American Politics

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2438881]I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation.[/QUOTE]Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.

Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.

This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.

As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2438881]I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation. Testing is a political football in America. Why do we hear so much about testing in American media? I believe it is because American media are more politically polarized and motivated than ever before. If you doubt that, spend an hour or two watching any of the cable news programs (you can get them on the Internet) that depend on advertising revenue and ratings. Fox, cnn, msnbc. Then spend an hour or two watching any rest of world news outlet or the cable news channels that don't depend on advertising (BBC, PBS). The difference is very striking. The ratings and advertising dependent outlets will say most anything to keep the audiences they've cultivated. More than anything else, that means 24/7 Trump.[/QUOTE]So then Why is the chosen one on TV now bragging about how many kits are being made and how many people are being tested? You spoke too soon and without asking the chosen one what he thinks about testing today and not yesterday.

On another post, his handpicked FAA chairman was a former Boeing exec and Trump did not ground planes until the rest of the world had already done so. He didn't feel it was needed just like test kits and ventilators.

We are all going to get up one morning soon and this flu will be gone said the chosen one. Now it's a different story and so it will be again tomorrow.

I got a little lost. I think you are saying big government was going to cause people to die in 737 MAXs before Trump prevented it and there hasn't been enough testing in the US because Trump hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2438947]Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.
Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.

This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.

As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2438730]Hey Turd, figures you were a Trump fan, explains a lot! I usually don't respond to posts like yours, but what you said was completely wrong, and potentially dangerous if anyone actually reads it and believes you. .......[/QUOTE]Be nice, he didn't get the memo. The Dork from New York has now switched and said he knew that it was a pandemic all along.

I really wonder how people can believe one thing that the Orange One says one day and then believe the exact opposite thing the next day while denying that there was a change.

I can understand changing your mind when convinced by facts but to deny what was the truth according to Trump one day later because that idiot cannot remember his lies and keep them straight.

The only good thing that will come from this in the US is that it just might wake people up to what a disaster Trump is, however some polls suggest that he is actually gaining in approval ratings.

How many million Americans dead will it take to wake them up?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438849]
...Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it....
I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me...
.[/QUOTE]Are you on drugs? Trump claims 2 weeks ago, that covid19 is a democratic hoax!. If he acted correctly the situation in USA could be much better now. - but no problem, if he can sign the 1200 USD Checks he will be happy and the God choosen President again! It's not a clown. He is the worst criminal in modern history!

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2439041]Be nice, he didn't get the memo. The Dork from New York has now switched and said he knew that it was a pandemic all along.

I really wonder how people can believe one thing that the Orange One says one day and then believe the exact opposite thing the next day while denying that there was a change.

I can understand changing your mind when convinced by facts but to deny what was the truth according to Trump one day later because that idiot cannot remember his lies and keep them straight.

The only good thing that will come from this in the US is that it just might wake people up to what a disaster Trump is, however some polls suggest that he is actually gaining in approval ratings.

How many million Americans dead will it take to wake them up?[/QUOTE]Be careful KG a few mongers. Some of whom plan to retire to Duma. Love him and won't hear a bad thing said about him regardless of his 16000+ lies and made up claims. Many do believe him KG witness Fox News, GOPs, half the Senate LOL.

A cutie I know in Duma was chatting to me the other day and I asked her about the Turd's comments and she laughed, said WTF! What he talking about.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438849]Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it.

I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me.

And again, either you seem not to have read my post or your geographical knowledge is severely lacking. I said Trump was the first Western leader to implement travel restrictions on China. Russia, Pakistan and Japan are not in the West.

If you want to attack Trump for something of which he is guilty, such as rudeness to his opponents, go right ahead. But when you say things which are simply not true, and then claim your incorrect opinions to be "factual", don't be surprised when people call you out on it.[/QUOTE]Give it a break boys and move it over to somewhere else. This is the ISG Forum for Uganda.

Take your politic's somewhere else.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2439094]Be careful KG a few mongers. Some of whom plan to retire to Duma. Love him and won't hear a bad thing said about him regardless of his 16000+ lies and made up claims. Many do believe him KG witness Fox News, GOPs, half the Senate LOL.
....[/QUOTE]They can keep drinking the orange kool-aid.

I am on another site, more politically orientated and the venom spewed by both sides about Dear Leader Trump is somewhat extreme to say rhe least.

I personally have thought that he was an asshat ever since he was bad mouthing his first wife during the divorce circa 1980 or so, also the first time I ever heard of him, my opinion hasn't changed.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2439218]They can keep drinking the orange kool-aid.

I am on another site, more politically orientated and the venom spewed by both sides about Dear Leader Trump is somewhat extreme to say rhe least.

I personally have thought that he was an asshat ever since he was bad mouthing his first wife during the divorce circa 1980 or so, also the first time I ever heard of him, my opinion hasn't changed.[/QUOTE]You are very lucky that as a Canadian citizen, you won't be required to vote at the US elections in November. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2439223]You are very lucky that as a Canadian citizen, you won't be required to vote at the US elections in November. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I have followed US politics for years, the absurdity of some of your politicians had a great amusement value, now with the Dork from New York in power, he is the greatest threat to the world I have seen in my 64 years and I remember the Cuban Missile crisis in 62. (because it was one of two times I ever saw my dad scared.).

And BTW Americans are not required to vote, in fact they have some of the lowest turn outs of any major democracy, especially in a year without presidential elections.

[URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/21/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/[/URL]

Now can we get back to talking about fucking instead of being fucked by Trump?

Hey KG, why don't you post about getting laid and other related topics instead of making BS comments about another country's President. Do ISG Trump supporters or independents make derogatory comments about your President, your Prime Minister, or the opposition American Left here on the ISG? No, so what the fuck is wrong with you?

Getting real tired of seeing Trump Derangement Syndrome displayed on the ISG by a handful of afflicted BM's. Give it a rest! Go get laid.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2438955]So then Why is the chosen one on TV now bragging about how many kits are being made and how many people are being tested? You spoke too soon and without asking the chosen one what he thinks about testing today and not yesterday.

On another post, his handpicked FAA chairman was a former Boeing exec and Trump did not ground planes until the rest of the world had already done so. He didn't feel it was needed just like test kits and ventilators.

We are all going to get up one morning soon and this flu will be gone said the chosen one. Now it's a different story and so it will be again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2438960]I got a little lost. I think you are saying big government was going to cause people to die in 737 MAXs before Trump prevented it and there hasn't been enough testing in the US because Trump hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet?[/QUOTE]I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?

But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.

And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.

The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number.

Thing is that if you follow not the total cases but the new cases, a pattern emerges. This virus has a predictable course: an explosion in new cases, a plateau, and then an incredibly rapid decline in new cases. That has been the case in the Asian countries that have peaked and on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

Within a two and a half week period, the USA went from a few hundred cases to 20,000 or so new cases every day but in the last five days, we have seen the plateau about 20,000 or so new cases per day. That rapid rise up is not happening anymore. In the last few days, the ventilator talk has been walked back. In the last week, the flattening the curve talk has also been walked by, and you know why? Because the curve HAS flattened.

Here I was being objective about what Trump has done right and wrong. Maybe it was the move to isolation that causes this pattern with the virus, but it might not be. No one knows, but you people with TDS have put all this on Trump. You TDS people have said whatever happens with the virus, it is all Trump's fault.

Well, be careful what you wish for because if this virus turns as quickly as it has in other countries, Trump is going to be take credit for saving hundreds of thousands of lives with his bold moves, and the irony is that the virus taking that turn might not have had shit to do with what the Trump administration did.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2439260]Getting real tired of seeing Trump Derangement Syndrome displayed on the ISG by a handful of afflicted BM's. Give it a rest! Go get laid.[/QUOTE]Trump derangement syndrome is those that cannot see the obvious that Trump is a con man. If you think he has handled this or any other situation competently you are seriously deluded.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439379]I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?

But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.

And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.

The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number..[/QUOTE]I have been a loyal Trump supporter since "The Art of the Deal". But I am changing my mind lately over his induced panic and dishonesty over the Corona scam. He is just like another pol now to me. He lied to the American People when he promised never to do that. It's influenza, get over it.

I meet another foreigner a few weeks ago. We had a friendly discussion agreeing on most things. When I mentioned I was a Trump loyalist, he started shaking like he was having a seizure and refused to talk to me any more. TDS is real, required anti-psychotic medication. Same for the Corona virus psychosis.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439379]I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?

But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.

And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.

The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number..[/QUOTE]I love the TDS talk. Brings a smile to my face. Then it makes me sad to see all the former "don't make this political" commenters fade into the woodwork. It's almost as if, instead of "don't make this political", they meant "don't criticize Trump. ".

I've noticed something locally. About 4 weeks ago, when the local Fox affiliate started posting daily Coronavirus stories on their Facebook page, almost all the comments followed the public statements made by President Trump. It was nothing to worry about, it was all under control, it's not as bad as the flu, it was all blown out of proportion by the media, it was an orchestrated liberal attack on the President, President Trump is doing a great job and is the best President ever. My comments were along the lines of "it's going to get bad. We need to be taking this seriously."

Now the comments have changed, except they still parrot whatever public statements Trump makes. When Trump suggested opening everything up by Easter, that was a great idea, best president ever. When Trump decided to extend the shutdown until April 30, great idea, best president ever. When Trump suggested NYC nurses are stealing masks, it was "they're all thieves, lock them up."

I don't care for Trump. Developed a strong dislike for him way back in '83, and nothing I've seen since has convinced me he's a great guy, great businessman or great leader. I have felt from the beginning that his only firm policy is to pander to his base. Nobody seems to want to discuss it. They just toss out things like "Trump Derangement Syndrome", "Libtard (or Dumbocrat)" and "but what about her emails."

I don't want to see him fail. Every president, regardless of my personal feelings, I want to see succeed. Every president I hope is the best president ever. Every president, no matter how much I may like or dislike them, makes mistakes. The mistakes are less important than how they deal with the mistakes. And with Trump he doesn't deal with mistakes. He just rewrites history. "It's just one person coming in from China" becomes "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

Personal growth requires admitting your mistakes and learning from them. Changing your story every day doesn't help anyone. It demonstrates a greater concern for what we used to call CYA, cover your ass, than fixing the problem.

So, along with Trump Derangement Syndrome, let's throw in Trump Delusion Sickness. Yes, I know acronyms should be unique, but you already fucked that up because TDS stands for Total Dissolved Solids. Besides it works. Anyone calling people out for one TDS is showing signs of the other TDS.

Time will tell us whether or not you're right. I'll continue to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine. " Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: "We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment five and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us. That I can assure you." Trump in a speech in Michigan.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451097]Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine. " Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: "We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment five and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us. That I can assure you." Trump in a speech in Michigan.[/QUOTE]"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" January 24th Tweet from the (umb) Trump.

"We only have five people. Hopefully, everything's going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it's all going to be great. But we're working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn't get out of hand. But it's, you know, it's something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa on Januay 30th.

"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat. " Trump, in his State of the Union address on February 4th.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451437]"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" January 24th Tweet from the (umb) Trump.

"We only have five people. Hopefully, everything's going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it's all going to be great. But we're working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn't get out of hand. But it's, you know, it's something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa on Januay 30th.

"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat. " Trump, in his State of the Union address on February 4th.[/QUOTE]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.

Which one of these is Obamagate? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V9cNKygNEI[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2451590]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.[/QUOTE]There is more to know, but.

I think I agree with you that the key facts you are asserting is the best test to see how the Donald fucked things up royally.

I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on! .

[QUOTE=Crypton;2451744]I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on!.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to read this material.

Then read the other threads and don't read this one.

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"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.

"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.

"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2451590]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.[/QUOTE]Assuming you believe the numbers coming from other countries! Like China's 4. 5 k with a hard and abrupt stop. 😁.

You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump. You better get used to it or you could always move to a country more accommodating to your needs, like Somalia.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451752]"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.

"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.

"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2451590]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.[/QUOTE]Hey, what can I say. America First!

[QUOTE=Crypton;2451744]I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. [/QUOTE]Then why would you clicking on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?

You must be a very 'special' thinking person.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2451798]You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump.[/QUOTE]Well I have just directlyquoted 10 lies told by Donald Trump in Just January and February 2020. Why don't you prove your assertion that Joe Biden is a worse at lying by providing 11 lies of Joe Biden.

Take 3 or 4 months time period instead of just the 60-day period like I was able to compile. Please teach me because I (mistakenly?) believe Donald is the biggest & fattest liar on the planet.

Pretend I'm from Missouri and show me Beavis.

Butthead can even help you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452319]Sorry I don't know about anyone else but that is really a lousy comparison![/QUOTE]I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.

However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.

The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452356]I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.

However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.

The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.[/QUOTE]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.

Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.

When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.

I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452365]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.
..[/QUOTE]The damage from the financial crisis in 2008 was not limited to voluntary investors in the stock markets. In the USA, hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost per month for several months. I assume there were similar mass job losses and business closures in other countries as well. People who paid their mortgages and on time lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity because ten other homes on the block lost 90% of their value and those properties dragged all home values down in the area. There were millions of victims of that disaster who had more than discretionary gambling money on the line.

I think the point was to either get restitution from China, punish them or both because the pandemic started there. I realize one is about death and one is about money. But we're talking about financial restitution and monetary penalties, aren't we? I mean, there is no way to bring back the dead. And I don't think the idea is to kill one Chinese person for every American, European, Thai, etc. person who died from it. So, in that way the call for restitution and punishment, if any, from the country that started the problem is also similar to what could have been done after the 2008 financial crisis. Money.

I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.

But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.

In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.

Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?

You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.

Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).

And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).

We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.

Yet as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).

So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.

As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.

If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.

Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452365]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.

Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.

When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.

I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452508]You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.

Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).

And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).

We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.

Yet on as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).

So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.

As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.

If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.

Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?[/QUOTE]You've forgotten the most damning action China took. Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally. That being said, the US did to react in time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2452513]You've forgotten the most damning action China took.
Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally.
That being said, the US did to react in time.[/QUOTE]Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).

But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".

When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452508]You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.

Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).

And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).

We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.

Yet as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).

So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.

As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.

If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.

Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?[/QUOTE]In the end, I'm not going to subject poster here to convince you or anyone who is the blame, I'm sure I can anyone can and certainty you will find a reason but I start from the beginning as to the origination and how it spread I'm not going to layout stats about countries and last bring in Trump's name. I'm not going to even whitewash the name saying calling it Wuhan.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452422]The damage from the financial crisis in 2008 was not limited to voluntary investors in the stock markets. In the USA, hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost per month for several months. I assume there were similar mass job losses and business closures in other countries as well. People who paid their mortgages and on time lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity because ten other homes on the block lost 90% of their value and those properties dragged all home values down in the area. There were millions of victims of that disaster who had more than discretionary gambling money on the line.

I think the point was to either get restitution from China, punish them or both because the pandemic started there. I realize one is about death and one is about money. But we're talking about financial restitution and monetary penalties, aren't we? I mean, there is no way to bring back the dead. And I don't think the idea is to kill one Chinese person for every American, European, Thai, etc. person who died from it. So, in that way the call for restitution and punishment, if any, from the country that started the problem is also similar to what could have been done after the 2008 financial crisis. Money.[/QUOTE]I think we are in agreement again I would believe it is my writing that is causing the problem. I will address restitution I'm for all of that stuff but the politician that is on the bandwagon now is nothing but talk talking to get support for themselves or their party. Both parties got their head up so far the ass of the Chinese that is all they can do is talk they got no real plan to make them pay nor a real plan to get American companies to leave. Have you heard any of them do some Google search and see the top 10 on the list once you get by KFC? I can guarantee KFC gave up their secret spicies to operate there and grow and grow they did!

This has been going on for 30-40 years you think the USA Is going to say " we aren't going to make good on T-Bills you got " every USA Expert will tell you, No but Hell No. So what is the plan? During the short trade war majority of the views I read was Trump Trump is an idiot the reality the Chinese Leaders have been saying this for some time that Americans don't have the fortitude they are too absorbed with their I-phones, cheap T. V. Electronics, clothes, appliances companies, Chevy all being sold or being made in China. G. E. , Boeing, Tesla, hundreds of top Universities taking large donations from China so the Chinese can create fake documents to send their young spies to these Universities. In the last few years, at least a dozen Chinese caught working in top research centers or being on the payroll of the Chinese. The list is deep and long and that doesn't include donations to all our politicians in some form or another.

The first shot fired was during the World Cup Basketball, but no one seems to notice because it was sports who would have known it was a sign to come! As soon as China Leaders spoke about the Houston GM comments every free speech advocate in the NBA shut down, You hear from LeBron, Harding, Curry, Thompson, any owner any other GM, China told them to shut up and jump and everyone did except Shaq that was a surprise? Any companies then or now complaining and standing up!

Yes, they should be punished, and standing up announcing it so they can get votes isn't going to do it. They want to win got to play the game the same way the Chinese do it " Art of War " look your enemy in the face agree when they turn stab them in the back that is how you deal with China leaders but neither our Congress or Senate is going to do it, has any bill come to the floor even if it did has it passed. Yes it is the perfect time to fix the problem where do we start?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452508]You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested.[/QUOTE]Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452558]Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?[/QUOTE]That depends on whether those other countries had the same access and intel gathering powers of the USA's National Security Council, State Department and Pentagon to rely on getting "different" info on the progress and truth about what was really happening in China early on.

Doubtful any other countries did. Like it or not, fair or not, they generally rely on the USA using its generally agreed upon top powers, money, influence and position as the Leader of the Free World to find out those things, which we did, giving that info to the president, which our intel agencies did, and on him/her doing the right thing with that info, which he didn't. Instead, he ignored what was told to him and chose to repeat and confirm China's lies about it.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452518]Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).

But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".

When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.

You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December when it went out of its way to "arrest" the whistleblowing doctor who took notice of the outbreak. That doctor later contracted the Wuhan virus and died from it over a month ago. Those are the facts. The CCP is the most responsible for this Wuhan virus breaking out around the world.

The CCP does not care how many Chinese people die, because with 1. 5 billion people, a few million is a small price to pay. The CCP is behind this "attack" because it cannot fight a war with the free world with its feeble PLA. War is just no longer feasible with weapons of mass destruction so easy to kill millions in a matter of a few hours. Throw a new pandemic as a weapon to the developed nations who are not prepared for this type of "warfare" and the CCP is happy to destroy the world economy so long as the PRC becomes the big economic power of the world. The Belt and Road strategy is their road map for world domination. Build a soccer stadium that you can pay back and another third world country is in your pocket. Create a few "islands" and take over a strategic ocean resource. There are 88 million members of the CCP enslaving 1. 5 billion people in the PRC. How long will this last?

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452572]The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.[/QUOTE]Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.

How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452572]
You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December [/QUOTE]You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452508]
Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th[/QUOTE]But while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?

Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).

Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.

If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.

Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2452558]Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?[/QUOTE]Thats actually the good way of looking at the problem.

Several countries decided to test early or confine early and had some of the greatest results. This includes countries such as Singapore, New Zealand. But even countries like South Korea or Japan whom were challenged at different phases.

The problem with most western countries is that they chose to treat the illness as a severe flu and decided not to confine people early (nor test that much for some of them) but wait for herd immunity to build itself. Since herd immunity requires 60 or 70% of the population to get the illness for it to work, and since hospital capacities are usually reached when 5 to 10% of the population contracts the virus due to the speed of contamination and the amount of people requiring intensive care (some countries have better capacities than others), the strategy of doing nothing and act as usual didn't work and several countries had to give up and enter some form of confinment / lowering outside contact to release the pressure.

Therefore it shows there were different scenarios withvery different outcomes which could be decided by our governments.

Several other governments have held China accountable for some real issues without using it as a smokescreen for their own actions (or lack of). Why are other leaders from occidental countries able to have a more responsible approach about their own acts?
And regarding the US, its not even a republican or democrate thing, there are great people on both sides, but there is clearly an issue with the current administration. I didn't see any other administration than the Trump administration refusing to be accountable for its own decisions and solely playing "the China card" even making the most stupid claims they were not able to backup in any way in the end. How are we supposed to push the chinese towards a more democratic system when the top level of the US administration, "leader of the free world", is caught lying repetedly including about the most stupid things.

In the end, don't fool yourself, we will be the ones accountable for all these people's acts and its its going to hurt much more than the sanitary crisis which started it.

I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452608]I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.[/QUOTE]I was never a supporter of Trump, but I agree, his policies have been way better than I thought they would be. I would love to see him come than seeing Biden as president. I would change my stance if it's someone else than Biden.

Regarding who to blame, I think Trump fucked up the handling of Corona in states. He just didn't listen to the people around him (or maybe he did). But if someone asks, who do I blame for corona and ruining so many people's life, I will say China without second thought. The way China hid the virus in Wuhan (in late November?) and allowed (intentionally?) It to spread was shameless. Because of it the virus spread worldwide and yes Italy / Iran / usa handled it miserably because of which whole world went into voluntarily in lockdown and ruined the economy. I can pick apart Prime ministers, President, kings of several country and their actions (or lack thereof) and how it costed the lives of people, but the situation which we are going to be in (not from p4 p point of view) couple of months is going to be horrific. And I do blame China for it.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452608]I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.

I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.

I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.[/QUOTE]My friend's 90 year old father, a WWII veteran and life long Democrat, voted for Hillary in 2016. After seeing what President Trump has done for the United States and the economy before the virus, he decided he was going to vote for Trump instead of Biden. Many elderly have no time for BS and think more clearly than the AOCs of the world!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452593]Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.

How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".

You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:

But while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?

Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).

Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.

If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.

Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).[/QUOTE]Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision? Look at the entire world before just focusing in on President Trump. The governments of the entire world were making decisions based on the garbage that the PRC and WHO were handing out in December, January, February, March and April. So blaming Trump is ludicrous. Tell your CCP buddies that the misinformation campaign better be better than what you are peddling.

I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.

Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.

Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2452482]I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.

But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.

In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.

Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?[/QUOTE]Too funny! Using his own words against him LOL!

[QUOTE=RunMann;2452664][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about[/URL]!&p=2452662#post2452662. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452660]I thought political posts were a no go on ISG. Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.

Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.[/QUOTE]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.

As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452658]Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision?[/QUOTE]Weird, I was reading below Trump was a foreign policy genius, and now you are saying he got played like a moron by China.

As much as China tried to hide things from end December to 20th of January, why didn't the Trump administration understand that if China put 50 million people in mandatory lockdown from 22th of January to begining of april and 1. 3 billion people in semi mandatory lockdown from 25th of January to mid / end of February, it was for a reason? why several other asian countries adopted strick measures too?

President's intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html[/URL]

How about the diamond princess? 700 sick people within a few days on the boat and half a dozen dead so pretty much the same death ratio we're seing nowdays. And Trump was still minimizing the situation, refusing to test the american people against covid. Calling the sickness a hoax.

Only a few hundred tests had been done in the US while Italy had done thousands and South Korea tens of thousands.

TESTS (or the decision from the administration NOT TO PERFORM TESTS) that's where the "FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO", to quote you, comes from. He refused to test and therefore didn't find the ten of thousand sicks people already there in america.

How about his support on twitter to people against the lockdown measures states took? How about the "lets get contaminated together parties" that came out of it?
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/23/another-big-coronavirus-miscalculation-by-trump/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452660]I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.

But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle :)

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.[/QUOTE]The right wing has its share of nuts too which is why allowing political talk on a site like this will result in the inevitable conclusion. If you want to talk politics there are many places to go and do so and no one is going to change anyone's mind about politics anyway. We can't even agree on how much to pay a WG. :)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452674]I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.

But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle :)[/QUOTE]If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.

To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS! LEAVE THE ISG ALONE.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452677]If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.

To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS![/QUOTE]I'm all in for practicing it then. Lets see how it goes from this post.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452656]My friend's 90 year old father, a WWII veteran and life long Democrat, voted for Hillary in 2016. After seeing what President Trump has done for the United States and the economy before the virus, he decided he was going to vote for Trump instead of Biden. Many elderly have no time for BS and think more clearly than the AOCs of the world![/QUOTE]Now that we have had several "My friends, family and I will be voting for Trump because of the great job he did before Covid-19!" posts in a row with no left-wing zealot "Vote For Biden!" posts yet that I have noticed, I'd like to ask at least one question.

Does your friend's dad know the 3 years under Trump pre Covid-19 saw tens of thousands fewer USA Jobs created per month than the three years before Trump, that annualized GDP growth saw near zero improvement over what came before despite an additional $2.5+ Trillion added to the deficit to buy some improvement with the one and only economic "stimulus" bill passed pre Covid-19 on December 23, 2017 (the deficit had been in decline previously), that the broad USA Stock market already had one Bear Market Crash, the first one since G. W. Bush was president, just one year after that $2.5+ Trillion deficit-busting economic "stimulus" bill was passed, in December 2018, that the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture sectors were already in Recession requiring economic emergency response Welfare checks to be issued due to the trade war with China among others, again the first such sector Recessions since the recovery began under Obama, and that most of the early blunders regarding our lack of preparedness for the pandemic going all the way back to Trump's first months in office are more than arguably economic stewardship blunders and not just health endangerment blunders?

When you guys say Right Wing and Left Wing I think you guys are talking about hockey or rugby or trying to decide which chicken wing you should eat next. I know absolutely nothing about politics because imo it's the most boring topic I can think of. Maybe I should start talking about needlepoint or crocheting and see how you guys feel.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2452664][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about[/URL]!&p=2452662#post2452662.

Here you go Boi.[/QUOTE]Thanks Run Mann but if other guys are like me we don't scroll all the way down to the Blog Section on a regular basis. The German thread is on the main forum. Maybe Admin2 can move your thread from the Blog section to the Main Forum.

Again, bottom line is none of this is Thailand specific. I come here to read about Thailand, not USA. If I want to read about the USA, I read the National Enquirer! Why don't we just randomly start posting stuff on the East Timor or Tajikstan forums because those Asian countries are in dire need for some ISG posts.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452673]Weird, I was reading below Trump was a foreign policy genius, and now you are saying he got played like a moron by China.

As much as China tried to hide things from end December to 20th of January, why didn't the Trump administration understand that if China put 50 million people in mandatory lockdown from 22th of January to begining of april and 1. 3 billion people in semi mandatory lockdown from 25th of January to mid / end of February, it was for a reason? why several other asian countries adopted strick measures too?

President's intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html[/URL]

How about the diamond princess? 700 sick people within a few days on the boat and half a dozen dead so pretty much the same death ratio we're seing nowdays. And Trump was still minimizing the situation, refusing to test the american people against covid. Calling the sickness a hoax.

Only a few hundred tests had been done in the US while Italy had done thousands and South Korea tens of thousands.

TESTS (or the decision from the administration NOT TO PERFORM TESTS) that's where the "FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO", to quote you, comes from. He refused to test and therefore didn't find the ten of thousand sicks people already there in america.

How about his support on twitter to people against the lockdown measures states took? How about the "lets get contaminated together parties" that came out of it?
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/23/another-big-coronavirus-miscalculation-by-trump/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.

Tests? What does testing do to prevent the transmission of the Wuhan virus? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Infection takes place only by close contact with infected patients. That was proven in Wuhan, NY and Seattle nursing homes, and on cruise ships. Face masks of any kind, 6 feet distancing, and avoiding infected people will keep everyone safe. Once an effective vaccine is developed and mass inoculations of the most vulnerable takes place, this pandemic becomes a footnote in history.

Look at the outbreaks in northern China and Seoul that have been just discovered. Links to lack of social distancing and partying in gay karaoke bars was found to be the source of these outbreaks. The bars were closed in Seoul and northern China is in lockdown. Wait three weeks and those outbreaks will be over. How many people will have died from these outbreaks? Far less than the previous outbreaks in Wuhan and Daegu since the authorities know to handle the situation.

The severe outbreaks in the Northeast US is due to the extremely poor leadership of the Democrats who run those states. Not to be racist, but NY State and NYC both have Italians running their governments and given the Europe's worse outbreak is in Italy, my big suggestion is that no "Fredo" should be an elected leader in the free world! LOL !!! On a serious note, what idiot would order nursing homes to take in Wuhan virus patients? Governor Cuomo. Thousands of elderly nursing home patients died in NY. When asked if this was a bad decision, Cuomo said that the people in the nursing homes who died were old any way and would soon be dead. What school of government taught him that concept? The Nazis at Nuremberg?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452703]
Maybe I should start talking about needlepoint or crocheting and see how you guys feel.
[/QUOTE]Everything now goes in the Thailand General Reports forum so if you want to delve into needlepoint go right ahead. I am interested in AstroPhysics myself, so I think I will start things off by posting "a simplified explanation and brief history of string theory" by Charlie Wood:

As a so-called "Theory of Everything" candidate, string theory aims to address various theoretical conundrums; the most fundamental of which is how gravity works for tiny objects like electrons and photons. General relativity describes gravity as a reaction of large objects, like planets, to curved regions of space, but theoretical physicists think gravity should ultimately behave more like magnetism fridge magnets stick because their particles are swapping photons with fridge particles. Of the four forces in nature, only gravity lacks this description from the perspective of small particles. Theorists can predict what a gravity particle should look like, but when they try to calculate what happens when two "gravitons" smash together, they get an infinite amount of energy packed into a small space a sure sign that the math is missing something.

One possible solution, which theorists borrowed from nuclear physicists in the 1970's, is to get rid of the problematic, point-like graviton particles. Strings, and only strings, can collide and rebound cleanly without implying physically impossible infinities.

"A one-dimensional object that's the thing that really tames the infinities that come up in the calculations," said Marika Taylor, a theoretical physicist at the University of Southampton in England.

String theory turns the page on the standard description of the universe by replacing all matter and force particles with just one element: Tiny vibrating strings that twist and turn in complicated ways that, from our perspective, look like particles. A string of a particular length striking a particular note gains the properties of a photon, and another string folded and vibrating with a different frequency plays the role of a quark, and so on. In addition to taming gravity, the framework proved attractive for its potential to explain so-called fundamental constants like the electron's mass. The next step is to find the right way to describe the folding and movement of strings, theorists hope, and everything else will follow.

But that initial simplicity turned out to come at the cost of unexpected complexity string math didn't work in the familiar four dimensions (three of space and one of time). It needed six additional dimensions (for a total of 10) visible only to the little strings, much as a powerline looks like a 1 D line to birds flying far overhead but a 3 D cylinder to an ant crawling on the wire. Adding to the conundrum, physicists had come up with five conflicting string theories by the mid-1980's. The theory of everything was fractured.

A more fundamental theory emerges.

Over the next decade, scientists exploring the relationships between the five theories began to find unexpected connections, which Edward Witten, a theorist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey, gathered up and presented at a 1995 string theory conference at the University of Southern California. Witten argued that the five string theories each represented an approximation of a more fundamental, 11-dimensional theory in a particular situation, much as how Einstein's space- and time-bending theories of relativity match Newton's description of objects moving at normal speeds.

The novel theory is called M-theory, although to this day no one knows what mathematical form it might take. The "M" is likely inspired by higher-dimensional objects called membranes, Taylor said, but since the theory has no concrete mathematical equations, the "M" remains a placeholder with no official meaning. "It was really a parametrization of our ignorance," Taylor said. "This parent theory that would describe absolutely everything. ".

Attempts to find those general equations that would work in every possible situation made little progress, but the alleged existence of the fundamental theory gave theorists the understanding and confidence needed to develop mathematical techniques for the five versions of string theory and apply them in the right context. Strings are far too small to detect with any conceivable technology, but one early theoretical success was their ability to describe black hole entropy in 1996.

Entropy refers to the number of ways that you can arrange the parts of a system, but without being able to see into the impenetrable depths of a black hole, no one knows what type of particles might lie inside, or what arrangements they can take. And yet, in the early 1970's Stephen Hawking and others showed how to calculate the entropy, suggesting that black holes have some sort of internal structure. Most attempts to describe the black hole's makeup fall short, but tallying the configurations of hypothetical strings does the trick. "String theory has been able to give a spot-on counting," Taylor says, "not just roughly getting it right. ".

The string framework still faces many challenges, however: It produces an impossible number of ways to fold up the extra dimensions that all seem to fit the broad features of the Standard Model of particle physics, with little hope of distinguishing which is the right one. Moreover, all of those models rely on an equivalence between force particles and matter particles called supersymmetry that, like the extra dimensions, we don't observe in our world. The models also don't seem to describe an expanding universe.

A number of physicists, such as Peter Woit of Columbia University, view these divergences from reality as fatal flaws. "The basic problem with string theory unification research is not that progress has been slow over the past 30 years," he wrote on his blog, "but that it has been negative, with everything learned showing more clearly why the idea doesn't work. ".

Taylor, however, maintains that today's models are overly simplistic, and that features like cosmological expansion and a lack of supersymmetry may someday be built into future versions. Taylor expects that, while the new era of gravitational wave astronomy may bring new tidbits of information about quantum gravity, more progress will be made by continuing to follow the math deeper into string theory. "I have a theoretical bias," she said, "but I think the kind of breakthrough I'm describing would come from a chalkboard; from thought. ".

Modern string theory connects mathematical dots.

Regardless of how string theory's Theory of Everything candidacy evolves, its legacy as a productive research program may be assured on mathematical merit alone.

"It can't be a dead end in the sense of what we've learned just from mathematics itself," Taylor said. "If you told me tomorrow that the universe absolutely isn't supersymmetric and doesn't have 10 (spatial) dimensions, we've still connected whole branches of mathematics. ".

When Witten and others showed that the five string theories were shadows of a single parent theory, they highlighted connections called dualities, which have proven to be a major contribution to mathematics and physics.

A duality is an abstract, mathematical relationship between two situations that look different, but can be translated from one to the other. Consider, for example, a bird hologram on a credit card. Is it 2 D or 3 D? In a physical sense the sticker is flat, but in a visual sense the image has depth. Both descriptions agree that the hologram contains a bird.

Physicists have used analogous dualities to bridge seemingly unrelated branches of math, such as geometry and number theory. Each operates as a separate language, but dualities let mathematicians translate from one to the other, attacking problems untenable in one framework by using calculations done in the other. Other dualities help overcome challenges in quantum computing. "It's not going to make your next generation iPhone," Taylor said, "But it may make your iPhone for the 22nd century. ".

Whether string theory's ability to illuminate the dark web connecting different areas of math turns out to be a sign of its potential, or just a lucky coincidence, remains a subject of debate. Witten, speaking at the Institute for Advanced Study in May, acknowledged that while he no longer feels as confident as he once did that did that string theory will evolve into a complete physical theory, his gut tells him that the theory remains productive field of research.

"To me, it's implausible that humans stumbled by accident on (to) such an incredible structure that sheds so much light on established physical theories, and also on so many different branches of mathematics," he told the audience. "I have confidence that the general enterprise is on the right track, but I don't claim that the argument I've given is scientifically convincing."

My next post will be on M Theory

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.

As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.[/QUOTE]Natty. You seem like a very sensible dude, but you let the bile that is politics on a hooker web site get under your skin? I'm surprised.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.

As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.[/QUOTE]Not taking sides, your opinion is a bit bias even on this site the only thing people are doing is giving their opinion right or wrong that is all it is, the left spins and so does the right read accept it or take it with a grain of salt and hope you have enough sense to make something out of it. Just because it doesn't sit well with your position doesn't mean you should leave walk out of this site isn't going to mean you won't get it outside.

I've had my differences in the past with Jackson I don't think he is around any longer but even then when I did at least I had the opportunity behind the scenes to have a conversation with him, to be honest, whoever is in charge has a better handle now it seems?

I know the website you didn't mention I haven't posted in years and just left for a number of reasons it is informative but years before joining I was told the web owners are biased so are a number of their regular posters against Americans there seem to be a click group who control everything and what I mean control everything is they have a moderator who join into the conversation and if they don't like what is said about their own opinion get warnings, timeouts, and finally banned if you try to even have a simple conversation from their own rules it is their way or the highway. I've heard a number of members say " think their shit don't smell " you take what you need to state your opinion or not and move on " there isn't greener grass " and that includes Websites like these. You walk you lose.

1. Divide the USA and the people even more than it already is.

2. Weaken any of the USA alliances with others.

3. Strengthen the USA's enemies' weaponry and nuclear arsenal.

4. Isolate the USA from the rest of the world.

5. Weaken the USA's economy by weakening any other economies pegged to it.

6. Piss off the biggest creditor of the USA in terms of foreign debt.

7. And perhaps when 1-6 is accomplished, send the country into a war.

Do 1-6 very cunningly, so that it's unsuspecting, just like a wolf in a sheep's clothing. Results speak for themselves, no matter what we do, what the intentions are, what we believe, what we write, or what comes out of our mouths. And if the price of tea in China does matter, I'the keep and eye on China and HK and the end of 1 country 2 systems with China's National Security Law. End of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2452723]Natty. You seem like a very sensible dude, but you let the bile that is politics on a hooker web site get under your skin? I'm surprised.[/QUOTE]No doubt ISG has become more of a forum for expression of political views. I guess it's up to admin to decide how far that goes.

What I feel is important is how civil the discourse is. I have always felt where there is a difference of opinion on an issue it should and can be done with respect for the other person's opinion.

We can differ on issues, political, social and otherwise but unfortunately too often usually when one side feels it is losing the argument it sadly becomes heated and personalized.

It shouldn't and doesn't need to.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.

As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.

Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.[/QUOTE]I hope you don't leave Natty. I may not agree with your views on politics but when you are not allowing yourself to be upset with criticisms of the dear leader your posts are no pun intended chatty and entertaining and sometimes informative especially on the Manila scene where I sometimes find myself. Open forums like ISG attract all types from narcissistic navel gazers to online Walter Mitty's to perpetual whiners but mostly just decent heads who want to voice their opinion on their experiences of the P4 P scene here. Over the years I have found using the ignore button helps a lot in not allowing oneself to get annoyed at what's on screen. Hope things get back to some semblance of normality when or if you manage to get back later in the year. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452708]If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.

Tests? What does testing do to prevent the transmission of the Wuhan virus? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Infection takes place only by close contact with infected patients.[/QUOTE]Testing helps us to identify spreaders of the COVID-19 who are asymptomatic or experiencing minor symptoms. Otherwise these folks would have no other way to know that they need to take additional steps to prevent giving the virus to other people, like their friends and relatives.

Please let us know what sources you use to get your information from, so that we can get a good laugh.

I will suggest a good source for you to learn something, and be entertained.

Go watch the 50-minute interview that Joe Biden gave to Stephen Colbert on his late show May 21st (that ran past midnight into the 22nd of May).

Joe Biden tends to stays away from 5-syllable words like "asymptomatic", [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2452703]
Thanks Run Mann but if other guys are like me we don't scroll all the way down to the Blog Section on a regular basis. The German thread is on the main forum. Maybe Admin2 can move your thread from the Blog section to the Main Forum.
[/QUOTE]Well the Thread is there and if you use it, others may follow your lead. Its ok to lament over its position but try contributing to it, you may effect the change you wanted.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2452708]If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.
[/QUOTE]My name is Stewie Griffin and I must confess. I hate Trump so much that I travelled back in time 150 years in my time traveling machine to create a newspaper with the only goal of discrediting DonaldTrump back in 2019. And you guessed. That newspaper is the New York Times.

In any case guys, I want to thank you. Really.

When I look at my country and see the huge mess the Government has made managing this crisis I think "we are the dumbest in the galaxy".

But then I just need to take a look at the good old USA. And I feel smarter. Not by much to be honest, but a little. The whole thing with the face masks is even better than the one the spanish Health minister has organized. And that was a tough one.

I never thought I would say this. But long live the Vietnamese Communist party (0 deaths and a nice border with China).

If people were not dying this would be so laughable.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. [/QUOTE] I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2452672]Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. [/QUOTE]The problem is that left wing and right wing posters often have a different view on what the real facts are.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2453019]To keep people from hanging outside in groups on those mats drinking and eating and spreading corona.[/QUOTE]Do some people only see one side of life? I'm sure if there wasn't a curfew 3rd road the local clubs would be packed to the rim since business don't get going until 10 pm and that doesn't include all the Thai clubs further up 3rd road towards Pattaya Nua and then you got Naklau even more local clubs that cater to the underage if a Thai need to find their son a first place to look is head there.

Darkside, BBQ Jim June places packed to the rim no social distance anywhere to be seen it is like the wild west slowly opening they must not have gotten the word because it seem they are already on the 4th stage?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2453059]I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to know the breakdown of ISG members between right wing or left wing, conservative or liberal, Pro Trump or Anti Trump. From those expressing views I feel it's pretty much an even split but with the edge given to the conservatives when it comes to feelings of righteousness.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2453059]I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.[/QUOTE]I don't consider myself to be far left or far right. I can't stand either side really. I would say that I'm mostly left of center, but still so close to the center as not to be anywhere near a "leftist". I tend to feel most comfortable with left leaning candidates around the center, followed by right leaning around the center.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2453741]True, that is what it is called at the beginning in politics after the relationship it turns into an Entitlement it is the same if you take the same girl more than once![/QUOTE]There is a school of thought that it is because US super power status is being challenged. It is how a treaty or law works, and it often has unintended consequences. One of it is that China is still classified as developing nation so it takes advantage of the status. This probably will all be fine if they don't challenge US technologically and militarily. Of example is quantum satellite and similar event has happen before. Russian is the first to send satellite to space and you can read about it on NASA web site to see how US react.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2453810]....
I have no problem with someone else becoming the leader of the world other than the USA In spite of America not being perfect do their share of nation-building but this has been going on long before there was any America. In today's world I still would like them to lead if any of you want China or Russian I say knock yourself out!
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[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. I always thought this thread was for guys with needy dicks in search of hot chicks, who want to cash in on their good looks and their willingness to do it with guys.

But I suppose, politics plays a role in the kind of sexual freedom Pattaya has. Governments in most places don't allow consenting women and men nearly as much sexual freedom as the Thai government allows.

And this is my problem with so-called leadership by USA or any other country. This leadership usually turns into imperialism and international despotism. The leader country tells everybody and every country what to do, or else. And this often affects the sexual freedom of people as well. Because the leader country imposes its moral standards and hypocrisies on everybody else, under the threat of various sanctions and penalties.

US leadership hasn't yet led to restrictions on sexual freedom in Thailand. But the risk for this is always there, as long as USA remains the leader. Because the US government has been sanctioning various countries for many different issues. It might be only a matter of time before some newly elected US government decides to start sanctioning and punishing Thailand for its sexual freedom.

I'd rather have diversity in the world, where various countries and jurisdictions are free to arrange their laws and freedoms the way they like. Because this way you can leave tyranny and go to a place where you can be free.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2453827]I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. I always thought this thread was for guys with needy dicks in search of hot chicks, who want to cash in on their good looks and their willingness to do it with guys.

But I suppose, politics plays a role in the kind of sexual freedom Pattaya has. Governments in most places don't allow consenting women and men nearly as much sexual freedom as the Thai government allows.

And this is my problem with so-called leadership by USA or any other country. This leadership usually turns into imperialism and international despotism. The leader country tells everybody and every country what to do, or else. And this often affects the sexual freedom of people as well. Because the leader country imposes its moral standards and hypocrisies on everybody else, under the threat of various sanctions and penalties.

US leadership hasn't yet led to restrictions on sexual freedom in Thailand. But the risk for this is always there, as long as USA remains the leader. Because the US government has been sanctioning various countries for many different issues. It might be only a matter of time before some newly elected US government decides to start sanctioning and punishing Thailand for its sexual freedom.

I'd rather have diversity in the world, where various countries and jurisdictions are free to arrange their laws and freedoms the way they like. Because this way you can leave tyranny and go to a place where you can be free.[/QUOTE]Politics usually not but with the Virus not a whole lot of dick and such being talked about reason most likely this has gone on as long as it has. As I noted someone would have noted start a new thread I'm sure you heard that before.

As for diversity in the world, don't hold your breath it will never happen in my lifetime or yours! Freedom is just a word some define it with more some with less but truly free it is overrated just a dream. Everybody needs somebody no man is an island? Politic is here to stay it might be just as old as the profession it is the reason we are getting pussy at all? It depends on how you look at it?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2453846]...As for diversity in the world, don't hold your breath it will never happen in my lifetime or yours! Freedom is just a word some define it with more some with less but truly free it is overrated just a dream. Everybody needs somebody no man is an island? Politic is here to stay it might be just as old as the profession it is the reason we are getting pussy at all? It depends on how you look at it?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why you would say this about diversity in government and politics. Because even now we have enough diversity in the world to have sexual freedom in Thailand and some other places too.

So, I can leave my country where this kind of stuff is prohibited and find my freedom in Thailand, at least temporarily and at least enough to satisfy my need for companionship and sex enough not to feel desperate and depressed about it.

Perhaps the word 'freedom' is too general and too abstract to have much meaning. You need to be more specific what freedom exactly you are talking about. Because even in Thailand, people might have sexual freedoms, but their other freedoms might be restricted.

It all depends on what kind of freedom you need, so that you can go to a place where such freedom exists and experience it.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2453827]I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. [/QUOTE]Unless it's Pattaya specific it should not be in the Pattaya Reports section. At the very least put it in the General Reports or Lounge section. Just looked and there is actually a "Thailand Politics" thread. Maybe we should use that as the political thread. Sorry to sound like Admin but I absolutely hate talking about politics and imo should be discussed on political boards, not a SEX board (unless it's about Bill Clinton).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2453869]Unless it's Pattaya specific it should not be in the Pattaya Reports section. At the very least put it in the General Reports or Lounge section. Just looked and there is actually a "Thailand Politics" thread. Maybe we should use that as the political thread. Sorry to sound like Admin but I absolutely hate talking about politics and imo should be discussed on political boards, not a SEX board (unless it's about Bill Clinton).[/QUOTE]With the state of my blue balls politics is beginning to sound very sexy.

Remember the show 'Family Ties' in which Michael J. Fox was an ultra Republican Nixon supporter. He subscribed to a politics magazine and in one episode he received an issue of that magazine in the mail which had a centerfold of Nixon, the photo was not shown on the screen but Michael's lustful expression looking at it was shown. Are there some Trumpites who would do the same now?

Now back to sex with those hot Walking Street girls.

Oh Fuck it, I'll join in the politics stuff and this will become a politics thread. No more Pattaya info.

So why is Trump such a conceited dickhead? Is he right in reopening America? Not sure if he's a left winger or a right winger? Why doesn't he just play Center?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2454024]Opening America now is a clever Trump economic decision. Everybody will get COVID-19, the young working people will do fine, the old retired people will die. Social security quickly becomes solvent because nobody collects retirement. Trump is rushing, he can't let a vaccine save us old farts first![/QUOTE]USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong <-- Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression.

So, is this the thread where we can point out that (as of today) the Dow has only logged an average annual gain of about 7.9% since Trump became president 3 1/2 years ago and only about a 0.6% average annual gain since he passed his first economic "stimulus" legislation on December 23, 2017?

Cool.

I didn't even notice there was a thread like this here.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2453087]...conservatives when it comes to feelings of righteousness.[/QUOTE]I think you mean feelings of personal aggrievment.

There has never been a louder war cry from conservatives than there currently is against Trump. The conservative Wall Street Journal seems to have had enough and several on Fox News and other conservatives are now openly taking Trump to task on a number of issues. Trump complains about the media all the time so to get the press he wants it may be time for him to start Trump TV.

[URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/wsj-editorial-time-is-running-out-for-trump-without-transparency[/URL]

[URL]https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/wsj-slams-trump-for-hurting-the-country-by-debasing-the-presidency-ugly-even-for-him/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-wasted-briefings-11586389028[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-how-trump-haunts-the-dead-20200526-o453ynqe6zcbhdb53tu5xncq7y-story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2454131]I think you mean feelings of personal aggrievment.[/QUOTE]Liberal contrarians are threatening to off those of the opposing political spectrum. The civil authorities will match their "hunting rifles" with body armor, tanks and drones. Revolutionaries before were burned out (Nazi bank robber on Whidbey Island, Washington state) Simbionese Liberation Army / Patty Hearst's kidnappers. Messiah David Koresh. M. O. V. E. In Philadelphia.

Meanwhile a Fat Nixon and Steve Munchkin and the boy wonder son in law are looting the treasury. Those who choose to crowd together can have Liberty & Death. No need to choose. Poor me. I can't get a tattoo and my wife can't gets her roots done. I wish they could meet someone whose relative was pushed out of a helicopter in Chile by military personnel trained at Fort Benning Georgia. The dominoes surrounding them now are tiny germs that will destroy their lungs. Party on. Mission accomplished.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2454166]Trump complains about the media all the time so to get the press he wants it may be time for him to start Trump TV.[/QUOTE]Would be best that he didn't since, given past business performance (failures and bankruptcies) it's likely to go belly up. Let me see that thong? No, let me see them taxes! LOL!

This Covid thing in the USA would be playing out just about the same regardless of who was the Figurehead-in-Chief.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2454177]Would be best that he didn't since, given past business performance (failures and bankruptcies) it's likely to go belly up. Let me see that thong? No, let me see them taxes! LOL![/QUOTE]The primary purpose would be to give the press he wants but given the large far right following in the USA Coupled with so many people who enjoy drama TV, it could work as a money making venture.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454064]USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong <-- Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression.[/QUOTE]The following is a message from an infectious disease physician. I think it expresses the sentiments of all of us physicians at this time:

This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here's the deal: it's real and it's here and it's still spreading.

As a healthcare worker, I'm exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it's been one of the longest, most stressful things I've tackled.

First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you're not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor's or whatever level of government's handling of things, it's not constructive.

Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it's serious. And we're serious people when it comes to people's health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don't know why. I'm so tired of people acting like there's information that's being cooked up or withheld. You know why there's lots of gaps in the information? Because we're still learning about this virus every day. It's new. It's never been seen. How it acts, how it spreads, why it does the things it does is all new and we're learning on the fly. Stop mistaking genuine lack of information for misinformation or withheld information.

The numbers: this one sticks in my craw like no other. "I heard they didn't die from COVID-19, they died from a heart attack but they were positive so they called it COVID-19 to boost the numbers and scare people. " Stop. It. You know how many people died specifically from AIDS? Zero. AIDS patients die from pneumonia or some other illness normal, healthy people fight off because the AIDS virus destroyed their immune system and they couldn't fight off the infection. But at the heart of it, they died because of AIDS. The coronavirus attacks the respiratory system. The respiratory system is, in case you didn't know, pretty important to sustaining life. It also has a huge impact on how other organ systems, like the heart, work. Guess what, when your lungs don't work because they've basically filled with brick mortar because the virus is attacking them, that puts a bit of a strain on your ticker and very well can cause it to fail. So unless you have a basic understanding of or want to understand how interconnected organ systems are and how the body fundamentally functions: stop.

I think I can speak for a lot of medical professionals when I say, we don't mean to be arrogant, we don't mean to be jerks, but damn it, this bullshit is frustrating and yes, we're going to clap back to ignorance. Ignorance is not something to be flaunted and there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is being uninformed. Stop being willfully ignorant and even reveling in it because it doesn't fit your preconceived narrative or opinion. Even worse, stop pretending you're not ignorant because you watched some damn YouTube video or read some op-ed piece. That's someone's opinion, normally based on nothing. NOTHING. No research. That's not information. That's not factual. That's not based in science. It's click-bait with the sole intention of riling you up and getting you to let your guard down. And instead of being pissed at the virus that's causing all this, it's to direct your anger at the government or doctors or anywhere else their agenda wants it directed.

Medical people are fired up for a couple reasons. 1 month ago, we were all heroes and putting our lives on the line because this was dangerous stuff. Well, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we aren't heroic, we're just doing our job. But guess what, we're still doing the same damn thing we were doing a month ago and this crap still hasn't gone away but now we're "just trying to scare people" because "it's really no big deal. " We aren't looking for a pat on the back or even a thank you, we just want you to do what we all need to do to stop this thing and avoid the spread. Listen, if you think that my big fat ass enjoys sweating like a working girl in church in an isolation gown, walking around like Mr Magoo because my glasses are fogged up because of my mask, and wearing goggles that dig into the backs of my ears because I'm "just a sheep," you are mistaken. It's because I don't want this virus and I don't want to take it home to my family and I don't want to infect my co-workers and other patients. We're fired up because we've seen and even performed intubations. We don't intubate for funsies. Outside of the surgical setting, an intubation is basically throwing a Hail Mary to save someone's life. And when the mortality rate once that plastic tube slides between your vocal cords with COVID-19 is 85-89%, yeah, that's terrifying. This virus is dangerous.

Lastly, stop being spoiled children about public health advisories. Stop bitching about wearing a mask when you're in public places. Stop pretending that that is somehow infringing on your rights. Get over yourself. I wish all businesses would grow a pair and refuse service to people who refuse to wear a mask "out of principle. " Police aren't inclined to enforce it and that's fine but, spoiler alert, private businesses have and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Don't tell me it's OK for a bakery to refuse service to a gay couple for a wedding cake on religious grounds but not OK for a convenience store to refuse service because they don't want the outbreak monkey strolling through their place coughing all over other patrons and their staff. Stay outside the 6 ft bubble, wear a damn mask, and wash your hands. It's that easy. Stop pretending they're asking for a kidney. It's as much to protect yourself as it is everyone else. People wonder why we have things like stay-at-home orders and closing of non-essential businesses. It's because of you, *******, you're the problem. It's your lack of ability to exercise common sense and your refusal to follow simple, insanely simple advice that forces the government to exercise it for you. And even then, you still thumb your nose at it in all your ignorant glory. Sorry that you feel like they're infringing on your right to be an irresponsible child.

Look, all I'm saying is I get that it's frustrating and I get that it's irritating, and inconvenient and all the other bad things that it is, but please, continue to take this seriously, continue to do the little things that make a big difference. Stop denying facts, science, and the advice from people who have spent a lifetime doing what they do in the medical and research fields to ultimately make everyone's lives healthier, safer, and better.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2454199]This Covid thing in the USA would be playing out just about the same regardless of who was the Figurehead-in-Chief.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is possible for you to be more wrong about that Golfinho.

I am certain that President Barack Obama would have performed much better in dealing with this viral outbreak (definitely at the beginning). Barack probably would have saved the world if he was still in power.

Obama certainly could have prevented our upcoming "Trump Economic Depression".

Look at this 88 second clip of President Barack Obama from December 2014:

From the snopes website:

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/[/URL]

Also from the snopes website:

President Barack Obama visited the NIH campus on Dec. 2 to see firsthand the progress that biomedical research is making against Ebola virus disease.

The President toured the NIH Vaccine Research Center and met with scientists who are working hard to develop ways to combat this deadly virus that continues to devastate West Africa. And, in a speech before a packed auditorium at the NIH Clinical Center, the President praised the contributions of NIH staff. He also emphasized the need for emergency Congressional authorization of resources to ensure that the nation's research and public health efforts against Ebola will lead as quickly as possible to an end to this devastating outbreak.

Obama stressed the importance of investing in research for the long term. "If and when a new strain of flu, like the Spanish flu, crops up five years from now or a decade from now, we've made the investment and we're further along to be able to catch it," he said. "It is a smart investment for us to make. It's not just insurance; it is knowing that down the road we're going to continue to have problems like this particularly in a globalized world where you move from one side of the world to the other in a day. ".

A full transcript of Obama's address at the NIH can be viewed here (no link), while the portion excerpted in the video clip seen above read as follows:

President Barack Obama on 12/2/2014: "We can't say we're lucky with Ebola because obviously it's having a devastating effect in West Africa, but it is not airborne in its transmission.

There may and likely will come a time in which we have both an airborne disease that is deadly. And in order for us to deal with that effectively, we have to put in place an infrastructure not just here at home, but globally that allows us to see it quickly, isolate it quickly, respond to it quickly. And it also requires us to continue the same path of basic research that is being done here at NIH that (Dr.) Nancy (Sullivan) is a great example of. So that if and when a new strain of flu, like the Spanish flu, crops up five years from now or a decade from now, we've made the investment and we're further along to be able to catch it. It is a smart investment for us to make. It's not just insurance; it is knowing that down the road we're going to continue to have problems like this particularly in a globalized world where you move from one side of the world to the other in a day."

Our Congress did not pass legislation, and did not provide the $2 billion President Obama was pushing for over 5 years ago.

So we didn't have our people on the ground when this break-out was hitting Wuhan in Hubei province during November or December. Instead we relied on what we were told by the WHO and Chinese Government.

But certainly if we had President Obama at the helm of our ship of state.

He would not have sat on his hands and done nothing in the entire month of February other than repeatedly say that the virus was a hoax.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454368]I don't think it is possible for you to be more wrong about that Golfinho.[/QUOTE]It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2454416]It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

There is a reason why some countries, like Germany, South Korea & New Zealand have things well under control, with much smaller numbers of infected people & virus deaths.

While the virus is running wild in other countries, like Mexico, Brazil, England and the United States.

Good leadership matters and results with better outcomes than in countries with bad leadership, like our country.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454368]Obama certainly could have prevented our upcoming "Trump Economic Depression".

Look at this 88 second clip of President Barack Obama from December 2014:

From the snopes website:

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Oops.

Here is the correct link to the 88 second video:

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-pandemic-preparedness-2014/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2454416]It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.[/QUOTE]In the face of Trump's years long dismantling of America's Pandemic Response teams and systems (because Obama supported and helped to build and establish them, of course), Joe Biden tweeted a warning and prediction about this current disaster back in October 2019!

Biden's tweet in 2019 is what leadership looks like. Trumpers scoffed at it, but he was right.
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2020/05/joe-biden-tweet-october-2019-about[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454368]I am certain that President Barack Obama would have performed much better in dealing with this viral outbreak (definitely at the beginning). Barack probably would have saved the world if he was still in power. and done nothing in the entire month of February other than repeatedly say that the virus was a hoax.[/QUOTE]At the beginning? When was that? We've all been to China — and everywhere else in Asia — where they've been wearing masks for years, years before Obamatime. Viral outbreaks any of which could have escalated to global pandemic and all the Chinese did was strap on masks and keep on churning out their junk while focused on GDP. Look for a root cause to eliminate the next potential outbreak? It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask up and when it's too bad the Party goes heavy-handed.

For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere — pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared. ' Translated that means: you failed to lay in a sufficient supply of masks and your ruling Party didn't run militarized police out to drag the citizenry kicking and screaming into quarantine, while suppressing the scale and scope of the virus and silencing anyone who spoke up.

The only way to prevent the epidemic was to immediately stop flights from China, and quarantine anyone who'the been there. No US administration would have done that. The countries that are being praised for their responses are the countries closest geographically to China. The Koreans know what goes on there, how unhygienic and dirty Chinese are, and knew what to do. The USA was simply inexperienced and naive: 'it can't happen here because it's never happened here mentality.

By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.

[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499857-how-obama-just-endorsed-donald-trump[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2454500]For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared. [/QUOTE]So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause of shortages in masks and disinfectant, and not the Trumpster sitting on his hands and calling the virus a hoax during all of February (even longer).

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2454500]By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.[/QUOTE]If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.

And I don't agree that President Obama's successful help with Ebola was a stunt. Instead I believe it demonstrates how much better the world have been if Barack Obama was the president during the emergence of the Covid-19 epideminc.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2454500]It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask up[/QUOTE]From what I have read, I think that would be a good strategy for the United States and the rest of the world. The Trumpster constantly encourages the opposite, which is just one of many ways he is failing us.

I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2454645][URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499857-how-obama-just-endorsed-donald-trump[/URL][/QUOTE]Nixon looked sinister and his upper lip was sweating. Some say those who only heard the debate on radio thought Nixon had won.

What were the sources of East Coast wealth? Please enlighten me.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454659]If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.[/QUOTE]For some people, no matter what, it's always all about color. This is not the first time from this poster, and it won't be the last.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2454348]The following is a message from an infectious disease physician. I think it expresses the sentiments of all of us physicians at this time:

This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here's the deal: it's real and it's here and it's still spreading.

As a healthcare worker, I'm exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it's been one of the longest, most stressful things I've tackled.

First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you're not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor's or whatever level of government's handling of things, it's not constructive.

Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it's serious. And we're serious people when it comes to people's health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don't know why. I'm so tired of people acting like there's information that's being cooked up or withheld. You know why there's lots of gaps in the information? Because we're still learning about this virus every day. It's new. It's never been seen.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you are getting at, but I merely stated facts. Are these facts wrong? Some people deny the facts because the facts can, and have, change and the people who give you the facts, can also be bias. It has happens all the time and has happened throughout history. But once again, are the facts I reported wrong?

"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."

There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. It works the same as when business owners who file their taxes and look for loopholes. We will take advantage of the system when we can to get paid. We do what we have to do and what we can get away with, if not more. I don't know what type of robotic, let me believe what the authorities tell me, world do you live in. But we are corrupt people, living in a corrupt world, you, me, and the rest of the world. This is how it works in hell. And if you don't believe the world is a "living hell," you have to take off those rose colored glasses, and look around. The USA is rioting, burning, and dying as I type. And Hong Kong as well. Chaos. I am so glad I got stuck in Pattaya to avoid all this drama.

Now as for the mask thing, you can blame your own "give me liberty or give me death thing". By the way, I am American, along with passports of other citizenships including Hong Kong. And I will admit, my people in USA have so much ego, that I often confuse it as ignorance and stupidity. Or are they all in one? If you are wondering how to fix it all, how about more empathy and less ego "by all. " By the way, A week ago, I wrote, watch China and Hong Kong and the USA response during this time of crisis. Was I wrong again? No conspiracy, some just can see more than others and have better insight and intuition. Call it wisdom. But sometimes when we try to share this wisdom, it's like telling a small child there is no Santa. They will kick, cry, and whine because they just can't comprehend the truth, so the rest of us need patience.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454659]I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.[/QUOTE]So I guess I should fix my incorrect math.

Should have written "to me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 200 daily deaths". But with the opening up, that could peak again into the 2,000 daily deaths rates, as we were experiencing in peaks during April. Especially with all the efforts to hide, manipulate or outright lie about the statistical results as we experience them for the rest of the year.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454659]So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause...[/QUOTE]Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.

If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2454811]Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.

If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.[/QUOTE]Trump ignored his medical experts, who possessed the knowledge and experience you have outlined.

I believe that President Obama would not have been so cavalier, since he demonstrated that he was listening to his medical experts, and attempting to give funding where these experts recommended. Republicans shot down that $2 billion bill that President Obama was supporting back in 2014.

I guess you didn't have time to view the 88-second snippet I provided a link to:

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-pandemic-preparedness-2014/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454732]"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."[/QUOTE]Am I misunderstanding what you have written?

Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?

Your "facts" seem to be false facts.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454732]There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. [/QUOTE]Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.

What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2454857]Am I misunderstanding what you have written?

Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?

Your "facts" seem to be false facts.

Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.

What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.[/QUOTE]Of course you are "misunderstanding," why didn't you just Google the numbers? Don't be lazy. Did you not see that I reported USA's service sector 80% of GDP, while HK is higher? Probably in the 90%'s. That would make the HK higher in terms of % of GDP, right amongst major countries or previous major autonomous recognized entities. I'm not a math genius but I'm pretty sure 90% is greater than 80%. I could be wrong. And also didn't I say the USA is #1 in service sector productivity? So that means they are #1 in service sector in terms of revenue. Because you obviously can't compare "largest" by counting number of employees or businesses because population varies from country to country. So really quit trying to get people to argue with you because you are bored and lonely. And if you don't know by know most data reported and history is all biased, then you keep living in whatever lala land reality that makes you happy. But you seem so unhappy. By the way, mix in a review now and then or share some info on girls and sex instead of whining and complaining and arguing all the time. Geez, go look at your own post history. You seem stressed out, go out and have some sex and tell us about it.

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History is going to show me as being incorrect in my assertions (made between 2002 and 2016) that George W. Bush was America's worst President.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2455045]History is going to show me as being incorrect in my assertions (made between 2002 and 2016) that George W. Bush was America's worst President.[/QUOTE]Jimmy Carter was not the worst, but he was pretty bad when you sum it all up, IMHO. But the guy we got now takes the cake.

Regardless of one's political leanings, at this very moment in time, in the eyes of the entire world America is divided and weak!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2455101]Jimmy Carter was not the worst, but he was pretty bad when you sum it all up, IMHO. But the guy we got now takes the cake.[/QUOTE]Carter's average annual jobs creation record is among the best of any president. Better than Reagan's. Well, better than any Republican's actually. But not as good as Clinton's. About on par with LBJ's. Not bad for the president who took over after "our long national nightmare." And he achieved that by only modestly increasing the national debt about as normally as it was ever done post WWII. Unlike Reagan, the next president, who presided over less of an average annual jobs gain while skyrocketing the national debt to do it.

Carter was the only Democrat since the immediate post WWII years that was in office during the creation of a recession. However, it was not your ordinary recession. First of all, it was intentionally induced by Carter's Fed Chairman Paul Volker in order to cool down an over-heated economy that was producing many more jobs than there were applicants to take them, triggering wage inflation. It was not the result of a lousy economic policy. Almost the opposite of that. Volker's mission was to tame inflation, which he accomplished. He did that by raising Fed Funds rates dramatically in late 1979 and into early 1980, which naturally produced the planned controlled recession, establishing a somewhat steady decline in interest rates going forward.

But it almost didn't even qualify as a recession by its classic definition of two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. That second (consecutive) quarter was only down -0.7%, not even one percentage point. So by that second quarter in mid 1980 we were already recovering from that purposely induced mini recession, the shortest one since records have been kept for such things. Possibly, if one more car had been sold at one car dealership in each state during that second consecutive quarter it might not have even qualified as a recession.

By the 4th quarter of 1980, GDP growth had recovered to +7.5%. The following quarter saw +8.5% GDP growth with no change in policy from the Carter years. However, as soon as major policy changes were made under Reagan by late 1981/early 1982, we plunged into what is now the 3rd or 4th worst economic downturn of the past 100 years or so.

Oh, btw, Carter was the president that insisted that Congress change the 401K rules so the rank and file employees of a company could enjoy that rather miraculous tax advantaged retirement investment opportunity rather than allowing it to be the exclusive offering to the top execs in the company. And he cut the Capital Gains Tax by a greater percentage than just about any other president too boot, from 39% to about 28%. Anybody have a fairly secure retirement due to the tax advantaged miracle of their 401K account even though they were not ta top level exec in their company can thank Carter for that. I am one of those people.

Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.

Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455293]Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.

Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?[/QUOTE]Who is Cornel West, and why does he have any legitimacy beyond that of a barking dog? Sorry but these morons taking things to a ridiculous extent. Blacks in america need to look into their own cultural failings too.

Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455293]Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.

Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?[/QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of Cornel West, but I think he got the "Carter got payback" thing right. Then Carter handled the return of the hostages about as well as it could be done, imo. Handling it like a statesman instead of a gunslinger with other people's blood and his appointment of the great Fed Chairman Paul Volker, knowing full well what he would do to tame hyper-inflation triggered by rising wages and how jacking up Fed Funds/Interest rates during an election year would damage him politically was a "no win" situation for him. He could have played all of it the reckless populist way and might have won a second term. But it would not have been better for the country for him to have been so reckless and self-serving.

Carter's big problem as a president was he was a stiff, not fun and entertaining. Reagan was entertaining. I even voted for Reagan in 1980 because he was entertaining. Of course, I was young and dumb. And not paying much attention to things like average job gains, GDP growth rates, budgets, etc. in those days. I thought it didn't matter who was president. LOL. That's dumb.

I also think West takes a cheap shot at Reagan with the actor stuff (if all of that is a quote from West). And in so doing, he misses an opportunity to say something more important about him. The damage Reagan did wasn't because he was suffering from early stage Alzheimer's Disease. It was his policy results, not his mental state. He was perfectly lucid when he promoted and enacted the same favorite failed Republican Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic policies they have been promoting and enacting whenever they get the chance going all the way back to the mid-1920's. And triggering massive economic downturns and dangerously widening the income gap virtually every time they get their way on it.

As a Republican, Reagan would have promoted and enacted that favorite Republican agenda whether he was capable of completing every Einstein calculation by memory or thought his wife was a tree stump.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455297]Who is Cornel West, and why does he have any legitimacy beyond that of a barking dog? Sorry but these morons taking things to a ridiculous extent. Blacks in america need to look into their own cultural failings too.[/QUOTE]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2455282]Oh, btw, Carter was the president that insisted that Congress change the 401K rules so the rank and file employees of a company could enjoy that rather miraculous tax advantaged retirement investment opportunity rather than allowing it to be the exclusive offering to the top execs in the company[/QUOTE]I thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.

I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.

Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.

If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2455320]I thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.

I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.

Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention Carter's foreign policy because I was citing reasons why he could not possibly be the "worst president of all time", which is what people wanting to elevate Reagan's disastrous foreign policy record and even worse economic record had been saying until Obama came along. Then Obama became their new standard of "worst." Every Dem that comes immediately after or before a particularly disastrous Republican presidency record of results is always characterized as "the worst president of all time" by Republicans. FDR was the favorite demon for Republicans for decades. Still is in many ways. In Carter's case, one could argue he came into it after AND before a particularly disastrous presidency that required a ton of excuses and flimsy justifications to elevate or distract from their results.

We can't cite everything in every post or they'll be even longer than they are already. LOL. But I also notice you didn't mention the Camp David Accords that Carter brokered. That was foreign policy, too. A helicopter crashed during a rescue attempt and you cite that as a Carter foreign policy disaster? Really?

The Arab Oil Embargo and subsequent gas lines and skyrocketing prices were already happening by 1973/1974, before Carter was elected.

If you concluded that I meant for Carter to be disassociated from his great Fed Chairman Volker and his methods for taming hyper-inflation, then I really failed to convey my point. I meant to assert that Carter knew exactly what Volker would do to solve that problem, that he went through 2-3 other Fed Chairmen until he got the one he knew would conduct the difficult but necessary solution for it and that Carter expected him to do the right thing to solve the problem DESPITE his full awareness that his doing so during an election year would very likely produce the second term loss you rightly pointed out he got.

I also only said the recession that began during his presidency was the briefest one on record and almost did not even qualify as one by the classic definition, not that it "in fact, wasn't even a recession at all!" So I am glad you got a good chuckle out of something that popped into your mind. But it wasn't from anything you read in my post.

Finally, the fact that he alienated or annoyed both Democrats and Republicans in Congress doesn't disturb me at all. I'm not even sure why that isn't a factor for all the "Bothsiders" out there (and I am definitely not one) to consider him one of the best presidents of all time.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2455333]If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.[/QUOTE]Biden is like Jimmy Carter 2. 0.

The guy is a buffoon and is / was Obama's valet. The white uncle tom. You already know what this guy is going to cater to and do. It is so predictable.
The result will be a lopsidedness in the other direction. More money and taxes will leave the country and you will have more of the same negativity yet no more white knights on dark horses to set you free.

Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.

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Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.[/QUOTE]Like who, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, John Cena, Mark Cuban? The country needs someone who will inspire people to go out and vote and these two out of touch geezers we have running are just not going to do that.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455307]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.[/QUOTE]Racism is a legacy of evolution. It's not going away no how much social engineering seeks to 'accomplish'. Humans will be run by AI before so-called racism disappears. Why not simply try to improve peoples' manners. That's something we could all appreciate.

BTW, having witnessed Cornel West prancing around Princeton for years in his ridiculous costume no doubt believing he's a latter-day W. E. b. Dubois, it is impossible to take the man seriously. What we found really too funny was a letter from West that our premier banker (a man with a sense of humor) had framed and hanging prominently on his office wall. Meant from West as compliment to the bank staff, it began: "In all my years of banking. " What prompted the letter? We were informed that Dr. West kept bouncing checks and expected personal service in balancing his checkbook.

US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.

The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.

As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.

[QUOTE=DCups;2455303]Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).[/QUOTE]Let's get real though. Truth is truth, and Dubbya did his share of FUBAR too. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455307]Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.[/QUOTE]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.

Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.

Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.

Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?

Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.

I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2455406]US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.

The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.

As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2453895]I wished it was that simple. Unless you are an economics guru... SNIP. The world has its eyes on the USA and Sweden right now because of their approach. If they fail, all hell breaks loose. I think you guys know why. It's the domino effect and the result of our interdependence on each other in this world. The Bretton Woods Agreement and the mighty US Dollar. If I was some of these other countries right now, I would send my best and my brightest or as much as possible to help out the USA from failing. SNIP.[/QUOTE]That Brentwood Agreement and US Reserve. We think alike. But I'm still just a kid.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455416]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks. Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?[/QUOTE]Some people have a penchant for asking them. To find out the answer to yours, go here: [URL]https://nmaahc.si.edu/[/URL]. Go early at opening and plan to stay late, because there is an awful lot to see!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455416]Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.

Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.

Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.

Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?

Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.

I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.[/QUOTE]

George Floyd's death was an injustice. Two medical examiners ruled it a homicide. Are you saying that the black community should shut up about this and thus get respect?

"America always wins" No deep rooted flaws in American culture. No sir! "can't we all just get along?

I look at Dcups comments very disrespectful. The problem here is white America thinks we should not be angry, but we can go back years and show how this country has not honored that all men are created equal creed. Let's start with after world War 11 with the GI bill. Where the government for award of service provided low cost mortgage loans to veterans. The problem was black veterans were denied those mortgage loans and look at Long Island it was written that blacks were not allow to buy houses there even with the GI bill. We can talk about reclining that decimated the black community, bit we will. Leave that for another time.

Let's take my family. My father fought in the Korean War in the last black all infantry regiment, who had to fight their way back into South Korea when his regiment was overrun.

By Chinese troops in North Korea with his unit sustaining a 70% casualty rate. He was shot numerous times and some how made it back. You know what his reward was to make sure he got off the sidewalk when a white person was walking on the side walk even in uniform outside Fort Bennin Georgia. Now Dcups will seriously ask why are we angry. How about my mother who was the first black to graduate from her nursing school and was the top her class. I mean no. 1 and she did not get a job right away. The only reason why she got a job was because so many black oldiers were injured coming back from the Vietnam War. If you know anything about that war blacks took the brunt of the casualties early on in that war. But, Dcups thinks we should not be angry. Now when when my parents decided to buy a house outside of Boston a petition was started to prevent them from buying a house. Yes, honest hard working Americans, the one difference they were black. It took my mother going to the Boston Globe and her story being published that it was ordered that the realtor sell her that home. They have never asked to be treated better just the same.

Fast forward, to me I have done very well in life yet I have been pulled over 30 times by police with guns drawn being called the and-word wondering if I will live through the traffic stop in question. Fortunately, my last one I just won a 7 figure settlement because I got arrested driving a nice car and I have the money to hire the best attorneys and caught them in lie when they wrote there police report. No different on the lie they wrote in the George Floyd police report.

Now maybe you understand why I am angry and I come on here and will not tolerate racists comments, but for that the moderator now reads all my comments before I post. The one thing I will always do is keep it real on here. Call me angry, but I have my reasons.

With respect to Trump. I do not know if he will win, but the demographics are changing so it will. Not be long now before change happens. By the way, Georgia and Arizona are polling close, who would ever think that he will need to shore up Texas so do not be confident that he will be reelected. Just look at that black vote it came out pre Obama numbers with Hilary, she would have won PA, MI and Wisconsin. Now, Dcups if you think the black vote is not coming out for this election you will be sadly mistaken. I guess we might be a little angry.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2455452]George Floyd's death was an injustice. Two medical examiners ruled it a homicide. Are you saying that the black community should shut up about this and thus get respect?

"America always wins" No deep rooted flaws in American culture. No sir! "can't we all just get along?[/QUOTE]Who said blacks should shut up? Protest non violently and peacefully. But this vandalism and looting and shit only reinforces stereotypes.

I am also saying the best way to gain the respect of others is to deserve it in the first place. That is how the movements of Gandhi and MlK won people over.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455416]
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.

.[/QUOTE]So who is a somebody in American politics to you? For a nobody (according to you) Cornel West sure gets plenty of invites to political shows and events because they value his opinion. He is a frequent guest on Fox News and was actually on the network two days ago. You may not agree with his liberalism but this is akin to saying Rush Limbaugh is nobody in American politics when he clearly is regardless of his far right views. Put your bias aside and go read up on West as you aren't aware of much to make a statement like you did.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2455512]So who is a somebody in American politics to you? For a nobody (according to you) Cornel West sure gets plenty of invites to political shows and events because they value his opinion. He is a frequent guest on Fox News and was actually on the network two days ago. You may not agree with his liberalism but this is akin to saying Rush Limbaugh is nobody in American politics when he clearly is regardless of his far right views. Put your bias aside and go read up on West as you aren't aware of much to make a statement like you did.[/QUOTE]Limbaugh has a following / listenership of millions. Cornel west is liberal university professor, who is thus invited to be a talking head on TV to represent a point of view. There is a difference.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2455532]Limbaugh has a following / listenership of millions. Cornel west is liberal university professor, who is thus invited to be a talking head on TV to represent a point of view. There is a difference.[/QUOTE] West is much more than a professor but just as I thought you are just uninformed. West does have a huge following with all his many best selling books, movie roles and paid appearances although how just having a following makes you a somebody in USA politics makes no sense.

"When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system's game. The establishment will irritate you—pull your beard, flick your face—to make you fight. Because once they've got you violent, then they know how to handle you. "

—John Lennon.

Brace yourselves.

There is something being concocted in the dens of power, far beyond the public eye, and it doesn't bode well for the future of this country.

Anytime you have an entire nation so mesmerized by political theater and public spectacle that they are oblivious to all else, you'd better beware.

Anytime you have a government that operates in the shadows, speaks in a language of force, and rules by fiat, you'd better beware.

And anytime you have a government so far removed from its people as to ensure that they are never seen, heard or heeded by those elected to represent them, you'the better beware.

What is unfolding before us is not a revolution.

The looting, the burning, the rioting, the violence: this is an anti-revolution.

The protesters are playing right into the government's hands, because the powers-that-be want this. They want an excuse to lockdown the nation and throw the switch to all-out martial law. They want a reason to make the police state stronger.

Interesting post from another forum:

Originally Posted by Cadsuper55 View Post.

The white supremacist cop hated George because he got a lot of white women while working at the club. He was intimidated and felt inferior because George was a big black man white women loved. This was his chance to prove a point. Now hes on suicide watch and caused the biggest revolution in world history. I'm sure there will be hundreds of new laws but the UN AFRICAN UNION AND EU finally condemning white supremacy in America will be the biggest nail in the coffin. American white supremacy had to end at some point and with whites being minorities in 10 to 15 years this just sped the process up. The UN should've been stepped in. END

Seems like 2 Alpha Males working security at the same bar. Lots of competition prior to this event. One of the guys becomes a cop and low and behold he gets called to his old job site where his competitor is still working. Low self esteem mixed with onlookers causes a ruckus and cops want to show who is boss.

Skin color or fragile egos cause disturbance? I go with fragile egos and competition over skin color anyway. That is way more threatening than skin color could ever be.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2455649]Interesting post from another forum:

Originally Posted by Cadsuper55 View Post.

The white supremacist cop hated George because he got a lot of white women while working at the club. He was intimidated and felt inferior because George was a big black man white women loved. This was his chance to prove a point. Now hes on suicide watch and caused the biggest revolution in world history. I'm sure there will be hundreds of new laws but the UN AFRICAN UNION AND EU finally condemning white supremacy in America will be the biggest nail in the coffin. American white supremacy had to end at some point and with whites being minorities in 10 to 15 years this just sped the process up. The UN should've been stepped in. END

Seems like 2 Alpha Males working security at the same bar. Lots of competition prior to this event. One of the guys becomes a cop and low and behold he gets called to his old job site where his competitor is still working. Low self esteem mixed with onlookers causes a ruckus and cops want to show who is boss.

Skin color or fragile egos cause disturbance? I go with fragile egos and competition over skin color anyway. That is way more threatening than skin color could ever be.[/QUOTE]Who wrote that? Christopher Steele? The refs have been called in and they are saying it's bull honkey!

[QUOTE=Beans5;2455858]Who wrote that? Christopher Steele? The refs have been called in and they are saying it's bull honkey![/QUOTE]Eh, you probably don't want to use that word.

The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.

1. Make them "want" needless things.

2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).

3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."

So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2455868]Eh, you probably don't want to use that word.[/QUOTE]Oh geeze, here we go. We got one of those word litigators up in here.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2455902]The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.

1. Make them "want" needless things.

2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).

3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."

So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.[/QUOTE]This is hysterical.

You obviously don't have a dime in your purse nor have you met a 1% 'er so how would you know how things operate? It is ignorance like this which engenders the rise of hate which is EXACTLY what people are protesting about.

I will agree though that poverty breeds anger, hate, and YES racism, even cannibalistic urges to harm your own kind ie. black on black crime but if you think you are YOU simply because a 1% type class exists then public education failed you miserably.

The 1% help you to wipe your ass and put food in your mouth in more ways than you can imagine. Whether for tax benefits or just pure ego bliss IT STILL GETS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT. Philanthropists contribute a huge amount of money to human causes that would otherwise never have the ability to operate.

But then again these days Chem trails, George Orwell, Illumanati, and Narcissism dominate more than common sense.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2455902]The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.

1. Make them "want" needless things.

2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).

3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."

So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

And you claim to be a medical field executive with a non-medical advanced degree?

Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2454732]There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. It works the same as when business owners who file their taxes and look for loopholes. We will take advantage of the system when we can to get paid. We do what we have to do and what we can get away with, if not more. [/QUOTE]

I am against racism and I support protests. However, if these protests cause a 2nd wave of COVID19, which then causes another shutdown and causes the USA Markets to crash again, then I may lose my mind.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2456598]I am against racism and I support protests. However, if these protests cause a 2nd wave of COVID19, which then causes another shutdown and causes the USA Markets to crash again, then I may lose my mind.[/QUOTE]I don't support these protests unless social distancing and masks are used. When the looting starts, bring in the National Guard and stop it. Does anybody know if prostitution is legal in Chaz?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451843]Then why would you clicking on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?

You must be a very 'special' thinking person.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty lazy response. Can you not do any better?

[QUOTE=Crypton;2458354]That's a pretty lazy response. Can you not do any better?[/QUOTE]On May 18th, in this thread, Crypton wrote this:

[QUOTE=Crypton;2451744]I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on! .[/QUOTE]So on May 18th I replied with this:

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451746]If you don't want to read this material.

Then read the other threads and don't read this one.[/QUOTE]There are over 1,600 other threads on this website. Why don't you instead read those threads? It's been more than five months since you contributed any other writings on this website other than these two posts above.

You think I'm lazy, and want a better response? How about this one:

Then why would you continue to click on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?

It took 99 days from the first diagnosed case of coronavirus until the United States had confirmed one million cases.

It was only 43 more days for another million cases, which got the confirmed cases number up to two million.

The three million case count was reached in another 28 days.

And just 15 days was needed to get to four million, today.

If the number of confirmed cases in the states continue to double every 43 days, we will get to eight million confirmed cases by September 3rd (just before labor day weekend).

And 16 million by mid-October.

And maybe greater than 20 million confirmed infected Americans by election day, Tuesday, November 3rd?

Probably not when mask use increases. Currently we have masks required when in public in 31 states.

Once one of the most popular governors in the country, Ron DeSantis is losing his standing among Florida voters as the state's coronavirus outbreak reaches new, alarming levels.

DeSantis, among several Republican governors who pushed in May to quickly reopen their states from pandemic-driven lockdowns, has seen his approval rating dip as Florida experiences one of the worst outbreaks in the country. On Thursday, as the Florida Department of Health reported a state record 173 COVID-19 deaths, a new poll released by Quinnipiac University put DeSantis' favorability rating at a new low, with 41% of voters approving of his job performance and 52% disapproving.

The numbers reflect a 31-point drop in DeSantis' approval rating from a poll the university conducted in late April.

The coronavirus is beating down the black community, the brown community, and the stupid, cowardly, largest portion of the republican party.

Herman Cain was diagnosed with COVID-19 on June 29,2020 and admitted to an Atlanta-area hospital on July 1. His staff on July 2 said that he was "awake and alert. " Four weeks later, he was still hospitalized and being treated with oxygen. Cain died of complications of COVID-19 on July 30,2020.

Cain had attended a Trump rally in Tulsa on June 20 without wearing a mask or socially distancing. On the day he was hospitalized, Cain praised South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem for not requiring masks at an upcoming Trump campaign event, tweeting "Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. People are fed up!

Instead of being 'fed up', Herman now is likely just 'iced up' in some morgue in Atlanta.

Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.

Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.

I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.

My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.

Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.

Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.

Are you cognitively there like Donald Trump? Here is a sample of the test he took and said he aced, do not take more than a minute to complete this test.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42717163[/URL].

The US government has issued a travel warning for New Zealand over the country's '23 active cases' of COVID-19, despite the fact there are more than 2 million active cases in the US itself, where community transmission is rife.

As the US death toll from the pandemic surpasses 160,000, President Donald Trump is looking to reopen the country and some border restrictions have been eased.

But in a post on his government's travel advice website made on Friday (NZ time), authorities called for increased caution when travelling to Aotearoa.

"As of August 6, 2020, New Zealand has had 1569 confirmed and probable cases of COVID-19 within its borders. Currently, there are 23 active cases in New Zealand," the post states.

It doesn't mention that all of the active cases in New Zealand are in managed isolation.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2472036]Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.

Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.

I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.

My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.

Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.

Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.[/QUOTE]I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. I am sure that brilliant speaker of the house from California would have no problem forking out a few million to help her people. As long as she got to keep about half.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2474140]I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. [/QUOTE]Around half of the Republicians in the Senate are telling Mitch McConnel that they won't vote for even a dime of additional unemployment for all United States workers, including citizens.

GOP says fuck off you non essentials. No more relief.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2474071]I hope it's ironic![/QUOTE]It's actually the goal of Nancy Pelosi. Make people poor so they vote Democrats. They've been doing it to African Americans for years. Funny thing is they are Onboard big time. Vote Food Stamps.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2474339]It's actually the goal of Nancy Pelosi. Make people poor so they vote Democrats. They've been doing it to African Americans for years. Funny thing is they are Onboard big time. Vote Food Stamps.[/QUOTE]Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.

Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.

Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?

Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2474408]Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.

Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.

Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?[/QUOTE]

Eventually it is going to become President Harris (Biden turns 78 this November).

Bet there's an opinion of the woman who spent most of her 20's being Willie Brown's girlfriend (when he enjoyed his 50's before becoming mayor Willie Brown of SF in his 60's).

Campaigning can be tough on a democratic love interest, especially when one of them's married.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2474408]Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.

Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.

Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?[/QUOTE]The stock market results are readily available too.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2474497]Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, but it is almost impossible not to respond when people are so very far from the facts. At some point in the last 15 years, while I was out mongering, the world just stopped caring about facts. Facts are unarguable truths. People see or hear something and then don't go to check the facts to see if it is true. What realm of logic does that fall into? Faith? So that means you have faith in the news and politicians?

The news used to be held accountable to tell the truth and face major consequences if they didn't. Now there are different versions of the truth. The fact that fake news can exist should make you lose all faith in the news. Politicians have no reason to be good, no incentive, especially in their last term. If you look a little closer you will see that even good men and women who become politicians are not in control of their own agendas. They are controlled by their political parties or the people who have given them money.

The solution is so simple!

First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website. If a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.

Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?

News is a bit more difficult, the problem is money. We need to create tax funded Newspapers and Television news stations that are run by publicly elected officials that also face treason if they have income from "any" other source but the government. Being a politician or a government official should not be a money making venture it should be for the purpose of making the world a better place. The other news media can do what they like but the only news the people can trust will be the tax funded news outlets and all employees will be scrutinized and face treason if they are caught accepting money or lying about the news. The tax funded news media will be 100% transparent and not worry about who is the first to report the news. Tax funded news will encourage and protect whistleblowers and offer rewards for convictions related to information provided by whistleblowers.

If we implement these two systems we never have to talk about politics ever again. If we don't then we must talk about politics every waking moment because we are at war! The Wealthy who control the politicians and media Versus The entire population of the world. If you look into the facts of the current situation you will see it is the truth.

I have some good news! We outnumber them about 40,000 to 1 if the military and police, who are not wealthy, choose to stand with the people. If the military and police choose to stand with the wealthy people, corrupt government officials and news media, don't worry too much, we still outnumber them about 5,000 to 1.

If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.

The only way to make the madness stop is to "make" the madness stop!

Thank you for your time!

MM.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2474497]Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.[/QUOTE]Especially if they have absolutely nothing to do with Thailand and, in this case Pattaya since this is the PATTAYA REPORTS forum!

For those who want to talk about politics why not sign up for some of the political forums out there like

[URL]https://www.debatepolitics.com/[/URL]

You can show off your political proficiency where people are much more knowledgeable and may give 2 sh1ts about politics than those of us who come here to talk about sex. This is a SEX BOARD!

Another political thread. This time along with War History. My second least favorite topic. What a complete waste of my time!

Let's just make this a war thread. Who will nuke the World first? Trump, Kim Jun Ong or whatever his name is, Bruce Lee, Charlie Chaplin, Charlie's Angels, Dr. Who, Abba, Macho Man, Zelda, Kermit the Frog, Mr. Rogers?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2474578]Another political thread. This time along with War History. My second least favorite topic. What a complete waste of my time!

Let's just make this a war thread. Who will nuke the World first? Trump, Kim Jun Ong or whatever his name is, Bruce Lee, Charlie Chaplin, Charlie's Angels, Dr. Who, Abba, Macho Man, Zelda, Kermit the Frog, Mr. Rogers?[/QUOTE]Wait a minute! Aren't you the same Banana Boi that posted the earlier "Trump...Got to love America!" and who "Americans voted to be theur leader" posts to which many of the other posts were simply replies or similar side comments?

LOL. You guys who get your licks in then demand the rest of us keep it on the subject of sex as soon as you start getting replies or posts that follow your lead crack me up. LOL.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2474521]If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.
[/QUOTE]You left the foxes in charge of the hen house.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2474521]The news used to be held accountable to tell the truth and face major consequences if they didn't. Now there are different versions of the truth. The fact that fake news can exist should make you lose all faith in the news. Politicians have no reason to be good, no incentive, especially in their last term. If you look a little closer you will see that even good men and women who become politicians are not in control of their own agendas. They are controlled by their political parties or the people who have given them money.

The solution is so simple!

First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2474673]You left the foxes in charge of the hen house.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I don't quite understand your analogy. My idea makes it possible to for anyone to become a politician and be judged on their words and actions. It doesn't allow politician to make any money from the outside world and all of the federal politicians as well as the governors of each state and the mayors of each city will be audited every year. The new will be owned by the people and all of its financials and operations will be completely transparent to the people.

Remember the website with the free advertising and crowdfunding, well it also has an impeach button that people can click on and start an impeachment process for any politician as long as the citizens signing the have an address related to the public officials office. Anyone could start an impeachment process against the Chairman, Prime Minister, President of the country. Only the people who have an address in the area where a senator, representative, or local government official are presiding over can sign their impeachments. Once impeached the candidate with the second most votes will take the impeached official's place within 7 days.

This system should be implemented in every country around the world to end government and news media corruption forever.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2474140]I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. I am sure that brilliant speaker of the house from California would have no problem forking out a few million to help her people. As long as she got to keep about half.[/QUOTE]I think you are right, Beavis. Won't all the dumbo rats be pissed when Trump wins again?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2475215]You've got to avoid it for another four, he's going to be re-elected.[/QUOTE]As of today, his chances are around 40%. It all depends on how much worse things get between now and election day.

I do agree - It will NOT be a landslide for Biden, as most pundits are predicting.

~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2475247]As of today, his chances are around 40%. It all depends on how much worse things get between now and election day.

I do agree - It will NOT be a landslide for Biden, as most pundits are predicting.

~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]Being the incumbent is a huge advantage, that and Trump's willingness to do whatever it takes to avoid losing means its going to be close.

Following is from Nate Silver's Five thirty Eight, recognized by most professional in the polling business as independent and reliable. I recommend visiting the site, lots of interesting stats.

"That, in a nutshell, is why the FiveThirtyEight presidential election forecast, which we launched today, still has Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, despite his current deficit in the polls. This is considerably higher than some other forecasts, which put Trump's chances at around 10 percent."

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2472036]Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.

Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.

I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.

My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.

Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.

Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.[/QUOTE]With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.

Bottom line. People will vote to protect and / or to further their interests. That is the bottom line. The majority of Electoral College delegates will elect the winner. That is the system.

I personally believe the silent majority will come out and re-elect Trump. Trump voters will not be shouted down. Most Americans are appalled at the lawlessness rioters and do not support defunding the police. Rioters, gutless mayors and governors have made it easier to vote for Trump than for Biden.

The thought Biden will be beholden to Bernie's far left agenda is enough to scare enough voters over to Trump's side. The lesser of two evils.

I doubt if there will ever be a Boy Scout as a presidential candidate. Voting will always be for the lesser of two evils.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2475390]Being the incumbent is a huge advantage, that and Trump's willingness to do whatever it takes to avoid losing means its going to be close.

Following is from Nate Silver's Five thirty Eight, recognized by most professional in the polling business as independent and reliable. I recommend visiting the site, lots of interesting stats.

"That, in a nutshell, is why the FiveThirtyEight presidential election forecast, which we launched today, still has Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, despite his current deficit in the polls. This is considerably higher than some other forecasts, which put Trump's chances at around 10 percent."[/QUOTE]Nate Silver in 2016 gave Trump a 29% chance of beating Hillary Clinton. How professional and reliable was that?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2475405]With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.[/QUOTE]The creditor class are the ones with the shit entitlement mindset. Any money put into the hands of The People is so that Visa / Mastercard can continue to get their interest payments. The corporations must have customers. Banks and rentiers must be paid in order to remain whole and keep the system from collapsing. What we have is socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2475405]With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.[/QUOTE]Trump is a bankruptcy expert. What do you think you get when you cut taxes and increase spending?

It isn't who is the president that is the problem. They have all done horrific crap! The problem is the whole system.

First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any candidate or politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website. If a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.

News is a bit more difficult, the problem is money. We need to create tax funded Newspapers and Television news stations that are run by publicly elected officials that also face treason if they have income from "any" other source but the government. Being a politician or a government official should not be a money making venture it should be for the purpose of making the world a better place. The other news media can do what they like but the only news the people can trust will be the tax funded news outlets and all employees will be scrutinized and face treason if they are caught accepting money or lying about the news. The tax funded news media will be 100% transparent and not worry about who is the first to report the news. Tax funded news will encourage and protect whistleblowers and offer rewards for convictions related to information provided by whistleblowers.

26 Trillion in national debt in the US solved in 30 days. Tell people To transfer all their money into private banks then after 30 days close all central banks and sister banks. Collect all the cash from the people and give them new money printed directly by the US government at an equal rate. Then return all the money printed by the federal reserve back to the federal reserve. Any outstanding debt offer the world bank repayment over 1000 years at 0% interest rate. If the World Bank refuses declare war on the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

Wow politics is sooo easy!

Master Monger for President!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2475771]Trump is a bankruptcy expert. What do you think you get when you cut taxes and increase spending?[/QUOTE]Lets do a recap. Debt when Dubbya assumed office 5. 7 T, when Obama assumed office it was 10.6 T and when Trump took over it was 20T.
Any honest individual would agree this is a bipartisan screw job. Trump is certainly not doing anything to help, but this thing has been going on well before him.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2475738]The creditor class are the ones with the shit entitlement mindset. Any money put into the hands of The People is so that Visa / Mastercard can continue to get their interest payments. The corporations must have customers. Banks and rentiers must be paid in order to remain whole and keep the system from collapsing. What we have is socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? The level of ignorance astonishes me. First Visa and mastercard are like tollroads, they don't collect interest. The banks do. Next traveling on the toll road is discretionary, and you blame the road instead of the person who made the choice to do so. Cash still plenty avaiable last I checked.

Finally these companies can sell their products anywhere. If you do not like coke, do not drink it, the african laborer will gladly take ypur place. If you don't buy and they can't sell anywhere then the company can go eat crow. What gives you the god given right to x or y product? Its the definition of an entitlement mindset. That the gov is doing it for corporations is the ultimate rationalization of your mindset. You are basically questioning the fundamental tenets of capitalism having benefitted in its busom for decades. Sad.
You travel and monger today purely because you are from a country that has succeeded in capitalism.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2475802]26 Trillion in national debt in the US solved in 30 days. Tell people To transfer all their money into private banks then after 30 days close all central banks and sister banks. Collect all the cash from the people and give them new money printed directly by the US government at an equal rate. Then return all the money printed by the federal reserve back to the federal reserve. Any outstanding debt offer the world bank repayment over 1000 years at 0% interest rate![/QUOTE]A debt that can't be repaid, won't be repaid. Economics 101, Day 1.

The majority of USA currency in circulation is circulating abroad. It is America's biggest export at this stage. The last thing you want to do is call it in, at least not before all the appropriate people convert their Federal Reserve banknotes into diamonds and are keeping them in little bags they're wearing around their necks.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2475869] That the gov is doing it for corporations is the ultimate rationalization of your mindset. You are basically questioning the fundamental tenets of capitalism having benefitted in its busom for decades. Sad.
You travel and monger today purely because you are from a country that has succeeded in capitalism.[/QUOTE]Sorry to have challenged you beyond your capacity. Yes, it is the bank that issued the Visa / Mastercard that must not be denied their interest payments. And it is the banksters who are the donor class the politicians work for. Put money into the pockets of the flyover country and inner city citizenry and that money (either in cash or via credit card) soon finds its way to McDonalds, Home Depot, Target, and the rest of them. These corporations are then able to pay their management and reward their shareholders. The Money-Go-Round, get it? Take away credit from the ever-increasing rabble and what do you have? Answer: quick and hard descent to Revolution.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2475733]Nate Silver in 2016 gave Trump a 29% chance of beating Hillary Clinton. How professional and reliable was that?[/QUOTE]Russia rigged the vote.

There really was more people that voted for Hillary.

(Hope no one takes me seriously).

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2475863]Lets do a recap. Debt when Dubbya assumed office 5. 7 T, when Obama assumed office it was 10.6 T and when Trump took over it was 20T.
Any honest individual would agree this is a bipartisan screw job. Trump is certainly not doing anything to help, but this thing has been going on well before him.[/QUOTE]Dubbya walked into a strong economy and proceeded to put it into meltdown with unnecessary tax cuts and unnecessary wars. Obama waked into a basket case and tuned it into a stable economy. The deficit was contracting to less than 400 b a year despite Republican refusal to raise taxes. Trump was generating $1 T a year deficits in a strong economy. Now they are running hundreds of billions a month with no plan to address it.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2475872]The majority of USA currency in circulation is circulating abroad. It is America's biggest export at this stage. The last thing you want to do is call it in, at least not before all the appropriate people convert their Federal Reserve banknotes into diamonds and are keeping them in little bags they're wearing around their necks.[/QUOTE]We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States. Diamonds are worth as much as crushed carbon to anyone with an IQ over 120. Gold isn't much better as it has such limited use. Platinum or Titanium are some valuable metals that will never lose their value. We must implement the change to save 680 billion a year. We can still pay the world bank 20 billion a year for a 1000 years!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476107]We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States. Diamonds are worth as much as crushed carbon to anyone with an IQ over 120. Gold isn't much better as it has such limited use. Platinum or Titanium are some valuable metals that will never lose their value. We must implement the change to save 680 billion a year. We can still pay the world bank 20 billion a year for a 1000 years![/QUOTE]Unsure what change you are suggesting.

Currently our United States dollars are not backed by precious metals (as dollars stopped being backed by gold reserves over 87 years ago).

So currently our United States dollars are based on not much beyond the power and resources of the United States.

And the Fed already prints as much new money as the fed desires.

So I guess you are in favor of our current system?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2476222]Unsure what change you are suggesting.[/QUOTE]I think you have a comprehension problem currently the US dollar is printed by the federal reserve which is not a government agency it is completely controlled by the world bank. In the current system we are controlled by the world bank and must pay them $700 billion every year in interest or they can manipulate their monetary System to cause us harm.

If the United States government started printing its own money we could pay back our debt at our leisure because the United States is the most powerful country in the world. Currently the world bank values money off of fractional lending which means a country's money can be worth Nine times more than the current amount of money deposited in the banks.

Eliminating the $700 billion we pay in interest every year will also make the new currency Printed by the United States government more valuable As we would have less of a debt liability.

We also need to change the government system so there are no longer Political parties or campaign contributions as I explained in my previous post. News should also be presented by an entity that cannot be enticed by money such as a tax funded news outlet that will guarantee fake news is a thing of the past.

The current system is completely messed up since shortly after World War II until now. If you can't see that ask somebody to look into the information and translate it for you into layman's terms because I don't have the time.

Pretending to vote for the president or even worrying about any politician until we fix the system is completely futile because the politicians will do whatever the people paying them tell them to do.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2475907]Sorry to have challenged you beyond your capacity. Yes, it is the bank that issued the Visa / Mastercard that must not be denied their interest payments. And it is the banksters who are the donor class the politicians work for. Put money into the pockets of the flyover country and inner city citizenry and that money (either in cash or via credit card) soon finds its way to McDonalds, Home Depot, Target, and the rest of them. These corporations are then able to pay their management and reward their shareholders. The Money-Go-Round, get it? Take away credit from the ever-increasing rabble and what do you have? Answer: quick and hard descent to Revolution.[/QUOTE]What an arrogant dumb ass you are. You got your facts wrong then talk about people's capacity to understand.

People adapt to their circumstances, we have built a consumer economy based on debt. The minute you properly incent savings and disincent debt you start going the other way. We just need to have the courage to do it. But as long as the population want to be fooled and there are those to fool them we will go further and further into the abyss. This printing and easing plan is not going to work forever and whether an inflationary crisis or a deflationary spiral, both can ignite unrest.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476263]I think you have a comprehension problem currently the US dollar is printed by the federal reserve which is not a government agency it is completely controlled by the world bank.[/QUOTE]You appear to have a learning disability.

The "Fed", or federal reserve is the central banking system of the United States. I smell "government agency", despite your silly assertion it is not. The World bank and Fed sometimes work with each other co-operatively, but neither controls the other.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476263]If the United States government started printing its own money we could pay back our debt at our leisure [/QUOTE]Hey McFly,

Try "Now that" instead of"If".

Our Fed already chooses when and how much money it prints / creates / expands.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476263]We also need to change the government system so there are no longer Political parties or campaign contributions as I explained in my previous post. News should also be presented by an entity that cannot be enticed by money such as a tax funded news outlet that will guarantee fake news is a thing of the past.

The current system is completely messed up since shortly after World War II until now. If you can't see that ask somebody to look into the information and translate it for you into layman's terms because I don't have the time.[/QUOTE]So your vision of Utopia.

Is dominated by state run media, like Russia or China?

You might prefer to live under a fascist regime, but I will pass on that and choose freedom instead.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476107]We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States![/QUOTE]Ah, the Hjalmar Schacht solution. If only.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2476406]The "Fed", or federal reserve is the central banking system of the United States. I smell "government agency", despite your silly assertion it is not. The World bank and Fed sometimes work with each other co-operatively, but neither controls the other.[/QUOTE]The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.

The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.

The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.

I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.

News media controlled by the people and paid for by our taxes so they can not be influenced would be similar to PBS or NPR. Although, we need to take it one step further and make it completely transparent to the public and also we need to start tax auditing all government employees and their family members and make those Audits public record. There should be no wealth or privacy for government officials.

My concept of removing manipulation of the wealthy on the government and news media is so far from the system in China that I can only assume one of two things.

You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.

Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.

The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.

The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.

I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here..[/QUOTE]You failed to note that the Board of Governors in Washington, DC is in fact an agency of the United States government, and directly accountable to Congress. So, the relationship between the Fed and the government is not like Federal Express as you put it. FedEx is a multinational corporation that has no nexus to governmental functions whatsoever. Not true for the Fed. It's Board has a lot of autonomy to act independently, but it is still a federal agency and part of government. And must answer to Congress. The system is actually both public and private in its nature:

[URL]https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm[/URL]

[URL]https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-english/who-owns-the-federal-reserve-banks[/URL]

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government.[/QUOTE]Per wikipedia: FedEx Corporation is an American multinational delivery services company headquartered in Memphis, Tennessee.

Fedex is a publicly traded corporation. The company was founded in 1971 as Federal Express Corporation by Frederick W. Smith, a graduate of Yale Business School.

Also per wikipedia: The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the 63rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23,1913. The law created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States. To lead the Federal Reserve System, the act established the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, members of which are appointed by the president.

Recent tradition has the President of United States appointing a chairman to the Federal Reserve around the middle of their term in office, around the time of off-year elections. Corporate shareholders elect the President (and probably other officers) serving Fedex.

Maybe with a little more study Master Monger, you might understand the difference between private companies, public companies, and government agencies. The Federal Reserve Act created the Federal Reserve System, consisting of twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks jointly responsible for managing the country's money supply, making loans and providing oversight to banks, and serving as a lender of last resort. The Fed is not responsible to shareholders to make profits. It serve a public interest, not a duty to make profits for shareholders.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.[/QUOTE]Consider it done.

You were the foolish writer trying to make a point the the Fed is not a part of federal government, just like a shareholder owned corporation is not a part of the federal government. A ball of string is also not the federal government, but what point does that make?

The federal reserve prints and creates money, which is something that your earlier posts, clearly demonstrated you were painfully ignorant of.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks..[/QUOTE]The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country? The government "has to"? The USA Did not has to give up this power, yet Congress was lobbied and they did. How this was made to happen has been well-documented. The short story: "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws," Amchel Rothschild. Americans are owned and will be until they End The Fed!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.

The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.

The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.

I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.

News media controlled by the people and paid for by our taxes so they can not be influenced would be similar to PBS or NPR. Although, we need to take it one step further and make it completely transparent to the public and also we need to start tax auditing all government employees and their family members and make those Audits public record. There should be no wealth or privacy for government officials.

My concept of removing manipulation of the wealthy on the government and news media is so far from the system in China that I can only assume one of two things.

You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.

Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.[/QUOTE]For someone telling people to check their sources / information the post above is not an example of that. Chairman of the Federal Reserve being appointed by the World Bank. Not so. In reality appointed by the President of the United States. Among other pieces of misinformation, or disinformation as he puts it.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank .,.

.,.You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.

Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.[/QUOTE]I think when MasterMonger went back to his "sources of information" for the list of the last five Presidents of the Federal Reserve, it listed Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson.

This book describes the invention of the Federal Reserve by a secret cabal of banksters. The President appoints the chairman for a fixed term. But Is the president only allowed to choose from among a pre-selected ("trusted") group approved by the current secret cabal of banksters?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2476712]For someone telling people to check their sources / information the post above is not an example of that. Chairman of the Federal Reserve being appointed by the World Bank. Not so. In reality appointed by the President of the United States. Among other pieces of misinformation, or disinformation as he puts it.[/QUOTE]That's why this is the American Politics thread, the truth in American politics is whatever you and your followers want it to be. Even when the truth stares you in your face, you can claim its fake news as many people do these days. There is no more fact-checking in politics.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2476697]Also per wikipedia: The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the 63rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23,1913. The law created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States. To lead the Federal Reserve System, the act established the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, members of which are appointed by the president.

Recent tradition has the President of United States appointing a chairman to the Federal Reserve around the middle of their term in office, around the time of off-year elections. Corporate shareholders elect the President (and probably other officers) serving Fedex.

The federal reserve prints and creates money, which is something that your earlier posts, clearly demonstrated you were painfully ignorant of.[/QUOTE]You read the first 5 lines of Wikipedia and think you understand anything, so cute.

The president does have the ability to select the members of the board of governors and from that board he can select one of them to be the president. That much of what you said is true.

The senate is given a list of candidates from representatives of the World Bank and they pass that list on to the President Of the United States. If he chooses a name from the list as a new member of the board of governors the senate will approve his choice. If he chooses another name not on the list the senate will contact the world bank and ask if this name is acceptable and if the World Bank says "no problem" the senate will approve the choice. If the World Bank says "No Way". The senate will not ratify the President's choice and the process starts over again.

If I give you a list of women and say pick one from this list to be your wife. Although, if you choose someone else not on the list you will not be granted a marriage certificate. Did you choose your wife or did I choose your wife?

The Federal Reserve has no government employees, they take no funding from the government and make money off of short term loans, usually to other countries, and other investments. The do tell the government periodically what they are doing but do not have to heed the words of anyone in the government.

The only way their power can removed is by an act of Congress and they already have enough Senators in their pocket to make that very difficult.

The Dodd-Frank act of 2008 was a major blow to the Federal Reserve's power after costing the American People about $22 Trillion dollars in lost money after the housing market crash of 2008.

Thanks to Congress and Trump, that act was partially repealed on May 24,2018. This is why the COVID-19 market crash in April was so bad And it looks like the next big crash is just around the corner.

Again the World bank controls the Federal Reserve although they have no interest in the measly $100 Billion the Federal Reserve in Washington profits ever year. For those who don't believe the world bank owns the Federal Reserve just look at the 12 central banks in the US.

The Number 2 central bank which is the most powerful and wealthy is New York of which The Rothschilds and 7 other families own more than 80%. Of course the Rothschilds have the controlling share at about 25%. The Rothschilds also own a piece of all other 11 central banks in the US.

If you don't know The Rothschilds control the World Bank and International Monetary Fund you have probably been sleeping through the last century.

This is public information you can look it up.

Scat you are a pretty rude guy but that is common for people without education or culture so I will just ignore your childish attempts at insults.

GolfinHo don't give up.

Hope the people can take back control of the US government anytime they decide to put down the fast food and phones and March on Washington to replace the government officials and eliminate all political parties and stop the government officials from accepting money from outside sources.

The police and the Military will stand with the people of there is more than 10,000,000 people at the gates of Congress.

Do more research and learn more about the real truth!

Documentaries your should watch: Oliver Stone's Series The Truth about America, Loose Change, Zeitgeist.

I have been reading, with prurient interest, the posts of there last week or so about central banking systems. Most posters succeeded in demonstrating their gross ignorance of the Federal Reserve System (The Fed), the central bank of the United States. I took Introduction to Macroeconomics in college, several decades ago now, but I was not so stupid, or asleep in class, that I forgot the basics of what I learned. Almost half the course was about monetary economics which included The Fed (the other half was fiscal economics, meaning Government budgets: taxation and spending). I kept many of my old textbooks, and economics was one. The good thing is that the laws relating the the functioning of The Fed have not changed since 1913 so my 1980 something textbook is still valid for that area.

Most egregious area of correction: Master Monger earns the award of Master Idiot for the most ridiculous, the most incorrect, most ludicrous statement of all the posts. In his post of Aug 19 (4:14 pm), Master Monger stated that The Fed has a President who is appointed by the World Bank. Most other posters corrected him, but only partially. Guys this stuff is from Macro-Econ 101! The Fed is led by a Board of Governors (BoG) composed of 12 governors, one for each Federal Reserve District. The BoG is led by a Chairman who is appointed by the President of the US to a term of 5 years.

I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand. Or at least go to The Fed's website. I mean everyone here is actually ON THE WEB AS WE WRITE! The URL is www (dot) federalreserve (dot) gov. They have a HUGE data base of monetary economics issues and Fed issues. There are links to the history of The Fed, its structure, its functions, its mandate, its goals and priorities.

I think Master Monger is a lost cause, there is no cure for whatever ails him. But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts!

Rant over.

Too many people are brainwashed in America. They either actually believe all the lies or are too scared to rock the boat to do anything about it. Trust me though, they wouldn't be going after the guns so hard if they were not actually afraid of the people.

That Oliver Stone's Documentary series is actually called "The Untold History of the United States" [URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1494191/.[/URL] It has like 12 episodes but it is worth watching. Listen closely to everything he says and also pay close attention to what is happening on the screen. You might have to watch it twice to catch all the information presented.

The laws concerning the Federal Reserve have constantly been changing with the latest Change almost eliminating the Dodd-Frank act just a couple of years ago. Eliminating the Federal Reserve and the entire central banking system would be the best solution not only for the USA but for every country in the World.

Central banking does make it slightly easier to do business overseas but that good point does not compensate the citizens of each Nation for losing the Trillions of Dollars the Central banks make in interest lending and borrowing money back and forth between countries. It makes it way too easy for the government to steal money from the taxpayers as well because the government can give money or receive money without the permission or the oversight from the citizens of the nation.

The ultimate solution would be a "bitcoin like" currency accepted in all countries and distributed from all ATMs around the world. You can either choose the local currency or the "bitcoin like" physical currency that all countries recognize. This would eliminate the need for central banking and make it easy for all businesses to do business around the world. You would never exchange USD for CAD again, instead you exchange USD for WWC "World Wide Currency" then exchange any WWC you have left back into whatever currency you like or just use it your home country. The US Dollar almost plays this role now but many countries are still resistant Because they dislike the US. Allowing Switzerland to print this new WWC would see every ATM in the world have this currency overnight. Every shop and store in the world could then start accepting local currency and / or WWC.

Education is the first step but finding the solutions to the problems is the ultimate goal!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477544](snip)
The ultimate solution would be a "bitcoin like" currency accepted in all countries and distributed from all ATMs around the world. You can either choose the local currency or the "bitcoin like" physical currency that all countries recognize. This would eliminate the need for central banking and make it easy for all businesses to do business around the world. You would never exchange USD for CAD again, instead you exchange USD for WWC "World Wide Currency" then exchange any WWC you have left back into whatever currency you like or just use it your home country. The US Dollar almost plays this role now but many countries are still resistant Because they dislike the US. Allowing Switzerland to print this new WWC would see every ATM in the world have this currency overnight. Every shop and store in the world could then start accepting local currency and / or WWC.

Education is the first step but finding the solutions to the problems is the ultimate goal![/QUOTE]OK. Here I go again. I apologize to the smart and sane posters who may read this.

Master Monger wants to put forth an ultimate solution to central banking. He proposes a system of local currencies, accepted in only one country each, along side one international currency, accepted in all countries, and giving the public the option of transacting in either the local currency of their country or the international currency.

I hope what Master Monger is proposing sounds familiar to European posters. I think it should! It is NOT a new idea! When the [I]euro[/I] was being negotiated during the 1990's, the idea of each country keeping their own domestic currency and simply adding the [I]euro[/I] to each country was debated. The residents of each country in the Union would have the option of transacting in either the [I]euro[/I] or their own currency, as MM proposes.

MM believes that arrangement would eliminate the need for a central banking system. He is very incorrect on that point. It would necessitate the need for [B]TWO[/B] central banking systems in each country. The domestic ones whose existences continue, and the international one whose existence is new. I do not know the details of those [I]euro[/I] debates. I only know the result. It was rejected in favor of the current 'all in, or all out' arrangement. I suspect the need for two central banking systems was a factor. Britain notably chose the 'all out' option.

So, yes, educate yourselves about what you choose to talk about [B]before[/B] talking about it. I may have to eat my words on that point because I am not knowledgeable about the [I]euro[/I] debates and can be incorrect about some details.

[QUOTE=George90;2477412]I took Introduction to Macroeconomics in college, several decades ago now, but I was not so stupid, or asleep in class, that I forgot the basics of what I learned. Almost half the course was about monetary economics which included The Fed (the other half was fiscal economics, meaning Government budgets: taxation and spending). I kept many of my old textbooks, and economics was one. The good thing is that the laws relating the the functioning of The Fed have not changed since 1913 so my 1980 something textbook is still valid for....[/QUOTE]In your forty-year-old textbooks, how's the shadow economy discussed? Our favorite economist: Michael Hudson, who can tell what you need to know about The Fed:

What is the place of the Federal Reserve System in the American financial and economic structure?

Prior to the Federal Reserve's founding in 1913, USA Monetary policy was conducted by the Treasury. Like the Fed, it had district sub-treasuries that performed nearly all the financial functions that the Fed later took over: providing credit to move the crops in autumn, managing government debt, and so forth.

But after the severe 1907 financial crisis, a National Monetary Commission was reformed. Under the then-Republican administration, it recognized a need for more active government intervention to prevent future financial crises. It also recognized the desirability of moving away from the Anglo-Dutch-American system of "merchant banking" based on short-term lending against collateral in place, or for shipping of goods already produced. The National Monetary Commission's longest volumes were on the great German industrial banks, and Republican policy aimed at bringing banking into the industrial era, to provide long-term funding after the model of German and other Central European banks.

However, the leading bankers sought to use the crisis as an opportunity to grab power for Wall Street, away from the Treasury. In this sense, the Fed was founded in large part to take monetary control away from Washington's elected officials and appointees, and privatize the supply of money and credit.

So its place in the USA Financial and economic structure is to allocate credit, primarily to serve Wall Street financial interests. That explains the insistence on the financial class here and abroad in insisting on an "independent" central bank. It means that instead of serving the public interest, it serves the interests of the banking class. The hoped-for transformation of commercial banking into long-term industrial banking was not achieved.

Can we imagine the global economic system without Federal Reserve today? If yes / no, why?

As David Kinley's book for the National Monetary Commission pointed out a century ago, nearly all the financial functions performed by the Fed already were performed by the national Treasury. In more recent times, Milton Friedman and his University of Chicago colleagues suggested that the entire Fed could be reduced to a single desk inside the Treasury. The "Chicago Plan" of the 1930's urged Treasury control, as does Congressman Dennis Kucinich's current bank reform.

There is no inherent need for a monetary agency to exist outside of the national government, except to serve the interests of the financial class as distinct from those of government, industry and labor. And the banking sector's business plan is to load down real estate, labor, industry and the government with as much interest-bearing debt as possible.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.

The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.

The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank [/QUOTE]Who is the current Federal Reserve President that was appointed by the World Bank?

I know the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve is Jerome Powell, and Mr. Powell was appointed to the chairmanship by the United States President.

But who the hell is the current Fed President?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.

Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.[/QUOTE]Are you specifically an Oliver Stone worshiper or a general conspiracy worshiper?

I think they are calling on you to assassinate the current President of the Federal Reserve!

[QUOTE=George90;2477412]I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.

Rant over.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=George90;2477412]Most egregious area of correction: Master Monger earns the award of Master Idiot for the most ridiculous, the most incorrect, most ludicrous statement of all the posts. In his post of Aug 19 (4:14 pm), Master Monger stated that The Fed has a President who is appointed by the World Bank. Most other posters corrected him, but only partially. Guys this stuff is from Macro-Econ 101! The Fed is led by a Board of Governors (BoG) composed of 12 governors, one for each Federal Reserve District. The BoG is led by a Chairman who is appointed by the President of the US to a term of 5 years.

I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=George90;2477412]I think Master Monger is a lost cause, there is no cure for whatever ails him. But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts!

Rant over.[/QUOTE]You mean rant incomplete, or in process?

[QUOTE=George90;2477412]Most other posters corrected him, but only partially.
I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies.
But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.
But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts![/QUOTE]Are we to do what you say, and not what you did?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2477693]Who is the current Federal Reserve President that was appointed by the World Bank?

I know the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve is Jerome Powell, and Mr. Powell was appointed to the chairmanship by the United States President.

But who the hell is the current Fed President?

Are you specifically an Oliver Stone worshiper or a general conspiracy worshiper?

I think they are calling on you to assassinate the current President of the Federal Reserve.[/QUOTE]ScatManDoo and George90 please ignore my future posts by clicking on my name and selecting ignore as you both lack the intellectual capacity to understand them.

ScatManDoo you are Pretty disgusting to repost my old post when I clearly explained the situation of how the World bank chooses the Board of Governors in one of my latest posts.

Now the gloves come off and I will make you look like the foolish person you really are.

Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President. Trump chose Powell from a list of 7 names because only a seated member of the Board of Governors can become President of The central bank which is known as the Federal Reserve. Trump does not like Powell and has called him a no guts, bonehead, poor communicator. So I wonder why he chose him from the list of 7 names. Oh wait I know, because he had no idea who anybody was on the list of 7 names. Probably chose with a dart.

ScatManDoo nothing in the Oliver Stone series is a conspiracy they are all just "facts" of the heinous stuff the American government has done over the years that they have been controlled by the United Nations, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. If you can prove otherwise then in The USA you can take him and the producers to court and sue them. I guess you are not too familiar with the legal system either.

ScatManDoo even joking about assassinating someone is a crime, apparently something else you are clearly unaware of.

George90 are you actually 90 years old because your posts make about as much sense as my 92 year old grandfather.

The central banking system or Federal Reserve as they like to call themselves to convince people they are actually part of the government, not the case in the you. K. Where the central bank is called the Bank of England or India where the central bank is called the Bank of India. I guess that means citizens in The UK and India are more intelligent than the USA so they don't even try to fool them. Anyway the central banks are set up for two reasons. The first is to provide stability to the bank system so people don't panic and Erratically withdraw their money from banks causing the banks to fail. The second was to become a "Last Resort Lender" for banks, Governments, and on occasion private businesses. Over the years they have managed to become overseers of all banking practices and now regulate all banks but their need is redundant to say the least.

The government could do everything the Federal Reserve does with a fully government agency not allowing anyone to profit off the money the government needs. Banks can be more frugal and not overextend themselves so there is no need for central banks. Banking should be opened up and insured by assets, currently banks don't really give any money for depositing money so their use is limited only to keeping money safe and lending money.

Central Banks are bad just like political parties and unregulated fake news outlets are bad. If we want to have a bright future we need to eliminate them. All countries need to balance their books and put their payables and receivables to zero and stop paying all interest.

Switzerland could be the new world bank with the WWE and facilitate loans between governments on in the capacity of the record of the transaction and adjusting the value of that country's currency against the WorldWide Currency. If China lends the USA 1 trillion CNY then the USA will receive the equivalent in WWE and the value of Chinese currency will go down because they have sacrificed that money and the value of US currency will go up because of the cash influx. Currencies will no longer be traded like stocks. Then at the end of the year even if the physical money is not returned from the USA back to China the bank in Switzerland can balance the books by then lowering the value of US currency and increasing the value of Chinese currency. One time service fees can be implemented by the lender and the Switzerland world bank but no more interest payments.

This system could truly make central banks obsolete as well as interest payments.

Solutions, Solutions, Solutions, if you don't have one you are part of the problem.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank [/QUOTE]No matter how many times you repeat this stupidity, it still remains untrue.

There is no President of the Federal Reserve.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]ScatManDoo even joking about assassinating someone is a crime, apparently something else you are clearly unaware of.[/QUOTE]You are clearly unaware that there is no President of the Federal Reserve. If I tell you to go assassinate Fred Flintstone, are you going to try to threaten to get me arrested for that?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]Now the gloves come off and I will make you look like the foolish person you really are.

ScatManDoo nothing in the Oliver Stone series is a conspiracy they are all just "facts" of the heinous stuff the American government has done over the years that they have been controlled by the United Nations, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. If you can prove otherwise then in The USA you can take him and the producers to court and sue them. I guess you are not too familiar with the legal system either.[/QUOTE]I guess the "Master Attorney" using the handle Master Monger, does not know much, if anything, about the legal context of "standing". I wound not have the standing needed to succeed in such a lawsuit.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476617]The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank [/QUOTE]The Federal Reserve has no officer with the title President.

Got it McFly?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]ScatManDoo you are Pretty disgusting to repost my old post when I clearly explained the situation of how the World bank chooses the Board of Governors in one of my latest posts.[/QUOTE]You have not clearly explained (or even stated) who the current President of the Federal Reserve it.

Who is it McFly?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2477720]You mean rant incomplete, or in process?[/QUOTE]You are right. My rant is incomplete. Let's say my rant is suspended until Master Monger writes something so stupid that I am compelled to speak up once again. Which just happened again, but I too tired from his last spout of nonsense that I am passing up this one.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2477720]Are we to do what you say, and not what you did?[/QUOTE]Do whatever you wish. Henceforth, I'll try to make my words and actions more consistent. Master Monger's idiocy makes that a challenge.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2477954]No matter how many times you repeat this stupidity, it still remains untrue.

Got it McFly?

There is no President of the Federal Reserve.

I wound not have the standing needed to succeed in such a lawsuit.
[/QUOTE]ScatManDoo your problem resembles that of many Americans! You base your world off of opinions and feelings rather than facts.

The Fact is the Federal Reserve is not a government agency, it does not have government employees and it does not get any funding from the government. Those are facts and no matter how much you whine about the word "Federal" in the title or the fact that the President of the United States can pick it's officers from a list of names will never change that.

"Got it McFly?" Is a perfect example of your world being based on opinion and emotion rather than fact.

MasterMonger = McFly "I agree".

ScatManDoo = Biff "I also agree".

It amazes me that the movie "Back to the Future" has made such an impression on your life. Although thinking about your intelligence level it actually makes sense why you quote movies over literature.

You identify with Biff so in your opinion McFly is an insult but the fact is that McFly was the victor, the hero, the one who ended up being successful so you calling me McFly is a compliment you retarded Neanderthal.

President is a direct synonym with Chairman so you can call Jerome Powell either one because they mean the same thing. Guess you need to learn English too.

[URL]https://www.freethesaurus.com/president[/URL]

Maybe you wouldn't have the standing to sue because you are not an American citizen, or at least I can hope. Although as an American citizens you would have the standing to sue anyone who falsely defames the United States.

Got it Biff?

Now, George90 please tell me which college you went to so I can have them blackballed. I don't support any college who teachers their students to turn to insults when they are clearly losing and have no "standing" whatsoever.

George90 - " Well you, You are a, you are a poopy head."

Sorry man some people are just born stupid bro, complain to God not me.

You two keep responding and I will keep making you look stupid for opening your mouths.

No more political parties! No More Federal Reserve! No More biased News Media!

Write "No Confidence" on your Presidential ballot this year and tell the news you are doing exactly that!

In 2017 the Supreme Court made it clear to the public it has no influence over the electoral college anyway so your vote really doesn't matter!

Write "No Confidence" across your ballot do we can see how many people agree with the state of our government.

[QUOTE=George90;2478040]You are right. My rant is incomplete. Let's say my rant is suspended until Master Monger writes something so stupid that I am compelled to speak up once again. Which just happened again, but I too tired from his last spout of nonsense that I am passing up this one.[/QUOTE]This is probably what you meant about writing something stupid:

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering if Master Monger is maybe 16 years old-a violation of the website.

How else could you explain Master Monger not recalling that Donald Trump ran in the 2000 United States Presidental Election. Donald Trump "considered" running for president about half a dozen times before year 2015. Most memorable was the 2000 election where the Donald actively sought the nomination from the Reform Party (but quitter Donald lost that party's nomination in 2000 to Pat Bucanan).

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478094]"Got it McFly?" Is a perfect example of your world being based on opinion and emotion rather than fact.[/QUOTE]I referred to you as McFly because that character is widely recognized for not understanding how foolish and clueless he appears to everybody.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478094]President is a direct synonym with Chairman so you can call Jerome Powell either one because they mean the same thing. Guess you need to learn English too.[/QUOTE]You should send an emergency memo right away to Microsoft's chairman John W Thompson and Microsoft's president, Brad Smith that they are simply synonyms for each other without distinct and separate job titles, separate and distinct responsibilities, separate and distinct authorities and without different wives.

And that goes for the 1,000's of other top heavy corporations worldwide with these both these bloated with redundant offices that have two different people assigned to, with each getting paid to perform essentially in the same position.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478099]I'm wondering if Master Monger is maybe 16 years old-a violation of the website.

How else could you explain Master Monger not recalling that Donald Trump ran in the 2000 United States Presidental Election. Donald Trump "considered" running for president about half a dozen times before year 2015. Most memorable was the 2000 election where the Donald actively sought the nomination from the Reform Party (but quitter Donald lost that party's nomination in 2000 to Pat Bucanan).[/QUOTE]I have been posting on this website for over 16 years nimrod. Click on my name click view all posts. I am one of the founding members who enjoys a free lifetime membership. Back then we were a brotherhood sharing information in detail to help each other find cheap or free sex. Now you have to RTFF for an hour before you get any valuable information and this is because there are too many people making money off this website by providing misinformation and jacking up the prices. So now I just ask the local taxi drivers. I speak 6 languages so it is pretty easy for me to blend into the local culture of most countries.

Nobody who isn't a diehard Apprentice fan would know Trump tried to get a presidential nomination back in 2000. I am an apprentice fan and have all the seasons on DVD and I didn't know that. But since you are such a semantics guy I could argue that without being nominated you could only dream about being President because a dream is thought that doesn't have a good chance of coming true. Although I really didn't know he tried to get nominated for the reform party.

Nice try at misdirection though, because you know I am completely right about everything I have written and now you are grasping at straws trying to recover some dignity. Sorry bro, ain't going to happen.

Got it Biff?

Again my fellow Americans write no confidence across your presidential ballot this year so the government knows we have had enough and something has to change!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478272]Now you have to RTFF for an hour before you get any valuable information and this is because there are too many people making money off this website by providing misinformation and jacking up the prices. So now I just ask the local taxi drivers. I speak 6 languages so it is pretty easy for me to...[/QUOTE]Get confused, and post in stupid lunatic fashion, like this:

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President. [/QUOTE]But for big laughs, there's nothing like part of your golden oldie post from two weeks ago:

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2474521]IIf a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.

Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?

If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478272]Nobody who isn't a diehard Apprentice fan would know Trump tried to get a presidential nomination back in 2000. [/QUOTE]Hundreds of millions of people who read and write in English.

Appear to have a head start over you in knowledge about Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478272]I am an apprentice fan and have all the seasons on DVD and I didn't know that. But since you are such a semantics guy I could argue that without being nominated you could only dream about being President because a dream is thought that doesn't have a good chance of coming true. Although I really didn't know he tried to get nominated for the reform party.

Nice try at misdirection though, because you know I am completely right about everything I have written and now you are grasping at straws trying to recover some dignity. Sorry bro, ain't going to happen.

Got it Biff?[/QUOTE]McFly.

Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly used the wrong title to the head of the Federal Reserve is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".

Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says the United States Government cannot print or create their own money is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".

Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says "the Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank" is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".

Someone who declares in their writing "Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?" is ROTFLMAO hilarious, in McFly clueless fashion, about believing he is "Completely right about everything I have written".

Look master moron. You are not the first guy to spend most of his life not paying much attention to politics. Then you watch one schlocky undercover documentary-like movie, and suddenly think you have the whole system figured out.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2474521]At some point in the last 15 years, while I was out mongering, the world just stopped caring about facts.[/QUOTE]29 years ago I saw the Oliver Stone directed film called "JFK" with my dinglebat ex-wife when it was in movie theatres.

The movie made my dipshit wife convinced that JFK's assassination was not done by one guy and / or with a few guys help.

Instead she became convinced that there several thousand in-the-know active co-conspirators in the vast "military industrial complex" that took active roles in President Kennedy's slaying.

I found that Oliver Stone movie to highly speculative and not at all believable since if things had happened as outlined in that movie, the predictable whistle blowing from first-hand participants would have deafening.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2475678]Bottom line. People will vote to protect and / or to further their interests. That is the bottom line. The majority of Electoral College delegates will elect the winner. That is the system.

I personally believe the silent majority will come out and re-elect Trump. Trump voters will not be shouted down. Most Americans are appalled at the lawlessness rioters and do not support defunding the police. Rioters, gutless mayors and governors have made it easier to vote for Trump than for Biden.

The thought Biden will be beholden to Bernie's far left agenda is enough to scare enough voters over to Trump's side. The lesser of two evils.

I doubt if there will ever be a Boy Scout as a presidential candidate. Voting will always be for the lesser of two evils.[/QUOTE]Well said, DG!

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2455386]Biden is like Jimmy Carter 2. 0.

The guy is a buffoon and is / was Obama's valet. The white uncle tom. You already know what this guy is going to cater to and do. It is so predictable.
The result will be a lopsidedness in the other direction. More money and taxes will leave the country and you will have more of the same negativity yet no more white knights on dark horses to set you free.

Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.[/QUOTE]Well said, Artist.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478297]Hundreds of millions of people who read and write in English.

Appear to have a head start over you in knowledge about Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]Why would care about insignificant news of Trump not being nominated 20 years ago?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478297] Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly used the wrong title to the head of the Federal Reserve is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".[/QUOTE]It is a synonym ScatManDooDoo, so I could also call you ScatManPooPoo or ScatManShit and everyone would still know I am talking about you. Get a life!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478297] Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says the United States Government cannot print or create their own money is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written". [/QUOTE]You show us proof ScatManCrap! They can demand electronic currency be printed out but the government has to pay the treasury to print it. Otherwise, it is at the complete discretion of the Federal Reserve which is the USA central bank and NOT a government agency.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478297] Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says "the Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank" is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".

Someone who declares in their writing "Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?" is ROTFLMAO hilarious, in McFly clueless fashion, about believing he is "Completely right about everything I have written".

Look master moron. You are not the first guy to spend most of his life not paying much attention to politics. Then you watch one schlocky undercover documentary-like movie, and suddenly think you have the whole system figured out. [/QUOTE]I get it ScatManFeces it is hard to accept that most everything you thought you knew about your government is not true. That your vote doesn't matter, that the government is actually being controlled by the rich and powerful people of the world. Not wanting to believe it doesn't make it any less true. Instead of focusing your anger on me why don't you do some deep dive research and find out I am right or provide us with proof that I am wrong. I would love to be wrong about what I know about the government.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2478297] 29 years ago I saw the Oliver Stone directed film called "JFK" with my dinglebat ex-wife when it was in movie theatres.

The movie made my dipshit wife convinced that JFK's assassination was not done by one guy and / or with a few guys help.

Instead she became convinced that there several thousand in-the-know active co-conspirators in the vast "military industrial complex" that took active roles in President Kennedy's slaying.

I found that Oliver Stone movie to highly speculative and not at all believable since if things had happened as outlined in that movie, the predictable whistle blowing from first-hand participants would have deafening.[/QUOTE]ScatManExcrement are you comparing a fictional movie to a factual documentary? Is that really what you are doing right now? I mean I don't think anyone would attempt to do such imbecilic comparison so I must just be misreading what you wrote.

ScatManTurd if you think me using a synonym and not knowing and insignificant piece of news about Trump from 20 years ago then that is your right as an American. Doesn't make it true though.

Please do more research! Learn how the government actually works and write: "No Confidence" across your presidential ballot this November! Once we accept the truth we then have the responsibility to try and change things so they are better for our children!

Here is a little riddle about a problem with America. What health care plan costs only $145 initially and then only $35 every ten years after that but reduces your health care costs by about 90%?

A passport. Insulin in other countries is like $5 a shot, a trip the hospital might cost you $50 and any medicine from pain medication to antibiotics will only cost you much less than a dollar a pill. Sometimes as little as a penny a pill!

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478404]Why would care about insignificant news of Trump not being nominated 20 years ago?[/QUOTE]Only because you stupidly wrote this:

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2477779]Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President.[/QUOTE]I doubled over in laughter the moment I read your ignorant sentence about Trump's length of interest in the Presidency.

Since there was no prior discussion going on about Trump's prior interest in the Presidency.

You wrote something that can be easily seen as essentially an unforced error.

Rookie.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2478404]It is a synonym ScatManDooDoo, so I could also call you ScatManPooPoo or ScatManShit and everyone would still know I am talking about you. Get a life!h![/QUOTE]No need to be redundant:

"scatology (usually abbreviated scat) refers to coprophilia, when a person is sexually aroused by fecal matter, whether in the use of feces in various sexual acts, watching someone defecating, or simply seeing the feces". [URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org[/URL] wiki.

The man calls himself scat and he takes a close interest in your sh*t, master monger. Live with it.

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that "the helicopter couldn't fly" and that the Secret Service wouldn't drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as "suckers" for getting killed.

Prior to Labor Day Weekend, Trump had appeared to be gaining some ground on Joe Biden in polls during most of August. In other words, the election appeared to be tightening up, much like it had in 2016.

Something like this recent disclosure, which sounds completely consistent with the types of things Donald Trump has said in the past, might be just the type of thing that stops Trump's forward progress.

I thought the same thing about the Hollywood Access tape released by the Washington Post on 10/7/16. And that was an actual videotape, not a disputed quote.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2481142]When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that "the helicopter couldn't fly" and that the Secret Service wouldn't drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as "suckers" for getting killed.

Prior to Labor Day Weekend, Trump had appeared to be gaining some ground on Joe Biden in polls during most of August. In other words, the election appeared to be tightening up, much like it had in 2016.

Something like this recent disclosure, which sounds completely consistent with the types of things Donald Trump has said in the past, might be just the type of thing that stops Trump's forward progress.

I thought the same thing about the Hollywood Access tape released by the Washington Post on 10/7/16. And that was an actual videotape, not a disputed quote.[/QUOTE]Michael Cohen has a book coming out soon too, and that can't help. I know he's a liar and a cheat himself, but you are the company you keep. He took a fall for Trump who turned his back on him. Now Cohen is angry and seeks revenge by spilling secrets. I have not bought or read any of the other anti-Trump books, but I expect this one to be good!

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2481302]Michael Cohen has a book coming out soon too, and that can't help. I know he's a liar and a cheat himself, but you are the company you keep. He took a fall for Trump who turned his back on him. Now Cohen is angry and seeks revenge by spilling secrets. I have not bought or read any of the other anti-Trump books, but I expect this one to be good!

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Apparently Rupert Murdoch believes his own poling and apparently has decided to unhitch his wagon from Trump's dwindling caravan.

It has been reported this week that Trump and Murdoch had a shouting match over the phone. Going at it like putas fighting in HK.

Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.

He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.

I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.

And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.

The median time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.

According to a study according to a studu published in the Lancet.

[URL]https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/covid-19-symptoms-progress-death-3536264/[/URL]#text=22%20 days%20 was%20 the%20 time%20 from%20 first%20 symptom, viral%20 shedding%2 see%20 starting%20 at%20 first%20 day%20 of%20 symptoms.

I think Doctor Fauci is getting the last laugh.

If I was a writer for Saturday Night Live.

On tomorrow night's season opener of SNL.

My cold opening would be.

Joe & Kamala visiting Trump at Walter Reed Hospital.

In the newly renovated special Presidential BubbleBoy Suite.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489007]Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.

He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.[/QUOTE]It's all a hoax! Fake news!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489007]Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.

He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.[/QUOTE]No, it's not a failure, it's a success! Just as when Bolsonaro got it and showed how ridiculously harmless COVID-19 is. It only strengthens his point that it's nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489011]I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.

And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're promoting fake news, that's the only irony that I see.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489113]The median time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.

According to a study according to a studu published in the Lancet.

[URL]https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/covid-19-symptoms-progress-death-3536264/[/URL]#text=22%20 days%20 was%20 the%20 time%20 from%20 first%20 symptom, viral%20 shedding%2 see%20 starting%20 at%20 first%20 day%20 of%20 symptoms.

I think Doctor Fauci is getting the last laugh.[/QUOTE]Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489186]No, it's not a failure, it's a success! Just as when Bolsonaro got it and showed how ridiculously harmless COVID-19 is. It only strengthens his point that it's nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]His helicopter ride to the hospital yesterday was great photo op displaying the harmlessness of COVID-19.

Idiota.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489190]Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.[/QUOTE]With the truth out now that The Donald has been given oxygen treatments for two consecutive days when he oxygen levels got too low.

Hope he gets a last laugh. Really I do.

I hope Donald lives long enough to collect his government pension.

If I wish to visit any grocery store in Orange County California, I am required to wear a mask.

Visitors to & employees in the White House have no mask requirement.

Talk about stupid.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489190]Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.[/QUOTE]Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.

You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.

Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489190]Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.[/QUOTE]Now you're making me laugh. Survived? 3 days? It's a bit early to talk about survival or symptoms or whatever. But I don't doubt they're getting his body double ready to fill in if he goes into a coma or is on a ventilator.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489787]Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.

You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.

Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).[/QUOTE]It's documented that Trump has had a high fever and blood oxygen level drops. I'd agree that he gets the last laugh if he's re-elected. We will see.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489787]Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.

You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.

Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).[/QUOTE]You're kidding me right? He survived this without any problems at all. He didn't even need to go to the hospital, he only did because the doctors twisted his arm and did their best to scare him.

This only proves how tame the virus is when the President, a man in his mid seventies with some extra pounds, survives it without any serious symptoms.

If he wasn't the President he wouldn't even have gone to the hospital. He could walk by himself and talk by himself without any problems, just look at the pictures and videos.

You should watch Fox News instead of FNN / CNN.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489447]His helicopter ride to the hospital yesterday was great photo op displaying the harmlessness of COVID-19.

Idiota.[/QUOTE]I agree completely, nothing more than a flu.

Idiota.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2489800]Now you're making me laugh. Survived? 3 days? It's a bit early to talk about survival or symptoms or whatever. But I don't doubt they're getting his body double ready to fill in if he goes into a coma or is on a ventilator.[/QUOTE]LOL, you got your tinfoil hat on?

Trump survived this weak virus without any problems.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489889]I agree completely, nothing more than a flu.

Idiota.[/QUOTE]Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc[/URL]

I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2489888]You're kidding me right? He survived this without any problems at all. He didn't even need to go to the hospital, he only did because the doctors twisted his arm and did their best to scare him.

This only proves how tame the virus is when the President, a man in his mid seventies with some extra pounds, survives it without any serious symptoms.

If he wasn't the President he wouldn't even have gone to the hospital. He could walk by himself and talk by himself without any problems, just look at the pictures and videos.

You should watch Fox News instead of FNN / CNN.[/QUOTE]FNN stopped broadcasting 29 years ago. But we can see from your comments that you live in the past.

Here's what's really happening:

Donald Trump repeatedly asked "am I going to die?" as he fell sick with coronavirus, it was claimed.

Reports in America say the US President, 74, feared the same fate as a friend who died from the disease.

It is claimed he said: "Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?

That is the real scoop.

Chera, a long-time supporter, died aged 77 in April in New York.

Leaving Trump to cry like a small child as he awaited his helicopter ride to the hospital.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490109]Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc[/URL]

I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, don't forget about the 32000 lives needlessly lost in France or the close to 10000 lives needlessly lost in Germany.

They died because they were weak and they would have died anyways sooner rather than later. That's notable in the statistics, there are now less deaths than normal. Anyways, this is the place to discuss American Politics, so you better keep to the subject.

The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case.

Anyways, if you don't want C19 don't leave your house, let the rest of us live our lives.

We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2490131]We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?[/QUOTE]And 20 million Americans won't have access when they lose their insurance under the Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare", which Trump and his rich friends want to take away from them at the first opportunity (while offering no viable alternative).

Yes, with Covid-19 there's often more at stake than life and death. Loss of the quality of life is a significant issue indeed. Sadly those who are only glued to the Fox Entertainment Network are missing a lot of pertinent information.

"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.

The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.

The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.

'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients. '.

The study also shows more than two thirds of the patients who experienced altered brain function were unable to take care of themselves in the days after being discharged from the hospital.

'We are now looking to characterize the long-term neurologic effects of COVID-19 and the cognitive outcomes in patients with COVID-19-associated encephalopathy," says Dr. Koralnik. "We're studying this in patients who are discharged from the hospital, as well as in COVID-19 'long-haulers,' who have never been hospitalized but also suffer from a similar range of neurological problems, including brain fog.'"

[URL]https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-symptoms-of-coronavirus/6785487/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2490129]The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case. Anyways, if you don't want C19 don't leave your house, let the rest of us live our lives.[/QUOTE]Does anyone actually believe there would have been a lower death count with a Democrat in the Oval Office? Or anyone other than Trump? What we're witnessing is systemic failure. Corporations have long ago usurped the power of life and death. Doesn't make a difference who's the Figurehead-in-Chief.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2490131]We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?[/QUOTE]Ford, 93; Carter, 94 and counting; Reagan, 93; Bush I, 94. The true test will be how long they can keep Clinton as a sentient corpse.

But still not as good as British medical care does on its Royals: some of them top out at a hundred.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490109]Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc[/URL]

I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.[/QUOTE]Well you liberals had 4 years to come up with a strong candidate. This is what you got? Name one thing he has done to help the American people. I'll wait.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2490129]The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case..[/QUOTE]The West failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where I'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.

In addition Asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2490123]FNN stopped broadcasting 29 years ago. But we can see from your comments that you live in the past.

Here's what's really happening:

Donald Trump repeatedly asked "am I going to die?" as he fell sick with coronavirus, it was claimed.

Reports in America say the US President, 74, feared the same fate as a friend who died from the disease.

It is claimed he said: "Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?

That is the real scoop.

Chera, a long-time supporter, died aged 77 in April in New York.

Leaving Trump to cry like a small child as he awaited his helicopter ride to the hospital.[/QUOTE]I see that you prefer fake news from Trump haters over the truth, you couldn't even help yourself from distorting an already obvious lie.

The truth is simple, Trump didn't even need to go the hospital but did it anyways since no doctor wants to be blamed for the death of the President. Just a question of overly cautious doctors. The proof is in the pics&vids.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490141]Yes, with Covid-19 there's often more at stake than life and death. Loss of the quality of life is a significant issue indeed. Sadly those who are only glued to the Fox Entertainment Network are missing a lot of pertinent information.

"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.

The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.

The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.

'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients.[/QUOTE]Can you name one footballer that needed to retire after contracting C19? Neymar just had it and scored two goals this weekend. Just out of curiosity, how many goals would he have scored if he didn't contract C19?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489011]I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.

And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2489189]Sounds like you're promoting fake news, that's the only irony that I see.[/QUOTE]What was fake about what I wrote?

Should I have used the word "laidoff" instead of "furloughed"?

I thought either word sounded better than saying many of the major airlines told their regular workers to "go fuck off and fend for themselves" since the handouts ended in September.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2490235]The West failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where I'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.

In addition Asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.[/QUOTE]Is that right? Then how about Asians show some consideration and keep their viruses to themselves?

You Trump supporters are so out of touch! The markets are going up because the polls are widening significantly in Bidens favor and the market is up because it appears a blue wave is going to take place which means Democrats take the Senate and Presidency and they already control the house. This will mean trade deals will be more easily passed. Check out JP Morgan's report from yesterday. If you do not believe that, look at how much clean energy stocks are up and coal and oil is down. Enjoy the next 30 days because it might not end well for you.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2490230]Well you liberals had 4 years to come up with a strong candidate. This is what you got? Name one thing he has done to help the American people. I'll wait.[/QUOTE]First, "the L word" prerogative / label "you liberals" bit doesn't get you far as it lacks in any substance. I'm personally a moderate that voted for Reagan and McCain, plus Haley Barbour twice when I lived in Mississippi. And the American people were helped substantially when they were lifted out of the Great Recession which started in 2008, the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. Biden of course was part of that administration. And ultimately an excellent economy was handed off to Trump. Now of course you can dig up some Faux News talking points, pull out all sorts of lame and debunked conspiracy theories, but the aforementioned facts are simply facts so your question was answered. In fact that's an easy one, in spite of Trump's bluster.

Reminds me of conservatives whining all during the Clinton years because the president got a BJ. This in spite of the fact that we had an excellent economy and a balanced budget. Trump surely can't say that as the debt has mushroomed on his watch. Many conservatives just tend to skip relevant news to race bait like talking about the black on black crime in Chicago which is typically drug related. It's like a big so what. The same thing was going on with Italians in the 1920's and 30's with alcohol and heroin. Or looters while failing to acknowledge that the vast majority of protestors associated with BLM events have been peaceful. Half-truths often are as misleading as complete lies. The same Faux News fans love pushing family values and Christianity while they are the biggest mongers of all. OK whatever. Lolol.

Beavis we have had some good chats. I wish you well, and be sure to send in your absentee ballot. First and foremost I want all eligible voters voting.

Trump leaves the hospital, flies in, ascends the WH steps even though this is not his normal entrance, stands on the balcony, and removes his mash while highly contagious spewing his germs into the air. He poses for his photo ops then goes in the WH maskless. What a sick, self-absorbed fuck. As I said, it's not about Dems and Repubs anymore, libs or conservatives, but about ending this circus, getting this guy out of power and back squawking on the sidelines where he belongs. No matter you affiliation that's a step in the right direction.

[quote=goatscrot;2490235]the west failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where i'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.

In addition asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.[/quote]+1.

Bingo!

White Supremist Extremists (WSE) s remain the deadliest terrorist threat in the US, according to this recent DHS report.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490330]Trump leaves the hospital, flies in, ascends the WH steps even though this is not his normal entrance, stands on the balcony, and removes his mash while highly contagious spewing his germs into the air. He poses for his photo ops then goes in the WH maskless. What a sick, self-absorbed fuck. As I said, it's not about Dems and Repubs anymore, libs or conservatives, but about ending this circus, getting this guy out of power and back squawking on the sidelines where he belongs. No matter you affiliation that's a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]I had to laugh because I always see Mussolini in Trumps mannerisms when he speaks. He totally has copied Benito's way of talking to the crow0 DS and probably his mirror too. Mirror mirror on the wall.

The chosen one is now the infector in chief.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2490301]Is that right? Then how about Asians show some consideration and keep their viruses to themselves?[/QUOTE]Asians? I think you can point the finger at one country not all of Asia.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490330]Trump leaves the hospital, flies in, ascends the WH steps even though this is not his normal entrance, stands on the balcony, and removes his mash while highly contagious spewing his germs into the air. He poses for his photo ops then goes in the WH maskless. What a sick, self-absorbed fuck. As I said, it's not about Dems and Repubs anymore, libs or conservatives, but about ending this circus, getting this guy out of power and back squawking on the sidelines where he belongs. No matter you affiliation that's a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I'm not a Biden fan, he's way too far to the right for me. The majority of the democratic party is as corporate as the republican. And is beholden to the same donors. But I'm holding my nose and voting for him because I truly believe Trump has been a disaster for the United States. Hopefully enough true progressives can ride in on Biden's coattails and we might actually see meaningful change such as universal health care, paid education, and maybe at some point four weeks paid vacation, a UBI, and good pensions for everyone.

I was watching the late show with Stephen Colbert last night when the host said something that was both funny and true.

Stephen Colbert - "In the past few days the White House has reported more cases than the entire country of Taiwan".

Taiwan is a country with over 23 million inhabitants.

If we narrow that down to the last 24 hours:

The country of Singapore, comparatively, has reported 10 cases in the last 24 hours, according to the WHO. Thailand has reported eight, Taiwan two and both New Zealand and Vietnam one new case each. Sweden and Belgium boast zero new cases.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-orbit-now-has-more-new-covid-cases-numerous-countries-1536207[/URL]

The latest development with the Commission on Presidential Debates announcing today (Thursday) that the second debate between former Vice President Joe Biden and President Donald Trump will be virtual is a good thing. The president lately has been acting like a dangerous (out of control) leper.

With Trump announcing today that he will not participate in the second Presidential Presidential if is conducted virtually I see a simple conclusion that solves numerous problems.

If Joe Biden participates under the Commission's current plans.

VP Biden could be debating against a cardboard cutout of the Trumpster. That would cure all the interruptions that Trump's mouth diarrhea cause the last time.

And the cardboard cutout could pull double duty and help the President attend the World Series.

Will President Trump win the Noble Peace Prize for bringing peace to the Middle East? Meanwhile Sleepy Creepy Joe is hiding in his basement. It's great for the world to have had Trump as US President after the failed foreign policy of Obama&Biden. It saddened me to see how Obama and Biden let the Iranians infiltrate the White House and damaged the relationship with Israel. The World can't go back to another four years of Biden's encouragement of terrorism perpetrated by the Iranians and Palestinians.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2491111]Will President Trump win the Noble Peace Prize for bringing peace to the Middle East?[/QUOTE]No, because he does not deserve it.

This was recently written by Jos Ramos-Horta, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate:

There are more than 300 nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize. They include heads of state, leaders of movements, medical teams, and some people you have never heard of. To my knowledge there is only one who has released the news of his nomination to the press.

As someone who walked the hall in Oslo to receive the award in 1996, I have had the opportunity to come to know most of my fellow laureates, and many nominees who I have felt deserved the prize but have not yet received it. The overriding qualities I have seen in these peacemakers is a deep-seated passion for peace and justice, an optimism about the better nature of man, and humility. They share a knowledge that confronting and taming the more violent nature of man is a job bigger than any one person. It is a rare acceptance speech that does not include an acknowledgement of the shoulders one has stood on to arrive at that majestic ceremony.

Donald Trump has equated all protesters with "violent mobs" and "anarchists," and has celebrated those who brandish weapons against peaceful protesters. The language he uses toward any who oppose him is mockery, denigration, and at times, twisted facts and falsehoods uttered to ignite the baser and even violent natures of his audience. He gives thinly veiled support to violent White Supremacy extremists. As for humility, he states that he has accomplished more than any other President in the history of his nation.

When the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded for peace accords, it has been for bringing peace between countries or parties at war. A trade deal between Serbia and Kosovo, for which he received one nomination, is a plus, but it is just that, a trade deal. The armed conflict between these nations ended in 1999 when Bill Clinton was President.

The second nomination was for an "historic peace deal" in which the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain formally recognized Israel. While this is certainly a plus for Israel, neither the UAE nor Bahrain has ever been at war with Israel. Rather than a peace deal, it is a realignment of Sunni Arab leaders, standing with Israel against the Shia leadership of Iran. The "deal" has been preceded by the doubling of arms sales to the Middle East in 2019 alone, including the sale of Patriot missile systems to both Bahrain and the UAE, and the sharing of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, heightening the potential for catastrophic military conflict in the region, in the longer view placing the lives of all in the Middle East, including Israeli citizens, at heightened risk.

It ignores entirely the plight of the Palestinians, who have had their land encroached upon and divided, their private land simply confiscated and reassigned to Israeli settlers. The United States and Israel have literally killed the internationally supported Two State solution. If the new alliances were to revive the dialogue and move such a solution forward, it could bring hope of real peace building in the Middle East. From the actions of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in Yemen, this is sadly unlikely.

The civil war in Yemen is an increasingly complex conflict that cries out for a political solution. Instead, in 2015, the United States threw its weight and arms behind one side, aligning with Saudi Arabia in a nine-nation coalition that included the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain against the Houthi. The sheer might against them has led the Houthi deeper into the arms of Iran and Hezbollah.

Since that time more than 112,000 Yemeni have died as a direct result of the violence; more than 85,000 children have died of starvation as a result of aerial and naval blockades by the Saudi coalition and blockages by the Houthis. UNICEF estimates that 25 million more are at risk of starvation. 12,600 civilians have been killed in targeted attacks by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, including bombings of markets, residential areas, schools, hospitals and wedding parties. One of the primary tools for these bombings has been laser-guided bombs produced by Lockheed Martin and sold by the thousands to Saudi Arabia.

In March 2019, both houses of the United States Congress voted to pass a resolution to end USA Support to the Saudi Arabia war effort. It was vetoed by President Donald Trump.

Arms deals and military alliances against neighboring nations, while protective of American interests in the region, are not the stuff of peace. They are the material of death, lost limbs, lost children, destroyed families and neighborhoods, and increased hatred of America. Arriving at political solutions to Yemen, a laying down of arms by all parties and the restoration of democracy to the citizenry would be worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. Even more so would be the advancement of a nuclear-weapons free zone in the Middle East, an effort pursued by the UN General Assembly since 1974 which is sadly lacking support from the United States.

President Trump seems to be missing the point that the Nobel Peace Prize is not just something you hang on your wall. It is an award for builders of peace and democracy, not merchants of violence and war.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/trump-nobel-prize-nomination-less-deserving-1537578[/URL]

Let me clear my throat! Hahahaha! LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/excuse-trump-repeatedly-clears-throat-054507601.html[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/gnsqvz9iIlA[/URL]

So tell me.

Does anybody else (other than Cane) get the humor in seeing Trump cough his way through the interview where he tries to strongly assert how healthy he is?

My republican friends are too stupid to get it.

On numerous occasions in the Month of April the White House announced that the President tested negative for Covid-19.

Also on numerous occasions in the Month of May the White House announced that the President tested negative for Covid-19.

Suddenly now his testing records are privately guarded records the White House is instructed not to release.

There are videos of Trump saying that the nasal swab up his nose was very unpleasant.

So it comes as no surprise to me that this selfish fuck was likely uncooperative with his doctors and refusing to take more of the unpleasant tests until he got very sick.

While infecting hundreds of others (like gold star families) while being involved with many events.

For the first presidential debate no testing was done. Candidates and their entourages were on the honor system.

The honor system does not work with dishonorable people.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2491169]No, because he does not deserve it.

This was recently written by Jos Ramos-Horta, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate:

There are more than 300 nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize. They include heads of state, leaders of movements, medical teams, and some people you have never heard of. To my knowledge there is only one who has released the news of his nomination to the press.

As someone who walked the hall in Oslo to receive the award in 1996, I have had the opportunity to come to know most of my fellow laureates, and many nominees who I have felt deserved the prize but have not yet received it. The overriding qualities I have seen in these peacemakers is a deep-seated passion for peace and justice, an optimism about the better nature of man, and humility. They share a knowledge that confronting and taming the more violent nature of man is a job bigger than any one person. It is a rare acceptance speech that does not include an acknowledgement of the shoulders one has stood on to arrive at that majestic ceremony.

Donald Trump has equated all protesters with "violent mobs" and "anarchists," and has celebrated those who brandish weapons against peaceful protesters. The language he uses toward any who oppose him is mockery, denigration, and at times, twisted facts and falsehoods uttered to ignite the baser and even violent natures of his audience. He gives thinly veiled support to violent White Supremacy extremists. As for humility, he states that he has accomplished more than any other President in the history of his nation.

When the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded for peace accords, it has been for bringing peace between countries or parties at war. A trade deal between Serbia and Kosovo, for which he received one nomination, is a plus, but it is just that, a trade deal. The armed conflict between these nations ended in 1999 when Bill Clinton was President..[/QUOTE]No one deserved to win it more than Trump. He's the leader that the World needs and the World deserves. Obama & Biden only embolden Iran and that's why Iran is using Yemen to attack and terrorize Saudi. No one has done more for peace the last 30 years than Trump.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2491453]No one deserved to win it more than Trump. He's the leader that the World needs and the World deserves. Obama & Biden only embolden Iran and that's why Iran is using Yemen to attack and terrorize Saudi. No one has done more for peace the last 30 years than Trump.[/QUOTE]Trump hasn't started any new wars and they would find a way to get rid of him if he tried to end any of the existing wars.

After that VP debate, now it's clear why Kabala Harris and her smug, whiny voice couldn't even make it to the first Presidential primary election before her campaign folded. Can the Democrats really think the electorate is so stupid they would vote solely based on skin tone and gender? This Prosecutor has even less interest in common with African-American lives mattering than the half-Kenyan Ivy League lawyer candidate they put up twelve years' ago. And she was so busy prosecuting little people she had no time to get beard-married until she was fifty years' old, much less have kids of her own. Is this something anyone could look forward to seeing and hearing for the next four years? (Not to mention if the senile old fool Biden goes full dementia in the meantime.).

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2489007]Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.

He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2489186]No, it's not a failure, it's a success! Just as when Bolsonaro got it and showed how ridiculously harmless COVID-19 is. It only strengthens his point that it's nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]Well, Trump's got plenty to worry about.

According to Fox news, Biden has recently pulled farther ahead of Trump in nationwide polling.

Staying healthy has helped make Biden's poll numbers healthier (as Trump speeds his decline). Biden's 5 point nationwide lead in September is now a 10-point lead in October.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-gains-ground-over-trump[/URL]

So Trump is starting his 'Airport Hangar Tour' today in Orlando Florida (Sandford International Airport). The next three days he plans to visit hangars at Johnstown Cambria County Airport in Pennsylvania, Des Moises International Airport in Iowa, and Pitt-Greenville Airport to double-down on Pennsylvania's 20 electoral college votes.

The President's Press Secretary and his top doctor (TSD-Top Spin Doctor) announced that the President tested negative for Covid for two consecutive days.

They refused to say which two consecutive days they were (how coy they are), but the smart money is on Sunday and Monday (yesterday & today). Before it happened, the President yesterday said he was going to get tested later on Sunday (yesterday).

As far as specifying earlier testing dates, the last one actually reported for the President was on Thursday, October 1st, and the results came back positive.

Thursday October first was a busy day that should not have been busy. On that Thursday (10/1), Hope Hicks tested positive. Later that day, Trump then decided to go to a fundraiser at his New Jersey private club in Bedminster NJ. In an evening interview with Fox news that same Thursday, he said he and Melania "are being" tested and an hour past midnight Trump announced that he and Melania tested positive. It was later reported that Trump had experienced symptoms before he was tested, not sure if symptoms began on Thursday, or days earlier.

Any doctor willing to discuss the matter all say that the President was wrong wrong wrong WRONG to visit Bedminister after learning of Hope Hick's positive test results before starting that New Jersey trip.

Any doctor, except those employed to care for the President, will likely state that Trump had enough (and close enough) contact with Hope Hicks, to reasonably only take the action of going into quarantine / self-quarantine following Hope Hicks diagnosis.

The day before, Wednesday September 30th, Trump and Hicks and a full campaign entourage crammed into Airforce 1 and most went to suburban Minneapolis to a private home stuffed with wealthy mid-westerners for a fundraiser, followed by an airport hangar event in Duluth MN. Hope Hicks felt very sick soon after arriving in Minnesota. I don't know if Hope Hicks attended the suburban fundraiser, but she did not attend the Duluth hanger campaign rally but instead went to the airplane and tried isolating herself aboard Airforce One (using what as a barrier? A combination of airplane pillows, cocktail napkins and barf bags? The "self-isolated" fever-blind Hope Hicks stayed on Airforce 1 and flew back to Washington DC with Trump and everybody else.

If Trump had known that Hope Hicks was actively shedding disease, I'm sure he would have sprung for a coach ticket to get her off of AF1, without caring about giving Covid to more Americans on another commercial flight.

So when was Trump's last negative Covid test before he tested positive on a test taken on Thursday October 1st? Trump won't say nor allow anyone else to say when.

The White House last reported a Trump negative Covid test result multiple times way back in the month of May.

Also in the month of May, Trump whined on camera about how awful the experience of taking a Covid test was, with it's intrusive and uncomfortable swab insertions (I guess it tickles the brain, or whatever Trump has in that space).

With Trump disliking the test. And his propensity to not do what everyone else has to do (like pay taxes) if he doesn't want to.

I suspect Trump had no testing, or only a few token tests performed during the entire months of June, July, August and September.

During all four of these months the White House kept billing the president as the 'most tested person in the world'. When the White House announces something that's hard to believe, only his stupid followers actually believe. I believe Trump's Covid testing record for these four months is empty or nearly empty.

And that the only thing more embarrassing than the White House's refusal to release the testing records, is what would be disclosed if they were released.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2490485]Agreed. I'm not a Biden fan, he's way too far to the right for me. The majority of the democratic party is as corporate as the republican. And is beholden to the same donors. But I'm holding my nose and voting for him because I truly believe Trump has been a disaster for the United States. Hopefully enough true progressives can ride in on Biden's coattails and we might actually see meaningful change such as universal health care, paid education, and maybe at some point four weeks paid vacation, a UBI, and good pensions for everyone.[/QUOTE]How are you going to cope with socialism in your country? Hahaha. You might have to learn to speak Chinese soon to appease your slanty eyed paymasters who will soon be owning you. Hahaha. Do you think Harris will poison Biden's nightly glass of warm milk to take control of the world sooner? Do you think her Chinese masters will enjoy pounding her tight Indian asshole each night? Will they make her go ATM so that she gets to lick the curry off their [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] dicks? Will she swallow Chinese cum? So many questions and so few answers. We will wait three weeks to find out.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2492413]Also in the month of May, Trump whined on camera about how awful the experience of taking a Covid test was, with it's intrusive and uncomfortable swab insertions (I guess it tickles the brain, or whatever Trump has in that space).

With Trump disliking the test. And his propensity to not do what everyone else has to do (like pay taxes) if he doesn't want to.

I suspect Trump had no testing, or only a few token tests performed during the entire months of June, July, August and September.

During all four of these months the White House kept billing the president as the 'most tested person in the world'. When the White House announces something that's hard to believe, only his stupid followers actually believe. I believe Trump's Covid testing record for these four months is empty or nearly empty.

And that the only thing more embarrassing than the White House's refusal to release the testing records, is what would be disclosed if they were released.[/QUOTE]It's time to put the petulant child and his koolaid drinkers on the sidelines. Then Republicans can reclaim their party and rebuild. Vote.

I guess we can call Biden the "TV Town Hall TV ratings winner" since the early reports have Biden on ABC garnering 12.7 million sets of eyes compared to Trump and NBC with 10.4.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8848401/Biden-beats-Trump-early-TV-ratings-rival-town-halls.html?ito=push-notification&ci=41553&si=1462369[/URL]

Calling him a winner is deflated by him missing an audience like the September debate carried on 16 networks to a audience of 73 million viewers (and rerun to over 2 million more).

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/business/media/trump-biden-debate-ratings.html[/URL]

Joe had something to show & teach specifically to the 17.8 million (of that +73 million crowd) that watched the first debate via the fox network.

(CNN) Members of the White House coronavirus task force are praising a move by Twitter removing a misleading tweet from top Trump adviser Dr. Scott Atlas that told Americans masks don't work.

The tweet's removal was a "relief" among some task force members, Dr. Deborah Birx told friends over the weekend, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

Atlas, a neuroradiologist and President Donald Trump's hand-picked coronavirus adviser, had undermined the importance of face masks with misinformation in a Saturday Twitter post.

"Masks work? NO," Atlas wrote, followed by a series of misrepresentations about the science behind the effectiveness of masks in combating the pandemic.

The tweet and its subsequent removal comes as coronavirus cases spike across the US and other members of the task force have taken to the airwaves to urge Americans to heed basic mitigation strategies, including mask usage and social distancing.

According to the Washington Post, Birx recently confronted Vice President Mike Pence's office about Atlas, saying during a meeting "that she does not trust Atlas, does not believe he is giving Trump sound advice and wants him removed from the task force."

Sources have also told CNN that Birx has told friends fighting the virus is "hard enough (without Atlas)."

How are you going to cope with socialism in your country? Hahaha. For once I agree with the ED. Can't wait to see all the dumbocrats blow their gaskets on or about Nov 4! Either way I'm moving to PI next year to kick ED's ass!

(CNN) You know Covid-19 is out of control when health officials are so overwhelmed, they can't notify close contacts who may be infected.

That's what's happening in North Dakota, one of 31 states suffering more new Covid-19 cases this past week compared to the previous week.

Contact tracing is crucial to finding possible carriers of coronavirus, so they can quarantine and break the chain of infection.

But a "sharp increase" in new cases has engulfed contact tracers, leading to delays and "a backlog of positive cases that have yet to be assigned to a case investigator," the North Dakota Department of Health said this week.

"Close contacts will no longer be contacted by public health officials; instead, positive individuals will be instructed to self-notify their close contacts and direct them to the NDDoH website, where landing pages will be created. Explaining the recommended and required actions for both positive patients and close contacts."

The North Dakota National Guard has shifted 50 soldiers from contacting close contacts to notifying people who have tested positive, the state health department said.

'No safe period of time' to be maskless with someone outside your bubble.

According to a 2019 Gallup poll, 40 percent of women younger than 30 years would like to leave the USA Canada is the top destination for these would-be migrant American women. These young women clearly prefer socialism to servicing septuagenarian marshmallows. Meanwhile, all of the elderly male sex tourists are heading to Southeast Asia to live out their last days as wily old hymen busters.

On the other hand, only 20 percent of men younger than 30 would like to leave the USA However, as they approach 50, the numbers are similar to that of women. Most likely, many of these fellows have turned into sexual refugees looking to spend their later years in the developing world busting hymens.

How do you think these migrants will respond to coming deep cuts to social security payouts to those residing overseas? Pension withdrawals will be heavily taxed to pay for the recent and upcoming economic stimuli. Do you think septuagenarian American sex tourists fleeing to Southeast Asia will readily acclimate to a diet of rice and fish head soup?

Link to Gallup poll. [URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/245789/record-numbers-americans-leave.aspx[/URL].

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2495561](CNN) You know Covid-19 is out of control when health officials are so overwhelmed, they can't notify close contacts who may be infected.

That's what's happening in North Dakota, one of 31 states suffering more new Covid-19 cases this past week compared to the previous week.

Contact tracing is crucial to finding possible carriers of coronavirus, so they can quarantine and break the chain of infection.

But a "sharp increase" in new cases has engulfed contact tracers, leading to delays and "a backlog of positive cases that have yet to be assigned to a case investigator," the North Dakota Department of Health said this week.

"Close contacts will no longer be contacted by public health officials; instead, positive individuals will be instructed to self-notify their close contacts and direct them to the NDDoH website, where landing pages will be created. Explaining the recommended and required actions for both positive patients and close contacts."

The North Dakota National Guard has shifted 50 soldiers from contacting close contacts to notifying people who have tested positive, the state health department said.

'No safe period of time' to be maskless with someone outside your bubble.[/QUOTE]Let me provide some numbers related specifically to North Dakota's Covid-19 situation:

North Dakota is the fourth smallest state in population at around 762,000 residents.

According to the North Dakota Department of Health, there is a total of only 1,877 total staffed hospital beds in the entire state.

They are going to need more available beds soon, as their % of staffed beds available is today only 11.61% (Less than 140 available beds).

Some recent days in North Dakota have generated over 1,000 new cases per-day. With that volume of new cases, you have to expect that in less than a month North Dakota will have between 50 to 100 new Covid hospitalizations daily, and their current available hospital capacity won't have enough room to handle it.

Army hospital ships, like the Mercy, don't have anywhere in North Dakota to dock up and help with the expected overflow of patients.

There are many states with populations twice to five times the size of North Dakota. California's population is roughly 50 times larger.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2492448]How are you going to cope with socialism in your country? Hahaha. You might have to learn to speak Chinese soon to appease your slanty eyed paymasters who will soon be owning you. Hahaha. Do you think Harris will poison Biden's nightly glass of warm milk to take control of the world sooner? Do you think her Chinese masters will enjoy pounding her tight Indian asshole each night? Will they make her go ATM so that she gets to lick the curry off their dicks? Will she swallow Chinese cum? So many questions and so few answers. We will wait three weeks to find out.[/QUOTE]Do you think mongers will get swept up in the storm if Trump is re-elected for a second term? Certainly, a Biden win will put an end to the great awakening and septuagenarians will continue to spit roast Pinays in Flipsville for a pittance.

Fifteen states across the nation are reporting record hospitalization numbers. In Utah, health officials are on standby to convert the Salt Lake City Convention Center into a field hospital for the second time.

Just 18% of the hospital beds in Tennessee are still vacant and available. Their ICUs have only 13% available.

Oklahoma is even worse off with only 11% of hospital beds available.

North Dakota is now down to having only 20 ICU beds still available.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/hospitals-strained-icus-reach-capacity-230956404.html[/URL]

7 attendees were taken to hospitals. Overall, 30 people were "contacted" for medical reasons, the Omaha police department said in a statement.

2020 Election.

Hundreds of Trump supporters stuck on freezing cold Omaha airfield after rally, 7 taken to hospitals.

Overall, 30 people were "contacted" for medical reasons, the Omaha police department said in a statement.

Image: President Donald Trump campaign even in Omaha.

People attend a campaign event by President Donald Trump at the Eppley Airfield in Omaha, Neb. , on Tuesday, despite cold weather conditions and busy crowds. Jonathan Ernst / Reuters.

Oct. 28,2020, 5:28 AM PDT / Updated Oct. 28, 2020, 10:13 AM PDT.

By Geoff Bennett, Adela Suliman and Caroline Radnofsky.

Hundreds of President Donald Trump's supporters were left in the freezing cold for hours after a rally at an airfield in Omaha, Nebraska, on Tuesday night, with some walking around 3 miles to waiting buses and others being taken away in ambulances.

Seven people were taken to area hospitals, suffering from a variety of conditions, and there were a total of 30 "contacted" for medical reasons, the Omaha Police Department said in a statement. The Omaha Airport Authority had a slightly different figure of the number taken to hospitals it said six were "throughout the duration of the event" and added that it could not confirm that the people were taken to hospitals because of the cold.

The temperature in the area was in the mid-30's at the time, but as low as 27 degrees with wind chill.

Many of those at the rally at the Eppley Airfield faced hours in long lines to get in and clogged parking lots and busy crowds to get out, hours after Air Force One departed around 9 pm The police said the last person was loaded onto a bus at the rally site at 11:50 pm about three hours after the event had ended.

On Wednesday, Joe Biden said the incident was emblematic of "Trump's whole approach."

"Just look what happened last night in Omaha, after the Trump rally ended, hundreds of people, including older Americans and children were stranded in sub-zero freezing temperatures for hours," Biden told reporters during a brief speech in Wilmington, Delaware. "Several folks ended up in the hospital. It's an image that captured President Trump's whole approach in this crisis. He makes a lot of big pronouncements, but they don't hold up."

The police department said 25,000 people had been taken to the rally site by 40 buses running from 10:00 am Until the rally began at 8:00 pm.

According to dispatches from the department, recorded by the radio communications platform Broadcastify, at least 30 people including the elderly, an electric wheelchair user and a family with small children were among those requiring medical attention after hours of waiting in the cold.

"Supporters of the president were brought in, but buses weren't able to get back to transport people out. It's freezing and snowy in Omaha tonight," Nebraska state Sen. Megan Hunt tweeted.

NBC News has reached out to the Trump campaign, Omaha Fire / EMS and the Douglas County Sheriff's Office in Omaha and has not yet received comment.

"There's an issue with a number of people unable to find their cars and wandering in the cold. See if we can't get everybody reunited with a car," the Omaha police Dispatch 1129 recording said, according to Broadcastify.

Scatman is CNN's, oops I mean FNN's, top unpaid correspondent! Oh the imagination and energy he puts into his reports! The humanity! His noble service will be secure for the next four years! Thanks for the entertainment, Scatman!

Thanks for your usual waste of bandwidth.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2498594]Thanks for your usual waste of bandwidth.[/QUOTE]You need to give it a rest man. Your fake news reports are getting rather tiresome. Please entertain us with you acerbic wit, dark sarcasm and piss taking humor. We can read all that crap you serve on Twitter and Fuckbook.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2498594]Thanks for your usual waste of bandwidth.[/QUOTE]Dude, you've already destroyed this thread with your FNN nonsense. Give it a rest.

Not again! Trump Rally In PA Ends in Chaos With Attendees Left In Cold For Almost 2 Hours Waiting For Buses.

President Donald Trump's rally in Butler, PA had a chilling ending literally with thousands of the president's supporters left stranded in the dark and cold, waiting for almost two hours for buses to take them back to their cars. And it wasn't the first time this had happened.

A similar scene had unfolded Tuesday night at a Trump rally in Omaha, Nebraska, when Trump finished his speech and his supporters were left behind. The shuttles that had brought them from distant parking lots were no longer running, and the campaign had failed to arrange for adequate number of buses. Spending hours in frigid temperatures sent several people to the hospital and others received medical treatment at the scene.

Saturday's Trump rallies in Pennsylvania were not quite as cold as that night in Nebraska, but reporters on the ground still found people unhappy after again spending hours in low temperatures and no organized transportation back to their cars. Trump had left on Marine One and once again the buses that brought people to the rally were nowhere in sight.

CNN political reporters DJ Judd and Ryan Nobles tweeted several photos from the post-rally scene in Butler, Judd noted that "thousands of supporters who have been let loose into the night with no sign of the shuttles they've been told will take them back to parking. " According to Judd and Nobles, the temperature was 41 degrees at that time.

CNN's Anderson Cooper covered the story on AC360 Saturday evening, chatting with Nobles, who described the scene as a "logistical nightmare," with "thousands of people shoulder to shoulder, nowhere to go, no buses in sight, no direction from anyone from the Trump campaign to tell them where to go or how to get back to their parking spots."

"It became so frustrating for many of these Trump supporters, they ended up just walking," Nobles told Cooper. "That is the decision that our crew made, my producer and I walked about a mile to get to our parking lot. " According to Nobles, they passed many rally attendees who were walking at least three or four miles back to their cars.

Nobles said after he and Judd had tweeted their photos, the Trump campaign responded that they were sending buses, but it still took "more than an hour and a half."

The temperature was above freezing, Nobles acknowledged, but many of the supporters "were already sitting outside in the cold for four, five hours waiting to hear the president speak and then had to wait for an hour or longer" before the buses picked them up.

The lack of social distancing that is common at Trump rallies continued afterwards as well. Nobles described the scene with the people "packed tightly" and then crowded onto the buses.

"It was a huge headache for the thousands of people that came to this rally tonight," Nobles concluded.

Within the last hour PBS, Fox News and NPR have projected Joe Biden as the winner of Arizona and their 11 electoral votes, bringing Joe's total to 264 electoral votes.

Having not yet conceded AZ to the democrats, CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC still have Joe Biden at just 253 electoral votes.

Biden is leading in Nevada by around 8,000 votes, but I think no further counting will happen until tomorrow there.

I don't know if North Carolina or Georgia will finish its counting today.

Pennsylvania, which is becoming less important, expects to be counting until Friday.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2499512]Within the last hour PBS, Fox News and NPR have projected Joe Biden as the winner of Arizona and their 11 electoral votes, bringing Joe's total to 264 electoral votes.

Having not yet conceded AZ to the democrats, CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC still have Joe Biden at just 253 electoral votes.

Biden is leading in Nevada by around 8,000 votes, but I think no further counting will happen until tomorrow there.

I don't know if North Carolina or Georgia will finish its counting today.

Pennsylvania, which is becoming less important, expects to be counting until Friday.[/QUOTE]So long to Donald Chump and to all of his Trumptard followers who put him into office four years ago!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2499512]Within the last hour PBS, Fox News and NPR have projected Joe Biden as the winner of Arizona and their 11 electoral votes, bringing Joe's total to 264 electoral votes.

Having not yet conceded AZ to the democrats, CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC still have Joe Biden at just 253 electoral votes.

Biden is leading in Nevada by around 8,000 votes, but I think no further counting will happen until tomorrow there.

I don't know if North Carolina or Georgia will finish its counting today.

Pennsylvania, which is becoming less important, expects to be counting until Friday.[/QUOTE]Quick, I think Scatman is having an orgasm.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2499927]Quick, I think Scatman is having an orgasm.[/QUOTE]What's giving me the chubby today is watching Biden's lead in Pennsylvania move from 5,587 to 8,900.

And now stretch to a nearly 15 K lead as it now reads 3,315,156 over 3,300,413 as they keep counting more ballots mailed in from the Philly area.

Can you say President Elect Joe Biden?

Somebody get a calculator! Do the math! Was Poppa Joe who had the path! Blow the whistle! Blow the whistle! Blow the whistle!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJtzEKetBM[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2500073]What's giving me the chubby today is watching Biden's lead in Pennsylvania move from 5,587 to 8,900.

And now stretch to a nearly 15 K lead as it now reads 3,315,156 over 3,300,413 as they keep counting more ballots mailed in from the Philly area.

Can you say President Elect Joe Biden?[/QUOTE]I'ts around one in the afternoon on Saturday (PDT) and Biden's lead in PA has now stretched to over 34 K as Biden's vote count approaches 3. 346 million.

About an hour ago NBC declared Biden the winner in Pennsylvania and dancing has broken out in numerous big cities.

Trump has to feel abandoned by Fox News.

They have a duty to declare Trump the winner of North Carolina's electoral votes in his time of need!

He lost in 2020 but could Trump in win 2024?

[URL]https://www.chron.com/news/election2020/article/will-trump-run-for-president-again-2024-15707374.php[/URL]#content.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2500370]He lost in 2020 but could Trump in win 2024?

[URL]https://www.chron.com/news/election2020/article/will-trump-run-for-president-again-2024-15707374.php[/URL]#content.[/QUOTE]The horror! The horror! Oh the horror!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2499522]So long to Donald Chump and to all of his Trumptard followers who put him into office four years ago![/QUOTE]Game Over.

We've all heard of the girlfriend experience and the porn star experience. Donald Trump got the 2020 experience.

Who has been the worst American president ever so far? Well as they say, a picture doesn't lie, and can speak a 1,000 words. Whose face appears in all three circles?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2500811]Who has been the worst American president ever so far? Well as they say, a picture doesn't lie, and can speak a 1,000 words. Whose face appears in all three circles?[/QUOTE]"71,000,000 Legal Votes. The most ever for a sitting President!

Probably the most beloved American President ever. Even the best have pathetic haters.

As President Donald Trump refused to concede he lost reelection, the lame-duck president remained out of sight Monday while his White House advisers largely stayed silent.

For a president who has reveled in fighting his enemies, real and perceived, the relative silence from his top deputies -- aside from certain loyalists like his personal attorney and sons -- spoke volumes. He's putting his lame ass fully into his lame duck stature.

Trump himself had no public events scheduled after spending the weekend golfing and tweeting falsehoods about the election results. He has not taken questions from reporters in a week, and save for remarks on Thursday in which he made a series of false allegations about voting fraud, has not spoken publicly.

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-white-house-largely-silent-refuses-concede/story?id=74105308&cid=clicksource_4380645_12_three_posts_card_hed[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2500916]"71,000,000 Legal Votes. The most ever for a sitting President!

Probably the most beloved American President ever. Even the best have pathetic haters.[/QUOTE]If you say so buddy. Hahaha! Just so happens the winner got 75,000,000 "legal votes" (and growing). See you in four years!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2500916]"71,000,000 Legal Votes. The most ever for a sitting President!

Probably the most beloved American President ever. Even the best have pathetic haters.[/QUOTE]Barack Obama got 69 million votes back when that was worth something.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2500811]Who has been the worst American president ever so far? Well as they say, a picture doesn't lie, and can speak a 1,000 words. Whose face appears in all three circles?[/QUOTE]He always said he was the best. Yep, the only impeached, one-term President who lost the popular vote. Impressive!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501158]

...Donald Trump will go to history as one of the most popular presidents in the history of USA. Only election fraud could stop him, or could it? [/QUOTE]
Are you a QAnon Fan? No brain? Trump is the biggest Mafia-Gangster ever seen. Cheating- lying non stop and producing nothing than big chaos for the USA. And then tell what kind of big deals he make. Peace in Afghanistan - Taliban close schools for woman every 2nd day a terror attack! - Syria - Erdogan made 2 mio curds to refugees, before they fight IS, which is coming back. Really great peace deals! Israel with the Emirates. Good arms deal, bad luck for the Palestinians!
Lock them up! If he is no more president he will change the White House with a nice prison room for the next 10-20 years - togheter with Giuliani / Barr / McConell / Banon and of course most of his Mafia Family and half of the Rep. Senate for let him come away in the impeachment...


- But I don't know, what this has to do with our hobby?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2501204]Are you a QAnon Fan? No brain? Trump is the biggest Mafia-Gangster ever seen. Cheating- lying non stop and producing nothing than big chaos for the USA. And then tell what kind of big deals he make. Peace in Afghanistan - Taliban close schools for woman every 2nd day a terror attack! - Syria - Erdogan made 2 mio curds to refugees, before they fight IS, which is coming back. Really great peace deals! Israel with the Emirates. Good arms deal, bad luck for the Palestinians!
Lock them up! If he is no more president he will change the White House with a nice prison room for the next 10-20 years - togheter with Giuliani / Barr / McConell / Banon and of course most of his Mafia Family and half of the Rep. Senate for let him come away in the impeachment...


- But I don't know, what this has to do with our hobby?[/QUOTE]No brain seems like a perfect way to sum you up.

LOL, Trump is "the biggest Mafia-Gangster ever seen, LMFAO! You are obviously a hater who lets his precious emotions get the better of him, but tell me, exactly how big is your tinfoil hat?

Did Trump lie? Do you media like CNN, MSNBC, NYT and WP lie? Do politicians from the Democrats lie? The answer is yes, and you want to cry because Trump lied? LMFAO! He took the fight with crooked media and the people loved him for it! That you hate and lie about him is irrelevant.

Did Trump do any wonders in Afghanistan and Syria? Did he clean up the mess that Obama and Biden left for him? No, I never said that he is God. He is good, not God.

But he did some truly great and historic deals. The peace between UAE and Israel, Bahrain and Israel. Flights resumed between Israel and Morocco. Trump got rid of the toxic Iran-mess that Obama and Biden created. He took out one of the worlds biggest terrorists, Qasim Soleimani. Not to mention that he tightened the sanctions against Cuba that Obiden had eased up.

Trump took the fight with China. Trump was the president that finally put some pressure on European nations to take their commitments to NATO seriously. He took the fight with the corrupt and deeply dysfunctional UN. Trump stopped the contributions to terrorist supporting Palestine.

Not to mention that he nominated three supreme court justices. He took on big pharma and it probably cost him the election when for instance Pfizer hid their progress on the vaccine against Covid-19.

When I first wrote that Trump will go to history as one of the most popular presidents it was simply due to the fact that he reached the second-highest number of votes of all time, but when I look at all his accomplishments I have to salute his work.

If he goes to prison it will be a big failure for USA and final sign that it is not a democracy.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501158]Last time I checked 69 was still less than 71. Soon to be 72. But I've heard that you Democrats got a funny way of counting votes.

Obama, you really want to bring him up? The guy who managed to scare away roughly 4 million of his own voters during his 4 year presidency. Let's put that in perspective, Trump attracted 9 million more votes after his term. That's a difference of 13 million votes! That must burn. Trump must have done something right and Obama something wrong.[/QUOTE]Obama got reelected where the Donald got shown the door when asking for four more years of failure.

After four years of Trump, 75 to 76 million voted to kick his ass out of Washington. That must feel nice.

A name that will be associated in American history with the likes of Benedict Arnold, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and Richard Nixon.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2501239]Obama got reelected where the Donald got shown the door when asking for four more years of failure. After four years of Trump, 75 to 76 million voted to kick his ass out of Washington. That must feel nice.[/QUOTE]Feels real nice! Quite nice!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501254]A name that will be associated in American history with the likes of Benedict Arnold, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and Richard Nixon.[/QUOTE]Insult to those upstanding leaders, LOL. Trump is special in his sociopathy, defensive-reactivity, mean spiritedness, incompetence and his assault fundimental institutions of democracy.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501254]A name that will be associated in American history with the likes of Benedict Arnold, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and Richard Nixon.[/QUOTE]Nancy Pelosi.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501331]Nancy Pelosi.[/QUOTE]Come on! You can do better than that! Actually, probably not.

You see what happens when you got to tell the truth under oath. Its over, but if you man you take the ass kicking:

Mailman who is key PA 'voter fraud' witness 'recants completely' [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935837/Mailman-key-PA-voter-fraud-witness-Pennsylvania-recants-completely.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead[/URL].

[QUOTE=Psychman;2501303]Insult to those upstanding leaders, LOL. Trump is special in his sociopathy, defensive-reactivity, mean spiritedness, incompetence and his assault fundimental institutions of democracy.[/QUOTE]Your words match your handle precisely.

He knows he has lost, but you Trump supporters, he wants you to contribute to him and you will be [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] enough to do it.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/donations-trump-legal-fund-spent-on-paying-off-campaign-debt-2020-11[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501222]


...Did Trump lie? Do you media like CNN, MSNBC, NYT and WP lie?...

...The peace between UAE and Israel, Bahrain and Israel. Flights resumed between Israel and Morocco.
...He took out one of the worlds biggest terrorists, Qasim Soleimani.
...Trump took the fight with China. Trump was the president that finally put some pressure on European nations to take their commitments to NATO seriously.
...Not to mention that he nominated three supreme court justices...

[/QUOTE]Oh my Buddha!

- CNN lies. And TRUMP lies 99% of all -when he open the mouth. He lies. Because for him it's a TV show to manage USA.

- resumed flights between Israel and Morocco. Great and sell a lot of weapons to UAE. About all the suffer for Palastina. No problem, because there is no profit for him.

- Fight with China. Chaos everywhere and not 1 good deal for USA!

- under Obama it was not possible to nominate someone 10 month before election. But TRUMP did it against the majority of Americans 10 days before election and created on top a nice Covid19 super spreader event in the White House. But of course there is no COVID19 in your reality!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2501186]He always said he was the best. Yep, the only impeached, one-term President who lost the popular vote. Impressive![/QUOTE]Trump said he hasn't lost yet, he is filing lawsuits in several states and believes he will be re-elected for four more years once all the 'legal' votes are counted.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2501186]He always said he was the best. Yep, the only impeached, one-term President who lost the popular vote. Impressive![/QUOTE]Donald Trump is the only American president never to achieve a 50% approval rating during his presidency. Not even once did he crack that. Impeached. One-term president. Lost the popular vote each time (and by an even larger margin the second time). Less than a 50% approval rating during his entire time in office. Make America great again? Right! Well now, maybe we can.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2501441]Oh my Buddha!

- CNN lies. And TRUMP lies 99% of all -when he open the mouth. He lies. Because for him it's a TV show to manage USA.

- resumed flights between Israel and Morocco. Great and sell a lot of weapons to UAE. About all the suffer for Palastina. No problem, because there is no profit for him.

- Fight with China. Chaos everywhere and not 1 good deal for USA!

- under Obama it was not possible to nominate someone 10 month before election. But TRUMP did it against the majority of Americans 10 days before election and created on top a nice Covid19 super spreader event in the White House. But of course there is no COVID19 in your reality![/QUOTE]Obama set the precedent when he went ahead and nominated his candidate anyways. So stop crying and accept it.

Palestine will have every chance to blossom as a country as soon as they care more about their children's future than to kill innocent Israelis and financially reward terrorists.

Selling weapons to UAE is good, it's an ally against Iran. Totally uncontroversial and a great country in my mind.

I find your ramblings rather inane.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501555]Donald Trump is the only American president never to achieve a 50% approval rating during his presidency. Not even once did he crack that. Impeached. One-term president. Lost the popular vote each time (and by an even larger margin the second time). Less than a 50% approval rating during his entire time in office. Make America great again? Right! Well now, maybe we can.[/QUOTE]What polls are you referring to? Don't bother replying. I know it is the totally unreliable network media news polls? Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. I repeat: Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. Both Trump and Obama were below 50% in the Rasmussen poll during the majority their respective presidencies.

Here is a mindblower for you: The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday Nov 11,2020 shows that 53% of Likely USA Voters approve of President Trump's job performance. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov11[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501646]What polls are you referring to? Don't bother replying. I know it is the totally unreliable network media news polls? Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. I repeat: Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. Both Trump and Obama were below 50% in the Rasmussen poll during the majority their respective presidencies.

Here is a mindblower for you: The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday Nov 11,2020 shows that 53% of Likely USA Voters approve of President Trump's job performance. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov11[/URL][/QUOTE]If you didn't want a response, then why ask the question? I'll tell you what. You got your sources and I got mine. But Donald Trump got to get his ass out of the White House. That's what I care about! Speculation is that he will run again in 2024. Glutton for humiliation and punishment.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501646]What polls are you referring to? Don't bother replying. I know it is the totally unreliable network media news polls? Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. I repeat: Rasmussen is the only polling organization that got it right in 2016 and 2020. Both Trump and Obama were below 50% in the Rasmussen poll during the majority their respective presidencies.

Here is a mindblower for you: The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday Nov 11,2020 shows that 53% of Likely USA Voters approve of President Trump's job performance. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov11[/URL][/QUOTE]What did Rasmussen get right in 2016? Don't bother replying. They predicted that Hillary would win the popular vote by a few percentage points. Big deal. I repeat. Big deal. Come election day most of the more recognized polls had her winning the same by four points or less. More facts? Late 2020 Rasmussen polls showed Biden with a very slight national lead over Trump, 1% nationally, but damn, that was wrong as it left plenty of room for a Trump win, plus as it's currently 3. 3 and counting.

More facts?

Late Rasmussen polls had Biden up one point in FL, wrong, had Trump winning AZ by three points, wrong, had Cunningham defeating Tillis, NC senate by 3, wrong, just to name a few. So yea, here's the mindblower for you, Rasmussen isn't the gold standard on Trump or Obama approval rating polls. Nor are the other poll services frankly, partly because sampling errors are so common. Landlines are dying, and people often block or don't pick up for callers they don't know. It's a tough business nowadays.

Here though is your best approval rating poll, popular vote, Biden 50.8, Trump 47.5 and of actual voters. Take out the Evangelicals who'd vote for Atilla the Hun if he's against legal abortions, even though those are going to go on anyway, and you're closer to the mainstream polls than the right leaning Rasmussen.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/older_content/home/top_stories/most_recent_articles[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501671] You got your sources and I got mine. But Donald Trump got to get his ass out of the White House. That's what I care about! [/QUOTE]That's the bottom line.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501671]If you didn't want a response, then why ask the question? I'll tell you what. You got your sources and I got mine. But Donald Trump got to get his ass out of the White House. That's what I care about! Speculation is that he will run again in 2024. Glutton for humiliation and punishment.[/QUOTE]Because I was making a rhetorical point about the state of American polling. You can use / read any poll you like. But when use polls that have been consistently inaccurate for years it undermines whatever argument you are trying to make.

Question: Why are you so fixated on Trump? For good or evil it is 99% certain that Biden will be the next President of the USA. You should be happy your guy won. Instead, all I hear from your side is Trump Trump Trump. I will make you a wager: the terms are the loser pays the winner the total cost of a night out in a Lounge, a Go Go, or a Club in either Sao Paulo or BKK (winner's choice) including the price of the girl (ST) - I say Trump never runs for President again and you say he runs in 2024.

I will make you a 2nd wager (same terms / amount): I say Biden does not serve out his 4 year term.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501705]What did Rasmussen get right in 2016? Don't bother replying. They predicted that Hillary would win the popular vote by a few percentage points. Big deal. I repeat. Big deal. Come election day most of the more recognized polls had her winning the same by four points or less. More facts? Late 2020 Rasmussen polls showed Biden with a very slight national lead over Trump, 1% nationally, but damn, that was wrong as it left plenty of room for a Trump win, plus as it's currently 3. 3 and counting.[/QUOTE]All polls by their statistical nature have between 2% to 3% uncertainty. This should not a political issue. Pollsters should be above politics and the relative accuracy of their forecasts should be the only issue.

So, maybe you don't like polls or maybe you just don't like the most accurate poll because in 2020 it poured a little cold water on your leftist dreams of a "Blue Wave". I don't know, but here are the facts:

Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday, November 02,2020 had Trump & Biden are in a near tie with Biden edging the president 48% to 47%. Three percent (3%) like some other candidate, and two percent (2%) are still undecided."

So, what other poll was as accurate in 2020? And more to the point, all the other Real Clear Politics tracked polls were off during the entire 2020 election campaign cycle by 7%, 10% and even 15%. What do you think accounts for this huge overstatement in Biden's lead?

In 2016: Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday Nov. 7, had Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by Real Clear Politics came as close to the final results. So again, show me a better poll.

As to state elections the Trafalgar Group was the most accurate. Were they 100% right, NO, it was a close and uncertain election, but show me another pollster who forecast it better?

[URL]https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501705]Here though is your best approval rating poll, popular vote, Biden 50.8, Trump 47.5 and of actual voters. [/QUOTE]Paulie, I would like to add an addendum to my original post to you. If you are saying that all polls are inherently inaccurate, I would tend to agree in the strictest sense. All statistical models contain random error or noise and polls are statistical models. The unbiased, independent, distribution of the random error should be no more than 2% to 3% or the model is not valid statistically speaking. All pollsters know this. The problem with modern polling is that most pollsters have decided to "cook the books" to obtain a desired outcome that will satisfy their paying customers, the corporate media. For example, if you want to increase candidate X's forecast percentage over candidate why, simply add more of candidate x's likely supporters to the sample while reducing candidate why's likely supporter by the commensurate amount. It is easy. This explains why, pick any mainstream corporate media poll, the pollster chooses to include likely Democrat voters at 39% of the poll and likely Republican voters at 30% in the same poll. Thus, by fidgeting around with the sample percentages you arrive at the desired forecast, whatever you want.

Thus, whoever had the most accurate poll is the most honest pollster. The proof of which is you can bet your last dollar that the internal polling for both the Democratic party and The Republican party was fully accurate and precise to the minimum random error factor because it was unbiased. What we the people get on nightly news, on the other hand, is mostly BS. Thank you corporate media.

So, I differ a little with you on the worth of accurate, unbiased polling. It can be quite precise and useful. But I 100% agree with you that the only poll that really matters is the vote. Although it must be noted that the 2020 vote was tampered with. Biden won, but the count was fraudulent and this was not a fair and honest election. I think everyone knows this whether some people want to admit to it or not is another issue entirely.

[URL]https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-securebrowser&type=3197&param1=19f64e570c8a4e10bb0d79be49cbcaee&param2=20200308&param3=Avast%20Secure%20Browser|86.0.6531.112&param4=17|US|2.0.173|1.23.0.675&p=johns[/URL]+hopkins+coronavirus+map.

According to some dumbass: If you don't test, you don't get cases.

And if you don't fund contagious disease tracing, you don't stop preventable outbreaks.

My son had dinner with his girlfriend and three of their friends on Sunday, October 25nd.

One of the dinner guests noticed minor Covid symptoms on Wednesday, October 28th, and was tested.

The next day, the dinner guest's results came back as positive.

Coincidentally that same Thursday both I and my son (who lives in my condo with me) felt tired, lethargic, but displayed no other symptoms.

My son and his girlfriend both were tested on Thursday, and both got positive results the same Thursday night. My son's girlfriend lives with her family.

Neither my son, nor his girlfriend has experienced any serious symptoms, and hardly noticed any.

The medical agency that gave my son the positive test result (his health insurer) had cleared my son (in text writing) to return to work on Monday, November 9th.

Presumably the clearance was based solely on my son developing no serious symptoms within 14 days of exposure, since he has done no subsequent retesting.

The company he works for in Santa Ana is a tech / communications company that employs between 12 to 20 people in a free standing 4,000 to 5,000 sq. Ft. Single story tilt-up light industrial building.

His employer asked my son to wait until Tuesday before returning to work in order to prepare everyone at work for his return.

He normally has brief, close, short contact with roughly half the employees once or more daily. I imagine some are trying to keep their distance from him, for now.

He and I have been staying at different ends of the condo. I still consider his half to be heavily infected and a no-go zone.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501784]Because I was making a rhetorical point about the state of American polling. You can use / read any poll you like. But when use polls that have been consistently inaccurate for years it undermines whatever argument you are trying to make.

Question: Why are you so fixated on Trump? For good or evil it is 99% certain that Biden will be the next President of the USA. You should be happy your guy won. Instead, all I hear from your side is Trump Trump Trump. I will make you a wager: the terms are the loser pays the winner the total cost of a night out in a Lounge, a Go Go, or a Club in either Sao Paulo or BKK (winner's choice) including the price of the girl (ST) - I say Trump never runs for President again and you say he runs in 2024.

I will make you a 2nd wager (same terms / amount): I say Biden does not serve out his 4 year term.[/QUOTE]Maybe because he's acting like a two-bit, penny ante dictator whose behavior threatens American democracy? You think? Maybe? And once his ass leaves the White House, I'm done thinking about him. He will be the Republican party's problem then, and not the country's. Great, because they deserve one another! And I don't give a damn if he runs again or not, because if he does run and people are stupid enough to help him win the GOP nomination one more time, then we will just show up in even larger numbers than we did this time and shut him down. Again!

And nope, not going to bet you on Poppa Joe because what you're saying is something along the lines of what I've been thinking and telling people all along. This is what I think is going to happen. Joe Biden is either going to die and / or become incapacitated in first term, and that's how we will get the first female president of the United States. Kamala Harris will then run and win the Democratic nomination in her own right after a hard fought battle. She will go up against a white, male Republican (cannot say who yet but don't think Trump), who very well may have a woman on his ticket, and who will defeat Harris for the presidency.

That's what I think will happen. An alternative scenario would be Biden actually making it through one full term, after which time he declines to run for a second. Harris still runs and gets the Democratic nomination, and she still loses to a white, male Republican challenger who I cannot name yet (but again not Trump), and who may have a white female on the GOP ticket for Vice President. This is what I see transpiring. Either way, we get at least four years of Democratic control of the White House and Trumpism, if not dead, holds no significant federal power and influence. Cut off the head, and the body dies. And American democracy lives.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501854]In 2016: Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday Nov. 7, had Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by Real Clear Politics came as close to the final results. So again, show me a better poll.[/QUOTE]So Natty:

You comment a lot on election numbers.

But you don't really seem to know what you are writing about.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton received 65.85 million votes (48.2%) while Donald Trump received 62.98 million votes 46.1%.

You incorrectly and foolishly wrote:

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501854]In 2016: Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday Nov. 7, had Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point[/QUOTE]You write that the Rasmussen poll had Clinton up 2 points.

Then you write that won the popular vote by 1 point.

When in the real world, where I live, Clinton wound up 2. 1% in the vote, just as Rasmussen predicted, despite your disingenuous misreporting.

Trump is basically left to just being able to dick around with two states, Georgia and Wisconsin. Pathetically less than what he needs.

The recount is already happening in Georgia.

The recount could begin in Wisconsin as soon as Thursday November 19th.

The problem for the Trump campaign is that a Wisconsin recount needs to prepaid-upfront. The estimate just came in at $7. 9 million for a state-wide recount in Wisconsin and it would be completed two weeks from today on December 1st.

I really don't think Trump would be willing to up-front spend $8 million for the full recount. To save money, Trump could narrow his request and seek a recount in just a handful of counties instead of all 72 of them. Makes sense for crack Trump investigators to pinpoint and recount only the counties where fraud pushed Biden up and over the legal votes. Hehehe.

Trump campaign spokeswoman Anna Kelly did not immediately react to the state's cost estimates. Those 72 counties are currently completing their canvasses of the vote now, and the last counties are expected to finish them Tuesday (a fall back date to my conclusion).

I think this "All Wisconsin Counties vs Select Wisconsin Counties" decision will give Trump cover for a few more days, without having to pony up any money for a (not worth it) desperate Wisconsin recount.

Trump won the state of Wisconsin by IIRC something like 20,000 to 22,000 votes in 2016, and lost by the same amount in 2020. Very close votes both times, but bigger margins than an expensive recount is likely to reverse.

However the recount in Georgia will be completed this week, and the price, from Trump's perspective, was right! Georgia, not Trump, is going to pay for its recount.

Georgia law requires that one race be audited to check that new election machines counted the ballots accurately, not because of any suspected problems with the results. Republican GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger chose to audit the presidential race. Democrat Joe Biden leads Republican President Donald Trump by roughly 14,000 votes. Meant a full hand count was necessary.

By law this Georgia recount is to be completed on Friday this week. Brad Raffensperger previously said the deadline will be met.

With around 5 million voters in Georgia, if the approx. 14,000 vote Biden lead holds in the recount this week, expect Trump to cave instead of pressing on.

On the patheticity scale, there's not much room left. But then Trump has kicked up to and reached a new levels of pathetic continuously throughout his.

Campaign.

Term.

Fame.

Lifetime.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501882]
So, I differ a little with you on the worth of accurate, unbiased polling. It can be quite precise and useful. But I 100% agree with you that the only poll that really matters is the vote. Although it must be noted that the 2020 vote was tampered with. Biden won, but the count was fraudulent and this was not a fair and honest election. I think everyone knows this whether some people want to admit to it or not is another issue entirely.[/QUOTE]I just happened in here and realized that you took the time to write me a couple of essays. I scanned over them. On the election outcome, quit crying. There's always some fraud here and there in elections, but there's no proof of any widespread fraud or that that would change the outcome of the election. The dead people voting on mass has been debunked from here to Sunday, as has other viral nonsense. Be unlike the toddler in chief Trump, be a man, not a snowflake, and admit that you lost fair and square, and by a sizeable margin. The people said no to Trump loud and clear.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/dead-voter-conspiracy-theory-debunked[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410[/URL]

As to Rasmussen, still not impressed. For one thing they were the least accurate of the bunch going into the 2018 midterms, predicting that the Repubs would hold the majority. Again polling is a tough business nowadays, largely due to the fact that landlines are growing fewer and fewer.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05[/URL]

P.S. I'm fine with no blue wave. I'm just a moderate that wants a flaming crook out of power, him and his base that are destroying democratic norms, race baiting and inflaming divisions in our country. Now write me up another essay. I may or may not make it back to read it, If not then you'll feel better getting the last word in, and I'll continue to feel great that we won the election and that your bragging about Rasmussen was shown to be overblown.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501978]Maybe because he's acting like a two-bit, penny ante dictator whose behavior threatens American democracy? You think? Maybe? And once his ass leaves the White House, I'm done thinking about him.[/QUOTE]There ya go.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501882]corporate media.[/QUOTE]This is the new pejorative / buzzword, signifying the faithful have abandoned Fox since they called the election for Biden. Now they can be found feasting on their conspiracy theories and other fantasies at News Max, One America News or with Alex Jones at Info Wars. Random tweets and blog entries of course count as credible sources, especially if they are presented in all caps and with exclamation marks.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2503846]I just happened in here and realized that you took the time to write me a couple of essays. I scanned over them. On the election outcome, quit crying. There's always some fraud here and there in elections, but there's no proof of any widespread fraud or that that would change the outcome of the election. The dead people voting on mass has been debunked from here to Sunday, as has other viral nonsense. Be unlike the toddler in chief Trump, be a man, not a snowflake, and admit that you lost fair and square, and by a sizeable margin. The people said no to Trump loud and clear.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/dead-voter-conspiracy-theory-debunked[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410[/URL]

As to Rasmussen, still not impressed. For one thing they were the least accurate of the bunch going into the 2018 midterms, predicting that the Repubs would hold the majority. Again polling is a tough business nowadays, largely due to the fact that landlines are growing fewer and fewer.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05[/URL]

P.S. I'm fine with no blue wave. I'm just a moderate that wants a flaming crook out of power, him and his base that are destroying democratic norms, race baiting and inflaming divisions in our country. Now write me up another essay. I may or may not make it back to read it, If not then you'll feel better getting the last word in, and I'll continue to feel great that we won the election and that your bragging about Rasmussen was shown to be overblown.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing. Trump supporters want to believe all of the "fraud" stuff because their guy lost. Remember that last week, the LT. Governor of Texas has offered $1,000,000 to anyone, anywhere, who can provide him with verifiable instances of voter fraud. Any idea how much he's given away so far? Zip, zilch, nada.

Trump supporters are like flies. A bee can tell a fly all day long that pollen tastes better than * but the fly will never listen.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2504015]Here's the thing. Trump supporters want to believe all of the "fraud" stuff because their guy lost. Remember that last week, the LT. Governor of Texas has offered $1,000,000 to anyone, anywhere, who can provide him with verifiable instances of voter fraud. Any idea how much he's given away so far? Zip, zilch, nada.

Trump supporters are like flies. A bee can tell a fly all day long that pollen tastes better than * but the fly will never listen.[/QUOTE]They are welcome to engage in their fantasies, but on the sidelines, not from positions of political power. It's worth adding that they are more than welcome to try and prove their assertions in court. That's going quite poorly, though Rudy and the boys have raised a lot of $ from the faithful. That's probably what is all about anyway, that and solidifying the victimization to fuel the movement once Dump leaves office.

I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. That is why I thought Trump would get elected again. I feel sorry for all the people that voted for Biden as he will do exactly what he has done for the last 47 years and the people that voted for him will not get all the free crap he promised. They will be the ones hurt in this. Trump definitly isn't politically correct and he is a typical arrogant New Yorker but he got things done. Now we get bigger government, higher taxes, higher health insurance, electric bills that will go up 200-400% Small businesses will go broke trying to keep up with new environmental regulations. We will go back into the Paris Green deal. We will let China steal all our technology and wipe out our manufacturing industry like the Obama years. And the far left will blame Trump for everything.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504146]I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. That is why I thought Trump would get elected again. I feel sorry for all the people that voted for Biden as he will do exactly what he has done for the last 47 years and the people that voted for him will not get all the free crap he promised. They will be the ones hurt in this. Trump definitly isn't politically correct and he is a typical arrogant New Yorker but he got things done. Now we get bigger government, higher taxes, higher health insurance, electric bills that will go up 200-400% Small businesses will go broke trying to keep up with new environmental regulations. We will go back into the Paris Green deal. We will let China steal all our technology and wipe out our manufacturing industry like the Obama years. And the far left will blame Trump for everything.[/QUOTE]Trump didn't get much of anything done. Lots of simple solutions to complex problems that don't get resolved. But call it a victory anyway. Just like the fascist demagogue that he is. By the way, I've been to those communist countries that you note, and if you can't see the difference between Joe Biden and the leaders of those countries, then it's you and your conclusions about Biden the man and the politician that aren't very smart. You've been gulping down the right-wing Kool-Aid! No, I knew Trump wouldn't win again because Donald Trump's America was never "America". He didn't win the popular vote the first time, and I knew he would lose that by an even wider margin this time, which would translate into enough electoral votes for Biden to win. Good riddance!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2504154]Trump didn't get much of anything done. Lots of simple solutions to complex problems that don't get resolved. But call it a victory anyway. Just like the fascist demagogue that he is. By the way, I've been to those communist countries that you note, and if you can't see the difference between Joe Biden and the leaders of those countries, then it's you and your conclusions about Biden the man and the politician that aren't very smart. You've been gulping down the right-wing Kool-Aid! No, I knew Trump wouldn't win again because Donald Trump's America was never "America". He didn't win the popular vote the first time, and I knew he would lose that by an even wider margin this time, which would translate into enough electoral votes for Biden to win. Good riddance![/QUOTE]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes.

I like smaller government, less regulations and lower taxes. I don't believe in free education, free health care for illegals. If you think Biden is going to make 4 years as president with Harris ready to take over as president you are dreaming. Bernie, AOC, Omar and the squad will push Biden to do as they want or force him out. Only hope for America is GOP winning the senate. If you can't see what Trump does you must watch CNN and MSNBC instead of real news.

Lower taxes.

Getting rid of Iran deal.

Getting rid of Paris Accord.

Peace in the Middle East.

Reducing stupid regulations on small business.

Most stability with and. Korea than any other president.

Protecting USA manufacturing from China.

Protecting USA technology from China.

Trade agreement with Canada and USA.

Bringing back thousands of jobs from overseas and Billions of dollars back.

Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics ever.

Funding for Black colleges.

This is 11 of the 40 or so things he did.

I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years.

Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years.

Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes. I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years. Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years. Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.[/QUOTE]And he's the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln too! LOL! I'm a well-educated, well-traveled man who doesn't waste my time debating with Trumptards. It's hopeless, and you insult my intelligence, citing all of those "accomplishments" as something "good". I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to defeat the likes of you fair and square, and to win! And that's just what we did too. Biden won, and people better start getting used to it. I was born in the United States, so I don't need a green card. And I've definitely paid more taxes than Donald Trump has! Now, about that trade.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes.

I like smaller government, less regulations and lower taxes. I don't believe in free education, free health care for illegals. If you think Biden is going to make 4 years as president with Harris ready to take over as president you are dreaming. Bernie, AOC, Omar and the squad will push Biden to do as they want or force him out. Only hope for America is GOP winning the senate. If you can't see what Trump does you must watch CNN and MSNBC instead of real news.

Lower taxes.

Getting rid of Iran deal.

Getting rid of Paris Accord.

Peace in the Middle East.

Reducing stupid regulations on small business.

Most stability with and. Korea than any other president.

Protecting USA manufacturing from China.

Protecting USA technology from China.

Trade agreement with Canada and USA.

Bringing back thousands of jobs from overseas and Billions of dollars back.

Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics ever.

Funding for Black colleges.

This is 11 of the 40 or so things he did.

I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years.

Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years.

Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.[/QUOTE]Also I don't want to defund the police, I support the military, I stand for both Canada and USA anthem, I don't believe in protecting the looters that vandalize businesses, and I believe all lives matter. I would rather have an asshole businessman running the country and looking after its citizens than a lifetime politician who promises everything to everyone and does nothing. So I can never be a democrat.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504209]So I can never be a democrat.[/QUOTE]That's quite OK. We are going to do just fine without you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2504211]That's quite OK. We are going to do just fine without you.[/QUOTE]I agree. All the democratic cities are doing great. Portland, Seattle, New York, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Minneapolis. Great democratic cities that everyone is leaving. Biden will try to make all our cities that great. Obviously you don't live in one of them.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504215]I agree. All the democratic cities are doing great. Portland, Seattle, New York, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Minneapolis. Great democratic cities that everyone is leaving. Biden will try to make all our cities that great. Obviously you don't live in one of them.[/QUOTE]You don't have a clue where I live, but it is urban / suburban. And now is the time. Make America great again! Has a familiar ring to it huh?

[QUOTE=Canada;2504146]I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. .[/QUOTE]You are just red baiting is all, and as a result of buying hook, line, and sinker simplistic and disingeuous arguments that conservative politicians and talking heads have used to get elected and / or enrich themselves. If unfamiliar, look up the term "red baiting. " Consider the Nordic countries, all of which are Democratic Socialist. The people are generally happy, poverty rates are very low, and as a whole they are well educated. They have freedom of speech, the press and all that good stuff. Also the US has had Socialism for over 100 years, examples being public education, meat inspection, Medicare and Social Security, and the list goes on and on. All developed economies contain Socialism + Capitalist principles, and thus are called "mixed economies. " The question isn't whether to have Socialism or not, but how much. It's an ongoing discussion, and there's a place for conservatives, liberals, and moderates at the table.

Your complaints about China, Venezuela, Russia, and the like are complaints about autocrats which can come in either right or left wing versions. Both represent two sides of the same coin. Trump is essentially an autocrat that does whatever he pleases, undermines the press calling them the "enemy" and anything he doesn't like "fake news. " he constantly lies to us, fires on the spot all he deems disloyal, and the list goes on. His few accomplishments are outweighed as he's ran up the national debt with his corporate tax breaks, is responsible for the loss of untold 1000's of lives with his politicizing, wise ass attitude about masks and Covid denialism, has diminished our standing and leading role in the world with his isolationism, and has continually stoked racial divisions in our country. And he is as a matter of course playing the race card now undermining American democracy with baseless, broad based election fraud conspiracy theories targeting cities with large numbers of black voters. The guy is a bigot and doesn't even hide it, is his calling card, and those who refuse to acknowledge it are part of the problem. His international election fraud conspiracy, that spans from Venezuela to London, to George Soros to Hillary Clinton, to the long dead Hugo Chavez and of course, "Antifa" LOL would be hilarious if the matter weren't serious. And it's only so serious because there are so many people in this country so stupid as to believe it. Rudy Giuliani's fiasco with his hair dye though is hilarious regardless. LOL And do not donate any money to that cause. It will only to go pay these shister lawyers, none of which are election law specialists, and for the future political aspirations for the Trump family.

[URL]https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/11/giuliani-alleges-a-vast-international-conspiracy-to-steal-the-election-from-trump/[/URL]

No pal there's a lot more going on here than just being a NYC asshole. It's time for Republicans to show the backbone they've been missing for four years now, move beyond Trump, and field a legitimate conservative candidate.

P.S. Socialism and Communism aren't the same thing, regardless of what Hannity or Tucker Carlson might say. Study that one.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]I don't believe in free education.[/QUOTE]No public education. Interesting concept. There's plenty of evidence to show that educated societies are more successful, economically, plus more humane with less crime. I'm glad the American people disagree with you. Ultimately that's what matters.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Bernie, AOC, Omar and the squad will push Biden to do as they want or force him out. [/QUOTE]Okay, the sky is falling. LOL It didn't work. The election is over. And we have this thing called balance of power that can shift every two years.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192] If you can't see what Trump does you must watch CNN and MSNBC instead of real news. [/QUOTE]Pot calling the kettle black. So what is the "real" news? Hannity? Tucker Carlson? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. How about Alex Jones? News Max? Qanon? Any Trump tweet in all caps? You are obviously being served up biased fare, so don't talk about bias.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Lower taxes.[/QUOTE]As the national debt mushroomed (pre-Covid), contrary to the false promises of the Trump administration that the cuts will pay for themselves. They also mostly benefitted corporations and those in higher income brackets.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/?sh=71145b3666c4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Getting rid of Iran deal. [/QUOTE]You assume that's something good, but make no such case. Our relations with Iran have never been worse, and some of the Trump policies are plenty questionable.

[URL]https://www.cfr.org/report/evaluating-trump-administrations-iran-policy[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Getting rid of Paris Accord.[/QUOTE]Bad idea, if you believe in science. Trump doesn't though thus the Covid fiasco. Don't worry though, we'll be getting back in shortly. Generally we need to work with our friends, not isolate.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Peace in the Middle East. [/QUOTE]The jury is still out on that one, in spite of Trump's hubris. How long have we been talking about "peace" in that region?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-middle-east-accord-israel-bahrain-uae-illusion-of-peace-2020-9[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Reducing stupid regulations on small business. [/QUOTE]Too vague. You're just reciting talking points.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Most stability with and. Korea than any other president. [/QUOTE]You're back to parroting talking points. He's still launching missles and expanding his nuclear capabilities.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/21515145/north-korea-trump-usa-nuclear-war-interview[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Protecting USA manufacturing from China. Protecting USA technology from China. [/QUOTE]It's easy to recite talking points. The hard part comes when it's time to back them up. Do some research and present some arguments. The merits of his China policy are all very much debatable.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/research/lessons-from-the-trump-administrations-policy-experiment-on-china/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/06/16/how-trump-tried-to-change-chinas-trade-policies-and-failed/?sh=31126b036c2b[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Bringing back thousands of jobs from overseas and Billions of dollars back. [/QUOTE]He inherited a trend of increased job creation established under the Obama administration, but blew it all mishandling the pandemic. In the end manufacturing jobs were lost on his watch.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics ever. [/QUOTE]You say "ever" but records have only been kept for this since 1972. He blew all of this also with his handling of the pandemic. He also inherited a good economy and benefitted from a trend in lowering unemployment. Check the graph below. By far the greatest decreases in black unemployment occurred under Obama. Trump benefitted from the trend. Check it out.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-manufacturing-jobs-record-415588[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Funding for Black colleges. [/QUOTE]So what? Fleeing unarmed black suspects are shot in the back by racists cops, good ol boys track down and lynch a jogger falsely accusing him of theft, guys say they can't breathe and his breathing is restricted all the more, and Trump compares the behavior of cops to missing a putt? He tells white supremacists to "stand up and stand by" and says there were "good people" on both sides at rallies involving Neo-Nazis. Add his decision to ignore the legitimate concerns of BLM and instead wail about a minority of looters. All while a DHS report, a report he tried to stop from publishing, shows that white supremacists are the most deadly domestic terrorist threat. This as he talks about Covid spiking in Democratic cities, though come election time it was the red states and cities that were on the ropes. The bigot made his bed so he lies in it. Blacks showed up at the polls just like they did in Louisiana to vote against David Duke. Oh well, and now he's playing the race card again with his "waaa waaa they stole the election" fake conspiracy theories.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years. [/QUOTE]LOL How about the fact that he pulled us out of the worst economic situation since the Great Recession, for starters, while handing off a good economy to Trump. The fact that you overlook that shows that either your head is firmly lodged up your posterior, or you're allowing yourself to be spoon fed by highly biased media sources. You aren't someone worth wasting much time with as you make a no case for anything, though I was bored tonight. Plus it's the internet. Once one Trump koolaid drinker is corrected another one comes along. We just have to beat you at the polls. Mission accomplished.

Here is the link to the black unemployment rate graph, Obama through Trump that was omitted in my last post.

[URL]https://blackdemographics.com/black-unemployment-from-obama-to-trump/[/URL]

This is the article related to Trump's record with manufacturing jobs, which was misplaced.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-manufacturing-jobs-record-415588[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504146]I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. That is why I thought Trump would get elected again. I feel sorry for all the people that voted for Biden as he will do exactly what he has done for the last 47 years and the people that voted for him will not get all the free crap he promised. They will be the ones hurt in this. Trump definitly isn't politically correct and he is a typical arrogant New Yorker but he got things done. Now we get bigger government, higher taxes, higher health insurance, electric bills that will go up 200-400% Small businesses will go broke trying to keep up with new environmental regulations. We will go back into the Paris Green deal. We will let China steal all our technology and wipe out our manufacturing industry like the Obama years. And the far left will blame Trump for everything.[/QUOTE]The problem with conservatives is that they label as socialism anything more liberal than shooting the homeless, or immigrants, for sport.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2504318]No public education. Interesting concept. There's plenty of evidence to show that educated societies are more successful, economically, plus more humane with less crime. I'm glad the American people disagree with you. Ultimately that's what matters.

Okay, the sky is falling. LOL It didn't work. The election is over. And we have this thing called balance of power that can shift every two years.

Pot calling the kettle black. So what is the "real" news? Hannity? Tucker Carlson? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. How about Alex Jones? News Max? Qanon? Any Trump tweet in all caps? You are obviously being served up biased fare, so don't talk about bias.

As the national debt mushroomed (pre-Covid), contrary to the false promises of the Trump administration that the cuts will pay for themselves. They also mostly benefitted corporations and those in higher income brackets.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/?sh=71145b3666c4[/URL]

You assume that's something good, but make no such case. Our relations with Iran have never been worse, and some of the Trump policies are plenty questionable.

[URL]https://www.cfr.org/report/evaluating-trump-administrations-iran-policy[/URL]

Bad idea, if you believe in science. Trump doesn't though thus the Covid fiasco. Don't worry though, we'll be getting back in shortly. Generally we need to work with our friends, not isolate..[/QUOTE]Everything you said! And like I said, I just don't waste time on these indoctrinated Trumptards anymore. And no need to. They're defeated, and decent America will never let them return to power again. Vanquished. Like the Tea Party.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2504318]No public education. Interesting concept. There's plenty of evidence to show that educated societies are more successful, economically, plus more humane with less crime. I'm glad the American people disagree with you. Ultimately that's what matters.

Okay, the sky is falling. LOL It didn't work. The election is over. And we have this thing called balance of power that can shift every two years.

Pot calling the kettle black. So what is the "real" news? Hannity? Tucker Carlson? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. How about Alex Jones? News Max? Qanon? Any Trump tweet in all caps? You are obviously being served up biased fare, so don't talk about bias.

As the national debt mushroomed (pre-Covid), contrary to the false promises of the Trump administration that the cuts will pay for themselves. They also mostly benefitted corporations and those in higher income brackets.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/?sh=71145b3666c4[/URL]

You assume that's something good, but make no such case. Our relations with Iran have never been worse, and some of the Trump policies are plenty questionable.

[URL]https://www.cfr.org/report/evaluating-trump-administrations-iran-policy[/URL]

Bad idea, if you believe in science. Trump doesn't though thus the Covid fiasco. Don't worry though, we'll be getting back in shortly. Generally we need to work with our friends, not isolate.

The jury is still out on that one, in spite of Trump's hubris. How long have we been talking about "peace" in that region?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-middle-east-accord-israel-bahrain-uae-illusion-of-peace-2020-9[/URL]

Too vague. You're just reciting talking points.

You're back to parroting talking points. He's still launching missles and expanding his nuclear capabilities.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/21515145/north-korea-trump-usa-nuclear-war-interview[/URL]

It's easy to recite talking points. The hard part comes when it's time to back them up. Do some research and present some arguments. The merits of his China policy are all very much debatable.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/research/lessons-from-the-trump-administrations-policy-experiment-on-china/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/06/16/how-trump-tried-to-change-chinas-trade-policies-and-failed/?sh=31126b036c2b[/URL]

He inherited a trend of increased job creation established under the Obama administration, but blew it all mishandling the pandemic. In the end manufacturing jobs were lost on his watch.

You say "ever" but records have only been kept for this since 1972. He blew all of this also with his handling of the pandemic. He also inherited a good economy and benefitted from a trend in lowering unemployment. Check the graph below. By far the greatest decreases in black unemployment occurred under Obama. Trump benefitted from the trend. Check it out.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-manufacturing-jobs-record-415588[/URL]

So what? Fleeing unarmed black suspects are shot in the back by racists cops, good ol boys track down and lynch a jogger falsely accusing him of theft, guys say they can't breathe and his breathing is restricted all the more, and Trump compares the behavior of cops to missing a putt? He tells white supremacists to "stand up and stand by" and says there were "good people" on both sides at rallies involving Neo-Nazis. Add his decision to ignore the legitimate concerns of BLM and instead wail about a minority of looters. All while a DHS report, a report he tried to stop from publishing, shows that white supremacists are the most deadly domestic terrorist threat. This as he talks about Covid spiking in Democratic cities, though come election time it was the red states and cities that were on the ropes. The bigot made his bed so he lies in it. Blacks showed up at the polls just like they did in Louisiana to vote against David Duke. Oh well, and now he's playing the race card again with his "waaa waaa they stole the election" fake conspiracy theories.

LOL How about the fact that he pulled us out of the worst economic situation since the Great Recession, for starters, while handing off a good economy to Trump. The fact that you overlook that shows that either your head is firmly lodged up your posterior, or you're allowing yourself to be spoon fed by highly biased media sources. You aren't someone worth wasting much time with as you make a no case for anything, though I was bored tonight. Plus it's the internet. Once one Trump koolaid drinker is corrected another one comes along. We just have to beat you at the polls. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]Is everyone here brainwashed by CNN? Good news is you will get what you deserve with Biden.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504362]Is everyone here brainwashed by CNN? Good news is you will get what you deserve with Biden.[/QUOTE]Apparently everyone but you. Oh, and you're going to get what you deserve too. Haha!

Fraudulent hair coloring! Hahahahaha! He used to have a good reputation. So did Barr. Now look at these clowns. Just look at them! Drunk with power. Makes otherwise intelligent men do very stupid things! And look like morons too! LOL!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9drmVDt9Ef8[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2504362]Is everyone here brainwashed by CNN? Good news is you will get what you deserve with Biden.[/QUOTE]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers. This thread has become a rubber room ie the psych ward for them. I hope you are wrong about Biden & Company, but I doubt it. Biden is tired & mentally challenged. He will be controlled by the leftist party elate. The future for America is very dark. To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. The left doesn't care because the ends always justify the means. Free Speech is only what the party in power says it is, The Brown Shirts (Antifa and BLM goons) are allowed to intimidate & terrorize major cities for months on end, Stack the Supreme Court, Add 4 leftist senators to the Senate, Do away with the filibuster, & The electoral college, ect ect ect. The handwriting is on the wall for all to see. It is time to get out of America while we still can.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504362]Is everyone here brainwashed by CNN? Good news is you will get what you deserve with Biden.[/QUOTE]Greetings,

Great White North. The answer is mostly yes. O Canada, it is useless to argue with the likes of Cane, Scatman, Paulie and any American dumbocrat. The election was electronically rigged as in Venezuela -- using the same software. It will all be eventually exposed but will never be aired by any of the mainstream fake news who have been protecting elitist millionaire socialist crooks like the Bidens, Clintons, Obummers, Pelosis', Nuisance Newsom et al all along. The liberal socialist agenda is how Hitler and the nazis took over Germany and started WW2. It's right out of the Karl Marx playbook: civil war, defund the police, give all the power to a small group of elitists pretending to be for the people by making them slaves to government handouts. The dumbocrats are too dumb to realize that this is the beginning of the end of the American Empire -- the great social experiment that failed due to the declining moral leadership of the weak lemmings that define the liberal party. All the more impetus for me to seek greener pastures and refuge in the Philippines with my 19-year-old super sexy Filipina fiance' who is the antithesis of the American You Too feminazi movement. I shudder to think what the USA will become in the years to come under the likes of whackjob Kamala Harris and her socialist successors. Nevertheless, I'll be far removed somewhere in the mountains of the the Philippines enjoying life and making music with my young family there. Far away from CNN, black lives matter, Me Too, and all the other extreme bullshit going on in the USA. Let the hate mail rain. Time to get the fuck out of Dodge. As Mr. Canada says, you dumbocrats will get what you deserve.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. It is time to get out of America while we still can.[/QUOTE]Except substitute "Trump" for "Biden". Oh and, maybe Canada will take you? Maybe you think?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers. This thread has become a rubber room ie the psych ward for them. I hope you are wrong about Biden & Company, but I doubt it. Biden is tired & mentally challenged. He will be controlled by the leftist party elate. The future for America is very dark. To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. The left doesn't care because the ends always justify the means. Free Speech is only what the party in power says it is, The Brown Shirts (Antifa and BLM goons) are allowed to intimidate & terrorize major cities for months on end, Stack the Supreme Court, Add 4 leftist senators to the Senate, Do away with the filibuster, & The electoral college, ect ect ect. The handwriting is on the wall for all to see. It is time to get out of America while we still can.[/QUOTE]You are so right.

The scary thing some of you will and believe him:

CNN) The Trump campaign sent out another fundraising email to supporters on Friday, signed by President Donald Trump, praising his attorney Rudy Giuliani's widely panned news conference this week and featuring a photo of Trump taken when he was a coronavirus patient in the hospital.

"Did you watch my legal team's press conference yesterday? They were spectacular," the email read, discussing Giuliani and other members of the Trump campaign's legal team peddling conspiracy theories and lies for over 90 minutes Thursday in front of reporters.

The campaign has sent out more than 250 fundraising emails asking supporters for cash as it continues baseless legal challenges across several states fighting the 2020 election results. President-elect Joe Biden won 306 electoral votes to Trump's 232.

In the fine print of the Friday's solicitation, Team Trump has upped the share of the money that goes to Trump's leadership PAC, Save America. Now, 75% of each contribution goes to Save America. It had been a 60% cut last week.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers. This thread has become a rubber room ie the psych ward for them. I hope you are wrong about Biden & Company, but I doubt it. Biden is tired & mentally challenged. He will be controlled by the leftist party elate. The future for America is very dark. To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. The left doesn't care because the ends always justify the means. Free Speech is only what the party in power says it is, The Brown Shirts (Antifa and BLM goons) are allowed to intimidate & terrorize major cities for months on end, Stack the Supreme Court, Add 4 leftist senators to the Senate, Do away with the filibuster, & The electoral college, ect ect ect. The handwriting is on the wall for all to see. It is time to get out of America while we still can.[/QUOTE]Spot on, makes me quite happy with my decision to leave the USA in 2019.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2504628]Spot on, makes me quite happy with my decision to leave the USA in 2019.[/QUOTE]Leverage your dollars while you still can before the democrats fc#k things up.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers. This thread has become a rubber room ie the psych ward for them. I hope you are wrong about Biden & Company, but I doubt it. Biden is tired & mentally challenged. He will be controlled by the leftist party elate. The future for America is very dark. To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. The left doesn't care because the ends always justify the means. Free Speech is only what the party in power says it is, The Brown Shirts (Antifa and BLM goons) are allowed to intimidate & terrorize major cities for months on end, Stack the Supreme Court, Add 4 leftist senators to the Senate, Do away with the filibuster, & The electoral college, ect ect ect. The handwriting is on the wall for all to see. It is time to get out of America while we still can.[/QUOTE]Keep on drinking that tRUMP Koolaid. Literally none of your predictions will happen. None. Antifa? Really? Your father (or maybe grandfather) probably fought against fascism during WWII. If so, then he was antifa.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2504998]Keep on drinking that tRUMP Koolaid. Literally none of your predictions will happen. None. Antifa? Really? Your father (or maybe grandfather) probably fought against fascism during WWII. If so, then he was antifa.[/QUOTE]Antifa are a bunch of domestic terrorists, no need to look no further than Portland. It's frightening to read how radicalized some leftists are in the US. To compare that with the WW2 only makes sense if you consider antifa to be the nazis. They share the same hatred for democracy and political views different from theirs.

"The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists". Spot on.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2504998]Keep on drinking that tRUMP Koolaid. Literally none of your predictions will happen. None. Antifa? Really? Your father (or maybe grandfather) probably fought against fascism during WWII. If so, then he was antifa.[/QUOTE]Antifa is not anti fascism. Antifa is a terror group looting democratic cities in the name of fascism. They are the Democratic Party today along with BLM. They have done wonders for Portland, Minneapolis, New York. BLM demanding meeting with Biden to give their demands for voting for him. Good Democrat demands. Completely defund the police and abolish all USA prisons. I am sure all the good democrats are supporting this. You can't make this stuff up. Even stated in the Liberal newspaper today.

You must be so proud!

[QUOTE=Canada;2505161]Antifa is not anti fascism. Antifa is a terror group looting democratic cities in the name of fascism. They are the Democratic Party today along with BLM. They have done wonders for Portland, Minneapolis, New York. BLM demanding meeting with Biden to give their demands for voting for him. Good Democrat demands. Completely defund the police and abolish all USA prisons. I am sure all the good democrats are supporting this. You can't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]You just did!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2505166]You just did![/QUOTE]LOLOLOL! So easy to defeat these guys as they beat themselves first hahaha!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2505166]You just did![/QUOTE]If I made it up so did every news network. Just google it. Here is the World Tribune news.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/blm-demands-democrats-pass-bill-to-abolish-prisons/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2505179]LOLOLOL! So easy to defeat these guys as they beat themselves first hahaha![/QUOTE]Here is Politico news. How many do you want?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/15/abolish-prisons-is-the-new-abolish-ice-219361[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2505181]If I made it up so did every news network. Just google it. Here is the World Tribune news.

[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/blm-demands-democrats-pass-bill-to-abolish-prisons/[/URL][/QUOTE]No, you didn't make it up. A well-known rag for right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theories did. You just repeated it (rolling eyes).

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/?amp[/URL]

Now I suppose the Sun newspaper in the UK is also making up this democratic news.

[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13259422/reimagine-justice-blm-biden-democrats-bill-prisons-abolished/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505111]Antifa are a bunch of domestic terrorists, no need to look no further than Portland. It's frightening to read how radicalized some leftists are in the US. To compare that with the WW2 only makes sense if you consider antifa to be the nazis. They share the same hatred for democracy and political views different from theirs.

"The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists". Spot on.[/QUOTE]I agree that Antifa is basically the Nazi party that we fought against in WW2. I can't believe these democrats here or anywhere would support it.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505187]Here is Politico news. How many do you want?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/15/abolish-prisons-is-the-new-abolish-ice-219361[/URL][/QUOTE]This article doesn't say what you initially alleged! You (the discredited World Tribune) said it was all about BLM. Well, we know that's a lie, because that's what the "lofty" World Tribune does, publish propagandist lies. Then, typically you post a link to another article that absolutely does not say or support what you initially said. You should actually try reading (and comprehending) stories from reputable news sources before you claim that they support some biased point of view that you think you're making, but you actually aren't. Either because the source has zero credibility, or because it doesn't even say what you seem to believe it does.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505161]Antifa is not anti fascism. Antifa is a terror group looting democratic cities in the name of fascism. They are the Democratic Party today along with BLM. They have done wonders for Portland, Minneapolis, New York. BLM demanding meeting with Biden to give their demands for voting for him. Good Democrat demands. Completely defund the police and abolish all USA prisons. I am sure all the good democrats are supporting this. You can't make this stuff up. Even stated in the Liberal newspaper today.

You must be so proud![/QUOTE]I never thought Canadians in the USA lived in such deep fear for their lives. What do you think of the KKK and the Proud Boys? Do you fear them too?

[QUOTE=Canada;2505190]Now I suppose the Sun newspaper in the UK is also making up this democratic news.

[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13259422/reimagine-justice-blm-biden-democrats-bill-prisons-abolished/[/URL][/QUOTE]That other bastion of journalistic excellence hahaha!

[QUOTE=DCups;2504372]Greetings,

Great White North. The answer is mostly yes. O Canada, it is useless to argue with the likes of Cane, Scatman, Paulie and any American dumbocrat. The election was electronically rigged as in Venezuela -- using the same software. It will all be eventually exposed but will never be aired by any of the mainstream fake news who have been protecting elitist millionaire socialist crooks like the Bidens, Clintons, Obummers, Pelosis', Nuisance Newsom et al all along. The liberal socialist agenda is how Hitler and the nazis took over Germany and started WW2. It's right out of the Karl Marx playbook: civil war, defund the police, give all the power to a small group of elitists pretending to be for the people by making them slaves to government handouts. The dumbocrats are too dumb to realize that this is the beginning of the end of the American Empire -- the great social experiment that failed due to the declining moral leadership of the weak lemmings that define the liberal party. All the more impetus for me to seek greener pastures and refuge in the Philippines with my 19-year-old super sexy Filipina fiance' who is the antithesis of the American You Too feminazi movement. I shudder to think what the USA will become in the years to come under the likes of whackjob Kamala Harris and her socialist successors. Nevertheless, I'll be far removed somewhere in the mountains of the the Philippines enjoying life and making music with my young family there. Far away from CNN, black lives matter, Me Too, and all the other extreme bullshit going on in the USA. Let the hate mail rain. Time to get the fuck out of Dodge. As Mr. Canada says, you dumbocrats will get what you deserve.[/QUOTE]You may be the smartest one in the whole group here living in the Philippines with a 19 year old. Biden is already dodging questions and hopefully he will do what he has done for the last 47 years. If he supports Antifa, BLM and the far left Republicans will take back the house in 2022.

The dumbocrats won't look at any news worldwide just fake CNN. At least AT&T are getting smarter and going to dump CNN.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505191]I agree that Antifa is basically the Nazi party that we fought against in WW2. I can't believe these democrats here or anywhere would support it.[/QUOTE]You live in an alternate reality.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2505212]You live in an alternate reality.[/QUOTE]I guess I do. I believe in alternate reality than democrats.

I believe in the police.

I believe in protecting our borders.

I believe in protecting US citizens.

I believe prisons are needed.

I believe in honoring our flag.

I believe in standing for the National anthem.

I believe in Capitalism not socialism.

I believe in honest elections.

I believe in free enterprise.

I believe in free speech.

I believe rioting and looting is not peaceful protests.

I believe the USA is the best country in the world to live in and I have travelled to over 40 countries.

Maybe the democrats can switch over to these beliefs but if not they can let CNN tell them why All USA is racist and why USA is not great.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2505212]You live in an alternate reality.[/QUOTE]That's what happens when one considers the World Tribune to be a legitimate source for "news".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2505226]That's what happens when one considers the World Tribune to be a legitimate source for "news".[/QUOTE]What about the Sun in UK and USA Today. Within the next week or so it will be in your local paper if it hasn't already. I am sorry your beliefs aren't the same as mine. My beliefs were the same when Obama was president even if he didn't believe in USA. Shouldn't matter who the president is either democrat or republican to stick with your beliefs. At least I made my beliefs public and obviously you are against my beliefs. So I guess you can criticize every one of my beliefs.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2505188]No, you didn't make it up. A well-known rag for right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theories did. You just repeated it (rolling eyes).

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/?amp[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU[/URL]

Speaking of Conspiracy theorists, see attachments. LOL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505223]I guess I do. I believe in alternate reality than democrats.

I believe in the police.

I believe in protecting our borders.

I believe in protecting US citizens.

I believe prisons are needed.

I believe in honoring our flag.

I believe in standing for the National anthem.

I believe in Capitalism not socialism.

I believe in honest elections..[/QUOTE]And of course.

Free Love.

Save $20.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505238]What about the Sun in UK and USA Today. Within the next week or so it will be in your local paper if it hasn't already. I am sorry your beliefs aren't the same as mine. My beliefs were the same when Obama was president even if he didn't believe in USA. Shouldn't matter who the president is either democrat or republican to stick with your beliefs. At least I made my beliefs public and obviously you are against my beliefs. So I guess you can criticize every one of my beliefs.[/QUOTE]I'm no "leftist", and neither is Joe Biden. Since you think you know so much about his 47 years in office, then you should understand that too. But you apparently don't, because you're ready to swallow the propaganda fed to you by people with bad intentions. I believe in governing from the center, and support many (but not all) of the things you claim to support. But, I know there are different and better ways of achieving those outcomes. As for citing sources, you led with the World Tribune, and that really says it all! No need to know anything else. It's really scary where some people are getting their "news" from, and what they are prepared to believe. Believe what you will, but the "legit news" is that Biden won the election, and winning and losing elections has consequences. President Biden. Believe that. And may as well get used to saying it too.

The state of the Republican Party today.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers. This thread has become a rubber room ie the psych ward for them. I hope you are wrong about Biden & Company, but I doubt it. Biden is tired & mentally challenged. He will be controlled by the leftist party elate. The future for America is very dark. To understand what is happening all you have to do is go back in history and take a look at the Weimer Republic or the rise of the Chavez dictatorship in Venezuela. It is eerily similar. Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. The left doesn't care because the ends always justify the means. Free Speech is only what the party in power says it is, The Brown Shirts (Antifa and BLM goons) are allowed to intimidate & terrorize major cities for months on end, Stack the Supreme Court, Add 4 leftist senators to the Senate, Do away with the filibuster, & The electoral college, ect ect ect. The handwriting is on the wall for all to see. It is time to get out of America while we still can.[/QUOTE]Great post! You get it.

It is not over till it is over.

[QUOTE=DCups;2504372]Greetings,

Great White North. The answer is mostly yes. O Canada, it is useless to argue with the likes of Cane, Scatman, Paulie and any American dumbocrat. The election was electronically rigged as in Venezuela -- using the same software. It will all be eventually exposed but will never be aired by any of the mainstream fake news who have been protecting elitist millionaire socialist crooks like the Bidens, Clintons, Obummers, Pelosis', Nuisance Newsom et al all along. The liberal socialist agenda is how Hitler and the nazis took over Germany and started WW2. It's right out of the Karl Marx playbook: civil war, defund the police, give all the power to a small group of elitists pretending to be for the people by making them slaves to government handouts. The dumbocrats are too dumb to realize that this is the beginning of the end of the American Empire -- the great social experiment that failed due to the declining moral leadership of the weak lemmings that define the liberal party. All the more impetus for me to seek greener pastures and refuge in the Philippines with my 19-year-old super sexy Filipina fiance' who is the antithesis of the American You Too feminazi movement. I shudder to think what the USA will become in the years to come under the likes of whackjob Kamala Harris and her socialist successors. Nevertheless, I'll be far removed somewhere in the mountains of the the Philippines enjoying life and making music with my young family there. Far away from CNN, black lives matter, Me Too, and all the other extreme bullshit going on in the USA. Let the hate mail rain. Time to get the fuck out of Dodge. As Mr. Canada says, you dumbocrats will get what you deserve.[/QUOTE]Another great post! You also get it.

It is not over till it is over.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2505395]I'm no "leftist", and neither is Joe Biden. Since you think you know so much about his 47 years in office, then you should understand that too. But you apparently don't, because you're ready to swallow the propaganda fed to you by people with bad intentions. I believe in governing from the center, and support many (but not all) of the things you claim to support. But, I know there are different and better ways of achieving those outcomes. As for citing sources, you led with the World Tribune, and that really says it all! No need to know anything else. It's really scary where some people are getting their "news" from, and what they are prepared to believe. Believe what you will, but the "legit news" is that Biden won the election, and winning and losing elections has consequences. President Biden. Believe that. And may as well get used to saying it too.[/QUOTE]You are correct that Biden did nothing in 47 years but make his family rich. He may not do anything in his term but I worry about what he said when he was campaigning. Supports the green deal or has one of his own. Wants to kill the energy business in USA. Going to get back in the Paris Accord. Weaken the military. I am concerned he will be as bad as Obama with giving EPA more power, increasing government and killing small business like Obama did. I am concerned that Biden owes China for what they gave his family and Biden will cut all the tariffs on China that protect USA industry. Biden winning the election means China wins. He said he is going to give amnesty to illegals. He is looking to forgive student debt. He is going to have healthcare for illegals. This isn't from newspapers. This is Biden words in his campaigning. And don't bother fact checking with the Liberal fact checkers. They are as real as Santa and the Easter bunny. Obama weakened the USA so much and we have only recovered about half of it in last 4 years. Biden has promised too many people to get elected. BLM, illegals, socialists. I had businesses and have several friends that have small businesses. Try can't afford another 4 years like the 8 Obama years. Most of them had to stop paying their employees health insurance because of Obama care 300% increase in premiums. Maybe you never had your own business and had a few hundred employees that depended on you. If Republicans hold the Senate ten damage can be held to a minimum but if Democrats win the Senate we are all screwed. Both democrats and republicans. And most people don't think Biden will make 4 years. He has early stage of dimensha and I would be supprised if Harris is president in 2022. If you can't be worried about these issues ten it is a waste of time even commenting.

Trump is likely the last Republican president ever elected in the USA. His reign was the final gasp of Republicanism. Everyone knows this is the end.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505605]You are correct that Biden did nothing in 47 years but make his family rich. He may not do anything in his term but I worry about what he said when he was campaigning. Supports the green deal or has one of his own. Wants to kill the energy business in USA. Going to get back in the Paris Accord. Weaken the military. I am concerned he will be as bad as Obama with giving EPA more power, increasing government and killing small business like Obama did. I am concerned that Biden owes China for what they gave his family and Biden will cut all the tariffs on China that protect USA industry. Biden winning the election means China wins. He said he is going to give amnesty to illegals. He is looking to forgive student debt. He is going to have healthcare for illegals. This isn't from newspapers. This is Biden words in his campaigning. And don't bother fact checking with the Liberal fact checkers. They are as real as Santa and the Easter bunny. Obama weakened the USA so much and we have only recovered about half of it in last 4 years. Biden has promised too many people to get elected. BLM, illegals, socialists. I had businesses and have several friends that have small businesses. Try can't afford another 4 years like the 8 Obama years. Most of them had to stop paying their employees health insurance because of Obama care 300% increase in premiums. Maybe you never had your own business and had a few hundred employees that depended on you. If Republicans hold the Senate ten damage can be held to a minimum but if Democrats win the Senate we are all screwed. Both democrats and republicans. And most people don't think Biden will make 4 years. He has early stage of dimensha and I would be supprised if Harris is president in 2022. If you can't be worried about these issues ten it is a waste of time even commenting.[/QUOTE]

How can people be so incredibly behind the curve they are still talking in terms of Conservatives and Liberals? (or Communists and Capitalists?

The fault line in American Politics has for decades been the fight between Globalists and Nationalists or Neo-Liberals vs. Americans Firsters.

These great social issues of our times, like what lives matter and who's being victimized, or who's going to be your next figurehead-in-chief are nothing but a dog and pony show to keep the 99% distracted and divided, While a cashless society, vaccination passports and who knows what forms of repressive controls are being schemed into a reality that will make the lifestyle discussed here a practical impossibility.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2505611]Trump is likely the last Republican president ever elected in the USA. His reign was the final gasp of Republicanism. Everyone knows this is the end.[/QUOTE]This is not the end. We haven't even seen the backlash. In America, the pendulum swings, but the center holds. As it has been said, the game is played between the forty-yard lines.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505605]You are correct that Biden did nothing in 47 years but make his family rich.[/QUOTE]The poster never said that.

Your political arguments are very weak if all you can do is misquote who you are debating.

Low-level Juvenile.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505605]If you can't be worried about these issues then it is a waste of time even commenting.[/QUOTE]Let's go Dems in the Georgia Senate run-off races! If we get the Senate, then some people are going to find out just how "woke" Mr. "Sleepy Joe" really is. He's asleep like "Sleepy Floyd". Yes he is. Will drop 40 points on your ass with his eyes closed!

[QUOTE=MonkyEye;2505442]Another great post! You also get it.

It is not over till it is over.[/QUOTE]Where are you from and what do you, buddy? Me: Sacramento. Former business professor, business owner, air force officer (compare to Cane and the other libtards that post here). I am now retired waiting for PI to open up. Academia is 95% liberal which I despised my whole life because it ironically perpetuates the dumbocracy indefinitely which the USA is fast becoming. If conservatives maintain control of the congress, senate and keep the supreme court, this trifecta will curtail some of Biden's stupidity but I fear it is only a matter of time America goes socialist. There are just too many stupid people now. Yeah, go ahead liberals: open the borders, raise taxes, make everyone dependent on the government big tit. A hundred years from now when we're all dead our offspring will note the parallel societies of Ancient Rome and Ancient USA. The fucking Chinese and Russians are licking their chops waiting to pounce.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2505611]Trump is likely the last Republican president ever elected in the USA. His reign was the final gasp of Republicanism. Everyone knows this is the end.[/QUOTE]Crippling of the republican party is a wet dream of mine.

But I don't think it has happened just yet.

Looks like Biden will beat Trump by more than 6 million votes.

But the GOP, as a whole, made some serious gains in the 2020 election.

The Republicans successfully fought multiple contested senate races. The GOP flipped about a dozen house seats and won a few more state legislatures.

The GOP was not rejected during this last election, just dumbass Trump.

[QUOTE=DCups;2504372]Greetings,

Great White North. The answer is mostly yes. O Canada, it is useless to argue with the likes of Cane, Scatman, Paulie and any American dumbocrat. The election was electronically rigged as in Venezuela -- using the same software. [/QUOTE]Hi Dcups,

This one is over, so go find yourself a quiet corner, curl up in a ball, and have a good cry. You claim to be a retired "business professor," but I doubt it, at least not at an accredited institution, as you buy into these silly global conspiracy theories that have been continually laughed out of court. You obviously are poorly educated. You are also a demonstrated bigot having used racial epithets here (since removed) for the incoming vice president, so ultimately we all know what you are about, and what the Trump presidency was all about. This was your last gasp. The market just crossed 30 K, and America will be fine without you. Get back over to the Philippines, pull up a seat at the bar and whimper and whine to like-minded men until your days end. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Hey Paulie.

A quick look at your 313 posts shows 90% of them are argumentative or political or both (regardless of thread) and contain no facts. Hence, do you work for CNN? Or are you another can collector living in yo momma's basement never having been anywhere? By the way it is well known in California that your new VP got her start in politics by literally sucking Willie Brown's little willie. So, couple that with her socialist agenda is why I call her a whackjob. But technically, she's more of a blowjobbing whackjob. After all, she does have DSL (dick sucking lips). In any case, it has nothing to do with race.

[QUOTE=DCups;2505793]Where are you from and what do you, buddy? Me: Sacramento. Former business professor, business owner, air force officer (compare to Cane and the other libtards that post here). I am now retired waiting for PI to open up.[/QUOTE]You don't know anything about me. You say you're a former university professor? Well guess what? If you're talking Ph. D, then I have as much education as you do! Well-educated, well-traveled, professionally employed, and well on my way to a comfortable retirement. And smart enough not to retire in a dump like the Philippines. Seems like my retirement accounts are deeper than yours are.

[QUOTE=DCups;2505889] it is well known in California that your new VP got her start in politics by literally sucking Willie Brown's little willie. So, couple that with her socialist agenda is why I call her a whackjob. But technically, she's more of a blowjobbing whackjob. After all, she does have DSL (dick sucking lips). In any case, it has nothing to do with race.[/QUOTE]VP donkey-face has quite a resume, although is this ex-Prosecuter really a socialist?

Globalists dangle the carrot of socialism to libtards and their wetdreams of free everything in order to use them to socially engineer a corporate takeover of your property, freedoms and bodies. The notion of giving everyone a basic income has nothing to do with some classless socialist utopia where everyone's equal. Any money put into hands of the shiftless quickly finds its way into corporate coffers and creates interest payment revenue streams for investors. These 'socialist policies' are nothing but a way to guarantee a paying customer base for corporations, which through private-public 'partnerships' are supplanting Governments. Now with the coronavirus opportunity, their strategy has become clear: corporations will decide the rules. Want to fly? Check with your airline's vaccination policy. The citizenry will have no recourse to a government which will no longer be making the rules. The Democratic Party is using so-called socialism to implement their globalist agenda. Trump was an obstacle, so he has to go.

Hey Cane,

The last thing I want to do is argue politics with you. I find it completely pointless to argue this shit plus it is a real good way to make enemies. That is why this will probably be the last time I will post in this thread for the foreseeable future. I appreciate, however, your contributions over in the Brazil forum. In this forum; not so much. Ha Ha.

For the record, I too have a post graduate degree from a well-known highly respected (in some quarters. LOL) Business School and I will always remember the brilliant lectures I was privileged (can we still use that word without the WOK-tard, race baiting, BS connotation?) to hear from Nobel Prize winning Economics' Laureates. But who gives a shit! I do not care how big someone's dick is, or how much money they have, or anything else. We are all punters here. We all like to do friendly young girls for $$$ without the emotional BS that comes with "relationship" dating. Now, some of us have more money to play with (more money is always good), some prefer younger, some older, some of us prefer Latinas, some of us (Me) prefer Asian girls, and some of us like those East Europeans gals. And some of us like the silly cones and the big butts, Ha Ha, and some of us (me) like demure girl next door types with thin thighs and natural ta ta's. It takes all kinds. That is why I always thought our sport was above politics and the common enemy was the politician class that wants to put us down and throw us in jail for the crime of being heterosexual males.

As far as retirement goes, I am leaning towards Thailand for a variety of reasons, not just the girls and ease of access. I like the Thai culture, Thai food, and the relative safety. I do not like the high development infrastructure of Thai tourism although it makes things extremely comfortable. In any case, most of these later factors rule out South America for me. In fact, I turned my back on SA (Colombia) over 20 years ago. That is kind of funny now, because thanks to Corona, a trip down south early spring 2021 seems more and more likely and I am starting to get stoked about returning to Sao Paulo and maybe Rio after all these years.

On the PI: I have a few friends who have chosen to live full time in the PI. They all seem real happy with their decision and wouldn't consider anywhere else. I like Filipinas a lot myself, but it is those other factors that sway me in the direction of the Buddha countries (Los and Cambodia) to live full time and to settle on side trips to the PI, Indonesia, and Macau whenever I feel like it. MNL& Jakarta are only 3.5 hours flight time from BKK. Anyway, I can respect the Cup's preferences as well as yours. There is a lot to be said about the virtues of South American girls especially regarding their looks and sexual performance. I just think they should lay off the silly cone and carbs a bit.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2506116]Hey Cane,

The last thing I want to do is argue politics with you. I find it completely pointless to argue this shit plus it is a real good way to make enemies. That is why this will probably be the last time I will post in this thread for the foreseeable future. I appreciate, however, your contributions over in the Brazil forum. In this forum; not so much. Ha Ha. I can respect the Cup's preferences as well as yours.[/QUOTE]Yes, I get it. As they say, it's normally best to stay away from politics, religion, and uh sex LOL! It's just that sometimes people need to be reminded that there are other people here besides themselves who have a stellar education and a nice pension. It's definitely not something I feel the need to wave around, but I do take exception when anybody who actually does not know me claims they are somehow superior to me in that regard. How would they really know that? The answer is that they don't. Thanks for the props on my posts in the Brazil threads. But what about the German FKK threads? Come on man! LOL! And, I do like your posts in the Thailand threads. If I did retire anywhere in Asia, it probably would be in Thailand. At this point, my plan is to retire in the USA, and then travel to a lot to places that I would like to visit. I join you in wishing everyone a safe and joyful Thanksgiving!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2506057]You don't know anything about me. You say you're a former university professor? Well guess what? If you're talking Ph. D, then I have as much education as you do! Well-educated, well-traveled, professionally employed, and well on my way to a comfortable retirement. And smart enough not to retire in a dump like the Philippines. Seems like my retirement accounts are deeper than yours are.[/QUOTE]When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.

[QUOTE=Canada;2505605]You are correct that Biden did nothing in 47 years but make his family rich. He may not do anything in his term but I worry about what he said when he was campaigning. Supports the green deal or has one of his own. Wants to kill the energy business in USA. Going to get back in the Paris Accord. Weaken the military. I am concerned he will be as bad as Obama with giving EPA more power, increasing government and killing small business like Obama did. I am concerned that Biden owes China for what they gave his family and Biden will cut all the tariffs on China that protect USA industry. Biden winning the election means China wins. He said he is going to give amnesty to illegals. He is looking to forgive student debt. He is going to have healthcare for illegals. This isn't from newspapers. This is Biden words in his campaigning. And don't bother fact checking with the Liberal fact checkers. They are as real as Santa and the Easter bunny. Obama weakened the USA so much and we have only recovered about half of it in last 4 years. Biden has promised too many people to get elected. BLM, illegals, socialists. I had businesses and have several friends that have small businesses. Try can't afford another 4 years like the 8 Obama years. Most of them had to stop paying their employees health insurance because of Obama care 300% increase in premiums. Maybe you never had your own business and had a few hundred employees that depended on you. If Republicans hold the Senate ten damage can be held to a minimum but if Democrats win the Senate we are all screwed. Both democrats and republicans..[/QUOTE]They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.

So what is your objection to clean energy? Is it that wind and solar are now the cheapest sources of electricity? That is the reason that more than 50% of all new power generating installations around the world are now wind and solar and this is accelerating because its clean and cheap! It will replace coal once battery storage cost drops sufficiently to cover the intermittency issue. Another 5 years should see it out. Once electric vehicles become main stream there will be arbitrage opportunities to use the vehicle batteries as grid storage, charging when power is cheap and discharging to the grid when power is expensive. Electric vehicles will improve air quality which will reduce health costs in cities, the use of automation will reduce accidents which will reduce the cost of insurance, repair bills and will reduce road trauma from accidents, reducing health costs. Wow, all this green innovation is really actually good for you, imagine that!

3. The China and other tariffs are not protecting industry. Many industries that rely on the import of cheap raw and semi processed materials have been hurt. The trade deficit is still increasing with some trade just moving from China to Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico etc. Its not moving to the US. You need to identify industries that can be competitive, nurture them, have the skillsets in place and stable policies. The biggest disincentive for trade is the $US which needs to weaken to improve competitiveness. The greatest stupidity of this trade war is spending nearly the entire revenue collected from the tariffs to bail out the whiny farmers. (Oh sorry you are probably under the delusion that China pays the tariffs rather that the actual payees, the US consumer!

4. The military is an over bloated waste of money. Since WW2 they have repeatedly failed. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Yes they did win Panama and Grenada! For the amount of money spent over the years in the Middle East the government could have bought every family a Tesla model 3! It doesn't help that the Us is in bed with Saudi Arabia who funds Al Queda, the Taliban and ISIS. Iraq has been given to Iran, Iran beat ISIS not the US. Cut military spending by 70% and use the money on education, health and infrastructure.

5. You complain about student debt forgiveness when corporate America has been given $500 b a year in tax cuts and a $2 T bailout package in the last year. How about ordinary people getting some help!

6. There are many leading economies that provide single payer healthcare with supplemental private insurance. They do it for 20 – 40% of the cost in the US. Its not Obamacare that is the problem it is the corrupt hospital and Insurance systems that buy out the politicians to protect their profit margins. Big Pharma and Big insurance has got you screwed and the best way to fix it is single payer!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2506106]VP donkey-face has quite a resume, although is this ex-Prosecuter really a socialist?

Globalists dangle the carrot of socialism to libtards and their wetdreams of free everything in order to use them to socially engineer a corporate takeover of your property, freedoms and bodies. The notion of giving everyone a basic income has nothing to do with some classless socialist utopia where everyone's equal. Any money put into hands of the shiftless quickly finds its way into corporate coffers and creates interest payment revenue streams for investors. These 'socialist policies' are nothing but a way to guarantee a paying customer base for corporations, which through private-public 'partnerships' are supplanting Governments. Now with the coronavirus opportunity, their strategy has become clear: corporations will decide the rules. Want to fly? Check with your airline's vaccination policy. The citizenry will have no recourse to a government which will no longer be making the rules. The Democratic Party is using so-called socialism to implement their globalist agenda. Trump was an obstacle, so he has to go.[/QUOTE]Ahhhh, yet another conservative who believes that anything more liberal than shooting immigrants for sport is socialism.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2506057]You don't know anything about me. You say you're a former university professor? Well guess what? If you're talking Ph. D, then I have as much education as you do! Well-educated, well-traveled, professionally employed, and well on my way to a comfortable retirement. And smart enough not to retire in a dump like the Philippines. Seems like my retirement accounts are deeper than yours are.[/QUOTE]I doubt it.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2506216]They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.[/QUOTE]Keep dreaming!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2506181]When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.[/QUOTE]Not an adjunct, reach around. Full professor. You know nothing about me or my accomplishments.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2506216]They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.

So what is your objection to clean energy? Is it that wind and solar are now the cheapest sources of electricity? That is the reason that more than 50% of all new power generating installations around the world are now wind and solar and this is accelerating because its clean and cheap! It will replace coal once battery storage cost drops sufficiently to cover the intermittency issue.[/QUOTE]You can't fix stupid. Don't even want to try to reply to fantasy.

[QUOTE=Canada;2506277]You can't fix stupid. Don't even want to try to reply to fantasy.[/QUOTE]Stupid is not being capable of presenting cogent arguments. Just throw up the right wing talking points and run!

[QUOTE=DCups;2506270]I doubt it.[/QUOTE]As I've said before. I'm not here to convince anybody of anything or to try to change any minds. I'm here to call it as it is, and how I see it. Somebody can choose to believe or not believe. And if anybody has a different view, I just may say something in response if I feel strongly enough about it. Now, it must have been pretty miserable indeed having to act like you really did care about things like diversity and other "liberal" causes while serving on all of those committees that colleges and universities like to stand up. LOL! And for the record, again I'm not a liberal. You and others don't get to define who I am. I'm a left of center moderate on most issues who believes in governing from the center versus pandering to extreme views on either the left or the right. Enjoy some more stuffing!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2506181]When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.[/QUOTE]You seem a bit out of touch with reality. One advice for you; next time make the self projection part a bit less obvious.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2506266]Ahhhh, yet another conservative who believes that anything more liberal than shooting immigrants for sport is socialism.[/QUOTE]Ugh, another liberal who doesn't know what liberalism is. Or socialism. Or conservatism, except that it's something you don't like because you don't like the people who like it. Hope that's simple enough for you, my previous post clearly wasn't.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2506286]Stupid is not being capable of presenting cogent arguments. Just throw up the right wing talking points and run![/QUOTE]Stupid is not knowing that solar and wind power is 5 to 9 times more expensive than hydroelectric or natural gas power. Stupid is not knowing that 80% of all wind and solar panels are coming from China.

Stupid is not knowing that lithium for all the electric cars is controlled by China. Switching to all electric will give millions of jobs and billions of dollars to China.

Stupid is not knowing that tariffs and fair trade protect USA manufacturers and business. Steel workers wages in USA average $74,000 annually and China $15,000 annually. Wages for appliances, textiles, clothes and shoes in USA averages over $36,000 per year and in China $10,000 per year or lower. You really think we can compete with that.

Stupid is not knowing that USA puts out only about 5% of all emissions with China, India and Russia being the biggest polluters in the world.

Stupid is not knowing that the Paris Accord cripples our industry and China and India can keep increasing their emissions into 2030 without ever cutting emissions. USA is not in the Paris Accord now and still reduces more emissions than any other country.

Stupid is thinking we can get rid of our oil industry and we can buy everything from China.

Stupid is not knowing that wind and solar can not supply all our power. Stupid is not knowing that the northern states only get 8 hours of daylight in winter 6 hours in Canada and 4 or 5 hours in Alaska with little sun. Solar doesn't work in winter.

Stupid is relying on wind and solar to fly 16 hours to Australia.

Stupid is not knowing that your electric bills are going up because they are paying for wind and solar power.

Stupid is not knowing that at most you can only store 72 hours of power with wind and solar.

Stupid is thinking that there was no fraud in the election.

Stupid is agreeing with AOC and Bernie on everything.

GO fact check this.

I am sure every state wants to be a leader in wind and solar like $6. 2 b.

Premium Above.

US Average Price.

For the 12 months ended May 2020, California's higher electricity prices translated into Residential ratepayers paying $6. 2 billion more than the average ratepayers elsewhere in the US using the same amount of energy. Compared to the lowest rate state (Louisiana), California ratepayers paid an additional $9. 0 billion.

California Commercial Electricity Price.

70.8%.

Above Average for.

Rest of US.

California average Commercial Price for the 12 months ended May 2020 was 17.18 cents / kWh, 70.8% higher than the US average of 10.06 cents / kWh for all states other than California. California's commercial prices remained the 3rd highest in the nation.

California Industrial Electricity Price.

117.0%.

Above Average for.

Rest of US.

California average Industrial Price for the 12 months ended May 2020 was 13.82 cents / kWh, 117.0% higher than the US average of 6. 37 cents / kWh for all states other than California. California's industrial prices remained the 5th highest in the nation.

$11.2 b.

Premium Above.

US Average Price.

For the 12 months ended May 2020, California's higher electricity prices translated into Commercial & Industrial ratepayers paying $11.2 billion more than ratepayers elsewhere in the US using the same amount of energy. Compared to the lowest rate states, California businesses paid an additional $14.7 billion.

[QUOTE=Canada;2506393]Stupid is not knowing that solar and wind power is 5 to 9 times more expensive than hydroelectric or natural gas power. Stupid is not knowing that 80% of all wind and solar panels are coming from China.

Stupid is not knowing that lithium for all the electric cars is controlled by China. Switching to all electric will give millions of jobs and billions of dollars to China.

Stupid is not knowing that tariffs and fair trade protect USA manufacturers and business. Steel workers wages in USA average $74,000 annually and China $15,000 annually. Wages for appliances, textiles, clothes and shoes in USA averages over $36,000 per year and in China $10,000 per year or lower. You really think we can compete with that.

Stupid is not knowing that USA puts out only about 5% of all emissions with China, India and Russia being the biggest polluters in the world.

Stupid is not knowing that the Paris Accord cripples our industry and China and India can keep increasing their emissions into 2030 without ever cutting emissions. USA is not in the Paris Accord now and still reduces more emissions than any other country.

Stupid is thinking we can get rid of our oil industry and we can buy everything from China..[/QUOTE]As I said talking points no cogent arguments. Fact is that new large scale solar installations are coming in at 2 - 3 c per kWhr vs 6 see for gas and 8 see for coal. Wind is 4-6 c. The UK is now coal free and will be gas free in generation in 10 years.

Fact, the largest sources of lithium are Australia and South America. There is no impediment to the US buying these raw materials and making their own batteries except there is not leadership to do so. Maybe now that will change.

The only fraud in the election was the Republican Candidate. If it was so easy to commit fraud why did Democrats not take the Senate and increase the house? Why not take total control?

What has steel wages got to do with whether an industry is providing a net benefit to the economy? With cheaper steel you can build more and lower cost buildings, infrastructure, vehicles, ships ect. Many of these industries also have high wages until they become uncompetitive because of high input costs caused by tariffs.

You say on the one hand the Paris accord would cripple industry and on the other that the US is already leading the pack in reducing emissions, did they give you an education in Canada.

You know its possible to build power lines from the south to the north to deliver all that beautiful solar and wind energy. Its possible to install wind generators off the cost like the UK and Europe.

How is it that every time Republicans gain control of the country they leave behind an economic mess?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2506481]As I said talking points no cogent arguments. Fact is that new large scale solar installations are coming in at 2 - 3 c per kWhr vs 6 see for gas and 8 see for coal. Wind is 4-6 c. The UK is now coal free and will be gas free in generation in 10 years.

Fact, the largest sources of lithium are Australia and South America. There is no impediment to the US buying these raw materials and making their own batteries except there is not leadership to do so. Maybe now that will change.

The only fraud in the election was the Republican Candidate. If it was so easy to commit fraud why did Democrats not take the Senate and increase the house? Why not take total control?

What has steel wages got to do with whether an industry is providing a net benefit to the economy? With cheaper steel you can build more and lower cost buildings, infrastructure, vehicles, ships ect. Many of these industries also have high wages until they become uncompetitive because of high input costs caused by tariffs.[/QUOTE]You are correct that Australia produces the most lithium but China controls almost all of it. In fact they control lithium in several countries. They also control the majority of solar panels.

Commodities: Top Lithium Production by Country.

Priscila Barrera. August 20th, 2020.

1. Australia.

Mine production: 42,000 MT.

Kicking off our lithium production by country list is Australia. It produced 42,000 MT of lithium content last year, down significantly from 16,800 MT from the year before. Australia's production increased impressively in 2018 due to two new spodumene operations that ramped up production in 2017, along with five additional spodumene operations that ramped up output in 2018. However, the tough price environment and costs led many to reduce production.

Australia hosts the Greenbushes lithium asset, which is operated by Talison Lithium, a subsidiary jointly owned by miners Tianqi Lithium (SZSE:002466) and Albemarle (NYSE: ALB). Greenbushes is the longest continuously operating mining area in Western Australia, having been in operation for over 25 years.

Australia also holds over 2. 7 million MT of identified lithium reserves, according to the US Geological Survey, which puts it just behind Chile. It is worth noting that most of the country's lithium supply is exported to China as spodumene.

Domestic steel manufacturing is critical in every country for national security. It is equally important to keep jobs in USA. If we let China take over all our manufacturing of steel, cars, clothes, textiles, appliances plus everything else what jobs are going to be here for USA citizens. Work for Twitter or google? China already controls almost all of our pharmaceuticals which is scary. I am sorry but I like to buy Made in USA rather than Made in China. I guess for some cheaper is always better.

When USA was in the Paris Accord Canada and USA were the only 2 countries to lower their emissions. Trump dropped out because the regulations were to stringent on USA companies. All industries. China and India do not need to cut emissions but can actually increase their emissions by 20% until 2030. After we dropped out USA emissions still went down 9. 2%. Reason for this is USA businesses are responsible and trying to cut emissions with new technology. Even coal industry produces very small emissions today compared to 20 years ago. USA produces about 15% of world emission China and India near 40% between them If USA cuts half by 2030 and China and India increase 20% by 2030 as per Paris Accord we actually go backwards.

I really think solar will be able to supply possibly 50% of our power needs in the future. I do not like the wind turbines as their life is about 10 years, they are ugly to look at and really aren't economical. Also I like birds and I don't like that windmills kill hundreds of thousands of birds every year and increasing daily.

Yes some countries have wind mills on their coasts. I am sure every person in USA with ocean front property would like to see 100 windmills in their view. I am sure that would increase their property value. Wouldn't you love to go to Hawaii and surf between the windmills?

I guess I just have a hard time understanding why democrats think the USA is such a bad country. I think USA is great and I want it to stay that way. I want to support USA business and USA products even if it costs more than China products. I have been to China and Russia and I don't like communism and socialism.

The funny thing about politics on here is people really do not want to hear the truth. I am one who has been consistent on here and always calls out racism. Then when you call it out people do not want to hear the truth.

You all now talk about looting. That is nothing new. Looting has been going on since the 65' Watts riots when a White California Highway Patrolman beat an unarmed black man during a traffic stop. The people rose up and had of enough of the beatings and unarmed killings of black men in Watts I do not cordone the looting, but you mistreat a group of people long enough they are going to react and not always peacefully. This is nothing new as same thing happened in Detroit, Newark, LA again and now George Floyd. Now that is the truth which a lot of you do not want hear or ignore. The problem is when you never have had a gun put to your head for no reason like I have over 20 times simply for just being black you get angry. This country has never dealt with its past like it should have. Here is a simple question what year did America become great for black people. So, when we hear "make America Great again" it's insulting to a lot of us. Please do not tell me things are better now because Obama was elected. Remember, more whites voted against him both election terms. So, what's the message there.

Kneeling is our form of protest that we want change, as a way of saying enough is enough. If you do not like seeing kneeling do not watch the NFL, but last I checked, ratings were down 6% this year which still makes it the highest watched programming by far in the USA.

Also, I keep hearing some of you all saying this country is moving to socialism. The stock market which Trump always talks about and is a non partisan analytical measurement, clearly does not think so.

Finally, you want to know what is one of the most purest forms of capitalism in the world. It happens to be music. If you do not like the music, do not listen to it. Now, here is what really is messing up you so called conservatives that say you love capitalism. Hip-Hop is the no 1 downloaded and listened too music in the world. An offshoot of Hip-Hop is Reggaetone and Trap which are all in the studio collaborating together right now as this pandemic is about to end. You know what hip-hop is all about is they know young people want to dance. They do not want to sit around looking at each other having a Budweiser. Hot young chicks want to shake their ass and that is not going to change so either get with the program or get left behind. The train has left the station and it not turning around as life waits for no one. So, next time you say this country is moving to socialism just think of Hip-Hop because that is what the market demands and young chicks love Hip-Hop. Now am I lying.

[QUOTE=Canada;2506393]Stupid is not knowing that USA puts out only about 5% of all emissions with China, India and Russia being the biggest polluters in the world.[/QUOTE]What emissions are you concerned about? Which are you measuring?

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions[/URL]

When measuring carbon dioxide emissions, the United States is much higher with 13.77% of the world-wide total.

Russia is at 4.77%, and a much bigger population in India is only at 6.62%.

China, with a population around four times larger than the US, is the leader at 29.34%.

[QUOTE=Revere;2506539]The funny thing about politics on here is people really do not want to hear the truth. I am one who has been consistent on here and always calls out racism. Then when you call it out people do not want to hear the truth.

You all now talk about looting. That is nothing new. Looting has been going on since the 65' Watts riots when a White California Highway Patrolman beat an unarmed black man during a traffic stop. The people rose up and had of enough of the beatings and unarmed killings of black men in Watts I do not cordone the looting, but you mistreat a group of people long enough they are going to react and not always peacefully. This is nothing new as same thing happened in Detroit, Newark, LA again and now George Floyd. Now that is the truth which a lot of you do not want hear or ignore. The problem is when you never have had a gun put to your head for no reason like I have over 20 times simply for just being black you get angry. This country has never dealt with its past like it should have. Here is a simple question what year did America become great for black people. So, when we hear "make America Great again" it's insulting to a lot of us. Please do not tell me things are better now because Obama was elected. Remember, more whites voted against him both election terms. So, what's the message there..[/QUOTE]Amen. But you won't convince any Trump supporters with your logic. They are convinced that you are a shiftless MF, that systemic racism doesn't exist, that MAGA isn't racist, and everything to the left of unrestricted lynching is socialist.

I do think that its rather cruel of members of this forum to beat up a harmless retired, overweight business professor like that. Shame on them. The poor old business professor only wants to marry his sweet 19 year old Illiterate Filipina fiancée and live happily ever after in Pussy Heaven. What do you think an illiterate sex toy will be discussing with a Khao San Road instant PhD over a dinner of rice and err. Rice? Euclid's elements of geometry or King Agamemnon's quarrel in the Illiad? In the meantime, he should be able to waive the Confederate flag down on main street, use illegal aliens to wipe his ass for $1 an hour, short change toothless black hookers at will, drive his V8 Hellcat Charger while giving the finger to Tesla drivers, fire his AR-15 at homeless people and spout racists comments as he sees fit. He lives in a free country. Yet those Antifa aligned thugs are making sure that his life is miserable. There is no justice in this world. Hahahaha.

There's nothing left of the "it's rigged" drama but cheap hair dye and cheesy mustaches.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/joe-digenova-attorney-trump-campaign-chris-krebs-violence/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2507705]There's nothing left of the "it's rigged" drama but cheap hair dye and cheesy mustaches.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/joe-digenova-attorney-trump-campaign-chris-krebs-violence/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The Trump campaign paid $3 million to do a partial recount in Wisconsin. Their strategy was to do recounts in the two most democratic regions in that state and attempt to throw out as many votes cast in those democratic counties as possible. Very doable due to the numerous and specific exact steps that every absentee Wisconsin voter must follow exactly, including signing their 2020 ballot envelope with a signature that unarguably matches the their signature from sometimes decades earlier, when they first registered to vote in Wisconsin.

The recount has resulted in Biden getting around 150 more votes and Trump getting around 60 more votes for a net gain of 87 votes for Biden.

But during the recount process tens of thousands of votes have been challenged by the Trump team, more than enough votes to overturn Biden's approximate 20,000 vote lead in Wisconsin.

The court case won't be fast-tracked since Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes will not swing the election. So it may be a long time till this matter resolves in court and appeals.

But this high number of "illegal votes", asserted to "really" exist in all the swing states Trump lost, will be rallying cry of the Trumpwashed.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2500916]"71,000,000 Legal Votes. The most ever for a sitting President!

Probably the most beloved American President ever. Even the best have pathetic haters.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahahahaha.

"Beloved" presidents don't lose by 7 million legal and recounted votes. Hahahahahaha.

Although four years ago a good lady lost by the same 74 electoral votes.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2507733]Hahahahahahahahaha.

"Beloved" presidents don't lose by 7 million legal and recounted votes. Hahahahahaha.

Although four years ago a good lady lost by the same 74 electoral votes.[/QUOTE]Haha, you're still talking about the election. I feel sorry for you.

Over 74 million votes, I underestimated Trump. He's so incredibly loved by the American people.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2507732]The Trump campaign paid $3 million to do a partial recount in Wisconsin. Their strategy was to do recounts in the two most democratic regions in that state and attempt to throw out as many votes cast in those democratic counties as possible. Very doable due to the numerous and specific exact steps that every absentee Wisconsin voter must follow exactly, including signing their 2020 ballot envelope with a signature that unarguably matches the their signature from sometimes decades earlier, when they first registered to vote in Wisconsin.

The recount has resulted in Biden getting around 150 more votes and Trump getting around 60 more votes for a net gain of 87 votes for Biden.

But during the recount process tens of thousands of votes have been challenged by the Trump team, more than enough votes to overturn Biden's approximate 20,000 vote lead in Wisconsin.

The court case won't be fast-tracked since Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes will not swing the election. So it may be a long time till this matter resolves in court and appeals.

But this high number of "illegal votes", asserted to "really" exist in all the swing states Trump lost, will be rallying cry of the Trumpwashed.[/QUOTE]Wisconsin results are certified. As we recall Dump set all this up in advance, crying "rigged" before the first vote was cast. He did the same in 2016, as like this year he expected to lose. We'd have seen similar hysterics in 2016 if not for the surprise. Essentially he didn't want any mail in votes counted, or even any of any kind past midnight on election night as he was screaming in all caps to stop the counts. This of course betrayed his infantile mindset and complete ignorance of how elections work. It amounts to a coup attempt, to overturn the will of the people and steal an election, and those who cheer him on, and even those who remain silent in the face of it are also culpable. But you can't fix stupid. All you can do is beat it at the polls and disempower it. They are welcome to go squawk at Info Wars, NewsMax, Qanon or whatever, but their guy is out of the WH next month.

Once again they are still more than welcome to prove their case in court, but have only been laughed out of court. Even Dump's boy Barr calls in a lost cause.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507980]Haha, you're still talking about the election. I feel sorry for you.

Over 74 million votes, I underestimated Trump. He's so incredibly loved by the American people.[/QUOTE]So much so that a "lock him up" movement may soon emerge.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2507227]I do think that its rather cruel of members of this forum to beat up a harmless retired, overweight business professor like that. Shame on them. The poor old business professor only wants to marry his sweet 19 year old Illiterate Filipina fiance and live happily ever after in Pussy Heaven. What do you think an illiterate sex toy will be discussing with a Khao San Road instant PhD over a dinner of rice and err. Rice? Euclid's elements of geometry or King Agamemnon's quarrel in the Illiad? In the meantime, he should be able to waive the Confederate flag down on main street, use illegal aliens to wipe his ass for $1 an hour, short change toothless black hookers at will, drive his V8 Hellcat Charger while giving the finger to Tesla drivers, fire his AR-15 at homeless people and spout racists comments as he sees fit. He lives in a free country. Yet those Antifa aligned thugs are making sure that his life is miserable. There is no justice in this world. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]No worries, Erectile Dysfunction, the joke is on you! The beautiful, sweet, young and busty is employed and studying to be a teacher and we have plenty to talk about. She is everything you could never have what with your chrome dome, faux pas bible reading and a pock face that not even a mother could love. Go back to reach around and whacking off with ugly cam girls. Go back to Oz the penitentiary of England you worthless fucking puke and your fucking choo choo trains. I am neither poor nor old. You, on the other hand, could never date a legitimate beautiful girl anywhere in the world because they would see right through to your ugly core.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508024]So much so that a "lock him up" movement may soon emerge.[/QUOTE]We're probably looking at a second civil war if that happens.

It wouldn't surprise me given the close relationship between the Iranian regime and Biden's administration. Iran, a country that imprison innocent Europeans and Americans.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508226]We're probably looking at a second civil war if that happens.[/QUOTE]There's no "we're" to it. You are a Swede, wannabe American pretending in a monger forum. Just a reminder. Wink.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507980]Haha, you're still talking about the election. [/QUOTE]Given the result I'm sure you'd prefer that we stop, but no, it's way too much fun. Keep on crying.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508279]There's no "we're" to it. You are a Swede, wannabe American pretending in a monger forum. Just a reminder. Wink.[/QUOTE]No one cares about your opinion, you're just a pathetic old fart hiding in the basement.

You're irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508281]Given the result I'm sure you'd prefer that we stop, but no, it's way too much fun. Keep on crying.[/QUOTE]9 million more Americans came out to vote for Trump. Amazing.

USA is a deeply divided country and the election could have gone either way. Too bad that the outcome will mean that more innocent people are going to get murdered by Islamic terrorists in Iran and Israel.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508283]No one cares about your opinion, you're just a pathetic old fart hiding in the basement.

You're irrelevant.[/QUOTE]You clearly are the basement dweller Shoo Swede, across numerous threads here all day, every day pretending to be an American. Plus that insult has been around the internet for decades. Try and resource a bit of brain power and come up with something a bit less trite next time, K?

But yea these days are just too fun, Trump a turtle on his back in the hot sun, desperately flailing away in vain.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508290]9 million more Americans came out to vote for Trump. Amazing. [/QUOTE]Too bad for you there's a pandemic going on and mail in votes count also. As it stands now Joe is up just under 7 million votes. Cry me a river Shoo Swede.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508290]USA is a deeply divided country and the election could have gone either way. [/QUOTE]Trump cultists, though substantial in numbers are still very much a minority. They are welcome to continue to squawk, lie, and try to derail democracy, as long as they stay on the right side of the law. If any cross the line the system will deal with them.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508290]Too bad that the outcome will mean that more innocent people are going to get murdered by Islamic terrorists in Iran and Israel.[/QUOTE]We are going to rejoin our allies in matters of Iran policy. Regarding Isis, the greatest gains against them were made under Obama / Biden.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

That's though Isis is seeing a comeback, especially in Africa and under Dump's watch.

[URL]https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2020/0728/Under-cover-of-COVID-ISIS-is-seeking-a-comeback[/URL]

[QUOTE=DCups;2508160]No worries, Erectile Dysfunction, the joke is on you! The beautiful, sweet, young and busty is employed and studying to be a teacher and we have plenty to talk about. She is everything you could never have what with your chrome dome, faux pas bible reading and a pock face that not even a mother could love. Go back to reach around and whacking off with ugly cam girls. Go back to Oz the penitentiary of England you worthless fucking puke and your fucking choo choo trains. I am neither poor nor old. You, on the other hand, could never date a legitimate beautiful girl anywhere in the world because they would see right through to your ugly core.[/QUOTE]As Abraham Lincoln said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508327]But yea these days are just too fun, Trump a turtle on his back in the hot sun, desperately flailing away in vain.[/QUOTE]He's been that way (flailing pointlessly at air) since his first days in office. He had incompetents write much his first executive orders that were incoherent / ineffectual and had be rewritten (like a paper that got a failing grade).

For four years it has been the stupid in charge, who succeeded only in lowering corporate taxes.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508364]Too bad for you there's a pandemic going on and mail in votes count also. As it stands now Joe is up just under 7 million votes. Cry me a river Shoo Swede.

Trump cultists, though substantial in numbers are still very much a minority. They are welcome to continue to squawk, lie, and try to derail democracy, as long as they stay on the right side of the law. If any cross the line the system will deal with them.

We are going to rejoin our allies in matters of Iran policy. Regarding Isis, the greatest gains against them were made under Obama / Biden.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

That's though Isis is seeing a comeback, especially in Africa and under Dump's watch.

[URL]https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2020/0728/Under-cover-of-COVID-ISIS-is-seeking-a-comeback[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you have Alzheimer's? That would explain why you sound like a broken record with your "shoo swede" nonsense.

What does it even mean? Is it supposed to be funny? Am I supposed to feel insulted? You sound ridiculous. Maybe that's what happens when a old fart is isolated in his basement for too long.

ISIS grew strong under the Obama administration. I can only imagine what CNN and MSNBC would sound like if that happened during Trump's presidency.

Isn't Israel an ally of USA? Why did Obama give billions of dollars to a regime that tortures American & European citizens?

Iran used the billions Obama gave them to buy weapons which enabled them to pay off spies in USA & Europe and commit terror attacks against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Lebanon.

Iran is the host and protector of many top Al-Qaida leaders.

Iran is basically the Shia version of ISIS.

You're the true NPC, whatever CNN says you believe and repeat.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/iran-western-hostages-leverage-future-deals-2020-11%3Famp[/URL]

USA should pick their friends a lot better, Biden is guilty of enabling the Iranian regime and their terror plots.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Do you have Alzheimer's? That would explain why you sound like a broken record with your "shoo swede" nonsense. [/QUOTE]Well that's what you are, a "Shoo Swede," basement dwelling twerp in Sweden constantly pretending to be an American here, and were caught doing so. That was the funny part, thus the nickname. And if someone with Alzheimer's has continually owned you, both in presidential politics with your failed election predictions and other lies trying to defend Trump, plus the failed policies of your country regarding Covid and related issues, what does that say about you? I'm 54. My 80 year old neighbor thinks I'm young. 20 somethings think I'm old. None of it make any difference to me. What matters is how well someone can establish their claims. You fall quite short in that regard, but I tend to think the issue is IQ deficiency as opposed to disease.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]ISIS grew strong under the Obama administration.[/QUOTE]Troop withdrawal agreements were set under the Bush administration, plus it's highly debateable how much this factored into the founding of Isis. Trump himself supported these withdrawals in 2007, as did the vast majority of Americans in 2011. Have a read. Expand your horizons beyond a quickie talking point.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/trumps-false-obama-isis-link/[/URL]

Again, Obama did far more to diminish Isis than Trump. Check the maps. Don't agree with the evidence? Then provide some of your own. Guys like you and Canada that only recite talking points aren't worth my time.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

Isis is also making a comeback. Link was provided.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Isn't Israel an ally of USA? Why did Obama give billions of dollars to a regime that tortures American & European citizens? [/QUOTE]This is a long debunked Trump talking point. And irrespective of the seized Iranian money that was returned by an alliance of countries after the lifting of sanctions, they have plenty to sponsor terrorism if they wish to do so.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Iran used the billions Obama gave them to buy weapons which enabled them to pay off spies in USA & Europe and commit terror attacks against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Lebanon. [/QUOTE]See above.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563][URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/iran-western-hostages-leverage-future-deals-2020-11%3Famp[/URL] [/QUOTE]This source confirms nothing other than that relations with Iran have never been worse, with two recent assassinations and their nuclear goals proceeding forward. That's all on Trump's watch. Same can be said for the old Palestinian question, wholly unresolved. There is a lot of work to do, but we will get to work shortly. But hey, you rattle off a bunch of claims, and the only source you provide hurts your case. Real swift. LOL.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]USA should pick their friends a lot better, Biden is guilty of enabling the Iranian regime and their terror plots.[/QUOTE]A huge YAWN. More posturing from a Swedish basement, but again, saying it's so never makes it so. Remember that going forward.

Seems you've dropped the idea that Trump's going to remain president. That's progress. Wink But hey, speaking of lost lives, we are approaching 300 K here in the US with Covid, much of which is thanks to Trump's failed policies, arrogance, super spreader events, and general rejection of science. Your sanctimonious tone, especially coming from a Trump suck up Swede with the 6000+ unnecessary Covid deaths in your country rings hollow.

P.S. The strongest points in debate typically aren't the ones that are addressed, but the ones that are ignored. Now watch all the points that Shoe Swede ignores. Wink That's his MO, picks the one or two points he feels he has the best chance of contorting. LOL.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508543]He's been that way (flailing pointlessly at air) since his first days in office. He had incompetents write much his first executive orders that were incoherent / ineffectual and had be rewritten (like a paper that got a failing grade).

For four years it has been the stupid in charge, who succeeded only in lowering corporate taxes.[/QUOTE]He had some good men at times, especially at the start, but they didn't last. Autocrats can only tolerate yes men, and such are usually the least qualified. The sheer volume of dismissals and resignations is staggering.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39826934[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2507733]Hahahahahahahahaha.

"Beloved" presidents don't lose by 7 million legal and recounted votes. Hahahahahaha.

Although four years ago a good lady lost by the same 74 electoral votes.[/QUOTE]A good lady? You're even dumber than I thought! Hillary Clinton was an awful secretary of state and an even worse wife apparently. She should be wearing an orange jump suit along with the Bidens.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508616]Well that's what you are, a "Shoo Swede," basement dwelling twerp in Sweden constantly pretending to be an American here, and were caught doing so. That was the funny part, thus the nickname. And if someone with Alzheimer's has continually owned you, both in presidential politics with your failed election predictions and other lies trying to defend Trump, plus the failed policies of your country regarding Covid and related issues, what does that say about you? I'm 54. My 80 year old neighbor thinks I'm young. 20 somethings think I'm old. None of it make any difference to me. What matters is how well someone can establish their claims. You fall quite short in that regard, but I tend to think the issue is IQ deficiency as opposed to disease.

Troop withdrawal agreements were set under the Bush administration, plus it's highly debateable how much this factored into the founding of Isis. Trump himself supported these withdrawals in 2007, as did the vast majority of Americans in 2011. Have a read. Expand your horizons beyond a quickie talking point.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/trumps-false-obama-isis-link/[/URL]

Again, Obama did far more to diminish Isis than Trump. Check the maps. Don't agree with the evidence? Then provide some of your own. Guys like you and Canada that only recite talking points aren't worth my time.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

Isis is also making a comeback. Link was provided.

This is a long debunked Trump talking point. And irrespective of the seized Iranian money that was returned by an alliance of countries after the lifting of sanctions, they have plenty to sponsor terrorism if they wish to do so.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

See above.

This source confirms nothing other than that relations with Iran have never been worse, with two recent assassinations and their nuclear goals proceeding forward. That's all on Trump's watch. Same can be said for the old Palestinian question, wholly unresolved. There is a lot of work to do, but we will get to work shortly. But hey, you rattle off a bunch of claims, and the only source you provide hurts your case. Real swift. LOL.

A huge YAWN. More posturing from a Swedish basement, but again, saying it's so never makes it so. Remember that going forward..[/QUOTE]Only 54 years old and you already sound like a demented old loner.

It's funny how you're the one guilty of the very things you accuse me of. I'm still waiting for an explanation in regards to your demented nagging of "shoo swede".

I'm just happy that my country is doing so much better than the blue states in USA. Your precious libtard governors and mayors really screwed things up. In Sweden we have less deaths per capita without any lockdowns.

Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians.

Have you even been to the Middle East? You are so clueless and arrogant.

It's pathetic to see your excuses and how you put party before facts. Just look at the facts, ISIS is weaker today than when Obama left the White House and ISIS sure as hell was a lot stronger under the Obama administration than when Bush left the White House. Accept the reality.

Obama sponsored Iran's state terrorism and it looks like Biden will continue doing so. If you'd any real knowledge, instead of just repeating CNN's talking points, you'd know that the Middle East is subjected to great terror when countries like USA turns an blind eye to Iran's terrorism.

Under Obama the White House became a nest for pro-regime lobbyist. It was disgusting, and the main reason why Trump gained many votes from the Iranian diaspora. Pretty much the same thing as he did with Cuba. He put America's enemies over the American people. Obama also sabotaged the relationship with Israel in his eagerness to suck up to the Iranian regime.

Obama was almost as naive and pathetic as Neville Chamberlain was to Hitler. He was unfit to be president and he truly didn't understand the mentality of the Middle East. Trump does. Iran used Obama's weakness and expanded their imperialistic ambitions. You do not understand this because you're an ugly American out of touch with the world outside the US. You want to be friends with a regime that regularly kidnaps Americans & Europeans to trade them against sentenced terrorists. Iran is a terror state. Why do you want to be friends with a terror state that tortures Europeans and Americans?

Iran continued with their plans to develop nuclear weapons under Obama. If you had any true knowledge you would know that Iran is a threat to world even without nuclear weapons. They already did a lot of harm and it got a lot worse because of Obama and his appeasing strategy. Trump took the fight against Iran just as Churchill took the fight against Hitler.

Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain.

I've been right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. Especially considering how you ignore the responsibilities of regular people and the politicians in charge of the blue states. You ignore facts to take cheap shots at President Trump. You truly are a demagogue. You lie all the time.

How does it feel that there are over 74 million "Trump cultists" in USA? How does it feel that the "Trump cultists" still controls the senate?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508779]Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain.[/QUOTE]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment!

Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians. No he returned illegally confiscated money to the Iranian Government. They do have elections there maybe not free but no worse than the elections in Russia where Trump considers Putin a God!

Have you even been to the Middle East? You are so clueless and arrogant. I have, worked in Saudi, visited Dubai regularly, been to Turkey.

It's pathetic to see your excuses and how you put party before facts. Just look at the facts, ISIS is weaker today than when Obama left the White House and ISIS sure as hell was a lot stronger under the Obama administration than when Bush left the White House. Accept the reality. ISIS and Al Qaeda are Sunni organisations funded by Saudi Arabia and the other Sunni gulf states. Iran, Hezbollah, Turkey and Shia Iraq defeated Isis.

Obama sponsored Iran's state terrorism and it looks like Biden will continue doing so. If you'd any real knowledge, instead of just repeating CNN's talking points, you'd know that the Middle East is subjected to great terror when countries like USA turns an blind eye to Iran's terrorism. Give an example of Iranian State Terrorism? Apart from support of the organisations fighting the Fascist Israeli regime they have had no particular involvement in conflicts.

Under Obama the White House became a nest for pro-regime lobbyist. It was disgusting, and the main reason why Trump gained many votes from the Iranian diaspora. Pretty much the same thing as he did with Cuba. He put America's enemies over the American people. Obama also sabotaged the relationship with Israel in his eagerness to suck up to the Iranian regime. Another opinion with no basis in fact. The Iranian regime actively supported the US against Al Qaeda and there was a great opportunity for improved relations with Iran until Bush came out with his Axis of evil comment. I haven't seen any evidence of Trumps policyies working.

Obama was almost as naive and pathetic as Neville Chamberlain was to Hitler. He was unfit to be president and he truly didn't understand the mentality of the Middle East. Trump does. Iran used Obama's weakness and expanded their imperialistic ambitions. You do not understand this because you're an ugly American out of touch with the world outside the US. You want to be friends with a regime that regularly kidnaps Americans & Europeans to trade them against sentenced terrorists. Iran is a terror state. Why do you want to be friends with a terror state that tortures Europeans and Americans? Anti Israel and anti Saudi does not make them terrorists. I personally think arm them all to the teeth and let them have at it. The sooner the world goes to electric vehicles and noone needs to buy middle east oil the better. They can all go back to fucking camels.

Iran continued with their plans to develop nuclear weapons under Obama. If you had any true knowledge you would know that Iran is a threat to world even without nuclear weapons. They already did a lot of harm and it got a lot worse because of Obama and his appeasing strategy. Trump took the fight against Iran just as Churchill took the fight against Hitler. Who cares? Maybe you haven't noticed but the world is in the grip of a pandemic. It is far cheaper to develop bioagents than nuclear weapons! Think about it.

Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain. There will be no peace until Israel is reigned in. In the Balkans war they were settling scores centuries old. In the middle east the scores go back millennia. You are naive to think Trump has fixed anything.

I've been right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. Especially considering how you ignore the responsibilities of regular people and the politicians in charge of the blue states. You ignore facts to take cheap shots at President Trump. You truly are a demagogue. You lie all the time. The Us is now getting over 200,000 new infections a day and over 2000 deaths. Now Red states are introducing lockdowns and restrictions because their hospitals can no longer cope.

How does it feel that there are over 74 million "Trump cultists" in USA? How does it feel that the "Trump cultists" still controls the senate? It is time to split the country up. An east coast blue country in the north east and a west coast blue country. The Red states will love it until there is noone subsidising the farmers and noone buying oil. By noone I mean the Blue states that are the wealth generators.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]They have just suffered a bruising defeat as their talking points flopped. Expect some extra kicking, screaming, and crying for a while, while Dump orders Jack Kemp to override the voters in GA. But what is coming up is essentially yes to a third Obama term, and hell no to the brief Trump experiment, with a 7 million vote spread and very comfortable win in the electoral college. The market is also very happy about all of this, Dow well over 30 K, as it looks forward to stability and freedom from the whims of a pathological liar / crook / egomaniac. What a disaster, and we are having to drag the petulant child out kicking and screaming, literally.

P.S. Interesting how Trump never used the "Obama / Biden gave $ to Iran to fund terrorists" nonsense in the debates or in any attack ads, at least not here in swing state Florida. Such is only fit for butthurt Trumpists in monger forums. Wink.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment!.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Obama's accomplishments against terrorism, I'm going to add an excerpt from an article that of course has only been ignored here. The author is an academic scholar and former worker in CIA counter-terrorism as well as in US Army Information Operations. The link to the complete article is below, and it contains maps that are US Pentagon source materials. In spite of lies from Trump and Pence, none of which is surprising, Obama's military accomplishments in the matter of ISIS were decidedly more substantial.

"The 'light footprint' war against ISIS known as Operation Inherent Resolve was launched by Obama in 2014 and was criticized by Republicans because the president chose an unconventional proxy approach to war. This approach leveraged local Kurdish fighters and Iraqi soldiers to fight to achieve America's goals instead of a 2003-11 Iraq War "Shock and Awe" style conventional "big war" with US troops in the vanguard doing the fighting and dying. Despite widespread criticism from Republicans, Obama's unconventional proxy approach worked and, according to Pentagon, State Department, think tanks, Anti-ISIS Coalition and other sources, the campaign achieved tremendous success on all fronts by the time Trump took office in January 2017.

The US envoy to the anti-ISIS Coalition Brett McGurk, for example, stated a month before Trump took office, 'in early 2016 . . . About 50 percent of the Islamic State territory had been cleared. ' The Global Anti-ISIS Coalition similarly reported 'by November 2016 (two months before Trump took office) Islamic State had lost 62 per cent of its mid-2014 'peak' territory in Iraq, and 30 per cent in Syria. ' In addition, the widely respected British think tank IHS Markit reported that by the final months of Obama's presidency, ISIS territory in Iraq had shrunk from 40 percent of the country to just 10 percent. Pentagon and State Department maps of the war on ISIS from this period further demonstrate that in the two and half years the war was fought under Obama the Islamic State lost its only international border to the world (its strategic resupply border with Turkey) and vast swathes of territory. They clearly show that approximately half of the Islamic State's territory had been liberated by the time Obama left office. See State Department and Pentagon maps from late 2016 below:

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]Trump received 11 million more votes than in the 2016 election so obviously he did something right.

You put party over country and facts. It's disturbing to witness.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2508943]Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians. No he returned illegally confiscated money to the Iranian Government. They do have elections there maybe not free but no worse than the elections in Russia where Trump considers Putin a God!.[/QUOTE]Iran is one of the three worst dictatorships in the world, they make Russia look like a liberal democracy. You've shown your contempt for democracy and human lives by diminishing the daily atrocities ordered and committed by the Iranian regime.

It's funny that you claimed that the money was "illegally confiscated" considering how the Iranian regime daily violates the human rights of Iranians and people all over the Middle East. My Shia Iraqi friends don't like USA, but they absolutely hate Iran and how they are fueling terrorism, violence and division in their country. My Lebanese friends (Christians, Shias, Sunnis and Sushis) don't like USA, but they hate Iran for their support of terrorism (Hezbollah) in their country. They basically turned Lebanon into a battleground. Iran is very much involved in the civil war in Yemen in an attempt to weaken Saudi Arabia and create a new basis for terror attacks against them.

Israel is the only democracy and bright star of the Middle East.

Trump did great things for the Middle East and would have made even greater progress if he'the been given four more years. He took out two key figures for the Iranians and deepened the relationship with Israel and the Arab states.

In short, Iran kidnaps & tortures US & EU citizens, persecution & execution of their own citizens, guilty of terrorism and aiding of high up Al-Al-Qaida leaders. The biggest threat to democracy and peace in the Middle East is Iran.

[URL]https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/al-qaeda-iran[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]Obama is probably the worst foreign policy President USA ever had, and it's not like Bush wasn't terrible. Bin Laden's death had nothing to do with Obama. When you act like that's an accomplishment of Obama you only make me laugh at you.

Obama destroyed the relationship with Israel while he let Americas enemies like Iran and Cuba walk all over him. I've been disappointed that Trump didn't do a better job with curbing Erdogan, but let's have a read on the relationship between Obama and Erdogan:

"Barack Obama, for example, described the Turkish leader as one of his most trusted friends and even said he took advice from the Turkish leader on how to raise daughters — never mind that, under Erdogan, the murder rate of women has grown 1,400% and Erdogan declared that a woman's duty was to raise children, and nothing more."

[URL]https://www.aei.org/op-eds/turkeys-influence-operation-on-the-biden-campaign-is-just-getting-started/[/URL]

You should open your eyes and realize how terrible Obama was when it came to foreign policy.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2509026]Speaking of Obama's accomplishments against terrorism, I'm going to add an excerpt from an article that of course has only been ignored here. The author is an academic scholar and former worker in CIA counter-terrorism as well as in US Army Information Operations. The link to the complete article is below, and it contains maps that are US Pentagon source materials. In spite of lies from Trump and Pence, none of which is surprising, Obama's military accomplishments in the matter of ISIS were decidedly more substantial.

"The 'light footprint' war against ISIS known as Operation Inherent Resolve was launched by Obama in 2014 and was criticized by Republicans because the president chose an unconventional proxy approach to war. This approach leveraged local Kurdish fighters and Iraqi soldiers to fight to achieve America's goals instead of a 2003-11 Iraq War "Shock and Awe" style conventional "big war" with US troops in the vanguard doing the fighting and dying. Despite widespread criticism from Republicans, Obama's unconventional proxy approach worked and, according to Pentagon, State Department, think tanks, Anti-ISIS Coalition and other sources, the campaign achieved tremendous success on all fronts by the time Trump took office in January 2017.[/QUOTE]So you're saying that Obama let ISIS grow strong and make their biggest land winnings under his presidency? It wasn't until Trump came into office that ISIS was reduced to shatters.

One question, why did Obama let ISIS grow so strong? What's the point of having the world's strongest and most expensive military if you let ISIS make such large land winnings?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509060]Trump received 11 million more votes than in the 2016 election so obviously he did something right.

You put party over country and facts. It's disturbing to witness.[/QUOTE]Never in the United States has a presidential incumbent had more votes casts against his re-election than Trump.

No incumbant has ever gotten as much ballot rejection than Donald Fuck-up Trump.

The last incumbent to run was Barack Obama. He got about 66 million votes. Romney got around 61 million and roughly 2 million votes went to minor party candidates.

63 million voters did not want a repeat of Barack Obama. When counting all the votes against Trump, it looks like it will be 35 or 40% greater!

Donald Trump was not beloved. He's been spit out of office by around 84 million votes and still counting! That's over 20 million more thumbs down votes than anyone else that held that office.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509144]Never in the United States has a presidential incumbent had more votes casts against his re-election than Trump.

No incumbant has ever gotten as much ballot rejection than Donald Fuck-up Trump.

The last incumbent to run was Barack Obama. He got about 66 million votes. Romney got around 61 million and roughly 2 million votes went to minor party candidates.

63 million voters did not want a repeat of Barack Obama. When counting all the votes against Trump, it looks like it will be 35 or 40% greater!

Donald Trump was not beloved. He's been spit out of office by around 84 million votes and still counting! That's over 20 million more thumbs down votes than anyone else that held that office.[/QUOTE]A recent Gallup poll gives Biden a 55% favorable rating, Trump 42%. Trump wasn't able to turn it into a lessor of two evils contest like he did against Hillary.

[URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/326885/biden-favorability-rises-trump-dips.aspx[/URL]

And Gallup, BTW, is considered of the least biased, most reliable polls.

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gallup/[/URL]

And of the hardcore Trump cultists, these are only being sustained by lies / fake news sources. Hopefully some will begin waking up along the way.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509144]Never in the United States has a presidential incumbent had more votes casts against his re-election than Trump.

No incumbant has ever gotten as much ballot rejection than Donald Fuck-up Trump.

The last incumbent to run was Barack Obama. He got about 66 million votes. Romney got around 61 million and roughly 2 million votes went to minor party candidates.

63 million voters did not want a repeat of Barack Obama. When counting all the votes against Trump, it looks like it will be 35 or 40% greater!

Donald Trump was not beloved. He's been spit out of office by around 84 million votes and still counting! That's over 20 million more thumbs down votes than anyone else that held that office.[/QUOTE]Donald Trump is so beloved that despite a recession and having the fake news media against him, they still had to count the votes for four days before they could even announce a winner. No one had received over 70 million votes before this election, Trump crushed it by several millions. Trump sure made the World great again! He showed Iran that their terrorism wouldn't go unpunished. As said, the American people loves Trump!

Biden hasn't received 84, not even 82, million votes as we speak. You should learn how to count. You're an embarrassment for yourself. Stop being a pathetic hater.

More and more death threats against Republican politicians are pouring into Georgia, inspired by Trump's race baiting lies / conspiracy theories about election fraud.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/state-senator-latest-georgia-official-facing-death-threats-following-election-results-fraud-1552613[/URL]

It isn't a wonder that Trump's own Department of Homeland Security in a recent report determined that white supremacists are by far our greatest and deadliest domestic terror threat. And this is precisely the brand of home grown terrorism that Trump consistently inspires.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2509189]More and more death threats against Republican politicians are pouring into Georgia, inspired by Trump's race baiting lies / conspiracy theories about election fraud.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/state-senator-latest-georgia-official-facing-death-threats-following-election-results-fraud-1552613[/URL]

It isn't a wonder that Trump's own Department of Homeland Security in a recent report determined that white supremacists are by far our greatest and deadliest domestic terror threat. And this is precisely the brand of home grown terrorism that Trump consistently inspires.

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, the problem in Portland are all those white supremacists. Get real.

The biggest threat in Europe is Islamic terrorism, just wait long enough and the Democrats will give you the European / French experience.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509125]So you're saying that Obama let ISIS grow strong and make their biggest land winnings under his presidency? It wasn't until Trump came into office that ISIS was reduced to shatters.

One question, why did Obama let ISIS grow so strong? What's the point of having the world's strongest and most expensive military if you let ISIS make such large land winnings?[/QUOTE]This just shows like with all other topics you are just accessing mini talking points from highly biased sources, and haven't bothered to do any research, thus the loaded, simplistic questions. The troop withdrawals from Iraq were based on agreements established by the Bush administration and the Iraqi govt. Trump is on record supporting them. The Iraqi govt wanted us out and we were contractually obligated to leave. The vast majority of the American people wanted us out. Obama fulfilled the withdrawal agreement in 2011. And if you are looking to assign blame in hindsight, you can just as easily look back to 2003 and the Bush administration and the invasion of Iraq to begin with, which created a large, very angry Sunni demographic. Also the Syrian Civil War was a big contributing factor in the rise of ISIS post 2011, which is unrelated to any decision to not renegotiate a deal for continued troop deployments in Iraq. It's also far from certain that such an agreement could have been reached at the time.

Again the greatest blows to ISIS were accomplished militarily during the Obama administration with a new proxy war strategy, as demonstrated in the article I posted. It was not only very effective but minimized casualties among our soldiers. And ISIS is not finished, far from it. Here's another link since you ignored the last one.

[URL]https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/2020-08-21/terrorist-threat-not-finished[/URL]

Plus even if they were, other militants by a different name would replace them as long as the present, longstanding tensions exist, Iran remains obstinate while expanding their nuclear capabilities, and the Palestinian matter remains unresolved. Trump has accomplished nothing in these regards.

And, last but not least, Trump is stoking plenty of terrorist activity with associated deaths here in the USA among the racists that he courts, so I'm hardly impressed with any successes he had following behind Obama with ISIS. He did have a few good generals early on but he ran them all off. Plus who knows what will follow all the troop withdrawals that Trump has been implementing recently.

That said, this is my last reply to fallacies, or dishonest or overly simplistic talking points. That especially replies to points I've already answered multiple times. If you invest some time and come up with something better I'll likely reply, some decent research and source citations. In the meantime I'll continue posting anything I find interesting. Much of it will be unfavorable to Trump. You are free to trail behind and heckle. I'm sure you will. In the meantime maybe you can find a way to get over here, earn your citizenship and voting rights so you'll have some real say in these matters. Pretending to be an American in a monger forum and getting caught is embarrassing, to say the least. LOL.

Iran is one of the three worst dictatorships in the world, they make Russia look like a liberal democracy. You've shown your contempt for democracy and human lives by diminishing the daily atrocities ordered and committed by the Iranian regime. No I compared them to Russia which is a dictatorship under most definitions. But you like dictatorships. You like Saudi Arabia that funds ISIS and Al Qaeda and of course you like Trump who will not accept the will of the people who by a 7 million majority rejected his repugnant presidency.

It's funny that you claimed that the money was "illegally confiscated" considering how the Iranian regime daily violates the human rights of Iranians and people all over the Middle East. My Shia Iraqi friends don't like USA, but they absolutely hate Iran and how they are fueling terrorism, violence and division in their country. My Lebanese friends (Christians, Shias, Sunnis and Sushis) don't like USA, but they hate Iran for their support of terrorism (Hezbollah) in their country. They basically turned Lebanon into a battleground. Iran is very much involved in the civil war in Yemen in an attempt to weaken Saudi Arabia and create a new basis for terror attacks against them. Yes the money was illegally confiscated. It was deposits for aircraft made by the Shah and official bank deposits The US had no legal right to those funds. Prove that they did rather than talk about irrelevant nonsense. You calling something terrorist does not make it so. All these conflicts you talk about are long running and not helped by any foreign influence By Iran, US, Israel, Saudi, Turkey, Russia or anyone else who thinks they have a right to influence the region.

Israel is the only democracy and bright star of the Middle East. Israel is not a democracy. The Islamic Palestinians were forced from the country at gunpoint in a clear act of Apartheid and is the cause of much of the friction in the region over the last 60 years. You are not a democracy when you drive out a section of your population and replace them with foreigner refugees.

Trump did great things for the Middle East and would have made even greater progress if he'd been given four more years. He took out two key figures for the Iranians and deepened the relationship with Israel and the Arab states. LOL, keep drinking the Trump cool aid.

In short, Iran kidnaps & tortures US & EU citizens, persecution & execution of their own citizens, guilty of terrorism and aiding of high up Al-Al-Qaida leaders. The biggest threat to democracy and peace in the Middle East is Iran. In short Iran has been unfairly targeted by the US and its cronies and reacts by holding hostages. I don't approve but I can understand it. The UK illegally seizes and Iranian vessel, Iran go and does the same to a British vessel. Not too difficult to understand is it?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509125]So you're saying that Obama let ISIS grow strong and make their biggest land winnings under his presidency? It wasn't until Trump came into office that ISIS was reduced to shatters.

One question, why did Obama let ISIS grow so strong? What's the point of having the world's strongest and most expensive military if you let ISIS make such large land winnings?[/QUOTE]Firstly Trump did nothing to defeat ISIS. ISIS was defeated by Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

ISIS grew from the civil war funded by the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia. Obama did not interfere as it has been US policy to try and have the Assad regime removed.

For someone who thinks they know the middle east you are one very ignorant guy!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509183]Donald Trump is so beloved that despite a recession and having the fake news media against him, they still had to count the votes for four days before they could even announce a winner. No one had received over 70 million votes before this election, Trump crushed it by several millions. Trump sure made the World great again! He showed Iran that their terrorism wouldn't go unpunished. As said, the American people loves Trump!

Biden hasn't received 84, not even 82, million votes as we speak. You should learn how to count. You're an embarrassment for yourself. Stop being a pathetic hater.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I[/URL]

Go ahead, give your lungs a good work out! WAAAAA.

Trump's isolationism has only strengthen our enemies and alienated us from our allies. He's made kooky conspiracy theories and the fake media sources that peddle them, Qanon, Brietbart, World Tribune, and NewMax, even Hannity and Carlson, the norm for the ill educated in the USA. Constant lying and grifting are normal, coup attempts, conning, and causing the deaths of 10's of 1000's of Americans with super spreader events and arrogant rejections of science, normal. America said no more, loud and clear. A twerp in a basement over in Sweden says yes, but you don't even have a vote. Oh well! LOL.

P.S. Iran? Well they just keep trucking along, as they've been at this many decades. Trump's approach isn't working. No regime change is in sight. Their nuclear aspirations and support for their allies continue.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509183]Donald Trump is so beloved that despite a recession and having the fake news media against him, they still had to count the votes for four days before they could even announce a winner. No one had received over 70 million votes before this election, Trump crushed it by several millions. Trump sure made the World great again! He showed Iran that their terrorism wouldn't go unpunished. As said, the American people loves Trump!

Biden hasn't received 84, not even 82, million votes as we speak. You should learn how to count. You're an embarrassment for yourself. Stop being a pathetic hater.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the poster didn't proofread.

The facts are: 1. Biden received approximately 7 MM more votes than Trump; 2. Biden won the EC in a landslide (if Trump could use that word 4 years ago, Biden can use it now since the number of EC votes were exactly the same); 3. The vote counting took longer because many Republican-led states passed laws preventing pre-processing of mail-in votes prior to election day. You and Trump want it to seem nefarious.

Yep, Americans loved DJT so much that they voted him out of office after 4 years. And Trump remains the only one term President who lost the popular vote twice and was impeached.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509183]Biden hasn't received 84, not even 82, million votes as we speak.[/QUOTE]I didn't say he did stupid.

What a stupid argument. To say I said something I did not.

You are a loser debater.

Go have fun with your fellow loser.

Trump's approval ratings in Europe See attachment for a poll conducted over the summer. All are under 20%, Belgium at 9, the UK at 19, Sweden at 15, France at 11. Our allies in Europe are even more eager for change than we are, and it's encouraging to see that only tiny minorities in these countries have their heads lodged up their asses.

Conservatives are encouraged to field a reasonable candidate for 2024, but this brief experiment with autocratic demagoguery needs to be the last.

"The only people brave enough to vote out this corrupt establishment is you, the American people. " - Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509421]I didn't say he did stupid.

What a stupid argument. To say I said something I did not.

You are a loser debater.

Go have fun with your fellow loser.[/QUOTE]Why are you lying? As it wasn't bad enough already with you being a brainwashed libtard, now you're a liar as well.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2509318][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I[/URL]

Go ahead, give your lungs a good work out! WAAAAA.

Trump's isolationism has only strengthen our enemies and alienated us from our allies. He's made kooky conspiracy theories and the fake media sources that peddle them, Qanon, Brietbart, World Tribune, and NewMax, even Hannity and Carlson, the norm for the ill educated in the USA. Constant lying and grifting are normal, coup attempts, conning, and causing the deaths of 10's of 1000's of Americans with super spreader events and arrogant rejections of science, normal. America said no more, loud and clear. A twerp in a basement over in Sweden says yes, but you don't even have a vote. Oh well! LOL.

P.S. Iran? Well they just keep trucking along, as they've been at this many decades. Trump's approach isn't working. No regime change is in sight. Their nuclear aspirations and support for their allies continue.[/QUOTE]I will never forget how Trump made you libtards cry, how wonderful it was.

Obama showed weakness and the Iranians used that to maximum. Trump was on his way to break them. With Trump out of the office the Iranians can do whatever they want because the Biden administration will do absolutely nothing. They're like Neville Chamberlain.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509461]Why are you lying? As it wasn't bad enough already with you being a brainwashed libtard, now you're a liar as well.[/QUOTE]I'm not lying.

On the other hand, your stupidity and disingenuineness still flows.

I really like Barack Obama. I think that he's working very hard. He's trying to rebuild our reputation throughout the world. The previous administration was a total disaster, a total catastrophe. He was handed a pretty bad deck of cards. And I'm not saying I agree with everything he's doing. He's a champion. I mean, he won against all odds. When he first announced, people were giving him virtually no chance. And he's just done something that's amazing. - Donald Trump to NBC News.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509491]I'm not lying.

On the other hand, your stupidity and disingenuineness still flows.[/QUOTE]You're a liar, a dumb one as well.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2509311]Iran is one of the three worst dictatorships in the world, they make Russia look like a liberal democracy. You've shown your contempt for democracy and human lives by diminishing the daily atrocities ordered and committed by the Iranian regime. No I compared them to Russia which is a dictatorship under most definitions. But you like dictatorships. You like Saudi Arabia that funds ISIS and Al Qaeda and of course you like Trump who will not accept the will of the people who by a 7 million majority rejected his repugnant presidency.

It's funny that you claimed that the money was "illegally confiscated" considering how the Iranian regime daily violates the human rights of Iranians and people all over the Middle East. My Shia Iraqi friends don't like USA, but they absolutely hate Iran and how they are fueling terrorism, violence and division in their country. My Lebanese friends (Christians, Shias, Sunnis and Sushis) don't like USA, but they hate Iran for their support of terrorism (Hezbollah) in their country. They basically turned Lebanon into a battleground. Iran is very much involved in the civil war in Yemen in an attempt to weaken Saudi Arabia and create a new basis for terror attacks against them. Yes the money was illegally confiscated. It was deposits for aircraft made by the Shah and official bank deposits The US had no legal right to those funds. Prove that they did rather than talk about irrelevant nonsense. You calling something terrorist does not make it so. All these conflicts you talk about are long running and not helped by any foreign influence By Iran, US, Israel, Saudi, Turkey, Russia or anyone else who thinks they have a right to influence the region.[/QUOTE]The Saudi state does not sponsor ISIS nor do they sponsor Al-Qaida. Iran on the other hand is collaborating with Al-Qaida to kill Americans. Why do you hate Americans so much that you wish them to be killed by the alliance between Al-Qaida, Hezbollah and Iran? Funny how you hate on Russia for being a dictatorship while you so rabidly defend Iran. Maybe you should watch some real news and turn CNN off for a while. Trump had a great presidency, especially compared to Obama, and just like Al Gore he is under no obligation to admit his defeat. It's funny how people like you are so mentally deranged that you want different rules for Republican and Democratic candidates. You've revealed yourself as an extremist and enemy of democracy.

No, it was not illegal. I don't know if you're a liar or just ignorant. I don't understand why you decided to make a fool out of yourself by talking about things you admittedly know nothing about. Is it the Trump derangement syndrome? I've heard that it's rather common among libtards. You don't know anything about the situation in Iraq. You don't know anything about the situation Lebanon. You don't know anything about the situation in Yemen.

Israel is a democracy and you're a rabid anti-Semite. The Israelis built Israel, it was basically nothing before them. Israelis have always lived in Israel and if you want to complain against violence you also have to condemn those who by violence forced the Israelis away from their land in the first place. The Palestinians left by their own free will and Palestinians living in Israel can enjoy rights that a Israeli in Gaza or West Bank never would have. You honestly sound like a Nazi.

Haha, is it you, back from the dead, ayatollah Khomeini?

The Iranian regime is not equal to the US government, not by a long shot. It's amazing how you revealed yourself to be a supporter of the Iranian regime.

The Iranian regime is the Shia version of ISIS, they should be wiped out of power. How many more civilians do you want them to murder? They are not unfairly targeted, you should be ashamed of either your ignorance or your conscious support of the Iranian regime. Why are you against the Iranian people having human rights? It pains me how the Iranian regime torture and murder innocent Iranians, why are you supporting it? Have many more can they kill before you get enough? People like you, who support brutal dictatorships, don't deserve to live in a democracy.

I don't know what your problem is but it's deeply disturbing how you keep defending on of the worst dictatorships in the world. Do you get paid to lobby for the Iranian regime? Or are you so extremely childish that you spend time defending Iran only because Trump and the Republicans criticized them? Either way you should be ashamed of yourself and your support for terrorists.

You've confirmed the stereotype that Americans are ignorant of the world outside the US.

SCOTUS tells POTUS.

No, get packing!

This is not surprising at all. It's one thing for Trump to stack the US Supreme Court with conservative leaning justices. It's quite another to expect them to steal an election for him, to overturn the will of the people and toss out hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots submitted according to the rules and in good faith.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/supreme-court-wont-hear-trump-allies-challenge-pennsylvania-vote/6483060002/[/URL]

Probably the most hilarious part of this surrounds the bootlicker Ted Cruz, whose wife Trump called ugly. He was grandstanding wanting to argue this case before the SCOTUS, a case they have now unanimously refused to hear. Oh well. Ted coveting the support of the Trump cult, but he should know there's only room for one god in that pantheon. LOL.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509852]SCOTUS tells POTUS.

No, get packing![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8uVl4lkOkA[/URL]

And the asshole, as usual, doesn't give a fuck.

Treasonist fuckup.

The Republican strategy of disenfranchising citizens off the voter rolls in advance of the election got trumped by the Democrat's strategy of having them vote anyway, before, during and after election day. Of course there's fraud: it's built into the system.

United States sets a new global record for Covid as we exceed 3,000 deaths in one day for the first time.

Donald Trump was right about one of his campaign promises five years ago.

We are all fucking tired of his style of winning.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2510084]And the asshole, as usual, doesn't give a fuck.

Treasonist fuckup.[/QUOTE]No it will not. Biden's folks can't do anything until after Jan 20,2021. For a guy who says he's going to hit the ground running, his team should be planning on what they will be doing well before they get there. Also having worked in government for a few years, you just can't "turn" things around that quick unless you really want to. Take Trump's plan for a wall. He came in, guns ablazing ready to do it how they do things in the business well, if you don't perform you don't get paid and fired (at least how they used to do things). So you had many folks who were jut in the bureaucracy who weren't used to doing things that way and what did you get, slow downs, needles implementation of sometimes duplicate regulations and in effect a slow moving process. So if Biden and his team think that they are now going to be able to just walk in and change things overnight either Trump was right about a Deep State slowing him down, or Biden's team are not going to be any different from what we have seen in the past, make a big noise, have a press conference and then things settle down to their normal slow speed.

You have to admit, the pressure put on by the Trump Admin to get us this far in the vaccine phase is impressive, as well as the plans to get it distributed, but if Biden were smart, his team would come in, say let's keep it going and adjust as necessary. IMO.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2510281]You have to admit, the pressure put on by the Trump Admin to get us this far in the vaccine phase is impressive.[/QUOTE]I think we should compare Trump's US performance compared to the performance of how many other successful countries handled Covid.

We might have had close to half as many deaths.

Trump performed like shit, and you know it.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2510298]I think we should compare Trump's US performance compared to the performance of how many other successful countries handled Covid.

We might have had close to half as many deaths.

Trump performed like shit, and you know it.[/QUOTE]So tell me what other country has been doing better? You want to say NZ? Well ok, but remember, they shut down their country completely to outsiders as well as AUS. Trump bans flights from China and automatically he's labeled a xenophobe, racist, etc. We can't even close our Southern border without some people having the case of the Vapors and falling out on the reclining couch.

UK and the rest of Europe? Maybe Sweden but again they did stuff that would make many in the US clutch their pearls and hit the fainting couch again by not imposing mandatory lockdowns and making sure that those who were most vulnerable were somewhat protected.

Heck I'm in Japan now, and my wife will tell you the actions the USA has made compared to her own country are way better. Here they are not getting the full truth and folks know it but still just plod along. Trains are back to full capacity, their so called stimulus checks took way to long to get out, and they recently had a "Go To" campaign where if one traveled domestically to hotels and spas and other tourist attractions, you would get deep discounts and coupons that you could use in the stores to get furher discounts. It did work somewhat in getting folks to get back out and make up for some of the missing Chinese tourists, and resort spas and onsens are long waiting lists. But, the cases here are creeping back up and folks are now saying maybe it wasn't such a great idea.

The mask mandate wasn't really an issue here, since even in normal times in the summer you would often see Japanese walking around in masks.

AMERICANS performed like shit. People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.

Trump definitely could have done better but I seriously doubt Old Man Biden will succeed either. There is no one leader that gets us out of this, EVERYBODY has a role to play and if you aren't playing that role correctly YOU are part of the problem.

Unfortunately America has self destructed. Red / Blue doesn't matter American Culture pissed on itself and everyone else around them.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2510488]AMERICANS performed like shit. [/QUOTE]Amen.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2510488]People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.[/QUOTE]I always saw far more stupid rednecks following the Orange Guy's idiotic calls to fight against health measures.

Trump ideology leading the dense and obstinate.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2510488]AMERICANS performed like shit. People on the other side of the world are looking at the western savages self destructing. Look at any foreign news station with an outside view into the American pandemic. You see images of dumb uneducated, opinionated, back water rednecks and liberal fools acting like monkeys at a Chucky Cheese restaurant.

Trump definitely could have done better but I seriously doubt Old Man Biden will succeed either. There is no one leader that gets us out of this, EVERYBODY has a role to play and if you aren't playing that role correctly YOU are part of the problem.

Unfortunately America has self destructed. Red / Blue doesn't matter American Culture pissed on itself and everyone else around them.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/here-are-your-odds-of-dying-from-covid-in-the-next-six-months/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2510451]So tell me what other country has been doing better?[/QUOTE]In Groucho style:

There's Bhutan and Tajitstan, Hyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan.

There's Mongolia and Somalia, Australia and Dominica.

Also Bolivia and Vanuata, Samoa and Cambodia.

Don't forget Bhutan and New Zealand, Oman and Vietnam.

Now Chico:

There's Tajitistan and Iceland, Thailand and the Marshall Islands.

Kyrgystan and Bahama, Tajitstan and Uzbekistan.

Just to name some of the countries that have performed much better, do to competent leadership.

[URL]https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries[/URL]

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2510451]Trump bans flights from China and automatically he's labeled a xenophobe, racist, etc.[/QUOTE]Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2510731]Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".[/QUOTE]Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.

Trump, according to Der Spiegel, one of Europe's biggest news magazines. Trump's presidency ends as it began: Without decency and without dignity," Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year. To add insult to injury, hours ago the Supreme Court denied a bid by Texas / Trump to overturn 2020 election, this was likely his last challenge. Do not despair MAGA lovers, wait for the show in 2024 in the republican primaries, Trump versus Pence and the rest of the field, and the winner will be?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beans5;2510838]Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.[/QUOTE]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2510876]Trump, according to Der Spiegel, one of Europe's biggest news magazines. Trump's presidency ends as it began: Without decency and without dignity," Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year. To add insult to injury, hours ago the Supreme Court denied a bid by Texas / Trump to overturn 2020 election, this was likely his last challenge. Do not despair MAGA lovers, wait for the show in 2024 in the republican primaries, Trump versus Pence and the rest of the field, and the winner will be?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12[/URL][/QUOTE]Losses all over the place! Including the election itself. And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss. But if and until then, as long as he's out if the White House, he's "their" problem. They made a deal with the devil. Now live with it.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.[/QUOTE]PV Monger, Trump didn't ban Chinese people, just folks coming from those areas. If you would have remembered, there were some none "Chinese" Americans who were caught up and one had to fly all the way to Omaha to some high level trauma center or they were in quarantine and the old March AFB in CA. The people of Taiwan actually did a much better job at handling the virus than their cousins on the mainland PRC, but you wouldn't hear about that since the WHO is bought and paid for by the PRC. When they were trying to get a conference together among scientists on this issue those from Taiwan were not invited at the behest of the PRC. Also you might want to see where the people from Wuhan traveled to, a lot to places like Italy where you can see what happened there.

I would like for you to go stand in the middle of Taipei and tell them that they are members of the PRC and see how fast you would be standing there. Why do you think we just sold them some arms and the PRC is mad.

But again, it's far easier to say "Orange Man Bad" and not lay blame where it belongs, with the folks in the PRC who put it out on the world, or by Nancy and the rest who up and said the reason why she didn't want to deal on relief but does so now is because of a new President, and the rest of the nation be damned as long as she got her way.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.[/QUOTE]Know-it-alls always react this way when they get their pride hurt publicly. You can't even tell the difference between Asians of different countries and you solidified you're mindset by assuming I couldn't either, which is pretty cheap of you anyhow.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008] In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.[/QUOTE]Unable? How about by rotten teeth, bad haircuts, ill-fitting and cheap tacky clothes? Or by seeing which ones are spitting, smoking, screaming and shouting at each other? And of course by getting a sight of them table cramming food into their gobs. Lots of ways to pick a "mainland Chinese" out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2510876]Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year.[/QUOTE]These magazines weren't taking any chances it's a small window before this duo shows its true colors. What's taking these magazines so long to give them their peace prize? Better hurry like the committee did giving Obama a Nobel.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511059]The people of Taiwan actually did a much better job at handling the virus than their cousins on the mainland PRC, but you wouldn't hear about that since the WHO is bought and paid for by the PRC.[/QUOTE]I knew about it, as did anyone who consumes news from legitimate sources. There has always been knowledge about how other countries and regions are doing regarding covid. What rock have you been under?

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511059]But again, it's far easier to say "Orange Man Bad" and not lay blame where it belongs[/QUOTE]The blame correctly belongs to our Phatass Orange incompetent leader.

He lied to the public for MONTHS switching between calling Covid a hoax and a virus that was going to magically go away with warmer weather.

He slow-walked aid to the first affected blue states and has left the US with a void in leadership regarding proven spread reducers, like wearing masks.

He conducted superspreader rallies and events in battleground states that he lost, and at the White House, which he also lost.

He has kneecapped the CDC for at least five months as he has brought them to near silence when when should be guiding the public.

But worse than all of that, and very stupid and sinister, he has been encouraging and condoning civil disobedience and violent attacks against some state leaders for taking measures to slow Covid spread in their states. It is fucked up to not only fail to give leadership, but instead leave state to fend for themselves, and then work against what they chose to do.

Trump governance = Shit governance.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]Unable? How about by rotten teeth, bad haircuts, ill-fitting and cheap tacky clothes? [/QUOTE]I thought that was true for most residents of China, Taiwan and Hong Kong?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]Or by seeing which ones are spitting, smoking, screaming and shouting at each other?[/QUOTE]Same comment again, no difference.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]And of course by getting a sight of them table cramming food into their gobs.[/QUOTE]That's how you spot the Americans everywhere.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511054]Losses all over the place! Including the election itself. And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss.[/QUOTE]Shhhh!

Don't tell those fools that.

Best they stay in their blissful, dark dreams.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511054] And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss.[/QUOTE]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2511151]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.[/QUOTE]Not going to happen. You heard it here first.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2511151]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.[/QUOTE]After the way the Democrats National Committee annointed their presidential candidate the last two go-rounds, it's understandable you've forgotten there's such a thing as a primary election where, you know, the voters choose a candidate.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511154]Not going to happen. You heard it here first.[/QUOTE]Wanna bet? There is a poll out that shows the majority of Repubs support Trump or want him to be their canidate. If not him then who?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/24/poll-republicans-support-trump-2024-439757[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunMann;2511277]Wanna bet? There is a poll out that shows the majority of Repubs support Trump or want him to be their canidate. If not him then who?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/24/poll-republicans-support-trump-2024-439757[/URL][/QUOTE]Dude,

We have four years to go until the next election. I don't know who yet, but I'm willing to bet it's not him. He's going to be so engrossed trying to save his ass and crumbling empire from other stuff that he won't have the time or interest in running. He won't see it as in his interests to run. And if there's anything Trump cares about, it's himself. I think it will be some other white male who may have a white female on the ticket. But more than that, with four years to go I'm giving this a rest for awhile. I look forward to January 20th and a new start!

I suspect Trump delayed a host of legal problems by becoming president. Self pardon remains untested in the supreme court.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2511146]I thought that was true for most residents of China, Taiwan and Hong Kong?.[/QUOTE]Naturally you might think that if the only place you've ever been is Tijuana.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2511319]I suspect Trump delayed a host of legal problems by becoming president. Self pardon remains untested in the supreme court.[/QUOTE]That's why I expect the Phatass will go for the sure thing:

Resign shortly before January 20th and receive a full pardon from Mike Pence.

I think Barron Trump's new school in Florida comes back from the holidays on Monday, January 11th.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2511132]I knew about it, as did anyone who consumes news from legitimate sources. There has always been knowledge about how other countries and regions are doing regarding covid. What rock have you been under?

The blame correctly belongs to our Phatass Orange incompetent leader.

He lied to the public for MONTHS switching between calling Covid a hoax and a virus that was going to magically go away with warmer weather.

He slow-walked aid to the first affected blue states and has left the US with a void in leadership regarding proven spread reducers, like wearing masks.[/QUOTE]Fauci is the one who said there was no need for masks. You completely leave out that Cuomo, the NY governor who showed "great leadership" in the press, sent Covid 19 infected patients back to nursing homes leading to a huge increase in deaths.

Then you have Democratic leaders time and again showing rules for thee and not for me as they broke their own rules when it got in the way of their life styles. The Democratic leadership spouted off "science" at every turn as if the scientists on their payroll had all the answers.

In the mean time, Peru enacted every single one of the measures these so called "scientists" called for and they have if not the highest close to the highest death and infection rate in the world. Yale did a study as to why that is (not that any of them could go there and study it for real) and pretty much declared that Peru and Peruvians suck and listed a bunch of Democratic talking points like the health system does not have enough government workers. I am not sure what that has to do with a virus spreading but whatever.

The irony about all this was the rallying cry "Stay safe, stay home" was probably the biggest joke of all as 74% of all Covid cases are spread at home; [URL]https://ny.eater.com/2020/12/11/22169841/restaurants-and-bars-coronavirus-spread-data-new-york[/URL].

Meanwhile, gyms were shut down and a whopping 0. 06% of all cases were found there.

I presented time and again the notion that nobody knows nuthin' about the virus but the Dems (or dums is more like it) had all the answers. It is a fucking cold virus with no cure. Why the fuck does anyone think they have the answers for any of this? If a country did not get swamped with the virus, they were likely more lucky than good.

I am not upset Biden won. 2005 and 2013 were years when the incumbent won re-election and the government went nuts as if it had four years where it had nothing to worry about, and I personally thought that Trump was better for the country but Biden may be better for me.

But now that Trump is out of office, I guess the virus is old news or more likely it will not be reported on the news.

Trump is out of office, and the media is still blaming all the ills of the world on him. I wonder how long this blaming shit is going to last.

The idea that if we had a Democratic president the virus would not have been as deadly may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2511427]Fauci is the one who said there was no need for masks. You completely leave out that Cuomo, the NY governor who showed "great leadership" in the press, sent Covid 19 infected patients back to nursing homes leading to a huge increase in deaths.

Then you have Democratic leaders time and again showing rules for thee and not for me as they broke their own rules when it got in the way of their life styles. The Democratic leadership spouted off "science" at every turn as if the scientists on their payroll had all the answers.

In the mean time, Peru enacted every single one of the measures these so called "scientists" called for and they have if not the highest close to the highest death and infection rate in the world. Yale did a study as to why that is (not that any of them could go there and study it for real) and pretty much declared that Peru and Peruvians suck and listed a bunch of Democratic talking points like the health system does not have enough government workers. I am not sure what that has to do with a virus spreading but whatever.

The irony about all this was the rallying cry "Stay safe, stay home" was probably the biggest joke of all as 74% of all Covid cases are spread at home; [URL]https://ny.eater.com/2020/12/11/22169841/restaurants-and-bars-coronavirus-spread-data-new-york[/URL]..[/QUOTE]With regard to Fauci and masks, you're leaving out the fact that this is a "novel" coronavirus! That means that it's new, and we're still learning about it to this very day. In the very beginning, the experts were thinking that there wasn't human to human transmission. So no masks required. But when it was discovered that not only was there easy human to human transmission, but that people could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, then yes the strong call for wearing masks and social distancing was made. So yes, Fauci did change his position on that. But his recommendations aren't just based on how he feels or something. They're based on science. And as the science and knowledge around this virus grows and develops, so too will the recommendations from the experts like Fauci, who are going to help mankind control and beat this scourge. Be fair. Doctor Fauci is just a man. A very smart man, but still a man nevertheless. He is still learning how this virus works just like everybody else is.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511283]Dude,

We have four years to go until the next election. I don't know who yet, but I'm willing to bet it's not him. He's going to be so engrossed trying to save his ass and crumbling empire from other stuff that he won't have the time or interest in running. He won't see it as in his interests to run. And if there's anything Trump cares about, it's himself. I think it will be some other white male who may have a white female on the ticket. But more than that, with four years to go I'm giving this a rest for awhile. I look forward to January 20th and a new start![/QUOTE]Dude,

The Republican primaries are about three years away but the selection process began even before the 2020 election. You can give it a rest for a while the others will not, as soon as a president is sworn in the talk of the next election becomes the focus, its reality TV.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-republican-election-presidential-candidate-buzz[/URL]

See attachments.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511460]With regard to Fauci and masks, you're leaving out the fact that this is a "novel" coronavirus! That means that it's new, and we're still learning about it to this very day. In the very beginning, the experts were thinking that there wasn't human to human transmission. So no masks required. But when it was discovered that not only was there easy human to human transmission, but that people could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, then yes the strong call for wearing masks and social distancing was made. So yes, Fauci did change his position on that. But his recommendations aren't just based on how he feels or something. They're based on science. And as the science and knowledge around this virus grows and develops, so too will the recommendations from the experts like Fauci, who are going to help mankind control and beat this scourge. Be fair. Doctor Fauci is just a man. A very smart man, but still a man nevertheless. He is still learning how this virus works just like everybody else is.[/QUOTE]Of course, and that's the very nature of science, to re-evaluate and make changes as more information becomes available. It's par for the course, and anyone who doesn't realize that is either ignorant or deliberately lying and grandstanding for some reason. Plus there was a concern about runs on medical masks and the potential to create shortages for healthcare providers. By early April masks were recommended by virtually all contagious disease specialists, plus several studies confirmed the efficiency of cotton, non-medical grade masks.

Now there were some dissenters, such as ass clowns like Rand Paul, an eye doctor spreading spurious arguments for political points, and of course there has been the unqualified radiologist Scott Atlas in the WH. But we just had a referendum on all that quackery and more, and the electoral college is confirming it as I type.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511460]But when it was discovered that not only was there easy human to human transmission, but that people could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, then yes the strong call for wearing masks and social distancing was made. So yes, Fauci did change his position on that. But his recommendations aren't just based on how he feels or something. They're based on science. And as the science and knowledge around this virus grows and develops, so too will the recommendations from the experts like Fauci, who are going to help mankind control and beat this scourge. Be fair. Doctor Fauci is just a man. A very smart man, but still a man nevertheless. He is still learning how this virus works just like everybody else is.[/QUOTE]You are doing the Democrat "science" thing instead of science. Science is about having a theory and backing it up with evidence. Fauci assumed that Covid was a typical corona virus and spread via contact. The typical flu virus spreads that way and masks in that data set have been shown not to work.

Covid-19 spreads through the air, and Fauci changed his position but remember during this period, he was St. Fauci and Trump was a bumbling idiot because Trump, and I think correctly, was concerned that doing all that the "scientists" wanted to do would have destructive effects on the economy without any benefit. Remember all the projections about ventilators? Yeah, putting so many people on ventilators was a mistake too.

This was a moment made for Bill Clinton where Trump read the tea leaves wrong and should have said, "I feel your pain." He showed a callous appearance and wrongly gave himself an A for how he handled Corona instead of saying grades are unimportant when so many Americans are dying. Trump was not stupid, but he was totally insensitive to America's plight, and there is no question appearance wise he did mismanage the Covid crisis.

The idea that scientists said Trump should do X and he did why is totally wrong. Trump listened and was all in on the vaccine effort, and it is bearing fruit right when he is leaving office. I think the criticism that Trump tuned out science is unfair.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2511647]Of course, and that's the very nature of science, to re-evaluate and make changes as more information becomes available. It's par for the course, and anyone who doesn't realize that is either ignorant or deliberately lying and grandstanding for some reason. Plus there was a concern about runs on medical masks and the potential to create shortages for healthcare providers. By early April masks were recommended by virtually all contagious disease specialists, plus several studies confirmed the efficiency of cotton, non-medical grade masks.

Now there were some dissenters, such as ass clowns like Rand Paul, an eye doctor spreading spurious arguments for political points, and of course there has been the unqualified radiologist Scott Atlas in the WH. But we just had a referendum on all that quackery and more, and the electoral college is confirming it as I type.[/QUOTE]Did you know there's even such a thing as "Democratic" science? LOLOLOL! Anybody who can be objective knows that Dr. Fauci is apolitical, and has served under many different administrations.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511725]Did you know there's even such a thing as "Democratic" science? LOLOLOL! Anybody who can be objective knows that Dr. Fauci is apolitical, and has served under many different administrations.[/QUOTE]This is goes back to the Trump cultist idea that it's all a plot to turn the election. This while they fail to notice that masks and social distancing have been popular the world over, where no Democrats or Trumps exist. This gross oversight doesn't speak well for the average IQ of the Trumpite, to say the very least. Amazing some even have college degrees, which betrays the diploma mill nature of many of our institutions.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2511958]This while they fail to notice that masks and social distancing have been popular the world over, where no Democrats or Trumps exist. This gross oversight doesn't speak well for the average IQ of the Trumpite.[/QUOTE]Most things said by Trumpites leave this impression. Read Elvis' posts here attacking science.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2512025]Most things said by Trumpites leave this impression. Read Elvis' posts here attacking science.[/QUOTE]This nonsense used to only be on shortwave radios with *******es like Alex Jones, then it grew with the internet and damned if it didn't make it into the WH. There's always been plenty of people dumb enough to believe it. They just needed to widen their audience, and it's very profitable. Dumb people send $ to these fakers, buying useless healthcare products (Alex Jones), or with Trump, $ to try and overturn the election, most of which goes right in his pocket.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2512025]Most things said by Trumpites leave this impression. Read Elvis' posts here attacking science.[/QUOTE]So Riddle me this. I'm a fan of Trump but living here in Japan, for the last 3 years. Winter time mask wear is a normal occurrence in Japan. So why are cases increasing in places like Tokyo, and other areas, and the US Military has put certain areas in Tokyo and around Japan "off limits" to us due to their increase in cases, yet by and large the percentage of folks who wear a mask in Japan is far greater than that in the USA.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2512039]So Riddle me this. I'm a fan of Trump but living here in Japan, for the last 3 years. Winter time mask wear is a normal occurrence in Japan. So why are cases increasing in places like Tokyo, and other areas, and the US Military has put certain areas in Tokyo and around Japan "off limits" to us due to their increase in cases, yet by and large the percentage of folks who wear a mask in Japan is far greater than that in the USA.[/QUOTE]Because even though Japan has seen a resurgence over the last month, the US daily cases counts are five times the rate of Japan when based on population, as to the recent information. Doing a bit of research usually trumps asking in a monger forum.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]

Also mask wearing can vary a lot in the US by region, meaning the more dumb rednecks, the fewer mask wearers.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2512039]So Riddle me this. I'm a fan of Trump but living here in Japan, for the last 3 years. Winter time mask wear is a normal occurrence in Japan. So why are cases increasing in places like Tokyo, and other areas[/QUOTE]Like I am talking to a five year old:

Covid is currently spreading in most cities at this time. Tokyo is no different Skippy.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2508438]As Abraham Lincoln said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".[/QUOTE]Well then shut the fuck up, asshole!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2507227]I do think that its rather cruel of members of this forum to beat up a harmless retired, overweight business professor like that. Shame on them. The poor old business professor only wants to marry his sweet 19 year old Illiterate Filipina fiance and live happily ever after in Pussy Heaven. What do you think an illiterate sex toy will be discussing with a Khao San Road instant PhD over a dinner of rice and err. Rice? Euclid's elements of geometry or King Agamemnon's quarrel in the Illiad?.[/QUOTE]Mad magazine's latest issue's pictures?

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2512039]So Riddle me this. I'm a fan of Trump but living here in Japan, for the last 3 years. Winter time mask wear is a normal occurrence in Japan. So why are cases increasing in places like Tokyo, and other areas, and the US Military has put certain areas in Tokyo and around Japan "off limits" to us due to their increase in cases, yet by and large the percentage of folks who wear a mask in Japan is far greater than that in the USA.[/QUOTE]Mongers are just dumb.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2512662]Mad magazine's latest issue's pictures?[/QUOTE]Here's the cover shot.

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/18/expert-in-nyt-old-people-shouldnt-get-covid-vaccine-first-because-they-are-white/[/URL]

Yikes, what's happening to USA? Terrorists have already take over Portland and now shit like this.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2513310]Here's the cover shot.[/QUOTE]Now I'll be on the cover every week and award myself the No Bell 🔔 Piece Prize every year.

Pardon me! What? Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt according to a Supreme Court Rullng? I demand a recount!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2513310]Here's the cover shot.[/QUOTE]Are you sure?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2511958]This is goes back to the Trump cultist idea that it's all a plot to turn the election. This while they fail to notice that masks and social distancing have been popular the world over, where no Democrats or Trumps exist. This gross oversight doesn't speak well for the average IQ of the Trumpite, to say the very least.[/QUOTE]Paulie, you arrogant blowhard, do you know the difference between a "scientist" without data and a lay person? Nothing! Fauci, you arrogant blowhard, said masks do not work and changed his mind. All this BS about social distancing, and you miss the point. 75% of cases of Covid are caught in the home. All this BS about essential businesses and social distancing then was for naught.

My favorite example of Democratic "science" though is global warming. Does the data support global warming? Hell no! CO2 levels went up from 1940 to 1980 while global temperatures went down. Newsweek magazine showed the earth covered in ice in 1975. We were all going to freeze to death unless man did something.

Fast forward 20 years and these same dumb shits who were wrong before saw temperatures going up, and they got together and said man was heating up the earth. If we didn't cut down on carbon emissions, we were all doomed due to global warming. For 20 years temperatures went up, and "scientists" proved global warming existed by taking a fucking poll.

Taking a poll is not science. It is Democratic "science". Temperatures did not rise high enough the next 10 years so did these "scientists" admit defeat? Fuck no! They changed global warming to climate change.

Shoot, every time there is a natural disaster. It is not nature but man made climate change.

The whole problem with global warming that these "scientists" leave out is the sun. The idea is that the amount of sunlight is constant when it is not and now these same scientists are hedging their bets. Start quote.

The sun may be dimming, temporarily. Don't panic; Earth is not going to freeze over. But will the resulting cooling put a dent in the global warming trend?

A periodic solar event called a "grand minimum" could overtake the sun perhaps as soon as 2020 and lasting through 2070, resulting in diminished magnetism, infrequent sunspot production and less ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth all bringing a cooler period to the planet that may span 50 years.

The last grand-minimum event a disruption of the sun's 11-year cycle of variable sunspot activity happened in the mid-17th century. Known as the Maunder Minimum, it occurred between 1645 and 1715, during a longer span of time when parts of the world became so cold that the period was called the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.

End of quote.

So now all of sudden all those carbon emissions may save us from another ice age? LOL. You cannot make this shit up. But don't worry by 2070, global warming is coming. Of course, we will all be dead by then.

This is the epitome of Democratic "science", not data but poll driven consensus.

What kills me is that anyone who does not believe that man has a thermostat for the earth according to these lunatics is a "science" denying.

Hey, Paulie, you arrogant blowhard, it is raining where I am at, and I want to go fishing. Seeing as how you Democrats control the weather, how about dialing me up some sun?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2513368] I demand a recount![/QUOTE]Is this the seventh or eighth?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2513386]

My favorite example of Democratic "science" though is global warming. Does the data support global warming? Hell no! CO2 levels went up from 1940 to 1980 while global temperatures went down. Newsweek magazine showed the earth covered in ice in 1975. We were all going to freeze to death unless man did something.

Fast forward 20 years and these same dumb shits who were wrong before saw temperatures going up, and they got together and said man was heating up the earth. If we didn't cut down on carbon emissions, we were all doomed due to global warming. For 20 years temperatures went up, and "scientists" proved global warming existed by taking a fucking poll.

Taking a poll is not science. It is Democratic "science". Temperatures did not rise high enough the next 10 years so did these "scientists" admit defeat? Fuck no! They changed global warming to climate change.

Shoot, every time there is a natural disaster. It is not nature but man made climate change.

The whole problem with global warming that these "scientists" leave out is the sun. The idea is that the amount of sunlight is constant when it is not and now these same scientists are hedging their bets. Start quote.[/QUOTE]Elvis I was born in 1960. No one in the 70's was talking ice age, greenhouse was already a term for global warming. Kyoto was in 91.

Republican idea of science is the book of Genesis!

The change in regard to wearing masks was that they will do little to protect against getting infected but they do significantly reduce the spread of infection by eliminating aerosols. That is science not faith!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2512039]So Riddle me this. I'm a fan of Trump but living here in Japan, for the last 3 years. Winter time mask wear is a normal occurrence in Japan. So why are cases increasing in places like Tokyo, and other areas, and the US Military has put certain areas in Tokyo and around Japan "off limits" to us due to their increase in cases, yet by and large the percentage of folks who wear a mask in Japan is far greater than that in the USA.[/QUOTE]Because in winter people spend more time indoors in close contact with other people making the risk of spread higher!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2513386]Paulie, you arrogant blowhard[/QUOTE]Elvis, you ignorant sluut!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2513386]Paulie, do you know the difference between a "scientist" without data and a lay person? Nothing!

My favorite example of Democratic "science" though is global warming. Does the data support global warming? Hell no! [/QUOTE]Of course it does, you stubborn Fox-washed knuckle dragger.

Multiple independently produced instrumental datasets show that the climate system is warming, with the 2009-2018 decade being 0.93 +/- 0.07 centigrade (1.67 +/- 0.13 F) warmer than the pre-industrial baseline (1850-1900). Currently, surface temperatures are rising by about 0.2 centigrade (0.36 F) per decade. Since 1950, the number of cold days and nights has decreased, and the number of warm days and nights has increased. Historical patterns of warming and cooling, like the Medieval Climate Anomaly and the Little Ice Age, did not occur at the same time across regions, but may have reached temperatures as high as those of the late-20th century in a limited set of regions. There have been prehistorical episodes of global warming, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. However, the modern observed rise in temperature and CO2 concentrations has been so rapid that even abrupt geophysical events that took place in Earth's history do not approach current rates.

From Viagra and Covid vaccine manufacturer Pfizer:

"This week, we successfully shipped all 2. 9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the USA Government to the locations specified by them. We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses".

I guess operation warp speed has to show enormous incompetency, for it to be believable as a Trump plan.

How many of today's newest infections could have been prevented by the millions of ready vaccines Trump officials chose to keep on the shelves?

Rupert Murdock's conservative New York Post has had enough and is telling Trump to give it up. This is news because so many others in his party are unable or unwilling to tell the Pres he has lost the election and will no longer be president after Jan 20,2021.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-it-up-mr-president-for-your-sake-and-the-nations/[/URL]

Words and rhetoric. They matter. Especially when they come from somebody like the President.

Obama the drug trafficker and protector of terrorists. Will Biden follow in his shameful footsteps? Too bad that the American people doesn't understand what's good for them, that or Trump's right regarding the numerous allegations of wide spread election fraud. USA reached a new low under Obama and Biden will probably undo all the progress Trump achieved during his four years. Trump is the greatest one-term President USA ever had.

[URL]https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2018/11/28/Al-Arabiya-exclusive-documentary-reveals-Hezbollah-s-drug-trade-money-laundering-scheme.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/[/URL]

This will only get more frequent under and after the Biden administration. They've learned nothing by Europe and their problem with Islamic terrorists.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-terror-attack-suspect-sayfullo-saipov-entered-us-through-diversity-visa-program.amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2515992]Words and rhetoric. They matter. Especially when they come from somebody like the President.[/QUOTE]All that was recovered was the man's hat and the gas cap from the vehicle. The surgeons worked for days to put Humpty Trumpty back together. Now he's running for Congress.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2515980]Rupert Murdock's conservative New York Post has had enough and is telling Trump to give it up. This is news because so many others in his party are unable or unwilling to tell the Pres he has lost the election and will no longer be president after Jan 20,2021.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-it-up-mr-president-for-your-sake-and-the-nations/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's all a sham. Trump knows better. These charades have facilitated post election fund raising, that by some reports have exceeded 170 million dollars. Only 25% is required to go to legal fees. The rest is funneled to his new "Save America" PAC / into his own pocket.

These AM talk radio jocks also know better, and are as usual enriching themselves stirring the emotions of dumb people. Alex Jones surely knows better, but he's selling Covid cures over shortwave for $72. He has all sorts of worthless products for sale, bilking the hard earned money of ill educated Americans selling healthcare products for 50 to 100 dollars when the same stuff can be had at Walmart for 5 to 10. There's good $ in that game, just as Hannity, Tucker, David Duke, or Ken Matthews who is currently auditioning for Rush's job.

It's possible some of these Republican politicians backing Trump believe in the cause. Some real doofuses can manage to get elected, especially to Congress. Case in point would be that airhead Marjorie Taylor Greene of GA who openly supports QAnon. Most though are just whoring themselves out for political points, to maintain the support of Trump's cultic base.

It's all of course doomed to failure, but that doesn't matter to these folks. They are all getting what they are after.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2515992]Words and rhetoric. They matter. Especially when they come from somebody like the President.[/QUOTE]What a shocker, you're wrong. It only goes to show how untrustworthy libtards are. Trump was so right about the fake news.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/anthony-warner-nashville-bombing-suspect-identified-trump-supporter-54482[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516486]What a shocker, you're wrong. It only goes to show how untrustworthy libtards are. Trump was so right about the fake news.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/anthony-warner-nashville-bombing-suspect-identified-trump-supporter-54482[/URL][/QUOTE]That trusted bastion of the truth the IB Times! I see that Shoetroll goes for whatever biased source happens to support his twisted views. Even a left leaning rag of dubious "distinction" if that's what it takes. Regardless of which photo is the correct one, the message is what's important, and it remains absolutely unchanged. Words and rhetoric matter. Proud Boys stand back and standby! Yes sir Mr. President!

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/international-business-times/?amp[/URL]

To be perfectly honest, I didn't care whether the photo was "legit" or not, and did no research behind it. You see, the Trumptards have been lying and misrepresenting the truth for 4 years straight without shame or apology. So, I enjoyed dishing out some of their own medicine! Just say it with no substantiation whatsoever to get a reaction, just like they do. In fact, I posted the photo specifically for ShooTroll knowing it would get his immediate attention. I'm surprised it took him so long to react actually. I guess he was researching his "trusted sources" such as the IB Times so he could tell me I'm wrong LOL! As if I was convinced it was true when I didn't care if it was true or not haha! Sorry ShooTroll, but it was a sucker punch, and you walked right into it! Screaming hoax! I don't care LOL!

41 year old Louisiana Congressman elect Luke Letlow recently earned the right to serve but never will, dead from Covid. Yes it's something to take seriously.

"USA Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Republican and doctor who tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this year and has since recovered, posted in a Twitter video: "It just, just, just, just brings home COVID can kill. For most folks it doesn't, but it truly can. So, as you remember Luke, his widow, his children in your prayers, remember as well to be careful with COVID.'

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/health-monroe-louisiana-coronavirus-pandemic-shreveport-c76bcda2e5abd46a500763ed5a7e3440[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516486]What a shocker, you're wrong. It only goes to show how untrustworthy libtards are. Trump was so right about the fake news.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/anthony-warner-nashville-bombing-suspect-identified-trump-supporter-54482[/URL][/QUOTE]Only tRUMPettes say "fake news". Oh, and AH used the term too, except he used "lying press".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2516550]That trusted bastion of the truth the IB Times! I see that Shoetroll goes for whatever biased source happens to support his twisted views. Even a left leaning rag of dubious "distinction" if that's what it takes. Regardless of which photo is the correct one, the message is what's important, and it remains absolutely unchanged. Words and rhetoric matter. Proud Boys stand back and standby! Yes sir Mr. President!

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/international-business-times/?amp[/URL][/QUOTE]LMFAO! How pathetic are you? You lied and got caught! If you had any honesty or integrity you would apologize and feel ashamed. But you libtards got no shame! You lie time after time, it doesn't matter how many times you get caught.

You're a troll.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516710]LMFAO! How pathetic are you? You lied and got caught! If you had any honesty or integrity you would apologize and feel ashamed. But you libtards got no shame! You lie time after time, it doesn't matter how many times you get caught.

You're a troll.[/QUOTE]I didn't care if the depiction in the photo was true of false. Do you really think I'm going to be that sloppy and just post up the first photo I see as "the truth"? LOL! I had my suspicions, but did not care to check it out. No, what I cared about was a reaction from you ShooTroll, and you didn't let me down. Hoax! Mission accomplished! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516710]LMFAO! How pathetic are you? You lied and got caught! If you had any honesty or integrity you would apologize and feel ashamed. But you libtards got no shame! You lie time after time, it doesn't matter how many times you get caught.

You're a troll.[/QUOTE]The shit move is Trump encouraging violence. Fortunately he will be put down soon.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516710]LMFAO! How pathetic are you? You lied and got caught! If you had any honesty or integrity you would apologize and feel ashamed. But you libtards got no shame! You lie time after time, it doesn't matter how many times you get caught.

You're a troll.[/QUOTE]Let me guess: you also believe Trump won the election but that a conspiracy of supreme court justices, states officials, republican No Trumpers, BLMatter, the McCain family, you name it, denied him four more years he absolutely deserved. Where is he now that the pandemic is reaching new heights across the USA? Playing golf in Florida, of course.

You Trump supporters are pathetic. America will never be great again they way you want it to be because those days are long gone, the world has changed beyond recognition, the USA is now a melting pot of different races aware of their rights, in Miami you hear more spanish than english, China will overtake America's GDP in less that 10 years, there is no turning back the clock.

And did Trump followed on his promises? Are coal jobs back in West Virginia? Isn't Rocket Man still in power? Did he inject himself with bleach? It is a never ending list of broken promises and misleading if not false statements. Tax breaks for the rich and crumbs for the middle class. He took you for a ride and you seem to like it. Pathetic.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2516738]Let me guess: you also believe Trump won the election but that a conspiracy of supreme court justices, states officials, republican No Trumpers, BLMatter, the McCain family, you name it, denied him four more years he absolutely deserved. Where is he now that the pandemic is reaching new heights across the USA? Playing golf in Florida, of course.

You Trump supporters are pathetic. America will never be great again they way you want it to be because those days are long gone, the world has changed beyond recognition, the USA is now a melting pot of different races aware of their rights, in Miami you hear more spanish than english, China will overtake America's GDP in less that 10 years, there is no turning back the clock.

And did Trump followed on his promises? Are coal jobs back in West Virginia? Isn't Rocket Man still in power? Did he inject himself with bleach? It is a never ending list of broken promises and misleading if not false statements. Tax breaks for the rich and crumbs for the middle class. He took you for a ride and you seem to like it. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]Yawn, funny that you mentioned Miami considering that Florida voted for Trump! The Latinos turned away from the Democratic Party and their crazy ideas. That despite of the medias radical left-wing propaganda against Trump. Neither the Cubans or Venezuelans are impressed by the Dems foreign policies.

The Democrats is the most racist and sexist party to ever have existed in US history. No self-respecting White man can ever vote for them.

Trump did a great job according to those who elected him president in 2016, so who are you to complain? You don't seem to know much about politics when you seem to believe that everything a candidate says will come true. Maybe you should read up on how politics works?

It's extremely ridiculous to see how you're trying to politicize a pandemic. Go and cry some more.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516733]The shit move is Trump encouraging violence. Fortunately he will be put down soon.[/QUOTE]Actually quite the opposite. It's always been and will always be the libtards who are encouraging violence. Just look at BLM, anti-fa and the fake news media. They never respected the outcome of the election in 2016. You don't even know what democracy is, to you democracy is when your candidate wins. Otherwise it's "threat against democracy". You're disgusting and the true threat against democracy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2516672]Only tRUMPettes say "fake news". Oh, and AH used the term too, except he used "lying press".[/QUOTE]Ever heard of Godwin's law?

How pathetic.

I honestly wonder what's the point of this part of the forum. There's no discussion of politics, just a bunch of old, fat libtards spewing their fake news and hatred against democracy and the current president.

Whenever I bring up real politics, only crickets. They're not interested in politics, they just want to spread their hate, lies and propaganda.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516807]Actually quite the opposite. It's always been and will always be the libtards who are encouraging violence. Just look at BLM, anti-fa and the fake news media. They never respected the outcome of the election in 2016. You don't even know what democracy is, to you democracy is when your candidate wins. Otherwise it's "threat against democracy". You're disgusting and the true threat against democracy.[/QUOTE]Wah wah wah wah.

Hahahaha. Your comments are so empty and meaningless (white noise).

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516807]Actually quite the opposite. It's always been and will always be the libtards who are encouraging violence.[/QUOTE]I guess if you are wrong about what's happened in the past, your predictions of the future will miss the mark also.

Hahahaha. You are a laughing stock.

With these types of deluded residents, no wonder Sweden fucked up royally and harshly their strategy of dealing with covid.

Does not matter if your the President your not above the law. Trump is fighting to stay in power because he knows what is coming. You cannot pardon yourself to prevent prosecution. Also, you play a dangerous game when you start pardoning family members because they no longer can plead the 5th. They have to testify when called and if they lie they will go down for perjury.

Most of you all are not from NYC because if you were you would have heard all the horror stories of how Trump screwed over honest hard working contractors who worked on his projects then Trump stiffed them at the end through litigation so he would not have to pay them. I got no love for people like that as they are criminals and for those of you who support that type a behavior then what does that make you.

The one thing about New York that many of you do not know is it still has the two strongest prosecution offices in the country: The Manhattan District Attorneys office which has hired FIT, the best forensic accounting firm in the world to go after Trump and on the Federal Level the Southern District. You do not want to be in there cross hairs and they have been waiting. They are about to get busy as when you screw over big money it might take time, but they will get you. By the way, a few days ago the Banker who works for the only bank that funded Trumps deals was forced to resign from Deustch Bank. What that says is the bank just told that banker we are not protecting you because you should have done better due diligence when it came to Trump bank financed deals. Time to get your popcorn ready!

Now was anything I just said fake news.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2513440]Elvis I was born in 1960. No one in the 70's was talking ice age[/QUOTE]How long does it take you to google 1970's and global cooling?

"The central fact is that, after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the Earth seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. " – Newsweek: April 28,1975.

You are a Democrat GDreams, so I will give you that almost unanimous and no one are much the same thing. A Democratic "scientist" is more about the title than the data.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2513440]Republican idea of science is the book of Genesis!
[/QUOTE]Yes, the notion that God or mother nature or even the sun has anything to do with the climate is crazy. It is all man made climate.

Gdreams, I am looking a little pale. Can you turn up the sunlight tomorrow? I need to work on my tan.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2513386]My favorite example of Democratic "science" though is global warming. Does the data support global warming? Hell no!.[/QUOTE]Of course it does, you ignorant guy referencing 1975 news stories trying to make irrelevant arguments.

Multiple independently produced instrumental datasets show that the climate system is warming, with the 2009-2018 decade being 0.93 +/- 0.07 centigrade (1.67 +/- 0.13 F) warmer than the pre-industrial baseline (years 1850 to 1900). Currently, surface temperatures are rising by about 0.2 centigrade (0.36 F) per decade. Since 1950, the number of cold days and nights has decreased, and the number of warm days and nights has increased. Historical patterns of warming and cooling, like the Medieval Climate Anomaly and the Little Ice Age, did not occur at the same time across regions, but may have reached temperatures as high as those of the late-20th century in a limited set of regions. There have been prehistorical episodes of global warming, such as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. However, the modern observed rise in temperature and CO2 concentrations has been so rapid that even abrupt geophysical events that took place in Earth's history do not approach current rates.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2516732]I didn't care if the depiction in the photo was true of false. Do you really think I'm going to be that sloppy and just post up the first photo I see as "the truth"? LOL! I had my suspicions, but did not care to check it out. No, what I cared about was a reaction from you ShooTroll, and you didn't let me down. Hoax! Mission accomplished! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Wow, you just never stop with the lies. Its strange that you are not better lying considering the numerous lies that you've told.

However, you do admit that you're just a pathetic, lying troll.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516855]Wah wah wah wah.

Hahahaha. Your comments are so empty and meaningless (white noise).[/QUOTE]What else to expect from you, I didn't expect you to change your crooked ways.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516880]I guess if you are wrong about what's happened in the past, your predictions of the future will miss the mark also.

Hahahaha. You are a laughing stock.

With these types of deluded residents, no wonder Sweden fucked up royally and harshly their strategy of dealing with covid.[/QUOTE]Haha, you're so fucking stupid. My party has never been in government in Sweden. I'm absolutely innocent to the mess Sweden is today. The country got destroyed by libtards like you with their moronic migration policy.

The COVID-19 strategy in Sweden was much better than the mess we see in blue states in USA. Your beloved libtard politicians are not only hypocrites and liar which ignored the restrictions they had implemented themselves, they also managed to cause a economic havoc and more deaths than Sweden.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516809]Ever heard of Godwin's law?

How pathetic.[/QUOTE]Why is it that you are the only one that's correct? AH's speeches often referred to "Lügenpresse. This is a well-documented fact. (By FACT I refer to a real fact not an alternative one) [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/24/the-ugly-history-of-luegenpresse-a-nazi-slur-shouted-at-a-trump-rally/[/URL].

Why is it that YOU, even though you want us to believe that you are a reasonable human being, constantly refer to liberals as libtards? That doesn't sound reasonable to me.

I suppose you think trump's reelection was stolen, too.

Talk about pathetic.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516991]Haha, you're so fucking stupid. My party has never been in government in Sweden. I'm absolutely innocent to the mess Sweden is today. The country got destroyed by libtards like you with their moronic migration policy.[/QUOTE]Sweden got destroyed by Covid because they are too fucking lazy to take appropriate heath and safety measures. You are just too fucking lazy lying with a keyboard in your basement eating pickeled herring and masterbating with your fish-oil greasy fingers.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516991]The COVID-19 strategy in Sweden was much better than the mess we see in blue states in USA.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right in pointing out the United States failings in dealing with Covid from our our failed President, who apparently wants more death and destruction.

"When we talk in private, I haven't heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent -- not one," Sasse wrote. "Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will 'look' to President Trump's most ardent supporters."

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9102363/Ben-Sasse-says-private-not-one-GOP-member-believes-election-fraudulent.html[/URL]

This putrid autocracy comes to an end in three weeks, in spite of all the kicking and screaming.

Happy New Year.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516806]Yawn, funny that you mentioned Miami considering that Florida voted for Trump! The Latinos turned away from the Democratic Party and their crazy ideas. That despite of the medias radical left-wing propaganda against Trump. Neither the Cubans or Venezuelans are impressed by the Dems foreign policies.

The Democrats is the most racist and sexist party to ever have existed in US history. No self-respecting White man can ever vote for them.

Trump did a great job according to those who elected him president in 2016, so who are you to complain? You don't seem to know much about politics when you seem to believe that everything a candidate says will come true. Maybe you should read up on how politics works?

It's extremely ridiculous to see how you're trying to politicize a pandemic. Go and cry some more.[/QUOTE]

No I am not crying, on the contrary, I am elated at Biden's victory. Answer please one simple question: do you think the election was stolen and, borrowing his own words. that Trump won BIG?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517084]Sweden got destroyed by Covid because they are too fucking lazy to take appropriate heath and safety measures. You are just too fucking lazy lying with a keyboard in your basement eating pickeled herring and masterbating with your fish-oil greasy fingers.

You are absolutely right in pointing out the United States failings in dealing with Covid from our our failed President, who apparently wants more death and destruction.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! You really should start living in the real word instead of your libtard bubble. Sweden is still doing better than many countries with lockdowns. You would have known that if you cared more about facts than your little libtard fantasies. But we do have a problem with having way too many immigrants.

It's amazing how you libtards always refuses to take any responsibility for your failures. Are you unaware of the hypocrisy and lies from liberal politicians like the one in Cali with his pants on fire, the old lizard woman and that ugly female (though she looks like a man) mayor with the awful haircut.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517264]No I am not crying, on the contrary, I am elated at Biden's victory. Answer please one simple question: do you think the election was stolen and, borrowing his own words. that Trump won BIG?[/QUOTE]Well it's obvious that the libtards feel no boundaries or decency.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517278]LMFAO! You really should start living in the real word instead of your libtard bubble. Sweden is still doing better than many countries with lockdowns.[/QUOTE]And terribly worse than the other Nordic countries with a lockdown.

[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](20) 32750-1/ fulltext.

I had said in other forums that give it until Fall 2021 and things will get better. Lo and behold latest from Dr. Fauci was that he expects the US to start to return to normal until near the end of 2021. In other words, the Winter Games in Beijing will go on as expected and the international flights will start back in full swing making their Asia rounds, and other variants of COVID will be deemed more transmissible but less deadly (I. E. A bad cold). As we continue on down the road in 2021 we will see more organizations and governments start moving in this direction.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to say this whole thing is a hoax, lost a few folks I knew, but the approaches that have been taken leave me to be suspect on a few things. I. E. They were not doing as best as they could while Trump was in office but now that he's out, look at this we have a clear way ahead but if he would have mentioned, it nothing but claims of a hoax, etc.

I hope Fauci is right, the vaccines work and people can start back getting to normal, but quit playing around and give us the truth and let us decide what we need to do.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517278]LMFAO! You really should start living in the real word instead of your libtard bubble. Sweden is still doing better than many countries with lockdowns. [/QUOTE]You are the one living in a fantasy world if you believe Sweden is doing better than their neighbor countries.

Their neighboring countries are monitoring the real situation. Many of Sweden's neighbors, who have taken steps to avoid spread, don't want Swede visitors to their country.

Sweden's COVID-19 death toll is nearly six times the combined number in neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland as well as Iceland, all of which adopted stricter measures.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517281]Well it's obvious that the libtards feel no boundaries or decency.[/QUOTE]

Let's not beat about the bush. Answer please: did Trump win or not?

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517264]No I am not crying, on the contrary, I am elated at Biden's victory. Answer please one simple question: do you think the election was stolen and, borrowing his own words. that Trump won BIG?[/QUOTE]Shobee has to run away and avoid answering your question.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517381]Let's not beat about the bush. Answer please: did Trump win or not?[/QUOTE]I could answer the question but since I don't like you nor respect you I couldn't care less what you want.

I'm just happy that you can celebrate with the CCP and all the diaper heads in Tehran. Great company you have.

Now it's down to Rudy Giuliana and Vanilla Ice, hardly a graceful exit. LOL.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/politics/mar-a-lago-new-years-eve/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNJ8_Dh3Onk[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517388]I could answer the question but since I don't like you nor respect you I couldn't care less what you want.

I'm just happy that you can celebrate with the CCP and all the diaper heads in Tehran. Great company you have.[/QUOTE]I understand it is hard for you to admit your hero failed miserably with more than 7 million votes behind Biden.

But I'm wondering if Trump is going to return the money people paid for four-figure tickets to a party he ditched yesterday. Let go swindler, forget about 4 more years and pay the money you owe to american taxpayers. ShooBree, your hero is pathetic, in fact you are both pathetic.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517382]Shobee has to run away and avoid answering your question.[/QUOTE]Haha, I though that you had embarrassed yourself enough on here, but apparently not.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517357]And terribly worse than the other Nordic countries with a lockdown.

[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](20) 32750-1/ fulltext.[/QUOTE]Oh, and now you're on here cherry-picking as well. Shouldn't you be more concerned with the epic failures of your own country?

Funny have you have an opinion about a country that's doing so much better than yours. I get this is why we call you bigtroll.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517380]You are the one living in a fantasy world if you believe Sweden is doing better than their neighbor countries.

Their neighboring countries are monitoring the real situation. Many of Sweden's neighbors, who have taken steps to avoid spread, don't want Swede visitors to their country.

Sweden's COVID-19 death toll is nearly six times the combined number in neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland as well as Iceland, all of which adopted stricter measures.[/QUOTE]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking. You forgot to mention that the population of Sweden is much larger than any of the countries that you mentioned. Roughly 30 times more people lives in Sweden than Iceland, which is a tiny island far away from the rest of Europe. Not only is Sweden a country with a much larger population we also have a much percentage of immigrants which plays a big part.

You made two other big mistakes, there are more factors to take into account than the death toll and secondly no one knows the true number of deaths caused by COVID-19. You're too daft to understand that.

Anyways as a Swedish citizen I'm extremely pleased that the government (although by the wrong reasons) refrained from implementing populist lockdowns. I've seen how the lockdowns failed in country after country. You're just too stupid to understand that.

You're also required to answer the question how long the draconian measurements should have stayed in place given the absence of a vaccine? Also shouldn't we have lockdowns because of the regular flu as well? You know, to save lives?

There are currently 7 times more COVID-19 related deaths in Spain than in Portugal. That must seem inexplicable to you given that they are neighbors and Spain's had even stricter restrictions than Portugal.

It's hilarious to see how out of touch with reality you're, actually it's Sweden who refused to let Danes into Sweden. You should leave your bubble and learn some real facts.

[URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20201221/sweden-blocks-travel-from-denmark-over-virus-fears[/URL]

In cases you missed it, there are currently less deaths per capita in Sweden than in the best country of Europe, Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517458]I understand it is hard for you to admit your hero failed miserably with more than 7 million votes behind Biden.

But I'm wondering if Trump is going to return the money people paid for four-figure tickets to a party he ditched yesterday. Let go swindler, forget about 4 more years and pay the money you owe to american taxpayers. ShooBree, your hero is pathetic, in fact you are both pathetic.[/QUOTE]Trump is the best American President since the 80's. I love how he still manages to make a pathetic libtard like you cry like a little baby.

Although Trump's great in comparison to Obama, Rodham and Biden I still wouldn't consider him a "hero". Another failed guess from you. Can you get anything right? Just an honest question from my part.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2517252]The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.[/QUOTE]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517381]Let's not beat about the bush. Answer please: did Trump win or not?[/QUOTE]He lost big! Only idiots dispute that fact.

[QUOTE=Beer30;2517635]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.[/QUOTE]I know people fighting in ICUs for their lives with C19. I do not go into crowds where 70% have C19 and I don't want to know anyone who does. Your alleged complacency is like the C19 parties students have.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking. You forgot to mention that the population of Sweden is much larger than any of the countries that you mentioned. Roughly 30 times more people lives in Sweden than Iceland, which is a tiny island far away from the rest of Europe.[/QUOTE]Talk about cherry picking, and distortion of numbers, you only mention Iceland to make you dishonest distortion.

I said:

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517380]Sweden's COVID-19 death toll is nearly six times the combined number in neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland as well as Iceland, all of which adopted stricter measures.[/QUOTE]Sweden's current population is around 10.4 million. The combined population of Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland is around 17 million. A combined population 60% greater than Sweden with 1/6th the Covid death toll. The government of Sweden is the Great Grim Reaper!

But you try to distort the facts by only singling out Iceland, with a population of around 365,000 while the other three counties I mentioned in the combined statistic each exceed 5 million in population.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]Not only is Sweden a country with a much larger population we also have a much percentage of immigrants which plays a big part.[/QUOTE]You clearly lack enough skill with the English language to write coherent sentences. I've got to realize it is unfair to debate someone stupid and lacking education.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517616]Although Trump's great in comparison to Obama, Rodham and Biden I still wouldn't consider him a "hero". Another failed guess from you. Can you get anything right? Just an honest question from my part.[/QUOTE]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2517338]Millions of people believe exactly that.

The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. [/QUOTE]Or maybe part of the problem might be that millions are still blindly believing whatever the mainstream media is feeding them with or the propaganda of their own government.

[QUOTE] They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. [/QUOTE]Even though we are on a forum which purpose is mainly to talk about fun times, the huge majority of people that consider lockdowns being counterproductive is because these lockdowns are destroying millions of people lives.

And I have a hard time picturing the better future that you're talking about when the only thing I'm seeing is lockdowns being enforced over and over.

[QUOTE] They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.[/QUOTE]This is the center of the problem. You're mostly thinking of people directly suffering or dying of covid while others aknowledge that a much bigger proportion of people are suffering economically and psychologically from these lockdowns.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]Never argue with a fool, for he will bring you down to his level, and he is more comfortable down there.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517670]The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).
[/QUOTE]So what do you plan on doing about "THEM"?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517667]Talk about cherry picking, and distortion of numbers, you only mention Iceland to make you dishonest distortion.

I said:

Sweden's current population is around 10.4 million. The combined population of Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland is around 17 million. A combined population 60% greater than Sweden with 1/6th the Covid death toll. The government of Sweden is the Great Grim Reaper!

But you try to distort the facts by only singling out Iceland, with a population of around 365,000 while the other three counties I mentioned in the combined statistic each exceed 5 million in population.

You clearly lack enough skill with the English language to write coherent sentences. I've got to realize it is unfair to debate someone stupid and lacking education.[/QUOTE]So in other words you admit that you're cherry-picking, great!

It's great to see that you finally admit that you're without any proper education. It's pretty embarrassing that you can't even read and understand English, do you speak any other language? I'm fluent in several different languages so if you feel more comfortable with another language it's no problem for me.

You could also apologize for only quoting and answering two out of seven paragraphs. It's almost like you're scared of me and unable to retort.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]You're making me laugh. Your lack of self-awareness is laughable. You're a pathetic joke.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517730]Or maybe part of the problem might be that millions are still blindly believing whatever the mainstream media is feeding them with or the propaganda of their own government.

Even though we are on a forum which purpose is mainly to talk about fun times, the huge majority of people that consider lockdowns being counterproductive is because these lockdowns are destroying millions of people lives.

And I have a hard time picturing the better future that you're talking about when the only thing I'm seeing is lockdowns being enforced over and over.

This is the center of the problem. You're mostly thinking of people directly suffering or dying of covid while others aknowledge that a much bigger proportion of people are suffering economically and psychologically from these lockdowns.[/QUOTE]It seems to me the "elites" of which you speak would be the people who publicly proclaimed it to be a "HOAX!", that "there is 1 case out of China, only 15 cases here and that will be near zero soon", that "we've got this under control", "this virus harms almost nobody", "it will go away without a vaccine", "there will be no coronavirus in the Fall", etc in order to argue against any mitigation measures, lockdowns and curfews to influence you to ignore the warnings and continue to buy stuff 24/7 all while they are on tape privately telling authors it is very serious, "bad", many times worse than the flu, highly infectious even for young people and so on.

What exactly is the evil motive for the mitigation measures, lockdown and curfew crowd again?

Despite the persistent effort from the earliest days by the ones I quoted above to discourage any effort to invent a vaccine for this virus or to even consider one might be necessary, a bunch of scientists did invent some vaccines anyway. And once we get the King of Chaos on his way to the golf course, the penitentiary or wherever and as far away from the levers of power as possible there will eventually be enough jabs of the vaccine in enough arms to put the lockdowns, curfews and whack-a-mole business closures behind us.

And, as bad as lockdowns are, that end will come with many more people still alive to get jabs (and buy stuff 24/7!) than would have been the case if we'd only listened to the "HOAX!" crowd 10 months ago.

[QUOTE=Beer30;2517635]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.[/QUOTE]75% positive is an alarming number, so I think you've made that up and are exaggerating just to prove your point.
But let's assume it's true. How many other people were infected by this 75%? And how many of these other people ended up in hospital with serious symptoms? And how many of them died? Most likely quite a lot.
Even with the lockdowns hospitals all over the world are overwhelmed by Covid19 patients. Without lockdowns and other methods, like keeping distance and face masks, the situation would be even more dramatic. For people as well as the economy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2517845]

.... And once we get the King of Chaos on his way to the golf course, the penitentiary or wherever and as far away from the levers of power as possible there will eventually be enough jabs of the vaccine in enough arms to put the lockdowns, curfews and whack-a-mole business closures behind us.

.... if we'd only listened to the "HOAX!" crowd 10 months ago.

[/QUOTE]What you like to tell us? Is it a Hoax like yor crazy golfplayer told. Or is it good, that the crazy President pushed them to invent a vaccine against a hoax?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]What else would you expect from someone supporting trump and Bolsonaro?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2517927]What you like to tell us? Is it a Hoax like yor crazy golfplayer told. Or is it good, that the crazy President pushed them to invent a vaccine against a hoax?[/QUOTE]No current president of the USA pushed anybody to invent a vaccine. The inventors all around the world were already swinging into action to invent one as early as February/March of last year when the only current president of the USA that I know about was still on the world stage trying to convince everyone nobody should bother doing anything about it (although he obviously knew better) since the risk was only a politically motivated "HOAX!", mocking mitigation efforts, that there would be near zero cases any minute now, it would go away on its own without a vaccine and would surely be gone on its own by April or by the Fall at the latest.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517790]So in other words you admit that you're cherry-picking, great![/QUOTE]Actually he just said the total opposite but you have serious issues with reading and understanding.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517934]What else would you expect from someone supporting trump and Bolsonaro?[/QUOTE]Everyone with a functioning brain supports Trump and Bolsonaro. You're a braindead libtard.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611] {SNIP} In cases you missed it, there are currently less deaths per capita in Sweden than in the best country of Europe, Switzerland.[/QUOTE]I guess Denmark (237 deaths / million), Germany (416), Ireland (454), Norway (80) Portugal (692) have left Europe since all have fewer deaths per capita than Sweden.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2517949]... it would go away on its own without a vaccine and would surely be gone on its own by April or by the Fall at the latest.[/QUOTE]Probably true statements. The only question is what year.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2517641]He lost big! Only idiots dispute that fact.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Shoobee the stupid Swede.

When he's asked to state whether Trump won or lost.

He shrinks and melts into a corner, unable to process and answer the question. Like the question is his Kryptonite that's killing him.

Hahahahaha.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]

There are currently 7 times more COVID-19 related deaths in Spain than in Portugal. That must seem inexplicable to you given that they are neighbors and Spain's had even stricter restrictions than Portugal.

In cases you missed it, there are currently less deaths per capita in Sweden than in the best country of Europe, Switzerland.[/QUOTE]

In the last 7 days there were on average 69,9 deaths in Portugal and 144,7 in Spain...7 times more? stricter measures in Spain? no, the same.

Deaths per 100.000 in Sweden currently: 0,6; Belgium: 0,6; France, Netherlands, Denmark, 0,5; Spain: 0,3; Finland, Iceland and Norway: less than 0,1.

So you see, Sweden is the worst amongst nordic countries...probably because of that stupid idea of herd immunity.

More Trump style lies or you got your numbers wrong?

[QUOTE=Tavares;2518066]Deaths per capita in Sweden currently: 0,6; Belgium: 0,6; France, Netherlands, Denmark, 0,5; Spain: 0,3; Finland, Iceland and Norway: less than 0,1.

More lies or you got your numbers wrong?[/QUOTE]Your numbers are incorrect and make no sense.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517992]Actually he just said the total opposite but you have serious issues with reading and understanding.[/QUOTE]You're the moron who doesn't understand sarcasm. Unlike you I can read between the lines.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]In cases you missed it, there are currently less deaths per capita in Sweden than in the best country of Europe, Switzerland.[/QUOTE]And in case you missed it it has been the opposite during something like 8 months. (like two times less deaths during a loooooong period).

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~CHE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]

And guess what they did a few months ago? They eased the restrictions! And guess what they're doing right now? They're toughening the restrictions!

[QUOTE=Tavares;2518066]In the last 7 days there were on average 69,9 deaths in Portugal and 144,7 in Spain...7 times more? stricter measures in Spain? no, the same.[/QUOTE]Counting from the beginning Spain has about seven times the total deaths of Portugal, 50,887 to 7, 118. Shoobree though omitted the population disparity, Spain approaching five times greater which renders the comparison much less significant. What IS quite significant is the comparison between Sweden and their neighbor Norway, the former with 11 times the per capita Covid death rate. This is especially telling given the similar demographics and logistics of the two countries. But you are correct, for as to the recent information over the last two months, Portugal is actually doing worse than Spain when population is considered.

I'll add this for the sake of the overall discussion, and it's not directed at Tavares. Some make a fatal mistake when they assume that "lockdowns" and the like are consistently followed. Yet in many places the masks go on in the streets where the police are checking but come right off for the house parties. Same can be said for inside the bars and night clubs in places where they are open.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518069]Unlike you I can read between the lines.[/QUOTE]The problem is you can't read the lines.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518055]Don't forget Shoobee the stupid Swede.

When he's asked to state whether Trump won or lost.

He shrinks and melts into a corner, unable to process and answer the question. Like the question is his Kryptonite that's killing him.

Hahahahaha.[/QUOTE]It's a sure dilemma. If he says yes then he aligns himself with a bunch of moronic conspiracy theories that have been constantly laughed out of court. If he says no then he admits that Trump is a blustering liar.

You know ShoeTroll suffered a heavy head trauma when he he hit the table after sucking dr Tegnell's cock for 6 months. It's easier for him if you show him a nice chart:

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=ESP~PRT&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]

So since mid November Spain is actually doing better than Portugal concerning confirmed deaths. And if we look at the cumulative confirmed deaths we have 1087 deaths in Spain and 691 in Portugal (per million people). To my knowledge 691 times 7 is not equal to 1087. Mid-April it was the case yes, Spain had 7 times more deaths than Portugal but it was 8 months ago.

The white supremacist website where he finds his arguments needs a good update!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518093]And in case you missed it it has been the opposite during something like 8 months. (like two times less deaths during a loooooong period).

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~CHE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]

And guess what they did a few months ago? They eased the restrictions! And guess what they're doing right now? They're toughening the restrictions![/QUOTE]So what? There are still more deaths per capita in Switzerland than in Sweden. It only goes to show that even if you are one of the few countries that had any success with the lockdowns all can be undone in a wink of an eye. I laugh when I see the panic in Thailand, Norway and Denmark.

You have displayed time after time that you don't see the full picture. It is like you are autistic, you are obsessing over the numbers of deaths when there are other factors that matters as well.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518055]Don't forget Shoobee the stupid Swede.

When he's asked to state whether Trump won or lost.

He shrinks and melts into a corner, unable to process and answer the question. Like the question is his Kryptonite that's killing him.

Hahahahaha.[/QUOTE]Oh how sad I get when the crack***** fucker calls me stupid.

Why do you fuck crack*****s? Is it because all the regular working girls won't touch you or are you simply unable to afford a decent, drugfree hooker?

You obviously lack class, intelligence and good taste.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518098] What IS quite significant is the comparison between Sweden and their neighbor Norway, the former with 11 times the per capita Covid death rate. This is especially telling given the similar demographics and logistics of the two countries.[/QUOTE]Norway and Sweden similar demographics and 'logistics'? You obviously have never been to these countries. Oslo is a village compared to Stockholm, the biggest, only really city in Scandinavia. The international arrivals and transits into Sweden, immigrant population, and access by Chinese in the critical pre-pandemic weeks all on totally different scale from Norway where many of their population centers are remote if not isolated from ready international access for virus spread.

Trump Pressured Georgia Secretary of State to 'Find' Votes. 'There is nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you recalculated,' the president told Brad Raffensperger. Listen to the audio in the second link.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-urged-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-overturn-election-results-11609707084[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html[/URL]

Methinks the members protest too much. Anybody see the side by side photos of Wuhan, China and Times Square, NYC on 1/1/2021 ?

Sweden, Portugal, Brazil, Norway, Lost Angeles. Not many mentions anymore of Bengazi, where the CIA station boss was offed.

"Lock her up" ? Nope. Teflon President? Spike Lee made the latest movie about the American. War, in S. E. Asia. Covid 19 is still a moving target. Quit The quibbling or quarrel behind the scenes on PM.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2518220]Trump Pressured Georgia Secretary of State to 'Find' Votes. 'There is nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you recalculated,' the president told Brad Raffensperger. Listen to the audio in the second link.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-urged-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-overturn-election-results-11609707084[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html[/URL][/QUOTE]His strong arm tactics against the Georgia officials of his own party are the very election fraud that he's complaining about. The votes have been counted there three times and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation did an audit of the signature matching systems. Only 20 more days and the clown is out of power.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518146]You know ShoeTroll suffered a heavy head trauma when he he hit the table after sucking dr Tegnell's cock for 6 months. It's easier for him if you show him a nice chart:

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=ESP~PRT&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]

So since mid November Spain is actually doing better than Portugal concerning confirmed deaths. And if we look at the cumulative confirmed deaths we have 1087 deaths in Spain and 691 in Portugal (per million people). To my knowledge 691 times 7 is not equal to 1087. Mid-April it was the case yes, Spain had 7 times more deaths than Portugal but it was 8 months ago.

The white supremacist website where he finds his arguments needs a good update![/QUOTE]As usual you get everything confused, you should focus on improving your lacking reading comprehension skills instead of fantasizing about me. It's creepy. But maybe that's a result of your father / grandpa molesting you.

Spain has a total of 50'837 deaths and Portugal 7'118 deaths. That's 7.14 times more deaths. Congratulations, in next post I might teach you the difference between a million and a billion. You're welcome.

But go ahead with your irrelevant BS, are you trying to make me sleepy? Get a life weirdo.

It's extremely funny to be a called a White supremacist, there's no truth to it whatsoever, but it only reveals how you know absolutely nothing about me. Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? I'm even starting to get tired of asking you that.

Funny how [URL]worldometers.info[/URL] became a "white supremacist website".

Career Crybaby Loser Trump has already lost Georgia to Biden 3 times. Now he is demanding a 4th loss to Biden. lol.

He knows he REALLY needs the Dems to control the Senate so there is at least a chance he can make back some of the hundreds of million$ he owes those Putin thugs in another Dem economic recovery/expansion after this latest in a century-long uninterrupted series of Great Republican Crashes/Depressions/Recessions.

[b]Trump pressures Georgia top election official to 'find' votes and overturn Biden victory in phone call.
"Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data that you have is wrong," Brad Raffensperger told Trump, according to the recording.[/b]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/03/trump-pressures-georgia-top-election-official-to-find-votes-and-overturn-biden-victory-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

At this point Trump should just hold a Covid Super Spreader rally in Georgia and implore his lemming cult followers to "Please, for the love of God and upside-down bibles, VOTE for the Dems in this runoff election! We all need the money! And no one needs it more than me, your Lord and Savior!"

That would at least be more direct and manly than this pathetic leaked audio way for him to try to shift votes to the Dems.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518239]His strong arm tactics against the Georgia officials of his own party are the very election fraud that he's complaining about. [/QUOTE]True but give those electors credit for not falling for the con. Coupled with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumpsfled along with all the former living Defense secetaries signing a letter saying the election is over, you'd hope Trump would stop losing but nope.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-defense-secretaries-release-letter-003636520.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2518191]Norway and Sweden similar demographics and 'logistics'? You obviously have never been to these countries. Oslo is a village compared to Stockholm, the biggest, only really city in Scandinavia. The international arrivals and transits into Sweden, immigrant population, and access by Chinese in the critical pre-pandemic weeks all on totally different scale from Norway where many of their population centers are remote if not isolated from ready international access for virus spread.[/QUOTE]The population of Stockholm is only about 1/3rd larger than urban centers that you call "villages," like Oslo. Copenhagen is about the same size as the latter. Yes, governments, cultures, and public transportation are all similar in Sweden and Norway, as well as Denmark. The percentage of Norwegian residents with an immigrant background is 16.8%. For Sweden it's 24.9% and not drastically higher.

[URL]https://www.urbantransportgroup.org/system/files/general-docs/UTG%20Scandinavian%20Transport%20Report_Final.pdf[/URL]

So with that out of the way, what does that leave us? Airports. According to the graphs linked below, the "village" Copenhagen has the busiest airport in Scandinavia, followed by the "village" Oslo. The "only real city" Stockholm is third. In fact it even includes a post Covid stat, and Oslo airport was far busier than Stockholm in April of 2020. I realize this is Wikipedia, but it's sourced, with Euro language links at the bottom.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_Nordic_countries[/URL]

But anyway, if you want to prove that Sweden's somewhat higher percentage (8.1%) of immigrants and / or an onslaught of infected Chinese at the Stockholm airport early on explains the extreme disparity, Sweden to Norway in per capita death rates, 11-1, then be my guest. The overwhelming consensus though sees differing pandemic responses, both as to governments and citizens as the primary causes. Here's one link, and more are of course legion. The case is practically common knowledge at this point. And going forward, keep in mind that a bit of decent research goes further than a guy in a monger forum making sweeping assertions while claiming he has been some place.

[URL]https://partner.sciencenorway.no/epidemic-health-healthcare/comparing-norway-and-sweden-norwegian-coronavirus-measures-reduced-hospitalizations-drastically/1701510[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518271]As usual you get everything confused, you should focus on improving your lacking reading comprehension skills instead of fantasizing about me. It's creepy. But maybe that's a result of your father / grandpa molesting you.

Spain has a total of 50'837 deaths and Portugal 7'118 deaths. That's 7.14 times more deaths. Congratulations, in next post I might teach you the [/QUOTE]Don't you get it ShoeTroll it's a bigger country.

You know, 'per capita'? When it suits your delusional views you like to use 'per capita' datas!

So according to your new way of thinking there are 20 times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway. And nearly 300 times more than in Iceland! Is there a war in Sweden?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518271]It's creepy. But maybe that's a result of your father / grandpa molesting you.[/QUOTE]Projecting again?

Calm down.

Deep breaths.

We won't let him harm you or the pickled herring anymore.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2518317]True but give those electors credit for not falling for the con. Coupled with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumpsfled along with all the former living Defense secetaries signing a letter saying the election is over, you'd hope Trump would stop losing but nope.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-defense-secretaries-release-letter-003636520.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The derangement syndrome will reverse to include the One who did not win and a basket of deplorables.

Don't call him a loser.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518151]You have displayed time after time that you don't see the full picture. It is like you are autistic, you are obsessing over the numbers of deaths when there are other factors that matters as well.[/QUOTE]What factor matters more than the # of deaths or death rate?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2518191]Norway and Sweden similar demographics and 'logistics'? You obviously have never been to these countries. Oslo is a village compared to Stockholm, the biggest, only really city in Scandinavia. The international arrivals and transits into Sweden, immigrant population, and access by Chinese in the critical pre-pandemic weeks all on totally different scale from Norway where many of their population centers are remote if not isolated from ready international access for virus spread.[/QUOTE]All three cities, Oslo, Copenhagen, and Stockhlom had direct flights from China during the early stages of Covid, though the latter two had more carriers. Of course Sweden's per capita death rates are far higher. So yea you were all over the place. Literally nothing you said was true, and the conclusions you drew wholly unsubstantiated.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2518317]True but give those electors credit for not falling for the con. Coupled with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumpsfled along with all the former living Defense secetaries signing a letter saying the election is over, you'd hope Trump would stop losing but nope.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-defense-secretaries-release-letter-003636520.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes a lot of people deserve credit, even Bob Barr who did what was right in the end. Trump has thrown everything and the kitchen sink at the system and it has held up. It should concern us though that so much disruption has been possible, and that Trump was able to function as a quasi-dictator in spite of the Constitution. But I give the most credit to the people who responded to the pandemic and a reckoning on race with record voter turnout. We spoke loud and clear, and there's enough reasonable people in authority to prevent the usurpers from taking it from us.

P.S. Was funny, Trumpites saying Joe couldn't draw a crowd, totally disproven by the celebrations all over country in the streets after the election was called. This is our time. Enjoy it.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518271]As usual you get everything confused, you should focus on improving your lacking reading comprehension skills instead of fantasizing about me. It's creepy. But maybe that's a result of your father / grandpa molesting you.

Spain has a total of 50'837 deaths and Portugal 7'118 deaths. That's 7.14 times more deaths. Congratulations, in next post I might teach you the difference between a million and a billion. You're welcome.

But go ahead with your irrelevant BS, are you trying to make me sleepy? Get a life weirdo.

It's extremely funny to be a called a White supremacist, there's no truth to it whatsoever, but it only reveals how you know absolutely nothing about me. Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? I'm even starting to get tired of asking you that.

Funny how [URL]worldometers.info[/URL] became a "white supremacist website".[/QUOTE]All participants in this discussion are anxious to hear from you: Did Trump win the election, yes or no? Very easy. Just share your opinion with all of us, mongers.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2518412]All participants in this discussion are anxious to hear from you: Did Trump win the election, yes or no? Very easy. Just share your opinion with all of us, mongers.[/QUOTE]I really want to answer your question but I won't since you haven't contributed any information of value to this website.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518355]What factor matters more than the # of deaths or death rate?[/QUOTE]That's a question you should answer since you wrote about deaths and not deaths per capita in your post.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518347]Projecting again?

Calm down.

Deep breaths.

We won't let him harm you or the pickled herring anymore.[/QUOTE]I'm not projecting anything.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518344]Don't you get it ShoeTroll it's a bigger country.

You know, 'per capita'? When it suits your delusional views you like to use 'per capita' datas!

So according to your new way of thinking there are 20 times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway. And nearly 300 times more than in Iceland! Is there a war in Sweden?[/QUOTE]You should focus on trying to read and comprehend what I actually wrote instead of fantasizing.

Yes please and we also would love to know how strong is herd immunity in Sweden right now, four months after you defeated the virus thanks to the good doctor Tegnell. And what's going on with your charming king?

At Paulie: me too I like this sweet Norwegian website. These Norwegian dudes seem to be really good friends with their neighbours!

[URL]https://sciencenorway.no/borders-covid19-nordics/the-border-between-norway-and-sweden-is-closed-for-the-first-time-since-1954-will-the-pandemic-ruin-their-special-friendship/1780394[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2504371]Canada, there is no point in arguing with the fanatics & cool aid drinkers.... Everyone knows the recent election was a fraud. [/QUOTE]A while back we had a few here like the guy above, arguing that Trump was robbed, but they all flew the coop as Trump and far right media got more and more ridiculous and the lawsuits tumbled one after another. Sad thing is that guys like this can't see who the real Koolaid drinker is, but you know such a cause is long lost when someone like Shoobree won't sign on.

Better luck next time conservatives. You deserve a seat at the table, but bring any more pathological liars / quasi-dictators / bigots and expect to see more very high voter turnout. And there are more of us than there are of you.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518593]Yes please and we also would love to know how strong is herd immunity in Sweden right now, four months after you defeated the virus thanks to the good doctor Tegnell. And what's going on with your charming king?

At Paulie: me too I like this sweet Norwegian website. These Norwegian dudes seem to be really good friends with their neighbours!

[URL]https://sciencenorway.no/borders-covid19-nordics/the-border-between-norway-and-sweden-is-closed-for-the-first-time-since-1954-will-the-pandemic-ruin-their-special-friendship/1780394[/URL][/QUOTE]These Wingnuts have such a hard time letting go of lost causes, whether it's Trump, Covid denialism, or their great hope, Sweden.

Another point about the demographics of Scandinavia is that population is heavily concentrated in urban areas, 84% and above when we are talking about the four largest countries. And actually the greatest population density, and by far, is found in Denmark, not Sweden. So yea, the excuse mongering, scapegoating immigrants, complaining about Chinese when they were flying into Norway and Denmark as well doesn't hold water. Bad policy in Sweden is responsible for many thousands of preventable deaths.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518593]Yes please and we also would love to know how strong is herd immunity in Sweden right now, four months after you defeated the virus thanks to the good doctor Tegnell. And what's going on with your charming king?

At Paulie: me too I like this sweet Norwegian website. These Norwegian dudes seem to be really good friends with their neighbours!

[URL]https://sciencenorway.no/borders-covid19-nordics/the-border-between-norway-and-sweden-is-closed-for-the-first-time-since-1954-will-the-pandemic-ruin-their-special-friendship/1780394[/URL][/QUOTE]Why do you ignore the everything going against your ridiculous propaganda?

[URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20201221/sweden-blocks-travel-from-denmark-over-virus-fears[/URL]

Tegnell did a much better job than the lockdown populists.

I still wonder why you want to punish over 90% of the population for which the COVID-19 isn't worse than the regular flu. You have no right to limit the freedom of others because you're a scared little geezer.

For you to not be a total hypocrite you must also advocate lockdowns to limit the deaths caused by the regular flu. So what is it, are you a total crazy person or a just a hypocrite?

The people who complain about Antifa and BLM while giving these guys a pass. Going after houses of worship, WOW, all in the spirit of Dylann Roof.

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/proud-boys-leader-arrested-after-allegedly-destroying-d-c-church-n1252789[/URL]

And while ignoring the fact that white supremacists are our "most persistent and lethal" domestic terror threat, this according to a recent report from DHS that was released in spite of Trump's protestations.

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518577]You should focus on trying to read and comprehend what I actually wrote.. .[/QUOTE]Utter crap?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518540]I really want to answer your question but I won't since you haven't contributed any information of value to this website.[/QUOTE]On the contrary, I corrected your information wrongly comparing Spain and Portugal and assessing Sweden's death rate pc in comparison with the rest of nordic countries.

OK if you don't want to admit that mentally retarded lost. In Europe you are pretty isolated, you know, in supporting that deranged guy.

Hey,

I also corrected him when he was wrongly saying that Sweden was doing better than Ireland and when he said that France was taking too much money from Europe and I never got credit!

I also forgot his funny theory about the Chinese origin of the Spanish flu (only vaguely supported by one historian).

[QUOTE=Tavares;2518796]On the contrary, I corrected your information wrongly comparing Spain and Portugal and assessing Sweden's death rate pc in comparison with the rest of nordic countries.

OK if you don't want to admit that mentally retarded lost. In Europe you are pretty isolated, you know, in supporting that deranged guy.[/QUOTE]You're totally wrong. My stats were 100 percent correct. There are more Covid-19 related deaths in Spain than in Portugal. 1092 per million in Spain and 707 per million in Portugal. Over 1.5 times more deaths in Spain than Portugal per capita.

Your cherry-picking only shows how weak your arguments are.

You're the deranged guy and millions of Europeans do support Trump.

Can't you get anything right?

[QUOTE=Tavares;2518796]On the contrary, I corrected your information wrongly comparing Spain and Portugal and assessing Sweden's death rate pc in comparison with the rest of nordic countries.

OK if you don't want to admit that mentally retarded lost. In Europe you are pretty isolated, you know, in supporting that deranged guy.[/QUOTE]You're totally wrong. My stats were 100 percent correct and what you wrote made no sense, you're just too stupid to understand that. There are more Covid-19 related deaths in Spain than in Portugal. 1092 per million in Spain and 707 per million in Portugal. Over 1.5 times more deaths in Spain than Portugal per capita.

Your cherry-picking only shows how weak your arguments are.

You're obviously the deranged guy and millions of Europeans do support Trump.

You still haven't understood that I was referring to information about P4P, that's what this website is for. You should start contributing to this site instead of writing your moronic opinions.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518380]Yes a lot of people deserve credit, even Bob Barr who did what was right in the end. Trump has thrown everything and the kitchen sink at the system and it has held up. It should concern us though that so much disruption has been possible, and that Trump was able to function as a quasi-dictator in spite of the Constitution. But I give the most credit to the people who responded to the pandemic and a reckoning on race with record voter turnout. We spoke loud and clear, and there's enough reasonable people in authority to prevent the usurpers from taking it from us.

P.S. Was funny, Trumpites saying Joe couldn't draw a crowd, totally disproven by the celebrations all over country in the streets after the election was called. This is our time. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]China, Iran and the American flag burners are celebrating.

It's true as they say; Americans are stupid.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518802]Hey,

I also corrected him when he was wrongly saying that Sweden was doing better than Ireland and when he said that France was taking too much money from Europe and I never got credit!

I also forgot his funny theory about the Chinese origin of the Spanish flu (only vaguely supported by one historian).[/QUOTE]France do not contribute with as much as they should to the EU, Sweden contributes with much more per capita than France. The UK left the EU because they had to pay so much more than shitty countries like France. Sweden's net contribution per capita is almost twice (77% to be more precise) as big as the net contribution per capita of France.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318[/URL]

[URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-countries-are-the-biggest-boost-or-drag-on-the-eu-budget/[/URL]

You're wrong as usual. Several experts claims that the Spanish flu originated from China. You're fact-resistant.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518778]Utter crap?[/QUOTE]That's what you're.

Georgia on my mind. A trail of tears, from sea to shining sea. From Old Virginia to Astoria, Oregon.

[QUOTE]So, poorer countries and [b]those with a lot of farms[/b] get more.[/QUOTE]Look, the European union wrote a document for trolls like you: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/food-farming-fisheries/key_policies/documents/cap-separating-facts-from-fiction_en.pdf[/URL].

Let's get to the numbers:

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html[/URL]

France gives 22,78 billions for a total population of 67 M. Sweden gives 3,56 billions for a population of 10,2 M. Per capita that makes 340,3 for France and 349 for Sweden. You want me to thank you for the 9 euros? That's correlated to the GDP Shooshoo, you should understand that.

And France receives 15,09 billions, Sweden 1,71 billions.

Of course if you cherry pick like you love to do it, you stop here and say that 'Evil parasites blablabla we're going to do the Swexit" (suit yourself).

But if you read all the words in the article, you see something about agriculture.

[URL]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/104/the-common-agricultural-policy-in-figures[/URL]

Look at the table V above, 9,55 billions of the amount that France receives is for the agriculture. For Sweden it's 0,89.

Still in the same table, 16,9% and 1,6% are the two percentages for France and Sweden (percentage of the total agricultural policy expense).

Now look at the table II. France has 16,3 % of the total agricultural area, Sweden 1,7 %. France produces 18,3 % of the total agricultural output of EU, Sweden 15,1 %.

Maybe know you get it, the 16,9 % and 1,6 %.

So if we deduce the help for agriculture from the total income coming from EU, we have 5,54 billions for France and 0,82 for Sweden. Per capita: 82,7 for France and 80,4 for Sweden.

Sorry for the 2,3. Maybe that's because France founded EU with a few other altruistic countries and we have something like European Parliament in Strasbourg.

As for China, I already explained you the contents of the article you quoted but you're really stubborn, with the money saved by cutting the internet access your parents could pay for some reading lessons.

[URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Historian Mark Humphries of Canada's Memorial University of Newfoundland says that newly unearthed records confirm that one of the side stories of the war [b]may have been[/b] the source of the pandemic.
Humphries [b]acknowledges that his hypothesis awaits confirmation[/b] by viral samples from flu victims
Humphries [b]concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off[/b]
[b]"I'm not sure if this question can ever be fully answered," Taubenberger cautions[/b], noting that even the origin of a smaller flu pandemic in 2009 still eludes certainty.[/QUOTE]Got it now? When one guy says that maybe, it came from China, that's not really 'several experts'.

Now read this one:

[URL]https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310[/URL]

I know it's difficult, no big title for you.

I'll help you:

[QUOTE]The simplest objection is to the idea that Chinese labourers were responsible for the spread of the pandemic virus. Crucially, Shanks showed that influenza cases among Chinese and Southeast Asian labourers and military recruits lagged, rather than led, cases among other groups in the same locales. Moreover, Chinese labourers were also shipped to Europe from the East via Suez or the Cape, although these routes were rapidly abandoned in March of 1917 in favour of transporting them across Canada . Finally, although the Chinese workers were reportedly transported across Canada in sealed trains, it seems unlikely even under this harsh scenario that the virus would not have initiated detectable spread in Canada if these individuals really were the original hosts of the pathogen.[/QUOTE]This one is rather good for you too, you just have to read the first lines: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm[/URL].

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2518885]Georgia on my mind. A trail of tears, from sea to shining sea. From Old Virginia to Astoria, Oregon.[/QUOTE]The results from today's Senate elections in Georgia will be interesting.

Polling was showing both contests were running tightly. Running neck and neck and neck and neck.

Going to get down to who's motivated more: Voters strongly wanting democratic majority rule for the US, or those fiercely against it.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518875]...

You're wrong as usual. Several experts claims that the Spanish flu originated from China. You're fact-resistant.[/QUOTE]I think the more recent research shows it likely is of North American origin, probably avian but maybe (surprisingly) equine.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2518912]I think the more recent research shows it likely is of North American origin, probably avian but maybe (surprisingly) equine.[/QUOTE]True. I think Kentucky.

Great Video on the topic.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MHT5xTkL2g&t=1490s[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518707]Why do you ignore the everything going against your ridiculous propaganda?

[URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20201221/sweden-blocks-travel-from-denmark-over-virus-fears[/URL]

Tegnell did a much better job than the lockdown populists.

I still wonder why you want to punish over 90% of the population for which the COVID-19 isn't worse than the regular flu.[/QUOTE]Because it kills a big portion of the remaing 10% that want to stay in the population.

Why does your King now apologize for Dr? Tegnall's stupid losing herd immunity roulette?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518707]You have no right to limit the freedom of others because you're a scared little geezer.

For you to not be a total hypocrite you must also advocate lockdowns to limit the deaths caused by the regular flu. So what is it, are you a total crazy person or a just a hypocrite?[/QUOTE]You seem like a cray person making crazy comparisons. But I'm not afraid to answer your question, despite you being crazy-shit afraid to answer some questions.

We don't lockdown to prevent spread of the flu, which might turn out deadly for some.

For the same reason we don't outlaw automobiles, which are involved in deadly accidents.

Part of the way to identify crazy, is to see if a person can logically sort out and choose between realistic, real world rewards and consequences.

With over half of the vote counted at 6 PM PST the dems both lead for both seats with each getting approx. 52% of the votes.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518899]Look, the European union wrote a document for trolls like you: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/food-farming-fisheries/key_policies/documents/cap-separating-facts-from-fiction_en.pdf[/URL].

Let's get to the numbers:

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html[/URL]

France gives 22,78 billions for a total population of 67 M. Sweden gives 3,56 billions for a population of 10,2 M. Per capita that makes 340,3 for France and 349 for Sweden. You want me to thank you for the 9 euros? That's correlated to the GDP Shooshoo, you should understand that.

And France receives 15,09 billions, Sweden 1,71 billions.

Of course if you cherry pick like you love to do it, you stop here and say that 'Evil parasites blablabla we're going to do the Swexit" (suit yourself)..[/QUOTE]Wow, you can't even read. You're such a troll.

The net contribution / capita of Sweden is 77% higher than the one of France. You're are not doing your part! Which is partly why the UK left. France is a worthless country with moronic politicians as Macron dividing and destroying the Union. The hard facts are in front of you, you just have to accept the reality for what it is.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318[/URL]

[URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/whi...the-eu-budget[/URL]

Just look at Calais, migrants are desperate to leave France for England. France is such a mess.

I know that you're just a troll but no matter how many times you repeat your lies they won't become reality.

France is still not contributing with what they should to the EU and several experts are still writing that the Spanish flu probably originated from China. It's out there. I didn't make it up and I honestly couldn't care less where it came from, but the experts are still talking about how the Spanish flu may be the Chinese flu. Don't take it up with me, take it up with the experts. I'm sure they can't wait to laugh in your face.

Sing it for us Ray.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufSJChOFG8&list=RDMMI_miwWpWStY&index=2[/URL]

I made a typo. Sweden produces 1,5 % of the total output of EU, not 15,1 %.

The net contribution of Belgium and Luxembourg is negative.

You should exterminate them by playing Abba records until they die. Or force fed them with herrings?

Are you so illiterate that you can only read the title or look at the graphs when you read an article?

I gave you all the sources and the figures!

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518990]Because it kills a big portion of the remaing 10% that want to stay in the population.

Why does your King now apologize for Dr? Tegnall's stupid losing herd immunity roulette?

You seem like a cray person making crazy comparisons. But I'm not afraid to answer your question, despite you being crazy-shit afraid to answer some questions.

We don't lockdown to prevent spread of the flu, which might turn out deadly for some.

For the same reason we don't outlaw automobiles, which are involved in deadly accidents.

Part of the way to identify crazy, is to see if a person can logically sort out and choose between realistic, real world rewards and consequences.[/QUOTE]Show me the "apology".

Hilarious, you're aware that the "king" is the laughingstock of Sweden? That fool can barely even read! He's generally considered to be the dumbest person in Sweden. But thank you for demonstrating how out of reach with reality you really are, just like the "king".

Sweden's strategy was never to reach herd immunity, that's simply another false statement from you. The strategy was to keep things as normal as possible to reduce the harm done to the rest of the society which got nothing to fear from the virus.

We both know that you are the one who's crazy. It becomes evident looking at your posts on here, in particularly the ones from Tijuana.

Let me see if I got it correct, you're okay with people dying from the regular flu but not the coronavirus. Will you confess now that you're a hypocrite?

Congrats maybe you're not so much a desperate case after all.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516430]The Spanish flu originated from China.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2516712]Everyone knows that the Spanish flu came from China.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516820]The flu came from China according to most experts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517779]According to many experts the Spanish flu came from China,[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518875]Several experts claims that the Spanish flu originated from China.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519048]several experts are still writing that the Spanish flu probably originated from China....
but the experts are still talking about how the Spanish flu may be the Chinese flu[/QUOTE]Everyone == Most == Many == Several == Several. . . Probably / The. . . May be.

You're the kind of guy to have really robust opinions no? In 8 days we've been from 'everyone knows' to 'several experts. Probably'.

It looks like slowly, a little spark of intelligence is making its way inside your herring-flavored brain.

I'm going to help you again:

[QUOTE=Definition_of_several]A2
some, but not a lot:

Several people have complained about the scheme.
Several of my friends studied in Manchester.
Do you want to take one? - We've got several.

More examples
I left her several messages, but she hasn't returned my call.
There are several properties for sale in this area.
He was stabbed several times in the chest.
Adams is being courted by several football clubs.
The explosion wrecked several cars and damaged nearby buildings.[/QUOTE][URL]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/learner-english/several[/URL]

You seem to have a very plastic brain like 2 yo toddlers, I'm going to insist until you finally confess that the spanish flu came from Sweden and you spread it to the world by selling pickled herrings, Abba records and Ikea Billy shelves (which are really good by the way just like your Sandvik steel, too bad you sold it to the bad guys 80 years ago).

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519048]Wow, you can't even read. You're such a troll.

The net contribution / capita of Sweden is 77% higher than the one of France. You're are not doing your part! Which is partly why the UK left. France is a worthless country with moronic politicians as Macron dividing and destroying the Union. The hard facts are in front of you, you just have to accept the reality for what it is.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318[/URL][/QUOTE]This article that Shoobee the stupid has cited actually matches up better with what BigBuddy69 is telling us, not what the Swde writes.

The BBC article actually says this:

"Each country pays the same proportion of its national income to the EU budget, so richer countries pay more and poorer ones less. Some countries, such as the UK, pay less because they receive a rebate."

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519197]Are you so illiterate that you can only read the title or look at the graphs when you read an article?

I gave you all the sources and the figures![/QUOTE]

Hey bigtroll, facts still don't care about your feelings.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2519084]Sing it for us Ray.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufSJChOFG8&list=RDMMI_miwWpWStY&index=2[/URL][/QUOTE]Bet you won't hear that song in the White House, at least not until Trump is evicted. Trump has made America great again though, he gave control back to the Democrats. Wanock is in and Ossoff looks is looking like the winner now.

This tune is not as sweet as Ray's Georgia on my mind but it gets you moving.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCIDRLCROWE[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519225]Congrats maybe you're not so much a desperate case after all..[/QUOTE]The Spanish flu came from China according to several experts. That's the truth. That you spend so much time on debating that tells me that you're a sad excuse for a human. You're so pathetic.

I won't stop until you admit that you're a pathetic little man without any real life.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519271]The Spanish flu came from China according to several experts. That's the truth. [/QUOTE]You're backtracking, you regressed to the 'several experts' step. Did you forget to take your medecine this morning or the electroshock session was too intense this afternoon?

Ask mommy to make you copy 100 times the definition of 'several' that I gave you. Or maybe you also want the definition of truth? Experts?

Then read your article again. [URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/[/URL].

What do you think of this sentence?

[QUOTE]Humphries concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519271]I won't stop until you admit that you're a pathetic little man without any real life.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it doesn't work like this also.

[URL]https://www.positiveparenting.com/dealing-with-power-struggles/[/URL]

Maybe I should try side-stepping with you.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519271]The Spanish flu came from China according to several experts. That's the truth. ..[/QUOTE]Cite even one expert, please. I believe both the epidemiology and the virology show the virus originating elsewhere. Probably North America.