[QUOTE=Oharris]Heading back to CM next month, would not have even gone there but last time in Thailand BKK airport was closed. Glad I did. Anyone know beer bars around Raming hotel? Been to Pattaya, BKK, and Samui enough and got a bg in CM but only been there a day so looking for some options since I get there at 00: 30 on a Wednesday.[/QUOTE]

Anywhere you go from that place you will step into a bar. Left and right. Butterfly has some new talent. Linda Bar been pretty busy. But no lookers that I saw. Maybe they got BF'd early. Saw a stunner in BaBaBoBo the other night. No 1 Bar the girls are asking 2000Bht LT with a 500Bht bar fine. Some good looking ones there. And a word of warning a few VERY young ones.
Boxing Ring Bars have some good ones over the weeknd with not so many customers. Head to the back of the ring for better looking yings. But not all go with customers. So ask 1st.

[QUOTE=Mackin]Have booked a room at raming lodge for feb 2 and 3. Glad to hear it is decent place.

Mackin[/QUOTE]I contact with the hotels and they reply they charge 500BTH for ovenight quest.

Any more decent hotels in this area with free intrnet connection and no joiner fee?

Thx

Asian John, I posted those 2 reports in the "ROD" thread.

Cheers!

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Anyone stay at Downtown Inn hotel?

They charge extra for overnight quest?

Thanx

[QUOTE=Noman2]I contact with the hotels and they reply they charge 500BTH for ovenight quest.

Any more decent hotels in this area with free intrnet connection and no joiner fee?

Thx[/QUOTE]I stay at the Raming Lodge regularly and occasionally at the D2. If you ask about "Joining Fees" many hotels will charge you extra. Simply book the room for two people and then you don't have to worry about joining fees.

d cap, Do you know anything about a minunum stay during the comming weeks at Raming lodge
Mackin

I've been in CM for a day, and just went out exploring a little last night (went to Cherry).

I didn't really do anything my first day, but at this point I have a few questions. I have searched this thread already a little bit just to fill in the blanks, but I apologize if there were some juicy tidbits already posted that I may have missed:

Firstly, I am staying at a very nice hotel that I don't believe will allow me to bring girls back (and I think I wouldn't want to anyway).

If I'm at Cherry, Star XiX, Spotlight or any of those bars in that area, where are some decent (maybe even "nice"), but cheap hotels that we could stop at? (and since I'm already at a hotel, it may not need to be for a whole night, unless that's typically the best way to do it).

Secondly, there were a few other places I wanted to hit up tonight but I have yet to find a location for them, but they were mentioned positively on this thread a few times. Lucky Massage and Kanha Karaoke. Webtites, address, or any up to date info on them would be much appreciated.

Lastly, I'm open to any other tips that I should know about with any of the previously mentioned places (Cherry, Star, Spicy, Lucky Massage, Kanha Karaoke, Spotlight). Particularly in regards to good prices (although I have gotten some of that already just from searching).

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Orokosaki]

If I'm at Cherry, Star XiX, Spotlight or any of those bars in that area, where are some decent (maybe even "nice"), but cheap hotels that we could stop at? (and since I'm already at a hotel, it may not need to be for a whole night, unless that's typically the best way to do it).
[/QUOTE]

From my experiences at Star XiX, if you don't have a place/hotel room to take the girl for ST, she will ask you to go with her to Bau Tong Lodge around the corner on Soi 3 off Loi Kroh Rd. It will cost you an additional 350 baht for the room for about 1hr.

The other option a bit further down the same soi is 300 baht room but DO NOT go to that place. It has roaches and is filthy. One time Bau Tong Lodge was full and we ended up at this place...it is not a place you want to do the deed.

Bau Tong Lodge is a clean, boutique style and is above decent. Someone stayed there LT and wrote about it recently...you can do a search.

Not sure where Foxy or Spotlight girls will take you for ST but you can always check out Bau Tong Lodge during the day, pick up a business card and then take a gal there. In fact, if you plan on doing multiples in one night, you might even consider booking a room for the night instead of paying 350 per gal/visit. ;-)

Enjoy Chiang Mai and report back on your adventures!

[QUOTE=Chedi]In fact, if you plan on doing multiples in one night, you might even consider booking a room for the night instead of paying 350 per gal/visit. ;-)[/QUOTE]

I was going to suggest the same thing. The room can't be more than 1k per night so you're better off booking for the night.

[QUOTE=Chedi]From my experiences at Star XiX, if you don't have a place/hotel room to take the girl for ST, she will ask you to go with her to Bau Tong Lodge around the corner on Soi 3 off Loi Kroh Rd. It will cost you an additional 350 baht for the room for about 1hr.

The other option a bit further down the same soi is 300 baht room but DO NOT go to that place. It has roaches and is filthy. One time Bau Tong Lodge was full and we ended up at this place...it is not a place you want to do the deed.[/QUOTE]

Hehe, right on. We were on our way to the Lodge (the girl gave me a choice and recommended it), but met another couple of lovebirds coming back from there, I guess the girl said it was full, so we all companionably went back to the cheap place. 200 baht, by the way. I saw far more roaches in Penthouse hotel in Pattayaland.

Star XiX was not much fun. There's a strange western miasma of guilt hanging over Chiang Mai .. well, at least the western-type places I saw last night. I'll try and get to the karaoke scene a bit later in the week. Still, the girl didn't let it get to her too much. She showed me the goods in the bar and let me maul her a bit. I liked the way she handled. Broken in, as it were. Before her, while she was still onstage, I bought a drink (80 baht) for a girl with a prettier face, who buzzed off to the toilet or whatever within a minute or two. Attitudes overall make slaughterhouse coolies seem cheerful by comparison.

My girl was not prime quality by a long shot, but definitely satisfying in a base way. I could carry her and fuck her in the mirror. Sounded to me like she said she's from a tribe called Wha. Khon Wha. Wha-tever. I paid her 1500 shorttime, but she's probably worth around 600. At the time she seemed like a worthwhile charity though.

Walked back, around Thapae Gate there were two specimens crouched in the shadows on the road on the inside of the gate, and a few likely-looking candidates on the traffic island on the outside. The shadowy specimens spoke to me from the brick they were squatting on. I wasn't interested so didn't bother with prices.

Songtow driver on the way back offered me some of his bananas and a karaoke tour. May be worth a 100 baht or so. But don't know if it's worth the effort of talking with him.

Anything you guys would like me to check out if I get a chance?

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I paid her 1500 shorttime, but she's probably worth around 600. At the time she seemed like a worthwhile charity though. [/QUOTE]

1500 is too much but 600 sounds very low.

1000 is a nice price and you can get good value for money ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]1500 is too much but 600 sounds very low.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I didn't mean I'd actually offer her 600 ;) I just meant that she's a bit scuffed.

As a public service I can confirm that there is still a *****house or two operating on the soi off Nimanhemin Road. Previous directions in this thread from a few years back are spot on. The weird thing is that just around the corner is modern, stylish Chiang Mai, trendy bars, happy young Thai people. But enter the *****house and you're transported to a dingy twilight zone where time has stood still for a decade or two. There were three or four girls sitting around. Just as many soi dogs, equally at home. While I was having a beer, customers (young Thai guys) arrived, chatted, and went off with them into the back rooms. (Not with the dog dogs, of course.)

A stocky woman in her late thirties pounced on me and forcibly brought home to me what it feels like for a girl being pawed without regard to personal boundaries, by an uncouth pushy smoker with hard hands. You should all try this, for the sake of empathy. I tried my best to act the part, like a coyote girl who is disgusted and wants to keep her distance, but doesn't want to offend the customer.

I would rather wash floors than see any of these women naked.

After that I walked off in the direction of Santitham Road. I was just off Huay Kaew Road on some dark soi when someone on a motocy called me. It was the ***** who had been pawing me, hailing me like a long-lost friend! She gave me a lift to Santitham, she lives in a place on one of the side sois. She offered me longtime for 500 baht. Thanks but no thanks.

Santitham was the most Thai-feeling area that I've been to in Chiang Mai. I walked to the end of the lit part of the road and took a soi on the left. There's a quite a complex of trendy, clean, well-lit bars with more young Thais enjoying a wholesome good time. On the way back on the next soi down, looking back, I spotted the famiiar fairylights of loso entertainment. Turns out to be 99 Karaoke. Looks like the karaokes in Chiang Mai are all numbered.

I was greeted by almost complete indifference. After a few minutes a mamasan came to sell me a beer. There were about 15 free girls sitting around, another 5 or 6 seated with customers, and more coming and going, but no one looked in my direction. After about half a slow beer, a young papasan finally came up to chat, visibly relieved that I could stumble along in Thai, and we organized a shorttime within a minute or two. I don't think they're really unfriendly, they just don't want to be bothered with some inarticulate farang. Maybe they had bad experiences with farangs before.

I was OK with the puying he brought, petite and polite, 21 years old. Price was 1200 including room and 5 minute motocy ride to and fro the drive-in hotel, which is probably about double what it should be. But service was pitiful. Not unfriendly, but I really felt pity for the hapless little single mother doing her best so earnestly and awkwardly.

A 500 baht night with the old girl would probably have been pure gold for a monger without my silly fixation on youth and the transient illusion of beauty.

Rocksoff,

Nice Report

I find the old saying to be so true. We farang are too impatient to search and seek out what we really are looking for. Rather, we jump to quick later justifying ourselves with a positive critique. I have tried and tried to enjoy a few beers relax and take my time. If I follow my own rules usually another Miss Thailand will cross my path. Really, how long does it take? In a land where there are so many gorgeous women all with a smile and willing to please.

Opps there goes another one... got to go now...

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]As a public service I can confirm that there is still a *****house or two operating on the soi off Nimanhemin Road. Previous directions in this thread from a few years back are spot on. The weird thing is that just around the corner is modern, stylish Chiang Mai, trendy bars, happy young Thai people. But enter the *****house and you're transported to a dingy twilight zone where time has stood still for a decade or two. There were three or four girls sitting around. Just as many soi dogs, equally at home. While I was having a beer, customers (young Thai guys) arrived, chatted, and went off with them into the back rooms. (Not with the dog dogs, of course.)

A stocky woman in her late thirties pounced on me and forcibly brought home to me what it feels like for a girl being pawed without regard to personal boundaries, by an uncouth pushy smoker with hard hands. You should all try this, for the sake of empathy. I tried my best to act the part, like a coyote girl who is disgusted and wants to keep her distance, but doesn't want to offend the customer.

I would rather wash floors than see any of these women naked.

After that I walked off in the direction of Santitham Road. I was just off Huay Kaew Road on some dark soi when someone on a motocy called me. It was the ***** who had been pawing me, hailing me like a long-lost friend! She gave me a lift to Santitham, she lives in a place on one of the side sois. She offered me longtime for 500 baht. Thanks but no thanks.

Santitham was the most Thai-feeling area that I've been to in Chiang Mai. I walked to the end of the lit part of the road and took a soi on the left. There's a quite a complex of trendy, clean, well-lit bars with more young Thais enjoying a wholesome good time. On the way back on the next soi down, looking back, I spotted the famiiar fairylights of loso entertainment. Turns out to be 99 Karaoke. Looks like the karaokes in Chiang Mai are all numbered.

I was greeted by almost complete indifference. After a few minutes a mamasan came to sell me a beer. There were about 15 free girls sitting around, another 5 or 6 seated with customers, and more coming and going, but no one looked in my direction. After about half a slow beer, a young papasan finally came up to chat, visibly relieved that I could stumble along in Thai, and we organized a shorttime within a minute or two. I don't think they're really unfriendly, they just don't want to be bothered with some inarticulate farang. Maybe they had bad experiences with farangs before.

I was OK with the puying he brought, petite and polite, 21 years old. Price was 1200 including room and 5 minute motocy ride to and fro the drive-in hotel, which is probably about double what it should be. But service was pitiful. Not unfriendly, but I really felt pity for the hapless little single mother doing her best so earnestly and awkwardly.

A 500 baht night with the old girl would probably have been pure gold for a monger without my silly fixation on youth and the transient illusion of beauty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vinny_Viagra]I find the old saying to be so true. We farang are too impatient to search and seek out what we really are looking for. Rather, we jump to quick later justifying ourselves with a positive critique.[/QUOTE]

Yo Vinny .. you sound like you have a point, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.

I realize my report largely characterizes myself, but I hope others may find it useful in matching what they put in to what they get out ..

Since that report I've been walking all over the place in Chiang Mai .. I found Pandora, but not Sayuri (didn't carry my printouts ..). One girl looked yummy but glum. Prices ranged from 1500 to 2100. I found numerous KTVs, more glitzy than 99, but much more expensive .. typically 200 per girl per hour, 200 room, 200 service charge, 120 for a beer, 40 for mixers .. so you can easily be out about 1000 with no guaranteed return. I tried a couple of the cheaper ones in Chiangmailand Road and sat holding hands in the dark .. anything more was rebuffed. Super lame. Better thai language and a positive attitude may do wonders. And of course going Asian style with some friends may be great for all I know. I'm not sure I'll find out.

There was one I liked. Just around the corner of the first soi off Chiangmailand, to the right. Sign shows a heart. Very unpretentious place, but it was perfectly comfortable. Bill was only 440 after an hour, with a small bottle of Sangsom and a friendly little **** with sharp northern features. She didn't want to drink alcohol, but I can sympathize with that .. (Of course I don't mean to denigrate her by calling her a ****, I just want to convey that she allowed me to grope her.) She actually protested when I gave her a 40 baht tip on the way out, saying it's not necessary.

On my way back, walking along Chan Klang Road, a mamasan at Vegas KTV offered me VIP room for 3 hours with free mixers for 3000 baht. I think this was all in, and a well-padded young pretty was coiled around me like a python -- more friendly than most of these places. Might have been a good deal if I was feeling human.

After that I went to Spicy where I checked out the human zoo for a few hours until about 3:30am. They let me take my Sangsom in but charged me 150 for it. Would have be great to share it, but I guess I looked like a vampire. Some FL but they won't come right up to you. Also lots of backpackers. One dickhead started punching another and had to be restrained by friends. Girls not amused. One of the interesting couples was a serious-looking short-haired tomboy dressed to look about 15 cuddling with a sexy thai woman in high heels, looking about 35.

Along both sides of the eastern north-south moat there is a sprinkling of streetworkers that time of the morning, but they look pretty rough. Most stand under a streetlights in clusters of three or four, but one was squatting against the wall. Shivering and miserable, smoking a broken cigarette. We chatted for a bit. She didn't look hard, just really mai sabai ..

Based on a note from Nick, I was searching for Anzu Fashion massage, I had a walk till the hospital past the night market at the end off Chang klan Rd near China town but there was nothing to find that looks like a MP, later on I went in the other direction from Chang klan Rd. A long walk actually and there it was.

ANZU is past the Memorial hospital and is not open yet, looks like a old karaoke place since the big sign with girl pictures on the roof is the same as I have seen at other karaoke places, the panel just above the door looks new and say’s Fashion massage, the cement benches outside en inside are new, a lot of dust everywhere and inside and it looks like no one as been in the place for weeks, they must have stopped the renovation works.

But, I have find a excellent Akasuri MP, will get back on that one later when I have a bit more PC time.

JE

Relax express, its below the Centara Duangtawan hotel, going from Mc Donald’s straight ahead in to Suriwongse Rd, and its 200m on your left before the hotel entrance, I took the 1 hour oil massage at 400thb to try out the service (700Thb /2h), Mrs John was with me this time for a change, have to careful now, we get our shoes off and I went back to the front desk to ask for a separate room to get my chance on extra service. The girl told me that would cost additionally 100Thb for a separate room, What? , I could not pull back as Mrs. Was already on here way to the room, looks like the management takes a fee or commission on the extras.

I had lady nr 30, she was average looking, massage is not on a table but the floor mattress same as for Thai massage and it was no big deal at all, few basic movements and lot of oil using, no shower in the room, she was looking in my eyes while massaging a bit in the territory of John Junior and the usual question came, I was not interested in FS or so with here so asked the price for HJ sine I needed it desperately, she quoted 1000 thb, NO way I told here I work in BK and know al prices pretty well, I offered 400, she came with 500, I kept the 400 as a principle since the front desk took already 100thb out of me, I am not a cheap Charlie but don’t like to be treated like a fool. HJ was reasonable and after the shot a bit cleaning up and done.

It was very cold inside the small room, I was freezing away, the name Relax does not honour the name of the place, the Express part yes, as soon as HJ was over, a little bit pulling and punching on my arms and game over.

Conclusion is that you can get the same service and extras in any small MP in the area for half the money.

Important note, they charged also a 100Thb extra for Mrs here separate room and she surely did not go for extra’s. She did not like the massage at all and would never go back, so I had to find better options, will see.

JE

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[QUOTE=John Euro]
But, I have find a excellent Akasuri MP, will get back on that one later when I have a bit more PC time.

JE[/QUOTE]

Wow, can't wait to hear about this one.

This is a interesting story and nice to discover somthing new

It is next to Chiang Mai plaza hotel, when walking from Chang klan Rd towards the Chedi on the river it’s the first little street right just after the CMI plaza parking lot, the MP is next to a Japanese restaurant, there is a new sign at the street corner saying Thai & Oil massar, yes massar, something must have been lost in translation as the manager does not speak any English at all, only the word. Massar and price, no way to combine 2 words, same problem with the girl behind the desk, the menu is in Japanese and the only thing I could read was Akasuri + Thai 1 hour 350thb – 500 thb or 150min Akasuri + Thai + Oil 750thb, there are a few more things on it but he could not explain to me what is was. It is clear that it’s done for the pure Japanese clientele, can’t go wrong I thought. Place is actually very new and run by the same owner from the next door Jap restaurant.

The young girl from the reception guided me upstairs to the lockers, all very clean and recently painted, she was waiting for me outside the lockers and took me to the wet area, a table with plastic cover as at Sazanka, face down on the table and she started with the body wash with a very special soap, now when I look back at all the years I have spend in Asia, visiting so many straight (or not so) Akasui or soapy Spas, even in Chinese hotels where you get a back rub etc, this must be one of the best washed I ever had. She did it so intensively covering ever square centimetre at least 3 times, the attention and clean up for Junior was more than needed but I liked it, I had already the impression that there was more coming afterwards (optional of course), I have never been able to clean my junior as she did it and I am good at it.

All this took like 45 minutes, the parts from your body where she was not working on are covered with a double folded towel where she pours permanently hot water over to keep you warm, the area was not cold but at good relax temperature. The girl here uniform was soaking wet at the end. When the job was done I told here that I go many times to Akasuri in BK, she said with a big smile, ha yes, sexy Akasuri, I said yes and she asked in Japanese right away if I would have a HJ, pointing to John Junior and making a jerking movement, asked how much, she said 500, OK, deal done.

She guided me to a room all the way at another floor, mattress on the floor where here toolbox was already beside it, she took junior in here hand and trow some thick dark oil on top of it, could have been easily gearbox oil. Must recon that she knows what she was doing with a lot of teasing in the lower area till the final shot came. I was very satisfied and J Junior also, he went asleep immediately. I prefer the HJ done at the end from the massage for obvious reasons but thought, it is what it is, will see. She asked for the tip now and guided me to the lockers to get paid, then she moved me in to another room and disappeared, 5 minutes later an older lady showed up and told me she was there for the massage, explaining me that the young kid does only the wash and all others the massage.

I was so clean that I opted for Thai massage with pyjama for not having some oil on my body, she as good massage skills but after a wile when I was laying face down she asked me – did AN take well care of you? " I know what she was trying to know and told here that AN as given me a very good wash to cut of the final question. Few minutes later she told me to remove the lower part from the Pyjama, starts using a some oil and a nice bit of teasing, of course having in mind she could sell me some extra HJ, telling me, you strong European men etc, I just let here doing the normal job and I did not react much on it but I had again a hard one without any problem. I did not for a second HJ but for sure this must have been confusing for here.

I think that the little girl runs away with all the extra money, never believe that they share the tip if AN does the wet and hard job.

When I paid the bill there was a little misunderstanding, its 1h massage for 200thb + the Akasuri and all together it was 550thb to the manager + tip for the girls, it was well spend money. Will I go back, yes for sure, can’t wait.

So, NICK, get on a flight as quick as possible

John

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, can't wait to hear about this one.[/QUOTE]Nick,

You get it right now. Mrs is gone shopping with my credit card so gave me time to catch up with reports.

Have fun

Thanks a lot JE, I will try this place for sure next time I am in CM

[QUOTE=John Euro]The girl told me that would cost additionally 100Thb for a separate room, What? , I could not pull back as Mrs. Was already on here way to the room, looks like the management takes a fee or commission on the extras. [/quote]John Euro, I don't think management takes a fee or commission on the extras. For 400 baht / per hour, a customer gets a mattress pad that's separated by curtains only. You could be in a room with up to 8 or 10 other people. For 500 baht / per hour, a customer gets a private room. This is not a commission to cheat you, or for management to "take a cut".- it's an additional fee to get some privacy and a little more real estate. Some people that are NOT looking for extras might enjoy the private room due to modesty, a more relaxed feel, or less chatter.

However, let me tell you, us mongers should appreciate the private massage rooms. Curtain separation at massage joints leaves the Thai girl pretty inhibited (generally, there are exceptions of course). But I've had some pretty erotic experiences at Relax Express in those private rooms.- some sexual encounters that DEFINITELY wouldn't have taken place if my Thai girl masseuse only had curtains to separate herself from other employees and other customers.

Relax Express is a lot cleaner when compared to other massage joints that charge 200-300 baht per hour. In fact, most of them are heinous. Relax Express is pretty clean, with cleaner towels.- thus the 400 baht per hour price (comparable). Of course, the private room is 500 baht.

I think Relax Express breaks down like this (I've been there about 15 times):

1. You can't pick your woman (unlike OT massage).

2. The women are generally older; but a few young ones work there too. One of the masseuses once told me that 30-40 girls rotate shifts.

3. Hit or miss.- some will only give a HJ, some will give an amazing HJ, some will go ALL the way GFE/MILF style, some are very sensual in every way, some are pretty old and the mere thought of them touching your genitals makes you cringe.

4. Go to Relax Express expecting a average to good massage, in a pretty clean place, with an above average (most of the time) HJ. However, about 25% of the time in my experience, you'll get a firecracker that will do most of anything to please you.

5. Spend the extra 100 baht and get the private room (if you're interested in the possibility of the last sentence of #4 above).

John Euro, wow, getting "extra's" with the Mrs. In the same massage parlor, impressive. However, I think I remember reading in this Chiang Mai thread of a guy getting a HJ only separated by a CURTAIN from his wife. I think he mentioned the masseuses were "in on it" and were trying to keep things quiet, or her distracted, or something. It almost seems like porn movie material

Thanks for your report John Euro, keep them coming.

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Most of my experience with Relax Express is similar to AsianJohn's. I started going there mainly because it was above par clean and a decent HJ from a decent looking gal was pretty much guaranteed.

An additional 100 baht for the private room (more-like medium size walk-in closet with same floor mattress) is a normal house fee at Relax. The few times I opted for the private room, I got the same service i would have gotten from the curtain arrangement so I usually don't opt for it anymore. However, as mentioned, I believe it really does depend on the gal you get and rapport you have with her that you may indeed get more in a pvt room.

If your on a tight budget or want a different environment...you can also try the smaller, less decor Relax Express around the corner across from the Imperial Mai Ping Hotel. It's 350 for an oily and the gals hop between the two places and the 4th floor Central Daungtawan gym.

[QUOTE=Asian John]
1. You can't pick your woman (unlike OT massage).
[/QUOTE]

You can't pick out of a fishbowl but you can request to see the photo album of gals at the counter. It doesn't include pics of all the gals but will at least get you in the right direction as far as picking a gal to your liking. Also, if you get a gal that gives you memorable service...ask what her number is so you can request her next time or include in reports.

For better or worse, I usually don't choose and enjoy seeing what gal comes around the curtain.

Good Chiang Mai reports lately...thanks and keep it up!

[QUOTE=Asian John]John Euro, I don't think management takes a fee or commission on the extras. For 400 baht / per hour, a customer gets a mattress[/QUOTE]My Remark on the 100thb commission for the manager was LOL of course, should have ad these 3 letters LOL on it to avoid confusion but I understand your remark, but at lest it surprised me at that spot.

I am not new in this massage business and have been in so many places for massage over so many years, even in de luxury or top straight ones, I have never been asked for a extra fee for having a separate room, some luxury MP’s ask it already at check in. When I am with Mrs we ask mostly for a separate room, our experience is that when only with 2 in a room the girls are talking to much to each other and pay less attention on the job, this explanation fits perfectly in my other extra plan of course, like to keep it that way. One of my tricks it when she ask for Thai, I go for oil or just opposite, than you are mainly sure about separate room due to table or mattress use.

You are right about the cleanness and towels, if you go in a barbershop for a 200thb / h you can't expect the same cleanness or quality, maybe I had a bad or average provider, just bad luck that’s why I made that comparison in total price. Bu you can't deny that it is freezing cold inside the room, that gives not a relax.

I agree with your 5 other points, If t was me I would go back but Mrs did not like the cold and below average massage, yes once in a wile we have to listen to there opinion as well, get back with another post on CMI

Having the HJ with only a curtain between the two of us as happen many times, even at golf course massage cubicles, this brings tension and gives even more satisfaction, I love it and the provide as also more pleasure out of it.

JE

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When travelling with Mrs on the trailer hitch, I have to follow her advice now and then, play the game by the rules and go with here to the better or upscale massage places because they look a bit more fancy and cleaner than the ones I take sometimes. We have been twice to Let’s Relax, I know this chain from visiting them before at CMI, Pattaya, BK, wile the one at Phuket is no big deal quality wise.

Time now to use my hard earned bonus point for being a good boy and I told here I want to hang out one more time at a Japanese Bath house (not for ladies, all men naked, back rob and scrub etc LOL) nothing wrong with that as she knows from my explanations that this are places for the Japs there good health and clean body. So big John on his way back to the Akasuri next to the CMI plaza.

My plan was to play the game a bit different now, I asked for the same massage lady as two days ago but she was out, Mgr. Told me, no ladies now, I had to come back in 30 min. No problem and I told the guy already what want later on, a Akasuri wash from AN and 1h oil massage from the previous provider I had. Looks like action starts only at 05. 00 pm.

When I came back at the MP, the two girls are already there and a bunch op Japs in the waiting room, first again the 45 min wash from AN, just outstanding, details have been in my previous report, you can't believe how much attention she paid on Junior this time she gave 4 times a wash and cleaning, pouring a lot of water over him, I almost came in here hands, shit, this was not where I was looking for since I wanted to hold the load for the massage part with the other older lady. At the end of the wash job, she asked met with a well-known sign if I wanted a HJ, I said not today, saying being to tired from shopping etc, BS of course, a surprising face, she must have thought it would have been a to asy wining 500thb this time.

Up to the next cubicle one floor lower, there was already a Jap guys in the next one and I clearly could here what was going on there, some girl was cleaning his lower part intensively, no doubts about that.

My provider started with giving my body a good oil massage and actually not much teasing this time, I did not understand it, such a difference with the session before, no questions about my Akasuri treatment or so, thought we will see what happen at the end. As a last part from the massage she asked me to sit up, placed here knees in my lower back and pulled me over so that belly and junior are up in the air, the towel disappeared due to the move and she could clearly see my tools, she grabbed my nipples, played a bit with them and told me massage is over.

me: what over now , don’t think , forgot most important part ( still up in the air ),
she :Big surprise on here face , did An did not give any extra , as last time?
me : no , I kept especially it for you .
she : sure , thanke yo – tanke yo (smile)
she : you give me good tip
me : yes for sure , but do slowly
she : yes slooowellly do me ok

She started with moving junior in a upright position with only a little oil, when that was done she moved here T shirt upwards, unhooked the bra and showed me some nice boobs, wow, she guided my right hand to the boobs as an invitation to play with them. Must recon, for here age, she had still a nice pair of boobs with firm nipples, she was very nice and friendly but not the kind of lady I would ask for FS (must be like half that age), for sure not the first HJ she gave, she as the experience, it took long time, sorry, this was my fold or maybe a bit on purpose. Finally I was very satisfied about the whole package. Cleaned up, paid here the 500, get dressed and left the place.

Good to see, on the mezzanine I saw one really old lady and 3 younger girls in the waiting area, same uniform, so if you have the luck to catch one of the younger girls for the massage maybe a bigger chance for better options.

Can’t check it further out since I am leaving Chiang Mai now.

John

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JE,

Great report again, you surely got me excited again about CM :)

Thanks to John Euro I went to Akasuri today, intrigued by his reports I was looking forward to some real wash&clean and a happy ending

I've actually been to that massage place, however a very legit place before. So kind of surprised to see all the constructional changes to the place. I got a cute little spinner which lead me to the lockers as described, undress and down to the washing area. This is a cheapo place, however. Water is water, and it was warm and nice The lady performed well and asked surely about if any extras was wanted. Her being rather cute and young I opt for her to undress. Which was no problem if I tip. So I told her 500, which I really don't think she expected cause she was truly excited. So she said we could go upstairs to the massage rooms and "play" there.

Dried up and went upstars, she stripped completely and I convinced her a DATY which made her extremly wet. I never thought I would do a DATY in a regular massage parlour, but she looked amazing when undressed and the little head took over my mind I am sure I could go all the way if I went back a couple of times. So for anyone who'd like an experience out of the normal in chiang mai, its pretty good. At least for a try!

So 350 + 500 is a good deal for a HJ and DATY if you ask me especially with her looks.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Thanks to John Euro I went to Akasuri today, intrigued by his reports I was looking forward to some real wash&clean and a happy ending
So 350 + 500 is a good deal for a HJ and DATY if you ask me especially with her looks.[/QUOTE]Richo,

Good to know you had a good experience, looks like I have paved the way for you a bit since you have been going a bit farther than me with that cute spinner, I was playing a bit with here, touching and trying to convince here to undress during the wash for not getting wet but now way, she pulled back out of the way of my hands, did not insist that much, the HJ proposal came only later when I said, I also like BK Akasuri where she replied, Ha you sexy Akasuri, you like HJ for 500thb? , so she knows the price, looks like you had a good value for money for the 500thb include the strip off, this must have been AN, round face with dark brown hair, well done mate.

If Akane or Sazanka in BK would give the same quality wash and Polish, it would be perfect

Up to Nick now and try to go for the full game with that girl.

John

Since I wasn't able to find directions to the massage parlors near the front of the thread, here is my contribution:

Sayuri
go east on Th Charoen Muang from the center of town over the bridge and the river (Mae Nam Ping river). The first left turn is to the bars along the river but continue straight to the next main intersection where there is a light. Turn left on Th Bamrungrat and go about 200-300 meters. Look for a 2x3 foot sign above the road on the left.

Prices were 2500 for M (models) and 2000 for B and non-lettered girls. There didn't seem to be any difference with and without the B because the papasan said they would all do body slide.

This place had the biggest selection: around 30 girls. We got girls here. I had a good session but my friend did not.

Pandora
Instead of turning left to Sayuri continue straight. It's off my map so I don't have the name of the street but turn left just after the Shell gas station on the right. Go 100-200 meters.

About 10-15 girls in the fishbowl. I didn't see anything great.

Prices are 1800 and 2000 baht

Ping Payom
4 Airport Road, Suthep Muang

on Suthep Road just west of Nimanhemin Rd. In between Chiang Mai University and Wat suandok. There is a Ping Payom market next door so you could ask a taxi to take you there.

Small fishbowl (less than 10 girls) and I forget the prices but I think they were under 2000

We found 3 gogo bars:

Spotlight
At the west end of Loi Kroh (before the moat/wall) turn right (north) on Th Chaiyaphum and go about 150 meters to find it on the right. Only 3 girls dancing.

Star Six/Star Sexy
Going east on Loi Kroh there is an arcade on the south side (on the right when walking towards the Night Bazaar) with a Thai boxing ring at the back (Boxing Ring Bars) and small many bars leading up to it. Go outside and to the right of the arcade and on the other side of the parking area you will see Star Sexy (the sign is big but not lit up). It is upstairs.

Cost is 150 baht to get in and that gives you one drink. It is dark and wonderfully sleezy inside. Unlike the other places the girls will approach you. They are very open (i.e. you can feel them up). 4 girls on stage.

My friend found a good choice here. Bar fine was 500 baht.

Foxy Lady
continuing east, go over the bridge and past the Centara Duangtawan. Past the 7 Eleven and before the Le Meridian turn to the left and go 300-400 meters and you will see the big neon sign.

4 girls on stage.

[QUOTE=JPF]Since I wasn't able to find directions to the massage parlors near the front of the thread, here is my contribution:

Sayuri
Prices were 2500 for M (models) and 2000 for B and non-lettered girls. There didn't seem to be any difference with and without the B because the papasan said they would all do body slide.

This place had the biggest selection: around 30 girls. We got girls here. I had a good session but my friend did not.[/quote]

Sayuri has many different Price Levels (which I posted earlier), a little reading would have avoided you paying a tourist price.
B models were priced 1,250 2 years ago so I guess they are at 1,500 now. and Models are probably around 2,000 - 2,500 (yes, that is possible).

Sayuri's girls are very lazy and just want to get you off as soon as possible so that they can go back to the Fishbowl and get more customers.

Papasan was wrong, B models only do Bodyslide, the others take you to a room with no air mattress.

[quote]Pandora

About 10-15 girls in the fishbowl. I didn't see anything great.

Prices are 1800 and 2000 baht[/quote]

Price for the regular girl is now 1,500 (1,400 2 years ago)
Service is better than Sayuri

[QUOTE=JPF]Since I wasn't able to find directions to the massage parlors near the front of the thread, here is my contribution:

Sayuri
go east on Th Charoen Muang from the center of town over the bridge and the river (Mae Nam Ping river). The first left turn is to the bars along the river but continue straight to the next main intersection where there is a light. Turn left on Th Bamrungrat and go about 200-300 meters. Look for a 2x3 foot sign above the road on the left.

Prices were 2500 for M (models) and 2000 for B and non-lettered girls. There didn't seem to be any difference with and without the B because the papasan said they would all do body slide.

This place had the biggest selection: around 30 girls. We got girls here. I had a good session but my friend did not.

Pandora
Instead of turning left to Sayuri continue straight. It's off my map so I don't have the name of the street but turn left just after the Shell gas station on the right. Go 100-200 meters.

About 10-15 girls in the fishbowl. I didn't see anything great.

Prices are 1800 and 2000 baht

Ping Payom
4 Airport Road, Suthep Muang

on Suthep Road just west of Nimanhemin Rd. In between Chiang Mai University and Wat suandok. There is a Ping Payom market next door so you could ask a taxi to take you there.

Small fishbowl (less than 10 girls) and I forget the prices but I think they were under 2000[/QUOTE]

Wow ! Surprising !

Pandora has got a lot more girls from the last time I was there. 2 wks ago. Usually, for the last year, they had no more than 7-8 in the line up. And Payom always has the most available. I have seen as many as 30-40 on a Friday night.
As far as prices ! Me thinks they were overcharging you
And you forgot CM Hills Hotel on Huey Kaeow Rd. Usually about 10-15 yings in the bowl.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]Wow ! Surprising !
And you forgot CM Hills Hotel on Huey Kaeow Rd. Usually about 10-15 yings in the bowl.[/QUOTE]

We did go to CM Hills Hotel but we were so turned around at that point that I couldn't write where it was so I left it out. There were about 8-10 girls in the fishbowl but no good lookers.

A couple of posts have mentioned Bau Tong as a useful ST hotel.

I hav stayed there for some time, and it is good value.

But beware that the front door is locked at midnight, and opened at 6 am. If you are booked in, you get a key.

I got the best room for 800 a night, discounted to 700. Very good value. Wifi in the room, and free terminals in the foyer. I think they are free)

gangles

[QUOTE=Gangles]A couple of posts have mentioned Bau Tong as a useful ST hotel.

I hav stayed there for some time, and it is good value.

But beware that the front door is locked at midnight, and opened at 6 am. If you are booked in, you get a key.

I got the best room for 800 a night, discounted to 700. Very good value. Wifi in the room, and free terminals in the foyer. I think they are free)

gangles[/QUOTE]

Not sure if many guys have discovered the "Adventure Hotel". It's on CM-Lamphun Rd just past the market "Nong Hoi. Right on the Super Hwy.
1st hr 300bht. 200bht thereafter. A theme hotel with the rooms having many different "Adventures". Mirrors, Cartoons, Beach style, and a few others. Clean, easy to get to, and yings enjoy the difference of it. Stand up showers and basic but fun.

Greed

Just spent a few nights in Chiang Mai. Stayed at the Meridien which is pretty nice but too close to the night market/McDonalds/Starbucks/etc. for my taste. Ended up in a corner studio room that has a large bathtub surrounded by windows with a view over the surrounding neighborhood. This turned out to be a good thing.

The important stuff – there’s plenty of opportunity here. I forget the names of all the establishments I visited.

Leave the Meridien and take a right, walk down the street a ways and you hit the C.M Plaza – a bunch of small bars. There might have been a couple of decent looking girls. Took one back to the hotel 1,000 baht, took a closer look, and sent her back. Gave her 500 for the trouble (I felt bad for her).

Further down the road there are more bars with a better selection. Go to the end, take a right, and there’s a go-go bar 100 meters or so down the road. A couple of nice looking dancers – I took one named Tip – 500 bar fine and 1000 2 hours. Her photo is attached. Tip is not very kinky but a great lover. She took a look at the bathtub and knew exactly what to do with it. Two thumbs up.

Prior to meeting Tip I went to a karaoke place named “Vegas”. There were a couple of really nice looking girls. The way it works is you give the man 300 baht, the mamason 300 baht, and pay 300 baht for a room (nothing but music and dancing in the room) and one girl for one hour 300 baht - 1200 baht total. Then you order over priced drinks and after an hour maybe the girl leaves with you. And I bet at that time they ask for more money. I didn’t like this set up and left. But a couple of the girls there were a cut above the girls I saw in all other establishments.

Met a girl while she was getting on her motorbike one after noon – very cute and slightly larger than your normal Thai girl. She's masseuse. Came to my room, and again, one look at the bath tub and five minutes later she was warming up the water, Such a nice girl – I never got a massage. She kissed me everywhere (Hagen Daz again?). Later on she showed me all around town on her scooter. It was great. Had some great food and a couple of cold beers on the river at a place named “Good View” (I think). She didn’t spend the night but came back the next morning to say “good bye” before my noon flight to Phuket. 1000 baht.

And I met a freebie here too. My first afternoon I’m walking back to the hotel thinking a place with a couple of ladies outside and a cold beer would be great. I’m almost back at the hotel and across the street at the outside café a couple of girls do a double take on me. I ask if I can join them for a drink and one thing leads to another. At dinner one left and the other stayed and we ended up in the room. I had to tell her to leave. And would have paid 1000 baht for her to leave – she got really annoying.

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[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]Not sure if many guys have discovered the "Adventure Hotel". It's on CM-Lamphun Rd just past the market "Nong Hoi. Right on the Super Hwy.

1st hr 300bht. 200bht thereafter. A theme hotel with the rooms having many different "Adventures". Mirrors, Cartoons, Beach style, and a few others. Clean, easy to get to, and yings enjoy the difference of it. Stand up showers and basic but fun.

Greed[/QUOTE]Yea, if you have a girl you think is good-looking and you enjoy fucking, then get the room with the mirrors! It's a great time.

Ivanba,

Great report. Is the Meridien hotel Girl Friendly?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Ivanba,

Great report. Is the Meridien hotel Girl Friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes - No problem at all. Everyone just smiles and welcomes you and your new friend. They even let them park their scooter for free in the underground garage.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Ivanba,

Great report. Is the Meridien hotel Girl Friendly?[/QUOTE]Nick, I think yes, I had twice a drink there, just check out this newly build Le Meridien and have seen several old fat Germans with young girls (definitely not there wife) walking straight to the elevator without any question from the staff, it located in the middle of the street action, if they refuse guy’s with Thai girls, they will quickly run out of new guests I think.

John,

yo dudes,

i am staying in the raming lodge, as per several recommendations on here.

first impressions were that this is definitely not a mongering hotel. lots of backpacker types, groups of middle aged women. large restaurant that i would have to walkmy tart past, but hopefully would be quieter later. hmmmmmm. still would save my judgement. no problems with room v nice, air con, good wifi etc. staff very friendly, much more friendly than the grande dynasty inn bangkok where they couldn't give a shit.

also got the impression that cm is not a mongering destination. i have never taken a girl from a beer bar or even been in one but think i may have to go tone here as there are seemingly so few gogos.

made an error tho when i checked in: was asked if the room was for 2 people and i stupidly said it was for one. oh well you live and learn and this did not effect me as it turned out.

headed straight to the pool. spotted a very hot brunette (white) girl sunning herself by the smallish pool, alone. more on her later.

after a snooze headed to spotlight which i had conveniently spotted in the taxi on the way. if you want to find it it is a 5 min walk and v easy: turn right out of the hotel, then right again at the end of the road where the moat is, and its about 50 metres along on your right.

was a small place, about 6 girls dancing, but 2 sets on rotation so maybe 12-15 girls in bikinis. couple of very young and cute looking ones, couple of big titted ones and the rest fairly average, but overall not bad at all. i think any monger could have found something to his taste. i arrived about 9. 15 and already there were a couple of tarts being barfined, so i would advise turning up early or be left with the dregs. there are not many booths (my preferred seating) so i had to sit by the stage which i don't like (this is what i call perverts row).

initially seemed to be a slightly dull atmosphere, but the place got busier after 45 mins or so and soon a couple of the dancers were smiling at me, and one of the school uniform girls (i. e waitresses) told me her friend (another waitress, not a gogo girl) fancied me but was shy and could she come talk to me. i dunno if this is the norm, but i had a look and she looked about 13 yrs old so i said i might talk later but for now wanted to be left alone.

quite fancied about 4 of the girls (2 innocent, 2 big tits) lots of eye contact but eventually was approached by 1 of the big titted ones who was different looking from the others, slightly piggy nose but nice hair. turned out she was chinese (? ), and had good english and sweet personality which is a must for me. lots of sitting on my knee, grinding. bought her 1 ladydrink to show willing. said she had a kid and her stomach indicated that this was the case but her hard tits (natural) made up for it. tried to suggest some video cam fun but she seemed shy and said she'd think about it. wanted 1500 for st, 2500 for lt, i didn't attempt to bargain as i hadn't deceided how long to take her for. in the end i gave in and took her (500 barfine), and we headed off on her scooter.

at the hotel expected to be asked for a joiner fee, but we snuck in furtively and got in the elevator without any interference. don't know if they just didn't see me or what but either way no joiner fee on this occassion. up at the room she was shy, turned most ofthe lights off and couldn't be cajoled into video. her rippled baby stomach was somewhat more noticeable out of the gloomy bar but it didn't bother me because her tits were amazing.

nonetheless she put in a stellar perfoemance, good covered bj (i don't do bbbj) with lots of noise, shagged her several ways and ended up oiling her tits up and spunking all over them. took at least 1. 5 hrs (at least i think so) with rests inbetween and was knackered in the end, so paid her 1500 and she left.

went walking next day and found the star six bar opposite the thai boxing place. to get there from raming: turn left, walk down the road quite far (maybe 150 metres) until you see the signs for thai boxing on your right, walk down the thin road and its on your right. tonight i intend to watch the boxing and then go across to star six and check it out.

as an aside, saw the white girl brunette again at the pool, again alone, but i ignored her for the most part ‘cos don’t want to look like i'm perving (tho of course i am! ). took a sneaky peek at the towel reservation list when i handed my towels back and think i identified her name, and i think she may be russian. have heard stories of russian birds on package holidays that want you to take them out. any thought on if i shud approach?

would love to meet any fellow mongerers for a beer as i feel a bit of a flid going to spicy disco on my own but really want to go. i may be in cm for another few days, maybe even a week as haven't decided next place to go to and the weather here is good. don't have pm, but if you want to express interest on this thread and i will give you my room number or we can arrange a meeting time and place. i will be by the pool tomorrow all afternoon wearing grey and orange shorts so come and say hello, if you want. you may address me as sir bumhead.

peace.

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A report on Star Six gogo bar. Hope this is the right name, is it StarSex? Anyway.

Headed out about 8. 30 ‘cos I wanted to watch the boxing at the boxing ring near Raming Lodge (turn left out of hotel, walk for 5 minutes, you will see signs for boxing on your right and lots of beer bars, star six is a big reddish building on your right, opposite the ring). Had arrived a bit early so parked myself at a bar near the ring and ordered a drink. Played a couple of the girls there at pool for about 45 mins. Neither was particularly good looking but I just wanted to chill for a bit. Talked to a couple of blokes, asked one what he thought of StarSix. He said he’d never been there at first, but later in the conversation said it was very very dark inside and that I would have to pay to get in. Hmmm ok mate of course you’ve never been there hahaha.

A couple of the girls at adjacent bars started to wave at me but they were quite far away so I couldn’t check their quality. A couple came over to talk to the girl I was playing pool with, clearly checking me out but nothing that got me hard. I also saw a bar that seemed to have a lot of ladyboys in it so be careful. From what I could tell the best talent seemed to be at the very back of the boxing ring (some big tits on display), but to be honest nothing really impressed me.

At this point, a question: are these establishments known as ‘beer bars’ I. E just normal bars where freelance girls go or is a beer bar something different? Do all the girls go with customers and do you have to pay a barfine? Forgive my ignorance as I only monger exclusively at gogo bars as I like to watch naked women.

Watched the boxing then paid up and went to star six at approx 10ish. Up the stairs and paid entry fee of 150 baht (if I remember correctly) which included a free drink.

Once inside the sleaziness was immense. It was indeed completely dark inside with minimal red lighting illuminating the stage area dimly, quite a few girls (maybe 15 or so) and about 4 lookers I’d say. No complete horrors but most girls were pretty average. I would say that it was slightly below the standard available in Spotlight but pretty similar. Many dark corners with booths where I imagine you could have got all sorts of things done to you.

There were only about 4 of us westerners in there, every one else seemed to be Asian (perhaps Chinese, Thai and Japanese). Virtually every customer had a girl with him, and I was approached maybe a dozen times in the first half hour or so to have a girl come and sit with me. I felt like a bit of a bastard for saying no but none of the girls appealed, and their approaches were not done aggressively (unlike at nana plaza bars in BKK et al.) and I declined them as graciously and kindly as I could with no problems. Another point to note, unlike at majority of gogos you have to pay up after each drink which is slightly annoying if you are like me and enjoy getting very pissed.

Spotted 2 likely candidates but they already had drinks bought by customers and were sitting with them so I kept my eyes on them as I enjoyed the dancing. The chicks aren’t naked and no titties on show by the way. Also I cannot emphasize how dark and dingey it is, it is very very dark and you may well end up with an ugly and get a nasty shock when you get her outside.

However, unlike at Spotlight where I was largely ignored for the first half hour or so at StarSix you will be constantly approached and groped and similarly you can feel up their tits and pussies as you wish, if that is your thing. I have to say I was surprised by the lack of westerners, but the ratio of customers to girls was good, I. E not too empty so you feel like all eyes are on you but not too busy so you can’t sit in a good spot. I also liked the fact that they had a smoking room so you don’t have to go outside.

Stayed maybe 2 hours getting nicely pissed and rebuffing the majority of girls who wanted drinks off me and was eventually approached by a girl who was above average but still not quite good enough. She started to squeeze my cock through my trousers and expressed shock (presumably flattery) at its size. This was rather pleasant and her English was good so I kept up the conversation and bought her a drink whilst keeping it up hahaha. I asked her how much she charged and she said 2500 for short time and 3500 for long time. I was like, what the hell why so expensive and that I know the prices and aint stupid. She said she was deliberately trying to put me off ‘cos my cock was too big for her and I was to young and therefore energetic (btw she let me feel up her hairy pussy) and she wanted to find an older asian customer as they had much smaller cocks, and we had a good laugh about that. She went on to say that her preferred clientele were Chinese as they had small cocks and could only last for 3 minutes, hence all the girls at StarSix would deliberately target the Chinese men! I appreciated her honesty in fact and was finding all of this rather amusing. I never asked any of the other girls their prices but I assume it would be the normal quotes from which a bargain could be struck.

However, after talking to her for a while I realized that my 2 preferred tarts had seemingly left with their customers and I was left with the dregs. Eventually I decided to cut my losses and head back to Spotlight gogo bar, feeling rather disappointed overall.

To conclude, I got the distinct impression that this was a spot for Asian customers rather than firang. Don’t get me wrong, there was no rudeness and the girls paid me a lot of attention (and I mean a lot) but I sensed an underlying vibe that is very hard for me to put into words. The waitress had difficulty understanding me and as a said, the firangs were in a minority. Maybe someone can put more eloquently what I am trying to say.

I would definitely recommend a visit, and I shall certainly return to try and check the couple of girls that were to my taste but do go early! This is far more of a ‘hands-on’ experience than Spotlight with a similar (if slightly lesser) standard of girl and possibly more girls than Spotlight. However, I wish they would improve the damn lighting!

My next report will be on Spotlight (again) where I ended up that night after leaving StarSix where I did eventually find a girl and had an excellent time! I am still looking for any fellow mongerers to go to Spicy Disco with so please express an interest in this forum and we can meet.

Peace.

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Another site described OT Massage as follows:

"OT massage is a dirty massage place where you can select from a good choice of young ladies with skilful hands. They are good at giving you a flirtatious and sensual oil rub down (600b all incl.), but draw the line at sex. It’s a bit seedy and satisfaction is variable. Near Pandoras, across an open lot in an old disused hotel."

I found this a bit inaccurate. The price for the massage does not include everything and wasn't particularly sensual. Oil massage was 500b, not 600. There is a fishbowl there. At 8pm on a Friday there were around 20 ladies. About half had blue numbers and a few had black numbers. Several had no numbers at all. Blue shows girls who do oil massage, and black shows girls who do Thai massage.

After looking for a bit, the papasan suggested number 22, which I went along with. He told me that 500b includes a 90 minute massage, but no extras. Bee, number 22 from Pai, was decent looking, but not a beauty. Maybe a 5. She gave a skilled massage, doing a bit more of a deep tissue massage than most other girls seemed capable of. She asked for 500b for HJ. Total price 1000B, all told. This is comparable to places like Relax Express in pricing.

OT Massage itself is on the second floor of a shabby hotel around the corner from Pandora's. There are no signs of any sort (at least ones in English I could read), so it took a little detective work for me. Should be much easier for you after you read this report. If you're heading away from the main street towards Pandora, just turn left when you reach Pandora and look for your first building on the left.

Or, even simpler, just stand in front of Pandoras and look for the nearest 7 story tall building. It's only 50 meters away -- you can't miss it.

From the lobby, approach the desk, then turn left. You'll find the stairs to the second floor before you get to the elevator.

The place is really run down with stained carpets. But at least you get a private room with your masseuse! I'm not sure if it's ever used as a hotel, or if OT Massage is the only business inside. I know there was a desk clerk on duty in the lobby, which leads me to think they might have rooms for the night. OT Massage had a sign saying they were open at 10am. I didn't ask to verify this was up to date.

" a question: are these establishments known as ‘beer bars’ I. E just normal bars where freelance girls go or is a beer bar something different? Do all the girls go with customers and do you have to pay a barfine? "

Sir Bumhead ??!! :-)

Yup, you pay a barfine. Most go with customers. Some of the young ones in the entrance are "Hello Girls" and do not go. Best to ask be4 you start buying them drinks.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]Another site described OT Massage as follows:

"OT massage is a dirty massage place where you can select from a good choice of young ladies with skilful hands. They are good at giving you a flirtatious and sensual oil rub down (600b all incl.), but draw the line at sex. It’s a bit seedy and satisfaction is variable. Near Pandoras, across an open lot in an old disused hotel. "

I found this a bit inaccurate. The price for the massage does not include everything and wasn't particularly sensual. Oil massage was 500b, not 600. There is a fishbowl there. At 8pm on a Friday there were around 20 ladies. About half had blue numbers and a few had black numbers. Several had no numbers at all. Blue shows girls who do oil massage, and black shows girls who do Thai massage.

After looking for a bit, the papasan suggested number 22, which I went along with. He told me that 500b includes a 90 minute massage, but no extras. Bee, number 22 from Pai, was decent looking, but not a beauty. Maybe a 5. She gave a skilled massage, doing a bit more of a deep tissue massage than most other girls seemed capable of. She asked for 500b for HJ. Total price 1000B, all told. This is comparable to places like Relax Express in pricing.

OT Massage itself is on the second floor of a shabby hotel around the corner from Pandora's. There are no signs of any sort (at least ones in English I could read), so it took a little detective work for me. Should be much easier for you after you read this report. If you're heading away from the main street towards Pandora, just turn left when you reach Pandora and look for your first building on the left.

Or, even simpler, just stand in front of Pandoras and look for the nearest 7 story tall building. It's only 50 meters away.- you can't miss it.

From the lobby, approach the desk, then turn left. You'll find the stairs to the second floor before you get to the elevator.

The place is really run down with stained carpets. But at least you get a private room with your masseuse! I'm not sure if it's ever used as a hotel, or if OT Massage is the only business inside. I know there was a desk clerk on duty in the lobby, which leads me to think they might have rooms for the night. OT Massage had a sign saying they were open at 10am. I didn't ask to verify this was up to date.[/QUOTE]OT is a disgraceful dump. It really is.

What you may find there however are many very pretty hilltribe girls that don't really want to go the full on bar girl or BKK soapie/oily route. Many are very cute, many are very nice, many are simply real for real girls desperately trying to get by without becoming full on hookers.

Take your time choosing, talk to the papa a bit, relax have a beer. When you book the girl in the little bowl, say you want the oil massage, this will mean "I want a handjob". Most of the girls there will not go the full sex thing, but will give you a HJ for 500B. In this case, you can meet and get to know super cute girls that are not full on P4P (Sayuri, Pandoras, Star 6, Foxy, etc.) Get their phone number, meet them later, go have a cheap dinner, stay out all night at a 'Suan Ahahn", have fun real for real girls that don't have multiple tramp stamps, and P4P hangups, etc.

Once you get to know one, you will meet many, the cute hilltribe girls (mostly Lisu) can become great friends that can take you places that you could/would never ever possibly know about, and can willingly become super adventurous bedtime partners.

Chiang Mai is a strange place. I don't live there any more, but OT was a fun departure from the standard stuff around town. Sleazy as hell, but fun nonetheless.

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Walked over to Loi Kroh last night with the intention of getting a bar girl for ST, but stopped for dinner first. After the meal, the lady (owner) asks me how long in Chaing mai, where I stay, and then room number! I say lets go talk. I ask her why, she says she needs money for restaurant rent. She's older (39), divorced 2 kids, but nice looking, and I'm thinking sex with a sexy girl who goes out with strangers a couple times a night and might or might not be good, or an obvious non-pro. So I take a chance. I tell her what I want, she asks what will I give her and I say 1000 for overnight.

The night turned out very well. She way too shy to shower together, but the shyness went away in bed.

Based on some positive reports on Akasuri I had to try it.

Specifically, I was curious to see if the "spinner" wash girls (that are much younger) than the massage ladies offer full-service.

I arrived on a Monday around 11AM. I was the only customer in the place. I asked for a wash and immediately the man turned around and shouted for "Ahn". I recognized the name from a previous post and was excited to see what she looked like. I was pleasantly surprised that she was definitely above average in looks.

She guided me to a changing area. I took all my clothes off and put on a robe. You put your clothes and valuables in a locker and you keep the key. After I changed, I noticed that she had changed into a skirt (yea!).

She then guided me to the table shower room. It was semi-dark. I got on the table with my stomach on the table. She started by pouring nice warm water over me and moving her hands in every crevice. She then took a pretty rough sponge (like steel wool!?), and proceeded to take a few layers of my dead skin off. I really didn't like the feeling of a used sponge being rubbed on me like that. Who knows what kind of skin viruses were in that thing, so I requested that she not use it. She smiled at me and then started to soap me up in every area of my body with just her hands. After a good rinse, she had me flip over, and more of the same with her hands and soap.

She gave my cock a nice soapie wash. At that moment, I started to feel her ass up underneath her skirt. She just giggled and started to jack me off a little. She started to busily wash my chest and stomach with her hands, which was a great time to just feel up her ass some more. She smiled into my eyes and then I moved to her tits. Then she grabbed my cock again and asked if I wanted a hand job. I said "Khap!" (which means "absolutely").

She grabbed a bottle and squeezed a huge serving of lube onto my cock and started to jack me off. I took this as an opportunity to grab her tits some more. I then moved my hand down to her ass and up to her pussy. She squealed a little especially when I moved around her panties and started to finger her. She pulled away once, but then I moved in again, and she was okay with it. She was really jacking me off. I then asked for boom-boom. She looked at me and said 3,000 baht!! I asked surprised and in Thai I said, "wow, that's expensive". I said 1,000 baht. She said, "no" and continued to jack me off. I thought negotiations came to an abrupt end, but then she countered with 2,000. I smiled and kissed her on the cheek and said, what about 1,500. She agreed.

She left me there, and came back shortly. I think she secured a place for us. I dried off, and she took me by the arm (literally), and rushed me off to a corner room almost in the dark. She left me there for about 5 minutes. She came back with a condom and started to undress. I was pretty surprised that she had a decent body, with a nice ass and waist. Her tits were a little small (young and pert though!), and her pussy was really hairy (long hairs!).

She was always looking at her watch and I could tell we were pressed for time. We had about 5 minutes of kissing and touching. She grabbed the condom and asked me if I wanted to use it...interesting question. Anyways, I put it on and we assumed the missionary position. She was a nice fuck. We did doggie for awhile, but I wanted to see her pretty face. We went back to missionary, and I came. Initially, I tried to pull away after I came, but she held me close for about 2-3 minutes.

Anyways, 1,500 was a bit high for a quick fuck, but I just couldn't resist...

Very nice report, I might just try this place but 1500 is VERY expensive for Chaing Mai... Especially for a quick fuck

I will be going to Chang Mai later this year. I have never been to CM before; although I have been to Bangkok of course and Pattaya. As I have gotten older, and being from a cooler climate (at least most of the time) the weather in Bankok and Pattaya has gotten to the point where it really beats me down. When I asked about an alternate location to monger in the world that was good like T-land but less hot (does anyone have any suggestions?) someone told me I should go to CM during the winter time which I guess I will prob. do. The recent posts mostly talk about women in establishments, are there any good places to meet freelancers, and if so, what is the going ST and LT rates for a freelancer in CM?

Johnniebravo,

I am sure you will find what you are looking for in CM. This is a more laid-back town, and you should just enjoy walking around, thinking "come what may". 300 meters up Loi Kroh Road from Night Market you will find CEP (Chiang Mai Entertainment Plaza), and longer up Loi Kroh Road you will meet freelancers too, but be aware of ladyboys! In Pornping Tower Hotel there is a discoteque (named Bubbles? ) and another hot spot (named Hot Spot? ) where you will meet freelancers as well.

I believe you will be well off with 1000 baht in Chiang Mai. Please report!

If you're still out past 2 am all the BGs and FLs go to Spicy (along the outside of the moat).

An offer of 500B has always been accepted to take em back to my condo for the rest of the night.

[QUOTE=Birds]Walked over to Loi Kroh last night with the intention of getting a bar girl for ST, but stopped for dinner first. After the meal, the lady (owner) asks me how long in Chaing mai, where I stay, and then room number! I say lets go talk. I ask her why, she says she needs money for restaurant rent. She's older (39), divorced 2 kids, but nice looking, and I'm thinking sex with a sexy girl who goes out with strangers a couple times a night and might or might not be good, or an obvious non-pro. So I take a chance. I tell her what I want, she asks what will I give her and I say 1000 for overnight.

The night turned out very well. She way too shy to shower together, but the shyness went away in bed.[/QUOTE]

Do you remember the name and location of this restaurant?

[QUOTE=Farmboy5]Do you remember the name and location of this restaurant?[/QUOTE]Certainly not the name. I think it was the next street west of the Loi Kroh Entertainment Center street, near the end of the bar section on the left side. Not really a tourist restaurant, some bar girls came in for dinner before work.

C H Hotel, Chiangmai

10 Soi 8, Charoenprathet Road, Muang, Chiang Mai 50100 Thailand

Promotion:

Stay 3 consecutive nights, pay only 2 nights. Free night is inclusive of breakfast.

This sounds like a good deal as i am already planning on staying in Chiang Mai for 3 nights. Now, has anyone ever stayed here before? I RTFF and could not find any mention of this hotel. So just want to know do they charge a joiner fee for overnigt guest?

Thanks inadvance.

Happy

[QUOTE=Happy Lenny]C H Hotel, Chiangmai

10 Soi 8, Charoenprathet Road, Muang, Chiang Mai 50100 Thailand

Promotion:

Stay 3 consecutive nights, pay only 2 nights. Free night is inclusive of breakfast.

This sounds like a good deal as i am already planning on staying in Chiang Mai for 3 nights. Now, has anyone ever stayed here before? I RTFF and could not find any mention of this hotel. So just want to know do they charge a joiner fee for overnigt guest?

Thanks inadvance.

Happy[/QUOTE]Dear Mr. XXXXX

First of all we would like to thank you for interesting our hotel.The rate of hotel is 1100 baht.-nett per night per room.

For the lady we don’t charge. If your interesting you can confirm this reservation again please.

Best regards,
Rattikarn

C H HOTEL
10 Soi 8, Charoenprathet rd., Muang,

Chiangmai, 50100, THAILAND

Tel: +66 (0) 53 820977-80
Fax: +66 (0) 53 818052
[email]rsvn.cnx@imperialhotels.com[/email]
[url]www.imperialhotels.com/chhotel/[/url]

[QUOTE=Happy Lenny]Dear Mr. XXXXX

First of all we would like to thank you for interesting our hotel.The rate of hotel is 1100 baht.-nett per night per room.

For the lady we don’t charge. If your interesting you can confirm this reservation again please.

Best regards,
Rattikarn

C H HOTEL
10 Soi 8, Charoenprathet rd., Muang,

Chiangmai, 50100, THAILAND

Tel: +66 (0) 53 820977-80
Fax: +66 (0) 53 818052
[email]rsvn.cnx@imperialhotels.com[/email]
[url]www.imperialhotels.com/chhotel/[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow !!

A fellow monger monitering ISG for the hotel business.
Can't say I know anything about the hotel but may check it out for a friend coming into town

Headed to Chiang Mai for a short trip and was wondering how feasible and where short time feelancers are available. How about short term hotels?

Not really interested in the soapy massage joints and the last time I was there Chiang Mai was not easy to find "entertainment" sans the entertainment roads.. any input guys?

[QUOTE=Nothing Like It]Headed to Chiang Mai for a short trip and was wondering how feasible and where short time feelancers are available. How about short term hotels?

Not really interested in the soapy massage joints and the last time I was there Chiang Mai was not easy to find "entertainment" sans the entertainment roads.. any input guys?[/QUOTE]

There are numerous lady bars near the Taphae Gate on Loi Kroh road.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]There are numerous lady bars near the Taphae Gate on Loi Kroh road.[/QUOTE]Hmm.. any your can recommend sans the haggling to buy drinks and with some women who love to do what we really go there for?

After many months I decided to check for new gals in OT.

Hadn't been there for a while as the last few times the service was TERRIBLE. Girl put on tv despite my asking not to, lost attention for massage when there was an interesting moment in the soap she was watching while massaging me.
Another girl simply had no strength at all. She said it was because she didn't have dinner yet (then why work?). Another girl asked for tip even before starting...

Of course one doesn't go there for normal massage skills, these are totally absent. So, with service being so lousy and the place being totally worn out, why still go there? Well, in the far past I did meet some nicer girls who provided full service, and if you want the HJ it's one of the few places where you can pick a girl behind glass. In normal massage places you can often pick a girl too, but it's less appreciated, and then those girls are often not pretty at all. In OT, now and then I saw a pretty one.

Anyway, so this week went again. Picked a new girl, hoping for a better experience. In vain: the girl asked for a big tip in advance, she didn't greet me (very impolite), and the massage was of course nothing. Her attitude was totally wrong with bad service, so when she offered the HJ for a standard THB 500 or full service for 2000, I made clear that I could go next door to Sayuri and have it all for less (at much better service).

I think this place is simply not worth it, there is no reason to go back. New girls quickly get rotten in their mind after talking to the old girls, so the service and attitude are simply terrible.

It takes a while to find pretty women in town for a sensual massage, but there are, and the service you can get then is much much better.

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OT isn't worth a visit: terrible service and attitude don't make up for 1 or 2 pretty faces.

OT isn't worth the visit: bad service and attitude don't make up for some pretty faces

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Hopes are gone for an Akane-style fashion massage (Bangkok, Sukhumvit 33) in Chiang Mai: after several months of waiting, the shop was sold or rented out to yet another spa beauty center, as if we didn't already have enough of these.

I suspect the Thai who planned to run Anzu at Changklan Road wanted to offer massage plus services on an explicit menu, like a balls massage is explicitly offered in Bangkok, but Chiang Mai's authorities didn't give the permission.

Typical Thai to first renovate the place, put up a nice poster, and then find out that no license will be given.

Anyway, a pity and a great miss for Chiang Mai it is.

I'm going to be visiting Chiang Mai for one month starting end of September, before I head to Patong for two months. Can anyone recommend a decent & fairly inexpressive place to stay. I've never been before so I don't know the area that well. I'm looking for a place near main traffic area of bars & restaurants. Something with wifi and girlfriendly a plus.

Thanks in advance.

Hotel - go Raming Lodge or Centara Duangtawan Hotel -- can't go wrong with those. Once you're there, I would look for the right condo that suits your needs and preferred location.

Hey, does anyone know if there is going to be a bar shutdown on July 7th and 8th?



[QUOTE=Denny Crum]I'm going to be visiting Chiang Mai for one month starting end of September, before I head to Patong for two months. Can anyone recommend a decent & fairly inexpressive place to stay. I've never been before so I don't know the area that well. I'm looking for a place near main traffic area of bars & restaurants. Something with wifi and girlfriendly a plus.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Can highly recommrend the Raming Lodge. In the middle of the action.. Quiet and very clean. Nice helpful people working there. I stayedthere last Jan. Great restaurant for italian just a few places down the street.

Any updates on Chiang Mai guys? Or is this thread officially dead?

Here's my 2 cents:

MP Update
Pandora: 1,800 ...slightly on the high side

Sayuri: Still the bread and butter of MP's for Chiang Mai. I was in there the other day at 3:30PM...I was still surprised at how many local Thai's patron this place...standing space only. At that time, there were more customers than girls. This is the best priced at 1,000 baht, but the rooms are a bit "dungeon like" -- kind of dark inside the room

Ping Payom: Still my favorite, nice looking young girls, but pricey. The good looking ones are 2,000 baht (on the right). However, the other day I walked in and was quoted 2,500 baht -- not sure if the price has officially risen, or if I just looked extra "touristy" that day.

Chiang Mai Hill Hotel: Very good deal, with several young ones (lots of older ones). 1,500 baht for the younger ones.

Phucome: Never was too impressed with this place, the girls seem to be very unhappy and only semi-attractive...priced on the higher side too.

OT Massage: This place is a real dump, with lots of Dengue mosquitos. The linens are pretty nasty too. However, the girl selection is pretty good. I just fucked a busty young girl, but she ripped me 1,500 baht (not including the 500 baht fee for the massage and room).

Grand Classic: Not a bad place, I was able to fuck a 19 year old with firm breasts and great attitude: ST 1,000 baht including room. Open late.

Nancy Massage: Has this place re-opened?

That's all for now...

Hey AJ,

Where is Grand Classic, I haven't heard of this place. Is it a soapy or?

Any advice on how to contact uni girls re help with fees in exchange for favours. Anyone know what costs would be. Am relocating to Chiang Mai for a year and would love to have a student as a companion. Could possibly help with her accommodation or similar.

[QUOTE=Jan Dara]Any advice on how to contact uni girls re help with fees in exchange for favours. Anyone know what costs would be. Am relocating to Chiang Mai for a year and would love to have a student as a companion. Could possibly help with her accommodation or similar.[/QUOTE]Many University students are working as part time waitresses and so on. A couple of years ago, I met a very nice 18 year old girl, working in an internet shop. She was just graduating from High school and studied biology at Chiang Mai University after that. I asked her to give me Thai lessons, which she really did, with little success. Gradually I became her sponsor and "boyfriend", but she would never stay overnight. There was always one or all of her family around. We were almost never alone, no sex! Similar experiences I had with a another pretty local student of Payap University. I met her in a really serious Traditional massage shop, where she was working as kind of a receptionist at very low wages. If you are so keen on a student girl friend, better ask the girl first, if she stays with her family in Chiang Mai. Maybe it is easier, if her family lives somewhere else. Later on I decided, that I really did not know, what to do with only one girl friend every day and all day long, so I gave up looking. I found out, that some of the young girls, working in the TM places, want to have a farang bf (age does not matter), especially during low season. Most of them speak English well enough and almost always they come from other provinces, as Isaan. Formally they may not be as well educated as the students, but I haven't noticed so much difference. One really cute young girl offered to live with me, instead of doing Thai massage in the shop. She would (only) need 500 THB per day, because she had to support her sick father, who lived near Bangkok (he was younger than me, but worn out from doing construction work all life long). Everything happened some years ago, but I do not believe that much has changed since then, except that quite a few girls in the formerly serious massage places nowadays make a little extra money with the HJ-business, so they may not need a regular sponsor any more.

[QUOTE=Denny Crum]I'm going to be visiting Chiang Mai for one month starting end of September, before I head to Patong for two months. Can anyone recommend a decent & fairly inexpressive place to stay. I've never been before so I don't know the area that well. I'm looking for a place near main traffic area of bars & restaurants. Something with wifi and girlfriendly a plus.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Raming Lodge is a good suggestion, it is right in the center of all the action. Lai Thai guest house is also not bad and a little cheaper at 650baht a night. It is not far from the action (5 minute walk) and they will pick you up at the airport for free. A car from the airport is only 120baht though so it is not the deal of the century. From there you can look around and find something you like for a month. Lots of places advertising low prices (400baht) but not all are near the main bar area. There are fan rooms around the bars for a few hundred baht a night.

[QUOTE=Jan Dara]Any advice on how to contact uni girls re help with fees in exchange for favours. Anyone know what costs would be. Am relocating to Chiang Mai for a year and would love to have a student as a companion. Could possibly help with her accommodation or similar.[/QUOTE]You have a pretty good chance of chatting up a uni girl if your Thai is good, otherwise it might be a little difficult. You could also try some Thai dating websites. I know a few uni girls here, and no offense but they would have nothing to do with you (or me) in the way that you are thinking.

Accommodation and fees for a uni student are not really an issue, Chiang Mai is a very inexpensive place to live.

You can't paint them all with the same brush, so I know what I say doesn't apply to all of them here, I am only speaking from my experience.

I agree with you! If you have succeeded in chatting up a Uni student, normally you have to sponsor her during daytime, but still pay for the "services" of another girl at night. I heard that even most of the local Thai male students do not have any other choice, before marriage.

[QUOTE=Member #1160]You have a pretty good chance of chatting up a uni girl if your Thai is good, otherwise it might be a little difficult. You could also try some Thai dating websites. I know a few uni girls here, and no offense but they would have nothing to do with you (or me) in the way that you are thinking.

Accommodation and fees for a uni student are not really an issue, Chiang Mai is a very inexpensive place to live.

You can't paint them all with the same brush, so I know what I say doesn't apply to all of them here, I am only speaking from my experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JXXXL]Hey AJ,

Where is Grand Classic, I haven't heard of this place. Is it a soapy or?[/QUOTE]This place is new to me too. Where is it or does it have another name?

As someone who spent some time in Chiang Mai, I can tell you that the chance of getting one of those chinese looking white-skinned Chiang Mai University students to talk to you for longer than it takes to get directions is almost impossible. Yes, many or most can speak English but they are not interested in practicing it. They appear to be embarassed to hang around with a falang. I have been told that they are largely middle class Northern Thai and spending time with a falang is just not part of their program.

I used to go to a coffee shop just outside the university and the girls would not even chat. I even met a professor who had worked in Chiang Mai university for a few months and he had no luck either.

Best try a girl who has gone to a lesser university or who is doing a real job. And especially a girl who does not have family living locally.

Hello guys, thx for the inputs.

In the next days I will test these two places (I did my home work and read all the previous month forum) if you can, please put some update, hours. Selection. Prices.

I know Ninnamaheiman are rough brothels just d'Anna Check it.

About Phucome, do they perform soappy mattress?

Phucome look like to be the best option for saoppy in CM nowadays?

Report will follow for sure. *

Maphrao

Some strange mistake with an automatic correction :

in my previous post please replace :

"just d'Anna Check it"

by

"just wanna check it" :-)

I will be visiting Bangkok the first week of November, but I plan to spend two nights in Chiang Mai during my trip. I'll be staying at the Shangri-La Hotel. I'm interested in finding a girl to bring back to my hotel room for a two-hour session and perhaps for all-night. In BKK, I usually pick a good-looking girl out of Tulip and take her back to the hotel, since I don't care for the Tulip atmosphere and I like my creature comforts. Can anyone recommend a good place to find a free-lancer or a massage parlor that has takeout? Good FS is important to me. I would appreciate any suggestions. You can either PM me or answer here. Thank you very much.

Canyon

[QUOTE=Canyon]I will be visiting Bangkok the first week of November, but I plan to spend two nights in Chiang Mai during my trip. I'll be staying at the Shangri-La Hotel. I'm interested in finding a girl to bring back to my hotel room for a two-hour session and perhaps for all-night. In BKK, I usually pick a good-looking girl out of Tulip and take her back to the hotel, since I don't care for the Tulip atmosphere and I like my creature comforts. Can anyone recommend a good place to find a free-lancer or a massage parlor that has takeout? Good FS is important to me. I would appreciate any suggestions. You can either PM me or answer here. Thank you very much.

Canyon[/QUOTE]

Oh god! Canyon, you should be very careful. CM is far from having the same quality as BKK when it comes to freelancers.
For superior Quality, I suggest Karaoke bars, they have the cutest girls (more expensive as well, but knowing your taste, I think you will not settle for less)

Massage places are dirty, Soapies are sub-standard, bars are below Average. CM isn't the best mongering Spot.

But what a beautiful place!

[QUOTE=Canyon]I will be visiting Bangkok the first week of November, but I plan to spend two nights in Chiang Mai during my trip. I'll be staying at the Shangri-La Hotel. I'm interested in finding a girl to bring back to my hotel room for a two-hour session and perhaps for all-night. In BKK, I usually pick a good-looking girl out of Tulip and take her back to the hotel, since I don't care for the Tulip atmosphere and I like my creature comforts. Can anyone recommend a good place to find a free-lancer or a massage parlor that has takeout? Good FS is important to me. I would appreciate any suggestions. You can either PM me or answer here. Thank you very much.

Canyon[/QUOTE]Canyon,

Never had a really great sex experience in Chiangmai except when I took the girl there with me. That doesn't mean its impossible, but you probably haven't got time for extended difficult research.

Myx

[QUOTE=Maphrao]if you can, please put some update, hours. Selection. Prices.

About Phucome, do they perform soappy mattress?

Phucome look like to be the best option for saoppy in CM nowadays?[/QUOTE]I went to Phucome yesterday. They are open from 1pm to 1am. Still the same price, 1000 for the fishbowl and 1400 for the sideline girls. There was a good selection, almost 20 women. I don't think they do a soapy but I never asked. Don't forget to look in at the Chiang Mai Hill hotel while you in the area.

[QUOTE=Myx Tical]Canyon,

Never had a really great sex experience in Chiangmai except when I took the girl there with me. That doesn't mean its impossible, but you probably haven't got time for extended difficult research.

Myx[/QUOTE]Strange the best I have every had was in Chiang Mai, she did everything with endless energy. I BF her for the entire week.

[QUOTE=Member #1160]I went to Phucome yesterday. They are open from 1pm to 1am. Still the same price, 1000 for the fishbowl and 1400 for the sideline girls. There was a good selection, almost 20 women. I don't think they do a soapy but I never asked. Don't forget to look in at the Chiang Mai Hill hotel while you in the area.[/QUOTE]Thank you Member #1160, well you went there Thursday I guess so I was there may be one day before. I reach the "chiangmai massage parlor" and a papasan rather young, look like to be rather a good guy waved me outside the parlor (the intrance is through the underground car park of the hotel). I arrived at 3pm and King (papasan nickname) told me it was a little bit early. Well 3 side girls chubby not my taste (1400) and 3 in the fishbowl (1000) not my taste too. Well I was quiting went King (tipped 100 upfront) asked me to wait "nid noi" after asking me my tastes (slim and easy). Five minutes later Mook 44kilos, smile, soft came. Number #70. I don't know where the papasan went to get her may be from one back room where she was slipping. I checked 90mn? But King said 100 for you (my money back). I needed few minutes to wake up and turn her on. A very Nice session. Damage 1000+300. She asked my mobile but my days are limited in CM, I am on my way back to Bangkok more posts about CM later.

Four five days ago I arrived in CM (without having time enough to read all the forum informations) so I stopped to take a drink at the East end of Loi Kro rd (river), at Thirsty Beaver. So I did not read the negative posts about it.

Few fat Hello, girls at the terrasse, not really shy, looking like fat dogs except one. Slim, good body but really not responding to me when I asked her for an oily massage.

Mai pen rai. Look like bored girl.

An unhappy atmosphere.

Inside a thai guy quite slippy on a sofa asked me if I wanted some oily as I said no to all the choices he made for me. As I said I will come another day then the slim girl moved her ass to meet me. This made me smile as it s a very well known situation by all of us. It was now up to both of us to manage it.

After a while of funny chit chat the feeling became better and better and we had both a lot of fun.

I repeated it and did 2 or 3 visits.

Cool and pro.

By the way when they want it can be clean and smiling place.

There is an hidden shower at 2nd floor.

Of course happy ending very easy.

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[QUOTE=Simian]As someone who spent some time in Chiang Mai, I can tell you that the chance of getting one of those chinese looking white-skinned Chiang Mai University students to talk to you for longer than it takes to get directions is almost impossible. Yes, many or most can speak English but they are not interested in practicing it. They appear to be embarassed to hang around with a falang. I have been told that they are largely middle class Northern Thai and spending time with a falang is just not part of their program.

I used to go to a coffee shop just outside the university and the girls would not even chat. I even met a professor who had worked in Chiang Mai university for a few months and he had no luck either.

Best try a girl who has gone to a lesser university or who is doing a real job. And especially a girl who does not have family living locally.[/QUOTE]


It is not surprising that uni girls shy away from farangs. Over the years, more and more farangs come to Thailand...and CM.....for sex only....or primarily. They are not really interested in a cerebral relationship that MIGHT grow into something more. Consequently, many....MANY...Thai women and men see farangs in a not so loving way. They largely feel, and have told me so, that farangs are interested only in sex. Consequently, we are now suffering the sins of our fellow mongerers. We have a huge P.R. bow wave to overcome before the uni girls will welcome us with open arms ....and legs.

Thank you for the warning. I'm going to CM primarily to see the sights, but I was hoping to get a liaison with an attractive female as well. Perhaps I will bring a companion with me from Bangkok.

Nic,

Thank you for the suggestion of the karaoke bars. You're right that I'm very demanding in regards to the quality of my young women, so I don't mind paying a bit extra. I didn't realize that CM was not a great place for sexual liaisons, so I will lower my expectations.

Canyon

[QUOTE=Maphrao]Four five days ago I arrived in CM (without having time enough to read all the forum informations) so I stopped to take a drink at the East end of Loi Kro rd (river), at Thirsty Beaver. So I did not read the negative posts about it.

Few fat Hello, girls at the terrasse, not really shy, looking like fat dogs except one. Slim, good body but really not responding to me when I asked her for an oily massage.

Mai pen rai. Look like bored girl.

An unhappy atmosphere.

Inside a thai guy quite slippy on a sofa asked me if I wanted some oily as I said no to all the choices he made for me. As I said I will come another day then the slim girl moved her ass to meet me. This made me smile as it s a very well known situation by all of us. It was now up to both of us to manage it.

After a while of funny chit chat the feeling became better and better and we had both a lot of fun.

I repeated it and did 2 or 3 visits.

Cool and pro.

By the way when they want it can be clean and smiling place.

There is an hidden shower at 2nd floor.

Of course happy ending very easy.

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There are two massage places at the east end of Loi Kroh. For those new to CM, the one on the right as you face east, is run by seedy, slippery looking Thai guy that will rip you off if you aren't careful. I sat out front with a bunch of the girls and farangs having a good time drinking. My mistake is I ran a bar bill. So....when it came time to pay, I was too damned drunk to realize that 7000 baht was too much money for the beers I had to drink, and the drinks I bought for the girls. I payed it and didn't realize it until I was almost back to my apartment........too late to do something about it. If this happens to you, call the Tourist Police and let them sort it out. Chances are good you will win. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=Canyon]I will be visiting Bangkok the first week of November, but I plan to spend two nights in Chiang Mai during my trip. I'll be staying at the Shangri-La Hotel. I'm interested in finding a girl to bring back to my hotel room for a two-hour session and perhaps for all-night. In BKK, I usually pick a good-looking girl out of Tulip and take her back to the hotel, since I don't care for the Tulip atmosphere and I like my creature comforts. Can anyone recommend a good place to find a free-lancer or a massage parlor that has takeout? Good FS is important to me. I would appreciate any suggestions. You can either PM me or answer here. Thank you very much.

Canyon[/QUOTE]While I certainly agree CM ain't BKK, I would definitely take a stroll down Loi Kroh and look in the bars. I am surprised at the quality of (some) the girls I have seen lately. No need to hang around, if you see something you like, make your deal and split.

[QUOTE=Maphrao] Five minutes later Mook 44kilos, smile, soft came. Number #70. [/QUOTE]Too funny, I usually pick her too. Believe it or not she has put on weight, too much beer she told me. I never tip the guys there, they used to be a little pushy for a tip but they don't say anything to me now. I usually give the girl 200.

I am not sure what you mean about the 90 min or 100? They ring a bell in the room if your time is up, and even then they don't throw you out if you aren't finished.

[QUOTE=Member #1160]While I certainly agree CM ain't BKK, I would definitely take a stroll down Loi Kroh and look in the bars. I am surprised at the quality of (some) the girls I have seen lately. No need to hang around, if you see something you like, make your deal and split.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, Member #1160. Are there any bars in particular? How much is the barfine? How much for two hours? all-night? If I don't take someone from BKK with me, I'll try that strategy.

Canyon

[QUOTE=Canyon]Thank you, Member #1160. Are there any bars in particular? How much is the barfine? How much for two hours? all-night? If I don't take someone from BKK with me, I'll try that strategy.

Canyon[/QUOTE]Most of the bars are concentrated on Loi Kroh from the moat to the small complex with the Thai boxing ring, maybe 500 yards distance between the two. The Number 1 bar (that is the name of the bar, not its rank!) is a few yards down Loi Kroh soi 1 and while they have some older women there, I have seen a few younger ones. I don't venture much further from there as far as the bars go since that's where most of them are. There is also Spicey the freelancer bar, it doesn't get going until late. It is a bit loud in there for me and hit or miss as far as quality. There are a couple of go go bars and I found them to be a waste of time.

I have to admit I not that up on the current prices, I seem to remember bar fines average around 400. I'll be down that way in the next few days and do a little research on prices. It is very slow right now, many bars with no customers but I doubt that will be the case in Nov when you are here.

Trying to get an idea of the best location to save in near the action. Is Loi Kroh soi 1 near the Chiang Mai night market?

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Trying to get an idea of the best location to save in near the action. Is Loi Kroh soi 1 near the Chiang Mai night market?[/QUOTE]

Andy, it depends on what you mean by "near." If you don't mind walking, the Night Market is "walkable," but I would simply take a songteaw for 15 baht, or a tuktuk for about 50, depending on the driver....I don't do tuktuks most of the time. Now, on Sunday night there is the "night market" at Thapae Gate. It is my favorite market place. Thapae Gate is easily walked to from Loi Kroh Rd. If I may recommend a good bar to begin your acquaintance with Loi Kroh area, try the Number 1 Pub on Loi Kroh, Soi 1. Owner is Belgium guy and Thai wife. They own two bars each opposite the other on soi 1. Not all the girls are "take homes," but some are. Take your time, get to know the girls first. I don't imagine many of the same girls are still there from my last visit, but it is a low key, fun and happy place with an upstairs for pool table with one of the girls (only for playing pool on). Number 1 Pub has a website, but I can't recall exact address....do Google.
Have fun!

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Trying to get an idea of the best location to save in near the action. Is Loi Kroh soi 1 near the Chiang Mai night market?[/QUOTE]I take it you mean a place to stay, or do you mean something else by "save". What is your budget? I can recommend several places depending on how much you want to spend. The Loi Kroh bar area is not that long and there are several hotels right on Loi Kroh rd.

The night market is known locally as the "Night Bazaar" which is open every night and runs along Chang Khlan Rd. Loi Kroh intersects with Chang Khlan right in the middle of the Night Bazaar. It is only a 10 minute walk from the start of Loi Kroh Rd. Soi 1 is about halfway down Loi Kroh. Unless you are extremely adverse to walking you don't need a tuk tuk or songtaew. I take a tuk tuk from Loi Kroh to my home on the other side of the city and it is 60baht.

As Oosik1 says there is the "Sunday Market" on Ratchadamnoen Rd. west of the Tha Pae Gate. As the name implies it is only open on Sunday evenings and would be a 10 minute walk from the start of Loi Kroh Rd. It is very popular and can get very crowded.

Different maps spell some street names slighly different, so if you see a street name very similar to what I have here then it is probably the same street.

Night Bazaar is mostly T-shirts, DVDs, watches and that kind of junk although there are many places with handicrafts. Sunday Market is mostly handicrafts, local clothing, and food.

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Hi to everybody,

I'm an expat moving from BKK to chiang mai: .

Any information where I cn find foreign hookers (Russian, Chinese, etc.) in chiang mai I like thai girls but some times I need a change

Thanks for your comments

Cheers

[QUOTE=Colliote]Hi to everybody,

I'm an expat moving from BKK to chiang mai: .

Any information where I cn find foreign hookers (Russian, Chinese, etc.) in chiang mai I like thai girls but some times I need a change

Thanks for your comments

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Now THAT is a good question.... I don't go to CM often enough but somehow I doubt that there will be any "foreign" action there. The Thai scene is already very very small there.

[QUOTE=Canyon]How much is the barfine? How much for two hours? all-night?[/QUOTE]400 is average bar fine, 1000 ST, 1500-2000 LT many guys will pay 2000-3000 LT so they will try to get more. Don't tell them you are staying somewhere nice, they will waste your time trying to get more. You might not get below 2000 LT in Nov if there are more customers.

A few nights ago I stopped in at a bar in the boxing ring complex, I think about the fourth bar on the left as you walk in. The complex is made up of about 20 small bars. Anyway, 3 out of the 4 there were cute. I don't remember names but one was a northern girl (NG) and the other an Isaan girl (IG). I ignored IG cause NG was cuter. IG wandered off and I ignored the one who replaced her even more. IG comes back and I offer to buy both NG and IG a drink, IG says vodka, and NG tries to order the most expensive cognac, I laughed and she got vodka too.

After I bought the drinks IG is massaging me and being very attentive while NG is looking for her next customer/drink. I ask about st/lt both say 1000st, but balk at 1500 lt, they want 2000. It is still early, around 9pm. IG says she will go LT till 5am for 1500. NG was cuter and it wouldn't be worth screwing up a night of fun for 500baht but I have a feeling that she would have been a starfish at any price and IG would have done her job.

On the other hand for only 1400baht ST it might have been worth finding out as NG was very cute. I usually go for attitude as long as looks are acceptable, IG was nice enough for me. I even stopped by on my way home and had another drink with IG. When I went by last night around 11pm both were gone.

[QUOTE=Colliote]Any information where I cn find foreign hookers (Russian, Chinese, etc.) in chiang mai[/QUOTE]The scene here is a fraction of BKK. I have never seen anything but Thai. Maybe you can take the occasional trip to BKK for variety.

First, I would like to thank you all for your replies to my previous questions.

After having stayed in BKk for 1.5 yrs. I am getting the urge to move on. Can you residents of Chiang Mai tell me your experiences living there as compare to BKK? I have never been there before, so it would be adventure for me.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]First, I would like to thank you all for your replies to my previous questions.

After having stayed in BKk for 1.5 yrs. I am getting the urge to move on. Can you residents of Chiang Mai tell me your experiences living there as compare to BKK? I have never been there before, so it would be adventure for me.[/QUOTE]

First, I must say that I have never been to BKK, so I cannot judge based on my experience, but based only on the experience of others....farang and Thai.

CM is not so big as BKK. Not so crowded. Not so much air pollution (until March/April). Don't come to CM if sex is the major reason. So many things to do, see, taste. Take the time to make Thai friends. Most Thais think farangs come to Thailand mostly for sex, so you need to overcome that stigma. Travel.......Isaan, Thaton, Nan, small villages.
Thaton is a small village on the border with Burma...above CM, Fang, Mae Ai, then comes Thaton. A river runs through Thaton and on down to Chiang Rai. Take a boat trip to CR, spend couple days in CR, return to Thaton on boat. On top of mountain overlooking Thaton is a Burma Army outpost. Much smuggling of Ya Ba is through Thaton and nearby mountains by hill tribe people. Ya Ba being manufactured by Burma Army. Many Karen peoples in the area......refugees from the longest running war in the world. There are about 4 decent to good hotels in Thaton. You must visit the local temple and see the view from atop the mountain......huge HUGE white Buddha on side of mountain....can see from miles away.

Back to CM. I have stayed at two condo/apartment places. Hillside 4 on Huay Kaew Rd....short distance to Kad Suan Kaew Shopping Center, and the Baan Thai Apartments on soi 6, Nimmenhaeman Rd. I prefer the Baan Thai, because is much less expensive and better location for action......close to CMU....many restaurants, hangout for college students. CM is a good transportation hub.....buses, train, airport, yellow songteaws for going to nearby villages and cities. I mostly move around CM by songteaw, because I refuse to drive in Thailand. Too damned dangerous. Nok Air flies to Udon Thani 3 or 4 times a week, so I occasionally go there and do that area.

I enjoy a good oil massage in CM, so I make an appointment for girl to come to my apartment for private session....usually 500 baht. Others can tell you about the sex joints.

Take a trip to Mae Hong Son and/or Pai. No taxis, tuk tuks in Pai......no songteaws in Pai......only motorbike taxis. If you go during "winter" months, make sure your bed has a warm blanket or two, because the nights get damned chilly. Visit the CM Zoo........good zoo. The Night Safari was a disappointment......owned by Thaksin. Don't eat the zoo animals being served at their restaurants .....but maybe we stopped that idea.

I love CM, because there is ALWAYS something to do. Oh, go to Doi Inthanon......tallest mountain in Thailand, but take a jacket. Beautiful gardens. Float a fire balloon into the air at New Years or holiday, but do it with a Thai girl...more fun. Join TLL and make some contacts for when you go to stay in CM, but don't schedule 2 dates same night, same time. It is a godawful experience.

[QUOTE=Member #1160]The scene here is a fraction of BKK. I have never seen anything but Thai. Maybe you can take the occasional trip to BKK for variety.[/QUOTE]

Was there last month for the first time in 6-7 years and was amazed at how little had changed along Loi Kroh, with Spotlight go-go, etc. I guess it's all better than nothing, but CM is not really a mongering destination and may already be eclipsed on that by Udon Thani, which is also mostly beer bars, but at lower prices and with fewer tourists around.

I've sporadically looked thru the CM section here and most of it deals with getting someme, but I'm more interested in how CM is for a place to live. I'm originally from 'the States', but have resided in Ubud, Bali for the last seveal years. At times (like today) it's just too third world for me. I visited CM about six weeks ago and really enjoyed it, but visiting and living are two different things. I'm not really concerned about the P4P scene, as I know it's most everywhere and I'm better off with it not in arms reach, but how might it (CM) compare with Ubud or other areas.
Cost to live
Things to do
Friendliness of local to farangs
Business opportunities
etc.

thanks much

I have never permanently lived in Chiang Mai, just stayed there several times, up to three months, mostly during winter time. I was told, that 10.000 foreigners live there all year round, but I do not know if it is true. They are hardly visible. The main problem for me was air pollution in March and April. Cost of living is cheap, food is excellent. There is a surplus of rooms. I had a simple, but nice hotel room in the center for 5000 THB per month + water and electricity. Rent for many apartments is less than 4000 THB/month. There are discounts for a one year´s contract. Any kind of service is good and cheap, with so many people from the surrounding villages, other provinces, or from Burma, looking for work in Chiang Mai City. Even most local people I met, were friendly or at least treating foreigners better than we are in my own home town. For older people it may be interesting, that there are several excellent hospitals at a moderate price. I remember an invoice of around 1100 THB, including doctor´s fee, lab result and medication. In Sayuri for example, you pay a similar price for up to 90 minutes of treatment, if you do not arrive by Tuk-Tuk. Maybe the ladies make you forget old age and little health problems even better than any doctor can.

[QUOTE=Jijjy]I've sporadically looked thru the CM section here and most of it deals with getting someme, but I'm more interested in how CM is for a place to live. I'm originally from 'the States', but have resided in Ubud, Bali for the last seveal years. At times (like today) it's just too third world for me. I visited CM about six weeks ago and really enjoyed it, but visiting and living are two different things. I'm not really concerned about the P4P scene, as I know it's most everywhere and I'm better off with it not in arms reach, but how might it (CM) compare with Ubud or other areas.
Cost to live
Things to do
Friendliness of local to farangs
Business opportunities
etc.

thanks much[/QUOTE]

I'm interested in the samething there is a website that claims you can retire in CM for $550 US dollars a month. and live quite well.

[url]http://www.retire-on-550-month.com/[/url]

how true is this website?

[QUOTE=Jijjy]I've sporadically looked thru the CM section here and most of it deals with getting someme, but I'm more interested in how CM is for a place to live. I'm originally from 'the States', but have resided in Ubud, Bali for the last seveal years. At times (like today) it's just too third world for me. I visited CM about six weeks ago and really enjoyed it, but visiting and living are two different things. I'm not really concerned about the P4P scene, as I know it's most everywhere and I'm better off with it not in arms reach, but how might it (CM) compare with Ubud or other areas.

Cost to live
Things to do
Friendliness of local to farangs
Business opportunities
etc.

thanks much[/QUOTE]Easy question, hard answer. Please forgive that this is so long. One of my best friends in the world lives in Kintamani, I have been there many times and can relate to this.

Ubud is not what it once was, of course, now over run with tourists awed over a bunch of monkeys, and pseudo art shops selling mediocre batik & badly made Bintang Beer t-shirts. Well Chiang Mai isn't what it once was either. In fact it is just a dirty ghostly shell of what it once was. Really.

I lived in Chiang Mai for twenty years, and it finally got the best of me. I had to leave. Once the decision was made, I packed up and left in a matter of 2 days. It had been coming for ten years.

As a tourist, you really do see very little of the reality of CM, and personally I could never live there now. It truly is just a filthy mirror of its former self. The place is boring, the people want everything but don't really know how to get it. The infrastructure of politics and money are as corrupt as the Thaksin Shinawatra family that runs it. And, the corruption has made life there more frustrating than I have time to explain here.

If you do a test run for a few months, try not to live in the "inner-moat" city of Chiang Mai, go south into the flat lands before Doi Inthanon, or way north into the foothills. Both still represent real Northern Thai life, but if you think you are in 3rd world territory now, hold on to your hat in Thailand. The city of CM normally drives farangs out of their minds with frustration. Learn to speak Thai as fast as you can, force yourself to get out and be a part of the Thai community. Don't let yourself become immersed in the farangs, they aren't reality, and they make stuff up to suit their own vision as to what they expect from their own point of view, this is not real.

If that all sounds complicated, so be it, Chiang Mai is a complicated place to get along. You think Ubud is 3rd world? At least you can be in Kuta in no time, Chiang Mai there is no escape!

Cost to live: Ubud may be cheaper, but the food isn't nearly as good as CM.

Things to do: Chiang Mai is alive with nightlife and restaurants, (and mid life crisis tourists.)

Friendliness: Learn to speak Thai, period.

Business opportunities: I have watched many farangs go through their entire life savings trying to do the simplest things business wise. In general it can be a very dangerous place to do any kind of startup. In CM it is easy to be taken advantage of, and super easy to wind up broke & disillusioned.

Etc: Ubud is only an hour drive from terrific beaches, the whackiness of Denpasar, Kuta-Uluwatu-Sanur, etc., and an abject totality in change of scenery. In Chiang Mai you just have the mountains & waterfalls, and, after a few times of going there, they just do not represent that much of a realigning healthy space to get away to.

[b]Ubud has better weather, cleaner water, and the air is far less contaminated.[/b] So there it is, and those three things unto themselves make a huge difference in quality of life, no matter where you live. In regards to all three, Thailand is a mess. It's hot, the water is notoriously dangerous, and the air is full of some sort of smoke virtually all of the time.

Bali has some of the best coffee, and certainly, some of the best waves/beaches, in the world. It is more involved with nature. It's easy to get along and live there cheaply. Chiang Mai? Hmm, not sure if it has the best of anything any more, and it can be very expensive now. Many people, that move to CM to live, move on within a year or two. (Screw it, I'm outta here.)

Again, sorry if this was too long Jijjy, it was cathartic for me. And, if it were me, I'd stay there in the Hindu enclave communty there that easily accepts farangs into their world and I would try to make more trips to the northern parts of the island of Bali, and of course there is always Lombok etc. For big holidays, I would then do extended visits to Chiang Mai and get a more personalized feel for Thailand and for CM itself.

BTW, as you know, the P4P scene in Bali sucks. In Chiang Mai, you can ALWAYS get what you need whenever you need it: Some of the most beautiful girls in Asia, day or night, 24 hours a day. This is the ONE THING that never seems to change in CM. ;)

Best of luck with it. PM if you have anything I can help with.

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[QUOTE=Barko]

BTW, as you know, the P4P scene in Bali sucks. In Chiang Mai, you can ALWAYS get what you need whenever you need it: Some of the most beautiful girls in Asia, day or night, 24 hours a day. This is the ONE THING that never seems to change in CM. ;)[/QUOTE]This is enough reason for me to get go there. :)

My favorite soapie massage parlor experiences have been with mostly girls from CM or CR, so I figure why not go to the source. I will be leaving for CM soon.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]This is enough reason for me to get go there. :)

My favorite soapie massage parlor experiences have been with mostly girls from CM or CR, so I figure why not go to the source. I will be leaving for CM soon.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=AndyBKK]This is enough reason for me to get go there. :)

My favorite soapie massage parlor experiences have been with mostly girls from CM or CR, so I figure why not go to the source. I will be leaving for CM soon.[/QUOTE]You are right! the problem is, that the Chiang Mai ladies go to Bangkok for work and the Bangkok girls come up, but still there are plenty of nice women around in Chiang Mai, if you like Isaan girls, as many come from there. I believe it is best not to expect anything else from the local people, as you would from any stranger in your own home town: nothing or the worst! Why should the ordinary people receive me, a foreigner, with their arms open (except for the girls I am paying for it)? Then life in Chiang Mai is nice and easy - if you can stand the heat and air pollution in March and April. Very good food and the best services at a very low price!

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]This is enough reason for me to get go there. :)

My favorite soapie massage parlor experiences have been with mostly girls from CM or CR, so I figure why not go to the source. I will be leaving for CM soon.[/QUOTE]Careful though Andy, most of the farang experiences with P4P girls from CM and CR happen in BKK and Haat Yai. And, keep in mind that most Chiang Mai/Rai chicks don't like to do the deed for money in their own home town. They like to go somewhere else, tell their parents they are working as an assistant manager at 7-11 or something, then send the dough home twice a month.

Those chicks you find at Nataree won't be in the bowl at Sayuri in CM, all those babies come from somewhere else too, like Tak, Nakhon Sawan or Phrao.

If you speak Thai, take time to get to know the lay of the land, you will find the lady houses. They are very well hidden from farang view and in general Thai guys don't really like farangs doing their private stash. But, by befriending Thai guys and going out with them on evening dinner soirees, they will take you to them, introduce you, and all is good.

Farangs only generate 10% of the P4P money in Thailand, and, of that, only a tiny fraction of the farang action happens in Chiang Mai.

Keep us posted what you find!

[QUOTE=Jijjy]I've sporadi.

. Are two different things. I'm not really concerned about the P4P scene, as I know it's most everywhere and I'm better off with it not in arms reach, but how might it (CM) compare with Ubud or other areas. Cost to live Things to do Friendliness of local to farangs Business opportunities etc.

Thanks much[/QUOTE]I just went to ubud and live in cm.living in ubud seems cheaper. I could be wrong about ubud however.

Chiang mai has great restaurants, museums, movies, shopping malls, free concerts, newspapers, an international airport, serious hospitals and dentists, beautiful mountain country nearby, everything you need on a daily bases is readily available. That is why 10 000 foreigners live here and you don't see them much. It is true that the air is bad for a couple of months/year, you should plan on travelling then. It's easy and cheap that time of year. A lot of good info is to be found at the thai visa chiang mai forum.

And it is true that the p4p scene is small because the demand just isn't there to support a nana e-plaza, we have cec on loi kro instead where you can hire a couple hundred girls, but most of them end up at spicey later because nobody paid the 300bt barfine and so on. Pussy galore everywhere!

You can live well in cm for 800$ a month, you have to add on what you spend for girls though. If you stay awhile get a place and a bike you will find a girl to show you how to budget with quality. Find one with a job and make sure she keeps it. Put your money in the bank and make sure you keep it.

I meet decent women everyday and many look for a nice guy. Just don't be a sucker it will not earn you respect either. Learn to say no with a smile and be generous within your means.

Thais are friendly but that can be fake. Business is possible just watch the rules carefully. And yes, massages are great and cheap, you meet nice girls there too. Sorry I don't post here much, but if people want to know if a certain hotel is girl friendly they should just ask the reception desk.

[QUOTE=Barko] the people want everything but don't really know how to get it. [/QUOTE]
I think this could be said for anywhere in the country nowdays. Thais have been sold!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Now THAT is a good question.... I don't go to CM often enough but somehow I doubt that there will be any "foreign" action there. The Thai scene is already very very small there.[/QUOTE]Well, of course there are plenty of Burmese girls and hilltribes (Aka, Lisu) working in the sex industry here. Check out the local brothels and local karaoke's. And occasionally, there are some Chinese girls. I remember there's a nice Chinese one in Spotlight, for example.

try the Spotlight go-go bar they have some non Thai girls (Burmese, Lisu etc)
The nice Chinese is actually a Lisu girl from Pai area she is highly recomended.

[QUOTE=Tsunami]Well, of course there are plenty of Burmese girls and hilltribes (Aka, Lisu) working in the sex industry here. Check out the local brothels and local karaoke's. And occasionally, there are some Chinese girls. I remember there's a nice Chinese one in Spotlight, for example.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Didi Vise]try the Spotlight go-go bar they have some non Thai girls (Burmese, Lisu etc)

The nice Chinese is actually a Lisu girl from Pai area she is highly recomended.[/QUOTE]Ah, that's why she said to me she forgot to speak Chinese. I thought she was really Chinese. You're right, she has a reputation for being sexually very skilled.
The other non-Thai workers are easy to recognise either by face or by their bad Thai pronunciation. And usually they say they are from Maesai, meaning somewhere from Myanmar.

Just finishd a trip in Thailand and was lucky enough to sneak off for a bit of mongering. I visited Phuket, Bangkok & Chaing Mai & found the Northern girls to be the best. Stayed at the Duangtawan & as u exit the front door turn left walk over the river then turn left & head toward where the fake kick boxing place. I stopped at a bar about 3/4 of the way down on the left, as you look at the bar the pool table is on the right hand side. If you see a slim girl with glasses her hair up & a big smile ask her for a game of pool I guarantee you will enjoy the nite. Forget the kick boxing its fake and the bars near it are full of ladyboys, some good looking if thats your thing but Im glad I stooped just short & met Ning (not sure if thats her name I had a few) After pool and a real gf experience lots of fun kisses & hugs we headed to her room. Quick shower ad some gr8 kissing time for bbbj and she used the tongue stud very well, lots of deep action and those gorgeous eyes looking up as she slirped away was a real treat. On with the rubber and time to hump, we did all the positions, she moaned grabbed her tits twisted her own nipples and had me thinking I was a porn star, an absolute great fuck. She suggested time i fucked her hard doggy style, how could I refuse. As a gave her a right humping she released her long hair which was pinned up and told me to use it to pull her on to my cock. Well ridem cowboy this was just getting better & better. Well Im getting close to blow time as she looks over her shoulder and mouths the magics words "fuck my arse", she reached between her legs and popped the old fella agains her ring and and said push, push push, my knob popped in then she thrust back and took all my dick moaned and rythed around with her long falling over her shoulders and her hand rubbing my balls. Well lads I can tell u if I was close to popping b4 i was literally on the edge right now, I mentioned I was going to cum and in a flash she swivelled around whipped off the rubber held my cock in fornt of her open mouth tongue out & said fill my mouth with cum, 3 tugs a lick and a moan & the lady got was she asked for and boys so did I. Best fuck I ever had. Quick shower & dressed still gf treatment going on, I asked how much and she said up to you. Fuck I nearly melted, I gave her 1000baht and she was quite happy so I gave her another 1000baht sorry boys if I infalted the price for u lot but boys she was worth every penny. Thailand what a place, great food, great shopping great people and the worlds most beautiful women.

Are there short time hotels available in central Chiang Mai, particularly near Loi Kroh Rd area?

[QUOTE=Farmboy5]Are there short time hotels available in central Chiang Mai, particularly near Loi Kroh Rd area?[/QUOTE]

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Check out Bau Tong Lodge on Soi 3 off Loi Kroh Rd.

Can any knowledgeable members rec. a lady house in CM......currently operating?

Did some mongering in BKK (trip report with my porn star experience to follow) but after that went to CM for my first visit. Was met by my "fuckmate" at airport (lady who sometimes comes with me on busness trips but is from CM). We stayed a few days. What a nice town!

We went bar hopping all over town, had some wonderful Thai food in great places like Goodview, some great CM Sausage and of course my friend had 3 hot nights of English sausage LOL

Really nice town. Can see why theres so many expats living there.

[QUOTE=Gordon Benett]I gave her 1000baht and she was quite happy so I gave her another 1000baht sorry boys if I infalted the price for u lot but boys she was worth every penny. [/QUOTE]You can never say sorry enough times for giving 2000 baht to a ***** in Chiang Mai. Oh well as they say up to you :)

I have not been there mongering for about 6 years. Going again next month. Anyone have updated info on the location of the local brothels or the more local action in general? Far more interesting than the farang scene. :)

Can anyone tell me anything about a little bar in the Entertainment center on Loi Kroh RD.The Bar is located at the South East Corner by the Boxing ring. Any nice women there? I have heard the owner is very nice.

Thanks in advance.

Can anyone give me information on a little bar In the Entertainment Center on Loi Kroh Road. It is called the Honey Bar and is located in the South East corner next to the Boxing Ring. I understand the owner is a very nice lady.

Thanks

I know this subject may be a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone here could recommend or comment on whitewater rafting in the Chiang Mai area. I was also wanting to visit some of the local hill tribes. I'll be in Chiang Mai this February and need some extra activities to recharge my batteries during the day so I'll be ready for mongering in the evening.

If anyone feels that this is inappropriate for this message board, please PM me instead of posting here.

Many Thanks,

I have to contradict any reports that says that CM is not a place for good mongering. I was there recently and can tell you it is an excellent place and even better than Bangkok because you get much better value for money. They key is to avoid places like Karaoke bars and the other brothels where the girls with numbers are sitting. These places are expensive and usually the sex is also very mechanical and not that good.

The best sex that you can get is with the massage parlor girls and there is a massage parlor every 100 yards in CM so there is an abundance of choice. If I would see a cute girl outside a massage parlor then I would go in and just get a foot massage which does not cost more than THB 150. This would allow me time to examine the girl along with the other girls in the massage parlor. After this I would ask if she will come to the hotel for a full body massage and once they agree then you know you are in for a good time.

Back at the hotel I would just tell the girls that they will get a good tip which is all that they are looking for and in max THB 1500 you can have some excellent sex, shower, along with an excellent massage. Cannot beat such service. I have realized that Thai girls do not have any issues with sex and most of them tend to really enjoy it. Once I had a married masseuse come to my room and she was only expecting to give a massage and was reluctant to do anything first but once she agreed she was a little tigress in bed and who seemed to have a better time than even me. The first time I came a little quickly and this woman was still in her throes of orgasm and kept on humping me dry.

Such sex is a far cry from the girls that you will get in these Karaoke bars and brothels. So, I would suggest that the massage parlors all over CM are the best bets for excellent mongering.

Thanks for sharing. I also love the TM shops in Chiang Mai. Now I would like to report my own observations and give some more details. There is a massage place on almost every corner, but they are not all alike, depending also on the area. Most of the serious massage places will send a massager to your hotel, if you call them on the phone, but normally you are not allowed to choose in a really (!) legit place. So I just walked into several shops and always got an excellent oil massage behind a curtain, from all kinds of women, young or old, overweight or slim, pretty or average looking and so on. When I was assigned to a nice girl I liked, I asked her for her mobile phone number. Some of them were honest and insisted, that I call the shop to send her. If she is new, and does not know English well enough, she will also want the the manager arrange things for her. In some legit places you do not have to pay more for takeout, if your hotel is close enough for walking. About 100+ THB surcharge should be more than enough for extra time and transport. It is also a safety issue: the lady will feel more secure, if her employers know where she is going. Sometimes her boss or one of her colleagues will even bring her to your room and back, if she does not own her own motorbike. Please remember: those girls are not real prostitutes. Never ever ask the manager for "extras", or the girl in front of others! Only few of those girls will agree to FS in your room. Maybe you were just lucky, because the girl had some bills to pay. You would not have to give her 1500 then. Offer her a 500-THB. Tip for FS or BJ + price for massage. You are not in Bangkok (also compare to the soapies: at Sayuri I paid 1150 THB/session last year, FS, comfortable room and everything else included). Since I prefer a HJ as "happy end" after a very good, long and relaxing oil massage, normally I do not ask for a BJ or FS in my room. My first offer has always been 300 THB tip for hand relief. Sometimes I complained, that my testicles and their neighbor hurt and I needed a health massage for that area too. Maybe the girls had pity on me, or I helped them "save face" that way. Who knows? It worked. There is a different situation on Loi Kroh Road. Many or most of the massage places there look legit from the outside, but in fact are HJ-shops only. Easy to identify, because of the young and mostly pretty women sitting outside. There you can get a sensual massage at a reasonable price and the girl will ask you for a tip of 500 THB for HJ, while working on you (sometimes more, but she will accept 500). A big towel is provided on the mattress for oil massage and a small one in a roll for your sperms. So you will not have any doubt that at least HE is offered on the premises. It is OK, if you do not mind being serviced behind curtains only, in a communal room. I tried those obvious HJ-places, sometimes, when I needed quick relief, or when I was attracted to one of the girls outside. Hope to be back soon, enjoying excellent food and the best of massages all over Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Ohio29]I have to contradict any reports that says that CM is not a place for good mongering. I was there recently and can tell you it is an excellent place and even better than Bangkok because you get much better value for money. They key is to avoid places like Karaoke bars and the other brothels where the girls with numbers are sitting. These places are expensive and usually the sex is also very mechanical and not that good.

The best sex that you can get is with the massage parlor girls and there is a massage parlor every 100 yards in CM so there is an abundance of choice. If I would see a cute girl outside a massage parlor then I would go in and just get a foot massage which does not cost more than THB 150. This would allow me time to examine the girl along with the other girls in the massage parlor. After this I would ask if she will come to the hotel for a full body massage and once they agree then you know you are in for a good time.

Back at the hotel I would just tell the girls that they will get a good tip which is all that they are looking for and in max THB 1500 you can have some excellent sex, shower, along with an excellent massage. Cannot beat such service. I have realized that Thai girls do not have any issues with sex and most of them tend to really enjoy it. Once I had a married masseuse come to my room and she was only expecting to give a massage and was reluctant to do anything first but once she agreed she was a little tigress in bed and who seemed to have a better time than even me. The first time I came a little quickly and this woman was still in her throes of orgasm and kept on humping me dry.

Such sex is a far cry from the girls that you will get in these Karaoke bars and brothels. So, I would suggest that the massage parlors all over CM are the best bets for excellent mongering.[/QUOTE][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Tiger-just to clarify the facts-you can always choose the girl in any shop if she is ok with it.they might not like it but but what are they going to do-you're the boss as long as you pay. If you come more often they give you "your girl"automatically. The shops on loi kro give regular massages too, and some girls will only do that. But for happy ending 500 bt total is enough in all the 250../hr or so oilies, just signal it to her and hold out. She will take it. It can be a lot of fun to hold out.

Getting their phone numbers is not difficult. Just tell them you want to make sure

They have time when you come to their shop. But better not to do it in front of the boss.

[quote=islandboy54]tiger-just to clarify the facts-you can always choose the girl in any shop if she is ok with it. they might not like it but but what are they going to do-you're the boss as long as you pay. if you come more often they give you "your girl"automatically. the shops on loi kro give regular massages too, and some girls will only do that. but for happy ending 500 bt total is enough in all the 250. /hr or so oilies, just signal it to her and hold out. she will take it. it can be a lot of fun to hold out.

getting their phone numbers is not difficult. just tell them you want to make sure

they have time when you come to their shop. but better not to do it in front of the boss. [/quote]hello, mr islandboy,

nice sharing information with you! i agree with you, but i play along with the system, so i do not insist on choosing the girl on my first visit. it takes more time, but i am getting more thrills that way. it is kind of a game. i prove to them that i am a regular customer, who comes for the good massage and not just some pervert, who is hunting for pretty innocent women. something else i forgot to mention: since most of the tm shops in chiang mai are officially serious and "extras" outside, or any other relationships with their customers during their free time, are the private business of some (not all) the girls, there is no reason for the owner of the shop not to employ girls under 18. so everybody better be careful, always ask the girl about her age and if she looks too young, check her id. i believe getting a hj only from an **** girl is illegal, even if you do not touch her and she remains dressed. any experts around?

Hey Brothers, thanks in advance.

There is a new hotel near the tapae gate call IMM hotel.

Is it guest friendly? Just like to check it out, because only 1000THB

[QUOTE=Relax Man]Hey Brothers, thanks in advance.

There is a new hotel near the tapae gate call IMM hotel.

Is it guest friendly? Just like to check it out, because only 1000THB[/QUOTE]

Hi, staying there right now. Cheap n cheerful, basic but clean and has free WiFi. Totally GF, walk in the front door and right up the stairs no problem.
The hotel has no elevator so there is no waiting and no walk of shame either.

Breakfast is inclusive but pretty crap. It is ok if you only go for OJ and cereals with toast I suppose. Problem is finding a table (only 12 available) when the hotel is full of Chinese on cheap tours. Plenty of young eye candy and they have no checks on who is taking breakfast, so you can get away with ''extra'' guests without a problem.

Cheers, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Hi, staying there right now. Cheap n cheerful, basic but clean and has free WiFi. Totally GF, walk in the front door and right up the stairs no problem.
The hotel has no elevator so there is no waiting and no walk of shame either.

Breakfast is inclusive but pretty crap. It is ok if you only go for OJ and cereals with toast I suppose. Problem is finding a table (only 12 available) when the hotel is full of Chinese on cheap tours. Plenty of young eye candy and they have no checks on who is taking breakfast, so you can get away with ''extra'' guests without a problem.

Cheers, FF[/QUOTE]

Is it near the scene or Loi Kro???

[QUOTE=Egy Monger]Is it near the scene or Loi Kro???[/QUOTE]Yes it is beside spotlight.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger]Is it near the scene or Loi Kro???[/QUOTE]

if it's at tha pae gate, then it's close to loy kroh

I have my reservation at the Ramming Lodge in CM in late February and am looking forward to my first visit. In an attempt to mix things up I've been corresponding with some local DIA ladies. Anyone had any experience with DIA in this city? Pm me please. thanks

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I have my reservation at the Ramming Lodge in CM in late February and am looking forward to my first visit. In an attempt to mix things up I've been corresponding with some local DIA ladies. Anyone had any experience with DIA in this city? Pm me please. Thanks[/QUOTE]Never had much luck with DIA in Chaingmai.

Those that I have corresponded with tend to be students with no real interest in actually meeting a farang (white guy), just want to practice their English online. Have set various meetings over the years, but is always "no show" or worse, a Lady boy shows instead.

Your hotel is close to the action, and certainly plenty will be available in the bars. I'm just back from a month in Chaingmai. Tourism is very down, so lots of choice. If you need any help, have a word with Chris in the Marijuana bar which is opposite your hotel.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I have my reservation at the Ramming Lodge in CM in late February and am looking forward to my first visit. In an attempt to mix things up I've been corresponding with some local DIA ladies. Anyone had any experience with DIA in this city? Pm me please. thanks[/QUOTE]

You're going to post this for Every Thread we have a city for?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You're going to post this for Every Thread we have a city for?[/QUOTE]I would also be very much interested about the experiences of others, so why PM then? Why not share? Maybe warn people of scams and so on?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You're going to post this for Every Thread we have a city for?[/QUOTE]:) maybe a man on the run seen the announced itinerary!

[QUOTE=Ohio29]I have to contradict any reports that says that CM is not a place for good mongering. I was there recently and can tell you it is an excellent place and even better than Bangkok because you get much better value for money. They key is to avoid places like Karaoke bars and the other brothels where the girls with numbers are sitting. These places are expensive and usually the sex is also very mechanical and not that good.

The best sex that you can get is with the massage parlor girls and there is a massage parlor every 100 yards in CM so there is an abundance of choice. If I would see a cute girl outside a massage parlor then I would go in and just get a foot massage which does not cost more than THB 150. This would allow me time to examine the girl along with the other girls in the massage parlor. After this I would ask if she will come to the hotel for a full body massage and once they agree then you know you are in for a good time.

Back at the hotel I would just tell the girls that they will get a good tip which is all that they are looking for and in max THB 1500 you can have some excellent sex, shower, along with an excellent massage. Cannot beat such service. I have realized that Thai girls do not have any issues with sex and most of them tend to really enjoy it. Once I had a married masseuse come to my room and she was only expecting to give a massage and was reluctant to do anything first but once she agreed she was a little tigress in bed and who seemed to have a better time than even me. The first time I came a little quickly and this woman was still in her throes of orgasm and kept on humping me dry.

Such sex is a far cry from the girls that you will get in these Karaoke bars and brothels. So, I would suggest that the massage parlors all over CM are the best bets for excellent mongering.[/QUOTE]Good report there, but its not really nessersary to pay that much, thats way over the top, for 500bt less you can go to the goldfish bowl and pick and choose, some top quality girls

[QUOTE=Diceman]Good report there, but its not really necessary to pay that much, thats way over the top, for 500bt less you can go to the goldfish bowl and pick and choose, some top quality girls[/QUOTE]1500 less 500 equals 1000 bt.

Diceman pleas pm me and take me to the goldfishbowl and show me the

"top quality girls"(no goldfish!) for the quoted amount. Granted I have lived in cm for only 8 years so I don; t know the city that well. I will apologize here on the forum to you afterwards.

Ohio made in fact a nice report and there is non need to diminish it in a patronizing way.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54]1500 less 500 equals 1000 bt.

Diceman pleas pm me and take me to the goldfishbowl and show me the

"top quality girls"(no goldfish!) for the quoted amount. Granted I have lived in cm for only 8 years so I don; t know the city that well. I will apologize here on the forum to you afterwards.

Ohio made in fact a nice report and there is non need to diminish it in a patronizing way.[/QUOTE]Also love the legit. Massage shops in Chiang Mai. Most of the time I went there for a good massage. FS is not guaranteed with takeout to your hotel, not even other "extras", but it is a good way of getting to know nice girls and women. Has anyone ever known a girl refusing a small gift for offering good sex? How much to pay for the extra service in your room? If you tip the girl 1500 for FS, on top of the 300. 600 you pay to the shop for the massage, then it will be around 2000, which is definitely too expensive for Chiang Mai. During my last visit, end of 2008, the regular (!) price at Sayuri Soapy was only 1150 THB, for a good room, bath, some massage and sex. No tip needed for the lady. Thai people don't tip and most of the customers are locals. The girl will only ask you to give 20 Baht to the charwoman. If you can get a legit. Girl's mobile phone number and you arrange a private appointment outside of the shop, I believe that a total 1000 Baht will be more than fair for 2 hours massage + FS, or 600. 700 for massage + HJ. Maybe the lady would even be glad to come for 500 Baht, after work. Who knows? The women really earn very little in the legit. Shops, not even 100 Baht per hour, if there are customers at all.

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Also love the legit. Massage shops in Chiang Mai. Most of the time I went there for a good massage. FS is not guaranteed with takeout to your hotel, not even other "extras", but it is a good way of getting to know nice girls and women. Has anyone ever known a girl refusing a small gift for offering good sex? How much to pay for the extra service in your room? If you tip the girl 1500 for FS, on top of the 300. 600 you pay to the shop for the massage, then it will be around 2000, which is definitely too expensive for Chiang Mai. During my last visit, end of 2008, the regular (!) price at Sayuri Soapy was only 1150 THB, for a good room, bath, some massage and sex. No tip needed for the lady. Thai people don't tip and most of the customers are locals. The girl will only ask you to give 20 Baht to the charwoman. If you can get a legit. Girl's mobile phone number and you arrange a private appointment outside of the shop, I believe that a total 1000 Baht will be more than fair for 2 hours massage + FS, or 600. 700 for massage + HJ. Maybe the lady would even be glad to come for 500 Baht, after work. Who knows? The women really earn very little in the legit. Shops, not even 100 Baht per hour, if there are customers at all.[/QUOTE]All this is fine, however.

What diceman referred to was to pick a top quality girl from a fishbowl for bt 1000..

Sayuri was 1150 for the girls all the way on the right only and the price has gone up.

We all know that there are many ways to screw many a girl, some even for free, which sometimes end up costing the most. Some might even pay you who knows? Not the top q. From the fishbowl though. Most of them are downright ugly anyway.

Barfines in cm start from 300 and st is usually from 1000 up.

A girl pulled from a legit m-parlor will be happy enough with 500-1000 /all night depending who you are and what she can expect from you in the future.

I had a dancer last year repeatedly from x zone in Pattaya who was happy enough with 1000 for 24 hrs attendance all possible service included. God only knows what she was thinking.

Currently exploring Chiang Mai. I will add some comprehensive reports later, but my initial impressions:

-Spotlight and Foxy Lady Gogo. Maybe 1-2 lookers. 1500ST and 2500LT. (in addition to 500 Bar fine) Maybe I negotiate bad?

-Loi Kroh road. 95% average looking girls, nothing special. Not my scene as I like time to take a look at a girl and decide if I like. The little side complex with fake MT fights in middle is even worse.

-I stopped my Sayuri Massage and this place has a lot of potential. The girls were better looking than gogo place on average but it was late (9pm-ish) and I didn't see anyone interesting so I left. At the time there were about 15 girls but it looks like they have a lot more during better hours. I will try again today.

My question is, what are standard prices for Sayuri Massage these days? The info I tracked down was very old/out of date.

(sorry if this is a repost, my it doesn't look like my last post went through?)

Currently exploring Chiang Mai. I will add some comprehensive reports later, but my initial impressions:

-Spotlight and Foxy Lady Gogo. Maybe 1-2 lookers. 1500ST and 2500LT. (in addition to 500 Bar fine) Maybe I negotiate bad?

-Loi Kroh road. 95% average looking girls, nothing special. Not my scene as I like time to take a look at a girl and decide if I like. The little side complex with fake MT fights in middle is even worse.

-I stopped my Sayuri Massage and this place has a lot of potential. The girls were better looking than gogo place on average but it was late (9pm-ish) and I didn't see anyone interesting so I left. At the time there were about 15 girls but it looks like they have a lot more during better hours. I will try again today.

My question is, what are standard prices for Sayuri Massage these days? The info I tracked down was very old/out of date.

Last week I took a trip from Bangkok to Chiang Mai and visited Ayutthaya, Sukothai and Lampang on the way. There I didn't look for girls. In Chiang Mai I spent 4 nights in the Rainforest hotel. It's a little outside the center nearby the railway station. I have booked by Agoda this hotel and payed only 16 Euros. This is an unbeaten prize for this kind of Hotel. The room was really good, clean and a big bed. I could use also a little swimming pool for relaxing after some excursions. The disadvantage is to reach the city. You always need a taxi or a tuktuk. Especially in the late evening they want crazy prizes like 100 Baht or more for less than 5 kilometers. So it's a hard bargain to get reasonable fares.

In the first night I wandered around in the inner city, especially on Loi Kroh, where you can find easily the most bars. But it was mostly disappointing, what I saw. Mostly average girls or beneath. I didn't find any girl, who I liked to take with me. The only stunning creatures have been ladyboys, so be cautious. Also the few GoGo-Bars have been disappointing for me.

In the second night I took a girl from one of the beerbars (I don't know the name of this bar). I paid the barfine of 300 Baht. We agreed for 1. 500 Baht for 3 hours and 2 shots. She was slim, age 23 and gave me a nice smile, as I entered this bar. This was the reason to take her. She was a good kisser, but her oral skills haven't been exceptionally. The 2 rounds have been ok, but nothing special. So I could send her away after this time light-hearted.

I also visited the disco in the Pornping Hotel, but most of the girls looked not interested and the few prettier girls have been occupied after 11 p. M

In the other two nights I didn't monger, but got a very good Thaimassage (only a real massage, no sex!) in Loi Kroh in the salon "Full moon massage" diagonal opposite to the big Centara Duangtawan Hotel. The name of the lady, who gave me an excellent massage, was Benz. Surprisingly she spoke much better English than the mostly ladies, so I could communicate with her well and could get some real interesting information about living in Chiang Mai and her family background, because she was member of one of the hill tribes in the mountains. But she is really not interested in having sex. This I could find out, as we talked.

Naturally I made excursions there to an elephant farm, did a bamboo rafting on the river or made a one day trip to Chiang Rai and the Golden Triangle. It is easy to book these excursions, you see many travel agencies in the cities.

All in all it was an interesting trip there, but surely not for mongering.

[QUOTE=Dcpublius](sorry if this is a repost, my it doesn't look like my last post went through?)

Currently exploring Chiang Mai. I will add some comprehensive reports later, but my initial impressions:

-Spotlight and Foxy Lady Gogo. Maybe 1-2 lookers. 1500ST and 2500LT. (in addition to 500 Bar fine) Maybe I negotiate bad?

-Loi Kroh road. 95% average looking girls, nothing special. Not my scene as I like time to take a look at a girl and decide if I like. The little side complex with fake MT fights in middle is even worse.

-I stopped my Sayuri Massage and this place has a lot of potential. The girls were better looking than gogo place on average but it was late (9pm-ish) and I didn't see anyone interesting so I left. At the time there were about 15 girls but it looks like they have a lot more during better hours. I will try again today.

My question is, what are standard prices for Sayuri Massage these days? The info I tracked down was very old/out of date.[/QUOTE]

1,000 THB (from the main group) if you can speak some Thai, maybe have a driver's license and maybe work in Thailand (and can express this)......around 2,000 THB for farangs who are on "holiday".

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]1, 000 THB (from the main group) if you can speak some Thai, maybe have a driver's license and maybe work in Thailand (and can express this). Around 2, 000 THB for farangs who are on "holiday".[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]1, 000 THB (from the main group) if you can speak some Thai, maybe have a driver's license and maybe work in Thailand (and can express this). Around 2, 000 THB for farangs who are on "holiday".[/QUOTE]thanks for the latest information. It is good to hear, that the prices at Sayuri have hardly changed over the years. I speak only a few words of Thai and I learned the numbers up to 1000=nung pan. I forgot to mention that one year ago, 1150 THB was the price including a better room. It is worth 150 Baht more. You do not even have to speak any Thai to get the local price. Just continue to the cashier's counter on the left, if you look at the ladies (where else would look?), put your 1000 or 1150 Baht down, together with a piece of paper with the number of your girl from the fishbowl. If you can tell them the girl's number in Thai, then you are already one of them! Don't ask the papasan for the price, because then he knows you are new and he will quote a higher price. Chiang Mai takes some time and effort, so it is good for older men like myself, with patience. For young studs Pattaya will be best. I also found out, that it is waste of time, trying to befriend a local girl, living with her family in Chiang Mai. Burmese and Isaan women, working in a low paid job are the best girlfriend material, long term or day by day! Hope to be back soon.

Yesterday around 7-8pm I went to Sayuri. There were about 30 girls in the fish bowl. I thought maybe 1-2 were good looking, rest were average or ugly. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I'm not that picky. I see a ton of beautiful girls on the streets. Anyway, the one I one going to go with was taken at the last minute so I decided to take a stroll to Pandoras. The place had about 10 girls in the fish bowl. 1-3 were decent looking. The one I chose was 'M'. Middle quality/price.

Bath was fair but nothing special, action was a bit boring, a bit rushed, and no 2nd pop. She said 1000BHT extra. She didn't put any effort into the show. I would not recommend and I will not repeat.

Also, price for 'M' was 1800 which is what old reports state. (which means that price of 'B'/regular girl is still likely 1500 and 2500 for 'supermodel. On a sidenote in the 3 times I have gone. There were only a handful of 'supermodels' and they didn't look any hotter or younger than other girls.)

Hopefully someone finds this report useful.

My $.02 on CM mongering:

Sayuri's prices are 1000b for girls with no letter with their numbers; 1150b for "B"; 1300b for "M". I had a Euro monger to thank for enlightening me on the prices before I got around to picking a girl from the fishbowl. I didn't think the "M girls were that much better than the others, but I did end up picking one who gave decent service. Not remembering where she was from. Have not visited Pandora.

Beer bars: the girls on Kotchasarn near Loi Kroh and Loi Kroh itself were not that impressive, very few stunners, if any. A few of the ladyboys looked better. I took a girl out of one of the entertainment center bars (this center has a muay thai boxing ring at the end), don't remember which one though. 400b barfine + 1000b for ST. It's not all a loss, there's decent food and drink to be had on this street.

Gogos: not Bangkok, that is for sure. Foxy Lady: only saw two girls worth doing and both were downing LDs with someone else so I passed. I was there around midnight so maybe I gotta show up earlier. Spotlight: again, 2 good looking girls but a few more who were doables. I took a doable one for ST as I needed to get my rocks off. 500b barfine + 1500b for ST which I negotiated down to 1000b. That one was a bit clingy, maybe that's why she reduced her rate as she thought she would be my GF for the rest of my stay? Hmm, no thanks. I'll won't be back as I don't relish the thought of that one pushing away others I might want to do.

I should take a look at Star Six sometime.

I found the straight massage places I've tried to be just that: straight, no extras offered and reluctant to consider a hotel booking. It's fun to flirt with the good looking girls though, but I haven't made anything happen with one of these. Maybe it's a matter of finding the right places or the right girls?

The usual tourist stuff if you're into that. Sunday Bazaar, Night Bazaar/Anusarn Market, muay thai boxing, lots of temples, lots of mountain excursions for trekking, ziplining, visiting hill tribes, old historical sites, etc. Travel agencies abound for booking these.

I'll be in town for a few more days so send me a PM if you want to meet for a drink or two and compare notes.

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]Yesterday around 7-8pm I went to Sayuri. There were about 30 girls in the fish bowl. I thought maybe 1-2 were good looking, rest were average or ugly. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I'm not that picky. I see a ton of beautiful girls on the streets. Anyway, the one I one going to go with was taken at the last minute so I decided to take a stroll to Pandoras. The place had about 10 girls in the fish bowl. 1-3 were decent looking. The one I chose was 'M'. Middle quality/price.

Bath was fair but nothing special, action was a bit boring, a bit rushed, and no 2nd pop. She said 1000BHT extra. She didn't put any effort into the show. I would not recommend and I will not repeat.

Also, price for 'M' was 1800 which is what old reports state. (which means that price of 'B'/regular girl is still likely 1500 and 2500 for 'supermodel. On a sidenote in the 3 times I have gone. There were only a handful of 'supermodels' and they didn't look any hotter or younger than other girls.)

Hopefully someone finds this report useful.[/QUOTE]

If you are even more adventuresome, cross the street from Pandora's and there is a small roadside Issan outdoor restaurant. Order the somtam and maybe some other Issan favorites......excellent.....but a lot of flies.....

[QUOTE=Finrod]My $.02 on CM mongering:

Sayuri's prices are 1000b for girls with no letter with their numbers; 1150b for "B"; 1300b for "M". I had a Euro monger to thank for enlightening me on the prices before I got around to picking a girl from the fishbowl. I didn't think the "M girls were that much better than the others, but I did end up picking one who gave decent service. Not remembering where she was from. Have not visited Pandora.
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These prices are very accurate.....but as Tiger says....don't talk to the Papa if you want these prices....you will certainly be quoted 2,000 THB or more getting one of these scumbags involved in your transaction......better just to plunk down your money at the desk and hope for the best.

[quote=finrod]i should take a look at star six sometime.[/quote]first, i would like to give a big +1 on your whole report. it reflects my experience quite well.

i think for gogos, you want to go around 830. this is going to be the high time most of the days.

i wanted to check out star six. on ground floor level there is a massage place that is surely offering extras. staircase to star six is dark and off to the right side. i go up 2 flights (following a girl) and finally reach a shoddy door on the left side. there is a poster that says 150bht entrance fee. inside is well lit and quite bright after walking up the dark staircase. i peek in and see a small bar. i don't see any people in there anywhere (even though it was the only place the girl i followed could've entered). i hear no music. i guess i should've walked in to at least see if there are people there but didn't get a good vibe from the place and decided to leave.

Does anybody know if Banilah guest house is guest-friendly / whether the staff will raise any objections if you bring someone home for the night?

[quote=lover boy #2]these prices are very accurate.....but as tiger says....don't talk to the papa if you want these prices....you will certainly be quoted 2,000 thb or more getting one of these scumbags involved in your transaction......better just to plunk down your money at the desk and hope for the best.[/quote]
the papasan called the girl for me at sayuri, but i still got the local pricing. i think that was because he saw me talking to the euro guy (who had been there several times before) and knew i wasn't going to be conned into paying higher prices. so i was charged 1300b without discussion at the cashier's window for the "m" girl i picked.

one thing i read elsewhere regarding sayuri: don't let a tuk-tuk bring you to this place; your price may get bumped 500b which goes to the tuk-tuk driver as commission. not an issue for me as i walked there. good exercise, that, not too hot at this time of year. it was implied that this goes for pandora as well. i'll see if i can get around to there before i leave town.

[quote=dcpublius]i wanted to check out star six. on ground floor level there is a massage place that is surely offering extras. staircase to star six is dark and off to the right side. i go up 2 flights (following a girl) and finally reach a shoddy door on the left side. there is a poster that says 150bht entrance fee. inside is well lit and quite bright after walking up the dark staircase. i peek in and see a small bar. i don't see any people in there anywhere (even though it was the only place the girl i followed could've entered). i hear no music. i guess i should've walked in to at least see if there are people there but didn't get a good vibe from the place and decided to leave.[/quote]
i went to star six: the 150b entry fee includes your first drink so it's not that bad a deal. it was quiet at 9:30pm or so, just 6 girls present and a few customers. but patience prevailed, the crowd and the action does eventually pick up. you can do some mutual groping with the girls when you buy lds for them. not sure all of them will do that, but mine did. lds were 80b (they look like tiny glasses of non-alcoholic punch), bf is 500b + 1500b tip for st. i wasn't feeling well so i passed and did not try to negotiate, but some of the girls are doable. i was also told there are st rooms on the premises: takes another 350b to book one of those. maybe they're using the rooms from the massage parlor downstairs?

Last time I went to Star Six around 8pm there was nothing, it was not open. I went again yesterday around midnight. The place was relatively packed.

In contrast to the other 2 gogos, Star Six has girls put on shows instead of lazily dancing the whole time. Additionally, they wear pasties here.

However, the place is super dark. You can hardly tell what you are looking at. I couldn't really tell if a girl had a pretty face or not. It's simply too dark!

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]Last time I went to Star Six around 8pm there was nothing, it was not open. I went again yesterday around midnight. The place was relatively packed.

In contrast to the other 2 gogos, Star Six has girls put on shows instead of lazily dancing the whole time. Additionally, they wear pasties here.

However, the place is super dark. You can hardly tell what you are looking at. I couldn't really tell if a girl had a pretty face or not. It's simply too dark![/QUOTE]star x never has any action before lets say 10 or so and is mostly geared towards thais, it definitely has its merits as far as service is concerned.

Saturdays at 11 there is a show reminiscent to soi cowboy with pasties however, not too bad. I mean for Chiang Mai.

First visit to Sayuri Center / first encounter in SEA, and something of a disappointment. I'm pretty sure I got the wrong place, faced with closed doors and dark rooms I wandered around until I got pulled into the massage place on the fourth floor. Not quite sure if I was in the right place or not at first I accepted a massage from one of the three women there. 300B for an oil massage + 500B for what turned out to be a CBJ. Massage was OK, she made the right moves but seemed to lack conviction / didn't do them hard enough. She stripped a piece at a time during the massage, then did a CBJ which was adequate but unexceptional (I had to think of something else to get off in the end), before completing the massage / donning one piece per section of the massage. I find it hard to complain much for 800B, but not really what I was expecting.

I think I should have gone straight ahead after climbing the first set of stairs (taking the left-hand flight). The door was closed which was why I didn't, but I probably should have knocked / pushed it open.

Advice for those avoiding the 500B taxi surcharge: The 'Siam Royal Orchid' marks where you should turn from Charoen Muang Road to Bumram Road (and might be a good place to tell your taxi to drop you), but it has no English signage. It's a big bank with a bird symbol, if you need to recognise it.

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[QUOTE=Anomolous Rabbit]First visit to Sayuri Center / first encounter in SEA, and something of a disappointment. I'm pretty sure I got the wrong place, faced with closed doors and dark rooms I wandered around until I got pulled into the massage place on the fourth floor.

I think I should have gone straight ahead after climbing the first set of stairs (taking the left-hand flight). The door was closed which was why I didn't, but I probably should have knocked / pushed it open.
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Right place but wrong floor...you should have entered either of the tinted doors. The one on the left goes into a lounge and you just need to go towards the back and around the partition to the fishbowl. The one on the right goes directly into the fishbowl area.

Going up, up the stairs takes you to the 'traditional' thai massage not the soapie/fishbowl.

It's been awhile for me...i usually pay between 1000b-1300b depending on the girls letter.

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]Last time I went to Star Six around 8pm there was nothing, it was not open. I went again yesterday around midnight. The place was relatively packed.

In contrast to the other 2 gogos, Star Six has girls put on shows instead of lazily dancing the whole time. Additionally, they wear pasties here.

However, the place is super dark. You can hardly tell what you are looking at. I couldn't really tell if a girl had a pretty face or not. It's simply too dark![/QUOTE]

Between Foxy/Spotlight/StarSix...i prefer StarSix. It's dark but your eyes adjust after awhile and it's a good idea to pick a gal after getting a better view of her while she's on stage.

Overall, i just like the atmosphere, the girls outfits and the look of the girls better at StarSix.

Chiang Mai Review:

Bangkok built my confidence up and then chiang mai knocked it back down. I only shagged 1 girl and got a rub and tug one time, although admittedly both were very nice. But a couple nights I went out with a wad of condoms and money in my pocket determined to have some fun and came back with it all still there. My only consolation was text messaging a couple of the girls I met in Bangkok, wishing I was there with them. All in all, not a good place to go if you want some warmth and companionship.

The girls have more of a lighter, Chinese look rather than the exotic tan looks you see more down south.

Starsix: unattractive thick girls with thunder thighs. I didn't stay too long

Spotlight: 2 or 3 girls were pretty attractive, but I didn't take anyone

Foxy Lady: 1 or 2 attractive girls, but stayed in the corner the whole time

Loh Kroh Beer bars:

Most of the bars had 2 or 3 cute girls.

I don't know if I was doing something wrong, but I couldn't get the girls to warm up to me. They were all friendly to get you into the bar, but then they'd go cold and lose interest once I had sat down and ordered a drink. A lot of them just didn't seem too friendly.

Is the trick to proposition the girls standing outside instead of sitting down and ordering a drink? Are a lot of the girls just not barfineable?

On my last night I was sitting with a girl at a beerbar around closing time and then she said she doesn't go home with any guys and will only sleep with a guy who's her boyfriend. So that about summed it up for me. I walked home alone.

Chiang Mai was almost like being back in the US.

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[QUOTE=Barko]OT is a disgraceful dump. It really is.

What you may find there however are many very pretty hilltribe girls that don't really want to go the full on bar girl or BKK soapie/oily route. Many are very cute, many are very nice, many are simply real for real girls desperately trying to get by without becoming full on hookers.

Take your time choosing, talk to the papa a bit, relax have a beer. When you book the girl in the little bowl, say you want the oil massage, this will mean "I want a handjob". Most of the girls there will not go the full sex thing, but will give you a HJ for 500B. In this case, you can meet and get to know super cute girls that are not full on P4P (Sayuri, Pandoras, Star 6, Foxy, etc.) Get their phone number, meet them later, go have a cheap dinner, stay out all night at a 'Suan Ahahn", have fun real for real girls that don't have multiple tramp stamps, and P4P hangups, etc.

Once you get to know one, you will meet many, the cute hilltribe girls (mostly Lisu) can become great friends that can take you places that you could/would never ever possibly know about, and can willingly become super adventurous bedtime partners.

Chiang Mai is a strange place. I don't live there any more, but OT was a fun departure from the standard stuff around town. Sleazy as hell, but fun nonetheless.
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Agreed! Went there almost everyday during my last 2 weeks visit in July. Loved it. Cute, interesting (because with a different background) girls. I found the line-up to be much better than at Pandora. Most don't speak English and their massage skills are very limited most of the time so it's a good idea to go for oil. My experience is that some offered FS for 1K though. Did indulge a few times.
Finding it was a bit tricky. It's the building opposite Pandora basically. Just go inside from either side and look for the stairs at the left side of the "reception" when facing it.
It'd be great to have a similar place in Bangkok.

Is there anywhere to get BBBJ in Chiang Mai? I'm 0/3 so far.

For everything else, I can very much recommend Fai (#77 at Spotlight). Wonderful GFE and gave every sign of enthusiam in the sack.

Brief review of the three main GoGos in Chiang Mai (only been once to each)

Spotlight: Pretty girls sort of dancing around some poles. Nice atmosphere, a good 'default'.

Foxy Lady: I was not impressed. Relatively plain girls dancing in a very lackadaisical fashion and not all that friendly.

Star XIX: They're right about it being dark, and the flashing lights can make it hard to see what's happening on stage properly. However they do actual shows with a theme and proper dancing and group co-ordination. I got dragged out onto stage at one point to serve as a focus, that was a good view.

Girls are very physically affectionate, but keep asking you to barfine them. I think they were pretty, but it was kind of hard to tell. Bring a light so you can see which notes you're counting out.

[QUOTE=Evianist]
Starsix: unattractive thick girls with thunder thighs. I didn't stay too long
Spotlight: 2 or 3 girls were pretty attractive, but I didn't take anyone
Foxy Lady: 1 or 2 attractive girls, but stayed in the corner the whole time
Loh Kroh Beer bars:
Most of the bars had 2 or 3 cute girls.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the talent available in Chiang Mai bars is not great. I find the gogo bars surprisingly disappointing for example, both in term of line-up and entertainment.


[QUOTE=Evianist]
I don't know if I was doing something wrong, but I couldn't get the girls to warm up to me. They were all friendly to get you into the bar, but then they'd go cold and lose interest once I had sat down and ordered a drink. A lot of them just didn't seem too friendly.[/QUOTE]

Well I know what you mean and I believe the trick is that most girls just don't go too often with customers and earn their money with ladydrinks. It's not really that they don't want to go but more that they are not really used to it because many chiang mai customers are young Farangs who travel with friends and do not indulge or only occasionally. So basically they're happy to pay a few drinks and have fun hanging out with their pals in the bars before going to Spicy but they're not really punters.


[QUOTE=Evianist]
Is the trick to proposition the girls standing outside instead of sitting down and ordering a drink? Are a lot of the girls just not barfineable?[/QUOTE]

I believe all are barfineable but some might just want to earn a bit of cash with drinks and then head for Spicy and try to get a young drunk Farang who's going to pay 1K for LT and might pass out quickly.


[QUOTE=Evianist]
On my last night I was sitting with a girl at a beerbar around closing time and then she said she doesn't go home with any guys and will only sleep with a guy who's her boyfriend. So that about summed it up for me. I walked home alone.

Chiang Mai was almost like being back in the US.
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Dude go to Pattaya, it's a completely different story, the girls know why they're there/what they're supposed to do and they're all after ST or LT. Mostly LT by the way. And there are many more to choose from too.

Greeting Fellow Mongers! Just moved here after 4 years in China, interested in getting to know the venues and other local mongers. Would appreciate any info on out-call massage joints that provide full service. In return, would reciprocate with a beer and/or trade info on China.

-OMD

[QUOTE=Anomolous Rabbit]Is there anywhere to get BBBJ in Chiang Mai? I'm 0/3 so far.

For everything else, I can very much recommend Fai (#77 at Spotlight). Wonderful GFE and gave every sign of enthusiam in the sack.[/QUOTE]


Try the 2 lady houses on Ninanmeinhenman Rd between Soi 13-15. Almost all the girls will do. Ask be4 hand. 4-500 bht
Also never heard of Banilah guest house. So many GHouses in CM not familiar with that one. When checking in just ask.

Been staying in chiang mai for a couple of weeks with my friends. All in our twenties, but we're not the smug backpacker type. We spent a week before in Bangkok, and had a fantastic time there. It's my first time in thailand, though have read this site a while, and spent a few months in indonesia. A couple strange moments in BKK:

Went on a date with a sweet shy office girl. She's sober and we're eating dinner at a restaurant. The conversation has been quite polite so far. Suddenly she just asks 'Do you want to sleep with me?'. I almost spat out my green curry. That was the "welcome to thailand" moment for me.

My friend barfined a girl in Nana plaza, and promptly banged her LT. The next morning he tried to pay her and she seemed shocked/upset that he was trying to give her money, and would not accept any! What does that mean?

Stumbling out of BKK into chiang mai

Went to Foxy Lady one night. My friend barfines a girl, we go to Hotshot club. The girl tries to make him buy drinks for all her friends. She's a real piece of work and even my drunk friend realises this. So he tells her 'Just go with your friends, I dont want to be with you' . The girl just loses her rag completely. She looks furious, is spitting thai at him, and starts slapping him. After each slap, she only seems to get angrier, consecutive slaps becoming harder and harder. He just starts to walk away, she chases him down, before he gets to the door, she grabs a bottle and smashes it over his head... He doesn't even flinch, just looks genuinely puzzled as to why this girl is so f***ing crazy. The girl honestly wants to kill him, I'm sure if she'd had a gun she wouldn't have hesitated to blow him away. By this point I'm worried that a thai guy is going to do that for her, because while my friend honestly acted like a saint (well, a saint who just barfined a girl and took her to hotshot), I realise that a hooker screaming in thai could pretty easily turn the crowd against us. So I get him out of the club as fast as I can. Another bottle smashes behind us as we leave, thrown by the same psycho. Eventually the security come ... thankfully we had barfined a sane girl, who had seen everything and was able to explain to the guards in thai.

We split up into two smaller groups. Friend goes to hospital and gets stitches in head.. the rest go to Foxy Lady and tell mamasan she has employed a psychopath. She refunded our barfine (a refund in thailand! I was amazed) and promised that the girl will never work there again - hopefully true because I can't imagine that bottling customers is good for business. Pic of psycho is attached, I don't know her name

Observations about CM:
there seem to be tons of 'hidden' places, like the fishbowl shops (girls behind glass with numbers), had a friend take us on a tour and got the sense we were only scratching the surface there. However these shops are not my cup of tea, it feels too clinical.

The gogo bars are far behind those of BKK, all disappointing after having visited nana plaza. Perhaps it's necessary to go early to get the prettier girls before they are snapped up.

It is VERY hard to meet girls here via the internet. In bangkok it was possible to have a new internet freebie each day, here in chiang mai it's seriously hard to get even one, the difference astonishes me. I'm average looking 22yr old guy and have never had an issue in any other asian city. Here in CM, the non-working girls run circles around me and it feels like being back in Europe !

There is a severe shortage of hot working girls here. I think all the best ones move to BKK where they can make more money / be more anonymous.

Conclusion: There is an extensive fishbowl / ST scene here, which I'm not expert on. Otherwise, CM is very disappointing in the sex department.

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Does anyone know where it is possible to obtain real Cialis? Found some but despite having the Lilly box, there was no hologram - does this mean it's fake? I would like to try it but haven't found trustworthy source.

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Nice report Pwease. I am in my 20s also and probably saw you guys walking around at some point.

I too found it very hard to meet girls in Chiang Mai, either working or non-working, whereas in Bangkok everywhere I go I have a cute pair of female eyes on me.

[quote]The next morning he tried to pay her and she seemed shocked/upset that he was trying to give her money, and would not accept any! What does that mean?[/quote]

This happened to me in Bangkok. I had a girl who didn't want to leave and didn't want any money. I guess it just happens sometimes.

It may however simply be a ploy to try to convince him that she really likes him so that he'll be even more generous with his money than he would have been otherwise.

Enjoyed your report as I contemplate making it to CM someday.

However, one question?

You are 22 and looking to purchase Cialis?

I thought that was only for old dudes like myself?

[QUOTE=Tomasb]You are 22 and looking to purchase Cialis?

I thought that was only for old dudes like myself?[/QUOTE]Cialis + youth = superhuman

[QUOTE=Pwease]Been staying in chiang mai for a couple of weeks with my friends. All in our twenties, but we're not the smug backpacker type. We spent a week before in Bangkok, and had a fantastic time there. It's my first time in thailand, though have read this site a while, and spent a few months in indonesia. A couple strange moments in BKK:

Went on a date with a sweet shy office girl. She's sober and we're eating dinner at a restaurant. The conversation has been quite polite so far. Suddenly she just asks 'Do you want to sleep with me?'. I almost spat out my green curry. That was the "welcome to thailand" moment for me.

My friend barfined a girl in Nana plaza, and promptly banged her LT. The next morning he tried to pay her and she seemed shocked/upset that he was trying to give her money, and would not accept any! What does that mean?

Stumbling out of BKK into chiang mai

Went to Foxy Lady one night. My friend barfines a girl, we go to Hotshot club. The girl tries to make him buy drinks for all her friends. She's a real piece of work and even my drunk friend realises this. So he tells her 'Just go with your friends, I dont want to be with you' . The girl just loses her rag completely. She looks furious, is spitting thai at him, and starts slapping him. After each slap, she only seems to get angrier, consecutive slaps becoming harder and harder. He just starts to walk away, she chases him down, before he gets to the door, she grabs a bottle and smashes it over his head... He doesn't even flinch, just looks genuinely puzzled as to why this girl is so f***ing crazy. The girl honestly wants to kill him, I'm sure if she'd had a gun she wouldn't have hesitated to blow him away. By this point I'm worried that a thai guy is going to do that for her, because while my friend honestly acted like a saint (well, a saint who just barfined a girl and took her to hotshot), I realise that a hooker screaming in thai could pretty easily turn the crowd against us. So I get him out of the club as fast as I can. Another bottle smashes behind us as we leave, thrown by the same psycho. Eventually the security come ... thankfully we had barfined a sane girl, who had seen everything and was able to explain to the guards in thai.

We split up into two smaller groups. Friend goes to hospital and gets stitches in head.. the rest go to Foxy Lady and tell mamasan she has employed a psychopath. She refunded our barfine (a refund in thailand! I was amazed) and promised that the girl will never work there again - hopefully true because I can't imagine that bottling customers is good for business. Pic of psycho is attached, I don't know her name

Observations about CM:
there seem to be tons of 'hidden' places, like the fishbowl shops (girls behind glass with numbers), had a friend take us on a tour and got the sense we were only scratching the surface there. However these shops are not my cup of tea, it feels too clinical.

The gogo bars are far behind those of BKK, all disappointing after having visited nana plaza. Perhaps it's necessary to go early to get the prettier girls before they are snapped up.

It is VERY hard to meet girls here via the internet. In bangkok it was possible to have a new internet freebie each day, here in chiang mai it's seriously hard to get even one, the difference astonishes me. I'm average looking 22yr old guy and have never had an issue in any other asian city. Here in CM, the non-working girls run circles around me and it feels like being back in Europe !

There is a severe shortage of hot working girls here. I think all the best ones move to BKK where they can make more money / be more anonymous.

Conclusion: There is an extensive fishbowl / ST scene here, which I'm not expert on. Otherwise, CM is very disappointing in the sex department.

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Does anyone know where it is possible to obtain real Cialis? Found some but despite having the Lilly box, there was no hologram - does this mean it's fake? I would like to try it but haven't found trustworthy source.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Wish I was 20 again, but I am more than 3 times as old as you are. So there is more than enough pussy for my needs in Chiang Mai. Not free anymore, but at a reasonable price! 10.000 expats are in town and many thousands of tourists. Chiang Mai is not a big city, so the local girls shy away. There are several big Universities. Most of the hot girls you see on the street will be students. Normally they are "good girls", who do not go with farang. Yesterday I revisited Sayuri at about 7pm. The fishbowl was full, not even enough sitting space for everybody, because the Papasan was giving instructions to all. Half of girls wore their conservative street clothes without a number of course and no makeup. It was quite exciting! One of the girls really turned me on that way, but suddenly all, who were not on duty, disappeared through the back door. I asked the papsan for her number, but he did not know. Hope I recognize her next time, in her working girl outfit. I revisited OT. They have some more new and younger girls now. 500 THB for 1 1/2 hours oil massage + 500 Baht for happy end. They have done a bit of redecorating. It is not the dump it used to be.

[QUOTE=Pwease]Conclusion: There is an extensive fishbowl / ST scene here, which I'm not expert on.[/QUOTE]

That sounds interesting, i.e. something I haven't heard about before .. The only fishbowls I know about in CM are the few "massage" places. Then there's Loi Kroh, and expensive KTVs. And a bit further into the dark there are less expensive KTV lounge places. At one I had a girl who drove me to a ST motel nearby on her motorbike. That was up around Taewarit Rd, to the west of Santitham Rd, to the northwest of the old town. Another area was along Chiangmailand Rd, to the southeast. No big scene, just a few joints to pick through carefully ..

[QUOTE=Pwease]
My friend barfined a girl in Nana plaza, and promptly banged her LT. The next morning he tried to pay her and she seemed shocked/upset that he was trying to give her money, and would not accept any! What does that mean?
[/QUOTE]
This is a confusing thing. Its usually more likely that the girl is insulted by the amount being offered is too low. But if a guy and a girl have a very close rapport, its just possible the girl will not charge for the night, based on viewing him as a new boyfriend. This is more likely with a newer bar-girl who is not yet fully accustomed to always receiving money for fucking.

Another possibility. Some bar-girls (not many) don't normally go with customers for paid sex, and may not even consider themselves to actually be "hookers". i.e. I have met girls in the bar that say its O.K. to bar-fine them but they will not boom-boom, especially serving staff. Some bar-girls do special dance shows for a living and may refuse to go for sex. These girls may make exceptions for a guy that really excites them.

Try this link : [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?safe=off&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104461705626432683537.00045c2d79c4a9b9e01b2&t=h&ll=18.79273,98.988276&spn=0.057935,0.106773&z=14[/url]

[QUOTE=Wangrin]Try this link : [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?safe=off&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104461705626432683537.00045c2d79c4a9b9e01b2&t=h&ll=18.79273,98.988276&spn=0.057935,0.106773&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wangrin]Try this link : [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?safe=off&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104461705626432683537.00045c2d79c4a9b9e01b2&t=h&ll=18.79273,98.988276&spn=0.057935,0.106773&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]

Nice and very useful map! Hope other members will help to update it a little. I have not found any brothels in the area East of Chayapoom Road. Must have been in the good old days! The Sakuri on the East end of Sridornchai Road. That has been mentioned in this forum before, is for sale now. There is another Sakuri nearby, in the last soi on the right (south) side of Sridornchai, before Charoen Prathet. You enter through a Japanese Restaurant. I was quoted 200THB/hour for massage. They can take only 2 customers at a time and were busy so I will check some other day. There is another big massage place obviously for the needs of older Japanese gentlemen on the East end of Sridornchai, between Changklan and Charoen Prathet. I do not know, if they offer any extras. I tried again: if there is a cute girl sitting in front of a massage shop on Loi Kroh Road. At least Happy end is offered. There may be exceptions, but I have not found any yet. Standard price is 500THB for HJ + about 200 to 350/hour for massage. It is a shame, that many pretty Thai girls are getting almost as chubby as the farang. Is it the fast food? Relax Express have a branch in Kotchsarn Soi 1 now, but in both shops there is a queue and therefore no photo album to choose from. You cannot even have a look at the girls. Has anybody been to Relax Express recently?

Indeed Relax Express (main branch under Centara Duang Tawan and smaller + cheaper branch opposite Imperial Maeping) stopped showing pictures.

You can still ask for your favourite no. Or name if you remember, however the selection hasn't improved.

Got an old favourite but her attitude and service were so below standard that I'll never have her again. What's wrong with these girls? Do they get lazy because some stupid guys pay too much tip?

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Nice and very useful map! Hope other members will help to update it a little. I have not found any brothels in the area East of Chayapoom Road. Must have been in the good old days! The Sakuri on the East end of Sridornchai Road. That has been mentioned in this forum before, is for sale now. There is another Sakuri nearby, in the last soi on the right (south) side of Sridornchai, before Charoen Prathet. You enter through a Japanese Restaurant. I was quoted 200THB/hour for massage. They can take only 2 customers at a time and were busy so I will check some other day. There is another big massage place obviously for the needs of older Japanese gentlemen on the East end of Sridornchai, between Changklan and Charoen Prathet. I do not know, if they offer any extras. I tried again: if there is a cute girl sitting in front of a massage shop on Loi Kroh Road. At least Happy end is offered. There may be exceptions, but I have not found any yet. Standard price is 500THB for HJ + about 200 to 350/hour for massage. It is a shame, that many pretty Thai girls are getting almost as chubby as the farang. Is it the fast food? Relax Express have a branch in Kotchsarn Soi 1 now, but in both shops there is a queue and therefore no photo album to choose from. You cannot even have a look at the girls. Has anybody been to Relax Express recently?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wangrin]Try this link : [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?safe=off&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104461705626432683537.00045c2d79c4a9b9e01b2&t=h&ll=18.79273,98.988276&spn=0.057935,0.106773&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]

Excellent map, exactly what I was looking for!

I picked up a freelancer last night off the street, service wasn't too bad (BBBJ and CFS), though she certainly needed some dental work done.

-OMD

[QUOTE=D Cups]The great thing about vitamin C and V is that you can drink to your heart's content and still bang like teenager![/QUOTE]

I've been getting terrible headaches doing this though...

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]I've been getting terrible headaches doing this though...[/QUOTE]

I too get the headaches from them. I saw an oral jelly from India that works the same and is reported to not give headaches (Start with a K, but forgot the full name). In the PI it's about 100 PHP for one pouch, maybe you can find it here, but I think BKK or Pattaya might yield better results.

-OMD

[QUOTE=Crypton]When I was in CM in July, I ran out and tried to buy some generic stuff at a couple of different pharmacies. Both of them told me that they only have the real stuff - which, of course, is very expensive. I suggest stocking up when you are in Bangkok. Not sure how long the supply from India will last because India has signed on to WTO and is changing its patent laws.[/QUOTE]A very old post. Anyone know of a pharmacy in CM where you can get Viagra, Kamagra, Levitra stuff?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Cwizy]A very old post. Anyone know of a pharmacy in CM where you can get Viagra, Kamagra, Levitra stuff?

Cheers[/QUOTE]


On Ratjadamnern road, i.e. just west of Thapae Gate there are two pharmacies on the south side of the road. They both sell Kamagra for about 400 baht for a strip of four pills. I suppose they have the other stuff as well.

They deal with Farang all of the time and speak good English, so there shouldn't be any communication problems.

Planning on heading back to LOS soon, wondering if anyone has info on Takeout/pickup joints or Houses.

As far as houses, the only ones i've heard of are the Nimanehaimen(Sp?) soi 13/15 ones, but I've never ventured there. Any comments on the quality and price?

I've been to the Gogo's, Beer Bars, and Spicy. I honestly prefer more low-key places that aren't entirely tourist centered and cater to locals also. I liked how the Thermae cafe operated in BKK, and there are some places there where you can 'takeout' KTV girls without having to book a room and sing with friends. Any thoughts? I heard Bubbles was a pickup joint but is nearly dead or on the fritz. There are tons of hot KTV girls in CM but most places seem to require to drop alot of money on drinking and singing before you can get anywhere.

[QUOTE=Chiang Guy]On Ratwithi road, i.e. just west of Thapae Gate there are two pharmacies on the south side of the road. They both sell Kamagra for about 400 baht for a strip of four pills. I suppose they have the other stuff as well.

They deal with Farang all of the time and speak good English, so there shouldn't be any communication problems.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.

[QUOTE=Lost99]As far as houses, the only ones i've heard of are the Nimanehaimen(Sp?) soi 13/15 ones, but I've never ventured there. Any comments on the quality and price?[/QUOTE]

I hung around long enough to drink a beer, but saw nothing remotely palatable.

[QUOTE=Lost99]There are tons of hot KTV girls in CM but most places seem to require to drop alot of money on drinking and singing before you can get anywhere.[/QUOTE]

10 or so posts ago I wrote: "up around Taewarit Rd, to the west of Santitham Rd, to the northwest of the old town." I had a beer, papasan approached after a while, I confirmed I wanted a girl, he started to bring over candidates, I picked one, some guy outside took us to a shorttime motel on his motocy. It was around 1000 or 1500 baht, I forget ..

I picked up a couple of them on separate nights last week. The first one was from the inner moat of the old city (Moon Muang Rd.), just a tad bit North of Thapae Gate. Quality of these gals range from so-so to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor. The second one was pulled from Loi Khro Rd. late at night and she was much better in looks and service. Damage was 500 THB either way, plus some tuk-tuk money as I didn't want to haul them back to their street corner.

A word to noobs and tourists: It appears to me on the inner moat (Moon Muang Rd.) are where the real female hookers sell their service, while the outer side of the moat (Khotchasan Rd.) is were the imposter's (ladyboy's) setup shop. LKR seems to be OK, but would need to go later at night (i.e. past midnight).

-OMD

Is there a bar or pub where farangs hang out? A place where a visiting farang might meet a monger who knows where to go and not waste time searching for mis-right?

Hi,

Any brothers know of any place that knows traditional ball massage(a massage for your vital part not masterbate). This kind of massage, help to clean the vital organ and makes you last longer when performing.

Thanks in advance.

I've tried in Hadyai only.

[QUOTE=Vinny_Viagra]Is there a bar or pub where farangs hang out? A place where a visiting farang might meet a monger who knows where to go and not waste time searching for mis-right?[/QUOTE]

I am pretty much free all the time. Haven't been here long, just a few months, but certainly don't mind meeting up for a little pussy search. I can send ya my mobile if you are a paying member of ISG.

-OMD

[quote=relax man]hi,

any brothers know of any place that knows traditional ball massage(a massage for your vital part not masterbate). this kind of massage, help to clean the vital organ and makes you last longer when performing.

thanks in advance.

i've tried in hadyai only.[/quote]

i think it's better known as a prostate massage. i haven't run into any of these here. either it's a sterile massage or a happy ending one. maybe try advertising on chiang mai city life (google for website) for a professional massage therapist that does house calls and explain to those who call, what it is you seek.

-omd

Chiang Mai and Raming Lodge

Ijust finished my third and last night at the Raming Lodge in Chiang Mai. Must say as a first time visitor that I really like this city. The Lodge is really well located with a good number of lady bars within 100 meters. The Loikroh Rd location is a much narrower one way lane than I had envisioned. If you walk down one side, the ladies will call out to you from the other side. On busy nights it can be a rather festive atmosphere. For me the best part of the trip was being able to sit at the bar with my arms wrapped around an attentive willing lady and watch the other staff members compete in impromptu dirty dance competitions. These girls seem to enjoy the party atmosphere and know how to have a good time. They banter among themselves and the customers and can get quite antimated with mock anger and exaggerated teasing. Last night a small elephant was brought down the narrow sidewalk. Fun to see...although I've seen that in BKK as well.

Bar fines seem to run 400 bhat. I paid 1400 lt my second night here and lucked out with a stellar performer. This night I went short time (1 hr) for 500 to the lady and 400 to the bar. Also nice. I asked both ladies upfront if "smoking" was on the menu and they delivered beautifully. Following my short time on the last night, I went to have a look at Spicy disco which was a fair distance away and quite dead at 10:30. The boxing ring place is an easy walk away from the lodge and is surrounded by lots of lady bars to peruse. I prefered the Loidroh Rd layout.

The Lodge itself is fine and you see punters bringing home the ladies on a regular basis. Staff is very nice. You don't encounter staff when you bring a lady into the building. The elevator is a very short distance from the entrance. Granted there are a fair number of couples here as well...mainly Skandanavian and presumeably liberal. . The wi-fi internet is very "iffy" and I've had to go across the street several times to get online. That's the biggest downside to this place. The hot water for the shower seems to fluctuate a lot. The inroom safe is adequate for 2 nice cameras but not a laptop. However, the place seems pretty secure and I don't mind leaving my old computer out on the desk. The breakfast buffet (Thai and western) is adequate, but not much more. I personally wouldn't take my lt lady to breakfast here in the morning. Didn't even bother to turn on the TV.

In walking around the city I saw the Hotel Duangtawon and must say I don't think much of its location. I dropped into the D2 or Dusit as well as Le Meridian and found both to be stark, modernistic, Miami Beach style places with a very cold atmosphere and empty lobbies. I visited the Riverside Cafe and Bar twice in a row for dinner. Absolutely great place full of tourists with live "easy listening" music for relaxing and enjoying the supurb Thai and western food. I took two different ladys on each occasion and they were thrilled to see the place. Very special for them. Dinner for two with drinks can run 300 to 550 bhat. Highly recommended.

The city itself has a lot of shops with arts and crafts. The night bazaar is worth a quick look but basically a lot of junk. Now onto Udon Thani and the Irish Clock where I have several DIA ladies in waiting. Basically I'll use the bars as a fall back if the DIA prospects fail me. To be continued.

[quote=old mean dog]i think it's better known as a prostate massage. i haven't run into any of these here. either it's a sterile massage or a happy ending one. maybe try advertising on chiang mai city life (google for website) for a professional massage therapist that does house calls and explain to those who call, what it is you seek.

-omd[/quote]
a protrate massage is when you have a finger stuck up your bum and your prostrate is tickled. not, bad but difficult to get used to because it is an odd feeling. a ball massage, in my experience, is just that; more like a foot massage in the ball area. great!

Bizare but enlightening.

I had an odd experience my first night in Chiang Mai that taught me how anxious or hopeful some country ladies can be to meet a "good" farang. In preperation for my one month tour of Thailand, I had been corresponding with a few DIA ladies. My profile was intentionally ambigious about my seriousness but mentioned generous and nice companionship. One Chiang Mai lady had been an on/off chat but agreed to meet me for dinner. She was personable, cute, half my age, but admitted after dinner that she had a serious long distance relationship going on with a European. She skillfully persuaded me to meet up with her "sister" that night who had come to visit her from Ploy...a 6 hour bus ride away. Long story short, this sister had made the bus trip solely to meet me. Unfortunately, she was not my type and spoke little English. At this point I wasn't sure if they were both "serious" ladies or just looking for a nice dinner and a little extra change. Before going to my hotel room, I made a point of telling "country girl" that she wasn't my type and that I wasn't looking for "serious". But if she wanted just for "fun" it would be ok. She was quite agreeable. I offered her money after the sex, but she refused it and left. I felt pretty badly about the whole thing..now understanding there was miscommunication involved. The next day I got a DIA message from "country girl", then a phone call, then an unexpected knock on the door for an inperson appology on my part. We had a friendly serious chat in which I conveyed my deep regrets on the misunderanding. Parted with a hug. Hopefully she felt better. I still feel kinda bad about the whole thing. End of story.

The gracious and considerate manner you handled your situation!

It's hard to argue against that your actions did not score one "goal" for "Falangism"!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]A protrate massage is when you have a finger stuck up your bum and your prostrate is tickled. Not, bad but difficult to get used to because it is an odd feeling. A ball massage, in my experience, is just that; more like a foot massage in the ball area. GREAT![/QUOTE]

LOL, I see. Would seem kind of bold to walk into a place and say you needed someone to massage your balls or nutsack. Might draw some jaw dropping looks and/or outbursts of uncontrolled laughter.

I had to lookup the official terms: Perineum and Pubococcygeus (PC) Muscles.

Good luck in your search and please report if you find a place.

-OMD

Yesterday I checked Chang Spa, on Sridornachai. It is at the end of the last soi before Charoen Prathet. There are spacious private rooms with bathroom. Bath and HJ only: about 500 THB. Bath, massage and HJ: 799 THB. Bath and body to body massage: 999THB. The problem is, that they have a queue. It is OK at TM-places (with optional HJ), but not at a sex oriented place with HJ and Body/Body on the menu. The girl assigned to me, was not cute enough to arouse my desire, so I refused and had an oil massage next door, at Daruma massage (you enter through the restaurant). 200THB per hour. I saw some pretty young girls, but as far as I found out, they do Thai massage only. My oil massage lady was in her late forties. Nice woman, but to excite me for "extras" I need a young and slim girl, so i did not ask for a HJ and it was not offered. The good thing: the lady was not shy, so I was naked, even when on by back, no modesty-towel needed! When I had left the Chang Spa before, I saw one pretty girl hanging around. I would not have refused her. Maybe I try another time, with better luck. The price for a body/body seems reasonable to me - with the right girl of your own choice!

Any advice for GF-hotels in the city, not too expensive (800 - 1200)?

Thanks

Had my prostate etc. Checked at Chiang Mai Ram. Lab and doctor's fee were reasonable. I asked the Urologist about V. Then the in house pharmacists tried to sell me 4 tablets of Levitral for 2700 Baht, 675 Baht per tablet! I cancelled my order. Maybe they make their profit now, by selling overpriced medication to their farang patients? Or is it a fair price for the real stuff?

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I hung around long enough to drink a beer, but saw nothing remotely palatable.

10 or so posts ago I wrote: "up around Taewarit Road, to the west of Santitham Road, to the northwest of the old town. " I had a beer, papasan approached after a while, I confirmed I wanted a girl, he started to bring over candidates, I picked one, some guy outside took us to a shorttime motel on his motocy. It was around 1000 or 1500 baht, I forget.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Tip. Does this place have a name? Any information on finding the building (what it looks like, who to look for). I would def like to check out this place and report more if I can.

Thanks for appreciating my map.

I don't have much time to spend on the forum but I will update the map upon your comments and information. Do not hesitate to add details to your reports so that I can locate them on the map.

[QUOTE=Wangrin]Try this link : [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?safe=off&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=104461705626432683537.00045c2d79c4a9b9e01b2&t=h&ll=18.79273,98.988276&spn=0.057935,0.106773&z=14[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Had my prostate etc. Checked at Chiang Mai Ram. Lab and doctor's fee were reasonable. I asked the Urologist about V. Then the in house pharmacists tried to sell me 4 tablets of Levitral for 2700 Baht, 675 Baht per tablet! I cancelled my order. Maybe they make their profit now, by selling overpriced medication to their farang patients? Or is it a fair price for the real stuff?[/QUOTE]

tiger

In the States and Canada it sells somewhere around $16.00-$18.00 per 20mg. I have always found CM-Ram a little more expensive than pharmacy's around town. But I think that is the case with any institution

[QUOTE=Lost99]Thanks for the Tip. Does this place have a name? Any information on finding the building (what it looks like, who to look for). I would def like to check out this place and report more if I can.[/QUOTE]

Do a search for my posts in the Chiang Mai forum, I'm pretty sure I wrote a report here .. the name is in Thai, I just went in and looked lost and someone eventually came to offer me girls.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Nice report Pwease. I am in my 20s also and probably saw you guys walking around at some point.

I too found it very hard to meet girls in Chiang Mai, either working or non-working, whereas in Bangkok everywhere I go I have a cute pair of female eyes on me.

This happened to me in Bangkok. I had a girl who didn't want to leave and didn't want any money. I guess it just happens sometimes.

It may however simply be a ploy to try to convince him that she really likes him so that he'll be even more generous with his money than he would have been otherwise.[/QUOTE]Its not often the girls get to be fucked by guy in early twenties , its gold. She wanted you for boyfriend to show around town and boast 'look at what i have got' sort of thing. Offering money you treated her like a prostitute , which she is in reality. She wanted to be a girlfriend not a prostitute.

Disappointment for her. She wanted to parade you around as her Trophy boyfriend not as her customer.

[QUOTE=Greed Is Good]tiger

In the States and Canada it sells somewhere around $16.00-$18.00 per 20mg. I have always found CM-Ram a little more expensive than pharmacy's around town. But I think that is the case with any institution[/QUOTE]


Prescriptions at the CM Ram Hospital are inflated. Tell the doctor BEFORE he fills out prescription that you insist the prescription be given directly to YOU and not delivered by the nurse to the Prescription counter in the Ram. Take the prescription to any drug store and get a much better price. The doctor will squirm and insist that he will "get in trouble" with the hospital, but thank him for his efforts and INSIST.

Did a "look-see" at the Hillside Hotel Sauna around 11 pm. Selection was either fat or ugly and the price quoted was 2,500 and 2,000, we laughed and walked out. Went over to the Phu Come Hotel Sauna, selection was a bit better, prices quoted the same. I told him I heard the going rate was 1,000 and 1,400 and he immediately agreed to it. Took one of the 1k girls who actually looked better than the so called models. First was the bath for two which was nice, then a quick shitty massage, followed by a decent ride.

Phu Come is not bad if you need a release, but still better to travel outside of CM.

-OMD

[QUOTE=Old Mean Dog]Did a "look-see" at the Hillside Hotel Sauna around 11 pm. Selection was either fat or ugly and the price quoted was 2,500 and 2,000, we laughed and walked out. Went over to the Phu Come Hotel Sauna, selection was a bit better, prices quoted the same. I told him I heard the going rate was 1,000 and 1,400 and he immediately agreed to it. Took one of the 1k girls who actually looked better than the so called models. First was the bath for two which was nice, then a quick shitty massage, followed by a decent ride.

Phu Come is not bad if you need a release, but still better to travel outside of CM.

-OMD[/QUOTE]

The normal price at Hillside should be 1000 for one hour, and 1200 for 1.5 to 2 hours. If they don't know you or you don't speak Thai it might be a little hard to get these prices.

I don't much bother with the soapies on the west side of town anymore, mainly I just go to Sayuri, since it has better selection and better looking girls (usually).

Anybody in CM at the moment able to comment on safety for tourists given the Red Shirt Raid on the Gov't Building recently? Also, how bearable is the smog from all the brushfires. Air quality an issue?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Lost99]Anybody in CM at the moment able to comment on safety for tourists given the Red Shirt Raid on the Gov't Building recently? Also, how bearable is the smog from all the brushfires. Air quality an issue?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Am in Chiangmai presently. Other than a few vans sporting red flags, I haven't seen anything like protests. The town is in full songkran mode now so the only risk is getting a bucketful of icy water on your face.

Air quality is ok although very humid for some reason ;)

[QUOTE=Lost99]Anybody in CM at the moment able to comment on safety for tourists given the Red Shirt Raid on the Gov't Building recently? Also, how bearable is the smog from all the brushfires. Air quality an issue?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

All is quite up in CM. There's one area of town that is a red shirt rally area, near the East side of the moat, but you if avoid that area (Just in case), you will be fine here. Can't miss the area, got a big red flag flying and some tires for barricades.

-OMD

[QUOTE=Old Mean Dog]All is quite up in CM. There's one area of town that is a red shirt rally area, near the East side of the moat, but you if avoid that area (Just in case), you will be fine here. Can't miss the area, got a big red flag flying and some tires for barricades.

-OMD[/QUOTE]

Near Thapae Gate? that is center of east side of moat.

On a recent trip with Mrs D to CM we headed out to the night bazaar a couple of nights in a row. After walking she usually feels like a foot massage so we headed back down Loi Kroh and picked out a couple of 'respectable' massage places - she could spot the dodgy ones :-)

First night I decided that I had a bit of a sore back so went for the oil option. Headed upstairs with a cutie, who gave me a knowing smile as she pulled the curtain back. Told me to strip and asked about 'special' which for me is better than the will she/won't she suspense & lets me relax fully knowing that there will be a happy ending :) 300/hr + 200 for HJ

Same basic story the second night in a different place except the offer came towards the end and the technique was better and she let my hands roam a little, same price

Sorry can't remember the names but if you're looking for a stealthy HJ Loi Kroh is a good option, having said that can't wait to get back to LOS on my own

Has anybody any reports for Narak massage on Loi Kroh road, a hundred yards or so from the boxing complex?

Spent three nights in Chiang Mai during Songkran. Stayed at Raming Lodge on Loi Kroh and I highly recommend this hotel. The room was very comfortable, location perfect, and the staff was terrific. 2000 baht per night for me and my wife including excellent breakfast buffet. Totally GF too.

My wife and I barfined a very cute girl named Mo from Kooky Bar, which is the first bar on the left as you enter the boxing ring complex from Loi Kroh. Mo is 23, cute face, full lips, firm B cups and great little bubble butt. My wife is bi and we had a blast with this girl. She speaks very good English and has a wicked sense of humor. Terrific GFE/PSE. 1500 baht ST for both of us plus 400 barfine. Well worth it.Treat her right. She's a great girl.

[QUOTE=Cnxguy]Has anybody any reports for Narak massage on Loi Kroh road, a hundred yards or so from the boxing complex?[/QUOTE]Went there a few times clean premises.hot shower afterwards-oil mass. And HJ as pretty much everywhere on Loi Kroh.

I paid 500.

Chiangmai seem too peaceful and not much new report.

Anyone have experience in karaoke or other new places happening?

Ya, its very quiet here, although its high season, its seems more like low season due to the Red shirt protests in BKK - many countries advise against going to Thailand although BKK unaffected.

The result? Many tourist bars/restaurants are empty, and seems easier to negotiate LT/ST prices as WG's are trying to make ends meet.

I was at a massage place and easily talked down the 500baht HJ to 300 without much effort.

Even in high times, Chiang mai is a more laid back and peaceful/quiet place compared to BKK. Massage/Fishbowl/GoGos are in swing still. Karaoke is a difficult option unless you can speak a high level of thai (very few will speak english). If your goal is to get straight to bed Karaoke is a bad value, as you will spend at least 3000 baht for a room/drinks/fees before even taking the girl back. I went with 2 buddies and spent 7000 baht on the fees alone, just singing and drinking. Taking the girl back is 'extra' and you negotiate with her.

KTV is more of an Asian chatting/bonding thing and only good if you can talk to them.

[QUOTE=Finn Mccool]Spent three nights in Chiang Mai during Songkran. Stayed at Raming Lodge on Loi Kroh and I highly recommend this hotel. The room was very comfortable, location perfect, and the staff was terrific. 2000 baht per night for me and my wife including excellent breakfast buffet. Totally GF too.

My wife and I barfined a very cute girl named Mo from Kooky Bar, which is the first bar on the left as you enter the boxing ring complex from Loi Kroh. Mo is 23, cute face, full lips, firm B cups and great little bubble butt. My wife is bi and we had a blast with this girl. She speaks very good English and has a wicked sense of humor. Terrific GFE/PSE. 1500 baht ST for both of us plus 400 barfine. Well worth it.Treat her right. She's a great girl.[/QUOTE]

Any pictures of the bar or the girl? The names of the bars change often.

[QUOTE=Lost99]I was at a massage place and easily talked down the 500baht HJ to 300 without much effort.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure I am a fan of these sort of "techniques". I am not saying I pity them but I don't think it helps when wealthy foreigners try to squeeze 3 euros out of a poor girl. It certainly isn't something to be proud about.

I remember a girl in a small massage joint in Loy Kroh, 2 years back. I went in for a massage and refused her offer of HJ. She was really disappointed and told me she did not make money from Massages and relied on extra services only. I slipped her 500 tip as I was walking out. she was nice and she gave me a fantastic 2 hours massage so I thought she deserved it.

I went there 2 days later and she was there. She jumped up and was all smiles. We went to the massage room and she thanked me for the money, that I was good heart. She gave me a great 1 hour massage. The second hour however, was spent having sex and she did not ask for a dime.

You get what you pay for I guess ;)

(I still gave her a tip, even though she insisted she did not want it)

Yeah! I agree with you!

Nicfrenchy,

To me it isn't about cutting the girl short. But refusing to be taken advantage of. I live here every year for part of the year and I know for a fact 500 is the typical foreigner rate that most are willing to pay. Many places do 500 all in with the massage. How am I being unfair if I am paying the local rate and the girl agrees to it? The fact that you want to be generous does not mean that my behavior is unfair in any way.

In my experience Locals pay less (but they don't visit the normal foreigner places ie. Loy Kroi). For reference, a construction worker makes only 150 baht a day working 12 hrs in the hot sun. I don't pity a woman paying her 300 for shaking her wrist for 10 min or so. In Thailand everything is a negotiation, so if she is willing to take 'local' instead of 'foriegner' rate then that is her decision. Further, you are thinking in Euros and not Baht, which is a mistake when you live here. Japanese men typically pay around 3000-4000 for ST because that's what the women ask and its 'only' 10K Yen to them, and people here get upset that they are spoiling the market. Does the fact that they overpay make it unfair that you pay less? No because you are still paying at least the local rate. Don't bring your local currency into the argument.

I understand where you are coming from and I"m not trying to pick a fight, but I feel the typical rates/customs take advantage of foreigners and I don't agree with this on principle. If the massage and service is good, I do end up giving her the 500 anyways. If she does this at a bargain rate, then she has earned my repeat business, which benefits her even more in the end. The difference isn't alot of money to me, but I feel they should really earn it instead of just expecting it.

[QUOTE=Lost99]
I don't pity a woman paying her 300 for shaking her wrist for 10 min or so. [/QUOTE]

Exactly right. A HJ is simply a very specific massage. Sure, pay her more than a normal massage tip, but let's not make those few minutes of tugging more dramatic than they are. A HJ is much different than FS.

A Bt300 tip for a few minutes of wank is not out of line, and if she accepts, then that proves the point.

[QUOTE=Lost99]
I understand where you are coming from and I"m not trying to pick a fight, but I feel the typical rates/customs take advantage of foreigners and I don't agree with this on principle. If the massage and service is good, I do end up giving her the 500 anyways. If she does this at a bargain rate, then she has earned my repeat business, which benefits her even more in the end. The difference isn't alot of money to me, but I feel they should really earn it instead of just expecting it.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't trying to pick a fight either, just expressing how I felt.
You explanation was very clear and very understandable, I stand corrected.

By the way, yes, if you live here then these upcountry small massage will be happy with 500 all inc for HJ, and some even will be ok with 1000 all inc for FS.

happy mongering.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am not sure I am a fan of these sort of "techniques". I am not saying I pity them but I don't think it helps when wealthy foreigners try to squeeze 3 euros out of a poor girl. It certainly isn't something to be proud about...I remember a girl in a small massage joint in Loy Kroh, 2 years back. I went in for a massage and refused her offer of HJ. She was really disappointed and told me she did not make money from Massages and relied on extra services only. I slipped her 500 tip as I was walking out. she was nice and she gave me a fantastic 2 hours massage so I thought she deserved it...I went there 2 days later and she was there. She jumped up and was all smiles. We went to the massage room and she thanked me for the money, that I was good heart. She gave me a great 1 hour massage. The second hour however, was spent having sex and she did not ask for a dime. ..You get what you pay for I guess ;)..(I still gave her a tip, even though she insisted she did not want it)[/QUOTE]
Nic, I think you might be a Thai woman's poster boy for [i]jai dee![/i]
;)

I live here too and when I quoted 500 for the massage with HJ then it was the all in price that is customary here for the complete massage

The girls are very happy with that.

If there is any squeezing then it me fooling around with them and they don't mind that either once they know you.

Mr frenchy is really way off here despite his great posts in other matters.

I get regular thai massages here too.

A lot more physical work.100bt plus 50 bt tip. 100-150 that's the going rate

For thai massage and 50 bt tip is over the top if I listen to the misses.

Which I don't, obviously.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54]... A lot more physical work.100bt plus 50 bt tip. 100-150 that's the going rate...[/QUOTE]

Just to confirm what Islandboy54 wrote. In my area (Northeastern Thailand), I pay 100 baht for 90 minutes or 120 baht for two hours of traditional Thai massage. I would not request any extra in this place (the masseuses are not very attractive), but I may pay a visit to a cheap local brothel if I want to have some sex with a young cutie after the massage.

[QUOTE=Goyave]. In my area (Northeastern Thailand), I pay 100 baht for 90 minutes or 120 baht for two hours of traditional Thai massage. I would not request any extra in this place (the masseuses are not very attractive),.[/QUOTE]


So true, not to mention some of the better masseuse are blind and some are male. BTW, some of the more traditional places don't even offer extras and I remember one lady in CM that was a little insulted that I asked for extras, she didn't show it or let on she was insulted, but I definitely felt it as her massage was way way rougher than normal and 2 deep nail indentations to prove it--just to throw this fact out there so don't make the same mistakes.
Cheers

PT

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am not sure I am a fan of these sort of "techniques". I am not saying I pity them but I don't think it helps when wealthy foreigners try to squeeze 3 euros out of a poor girl. It certainly isn't something to be proud about.

I remember a girl in a small massage joint in Loy Kroh, 2 years back. I went in for a massage and refused her offer of HJ. She was really disappointed and told me she did not make money from Massages and relied on extra services only. I slipped her 500 tip as I was walking out. she was nice and she gave me a fantastic 2 hours massage so I thought she deserved it.

I went there 2 days later and she was there. She jumped up and was all smiles. We went to the massage room and she thanked me for the money, that I was good heart. She gave me a great 1 hour massage. The second hour however, was spent having sex and she did not ask for a dime.

You get what you pay for I guess ;)

(I still gave her a tip, even though she insisted she did not want it)[/QUOTE]That a great experience brother,

I was a newbie at this CM forum, would deside to make a visit to Chiang Mai next month. I never visit Chiang Mai before, can any one give me some advice where I the good hotel to stay (of couse not too costy) and where I can get nice girl?

Thank You

I was a newbie at this CM forum, would deside to make a visit to Chiang Mai next month. I never visit Chiang Mai before, can any senior member give me some advice where I the good hotel to stay (of couse not too costy) and where I can get nice girl?

Thank You.

People Place near the Night Bizarre is pretty good. There are 2. I use to stay at the more Upscale one. Fairly nice rooms for 600 to 800 baht. I payed 600 per night when I booked for a week last year.

Also I hear Raming Lodge is good but I never stayed there. I heard the Imm Hotel near McDonalds is fairly reasonable also but can be loud. CM is not too busy now so maybe noise will be low. All of these are near the action. If you book for a week or longer you can probably negotiate a lower price.

It may even pay you to book a hotel for 1 night then spend a couple hours walking around. I know there are bargains as I see many posted.

Good Luck!

Hi every senior,

I was going CM just for a hoiliday trip so will prefer to staying at hotel.

Here is some of the Hotel name that I search from internet, so you guy can anybody give me some advice for the hotel as below?

1) BP Chiangmai City Hotel
2) Star Hotel Chiang Mai
3) Boon Thai
4) New Mitrapap Hotel
5) Imm Eco Chiang Mai

So anybody can give me a advice?

[QUOTE=Tawau Guy]Hi every senior,

I was going CM just for a hoiliday trip so will prefer to staying at hotel.

Here is some of the Hotel name that I search from internet, so you guy can anybody give me some advice for the hotel as below?

1) BP Chiangmai City Hotel
2) Star Hotel Chiang Mai
3) Boon Thai
4) New Mitrapap Hotel
5) Imm Eco Chiang Mai

So anybody can give me a advice?[/QUOTE]


I've stayed at New Mitrapap and the Star Hotel.

Mitrapap is pretty cheap, and has very good wi-fi, a router on each floor. But the style is very basic. Its close to the edge of the night bazaar, but a bit of a sweaty distance from Loi Kroh (beer bar complex). I was even able to play my MMORPG on it.

Star Hotel is pretty much on Loi Kroh, and more hotel like than Mitrapap.

The IMM hotel's facade looks nice, and just above a McDonalds, if you're into that.

Recommend Raming Lodge. Clean and nice hotel. Close to beer bars , some good restaurants. Down the street from night market. Walking distance to gate area and many places along the way. Nice swimming pool if interested. i believe breakfast interested. My choice when I go back

[QUOTE=Mackin]Recommend Raming Lodge. Clean and nice hotel. Close to beer bars, some good restaurants. Down the street from night market. Walking distance to gate area and many places along the way. Nice swimming pool if interested. I believe breakfast interested. My choice when I go back[/QUOTE]I agree. I stayed at the Raming Lodge for three nights in April, during Songkran. I loved the hotel and will stay there again on my next trip in November. The room was great, the staff is wonderful, and the buffet breakfast is excellent. Also, location is perfect.

I am going to Chiang mai in the beginning of august, and got a very good rate at the Centara Duangtawan hotel.

Booked on their own website: [url]http://www.centarahotelsresorts.com/chiangmai_hotels.asp[/url]

Very good price I think. 1100 thb per night in deluxe room.
Without breakfast as I prefer to go out of the hotel for meals.

I think normal price is about 2000 thb per night.

Very good location right in the middle of nightmarket and nightlife.

I have stayed at the IMM Thapae hotel. This is the one with the McDonald's on the ground floor. The rooms are roomy and clean, and the wifi works OK. Got good deals on it via Agoda. Breakfast isn't very good, but you have the McDonald's for that or other restaurants up and down the street.

Thinking of going back to CM for another visit (been several years since my last). Maybe renting a moto this time around. Anyone recommend a good reliable moto rental place near a central location for easy pick up(say like near the Gates area or Ramming lodge/hotel). Need a newer automatic, not the older standard shift bikes. Also, what would be a good price for 3days rental?


PM me with info if you have to.
Thanks in advance.

Shark

[QUOTE=Sharka]Thinking of going back to CM for another visit (been several years since my last). Maybe renting a moto this time around. Anyone recommend a good reliable moto rental place near a central location for easy pick up(say like near the Gates area or Ramming lodge/hotel). Need a newer automatic, not the older standard shift bikes. Also, what would be a good price for 3days rental?


PM me with info if you have to.
Thanks in advance.

Shark[/QUOTE]

I've paid 110 to 140 THB per day for an automatic Honda Dream 125cc. There's a guy that rents those overpowered mopeds pretty much right across the Ramming Lodge.

If you can, take a motorcycle safety course before you go...might save your life.

Went to CEC yesterday and spotted two (eastern europ.) blondes who smiled at me a lot and on the way out waved me into the bar in a way that certainly makes them hookers. When did that happen? Was I dreaming?

[QUOTE=Deal Seeker]I've paid 110 to 140 THB per day for an automatic Honda Dream 125cc. There's a guy that rents those overpowered mopeds pretty much right across the Ramming Lodge.

If you can, take a motorcycle safety course before you go...might save your life.[/QUOTE]


Thanks, I'll look for the place when I arrive.

No need for bike courses as I normally ride a 400cc Honda motocycle at home. Just have to remember Thais drive on the wrong side of the road (from where I'm from)--ha

Shark

shark - the usual problem with someone used to driving on the right side of the road is making RIGHT TURNS. Watch yourself - I wound up on the right side of the road twice. You only get ONE MISTAKE (of significance). Remember - they DO drive on the LEFT...in the MIDDLE...ON THE RIGHT...(where ever they damned well PLEASE...)

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A JOKE OF IT!!! CM traffic wasn't NEARLY as bad as BKK or PATS

[QUOTE=Sharka]Thanks, I'll look for the place when I arrive.

No need for bike courses as I normally ride a 400cc Honda motocycle at home. Just have to remember Thais drive on the wrong side of the road (from where I'm from)--ha

Shark[/QUOTE]

By the way, don't them keep your passport, instead leave a deposit and a photocopy of your passport. They usually take 7000 to 10000 THB that is returned when you return the moped. When they have your passport, they have you by the balls, and can try to extort you for all kinds of bullshit charges if they have your passport.

[QUOTE=Deal Seeker]By the way, don't them keep your passport, instead leave a deposit and a photocopy of your passport. They usually take 7000 to 10000 THB that is returned when you return the moped. When they have your passport, they have you by the balls, and can try to extort you for all kinds of bullshit charges if they have your passport.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the reminder.
But this whole passport thing was always hit/miss for me. Sometimes they would not rent me anything without leaving the PP first, regardless of what deposits I put down. This occurs sometimes with outside shop bike rentals but seems to ALWAYS require to keep the PP when you rent it via your hotel.

Also, once when I did leave a deposit (I think it was about 5000b) and got to keep my PP, upon bike return, they still try to extort me for BS charges and other stuff and refuse to give back the full deposit. So, can't win either way.

Shark

[QUOTE=Dinghy]shark - the usual problem with someone used to driving on the right side of the road is making RIGHT TURNS. Watch yourself - I wound up on the right side of the road twice. You only get ONE MISTAKE (of significance). Remember - they DO drive on the LEFT...in the MIDDLE...ON THE RIGHT...(where ever they damned well PLEASE...)

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A JOKE OF IT!!! CM traffic wasn't NEARLY as bad as BKK or PATS[/QUOTE]


Thanks for your concerns buddy.
But not to worry as if you kept up with me lately, I've gotten back recently from a 10 days Bali mongering trip with another veteran ISG member- Phantomtiger and had a blast wondering around on motos. Bali also drives on the left side. I also rented from other LOS locations in the past (except BKK), but just have to keep reminding myself to STAY LEFT to keep out of trouble.

Shark

every time i say to myself "gee, i've heard(or seen) it all now!" something comes along that makes me "eat my words!" to whit:

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010/06/30/australian-****-arrested-for-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-of-a-minor-in-chiangmai/[/url]

i guess i can die in peace now as nothing in this world can possibly "top" this!

or can it?

[quote=lexb]every time i say to myself "gee, i've heard(or seen) it all now!" something comes along that makes me "eat my words!" to whit:

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010/06/30/australian-****-arrested-for-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-of-a-minor-in-chiangmai/[/url]

i guess i can die in peace now as nothing in this world can possibly "top" this!

or can it?[/quote]


yeah, i saw this on the news myself and couldn't believe it at first.
guess it's the old saying: once a ****, always a ****p.

the most disturbing thing about this whole incident (at least in my mind) is that he finally got caught at age 90, so how much damage has he actually done in say, over 70years?
even if convicted now, he may spend 1-2 year before he croaks, so at this point, the punishment will never fit the crime(s) committed.

strictly imo.

shark

Hi all,

Is there anyone who can recommend a pharmacy to buy cialis in CM. I looking for the real one, unless someone can recommend a place which has only "authentic" copies (like ajanta for example)

Any recommandation on a bisexual escort/massauese in CM would be great too!

Tanks a lot in advance.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]I've been getting terrible headaches doing this though...[/QUOTE]Sorry to reply to old post, but if you are taking "C" it works for 72 hours, so I take it before I go to bed and sleep through the worst side effects. I get headaches and my blood pressure fluctuates so I go from feeling like my face is going to explode to getting very cold and dizzy. Usually by the next morning I don't feel anything and I still get all the benefits for 2 days.

I wrapped up my two week sojourn to the LOS with a 3 and a half day trip to Chiang Mai (17.7 - 20.7). This was my first time visiting this burg, and while I was impressed by the openness and friendliness of the people, I was a bit disappointed with the nightlife and the hobby scene.

I started my first night in town with a little recon. I was staying at the Raming lodge so it was relatively easy to scout the beer bars on Loh Kroh road. Unfortunately, there really wasn’t much to write home about here. At 10 PM most of the places here only had a few girls, none of which I really fancied. As I have had some success picking up freebies and FLs this trip, I decided to check out the club scene. It was also Saturday night so I figured there may be a lot of regular girl types out too. From the thread I gathered that Bubbles, Hot Shot (both at the Pornping Hotel) and Spicy were the places to be. The first two are a short walk from the Hotel. Unfortunately Bubbles is now defunct, having closed about a year ago. Hot Spot is open, but it is more of a place where people go in groups to party together. There are tons of chairs and tables on the floor, making it very difficult to navigate.
There was only one group of 2 girls alone without dudes in tow. And they were soon swooped on by some local guys. Not a real loss, as they weren’t to my taste anyway. I bailed on the place after 1 beer, a little before 1AM.

I thought it was a good time to try Spicy. But the googlemap’s direction for getting there are inaccurate and I soon found myself on the iron bridge that leads away from the center. The bridge is packed with local teens drinking, smoking, trying to cool off in the night breeze off the river, and generally having a good time. I approached a group of them to ask directions to Spicy. Very nice kids, but with the language barrier we didn’t really understand each other. I bid my farewells to them and headed out in what I thought was the right direction, only to be flagged down by one of the kids on a motorbike. He motioned for me to get on and then went out of his way to drive me around town for 15 minutes till we reached Spicy, which is really just outside the southern gate of the city walls. When I tried to give him some money he refused to take it. Eventually I pressed 200 BHT into his hand and told him to buy some drinks and beer for his friends. He smiled and wished me chock dee. Very nice kid. I wish I could speak some Thai, as I think I would have had a great (though most likely non sexual) time hanging out with them on the bridge.

Spicy had been described to me as the “high end nightclub” in the city and I imagined it to look something like the club of the same name in BKK. But this place is strictly a dingy and low rent affair. It makes Walking Street bar in Pattaya look like Studio 54! Its really a converted restaurant with a tiny dance floor that is packed with young farangs hopping up and down. Over weight western girls in (unfortunately) revealing dresses just purchased at the night bazaar. Drunk western dudes in shorts and Beer Chang T-shirts. I man, how frigging retarded can you get? It would be like me coming to San Francisco and then going out clubbing in an Alcatraz T-shirt I just bought in Chinatown. A sprinkling of Thai FLs, but all of them are bottom of the barrel fuggly. Where are the Light skinned Thai-Chinese princesses I have heard so much about? I couldn’t take much more of this and bailed after only one beer.

Decided to walk back towards the hotel and see if there was any trouble to get into along the way. It was about 1:30 Am and most places were either dead or winding down to close. I got approached by a few streetwalkers but 99% of them were LBs. I found this to be the case of the SW scene throughout the trip. I did run into one very cute non LB SW though, but I declined as I still wanted to explore my options. (BIG MISTAKE – read on)

I got back to Loi Kroh road and scouted the bars again. Slim pickings. I made it to the beer bar complex with the boxing ring and was about to quit when I spotted an absolute stunner out of the corner of my eye at the bar in the far right hand corner with the pool table, just past the ring. Petite, light skinned, with an angelic face. I quickly sat down and bought her a drink. Her name was Judy and she had just gotten back from BKK that very evening.
She was there taking her exams as she is studying to be a nurse. We sat and joked and talked for a while. She had some friends at the bar too. A farang-Thai couple who laid out the scene to me. They said Spicy was pretty much the only club in town and that it only started to get filled up at 2AM when all the bar girls got off their shift and started going there. So I probably showed up the too early. But what is the point if this place only brings together the bar girls I passed on earlier in the evening.

Soon our place was s about to close too. The nice couple invited us to come to Spicy with them, but I just didn’t have the energy. I suggested to Judy that we retire to my place, but she said she as very tired from her beat and that she probably could do nothing for me. I let it go at that. But she did ask me to promise to meet her at the bar the next day. I promised I’d try, and bid her a good night.

I ended up going home alone with my prick in my hands. I had several propositions form bar girls on the way back to my room. But I have become pretty picky on this trip and none of the girls met my standards. Lesson learned form Night One: Chiang Mai is a slow little town and pretty dead, even on Saturday night. We are talking slim picking here. Don’t dilly-dally. Snap up the first girl that you find attractive and doable or else you may go to bed without your supper.

I contracted a real bad case of food poisoning form the breakfast buffet at Raming and was completely out of commission the next day. Only left my room to get medicine at the next door pharmacy. Absolute misery! I so wished my little nurse Judy was there to comfort me. What a frigging pisser. I’ve been eating street food with little regard for two weeks and I get sick off the hotel food! Ruined my day and prevented me from seeking out Judy the next night.

Felt a bit better the next day, but was pretty weak and slept in until the afternoon. Decided I needed a real Thai soapy to get me back on track and relieve all the aches and pains form my ordeal. I Decided to check out the massage joints at the Phucome and Chiang Mai Hills hotels and took a cab out there (200 BHT). Both are a bit disappointing. Neither is a real soapy – they don’t do the air mattress or the sliding body massage. They both have two fishbowls with two tiers for girls. 1st ties is 1400 at Phicome and 1500 ad CM hills, 2nd tier is 1000 at both (price is for 90 minutes). There are about 20 girls at each, but much in the way of lineups. Nowhere near the quality you will find at a place like Angel Massage in BKK. However, Phucome did have one very attractive girl in the 1st tier line up. Her name was Fai. Smoking body with a great pair of natural C cups (or the best fakes I’ve ever managed to get my hands on). Cute face, more Chinese than Thai and very light skin.

Fai took me to the room undressed me and gave me a nice scrub down in the Jacuzzi. The room was a little dingy but clean overall and very spacious. Her body was absolutely phenomenal and she maneuvered it well in the tub, getting my dick between her tits as she gave me a good scrub down. BJ was covered (she wanted extra to go uncovered but I declined), and she willingly went through all the positions. Great body and it was fun to bang her in doggy, but the pussy was a little loose as she applied a massive amount of lube. But her body was just a dream and I did manage to come pretty good. Overall the experience was pretty mechanical and lacked the passion I have had at places like Angel in BKK. She kind of pissed me off when she rushed to the bathtub to wash herself off after I licked her ear. I thought that she was finally getting into it and that we were working our way to a more passionate round 2. I ended the session at this point, about 20 minutes short, and left without giving her a tip. I don’t think I’d repeat. Sorry I have just been too spoiled by the GFEs I have on this trip to enjoy this one, though I would probably be ecstatic to run into this kind of experience in a month or two after I’ve been pining away for a beautiful asian girl here in the states.

Got a ride back into town for 100 BHT and did a little shopping at the night bazaar (the tithe for the GF back home LOL). The plan was to hit the beer bars later and try to find Judy. But she wasn’t at her bar On the way to find Judy an absolute cutie caught my eye as I passed Darling bar, so I decided to go back there and give her a better look. I really liked what I saw and settled in to a couch with her on the back. Her name was Mee and she was absolutely adorable. Short, dark and very petite with a cute little Siamese cat face (with sharp little teeth). Also very loud and fun. Soon she was telling me how she wanted to take me home and suck my cock dry. I ordered some food for her form the Chinese place next door. They brought feast for us and I invited the other girls to partake. Though I still felt queasy and only tasted a bit of the food it looked absolutely delicious and only came out to around 300 BHT. Incidentally, I did not find the rest of the girls at the bar even remotely attractive, but I was having a lot of fun laughing and joking with them and I was happy I could buy them a meal. Mee was very attentive to me and kept hugging and kissing me. With dinner done I paid her 400 BHT bar fine and we were back to my room.

Mee was true to her word back at the bar and gave me an amazing BJ. She made me promise not to come as she said she really wanted to fuck my brains out. Soon she was on top and riding me till she came. At this point I shifted her around into mish while still staying inside her and started pounding away again. She just loved this and kept moaning how good I fucked. Soon I came too and we collapsed into each others arms and into a deep sleep.

Poor little Mee slept like a log. I let her sleep in through the next morning. I slept in too and was still pretty beat with my food poisoning so didn’t force the sex at first light issue. By the time I woke up it was 11:30Am and we didn’t have time for a morning round as I had to shower, pack and be out by 12. I really didn’t mind too much. I’ve been having some amazing sex over the last two weeks and considering the long day(s) ahead of me (an elephant trek followed by 36 hrs of travel home) it was probably a good idea to sleep in. Still, I wish we had had time for a morning round as this girl was a lot of fun. I gave her 1000BHT (we never talked about money before hand) and she was very happy, kissing me on the mouth and thanking me for the food form the night before.

The elephant trek was brilliant as was the trip to the Hill tribe villages. Those elephants are simply amazing – they play football and even paint! An the countryside is just lovely. I got plenty of alibi pics to show the folks back home. LOL

All in all CM was fun. The surrounding countryside is stunning and the people are really very kind. But the mongering scene leaves much to be desired. I didn’t really see many of the light skinned Chinese-Thai princesses I had been fantasizing about. Some cute university girls on motorbikes and by the University district, but I didn’t really have the time to explore this option and play the courtship game. I didn’t see these girls out at the clubs on Saturday either. Besides you can find girls that look the same (or even better) in the posh shopping malls in BKK and even Pattaya. If I do go back to CM it will be to do one of the 2 day treks in the hills, not to look for poon. I may even bring a girl with me next time.

If you do come mongering do recognize that your options are limited and be ready to pounce on the first young thing that strikes your fancy. Your choices here are pretty limited.

I hope you guys find this report useful.

Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]


. Where are the Light skinned Thai-Chinese princesses I have heard so much about? [/QUOTE]




You will find more "light skin gals" working in the BKK MPs than you will in all of CM as they can make more money there.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]You will find more "light skin gals" working in the BKK MPs than you will in all of CM as they can make more money there.[/QUOTE]

exactly my conclusion...

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]I wrapped up my two week sojourn to the LOS with a 3 and a half day trip to Chiang Mai (17.7 - 20.7). This was my first time visiting this burg, and while I was impressed by the openness and friendliness of the people, I was a bit disappointed with the nightlife and the hobby scene.[/QUOTE]Hate to admit it but what you have posted is generally true. Which is why I no longer visit CM on a regular basis like I did years ago (and even then it was just a so-so mongering scene compare to the rest of LOS.)

Also, there are some nice lookers around but never that many and the reason you never see them is because once someone finds a real honey and books them, they often book them for multiple days or a week as choices in general are slim.

FZ

UV, I have been enjoying reading your reports very much!

I have not spent a lot of time in CM, but in my limited experience there, I have to agree that if you find an attractive girl that you make a connection with, then barfine her then and there. It really can be hit or miss, and one does not have the options that are available to them in BKK or Pattaya. I may have been very lucky, but I have had a very good time on my two trips to CM, or maybe it's that I am willing to barfine pretty quickly if I like the girl.

Uncle V.,
an excellent report yet again. I've never been to CM, precisely because I suspected things were as you describe them - slow, and a little hit-and-miss. On the other hand, when I am in the mood for a little sight-seeing and interacting with real people, I might just give it a try.

I guess you are back in the States now, suffering the indignity of monogamy. Your reports have been refreshing indeed, and I hope you can find your way back to LOS - for the sake of my reading pleasure, if nothing else.

Many thanks.

and excellent, intuitive observation, Kumbu!

[Quote=Kumbu]...you describe them - slow, and a little hit-and-miss. On the other hand, when I am in the mood for a little sight-seeing and interacting with real people[/Quote]My thought on Chiang Mai when I was there, was that the people were extremely friendly and helpful and that I had really discovered why Thailand is, sometimes, called "The Land of Smiles"(a/k/a the real Thailand!)...as you wrote, Kumbu, real people "echoes" my sentiments, exactly!

Unfortunately, I quickly learned that the biggest "downside" of Chiang Mai is the local girls/women, especially from the "university crowd"(who, IMO, couldn"t have looked cuter dressed in their white blouse/navy skirt school uniforms!) are, generally, anti-falang and even speaking to a falang is a "societal stigma"!(the perception is we are the "sum total" of how we conduct ourselves in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Pattaya, etc.!)

But, as I will be moving there in a few weeks, I look forward to conduct myself in a way that will attempt to "deflect" this perception!

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Uncle V.,
an excellent report yet again. I've never been to CM, precisely because I suspected things were as you describe them - slow, and a little hit-and-miss. On the other hand, when I am in the mood for a little sight-seeing and interacting with real people, I might just give it a try.

I guess you are back in the States now, suffering the indignity of monogamy. Your reports have been refreshing indeed, and I hope you can find your way back to LOS - for the sake of my reading pleasure, if nothing else.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the the kind words. I like the unfortunate turn of phrase; :the "indignity of monogamy" indeed it is for this gentleman for the next few months.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]All in all CM was fun. The surrounding countryside is stunning and the people are really very kind. But the mongering scene leaves much to be desired. I didn’t really see many of the light skinned Chinese-Thai princesses I had been fantasizing about. Some cute university girls on motorbikes and by the University district, but I didn’t really have the time to explore this option and play the courtship game. I didn’t see these girls out at the clubs on Saturday either. Besides you can find girls that look the same (or even better) in the posh shopping malls in BKK and even Pattaya. If I do go back to CM it will be to do one of the 2 day treks in the hills, not to look for poon. I may even bring a girl with me next time.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot. I did find this report very useful. I guess when I go to CM next year I will do 3 days. 2 for the trek you are talking about and 1 to dilly-dally around. And I may even bring company with me as you have suggested or try to find girls online before I go.

[QUOTE=Lexb]

Unfortunately, I quickly learned that the biggest "downside" of Chiang Mai is the local girls/women, especially from the "university crowd"(who, IMO, couldn"t have looked cuter dressed in their white blouse/navy skirt school uniforms!) are, generally, anti-falang and even speaking to a falang is a "societal stigma"!(the perception is we are the "sum total" of how we conduct ourselves in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Pattaya, etc.!)

[/QUOTE]
How do you figure they are anti-farang?

Are you dressed like a typical tourist? Do you speak proper Thai? How did you approach the girls? Are you old, ugly, dirty?

Basically, sexy young CM university girls don't need farang. The thai guys have enough money now days to keep most of them happy. Best approach to get these girls is if you are young, handsome, and have really good game. Also if you got some cash and are smooth then you can probably get some nookie. Or get a really good pimp that can hook you up. This won't be cheap, though.

[Quote=Amjeck]How do you figure they are anti-farang?[/QUOTE]Anti in the sense that the Chiang Mai girls of the "university crowd", "uc", if you will, don't, necessarily, hate older farang but look at them(definitely the older, and, to a much lesser extent, also, younger "age appropriate" boys/men) with extreme suspicion and/or disdain!

They(the uc girls) can't seem to "have it all" as the older farang have the money but are "repulsive" in many other ways(don't have to be repeated, ad infinitum!)) and the age appropriate blokes are "broke, back-packers" that transit through Chiang Mai dressed like Goodwill/Salvation Army "rejects"!

Also, the mindset of many of the uc girls, thanks to so many of our number that "saturate" Bangkok(Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Patpong I, Patpong II, etc.) and Pattaya, is that we are looking for cheap, convenient sex, no more, no less!

Unfortunately, in Chiang Mai, with the uc girls, older falang can't have it "both ways" and be perceived to be good "candidates" for LT relationships(or, if it even got that far, which is highly unlikely!) while we are actively "preying" upon the "ignorant and poor Thai girls/women" from Isaan and other areas of Northeast Thailand!

[Quote=Amjeck]Are you dressed like a typical tourist?[/QUOTE]I assume you mean that, as I am almost sixty, I wear Hawaian shirts, shorts, and "socks in sandals" and I carry a camera around my neck! LOL!

I do dress "business casual". Collered shirts, matching dress trousers/socks, "regular" shoes(not trainers) and I consider my personal hygene good and my hair well-groomed, also!

[Quote=Amjeck]Do you speak proper Thai?[/QUOTE]No, I don't but then I have only spent a short time in Thailand but this will, probably, change as I am moving to Chiang Mai for the express purpose of locating work teaching English(I am degree'ed, in Education, with a certificate and experience teaching English as a Second or Other Language)

[Quote=Amjeck]How did you approach the girls?[/QUOTE]Simply, I don't "bother"! *

[Quote=Amjeck]Are you old, ugly, dirty?[/QUOTE]I'm, IMO, older, not old! / I have been told I am decent looking. Still have the same hair I had fifty years ago but, now, rather "salt and pepper"! / See previous self-descriptive comment! / But, I am rather "large-framed" and overweight which further discourages me from even attempting to "chat up" a uc girl!

[Quote=Amjeck]Basically, sexy young CM university girls don't need farang. The thai guys have enough money now days to keep most of them happy.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more, especially in "upper class"(HiSo), of Chinese-heritage with old Chinese "family" wealth, Chiang Mai!

[Quote=Amjeck]Best approach to get these girls is if you are young, handsome, and have really good game. Also if you got some cash and are smooth then you can probably get some nookie.[/QUOTE]Since, in general, I am "none of the above" see(*)!

[Quote=Amjeck]Or get a really good pimp that can hook you up. This won't be cheap, though.[/QUOTE]Won't "go this route" for two reasons:

-First and honestly, I am not really "into" Thai girls. LBFMs are not my "preference" and I suspect many who read and/or report in this thread feel the same way!

Let's say, hypothetically, Sweden, everything being equal; prices, convenience, sex techniques of the girls/women and, to an extent, a warm climate, etc., was a sex tourist destination country bordering Thailand(but, however, was populated by Swedish girls/women, LWFMs, so to speak!).

Do you think caucasians from caucasian countries would, by in large, still "flock" to Thailand? I think not!

-Second, until I find work(if/when) I am relying on savings and am on a rather "shoestring" budget and have not "factored in" pimp costs to my monthly expenses. Too involved with that food and shelter "thing"!

Amjeck, thanks for the questions!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Thanks a lot. I did find this report very useful. I guess when I go to CM next year I will do 3 days. 2 for the trek you are talking about and 1 to dilly-dally around. And I may even bring company with me as you have suggested or try to find girls online before I go.[/QUOTE]

yes the inline dating thing may be a good option. I am just way to lazy to put in the work as finding girls is never too much trouble in LOS. But I may be down to try something a bit more serious with a THai girl. What sites do you guys recommend?

I just had a VERY bad experience at Number 1 on Loi Khro, which I had previously heard good things about here.

I arrived at 8:00 and had a few drinks with a very cute girl, who didn't speak much english but had a very friendly vibe. She said she finished at 12:00 so I said I would come back at 11:00 and take her with me. She agreed.

I came back at 11:00 and she was still there, very happy to see me and said again that she would go with me at midnight. At 12:00 they tell me that they are staying open late because it is a "special night". I had been waiting an hour already which was irritating since I would have barfined her earlier if I had known she wouldn't be finished at midnight. I asked how much the barfine was, and manager very clearly said 300 baht. Said it twice and I did not mishear. It seemed like a good deal but it was late so I figured it was a discount. I get the bill and the barfine is 600 baht, I call the manager over and she swears that she never said 300 and there are "no discounts". At this point I am getting a little pissed off but I am looking forward to taking the cutie home and I pay the barfine, at which point the cutie says she is going to change and she will be back in 10 minutes.

I decide to wait exactly 10 minutes and request a refund on the barfine if the girl is a no-show. 10 minutes later another of the girls tells me that the cutie is waiting for me and wants me to follow her into a dark alley. I watch where she is going and go about half way I tell her no way, tell the cutie to come meet my back at the bar where my moto is. So the girl shows up pretending to be falling asleep all the sudden (10 minutes earlier she was full of energy!), so I tell her it's up to her if she wants to stay.

After some hesitation she comes with me, but when we get to my hotel she says she is going to sleep on the couch! What the fuck is that? I gave her 100 baht for a tuk tuk and told her to take a hike.

In summary, girl very enthusiastic, says she will go with me; actual barfine is twice as much as quoted; another girl tries to lead me into a dark alley where god knows who is waiting for me; girl goes home with me but refuses to leave the couch; I give her the boot.

BEWARE NUMBER 1 BAR! YMMV but I am out 1000 baht with nothing to show for it but my dick in my hand. Very unhappy monger!

[QUOTE=Soggy Wanderer]I just had a VERY bad experience at Number 1 on Loi Khro, which I had previously heard good things about here....

BEWARE NUMBER 1 BAR! YMMV but I am out 1000 baht with nothing to show for it but my dick in my hand. Very unhappy monger![/QUOTE]

Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles man. I am glad I didn't go to this place last week when I was in CM.

Thanks for going to the trouble to warn us.

Where exactly is it? Is it one of those places at the beginning of LK by the city wall? I did not get a good vibe form these places and avoided them.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles man. I am glad I didn't go to this place last week when I was in CM.

Thanks for going to the trouble to warn us.

Where exactly is it? Is it one of those places at the beginning of LK by the city wall? I did not get a good vibe form these places and avoided them.[/QUOTE]It's actually a bit off LK on soi 1. It's too bad because it is actually a decent place to drink, not to pricy and the girls are not allowed to push lady drinks on you. After cooling off a bit I'm willing to give the bar the benefit of the doubt, that maybe the manager just misquoted the barfine price because of her limited english. Regardless, if you run into a cute little 20 year old northern girl named "Nan", she's a hustler so watch out. She works at Number 1 and frequents Spicy with her twin sister Nuun, who I gather is also not to be trusted. It's a damn shame too, I think thai twins would have been an experience of a lifetime!

[QUOTE=Soggy Wanderer]I just had a VERY bad experience at Number 1 on Loi Khro, which I had previously heard good things about here........

Very unhappy monger![/QUOTE]

That is FUBAR, have you thought about going back and complaining to the mama or if possible the owner? Might be worth a shot. It's possible that the owner might not know what is going on. Remember to be polite and smile, shouting will get you nowhere. I would also go as early as possible, while there is still some daylight and perhaps less alcohol in the ladies at the bar.

Thanks for the report!

[QUOTE=Booey]That is FUBAR, have you thought about going back and complaining to the mama or if possible the owner? Might be worth a shot. It's possible that the owner might not know what is going on. Remember to be polite and smile, shouting will get you nowhere. I would also go as early as possible, while there is still some daylight and perhaps less alcohol in the ladies at the bar.

Thanks for the report![/QUOTE]I'm considering it but I hesitate for two reasons: firstly, Number 1 seems to be one of these Chaing Mai beer bars with an identity crisis--it employs bar girls and charges bar fines but there are few mongers and it seems they would rather ignore what happens after the barfine is paid; and secondly, if the girl was disciplined, or worse, lost her livelihood, unscrupulous though it may be, this is a small town and I don't want to have a run-in with her boyfriend/brother/whoever has decided that I am responsible. Violence related to disputes over WGs here is unfortunately common--the day I arrived I watched a group of girls beat another senseless over some minor disagreement, and a few days ago a girl was stabbed to death outside Spicy in a similar situation. Better to just chalk the loss up to education and, as the Thais say, "mai pen rai"--never mind.

[QUOTE=Booey]That is FUBAR, ....

Thanks for the report![/QUOTE]


In this case it certainly lives up to its name...

[QUOTE=Soggy Wanderer]I'm considering it but I hesitate for two reasons: firstly, Number 1 seems to be one of these Chaing Mai beer bars with an identity crisis-it employs bar girls and charges bar fines but there are few mongers and it seems they would rather ignore what happens after the barfine is paid; and secondly, if the girl was disciplined, or worse, lost her livelihood, unscrupulous though it may be, this is a small town and I don't want to have a run-in with her boyfriend / brother / whoever has decided that I am responsible. Violence related to disputes over WGs here is unfortunately common-the day I arrived I watched a group of girls beat another senseless over some minor disagreement, and a few days ago a girl was stabbed to death outside Spicy in a similar situation. Better to just chalk the loss up to education and, as the Thais say, "mai pen rai"-never mind.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother. I used to drink there pretty regular. Once they get to know you they do get pushy for drinks. You are right on the mark about the identity crisis. I also had a run in with some guy who was a friend of the owner, so I never went back.

I think somebody mistook apples for oranges. Or cm for Bangkok.

There is no waiting for the end of the shift to save up on bar fines in BKK for example. If the girl is found out she will have to pay dearly.

While there is a bar fine, no 1 bar does not push for johns taking girls out, they actually pay the girls sufficiently but they have to work hard all the time including cleaning the floor, toilet checks etc. Constantly. There is no lazing around there. Their toilets are clean.

The place is well run with great attention to detail and what happens to you after you paid the bf is between you and the girl since you are not buying her outright. Not many girls get barfined there and I had a friend who took girls from there afterhrs without the fine who did not even ask him for money, which again is more in keeping with cm which is not a mongering destination albeit a few service girls are on hand should the need come up.

In my opinion the girls working at no 1 are more keen on finding a boyfriend and the bar itself makes money from selling drinks which is something they pursue hard and the reason I do not go there more often because it feels pushy to me.

When picking up girls my advice however to myself and soggy is to really get the vibe and abort pursuit if the girl does not show clear interest.

And no, unfortunately I am not the owner.

By the way there are a few establishments that live from barfining like spotlight, foxy lady and star six which compare to BKK bars as far as their business practice is concerned and there is a real soapy too, sayuri with tons of girls and mostly asian punters.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54]When picking up girls my advice however to myself and soggy is to really get the vibe and abort pursuit if the girl does not show clear interest.
[/QUOTE]I agree, refer to my previous posts where I say that it is indeed a decent place to drink, and also that this particular girl had been trying to get me to take her home. So in this case I don't hold the bar responsible. The girl, however, pulled a fast one on me.

I admit I am new to Chiang Mai so I am willing to take my lumps. I'm certainly not slandering Number 1, but as this is a mongering forum I think people should know that while it may seem like a regular beer bar, if you are looking for a sure thing there are better places to go, as you said.

I'm looking forward to getting to know the town better, as I really enjoy living here for many more important reasons than the mongering scene.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Soggy Wanderer]..... but as this is a mongering forum I think people should know ......
Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are certainly right about that. You might even talk about your experience to whoever it was who actually took your barfine, or the manager at no 1 and ask them if this is customary.

And if you stay longer you will know why not many here 'take out' as they have steady girls. Also as a tip, there are quite a few talented massage girls almost all of whom are unattached and looking. A lot of them from out of town which means no family here in cm. It's nice to find a girl with a job and make sure she keeps it so you get some time to yourself and don't have to support her 100%.

I just arrive to Chiang Mai yesterday so would try to search for the interest night life place that I get from the net.

After a long walk at Night Bazaar, I would find the Foxy Lady that everybody talk about. I was meet with a University Girl that work as a part time at there, the look was sweet. The price was 1500batt for ST and 3000batt for ON, then have to pay another 500batt for barfine if you want to take the girl out even you choose ST or ON. The girl here was young and nice, lady drink is 110batt then as what I get from the net, ST is 1000batt and ON is 3000batt, crazy man that mean I have to pay 3500batt for a ON, so I was not choose anything on the first night at there.

After drink for a couple of hours, I deside to going back for sleep, then during the time I going back, I find a place at the third floor name STAR IX or STAR 6, the girl here was average in looking, then I can say that here you can find a nice show that you ever had at another place at CM. 150batt for the entry and get a bottle of drink, then when I sit down for a while, a girl will come and keep pushing me to touch what ever you can but she also not stupid, keep request for lady drink. The price was 80batt, it's quite cheap, but mostly she will ask you to put the change of 20batt at her panty or bra as a tips. So I just do it cause you can touch what ever you want when you hug her and just a drink for 100batt including tips, but she was keep request for it. The price at here same as Foxy Lady, 1500batt for ST, 3000batt for ON and 500batt for barfine, so I was tell the girl that your price was expensive for me, then she intro another girl and say that is 1500batt for ON, so after a while huging that girl I was pay 2000batt (1500batt for ON and 500batt for barfine).

So, we was going back to the hotel to do the missionary thing, take off every thing, shower, up side down, cow girl,. Etc. The girl GFE was very high at the begining, after a while (I haven't cum yet) the girl was get a call and say have to going back for a while, then I ask for her contact. After that I was keep waiting her with my brother that have cum yet at Hotel. I keep trying to call her but not answering at all. What the damn service are they. So no more for the girl at STAR 6, only going there for enjoy the show.

That all for my first FR at Chiang Mai, any senior here do mind to give me a junior some advice and tip where I can find FL or University Student.

[QUOTE=Tawau Guy]That all for my first FR at Chiang Mai, any senior here do mind to give me a junior some advice and tip where I can find FL or University Student.[/QUOTE]Some FL north of Taphae gate along the moat in the middle.

University girls are probably to be found around the nimmaheimin area or at the university of course!

[QUOTE=Tawau Guy]I just arrive to Chiang Mai yesterday so would try to search for the interest night life place that I get from the net.

That all for my first FR at Chiang Mai, any senior here do mind to give me a junior some advice and tip where I can find FL or University Student.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tawau Guy]I just arrive to Chiang Mai yesterday so would try to search for the interest night life place that I get from the net.

That all for my first FR at Chiang Mai, any senior here do mind to give me a junior some advice and tip where I can find FL or University Student.[/QUOTE]Better not waste your time with Uni girls in Chiang Mai! The few I had a chance to meet were conceited. Generally they do not want to be seen together with a white man. Even if they are curious and talking to you only that), the conversation is not very interesting. They know little about the world and their own country. I agree with Mr. Islandboy: there are many nice ladies working in the Trad. Massage Shops, who would like to have a farang boyfriend. At least they are not spoilt by middle class parents, know something about real life and in most cases their annoying families are far away. Many have learned to speak English as well as, or better than the Uni girls, by practising daily with the customers. More young girls in the TM shops come fresh from Myanmar now, because they work for less, but they know little English or none at all and are extremely shy. Maybe for my next trip to Chiang Mai I will learn a few words of Burmese. Give them a tip (40 Baht without "extras") because they really need it!

[QUOTE=Tawau Guy]I......................
So, we was going back to the hotel to do the missionary thing, take off every thing, shower, up side down, cow girl,. Etc. The girl GFE was very high at the begining, after a while (I haven't cum yet) the girl was get a call and say have to going back for a while, then I ask for her contact. After that I was keep waiting her with my brother that have cum yet at Hotel. I keep trying to call her but not answering at all. What the damn service are they. So no more for the girl at STAR 6, only going there for enjoy the show.

That all for my first FR at Chiang Mai, any senior here do mind to give me a junior some advice and tip where I can find FL or University Student.[/QUOTE]
and..paid in advance before the deed?

if like me a girl is a main part of your nightly entertainments in thailand, than a visit to chiang mai is going to be disappointing. i know, i have lived here for the last 24 years.

over the last few years, all of chiang mai`s brothels, daytime and nighttime have been closed down and levelled.

due to chiang mai`s ever dwindling numbers of tourists and bored ex-pats, most of the women workers in massage parlours average ages between late 30s to mid 50s plain and ugly, few lookers, have begun offering hand jobs to help supplement their income. sounds good but many insist of no touching, no nudity on their part, no kissing, no nothing. for a happy ending they try to push for 500 baht but i never offer more than 300 baht, that’s not including the massage. this after a while has become boring and one would get more satisfaction from just having a wank and cheaper too.

the 2 or 3 soapy massages left in chiang mai are total rip-offs. very clinical, no kissing allowed, lots of tissues and the sex inhibited. cannot be compared in anyway shape or form to the soapys in bangkok. they charge whatever they think the customer is dumb enough to pay and get it over with a.s.a.p, no thrills, no massage and lookers few and far between.

than there is the limited bar scene, now mostly all clumped together in and around one street, the loi kroh road. nothing much elsewhere.

the *****s there are uniformly ugly. not young, not old, average age perhaps around 30ish, but ugly. they have misshapen bodies and ugly faces; the lookers which are few and far between, make no impression at all, they are indifferent and inert. this seems to be a characteristic of this place.

at first impressions they seem fun to be around with, full of compliments, kindnesses, praises and agreeable noises; they are good fondlers at first; that is the bait to catch you, but they won’t keep you waiting long before the pressure begins to make you buy drinks and the subject of money is brought to your attention. if bar fined and in the bed you will discover that the majority of them have low libidos, low stamina, poor apparatus, mental reservations, and non-existent foreplay techniques. the mission of the women is to get the men plied up with as much booze as possible, as this is the main benefits of their business, big profits on drinks.

all nude, semi nude and sex shows are banned in chiang mai. even the old familiar hello, welcome has been banned. so if visiting a bar don`t expect to find anything more than you would see in a normal open bar or drinking establishment.

if you do pull in one of the girls from the limited venues or bar establishments in chiang mai it`s going to cost you dear with no satisfaction guarantees. gone are the days of the lady houses and the 400 baht quickies or the back street specials. these no longer exist in chiang mai, nowhere. now it`s either the bar ritual or nothing. bar ritual meaning, drinks, bar fine, maybe hotel room and short time.

i’m not gay but know a man who is. and if you’re into the gay scene don`t expect to find any bargain basements there either. a man massage in chiang mai can cost you a minimum of 400 baht per hour and they expect from 600 baht to 1000 plus baht tips. i have never seen male massagers in non-gay massage establishments, if so extremely rare.

during the night the streets around the centre of chiang mai city are infested with hideous freaky travesties. some can be quite aggressive and best avoided.

the police have cleared most of the freelance girls that used to inhabit the discos and the same goes for street girls. there are still some street girls to be had, if you know where to look, normally hiding in the shadows somewhere, but these are filthy, many have mental problems and diseases. there are lots of police in that area and some of the street girls are ****d, jail bait. so beware the police are just waiting to pounce on some naïve farang involving ****d sex workers even if the girl looks older and the guy unaware.

the gradual chiang mai clamp down perpetrated by the powers that be over the years now have the business firmly under their control. so if you enjoy women with your wine and song, you will be disappointed in chiang mai.

Appreciated your report and welcome to the ISG Thailand/Chiang Mai(or Chiangmai, as it is written locally) thread!

I live in Chiang Mai now and wish there was a way I could communicate with you for a possible meeting so that we could exchange ideas/information!

[QUOTE=Lexb]Appreciated your report and welcome to the ISG Thailand/Chiang Mai(or Chiangmai, as it is written locally) thread!

I live in Chiang Mai now and wish there was a way I could communicate with you for a possible meeting so that we could exchange ideas/information![/QUOTE]Thanks Lexb,

Yes it would be great to meet up for a drink and a chat.

The only options are:

- For you to pay the annual membership fee of 19.95(USD) and get ISG Private Messaging(PM) capability or

- Set up a meeting place/time here though the Chiang Mai thread.

Let me know!

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick]If like me a girl is a main part of your nightly entertainments in Thailand, than a visit to Chiang Mai is going to be disappointing. I know, I have lived here for the last 24 years.[/QUOTE]Dear disappointed Arthur Tick, the situation wasn't as bad for me, when I was in Chiangmai in February and March. Maybe because I am growing old. The "girls" available to me grow older too. The worst problem was air pollution. I also like the company of a young girl, once in a while (fortunately 18+), but there is still a small supply of them, coming from Isan and Burma. The poor local families, from Chiang Mai and the sourounding villages, do not have to sell their daughters to the farang or any other men, because nowadays most can earn enough money, somehow, to bring one of their children through High School and even University. Then the graduate will be the main breadwinner for the family, with a decent job. I am very glad for them. I do not believe, that the police is responsible for anything, in any way. You know about their "crackdown" system, which never changes anything at all. Just look at the horrible traffick in Chiang Mai.

It’s been a few years since I’ve been to Chiang Mai so I was eager to return and check out my old favorites. After dinner with my colleagues I snuck off and hit Foxy Lady first as it used to be the best go-go in town. It was a Sunday night about 10:30PM and it was super slow. It was just me and one other guy and 3 disinterested girls on stage and a few on the couches. There was no energy at all in the bar so I drank my beer and left. Mamasan said she remembered me which knowing them is maybe true. I think she said some of the girls were at a birthday party which might explain things. I remember a lot of fun nights there in 2007 with lots of girls and having fun before taking one out.

From there I went off to Spotlight which I actually hung out in more a few years ago with my buddies. It seemed pretty much the same with a bunch of ex-pat looking types hanging out and some OK looking girls but no stars. The girls were friendly enough and the atmosphere was fun, but I decided to move along after a couple of beers. I’m sure I could have had a good time there and found a girl worth bar fining.

I walked around the corner onto Loi Krao Rd and checked out the establishments at the top of the street. They were really dead, hardly a customer to be seen and not a lot of girls. I stopped by Linda Bar where I used to hang out and caught up with the manager/bartender/mamasan. Seems a group of guys were there earlier and barfined 6 of the 8 girls so it was pretty dead.

I walked up the street looking into the other bars and they were very slow too. I eventually made it to the Entertainment center and walked in. That area actually seemed bigger than I remembered it, but it’s probably the same as I didn’t hang out there much.

I did a walk through before settling on a bar way in the back near the Muay Thai ring and hooked up with a pretty girl named Aoh. We had a bunch of drinks, played some pool and hung out with her friends. The bar tab was really reasonable and we had a great time, so off to the hotel we went where we had a really great time alone. I got her name and number and hope to repeat when my business takes me back to Chiang Mai.

Overall, I agree with the others’ assessment that CM is not a great place to play, especially compared to Bangkok or Pattaya, it’s not even close. But if you’re only there for a couple of days it’s OK and fun can still be had. After all, you only need to find that one (or 2 or 3) great girl to make it a great night. I’ll be bck in a few months for a few days of work and will try to find my new friend.

[quote=lexb]the only options are:

- for you to pay the annual membership fee of 19.95(usd) and get isg private messaging(pm) capability or

- set up a meeting place/time here though the chiang mai thread.

let me know![/quote]hi lexb,

i would like to join - have been here for some months now and have got some rep001tered insight about the local scene. we can set up a meeting here or you can send me a pm on wsg.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]I started my first night in town with a little recon. I was staying at the Raming lodge so it was relatively easy to scout the beer bars on Loh Kroh road.[/quote]Hi Uncle V

Was the Raming Lodge girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Paulcorr]
Was the Raming Lodge girl friendly?[/QUOTE]

Raming Lodge is very girl friendly. It's my favorite place to stay when in CM when the company isn't footing the bill.

It has a great location right next to the bars at the top of Loi Kroh Rd, it's a 5 minute walk from Spotlight, and a 5 minute walk from the entertainment complex on the other end of the road.

I like the sort of rustic rooms and it seems clean with great big beds. The breakfast isn't great, but they do have one.

It's not a luxury place like the Shangri La, but it's my #1 choice when I'm paying my own way.

Thanks Pablo. Sounds good. The other hotel I am considering is The Centara Duangtawan - anyone have any thoughts on it?

[QUOTE=Paulcorr]Thanks Pablo. Sounds good. The other hotel I am considering is The Centara Duangtawan - anyone have any thoughts on it?[/QUOTE]


Stayed there a month ago for one week. Nice rooms, nice bathrooms, everything ok.
They have a good price on the centara website which I booked from. Offer for only room without breakfast. I not get up very early and prefer to go out for some late breakfast/lunch instead. Girlfriendly of course.

Cheers Ken. The gym and free airport pick-up is pushing me towards the Duangtawan. Good to know it's GF.

[QUOTE=Paulcorr]Cheers Ken. The gym and free airport pick-up is pushing me towards the Duangtawan. Good to know it's GF.[/QUOTE]



The airport pick up is not so important I think. Only 100 thb to take a taxi anyway, but if you book a de luxe room for about 1400 thb you get a stunning view of the city. Very nice.
I was very happy with the hotel in general. And I think I will stay there the next time I will visit in October.

Took the plane up North for the weekend - lots of temples and shopping in the day then wandering round for girls at night.

Certainly it is there if you want it - don't think it is the desert that some have made it out to be.

The 3 key areas were the beer bars then the walk up Loi Kroh and then Spotlight.

The beer bars with the boxing ring were pleasant with a reasonable range of girls - reminded me of the quieter bars in Phuket with no real pressure for drinks from the girls.

Wandered up Loi Kroh and went into a few bars - again very laid back and there were couples even families but talking to the girls the 500THB barfine existed for most of them with a standard 1500THB for ST.

Carried on to Spotlight (the only go go dont know if more exist) First night hooked with a real crazy girl who I called from the dance area because she kept flashing her fanny. After a passionate cuddle and touching session on the couch I paid bar fine. She wouldn't go to my hotel said it was too far and we could go to hers.

Really odd to go to a girl's actual flat (no idea where it was it was raining and couldnt see out of the tuk tuk) she cleared the bed we did what we did - she loved being fingered but didnt want DATY. After she phoned someone and then another girl appeared who wasnt from the bar. Neither of them had much English - I tried to get the story - my first girl indicated that the new girl was available but new girl didnt seem keen. All very bizarre but I enjoyed the random nature of it all.

Then suddenly we were off to the club again - had a few drinks all 3 of us and then I decided I was too drunk to enjoy much else.

Second night followed the same pattern except the boxing ring was sealed off and was pay only which reduced the bars available. I chatted to a lovely girl for a few drinks thought of bar fine but it was early and I liked the idea of finding my crazy girl again.

But when I got to Spotlight she wasnt there - the girl who sat with me was ok and agreed to come back to my hotel all the way over on Nimmanhaemin.

Rather dull session followed where she complained that my cock was too big and I paid her off as soon as I finished.

But did think the massage places on Loi Kroh would be "happy ending" places -tried one out in the day - sadly wrong - did a very frustrating hour oil massage with no mention of helping me with the occasional stiffy.

So conclusion - Chiang Mai is a fascinating city with lots of culture and enough girly entertainment for a couple of nights.

Help me kind mongers. I've read up on three pages worth and have a couple of questions.

I'll be going to CM soon for a full week and would love to hook up a couple times to de-stress from the daytime business stuff. Last time I went in completely "blind" not having read the scene from ISG. Stayed at a hotel in what I think is the downtown area right by a McDonalds. I landed in a MP and the lady was friendly. I didn't mince any words and let her know I was looking for FS which she was fine with - all hush hush since all that separated us from the other girls were bedsheets hung to make a "cubicle" and a straw mat on the floor. She wanted a 1000 but took 700. I'll be happy to report afterwards (I always do, and pics if I can) but could you enlighten me on:

- I really don't drink. Is it okay if I opt for Cokes or will it be interpreted as me trying to game the system?

- For that matter I'm not a barfly either. If I have a five minute chat with a prospect that works can I skip to the chase and ask to do the barfine thing?

- How exactly does paying the barfine work, what is the protocol?

- Going rate for an hour or two? 1000? Add 500 for an all nighter?

- I like my girls legal but definitely young. Should I be terrified of getting setup by local cops only too happy to drag another horny farang in front of the TV cameras? Beyond gut feeling, what, id the chick?

Any other tips not recently gone over? Is there a halfway reliable escort scene? I've got plenty of cash but am not a spoiler, still, if I saw a real hottie non-pro could I throw around 4-5k in baht to close the deal?

I've tan skin so I think I'd fit in better than a pasty white dude but my knowledge of Thai stops at Kapun-ka and Sa-wat-dee.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]- I really don't drink. Is it okay if I opt for Cokes or will it be interpreted as me trying to game the system?[/QUOTE]

"The system" is to get you to pay for drinks, and all the drinks in the bar cost about the same. Even water. I sometimes drink nice hot coffee in a gogo. Nobody minds in the least.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]- For that matter I'm not a barfly either. If I have a five minute chat with a prospect that works can I skip to the chase and ask to do the barfine thing?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, as long as you're in a bar with working girls of course.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]- How exactly does paying the barfine work, what is the protocol?[/QUOTE]

You ask "pay bar?" (Hopefully it's obvious who you want to pay for.)
They say "300" (I think that's the price in the Loi Kroh bars).
You hand over 300.
The girl goes to grab her handbag, and leaves with you.
There's a short-time place about a minute from those bars, it cost 100 or 150 for a room.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]- Going rate for an hour or two? 1000? Add 500 for an all nighter?[/QUOTE]

Sounds about OK but others may be more up to date.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]Should I be terrified of getting setup by local cops only too happy to drag another horny farang in front of the TV cameras? [/QUOTE]

There have been some reports from there recently, but then it's not about bar girls. I think you should be OK if you stick to bar girls.

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]Any other tips not recently gone over? Is there a halfway reliable escort scene?[/QUOTE]

In Thailand there's no such thing as escorts. OK, sure, there are escorts, at least in Bangkok, but they're only meant for people who come from places where escorts make sense and who have too much money. In my opinion, of course!

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]I've got plenty of cash but am not a spoiler, still, if I saw a real hottie non-pro could I throw around 4-5k in baht to close the deal?[/QUOTE]

Give it to her as a present when you leave, after a week ;-)

[QUOTE=WhiskerBisket]I've tan skin so I think I'd fit in better than a pasty white dude but my knowledge of Thai stops at Kapun-ka and Sa-wat-dee.[/QUOTE]

People from Chiang Mai are quite white. And the whiter you are, the better. You don't want to be mistaken for a Thai guy ;-)

Thank you rocksoff, I think this is good info. I'll be back to report!

:-)

[quote=whiskerbisket]help me kind mongers. i've read up on three pages worth and have a couple of questions.[/quote]here is my update on your questions:

help me kind mongers. i've read up on three pages worth and have a couple of questions.

i'll be going to cm soon for a full week and would love to hook up a couple times to de-stress from the daytime business stuff. last time i went in completely "blind" not having read the scene from isg. stayed at a hotel in what i think is the downtown area right by a mcdonalds. i landed in a mp and the lady was friendly. i didn't mince any words and let her know i was looking for fs which she was fine with. all hush hush since all that separated us from the other girls were bedsheets hung to make a "cubicle" and a straw mat on the floor. she wanted a 1000 but took 700. i'll be happy to report afterwards (i always do, and pics if i can) but could you enlighten me on:

- i really don't drink. is it okay if i opt for cokes or will it be interpreted as me trying to game the system?

answer:

no problem. you will be charged the same prices for alcoholic drinks whatever drinks you order. not of course forgetting the lady drinks usually watered down coke, also same price as alcoholic drinks.

- for that matter i'm not a barfly either. if i have a five minute chat with a prospect that works can i skip to the chase and ask to do the barfine thing?

answer:

the loi kroh road bar owners would like customers to spend a good few hundred baht on drinks and lady drinks before doing the deed. if attempting to shortcut the bar ritual, the girl may say she this is a busy time and to come back later. best time for this would be near to bar closing time when the girls that are still left in the bar are seeking a few more bahts before breakfast time.

- how exactly does paying the barfine work, what is the protocol?

answer:

the going rates can depend on how gullible the customer is. usually from 1000 baht to 2000 baht short time, 1500 baht for a few hours if she likes you or is desperate for cash or 3000 baht if the girls thinks you're pay that much.

- i like my girls legal but definitely young. should i be terrified of getting setup by local cops only too happy to drag another horny farang in front of the tv cameras? beyond gut feeling, what, i'd the chick?

answer:

no problems with getting involved with **** girls in that loi kroh road bar area or even barely legal. most are in their late late 20s, 30s and even up to late 40s. most of the few and far between lookers in the bars are put there purely for show to attract in the punters. these rarely go out unless willing to offer a huge stack of cash or the girl really likes you.

any other tips not recently gone over? is there a halfway reliable escort scene? i've got plenty of cash but am not a spoiler, still, if i saw a real hottie non-pro could i throw around 4-5k in baht to close the deal?

answer:

there are some so-called escort agencies covering chiang mai, all of them on line. they charge approx from 5000 per hour just for their time and company. extras have to be agreed with the girl. most of these girls are mostly bar girls, who have caught on that promoting themselves as an escort brings in more cash than using the title, bargirl. when viewing the escort websites, you may notice that the photos have been photoshopped. maybe a disappointment when actually meeting them in the flesh so to speak.

i've tan skin so i think i'd fit in better than a pasty white dude but my knowledge of thai stops at kapun-ka and sa-what-dee.

answer:

no problememo. if you have the cash they don't care if you are green, blue, red, brown, white or a martian purple people-eating monster. only drawback maybe is that the bargirls intend to believe that us decent white folk are all stinking rich and maybe approach the farang and fuss over them first. just flash the old readies, than you won't be on your own for long.

Just got back from a 5 day trip in CM and I am pleased to report that the p2p scene is very much alive and kicking. It is pretty much all around from the hundreds of MP's all over the city to specific places of interest like Sayuri which provides an excellent soapy massage with full service.

Regular pricing for a standard massage girl is around THB 1000 especially if you call her to your room. Most of them are willing to come to your room on the pretext of a 'full massage' and then its all fair play as long as the tip is good enough. I find this as the best source of action as for one these girls are not regular WG's and secondly you can easily pick and choose them from the MP's by just starting off with a foot massage.

Have fun guys.

I live in Chiang Mai(Thai spelling Chiangmai) but will be leaving, probably permanently to move to another country the first week in November!

In my time here, by extensively using the "shoe leather express", in about 90%+ of my travels and being, somewhat, observant I have located four brothels and four bars(none of the aforementioned located in the much too oft reported and very overused Loh Kroi Road area) where p4p is available at various price and quality levels(much of it being young, high quality "stuff", BTW!).

None of my "new frontier" locations involve the MPs, soapies or "titty" bars that are, pretty much, "part and parcel" of past ISG Chiang Mai reports and,

In addition, none of my "little treasure" of discoveries, as far as I have read, have ever been written about!

If anyone is interested and will be in Chiang Mai during the month of October, I would be more than happy to share my knowledge with them, gratis.

The best way to do this to do this would be to me to act as a "wingman" and accompany them, probably by tuk tuk, to show them what, appearently, has "fallen through cracks" in past efforts to monger in Chiang Mai!

Let me know by PM!

[QUOTE=Lexb]I live in Chiang Mai(Thai spelling Chiangmai) but will be leaving, probably permanently to move to another country the first week in November!

In my time here, by extensively using the "shoe leather express", in about 90%+ of my travels and being, somewhat, observant I have located four brothels and four bars(none of the aforementioned located in the much too oft reported and very overused Loh Kroi Road area) where p4p is available at various price and quality levels(much of it being young, high quality "stuff", BTW!).

None of my "new frontier" locations involve the MPs, soapies or "titty" bars that are, pretty much, "part and parcel" of past ISG Chiang Mai reports and,

In addition, none of my "little treasure" of discoveries, as far as I have read, have ever been written about!

If anyone is interested and will be in Chiang Mai during the month of October, I would be more than happy to share my knowledge with them, gratis.

The best way to do this to do this would be to me to act as a "wingman" and accompany them, probably by tuk tuk, to show them what, appearently, has "fallen through cracks" in past efforts to monger in Chiang Mai!

Let me know by PM![/QUOTE]After many years and covering every inch of Chiang Mai, I now declare Chiang Mai as a sex mongers destination, dead.

The Chiang Mai sex scene or lack of it, is now so limited that it`s hardly worth the time, expense and effort visiting here. This is the same for Chiang Rai and the whole of Northern Thailand.

Things to do at night in Chiang Mai. Take a taxi to Chiang Mai airport and fly to Bangkok.

It seems the people who are concerned most are those that have invested into the night entertainment businesses in Chiang Mai, such as bar, massage parlour and restaurant owners. Restaurants are going down like flies, 2 big named restaurants gone only last week.

I have noticed that a couple of posters have quoted what great times they have had in Chiang Mai due to the abundance of girls and of the existence of these mystery brothels full to the brim with young beautiful girls. But no one it seems has named the places, their locations and prices.

So please, let us into the secret without all the cloak and dagger mystery stuff. Otherwise ISG members may begin to think you are Chiang Mai business owners concerned about losing some more tourist trade.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick]

So please, let us into the secret without all the cloak and dagger mystery stuff. Otherwise ISG members may begin to think you are Chiang Mai business owners concerned about losing some more tourist trade.

[/QUOTE]

Pay the $20.00 and get all the inside info. Posters here are wary of giving out info to just any one. You could be a cop especially with just 4 posts. You have no track record.

Slim

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick]After many years and covering every inch of Chiang Mai, I now declare Chiang Mai as a sex mongers destination, dead.[/QUOTE]I think I came to that conclusion about 20 years ago. Even Chiangrai is better.

[quote=arthur tick]i have noticed that a couple of posters have quoted what great times they have had in chiang mai due to the abundance of girls and of the existence of these mystery brothels full to the brim with young beautiful girls. but no one it seems has named the places, their locations and prices.

so please, let us into the secret without all the cloak and dagger mystery stuff. otherwise isg members may begin to think you are chiang mai business owners concerned about losing some more tourist trade.[/quote]to begin with, i have no interest (economic or otherwise), of promoting "sextourism" in chiang mai (or chiangmai as the thais spell it) and, posted what i did only with the hopes i could interest someone to "hook up" with me to "complete the circle"!

mongering in chiang mai or, for that matter, thailand, in general, is more of an acedemic interest for me rather than something i am passionate about so, except for casual observations, those "other places" have only a value to me of what information i can pass on to others.

i really don't feel comfortable, at this point, giving, particulars(exact locations, prices, opinion on quality, etc.) because i don't know them except for the locations and what i could gather by "peeking in the door", so to speak!

to remedy this i think the best option is to have someone to act as a "tourguide" for who would actually, aggressively, enter said establishments, get down to the "nitty gritty" on pricing, opinion on looks, the p4p "system", etc and act as a "second set of eyes/ears and "complete the circle" prior to a report(preferably, his!)

i've been contacted by one such person(via isg pm) who seems really interested and we have made semi-definite plans to meet later this month.

with his imput i will report something even if he chooses not to so, "stay tuned!

finally, let me state that is is really difficult to work though the isg threads without having the ability to access the pm function! many have tried to post personal information(email addresses, telephone #s, etc.) just to be censured by the administrator and, if the efforts continue, get "the boot"!

i've even tried to do an "end run" by setting up a time/place meeting just to have the post never print!

once again, i will respond to anyones pm with the "scetchy" information i have but an actual/potential chiang mai monger would be better served to wait for the aforementioned report!

i don't think it's a good idea to invade the typical thai places with an army of horny foreigners. if the 4 brothels and bars you're talking about are the ones i know, the result might be that they feel overwhelmed, the price per girl shoots up, and some girls simply refuse foreigners alledgedly fearing their long dick.

i've tried those places myself alone or with a friend, and that's the best way to get familiar with all the conditions.

i don't consider these places very high quality as most of the girls are operating in an equally clinical way as in the big places, their hygienic standard is much lower, sometimes they don't even know how to put on a condom, and all they want in the end is for you to finish as soon as possible while the timeslot is already usually half an hour, which is more than enough for most thai. if you don't mind all this, 300-400 baht for the girl + 120 baht for the love hotel is a cheap shot.

i know there's been a lot of talk about where all the girls are hiding after they cleaned up chiang mai years ago.

if you're aiming for some more interesting places, i won't mind joining the search.

[quote=lexb]to begin with, i have no interest (economic or otherwise), of promoting "sextourism" in chiang mai (or chiangmai as the thais spell it) and, posted what i did only with the hopes i could interest someone to "hook up" with me to "complete the circle"!

mongering in chiang mai or, for that matter, thailand, in general, is more of an acedemic interest for me rather than something i am passionate about so, except for casual observations, those "other places" have only a value to me of what information i can pass on to others.

i really don't feel comfortable, at this point, giving, particulars(exact locations, prices, opinion on quality, etc.) because i don't know them except for the locations and what i could gather by "peeking in the door", so to speak!

to remedy this i think the best option is to have someone to act as a "tourguide" for who would actually, aggressively, enter said establishments, get down to the "nitty gritty" on pricing, opinion on looks, the p4p "system", etc and act as a "second set of eyes/ears and "complete the circle" prior to a report(preferably, his!)

i've been contacted by one such person(via isg pm) who seems really interested and we have made semi-definite plans to meet later this month.

with his imput i will report something even if he chooses not to so, "stay tuned!

finally, let me state that is is really difficult to work though the isg threads without having the ability to access the pm function! many have tried to post personal information(email addresses, telephone #s, etc.) just to be censured by the administrator and, if the efforts continue, get "the boot"!

i've even tried to do an "end run" by setting up a time/place meeting just to have the post never print!

once again, i will respond to anyones pm with the "scetchy" information i have but an actual/potential chiang mai monger would be better served to wait for the aforementioned report![/quote]

[QUOTE=Tsunami]I don't think it's a good idea to invade the typical Thai places with an army of horny foreigners. If the 4 brothels and bars you're talking about are the ones I know, the result might be that they feel overwhelmed, the price per girl shoots up, and some girls simply refuse foreigners alledgedly fearing their long dick.

I've tried those places myself alone or with a friend, and that's the best way to get familiar with all the conditions.

I don't consider these places very high quality as most of the girls are operating in an equally clinical way as in the big places, their hygienic standard is much lower, sometimes they don't even know how to put on a condom, and all they want in the end is for you to finish as soon as possible while the timeslot is already usually half an hour, which is more than enough for most Thai. If you don't mind all this, 300-400 baht for the girl + 120 baht for the love hotel is a cheap shot.

I know there's been a lot of talk about where all the girls are hiding after they cleaned up Chiang Mai years ago.

If you're aiming for some more interesting places, I won't mind joining the search.[/QUOTE]Now I think I know the area this place is located, somewhere around the Nimmaheimin road. Have visited this brothel but cannot remember exactly where it is.

3 years ago an American friend took me there. It`s a 4 or 5 story converted block of flats. On the ground floor outside at the front of the building there is a small noodle shop where they sell Thai food and serve drinks. Mostly frequented by young Thai guys and is the pickup point for the girls.

Luckily my American friend speaks fluent Thai because no one in there can speak English. If you go alone or with other farangs who don’t speak Thai, you have no chance. On the night there were 2 girls available. One was very thin and looked ill. I always avoid them in fear of catching something although even the healthier ones could still have Aids. I choose the plumper girl, no looker by any means but youngish and passable. The mama san said she would go with me for300 baht. The girl did not appear to want to go with me but was ordered to by the mama san.

My American friend accompanied me to do the translating and we walked into a building block and were lead to a room on the second floor. At that moment an old man who appeared to be some sort of caretaker began shouting wanting us to leave, but another Thai told the old man to go away. This place was far from farang friendly and I felt extremely uncomfortable with that.

The girl took me into a room. It had a small bath tub, a bed and a chair. I was shocked as it was filthy and disgusting. On the floor were piles of dirty clothes with sachets of cheap condoms lying there amongst the piles of clothes. There was a litterbin filled to the brim with used condoms. I was trying hard not to vomit. Then the girl lay on the bed fully clothed. I undressed and lay next to her. Then another shock, the bed had a strong odour of stale cats [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I fought hard to ignore the stink but I was losing the battle. By this time I was really starting to feel nauseous.

The girl pulled down her undies but refused to undress and looked totally uninterested. No touching, no kissing she only wanted me to get it over with a.s.a.p. It was no use, I just couldn’t do it. In the end I settled for a hand job but couldn`t finish, got dressed and was out of there. It was so bad that I decided never again visit that place and never took the interest to note it`s exact location.

This was truly one of the worst experiences I had in Thailand and would not recommend visiting these places.

IMO Chiang Mai is no longer eligible to be classified in any Thailand sex tourist guide. It is a nice place to visit if you enjoy peace and quite, temples, mountains and a few elephants. Should be solely restricted to travel guides such as Tripdvisor or Lonely Planet.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick]IMO Chiang Mai is no longer eligible to be classified in any Thailand sex tourist guide. It is a nice place to visit if you enjoy peace and quite, temples, mountains and a few elephants. Should be solely restricted to travel guides such as Tripdvisor or Lonely Planet.[/QUOTE]Get a girlfriend. It's not that difficult. Not a real "MONGERING" town. If short time see Sayuri, Pandora, Foxy Lady or go to bars on Loi Kroi Road. I think the women are prettier here, maybe because of the mix with the Chinese and different facial feature (ie high check bone). Some people like lighter skin but this is not important to me as it is with some. I think Thais worry about skin color more than falang.

If you do get a girlfriend be careful where you play. This is a small town and you really have to be careful. My girlfriend goes to a beauty shop who services many women from Sayuri, etc. Not good for me.

Every Thai town has some type of brothels. One thing in common is all these girls are over stretching their limits. When I was younger, I liked these off the track adventures for mostly my curiosity. Many better looking ones can do over 20 guys a day. Once a pretty karaoke brothel girl in Kanchanaburi told me her record was 30 guys on a Sunday. She also proudly kept a record of her earning, in case the boss tries to cheat her.

Another disgusting common scene is piles of juicy condoms in the trash cans.
People who have been to Nimmaheimin brothels, or lady houses in all over Issan and upcountry Thailand or all over SEA, are familiar with this spectacle. Also many places do not change towels, a few same towels will be used by hundreds of guys. I have seen girls who are too busy and do not even wash in between customers.

In Thailand, these so called hidden places are not really hidden, in every bigger town, any samlor driver will take you to these local joints for a commission. You may be welcomed or may not. These joints cater to Thai working class, rich Thais do not come here.

If you are young and so horny, and can shoot dead fish in any circumstances, then you can accomplish the mission. Or your budget is only 10USD, then go for it.

Foxy'S

In Chaingmai for business first time here but long time visitor to Thailand

Went late, since it right next to my hotel, read the stuff on the forums etc and was somewhat prepared.

Standard go go type place quiet small and some fairly decent looking girls allowing for the low lighting, if you want a better look wait till they go outside to smoke.

Beer was customer 100/110-girl drink 130.

No entry fee.

Les then 5 minutes after first drink Mama San tries to get me to choose, have not seen all of the girls some are wearing jackets they say it cold inside, so tell Mama need more time. Not 10 minutes later she is back, this time I tell her for sure I will pick when ready, she leaves me alone this time.

Had a couple of fairly decent non go go girls approach, these girls are normally dressed and not dancing, these "no dancing" girls have always worried me, so told them no thanks. They were a little persistent but nothing I can't handle.

Finally one of the cute younger ones I had been eying choose me, that was fine bought her several drinks, when we got down to bar fines, she quoted 500 for the bar 2000 ST. Told here too much so she settled for 500 Bar 1500 ST, which is still in my opinion too much, but what the hell, seemed from the forums about right for a go-go.

This was where it got "different" she wanted the money all 2000 up front. I told her no pay bar fine and give her the 1500 after service in the room, next thing I know she disappears. The bar is closing so I go home horny and alone.

I will go back nice girls to look at and maybe some who will go with but will find out. Like I said right next to the hotel so cool to chill for a few drinks as long as Mama Knows the score!

I have business partners here who have some local knowledge arriving tomorrow, if anything else worked out I will report.

Here till 8th if anyone around?

I went to Sayuri today around 2 pm alone for checking up the scene there. However I ended up going in for a nice girl. I was very satisfied both with service and convenience of that MP.

It is walking distance from everywhere and very very easy to reach. Do not be silly to go there by tuktuk, you will cause the price to rise as stated in their website too. Just walk, easy.

First you find the Navarat bridge and continue untill the big bird sign on the right. Then turn left and continue 5 minutes more that's it! (I made it to there in 12 minutes by walking from Night Market)

There were no mamasan or papasan to push nobody. However there is a teacher like uncle with glasses assisting to collect the money and writing the numbers of the girls on board. It is funny and cool. I like it this way. Very professional.

I chose the girl in half an hour and went directly to the table and paid him 1000b and he gave the receipt to the girl and we went down the stairs. ( If you don't choose nothing happens you can look at girls for hours nobody bothers with that.)

The price is right, please do not pay more. I am foreigner and nobody objected anything regarding to payment unlike the other MP's around here. (I have seen the Thai people paying 1000 too)

I was the only farang that time, on the other hand the place was almost full of Thai people. There was no place to sit so I chose standing there.

Like some friends mentioned here before, some girls have the numbers beginning with M some with B some with nothing I chose the number with nothing. She was a fair skin big boobs a bit fleshy around 25 years old (No:66) Having said the girls that most of you like doesn't suit to my taste. I like fair and taller girls.

She was awsome, very eager very giggly and very happy' however a bit too wet. I don't know whether I should be happy with that but she was really dripping wet which made the performance too glidy. However I liked her overall and finished the job after an hour and half later.

Sayuri is pretty clean (minus some small bugs I noticed) Overall I recommend it and I will go again. Much better and cleaner than hunting in Spicy or Hotshot. (By the way last night Spicy was very stinky inside and the girls were ugly ) I found the Hotshot under the Pornping better. Bubble is closed.

[QUOTE=Atilla]I went to Sayuri today around 2 pm alone for checking up the scene there. However I ended up going in for a nice girl. I was very satisfied both with service and convenience of that MP.

It is walking distance from everywhere and very very easy to reach. Do not be silly to go there by tuktuk, you will cause the price to rise as stated in their website too. Just walk, easy.

First you find the Navarat bridge and continue untill the big bird sign on the right. Then turn left and continue 5 minutes more that's it! (I made it to there in 12 minutes by walking from Night Market)

There were no mamasan or papasan to push nobody. However there is a teacher like uncle with glasses assisting to collect the money and writing the numbers of the girls on board. It is funny and cool. I like it this way. Very professional.

I chose the girl in half an hour and went directly to the table and paid him 1000b and he gave the receipt to the girl and we went down the stairs. ( If you don't choose nothing happens you can look at girls for hours nobody bothers with that.)

The price is right, please do not pay more. I am foreigner and nobody objected anything regarding to payment unlike the other MP's around here. (I have seen the Thai people paying 1000 too)

I was the only farang that time, on the other hand the place was almost full of Thai people. There was no place to sit so I chose standing there.

Like some friends mentioned here before, some girls have the numbers beginning with M some with B some with nothing I chose the number with nothing. She was a fair skin big boobs a bit fleshy around 25 years old (No:66) Having said the girls that most of you like doesn't suit to my taste. I like fair and taller girls.

She was awsome, very eager very giggly and very happy' however a bit too wet. I don't know whether I should be happy with that but she was really dripping wet which made the performance too glidy. However I liked her overall and finished the job after an hour and half later.

Sayuri is pretty clean (minus some small bugs I noticed) Overall I recommend it and I will go again. Much better and cleaner than hunting in Spicy or Hotshot. (By the way last night Spicy was very stinky inside and the girls were ugly ) I found the Hotshot under the Pornping better. Bubble is closed.[/QUOTE]Was this Full Service? Haven't been to Sayuri for almost 2 years since I picked up Chiang Mai GF. What about BBBJ?

[QUOTE=Atilla]I went to Sayuri today around 2 pm alone for checking up the scene there. However I ended up going in for a nice girl. I was very satisfied both with service and convenience of that MP.

It is walking distance from everywhere and very very easy to reach. Do not be silly to go there by tuktuk, you will cause the price to rise as stated in their website too. Just walk, easy.

First you find the Navarat bridge and continue untill the big bird sign on the right. Then turn left and continue 5 minutes more that's it! (I made it to there in 12 minutes by walking from Night Market)

There were no mamasan or papasan to push nobody. However there is a teacher like uncle with glasses assisting to collect the money and writing the numbers of the girls on board. It is funny and cool. I like it this way. Very professional.

I chose the girl in half an hour and went directly to the table and paid him 1000b and he gave the receipt to the girl and we went down the stairs. ( If you don't choose nothing happens you can look at girls for hours nobody bothers with that.)

The price is right, please do not pay more. I am foreigner and nobody objected anything regarding to payment unlike the other MP's around here. (I have seen the Thai people paying 1000 too)

I was the only farang that time, on the other hand the place was almost full of Thai people. There was no place to sit so I chose standing there.

Like some friends mentioned here before, some girls have the numbers beginning with M some with B some with nothing I chose the number with nothing. She was a fair skin big boobs a bit fleshy around 25 years old (No:66) Having said the girls that most of you like doesn't suit to my taste. I like fair and taller girls.

She was awsome, very eager very giggly and very happy' however a bit too wet. I don't know whether I should be happy with that but she was really dripping wet which made the performance too glidy. However I liked her overall and finished the job after an hour and half later.

Sayuri is pretty clean (minus some small bugs I noticed) Overall I recommend it and I will go again. Much better and cleaner than hunting in Spicy or Hotshot. (By the way last night Spicy was very stinky inside and the girls were ugly ) I found the Hotshot under the Pornping better. Bubble is closed.[/QUOTE]Was this Full Service? Haven't been to Sayuri for almost 2 years since I picked up Chiang Mai GF. What about BBBJ?

[QUOTE=Barney Rubber]Was this Full Service? Haven't been to Sayuri for almost 2 years since I picked up Chiang Mai GF. What about BBBJ?[/QUOTE]Well, kind of. We had quite a long foam massage and washing in tub.She commented that farang prefer dark skinned girls, not the fair ones like her. However I like girls that are fair, tall and a bit fleshy not too skinny. I was pretty satisfied with the eagerness and good attitude of the girl. BJ with condom as I asked her to do so. She might have done BBBJ too maybe.

Does anyone know if Loi Kroh and all the bars shut down for the next 3 days? How about Spicy?

Where do the mongers go? Should we be taking those hats off and just enjoy "the culture"?

[QUOTE=Asian John]Does anyone know if Loi Kroh and all the bars shut down for the next 3 days? How about Spicy?

Where do the mongers go? Should we be taking those hats off and just enjoy "the culture"?[/QUOTE]The opposite I guess. They will open longer. The clientele will be rowdier the party will be loud and bad as usual 3 to 5 days non stop-just be careful riding the motorbike drunk as there will be roadblocks with checks and a lot of really bad ass drunk drivers around.

Been to CM in the past weeks a few times. After reading quite some complaining here about the bar girls etc my expectations were very low. However, I had a good time every night. The quality of the bar girls is not high, admitted. But many of the massage girls also can "go out" (means to your room). So just check out the massage shops and find yourself a nice lady.

The same system (massage / take out) is in most of Northern Thailand. Was in Mae Hong Son, Chiang Rai, Phayao, Mae Sai ect and had decent girls everywhere.

[QUOTE=Fslag338; 1104013]Been to CM in the past weeks a few times. After reading quite some complaining here about the bar girls etc my expectations were very low. However, I had a good time every night. The quality of the bar girls is not high, admitted. But many of the massage girls also can "go out" (means to your room). So just check out the massage shops and find yourself a nice lady.

The same system (massage / take out) is in most of Northern Thailand. Was in Mae Hong Son, Chiang Rai, Phayao, Mae Sai ect and had decent girls everywhere. [/QUOTE]The pressing issue is however the lack of indecent girls.

I don't know when you are going but [url]www.kayak.com[/url] shows it for $249.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1105180]Has anyone seen a good rate on a flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh (one-way)? The best I could find is Bangkok Air for $276 USD. I was hoping to do better than that. Thanks and happy mongering! .[/QUOTE]Air asia cnx-BKK-pnh many specials. Best prices booked over the net ahead of time

Been to LOS 6 times but never to CM. In my next trip I want to spend a week or so relaxing there before heading down to Pattaya. Which is the best possible area to stay? Riverside, old town, night market?

Thanks

Hi I will be travelling to chiang mai in February can anyone PM me some places I could try? Thanks Rick

[QUOTE=Bugzy 69; 1106928]Been to LOS 6 times but never to CM. In my next trip I want to spend a week or so relaxing there before heading down to Pattaya. Which is the best possible area to stay? Riverside, old town, night market?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai is a relatively small town and distances are at another scale than Bangkok. For example a walk from the night market to the center of the old town will take about 20 minutes; 30 if you are on "tourist mood" meaning that you are looking around and you stop from time to time to take photos etc. The area around the night market is also close to a big number of bars and an "entertainment" area (have not tried). Chiang Mai is full of small boutique hotels (from luxury ones to 3 stars) that are ideal for a relaxing stay. From there you can also reach the cafes and restaurants in the riverside with another 10-20 minutes walk.

One week in Chiang Mai might be a rather long time if you stay only in the town. If you plan to go for some trips (elephant camps, hill tribe villages, national parks etc.) around then one week can be spent there.

Thanks for the feedback, I will definitely try to stay in the 'entertaining area'. I read that Chiangmai has more to offer in terms of countryside, parks & adventure but my favourite main attraction is still thai pussy so eventually I will be stayin close to the action although its limited from what I learned. I think 1 week suits me pefectly & during the day will take some cycling tour, rafting & trekking, at least I will be able to enjoy some rural Thailand as all my previous visits in the south were always 100% focused on bars, girls, fun, massages, all the whole lot.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr; 1107859]Chiang Mai is a relatively small town and distances are at another scale than Bangkok. For example a walk from the night market to the center of the old town will take about 20 minutes; 30 if you are on "tourist mood" meaning that you are looking around and you stop from time to time to take photos etc. The area around the night market is also close to a big number of bars and an "entertainment" area (have not tried). Chiang Mai is full of small boutique hotels (from luxury ones to 3 stars) that are ideal for a relaxing stay. From there you can also reach the cafes and restaurants in the riverside with another 10-20 minutes walk.

One week in Chiang Mai might be a rather long time if you stay only in the town. If you plan to go for some trips (elephant camps, hill tribe villages, national parks etc.) around then one week can be spent there. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lifeingr; 1107859]Chiang Mai is a relatively small town and distances are at another scale than Bangkok. For example a walk from the night market to the center of the old town will take about 20 minutes; 30 if you are on "tourist mood" meaning that you are looking around and you stop from time to time to take photos etc. The area around the night market is also close to a big number of bars and an "entertainment" area (have not tried). Chiang Mai is full of small boutique hotels (from luxury ones to 3 stars) that are ideal for a relaxing stay. From there you can also reach the cafes and restaurants in the riverside with another 10-20 minutes walk.

One week in Chiang Mai might be a rather long time if you stay only in the town. If you plan to go for some trips (elephant camps, hill tribe villages, national parks etc.) around then one week can be spent there. [/QUOTE]What you are saying really belongs on a tourist website such as Tripadvisor and Lonely Planet.

This is an International sex guide and my point is that Chiang Mai is no longer suited to be mentioned in the classified lists as a whorist`s destination the subject that I believe is the main interest of ISGs members.

As I said previously, anyone visiting Chiang Mai for the girls and adult nightlife entertainments is going to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1105180]Has anyone seen a good rate on a flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh (one-way)? The best I could find is Bangkok Air for $276 USD. I was hoping to do better than that. Thanks and happy mongering! .[/QUOTE]Buy two tickets at AirAsia and you will probably pay half price of what Bangkok Air is offering. Only advantage of Bangkok Air might be that your luggage will be checked through directly. In the end with all airlines you still have to fly CNX-BKK-PNH. And flighttimes with AirAsia for BKK-PNH are very convenient.

Had 7 days holiday. Tried to figure out how to kill the 7 days. Bored of CP, Zhuhai, Yangon, sick of BKK and AC. Searched around Air Asia fare, decided on Chiang Mai with ladies as supplementary fun in mind. Have not been here for at least 4 years. Bought AA ticket to KL to see a friend for a night, and then KL to CM. KL-CM ticket was still so cheap about 400 ringgits only even booked just a few days before departure.

I rented a small car, and one big warning, CM is not a quiet town with all these trees and ancient temples, and people strolling with cold refreshing air. The traffic is horrendous. The city roads are jammed packed with cars, sontel buses, tuk tuks, and million of motorcycles. I regret driving a car myself, my blood pressure must have shot up to 200. And with motorcycles 2 cm from you, you must have some strong stomach.

My last visit about 4 years ago, I thought CM was hectic, but now the traffic and the air quality is totally atrocious, I got some allergic sinus problem after 2 days, had to buy a thick mask from pharmacy when walking out. And crossing major streets also takes some guts, it's almost like crossing roads in Ho Chi Minh.

But Chiang Mai has many good value hotel. First night I stayed at Orchid, only 1500 for a nice room. I drove to Sayuri about 7PM.

Before I walked in, I asked some Thai guys the price, the left side of fish tank is 1300, and right side 1000. There were about 15 girls, but non can be called cute. The place was packed with Thai guys, taking all the seats, so I stood there and papasans do not bother you at all. The girl turn around rate is very high, Thai guys must have very short sessions, because I stand and sit altogether about 45 min, I saw many girls gone and came back already.

Finally picked one from 1300 pool, and turned out to be a mommy, with some baby stretches. She wanted tip for BBBJ, and session was really ordinary, so was BBBJ. 200 tip which she asked herself.

Later drove to the moat and parked. Walked along Loi Kroh bars back and forth 2 times, did not see one single doable one. My day is finished.

Woke up so early had breakfast and checked out hotel. Drove around and visited 2 major city temples. Then went to a travel agent to see if any interesting optional half day tours. I ended up joining a Thai cooking lesson in the afternoon. Only 600 bahts with 4 students that day and the cooking teacher taught us 3 basic Thai dish. We also ate what we cooked ourselves, didn't taste too good. But the teacher ended up making us a nice meal before finishing the class.

Later that day I explored another massage at Phucome, but selection was so bad I drove to nearby Chiang Mai Hill Hotel massage. About 10 girls, small shop, price 1600 on the left and 1300 on the right. Nothing fancy in the fish tank, but decided on one big tit girl from 1600 side.

This girl won't do BBBJ, even offering tip, so the session did not go too well, ended up doing a HJ. No tip, papasan very friendly. The selection was quite small, and more expensive than Sayuri for their upper rank girls.

Drove to town and found the famous Spotlight gogo, the whole place was dead with about 3-4 customers at 10 PM, and several very fat ladies dancing, and 2-3 mediocre girls trying to get lady drinks from all of us, I left after 1 drink.

I moved on to my second hotel Chiang Mai Plaza. 1200 bahts for a nice room, another good deal. I walked around and found many karaokes, but I can sense it's all rip off. Did not try. Walked around night bazaar and finished the night.

decided to get out of chiang mai, but did not know where, intended to to chiang rai but after a wrong turn ended up on the cm-lampang high way, so decided to go ahead to lampang, a short drive.

but the road has some very trecherous and dangerous sections. one time a speeding thai blue bus was rolling down hill at top speed on a curb, and almost hit me on the side, probably missed me by 15 cm, these thai buses must be going down 150 km / hr or more even on down hill curbs. these thai bus and truck drivers have no regard for other people's lives, remember that when you drive in thailand, so you will beef up your defense.

i have been to lampang one time before about 7-8 years ago on transit. it was nice quiet town. drove around looking for a hotel, found many decided to stay pin hotel, only 600 bahts for a big room.

i asked the bell boy about places for fun, he told me there is entertainment complex with discos, karaoke, and massage. tipped him 50 bahts for the info and direction. i went to the entertainment complex, it is very close to the night market on the main road. there are a few pubs and some karaoke girls sitting down stair sofa in the lobby next to the pub, i asked them if i can skip karaoke and take girls out for fun, but the boy concierge said most girls only sing and i need to go up and drink and ask them myself. too much trouble so i skipped, but i found out there is a massage place in the same building, there was a stair in the back.

so i went in, a small fish bowl place. 3 in fish tank and 2 side line. no one was attractive, but decided to take a sideline 1600. again the girl is a mommy with sagging tits, but face was okay. service was alright and very friendly, need a hj to finish. i can tell this place gets very little business. the papasan told me they only have 5-6 girls now. i guess thats how big the market is in lampang.

after the session, went to the building lobby, more girls were sitting down stairs, all of them karaoke girls. 2-3 doable ones, but again need to do your karaoke process before you have a chance of taking them out. that was my night.

Decided to stay extra night in Lampang, switched hotel to Tipchang hotel. Basic room for 700 close to entertainment complex. 3 min walk. Drove to see some temples in the city and relaxed in the river bar for a few drinks.

Went to entertainment complex again. Saw these karaoke girls again on the first floor but did not feel tempted to go. Went to disco, saw a few possible freelancers. Talked to a few, including one doable one came with another girl. Definitely in the game, bought them some drinks, but music too loud, she told me she call me after disco.

I went into the same massage again, but exactly the same lineup, so did not take. Walked to 7/11 and the girl called me wanted to see me. I walked back to hotel and she came. She is definitely part time worker even she is a student. Every where in Thailand even in this tiny town, there are always freelancers in the disco pubs, nice country.

Good sex, good BBBJ, even said if I don't like condom I can take it off, I did not, and no money discussed until the end. She asked me for some tip, I intentionally gave her 1000 to see her reaction, she kind of frowned, and asked me another 500, I gave her. It was good sex compared to previous days.

She ended up staying in my room until about 6AM and asked me to drive her home, that was lousy, she said she had to go back her room prepare to go school. Crap, I got lost on the way back. 7 min drive to her place, took me 30 min to arrive back in hotel.

My Thai wife and I live in Chiang Mai.

A few weeks ago my wife decided that she would like to experience for the first time in her life an oil massage and that it would be more enjoyable if we went as a couple.

Not a sex massage but something a little risqué, both my wife and I prefer to be massaged in the nude that would be exciting for me to watch and perhaps enhance our marriage by sharing this experience together.

Prefer something not cheapo but reasonably priced. Not interested in the ripoff over priced spas that can charge up to 3500 baht each per hour.

First we tried a spa located in Hang Dong. Package included sauna 20 minutes, body scrub 1 hour and oil massage 1 hour. Cost 1200 baht each. The premises were superb, all private rooms with doors that made my wife feel secure and comfortable, had no complaints about that. The massage ladies were middle aged, jolly and really went out their way to make the event an enjoyable experience. Problem was that during the body scrub we were split up into separate rooms and I had to argue the point that we wished to be together during the oil massage. So the massage ladies took us downstairs to a double room. Although my wife and I wanted to be nude we still ended up having loads of towels wrapped around us which really took away the risqué part and some of the pleasure and thrill.

The following week we tried another spa / massage parlour in the town. Body scrub 350 baht 1 hour, oil massage 350 baht 1 hour. Again a private room with door but the premises was a bit of a dump and the shower had no hot water located in a cockroach infested bathroom. The massage ladies I can only describe as old hags in they're 50s maybe older. This time they not only wrapped us up in towels but also some sort of blanket made of course curtain material. After the body scrub and an ice cold shower they began the oil massage. Same thing, lots of towels and wrap around material. During the massage a man opened the door and walked in. He appeared to be the owner and gave the women instructions of where to go for their next job. This really spoilt the enjoyment for my wife. By this time I had had enough and was counting the minutes to the end.

A few days later we tried an oil massage located on the ground floor of a well known large hotel in Chiang Mai. Oil massage 2 hours 700 baht each. Nice clean premises but no private rooms for couples and only a curtain instead of doors.

2 middle aged women walked in. The lady assigned to massage my wife seemed to have no interest at all and had a facial expression that could sink a thousand ships. She wrapped my wife in towels and concentrated on massaging her arms and feet. My massage lady was OK with me, she let me throw off the towels and was not shy as she placed her hands around my balls, which was quite enjoyable. After an hour and 10 minutes the ladies said they wanted to go and wash their hands, then disappeared for 15 minutes. They came back finished the massage and that was that. Totally boring, the massage was crap and a waste of time.

The annoying part to all of it was that although I gave clear instructions to what we wanted, was agreed and they said no problem, they still ended up doing things their way. It was like being massaged by Nuns, so prim and proper, boring and nothing interesting considering what they are charging for this service.

There are scores of the cheapo massage parlours in Chiang Mai, but these are mostly geared up for men and happy endings, or do not have the facilities for a male and female couple.

So can any of you out there in Chiang Mai recommend a suitable massage parlour that can accommodate a couple? Reasonably priced, somewhere that doesn't require a bank loan for a 2 hour package and a little bit risqué not too prim and proper.

Thanks,

Arthur

This is a report about my visit in Chiang Mai last December. First night I took a room at one of the thousands hostals in town, then I moved to the Raming Lodge. Didn't want to be overhelmed by the backpackers women's infantry which fullfill the whole town.

Loi Khroh at night is quite fun, especially on the "old town" end. Anything else is quite dead. There are girls on offer, but I felt they didn't worth it.

Because Christmas and New Year's Eve period, there was a show everynight at the square in front of the Taphee Gate. One night I met a very nice FL overthere, she catched me with an almost invisible handsign. They are very shy, not easy to recognize in between people.

Anyway, I saw only one.

Going to Sayuri is easy on map, or by walk (sweaty distance anyway) , but it is not by driving, because main road to Sayuri is one way, towards town. I went with bycicle, and I did it all the way down on the sidewalk.

Sayuri has a long fishbowl, something like 40 meters long, with one single row of sofa and armchairs in front. On the other side of the glass, some steps with the girls. Room for at least 100 of them, but never seen more then 20 alltoghether. Only Thai people there, they use to have dinner while watching, most of them do not take any girl, they just go there and lurke around.

The price is standard for everyone, pay upfront before service.

I did'nt see any stunner, nor even some real beauty, but many good looking anyway.

I had luck, I choose one girl who was really keen to give a good service. A girl really convinced that it was her duty to give a good service. Kind of strange, isn't it? A disappeared species in BKK.

Almost at the "night market" end of Loi Khro, on the right side of the road (walking from town to the market) , there is an entertainment complex. A row of bar inside an hangar and a boxing ring at the end of the row. Narrow entrance, but evening time you cannot miss it, lot of loud music.

I went there 3 times just to have a drink. Not much to tell about, I didn't feel any vibe there. Plenty of girls, but I don't' know what they do to live, I didn't see anyone of them going away with customer. They just chit-chat in between them or with young tourists.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1128076]My Thai wife and I live in Chiang Mai.

A few weeks ago my wife decided that she would like to experience for the first time in her life an oil massage and that it would be more enjoyable if we went as a couple.

Not a sex massage but something a little risqué, both my wife and I prefer to be massaged in the nude that would be exciting for me to watch and perhaps enhance our marriage by sharing this experience together.

Prefer something not cheapo but reasonably priced. Not interested in the ripoff over priced spas that can charge up to 3500 baht each per hour.

First we tried a spa located in Hang Dong. Package included sauna 20 minutes, body scrub 1 hour and oil massage 1 hour. Cost 1200 baht each. The premises were superb, all private rooms with doors that made my wife feel secure and comfortable, had no complaints about that. The massage ladies were middle aged, jolly and really went out their way to make the event an enjoyable experience. Problem was that during the body scrub we were split up into separate rooms and I had to argue the point that we wished to be together during the oil massage. So the massage ladies took us downstairs to a double room. Although my wife and I wanted to be nude we still ended up having loads of towels wrapped around us which really took away the risqué part and some of the pleasure and thrill.

The following week we tried another spa / massage parlour in the town. Body scrub 350 baht 1 hour, oil massage 350 baht 1 hour. Again a private room with door but the premises was a bit of a dump and the shower had no hot water located in a cockroach infested bathroom. The massage ladies I can only describe as old hags in they're 50s maybe older. This time they not only wrapped us up in towels but also some sort of blanket made of course curtain material. After the body scrub and an ice cold shower they began the oil massage. Same thing, lots of towels and wrap around material. During the massage a man opened the door and walked in. He appeared to be the owner and gave the women instructions of where to go for their next job. This really spoilt the enjoyment for my wife. By this time I had had enough and was counting the minutes to the end.

A few days later we tried an oil massage located on the ground floor of a well known large hotel in Chiang Mai. Oil massage 2 hours 700 baht each. Nice clean premises but no private rooms for couples and only a curtain instead of doors.

2 middle aged women walked in. The lady assigned to massage my wife seemed to have no interest at all and had a facial expression that could sink a thousand ships. She wrapped my wife in towels and concentrated on massaging her arms and feet. My massage lady was OK with me, she let me throw off the towels and was not shy as she placed her hands around my balls, which was quite enjoyable. After an hour and 10 minutes the ladies said they wanted to go and wash their hands, then disappeared for 15 minutes. They came back finished the massage and that was that. Totally boring, the massage was crap and a waste of time.

The annoying part to all of it was that although I gave clear instructions to what we wanted, was agreed and they said no problem, they still ended up doing things their way. It was like being massaged by Nuns, so prim and proper, boring and nothing interesting considering what they are charging for this service.

There are scores of the cheapo massage parlours in Chiang Mai, but these are mostly geared up for men and happy endings, or do not have the facilities for a male and female couple.

So can any of you out there in Chiang Mai recommend a suitable massage parlour that can accommodate a couple? Reasonably priced, somewhere that doesn't require a bank loan for a 2 hour package and a little bit risqué not too prim and proper.

Thanks,

Arthur[/QUOTE]You could try the one on Changklan Road. That is the same road that ends / starts at the

Night Plaza. If at the Night Plaza, head towards the big intersection with traffic lights,"out of the city", and continue straight through the first intersection, as well as the second intersection, also.

With traffic lights.

The shop is about 300m past the second intersection, on your right side immediatly after a Karaoke joint called "Pink Lady", sharing the drive-in with a big restaurant.

I am not 100% sure they have a big room for couples, but I was once offered a VIP room.

I was not interested and did not see the room, but I would make a bet that is a room that could.

Accommodate couples too.

Could use.

[quote=werqweq; 1130283]you could try the one on changklan road. that is the same road that ends / starts at the

night plaza. if at the night plaza, head towards the big intersection with traffic lights,"out of the city", and continue straight through the first intersection, as well as the second intersection, also.

with traffic lights.

the shop is about 300m past the second intersection, on your right side immediatly after a karaoke joint called "pink lady", sharing the drive-in with a big restaurant.

i am not 100% sure they have a big room for couples, but i was once offered a vip room.

i was not interested and did not see the room, but i would make a bet that is a room that could.

accommodate couples too.

could use.[/quote]thank you for the information.

we found the place, it`s called the evita massage.

the massage was good and the premises ideal, they massaged my wife and i in a large room on a king sized bed. the room had a large mirror on the wall, which i liked. only problem was that there is no door in the room, only a curtain. this did put my wife off because there were people walking about and being massaged outside. so i had my eye on the curtain for most of the time in case someone decided to walk in our room.

we asked for a 2 hour oil massage at 350 baht per hour for each of us.

2 ladies, not lookers by any stretch of the imagination. the lady who massaged my wife was early 40s, my massage lady mid 30s.

they did exactly what i wanted, massaged us in the nude, not the ladies but my wife and i and the massage was good although very mild, more for relax than therapeutic. the 2 massage ladies wore white overalls and thick dark brown slacks the whole time, which was rather off putting.

most of the time my massage lady had her hands around my dick that i really enjoyed. towards the end of the massage my wife fell asleep then my massage lady whispered if i wanted a hand job? i said no because my wife in lying next to me. so the other massage lady sat in front of my wife's face so she couldn't see what was happening. again she asked, do you want a hand job? and again i said no. but the woman was persistent, nagging in fact, obviously looking for tips and went on and on like a child begging for sweets until i agreed.

then she said ok. 1000 baht and she kept on holding up her fingers describing the amount of money required. i replied, no way. so she dropped the price to 400 baht for her and another 400 baht for her friend. i again replied, no way. i said 300 baht for you, take it or leave it. the lady agreed and i got my hand job. got the usual crap, my boss not allow me to do this, please give me tip now she said in a stern voice.

after the massage was finished the wife and me were asked if we would like to shower. we agreed but once we saw the shower facility we decided to give it a miss and wait until we arrived home. the shower was just a brick outhouse and filthy.

the total cost was 1900 baht. 1400 baht massage. 300 baht tip for my lady and 200 baht tip for my wife's lady.

it was ok but i felt pressured, as if it was a push to gain as much money from us as possible in the shortest time possible and i did not feel comfortable with that. i always tip very generously if i receive a good service, but the constant nagging and haggling for money spoilt the experience for me. i was prepared to give a 1000 baht tip if this had been a really enjoyable experience and the ladies let me relax and maybe took myore interest with my wife instead of pressurising me for money. the attitude made me clamp up and uncomfortable.

i think if the lady massaging my wife would have taken more interest and got the wife going a bit, the experience would have been more enjoyable for both of us. but the emphasis was placed on me, perhaps believing that i was the one with the money.

would we go again? no, i doubt it.

These days you would be hard pushed to find a Chiang Mai massage parlour that does not give hand jobs. It`s easier to enquire; which massage parlours don`t do hand jobs?

Now even the establishments that were in the past the most stringent of legit massage parlours will oblige with a happy ending.

This all came about within the last couple of years as the Chiang Mai tourist industry dwindled and these entertainment establishments such as massage parlours became desperate to maintain they're incomes and stay in business.

The massage women, most are plain looking and in the 35s up bracket although there are some far and between young lookers, began doing hand jobs as an additional service of the standard oil massage to earn extra income.

All this may sound great, but there are drawbacks.

Many of the massage parlours have become known as the happy ending parlours and the actual massage has become secondary. Once inside these places the woman's sole life ambition becomes to obtain as much money from the customer in the shortest possible time.

Usually she has her hands around the guy's genitals within the first 3 minutes and if the guy reacts as he should, then the woman begins the bartering process. You want? Yes; how much you tip me? Or she may hold up her fingers if the woman thinks her conversation maybe over heard. She will try it on according to how naïve and gullible she considers the customer to be. This is a big turn off for me.

Some will ask for 1000 baht plus the massage fee. Others will try they're luck at 500 baht. But I never go above 300 baht for the hand relief plus whatever the price of the massage. Take it or leave it I say. So far only a couple has refused and insisted on more.

These women can be extremely insistent and not except no for an answer. It can be like being locked in a room with a high pressure salesman. The favourite line is; you are my first customer today, please give me good tip or business no good, you be kind, OK?

There have been times when I have been in and out of a massage parlour within 20 minutes flat. Cost 250 baht for the so called 1 hour massage and 300 baht for the hand job.

Most of the women seem to want to get it over with a. S. A. P and insist on not touching them. The woman sits facing the customer about knee distance, just enough so that the guy is not able to reach her if he happens to get a bit amorous. They seem to have 10 foot long arms and body well out of reach. Just quick and easy money for them.

Over time I have become bored with it and have been searching for something more adventurous but can`t seem to find this in Chiang Mai.

The Chiang Mai bar scene is pretty grim.

The good stuff was all moved to Chiang Mai land some years ago. Take a look outside and you will see all the girls of your dreams. Problem is those bars are reserved for the elite and not for me and the rest of the peasants who can't afford them.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1133444]Thank you for the information.

We found the place, it`s called the Evita massage.

The massage was good and the premises ideal, they massaged my wife and I in a large room on a king sized bed. The room had a large mirror on the wall, which I liked. Only problem was that there is no door in the room, only a curtain. This did put my wife off because there were people walking about and being massaged outside. So I had my eye on the curtain for most of the time in case someone decided to walk in our room.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had a bad experience. I guess my directions were not good enough, as it sounds,

At least by the name, that you found the wrong place.

The place I had mind is called "Changklan Photowatch massage", or something similar.

Best direction I can give is that it's the next drive-in after passing the Pink Lady karaoke

When going away from the Night Bazar. Same side of the road as Pink Lady, which is your right handside, going away from the Night Bazar.

That said, I doubt you will find woman showing "interest" in your female companion. Would.

Surly be unusual in Thailand, no?

Perhaps you'd have better luck with a male masseur. I drove around a few years ago with.

Similar intentions and found a place that in addition to the women also had a man working there,

So I know it at least was possible to find a non-gay place with men working. That was some years ago, and I have no recollection of where it was, and it would probably not matter any longer, since it was so long ago. Probably not so easy to find a place like that, but at least they.

Exist (ed).

Sorry about the funny formating of my posts. Don't know why this website reformats, adds punctuation, uppercasing and linebreaks to it. :/

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1134092]These days you would be hard pushed to find a Chiang Mai massage parlour that does not give hand jobs. It`s easier to enquire; which massage parlours don`t do hand jobs?

Now even the establishments that were in the past the most stringent of legit massage parlours will oblige with a happy ending.

This all came about within the last couple of years as the Chiang Mai tourist industry dwindled and these entertainment establishments such as massage parlours became

Desperate to maintain they're incomes and stay in business.

The massage women, most are plain looking and in the 35s up bracket although there are some far and between young lookers, began doing hand jobs as an additional service of the standard oil massage to earn extra income.

All this may sound great, but there are drawbacks.

Many of the massage parlours have become known as the happy ending parlours and the actual massage has become secondary. Once inside these places the woman's sole life ambition becomes to obtain as much money from the customer in the shortest possible time.

Usually she has her hands around the guy's genitals within the first 3 minutes and if the guy reacts as he should, then the woman begins the bartering process. You want? Yes; how much you tip me? Or she may hold up her fingers if the woman thinks her conversation maybe over heard. She will try it on according to how naïve and gullible she considers the customer to be. This is a big turn off for me.

Some will ask for 1000 baht plus the massage fee. Others will try they're luck at 500 baht. But I never go above 300 baht for the hand relief plus whatever the price of the massage. Take it or leave it I say. So far only a couple has refused and insisted on more.

These women can be extremely insistent and not except no for an answer. It can be like being locked in a room with a high pressure salesman. The favourite line is; you are my first customer today, please give me good tip or business no good, you be kind, OK?

There have been times when I have been in and out of a massage parlour within 20 minutes flat. Cost 250 baht for the so called 1 hour massage and 300 baht for the hand job.

Most of the women seem to want to get it over with a. S. A. P and insist on not touching them. The woman sits facing the customer about knee distance, just enough so that the guy is not able to reach her if he happens to get a bit amorous. They seem to have 10 foot long arms and body well out of reach. Just quick and easy money for them.

Over time I have become bored with it and have been searching for something more adventurous but can`t seem to find this in Chiang Mai.

The Chiang Mai bar scene is pretty grim.

The good stuff was all moved to Chiang Mai land some years ago. Take a look outside and you will see all the girls of your dreams. Problem is those bars are reserved for the elite and not for me and the rest of the peasants who can't afford them.[/QUOTE]AT, thanks for your latest report about the TM scene in Chiang Mai. Only a few years ago it was much more exciting, at least for me. There were also some young and sometimes cute girls working there. As they had a queue I just had to try several places / days until I was lucky enough to be assigned to one of them. On the following visit I could ask for the girl I had before. Not all young girls would go outside, not all would give HJ. FS was the rare exception. So it is sad news, to hear about the recent changes! I have had a regular young massage girl since 2008. She is still working in the same place. Whenever I come to Chiang Mai I call the shop to have her sent to my hotel. I give her 800 Baht for 2 hours oil massage, hand relief in between included. She seems to be very happy very with it. Madame gives her only 50 Baht per hour for regular massage, so I do not know, how much she can keep as her tip. The girl does not talk much and her massage is quite good, so the emphasis in the shop must be on massage and not on extras. I do not even know if HJ is officially allowed in this shop. My request to everybody with my preferences: please always tip the girls at least 50 Bht in the shop, then they will not be as desperate any more to sell HJs in a high pressure situation, even if you are only there for a plain relaxing massage, sometimes. I also believe that 300 Baht for HJ (maybe 200 more for excellent service) are adequate, on top of the normal fee. I caught a cold and fever in this lousy weather, so I have stayed in my hotel room, for several days, but soon I will walk around again, hoping to find nice ladies in some hidden TM shops, somewhere and report about my experiences on this forum later on.

I thought before, that LE in Chiang Mai was not interested in anything that was not happening in public. Still I never mentioned names and places last year, just wrote how somebody like me, who does not like the bar scene, can possibly find nice female company once in a while, in other ways. I have been away for one year, things may have changed. Recently I heard some rumours, so I am not so sure anymore. Maybe I better delay my reports for now.

Does anybody know if those three places at Ninanheming are still going on? It has been a while that I have not.

Been to SEA.

Hey all,

I'm in Chiang Mai for a few days visiting some friends. Had a massage today and thought I should give a quick trip report.

I'm not too familiar with Chiang Mai, so I can't give you the street name but the massage place was on the same street as the big Gecko book store. It's called Yo's Massage.

When we first got there I was going to turn around. Only because I hate places where you are separated from other people by only a curtain. But they saw what I was concerned about and told me that they have 1 (one) private room. Ok. Fine for me. My friend only wanted a foot massage so it wasn't a problem. If he had wanted the full oil massage we would have had to go somewhere else.

The woman that gave me the massage told me after that she was 50 years old. She didn't look 50 but she wasn't pretty either. She also wasn't very good at massage.

Now, myself: I love a happy ending, but I'm also there for a good massage. I didn't get one. It wasn't the worst massage I've had. I would rate it as below-average.

Ok. So, besides that. The ending was awesome. By the end of the massage I was fully hard and she started rubbing. She asked "OK?" I said "Of course!"

Awesome HJ and didn't ask me about any money. After I'd finished, she cleaned me up and then gently played with my balls while we talked for a few minutes. She still hadn't asked me for money. I'm not sure. But I think she would have been happy if I'd only paid the 200B for the massage.

I gave her 300B as a tip and she was surprised and happy.

Bottom line. Massage wasn't great, she wasn't pretty (she's a close your eyes girl) , HJ was awesome, service was great.

[QUOTE=Samu Ray; 1143338]Does anybody know if those three places at Ninanheming are still going on? It has been a while that I have not.

Been to SEA. [/QUOTE]I was at the Nimmanhaeman places yesterday. There is only one place that is in business, at soi 13. Cost is 750 baht, but there did not seem to be very many ladies. I chose one and she was a gamer but not really that pretty.

I think the better suggestion is to go to the nearby chiangmai hill hotel massage parlor. 1300 for ladies on the right, and 1500 for the younger ones on the left. Much better selection.

Here some Search Results about Chiangmai Massage and Dayhouses.

It's not all new. But most are still activ.

[img]http://up.picr.de/7753100obw.pdf[/img]

Enjoy.

I'll be back in Chiang Mai for my 3rd visit in the past year. I'll also be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya so I'll have plenty of opportunity for fun and won't mind the more laid back Chiang Mai scene. But reading here it sounds like it might be even slower than before!

I had good luck at Spotlight last time with a lady who wasn't a looker but was an All Star in bed, a true freak. Also, I had a great time at a massage place between the Shangri-La and the Night Market with a great masseuse who gave FS extras that were outstanding. I hope to repeat with both.

Also, last trip we visited the Muay Thai fights and there was a knockout huge breasted girl at one of the bars inside who I couldn't do because I was with business colleagues. I am thinking of going back just to see if she is still there.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my visit. I always have fun there even though it's a shadow of what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I'll report back when I get there.

In the meantime, any tips would be appreciated although I plan to do the Loi Kroh, Spotlight, Foxy Lady scene mostly.

Cheers,

Pablo

[QUOTE=Pablo; 1181243]I'll be back in Chiang Mai for my 3rd visit in the past year. I'll also be spending time in Bangkok and Pattaya so I'll have plenty of opportunity for fun and won't mind the more laid back Chiang Mai scene. But reading here it sounds like it might be even slower than before!

I had good luck at Spotlight last time with a lady who wasn't a looker but was an All Star in bed, a true freak. Also, I had a great time at a massage place between the Shangri-La and the Night Market with a great masseuse who gave FS extras that were outstanding. I hope to repeat with both.

Also, last trip we visited the Muay Thai fights and there was a knockout huge breasted girl at one of the bars inside who I couldn't do because I was with business colleagues. I am thinking of going back just to see if she is still there.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my visit. I always have fun there even though it's a shadow of what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I'll report back when I get there.

In the meantime, any tips would be appreciated although I plan to do the Loi Kroh, Spotlight, Foxy Lady scene mostly.

Cheers,

Pablo[/QUOTE]You have pretty much covered everything except Spicies for the freelancers and bar girls who have finished their shift.

Its pretty quiet here no (very). Seems to me a lot more katoeys making their way down Loi Kroh earlier in the night then usual competing for the dollar as well.

Some very nice plain drinking bars are struggling to make a quid.

Still love the place though. But your best bet for catch and release is Loh Kroh near the moat or the boxing bars as far as selection goes.

Arrived about midday and already booked into Raming lodge. Good hotel, GF and close to all I wanted. This hotel is on Loi Kroh st to which there are many small restaurants and bars. Spent the afternoon getting my bearings. After a top meal walked to the night markets to check out massage places. There are a few but all have happy endings but not much else.

Then back to Loi Kroh back towards town centre a little soi to the left has a few bars with girls. Only average so went further down past Raming lodge and found 5 or 6 bars, all with girls. All still only 6's and 7's but after a few drinks left with one. 300bt bar fine and 100 all night. Sessions that night and then an early morning session and she left at 8. 00 am.

Tourist things the next day and then early dinner and to a bar 200metres from hotel and met another seven. As it was early I had a couple of drinks with lady. Barfined her at 8. 30 and went to my hotel for a couple of lively sessions before a sleep. A good performer waking up early asking me for more. Everything was on the menu for both nights and even though the quality was not Bangkok well worth the price of 1000bt plus 300bt for bar.

[QUOTE=Hari Hara; 1163974]I think the better suggestion is to go to the nearby chiangmai hill hotel massage parlor. 1300 for ladies on the right, and 1500 for the younger ones on the left. QUOTE]

You shouldn't pay more than 1000- Baht for the right Side. And many from the 1500-Baht will not go with Foreigner.

For me Sayuri is better, but far from my Condo.

I will be in town next week, arriving on Sunday. Not sure how long I will stay yet. From reading forum it sounds dire. So unless I am pleasantly surprised I will just visit the parks and temples and then move on. Is anyone else around next week?

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1190928]Hello, Fellow Mongers:

I will be in Chiangmai for Loy Krathong 8. 11 November staying at Rainforest Boutique Hotel. I was going to take a DIA girl from BKK there but I haven't met her yet. From her pictures (we've been emailing) she looks quite nice, sexy, busty slim, just like I like. However, if this option does not pan out what is the likelihood of meeting a similar girl in CM? I read a few pages back in this thread and the reviews are mixed. Some say CM is dead for mongers. Others say not really.

Are the girls even friendlier during Loy Krathong? Maybe I will get lucky. What do you think? Thanks for any replies and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai is not dead for mongers, it's just not as good as Bangkok or Pattaya. But it's better than 99% of the rest of the world excluding major mongering destinations in Thailand, Phils, or Indonesia, or Brazil.

The fact is, there are several bars with ladies at the end of Loi Kroh Road near the Taphae Gate, there is an entertainment plaza around the Middle of Loi Kroh road near the Imperial Mae Ping hotel that has Muy Thai boxing and a few lady bars (also a couple of lady-boy bars, so beware) , and there are a couple of brothels near Nimanhaeman Road, and there are a couple of soapies, including Sakura.

Basically, I wouldn't go to Chiang Mai for mongering, but I would go there for tourism or other reasons, and still be comforted by knowing that there are mongering opportunities to be found there in addition to the more typical touristic fare.

Hello,

Lots of Thai people believe that the nicest looking ladies in their country come from Chiang Mai. I have been there several times. In general the people are more friendly, the ladies do look nice and there is a friendly country side atmosphere. Surely worth a visit.

Greetings, Frits

[QUOTE=D Cups;1190928]Some say CM is dead for mongers. Others say not really.[/QUOTE]It depends on what your definition of dead is. Although I would not recommend going to CM solely for its nightlife, if you find yourself in Chiang Mai for other, mainly tourist reasons, then there is no reason why you will not have a good time there. Your best bet is to walk down Loi Kroh Road from the Taphae Gate towards the night market. Most of the open air hostess bars are located in the first two blocks on your left. I wouldn't say there are lots of pretty girls, but there are some lookers and they are very friendly. When I was last there I also went to Foxy Lady Go Go near the D2 hotel. Again nothing like Pattaya or Cowboy; they had around 7 girls not including the mamasan, but a good time was definitely had.

I like CM for the great food, be sure to go to Khun Chern restaurant at Nimmanhaemin Road Soi 17, and its proximity to the Pai, Soppong, Mae Hong Son circuit. This is a great bike trip and should take at least 6 days to do it well. I really dug Mae Hong Son. It is a great little provincial town even though I did not get laid there. Inthanon NP is very beautiful as well.

Thanks to Natty Bumpo and Member #2041 for confirming that CM may be quiet as a punting destination but is not dead.

I'm wondering about the attitude of hotels to punting in CM, which sounds a relatively conservative place. Are there ST hotels? And / or are conventional hotels generally girl-friendly?

Most grateful for any thoughts.

[QUOTE=Reporter2010; 1191293]Thanks to Natty Bumpo and Member #2041 for confirming that CM may be quiet as a punting destination but is not dead.

I'm wondering about the attitude of hotels to punting in CM, which sounds a relatively conservative place. Are there ST hotels? And / or are conventional hotels generally girl-friendly?

Most grateful for any thoughts.[/QUOTE]My favorite place in Chiang Mai to stay is the Raming Lodge. It's a nice 2-3* hotel located right near most of the lady bars on Loi Kroh Road. It's guest friendly as well.

some time ago i accidentally discovered the pretty club, elite massage from a thai newspaper advertisement.

last week i decided to give it a try.

not easy to find.

travel down the nimmanhemin road heading towards doi suthep. pass the kad suan kaew shopping mall that will be on your left.

about 3 kilometres passed kad suan kaew you will see a bangkok bank also on your left. turn into the soi where that bank is on the corner.

go down the soi until it comes to a dead end. there you will see a big garden and small car park. that's it, the pretty club.

this club is run entirely by students of chiang mai university as a means for them to pay their tuition fees.

a very tasteful rep001tering of buildings. not seedy in anyway. walk into the reception, where a nice young lady receptionist should greet you.

they all speak passable english, enough for you to communicate.

the lady explained to me the service and the price.

an oil massage and body massage. 799 baht 40 minutes. 999 baht 1 hour.

i agreed and then she called out a selection of a dozen girls for me to choose. everyone a stunner. 10 out of 10. ages from 19 to 21. not the usual old skank available in the town, this was good quality, the real stuff.

so i chose a girl and off we went into a nice room with shower, mirrors and a clock standing on small draw unit next to the bed.

first the girl went into the wc room to pamper herself up a bit, and then she stripped off all but her canvas shorts.

i lay naked on my stomach in the bed and the massage began. she covered me in oil and slid along my back backwards and forwards. great i thought.

then after 5 minutes everything began to change. the girl prodded me for my attention. she said here are the rules; no touching and the shorts stay on unless i pay her an extra 700 baht. being as i'the gone this far, i agreed. the girl then took off her shorts and she was completely naked. she was mouth wateringly gorgeous. so off we go again and this time she allowed me to feel her everywhere. but there was no kissing, no close contact and no intercourse allowed.

another 10 minutes passed and the girl decided to go to the loo. i noticed that she craftily took the clock with her so as i would not notice the time.

after the massage she followed this by giving me a hand job and she wasn't so good at that either. then into the shower where she gave me a wash down and that was that.

i estimated that in total the whole session lasted for 40 minutes, which cost me 1700 baht.

as far as i saw the situation it was a snifter of some decent pussy, somewhat like having the foreplay without the sex.

this has not deterred me from visiting the pretty club again and i wouldn't advise anyone else not to go either, only as they say; once bitten twice shy. so i advise that if you go, is to confirm what you get and for how much before entering the room with any of the girls.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1190928]Hello, Fellow Mongers:

I will be in Chiangmai for Loy Krathong 8. 11 November staying at Rainforest Boutique Hotel. I was going to take a DIA girl from BKK there but I haven't met her yet. From her pictures (we've been emailing) she looks quite nice, sexy, busty slim, just like I like. However, if this option does not pan out what is the likelihood of meeting a similar girl in CM? I read a few pages back in this thread and the reviews are mixed. Some say CM is dead for mongers. Others say not really.

Are the girls even friendlier during Loy Krathong? Maybe I will get lucky. What do you think? Thanks for any replies and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]CM is one place in Thailand I would consider living. Clean, good infrastructure, not crowded. I really like it. That being said, it is not a mongering destination. A few HJ in the MP's and a few bars on Loi Kroh with girls. There is a couple of unimpressive dance clubs behind the Meridien.

My suggestion is to meet a girl from one of the sites. You have already had luck with the BKK girl and I have seen plenty of cute girls from Chaing Mai on the various dating sites. There are lots of girls around, but most don't appear to be working. I am sure they would love to meet a stud like you.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1193037]AT, did you see any big boob girls in there? . Thanks.[/QUOTE]You quoted 8 screens of text to ask your big boob question? Give us a break. :(

Slim

[QUOTE=Reporter2010; 1191293]I'm wondering about the attitude of hotels to punting in CM, which sounds a relatively conservative place. Are there ST hotels? And / or are conventional hotels generally girl-friendly?

Most grateful for any thoughts.[/QUOTE]Almost all of the hotels in downtown Chaingmai are very guest friendly, only proviso is that they may charge extra for your guests breakfast!

IMHO the Ramming Lodge although central to some of the action is a bit dated. Nearby alternatives such as the "M" hotel, or the I'm hotel offer better value and much better breakfasts. BUT book in advance online for the best prices!

Although the north end of Loy Kroh perhaps the greatest concentration of girlie bars in town, there is plenty of action in other areas around town for those looking for a change.

[QUOTE=Sansai; 1194552]Almost all of the hotels in downtown Chaingmai are very guest friendly, only proviso is that they may charge extra for your guests breakfast!

IMHO the Ramming Lodge although central to some of the action is a bit dated. Nearby alternatives such as the "M" hotel, or the I'm hotel offer better value and much better breakfasts. BUT book in advance online for the best prices!

Although the north end of Loy Kroh perhaps the greatest concentration of girlie bars in town, there is plenty of action in other areas around town for those looking for a change.[/QUOTE]Please tell us where all this action is, in other areas around the town?

Besides a few skanky little bars in the Loi Kroh road, the well passed it`s sell by date Spotlite bar, the rippoff soapy massages and as already mentioned the rippoff Pretty club, what else is there?

[QUOTE=Reporter2010; 1191293]Thanks to Natty Bumpo and Member #2041 for confirming that CM may be quiet as a punting destination but is not dead.

I'm wondering about the attitude of hotels to punting in CM, which sounds a relatively conservative place. Are there ST hotels? And / or are conventional hotels generally girl-friendly?

Most grateful for any thoughts.[/QUOTE]You would have to work pretty hard to find a hotel. Particularly in the tourist area. That is [I]not[/I] Girl-friendly. I have never encountered or come to think of it even heard of one. Thai culture is quite conservative in some ways but in others totally not it's a mix. Everyone knows what you are there for if you are in that area and no one is going to be the least surprised let alone offended when you show up with a girl, so don't sweat it.

If you want to be in the heart of the action (what there is of it) I recommend Bauphong Lodge on Loi Kroh Soi 3. Very nice place, Chris a friendly Ozzie bloke and his Thai wife Noi run it. The lady the works the front desk is really sweet and smart.

Raming Lodge is not "dated". The place was only built 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=Roll Aides; 1199181].

If you want to be in the heart of the action (what there is of it) I recommend [b]Bauphong Lodge on Loi Kroh Soi 3[/b]. Very nice place, Chris a friendly Ozzie bloke and his Thai wife Noi run it. The lady the works the front desk is really sweet and smart.[/QUOTE]Google does not come up with anything on "Bauphong Lodge" in CM.

Can someone please help with a website or phone?

Thanks.

DS

Dang I'm sorry I musta been drinking. It's [B]Bautong[/B]

[url]http://www.bautonglodge.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Daddy San; 1203174]Google does not come up with anything on "Bauphong Lodge" in CM.

Can someone please help with a website or phone?

Thanks.

DS[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification.

DS

Hey boyz,

What do you guys think of the wew Spicy disco? For me, I think it's a vast improvement. It seems to have the same crowd, but it doesn't stink as much as the old, dilapitated one. It's much newer, but perhaps it has lost some of the "tradition" (I can't say "charm") of the old Spicy. However, overall, it's an improvement to CM's after hours scene for farangs (2am-5am). It was really the only place for farangs after hours.

Speaking of Loy Krathong, is it confirmed for Nov 10 this year? I wanted to know when the big release of lanterns at Mae Jo is, anybody in Chiang Mai know? I haven't booked my tickets because I'm not sure if everything will go according to plan because of the weather!

[QUOTE=D Cups;1202581]Has anyone stayed at the Rainforest Hotel? I will be there for Loy Krathong.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Loy Krathong, is it confirmed to be on Nov 10th? I'm very keen on being in Chiang Mai for the big lantern release at Mae Jo. Anybody in Chiang Mai know when that is? I still haven't booked my flights yet because I'm afraid things may not go according to plan if the weather plays spoil sport!

[QUOTE=You Kiddin;1205376]Speaking of Loy Krathong, is it confirmed to be on Nov 10th? I'm very keen on being in Chiang Mai for the big lantern release at Mae Jo. Anybody in Chiang Mai know when that is? I still haven't booked my flights yet because I'm afraid things may not go according to plan if the weather plays spoil sport![/QUOTE]It is on the 10th. Of November yes.

My questions are:

It is possible these days to get a shag in Chiang Mai without having to visit a bar and going through the bar ritual of buying drinks and paying bar fines, or using one of those rip-off soapy massage parlours.

Are there still any lady houses hidden away somewhere?

If anyone knows, please share?

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1212001]It is possible these days to get a shag in Chiang Mai without having to visit a bar.

[/QUOTE]maybe you should just read the Threads about Chiangmai!

[url]http://up.picr.de/7753100obw.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Beno69; 1212252]maybe you should just read the Threads about Chiangmai!

[url]http://up.picr.de/7753100obw.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]Are you suggesting he will find the required information in something that says it was updated in 2008?

Hopefully somebody who actually has any information will reply. I unfortunately do not.

Had originally planned to visit BKK (arriving next week) for few days then take overnight train to CM. Heard some parts of BKK underwater but most areas spared and also CM was not really affected by the current floods. But have trouble finding info if the train from BKK to CM was affected as alot of areas between these 2 cities were underwater.

Anyone have any info on the current train situation between BKK and CM?

Thanks

As of 2 November: [url]http://www.thaitravelnews.net/bangkok-2/bangkok-chiang-mai-rail-services-resume/[/url]

Trains running northbound again BKK to CM, no southbound service atm.

Can't really speak to what will be happening next week.

[QUOTE=Freezone; 1212757]Had originally planned to visit BKK (arriving next week) for few days then take overnight train to CM. Heard some parts of BKK underwater but most areas spared and also CM was not really affected by the current floods. But have trouble finding info if the train from BKK to CM was affected as alot of areas between these 2 cities were underwater.

Anyone have any info on the current train situation between BKK and CM?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq; 1212622]Are you suggesting he will find the required information in something that says it was updated in 2008?

Hopefully somebody who actually has any information will reply. I unfortunately do not.[/QUOTE]Yes actually, that is what is being suggested I believe, and not unreasonably so. But, here is an update as well as a map for those who might want to adventure into the land of low-cost mongering:

[url]http://g.co/maps/3bq2j[/url]

These can be hard to find with only verbal directions, hopefully the map will help some.

The northernmost of the three places that were off Nimmanheamin is now closed, the other two are still there.

The karaoke-style one is actually a pretty good value imo, at least if you're in the area. The ladies are friendlier than at the MP's and it's kind of down to earth. On the other hand, there is no hot water in the rooms, and BJ is usually extra baht and also covered. 650 baht fan room 700 baht A / C. I've had some good times there, the beer is cheap, and it's rather open and relaxing.

The place directly south of that on the same soi is a dump, but it's only 500 baht. The one time I was in there there were like 10 Thai guys and three women sitting around in a tiny hut watching a tiny tv and chatting. I have no idea what the deal is there I can't image they were all waiting their turn. Anyway the papasan speaks English and was quite friendly. The rooms however are depressing—words escape me. Try it if you want to. The girl I was with had a stellar rack.

Last one I know of I have never read about just wandered past it, might be a new find, on Morokat road.

The girls here were mostly unappetizing but there was one little cutie that seemed quite fresh. Mamasan speaks NO English. The deal is that you can only take ladies out—no rooms on premises, but there is a short-time hotel maybe 100 yards away that is included in the price. 600 short time. Girls are also avail overnight was told 2500 baht—fuck that. My complaint with this placw was that the hotel rental is for maybe 30 minutes, then a guy starts knocking on the door. I guess that is probably enough time for the average Thai customer to do it 2 or 3 times but alas I was just getting warmed up.

Do not expect excellent or GFE service at these places, they are there for low-income Thai customers and you might luck out and get a girl who is into it if they like you but more likely you will get a basic fuck from a shy girl with stretch marks, who won't kiss and will expect you to finish in five minutes, not to mention wanting extra for a (covered) BJ.

Some of these girls are really quite nice but they are all earning a living on their backs and you can't really expect them to be all excited when your fat white ass drags in. Still, beats the heck out of a handjob for 5-700 baht, imo.

Now concerning Mr. Tick's complaint. I am guessing that these are not what you are looking for sir, as you seem to be very hard to satisfy. However may I point out that there is really no need to do the whole "ritual" when barfining a girl down on Loi Kroh. You can really walk straight up to a girl and smile, say you go with me? Pay bar, and take her home. That's about as painless as getting take-out sushi, and if you're lucky the fish will be fresher.

The girls don't mind they are there to get a customer not a because they have romantic feelings for you that they want reciprocated. The bars don't mind they are there for the same reason—money. BTW the barfine does seem like an exorbitant extra cost and it is, but prostitution, incredibly, is nominally illegal in Thailand, and the bars have to pay the local authorities so that they can stay open and keep providing us with pretty girls to have sex with.

[QUOTE=Roll Aides; 1212881]Yes actually, that is what is being suggested I believe, and not unreasonably so. But, here is an update as well as a map for those who might want to adventure into the land of low-cost mongering:

[url]http://g.co/maps/3bq2j[/url]

These can be hard to find with only verbal directions, hopefully the map will help some.

The northernmost of the three places that were off Nimmanheamin is now closed, the other two are still there.

The karaoke-style one is actually a pretty good value imo, at least if you're in the area. The ladies are friendlier than at the MP's and it's kind of down to earth. On the other hand, there is no hot water in the rooms, and BJ is usually extra baht and also covered. 650 baht fan room 700 baht A / C. I've had some good times there, the beer is cheap, and it's rather open and relaxing.

The place directly south of that on the same soi is a dump, but it's only 500 baht. The one time I was in there there were like 10 Thai guys and three women sitting around in a tiny hut watching a tiny tv and chatting. I have no idea what the deal is there I can't image they were all waiting their turn. Anyway the papasan speaks English and was quite friendly. The rooms however are depressing—words escape me. Try it if you want to. The girl I was with had a stellar rack.

Last one I know of I have never read about just wandered past it, might be a new find, on Morokat road.

The girls here were mostly unappetizing but there was one little cutie that seemed quite fresh. Mamasan speaks NO English. The deal is that you can only take ladies out—no rooms on premises, but there is a short-time hotel maybe 100 yards away that is included in the price. 600 short time. Girls are also avail overnight was told 2500 baht—fuck that. My complaint with this placw was that the hotel rental is for maybe 30 minutes, then a guy starts knocking on the door. I guess that is probably enough time for the average Thai customer to do it 2 or 3 times but alas I was just getting warmed up.

Do not expect excellent or GFE service at these places, they are there for low-income Thai customers and you might luck out and get a girl who is into it if they like you but more likely you will get a basic fuck from a shy girl with stretch marks, who won't kiss and will expect you to finish in five minutes, not to mention wanting extra for a (covered) BJ.

Some of these girls are really quite nice but they are all earning a living on their backs and you can't really expect them to be all excited when your fat white ass drags in. Still, beats the heck out of a handjob for 5-700 baht, imo.

Now concerning Mr. Tick's complaint. I am guessing that these are not what you are looking for sir, as you seem to be very hard to satisfy. However may I point out that there is really no need to do the whole "ritual" when barfining a girl down on Loi Kroh. You can really walk straight up to a girl and smile, say you go with me? Pay bar, and take her home. That's about as painless as getting take-out sushi, and if you're lucky the fish will be fresher.

The girls don't mind they are there to get a customer not a because they have romantic feelings for you that they want reciprocated. The bars don't mind they are there for the same reason—money. BTW the barfine does seem like an exorbitant extra cost and it is, but prostitution, incredibly, is nominally illegal in Thailand, and the bars have to pay the local authorities so that they can stay open and keep providing us with pretty girls to have sex with.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your very informative post. You're a good ole sport.

It`s as I guessed, the good old days of the lady houses, where everyone knew what they were getting for their money, no rip offs, no strings attached and very convenient, have now long gone and I doubt will ever return.

Sometimes you could become good friends with the girls; these places were almost like social clubs that were affordable.

These days it`s all become big business and I suppose that the business owners have now brought these establishments under their controls, a sort of pay our prices, do things our way in the areas that we specify or leave it.

I do become irritated when I read these threads that always lead to the Loi Kroh road and the soapy massages. It is not because I am particularly fussy, only wanted to confirm that a mongers options in Chiang Mai have become very limited, which your post does.

Having lived in Chiang Mai for nearly 30 years, I have witnessed these gradual changes come into operation, so have seen better times.

Can any one suggest a convenient (centrally located) , easy to find pharmacy in Chang Mai where one can purchase Kamagra?

Also I have heard reports that Viagra etc. Are not as easy to buy these days in Thailand. Any truth to this?

AM

[quote=angus magee; 1214103]can any one suggest a convenient (centrally located) , easy to find pharmacy in chang mai where one can purchase kamagra?

also i have heard reports that viagra etc. are not as easy to buy these days in thailand. any truth to this?

am[/quote]go to peera pharmacy, just inside the thapae gate. 4 pack kamagra is 400 baht. 10x 4 pack s 3500 baht as of this afternoon.

cheers

I started out visiting Sayuri Massage. I have been there several times. I was early, so there was only one girl (without a badge) , and the old papasan asked for 2000 Baht. The price is a 1000 so I left a bit pissed off. I took a long walk up the Chiangmai Hill massage – (Chiangmai Hill 2000 Hotel. 18 Huay Kaew Road). Go in from the parking place at the left (est) door and you will enter an almost empty hall / basement. A bit on you right there is a sign with sauna, and a black / silver glass door. It is on the opposite side of the room from the door you are entering from. I think that also is a 'regular' massage to the very left. Since it was still early they only had 2 girls. A was quoted the standard price of 1400 Baht (the cheapest girls). I left and walked up a 100 meters and came to the Phucome Hotel. Here the selection was better. I picked one of the cheap girls (1000 baht) from the fishbowl. She only spook a few words in English and I only speak a few word in Thai, but this wasn't a problem. I actually visited her again 2 days later. You usually get a bit more girlfriend experience the second time. She also looked very happy the second time I came around. Both times I gave a 200 baht tip.

The mamasan and papasan (often there are 2) are very friendly and likes to recommend some of the girls, saying that they give a particularly good service. They seem a little surprised, when you do not follow their advice. At Phucome the standard girls sit in the fishbowl and the more expensive girls are called out to an 'open fishbowl' (if there not already are costumers.) These girls can also see you, so you can see if they if they discretely turn their head away if they are not thrilled about servicing a farang.

Out of curiosity I visited the the Nimmanhaemin houses (last evening).

Nimmanhaemin road is on your left going up Huay Kaew Road, at the city center. It's the same way to Chiang Mai Hill massage. Turn left at 'Nimmanhaemin Soi 13'. Walk down one block to the next small intersection. You will find a pink house that looks like a small eating place with tables outside. A sign in Thai says karaoke. There was no music when I passed by.

You can find a picture and more directions at [url]http://up.picr.de/7753100obw.pdf[/url] Or [url]http://g.co/maps/3bq2j[/url]

I passed the place at 6 o'clock. Not sure what to expect I walked casually by the front door looking in. A girl saw me and shouted loudly: 'You want sex with girl 650 baht'. So the place is definitely not trying to hide their business for foreigners. I think the karaoke place is the only left at this place.

This girl spook English fairly well. She also pointed out that is was for only 30 min. And that she expected a 200 baht tip for a BBBJ. There is only cold water in the shower but if you want a seedy experience go for it. The girl told me that the place is open from 8 am to 12 pm. She started herself at 5 pm. I guess the best chance of getting an English speaking lady is in the evening. The girl was around 25 yo. No stunner but ok looking.

[QUOTE=Old Dane; 1222538]I started out visiting Sayuri Massage. I have been there several times. I was early, so there was only one girl (without a badge) , and the old papasan asked for 2000 Baht. The price is a 1000 so I left a bit pissed off. I took a long walk up the Chiangmai Hill massage – (Chiangmai Hill 2000 Hotel. 18 Huay Kaew Road). Go in from the parking place at the left (est) door and you will enter an almost empty hall / basement. A bit on you right there is a sign with sauna, and a black / silver glass door. It is on the opposite side of the room from the door you are entering from. I think that also is a 'regular' massage to the very left. Since it was still early they only had 2 girls. A was quoted the standard price of 1400 Baht (the cheapest girls). I left and walked up a 100 meters and came to the Phucome Hotel. Here the selection was better. I picked one of the cheap girls (1000 baht) from the fishbowl. She only spook a few words in English and I only speak a few word in Thai, but this wasn't a problem. I actually visited her again 2 days later. You usually get a bit more girlfriend experience the second time. She also looked very happy the second time I came around. Both times I gave a 200 baht tip.

The mamasan and papasan (often there are 2) are very friendly and likes to recommend some of the girls, saying that they give a particularly good service. They seem a little surprised, when you do not follow their advice. At Phucome the standard girls sit in the fishbowl and the more expensive girls are called out to an 'open fishbowl' (if there not already are costumers.) These girls can also see you, so you can see if they if they discretely turn their head away if they are not thrilled about servicing a farang.

Out of curiosity I visited the the Nimmanhaemin houses (last evening).

Nimmanhaemin road is on your left going up Huay Kaew Road, at the city center. It's the same way to Chiang Mai Hill massage. Turn left at 'Nimmanhaemin Soi 13'. Walk down one block to the next small intersection. You will find a pink house that looks like a small eating place with tables outside. A sign in Thai says karaoke. There was no music when I passed by.

You can find a picture and more directions at.

[url]http://up.picr.de/7753100obw.pdf[/url]

Or.

[url]http://g.co/maps/3bq2j[/url]

I passed the place at 6 o'clock. Not sure what to expect I walked casually by the front door looking in. A girl saw me and shouted loudly: 'You want sex with girl 650 baht'. So the place is definitely not trying to hide their business for foreigners. I think the karaoke place is the only left at this place.

This girl spook English fairly well. She also pointed out that is was for only 30 min. And that she expected a 200 baht tip for a BBBJ. There is only cold water in the shower but if you want a seedy experience go for it. The girl told me that the place is open from 8 am to 12 pm. She started herself at 5 pm. I guess the best chance of getting an English speaking lady is in the evening. The girl was around 25 yo. No stunner but ok looking.[/QUOTE]Back in the old days when that complex was known as housewives, one could get a choice on average of about 10 girls at a time and there were always a few lookers amongst them.

Although the place was rather basic and dirty, it was user friendly, we always had a good laugh; everyone was cheerful, the mamasan was never in your face pushing drinks or the girls and the girls never expected customers to pay them drinks or give tips and if we did that was left entirely up to our discretion.

It cost from 200 baht to 400 baht for the girl for a period of however long it took, never felt under any pressure there.

650 baht plus 200 baht tip for 30 minutes sounds extortionate and from experience I've no doubts that once in there with the girl she is going to try and put the pressure on for more money. These days it`s about extracting the most amount of money, for doing as little as possible in the shortest possible time. I describe the experience as being in a taxicab with the meter running.

I wonder what happens after 30 minutes; does someone on a loud speaker shout number 2 your time is up?

For me, this is not what I describe as fun, pleasure or enjoyment but more of doing something out of desperation when there are no other better options left.

This is Chiang Mai.