Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

Surfer,

With the oil spill up there, do you think the action will still be as good? Maybe better with less tourist right? May be a buyers market.

Drangonfly

SS,

Thanks for the warning. 51 is an identifier for a HCMC plate, but hey where did she pick you up from and what hotel? Room number? Thanks again

I only had two nights to be in Saigon and most of the first two days were booked with business. My hotel had been booked for me so I got to the airport gave the driver the name and he took me to a nice place but I quickly realized it was a government hotel and that there would be little if any hope of having any fun there.

With one night left I decided to walk around and ended up spotting a place that looked like it was a massage or spa. I went in and ended up asking to get a massage which started out very strange with this guy showing me the lockers and some type of mineral pool to swim in. After about 15 minutes he brought me a robe and pointed me to a room. After a few minutes a nice looking 30ish lady came in and gave a nice massage. When I asked for more she said no but that she could arrange something and to come back later.

When I return she had another girl with her I judged to be about 25. Nice looking a very nice body but spoke not a word of English. She wanted one million dong for the night. I knew this was way too high but she was just too cute to pass up.

She said we could go to some short time place but we got there and it was full. So we started riding around the city on her moto and I ended up getting a tour of HCM at night. It was fun and was turning into a date so I just went with it. We could barely communicate but eventually she let me know we were waiting for something. We go get something to eat and finally go off to somewhere in the city. I have no idea where I am.

It turned out that what she was waiting for was for her parents to go to sleep so she could sneak me in her room at their house. I was more than a little freaked out by this but just crazy enough to do it. We sneak in and the dog starts barking and something is said and I am rushed in and the door to the room closes. A few minutes later she comes in and wants to get right to it so we do. She is like a tigress and the sex was great.

So now it is around midnight and we are laying on the mattress on the floor and someone else opens the door in the dark and she whispers something in Viet and another girl who turns out to be her sister of about the same age by her size lays down on another matt on the floor and goes to sleep.

In the mean time the tigress wants to wake me up every hour or two and just bang away with her sister right in the same small room and her parents down the hall. That is what we do off and on all night.

The next morning she wakes me up at dawn and leads me out to the alley and motions for me to walk to the end. Already people are up and I am getting some very strange looks. I wait at the end of the alley and the street is already busy and she drives around on her moto and I hop on and it is back to my hotel.

We say our brief goodbye and she drives off. We both had a smile on our face. I got on the plane and flew out that day. Very strange but if I could do it again I certainly would. I love the Vietnamese.

I know I was lucky and things could have been very different but she turned out to be a real sweetheart who was just horny.

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[QUOTE=Bill Bradsky]

When I return she had another girl with her I judged to be about 25. Nice looking a very nice body but spoke not a word of English. She wanted one million dong for the night. I knew this was way too high but she was just too cute to pass up.
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Bloody hell Bill, that would have been one hell of an experiance. Pitty the sister didn't want a bit of the action too. As for price, 1,000,000 is pretty good for all night. In most of the bars in the tourist area's the girls will ask for about $60USD short time, then about $30USD for the hotel, that is already above 1,000,000 by a long shot. The only all night action I've had in Vietnam was in Hanoi and the going rate was $100USD or about 1,500,000.

[QUOTE=Jc373] In most of the bars in the tourist area's the girls will ask for about $60USD short time, then about $30USD for the hotel, that is already above 1,000,000 by a long shot. The only all night action I've had in Vietnam was in Hanoi and the going rate was $100USD or about 1,500,000.[/QUOTE]

Let's keep these prices under control. The going rate for all nighters has risen recently to US$60 or 1,000,000 VD and the hotel should be about US$25. A year ago it was $40 and $20 for the same. Not sure about short timers but I would expect about $40.

Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate - this is Vietnam.

The hotel is only needed if your hotel is not girl friendly which means the international chains and bigger hotels. There is plenty of discussion here about the smaller GF hotels.

Fellow mongers,

I will be in Vietnam during Sept. if anyone would like to meet and share an adventure, pm me please. Looking forward to sampling some ripe fruit this trip.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Let's keep these prices under control. The going rate for all nighters has risen recently to US$60 or 1,000,000 VD and the hotel should be about US$25. A year ago it was $40 and $20 for the same. Not sure about short timers but I would expect about $40.

Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate - this is Vietnam.

The hotel is only needed if your hotel is not girl friendly which means the international chains and bigger hotels. There is plenty of discussion here about the smaller GF hotels.[/QUOTE]

I think you may have miss read what I said. I said that the girls ASK for about $60 ST in the more touristy bars, by that I mean the ones on Hai Ba Trung near the Caravelle, like Na Na, 49 etc. Yes you would then negotiate from there, but the girls in these touristy bars are very hard nosed negotiators and play every trick in the book to extract the max. The best I've ever got there is $40 short time, the negotiation skills not being helped by being very pissed (drunk for our American friends). I usually stay in one of the larger hotels which is is not girl friendly so have to go to one of the short stay hotels with their added cost. Bit rough when that increases the base cost by 50%.

I notice one of your previous posts that states this very fact in these bars, but the best you got was $50. The first time I ever went to HCMC and to one of these bars was maybe about this time last year, so never got to experance the $20 root that you said it once was.

Based on that 1,000,000 for what the poster got is very reasonable indeed. I would love an experiance like that one and would pay that for LT no problems and without a short time hotel fee too. Wonder what the old mum would have said if she saw the action going on under her roof!!! lol.

As for the prices you are paying no doubt that is what you get it for, but judging by your reports you live in the area and know the places to go where you get a product suited more to local clients, not the short time visitors who would frequent Hai Ba Trung and similar 'pickup joints'. For many who only visit the place the only real easy access would be the bars that I mentioned in the tourist area's, in which case their higher than most price will go with it.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Let's keep these prices under control.

Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate - this is Vietnam.

This is funny Sudsoz, Keep prices under control!! Have you noticed that the inflation rate in VN is very high, everything is going up, not just the hobby.

Look there is a basic concept taught in the VN Communist school system. it sounds like this "get what you can and as much as you can and get it now" You are right on with the Negotiate plan, but the basic element of greed is strong. Also many of the girls have so called friends or girls they have met that go to Singapore, KL, and Thailand many times a year for short term work and they know the rates in other places. Farm girl or not they all know someone in HCMC or Hanoi and they all talk and share info.

So sorry but I find your idea to keep prices under control very funny. Good though to tell guys to not over pay, but really, there is only enough blood to run one head at a time, and they have an expense account they are really screwing up the cost for the average guy.

Just a hint, you can still do go in the neighborhoods, but you must leave that comfortable D1 life.

Cheers,

I almost got robbed of a million dong (about $65 US) last night. A young, attractive girl approached me on a motorbike in District 1 on a motorcycle. She offered a massage and full service for $10. I got on and she took me to a hotel in District 5. When we got in the room she said that I should take a shower. She took me into the shower. Before doing so I locked the door just in case she had any friends who might try to sneak in the room. When we got out of the shower she asked for the money. I gave her 150K. She told me to lie down on the bed and started to massage me. She opened the door and let two of her friends in who also began to massage me. Looking back, I realize that this was so that I could be easily distracted while one of the girls stole my wallet. One of the girls got up and said that she needed to use the bathroom. Being a little bit suspicious, I checked to make sure my wallet was still there. It was gone. So I went into the bathroom and caught the girl with a big wad of cash that she had just taken out of my wallet. When she saw me she handed over the cash and the wallet. I decided it was time to leave. The girls said that I needed to pay $10 for the hotel room. I told them that since they had just tried to rob me I was not going to pay anything for the room. I exited the hotel. As soon as I exited the hotel a man on a motorbike who had been waiting outside of the hotel offered me a ride. I told him no. He began to get very persistent and said that he would take me home for free. I sensed another scam and said no and kept walking.

I realize that I almost got robbed because of my own stupidity. $10 is probably too cheap for full service with a young, attractive girl and the offer should have made me suspicious. She took me to a hotel in another district when there are plenty of hotels in district 1. I think the hotel was part of the scam which is why they didn't ask me to pay for the hotel room before using it. The plan was probably to get me into the room, pickpocket me, and then give the hotel a percentage of the loot. When that didn't work out they decided to ask me to pay for the hotel room as I was leaving. The funny thing is that if they had been honest with me they would have been able to get a lot more money from me. I would have been willing to accept an offer of $10 for the hotel room and $30 for the girl. They only got about $10 from me because they were so determined to rob me. As I was walking away from the hotel two of the girls got on a motorbike and headed towards District 1, probably looking for another sucker. I think the name of the hotel (so it can be avoided) was Thanh Dan and the address was C002 Le Hong Phong, F2, District 5.

[QUOTE=Jc373]

As for the prices you are paying no doubt that is what you get it for, but judging by your reports you live in the area and know the places to go where you get a product suited more to local clients, not the short time visitors who would frequent Hai Ba Trung and similar 'pickup joints'. For many who only visit the place the only real easy access would be the bars that I mentioned in the tourist area's, in which case their higher than most price will go with it.[/QUOTE]

I have been chasing business in Vietnam for about 4 years now with infrequent visits but I have listened to the advice of others who have spent more time there.

One of my issues is that I am not getting any younger and I prefer LT arrangements rather than a quicky without the morning glory.

A few weeks ago some of the bars were trying to impose a drinks minimum as an effective bar fee as well as the money for the girl. They backed off when I refused and made to leave.

Lesson #1 in almost anything...

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably isn't.

We all learn by mistakes and sometimes we just don't listen to our gut feel. I guess there is only enough blood to flow to ONE head. :) You were very lucky. Going with a stranger to a strange hotel is definitely not clever. There is an exception, though. If you stay in a 5 star hotel and go out with a cab driver then the cab driver can take you to almost anywhere. This is because the driver can get punished for cheating the hotel's customers.

I kept warning people to be careful but well ...

Hi My Names Raptorman And I Will Be In Vietnam For Three Months This Time,
Last Time I Stayed With The Family This Time I Want To Sneak Out I'll be Staying in the Thu Duc area and Would Most Greatful if Someone could show me around The Bargirl districts Of HCM I saw Some Fine Asian Ladys But Iam only 28 and it was My first Time To SEA better yet even my first time out of the United States So If Someone Be Willing could Show Me How To Score While Iam In HCM Then I will Buy You A Beer And A Lady Fair Trade Right?

He He He ....Really Though I Need To Learn The Game Last Time I Didnt Know Where To Go Or Who To Talk To Or How To Ask And I was Walking Around With A Hard Dick The Whole Time I Was There. Iam Leaving Very Soon My Visa Has Already Been Applied For And My Ticket Booked For Sept 6th However When My Visa Arrives I Will Try To Book A Earlier Ticket. I Want To Do What verybody Says You Get To do In SEA Thanks Guys,

Raptorman

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Vietnam is such a great place. I only have information about one area of the Mekong Delta and for Ho Chi Minh City, but my experiences here over the last eight months has been the best of my 55 years. Ah, to be young again. Here I am surrounded by thousands of girls who think I am the proverbial cat’s meow and I really can’t fornicate the night away as when younger. Oh well, no complaints because I have met some wonderful young and hot ladies who just love western men, romance and money, not necessarily in that order.

While I certainly have taken advantage of the professional girls, I have also had considerable success using the match-making web sites. In particular, Asia Friend Finder, Asianeuro and Vietnamcupid. I think I have met lovelies from each one of these sites who don’t mind getting together for sex.

Last night I had my first encounter with a young woman (early 30’s) who was an extremely hot fuck.

She came to my house in District 1 about 7:30 and we got right to it. We started with a combined shower and she scrubbed my dick and balls and also cleaned my asshole very thoroughly, while I admired her firm boobs and nice round butt while reciprocating her cleaning style.

We started off with my kissing her body up and down on the bed and I worked my way down to her shaved pussy (shit, I like natural). She had her first orgasm as I explored her little pussy with my tongue and found her clit to be very, very sensitive. I could see she was very hungry to get my dick in her mouth so she climbed on top and I licked her ass and pussy while she throated my cock, massaged my balls and tweaked my bung hole. Hmmm…had to stop her once to keep from ending it too soon as she was very talented and very horny.

I got her on her hands and knees in front of me and continued working on her pussy and ass with my finger fucking her pussy while I explored the darker entrance with my tongue. Very clean and very erotic moment there, lads.

We fucked in several positions after that and I asked her to let me cum in her mouth but she said no, had a sore throat or something and didn’t want it, next time ok. I doubt it. I did finish with a nice stream on her belly and tits and she was thrilled to see it erupt onto her. I was a little thrilled myself.

Total expenses for this romp? One glass of warm milk that I warmed up for her in the microwave afterwards. Also, she will come over any time I want to fuck her again and is just a phone call away. That’s great although there are other ladies also waiting for the call, so there may be a few ladies visiting me before she comes (cums) back again.

Next adventure is a 25-year old secretary I met through a website and who is just so sexy and cool on the phone. We have dinner planned for Sunday night and I certainly am hoping for desert to be taken in my bedroom.

Perhaps a word of advice, although I think most guys with a better developed head on their shoulders than in their crotch realize this already. The girls here really like gentlemanly behavior and to be generous and fun, not crude or smelly and generally lacking in certain sensitivities. Maybe other ways work effectively, but my model for mongering here in Vietnam has been very successful for me.

Good hunting, mates!

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I would be happy to help you out...I've been in HCMC for about 3 months and know the scene pretty well. I am staying in the Cho Ben Thanh area so pretty close to everything. Feel free to PM me.

Cali

Will be in HCMC for a couple of days. Staying at one of the big hotels, maybe the Hyatt. I read on the US State Dept website that locals are not allowed in hotel rooms of guests.

Curious if you could use an escort service and get someone to come to a western hotel?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Austinhotel

[QUOTE=Austin Hotel]Will be in HCMC for a couple of days. Staying at one of the big hotels, maybe the Hyatt. I read on the US State Dept website that locals are not allowed in hotel rooms of guests.

Curious if you could use an escort service and get someone to come to a western hotel?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Austinhotel[/QUOTE]

If you read the forum you will find that in Hanoi and HCMC the big hotels all have various forms of prohibition on bringing vistors. The Renaissance was reported to be charging for an extra room.

In most of the small local hotels (say under $30 per night) there is no problem - they will hold the girls ID and make sure everything is OK when she goes.

You can also use these small hotels on a short time basis or there are a number of 'love hotels' available sort time.

I don't like the temporary nature of the love hotels and stay in the small local places. The service is actually very good and very friendly. If I have meeting I just use the lobby of one of the big ones.

Apart from someone spruiking on this forum a few months back I have never heard of an escort service in VN.

If you want to stay within the 5* confines then the bar on top of the Caravelle may serve your needs. But buyer beware.

was in hcm from 21st to 23rd. A mixed mongering adventure. Stayed in duxton. Did Not try Xanadu (the health club in the hotel) as do not find it worthwhile when you can get better quality outside at a cheaper rate.

Looking around for hot toc, but couldn't find any. If anyone know, pls help.

Went on massage spree. Had 4 massage sessions in 2 days.

1. Royal kimdo hotel:

The facility ok. Had girl number 4. Face and body ok. Like to smile. English limited. Slow HJ, no rush. But also no roaming. Damage for massage is usd7.

2. Ho phan - facility sucks. Water smelly. Girl limited choices. Given girl named thuy, number 37, a bit old, 28yrs old. Plump. Service very good, gfe. Superb massage. Damage: massage usd7

3. Bong sen hotel at dongkhoi. Facility better than the above 2. Given girl number 11. Forgot name liao. Massage very good. HJ also good. Girl not bad looking. But still left with bitter taste. I took the package of vnd139k, which also include foot massage. In the end I didn't get the foot massage as I was told to wait 1. 5 hour.

4. Kimdo foot massage at mac thi buoi. Good foot and neck massage. Usd7.

Also to the bars in mtb, hbt area. One thing for sure, biz very bad, me and my friend were the only customers.

Went to apocalypes at 10, too early, only guys there. Left. Back to hotel sleep.

Overall a good trip. The only setback is could not try out the hot toc. Hopefull some brothers can help out. Thanks.

A few weeks back I had a chance to stay in HCMC, but I found the p4p scene at HBT not to be to my tastes. So one morning, I took the suggestion of some of the posters here and booked a hydrofoil ferry to Vung Tau. It's about a 10 minute walk from the HBT bars. Cost is still 120,000 VND for a one way 1.5 hour trip. After disembarking you get on a bus and travel to a drop off point/ticket office. At the drop off point there were plenty of cabbies. Again, relying on some previous posts, I asked to go to the Palace hotel. Cost per evening was $40 USD for walk in reservations.

The cabbie that had driven me to the hotel was pretty helpful and offered to show me around. I know viet and he seemed friendly enough so I took him up on the offer. I asked him if he knew of a good massage place. He did and off we went. Not sure of the name but it is in the direction of the statue of christ by the shoreline. We had to drive up a steep inclined driveway to get to it.

In total, it came out to about $35 USD for a 1.5 hour session. I would recommend skipping the steamroom session to give you more time to play. The girl and the massage were both average. The service afterwards was unremarkable and easily forgetable. Perhaps I was just unlucky that time.

After I was done, I called the cabbie and we did the typical tourist drive around the area. This part I'll skip.

Later in the evening, my cabbie offered to help me find a lady for the night so we went to a hostess bar not far from the Red Dragon. Again, sorry I don't have the name. It a little hole in the wall place with a parking lot next to it on the left side. They had about 9-10 girls and although the selection wasn't that great, I decided to go with most attractive (to me) of the bunch.

I offered 800,000 for a LT. She accepted and commented that it was the average price. Not sure if I overpaid, but it also included the cost of her ladydrink and my drinks as well.

Going back to the hotel, my cabbie said that he wasn't sure if the Palace was girl friendly or not and made some suggestions on how to get the two of us in. Im still not sure if the Palace is girlfriendly or not, but this is how I played it:

I went in alone and picked up my key. I then walked to the elevator and went up to my room for a minute or so. Then I came back down and made myself look busy with my mobile phone. I walked past the reception desk and outside to my lady for the evening. We chatted a moment, and then we both walked in and headed straight to the elevator and up. This way I was able to avoid having to go to the reception desk to ask for my key and get unwelcome questions. The entry foyer to the Palace is a huge room so pulling this off wasn't too risky. It was about midnight, but there wasn't anyone minding the door and it is a straight walk to the elevators.

The session turned out to be quite enjoyable. We showered together and moved on to the bed to continue our play. My girl was quite attentive and she stayed around til about 8:30 AM.

I had to get back to HCMC that day, so I went back to the dropoff point and took the ferry back.

All in all, I would say Vung Tau is a nice place and worth a look if you want a slower paced setting. The people don't seem to hassle you as much and there's definitely action to be had here.

[QUOTE=Casey2005]I know what you mean. I offered 150,000 dong for a HJ to the girl who was giving me a massage at Vien Dong Hotel. She should have said "thankyou" for the opportunity to make in a few minutes what is double or triple the money that most people earn for working all day in Saigon. Instead she complained that it was "so little". In Vietnam the focus is on getting as much money from the customer as possible. [/QUOTE]I am puzzled by the "tip" in Vietnam as well. A university graduate who works for VN government may earn less than 200 USD per month.

A labor works in a foreign-invested company may earn less than 100 USD per month.

If a masseur only has one massage per day, and receive 100,000 VND per massage, that mean she can earn 3,000,000 VND or equivalent to a university graduate (with the exchange rate of 16,000VND = 1USD).

Of course, a masseur may have more than one session per day. And I don't know what is masseurs' problem when you tip them 100,000 VND and they don't appreciate it.

"Of course, a masseur may have more than one session per day. And I don't know what is masseurs' problem when you tip them 100,000 VND and they don't appreciate it."


Because people (especially VK and Westerners) have spoiled them, period! Now they know 100,000 is only $6 in US and massage in US is at least $60/hr. They are also good actresses and trying to get more money from you. Another factor is supply and demand. District 1 is expensive so expect to pay more. At Caravelle the pimps/girls never yield to lower price even I speak Vietnamese and bargain hard! They know they can still have other suckers (who only listen to their little brothers) to agree to their outrageous fee.
If you are in Hue you will be shocked to know that a 5-hour cyclo cruise around the city only costs you $4 while you have to pay 4X to 5X of such amount if you hire a driver near a big hotel. Hint: just walk out and away from the hotel you will find many cyclo drivers not associated with the hotel and you can have a good deal. So the same principle applies here. Stay away from the massage in the hotel and find cheaper places in the city.

I was in HCMC for the first time in June. Stayed for 2 weeks. As a "newbie" to SEA, I was taken to a club in town called GOSSIP. You may want to try it out. Very nice place and outstanding treatment by staff. Any taxi driver will know where it is. The place is always loaded with "pros" and "non-pros". They are easy to spot, just look for any table with several females not accompanied by males. They will definitely be making eye contact with you since you will most likely be the only non-Asian customer. Negotiate as best you can. They always start out at $80.00US for ST and $100.00US for all night. There are definitely 9's and 10's but I still find that TOO PRICEY! I did meet one gorgious 22 yoa that had just started "working" and negotiated 4 days/3 nights (24/7) for $300.00US. Definite bargain in my opinion. She wasn't very experienced and had to be taught a few things but was eager to always please. That's what I like! Bonus - she was my personal tour guide for 4 days. Every time we stopped back by the hotel she would shower and then ask "Make Lub?" Of course you know my answer.

Hope this helps a little and good luck.

[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]So these ho's just know who we are and will (or will not) adjust the price accordingly. There are many ways to get 3 X better good looking girls than the girls in Sheraton with a lot less money. However, they are a little complex and require you to speak and know Viet a little more; you must belong to a circle of Viet sex-loving friends, as an example.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem with the Vietnamese language. This December 2006 will be my 4th visit. The only problem I have in Vietnam was I have not f... a stunner that look like a model (>5'7). Do you have or have known any connection to the escort service that provides a lineup of amateur models? I really need and want to fuck a V model soon.

My 1st time there about 1 year ago- got a hotel room at Vien Dong...overpriced and strict enforcement of guests. Hung out with the backpackers even though I'm not one and considerably older- hung out at Alley Boo and met a bar tender. Saw she was looking at me alot.

Next night went back and said hi to the same bar tender and she introduced me to her hot friend who knows no English. Bought her a drink and stayed nice to both, gave them my phone number.

Met them next morning and went bowling at Diamond Plaza and met with the hotties "Vietnam boyfrend" and the bar tender as my "date". After that the guy had to go back to his nearby city so I'm walking with both girls and the hottie says she is tired. I say come to my hotel room and rest. So both do.

I snuck them past security as there was a commotion in the lobby as a bus full of tourist came in. They went into the room and both immediatly jump into bed. They tell me to take a shower and having read previous posts, I knew I better take all my valuables with me. I told them they go 1st and they both showered together. I took that time to hide some bigger stuff and put the smaller stuff in my pants pockets to take in the shower.

They came out and I went in and stupid me, forgot my brand new mobile phone so the shower was in record time of about 1 minute and I raced out to find one making long distance calls to her parents. Thus I had no problem with that.

We all 3 hung out in bed and stupid me, respecting the "boyfriend" , did not make any moves that were probably expected. So 30 min. later the hottie had to leave and I gave her 100,000 for a taxi. The bar tender was also motioning to go and I grabbed her and said your staying. I started taking off her clothes and she abliged. She got on top and wanted to go without the rain coat, I stopped that and put it on and then went to town. She got the "A" for effort but her expression was that of deer in head lights. No BJ or forplay, just my satisfaction. Then we cleaned up and she left as I gave her 50,000 for taxi as she lived near.

The next day I asked her about how many guy's she had before and she had 1 other and broke up soon after. I apologized and she said no problem. Then I saw she quickly got too sticky- I warned her not to say anything about a relationship and within 60 minutes she did, I dumped her immediatly saying I have business. When I said bye, she looked back and knew she screwed up.

I got a freeby and happy for that clean get away. I did not practice what I preach as I am a firm believer of paying even when it is given for free.

Satellite

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I met some Vietnam guys at Diamond playing pool and they took me around town that night (a little risky since there was 4 of them and just me...reading the previous warnings). Ended up at Rain Forest disco (some hot girls working there and most have "after work service"). I saw a hot girl named Than. She is taller at 170 cm and with some meat on them bones unlike most. But she has a face and body that made me realize USA was not fighting for so called "freedom", they were fighting for the girls like her.

I went there every night for 4 nights at $5/ beer and just to say hi and dance a little with her as her beauty drove me crazy. On my 4th night I was told by another girl to offer her some money and she will go out with me so I did and she rejected me to my surprise- kind of made me mad. But she asked me if I want to go to another nearby town with her the next day (I told my company I needed to stay another 3 days).

The next day we took a bus and to a small town and was forced by the hotel to get 2 hotel rooms (at $30 each which was a rip off). This girl has been teasing me for the last 4 days so I had to really pour the charm to get some that night. After bumming around and cheap local eats, we went back to the hotel and we wrestled around on the bed. My knee "accidently" rubbed her in the groin area, there was some very small hip movements going so I knew it was over. A little delicate breast action and kissing and the clothes were off.

With the 4 days of teasing, I knew I made a mess on her as the lights were off but the TV was going. I did not realize she had a little of the period thing going. The next morning I thought I killed her in my sleep. We bugged out and I gladly left 50,000 Dong next to the stains to make a easy break for it.

Starting to like HCMC

[QUOTE=Cho Matxa]I don't have a problem with the Vietnamese language. This December 2006 will be my 4th visit. The only problem I have in Vietnam was I have not f... a stunner that look like a model (>5'7). Do you have or have known any connection to the escort service that provides a lineup of amateur models? I really need and want to fuck a V model soon.[/QUOTE]

There used to be some taller model class ladies at the Penthouse Bar at the top of the office tower next to the Riverside. Not sure if it is still there.

MrJayBee,

Is there a possibility to meet this great girl from District 1. I arrive Wdnesday morning in Saigon. Stay at Sofitel. Thanks for your assistance.

Mike69

Dear JayBee,

In my previous note I mentioned that I will arrive on Wed this week (Sep.6) in Saigon. Stay at Sofitel.

Your description about the girl you described as "I have also met two ladies here for GF type sex. The first one, I have to admit I fell for her. She was the best fuck of my 55 years of living. I have read about hot women and I finally scored one. She wanted me to do everything and my friends, I tried. We kept it going for a long time and it is still burning a hole in my brain to think about that night." would interest me naturally. Is there a possibility that yôu could introduce me to her?

Thanks,

Mike69

My company is putting me up at the Best Western Chancery Hotel (196 Nguyen Thi Khai St., Distric 3). Anyone know if there is any action in the area or do I have to wander?

Thx Fred

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]My company is putting me up at the Best Western Chancery Hotel (196 Nguyen Thi Khai St., Distric 3). Anyone know if there is any action in the area or do I have to wander?

Thx Fred[/QUOTE]

The BW Chancery is a very long hike from the action areas of District 1 and being a western chain will almost certainly mean no take home action. If you RTFF using the search function you will find a lot of references to hotels near the action. With a bit of diligence you can find a alternate hotel that suits you better and earns you some brownie points because it is cheaper.

[QUOTE=Cho Matxa]I don't have a problem with the Vietnamese language. This December 2006 will be my 4th visit. The only problem I have in Vietnam was I have not f... a stunner that look like a model (>5'7). Do you have or have known any connection to the escort service that provides a lineup of amateur models? I really need and want to fuck a V model soon.[/QUOTE]

The other place I forgot for high class model types is the 'disco' at the New World Hotel. They look good but they are also most likely high priced prima donnas.

Hi All,

(May be Mr SING VIET know about this Massage Rona )

Anyone know about Massage Rona on Huynh Thuc Khang street, Dictric 1, Ho Chi Minh City in vietnamese called Massage Hai Van ?

I want to know : what is the price? How for the tip HJ , BJ ? do the girls make FJ inside, or I ask the girl go out? And how much is it?

Please give me yours experienced about Massage Rona. Is it the same Ky Dong Massage at Dictric 3.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Teoti]Hi All,

(May be Mr SING VIET know about this Massage Rona )

Anyone know about Massage Rona on Huynh Thuc Khang street, Dictric 1, Ho Chi Minh City in vietnamese called Massage Hai Van ?

I want to know : what is the price? How for the tip HJ , BJ ? do the girls make FJ inside, or I ask the girl go out? And how much is it?

Please give me yours experienced about Massage Rona. Is it the same Ky Dong Massage at Dictric 3.

Thank you[/QUOTE]

Huynh Thuc Khang is pretty close to the centre of D1 and I would be interested to hear what it is like. You might have to take one for the team.

If you look back in July there was a discussion about the form in massage places in HCMC.

Gents,

I find HCMC frustrating. I have been to the bars on HBT but found none of the girls appealing (mostly they're just too small). I've been approached by girls on motos but won't go with them, as I feel they are probably going to scam me or set me up.

I've been to one of the BBS near that hotel down Tran Hung Dao in Dist. 5 (forget the name, someone mentioned it a few months ago) . Got a massage, then was offered a BJ, but the room was not private and after bj for a few minutes, (she was constantly checking the WINDOW in the door to make sure nobody was looking) she said she couldn't finish, as they had more customers who were going to come into the room.

Went to a few other barbershops in that same area and they said that a massage would be $10 US. Most other places charge just 50,000 dong ($3 US). I knew that that didn't include the tip, and figured they were just overcharging me because I'm a foreigner, so I didn't try them out.

I went to TMK zoo area near Mitsubishi dealer but didn't see any girls. Maybe I didn't go late enough (8-9 PM or so), but I don't like to go out late at night, prefer to do things earlier. Went to the bus stop across from the Sofitel several times (also recommended by a poster), and have never seen any girls there.

I've been to a few places in the Pham Ngu Lao area and others that give massages, but in every case, it's the same problem. They all have WINDOWS in the doors and you cannot choose your masseuse. Not being able to choose really ruins it for me. I need to pick a girl I like, and I'm rather picky, so 9 times out of 10 I will be disappointed with the assigned masseuse. So I just don't go there. I also regularly look in the various bars in Pham Ngu Lao area, but have never seen any really cute girls who I felt like pursuing.

I've been to Apocalypse Now and there don't seem to be working girls there.

I've been solicited by some girls at the park near the Caravelle, but never saw anyone I liked.

I've had endless motos and cyclos tell me they could get me a girl but I don't trust them. I figure they'll get me a girl and then call the cops so they can get a cut of the resultant bribe.

Just an hour ago I was propositioned by two girls near Pham Ngu Lao, but they were unattractive. Actually, the best looking girls seem to be in the BBS.

I'd love to find some on-premises brothel or something, to avoid dealing with the hotel hassle. Or a real freelancer bar! Do these exist?

What about karaoke? Is that a way to meet some really pretty girls who might be available for more when they're not working? I wonder, can you CHOOSE the girl when you go to a karaoke place, or are you assigned one like in the massage parlors?

Has anyone been in those big karaoke palaces I see on Cao Thang in Dist. 3? From the outside, they almost remind me of Bangkok MPs (wishful thinking!) Wonder what goes on inside. I noticed that some of them have signs that say "Massage."

Are discos worth hanging out in? I went to that new one on Cong Quyen recently, just asked about prices. They said it was $5 for a beer. Is that the usual price in discos here? I could not figure out if they also had a cover charge.

Is there a disco with freelancers here, like New Century in Ha Noi?

A poster recently said go to the popular coffee shops in the afternoon. Hmm. Do you mean places like that chain of cafes, Trung Nguyen? What are the popular coffee shops?

On the other hand, the regular girls on the street are often incredibly appealing, which is why I'm looking for a regular girlfriend. But that's not so easy either. It's very hard to find someone who is tall for a Viet (5 feet one inch just won't do, 5'3" is my minimum requirement), pretty, age appropriate and can speak some English!

So...if anyone could steer me in the right direction I'd be grateful and happily buy you a beer (something I don't do very often. I actually don't like to spend hours hanging out in bars and discos, which may be part of my problem, but will do so if I can just determine which ones to go to.)

VN is a difficult transition from Thailand if you are used to easy availability of chicks.

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Gumbyy,

You are encountering problems many of us faced on the initial visits to Vietnam. However, Vietnam is one of very few countries where time and patience really do pay off. Finding a steady "girlfriend" type will save you lots of money and frustration in the long run. However, there are quite a bit of establishments for those whose time is a constraint but be forwarned that you will not get the same "bang for your buck" as Thailand. Most of the cute "regular girls" you find on the street in HCMC are either dating someone or the mistress of someone. More likely the latter than former. The best way to monger there is find a local who you trust (easier said than done) that knows the scene. Mongering on your own without knowledge of the language will just bring about more frustration. Karaoke bars, discos, massage parlors, bars, etc. all will cost money. The key to these places is tip and treat the "mamma son" well. That and always say no when the girl is not to your taste. It may seem harsh sometime but you will never know what is behind door number two if you don't inquire. Motorbike girls are good quickie but you must always pick the hotel (and don't pick from the list the girl recommends) and pay at the end. Watch the wallet of course.

Gumbyy,

I can't help with p4p problems, but theres a website that I came across one day. Vietsingle . com could be a good place to try and find a girlfriend. It's a personals website with lots of profiles of Viet girls with photos. I been wanting to travel to Viet nam and teach english for a while now just so I can start meeting these beauties.
In a country like Vietnam for a women to not be married by 30 is not good for her prospects and also many of the young girls (20's) want an older man and all the benefits that come with it. Any way, I hope this helps and keep us posted on any success!

I do not think I have ever seen any really tall girls in HCMC although I know one or two in Hanoi. It may be that you are looking for something that does not exist or is very rare.

As for the massage places I have found that most of the staff will meet you outside so if you do get one you like a deal can be done. The lack of choice is hard to deal with I agree.

HCMC is not a hotbed of commercial sex like the Suk area in BKK and the People's Committee try their best to keep it that way.

One of the upsides of this is that the people are friendly and you are not hassled by touts at every laneway and corner.

But you need patience and a little local guidance can be helpful.


[QUOTE=Gumbyy]Gents,

I find HCMC frustrating. I have been to the bars on HBT but found none of the girls appealing (mostly they're just too small). I've been approached by girls on motos but won't go with them, as I feel they are probably going to scam me or set me up.

I've been to one of the BBS near that hotel down Tran Hung Dao in Dist. 5 (forget the name, someone mentioned it a few months ago) . Got a massage, then was offered a BJ, but the room was not private and after bj for a few minutes, (she was constantly checking the WINDOW in the door to make sure nobody was looking) she said she couldn't finish, as they had more customers who were going to come into the room.

Went to a few other barbershops in that same area and they said that a massage would be $10 US. Most other places charge just 50,000 dong ($3 US). I knew that that didn't include the tip, and figured they were just overcharging me because I'm a foreigner, so I didn't try them out.

I went to TMK zoo area near Mitsubishi dealer but didn't see any girls. Maybe I didn't go late enough (8-9 PM or so), but I don't like to go out late at night, prefer to do things earlier. Went to the bus stop across from the Sofitel several times (also recommended by a poster), and have never seen any girls there.

I've been to a few places in the Pham Ngu Lao area and others that give massages, but in every case, it's the same problem. They all have WINDOWS in the doors and you cannot choose your masseuse. Not being able to choose really ruins it for me. I need to pick a girl I like, and I'm rather picky, so 9 times out of 10 I will be disappointed with the assigned masseuse. So I just don't go there. I also regularly look in the various bars in Pham Ngu Lao area, but have never seen any really cute girls who I felt like pursuing.

I've been to Apocalypse Now and there don't seem to be working girls there.

I've been solicited by some girls at the park near the Caravelle, but never saw anyone I liked.

I've had endless motos and cyclos tell me they could get me a girl but I don't trust them. I figure they'll get me a girl and then call the cops so they can get a cut of the resultant bribe.

Just an hour ago I was propositioned by two girls near Pham Ngu Lao, but they were unattractive. Actually, the best looking girls seem to be in the BBS.

I'd love to find some on-premises brothel or something, to avoid dealing with the hotel hassle. Or a real freelancer bar! Do these exist?

What about karaoke? Is that a way to meet some really pretty girls who might be available for more when they're not working? I wonder, can you CHOOSE the girl when you go to a karaoke place, or are you assigned one like in the massage parlors?

Has anyone been in those big karaoke palaces I see on Cao Thang in Dist. 3? From the outside, they almost remind me of Bangkok MPs (wishful thinking!) Wonder what goes on inside. I noticed that some of them have signs that say "Massage."

Are discos worth hanging out in? I went to that new one on Cong Quyen recently, just asked about prices. They said it was $5 for a beer. Is that the usual price in discos here? I could not figure out if they also had a cover charge.

Is there a disco with freelancers here, like New Century in Ha Noi?

A poster recently said go to the popular coffee shops in the afternoon. Hmm. Do you mean places like that chain of cafes, Trung Nguyen? What are the popular coffee shops?

On the other hand, the regular girls on the street are often incredibly appealing, which is why I'm looking for a regular girlfriend. But that's not so easy either. It's very hard to find someone who is tall for a Viet (5 feet one inch just won't do, 5'3" is my minimum requirement), pretty, age appropriate and can speak some English!

So...if anyone could steer me in the right direction I'd be grateful and happily buy you a beer (something I don't do very often. I actually don't like to spend hours hanging out in bars and discos, which may be part of my problem, but will do so if I can just determine which ones to go to.)

VN is a difficult transition from Thailand if you are used to easy availability of chicks.

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I want to take issue with the Editors suggestion that the report by Gumbyy should be added to the Reports of Distinction.

My understanding of the R of D purpose is to provide quicker access to reports that provide valuable information that can be accessed without wading through the 'clutter' of the main thread.

Gumbyy's report is well written and it identifies a numbers of issues regarding HCMC but does not provide any answers, solutions or other positive information. It is a plea for help.

If responses come through that provide clear and useful solution to Gumbyy's issues then they are the reports that should go to R of D.

Incidentally a number of the links in the VN R of D thread are merely pointing to the head of the main thread.

[QUOTE=Gumbyy]Gents,

I find HCMC frustrating.

[...]

VN is a difficult transition from Thailand if you are used to easy availability of chicks.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 110% even though I speak Vietnamese very well. It is the gray area that is so frustrated. I don't know what I will get at the end of the day, in term of girls.

Most girls at the disco or the massage parlor would go out with you for money. They give you the number. But they also give their number to other customers. That means you are not the only person who call the girl late at night. And of course, you may also have more than just a number.

Going to Vietnam is like shopping at the flea market or garage sales. It has the "lucky" element that either frustrates or interests the buyers. If you like to shop at the mall, Vietnam is not your place.

Hi All anyone want to meet up? I am in HCMC now, btw, what does 'bbs' mean? Saw it mentioned in several posts down. I agree about the massage places, I havent found one I liked so far.

Thanks for the replies. First of all, BBS means barber shop.

I have met 4 girls so far through Vietsingle, and had messages from many more that didn't turn into meetings. Often they write to you but then their lack of English frustrates them and they don't follow through.

In every case, the girl you meet ends up looking much worse than her picture. I think most of the pictures on Vietsingle are heavily retouched and shot at angles designed to minimize bad features. The first one I met had bad acne that had been photoshopped out of her picture. Another that I met last week, I was very excited about, from her picture. She looked like the kind of youthful white-skinned, ample busted goddess I really go for. But when we met, her skin was about 10 shades darker than in her picture and leathery, she had wrinkles around her eyes, her nose was broader than in the picture, and I was really disappointed. (Somehow she got the impression that I liked her and has been pestering me with SMS messages ever since). She also wrote that she was 36 in her profile but, in person, admitted that she was 42. (I can't condemn her for that, because I'm also lying about my age, but, at least, I look young enough that my lie is credible).

One girl I met through Vietsingle did prove to be attractive, though not as attractive as her picture. After we met, she said she wanted to go out with me the next day, and to meet her at 20:00. Well I was there, and she didn't show up. Then the following day she SMSs me like nothing had happened, and asks "what are you doing?" I said why did you stand me up and she said "Don't angry me. I am sick." Well, I don't suppose I'll ever really understand what that was all about. I would continue to pursue her except that I think she's really not the right type for me. She's 5'3", my minimum height for a girl, but too slight, weighing only 105 pounds. That usually means they have narrow hips, and it will be difficult for them to accommodate a big guy without pain. So now I realize that in addition to a girl being minimum 5'3" she has to have a minimum weight at least 115 or 120 pounds.

As for really tall girls, they don't have to be really tall, just not really short. I can live with 5'3". Even better is 5'5". There are some girls of that height on Vietsingle, but I've not been able to connect with one yet. (incidentally, a major reason I decided to locate in HCMC is because 90% of the girls on Vietsingle seem to be from there. Odd, I don't know why there is not more equal representation of the other provinces.)

I'm actually meeting a tall girl tomorrow who I met on Vietsingle. But it's just a friendly thing, as she's too old. I mean, she's 46 but fairly attractive (at least, in her PICTURE). This is another issue. I could do this girl while I'm looking for a younger one, but I'm reluctant to start an affair with someone who I know in advance is not someone I would want to get permanent with (and, yes, I wouldn't mind getting permanent with the right girl). I have a feeling it's hard to break up with Viet girls, and that casual sex is not something they're into. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I was walking one day at the corner of HBT and TMK and saw an interesting scene. There's a building there (the northeast side of the intersection, I think) and I saw 4 or 5 girls running out, scantily clad, with 4 or 5 guys. This was at about 5 PM. one girl practically had her blouse off. They ran from the building and then went into an entryway that might have been part of the same building, where there was a stairway. They all ran up the stairway. I'm not sure what that was about, but got the impression that they had all become very horny during a karaoke session or something, and were running up to a bedroom. If anyone can shed some light on what happens in that building I'd love to hear.

I know it would be much easier if I knew tieng viet so I'm trying to learn it but it's hard to devote enough time to study. I plan to live here most of the year so I'd better learn!

By the way, where are the bia oms and cafe oms that I heard so much about? I think I am not clear about just what they are, and how they differ from just a sidewalk cafe. Can anybody recommend some?

As things stand now, I'm planning a trip to PP for relief.

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[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The other place I forgot for high class model types is the 'disco' at the New World Hotel. They look good but they are also most likely high priced prima donnas.[/QUOTE]The name of this disco is called Cat Walk. and all the "high class model types work in Cat Walk.They all have 3 mamasans that look after them.

If you fancy one to keep you company, its USD$12 per hour for them to sit with you. As for being able to bring them back with you, its up to your negotiation skills.

rumored that the take home rate is USD$150 - USD$200. why the rates are so high is due to catwalk being heavily patronised by Koreans and Japanese. for more details, please read on..

Catwalk is of THE most popular and expensive places to cheong in HCMC.

Catwalk has just been renovated and opened for about 3 weeks liao. It has a total of 5 areas/2 floors.

Ground Floor
Disco
Has live band and this is where all the gers(PRs) gather to wait for customers
Has a bar and projector to watch sports. Music played here is house/dance music. sofa seating surronding the whole disco and also tables with chairs inront of the bar area.

R&B
Next to the Disco, seperated by a glass wall, is the R&B / Hip Hop room. Done very nicely and looks very high class.

Lounge/sports bar
Walk right to the end of the disco through 2 doors. pass the staircase to the 2nd floor and u end up at this area. open area with ktv and also sports programs. also has sofa seating along the walls and seating at the bar.

2nd floor
Open area with computer/touch screen games and 2 6ft pool tables. this area overlooks the dance floor of the disco. this area very very very good to see down blouse of all the gers(PRS) hehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

KTV Rooms
In total 5 ktv rooms. wats inside dont know becuase never try. heard that very very nice and comfortable.

Drinks
Price for a bottle of Chivas Regal (1L) (18 yrs) is VND$1.4 mil( S$140.00)
One can of mixer(water/coke/soda/tonic/watever lah) cost VND$60K.

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Gers (PRs)
Gers to accompany u are USD$12 p/hr translate to VND$200K
Tips for ger starts at VND$300K

The gers here are mostly hang up and sell wan(translate to hokkien) 50% of the gers have their breast surgically enlarge. market rate is USD$2000(VND$30 mil) for the boob job.25% are small and 25% all natural minimum 34C. how i know is because we always sit near the door which the gers use to go to their lockers/toilets...hehehehehehehehehehehehe....they have a total of about 60-80 gers at any one time....most of them are off on sunday......wen new customers...the mummy will parade the gers for you to see....and u select.....50% look average....40% look "fake".....10% look above average...

My ger falls into the 10% category....actually picked her by accident.....one nite all the frends there and i was the last to arrive....they all had selected their gers liao and i got there just as the parade was about to leave....my frends ger ask me to pick her frend so i said..anything loh without even looking....was more intrested in getting my drink....hehhehehe.....wen i turned around to look at her...my jaw dropped and hit the floor....SSSSSSYT......21yrsold....white white....natural 36C...slurpz...her name is Rita and HCMC native.......

Whole nite we were chatting and just laughing among all the friends and the gers......the reason of why everyting was so fun was becuase we were sitting at the bar....wenever we go out to...we always sit at the bar........anyways....have heard horror stories that the gers in catwalk are very snobbish...this is becuase its an expensive place to cheong and also very popular with the koreans & japanese and its them who wlways spoil the market....frends told me that they tip average VND$500K...

Had alot of fun with my ger that nite...infact.....all my frends did....all the gers were wearing the national dress.....meanig...bare back and plunging neck lines exposing alot of cleavage.......the whole night....my ger kept hugging me and rubbing her 36Cs all over my arm/front and back....and wen i hug her from behind...she would take my hands and squeeze her ( . Y . ).....and occasionally...she would steal a quick french kiss from me.....very very soft lips and tounge......hehehehehehhe...

anyways...wen we left i passed her VND300K.....she looked at me.....walk me out to the door....kissed me on the cheek and pass me back the money...i asked her y???? she said....she already spend 3 hours with me....tats almost VND$600K....and also becuase she had alot of fun with me and my frends......and it was better than sitting with all the old koreans & japanese .........she said i was like a gentleman...very caring towards her....becuase the whole nite i was pouring her drinks and making her laugh............well...since she dont want my $$$....i not going to complain.........but anyway.....i gave her a kiss and slipped the money back into her cleavage and left......i told her she deserves it

[QUOTE=Gumbyy]

I was walking one day at the corner of HBT and TMK and saw an interesting scene. There's a building there (the northeast side of the intersection, I think) and I saw 4 or 5 girls running out, scantily clad, with 4 or 5 guys. This was at about 5 PM. one girl practically had her blouse off. They ran from the building and then went into an entryway that might have been part of the same building, where there was a stairway. They all ran up the stairway. I'm not sure what that was about, but got the impression that they had all become very horny during a karaoke session or something, and were running up to a bedroom. If anyone can shed some light on what happens in that building I'd love to hear.

[/QUOTE]

I had a bit of trouble sorting this location. HBT is Hai Ba Trung and I think TMK is Nguyen Thi Minh Khai.

I think this is the location of a fancy dance bar called Liquid that I have never been into.

Also curious for more info.

[QUOTE=Newbie]The name of this disco is called Cat Walk. and all the "high class model types work in Cat Walk.They all have 3 mamasans that look after them.

[/QUOTE]

I the past I have questioned the value some reports being proposed for R of D.

This one has excellent information and is exactly what I think should go in there.

[QUOTE=Newbie].

Anyways. Wen we left I passed her VND300K. She looked at me. Walk me out to the door. Kissed me on the cheek and pass me back the money. I asked her y? She said. She already spend 3 hours with me. Tats almost VND$600K. [/QUOTE]Maybe I am wrong; maybe you are too naive. My interpretation is that your money is too "little" for her. She rather not take it.

Next time when you are in Vietnam, you can test it for yourself. Like walking into Goi Dau Le Duyen (BBS Le Duyen), and try to tip like from 20K to 50K, they would return your money. If you tip 100K or more, then they would accept it. That is irrational, but they behave like that.

[QUOTE=Newbie]. Slipped the money [be]back into her cleavage and left[/be]. I told her she deserves it [/QUOTE]Nice strategy. You don't give her a chance to reject the tip and /or demand for a better tip.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I had a bit of trouble sorting this location. HBT is Hai Ba Trung and I think TMK is Nguyen Thi Minh Khai.

I think this is the location of a fancy dance bar called Liquid that I have never been into.

Also curious for more info. [/QUOTE]If based on your analysis, it should be Liquid. Liquid is not a fancy dance bar, rather its just like any other disco in HCMC. Usually catered to the locals and of course there are Working Ladies/freelancers. I think it can be comparable to Rainforest. Never been there before becuase most of the time I hang out on the other side of D1, nicknamed by us as the "Pussy Triangle".

However have heard about it from frends and it dosent really sound that exciting, but since its Friday, might make a trip there tonite to scout the place out.

On a seperate note. If by any chance any of you guys can't pick up any companionship for the night at Liquid, heres another tip;

Wen you walk out of Liquid, turn left into Nguyen Thi Minh Khai street. At the junction turn right and walk upwards towards District 3. Along Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, you will encounter HCMC'see infamous Pussy on Wheels, this is where they all are located and they will be riding up and down the street. Soemtimes, they will be just standing along Nguyen Thi Minh Khai waiting to be picked up.

However, do be careful as I am sure some of the horror stories of guys being robbed, etc etc have been posted before.

CHEERS

Did any of you guys have collected some experiences in the health club in 18 Hoang Viet street, Ward 4, Tan Binh District. Services, costs, opening hours etc.. Thank you for your contributions.

[QUOTE=Cho Matxa]Maybe I am wrong; maybe you are too naive. My interpretation is that your money is too "little" for her. She rather not take it. [/QUOTE]Maybe I am naive wen it comes to the opposite sex, but not so wen it comes to playing games with them. Somehow or rather (might be thru divine intervention/fate/The Force) the gers in Catwalk have come to expect a certiah amount of Tips when it comes to the different natinalties that patronise the place. But I am cery certain the minimum amount is VND3mil. All the other gers happily accepted what was given to them by my friends without any complains which happened to be the same amount I gave.

You are most certainly right when you say what I gave her might be considered to little but then, it could be she was just playing games with me. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Cho Matxa]Next time when you are in Vietnam, you can test it for yourself. Like walking into Goi Dau Le Duyen (BBS Le Duyen), and try to tip like from 20K to 50K, they would return your money. If you tip 100K or more, then they would accept it. That is irrational, but they behave like that. [/QUOTE]Have been to various / numerous BBS. Addicted to Hot Toc. Never once had my tips rejected be it 50K or 100K. Don't know why it never happend to me before.

[QUOTE=Cho Matxa]Nice strategy. You don't give her a chance to reject the tip and /or demand for a better tip. [/QUOTE]Thanks.

Have spent the last hour plus reading through the postings dated from yr 2006 and after and I hope that I can help to answer some queries regarding bringing gers back to your hotel.

Veitnam is still a communist country therfore there are some strict guidelines regarding unmarried couples spending the nite in a room. Not only hotels buit jus to let you know, unmarried couples are not allowed to stay in a room even if its in a residential property.

Most hotels have a curfew of 11pm. meaning that you are not allowed to bring a ger back into your hotel room after 11pm. some hotels have the curfew as early as 9pm. As long as you bring the ger in before this time it is ok. You would still have to register her meaning she has to show her ID card etc etc and than go up with you. She can stay overnite provieded you bring her into your room before the curfew, better in the late afternoon and she stays in the room till the next day. how i know this was becuase i helped to arrange a ger for a friend who was staying in New World Hotel. I walked into the hotel and straight up into my friend's room without any troubles. but this was in the late afternoon about 3pm. please bear in mind that this night not work in the early evening/nite.

Another way to overcome this problem is to pay for another room. This means that one room is registered in her room wnd the other is in your name. whether she sleeps in it they dont care. The reason they want to do it this way is that the hotel can cover their own ass in case of police raids.

This is because a week before the last liberation day celebrations, a very popular "lovers" hotel in Binh Thanh market was raided and about 40 people got arrested. regardless of the fact you are a guy or ger, you will still end up in the police station.

If all else fails, there are alot of mini hotels located on street behind Binh Thanh Market that you can book for an overnite jiggy jiggy. will go scout out the area and try to get as much info as possible.

My best bit of advice is this;

When you check into a hotel. Just ask the receptionist / front desk that you would have a lady friend / ger friend joining you later in the evening and see wat she/he says.

Most importantly, do not explain why you are bringing back different gers every night.

CHEERS

There's this new fuction in msword that you should know about... it's called spell check.

Well, I posted the following followup report six days ago, but somehow it did not get posted:

Well I went walking there again yesterday. Yes, it's the same corner as Liquid. But it was on TMK, not on HBT. In other words, when you walk out of Liquid, go left, then make another left onto TMK. I am not sure if it's the same building as Liquid, or an adjacent building, but the scene I saw was around the corner from Liquid, and it was at 5 PM, when there's nobody in Liquid. So, it wasn't Liquid. Funny, I've been unable to figure out just what I saw, and there doesn't seem to be any karaoke there, unless it's unmarked and hidden.

I did go in Liquid last night for a few minutes. I really hate discos. I hate the deafening music. It was all Viets in groups. I didn't see any pickup possibilities, though a few girls smiled at me, but I think they were with groups of guys. Girls smile at you all the time in VN, I think it usually doesn't mean anything, they are just amused at seeing a foreigner.

I also walked up TMK at about 20:30-21:00, and for the first time I did notice some girls. Most of them were standing on the street, to my surprise. One or two were on motorbikes. I thought I saw a good looking one standing on the street, but passed her by as I wanted to walk up the street further. When I finally returned she was gone.

These girls were mostly not near the Mitsubishi dealer, but several blocks before it.

I also went over the bridge where I heard girls hang out. There weren't any there.

This is interesting, I much prefer girls standing on the street where you have time to get a good close look at them, to zipping by on motorbikes. This being VN, I do wonder, though, if one can be confident that these girls are on the level, and not trying to set you up?

[QUOTE=John05] From what I have seen of the hundreds of Viet girls in Little Saigon here....they really do not like white guys. There are hundreds of thousands of Viet girls living here in the USA and you never see them with white bfs. [/QUOTE]There are millions of white girl, and you would even nearly never see a white girl with an asian bf.

[QUOTE=John05]People generally like their own kind more than another race. [...] They rarely prefer us. Like I said, hundreds of thousands living here in Southern California and quite difficult to see them with a white bf.[/QUOTE]I think you have the answer for yourself already. Opposite attraction does happen; but people tend to go with similarity. Check out some basic psychology book, and they also mention about it.

This is a true case. A friend of mind has a white husband. They rarely go together in public. Nobody had knew they were dating, until one day she announced her marriage. They have a son together. Live togother. Sleep together of course.

WHY?

Just returned from my 2 wks in Vietnam and had a blast. No shortage of P4P anywhere I went. Prices vary but plenty to choose from. My hotel in Dist. 1 was a 25USD anight very clean and good staff. Will reveal name in private email if anyones interested. Asked the evening security for details on local girls and was told, you want ST or LT? LT is my thing and was told there would be room service at 7: 30pm. Knock on the door and this luscious babe enters, long legs and knockout quality 100USD all night, all the usuual positions and condom of courses, rim, BBBJ, daty total GFE and worth every dime. Next night I ask for a more reasonable "dish" and was sent a not as pretty but tight as hell body, no english but no problem. $60USD all night. All positions Full service. As I watched I saw this go on all week at many of the local hotels and no hassles by anyone. They check the girls in and call the room when they leave to make sure everything is OK, no problems all around. That's what I call "room service". Was going to sample other hotels I've heard about but didn't feel the need.

Had to mention my experience with my moto driver. He asked if I wanted some "boom boom" and I was a bit skeptical but said I'd take a bj. Was driven over the bridge just out of Chinatown along the riverside that had many cafes. Not a number district but had a name I have since forgeotten. Cafes had some real sweet meat lounging around and for 200,000 - 400,000 you walk in scan the ladies and some are very fuckin' hot I must say. Had an awesome bbbj in the back room by a hot young babysan who stripped in front of me sat beside me on a love seat and did the deed so well for 300, 000. No cim but a nice ride all the same. Served me a cold one and cleaned me up in the bargain. Nice service but just a bit far for me. 15-20 cafes along this strip and was told all have the same service. Practically drive thru service. My dream.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Just returned from my 2 wks in Vietnam and had a blast. No shortage of P4P anywhere I went. Prices vary but plenty to choose from. My hotel in Dist. 1 was a 25USD anight very clean and good staff. Will reveal name in private email if anyones interested. Asked the evening security for details on local girls and was told, you want ST or LT? LT is my thing and was told there would be room service at 7: 30pm. Knock on the door and this luscious babe enters, long legs and knockout quality 100USD all night, all the usuual positions and condom of courses, rim, BBBJ, daty total GFE and worth every dime. Next night I ask for a more reasonable "dish" and was sent a not as pretty but tight as hell body, no english but no problem. $60USD all night. All positions Full service. As I watched I saw this go on all week at many of the local hotels and no hassles by anyone. They check the girls in and call the room when they leave to make sure everything is OK, no problems all around. That's what I call "room service". Was going to sample other hotels I've heard about but didn't feel the need.[/QUOTE]

Lucky boy - I have only ever had a VN hotel send up hags! I geuss this is more evidence of rising prices. I just had a conversation with a pretty girl who would not budge off $60 for short time 'upstairs'. Will PM for hotel.

Here some hot pics on a cute Viet girl in HCM. I got to know her by accident on the street. She looked great. In bed she was a bit passive but it was still a great experience. enjoy!Here some hot pics on a cute Viet girl in HCM. I got to know her by accident on the street. She looked great. In bed she was a bit passive and her moaning was a bit artificial but it was still a nice experience. It was definitely worth while the 50 bucks for one full night. Enjoy!

Hi all,

Heading back to Saigon in November. Can anyone pm some suggestions for GF hotels to stay at? I'm looking for someplace clean, with A/C, decent bath, and maybe some TV.

Thanks in advance

Mojoke

For those looking for a new spot besides NTMK/zoo and Palace moto girls can check out Tu Xuong District 3. The first 2 blocks east of Cach Mang Thang 8, between Dien Bien Phu and Vo Thi Sau.

I happened to drive past the other day at around 6-7 and saw some ladies standing by the road but did not stop as I was with company. Being curious, I drove back around 12:30 and saw moto girls driving like the zoo area, with no pimps driving them. I did not partake so I don't know where the mini hotels are or pricing. If someone tries it out before I do, please report. Will scope it out more later this week.

Hello every one,

Just a quick question- what is the minimum age of consent in vietnam? Just met a girl from a dating site- she lied about her age (19) in the website and now I found out- she is actually 17.5 years. Haven't met her yet and not sure whether i meet her or not- since she is under 18?

Pls advice all gurus. Anyway what is the age of consent in Vietnam? Is it 16 or 18?

Wanted to write report for all those who might want something different from NTMK\zoo\Mitsu dealer and Independence Palace girls. On Tu Xuong, 2-3 blocks west of Cach Mang Thang 8, between Dien Bien Phu and Vo Thi Sau, District 3.

First time noticing the action was on a drive home with friend at 5:30 pm on a Monday (so could not stop) - girls where standing Palace style on sidewalk. I was curious and stopped by at 1 am and still noticed action with moto girls riding (ala zoo\Mitsu dealer). I cruised by today (Wed) at around 7 and noticed both standers and moto girls. I was just scoping today and did not ask pricing or location of mini hotels. The action seems to start much earlier here than by NTMK and Palace. If someone tries it out before I do, feel free to write up report.

[QUOTE=Hard Travel]Hello every one,

Just a quick question- what is the minimum age of consent in vietnam? Just met a girl from a dating site- she lied about her age (19) in the website and now I found out- she is actually 17.5 years. Haven't met her yet and not sure whether i meet her or not- since she is under 18?

Pls advice all gurus. Anyway what is the age of consent in Vietnam? Is it 16 or 18?[/QUOTE]

In Vietnam the age of consent is 18, but the overriding factor is the age of consent in your country of origin. For instance, in the United States, the age of consent is 18 so your partners must be 18 no matter where you go.

If I were you I'd postpone my trip for a few months. Are you even sure that she's 17 and a HALF? Sounds like you're playing with fire. Good luck and have fun.

[QUOTE=Mojoke]Hi all,

Heading back to Saigon in November. Can anyone pm some suggestions for GF hotels to stay at? I'm looking for someplace clean, with A/C, decent bath, and maybe some TV.

Thanks in advance

Mojoke[/QUOTE]

somerset apts in district 1 (two locations, one newer than other but both are excellent) is definitely gfe, if you go back to oct 05 posts from me, you'll find details...about US$75 w/ breakfast, two bedrooms, kitchen, L/R, swimming pool, etc.

Security will even go buy condoms for you!

[QUOTE=Mojoke]Hi all,

Heading back to Saigon in November. Can anyone pm some suggestions for GF hotels to stay at? I'm looking for someplace clean, with A/C, decent bath, and maybe some TV.

Thanks in advance

Mojoke[/QUOTE]

If you RTFF you will find lots of info on Hotels here.

I use the small ones on Mac Thi Boui but there are others.

Anything over $50 is usually not GF. Somerset aparts sound interesting.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]If you RTFF you will find lots of info on Hotels here.

I use the small ones on Mac Thi Boui but there are others.

Anything over $50 is usually not GF. Somerset aparts sound interesting.[/QUOTE]

You're right, most hotels with more than 2+ stars not GFE. I had local colleague confirm Somerset before I booked - surprising since most occupants are families on long term lease. But it's quiet after 10 pm and before 7:30 am.

And the comment re the condoms is true story - my client and had two girls in his two bedroom unit and only two condoms btw us - so I called downstairs and asked if the guard could go buy some - 10 minutes later got a dozen :) RLMAO

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The owner is a journalist in VN for many years. He lists the good place to eat authentic food. Remember, it is his preference. But at least, you have something to start from.

I'd be very carefull personally. They/she could be setting you up for some $$$ blackmail.

[QUOTE=mikeymae]In Vietnam the age of consent is 18, but the overriding factor is the age of consent in your country of origin. For instance, in the United States, the age of consent is 18 so your partners must be 18 no matter where you go.

If I were you I'd postpone my trip for a few months. Are you even sure that she's 17 and a HALF? Sounds like you're playing with fire. Good luck and have fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ippehsoj]For those looking for a new spot besides NTMK/zoo and Palace moto girls can check out Tu Xuong District 3. The first 2 blocks east of Cach Mang Thang 8, between Dien Bien Phu and Vo Thi Sau.

I happened to drive past the other day at around 6-7 and saw some ladies standing by the road but did not stop as I was with company. Being curious, I drove back around 12:30 and saw moto girls driving like the zoo area, with no pimps driving them. I did not partake so I don't know where the mini hotels are or pricing. If someone tries it out before I do, please report. Will scope it out more later this week.[/QUOTE]I can confirm what Ippehsoj wrote about Tu Xuong. I went by there at 8:30 PM Sunday and there were about six or seven girls, some riding, some standing. They are not just two blocks east of Cach Mang, however, they are on the whole length of Tu Xuong. One or two cute ones but nobody my type.

Afterwards I went past the Independence Palace around 9:30 PM. Nobody there. I have seen the action there at 11:30 PM, but it really must start late.

Incidentally, I'd really like to hear from someone who has taken these girls, as I've yet to sample a single one. I am too worried about a setup with the cahn sat. The cahn sat surely must know what's going on. I assume they are getting a piece of the action to permit it.

Have any of you had any problems taking these girls? It really spooks me to try to pick up a girl on such a busy street, with everybody driving by fully aware of what you're doing.

Tu Xuong is better because it's a quieter street.

By the way, to those who are using Vietsingle or other dating site, I urge you not to toy with these girls. I've met about 8 of them so far, and all of them are poor. They work menial jobs and they really want to get married. Please don't use them for sex if you're not seriously interested in them. I am actually looking for a wife so I use this site.

One I met recently was jobless because her motorbike was wrecked in an accident. It's really sad.

It's a great pity that prostitution is repressed in so many places. Men need this service when they are without a girl. Denying it to them forces them to become cads and mislead women like the Vietsingle girls to get sex when the men have no intention of getting serious.

The real "social evil" is not prostitution, it's repression of human needs, including the need for prostitutes.

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Originally Posted by HornyAsianKid
Silly Puppy,

I dont know what your standard of stunning is but if you are caucasian, then yours would be alot different from mine. Most of the girls you guys post pictures on here are terrible quality and asian people would consider then very ugly. Viet girls with more western attributes are considered pretty not the tradition chinky eye flat nose girls. Secondly, $100 a night is the standard rate of girls in the clubs/bars in Saigon not the streetwalkers. The rate will be less if you are in the smaller cities. I wouldnt touch a streetwalker with a 10 feet pole. Those girls are commonly known to have diseases that's why they are walking and not working in the upscale places. I have added a pic of the samples of girls i would pay 100 a night for so you can judge. Just because you can pay them doesnt mean they will go with you. A beautiful girl will get approach alot during the night so she chooses you she is comfortable with. Another thing, Americans are viewed to be cheap so these girls will most likely reject American offers. That is why most of the girls with the Americans tend to be the ugly. I'm not trying to step on anyone's feet but I'm just sharing i hear.]

I agree with the comment that many of the pics posted here are not what I would call stunners. These three look pretty good but I would want to chat a bit to be sure I do not have a primma donna with a million rules.
As for prices it seems to me that the regular bar girls rate is still $60 for long time although some of the bars are trying to apply a drinks levy or even a bar fine. I walked out several times a week or so ago.
The upmarket bars like Catwalk and Casino Royale seem to have $150 as the asking rate for short time only. The girls or the system seem to have problems with long time but will negotiate to $100 for short time. My experience is that the service is then very rushed and full of limitations.
As a general comment I have found it rare that a stunner anywhere delivers enthusiatic service as they seem to put themselves on some sort of pedestal.

Earlier this year I wondered into the Bar Sai Gon around the corner from the Caravel. There were about 20 ladies to pick from, over half 6 or above (IMO). Left with a girl names Ni Na (a solid 8.5) for $40usd and went to a mini hotel. All in all a good time with a very cute girl who seemed to enjoy what she was doing. My only complaint is having to use the mini hotel. Part of me was always waiting for the cops or someone to show up.

My question is does anyone know of a brothel like faculty in HCMC? I realize my dilemma is not unique and there are GF hotels. I’m just not in a position to use one. I figure with all the action in the city there has to be something else out there. I know about the MP and salons but am looking for a full service in-house operation. Any help would be appreciated.

Returning after a couple of years absence for a week's activities.

Is U2/Linda's Pub on Mac Thi Buoi still going strong? Had a couple of good exp there last time.

Also wondering if the "fake" Hard Rock Cafe is still open right nearby as well.

[QUOTE=Shiofuki]Returning after a couple of years absence for a week's activities.

Is U2/Linda's Pub on Mac Thi Buoi still going strong? Had a couple of good exp there last time.

Also wondering if the "fake" Hard Rock Cafe is still open right nearby as well.[/QUOTE]

U2 is still there but they have cleaned up the back a little bit - probably call it a renovation.
There is another bar down the street near the thang long hotel and also a non-girly bar.
Not seen the Hard Rock.

Can confirm what Sudsoz says. U2 still going strong,even saw a western couple sitting in there a few months ago. Hard rock has been gone a long time now. The girly bar further down is next to Shadow Bar ,been in once for a short time but nothing spectacular in there and left after one drink.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]U2 is still there but they have cleaned up the back a little bit - probably call it a renovation.
There is another bar down the street near the thang long hotel and also a non-girly bar.
Not seen the Hard Rock.[/QUOTE]

Many thanks. The Hard Rock is/was on the same side of the street as U2. Could have folded since I was there last though.

There is a nice massage+ HJ place in district 3 on Dien Bien Phu Street (near where it intersects with Vuon Chuoi Street). The girls are cute and friendly and will let you touch them freely. Each girl is assigned a number and she will usually tell you to ask for her number when you return. The price is 50,000 VND plus a 100,000-200,000 VND tip for the girl. (The locals only pay 100,000VND, but the girls will try to get you to pay 200,000VND if you are a foreigner). I asked some locals how much they earn in a day. A waitress in a very nice restaurant (the kind you go to on special occassions) told me she earns 40,000 VND for eight hours of work. A high school teacher with a university education told me that she earns 60,000 VND a day. A girl who worked as a tour guide told me she earns 100,000 VND a day. So tipping 100,000 for one hour of service is plenty although the girl may pretend otherwise.

Some bj places I've discovered in HCMC:

324 Dien Bien Phu, Binh Thanh District (west of Hang Xanh intersection)

112 Tran Tuan Khai, District 5 (Near Tokyo Hotel)

Typically, you'll pay 100,000 VND plus a 100,000-200,000 VN tip for the girl. Expect to pay an extra 50,000 if a motorbike driver goes with you. He'll want his commission. It seems like most of the motorbike drivers will want to take you to the place on Ly Thai To in District 3 if you tell them you want a massage. I would avoid this place since they were very pushy, lied to me and tried to rip me off. Anyone know of more bj places?

I'm going to Viet Nam at the end of the year and the information on here has been very helpful. I'm wondering though, do any of you guys know of VIP places like the hands-free restaurant mentioned earlier on in this thread? Some place where you can get pampered and be treated like a king for a night. I just want some info on the other end of the spectrum so I can have a complete range of options when I'm back there :)

[QUOTE=Casey2005]Some bj places I've discovered in HCMC:

324 Dien Bien Phu, Binh Thanh District (west of Hang Xanh intersection)

112 Tran Tuan Khai, District 5 (Near Tokyo Hotel)[/QUOTE]Besides the obvious places like U2 and other clubs in Dist 1 on Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi, there is an area of Tu Xuong off Cac Mang Than (the first 2-4 blocks), where you can find a girl and go to a nearby short term hotel for about 300K VND for a quick BJ.

Casey2005, do you have more specific location information for the place on Tran Tuan Khai? There are a number of 112X sub addresses, including some down an alleyway. We were unable to locate the one that you mentioned in your post.

[QUOTE=Alleno151]Besides the obvious places like U2 and other clubs in Dist 1 on Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi, there is an area of Tu Xuong off Cac Mang Than (the first 2-4 blocks), where you can find a girl and go to a nearby short term hotel for about 300K VND for a quick BJ.

Casey2005, do you have more specific location information for the place on Tran Tuan Khai? There are a number of 112X sub addresses, including some down an alleyway. We were unable to locate the one that you mentioned in your post.[/QUOTE]

Girls on Tu Xuong are street walkers, their price is 150,000 for ST. If you are paying 300,000 it's too expensive. They are like girls on NGuyen thi Minh Khai

I just returned from another visit to Vietnam and thought it was time for me to contribute to the forum instead of just being an observer. My favorite massage location in HCM City is the Lido Health Club located at 265 Pham Ngu Lao St. in Dist. 1. The Lido Health Club can be found on the 2nd floor of the Que Huong - Liberty 4 Hotel. Telephone #848-836-4556.

The facility is extremely nice and very clean. The facility offers dry sauna, wet sauna, hot tub and cool tub along with showers. The cost of a massage is 100,000 VND and additional foot/leg massage is 50,000 VND. Most of the girls are attractive and friendly. The service is always fantastic. Tips usually run 100,00 VND for a massage and 150,000-200,000 for massage with happy ending. The girls will ALWAYS ask if you want the happy ending. The girls always try to up the tip as they do everywhere so keep in mind that the tip is at the discretion of the customer. I have only had to speak to management about one girl demanding a specific tip. She thought I was an uninformed foreigner and demanded $30.00 US. The girl was fired on the spot and I have not seen her working again. The management is very attentive to the foreign customer. The Lido Health Club is an upscale massage facility with excellent customer service.

Hope this helps some of you.

Just FYI to travelers to HCM City.

I was in HCM City from October 14-21. I always stay at the same GF hotel and never have any problems. During my last visit, the hotel staff informed me that the police had been making nightly checks at many of the hotels. They explained that the police were checking for foreigners with VN girls staying in their rooms overnight. The staff advised that I may have to have an additional room if I were having any overnight guests. I thought the staff was possibly trying to make some extra money even though this had never happened in the past. Two days later the police showed up at the hotel and made a quick check. I was then convinced that the staff was being straight forward with me about the police situation. I rented a second room since I had a GF coming into town for a few days and did not want any problems. The staff gave me a discounted rate of $20.00 US per day for the 2nd room and made sure my GF always had the key to the 2nd room, just in case the police decided to make another check.

Just thought I would pass this advisory along to everyone and happy travelling!

I just returned from another trip to HCM City and thought I would pass along some information on one of my favorite restaurants.

Com Nieu Sai Gon Restaurant is located at 59 Ho Xuan Huong Street in District 3. Telephone #848-930-2888. The food is great and the service is outstanding. The restaurant offers a very large selection of dishes at very good prices. A party of 4 can eat a very large meal with drinks for about 300,000 VND. The service is better than any other restaurant I have visited in HCM City. Give it a try and I think all of you will truly enjoy the dining experience.

I almost forgot to mention the many beautiful VN girls that also dine at the restaurant. An additional treat!

[QUOTE=Tricky Richard]Just FYI to travelers to HCM City.

I was in HCM City from October 14-21. I always stay at the same GF hotel and never have any problems. During my last visit, the hotel staff informed me that the police had been making nightly checks at many of the hotels. They explained that the police were checking for foreigners with VN girls staying in their rooms overnight. The staff advised that I may have to have an additional room if I were having any overnight guests. I thought the staff was possibly trying to make some extra money even though this had never happened in the past. Two days later the police showed up at the hotel and made a quick check. I was then convinced that the staff was being straight forward with me about the police situation. I rented a second room since I had a GF coming into town for a few days and did not want any problems. The staff gave me a discounted rate of $20.00 US per day for the 2nd room and made sure my GF always had the key to the 2nd room, just in case the police decided to make another check.

Just thought I would pass this advisory along to everyone and happy travelling![/QUOTE]

Some of the bars were putting coveralls over the girls outfits in response to some street activity that I could not see.
But my hotel is GF business as usual!

[QUOTE=Shearer68]Can confirm what Sudsoz says. U2 still going strong,even saw a western couple sitting in there a few months ago. Hard rock has been gone a long time now. The girly bar further down is next to Shadow Bar ,been in once for a short time but nothing spectacular in there and left after one drink.[/QUOTE]

The bar next to Shadow Bar is now closed for renovations. Who knows if it will re-appear? Shadow Bar has no p4p. U2 is still there but no upstairs action.

[QUOTE=Adhome01]Earlier this year I wondered into the Bar Sai Gon around the corner from the Caravel. There were about 20 ladies to pick from, over half 6 or above (IMO). Left with a girl names Ni Na (a solid 8.5) for $40usd and went to a mini hotel. All in all a good time with a very cute girl who seemed to enjoy what she was doing. My only complaint is having to use the mini hotel. Part of me was always waiting for the cops or someone to show up.

My question is does anyone know of a brothel like faculty in HCMC? I realize my dilemma is not unique and there are GF hotels. I’m just not in a position to use one. I figure with all the action in the city there has to be something else out there. I know about the MP and salons but am looking for a full service in-house operation. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Any details of location of this Bar Sai Gon? Is it on Hai Bai Trung? Left or right out of Caravelle?

Nearest thing to in-house is back room or upstairs of 'billiard bars'. Not what you are looking for at all.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Any details of location of this Bar Sai Gon? Is it on Hai Bai Trung? Left or right out of Caravelle?

Here's the address and phone. When you leave with a lady the manager will give you a business card with her name and bar info.

44 Dong Du P. Ben Nghe
Open from 8 AM - 4 AM
DT: 8 24278
DD: 090 3827619

If you stop by make sure and give us a report. I'm going back in a few months and plan on making another visit. Also, an American was there who said he was part owner (had his picture behind the bar) but who knows...he may have been customer of the month.

[QUOTE=Adhome01][QUOTE=Sudsoz]Any details of location of this Bar Sai Gon? Is it on Hai Bai Trung? Left or right out of Caravelle?

Here's the address and phone. When you leave with a lady the manager will give you a business card with her name and bar info.

44 Dong Du P. Ben Nghe
Open from 8 AM - 4 AM
DT: 8 24278
DD: 090 3827619

If you stop by make sure and give us a report. I'm going back in a few months and plan on making another visit. Also, an American was there who said he was part owner (had his picture behind the bar) but who knows...he may have been customer of the month.[/QUOTE]

On Dong Du the only one I know with p4p is just down from Hai Bai Trung but I never knew the name. The mamasan there is very reasonable and the girls are good.
There are a couple of regular bars opposite including the Cafe Latin with lots of sport on the TV's.

I have it on good authority that unfortunately the bar your talking about on Dong Du is about to shut down in a month or two. The internet 2 doors down shut down recently after 7 years there and Cafe latin has a month before relocation. I am afraid a ridiculous increase in rental prices may change this area dramatically in the years to come but who knows.

[QUOTE=Shearer68]I have it on good authority that unfortunately the bar your talking about on Dong Du is about to shut down in a month or two. The internet 2 doors down shut down recently after 7 years there and Cafe latin has a month before relocation. I am afraid a ridiculous increase in rental prices may change this area dramatically in the years to come but who knows.[/QUOTE]

The bar that used to be on Mac Thi Boui at the opposite end of the street to U2 has closed and is being renovated for a restaurant. I found some of the same ladies in a new location near the river a few doors down from the Riverside and the 17 Cowboy bar. Had a Hard Rock syle sign out front. Mamasan wanted VD1,000,000 for an inhouse BJ. I told her and the girl that was ridiculous and walked out. Your theory about rental pressure may be correct.

[QUOTE=Tricky Richard]I just returned from another visit to Vietnam and thought it was time for me to contribute to the forum instead of just being an observer. My favorite massage location in HCM City is the Lido Health Club located at 265 Pham Ngu Lao St. in Dist. 1. The Lido Health Club can be found on the 2nd floor of the Que Huong - Liberty 4 Hotel. Telephone #848-836-4556.

The facility is extremely nice and very clean. The facility offers dry sauna, wet sauna, hot tub and cool tub along with showers. The cost of a massage is 100,000 VND and additional foot/leg massage is 50,000 VND. Most of the girls are attractive and friendly. The service is always fantastic. Tips usually run 100,00 VND for a massage and 150,000-200,000 for massage with happy ending. The girls will ALWAYS ask if you want the happy ending. The girls always try to up the tip as they do everywhere so keep in mind that the tip is at the discretion of the customer. I have only had to speak to management about one girl demanding a specific tip. She thought I was an uninformed foreigner and demanded $30.00 US. The girl was fired on the spot and I have not seen her working again. The management is very attentive to the foreign customer. The Lido Health Club is an upscale massage facility with excellent customer service.

Hope this helps some of you.[/QUOTE]

When you refer to happy ending, do you mean HJ?

Were you able to find any places that offer more than a HJ?

Thanks for the report - Dave.

I can't figure these mamasans out.

Last night the one on the corner of Mac Thi Boui would not budge below 1.2 mill VD for a sweet young thing LT. I offered 800k expecting to negotiate to 1 mill but she would not move.

It was 10.30 and no other customers in sight when I walked out. Can't believe they are so stubborn that they turn business away.

Their chief argument seems to be that the girl has to pay the bar $20 or $30.

Called a freelance sweety (who left the bars for this reason) - 800k no problem.

[QUOTE=Shearer68]I have it on good authority that unfortunately the bar your talking about on Dong Du is about to shut down in a month or two. The internet 2 doors down shut down recently after 7 years there and Cafe latin has a month before relocation. I am afraid a ridiculous increase in rental prices may change this area dramatically in the years to come but who knows.[/QUOTE]

From what I hear the whole of the Mac Thi Boui and Dong Du areas are likely to be redeveloped over the next few years with the result that a number of smaller bars and restaurants will have to move. Let's hope they stick together because the concentration of choices is good.

Had to spend a few days in Saigon on business last week. Unfortunately, was stuck with business partners the whole time, including dinner parties, etc. Couldn't really explore the night life on my own. However, did form a couple of opinions:

1. VN girls are really good looking. For some reason, they are leggier and have more "Eurasian" features than most other Asian women. Maybe some French blood got into the gene pool over the years? But VN women are definitely stunning. I can now understand why so many American soldiers came home with VN wives during the war.

2. I sense that VN women, while they can really be charming (what beautiful smiles!) when they want to be, have a high potential for developing into the legendary Asian "dragon ladies." In other words, they can turn into real bitches later in life. The really beautiful young women you see all seem to have an attitude already.

3. Some time ago, someone named "SingViet" posted a message on this board advertising "high class" call girls. He was directed to the Classified Ads section, where you can still find his post. Anyway, I phoned his number and all I got was someone yakking in Vietnamese. Absolutely no English. I tried to send a message, so they could take their time, translate my message, and reply. Still only VN. Absolutely no two-way communication. Total strike-out.

rich,

do you know exactly what kind of searches are being performed? do the police just look at the passport and VN id cards or are they knocking on doors and asking questions?

[QUOTE=Tricky Richard]Just FYI to travelers to HCM City.

I was in HCM City from October 14-21. I always stay at the same GF hotel and never have any problems. During my last visit, the hotel staff informed me that the police had been making nightly checks at many of the hotels. They explained that the police were checking for foreigners with VN girls staying in their rooms overnight. The staff advised that I may have to have an additional room if I were having any overnight guests. I thought the staff was possibly trying to make some extra money even though this had never happened in the past. Two days later the police showed up at the hotel and made a quick check. I was then convinced that the staff was being straight forward with me about the police situation. I rented a second room since I had a GF coming into town for a few days and did not want any problems. The staff gave me a discounted rate of $20.00 US per day for the 2nd room and made sure my GF always had the key to the 2nd room, just in case the police decided to make another check.

Just thought I would pass this advisory along to everyone and happy travelling![/QUOTE]

Being held next week in hanoi so it's natural for intensified law enforcement actions before all the VIP arrive.

[QUOTE=Fw190]3. Some time ago, someone named "SingViet" posted a message on this board advertising "high class" call girls. He was directed to the Classified Ads section, where you can still find his post. Anyway, I phoned his number and all I got was someone yakking in Vietnamese. Absolutely no English. I tried to send a message, so they could take their time, translate my message, and reply. Still only VN. Absolutely no two-way communication. Total strike-out.[/QUOTE]Hi,

The services are no longer operating and no one has taken over the business.

And I do agree with you about the legendary temprament of the Viet ladies. Just experienced it last night.

[QUOTE=Tricky Richard]My favorite massage location in HCM City is the Lido Health Club located at 265 Pham Ngu Lao St. in Dist. 1. The Lido Health Club can be found on the 2nd floor of the Que Huong - Liberty 4 Hotel. Telephone #848-836-4556.

The facility is extremely nice and very clean. The facility offers dry sauna, wet sauna, hot tub and cool tub along with showers. The cost of a massage is 100,000 VND and additional foot/leg massage is 50,000 VND. Most of the girls are attractive and friendly. The service is always fantastic. Tips usually run 100,00 VND for a massage and 150,000-200,000 for massage with happy ending.

Hope this helps some of you.[/QUOTE]Thanks Richard, it was helpful. Can I just ask a newbie question?

The straight massage costed you 100,000VND, and then only another 50,000-100,000 for a happy ending?

Or is the 150,000-200,000 figure you quoted the tip OVER AND ABOVE what you pay for just the regular massage?

What there much scope to touch and fondle at this place?

Thanks.

I will arrive in HCM early on a sunday morning afte ra long ass flight. I will be in hotel by noon. I dont have patience to wait until 6 pm to start mongering. Can anyone suggest where I can go to get a FS in the early afternoon?

I am hoping to get one in and then go back for nap and go out again after 9:00 pm for another round at the usual places. I just need a quick fix at lunch time coming in cold. I dont mind paying if it gets the job done quicker.

chief,

you did not read the report carefully. 100k is to the house, and then you must tip the girl an extra 150 to 200k for happy ending. you only need to tip 50k to 100k if there is no hj. but i'd say if you don't look vietnamese you'll have a hard time tipping just the right amount that richard said.

FW190,

You are certainly a perspicacious young man. Or at least I assume you are young. It's unusual for a person to see what you have seen. But you are absolutely 100 correct.

Vietnamese society is similar to other asian societies in that men are traditionally catered to. The oldest son is spoiled and treated like a demi-god since he will take over from the father one day. But the big secret in Viet society is that the women really run things, unlike (for example) in Chinese society. Vietnamese also can be less reserved than other asians and the women will definitely let you know when you've fucked up.

While the demure looking, willowy young woman in their ao giai's look the very picture of feminine grace, under all that silk or rayon hides a beast with the claws and heart of a tigress.

But they are alluring. I'll give you that.

LexLuther

[QUOTE=LexLuther]FW190,

You are certainly a perspicacious young man. Or at least I assume you are young. It's unusual for a person to see what you have seen. But you are absolutely 100 correct.

Vietnamese society is similar to other asian societies in that men are traditionally catered to. The oldest son is spoiled and treated like a demi-god since he will take over from the father one day. But the big secret in Viet society is that the women really run things, unlike (for example) in Chinese society. Vietnamese also can be less reserved than other asians and the women will definitely let you know when you've fucked up.

While the demure looking, willowy young woman in their ao giai's look the very picture of feminine grace, under all that silk or rayon hides a beast with the claws and heart of a tigress.

But they are alluring. I'll give you that.

LexLuther[/QUOTE]


Well said! Most if not all of the SE Asian women (maybe with the exception of Japan and North Korea) are what you described above. I believe it has a lot to do with family influence. For example, when you marry an Asian girl you are in many ways taking on the financial responsibility for her family like it or not. You are EXPECTED to provide financial support to her family. If not, a tsunami of drama will ensue.

[QUOTE=LexLuther]FW190,

You are certainly a perspicacious young man. Or at least I assume you are young. It's unusual for a person to see what you have seen. But you are absolutely 100 correct.

Vietnamese society is similar to other asian societies in that men are traditionally catered to. The oldest son is spoiled and treated like a demi-god since he will take over from the father one day. But the big secret in Viet society is that the women really run things, unlike (for example) in Chinese society. Vietnamese also can be less reserved than other asians and the women will definitely let you know when you've fucked up.

While the demure looking, willowy young woman in their ao giai's look the very picture of feminine grace, under all that silk or rayon hides a beast with the claws and heart of a tigress.

But they are alluring. I'll give you that.

LexLuther[/QUOTE]

Agreed - but doesn't all that make chasing this alluring tigress more fun?

I'll be in HCMC (D1) from Dec. 5th thru the 20th. I anyone wants to meet up for a drink PM me. It's been close to a year since my last visit and would be nice to talk to someone who knows the lay of the land.

Got in to HCM after 17 hour flight and needed to release. It was noon time and ready to do some mongering. Headed for HBT and found one that was just opening. Went in for beer and sure enough, on ger came over. She was good enough for me. Probably a 7. 5 to 8. Slender and small boobs. Don't like the big fat jugs.

Took her out and $50 later was done. No more blue balls. Got her number and told her I will call her the next day for an afternoon delight and she can avoid the Mamasan tax. She is all over it.

Gunna go tothe zoo and look for the drive bys next. Up for the challenge.

I visited Kimdo Royal Hotel's "health club" last night and relatively had a good visit, but I have to let others know the following:

1. Cost of body massage: 160,000 VND (~ 10 dollars)
2. Tip for the HJ: 300,000 VND (~ 20 dollars)

I had prepared myself with the info that it costed 100 K for the massage and 100 K ~ 200 K for the tip, but apparently now this is the going rate at Kimdo or I was just one of the dumb tourist.

I had a good massage from a rather cute girl and HJ was just okay. My mission for the night was accomplished which was just that: Good massage and a release.

I was scared to get on one of those moped and go God knows where in HCMC.

[QUOTE=Bae Yong Joon]I visited Kimdo Royal Hotel's "health club" last night and relatively had a good visit, but I have to let others know the following:

1. Cost of body massage: 160,000 VND (~ 10 dollars)
2. Tip for the HJ: 300,000 VND (~ 20 dollars)

I had prepared myself with the info that it costed 100 K for the massage and 100 K ~ 200 K for the tip, but apparently now this is the going rate at Kimdo or I was just one of the dumb tourist.

I had a good massage from a rather cute girl and HJ was just okay. My mission for the night was accomplished which was just that: Good massage and a release.

I was scared to get on one of those moped and go God knows where in HCMC.[/QUOTE]

Rate used to be 120,000 VND for massage and another 120,000 VND for HJ there. You should never tip >150,000 VND for a HJ in Saigon. The rate just keeps on going up and getting lousy.

[QUOTE=Bae Yong Joon]I visited Kimdo Royal Hotel's "health club" last night and relatively had a good visit, but I have to let others know the following:

1. Cost of body massage: 160,000 VND (~ 10 dollars)
2. Tip for the HJ: 300,000 VND (~ 20 dollars)

I had prepared myself with the info that it costed 100 K for the massage and 100 K ~ 200 K for the tip, but apparently now this is the going rate at Kimdo or I was just one of the dumb tourist.

I had a good massage from a rather cute girl and HJ was just okay. My mission for the night was accomplished which was just that: Good massage and a release.

I was scared to get on one of those moped and go God knows where in HCMC.[/QUOTE]

There are two issues with massage joints in HCMC. You are not able to select the girl and they have this ridiculous locker and shorts thing going.

At the massage at the Grand Hotel on Dong Khoi you can at least bypass the shorts thing and there are a couple of nice ladies that you can sample and ask for next time.

120k + 150k is about it today for a furtive HJ. If the girl takes a risk to do a little more then a bit more tip is appropriate.

There was a recent police crackdown the other day here among the small GF hotels. The president was in town and they did a typical sweep berfore hand and scared the GF hotels into "watching it" for the next few days. However, the GF hotel I am at still let them in before 11 pm as long as they were out by 12. NO LT for the time being. So it just shifted my strategy a bit and got them in before 11 pm for the ST. Otherwise, go to Mini hotel. I choose not to go as it adds another $10-20 USD on to the total.

HBT bars are ok. One thing about bar fines is that at 49 and 51, the mamasan insists on the 6 drink "bar fine". The others will let you have just one drink and go. The girl must pay the balance of the bar fine when she gets back. Better her then me. 51 actually has a room upstairs when in a pinch.

Street action at night, go around the Bong Sen or Sheraton after 11 pm in disctrict 1. Some girls randomly walking around or riding on motorbikes looking for action. THey will spot you and eye you if you jsut hang out for a bit. They will also be around the Careville out front driving. Just hang out, sit on side of street inconspicous and they will approach. Usually after 10-11. Some nice ones can be found with patience.

Massage
Went to Yawarda thai massage just across Sheraton. Went up 10 min. before closing. No customers were up there so I was only one. Could bargain for more if you like as nobody around to check whats going on. After bargaining, this one stripped down all the way, autoroam, play with anything!

[QUOTE=Bae Yong Joon]I visited Kimdo Royal Hotel's "health club" last night and relatively had a good visit, but I have to let others know the following:

1. Cost of body massage: 160,000 VND (~ 10 dollars)
2. Tip for the HJ: 300,000 VND (~ 20 dollars)

I had prepared myself with the info that it costed 100 K for the massage and 100 K ~ 200 K for the tip, but apparently now this is the going rate at Kimdo or I was just one of the dumb tourist.

I had a good massage from a rather cute girl and HJ was just okay. My mission for the night was accomplished which was just that: Good massage and a release.

I was scared to get on one of those moped and go God knows where in HCMC.[/QUOTE]My experience is similar to yours. I should say at the outset that I am caucasian, which might make a difference. In other words, the girls usually insist that the cost is 300k. One even told me the caucasian cost was 300k, while the asian cost was 200k. I responded that I pay caucasian women 300k, while only pay asian women 200k, which confused her greatly.

I can usually get them down to 200k but their attitude is typically not so good, nor is mine, after all the hysteronics. I once had a girl at the Bong Seng Hotel on DK refuse when I stuck to 200k, and she was not even so hot. I think when they get a caucasian they think they've deserve more based on bullshit stories they tell each other and the general fleece the foreigner attitude in VN and elsewhere. I also hear them brag about the what the japanese give them. In the near future, I may go to 250k or 300k PROVIDED I get to touch everywhere, etc. (which sometimes occurs for the lesser amount).

Bae Yong Joon and Drano,

Kimdo could cost more than other places. I remember Continental cost of massage is around 180 or 200k. Tip is ~150K. However, You guy got robbed! Next time go with a Vietnamese guy (local or vk) so he can talk the girls down. I brough my friends with me and the girls dared to ask my friends 3x the going tip. My friends came to me for help and I told the girls to get lost or I report them to the manager. They fleed so fast... But I doubt if you can get away without tipping more if you are all by yourself.

[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]Bae Yong Joon and Drano,

Kimdo could cost more than other places. I remember Continental cost of massage is around 180 or 200k. Tip is ~150K. However, You guy got robbed! Next time go with a Vietnamese guy (local or vk) so he can talk the girls down. I brough my friends with me and the girls dared to ask my friends 3x the going tip. My friends came to me for help and I told the girls to get lost or I report them to the manager. They fleed so fast... But I doubt if you can get away without tipping more if you are all by yourself.[/QUOTE]It's silly to tip the Masseuse more than 150 K, the most that I tipped to these greedy bunch is 100K that is HJ included, they 're all think money is falling from the sky! Let them starve!

Hi to the VT regulars.
I am planning on going to Dao Phu Quoc in january. I have done a search, but nothing. is there anything going on there?
Also will a HCM regular be around in january? I have been to HCM once, but it was a long time ago, and after RTFF, it seems it is easy to get taken for a ride in this lovely town. Anyone wish to take a newbie around?

thanks in advance.

Joe Bob --- You did it even better than locals. However, it also depends on locations which determine how much you should pay. On the outskirts of SG there are places you can tip the girls only 60K and get a bbbjtcim.

1ball --- Phu Quoc is an island where mongering activity is very limited. In order to find girls in these unfamiliar areas you should try to be friendly to the bellboys at your hotel (hopefully you don't choose a state-owned hotel). Tip them 20K to 30K and then ask them to bring girls to your room. Do not try to go by yourself to other places (far away from the hotel where you stay) because you can get hurt. Sometimes you can get girls from motocycle drivers. Ask them to bring the girls to your room.

Silly puppy, thanks for the tip, though I am surprized. Are you saying the horror stories I have read about getting in trouble in HCM are going on in far away places also? Are there no nice bars, where one can go in and have a drink, and chat to a couple of girls?

1ball: I can't answer your question accurately enough because I've never been in PQ. However, I have been in small cities/districts and these areas are difficult to find girls. The reason is that good or decent looking girls go to big cities to meet people like us and they DON'T want to work in their home town for being afraid of bringing shame to their families. There are possibly some little bars for you to have drinks, and hopefully, some girls to flirt with. But I am not so sure. Local girls don't go out with strangers, let alone foreigners. To have better chance you must stay longer (weeks or months) or go to Saigon.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Hi to the VT regulars.
I am planning on going to Dao Phu Quoc in january. I have done a search, but nothing. is there anything going on there?
Also will a HCM regular be around in january? I have been to HCM once, but it was a long time ago, and after RTFF, it seems it is easy to get taken for a ride in this lovely town. Anyone wish to take a newbie around?

thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

i'm sitting in my HCMC room right now, trying to figure out what can be found here to match LOS....not coming to any great conclusions.

calling for in house $100 ST and $150 LT according to my local partners. last visit back nov 2005, got girl from bar for ST $70, what a fucking waste

Sorry to hear Traveller is having such a hard time. On my recent trip I enjoyed in house over night for $60USD with no haggeling and excellent service. Except for the incessant cell phone ringing. Price varies as does serice but maybe it's your contacts that are the problem.

Dragonfly,

I will be in HCMC in Jan 2. I would love your contact for the in house services. Do you also have any contact for Hue.

Pham2929

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]i'm sitting in my HCMC room right now, trying to figure out what can be found here to match LOS....not coming to any great conclusions.

calling for in house $100 ST and $150 LT according to my local partners. last visit back nov 2005, got girl from bar for ST $70, what a fucking waste[/QUOTE]

Rules for HCMC.

#1 do NOT stay in 2,3,4,5 star hotels. Stay in small GF hotel that is less than $30 per night.

#2 do not go to places like Catwalk or Club Renaissance unless you want to fork out over US$100 for a primma donna. Same with call for delivery.

#3 scout the bars but avoid those bars where the mamasan is greedy. You can still get LT with good lookers for $50-60 but some of the mamas either want more or want 5-6 minimum lady drinks.

#4 negotiate with bar girls and massage girls to meet outside

#5 keep an eye out for nice freelancers around the D1 area.

In HCMC you can not just walk up and pay for action as easily as LOS. It akes a little more patience and negotiating. On the other hand I have found that much more freindly experiences can be had without the problems of flighty pro bar girls.

Sudsoz, you give some good advice.

I have gone through 30 or so pages, and it seems things are all over the place. Can you elaborate a little on your point number 3? I am used to LOS, and JKT, where you can go to different bars, have a few drinks and a few laughs, nego directly with a girl, and off you go. it seems not to work that way in Vietnam. I am not interested in having a girl knock on my door, i like a bit of "let's get to know each other" first. So where can we find this, if at all? Also what is the best area to stay in to be farily close? I was there 7 years ago, so memory is a bit foggy, I think I remember an area which had quite a few backpackers, travel shops, etc, maybe near the river? I was not alone, so didn't investigate the scene though. Am I on the right track?

thanks

Hey guys, sorry for the delay in responding to questions. I haven't been on the site lately. My sincere apology!

Silly Puppy - Thanks for handling the clarification of my posting for The Chief.

The Chief - Just FYI. I am caucasian but have worked in a Vietnamese community in the States for more than 10 years. I have learned the culture very well and have many Vietnamese friends. When in Vietnam, you must remember it is nothing more than a "game" or sort of like haggling on the price of a car. Caucasians are at a disadvantage from the beginning so you must remember how the game is played. The massage girls are superb players no matter how young. They usually start with the sweet smiles and giggles while sizing you up. This will usually get the typical caucasian to drop his guard down a notch or two. Then the broken English small talk begins which will almost always include, "This you first time Vietnam?". If you answer yes, they automatically assume you are uninformed and your price for HJ/Happy Ending just went up. The massage girls always start negotiations high but will always come down. Remember, the massage girls are typically hustling 12-14 hours each day. It is no accident that the Happy Ending tip negotiation doesn't begin until you are laying there with your tool at attention. The girls know at this point you just want relief and you are more vulnerable to overpaying just to get that much needed release. I can't fault the girls for hustling. I too want to get paid as much as possible for my work. Then again, when I spend my hard earned dollar I want the best quality for the lowest price obtainable. I suggest going in with a set price in mind and stick with it. I always do and always leave happy. Hope this helps!!

Goober - I apologize for taking so long to respond.

The police came to my hotel lobby and simply checked passports along with VN identification cards. They were checking to make sure there were enough rooms for the number of passports and ID cards held at the front desk. The staff at my hotel get nervous rather quickly these days since one of the night time clerks was arrested earlier this year for promotion of prostitution (pimping). He was working at another hotel the night he was arrested so it hasn't brought any unwanted attention to my favorite hotel. The guys there are still a little jumpy at times.

Just a suggestion. When my buddy and I travel together we always stay in separate rooms. If our hotel insists on our overnight guests having their own room then we rent one room for the girls to share and split the cost between the two of us. Of course, the girls never use the room but all of the bases are covered.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]i'm sitting in my HCMC room right now, trying to figure out what can be found here to match LOS....not coming to any great conclusions.

calling for in house $100 ST and $150 LT according to my local partners. last visit back nov 2005, got girl from bar for ST $70, what a fucking waste[/QUOTE]Traveler1234,

The easiest solution to your problem would be to take a taxi to a disco called GOSSIP. I don't remember the exact address but it is in Dist. 1 or very close. All of the taxi drivers will know the place. It is a nice place but the techno music is a bit loud for my taste. The staff will treat you very well and the place is loaded with pro and semi-pro working girls. You can't miss. Just remember to make repeated eye contact with any female that interests you and does not have a male companion. They will let you know if they are mutually interested by the same constant eye contact and then a smile or giggle. At that point, the only thing left is price negotiation. They will always start at $80.00 US for ST and $100.00 US (1.6 million VN) for LT or all night. Some will come down in price and some will not. The club closes at midnight so you can wait until the last couple of songs and usually get a better deal. Some money is better than no money for the night!! The selection of girls has always been outstanding when I have gone. This is not your cheapest avenue in HCMC but one of the easiest when in a bind.

Wished I was there to help you out. Good Luck!!

I have to agree with Sudoz's advice ,his informaion has always been spot on.I have personally withdrawn[ most of the time ] from mongering in Ho Chi Minh City due to my personal circumstances here ,mainly now Phnom Penh and Bangkok.

The area you are talking about is Pham Nga Lao, One Ball , I was down there last weekend with some friends on last weekend and the going rate with a good looker was 700,000--1 mill long time.Be careful tho lots of druggies.

I agree with Sudoz, good girls in many bars HBT and Smilies etc but get their numbers, much cheaper [good for daytime action 2]

Hope this is useful.

Shearer

PS: I posted that the Sports Bar Latin was shutting down -could have a reprieve,but not so sure about the girly Saigon Bar.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Sudsoz, you give some good advice.

I have gone through 30 or so pages, and it seems things are all over the place. Can you elaborate a little on your point number 3? I am used to LOS, and JKT, where you can go to different bars, have a few drinks and a few laughs, nego directly with a girl, and off you go. it seems not to work that way in Vietnam. I am not interested in having a girl knock on my door, i like a bit of "let's get to know each other" first. So where can we find this, if at all? Also what is the best area to stay in to be farily close? I was there 7 years ago, so memory is a bit foggy, I think I remember an area which had quite a few backpackers, travel shops, etc, maybe near the river? I was not alone, so didn't investigate the scene though. Am I on the right track?

thanks[/QUOTE]

The girls in the bars (as distinct from freelancers in discos) are tied to the bar and the mamasan controls prices and negotiations. Some of the bars have recently been trying to impose a minimum lady drinks level before you go out - effectively a bar fine. But 6 LD can be US$60 and the same again for the girl makes it very expensive. Others are just trying to push the prices up - one recently wanted $80 for a SYT and would not negotiate. But there are atill several that are more reasonable about it.

Compared to LOS the girls in Vietnam seem a little more natural and less commercial but if the prices go up then they become less attractive.

There are a number of small GF hotels near Benh Than market an more near the backpackers area but I prefer the small hotels in the centre of Dictrict 1 around Mac Thi Boui and off Hai Bai Trung.

[QUOTE=Tricky Richard]Hey guys, sorry for the delay in responding to questions. I haven't been on the site lately. My sincere apology!

Silly Puppy - Thanks for handling the clarification of my posting for The Chief.

The Chief - Just FYI. I am caucasian but have worked in a Vietnamese community in the States for more than 10 years. I have learned the culture very well and have many Vietnamese friends. When in Vietnam, you must remember it is nothing more than a "game" or sort of like haggling on the price of a car. Caucasians are at a disadvantage from the beginning so you must remember how the game is played. The massage girls are superb players no matter how young. They usually start with the sweet smiles and giggles while sizing you up. This will usually get the typical caucasian to drop his guard down a notch or two. Then the broken English small talk begins which will almost always include, "This you first time Vietnam?". If you answer yes, they automatically assume you are uninformed and your price for HJ/Happy Ending just went up. The massage girls always start negotiations high but will always come down. Remember, the massage girls are typically hustling 12-14 hours each day. It is no accident that the Happy Ending tip negotiation doesn't begin until you are laying there with your tool at attention. The girls know at this point you just want relief and you are more vulnerable to overpaying just to get that much needed release. I can't fault the girls for hustling. I too want to get paid as much as possible for my work. Then again, when I spend my hard earned dollar I want the best quality for the lowest price obtainable. I suggest going in with a set price in mind and stick with it. I always do and always leave happy. Hope this helps!![/QUOTE]

This is a very enlightened view from someone from the US. These comments about massage girls apply to the bar girls and mamasans as well. Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate and then do it some more.

Had dinner at Legends Hotel w/ client and as I was leaving, swore saw a few FL walk up to receptionist to get their ID....hmmmm and I thought 4 and 5 star were strict?

Thanks for all's advice. Agree with S's advice, except when on business, I don't have the time or energy to follow them....LOL.

Next visit, will try to find some spare time to roam around.

So what I am reading here, is there are NO FL bars in SGN? it seems strange that there is no venue for the secretary looking for a few extra dongs at the end of the month to make ends meet.
So where do these girls go to round off the month?

Lot's of good chat lately. Maybe it's another sign of the economic "boom. " My impression is that the very safest approach for f/s for a newcomer/short time visitor who doesn't speak vietnamese is to go for the bar girls on HBT because they are at least regulated a bit by the mamasan. The downside is that the girls are not always the hottest, and of course there is the cost of dealing with the middleman, or should I say middlemama. Still, I'm wondering how safe it is to go with the girls to the hotel of her choice? I like this approach because she'll feel comforable and I appreciate the "full service" as long as I'm not looking over my shoulder too much. I assume the bar owns the hotel and tries to avoid uncessary hassles. Thoughts? Horror stories? Reassurance?

Thanks,

Drano

[QUOTE=Drano]Lot's of good chat lately. Maybe it's another sign of the economic "boom. " My impression is that the very safest approach for f/s for a newcomer/short time visitor who doesn't speak vietnamese is to go for the bar girls on HBT because they are at least regulated a bit by the mamasan. The downside is that the girls are not always the hottest, and of course there is the cost of dealing with the middleman, or should I say middlemama. Still, I'm wondering how safe it is to go with the girls to the hotel of her choice? I like this approach because she'll feel comforable and I appreciate the "full service" as long as I'm not looking over my shoulder too much. I assume the bar owns the hotel and tries to avoid uncessary hassles. Thoughts? Horror stories? Reassurance?

Thanks,

Drano[/QUOTE]


I have never used the short time hotels as I organise to use the GF ones.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Had dinner at Legends Hotel w/ client and as I was leaving, swore saw a few FL walk up to receptionist to get their ID....hmmmm and I thought 4 and 5 star were strict?

Thanks for all's advice. Agree with S's advice, except when on business, I don't have the time or energy to follow them....LOL.

Next visit, will try to find some spare time to roam around.[/QUOTE]

I am a consultant and my VN clients are very happy that I choose to use the hotels on MBT. They sometimes get involved with the fun. We often use the facilities of the Renaissance and Sheraton iof it suits for meetings etc etc but I don't bother staying there.

These small hotels offer excellent and very personalised service, they have internet access that works quite well and are really quite comfortable.

Not quite the same as the Marriot or the Westin in BKK I must admit.

[QUOTE=1Ball]So what I am reading here, is there are NO FL bars in SGN? it seems strange that there is no venue for the secretary looking for a few extra dongs at the end of the month to make ends meet.
So where do these girls go to round off the month?[/QUOTE]

There are FL bars like Acopolypse (spelling) which is a noisy time wasting affair and I am hearing of others such as Gossip that I intend to check out next time I am in town.

However there is nothing like Orchard Towers in Singapore or the Nana car park in BKK.

Over time I have developed private arrangements with bar girls and massage girls and I am sure others can do the same with a bit of diligence and patience.

Then there are things like the SYT marketing executive who diligently put her mammaries in my face while I activated her Wi-Fi in the coffeee shop! You can never plan those.

Two of the five star hotels that have nightclubs in SGN are the New World (Catwalk Club) and Renaissance (not sure of the name of the club).

Both of the clubs (for want of a word) have some pretty attractive ladies that go for US$100 or therabouts.

Recently I was at lunch at the (very good) Chinese Restaurant on the first floor of the Renaissance and I stumbled across what appeared to be a back entrance to the club right next to the guest elevators. It appeared to me that it would be possible to take a lady from the club and go directly to the guest rooms without going anywhere near the ground floor reception. Of course you would not have the security of reception holding the ID.

The club was not open when I last stayed at Renaissance so I never tried.

Catwalk at New World has an upstairs section and possibly has a similar arrangement.

At Caravelle this can not happen because the top floor uses a separate elevator but at Sheraton it could also work.

Might be worth investigation for those of you who are so inclined.

Have wondered about this myself. You might want to be sure to check if there are any hotel security cameras that monitor those elevators, or the corriders leading to those elevators.



[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Two of the five star hotels that have nightclubs in SGN are the New World (Catwalk Club) and Renaissance (not sure of the name of the club).

Both of the clubs (for want of a word) have some pretty attractive ladies that go for US$100 or therabouts.

Recently I was at lunch at the (very good) Chinese Restaurant on the first floor of the Renaissance and I stumbled across what appeared to be a back entrance to the club right next to the guest elevators. It appeared to me that it would be possible to take a lady from the club and go directly to the guest rooms without going anywhere near the ground floor reception. Of course you would not have the security of reception holding the ID.

The club was not open when I last stayed at Renaissance so I never tried.

Catwalk at New World has an upstairs section and possibly has a similar arrangement.

At Caravelle this can not happen because the top floor uses a separate elevator but at Sheraton it could also work.

Might be worth investigation for those of you who are so inclined.[/QUOTE]

It was possible to slip someone from the Saigon Bar back to your room. Instead of using the bar elevator go left and straight across to where the “Signature” rooms are. From there go down the hall and make a right to regular elevators. Sometimes the hotel will have a staff member right outside the bar door, making this impossible. But if no one is there, or you wait for them to leave, this will work. At least it worked for me about a year ago.

Mini-hotels on Le Lai street, Dist.1, are friendly and price starting 150-200k. Also Bui Thi Xuan street is okay. Some can be rent by hour.

I prefer freelancers in Gossip, Volcano, you can negociate for 1Mil for the night. A charmer can get as low as 500k. Talk to a few, get all their number and call the next day for coffee and negociate. Other clubs are Lu, Lush, Napoli/Aqua, Apo, Liquid, Qbar.

Street action such as Tu Xuong are cheap, 100-200k but no looker. In other districts, the pimp on bike calls out the girls for you to choose, you can find a jewel 300-500k for the night.

After midnight some will snack at restaurant Tan Hai Van on Nguyen Trai street, there you can have a good look and make a move.

This will be my first time to Vietnam on business, what I learned so far is that factory workers there get about 2/3 of what they get in China where I am based.

Now in China, we pay about 20-30 USD for a good fuck only (no massage included), so since Vietnam is cheaper shouldnt the gentlemen's entertainment be cheaper as well? I am reading prices of 1m V$, that's so much, isnt' there any other place where it's safe and you'll get your basic deal for less?

Let me know where, and feel free to message me to go mongering together when I'm there.

[QUOTE=peterhk]This will be my first time to Vietnam on business, what I learned so far is that factory workers there get about 2/3 of what they get in China where I am based.

Now in China, we pay about 20-30 USD for a good fuck only (no massage included), so since Vietnam is cheaper shouldnt the gentlemen's entertainment be cheaper as well? I am reading prices of 1m V$, that's so much, isnt' there any other place where it's safe and you'll get your basic deal for less?

Let me know where, and feel free to message me to go mongering together when I'm there.[/QUOTE]

What you are reading and the comparison you draw with China is dead right.
And yet we still hear of guys paying US$60 - $100 becuase it is 'so cheap'. Also watch out for bar owners with minimum lady drink requirements.

In the end it is all negotiable and the best thing to do is to walk away from a deal that is a bit rich.



Be aware of the issues with bringing visitors to the big hotels

Just seeing if there are any details on this place? Off to HCM soon and would love to check it out.

Also, is there a consensus for the best massage in town? Read about a few hotels below, though just wanted to check on popular opinion.

As mentioned by Sudsoz, the club that is located behind Rennasaince Hotel is called Club Royal. The entrance is located on Ngo Duc Ke Street D1, it is not really connected to the hotel. If you are facing the Hotel entrance, its on your right hand side. It is owned by the same owner of Catwalk (International Tourist Club) The set up is very similar to Catwalk only on a very much smaller scale.

Club Royal is spread over 2 floors. The first floor is a simple bar with bar stools and sofa seats wrapping the wall with Open Karaoke concept. The 2nd floor has the same concept only with an additional area for a live band. Its is also on the second floor where the casino is located.

Quality of gers are considered second rated to Catwalk, at least in my opinion.

Also below is the link to what I wrote about Catwalk. The info is current

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1049[/url]

[QUOTE=Kanda]Just seeing if there are any details on this place? Off to HCM soon and would love to check it out.

Also, is there a consensus for the best massage in town? Read about a few hotels below, though just wanted to check on popular opinion.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe there is a 'no hands' restaurant in SGN - in BKK I suspect.

Massage is a bit hit and miss with no choice of lady, change into their shorts routine at many places. Read forum for details.

I know this has been brought up before but with minimal response. Anyhow, anyone with any knowledge regarding these restaurants that are popping up all over HCMC catering mainly to Japanese clientele? They seem very seclusive and dark. Just wondering.

Thanks for the answers!

Well I will be staying at the Windsor Plaza (5 Star), will that be a problem? Also is there any place where the brothel supplies a room?

[QUOTE=Txmanny]I know this has been brought up before but with minimal response. Anyhow, anyone with any knowledge regarding these restaurants that are popping up all over HCMC catering mainly to Japanese clientele? They seem very seclusive and dark. Just wondering.[/QUOTE]

There was some inconclusive discussion of this a few months back. There are a lot of Japanese bars around Le Duan are where the very attractive girls seem to spill out at midnight. Some of these seem quite large and some quite small.
I went into one of the small ones about 6pm about a month ago and there were four women of varying degrees of unattractiveness and I was offered a BJ on the billiard table upstairs. I passed.
We need intelligence on these places but I suspect that take-out prices are quite high and we are seeing the flow over of this at the HBT bars and elsewhere.

[QUOTE=peterhk]Thanks for the answers!

Well I will be staying at the Windsor Plaza (5 Star), will that be a problem? Also is there any place where the brothel supplies a room?[/QUOTE]

First off do not expect to bring your date in and past the front desk as you go up to your room. My understanding is that the Windsor is Gov't owned and there is no hanky-panky.

The bar girls will be able to take you to various short time hotels that cost about $20 or so but I do not like these on grounds of cost security and comfort.

My suggestion is that if you decide tonight is the night you walk across the road a bit and check into one of the hotels in Mac Thi Boui (say $25 with breakfast) and go hunting from there.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Two of the five star hotels that have nightclubs in SGN are the New World (Catwalk Club) and Renaissance (not sure of the name of the club).

Both of the clubs (for want of a word) have some pretty attractive ladies that go for US$100 or therabouts.

Recently I was at lunch at the (very good) Chinese Restaurant on the first floor of the Renaissance and I stumbled across what appeared to be a back entrance to the club right next to the guest elevators. It appeared to me that it would be possible to take a lady from the club and go directly to the guest rooms without going anywhere near the ground floor reception. Of course you would not have the security of reception holding the ID.

The club was not open when I last stayed at Renaissance so I never tried.

Catwalk at New World has an upstairs section and possibly has a similar arrangement.

At Caravelle this can not happen because the top floor uses a separate elevator but at Sheraton it could also work.

Might be worth investigation for those of you who are so inclined.[/QUOTE]THe address of Club Royal is:
1, Ngo Duc Ke D1

The address for Catwalk is;
76 Le Lai Street D1

Also, the hottest club in town right is called Club Volcano located at
148 Cong Quynh D1

and of course,the "internationally recognised" Gossip
79, Tran Hung Dao D1

[QUOTE=peterhk]This will be my first time to Vietnam on business, what I learned so far is that factory workers there get about 2/3 of what they get in China where I am based.

Now in China, we pay about 20-30 USD for a good fuck only (no massage included), so since Vietnam is cheaper shouldnt the gentlemen's entertainment be cheaper as well? I am reading prices of 1m V$, that's so much, isnt' there any other place where it's safe and you'll get your basic deal for less?

Let me know where, and feel free to message me to go mongering together when I'm there.[/QUOTE]


to peter hk

I am not sure which part of China you are at but it is all supply and demand most place in china is cheaper like shenzhen or dongguan mongering and hotel is cheaper than HMC , if you go to shanghai or bejing cost will be higher than most area of vietnam .

fast eddie 48

Well it is 5 years since I've been to HCM but I intend to return in April.

From what has been said on these pages there seems to be an explosion in prices since I was there last.

What are prices like around Pham Ngo Lao St and the backpacker area.

I have a girlfriend in LeeLoi St but I like some outside action as well.

Can anyone help me with information?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to peter hk

I am not sure which part of China you are at but it is all supply and demand most place in china is cheaper like shenzhen or dongguan mongering and hotel is cheaper than HMC , if you go to shanghai or bejing cost will be higher than most area of vietnam .

fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]In addition to Fast Eddie,

In Guangzhou China, short time can be 200 yuan (25usd) and overnight 350-400yuan (50usd). But if you want highclass you have to pay 350-500yuan ST.

In HCM, short time can be 300k vnd (20usd) and overnight 500k-600k (40usd). Highclass can be had at 500-800k vnd (50usd) ST.

Price are comparable. And in both places you can find cheaper or more expensive. The problem with Vietnam is that you must negociate! They think they worth more because they are ignorant of outside world. Merchandise food services girls, you have to negociate. Girls in clubs often starts 100usd which is crazy, and they usually refuse if you basic bargain, so you must use art of negociation. It's a pain compare to china.

In hcm, if you want cheap you have to go outside district 1,3,5. You have to go with a local friend or xe om/taxi. They will bring you to area where macro calls the girls out for u to choose. It's a bit scarier and not really recommended for short business/vacation trip. 150-200k short time, 300-400k night.

Have been to VN approx 2 times per year for several years. Early years did the Paradise bar and Sun Moon bar thing (both no longer there), ending up at mini hotels for the night. Never a problem but always felt risky.

However, during those early years quite innocently?? developed ongoing dialogue with several non p4p girls (tailor shop, hotel reception, restaurant, and non p4p bars in HCMC, NhaTrang and DaLat).

now have several of the above meeting and traveling with me on my trips there. They can't go to a hotel in their home town, but everything is easy when they are bona fide travellers themselves. There was only one time some years ago when i had to sign some sort of form that we were "married" - this to get into the AnaMandara in NhaTrang!

If you have time then loads of fun :-)

Ozirob

FYI:

This is an update for you guys if you are planning your trip around Febuary 2007.

TET holidays are scheduled for 17 Febuary 2007 / Saturday - 20 Febuary 2007 / Tuesday.

16 Febuary 2007 / Friday is a Half day.

Most will be travelling back to their home towns and alot of businesses will be shut. To what extend, I have no idea. Have yet to spend a TET holiday in Vietnam.

Will be in HCMC 12-28-06. Will be there approx 3 wks. If someone is interested in having a drink let me know.

Arrived in town and noticed last night there is a new bar near the Thang Long Hotel on Mac Thi Boui. Was with folks last night and could not check it out.

Anyone with info? Quality, rates etc?

Hi Sudsoz,

I think its the old Billard Cafe that was 2 doors away from Shadow Bar at MTB. The place that use to house the "cafe" has been bought over and is under renovation so I thnk they moved a few more doors futher up. THe guys stationed outside look the same to me.

Have not been to any of the shops yet becuase its not my scene but I hope the info helps

Cheers

[QUOTE=Newbie]Hi Sudsoz,

I think its the old Billard Cafe that was 2 doors away from Shadow Bar at MTB. The place that use to house the "cafe" has been bought over and is under renovation so I thnk they moved a few more doors futher up. THe guys stationed outside look the same to me.

Have not been to any of the shops yet becuase its not my scene but I hope the info helps

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Yes its the old Billiard Bar girls with a few extras. A few months back they moved to a location near the river past the Riverside and now they seem to have come back to town.

When I enquired they were making noises about a $20 bar fine. There was nothing special on offer at that time so I passed. I figure that making a protest about the price always improves your bargaining base next time.

Will try to get in there a bit earlier in the evening to see what they have on the shelves.

The same night (Saturday) the corner bar (HBT & MTB) had nothing spectacular and U2 had uglies.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Will try to get in there a bit earlier in the evening to see what they have on the shelves.

The same night (Saturday) the corner bar (HBT & MTB) had nothing spectacular and U2 had uglies.[/QUOTE]The only I reason i go to MTB is for the awesome wanton noodles there..though lately..the standard seems to have dropped.

Anyways, was having dinner ther a few nights back adn most of the girls some in about 6.30-7pm and I do agree with you, nothing spectacular, very very very ordinary in fact. even saw one of the girls being dropped of outside U2 by her boyfriend who was one of the "tourist police"

However, will be heading to Tu Xuan one day. Heard from a friend that there are some lookers over there.

You have any info?

Cheers

Came back from a a quick trip to HCMC. Stayed at the Bong Sen on HBT. Was on business so much of mongering had to be done in a hurry so didn't negotiate best prices but this is what I got up to.

Day 1: Arrived about midday. Checked into hotel and then went out to Cafe Latin for lunch. Wandering back to hotel was beckoned into Bar 51 on HBT. Went in for a beer. An old ugly sat next to me and I told I wasn't interested. However girl serving behind the bar was young and cute. Asked her if she would sit with me. After a bit of negotiation was sat in the upstairs pool room getting BBBJ/CIM for US$25.

Business meetings that night but once I was on my own called in to Bar 49 (I think - couple of doors down from the afternoon blowjob bar). Was just going to have a drink and a fool around but I grabbed a good looker (8 on my scale) as I walked through the door - I never accept the next in line unless she is a looker, always choose my own. Decided I liked her so much that I would go with her to minihotel. US$40 I think but am a bit hazy (lots to drink at this point). Fancied something different so asked if she had a friend. She said she would call someone when we left the bar. Met the other girl at the hotel (also pretty good ,a 7 with big tits) where they played together a bit in the shower and then we all went to bed. BBBJ and FJ with both and then CIM with the one from the bar. Great time. Back to Bong Sen and bed.

Day 2: Meetings all day though had a quick break for a head and shoulder massage in lace opposite Cafe Latin at lunchtime. Very relaxing. That evening had dinner and went to Catwalk with colleague. Just looked - absolute stuners but I expected very expensive as were a lot of Japanese business men. May try again next time I am in HCMC.

Decided move down the scale and went to U2. Standard of the girls is fairl poor but using my usual technique grabbed a reasonably young and attarctive one as I came through the door. Main entertainment in this bar was watching some guy in the back room having a blowjob performed by what seemd about 3 girls. When I went to the toilets could see he was bollock naked - don't know what he would have done if there was a raid. Was offered a BJ out back by my girl or to go to a room upstairs. I declined because night was quite young and I wanted to do some more exploring.

Went out of U2 and turned right. A few doors down went into another bar can't remeber the name)and managed too grab a stunner at the door. Was chatting to her (kind of, her English was poor). Hands wandered under skirt where, bingo, no underwear. Let my fingers roam and bought her a few drinks. Room available at the back but decided to go back to hotel - needed to get some more money. So promised her I would be back, but never made it.

Went back to my room. To get back to the girl had to pass Bar 51 and found myself dragged in!!!. To cut a long stroy short ended up taking two girls ($40 each) to a mini hotel for BBBJ/FR/AR/CIM. Excellent night.

Day 3: No action - flew home at lunchtime.

From talking to girls I think it would be OK to take them back to Bong Sen before 9pm. Will try next time.

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Was in HCM on a tour. The city was extremely crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty. There was no P4P scene that I know of. Was taken by a tour guide to a karaoke bar in Dist 1 near the river with the promise that sweet young high class girls would go to the hotel for $50. I had excellent experiences with Chinese KTV so I went.

They brought up 2 line up of 8 girls, most 3,4 on the attractiveness scale. Picked one half way decent girl. They brought up 2 cases of beer immediately, then all sort of snacks started to appear on the table. The girls quickly started popping the beers and sample all the snacks. The young girl was grabbing my crotch and encouraged me to feel her up. She asked if I wanted to ask her anything, which I said to go to hotel. She told me she would go for any gift I can give her.... Now I started smelling the bull shit.

More cases of beers and more snacks started to show up without my order. I got pissed off. I called the manager/pimp and told him I would not pay for anything that I did not order. The asshole called up 2 thugs and brought out the bill totaling over US$150. I would not pay. I told him I just wanted the girl to go. He said it's up to the girl. The girl now turned extremely bitchy, started shouting and swearing at me and refusing to go unless I pay up and pay her first. Fuck it. I would never pay her up front for a dumb ugly fucking whoore with bad attitudes. I threatened to call the police. Long arguments ensued which the tour guide was not helping. The fucking pimp finally settled for half the bill for the worthless snacks that his *****s spoiled.

I just gave the asshole the money and got out of the shithole. The Vietnamese has to be the least honest people in all Asia if not the whole world. Fuck the Vietnamese KTV assholes and their ugly *****s who cheat their customers.

I would never come back to Vietnam to deal with these assholes. The Chinese KTV's civilized manners and fairness make the Vietnamese look like stupid fucking savages. These Vietnamese are the stupidest and rudest assholes that all should avoid.

It's funny reading your post. First off, who the hell goes into a KTV to pick up girls. You deserve all you got and should've gotten a beaten for being that stupid. Blame your tour guide for sending you there. That's how the girls work in those ktv bars. If you were smart you would read some the post on here and find out where to get the connections.

The first big mistake you made was to go with a tour guide - anywhere.

The second was to not ask a few questions about KTV in Vietnam where the operations are clearly different to China.

The third is that you went to a dump that is more like a Bia-Om than a classy KTV.

If you RTFF you will find that there are many places to pick up ladies in HCMC and that high class ones can be had for a price at places like Catwalk.

The thing that you have still not discovered is that if you did get to take the girl out the chnaces are that your hotel would not have let her in.

Your insults to HCMC and its friendly people are completely unjustified and you need to learn from this incident that you need to investigate the lay of the land in a new place.

It appears you made a number of assumptions that proved to be wrong. It also appears you know little or nothing of Asian cultures. Who's fault is that?

I'll bet the folks you met have similarly complimentary things to say about you.

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Was in HCM on a tour. The city was extremely crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty. There was no P4P scene that I know of. Was taken by a tour guide to a karaoke bar in Dist 1 near the river with the promise that sweet young high class girls would go to the hotel for $50. I had excellent experiences with Chinese KTV so I went.
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I would never come back to Vietnam to deal with these assholes. The Chinese KTV's civilized manners and fairness make the Vietnamese look like stupid fucking savages. These Vietnamese are the stupidest and rudest assholes that all should avoid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]<...>Your insults to HCMC and its friendly people are completely unjustified and you need to learn from this incident that you need to investigate the lay of the land in a new place.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. It's only wise to get the 'lay of the land' when going to any place new.

FWIW, in the past, I've had no problems with bringing a lady back to the Sofitel, but they were always dressed in normal street attire. I acted quite normally and walked straight in and to the elevators, like a normal couple.

I didn't care for Catwalk, but had girls from local KTV who met me after they finished work at 11pm.

I miss having dinner and a beer at a sidewalk cafe, and watching all the drunkard English teachers in Pham Ngu Lao.

Cheers,
-Y

Yi Ren
I think one wing low is either chinese or has a chinese background.

One wing low
I don't know where you booked your tour or tour guide. They should not take you to these places. The skeem is as old as you. These are usually run by gangsters and you are very lucky for even walking out of there with your limbs intact. If you called Mr. Blow Joe who lives in Timbuktu he could have told you about it. No one fell for it anymore. You are a senior member in this room and posted numerous times. You should have known better to do your homework before arriving. No one but my grandma uses a tour guide when travel. It is what this forum is for.
I know you are frustrated but it's not wise to make such broad comments. This could have happened to you in any country if you don't use your common sense. Maybe you shouldn't do much posting but read more before you travel.

Ye should have stood yer fucking ground and gone mental. Tell them yer just outta jail for GBH.

You should have done a rough check and reckon what ye could get away with, like say 3 beers at disco prices. Once the extra beer appeared, it should have been battle stations, red alert.

Plus the tour guide was in on it or very fucking naiive. I don't think the little **** was kosher, like attached to yer hotel or such.

Ye should have done yer homework but always have a plan B. Those cunts are more scared of the cops that you are.

Yer only out $75, which is only about 10 quid in real money.

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Was in HCM on a tour. The city was extremely crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty. There was no P4P scene that I know of. Was taken by a tour guide to a karaoke bar in Dist 1 near the river with the promise that sweet young high class girls would go to the hotel for $50. I had excellent experiences with Chinese KTV so I went.


Wow..you were surprised that they tried to get one over you. That is a beer om place you went to. No one goes there by themselves to pick up girls. Cause you have to pay for the room fee, beer and snack. Usually poor vietnamese guys go there because it is cheaper for them. People with money go to the high class one with better girls and service. And being a cheap ass, you definitely entered the right room but you just had the wrong attitude thinking that you will get high class girls and service.

Please don't generalize Vietnamese people because of your one bad experience. I don't think all Chinese people are stupid and salvages when they try to pull a fast one on me in Hong Kong.

How did you become senior with over 300 post. Didnt you learn anything from your travels in other asian countries. They are very similar you know.

Hi,

Vietnam is money for product and not money for service. Do not expect more (but doesnt mean you cannot get more). I have little experience with KTV but here goes anyway:

- Never trust xe om, taxi, or guide to take you to a ktv
- Don't tryout any unknown ktv to you
- Only trust friends that already been that ktv
- Don't let driver or guide go in with you (coz u have to pay for them - girl+drinks
- If you are alone, simply dont go to ktv
- Go early about 7-8pm coz good places fills up very fast
- Ask price for an hour at current time. Usually no cover charge.
- Ask if price changes AFTER certain hour (they usually charge more at night)
- Ask them the time, make sure they got it right
- Ask price of different beers, henken, saigon, tiger,...
- They always bring a case (24?) but charge only what u drink
- Don't open anything or let anyone open anything until u choose a girl
- If you don't see a girl u like 1st batch, ask them to bring more
- If you don't see what u like, get out. You don't pay anything
- Stop the girl from opening beers and other stuff
- Make them understand u decide when and for who to open
- You can say share your bottle, and open new one if empty
- Ask the girl to sing, then a sip, let urself loose dont be shy, sing again
- Necogiate 30 minutes before reaching the hour
- If no luck, call mamasan and change girl right away. Give the girl small tip
- If no other girl, pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- If the girl agrees (after her work), pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- Usually pay only time spent and ur drinks. Nothing else to the house
- CHECK your bill and ask for details.
- You should tip the girl a little. Some place its their only income.
- Usually no service inside KTV. Very few have options.

Even though you been very careful some small place might still try to rip u off extra time or something. If its not in a ktv its elsewhere.

If you like to sing (that's what ktv are for hehe), its better to get a girl elsewhere and go to regular ktv.

Teyes,

Great advice. Regardless of country or city, I *never* go any place with anyone that even might have a financial incentive in being there (this is one the of the oldest scams around). That includes all the folks listed below, and more. Think!

I will *only* go with someone in a new city where they have been before, and their only possible incentive is the same as mine: good service (or they are beholden to me for whatever reason).

While none of us wants to see our fellow mongerers taken advanatage of, they also need to take responsiblity for their own actions.

My motto: Do your research, ask your questions, have a good time, and always treat the ladies nicely.

Cheers,
-Y


[QUOTE=Teyes]Hi,

Vietnam is money for product and not money for service. Do not expect more (but doesnt mean you cannot get more). I have little experience with KTV but here goes anyway:

- Never trust xe om, taxi, or guide to take you to a ktv
- Don't tryout any unknown ktv to you
- Only trust friends that already been that ktv
- Don't let driver or guide go in with you (coz u have to pay for them - girl+drinks
- If you are alone, simply dont go to ktv
- Go early about 7-8pm coz good places fills up very fast
- Ask price for an hour at current time. Usually no cover charge.
- Ask if price changes AFTER certain hour (they usually charge more at night)
- Ask them the time, make sure they got it right
- Ask price of different beers, henken, saigon, tiger,...
- They always bring a case (24?) but charge only what u drink
- Don't open anything or let anyone open anything until u choose a girl
- If you don't see a girl u like 1st batch, ask them to bring more
- If you don't see what u like, get out. You don't pay anything
- Stop the girl from opening beers and other stuff
- Make them understand u decide when and for who to open
- You can say share your bottle, and open new one if empty
- Ask the girl to sing, then a sip, let urself loose dont be shy, sing again
- Necogiate 30 minutes before reaching the hour
- If no luck, call mamasan and change girl right away. Give the girl small tip
- If no other girl, pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- If the girl agrees (after her work), pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- Usually pay only time spent and ur drinks. Nothing else to the house
- CHECK your bill and ask for details.
- You should tip the girl a little. Some place its their only income.
- Usually no service inside KTV. Very few have options.

Even though you been very careful some small place might still try to rip u off extra time or something. If its not in a ktv its elsewhere.

If you like to sing (that's what ktv are for hehe), its better to get a girl elsewhere and go to regular ktv.[/QUOTE]

In China forum OWL made many outragous comments and I was surprised why a senior was so naive. Now I understand who he is. In China similar scams are plenty. In a Bia Om place (there are similar small crappy KTV like this in China, too) the risk of getting robbed is extremely high. I got robbed (only a little to my standard) in a Bia Om place in Danang before. They overcharged me 50,000 dong for a beer, couple small bags of peanuts (210,000 dong total) so I only gave the motocycle guy 20,000 telling him to go back and get the money from there. He was pissed but actually went back and screamed the hell out to the owner. He told me the next morning when I was with him on the way to the train station. Well, I am fluent in Vietnamese so it made a big difference.
In Dalian China I got robbed like you. I knew I should have not gotten in such place but my stupid friend insisted. He and I ended up paying the thugs $100 for couple beers and 3 girls. A few months later I came back to the same place and spilled the whole content of an 8 oz crazy glue in the locks in front of their door. Ha ha.... I don't get mad I get even.
You deserved it OWL! You will get robbed even more as people like you'll never learn. If you want to blame anything blame yourself. For your peace of mind I only recommend you to think of it as a cheap lesson. It is rather $75 loss than a beating- up experience, right?

To Billy Ibrox: It may be true that the girls/thugs are afraid of cops more than we are but it is stupid to carry this mental attitude around as we (tourists) don't have time for such trouble. Carrying this attitude around in cheap and dangerous places only gets you more trouble. A $75 payoff is probably better than waiting for police and who knows if police is not the KTV owner's friend? Please do not recommend such naive opinions if you are not one of the locals or are someone who understands the system inside out.

Hi all,

Just got in town last night, will be here until 14th and would love to meet fellow mongerers for beers and chat, to try to et lay ( no pun intended ) of the land. Staying at mini-hotel on Bui Vien street in Dist 1. How can I tell if it is GF? Hope to hear from some of you soon.

Thanks

Frenchy Guy

Hello fellow mongerers,

I will be in town ac ouple of weeks and would love to grab a beer with fellow mongerers to chi chat and get lay ( no pun intended ) of the land.

Hope to hear from you guys.

Frenchy Guy

was taken to ceasar hotel way out in district 8 somewhere, long taxi ride for a prearranged line up of their girls. the place caters to tourists and businessmen from china and taiwan, has a large stage, dance floor an 50 karaoke rooms with about 200 girls.

the mamasan was a tall mid-thirties attractive woman. the assistant mamasan was a petite woman. they called up 2 line ups, picked a tall and pretty girl. she looked very attractive in the low light. the mamasan and her assistant were flirting around, wanted me to sit there and wait 2 hours for shift end. she was available herself and was gonna [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me on the spot. would have been nice to fuck both of them but was stupid to decline her. had to pay $30 sitting fee, tipping the mamasan $15 then the assistant $10, the waiters a few bucks, then $10 front taxi money for the girl, then the $7 taxi ride back to hotel etc...

the girl showed up after midnight, but in the bright light was a big disappointment in the looks dept. she was clearly a farm girl with large arms and legs with scars. her skin was dark and rough. she had large scars and callouses on both hands and feet, her face look odd, like a monkey in the profile...she was such a turn off i was not gonna fuck her. i should have taken the mamasan...at least she looked feminine and civilized.

needless to say i was disgusted and got over the sex act pretty quickly. she complained about the chinese tourists who eat cialis in buckets and fuck her all night until she was all sore... then she wanted to go home early. i did not want to look at someone so ugly so i paid her and told her to go. she wanted taxi money but i told her no.

the commercial sex scene in hcmc is very uncompetitive, inconvenient and expensive. i would probably have had more fun fucking a dog in the middle of the city. hcmc should be avoided for mongering. tourists should bring along their inflatable rubber dolls. they would have much sexier times...

What is wrong with you? You are having a bad experience in HCMC because you are being an idiot. RTFF and find out where to go. For the money you spend you could get a really hot girl from one of the HBT bars.

[quote=one wing low]was taken to ceasar hotel way out in district 8 somewhere, long taxi ride for a prearranged line up of their girls. the place caters to tourists and businessmen from china and taiwan, has a large stage, dance floor an 50 karaoke rooms with about 200 girls.

the mamasan was a tall mid-thirties attractive woman. the assistant mamasan was a petite woman. they called up 2 line ups, picked a tall and pretty girl. she looked very attractive in the low light. the mamasan and her assistant were flirting around, wanted me to sit there and wait 2 hours for shift end. she was available herself and was gonna [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me on the spot. would have been nice to fuck both of them but was stupid to decline her. had to pay $30 sitting fee, tipping the mamasan $15 then the assistant $10, the waiters a few bucks, then $10 front taxi money for the girl, then the $7 taxi ride back to hotel etc...

the girl showed up after midnight, but in the bright light was a big disappointment in the looks dept. she was clearly a farm girl with large arms and legs with scars. her skin was dark and rough. she had large scars and callouses on both hands and feet, her face look odd, like a monkey in the profile...she was such a turn off i was not gonna fuck her. i should have taken the mamasan...at least she looked feminine and civilized.

needless to say i was disgusted and got over the sex act pretty quickly. she complained about the chinese tourists who eat cialis in buckets and fuck her all night until she was all sore... then she wanted to go home early. i did not want to look at someone so ugly so i paid her and told her to go. she wanted taxi money but i told her no.

the commercial sex scene in hcmc is very uncompetitive, inconvenient and expensive. i would probably have had more fun fucking a dog in the middle of the city. hcmc should be avoided for mongering. tourists should bring along their inflatable rubber dolls. they would have much sexier times...[/quote]

you seem to have a lot of trouble in hcmc and you seem to keep going to places not mentioned in the forum.

has it dawned on you that since others here are having a good time and, if you are not, it might just be something you are doing wrong?

it's quite simple and as a senior you should know - rtff.

Maybe it was your ugly country ass that made her want to leave early. What a joke. So you must be one handsome dude that goes to these places to get robbed and blame others for it. You are gonna blame her for working her ass off to get some money. Calysses on her hands and feet. I guess that is something you will never know about..Hard Work just to survive. You ignorant ass. Maybe that rock you crawled out of is better suited for you. You obviously have no people skill. But from your attitude looks like you need to frequent these places. Good luck buddy. I hope you catch the next flight back to that rock and stay there.

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Was in HCM on a tour. The city was extremely crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty. There was no P4P scene that I know of. Was taken by a tour guide to a karaoke bar in Dist 1 near the river with the promise that sweet young high class girls would go to the hotel for $50. I had excellent experiences with Chinese KTV so I went.

They brought up 2 line up of 8 girls, most 3,4 on the attractiveness scale. Picked one half way decent girl. They brought up 2 cases of beer immediately, then all sort of snacks started to appear on the table. The girls quickly started popping the beers and sample all the snacks. The young girl was grabbing my crotch and encouraged me to feel her up. She asked if I wanted to ask her anything, which I said to go to hotel. She told me she would go for any gift I can give her.... Now I started smelling the bull shit.

More cases of beers and more snacks started to show up without my order. I got pissed off. I called the manager/pimp and told him I would not pay for anything that I did not order. The asshole called up 2 thugs and brought out the bill totaling over US$150. I would not pay. I told him I just wanted the girl to go. He said it's up to the girl. The girl now turned extremely bitchy, started shouting and swearing at me and refusing to go unless I pay up and pay her first. Fuck it. I would never pay her up front for a dumb ugly fucking whoore with bad attitudes. I threatened to call the police. Long arguments ensued which the tour guide was not helping. The fucking pimp finally settled for half the bill for the worthless snacks that his *****s spoiled.

I just gave the asshole the money and got out of the shithole. The Vietnamese has to be the least honest people in all Asia if not the whole world. Fuck the Vietnamese KTV assholes and their ugly *****s who cheat their customers.

I would never come back to Vietnam to deal with these assholes. The Chinese KTV's civilized manners and fairness make the Vietnamese look like stupid fucking savages. These Vietnamese are the stupidest and rudest assholes that all should avoid.[/QUOTE]


to OWL

Please don't be mad on the people in vietnam they are some of the nicest people in the world , scam happen every where and I am sure that you been had in other city and country , you just need to learn from your mistake and don't be a sucker all the time .

fast eddie 48

I am in HCMC right now and am looking to see if anyone wants to meet up for coffee, beer or whatever. I am going to move to another hotel tomorrow. I just grabbed a place because I was tired as hell from 2+ days of no sleep and the bus ride from PP to HCMC. The ride was good untill the driver failled to miss a guy on a motobike and it looked like an explosion. Blue plastic and brains flying everywhere and seeing the body rolling down the street. Great welcome to Viet Nam. Let me know you can reach me at [email]bacwy1@yahoo.com[/email] if interested. I do have to say thought that the women here blow the women of Thailand, PI, and Cambodia away.

[QUOTE=Poppasan]Maybe it was your ugly country ass ...................[/quote]Come on fellas... I've been reading OWL's stories with a bit of humour. I mean he is solely to blame for the misfortunes, and it is very true that if you put yourself out there, then you can get rolled once in a while.

He is a senior and should know better. I agree that he should'nt slag of Vietnam and the scene here, but at the same time, it's a free lesson for all of us. At least, now we know more about these places and can avoid them. Someone had to 'take one' for the team and OWl certainly did.

Thanks Mate!

It is difficult to teach an old dog new tricks. I should have known better...

Although alot can be said about OWL's experiences, I think it also depends alot on which country and which tour group (as he had a tour guide) was used.
I've used tour groups in the past when I travel with several friends (just more convenient for group booking) in other countries and always knew the tour guide taking just us guys out at nite (leaving the rest of the tour group in the hotel) would make a commission wherever he took us. So he's getting paid extra for showing us a good time. Had one similar incidence at a KTV style place (in another country) trying to scam us but the difference was that the guide intervene and negotiated a fair price before it got out of hand. It was smart business on his part as he knew we could all tell the rest of the people in our tour group what happened , giving him a bad rap. and also complain to the tour company (where he could lose his nice commission job).
OWL's guide was an ass as he did nothing and didnt take care of his client. Since he was there, he could easily negotiated a fair settlement. Being the paid guide meant he also takes some blame as he didnt protect his client.--But then this is Vietnam and I had much better guides elsewhere (my experience: the bigger the tour company, the better the guides)---IMO


PT

Everywhere you go in Vietnam, there are people trying to scam, short change or rip you off. Mongers will be lied to then robbed or ripped off.

In contrast, people in China, Thailand, Cambodia generally will do what they agree to do. I have never been ripped off in those countries. I had all good times and pleasant experiences outside of Vietnam. So use your judgement.

A few of the guys in this threads have been acting like stupid assholes, defending the crooks without facts. I will report them so Jackson can ban their ignorant asses.

Vietnam's KTV will lie that they have many rooms upstairs for fuck and ask you to have a drink with the girl and wait. The truth is they do not have rooms for fuck on premises for fear of losing their karaoke license. Any sex with the girls have to be somewhere else, after their shift.

The minute you sit down with the girls, they will automatically open all sorts of drinks and food. After a while the girls will ask for VND 500K or US$35 to get a room. They will disappear with that money. They house will then send in the bills for drinks and food, upwards of VND 1Mil or US$60 per person. They would kill their own mothers for a few dollars, so you are fucked.

My karaoke girl in Hanoi did visit me a few times, but the owner knows the guide well, and then she was way too expensive.

Vietnamese are by far are the trickiest to deal with.

[QUOTE=Teyes]Hi,

Vietnam is money for product and not money for service. Do not expect more (but doesnt mean you cannot get more). I have little experience with KTV but here goes anyway:

- Never trust xe om, taxi, or guide to take you to a ktv
- Don't tryout any unknown ktv to you
- Only trust friends that already been that ktv
- Don't let driver or guide go in with you (coz u have to pay for them - girl+drinks
- If you are alone, simply dont go to ktv
- Go early about 7-8pm coz good places fills up very fast
- Ask price for an hour at current time. Usually no cover charge.
- Ask if price changes AFTER certain hour (they usually charge more at night)
- Ask them the time, make sure they got it right
- Ask price of different beers, henken, saigon, tiger,...
- They always bring a case (24?) but charge only what u drink
- Don't open anything or let anyone open anything until u choose a girl
- If you don't see a girl u like 1st batch, ask them to bring more
- If you don't see what u like, get out. You don't pay anything
- Stop the girl from opening beers and other stuff
- Make them understand u decide when and for who to open
- You can say share your bottle, and open new one if empty
- Ask the girl to sing, then a sip, let urself loose dont be shy, sing again
- Necogiate 30 minutes before reaching the hour
- If no luck, call mamasan and change girl right away. Give the girl small tip
- If no other girl, pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- If the girl agrees (after her work), pay and get out. You pay only 1 hour
- Usually pay only time spent and ur drinks. Nothing else to the house
- CHECK your bill and ask for details.
- You should tip the girl a little. Some place its their only income.
- Usually no service inside KTV. Very few have options.

Even though you been very careful some small place might still try to rip u off extra time or something. If its not in a ktv its elsewhere.

If you like to sing (that's what ktv are for hehe), its better to get a girl elsewhere and go to regular ktv.[/QUOTE]

"A few of the guys in this threads have been acting like stupid assholes, defending the crooks without facts. I will report them so Jackson can ban their ignorant asses."

You are behaving like a child. No wonder the Viet love to rip you off. If you behaved like a man they'd not dare so. What facts do you have? If just based everything from your own limited experience those are not facts to many of us here. Crooks are everywhere. In the States there are many of them, even worse! It is your adult responsibility to take care of yourself and watch out for these crooks when you are in a strange land. Didn't your mother teach you that? Instead, you were acting like a child with a big bag of money. Then you are threatening some of us here that when you report Jackson will ban them. Give me a fucking break :) On the other hand I think if I report you Jackson will ban your pitiful ass because of your prejudicial and racist genralization.

Low

I don't monger in VN because of its strict policy against prostitution. I do most of my playing in the Philippines. Do not come to VN to monger unless you are thorough with the playground or have friends to go around with. Things are not readily available there as it is in China, Thailand, Philippines, and Cambodia. You should have picked this up in the forum if you used it.

I ran into a similar situation in Bali few years ago and got taken for about $100 US for 2 beers and one lady drink in a karaoke join. Why? Because I was stuuuupid but wise for not fighting back because it's not worth getting my tooth knocked out or worse. I haven't been back there not because of that experience but because of some religious guys wanting to go to heaven to fuck 75 virgins or whatever. Infact, I have so much empathy for the people of Bali because its tourist industry is pretty much damaged.

I suggest that you read many posts in many forums like the Philippines and you will notice that many guys at one time or another will have to put on that jack ass uniform and parade around. They think of it as an experience and moved on. You got slammed in here because of your immature attitude. This previous post tells it all; swallow your pain, stop name calling, and move on. Remember, this forum is not for those under 18.

Billy Ibrox

It's nice to see you traveling across the ocean to come to this forum.

I have been here in HCMC for about 4 and half days now. The girls are hot as hell. The prices are a little more than Thailand but not all that much more. I stopped by bar 51 on htb and the girl was cute but wanted $50 for a bbj, I started to laugh my ass off and told her she needed to get it strait. Got her down to $25 with the beer and her drink. Went upstairs and she undressed, nice firm tits and a nice little pussy, she pulled my dick out and went to town. She performed well and before I shot I had her take it out of her mouth and shot her in the face. She didn't like that to much but oh well.

The girls here love to flirt with you and if you are white than they really love to flirt with you. If you act like a gentleman and carry a phrase book and you will do all right. There are more girls than most people think you just have to look around. I think of it like hunting, the more you have to search the better and sweeter the prize.

Now for a very serious beware for all the guys. Be very carefull. There are some girls 8 to 10 selling maps and postcards, when you tell them no they ask you to buy them some milk. They will grab you by the hand and beg, I offered one some milk at a stall right where we were on the main road, she said "no, I know a place. " She then tried to take me down this little ally/road that was king of dark. I knew something was wrong so I told her that I would be back in 30 minutes and split. If you go in there you are either gonna get robbed or she will scream that you are touching her and than you are in real trouble. I had not seen this scam here yet so I thought that It might come in handy for someone.

I posted both positive and negative, but factual info, so others can use. The people who feel defensive, and who started the name calling first, clearly are not civilized.

A few mongers will probably thank me for not falling into the karaoke traps in Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]Low

I don't monger in VN because of its strict policy against prostitution. I do most of my playing in the Philippines. Do not come to VN to monger unless you are thorough with the playground or have friends to go around with. Things are not readily available there as it is in China, Thailand, Philippines, and Cambodia. You should have picked this up in the forum if you used it.
Remember, this forum is not for those under 18.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I posted both positive and negative, but factual info, so others can use. The people who feel defensive, and who started the name calling first, clearly are not civilized.

A few mongers will probably thank me for not falling into the karaoke traps in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]

And I for one thank you for it. The information you have provided will definitely come in handy for myself and others in the future and you deserve commending and not being slated for providing it.

On behalf of those with a thirst for all the information we can get thanks again.

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I posted both positive and negative, but factual info, so others can use. The people who feel defensive, and who started the name calling first, clearly are not civilized.

A few mongers will probably thank me for not falling into the karaoke traps in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]

Your reports and opinions were based on the low class KTV/Bia-oms which have been discussed previously in this forum as expensive rip-offs with a language barrier to foreigners getting any real satisfaction.

There is also a Japanese/Korean scene in KTV's in District one which has about 20 joints that have not been discussed in this forum for the reason that no-one knows enough about how they operate and what they cost.

The reason people got excited about your reports was that you used these limited experiences to proclaim on the scene on HCMC and even to generalise on the people of Vietnam.

There are plenty of reports in this forum of how foreigners of different extractions got satisfaction and pleasure in HCMC. You apparently chose to ignore them.

VN is great compared to the US only and great if you do your homework really well. But it is bad for greenhorns. Many season veterans don't come there to monger strictly either. Great is walking into a bar and there are 50 girls dancing half naked on the stage and you can walk out with any of them and your hotel won't charge you extra for having her over night.

Low

Your tone is getting better and this is where you can get a debate going. You get nothing for walking into a room swinging the F word

here’s the corollary report to the one posted under the hanoi tab. the comments are current as of december 2006.

the grope bars listed elsewhere here that are on hai ba trung and mac thi buoi streets are going strong, but rumor has it that the entire area is slated for redevelopment and all the leases will be lost in about two years’ time. bar owners are reluctant to talk about it, and i have no clue whether the bars will be relocated or simply closed.

bjs and full service are available onsite at most of them, most notably at u-2 on mac thi buoi, which has a sleaze factor rivaling star of light on patpong ii in bangkok. there, the deed is done in a darkened area at the rear of the bar in plain view of the door to the bathroom, where the ladies are constantly going in and out.

i made the rounds of a half dozen of these places and found the girls to be quite attractive on average, better than i expected and better than i seem to remember in years past going back to the early 90s. but the hustle for lady-drinks is almost unbearable.

there are several, reasonably priced, guest friendly hotels ($20-$30 a day) on upper hai ba trung across from the park at the intersection of vo thi sac street. i use an approach when checking in that only rarely fails. i mention to the desk clerk that i am in saigon to meet my girlfriend, and would it be all right if she comes to my room tomorrow? the answer is almost always, yes.

then i take several hotel cards with me on my evening search. if i find a girl i want to spend time with, i write the appointment time on the hotel card (along with the negotiated price), so there is absolutely no chance for misunderstanding and give it discreetly to the girl. i wait for her in the lobby the next day, and she almost always shows up. the front desk is expecting her, and there is very little chance for confrontation or embarrassment on anyone’s part.

gossip disco
79 trang hung dao
district 1, just before becoming cholon
this is a remake of the original gossip, which was a smallish dance club with live music and a lot of freelancers. my favorite feature of the old place was the sunken dance floor, around which, on the raised level, were a circle of bar stools used by many of the ladies. when dancing on the sunken floor, eye level was about the same as crotch level for the girls sitting in their miniskirts. a lot of kodac moments.

now gossip has been transformed into a glitzy, high-tech disco: loud and crowded. it’s no longer my cup of tea, but it seems to be extremely popular with the younger set, and there are lots of targets. i pulled one out of there after about half a beer. she took me to a late night restaurant. i was more than pooped from a marathon series of days, and i sent her on her way with a friendly tip. gossip is an excellent hookup place if you are into techno stuff.

the bars atop the caravelle and the sheraton were full of available model-quality girls, but it was a little rich for my blood.

if you’re looking for a retreat from the sex-tourist rat race, try the mogambo bar at 20 thi sach. great hamburgers and friendly service from a long-time, american hotelier and his vietnamese-hawaiian wife.

and a tiny bar named hien and bob’s, at the corner of hai ba trung and dong du streets. the bar is staffed by from two to four girl-next-door types, always wearing the ao dai long dress. this is not a pick-up bar, although over the years, most of the girls have been taken away by foreign husbands who first met them there. this is a full bar with western brands of liquor. you can have food brought in from local restaurants.

the girls will charm you, and if you play your cards right and pass the scrutinizing of owner hien-the-dragon-lady, the girls have been known to invite you home for the night.

but be advised, this isn’t likely to happen during one’s first, brief visit to saigon. hien and bob’s (bob is deceased), is an unusual island of quietude just a stone’s throw from u-2 and the hai ba trung meat markets. on the other hand, the occasional lout who insults the staff has been known to get a free cyclo ride to the saigon river, where he is summarily thrown in (the truth!), a fate worse than almost anything i can imagine.

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Spent the last few days doing nothing but looking for tail. There is so much of that here, and a lot more than most people say there are. I can go and sit at the park over by the Rex hotel and be approached by so many beutiful women. Have taken several back to my hotel and they were great. A couple of doors down from the Thang Long hotel is the Cafe Saigon. These girls are not all that attractive and they are also expensive and try the game of one million dong short time and also the scam of I need to have at least 6 lady drinks before they will go out. The bar on the corner of MTB/HTB is full of older women that are pretty scary. I also poked my head into U2 and it also was filled with hags. I went to bar 51 and there was one that looked good the rest makes you want to cover up because of there looks. The same goes for bar 49 and I believe it is called bar 91. You are better off hanging around the Caravel hotel and Rex hotel area.

I will hit up Gossip and Rain Forrest this week and also I might try out the Club Royle later this week. I met one girl (Mai) who is the type that you want to take and keep. This girl is smokin hot and she was wearing the Oai Yai (spelling) and was hot as hell. Saw her walking Le Loi by the Saigon Center where I was having coffee. Asked her for coffee and she said yes and that her english is bad, I told her not to worry because my Vietnamese is worse. Had my phrase book on me and all went well. Gonna meet up with her again in a day or so. Hope to taste the fruit so to speak, it has to be sooo sweet.

Great report Co Van My,

Make me miss living in HCMC, but my wife and I have moved on and are back in the States.

Magambo is a great place, Michael is N. American (Canadian), but they run a nice place with friendly staff.

Keep up the great reports.

Uncle Ho the Amp Man

[QUOTE=Amp Man]Great report Co Van My,

Magambo is a great place, Michael is N. American (Canadian),... [/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction. Would'a sworn he was from south of the border!

Met a cute freelancer in front of the Continental offering FS at a reasonable price. Gave her my room number at the Rex and told her to meet me in 1 hour. To my surprise, she was not stopped by anyone at the hotel. She said on her way in a staff member asked her where she was going, she told him the room number, and he gave her directions. Did this twice with two different girls with no problems.

Both times were early evening around 5:30pm and the hotel was fairly busy. Might not always work, but you’re not out anything if it doesn’t.

It seems that the FS salon near the Tokyo hotel (112 Tran Tuan Khai, District 5) has been shutdown for a month or so now. Not sure if anyone has more specific info, but the other one that was mentioned by a fellow mongerer (324 dien bien phu and on Ly Thai To) is still open, though the one on Ly Thai To only does BJ.

Has anyone been to the Hot Toc salons below/adjacent to the bridges from Dist 1 to Dist 4 or Dist 5 to Dist 8?

Any updates/news on the other FS salons in greater saigon area would be appreciated.

Zumi

Read the post again. The bottom part wasn't for you, for OWL.

Head to the Philippines and you will find those bars, PM me if you want the details.

...and attack the victims.

I brought out some very big problems with mongering in Vietnam. Quuite a few mongers admitted to the problems. Yet some of these guys came out swinging at the victim and defended the perpetrators...

You can easily see some of these guys are just not too smart, and not to straight...

[QUOTE=Columpuss]
Low

Your tone is getting better and this is where you can get a debate going. You get nothing for walking into a room swinging the F word[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]...and attack the victims.

I brought out some very big problems with mongering in Vietnam. Quuite a few mongers admitted to the problems. Yet some of these guys came out swinging at the victim and defended the perpetrators...

You can easily see some of these guys are just not too smart, and not to straight...[/QUOTE]

Low,
You still don't realize that the reason you got attack from fellow members is that you generalize the people of Vietnam. It's true that those places you go to tend to rip you off, but can you name one country that don't try to rip people off. It's where you go that invites perpetrators to rip you off.

Low

Dude! Do I have to yell at you? You don't even read your own post. This is exactly what I'd brought up about you not reading others before traveling.

You didn't just "brought up some very big problems." You offended a lot of people who didn't take your two dollars. I read your posts in the OTHER AREAS and you sounded better but you still have problems with the girls.

My conclusion: it seems like lightning has struck too many times in one place, reason: someone's personality sticks out like a big iron rod where ever he goes. It hurts, but take it like a man and fix it before you get in some really big trouble.

This is my last post about Low. Let's move on!

I will be going to Ho Chi Minh city on March 1st, and hope to have great fun there. However, my wife, who is Vietnamese will be waiting for me at the airport. As you can see, the limited time I have to get about and have fun will be severely limited, so I will not have time to chase around and pursue the usual activities. I shall be observed at most times by my wife, or one of my three sisters-in-law. LOL However, my wife leaves a week before I do, and in that week, I hope to have a little fun. Please, anyone having first-hand information on the addresses of the Hot Tocs on Hai Ba Trung, or the Massage Parlors with BJ, post it and let me know, or send me a message here in ISG. Also, when I arrive in Ho Chi Minh, I will try to access this site and leave a local number for a cell phone so any of you in-country mongers who want to meet and have a few drinks, (on me, of course) can contact me. Ha ha I will be in Phu Nhuan District, about 15 minutes from downtown and District 1, so that should not be a problem. Thanks in advance for any info any of you can give me. Lets have fun, and hopefully, when I return, I will be able to post some pics for you all!

[QUOTE=Hardlock1]I will be going to Ho Chi Minh city on March 1st, and hope to have great fun there. However, my wife, who is Vietnamese will be waiting for me at the airport. As you can see, the limited time I have to get about and have fun will be severely limited, so I will not have time to chase around and pursue the usual activities. I shall be observed at most times by my wife, or one of my three sisters-in-law. LOL However, my wife leaves a week before I do, and in that week, I hope to have a little fun. Please, anyone having first-hand information on the addresses of the Hot Tocs on Hai Ba Trung, or the Massage Parlors with BJ, post it and let me know, or send me a message here in ISG. Also, when I arrive in Ho Chi Minh, I will try to access this site and leave a local number for a cell phone so any of you in-country mongers who want to meet and have a few drinks, (on me, of course) can contact me. Ha ha I will be in Phu Nhuan District, about 15 minutes from downtown and District 1, so that should not be a problem. Thanks in advance for any info any of you can give me. Lets have fun, and hopefully, when I return, I will be able to post some pics for you all![/QUOTE]

If your three S-I-L are in Saigon then I doubt if your old fella will get to feel the warm air of Saigon. Why not find an excuse to go up-country to Phan Thiet or Nha Trang for example. Even Da Nang but Hanoi is a bit like hard work. Lots of info in the forum.

Why are they out attacking the victims instead of the perpetrators?

Are they related to the lying, stealing, pimping assholes in Vietnam? In that case, FUCK THEM! I wan them to be offended. I want the rest of the world to know the kinds of lying, cheating, stealing bastards the Vietnamese pimps are, so they can steer clear of them.

You should ask tourists to Vietnam how many percent chance someone would try to scam, cheat, short change, lie to...them at every interaction anywhere. My observation is that that percentage is very high.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]Low

Dude! Do I have to yell at you? You don't even read your own post. This is exactly what I'd brought up about you not reading others before traveling.

You didn't just "brought up some very big problems." You offended a lot of people who didn't take your two dollars. I read your posts in the OTHER AREAS and you sounded better but you still have problems with the girls.

My conclusion: it seems like lightning has struck too many times in one place, reason: someone's personality sticks out like a big iron rod where ever he goes. It hurts, but take it like a man and fix it before you get in some really big trouble.

This is my last post about Low. Let's move on![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Why are they out attacking the victims instead of the perpetrators?
[/QUOTE]

When I saw your original post, thought of posting reply but held back. Yi Ren said it best and then others piled on in a more aggressive manner...which is a shame.

It seems to me that you started off on the wrong foot - any experienced monger would never, repeat never go with a tour guide to get pussy. You, as a senior member and contributor of many past experiences should know better.

And then after getting ripped off, start your post with the following statement: [i]Was in HCM on a tour. The city was extremely crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty. There was no P4P scene that I know of[/i] - pretty strong statement for first time visit. Any number of asian cities can be described as crowded, dirty, smelly and dusty....

I've only been to HCMC 3 times, literally 48 hrs each. Without even intentionally looking for fun, ended up one night with two in my room and even had security go buy extra condoms. Second night was too tired from work and my business associate ended up with two in his room (one which was originally my 'date').

Others that I know swear HCMC is one of their favorite cities. So p4p is definitely available....although I will agree it's not as easy as say LOS or Jkt and definitely overpriced!

I don't agree with any personal attacks on you. On the other hand, you kinda of set yourself up for such responses....IMHO.

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]

Are they related to the lying, stealing, pimping assholes in Vietnam? In that case, FUCK THEM! I wan them to be offended. I want the rest of the world to know the kinds of lying, cheating, stealing bastards the Vietnamese pimps are, so they can steer clear of them.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that, by definition, pimps are bastards and not to be trusted wherever you go. Deal with them at your peril - and keep your eyes wide open.

However my objection to to your earlier posts is that you seemed to be characterising all Vietnamese as being the same. This is simply not true.

This is reflected in your posts from up-country where you seemed to have some better encounters with Vietnamese people - providers and others.

For me I accept your comments about Hot Tocs/KTV's (with a guide) as valuable reminders and suggest we move on to more positive issues such as the action at the new disco/clubs that seem to have sprung up with the new later closing laws in HCMC.

[QUOTE=Co Van My]Thanks for the correction. Would'a sworn he was from south of the border![/QUOTE]

Any of you guys talking about Mogambo Hotel know if it is girl friendly. Internet rates go up to $30 which is marginal.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Any of you guys talking about Mogambo Hotel know if it is girl friendly. Internet rates go up to $30 which is marginal.[/QUOTE]Definitely NOT GF! And if it were, the so-called "walk of shame" would have to rank near the top for exhibitionists: the stairway to the rooms is located at the rear of the restaurant right inside the bar area.

About six months ago someone asked about a no hands restaurant in HCMC and I was skeptical or worse.

Well I found a 12 month old field report by Obeone which details an interesting experience. It seems that he was taken there by others and can't help with the location.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=400654&postcount=780[/url]

Can anyone tell us if this place still exists and where?

Whilst I am asking about the unusual I might ask about the 'red rope' suspension treatment from China where the girls suspends herself on a rope harness for your pleasure. Anyone heard of this in Vietnam?

Well I think it is possible to have such Red Rope thing in VN but the chance to taste it is RARE because such club is illegal. It can get shut down pretty soon. You must belong to an elite group or know someone UP there. VN is not like China where Red Rope, full service Sauna clubs are plenty.

Howdy,

I will be staying at the Indochine hotel at 40-42 Hai Ba Trung, District 1. I understand a lot of the hotels are not girl friendly. So, in that area what is the best way to find a cute, nice, woman and where is a safe place I can take her?

Oh, and how much can I expect to pay? I guess I would include MP's as well as beer bars and freelancers.

Any info would be great!

Hello to the Saigonese Mongerers,

I have been out of touch with Saigon for a tyear and I know from experience that this scene changes quickly.

As I will not have too much time on my hands for exploration, I would appreciate some phone numbers with pricing info of nice VN gals from the knowledgeable guys.

The only way for me to return the favour would be to those who go to Jakarta where I stay and know the scene pretty good.

Thanks to you all and good mongering year.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Knight 1001]Hello to the Saigonese Mongerers,

I have been out of touch with Saigon for a tyear and I know from experience that this scene changes quickly.

As I will not have too much time on my hands for exploration, I would appreciate some phone numbers with pricing info of nice VN gals from the knowledgeable guys.

The only way for me to return the favour would be to those who go to Jakarta where I stay and know the scene pretty good.

Thanks to you all and good mongering year.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

The girls tend to turn over fairly quick so I tend not to keep phone numbers - I also don't like to have embarrassing messages turn up on my phone.

The bars in HBT are still going strong although some of the mamas are getting greedy. I find the one on Dong Du opposite Club Latin (sports bar) to have a reasonable selection and a realistic view of prices.

You may like to have a look at the Singapore forum - there was a guy today asking about whether to go to Singapore or Jakarta for a holiday.

[QUOTE=Alleno151]It seems that the FS salon near the Tokyo hotel (112 Tran Tuan Khai, District 5) has been shutdown for a month or so now. Not sure if anyone has more specific info, but the other one that was mentioned by a fellow mongerer (324 dien bien phu and on Ly Thai To) is still open, though the one on Ly Thai To only does BJ.

Has anyone been to the Hot Toc salons below/adjacent to the bridges from Dist 1 to Dist 4 or Dist 5 to Dist 8?

Any updates/news on the other FS salons in greater saigon area would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Anyone have any indication on the pricing at these FS salon? Notice one at Dien Bien Phu but don't dare to enter without any pricing indicator. Someone told me it is VND1,000,000 which is definitely on the high side.

Anyone have some information on this?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dugalococamo]I know a place (about 90 minutes from HCM) Many girls all for 100 - 200 thousand (I would imagine there are at least 50 girls in this location - I see them in many small cafes or on the street). Some very young and beautiful and cute. Some a bit older but more "experienced"

I go there about once a month just for the fun of it. But I have always gone alone. Anyone out there care to hook up and we can go together and have a good time? Most of the girls there don't speak english but I can introduce you to them without problem if you don't speak vietnamese. Please message me if you are interested.[/QUOTE]Hi Bro,

Are you still in HCM? I am keen to join you.

[QUOTE=Vietnamboy]Hi Bro,

Are you still in HCM? I am keen to join you.[/QUOTE]I am interested too. Will be there in March and available last week of March. Let me know!

This is on a location of a Massage place that offers the Full Pacakge.

It is located directly opposete the Main Entrance of Sheraton Hotel. Its on the 2nd Floor normally with some girls sitting outside touting the for the massage place.

Entrance fee - VND 160,000 of USD$10 Paid up front before entering.

Upon payment, You will be assigned a ger who will lead you directly to the massage room.

Please note the following, there are no lockers to place your belongings and you do not change into shorts or bath robes or anything like that.

She will ask you to strip and get you to hang your clothes on the wall hook adn will ask you if you want to shower. If yes, she gets you a towel and directs you to the shower room. PLease note the only facility available is a little steam/sauna room. Other than that, nothing else.

10 massage rooms, all the same design. Massage bed is only about 3 -4 feet high and this should tell you something. The girl that massaged me that day had the skills to do a good job. Chatted abit and found out she has worked there for 2 years, 25 yrs old bit looks more like 29-30. Oh yeah, she speaks very very good english.

Towards the end of the session, she poped the golden question, HJ for USD$50. I literally rolled of the table and fell on the floor. Told her I have been in HCMC for1 year and this is the first time I heard of this kind of price. SHe than said ok, I give you discount, VND500,00. I just laughed at her.

She then procedded to list the whole price structure for me. HJ USD$50, BJ USD$100, FJ USD$150. I just looked at her in total disbelief. BTW, this is the first time I have gone to any massage parlour and got offered a FJ. I just told her she was crazy, and rejected her offer. At least she didnt put on a black face. Dressed up, tipped her VND200,000 and left the place.

My personal deductions are as follows;

FJ is defiantely available and you dont have to ask, they will offer it.

Catered to foreigners because of the pricing and all the girls speak very very good english. Confirmed by my friend who was also there with me.

If you want facilities like hot pool etc etc, skip this place.

Very Very expensive place.

Girls are all matured. My friend's one was like 34 yrs olds.

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[QUOTE=Newbie]This is on a location of a Massage place that offers the Full Pacakge.

It is located directly opposete the Main Entrance of Sheraton Hotel. Its on the 2nd Floor normally with some girls sitting outside touting the for the massage place.

She then procedded to list the whole price structure for me. HJ USD$50, BJ USD$100, FJ USD$150. I just looked at her in total disbelief. BTW, this is the first time I have gone to any massage parlour and got offered a FJ. I just told her she was crazy, and rejected her offer. At least she didnt put on a black face. Dressed up, tipped her VND200,000 and left the place.

[/QUOTE]

This place has been there a long time and used to have mattresses on the floor with dividing curtains.

With people 3 feet away any extras were very furtive.

Price structure you quote is incredible - any hint of negotiation?

Went into Palace disco about 10.00 pm. At Palace hotel past elevators on left and up stairs - no signs. Not a soul at 10.00 pm - lots of promo girls for smokes and booze and lots of security.

On street outside I ran into a cutie with a big red handbag selling guide books and postcards. I told her I was not interested in postcards and kept on looking at her. She says 'what you want to buy' and I say ýou''. Embarrassed giggles but she warmed to idea. Negotiated 500,000 VND till midnight.

Turns out she is a 22 yo hairdresser from other side of river trying to turn a few dong. Inexperienced but enthusiastic. No phone at all. Even thought my $25 hotel was luxury. Expecting her back at hotel tonight.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]This place has been there a long time and used to have mattresses on the floor with dividing curtains.

With people 3 feet away any extras were very furtive.

Price structure you quote is incredible - any hint of negotiation?[/QUOTE]They now have "cubicles" with walls and sliding doors. However the walls have a 1ft gap below the ceiling. As for negotiation, I am sure there is. When I rejected her offers, she told me HJ for VND500,000, FJ for VND1,500,000 Told her that I can get overnite gers of very very much higher quality than her for VND1 mil so why should I pay her VND1.5 mil? Told her I have been in HCMC for a year and this is the first time I heard of this level of pricing.

I understand that most of massage girls/ladies dont earn a salary and survive on providing extras and tips but I guess that since the place caters to foreigners, I am also not surprised of the charges.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Went into Palace disco about 10.00 pm. At Palace hotel past elevators on left and up stairs - no signs. Not a soul at 10.00 pm - lots of promo girls for smokes and booze and lots of security.

On street outside I ran into a cutie with a big red handbag selling guide books and postcards. I told her I was not interested in postcards and kept on looking at her. She says 'what you want to buy' and I say ýou''. Embarrassed giggles but she warmed to idea. Negotiated 500,000 VND till midnight.

Turns out she is a 22 yo hairdresser from other side of river trying to turn a few dong. Inexperienced but enthusiastic. No phone at all. Even thought my $25 hotel was luxury. Expecting her back at hotel tonight.[/QUOTE]Palace used to be really hot place to go to but eversince Volcano opened, followed by mGm, their business has dropped cosiderably. The crowd only starts coming in about 11pm at Palace.

Hope you have tried mGm since I already posted the address over in another Forum and even gave you directions. :)

[QUOTE=Newbie]
Hope you have tried mGm since I already posted the address over in another Forum and even gave you directions. :)[/QUOTE]

Sorry - not been to MGM yet - too lazy to get out of D1.

any mongerers ever tried to get around hcm on a scooter. i find the experience the same as playing playstation with your life at risk. These people are not afraid to die. No wonder why they won the war. Appreciate any tips from the pros.

Columpuss,

I've used scooters exclusively for travel inside HCMC but never driving myself. I always have a driver, which I keep for my entire stay and pay him at the end of my stay. Works very well and never have I had a problem

Dragonfly

[QUOTE=Columpuss]any mongerers ever tried to get around hcm on a scooter. i find the experience the same as playing playstation with your life at risk. These people are not afraid to die. No wonder why they won the war. Appreciate any tips from the pros.[/QUOTE]

I have been driving motorbikes myself for quite a few years now on all my previous visits and, touch wood, never had a problem, except for a phone that was snatched from my belt by 2 guys on another motorbike a few years back.

The funniest thing was that I got hit by a motorbike while crossing a street on foot ...just coz I was not looking for asplit second at the direction where the flow of bikes was coming from ... so beware.

It's true though that if you get scared by the traffic and the way they drive, you should definitely not go for it as the slightest hesitation or wrong move and you're dead: to drive in Saigon, you have to react exactly the way they do and expect you to, a litle bit like in Paris I'd say ...

Having said that, I did see some deadly accidents happen in front of me but ... that doesn't deter me. You need a hell of a lot of concentration and dexterity in handling the motorbike. If you're kind of slow to react or loose concentration easily, take a taxi and you'll be fine.

Be safe.

thanks knight

I'm a beginner, and feel like my grandma crossing the Indy 500 when out there, but at least the cars at Indy come at you from one direction. In hcm, every street is a 10-way street. I'm even more embarassed when I see 14 year old girls weaving their ways around like they're deaf and blind. Is it the worst in the world or what?

Columpuss,

I know exactly how you feel about the traffic in Vietnam. It's all overwhelming at first but you get use to it. There's a method to all the madness. I drive the scooter around when I'm there. It's more fun and it's easy to pick up girls and cheaper. If you are inexperience it's better just to rent a automatic scooter rather than the shifting gear ones. Give it a week of driving then you'll get the hang of it.

I would not scooter myself in HCM, as previously mentioned it's risky enough just crossing the street on foot. While doing that, I've found it best just to keep moving. That seems to be what the scooterists expect, and they compensate for that. If you just stop in your tracks that might throw them off and there could be trouble to be had.

I don't know if it's the worst in the world, Columpuss, many cities in Asia seem to be in the running. My personal vote for worst would be KL, but YMMV.

Happy Hunting,
EM

At first, seeing all the bikes acting (and sounding) like a swarm of bees made me shy away from trying it but after some bad experiences with Taxis, it did not take long to try it.

1st time was riding on the back with a bar tender (see previous report). Nothing beats holding on for your life while playing around with the driver to take your mind off the crazyness.

From then on, I always rent one (~$6/day for the bigger bikes) from an older lady with a small stand near the corner fast food restaurant near the AlleyBoo bar. The bad thing is having to leave your passort but since I rent from her everytime I'm there, it is not needed anymore.

A few days later, I got a Nam GF, it was great working the other way where they are playing with you as your trying to concentrate on the road.

I do have to say renting is for the experienced motorcycle rider as traffic is uncontrolled and my USA friend got into a minor accident. As previous reports note, minimize any maneuvers that do not flow with traffic.

I also went to a large hospital in HCMC at 0100 looking for my GF as she was visiting her friend who just had an abortion (I thought she was brushing me off for another guy). It was like a horror movie as the lobby was open air and large with people sleeping on the floor all over the place.

I went to Emergency room area to ask for help to find her room and there were about 60 cots lined, full of people. I saw some major head wounds (probably from the bikes). With lost of them, blood pooling around thier heads. I saw 2 people die while there for about 30 minutes and we finally left after speaking to a nurse. Walking out through the lobby, I had to step over a small stream of blood coming from a bag (something inside the size of a bowling ball).

By the way, my GF's friend died 5 days later due to the abortion.

I learned a lot- be careful on motorbikes and do not do anything that will lead you to the hospital.

Have fun on the bikes but BE CAREFUL.

Satellite

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Honrykid

you're right about automatic shift, good for a lot of people. My case, my instintive stopping reaction is at my feet, car driver see, so with the hand breaks, it slows down my response.

EM

I get your words about keep moving ahead, absolutely right, but not quite there yet at this stage

Appreciate Ya'll

When it comes to safety, I'm pretty conservative. However, I've been driving a scooter around Saigon for ten years and I visit once a year. The traffic looks much worse than it is. It takes a while to get the hang of it, but there is a method to the madness. However, I always wear a helmet and I drive very slowly and carefully. Saigon Cowboys are always zipping past me and looking at the slow American, but that doesn't bother me at all. Scooters are cheap---around $6 a day--and they don't use much gas. It's also a good way to look for girls.

[QUOTE=Dugalococamo]I know a place (about 90 minutes from HCM) Many girls all for 100 - 200 thousand (I would imagine there are at least 50 girls in this location - I see them in many small cafes or on the street). Some very young and beautiful and cute. Some a bit older but more "experienced"

I go there about once a month just for the fun of it. But I have always gone alone. Anyone out there care to hook up and we can go together and have a good time? Most of the girls there don't speak english but I can introduce you to them without problem if you don't speak vietnamese. [/QUOTE]You got my attention.

Ok talk to me.

Happen to drop by the Zoo entrance along Nguyen Thi Minh Khai. I saw some nice ladies, and then went further to the stadium and noticed some women standing outside the stadium. Not sure whether they are available.

Any one try these girls outside the stadium?

I'll be in HCMC at the end of March into the middle of April visiting with my wife and her family. I'll be staying in District 10 near Su Van Hanh and 3/2 Street. Anyone know of any providers or places to get a quick FS or BBBJ in the area? I don't know how often I will be out alone as I am Nguoi My, not asian. I speak a little Viet and know my way around town pretty well. Last time I was there I met a Viet/Chinese guy from Moorpark, CA that had a knockout for a wife that used to be a provider, but I don't know if he is still there. His name was James if anyone might know him. He was located in District 8 at the time. He knew a lot of girls in the area there and got me a couple real lookers that were pretty fun.

[QUOTE=B Bardill]I'll be in HCMC at the end of March into the middle of April visiting with my wife and her family. I'll be staying in District 10 near Su Van Hanh and 3/2 Street. Anyone know of any providers or places to get a quick FS or BBBJ in the area? I don't know how often I will be out alone as I am Nguoi My, not asian. I speak a little Viet and know my way around town pretty well. Last time I was there I met a Viet/Chinese guy from Moorpark, CA that had a knockout for a wife that used to be a provider, but I don't know if he is still there. His name was James if anyone might know him. He was located in District 8 at the time. He knew a lot of girls in the area there and got me a couple real lookers that were pretty fun.[/QUOTE]Greetings from Garden Grove. I'll be in HCMC in the 1st and 2nd week of march. Too bad we couldn't meet there. Tiny thuy said you had a vn for a wife and you spoke vn well. Do you remember the big building by the reserve back in the 80's in OC? Later

Hi guys,

I'm visiting Ho Chi Minh city for the first time ever, from the 2nd to 5th March and was interested in hooking up with someone special. Any pointers or advice as to where I should go to hook up with an upscale local girl? I've also already read on the forum that some hotels don't allow the girls up to the rooms while others do. Which ones do? What are the rates I should expect to pay for ST as well as LT? I've heard that Apocalypse Now and Catwalk are probably the best bet, but do you guys agree?

I'd appreciate contacts being PM'ed to me, and I would be more than happy to reciprocate with contacts in Dubai & India.

Thanks,

Cool Sinbad

[QUOTE=Blueskies]Greetings from Garden Grove. I'll be in HCMC in the 1st and 2nd week of march. Too bad we couldn't meet there. Tiny thuy said you had a vn for a wife and you spoke vn well. Do you remember the big building by the reserve back in the 80's in OC? Later[/QUOTE]I grew up in OC, I remember. Tiny Thuy is right. I do have VN for a wife. I picked a very good one too. My Viet is getting much better. I hadn't talked to Thuy for a few months, so if you see him tell him hi for me.

welcome sinbad

Why trying to meet anything special? You are there for just a few days, have fun, bar hop, find some professionals to take care of your little boy.
By "upscale local girl," do you mean normal girls? If that's what you mean then you have just too little time for that. You need to stay here for a while.

I suggest that you search through this forum up to at least 3 months. Take notes on everything from prices, where, and what to avoid. Vietnam is unlike the surrounding countries where mongering is easy. The government here is strict on prostitiution and it affects the conducts of local businesses

This is what I would do for first timer. Once there, go to Pham Ngu Lao street, this is the hang out area for mongerers and tourists. Find a bar or cafe, scan around for some season veterans, strike a conversation. Most of the time, they'll be happy to give you good pointers.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Cool Sinbad]Hi guys,

I'm visiting Ho Chi Minh city for the first time ever, from the 2nd to 5th March and was interested in hooking up with someone special. Any pointers or advice as to where I should go to hook up with an upscale local girl? I've also already read on the forum that some hotels don't allow the girls up to the rooms while others do. Which ones do? What are the rates I should expect to pay for ST as well as LT? I've heard that Apocalypse Now and Catwalk are probably the best bet, but do you guys agree?

I'd appreciate contacts being PM'ed to me, and I would be more than happy to reciprocate with contacts in Dubai & India.

Thanks,

Cool Sinbad[/QUOTE]

If you want upscale then I suggest that you stay at New World where I believe you can pick out girl from Catwalk and take her to hotel via what I understand is a connection on first floor. This is going to cost you US$100 and more for the girl with a million rules. There is an unconfirmed possibility of doing something similar at Renaissance and Club Royal.

The other upmarket possiblity is from girls who hang out at upper level bars of Sheraton and Caravelle. Same level of cost.

Otherwise RTFF for the ins and outs of short time hotels, girl friendly hotels etc etc

Hello,

I will be in March for 2 nights in HCMC.

I look for an hotel, girl friendly, clean, good location, price around 30 USD.

What is your advice?

Thanks

Hello,

What are the good places to find a girl in HCMC?

Massage salon? Anything else? Where?

Thanks

Hello

I will be in HCMC 2 nights in March.

- I look for an hotel, girl friendly, in the center of the city and close to nightlife, average price.

- Wat is the best way to found girls? in massage? Where is it located?

Tanks for help

Just arrived to HCMC after the heavens of Bangkok and Jakarta, so I'm still very newbie.

I've done RTFF and checked 2 options this Saturday night - so far no luck:

- Gossips: techno joint, I expected to see many freelancers but it was totally crowded by locals with more guys than girls - it has good music, but not the place to meet freelancers;

- Apocalypse Now: seems to have quite a lot of FL's, but this Saturday night was totally packed, you could barely move (with many guys). I'll go back there tomorrow night, hoping for some more space which would allow to at least talk.

The problem is that I stay at the Renaissance, where guests are allowed until 9 pm only. My plan was to meet a FL and make a plan for Sunday afternoon, but that's not going to work. Well, I'm still here for 4 more nights, I'll try again.

Any updated info on FL's would be very welcome. I know that there is the Catwalk, but I want reasonable prices.

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]

The problem is that I stay at the Renaissance, where guests are allowed until 9 pm only. My plan was to meet a FL and make a plan for Sunday afternoon, but that's not going to work. Well, I'm still here for 4 more nights, I'll try again.[/QUOTE]There is a club called Club Royal which is a high end club attached to the Renaissance - side street on opposite side to the river. A few weeks ago I had dinner at the (very good) Chinese Restaurant on the first floor of the Renaissance and saw some doors and a corridor heading to Club Royal. Speculation is that a punter could make a selection at Club Royal and take her out to Renaissance via this first floor link. They may even have different rules for Club Royal girls.

Your other option is the small hotels on Mac Thi Boui - an adequate room will cost about US$20.

Hi,

I arrived today and it's my first time. I'd love to hook up to find some girls either here or somewhere else on a daytrip thing. Let me know.

My email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue] and I'm staying at the Indochine hotel. No cell phone, but I will check back.

I'd love to have some company finding some nice sexy Viet girls!

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[QUOTE=Vdurieu]Hello

I will be in HCMC 2 nights in March.

- I look for an hotel, girl friendly, in the center of the city and close to nightlife, average price.

- Wat is the best way to found girls? in massage? Where is it located?

Tanks for help[/QUOTE]You might try Hotel Hong VY.

Then I heard that the Liberty 4 might be a good place to check out.

What do others think about the Liberty4?

[QUOTE=B Bardill]I grew up in OC, I remember. Tiny Thuy is right. I do have VN for a wife. I picked a very good one too. My Viet is getting much better. I hadn't talked to Thuy for a few months, so if you see him tell him hi for me.[/QUOTE]I can't wait to get out of this cold rain and into some hot weather and warm rain. You got any ideas where to go that might be interesting? I'll be going to da nang for a few days and maybe go to hue and then to hoi and then back to hcmc. Da nang seems like a good central point to hit these areas. I think the dark skinned ladies from central are quite appealing to me. I saw your other posts and think you might lead me in the right direction so pm me if you can and let me know.

Later

[QUOTE=Blueskies]You might try Hotel Hong VY.

Then I heard that the Liberty 4 might be a good place to check out.

What do others think about the Liberty4?[/QUOTE]

Liberty 4 definitely not GF.

Small GF hotels are around MTB and HBT and over near Ben Thanh market.

RTFF for more detail.

Writing this from my hotel in HCMC. Free WiFi in rooms. Been here since Monday. Has been a quiet mongering time. As usual went to my favourite haunts on HBT and adjoining roads.

I must be getting old or laziness has overcome me but couldn't be bothered to take girls out to mini hotels so hav satisfied myslf with BBBJ's in the bars.

Have had two very good experiences in "49". First on Monday night got a '7', soory in not good at remembering names but Ving rings a bell. She gave me an excellent BBBJ/CIM in the back room. Slightly off putting having a guy playing pool just behind me during the deed! Very pleasant and USD 25.

Yesterday didn't partake but tonight went out and did a bit of a survey.

U2. Still the raunchiest but women the worst of the bunch. Some very young but majority old and worn looking. Very pushy for BJ and even FS in the back of the bar.

Ci Va (? Not sure about this name but an few door down from U2 if you walk away from HBT). Nice girls, 6's and 7's. Offering BJ for USD 30 and FS at 50 if you go to mini hotel. They have a room at back but was told only operates in afternoon and early eve. Quiet so I am sure you could negotiate down.

If you walk from U2 back to HBT and turn left you pass a bar on the corner. Owned by same man as Ci Va (? ) and very similar experience. Cross over the road and move up HBT and you get to "49" and "51" I felt trhe quality of the girls in "49" was better this trip. Alot of hot bodies. Went into 49 tonight and, honestly, an absolte stunner was next in line. I usually select my own but this girl I couldn't refuse. I felt she was a 9 (YMMV). Pink dress, killer bod with smallish tits. Gave the best BBBJ/CIM I have had in a long time. Very chatty, ok English. Can I remember her name. Not for the life of me! Sorry. Wanted USD 30 but got down to 25 (though I didn't push too hard. It is Valentines after all;.).

Carrying on up HBT there is a bar near the turn towards Caravelle hotel. Not impressed by girls on show and didn't go in. Did a recce of the bars at Caravelle and Sheraton but didn't see and obvious action. However I was quite early (9pm) so may pick up later. HCMC was very busy due to Tet but bars were quiet and girls glad of the business.

Hope this helps any newbies as I find the HBT bars most accessible for the new comer. However 2 moped girls did stop for me as I walked along HBT.

Cheers

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Well, I found action near the Mac Thee Blvd (spell) and HBT crossing. Also so motorbike girls in the area, but too scared to try.

I'm staying at the Indochine hotel on HBT and a couple girls told me it was friendly. Does anyone know for sure? I haven't tested 'em at the desk.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Redfield10]Well, I found action near the Mac Thee Blvd (spell) and HBT crossing. Also so motorbike girls in the area, but too scared to try.

I'm staying at the Indochine hotel on HBT and a couple girls told me it was friendly. Does anyone know for sure? I haven't tested 'em at the desk.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

If you mean the bar on the corner of Mac Thi Boui and Hai Bai Trung then I warn you that the mamasan will not negotiate to reasonable prices. Last time I had a heart to heart with her she wanted VND1.2 mil for short time and was looking for more bar drinks as well.

Also be aware that U2 is a dive and you would not want to see the women in daylight. The new bar on MBT also has an unreasonable mamasan.

If the girls are telling you that Indochine is OK then it is almost certainly is. Whether hotels are OK for them is something they are very careful about. But I have not found a hotel charging more than US$30 that is GF.

1) I've tried the HBT bar, more for the experience than really looking for P4P. Girls are quite cute, and it's not expensive (girl drinks at VN 50,000), but girls drink fast. You can play on a nice pooltable, if you lose you pay VN 100,000 to the girl, if you lose you get a 10 seconds strip-tease - and the girl is not very good at both pool or the strip-tease. Service is totally lousy, chairs are unconfortable, the mama-san is unfriendly. The girl volunteers to make a blow-job in the backroom (which I declined, I only want FS), and expects a tip even if she does nothing (which I didn't' give).
2) 2 girls on a bike approached me - a young cutie and the mamasan. I was of course promised the moon: US$ 20 for 2 hours boom boom. At the hotel, the girl wanted VN 300,000 for the hotel - I knew the price and only gave 200,000. Then in the room, the mamasan entered to collect the fee - that makes me feeling unconfortable, and you can't lock the room door - I only gave VN 400,000. The girl didn't undress, and just wanted to give me a blowjob. I quickly got tired and went down. The girl put me on a bike, who drove me back to the hotel, then sped up without waiting for me. I think that they had stolen VN 100,000 from my wallet as well - I hadn't taken my credit cards or much cash with me.

Well, so you know what to expect. I guess that I need more experience to reach the level of Asian Rain and become a real monger who can have true boom boom at VN 300,000 including video taking. The financial damage was very small, but the service very miserable. I don't see nice bars where to really relax and enjoy company of nice girls - unlike Thailand.

But I love Vietnam - really good food, and very nice people at the office. Lovely girls too, who said they wanted to take me out, but couldn't do it now due to the Tet family obligations. Will be for next time.

many viet locals advised me not to use the bike girls for the same reasons stated by Smile. By any standards, street scenes are in general to be avoided.
Viet food is more superior than thai's but the mongering scene is way far behind. Can't have everything!

The bike girls are very organised and you go to their hotel - not good.

First thing you need is a GF hotel where you are in control.

The bar girls from HBT are not so bad since once you do the deal in the bar the mamasan is not involved - just get the girl to turn off her phone and only pay after the event. Getting the mamasan to agree to a fair price can be a chore.

There are some cuties to be had around the streets some are quick and easy and others take more work.

One night I was waiting to cross the streets near the big market when I was approached by an older woman carrying a young girl on a motorbike. She was going around and around the rotary, looking obvious that she was pimping the girl.

The girl looked good but seemed to be stoned. The woman wanted 500K D. I wanted her to go to my hotel nearby but she refused, even when I offered her 1 mil. She had to go to her own hotel in the back packers district. Fuck that. There are a lot of dark alleys in that area. I knew I was being set up for a rob, so I told her to fuck off.

She kept driving that girl around that area. So she was looking for victims for major robs, not johns.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The bike girls are very organised and you go to their hotel - not good.

First thing you need is a GF hotel where you are in control.

The bar girls from HBT are not so bad since once you do the deal in the bar the mamasan is not involved - just get the girl to turn off her phone and only pay after the event. Getting the mamasan to agree to a fair price can be a chore.

There are some cuties to be had around the streets some are quick and easy and others take more work.[/QUOTE]

Besides from the facts that SMILE noted, they are also dirty. Most likely, they carry diseases, and have to resort to being a bike girl. That is the lowest form of a call girl in vn. It's like you paying $10 to a crack***** to get off. Be more wise in your decision and always bring the girl to your hotel or no deal at all. Also hide your wallet or values particularly if you have a girl staying over night. However most hotel will give you a call when the girls leaves. What you pay for is what you get.

though this has been said many times over in the forums, i believe that it's still worth to remember very few golden rules related to mongering in general and especially applicable to motorbike girls.

having said that, if you follow these simple guidelines, you still may land a gem on wheels, which i did on occasions. remember though that as probability laws have it, there will be misses, but they're the price to pay for the good times: nothing comes free.

1- never ever accept to go to a hotel or place where the girl or her papasan or mamasan want to take you; you'll be totally powerless, on their turf and god only knows what they have in store for you. at best you'll pay for a service you will not get, at worst you could get robbed and beaten;.

if the girl means only business, she'll accept to follow you to your place of choice. also, as a safety measure, even the small mini hotels do ask for the girl's id before she goes up, which may be a deterrent. having said that, i've seen girls using other girl's id's ... still your hotel staff are there as potential help to you.

2- never pay up-front and certainly never to a third party such as mamasan or papasan. insist on paying the girl after the action and don't be shy to let her go if she refuses: this way you keep control of what the girl will do and her attention to do what's been agreed upon. you may curse yourself later for having let her go sometimes, especially if she's gorgeous, (as i did once or twice, and still regret it ...), but certainly less than the deception of having paid for nothing and being cheated upon.

you may accept to pay a small tip to the mamsan (i give them around 50 000 dongs) for her help, but no more.

you will not ensure thereby that you'll get the lay of your life but at least you'll keep your chances of being laid to be even...usually, the papasan will remain close by your hotel waiting for the girl to come back in any case.

3- make sure that you have locked up safely all of your valuables and or anything that has value (wallet, money, phones, spare batteries, jewellery, eye glasses, credit cards, mp3 players, earphones, eau de toilette, electric shavers, etc.) before the girl comes in, or as you get into the room. leave nothing in your pockets or bags easily accessible.

i have had a ***** steal a phrase book from me when she didn't speak a freaking word of english. she'd put it in her belt trousers in her back ... while i'd felt her pockets and bra ... for nothing. the only consolation i had ... was that i had fucked her anal and it had been a bit painful for her.

as another example, recently: in another city in asia, i took 2 girls and while i was shagging one in another room, the other one actually emptied half a bottle of cognac in a bottle of water and put it in her bag. though i checked their bags before they left, all i saw was a botle of water. i thought nothing of it at the time, till i put away the botle later on and saw it half empty. good thing it wasn't the xo but a cheap one i'd bought to make cocktails with ...

morale of the story: check their bags before they leave, feel their pockets, breasts and wherever they could hide something if you're not sure that you've stashed away everything. do it as a play if you will, and you may be surprised of what you'll find.

4- never loose sight of the girl once in the room. if she tries to push you to the shower first let that be the alarm signal that she's up to something. they can be extremely fast and only need seconds to act. take her to the shower with you. sorry too say, but i would stongly suggest that you make full use of the bathroom before you get set to go mongering.

a good tip which has worked for me, as i caught one or two girls red handed with their hands in my trousers pockets, is to leave the water running while you are in the bathroom, if you're using it alone, then peek in the room regularly ... the idea is let her know thereby that you're on alert and not to be fooled around with: she'll get the message.

5- never go out with expensive watches, jewellery or big stashes of money. take the strict minimum with you and lock up safely all the rest. muggers will look for those signs to select their targets. those items are like honey attracting bees... if you're not to use your credit cards outside, leave them home. you should know approximately how much you're going to spend so just take that amount of cash with you, with a litle extra allowance, just in case.

i hope the above will help you to be, and to remain, safe.

SWS: Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. It happens to all of us in all situations. The advice by K1001, especially points #2,4,5, are golden rules. As I have stated in many of my posts, the moto girls working the TMK strip ALL use hotels in the back alleys. If you are travelling for more than 5min, then you are being taken for a ride.

Also, I must stress that it is VITAL never to pay the girl - or mamasan - in advance. I ALWAYS say that I will pay after the act, not before. Once you have handed over the money, you lose all negotiating power. Almost all girls ask for money upon arrival at the room, but I always say "boom-boom one, money two" so they understand the order of things. I'm sure that some girls have been ripped off by customers, so getting the money up front is a legitimate concern. For one particularly skittish girl, I took out the money and put it on top of the TV to let her know that I'm going to pay. No problem after that.

I always negotiate video in advance, but I have experienced lots of girls that try to back out of video in the room. When they realise they are not going to get paid, they remember their promises very quickly.

A couple pics to ease your pain... Enjoy, AR+

That pic looks more like a Khmer girl eating a salamie...hehehe :-)

Thank you all guys for these good golden rules. I didn't lose much money, and coming from Thailand where the sex scene is much more friendly, I don't have that good practice of handling the biking hyena's. I can say that I still got a small blow-job for $ 30 by a cute girl. Reading this forum, and practice, will help me to be stronger next time.

I am now in Mexico, ready for some Central America mongering. I'll be back to Asia in 6 months. May the Forum assist us in time of difficulties.

Hi all bros,

I will be travelling to Danang for 2 nites and HCMC for 1 nite stay early March, can bros there give some recommandation on some GF hotels to stay and some good place to do mongering. Appreciated your help.
FC

[QUOTE=Fastcome]Hi all bros,

I will be travelling to Danang for 2 nites and HCMC for 1 nite stay early March, can bros there give some recommandation on some GF hotels to stay and some good place to do mongering. Appreciated your help.
FC[/QUOTE]

In Da Nang there is the Royal Hotel which has a nightclub next door. Take-out is available at closing time. There is also a HC that provides in-room service.

In Saigon there are GF hotels near Benh Tran market and near HBT/MTB areas. Check out details in the forum.

Fast,

I was in DaNang last year and stayed at the Bamboo Green on Bach Dang St. near the river and bridge....Bamboo III they call it. Nice in room massage service. There's a disco on Dong Ha Street across from the Saigon Tourane Hotel that has take out but very expensive. Cafe Linh also across from the Tourane provides FS girls for about $75 USD room included but I prefer hunting the locals.

Dragonfly

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]In Da Nang there is the Royal Hotel which has a nightclub next door. Take-out is available at closing time. There is also a HC that provides in-room service.

In Saigon there are GF hotels near Benh Tran market and near HBT/MTB areas. Check out details in the forum.[/QUOTE]
Tks bros Sudsoz & Dragonfly22 for the quick reply,
In Da Nang, I might be staying in Palm Garden in Hoi An, any action around??? How is the rate for ST /LT over there??? Tks
FC

[QUOTE=Fastcome]Tks bros Sudsoz & Dragonfly22 for the quick reply,
In Da Nang, I might be staying in Palm Garden in Hoi An, any action around??? How is the rate for ST /LT over there??? Tks
FC[/QUOTE]

Look under the Other Areas thread for some reports by One Wing Low.

HornyAsianKid,

I have read a few of your posts and reports.

You have to understand that us white dudes that only speak English might have a little trouble in Vietnam. We dont know the language and its not as setup as some other locations. Lets take for example, Angeles City where you just go make a reservation, throw down your cash and you get some action. Its a no-brainer and everyone speaks English.

As for the unattractive pictures, I do agree that some pictures on here look a little bit rough and I know that there are better looking Asian women then this...however, you have to understand that as a white dude who knows only English, we are going to go to the most obvious place and pick up the women who seem available. These available women might not be the best looking.

So with that said, I am attracted to Vietnamese women. My question to you is this. If you where a white dude who only knew English, where in Vietnam would you go to get some quality action and how much would you pay? What would be your general routine?

[QUOTE=HornyAsianKid]Besides from the facts that SMILE noted, they are also dirty. Most likely, they carry diseases, and have to resort to being a bike girl. That is the lowest form of a call girl in vn. It's like you paying $10 to a crack***** to get off. Be more wise in your decision and always bring the girl to your hotel or no deal at all. Also hide your wallet or values particularly if you have a girl staying over night. However most hotel will give you a call when the girls leaves. What you pay for is what you get.[/QUOTE]

GT2

Are you talking about beautiful non-pros? If that is so then you might need time to do that or good connections with viet friends or colleagues. I don't think the rules are any different from other countries. I have a friend who, where-ever he goes, he always find cute friends, and his trick is to find a cafe or restaurant where the girls work then frequent.

For beautiful pros, there are many places but prices are usually higher. As you have said, Vietnam's mongering scenes are not as obvious as the PIs or thailand. I don't understand why anyone would come to Vietnam strictly to monger. Many mongerers there are Viet expats, on business trips, or touring.

To each his own but as for me I have my bottom line, to make my little boy happy. Wine and dine a pro to get to her treasure chest is a waste of time and money. Wine and dine a non-pro to get to her treasure chest costs more, add to the possiblity for heart ache. That's a no no!

So what is the mongering scene in Vietnam? What would a guy have to do or go? Just street action?

From reading, I see the hotels are not too friendly when you walk in with a woman.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]GT2

Are you talking about beautiful non-pros? If that is so then you might need time to do that or good connections with viet friends or colleagues. I don't think the rules are any different from other countries. I have a friend who, where-ever he goes, he always find cute friends, and his trick is to find a cafe or restaurant where the girls work then frequent.

For beautiful pros, there are many places but prices are usually higher. As you have said, Vietnam's mongering scenes are not as obvious as the PIs or thailand. I don't understand why anyone would come to Vietnam strictly to monger. Many mongerers there are Viet expats, on business trips, or touring.

To each his own but as for me I have my bottom line, to make my little boy happy. Wine and dine a pro to get to her treasure chest is a waste of time and money. Wine and dine a non-pro to get to her treasure chest costs more, add to the possiblity for heart ache. That's a no no![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodTimes2]So what is the mongering scene in Vietnam? What would a guy have to do or go? Just street action?

From reading, I see the hotels are not too friendly when you walk in with a woman.[/QUOTE]

GT2,

If you're not Viet, don't know the language, don't have any connections and only staying for a couple days then you have a bit of work to do. Check out the reports of distinction section. You'll find some helpful tips regarding place/pricing there. As a start, you could try the bars near the Bong Sen hotel on Hai Ba Trung in HCMC. It's a common watering hole for punters.

When chatting up the girls there, make sure to bring your negotiating A game. Bear in mind you're not likely to get a GFE, but you'll certainly find a "release" and perhaps even some "horizontal refreshment".

As for a hotel that is GF or not, most places will allow company til around 9-10pm. If you want info on places that allow later visits then try to make friends with the staff, (eg the doorman), tip well and ask around.

Best of luck and good hunting,

F2

[QUOTE=GoodTimes2]HornyAsianKid,

I have read a few of your posts and reports.

You have to understand that us white dudes that only speak English might have a little trouble in Vietnam. We dont know the language and its not as setup as some other locations. Lets take for example, Angeles City where you just go make a reservation, throw down your cash and you get some action. Its a no-brainer and everyone speaks English.

As for the unattractive pictures, I do agree that some pictures on here look a little bit rough and I know that there are better looking Asian women then this...however, you have to understand that as a white dude who knows only English, we are going to go to the most obvious place and pick up the women who seem available. These available women might not be the best looking.

So with that said, I am attracted to Vietnamese women. My question to you is this. If you where a white dude who only knew English, where in Vietnam would you go to get some quality action and how much would you pay? What would be your general routine?[/QUOTE]My suggestion under your circumstance is go to a popular coffee hang out in the after noon to pick up a pro or hit the clubs at night. The best thing is find the connection in the coffee place for the night. This will be expensive. you're look at 1mil to 1.6mil for the whole night. But i prefer the whole night though because im getting more bang for my buck. pardon the pun. I know im getting at least 3 shots in before she leaves in the morning so. You can also ask her to refer her friends to you as well.

[QUOTE=Fox Two]As for a hotel that is GF or not, most places will allow company til around 9-10pm. If you want info on places that allow later visits then try to make friends with the staff, (eg the doorman), tip well and ask around.[/QUOTE]

People here are right. it is different to Thailand and other places. With exceptions of course, but on the whole its much more subtle, sort of underground. Probably a function of VN being effectively a police state.

My experience is that if you travel with a girl then you have no problem checking into hotels as a couple. Only in one upmarket resort in NhaTrang did i have to sign some sort of document that we were "married" !

If you have a local girl then the only sure way not to have problems is to book and pay for another room for her. Alternative Mini-hotels that the girls know - well use your instincts. I have never had a problem. Having said that, i have never taken a moto-girl, only girls from various bars.



Ozirob

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll keep it in mind.

Let me know if I can reciprocate if you need help in Dubai or India.

'later,

Cool Sinbad

Some of you guys should try that site.

There is a chat site in there and it is an ideal way to meet VN ladies. All ages from young to old and they have their age groups/locations there.

Also there is one section for English only which is handy.

But if you are in VN you can chat up the girls and get them to meet you. I have met a few there and have had good success. I am a 60 yr old Anglo and I have met a 21 YO girl, a 40YO woman with her own house and business, a 26 YO who still lives with parents and a 50 YO who has her own house and I stayed with her for a week.

It has been very good for me and I recommend it to members.

Don't believe that VN women are standoffish. Once they meet you and you show respect and look after them they are gems. But remember you are a walking ATM to them and you will understand their attitude better. If they want to get a Visa to another country you have to play along a bit so use some guile.

Anyway happy hunting.

Hi Hak,

Too bad, I will be at SG late March.

Maybe we will be meet next time and have some fun.

hi, guys,

first time to hcm, have been to ben seng hotel district 1, opposite sheraton hotel. don't ask me the road i won't know haha hope my speeling for the hotel is not wrong, because i was brought there by my partner.

went in, if not mistaken is 3rd floor spa. jaguzzi, steambath and sauna with 1 hour massage is usd 9 only. that was cheap. and the service given was great, nice and clean place

then went for the massage, as i see all the girls are young and pretty, i think any one of them are looks 7/10. but this place only offer hj. asking price usd 50, but decline and she agree on usd 30, because they don't earn any money from the spa, purely on tips only.

reports:
girl number 36(cannot remember her name)
age:20 yrs
looks:8/10 young
massage: 6/10( the stepping of back was good)
hj:5/10 nothing to shout about
auto roam:yes

Ran into Marry last week as she looked so down and depressed and tried to cheer her up successfully after long efforts. Spend four evenings with her (Sheraton, Apocalypse, Malibu>>) and got funny looks from some sides but never worried. one guy came (who didn't notice I'm with her) and told me "hey Lad, that girl has the greatest Ass in here" than I ran in an old girl friend of mine and she knew already all, and she said that she is one of the most famous girls in town. Can anyone substantiate that story? She speaks pretty good Japanese, small boobs, GREAT ass, always super dressed due to her French liaison, tall blondish.

Thanks,

Haili

Does anyone want together and hang out (pick up chicks together)?

I will be in HCMC on the 25 of this month for a week. Let me know. I am Vk.

Hi E B,

I am also will be at sg April 1 stay at q1 how we will meet? I am also a VK.

Massage places have been hard to find in HCMC - shorts, no choice of girls, not private etc etc. But I found a place.

On Dong Do opposite Club Italia (sports bar) in an alleyway is Sachi Spa. reception downstairs and massage upstairs (steep stairs). Booths with partitions and sliding doors open at floor level. They pushed shorts at me but I waved them away.

I met my girl in the street walking to work so not sure if they have line-up. Sorry details staying private.

Massage VND130k extras negotiable. I got gear off BJ plus for VND500k but had to negotiate.

Closing time is 21.00 pm and extra assignments are possible.

I forgot the name of it but it's on Le Quy Don. It's an Egytian theme place. One of you guys will know the name. It's open till 5AM everyday. I usually go there after the club if im not with a girl already. I also met two girls after work as well. Didnt have time to close the deal with them. It's a very clean, thorough place. Has all the amenities you are looking for. I think they have just finished renovating it. A tip to get a nice massage girl is asking the workers in the back. Tell what you want in a girl and they'll steer you to one of your liking. 20k tip will do the trick. The ticket is around 100k, and tip is usually 200k for me. I tip the workers if i need foot massage or my back scrub, 50k per services. All the girls have let me touch them on the finish. It's good to be polite and charming and respectful. Dont go in with an attitude like they are like your servant. Have fun. A second place is next Vivas club.

Massage is those 5 star hotel are a waste of money and time.

Please trust me.

Where can I find older working girls in HCMC? Like, in their 30s. All the girls I see are young.

Has anyone had an experience in the Hot Tocs located in Q. 5 on Tran Hung Dao St? Would appreciate hearing details about the price, facilities, and what happened.

I have wandered by these places a few times, and I can see they have some great looking girls, but. I want to sit down and have a beer and contemplate who I will choose, like I used to do in Thailand. Instead. I have to walk by furtively. I can't stop and really look the girls over because everybody on the street is staring at me. I feel too self-conscious to even stop walking for a minute and look them over.

And if I go inside, I will be pressured to make a decision immediately, I suspect. I did go in once and they said that a massage was $10. I thought that was too much, as I know the usual price in a hot toc for a massage is 50, 000 dong, with any extras negotiated later.

I have never seen anybody go in these places, yet I imagine there must be customers. How is it done? What is the proper price? Grateful to hear your experiences.

And yes, I know. I'm not in Thailand anymore.

[QUOTE=Gumbyy]Where can I find older working girls in HCMC? Like, in their 30s. All the girls I see are young.[/QUOTE]

You can find older girls at Caravell or Sheraton. However, they are usually in their late 20s. Girls you are in their 30s are usually married and have gotten out of the business. If older girls are your flavor, try picking them up at restuarants and other places. One of the advatanges is you don't have to pay for them.

I recently visited Thailand. What a dramatic difference! You are treated much better and it's cheaper. In many of the bars the women are very friendly and there is little or no pressure to buy a lady a drink or to barfine her. You don't feel like every moment they are trying to squeeze money out of you. Thailand is a more rich and developed nation than Vietnam so it's suprising that being serviced here is more expensive. According to the Lonely Planet guidebook the daily minimum wage in Bangkok is $4.50 US. In contrast, a lot of the people I know in HCMC are earning 40,000 VND ($2.50 US) each day for 8 to 12 hours of work. Many of the women in Thailand are quite happy with 1,000 baht ($30 US) while in HCMC the women in the bars seem to want at least $50 US. The girl I chatted with the other night in the backpacker area wanted $60 for an hour. I think you have to look outside of district 1 for better deals. I found a good hot toc place in district 10. Shouldn't cost more than 200,000 VND if you don't come with a xe om and negotiate beforehand. It's at 134 Ho Ba Kien, F. 15, Q. 10

[QUOTE=HornyAsianKid]Massage is those 5 star hotel are a waste of money and time.

Please trust me.[/QUOTE]True. I find that you get better and more personalized service at the cheaper (50,000 VND) massage places that the locals go to. At a five star hotel the girls are probably used to and expect big tips.

Anyone know what are the rate for girls along Nguyen Thi Minh Khanh?

Saw some cute and lovely gals when driving past this evening... thinking to have a try tommorrow.

Any good short-term hotel nearby for recommendation?

vnboy

some of those girls are tricky, going through your wallet while you are in the shower and such. Be really careful, take them to your territory instead of theirs. The locals use their services because of the price, I wouldn't recommend them to foreign mongerers.

Plenty of RTFF massage chatter on this site. I am returning to HCM City in early April and want to go to have a massage somewhere near Pham Ngo Lau.

I'll be staying in a hotel there and spending my time in the area. Having not been over to VN for 5 years things will have changed. Any information would be valued.

Hi Columpuus,

Thanks for your advice. Any idea what is the market price?

Regards,

Vnboy

[QUOTE=Columpuss]vnboy

some of those girls are tricky, going through your wallet while you are in the shower and such. Be really careful, take them to your territory instead of theirs. The locals use their services because of the price, I wouldn't recommend them to foreign mongerers.[/QUOTE]

To Gumby,

You are expected to choose a girl fairly quickly in those hot toc places, and no they don't serve beer. ;-) You get a massage in a back room, usually separated by curtains from other customers -- a bit like being in a hospital. Anyway, before long your private nurse will make an attempt to escalate things and I think she lets you know how much that upgrade will cost. Trying to remember. It was HJ only, in my experience at least, and some groping and snuggling. Anyway, it's ok. Not bad. Now this is at one of those particular hot tocs that I think you are talking about, which are in an area with a few hotels and where Tran Hung Dao becomes narrower. Service at hot tocs in other areas probably are different. For example out on Dien Bien Phu in Binh Thanh district, where BJ is the norm.

I did it once 3 years ago with the bike girl, I had a good experience but i forgot how much I paid her. their price shouldn't be above 200. good luck

i hope other mongerers can answer your question accordingly

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Discussion from photo thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surfer
IMHO the best looking VN girls I have EVER seen are in Orange County, California! Particular the waitresses at the coffee shops near little Saigon like Cafe Vanh #2. Quote

Comment by Fw190

Quote: That's an interesting observation. Similarly, I think that the VN food in the US is actually better than the VN food in VN. Don't know why. Maybe better ingredients? Quote

Asian food in western countries always has some adjustments to make it more palatable to the locals but that does not mean it is better. Quite frankly some of the thai and vietnamese food served in the west is quite bland because all of the spices and heat has been taken out of it.

In my view the vietnamese do a much better job of producing western food than the westerners do in producing vietnamese food.

Now some of these comments can be equally made about the girls in these places. I have no doubt that the girls in VN dress a little more conservatively than their VN sisters in Orange County but that does not mean that they are less attractive. To me there is very little more enticing than a nice VN hottie in a very unrevealing Aoi Dai.

I also have no doubt that the girls in HCMC are much more friendly and easy to deal with compared to their sisters in the west who have acquired western attitudes.

Hi Bro,

Tried one of the gal. Not too bad at VND 250,000 for 1 hr.

Happen to move around the area again the next day, realised that there isn't much choice as the handful of gals are limited.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]I did it once 3 years ago with the bike girl, I had a good experience but i forgot how much I paid her. their price shouldn't be above 200. good luck

I hope other mongerers can answer your question accordingly[/QUOTE]

Last week visited a bar called Su’s on Thai something street parallel to Hai Ba Trung. The bar is quite small with two pool tables, one in a private room in the back. Got there a bit late 11:30 pm, but was told will stay open until 3 am, so not to many girls available. Picked the best of the bunch and proceeded to chat and play pool. After a couple of games was asked if I wanted to go to a mini hotel, but it was already midnight and I had had a few drinks so turned her down.

At this point she informed me that they had a living room, “shag pad” upstairs that we could use. We went upstairs into a living room with two big sofas and a table with plenty of room around, suitable for an orgy if ever I saw a place. It also has a bathroom attached for cleaning up after, bring your own towels though.

We got down to business and spent the next 30 mins going through HJ, BJ, FS. She was well into the experience as I had already warmed her up down in the pool room. It cost me US 50 for the experience, which is not bad considering I did not have to pay for a mini hotel. Oh, bring your own condoms as they don’t have any on the premises.

I will arrive in HCMC friday 30.3. and stay there for two weeks. I have still not decided where to stay regarding hotel. The two options are New World Hotel or some little hotel around pham ngo lao street or De Tham. You can say Hi class or close to the vietnamese streetlife. It depends a bit on guest friendliness..

Does anyone know if New World Hotell is a "guest friendly" hotel that lets you have visitors in your room?

Are you allowed to bring girls from Catwalk to your room? It might be looked at as "inhouse" action(?).

If a hotell has a policy that you can not bring guest after a certain time, lik for example 9 p.m., does that mean that you are free to bring visitors to your room all day until 9 p.m.?

Are the smaller hotels in the area around pham ngo lao and de tham guest friendly?

Of course it is possible to stay at New World and also rent at cheap room around de tham as long as I'm in town. But it is possible that it will be a problem having only one passport?

Even if this might be a RTFF I would appreciate an answer.

Nice report Chesterubi.

I think you are talking about Thai Van Lung street. I live near there. However, I've never noticed it. I will look for it now. Is it near Apocalypse Now? Regarding the "Shag pad," was it a big room? Could any other customer just walk in on you during the deed?

For other mongers, I noticed a lot of dark bia-om like facilities popping up on Le Thanh Ton near Thai Van Lung. I've walked passed "Insomnia" and a place name, Beng Beng, or something like that. Always cute girls sitting outside. Has anyone been inside these new places? Some info would be nice.

[QUOTE=Chesterubi]Last week visited a bar called Su’s on Thai something street parallel to Hai Ba Trung. The bar is quite small with two pool tables, one in a private room in the back. Got there a bit late 11:30 pm, but was told will stay open until 3 am, so not to many girls available. Picked the best of the bunch and proceeded to chat and play pool. After a couple of games was asked if I wanted to go to a mini hotel, but it was already midnight and I had had a few drinks so turned her down.

At this point she informed me that they had a living room, “shag pad” upstairs that we could use. We went upstairs into a living room with two big sofas and a table with plenty of room around, suitable for an orgy if ever I saw a place. It also has a bathroom attached for cleaning up after, bring your own towels though.

We got down to business and spent the next 30 mins going through HJ, BJ, FS. She was well into the experience as I had already warmed her up down in the pool room. It cost me US 50 for the experience, which is not bad considering I did not have to pay for a mini hotel. Oh, bring your own condoms as they don’t have any on the premises.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the mix up. Apocalypse is on Thi Sach street.

Hi,

New World is a high end hotel that restrict locals to move freely, even before end of visiting hours (9 or 10pm). Security guard (at lobby) might stop the girl if she looks too obvious.

There is a passage between Catwalk and NW hotel, no need to pass thru main entrance. I dont know about Catwalk girls.

Most mini-hotels are GF. You can get her in day or night. Make sure the girl has her ID card.

You can stay at NW and rent another room. Most mini-hotel accepts ID with photo.

[QUOTE=Rocco Gutt]I will arrive in HCMC friday 30.3. and stay there for two weeks. I have still not decided where to stay regarding hotel. The two options are New World Hotel or some little hotel around pham ngo lao street or De Tham. You can say Hi class or close to the vietnamese streetlife. It depends a bit on guest friendliness..

Does anyone know if New World Hotell is a "guest friendly" hotel that lets you have visitors in your room?

Are you allowed to bring girls from Catwalk to your room? It might be looked at as "inhouse" action(?).

If a hotell has a policy that you can not bring guest after a certain time, lik for example 9 p.m., does that mean that you are free to bring visitors to your room all day until 9 p.m.?

Are the smaller hotels in the area around pham ngo lao and de tham guest friendly?

Of course it is possible to stay at New World and also rent at cheap room around de tham as long as I'm in town. But it is possible that it will be a problem having only one passport?

Even if this might be a RTFF I would appreciate an answer.[/QUOTE]

I have seen a couple of bars in this area but never seen anything really attractive inside. Never seen a place called Su's. There is a popular Karaoke called Papa's but the girls don't seem to do much more than sing.

The billiards bar near to Camargue Restaurant has an upstairs room that is pretty private but it has a billiard table and the mama is greedy. Pity - there are some nice girls there.

I have also noticed a loud disco type place opposite the Wild Horse Restaurant. The pickings at about 10 pm did not have a lot of class so I moved on.

There has been speculation about taking girls from Catwalk to New World without going downstairs but we never got a clear answer. Same speculation about Renaissance and Club Royale.

Be aware that girls from Catwalk and Club Royale are high end primma donnas - US$100 and up for short time and don't mess up my makeup etc etc etc.

If you stay at New World you can probably get an entertaining room nearby for about $20.

New World is quite a ways from the centre of District 1 around Dong Koi - too far to walk on a regular basis.

There are a number of small GF hotels around Mac Thi Boui, Thi Sach, Dong Do etc. Look at backpackers websites for places less than US$30.

Not going to give names here for obvious reasons.

The GF hotels will keep the girls ID until she leaves and they will call you to make sure everything is OK when she does leave. If you bypass recption at the big hotels you will not have this security.

Going up the street for 2 blocks there's some nice hotels to stay for about 20-25 usd. The 1st one on the left is where I stayed. I like to have noodles about 10pm and then go inside to my room. You might have some luck there with the nite guy. The motogirls that show up all nite long as I can hear the elevator ding ding ding. They are in too much of a hurry though so better to get your own. Try the 51, Bar-Billards at 51 Hai Ba Trung St. , Ben Nghe Ward. Dist 1. Go there and negotiate always when having your soda. There is a billard table upstairs though, hmmm. When I walked in about 9: 30pm I was the only guy and there were maybe 15 girls that will go to your hotel. Isn't it nice to get the call from the hotel afterwards asking if everything is ok and can the girl go.

Mostly what you get is pretty small to medium and they wear massive padding in their bras so looks can decieve.

I was fondling a nice sized set last night in the bar on Cao Ba Quat near Camarque. The girls have no bras there which is nice. But the mama is greedy on take-out price.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]forget which food is better. what i know is, the country with the worst food culture is taking over vietnam. I hope KFC will fall flat on its face as it is trying to convince vietnamese that they are selling "chicken."[/QUOTE]

I agree - these Americans think the food is better there because it is modified to their taste.

As for the takeover there is now a Gloria Jeans coffee joint competing with VN coffee in Saigon. Next will be Starbucks. All downhill from there.

Have you been to the KFC on the 4the floor of the Diamond Plaza? The chicken is not pressure cooked there and I thought it was pretty good. Got 2 bowling alleys there and a Pizza Hut. Big arcade and many young ladies hanging out looking for fun. KFC bad here but good there. On the way back home if you stop in Korea don't eat the food on the tour. It will make you sick. Spending 2 weeks in VN with no problem and 8 hours in Korea with big problem on plane. The bad food is in Korea.

Have you guys noticed an inflation in price?

I use to buy a meal at this fabulous shop for 15000 and all of a sudden it went to 25000. I've allow noticed this inflation amongst many other things.

Is this normal, the usual new year inflation? or is it something else?

Cheers,

UH

Can anyone give me a list of some girl friendly hotels in District 1? And, is the Indochine hotel girl friendly? I guess I'd be looking near HBT, etc. Not too expensive..say under 40 US??

Thanks.

Please PM me.

Club Royale very nice. Bit pricey but good selection of girls. Minimum charge for Karoke VIP is 4.5m dong. Get there by 8.30pm or all gone.

Rocking disco in district 5 at Tokyo Hotel disco on top floor.

Sudsoz,

From the main entrance to catwalk/casino, there is a stairway on the left. Will lead you to the mezzanine of the hotel, for the room elevators I dont remember if you have to walk down to main floor. Didn't pay attention if camera around.

Have you ever been to Q.11, been told some local action there.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]There has been speculation about taking girls from Catwalk to New World without going downstairs but we never got a clear answer. Same speculation about Renaissance and Club Royale.[/QUOTE]

You can find C cups but watch out lots of nike air bra. I've never seen D before.
I know that implants are getting popular so by fall '08 you might see few silicon Ds.

[QUOTE=GreyDove]Hello all,

I'm planning to visit my hometown for the first time sometime next year in late Fall 2008. Any chance of finding girls with large breasts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Redfield10]Can anyone give me a list of some girl friendly hotels in District 1? And, is the Indochine hotel girl friendly? I guess I'd be looking near HBT, etc. Not too expensive..say under 40 US??
[/QUOTE]

My rule of thumb is that $30 and under is normally girls freindly. For listings look at backpacker and other cheap accomodation sites.

[QUOTE=Teyes].

Have you ever been to Q.11, been told some local action there.[/QUOTE]

Most of the outer districts have Hot Toc (haircut plus) and Bia Om (beer + girls) action but no english is spoken and there have been some reports of rough experiences.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I have seen a couple of bars in this area but never seen anything really attractive inside. Never seen a place called Su's. There is a popular Karaoke called Papa's but the girls don't seem to do much more than sing.

The billiards bar near to Camargue Restaurant has an upstairs room that is pretty private but it has a billiard table and the mama is greedy. Pity - there are some nice girls there.

I have also noticed a loud disco type place opposite the Wild Horse Restaurant. The pickings at about 10 pm did not have a lot of class so I moved on.[/QUOTE]The loud disco you hear is a local club call "Boulevard." They just renovated the place as it used to be upstairs. Now they have taken over the downstairs, which used to be some pizza joint. There's a better bar slightly down Thai Van Lung, right next to Skewers, called "Miss Digan." Much better but not too sure if the girls will go home with you. Never asked.

I still need to make my way into "Bin Bin" on Le Thanh Ton, "Pa-Pa" on Thai Van Lung, and now I see these new small bia-om like places on the side streets of Le Thanh Ton. Weird.

Anybody been to the places mentioned above? Scouting report please.

But I did see this new small diner on Le Thanh Ton near Bottom Line. It looks pretty cool with a 50's design and motif. I will definitely check that out.

I have noticed a recent trend of the last 3 year that a lot of girl are getting implants or as Teyes said "nike air bras." Personally, i'm an ass man and prefer the natural thing regardless. The common sense test will most of the time be right. If a girl is 5ft and 95lbs, there no way in she can grow Cs or Ds. It's very rare to find a viet girl with Ds. mostly Bs.

I dont understand why everyone wants to stay at those big hotels for. It's such a hassle, waste of money, and most importantly gf unfriendly. Most of the hotel on le thanh ton or ly tu trong are new, clean, and are around $30 and under. Save your money for the girls.

[QUOTE=HornyAsianKid]I have noticed a recent trend of the last 3 year that a lot of girl are getting implants or as Teyes said "nike air bras." Personally, i'm an ass man and prefer the natural thing regardless. The common sense test will most of the time be right. If a girl is 5ft and 95lbs, there no way in she can grow Cs or Ds. It's very rare to find a viet girl with Ds. mostly Bs.

I dont understand why everyone wants to stay at those big hotels for. It's such a hassle, waste of money, and most importantly gf unfriendly. Most of the hotel on le thanh ton or ly tu trong are new, clean, and are around $30 and under. Save your money for the girls.[/QUOTE]

Yes - the logic is all there. They want to put the prices up so they can go out and buy bolt-on tits which we the punters do not want.

Your comments on the hotels are spot-on. The small ones have all the facilities I need with good personal service. I just use the lobbies of the big hotels if I need to meet someone.

I was in the Billiards bar near to Camargue Rest and the ladies have a new uniform. Off the shoulder tops with NO bras and short black skirts. There are some nice natural sets on display. Mamasan is still greedy though.

PaPa Bar on Thai Van Lung is a straight forward Karaoke place.
Private rooms, singing, a little touchy feely but not much else. I did see some small booths for 1-2 guys but the girls seem to sit opposite a small table. I arranged to meet one of these girls outside but it was going to be a long slow effort to get some action.

[QUOTE=Rocco Gutt]I will arrive in HCMC friday 30.3. and stay there for two weeks. I have still not decided where to stay regarding hotel. The two options are New World Hotel or some little hotel around pham ngo lao street or De Tham. You can say Hi class or close to the vietnamese streetlife. It depends a bit on guest friendliness..

Does anyone know if New World Hotell is a "guest friendly" hotel that lets you have visitors in your room?

Are you allowed to bring girls from Catwalk to your room? It might be looked at as "inhouse" action(?).

If a hotell has a policy that you can not bring guest after a certain time, lik for example 9 p.m., does that mean that you are free to bring visitors to your room all day until 9 p.m.?

Are the smaller hotels in the area around pham ngo lao and de tham guest friendly?

Of course it is possible to stay at New World and also rent at cheap room around de tham as long as I'm in town. But it is possible that it will be a problem having only one passport?

Even if this might be a RTFF I would appreciate an answer.[/QUOTE]The nw is a pain in the ass completly impossible at night I was one year back there during tet 2006 hotel was may be 20%full same as sgn during tet so I know after 10 pm hard so I was friendly and said we book one room for my 2 friends front desk guy sayes no possible all fully booked. Hello,, it was 10 pm we were 7 people in lobby 1 guy open door one security one duty magaer in the office behind reception and 2 ladys and 1 friend and my self, and they guy told me fully booked. If you know sgn at 10 pm 5 star loby is like a bee house, I say you boy lie to me do you look araound?

Fullybooked. Do you take new drugs. So I called the duty manager. He agree on 20% but can't give room tomuch camera and police he say sorry I say sorry to hasta la vista nw and took small hotel close for 30 usd free loundry no pb. If you have someting consitend and you wanne stay 5 star book under her name let her pay cash as usally no cc than she walk in registred you go 2 m elevaterride later you will not be ask as farang if you life here be smart and fuck the bloody coorupt system.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]PaPa Bar on Thai Van Lung is a straight forward Karaoke place.
Private rooms, singing, a little touchy feely but not much else. I did see some small booths for 1-2 guys but the girls seem to sit opposite a small table. I arranged to meet one of these girls outside but it was going to be a long slow effort to get some action.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback on Pa-Pa, Sudsoz. I noticed you can't find Su bar either. Funny thing is, there's like 3 bars that sounds like Su bar. There's Chu bar on Dong Khoi, Xu bar on Hai Ba Trung and Q bar near the opera house. But none of these bars fit the description that Chesterubi mentioned.

Chesterubi, care to provide more details about the location of Su bar?

Anyways, what I'm really waiting for is the kind of establishments like in Bangkok where they have fish bowls. The closest thing they had here was Amara hotel in one of the karaoke lounge. They lined up 12-15 girls in front of you and you picked one. You drink ($10 a beer - I shit you not) for a few minutes and then take em up to the room upstairs. Total damage was about $150 USD ($70 - girl and $80- room). Yeah, a little too expensive for my taste. But they got busted. Not sure if they are open again.

If anyone knows of any fishbowl like that here, PLEASE let us know.

The upstairs bar at the Amara is closed at present and the KTV at the back (past all the boilers and garbage collection/sorting) is still operating.
This is typical KTV where you choose from a lineup then drink overpriced liquor and sing a little with female company. But no action and no takout - we went there because one of the guys was staying in the hotel and he tried everything.

No action eh? Odd. I went there with my boss, about almost a year ago. I paid $10 for a beer. My boss and his client took 2 girls upstairs for some action. He told me it was $150 total. I said no thanks. But I know they got busetd by the police. Probably didn't "lobby" the right people or got in an disagreement with the cops.

Anyways, I guess that karaoke at Amara isn't doing it anymore.

Yes it seems the old bar upstairs had a good (bad) reputation and that can often be the problem. If the delivery becomes too well known it can be hard to pay enough money or people to keep it going.

the su bar that chesterubi is talking about may have a new name now. anyway it is on the same block as papa, in the middle of the block, just a couple doors uphill from it. there's a gate in front of it. of all the bars of that type (think 49 bar on hbt), it has to be the worst of them all. i think i saw one cute girl in there about 3 yrs ago, and not another since. no idea how they keep the place going. never see customers there, and rent must be high in that neighborhood.

anyway, chu bar is an expat bar with live band, if you feel like hearing some live carpenters. q bar is a pricey/trendy nightclub type bar -- expats and rich vn. xu i haven't been to but hear its about same as q bar. these are all straight places, not in the same category (hello darling!) as the hai ba trung bars (49, 51, u2 etc). su bar is in that category. or tries to be at least.

ben ben (sp?) is worth a visit. one night i went, it was packed with girls, this around 9pm. just absurd number of girls in there. the one i sat with said they had 30. i think a bar that had just closed on hbt sent its staff over there, so they now had double. went again later and the number had reduced a bit, but still has quite a few. another tiny little bar opened just next to it, other side of the alley. peeked in and saw a pretty motley group in there. very claustrophobic -- but things change. maybe it'll improve later.

boulevard was small and dull (and loud). had one drink, left.

so what are these 'small bia-om type places on the side streets off le thanh ton'...? there are some alleys that have japanese bars -- is that what you mean? need a better desciption of what it looks like and its location. if the girls wear ao dais, it's japanese bar. lots of japanese bars on ltt and nearby.

[QUOTE=MrFish]The nw is a pain in the ass completly impossible at night I was one year back there during tet 2006 hotel was may be 20%full same as sgn during tet so I know after 10 pm hard so I was friendly and said we book one room for my 2 friends front desk guy sayes no possible all fully booked. Hello,, it was 10 pm we were 7 people in lobby 1 guy open door one security one duty magaer in the office behind reception and 2 ladys and 1 friend and my self, and they guy told me fully booked. If you know sgn at 10 pm 5 star loby is like a bee house, I say you boy lie to me do you look araound?

Fullybooked. Do you take new drugs. So I called the duty manager. He agree on 20% but can't give room tomuch camera and police he say sorry I say sorry to hasta la vista nw and took small hotel close for 30 usd free loundry no pb. If you have someting consitend and you wanne stay 5 star book under her name let her pay cash as usally no cc than she walk in registred you go 2 m elevaterride later you will not be ask as farang if you life here be smart and fuck the bloody coorupt system.[/QUOTE]

Would appreciate a translation of this into ENGLISH!

Can you advise on the first floor connection from Catwalk to New World Hotel elevators - are there cameras, security?

I have been into that bar a couple of doors up from Papas - it has a garage at the front with a billiard table. Name definitely not Su or anything like it. I only ever sat at the bar counter. They say they have rooms upstairs but I never found the cattle that interesting.

There is another bar further up the hill near the corner - again not much in the way of cattle.

Where is Ben Ben?

I'm pretty sure it USED TO be called Su Bar. I know it isn't now. Maybe the original guy who mentioned it can clear this up, let us know if this is the one he means. I don't remember the current name. The one up further on the corner has gone thru many name changes, and it's now called Chot Nho (don't know English translation). They both stink tho.

Ben Ben is down at the start of Le Thanh Ton (it's a one way, so where you start to drive UP Le Thanh Ton). It's just to the left of the bar that's called Insomnia now (was called Gecko Bar before). It's very easy to miss. Street number is probably 3, 5 or 7.

Mr Fish may be from Singapore or somewhere, Eng is prob his 2nd language... but I think if you just talk to someone inside Catwalk (girl, mamasan) they'll know all the details.

This sounds like the place I was talking about. There is a garage with a pool table and then you walk through to a small bar area. Past this is another room with a bigger better pool table. To get to the back room you pass a stairwell which gives access to the two rooms upstairs.

The rooms are quite large, over 4 m by 4 m, with attached bathroom. As I mentioned in my report it was after midnight and I had had a few jars so I am sure someone told me the name was Su's bar, or maybe that was the name of the girl.

As for the quality of the talent, once again I had had a few jars, but then sometimes a 10 will give a poor performance and a 6 will knock your socks off. Often its about chemistry, not about the looks.

Hopefully I will get back again soon and confirm the name and the quality of talent. [QUOTE=Sudsoz]I have been into that bar a couple of doors up from Papas. It has a garage at the front with a billiard table. Name definitely not Su or anything like it. I only ever sat at the bar counter. They say they have rooms upstairs but I never found the cattle that interesting.

There is another bar further up the hill near the corner. Again not much in the way of cattle.

Where is Ben Ben?[/QUOTE]

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It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

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[quote]Originally Posted by [b]Sudsoz[/b]
[i]I still need to make my way into "Bin Bin" on Le Thanh Ton, "Pa-Pa" on Thai Van Lung, and now I see these new small bia-om like places on the side streets of Le Thanh Ton. Weird.[/i][/quote]

Sudosz: Can you give more information about these new small bia-om places?

thanks

Hi Everyone,

I visited Ho Chi Minh City during the month of March. I was not able to get to meet any of you guys who live there, and I guess it is a good thing! I could not get out, anyway! It seems my wife and her three sisters were sitting for me, and had all ideas that I was not going to get to do anything! Even when I went to the bathroom, I had an escort, to make sure I could not get out the back door. Ha ha Anyway, I wanted you to know, in Phu Nhuan, on Nguyen Khem Street, right across from where Thich Quang Duc Street ends, there is a hotel, I forget the name of it, but on the 6th floor is a Massage Parlor. 70k Dong for a one hour Massage, and you negotiate any extras. 200k dong will get you what you want. Also, on Phan Dang Luu, also in Phu Nhuan, there is a huge Massage place called Nguyen Huu, not far from the corner of Pham Xich Loan Street, that charges 60k for an hour massage, but you better negotiate very hard, unless you are asian. White skin in that place tells them you will pay more. I'm afraid I paid a little too much, however, all's well that ends well. Ha ha Now, all that being said, I have several friends here in the States that are Viet Kieu, and wouldnt you know it? After I got back, they decided to tell me about all the good places downtown in District 1, and when I get all the particulars, I will post it here. Be aware, from what they said, if you know someone who frequents those places, and have a name to give them that they recognize, your negotiations for extra services will go no higher that 50k or 75k Dong, for full service! And you see? Secrets are still kept, but friends are golden! Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Sudosz: Can you give more information about these new small bia-om places?

thanks[/QUOTE]

Not my post - I believe it was Elvis1969.

Oops.

Elvis1969, Can you give any more information about these new small bia-om places you mentioned? Did they have girls in the long Vietnamese traditional dresses? Those are standard at the Japanese bars that are all over that area.

thanks

Wendella - a couple of weeks ago I was in this Le Than Ton area on my own early evening and tried two of these small japanese places with ladies in Aoi Dai. No action, no takeout no nothing.

I did find a couple of small quite bars with nice ladies where there was clearly no action in the bars but the girls were pleased to give me a phone number for a later liaison. One of them was a smallish girl with the best set of natural hooters I have seen in VN. One of these bars was east of Thi Sach and the other one to the west of it near the VN BBQ place.

"Be aware, from what they said, if you know someone who frequents those places, and have a name to give them that they recognize, your negotiations for extra services will go no higher that 50k or 75k Dong, for full service!"

That is not true! There is no way on earth that you can get fs for 50 to 75k. Your friends are either liars or not true mongers. Ask them to come here and chat with us. I will show them how mis-informed they are. For all of you non-asian and can't speak Vietnamese, you may have to pay more because they EXPECT you to do so. But be firm with them once you know the price. In massage place the average hj price in District 1 is 100 to 150K. Some of my Caucasian/Chinese friends ended up paid them 200k or 250k because they didn't want to let the girls down or the girls kept asking for more even I already told the girls not to charge them more than 150k. If hj is 100 to 150k the 75k fs is completely bs.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Wendella - a couple of weeks ago I was in this Le Than Ton area on my own early evening and tried two of these small japanese places with ladies in Aoi Dai. No action, no takeout no nothing.

I did find a couple of small quite bars with nice ladies where there was clearly no action in the bars but the girls were pleased to give me a phone number for a later liaison. One of them was a smallish girl with the best set of natural hooters I have seen in VN. One of these bars was east of Thi Sach and the other one to the west of it near the VN BBQ place.[/QUOTE]


In order to arrange for after hrs activities with these ladies you must be a frequent visitor to the establishment. Once you have established yourself at the business you will have access to services not available the first time around.

Came across this news item.

"April 6, 2007

Chu Hoang Thao Tram
Ho Chi Minh City police raided the Quang Hotel in District 1 Tuesday, cracking a major prostitution ring that provided women for affluent clients and arrested its leader, who also worked as a prostitute.

Chu Hoang Thao Tram, 29, who was caught red-handed "entertaining" a customer in the raid, had allegedly supplied girls to wealthy businessmen at USD $100 per customer. "

Anyone heard of Quang hotel or this lady Tram?

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Came across this news item.

"April 6, 2007

Chu Hoang Thao Tram
Ho Chi Minh City police raided the Quang Hotel in District 1 Tuesday, cracking a major prostitution ring that provided women for affluent clients and arrested its leader, who also worked as a prostitute.

Chu Hoang Thao Tram, 29, who was caught red-handed "entertaining" a customer in the raid, had allegedly supplied girls to wealthy businessmen at USD $100 per customer. "

Anyone heard of Quang hotel or this lady Tram?[/QUOTE]

Quang Hotel is on Nguyen Van Thu St. Ward Da Kao, District 1

Here's a picture pf Thao Tram for the local newspaper

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Came across this news item.

"April 6, 2007

Chu Hoang Thao Tram
Ho Chi Minh City police raided the Quang Hotel in District 1 Tuesday, cracking a major prostitution ring that provided women for affluent clients and arrested its leader, who also worked as a prostitute.

Chu Hoang Thao Tram, 29, who was caught red-handed "entertaining" a customer in the raid, had allegedly supplied girls to wealthy businessmen at USD $100 per customer. "

Anyone heard of Quang hotel or this lady Tram?[/QUOTE]Here's a link with a little more info. The part about "gender-conversion" is a little scary.

[url]http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=26747[/url]

[QUOTE=Adhome01]Here's a link with a little more info. The part about "gender-conversion" is a little scary.

[url]http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=26747[/url][/QUOTE]


I ignored that since I figured it was probably something put in by the gov't to scare off some punters.

I don't have a problem avoiding ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Oops.

Elvis1969, Can you give any more information about these new small bia-om places you mentioned? Did they have girls in the long Vietnamese traditional dresses? Those are standard at the Japanese bars that are all over that area.

thanks[/QUOTE]Hey Wendella. Sorry but I have been away. Yes, I think you maybe right. I walked around that area, around "Bin Bin" and there are a few small alleys with some girls hanging around. One of the places is named "Y Lan Princess."
I think they are Japanese bars/restaurants. I've never noticed but there are a ton of Japanese bars/restaurants on Le Thanh Ton.

Like Sudsoz said, the more you frequent there, the more the girls will open up to you. Literally. heh heh.

There's a new addition on Hai Ba Trung, at #35. Just opened last week. It's really small but the selection of girls is pretty good quality. They're mostly drawn from other bars in the same scene (U2, Bin Bin, etc.). Mostly familiar faces. But worth a visit, it definitely holds its own.

So to round up:

On Mac Thi Buoi there is the infamous U2 bar, which is the raunchiest of the whole bunch. It has a reputation for having girls on the rough side (some older ones and a few that aren't too attractive) but there are at least a couple there who are young and fairly hot. Once in awhile they'll get a new batch, and there've been periods where the hottest girls were at this one. Not lately though, not for over a year. (The stars of U2 will eventually move on to other bars, btw).

There's a small newish bar a few doors down, going toward Dong Khoi (middle of the block) which is ok. Small, not much selection, and usually when I go there it looks like a clear step below.

(the Crystal Bar that was there a long long time, down a ways further on this block, is shut now, gone for good).

There is the corner bar just near U2 (and also a few doors down from the new #35) (corner of Mac Thi Buoi). That one is OK, average compared to other bars in this scene. It can get a bit raunchy, but not to the degree that U2 does - though more than most, I'd say. These things fluctuate though, depending on who you are with.

Now as you round that corner and head up Hai Ba Trung from #35, there is the next side street Dong Du. There's one little bar there near the corner of HBT called Saigon NY. It's very friendly there, very small, and girls are hit and miss. Slightly below average, I'd say. They're less pushy and generally more human than most of the bars though. More comfortable.

Back around to HBT again, and you hit #49. This one has the very convenient back room, where things can get friskier. The selection is fairly large and good, better than average. Not as raunchy as U2 generally, but surprises can happen.

#51 next door is about the same. No back room but an upstairs mezzanine serves the same purpose. Better than average selection and quality. This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They seem to leave pretty quickly though.

Until recently there was a bar in the middle of this block called Nana that closed over a month ago, and all its girls (and mamasan) moved to Bin Bin, which has been talked about here. (see below)

Up from there, it's #91. Lots of girls, probably the best quality and consistency of the whole bunch. There are times when other bars will get better, but over the long run, I think this one takes it. It's also the least frisky in general, though. And it's pretty certain the kinds of things that happen in U2 won't happen here.

Moving on. Going off HBT, over to where Camargue and Vasco are, (if you see the KFC diagonally across HBT from where #91 is, go down THAT side street). On a small block one block away from HBT, you'll see a bar with a smile face -- that bar. It's ok. Big bar, at times it has tons of girls, at others very few (strange). Selection is slightly above average, or slightly below, depending on your luck that night... here things get quite frisky. Upstairs they have one big pool room w 2 tables and another smaller one. Things get much more entertaining upstairs.

Around the corner on Thai Van Lung, there are a few bars just on the other side of Le Thanh Ton (heading north, and uphill a bit).

The first is called just "3" now. I think it was called Su in the past. Small bar, selection usually quite bad and below average. Maybe its changed but I've given this one a try from time to time and just never see anything worth sticking around for.

On the corner of Le Thanh Ton, at the top of the "hill" is a bar that is now called Chot Nho. Back in the day it was called Greenfields. Selection and quality here is definitely below average.

Last in our list is Bin Bin. This is the one at the start of Le Thanh Ton, at about #9 Le Thanh Ton (guessing here). Stopped there last week and there were 20 (I counted) at around 9:30pm. (and some were already upstairs with customers, so there's more) Quality quite good. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. This one can get quite frisky. A few months ago this was a little bar with about 5 girls, but it definitely turned a lot more serious aroudn the time Nana closed.

Almost forgot: just across the alley (#7?) is a brand new tiny little bar, a sliver of a place, with just a few girls that didn't look very enticing. Don't remember the name.

I think that covers all of them. If I missed anything, feel free to add.

I'd say the top tier of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #35, #49, #51 and #91 on HBT, and also Bin Bin now on LTT. Middle tier would be the Smiley bar, the corner bar on HBT and maybe Saigon NY. The rest are in the lower tier. Usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. U2 makes up for its shortcomings in other ways, but would probably have to go in the middle tier in terms of looks. Lower tier on a bad night. The bars on Thai Van Lung, I don't even bother with at this point. They're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places.

By the way, walking up Le Thanh Ton, one of the Japanese bars tried hard to get me to come in and said it's ok not expensive, don't worry. So I'll check that out later sometime, details to come. What I have heard from a girl who works in one of these places is that they charge a ton for everything but don't get many customers. Going for the Japanese market means excluding non-Japanese. But it's a gamble, obviously. If they're popular, great. If not, it's death. I notice very few of the Japanese bars will actually turn a white away (some will though -- Cupid bar, for example). So it seems they could make some kind of happy medium. If they could, they'd make a lot more money. There's a lot of the expats who are tired of the same few old HBT bars, with the same bunch of girls just moving around from bar to bar. There were about twice as many of them back in 2003, so many have shut down.

Back in the day, there were also tons of Hot Tocs on Dien Bien Phu in Binh Thanh district that offered special services. The vast majority of those seem to be gone now. Can anyone update us on the status of those these days?

Wendella has taken the time and trouble to write a very detailed report on the current bars - this is the stuff that should go into ''Reports of Distinction'' and not some floss from a newby.

As always opinions differ.

I think U2 is living on its reputation rather than its current services. Since they renovated they no longer have the notorious upstairs loom so there is only the dark shadows at the back.

My understanding is that the new bar in the middle of MTB is pretty much the old Crystal bar that used to be between the Kim Long and the Thang Long. They moved over to the other side of the Riverside for a while and then came back. They sometimes have some nice new cattle but the mamasan is greedy here.

The Shadow bar that was near there has moved around the corner to bigger premises on Dong Du.

The one on the corner of MBT and HBT often has a nice influx but again the mamasan is greedy.

The Smiley bar near the Camargue has some really nice ladies - I have a couple of ex employess from there that I call to come over from time time. The mamasan is greedy again - basically wants US$100 plus a few lady drinks to take the girls out. But they have nice new uniforms - off the shoulder T-shirts with NO bras. I found the upstairs action expensive for what you really get.

I find the bar on Dong Du to be the most accommodating of the lot with natural friendly girls and a mamasan with whom I (at least) can reach a fair deal.

One memorable night I had a girl from there who cut an all-nighter short to put flowers on her brothers grave as it was the anniversary of his death. I did not expect to see her again but she came back in an hour or so with an unbelievable appetite for sex.

I tried one of those Japanese bars on my own a few weeks back. Nice girls but no action.

There's a couple of small Vietnamese nightclubs up in Phu Nhuan district on Ho Van Hue street, off of Hoang Van Thu (a major street). Paradise is the bigger of the 2. Lots of girls who go table to table. Just across the street is the smaller Bumbi. There was another bar/club just next to Bumbi called Night Star that's just been turned into a karaoke, so a whole different scene now. Both Paradise and Bumbi are very user friendly -- go in, get a table, order a drink (or beer, or a bottle if you're up for a party). Talent fluctuates. Dancers take the "stage" sometimes. In Bumbi the girls who go table to table double as the dancers. If you buy a bottle of something, you'll get extra company at your table -- probably too much. And all of them drinking. You get the idea. Keep the bottle under control. But they tend to get quite cozy under those conditions, so it might be worth it. There used to be quite a few more of these kinds of places, but the last couple of years haven't been kind to them. One called Evergreen Tree (forget the VN name) with 3 nightclub floors and a set of girls on each floor, always very busy, mysteriously shut in the past couple of months. Nhac Tre on Nguyen Van Troi very near it shut down almost 2 years ago -- that place was a hot spot for a long time (also its other location on Le Thanh Thon -- same fate). There's one more in this category called Oxy, on Tran Huy Lieu street. Dance show, girls go table to table. Normally not as good in quality as Paradise or Bumbi, though. Almost forgot: Art Cafe on 3/2 Street, at the corner of Le Hong Phong. Similar to these but a bit more straight laced. Last: Canary Club on Hoang Van Thu (the least interesting of all these -- never have seen anything special in there). It's across from that triangle shaped little park you pass on the way to the airport, tho this club is on a section that is one way going away from the airport. (to get to it, head up Nguyen Van Troi, go all the way around the park and make the left to go back down to NVT again, and it's right there after you make the left... on your right).

If anyone knows of more places that fit this category, please do share the info. There's one other I know of on the far far side of town, in District 6, called 4 in One. It's like these only bigger, and with more girls. Tamer too, though with some legwork anything can happen. The stage shows are something at that place. 2 or 3 girls (and once in awhile a gay looking guy with them) dance to disco songs, sometimes the dance show can be a real jaw dropper.

There's an area of lots of bia oms around Tran Quang Khai. I've actually never been to one where talent was as good as what's on offer above (or in my previous post) though some (Txmanny, for one) claim it isn't so. Search on his old posts and you'll find a couple he recommends in this area. I have heard some wild stories about what goes on in some of these bia oms, including one recent first person report of being in one that had pole dancing. Now keep in mind, this is in a karaoke room, not in a bar. I went to the place and couldn't find anything like what he described though. Name is Hoa Su, just off Tran Quang Khai on ... I think the name of the street is Tran Khac Chan. It's just across from the Lotteria on the five-corner intersection. If you're in that spot, you'll see it. But, it may have been a one shot deal the guy witnessed. Who knows. If you go, you probably need a VNese with you so you can cut to the chase. Otherwise you can expect to end up in a normal karaoke room with very normal girls in very long dresses.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]
I think U2 is living on its reputation rather than its current services. Since they renovated they no longer have the notorious upstairs room so there is only the dark shadows at the back.[/QUOTE]That upstairs was skanky, man. You could look down through the floorboards into the bar underneath. Or so I hear. ;-) But compared to what's out there now, U2 is still a good couple of levels sleazier. Only the shadows at the back? Deeply weird things happen in those shadows. No other bar has shadows quite like those shadows.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]
the new bar in the middle of MTB is pretty much the old Crystal bar that used to be between the Kim Long and the Thang Long. [/QUOTE]Didn't know that. In any case, it's barely worth ever visiting -- then, now or in the future, wherever it was, is or will be.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The Shadow bar that was near there has moved around the corner to bigger premises on Dong Du.[/QUOTE]Yes but be clear, this one isn't in the same category as what we're talking about. It's just a normal bar.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The Smiley bar ... I found the upstairs action expensive for what you really get.[/QUOTE]True, I think that particular kind of entertainment appeals more to tourists, or anyone else who won't be coming back again. They can be bargained down a little bit, but by then you'll probably be so bent out of shape from the fight that it wouldn't be enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz] I find the bar on Dong Du to be the most accommodating of the lot with natural friendly girls and a mamasan with whom I (at least) can reach a fair deal. [/QUOTE]Haven't gone out with anyone from there. Are all of them available? What about the ones in Ao Dais?

Wendella,

Thanks for your series of reports about places off the HBT beaten track. These are the best and most inclusive of any I've seen here.

Do you (or anyone else) know about the sidewalk enterprise that used to operate at Lam Son Square almost in front of the Caravelle Hotel? A small, young, Viet guy named Lam used to have a bevy of girls sitting at the typical, tiny plastic tables, others in the shadows, all available for short or long time.

I'd often stumble by there on my way home after a night of HBT carousing. I'd usually just sit down at one of the tables with the intention of having a last nightcap beer........but 90% of the time, I'd soon be grabbing a cab from the taxi park with a friendly lady and heading off to a mini.

He was gone when I visited last December, but he was a straight shooter and very customer-service oriented. Now that Lam Son Square has been prettified, he may have set up shop somewhere else. If so, I sure like to know where.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

Yes but be clear, this one isn't in the same category as what we're talking about. It's just a normal bar. [/QUOTE]

Yes this Crystal Bar is a 'normal'' bar but quite well run. I often go there to watch sports rather than at the Club Italia down the road.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

True, I think that particular kind of entertainment appeals more to tourists, or anyone else who won't be coming back again. They can be bargained down a little bit, but by then you'll probably be so bent out of shape from the fight that it wouldn't be enjoyable. [/QUOTE]

Smiley Bar.

Quite right - the fight with the mama over the price and the lady drinks takes the edge off the deal a bit. I tend to get phone numbers and try to make outside arrangements. Only ever seem to go upstairs after too much red wine at Camargue or Skewers.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

Dong Du Bar

Haven't gone out with anyone from there. Are all of them available? What about the ones in Ao Dais?[/QUOTE]

There are one or two bar hostesses who are always in Aoi Dai and who do not go out but the others do. Recently the others have been in a modified Aoi Dai but I have taken girls from there in the full deal Aoi Dai and had fun getting them out of it.

[QUOTE=Co Van My]

Do you (or anyone else) know about the sidewalk enterprise that used to operate at Lam Son Square almost in front of the Caravelle Hotel?

[/QUOTE]

Is Lam Son Square the park on Le Loi or do you mean the open space in front of the Lion Brewhouse?

Last year one would encounter girls amongst the bikes in front of Lion Brewhouse but I did not realise it was an organised operation. Have not seen this action in this area this year.

Lam Son is yes in front of Lion. Do you mean down by where the shops are selling miniature sailing ships? Because over there I have seen girls from the HBT bars sitting and chatting after their businesses closed, and obviously trying to squeeze in a bit more business before going home. I wasn't aware of this other (if there's another) Lam Son setup. So status now, don't know. It could be it was just not there that night, or the nights you went, which happens in most of these places.

Sudsoz I think you meant Shadow bar is where you watch sports, right? (you said Crystal)

My fights at Smiley bar are always with the girl. Not a fight, really. Just a kind of long pestering. A struggle. Typical would be where I'm not interested, and the price keeps getting lower, until finally it's tempting... so I say OK, but then she thinks of some excuse to jack the price back up a bit higher, like "ok but must buy me two more drinks ok?" Ugh. I never deal with anyone else other than who I'm with. Maybe that's your problem. ;-) Anyway, your takeaway price seems way way high. $50 plus the X number of drinks (4, 5, 6) is pretty standard in most of these places. Either way, your method is better, stick with it.

Yep - Shadow is the one with sports.

I find that in the Smiley bar and the one on the corner of HBT/MTB I will start negotiating with the girl and it becomes pretty clear that the girl is just the messenger and there is someone else who is calling the shots. So I will cut to the chase and negotiate direct. Doesn't make it any easier though.

Both of these bars and the Crystal bar seem to want $100 plus several drinks for LT. I suppose Wendella's $50 plus several drinks for ST is a little bit less on the same scale.

I have known the corner bar to pass up an offer of $60 at 11.45 when there were obviously no other customers around. Recently when I walk past at night with a girl from somewhere else I make a point of telling the spruiker to go tell mama I have a nice lady for $60 for LT.

At the Dong Do bar last night I walked and bought a favourite a drink and discovered she was on the rags so I got the mama to make some suggestions. I bought my new selection and the mama a drink before leaving without any discussion of price. She and I both knew it was VND1 mil for all night.

I wandered in here last night. Seemed to be about 10 ladies about half of them were with customers. The ones left over were pretty scrauny compared to the ones with customers but I picked one and bought her a drink. Was quickly guided into a little booth with partitions where a little exploration can go on.

When the conversation turned to ''we go hotel'' (about 25 seconds) I was quoted an opening price of $70. Probably this was for ST and is therefore a little expensive. Never got around to discussing LT/ST since there was this insistence that she could not come to my hotel - which she can.

Will check out the other cattle some time.

Drove out there one night this past week around 8pm. There are still 5 of these hot tocs left on that one stretch of Dien Bien Phu street just as you enter from District 1, all of them before the big roundabout.

They're:

#90 -- this one is a favorite of a friend of mine, who went there regularly before moving to Singapore

#324 -- I went to this one once. No complaints. Cute girl, pretty good at her job. If there was one off-putting detail, it was how after we got done, someone went over to a white board on the wall and put a line next to a girl's name (my girl's, I suppose) and then next did the same for my friend's girl, and I could see the number of lines meant I was 7th that day. I was just a line on the tally board now. Funny.

#358 -- haven't tried it.

#390 -- haven't tried it.

All these are on the south side of the street as you head from District 1 to the roundabout. Some of the addresses are guesses because the shop itself doesn't seem to display its own number, so I guessed 358 because the shop right next door is 360.

There's one more on the north side of the street, so you would get there by going around the roundabout and heading back down DBP toward District 1 again.

#38A

Why this one has an even number when it's on the opposite side of the street, and all the rest of the shops on that street have odd numbers, no idea. It looks very dead compared to the ones on the south side of the street anyway.

There used to be a LOT more of these shops out there, up until a couple of years ago. I think it was about ten on the south side and 3 or 4 on the north side, many with girls sitting out in front. Much more quiet now, with nobody sitting outside anymore. Anyway, I've only tried one of them once. Service there was ok for the price. My friend the ex-regular says his service was usually excellent (CIY + drinking) and inspired by good tips. I might get back out there one of these days and give it another go. Most of them close at 9pm or so, by the way. Not sure but seem to remember that.

Wendella:

Your reports are great! Keep up the good work!

I also like the way you told off the Horny Asian Kid who was huffing and puffing about his "expertise" when he was really full of crap.

Canyon

The poolice have been giving the bars around Hai Bai Trung a hard time over the last few days - checking the girls for their permit to work in Saigon.

On Sunday night at 10 pm most of the HBT bars were shut or had one or two girls in overcoats. There were groups of girls in their overcoats roaming the side streets trying to get back to their bars without encountering the poolice.

Last night I even saw the poolice checking papers in the Red Hot Chile bar which is a quiet drinking spot with girls in Aoi Dai but no takeout.

One of the mamasans tells me that this will probably go on for another week or so as they ''clean the place up'' for the Mayday celebrations.

Apparently U2 bar just moved, it's now around the corner on Dong Khoi street, not far from where it was up until a few nights ago. I was there on what they told me was its last night operating in that spot, that they'd move around the corner the next day. So I think it's at 28 Dong Khoi now, or thereabout.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Apparently U2 bar just moved, it's now around the corner on Dong Khoi street, not far from where it was up until a few nights ago. I was there on what they told me was its last night operating in that spot, that they'd move around the corner the next day. So I think it's at 28 Dong Khoi now, or thereabout.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps their new premises will see a return to the old U2 action.

There is another little bar on Dong Khoi opposite the Grand Hotel, calling itself the Hard Rock. Down an alley and upstairs. Grim little place with grim women!

I was in transit overnight at HCM after came back from business trip in Vung Tau. I stayed at the Sheraton Hotel. I checked into hotel and then went out to Four Season for dinner. I was wandering back to hotel and pass Bar 51 on HBT and found myself dragged in!!! I walked on. The bar I finally sat down in just a couple of doors away was pushy as well - I decided to go in for a beer. An old (3 on my scale) sat next to me and I told her I wasn't interested. The next girl said nothing whatsoever to me except 'you buy me one drink now?’ I kept just replying 'no' and finally she left. However another girl serving behind the bar was young and cute. She has nice curves and larger breasts than I'm used to in Vung Tau. I asked her if she would sit with me. After much bargaining, we agreed on BJ upstairs for 250,000 dong and one 50,000 dong lady drink.

Upstairs she gave decent head, but as usually I couldn't come that way, so I proposed FJ. She was very nervous about that - upstairs they only have a pool table and some chairs, and anyone can come in. She wouldn't do it so I offered more money for extra service. We settled on additional 300,000 dong and one more lady drink. Then she climbed on top and started to work it slowly in, with no request for a condom. I stopped her because I couldn’t take any risk by going bareback. I always have spare cap in my wallet for a moment like this. She moved very nicely, and I sucked her nipples while she rode. After a short, awkward, but fun time in the strait backed chair, I finished by pulling out my cap and my shot ended up on her breast.

Night was still quite young and I wanted to do some more exploring in the area. However I felt so tired after some much mongering in Vung Tau for last couple of nights and decided to call of the day. I flew back to KL on early morning flight.

Hello everyone,

Didn't know there is such a website like this one. It's awesome! For the past few times I was in VN, I had done much girls searching on my own. Fortunately, I speak, read & write the language somewhat. That certainly is a big advantage. Wendella, Sudsoz & other senior members, you guys have a lot of great info here. Thanks. I didn't know the HBT is such a hot area. Asian Rain did a great report about the girls on Ng. Thi Minh Khai st. Been there, but never picked up a girl there. The scene just doesn't look right. There are lots of pimps & drug addicts there. It just looks too uncomfortable for me.

I will start to contribute what I know & only if I know. There is a piece of article today or a couple of days ago about those Cafe Oms on Lac Long Quan, ward 9, dist. Tan Binh. Been there done there! There's this one cafe om place called Thien Thai on Lac Long Quan st. just east of Au Co st. in Dist Tan Binh/Dist. 11. There are lots of hot looking girls there. 10k for the drink, & 30-50k for the girls. You can touch them & grope them. If you want anything more than that, you would have to come back a couple more times, they would take you back to their apartments during their afternoon breaks or after work for a fee, of course. None of them speaks any English, I don't think. It's been over a year now so it might not be there anymore as cafe shops like that don't seem to last long. There are lots more places like that no westerners have ever frequented in other districts outside the touristy areas. I always feel that paying anything more than $50 for a ST is way too much in VN.

I have a couple of questions. In my memory, the closed down Sahara was the best there was. Is there anything like that nowadays? Since I'm new to this adult entertainment forum,what's a mongerer? Someone looks for sex in a foreign country?

I will be around & hope I can help anyone out. Have fun mongering, you all!

[QUOTE=Wendella]Apparently U2 bar just moved, it's now around the corner on Dong Khoi street, not far from where it was up until a few nights ago. I was there on what they told me was its last night operating in that spot, that they'd move around the corner the next day. So I think it's at 28 Dong Khoi now, or thereabout.[/QUOTE]I went there on Saturday night, some stunners but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks. Its at Number 29 Dong Khoi. I believe the Bar is now called 29!

[QUOTE=J D Cooper]I went there on Saturday night, some stunners but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks. Its at Number 29 Dong Khoi. I believe the Bar is now called 29![/QUOTE]

Give me some landmarks. Near where - Maxims, Underground, German Biergarten etc ?

Hello,,,

A very infrequent contributor here, (Tokyo and Chicago forums). Now doing regular trips to HCMC. Staying at Caravelle, had tried the Banana massage on offer at Jasmine Sauna, to the left of the Continental Hotel, paying $10 for the massage and overpaying $20 for the single pop with roaming hands. Did that couple of times the first day.

RTFF and took a trip round the block passing #91 etc to end up at Japanese sounding Spa near the Sheraton, (Sachi or Asahi, maybe) and went up the narrow stairs, cute cute girl, with older girl giving pretty good massage ($8 included the 20% off). When came time for the flip, I was more aggressive, asked for FS, hoping another 'secret room' would magically become available, and wouldnt budge from VND$400, 000 for FS. They haggled, I backed down from the FS and settled on VND$400k for two girl BBBJ taking turns, sucking nipples etc. Bonus: the older girl, who didn't want the BBBJ at first had bigger boobs, because she had a baby! So I got fed as well! Hehe!

Anyway, the next day, wandered around, decided to let a Honda taxibike driver take me to a place for some ST. Big risk, but WTF I thought! I pre-negotiate VND$400k, but settle on VND$550k for 1hr ST FS, including the mini-hotel charge and the bike there and back to hotel. Had him drop me to Caravelle, wait outside while I dumped money, watch, credits cards, ID etc and come down with VND$550k, letting him know that was all I was gonna get on his bike with, so the deal better be legit. (except I did hide a $100k in my shoe in case I get duped and need a cab home! ) The guy spoke pretty good English, and said he used to manage a Massage place, which he took me by to look. (He is 43, married for 3 yrs, and has a son on the way! )

The bike ride to the mini-hotel, still in Q1 takes about 8-10 minutes. The cost breaks down like this, VND$200k for the Hotel, VND$300k (USD$24! ) for the gorgeous 20yr old, who loves herself more than me**, but can't help but pop a couple of O's. (**my arse looked great in the mirror I thought. Hahah) and VND$50k for the driver. He said he would call as many girls as I needed to come in until I found the right one, but I gave him my specs, and he nailed it first time!

Since he was way too helpful, I slid him another VND$150k, on the basis that he help fellow mongers who call him. He said no probs, and now I have the cell number of Mr. H! I will definitely use him next trip, everyday I think, and am willing to share the digits with seasoned posters on this site via I/M. They can be the custodians of his details, to give to other mongers they trust or know better than me. I hope you'd follow my lead in giving him a $100k more at least. His earns it through his trust.

So, if you're lucky enough to have Sudsoz and Wendella's confidence, and they e-mail you the digits, tell Mr H. 'nihongobrit' told you to call. He stored that ID in his cell phone. He'll come and pick you up, take you there, wait and then drop you back. I hope you guys are okay with that?

Also, I will be back in June, so if any of you want to do some hunting in packs, let me know. I am usually the lone wolf, but know a fellow mongerer is never far away!

Off to Taipei tomorrow, where our pastime sucks. Then onto Tokyo next week. Let me know of anything popping in those places if you have the knowledge.

Ciao bellos, Nihongobrit

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Very interesting. Thanks for that.

Was looking forward to getting a look at those promised photos... are those still on the way?

Thanks all for the super reports. I wonder if someone could explain in a little more detail for this newby what actually happens after the deal is struck? Are there things to watch out for in the cab, at the hotel desk, etc? Do they ask for your passport? What's the protocol? Etc. Are cops are concern for westerners? I feel more vulnerable after I get out of the bar, and I want to minimize the anxiety and enjoy the experience.

Thanks,

Berty

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Perhaps their new premises will see a return to the old U2 action.[/QUOTE]

Your prayers have been answered. There's a strange little room upstairs, you kind of climb through a window-like hole in the wall to get in there, and it's a tiny little room with a couple of couches, lower than floor-level. Kind of a love cave. Not as private as it could (should) be. I believe a full range of services are offered in the Cave.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Your prayers have been answered. There's a strange little room upstairs, you kind of climb through a window-like hole in the wall to get in there, and it's a tiny little room with a couple of couches, lower than floor-level. Kind of a love cave. Not as private as it could (should) be. I believe a full range of services are offered in the Cave.[/QUOTE]That room didn't have a curtain let alone a door & it is just as W said, a crawl through, still desperate times often call for desperate measures!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Give me some landmarks. Near where - Maxims, Underground, German Biergarten etc ?[/QUOTE]Sorry, don't know HCMC very well but I will put a picture up in the Picture Forum! Maybe this will assist! Basically its about 3 blocks south of where U2 was was on a fairly main shopping street!

[QUOTE=J D Cooper]Sorry, don't know HCMC very well but I will put a picture up in the Picture Forum! Maybe this will assist! Basically its about 3 blocks south of where U2 was was on a fairly main shopping street![/QUOTE]

Bar 29 (the old U2 staff plus some new ones) is on Dong Khoi almost diagonally opposite the Grand Hotel and a few doors from Maxims Restaurant.

I did not go upstairs but I was told it was more bar area - no mention of special 'looms'.

[QUOTE=J D Cooper] but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks. [/QUOTE]

I did not have a lot of time so I did a quick recce at Bar 29 and the new one on Hai Bai Trung.

At each I buy one beer and one lady drink so the bill is VND75000. Check out the ladies assets over the next ten minutes or so and when I walk out I leave the balance of a VND100,000 bill as a tip. In each case they all carry on like I am a cheap Charlie. This wingeing and whineing for tips really gets up my nose.

Here is what happened to the action upstairs at the Amara. Newspaper report from another form

Bribes etc will keep a place going until it starts to get too much publicity and then the authorities will move in. Better to deal with ladies on a one to one basis.

Vietnam latest news:
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:24:34 Vietnam (GMT+07)

Vietnam court jails hotel employee-pimp

A 37-year-old woman who procured sex workers for guests at an upmarket Ho Chi Minh City hotel was sentenced to five years in jail Thursday.
A city court found Vo Thi Hong Hanh, a karaoke and bar manager at the four-star Amara Hotel, guilty of “brokering prostitution”.

Police said the prostitutes working under Hanh’s supervision had paid her in the form of jewels since she refused to take cash. She believed that would save her from arrest if the police busted the gang.

In March last year, some 50 undercover police officers raided the hotel and caught three prostitutes ‘in the act’ with Japanese men.

Hanh was arrested shortly afterwards along with 38 young women, 35 of whom confessed to entertaining mostly Japanese and Korean men three or four times a week for US$100 a night or VND1 million ($63) for an hour.

The police said all the women were young and pretty, owned expensive motorbikes, and joined Hanh’s racket for one or two years.

Prostitution in any form is illegal in Vietnam.

Hi all,

I wondering how mutch it cost for a night with a local.

Few year's ago I use to stay in Hanoi. And the rate was not so expensive if you are abble to negociat in vietnamese around 200,000 TO 4OO,OOO vn dong depend on the girl for over nigth.

It was 3years a go, I know that HCV is quit more expensive.

So if any of you do speak a little of vietnamese and know and know the local rates.

And where is the place for mongering? I use to go in the "APO" but I wonder if it still open in saigon, or going arround Dong Khoi ST.

In exchange I can give you som tips about Hanoi.

Crazy Rapha

HI Sudsoz,

If you're still in Vietnam, let me know how I can contact you. (you know where to get me) On a mission this weekend in trying to look for the so called "no Hands" restaurant.

Hi all,

I didn't realise until I read the posts in ISG that there were so many "illicit deeds" going on in HCMC.

The other day I walked into this hot toc place to get my hair cut (with no other intensions)

There were about 5 girls and 2 guys. The girls were just hanging around in a pretty uniform. It was in the morning, and there was only one you*ly woman whose hair was attended by a heavily pregnant woman.

As soon as I entered the place, I felt strange, thinking "Is this the type of establishment that ISG members were talking about? "

A young man sat me down and started to cut my hair. While cutting, I felt the constant gazing on my back, and all the time I was wondering "what would happen when I finish my hair cut? " "should I enquire about the deed? " "but if I am wrong. " BTW, I don’t speak VN.

When finished, I got up the chair, and walked to the cashier. A girl (hair dresser? ) who was sitting next to me looked at me and said "beautiful". Well, nobody said "beautiful" to me in my entire life. When I got to the counter, there were 4 girls standing or waiting. Waiting for what? One of the girls was very pretty; probably early 20s. I said "how much? 15000VND? " I mean a hair cut. While I was paying the money, all the girls were looking at me, expecting me to say something.

Did I miss something here? Should I have taken the "beautiful" as a "F*** me"?

It was a bit surreal. There were no sleaze factors in this place other than the girl’s stares.

I will check it out and report. But this has to wait until such time when my hair grows longer.

But I am a bit apprehensive. Can anyone who has experience at a BBS tell us what the procedure would be? How does it work? Does your hair have to be long to go into these places?

Thanks

Larry,
You don't have to wait until your hair gets long in order to go back there. Just go back there and tell you want your hair wash only. Can you PM me the address and I'll check it out for you.

[QUOTE=Newbie]HI Sudsoz,

If you're still in Vietnam, let me know how I can contact you. (you know where to get me) On a mission this weekend in trying to look for the so called "no Hands" restaurant.[/QUOTE]

I am still in Saigon for a day or so and trying to fit in a couple of private encounters before I leave. My local enquiries have drawn a blank on the hands free place. Lots of good bar scene changes and lots of new meat on display.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Lots of good bar scene changes and lots of new meat on display.[/QUOTE]

Any big changes other than what's up here already? New? Where? If you have any info, let us know...!

[QUOTE=Wendella]Any big changes other than what's up here already? New? Where? If you have any info, let us know...![/QUOTE]

The major changes (U2 to Club 29, HBT Bar35 etc) are all reported in the forum but what I do see is an apparent influx of new fresh blood which suits my taste just fine.

Is it much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment in Vietnam rather than a hotel? I've been in Vietnam for 2 years, but have been living in mini hotels because I've been travelling around a lot. I am too embarrassed to bring a girl back to the mini hotel, because the families know me for a long time and I don't want them to think I'm "bad man."

I assume it's much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment, but don't really know. Is it? Are there "security" goons who will try to stop her?

Is there a difference if she's a girlfriend or a pro?

Is it possible to rent apartments for short terms, like 3 or 6 months? I mean for reasonable local prices, not "foreign executive" prices. Where would I find these apartments, in the newspaper?

Thanks to anyone who has some answers.

I do remember reading about 29 and 35 here... um, I mean, writing about them. ;-)

So I guess it's this apparent influx I'm hoping you expand upon. ;-)

Where have you noticed new talent? I sure haven't. I mainly notice the same old talent being moved back and forth between this place and that one. Even the bars move back and forth these days. If anything, I've noticed what little new talent there was disappearing suddenly. A lot of that lately.

[QUOTE=Whisper1]Larry,

You don't have to wait until your hair gets long in order to go back there. Just go back there and tell you want your hair wash only. Can you PM me the address and I'll check it out for you.[/QUOTE]Whisper,

You cheaky s*d! :-)

LLL

Wendella - I found several nice new ones in Bar 29 - learning all the good tricks from the old U2 staff. Smiley Bar near Camargue has some new stock and Bar Saigon (Dong Do) has had some turnover. Bar 35 seems to be a mixture of girls from other bars and some newbies. Papas KTV on Duong Dong has become BaBa with some cuties and the bar next it has got rid of the hags and found some new ones. There are also some new (non Jap) bars on Le Than Ton.

The changes are incremental but enough to enhance my enjoyment.

Friday and Saturday seem to be raid nights on Hai Bai Trung. Lots of bar girls in overcoats roaming the streets.

OK maybe I need to check those places again more carefully.

But...
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Papas KTV on Duong Dong has become BaBa with some cuties and the bar next it has got rid of the hags and found some new ones. [/QUOTE] Duong Dong? I don't know that street. You don't mean Thai Van Lung?

and...

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]There are also some new (non Jap) bars on Le Than Ton.[/QUOTE] WHich are these? There was the tiny bar next to Bin Bin on LTT that I reported about here... others?

Thanks again. Every bit helps.

[QUOTE=Wendella]
But...
Duong Dong? I don't know that street. You don't mean Thai Van Lung?

[/QUOTE]

Yes Thai Van Lung - I was looking at a map off the web that was wrong.

The new ones on Le Than Ton are about half way along. Amongst the Japanese Aoi Dai bars there was one new small BmD and takeout bar and another 'legit' bar with some cute staff. Too stewed to get numbers.

Hi,

First time going HCMC with group and one viet girl (gf of sorts of one of the guys).

May I know what kind of services are available in the hot tocs or shampoo places?

Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?

[QUOTE=Jazzy Boy] May I know what kind of services are available in the hot tocs or shampoo places? Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?[/QUOTE]

The massage places in HCMC all give you a pair of their shorts to wear and take other measures to avoid hanky panky. If you bluster enough you avoid the shorts but anything else is luck of the draw.

[QUOTE=Jazzy Boy]
Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?[/QUOTE]

You have the wrong country. You obviously want Thailand. Massage in Vietnam is nothing like what you get in Thailand. There's no soapie anything, no inflatable mattresses and no naked girls, period. What is available in any shady massage or hot tocs pales in comparison to what's on offer in Thailand. Get ready to be very disappointed. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Gumbyy]Is it much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment in Vietnam rather than a hotel? I've been in Vietnam for 2 years, but have been living in mini hotels because I've been travelling around a lot. I am too embarrassed to bring a girl back to the mini hotel, because the families know me for a long time and I don't want them to think I'm "bad man."

I assume it's much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment, but don't really know. Is it? Are there "security" goons who will try to stop her?

Is there a difference if she's a girlfriend or a pro?

Is it possible to rent apartments for short terms, like 3 or 6 months? I mean for reasonable local prices, not "foreign executive" prices. Where would I find these apartments, in the newspaper?

Thanks to anyone who has some answers.[/QUOTE]Try small private serviced apartments, plenty of those in Vietnam News. Or ask your colleagues, gentlemen of course. I'm sure they would help you out.

Hi guys,

Where can find the link on this forum about these bar, or any one of you have the add of these bar?

Thx,

Rapha

[QUOTE=Raphael Lovaa]Hi guys,

Where can find the link on this forum about these bar, or any one of you have the add of these bar?

Thx,

Rapha[/QUOTE]


Its all there in the forum.

Family companions preclude doing anything by night in HCMC. Could anyone suggest a late afternoon place offering good erotic massage and/or places offering FS options. Street action would be okay too. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Antonio]Family companions preclude doing anything by night in HCMC. Could anyone suggest a late afternoon place offering good erotic massage and/or places offering FS options. Street action would be okay too. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

The bars sort of open their doors at about 5 and, as discussed, massage in HCMC is very hit and miss. I have seen pretty obvious WG in the coffee shops near opera and carravelle area mid afternoon. In the area around Dong Do and Dong Khoi you might say hello to attractive ladies wandering without a lot of purpose. You might find something as the WG have a indefinable difference even by day.

If you turn up at the bars early (5 or close to), make it clear you need something, girls will turn up pretty quickly. Have had Erotic massage (BBBJ) right there in the room with pool tables and if you are shy upstairs will be available! Can't remember which of the several around the block from Carravelle, but i'm sure they all will cater for you.

Ozirob

Scroll back a bit (or do a search) to find info about the hot tocs on Dien Bien Phu. I posted those addresses a few weeks back.

Many of the Hai Ba Trung bars open early and have a few girls around, at least. Some more, some less.

Sudsoz, which cafes are you talking about? Can you give any more detail than that? I hit cafes sometimes but haven't seen any obvious WG's. Maybe I need to get my vision checked.

To the guys asking newbie-style questions, yes you should scroll back a ways and do some reading of what's been posted before you got here. Search works ok too, if you have some idea of what you're after.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

Sudsoz, which cafes are you talking about? Can you give any more detail than that? I hit cafes sometimes but haven't seen any obvious WG's. Maybe I need to get my vision checked. [/QUOTE]

The ones I have seen occasionally were clearly a bit overdressed and hanging around at Highland, Illy and the other coffee shops near there. Too professional looking for me so I passed. I have also had some more natural encounters at Givral.

I have not been back recently since the hotel I use fixed its broadband so I have no need of the coffee shops with WiFi.

[quote=sudsoz]the ones i have seen occasionally were clearly a bit overdressed and hanging around at highland, illy and the other coffee shops near there. too professional looking for me so i passed. i have also had some more natural encounters at givral.

i have not been back recently since the hotel i use fixed its broadband so i have no need of the coffee shops with wifi.[/quote]

maybe i'll take a peek soon -- not often down there afternoons. givral, i don't know that one. "natural encounters" -- sounds very spiritual. ;-)

Givral is a chain of coffee shop /restaurants. One is on the corner opposite Opera and the Continental Hotel and the other is under the Palace Hotel on Nguyen Hue. The one at the Palace gets a lot of nice corporate style ladies in there.

Hi sudsos,

I try to find the U2 café on google. Nothing if you can just give me the diestrict and the st that would be nice, or just sugest me any good area to seeking som Wg Semi Pro like arround the hometown or near the caravelle.

Thx by advance

Rapha

Sorry I am newbies in Saigon

OK not really. It moved. It's at 29 Dong Khoi in District 1.

"Semi pro like in the hometown"? I don't know what you mean, but...

for pro you want Hai Ba Trung near the river, many in that area. Can't miss the places, just walk around, you'll see it. For semi, go to the discos I guess. Much tougher to crack that though, esp as a newbie.

Like Wendella says U2 is now bar 29 situated on Dong Khoi diagonally opposite the Grand Hotel. Other bars in centre of D1 are on Dong Do, Hai Bai Trung and Mac Thi Boui - all an easy walk from the Caravelle.

Pardon me, my English I not that good. I want to mean the town hall sorry.

When I went to Saigon few year ago I had a talk with some girls who were in cafee near Pasteur.

But to be honest tooke me almost two or tree" day's to get what I want in exchange of a diner in good korean restaurant, and a little shopping session heheh

Speaking Vietnamese help me a lot even if I can' t understand time time south accent.

I call them semi pro, they won't ask for money

But they await in return small gifts, which is the similar one way.

[QUOTE=Teoti]Hi All,

Anyone know about Massage Rona on Huynh Thuc Khang street, Dictric 1, Ho Chi Minh City in vietnamese called Massage Hai Van ?

I want to know : what is the price? How for the tip HJ , BJ ? do the girls make FJ inside, or I ask the girl go out? And how much is it?

Please give me yours experienced about Massage Rona. Is it the same Ky Dong Massage at Dictric 3.

Thank you[/QUOTE]I wonder if any had tried Rona and can give feedback (massage quality, options, fee). Is it stil opened, where is Huynh Thuc Khang exactly.

Ky Dong massage changed their price last year, I think its 150k and 300k for VIP room. Haven't been for a long time, any info?

I just finished a week in HCM while setting up a brokerage account and though very skeptical, if not downright cynical when I first arrived based on my previous trip to HCM, I left there very satisfied, if not blissfully satiated. Of the myriad encounters my best was a threesome with a woman whom I initially turned down based on rate she quoted for ST - $50 USD - (+ mini hotel of $20 for 2 hr) as it was predicated upon a 40% cut due the mamasan. Two days later I phoned her before work, she agreed to meet but insisted on $30 for the 4 hours I wanted, when I pointed out that the mamasan was not involved she offered to include her cousin who was equally busty for the same price.

I rented a room on Pham Ngu Lao at a rate of $7/night since my hotel - the new May Hotel - would not allow guests, it was clean, comfortable, and convenient. I explained upon check-in that I would have 2 "friends" visiting me shortly for several hours and confirmed that was ok.

When my "friends" arrived it raised a few eyebrows but they honored their word. They were both very busty yet slim and trim otherwise. They initially promised 3 pops in 3 hours, but by the time I experienced 2 the girls were showing signs of fatigue.....Of course when the time came to pay - I tipped an extra $10 - they insisted they had meant $30/each. Needless to say I was very blunt and firm that I would not buy into their charade. They quickly capitulated, I think largely out of fatigue, took the money and left;
Overall it was very satisfying experience.

My others included a very sexy girl with a lithe body who for the price of two t-shirts I bought ($15) her at boutique entertained me for 3 hours back at my hotel with amazing intensity. The last experience was a motogirl the last night who probably was the most physical, passionate, and playful of the lot, and to the end was very non-committal about payment. She left with a nice tip if for nothing else the attitude and aptitude she displayed even when no compensation had been guaranteed.

Lastly, I will be going back to HCM in the next few weeks and will follow up on several "invitations" I received from professional women (non SW) who will are willing to fulfill the role of LT girlfriend - gratis. In fact, I've already been approached on two different occassions by casual associates who let it be know that if I was willing to "marry" a local girl their families would pay me upwards of $40,000 US to get them to theUS, obtain a greencard, file for divorce, and return.

Though I'm 40, and still single, that proposition holds little appeal, the brokerage account will be worth far more with far fewer strings attached.

Happy Hunting

Mackay33 - nice report. Noticed its the same as in the other place. Welcome - I think you will find this place more informative and friendly. Happy hunting.

As far as massage parlors go, I find them a total waste. Not just the fact that you can't pick the girl, and you get a room with a window in the door to protect against hanky panky, often not even walls, but a curtained-off room like in a hospital where anyone nearby can hear your every gasp, but also the fact that the girls are usually (in my admittedly very limited experience) tiny girls, maybe the profession requires tiny girls because they can walk on your back without killing you.

Far better to go to most any hot toc. As soon as they see a westerner they almost always say "Massage?" But in a hot toc, you can see and choose the girl. Lots of pretty girls in hot tocs. The hardest part is trying to look them over from outside while they are all staring and smiling at you and pressuring you to come in, and everyone passing by outside is staring at you, fully aware of what you're up to.

What a world. This IS 2007, isn't it? The medieval popes still rule.

I was just there last week. Same price..same service..extras is always depends on who you get.


Damn I miss Vietnam already..





[QUOTE=Teyes]I wonder if any had tried Rona and can give feedback (massage quality, options, fee). Is it stil opened, where is Huynh Thuc Khang exactly.

Ky Dong massage changed their price last year, I think its 150k and 300k for VIP room. Haven't been for a long time, any info?[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I need some assistance here. I am urgently requested to go on a trip to HCMC next week and will put up at the Park Hyatt.

1. is this hotel GF?

2. where can I source for cute girls?

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

Thanks for helping a first timer in HCMC.....

[QUOTE=Notidik]Guys, I need some assistance here. I am urgently requested to go on a trip to HCMC next week and will put up at the Park Hyatt.

Thanks for helping a first timer in HCMC.....[/QUOTE]

1. is this hotel GF?

The Park Hyatt is definitely not GF - my understanding is that they will not even let you buy an extra room for the gal.

There are ST hotels but security is a potential issue. My suggestioin is that you take a rooting room at one of the cheap hotels on Mac Thi Boui or Dong Do. A cheap small room with a bed and bathroom will be about US$20.

Or give the Park Hyatt a miss and stay in one of the GF hotels. Balcony room for $30 plus.

2. where can I source for cute girls?

Keep your eyes open as you walk the streets. Smile at them and say hello. You can also try the bars on Hai Bai Trung, Cao Ba Quat and Mac Thi Boui. Also Bar29 on Dong Khoi. Keep a hand on your wallet.

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

About VND800,000 for ST and VND 1,000,000 for LT plus whatever you do for a room. But you will have to negotiate.

There is a lot more info in the forum. I would give you this much if you were not a 200+ poster.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]1. is this hotel GF?

The Park Hyatt is definitely not GF - my understanding is that they will not even let you buy an extra room for the gal.

There are ST hotels but security is a potential issue. My suggestioin is that you take a rooting room at one of the cheap hotels on Mac Thi Boui or Dong Do. A cheap small room with a bed and bathroom will be about US$20.

Or give the Park Hyatt a miss and stay in one of the GF hotels. Balcony room for $30 plus.

2. where can I source for cute girls?

Keep your eyes open as you walk the streets. Smile at them and say hello. You can also try the bars on Hai Bai Trung, Cao Ba Quat and Mac Thi Boui. Also Bar29 on Dong Khoi. Keep a hand on your wallet.

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

About VND800,000 for ST and VND 1,000,000 for LT plus whatever you do for a room. But you will have to negotiate.

There is a lot more info in the forum. I would give you this much if you were not a 200+ poster.[/QUOTE]
Very good information for me indeed, unfortunately the hotel has already been chosen for me but I have heard so much about bar 29 and will definately head there, FR on the way if I can get lucky...

Dear All,

I'm in HCMC now for couple of days and stay in Windsor Plaza Hotel. Could advise me where I can find the local beauty girl can accompany me during my stay here in HCMC. It's appreciate if you can give the detail price and the place where I can take the girl to my hotel.

You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach. Which happens to be right next to Apocolypse, where all the girls are. You want action, walk around there and someone will approach you. If its a good looking girl on a motobike, smile at her and she will pull over. If it is some guy, tell him to bring the stock. They will come with 5 girls in 5-10 min for you to pick. $30-40 ST. And Ho Sen is girl friendly. Just pick a girl and walk back to your place.

Was just there last week. Had a wonderful time. Miss Vietnam already. Damn I need a job over there.






[QUOTE=Notidik]Very good information for me indeed, unfortunately the hotel has already been chosen for me but I have heard so much about bar 29 and will definately head there, FR on the way if I can get lucky...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Poppasan]You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach. [/QUOTE]

I see the Ho Sen is linked to the Ngoc Minh on Dong Do. Ngoc Minh has told me $28 for a front room with a view but Ho Sen (from their web site) seems to be a little more expensive. Poppasan - what did you pay for what sort of room?

I am thinking of shifting digs because the receptionist girls where I stay now are giving me dirty looks when a bring a gal back. That's the trouble with being there too often and getting too familiar.

[QUOTE=Poppasan]You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach. Which happens to be right next to Apocolypse, where all the girls are. You want action, walk around there and someone will approach you. If its a good looking girl on a motobike, smile at her and she will pull over. If it is some guy, tell him to bring the stock. They will come with 5 girls in 5-10 min for you to pick. $30-40 ST. And Ho Sen is girl friendly. Just pick a girl and walk back to your place.

Was just there last week. Had a wonderful time. Miss Vietnam already. Damn I need a job over there.[/QUOTE]
From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?

[QUOTE=Notidik]From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?[/QUOTE]

Check the site for the Ho Sen Hotel mentioned by Poppasan. It has a map on the front page that shows the big hotels and its own location. Everything on this map is a five minute walk.

[url]http://www.hosenhotel.com.vn[/url]

The Majestic is on Dong Khoi at the corner at the river end. It is an old colonial style hotel - not sure about GF but it is close to Bar29

[QUOTE=Notidik]From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?[/QUOTE]Apocalypse is at 2 C-D Thi Sach.

Majestic is not GF. If your company is paying for the Park Hyatt, I'd stay there. Location is better, as is the hotel.

[QUOTE=Notidik]From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?[/QUOTE]Apocalypse is at 2 C-D Thi Sach. Not my first choice of places, but it is what it is.

Majestic is not GF. If your company is paying for the Park Hyatt, I'd stay there. Location is better, as is the hotel.

I finally managed to shift my stay to the Majestic and man it's half the price of Hyatt. In Majestic is a spa, any ideas if there's extras here?

I will be in HCMC tomorrow and heard it was raining!

And thanks, you guys have been very helpful.

[QUOTE=Notidik]I finally managed to shift my stay to the Majestic and man it's half the price of Hyatt. In Majestic is a spa, any ideas if there's extras here?

I will be in HCMC tomorrow and heard it was raining!

And thanks, you guys have been very helpful.[/QUOTE]

Never tried the massage at Majestic. Massage places in HCM give you baggy shorts to wear at all times and expect you to change into them at lockers. At the Grand (down Dong Khoi 100 yds) I have been able to wave the shorts and lockers away and go straight to room. Service level is hit and miss depending on provider and there is no line-up to choose.

Bar29 (old U2) is in the same area and has comfortable lounge seating upstairs and a semi-private room.

There is another bar near there calling itself hard rock which is a dive.

There needs to be a hotel thread in Vietnam. Far too much of the same old conversation over and over again, which hotels are GF... Majestic, Caravelle, New World, Hyatt, etc. Same old answer, none of them are, go to a mini-hotel. For new guys here it's fine, but the same exact conversation so many times here on this topic.

My! the motorcyclist over here is so notorious like king of the roads....anyway I will get used to it. Just cross the road and they will swerve around you.

Very coincidently I found Bar 29 as I was out looking for food and it's only a few metres from my hotel. While walking guy (in security uniform) tried to pull me into this bar with all the doors and windows covered, I looked up and saw the Bar 29 signboard and realised this was the place. After typing this I may go check it out as I need a bath coz I just finished a very dissapointing massage. While walking, this pretty girl was pushing me a brochure for massage. So I thought this place couldn't be bad and I went up. Damn, I was ushered to a room with 6 men all lying together with only see thru curtain as divider and the massage really sucks. made worst by the girl demanding big tips, I gave her some (40,000) but she complain to the counter. In the end I gave 70,000. Is that a lot? The massage was US 15 for 75 mins.

Can't remember the name of the MP thou...

[QUOTE=Wendella]There needs to be a hotel thread in Vietnam. Far too much of the same old conversation over and over again, which hotels are GF... Majestic, Caravelle, New World, Hyatt, etc. Same old answer, none of them are, go to a mini-hotel. For new guys here it's fine, but the same exact conversation so many times here on this topic.[/QUOTE]

I agree. If you do a search for hotels you get a lot of extraneous information. Whilst we who have been around know some small hotels that work there is constant change especially in District 1 near the action. The information form Poppasan about the Ho Sen was interesting - I just hope it does not get swamped.

[QUOTE=Notidik]

While walking, this pretty girl was pushing me a brochure for massage. So I thought this place couldn't be bad and I went up.

Can't remember the name of the MP thou...[/QUOTE]

The MP promoted by the pretty girls in Aoi Dai on Dong Khoi are all crap as you discovered. The girls are very pretty and I have the number of one who says she will come out with me next time I am in town.

Normal price for massage is VND100,000 and tips for extras up to 500,000 depending on service.

The only massage place I have found where FS is possible is on Dong Do about 50 yards from MTB in a little alleyway. If you hang outside about 11 am you can check the gals as they come to work.

Be interested in what you learn about the Majestic - is it GF (there is only one way to really find out) and what about the massage joint?

Majestic is definately note friendly and never bothered to try the massage as there are plenty everywhere outside though had bad experience. Walked along Dong Du but couldn't find any alley way. There's a huge road work going on there and the only MP I saw was opposite Sheraton.

I found an english speaking taxi driver and he promised to take me to a mini hotel. No need to pay anything if I don't find my choice, should I proceed?

[QUOTE=Notidik]Majestic is definately note friendly and never bothered to try the massage as there are plenty everywhere outside though had bad experience. Walked along Dong Du but couldn't find any alley way. There's a huge road work going on there and the only MP I saw was opposite Sheraton.

I found an english speaking taxi driver and he promised to take me to a mini hotel. No need to pay anything if I don't find my choice, should I proceed?[/QUOTE]Try Saigon Hotel across of Sheraton , Massages on the first floor, Cost 100.000 (7 US ) /hr tip 100000 (7.00 US) HJ included

[QUOTE=Aryaduta]Dear All,

I'm in HCMC now for couple of days and stay in Windsor Plaza Hotel. Could advise me where I can find the local beauty girl can accompany me during my stay here in HCMC. It's appreciate if you can give the detail price and the place where I can take the girl to my hotel.[/QUOTE]You will be "con" no matter who you find, just negotiate and agree to the deal, that's it! Do not pay more, Hotel Windsor is located 7 miles from the main area, go to Apocalypse nearby Hai ba Trung street, Beware of Hyenas bikers.- good luck my friend.

[QUOTE=Notidik]Majestic is definately note friendly and never bothered to try the massage as there are plenty everywhere outside though had bad experience. Walked along Dong Du but couldn't find any alley way. There's a huge road work going on there and the only MP I saw was opposite Sheraton.

I found an english speaking taxi driver and he promised to take me to a mini hotel. No need to pay anything if I don't find my choice, should I proceed?[/QUOTE]

The alley on Dong Do is towards Mac Thi Boui just next to a Barbershop.

I would suggest that you take a walk around and find your own mini hotel rather then leave yourself under the control of someone else.

Some quick comments:

The massage at the Hotel Windsor bills itself as the biggest in Vietnam, so it might be worth a look.

The Windsor is in the middle of District 5, and not nearly 7 miles outside downtown District 1. Not even 7km. On a motorbike it might take 10 minutes to go from the Opera to the Windsor, give or take about 2 minutes depending on traffic.

What Joe calls 'con' is what Asians call bargaining. If you bargain well, you can get the best deal possible, and even pay the same as a local. If you don't, you can't. Most tourists can't pretend to know the market price, so they'll be tougher bargaining with you assuming they can get more out of you. It's not an attempt at fraud, it's the free market in action, old school. That said, motorbike drivers will say anything to try to convince you you hae to pay more than you actually should. Keep those guys out of your negotiations and you'll keep the price lower.

Finally, Sudsoz, I'm not sure what alley you're trying to describe but I'm wondering if you got a couple of names confused. There is a Dong DU street (not Dong Do) that is parallel to Mac Thi Buoi, the next street up -- they don't intersect. Then there is Dong KHOI which does intersect both, it's parallel to Hai Ba Trung, the next one over from HBT -- it's the one that is in front of the Opera House, and also that has Bar 29 and Majestic Hotel.

This morning I went to Ban Tanh market and after leaving I walked along one of the side streets and came across this saloon/barber shop (pink colour frontage) and went in in context of getting a hair wash. Suddenly 3 girls stood up and tend to me, one massaging my shoulders and the other my hands. Wow, they have really sweet and short uniforms showing those nice mostly long legs. I asked for price quote and it was VND 70,000 for wash including massage. Not really understanding what was really offered I nodded yes, yes and yes. Spent almost 20 minutes at the wash bowl washing my hair then she asked me to proceed upstairs. I was really hoping I could get some specials of this sweet girl of mine (name Quin, I believe) but in the room, there was a whole bunch of men lying down on beds aside each other. That means no, no but anyway was really happy with the meticulous details this girl does. While massaging my hand she placed it on top of her thigh and I could easily insert into her so short skirts, so tempting. I easily spent 1 and half hours there with whole body massage and mind you, it was all VND 100,000 and I gave her tips of another VND 100,000.

Following Joe Bob’s suggestion. In half hour later I was in Saigon Hotel, actually there are two MP opposite Sheraton. In I went and at the counter, the sign reads package massage at USD 10 (one hour) and so I argued that my friend told me it was USD 7, the counter lady said no but heck only a small difference so I paid. Disappointment at the room as they have see through glass windows on all room doors. I saw a cute looking ML next door and I asked for her. In no time she was in my room. Talk a bit with a little English. Everything normal till I was asked to turn over. She seems to be always touching my sensitive areas so I knew there was extra. With those purposed touching my little bro sprang into action and I asked her to proceed with the extra service. While one hand was on my little bro, she said USD 50 and I said no way. She continued wanking and I said the max I would pay is USD 20 which I know is already high according to Joe Bob and again I said I was asked to come here for a special price. She was cleverly continuing and without hesitant and I believe it was my little bro thinking I agreed to USD 25. I really cant believe I agreed to this price, damn I am sorry if I spoilt the market prices but please understand the situation I was being out through………her name is Chen number 25 and I forgot to mentioned we did all these with the chances of someone looking through the glass panel. This time my stupidity got the better of me, so sad!

Walking back to my hotel which was only 3 minutes walk back, at least 3 pimps tried to sell their services to me. I wondered where they were last 3 days. One of them told me that Majestic allows girls to enter the hotel before 9 pm.

And ah, 2 lady boys on a motorcycle tried to pick me up. I frantically kept waving to them to go away till onlookers looked at me…………

If my body can take it and the mood of stupidity changes, I would be heading to either Apocolypse or Palace hotel.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

Finally, Sudsoz, I'm not sure what alley you're trying to describe but I'm wondering if you got a couple of names confused. There is a Dong DU street (not Dong Do) that is parallel to Mac Thi Buoi, the next street up -- they don't intersect. Then there is Dong KHOI which does intersect both, it's parallel to Hai Ba Trung, the next one over from HBT -- it's the one that is in front of the Opera House, and also that has Bar 29 and Majestic Hotel.[/QUOTE]

The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals. The street with the Sheraton. The alley is nearly opposite the Club Italia bar with all the sports on TV.

Guys the street you are talking about is indeed Dong Du, the massage in the alley I believe is Sa Chi [opposite sports bar is called Cafe Latin, which thankfully is still open and quite good for a beer and it has some nice girls non pro working there, the upstairs has recently been renovated]. Sorry guys can't give much other info as I now have to be a very good boy in HCM. Excellent contributions by Sudoz and Wendela tho, vistors should take notice of them.

"The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals".

It's spelled Dong Du on the street signs and pronounce Dong You by the locals.

just got back. have alot of experience bkk/all over asia &and some europe/us. i was gagging to try vietnam. (even with wife in tow 7 of 9 days, still managed 11 women. and i gotta say, i fucking love saigon. viet women seriously under rated in my view. there is something in their dna (like their thai cousins + stonger) that seems to make them born very very capable in the bj department. and small, so tight, so sweet and such adventurous fast learners! have had anal maybe with 6 women in my life. ok but one of those things better in fantacy than reality in my expereince. one absolute fucking machine of a girl. absolutley tiny. pedaphile territory. and. amazing! daty going swimmingly and little finger just zooms up the bum. i couldn't believe it. had the most beautiful 5 full mintes up there i can remember. high water mark. will post a ful report soon

back to your question. majestic will be all over you. had a good close chat with the concierge about it all. all 5 and $ and most 3 star like that. i did a pretty thorough inventory of everything within 1k of ground zero (bottom dk) maybe not comprehensive buy maybe 50%. most up market place that is girl friendly that i could find is hotel sao. top end thi sich

no worries though if at majestic. because u2 is now right next door. now called #29 cafe bar. how convenient. <cue wicked laugh c. this is what i love about saigon. you'the never know what was lurking inside.

it's areally a wonderfully rewarding 'intermediate" difficulty level place with absolutely best in world rewards forn those with alittle savy, cauytion and bravery. nothing like as hard as korea, china or fucking japan. can't get close to bkk of course but oh. so worth while. so discreet.

i gotta say, right now i'the rank saigon # 2 to bkk. best overall sex experience to be had. so, back to #29. still a distant second to the thrill of your first bkk bjb experience at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. nothing beats your school girl pulling the shower curtain around you, then looking at you with a look that says "i'm about to be a very naughty girl. don't tell on me" then puts her fingers to her lips. no. not quite that but awfully good just the same. now they have a custom blow job room 2nd floor now. no more pillows and (in my case) mixed feelings about others watching you! small bar in front of entrance to your bj retreat. bar lady stands gard. bob's your uncle paid us $40. please. let's not have another thread on 'mines bigger than yours. negotiating prowess. i know prices. and bullshit wsg information also when i see it. joe. please don't tell me i could have got her for $7. thanks

sudoz. question 2. massage at the majestic stricly non sexual, sad to say. and trust me, i did my very best. phone number for later discussion always possible for those with tip top charm/looks/or signs of dumb money. actually. in my book one of the best most interesting legit massages i've had. anywhere. us $26 60 mins. they use a whole mix up of thechniques, some swedish, some thai, etc + massage you with hot volcanic stones. enjoyed it more that apothecary or spa tropic. all the signs for absolutely no chance for happy endings. and they are all correct. have the massage and pop next door.

you are correct on your position on fs round dk. yawara is the place although experience may vary based on the girl. 6-8's. absolutely excellent hj. negotiated up to fs for $70 in the end. i know. no need to tell me.

fs at massage places always a mistake in my experience. go for what they do best. the hj. and go to sacha not yawara. tried three times and each time a truely exceptional. world class hj. and upper quartile quality bj.

my tip. forget this stuff about waiting until she's got you hard. i've learned to fake indiference when i want to counter what is normally poor timing on your negotiation batana (leverage). no it's not negotiating position. it's the time and quality of what you get. agree hj and price early and agree "1hour hand job" make clear she begins straight away and be clear what you want covered in a hj.

unbelievable all three times a sacha. 45 minutes of absolute heaven/torment in the hands of these girls. the 2nd one who i paid $20 extra to have her mouth join the spectacular work of the hands was just amazing. she showed me something i didn't realise. (and i've had too many hj's across too many countries to really own up to why i've got a good comparative frame of reference). co-ordinate the rythem of both hands and mouth and it really hits the spot. she drenched me in oil (only way to go) and had perfect rythem doing up and down rimming (hand 1) world class hand action with balls kept in the hunt with a lovely sweeping action every third stroke. and. the key element. as we all know, hand and mouth working in co-ordingation. with the hand really adding friction to the knob every few minutes.

let me tell you. 10 minutes into this and knowing you have 40 or more to go is as close to heaven as i've been.

don't give away amazing secrets ike this one too often. will swap which girl for something equally good. from a senior vietnam member.

i'm going to be back alot. want to test out the very best.

sudoz. trade you some really good bits? like your posts man. made me feel guilty that i've been taking not giving. used to cvontribute alot late 90's under bushtucker man name.

[quote=sudsoz]the mp promoted by the pretty girls in aoi dai on dong khoi are all crap as you discovered. the girls are very pretty and i have the number of one who says she will come out with me next time i am in town.

normal price for massage is vnd100, 000 and tips for extras up to 500, 000 depending on service.

the only massage place i have found where fs is possible is on dong do about 50 yards from mtb in a little alleyway. if you hang outside about 11 am you can check the gals as they come to work.

be interested in what you learn about the majestic. is it gf (there is only one way to really find out) and what about the massage joint? [/quote]

breedluv - i try to avoid being specific for a couple of reasons.

one is that the authorities might take a closer interest in a place if specific names and services are set out in detail.

the other is purely selfish in that i keep some good things for myself. for instance i mention hotels in an area but i have the establishments that i use quite happily and i don't want to see them overloaded.

currently i am seeing reports in this place and elsewhere about some hotels in the $40-$50 bracket that say they are gf but i wonder whether those writers definition of gf is the same as mine.

i have not used the upstairs recreation area in bar29 - only the couches. my impression is that anything could happen in that little lovenest.

your comments about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in bkk are spot on. i believe the place has been renovated and that there are now some more private rooms. have you tried the ''no-hands'' restaurants there? there were some reports a year or so ago about something similar in saigon.

Your impression would be correct. I had a front row seat my first night up there, and I think it was the Indian navy in town that night. Maybe Pakistani or Sri Lankan, but somewhere in South Asia. Anyway, it was one after another going in there, 2 pairs at a time, and at least one couple were full on, which the girl I was with giggled and said it's boom boom. And that's definitely what it looked like from where I was sitting. Either that or they put a mechanical bull in there for her to ride. There was another couple in the room at the time, by the way. And that's a pretty small room. A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

I might've misread Suds' earlier post and thought he said something about Dong Du and Mac Thi Buoi intersecting. I think he has a pretty good memory for someone not in HCMC anymore, and I think even a tourist could figure out that Dong Du and Dong Do are the same thing, regardless of which one's correct. I just worried he meant Dong Khoi, which intersects MTB. Well, now we know exactly where the place is.

I paid $29. It has a buffet breakfast and has free wifi. The staff are young cute girls. I see girls going in and out of there all day. Lots of business men stay there. I had no problem bringing girls in just when I tried to get 3 girls into the room. They allowed two..haha..





[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I see the Ho Sen is linked to the Ngoc Minh on Dong Do. Ngoc Minh has told me $28 for a front room with a view but Ho Sen (from their web site) seems to be a little more expensive. Poppasan - what did you pay for what sort of room?

[QUOTE=Wendella] A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

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If you reckon that's seedy check out the old old posts about the upstairs area in the old U2 where you could check who came into the bar through the cracks in the floor.

No need to read, I can just remember it. ;-) Not my proudest moment. OK, momentS. At least you got your own 'room' up there. I know, just a divider between you and the next set of guests, but not usually more than one set of guests up there at a time, which is different than 29 -- the night I was there, there was a queue to get in.

Gentlemen, some help please. I will be in Vietnam for a couple of weeks in a couple of months.

So I have been reading the posts for the past year or more.

The terms Hot Toc and Cat Toc have been used several times, but I can't figure what they mean.

What is Hot Toc and Cat Toc, and how do they work?

What happens?

What do I do?

What does it cost?

Thanks in anticipation.

Gangles,

I think your referring to the barbershops. There are two different types. The legitimate and the ones that offer more. Legitimate have all the usual accompanying things for doing hair and shaving. The others have the bare minimum with more going on in the back room than the front. If there are customers out in front getting haircuts and manicures chances are it's a legitimate barbershop. Look for ones with lil cuties sitting around giving you the big eyes and smiles and I think you have found the real McCoy. All it takes is a few little questions, like "do you do massage?" and you'll find out quick if you're on to the FS or at least a BJ Hoc Toc.

Strangely they often seem to have potted plants outside too... exceptions both ways of course.

In Hanoi look for the words "thu gian" (=unwind/relax) - but I've rarely seen this in the south.

Dragonfly and Ngu Ngon, thanks for the info.

I remember when I lived in a smaller city in the south seeing such a place close to where I lived. There were about 6 or 7 good looking women hanging round the place, but there were very few customers. One evening I went in to see what was happening. There were two men lying back in barbers chairs, with a bunch of women for each, talking and laughing. No hair dressing implements.

I could not speak any Vietnamese, and they could not speak any English, so I could not carry it further. Now I know.

Can you tell me how Bia Om works? what happens?

Thanks in anticipation

I have seen the term Xe Om.

I think the word xe has to do with a vehicle.

What is a xe om?

Thanks in anticipation.

Gan,

Xe om is the term for scooter and driver for hire. I believe.

Dragonfly22

While you may not be able to search the forum for some of these terms, a bit of reading will show quite a bit of explanation. Googling the net will get good info as well. You need to make a small effort before asking.

"xe" means vehicle. "om" means "cuddle". So "xe om" is when you travel on the back of a motorbike with someone (sometimes also "honda om").

"bia" means "beer". Hence "bia om". Also "cafe om", "karaoke om" etc. With a little imagination you can even create your own Vietnamese!

"bia om" is, to me, one of the most pointless ways to spend an evening. And expensive if you're footing the bill. Best to let your Vietnamese friends take you. Easy to get ripped off if you go yourself or "you take them".

Basically a group of blokes go to a place and get shown to a private room. Its a VN male bonding thing. Girls are brought in and each guy takes a girl. You then spend the evening drinking and snacking. They'll bring in a crate of beer which will opened by the girls who then guzzle down as much as possible. Not to mention knock half of it over the floor. The beer itself is not unreasonably priced. Even the room is usually OK pricewise. But the sheer quantity that gets sloshed around can make it expensive. Its pretty standard to pop the girls boobs out or pull her knickers down for a laugh. But that's as far as it usually goes. Anything more and you take her to the hotel. If just a couple of guys go then a hand job is possible. All a bit hit and miss.

Not much privacy either. I've known "waiters", "mamasans" etc to burst in and help themselves to your beer. Insisting on chinking bottles.

All rather pathetic in my opinion. Karaoke without the karaoke machine. Though often they have that too.

You tip the girl when leaving. They typically get the tip and a tiny commission on drinks. They either pay to work at the bia om, or have to meet a target for drink sales. Obviously they get more if you take them out. Met a software engineer at a bia om once. Fluent English (unusual). Just did it in the evenings for extra money. Nice girl, but exceptional.

In general don't expect anyone to speak English. Though in a parade of a half-a-dozen girls there's usually one that can manage a few words. But she might not be the prettiest.

Bia oms are usually at least a couple of miles from the centre and not really designed for foreigners.

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Spent two days at main office in HCM last week. Travelled quite late from Vung Tau and arrived at the Hyatt somewhere around 11:00 PM. Decided to skip bar hopping planned earlier.

Knock on the door and found myself face to face with one cutie. She was supposedly looking for a Japanese client who stayed in my room the previous night. As he was not there she asked me if I wanted massage. I was determined to say no but I let her in to practice the haggling. Knowing that penises rule our brains, we ended up deciding for 800k d for ST. Her name was Miss H. Tall and good features. Rating 8/10.

First a shower together with a good mutual soaping followed by straight to bed. Just about anything was OK with her--french kissing, BBBJ, oral on her, multiple positions. We finished together, sweating bodies, and just lie there to recover. She gave a great massage, too, which really relaxed me. Later round two, and sleep........only to be woken what seems like 5 minutes later as the phone rings with my wake up call for work.

Next evening I was determined to get some rest after long hours at office and late dinner with colleague. I visited #29 just for a drink. Turned down two offers from WGs. Went back to my room and displayed the Do Not Disturb sign. At 1:00 AM there was a knock on my door and guess who?

Miss H again. I explained that I wanted to sleep but with her massaging my balls I wasn’t convincing. After the financing was taken care of, she was straight into the bathroom and then head back to the bed. She said she just wanted me to lay down and let her do everything. BBBJ moving into various positions, she said she likes it hard - so hard we started pumpin'. After a few more positions it was clear I was going to struggle to finish, so she pulled out my pecker and started BBBJ again. I was starting to build up, when she said to come over her pussy - the movement of her lying back down however cooled things down, so she was quickly filling her mouth again, then asking for it in her face - which I duly obliged.

I collapsed on the bed. The wake up call sang its tune at 6.45am. - oh s**t - I told her she had to go then packed my things, had to check out, and get a taxi to my office - just making it in time for my important presentation.

Well, my two nights at HCM was exhausting but enjoyable. My biggest regret was that despite her offer I forgot to take her number.

How did Miss H ever get through security? Was there ever a Japanese person that stayed in my room or was I just flagged on arrival by a bellboy?

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[QUOTE=Yamtak]Knock on the door and found myself face to face with one cutie. She was supposedly looking for a Japanese client who stayed in my room the previous night. As he was not there she asked me if I wanted massage. I was determined to say no but I let her in to practice the haggling. Knowing that penises rule our brains, we ended up deciding for 800k d for ST. Her name was Miss H. Tall and good features. Rating 8/10.[/QUOTE]Some guys have all the luck!

hi guy,

xe om. so the word xe: vehicle (car, motocycle, bike, truck. mean xe.) om: like hug. by the back (that mean. you seat right behind the driver and put your hands at his waist or joint your hands around his waist. if not. you may be fall down. when the driver. accelerate the speed. and you need to om him.)

so that's why. you guys never hear the word: taxi om. because in the car you can not fall down. so you don't need to om the driver. or if you cuddle the girl in taxi like in bia om. so that is. taxi om. hi. hi. hi

bia om (cafe om, karaoke om). bia: beer om: cuddle

i am vietnamese. so i want you to understand that word.

have a good day.

bye bye

[quote=teoti]hi guy,

xe om. so the word xe: vehicle (car, motocycle, bike, truck. mean xe.) om: like hug. by the back (that mean. you seat right behind the driver and put your hands at his waist or joint your hands around his waist. if not. you may be fall down. when the driver. accelerate the speed. and you need to om him.)

so that's why. you guys never hear the word: taxi om. because in the car you can not fall down. so you don't need to om the driver. or if you cuddle the girl in taxi like in bia om. so that is. taxi om. hi. hi. hi

bia om (cafe om, karaoke om). bia: beer om: cuddle

i am vietnamese. so i want you to understand that word.

have a good day.

bye bye[/quote]

teoti - great simple explanation.

[QUOTE=Yamtak]

How did Miss H ever get through security? Was there ever a Japanese person that stayed in my room or was I just flagged on arrival by a bellboy?

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Yeah seriously, how did she managed to get to the rooms especially in a hotel like Hyatt.....I really would like to know.

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Yeah seriously, how did she managed to get to the rooms especially in a hotel like Hyatt.....I really would like to know.

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It beats me how did she ever get through Hyatt security. She speaks very little English and I could not get her to explain how she did it.
Perhaps:

1. She bribed bellboy and the bellboy assisted her to get through security.

2. She is the employee of Hyatt.

3. She was the Japanese’s client staying close to my room. The client was pissed on those two consecutive nights.

4. She bribed the security.

5. She was a former employee of Hyatt and knows the way on how to get through the security.

6. Rich VN girl who staying at Hyatt.

Hi Guys,

I'm back in Saigon for a while. Last time I was here, right before year end, there was a bar called No. 9 bar on LLT (Ly Thi Trung?) right next to a large coffee shop. It was a haven for golfers, owned by a Swiss guy, and operated on the Hooters model (for you Americans anyway)--lot's of girls behind the long bar talk to with, not pros, at least not overtly. It was a good place to kick back, practice your vietnamese (or whatever), and not be pressured by the pros for more. The (also relocated) Shadow Bar on Dong Du(??) is like that, except the girls are not as sexy as at No.9 Bar.

Anyway, No. 9 Bar was closing year end and moving to another location--the owner told me "near the American Consulate," but I can't find it. Did they reopen? Where? Also, I'd like to find a couple similar bars--friendly staff there to talk, but not there to overtly hussle you. I can't monger every night!

Thanks, Berty

Hm. There is Ly Tu Truong street, and there is Le Thanh Ton.

There was a bar called something like A5 on Ly Tu Truong, across from a Spanish bar called Carmen. Inside that one had a very high ceiling and a very long bar that wrapped around in a kind of L-shape. Pretty big square shaped room. Pool table soon as you walk in the door. It's gone now, don't think it reopened anywhere (tho if it did, please someone share info on that).

If this isn't what you mean, you have to describe it better. Or else maybe someone else knows from what you said already.

For example, how big was it? Bright inside, or dark? What kind of outfits did the girls wear? At the one above, it was definitely westerner oriented and the girls wore kind of skimpy dresses with short skirts.

There was also a little place next to the Lotteria fast food burger place on Le Thanh Ton, one where girls wore ao dais (traditional Vietnamese dress) that had some kind of golf motif on their sign, tho the bar itself had absolutely nothign to do with golf. More of a Japanese style bar. That's gone too. It's a pho shop now.

Re-reading your post, you mention big coffee place next door. A5 had a giant cafe, multi level and lots of colored lights, next door. A5 also had French colonial architecture. That must be what you're thinking of. I haven't heard of it reopening.

Wendella has figured out the potential old locations pretty well and there are lot of bars there but none that fit this description. The only two I can think of is the western theme bar near the Renaissance on Ton Duc Thang and the Steakhouse on Thai Van Lung.

It was going to re-open near the American Consulate. The consulate is on Le Duan in an area with lots of big fenced properties. Two possibilities are the redeveloped Saigon Square (I have not been there for a while) and the Saigon Tower building (but that has Singapore airlines and a lot of security on the ground floor).

This place sounds interesting so I will try to get up there are ask the concierge at the Sofitel. If they do not know whats in the area then no one will.

Thanks Wendella and Sudsoz, I think you got it right. It was near the corner of Ly Tu Trong and Ton Duc Thang/Dinh T. Hoang, and yes, a multilevel coffee house with neon etc. Right next door and some sort of nightclub with sticks on the roof (or stick fencing) across the street on the corner and a modern apartment building, 10 LLT, was also across the street further from the corner. Girls wore different t-shirts, but often red Ts with jean shorts. The bar was shaped almost exactly like the new Shadow Bar bar. Too bad it's gone. I liked the softcore environment and am looking for same. I'll tryout out your suggestions and post comments.

PS. I walked around and visited some of the HBT bars last night. The bloom is off the rose a little. Spent too much money without accomplishing much, though it was just a night for window shopping. Someone in a much early post said things get skankier as you proceed toward the river. I think that is fairly accurate. The Smiley Bar, (not on HBT), seems the tamest, etc. I was yanked into a "new bar" just up the street and away from the river from the new U2. I walked back into a building about 20 yard before entering a somewhat sad venue.

Berty Russ

Berty,

If you are near the Sofitel ask there because it is possibly in their neighborhood.

The Smiley bar has some nice ladies in nice outfits (no bras) but the mama used to have a 5 LD before take-out policy and the gals drink Baileys like its water. The girls tell me that she is more negotiable now but the gal I was interested in is on the rags for a couple of days anyway.

The bar at La Camargue was jumping last night with a very mixed crowd. I took my favourite hairdresser there for dinner and a nice GFE afterwards.

The bar just down from bar29 with the 20 m alley has been there most of this year. It was styling itself as the Hard Rock Bar but has removed that sign. I took a gal from there (Trang) early this week. Nice body and nice looker but absolutely no idea what to do with any of it it in the room.

You are also dead right about the Shadow bar - it has a nice comfortable feel. But Chiac the manager makes sure the girls uniforms are very conservative.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Berty,

If you are near the Sofitel ask there because it is possibly in their neighborhood.

The Smiley bar has some nice ladies in nice outfits (no bras) but the mama used to have a 5 LD before take-out policy and the gals drink Baileys like its water. The girls tell me that she is more negotiable now but the gal I was interested in is on the rags for a couple of days anyway.
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It probably was like water, or watered down at the least. You wouldn't want the girls getting drunk would you?

Back in the day, during the war, this happened in every bar in VietNam. The girls would push the lady drinks called "Saigon Tea" and would often sing a little diddy. "I love you beau coup, you love me titi, you buy me Saigon tea, I let you play with me. Somethings never change.

Dragonfly

Yeah well - Baileys on ice is hardly going to knock their socks off.

A new filipina bar opened in Singapore recently and the aussie owner decided that the ladies drinks would be chilled Jacob's Creek Shiraz. By 10 pm the first night he had 20 filipinas who could not stand up! Now he lightens it with lemonade.

I stopped by last night, and yes, quite conservative, and I suspect that to get a job there the girls can't be too attractive. Also, the bar has no room under it for one's knees. I Haven't taken the time to try to find the old No. 5 bar.

As I rode by a local-ish restaurant on the corner of HBT and LTT I saw a very pretty girl is a tiger beer outfit, presumably pushing tigers. I looked around, however, and all the locals were drinking Heinies. Still, I'd give her a promotion.

I never realized it was Bailey's in those Smiley Bar girl's drinks. I thought the mamasans didn't let the girls drink at all (though with a job like that, it is the humane thing to do). Sudsoz, that would have been an amusing night to be in that PI bar!

My personal policy is to only talk to one girl at a time, and if I'm just hanging out, get about an hour of chat and groping for no more than three drinks. Some girls push the drinks as fast as possible, and other's forget to push at all after the first one. There is a very pretty girl that I like at Smiley too, but she always seems a little sad.

Camerge (I've botched the spelling no doubt) is the first place that gave me full fledge traveler's D, but that was a couple of years ago and sounds like it's time to try it again.

Later,

Berty

Berty - that stretch has a lot of places with good western food.

I have always found Camargue to be excellent and the ground floor bar is a good non threatening place to meet your (non WL) lady friend.

Nearby there is the Cuban place, Skewers and the Wild Horse.

Last week I met a nice gal in Smileys but she said she was on the rags - nice of her to tell me. Now in the early part of this week she is busy busy like a ***** (i.e female dog) on heat. Give up on her. More fish in the pond.

Actually I am quite happy with the non WL scene at the moment. After the third and fourth meeting they seem to relax and come over.

Interesting the way the forum edits that term for a female dog on heat. Hmmm.

Hello Folks

I have been a member of this board for a long time and I am planning a first time visit to HCM.
I have read back a while, but I am still not getting a good sense for what a quick visitor to HCM should do.
Can someone prioritize the places I should go to? Massage? Bar? What is the quickest and most painless way? Exact locations will be appreciated.
Or if a report already exists I will appreciate a link.
Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sidhartha]Hello Folks

I have been a member of this board for a long time and I am planning a first time visit to HCM.
I have read back a while, but I am still not getting a good sense for what a quick visitor to HCM should do.
Can someone prioritize the places I should go to? Massage? Bar? What is the quickest and most painless way? Exact locations will be appreciated.
Or if a report already exists I will appreciate a link.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Massage does not generally offer extras in HCMC.

If you are making a quick visit the bars in Hai Bai Trung and nearby all offer take-out with prices from VND1 mil and up. But you need to negotiate.

Note the comments about the large hotels NOT being girl friendly. This is a result of government dislike of these activities and this is also the reason why specifics are not discussed in this part of the forum.

Hi,

Just wanna let you know what price hasn't change for street walkers or bikers on Tu Xuong Q.3, on Ng T Tuyen Q.Tan Binh, and in Q.11 but cant remember street name. It's 100-120k for ST, local price. Some are very ok.

Hi guys! Is there anything going on at or in the vicinity of the Metropole Hotel in Saigon ( HCMC ) i.e. massages with es , etc ? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Maybe it might be better to split them up into separate threads

1) Hotels
2) Massage parlours - each MP with their own thread
3) Clubs

Etc.

Been searching thru this whole thread

And had a bit of a tough time getting what I need to know

LOL

Going hcmc this weekend.

I heard that going to the clubs might be expensive as we are required to open bottles.

Is that true?

Do those bars in HBT have cover charges and are the drinks expensive?

I think their concept is pretty similar to some places over here in singapore, thinking of going in there, buy a few drinks, get girls numbers and meet them later.

I'm also traveling to HCM at the end of next week. Read back 30 pages or so and still feel I don't know much.

Absolutely no disrespect to the valued posters in this thread, but I feel like many postings in this thread assume the reader has been to HCM many times. For frequent visitors to HCM this won't be a problem, but for a first-time visitor like me, it definitely is.

I Also agree with setting up dedicated sections for hotels, bars, etc.

I read several posts of some people not wanting to indicate which hotels are GF because they fear the Vietnamese autorities might be reading these forums. IMHO, I think that's just silly. These hotels run a business and being GF (or not) is part of their business strategy. If this is really such a forbidden practise, then they're obviously paying of the right people. I don't think some posts in this forum will have such a big impact.

In Bangkok it's strictly forbidden for the girls to dance totally nude in the gogo bars, yet it's no secret that (among others) Long Gun in Soi Cowboy has all nude shows every night. They simply bribe the right people with enough money because they know it will attract more people to go there >> Business Strategy.

So please, let's have a full list of GF hotels :)

BTW, I find it totally bizar that the cheap hotels (30$/night) tend to be GF, yet the upscale hotels (400$/night - Park Hyatt) are not GF. I work in the hospitality business and find it hard to believe that these upscale hotels are 100% "clean". I've stayed in many 5-star hotels around the world and have yet to find one that didn't allow/offer adult entertainment at a price.

For example, some years ago I used to travel to Moscow frequently. There the cheaper hotels were notorious for shaking down guests for extra money when trying to bring a girl in. However, the expensive hotels, like the 4 Marriott's they have there will allow this at no extra cost and can even offer you some girls from their inhouse selection.

Can anybody shed some light on this?

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Update:
Just after posting this post, I found an incredibly insightful post from Asian Rain on page 45 (I think). In one post he covers the basics about hotels being GF, bars, moto girls, etc. Even includes a map as reference to his post. Really excellent and (I think) a must read for all mongers going to HCM for the first time. Link below:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=413984&postcount=809[/url]

BBBJ, I agree, that is an informative post by Asian Rain. Unfortunately it is two years old, and you really cant go by it any more. In a fast evolving place like HCMC a lot will have changed in that time. Especially the specifics that first time visitors need - names, directions, cost.

[QUOTE=Sidhartha]BBBJ, I agree, that is an informative post by Asian Rain. Unfortunately it is two years old, and you really cant go by it any more. In a fast evolving place like HCMC a lot will have changed in that time. Especially the specifics that first time visitors need - names, directions, cost.[/QUOTE]

Ouch! I hadn't noticed it was already 2 years old.

May I assume that his post is still accurate, but that prices have pretty much doubled since then?

[QUOTE=Jazzy Boy]Do those bars in HBT have cover charges and are the drinks expensive?[/QUOTE]The HBT bars don't have cover charges. The ladies are pretty agressive at asking for lady drinks and there tends to be a minimum limit as to how many you are supposed to buy before being allowed to go, but this isn't always the case. Bargaining is a key at these places. Walked by HBT 49/51 last night. They were loaded with attractive ladies (seemed like more than usual) and they were all out on the curb trying to get me to come in. There were also a few ladies roaming around on motorbikes and a few others just hanging out on the corners in this area.

There is also a new bar on Dong Du. It's called the Chili Bar and its across from Saigon NY and a couple doors down from Cafe Latin. I believe it just opened this week as it is in the same location as I used to get my hair cut. 5 or 6 ladies that I saw inside, but didn't stay long. I was not asked once to buy a lady drink, which really surprised me.

I hope you post your experiences after visiting HCMC. They will be useful for other first time visitors. I will look forward to reading how you made out.

[QUOTE=Sidhartha]I hope you post your experiences after visiting HCMC. They will be useful for other first time visitors. I will look forward to reading how you made out.[/QUOTE]

I sure will!

[QUOTE=Saigon Daze]
There is also a new bar on Dong Du. It's called the Chili Bar and its across from Saigon NY and a couple doors down from Cafe Latin. I believe it just opened this week as it is in the same location as I used to get my hair cut. 5 or 6 ladies that I saw inside, but didn't stay long. I was not asked once to buy a lady drink, which really surprised me.[/QUOTE]

The Chili bar has been there about two years and the premises are a travel agency by day. Travel closes at 5 and bar opens at 6.

This is a quiet bar where there is no action in the bar and no take-out. Similar to Bob & Hiens on the corner. I have met some girls from there for lunch in the hope of an afternoon session but no go.

I spent the weekend in HCMC looking at the work/living situation & have now decided to move there in October. I stayed at a small hotel opposite the Go2 bar on Bui Vien st, $15 a night, no take in, noisy as hell, didn't matter though I was too buzzed to sleep much. Go2 bar seems to be open 24 hrs.

Saturday was a strange day... Spent the morning looking at work prospects, then watched the rugby & football. Went for a wander, then a very cute girl approached me on a Mbike down Tran Hung Dao st/ave, very good English. Offered massage & 'make love' for 150K. Zoomed off, she drove crazily fast, went down many side streets, alarm bells went off, I have a great sense of direction so I knew we made too many corners, at one point someone on a Mbike starts yelling at her, she zoomed off.

Got to her place, sped upstairs, had me naked in 7 secs, down for a very noisy massage, very suss now, I kept my head facing the wood panelling & saw someone come in the room from the reflection in the panel, a tall woman in her thirties, made some excuse & left. Getting pounded again, again saw her come in, she wanted room money, told her 'later'.

Cutey moves my trou to under the pillow, tries to get me to suck her nipps, not interested due to the weirdness of it all, twists my head around & I felt something odd, so I sat up just in time to see the other one taking all my money. Seems there's an entrance to the room through the bathroom. Got it all back, left, took note of the place, tried to tell the police, they're not interested, kickbacks I guess. My hotel knew of these scam artists.

The flaw in their scheme was the execution, too rushed, too pushy, very amateur in execution, massage was so not a real massage. Lucky for them I'm not a violent guy & then who knows who else is in the house. I did see an old lady in the next room & there was a young guy waiting on a Mbike outside who offered me a ride, no way. Was close to the main road anyway.

Have to thank Asian Rain for saving me here, I read in a post of his something like, 'Don't trust them, they don't trust you, so why should you trust them'. Gave me a healthy sense of distrust. Thanks again, I owe ya a night on the town. :)

Ended up the night with a short time half chinese girl, good basic sex.

Very odd way to spend my birthday, even more odd because I was so busy all day I completely forgot it was my birthday until I was at the airport the next day.

First night I found a street girl who was just great, the most eager BBBJ ever, v good sex, pleasantly chatty, nice way to start my bday.

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My report for Vietnam.

Good morning Gentlemen, here is my poor report in Vietnam.

Thought I had in Saigon my very best experience in BBBJ fine art, this was mostly a lucky exception of a general bad attitude of the females against their job. To tell the truth, I've never knew a female with a good attitude, if one would desire, as men desire, she would just ask for action, not for money, isn't it? So, wether we all like to think sometime they like to do, imagining their moaning and uuhh-ing and yesss-ing are real expressions of feeling, after all they will ask for money, and that's mean, they do not think what they felt has a value, as you. Yes may be they like, but never as much as doing free, that's mean they don't care to do or not, they do it just if they earn something, in many case this something is a dinner, a supper, or a hook to a richer country, earning doesn't necessarly means money, but never never free. Ask all your freebie if they would go for free with a man of their country, even well covered and hidden from everybody, may be in another city where they will not be recognized. They will always answer no, because they don't have nothing to gain. Me, when I got satisfied I feel to say thank you, not ask money, but of course I am a man, females are very different. Anyway vietnamis stuff is the worst I've met in south-east Asia, thought the worst down there, is one billion times better of the nicest smartest western female, wich at last I call "unuseful stuff".

Saigon: arrived in Saigon via Bus of Mekong Express from Phnom Penh. Good service good deal. Stopped in backpackers headquarters in Saigon Phan Nung Lao, got a motodop quite quickly to Mac Thi Buoi at Dong Do, wich I reserved via email 2 days before. Better to reserve in advance. The staff is gentle and nice. Dong Do is ok, quite new, no smell, clean and quite. Definitly GF, they keep ID card and they call you after. Unuseful thing, they ask if it's all ok, you would like to scream with all your evilness in the phone "No, she was bad, she didn't do nothing, she was just a rubber dolly, she was alive as beefsteak after 40 minutes bbq treatment", but at last what can you say, you answer "yes" because nothing really happened anyway, and just a fool can be relieved of money from those very lazy females.
Went outside at night, crossing the street walking 3 minutes until U2, got around the corner of Hai Ba Trung and after a block here is it. 3 or four go-go bar. Went in #49, dealing is easy, mamasan say the right price at first you don't have to bargain (I already knew form ISG because I was just a silent reader). There are many cutes in vietnam, but this depends to my eyes 'cause I like that type of meat, thin, white and fragile. Picked up a nice one and got back to Dong Do. She was all time worried of being outside with me, like she was scared about something. She asked for a taxi not to walk, I told her it was just a minute walk to hotel and then we went. There is some kind of moralism going on in vietnam, by police, you don't have to be really aware of, but females have to. Worst experience ever, as long as I got back to #49 with her and complain with mamasan. Unuseful act, but better not keep silence, future is going darker anyway. Of course I didn't get money back 300.000dong. Next day I went to next bar of #49 wich I think it was #53 I'm not sure of number, anyway just walked ahead. There was a young papasan there, I told him the yesterday's experience and he told me "I help you choose". Then came Hong. I was tough with her. I told her "if I cum I pay, if I don't cum I don't pay, please repeat". Then she repeat, and I ask repeating it both mamasan behind the bar and the papasan guy, in front of her, make sure the deal was ok for everybody, i told them "this way, take it or leave it". I was gentle but firm, wich is the right attitude in vietnam, never get angry, but never be smooth. We went to Dong Do, what she did, I don't know, she just took off her clothes, took seat in between my legs, and managed the little fellow in a snap I was cumming, not for a short shot, she sucked like a vacuum cleaner, I should call her Hoover. It was more like pissing in her mouth, it won't stop. Next evening I was back to her, same course but she managed some sort of haul to a short time hotel far away because her pimp warned her there was police going around, she sayed. I didn't like and I got wrong mood. She reacts same and we was leaving with angriness but I stopped her at last and we did, BBBJ as before. Thought the day before I could be surprised for, second time I was not, but the course was the same, vacuum cleaner turned on and... 800.000dong. Excessive price, usually yes, not in this case, but I was luck. what I've learned in this experience: if they want to satisfy you they know how to do in seconds, but most of the time they just don't want and don't care because they will get money anyway.

My impression: she was so small she was scared about dimension of western men's dick, then for not being hurted in between legs she just devoleped a good tecnique for empting your balls firstly, and if one thing has to be sayed about vietnam is that when they decide to do a thing they do it very very well. On the other hand if they don't like to do a thing they do it very very badly.

A pimp in the middle of the road, most of mototaxi driver are, introduce me a SW stuff. Won't worth, bad attitude, the only thing I've got is a bedroom plenty of nutshell she kept eating all time long. 200.000dong wasted.

One night went inside U2, the gogo bar on Mac Thi Buoi near Dong Do hotel. Many times its females pulled me in, in pasts days. Then I went. Waste of time. No friendly, no cuteness, no gentleness. Get there and you'll see from the very first time they aggressivly pull you from arms. Was after the hoover treatment I had been dried out. Then I didn't have any kind of desire, went in just for the fun having a beer in between girls. You should see how female world behave when there are no potential customer around. I was alone inside with them and showed them my pockets to be sure I didn't have money. They even checked out and touched me all along my body like security stuff at airport. When they were sure I would have never been a customer, they start to injury me, they told me the worst thing I've ever heard, and inside the bar, cause none was watching them they behave wildly like monkeys, figthing between them. I was just laughing because I had nothing to loose and it was my last day in vietnam, but I've seen how females really behave when there are not customer around, their real nature.

Nha Trang. Sailing Club is getting alive only at 11-12 in the night. Very misterious behavior. Females come in small packed, they keep togheter all time long and do not talk neither watch to any other. You must attack them. Some nice, some not. Forget youngness, you will not find in Nha Trang, may be in barber shops but they will keep watching tv even if you ask for them. There was a spanish guy there, talking with me, he told me he was living there and that females are 80% *****s there and also they all hate him because he never pay them. Ok, nice thing to say but where are all these *****s? Show me. He was unable to. It was plenty of those bunches but he told that night there were neither one. Many chat about Sailing Club, to me was nothing at all, didn't get none. Other places in Nha Trang didn't found. Have been to Sun hotel, the guy at the reception send me a friend of him, very cute and nice, she came in, looked like a porcelain dolly, and as porcelain behaved. In front of Sun hotel there is a barber shop. I tried the experience. HJ for 5$. Quite bizzarre experience. Resting on the massage bed, half naked, she hand-managed me while watching a tv. Then 4 more girls came in the back, just hidden by a courtain, and watched me while hand-jobbing. They were all serious and watched me like if I were a strange animal coming from Mars. Those all 10 eyes made me cum, don't know why, and they all smiled.

Plenty of backpackers everywhere, Sailing Club full of western women's cattles dancing and behaving wildly, as you all very well know. Traditional tourism stay in the north part of the city wehre many big hotels are growing, Nha Trang is fast becaming like Acapulco.

Took airplane of vietnam airlines from saigon to Nha Trang, 36$ ticket, don't hassle with 8 hours bus, there is nothing to see along the way. Buy the ticket ad HQ of Vietnam in Saigon, it's easy and fast.

I am quite a good man, easy going, had a good time in thailand, in cambodia, but I don't know why, in vietnam I kept fighting with every female. Boh.

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This report is somewhat dated as the U2 bar has been gone for a long time now having been transformed into bar 29 on Dong Khoi. Bar 29 now has quite few new cattle who were not part of the scene at U2.

The information about Dong Do practices with female visitors is also typical of the hotels in that street. The exception is Bach Dang next door.

As for the performance in bed with the gals from the HBT bars I find this quite contrary to my experience. I must have taken 20 girls from those bars and all of them except one performed like the natural sex fiends they are outside of the bar environment. My only exception was one who had a personal problem with my hotel - sister or someone worked next door and would see her going in.

As for the mamasan giving you proper price up front - no need to bargain. This is absolutely incorrect as you have to bargain all the way. Unless you are picking some hag that no-one else wants. The only mamasan I do not bargain with is the one on Dong Do and that is because I buy her drinks and we established the price a long time ago.

It is true that if the girls know the police are around they will want to get a cab no matter how short the ride - or maybe walk behind you a few yards. They know what is going on - respect this. You are not going to pay until the deed is done so they will not run away.

And the report by Nonthab serves as further warning about going off to some ST hotel selected by the girls.

I just arrive in saigon, yesterday and I was hanging arround bui vien area, I met som nice working girls there but the price they ask me was way to high on my hears. 200 box 2 year ago it was arround 50 us but I don't know if the price grow that hig in 2 year.

I was in danang 2 week a go and I pay 27 us (this price sound fair) for a pretty decent prestation the girl was cute and reaaly kind.

So I didn't know what to think when I heard this price, I know they try her chance and double the price. But I think 100 or 150 it a bit to high for a street girl.

Can you tell me what is the normal price here, because one hundred it near to 3300 thb, and in bk for this price you get a hig class thai.

Thank you by advance.

Rapha

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]This report is somewhat dated ...[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, it refers on February wich make it a little "dated", hope not too much unless in 5 months the world completley changed. I just registered few days ago. Did you see the title of my report? "poor report", I'm not a professional, just hang around and try, I wrote report for my little contribute, wich I think is fair, and being as honest as possible. When I read about a country, wich I am actually doing about indonesia, you know wich are the most useful report? The ones of the newbies, because the professional write down their personal adventure, wich can be fun but won't help in any manner. Or write things referring to a territory knowledge most of us do not have, then turning out to be almost not understandable, or writing down, as many do, just personal sexual experience like ISG were a porno-magazine, wich still can be fun but for real help on the location is unuseful. Actually I am on 1500th report of jackarta and I still don't understand where action take place, out of blok M. Simple report are for simple persons. Sorry if you bother to read it. But I mean, if a newbie ask questions senior complain, if a newbie write a report senior complain so what should a newbie write? I know, keep silence wich I certainly will do as in the past two years. Anyway. Sensations about girls are personals, maybe I am not the kind of man for vietnamise then I didn't get good experiemce, maybe you are more suited to them so you fully enjoy them. Good for you. Last, if I write I didn't bargain, is because I didn't bargain, you can trust me or not, is your right not to do, to me happened that way, why, I don't know.

Sorry for the flame, it will stop here.

[QUOTE=Raphael Lovaa]I just arrive in saigon, yesterday and I was hanging arround bui vien area.

The price of SW is determined by several factors. The location you meet the girl, the quality (looks) of the girl, how the girl dresses, what the girl's demeanor is like, who else is involved in the deal & your negotiation skills. The motorbike girls/girls at the zoo area still about 200k for a ST. The girls at some small bars like Guns N Roses on Pham Ngu Lao St. are about 300k for a ST. The girls at Apocalypse are about $50-$100 for a ST. The girls at Gossip are about $70-$100 for a ST. Not sure what you meant by "200 box". If you meant 200k, then that's about right. If you meant $200, that's no way. The only way the girl is worth $200 are the high class call girls. These girls usually have played a small role in some low budget movies or have competed in some music/model contest but didn't do well. In order to get a hold of them, you have to know who their pimps are. These pimps usually hang around the high class coffee shop or night clubs.

[QUOTE=Playsafe][QUOTE=Raphael Lovaa]I just arrive in saigon, yesterday and I was hanging arround bui vien area.

The price of SW is determined by several factors. The location you meet the girl, the quality (looks) of the girl, how the girl dresses, what the girl's demeanor is like, who else is involved in the deal & your negotiation skills. The motorbike girls/girls at the zoo area still about 200k for a ST. The girls at some small bars like Guns N Roses on Pham Ngu Lao St. are about 300k for a ST. The girls at Apocalypse are about $50-$100 for a ST. The girls at Gossip are about $70-$100 for a ST. Not sure what you meant by "200 box". If you meant 200k, then that's about right. If you meant $200, that's no way. The only way the girl is worth $200 are the high class call girls. These girls usually have played a small role in some low budget movies or have competed in some music/model contest but didn't do well. In order to get a hold of them, you have to know who their pimps are. These pimps usually hang around the high class coffee shop or night clubs.[/QUOTE]

Is this just me, or is HCMC seriously over priced? If these are the prices you're quoting, I'm assuming that every average Joe, not knowing how to negotiate, is charged double???

$100 for short time??? That girl must have a platinum pussy, natural perky E Cup tits, and suction power that rivals industrial vacuum cleaners. Holy momma!

I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:
-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.
-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.
-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

What is it that has made Vietnam so rediculously expensive?

...guess I'm having an anxiety attack from all the high prices ...and I haven't even been there yet!!

( time out: 5 minutes)

Ok, now that I have calmed down, let's get back to business:

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?

To Brenno - not seeking to flame you my friend - just pointing out things that are contrary to my experience.

As for prices.

Bargirls from HBT or nearby are usually starting around VND 1 mil for LT and go up to VND 1.5 mil. They will typically ask for more and you have to bargain. As part of this bargaining process they might introduce a bar fine or minimum number of lady drinks. I always roll this into a total price that I am prepared to pay the girls after the deed. And if they will not budge from an unreasonable price then I will walk.

The girls at places like Apocalypse are asking about VND 1.5 mil which is about what Playsafe said. I have never found one attractive enough to negotiate a deal so I reall don't know their bottom line.

This sort of prices level (VND 1.5 mil) also applies to the girls from Catwalk or Club Royale. These girls are getting to the model quality but I also have found to be prima donnas - don't mess my makeup, careful of my hair etc etc etc - I just can't be bothered. Late in the night you might get them down to VND 1.2 mil.

There are cheaper girls on motorbikes etc but I don't touch them. I have had
some girls who were selling books and stuff on the street.

For BBBJ - the thing about Vietnam is that the need to negotiate is paramount. I think the Vietnamese set their opening prices higher and negotiate harder than most other Asians. Its part of the game and you have to live with it and negotiate to get to a fair price. If they will not budge then walk away.

Air travel to Vietnam is tightly held by the cartel and bargains are hard to find. Domestic fares are regulated and cheap. The big Hotels (Renaissance, Carravell, Sheraton, New World, Hyatt) are fairly expensive but very good. But there are a lot of reasonable or even cheap local hotels.

And food and booze are cheap and excellent quality.

[QUOTE=BBBJ][QUOTE=Playsafe]I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:

-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.

-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.

-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?[/QUOTE]There are several factors that cause the prices of Hotels & hookers to be so high:

1. Real estate in downtown area is extremely expensive.

2. Punishment for SW getting caught in the act is extremely high.

3. Being called a hooker is really shameful in Vietnamese culture.

4. The girls in downtown & Hai Ba Trung area are for non Vietnamese speaking Johns only & the tourists. That might be why I've never heard of HBT until I found out about this site. Excellent site BTW. Now there are several people in this deal: the mamasan/papasan, the owner, the guy who supplies girls to these bars, the cops & the mafia.

If you want to get a good deal, IMO, this is what you should do. Go into a bar & just have a drink. If the girls ask you to go to the hotel, you say "not today" then give them some stupid reasons for why not today but do get their phone numbers so you can set up for an after work session with them. You can cut all the middle persons out. If you speak Vietnamese, even better, you can leave downtown & HBT area & go to other districts further out where you can find some really nice looking girls for $20 for ST & $40 for LT.

I don't understand the term "freebies" in this regard. Unless you're young, good looking & live there for a while, I feel either way you will have to pay. If you don't pay them with money, then you would have to shower them with gifts. Since it's shameful to be named hooker, there are girls out there who don't want to be named "hookers", but they actually have sex for monetary or material gain in a very subtle & amateur way. I have met several of them. They never name a price before the deed. After the deed, they always find a reason for needing the money such as a sick mother at the hospital or her younger brother needs money to pay for his school or some stupid reasons. Talking about money without them asking for it or before the deed, you might give them the impression that you think they're hookers. if they're the pros, you should always ask about the price before the session. If not, you will have to pay a lot more.

I've never heard of bar fines. Maybe just in the bars near HBT. Whatever fines that you have to pay, in other areas, they are usually included in the price. Maybe just the condoms & the short time mini hotel or guest house fee. In some Bia Oms ( beer & girls), you have to drink a 24-pack of beer before you can take the girls upstairs. Be careful! That case of beer can cost you anywhere from 300k to 500k. You don't have to drink the whole case. The girls just pop the cans left & right. You just have to pay for it.

If I have to pay for it, I never want to stay at the 4/5 star hotels. For me it's just a bad idea. The thieves love people staying at those hotels. You can get a hotel at the Pham Ngu Lao area for $20 with every amenity you can imagine, maybe not a swimming pool & a dance club or a tennis court.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be ISG expert here. I write ONLY what I know & what I have experienced.

Good luck hunting!

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Not attempting to be overcritical of you Sudsoz but I thought that a correction was in order regarding air fares to Vietnam. A few years ago it was true that air fares were high because there was no competition. Now that Air Asia, Tiger Airways. Jetair (I think they are operating now) and a few other carriers have moved in, prices even from the national airline have come down.

[QUOTE=Simian]Not attempting to be overcritical of you Sudsoz but I thought that a correction was in order regarding air fares to Vietnam. A few years ago it was true that air fares were high because there was no competition. Now that Air Asia, Tiger Airways. Jetair (I think they are operating now) and a few other carriers have moved in, prices even from the national airline have come down.[/QUOTE]

If I want to travel next couple of days then Tiger and Jetstar want around US$130 one way to SIN including taxes. VN is about $300 return and SQ $350.

Like many places the cheap fares are only available if you book weeks in advance. Not my profile.

Fact is I can get realtime fares SIN BKK or SIN JKT for about half of what SIN SGN fares are.

I think the issue is that Tiger and Jetstar do not yet have enough capacity to have cheap seats available. Tiger used to but not now. And if I was in their shoes I would be looking at the yield and not adding capacity too fast.

BTW there is some good advice in Playsafe's report.

His comments about freebies are quite correct. With a little time and patience it is possible to hook up with non-working gals but with gifts and dinners etc it might cost you almost as much. I often buy the duty free Tommy-Girl perfume in a twin pack and split the pack as gifts. The results are instantaneous and awesome because all the perfume in Vietnam is crappy copies.

[QUOTE=BBBJ][QUOTE=Playsafe]

Is this just me, or is HCMC seriously over priced? If these are the prices you're quoting, I'm assuming that every average Joe, not knowing how to negotiate, is charged double???

$100 for short time??? That girl must have a platinum pussy, natural perky E Cup tits, and suction power that rivals industrial vacuum cleaners. Holy momma!

I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:
-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.
-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.
-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

What is it that has made Vietnam so rediculously expensive?

...guess I'm having an anxiety attack from all the high prices ...and I haven't even been there yet!!

( time out: 5 minutes)

Ok, now that I have calmed down, let's get back to business:

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?[/QUOTE]For tourists, getting laid with gorgeous girls in Vietnam is never easy and never cheap, unless you are damn lucky. What the heck are you bitching about? if you can't handle the hassle, just DON'T GO to Vietnam for your sexual needs. Bangkok is ideal for your needs. and I don't know what the heck are you complaining about over the USD100 being charged. Most gorgeous girls worth their salt in Bangkok are charging 3000 to 4000, some even 5000 baht nowadays in Bangkok massage parlour for ST. Please don't compare them to the girls in agogo bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy or Patpong. They are simply incomparable and that's why customers in massage parlours are willing to pay that kind of prices.

I fully agree. VN is fanatastic now for business and its an amazing country for normal tourist stuff. For expats it must be paradise, plenty of frerebies possible but that takes time. For mongering holidays better stick to the Phills or Thailand.



[QUOTE=Cowboy Brew][QUOTE=BBBJ]For tourists, getting laid with gorgeous girls in Vietnam is never easy and never cheap, unless you are damn lucky. What the heck are you bitching about? if you can't handle the hassle, just DON'T GO to Vietnam for your sexual needs. Bangkok is ideal for your needs. and I don't know what the heck are you complaining about over the USD100 being charged. Most gorgeous girls worth their salt in Bangkok are charging 3000 to 4000, some even 5000 baht nowadays in Bangkok massage parlour for ST. Please don't compare them to the girls in agogo bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy or Patpong. They are simply incomparable and that's why customers in massage parlours are willing to pay that kind of prices.[/QUOTE]

A few thoughts about Vietnam. But first an introduction. I’ve been mongering for about 20 years after being innocently taken by a taxi driver to the Nana hotel in Bangkok in my early 20’s. All I said was, ‘know a cheap hotel’ and that was that. If ever there’s a hotel that deserves a book written about it, it’s the Nana. I doubt if there’s a single place on the planet that’s had so much pussy pounding going on. The same trip I discovered by the same kind of accident Angeles City.

I’ve been based in Vietnam for about 4 years (by choice) but spend about half my time with work outside the country, usually in Thailand, Phillippines, Cambodia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc.

I speak a little Vietnamese.

But Enough of that.

A few observations for HCMC. The cheaper the hotel is, the more girl friendly it’s likely to be.

I’d recommend trying hotels in the 25-50 price range on Thai Van Lung or in that area. The Medal Hotel for example.

Or else any of the hotels on the streets around Binh Tan Market.

All of these places are inconsistent as to policy as it depends who’s on the front desk at the time.

5 star hotels are a waste of time for the Monger.

As for the girls, it truly is a much more an insiders game here due to all the reasons stated by others here, but it’s also a great place for those mongers who like the thrill of the hunt.

All you need to find is the right pimp, motorbike or other. Find a good one and you’re into a world of absolute cuties which should cost no more than 500,000 dong ( USD 30) even to a foreigner.

Find a bad one and you’ll end up alone in some dark alley minus your wallet and watch.

You are very unlikely to ever be physically harmed if you hand over the items, and you’ll never forget the experience.

I should know I’ve been held up at knifepoint twice, ( not in Vietnam) and gunpoint once.

But I quite like the adventure mongering for a change of pace.

Admiitedly finding a truly good pimp isn’t all that easy as most of the ones who approach you will be high on the smell of your money.

As a local, I can have a super hot girl delivered to my house faster than a pizza and the problem most expat’s have here is there are far too many girls.

The other best source of girls here for anyone with a bit of time, is other girls.

Find a local café, not an expat one, find a waitress who speaks English and before you know it they’ll be pimping their friends.

MTV should start a Pimp Your Friend show.

These girls will mostly not be working girls and usually looking for a sugardaddy or boyfriend, although I’m not sure what the difference is. Technically these girls are freebies as the direct transaction of money for sex isn’t the norm.

But you can find some true genuine model quality beauties this way.

Having said all of this, if you’re just a monger with a short time there are plenty of girls in all the bars listed here it’s just a matter of luck in finding quality, as the turnover in these places is as high as the tourist prices.

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You make some good points. HCMC for visitor can be pricy. I've got some local connections but these business associates are more of the high roller types. They claim street price for US$100-150 ST/LT...quality is good but as noted not 'cheap'.

So Parnellcat - would you be willing to act as an unofficial ISG pimp for some of us?

:)

I was at Catwalk last night with some Malaysians. Had a pretty girl with big boobs and heavily permed hair. Starting price to come back was US$250 and could not get her to budge under $200.

I guess this means that someone is actually paying these prices.

Part of what I do is marketing related but the best marketer I’ve ever come across is my Number one pimp.

Last night for example I received sms’s from about 4 girls and my main pimp.

The girls don’t bother to call as they know I never answer.

The fact they’ve even got my number says something about these girls as I virtually never give it out unless the girl is exceptional in some way. I have a small harem ranging from GFE girl ‘Shygirl’ through to one dirty old porn dog who is a cum hungry monster. But I like the variety. It’s fun to purpose build a harem but it does take a little effort to maintain. I have 8 girls in this inner group.

This is the exact transcript of my main pimps txt from last night.

Have very lovely new gd one. So beautiful. 19 yr arrive HCMC today. Never working before. You want try?

I know it sounds like a car ad, one little old lady owner but my main pimp after 4 years of being his best customer very rarely lets me down.

Number One pimp is studying a business degree by day and is now in his 3rd year. He only has a small group of regular, in his own words “trustworthy and reliable clients.”
A pimp looking for trustworthy clients?

Actually that says a lot about Vietnam. His occupation is high risk and just to operate he still has to pay off the mafia.

But he has a niche market and he sticks to it. He is smart and focused and has a very clear goal in mind. He only deals in quality. No drug addicts, street *****s, or as he explains ‘indentured girls”

So of course I had to try and I set a time. Number one pimp is number one also because he’s always on time and his quality is unbelievable.

I love the moment of when they arrive and you never know what’s going to turn up.
Last nights girl was exactly as described with long straight hair down to her butt in a ponytail and an awesome figure.

They’re usually very shy at first because often I’m their first westerner .

But I can speak enough Vietnamese to relax them and get them laughing and then…
She complained at first that I’m too big but really it was because her pussy was too tight.

But these girls all know that I tip well for good service. I have Number One pimp brief them up front.

What many of these girls lack in experience they make up for in enthusiasm and fun.

I paid less than $40 for 3 hours of fun.

Most of these girls don’t speak any English.

As to sharing the pimp’s number it would be obviously counterproductive.

There are plenty of them around. The mafia runs whole rings of them. There are several groups on the fringe from the most common but lowest quality, often rip off merchant Honda Om guys, to the niche quality pimps. The best advice I can offer is you won’t find this kind of quality pimp outside Q bar or Apocalypse.

Get out to the upmarket Vietnamese cafes, early evening. Size it all up. It’s trial and error. It takes time. The very best pimps are not the ‘Motorbike you’ guys in the tourist spots but you can get lucky with those guys too. Occasionally you might find a good one cruising Thai Van Lung or outside lush or Gossip. Personally I’d avoid all the ones around Q Bar or Apocalypse.

In HCMC, if you look, you will find.

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Most of the international 5 star hotels are nowadays gf during the day and some also at night, if you are discrete. The governement owned ones (Saigontourist) are usually not at all.


One of the owner of a small bar on HBT, I got friendly with, told me he hears or sees almots everyday of some foreigners being robbed late at night by motogirls and their gang. I don't know if this is true or if he was using this agrument to sell his girls.

I witnessed again some drunken Aussie or Yank or Brit getting a serious beating in Apoc after pestering a normal girl who was there with her bf and friends for a normal night of dancing. Not all the girls in Apo are players. Mots but not all, some just like the music and atmosphere. If they decline your advances, smile and move on. Within a matter of seconds there were 5 VN guys and the securtiy guard jumping him. Some guys will never learn not to pick a fight in VN( or Asia for that matter), you just can't win, because it's never a one on one but a five against one.

Parnellcat,

you are one lucky few who is able to enjoy that supply if you know the source. all are possible if one adhere to rules of discretion and games. I was trying to send u private msg but it said yours account does not accept or received them.

Like Parnellcat, I know the importance of having a Vietamese friend who is trustworthy and who will introduce you to some of the naughtier aspects of HCMC. I know a xe om driver. He's not exactly a pimp, but like most Vietnamese males who have grown up here he knows where the locals go to have to fun. He is very friendly and speaks both English and French. I trust him which is saying something since in my experience most xe om drivers will try to rip you off. I'd be willing to share his number. He'll take you to the hot toc and bia om places that the locals frequent. He'll bargain with the owner so that you won't be charged the tourist price. I usually pay him 50,000 VND each time which makes him very happy and which is well worth it since many of these places I would have been unable to find on my own. He has offered to take me down to the Mekong Delta where I understand there are numerous opportunities for FS for only 100,000 VND.

Just a heads up mates.

A group of people (big guy with bunch of girls) are in Apocalypse that try to get guys to go to their bar (Cheers) on Bui Vien Street when Apocalypse closes. Saw them talking with head manager so Apocalypse is supporting them/getting kick backs. Cheers is open all night. Went there, got over charged, offered drugs, etc. But is only place I know that is open all night. So, if you want to find a place to drink all night and don't mind the scamming.

Luck mates.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I was at Catwalk last night with some Malaysians. Had a pretty girl with big boobs and heavily permed hair. Starting price to come back was US$250 and could not get her to budge under $200.

I guess this means that someone is actually paying these prices.[/QUOTE]I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.

Does anyone know what happened to the scooter girls around the zoo? I drive pass there on the way home every night and lately, there seems to be not a soul patroling the area.

[QUOTE=Saigon Daze]I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.[/QUOTE]These clubs are generally for Japanese and Koreans. They have big company expense accounts. So, they don't care. Their entire business culture is based on working hard all day and then going to Karaoke bars (also taking customers) to 'relax. ' Then taking the girls from the place home. It's paid for by the companies.

[QUOTE=Saigon Daze]I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me her number or name.

Because I'm living in HCMC too.

Thanks

Parnellcat,

Congrats on finding such an awesome contact. I am on my way to starting my own little harem but without the middle man. It takes a longer process but the results are still the same. I have found some awesome ladies from Apocalypse, Gossip, Palace, Bia Oms, Saloons, MGM, Aqua, and I have never paid anything more than USD$100. Some of them only cost me a price of a simple lunch for 2 under VND50 000. THis is in no way saying I am "Al Cheapo" or the gurls are really bad, just that I treat them with respect and I try my best to make them feel as comfortable as possible.

Sudsoz,

Once again, thanks for the great info. As for USD$250 to book a ger in Catwalk, most probably its either the Japs, Koreans or Taiwanese are doing it(No offence meant in anyway). I have personally seen them tip the girls VND 500,000 up to VND1 Mil before and not only once but on numerous occasions.

I have been based here in HCMC for 19 months and counting and I can honestly tell you the place and attitudes are starting to change or maybe I am just feeling jaded about the whole thing.

Just another thing.

Was at Gossip a few nights back, saw a caucasion guy being forcefully dragged out by the Security. Asked them what happened and it was becuase the guy approached a lady and tried to chat her up but she ignored him. And due to this, he poured his drink over the girl's head. Go Figure?!?!!?!

[QUOTE=Ling5588]Can you tell me her number or name.

Because I'm living in HCMC too.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Ling,

Why do you need that specific girl's name and number? They are ALL working girls there in Catwalk and Club Royale. Just go in and pick one and start negotiating. With a little bit of time, effort and luck, you can get them down to $100-$120. Which by the way is still too expensive. I miss Bangkok.

Parnell - sounds like you have a nice little situation going on. Have fun.

Hi guys,

I visited Saigon earlier this month for business.

The Airport:
An absolute horror. Reminded me of the horrible airport of Kiev. Taxi from the airport to the city is cheap as long as the meter is on. Don't remember what I paid, so i guess that proves my point ;)

The City:
Saigon/HCMC is a city very different from other cities in Asia. I've been to most major cities in Asia, and I find this one intriguing. I found most people very intelligent and eager to show how well educated they are. Their level of English was surprisingly high.

The city gave me somewhat of a European vibe... but then better ;)

Women walking around in the traditional Vietnamese clothes that split on both sides revealing their skin gave me an instant boner ;)

Pretty much everything in the central area is geared towards tourists, so be ready to bargain hard (or pay the price).

The Hotel:
Stayed at the Duxton hotel. Booking through a local Vietnamese travel agency will give you a major discount (even cheaper than Asia Rooms dotcom). I paid $70/night including TAX, SC and Breakfast. Got a room at the top floor overlooking the city.

The Duxton is a typical business hotel. Many business people from Singapore and Japan there. Service at the hotel was fine, breakfast was actually quite good and the rooms were ok. Nothing special, but at $70/night not bad.

The main gripe I had was the charge for the internet service in the room @ $18/day. The business center charged a whopping $1/minute for internet access.

I knew going in that the hotel was not GF, but had no choice.

The Hunting:
After being there for a week and checking out the scene, I was somewhat underwhelmed. The fact that the 3-5star hotels or not GF, was a MAJOR turn-off.

Checked out Gossip Club:
High-end club for dumb Asian business men that want to get drunk and blow a huge amount of cash on overpriced drinks/hookers.

It was raining when I arrived by taxi. One of the security people welcomed me with an umbrella at the taxi (very classy) and escorted me inside. More security gards gave me an overfriendly welcome with much handshaking.

Inside, as I said: 80% drunken Vietnamese, Japanese and Singaporian businessmen. About 15 working girls all chasing the guys that were most drunk.

If I remember correctly, a beer was $10. I finished my drink and left ...not my thing.

Club 29:
Close to Majestic hotel and in walking distance from most of the other major hotels.

It's a small bar with not too many customers (at least the few times I was there). Every night they have about 20 girls inside, and most of the time I was there alone or with 1-2 other guys.

Girls will approach you and haunt you for lady drinks (150k/shot). Buying a girl a lady drink allows you to fondle her, grab her tits/ass/pussy and kiss her for about 10-15 minutes.

There weren't many hot girls there. Just one behind the bar with big tits and and nice body. Baught her 2 lady drinks and enjoyed the fondling.

Got her to give me a BBBJ with CIM upstairs in what I call "the cave". She started asking from $75, but I quickly changed the currency to Dong (never negotiate in dollars!) and got her down to 300k. She performed good service, strong suction power and a full CIM. After I came, she cleaned my tool and sucked it some more ...a nice touch ;)

The next day I walked around again, checked out some of the other little bars, but found nothing special. Ended up going to Club 29 again. Baught the same girl a lady drink again, and started negotiating for the takeout service. Again, had to switch from Dollars to Dong as she started asking for $150. Eventually I took out my wallet and started counting the bills. I said I had only 1 Million Dong with me so that would have to cover the minihotel and her services. She kept asking me to goto an ATM machine, but said my ATM cards don't work in Saigon.

Took a taxi went to some cheap mini-hotel in the backpackers district (just behind the central area). A real turn-off for me. There were staff sleeping on the stairs, in hallways and just outside our room.

The rooms were...well....cheap, but I kept telling myself I wasn't here to sleep. Still...it was a major turn-off for me (I could actually hear one of the ladies in the hallway snore).

We took a shower together, and then dried ourselves with the mini-towels. We went at it, and came in her face after about 10 minutes. Had a rest, then started banging her again. Came in her mouth after 15 mins.

While she was very nice and willing to do me all night long, the whole environment just turned me off, so I decided to leave.

I took out my wallet and gave her the agreed 1 Million Dong. She then started whining about the charge for the mini-hotel, but I reminded her firmly about the agreed price that included the mini-hotel.

As a tip: negotiate the price with the girl that includes the mini-hotel. Otherwise when you arrive at the mini-hotel, they will rip you off with a high price and of course the girl will get a comission for that.

Freebies:
I had a freebie experience here with a friend of a colleague. I'm not into this whole freebie thing, but it kinda snuck up on me.

All I can say is that many girls here are eager to hunt a western business man down and give him the ultimate gift. Of course they do expect the whole relationship thing and will be sure to give you the ultimate guilt trip if you are not into that... Don't think I have to get into this too much. For me, it's simply not worth the time, money and guilt trip afterwards.

While I do like Saigon and the women very much, when looking purely at hunting, I still prefer Bangkok ...but that's just my own personal opinion.

I'll be back in Saigon for a few days next week. This time will stay at the Ho Sen hotel. I checked it out when I was there and when you don't have to entertain business partners in a fancy hotel lobby, it will do just fine. Internet is free, rooms look pretty good and most importantly ... GF!!!

I see BBBJ has changed hotels for his second visit to HCMC - fast learner.

His experience of the ST hotels is exactly why I choose not to use them. Preferable to find a hotel you can actually stay in that is GF. If you need to meet business people find one near a big hotel and they will never know the difference.

All international flights are switching to the new terminal this weekend. SQ, TG and VN are already there. A friend flew out of the old terminal last night with CX and said it was like a morgue with all the shops packing up their stock.

[QUOTE=BBBJ] Checked out Gossip Club:

High-end club for dumb Asian business men that want to get drunk and blow a huge amount of cash on overpriced drinks/hookers. [/QUOTE]Sorry but I would say that Gossip is one of the more affordable places. You should have tried Palace Discon located just a bit to the left of Duxton. The prices are way higher than Gossip.

If I remember correctly, a beer (Heiniken) at Gossip cost VND 60K dont know how you got charge triple that.

By the way, I see alot of caucasian males there also trying to do the same thing. I also see them doing the same thing over at Apocalypse.

Hello gentlemen, I want to fly my favourite honey ko from Manila to Ho Chi Minh, or Hanoi, for a nice vacation.

Can anybody tell me any discount airlines which fly these routes?

Gangles

gentlemen,

Further to my earlier request for info.

When I was working in Vietnam a couple of years ago, it was essential to show marriage certificate for man and woman to book into one room.

I want to bring my gf from Phils for a vacation in Saigon in October.

Are there any hotels where we can book into one room, when we are not married, without paying for a second room? I expect that we will stay for about a week.

best

Gangles.

Gangles - why put this in both Hanoi and HCMC threads - there is a general thread.

As for hotels in HCMC - RTFF and do some homework. Direct identification of hotels is not a good thing due to authority overview.

Gangles

You wouldn't get any cheaper quote on here than from any travel agency in manila. I usually get my ticket from swagman, but you can walk about in Ermita and find many good travel offices. Swagman is Aussie owned, its prices are maybe 10 to 20 dollars above the Phil places but somehow I trust getting my credit card swipped by them. Depends on the season, I believe this is low, the round trip is about $350+

I tried asking about Tiger but after doing all the calculations plus overnight in Singapore, the number is almost the same as Vietnam Airlines, which is co-share with Philippines Airlines but it is a bit cheaper eventhough you are sitting on the same plane. Philippines airlines is unlike that of other Asian airlines when it comes to flight attendants. They model themselves after US airlines by hiring gargoyles. I know airlines food is bad enough, but don't look at them and eat at the same time. Dear Lord!

Also, remember that when comming back to the PIs, you must present to the ticketing agent your proof of a future exit ticket from the Philippines if you are not a Pinoy, otherwise they will ask you to buy a temporary ticket which can be refund later.

Since you bring your own Honey Ko, and you don't have to worry about the hunt, enjoy their coutry and cuisine which is fantastic. In case she misses the Philippines cuisine, they also have Pizza Hut and KFC here. haha

If your GF is not vietnamese, you shouldn't have any problem

Hello,

Is anyone going to be in HCM during late October? I am vietnamese and would like to know the party places and someone to party with in HCM. I have been to VN several times before and always met regular chicks through friends or family or pick up girls who work at the shopping centers. Some of them are very cute. However I would like to be able to speak english sometime during the trip also. Hehe This time I would like to experience the darker side of vn. If you know what I mean. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Joe Woo]Hello,

Is anyone going to be in HCM during late October?[/QUOTE]Yes, I am. If you, or anyone else, wants to meet up get in touch. I'm a paid member so you should be able to send me a message.

Gentlemen, fellow mongers, thanks for your advice. I am going to have a great time.

Gangles

Are there any escort agencies in HCMC?

[QUOTE=Golf82]Are there any escort agencies in HCMC?[/QUOTE]Definately not, prostitution is illegal! RTF for details and other options.

This is probably a lesson of what NOT to do in Saigon....

Just back from a short business trip to Saigon, my third in a couple of years. Never there long enough to get into any real trouble in the past. This time, I met a girl in a massage parlor -- around 23 years old, tall, slim but perfect figure, faintly sad expression but with a smile that would melt ice, awfully pretty and would rate a 9. Works 6 days a week at the place, 10 hours a day until around midnight. Very intelligent and goes to English language school every morning. Working to send money home to parents in the countryside, Mekong Delta, and has very little leftover for herself -- so no motorbike or yuppied accessories. Totally charming and classy gal....

So I'm totally smitten, give her not only a huge tip, but also a few hundred US dollars for her parents. I'll look for her the next time I'm in Saigon and try to help out again. Good thing I live in the States and not in VN, or else I'd be in deep water.

I know, I know.....don't flame me. I just couldn't help it. I was probably doing exactly the same thing as thousands of other Western men meeting VN stunners throughout history, from the French colonialists down to the American GI's.

FW,

No need to apologize for being human. Many people do lots of things out of kindness that are very much apreciated. You're not the first or the last, was her karma that you came along. Hopefully you'll see her again and pick up where you left off.......with extras.

Dragonfly

Well, I went with them and I must say that we had a good time in Cheers. At that point we were glad to find that this place was still open since we hit APo rather late and were still thirsty. Can't remember getting overcharged on drinks but maybe we were too drunk to notice. The girl I took from there was in the usual price league.

Have fun


[QUOTE=Aozzom Mobbq]Just a heads up mates.

A group of people (big guy with bunch of girls) are in Apocalypse that try to get guys to go to their bar (Cheers) on Bui Vien Street when Apocalypse closes. Saw them talking with head manager so Apocalypse is supporting them/getting kick backs. Cheers is open all night. Went there, got over charged, offered drugs, etc. But is only place I know that is open all night. So, if you want to find a place to drink all night and don't mind the scamming.

Luck mates.[/QUOTE]

fw190
There are truly sad stories out there from girls comming from poor provinces trying to scratch out a living in a jungle like HCM city. I guess you just have to use your instint to judge who's the actress and who isn't. Whatever the case, you know you did a good thing, but please, only once in a blue moon and refrain from cleaning out your bank account.

As much as I am a greedy SOB for lust, I still carry my humanistic side. I only donate through extra tipping for good performers. More seriously, if you want to make a micro difference to the poors, buy some lottery tickets from the elderly, handicapped, and children vendors. Most of these vendors come from far away provinces. They come to the city, band together, live like sardines in rentals, make 10% out of every ticket and survive.

I give the Viet government a standing ovation for being creative in trying to get rid of most beggers. Which many richer neighboring countries could not do. The ticket costs 5,000 dong and the reward is the equivalent of 30 thous US. I buy them and give them to the door man or the staff at the hotel, a great ice breaker hence more enthusiastic services.

You know you are very naive. That is good. We, Vietnamese, have a saying :" Đừng nghe cave kể chuyện, đừng nghe con nghiện trình bày" which means do not listen to $hore or addicts under any circumstances. The girl was taking advantage of you, period. She was probably laughing her way to the bank. Beautiful massage girls make averagely $1500 a month in a country where the avaerage GDP is only $400/year. The extra few hundred dollars to her (fictitious) parents may well be spent on an orphanage, instead. My 2 cents.

Thanks, guys, for your feedback. You both are right, of course:

Silly Puppy: You're right; there are a lot of scams out there, especially in a poor country. Even while I was giving this gal some extra money, I knew in the back of my mind that maybe I was being really foolish. But what the heck, I felt that I was doing something right, and so I decided to stick with my instincts.

Columpuss: Thanks for the really great suggestion about the lottery tickets. A lot of these folks in the city are genuinely poor -- and a lot of them are families of former South Vietnamese Army soldiers who were not allowed by the new regime after 1975 to get decent jobs or even send their kids to university. They're mostly living day to day. If I can help out a little, I'd feel less guilty.

[QUOTE=Fw190]This is probably a lesson of what NOT to do in Saigon....

Just back from a short business trip to Saigon, my third in a couple of years. Never there long enough to get into any real trouble in the past. This time, I met a girl in a massage parlor -- around 23 years old, tall, slim but perfect figure, faintly sad expression but with a smile that would melt ice, awfully pretty and would rate a 9. Works 6 days a week at the place, 10 hours a day until around midnight. Very intelligent and goes to English language school every morning. Working to send money home to parents in the countryside, Mekong Delta, and has very little leftover for herself -- so no motorbike or yuppied accessories. Totally charming and classy gal....

So I'm totally smitten, give her not only a huge tip, but also a few hundred US dollars for her parents. I'll look for her the next time I'm in Saigon and try to help out again. Good thing I live in the States and not in VN, or else I'd be in deep water.

I know, I know.....don't flame me. I just couldn't help it. I was probably doing exactly the same thing as thousands of other Western men meeting VN stunners throughout history, from the French colonialists down to the American GI's.[/QUOTE]

You did something that made you feel good and that doubtless had a positive impact on her life. It's never the wrong thing to do and it's never something about which to get embarrassed.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]You did something that made you feel good and that doubtless had a positive impact on her life. It's never the wrong thing to do and it's never something about which to get embarrassed.[/QUOTE]To Fw 190,

I agree with the above 100%. when we meet a WG as you did ,anyone with an ounce of humanity left in them can easily feel that way. Particularly when they are attending school of any kind.Even easier when we think back to "relationships" we have had with "regular" materialistic WASP b-c-h-s.

Hope you can follow through.

GoodEnough

well said! it's good to see you in VN board. I miss the PIs

After a quick check on the forum, I could find any discussion of this bar, at least by name. It is just down the street from the Sheraton, on the same side, and near HBT. I had a quick beer there, and the girls were prettier than, say, the old U2, and dressed in ao dia. I sensed they catered to an Asian crowd, but I couldn't really tell. They didn't push "go to hotel" and "buy me another drink" too hard either. Anyone have the inside scoop?

Berty

I am now in Ho Chi Minh City, visiting for work until Oct 19th. Ended up at a smaller hotel (not far from the Rex) that is probably not GF, as it is a SaigonTourist facility. I have RTFF back a ways, but am still somewhat intimidated (never mongered outside the US before). Don't want to get ripped off.

If someone is here and wants to give me any personal advice, please send me a PM! I am here with my boss and a co-worker, but can usually ditch them in the afternoons/evenings if necessary.

Thanks in advance.

D51

[QUOTE=Kiwi 69]To Fw 190,

I agree with the above 100%. when we meet a WG as you did ,anyone with an ounce of humanity left in them can easily feel that way. Particularly when they are attending school of any kind.Even easier when we think back to "relationships" we have had with "regular" materialistic WASP b-c-h-s.

Hope you can follow through.[/QUOTE]Being Vietnamese and knowing some of these working girls. They go to English school for? What do you think? To tell their sob stories to horny guys. You want to be human? Go help out the other Vietnamese who don't deceive people to get what they want. I. E. Tip a waiter/tress well, give a tip to the singer at a bar, or any other honest viet that doesn't try to hussle you out of your money.

And FYI, 99% that xtra tip was used for nice cloths, a nice scooter, or expensive restaurants that they go to with their friends and their boyfriend.

There's human. And then there's mule. Don't be the latter.

[QUOTE=Ludwigvanlee]Being Vietnamese and knowing some of these working girls. They go to English school for? What do you think? To tell their sob stories to horny guys. You want to be human? Go help out the other Vietnamese who don't deceive people to get what they want. I. E. Tip a waiter/tress well, give a tip to the singer at a bar, or any other honest viet that doesn't try to hussle you out of your money.

And FYI, 99% that xtra tip was used for nice cloths, a nice scooter, or expensive restaurants that they go to with their friends and their boyfriend.

There's human. And then there's mule. Don't be the latter.[/QUOTE]


I have been back to VN many times and taken back many friends. Some have fallen for the sob stories. Everyone of these girls have a story. I am not telling you to be a dick but dont be a fool. I had a friend who we will never take back again, buy this girl a new scooter and new whole wardrobe. Go and dick around and have your fun but if you want to do humanitarian stuff..give money to the regular people.. Shoot these working girls make a lot of dough or they get fools to give them money.

My friend was fucking this broad while she was on the phone with a guy in the US that was sending her $1000 a month. A ho is a ho...

[QUOTE=Berty Russ]After a quick check on the forum, I could find any discussion of this bar, at least by name. It is just down the street from the Sheraton, on the same side, and near HBT. I had a quick beer there, and the girls were prettier than, say, the old U2, and dressed in ao dia. I sensed they catered to an Asian crowd, but I couldn't really tell. They didn't push "go to hotel" and "buy me another drink" too hard either. Anyone have the inside scoop?

Berty[/QUOTE]

Cafe Bida is otherwise known as Bar Saigon. It has a very nice selection of ladies who wear a modified Aoi Dai and a very accomodating mamasan who does her best to look after her girls and her customers. Regular rate for all night is VND1 mil but I usually buy the mama a drink whilst she makes the introductions. Many of the ladies are new and the deal is best struck with mama on the basis of payment on conclusion.

People who used to go to U2 or Bar 29, I heard recently that the girl there named Yen was killed in a motorbike accident, about a month ago I was told.

[QUOTE=Wendella]People who used to go to U2 or Bar 29, I heard recently that the girl there named Yen was killed in a motorbike accident, about a month ago I was told.[/QUOTE]


I have a number for a girl called Yen in my phone. Can't remember where I got it from. No connection to that number at present so it might well have been her.

Motorbike accidents in the wet season are a way of life in Saigon. Fortunately they rarely go fast enough to do any real damage.

I have to apologise to Berty Ross, Mackay and probably others for I have given some misleading information.

Cafe Bida is the name now adopted by the bar on Dong Khoi opposite the Grand Hotel. You go up an alley of motorbikes and upstairs to a pretty bad room which is only surpassed by the private room at the back. In 12 months I have seen one good girl there and she was hounded out by the other girls. She now works as a waitress in D11 and comes to look after me when I call.

The bar described by Berty is on Dong Do (Dong Du) about 30 m from Hai Bai Trung and has the gals in Aoi Dai as described by him and me. I know it as Bar Saigon but I should really go and check the name in daylight.

I was in the Bar Saigon on Dong Do last night. Had a business colleague in tow and he was a bit shocked by the aggression at Bar 51 so we wandered around the corner at about 10 pm and we were well primed after a few reds and some beer.

Mama was not working - they tell me she is OK but took a night off so the girls in blue are in charge and the girls in pink are offering. Actually there were a few in regular evening wear - new ones I gather.

Anyway my friend is having fun with this petite dark skinned beauty and she suddenly faints and bangs her head on the bar on the way down. They pick her up and put her on a couch and then take her out the back to look after her. They said she was OK but explained that she was trying to keep her weight down and had not eaten that day. Anexoria amongst Vietnam bar girls.

So my friend picks another and I pick a nice Cambodian - they ask for VND1.2 mil and I tell them the deal with Mama is VND1 mil and they concur. But because I was with another person I did not go into the specifics of the deal.

We go back to the hotel on Mac Thi Boui and part company. About 1am my Cambodian starts making noises about going home to look after her daughter and I tell her the deal is for all night. I was winning on this argument when there is a knock at the door and my friends gal comes in - argument lost instantly.

On reflection I must say that this is why I prefer to go hunting alone - go easy on the booze and set up an all night deal that works. I don't mind going bar hopping with the boys and having a few but I will normally then not bother with takeaway.

[No apology necessary Sudoz, although I just got an email from a third party that went on something of a wild goose chase, though no harm done. Yes, I was quoted 1 million. I think this place is something of a find compared to the high pressure joints. Are you aware of others? I sense this is because of an Asian clientele (Jap / Korean / Taiwan) although I really don't know much about these sort of cultural differences. Whatever the reason, I dig it.

Happy hunting,

Berty

Bbbj,

First, thanks for the report. I knew Vietnam would be a bad fit for you. Who doesnt prefer Bangkok when it comes whoring? Thailand is one big *****house.

Back to Soi 6.

Playsafe,

Just to let you know. I am Viet Kieu, American style.

"I don't understand the term "freebies" in this regard. Unless you're young, good looking & live there for a while, I feel either way you will have to pay. If you don't pay them with money, then you would have to shower them with gifts. Since it's shameful to be named hooker, there are girls out there who don't want to be named "hookers", but they actually have sex for monetary or material gain in a very subtle & amateur way. I have met several of them. They never name a price before the deed. After the deed, they always find a reason for needing the money such as a sick mother at the hospital or her younger brother needs money to pay for his school or some stupid reasons. Talking about money without them asking for it or before the deed, you might give them the impression that you think they're hookers. if they're the pros, you should always ask about the price before the session. If not, you will have to pay a lot more."

Impossible. Any legit girl aint going to give it up. It takes work in Vietnam unlike Thailand. I have a few legit girlfriends in Saigon, and it took me over a year to even a get kiss. Yo bbbj, bpen bpai mai dai about the freebie. She just presented herself as a good girl. Uncover ***** for sure.

Any fellow mongers going to be in HCM in late November?

Experienced mongerer here and if you want a wing man or be a wing man, let me know. Will be glad to meet up and do some mongering in Dist. 1. Maybe even get out to the suburbs and find some lower cost FS. Half the adventure is exploring.

Last yearI had good success lining up some FS for $25 USD by going about 15 minutes outside of the city. Well worth it.

I think there is a class of gal in Saigon looking for a white or obviously foreign boyfriend for long/short term encounters. What they really want is the access to cash and relative luxury compared to their daily life.

Others have told me that students at the high end (students pay fees)
universities have a zest for life but I have not had the pleasure.

Last night I had a 25 yo english student who works her parents antique shop by day. Took about 4 weeks over two visits to HCMC to get there.

I am no movie star but good manners, friendliness and patience can go a long way.

I agree with CB's comments about no freebies - they all want gifts and stuff. I usually buy the perfume sampler packs at the duty free. JLo has a pack with about 5 small bottles. They go down well.

I offered one gal VND500k in the morning because I knew she needed help with some medical expenses from an motorbike accident. She proudly turned it down and then asked me for it again later. She just did not want to be treated like a bargirl.

My opinion is that there are no freebies in vietnam. A freebie is a girl making a strategic investment.

[QUOTE=El Frances]My opinion is that there are no freebies in vietnam. A freebie is a girl making a strategic investment.[/QUOTE]


In the long run..It is cheaper to fuck, pay and leave then get the so called "freebie". Those freebies end up wanting something else. Like a cellphone, a new outfit, shoes , etc. Plus they call you all the time. Too much headaches. I rather fuck and split. If I like the girl, I just call her again.

Will be there on 1/1/08. Hope to take some photo to share with you guys.

Hi all,

I'm heading to HCMC today for the first time... have read many reports here and will be looking for some action!

Any hot tips on where to look/go as a first timer?

Is there anyone there now who might be able to show me around?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Poppasan]In the long run. It is cheaper to fuck, pay and leave then get the so called "freebie". Those freebies end up wanting something else. Like a cellphone, a new outfit, shoes, etc. Plus they call you all the time. Too much headaches. I rather fuck and split. If I like the girl, I just call her again.

Will be there on 1/1/08. Hope to take some photo to share with you guys. [/QUOTE]I agree. Freebies are free for the moment. They are always looking for more down the line just like a wife or girlfriend. Think about it. If you have a girlfriend or wife, it costs as much or more to keep her maintained with the token gifts, dinners out, movies, entertainment etc. Add up all these expenses and you will be more in the red than if you were to pay as you go. Plus you can't just kick them out when you are done. I like my privacy sometimes and a GF or wife is there to stay each night.

I found a freebie outside the caraville last year near the caraville about 6 PM one evening and took me 2 outings to get the freebie. I wasn't looking for action that early but just stumbled across her as I was sitting on the steps of the opera house working off a string of beers I had just consumed. Was too hammered to look and was enjoying all the sights from my perch. She was definitely not a SW. Just a normal gal who had a decent office job. Made a date for dinner the next night at a decent place (235K, I like fine dining) and some taxi money (30K) to send her home after the night was over with one shot. Then she started calling me to see when we can do dinner again and asked how I would be taking care of her. If I was to see her again, it would mean another dinner, perhaps a small gift and more time commitment just to keep the freebie going. Don't forget, your time is worth money as well. That is valuable time that I could be mongering for others. She definitely wanted BF status out of me and my time is valuable. Can't spend it over coffee or dinner hoping to get that freebie later. I rather pay and get a sure thing and move on to another conquest.

Freebies are not worth the investment so don't come back complaining later on with the sob stories about how you got a ball and chain on your ankle.

[QUOTE=Beachguy]I agree. Freebies are free for the moment. They are always looking for more down the line just like a wife or girlfriend. Think about it. If you have a girlfriend or wife, it costs as much or more to keep her maintained.

Freebies are not worth the investment so don't come back complaining later on with the sob stories about how you got a ball and chain on your ankle. [/QUOTE]On a Dutch forum said "The difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money generally costs less."

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Playsafe,

Just to let you know. I am Viet Kieu, American style.

"I don't understand the term "freebies" in this regard. Unless you're young, good looking & live there for a while, I feel either way you will have to pay. If you don't pay them with money, then you would have to shower them with gifts. Since it's shameful to be named hooker, there are girls out there who don't want to be named "hookers", but they actually have sex for monetary or material gain in a very subtle & amateur way. I have met several of them. They never name a price before the deed. After the deed, they always find a reason for needing the money such as a sick mother at the hospital or her younger brother needs money to pay for his school or some stupid reasons. Talking about money without them asking for it or before the deed, you might give them the impression that you think they're hookers. if they're the pros, you should always ask about the price before the session. If not, you will have to pay a lot more."

Impossible. Any legit girl aint going to give it up. It takes work in Vietnam unlike Thailand. I have a few legit girlfriends in Saigon, and it took me over a year to even a get kiss. Yo bbbj, bpen bpai mai dai about the freebie. She just presented herself as a good girl. Uncover ***** for sure.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, any legit clean non-working girl in Vietnam is as hard to get into as Fort Knox or the Federal Reserve Bank.

Any girl that gives it up quick is either a freelancer looking to seperate you from your cash the slow way, or is looking for a green card out.

I agree with all that has been said about freebies not really being free but there is a big market of gals in Saigon taking english lessons and looking to put them to good use.

About half the girls walking around D1 will respond to a 'good morning' and a smile and about half of those will give you a number or arrange to meet.

As for how long it takes for them to put out? Lets just say that these are like any other women and therefore quite variable.

I still go to my favourite bars for takeout or call over gals from before but I like to keep a couple of freebies on the burner because when you get there it is a more natural experience.

Each to his own - I like the variety and the chase is fun as well.

Actually the easiest and only true freebies in my opinion in HCMC are Western girls 25 and over who live and work here.

Admittedly some of them aren't that attractive but even the hotter ones struggle to keep a boyfriend when up against so many beautiful Vietnamese girls.

If you're reasonably presentable, it is not so hard to bang some great free western girls as in the words of a recent conquest, a lot of her friends are desperate.

Possibly the definition of freebie is worth asking.

HCMC is a really great city for those who enjoy the thrill of the hunt and if you put in the time its not hard to get a genuine girlfriend relationship.

But I don't see these girls as freebies, more as non working girls. Girls who would never directly transact money for sex. As others have written, a true traditional Vietnamese girl from a middle class family will keep her legs closed until she's married.

But the wave of new modern girls are breaking out and there are plenty of opportunities for having fun with non working girls.

But instead of exchanging money for these girls you will have to exchange time.
Then eventually, money, because at the end of the day they're female.

I agree with Sudsoz in that the convenience of pay for play is great here but so is the dating kind of thing for a change of pace.

I'm in my mid 40's and went bowling with a 23 year old genuine model and her friend, a 22 beauty pageant winner recently. Both I know through work and one I've known for about a year. Neither are working girls. If I lost I had to buy them dinner in one of HCMC's most expensive restaurants. If I won they had to both kiss me properly.

They laid out very strict condition as to the exact terms of this which was pretty funny. No hands below certain points etc. Probably the most interesting negotiation I've had this year.

I won ( only just) and it was great fun. I haven't slept with either of them but have enjoyed a good period of groping.

The minute they left I texted a pay for play girl to come over. My new conclusion, really beautiful non working girls who don't put out are great foreplay.

My total cost for the 2 models, no sex, but a lot of fun was the cost of the bowling and 2 cans of Pepsi.

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The minute they left I texted a pay for play girl to come over. My new conclusion, really beautiful non working girls who don't put out are great foreplay.

[/QUOTE]

How many times have I done that. Spot on!

[QUOTE=Parnellcat]
HCMC is a really great city for those who enjoy the thrill of the hunt and if you put in the time its not hard to get a genuine girlfriend relationship.

But I don't see these girls as freebies, more as non working girls. Girls who would never directly transact money for sex. As others have written, a true traditional Vietnamese girl from a middle class family will keep her legs closed until she's married.

But the wave of new modern girls are breaking out and there are plenty of opportunities for having fun with non working girls.

But instead of exchanging money for these girls you will have to exchange time.
Then eventually, money, because at the end of the day they're female.

I agree with Sudsoz in that the convenience of pay for play is great here but so is the dating kind of thing for a change of pace.

I'm in my mid 40's and went bowling with a 23 year old genuine model and her friend, a 22 beauty pageant winner recently. Both I know through work and one I've known for about a year. Neither are working girls. If I lost I had to buy them dinner in one of HCMC's most expensive restaurants. If I won they had to both kiss me properly.

They laid out very strict condition as to the exact terms of this which was pretty funny. No hands below certain points etc. Probably the most interesting negotiation I've had this year.

I won ( only just) and it was great fun. I haven't slept with either of them but have enjoyed a good period of groping.

The minute they left I texted a pay for play girl to come over. My new conclusion, really beautiful non working girls who don't put out are great foreplay.

My total cost for the 2 models, no sex, but a lot of fun was the cost of the bowling and 2 cans of Pepsi.

[/QUOTE]

3 weeks ago, my "freebie" came over to Bangkok during her few days break from work and I took her to my pad in P for a few days of relaxation and helped her get sexually satisfied during that break. Admitedly, she is no young spring chicken but definitely a non WL as she has a regular job with a good company and a very decent salary close to US$1k .

Yesterday, my 24 yr old virgin receptionist girl came over and I groped her and was teaching her how to KISS. Managed to get her bra off and rolled up her shirt to kiss them too!

Yeps, she would not let me get beyond that and she said she could not spend the night as her country cousin uncle who she boards with would report her absence overnight to her home town!

Well, she is coming over again today and I will try to initiate her on the "joys of more groping".

My costs? Dunno yet but if I get "home" it would certainly be HUGE based on my personal experiences!

Well, the virgin would not "learn" so I ended up going to a smallish out of centre Hot Toc where my local friend said groping & a good BJ was available for all of a total of 150k dongs. Why not I thought.

Turned out, the girls would not do BJs, only HJs. Given my overloaded blue balls and a pretty thing with a very wet "P", I let it all flow out soon enough!

Evening, I thought I finally check out some of the night joints and the given opnion was that AN was full of CMIs oldies so, I gave that a miss.

Made a quick late romp through Volcano, X and finally Gossip and my take is that Sat night is not a good night to go out hunting. The whole horny crowd of Saigon is on the town besides all the monied people. The competition is too intense.

At my final stop Gossip, those who propositioned me were "not my type" and, the "eye candy" working behind the bar made it "impossible" for me to want one of those prowling at the bar. Sure, there were a couple of them that were just OK & available.

At 1 million dongs, I was not motivated despite the fact that I know a good Viet romp in the bed is GOOD.

My last stop was the Chinese late night place at Nguyen Trai where all of Saigon's players end up somehow and some of the dates of the late night revellers were simply delicious to the eye!

Along the street on my slow walk to the hotel along Ty TU Trung, quite a few motorcycle girls were patrolling and if I had more than a couple of beers, they might have moved up the scale from and average 2-4.5 that I saw. A few sat resting at the sidewalk "cafes" operating at that hour sussing up lonely people walking by like me.

Yes, Saigon has more than meets the eye. You need good local knowledge and the willingness to venture out beyond the norm. The many girls working in normal jobs looking for a better "purse" are there for the taking if you have time and money. Expats based here surely do very well.

If time permits, I would return and then, I would set up dates before arriving. P4P is readily available if you are not fussy provided you know where to look.

In a follow up to the model and beauty pageant girl story, beauty pageant girl was in another pageant and invited me and model girl along as her official guests because it wasn't in HCMC so out of range for the family.

So this mean't a plane trip and staying in a hotel for a weekend but separate rooms etc.

The hotel was full of the other beauty pageant girls and I was the only westerner.
So obviously the fox amongst the chickens, and instead of expecting the other chaperones to be guarding their flocks it was quite the opposite as they adopted the Vietnamese approach of all inviting me into their families and meeting the girls.
Speaking a reasonable amount of Vietnamese critical in this situation as they are always excited to talk to a foreigner in their own language and most of them don't speak any English.

Managed another phone number.

Which caused me a bit of grief with my 2 girls but also a bit more attention from them. Nothing like a bit of competition , I say.

My opinion about the beauty pageant is these girls look much better before the pageant, natural, as opposed to buried under a ton of hairspray and makeup.
Beauty pageant girl didn't win but was in the top 3 and won by Vietnamese standards an ok amount of money so she was pretty happy.

So we celebrated in the hotel room but just the same rules as before, slightly more and longer groping and rolling around on a bed watching a movie etc..

There's no question these girls wouldn't look twice at me in any western country and the great thing about Vietnam is even a mid 40's guy can get amongst them. But the only way either of these girls is going to go the whole way is once there is a ring on their finger.

But then stuck with a dilemma as unbelievably horny but not on my home turf and obviously couldn't take a girl back to the hotel.

So had to sneak out after a good 3 hours of frisky groping and genunely passionate kissing , find a Honda om to some dodgy place where I set a new world record in releasing a load during a blowjob to some girl I could hardly see because the place was so dark.

Cost of BJ: 300,000 Vnd. ( $19 US).
Mongering at it's best.

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Sorry Parnellcat, but I can get blue balls here in the U.S. - I don't need to travel to Vietnam for the privilege. I will admit that once you were there, you paid less to NOT get laid than I generally do here, but I'd still rather dispense with the exercise in it's entirety, and find a proper GFE P4P provider right from the get go.

So had to sneak out after a good 3 hours of frisky groping and genunely passionate kissing , find a Honda om to some dodgy place where I set a new world record in releasing a load during a blowjob to some girl I could hardly see because the place was so dark.

Cost of BJ: 300,000 Vnd. ( $19 US).
Mongering at it's best.

Being it so dark..I hope they didnt pull a fast one on you. lol.

I hope it was a girl.

Thanks for your concern, but definitely a girl. The room where you choose them wasn't so dark, a typical karoke type set up. But the room for the action was like a chair in a room not much larger than a broom closet where the girl kneals down between your legs and goes for it.

This kind of thing is quite common in Vietnam where you ask for on premise services and they say no.

Then you say ' surely there must be somewhere' and you're led to what I call 'the dodgy chair room. '

Viet girls are pretty good at the BJ and if there was a world championship BJ competition I'm sure they'd do ok. Although they'd probably score more for enthusiasm than technique.

The latin girls seem to be pretty good in that department as well.

Wow,

Ho Chi Minh was a blast. We did all the tourist crap and ended up at Apocalypse Now every night. We started at Saigon Saigon bar on top of the Caravelle hotel. We befriended the bar tender and he made great drinks. We also went to the lounge at the Park Hyatt and had cocktails. Nice lounge singer, high end with great piano. Drinks here are fantastic also. We went to Q-bar, nice trendy place. Knocked back a few shots here. It is nice to check out some of the hotties looking for Western men. We ate at some really fun places. Lemongrass was Vietnamese, nice place and had a homey feeling. We ordered 3 meals for each person and shared them all. The Sushi Bar was a great place for sushi. We had Uni, Unagi, Ikura, Toro, Ibi and Masago. All was super fresh and really cheap. 12 beers, 3 bottles of Sake and lots of sushi $99, nice deal.

Now we were drunk every night and went to Apocalypse Now. I know we were the hunted here. This is a regular bar with some working women (sort of). We met a mini mamasan. She would direct us to all the working women. Back by the pool table is where most of the action in the pay for arena takes place. We would pull 3 girls from here and head for a late nigh place named Allez Boo. This place is in the Pham Ngu Loa backpacker area; however it is full of girls working and wanting to be worked. They sell food, have cheap drinks and stay open until you stop drinking. The girls we had cost $100 per night, that was all night and as many hits as we wanted. I know it seems high but we had a different budget. We stayed at a hotel named Liberty 4 Que Hong $75 per night. We had girls in the room every night and it was no problem. We arrived at the hotel around 4-6 am. Girls we permitted and we were not charged for them staying in the room.

In closing, the pussy, drinks and food were good; the traffic was a mother f#cker. Had a great time and would go back again soon. Peace out

I will be getting Ho Chi Min November 28th solo and would love to have a wingman!

PM me your email.

Some one early has 2 girls at same time?

Curious, what is it like during Christmas and New Year's in Ho Chi Minh? Is it any different or just status quo? Or do people leave the big city to go back to their families during this time? I am thinking about coming around that time, but want to have fun. If there is an exodus out of the city it might not be a good time for me to go then. Is New Year's Eve anything special, celebration wise here?

[QUOTE=Key Master]Curious, what is it like during Christmas and New Year's in Ho Chi Minh? Is it any different or just status quo? Or do people leave the big city to go back to their families during this time? I am thinking about coming around that time, but want to have fun. If there is an exodus out of the city it might not be a good time for me to go then. Is New Year's Eve anything special, celebration wise here?[/QUOTE]

The Christmas period is a shopping spree as per everywhere but no special deal for nightlife. Never been there for New year.

The big celebration is TET (Chinese New Year) when people go home to family and those that are around party heard in the street. Some restaurants and stuff close for 3-4 days.

Saigon is packed and crazy fun from mid Dec through Chinese new year's eve which is about early Feb. Most are not Catholic and see Christmas and Western new year as the same even so they go out. Added to that many Viets abroad come home, especially single guys, taking advantage of the short holidays merging with their vacation time. Expect elbowing and competing for goods. It is actually the best time to be in VN to party, very festive atmosphere.

Will be in HCMC 11/21 - 11/24. Anyone want to meet up for beers and hunting PM me. The first couple are on me.

Hi guys,

Long time lurker first time poster. I was in HCM a few months back and noticed that the massage parlour at Vien Dong hotel was gone. Anybody knows what happened to it or where it moved to? I'm looking for a similar massage place around the same vicinity for my upcoming trip, any suggestions?

Thanks guys

Anyone know a good cab driver that speaks good English?

PM if you can.

Thanks

Hi, I've been reading this board for months now since I bought my ticket (along with my parents) in July. I am a American-born Viet who is traveling to the mother country for the first time in his life. Although not entirely fluent in the language, I can speak enough to survive. I will be in Vietnam from Dec 11-Jan 4 and will be traveling all around the country. Can anyone help me with the basic survival guide to Vietnam? My mongering experience has only been limited to TJ. I want to have the time of my life with both working/civilian gals. Obviously discretion is necessary since I'm traveling with family rather than friends. What are some of the must-do's and must-not that will keep my safe and happy? What are some of the bars/sites that I should visit? How do I keep my money/passport, etc? Are there any good maps that shows all the sites? I have read enough to get an idea but still, I prefer a rudiment so I can avoid trouble. Thanks

I was here a year ago and things have changed in D1 area. Outside caraville and Independant palace used to be lots of drive by's. Now a majority are ladyboys. I was out last few nights trolling and one after another ladyboy kept coming up. Even some local motor bike drivers hanging around the corners shake their head in agreement.

Beware, they try to lure you to their place for quick action but you will get robbed. Anyone know if outside the zoo is still worth it?

HA Bai Truong bars still have some decent ones if you hunt.

Hey, I was in HCMC back in August 04 and found street-walkers outside the US Consulate and I took them to my hotel (Sofitel) a few minutes walk from there.

I'm looking for a similar arrangement this time too, but I'm in Windsor Plaza, 18 An Doung Vuong Street in District 5. What are my chances?

I'm really not into a long drive to Apo & other places in District 1.

Anyone?

A good taxi driver in HMC Ph 0908198610 Saigon Taxi number 48 His name is Vict. Took me round HMC and down to Canto. Nice guy who will give you a good deal.

[QUOTE=Stubaby 2]A good taxi driver in HMC Ph 0908198610 Saigon Taxi number 48 His name is Vict. Took me round HMC and down to Canto. Nice guy who will give you a good deal.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, will check him out.

Hi,

I hope someone can help me. Next week, I will be visiting to Ho Chi Minh for the 1st time and has booked Metropole Hotel.

Can anyone let me know whether there are any happening places nearby this hotel ? Does this hotel allow me to bring back lady for over night? What is the market rate to pay a lady to overnight with me?

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust]Hey, I was in HCMC back in August 04 and found street-walkers outside the US Consulate and I took them to my hotel (Sofitel) a few minutes walk from there.[/QUOTE]Don't mean any disrespect here (me being newbie here but i have been in HCMC for a while). Is it possible to bring in gals to stay at Sofitel? I thought they were pretty strict about it.

[QUOTE=Darthmaus88]Don't mean any disrespect here (me being newbie here but i have been in HCMC for a while). Is it possible to bring in gals to stay at Sofitel? I thought they were pretty strict about it.[/QUOTE]

At Sofitel they let them in early in the evening and based on my visits there if they are well dressed you could probably take them to the first floor restaurant and slip them out to the elevator from there.

But you are right - lots of hassle.

I used to call him pretty often until my company employed a driver for me. His english is below par but he is a decent and friendly guy. Helps if you know some vietnamese to converse with him. Name: Tri (Mobile: [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue])

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I just returned from a 3 week stay and had mixed results in different cities. But in Dist #1 Mini Hotel the room service was excellent. 500K for an hour 100USD all night. Acouple of breathtaking beauties were had. Another guest told me he had one sent and opened the door to see a 4 or 5 and sent her packing. 5 mins later another one more to his liking arrived. One girl had the biggest tits of any Viet Hunnie I've seen. Face a 6 but body and 8.5, great BBBJ but CIM is off the menu in VN everywhere I went. Must be the Govt. Education on Aids The new trick also seems to be asking for Taxi money after the fact but I didn't give in to this ploy. All in all this was my best money spent. Some may say abit high for ST but it's in your room with preconditions, price and time set. All girls asked if I approved of her before they made the call and the front desk checked back with me when the girls left. YMMV but for someone like me who doesn't like the bar scene this was great. Also some FL cruising the Ben Thanh Outdoor Dinner places but not up to the quality of the ones I had at the hotel. Not all hotels provide this service because I stayed at one on Nguyen Trai st. and had no luck but the funny thing was there were 2 working girls staying in the room next to me, real stunners, down from HaNoi I was told, who were running night and day at all hours.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22] Nguyen Trai st. and had no luck but the funny thing was there were 2 working girls staying in the room next to me, real stunners, down from HaNoi I was told, who were running night and day at all hours.[/QUOTE]Hi Dragonfly,

I'm Pici Picidae[*] can you contact me please over Privat Message system is about the Ha Noi Stunners in Nguyen Thai.

Kind regards

Pici Picidae

Pici,

seems your pm function is not working correctly.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]But in Dist #1 Mini Hotel the room service was excellent.... Not all hotels provide this service because I stayed at one on Nguyen Trai st. and had no luck but the funny thing was there were 2 working girls staying in the room next to me, real stunners, down from HaNoi I was told, who were running night and day at all hours.[/QUOTE]Hi Dragonfly,

Does this mean you stayed at the Hotel named Mini Hotel or just at one of those Mini Hotels? This service means you just ask the recption for referrals who shhow up - sounds cool.

Hey bro. I am also vietnamese and was born in the US. I am traveling with my family to vietnam around the timeframe you're there. I will be arriving in saigon a week after you. I'm not sure if you're still going to be in the area. However, if you are. We should hit up the bars/clubs and look for some girls. My email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]. If anyone read this and would like to hook up to look for some girls. Email me.

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Gentlemen,

I am holding a European Union passport. Can someone, please, advise if a visa is required to enter Vietnam and if so can I get it upon arrival at the airport or do I have to get it through a consulate of theirs well in advance?

Furthermore does someone knows how long does a bus ride takes from Pnom Penh to Ho Chi Minh city?

Thanks in advance

El Greco

[QUOTE=El Greco]Gentlemen,

I am holding a European Union passport. Can someone, please, advise if a visa is required to enter Vietnam

El Greco[/QUOTE]El Greco,

Yes you need a visa to enter Vietnam. Also, don't rock up to the border and expect a visa to be issued - advance arrangements have to be made. The best thing to do is get a visa issued at the embassy in PP or arrange through a PP travel agent to get one at the border.

I've heard the bus takes about 7 hours.

Greco
Just let your local travel people do it for you, no one do this on their own.
From SG to PP is around 7-8 hours

Thank you guys. Got the message about visa.

I was thinking of flying to SGN from BKK and passing over to PNH by bus but 7-8 hrs is too much for me.

Air Asia and Thai Airways do not seem to operate from SGN to PNH can you please suggest some other regional airline?

Thanks again

El Greco

Vietnam Airlines goes to PP

My suggestion is going strait to PP for mongering. There are plenty of Viet girls working there if you are into them. There you can have the best of both world, viet and cam girls. Vietnam is more strict with prostitution, cost much more for a girl than PP, most hotels are not girl friendly. Most foreign guys come to Vietnam for business and monger on the side. It is not a good country for the hobby. You are welcome to pm me for details

Dear All,

Anyone in Saigon that I can be friend with. Will land at Saigon on 31 Dec and leaving on 1 Jan. Need a local guy to guide me to some entertainment stuff in HCMC. Pls reply he or email to my yahoo.com with the same name.

TQ

Hi folk, here is my first report of HCMC, hope you will enjoy!

First night

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Arrived yesterday night from HK with a friend, passed trough all custom formalities and within one hour we were in town ready for some action.

I did my hw, RTFF and walked straight to Apocalipse. During the walk I have to admit I was a bit puzzled, been living for almost three years in Asia (Shanghai) with some mongering experience in several other countries in APAC I found the city very quiet, not to say "dead".

Found Apo after a little and, wow, what a life inside. Ordered couple of beers and than started talking with a cutie, well, actually she started talking to me, asking in the sequence 1) name, 2) nationality 3) in which hotel I stayed ^_^ Lovely approach.

Anyway was not in the right mood, little sleep the night before, so after some talk I decided to go to bed for a good sleep. My friend had more energy to spare and so wend for a ride with a beautiful viet. Little english but she had all the right stuff to convince him. He paid the hotel front desk (320K) and, after they had a good session, she asked him 800K for herself. First mistake, never go without having negotiate before, anyway, even if not the cheapest, the amount seemed fair. The funny part followed. My friend (first experience in Asia a no former mongering experience) had no all the $$ dong required and offered her to pay a part in HK$. They started discussing about the right amount of the balance until they got into the cab and than the taxi driver joined the discussion too! Second mistake, never go mongering without enough bucks of the local currency. They eventually settled down to an higher amount, but my friend wanted to go home and thought the final amount after all was not that much. The lady at that point insisted to go her home to have a coffee and, despite his insistence to stop, the taxi driver took them to her home, far away from the city center so he found then himself lost in the middle of nowhere. Third mistake, had to quit the taxi much earlier, after the deed!
He than at that point followed her and they had a good coffee indeed, with all her family and the taxi driver joining the party! He was just too worried not to laugh about the funny scene ^_^

Eventually the taxi driver took him back to the hotel, than my friend realised that the meter had been running the all night long, reporting the ridiculous amount of 870K!

Yes I know, my friend had been naive, not to use a more appropriate adjective, anyway eventually that was another lesson he learned that night: everybody here is trying to get money out of you so one must be careful about all these tricks and always follow the golden rule of don't trust anybody but yourself (and sometime doubt about him too).

The day after I scolded him than promised to go mongering together the night after.

Second night
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Went out together after a day spent discovering the city. Decided to have a good massage before dinner, maybe with an happy end. Looked for Sacha, having found some good reports about it but wasn't able to find the address in this forum, so went for Yawara in Dong do (Du). Price asked was 160K for 1 hour massage, paid upfront, went upstairs than a nice 24 yo Viet took me inside a small cubicle, a bit crampy but still ok. Started a nice massage on my back while speaking a decent english and, to my surprise, some chinese! He he, so strange so far from "home". Her attitude vas very friendly and the talk was quite funny. Massage on the back lasted about 20/25 mins, quite nice have to admit, than she asked me to turn back. After few minutes she started touching the right parts and my response was quite evident. She smiled, she asked "massage there?" and, before I could reply, she put my hand on her tits pulling up the t-shirt at the same time. Could I refuse?

Started negotiating, she offered HJ for 70USD, we settled for HJ+BBBJ for 500KD. Have to say the BBBJ was very poor, especially when comparing to what I have as "standard" in Shanghai (fire+ice for 20USD) but her manual skill was very good. After my download I met my friend outside ready to go for a nice dinner. I than discovered that Sachi was on the same street, Dong Du, just opposite side, close to NY Saigon bar. Never mind, will try tomorrow.

Tried than 51 and 49 gogo bars on Hai Ba Trung. In the 51 two nice girls immediately joined us as we stepped in. Played pool, bought some drinks for us and the girls, then cuddles, touchings, kisses all the time. Both very GFE. Ladies asked several times to go to the hotel, 1 Mil Dong the request. But the night was just started so didn't want to go to bed so early, even if in good company. We declined, tipped the ladies 100K (I know, too much, but their attitude put me in a good mood), paid the bill (4 beers and 6 lady drinks 325K, not so bad) then moved next door, in 49.

Here the experience was completely the opposite. Two very young girls joined us, very cute but cold and detached. In particular mine, no smiles, very mechanical attitude, played pool with no enthusiasm so we decided to leave immediately. I gave her no tip despite her insistence, sorry, I could tip for a nice smile even if no other extras are included, but cannot tip if I feel uncomfortable.

Decided to recover the right mood so went to NY Saigon. Found it very warm, after a while we were talking and joking with the mamasan, the young stunner behind the desk and the two beautiful ladies on our sides. So far the best experience, despite they didn't promote any extra or offered to follow us to the hotel. Paid, tipped them than went for a walk.

We were approached than by a scooter wit a boy and a nice girl, he offered 600K for a ST including the hotel (nearby) and the possibility to choose the ladies. We accepted. Then we walked less than 1 minute and the lady on the scooter was chosen by my friend while another scooter with a very petite Viet arrived. Deal was done. Paid him 300K (I never pay the full amount before the service is done), went upstairs, had a shower together, no talks (her english was non existent) but her attitude was very nice. Discovered she was just 19, but she showed a certain level of appreciable experience. Happy, went down and paid the balance. Tipped her 100K. My friend unfortunately had a bad experience again (yes, again!). Nice bonk, she was fluent in english and very funny, but she refused to have a shower together at the end of the session and my friend left his pocket in the trousers in the room while showering. Sadly he discovered when he went downstairs that 400K were missing.
So again, another warning to everybody that could be in a similar situation: NEVER leave your pocket unattended if the girl is in the room out of your sight, this thing happens rarely but you may never know..

Sorry for this long post but since I benefit a lot from other's reports I wanted to contribute a bit with my experience.

Happy (and safe) mongering!

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Nice report g69

After being in SG so many times and reading many posts, this is the first time I read that the city is dead. I often hear complaints how noisy and crowded it is. Added to that, the Viets are often overdose themselves every morning with French roast, the dose would embarass any starbuck drinkers, hence the upbeat atmosphere you feel in the city.

Went along Pham Ngu Lao and saw a lot of beauties ... but all no pro's!

Passed by Allez Boos, Saigon Bar and many other places (at around 10 pm) and saw some girls looking like pro's but didn't investigate further!

Instead went to the corner of Pham Ngu Lao and Ngyen Thai Hoc and was approached by motorbike drivers who offered me girls. They started calling on their mobiles and soon after that a girl showed up .. but she was only a 5-6 in my opinion and I refused. So one of the drivers took me on his motorbike along the adjacent park and there were some motorbikes with a guy (= pimp) in the front and a girl in the back. Saw a good looking one (20 yo) and we closed the deal. With both motorbikes we then went to a hotel on Pham Ngu Lao.

Cost: hotel 100.000 VND, girl 400.000 VND

Action: disappointing, since the girl was very rough and not friendly anymore. She gave me a BBBJ but it was hard to get turned on. After a while I was hard and I penetrated her but had problems to come. I conentrated hard and after 10 minutes I blew my load since I was feeling not comfortable and wanted to finish this as soon as possible.

She was also very reluctant for any kind of photos, so I only took a few.

Conclusion: the best experiences during my Vietnam trip I made in Hanoi and in Nha Trang (see my reports in the forums)!

Cheers!

Hi guys,

Will be in HCM from 14 Jan for 1 week. Would appreciate if anyone has local contacts (e.g. taxi drivers) to bring me around the happenning spots would be deeply appreciated. I'm sorry I can't receive PM as i did not subscribe to the forum.

Cheers!!

Hope

search the thread back. I remember couple of phone # given out

For those of you in Vung Tau: 100, 000 VND blow jobs can be had at the 3 or 4 little beauty parlors around 568 Le Loi street. You will see the girls sitting at the entrance. No words need be spoken, no prices discussed, this is all these chicks do, standard routine. As you walk in they will guide you to the massage bed at the back of the place. Your shorts will be slid down, she'll start blowing you. She will slide down her pants so you can fondle her pussy and usually pull up her shirt to expose her tits.

Hey there guys,

I will arrive in hcmc in April for a 3 week go wherever look in VN. Visited there last May for 4 days with a mate and tackled it fairly blindly. Which area would you recommend in hcmc for a solo traveller to book a hotel & do a bit of scouting of the action. Around the Dong Khoi area or Pham Ngu Lao?

[QUOTE=Seamanship]For those of you in Vung Tau: 100, 000 VND blow jobs can be had at the 3 or 4 little beauty parlors around 568 Le Loi street. You will see the girls sitting at the entrance. No words need be spoken, no prices discussed, this is all these chicks do, standard routine. As you walk in they will guide you to the massage bed at the back of the place. Your shorts will be slid down, she'll start blowing you. She will slide down her pants so you can fondle her pussy and usually pull up her shirt to expose her tits.[/QUOTE]

This is good to know. How about FS?

Can we put this report into the Other Areas thread as well?

[quote=sudsoz]this is good to know. how about fs?

can we put this report into the other areas thread as well?[/quote]fs can't be expected, however it does occur occasionally depending on the girl, just a little extra service along with the basic blow job. and in my experience it wasn't for any extra charge. however, the chicks won't completly strip, seems like both your and her pants can't go down lower than the knees; its like you need to be ready to reclothes yourself in an instant if there is a raid or something. the chicks are all a little nervous always peering out at the doorway.

go ahead and post this in the other areas thread, it just seems like most of the vung tau stuff is in the ho chi minh section.

Where exactly is Vung Tao?