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Hi,

Going to visit SP between Nov 17-22 and need to organise a trustworthy and reliable apartment.

Can anybody suggest me a good source as time is almost finished.

Advice on gdps, scorts (prefer loiras) will be appreciated (can PM me).

Also can meet with who have some time to hang around.

See you in SP

Hi,

I need advice - my plane lands (GRU) at 7:45AM and the next one leaves at 1:15 PM.

Are there any options possible ? sightseeing, quick fuck?

Thanks in advance

I arrive Sunday morning. Will all of the hubub surround F1 have died? It looks like there are mainly just ceremonies and stuff on Sunday. I can't imagine traffic being worse in SP.

Well. Basically F1 has fucked this weekend up. Yes, lots and lots of traffic and the gdp's have raised their prices. Quite a few girls from outside SP are in working the city.

[QUOTE=Easy Lover222]Hi,

I need advice - my plane lands (GRU) at 7:45AM and the next one leaves at 1:15 PM.

Are there any options possible ? sightseeing, quick fuck?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

First, no sightseeing. There is not much to see, anyway, but certainly not in that amount of time.

If you're on-time, you'll be able to leave the airport around 8:30 and will need to return by 12:00. Even in the city, most of the massage places don't open until noon or later. If you are really dying to gets your rocks off (a noble desire), I think you would need to set it up in advance:

1. Check GPGUIA dot net for escorts. Do a search for Garrulhos.
2. Make contact with the girl ahead of time and see if she could work you in around 10:00.
3. Most of these are outcall girls. Fortunately, there are a good number of drive-in motels around Garrulhos.
4. From the airport, take the Marriott van. That will save you half the taxi fare to the motels.
5. From the motel when you are done, get a taxi to the Ceasar Park hotel, and take the shuttle back.

Price for the experience:

-RT taxi roughly 30R
-garota 200r
-motel 40r

Good luck!

Never been to Kilt. What is the "dress" code to blend in and not stand out as the last gringo off the plane?

Thanks

Hi all,

Could anybody who knows well aroun can recommend a nice GF meium class hotel at Moema area!

Thanks a lot,

Samy69

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal]Never been to Kilt. What is the "dress" code to blend in and not stand out as the last gringo off the plane?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Dress casual and tou will be' ok

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal]Well. Basically F1 has fucked this weekend up. Yes, lots and lots of traffic and the gdp's have raised their prices. Quite a few girls from outside SP are in working the city.[/QUOTE]
F1 comes once a year and brings mone to the City.
I had a nice special party (report to follo soon) but prices were standard. Obviously if one goes to Cafe Photo will get some inflated prices (heard of 500) but that is pretty much normal.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]F1 comes once a year and brings mone to the City.

I had a nice special party (report to follo soon) but prices were standard. Obviously if one goes to Cafe Photo will get some inflated prices (heard of 500) but that is pretty much normal.[/QUOTE]Can't wait to see your report. Also, the auto show is in town. Thanks for the info on Kilt. I'll probably head over there tonite. I'm assuming a good time is about 11pm?

Well, after a fun day with an amiga here in Sao Paulo, my buddy wanted to check out KILT, My Love, and Cassarao at night (Saturday).

We went out to dinner, bumped into some friends, had a couple drinks and before you know it, it was about midnight.

Sooooo ... I said to my buddy, let's check out Casarao on Ave Augusta.
Man am I glad we did!!

It was a bit crowded with guys but not as bad as I've seen.
As soon as we walked in, I saw some beautiful and sexy garotas.
Of course there were your average looking garotas walking about, but some real beauties as well.

I was sitting at the back bar, having a cerveja, watching this hot, sexy girl as she was talking with this other guy.
She looked over at me, smiled and after about 10 minutes came up to me and said, "eu conheco voce" (I know you).
I thought she was BShttn me until she said my name and then reminded me that I had met her there in the club about 9 months ago.
I remembered her, but since she doesn't work very often, and I hadn't seen her in a while, I just forgot.
She said she remebered that I was 'muito carinhoso' (loving) and that she liked that, unlike the young Brasileiros.

Anyway, I ordered my second cerveja, the one that comes with the 10R entrance charge (nice ehhh), gave it to her and we went back to a bench to sit together, snuggle up a bit and flirt.
She never bugged me to buy her an expensive girly drink, she was happy with the cerveja ... good sign.
Though I had been taken care of during the day and really wasn't looking for 'fun' this evening when I entered the boate, she was really getting me riled up. She's 20 and very sexy. I loved the way she was treating me.

When she asked if we were going to 'fazer amor' (make love), I said of course, however, I had a little problem, I only had 100R left in my wallet because I wasn't expecting to do anything that night.
She said the minimum a garota can charge there is 100R plus 25R for the room for about 45 minutes.
I told her, tudo bom, just give me your cel number and we could meet up another time at my place, then she said, espera (wait), she would go ask the management if 100R total would be OK.
To my surprise and delight, she came back and said, yes, If I was paying cash, that would be OK.

We had to wait about 30-40 minutes for an available roon due to the crowd and busy night, but it was well worth the wait.
Total GFE!!
One of the best kissers ever and with passion.
We actually got over an hour in the room together.
When the buzzer sounded after 45 minutes, she just kept going and then cuddled a bit.

Needless to say, I got her number and we'll be getting together later this week.
I actually felt guilty for not having any more money to give her a little tip,
but she was content and happy and I told her that I had some Victoria Secret gifts for her when we meet up again.
She smiled.

On a side note, as I was getting ready to leave the boate, I saw this absolutely beautiful young blonde garota, she turned out be 19 years old.
She had a face of an angel and a nice body, beautiful.

I was beat but just had to say hello.
She said was sweet and she said it was her first night there working.
Man, if I just had the energy and the Reais I would have loved some time with her, however, I told her I just couldn't this particular evening, but pleaaaaase give me your cel number and that I would surely call her.
She gave me the sweet smile and a 'tudo bem' and her number.

Let me tell you. You just do not need to break the bank in SP to find quality garotas.
A little patience maybe, but there are some nice quality garotas out there to be had for OK prices.

Boa sorte!!

Great report Ricker.

I went to the Auto show today. Place was wall to wall people with lots of families of course. Was able to chat up one of the "2nd tier" models closer to the back of the hall. Had to work a bit harder since they all seem to be about fed up with the show, standing on their feet for 10+ hours in high heels and, as one girl put it, "assholes". LOL. Was able to get a decent conversation going and got her number with the promise of a nice dinner and wine. Will file a report if anything worth reporting happens.

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal]Can't wait to see your report. Also, the auto show is in town. Thanks for the info on Kilt. I'll probably head over there tonite. I'm assuming a good time is about 11pm?[/QUOTE]
report wont be on before 10 days.... as later today have a repeat :) and then flying out to a country non ISF friendly!

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal]Great report Ricker.

I went to the Auto show today. Place was wall to wall people with lots of families of course. Was able to chat up one of the "2nd tier" models closer to the back of the hall. Had to work a bit harder since they all seem to be about fed up with the show, standing on their feet for 10+ hours in high heels and, as one girl put it, "assholes". LOL. Was able to get a decent conversation going and got her number with the promise of a nice dinner and wine. Will file a report if anything worth reporting happens.[/QUOTE]lots of the "modelo" are also GdP, Garota de Programa....:) so just be alerted, might have to pay an extra, but at least you had the chance to them in real and not in photoshopped images, lol

Have my hotel in Moema area.

Where do you recommend ? I am not looking for hi-end or low-end but with nice garotas and good service?

Does anybody have a telephone number for a English Speaking taxi driver or tour guide near the airport?

[QUOTE=Samy69]Have my hotel in Moema area.

Where do you recommend ? I am not looking for hi-end or low-end but with nice garotas and good service?[/QUOTE]
..clinicas...
or..search for a Garota de Programa who lives nearby and receives at home
They are not expensive
Only question mark is the difference between the picture on the web and reality

Time ago I was checking here for the ideal motel in twon to host a bit of a party, or festinha as they say here.
Well it then all happened with my local wingman some days ago.
He searched on a local forum and decided to pick up one GdP who eventually put together other two girls for a 2+3 party.
The girls recommended we meet at Lido Plaza hotel (a real mongering venue, where couples, or more, go in and out like in a subway station, unbelievable)
So at the given time and day we meet Amanda Francine, Kakau Tulle and Iris Liesse (you can google and will know all about them through their blogs and different reports in the web)

We booked a suite called Cabaret (with pole dance pole!) with a superking bed, massive: can accomodate 7-8 people! got the message of what can happen there?
A huge hydro massage tub good for 4-5 people, double shower area.

Some of the girls knew each other as they had done 'dupla' already together.

It did not take much to Francine to get to know Kakau more intimately, anyhow, as she started to play with her pusys with tongue and then with a dildo (Amanda comes around with a good set of toys and creams, just in case...)
Kakau was keeping myself busy with great DFK (she is super on this, she can kiss for hours) and played with her hands on me
Iris was busy with my friend.

At some point they both went down on me and it ewas amazing to see how Amanda, a bit chubby and fully shaved with D cup natural tits, enjoys sucking.
Asking me, like in a PSE, to watch her sucking me!
Had to ask them to stop and take a break or..the party, part #1, would have ended soon!, lol
They obliged and went to play each other.
The super king sizes accomodates all sort of plays and positions
DATY was widely available
We went on for an hour so till everybody was happy, girls included. I enjoyed a nice BBBJ nearly to completion as toward "the end" I was covered and iris did a reverse cowgirl: it (or, better, I) didn't last long! LOL

Renting the suit grants also free food from the menu and the girls ordered food for all.
It arrived in some 20 minutes (spent in the jacuzzi playing around) through a hidden compartment you can open from the inside of the room (accessible from the corridor)
So the delivery is totally discrete (if not, go imagine what those waiter would see!)

While I was in the jacuzzi with Kakau and Iris, Amanda worked on my friend leaving no space to imagination: she likes everything and does everything
Games were soon resumed and I had a mission: bring the big "O" to a WG!
Mission accomplished, orally, with Kakau as i thought she loves oral! Indeed!
When it was her moment she grabbed the arm of my friend laying aside her (busy in a DFK with Iris) and her fingers nailed communciated to him she realle was coming, no fake moaning or action!
I was not left alone in this as Amanda went down on me at the back and performed a wide tongue action leaving no area unattended "down there" and expanding in some prostrate massage, that is never bad in some circumstances

We also had nice chats on customer preferences (Amanda was on her 6th round that day, at 7pm, but did not seem having had enough) and one more was lined up aftger us (we booked her until 11pm) for a whole night with another customer.
Interesting to hear what they like, what the customers like and how much they are keep to please customers.

Nearly all is in the menu, but anal and vaginal is covered.
BBBJ can be to completion and CIM, but it is up to the girl to accept that, depending on how the customer is nice and clean (a must for them!)
W ealso chated aboiut the top of the GdP they know: a certain Khris Oriental (no pivtures aorund, quite misterious but a great provider, love sex with girls and a stunner - as it happened she was at the reception when we checked in). The nickname clarifies her origins: japanese.

We parted ways as happy partners after over 3 hrs of fun.
The strategy of 2+3 is great as relief some pressure on the man performance (the girls "move" to another target if one needs to recover) and as the girls like to play each other, there are nice braeks to watch.

Damage: around 350 BR$ for the suite and 400 for each girl
(they usually go from 150 to 200 for the normal service of 1.5hrs, alone, plus the room)

WIR: done already! with Amanda, a few hrs ago. Confirmed in being a great sucker and BBJ CIM was easily in the menu, and lots of DATY she enjoyed a lot (kakau reported to her how it was mine with her!)

Such a GFE that whenI was about to leave the room I was forgetting to...pay her!
She nicely reminded me with a laugh!

We also ecxhanged a couple of gifts (always nice to be nice with the girls, investment for the future) and promised to hook up at my next trip to SP (will take months) and Khris Oriental will be in the menu (she does not do new customers as she has enough regulars and she "works" part-time only)
These 3 girls really love their job, do it for money but for fun too...and that is a great plus, really.

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal]Great report Ricker.

I went to the Auto show today. Place was wall to wall people with lots of families of course. Was able to chat up one of the "2nd tier" models closer to the back of the hall. Had to work a bit harder since they all seem to be about fed up with the show, standing on their feet for 10+ hours in high heels and, as one girl put it, "assholes". LOL. Was able to get a decent conversation going and got her number with the promise of a nice dinner and wine. Will file a report if anything worth reporting happens.[/QUOTE]

Well good luck with her amigo, give us an update.

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Obrigado ta!!

Could you tell us here your prices / rates for time with these garotas belas??

[QUOTE=Ricker]Obrigado ta!!

Could you tell us here your prices / rates for time with these garotas belas??[/QUOTE]

Most of the girls are well known. At least it's a sure sign that this is not a B&S agency.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Clinicas

Or. Search for a Garota de Programa who lives nearby and receives at home

They are not expensive

Only question mark is the difference between the picture on the web and reality[/QUOTE]search where? Gdpguia?

I can't speak Porto

Please PM me a few whites/blonds nearby who are known well with services. Thanks

In order to have these infos you should contact girls direct, like it happens for almost all websites.

"Todos os anúncios possuem fotos, dados pessoais e telefone particular de cada anunciante para contato direto com as modelos."



[QUOTE=Ricker]Obrigado ta!!

Could you tell us here your prices / rates for time with these garotas belas??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]In order to have these infos you should contact girls direct, like it happens for almost all websites.

"Todos os anúncios possuem fotos, dados pessoais e telefone particular de cada anunciante para contato direto com as modelos."[/QUOTE]Unfortunately we can not put prices on the announcement by Brazilian law.

And in [url]www.ciasexy.com.br[/url] doesn't have agencies, only girls who work alone.

Tks and sorry my english!

clinica berrini is right by clinica kin, down the street from shopping morumbi. the neighborhood looks a little scary if you are walking at night (as i did for part of the way). when you get close, you see dozens of men in suits. i mean dozens, so the area is secure. it looks like the scene in the godfather when they shoot up michael corleone's house. someone in a suit everywhere.

the place is a little run down, both inside and out. you walk in to a brightly lit room and. oh, this is important. no one speaks english. my portuguese sucks, but we were able to communicate. talked to the woman and they did a line up, where they come in one at a time, say their name and kiss you on the cheek. as i walked in, a guy told me to pick camila, so i did. she is the hot looking brunette brazilian type chica, with black hair and a smokin' body.

we went upstairs and showered, me first while she was getting towels and such, then her. perfect body. i just watched her shower like a peeping tom.

she came in and we tried to communicate. she wanted r$30 for oral sem camishinha (bbbj), and i agreed. this was on top of the $140 for the hour. she was very good.

then things got a little crazy, and could have been a disaster, but turned out great.

backing up a little, i had feijoada for lunch. never, i repeat, never have feijoada before seeing a garota. feijoada is a black bean dish that is awesome, and, although i've had it in brazilian restaurants in america, it is 100 times better in brazil.

so, she starts out on top, and i am concentrating on not looking like the 30 second freak. you know, trying to think of baseball statistics and such. watching her take a shower had me most of the way there. then i have to fart. so i clench my ass cheeks and she thinks i'm about to come, so she slows down and grinds more than going up and down. well, i'm not about to, and maybe she can see it, so she offers another position. fine. so then we are going at it missionary while vesuvius is brewing in my intestines.

every time i got close to climaxing, i couldn't relax, for fear of ruining the moment with a fart. so, she must have thought i was a stallion, because we went at it missionary style for about 15 to 20 minutes, barely slowing down. i was close to trying to convey to her what was happening, because i really wanted to relax and enjoy myself (i was enjoying myself, but not able to complete my part.). then she did the big mistake. the old trick that has been passed around her industry for centuries. she stuck her finger in my ass.

i damned near blew her arm off.

so, what could have been a disaster (especially if there were bits of feijoada in there), made us both burst out laughing. i relaxed, and rolled off of her. we laughed and tried to talk about family, brazil, the usa, etc. i never climaxed, but our time after "the eruption" was actually excellent, with lots of stroking and touching, laughing and talking in different languages but getting our points across. i feared that it would turnout a 2 on a 10 point scale, but i give it a 9. plus, she was hot as hell. i would see her again in a second. beautiful, young, sexy and funny.

i have a picture of me, post eruption, that she let me take. it is with a camera phone, so the picture sucks. i blacked myself out for obvious reasons (not the least of which is that i don't want anyone saying "hey, you're the farting john").

so, i liked berrini. safe, a little run down, but hot girls ranging from a 4 to a 9 (camila is a 9). i recommend it for a cheap clinica.

[QUOTE=Texaz]Clinica Berrini ....
So, I liked Berrini. Safe, a little run down, but hot girls ranging from a 4 to a 9 (Camila is a 9). I recommend it for a cheap clinica.[/QUOTE]
Nice post thanks

Thanks for the post, you made me laugh a lot.
What about if she decided to AR ?

[QUOTE=Texaz]
... Then she did the big mistake. The old trick that has been passed around her industry for centuries. She stuck her finger in my ass. ...[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

Does anyone have any suggestion regarding how to bust a nut nicely in the Guarulhos area?

I happen to stop over there quite often for a day or even just a few hours, and the hotel where I stay is in the neighborhood.

Well, and besides, I guess it'd be an interesting input for a lot of people.

Best Regards

[QUOTE=Samytr]search where? Gdpguia?

I can't speak Porto

Please PM me a few whites/blonds nearby who are known well with services. Thanks[/QUOTE]
google on those names and on garota de programa and forums.... you will get tons of feedback
If you do not speak portugues you might loose half of the fun
These girls are not for a simple "wam-bam"

Make a simple search in this forum for Guarulhos and you will find some clues.

[QUOTE=Littletruths]Gentlemen,

Does anyone have any suggestion regarding how to bust a nut nicely in the Guarulhos area?

I happen to stop over there quite often for a day or even just a few hours, and the hotel where I stay is in the neighborhood.

Well, and besides, I guess it'd be an interesting input for a lot of people.

Best Regards[/QUOTE]

In another local forum which is mentioned from time to time here, it is a few months a local monger posts girls ranking based on performance as judged by customers:
Enjoy the updated list:

Garota Preço ITD ITDA SaldoTD Data
Sheila Bombom (ex-Aneesh) R$120 10,00 9,94 +77 15/11/2010
Ellen Santos R$350 9,95 9,93 +272 13/11/2010
Liza Barros R$250 9,93 9,93 +528 14/11/2010
Beatriz / Bia (ex-Carol Loira) R$250 10,00 9,92 +55 15/11/2010
Raíssa R$250 9,94 9,92 +235 15/11/2010
Tati R$150 10,00 9,91 +44 11/11/2010
Sabrina Ribeiro R$300 9,95 9,91 +96 11/11/2010
Meyre Gueixa R$200 9,91 9,90 +655 15/11/2010
Vânia Morena R$200 10,00 9,90 +39 13/11/2010
Carol Pierre (ex-Cherry) R$250 9,94 9,90 +86 13/11/2010
Melissa Sayuri R$200 9,92 9,89 +128 15/11/2010
Kakau Tulle R$250 10,00 9,89 +37 14/11/2010
Lívia Andrade R$250 9,90 9,89 +575 15/11/2010
Cintia R$150 10,00 9,89 +35 14/11/2010
Nanda Mineira / Helena R$100 10,00 9,88 +32 13/11/2010
Angelina angel R$150 10,00 9,88 +31 12/11/2010
Yuri (ex-Fradique Coutinho 830) R$130 10,00 9,87 +30 11/11/2010
Mariana / Marianna / Fabianna R$150 9,93 9,87 +68 15/11/2010
Amanda Mulata R$150 10,00 9,87 +29 14/11/2010
Manuela / Ana Leitte R$250 9,87 9,85 +191 11/11/2010
Larissa Myage R$250 9,86 9,84 +239 15/11/2010
Leticia Araujo (ex-Larissa) R$150 9,90 9,84 +50 15/11/2010
Milene Prado (ex-Nicole) R$350 10,00 9,83 +20 14/11/2010
Carol Lima ABC R$150 9,84 9,82 +156 10/11/2010
Carol Morena R$250 9,83 9,82 +234 11/11/2010
Julia Rodrigues R$250 10,00 9,81 +17 14/11/2010
Rafaelle Cessna R$250 9,88 9,81 +41 15/11/2010
Adassa R$200 9,84 9,81 +91 11/11/2010
Duda Rosa / Eduarda Rosa (ex-Laila Clínica Allure) R$150 9,85 9,81 +65 15/11/2010
Dani Winter R$200 9,83 9,80 +111 14/11/2010
Isabelle R$200 9,81 9,80 +251 11/11/2010
Andressa Ribeiro (RS) R$300 10,00 9,78 +13 13/11/2010
Cacau Lima R$150 10,00 9,78 +13 12/11/2010
Melissa Prado R$300 10,00 9,77 +12 12/11/2010
Carol Bacci / Carol Baker / Gaby Loira / R$250 10,00 9,77 +12 10/11/2010
Cinthia Santos R$400 9,82 9,77 +54 13/11/2010
Alessandra Lee R$250 9,79 9,77 +157 12/11/2010
Gaby Teen R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 15/11/2010
Nanda Loira R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 14/11/2010
Mel Antunes R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 11/11/2010
Vitória R$300 9,81 9,76 +51 15/11/2010
Júlia Monteiro (ex-Mikaela) R$200 9,78 9,75 +87 12/11/2010
Alessandra D'Biase R$200 9,77 9,74 +82 11/11/2010
Anny Lee R$200 9,82 9,74 +27 13/11/2010
Maíra Mantovanni R$200 9,79 9,74 +45 10/11/2010
Alinne Brandão [BA] R$250 9,76 9,74 +98 15/11/2010
Amanda Cruz R$250 9,72 9,72 +479 10/11/2010
Marjorie Bueno R$150 9,75 9,72 +57 12/11/2010
Bianca Vinsky / Danny R$250 9,74 9,70 +54 15/11/2010
Raissa Lemos R$200 9,78 9,70 +22 15/11/2010
Natália Lins R$150 9,71 9,70 +115 15/11/2010
Patrícia Kimberly R$200 9,71 9,70 +161 13/11/2010
Leandra Lopez (ex-Fernanda) R$200 9,74 9,70 +37 10/11/2010
Tainá Ninfeta R$150 9,77 9,69 +21 13/11/2010
Patrícia Dias (ex-Priscila / Karen / Juliana ex-Cherry / An R$250 9,69 9,68 +165 15/11/2010
Tchele Masserati / Michele Masserati R$250 9,70 9,68 +63 15/11/2010
Bárbara / Bruna R$250 9,69 9,67 +105 10/11/2010
Raquel Fagundes R$300 9,75 9,67 +19 13/11/2010
Maysa Fontini (ex-Cibelly Alves) R$250 9,71 9,66 +32 15/11/2010
Meg Rodrigues R$200 9,68 9,66 +87 11/11/2010
Marcela Ribeiro R$300 9,66 9,65 +138 15/11/2010
Mirela Lee (ex-Mirella Ladymi) R$200 9,68 9,65 +44 15/11/2010
Julia R$110 9,72 9,65 +17 10/11/2010
Karina Sol R$150 9,68 9,64 +29 11/11/2010
Melissa Marques R$200 9,69 9,62 +15 15/11/2010
Liana Bastos / Lia R$120 9,61 9,60 +200 11/11/2010
Cristal Oliver R$100 9,58 9,57 +33 14/11/2010
Luana / Wanessa Coelhinha / Vanessa Coelhinha R$300 9,53 9,53 +48 12/11/2010
Bianka Sanchez R$600 9,51 9,52 +512 16/11/2010
Gisele Porto R$300 9,50 9,51 +127 11/11/2010
Gisely Soares R$200 9,49 9,50 +35 11/11/2010
Aline Silveira R$130 9,47 9,47 +84 10/11/2010
Bruna Viana (Santos) R$200 9,38 9,41 +28 12/11/2010
Suelen Sena - coroa R$100 9,38 9,39 +98 11/11/2010
Bruna Mendes / Amanda Andrade / Ane Andrade (ex-Ábila Mendes) R$150 9,23 9,37 +11 15/11/2010
Kássia Moreno (ex-Cacau Desejo´s Privê / RedWay) R$130 9,32 9,35 +64 15/11/2010
Selminha R$200 9,31 9,33 +151 15/11/2010
Lana Morena / Nayara (ex-Alana Morena / Nayara Karan) R$200 9,26 9,29 +63 10/11/2010
Vanessa Gaúcha R$200 9,13 9,21 +33 15/11/2010
Paula Cristina R$150 9,09 9,20 +27 12/11/2010
Laís - MClass R$200 9,00 9,16 +20 16/11/2010
Sílvia (ex-Sílvia Mendes / Alexandra / Joicy / Ticyani / Vitória Gaúcha / Amanda / Flávia / Luanna / Tamiris / Tamara) R$250 9,02 9,13 +33 15/11/2010
Jennifer R$250 8,64 9,08 +8 11/11/2010
Larissa Bittencourt R$300 8,83 9,02 +23 13/11/2010
Fabi Perez / Fabíola (ex-Camile Nogueira / Carlinha) R$300 8,75 8,99 +18 15/11/2010
Duda Moraes / Duda Carioca R$250 8,75 8,97 +21 15/11/2010
Letícia Ferrari (ex-Patrícia Sanches) R$250 8,85 8,96 +47 12/11/2010
Diane Berton / Daniela de Luca R$250 8,57 8,90 +15 10/11/2010
Bruna Ferraz (ex-Katharine / Tawana) R$500 8,57 8,84 +20 12/11/2010
Elise Dalberto R$250 8,61 8,83 +26 12/11/2010
Fernanda Mantovanni R$200 8,63 8,82 +29 10/11/2010
Mirela Estrella R$300 8,70 8,80 +57 10/11/2010
Mirella Lemos R$250 8,21 8,79 +9 14/11/2010
Monique Lins (ex-Bia Argentina / Carol Soares / Luana Araújo) R$250 7,95 8,48 +13 10/11/2010
Duda Mello / Duda / Aila / Ana Paula / (ex-Duda Gatinha / Bruna / Ayla Sanches / Ayla Oliveira) R$300 7,86 8,43 +12 10/11/2010
Lígia Carvalho - coroa R$50 7,50 7,91 +22 14/11/2010
Camila Fantin R$250 7,07 7,75 +12 10/11/2010
Cátia, Katrina ou Suzana (ex-Horrana) R$100 2,81 5,55 -7 14/11/2010
Caroline Gaúcha / Giuliana Ferrari / Sheila Gaúcha / Vitória Gaúca / Andréia (ex-Leila de Liz / Rafaela Gaúcha) R$200 0,69 2,76 -31 13/11/2010

For what I understand, ITD is Test Drive Index which is ratio between positive/negative tests balance and total tests (multiplied by 10), i.e. in case a girl has 10 means 100% of TDs are positive, in case a girl has -10 means 100% of TDs are negative, in case a girl has 0 means her performance is “neutral”.
Then ITDA is a weighed ITD, as a matter of fact is not too different (don’t ask me how it is calculated because we would need a math or statistic professor to explain, I read it but I couldn’t understand, maybe it is too late and I am tired). Then, with + or – in front you find TDs balance and date of last TD.
By searching that forum or the web you can get more info/clues about each girl.

Yesterday I tried to meet some of those on high part of the ranking which suited me but I was unable.
Cell phones were switched off or sending to voice mail. Holiday killed my plans.

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]In another local forum which is mentioned from time to time here, it is a few months a local monger posts girls ranking based on performance as judged by customers:

Enjoy the updated list:

Garota Preço ITD ITDA SaldoTD Data
Sheila Bombom (ex-Aneesh) R$120 10,00 9,94 +77 15/11/2010
Ellen Santos R$350 9,95 9,93 +272 13/11/2010
Liza Barros R$250 9,93 9,93 +528 14/11/2010
Beatriz / Bia (ex-Carol Loira) R$250 10,00 9,92 +55 15/11/2010
Raíssa R$250 9,94 9,92 +235 15/11/2010
Tati R$150 10,00 9,91 +44 11/11/2010
Sabrina Ribeiro R$300 9,95 9,91 +96 11/11/2010
Meyre Gueixa R$200 9,91 9,90 +655 15/11/2010
Vânia Morena R$200 10,00 9,90 +39 13/11/2010
Carol Pierre (ex-Cherry) R$250 9,94 9,90 +86 13/11/2010
Melissa Sayuri R$200 9,92 9,89 +128 15/11/2010
Kakau Tulle R$250 10,00 9,89 +37 14/11/2010
Lívia Andrade R$250 9,90 9,89 +575 15/11/2010
Cintia R$150 10,00 9,89 +35 14/11/2010
Nanda Mineira / Helena R$100 10,00 9,88 +32 13/11/2010
Angelina angel R$150 10,00 9,88 +31 12/11/2010
Yuri (ex-Fradique Coutinho 830) R$130 10,00 9,87 +30 11/11/2010
Mariana / Marianna / Fabianna R$150 9,93 9,87 +68 15/11/2010
Amanda Mulata R$150 10,00 9,87 +29 14/11/2010
Manuela / Ana Leitte R$250 9,87 9,85 +191 11/11/2010
Larissa Myage R$250 9,86 9,84 +239 15/11/2010
Leticia Araujo (ex-Larissa) R$150 9,90 9,84 +50 15/11/2010
Milene Prado (ex-Nicole) R$350 10,00 9,83 +20 14/11/2010
Carol Lima ABC R$150 9,84 9,82 +156 10/11/2010
Carol Morena R$250 9,83 9,82 +234 11/11/2010
Julia Rodrigues R$250 10,00 9,81 +17 14/11/2010
Rafaelle Cessna R$250 9,88 9,81 +41 15/11/2010
Adassa R$200 9,84 9,81 +91 11/11/2010
Duda Rosa / Eduarda Rosa (ex-Laila Clínica Allure) R$150 9,85 9,81 +65 15/11/2010
Dani Winter R$200 9,83 9,80 +111 14/11/2010
Isabelle R$200 9,81 9,80 +251 11/11/2010
Andressa Ribeiro (RS) R$300 10,00 9,78 +13 13/11/2010
Cacau Lima R$150 10,00 9,78 +13 12/11/2010
Melissa Prado R$300 10,00 9,77 +12 12/11/2010
Carol Bacci / Carol Baker / Gaby Loira / R$250 10,00 9,77 +12 10/11/2010
Cinthia Santos R$400 9,82 9,77 +54 13/11/2010
Alessandra Lee R$250 9,79 9,77 +157 12/11/2010
Gaby Teen R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 15/11/2010
Nanda Loira R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 14/11/2010
Mel Antunes R$200 10,00 9,76 +11 11/11/2010
Vitória R$300 9,81 9,76 +51 15/11/2010
Júlia Monteiro (ex-Mikaela) R$200 9,78 9,75 +87 12/11/2010
Alessandra D'Biase R$200 9,77 9,74 +82 11/11/2010
Anny Lee R$200 9,82 9,74 +27 13/11/2010
Maíra Mantovanni R$200 9,79 9,74 +45 10/11/2010
Alinne Brandão [BA] R$250 9,76 9,74 +98 15/11/2010
Amanda Cruz R$250 9,72 9,72 +479 10/11/2010
Marjorie Bueno R$150 9,75 9,72 +57 12/11/2010
Bianca Vinsky / Danny R$250 9,74 9,70 +54 15/11/2010
Raissa Lemos R$200 9,78 9,70 +22 15/11/2010
Natália Lins R$150 9,71 9,70 +115 15/11/2010
Patrícia Kimberly R$200 9,71 9,70 +161 13/11/2010
Leandra Lopez (ex-Fernanda) R$200 9,74 9,70 +37 10/11/2010
Tainá Ninfeta R$150 9,77 9,69 +21 13/11/2010
Patrícia Dias (ex-Priscila / Karen / Juliana ex-Cherry / An R$250 9,69 9,68 +165 15/11/2010
Tchele Masserati / Michele Masserati R$250 9,70 9,68 +63 15/11/2010
Bárbara / Bruna R$250 9,69 9,67 +105 10/11/2010
Raquel Fagundes R$300 9,75 9,67 +19 13/11/2010
Maysa Fontini (ex-Cibelly Alves) R$250 9,71 9,66 +32 15/11/2010
Meg Rodrigues R$200 9,68 9,66 +87 11/11/2010
Marcela Ribeiro R$300 9,66 9,65 +138 15/11/2010
Mirela Lee (ex-Mirella Ladymi) R$200 9,68 9,65 +44 15/11/2010
Julia R$110 9,72 9,65 +17 10/11/2010
Karina Sol R$150 9,68 9,64 +29 11/11/2010
Melissa Marques R$200 9,69 9,62 +15 15/11/2010
Liana Bastos / Lia R$120 9,61 9,60 +200 11/11/2010
Cristal Oliver R$100 9,58 9,57 +33 14/11/2010
Luana / Wanessa Coelhinha / Vanessa Coelhinha R$300 9,53 9,53 +48 12/11/2010
Bianka Sanchez R$600 9,51 9,52 +512 16/11/2010
Gisele Porto R$300 9,50 9,51 +127 11/11/2010
Gisely Soares R$200 9,49 9,50 +35 11/11/2010
Aline Silveira R$130 9,47 9,47 +84 10/11/2010
Bruna Viana (Santos) R$200 9,38 9,41 +28 12/11/2010
Suelen Sena - coroa R$100 9,38 9,39 +98 11/11/2010
Bruna Mendes / Amanda Andrade / Ane Andrade (ex-Ábila Mendes) R$150 9,23 9,37 +11 15/11/2010
Kássia Moreno (ex-Cacau Desejo´s Privê / RedWay) R$130 9,32 9,35 +64 15/11/2010
Selminha R$200 9,31 9,33 +151 15/11/2010
Lana Morena / Nayara (ex-Alana Morena / Nayara Karan) R$200 9,26 9,29 +63 10/11/2010
Vanessa Gaúcha R$200 9,13 9,21 +33 15/11/2010
Paula Cristina R$150 9,09 9,20 +27 12/11/2010
Laís - MClass R$200 9,00 9,16 +20 16/11/2010
Sílvia (ex-Sílvia Mendes / Alexandra / Joicy / Ticyani / Vitória Gaúcha / Amanda / Flávia / Luanna / Tamiris / Tamara) R$250 9,02 9,13 +33 15/11/2010
Jennifer R$250 8,64 9,08 +8 11/11/2010
Larissa Bittencourt R$300 8,83 9,02 +23 13/11/2010
Fabi Perez / Fabíola (ex-Camile Nogueira / Carlinha) R$300 8,75 8,99 +18 15/11/2010
Duda Moraes / Duda Carioca R$250 8,75 8,97 +21 15/11/2010
Letícia Ferrari (ex-Patrícia Sanches) R$250 8,85 8,96 +47 12/11/2010
Diane Berton / Daniela de Luca R$250 8,57 8,90 +15 10/11/2010
Bruna Ferraz (ex-Katharine / Tawana) R$500 8,57 8,84 +20 12/11/2010
Elise Dalberto R$250 8,61 8,83 +26 12/11/2010
Fernanda Mantovanni R$200 8,63 8,82 +29 10/11/2010
Mirela Estrella R$300 8,70 8,80 +57 10/11/2010
Mirella Lemos R$250 8,21 8,79 +9 14/11/2010
Monique Lins (ex-Bia Argentina / Carol Soares / Luana Araújo) R$250 7,95 8,48 +13 10/11/2010
Duda Mello / Duda / Aila / Ana Paula / (ex-Duda Gatinha / Bruna / Ayla Sanches / Ayla Oliveira) R$300 7,86 8,43 +12 10/11/2010
Lígia Carvalho - coroa R$50 7,50 7,91 +22 14/11/2010
Camila Fantin R$250 7,07 7,75 +12 10/11/2010
Cátia, Katrina ou Suzana (ex-Horrana) R$100 2,81 5,55 -7 14/11/2010
Caroline Gaúcha / Giuliana Ferrari / Sheila Gaúcha / Vitória Gaúca / Andréia (ex-Leila de Liz / Rafaela Gaúcha) R$200 0,69 2,76 -31 13/11/2010

For what I understand, ITD is Test Drive Index which is ratio between positive/negative tests balance and total tests (multiplied by 10), i.e. in case a girl has 10 means 100% of TDs are positive, in case a girl has -10 means 100% of TDs are negative, in case a girl has 0 means her performance is “neutral”.
Then ITDA is a weighed ITD, as a matter of fact is not too different (don’t ask me how it is calculated because we would need a math or statistic professor to explain, I read it but I couldn’t understand, maybe it is too late and I am tired). Then, with + or – in front you find TDs balance and date of last TD.
By searching that forum or the web you can get more info/clues about each girl.

Yesterday I tried to meet some of those on high part of the ranking which suited me but I was unable.
Cell phones were switched off or sending to voice mail. Holiday killed my plans.[/QUOTE]Reads like a to-do list. I like it!

Started off at a local bar I like and had a few cheap drinks and some pasteis and then jumped in a cab and told the driver I wanted to go to kilt. I then spend 10 minutes explaining why and the cab driver telling me why romanza was better. It was light-hearted and a pretty funny dialogue. Finally I relented and said ok.

Entrance to romanza was R100 which included nothing, nada, zilch ok. Decent lineup of girls. Mostly 6-7's. Girls were "somewhat" aggressive. A loira hooked onto me and hit me up for a drink. I ended up buying her one but the R40 one and not the more expensive "champagne". I spied a tall morena that was a look alike for Beyonce's sister. OMG was this girl beautiful (to me). The loira caught on I was checking the other girl out and called her over. We were having a great conversation and then a commotion near the entrance caught everyone's attention. I didn't really get the full story but it did appear like 2 americans got in a fight. Anyway, back to my morena.

Negotiation and a slow night helped out for a R400 TLN. No issues with my hotel as they know me pretty well and they don't bother me over that.

Although not my first pick. Romanza turned out ok. Small place, young bartenders acted like they were too good to serve drinks so they weren't that responsive to calls. Girls were friendly. And not necessarily "hey, buy me a drink" friendly but were generally open to talking.

All in for entrance, 1 drink for me and 7 drinks for the assorted girls. Was about R420

Dear Sui. Generis

My buddy has booked a hotel in itaim bibi.

. Hotel Tryp Itaim Rua Manoel Guedes, 320, SP, Itaim. Sao Paulo.

We will arrive on Sunday and stay 2 days in Sao Paolo before leaving for RJ. Which clinicas is near our hotel and your sugesstions are highly appreciated. I understand that weekends are not active in clinicas?

[QUOTE=Sui Generis]It depends of what are your plans. You're staying 2 days in São Paulo.

Do you intend to visit the city? Masp, Edificio Copan, Avenida Paulista, Museu do Ipiranga, Banespa, Vale do Anhangabáu, Catedral the Sá, Estação the Luz, Pinacoteca, Viaduto do chá, and so on.

If it's the case, I think that an hotel in Jardim (or even in Liberdade. See the links to the hotel in that bairro in my former posts) would be appropriate. However I have to add that clinics do not proliferate in Jardim (there is a good privê there though: 480 Al. Jaú).

There is (or was, I'm not sure if it's still open) a clinic in Jardim: Pamplona Massagnes on 724 rua Pamplona.

On the other hand, if you intend to spend your two days visiting clinics (because it seems that is you game of predilection) then I would rather consider renting an hotel in Itaim Bibi or Vila Olimpia (see hotel links on another recent post). There's a lot of good (even very good clinics) in those bairros and or not too far from Campo belo, Novo Brooklin, Moema where you have also a good selection of clinics. In those bairros the night life is also fabulous and more safer than the other bairros closer to Centro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sailor 222]Dear Sui. Generis

My buddy has booked a hotel in itaim bibi.

. Hotel Tryp Itaim Rua Manoel Guedes, 320, SP, Itaim. Sao Paulo.

We will arrive on Sunday and stay 2 days in Sao Paolo before leaving for RJ. Which clinicas is near our hotel and your sugesstions are highly appreciated. I understand that weekends are not active in clinicas?[/QUOTE]

There are not too many options very close by. But Clinica My Way is there, fairly close. Its a high end place, and prices accordingly. I think R$ 175 for one hour massage + 200 for full service. The massages are useless (IMO) so skip to the fun part as soon as possible. Due to price level, I do not frequent the place anymore.

Greice comes highly, highly recommended for pornstar-like looks. She has a gorgeous body, out of this world. Speaks spanish. She is exactly what my primitive genes want, and I am considering paying the $$$ just to try her again. Carol looks good too, but I did not session with her. There was another young girl, I think Sofia, that was very sweet, tranquila and kind of shy, great body, but not a performer. She is not in their site anymore, but for a more neighbours-girl experience, she was a good choice.

[url]www.clinicamyway.com.br[/url] - R. Leopoldo Couto Magalhaes Jr, 777 - Itaim Bibi. Phone (11) 3078 3642

[QUOTE=Sailor 222] I understand that weekends are not active in clinicas?[/QUOTE]

Cloinica are closed on sudanys and on saturday they usuallyhave a shorter operation time (closing at 7.30pm rather than the usual 9.30)

Dear Lex hEctor,

Thanks for your comment..so where should we try then as nearest area or clinica?

[QUOTE=Lex Lector]There are not too many options very close by. But Clinica My Way is there, fairly close. Its a high end place, and prices accordingly. I think R$ 175 for one hour massage + 200 for full service. The massages are useless (IMO) so skip to the fun part as soon as possible. Due to price level, I do not frequent the place anymore.

Greice comes highly, highly recommended for pornstar-like looks. She has a gorgeous body, out of this world. Speaks spanish. She is exactly what my primitive genes want, and I am considering paying the $$$ just to try her again. Carol looks good too, but I did not session with her. There was another young girl, I think Sofia, that was very sweet, tranquila and kind of shy, great body, but not a performer. She is not in their site anymore, but for a more neighbours-girl experience, she was a good choice.

[url]www.clinicamyway.com.br[/url] - R. Leopoldo Couto Magalhaes Jr, 777 - Itaim Bibi. Phone (11) 3078 3642[/QUOTE]

Hi gang,

I'm going to be in SP breifly, both before and after new years. It will be only my 2nd time in the city, so my knowledge is limited. I'm trying to decide which neighborhood to book a hotel in. I could use some tips. Can you please suggest which area would be the best for nightlife + clinicas + termas? I'm expecting to spend lots of time in cabs of course, but I would like to minimize the long cab trips if possible.

Thanks!

Hi gang,

I'm trying to decide which neighborhood to book a hotel in, and I could really use some suggestions.

I'm going to be in SP briefly, both before and after new years. It will be only my 2nd time in the city, so my knowledge is limited. Can you please suggest which area would be the best for nightlife + clinicas + termas? I'm expecting to spend lots of time in cabs of course, but I would like to minimize the long cab trips if possible.

Thanks!

Not a single line in a week? Seems weird. Is everbody ok over there?

[QUOTE=Sailor 222]Dear Lex hEctor,

Thanks for your comment..so where should we try then as nearest area or clinica?[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Looking for an update on Cafe Gauguin... haven't been in SP for the last 6 years. Is this one still good?

Also... anyone know if Hyatt is chica friendly?

Thx!

B.

gents,

i think i may have picked up something. it's painful when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url], could be a bladder infection, or it could be std. where in sp can i go and get checked out, quick and effective?

thanks in advance for a quick reply.

ll

In case you are coming to SP for pleasure only and not for business (in that case you would need an hotel close to where you do business or where your business partners live) maybe best option is Jardins area.
This is nice area, quite central and convenient for clubs/clinicas and many girls offering services in their apartments.

[QUOTE=Beach King]Hi gang,

I'm going to be in SP breifly, both before and after new years. It will be only my 2nd time in the city, so my knowledge is limited. I'm trying to decide which neighborhood to book a hotel in. I could use some tips. Can you please suggest which area would be the best for nightlife + clinicas + termas? I'm expecting to spend lots of time in cabs of course, but I would like to minimize the long cab trips if possible.

Thanks![/QUOTE]


p.s. I don't believe there are termas in SP, at least those typical of Rio

Though I'm not normally a late night guy, a buddy was in town, and he was excited about making a visit to Love Story.

For guys that don't know, Love Story is an after hours dance club, full of non-pros, pros and semi-pros and lots of guys too.
It's a high energy club with lots of electronic and / or rave type music.
Not layed back at all, but fun to people watch and maybe meet someone.
The place doesn't even start going til at least 2am if not later.

We showed up at about 3am, Saturday night (early Sunday morning) and there was a line to get in, about 30 people in front of us, mostly a crowd of people in their late teens or early 20's.
Seemed like an unusually young crowd, and it was packed.

Out of nowhere, a doorman / bouncer approaches my 2 friends and I and leads us to the entrance in front of the line, then waives the entrance fee that night of 60R and says we only must buy a drink before entering the main club.
Not exactly sure why we were selected like that to enter in front and not pay, though we were obviously 20 years older than the young crowd and probably stuck out as foreigners.
We just tipped the guy, bought our drinks and entered.
Why question our good fortune?

The place was packed, more than I've ever seen it. Too crowded for me really. Like I said before, a very young crowd, lots of young guys too.
Must have been something going on that night for youngsters.
I figured, whatever, I'll hang out and check out some hot Brasileiras dancing for an hour or so, so my friend that digs this place can enjoy.

Then, I spot this hot little moeninha spinner, dancing on a table across the club. She was at a distance, but looked hot dancing.
I told my buddies that I'd be right back.
I wanted a closer look and a possible chat.

As I swam through the crowd to where she was dancing, I could see that she looked in her early 20's and was muito sexy, in her jean shorts and halter top.
When I got to where she was, at first I just stopped and watched her dance a bit, her being on a table in a corner with her group of friends I believe, sitting about on a bench near the table.
She saw me and smiled and danced a bit more sexy for me.
I thought, what the fkkk, I hopped up on the table she was dancing on and said to her in english "you are beautiful" .... She smiled and said "Thank you".

After about a minute or two of me semi-dancing with her, she said, now in portuguese, that she was there with her boyfriend.
I then said to her playfully, that was a shame, cause I was just falling in love with her.
I was expecting her to smile and say sorry and goodbye, however, to my surprise and delight, she asked if I wanted her phone number to call her tomorrow.
Of course I said, "com certeza" ... yes.
Anyway, I got her number and she said to me, please call.
I thought, don't worry, I will.

Well, she says her boyfriend is coming back, so I hop off the table, talk to one of her girlfriends sitting there for a minute and watch my new little moreninha with some young looking dude. Her boyfriend looked 17, just some skinny kid really.
She was still giving me the smile when he couldn't see.

Anyway, by this time, my other 2 buddies are ready to leave and head back to this boate we'd been at earlier.
So we leave, head back to the boate, and have one of those nights where you get home at about 6am.
Not really my routine, but every once in a while it's fun.

To make a long story a little shorter, I'll say, the next day I get up in the late afternoon, call my new moreninha friend that I just met, and about 3 hours later she's with me.

I don't need to go into details but we end up having that chemestry together that you find sometimes and she is sexy, hot and fun.
To be honest, I still don't know if she's a GDP or whatever.
She never asks and we never discuss money, though I gave her 100R which I said was for transportstion, I bought us food and drinks and I gave her a few Victoria Secret gifts which I always have around.
She said we were "amigos coloridos" ... basically friends with benefits.

I'm happy with that, and she seems to be too.
We plan to meet up again soon :)

Need a little help from the experts here.

1. I will be in Sao Paulo this Sunday evening. I will be staying near Interested in going a good Cinica. Any suggestions? (I understand that most things are closed on Sundays.)

2. Any good suggestions for escorts in Sao Paulo?

3. Is the Cinica Kin near Morumbi Shopping mall still open?

Many thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Dragonflyxxx]Need a little help from the experts here.

1. I will be in Sao Paulo this Sunday evening. I will be staying near Interested in going a good Cinica. Any suggestions? (I understand that most things are closed on Sundays.)

2. Any good suggestions for escorts in Sao Paulo?

3. Is the Cinica Kin near Morumbi Shopping mall still open?

Many thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]
Even an escort or a garota de programma is hardly working on a sunday.
There are a few but not easy to' find. I will PM some infos if one I know works on sundays too. I need to' check in my archive

[QUOTE=Bella Salvatore]I have a blog with pics and infos abt me at: [url]http://wwwbellahome.********.com[/url][/QUOTE]
How old are you?

[QUOTE=Bella Salvatore]Hi guys,

I found this forum when i was searching for some reviews of myself on the internet, to add to my blog....so not trying to show off or anything, just wanted to tell that I escort in SP (Im a freelancer and speak good english)

I escort motels and hotels only, no incalls!

I have a blog with pics and infos abt me at: [url]http://wwwbellahome.********.com[/url]

I have reviews on this forum from what ive seen, so if you need to know more, pls visit [url]www.gpguia.net[/url] and search for bellaxxx, ok?

Thnx,

Bella[/QUOTE]
Bella, I tried to find your web site, but everything was in Portugese, I attempted to send you a private message but your site does not accept messages.
Please send me th link as I am in SP thru Dec 9th

[QUOTE=Bella Salvatore]I'm 30, why?[/QUOTE]
I couldn't find your age on your site, [url]http://wwwbellahome.********.com[/url].
A guy on Gpguia said that your age was 45. I thought you looked a little bit younger than 45 years.

I just saw your other site, where you mentioned your age.
[url]http://www.bella-home.com/bio.html[/url]
"Hello, my name is Bella, I'm a sexy and charming lady from Brazil, 35 years old."

[QUOTE=Sperto]I couldn't find your age on your site, [url]http://wwwbellahome.********.com[/url].[/QUOTE]

It's listed on her site below her Large pic, to the left of "Duo with Duda Moreas:" (and it's in English too.)

"Bio & Services:
Hi, my name is Bella and I'm a mature woman who escorts in Sp men that are looking for the real GFE look and behavior. I'm very open minded and have a great sense of humor, making that a special touch on me. I'm refined and classy to make you feel comfortable when meeting me, which makes our time very pleasant.

*Age: on my 30's
*Measurements: 36-28-36 (90-65-90)
*Height: 5'4" (1,63m)
*Feet: 36"

[QUOTE=Dragonflyxxx]Need a little help from the experts here.

1. I will be in Sao Paulo this Sunday evening. I will be staying near Interested in going a good Cinica. Any suggestions? (I understand that most things are closed on Sundays.)

2. Any good suggestions for escorts in Sao Paulo?

3. Is the Cinica Kin near Morumbi Shopping mall still open?

Many thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]

Point 2: Amanda Francine (11) 6321-1139
she works on weekends, recommended for 3-somes (and she has friends for that), will not leave you unsatisfied (and she expects the same, to have her stake of pleasure!)
150BR$ for 1.5 hrs in a motel (she will give you a choice of 2-3 locations of her preference.
She has blog with pictures and you can google for that.
Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Bella Salvatore]I'm 30, why?[/QUOTE]
No flaming but have you lost 5 years recently?
your website mentions you are 35:)
I personally do not mind much the age, that is not the point, but I cannot understand the contradiction:)
Have fun and a lot of customers!
bjs

[QUOTE=Bionicman]No flaming but have you lost 5 years recently?

Your website mentions you are 35

I personally do not mind much the age, that is not the point, but I cannot understand the contradiction.

Have fun and a lot of customers!

Bjs[/QUOTE]35? You can get American woman 35-years-old falling over themselves to go out with you. Why come to Brazil for that?

[QUOTE=Bella Salvatore]I'm 30, why?[/QUOTE]

There is an advertising section to list your services. You will annoy less people if your place your advertisement in the correct section.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1277[/url]

[QUOTE=Bionicman]No flaming but have you lost 5 years recently?

your website mentions you are 35:)

I personally do not mind much the age, that is not the point, but I cannot understand the contradiction:)

Have fun and a lot of customers!

bjs[/QUOTE]Giving false ages is normal for escorts don't you know this by now.

Giving the true age is abnormal.

Sorry guys, for some reason my registration was deleted and the adm told me to register again.

Anyway, I'm not 45 as the client on gpguia said, BTW I'm far for being 45. But I'm on my 30's. Don't need to say how many right? LOL

For the guy that is trying to reach me because hes coming to sp on the 9th, please take a look at my email on my blog.

Thanks to all

I can vouch for Bella.

I met her more than 5 years ago in a private party that was held at a place that was called Moça Bonita on Quatá street (Vila Olimpia). As far as I'm concerned I think that this restaurant/terrace doesn't exist anymore.

She speaks English fluently. Even if a close friend of mine only had words of praise for her, I never booked a session with Bella (I'm more into mulatas and morenas) but she's a very beautiful woman. Classy and well educated.

I don't know where it was written that she's 45. There's a mistake here. She's in her 30's for sure. Is it that important to know the exact age of a garota...unless you are working for the census Bureau!

To my knowledge the oldest GP still active in Sampa is Meyre Gueixa. She's definitely 45 (or even a little bit older). Still in good shape though....

[QUOTE=Sui Generis]I don't know where it was written that she's 45.[/QUOTE]
Gpguia... "Ela não é uma mulher feia,mas já tem bagagem..facil facil 40 pra cima..diria uns 45."
I believe she's 35, but she's not on my shopping list.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Gpguia... "Ela não é uma mulher feia,mas já tem bagagem..facil facil 40 pra cima..diria uns 45."
I believe she's 35, but she's not on my shopping list.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I found the post on the site that you've mentioned.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]Giving false ages is normal for escorts don't you know this by now.

Giving the true age is abnormal.[/QUOTE]
The fake age is not the issue
The contradiction comes when the same person metnions two different ages.
The older in the website and the younger in a post here.
Best case scenario would be the opposite, claiming hte webpage was ...5yrs old!:)
Nothing more than that
Age - at some point - is irrelevant when service and appearance is ok.

Any more input please?

Specifically for pleasure, a single night only in SP to start with, and it will be a SUNDAY. Where is the best neighborhood to book a hotel in?

Also:

What specific venues can you suggest for simple pick-up? Something similar to Romanza?

[QUOTE=Beach King]Hi gang,

I'm trying to decide which neighborhood to book a hotel in, and I could really use some suggestions.

I'm going to be in SP briefly, both before and after new years. It will be only my 2nd time in the city, so my knowledge is limited. Can you please suggest which area would be the best for nightlife + clinicas + termas? I'm expecting to spend lots of time in cabs of course, but I would like to minimize the long cab trips if possible.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Samy69]Have my hotel in Moema area.

Where do you recommend ? I am not looking for hi-end or low-end but with nice garotas and good service?[/QUOTE]
So how was your trip? We are dying to hear all about!

This has been my absolute favorite venue for a number of years, evidenced by reports dating back to '02 when the facility was by the airport. It has always been a near-perfect combination of quality and price.

Now, I'm not so sure.

I have visited 3 times since November 1st. There are some major issues:

-Facility falling apart. A lot of little things. Mouthwash containers empty, broken showers, toilet seat missing downstairs, horrible futon in one room, broken shower controls, no doorman one day, and several other maintenance items noticeable. I enjoy experiences in the lower-end apartments in Buenos Aires, Colombia, Chile, Guatemala, and other places, so I'm not some westernized-snob. But, R$150 is a lot of money nowadays, and there are a lot of R$60 issues at Kin.

The lineup was okay, but not up to their standards. Raquel is absolutely beautiful. I had already decided when I saw her. Even if her performance is average, she is worth a try. Very close to a 10 in my opinion. The next closest girl was around a 7. 5. That would be Carol. She also seemed to have a nice disposition. I think I was with her a few years ago, but I can't remember for sure. Kakal, or however they spell that pheonetic name, was also pretty hot. I took her after the staff promised that she would do lots of kisses. That's not always important, but it was that day, so I decided to cancel the variables for it.

She is very hot. At least a 7, some might go much higher. She claims to be 27, but I think she is the first garota-programa girl to lie the wrong way. Cute, sweet, blond, tall, nice fake tits (only C+ size) , and happy. She resisted fingers to some extent and her DFK sucked. But, nice BBBJ (despite braces) and plenty of attention to the balls. Very tight. I mean, very, very tight!

I would recommend, except that I hate rules.

In general, I think Kin is on the way out. They are not taking care of the facility like a company that plans on being there a long time. The lineup is not as good as it once was. I miss the madame, as she was beautiful and nice. The staff is good, but the original one was special. She might be at the new facility.

For R$120, I would still give the highest recommendation. For $150, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Full Throttle; 1100814]This has been my absolute favorite venue for a number of years, evidenced by reports dating back to '02 when the facility was by the airport. It has always been a near-perfect combination of quality and price.

Now, I'm not so sure.

I have visited 3 times since November 1st. There are some major issues:

-Facility falling apart. A lot of little things. Mouthwash containers empty, broken showers, toilet seat missing downstairs, horrible futon in one room, broken shower controls, no doorman one day, and several other maintenance items noticeable. I enjoy experiences in the lower-end apartments in Buenos Aires, Colombia, Chile, Guatemala, and other places, so I'm not some westernized-snob. But, R$150 is a lot of money nowadays, and there are a lot of R$60 issues at Kin.

The lineup was okay, but not up to their standards. Raquel is absolutely beautiful. I had already decided when I saw her. Even if her performance is average, she is worth a try. Very close to a 10 in my opinion. The next closest girl was around a 7. 5. That would be Carol. She also seemed to have a nice disposition. I think I was with her a few years ago, but I can't remember for sure. Kakal, or however they spell that pheonetic name, was also pretty hot. I took her after the staff promised that she would do lots of kisses. That's not always important, but it was that day, so I decided to cancel the variables for it.

She is very hot. At least a 7, some might go much higher. She claims to be 27, but I think she is the first garota-programa girl to lie the wrong way. Cute, sweet, blond, tall, nice fake tits (only C+ size) , and happy. She resisted fingers to some extent and her DFK sucked. But, nice BBBJ (despite braces) and plenty of attention to the balls. Very tight. I mean, very, very tight!

I would recommend, except that I hate rules.

In general, I think Kin is on the way out. They are not taking care of the facility like a company that plans on being there a long time. The lineup is not as good as it once was. I miss the madame, as she was beautiful and nice. The staff is good, but the original one was special. She might be at the new facility.

For R$120, I would still give the highest recommendation. For $150, I don't know. [/QUOTE]I visited Clinica Kin twice this week and I agree that the place is very run down.

Wednesday at 4:00pm there were nine customers in the waiting area, they showed me at least 12 ladies, I choose a lady I do not recall her name, but she was about 30 yrs old. 1oo lbs auburn hair. 34C's enhansed. Her service was mechanical, I left disappointed.

Thursday I returned at about 1:00pm, I was the only customer, saw 18 ladies, choose Fotel (spelling?) , she was very pretty. 25 yrs old 34B's long legs and a few piercings. Her service was about the worse I have encountered at KIN, she was very mechanical, fake moaning, just a unfavorable experience at Kin.

The fee is 150 Real. I definately I will look for a new place next visit to Sao Paulo I also visited Kim for about 5 years, and saw an extreme degredation in the facility as well as with the tallent.

[QUOTE=Beach King; 1100680]Any more input please?

Specifically for pleasure, a single night only in SP to start with, and it will be a SUNDAY. Where is the best neighborhood to book a hotel in?

Also:

What specific venues can you suggest for simple pick-up? Something similar to Romanza? [/QUOTE]Romanza was one of biggest rip-off places ever, are you kidding me? You want to pay 400-500R. On a Sunday, I suggest you stay in Paulista area, in one of several Mercures or the Ibis right on av. Paulista. You can get the airport bus which stops at that hotel for pick up and drop off.

Then go to Av Augusta or Kilt for your GDPs.

I will be in SP in a few weeks. I am looking for a good theraputic massage, with extras. HJ or BJ is fine.

Hotel service a plus, and some English required. I will probably be staying at the Renaissance.

Thanks.

Just to be fair and balanced.

Kin is still among the top choices I have for value. There are much cheaper and MUCH more expensive. There is better service, and MUCH worse, on average. For people like me, with limited frequency and budget, but abhor short-time / limited service events, Kin is still pretty good- WAY better than across the street at Berrini's.

A few days ago, I saw Cleo, formerly the exquisite hot model who they paraded on the front page of the now-invisible website. She used to offer unbelievable service and quality.

So, she (not I) has aged. She might even be around 35. Looking at her naked, she could tone about 3-7 kilos. But, she is beautiful inside and out. Slow to start, LFK, then DATY, then DFK will make her a forever fan, and she offers one of the most satisfying hours in the universe.

I and another poster panned Kin a bit. But, of the many places I have tried in SP, I continue to buy into the value.

That said, my love is not unconditional, and I will endeavor to post.

Hi guys.

Been posting in the Rio thread since moving there in Oct.

Any sense of how the SP scene will be during the work week after Christmas and before New Year's? Like Tues / Weds that week? One school of thought is that many girls go back to their homes and it will be thin talent.

Pondering a quick getaway trip and Fortaleza is way too expensive (RT flights for R$1100-R$1300)

Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1102151]Hi guys.

Been posting in the Rio thread since moving there in Oct.

Any sense of how the SP scene will be during the work week after Christmas and before New Year's? Like Tues / Weds that week? One school of thought is that many girls go back to their homes and it will be thin talent.

Pondering a quick getaway trip and Fortaleza is way too expensive (RT flights for R$1100-R$1300)

Cartman[/QUOTE]I have been here that week many times. Not the best, but certainly doable. My thought would be to stick with the big places and areas. In other words, avoid the small clinicas. Instead, enjoy the BIG clinicas and the R. Augusta scene. That very cool list of top providers might be a great source, also.

If you are used to Rio, you might find Sao Paulo TOO MUCH WORK during that period. But, not impossible.

Clinica Redway comes to mind. They seem to work all holidays, so being in the vicinity of one shouldn't matter.

FT

[QUOTE=Full Throttle; 1102233]I have been here that week many times. Not the best, but certainly doable. My thought would be to stick with the big places and areas. In other words, avoid the small clinicas. Instead, enjoy the BIG clinicas and the R. Augusta scene. That very cool list of top providers might be a great source, also.

If you are used to Rio, you might find Sao Paulo TOO MUCH WORK during that period. But, not impossible.

Clinica Redway comes to mind. They seem to work all holidays, so being in the vicinity of one shouldn't matter.

FT[/QUOTE]Thanks, FT

For all of you business people out there, this is why you need to take care of your customers because they will venture out and find something better if you don't!

This one stood out because it is within walking distance of the Hilton Morumbi (and other hotels nearby) , it gets good and frequent reviews on the local forum, and the price is still pretty good at 80R / 30 min. 120R / hour. 160R 4-handed 1 hour (promotion).

Like many of these places, it was just an ordinary house in an okay neighborhood near where Sto. Amarro crosses Rique Petroni Jr. The only thing that makes it stand out is the large lettering on the wall indicating the address. In fact, I think that if you were to walk through all of the neighborhoods in Sampa knocking only on doors where the address numbers are in red and greater than 8", you will never need a forum again for guidance in finding professional girls!

Anyway, they buzz you in by the carport and you walk down indoor-outdoor hallway about 50' long, then turn right open another door, and enter the reception area. There are two seating areas partially separated by a curtain. There were 2 managers working, neither as nice or fun as the ones at Kin, but it is nice, for once, not to want to bang the one female you can't.

At 3pm on a Monday. 6 girls presented themselves to me. One was a no-go for most. 3 were okay, and 2 were particularly attractive, Sara and Jessica. A guy there gestured to me in such a way to indicate that Jessica may have strong oral skills. Sara, very highly-reviewed locally, was my very interesting, eventual choice.

Sara took me down the hallway to a nicely appointed room, with a never-to-be-used massage table, a rubber bed that she brought a sheet for, and an attached bathroom and shower. The temperature in the room was fine.

She is around 24, died blondish hair. 5'4", no kids, and shaved clean. She may weigh 115 pounds, or maybe less. She is not overly athletic but rather soft and pleasing to the touch. No flab or anything, just nice and feminine. Among the interesting things is her skin tone. She is extremely fair, even lighter than I, which is saying something. And, there are no signs of tan lines anywhere. Keep in mind, it is the equivalent of June 14th there, and the weather has been very hot.

Another interesting thing is her tattoo. She only has one, but it is a full-color work of feminine art on her back, a flower arrangement of sorts. I asked her about it, thinking how much more normal it is for one to begin with a small tattoo somewhere, then graduate to the bigger, more detailed ones. She had an answer, but I have no fricking idea what it was.

So, the event was very sweet, but, in keeping with her persona, not overly aggressive or naughty. Very nice, long DFK, a BBBJ for as long as you can stand, DATY also for LONGER than most can stand, as it took 30+ minutes, multiple fingers and every trick in the book to finally make her get off. Sex available in whatever positions you want and, according to some local reports, anal is available. With the size of her conventional area, which is pleasantly teency-weency, I would wonder if you would even want anal with her. She asked that I avoid CIM, but that was the only stated restriction during our session.

I think this will be a nice alternative for $40R less for 30 minutes and $20R for an hour compared to Kin.

Ful Throttle,

Clinica Novo Cancioneiro was formerly Casa do Hector. As everybody knows Hector moves two or three years ago to Espaço Morumbi (former Cubo Verde on Chafic Maluff Street, very close to the Morumbi shopping Centre).

Casa do hector 1 was one of my favorite place a couple of years ago. Read my former posts (in 2007 or 2008) I was among the first to visit Clinica Novo Cancioneiro when they reopened. The place was spotted by the LE and that's the reason why Hector moved to another location. That's also why they change from a privê to a clinic.

I don't know if it's the same girl at the reception. A former « hectorette ». She was good looking (but the last time I saw her she gained a lot of weight).

I'll be back there soon.

So I went to cafe foto last night. I had not been there since they renovated it. The space is amazing very high end spot. Beutifull space. There were about 30-40 girls and not to many guys (arived at 1:30am) I picked out a nice 5 ft tall dirty blond hair girl with great implants. Her name was samantha. She wanted $500 for 3 hours in my hotel. I grab about 4-5 drinks with my buddy and tried to get her down to $400. Back at my room she was very very very sexyyyyy and it was well worth the cost.

Entrance fee-$150.

Drinks-$200.

Girl-$500.

Anal-didn't ask.

Got the facebook and the number.

Also went to francebel which was amazing. Great facility. Nice sauna. The girl I choose gave such a good massage that I almost didn't go through with the deed. I would highly recommend this place.

Girl-$150 for 1. 5 hrs.

Entrance- don't remember

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1103152]Ful Throttle,

Casa do hector 1 was one of my favorite place a couple of years ago. Read my former posts (in 2007 or 2008) I was among the first to visit Clinica Novo Cancioneiro when they reopened. The place was spotted by the LE and that's the reason why Hector moved to another location. That's also why they change from a privê to a clinic.

[/QUOTE]Please excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between a privê and a clinica? Why would LE be interested in Hector and his operation?

[QUOTE=Jose Lima; 1103587]So I went to cafe foto last night. I had not been there since they renovated it. The space is amazing very high end spot. Beutifull space. There were about 30-40 girls and not to many guys (arived at 1:30am) I picked out a nice 5 ft tall dirty blond hair girl with great implants. Her name was samantha. She wanted $500 for 3 hours in my hotel. I grab about 4-5 drinks with my buddy and tried to get her down to $400. Back at my room she was very very very sexyyyyy and it was well worth the cost.

Entrance fee-$150.

Drinks-$200.

Girl-$500.

Anal-didn't ask.

Got the facebook and the number.

[/QUOTE]

Is that $ US or Reais R?

No matter what it was. 850 is way too much. Thanks for inflating the prices for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1104091]Is that $ US or Reais R?

No matter what it was. 850 is way too much. Thanks for inflating the prices for the rest of us. [/QUOTE]Look sampa is expensive now. Cafe Foto is one of the most expensive places in Sampa, everyone knows that. If someone wants to go there and spend R$850 then that is their business and it isn't pushing up the price for anyone. I really don't think your comment is a correct assessment of the situation!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1104108]Look sampa is expensive now. Cafe Foto is one of the most expensive places in Sampa, everyone knows that. If someone wants to go there and spend R$850 then that is their business and it isn't pushing up the price for anyone. I really don't think your comment is a correct assessment of the situation![/QUOTE]I concur with Bubba Boy: São Paulo IS an expensive city. According to an annual survey conducted by a serious firm (I don't believe which one) São Paulo is the second most expensive city of the world after Oslo.

For many years the average price for an indy was R$200. Now it's more like 250 or even R$300. (But you can still bargain it down to R$200 and less).

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1104110]I concur with Bubba Boy: São Paulo IS an expensive city. According to an annual survey conducted by a serious firm (I don't believe which one) São Paulo is the second most expensive city of the world after Oslo.

For many years the average price for an indy was R$200. Now it's more like 250 or even R$300. (But you can still bargain it down to R$200 and less). [/QUOTE]You can have quite many GdP for R$150 for 1. 5hrs + motels.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1104125]You can have quite many GdP for R$150 for 1. 5hrs + motels.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, I tend to find my average price is about R$ 125 for all girls that I do business with in Rio and I guarantee you 90% of the girls I do are way hotter than 90% of the girls at the really expensive places. Having said that, every now and again I like to go crazy at the more expensive joints, particularly when in Sampa. If you have the money you should take advantage of that, life is too friggin short!

My point is I don't think it is correct for somebody to say by going to the more expensive places that it affects the price in the average run of the day places. It is a completely different market. Paying R$850 at the ultra high end doesn't do jack shit for the prices at my R$ 125 a pop places!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1104230]Absolutely, I tend to find my average price is about R$ 125 for all girls that I do business with in Rio and I guarantee you 90% of the girls I do are way hotter than 90% of the girls at the really expensive places. Having said that, every now and again I like to go crazy at the more expensive joints, particularly when in Sampa. If you have the money you should take advantage of that, life is too friggin short!

My point is I don't think it is correct for somebody to say by going to the more expensive places that it affects the price in the average run of the day places. It is a completely different market. Paying R$850 at the ultra high end doesn't do jack shit for the prices at my R$ 125 a pop places! [/QUOTE]I agree on your conCLUsions and ii am also a "spender" (ie if you can afford, why not)

What is often debated here in ISG (any forum) is the tendency to pay, eg. 300 for a girl usually demanding 200 or 1500 for a girl demanding 1200 or 1000 (whatever currency) and not under the form of a tip a the end.

That is an action inflating prices and that should be avoided (rather than condemned, as anyone can do what he wants with his money)

On this I somehow agree. But I less agree on the flaming around that.

On the other hand the more I look at the web pages of the GdP, and having experimented also a few in SP (see a report of a few weeks ago) I have to say that the 150/200 GdP have nothing less than some Cafè Foto girls (might even be that some double act as "individual GdP" at popular rates daytime and then go for the high market as a CF girl, automatically entitle to demand for more.

Something liek this happens in Singapore: the same girl has two different prices. One for the her OT bar's 'resdiential' and another (higher) one for the nearby Brix (inside Hyatt).

A few girls confirmed this to me.

Each one his own, but as the Cafè Foto (or alike) venues do not guarantee much service quality (as a clinica often does, for instance) better take the risk with a g. Reat (and reasonably cheaper) GdP than paying the extras of a Cafè Foto venue.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1104258]I agree on your conCLUsions and ii am also a "spender" (ie if you can afford, why not)

What is often debated here in ISG (any forum) is the tendency to pay, eg. 300 for a girl usually demanding 200 or 1500 for a girl demanding 1200 or 1000 (whatever currency) and not under the form of a tip a the end.

That is an action inflating prices and that should be avoided (rather than condemned, as anyone can do what he wants with his money)

On this I somehow agree. But I less agree on the flaming around that.

On the other hand the more I look at the web pages of the GdP, and having experimented also a few in SP (see a report of a few weeks ago) I have to say that the 150/200 GdP have nothing less than some Cafè Foto girls (might even be that some double act as "individual GdP" at popular rates daytime and then go for the high market as a CF girl, automatically entitle to demand for more.

Something liek this happens in Singapore: the same girl has two different prices. One for the her OT bar's 'resdiential' and another (higher) one for the nearby Brix (inside Hyatt).

A few girls confirmed this to me.

Each one his own, but as the Cafè Foto (or alike) venues do not guarantee much service quality (as a clinica often does, for instance) better take the risk with a g. Reat (and reasonably cheaper) GdP than paying the extras of a Cafè Foto venue. [/QUOTE]I hear what you are saying and I can't disagree with anything you have said.

850 now because cafe photo use to include 4 drinks with the entrance fee. The 500 price has always been the case if your a gringo. When I went there I just negotiate for more time and services rather than haggle with them over 50-100R.

Here in Pao now, same girls that use to work in sampa now work here also and go for 200R in POA. But its all relative because the money I'm saving is the money I had to spend for the connecting flight in Samap to here. So in all I could have just stayed in Sampa for the same amount I'm spending here. Go figure LOL

Hi to all local. The Wolf is in town.

I would like to know if any of you has ever try this Lingam Massage as advertised on this site?

[url]http://www.lingammassagem.com.br/Lingam_Massagem/A_Massagem.html[/url]

It seems rather professional but who knows.

I am wishing to give it a try.

Cheers to all.

The Wolf

[quote=wolf; 1104980]hi to all local. the wolf is in town.

i would like to know if any of you has ever try this lingam massage as advertised on this site?

[url]http://www.lingammassagem.com.br/lingam_massagem/a_massagem.html[/url]

it seems rather professional but who knows.

i am wishing to give it a try.

cheers to all.

the wolf[/quote]wow, the first three women on the list of terapeutas are so ugly that they would make a hyena cry.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1104091]Is that $ US or Reais R?

No matter what it was. 850 is way too much. Thanks for inflating the prices for the rest of us. [/QUOTE]Thats in real. And if you think I'm inflating any pricing well go to cafe foto and report back. The only varible there that I could control was the $R500. Me and my buddy were doing all the drinking (He treated me to restarant called lellis trattoria and the bill was about $R1000 reis so a couple of drinks on me was in order.)

And BELIEVE you me I am not inflating any pricing in SP especially not in Cafe FOTO rsrsrsrrs.

Rumours say that Bahamas might reopen January. If this is the truth the SP situation is pretty similar in terms of the high end boate scene as when I started travelling to SP ten years ago:
- Cafe Photo (still around but relocated to a better place).
- Bahamas (reopened).
- W (changed name to W Garden but still same owner and location).
- Bomboa (still the same).
- Cafe Millenium (renovated and reopened with new name Scandallo Club).
- Kilt Shows (new owners but same location).

I can't wait to go back in March after a years absence.

Does anyone know the current situation of:
- Cafe Gauguin (Brooklin)
- Bon Vivant (Jardim Paulista. Formerly Donna Cafe)
- Fazendinha (Campinas)

The only thing missing now is Gigi back or a replacement.

GK

The only information circulating so far on the net is a note on the GP Guia (written December 28th). In that note the poster (registered since 2004) said that he called the joint last Tuesday and there was somebody who answered the phone (after a while I should specify). He told that poster that they are planning to reopen later this month. There is no other information available.

That poster was curious because he noticed that the web site was still active after all those years. Does it really mean a thing? I dunno.

On the other hand, it's strange that one of their former star working there (Jéssica Monteiro aka Mariana Aguiar. A former playmate who was asking R$2, 000 for a session) is planning to receive johns in her new flat (January 20th). (I'm sure she would have known if they are planning to reopen the venue.) Where is the truth?

Bahamas closed for ever or not?

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1107409]Rumours say that Bahamas might reopen January. If this is the truth the SP situation is pretty similar in terms of the high end boate scene as when I started travelling to SP ten years ago:

- Cafe Photo (still around but relocated to a better place).

- Bahamas (reopened).

- W (changed name to W Garden but still same owner and location).

- Bomboa (still the same).

- Cafe Millenium (renovated and reopened with new name Scandallo Club).

- Kilt Shows (new owners but same location).

I can't wait to go back in March after a years absence.

Does anyone know the current situation of:

- Cafe Gauguin (Brooklin)

- Bon Vivant (Jardim Paulista. Formerly Donna Cafe)

- Fazendinha (Campinas)

The only thing missing now is Gigi back or a replacement.

GK[/QUOTE]GK,

Of the last places, I know Fazendinha is still open for sure and GREAT talent there.

I didn't know there was sexo urbano for Sao Paulo part 2. Is there any other out I missed? Cool seeing Patricia Kimberly, Carol Sampio and Hellen Ferraz getting some shine.

Does anyone have and link for the 1st Sao Paulo urbano?

Thanks

Sui Generis,

You might be right but why would a club that closed years ago still have its website and telephone active, and why would someone be in there and answer the phone. Why would that person answer that the club plans to reopen?

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1107636]Sui Generis,

You might be right but why would a club that closed years ago still have its website and telephone active, and why would someone be in there and answer the phone. Why would that person answer that the club plans to reopen?

GK[/QUOTE]I think they have all intentions of reopening since the owner has a huge investment in the place and Bahamas was world famous it was a p4p institution and the talent you found there was comparable to no other place.

Let's hope it does reopen and make the sao paulo scene even more interesting.

Well, let's cross our fingers then. Over the years Seu Maroni has made many ennemies among the politicians in SP. I hope, however, that they will let him reopened the Bahamas.

i am curious if anything will change with the p4p scene with the new female president in office now.

in her inagrual speech she spoke many times about giving females better lives and opporunities.

Had a great time on Avenida Paulista for the New Year celebration!

Over 2 million people, controlled chaos and fun.

I saw one fight (quickly broken up) , lots of singing and dancing and drinkin, and muitas beautiful girls.

One of my best New Years ever.

Feliz Ano Novo!

[quote=hobbying; 1108102]i am curious if anything will change with the p4p scene with the new female president in office now.

in her inagrual speech she spoke many times about giving females better lives and opporunities. [/quote]better opportunities. hum. i think that we can seriously think about the reopening of the bahamas then.

[quote=hobbying; 1108102]i am curious if anything will change with the p4p scene with the new female president in office now.

in her inagrual speech she spoke many times about giving females better lives and opporunities. [/quote]after reading about her political views in wikipedia (not the end-all, by any means) , it doesn't sound like there's much on her radar regarding p4p. she's had 2 divorces, and in spite of one being an amicable split, i could easily see her trying to revamp the courts to more closely emulate the us, when it comes to divorce and child support issues, after hearing what my fiancée had to go through for her divorce. if rouseff picks michigan to emulate, i feel sorry for brasil. i think the people who developed the concept of the "friend of the court" here, had heinrich himmler and the stormtroopers of the ss as their heros, with divorced dads as the targets of their wrath.

As I regularly travel to 30-40 international cities per year, I needed to get myself organized. I didn't want to waste valuable time not knowing where to go and, god forbid, end up asking a conciere or a taxi driver where to go. So, I have made Google Maps for most of the cities I go to. I made one for Quito, Ecuadar that, by my standards, has gone viral with 270, 000 hits and contributors have really helped develop it into a useful resource.

Sao Paulo is my 2nd map to share to ALL of you. EVERYONE is a collaborator. You can click on it and immediately add comments, locations and information. Please try to keep the nomenclature consistent, including the color coding. Shouldn't be hard. PLEASE date every comment and entry. Some of mine are 2-3 years old, which can be an eternity.

My Rio map is okay, but not as good as bitchmaps. Com, which links directly to gpguia, or Sperto's maps, so I won't bother. We'll see how this one goes.

Bon Appetit!

FT.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=208228692507675671514.000451c408cf19c176e11&z=11[/url]

FT, Happy New Year my friend! Thanks for posting your map here. Some of your spots have no addresses though. I don't know where you are getting your info because some of the places are not open anymore.

I stay in Paraiso so I have been sticking to places near the Vila Mariana and Ana Rosa stations. So I don't get to the Santo Amaro places like I used to. Prive do Hector #1 was one of my favorites. I also had a few decent sessions at Kin.

If you like the sub-R100 places, I can recommend RedWay and Bijin. Clinica Washi, Clinica Onna & Abbacante are worth a look as well.

I hope we will get to hang out this year. I will be in Sampa around the first week in April.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1107409]Does anyone know the current situation of:

- Cafe Gauguin (Brooklin)

- Bon Vivant (Jardim Paulista. Formerly Donna Cafe)

- Fazendinha (Campinas)

The only thing missing now is Gigi back or a replacement.

GK[/QUOTE]Isn't Bob Vivant renamed Mysterium?

[QUOTE=Almotu;1108741]Isn't Bob Vivant renamed Mysterium?[/QUOTE]That is a different boite. Went there once and it wasn't bad, very close to Bomboa.

That could be Almotu. Do you have any info? Is Washington in charge or has he moved to W Garden with Edson?

GK

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1108739]FT, Happy New Year my friend! Thanks for posting your map here. Some of your spots have no addresses though. I don't know where you are getting your info because some of the places are not open anymore.

I stay in Paraiso so I have been sticking to places near the Vila Mariana and Ana Rosa stations. So I don't get to the Santo Amaro places like I used to. Prive do Hector #1 was one of my favorites. I also had a few decent sessions at Kin.

If you like the sub-R100 places, I can recommend RedWay and Bijin. Clinica Washi, Clinica Onna & Abbacante are worth a look as well.

I hope we will get to hang out this year. I will be in Sampa around the first week in April. [/QUOTE]Happy New Year to you as well!

If you know a place is closed or if I failed to put an address on a prive, please feel free to delete! At the very least, maybe change the color or symbol?

Many of the entries were from GPGUIA. I only included places that had recent reviews at the time of entry which was a coupole of years ago or more, in some cases. I recently started adding dates to entries which I hope people do going forward.

Redway is great and has no respect for holidays, which is important in a country that seems to have one every couple of weeks.

Kin was my favorite. Now, it is too expensive, becoming run down, the mamasan is gone, and there were a bunch of cockroaches last time I was there. Tired of the thinning futons, as well (I think the never-used massage tables are now softer).

I am definitely coming in February and probably in March. Europe becomes nicer in April, so maybe just once that month. Keep me posted on your travel plan!

FT

Well after the holiday season, which was fun here in SP, I wanted to check out some of the lower-end clubs in o Centro.

Especially after getting blown off by this beautiful Garota that I met in a higher end club.

We met in Kilt a while back, we made plans to hang out for the day after Christmas, we talked by phone the night before and she just no-showed, with no message, nada.

Kind of hurt my 'mo-jo'.

Anyway, I got over it hahaha and made a vist to o Centro yesterday.

Some of the lower end places.

Out of nowhere, in a sea of some not so pretty girls, I saw this absolutely beautiful morena with long hair and green eyes.

I thought I was hallucinating.

Anyway, I asked the 'Tia'to call her over and away we went.

I spent the next couple hours with her.

Not only did I want to make love to her but I wanted to talk with her and at least try to get her to like me a bit and gain her trust, so I could see her, in the future, at my place.

Anyway, today I went back to see her, told the 'Tia'that I wanted to stay with this moreninha for a while.

The 'Tia'told me it would cost me 60R per hour, thinking I would balk at such diniero hahaha, and I said 'tudo bom'and showed her that I had the cash.

I ended up hangin out with this garota for 3 hours.

I brought some gifts from Victoria Secret which they all love and brought my WALKMAN with built-in speakers and we listened to music, and just kissed and made love and all the good stuff.

I convinced her to go out for dinner later this evening and we'll see what happens.

This girl is more beautiful and definitely sweeter than most I've seen in the high end clubs, and though it's unbelieveable, there are some diamonds out there amongst the nasty in the low end clubs.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1109112]That could be Almotu. Do you have any info? Is Washington in charge or has he moved to W Garden with Edson?

GK[/QUOTE]I have never met Washington as I never went to W. In general, I am not a fan of high end clubs. Because of the shitty shape that the USD is in, even Bomboa is more than I would like to spend. I went to Connection in Sept and had a nice time without sessioning. There was a decent amount of eye candy and the buffet was good.

Your experience sounds great. Which place in Centro did you meet your new angel? I hope we will get to hang out this year!

I get to go to Central America often, but rarely get south of MDE. Last year, I went to Rio for a few days and loved it.

I have the opportunity to go to Sao Paulo for less than a week next month. Could someone give me a quick run-down on the SP scene?

I really enjoyed the termas of Rio, Ipanema Beach, and even got to hang out in front of Helpe disco before it closed down. I speak Spanish and have a some Portuguese tapes I can listen to before going.

Or "garota friendly?"

Howard Johnson Faria Lima?

Golden Tower?

Tryp Itiam?

Radison Faria Lima?

Bon Vivant closed in early November, but some of the girls told me it is supposed to reopen again at a different location in January.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1107409]Rumours say that Bahamas might reopen January. If this is the truth the SP situation is pretty similar in terms of the high end boate scene as when I started travelling to SP ten years ago:

- Cafe Photo (still around but relocated to a better place).

- Bahamas (reopened).

- W (changed name to W Garden but still same owner and location).

- Bomboa (still the same).

- Cafe Millenium (renovated and reopened with new name Scandallo Club).

- Kilt Shows (new owners but same location).

I can't wait to go back in March after a years absence.

Does anyone know the current situation of:

- Cafe Gauguin (Brooklin)

- Bon Vivant (Jardim Paulista. Formerly Donna Cafe)

- Fazendinha (Campinas)

The only thing missing now is Gigi back or a replacement.

GK[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I hope this is the right place for this:

I am a senior (60+) who will be batching it for a month in Sao Paulo from late Jan to early Mar. I would like to go out with men of the same status to savour SP heterosexual nightlife.

If you are in need of a wingman, contact me.

Jim (is not dead) Morison

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1112146]Guys,

I hope this is the right place for this:

I am a senior (60+) who will be batching it for a month in Sao Paulo from late Jan to early Mar. I would like to go out with men of the same status to savour SP heterosexual nightlife.

If you are in need of a wingman, contact me.

Jim (is not dead) Morison[/QUOTE]Hi Jim,

I would direct your attention to report #1100, for the very comprehensive map that Full Throttle has compiled. That should give you a real good start as far as WHERE to go. It is one FANTASTIC map. I'm afraid I'm going to miss you by a few months. I'm a little younger than you are, but not by much. I had the double nickels last summer. I hope you enjoy Sampa as much as I have.

Rick,

Thanks for your post. I have already been perusing FT's map. He should get a Paypal account so we reward him. It is a treasure.

I have ventured to Augusta Street three times on my own and ClinicasMyWay twice. ClinicasMyWay was good on my own. However, I would like a buddy to carouse bars with.

For others who are reading this, I have extensive experience in being a wingman or the general in Asia, ie Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore and Thailand. I know that 63 sounds old but think of it this way, I make the younger guys look better. LOL.

Other replies such as Rick's are much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Rickm0755; 1112228]Hi Jim,

I would direct your attention to report #1100, for the very comprehensive map that Full Throttle has compiled. That should give you a real good start as far as WHERE to go. It is one FANTASTIC map. I'm afraid I'm going to miss you by a few months. I'm a little younger than you are, but not by much. I had the double nickels last summer. I hope you enjoy Sampa as much as I have. [/QUOTE]

Thanks to Almot's post, I will try RedWay when I return on Jan 24. I use the Metro frequently so I have no worry there. When I get to Ana Rosa, I will take a taxi.

I learned the hard way in Philippines about being a white haired guy out after dark.

I will report after my encounter.

Hi folks.

I (age 34) will be in sp in January for a week. As it will be the first time for me in brazil I need some help from you guys. So, what do you recommend in this area? Known strip clubs, pick-up places, massage places and clinicas? Anyone knows whether the royal hotel is chica friendly or if the staff there even provides them (you know."under the hand"..). What's the best deal to get a good exprience?

Which are the best places to meet (willing) regulars while having a beer, which place to watch girls, meet working girls. Do you recommend any web-pages or are pick-up places (e. G. My love etc.) better?

Please give me all your input, be it pictures, web-adresses or names of cool places.

Thanks and enjoy life,

Raul

For Jim and anyone else who might need to have some information about something other than mongering in Sampa. There's a website called AngloInfo, (just add dot com, if you want to go there) that has a plethora of information about things you might want to know, if you're in Sampa for anything more than a week or two, ie: Business services, Financial & Legal, Sports & Leisure (if you're looking to take a break from mongering and shoot 18 holes) , Food & Drink, etc. No, I'm not trying to steer anyone there. I found the site, found it extremely helpful, and wanted to pass the info along. Typically the advertisers speak at least some English (but not all by any means) , so if your Portuguese is not the greatest, you should still be able to accomplish your task without too many problems. Oh yeah, almost forgot, it's a free website, no popups, just a lot of good information.

It has been a long time since I have been to Sao Paulo, but next week I am scheduled to fly through, on my way to Manaus. I arrive late Sunday night, and found a beautiful GDP, highly rated on gpguia. Net, named Bruninha Sargentelli. She has agreed to meet me at my hotel and spend the night with me (I will arrive at 1 am on Monday morning; otherwise I would simply head out for Kilt). She asked me to make her an offer on the price of staying with me until 9 am the next day "Enquanto ao ao valor Dinheiro, faça sua proposta.".

[url]http://brunasargentelli[/url][dot]********[dot]com/

between the [dot]s, insert "********" (I have no idea why Jackson makes it so difficult to post a URL on the board. It seems this would be something natural to encourage).

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Can any of you mongerer's suggest to me what would be a reasonable offer? I have read the forum for over an hour without a good idea! thanks

[QUOTE=Forest; 1113496]It has been a long time since I have been to Sao Paulo, but next week I am scheduled to fly through, on my way to Manaus. I arrive late Sunday night, and found a beautiful GDP, highly rated on gpguia. Net, named Bruninha Sargentelli. She has agreed to meet me at my hotel and spend the night with me (I will arrive at 1 am on Monday morning; otherwise I would simply head out for Kilt). She asked me to make her an offer on the price of staying with me until 9 am the next day "Enquanto ao ao valor Dinheiro, faça sua proposta.".

[url]http://brunasargentelli[/url]

[dot]*[dot]com/

Between the [dot]s, insert "*" (I have no idea why Jackson makes it so difficult to post a URL on the board. It seems this would be something natural to encourage).

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Can any of you mongerer's suggest to me what would be a reasonable offer? I have read the forum for over an hour without a good idea! Thanks[/QUOTE]She usually takes 250$ for 1. 5hrs.

She seems to perform BBJCIM.

Seen the time you keep her busy, I would offer 350$: You might be jet lagged, tired of the trip and the late hour, so from 2am till 9am, it is a fair offer.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1113588]She usually takes 250$ for 1. 5hrs.

She seems to perform BBJCIM.

Seen the time you keep her busy, I would offer 350$: You might be jet lagged, tired of the trip and the late hour, so from 2am till 9am, it is a fair offer. [/QUOTE]Yes, it is true that she appears to BBJTCIM, but one never knows. I thought, given the fact that she charges 250BR for a session, and I will probably do three sessions (I am hardly phased by travel) , I might go a little higher. Sounds like my 500BR offer will not be insulting! I will let you know what she says.

Incidentally, her web site is: [url]http://brunasargentelli[/url][dot]blog$pot[dot]com; the "$" is an "s".

Hopefully that will get past Jackson's censoring software!

[QUOTE=Forest; 1113787]Yes, it is true that she appears to BBJTCIM, but one never knows. I thought, given the fact that she charges 250BR for a session, and I will probably do three sessions (I am hardly phased by travel) , I might go a little higher. Sounds like my 500BR offer will not be insulting! I will let you know what she says.

Incidentally, her web site is:

[url]http://brunasargentelli[/url]

[dot]blog$pot[dot]com; the "$" is an "s".

Hopefully that will get past Jackson's censoring software! [/QUOTE]I once paid 500$ for an overnight with a girl from a clinica (in my hotel, I picked her up after work at 09. 30pm amd she left at 7am)

Very nice. GFE, BBBJ, but at the end I thought having overpaid, seen the prices of the GdP.

Do not forget you take her in odd hours, ie when she is not going to earn anything and you will not be doing one deed after the other.

I have noticed lots of girls announce BBBJ and some leave the option of CIM.

If they do so in their profiles it is quite likely it really happens.

Otherwise they would not even offer it.

Most of them promise CIM based on hygiene. I rate that this goes along as one presents himself and also how often he sees the same girl.

Have done 2+3 (MMFFF) at Lido a few months ago and it did not take much to get CIM from two of them, albeit a toy was used with condom! So strange behaviour as I rate a (cleaned) toy gives more safety than a dick! .

And they were asking to give them milk in the mouth (and really meaning that!) : awsome!

GdP seem quite open to lots of actions, including anal, and 3-somes (MFF) is quite popular and standard

Does anyone know, Redway's hours of operation.

I'll be in SP this thurs and want to try out Rua Augusta but don't want to go there alone for the first time. PM me.

Otherwise I just hit the usual boites

[QUOTE=JimMorison;1114173]Does anyone know, Redway's hours of operation.[/QUOTE]Like most of the other prives in São Paulo,

From Monday to Friday: 10hto 22:30h / 23:00h.

Saturday: from 12h to 22h.

Sunday: closed

R$100 for 1h

[QUOTE=Hobbying; 1114249]I'll be in SP this thurs and want to try out Rua Augusta but don't want to go there alone for the first time. PM me.

Otherwise I just hit the usual boites[/QUOTE]Rua Augusta is no problem going alone, especially on Thursday thru Saturday, lots of people about till the wee hours.

Just don't dress up with gold chains and watches and all that bling, you'll be fine.

Try the clubs, Casarao and Maison, my two favorites on Augusta.

I find Casarao has the best quality on Augusta and is non- ripoff.

At Maison there is a doorman, chubby guy, named Garcia.

He speaks portuguese, spanish and english. A good, helpful guy.

A little further down Augusta, across from Kilt, is the club, My Love. I like that place too.

Went there the other night, the quality has improved there again.

They are also a straight forward non-ripoff place.

I mention these clubs, because I have found a few others where they will lie about the quantity / quality of girls working and have tried to pad the bill.

Have fun!

speaking of casarao on augusta.

i stopped by there the other night on the way home from visiting an amiga, it was a monday so i was expecting it to be slow, plus i was already feeling content because i already had plenty of fun with my friend earlier.

i was surprised to find some pretty hot garotas walking and dancing about.

i was kind of dehydrated so i was just drinking a couple bottles of water with my 10r entrance fee (ya get 2 drinks with that) and was planning on just a quick look at the girls before calling it a night.

i spotted, however, this beautiful, very light skin garota, who turned out to be from florianopolis.

she was about 5 foot 5 inches tall, slender but with curves and very sexy.

she was dancing sexily for this guy trying to entice him, showing off her bunda, giving peeks of her bucetinha and little but nice chest.

i really wanted to meet her, and when the brazillian guy split, i moved in.

she was nice and fun and even though i was tired, i thought wtf, and off we went.

i just offered her 100r for in house and she said 'tudo bem'.

i asked her if she was 'carinhosa' (loving) and she said she was whatever i wanted her to be hahaha.

she was great, and i hope to see her again soon outside the club and hopefully some fotos.

you just never know what you're going to find, even on a typically slow monday night.

i love your attitude, ricker. you are a man open to love.

[quote=ricker; 1114540]speaking of casarao on augusta.

i stopped by there the other night on the way home from visiting an amiga, it was a monday so i was expecting it to be slow, plus i was already feeling content because i already had plenty of fun with my friend earlier.

i was surprised to find some pretty hot garotas walking and dancing about.

i was kind of dehydrated so i was just drinking a couple bottles of water with my 10r entrance fee (ya get 2 drinks with that) and was planning on just a quick look at the girls before calling it a night.

i spotted, however, this beautiful, very light skin garota, who turned out to be from florianopolis.

she was about 5 foot 5 inches tall, slender but with curves and very sexy.

she was dancing sexily for this guy trying to entice him, showing off her bunda, giving peeks of her bucetinha and little but nice chest.

i really wanted to meet her, and when the brazillian guy split, i moved in.

she was nice and fun and even though i was tired, i thought wtf, and off we went.

i just offered her 100r for in house and she said 'tudo bem'.

i asked her if she was 'carinhosa' (loving) and she said she was whatever i wanted her to be hahaha.

she was great, and i hope to see her again soon outside the club and hopefully some fotos.

you just never know what you're going to find, even on a typically slow monday night. [/quote]

[QUOTE=JimMorison;1114543]I love your attitude, Ricker. You are a man open to love.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, well thanks.

Ya know, that particular night that I met the garota from Florianopolis, I just knew that if I didn't hang with her, I would regret it later.

Though I normally dig the morenas, this white girl was just so sexy.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1114533]Rua Augusta is no problem going alone, especially on Thursday thru Saturday, lots of people about till the wee hours.

Just don't dress up with gold chains and watches and all that bling, you'll be fine.

Try the clubs, Casarao and Maison, my two favorites on Augusta.

I find Casarao has the best quality on Augusta and is non- ripoff.

At Maison there is a doorman, chubby guy, named Garcia.

He speaks portuguese, spanish and english. A good, helpful guy.

A little further down Augusta, across from Kilt, is the club, My Love. I like that place too.

Went there the other night, the quality has improved there again.

They are also a straight forward non-ripoff place.

I mention these clubs, because I have found a few others where they will lie about the quantity / quality of girls working and have tried to pad the bill.

Have fun! [/QUOTE]There used to be a place opposite to Kilt called Vagao (sp?) where the Chinese mob in SP used to hang. Lots of hot caucasian college girls in there. Haven't visited the city in 5 years. Any news on this joint?

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1114702]There used to be a place opposite to Kilt called Vagao (sp?) where the Chinese mob in SP used to hang. Lots of hot caucasian college girls in there. Haven't visited the city in 5 years. Any news on this joint?[/QUOTE]Vagao used to be my favorite place in Sao Paulo. Like Grand Hotel Ca de Oro, Vagao is closed.

Hey guys,

Any update in the reopening of the Bahamas?

Gentlemen and others,

I visited Redway for the first time at about 6 pm (still light out in Brazil). I took the Metro to Ana Rosa, exited onto Verguerio St walked 200m to Machado de Assis, made left and walked downhill for about 400m. The neighborhood was lower middle class but there was nothing or no one who made me feel unsafe.

I did not use the buzzer that was available but just pushed on the yard door which was open. It opens to small courtyard which I traversed to the open door of the house.

At that point, I saw many girls in the kitchen area and did not know exactly what I should do. However, I was soon shown to the living room area with a ceverja gelado in my hand. The living (waiting) room was clean and some attempt had been made at decorating.

The hostess seemed quite anxious to get the girls ready for the walkby but I told her to relax, I was quite enjoying my beer at the time. Ten minutes later and my thirst quenched, the girl walkby began. I think I had a choice of 10. This is where I always feel dumb. There are so many girls that I can not remember which ones I liked. Does anyone have a method to remember your choices without having a pen and paper. LOL?

I guessed that #2 was a good choice. I was thinking of a blond but when #2 was brought to me, she was not blond but I instantly revised my choice to this girl. Vivienne. I asked the pirce and was told R100 for an hour.

Vivienne took me upstairs to a spacious room with a king sized bed. Mirrors at the head and a TV that I wished I owned, it must have been 48" across. I had the customary shower which I had to cross the hall to. This was a negative because I had to wait for someone else using it there only being one bathroom for the upstairs.

After my shower, I waited for Vivienne. When she re-entered the room, she had a captivating T back on which she proceeded to model very close to my appreciative eyes. After some play, she gave the extra menu that she would supply for an extra R100. The extra, R100, entitled me to a blowjob and anal. I took this special and we proceeded to play.

At my age. 63, I did not think she could get me to cum twice in 1 hour but she had secret talents which made it very easy to accomplish that feat. I had availed myself of the blowjob but used her pussy for the second happy ending. Vivienne wanted me to do the anal too but I told her that I was empty. She tried to revive me and would not take "No" for an answer until I said it 5 or 6 times. She was certainly. Satisfaction-guaranteed. Vivenne was quite willing to chat the rest of the hour away but I was content and ready to leave.

I left happy and the fuel tank on empty. Vivienne asked whether I wanted a taxi but I declined as it was still light out. But I would use a taxi if it was dark out. I will return as it only took me a total of 30 minutes travel there and back so I can use Redway as a quickie spot.

If you have any questions that I did not cover, feel free to ask. I hope this helps the membership.

Privê Redway.

- Endereço: Rua Machado de Assis. 449. Vila Mariana.

- Tel : 5081. 7195/5571. 8334

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1115285]Hey guys,

Any update in the reopening of the Bahamas? [/QUOTE]Three days and no answers yet. Bump!

Came across this place on the corner of Avenida Cidade Jardim and Rua Dr. Mario Ferraz. Looks to be a bar ala Bomboa. Talked to the bouncers outside and asked what the place was about and they said "strip bar". Anyone out there know of this place? The lone bouncer guy that spoke English outside said entrance fee was R$ 100, but for me and my mate it would only be R $50 each. That's strictly the entrance fee, and not consumable like Bomboa. Have been staying at the Radisson a block away and have passed this place every day. I'm intrigued, but I always do my homework before venturing into unknown territories. Any background on this establishment? Seems as if the bouncer said the name of the place is "luxury" in Portuguese.

Excellent Post JM, thanks.

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1116170]Gentlemen and others,

I visited Redway for the first time at about 6 pm (still light out in Brazil). I took the Metro to Ana Rosa, exited onto Verguerio St walked 200m to Machado de Assis, made left and walked downhill for about 400m. The neighborhood was lower middle class but there was nothing or no one who made me feel unsafe.

Privê Redway.

- Endereço: Rua Machado de Assis. 449. Vila Mariana.

- Tel : 5081. 7195/5571. 8334[/QUOTE]

Before reading this report, be certain to read my first report on Redway. , report # 1132.

I returned to Redway about a week later. As soon as I entered the premises, the mamasan came rushing up to me and said that I paid too much the last time. If you read the first report, you'll know that I had paid Vivienne R100 for her extra services, and then I paid mamasan R100 as well.

But according to mamasan, I was only supposed to pay R100 in total. So I guess, when Vivienne came downstairs, she gave mamasan the R100 that I had given her.

So mamasan said that my action today was free. Delighted, I chose Fernanda and proceeded to do the nasty deed.

When I came downstairs this time, I knew I did not have to pay mamasan any money, but I decided that I was going to give her R50 just for her honesty. She would not take the money even though I pressed her to take it.

I think this report tells a lot about Redway.

[QUOTE=Chris Gomez;1116700]Came across this place on the corner of Avenida Cidade Jardim and Rua Dr. Mario Ferraz. Looks to be a bar ala Bomboa. Talked to the bouncers outside and asked what the place was about and they said "strip bar". Anyone out there know of this place? The lone bouncer guy that spoke English outside said entrance fee was R$ 100, but for me and my mate it would only be R $50 each. That's strictly the entrance fee, and not consumable like Bomboa. Have been staying at the Radisson a block away and have passed this place every day. I'm intrigued, but I always do my homework before venturing into unknown territories. Any background on this establishment? Seems as if the bouncer said the name of the place is "luxury" in Portuguese.[/QUOTE]Stay away from this place. It's a boite with high priced drinks and talent is so so. Decided to finally check this place out the other night. The place was very very modern, and well kept, but the talent inside was just not up to par. Got there around 10 pm and I was the first customer of the day. Was able to chat up one of the bouncer (Fabio) who happened to speak English and he said the place didn't really get busy until midnight or so. Wasn't willing to wait that long, so only decided to stay for 1 drink. Damage was R$ 50 which I had bargained down from R$ 100 the other night. The lone can of beer that I had was R$ 30. I figure by the time you get out of this place, you can easily shell down a couple hundred Reais. I'd rather throw my money down at Bomboa where the talent is better.

I'm attaching their business card in case anybody out there is interested in checking this place out.

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1117695]But according to mamasan, I was only supposed to pay R100 in total. So I guess, when Vivienne came downstairs, she gave mamasan the R100 that I had given her.

So mamasan said that my action today was free.

I think this report tells a lot about Redway. [/QUOTE]I can vouch for this kind of service in the Redway. The first time I went there, five years ago, I didn't have enough money on me because 1) it was an exploratory visit 2) my intent was to pay with my credit card (and this option is not available there). Vanie said to me: « Pick up a girl and pay me later » (I came back the day after to pay her).

Still my favorite prîvé in São Paulo

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1117695]Before reading this report, be certain to read my first report on Redway. , report # 1132.

I returned to Redway about a week later. As soon as I entered the premises, the mamasan came rushing up to me and said that I paid too much the last time. If you read the first report, you'll know that I had paid Vivienne R100 for her extra services, and then I paid mamasan R100 as well.

But according to mamasan, I was only supposed to pay R100 in total. So I guess, when Vivienne came downstairs, she gave mamasan the R100 that I had given her.

So mamasan said that my action today was free. Delighted, I chose Fernanda and proceeded to do the nasty deed.

When I came downstairs this time, I knew I did not have to pay mamasan any money, but I decided that I was going to give her R50 just for her honesty. She would not take the money even though I pressed her to take it.

I think this report tells a lot about Redway. [/QUOTE]I stopped by Redway the other day also.

Hadn't been there in a while so I wanted to check it out.

Though I didn't find the lineup of garotas that great really, for my tastes anyway, I did really enjoy talking with the 2 ladies running the place.

I sat and talked with them for a good 20 minutes, them asking what type of girl I liked and just joking around a bit.

They asked me to stop by next week and call before I came so they could ensure I had my type (morena magra / thin with dark skin) working that day.

Really nice ladies, I'll be back to see what they come up with :)

Anyone an opinion on this place? Taxi driver tried to get me to go there. Decided to go for some sleep instead. Did I miss something?

Any recent info on Garden Club at Rua Alvorada. 550 in Itaim?

It looks like Edson is back running it now, now sure about Washington?

I had been to the WE several times when Edson and Washington were running it before it was shut down several years ago and they usually had a good selection of girls from the south.

If anyone has been to the Garden Club recently please provide an update on who is running it and quality of girls.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1044320]Cafe Gauguin, Connection VIP and Mysterium (ex-Conniff) are some other clubs that I visited in the past but don't know if they are operating anymore or if the quality is still up.

There are cheaper bars with trashy on-site rooms on Av. Augusta which should be visited as well.

Just enjoy yourself. Please post your itinerary in the Travel Plans thread. We might be there at the same time! [/QUOTE]I can confirm that Cafe Gauguin is open. 150 Reals to get in includes one drink. Probably better to go early, was quite dead with 5 average girls when I went at 1AM, did not partake but would guess the quotes are still around 500-600 Reals for ST.

Picked up a sweetie from Kilt on a Sunday night. 500 R$ for TLN but she apologized for taking money and explained that she is a student by day, probably BS but sounded true. She is from Bahia, wish I could remember her name! She has a tremendous smile and a gracious body (with huge labias!). I found out at the bar when she rubbed against my hand that she was not wearing any underwear, which kind of did it for me.

Does anyone know if Sao Paulo clubs / bars / monger places are open on Saturdays / Sundays or do they start slowing down / closed by the weekend?

[QUOTE=Forest; 1113787]Yes, it is true that she appears to BBJTCIM, but one never knows. I thought, given the fact that she charges 250BR for a session, and I will probably do three sessions (I am hardly phased by travel) , I might go a little higher. Sounds like my 500BR offer will not be insulting! I will let you know what she says.

Incidentally, her web site is:

[url]http://brunasargentelli[/url]

[dot]blog$pot[dot]com; the "$" is an "s".

Hopefully that will get past Jackson's censoring software! [/QUOTE]This woman was fantastic. Her looks are exactly like her blog, a tiny bit on the chubby side (I like them thin, so in this respect she was different than my normal choice in GDP) , big tits, big bunda. Very very clean and tidy, with a little runway down below. She smelled and tasted great. She is an excellent kisser and if you like DFK, she will oblige very well.

First off, my AA flight to Sao Paulo from Miami got delayed 7 hours, so instead of arriving at 11 pm Sunday night, I arrive at 6 am Monday morning. Fortunately, I am through customs and on my way before traffic is horrible. I call Bruna at 6:45 am and ask her to meet me at my hotel. She is soundly sleeping, but says she will be there at 8:30 am- and arrives on time. This is a first in my experience with Brazilian GDP. I was amazed that she even picked up her cell phone at 6:45, much less agreed to get down to business shortly thereafter.

She arrived in my hotel, and seeing I was exhausted suggested a shower followed by a BBBJ followed by some sex and a nap. Just the right plan! Yes, she does allow CIM, and she is good at getting you hard again after coming, and she was genuinely enthusiastic. I could tell I was going to enjoy my hard day at work (officially, I was working!).

After a few hours, I woke up and the fun resumed. I performed some fellatio which she adored, and insisted on my continuing until she had a real orgasm (no acting here). This was followed by a round of sex using all three available holes and my third climax of the day. She is good at anal, is very tight, but it is clearly a little uncomfortable for her. Nevertheless, she was all for it whenever I suggested I was up for some old fashioned greek. We got up, ate lunch, and went back for a third round, which lasted a very long time due to the fact that there was less fuel in the tank. This gave me the opportunity to explore a lot of positions, including one I had never tried before (at her suggestion).

Another happy ending resulted in a very reasonable 500 reals gift to the young lady and a promise to return to her bed the next time I pass through Sao Paulo. All in all, she spent 7 1/2 hours with me, had sex with me three times and pretty much did everything I asked. The only thing that is off the menu is bareback FS.

This woman simply has the right attitude. As I took the cab back to GRU for my trip to Manaus, I thought back on all of the GDPs I have known over the years, and she was certainly in the top 10 for attitude, the top 10 for sexual ability and very nice looking.

Highly recommended

[QUOTE=Forest; 1120067]Another happy ending resulted in a very reasonable 500 reals gift to the young lady and a promise to return to her bed the next time I pass through Sao Paulo. All in all, she spent 7 1/2 hours with me, had sex with me three times and pretty much did everything I asked. The only thing that is off the menu is bareback FS.

This woman simply has the right attitude. As I took the cab back to GRU for my trip to Manaus, I thought back on all of the GDPs I have known over the years, and she was certainly in the top 10 for attitude, the top 10 for sexual ability and very nice looking.

Highly recommended[/QUOTE]Sounds great. I am happy that your plans panned out even though the airline f*cked up!
Did you first contact her via e-mail to express your desire for a multi-pop LT session? From the photos on her blog, it looks to me that she has implants, no? Which hotel did you session in? Did she ask for taxi money? Would she go for 2 hours for 250R?

Again, kudos.

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1120190]Sounds great. I am happy that your plans panned out even though the airline f*cked up!

Did you first contact her via e-mail to express your desire for a multi-pop LT session? From the photos on her blog, it looks to me that she has implants, no? Which hotel did you session in? Did she ask for taxi money? Would she go for 2 hours for 250R?

Again, kudos. [/QUOTE]Yes, I contacted her by email that I wanted her to meet me at my hotel at 1 am and spend 8 hours with me. I told her I would not sleep during the night and offered her 500 reals, to which she agreed. She insisted that I call her before sealing the deal.

I was at a Mercure, I think it was Paraiso. Frankly, I think Mercure Jardins is much nicer, but this one is closer to the airport. No charge for bringing Bruna to the room.

Yes, she has implants. I must admit, these do not appeal to me a lot. But, it was her attitude that I enjoyed so much.

No, she did not ask for taxi money.

I assume she would go for 2 hours at 250 BR, because that is what she advertises. I never asked. I really wanted a girl by my side for the entire time I was in Sao Paulo who would be willing to do as much or as little as I wanted over my brief layover. I found what I wanted.

Help a fellow monger out! Will be going to Sao Paulo this week for five nights, Tuesday. Sunday. Been to Rio once, never to SP. Will be staying at Howard Johnson. Speak Spanish, can understand Portuguese.

Please recommend prives / clinicas a newbie could go to via cab.

Have tried reading the last two hundred posts, but could could not make heads or tails of many of them. Arguments between different posters just left me confused.

[QUOTE=Iguana Six; 1122906]Help a fellow monger out! Will be going to Sao Paulo this week for five nights, Tuesday. Sunday. Been to Rio once, never to SP. Will be staying at Howard Johnson. Speak Spanish, can understand Portuguese.

Please recommend prives / clinicas a newbie could go to via cab.

Have tried reading the last two hundred posts, but could could not make heads or tails of many of them. Arguments between different posters just left me confused.[/QUOTE]I would direct your attention to the post that Full Throttle made (#1100) , where he has a veritable plethora of clinicas & prives listed. I don't know where the HoJo is, but I'm sure that you can find something fairly close. Full Throttle deserves MANY, MANY kudos for this post.

I am not very good looking. Will I be wasting my time in clubs? Should I straight head to clinicas or other pros? I would like to enjoy club scene and shake the booty. Might as well pick a nice girl. I am wealthy and average built.

Thanks yall!

Had a chance to stop by my favorite Augusta club on Saturday night, Casarao.

Got there at about 11 pm and the door guy said it was still slow inside and to come back at midnight.

So I took a stroll down the Avenida, got a little bite to eat, did some girl watching and came back at midnight and the guy gave me a thumbs up.

Those door guys there are really cool and I've gotten to know them a bit.

Anyway, inside the club was hoppin' and I spotted some nice looking garotas, and not too many guys really.

Once again, I was really just in for a beer or so and to do some recon, but as always, I spotted a real beauty and just had to meet her.

On this vist, I met a garota from Rio and she had a beautiful face and smile and nice bronzed skin with the blonde hairs on her arms that look so sexy, and a soooo very sexy bunda.

We chatted for a good while.

She had a great sense of humor and was very touchy feely and friendly, and when she she gave me a light but sensual kiss on the lips, I was hooked.

Funny thing is, and I rarely do this, if ever, but we went to pay for the session before going upstairs and never discussed price.

It was a combo of me being a bit tired and very infatuated hahaha :)

Anyway, as is done in Casarao, we walked over to the door were you pay before moving on upstairs for play, and the lady taking the money (who I'm also amigos with now) asked my new amiguinha how much, and she just said 150R, which included the room.

The lady gave me a quick look for approval, and I shot a thumbs up and a smile and was even happier now that this beautiful garota really did me right, not trying to gouge me, basically 125R for her and 25R for the room.

I've gotten a better price there but I just do not or did not want to haggle over 20-30R for this gem of a girl.

Anyway, had my best experience yet in Casarao, and had one of those times when I felt as though I was dreaming, making love to such a beautiful woman.

She was fun and sensual but not over-faking with silly noises and phrases, which I don't like.

Great time, and of course I got her number, and set up a tentative date for dinner then fun together at my hotel for this coming weekend.

I told her I'd help her out with $100 US to hang together for a bit and if she wanted, all night.

She gave me a smile and a "tudo bem meu amor".

Just another fun night at Casarao.

I need help fellas. My wingman and I are looking for reasonably priced hotel / apts for the end of Feb and I've been searching for the last 1 1/2 hrs and my head is spinning. Looking to spend on average $80-90 pr night. I found a few but don't know of they're girl friendly. Does anyone have any experience with any of these and can tell me if any are chica friendly?

Mercure Sao Paulo Jardins.

Mercure Sao Paulo Central Towers.

Mercure Sao Paulo Paulista.

" " " Paraiso.

" " " Stella Vega.

" " " Pinheiros.

Thanks for any help

I'm stuck in Alphaville for a few days and can't seem to find any action. Anybody have any suggestions? So many companies have moved their offices out here that I'm sure there has got to be something. I love going Francebel & Cafe Photo, but cabbing it into town from here is a R. $120 each way, and blows out the budget. I'll be in Rio later in the we, so maybe I should just be patient.

Two days ago, I was very frustrated. I had scoured this site for most an afternoon, cutting and pasting prive and clinica names and addresses onto a e-mail I would send myself. Well, I sent it, but it never got into my inbox. Wasted a few hours and had to backtrack to recover most of it.

I flew out yesterday. From my town to ATL, from ATL to GRU. Left the house after 3pm, did not get to SP until after 8am the next morning. Tough flight. Seat did not recline very much and did not get much sleep. Food was pretty decent, and the seat backs were equipped with little LED displays. Watched episode after episode of TV shows I missed, and it made four hours of the flight go by quick. Except everytime the crew put something out on the PA system, it interrupted my watching.

Spent almost an hour on in line to get to immigration. I think they loaded the Titanic in less time. Listened to a book on tape to pass the time. Nobody from customs stopped me. Breezed out of there and got a cab. It wasn't rush hour, but it once we got into town, the traffic was murder. Fortunately, I exchanged $100 so I had enough to pay the cabbie. Checked in. My hotel is in the Pinheiros area, so it is faaaaar from any prives or clinicas. Curses.

After changing more money, getting some supplies from the Carrefour at the nearby mall, and showering, I tried to take a nap to rest up for the evening's festivities, but just could not wait. Using the address list, I hailed a cab and started asking the cabbie what was the closest place.

When I had read about the sizeable Japanese population, I started obessing about sampling one. So I had the cabbie take me to Clinica Cherry. Unfortunately, it was during rush hour (which runs from 4pm to almost 8pm) and it was raining, so traffic was a mess. It cost me R35 to get there.

After changing more money (I have GOT to figure out where I can get more than $1=R161!), getting some supplies from the Carrefour at the nearby mall, and showering, I tried to take a nap to rest up for the evening's festivities, but just could not wait. Using the address list, I hailed a cab and started asking the cabbie what was the closest place.

Clinica Cherry was clean and well run. The waiting room had a large screen TV connected to a DVD player that had professionally done photospreads of the providers. Sayuri was long gone, so I wasn't getting my yellow fever shot today....or was I? The guest relations officer ran Tammy's photo spread a second time when I asked if there were any mestizas, then had Tammy come out and greet me. She was a tall (173cm) Japinha/Brasilienia mix, with a nice smile, some interesting tats, a bunda that went Brazilian, and breasts that could not decide which side of her family tree to go with, so they were mid-sized, but not firm at all.

I pulled the trigger based on her pics and her pleasant demeanor when she came out to introduce herself in the waiting room. I was led to the room. It had a tatami mat on the floor, with a futon on top of it. There was toopaste in a sachet and a disposable toothbrush, as well as disposable sandals. Nice touch. Clean and organized and efficient. I was half way through my shower when she came in. Ever have a session when you know in the first five minutes you are going to have chemistry and make a new friend? It was a great session. While she was a 7/8 in looks, she was a 9 in technique, a 10 in being able to turn on the heat, and gave as good as she got. I was her first customer of the day (she said she came in late, like 230pm, that day). We hit it off so well, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CIM I got it all without asking, although I did not ask for anal. Maybe on our second date. A real GFE. When her eyes were not rolling up inside of her head and moaning like she was auditioning for a role as a phantasm in the Broadway production of Ghostbusters, she made me laugh. She banged me like a screen door in a hurricane, or like a retarded kid with a drum set. Afterwards, we cuddled and exchanged digits. She has real potential for what I should do on Sunday when I check out of the hotel at noon, but my plane does not leave until late at night.

Afterwards, I went back to the waiting room. While waiting for the rush hour traffic to die down (futile as it was still bumper to bumper by 7:45 pm,) I gave the TV screen catalog an indepth study. Sabrina and Taty are some real possibilities. The rogues gallery had about 15 photo spreads, but there were on 4 working this afternoon. I paid with my credit card and they called me a cab. Price was R190, with no propina begging and a free drink while I made my selection.

I'm still jonesing for a nissei. Gentlmen of the forum, would you say that outcall escort from the interweb is a viable option? Is R200, R300, or even R500 too much to pay? [url]http://www.escortgirlbrazil.com/acompanhantes-orientais.htm[/url]

Had some time to kill during the morning, so I started calling the 3 clinicas near Plaza Morumbi whose info was in the SP list page. As it was early, some were open and answered, others did not. The ones that answered did not have any mesticas workign for them. Still, I figured taking one cab ride and landing in a neighborhood with several clinicas was a pretty productive way to use my time. After a frustrating cab ride. I swear, the meter kept ticking increased fares regardless of whether the cab was moving or whether it was caught in grid lock. I arrived at Espaco Moumbi.

(Rua Chafic Maluf. 101. Chacara Sto. Antonio. 5041-5129/5184-3648)

A nice converted house. Led to the waiting room, got a cold drink of water, flipped through the Brazilian edition of Playboy while I waited to stand up and receive a handshake and a peck on the cheek from the garotas as they filed in one by one to introduce themselves. Not a bad selection, but after meeting the first four, I held out to meet the late arrivals. Got a good vibe from a brunnette with what I assumed was a Paulina version of a "girl next door" face, the standard Brazilian bunda, tan lines, and a skin the color of hot chocolate. I like my women like I like my hot chocolate: hot, brown, and sweet. After convincing her to use a femi-dom, I pulled the trigger.

Natasha had changed from street clothes to a clingy, thin, white beach dress upon reporting in. It was like stuffing Jennifer Lopez into a T-shirt that was 4 sizes to small and then stretching it down to her butt. I was a bit disappointed by the extra weight she was carrying around her waist, but the smile was there, the tan-lines were tantalizing, and the contrast in color between her tanned and her untanned parts was interesting. She had several tattoos, which I usually do not like, but these included a delicate tapestry that started at her mid thigh and went up to mid torso, spiraling up her left side. A quality job and one that would have required to sit and stand buck naked while the tattoo artist did days of work. An avid beach goer, it must be a real treat for guys to check out.

I showered, she showered, we tried to communicate but I did not understand all of her Portuguese and she did not understand all of my Spanish. But we seemed to click. I skipped the massage and we just went straight to the forplay. Coming in early means you are the first customer of the day, sometimes the first in several days, so she had no trouble pouring on the affection and getting wet. She enjoyed DATY, but did not come, but as wet as she was, it was easy to slip in the femi-dom. The room had mirrors at the headboard and accross from the bed, one horizontal and one vertical. It made for nice BBBJ, although like many girls, she thought going up and down real fast was better. I slowed her down and it made for interesting visuals in the mirror. We did several positions by the time the phone rang. But I noticed it was at the half hour mark. She told me they just call every half hour unless you tell them how much time you want.

She was very vocal and came in cowgirl. Afterwards she went to shower right after, denying me some post-coital cuddling, but returned quickly and gave me a nice massage. She gave me her digits and seemed keen on the idea of meeting up on Sunday. It was only R110 for the hour and they take credit cards.

Afterwards, I took a cab to Clinica Kin. When I got there, I found out it was closed. So, I explored Berrini Massagens. Avenida Roque Petroni Jr. 245 (mesma avenida do Shopping Morumbi 5181-3585/ 5181-3667 *new phone numbers* IIRC they asked for r120 or R150 for 30/60 minutes) Seemed a tiny bit more upscale that Espaco Morumbi, with a deeper bench of slightly better talent. Crossed to the street to Akaza Massagem. Met the line up (I remembered Elen and Luana as stand outs) got the prices (R120/R150) and phone numbers 5181-3351/5181-7733.

Clinica Kin used to be across the street from Berrini Massagens, at 235 Avenida Roque Petroni Jr. Not anymore. A tout led me to their new location (Tv. Liberia Rivelino 210....behind the R. Joaquim Guarani altura do numero 200)
Brooklin Novo 5181-3062. While it was in a cul-de-sac behind a much larger apartment building, inside the interior was all sleek, classy furniture and tasteful interior decoratoration. The line up was incredible, at least 16 or 18 available for introductory peck on the cheek, more than half very doable, many tall curvy women, but there was more peroxided hair. Like the other three clinicas, there were no orientais or mestizas, but also no silicone.

Did my recon, got the business cards of all of them. Unfortunately, none are open on Sunday. (What gives!?!) Still jonesing for a japihna......

[QUOTE=BlkPanther; 1123655]I need help fellas. My wingman and I are looking for reasonably priced hotel / apts for the end of Feb and I've been searching for the last 1 1/2 hrs and my head is spinning. Looking to spend on average $80-90 pr night. I found a few but don't know of they're girl friendly. Does anyone have any experience with any of these and can tell me if any are chica friendly?

Mercure Sao Paulo Jardins.

Mercure Sao Paulo Central Towers.

Mercure Sao Paulo Paulista.

" " " Paraiso.

" " " Stella Vega.

" " " Pinheiros.

Thanks for any help[/QUOTE]Mercure Sao Paulo Jardins and Sao Paulo paulista are girl friendly. Stayed at the mercure sao paulo jardins and it was very girl friendly and most chicas seemed to be very familiar with the hotel

I have been spending most of my trip in Rio but I decided to take a few days to travel along the coast and visit Paraty, Ubatuba, and then stopped off in Sao Paulo for a couple of days. Don't really care much for the city but I do find the Paulista dames rather fetching. Didn't mess around here too much. However I paid an early noon visit to I massage place that I had heard of called Clinica Vision located at Av. Aclimação. 395 (Aclimação). First time visiting this place and I arrived there just a bit after 1PM. I was invited in and greeted by an older lady who called herself Patricia. Looking around, I accepted some Itaipava & noticed that the inside was set up like a boate and there was even a dining area futher back. I have to assume that later in the evening it operates sort of like a club. Patricia showed be a wall with the women that normally work there and also presented me with a book with the same massage girls and their "vital stats". She explained that since it was so early in the afternoon that many of the women weren't there yet and some were already occupied with clients. The two available ladies came out ot greet me. First was Gaby. Cute, chubby gal with blondish hair = not to my tastes. The second was Camille. Slim, dark-haired morena, with a nice little butt = winner. Patricia said that if I wanted to wait 2 hours then more options would arrive.

Not planning to wait that long I told her that since I like thin gals I would choose Camille. So Patricia gave me a key to a room and I went upstairs to get showered up. Camille came up shortly to greet me again. She undressed and it turned out she had an even better body than I had anticipated. The Devil was pleased with this developement. She showed no interest in pretending that we would actually engage in massage so we hopped on the bed & went right to the main course. Rather short BJ (covered) followed by a spirited 69 (her idea) and then we progressed through the standard fair of mission, cowgirl, doggy, spooning, etc. She also suggested that we do the nasty on the chair (regular chair; not a sex chair) but I gave that a pass (?). All-in-all, I had a decent time and certainly enjoyed her body. The sex was nothing Earth-shattering, but not so bad considering the price of R$210 for an hour. She was cool to talk to and seems to love the beach and açaí, also was quite insistent that I should visit the Museu de Ipiranga. Didn't have time on this pass through the city but will make it a point to do so on my next visit. When I go to Clinica Vision again I'll be sure to arrive in the evening when I figure the mood will be lively and of course more ladies available.

"O tempora, o mores"
- DSK

Hello, all,

I am trying to decide which hotel to book among the two:

Melia Jardim Europa OR Clarion Jardim Europa.

These are the only options I have from my business partner. Both these hotels have similar reviews. I can get other facts on tripadvisor, but what I really need to know is.

I) which among the two hotel is girl friendly?

Ii) which one has a nice & superior quality clinica within safe walking distance.

After work, I spent some time on the net searching for "acompanhante japinha sao paulo". I found a dozen or so classified ads and some ads from outcall services, but had no luck. A couple of numbers were expired, I got some answering services, or was told that the provider was not available. A second look at the posts on this thread regarding japinhas were two years old, and that the classified ads were from as long ago as three years ago. Sigh.

The traffic of SP is frustrating. Evening "rush hour" runs from 4 or 5 pm to 8pm. I'm staying in Pinhieros, so I'm far from the clinicas and prives and cabs are expensive. There is nothing more frustrating than watching the taxi meter clicking away while caught in grid lock.

I gave up the internet search and decided to return to the Morumbi cinicas I had toured the day before. Got into a cab before 8pm. Driver was asian and seemed bewildered by the address and map on the card provided by Clinica Kin. While I wanted to start at the place with the biggest and most promising line-up and then work my way down to Berrini and Akaza if I didn't find anything to my liking, I realized that I made a mistake. Clinica Kin's new location at 210 Libera Rivelino. 210, behind the big 200 Rua Guarani high rise, was hard to find and had I not gone there the day before, we would not have found it. Looking back, I should have gone to Berrini first and then worked my way from there to Akaza then Kin.

Anyway, Kin's classy waiting area had almost half a dozen local guys. Yesterday, during the early afternoon, there were 15 providers and only two customers. Today, some of the providers were busy, and only half a dozen providers came out to introduce themselves. I had met all of them the day before, and while they were still pretty, but I was. Gasp. Getting tired of big bundas. One caught my fancy, a tall peroxide blonde, but I noticed that her big butt had the consistency of Jello, and I got turned off. Knowing that these places close at 10pm, the slow pace of the introductions was dragging the process to almost 830pm and I had two other places to go to.

I walked to Akaza a few blocks away. It is almost next to Clinica Kin's old location. The previous day, they had a stable of ten, and I was impressed enough to have written down the names of Elen and Luana. They were slimmer and hand interesting faces. On this visit, they were not there. The line up was down to 4 or 5, and I was turned off by the braces and acne scars and blubber of a couple of them.

Crossed the street to Berrini. Again, a reduced line up. There was tall, european looking Alice of stern face but coke bottle figure (shapely butt and large bust) , but if she couldn't work up a smile in the introduction, would it change in the room? The other 3 or 4 introductions didn't rock my world, although I thought brunnette Carol had possibilities. The receptionist was dissappointed I didn't make a selection and asked me to reconsider Carol as it was 9pm. Not having any other prospects, I asked to see Carol again. She wore a this faux wet black leather slinky cocktail dress. Definitely not street wear. And I immediately thought "hmmm. Sao Paulo's version of "the spinner." What is a Sao Paulo spinner? Start with your average 100lb latina spinner, but add an extra 10lbs of bunda and an extra 5lbs of bust. She was a small girl with waste I could actually but my hands around. Not that my hands could touch each other if they did. With a medium sized girl's bunda and some breasts. The little dress showed off her butt, but when she took it off, I was pleased by the size of here rack.

I asked her if she would use a femidom, and while confused at first, she took it from me and said yes. I pulled the trigger, and went upstairs to shower. She joined me a few minutes later. That's the routine in these places. And showered. The room was simple. A love seat, a futon on the floor, and small mirror on the floor by the mattress. Minimalist. After she showered, she I noticed that she had opened the femidom's package to study its contents. We had a hard time communicating, but we clicked. A nursing student at a local college, she came in late that day. 5pm, and had only had one previous customer.

She provided a real GFE, something I am coming to realize is common here. Lots of DFK, caressing, and some DATY really warmed her up and she wanted to go down on me right away after that. I stopped her so I could put in the femidom, but not before using some hand sanitizer on both of us, which impressed her, so that we could go from BBBJ to FS without interruption. She had one of the most talented mouths I've ever encountered, providing a BBBJ that made her mouth feel like a vagina. Postions followed: side by side, mish, doggy, cowgirl. She came in cowgirl, a growling, moaning affair, and then we went to spoons. The mirror was small, but it could be moved, so I got some good views through most of it.

When we got out, Berrini was closing. The cost was R155 (R5 was tacked on for using a credit card) and they called me the most stupid cab driver in town. He was dazed and confused taking me back to the hotel, despite an address and a hotel provided map. I lost my temper with him and he reduced the fare that was inflated by his wrong turns, stopping in traffick to consult the map, etc.

With the exchange rate of $1=r160 (or less) the clinicas are a little expensive, and the garotas are not MDE quality, but the service the cabinhas are worth it. Garotas. Really. Like. Sex.

Took a friend to Clinica Brooklin. After the cabbie drove past two sex shops and the Harem Club, then made a right turn, I realized it was on the same street as clinica Kin, and near Berrini and Akaza.

Very disappointed with the Brooklin line up, but they are affiliated with Clinica Addobora. When I inquired about japinhas and mesticas, the receptionist produced matching black business cards for both Brooklin and Addobora and wrote the name of Sammy (Brooklin) and Sayuri (Addobora) and their hours. This might be a possible project for Saturday.

We walked up the street to Kin. I guess if you want to see the full line of 15 staffers, you have to come during the afternoon. The two most promising prospects were Gracie and Clea. Gracie was Sao Paulo's answer to Medellin's Geraldine / Demi Moore, but taller and thicker. Not a spinner.

We put them on the "maybe" list. We went to the Akaza. Their best talent was either not there or occupied, because what we were introduced to was chunky, unnattractive, or had acne. Yes, two nights in a row and I was struck by how many of the girls had acne.

We went to Berrini, right across the street. A nice line up. Bea of the candy apple red hair seemed interesting and shapely, but didn't seem very energetic in the introduction. Dani reminded my friend of a Dominican girlfriend he once had, but Dani was quickly snatched by another customer. The one I chose reminded me of Gennifer Godwin from "Big Love", and was very energetic in the interview, but for the life of me I forgot her name.

I'll call her la Italiana because in the room she told me she spent three years in Italy, working with her friend. Said Italian guys love girls from Brazil, and Spanish guys. Not so much. Long black hair, a light brown skin tone, the usual bunda, and decent breasts. She spoke Italian, so between Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, we were able to communicate. Very clean. Showered with a gel, cleaned up down there with an intimate cleaning product, used mouthwash, which she shared with me.

Good massage hands, very passionate when we transitioned from massage to sex, wanting to go straight to the BJ. However, I thought some DATY would really kick things into gear, and it did. Very noisy, this woman. When she was good and worked up, we put in the femidom, and went to BBBJ, but she complained my pre-cum was sour (damn, I need to start drinking more pineapple juice, the pineapples themselves are not doing the job) , started interrupting the BBBJ with wipes of tissue, and wanted to switch to CBJ. She tried one condom, said I was too big, then switched to something bigger and thinner. Her technique improved, and got quite wild. There was only one small mirror in the room, but if I stood up I could get a good view of her blowing me. Positions followed, and she was very encouraging.

A good time. What I am realizing is that what SP girls lack in looks (compared to MDE or RIO girls) they make up for in passion. The GFE, the DFK, the ability to try anything is there.

with business cards from brooklin and abbobora, and the working hours of sayumi and sami, i called both places to confirm that the two mesticas were working. with my imperfect portuguese, i got the impression that sayumi was already occupied, but would be 'available for presentation' at 1:30pm. since she was off duty at 6pm, abbobora was the first stop. it being 'feria 7' or saturday, the traffic was not too bad. the cabbie used a gps device, which was smart, as the last five minutes of the trip involved many turns caused by the neighborhood's one way streets.

abbobora, at rua joaquim guarani. 12 (5181-8000/5183-4555) at r180 an hour, is not the most expensive of the clinicas (clinica cherry was r190) , but it had the most taste. the waiting room was luxurious, tasteful, subdued, like something bob guccione and martha stewart would have decorated if they could have come to an agreement. the attendant was efficient, and i was sat down, offered a drink, and she summoned sayumi.

while i waited, i thumbed through a large loose leaf binder of pictures of the providers. i was impressed, very impressed. each one had a full page glamour photo, followed by a second page with 2-3 more shots. professionally done, you can see samples from the 'joy book' on their website, [url]http://www.abbobora.com.br/massagistas.html[/url] but the faces are pixilated, and the website has only a fraction of the staff in the books. the receptionist sat with other patrons, went over the book with them, and using her clipboard, told them which ones were not working and noting which ones they wanted to come out for introductions. as the providers came out i was very pleased to see that they were just as beautiful in the flesh than they were in the pictures. the photographer didn't exaggerate their beauty, he captured it. pixilation denies us the saucy smile in one photo, a pleasing girl-next-door giggle in another, and a serene expression in another. while the mandatory brazilian bunda was always recurrent, there was a variety looks. blondes, brunettes, mulatas, blacks, asians,. and body types for every taste. the pictures included height, weight, measurements, and dress size, but in metric equivalents.

i found sayuri's pictures and fell in love. supposedly of mixed race, she was very japanese looking. she was 1. 51meters. 47 kilos. 89cm bust. 65cm waist. 89cm hips. i was once told that 90/60/90 was the ideal, kinda like our 36/24/36, and when i did the calculations in my head, it came out to pleasing and petit.

i had to pay first, which was also unique, (but they take credit cards) and then led to the room. the furnishings were 'asian minimalist' a queen sized tatami mat style platform that supported a single sized leather wrapped futon, a glass and aluminum night stand, a chair. like other places there were shrink wrapped towels, soap, sheets, and sandals, but these were of better quality. there was a large mirror at the head of the bed. classy, all the way.

i was about to shower, when sayumi came in, greeted me like a long lost love, smiles and kisses and introductions, and a minute later, the soda i asked for was delivered and put on the night stand. i was not disappointed by sayumi, although it would have been nice if the shower was large enough to shower together. she claimed not to be a brasilian / japanese mix, but full japanese, and i believed her. flat chest, small but shapely butt, fair skin but with small, perky dark nipples: i was convinced. she said she had been doing this since 2008, and that she liked it.

when she was done with her shower, we gave each other an hour neither of us were likely for forget. i enjoyed running my fingers through her long black hair. she practically raped my mouth with her tongue and ran her delicate, but strong, fingers along my skin with the skill of safecracker, searching for my reactions like a lock pick encountering a lock with some newfangled tumblers. it was strange, this girl could have stepped out of a japanese adult video, but she made love like a 'cmm' (colombian mattress monster tm) that just got paroled.

when i daty, she was loud, thrashy, and as vocal as a soccer fan cheering on a team called the 'do me, babies. ' when she came, her whole body convulsed with uncontrolled spasms for a couple of minutes afterward. she had no trouble accepting the femidom, and we quickly went to oral. even with the limitations of her small mouth, it was great, unrushed, and administered with some real tenderness and passion. we did side-to-side, her little body curling around me, then uncoiling when she came. we did mish and her tongue could have removed some fillings out of my molars, she was in so deep. i told her to grab tight, and lifted her so she could sit in my lap and bounce, my mouth alternating between her mouth and her accusatory little nipples. i glanced at the mirror and remembered to ask for doggy, and she just looked great doing it, diddling herself with her left, then right hand, but never getting out of position. i laid down so she could do cowgirl and come again. we did spoons, but we stopped for a little bit so she could talk dirty to me and jack me off before the final lap. when we went back to spoons, she propped herself on an elbow so i could see her face in the mirror. i slowed down my pace, thrust slowly and deeply and got her back into her orgasm trance. i basked in her encouragement in portuguese before picking up the pace, alternating between looking at her tan lines and her face, and pounding out an orgasm that left both of our bodies limp and entwined.

the phone did ring at the ten minutes to go point, the five minutes to go point, and the get out now ('. or do you want to pay for another half hour? ') point, and we were rushing to evacuate. i tried to get her meet me off campus. i let you know how that turned out later.

afterwards, i sat in the waiting room, recovering. there was a movie playing, a remake of 'it's a mad, mad, mad world, ' a film that did not need to be remade, especially not with whoopie goldberg, but that somehow distracted me for an hour while thumbing through the picture book, watching the introductions, and reconstituting my precious bodily fluids.

here's where i got stupid. i just found what i was looking for all week. i got great service, in a nice setting, at a reasonable price, with a girl that satisfied my yellow fever, and she was available as soon i could get it up again, and yet, i decided to take another cab and go to clinica brooklin to meet the unknown samy?

i had enough cash to get to brooklin and then my hotel. if samy wasn't all that, i'the have to go back to the hotel and get more cash, and change it, and then try to get back to abbobora to see sayuri again before closing time. (sure, we arranged to meet that night, but chicas are unreliable.)

the receptionist and another client who spoke english responded to my inquiries about the distance to clinica brooklin with lots of good info. it wasn't that far. there were cabbies who accepted credit cards that could be called. the receptionist even offered to charge me for a session and then give me the cash, thereby avoiding the hassles of retrieving my dollars from the hotel safe and changing them. looking back, it was all too easy to make a big mistake.

I took the credit-card accepting taxi to Brooklin, and he agreed to wait while I went in, looked over Sami and decided whether I wanted to stay or go back to Abbobora. Yet, another chance to avoid a mistake, and I did not take it.

I went in. The receptionist got Sami to come out. Sami was indeed, a Brazilian / Japanes mix, and kinda reminded me of porn actress Katsumi / Katsuni with her full, shapely lips. However, I did pick up a hardened look on her part during the intro. Should have listened to my gut instinct, should have turned right around and gotten in another session with Sayuri at Abbobora, but wasn't thinking straight. Thought I would regret not try something new, and that Sayuri would come through with meeting me after work. A big mistake in hindsight, and I kinda new I was being too ambitious when I did. Think of it as a "brigde too far," not being happy with a "bird in the hand."

Sami and Clinica Brooklin was a disappointing let down from Abbobora, even though both are owned by the same owner. The rooms at Brooklin are not as nice, a massage table competes for floor space with the mat, and the bathroom / shower is even tinier.

Sami was about 25, had been working at Brooklin for 2 months so she hadn't gotten in the picture gallery, and had used to work in telemarketing. Not doing this because she enjoyed the work, she just wanted the money She never warmed up. I asked her if she would use a femidom and she was adamant. She gave me a chance to back out and get dressed, and I already had a chance to see her nude, but I saw the lithe, slim body, the smallish, toned, and shapely butt, and the girlish little chest. I think in another year, her little paunch might be larger than her bust. And thought I'd make the best of it. It went downhill from there. She wouldn't LFK, much less DFK. She insisted on a CBJ, she didn't like certain positions, wouldn't lick my balls, actually hurt me when she jacked me off, gave the fake moans and groans, and reduced me to jacking myself off. Only to cum dodge after telling me I could splooge on her tits. The only thing she did half way right was massage me after it was over. The session ended early, and she spent a couple of minutes annotating something in a small spiral bound calender. In today's entry, she had written the number 70 four times. She told me she kept notes on the number of clients she had. On todays entry she had four. I asked her if it was an exceptional day. She said, no, sometimes she would get as many a six or seven or even eight, but that was on days she would work from noon to ten pm.

I came out and the receptionist saw I was a funk. She asked me how was my session. I let her know. She commiserated a bit. She said the girls were into safe sex, that many local men try to get bareback FS, and that they just aren't familiar with the femidom. I replied that I was sober, respectful, clean, didn't ask for anything kinky, and was practicing very safe sex. I told her it was the worst session of all the places I've been to. Before I left, she made me a chit for a 50% discount on my next session. I was non plussed. Who knows when I will be able to return to SP to use it. PM me and I will mail to any brother monger who can use it.

It was a dissappointing way to end my trip, but I have nobody to blame but myself. I had many opportunities to not screw up. I could have not left Abbobora (why did I think I improve upon perfection?) , or turned around when I picked up on Sami's lousy attitude, or left the room when she insisted on no femidom, or left after a half hour, etc.

It is now almost 11pm, and Sayuri should have been here a two hours ago. I should have waited a couple of hours and done her a second time at Abbobora. Regrets. Regrets. Not the first time I have regretted not doing the provider on premises in anticipation of an off campus session that never materializes.

Fellow members, I thought that you might like to know that I met an Aussie at Redway who had read our various posts regarding it.

I hear him in the front room (I had finished my encounter and was relaxing with cerevaza gelado on the patio) asking for water in English so I shouted out "aqua gelado" to the mamasan. He came out to chat briefly. After he had his session, I was still there so we had great chat about his experiences.

I advised him to join this group so he could share plus ask for info when he was heading out of Oz again.

We had a great laugh when he realized that he has read my posts which convinced him to chose Redway.

We then adjourned the meeting to a restaurant nearby where we were further distracted by many attractive Brazilians.

Another funny note. We noticed other clients that we had seen at Redway relaxing as well. The maitre the' seems to know that we had been at Redway.

Anyways another unique encounter at Redway.

Are there any places open on Sunday during the day in Sao Paulo? Redway is closed so am looking for a place such as it open on Sunday.

[QUOTE=JimMorison;1125309]Are there any places open on Sunday during the day in Sao Paulo? Redway is closed so am looking for a place such as it open on Sunday.[/QUOTE]My plane leaves tonight, so I am looking for something to do this afternoon.

Searched the thread and found messages that Prive Eucalyptus in Moema was open Sunday, as was Prive Club das Rosas. Called but one number was cancelled and another not responding.

New Tokio's website.

[url]http://www.newtokio.com.br/index.asp[/url]

Says they are open and even have listed special Saturday and Sunday prices. Tried calling twice, but got a message in Portuguese that was so fast, all I recoginzed was the words,"clinica massegem". Don't know if it is the phone company saying the number 5072-2016 no longer belongs to the clinica, or if it is a message from the clinica itself.

Could someone more fluent call the number and figure out if this place is open?

Hi all!

I am planning to head down Clinica My Way shortly. I looked up their website and it offer Thai, Deep Tissue etc. Etc. And have rates published.

So, how do I get happy ending? Is that on addition to website rates? Do I have to negotiate. Which I fear I can't because I can't speak portuguese.

Are there any hidden code of conduct that I need to know before I head down there? I am looking for 60 meet companionship.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1090280]Well good luck with her amigo, give us an update.[/QUOTE]Ricker, wasn't able to connect with her. Funny thing is the day after I got back to the states I get an email from her saying "sure. Let's go to dinner". A little late honey.

So, now I'm back in SP for a few weeks. Will definitely try and "reconnect" with her. I'll also check out Casaro. Never been there and if gets the Ricker's thumbs up. I'll check out this week. Ricker, any suggestions on "good nights" to be there?

Iguana6. Great posts! Honestly, I never heard of Abboboro so will definitely give it a try while I am here.

Locals. Sui G. Others, any suggestions for a good dinner place on Sundays. Preferably with good looking non-pros? I know Sundays are family day for dinner out but I was hoping to find a really good meal and at least some visual dessert.

I got tremendous insight thru this website. Thanks to all contributors. But I am yet to take the first step. I spent my day today walking around itaim bibi and pretty nice area. Quite safe and lot of nice restaurants. I had dropped emails to few girls I found on classifieds and ended up chatting with one gorgeous lady. We chatted for about an hour although she told me she is in south Brazil this week. I was bored, with no one else around me able to speak english. So, I spent an hour with her on I'm. Great person and she is the kind of person I would like to meet. She is non-pro. Works part time and goes to school. She also told me how many girls who work full time actually take on part time massage job for *needs. Most of these girls work very hard to not be discovered. She is among them. That is why she wanted to chat for long to make sure her I'd won't be disclosed. We plan to meet up next weekend when she returns. Just wanted to post my 2 cents. For what it gives. I can share her email I'd and pics if anyone wants.

Seems like fun place. But still waiting for my first step. Sunday seems pretty dead here. I wonder if anyone out here has contact (email) of non-pro girl who would like to meetup in hotel? If you do, please can you share with me?

[QUOTE=Chan Nimal;1125420]Locals. Sui G. Others, any suggestions for a good dinner place on Sundays. Preferably with good looking non-pros? I know Sundays are family day for dinner out but I was hoping to find a really good meal and at least some visual dessert.[/QUOTE]Too bad, Chan Nimal, I've just seen your message. I don't come as often as usual on ISG since I'm stranded in Montreal till the end of April. I'll be back in May.

It's difficult to answer out of the blue a question like this. What kind of restaurant are you looking for? Planning to go there alone? In which part of the town are you located or you intend to go out? What kind of meal are you looking for? Are old are you?

Two districts are well known for their good restaurants: Vila Olimpia / Itaim Bibi and Pinheiros / Vila Madalena (there are other districts as well but these two combine good restaurants + good nightlife).

My pick is La Buca Romana on Oscar Freire (not too far from Bomboa) : [url]http://www.labucaromana.com.br/[/url]

By the way, I'm selling my condo in Moema and I'm planning to buy a flat in Pinheiros. From there it's easier to go to USP in Butantã.

Have a nice trip.

(I'll come back with live reports on May)

[QUOTE=Iguana Six;1124566]After work, I spent some time on the net searching for "acompanhante japinha sao paulo". I found a dozen or so classified ads and some ads from outcall services, but had no luck. With the exchange rate of $1=r160 (or less) the clinicas are a little expensive, and the garotas are not MDE quality, but the service the cabinhas are worth it. Garotas. Really. Like. Sex.[/QUOTE]I am surprised you could not find any to your liking.

There are quite some Garota de Programa and if you look at a "fsd" web you are able to bump into some reports

Who I failed to conect with before I left. My fault.

I got stood up (well sort of. She changed the time on me and I could not make the changed time) by Aisha Ventura [url]http://sexintheflat.********.com/?zx=ca5769a5cccfa987[/url], so I went walking. Ended up at Brooklin Massagem [url]http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br/[/url], and despite the early hour. 13:00 on a Saturday. There was a line up of 8 lovelies. Well acceptables.

Mel, my first choice, was taken by a call in, and so I went with Malu. Tall, tan and cute enough. In the room a short shower was followed by an equally short massage that then led to some decent floor action. A short covered BJ led to a spirited romp in multiple positions. Unable to 'produce' in a cover, Malu uncovered me, lubed me up and helped me to a COT finish.

150R well spent.

[QUOTE=SunsetGuy; 1125483]I got tremendous insight thru this website. Thanks to all contributors. But I am yet to take the first step. I spent my day today walking around itaim bibi and pretty nice area. Quite safe and lot of nice restaurants. I had dropped emails to few girls I found on classifieds and ended up chatting with one gorgeous lady. We chatted for about an hour although she told me she is in south Brazil this week. I was bored, with no one else around me able to speak english. So, I spent an hour with her on I'm. Great person and she is the kind of person I would like to meet. She is non-pro. Works part time and goes to school. She also told me how many girls who work full time actually take on part time massage job for *needs. Most of these girls work very hard to not be discovered. She is among them. That is why she wanted to chat for long to make sure her I'd won't be disclosed. We plan to meet up next weekend when she returns. Just wanted to post my 2 cents. For what it gives. I can share her email I'd and pics if anyone wants.

Seems like fun place. But still waiting for my first step. Sunday seems pretty dead here. I wonder if anyone out here has contact (email) of non-pro girl who would like to meetup in hotel? If you do, please can you share with me? [/QUOTE]Sounds like what I've been looking for, tried to I'm you but no luck. Still care to share her pics / info? Thanks and regards.

[QUOTE=Heartbreak Kid;1125713]tried to I'm you but no luck. Still care to share her pics / info?[/QUOTE]I am newbie on this site and do not know how to use I'm (send or receive). I do not want to post her info here nor do I want to post my email addy. Is there a better way? Please note that I do not have paid access to this account.

No worries. Funny enough, I was in Montreal last week. Too frickin cold.

I was really interested in a casual place. Would be by myself. I'm usually in the Brooklin area but I'm good with taxis so not really limited by location. I was going to hit up Figueira but I've found Sundays too "family-ish" there.

Stay warm.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1125492]Too bad, Chan Nimal, I've just seen your message. I don't come as often as usual on ISG since I'm stranded in Montreal till the end of April. I'll be back in May.

It's difficult to answer out of the blue a question like this. What kind of restaurant are you looking for? Planning to go there alone? In which part of the town are you located or you intend to go out? What kind of meal are you looking for? Are old are you?

Two districts are well known for their good restaurants: Vila Olimpia / Itaim Bibi and Pinheiros / Vila Madalena (there are other districts as well but these two combine good restaurants + good nightlife).

My pick is La Buca Romana on Oscar Freire (not too far from Bomboa) :

[url]http://www.labucaromana.com.br/[/url]

By the way, I'm selling my condo in Moema and I'm planning to buy a flat in Pinheiros. From there it's easier to go to USP in Butantã.

Have a nice trip.

(I'll come back with live reports on May) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SunsetGuy; 1125483]I got tremendous insight thru this website. Thanks to all contributors. But I am yet to take the first step. I spent my day today walking around itaim bibi and pretty nice area. Quite safe and lot of nice restaurants. I had dropped emails to few girls I found on classifieds and ended up chatting with one gorgeous lady. We chatted for about an hour although she told me she is in south Brazil this week. I was bored, with no one else around me able to speak english. So, I spent an hour with her on I'm. Great person and she is the kind of person I would like to meet. She is non-pro. Works part time and goes to school. She also told me how many girls who work full time actually take on part time massage job for *needs. Most of these girls work very hard to not be discovered. She is among them. That is why she wanted to chat for long to make sure her I'd won't be disclosed. We plan to meet up next weekend when she returns. Just wanted to post my 2 cents. For what it gives. I can share her email I'd and pics if anyone wants.

Seems like fun place. But still waiting for my first step. Sunday seems pretty dead here. I wonder if anyone out here has contact (email) of non-pro girl who would like to meetup in hotel? If you do, please can you share with me?[/QUOTE]You may want to try the club Scandalo. I was there on Saturday. Expensive (room is R100 an hour, girls can go from R200 to R300 an hour) , but the quality is good. At least I was satisfied. The place has a good restaurant, a good bar. And the best days are weekdays. It is open until 4am so you can still go there.

[QUOTE=SunsetGuy; 1125483]. I had dropped emails to few girls I found on classifieds and ended up chatting with one gorgeous lady. We chatted for about an hour although she told me she is in south Brazil this week. I was bored, with no one else around me able to speak english.

She is non-pro. Works part time and goes to school. She also told me how many girls who work full time actually take on part time massage job for *needs. Most of these girls work very hard to not be discovered. She is among them. That is why she wanted to chat for long to make sure her I'd won't be disclosed. We plan to meet up next weekend when she returns. Just wanted to post my 2 cents.

For what it gives. I can share her email I'd and pics if anyone wants.

I wonder if anyone out here has contact (email) of non-pro girl who would like to meetup in hotel? If you do, please can you share with me? [/QUOTE]Hey no disrespect, but do you understand what a non-pro is?

They are girls that are not in the 'biz'; part time, full time, not wanting to be discovered, etc.

The girl you talked with, though she sounds nice, doesn't sound non-pro at all.

Non-pros don't generally want their email and pics thrown around either, and they aren't just going to show up at someone's hotel for a meetup out of the blue.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1125940]Hey no disrespect, but do you understand what a non-pro is?

They are girls that are not in the 'biz'; part time, full time, not wanting to be discovered, etc.

The girl you talked with, though she sounds nice, doesn't sound non-pro at all.

Non-pros don't generally want their email and pics thrown around either, and they aren't just going to show up at someone's hotel for a meetup out of the blue.[/QUOTE]So the definition of non-pro in Brazil is same as in part of world where I come from. I didn't know that, my bad. I thought it meant, someone who does not work for a club per se. And chooses the assignment at will.

By the way, I walked past My Way today. First, the place is towards the end of fashionable street. Its slightly set back from main street and it had a pink curtain. Sorry, I was disappointed with its outlook. And then I noticed a not even remotely pretty girl sitting outside. Which really was the last straw. I am not going there. True, beauty lies in the eye of beholder, but "My Way" has a far impressive website than the place itself. At least from outside. Does not look exquisite at all.

[QUOTE=Mcmenda;1125929]You may want to try the club Scandalo. I was there on Saturday. Expensive (room is R100 an hour, girls can go from R200 to R300 an hour) , but the quality is good. At least I was satisfied. The place has a good restaurant, a good bar. And the best days are weekdays. It is open until 4am so you can still go there.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is open on Sundays?

After some years where my trips to my favourite city have been few and far between I will return in March. Hopefully I will have the time and energy to write reports too. Anybody else around in March?

To the poster asking for restaurants:

As a general rule don't go somewhere for fish og seafood during weekends. The fish market is closed during Saturday and Sunday, so what you will get is not fresh (ie has probably been frozen or are leftovers from the week). For early dinner on Sunday I would recomend either of the Fogo de Chao restaurants or Baby Beef Rubaiyat (two locations). For normal dinner hours or late dinner on Sunday I would go to either A Figurira Rubaiyat or La Tambouille. For amazing scenery and a night snack nothing beats the rooftop bar / restaurant Skye at Hotel Unique. Catch the sunrise with that special garota.

Otherwise I would recomend Biboca for high quality food whithout prices that will burn a hole in your wallet. I don't remember their opening hours though, so I can not confirm if they are open on Sundays or not:
[url]http://www.bibocarestaurante.com/[/url]

GK

I just had an experience with Lorena [url]http://www.garotasbr.com.br/lorena[/url]

I had heard that many websites have heavily fotoshoped pictures, and this girls is no different.

Add about 20# and 10 years to her photo's and you will have an idea of what she looks like.

Performance very lack-luster.

Oral with.

No anal.

After one pop, I pushed her out of my room.

Cost $250R plus taxi for 1 1/2 hours, but I got rid of her in about 40 minutes.

Looks: 6.

Performance: 4.

Repeat: not a chance.

Fitz

Returning to Sao Paulo for the first time in 12 years. Can someone provide some current insights on a few things. Looks like Cafe Foto is still in business. Quality used to be high there, how is it now? What is the going rate to bring a girl back to your hotel for the whole night? Does anyone know if taking a girl to the Hyatt is a problem? Have also been looking at some of the gators websites. Girls look amazing. What is the usual rate? Is it per hour? How much all night? Will they come to my hotel? Do many of them speak English? Lots of questions, I know. Appreciate any guidance / up to date info you can share.

I have more or less the same questions than Rhvc 2002. . Information about Sao Paulo would be very helfhul.

Thank you!

[QUOTE]Returning to Sao Paulo for the first time in 12 years. Can someone provide some current insights on a few things. Looks like Cafe Foto is still in business. Quality used to be high there, how is it now? What is the going rate to bring a girl back to your hotel for the whole night? Does anyone know if taking a girl to the Hyatt is a problem? Have also been looking at some of the gators websites. Girls look amazing. What is the usual rate? Is it per hour? How much all night? Will they come to my hotel? Do many of them speak English? Lots of questions, I know. Appreciate any guidance / up to date info you can share.[/QUOTE]Hyatt no problem. Cafe Photo still in operation but they have moved its location. Now they are located at Avenida Juscelino Kubitschek 373. Back in the day you seemed to go to SP Cafe Photo was incredible. Now is more of a tourist trap. Many girls especially in Cafe Photo will speak English. Prices from R$500- pr. Hour. If you are looking for a high end experience I would rather go to W Garden at Rua Alvorada 550. Prices are about the same as at Cafe Photo but generally better service and younger girls.

BTW, steep entry at both places. R$190 from what I remember. At Cafe Photo this will give you four drink tickets and at W Garden they will allow you to drink for amount you paid on entry. W Garden not so many English speakers but that is generally no problem. My Portuguese is pretty rusty too. Once I actually managed to comunnicate with a garota by only using pen and paper and making drawings to each other. No spoken words between us were understood.

Other similar options would be Bomboa or Scandalo. There is even Touch Cafe run by the former owner of Bahamas, but that is really a bit out of the city.

The websites are generally not my cup of tea but I think the going rate is around R$200- pr. Hour. The most experienced will speak some English, but many will not. Still not a big problem except on the phone when the date is set up.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1128286]Hyatt no problem. Cafe Photo still in operation but they have moved its location. Now they are located at Avenida Juscelino Kubitschek 373. Back in the day you seemed to go to SP Cafe Photo was incredible. Now is more of a tourist trap. Many girls especially in Cafe Photo will speak English. Prices from R$500- pr. Hour. If you are looking for a high end experience I would rather go to W Garden at Rua Alvorada 550. Prices are about the same as at Cafe Photo but generally better service and younger girls.

BTW, steep entry at both places. R$190 from what I remember. [/QUOTE]Maybe I'm missing something here, but these ridiculous priced places are not for me.

R$190 to just get in, R$500 for an hour with a garota, ummm that's over $400 dollars minimum, for a quicky.

No thanks, not needed.

Just the other night I was making the rounds, and ended up in My Love, just off the Augusta path.

I dig this place.

They'll always let you in to check the place out before buying anything, and then a guy's drink is only R$16, and one for a garota is R$32.

Anyway I enter, actually hoping to see this pretty blonde that I met a couple weeks back, and I'm struck by a new girl, a young, beautiful morena.

I introduce myself, we order something to drink and then go back to a quiet area to

chat a bit (my portuguese is getting pretty good).

I like her and I ask her if she wants to hang out with me at my hotel, and she just smiles and says, I'll go get dressed.

The total bar fine, including our drinks come to R$90.

To make my point and also make a long story short, we hang out together, play together, sleep together and then play some more, and go get a late lunch.

After all is said and done, we never talked about money for her.

I initially lay by her bag R$100 and she says thank you, but I really just wanted to see her reaction to that amount and she was cool with it, but then of course I handed her R$100 more and she returned me a very happy smile.

Great girl, beautiful, loving, fun.

Total cost, R$290, all night and morning and into the late afternoon.

Could have paid her less, but that would've been a shame on me.

Next time I see her, it'll be without having to pay the middleman, the bar fine.

Now that's more my style.

He asked about Cafe Photo, so I answered in that context. How much you want to pay or not pay has little or nothing to do with this.

GK

[QUOTE=Ricker;1128619]struck by a new girl, a young, beautiful morena. I introduce myself, we order something to drink and then go back to a quiet area to chat a bit. I like her and I ask her if she wants to hang out with me at my hotel, and she just smiles and says, I'll go get dressed. Next time I see her, it'll be without having to pay the middleman, the bar fine. Now that's more my style.[/QUOTE]To get prostitutes as cheaply as you can. The rickerer's style! Just not everyone can do it.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1128669]He asked about Cafe Photo, so I answered in that context. How much you want to pay or not pay has little or nothing to do with this.

GK[/QUOTE]I got ya amigo, you're right.

Wasn't trying to disrespect you, just throwing out my opinion, for what it's worth, and a recent experience of mine at a lesser expensive club.

I get your point though, me disculpa e obrigado.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1128724]To get prostitutes as cheaply as you can. The rickerer's style! Just not everyone can do it.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. We both know that's not true.

You like to mess with people don't ya Golf?

I was just in Rio. The exchange rate is as follows: 1 USD = 1. 65 R at the Termas; 1. 6 at the cab stand at the airport; and 1. 55 at the exchange booths plus a fee at the Airport. My cc gave me a slightly better rate but I had to pay a 12USD fee. Probably the best option is to exchange your money at the termas.

I had grand plans when I arrived. The first night I decided I was going to visit Monte Carlo because I had been reading some good reports on ISG. The deal at MC is there is 70R entry fee. 70 R cabine rental fee and 150R for 40 minutes with a girl. Prior to my visit the locals on the beach and a cabbie were talking about how bad the talent is at MC and that Centaurus was so much better etc. I made my mind up I was going there any way. Later that night I entered MC in nervous about what I would find. I was hoping the cabbie the cabana boys were wrong about the talent. In short, they were wrong. The place was hopping with plenty of fuckable garotas.

Monte Carlo.

During my scouting trip that morning I almost missed the place. I was walking up and down the street. There is no sign that says Monte Carlo. There is just a door with a 19 over it? Nothing like advertising eh. I saw a girl open the door and I said "Monte Carlo?" She said "Yes but come back at 3PM" she was the manager and very nice. Note* Enclosed is the address: Rua HiláRio de Gouvêa. 19 Copacabana. Rio de Janeiro Tel: 2255-4489.

I returned at 6PM. I enter the Termas and see several beautiful garotas. I know what I like (spinners). Right before me was a menina loura bonita. My radar locked onto her and I went over to say Hello, after only 3 minutes in the bar. We hit it off and we spent a good hour DFK and fondling each other in the corner of the bar. On my third beer she suggests the cabine. I raced her up the stairs. She took my key and left me standing there while she went to shower, charge my account for the cabine and her, and change into some lingerie. 10 minutes later my little blond Brazillian equivalent of a spinner, comes back in some sexy lace outfit and leads me to the cabine. We simply had great sex for 40 minutes. I was on my second SOG when the buzzer went off. She gave me a few minutes extra but the 2nd SOG wasn't meant to be (no buzzer beater for me). BBBJ, DFK, MPOS. 69. Everything I wanted was on her menu. We went back down stairs and she sat with me and we made out for another 30 minutes. I told her I was going to drink a few more beers and then have a massage. I planned to shower and go back to the hotel. She spoke mostly through a series of interpreters. She said she would meet me at my hotel after she got off at midnight. I said "cool" and I let her get back to work. I had my massage but I didn't want to leave. The talent was too strong at MC I wanted to sit around and listen to the music and drink beer and watch the girls dance. Then a curious thing happened. Several of the hookers made passes at me and were hanging on me. My blond spinner walked over and claimed me. She announced to the girls "I'm keeping him for myself" which was about the extent of her English. We sat together the rest of the night and we made out.

At 11:30 she asked me to go to my hotel and wait for her there. She explained that her bosses do not let her date customers so we cannot can not meet out front. So I waited for her to arrive by cab at the hotel entrance. She shows up at midnight. I pay her cab fare of 10R. We split a small pizza and have a drink and then I try to sneak her into my upscale hotel. I walk in with her laughing like I own the place and walk right by the management. They stop us and make her register. I found out later here was no extra charge by the hotel for a guest. For 300+USD a night there better not be!

Anyway I took this girl up to the room and we fucked for hours. H-O-U-R-S. She fucked me to death! We spent hours communicating through bablefish prior to sleeping. At 7AM we both up. She explained the night before that she has her bambinos today. She is taking them to the beach today. I walked her to the cab stand. We exchanged numbers and email in the room. I tell her I will see her Monday at the Termas. We both say I love you and she hops in the cab. All she asked for was cab fare and I gave her 70Rs. So for the entire night she was 80R + a small pizza margarita.

Now the bad news. She fucked my sun burnt body to death! I could not fuck the next day. I pathetically "limp-dicked" it over to Balconi and had to sit there and pass up some of the best talent in Rio. Most of the girls at the Balconi did look like they belonged in the bar from Star Wars but every 20 minutes some hot SPs would show up. A beautiful Amazonian brunet that looked like a movie star and then an hour after that there was a young SP named Nichelle. She was a beautiful 18 year old mulato that looked like she was not a minute over 18. She was wearing the sexiest red painted on Tarzan style mini with heels smoking her cigarette like a sex queen. (Man why has someone not scouped this girl up yet? I was thinking) How sexy! I talked to her and she wanted 350R but was down to 250R before I decided my broke-dick self was too sore to fuck her from the work out from the previous night. Also, how can I get a girl dressed like this past security at my respectable hotel? She looked like she was barley 18. In my hotel there are families waiting for cabs to take them out to dinner etc. They are good decent folk and not mongers like us. I decide have to take the night off.

I had a few more beers with fellow mongers, until the rain cleared and it was off to the hotel. I left the next day. Man do I love Rio!

Can you fall in love with your Rio SP?

Hey Hungrystud101,

Really nice report but I think you might have mistakenly posted it on the wrong forum. This is Sao Paulo forum.

BTW, this was recently? If so what upscale hotel allowed you to take a girl in with no charge?

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1129070]Hey Hungrystud101,

Really nice report but I think you might have mistakenly posted it on the wrong forum. This is Sao Paulo forum.

BTW, this was recently? If so what upscale hotel allowed you to take a girl in with no charge?

GK[/QUOTE]Thanks Gengis.

Really really tired when I did this last night.

Note to Moderator. Little help please?

Guys,

Thanks for the update on cafe foto. I'm not stuck on the place. Just a gringo who travels solo, speaks no Portuguese and doesn't know his way around town. Foto felt safe, didn't want to get too far off the beaten path and find myself in a jam.

That said, I am open to exploring other places. Twice the sex for half the price sounds like a winning idea to me. I still prefer to take a girl back to my hotel though.

I'll be back in SP on March 29-30. Staying at the intercontinental hotel. Anyone around who wants to show me the local ropes and help me avoid the tourist traps?

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1128619]Maybe I'm missing something here, but these ridiculous priced places are not for me.

R$190 to just get in, R$500 for an hour with a garota, ummm that's over $400 dollars minimum, for a quicky.

No thanks, not needed.

Just the other night I was making the rounds, and ended up in My Love, just off the Augusta path.

I dig this place.

They'll always let you in to check the place out before buying anything, and then a guy's drink is only R$16, and one for a garota is R$32.

Anyway I enter, actually hoping to see this pretty blonde that I met a couple weeks back, and I'm struck by a new girl, a young, beautiful morena.

I introduce myself, we order something to drink and then go back to a quiet area to

Chat a bit (my portuguese is getting pretty good).

I like her and I ask her if she wants to hang out with me at my hotel, and she just smiles and says, I'll go get dressed.

The total bar fine, including our drinks come to R$90.

To make my point and also make a long story short, we hang out together, play together, sleep together and then play some more, and go get a late lunch.

After all is said and done, we never talked about money for her.

I initially lay by her bag R$100 and she says thank you, but I really just wanted to see her reaction to that amount and she was cool with it, but then of course I handed her R$100 more and she returned me a very happy smile.

Great girl, beautiful, loving, fun.

Total cost, R$290, all night and morning and into the late afternoon.

Could have paid her less, but that would've been a shame on me.

Next time I see her, it'll be without having to pay the middleman, the bar fine.

Now that's more my style. [/QUOTE]

I will be I the morumbi section of SP a few nights and I am wondering if anyone can suggest a private or a method to get laid Friday night. I am looking for a fair ppriced safe place with good service. Any ideas? There will probably be a few freeelance girls in the bar but I tend to have bad experieces with these type of girls so I would prefere a reputable Privy or something like this

Oh and I will report back in the Rio Forum with the details (LOL).

[quote]guys,

thanks for the update on cafe foto. i'm not stuck on the place. just a gringo who travels solo, speaks no portuguese and doesn't know his way around town. foto felt safe, didn't want to get too far off the beaten path and find myself in a jam.

that said, i am open to exploring other places. twice the sex for half the price sounds like a winning idea to me. i still prefer to take a girl back to my hotel though.

i'll be back in sp on march 29-30. staying at the intercontinental hotel. anyone around who wants to show me the local ropes and help me avoid the tourist traps? [/quote]Hey amigo, unfortunately i'll be in ba on those dates, however, give these 3 places a try that are fairly close to your hotel.

even though the 29th and 30th are tues and wed nights, they should have some good talent.

1. my love, the boate across from the kilt, down augusta from your hotel and and off a side street a short distance, a taxi will run ya about $r10.

no entrance fee to get in, and at times some really nice garotas.

a drink for you, about $r15, for the garota, $r30.

if you want to leave with a girl, total cost about $r90 to get her out, and that includes your and her drink.

you negotiate with the garota for her fee, normally from a couple hours to all night, from $r150 to $r250, depending on chemestry, your negotiating skills, etc

she does not have to return to the club after working.

a really cool waiter named hugo is normally there. he's always treated me well, helped me with girls, never an upcharge, good guy.

2. the kilt, across from my love.

$r60 entrance fee, includes a drink, maybe 2.

sometimes has some pretty nice quality.

i believe it'll cost ya about $r100 or so total to get her out of the club and then again negotiate with the garota.

a good startegy is to try my love first, there's no cover charge, they'll let ya hang for 10-15 minutes before buying a drink, if ya don't see anything ya like, then go across the street to kilt, tell them you'd like to take a peek first before paying the fee and they'll give you about a 2 minute looksy before wanting you to pay the entrance fee.

if you see something you like, pay and stay, if not ...

3. casarao, up augusta towards paulista from the previous 2 boates.

entrance fee $r10, includes 2 drinks.

be aware, a garotas drink will cost you about $r30-50 depending on her drink.

this place at times has some pretty good quality and they, the staff, have been very honest, unlike other augusta clubs.

now, these places aren't going to have the elegance of say a cafe photo, but you save muito $$ and you can find some gems.

the kilt will be the most elegant of the 3 boates i outlined above.

have fun!

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1129101]Thanks Gengis.

Really really tired when I did this last night.

Note to Moderator. Little help please? [/QUOTE]Just leave it in the sampa section and repost it in the Rio section, no big deal!

I will be there for Friday night. Have you ever tried Cafe photo or Cafe Labomba? My cab driver says 100R to get in and 200R for sex. I believe it is R and not USD but I could be wrong. Most beautiful woman in Brazil he said and he would come with me. How about Espaco Morumbi and is it open at 5 PM on a Friday?

What is the game at the places?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1129768]I will be there for Friday night. Have you ever tried Cafe photo or Cafe Labomba? My cab driver says 100R to get in and 200R for sex. I believe it is R and not USD but I could be wrong. Most beautiful woman in Brazil he said and he would come with me. How about Espaco Morumbi and is it open at 5 PM on a Friday?

What is the game at the places? [/QUOTE]Espaço Morumbi is open at 5 PM.

There are different prices. It's R$70 for 1/2h or 110R$ for 1h. However if you are a member of the GP Guia or FSD (and you intend to post a review) it's still R$70 for 1/2hbut R$100 for a full hour.

Not far from the Morumbi Shopping Center.

In the same district there's also the Privê Jaceru (but I don't recommend it. The last time I was there the rooms were filthy) and there's the clinic Novo Cancioneiro (the former Privê do Hector 1).

Privê Morumbi is still the best option in that district.

Cafe LaBomba? What the heck is this? Do you mean Bomboa? It's quite a distance from Morumbi because it's located in Pinheiros (Rua Capote Valente). I've not visit that joint for a long time but it's quite (or it was) quite good. I don't attend Cafe Photo because it's a kind of tourist trap.

Ricker,

thanks! sounds like a good game plan. i'll give it a shot and post an update. anyone else around on march 29-30, i'd be happy to have a wingman.


[quote=ricker; 1129510]hey amigo, unfortunately i'll be in ba on those dates, however, give these 3 places a try that are fairly close to your hotel.

even though the 29th and 30th are tues and wed nights, they should have some good talent.

1. my love, the boate across from the kilt, down augusta from your hotel and and off a side street a short distance, a taxi will run ya about $r10.

no entrance fee to get in, and at times some really nice garotas.

a drink for you, about $r15, for the garota, $r30.

if you want to leave with a girl, total cost about $r90 to get her out, and that includes your and her drink.

you negotiate with the garota for her fee, normally from a couple hours to all night, from $r150 to $r250, depending on chemestry, your negotiating skills, etc

she does not have to return to the club after working.

a really cool waiter named hugo is normally there. he's always treated me well, helped me with girls, never an upcharge, good guy.

2. the kilt, across from my love.

$r60 entrance fee, includes a drink, maybe 2.

sometimes has some pretty nice quality.

i believe it'll cost ya about $r100 or so total to get her out of the club and then again negotiate with the garota.

a good startegy is to try my love first, there's no cover charge, they'll let ya hang for 10-15 minutes before buying a drink, if ya don't see anything ya like, then go across the street to kilt, tell them you'd like to take a peek first before paying the fee and they'll give you about a 2 minute looksy before wanting you to pay the entrance fee.

if you see something you like, pay and stay, if not.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1129777]Espaço Morumbi is open at 5 PM.

Cafe LaBomba? What the heck is this? Do you mean Bomboa? It's quite a distance from Morumbi because it's located in Pinheiros (Rua Capote Valente). . [/QUOTE]Cafe Bomboa is what I mean. Is this quite good?

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1129831]Cafe Bomboa is what I mean. Is this quite good?[/QUOTE]It's fairly good and it's less a tourist trap than Café Photo. However for a reason that I cannot explain here Bomboa (and Scandallo) is not reviewed anymore by the main Brazilian escorts sites (such as GP Guia and FSD). Consequently, I have no fresh information to convey. Read the former posts on this site and you'll find a description of the venue.

[url]http://www.tuscl.net/d2.php?DID=3731[/url]

Traffic crazy today. And quite a few of the "regular" providers are out of the city for Sabado e Domingo for Carnaval.

A few of them have said they'll be back segunda.

Bom Carnaval a todos!

I got a tip from Sui Generis about a Privy in Sampa called Espaco Morumbi so I thought I would try it out. I took a cab over form my Centro hotel. Scary moment as we were pulling up looking for 101 Rue Chafic Maluf. Once I saw the 101 on the building and the lights on and I noticed that the doorway was a place of business I felt better. I told my Porto speaking cab driver to wait uma momento and I left the cab tolook inside. There was someone standing out front as a lookout. I walked in and I saw the Visa Master Card sign, a desk and several couches and I figured this must be the place. I asked if this is Espaco Morumbi. The lookout / guard said yes and I was ushered in. I walked in and the manager greeted me. His name is Fernando. Fernando told me to sit down and he went and got the girls. One after one each girl came out from the back room, walked over to me and said "Tudo Bem. I'm ____" and kissed me on the cheek then turned and left the room. I think five or 6 girls walked out. They were below Termas quality but not bad. Fernando asked which one I liked. I couldn't decide right away. No one blew me away. I was going to ask Fernando to have them come out again. He said I have 4 more and pointed upstairs and made a fucking motion. I was thinking what am I supposed to do? He called out "Juliana" and a nice looking girl came out and sat next to me on the couch. She spoke decent English. She said is this your first time? I asked how she guessed. She told me I was walking around like I was lost and we laughed some nervous laughter. Juliana asked if I wanted a Cervaja. I accepted. After she handed me an ice cold beer she asked if I liked a girl? She explained that it is 70R for a 1/2 hour and 110 for an hour. Again, I didn't know what to say. I was about to take Juliana. At this moment, a girl walked up to the desk from the back room in street clothes. I asked Juliana if I could have her. Juliana explained that the girl I wanted just ended her shift and was going home but she would ask her. The girl I liked was Tice a 20 year old 5'7" Loura with a nice butt, bulging blue eyes (I think they were fake contacts) , braces and natural B's and a cute baby face. She had the traditional thicker build with the nice big ass. I asked for 1-hour.

Tice spoke almost no English. She brought me to a back room and gave me a towel to shower. The shower was cold She said "gelado?" I said yes but I couldn't figure out how to make it warm. I took the plunge and jumped into the shower as she laughed. She went back and changed the bed sheets and undressed and jumped on the bed. We couldn't understand a word of each other and we were laughing at each other. She gave my cock quite the inspection at first. After passing muster, she gave me a mechanical BBBJ that was nice. Next she got a condom and we did CG, Doggie, RCG, Missionary with LFK, sideways fucking and then I finished with Doggie.

I went to take the condom off and nearly walked into the main office. Tice was cracking up and grabbed me and dragged me back into the room. I was saying "where do I put the condom?" She grabbed it with some Toilet Paper and threw it out. I jumped back into bed with her. The phone rang and the 1/2 hour was up. She said you want the full hour? I motioned that thirty minutes was fine. She did not understand and this took 5 minutes. I showered and was able to get the shower hot this time. I dressed and went out into the entry way and had another cerjava. I talked with the girls and Fernando a bit. The privy was closing at 10PM. Fernando wanted to introduce me to a mulato who could speak some English. Her name was Juliana. She spoke mechanical English and said "Hello, nice to meet you, how are you doing." I said this is a nice morana I will come back for you tomorrow,"uma linda Mulher" and they all laughed. I slipped Tice 20R which made her excited. Meanwhile Fernando called me a cab. I gave Fernando 45USD for the half hour and left in my cab.

What a bargain. Overall the place was fairly clean, the manager nice and not too greedy. The girls were nice and Tice provided good service. They are not Termas quality girl but still nice looking enough and what good pricing. They are open till midnight on Saturday and closed on Sunday. I Shall Return!

Espaco Morumbi.

Rua Chafic Maluf. 101-Chacara Sto. Antonio.

5041-5128/5181-3648.

Nextal 7867-6851. I'd 55*86*36374

I had to go back to Espaco Morumbi again tonight. The deal is just so good I could not pass it up. Fernando asked me to sit down and he paraded the girls by me again. This time only four came out and Thais came out third, blushing and looking super sexy in her minni. After all the girl came out and introduced themselves I chose Thais again. This time we took an hour. For 110 Reais and a free beer why rush it. This time I told her to shower well because I was going down on her. Her service improved with this session. She is young and new and still needs a little training. Those eyes are so special and she has such a cute baby face. The fucking was good but mostly lfk. I came in about 40 minutes. We showered each other off and then cuddled until the phone rang. My hour was up. We got dressed and my little Loira asked for a tip. I gave her 10 Reais and we continued down the stairs. I wish I could speak Porto. We struggled communicating the most simple of phrases.

After our session, the privy owner Fernando got me a beer. He told me that he and Hector were business associates. I asked Fernando how much to take Thais home. He said 500 Reais. I was just checking. Fernando translated for her and I explained that I am going home tomorrow. Thais looked sad. We said Tchau and Thais left the privy. I finished my beer and Fernando called a taxi. He waled me to the taxi and made sure that the driver understood where I was going. Nice touch.

On average, the appearance of the Espaco Morumbi girls are not quite the same standard as the Termas girls of Rio De Janeiro or the FKK girls of Germany. Additionally, Thais did not provide quite the service of the MC girl or the FKK girls. She was lacking in the DFK department. I didn't try the others in the Morumbi privy so I do not know if this is typical of privy girls in Sampa. I can only provide you with my annecdotal data based on my experience with Thais. However, the price is so reasonable, the girls are fuckable, and I know the system and feel safe. I shall return

Wow. First time I've gone down Augusta towards Kilt on a Sabado 1am. Absolutely crazy. Assloads of people. Lots of teenagers. Quite a few goth locations and groups. Last night there were lines for all clubs. Not just the popular ones.

I had the taxi drive take it slow through there. Saw where Casarao was. But the sidewalk was packed and a group of police had set up on that side of the street checking everyone / cars out. Kind of funny because two of the poli had their guns out by their sides. Pure Latin America baby! So, told the driver to keep going. He was a good guy. Had him as a taxista a couple of weeks ago. Quite a few streetwalkers on Augusta, just leaning up on sides of buildings, cars. Or just standing on the side of the street. Quite a few 4's and 5's but did pass a solid 8+ loira. She was so good looking that the taxi driver stopped and started talking to her. Good times.

Ended up at Kilt. I had originally planned to check out My Love across the street but the door guy offered me 2 drinks for the entry of 50R. Okay. Sounds good to me.

Pretty packed. Maybe 25 garotas. Quite a few 5's and 6's. Maybe 10 7's-8's. Didn't really see a "9" or "10". Even though I tend to avoid the super hot ones because they're not open to negotiating.

I sat at the bar. Couple of seats towards the end. Ordered my cerveja and checked out the talent. Got the few hungry ones. But they are the feia ones."Nao. Obrigado"

A tall morena (solid 8+) caught my eye but she was latched on to an older americano so I knew it was going to be awhile before she gave up on him. We made eye contact and I shrugged.

Finally a loira came by. Carioca. Forte. 30 yrs old. Small tits and big ass with thick thighs (yummy!) very nice. We chatted a bit. She started with the "buy me a glass of champagne." and I gave her the."You see. Things were going well and then you had to ruin it." we laughed. She then asked for Agua de Coco. I winked and said much better. She snuggled up and sat on my lap. She gave me the breakdown on her programa. Started with a 400R for an hour. I started laughing and she winked. A little back and forth and she was at 350R for TLN or we could go across the street to the Motel (why in the hell do they have a sign saying Hotel?) and an hour for 200R. Made sure the hour would be completa and with a kiss we sealed the deal.

For the new guys. Girls need to get a drink out of you and then they're "allowed" to leave. When you pay for your drinks she'll ask the waiter / bartender for a slip of paper that they present on the way out (just like yours showing you've paid). Also, they usually ask if you'll pay the 10R the girls have to pay for the locker / dj before they leave.

Went to the motel. It's actually up the side street where My Love and Kilt is. Funny the entry is right next to the entry to a balada (dance club) and so there were a bunch of teenagers lined up and basically checking everyone out going into the motel. Was kind of funny as they were telling the guys whether they were taking something good looking in or feia. I got a few thumbs up and whistles. Was funny. 60R for the room. Two towels. Basic bed. Clean. Shower which had lukewarm water.

She went through the alphabet (everything covered). Finished doggie with that big bunda winking at me. We took a shower together and she worked me hard to get it back up quickly. She was a fun girl as she was demanding that I give her a second round. Love the cariocas! She wanted anal this time and I was more than happy to comply. Finished just in time. Another shower together. Getting dressed she wanted to give me her number so we could go out to dinner. Bla bla. Took it but I'm leaving this week so I might finish out the trip with morenas.

So. Good trip to Kilt. Definitely worth the time but make sure you negotiate and don't waste time with the ugly ones.

From what I hear W Garden has been closed and sealed by city hall although I don't know why. Anybody else with more information?

GK

Despite advertising that they were open on Sunday. They were not when I went today, as least I got some exercise walking. LOL.

Privê Clube das Rosas. Rua das Rosas. 732. Praça the Árvore.

CLINICA NEW TOKIO.

RUA:CARAMURU 127. SAUDE, SÃO PAULO. SP. 04138-000,

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1132485]From what I hear W Garden has been closed and sealed by city hall although I don't know why. Anybody else with more information?

GK[/QUOTE]GK

You're right, W Garden is closed. In fact, more precisely, there are even big concrete blocks blocking the main enrance.

I'll be in Sampa in a couple of weeks. It seems that a lot of things I've changed (Clinica Kin, Berrini, W Garden). I'll report live in a couple of week with updates.

Hey G / K,

I sent you a pm but it came back saying you have exceded your limits. Please clear some space so I can resend it.

Q

[QUOTE=Quackup; 1136016]Hey G / K,

I sent you a pm but it came back saying you have exceded your limits. Please clear some space so I can resend it.

Q[/QUOTE]Thanks for the notice. Its taken care of now.

GK

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1135494]GK

You're right, W Garden is closed. In fact, more precisely, there are even big concrete blocks blocking the main enrance.

I'll be in Sampa in a couple of weeks. It seems that a lot of things I've changed (Clinica Kin, Berrini, W Garden). I'll report live in a couple of week with updates. [/QUOTE]Yes, its sealed by city hall. They normally don't do that for minor issues like lack of lisence etc, but I can't find anything on the online newspapers about this. When Bahamas and WE was sealed the same way that was big news.

GK

Well, it seems that Garden W is not the only one to be a vestige of a certain era in Sampa.

I've just discoverred today that Nova Maison is closed for good.

Here's a newspaper article reporting that story (in Portuguese)

[url]http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/878370-predios-expulsam-clubes-masculinos-e-mudam-augusta.shtml[/url]

They will tear the bulding down and they will send the land for the erection of buildings. At least the vocation of the land wont change that much...still in the buiseness of erection.

I'll tried to make the light concerning the case of the supposed reopening of « Bahamas »

Hey guys,

Anything to do on a Sunday, any places open this evening?

I'm looking for a tour guide / wingman to show me around day / nightlife, if there are any recommendations please let me know,

Cheers

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1137656]Well, it seems that Garden W is not the only one to be a vestige of a certain era in Sampa.

They will tear the bulding down and they will send the land for the erection of buildings. At least the vocation of the land won't change that much. Still in the buiseness of erection.[/QUOTE]The bulldozers are moving on Augusta with no indication they'll be a lapse into inactive construction site mode. Some other buildings look to be next. Hasn't affected the Saturday party though. Last night just so much to choose from til dawn.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1138325]Hey guys,

Anything to do on a Sunday, any places open this evening?

I'm looking for a tour guide / wingman to show me around day / nightlife, if there are any recommendations please let me know,

Cheers[/QUOTE]From my personal files:

Clnicas

Clinica Washi R. Dr José Queirós Aranha. 148. Vila Mariana (11) 5579-8587. /R$ 140.

Clinica Saigon (Ex- Nova Amazon). R. Antônio de Macedo Soares. 1589. Campo Belo – (11) 5536-3537/5561-0031 / R$ 130

Clinica New Time : Rua Nilo. 395 – Paraíso (11) 3287-9593 R$ 100.

[url]http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/freeclinics/04192/main.htm[/url]

Clinica Toque de Lua : Rua Clemente Pereira. 589 sala 01. Ipiranga. (11) 3494-3060 / R$ 100.

CLínica Bangkok : Praça Monteiro dos Santos. 65, near Vila Mariana subway station, (11) 5573-4691 e 5083-9657, R$ 100. (I'm not that sure they are still open on Sundays. It's the former Clinica Antidoto which moved to that new location a coup-le of weeks ago (March 2011)

Clinica New Tokio: Rua Caramuru. 127. Sta Cruz, (11) 5072-2016/5581-5195

[url]http://www.newtokio.com.br/[/url]

Privê Av. Prof. Ascendino Reis. 447 (Ex Rua dos Otonis 541).5579-2228. 55792228 / R$ 100.

Avenida Brigadeiro Luís Antônio. 4554. Jardim Paulista (11) 3051-2890.

Pri vê the Rua Jovita 347, Santana (11) 6283-1594/6283-0828 R$ 120.

Privê the Rua Dr. Gabriel Piza 523, Santana (11) 2978-5327.

Privê the Av. Dos Eucaliptos. 657. Moema – (11) 5041-4658 / R$ 120.

Privê the Al. Dos Jurupis. 1408. Moema – (11) 5533-2986/ (11) 5096-2800/5096-1256 / R$ 100.

Privê the Al. Ameida Jaú.480. Jardim. Paulista. (11) 3284-7981 / R$ 120.


I've also heard that the following ones are also probably open on Sundays:

Cursino. 2259. Tel. 5073-9111

Jovita. 546. Tel. 2972-1012

Olavo Egídio. 931. Tel. 2959-8847

Rosas. 732. Tel. 5589-2004.

Otonis. 541 – F: 5579-2228

Jovita. 237 – F: 6285-1594

Loefgreen. 1448 – F: 5539-4490

Panamericana. 84 – F: 5071-0175

Álvaro Rodrigues. 383 – F: 5543-8287.

Privê Fetiche e Magia. R. Dos Otonis. 600 (ex Loefgreen. 1448)

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1138325]Hey guys,

Anything to do on a Sunday, any places open this evening? [/QUOTE]Hotel Kim on Bento Frio, one block from Praca Republica. (same side as Love Story) 24/7.

IMPERIUM : Avenida Presidente Tancredo Neves. 670, Ipiranga. (11) 5061-2488.

HAVAI NIGHT CLUB: Avenida Edgar Facó.276 – Pirituba. (11) 3991-3663.

Love Dance Café. Av. Brg. Faria Lima. 850. Pinheiros../R$ 80.

KILT: Rua Nestor Pestana. 266 – República (11) 3258-7407.

[url]http://www.kiltshows.com.br/[/url]

Among this list Kilt seems to be the obvious choice.

Hi All,

Don't laugh at me but I have never done a prostitute. As I always thought it to be in the moral grey area. And that is because I never knew there are some girls out there who are not forced into this profession, but rather take it up as a personal choice.

Looking at a few posts in the Sao Paulo thread it looks like there could be some girls who made this choice.

And am new to this country, really horny and now open to try prostitution for the first time after hearing so many good reports in these posts here. I always thought prostitutes just undress, ask you to drill the hole till your cum and then tell you to fuck off.

So can somebody let me know of any girls who go by the websites (where I can get their direct numbers from) and like doing their job. Would prefer to go over to these girl's places and enjoy life a bit more.

Thanks,

Gringo

[QUOTE=CrazyGringo; 1138575]Hi All,

Don't laugh at me but I have never done a prostitute. As I always thought it to be in the moral grey area. And that is because I never knew there are some girls out there who are not forced into this profession, but rather take it up as a personal choice.

Gringo[/QUOTE]The epitome of GDP as choice of career is Bruna Surfistinha. She was a kind of « role model » for a cohort of young Brazilian girls in search of easy money that could be spend on cellular, clothes, travels and other luxury goods.

Bruna was a freelance escort woking several years in São Paulo.

Trailer of the film (that was released in the first weeks of March) : [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKuCSA2c0U[/url]

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1138859]Bruna was a freelance escort working several years in São Paulo.

Url][/QUOTE]This girl could be apocryphal for all we know. The world's imagination is full of girls like this. Try Paolo Coelho's book Onze Minutos (11 Minutes, easily found in English) based on a similar type GdP. It came out about eight years' ago and really resonated amongst Brazilians. Can't say I agree with all of it, but there are insights

Is cafe Foto open and are there other similar options in Sao Paolo. I am planning my first trip to Brazil and am torn between Rio and Sao Paulo. I prefer the fair skinned honeys. Are they available in both cities. Looking for high end experiences only.

Thanks for your input guys.

[QUOTE=Pepe Tolete; 1139703]Is cafe Foto open and are there other similar options in Sao Paolo. I am planning my first trip to Brazil and am torn between Rio and Sao Paulo. I prefer the fair skinned honeys. Are they available in both cities. Looking for high end experiences only.

Thanks for your input guys. [/QUOTE]Is Cafe Photo is still open.

In terms of diversity, São Paulo is a lot better than Rio. From the dark mulata to the women of European descent (such as Poland, Ukrania, Italy, Norway, etc) passing by the nissei (from Japanese descent) and the morena jambo.

[QUOTE=Pepe Tolete; 1139703]Is cafe Foto open and are there other similar options in Sao Paolo. I am planning my first trip to Brazil and am torn between Rio and Sao Paulo. I prefer the fair skinned honeys. Are they available in both cities. Looking for high end experiences only.

[/QUOTE]Sao Paolo. More variety, more places, more girls, better quality. Not the best place to hang out longer term in the daytime though for relaxing, but depends what time of year you plan on being there.

Hey, thanks for all the info but I'm staying about 15km out of town, and getting a bit bored through lack of action.

So I want to come to the centre where the action / nightlife is this weekend maybe from tomor.

Please can you suggest one or two reasonably priced well located hotels. Maybe in villa madalena as it seems like there are some bars close together and it's not too far from Paulista either.

I'm going to go for normal girls in bars, clubs, so I'd be interested to stay close to some regular bars (not high end and not trashy, somewhere easygoing and friendly) I. E. Bars good for pick up. I'm thinking of ending up in lovestory after the bars. Dolores bar looks good on the net but I don't know if it's still open. Don't know which area O'Mallys is in but it sounds like a good start off point. Any other suggestions would be good.

If any guys are out and about & want to wing me, feel free to get in touch.

P. S.

What's a prive, is that the same as a boate?

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1139791].

Please can you suggest one or two reasonably priced well located hotels. Maybe in villa madalena as it seems like there are some bars close together and it's not too far from Paulista either.

Don't know which area O'Mallys is in but it sounds like a good start off point. Any other suggestions would be good.

What's a prive, is that the same as a boate? [/QUOTE]Answers.

1) Here's a list of hotels in the region of Vila Madalena.

[url]http://www.hotel.info/fr.hotels/Sao_Paulo_Vila_Madalena_147611/hotels.aspx[/url]

2) O'Mallys is located in the beginning of Jardins on Alameda Itú.

[url]http://www.omalleysbar.net/[/url]

Here's a map where you can locate O'Malleys : [url]http://www.omalleysbar.net/mapa.htm[/url]

3) A privê is basically a brothel, a « *****house ». It can rank from the low end vintaoes (R$20) up to $R100 venues. There's no need to say that the quality of the girls vary in proportion to the amount of money you pay. Expect to find 4/10 to 7/10 garotas in vintaoes. In the « upscale » privês girls are in average around 7/10. 8/10. The rooms may be very basic either with a shower inside the room or located in a corridor outside the room. Towels maybe wrapped (lacradas) and clean or « so and so » (in vintaoes). In privês girls parade in front of you, present themselves, kiss you on the cheeks and say: « Fique à vontade » (Make yourself comfortable). Ad the end of the presentation (presentação) you tell the « Madam » which one you like and pick up the girl you want. 1/2h and 1h sessions are available.

Visited Redway on Saturday. Ran into a fellow ISG member in the entryway.

Detailed Directions if you don't have a car and don't want to pay a fortune in taxis:

Take the Blue (Azul) Metro to the Ana Rosa station.

Exit the Ana Rosa metro on the Verguiero side.

Turn left out of the station go a very short distance to the first street R Machado de Assis.

Turn left and go down the hill about four blocks. When you see the Droga Nossa pharmacy on the RH street corner you're almost there.

Continue down the street for a few meters and the house is on the LH side. If you go to Google maps and select the street view it is the olive green house with the wood door next to the Bilhar Bar. Push the intercom button and you'll be buzzed in.

The mommy spoke a tiny bit of Ingles. You'll sit in a comfortable anteroom and the girls will come out, give you a traditional kiss on the right cheek and say their name. There were about five girls working that day. You can relax, have a drink and chat with others and there is no pressure to select a girl right away. It was quite busy in the afternoon when I visited the place. Apparently there was a room shortage so you have to wait if you want to use one of the three rooms in the house or you can go to the annex with your girl (its a couple of blocks down the street) I choose a tall MILF. Shayla and we went down the street to the annex. The room was nothing to write home about. There was a common shower and the towels were in a sealed plastic sack (good sign). I showered and went back to the room. Shayla went in separately after putting on a sheet on the bed. The sheet had seen better days.

Using my phone and Google translate I explained what I wanted (lots of oral, kissing) and she said she liked that as well. Shayla was very passionate and gave me the best GFE treatment I've ever had Full on french kissing and BBBJ with lots of cuddling and rolling around. DATY, etc. We did a variety of positions and she offered anal for an additional 50 R$. She only used gel for the anal, the rest of the time she was naturally wet. We had a great time and then showered together before getting dressed. BTW if the other rooms are in use you have to check first before going out into the common area. When we left it had started to rain, so I caught a cab back to the metro station ( 10 R$).

Total damages. 150 R$ (including anal)

Summary:

Rating. 8.5 overall experience.

Shayla. 9 for enthusiasm and GFE. 6.5 for looks.

Shayla's stats:

Age: Said she was 39.

Hair. Blonde, shaved.

Height. 1.7m.

Weight = 45 kg. Trim with a little belly fat.

Boobs. 34 be / see. Nice and natural with a little sag. Nice, responsive nipples.

Tush. Nice for her age.

I'll definitely be back to Redway again!

[QUOTE=GoldMeister; 1141520]Visited Redway on Saturday. Ran into a fellow ISG member in the entryway.

Take the Blue (Azul) Metro to the Ana Rosa station.

Exit the Ana Rosa metro on the Verguiero side.

Turn left out of the station go a very short distance to the first street R Machado de Assis.[/QUOTE]Gald to hear you got lucky. Several weeks ago, all I saw there was old, overweight and out-of-shape. No cause for a special trip for that. Comparable talent can be found in nearby in a second-storey privy: on the short walk between subway exit and first street, look for an open doorway on your left. Also nearby on Ave Domingo in 1400 block there are two more. The type with bar, lounge designed to snag Brazilian guys on their way home from work. Freshly renovated with 100 reale hourly rate

Goldemiester,

I tried to send a private message but could not find out to send, Anyways, great to meet you at Redway.

Jim

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Staying at the Sheratonin Morumbi, decided to try a place in walking distance (30 min). Clinica Asshai R Luis Gonzaga De Azevedo Neto 213 Phone: 3758 0398.

There is no English spoken here, they first gave me a book with photos, I asked to see all the ladies. They had 10 ladies most 6's a couple 8's and 1 9+. I chose Sol, the definite Queen of the Prom.

Sol is in ther early 20's very pretty, a very well proportioned body. 36 23 36, perfect skin, beautiful smile about 102 lbs. She came into the room wearing a white medical smock, when she removed it I was astonished by how perfect her body was. Her service was great a true GFE, very responsive to the deed. I have been to Brazil 25+ times, she was by far the best I have ever encountered. Price was 140 Real.

I have been reading this forum for a while trying to get ready for my trip. I will be staying Itiam Bibi. Are there any prive with good talent in the area? It would be if they are open on Sunday.

Thanks for help.

[QUOTE=Supafly11; 1143060]I have been reading this forum for a while trying to get ready for my trip. I will be staying Itiam Bibi. Are there any prive with good talent in the area? It would be if they are open on Sunday.

Thanks for help. [/QUOTE]Last week.

(or two weeks ago) , I have posted a list of privê open on Sunday.

There's the possibility of visiting a Privê in Moema (Moema is adjacent to Itaim Bibi)

657 Avenida dos Eucaliptos, Moema (between Santo Amaro and Ibirapuera).

Phone: (11) 5041-4658.

Credit cards accepted.

Be aware however that's a privê, I. E. The quality of the room is not top notch and the garotas are mostly average. But now and then you can find gems there.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1137656]Well, it seems that Garden W is not the only one to be a vestige of a certain era in Sampa. I've just discoverred today that Nova Maison is closed for good.

Here's a newspaper article reporting that story (in Portuguese).

[url]http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/878370-predios-expulsam-clubes-masculinos-e-mudam-augusta.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]"Em minhas previsões mais otimistas, a Augusta do entretenimento noturno masculino deve sumir them quatro anos", afirmou na última another siteça-feira Carlos Garcia. 46, porteiro the boate Maison" (Taken from the Folha News article above).

1) According to this Augusta porteria, he thinks the night-clubs and bars will all disappear in 4years. What I what to ask many of you SP sexperts is, whether or not, this is a one-or-two occurrence in closures or is Carlos absolutely correct and the action on Augusta will be gone in 4yrs time?

2) And if so, are closures the general trend for GDP type boites, night-clubs and bars in SP? Meaning the SP prefeitura (I assume) is cleaning house?

Would love to get your thoughts on the subject! Thanks!

[QUOTE=Spidy; 1143359]1) night-clubs and bars will all disappear in 4years.

2) are closures the general trend for GDP type boites, night-clubs and bars in SP? Meaning the SP prefeitura (I assume) is cleaning house? [/QUOTE]Spidy,

I'm not per se an expert on the São Paulo scene but I can tell that there's is nothing new under the sun. As far as I remember (I have a modest 6 years experience in Sampa) the closure of clubs is nothing new: take for instance the several closing and reopening of the Bomboa (because a judge was living close to the club) , the disparition of the Bahamas, the Solid Gold, the privê on Praça das Arvores, and a thousand others, and so on.

There's a general turn, however, to clean the area around the Jardim the Luz where there are several pontos (spots) where you can pick up SW. Under the Kassab administration they wanted to gentrify this (gloomy!) part of the town.

There will always be high end boates in São Paulo: Café Photo, for instance, is in good health (even if they moved not so long ago).

Visit a predio (like those infamous 9-storey brothels in Santa Cecilia or Republica and Liberdade) a Saturday afternoon and you'll realize how buzy are the GDP tho satisfy an ever growing clientele! LOL.

I was in Connection last night (Saturday) , only about 20 GDPs but still a nice selection. I spoke with one girl and she told me they are open on Sundays from 4pm. 3am (probably closes earlier if there are no customers). Sunday will be weak but at least they are open.

[url]http://www.connectionvip.com.br/[/url]

They had about 50 girls last Thursday.

80R to enter the boite, minimum consumption, can be used for drinks and food.

80R for the room (1hr)

200-300R for GDP.

It is crazy expensive to get there by cab, take the metro to Tatuape station and then taxi to the club which will be under 20R. Dig deeper and you can take a bus that will stop a block from the club. Just use google maps to give you directions from your hotel to the hobby destination that you want. Bitchmaps. Com is a good place to start, even though the GPGuia addresses they reference are a few years old, most of the places will be accurate.

I am trying to give a fellow monger a price breakdown of Bomboa / Scandallo Lounge and Cafe Photo, but things might have changed since I was in SP last time and the first two clubs are not very well known to me. Can you correct my figures here if you know they are not correct.

Bomboa:
- Entry R$100 (Two free drinks)
- Exit fee R$120
- Smallest room R$100
- Garota R$250 - R$300

Scandallo Lounge:
- Entry R$100 (Two free drinks)
- Exit fee R$120
- Smallest room R$100
- Garota R$250 - R$300

Cafe Photo:
- Entry R$190 (Four free drinks)
- Exit fee R$0
- No rooms on site
- Garota R$500 - R$600

If these figures are correct, it seems to me that Cafe Photo is not that much more expensive than Scandallo Lounge and Bomboa, it is just that more money is flowing to the garotas at Cafe Photo. This is based on that you drink four drinks or more.

GK

[QUOTE=Spidy; 1143359]"them minhas previsões mais otimistas, a Augusta do entretenimento noturno masculino deve sumir them quatro anos", afirmou na última another siteça-feira Carlos Garcia. 46, porteiro the boate Maison" (Taken from the Folha News article above).

1) According to this Augusta porteria, he thinks the night-clubs and bars will all disappear in 4years. What I what to ask many of you SP sexperts is, whether or not, this is a one-or-two occurrence in closures or is Carlos absolutely correct and the action on Augusta will be gone in 4yrs time?

2) And if so, are closures the general trend for GDP type boites, night-clubs and bars in SP? Meaning the SP prefeitura (I assume) is cleaning house?

Would love to get your thoughts on the subject! Thanks! [/QUOTE]Augusta is scheduled to become a new neo-bohemia "in" bairro.

The adjoining neighbour Bela Vista, which is the "in" place that goes up, has already been through the cleaning process.

Caught the Gol flight from the International airport in Rio to the domestic airport in Sao Paulo because at the time of booking, the price came out to a little bit over $100 USD. Great price considering going from Santo Dumont to Congohaus was about $200 USD roundtrip.

At the s / p airport we went to the main section to catch a cab. Just like in Rio, it cheaper this way unless you hit alot of traffic.

Today, I had arranged an incall with Paola at 16:00. Here is her website. [url]http://paolasperotto.blogs.sapo.pt/[/url] She called and said she was running late but she would be there. She finally arrive around 17:00. Her rates are are$300 for about one hour and a half. She is not a clock watcher and she has one of the best bodies I have seen in Brazil. She said she goes to the gym regularly and it shows. Her session was good, the only complaint I have is her kissing. She likes the soft kisses with tongue whereas I like the balls out slopping type of kissing with the tongue down your throat. But overall, a good session.

After my session, met up with my buddy to have dinner at an Argentine steak house near the Intercontinental hotel on Paulista ave. The food was good but pricey. Many tourist in the area.

After dinner we couldn't decide where to go. Cafe Foto, Bomboa's, Kilts? We decided on Trivolys. I went there two years ago and it was pretty good. Hopefully it would be the same. We get there, the price to go in, are$100 which you could use are$50. 00 in compsumption. Not great, not bad. That is until we went in. Talent was way down, and it seemed there were many sharks there. Alot of the girls would introduce themselves, not even kiss the cheek and either ask for a drink, or to go upstairs right away. I didn't like the vibe but my buddy wanted to stay hoping a gem would apear. Well after playing pool to past the time, my buddy finally took a girl upstairs. He said it was just alright, nothing spectacular. Only good thing about the place, they had the Lakers vs Utah game on so I could at least watch the game while waiting for my buddy. At least this year, I would give this place a thumbs down

Today, again I arranged for an incall. This time with a girl named Rebeca. Here is her website. [url]http://rebekamoritz.********.com/?zx=65e98186073892b2[/url]

She has good reviews on gpguia so what the heck. In the meantime, my buddy went to Ele & Elas to past the time.

The schedule time was for 16:00. At 16:15 she still hasn't shown up. I tried calling her, but just get voicemail. 16:30 still no Rebeca. I gave her until 17:00 before blowing her off.

Well 17:00 comes along and no Rebeca. I guess she changed her mind but it would have been nice if she would have called to let me know. So instead, I took a nap until my buddy called.

He said Ele & Elas was slow and the entrance was now are$120 with 8 drinks included. To me still not good especially if the girls aren't that good looking.

I told him to meet me at at the Pariaso (sp) metro stop so we could go to Connections night club. I have never been and there have been only so many reports about the place, I was curious.

So we meet at the metro stop, get on the right metro to the Se metro stop change trains and head off to Tatuape metro stop.

The Tatuape metro stop is cool because it is connected to a shopping mall. As soon as we go into the mall, it's starts to rain. The taxis are located on one side of the mall but since it was raining we decided to hang out a little at the mall to see if the rain would let up.

After 1/2 hour the rain let up enough where we ran to the taxi stand and asked the driver if he knew where connections was. He said yes and off we went.

It seemed like a 20 minute drive so the club is pretty far from centro s / p. As we are driving up, I turned to my buddy and said look at this blond chick walking on the sidewalk. Absolutely beautiful. Two seconds later, the cab turns into Connections. As we get out, I see the blond chick walking toward us to the entrance of the club. I didn't wait. I said Hello, and asked her if she worked there. She said yes and I told her when she changes to seek me out in the club. She smiles and said she would.

The entrance to Connections is are$80. 00 with are$50. 00 towards comsumption. The rooms I believe were are$80. 00 and the girls range from are$200 and up. They do have 1/2 hours rate.

This was my first time in the club and I was quite impressed. It was sort of a cross between Bahamas and W. E. When you first walk in, the main boite where the music is playing and the strip shows takes place. When you get to the end of the main boite, there is an automatic door which leads to the dinner and relax room. Very quiet and you could actually have a converstion without too much distractions.

Once past this second room there is another bar and tables. I believe you can smoke back there if you choose. But the best part of the club, of course, the ladies. This was the best selection of ladies in one club and this was a Saturday night. All the girls I spoke with told me during the week the lineup is even stronger. I think this will be a regular stop for me anytime I'am in s / p.

Getting back to the girls, after the tour of the place I was sitting in the first room relaxing with my buddy. Two good looking girls introduced themselves to us. We we talking for about 1/2 hour having a good time when the blond from earlier shows up.

She asked if she was interrupting, and I said no, come and join us. I guess the other I was talking too, knew I wanted this blond so she excused herself and left. Mental note, do her after the blond.

The blonds name was Ileana and she spoke English. Boy, finding two girls speaking perfect English, crazy. After conversing for about an hour we agree to go upstairs. She said the lowest she would go would be are$300. 00 She was so hot, I acepted. I wanted no regrets on this trip.

The session was excellent. I figure what I saved from my no show earlier, was well spent here. No regret.

After the session, came back to have dinner at the club. Not bad and since I don't drink, I was using my dinner for the comsumption part of my entrance fee.

Once dinner was done, I went to look for the other girl I was talking with, but when I went to the first boite, I saw her leaving. I guess this club opens early and they have different shifts of girls. If only I knew.

Anyways, we stay at the club until around 03:30 and just as we are leaving, I see a Salma Hayek look alike. I went up to her and introduced myself and asked her where she was all this time. She said she was around, don't know how I missed her but she gave me her phone number. I told her I probably wouldn't be back until next year, but she said that was okay and hopefully we could hook up next year. My ego just went up the roof.

I would rate this club, two thumbs up. Even if its far, I highly recommend this club. Prices are better than Cafe Foto and Bomboa's.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1143830]I am trying to give a fellow monger a price breakdown of Bomboa / Scandallo Lounge and Cafe Photo, but things might have changed since I was in SP last time and the first two clubs are not very well known to me. Can you correct my figures here if you know they are not correct.

Bomboa:

- Entry R$100 (Two free drinks)

- Exit fee R$120.

- Smallest room R$100.

- Garota R$250. R$300.

Scandallo Lounge:

- Entry R$100 (Two free drinks)

- Exit fee R$120.

- Smallest room R$100.

- Garota R$250. R$300.

Cafe Photo:

- Entry R$190 (Four free drinks)

- Exit fee R$0.

- No rooms on site.

- Garota R$500. R$600.

If these figures are correct, it seems to me that Cafe Photo is not that much more expensive than Scandallo Lounge and Bomboa, it is just that more money is flowing to the garotas at Cafe Photo. This is based on that you drink four drinks or more.

GK[/QUOTE]Those are old prices, the new prices are:

Cafe photo: 150 for entry all else same.

Bamboa: 200 for entry includes drinks and food, exit fee is 100, all else same.

Scandello: 150 for entry includes drinks and food, exit fee is 200

How many drinks are included in the entrance fee at Scandallo Lounge, Bomboa and Cafe Photo?

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1144008]How many drinks are included in the entrance fee at Scandallo Lounge, Bomboa and Cafe Photo?

GK[/QUOTE]At bomboa tonight, you had R$200 entrada that counts towards consumption. The price of every single whiskey was R$40. My chick has a peach juice, and after that my consumption total was R$135 remaining. So R$200 less R$40 less R$25 (for peach juice!).

They tag you with a 10% service charge when you pay. So it's R$220 total. Fuckers.

So I went to Bomboa tonight on a trip to SP up from Rio. Thanks to GK for some tips on directions etc. It's not hard to find. Just type the name into Google Maps. It's pretty close to the Ibis Hotel at the end of Av. Paulista. I took a taxi from down the street and it was like R$10 each way.

Get there and there are fat bouncers hanging around. Long walkways to get inside. Metal detector (walk thru) LOL. R$200 entrada towards consumption in the restaurant or bar inside. Looks and feels like a gussied-up Holiday Inn inside. Like you are in a Courtyard or Holiday Inn lounge. Right down to the 4 piece band playing (though they did bust out "Under The Bridge" so I give the guitarist some props).

Monday night, a bit quiet. Lots of girls in various dresses. Some slutty, others more classy. My favorite was a girl basically wearing a blazer taped down to her nipples and no shirt. We'll call her Cover Girl and come back to her.

Every whiskey they have. And it's all crap, Jack Daniels, Grant's, White Horse, Red / Black label. Has R$40 price tag. Turns out peach juice has a R$25 price tag. Meh. Get a drink and walk around a bit trying to suss the place out. Some heinous blond chick approaches me. I say a few words in porto and tell her not to waste time with me. Then I see miss Cover Girl. Basically I see her breasts popping out and then her. She comes over to chat. We talk in Portuguese for a while, she says she knows no English. She corrects me a few times, in verbs and words. Amusing. Always good to learn. I ask her if she lost her shirt lol ;) She's a little forceful on pushing me to go upstairs. Keeps telling me it's "the best time" (10. 30pm) and we can take time to enamorar. I'm game to see her limits so I ask her, para evitar mal-entendidas, to describe what she likes in the room. I get the standard "tudo" answer and push it. She admits to eveything including "anal" un poquinho LOL. Because it hurts. Whatever.

In our chat, it turns out she tells me she's the cover girl on some mens magazines. I thought initially she was saying she was a journalist, LOL. Bad porto. Anyway, she says she only works a few nights at Bomboa and does cover-girl shit the rest of the time. I'm not impressed. Then we get down to business. I ask what a fair price is to go upstairs. She says R$600. I pick myself off the floor and say. "Wow, I have enjoyed talking with you but we have to stop talking now." She's like, why? I say, look, that is more than 2x what I pay in Rio. She says, but I'm a cover girl. I'm like, well, I'm going to go walk around a bit and we'll see later. She persists, saying "well, if we go right now you can have me for R$500" . I demure, and walk away.

Walk over to talk to a little brunette I'd seen earlier. She seems more relaxed so I go up to her at the bar and start talking in Porto. Much better vibe, friendly, relaxed. Says she's from Rio but has been in SP for 5 years, studying at pharmacy school. Doesn't really speak English. I get by in Porto. She starts to hard sell a bit too, and so I go through the standard drill. Para evitar mal-entendidos, etc. She says R$300. I say, wow, that's more than I pay in Rio. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested, but I'm not sure. She quickly negotiates herself down to R$250 and I'm like, OK,"negocio fechado!" We hang out at the bar a little. She gets her R$25 peach juice.

On the way out, you pay the consumption tab first. Mine is the R$200 entrada plus they tag you for 10% service (R$20) , so R$220 total. Service hah!

Hotel next door is reached through the garage, classy. Room is R$120 for 1 hour. Room itself is actually pretty big with nicely placed mirrors. She's way too distant in the room. Doesn't really like to kiss, wants to do everything her way. I get way more intimacy from Terma girls in Rio, even some prive girls. After swearing she could suck deep, she sort of tip-swabs for a while. It's a crying shame because she is really pretty with a thin, toned, natural body and a fresh kitty. Sex is mediocre at best. She really turns me off with the "goiza para mim" talk. I get the sense this is a 1-pop and done event, despite the "hour." I'm right. She wants to stop after one shot (which she dodges from me dropping on her titties, BTW). That's 40 minutes in. That is complete BULL SHIT. At the T's when you pay for an hour you get an hour and at least 2 pops. Even lower-end T's like 502. This is a weak experience on par with a mediocre fuck I had a Bel Prazer. But that one only cost me R$120 or whatever for the hour. And I got a delicious churro afterwards.

All in all, I'm very disappointed. For those kind of prices. R$220 plus R$120 plus R$250, or R$590 before total R$20 taxi. I expect to be serviced like a king. Can you imagine if I had paid cover girl her R$500? This is crap.

The other night at MC, I (a) got my free entrance and (be) dropped $R370 plus R$12 drinks for an hour with a very sexy 23 whyear old who made out with me like a horny teenager and took it receptively with gusto in all holes. And took 2 (count 'em) 2 shots in the mouth. Not on the mouth, in it. I came 2x and would have kept going if I could. And I thought that was a bit pricey.

I think I'm underestimating Rio.

Back in SP on Thurs / Fri and will have to try other places. Any recommendations for well-behaved girls you can take back to your hotel?

ONE MORE THING: When I was negotiating with Cover Girl, she said "R$600 is the standard price here -- you won't find lower." Then she dropped it to R$500. Then brunette said "R$300 is the standard price here ...." and then she dropped it to R$250. I HATE that shit. It's like being at balcony. Some skank at Barbarella tried to pull this R$600 shit on me and a visiting friend (after I'd told her I FUCKING LIVE HERE) and my friend actually just laughed at her. At least at T's the pricing is square. And at FKKs you know exactly what you are going to get down to the Euro. FUCKERS.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Quackup;1143864]Caught the Gol flight from the International airport in Rio to the domestic airport in Sao Paulo because at the time of booking, the price came out to a little bit over $100 USD. Great price considering going from Santo Dumont to Congohaus was about $200 USD roundtrip.n[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good reports Quackup. Can you list the addresses of some of the places like.

- Eu e Elas (couldn't find on Google Maps)

- Connections.

Anywhere else you really liked?

Thanks.

-Cartman

Now that's funny shit Cartman! 2 thumbs down.

Sorry about that Cartman!

I think many of the garotas working in the more expensive clubs in SP usually fit into two categories. Sharks and gems. There are probably more sharks than in the Rio Ts, and because of that the interview process might be even more important.

Secondly I think that many of the girls at the clubs where there are rooms in the house tend to try to rush the action in the room to be able to return to the floor and find a new client as soon as possible. This is one of the reasons I usually take the girls out. However I assume you paid the girl directly after the session? When she pulls a stunt like she did with you just tell her services and hours wasn't as agreed and give her just the amount you think she deserves.

Another way to get around this is to tell her during negotiations that her payment is performance based. If her services and hours are as agreed she will get the agreed amount, otherwise there will be deductions. Tell her its nothing personal otherwise you wouldn't be discussing prices with her at all. It is just that you have been with several girls not delivering as promised and need a way to avoid that.

GK

The more expensive scene in SP is really hit and miss unless you are well connected with some of the local insiders. For that kind of money you are much better off going to some of the many Clinicas in the city or head to Tatuape, just like Quackup just did and head to Connection or a little spot called Playboy Club (No association). Moema is not bad either. That's where you will probably get the most bang for your buck because it is the same stupid gals (Connection) trying to get money to go to the high end places like Cafe Photo, Bomboa, etc. Same crap that used to go on during Help's heyday (To a much lesser extent: 10's vs faveladas) when it was open with the faveladas going to VM and then goosing themselves up to trap a tourist for a 25X payday in an hour! Thank goodness that place was blown the f*ck down.

You seem to value your time more than what you spend, so if it is the high end places you seek, read the review carefuly of the gals that are available on GPGUIA. You know what I'm talking about. Find several providers with a good description / performances and just be patient. Not all the providers at these places is as awful as the one you happen to encounter. This way regardless of where you go you can have a starting point and then let the fun begin. Good luck.

Hi all.

I'll be of Sao Paulo later this month and will have very limited "leisure time". Basically will have 3-4 hours on a Sunday evening and so don't want to waste time or hit the wrong place as I only have one chance to get it right.

Speaking zero Portugese, looking for a brothel which:

1) has a wide selection of girls,

2. Good to high quality and

3. A set / fixed price set-up without lady drinks to minimise the chances of getting fleeced / paying over the odds when thinking with my dick.

4. Hoping to have 2 girls with a breather between sessions without having to leave the establishment.

A FKK style place would be just the ticket as would something akin to the Eden Club in Bangkok or even Sandys in Manchester, UK. Basically a good old fashioned cathouse!

Read the last few pages and thought Bomboa was the ticket but after reading Cartman's report not so sure. Was also referred to this excellent link [url]http://clinicasdemassagem.com/[/url] And clinicaallure [url]http://www.clinicaallure.com.br/[/url] Seems the most appetizing.

Any suggestions / an overview from more experienced SP hands would be greatly appreciated and of course I will report back on exploits (too many take the tips but don't give the feedback)!

Here is the address to Eu & Elas. Rua Pires de Mota. 414 . Aclimacao. Their phone number is (11) 3209-2756.

If you take the metro, get off at Paraiso and from there the taxi should be less than are$10. 00.

Connections addrss is Av. Dr. Eduardo Catching. 1178.

Jd. Analia Franco. Located in the district of Tatuape.

Their phone number is (11) 6674. 4702. If you take the metro, get off at Tatuape, the taxi from there should be less than are$20. 00.

Sorry about your experience at Bomboa's. This used to be one of my favorite clubs. Two years ago when I last went, both girls I did, did a CBJ. After that, I said no more Bomboa's unless someone tells me it's change for the good.

Of the two clubs above, I would go to Connections. The selection was way better and you know the price range should not go over are$300. Are$350. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1144217]Now that's funny shit Cartman! 2 thumbs down.[/QUOTE]

Quite literally 2 thumbs down, as I'd been here a few months before and found many of the issues that Cartman's now reporting-- surprise charges, overpriced drinks, overpriced girls, mal-entendidas in the room. If I do make it back to São Paulo, Casarão and the Rua Augusta area will be top of my list (assuming they haven't been gentrified by then), as will Redway.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1144265]When she pulls a stunt like she did with you just tell her services and hours wasn't as agreed and give her just the amount you think she deserves.[/QUOTE]

When the girl I chose tried something similar with me I simply got up and started to walk out on her. She relented, but are you telling me that if she didn't I could have just kept going or thrown R$50 or so her way? I think that Knuckles the Bouncer might have something to say were I or anyone else to do that.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1144275]You seem to value your time more than what you spend, so if it is the high end places you seek, read the review carefuly of the gals that are available on GPGUIA.[/QUOTE]

Except that the Bomboa section of GPGuia is no longer available. It is available on ForumSD, however.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1144209]So I went to Bomboa tonight on a trip to SP up from Rio. Thanks to GK for some tips on directions etc. It's not hard to find. Just type the name into Google Maps. It's pretty close to the Ibis Hotel at the end of Av. Paulista. I took a taxi from down the street and it was like R$10 each way.

Get there and there are fat bouncers hanging around. Long walkways to get inside. Metal detector (walk thru) LOL. R$200 entrada towards consumption in the restaurant or bar inside. Looks and feels like a gussied-up Holiday Inn inside. Like you are in a Courtyard or Holiday Inn lounge. Right down to the 4 piece band playing (though they did bust out "Under The Bridge" so I give the guitarist some props).

Monday night, a bit quiet. Lots of girls in various dresses. Some slutty, others more classy. My favorite was a girl basically wearing a blazer taped down to her nipples and no shirt. We'll call her Cover Girl and come back to her.

Every whiskey they have. And it's all crap, Jack Daniels, Grant's, White Horse, Red / Black label. Has R$40 price tag. Turns out peach juice has a R$25 price tag. Meh. Get a drink and walk around a bit trying to suss the place out. Some heinous blond chick approaches me. I say a few words in porto and tell her not to waste time with me. Then I see miss Cover Girl. Basically I see her breasts popping out and then her. She comes over to chat. We talk in Portuguese for a while, she says she knows no English. She corrects me a few times, in verbs and words. Amusing. Always good to learn. I ask her if she lost her shirt LOL. She's a little forceful on pushing me to go upstairs. Keeps telling me it's "the best time" (10. 30pm) and we can take time to enamorar. I'm game to see her limits so I ask her, para evitar mal-entendidas, to describe what she likes in the room. I get the standard "tudo" answer and push it. She admits to eveything including "anal" un poquinho LOL. Because it hurts. Whatever.

In our chat, it turns out she tells me she's the cover girl on some mens magazines. I thought initially she was saying she was a journalist, LOL. Bad porto. Anyway, she says she only works a few nights at Bomboa and does cover-girl shit the rest of the time. I'm not impressed. Then we get down to business. I ask what a fair price is to go upstairs. She says R$600. I pick myself off the floor and say."Wow, I have enjoyed talking with you but we have to stop talking now." She's like, why? I say, look, that is more than 2x what I pay in Rio. She says, but I'm a cover girl. I'm like, well, I'm going to go walk around a bit and we'll see later. She persists, saying "well, if we go right now you can have me for R$500". I demure, and walk away.

Walk over to talk to a little brunette I'd seen earlier. She seems more relaxed so I go up to her at the bar and start talking in Porto. Much better vibe, friendly, relaxed. Says she's from Rio but has been in SP for 5 years, studying at pharmacy school. Doesn't really speak English. I get by in Porto. She starts to hard sell a bit too, and so I go through the standard drill. Para evitar mal-entendidos, etc. She says R$300. I say, wow, that's more than I pay in Rio. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested, but I'm not sure. She quickly negotiates herself down to R$250 and I'm like, OK,"negocio fechado!" We hang out at the bar a little. She gets her R$25 peach juice.

On the way out, you pay the consumption tab first. Mine is the R$200 entrada plus they tag you for 10% service (R$20) , so R$220 total. Service hah!

Hotel next door is reached through the garage, classy. Room is R$120 for 1 hour. Room itself is actually pretty big with nicely placed mirrors. She's way too distant in the room. Doesn't really like to kiss, wants to do everything her way. I get way more intimacy from Terma girls in Rio, even some prive girls. After swearing she could suck deep, she sort of tip-swabs for a while. It's a crying shame because she is really pretty with a thin, toned, natural body and a fresh kitty. Sex is mediocre at best. She really turns me off with the "goiza para mim" talk. I get the sense this is a 1-pop and done event, despite the "hour." I'm right. She wants to stop after one shot (which she dodges from me dropping on her titties, BTW). That's 40 minutes in. That is complete BULL SHIT. At the T's when you pay for an hour you get an hour and at least 2 pops. Even lower-end T's like 502. This is a weak experience on par with a mediocre fuck I had a Bel Prazer. But that one only cost me R$120 or whatever for the hour. And I got a delicious churro afterwards.

All in all, I'm very disappointed. For those kind of prices. R$220 plus R$120 plus R$250, or R$590 before total R$20 taxi. I expect to be serviced like a king. Can you imagine if I had paid cover girl her R$500? This is crap.

The other night at MC, I (a) got my free entrance and (be) dropped $R370 plus R$12 drinks for an hour with a very sexy 23 whyear old who made out with me like a horny teenager and took it receptively with gusto in all holes. And took 2 (count 'them) 2 shots in the mouth. Not on the mouth, in it. I came 2x and would have kept going if I could. And I thought that was a bit pricey.

I think I'm underestimating Rio.

Back in SP on Thurs / Fri and will have to try other places. Any recommendations for well-behaved girls you can take back to your hotel?

ONE MORE THING: When I was negotiating with Cover Girl, she said "R$600 is the standard price here. You won't find lower." Then she dropped it to R$500. Then brunette said "R$300 is the standard price here." and then she dropped it to R$250. I HATE that shit. It's like being at balcony. Some skank at Barbarella tried to pull this R$600 shit on me and a visiting friend (after I'd told her I FUCKING LIVE HERE) and my friend actually just laughed at her. At least at T's the pricing is square. And at FKKs you know exactly what you are going to get down to the Euro. FUCKERS.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear of your bad experience.

As we all say, to each their own, however, I just don't get it, never have.

Why do guys continue to visit these over-priced boates?

You can find garotas just as nice looking and probably more fun in places like Casarao or Maison on Augusta or My Love across from the Kilt.

You could get an hour in the boate with them for a grand total of 100-150R, and that includes the entry fee of a whopping 10R which includes 2 drinks.

Take 'em for a test drive in the Boate, if ya hit it off, get their phone number and you're off and running.

To think of 500-600R for an hour encounter and possible flop, no thanks.

[QUOTE=Quackup; 1144502]Here is the address to Eu & Elas. Rua Pires de Mota. 414. Aclimacao. Their phone number is (11) 3209-2756.

If you take the metro, get off at Paraiso and from there the taxi should be less than are$10. 00.

Connections addrss is Av. Dr. Eduardo Catching. 1178.

Jd. Analia Franco. Located in the district of Tatuape.

Their phone number is (11) 6674. 4702. If you take the metro, get off at Tatuape, the taxi from there should be less than are$20. 00.

Sorry about your experience at Bomboa's. This used to be one of my favorite clubs. Two years ago when I last went, both girls I did, did a CBJ. After that, I said no more Bomboa's unless someone tells me it's change for the good.

Of the two clubs above, I would go to Connections. The selection was way better and you know the price range should not go over are$300. Are$350. Good luck. [/QUOTE]Excellent! Thanks!

No, I am not saying you could have just kept banging her. Keep in mind though that the quality of the girls service will effect the reputation of the club even though the transaction is private between the girl and you. If the club is serious (which Bomboa at least used to be from what I have read and heard) , they are more concerned about your well being than the nonperforming girl who is not an employee but is allowed to do her work at their club. There is no financial loss for the club if you give her a smaller fee for not performing according to agreement since you pay her directly and the clubs income is from what you spend on consumption, entry, exit fee and the rooms, not with your deal with the girl.

So no I don't think the bouncer would interfere if you paid her less when she does not provide services and time according to agreement, but more importantly she will know you are not accepting her crap and will most likely budge and give you something extra to get the money she initially wanted and avoid trouble with the club.

However if the management at Bomboa has turned sour and can't be considered serious anymore they most likely don't care what goes in the room unless they get some trouble from it. If they do by complaints from you or the girl it is unpredictable who they will support.

GK

Here is a website that has many advertisements for the clubs we go to.

[url]http://revistamagazine.com.br/[/url]

Check out the back section. Most hotels in s / p have this magazine and give it out for free.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1144645]No, I am not saying you could have just kept banging her.[/QUOTE]I probably should have clarified that by "kept going" I meant "kept leaving," not "kept banging her"

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1144645]Keep in mind though that the quality of the girls service will effect the reputation of the club even though the transaction is private between the girl and you. If the club is serious (which Bomboa at least used to be from what I have read and heard) , they are more concerned about your well being than the nonperforming girl who is not an employee but is allowed to do her work at their club. There is no financial loss for the club if you give her a smaller fee for not performing according to agreement since you pay her directly and the clubs income is from what you spend on consumption, entry, exit fee and the rooms, not with your deal with the girl.

So no I don't think the bouncer would interfere if you paid her less when she does not provide services and time according to agreement, but more importantly she will know you are not accepting her crap and will most likely budge and give you something extra to get the money she initially wanted and avoid trouble with the club.

However if the management at Bomboa has turned sour and can't be considered serious anymore they most likely don't care what goes in the room unless they get some trouble from it. If they do by complaints from you or the girl it is unpredictable who they will support.

GK[/QUOTE]That the last part of your message has become reality is what I'm afraid of.

Quackup or Sui Generis,

Do you know or have indications about where Edson has moved on to. I am sure he has or is planning something new. He and his brother have been in the business for more than 20 years and managed to resurrect after the national scandal at WE. I am sure the closeure of W Garden (whatever the reason for the closure) has not forced them out of the business.

I am ready to return to SP but see no real reason to do so now that Bahamas is closed and both WE and W Garden is shut down.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1144707]Quackup or Sui Generis,

Do you know or have indications about where Edson has moved on to. I am sure he has or is planning something new. He and his brother have been in the business for more than 20 years and managed to resurrect after the national scandal at WE. I am sure the closeure of W Garden (whatever the reason for the closure) has not forced them out of the business.

I am ready to return to SP but see no real reason to do so now that Bahamas is closed and both WE and W Garden is shut down.

GK[/QUOTE]GK,

I'll come up with an answer in a couple of weeks. I will arrive in Brazil the last week of April (after Easter) and I'm going to stay in São Paulo a couple of weeks before going to the litoral (probably Ubatuba) until the end of August.

I will try to answer your question the best I can do and also to resolve the enigma of the possible reopening of Bahamas (which was announced in January). Probably by a prankster. Anyway, I'll do my research on the ground.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1144748]before going to the litoral (probably Ubatuba)[/QUOTE]Bring your umbrella. Ubatuba is called in Brasil "Uba-chuva".

Thanks Sui Generis,

Concerning Bahamas I think it can be considered with a fairly big certainty that you were right. No way will Bahamas reopen.

GK

Unfortunately, I was only in S / P for only two nights. I usually check gpuia. Net, so if I hear anything, I will let you know. One thing for sure, everytime I look at the revista magazine adds, there are at least a couple of new clubs opening up. I wouldn't be surprised if he is at one of them.

Q

[QUOTE=Prosal;1144750]Bring your umbrella. Ubatuba is called in Brasil "Uba-chuva".[/QUOTE]Thanks Prosal.

Yes, I know.

But I'm going there to write (I have a sabbatical leave at the university where I teach). I wouldn't be able to do this here at home and neither in Sampa (where there is also too much distraction).

I have contact directly now, so no need to check SG. They are currently not working.

GK

Perusing the Internet I found this article coming from a Brazilian newspaper in São José do Rio Preto (which is a middle size town located in the North-East of the state of São Paulo).

[url]http://www.regiaonoroeste.com/portal/materias.php?id=29854[/url]

Here is my (rough) translation of the article:

[I]A WOMAN SPREAD POISON IN HER VAGINA IN ORDER TO KILL HER HUSBAND DURING CUNILINGUS[/I]

[I]Last week, an unusual occurrence was recorded in Rio Preto's 4th Police District. It concerns an investigation for attempted murder. What is unusual about this story is the nature of the complaint: a man went to a cop and told him that after a fight with his wife she put a toxic product in her vagina and ask him to perform cunilingus on her.

Nimble, the husband smelled the product before tasting the poison and he became suspicious of the intention of the wicked woman. The complaint was recorded by the police officer Walter Colacino Jr, who. Given the unusual version. Ordered an investigation of the details of the affair before taking any action[/I].

From now on, I'll never have sex after a fight with my Brazilian girlfriend.

Quick question, how do the Clinicas work? Is it like the US where you pay the massage and then tip the girl extra like by placing money in envelope or on night table? If so, what is expected tip amount? Or is it like Thailand/Philippines where one price includes full service and girl might ask for small tip at end?

Am thinking of Clinica Allure which is why I am asking. Is it a nice setting and any extras, I. E. Sauna or hot tub or just simple showers?

Also, will be in SP for first time this weekend. Busy Friday and Saturday but can meet anytime Sunday until night for beer, exchange info, be wingman or consider a girl anyone recommends.

69

The price tipically includes the full service the girl provides and massage, typically 2 nuts and a rubdown or so for nearly all of these clinica / massage places. No tip is usually given, but a small token will get you remembered if you are a regular, But if you visit infrequently don't bother, pay at the door for service rendered. Allure is really busy though, so if you have someone in mind you may want to call ahead.

[QUOTE=Sixtynine; 1145135]Quick question, how do the Clinicas work? Is it like the US where you pay the massage and then tip the girl extra like by placing money in envelope or on night table? If so, what is expected tip amount? Or is it like Thailand / Philippines where one price includes full service and girl might ask for small tip at end?

Am thinking of Clinica Allure which is why I am asking. Is it a nice setting and any extras, I. E. Sauna or hot tub or just simple showers?

Also, will be in SP for first time this weekend. Busy Friday and Saturday but can meet anytime Sunday until night for beer, exchange info, be wingman or consider a girl anyone recommends.

69[/QUOTE]

For the record, the CORRECT address for Eu E Ela is

Rua Pires da Mota. 494.

Aclimacao.

SP,

011-3209-2756.

[url]www.eueelas.com.br[/url]

It is NOT really findable in Google. And R. Pires da Mota 414 (address given below) is a PRIMARY SCHOOL down the block which, at 10pm, is COMPLETELY DEAD. So thankfully my buddy called his buddy in NYC who gave us the right address as we were standing there on the sidewalk.

Eu E Ela is in a modern building right at the intersection of Pires da Mota and Av. Aclimacao. It's not got very good signage but it has valet type dudes out in front.

Entrada is R$69 and gets jacked up to R$99 I believe during peak hours. However, TAKE NOTE, peak hours are basically 6pm. 9pm. We got there at 10. 30pm and the place was DEAD. Like 4 cheap Mexican working girls hanging around. Now, the facilities appear pretty nice and modern, but basically all the girls clear out by 10pm according to the server and the counter guy. So I had a R$69 bottle of water (e. G, my entrance fee, which was consumption) and left. I did receive a rarely-seen R$1 bill (not coin) as part of my change so I guess that's something.

At that point, without much hope left, we headed to Scandallo which was the closest place expected to suck the least. Scandallo at night looks like a cross between a fortress and a cruise ship. It's this big solid building the might be a hotel or a sports club, palm trees, lights, annoying valets. Very high airport-security to get in. Wand you down, let you through a door 1 at a time. Have to give I'd and get a card downstairs, then go 1 FLIGHT up in an elevator that they let 4 people on at a time. Another annoying doorman. It's all about access control and creating the illusion of exclusivity. That is, FUCKING ANNOYING.

Upstairs, there is a big cashier counter, a restaurant area, and a trendy big disco area with a bar down one side, a stage, and booths on the other. I would say slightly. Ever so slightly. Hotter girls than Bomboa, in a bigger area with louder noises. Ridiculous drink prices again. Turns out R$100 of your R$150 entrada can go to consumption, as far as I could tell. Then they somehow tag you with another R$50 "Entrada Festa" cost if you go over the R$100. I tried to get an explanation but it was too loud to understand well.

Lots of fake titties on display but still fatter chicks, older chicks, skanks. Nothing to really get excited about. And a TON of douchebag guys and older guys and Asian guys. Not judging, just reporting. I couldn't bring myself to ask a girl about pricing because I could just tell I'd get so angry when she quoted me R$600 or some dumbass thing. Not clear if they have rooms on site either.

Did see some older Asian guy pick a fight with a huge Black bouncer. Which he promptly lost as they dragged him out and started beating the crap out of him. LOL. Drinking makes people stupid.

Left sort of annoyed, more so by the R$40 cab to Eu e Ela and the R$42 cab back to my hotel. Sao Paulo is lame for getting around.

So tomorrow night (Friday) I have to choose between a haul to Connections (which I hear is lame on Fridays until late) or places on Rua Augusta. Suggestions?

-Cartman

Get the metro down to the Rua Nestor Pestana clubs. Try out Mylove and then cross the road and check out Kilt. There are a few clubs all within 100 yards. Last time I was at Kilt you could drag the girl up stairs and do them in the little rooms that just had curtains for doors and sides from memory. You can of course take them off premises as well but they quote R$100 more. I love drinking at the Kilt bar as a the girls do shows literally on top of your drinks. They used to have swings and stuff that they would hang off as well. One of the best bangs I have ever had in Brazil was with a chic that almost sat on my beer! Stunning Morena!

Current prices from gdpguinet

Entrance- R$50.00 (inlcudes a drink or 2 from memory)

Bar Fine- R$50.00 (i drink for her to take her out)

Girl quote- R$250 to R$300

Bar Kilt. rua nestor pestana 266, Sao Paulo 01303010 10 minute from Metro Republica

[url]http://www.kiltshows.com.br[/url]

Kilt opens around 9pm, if you want to kill a couple of hours on the way. The Orion Teatro is just near Republica Metro. R$10 entrance. It is a nice enough Teatro that has live strip shows pretty much constantly during the day up until early evening. When the girls finish they then rotate to the seats asking if you want to take them up the rooms. It is a bit sleazy, but some of the woman are ok, nothing wrong with Sleazy women as long as they are Hot Sleazy Women!

The show in itself if worth seeing if just to watch the goings on of the local audience. The girls do a little strip and then when they arrive at the edge of the stage all the Brazilian guys get up, rush to the front of the stage and grope as much flesh as they can in the 30 seconds that the stripper stays there. She then retreats to the back of the stage and the guys take their seats again until she reappears at the front of the stage after a few minutes. Then they get up, rush to the front and grope away. Pavlov's dog experiment in action.

I always go here when in Sao Paulo as it is cheap and it kills a couple of hours. Never done a chic there but wanted to once. Was chatting to a hot little Morena after her show and was "definitely interested" into taking her to the room. Didn't do it because her bad breath could have killed a horse. At 10 paces. Just couldn't get around that.

[url]http://www.teatroorion.com.br/[/url] Rua Auroa 753

At night, like after 10pm this area gets really seedy real fast. Up near Kilt I find is safe, down here after Midnight, not recommended!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1145332]. So tomorrow night (Friday) I have to choose between a haul to Connections (which I hear is lame on Fridays until late) or places on Rua Augusta. Suggestions?

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Well, myself, I'd finally forget about the over-priced clip joints, and head down to Augusta.

I'd take the metro to Republica stop, save on the big taxi cost.

There's a churrascaria right off the Rebublica station, across the street from Paqrue Republica, next to Habibs.

Nothing fancy, but pretty good food and about 18R. Yep, I said 18R. You don't have to over-pay in SP either.

From there, hang a left out of the restaurant, about a block or so, hang another left on Sao Luis.

A block or 2 up Sao Luis you'll see little outdoor cafes, music playing, people dancing, outdoor stuff (on Fri and Sat).

Nice to girl watch / meet (non-pro) and have a cerveja maybe.

Ok. After 9pm, and better after 10-1030pm, continue up Sao Luis to the traffic light and yep, you'll run into Augusta.

Hang a right and you're on your way to some way less expensive clubs but with girls just as pretty and sometimes better than the over-priced tourist traps.

As Bubba posted earlier, you'll find on Rua Nestor Pestana (which is a few blocks up Augusta on your right) , a couple good boates.

My Love is one of 'them. It is hit and miss, however, costs ZERO to enter, and they'll let ya hang out for 10 minutes or so before buying anything. Check out the garotas. Can find some cuties there.

Ask for the waiter, Hugo. Great guy!

Again as Bubba posted, you can go across the street to the Kilt, see his post for particulars there.

Now, if you continue up Augusta a bit, you'll start running into boates.
I like 2 of them.

Maison is one. The doorman Garcia is a good guy, speaks english, espanol and portuguese.
7 or 10R to get into, your choice, for 1 or 2 drinks.
Also, some cuties can be found here at times. About 100R for 1 hour in-house, incl room or 50R to the club to take them out and you negotiate, easily 150-200R for all night.

Casaro is the other. Enter between 11 and midnite, can get crowded after that. 10R entrance, includes 2 drinks.
There are some really hot garotas here at times. I met one in particular recently, from Florianopolis, beautiful, natural, better than any high priced garota I've ever seen.
In house fun for between 120R to 180R including room, depending on negotiating skill.
Great place to make contacts for future encounters.
No rip offs by the club. Good people.

That's my recommendation. Nothing fancy, but good fun and one can easily find some nice girls ... or you can throw away money at higher priced clubs with garotas que tem bucetas de ouro :)

Cartman,

I agree with Bubba Boy, from your posts Kilt seems like your kind of place.

GK

Bubba Boy,

Thanks for exercising my humor muscle. I haven't lauged this hard in a long time. Teatro Orion is a must visit next time when in SP to watch that spectacle. I will remember to bring a nose clip.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1145465]Bubba Boy,

Thanks for exercising my humor muscle. I haven't lauged this hard in a long time. Teatro Orion is a must visit next time when in SP to watch that spectacle. I will remember to bring a nose clip.

GK[/QUOTE]We're all waiting for some of your enjoyable reports, GK.

Oh! You'll take the high-end and
I'll take the low-end
And I'll be in Rua dos Andrades 69 afore ye.
But me and my GP.
Will never meet again.
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of São Paulo. :D

T501 in Centro Rio has a similar setup when the girls dance on their tiny stages. Some girls let the guys grope away and the guys just go nuts. They virtually stick their heads in the ass crack of the chic and have a good look around. The guys do it with such concentration it is just a hilarious. I have spoken to some of the girls about it, suprisingly some girls actually dig getting groped so go figure! Only in Brazil!

Gk, I went to Zuka the other night. Was OK, not unforgetable, had better meals at many other so called lesser places.

Slightly off topic but none the less about Brazil. Sometimes or a lot of the time, even the smallest thing in Brazil is just made to be so much more difficult than it needs to be. I just came from the Pharmacy to buy some Ibuprofeno. The conversation went like the following and believe me this is the shortened version:

Counter guy: "what concentration of Ibuprofeno do you want".

Me: "whatever you have, it doesn't make much difference to me".

Counter guy: "well 200mg is for." and he goes on and on,"then 300mg is for." he goes on and on,"then of course 400mg is for."

Me: ""I guess I will have 300mg"

Counter guy: "sorry, we only have 400mg, will that do?"

I just look at him wanting to say are you fu*ing kidding me!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1145533]Slightly off topic but none the less about Brazil. Sometimes or a lot of the time, even the smallest thing in Brazil is just made to be so much more difficult than it needs to be. I just came from the Pharmacy to buy some Ibuprofeno. The conversation went like the following and believe me this is the shortened version:

Counter guy: "what concentration of Ibuprofeno do you want".

Me: "whatever you have, it doesn't make much difference to me".

Counter guy: "well 200mg is for." and he goes on and on,"then 300mg is for." he goes on and on,"then of course 400mg is for."

Me: ""I guess I will have 300mg"

Counter guy: "sorry, we only have 400mg, will that do?"

I just look at him wanting to say are you fu*ing kidding me! [/QUOTE]This too F*cking funny.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1145313]The price tipically includes the full service the girl provides and massage, typically 2 nuts and a rubdown or so for nearly all of these clinica / massage places. No tip is usually given, but a small token will get you remembered if you are a regular, But if you visit infrequently don't bother, pay at the door for service rendered. Allure is really busy though, so if you have someone in mind you may want to call ahead.[/QUOTE]I like the sound of that, included! I had experiences in other countries where "tudo" meant we negotiate again in the room which only leads to more misunderstandings. Nothing reduces an erection faster than a girl denying an additional service or wanting more $ before getting started.

So for my last night in SP, I read up on options and looked over the suggestions here and in PM (thanks guys!).

My one-hour nap turned into a 2hr nap. I got up around 8. 45pm, showered, threw on jeans and a polo shirt, and headed out from the Radisson (Itam Bibi). R$300 per night? I think US$190, nice place, free full breakfast. To Rua Augusta. Cab took about 20 mins. 30 mins probably, another R$30+ down the tubes. Got dropped off near Casario / Casaro (findable on Google). Definitely seedier on this side of Av. Paulista. The farther down the hill, the seedier. Grabbed a salgado and headed to Casaro. Got there around 10. 30. Woman says "Come back at 11pm, we open then." I ask when they close and she says 7am. Yowza! I knew SP was a "late" down but that's hardcore!

Walked down the hill towards Kilt. Long walk. Tried to find Maison on the way but didn't remember the street number. Definitely seedier down around Kilt. The hotel I stayed at in 2005. Grand Hotel Ca D'Oro. Is like right down there somewhere but I didn't see it (maybe it's gone?). The restaurant Planeta that I ate at with a Brazilian porn star on that trip is still there. I think that was the 20 mins we left the room LOL.

Anyway, rock up towards Kilt and see My Love across the street. Figure, hey why not. Turns out entrada is R$10-15 or something or so at least on Friday but it counts to a drink. Grab a water and sit. Decent lighting inside, reasonably nice place. They have a row of like 6 little booth / cabines (with curtains) in the back that apparently you can rent (R$75?) and bang in LOL. Pretty dead inside at 10. 30 or so. 5 girls. Brushed off one and just sort of hung out. Around 11pm a bigger blond chick with a HUGE Asian dragon tattooed on her back comes to talk to me. I'm like, OK, I'll chat. About 10 mins in, she asks for a drink Turns out she wants a Smirnoff Ice which runs R$35. Ack. I'm like, fine. We talk for another 20 mins and she's pretty cool and reasonably OK looking. Naty (natch-ee) is her name. We start negotiating and she gives me the run down. Can suck deep, hates anal, wants R$250 for an hour. I'm like, what about all night. 2 times at night and once in the AM. She's like R$500. I'm like, haha no. So she drops it to R$400. I push her on her BJ skills and she says "You don't want me to suck you without a condom, right?" I'm like. Huh? Of course I do. Lecture her about how every girl I know in Rio and the 2 I had last 2 nights in SP all do this. She relents. I tell her I have to go check out Kilt but might come back. Total cost is R$50 between my entrance, her drink and a $5 commission (to her) they tack on to her drink.

Kilt is across the street. Get there around 11. 30pm. R$50 entrada includes 1 drink. Very busy. TONS of Asian guys (Japanese?). Like 80% of the dudes. Girls are a mixed bag. There are 1-2 cuties (8s) but rest seem just the same as My Love and frankly Rio T's these days. End up talking to 2 girls who are trying to convince me to take both of them back to my hotel. Pricing is quoted again around the R$300 / hr with higher overnights. While this is going on, I turn around and there is a live sex show going on the Kilt stage. Some white fatty chick is getting ploughed by a hairless muscle guy in work boots. Urg. Didn't love seeing that. Hang out for about 30 mins total waiting for better talent, but it doesn't appear.

Head back across to My Love. Get nailed for another entrada. Also have to wait for the Viagra to kick in, so find Naty, tell her to get dressed, and we hang out there for 20-30 mins. She has another Smirnoff Ice. There are probably 20 girls here now and some are pretty cute. Cost to head out is R$70 made up of R$50 for her exit fee, her drink and my entrada. Not quite sure how that all added up but it did.

Long fucking cab ride back to the hotel, length of R. Augusta. Packed with seedier looking folks now at 12-12. 30 and horrible slow traffic. Back at the hotel, she has a cigarette on the deck, asks for the minibar (I demur) , showers up and the fun begins. She was pretty pretty good. Best part was during my second O that night, she's blowing me and she says "Cum in my mouth." I'm like, wait weren't you the chick who wanted to blow me with a condom LMAO. But you don't have to ask me twice. Woke her up at 8am by poking her in the back and she got to business again like a good sport. Handed her R$400 after she got dressed,"like we agreed." She says, o, I need cab money too. I'm like, hey you didn't say anything about that. She pouts. I agree SP sucks for getting around and give her R$20. Pissed me off though. I never give cab fare to Rio chicks except Carlas models or if it's agreed up front. Weak.

Oh yeah. On the way out of My Love, the bouncer outside asks me for a tip. I'm like "What for? For opening the door?" He says something."I'm like, for talking to me? I talk to people all day and nobody gives me a tip!" Fucker. I didn't even take a cab from out front, we walked around the corner. He can kiss my fat white ass.

Total cost of My Love: R$50 + R$70 +$400 + R$20, plus the 2 cab rides (R$30 each way). I think that's R$540 plus R$60, or R$600. Last night at MC, back in Rio, I spent R$470 I think for 1 hour in a cabine and some drinks. It was a night without my free entrada, though. And I hung out in the boate for like 2.5 hours just chilling and watching chicks in bikinis shake their booties. And honestly, I enjoyed the MC experience better. I think Cartman likes to chillax in a robe in a terma, hassle free. Plus the investment is time to get the T chicks (T-girls has wrong connotations lols) to come over to my apt. For R$200.

-Cartman

Thanks for some nice reports Cartman. You confirm the impression I have received from others recently. The SP club scene sucks at the moment.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1146178]Thanks for some nice reports Cartman. You confirm the impression I have received from others recently. The SP club scene sucks at the moment.

GK[/QUOTE]I agree esp with the current exchange rate. With the influx of business into Brasil and SP especially the good looking garotas don't care about service they will get another guy the next day and the next. And the club can't do anything about it. Best to stick with clinicas or reviewed girls on gpguia who depend on repeat customers.

I recently discovered how big London scene is which is cheaper than Brazil now believe it or not. No boites as it is not legal but plenty of other stuff with Brazilian girls. They are all here to go to school to learn english and make money and so they depend on repeats. No need to speak porto with them as they can speak english. For 200GBP=500R you can find a super hot girl for that will do anal and cim swallow and multiple pops which I never found once in all my years mongering in Brazil. So now I much prefer coming to London to find a garota than in Brazil LOL.

Hobbying,

It doesn't sound like you had much luck in Brazil. What you have found in London is available all over the country.

The best country in Europe to find great Brasileiras would be Spain.

London sucks more than SP!

GK

I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1146560]I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil. [/QUOTE]FKKs. Particularly Samya (cologne) , Golden Time (duss) , Ying / Yang (duss / netherlands) , and Living Room (duss).

Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1146644]Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK[/QUOTE]I believe what most of us are trying to imply, without being able to accurately express our feelings is that:

' Brazil no longer gets you the most bang for your buck'

Hi all,

I'll be in Sao paolo, in the short term and would like a good hotel, where I could receive a visitor and not have to go down to reception to get her into the elevator. Any names?

Cheers

Tiradentes,

"Best bang for the buck"? I really don't like that expression because it implies that it is only the bang itself which is of value and that the woman providing this service is of no value at all. In that case there are women who will bang you for a bowl of rice in the most desperate corners of the world and Brazil has never been the best bang for the buck.

I like to beleive that some kind of attraction to the woman, either physical or psycological, needs to be present for a bang to be of any value at all and that value is a measure of the attraction + her sexual skills. At least this is the case for me and if it is not for you guys I don't understand how your mind works.

Since what attracts us to a woman is highly individual, the real "best bang for the buck" will also be highly individual. So the expression "best bang for the buck" used in a general term gives no meaning to me. To me Brazil will always be paradise and where I find the best experiences. That is because I love the looks, the culture, the passion, the temperament and sexuality og the Brazilian women. They are without pier. To me. If the chance to experiance that will cost me a little more. So be it.

What worries me is that many of the Brazilian gems have started to travel to Europe during the Brazilian offseason and have that wonderful attitude destroyed by being part of the more hardcore European scene. Secondly it seems that the officials in SP have decided that in this specific city they have to remove the market.

GK

[QUOTE=Hobbying;1146295]you can find a super hot girl for that will do anal and cim swallow and multiple pops which I never found once in all my years mongering in Brazil. So now I much prefer coming to London to find a garota than in Brazil LOL.[/QUOTE]Dude! Most guys who go to Brazil get these things in the first week they are there!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1146165]So for my last night in SP, I read up on options and looked over the suggestions here and in PM (thanks guys!).

Walked down the hill towards Kilt. Long walk. Tried to find Maison on the way but didn't remember the street number. Definitely seedier down around Kilt. The hotel I stayed at in 2005. Grand Hotel Ca D'Oro. Is like right down there somewhere but I didn't see it (maybe it's gone?). The restaurant Planeta that I ate at with a Brazilian porn star on that trip is still there. I think that was the 20 mins we left the room LOL.

Anyway, rock up towards Kilt and see My Love across the street. Figure, hey why not. Turns out entrada is R$10-15 or something or so at least on Friday but it counts to a drink. Grab a water and sit. Decent lighting inside, reasonably nice place. They have a row of like 6 little booth / cabines (with curtains) in the back that apparently you can rent (R$75?) and bang in LOL. Pretty dead inside at 10. 30 or so. 5 girls. Brushed off one and just sort of hung out. Around 11pm a bigger blond chick with a HUGE Asian dragon tattooed on her back comes to talk to me. I'm like, OK, I'll chat. About 10 mins in, she asks for a drink Turns out she wants a Smirnoff Ice which runs R$35. Ack. I'm like, fine. We talk for another 20 mins and she's pretty cool and reasonably OK looking. Naty (natch-ee) is her name. We start negotiating and she gives me the run down. Can suck deep, hates anal, wants R$250 for an hour. I'm like, what about all night. 2 times at night and once in the AM. She's like R$500. I'm like, haha no. So she drops it to R$400. I push her on her BJ skills and she says "You don't want me to suck you without a condom, right?" I'm like. Huh? Of course I do. Lecture her about how every girl I know in Rio and the 2 I had last 2 nights in SP all do this. She relents. I tell her I have to go check out Kilt but might come back. Total cost is R$50 between my entrance, her drink and a $5 commission (to her) they tack on to her drink.

Head back across to My Love. Get nailed for another entrada. Also have to wait for the Viagra to kick in, so find Naty, tell her to get dressed, and we hang out there for 20-30 mins. She has another Smirnoff Ice. There are probably 20 girls here now and some are pretty cute. Cost to head out is R$70 made up of R$50 for her exit fee, her drink and my entrada. Not quite sure how that all added up but it did.

Long fucking cab ride back to the hotel, length of R. Augusta. Packed with seedier looking folks now at 12-12. 30 and horrible slow traffic. Back at the hotel, she has a cigarette on the deck, asks for the minibar (I demur) , showers up and the fun begins. She was pretty pretty good. Best part was during my second O that night, she's blowing me and she says "Cum in my mouth." I'm like, wait weren't you the chick who wanted to blow me with a condom LMAO. But you don't have to ask me twice. Woke her up at 8am by poking her in the back and she got to business again like a good sport. Handed her R$400 after she got dressed,"like we agreed." She says, o, I need cab money too. I'm like, hey you didn't say anything about that. She pouts. I agree SP sucks for getting around and give her R$20. Pissed me off though. I never give cab fare to Rio chicks except Carlas models or if it's agreed up front. Weak.

Total cost of My Love: R$50 + R$70 +$400 + R$20, plus the 2 cab rides (R$30 each way). I think that's R$540 plus R$60, or R$600. Last night at MC, back in Rio, I spent R$470 I think for 1 hour in a cabine and some drinks. It was a night without my free entrada, though. And I hung out in the boate for like 2. 5 hours just chilling and watching chicks in bikinis shake their booties. And honestly, I enjoyed the MC experience better. I think Cartman likes to chillax in a robe in a terma, hassle free. Plus the investment is time to get the T chicks (T-girls has wrong connotations lols) to come over to my apt. For R$200.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Enjoyed your report.

Interesting that you paid twice in one night an entrada at My Love. I have never paid an entrada at My Love, and I have been there many times.

Also, I have never paid more than 200R for an all-nighter with a garota from My Love or any of the othe boates for that matter.

Too bad you didn't get a second look at Casarao after say 1130PM.

I will be back in Sao Paulo in a few weeks and was wondering if anyone here had visited Scandallo Lounge? I looked at their web-site: seems a bit out of the way, but it looked interesting based on the site. Also, while Bon Vivant had closed last November, a few friends I knew from that club told me it would be reopening in early 2011. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

Thanks all. Appreciate any feedback and advice!

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1146644]Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK[/QUOTE]Well, the high end places in Europe (e.g. FKKs, Madrid's Flowers Park) are cheaper than São Paulo's high end places (Cafe Photo, Bomboa.) Beyond that, São Paulo has the cost advantage.

What about the service advantage? Elements of GFE like BBBJ and DFK are standard in the FKKs,"ask and ye shall receive" in Spain's clubs (i.e. I've never been refused), and they seem to require tough negotiations in São Paulo at least where I've been.

Of course, São Paulo has the advantage in selection of Brasileiras, at least until word gets out among them about how much they can make in Europe. :D

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder;1147225]Of course, SP has the advantage in selection of Brasileiras, at least until word gets out among them about how much they can make in Europe. :D[/QUOTE]Well, the question was if there are better options in Europe than in SP if you are looking for a Brazilian girl. In any Brazilian city you will bascily find only Brazilian garotas working in the clubs and by that there are so many more options than in whatever European city you might choose that there is no competition.

Concerning your comment about GFE inside FKK, I would like to add my opinion that to go to an institution and bring a woman to a room for 1 hour to bang her never will be a GFE whatever services she might provide. A GFE in my book requires something which seem more naturally like a time spent with a gf.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147235]Well, the question was if there are better options in Europe than in SP if you are looking for a Brazilian girl. In any Brazilian city you will bascily find only Brazilian garotas working in the clubs and by that there are so many more options than in whatever European city you might choose that there is no competition.[/QUOTE]

Easy, GK. I was agreeing with you there. :) I'm just trying to provide some objectivity to the discussion. "Better" is a vague term. "Better selection," "better service levels," "better price" are all more specific and lend themselves more easily to discussion & comparison.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147235]Concerning your comment about GFE inside FKK, I would like to add my opinion that to go to an institution and bring a woman to a room for 1 hour to bang her never will be a GFE whatever services she might provide. A GFE in my book requires something which seem more naturally like a time spent with a gf.

GK[/QUOTE]

Here I must respectfully disagree, though. Since, beyond a few acronyms, the definition of GFE varies highly from monger to monger (even between you and me apparently) I'm not sure it's productive to publicly continue discussion on this topic.

Does anyone here know if the Brazilian porn star Julia Paes is available anymore?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3iBHmUf7c&feature=related[/url]

BTW, she was my number 2 choice from this night at WE back in 2007. The morena with a green top an the angelic face:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3008-2007-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=593190&viewfull=1#post593190[/url]

After this I have also arranged a session with her from one of the high end madames, but on that occation some language problems lead to her leaving my hotel room just after she had arrived because she misunderstood me somehow.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147270]Does anyone here know if the Brazilian porn star Julia Paes is available anymore? ...[/QUOTE]It's amusing with the resemblance between the porno star Júlia Paes and the actress Juliana Paes.

Her real name is Michelle Alves. She probbably took the artist name Julia Paes because of her resemblance to Juliana.

The second time I met her was very strange. I had set up an appoinment for her to arrive at my hotel around 14:00. It was arranged through a middleman, so I could not call her. When the time passed 18:30, I gave up on her and went down to the hotel restaurant for dinner. When the food arrived at my table, the receptionist showed Julia to my table. Julia asked for the menu and ordered without asking me after introductions. I managed to suppress my anger for her lateness and we had a nice time during dinner. After the meal we took the elevator back to my room. Inside the room I asked her if she wanted something to drink. She wanted some of the whisky and red bull I had. I asked her if she remembered that we had talked before at WE and she answered that she didn't and that she had been to WE only once on a special night where Washington had invited several models and actresses to fill the house with "famosas". I was curious why she was so late, so I asked her and also asked her if I could have her phone number. She didn't understand this. I then asked her which high end madame my midleman had arranged her from. She did not understand this question either. Then she asked me something I understood as a permission to smoke. I answered yes. Then she grabbed her bag and her jacket and left the room. At first I thought she wanted to go outside to smoke, but she didn't return. I went down to the reception and the receptionist told me she had just walked out, jumped into a taxi and taken off. In my room her whisky and red bull was still untouched.

I never figured out what happened on that occation.

GK

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1146560]I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil. [/QUOTE]Bubba, I just cancelled a trip to Rio for may. I saw the Real is now 1. 5:1! Yikes!

I've been a Brazil holdout while my buddies fled to Colombia, but I had become fluent in portugese, and love the culture, and even have a couple friends there.

But, there's no more Help, Balcony is no replacement, and other than the Termas, I didn't find I had much access to the girls last fall.

I'm in SanFrancisco, and with Toronto within 4 hrs, I can no longer justify the trip to Brazil.

There are countless agencies and freelancers in Toronto, it is now LEGAL, easy to hook up awesome bud, and yoga studios and pools are all around.

I suspect after all the World Cup / Olympics stuff is over, and markets have had a chance to "correct" it may, once again, be a practical trip.

And I don't HAVE to go business class to Canada.

Maybe London / Berlin for the Fall. Or maybe Barcelona.

Just a little. Reviewed the last few weeks of reports and made some additions in advance of my arrival.

The prices are just comical. It's hard to believe that this is the same town where, in 2004, on my first day in town, I had a great churascaria lunch for around $3. 50 including a beer, and took 2 girls from Cocktails and 1 from the big neon "LOVE" place on Augusta. Total price for 2 events and 3 girls was under $100.

Though places like Clinica Kin, once $26 now $95 (Up 60R from before plus exchange rate) , are still worth visiting.

Here is the link. Remember, you can edit it and add stuff you know about!

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=208228692507675671514.000451c408cf19c176e11&ll=-23.538593[/url]-46. 638765&spn=0. 008557, 0.021136&z=16.

I will have all of my maps from around the world on a single web page shortly.

FT

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1147161]Enjoyed your report.

Interesting that you paid twice in one night an entrada at My Love. I have never paid an entrada at My Love, and I have been there many times.

Also, I have never paid more than 200R for an all-nighter with a garota from My Love or any of the othe boates for that matter.

Too bad you didn't get a second look at Casarao after say 1130PM. [/QUOTE]I'm open to some details on how you manage that Ricker. Definitely want to learn. Do they start off quoting you at R$500 or do they start lower? She started at R$250 for an hour, then proposed R$500 for TLN and dropped it to R$400. I didn't bother to negotiate further.

Any guidance or tips on what time you are investing and what to do to get those prices would be helpful. Thanks!

Re: entrada. They told me that's what it was when I entered. Did I get snookered? Was a Friday night.

Re: Casarao. Yeh. 11. 30 is starting to get late for me during the work week and when I have a plane to catch on Sat at noon. Just a reality of my life and getting older.

[QUOTE=Beach Star;1147144]Dude! Most guys who go to Brazil get these things in the first week they are there![/QUOTE]I've seen at least 50 garotas and non of them swallows. Anal and cim is norms there but not swallow is not in my experiences there.

[QUOTE=Tommy America; 1147210]I will be back in Sao Paulo in a few weeks and was wondering if anyone here had visited Scandallo Lounge? I looked at their web-site: seems a bit out of the way, but it looked interesting based on the site. Also, while Bon Vivant had closed last November, a few friends I knew from that club told me it would be reopening in early 2011. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

Thanks all. Appreciate any feedback and advice![/QUOTE]I've been there a few times and its hit and miss if you want to get a solid 9 GFE. Most of the hot ones wouldn't do bbj. Pricing is 150R to enter includes drinks and food which is really good. 200R to take out or 100R for room there. Girls are 250-300 but depends on the time of day. 25R by taxi from Paulista.

Hello, Tommy America,

Scandallo Lounge is the same location as Cafe Millenium used to be. I have been there but it was almost one and a half year ago. Very nice place but I can't comment on the current garota situation.

Bon Vivant now apparently is a gay club.

GK

Yes, it is not common but it is provided. Many girls actually enjoy it.

As very often occurs, it may depend also on level of chemistry.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;1148280]I've seen at least 50 garotas and non of them swallows. Anal and cim is norms there but not swallow is not in my experiences there.[/QUOTE]

Excellent job.

Thanks for time spent in updating.

I will try to contribute too.

[QUOTE=Full Throttle; 1147963]Just a little. Reviewed the last few weeks of reports and made some additions in advance of my arrival.

The prices are just comical. It's hard to believe that this is the same town where, in 2004, on my first day in town, I had a great churascaria lunch for around $3. 50 including a beer, and took 2 girls from Cocktails and 1 from the big neon "LOVE" place on Augusta. Total price for 2 events and 3 girls was under $100.

Though places like Clinica Kin, once $26 now $95 (Up 60R from before plus exchange rate) , are still worth visiting.

Here is the link. Remember, you can edit it and add stuff you know about!

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=208228692507675671514.000451c408cf19c176e11&ll=-23.538593[/url]

-46. 638765&spn=0. 008557, 0.021136&z=16.

I will have all of my maps from around the world on a single web page shortly.

FT[/QUOTE]

Guys,

Any advices for sao paulo, I am here for 24 hour only and don't know where to go and get some hot chicks, please advice for good and affordable prices, either via website or clubs I stay in Gran corona hotel,

Where to go clubing in safe area?

We are 2 guys so please need urgent help.

[QUOTE=Midorio; 1149086]Guys,

Any advices for sao paulo, I am here for 24 hour only and don't know where to go and get some hot chicks, please advice for good and affordable prices, either via website or clubs I stay in Gran corona hotel,

Where to go clubing in safe area?

We are 2 guys so please need urgent help. [/QUOTE]RTTF? There's an idea Mr. 1 Post.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1148057]I'm open to some details on how you manage that Ricker. Definitely want to learn. Do they start off quoting you at R$500 or do they start lower? She started at R$250 for an hour, then proposed R$500 for TLN and dropped it to R$400. I didn't bother to negotiate further.

Any guidance or tips on what time you are investing and what to do to get those prices would be helpful. Thanks!

Re: entrada. They told me that's what it was when I entered. Did I get snookered? Was a Friday night.

Re: Casarao. Yeh. 11. 30 is starting to get late for me during the work week and when I have a plane to catch on Sat at noon. Just a reality of my life and getting older. [/QUOTE]I'll get another report out soon. I've been running around SP for the past few days.

I did stop by My Love, once again they said no entry fee, it was Friday night.

Just by chance and good luck, I met a beautiful moreninha NP that works making 'sucos' (juice) on Augusta, she's been keepin me busy these days.

Hey,

Am I the only one to have problems with the a very well known national forum (the GP G. A)?

Actually I'm unable to have access to the forum. They said it's a maintenance job. It's too bad....

I have a spare tire in my trunk: I still have access to another tupiniquim forum.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1149474]Hey,

Am I the only one to have problems with the a very well known national forum (the GP G. A)?

Actually I'm unable to have access to the forum. They said it's a maintenance job. It's too bad.

I have a spare tire in my trunk: I still have access to another tupiniquim forum. [/QUOTE]Same problem but it says " FORBIDDEN".

Which other forum are you talking about?

BB5

[QUOTE=Bobo5; 1149618]Same problem but it says " FORBIDDEN".

Which other forum are you talking about?

BB5[/QUOTE]Bobo5,

I don't know if I have the right to name another forum on this site.

If it's forbidden then the moderation will erase it.

The other forum is: Fórum Sexo Dicas.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1149474]Hey,

Am I the only one to have problems with the a very well known national forum (the GP G. A)?

Actually I'm unable to have access to the forum. They said it's a maintenance job. It's too bad.

I have a spare tire in my trunk: I still have access to another tupiniquim forum. [/QUOTE]It is back up and running now.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;1149872]It is back up and running now.[/QUOTE]I know before leaving my country, it was working (Tuesday evening).

I'm in Sampa since Wednesday. I didn't go out because I was waiting for my luggages. They were stucked in Miami.

The action begins tonight three or four friends from the GP Guia will join me and we will go somewhere to celebrate with garotas.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1150269]I know before leaving my country, it was working (Tuesday evening).

I'm in Sampa since Wednesday. I didn't go out because I was waiting for my luggages. They were stucked in Miami.

The action begins tonight three or four friends from the GP Guia will join me and we will go somewhere to celebrate with garotas. [/QUOTE]Well have some fun sui generis!

Hola, soy Raquel Fagundes, chica de compañía en Sao Paulo, Brasil. Mi andúmero de teléfono es (11) 8310-9985. Soy rubia, hermosa why muy amigable. Soy un estudiante, muy inteligente why caliente en la cama.

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Olá, sou a Raquel Fagundes, escort girl, them São Paulo Brazil. Meu telefone é (11) 8310-9985. Sou loira, linda e muito simpática. Sou estudante, muito inteligente e quente na cama.

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Hi guys,

I arrived in town in early April on Sunday morning hoping to have some fun before starting the busy work week. Many forum members posted it here that Sunday is pretty dead in SP. Boy, they are right. This place is worse than dead. I mean really dead. I stayed in Itaim Bibi area and tried calling every English speaking garota mentioned in a post by SG on 9/18/10. Since, I was my first trip with no Portuguese, I didn't want to venture out on my own. Finally, I gave up and called.

[url]http://www.escortgirlbrazil.com/acompanhantes-loiras.htm[/url]

And asked for Laisa to show up at my hotel. Lady on the phone said that she would find out availability and confirm in 5 mins. I get a call and everything was confirmed. 2 hrs later, a hot looking blond girl (7-8) show up at my hotel but she is no where close to the picture posted on the website. Since I was so horny and she looked hot, I decided to go forward with the deal. She asked for R$300 for an hour. It was pretty amazing that she didn't speak any English and I didn't speak any Portuguese but we were able to communicate somehow. First round was amazing then we cuddled and talked using a translator app on my BB. After a little rest, I was ready to go again. She simply asked. Sex. I said yes. We tried different positions and again great job with the session. We cuddled again and I was ready for bed to get ready for Monday so she left.

Wednesday night, I went to café photo. Talent was great. Walked around and checked out the talent. After couple of drinks, I talked to a very pretty girl (8-9) name Mariana from southern part of the country. She spoke English very well. Her asking price was R$600. I asked her. How long would she stay. Her answer was as long as I wanted. I negotiated the price down to R$500. We took off to my hotel after finishing our drinks. Things just got better as our clothes came off. She had an amazing body and tan. We had amazing round one. We relaxed a bit then she started to get ready to leave. I am like. WTF. What about round two. Her answer was she has to go. I really got ticked off and wanted her out of there. Overall, it was a great trip to SP and looking forward to my next trip.

My firsts days here were kind of rough. Fortunately everything is better right now.

1) First of all, I had problems with my luggages. When I arrived at Guarulhos, after clearing the customs, I went to to luggage reception zone and I waited in vain in front of the luggage caroussel; mine never showed up! I went directly to the bagage claims department but apparently I was not the only one with that problem because I was at the end of the line. When it was my turn I learned that my luggages were left behind at Miami and that I could have them the day after. What a drag! My first day in São Paulo and I will have to spend the day with the same clothes. Even if it's fall right here, there was a bright sun and the temperature was hovering around 27 celsius. I had a black merino wool sweater and a cashmer and silk Ermenegildo Zegna navy blue blazer on me. Not the perfect clothes for a hot day!

I took a Guarucops in order to reach my coveted abode and I was feeling a lot merrier. When we arrived near the Dutra Expressway the taxi driver told me that it was block. Sunday Indy 300 will be held in São Paulo and they were doings some preparation on the road and it was the cause of the delay. It is São Paulo. A nightmare when it comes to circulation. Yesterday, while I was dining out with one of my friend, he told me that on Easter the time to go to Santos was 8 hours (a 45 minutes ride habitually).

In order to gain time (and to stay away from the exhaust fumes emanating from the cars and trucks) he proposed me to take another path that was going thru Zona Norte. As I'm not really familiar with that zone I was pleased to discover this area of the city. Imust tell you here that with Guarucop it's a fixed price (depending on which part of the town you are going) , in other words it doesn't depend on the time you spend oin the taxi or on the mileage. My taxi driver. A Portuguese immigrant living in Brazil for the last 50 years. Showed me the main attractions of Zona Norte. It was his barrio and he told me that Vila-Maria (where he lives) and Vila-Guilherme are amongst the most populated bairros of São Paulo (and with a lot of Portuguese immigrants). As it was on our way, he showed me the Tucuruvi metro station and the other ones we passed by such as Parada Inglesa, Jardim São Paulo, Santana, Carandiru, etc.

In carandiru he showed me the vacant land where was located the legendary Carandiru detention center. The jail was torn down in 2002. Nearby he showed me feminine detention center which is still active.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlTPEmjyyvI[/url]

As we crossed the Tietê river I was on familiar ground while we were approaching Tiradentes and Luz. He took Avenida 23 de Maio and there was also another traffic jam. An accident just occured because we had the set the road free for an ambulance and the cops: a motoboy was hit by a car. The poor motoboy was on the road and I saw blood everywhere around him. I don't know if he was dead. Not the best way to start a long stay in Brazil. Luggage delay, the face of death, etc.

2) Before leaving for Brazil I had a diffuse pain in my intestines. I went directly to my doctor's office and he said to me that it was probably the beginning of a diverticulitis. He gave me some medication. The problem with that medication is that I cannot take alcool. Is it the best best to have fun in the paradise of cachaça? Nope.

3) I had to wait my luggages before visiting a putaria in São Paulo. Yesterday, Friday night, I met a colleague from a well known national forum. He asked me a favour (to buy for him a pair of Italian cycle tires. Vittoria Corsa Evo CX. Because they are too expensive in Brazil. I had them in Montreal for the half price he would have paid here). I was invited to a restaurant because he wanted to thank me. Two others posters were supposed to come but they had to change their plans. We spent a while in the restauran talking of the scene in São Paulo and of the other posters we knew. I was very sad when he said to me that he heard that a legendary figure of the GP Guia was dead. I was affected because he was a close friend of mine. I knew he was ill.

As my friend lives outside São Paulo (in Ibiúna) he was not in the mood to visit a putaria. It was kind of late (around 21h00) but he offerd to drop me at the machadão (that's the way we designate the Privê Redway here) if I wish. I was very pleased to go there and I was expecting to meet other people I know.

When I arrived I was greetd by the manager Vania. As usual she's a darling. She was sitting in the front waiting room and was in a conversation with Roman Barak, another legendary figure. We spoke for a while and he said that he was looking for me because I knew I was coming to Brazil. He gave me fresh news from the other legendary figure with other friend was talking about and fortunately he' snot dead. (I was relieved).

As it was kind of late (the Redway closes at 22h00) there were only 5 garotas avalaible.

1) Flavia : a 5'4' mulata clara with a sublime body.

2) Angela: a 5'6' mulata clara with a stunning body. I already knew her as I went out with that garota in 2009. She was even more beautiful yesterday than two years ago. (Another poster from this site wrote extensively about her because he kind of « felt » in love with her. Me I, m more pragmatic: puta é puta!).

3) Bebe / Rafaela: a red hair garota with several tatooes and a slutty face.

4) A tall morena with shoulder lenght black hair and aperfect body. She's the next on my list. Unfortunately I don't remember her name.

5) An old garota (a coroa as we say right here) with blonde hair, Not ugly, not beautiful. She was looking very sleazy however.

I picked up Flavia. As we where waiting for a room (that's the main problem with that putaria. We always have to wait for a room. There are only four rooms available in that joint) whe chatted on the couch. A cute garota, maybe in her mid 20. She said that she's the mother of a 6 years old girl. Her teeth were clean but there were braces on the inferior teeths. She was very affectionate on the coach and her conversation was entertaining.

Finally a room was available. She put clean sheets while I was in the shower (in the room). For those who knows the redway it's the first room, on the first floor, besides the stairs. It, s a new room, because it was not there in 2009.

Whe she undressed in front of me I realized how beautiful she was. She has a corpo violão (guitar shaped body) ; beautiful big boobs (faked) , small waist and large hips with a beautiful bunda.

Example of a corpo violão: [url]http://www.bolsademulher.com/corpo/c...ao-100131.html[/url]

I was tired and slightly from my former mishaps (luggages, motoboy accident, bad news concerning a close friend, diverticulitis) I asked her to care of me. She offered me a massage and I said yes right away. It was very good. She then gave me covered blowjob! I didn't say a word but I was a little bit dissapointed (habitually they give BBBJ at the machadão). After that I was not in the mood to do anything else and she was not able to give me the desire to do something else neither. She finished me in that way and I came in the condom.

Final evaluation of the session: I will not repeat. The garota is nice, very good looking but I had no tesão (sexual desire) for her or she was not able to lit the sparks. Maybe she was too cute as I prefer garota that are safada and with a vicious look. (Final note: this morning I read the GP Guia on the Privê Redway and some garotas ask a supplement for BBBJ. If it's the truth I'll go somewhere else).

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1145332]So tomorrow night (Friday) I have to choose between a haul to Connections (which I hear is lame on Fridays until late) or places on Rua Augusta. Suggestions?

-Cartman[/QUOTE]I went to CONNECTION couple of weeks ago on a Friday night and was impressed:

The club appeared very modern and well maintained. We arrived at about 10pm. Don't forget your I'd in this part of the world. Otherwise it requires some nice arguments (words, no money) of your friends to gain intrance. You get a card with number were all drinks get charged to and you pay before you leave.

After entering my Sao Paulo friends explained me that the club was not crowded. OK, I had to calibrate my observations: The club was filled with 50+ ladies and about 25 men. How would it be when it is crowded? (When we left three hours later the number of people has probably doubled. I would not call it lame).

The number of girls ensures that you find what you are looking for, unless you don't speak portugese. And I don't. So again my friends investigated if there are english speaking ladies, obviously very few. I came to know one. It turned out to be her first day in this club, my first day too, she looked really great, spoke english. Nothing more required.

She asked for 300 but finally we settled on 200 (hihi, my Brasilian firends had to pay 250 BRL each for their girls). There are many rooms belonging to the club. The reception collects 80 BRL in exchange to the key card. Good that I have experience with hotels, so I could show Irene on her first day how to open the door with key card, where to put it to get the lights on and so forth :)

The rooms are excellent. Well designed, very clean, with shower and toilet. From now on Irene showed her skills. It was the most enjoyable hour I had during my hole trip to Brasil.

Before leaving I had to pay my bill of about 70 BRL. Which I found very ok for a number of beers and one LD. Obviousy no entrance fee. Perhaps payd with the hotel stay.

I enjoyed the evening and I can recommand this place.

Nice to hear you are back in paradise Sui Generis.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1150696]Nice to hear you are back in paradise Sui Generis.

GK[/QUOTE]thanks GK.

To tell the truth, actually I feel more like a fallen angel.

I have the feeling that I'm getting older and older and I begin to have some doubts about my future as a hobbyist. I took a rest today with no activities related to the hobby.

I was invited to a terrace on the Rua Princesa Isabel (Brooklin Paulista) to have a late afternoon drink with a colleague from a well known national forum. He was there with a stunning mulata (she was easily 5'10') and a couple of friends that were not hobbists. Most of them were Brazilian of German descent, two men from Argentina and a man from Uruguay. One of them was probably very rich because he was driving a Convertible Porsche Carrera. I felt like a looser with my bus pass in my pocket. And I was still unable to drink alcool because of the medication I am taking.

Went back home around 18H00. I took a shower and went to a poetry concert in Casa das Rosas (there was a lecture of Ferreira Gullar's Poesia Suja). Bought a couple of books by Lucia Santaella on the FNAC Paulista. I saw a couple of cuties on my way back inside the metrô and my sex drive almost came back to normal.

While I was waiting for my bus on Santa Cruz metrô station a huge cockroach crawled on my leg. A woman that was standing besides told me what was going on. I shaked my leg and the cockroach ran away and she tried to hide among the bags an old woman was carring. She was crying and asked me to kill the enormous barata. I shaked the bags and the cockroach ran away and hide itself on a crack in the wall. I began to talk to the woman that informed me that there was a cockroach on my leg. She was in her mid 30's, a girl next door and probably doable. I sat with her on the bus and we talked a lot. She said to me that her brother in law was a Canadian living in Victoria and that she loved Canadians. I didn't push my luck with her but she sexually aroused me. I'm old enough to know when I'm not at the top of my physical shape.

Back home I opened my laptop and perused the national forum. I discover that there's a garota living in the same flat where I am (on the corner of Pavão and Arguari). She's looking very sexy. She seems to be new to the business and the reports on her are very positive. I'll try to contact her later this week.

Her name is Valentini de Luxe and at $R250 she looks more like a bargain than « de Luxe.

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sao-paulo/component/option,com_modelos/task,perfil/id,1662/[/url]

After writing the post just above, I was so aroused that I decided to see what was going at the Privê dos Eucaliptos. This privê, which is located in Moema, is only 20 minutes away from where I am staying. Even if it was 12h30 am, there no problem walking on the street in that barrio. The night was good at 21c and the air around me was very balmy because of the smell of tropical plants and trees.

I had only a previous experience (a negative one in 2007 if I'm not mistaken) at the privê dos Eucaliptos. I knew that it was the only privê that was open so late that night (I'm fact it stays open untill 6h00 am).

When I arrived there there were already 7 or 8 guys waiting. Most of them were very young (between 18 and 25 maybee). All the rooms were occupied and I didn't have a garota's parade. I saw only one girl: Jessica. As she was not my type I didn't pick her up and waited for more garotas. I saw three more garotas but they were already chosen. Finally a saw a garota that was free. My intention was to prove to myself that I was still able to sustain an erection while doing a garota. I said to her : « Tá livre? » (Are you free?) and she replied positively. I didn't ask what was her restrictions or if she was providing a liberal service. I really didn't care. The animal part in me was monitoring my mind and I had only one thought : to f*k that garota!

Her name was Julia and she was a girl next door type with shoulder lenght blonde hair. Not a beauty, not ugly. There was nothing special about her. She was wearing a halter top and a short jeans skirt with high hell. She gave me a wrapped towel, she took clean sheets and we climb the stairs to the second floor. The room was large with a shower on one corner. Nothing fancy there. She gave me her liquid soap when I was in the shower. The put the clean sheets on the bed and undress herself. Her skin was tanned and I was very very happy to see that there was a patch of hair around her pusssy! Her breasts were normal (not fake) maybe a B-cup.

The action: she began to kiss me all around my body. Sucking my nipples with a lot of saliva, gently chewing them and caressing my balls with her hands. She licked my balls and my scrotum. It was followed by a BBBJ. I was very hard and ready to come. I asked her to perform a 69. Her pussy was clean and it was smelling good. I tried to insert a finger in her anus but she said no. She put a condom on my John and I took her D-4 (doggy style). I came a few minutes later in that position. Bang!

Total amount of the damage: R$70 for half an hour.

I came back home with an happy face.

The privê is located at 657 dos Eucaliptos. Nothing fancy there but garota that are eager to please you and that's good enough for me.

I've changed my plans for today. To no avail, I tried all day long to contact free lance garotas (advertising on Club Model or KissKlass). I left several messages but I had no returns.

Then my phone rang and I was all excited because I thought that one of the garota was calling me back. On the phone it was my friend, my wingman and my mentor. I told him about my unfortunate attempts and he said that he could arrange something with one or two mulatas he knows. The only problem is that he's over 2 meter tall and the garotas he had in mind for me were something like 1m85. I saw the blog of one the the garota; she looked nice but as I said she's damn too tall for me. They may be good for him but not for me. The other reason I was not too much excited about meeting a mulata (or if you wish a black woman) is that I've spend 25 years with one. Now I'm longing for variety. In fact, I'm more attracted to morenas and even blonde with fair complexion. I am maybee the only man on earth that refutes the saying « When you go black you never go back ».

Anyways, I asked him about the Espaço Morumbi (he's there very often lately) and he proposed that we go there. On the way he described to me the garotas that were hot nowadays. I asked about Thais (loira) but apparently that didn't ring a bell to him.

When we arrived at the Espaço Morumbi (them thereafter) we were greeted by Fefão (Fernando). We sat confortably on a couch in order to be ready for the garota's parade. But before the parade I had time to ask Fefão about Thais. He said to me that for the moment she, s not working there anymore because she had to undergone an operation (something related to the teeth) and she may be away for two months at least.

I saw maybe 7 girls garotas for the [I]apresentação[/I] (parade). Boy! They were all hot and sexy. No garotas over 7. 5/10 but for me that more than enough. A garota named Yasmim catched immediately my attention. A [I]mulata clara[/I] (it's hard to describe this mixture: what is more approximate is maybe a girl like Alicia Keys or Mariah Carey. Golden might ressemble her skin complexion) with a body to die for.

She was wearing a beautifull dress revealing a generous cleavage and you could see that her bunda were made to be grabbed. I didn't hesitate and told Fefão that she was the one! Fefão called Yasmim and told her to really take care of me. She looked at me with a sexy smile and said « Vamos » (Let's go!). I couldn't resist the view I had when we climbed the stairs. That beautifull ass that was dangling in front of me was a reminder that I were going to heaven.

Yasmim is maybe in her mid twenty (I didn't asked) and her hair are shoulder lenght and the color of caramel. Besides the fact that her physicial attributes are simply out of this world you really cannot miss the fact the she has 19 tatooes, a peirced navel, a pierced tongue and a pierced clitoris. Her breasts are natural (D cup) , not even saggy, and her nipples are sensitive and protuberant.

Before going to the description of the session, I'd like to mention that this casa is always very clean. While I was taking my shower (inside the room but in an enclosed area) she put clean sheets on the bed. She joined me under the shower and we began to kiss: DFK all the way! After the shower we went directly to the bed and she began to caress me. Her skin is soft as silk and she was smelling so good. Before climbing to the room with her I had the information that she an expert in giving longand wet blowjob. She proved to me that it was true. What an expert! She sucked my balls, my scrotum, my tights with a perfect pression, playing with her tounge piercing around the tip of my penis, deeptroathing me, etc.

After a while I asked her that I would like to eat her pussy. She turned around and we performed a 69. The sight of her pussy was even more stimulating that I could imagine. She was also very receptive as I could feel that her body was quivering and she was making sound of satisfaction to express her pleasure. She asked me to put a finger in her ass while I was still licking her wet pussy. I finally exploded in that position.

One of the best session I have ever had. I'll come back to them, but I don't think I'll repeat there's too much beautiful garotas I want to taste.

R$70 for 1/2h

[B]A sexy afternoon with two sex machines. [/B]

Guys, take a pencil and a piece of paper. You'll need it to write down the name of that CLínica:

.841 Avenida Moema.

As I am supposed to meet an friend (not in the hobby) tonight and I was expecting his phone call at noon, I had a free afternoon to spend. I didn't have enough time to go downtown or to visit a museum. In order not to waste that free afternoon, I decided to combine two activies into one.

1) Take pictures of Moema (another hobby)

2) Visit a new CLínica in Moema.

Site: [url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/[/url]

I knew perfectly where the CLínica was located, so I didn't have to look at Google Map to orient myself. On my way to the Clinica I took several pictures of different things in Moema.

From where I am located, in the «bird part » of Moema (Avenida Ibirapuera cuts Moema in two: on the West Side all the streets names are for birds [Tuim, Gaivota, Rouxinol, Pavão, etc] while on the other side the streets were named after Indian's tribes [Nhambiquaras, Jamaris, Jurema, Maracatins, etc. ], it's a twenty to twenty five minutes walk.

Avenida Moema starts at the corner of Avenida Iraé and the corner North East of [I]Praça Nossa Senhora the Aparecida[/I], a beautiful park with a nice white church (facing Avenida Ibirapuera). While I was in the park, I took a lot of pictures of the church, the trees, tropical plants, buildings, birds, etc.)

Another way to find the Avenida Moema is to look for the popular bar / restaurant [I]A Estalagem[/I]

[url]http://www.aestalagem.com.br/[/url]

(Tell me if I'm not mistaken but the music on the WEb site is [I]All of Me[/I] By Oscar Peterson isn't? I'm a jazz buff)

The clinica is just a couple of streets from there.

As you can see on the Red's site, the installations are A-1. The local is well decorated, with good taste and very clean. I was greeted by a woman manager (maybee an ex-garota) in her 30's. She was very polite and with good manners. She said to me to make myself comfortable and she explains what were the prices or the different options available (you can see them on the Web site).

Duringr the [I]apresentação[/I] (parade) I saw about a dozen of exquisite garotas. All were straight 8. 5 to 9. 5/10. There were also a couple of men waiting in the CLínica and they were all very well dressed with expensive suits. They looked like healthy business man. A big difference with what I see in privês. More of the Joe the Plumber style.

The first garota catched already my attention. Her name was Antonella. A 5'6' mulata with a perfect body. It's strange because on their Web site there are several pictures of a certain Antonella but I don't really recognize her. Are they really pictures of her? Maybe it's another Antonelle? I dunno. The three stars tatoo is the same however. She was better in person than on these « photos » of her.

Then came number 12: Mel. White skin (very fair complexion, eburnean I would even dare to say) with long silky jet Black hair, piercing blue eyes, pouty lips. The way she looked at me was enough to gave me a solid hard on. Her smile was a real killer!

I told one of the women manager (they were two) who my pick was: Mel. The manager showed me a room upstair, a very clean one, and she gave me a wrapped towel. She said that Mel was coming soon and she add the traditional « [I]Fique a vontade[/I] » (Make yourself comfortable). Not to be mistaken with « Fuck a vontade ».

When Mel arrived I looked at her and said to myself how lucky I was to have a little East European princess mixed with [I]tupiniquim[/I] Blood. I caressed gently her arms and she did the same thing to me while looking directly into my eyes. [I]Ahhh que gatinha[/I]! (Oh my little pussycat!). Her skin was very soft, having almost a silky texture.

I asked her to choose a girl she was compatible with because my intention was to make a duo. Believe it or not but she picked up Antonella. I was so thrilled that my reaction was almost childish. I hope she didn't notice it.

Here I was with two incredible garotas. And actiooooooonnnnnnnn!

[B]DRAMATIS PERSONAE[/B]

[B]MEL[/B]: a real [I]baixinha[/I] (short girl) 5'0' or 5'1' without her high heels shoes. She's originally a gaucha from Curitiba (a city located in South of Brazil) of Ukraninan and Latvian descent. That explains the light complexion, the blue eyes, the Slave look, the mistery. Her breasts are big (D-cup) but a little big saggy. She has a big rose tatoo, which is very artistic, on her belly and there's a light trace of cellulite on her buttocks. She easily could be a Photo model because her face is almost perfect. That's propably her best physical attribute. In fact she reminds me of Silvia on the Club Model site (another Slave girl) [url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sao-paulo/component/option[/url], com_modelos / task, perfil / I'd. 1508/ (especially the last pic of her portfolio).

I got under the shower when Mel asked Antonella to join us.

ANTONELLA: a 5'6'/5'7' mulata from Rio (on the site they say she's a morena, not quite true. If it's the same pictures evidently). She lived three years in Milano (Italy). A very beautiful face with delicate features, huge brown eyes, long blonde hair (I'm an expert when it comes to women hair, as my ex wife was Black I knew already it was extensions) and perfect white teeths. Her body was adorned by several tatooes. No fat on the body, very [I]sarada[/I] (firm and well trained) and an incredible pair of breats with protruding nipples. And, thanks god, a [I]buceta[/I] (pussy) with well-groomed hair.

I just found out that a girl I have been looking for a long time is now working in a club in Curitiba. On the map it seems not that far from SP. Does anybody know the flight time and if Curitiba is otherwise worth the trip over for a day or two?

It would of course be the same price to ask her club owner to fly her over for a couple of days. If Curitiba is a drag it might be a better option.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1151772]I just found out that a girl I have been looking for a long time is now working in a club in Curitiba. On the map it seems not that far from SP. Does anybody know the flight time and if Curitiba is otherwise worth the trip over for a day or two?[/QUOTE]I think Curitba is definitely worth a couple of days. It's a very different brazilian city. Very clean, neat and pleasant.

I have never tried the mongering scene in Curitiba. Only the non-pro scene, which was good.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1151772]I just found out that a girl I have been looking for a long time is now working in a club in Curitiba. On the map it seems not that far from SP. Does anybody know the flight time and if Curitiba is otherwise worth the trip over for a day or two?

GK[/QUOTE]Curitiba is slightly over 200 miles (340km) away from SP.

It's an average flight of 1h and the prices are between R$97 to R$130.

[url]http://www.emsampa.com.br/voos/curitiba_sp.htm[/url]

Curitiba is the capital of Parana and it's described as The Model City of South America. The French car manufacturer Renault has a big assembly line down there and the unemployment rate is only 4%.

The (non-pro) nightlife is good but I know nothing about the boates, escorts or privês down there. It's a nice city to visit but keep in mind that's probably not Rio or São Paulo when it comes to hobbying.

For those who love German cuisine and beer I highly recommend two places in São Paulo:

1) The first one is located in Brooklin Novo (not far from Santo Amaro) and it's called Zur Alten Mühle (The Old Windmill). Eine typische Bierstube! Their beers are out of this world and the cuisine is fine too. There are some table outside on the sidewalk.

[url]http://saopaulo.unlike.net/locations/305229-Zur-alten-Muehle[/url]

2) Windhuk in Moema.

[url]http://www.windhuk.com.br/[/url]

Both places are typical German restaurants

i took a rest (hobbywise) wednesday.

no privês, no clínicas, no free lance garotas, nothing.

went downtown yesterday to visit some bairros i'm not familiar with. went for instance near the sumaré metro station to visit the museum of the jewish culture in brazil (i'm not jew but i like to know things) , after that i went to visit the casa guilherme de almeida to was not too far from there. guilherme de almeida (1890-1960) is one of my favorite brazilian poet.

after that i went to the masp (museum of art of são paulo) because there were two new exhibitions : painting in the romantic era and seing and being seen: the art of portraiting.

going to the masp, something happened to me. when i went out of the masp-trianon metro station, on avenida paulista, i felt and i landed hardly on one of my buttock. i was immediately surrounded by a hord of people who were ready to help and to inquire if i was okay. i wonder if i would have had the same reaction montreal.

i was not really hurted (maybe only my ego!) but i still have a diffuse pain in the buttock where i landed. when i came back to my abode, i took a shower and looked at the national forum in brazil. as i was perusing the brazilian forum i saw on their affiliated escort service portal (it's not an agency, it's most like a portal where the girl advertise themselves) there were several new garotas. i was thrilled when i saw among them fabiane thompson who is according to my taste one of the best looking gal in the international porn business (with monica mattos and fernandinha fernandez among others). for me, fabiane thomspon is like a mix of tera patrick and lanie barbie)

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanh...erfil/id[/url].1735/

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanh...erfil/id[/url].1474/

her add came at 19h45. at 19h50 i was calling her. to no avail. once again i hit a [[i]caixa postal[/i. i left a message but untilnow (almost 24h after) she diin't called back.

this morning i didn't waste my time and try to call her back. i had the same deceiving result. i said to myself that maybe i should choose a plan b. my plan b was kendrya vaz.

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanh...erfil/id[/url].1687/

kendrya, at 41 years old and 42 in a couple of weeks, is what we call a « coroa » (an « old lady ») or a milf. an arab and italian mix. she appeared on the cover of several men's magazines in brazil. originally she's from curitiba and spend most of his time in porto alegre and other cities in brazil. she is making a two months stop in são paulo and i said to myself that today it was maybe my chance to see her. i picked up the phone, dialed her number and. porra! that caixa postal again. i tried half an hour later and i was more lucky because she answered the phone. i don't know if i wake her up because her voice was a little bit strange. that's funny because, so far, she has had three reviews on the national forum and the first men who met her a couple of montds ago made the same comment. she gave me already her address and the number of her appartment (which is quite unusual because habitually they asked you to call them when you're not far from where they live. maybe she did that because i told her that i don't have a cellular.) it was 11h00am and i told her that i would like to see her at 02hpm.

she's living in the bairro of bela vista, at some distance from avenida paulista, on the rua frei caneca (which is just after rua augusta for those who know são paulo and both streets cross avenida paulista). so i took a bust to ana rosa metro station and i exited at metro consolção at 01h30pm. i walked slowly on frei caneca untill i arrived at her flat which is locted near the frei caneca super market) at 01h50 punktlich! |i went inside and i had to register. nothing fancy. the girl at the desk looked at my drive rlicense and wrote down my name on her register. took the elevator to her appartment. i knock and she opened the door. bang! she was exactly like the picture, waiting for me in sexy white lingerie.

at 5'1' or 5'2' she's quite small, so i had to bend my back to kissed her on the doorstep. she's very lively and extroverted. she put some music on and began already to dance telling me that she's going to perfom a strip for me when i'll come out of the shower. when i came back she ordered me to lie down on the bed. she then began to dance and to strip over me. for a 41 years woman she is very very very sexy (okay the boobs are faked but the rest is in good shape). it shows that she knows what she's doing. she's a former dancer and her moves were sensual and provocative.

she kissed me everywhere my some chewing action (almost hard) around my nipple. but her forte was the bbbj. man! she's an expert. different pression, different speed, playing with the tip, garganta profunda (deep throat) untill she gagged, a lot of saliva. a-1 on that department. i asked her to give me her pussy. a 69 session with no mysery. digits in her pussy and her anus. there's a term in brazil which is : barba, cabelo e bigode (litterally: beard, hair and mustache). at the time when you where going to the barber it meant that you were treated with good care andl all the « hairs » were trimmed. today in the hobbyis'st lingo it meas that the service was impeccable and all holes and position possible were executed. her service was barba, cabelo, bigode! woahhhh.

i went to the shower to clean myself. when i came back she asked me if would like to have a massage. i told her my wednesday mishap at the masp. she gave me a long and extremely professionnal massage. she probably did learned massage techniques because she did several techniques on me, she even walked on my back standing on her two feet. i felt so relax. every part of my body (i was laying on my face) were explored. she spend almost 45 minutes on the massage. then when i was reaaly relaxed she coverd my body with her nude body and put her velvet tongue in my ears and gently chewed my ear lobes. she kissed me everywhere on my back and ask me to take her again. another treatment of barba, cabelo, bigode.

gave her $r250 (that the price for 1h 1/2 even if my session was longer) and she said that she would like to see me again. she gave me her real name and her directions (plus msn) in order to keep contact with her. boy, she was a realy sex dynamo.

Meeting an ex GF and a quick visit to the Itaiaia (Praça the República)

One of the reason I'm in Brazil is that I'm in the process of writing something pertaining to the cultural history of the country (I work in the academic world). So, one of my pleasure is to buy and track down books that I am unable to obtain while I'm in Montreal. Either it would cost me too much money (the price they charge to send books overseas is a crime!) or the books are no more available at the main Internet book sellers (Submarino, Saraiva, Siciliano, etc,)

There exists in Brazil an Internet service which is called « Estante virtual » [Virtual bookshelf]. With that tool you can know where you can find second hand books in all the Sebos (sebo: second hand book stores) in Brazil.

I made my plans for the day: Buy some books that I need for my research.

1) Lucia Santaella / Werner Nöth. Imagem. Cognição, semiótica, mídia was available for R$35 at Sebo do Bac at 124 Praça Franklin delano Roosevelt (Consolação)

2) Ubirajara Rancan de Azevedo Marques: Kant e a música. 264, rua Sete de Abril (Metro República)

3) The Brazilian translation of Stendhal's Crônicas italianas by Sebastião Uchoa Leite (winner of the Jabuti prize in 1999 as the best translation) was available at 629, rua Bela Cintra.

As I was heading to centro (with a final stop close to Jardin) I called Liza Barros in order to arrange a dupla with Carol Morena (R$450 for two hours in their flat).

[url]http://www.duplalizaecarol.********....b95f87f492e78e[/url]

Unfortunately they told me that they only work from Monday to Friday. It was not indicated on their Blog but this morning (while writing my review of Saturday) I found another site where it is clearly indicated.

[url]http://www.volupiamodels.com.br/acom...etalhar&id=168[/url]

(I especially like their pics around the pool table: it's funny to see the drawings on the wall of Tim Maia and Chico Buarque, two giants of the Popular Music in Brasil (MPB).)

Then I changed my plans. Instead of finishing my trip to downtown São Paulo by a visit to Liza Barros and Carol Morena, I said to myself that it would be fun to visit the trash area close to the República Park. I also combined my trip with a photo session in that area.

When I left my abode around 10ham, I met my former GF right on the corner of Araguari and Rouxinol (no wonder: we only live a couple of predios apart!) I had seen her last Wednesday while I was walking on Rouxinol. The patio door of her apartment was open and she was putting new sheets on her bed. I didn't say Hello, from the street or called her. Since I intentionally broke up with my former wife. After 25 years. I don't want a steady relationhip with any women. This is the gift I gave to myself at 50's : since the kids are grown up, I just want to worry about myself. Anyways, I am in a creative process and I have no time for a steady romantic life with a woman right now.

She looked surprized to see me and she was sad when she learned that I was in São Paulo for almost 10 days now. She invited me to spend Sunday with her. Damn. I was caught. I told her that I was on my way to « garimpar » (I. E. Look for treasures) some sebos in Centro.

My trip downtown started at Praça the Sé. I took several pictures and went directly to the Praça Mendes. This place is well known because it is a « ponto » [sport] where you can find SW. There were none around 11ham. So I decided to stop at the heart of São Paulo: the Praça the Sé (in order to take pictures of the historical area and by some books at the UNESP library, Praça the Sé.108)

I went to Praça João Mendes (close to the Catedral the Sé) in order to see if there were SW working that late morning (11h30am). They were none. Instead I took pictures of vintage cars that were crusing on Rua Tabatinqüera. I bought some books at the Saraiva bookstore nearby.

I bought several books before my next destination: Praça the República.

After my purchase I decided to visit the infamous 9-story brothel: Itaiaia which is located at 134 Barão the Limeira.

It was around 1hpm and the joint was full packed! Almost impossible to climb the stairs. In that building the spiral staircases are very narrow and when the flow of people going up met the flow of people going down the circulation is stalled. I progressed in that way a couple of stories (four maybe) but I decided that I have seen enough garotas to have an idea.

I was surprised because most of them were attractives (and the more you go up the more attractive they are) even if I stopped my visit at the 4th floor. It's a R$25 brothel. You choose a girl, then a cubicle and you make out quickly on the bed (I wonder if they change the sheets!) Not really my typical ideal of a sexual contact with a woman. But to each his own.

Finally I went back home around 5hpm. I perused the Net in order to organise my evening. Found on the Club Model site the pictures of a new garota in Moema. I was attracted to her pics because she's exactly the type of woman I'm looking for: a beautiful morena with a slutty face, bikini marks, a patch of hair around the pussy. Her name is Bia Avelar.

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanh...erfil/id[/url].1733/

I phoned her and this time I was lucky. Someone answered the phone right away. I said that I wanted to talk to Bia and the person who answered the phone. Her roomate?. Said to wait a minute then Bia came. She said that she's not working on Saturday and Sunday. I made an appointment with her for Monday morning. She's living very close to where I am and her price is R$200. What a bargain for such a beauty! She was very friendly on the phone even if here and there I could discern some PPP in her conversation (PPP: [I]palavra padrão puta[/I I. E. The way hookers talk to Johns]) like: querido (darling) , meu amor (my love) , um beijo (I kiss you).

What was my next option? A visit to Red massagem. But I had no time to waste. Saturday they close at 7hpm

Almost 5pm.

Took a shower. I also had to change my clothes, new underwear, new socks, shaved myself, brushed my teeths.

Drank a cold bottle of Nortena (a beer from Uruguay).

As I wrote it in another post, Red Massagem is for me at the other end of Moema. It would have take me 25 minutes (at a fast pace) to go there. How was it Saturday evening? Was the CLínica full packed?

I didn't hesitate to cross the street in front of my flat: I directly went to the ponto de taxi: taxi stand.

I gave the directions to the driver: corner of Avenida Moema and Avenida dos Tupiniquins. Damn! Saturday late evening. A lot of circulation in Moema (lot of restaurants and bars, a trendy nightlife. Highrise condos. One of the luxurious bairros of São Paulo. In fact it is the most expensive) Will I be able to make it on time?

Ouf, finally we arrived on Avenida Ibirapuera. On the other side of the bairro (in the Indian part because the streets are name after Indian tribes) there is less traffic because it is less trendy. At 5h40 I was finally at Red massagem.

The same manager was there. I asked her he rname: Erica. Maybe an former garota. She's my type. Mid 30's, morena, beautiful smile, not too tall (5'3'). I flirted with her. She presented me to the other manager (I forget her name). A tall blonde (late 30's, mid 40?). Very sexy, with small wrinkles around her eyes. For a moment I fantasized about having a duo with them! I quickly came back to reality. What could be worst than to be the lover of the boyfriend of a woman who runs a CLínica? There would be no ways anymore to use that facility.

Few guys in the waiting room. A gigantic mulato, an old Japanese, a moreno and a very good looking Australian (Erica introduced me to him. We shook hands. From what I've heard I think he has a good command of the Brazilian language. Us, members of the Commonwealth, are more prone than the Yankees to master foreign languages).

Erica gave me a beer (an Itaipava)

[url]http://www.cervejaitaipava.com.br/index/intro[/url]

Then it was time for the apresentação.

A young morena came first: Nicole (pronounced Nicoly). She looked like a Quebecer more than a Brazilian. Black hair, light complexion, small bundas. The same friendly attitude as escorts in Montreal. Not exactly a beauty but a certain charm (I would quote her 7. 5). She catched my attention because she looked very funny and open.

Then came another girl. A blonde. I don't remember her name. Not my type.

Then Keysse (her pics are on the site). Wow! I don't really like her pics but in person she's a bomb (9. 5)! Tall and all in curves, she was very well dressed.

Thencame a light mulata: Valeria (a 7. 0). Cute, but nothing special. A little chubby though. (Her pics are also on the site) Forte: beautiful face, great smile, nice curly hair. That was it. And the time was running out! Almost 6hpm and I wanted an hour session (a dupla) before they closed (at 7hpm).

I hesitated between Nicole and Keysse. The big mulato guy was there before me and he picked up Keysse. To bad.

Then some other garotas came out from the rooms (they had finished their sessions with their customers). I saw two Japanese garotas. I didn't have time to see in details the first one but the second one was the Hiroshima atomic BOMB! Incredibly beautifull. Very tall for a Japanese (probably a nissei: Japanese borned in Brazil) : 5'8' or 5'9' long dark hair, with large breasts and a Brazilian bunda. She was wearing a beautifull dress. Oh my God, she was so sexy!

She reminded me of Sabrina Okimoto, a Japanese garotas I was crazy for in 2007 when I met her in the former Charms Privê in Praça the Arvore. Damn she was also booked. By the Australian (you lucky bastard!).

I also saw Mel (my first session in Red Massagem). We kissed each other. She was also busy. Negative point: she was wearing the same outfit as Tuesday: a small jeans skirt and a white top. Honey, some variety in clothing won't kill yourself. (I hope she wash it everyday)

I called Erica and told her that I would like to see the other Japanese. She came to present herself. No, not my type, too chubby and too much the girl next door type. I told Erica that I would like to go out with Nicole (the first one I saw) and that she could choose a girl she's comfortable with.

When Nicole picked me up to go to the room, I saw another garota. Very tall, damn sexy and in the 9. 0 area. Too bad I've already made my choice. The choice of Nicole for the dupla was Valeria, the mulata clara.

I made a joke about them when we were climbing the stairs because both of them had the same pair of shoes: pink shoes. I asked them if they were wearing them as their color team.

Nicole was even better than I expected. Nice body and a very nice attitude. I felt really comfortable with her. I took a shower, then Nicole. While she was in the shower Valeria began to warm me up. Discret kisses (LFK) , tongue on my nipples. We were standing up and she was massaging my penis with her other hand. I was hard immediately. She asked me to lay on the bed and began to caress me. She asked me to suck her bignatural breasts. She began to suck me and it was good. Then Nicole came out of the shower and it was her time to take care of me. I thought that Valeria's BBBJ was good but Nicolly's BBBJ was 10x better.

Nicole was more sensual and horny than Valeria. A lot of DFK, digits, moaning, lubricated pussy (dripping wet). I even made her squirt. Her nipples were exceptional: very long and sensitive. It was a pleasure to suck them.

Valeria joined us after her shower. They began to kissed each other in front of me, long DFK at three, they shared my cock both of them sucking it. One of them sucking my cock, the other my balls. Nicole and me we took care of Valeria: Nicole sucking her pussy, Valeria sucking my cock. Carroussel in different positions.

I came while I was doing a 69 nine with Nicolly and Valeria was giving me a beijo negro (she was performing analingus).

We took a rest. Second session was as good as the first. There were 15 minutes left. Valeria came back with two more Itaipava. We chatted until the time was up.

Final evaluation: Nicole! Wow. Not the best looking girl (7. 5) but still very attractive, very charming (I wouldn't have problems to present her to my friend or being seen in public with her) , and very desirable in her way. She is a very good performer and she likes what she does.

Valeria: some restrictions at the start. Mostly LFK (beijo de selinho) , DFK at the end. But overall less into it than Nicole.

Definitely Red Massagem is now my place! R$200 (R$180 if you are a GP Guia poster) for a dupla without restrictions. It's almost insame. Don't forget that I also saw girls in the 9. 0 to 10. 0 range there. I must come back to try that sexy japanese.

THIRD VISIT TO RED MASSAGEM, Moema.

ELIS & MONICA.

This morning I'll start with a typical Brazilian expression: « [I] Tô de pernas bambas! [/I] » (My legs are flabby!).

What is the cause of that sudden ailment? Don't' worry, I don't have too look to far to diagnose the reason of my plight.

Yesterday, at Red Massagem, I ended up in bed with two [I]furacões[/I] (tornadoes) and they conspired against me to drain all the sexual energy that was left in my poor aging body.

Let's begin at the start.

Monday morning.

Another day in Centro in order to pick up more books in Sebo. I like that system because it is convenient and, in principle, trustworthy. I had planned my itinerary for the day. First stop at the Consolação metro station and from there visit a sebo (used books store) which was located at 629 Bela Cintra. They had a copy of Sebastião Uchoa Leite translation of Stendhal's [I]Chroniques italiennes[/I]. That version won the Jabuti prize of the best Portuguese translation in 1999. Unfortunately this work (published by UNESP) is no more available. My intent was to compare Uchoa Leite (1935-2003) version, a well renowned poet, with the source text in French.

Well, when I arrived at the adress, the [I]loja[/I] (store) was empty, almost in ruin. Several men were working on the building that was in bad shape. I asked about the sebo. No wonder, they didn't know. (Why should mansonry workers care about poetry and translation? I'm sure they have better things to do). Well, not a total waste because I had my camera and on my way I took several pictures of interesting sites. (This year I'm taking especially pictures of graffities, among other things).

Empty handed (the coveted book out of my reach) , I went to my next destination: Praça Theodor Roosevelt. I figured out that the best way to reach that destination (from Bela Cintra) was to walk along Consolação. On my way I took a lot of pictures. I even made a stop at the Consolação Cemetary in order to take nice shots of tombstones and funeral crypts that were works of art in themselves. (In an anthropological sense, the way a civilization treats their deads tells us a lot of things about that culture).

On my way, I encountered a Sebo. I went inside and ask the guy if he had the Uchoa Leite's translation of Stendhal. He looked at his computer (logged to estante virutal = virtual bookshelf) and he said that he « probably » had a copy in the backstore. His employee was out of the store. He asked me to come back an hour later. As I was not far from my next destination, Praça Roosevelt, I went directly to the other sebo.

Once again, deception. The damn sebo was closed. I looked in my note book and I saw that I had jotted down the name of another sebo in the viccinity: Flanarte on 264, rua Sete de Abril, near the República metro Station. (For those knowing São Paulo, you can realize that there's a long distance between Consolação's metro station and Republica. That's the distance I walked). I was more lucky at Flanarte: no copy of Uchoa Leite but several books coveted were available. I bought them.

Went back to the Sebo on Consolação. The asshole who owns the shop, said to me that he made a mistake: he doesn't have a copy of what I was slooking for. I walked all that distance for nothing. And I was between to metro station. I used my sense of orientation and decided that the closest metro station would be Anhangabaú. On my way I made a stop at Mario de Andrade Librabry (what a nice building) and took some pictures. I especially like the statue of Camoes in front of the building. Took several pics from different angles.

Took the metro (from Anhangabaú on the red line to Praça the Sé and made a connection to the blue line, direction Jabaquara). I got off the subway at Santa Cruz (Vila Mariana). I knew that there was a pizzaria on (almost) the corner of Domingos de Morais and Luís Gois. I tried to locate the place but it was gone. This is not the first time this year that I look for places I know and they are gone. The best example is John Sehn (on Lavandisca, in Moema) , a German Bierstube that was one of my favorite spot. The building is now vacant. The same thing for a small restaurant on Pintasilgo, the owners were from Argentina and they used to prepared for me very good lasagnas. Now it's a new restaurant selling « aphrodisiac food ». Hopefully, I don't need this!

It was beginning to rain, I had no umbrella and I was hungry. I decided to stop at a restaurant nearby: Making Burgers. 3108 Rua Domingos de Morais.

[url]http://makingburgers.com.br/[/url]

Big mistake. The idea is maybe great but there's nothing worst than eat a kind of food you are very familiar with in your country and to realized that it taste differently in another country. (God bless that pussies taste the same all around the world!). I didn't like the cheese in my hamburger, the meat was of good quality but too salty. I didn't eat all of it. The fries were also too greasy. I even spilled ketchup on my shirt. I had a white shirt, a grey / green casual President Stone suit, and jeans. I ended up my meal with a milkshake: that was yummy!

On my way back to Santa Cruz station I bought a couple of shirts (Santa Cruz metro station is also a Shopping Center). A made a good purchase: nice fabrics, nice colors, good quality, for R$89 each. When I arrived home, I put my pyjama on and took a rest. I was kind of exhausted form my long walk downtown. I didn't sleep, I just relaxed a little bit. I watched TV and read a little bit.

It was around 6hpm. I said to myself that it was time to organize my evening. I was still haunted by the vision of that beautiful « Japanese » in Red Massagem and I had also the opportunity to see Bia Avelar (I tlaked to her Saturday). I made a quick calculation: Bia Avelar R$200; Red Massagem R$200 for a [I]dupla[/I]. I acted like a dumb kid and I choose what was bigger. (I had no regrets but my choice was motivated by the fact that I could have two girls instead of one. My litlle head above was in control).

Took a shower, brushed my teeth, mouthwash, shaved my beard, put new clothes on- a nice lavender shirt (one I bought earlier that day) and a navy blue suit. With a clean pair of jeans. A few dabs of cologne. I was ready for some action. The evening was perfect in Moema: a nice 20c. I decided to walk the distance.

When I arrived the CLínica was quiet; no customers in the waiting room. Erica was in charge with another morena (a tall one; good looking). I also saw the blonde. They are all pretty but I prefer Erica. She greeted me. She send the girls for the apresentação. Maybe ten girls paraded in front of me. The « Japanese » was not among the garotas I saw. I went to enquire about her.

-« Do you have more girls tonight? »

- «No, that's all we have. »

-Where is the Japanese I saw Saturday- then I made a bried descrition of the garota I was looking for.

- «Oh, you probably mean Marina! She' snot Japanese but she has Indians features and she look like a Japanese. She only works Friday and Saturday. During the week she's a fitness trainer. »

That explains everything. The perfect body, the exotic look. Unfortunately, I'm suppose to go to my retreat in the country (Ubatuba) Thursday. On my way back to São Paulo, I'll try to cath her.

To be honest, on the presentation of the garotas, no one really caught my attention. The second one was good but I didn't remember her name. I asked Erica about the girls a saw and gave a brief descrition: tall, slim, brown hair, tattoes, beautiful eyes and a good rack. She added: You mean Mônica, the garota with the braces! Euh. Probably but I didn't notice the braces.

Mônica came to present herself. Not really a beauty (a 7. 0 or 7. 5) but she looked so nasty that I almost had an hard on instantly. I went to a room with her. She asked me if I would like to do a threesome. She added that her friend was a « safadinha » (a real ****). How can a man say no to that. She called Elis.

On my three visit to Red Massagem, I was always intrigued by Elis. Not a beauty: a [I]baixinha[/I] (small garota : 1m58) , a 6. 5 maybe (this is so subjective because in the room she became a 8 for me) , short light brown hair, a slutty face, big boobs and big bunda. (She was always the only one in the [I]apresentação[/I]. The parade of the garotas. To kiss on the mouth (almost a DFK). I didn't took her before because I was looking for beauty in the first place. In raw sex (where there's no love involved) , this is sometimes a mistake.

I was alone with Mônica in the room and we began to kissed each other. She was even better than I expected. She was very [I]carinhosa[/I] (GFE) , her skin was soft, her body was perfect, nice boobs, a small pact of trimmed hair around the pussy, beautiful hips. I took a shower and she did the same thing after me. She joined me on the bed (Elis was not already in the room). Mônica began the session with an intense DFK. Her tongue was soft, hot and humid. She kissed with perfection. With her hand she was caressing very gently my body at a slow and sensual pace. She licked my body, my nipples, chewed them. And she gave me the famous Brazilian BBBJ: the one with a Halls in her mouth. So far it was my best BBBJ in this trip. She took her time, a lot of salive, eyes contact, licking and playing with the balls and the scrotum.

Elis entered the room. She looked at us and began to masturbate herself in front of us. I begged her to joins us. She then took a shower and after than she joined us. Her breasts ar huuuge and soft. Small belly and big ass. She looks so slutty that I had only the idea of playing with her. While Mônica was still providing her incredible BBBJ, I began to DFK Elis. After a while she asked me to suck her boobs. I was almost ready to come I had to concentrate myself to keep on going. I asked her to show me her pussy. We performed a 69 while Mônica was sucking my balls and giving me an analingus. We were in perfect synchronicity. Elis was moaning, her body was quivering. Mônica was telling dirty words. I came in Elis's mouth.

The best BBBJ I had ever had: 40 minutes of pure pleasure, no hurry, a lot of attention, GFE extra plus. I was to exhausted, pernas bambas, to ask for a secound round (there were barely 20 minutes left). Both girls at my side, we chatted while they were caressing my head, my chess, my legs. I was in heaven. Elis is originally from Jãoa Pessoa, that explains why she is different: she has [I] A cara de nordestina[/I].

I've learn something: beautiful girls are not always the best in bed. These nasty girls rocked my world yesterday.

few days left in são paulo. i'm going soon to a quiet village on the northern coast of são paulo.

[url]http://en.brazilian-coast.com/northern-coast-of-sao-paulo/[/url]

i have chosen a town with no night life and no distraction because my main purpose is to write several essays and devote my time to intellectual activities.

before leaving sp, i had some business to do in the morumbi bairro.

made up a plan for the day: fabiane thompson (clubmodel site) was discarded because actually there are too many negative reviews since her comeback as a [i]garota de programa[/i]: too expensive (r$400) , bad service, her boy friend watching and controling her, etc. i don't know if this is true, but i didn't take a chance in order to verify it. didn't called back neither bia avelar. i was not in the mood for a free lance garota: on the web, the pictures are nice but you never know how the person looks in reality. i certainly prefer clínicas and privês where you can see the [i]garotas de visu[/i].

so, i decided that i would make a stop at espaço morumbi (them thereafter). from the morumbi shopping center i walked along avenida roque petroni untill rua chafic maluf. then i turned on my right until i arrived at the civic number 101. you cannot miss it, it a small house painted in avocado green (former name of the house was referring to the color of the building: cubo verde: green cube). always several cars parked in front of the privê.

them: 101 rua chafic maluf (bairro chácara santo. antônio)

phone. 11) 5181-3648/5041-5128.

i was there around 3hpm and there were nobody in the waiting room (except the receptionist). i sat down on a sofa and she send me the girls for the [i]apresentação[/i]. a dozen of garotas were available that afternoon. the first one i saw was yazmim. still very sexy and desirable but she was not [i]terra incognita[/i] (or [i]puta incognita[/i]?) for me because i did her monday of the preceding week. that mulata clare is among one of the best in the [i]casa[/i] in term of beauty and service and i recommand her.

the other garotas were nothing exceptional (mostly in the 7. 0/7. 5 range). however there was an exception: gabi. a tall morena. 5'9' (1m75) with a tanned body, long legs, very slim and a nice pair of racks. i didn't asked her age but she's probably very young: between 18 to 22 max. habitually i don't pick up young garotas, i prefer them a litlle bit older, experienced, more in control, mature, etc.

i went to a room with gabi. inside the room i realized that something was going wrong. the garota was not talking and she was shy or distant. i felt uneasiness. i went to the shower and after it was her turn. i was waiting her in the bed, she came back in the room. was i confronted to a case of selective mutism, you know that case of anxiety disorder impairing a person to talk in certain situation. i began also to feel uncomfortable. she smiled timidly at me and joined me on the bed. i tried to kiss her and she turned her face offering me her cheeks. okay. i didn't say a word because i always respect the limits of a girl. i'm respectful and corteous and i believe that i always should behave like a gentleman even (or especially) in a bawdy- house.

so here i was: in a bed with a timid garota with restrictions. my mind started to worked rapidly: was she really timid? maybe she found me disgusting? she was afterall a very young and attractive garota and i was a old 50 years man? my uneasiness became stronger.

there were no foreplays with her: she began directly with a bbbj (at least there were no restrictions in that department). it was an incredible bbbj executed with [i]maestria[/i]. very good technique, a lot of saliva, ball licking, perfect pressure. i became very hard and my peter my throbbing of desire. i tried to caress her body. her skin was soft, she had sexy long legs, a small derriere. i asked her he we could perform a 69. a second of hesitation but she agreed. beautiful pussy with a lot of lubrification. during the daty she finally reacted like a normal woman: she began to moan, to said it was good, to shake and twist her body. all her timidity was gone (so i thought).

i then asked her for d-4 (doggy style). she put a condom and place herself in a position to receive me. when i was ready to penetrate her i saw the reflection of her face in a mirror adorning the head of the bed. she was looking and she looked annoyed. i don't know if she really was but that was the perception i had. the psychological effect was instantly: [i]eu brochei[/i] (i became soft). her attitude, her restrictions (was it because of me or it was part of her normal routine) , her lack of conversation were elements that rapidly added up to made me feel uneasy. there was nothing to do, my [i]tesão[/i] (sexual desire) was gone.

she gave me another bbbj. i became hard again but was not able to concentrate myself to enjoy the moment. i was several time close to explode but i didn't achieved it. i asked her to stop and very politely i said to her that i was feeling too uncomfortable with her, that she was not enjoying my company, that she was distant, that even if she was a very beautiful garota i wouldn't be able to [i]gozar[/i] (come) with her. i asked her to get dress (my time was almost finish anyways; i spend 25 minutes with her). i said that she can send me another garota. she asked me which one. i was so pissed off that i said i didn't really care. she insisted: « [i]uma morena? uma loira? [/i] (a brunette? a blonde?) » without paying too much attention, i said « uma loira».

i took another shower before the visit of the second garota. the second garota was grazie. it was her first day in the privê. she also looked very young (18 to 22 range) but her attitude was different, she was smiling, joking, and she was able to made me feel more comfortable instantly. not really a beauty: false blond, braces, [i]corpo mignon[/i][i]estilo ninfeta[/i] (small body [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s style). several tattoes that were contrasting with her very juvenile poise. a small belly. a 7. 0 but because of her attitude she looked to me like a 8. 5.

she took a shower. brief foreplay. no dfk but only a lfk (okay, definitely the garotas were with restrictions today. but this time i didn't let it bothered me). she licked my balls and my scrotum and then a bj that was covered (i didn't loose my concetration that time). i became hard, took her from behind d4. [i]et voilà[/i]! i was satisfied.

when i went downstairs i met fefão and he asked me « [i]você foi bem atendido? [/i] » [did you received a good service? ]. i said that i had problem with the first one but the second one was better. i told him not to blame the first one, the problem was probably me (i heard a george constanza's voice echoing in the back). sometimes it happens sometimes it didn't.

when i went back to my abode, i looked at the gp guia and guess what: gabi was a beginner at them (she started monday may 2nd) and there was only one review of her: and that review was devastating, a very negative review complaining about her lack of skills (that not really true: her bbbj was outstanding) and her lack of [i]empolgaçoes[/i] (enthusiasm). too bad, but maybe it's not the right « job » for her.

total cost of the operation: r$70: gabi and r$70 for grazie: r$140 for an hour. habitually an hour is r$100 but i had two different garotas. it's fair and okay but for the moment them is not my numbe rone choice for this year: i'm a big fan of red massagem. better looking girls and all [i]safadinhas[/i] (naughty).

tacet

Ok, in a nutshell, this city is EXPENSIVE. And a bit unsafe.

Contrary to popular belief the quality is generally quite low, though you do get a few stunners few and far between. Ofcourse the stunners are. V EXPENSIVE! The low quality are high priced too.

Spent all weekend looking for some action. Tried places in Jardines, prive in Alameda Jau. 5 girls of which 3 were fat old and ugly. 1 was in her 30's and looked like a junkie, and the last was a tall black girl who had an extra nipple. She was the best of a poor bunch but only a 4 at best. Tried prive on Alameda Franca. 2 girls on, one ugly, the other had a g8 body but a huge mole on her face. No no no thank you.

Went to Rua Augustas Sat night, full of guys and 90% of the girls were below 1-4. A couple of 7's who were asking for 250 reals for half hour. When speaking to her she said, look around you all the girls here are ugly. And she was right. Tried Night time (or some name like that) a few doors down, again, poor quality but cheaper prices being asked around 100-150 Rls. Nothing to write home about. Tried another place further down, the bouncer said there were 20 girls inside, there were only 5, none good. Had to pay an entrance fee.

Invited a girl I met some time ago to my hotel today, she didn't turn up.

Went to a famous walk up in Liberdade. My advice, stay well clear. Very dodgy area, full of junkies and hobos. Girl quality is between MINUS 5 and 1, some TV's too. On a Sunday you could easily get mugged / stabbed on the staircase. If you're tempted to go, don't go alone. There's a reason why prices are cheap there.

Anyway, moving on to non P4P. If you don't speak Portuguese. I would go for another destination. Clubs are expensive to get in to a v good club (Moka or Boka I think the name was) on Augustas charges guys 140Rls entry only. For a few days its going to be difficult to hook up with a Brazilian girl. If you're staying for 3 months plus and you can speak some Portuguese, I think you can find a nice girl friend. But you need to have a little game like anywhere else, girls are fussy here.

Drinks expensive everywhere. Taxis expensive everywhere and almost all taxi drivers will take you around the houses if they think you are a tourist. You could pay treble for the journey. Best way to travel in the day is by Metro, clean and safe but just try to blend in and look like you live there and know where you're going.

Also don't go to Centro (downtown) alone at night. Very dangerous.

Villa madelena is a nice place to hangout lots of bars and better people.

In summary, you can get better cheaper action in Germany, U. S, far east etc. Not worth the air fare to come to SP for P4P unless you are super rich.

Try going to some of the Clinicas. Trust me, you won't be disappointed. They tend to cater to every taste and the cost is very reasonable, from 100 to 150br for an hour session depending on the Clinica. If you are still in Sao Paolo you should try a few of them, then go and try meeting regular girls. Your itinerary as you previously wrote suggested you were going to try for high end fare. I don't even try going there, it is a complete waste of time and money. I go for value always, get the most a$$ for the buck, plain and simple. There are plenty of diamonds in the rough at these places. If you have time, check them out.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]Ok, in a nutshell, this city is EXPENSIVE.[/QUOTE]
Agreed but still not for sex, particularly when you consider cost/service ratio.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]And a bit unsafe.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, you know where to go and how to move around.
Let me add however this is not the only unsafe city in the world.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]
Drinks expensive everywhere.[/QUOTE]Yes, food and drinks in those restaurants we foreigners go are expensive.
However, if you live like a Brazilian you can eat/drink with few reais.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]Taxis expensive everywhere and almost all taxi drivers will take you around the houses if they think you are a tourist. You could pay treble for the journey.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, never found a taxi driver like this. Maybe it is just because I am fluent in Portuguese ?

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]In summary, you can get better cheaper action in Germany, U. S, far east etc. Not worth the air fare to come to SP for P4P unless you are super rich.[/QUOTE]
Again disagree, please consider cost/service ratio too.
I don't think you can get same complete service you get here for same price in US or Germany.
In Far East yes, I agree you may find same for less.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1155697]Ok, in a nutshell, this city is EXPENSIVE. And a bit unsafe.[/QUOTE]As somebody put it, try clinicas.

Weekend is also not the best time to go for clinica and msot of the GdP do not work much on sundays.

There are so many GdP ready to please at reasonable price (OK, this depends on the individual perception of reasonable) , and nice looking. They do full services including the A-level.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1151791]I think Curitba... a very different brazilian city. Very clean, neat and pleasant.[/QUOTE]Everyone says that, but is it so true? Walk around the downtown a bit, think for a second that you're not in Brazil? It could be Goiania (south zone). Curitiba's not so different at bottom, unless you miss the ramshackle [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and filth found not a stone's throw away from anywhere in Brazil's tropical cityplaces.

Londonsoul,

It seems that you experience in São Paulo was a disaster. It's easy to pinpoint why.

1) No knowledge of the vernacular. This is definitely the main hindrance in a city like Sampa. It's not like Rio de Janeiro where you can bang garotas that are accostumed to deal with gringos. In São Paulo, if you want to have a girls speaking English you have to pay the price for it.

2) You went to the wrong places. The worst venues you can visit in Sampa are prîvé in Centro (or Jardins). In these districts you have either trash privês or high end free lancers (in Jardins). According to me, visiting a privê in Jardin was not a good option. There are an array of high end garotas living in Jardins (maybe the most populated bairro where garotas receive in their flats) : you can have garotas in the 8/10 to 9. 5/10 range for R$200, R$250 or R$300. Different types of women: blonde, brunette, nissei, mulata, redhair, negrita, etc. Some of them are fluent in English. Where else in the world can you have that variety? In Asia? Definitely not. In Germany in the FK clubs? Neither and you'll pay more for less time.

3) Rua Augusta is maybe the dirtiest place in São Paulo. No wonder you didn't like it.

4) Lately I've posted a lot of lists of places that are open on Sunday. It's not true anymore that Sunday or weekends are slow in São Paulo. I'll just give you one example: Carol Pierre is one of the best garota de programa in São Paulo. She lives in Moema (and since last week she moved from her flat on Macuco to a falt on Jandira) and she has a Sunday special. Habitually her price is R$300 (Monday to Saturday) and R$200 (Sunday).

5) I've posted several lists of CLínicas in São Paulo that are exceptionnal. (Red Massagem, CLínica Cancioneiro, Palms).

6) I've directed (in PM exchanges) fellow hobbyists to privês that have a good reputation: Redway, Espaço Morumbi and several other venues.

It's true that São Paulo is a city for people that have money. There are more than 30, 000 millionaires living here (that is 60% of all millionaires in Brazil) but they are also a lot of venues for people who are living on a shoestring budget. I can dine out for less than R$50 and for even less if I want.

I never had problems with taxistas and they know that I am a gringo (because even if I'm perfectly fluent in Portuguese I still have a French Canadian sotaque (accent) when I speak). Is it only in Sampa that taxistas try to take advantage of gringos? I'm sure that it occurs everywhere in the world. I never let anybody intimidate me, I always take the lead and show them that I'm not an otáRio (fool).

Tips: before visiting a city try to read a lot about that city. Learn at least some words. Visit the local forums.

I wrote a post a couple of weeks ago. When I was in Red Massagem I met a guy from Australia (he was introduced to me by Erica, the manager of the CLínica). The guy (apparently) was fluent in Portuguese (he didn't like a tourist, maybe he was working there) ; it shows that it is possible for gringos to have fun in Sampa. However, I agree with you: it comes with a price. What is that price? To spend several hours learning the language.

This being said I prefer Sampa over any cities in Brazil (especially Rio) because here there are less tourists and especially American gringos. I even predict that there will be less gringo hobbyists in Brazil in the year to come because the prices are higher than a couple of years ago. Americans spoiled the market in my hometown (Montreal) when their $$ was higher than the Canadian $. Now that most of them have deserted the city (because they cannot realize the same bargain as before) the prices are better than a couple of years ago. They did the same thing in Rio. Wait a couple of years and Rio will become one more time a reputable city where you ca have decent fun for a fair price. For me it is still possible to do this in Sampa because the gringos have never spoiled the market here. It's true that there are some that are complaining about the disparition of places like Bahamas. Those venues were overpriced and some of the garotas that were working there (and asking R$600 or R$300). Gisele Porto for example. Are now recieving in their flat for R$250 or R$300.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1155923].

Different types of women: blonde, brunette, nissei, mulata, redhair, negrita, etc. Some of them are fluent in English. Where else in the world can you have that variety? In Asia? Definitely not. In Germany in the FK clubs? Neither and you'll pay more for less time.

[/QUOTE]Well said Sui Generis.

In my post I forgot to mention what is the unique value of Brazil: VARIETY!

True, there is variety, but I'd rather have one or two really good ones of any one type then a variety of below average.

As I mentioned, I think if you speak Portuguese, have plenty of time to research and experiment, you know your way around and are planning on being in Brazil long term, there's certainly potential.

But for visitors who only have a few days / week or so, who don't speak the lingo, there are many better places to go in the world where less investment is required. It's not easy to find these high end garotas mentioned in some posts.

Portuguese can't be learnt in a few hours it takes some effort, it takes months of learning to speak a language at a basic level (unless you're a gifted linguist). Holiday Portuguese will not get you far in this city. I know I tried it.

If you don't speak the lingo and you don't know you're way around, you can't take the lead with taxistas because you wouldn't know better. I can give some examples e. G. One guy was pretending that he didn't know where the hotel was, put on his satnav and went via back roads. It turned out the hotel was just off Av. Paulista which every sgl taxista knows in Sao Paulo, so I paid double the standard fare. Don't trust the taxistas, that's the advice I got from the locals, who they often try to rip off too. The warnings about the areas to avoid also comes from locals I know, there is a real risk of danger. That's why most flats / houses even in the better areas are behind high fences and security entrances... check it out on google maps. You have to be vigilant, you can't let your guard down. If the Paulistas are wary, then foreigners should be twice as wary.

Brazil is a country of contrasts and interesting culture & people, but Sao Paulo is over rated IMHO. I can only speak from my own experience and want to convey it so people reading don't have unrealistic expectations, and if they decide to come then they take much time and investment in research, preparation, learning PT, understanding the costs etc so they can make the most of their time there. If they don't have the time to invest then think about easier and safer alternatives.

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1156118]Well said Sui Generis.

In my post I forgot to mention what is the unique value of Brazil: VARIETY! [/QUOTE]

.....but I don't want to continue this dispute.
People who want to come to Sao Paulo may read the reports in this thread and decide if this destination fits their desires or not.
In addition, they can ask direct questions to "expert" members to get more detailed infos.
They are always welcome.
That's all.

[QUOTE=Londonsoul; 1156477].

Brazil is a country of contrasts and interesting culture & people, but Sao Paulo is over rated IMHO. I can only speak from my own experience and want to convey it so people reading don't have unrealistic expectations, and if they decide to come then they take much time and investment in research, preparation, learning PT, understanding the costs etc so they can make the most of their time there. If they don't have the time to invest then think about easier and safer alternatives. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Londonsoul;1156477]Don't trust the taxistas,[/QUOTE]Personally, I find the taxi drivers in Sao Paulo definitely much more deferent, honest and eager to do well than their counterparts in Rio.

More extensively, the service you get in Sao Paulo is usually awesome. Taxis, waiters, hotel staff, ect are in general polite, attentive and genuinely caring.

São Paulo is not per se a destination for hobbying.

The city is gigantic and contrary to Rio or others cities that attract tourists (either in Brazil or elsewhere in the world) there are no definite district where attractive and safe sexual activities are concentrated. For severeal years, there was Boca do Lixo or a part of Rua Augusta that could serve as a gravity center for hobbyists. But this is no more the truth. Rua Augusta is cheap (in terms of garotas and installations) and not especially safe.

This being said, I still prefer São Paulo to any other destination in the world because here I can find what I'm looking for: good restaurants, a rich cultural life, plenty of bookstores or sebo (second-hand books) where I can find and buy books that are either rare or out of print and that at a fair price. The are also good quality stores, an hectic night life where it's quite easy to meet non-pros. If you want to spend the week-end at the beach, in less than an hour, you're there (not on the hollydays: it may take up to 8 hours to complete the distance between São Paulo and Santos, a 45 minutes ride in normal time).

In terms of hobbying, I believe that São Paulo is for connaisseurs, those with a knowledge of the city, the language, the culture, those who have contacts, etc. If not, this city may be a big monster ready to swallow you.

As Prosal wrote under, people are generally polite (and honest) in São Paulo. Prosal is habitually very critical of Brazil; he wouldn't have said that if it were not the truth. (São Paulo was among the finalists of the most corteous cities of the wolrd two or three years ago).

This is still Brazil; they probably won't be ready for the Mundial and the Olympics. There are some talks concerning Morumbi stadium (selected among the stadiums to present some games in the Mundial) : it seems that the stadium is unfit and that they won't be able to make the correction before the Mundial. This is São Paulo; an « ugly beauty ».

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1156783]São Paulo is not per se a destination for hobbying.

This is still Brazil; they probably won't be ready for the Mundial and the Olympics. There are some talks concerning Morumbi stadium (selected among the stadiums to present some games in the Mundial) : it seems that the stadium is unfit and that they won't be able to make the correction before the Mundial. This is São Paulo; an « ugly beauty ». [/QUOTE]


Morumbi is not adequate for the world cup. They plan to build a new stadium in Itaquera, which will be owned by Corinthians F. C. This new stadium will host the opening game of the world cup. The venues for group games have not yet been finalised, the final will be at a heavily refurbished Maracana in Rio.

Guess Morumbi will continue to be used as it is today. Don't know what will happen to Pacaembu, the present home of Corinthians.

I know much more about mongering in Rio than Sao Paulo. I only know about football in SP!

[QUOTE=Beach Star;1156865]I know much more about mongering in Rio than Sao Paulo. I only know about football in SP![/QUOTE]I'm a football fan too. I'm thrilled by the actual Paulistão 2011. I used to be a Corinthians. Now I'm a fan of Santos!

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1156783]São Paulo is not per se a destination for hobbying.

This being said, I still prefer São Paulo to any other destination in the world because here I can find what I'm looking for: good restaurants, a rich cultural life, plenty of bookstores or sebo (second-hand books) where I can find and buy books that are either rare or out of print and that at a fair price. The are also good quality stores, an hectic night life where it's quite easy to meet non-pros. If you want to spend the week-end at the beach, in less than an hour, you're there (not on the hollydays: it may take up to 8 hours to complete the distance between São Paulo and Santos, a 45 minutes ride in normal time).

In terms of hobbying, I believe that São Paulo is for connaisseurs, those with a knowledge of the city, the language, the culture, those who have contacts, etc. If not, this city may be a big monster ready to swallow you.

As Prosal wrote under, people are generally polite (and honest) in São Paulo. Prosal is habitually very critical of Brazil; he wouldn't have said that if it were not the truth. (São Paulo was among the finalists of the most corteous cities of the wolrd two or three years ago). [/QUOTE]I agree One Hundred percent.

The key to enjoying Sao Paolo or any destination in the world for that matter is research. IMHO it all depends on the person and how much time is he really willing to put forth into researching the places he's willing to go. When I started visiting Brazil, I used to have about 5 pages of maps, quotes, maps, routes for each place I was willing to give a try. Once I got a good idea of the lay of the land after a few years of travel, guess what? I still do!

Sao Paolo by itself is an amazing smorgasboard of many facets of Brazilian culture and lifestyles. From the diverse ethnic variety one finds while hobbying, to the sophisticated levels of trendy bistros, watering holes, that could satisfy any level of socioeconomic standing on this board the place could appear to be, if you don't research properly, to be either very expensive to quite inexpensive.

I just prefer the down to earth 10's I've had the priviledge of sampling for pennies on many occasions while sampling some the thousands upon thousands of Clinicas, boites, prives, and individual providers this city provides. The best value IMHO is not in the expensive clubs, it is in the prives and Clinicas, especially early when you are their first customer and the girls are either brand new at the facility (Yummy!) , and the mamasan wants you to give them that initial test drive. I've been lucky to do that about 6 times in Sao Paolo. That is as close to a guaranteed good session as you can get. No way I'm telling anyone whre this place is so don't ask.

The best thing is there are so many areas that I still have not explored yet because I've ran out of time every single time. I hope to address this on one of my future trips where I plan on spending at least one month down there.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1156783]São Paulo is not per se a destination for hobbying.

The city is gigantic and contrary to Rio or others cities that attract tourists (either in Brazil or elsewhere in the world) there are no definite district where attractive and safe sexual activities are concentrated. For severeal years, there was Boca do Lixo or a part of Rua Augusta that could serve as a gravity center for hobbyists. But this is no more the truth. Rua Augusta is cheap (in terms of garotas and installations) and not especially safe.

This being said, I still prefer São Paulo to any other destination in the world because here I can find what I'm looking for: good restaurants, a rich cultural life, plenty of bookstores or sebo (second-hand books) where I can find and buy books that are either rare or out of print and that at a fair price. The are also good quality stores, an hectic night life where it's quite easy to meet non-pros. If you want to spend the week-end at the beach, in less than an hour, you're there (not on the hollydays: it may take up to 8 hours to complete the distance between São Paulo and Santos, a 45 minutes ride in normal time).

In terms of hobbying, I believe that São Paulo is for connaisseurs, those with a knowledge of the city, the language, the culture, those who have contacts, etc. If not, this city may be a big monster ready to swallow you.

As Prosal wrote under, people are generally polite (and honest) in São Paulo. Prosal is habitually very critical of Brazil; he wouldn't have said that if it were not the truth. (São Paulo was among the finalists of the most corteous cities of the wolrd two or three years ago).

This is still Brazil; they probably won't be ready for the Mundial and the Olympics. There are some talks concerning Morumbi stadium (selected among the stadiums to present some games in the Mundial) : it seems that the stadium is unfit and that they won't be able to make the correction before the Mundial. This is São Paulo; an « ugly beauty ». [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1; 1157365]The key to enjoying Sao Paolo or any destination in the world for that matter is research.

Sao Paolo by itself is an amazing smorgasboard of many facets of Brazilian culture and lifestyles. [/QUOTE]Sounds good, but they city is Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Raquel Fagundes; 1150443]Hola, soy Raquel Fagundes, chica de compañía en Sao Paulo, Brasil. Mi andúmero de teléfono es (11) 8310-9985. Soy rubia, hermosa why muy amigable. Soy un estudiante, muy inteligente why caliente en la cama.

[url]http://www.bellasmais.com.br/[/url]

Hola Raquel,

Tu es muy hermosa, linda!

Descuplame! Yo no hablo portugues. Pero solo ingles o poquito espanol. Entiende me?

Quanto reais por tu compana? Una hora?

En ingles.

How much does it cost for your company? For an hour?

Gracias.

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[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1156783]As Prosal wrote under, people are generally polite (and honest) in São Paulo. Prosal is habitually very critical of Brazil; he wouldn't have said that if it were not the truth. (São Paulo was among the finalists of the most corteous cities of the wolrd two or three years ago).[/QUOTE]Indeed. I usually don't buy the pubicizing that the daydreamers promote about Brasil, but SP is for me one of the most desirable city to live in the world. Culture, nightlife, cuisine (s) , fine establishments, girls, nearby wonderful beaches, ect, all the ingredients are there to have a sophisticated and interesting life. Furthermore, to reiterate and back up your statement, service in SP is definitely the very best I've had in all my travels, bar none.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1158371]Indeed. I usually don't buy the pubicizing that the daydreamers promote about Brasil, but SP is for me one of the most desirable city to live in the world. Culture, nightlife, cuisine (s) , fine establishments, girls, nearby wonderful beaches, ect, all the ingredients are there to have a sophisticated and interesting life. Furthermore, to reiterate and back up your statement, service in SP is definitely the very best I've had in all my travels, bar none.[/QUOTE]I agree with Prosal.

I have traveled to Brazil since 1999 and for me Sao Paolo is a great place for mongering as far as quantity and quality. A city with the population of 20 million people. There are new girls from the different part of Brazil arriving everyday. These are the ones that I like to catch, new to the business and are looking for fun. But it's up to you and how you connect with the girl.

The *****houses in SP, from the high end ones like Cafe Photo to the local low end sauna places, caters to Brazilians, not tourists and the locals expect good service or you won't be in business long.

Your best source is the Brazilian website GPGUIA. NET. For those who don't know Portuguese, use the google browser and update it with the automatic translate button.

Other than the hobby, SP has the best of everything in Brazil, restaurants, clubs, etc. And unlike Rio, most affluent neighborhoods don't have a favela next door.

The down side is that you need a car or the taxi fare can add up and the traffic is horrific especially when it's raining. And with the Real being what it is comparing to the Dollar, it's becoming too expensive for me.

Just my 2 cents

[QUOTE=Wango; 1158647]The down side is that you need a car or the taxi fare can add up and the traffic is horrific especially when it's raining. And with the Real being what it is comparing to the Dollar, it's becoming too expensive for me.

Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]According to Forbes 2011, São Paulo ranks 6th (tied with Mumbai) as the city with most billionaires (21). The first rank goes to Moscow.

Taking that into consideration no wonder then that the city may look expensive. And it is. I realize that each year it is more and more expensive. To minimize costs (especially taxi fares) , I stay in an area where I have an easy access to a lot of facilities whitout spending a lot of money and wasting time in transportation.

For example, this year I found a new CLínica in Moema. The garotas are stunning, the management is perfect and you can have dupla for R$200! (R$180 if you are a poster on the GP Guia). A 25 to 30 minutes walk from where I stay while I'm in São Paulo. Perfect!

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1158834]According to Forbes 2011, São Paulo ranks 6th (tied with Mumbai) as the city with most billionaires (21). The first rank goes to Moscow.

Taking that into consideration no wonder then that the city may look expensive. And it is. I realize that each year it is more and more expensive. To minimize costs (especially taxi fares) , I stay in an area where I have an easy access to a lot of facilities whitout spending a lot of money and wasting time in transportation.

For example, this year I found a new CLínica in Moema. The garotas are stunning, the management is perfect and you can have dupla for R$200! (R$180 if you are a poster on the GP Guia). A 25 to 30 minutes walk from where I stay while I'm in São Paulo. Perfect! [/QUOTE]What areas is good to stay to minimize these costs? I was thinking about staying in liberdade is that a good area to minimize costs for transpo? Also how about renting a car? Is this ok as long as you just drive from destination A to destination B and no joy riding.

[QUOTE=Auriflama;1159598]What areas is good to stay to minimize these costs? I was thinking about staying in liberdade is that a good area to minimize costs for transpo? Also how about renting a car? Is this ok as long as you just drive from destination A to destination B and no joy riding.[/QUOTE]Liberdade is close to Centro. If it's the location you want to spend time. It always depend on what kind of activities you wan to have:

1) freelance garotas (most of them are in Jardins or in Moema). Staying in Liberdade gives you, for example, the opportunity take the metro (subway) at São Joaquim and go to either Consolação or Trianon Masp which are not for from Jardin (several garoatas freelance are either in Jardins or Bela Vista).

2) From Liberdade (São Joaquim) your not far from Ana Rosa metro station. From that station you can easily reach a good (but not out of this sight) privê: Privê Redway. Or you can take a metro (on the blue line) from São Joaquim to Santa Cruz. From there a bus to Moema where there's an excellent CLínica: Red massagem (for me, actually, it's the best place in Sampa!).

3) If you are in Liberdade, taking the metro up to the CLínicas station (on the green line if I'm not mistaken) will bring you very close to Bomboa.

4) Another good place to stay is Jardins. You are close to most freelances garotas in Sampa.

5) Staying in Liberdade / Jardins gives you the opportunity to find restaurants that are goods and not too expensive.

6) Renting a car! No. Either you will have an accident (Brazilians drive fast) , get lost (to drive in Sampa you MUST know the city) or get jammed in the traffic (one of the worst problem in Sampa: o transito! (the traffic).

Be modest. Take busses or metros: they are good means of transportation. Try to avoid them in rush hours however. It's not like Tokyo but there's too much people transiting in the same time then. It's not pleasant.

An old friend of mine informed me that, besides "standard" service, she now offers fetish, domination, etc.
Just have a look at //camilafetiches dot b*l*o*g*s*p*o*t dot com
I can vouch for her "standard" service which is excellent, however I have not tried the new specialities (honestly, I am not interested).

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1158834]. . . .For example, this year I found a new CLínica in Moema. The garotas are stunning, the management is perfect and you can have dupla for R$200! (R$180 if you are a poster on the GP Guia). A 25 to 30 minutes walk from where I stay while I'm in São Paulo. Perfect![/QUOTE]. And what's the name of this clinica?

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/[/url]

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1160042]. And what's the name of this clinica?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1159958].Answers to your questions[/QUOTE]Don't know why you bother to answer to Auriflama, it's been two years he asks over and over the same questions in the SP thread.

Yes, the Clínica is Red Massagem.

It's a relatively new CLínica (I think it opened in 2010) and the selection of garotas is quite good. It's located on a very quiet sector of Avenida Moema. The rooms are clean, the manager (Erica) is attentive to our needs and as I said before there's that incredible promotion: R$200 for a dupla (R$180 if you post on the GP Guia).

Visited SP for some business few weeks ago. Stayed there for 4 nights. First night went to Cafe Photo and was amazed by the quality of girls. Although expensive the girls are truly worth it. GFE with everyone. Tried 4 different girls from Rio, SP and other parts of brazil. It was very difficult choosing one every night as the choice was simply great.

I did check out other places for mongering listed here but ultimately photo gave the best bang for buck.

Hope you revist SP soon, can't get enough of the beautiful brazilian girls.

So I have been reading through the reports posted on here for a few months now and have finally decided to add my recent experiences to the pool. I am brand new to the mongering scene but as Brazil is supposed to be a highlight I subscribed and read through the forum for a few weeks before leaving London.

I have been living in SP for two months now, in New Brooklin; it is nice enough, safe, has reasonably short distances to most parts of zona sul (roughly $20-$30BRL) in a taxi, but you can do it alot cheaper with good bus and rail links should one wish to. There are few bars & restaurants around, not amazing, but with a Brazilian charm all the same, however it is a ghost town Saturday and Sunday (financial district).

Yes SP is expensive but most large, financially significant cities are, I get tired of reading reports from whimpering blokes about expense and difficulty of getting around etc, for Christ's sake feller's do some research before you get on the plane! But, I'm not writing to join the ranks of the complaining and unimaginative!

For my first taste of Brazilian loving, I went to a (Boate, singles bar, strip bar, house of disrepute. I don't know what the difference is) called Cafe Gauguin on Rua Arizona. 1544. Brooklin. I hadn't seen it mentioned on here. Entrance $100BRL.

It is a nice setup really clean and new looking with a large bar, TV's and stage etc. I got there about 10pm and was told the strip show didn't start until 11pm. No drama, I sat at the bar, ordered a Bohemia and had a look around a disappointingly empty room!

There were roughly 8 guys and 4 girls standing around, not the palace of poon I had imagined. I had been sitting for 5 minutes when a large mulata (5. 0/10) appeared from no where, which would be no small feat as she was a big 'ol' girl. The flirting and the groping felt like she was going to pay me not the other way around (Not feeling comfortable at this point) she is not my style and I didn't want to offend the friendly gorilla by telling her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off (she was actually quite sweet, just came on way to strong for me and way too heavy) She asked me to buy her a drink (Amarula, its like sweet Baileys and not nice) I agreed and we chatted in broken English for 40 mins. During this time somehow, she had recruited her friend (5. 5/10 slimmer but by no means a stunner with some balloon like fakies) and now they were both asking for drinks and were pushing for me to take the two of them.

I couldn't get any prices out of them even though I asked them several times (out of curiosity rather than desire) and they were really pushing to get me to go upstairs which I wasn't going to do without knowing how much I would be charged.

The show started at 11 and I stayed long enough to watch a very bored Asian girl do a very mechanical strip / dance and that was enough for me.

Total bill for entrance. 4 Bohemia and 7 drinks for the girls came to $578BRL (they add 10% just for paying by card too) and no sex or fun for that matter. Burn!

I don't begrudge paying as I ordered all the drinks knowing full well they were pricey, a little surprised about the credit card charge though. As I was trying to pay, the gorilla came over and started begging me to add another $100R to the cheque for her as a tip and would not quit! No chance.

So over all not a good night. However; the place looked really great, it was big and would have made a great night club so I can't help wondering if it was simply too early or the wrong night (Wed). Surely they couldn't pay the electricity bill let alone the lease on the level of trade I saw. So I'm tempted to give it another go when my Portuguese and mongering skills have been honed, and maybe ask to look around first.

Ever the optimist, I'm looking back on this as a lesson in how not to monger for the future. .

If there are any more experienced mongers out there that fancy sharing your wisdom over a beer or need an inexperienced wing man, feel free to I'm me.

So having had an unexpectedly rough 1st experience I decided to leave the fancy clubs alone for a while and try a prive or clinica (can some one explain the difference)?

I found a list of locations, from an old post and headed out to the nearest one on foot. Rua Jaceru 177. Well, it couldn't have been any more different from Cafe Gauguin. After buzzing the rusty security door I was greeted by an average looking girl, ok figure but mangled teeth and bad skin.

I mustered up the courage to sit on one of the couches, praying I wasn't going to pick up any disease simply by sitting on the thing. Then as I had read would happen the girls came out one at a time to introduce themselves not a great standard. About 9 girls in total all between 3 and 5 out of 10.

This time however, I don't care. I'm not leaving with seeing some action.

There was no apparent management, the last girl to introduce herself asked who I would like (my Portuguese is still awful but I now can understand allot more than I can say). I take a girl named Aline. 5.0/10 at least she smiled. I have never dropped my standards soo low but I'm on a mission here!

We go up stairs of the fairly run down house and into a large bedroom with ensuite. She offered me a shower, I was reluctant as I didn't fancy putting my bare feet on the floor, but accepted all the same.

I asked simply for a BJ, and remained standing as she did not change the sheet and it was a little stained from the days use so I didn't want to touch it. Aline asked if I wanted a condom or not and I said no, she seemed to be pleased about that.

The BBBJ was AWESOME!

She was enthusiastic, eye contact, sucked on my balls the works and then CIM and swallow. Really enjoyable. It was a shame she was soo unattractive!

The grimy and seedy environment sort of added to the whole experience (I might have learnt something about myself) and for $50BRL per 1/2 hour a really cheap little adventure!

[QUOTE=Pilot101; 1160849]So I have been reading through the reports posted on here for a few months now and have finally decided to add my recent experiences to the pool. I am brand new to the mongering scene but as Brazil is supposed to be a highlight I subscribed and read through the forum for a few weeks before leaving London.

I have been living in SP for two months now, in New Brooklin; it is nice enough, safe, has reasonably short distances to most parts of zona sul (roughly $20-$30BRL) in a taxi, but you can do it alot cheaper with good bus and rail links should one wish to. There are few bars & restaurants around, not amazing, but with a Brazilian charm all the same, however it is a ghost town Saturday and Sunday (financial district).

Yes SP is expensive but most large, financially significant cities are, I get tired of reading reports from whimpering blokes about expense and difficulty of getting around etc, for Christ's sake feller's do some research before you get on the plane! But, I'm not writing to join the ranks of the complaining and unimaginative!

For my first taste of Brazilian loving, I went to a (Boate, singles bar, strip bar, house of disrepute. I don't know what the difference is) called Cafe Gauguin on Rua Arizona. 1544. Brooklin. I hadn't seen it mentioned on here. Entrance $100BRL.

It is a nice setup really clean and new looking with a large bar, TV's and stage etc. I got there about 10pm and was told the strip show didn't start until 11pm. No drama, I sat at the bar, ordered a Bohemia and had a look around a disappointingly empty room!

There were roughly 8 guys and 4 girls standing around, not the palace of poon I had imagined. I had been sitting for 5 minutes when a large mulata (5. 0/10) appeared from no where, which would be no small feat as she was a big 'ol' girl. The flirting and the groping felt like she was going to pay me not the other way around (Not feeling comfortable at this point) she is not my style and I didn't want to offend the friendly gorilla by telling her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off (she was actually quite sweet, just came on way to strong for me and way too heavy) She asked me to buy her a drink (Amarula, its like sweet Baileys and not nice) I agreed and we chatted in broken English for 40 mins. During this time somehow, she had recruited her friend (5. 5/10 slimmer but by no means a stunner with some balloon like fakies) and now they were both asking for drinks and were pushing for me to take the two of them.

I couldn't get any prices out of them even though I asked them several times (out of curiosity rather than desire) and they were really pushing to get me to go upstairs which I wasn't going to do without knowing how much I would be charged.

The show started at 11 and I stayed long enough to watch a very bored Asian girl do a very mechanical strip / dance and that was enough for me.

Total bill for entrance. 4 Bohemia and 7 drinks for the girls came to $578BRL (they add 10% just for paying by card too) and no sex or fun for that matter. Burn!

I don't begrudge paying as I ordered all the drinks knowing full well they were pricey, a little surprised about the credit card charge though. As I was trying to pay, the gorilla came over and started begging me to add another $100R to the cheque for her as a tip and would not quit! No chance.

So over all not a good night. However; the place looked really great, it was big and would have made a great night club so I can't help wondering if it was simply too early or the wrong night (Wed). Surely they couldn't pay the electricity bill let alone the lease on the level of trade I saw. So I'm tempted to give it another go when my Portuguese and mongering skills have been honed, and maybe ask to look around first.

Ever the optimist, I'm looking back on this as a lesson in how not to monger for the future. .

If there are any more experienced mongers out there that fancy sharing your wisdom over a beer or need an inexperienced wing man, feel free to I'm me. [/QUOTE]Why don't ya try a boate down on Augusta. Named Casarao. 10R entrance, comes w 2 beers or a drink. Lots of pretty girls. Even if you get quoted a high gringo price, the most it'll be is 200R, and you can easily get it down to 125-150R for the girl, the room, everything.

Much better than than getting ripped off.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Pilot101;1160860]So having had an unexpectedly rough 1st experience I decided to leave the fancy clubs alone for a while and try a prive or clinica (can some one explain the difference)? The grimy and seedy environment sort of added to the whole experience (I might have learnt something about myself) and for $50BRL per 1/2 hour a really cheap little adventure![/QUOTE]Clinica are usually quite good establishments: facilities and girls.

One can of course not get the right chemistry, but it is rare to leave the place disappointed.

I can't comment on getting CIM in a clinica: never happened to me. OK for a BBBJ, but FJ is strictly covered.

There are plenty of indications of good clinicas in here, so you should stick to the recommednations.

I think a privè is more a brothel type of venue and the description of your visit seems to confirm a privè.

In clinica you chose gorls from a photo gallery. Receptionists are there to welcome and explain everything and guide you to the gallery room. A massage is always on the menu, it is up to you to make it short, sooner or later.

Can you update infos about Cafe Photo, entry fee and price for service for example?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MurphyLove; 1160708]Visited SP for some business few weeks ago. Stayed there for 4 nights. First night went to Cafe Photo and was amazed by the quality of girls. Although expensive the girls are truly worth it. GFE with everyone. Tried 4 different girls from Rio, SP and other parts of brazil. It was very difficult choosing one every night as the choice was simply great.

I did check out other places for mongering listed here but ultimately photo gave the best bang for buck.

Hope you revist SP soon, can't get enough of the beautiful brazilian girls. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1161484]Can you update infos about Cafe Photo, entry fee and price for service for example?

Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]Entry fee 150R, bico seco (drinks not included).

Parking 20R.

Girl between 500-600R for 3 hours. At the end of the night, or for the less attractive, may be 400.

For me, not worth the money. Better to coose other places, less expenseve and better quality.

Girl's quality not sooo good, service generally rushed, difficult to find real GFE.

The girls seem to have the feeling to know they are working in the most upscale place of Sampa.

You realize that, someone look like piranhas, unpleasant.

Of course, with exceptions depending mainly on the chemistry, if she likes you, how you treat her, how money she is thinking to earn from you later.

[QUOTE=Pilot101; 1160849]I have been living in SP for two months now, in New Brooklin; it is nice enough, safe, has reasonably short distances to most parts of zona sul (roughly $20-$30BRL) in a taxi, but you can do it alot cheaper with good bus and rail links should one wish to. There are few bars & restaurants around, not amazing, but with a Brazilian charm all the same, however it is a ghost town Saturday and Sunday (financial district).

Yes SP is expensive but most large, financially significant cities are, I get tired of reading reports from whimpering blokes about expense and difficulty of getting around etc, for Christ's sake feller's do some research before you get on the plane! But, I'm not writing to join the ranks of the complaining and unimaginative!

For my first taste of Brazilian loving, I went to a (Boate, singles bar, strip bar, house of disrepute. I don't know what the difference is) called Cafe Gauguin on Rua Arizona. 1544. Brooklin. I hadn't seen it mentioned on here. Entrance $100BRL. [/QUOTE]I remember going to Cafe Gauguin 3 years ago simply because it was so convenient (right across the street from my hotel). The dollar was also stronger then. I met a nice girl there that won me over with her friendly and flirty attitude. Almost GFE-like. I saw her a couple nights, with one night actually going out on the town to a karaoke bar, dance club, and back to hotel (600 Real until the morning). It was worth it back then for the experience. Good times.

I just arrived in Sao Paolo for a few nights and while I'm tempted to go back to Gauguin, the prices seem pretty crazy now. I might check out an Augusta place tomorrow or Friday night.

Like Red Massagem, but I can't understand on the site if it's open Sunday. Do you know a clinica open Sunday?

Thanks

I agree with you. IMHO R 700-800 or more at the end of the night for sex is too much.
It is the never ending debate between look and service: what do you value most?
Cafe Photo girls look is among the best but is it so service?
If you think that in some cases you can get excellent service for those R 150 you pay there as entry fee.

[QUOTE=Micpas; 1161523]Entry fee 150R, bico seco (drinks not included).

Parking 20R.

Girl between 500-600R for 3 hours. At the end of the night, or for the less attractive, may be 400.

For me, not worth the money. Better to coose other places, less expenseve and better quality.

Girl's quality not sooo good, service generally rushed, difficult to find real GFE.

The girls seem to have the feeling to know they are working in the most upscale place of Sampa.

You realize that, someone look like piranhas, unpleasant.

Of course, with exceptions depending mainly on the chemistry, if she likes you, how you treat her, how money she is thinking to earn from you later. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gatelly; 1162138]Like Red Massagem, but I can't understand on the site if it's open Sunday. Do you know a clinica open Sunday?

Thanks[/QUOTE]No. Red Massagem is not open on Sunday.

Look at one of my former posts (February or March) where I list what is open on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1162149]I agree with you. IMHO R 700-800 or more at the end of the night for sex is too much.

It is the never ending debate between look and service: what do you value most?

Cafe Photo girls look is among the best but is it so service?

If you think that in some cases you can get excellent service for those R 150 you pay there as entry fee. [/QUOTE]Just to complete your right comment, also not always the look of the girls is so beautiful.

Keep off the make up and you will see.

I would say only 20% of the girls would deserve to enter the place, now.

Yes, for me quality has downgraded a lot, but just my opinion.

I still remember the former Cafe Photo, or the WE (then WE garden) , or Bahamas. Other times, unfortunately.

In my opinion, as you say, can get more for less, and not only in terms of service, also beauty

Hi there,

I was born and raised in Sao Paulo so portuguese definetely isn't a problem. Long ago I settled down in Australia and in the end of the last year I returned for good to Sao Paulo. It's been hard to readapt myself to this environment so you may say I feel the pain like you guys do when being ripped off in some ocasions.

First off. Sao Paulo is bloody expensive! My aussie dollars / bank account cry out loud everytime I go to ATM to withdraw some money. Nightlife is almost out of question because the entry fees are so freakin' expensive and at the moment I'm not working just planning my next steps. In the other hand I've been to two or three pubs as "civilian" and one of 'them I'd recomend. It's called Dublin, Itaim and I remember seeing fews english lads and they got lucky. All of them. Entry fee I reckon was R$40 (no drinks).

Mongering. I haven't had the chance yet but I do live close to Cafe Bamboa in Jardins area. As far as I know it is R$100 to get in and GDP's range from R$300/600. In my local Padaria I always bump into these WG and there are 2 or 3 stunners (8. 5-9 out 10) but they're mostly average (6-7 out 10). Has anyone been there? For this price I'd choose Cinthia Santos (brazilian porn actress) rather than an average Jane.

Some mentioned GPGuia and I second to that. It is the most reliable brazilian source, regardless of the city, to get information about the GPD's, price, location and services. They have something called "Test Drive" and you can count the thumbs up and down to make up your mind before wasting your money as well describing how the service is provided. BBBJ, anal, GFriend type, punctuality, hygine, etc. And of course reviews of Prives, Termas and Massagens.

Being a massive football fan I can tell Morumbi definetely won't take part in the World Cup. A new stadium is being build in Itaquera but of course this is Brazil and there are a lot of unanswered questions such as if it is going to be ready for the World Cup or even worse if going to be ever built. And Sui Generis you info about Sao Paulo is really good, the only reservation I'd have about you is that now you're a Santos fan "betraying" Corinthians. LOL.

I'll take you to see a Corinthians home game played in Pacaembu and this will for sure change your mind for whom you should root for.

Remember, this is Sao Paulo & Brazil. Be safe and happy.

In SP now. There is inflation of gdp rates. Everybody's rate is up by 50-100R / hr on web listings and at boites. There is so much influx of hot money into Brasil. Investors don't realize most people here buy things on installments etc because everything is so expensive compared to average incomes.

I have been in town one day and I am amazed at the prices. Last time here real to dollar was 4 to 1. Now it is 1. 50 to 1. In Sao Paulo until Sunday June 19. PM if you would be interested in meeting for a beer or dinner.

Sessioned with Priscilla. 230R included oral without condom. 180R oral with condom. Good-looking girl. It was a typical clinica de massagem experience. The place is known as Belle D'jour. I did not see Catherine Deneuve in the lineup. Phone number is 3294-0174. It is near Metro Station Vila Madalena.

I received an excellent strong massage from Mely. Bonus is that she speaks excellent English and is relatively intelligent. She has been to different parts of the world.

Website is [url]http://www.massagistasaopaulo24horas.com.br/massagistas_mulheres.html[/url]

You need to call before you go. They will also do outcall. Price is steep. I think because of their location near Paulista at the Consolcao metro station, there is somewhat of a tourist tax. I paid 150R for massage with relax. I am very certain that extras are available. I did not partake.

They say that all their masseuses are certified.

This is a typical clinica setup. The current name is Paulista Massegems but has had other names in the past like CLínica Caribe. Nice rooms. Lineup of about 7 girls at 3 PM on a Tuesday. I paid 180R for an hour. The girl did not not knock my socks off but she got the job done. And there were others in the lineup that I would try. The advantage of this place is that it is a five to 10 minute walk from the Metro Clinicas. Take the Teodoro exit at the metro station. I use Google maps to get my bearings.

This is Sui Generis', who is much more experienced in Sao Paulo than I, favorite clinica. Website is.

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/.[/url]

I paid 160R for an hour. I was allowed two shots in the hour period which at my age I do not really need. Out of the lineup I happened to pick Monica who proceeded to give me the best BBBJ of my trip which is also in agreement with Sui Generis.

The difficulty of this place is getting to it if you are not staying in Moema. I got off the metro at Santa Cruz. I walked R Luis Gois which is downhill and through a pleasant neighborhood. It is about 3. 1 kilometers. Get walking directions using Google maps. Stopped to relax when I got to Moema and had a ham and cheese sandwich and a bottle of water at an outdoor cafe near the clinica. After finishing with Monica, I did not want to walk back uphill so I took a cab to Metro Santa Cruz which cost 20R for a 3 km trip. Because the streets are one way the taxi took many loops and it was driving me crazy. He actually went beyond the station and came back. I said something and he pointed one way. Reflecting later I realized that he stuck to main streets. I would not want taxis taking shortcuts through my neighborhood either. In fact we have a traffic commute problem with people taking shortcuts where I live.

Anyway I definitely recommend the place and Monica. As always your tastes and experiences may vary.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man; 1168609]The difficulty of this place is getting to it if you are not staying in Moema. I got off the metro at Santa Cruz.

Anyway I definitely recommend the place and Monica. As always your tastes and experiences may vary. [/QUOTE]BBM, Puxa! I must say that it's quite a walk.

From Santa Cruz's metro station there's bus that can bring you close to Red Massagem. Unfortunately I don't remember the number of the bus line (the only thing I can tell you, it's the last bus stop near rua Loefgreen in the garage under the Santa Cruz Shopping Center / Metro station). It's the bus line desserving Moema (up to Morumbi shopping centre). You could get off at the corner of Maracatins and Avenida Moema. In a couple of years (2013/14) there will be metro stations on Ibirapuera, in Moema. They are under construction right now.

I'm glad that you had fun with Monica. I don't really remember what se looked like but I do remember quite vividly that she was a real furacão in the bed (or on the mat, I should say)

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1168636]BBM, Puxa! I must say that it's quite a walk.

From Santa Cruz's metro station there's bus that can bring you close to Red Massagem. Unfortunately I don't remember the number of the bus line (the only thing I can tell you, it's the last bus stop near rua Loefgreen in the garage under the Santa Cruz Shopping Center / Metro station). It's the bus line desserving Moema (up to Morumbi shopping centre). You could get off at the corner of Maracatins and Avenida Moema. In a couple of years (2013/14) there will be metro stations on Ibirapuera, in Moema. They are under construction right now. [/QUOTE]It could be 875-C10 Terminal Lapa. 476A-10 Terminal Santo Amaro or 5103-10 Moema-Term. Sacoma. I recomend the official website of Sao Paulo Transportes (SPTrans) to move from / to an address or landmark. The problem may be the language cause the website is all in Portuguese but you may use Google Chrome or other browser to translate to you if it is the case. It gives you the main line as well as alternative lines, details and timetable of it, where you should get off the bus and you can chose to reverse your itinerary seeing which bus to take on your way back home.

[url]http://www.sptrans.com.br/itinerarios/[/url]

I am visiting Sao Paulo for the first time for 4 days. Anyone wanting to meet up, PM me. Couple questions if someone can help me. Since today is Corpus Christi holiday, will termas be closed? What are the 3 best termas for quality that I should go? Also in the normal club scene, does anyone know the best ones with the quantity of hottest girls? (usually the newest, trendiest clubs). Thank you guys.

Viper10

[QUOTE=Viper10; 1169278]I am visiting Sao Paulo for the first time for 4 days. Anyone wanting to meet up, PM me. Couple questions if someone can help me. Since today is Corpus Christi holiday, will termas be closed? What are the 3 best termas for quality that I should go? Also in the normal club scene, does anyone know the best ones with the quantity of hottest girls? (usually the newest, trendiest clubs). Thank you guys.

Viper10[/QUOTE]Viper10,

Welcome to São Paulo.

Unfortunately I'm not in town actually.

First of all, if you're looking for termas (I. E. Rio's style venues) , just forget it because it doesn't exist as such in São Paulo. The best alternative is a clinica. As you said most clinicas will be closed today (23th). It's difficult to name (like that, out of the blue) a clinica without knowing the district, the bairro, where you'll stay while in Sampa. In all event, I can name the following clinicas which are quite good:

1) Clinica Palms (there are two locations)

1a) 530 Rua Dr. Costa Júnior (in Perdrizes)

1b) 416 Rua Gomes de Carvalho (in Vila Olimpia)

[url]http://www.thepalms.com.br/[/url]

Both units will be open today.

2) Clinica Cherry: 2019 Rua Pascal (Campo Belo)

[url]http://www.clinicacherry.com.br/[/url]

(Closed today)

3) Clinica Aneesh: 547 Rua Tavares Bastos (Pompéia)

[url]http://www.aneesh.com.br/massagistas.php[/url]

There are many more. Just look at a national forum to gain, information there.

I hate clubs because I judge that it's a waste of money. The best options are: Bomboa and Cafe Photo. On one hand I still prefer clinicas and privês and on the othe rhand I also like freelance garotas. In that case you have to call an agency (a reputable one). Club Model is reliable. Who's one of the hottest garota in Sampa right now: probably Carol Pierre.

[url]http://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sao-paulo/component/option[/url], com_modelos / task, perfil / I'd. 1351/

I don't know her personnaly but the comments on her are elogious.

Thank you Sui G for the info. I will start posting after I go out tonight. Does anyone know the addresses for these 2 places? Thanks.

Viper10

[QUOTE=Viper10; 1169373]Thank you Sui G for the info. I will start posting after I go out tonight. Does anyone know the addresses for these 2 places? Thanks.

Viper10[/QUOTE]All the info are in the previous posts.

Here's a link to the Scandallo's site: [url]http://www.scandallolounge.com.br/[/url]

[QUOTE=Viper10; 1169373]Thank you Sui G for the info. I will start posting after I go out tonight. Does anyone know the addresses for these 2 places? Thanks.

Viper10[/QUOTE]Not sure if we're talking about the same place. Anyway:

Garden Night Club (previously known as W Club)

Rua Alvorada. 550. Vila Olímpia.

Phone: 3845-2725/5052-1674

Hi guys,

Just came from a 2 years stay in South East Asia. Could decode the Thailand, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Singaporean places. My first week of two years in SP.

Needs some help there from the gurus to get me sorted.

1) Go-go bar.

Is there such thing in SP, I was really appreciating this in Asia when in pickup mode. Definitivelly the best way to pick a girl that really attract you and also immediatly the one who are kneen on you, the one that look at you in the eyes, rather than the one that have a cow like gazing.

I don't know if those prive I read about are like that? The thing is in Go go Bar you can just enjoy your drinks and music looking at the girl with no extras.

2) Lady Bar.

These places where mostly you get freelancers, you pay them a drink have the time to discuss and get a feel with the girl. As the girl get a commission on the drink there are unlickely to butterfly arround.

Good value where you can enjoy one girl company and prepare the best pickup.

3) Disco with regular girls. Occasional hookers.

There are also some good place in Asia where student looking for money to pay study who go to hunt foreigners. Usually the best place to get both young attractive girls and the one that would deliver the best GFE

4) Massage place.

The easy one. Massagem / clinicas. The thing in Asia is that the additional services are always offered by the girl, you don't really have to make a move. What is the usage in clinicas? Do you have to clear mark your intention for exta services / happy ending?

In Asia, in all those places the girl once they understand you are there for longtime will try to get in a GF / BF kind of relation, delvierying services free of charge pretty soon. Is there suc thing in SP?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Any wingman needed, just drop me a note. Samething if someone fancy exploring with me.

[QUOTE=FrenchInSampa; 1169935]5) Ladyboys place.
Beside Thailand the reputation of Brazilian ladyboy is everywhere. Is there specific are / street in SP where they can be found?
Thanks in advance for your help. [/QUOTE]The forum rules says it's forbidden to request information about homosexuals and transvestites.

As a first suggestion I would not recommend streetwalkers, but of course each one his own..
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[QUOTE=FrenchInSampa; 1169935]Hi guys,
Just came from a 2 years stay in South East Asia. Could decode the Thailand, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Singaporean places. My first week of two years in SP.
Needs some help there from the gurus to get me sorted.
1) Go-go bar.
2) Lady Bar.
3) Disco with regular girls. Occasional hookers.
4) Massage place.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Any wingman needed, just drop me a note. Samething if someone fancy exploring with me. [/QUOTE]Although I am not a resident, I can elaborate a bit.

SP offers a combination of 1+2 with places like Bamboa, Cafe Photo. They are on the expensive end (obviously you have to forget the Thai price standards in Brazil, and recently it seems prices are going up, but the girls are outstanding and nearly all provide GFE. Three holers are also quite common in the market, just ask of they are "completa". BBBJ are also quite usual.

Suggest to RTFF for prices and reports, so you can form a better idea.

I not familiar with point 3) , but whilst in cities like BKK it is easy to find girls with normal jobs ready to round up incomes with some evenings out, it is not so obvious in SP.

Those uni girls might be found in some places nearby the university residential areas, but surely some more expert mongers can elaborate.

There are some uni girls working part time and these can be found in the "escort" sites (m-class, etc. You will see the names if you RTFF) as acompanhantes.

The best source of activities are the GdP, gators de programs (there are two specific nationwide forums in brazil where you will learn all about them.

In my opinion they are some of the best providers, lots of GFE, dupla also an easy option. Hot girls enjoying sex, completa and sometime, once they know you they go the extra mile.

Reasonably priced for the 90' set (they are not much clock watchers).

They either work in their own apartments or meet you at some motels. The motels are many and the best options if you live downtown are Lido and Metropolis. Girls are often there and can suggest the type of room more suitable (I once got a very large suite with a huge bed, double shower for 4, and jacuzzi for 6: we were two guys and 3 girls!) motel prices are reasonable and very clean.

Clinica, a Brazilian type of oilies. RTFF to get information as there are so many in all areas. You chose the girl from photos, unless you already have one in mind. You can expect FS as normal. Often you pay the extra in cash (only) to the girl and the room to the reception (credit cards accepted). Level of service can vary but surely you will not be disappointed. 3-holers are not the norm. BBBJ is in 90% of cases.

Mostly closed on Sunday, whilst on Saturday they have an early closing time at 7. 30pm (9. 30 working days).

GdP are more flexible on times and days.

Not easy but a private connection can be done with a massagista for home service. But as they work long hours, they might come to your place at 11pm after a full day of work: not the best option.

On the last question ISG rules impose a ban on the information, but the web is not limited.

Now we wait for your first reports: those from the residents are always the best

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1170113]... GdP, gators de programs ...[/QUOTE]

I like your typing error, surely involuntary.
Correct spelling is "garota de programa".
Sometimes they are real gators but in sex.

Let me add some notes to reply to FrenchInSampa:
1 + 2 Besides Cafe Photo and Bomboa you can find less expensive places, like Kilt for example, just look in this thread or other websites for "boate"
3 No idea, sorry. However, many univ students work as escorts. When I ask them what do you do in life, maybe 90% replies "vou na facultade" (I go to university)
4 Look for clinicas. Maybe some are open on Sundays. I believe Sui Generis reported in the past.
5 Shame!

Prices are more expensive than in South East Asia.
However here you may find really passionare girls and, most important, variety, which I missed when I travelled in Far/South East Asia.

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1170197]I like your typing error, surely involuntary.

Correct spelling is "garota de programa".

Sometimes they are real gators but in sex. [/QUOTE]LOL, indeed was involuntary. Writing from an I-pod, sometime it forces words in that I do not see and then funny words, if ever intelligible, come out.

At lest in this case it was nearly understandable and it had a special view of the "girls".

...as posted in a local forum

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Anybody ever use Josi Producoes Eventos?

I will be in Sao Paolo overnight next week staying at the Intercontinental. Which would be the best club to go that is fairly close to the hotel and where I do not need to take someone back to the hotel. Not looking to spend the crazy amounts at La Bomboa but also not looking for the cheapest place. I am looking for hot women and somewhere I can get some action within the club. Just a BBBJ would be OK.

[QUOTE=AtlantaFox;1170801]I will be in Sao Paolo overnight next week staying at the Intercontinental. Which would be the best club to go that is fairly close to the hotel and where I do not need to take someone back to the hotel. Not looking to spend the crazy amounts at La Bomboa but also not looking for the cheapest place. I am looking for hot women and somewhere I can get some action within the club. Just a BBBJ would be OK.[/QUOTE]Your hotel is near Augusta. Take a walk down to the boate Casarao, about 2 blocks past the gas station on the right, best after 11pm. Cost 10R to enter, comes with 2 beers or 1 drink. Plenty of cute garotas, in-house service, tell them you want to pay total, including the room 130R, pay no more than 150R total, easily negotiated.

You'll have fun.

Redway has expanded. Vanie has opened up "Funy Sexy" (Vanie wrote it out for me but I am not 100% sure of her spelling. She says that there is a website too)

At R. Loefgreen. 934. Vila Mariana.

São Paulo. 04040-000, Brazil.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl[/url]

Get off at Santa Cruz and walk one block through a safe neighborhood.

Redway is still operational and will continue to be.

All at Funy Sex is new, fresh paint. 5 rooms on premises. The girls greet you in the lounge as you enter the building proper. There are 6 couches in this area. It makes it very easy to see the girls and make your choice.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1171454]Redway has expanded. Vanie has opened up "Funy Sexy" (Vanie wrote it out for me but I am not 100% sure of her spelling. She says that there is a website too)

At R. Loefgreen. 934. Vila Mariana.

São Paulo. 04040-000, Brazil.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]

The new site is not yet on the air.


http://www.fanisex.com.br/

The Redway is close to Santa Rosa metro station while the new premisse is near Santa Cruz metro station (not too far from the Lasar Segall museum for the art buffs among you).

The grand opening was Monday (June 27th 2011). For those who are familiar with the Redway, it's Bebel (or Rafaela) who is the manager of the new venue. Bebel is the girl that was working so many years at Redway (mahogany hair, big boobs, a lot of tattoes). She is a nice person.

Prices:

R$ 80, 00 half an hour.

R$ 100, 00 an hour.

- Schedule:

Monday to Friday:

11Hs to 22 Hs.

Saturday:

12Hs to 21Hs

Sui Generis,

Redway is now open on Sunday. Will Fanisex be open on Sunday too?

QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1171608]The new site is not yet on the air.

[url]http://www.fanisex.com.br/[/url]

The Redway is close to Santa Rosa metro station while the new premisse is near Santa Cruz metro station (not too far from the Lasar Segall museum for the art buffs among you).

The grand opening was Monday (June 27th 2011). For those who are familiar with the Redway, it's Bebel (or Rafaela) who is the manager of the new venue. Bebel is the girl that was working so many years at Redway (mahogany hair, big boobs, a lot of tattoes). She is a nice person.

Prices:

R$ 80, 00 half an hour.

R$ 100, 00 an hour.

- Schedule:

Monday to Friday:

11Hs to 22 Hs.

Saturday:

12Hs to 21Hs[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1172096]Sui Generis,

Redway is now open on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

]I'm not in São Paulo currently. Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the new schedule. As you can see on their new site, the schedule is from Monday to Monday. Note also that it is open untill 02ham.

http://www.redway.com.br/inicio.php


Concerning Fanisex, according to the site it's closed on Sunday.

What does Monday to Monday mean in Brazil?

In North America, I would take it to mean. Open all days of the week.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1172259]]I'm not in São Paulo currently. Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the new schedule. As you can see on their new site, the schedule is from Monday to Monday. Note also that it is open untill 02ham.

[url]http://www.redway.com.br/inicio.php[/url]

Concerning Fanisex, according to the site it's closed on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimMorison; 1172432]What does Monday to Monday mean in Brazil?

In North America, I would take it to mean. Open all days of the week.[/QUOTE]Open all days of the week.

[url]http://clinicatokio.com.br/index.htm[/url]

This place is very close to the Metro station. Next to a car repair garage. I visited this place this past April and had a great session plus it is a good option to have for a Sunday.

Stumbled onto this. I think this is up your alley?

[url]http://www.groupon.com.br/ofertas/sao-paulo---premium/buddha-bar/504351[/url]

Part 3 – Sao Paulo (See ISG Florianopolis section for part 2 and ISG Porto Allegre section for part 1 of my Brazil Report)

I got to Sao Paulo and checked into my hotel. I stayed at this hotel.

[url]http://www.mercure.com/gb/hotel-3538-mercure-sao-paulo-moema/index.shtml[/url]

It was roughly 150 BRL / night. Warning: you have to pay for internet separately at this hotel. Other than the extra-cost internet, the hotel was adequate.

I came to Brazil to see the beauty of the country and to do Brazilian girls. So far the "do girls" part had eluded me, mostly because of the high prices that I had experienced. I refuse to pay high prices. I don't care if the girl is the best looking girl in the world. I won't pay a high price, especially if the price is higher than the locals have to pay.

I knew I had to try something different than go to the mainstream tourist clubs. Unlike Florianopolis, Sao Paulo is a huge sprawling city and not a Bay Watch type resort town. I was not constrained to tourist trap clubs.

I adjusted my game plan. The first night I hailed a taxi off the street and tried out my low-level Portuguese. I asked the driver,"Garotas de programa?" The driver nodded his head affirmatively. I got in the taxi. The ride was about 15 minutes and cost around 30 BRL.

The taxi driver dropped me off in front of a clinica. The name was Pyramid Clinica. I sat in a waiting room and five different girls came and shook my hand. Quite frankly, there was only one that I liked. She was a petite brunette with an adorable face and lovely olive skin. She did not speak English but fortunately one of the other girls did speak some English and offered to translate. The price was 110 BRL for one hour. What a far better offer than what I had found in Porto Allegre or Florianopolis. I accepted her offer and went to a back room which was small but clean. I took a quick shower. She immediately went to work on me with a BBBJ. The BBBJ was great. I did her doggie and then she rode me for about 15 minutes straight. This girl was filled with energy and fun. I finished in about 45 minutes. I tried some conversation but the language barrier was hopeless. I left the clinica completely satisfied.

The next night I tried the same tactic. I hailed a taxi off the street and asked "Garotas de programa?" This time I ended up at this high-end club.

[url]http://www.kiltshows.com.br[/url]

Entrance was 50 BRL. The club was basically a high-end strip club with girls offering services. I got two offers: one for 250 BRL and the other for 300 BRL. After having such a great experience the night before, I turned both offers down. I stayed at the club and enjoyed the shows. There were regular strip tease shows and go-go girls. Because the entry fee was not too expensive, this would be a great place to come with friends. I left after a couple of hours.

The next day I did some research and found.

[url]http://www.clinicaallure.com.br/[/url]

I went in the early evening. The selection was seven girls. All the girls were too big for me and none of them spoke English, but the place was nice. I was quoted a price of 130 BRL for an hour. Not a bad price if the girl is very good looking and offers good service. I would imagine this place could be better on a different day with a different selection of girls and there was a way to translate.

Considering I got one great night out of three in Sao Paulo compared to nothing in Porto Allegre and Florianopolis, I called it a day and left early so I would be rested for my trip to Rio the next day.

My feeling is that Sao Paulo, because it is so big, has enormous potential. One needs more time to get the place mapped out. I got lucky the first night because the taxi driver was knowledgeable and I found one girl for a good price. The other two nights I did not find anything. With time and knowledge Sao Paulo could be a good playground.

[QUOTE=TandAforever; 1174338]Part 3 – Sao Paulo (See ISG Florianopolis section for part 2 and ISG Porto Allegre section for part 1 of my Brazil Report)

I got to Sao Paulo and checked into my hotel. I stayed at this hotel.

[url]http://www.mercure.com/gb/hotel-3538-mercure-sao-paulo-moema/index.shtml[/url]

The next night I tried the same tactic. I hailed a taxi off the street and asked "Garotas de programa?" This time I ended up at this high-end club.

[url]http://www.kiltshows.com.br[/url][/QUOTE]Appreciate your honest newbie report but why didn't you read this thread before you asked taxi drivers where the action is? You were indeed quite lucky not to have been dragged to useless clubs like Romanza or Millenari (spelling?) KILT is by no means a high end club.

Don't use this tactic in Rio, please. You will most likely be dropped off at some rip-off joint where the taxi driver will earn a commission for bringing you there.
Do your homework by reading Bubba's guide and remember these names of termas. L'oumo. 4x4 and Monte Carlo. As a newbie, these would be a good start.

Around where you were staying in Moema, there are several clinicas that you could have visited without paying the 40-50R round trip cab fare.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1174369]Around where you were staying in Moema, there are several clinicas that you could have visited without paying the 40-50R round trip cab fare.[/QUOTE]I concord. You were at a walking distance from Privê Eucaliptos (which is open untill 06am) and Red Massagem (on the other side of Ibirapuera). On the other hand. Maybe you were unaware of that. But there are a lot of GDP working freelance in Moema (especially on Rouxinol, Tuim, Pintasilgo, Macuco, etc.). Next time, you'll know. Some of them do speak English.

Lavandisca is a quiet street with several good restaurants and bars. The only time it's buzy it's Sunday morning when there's a open air market on the street (early on the morning untill mid afternoon). Nex time you rent a room in the same hotel you mus know that there's a bus stop (onibus parada) real close, on the corner of Lavandisca and Macuco: this bus goes to the Santa Cruz subway station.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis;1174385]Maybe you were unaware of that.[/QUOTE]Yes, unaware. The night turned out very good. I was lucky.

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1174369]Appreciate your honest newbie report but why didn't you read this thread before you asked taxi drivers where the action is?

Don't use this tactic in Rio, please. You will most likely be dropped off at some rip-off joint where the taxi driver will earn a commission for bringing you there.

Do your homework by reading Bubba's guide and remember these names of termas. L'oumo. 4x4 and Monte Carlo. As a newbie, these would be a good start.

Around where you were staying in Moema, there are several clinicas that you could have visited without paying the 40-50R round trip cab fare.[/QUOTE]I didn't know about this thread. Strange, but the international sex guide does not come up on many Google searches.

The night turned out great minus the taxi fair. Who knows if I would have found a girl at the other clinicas.

I have already finished the Rio part of my trip. I will post the results as soon as I write them up. Maybe sometime today.

Thanks for the advice. If I go mongering in the future, I will research here first.

Hi all, Staying the Hyatt this week and was wondering if anybody could recommend a good place to go to for FS? Nothing kinky or special, just want to do a Brazilian woman in Sao Paulo and don't want to take a taxi very far.

Please let me know if you have a chance. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Johnnysim2000; 1174673]Hi all, Staying the Hyatt this week and was wondering if anybody could recommend a good place to go to for FS? Nothing kinky or special, just want to do a Brazilian woman in Sao Paulo and don't want to take a taxi very far.

Please let me know if you have a chance. Thank you![/QUOTE]I have something for you. Your hotel- quite a good one by the way. Is very close to the Morumbi Shopping Center. From your hotel. Which is located on Avenida das Naçoes Unidas- walk against the traffic (which is one way or a contra mão going north) I. E. Go south untill the Morumbi Shopping Center (you cannot miss it). At the shopping center take Avenida Roque Petroni untill you reach Rua Chafik Maluf. On that street there is a privê which is good:

Espaço Morumbi 101 Rua Chafic Maluf.

Phone: (11) 5041-5128.

(Most garotas are 7/10 but sometimes there are 8/10 or 8. 5/10. 9/10.) If you want a PSE experience try Jasmine. Unforgettable. A mulatta clara with 19 tattoes.

I can also suggest a good churrascaria with a good selection of different dishes (pasta, fish, salads, desserts). On the same street: Avenida Roque Petroni. It's called churrascaria Morumbi: [url]http://www.morumbigrill.com.br/[/url]

[QUOTE=Almotu; 1173321]Stumbled onto this. I think this is up your alley?

[url]http://www.groupon.com.br/ofertas/sao-paulo---premium/buddha-bar/504351[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks Almotu,

I have been there a couple of years ago when it was really good. The chef back then was Bel Coelho. She is now in her own restaurant called Dui (which is excellent by the way). Buddha Bar is now just a bleak copy of what it once was.

GK

[QUOTE=SkinnyBop; 1169408]Not sure if we're talking about the same place. Anyway:

Garden Night Club (previously known as W Club)

Rua Alvorada. 550. Vila Olímpia.

Phone: 3845-2725/5052-1674[/QUOTE]From what I understand W Garden (which was the last name) is now closed. If anyone should find out otherwise, please don't hesitate to put the current status up on this board.

GK

Anyone know of places where the non-pros (and I use that term loosely) hang out by day in SP that are not termas or boites? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Davis150;1175268]Anyone know of places where the non-pros (and I use that term loosely) hang out by day in SP that are not termas or boites? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I once wrote a post on this subject. The best place to meet non-pros in Sampa is along the Avenida Paulista, just after the office hours, when women go to the numerous HH. You can find the same thing in many HH in Moema, Vila Olimpa, Vila Madalena, Pinheiros.

If you speak the language you can meet women almost anywhere in São Paulo. I once met a non-pro in a sebo (second-hand bookstore).

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1175288]I once wrote a post on this subject. The best place to meet non-pros in Sampa is along the Avenida Paulista, just after the office hours, when women go to the numerous HH. You can find the same thing in many HH in Moema, Vila Olimpa, Vila Madalena, Pinheiros.

If you speak the language you can meet women almost anywhere in São Paulo. I once met a non-pro in a sebo (second-hand bookstore).[/QUOTE]What is HH?

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1175156]I have something for you. Your hotel- quite a good one by the way. Is very close to the Morumbi Shopping Center. From your hotel. Which is located on Avenida das Naçoes Unidas- walk against the traffic (which is one way or a contra mão going north) I. E. Go south untill the Morumbi Shopping Center (you cannot miss it). At the shopping center take Avenida Roque Petroni untill you reach Rua Chafik Maluf. On that street there is a privê which is good:

Espaço Morumbi 101 Rua Chafic Maluf.

Phone: (11) 5041-5128.

(Most garotas are 7/10 but there are 8/10 or 8. 5/10. 9/10.) If you want a PSE experience try Jasmine. Unforgettable. A mulatta clara with 19 tattoes.

I can also suggest a good churrascaria with a good selection of different dishes (pasta, fish, salads, desserts). On the same street: Avenida Roque Petroni. It's called churrascaria Morumbi:

[url]http://www.morumbigrill.com.br/[/url][/QUOTE]Dear Sui, thanks for your e-mail and recommendation. I found Espaco Morumbi but it was closed. It was around 5:00 pm today. No cars in parking lot and nobody answered the buzzer.

Any other recommendations within walking distance? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Auriflama;1176018]What is HH?[/QUOTE]Simply Happy Hours

Hi guys, I will visit SP in few weeks, I will stay in Hotel Park Inn Radisson, Ibirapuera. Any information about action around this area?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Yapeyu; 1176343]Hi guys, I will visit SP in few weeks, I will stay in Hotel Park Inn Radisson, Ibirapuera. Any information about action around this area?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Welcome Yapeyu.

Here's a map of your hotel and, by the same token, your district: Moema.

[url]http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=fr&q=Hotel[/url]%20Park%20Inn%20Radisson%2C%20Ibirapuera&rlz=1R2ADRA_frCA422&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=3211l3211l0l4347l1l1l0l0l0l0l212l212l2-1l1&bav=on. 2, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=615&wrapid=tlif131064605159811&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl.

You hotel is located on the Avenida Ibirapuera and your close to everything.

TRANSPORTATION.

1a) If you want to go downtown you can either take a bus on the avenida Ibirapuera on the huge "parada" which is located in front of Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida (where there is a big white church). Take busses where it is written Praça the Sé and you will be dowtown, in the historic hub of the city, in a few minutes (when it's not the rush hours!).

1b) If you want to take the metro go to the corner of Ibirapuera and Lavandisca (just besides Praça das Pombos). The bus will take you to Santa Cruz metro station. This is the blue line: if you want to go downton take the direction towards Tucuruvi (North part of the Town).

1c) You can also take a bus on the corner of Ibirapuera and Rouxinol. The bus goes to the Ana Rosa metro station (ibid: blue line direction Tucuruvi).

1d) If you want to take a taxi there are many paradas in the district. (I am aware that there is one on the corner of Jamaris and Ibirapuera, nera the Mercure hotel). You can also ask a clerk at your hotel to call a taxi for you.

HOBBYING.

2a) If you take a look on the map, you'll notice that besides the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida there's the Avenida Moema. Walk up to number 841 (it is on the north side of the street). This is a very quiet bairro with luxurious condos. Don't be afraid to walk on that street (or in Moema). According to me, Red Massagen is actually one of the best spot in São Paulo.

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/[/url]

The manager, Erica is a gem. My suggestions: Mel (a garota with a very light complexion. She's of Ukranian / Polish descent. Black hair and blue eyes) or Monica (a tall brunette with a nice pair of rack. Her service is A-1!)

R$90 for 1/2h.

R$150 for 1h.

(There are promotions for the GP Guia foristas but that doesn't apply to you or most of the reader of this thread).

2b) If you are a little bit adventurous, there is a privê on Eucaliptos (just in front of the Ibirapuera Shopping Center). It's on located at 657 Avenida dos Eucaliptos. The "plantel" (staff) is less interesting than Red Massagem (basically this is the main difference between a CLínica (Red Massagem) and a privê (Eucaliptos). The main advantage of Eucaliptos is the following one: it's open almost all day long (it closes at 06am).

R$60 for 1/2h.

R$120 for 1h.

Not the best option, but for a quickie it's okay.

2c) Not too far from your hotel there's a nice privê near the Santa Cruz metro station. It's a new privê and the manager is Bebel. (You can either take a taxi or a bus to go there: See 1b.

It's called Fanysex: [url]http://www.fanisex.com.br/#[/url]

934 Rua Loefgreen in Vila Mariana.

R$60 1/2.

R$100 1h.

Sometimes there are gems working there.

2d) Take a cab or a bus (see 1c) and visit the Red Way. This is a privê near the Ana Rosa metro station.

It's located at 449 Rua Machado de Assis.

[url]http://www.redway.com.br/[/url]

2e) There are several swing clubs near your hotel. If you need info PM me.

NON-PRO.

3a) There's a fine bar where you can pick up non-pros especially between 05 and 08pm (happy hours).

It's called Estalagem and it's located on the corner of Avenida Moema and Irãe (see the map).

3b) Shopping Ibirapuera is also a good place to mett non-pro (I'm damn serious!)

EATING OUT.

Go an Lavandisca there are an array of restraurants and bars. Moema is on of the best place to dine out.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1176390]Welcome Yapeyu.

2a) If you take a look on the map, you'll notice that besides the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida there's the Avenida Moema. Walk up to number 841 (it is on the north side of the street). This is a very quiet bairro with luxurious condos. Don't be afraid to walk on that street (or in Moema). According to me, Red Massagen is actually one of the best spot in São Paulo.

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/[/url]

The manager, Erica is a gem. My suggestions: Mel (a garota with a very light complexion. She's of Ukranian / Polish descent. Black hair and blue eyes) or Monica (a tall brunette with a nice pair of rack. Her service is A-1!)

R$90 for 1/2h.

R$150 for 1h.

(There are promotions for the GP Guia foristas but that doesn't apply to you or most of the reader of this thread).

Dear Sui Generis, I went to Red Massagem today around 11:45 am and they were closed. The receptionist was quite abrupt and I didn't speak any portuguese so I am assuming they don't want foreigners.

Thank you very much Sui Generis, I will follow your advice, I have time to explore the are and I will let you know.

Can you re-send the link to the map, because is not working well.

Are you from Brazil?

Let's be in touch and may be we can do something in Sau Paulo.

Regards,

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1176390]Welcome Yapeyu.

Here's a map of your hotel and, by the same token, your district: Moema.

[url]http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=fr&q=Hotel[/url]

%20Park%20Inn%20Radisson%2C%20Ibirapuera&rlz=1R2ADRA_frCA422&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=3211l3211l0l4347l1l1l0l0l0l0l212l212l2-1l1&bav=on. 2, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=615&wrapid=tlif131064605159811&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl.

You hotel is located on the Avenida Ibirapuera and your close to everything.

TRANSPORTATION.

1a) If you want to go downtown you can either take a bus on the avenida Ibirapuera on the huge "parada" which is located in front of Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida (where there is a big white church). Take busses where it is written Praça the Sé and you will be dowtown, in the historic hub of the city, in a few minutes (when it's not the rush hours!).

1b) If you want to take the metro go to the corner of Ibirapuera and Lavandisca (just besides Praça das Pombos). The bus will take you to Santa Cruz metro station. This is the blue line: if you want to go downton take the direction towards Tucuruvi (North part of the Town).

1c) You can also take a bus on the corner of Ibirapuera and Rouxinol. The bus goes to the Ana Rosa metro station (ibid: blue line direction Tucuruvi).

1d) If you want to take a taxi there are many paradas in the district. (I am aware that there is one on the corner of Jamaris and Ibirapuera, nera the Mercure hotel). You can also ask a clerk at your hotel to call a taxi for you.

HOBBYING.

2a) If you take a look on the map, you'll notice that besides the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida there's the Avenida Moema. Walk up to number 841 (it is on the north side of the street). This is a very quiet bairro with luxurious condos. Don't be afraid to walk on that street (or in Moema). According to me, Red Massagen is actually one of the best spot in São Paulo.

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/[/url]

The manager, Erica is a gem. My suggestions: Mel (a garota with a very light complexion. She's of Ukranian / Polish descent. Black hair and blue eyes) or Monica (a tall brunette with a nice pair of rack. Her service is A-1!)

R$90 for 1/2h.

R$150 for 1h.

(There are promotions for the GP Guia foristas but that doesn't apply to you or most of the reader of this thread).

2b) If you are a little bit adventurous, there is a privê on Eucaliptos (just in front of the Ibirapuera Shopping Center). It's on located at 657 Avenida dos Eucaliptos. The "plantel" (staff) is less interesting than Red Massagem (basically this is the main difference between a CLínica (Red Massagem) and a privê (Eucaliptos). The main advantage of Eucaliptos is the following one: it's open almost all day long (it closes at 06am).

R$60 for 1/2h.

R$120 for 1h.

Not the best option, but for a quickie it's okay.

2c) Not too far from your hotel there's a nice privê near the Santa Cruz metro station. It's a new privê and the manager is Bebel. (You can either take a taxi or a bus to go there: See 1b.

It's called Fanysex:

[url]http://www.fanisex.com.br/#[/url]

934 Rua Loefgreen in Vila Mariana.

R$60 1/2.

R$100 1h.

Sometimes there are gems working there.

2d) Take a cab or a bus (see 1c) and visit the Red Way. This is a privê near the Ana Rosa metro station.

It's located at 449 Rua Machado de Assis.

[url]http://www.redway.com.br/[/url]

2e) There are several swing clubs near your hotel. If you need info PM me.

NON-PRO.

3a) There's a fine bar where you can pick up non-pros especially between 05 and 08pm (happy hours).

It's called Estalagem and it's located on the corner of Avenida Moema and Irãe (see the map).

3b) Shopping Ibirapuera is also a good place to mett non-pro (I'm damn serious!)

EATING OUT.

Go an Lavandisca there are an array of restraurants and bars. Moema is on of the best place to dine out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yapeyu; 1176656]Can you re-send the link to the map, because is not working well.

Are you from Brazil?

, [/QUOTE]The link: just go on Google search (map) and type the adress of your hotel. You will have a map of the viccinity of your hotel. You can also ask at your hotel a map of São Paulo. It a small monthly booklet with a lot of information (sorry I don't remember the name of the magazine) small maps of some district (centro, jardins, Moema, among others) and a couple of garota's ads.

You can slo buy a large street directory in a banca (newstand). There is one located at Praça das Pombos and one in the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida. It costs something like R$16 if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not Brazilian but a proud French Canadian Pea Soup from Montreal.

Hi Sui Generis,

Thank you for your help.

Yapeyu98.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1177565]The link: just go on Google search (map) and type the adress of your hotel. You will have a map of the viccinity of your hotel. You can also ask at your hotel a map of São Paulo. It a small monthly booklet with a lot of information (sorry I don't remember the name of the magazine) small maps of some district (centro, jardins, Moema, among others) and a couple of garota's ads.

You can slo buy a large street directory in a banca (newstand). There is one located at Praça das Pombos and one in the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida. It costs something like R$16 if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not Brazilian but a proud French Canadian Pea Soup from Montreal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1175260]From what I understand W Garden (which was the last name) is now closed. If anyone should find out otherwise, please don't hesitate to put the current status up on this board.

GK[/QUOTE]Yes its closed with police blocks out front. I don't know what happened but that place was under investigation last year when a girl od in one of their rooms. This was told to me by a girl who use to work there.

There's something wrong in Moema because most of the places are now closed. That's sad because Red Massagem was my favorite place. I don't have the copnfirmation yet but it appears that it's closed for good.

Moema.

Non-pro. If you're into Rock these places are worth to check:

[url]http://www.rhinopub.com.br/site/[/url]

[url]http://www.wildhorsemusicbar.com.br/[/url]

Eating-out. There's a great Japanese, all you can eat, near Igreja de Moema as well as a food court in Ibirapuera Shopping Center.

[QUOTE=SkinnyBop; 1180083]Moema.

Non-pro. If you're into Rock these places are worth to check:

[url]http://www.rhinopub.com.br/site/[/url][/QUOTE]Some 10€ for a bottled beer in a mid-level venue isn't cheap. Moscow is cheaper.

Brasil is pricing itself out of the market.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1180121]Some 10€ for a bottled beer in a mid-level venue isn't cheap. Moscow is cheaper.

Brasil is pricing itself out of the market.[/QUOTE]Tax + tax + tax = Brazil.

Two weeks ago I drove a friend of mine to Guarulhos Airport and had McDonalds for Dinner. I hadn't been there for ages and I was shocked!

Numero 1 (big mac meal) + sundae = R$25,00.

Watch out guys.

Melià is now charging 220BRL to let gdps in!

First time ever!

A real rip-off!

Bb5

Thank you thishelps.

[QUOTE=Bobo5; 1181025]Watch out guys.

Melià is now charging 220BRL to let gdps in!

First time ever!

A real rip-off!

Bb5[/QUOTE]

I'm not a frequent visitor of Cafe Photo. However, I had some friends visiting from the States so I decided to give them a tastes of SP by taking them to Cafe Photo.

After we got our table, we started off by ordering a bottle of JW Blue and invited some ladies hanging around our table. One blonde attractive girl came around me like I'm a her old friend. Then, she took out a cigarette and asked for a light. In Japaness. To my surprise, her Japaness was perfect. I asked her where she learned Japanese. She tells me she had a Japanes sugardaddy for the past 2 years who came to SP every few months for a business trip. Everytime he came to town he spend enough money to main her life style for the next 6 months. I have a feeling that he is dropping about 10K-20K to her each time he comes to SP. Evidently, she lost her suggardaddy and she is looking for another suggardaddy. This is hard act to follow. Has anyone experience anything like this?

Hello, friends.

I am visiting sao paulo for amonth and would like to try my luck in mongering here.

I am staying far from city near sao bernardo do campo.

I know there cannot much happening here but just want to know nearest places from these.

Also I don't have too big budget hence cannot afford big clubs.

Plus I speak english and no porto.

Please guide me with good cotacts of clinicas or prives or independant contacts who are economical.

It would be great if someone can join me for fun time.

I can travel to the city also but I depend on buses or local train.

I have tried partytreff and fkk in germany. Is there anything similar here

[QUOTE=Killerjoy; 1182854]Hello, friends.

I am visiting sao paulo for amonth and would like to try my luck in mongering here.

I am staying far from city near sao bernardo do campo.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there for more than 5 years but Bacco's used to be nice a mid-range place.

[url]http://www.apontador.com.br/local/sp/sao_bernardo_do_campo/teatro_e_cultura/7M22K49T/bacos_sauna_night_club_ltda.html[/url]

At GPGuia. Net, the brazilian version of ISG, they're talking about a newly opened small Prive at Rua Crisantemos. 189 Bairro Assunção SBC. 2822-7920. It seems Dany's a good option as well as Rayca. Prices ranging from R$50 (30 minutes) , R$100 (one hour) + R$30 for anal to R$200 / hour (3some).

[QUOTE=Timeoff; 1182768]I'm not a frequent visitor of Cafe Photo. However, I had some friends visiting from the States so I decided to give them a tastes of SP by taking them to Cafe Photo.

After we got our table, we started off by ordering a bottle of JW Blue and invited some ladies hanging around our table. One blonde attractive girl came around me like I'm a her old friend. Then, she took out a cigarette and asked for a light. In Japaness. To my surprise, her Japaness was perfect. I asked her where she learned Japanese. She tells me she had a Japanes sugardaddy for the past 2 years who came to SP every few months for a business trip. Everytime he came to town he spend enough money to main her life style for the next 6 months. I have a feeling that he is dropping about 10K-20K to her each time he comes to SP. Evidently, she lost her suggardaddy and she is looking for another suggardaddy. This is hard act to follow. Has anyone experience anything like this?[/QUOTE]She probably still see him. Its not uncommon for them to have multiple sugar daddies and still work as a pro. Because enough is never enough!

Sui Generis or G. K, can you help with information on any good vegan or vegetarian restaurants in Jardins or Moema?

[QUOTE=Almotu;1184157]Sui Generis or G. K, can you help with information on any good vegan or vegetarian restaurants in Jardins or Moema?[/QUOTE]I am aware of a vegetarian restaurant on 1339 Gaivota in Moema.

The name of the restaurant is Cachoeira Tropical.

There are also two locations of a vegetarian restaurant whic is quite godd: Moema natural.

A) 1456, Al. Do Arapanés.

Be) 1332 Al. Jauaperi.

[url]http://www.moemanatural.com.br/[/url]

I went to these three locations and I can vouch for them.

Here's a link with a list of 40 vegetarian restaurants in São Paulo:

[url]http://www.vegetarianos.com.br/listasaopaulo.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1171188]Your hotel is near Augusta. Take a walk down to the boate Casarao, about 2 blocks past the gas station on the right, best after 11pm. Cost 10R to enter, comes with 2 beers or 1 drink. Plenty of cute garotas, in-house service, tell them you want to pay total, including the room 130R, pay no more than 150R total, easily negotiated.

You'll have fun.[/QUOTE]I was in Sao Paolo and asked a taxi driver to take me to Casarao or Kilt he didn't know either. I am going back in a couple of weeks and staying at the Renaissance. Is this far from the boate Casarao. I was concerned about walking a few blocks. Is is safe at night? Are you still recommending this place and if so do you have the address? I did go to Cafe Photo one night which was outstanding but the whole night including take out cost around $500 which is absolutely crazy. Can't afford that again!

After searching up many sites and going thru some posts, finally I decided to Visit a clinica today.

Its called Ali baba and is on Rua Baltico (close to my office in Brasil ).

But it was very difficult to identify the building since there was no name written outside and just house no.

Unfortunately I had not taken note of the house no and I was wandering outside the house. But I noticed a security camera outside.

And thought this house was not normal and only then the lady manager opened the door and was kissing some mid aged man.

I waited for a while till that man left and knocked the door again. She welcomed and asked me to sit.

She asked something and I could not understand. Then I asked her price and she explained 40 R for 20 mins. 60 R for 30 mins and.

100 R for 1 hour. She said she will present the girls.

First came a lady with nice round ass, but face was so ugly and she had braces for teeth and they looked back.

Second came a lady who was very tall with nice structure but she dint have a smiling face and her looks was not friendly.

Third came sun (I can't get her name but it means sun) she was slim with small titties and great ass, nice blond color body.

Next came nicole, must be a brunette and was on a higher side in weight.

Since I had read reviews about sun, opted for her for 30 mins.

Went up and we both showered together, I absolutely did not understand any porto and she could not understand any english.

We just managed to speak to gestures and touch and tell. WE played with each others body and parts and then came to the room.

She asked me whether I want to have it down or on the sofa, I laid down on the massage bed (Very narrower than single bed).

She sucked me and I said I want to do a 69, Enjoyed it for 5 mins and for the first time in my life I licked a girls ass. She was clean and neat and.

I liked it too. Then she came on my CG style which I cannot allow for moretime since in this position I climax early.

Then I asked for doggie, which was good fun, she was enjoying it and I was loving the view too. Kissed her ass, grabbed her small titties and had fun rubbing her clit during the play.

Then finished in Mish by which time she had come in good mood for her climax too. She wiped my johny clean and we both cleaned ourselves and some fondling in the shower again.

We were talking in general about my visit and office and stuff. Since there was still sometime left she asked me if I liked a massage I said yes and she gave a good massage.

I was very happy at this first experience and she was very friendly and caring towards the customer, finally kissed her good bye and left the place.

Looks : 7/10.

Body : 8/10.

Attitude : 10/10.

Service: 10/10 (BBBJ, DFK. 69, GFE)

WIR : Yes for sure

Sun=Sol. There's also a mexican beer with the same name.

Just ask a driver to take you to Rua Augusta; everybody should know where that is. There is a line of bars including Casarao right along that area if you put Avenida Paulista on your back and walk away from it. If you keep walking straight on Rua Augusta you will notice it changes names to Rua Martin Fontes, once you see this go left and then you should be right there bear Kilt. This should be about a 10 to 15 minute walk if you wish to check it all out, but I suggest taking a peak inside on several of the spots. Lots of choices.

[QUOTE=AtlantaFox;1184705]I was in Sao Paolo and asked a taxi driver to take me to Casarao or Kilt he didn't know either. I am going back in a couple of weeks and staying at the Renaissance. Is this far from the boate Casarao. I was concerned about walking a few blocks. Is is safe at night? Are you still recommending this place and if so do you have the address? I did go to Cafe Photo one night which was outstanding but the whole night including take out cost around $500 which is absolutely crazy. Can't afford that again![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1184923]Just ask a driver to take you to Rua Augusta; everybody should know where that is. There is a line of bars including Casarao right along that area if you put Avenida Paulista on your back and walk away from it. If you keep walking straight on Rua Augusta you will notice it changes names to Rua Martin Fontes, once you see this go left and then you should be right there bear Kilt. This should be about a 10 to 15 minute walk if you wish to check it all out, but I suggest taking a peak inside on several of the spots. Lots of choices.[/QUOTE]OK. Yes, it's safe at night, just don't dress like a pimp with gold chains or watches. No problem.

No taxi needed from your hotel Rensnce.

Walk out the front of the Rensnce Hotel. Make a right. Your first street you come to will be Augusta. Go left and it will take you one block to Paulista (big street). Cross Paulista, continue on Augusta. About 5 blocks down you will see a gas station. A block past the gas station is where the girly bars start. Go to Casarao. It's accross from HSBC bank and Hotel Panama.

10R entrance, gets ya 2 beers or 1 drink. Hot girls. Tell them you'll pay 120R plus the room of 20R. Plenty will go for it. Avoid the high price, crappy service garotas who ask for ridiculous prices.

I was there last night and met a stunning morena from Santos and she's meeting me outside the place next week when I return to SP.

Have fun!

Hi All Members,

I am going to visit Sao Paulo for a fair this week.

I ll stay in Hotel Novotel Center Norte.

I checked the forum there are some places members suggesting such as:

- KlitShows.

[url]http://www.kiltshows.com.br[/url]

- Redmassage.

- Clinica Allure.

I will be glad if you share your deep knowledge with me. What are your suggestions for hunting?

Also good place to have dinner with a girlfriend?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=GGnull35; 1185092]Hi All Members,

What are your suggestions for hunting?

Also good place to have dinner with a girlfriend?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]1) If you don't speak Portuguese forget it! Your question is too vague. The possible answers depend on too many factors: your age, your style, your income, etc. The best places to meet non-pro are still in Itaim Bibi, Vila Olimpia, Vila Madalena and Pinheiros but if you're unable to mumble any words in Portuguese these advices are useless. A good place to meet non-pro is also on the HH bars near the Avenida Paulista. There you can meet women able to speak English.

2) Be more specific because São Paulo IS the place to dine out. It depends on what you are looking for: churrascaria, Italian, Japanese, etc. It depens also on what you are ready to spend. Do you have a lanchonete (snack-bar) budget or a Fasano, Figueira Rubayat or Ca' the'oro budget? This is what makes Sampa a unique city in the world: here you can find everything from street canteens to restaurants for billionaires.

Any Prive or Clinicas close to this hotel on Paulista Ave?

London Class *

Alameda Jaú.135, Jardins. 01420-000 Sao Paulo

[QUOTE=Killerjoy; 1184746]After searching up many sites and going thru some posts, finally I decided to Visit a clinica today.

Its called Ali baba and is on Rua Baltico (close to my office in Brasil ).

But it was very difficult to identify the building since there was no name written outside and just house no.

Unfortunately I had not taken note of the house no and I was wandering outside the house. But I noticed a security camera outside.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/freeclinics/05092/main.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Big In ATL; 1185323]Any Prive or Clinicas close to this hotel on Paulista Ave?

London Class *

Alameda Jaú.135, Jardins. 01420-000 Sao Paulo[/QUOTE]I reckon you best option is Rua Augusta as explained by Ricker and Voyajer 1 bellow. Rua Augusta is roughly 10 blocks from your hotel on your left hand side. You've got 3 options:

- Taxi.

- Metro (Subway). Get on Brigadeiro Station. Get off MASP Paulista then walk.

- Walk.

[url]http://maps.google.com.br/maps?hl=pt-BR&cp=15&gs_id=3&xhr=t&q=Alameda[/url]+Ja%C3%BA. 135&safe=off&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on. 2, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=575&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1185193]1) If you don't speak Portuguese forget it! Your question is too vague. The possible answers depend on too many factors: your age, your style, your income, etc. The best places to meet non-pro are still in Itaim Bibi, Vila Olimpia, Vila Madalena and Pinheiros but if you're unable to mumble any words in Portuguese these advices are useless. A good place to meet non-pro is also on the HH bars near the Avenida Paulista. There you can meet women able to speak English.

2) Be more specific because São Paulo IS the place to dine out. It depends on what you are looking for: churrascaria, Italian, Japanese, etc. It depens also on what you are ready to spend. Do you have a lanchonete (snack-bar) budget or a Fasano, Figueira Rubayat or Ca' the'oro budget? This is what makes Sampa a unique city in the world: here you can find everything from street canteens to restaurants for billionaires.[/QUOTE]Thank you for reply. I am 30, and 2 friends 35 and 41.

We went to KiltShow so close to Novotel.

Girls are nice, for place ordinary.

For all night I paid 600 real (10pm. 6am) , A-Level, CIM.

So I ll go again.

[QUOTE=GGnull35; 1185494]Thank you for reply. I am 30, and 2 friends 35 and 41.

We went to KiltShow so close to Novotel.

Girls are nice, for place ordinary.

For all night I paid 600 real (10pm. 6am) , A-Level, CIM.

So I ll go again.[/QUOTE]Nossa! 600 Reais! For 8 hours, including sleeping most likey.

Glad you had fun, just know you OVER-paid, by lots.

I sometimes wonder who these guys are, that the girls tell me about, that are paying them those crazy amounts, when I'm helping them with maybe 150R when they come see me, and they're more than happy and return and return, and usually it's for an even longer period of time, or until I need them to leave.

All the power to ya, if you can afford it, that's great.

I'm greatfull that the girls pity me, and allow me to help them with much less rsrsrs

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1185550]Nossa! 600 Reais! For 8 hours, including sleeping most likey.

Glad you had fun, just know you OVER-paid, by lots.

I sometimes wonder who these guys are, that the girls tell me about, that are paying them those crazy amounts, when I'm helping them with maybe 150R when they come see me, and they're more than happy and return and return, and usually it's for an even longer period of time, or until I need them to leave.

All the power to ya, if you can afford it, that's great.

I'm greatfull that the girls pity me, and allow me to help them with much less rsrsrs[/QUOTE]. Frankly friend I spent 2 hours for sleeping. For rest: 4 times I did.

And she accepted Anal, come in mount, facial. Made my fantasies true.

So it was ok for me. I am paying like double in my country to do those.

What is the average rates for 2 hours and long time?

BTW, I think you are god gifted. I would like to pay less to get more.

[QUOTE=GGnull35; 1185665]. Frankly friend I spent 2 hours for sleeping. For rest: 4 times I did.

And she accepted Anal, come in mount, facial. Made my fantasies true.

So it was ok for me. I am paying like double in my country to do those.

What is the average rates for 2 hours and long time?

BTW, I think you are god gifted. I would like to pay less to get more.[/QUOTE]I'm not that gifted, I'm just experienced, know what I'm doing and who to choose.

Guys,

I am just stopping over in Sao Paulo, will stay in Marriot airport hotel.

Anything arround you can recommand?

What about pick up place or home delivery? Any suggestion

Visiting SP from 03 Sept. 12 Sept and staying at Estanplaza Berrini hotel.

Can anyone advise if there are any places nearby? Is this hotel chica friendly?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=CycloneDubai; 1186190]Guys,

I am just stopping over in Sao Paulo, will stay in Marriot airport hotel.

Anything arround you can recommand?

What about pick up place or home delivery? Any suggestion[/QUOTE]Pretty much a deserted area, but if you search on "Marriott" on this forum you might find some infos

Does anyone know if this hotel allows you to bring girls back?

I would also greatly appreciate suggestions about where to go in the area of this hotel to pick up garotas de programa. I speak a little Portuguese. Looking for some girls who want to go multiple rounds and spend the night. Not looking for clockwatchers. I will be there for about 10 days beginning this weekend.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1186737]Pretty much a deserted area, but if you search on "Marriott" on this forum you might find some infos[/QUOTE]There was a "clinica", working girl house in other words, in the small town of Guarulhos where the airport is.

Google it or use the search function of this forum.

[QUOTE=TheBigWiz; 1187215]Does anyone know if this hotel allows you to bring girls back?

I would also greatly appreciate suggestions about where to go in the area of this hotel to pick up garotas de programa. I speak a little Portuguese. Looking for some girls who want to go multiple rounds and spend the night. Not looking for clockwatchers. I will be there for about 10 days beginning this weekend.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You'll be near Rua Augusta. Plenty of options in that area. Check the posts below cause there are lots of useful information in it.

[QUOTE=SkinnyBop;1187544]You'll be near Rua Augusta. Plenty of options in that area. Check the posts below cause there are lots of useful information in it.[/QUOTE]New place near to Shopping Santa Cruz (metro starion Santa Cruz) Rua Loefgreen 932, two blocks walking distance.

Place is ckean, new. 10/12 garotas, reasomable priced R$ 100, 00 / hour.

Good lounge, you can chat w / garota before deciding to take her to the fight.

Beer & soda, first beer free additinal R$ 5, 00.

Attendance from noon till 10 M

Thanks for someone recommending this place. Definitely a must visit when in San Paolo unless you want to blow $600 US+ at Cafe Photo. Don't get there until 11pm as it doesn't open until then. Probably best to go at midnight as girls seemed to be coming (pardon the pun) by the minute. Hundreds of garotas and definitely some hot ones. R$10 to get in, drinks around R$25 each. Pick the lady of your choice and then upstairs for 30 minutes in a room. Going rate seemed to be R$150 plus R$25 for the room. A night to remember and strongly recommend. Honestly there was just too much choice!

[QUOTE=AtlantaFox;1189977]Thanks for someone recommending this place. Definitely a must visit when in San Paolo unless you want to blow $600 US+ at Cafe Photo. Don't get there until 11pm as it doesn't open until then. Probably best to go at midnight as girls seemed to be coming (pardon the pun) by the minute. Hundreds of garotas and definitely some hot ones. R$10 to get in, drinks around R$25 each. Pick the lady of your choice and then upstairs for 30 minutes in a room. Going rate seemed to be R$150 plus R$25 for the room. A night to remember and strongly recommend. Honestly there was just too much choice![/QUOTE]You're welcome. You can definitely find some gems in Casarao.

Great post SG! Hope you are doing well! I'm back in SP and ugh. T he weather is horrible. I think I saw the sun briefly today. Rsrsrs.

Be well fellow hobbyists!

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1176390]Welcome Yapeyu.

Here's a map of your hotel and, by the same token, your district: Moema.

[url]http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=fr&q=Hotel[/url]

%20Park%20Inn%20Radisson%2C%20Ibirapuera&rlz=1R2ADRA_frCA422&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=3211l3211l0l4347l1l1l0l0l0l0l212l212l2-1l1&bav=on. 2, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=615&wrapid=tlif131064605159811&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl.

You hotel is located on the Avenida Ibirapuera and your close to everything.

TRANSPORTATION.

1a) If you want to go downtown you can either take a bus on the avenida Ibirapuera on the huge "parada" which is located in front of Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida (where there is a big white church). Take busses where it is written Praça the Sé and you will be dowtown, in the historic hub of the city, in a few minutes (when it's not the rush hours!).

1b) If you want to take the metro go to the corner of Ibirapuera and Lavandisca (just besides Praça das Pombos). The bus will take you to Santa Cruz metro station. This is the blue line: if you want to go downton take the direction towards Tucuruvi (North part of the Town).

1c) You can also take a bus on the corner of Ibirapuera and Rouxinol. The bus goes to the Ana Rosa metro station (ibid: blue line direction Tucuruvi).

1d) If you want to take a taxi there are many paradas in the district. (I am aware that there is one on the corner of Jamaris and Ibirapuera, nera the Mercure hotel). You can also ask a clerk at your hotel to call a taxi for you.

HOBBYING.

2a) If you take a look on the map, you'll notice that besides the Praça Nossa Senhora Aparecida there's the Avenida Moema. Walk up to number 841 (it is on the north side of the street). This is a very quiet bairro with luxurious condos. Don't be afraid to walk on that street (or in Moema). According to me, Red Massagen is actually one of the best spot in São Paulo.

[url]http://www.redmassagem.com.br/site/[/url]

The manager, Erica is a gem. My suggestions: Mel (a garota with a very light complexion. She's of Ukranian / Polish descent. Black hair and blue eyes) or Monica (a tall brunette with a nice pair of rack. Her service is A-1!)

R$90 for 1/2h.

R$150 for 1h.

(There are promotions for the GP Guia foristas but that doesn't apply to you or most of the reader of this thread).

2b) If you are a little bit adventurous, there is a privê on Eucaliptos (just in front of the Ibirapuera Shopping Center). It's on located at 657 Avenida dos Eucaliptos. The "plantel" (staff) is less interesting than Red Massagem (basically this is the main difference between a CLínica (Red Massagem) and a privê (Eucaliptos). The main advantage of Eucaliptos is the following one: it's open almost all day long (it closes at 06am).

R$60 for 1/2h.

R$120 for 1h.

Not the best option, but for a quickie it's okay.

2c) Not too far from your hotel there's a nice privê near the Santa Cruz metro station. It's a new privê and the manager is Bebel. (You can either take a taxi or a bus to go there: See 1b.

It's called Fanysex:

[url]http://www.fanisex.com.br/#[/url]

934 Rua Loefgreen in Vila Mariana.

R$60 1/2.

R$100 1h.

Sometimes there are gems working there.

2d) Take a cab or a bus (see 1c) and visit the Red Way. This is a privê near the Ana Rosa metro station.

It's located at 449 Rua Machado de Assis.

[url]http://www.redway.com.br/[/url]

2e) There are several swing clubs near your hotel. If you need info PM me.

NON-PRO.

3a) There's a fine bar where you can pick up non-pros especially between 05 and 08pm (happy hours).

It's called Estalagem and it's located on the corner of Avenida Moema and Irãe (see the map).

3b) Shopping Ibirapuera is also a good place to mett non-pro (I'm damn serious!)

EATING OUT.

Go an Lavandisca there are an array of restraurants and bars. Moema is on of the best place to dine out.[/QUOTE]

What is a reasonable rate for PSE for this establishment?

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1175156]I have something for you. Your hotel- quite a good one by the way. Is very close to the Morumbi Shopping Center. From your hotel. Which is located on Avenida das Naçoes Unidas- walk against the traffic (which is one way or a contra mão going north) I. E. Go south untill the Morumbi Shopping Center (you cannot miss it). At the shopping center take Avenida Roque Petroni untill you reach Rua Chafik Maluf. On that street there is a privê which is good:

Espaço Morumbi 101 Rua Chafic Maluf.

Phone: (11) 5041-5128.

(Most garotas are 7/10 but sometimes there are 8/10 or 8. 5/10. 9/10.) If you want a PSE experience try Jasmine. Unforgettable. A mulatta clara with 19 tattoes.

I can also suggest a good churrascaria with a good selection of different dishes (pasta, fish, salads, desserts). On the same street: Avenida Roque Petroni. It's called churrascaria Morumbi:

[url]http://www.morumbigrill.com.br/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moistureman;1192504]What is a reasonable rate for PSE for this establishment?[/QUOTE]It's a flat rate: R$110 for an hour. Not all garotas offer PSE services but most of them do. It has nothing to do with the insane Termas prices in Rio. No entrance fees, clean rooms, a larger variety of garotas. São Paulo rocks, Rio sucks.

Hey SG: Of course, everybody has their preferences. I enjoy both Sao Paulo & Rio. The Termas pricing is insane but it also provides a party atmosphere in which if you don't want to session you can just hang out, drink and occasionally make out with the girls. At prives & clinicas even at customer friendly Redway, there is not much of this that can happen.

I have been in Rio for 10 nights already and have yet needed to step into a terma. I have had my needs well taken care of at an average cost of 80R per hour per girl. I miss the party atmosphere but I can't justify the cost at the current exchange rate. (1. 60R to $1. 00)

I agree that USD 600 at Cafe Photo are expensive.
However, even about R 200 for only 30 minutes at Casarao are expensive IMHO.
You may pay same amount of money enjoying a GdP for 90 or 120 minutes in the comfort of your room or in the girl's place.

[QUOTE=AtlantaFox;1189977]Thanks for someone recommending this place. Definitely a must visit when in San Paolo unless you want to blow $600 US+ at Cafe Photo. Don't get there until 11pm as it doesn't open until then. Probably best to go at midnight as girls seemed to be coming (pardon the pun) by the minute. Hundreds of garotas and definitely some hot ones. R$10 to get in, drinks around R$25 each. Pick the lady of your choice and then upstairs for 30 minutes in a room. Going rate seemed to be R$150 plus R$25 for the room. A night to remember and strongly recommend. Honestly there was just too much choice![/QUOTE]

Hello, there, fellas!

I went to Sao Paulo on business and decided to stay for the weekend. The city is certainly the most sofisticated in the country. The best restaurants, the best night and cultural life, the best services as a whole. But the most expensive as well. I decided to call one Mclass garota de programa. Mclass has model-style w, usually more expensive than the average (certainly more expensive than in Rio) , but very professional as well. I hired alice (see photos below, showing face, as I think it should be). Full tits, tight p. She certainly looks much older personally that in the photoshoped website pic. The cost was R$ 300.

Enjoy and UPLOAD photos, friends! Sao Paulo has the best putaria in Brazil!

[QUOTE=Fabio27; 1193229]Hello, there, fellas!

I went to Sao Paulo on business and decided to stay for the weekend. The city is certainly the most sofisticated in the country. The best restaurants, the best night and cultural life, the best services as a whole. But the most expensive as well. I decided to call one Mclass garota de programa. Mclass has model-style w, usually more expensive than the average (certainly more expensive than in Rio) , but very professional as well. I hired alice (see photos below, showing face, as I think it should be). Full tits, tight p. She certainly looks much older personally that in the photoshoped website pic. The cost was R$ 300.

Enjoy and UPLOAD photos, friends! Sao Paulo has the best putaria in Brazil![/QUOTE]Yikes! Thanks for the post and foto, but 300R for that menina? Nossa!

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1193212]I agree that USD 600 at Cafe Photo are expensive.

However, even about R 200 for only 30 minutes at Casarao are expensive IMHO.

You may pay same amount of money enjoying a GdP for 90 or 120 minutes in the comfort of your room or in the girl's place.[/QUOTE]With just a little gift of the gab you can easily have fun for 140-150R total at Casarao.

I definitely agree though, it's much nicer once you can make arrangements to meet outside.

This is a very good example on how disappointing could be when a girl you have selected thru a website arrives.

[QUOTE=Fabio27; 1193229].

She certainly looks much older personally that in the photoshoped website pic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fabio27;1193229]Hello, there, fellas! I hired alice (see photos below, showing face, as I think it should be). Full tits, tight p. She certainly looks much older personally that in the photoshoped website pic. The cost was R$ 300.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute (no flaming) : is this the same girl (as she is)? That's a superwork of photoshop!

I hope that she was good at her job as I would have been seriously disappointed to see what is visible as a reality compared to the web photo.
One seems the mother of the other.

I had once a girl from M-class: there was indeed some difference between her picture and her real image, but was minor and acceptable (let's say some 10% difference)

This has nothing to do with the quality of the girl you got, we have paid more for less visual quality! LOL, but to the fact there is a sort of cheating.

I am surprised M-class goes so far.

Had 3 GdP's in one go last year, and their appearance matched: 100%on one. 90% on the second and 85/90% on the third, compared to the pictures of their own blogs.

More than acceptable.