FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1890049] Arabella has Alexandra, a pretty young hottie with a nice slim bod.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this info is old, but she used to be covered only but does it w / o since March.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1890420]This is why we still keep you on the payroll!

Thanks for these useful tips and insights, VitC.

BTW, is Marieanna still at Venus?[/QUOTE]She was not there the day I visited. No Denisa either. Just Dana, bahar, michaela (older big floppy tits) & the the the the the the that's all folks. I used a lame ass excuse & walked out.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;1890385]Mina aka Kamelia in Aca Gold is not in Gold anymore.[/QUOTE]Maybe she plans to return to Venus as she had 4-5 guys waiting in line for her services.

[QUOTE=Creature2;1890265]Hey Vito, many thanks for all thise updates about current AO scene in NRW. Maybe Dietz could be a safer bet regarding the line up.

Do you have any clue about the whereabout of former Club LaLuna and Club Angelique girls, BTW.[/QUOTE]There are still some OK looking girls at the clubs. I'm just picky & not satisfied to just slide it in any ole hole just to do it bare. I'm happy to bang 1 hottie 4-8 (sometimes over 10 when Raissa was new) times then return the next day & bang her again & again. Sabrina at Arabella is very popular & is quite busy. Not stunning but nice looking for a RTC. I've seen her on the couch doing guys & she def has some nice moves! Karina (anal chick) Alexa (cll) Anastasia (Bulgarian short blonde hair with tats) & Alexandra's sister. All decent looking.

A couple girls at grim Diana & some chicks name I forgot are also OK.

After my poor results in Krefeld, I thought I'd try an old reliable, Villa Venus. Paid 25 entry and immediately noticed the paucity of girls. However I was determined not to sink into lethargy and quickly chose Nicole, Bulgaria, who is slim. Even in the dark of the club I knew she wasn't somehow my type, but I thought I could risk 30 euro. When I got close I noticed her two amazing rabbit teeth and nearly ran away, but I thought, let's see if it's possible to kiss such a set of teeth. We went to the room and her performance was good, but totally lacking in chemistry from my side. After this I left, and called in at the Duisburg RLD, where after my crap three venues so far, I finally found a minor star (in fact an ex VV worker)

Of the maybe eight girls at VV only one was really tempting.

Larissa, who I always went with, has left.

I am thinking of going to Villa Venus for the first time. But I really don't want AO action, perhaps only uncovered oral as I love to come in mouth. I want to go because I read the lineup is quite good (similar to FKK) and the price cheap at 30 a pop. FKK's are obviously more, and partytreff's offer ugly women for the most part.

So is it really wort a visit if you don't want AO action? Are the girls really hot?

I think it is impossible to reach by public transport, car is needed?

It's not too difficult by public transport, depending where you are starting from. Use vrr. De website, which has an English version.

The girls are definitely not hot from an optik point of view (maybe two or three might be), I need a blindfold for most of the ten or so girls. The lineup is in no way comparable to most sauna clubs and FKKs.

The plus points are friendly Thekefrau, and the level of service is excellent. Voracious DFK, couch BBBJ, and, if you want, sometimes sex on a couch.

Beware there is now a girl named Mina who may be the hottest but she has some tendency to do 10 or 15 minutes room.

I had good times in VV but as Optimist says, the line up can't compare to the other sauna clubs of NRW. If Ina is still working here, she may be a good candidate, assuming you're not too obsessed about weight (she's got some baby fat, at least she had last year).

It's easy to reach by public transportation but you may have to walk 15 ou 20 minutes.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;1914563]

It's easy to reach by public transportation but you may have to walk 15 ou 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]Thanks, both.

I don't see any train stations nearby on google maps. Looking at VRR. De I guess one would have to take tram to Hamborn Feuerwache, and then walk 2 km. Perhaps I should just rent a car next time.

I asked, but never got answer for a pretty AO girl. Last week end, in other club, I was said about Bulgarian, small fake blond, with amazing tits? Mina ex Aca Gold, at Venus Duisburg. She worked in normal club for 40/30 mn and now in AO?

[QUOTE=Tomrifle;1914592]Thanks, both.

I don't see any train stations nearby on google maps. Looking at VRR. De I guess one would have to take tram to Hamborn Feuerwache, and then walk 2 km. Perhaps I should just rent a car next time.[/QUOTE]Tom,

There is another way, from Duisburg HBF-.

Take STR 903 direction Dinslaken to Landschaftspark dur 12 minutes.

Then Bus 910 direction Meiderich to Max Planck strasse dur 10 minutes.

From there its a 500 meter walk.

I got this from excellent DB Navigator app from the app store that I have been using for years.

Club address -.

Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg.

I hate waiting for buses not knowing when they are going to turn up so I always use the tram and walk from the nearest tram stop. It's a 20 minute walk and I had to walk the distance 4 times once in a day as I had forgotten something at the club.

It was a wash bag and I was surprised when I returned to find that the bag had been handed in to reception. I did a quick check and everything was there, anti-fungal cream, toothpaste, lubricant, even a box of condoms (I carry some ultra thin ones just in case a girl insists on me using them as the ones in the clubs are way too thick). The only thing missing was a tab of 4 Viagra tablets.

This convinced me that maybe I shouldn't bother with them and it was the first and last time I ever carried them around.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1914666]I asked, but never got answer for a pretty AO girl. Last week end, in other club, I was said about Bulgarian, small fake blond, with amazing tits? Mina ex Aca Gold, at Venus Duisburg. She worked in normal club for 40/30 mn and now in AO?[/QUOTE]Mine started at Villa Venus, then moved to Aca Gold where she eventually was asked to leave because she was offering AO for an extra price, then went some other places. And since a few weeks she is back in Villa Venus. Very cute, but crap in the sack.

The Lu at Arabella & grimberg were decent.

Alexandra & Ariana at Arabella.

Antonia & Jasmine at grimberg. A cutie with great tits but bad attitude. Forgot her name. Had the darker gypsy look.

A few were OK, the rest horrendous!

Does anyone know if Verena is still fully nude, is the lineup comparable to Luder Lounge or Neby.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1879673]Open & 7 girls confirmed.[/QUOTE]Is this club still fully nude? Can I ask you how the lineup was? Are the girls okay, I thought the girls at Luder Lounge were way better than expected.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1914666]I asked, but never got answer for a pretty AO girl.[/QUOTE]I have a surprise for you, it is very likely that under your beauties list from your regular clubs you have so far fucked some.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1916042]I have a surprise for you, it is very likely that under your beauties list from your regular clubs you have so far fucked some.[/QUOTE]I'll second that! There's a couple on his lists that I have splashed marinated in.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1916035]Is this club still fully nude? Can I ask you how the lineup was? Are the girls okay, I thought the girls at Luder Lounge were way better than expected.[/QUOTE]Yes it's fully nude & didn't bother visiting recently.

Any recent visits? Sounds like Dea is permanently at Luderland, and she was the main attraction at Annabella before this year.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1916138]Yes it's fully nude & didn't bother visiting recently.[/QUOTE]Went there yesterday. 12 or 13 girls available. Three fuckable: Carla, 20 year old petite Rom cutie who tried to use a condom in the room after she said she was AO during the interview, shorted me a few minutes on the time, and told me she didn't do public bjs because shy was and later gave one to some old German guy; a 19 year-old Rom brunette with thick glasses with whom I had a very good GFE session; and a blonde that wasn't really my type but nice enough.

By the way, Verena, along with Arabella, have solved the problem of nobody paying Euro 70 for an hour when they could do two half hours for Euro 60 by changing the Euro 30 session to 25 minutes and being strict on the time.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1919090]Any recent visits? Sounds like Dea is permanently at Luderland, and she was the main attraction at Annabella before this year.[/QUOTE]I believe it's still closed. Dea wasn't around 2-3 weeks ago.

Arrived 6:45 PM after going to Grimberg. 11-12 girls, two fuckable: Diana, a moderately cute 21-year old Rom brunette girl next door type; short blonde, Hungarian, 25-30 years old, always busy. Euro 25/30 min and Euro 70/60 min.

Discovered on leaving that entry is Euro 15 after 7 PM.

I've done Fun Park, F35 and Grimberg on previous trips and next time I may try Luderland, Verena, Romantika & Arabella. I don't think that I want to add Villa Venus or La Luna to the mix but that might be a mistake? From reports it sounds as if the RTC clubs will all be very similar, obviously Luderland being an FKK will look better. I'm expecting each club to have at least 10 girls some of whom will be attractive enough and that the day of week and time of day will have little consequence.

Do these clubs have the photo's with the girls that list their services? Are there any differences between these clubs? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Downandup;1922482]I'm expecting each club to have at least 10 girls some of whom will be attractive enough[/QUOTE]Don't expect too much, you can also find less than 10 girls.

Boomer10 reports that Anabella in Hennef has reopened yesterday and linked to a report that some of the girls from Luderland have relocated back there:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1924464&viewfull=1#post1924464.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1914733]Tom,

There is another way, from Duisburg HBF-.

Take STR 903 direction Dinslaken to Landschaftspark dur 12 minutes.

Then Bus 910 direction Meiderich to Max Planck strasse dur 10 minutes.

From there its a 500 meter walk.

I got this from excellent DB Navigator app from the app store that I have been using for years.

Club address -.

Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know if you would typically find taxis waiting outside the Oberhausen Rheinl Hbf? It looks like VV would be a short cab ride from there, and that would be most convenient.

Thanks for any advice!

I visited Luderland and was surprised at the facilities. It was previously a saunaclub so it has a decent outside garden and plenty of space. 30 euro entry but no food to speak of. About 10 girls, of whom 30% were slim. The girls tended to be glued to their sofas whilst carrying on conversations with each other, ignoring the white bears on their respective sofas. As I like to have the girls show some interest in getting my money I left without going to a room, even though it was only 30 euros for 25 minutes. Several of the girls were very doable, but the atmosphere didn't suit me. There seemed to be no public action surprisingly.

I liked the music: manele.

Optimist,

I'm going to presume that Luderland has the same ownership as the RTC clubs. They all seem to be no approach clubs and it's up to you to talk with a girl or else they stay on their sofa chatting to their neighbours. My experience from elsewhere is that once you pick a girl, sit down for a little chat you will get a blow job on the couch before you head to the room. Did that happen while you were there or did you see couples leaving for a room?

We might have crossed paths today as Luderland was going to be my final stop on my Germany trip, instead I went to Golden Time. Again.

Yes, same ownership.

I was disappointed to see that the couch blow jobs were very limited time wise.

I'm sure you'll have a good time I just wasn't fired up enough to take a girl, although I did talk briefly to several.

Don't forget that you're paying only 30 €, you can't expect that the girl will suck you for 5 or 10 minutes in the couch.

You can expect her to blow you for 10 minutes on the couch. But then room time will be limited to another 20 minutes.

HB.

Standard session time now is 25 minutes in most places (or an hour for 70), presales can be fairly rushed, but if you ask to stay a bit longer most will probably do so. Just don't go declining the zimmer question too often. In most of these clubs you can also just do the session on th couh itself.

BTW, if you go to the room, that's when the time starts.

Impressed with the days spent at the FKKs (Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan) but my true love is AO clubs (and the only place I can have sex).

After a few days at Dietzenbach (will report on that club once I've left) - headed north to NRW.

Grimberg.

Was as good as ever. Nice mix of mostly 6's, maybe one 7. It's the 'you get to shag the girl-next-door' type of club for me. Most pretty in their own way and all had really good service and attitude. Hell. They all are beautiful compared to how I must look to them! Doh. Always forget how small this club is, but it sort of works. With the porch chill-out area. Did 4 girls (one girl twice) and will surely be back this trip. Excellent.

Verena.

A few places on the board guys mentioned this was an AO club (unlike it's neighbors. Luderland, Aplerbeck, Neby which I assume are covered) - I made the trek to Verena this afternoon. Another small club with 7 girls available. A few rather good looking. (high 7's). Took Karina who gave me great BB service and is a super fun gal. Would recommend her to anyone who likes to play.

Then made a terrible mistake. Only 2 girls on the couches for almost 30 min, was bored (more than horny) and was checking out Patricia (blonde, skinny, small) - she had a bad vibe (not much positive eye contact, no smiling). But she kept opening up her legs to play with her pussy / add moisturizer etc. So I was getting mixed signals as she would look at me while she was doing it. Maybe she just has a face' I thought. Some girls do.

On the couch she wasn't terribly playful, no kissing, but eager to hit the room. Once in. I licked her pussy for a bit (nice small quim) and asked for a BJ. She demurred as if she didn't like to do it. Then she proved she didn't like to do it by giving a totally lackluster BJ for about 3 min. Asked her to stop (laughed it off) and had her spread on the bed. Then she pulled out a condom. WTF. I was like a vampire at the site of whatever Jesus-Cross sits atop the hill in Rio. She told me it's 'normal' and 'natural' to wear a condom and 'all the girls wear condoms at this club. Am I crazy!' - I was like. Let's just end it. She freaked out. Terrible stinky face, angry, (furious really) as we walked out was yelling at the other girls. I (of course) paid her the full 30 e regardless. Because I didn't ask up front, and because hell. She saw me naked. That's worth 30 e alone to live with that. She didn't calm down and acted like I was a monster.

Sat around for another grueling 90 min waiting to session with Karina but the two times she was free guys actually jumped up and got her. Was too terrified to try another girl. Didn't want the other ones freaking out too if I asked for AO. I wasn't getting dirty looks (like I did when I inquired about AO in Mainhattan) - but just felt like shit. I remember Patricia saying something about being in a bad mood 'hate men' & 'men talk too much'.

Later before I left I saw her doting on a german guy. And will say this is a smaller club, probably more used to locals. I surely did not get the same level of service the locals did. (unlike Grimberg and others). So Verena is not a full AO club. And avoid Patricia like the plague if she's in a mood. The worst attitude of any girls I've seen in Germany.

One last interesting tidbit. Karina took a condom with her to the bedroom as well, unwrapped it and stretched it out then laid it out in the trash can but never asked or even looked at it during our session. I almost felt like they were putting condoms in trash in case of a raid? It would look like they used them? Or in case of other girls or cleaners? No idea. First time I've ever seen this behavior. There was a huge bowl of condoms at check-in and I watched all the girls grab one when headed for session.

Arabella.

Finally hit Arabella tonight. First time to this club. Another great small venue. Maybe as large as Grimberg but laid out differently. Had a great time with all the girls, and the guys that showed up seemed to be a good group as well. Only took 2 girls but one of them twice. Unfortunately forgot her name. Adda or something? Tall. Thin, and in my book a solid beauty, model quality. I mean I was fucking in love with her. Just such a beautiful gazelle. I believe she said she came from Grim. This so far is my fave AO club with the exception of Dietz.

Everyone was nice and a good vibe, even the manager. No bullshit, very friendly. The other girl I took was equally enthusiastic and kept trying to get me to fuck her harder.

Germany is a great country. And the guys have built a fantastic scene here. Not sure if others tip. But I didn't, I've seen what overspending does to attitudes in the East. Just grateful it's here to have some fun in.

Last week I visited nearly all RTCs plus M-Exclusive in Dulmen. If I recall well, I saw 8 girls in Luderland, 8 in Grimberg, 9-11 in Verena, 9 in Venus, 9 in Dulmen, 5-6 in Romantika, for F39 I posted in its thread. These were the girls counted on the spot, I might be wrong of 1-2 units, given that not all of them have photos, but since I care only about the fuckable ones, I didn't bother checking everyone properly. I know some 8 girls were also in Arabella and 6 in Hennef. It is not summertime nor Christmas, it would be interesting to know where they are all gone, and I even met a few new faces, specially in Dortmund and Leverkusen.

Normal entrance price in every RTC was 30 euros, no prepaid room in advance. Only exceptions were Leverkusen, changing very often happy hour, I think it was after 7 pm, and Romantika, whose happy hour was 10-15 and 17-closing time (yes, you read right, no mistype), 10 euros both clubs. Ads on Bild: for Verena you need to come with a copy from Munsterland, but your plate number must be from 6 selected places (so we fucking foreigners are totally cut out from any possible benefit).

Romantika is the only place where girls don't have personal room and can choose with customers where to go. Also, it is the only club, with Grimberg, where rooms last 30 minutes instead of 25.

In general, I had the impression of business going down for girls and clubs. I remember also in the past some girls saying it is normal that towards the end of the month they have less work because people finish the money (30 euros? Is it Germany or Bangladesh?). But I was there until 2 days ago and I didn't fight for a free couch, once I was even asked to leave by the girls at 9,45 pm since I was the last customer.

Some more will follow.

I visited grimberg only once. The most remarkable thing is that it is the club where you can get more food, even the soup is always edible, often even good, and if you dare (but it can be done without too much effort) to eat the sandwiches, fruits and biscuits, you can tell yourself you have nearly had a real meal without feeling a liar.

For the rest, there were 2 changes in the furniture:

1) Dana (from Verena and F39). The rest: Micky, Katy, Magda, Eva, Jasmine, Amira and Lily, who got inflated like a balloon everywhere, from the face to the ass, from the legs to the arms, really not a nice sight. On the following day Valentina came back to the club and it seems another new girl joined as well.

2) Downstairs some 4-5 more rooms have been built in battery chicken style, actually they are beds surrounded by some pretend-to-be walls which if I recall well don't reach the ceiling, you can hear and understand a whisper in japanese. I didn't dare to go too close because I felt like suffocating at the only sight.

All in all, for me it works as taking a "day off" to rest.

A german guy rang me in early morning and offered to come to pick me up at my accommodation to go there. It really wasn't my intention, also because he wouldn't switch clubs for any reason once he enters somewhere and I had planned with another deutsche mann to meet up in Buldern, following his insistences. I was sure I wouldn't stay long in Duisburg and that also M-Ex would have been a failure, so I thought that it could have been the day dedicated to experiments and failures, or sort of rest like Grimberg a few days before, also better to burn the 2 in one shot and spare a day for better options. The "betrayed" guy said I could have a look, if it was (unexpectedly) ok he would willingly join us, otherwise he would pick me up and we'd go to M-Ex. We even added F39 to the menu of the day to make sure it would have been a great day.
Even customers are a little community knowing each other in these small clubs. But for the foreigners, specially if not speaking german, this is a problem. As Elephant beer observed, he got a different treatment. Thekes normally don't give a fuck about foreigners, nearly all of them can't speak english and make no efforts, and girls know they can take advantage of this. If you think that the owner openly claims that he doesn't give a fuck about any foreigner going to his clubs no matter how often, because in that area he has some 10 millions inhabitants and he would be happy to get even only a very little portion of them, you understand how hopeless our expectations or complaints can be. He likes to say this also to german speaking dutch customers driving 3-4 times a week from over the border and telling him that they write good posts about his clubs in dutch forum!

About the club, Barbara theke can cook something (basic) for you on request, I think even for free. On duty dinosaurs (physically and because they are there since ages): Bahar, big boobs Michaela, Melly, Dana, Maria, Ina (got slimmer), plus Angelina, 2 new faces not too attractive and bulgarian Marianna, unquestionably the most beautiful of the club and not only in Duisburg. Her only physical defect are the small boobs, but unfortunately we argued long time ago because I couldn't convince her anymore to pull out the tissues, tampons, cigarettes, keys, etc. which she uses to fill her pussy also without having menses. I struggled to make a room with poor Eli, chosen because she opened the door smiling and my friend convinced me that I could try her, also because she was the one less away from my parameters, and I didn't want to walk out undone after paying 30 eintritt. Bulgarian, no common languages, she smiled and said yes to everything, anal included.

She couldn't find the room upstairs, and I even had to tell her to put the key outside the door, because we wouldn't need it on the bed. Dana had met us while walking upstairs and started laughing at me, asking if I had seen how my new honey blew and if I was ready for a great experience. I can't describe her blowing (it is not the right word anyway), we struggled a lot to put my dick in her pussy, but it entered effortlessly in her ass, with just a nearly unneeded little spit. I checked for undesired chocolate surprises, nothing, but shortly after I realized from distance that a bad smell was coming out, so I pulled out. She took it in her mouth, then back in her pussy I managed to bring the embarrassing agony to an end. I hope I will not be taken to court for abusing an uncapable-of-understanding-and-willing poor girl. Jokes apart, she did all she could to please me, I guess that if I had asked to stick inside the key of the room she wouldn't have declined, maybe she had just started the job.

P.S. I just realized I listed 10 girls, so my former rough count of 2 posts ago was wrong. More will follow

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1946501] but it entered effortlessly in her ass, with just a nearly unneeded little spit. I checked for undesired chocolate surprises, nothing, but shortly after I realized from distance that a bad smell was coming out, so I pulled out. She took it in her mouth, then back in her pussy[/QUOTE]From ass to mouth, epic PSE. Lucky guy LOL!

So, after the expected shitty room in Venus, it was time to get even worse ones in Dulmen. Entrance 2,99. Then 1 x 40, 2 x 70, 3 x 90, 4 x 100, sessions of 20 minutes. When entering I gave a quick look around, while my friend was in the car waiting for my opinion. I saw Alina with her sister on the leash, I think Denisa (or Bambi?), then Madalina (visible on the site, the beautiful face and eyes can make tolerable the imperfections of her body); then ex Maya from Grimberg of autumn 2014 was sitting with a customer, she smiled at me and said we would make rooms. Eventually the inseparable cousin came out, I think she was called Arianna, at least in Arabella in spring 2015. I called my friend to enter.

There was a different theke, younger, not english speaking, for the rest everything was like before, the time never goes ahead in AO clubs: unwatchable sofas covered with unwatchable blankets trying to cover the scratches and holes, actually competing for who got more damages, still the dressing room is not closed by 4 walls, nor is the shower. Entering the rooms makes me think to be more at ease at home in my car with the girl putting one foot on the steering wheel and the other one by the window while I scratch my knees doing the movements. Only a touch of class: this time in the wardrobe no glued chewing gums, instead there was a little box inscrewed for putting your valuables in there. Some 9 girls in there, photos are outside by the entrance and actually list all the girls who have worked there in who knows how long time (some are not there anymore, like Simona now in Verena), so you must choose how many rooms you want to buy without even knowing who is on duty, how she looks like, how many girls there are. Nor you know what the girls offer, it is unbelievable to think that RTCs are better and well organized!
I don't think we customers have ever been more than 6-7 from late afternoon until midnight. The most lovely living being was the cat touring the club. Food pratically nothing, the drinks are bottles kept by the theke's till.

Very remarkable the attitude of the girls, at least the fuckable ones: not minding any customer; not making any eye contact, actually turning their heads; playing with their mobiles; sitting in groups of 3-4 on the couches together so that there wouldn't be room for a customer to join, and anyway he would feel like disturbing; disappearing or running around the place; staying "busy" lot of time eating or dealing with the towels and whatever else could make them avoid the risk to be available to a customer. Anyway, when got caught in an ambush, they were likely (and happy) to refuse.

I won't enter further in woeful details, but I would like to mention Tina: rated fuckable at further examinations and being available, she looked even cheerful and smiling. In the room she blew me a bit, then she couldn't manage to stick my dick inside of her when staying on top, I tried to "help" but we couldn't insert. I went on top but she wasn't opening the legs enough for me to approach and penetrate the bunker. I tried spoon but again the safe was either untraceable or impenetrable. From beside we wouldn't find the coordinates for the coupling, it is easier for shuttles in the space. The attempts were all lasting like one minute o'clock, and after a few failures my dick would unexplicably die of impatience and anger. She would blow him it woefully back to life and the process would start again. Luckily the sessions last less in Dulmen, I couldn't fuck her (apart a few seconds a few millimetres while on top) but I kept her some 18 minutes in the room, 28 would have been a hell!

Going later to F39 and not unloading inspite of the real efforts and passion of my 30-minutes-partner really made me feel that the mission to build up a day to forget was fully accomplished!

Since the reopening of the club in Hennef, there have been less girls but at least new faces. Seline, Sara, the about 47 years old Maya, Anita plus another 2 have been sent to Annabella, where there were no another girls, at least last week. Dea managed to get transferred to F39 (but was already on holiday), Julia lost in space, Sandra is in Romantika and other minor ones... no interest no updates.

The only known one on duty was Sofia (ex Verena, M-Ex, F39, etc.), Leyla was off. I made 2 rooms with her after trying Lori, a "no-this-no-that" corpse who was the only other fuckable one, according to my tastes.

Pratically no food, just candies, kind english speaking theke, happy hour continuously changing, 30 euros per 25 minutes and 70 for 1 hour. Like in Grimberg, some "rooms", actually boxes not even sealed, have been made in the abandoned area which was the restaurant when the club was Globe.

Latest updates in other forums say that new good girls have joined.

I already described the price structure and how it works. I went there to take advantage of the entrance price.. and to go after a beautiful girl who had involuntarily damaged my dick the day before. She had been sent to Recklinghausen for a couple of days to strengthen the local line up. Since we had a good mutual sympathy, I wouldn't have had to worry about making experiments, giving explainations, making deals or arguments with another girl in case of impossibility to perform. Luckily I could make rooms, and even more than I expected.

The theke is not anymore the turkish whale, now there is a non-english-speaking hungarian lady in her 50's who, if sitting on the sofas, would be the sexiest of the women in there.

Resident women:

Cristina, 47 years old, slim, started the job 5 months ago. She is a lovely person, but I cannot pay her for sex;

Anka, the ozone hole and its aftermaths must have changed the gulf stream or tilted her radar, so this poor whale keeps beaching around NRW AO clubs;

Sandra, coming from Luderland, maybe could be considered fuckable (in Romantika) even if a bit wider, specially by ass and hips. Seen many times, but never exchanged a single word and I still don't know whether she has teeth or not, since I don't recall having ever seen a single smile;

Monica, when I heard she was there I thought she was the resident bulgarian whale, instead she was Alexa in winter in Arabella, is slim and therefore theoretically fuckable but has one of the saddest facial expressions I have ever seen. Some people even say she's good in the room, perhaps she's just shy. I am nearly sure I gave her a chance in Wattenscheid, but I am glad I still doubt. In both cases, no chance.

Marie, caught on her first day of work. Not really slim but proportionate. Gypsy, declares 19 years, visible signs of a past pregnancy, she has a fresh pretty face, I had to take her and it was a good experience.

Food were rolls and some cakes suffering from the heat, apart from the patented plastic fruits. Without more and attractive girls, the club has nearly no chances to be visited.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1946501]About the club, Barbara theke can cook something (basic) for you on request, I think even for free. On duty dinosaurs (physically and because they are there since ages): Bahar, big boobs Michaela, Melly, Dana, Maria, Ina (got slimmer), plus Angelina, 2 new faces not too attractive and bulgarian Marianna, unquestionably the most beautiful of the club and not only in Duisburg. [/QUOTE]Are we talking about the same theke here? Barbara the wrinkly, miserable and highly irritable old goat who is nearly always lurking behind the desk? You mentioned the term on duty dinosaur but then did not correctly assign it to the right personnel.

Once when I visited there was a younger, pleasant and friendly woman behind the desk whose name I didn't take but since then always the old sourpuss.

My imagination does not stretch to the vision of a smiling Babs in apron and chef's hat happily rustling up a tasty three course meal to the customer's exact specification. Also for free? She won't even phone you a taxi for free. Whenever I asked she said that she would prepared to give me a number but I would have to phone myself (even though I don't speak German and don't have a German mobile phone). The women there don't seem to mind her but then they have had years to get used to her miserable manners.

Once she shouted angrily at me because I didn't seem to immediately understand something she said in German. All the girls heard the outburst and looked embarrassed for me. Then one girl had to step forward to explain while old Babs muttered to herself behind the desk giving me looks as though people I was making her life intolerable. How much better her life would be if she didn't have the hassle of bothering with those bloody foreigners.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1947154]Are we talking about the same theke here? Barbara the wrinkly, miserable and highly irritable old goat who is nearly always lurking behind the desk? You mentioned the term on duty dinosaur but then did not correctly assign it to the right personnel.

Once when I visited there was a younger, pleasant and friendly woman behind the desk whose name I didn't take but since then always the old sourpuss.

My imagination does not stretch to the vision of a smiling Babs in apron and chef's hat happily rustling up a tasty three course meal to the customer's exact specification. Also for free? She won't even phone you a taxi for free. Whenever I asked she said that she would prepared to give me a number but I would have to phone myself (even though I don't speak German and don't have a German mobile phone). The women there don't seem to mind her but then they have had years to get used to her miserable manners.

Once she shouted angrily at me because I didn't seem to immediately understand something she said in German. All the girls heard the outburst and looked embarrassed for me. Then one girl had to step forward to explain while old Babs muttered to herself behind the desk giving me looks as though people I was making her life intolerable. How much better her life would be if she didn't have the hassle of bothering with those bloody foreigners.[/QUOTE]Not sure the last time you've been to Venus, but Barbara has been cooking meals for the girls for about a year. Not sure what she charges the girls. I have asked her to make a plate for me & I offer to pay & every time she refuses. She def rules with an iron fist but she's always been nice to me. I've known her since her days at Arabella & always cordial. I guess it just depends on the situation, but the "hassle of dealing with those bloody foreigners" doesn't really fly. I'm as "bloody foreigner" as it gets & I've visited with other non Germans & zero issues.

According new German laws AO becomes illegal in Germany effective July 17th. BBBJ will be out of law as well. What will happen with AO cubs then?

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1947285]According new German laws AO becomes illegal in Germany effective July 17th. BBBJ will be out of law as well. What will happen with AO cubs then?[/QUOTE]After July 1st, the clubs won't be able to advertise AO, unless something with the law changes before then.

Myrrh,

What Vito says is correct, at least out of my experience. As far as I know she even does it for free also for the girls, but I'm not 100% sure about if and when she might ask money to someone. Of course it is not a 3 course meal, it's just something quite fast and simple, like eggs or some fried meat.
What we must always bear in mind is that in clubs like in life we are not always receiving the same treatment of somebody else from any given person. For instance, police might halt me and fine me but let you go for the same thing, and there could be plenty of reasons for that.
I am a fucking foreigner uncapable of communicating with Barbara, but she tries to treat me as good as she can. It could be a matter of sympathy, beauty, the fact of knowing that I know plenty of germans going there, who knows, maybe physical attraction (LOL!), while maybe in your case she doesn't find anything to stop her discrimination or antipathy.
When I entered in Romantika and said I couldn't understand german when asked something by the new theke, she spoke at me still in german quite badly and arrogantly. Then she observed that all the few customers in there knew me, and she totally changed to the point of kissing me when I left. (I was nearly hoping to lay her on the following visit, unfortunately it didn't happen and I had to manage with the rest of the staff).

The younger pleasant woman you met only once was more beautiful than all the girls you saw? She was her daughter! If you ask (and get) her hand, probably you have sorted out the most of your problems ahahahah

P.S. I will soon post about Verena. I take the occasion of writing this not-useful-post to thank those who contacted me also in private to thank and compliment for my posts. I don't want to be put in "reports of distinction", but I wish in this thread I could read posts (which happens too rarely), possibly containing even a small percentage of the content that I write.

More than half of my trip was spent with verena's girls. A bunch of new 19 years old girls invaded it, all fuckable really effortlessly, without needing too much fantasy or holding back the hands keeping the eyes closed, no need to concentrate only on the pussy rubbing, all fully or nearly fully enjoyed rooms. For a laughter, since it should be normal, I would add that all of them (apart from one) had perfect and white teeth, a pleasure to heartily kiss them. Every time I was going back thinking to repeat the girls of the previous day (s), and nearly every time I would see at least a new face worth a try and would be in trouble with the choice, girls' days off could give a little help. I would have liked to go to Dortmund every day but of course I couldn't do that, so I was trying to go to the other useless clubs just to put a break in between, also to rest, and every time I was regretting it and looking forward to that day going by quickly and to going to Dortmund on the following one.

I mention a few girls:

Sybell was the less fuckable among the ones I had, but her fresh pretty face, her smile, her sweetness compensated abundantly the gap with the other girls. She's a gypsy 19 years old mother, short, a little bit of belly, but worth more than one room, it was like making love at college times;

Patricia, declares 23, on holiday since last week, always looking upset, never minding customers, no eye contact, no smiles, but fairly pretty, slim, with perfect proportions, no soft areas in her body, short blonde worth more than one room. You can't joke with her, she gets upset immediately, but in the room she does all she has to do more than properly and can be quite a good session;

Denisa, 19, same attitude, behavior and character of Patricia, she's slim, tall, weak point is the face, she says she can occasionally give her ass too, not a great room but no complaints about her; worth noticing that both of them wouldn't stay alone on the couch for more than 5 minutes in spite of their unfriendly behavior;

Diana, 19, the only one without perfect teeth (but still perfectly white), tall, slim, gypsy mom with small slightly hanging boobs spoiling an otherwise perfect body, in bed nothing extraordinary but totally-hassle-free room;

Tina, 19, perfectly slim and proportionate with a very small bum, many pimples disturbing a pretty face, not a great fuck but in the overall surely worth zimmering more than once, she said she gives her ass only with condom;

I don't complete the list hoping that someone else will do it.

I would add a mention of honor to the kindness, intelligence and sympathy of Deea, who receives great posts in other forums. Unfortunately she is unfuckable for me, but she greatly entertained me a lot during "breaks" without ever minding the fact that I was zimmering nearly whomever but her. She said, to my embarrassment, that she understood I like slim girls and that it wouldn't matter to her, we could just enjoy our time chatting and joking. Compliments! (to all)

20 mins of massage, Amazing BBJ. Perfect action, warmth, suction, movement, to die for.

Left happy.

About 20 min walk from DB Wattenschied, easy enough though.

Welcome back! Always enjoy reading your trip reports!

[QUOTE=Stim702;1947778]20 mins of massage, Amazing BBJ. Perfect action, warmth, suction, movement, to die for.

Left happy.

About 20 min walk from DB Wattenschied, easy enough though.[/QUOTE]From DB.

Hauptbahnhof, Bochum dep 09:42 STR 302 Straenbahn Direction: Buer Rathaus, Gelsenkirchen.

Rathaus, Bochum dep 09:43.

Bochumer Verein / Jahrhunderthalle, Bochum dep 09:45.

J. -Mayer-Str. / Jahrhunderthalle, Bochum dep 09:46.

Wattenscheider Str. , Bochum dep 09:48.

Westpark, Bochum dep 09:49.

Goldhammer Str. , Bochum dep 09:50.

Elbinger Str. , Bochum dep 09:53.

Alte Heide, Bochum dep 09:54.

Centrumplatz, Bochum dep 09:55.

Vietingstr. , Bochum dep 09:57.

Querstr. , Bochum dep 09:58.

Wattenscheid Post, Bochum dep 09:59.

August-Bebel-Platz, Bochum dep 10:01.

Freiheitstr. , Bochum dep 10:03.

Lohrheidestr. , Bochum arr 10:04.

Google maps shows 6 min from Lohrheide light rail station to Lohrheidestrasse 63.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1946884]Dea managed to get transferred to F39 (but was already on holiday)[/QUOTE]Any word what her new name would be in Freude 39, since there's already a Deea there (super thin blonde)?

From September 17th to October 01, I had a two week trip to Germany. I know prices change at the drop of a hat (as I witnessed in Freude 39) but here's everything according to what I've experienced-.

September 17 - Arabella at 4:00 pm. 10 girls.

Entry - 30€. Had Sonia, Carmen, Alexandria, Moni, and Adriana.

I was tired from the flight so I wasn't at my best. I promised the theke that I'll return the next week!

September 18 - Grimberg at 11:00 am.

Entry- 30€. 10 girls.

Had Eva, Amira, Alexa, Jasmine, and Dana.

No Kathi and I spent most of my time outside explaining Trump and Hillary to a Danish and a Swiss! We also discussed the mass immigration (and later, deportation) of Syrian (and North African) refugees as well as how the European governments seem to block out the bad news (like the mass sexual assaults on New Years' Eve) and how the only time the government tells the truth (or part of it) is when someone manages to make a YouTube video on what happened!

I guess being Sunday, there wasn't many girls, so I did less than usual. I decided to end the day with Jasmine again!

September 19 - Freude 39 at 4:00 pm (they open at 3:00 pm!

Entry - 15€.

40€ uncovered and 30€ covered for 20 minutes. 20 girls.

Had Bonnie, Alina, Mea, Brianna, and Johanna.

Alina seems to go everywhere! Last year, she was in Romantika, then Arabella, then went to Dietzenbach (for a few months), and now is in Freude 39! I guess I always pick her because she reminds me of an old girlfriend who used to ride a motorcycle to places.

September 20 - Villa Verena and M-Exclusiv.

Villa Verena at 11:00 am.

Entry - 30€.

Had Denisa. My brother had Patricia. Only 7 girls, 5 were whales.

Warning! Denisa will only do you without condom if you're muscular and / or she likes you! Her service was okay. With my friend (who agreed to meet me there that day), she pretended not to know English and German too well and did him covered. The rest of the girls (except Patricia) were fat so I left the club rather unsatisfied! My brother had Patricia (covered). Service was okay.

At 12:00 pm, I felt like it was a wasted day if I didn't have any more sex so I decided to check out M-Exclusiv, Buldern, after lunch!

M-Exclusiv, Buldern at 3:00 pm (lunch wasn't that long, but I was merely sight seeing!

Entry - 2. 99€ 1 x 40,2 x 70,3 x 90,4 x 100.

I took the 4 girl special at 100€! About 10 girls.

Had Zatalina, Denissa, Lara, and Madelina. My brother had Corina, Sonja (high pressure sell tactics), Lara, and Alexandra.

All was well with the first two girls but then chubby Simona jumped on the couch and landed on my erect penis which, then, caused me to get soft like a wet noodle for the rest of the night!

When I had Lara, it was still soft and hurt from fat Simona so I just licked her pussy (Lara, not Simona! With Alexandra, I felt a little better but not hard enough to have a good time!

You can say that Simona ruined my day! Too pushy and tries to force herself on people! The front of my hips and my penis hurt from that fat girl jumping on top of it!

September 21- Luderland at 2:00 pm.

Entry - 15€. About 8 girls.

Had Maja (Maya), Laila, and Shakira.

Feeling better but the choices were mediocre.

September 22 - Annabella's at 1:00 pm.

Entry 10€. Only 5 girls. Diana was the only one doable!

Had Diana at 30€ twice.

I think I got an angry stare from one of the fat girls when I did Diana (again) after my brother finished with her. The place looks the same despite being closed for a while!

September 23 - Bernd's at 1:00 pm.

Entry 70€ (usual admissions). About 10 girls.

Had Mina, Maria (x2) AO, and Carmen.

It was their Oktoberfest theme but no free customer couch action, as advertised (both upstairs or downstairs), so it was just a plain day there. There were new girls like the dark skinned beauty, Vanessa, but she was always busy. Mina has an allergic reaction to the birth control medicine so she doesn't do AO right now. Maria, I did AO twice (100€ x 2) because I can't resist those lovely tits!

September 24 - Dietzenbach at 11:00 am.

Entry 40€. 19 girls.

Had Anais, Dani, Dona (or Dana), Katja, and Anna.

Anais didn't seem like she was in a happy mood. She was filling out some form with Dana helping her. I never noticed her lazy right eye before (similar to Nadja from Freude 39). Wasn't that much of a distraction but she had a bruise on her right shoulder. Anna was happy to see me and always a good session. Katja was also good. She's Gabbi from Freude 39 but she recognized me. I came but she kept squeezing more out. Everything was good but then I had Dani afterwards. I guess I used up my cum previously and needed to replenish. I made a mistake sitting next to Dani because once we did the couch action, I had a long, wet noodle that couldn't get hard. She then says, "Kaput!" and everyone saw. I guess I called it a day! The theke asked if I was okay and I said, "I was driving for a few hours anyway so I'm not at my best. ".

September 25 - Dietzenbach at 11:00 am.

Entry 40€. About 18 girls.

Had Anais, Elena, Selena, Anna, Alice, Andrea, Dani, Dona (or Dana), Susi, and Karina.

Feeling much better after a good night's sleep! Started with Anais first! Everything was well but then she trips and almost falls down the stairs! I picked her up and made sure she was okay. She was a little sore in the back and legs from the fall so I was a little concerned! I massaged her on the couch and actually got rid of that bruise on her shoulder (which now became a little light pink mark). I couldn't get rid of her new bruise on her lower back (which was really black and blue)! I did the best I could and admit, I was aroused giving her a full nude massage. She did make me cum but didn't charge me saying, "Thank you for the massage!" She continued to work for the whole day, which made me feel better.

I guess the time spent on Anais, I wasn't able to do 12 girls in one day but that's okay. Elena, Anna, and Karina were all great. I decided to do the "covered" girls, Alice and Andrea. Alice was asking me why I don't come to her anymore. I think I used the line, "You're so beautiful, I don't want to screw things up!" even though I really should have said, "Because you're covered now!" Anyway, she said that she's covered because the (birth control) medicine doesn't make her feel well. I guess that might be true with her. That's not a unique thing because porn stars, like Marie McCray, have an allergic reaction to some birth control medication which side effect is stomach aches and vagina bleeding. So I had covered sex with her and she's still good. After the session, I was sitting on the couch with her and told her to tell Andrea to say, "I am a Maverick!" (Sarah Palin reference) Andrea repeated the words (a little broken English) and so I went in the room with Andrea. I was satisfied with her service.

I did Dana after dinner which was actually leftover Pizza that the girls didn't eat (ham and pineapple on the pizza) and, of course, the usual long sausages with mustard and chocolate cake!

So I figured out my problem with Dani (not Dona (Dana)), and it's that I can't get past the fact that she looks like Mr. Spock to me! The only way I have a good session with her is if I have a threesome with the other girl looking pretty! Dani apologized for the other day and I suggested we have Anais (like I had them both a few months back) but Dani and Anais didn't seem to be getting along so we had Selena instead. I came in Dani while Selena was on my face!

I had Sussi next, which was a nice experience. I remember her from Arabella. We talked afterwards about travels. She has a place in Essen but has to go where the job takes her. I guess that's why I didn't see her the day before but she's been in Dietzenbach during my last trip a few months back.

Anais looked tired and wanted another massage. I did everything I could to make that bruise she got in the morning disappear but now it's a little lighter after my massage. I was aroused again by her moans as I pushed and rubbed all the knots from her muscles. I also did a vaginal massage while I was near her lower body. Afterwards, she gave me a kiss and left for the day!

The problem was, I was erect and ready to go again but the bell was rung! I didn't want to end the day with blue balls so I just grabbed the first girl I saw, which was Dana! After various positions, including doggie, I erupted with her on top!

A good day!

September 26 - Luderland at 7:00 pm.

Entry 15€. 8 girls.

Had Ada, Lori, and Roxanna.

Today was supposed to be "Cock rest" day! I'm supposed to have a day off from sex just to drive from Dietzenbach to back North. I saw the other side of the highway have some people in silver hazmat suits and a large white tent. Looks bad with people stuck waiting for them to finish (most got out of their cars)! I went to Müllers to buy the Star Trek (2009 version) movie Enterprise model kit for 39€ because they don't sell it in the United States (I sold it for $60 to some desperate soul at New York Comic Con but that's another story)! I think after buying German Playboy (Oktoberfest Edition), I felt I need to go have sex! Unfortunately, rush hour traffic was a 2 hour nightmare!

When I got to Luderland, it was dark outside. I noticed Roxanna right away. Pretty face but her body is a bit on the flabby side. When I went with her, I focused on her face. Then I went with Ada (not the same Aida I was hoping for that I met in Arabella) who had a fresh Butterfly neck tattoo (hence, no touching the back of her neck). Good session.

Then I did Lori because she was right next to Roxanna and Ada (and I was avoiding the fat girls). Good session.

I did Roxanna again when she was able to do a split on the floor. I think the fat girls looked a bit angry. I left feeling satisfied!

September 27 - Romantika.

Entry - 10€. 5 girls.

Had Sandra and Monika.

Of the five girls, only Sandra and Monika looked doable! Good service. I was satisfied.

My brother had a problem though. Some old German guy took Monika after I had her and the old guy was farting like mad! Then the old guy finished, one and done! Monika didn't come back down until an hour later, smelling like ass!

My brother had a not so pleasant session with Monika hurting near the vagina. My brother didn't cum (probably because of her hurting and her smelling of ass).

The next morning, my brother had Urinary Tract Infection! I gave him antibiotics and told him to drink plenty of water and sit out the rest of the trip! He probably should have peed directly after his sessions yesterday!

September 28 - Grimberg at 11:00 am.

Entry - 30€. About 18 (or 19 if Kathi would stop putting up and taking down her picture!) girls.

Had Lily, Amira, Alexa, and Jasmine.

Kathi looked bad. I mean her hair was up like Mom (from Mom's Friendly Robot Company in the cartoon, Futurama) and she was in a bad mood for the whole day! I tried to overlook that and sat next to her and she pushed me away saying, "Get away from me!

I asked the theke what's wrong and she said Kathi was on her period. I think later on in the day, Kathi told the theke, "I'm finished!" and continued to work for the rest of the day but I was afraid of her!

I decided that Kathi is no longer my favorite girl in Grimberg (unless she apologizes to me) and will be seeing Jasmine instead from now on! Fun session with Jasmine. For Lily, I just imagine her back when she was skinny by just focusing on her body from the chest up! I don't know how she put on all that weight on her hips and thighs but I hope it's not permanent! I had fun with Amira but I took Alexa twice!

September 29 - Grimberg at 10:30 am.

Entry - 30€. 18 girls.

Had Lily, Amira, Jasmine, Emilia, and Dana.

My brother is still sitting it out! He decided to go to Essen to walk around while I'm at Grimberg! He did tell me that there were several Mid Eastern men outside near the Eros Center there asking for money. He also saw one take a shit on the sidewalk! He went to the indoor shopping center and even a Forbidden Planet-type store called Nemo's.

Kathi was there but still looks like she's in a bad mood. I'm officially scared of her! I took Lily instead (yes, focusing on her upper part of the body while having sex). No Alexa today. What a shame! Had Jasmine and then Amira. After that I had Amira (again, because she was playing with her pussy) and then Dana. No complaints except I didn't cum with Dana after my second session with Amira (who all sucked my cum out of me)! They looked like they were going to yell at each other so I just walked over and told Dana that I still had a good time with her anyway! The last girl I had was Emilia. Good session!

September 30 - Arabella.

Entry 30€. 12 girls.

Had Annastasia, Arianna, Alexandra, Sabrina, Sonja, Moni, Carmen, and Andrea.

My poor brother felt better (with a steady [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] stream) but he still chose to sit it out! At least things are back to normal with him but the antibiotics caused him to fart a lot (before)!

I started with the two hottest girls in the place, Alexandra and Arianna. Then I noticed Moni and Sabrina was laughing at something on their iPhone. Apparently someone from Grimberg told them that I was there yesterday! I just shrugged it off but Moni seemed to be a little more aggressive in the room (wilder sex)! After that, I had Sonja, Annastasia, Carmen, and Andrea. All pretty good! I was going to do another session with Arianna but someone beat me to it! Sabrina tempted me so I went with her.

Sabrina wanted me to come back the next day (October 1) but my plans were to pack up my things and do late night with Freude 39 (since it opens until 4:00 am)!

October 1 - Freude 39 at 4:00 pm.

Entry 30€ at 4:03 pm Saturday.

Had Alina, Bonnie, Emi, Gina, Simona, Deea, Anna, Brianna, Margarina, and Andrea.

I spent the whole morning and afternoon getting my stuff together. I took my brother to REAL and then to XIAO Asian Buffet Restaurant. I was packed and ready to go!

The entry fee changed to 30€ but then changed to 10€ after 11:00 pm. I guess they're trying new things again! I didn't really care. 10€, 20€. I was ready to stay until closing!

Bonnie keeps coming up to me whenever I'm relaxing in the Kino. Of course, I went with Alina again! Then I had the other girls but decided to do their Deea (the very skinny Blonde). Nice girl!

I did find Andrea and Simona a little tight for my penis and so I was afraid of switching positions in fear of having to squeeze my penis through their tight holes again. So I just picked them up and moved them to the next position myself!

My brother got himself tested thoroughly and NO STDs! No more Urinary Tract Infection so he's doing fine! I had a wonderful time (and so did my brother. Except for the last 4 days) and I plan on going again in the Spring time!

So Freude is still AO? And Bernds also for Bulgarian brunette Maria and certainly many others, why so many guys like to fuck her. Bernds entry is 70 now?

I m not afraid of girls in brothels or in life, not afraid of HA, nor foreigners, not afraid of my shadow, more afraid of diseases.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1949233]So Freude is still AO? And Bernds also for Bulgarian brunette Maria and certainly many others, why so many guys like to fuck her. Bernds entry is 70 now?

I m not afraid of girls in brothels or in life, not afraid of HA, nor foreigners, not afraid of my shadow, more afraid of diseases.[/QUOTE]Bernd's has always had a 70€ admissions except for their special days (usually once a month) where it is 50€. I just wanted to see their Oktoberfest celebration since I knew I missed their special day the week before.

Freude 39 and other places have the girls ask, "With condom or no condom?" in German. You could easily choose "With condom" and enjoy anyway. I had a friend come with me on one trip and the places because it's cheaper than the FKKs and you don't have to worry about upselling (like in Palace and Sharks).

There was one time I suffered from Urinary Tract Infection and it was before I knew about AO places. It was a few years ago in Goldentime from a girl who is no longer there (when you're with a group of friends who did some of the same girls you did and some you didn't do, you can narrow down the "suspects" easier, especially if someone else just came down with the same problem).

I paid 50 at Bernds on beginning of January 2015 , on the day after visiting Atmos Hamburg, so of course no attractive girl for my eyes, even Bulgarian, white skin, quite beautiful natural tits, brunette, about 20 yo, Maria was there, but GND face for me, but I understand better what look for with girls, guys who go to Bernds to fuck her. Better to not have anymore rooms with some girls who had risky clients.

About Dea ex luderland, somebody had told me that her name in Bochum would be Andrea, and that some 4 weeks ago there were as many as 3 Andreas in F39. But I cannot confirm personally.

We were in the same day once in luderland and once in Grimberg... Of course any taste and any room can be different, and not all of us can have the same amount of rooms nor of orgasms... So I will not make comments about them... But 18-19 girls in Grimberg... You wouldn't even have enough sofas to accommodate them..

I thought it was a mistype... But you wrote it about 2 consecutive days... I can admit Emilia was there and I didn't count her in my post... and I forgot to mention Ada as a fuckable girl in leverkusen (that day she told me she was in her period, so I didn't take her, while Katy said she wasn't)... But I couldn't miss or forget some 10 other girls...

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1949363]Maria was there, but GND face for me, but I understand better what look for with girls, guys who go to Bernds to fuck her. Better to not have anymore rooms with some girls who had risky clients.[/QUOTE]Just use a condom and everything is fine and if you still have concerns you should stop going FKK Clubs. I know even some of your angels at Oase and at some other clubs they have for sure sex "with risky clients" how you call this. So better for you stop all your P6 activity.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1949589]Just use a condom and everything is fine and if you still have concerns you should stop going FKK Clubs. I know even some of your angels at Oase and at some other clubs they have for sure sex "with risky clients" how you call this. So better for you stop all your P6 activity.[/QUOTE]Just thanks to Wander to confirm guys go to Bernds looking for AO sex, for what else would You pay to fuck girls who are less pretty than many you can meet in the street? Bernds seem a bit like Freude for AO, with average free foods. Then they will look for it, everywhere, so You are right, it was better not to have sex with risky girls anymore. I didn't have so many angels at Oase, my only about 10 rooms was Maria Platinum on July and October 2014, but I'm the only one to decide what I do, that's my full freedom.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1949563]About Dea ex luderland, somebody had told me that her name in Bochum would be Andrea, and that some 4 weeks ago there were as many as 3 Andreas in F39. But I cannot confirm personally.[/QUOTE]Thanks! She was one of my favorites from Annabella and Luderland but I was hoping she was at Luderland, especially on September 21, where the choices weren't so good and the girl I would have gone with, Raissa, just got dressed and left no too long after I arrived and got ready!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1949563]
We were in the same day once in luderland and once in Grimberg... [/QUOTE]I have to admit, I've seen some of the same people in some of the clubs while I went from day to day. It's mostly because I mapped out the distance from the airport to the brothels and then did it according to distance and convenience. It's sort of a "circle" pattern I did with Bernd's being the main point I worked around (September 23) because I knew I would spend the most money there due to the high admissions 70€ price and the typical 50€ per girl (and an extra 50€ to the girls who do AO).

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1949563]
I thought it was a mistype... But you wrote it about 2 consecutive days... I can admit Emilia was there and I didn't count her in my post... and I forgot to mention Ada as a fuckable girl in leverkusen (that day she told me she was in her period, so I didn't take her, while Katy said she wasn't)... But I couldn't miss or forget some 10 other girls...[/QUOTE]Kathi. I'm not too sure about her anymore! She was my favorite girl in Grimberg the very first time I was there (and the second, third, and fourth!) but then she left for a while and came back but was having too many calls from her mother (which made her cry in the middle of one of my sessions). Then, I didn't see her on September 18 but was happy to see her there on September 28. I have to admit, I scheduled the September 28th Grimberg trip with the mathematical probability that she would be there (after talking to a Dutch man who said, "I saw Kathi in Grimberg last Wednesday! When she was moody on September 28 (mostly angry) but didn't say why and pushed me away, I kept my distance away from her. I asked the theke what's wrong and she said Kathi was on her period (probably in defense of her mood swing behavior). I think the final straw in what's making me swear off Kathi is that she told something to her much older friend (the woman with the blonde hair and glasses who's name I forgotten right now because I never sessioned with her) and her older friend went over and told me to "Go home and sleep! This is not hotel! You come here and fuck or leave!" after I was on the couch in the back room (near the entrance) sitting back on the one seat chair after I just finished in a room with Alexa! She was practically yelling at me for no reason and I probably would have left Grimberg permanently if the theke didn't step in and calm her down! I guess out of courtesy and gratitude, I came back the next day and sessioned with much more girls (except Kathi and that older woman).

I think I might have miscalculated 18 to 19 and meant more like 12 to 13! On the display with pictures, you can place 6 (or 7, if you really cram it) per row and there are usually 3 to 4 rows in the smaller places like Grimberg (with the last row usually storing one leftover picture and a couple of empty picture holders). From memory- Kathi, Lily, the chubby Romanian, and the older woman with the glasses are there in one room, then three girls near the bar area (sometimes Jasmine joins the other Romanians in the other room), Eva, Simone, Emilia, and another chubby Romanian were in the main living room, and finally, Amira and Dana were in the last room (near the entrance). So that's 13 girls (I think 14 would be the maximum in a small place like this)!

I guess that's the problem with typing up a *long* report and not being able to go back and edit mistakes! My bad.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1949631]Just thanks to Wander to confirm guys go to Bernds looking for AO sex, for what else would You pay to fuck girls who are less pretty than many you can meet in the street? Bernds seem a bit like Freude for AO, with average free foods. Then they will look for it, everywhere, so You are right, it was better not to have sex with risky girls anymore. I didn't have so many angels at Oase, my only about 10 rooms was Maria Platinum on July and October 2014, but I'm the only one to decide what I do, that's my full freedom.[/QUOTE]Well. The rest are condom sex. Girls like Maria have to really know you (repeat customer) first in order to offer AO. The very first time I had Maria, she was only condom sex (and I had her twice that day).

The food comes catered from Reuter so it isn't that bad. Why people come here is mostly the atmosphere. No pushy girls trying to get you into a room and a friendly environment overall.

I remember my first trip to Bernd's with a group of people (this was almost a decade ago), one man suffered from a flaccid penis. He sat out most of the trip but just paid entry fees just to sit and wait with us. At Bernd's, he explained his problem to the manager and was recommended to one of the girls who made him feel a lot better! He was able to continue the rest of the trip with better confidence than before his visit to Bernd's! They may not all be lookers but at least you feel welcome while you're there!

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;1950885]Well. The rest are condom sex. Girls like Maria have to really know you (repeat customer) first in order to offer AO. The very first time I had Maria, she was only condom sex (and I had her twice that day).

The food comes catered from Reuter so it isn't that bad. Why people come here is mostly the atmosphere. No pushy girls trying to get you into a room and a friendly environment overall.

I remember my first trip to Bernd's with a group of people (this was almost a decade ago), one man suffered from a flaccid penis. He sat out most of the trip but just paid entry fees just to sit and wait with us. At Bernd's, he explained his problem to the manager and was recommended to one of the girls who made him feel a lot better! He was able to continue the rest of the trip with better confidence than before his visit to Bernd's! They may not all be lookers but at least you feel welcome while you're there![/QUOTE]I'm sure many guys go to Maria only because of AO sex provided, because for safe sex, there are prettier girls in clubs with less expensive entry, big Sharks with 100 girls can be for only 45, Acapulco for 30, and better foods at Sharks, or even kebab at Aca.

On my single visit, nearly 2 years ago, because I couldn't die without knowing the famous oldest FKK, Bernds, I only paid 50 for entry and I agree staff and girls were friendly, they didn t understand why I left without any room. After Atmos, it was obvious for me. Not sure better casting than in AO clubs.

Entry fee 19,99 €.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1953779]Entry fee 19,99.[/QUOTE]Back to 30€ entry.

Been in Verena yesterday morning.

30€ entry. 25 min - 30€. 1 HR - 70€.

14 girls, all have pics in a showcase but no service report on the pics.

4/5 nice girls, line up not bad for a RTC.

First room with Alice, lovely and slim 20 yo RO, she don't speak english nor german, only the language of love. DFK on sofa then move in the room, very good BBBJ and ball licking while I fingering her pussy. Good sex in 3 position, finish in doggy.

In the room I asked for anal but nothing, she told me "Denisa anal ok" and when come back in the lounge room she show me who is Denisa.

After same relax I sat with Denisa, I ask for anal and she smile and nod. Some kiss and zimmer.

In the room she gave a great BBBJ-DT and ball licking while I fingering her asshole.

No lube needed for her, some spit and she took all my cock easy up.

Very good performance and I can enjoy her ass in some positions and fingering her pussy.

My mate made also 2 rooms, he was in his first german monger tour so we leave early for try a new club.

Took 302 STR from Bochum HBF to 15 stops later at Lohrheidestrasse. About 25 minutes. Walked left on Lohrheidestr to 63, around 6 minutes. Rang bell and was let in. 30 euro at that time. Money boxes and lockers use same key. Downstairs to lockers and showers. Given towel, no robe. Watched for awhile and later sat with slender Ariana, RO, said she was 23 and 4 months in club. Kissing and caressing on couch but no blow offer there. To room, kissing, blow, and condom to the mission for finish. Hugging and kissing later and I said we could go, maybe 15 minutes. Not good English or German. 30 Euro. She had asked me when first in room how long and said 25 minutes and she seemed to set mobil.

Showered and had a little food and water. Finally asked where the WC was (to left of entry area).

Waited over an hour and was waiting for short haired blond with glasses. Turned out to be Anastasia, mentioned highly on German board. Playboy bunny tattoo among others. Kissing and eventually long blow on couch. To room, some standing up caressing and to bed. Eventually long good blow and to AO mission. After some time wilted and asked for more blow. Best blow yet this trip, not to vigorous with light touch on the boys and a little BLS. Got close several times, asked her to stop using up and down with hand, because it gets to hurt. Took direction well and kept it up until I finished in mouth and she contined for awhile after that. Good session. Speaks English well. Showered and had a bit of cake and left, returning on the 302.

Late thought, I think around 8 cards and all but one with pictures.

[QUOTE=DietCoke;1956728]Took 302 STR from Bochum HBF to 15 stops later at Lohrheidestrasse. About 25 minutes. Walked left on Lohrheidestr to 63, around 6 minutes. Rang bell and was let in. 30 euro at that time. Money boxes and lockers use same key. Downstairs to lockers and showers. Given towel, no robe. Watched for awhile and later sat with slender Ariana, RO, said she was 23 and 4 months in club. Kissing and caressing on couch but no blow offer there. To room, kissing, blow, and condom to the mission for finish. Hugging and kissing later and I said we could go, maybe 15 minutes. Not good English or German. 30 Euro. She had asked me when first in room how long and said 25 minutes and she seemed to set mobil.

Showered and had a little food and water. Finally asked where the WC was (to left of entry area).

Waited over an hour and was waiting for short haired blond with glasses. Turned out to be Anastasia, mentioned highly on German board. Playboy bunny tattoo among others. Kissing and eventually long blow on couch. To room, some standing up caressing and to bed. Eventually long good blow and to AO mission. After some time wilted and asked for more blow. Best blow yet this trip, not to vigorous with light touch on the boys and a little BLS. Got close several times, asked her to stop using up and down with hand, because it gets to hurt. Took direction well and kept it up until I finished in mouth and she contined for awhile after that. Good session. Speaks English well. Showered and had a bit of cake and left, returning on the 302.[/QUOTE]So was the AO session with Anastasia 30€ as well? Or is that more at Arabella?

So I've seen some reviews on the gals and prices and all of that, but what about the club itself? There's no website to see how it is inside. Can someone tell me what it's like? Bar, food, Sauna, jacuzzi or showers? Anyone care to give done details?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1955096]Been in Verena yesterday morning.

30 entry. 25 min - 30. 1 HR - 70.

14 girls, all have pics in a showcase but no service report on the pics.

4/5 nice girls, line up not bad for a RTC.

First room with Alice, lovely and slim 20 yo RO, she don't speak english nor german, only the language of love. DFK on sofa then move in the room, very good BBBJ and ball licking while I fingering her pussy. Good sex in 3 position, finish in doggy.

In the room I asked for anal but nothing, she told me "Denisa anal ok" and when come back in the lounge room she show me who is Denisa..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, what are you looking for by visiting this kind of places, why not focusing on the biggest FKK in which you are getting many choices and possibilities, (sorry I ask this question because my feeling is that you are living in Germany).

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;1956781]So was the AO session with Anastasia 30 as well? Or is that more at Arabella?[/QUOTE]Yep 30 w / AO.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;1956797]So I've seen some reviews on the gals and prices and all of that, but what about the club itself? There's no website to see how it is inside. Can someone tell me what it's like? Bar, food, Sauna, jacuzzi or showers? Anyone care to give done details?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Small club, water tends to stand in shower area. A bit of food I saw. A few half buns with meat, fruit-apples and oranges, some cake slices later in day. Did not use sauna. Jacuzzi, I do not believe is there, but could be corrected. Water, coke, and coffee. Fairly small club showing wear. I think the attraction is extras aren't extra. At least that is what I thought.

[QUOTE=DietCoke;1957076]Small club, water tends to stand in shower area. A bit of food I saw. A few half buns with meat, fruit-apples and oranges, some cake slices later in day. Did not use sauna. Jacuzzi, I do not believe is there, but could be corrected. Water, coke, and coffee. Fairly small club showing wear. I think the attraction is extras aren't extra. At least that is what I thought.[/QUOTE]I think almost all RTC have a sauna (grimber, arabella, verena, venus, romantika have. Luderland I don't remember but I think yes. Never been in Annabella), F39 is more like a realk FKK-spa. No one have jacuzzi.
Food is different, last week I found sandwhich, cookies, fruit, cake and soup at Grimberg. But only fruit at Verena. Self Service machine for water, coke, fanta and sprite plus a big coffeepot.
For me the attraction is the cheap price with extra included, definitely not the club itself.

They all have the primitive cheap postmix plastic coke dispenser. Drinks are usually quite flat. And they all have the same tiny glasses. No whirlpools. Old worn down dark saunas.

HB.

It took me a while, but I finally figured out that RTC stands for Really Tiny Coke.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1957150]It took me a while, but I finally figured out that RTC stands for Really Tiny Coke.[/QUOTE]Oh, it ain't Coke...

Before coming to Germany and planning to stay in Bochum I researched and mapped out a bunch to the area clubs. After visiting Arabelle and Freude 39 I tore up all my printed info and since I use public transport I decided it is much easier to just revisit those 2 places. There are enough ladies to do without the hassle for me to travel to Dortmund or farther afield.

Last week in Grimberg. We arrive at 10:05 because have to leave at 14:30 for the airport. Bad idea, girls looking like zombie and still sleeping on foot, make up and shower.

30 entry and 30 for 30 min. Only 9 girls, again no service on the pics.
Mickey, Katy and Lilly (she gain alot of weight! Are always here. Some nice new girls for me, a very tall (185 cm) Jasmine, blonde Antonia, and another slim girl with a nice body (forgot her name).

First room with Antonia, 19 yo RO. She speak a good english but acted very lazy with a bad social, but I like her body and decide to try. Very light kiss, good BBBJ, bad sex, so better to finish with a BBBJ / CIM.

The mood in club was very low, girls look so lazy and discussed alot among themselfs, they seems angry for something.

Second room with Jasmine, 22 yo RO, she speak english and good social on sofa while Antonia come to talk bad about me in rumanian without any reason, who care?! LOL.
In the room good BBBJ, hard sex in 3 position and finish with BBBJ / CIM.

13 o'clock time to eat some sandwhich, soup and cake.
We both want to fuck the slim girl, but she was always busy. So I sat near Katy, but she was very tired and in a bad mood and told me that is better to no make room today. Well I like the sincerity, I appreciate it.

At the end we decide to leave and don't run for the last room.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1957160]Oh, it ain't Coke...[/QUOTE]Well it actually is Coca-Cola.

HB.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1957055]Thanks for the report, what are you looking for by visiting this kind of places, why not focusing on the biggest FKK in which you are getting many choices and possibilities, (sorry I ask this question because my feeling is that you are living in Germany).[/QUOTE]What looking for? But isn't Verena an AO club?

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1957160]Oh, it ain't Coke...[/QUOTE]Are you implying that RTC means Really Tiny Cock?

This is something Siri would imply.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;1957577]Are you implying that RTC means Really Tiny Cock?

This is something Siri would imply.[/QUOTE]No, I was merely implying my doubts about their quality of their cola. Thankfully HB has cleared up this matter so we can all sleep easy, provided caffeine levels allow.

I read that there is a Larissa here. Does anyone know if it is the same Larissa who worked here early in the year. ? Very very slim pale skin dark haired Romanian.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1960848]I read that there is a Larissa here. Does anyone know if it is the same Larissa who worked here early in the year. ? Very very slim pale skin dark haired Romanian.[/QUOTE]Yes, she is the usual Larissa, the one you like ;-)

I am just back from a short trip. Regarding the discussion about what RTC might mean, I would ask suggestions about what AO might mean. Maybe a mix of the 2, All Stuffed Cunts Clubs, so ASCC, would better describe these museums of "monsters", currently showing, apart from Verena and F39, real unimmaginable collections. Or "EBBP", everything but bare pussies.

I came across so many stuffed pussies that I am now confused and don't recognize a bare vagina when I penetrate it. Luckily I am back at home and I will find out again, "set" what the "real thing" is.

After tampaxes, tissues, wet towelettes like in airplanes and for infants, rinseable reusable sponge absorbents which once I even had to buy for a girl since in clubs are sold at more than double price and these poor girls have no time to go out to buy them (and have no money to pay, not even a debt of 50 euros in cash), while BMWs with boyfriends can be seen out of the club more than one hour before closing time because they "sense" that there are pratically no more customers.. We live in a strange world with strange rules and great wastes.. After all this, now I even found a gauze of those used by doctors to keep bandages.

Months ago I was thinking to make a list of the girls stuffing their cunts, now I think it would be quicker to make a list of those who don't... if I can recognize them.. In this trip, following my "doubts", a girl let me finger her on our second session to show me that there was nothing, but she had taken the stuff away before the session and put back on the following one!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1961144]Yes, she is the usual Larissa, the one you like ;-)[/QUOTE]Hi!

Is it the same Larissa who worked att FKK Dietzenbach a couple of years ago?

BL.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1961158]All Stuffed Cunts Clubs, so ASCC, would better describe these museums of "monsters", currently showing, apart from Verena and F39, real unimmaginable collections. Or "EBBP", everything but bare pussies.

I came across so many stuffed pussies that I am now confused and don't recognize a bare vagina when I penetrate it. Luckily I am back at home and I will find out again, "set" what the "real thing" is.

Months ago I was thinking to make a list of the girls stuffing their cunts, now I think it would be quicker to make a list of those who don't... if I can recognize them.. [/QUOTE]Easygoing,

We feel your pain. You are well renowned for providing these insights. Insights which would have missed other mere mortal mongers. Like the girls reserving rooms for themselves so that they can disappear into them for long periods when they want to rest. So we appreciate your powers of observation.

But I am not really feeling this one to be honest, if you will pardon the pun. I have not noticed rolls of toilet paper sticking to the end of my dick and unraveling from a girls pussy when I withdraw. Nor have I had difficulty fitting my 6+ dick into girls pussies.

But then again you are the guy who famously used to complain if your dick was not massaging the end of your girlfriend's cervix in Arabella during a session. This was before she ended the relationship and went back to Romania two years or so ago. I wonder if you are still in touch? Well it would seem that your 'reach' is further than most guys and so are able to detect even minute amounts of foreign matter in the far reaches of a girl's vagina which shouldn't be there. This would not be a problem for the normal man.

However I agree it is an issue, because for me the turn on from bareback sex is no longer the enhanced feel of skin on skin compared to condoms but the thought at the back of your head that at some point sperm is going to spurt from your dick and soak the reproductive organs of the female that you are banging. But how can it do this if there are man made barriers to capture the little wrigglers.

Is there any club where you have not noticed the girls doing this? Girls like to talk in a club so if one is doing it there then the others are all bound to join in.

This just makes our task that much harder in RTC clubs. So now it is not just a problem about finding a girl who is willing to bareback and who is also willing to let you come inside but now who is also willing not to stuff her pussy with wool.

Is anyone else experiencing this tissue issue?

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1961144]Yes, she is the usual Larissa, the one you like ;-)[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr Encyclopaedia :). Time for a detour to VV.

Myrrh. I have come across the stuffed pussy syndrome with one girl. I asked her what she had inside, she said nothing, but left the room and returned with a penetrable without pain pussy. She had a tight pussy anyway so additional filler was a pain.

Your response to EG was fun. I have learned from experience to believe all he says.

Myrrh,

You like to titillate the few daredevils who dare to post a line in this desolate thread, so I will follow your provocations, at least you put some spice since you cannot post anymore a single field report. The only thing which "can make me famous" here is the fact of posting useful info in a dead thread which I happen to read only when I want to write something, since I know that nearly never I will find something interesting to me.

About stuffed pussies,

We must distinguish those girls who are always filled from those who do fill only when having the menses, and also those who admit or even declare having stuff from those who deny. Now most of girls don't like / allow fingering, which makes me suspicious before hand. And, when I have doubts, I am led to believe girls who come back from girls' bathrooms and tell me laughing "I saw xxx had stuff inside", happened twice this trip, while on previous trip once I pulled out my dick, inserted fingers quickly and pulled out the fucking tissue to the face of the astonished hooker.

Also, it depends on how much stuff, on the position it occupies: in the top of pussy, by the womb, if stuff is small and wet I may not reach or mind, since I am small sized, and I would feel, mind and concentrate basically on the rubbing of the rest of my dick against the real thing, therefore not realizing the intruder.

Since some girls try to lie in spite of knowing me already, I want to make a mention of honor for Ada in Luderland: on first time she saw me she admitted having tampoon due to menses, she let me put the finger and it was just by the entrance, I wonder how a man couldn't realize that.

About my "relationships",

Well I had quite a few, bigger or smaller, anyway I reckon obvious for a mere mortal, specially one used to real corpses in his country, to be overwhelmed by the devastating service that most of these girls used to offer and some still do, even if in my case I always made and I am still making "victims" among prostitutes at home.

I share the following (true!) to make your ass burn more, let's admit to proudly brag about, since I am sure you never did nor ever will: last summer I went with a romanian hooker on a mediterranean cruise, each one paying its own expenses, making free love and sex, in navigation even romantically on our sea-view balcon at the 11th deck of a huge cruise ship :-D

When I have time, I will write a couple of lines about my recent visits. My dear friend, I like to think of you using those bloody wet tissues to soothen your ass after reading the above ahahahah ;-) ;-D

I go to Dietzenbach really seldom, as far as I know the discussed Larissa normally is either in Venus or out of Germany, so I don't think that she is the same girl.

Some unlucky circumstances made me go to Grimberg. Since this board is read by men mostly with white hair if any, I would dare a comparison with football teams like they were until 25 years ago: every supporter knew the line up from 1 to 11, the same works for this club:

Defenders including goalkeeper (actually couchkeeper): Lily, Micky, Katy, Magda, Cristina sitting even 2 per couch in the small room beside the bar;

Midfielders and "foreigners": Emilia, Simona, Eva, Angie randomly in the other 2 rooms;

Strikers Antonia and Jasmine (actually the best ones optically speaking) in the counter room.

Occasional "substitutes" or part of the team may complete the list, local Amira off for a while, there was Laura, previously in Arabella as Amira.

Coach Justina.

After 8 pm entrance was 15 euros.
Funniest thing was a girl pulling out in front of me her tampoon with blood. Have I the right to be traumatized?

I would like to also meet the slim Larissa. I believe it was you Op who told me she was worth the visit!

[QUOTE=Optimist;1961778]Thanks Mr Encyclopaedia :). Time for a detour to VV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1962459]Some unlucky circumstances made me go to Grimberg. Since this board is read by men mostly with white hair if any, I would dare a comparison with football teams like they were until 25 years ago: every supporter knew the line up from 1 to 11, the same works for this club:

Defenders including goalkeeper (actually couchkeeper): Lily, Micky, Katy, Magda, Cristina sitting even 2 per couch in the small room beside the bar;

Midfielders and "foreigners": Emilia, Simona, Eva, Angie randomly in the other 2 rooms;

Strikers Antonia and Jasmine (actually the best ones optically speaking) in the counter room.
[/QUOTE]It seems they like to play with a classic 4-4-2.

Christian,

Yes, of course, they all were already there some 25 years ago and surely nearly all of them will still be there in 25 years, so they play old fashioned schemes. Let's hope that Cindy and Sissi come back to make the dream team complete, since Antonia and Jasmine are pretty and "new", and they spoil the aesthetic harmony of the club, LOL!

Once again, this club gave a sense to my trip. Nobody to go for or nobody worth in Arabella (only Alexandra), Grimberg (OMG), Venus and Romantika (as far as I am concerned they could be closed), here there was choice, quality and quantity. Once again, I mention only a few ones, all perfectly (and unbelievably for these clubs) toothed. I am still hoping and waiting for someone to write about other ones.

- Marianna, less than a month in club, 30 years old, around 1,60 tall (short), decent face, her hard body would be perfect and proportionate with curves, flat stomach and muscles if she didn't have a pratically flat chest. Good kisser, good performer, giving the impression to participate and enjoy, but with the obsession of the 25 minutes. First room ok, second one we stayed 5 minutes more and she was insisting for a tip of 5 and got upset when I denied. On 3rd room I couldn't finish because I was so close but she had already stayed 5 minutes more and she unplugged and we had some... bad feelings towards each other;

- Isa, about 20 years old, last month was Ada in Leverkusen. Simply unrecognizeable, we even discussed the matter with german colleagues, she should be catwalking in fashion parades, unbelievable to have her there AO for 30. Perfectly slim, even too much, and proportionate, flat stomach, nice boobs, little mouth in a greatly arranged face and haircomb, unfortunately not too hot in the room, she tries to do what she can, which is ok from the point of view of committment and mechanical result, but it is clear she has no pleasure and no passion;

- Sara, 25 declared years old persian girl, a couple of days in the business but it was rumoured she had already left on my last day there. Phisically eyecatching, cheerful and always smiling, she can be tried for your Risiko pussy collection. Other customers were appearently satisfied, but our room was... Let's say disappointing to cut it short;

- Karina, about 20 years old, phisically slim, proportionate, flat stomach, nice little boobs, around 1,64. Weak point is the face, not that bad anyway. Unfortunately her pussy was in pain, but if she was in good condition she would be worth zimmering;

- Andrea, 19 years old, about 170 cms tall, eyecatching, enthusiastic, smiling and usually in good mood, good skills but too childish;

- Nelly, bulgarian, some 26 years old, decent body even if with big boobs hanging, decent room. Eventually I got informed that in girls' bathroom she was dealing with fucking filling.

Dana, unfortunately for me, went back to Dortmund from Grimberg. She was always fairly busy, but surely in such an environment I couldn't go with her, nor could I go with Elena (ex Alina, ex Venus, ex Romantika, etc.). One thing is to go with them when there are no other choices, but in minimally acceptable conditions of quality they are not even second choices (for me).

I want to add this for those writing here about AOing or not. A doctor came one day to visit a few girls, not all of them. I didn't investigate what tests were made, but on my last trip about one month ago a girl (actually at least 2) had a fungal problem and / or anyway pains in the pussy, and I am not talking about Karina which I hadn't met. A couple of german guys said to me that her pussy was still smelling bad (I didn't go with any of the 2 on this trip). Get your conclusions.

EG, you mention bad smell. Normally this is BV, which is not an infection but a disturbance of the natural pussy flora, often caused by using chemical laden pussy cleaning wipes, or sometimes condoms.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1963022]EG, you mention bad smell. Normally this is BV, which is not an infection but a disturbance of the natural pussy flora, often caused by using chemical laden pussy cleaning wipes, or sometimes condoms.[/QUOTE]Hum. This is certainly true, but. Bad smell can also be due to vaginal infections, whichever they may be. In other words, a train can mask another one.

Great reports & info on the girls! Greatly appreciated!

I also experienced the stuffed pussies here & there. Not with my regulars but a couple new girls.

A new RTC club has opened at the location of former Partytreff Flughafen (not to be confused with Pauschalclub Dortmund), very close to Dortmund airport:

[URL]http://www.fkk-airport.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Varenne;1968126]A new RTC club has opened at the location of former Partytreff Flughafen (not to be confused with Pauschalclub Dortmund), very close to Dortmund airport:

[URL]http://www.fkk-airport.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Is that a part of the same RTC chain? From its web site appearance, it looks to be.

[QUOTE=Downandup;1968211]Is that a part of the same RTC chain? From its web site appearance, it looks to be.[/QUOTE]Mostly girls from freude I hear, which makes sense because Fruede has been busy lately.

[QUOTE=Varenne;1968126]A new RTC club has opened at the location of former Partytreff Flughafen (not to be confused with Pauschalclub Dortmund), very close to Dortmund airport:

[URL]http://www.fkk-airport.com[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreeDude;1968267]Mostly girsl from freude I hear, which makes sense because Fruede has been busy lately.[/QUOTE]Good to have one more club! Hope in some new girls also, and not only the well known faces move around in every clubs.

The parking place is not the best aspect but it looks interesting even if the ladies belong to the same RTC chaim.

We aill see.

FYI,

I was just refused entrance into Grimberg. Odd since I have been there 3- 4 times in the past. The girl who answered the door was clear, in broken English that no "chocolate" was allowed. Actually rang the door again because I was so surprised by her behavior ("are you lost chocolate / go away" it would be funny if I wasn't irritated). When the the manager / lady who typically takes the entrance fee came to the door, she also refused without an explanation. At this point I just kinda shrugged and left. Irritating because the manager knows me and I've spoken with her at least twice in the past. Just an FYI for any darker complected people considering visiting. Experienced this once at Goldentime a few years ago (my fault for not reading the forum first) Maybe there is a new policy at Grimberg?

I made a repeat visit to Varena this past weekend, mostly to reconnect with Iza who Eastgoing mentioned in his report a few posts down and who I had also found very attractive and had a good time with a month ago. However, she has since relocated to Freude and went back to her old name Ada.

Frankly, as opposed to a month ago it was somewhat disappointing. Only 9 name cards on the counter.

The standout for me was a new girl Alice, young, tall gazelle just the way I like them. To me she had a very pretty face and long brown hair. Interaction was good. The only downside was that her boobs are somewhat saggy, but it still gave me great pleasure to deposit some of my genetic material inside her uterus. Overall, would definitely repeat.

I targeted Karina next, but as it turned out I was number 3 in line for her, and since she was more of a GND type than a stunner, I did not feel it was worth waiting that long and left. The remaining 7 girls were unfuckable by my standards.

In my opinion, this club does not compare to Freude, where the current lineup boasts much better choice (albeit at a slightly higher price).

I have visited Luderland. Some 12 girls, Hennef club is closed so nearly all of the girls moved there. 3 new faces for me, 2 bulgarians and one romanian.

Problem: as some of you might have read somewhere else, the girls (actually the romanian ones, 9 on that day) ask 10 euros more for AO, like in F39. I am not updated about the advertisement, which should still be officially "30 euros alles inklusive", the theke said it is not the club, it's the girls willing to ask more! I didn't feel like questioning the matter because it would have been totally pointless, if not ridiculous, to deal with such a justification.

"What? You want to fuck me without condom for 30 euros? You are crazy?" was a sort of refrain, when I was trying to make objections, from girls willing to inform me of the news. A pity that I didn't find any of them fuckable, not even for free, and a pity that they have been doing it for years until one week ago or something like that: Maya, about 50 years old, and Anita, a real garbage dumpster, just to mention a couple of "starlettes". Actually I forgot to mention Sara, indeed one of the greatest bodies who ever entered a RTC, because her smaller-than-a-peanute-brain makes her refuse the most of customers who have already been with her (I specify this to make clear that she doesn't do that only with me) and doesn't tell her to go to work anywhere else, which she could do effortlessly.

Out of this, I found fuckable only one of the 3 bulgarians. Language barriers wouldn't have hindered her from asking me 40 euros, in the beginning she had told me she wouldn't allow genetic material in her holes, I thought that was said to ask for more money, instead eventually she said I could unload in her pussy, so I went with her thinking that 30 bucks were ok. When I gave her only 3 tenners, she looked a bit surprised. She gave me a look like if she wanted to say something, but then she thanked me and went for her own matters. I showered and left.

It is rumoured that also other RTCs are considering this raise, unfortunately the rumour says: "starting from Verena". Luckily I have been there too, I didn't ask anything, but the topic didn't come out, so hopefully the rumour is wrong.

If RTCs really raise prices, I will not need to wait for July to quit them, because it is already hard enough to find fuckable girls in these clubs, actually museums of monsters, skeletons, whales, real top exhibitions of falling boobs, asses like swiss cheese because of cellulitis, bellies like pillows, toothings like crosswords, even a girl with one eye only (poor girl, but she doesn't even anymore look at me even with the working eye), etc. And you must get them to come with you and give you a decent session... WTF!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1974242]
Problem: as some of you might have read somewhere else, the girls (actually the romanian ones, 9 on that day) ask 10 euros more for AO, like in F39. I am not updated about the advertisement, which should still be officially "30 euros alles inklusive", the theke said it is not the club, it's the girls willing to ask more! I didn't feel like questioning the matter because it would have been totally pointless, if not ridiculous, to deal with such a justification.[/QUOTE]They ask 10 euro more for CIM and anal also? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1974242]Problem: as some of you might have read somewhere else, the girls (actually the romanian ones, 9 on that day) ask 10 euros more for AO, like in F39. I am not updated about the advertisement, which should still be officially "30 euros alles inklusive", the theke said it is not the club, it's the girls willing to ask more! I didn't feel like questioning the matter because it would have been totally pointless, if not ridiculous, to deal with such a justification.

It is rumoured that also other RTCs are considering this raise, unfortunately the rumour says: "starting from Verena". Luckily I have been there too, I didn't ask anything, but the topic didn't come out, so hopefully the rumour is wrong..[/QUOTE]I experienced this issue at Verena recently. Alice & her friend with zero tits were expecting more. Both speak zero English so it was difficult to understand at first. Alice pulled out a condom the first time & I said w / o. She insisted & I insisted while both of us are using sign language. I said ok & got up started to grab my towel. She grabbed me & signaled OK w / o. Did her a second time & looked at the 20 & 10€ bills as if I gave her two 10€ notes. Did the flat chested chick & same reaction. Walked toward Alice to sit next to her & she stuck out her legs across the couch. Whatever!

I didn't notice at first but when I was ready to go to the room with Alice she would walk to the reception desk. I thought she was getting a key but I noticed later that she was grabbing a condom from the tray.

No issues at Dietz, Arabella or grim but stuck with my regs.

If they make it official 10 extra for AO I wouldn't care. What's another 10 to cream in a hottie like Alexandra at Ara.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1974457]If they make it official 10 extra for AO I wouldn't care. What's another 10 to cream in a hottie like Alexandra at Ara.[/QUOTE]Because this represents a 33.33% increase?

"I have visited Luderland. Some 12 girls, Hennef club is closed so nearly all of the girls moved there. 3 new faces for me, 2 bulgarians and one romanian. ".

Can someone confirm that Annabella is closed. Is this temporary (again) or permanent?

Anything is possible over the past few months! I was there near the end of September, but the choices of girls were a few, so I ended up going with the same girl twice!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1974242] even a girl with one eye only (poor girl, but she doesn't even anymore look at me even with the working eye), etc. [/QUOTE]So does she take it bareback in the eye socket??

[QUOTE=Wanking;1974768]So does she take it bareback in the eye socket??[/QUOTE]For an extra 10€!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1974856]For an extra 10![/QUOTE]Hi vito,

I thought the extra was only in Freude!

Christian,

I didn't ask, anyway I'd say none of them was making anal. And the "refrain" was only about AO;

Neurosynth,

I even mentioned 3 of the 6-7 girls who were working in Hennef (Anita, Sara, Maya). Also German friends said that. It is written also in other forums, therefore I would insist that it is closed. When there will be enough girls (and customers), so probably after the Christmas holidays, probably Annabella will reopen again. A friend of mine told me that yesterday in Romantika there were 4 girls, they eventually got one of the ugliest ones from Verena to make it 5, customers were even less, entrance 30, I don't think it will stay open much longer in coming days;

Wanking,

Nice to see that the (ex?)moderator of this thread appreciate my posts. Actually she has a blind eye, I don't know if she allows facials;

Vito,

It is a matter of principle. If you go often in the same restaurant, the owner will surely offer you a free coffee, a free liquor, will round down your bill, etc. He will not ask you more money for the same steak, or give you 20%-33%-50% less of it, or both things! I agree that Arabella's Alexandra is worth much more than Dietz's Dani, but still I won't fork out more money for a girl I have already had. At least provide me new ones, hopefully fuckable and skilled. When I go to F39 I look for new faces, otherwise I will look for a girl giving me the closest thing to the "old fares", otherwise no room (anyway I go in the evening after happy hour, after making room in the other clubs, so it is not a great issue).

All the bullshit of extras and time-cuts (20 minutes in F39 and 25 in Luderland, Verena, etc.) made me make a "desperation experiment" in Dolce Vita Raubach, since it is said that over there the girls don't mind the clock. Where should I post about, since it is not in NRW? In AO dead section?

Sorry EastGoing, I didn't mean to question your judgement or anything. I was mostly trying to figure out if they are closed forever or just closed for now.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1976137]Vito,

It is a matter of principle. If you go often in the same restaurant, the owner will surely offer you a free coffee, a free liquor, will round down your bill, etc. He will not ask you more money for the same steak, or give you 20%-33%-50% less of it, or both things! I agree that Arabella's Alexandra is worth much more than Dietz's Dani, but still I won't fork out more money for a girl I have already had. At least provide me new ones, hopefully fuckable and skilled. When I go to F39 I look for new faces, otherwise I will look for a girl giving me the closest thing to the "old fares", otherwise no room (anyway I go in the evening after happy hour, after making room in the other clubs, so it is not a great issue)...[/QUOTE]EG,

It's a matter of is 10€ really that big of a deal? Maybe it's a game changer for you? Since most of the clients at the RTC seem to be on a budget the extra 10€ will cut down the waiting list for the top girls. Even at 50€ I would cream in the hotties. Yes. I also prefer new meat but I'm happy banging these hotties 30+ times.

The days of pre-paying 4 twenty min sessions for 100€ & paying 30€ extra for AO wasn't a big deal then (55€ for 20 min). I wouldn't bat an eyelid 40€ for a session. OK, 4-5 yrs ago there was some really smoking hot talent & 55€ to splash around inside a hottie for 20 min was a pretty good deal back then!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1976137]All the bullshit of extras and time-cuts (20 minutes in F39 and 25 in Luderland, Verena, etc.) made me make a "desperation experiment" in Dolce Vita Raubach, since it is said that over there the girls don't mind the clock. Where should I post about, since it is not in NRW? In AO dead section?[/QUOTE]You could post your report about DVR here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3177-Dolce-Vita-Raubach[/URL].

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1976137]All the bullshit of extras and time-cuts (20 minutes in F39 and 25 in Luderland, Verena, etc.) made me make a "desperation experiment" in Dolce Vita Raubach, since it is said that over there the girls don't mind the clock. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=EastGoing;1946501]A german guy rang me in early morning and offered to come to pick me up at my accommodation to go there. It really wasn't my intention, also because he wouldn't switch clubs for any reason once he enters somewhere and I had planned with another deutsche mann to meet up in Buldern, following his insistences.[/QUOTE]If only we had a group of Germanic friends to ferry us around venues then we too would be able to post trip reports from far and wide. I used to believe EasyGoing was the champion of the public transport P4P punter, turning up at clubs up and down the NRW with a tram ticket in his hand (and a copy of Bild to read on the way, LOL) but it now turns out that he is actually being ferried back and forth in relative comfort in the back of Audis and BMWs. No wonder he has been to so many places. No, I'm not jealous. Just looking forward to more Easy reports on different places so I don't have to bother going there myself. Keep up the good work, Easy!

Myrrh,

It was the first time I hired a car, only an insane (or a desperate man on his way to airport) would travel to Raubach for visiting that house. For the rest, I actually am a champion and connosseur of public transport, honestly not too often with a valid or validated or proper ticket in his hands. I buy Bild only when I can get a discount, I have even travelled (by train, obviously without correct ticket) in another province to buy it get free entrance in Romantika.

Vito,

I think that tips or gifts or anything which doesn't keep up with the allowed time for the requested money (so I include also the customers finishing the room and coming out in 10 minutes) is a damage to all customers expecting a certain service for a certain time for a certain amount, as advertised. If these girls have been doing it for 30 minutes for 30 euros, there is no reason to pay them more and / or accept to stay less time in the room. My "reward" is mainly repeating rooms, and / or speaking well about a girl.

As I said, it is a matter of principle, because I admit that anyway what they offer is appallingly cheap, in other countries you may not get it in spite of paying much bigger amounts and not even by doing that.

Neurosynth,

No problem, I am not God and you can question whatever. I just wanted to reassure you ;-)

Visited because I had been told that already zimmered Tina (ex Verena ex F39) and not-yet-zimmered Mony (ex F39 and ex Dortmund airport) had just joined. Nothing extraordinary, but surely worth zimmering. Another new (ugly!) face, bulgarian, with a decent slim body was there, I think Sonia. 10 girls in total, no happy hour. Angie, Antonia, Katy, Magda, Cristina not seen. Not too many men either.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1976529]Vito,

I think that tips or gifts or anything which doesn't keep up with the allowed time for the requested money (so I include also the customers finishing the room and coming out in 10 minutes) is a damage to all customers expecting a certain service for a certain time for a certain amount, as advertised. If these girls have been doing it for 30 minutes for 30 euros, there is no reason to pay them more and / or accept to stay less time in the room. My "reward" is mainly repeating rooms, and / or speaking well about a girl.

As I said, it is a matter of principle, because I admit that anyway what they offer is appallingly cheap, in other countries you may not get it in spite of paying much bigger amounts and not even by doing that.
[/QUOTE]I agree about not tipping & giving gifts. I rarely ever tip & the only gifts I give is protein. Alice & her flat as a board friend at Varena received the standard 30€. It is a matter of principle to pay the clubs official price. What I meant was if the standard club price is 40€, then the extra 10€ Wouldn't bother me. If the official club prices go up 10-20€ big fucking deal!

I can see how 10€ extra can boil your blood. If not paying the correct train fare helps you get a hard on then more power to you. We are all from different cultures & respect different values. I would be ashamed to cheat the system.

Anyway your reports are always entertaining!

Visited repeatedly as usual. One day even 15 photos!

A couple of words about 2 new girls zimmered.

Emma is about 27 years old and has a good slim body, gypsy face ok from distance, specially when smiling, but from close I had to close eyes. She says she is new in the business, which I found plausible. No hassle in the room about time, positions nor anything else. Good for a change, but not necessary to repeat.

Irina is a bit bigger than my standards, but is fairly proportionate and I felt like trying her. It is a sort of sadomaso experience, as she likes to describe herself, but not really my kind inspite of being an ok room, also because she pushes too much the conversations as well.

Another "new" girl is ex skeleton ex Gaby from Freude, the only bulgarian girl. She has fixed her teeth and more than doubled up her weight, to the point that I didn't take her because I noticed cellulitis and deposits of fat spoiling the proportions and profile! To be reevaluated, hoping she loses some 4 kgs.

For the rest, Dana is gaining weight day by day and has become an insatiable "haide-zimmer" machine, never happy no matters how many rooms she makes (many); Elena is back and craving for rooms; Alice is now a bred pro; Denisa instead hasn't learnt to make any eye contact or anything similar to a smile; Andrea keeps on making plenty of rooms with any dog as if he was the most interesting man on earth; the other girls mostly observe, more or less nosily.

P.S. Vito, a "system" which charges 1,5 euros for 3 tram stops and nearly 12 euros for a single short trip like Duisburg-Gelsenkirchen, less than 30 km covered in some 20 minutes, and then allows tickets from the country's most northern city to the most southern one for 19 euros is stupid and sick.
The fact that VRR site doesn't allow a foreigner living outside Germany to buy tickets at discounted prices, while a resident can get 10 tickets or perhaps more with a good discount, but not pass them to a foreigner friend, is racist and... to say the least - like Airberlin and Germanwings charging 10 euros more if the customer cannot pay through an Austrian, German or (I don't recall what other nationality) bank account, a bullshit that they quit recently. The reason probably being that it should be illegal, being it discriminatory against other nationalities of the EU. But which individual is going to sue Airberlin for 10 euros per booking?
This system deserves all the tricks I can invent, beyond the fact of saving money

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1976902]Visited repeatedly as usual. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1962650]Once again, this club gave a sense to my trip. Nobody to go for or nobody worth in Arabella (only Alexandra), Grimberg (OMG), Venus and Romantika (as far as I am concerned they could be closed), here there was choice, quality and quantity. Once again, I mention only a few ones, all perfectly (and unbelievably for these clubs) toothed.

- Karina, about 20 years old, phisically slim, proportionate, flat stomach, nice little boobs, around 1,64. Weak point is the face, not that bad anyway. Unfortunately her pussy was in pain, but if she was in good condition she would be worth zimmering[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SneraDog;1970651]I made a repeat visit to Varena this past weekend,

The standout for me was a new girl Alice, young, tall gazelle just the way I like them. To me she had a very pretty face and long brown hair. Interaction was good. The only downside was that her boobs are somewhat saggy.

I targeted Karina next, but as it turned out I was number 3 in line for her, and since she was more of a GND type than a stunner, I did not feel it was worth waiting that long and left. The remaining 7 girls were unfuckable by my standards.

In my opinion, this club does not compare to Freude, where the current lineup boasts much better choice (albeit at a slightly higher price).[/QUOTE]I have been contemplating visiting this club but could not help notice the starkly divergent opinions from Easygoing and Snera. Maybe seeing is believing and I need to pay a trip to judge for myself.

Myrrh,

In other forums is possible to put a fix sentence, here not. As I have written sometimes:

Opinions and tastes are different;.

Not all girls will give the same service twice or to different customers;.

YMMV;.

Plus this which works for RTCs and similar AO clubs: the concept of beauty and fuckability must be adjusted and reduced a lot, specially if compared to normal clubs. As we all know, nearly none of the girls of these clubs could work in normal clubs. In F39 you have a bigger choice and something for your eyes too, but those few ones will not work AO (please don't tell me Andrea is who knows what, watch her without heels and without make up, she's short and with falling boobs, and you realize she's special only if surrounded by the quicker-to-jump-over-than-to-circumnavigate girls staying in RTCs). Of course if you go to Acapulco, Living Room, Oceans, etc. , you will not find anything interesting for your eyes when entering Verena (imagine entering Romantika!!!)

Alice has nearly unwatchable saggy soft boobs, black hair and is around 1,60, has a very pretty face and is a sweet baby, Karina has a better body (not flat chested, even if not far from that) but worst face.

Put it this way: go to Venus, Grimberg, Romantika, etc. , enter all those clubs, and tell me in which one you'd enter a second time.

I will write my post about DVR and then see you all next year. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all

Myrrh, as Eastgoing said, tastes are subjective and one man's beauty might be another man's beast. My opinion is just that, an opinion. You will have to see for your self to really see what you think of the girls.

The other problem is that the quality of the line up can fluctuate significantly. I went to Arabella 2 months ago and had a great time with Ariana, Alexandra and Sonja. I returned a month ago and all 3 girls were missing-as you can imagine I did not enjoy my repeat visit quite as much. So it is also somewhat a luck of the draw.

I agree that the RTC clubs on average can have comparable quality, but again, not all days or month are equal-it really does change.

In my opinion, F39 stands head and shoulders above the other RTC clubs regarding the sheer number and quality of the girls. Earlier this month there were 33 girls on a weekend evening and 27 on a weekday. The girls were also much more to my taste and I found multiple girls that I found attractive (this does not mean there were perfect-but all I need is "attractive", not necessarily "stunning", especially in the AO game). Rachela indeed is covered -only (as is Nicole), but at a price of 30 Euros it is still a good deal. The AO girls that I found attractive included Bianca, Dea, Ada, Miriam, Emma, Andrea, Alexandra (yes, I know, not the most popular girl on this forum, but I like her), and Simona (I can't resist that sweetness of a 19 year old body). Way more girls than my cock can handle, and that is a nice problem to have. Thus, while I do visit the RTC clubs, I spend most of my time at F39.

Holiday time is visible, less girl on a Wednesday, about 8 girls and not the 14 mentioned in German forum.

Lot of polar bears, but not so ancious to have nice time. Better watch.

30€ to enter, no food apart from some bananas and apple.

Elena; pretty slim brunette, not perfect breast as usual in RTC (seen worse definitely.) already done some time ago in Villa Venus and inproved seeming like to play!

Irina: some kg more than Elena but nice as well who like and really to be spanked!

Nicoletta: funny and lovely but a bit in a hurry. Nice face, round but acceptable body.

Emma; very slim, very kind but not a tiger in the bed.

Anyway, I had fun with these ladies and sure to repeat.

Few but very good girls!

Bahar, Micaela big boobs were off, back at home for rest but.

Marianna, Dana, Ina, Mina, Nicole, Nelly were there daring the holiday time.

Mona plus as new even if worked in Spain. Speaks English and Spanish if your German is poor.

The fun I had, definitely much higher than in Verena; Mariana, Dana (great deep-thr.), Ina and Mona to adore. Lovely and no hurry at all. No rush.

Sorry for my pocket, hormons and time, but also the remaining girls need a run.

30€ to enter and as food, just some sandwich to ask to the thekefrau.

So Ina is still here. Maybe you know when she takes her day off? Thanks.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;1980432]So Ina is still here. Maybe you know when she takes her day off? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi BB,

She told me is going to stay there.

Anyway not in her country.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;1977308]Myrrh, as Eastgoing said, tastes are subjective and one man's beauty might be another man's beast. My opinion is just that, an opinion. You will have to see for your self to really see what you think of the girls.

The other problem is that the quality of the line up can fluctuate significantly. So it is also somewhat a luck of the draw.

In my opinion, F39 stands head and shoulders above the other RTC clubs regarding the sheer number and quality of the girls. Earlier this month there were 33 girls on a weekend evening and 27 on a weekday. The girls were also much more to my taste and I found multiple girls that I found attractive (this does not mean there were perfect-but all I need is "attractive", not necessarily "stunning", especially in the AO game). Thus, while I do visit the RTC clubs, I spend most of my time at F39.[/QUOTE]Took a calculated decision based on the discussions here and went to F39 first rather than Verena during the Christmas / NY break. Maybe because of this Christmas break many of the girls mentioned, Ada, Miriam, Emma, Andrea, Alexandra, Simona (she of the 19 year old body sweetness) were not there and numbers were down to 21 or less rather than the 27 or 33 mentioned. A lot of the girls there had bodies that made them look like seal pups.

The next day trekked out to Verena in Dortmund. Oh my goodness. Now I know where they have sited the hospice for existing survivors of the Chernobyl nuclear fallout disaster. Chalked off my 30 euro entry fee to experience and circled back out.

Does anyone know if any of the RTCs are open on New Year's day? I know that F39 will be closed.

Myrrh,

Arabella will reopen on Monday (source: a girl on whatsapp before midnight). I don't remember exactly about the other ones because I didn't need to know that.

I am looking forward to reading your posts with names, descriptions, performances, feelings, timing, impressions, etc. The whole forum is awaiting to read long proper posts "including if and how much toilet paper is available, because it is info which might be useful", like you proudly vowed long ago.

Come on, expose yourself once and give us the chance to criticize you, your tastes, your opinions, your skills, your actions, your choices, etc. ;-)

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1980851]I am looking forward to reading your posts with names, descriptions, performances, feelings, timing, impressions, etc. The whole forum is awaiting to read long proper posts "including if and how much toilet paper is available, because it is info which might be useful", like you proudly vowed long ago.

Come on, expose yourself once and give us the chance to criticize you, your tastes, your opinions, your skills, your actions, your choices, etc.[/QUOTE]After your many splendid, highly entertaining and informative accounts over the past few weeks it is the least that I can do to contribute just one report.

Here you go easy, enjoy.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2597-FKK-Samya-Cologne&p=1980703&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1980703.

Also, my friend.

Guten Rutsch.

We have still 6 months to go for the new law to go into effect in Germany, but official policy in Venus is now already NO more BBBJ and AO in the bar! Curious if this also is true in the other RTCs.

In the room services seem still ok, but will be interesting to see customer visits drop dramatically from July 1st onwards, or let's hope the new, to be elected government, will withdraw this crazy law ASAP!

[QUOTE=Maxime;1982343]We have still 6 months to go for the new law to go into effect in Germany, but official policy in Venus is now already NO more BBBJ and AO in the bar! Curious if this also is true in the other RTCs.

In the room services seem still ok, but will be interesting to see customer visits drop dramatically from July 1st onwards, or let's hope the new, to be elected government, will withdraw this crazy law ASAP![/QUOTE]I m not German but I really wish Germany will protect poor Romanian or Bulgarian WGs health. They are about 20 yo. Even prostitutes in brothels, they deserve to avoid diseases, to be able to have a nearly normal life, when they will be able to leave this bad business. I m not interested to make pregnant a prostitute in a brothel.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1980992]After your many splendid, highly entertaining and informative accounts over the past few weeks it is the least that I can do to contribute just one report.

Here you go easy, enjoy.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2597-FKK-Samya-Cologne&p=1980703&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1980703.

Also, my friend.

Guten Rutsch.[/QUOTE]Myrrh. More such reports would improve the forum immeasurably. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1982347]I m not German but I really wish Germany will protect poor Romanian or Bulgarian WGs health. They are about 20 yo. Even prostitutes in brothels, they deserve to avoid diseases, to be able to have a nearly normal life, when they will be able to leave this bad business. I m not interested to make pregnant a prostitute in a brothel.[/QUOTE]Agree when it concerns (unwanted / forced) AO, and if this law can help prevent this, ok. But (willing / not-forced) BBBJ is kind of the USP of the German FKK / Sauna club scene, and together with decent DFK the main reason lots of foreigners from Holland, Belgium, etc visit German clubs. When BBBJ is off the table, they will not make the 100-300 km trips anymore for sure.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1982639]Agree when it concerns (unwanted / forced) AO, and if this law can help prevent this, ok. But (willing / not-forced) BBBJ is kind of the USP of the German FKK / Sauna club scene, and together with decent DFK the main reason lots of foreigners from Holland, Belgium, etc visit German clubs. When BBBJ is off the table, they will not make the 100-300 km trips anymore for sure.[/QUOTE]Wanted or not, AO sex in brothels is risky and not only about pregnancy, that s why I say this new law will try to protect poor WGs health. Same about sleeping in dirty from fucking rooms. But I already found my NL, Austrian and Swiss spots for BBBJ. I will miss autobahns.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1982347]I m not German but I really wish Germany will protect poor Romanian or Bulgarian WGs health. They are about 20 yo. Even prostitutes in brothels, they deserve to avoid diseases, to be able to have a nearly normal life, when they will be able to leave this bad business. I m not interested to make pregnant a prostitute in a brothel.[/QUOTE]I know someone who is driving crazy, making himself a sure murderer. I wish Germany law will soon give death to this kind of person. .

You should avoid showing your kindness, intellect by supporting freedom killing laws, 'for the safe of people'. If a girl is forced then police have to prove it, then justice do the job. I pay taxes for police protect us, not to watch me 24/24, putting me in jail because I drink cola that is bad for health, and so so much things.

Prizes for guessing what name she was called before, what club she used to work at and where she is working now?

Plus, what was so special about her that made her grab the attention of any man whenever she chose to uncross her legs?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1982766]Prizes for guessing what name she was called before, what club she used to work at and where she is working now?

Plus, what was so special about her that made her grab the attention of any man whenever she chose to uncross her legs?[/QUOTE]Lily, Venus, no idea, albino pussy.

[QUOTE=HappyFkk;1982748]I know someone who is driving crazy, making himself a sure murderer. I wish Germany law will soon give death to this kind of person. .

You should avoid showing your kindness, intellect by supporting freedom killing laws, 'for the safe of people'. If a girl is forced then police have to prove it, then justice do the job. I pay taxes for police protect us, not to watch me 24/24, putting me in jail because I drink cola that is bad for health, and so so much things.[/QUOTE]Usually, I try to drive to the grip limit. I liked to play over the grip on dry track with Xdrive on autobahns, and even I was forbidden to drive in Germany and maybe complaint will forbid me again, but figures are: more than 150 000 kms in Germany for 4 years, under rain, on snow, most of time at night, no crash.

Other figures: More than 400 days in FKK from Hamburg to Zurich, Basel and Villach. At on Italian border. No girl never went to complain to the desk about me.

About AO clubs and AO girls with many poor Bulgarians driven by pimps. These poor girls only work in risky AO sex because they are just not pretty enough to make money in normal, sex with condom, club, not to enjoy to get our cum in belly. So, as I love so much my freedom to think or to write, I confirm I think this law is good to protect WGs health, even I will miss BBBJ from few skillful girls and I will not pay for CBJ.

Myrrh. I know the girl and found her a turnoff for no rational reason. I did go with her but really didn't enjoy it

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1982819]Usually, I try to drive to the grip limit. I liked to play over the grip on dry track with Xdrive on autobahns, and even I was forbidden to drive in Germany and maybe complaint will forbid me again, but figures are: more than 150 000 kms in Germany for 4 years, under rain, on snow, most of time at night, no crash.

Other figures: More than 400 days in FKK from Hamburg to Zurich, Basel and Villach. At on Italian border. No girl never went to complain to the desk about me.

About AO clubs and AO girls with many poor Bulgarians driven by pimps. These poor girls only work in risky AO sex because they are just not pretty enough to make money in normal, sex with condom, club, not to enjoy to get our cum in belly. So, as I love so much my freedom to think or to write, I confirm I think this law is good to protect WGs health, even I will miss BBBJ from few skillful girls and I will not pay for CBJ.[/QUOTE]Usually the members of this forum don't open this thread for read about your driving adventure, this is the thread for NRW AO clubs, It is clearly written in the title.

You don't like this kind of clubs, we understood. So why you come here somtimes for write the same useless things? I suppose it's just to make a controversy.

If I'm not interested in a club I do not read the thread and I do not write only for annoy other members who want to read the reports from the club.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1982945]Usually the members of this forum don't open this thread for read about your driving adventure, this is the thread for NRW AO clubs, It is clearly written in the title.

You don't like this kind of clubs, we understood. So why you come here somtimes for write the same useless things? I suppose it's just to make a controversy.

If I'm not interested in a club I do not read the thread and I do not write only for annoy other members who want to read the reports from the club.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. I do not participate in AO myself. But I adore the super sexy atmosphere in these clubs!

So: those who dislike AO: Just ask the girl for a condom and let the other members alone.

For the record: I admit, finding a condom may take the girl over 5 minutes!

You're right, so to be safe, just bring yours.

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;1983023]I couldn't agree more. I do not participate in AO myself. But I adore the super sexy atmosphere in these clubs![/QUOTE]Me too I don't do AO, but I like the clubs for the cheap rate all inclusive and for the high service.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1982343]We have still 6 months to go for the new law to go into effect in Germany, but official policy in Venus is now already NO more BBBJ and AO in the bar! Curious if this also is true in the other RTCs. [/QUOTE]I can recall visiting Arabella when the prospect of a new law was first being discussed.

I saw a slutty looking slim girl with dyed blond hair and dirty black streaks. I liked the look of her so just simply went over to where she was on a couch and tried to mount her. She very quick to realize what I wanted and without a word eagerly spread her long legs wide to accept me.

But then this tall, stocky, mature woman with short blond hair (she is one of the working girls but is kind of second in command to thekenfrau) came rushing over and planted the palm of her hand between my stiff dick and the girl's pussy when my dick was only just millimeters from penetrating.

No she said, the rules had recently changed and we had to go to the room now for ficken.

Fast forward 6 months from that and it was back to banging on the couch once talk of the proposed new law had subsided.

Maybe the same will happen and things will revert back to normal once this new law has been in place for 6 months to a year or so.

Myrrh, never had you down as an optimist LOL.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1983366]I can recall visiting Arabella when the prospect of a new law was first being discussed.

I saw a slutty looking slim girl with dyed blond hair and dirty black streaks. I liked the look of her so just simply went over to where she was on a couch and tried to mount her. She very quick to realize what I wanted and without a word eagerly spread her long legs wide to accept me.

But then this tall, stocky, mature woman with short blond hair (she is one of the working girls but is kind of second in command to thekenfrau) came rushing over and planted the palm of her hand between my stiff dick and the girl's pussy when my dick was only just millimeters from penetrating.

No she said, the rules had recently changed and we had to go to the room now for ficken.

Fast forward 6 months from that and it was back to banging on the couch once talk of the proposed new law had subsided.

Maybe the same will happen and things will revert back to normal once this new law has been in place for 6 months to a year or so.[/QUOTE]Since several days on many German forums the discussions are very active about the new law, to make it simple the main conclusions for most of the German mongers are: no more gang bang, no more actions in public spaces, use of condoms for sex and BJ under the full responsibility of the customer, increase administrative control of the FKK and brothels owner and the girls and all this will progressively increase the prices in the coming months (not just the 1st of July) due to the fact that there will be less girls, are they wrong or right let s wait to see. For me, obviously the new law will change the things (this is the main goal of the German government), stronger control, will decrease the offer and like always will increase prices this are the basic rules in any business not only prostitution.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1982766]Prizes for guessing what name she was called before, what club she used to work at and where she is working now?

Plus, what was so special about her that made her grab the attention of any man whenever she chose to uncross her legs?[/QUOTE]Maybe because she had something hanging on between her legs?

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;1983023]I couldn't agree more. I do not participate in AO myself. But I adore the super sexy atmosphere in these clubs!

So: those who dislike AO: Just ask the girl for a condom and let the other members alone.

For the record: I admit, finding a condom may take the girl over 5 minutes![/QUOTE]"Sexy atmosphere" Well, that's a new one. More like 1920's silent movie atmosphere.

So I'm in Bonn now and the two closest RTCs have in the past been Annabella (Hennef) and Luderland (Leverkusen).

But is Annabella still closed? What's Luderland like these days?

[QUOTE=Maxime;1982343]We have still 6 months to go for the new law to go into effect in Germany, but official policy in Venus is now already NO more BBBJ and AO in the bar! Curious if this also is true in the other RTCs.

In the room services seem still ok, but will be interesting to see customer visits drop dramatically from July 1st onwards, or let's hope the new, to be elected government, will withdraw this crazy law ASAP![/QUOTE]Looked it was temporarly measure. Couch action is back for now (change will take place end of June at the latest).

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1985764]So I'm in Bonn now and the two closest RTCs have in the past been Annabella (Hennef) and Luderland (Leverkusen).

But is Annabella still closed? What's Luderland like these days?[/QUOTE]My last Luderland visit a couple of months ago was like attending a funeral in a morgue: about 7 uninspired girls rattling round the cavernous deserted facilities (only two men, including me).

I read elsewhere that the service currently offered is covered, but that is just a couple of reports. If you're in Bonn it's worth a quick look.

Not sure if Annabella is open: the website is still up

Like last week Bundesliga started off again after the December break, in the same way the line up in Grimberg after Christmas holidays is back to normal, even Angie and Sissy back! As well as Micky, Lily, Katy, Magda. Jasmine, Tina, Moni and, if I recall well, 2 bulgarian "UCOs" ("Unidentified Circumnavigable Objects") complete the team.

Angie is not anymore loudly offering her ass to any 3-legged walking around like she was doing before disappearing. Actually she even seems to suffer anal and tries to cheat about the time.

Fuckable Tina has always downstairs pains and is a pain in the ass also for customers not finishing quickly. Her clock must have some synchrony with Angie's one.

One thing worth reporting is that no uncovered sex is anymore allowed on sofas, not even BBBJ.

I visited Arabella after quite some time.

New face for me was Vanessa, slim with smiling face but nothing worth, then the usual well known 3 bulgarians plus the rest of romanians:

Anastasia, getting bigger and more and more looking like a man;

Maria, unwatchable, looking like a pensioner, it (not a mistype) seems to declare 38 years of age;

Melissa, gypsy, not too big and not much younger than the above derelict;

Arianna, from F39, breathing dead skeleton with quite a few missing teeth, at least she has an excuse for not smiling;

Janina, ex verena ex F39, surely not a reason for going there;

Roxana, has worked in all RTCs also as Carmen and something else, sweet unfuckable disproportionate skeleton with yellow teeth;

Alexandra and Sabrina, normally the main reasons for visiting this club, but both with pains in the pussy, the latter even got fatter anywhere.

In a word, no need to rush back.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1990907]I visited Arabella after quite some time.

New face for me was Vanessa, slim with smiling face but nothing worth, then the usual well known 3 bulgarians plus the rest of romanians:

Anastasia, getting bigger and more and more looking like a man;

Maria, unwatchable, looking like a pensioner, it (not a mistype) seems to declare 38 years of age;

Melissa, gypsy, not too big and not much younger than the above derelict;

Arianna, from F39, breathing dead skeleton with quite a few missing teeth, at least she has an excuse for not smiling;.[/QUOTE]When I read your report frankly I prefer mastubate myself.

EG. Angie is the one who used to be at Grimberg?. Slim, small. I last saw her a year ago and was astonished that she and longer seemed to enjoy anal, whichup till then had been her enthusiastic forte. For the first time with her I failed to finish. I guess she said bunt out.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1990910]When I read your report frankly I prefer mastubate myself.[/QUOTE]Always better to visit before saying, so I visited a few of them because I m curious and I always prefer to see with my eyes used to prettiest girls in clubs, and they found only 1 really pretty girl at big Sharks after last Summer. So, I visited Freude, Arabella and another one but I don t remember the name, I think ex Angelique but not in Viersen anymore. In all these clubs, no free foods like in normal clubs, but I have same problem at high level History Liestal. Girls there are sitting, looking and smiling at You, because You are different, among old fat Germans. Girls look very sweet for behavior when they speak to You, many are Bulgarian in these clubs. But I don t know where to look at, to avoid eye contact, so I leave after 2 hours, just to be sure not to miss a model. Only Esmeralda. Bu and Beatrice tried at F39 , but very average level for sex, low level for Beatrice with lack of care for her teeth and pussy and legs shaving. Far from Globe standards for girls care or Megan beauty or body care.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1991444]Always better to visit before saying, so I visited a few of them because I m curious and I always prefer to see with my eyes used to prettiest girls in clubs, and they found only 1 really pretty girl at big Sharks after last Summer. So, I visited Freude, Arabella and another one but I don t remember the name, I think ex Angelique but not in Viersen anymore. In all these clubs, no free foods like in normal clubs, but I have same problem at high level History Liestal. Girls there are sitting, looking and smiling at You, because You are different, among old fat Germans. Girls look very sweet for behavior when they speak to You, many are Bulgarian in these clubs. But I don t know where to look at, to avoid eye contact, so I leave after 2 hours, just to be sure not to miss a model. Only Esmeralda. Bu and Beatrice tried at F39 , but very average level for sex, low level for Beatrice with lack of care for her teeth and pussy and legs shaving. Far from Globe standards for girls care or Megan beauty or body care.[/QUOTE]Actual LU in many big FKK clubs is just crazy, full of choices I don't understand why I need to go to some poor place with limited LU.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1991735]Actual LU in many big FKK clubs is just crazy, full of choices I don't understand why I need to go to some poor place with limited LU.[/QUOTE]These clubs are for AO sex. Why do you want pretty girls take risks for their life in these clubs, when they can make business in normal clubs? These clubs are Bulgarian GND land.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1991735]Actual LU in many big FKK clubs is just crazy, full of choices I don't understand why I need to go to some poor place with limited LU.[/QUOTE]Quite right, why do you still go to places you constantly say you hate? And why do you continue polluting those threads? Please report you happy time in the big clubs in their respective thread!

I post this about my visits to Verena on my last trip, probably now it's out of date, but better than the useless discussions cluttering the forum...

There were 8-9 girls: Alice, Karina, Irina, Lorena, Erika, Nicoletta, Moni, Denisa. The only new face was Anna, 4 days old in the club and in the business. 19 years old if not less, slim, blonde, fairly pretty, fresh and full of enthusiasm and "curiosity".

I am an old-mannered thinking guy, I consider myself a child inside, I am not too brilliant nor full of "phantasies" in bed, where I am quite basic and monotone, so I must say that I got a sense of disgust and inadequacy seeing Alice going with 2 men in the room and even more seeing her and Anna going with 3 men later on.

I forgot to say that in Arabella full AO sex still happens on the couches, I even saw Camy (ex F39, I forgot to mention her) with her mouth overflowing with sperm after a many positions-session. I was considering taking her, since she also allows anal, but after such a show I changed my mind.

Wow, EG the AO priest is now a prudish guy? Those kind of shows should turn you on!

I was wondering if any electronic devices (phone or tablet) might be allowed in any RTC clubs? The last time I visited the RTC clubs I was a bit bored during my recovery times (if there wasn't any good public action going on) and was told I could not use my phone at all. I was hoping to read a book or the news on it. Do any of the RTC clubs allow electronics, maybe in a designated area? I understand why they wouldn't. I'm planning on bringing a good book, in any case. Thanks to everyone who shares on this board. What a resource!

I visited grimberg and found: Katy, Magda, Micky, Sissi, Cristina, Angie, Antonia, Amira and a new face, Emanuela.

I was risking to waste a day, but luckily and unexpectedly a guy popped in and after a quickie took me to F39. I had been there for 3 hours plus, I was still virgin, I convinced myself to try this new girl in the time my friend was zimmering Angie, who currently doesn't allow anal anymore.

Emanuela must be over 35, but the body is ok, slim, still hard, much better than many younger girls in RTCs, average face.

I must say I regret wasting the time I was there without trying her before, I will surely zimmer her again in future, because she has enthusiasm, endurance, doesn't suffer, actually genuinely likes to deal with a dick, all customers are happy with her passion, which perhaps she still has because she's new in the business.

I can't say she's a reason for going there, if not else for her age and look. I mean that she clearly shows her years, giving me trouble in thinking that I'm paying an "old woman", while girls like Sabrina in Arabella (37 this year, as well as Carmen now in F39) don't show signs and are much better than girls who could be their daughters.

So, not necessary to go to grimberg for her, but if you happen to be there...

I was told that the matter of the 10 euros extra like in F39 was over after some 3-4 weeks due to records like totals of 12 men in a whole day (!), so I visited again. 15 euros HH, otherwise 30. There were 3-4 new faces for me, the prettiest and freshest one (18 yo) disgracedly working only covered. In total some 10 girls: Anita, Maja, Fanny, Veronika, etc. Lena ex everywhere was there, already highlited by me in the past, she is the only one surely worth a zimmer. You won't hunt her across clubs, but if you see her you know you have a good safety net which will save your entrance.

I gave, on her offer-request, a second chance to Lori. I accepted since she is the more attractive girl phisycally speaking. The room was decent and successful. She did what she could to please me, considering the "limits" she has, she really tried to minimize them as much as she could. Just to list a few ones: "troubled" kissing with retractile tongue and paralysis of the jaw, panick attacks when she realizes that 10-15 minutes have gone and you are still there, belief (and charges) that it is you not willing to unload, bothers regard changing positions, hurry to rush out as soon as you finish even if there is time left, etc.
I think she'd be better off in Dietzenbach, where she probably has learned "how to work". I really felt like being in Hesse and I was expecting to see theke Alice with her pout when we walked downstairs!

Then, for masochistic reasons which would better make me bang my head against a wall rather than making certain wrong choices, I tried a new bulgarian, Ana, not to be confused with romanian Oana, new as well.
Phisycally proportionate and fuckable, on the couch she allowed me the time to inform me that she was gypsy (some of them are proud to vow that, but who cares?) and sucked me not even 30 seconds before saying the magic word (zimmer).
Not having common languages, I heard only the usual 3 words which normally bulgarian girls say in the room: Komme, Schatzi, Fertig (come, honey, ready). No kissing, no sucking, no-anything, just inside somehow. I don't know how, I managed to finish, luckily in a "reasonable" unusual quick time.
The end of Dante's Divine Comedy came to my mind!

I think that the two sisters Lily and Maya have moved to Acapulco gold. There were two girls that really looked like the pictures of freiercafe.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2002194]I was told that the matter of the 10 euros extra like in F39 was over after some 3-4 weeks due to records like totals of 12 men in a whole day (!), so I visited again. 15 euros HH, otherwise 30. There were 3-4 new faces for me, the prettiest and freshest one (18 yo) disgracedly working only covered. In total some 10 girls: Anita, Maja, Fanny, Veronika, etc. Lena ex everywhere was there, already highlited by me in the past, she is the only one surely worth a zimmer. You won't hunt her across clubs, but if you see her you know you have a good safety net which will save your entrance.

I gave, on her offer-request, a second chance to Lori. I accepted since she is the more attractive girl phisycally speaking. The room was decent and successful. She did what she could to please me, considering the "limits" she has, she really tried to minimize them as much as she could.[/QUOTE]"Gypsy" are European woman, most of them are nice sweet and doing nothing bad. With the Jews they were the first to suffer from Hitler, they are part of our European history and many European people are proud of that. Many Gypsy are from Romania and due to the fact that they belong to Europe the things are strongly improving for them.

Great trip reports! Always entertaining!

Thanks Vito,

I have something that will boost up your ego: in Venus Barbara cooks only for the girls, so you are a privileged guy, possibly the only one! (differently from Myrrh, I don't scroll back, but I think I remember you wrote that she cooks for you).

I visited repeatedly, because after ages without reasons for going to Duisburg, finally in one go there were some 6-7 new faces for me. Out of the usual resident Melly, Bahar, Maria, Michaela Big Boobs and Bulgarian Marianna plus the various miscellaneous transitory "jokes of nature" with 2 holes in the middle of the legs, now it seemed by other forums and by word of mouth that the mess of monsters had turned into a place with good girls.

The first thing I noticed, which was also a reversing trend among RTCs, is that girls got slimmer! Is Barbara healthy cooking and/or imposing diets? Vito might tell!
I didn't recognize Marianna, become a flat-chested skeleton, and I thought that even Maria could be fucked!

The power of gravity has dramatically gone down, and at least one girl actually floats in the air: bulgarian Mina. She is fucking attractive, Barbara's daughter says that her service improved a lot and everyday she's topscorer. I can confirm and I would add that, breaking other established laws, in this case against those of maths, in her case if you multiply zero by x, assuming that her service improved twice or more, actually you now get something possibly close to 0,7. Not necessary to determine the maximum value of the scale.

The over-celebrated Rianna (in another forum) is at max 145 cm and maybe 35 kgs. Men really fall in line for her, tickets like by supermarket's butchers should be placed. Apart from the boobs, I couldn't find anything attractive, so I thought that it had to be about her skills.
Well, she is a good, calm, polite, honest and professional girl, stating during the interview all the limits and procedures of the menu. Since I gave my informed consent, like by the doctor, I cannot formulate any formal complain. After waiting a few hours and undergoing a couple of stolen priorities because she went to somebody sitting and waiting on her couch rather than coming to me (we had agreed she would come to me next), I was close to abandon this evidently useless experiment and leave, but my stubborness once again drew me against the wall. I would say that going with her is at least against the laws of logics.

I end up this longer first part with a girl who manages to go against the laws of market and house rules, but capable of exponentially improving her service, much more than Mina. Laura has a very pretty cheerful face, smile and eyes are great as well as her kissing. The rest of the body is fuckable and the process of getting slimmer goes ahead well. After being kicked out from Romantika for poor performing, anyway she was working very little because she worked only covered (these 2 things is what I have heard), she started giving such a good "total" service that now (the following is from my own personal experience and I witnessed) she has customers taking her 4 hours and even 7 in a row. She just came downstairs some two times to get drinks. I managed to test her, and I would recommend her without hesitation: willing to please, no refusals, no hurries, no pains, no complains, perennial smile, passion, etc.

To be continued when I have time.

You appear to be the only member going to these clubs in some time (or at least posting about visits to them) so thank you for your reports describing the (usually bleak) situation at these clubs. Glad to hear that Venus has improved. Will have to visit it when I am there in May.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2004009]Thanks Vito,

I have something that will boost up your ego: in Venus Barbara cooks only for the girls, so you are a privileged guy, possibly the only one! (differently from Myrrh, I don't scroll back, but I think I remember you wrote that she cooks for you).

I visited repeatedly, because after ages without reasons for going to Duisburg, finally in one go there were some 6-7 new faces for me. Out of the usual resident Melly, Bahar, Maria, Michaela Big Boobs and Bulgarian Marianna plus the various miscellaneous transitory "jokes of nature" with 2 holes in the middle of the legs, now it seemed by other forums and by word of mouth that the mess of monsters had turned into a place with good girls.

The first thing I noticed, which was also a reversing trend among RTCs, is that girls got slimmer! Is Barbara healthy cooking and/or imposing diets? Vito might tell!
I didn't recognize Marianna, become a flat-chested skeleton, and I thought that even Maria could be fucked!

The power of gravity has dramatically gone down, and at least one girl actually floats in the air: bulgarian Mina. She is fucking attractive, Barbara's daughter says that her service improved a lot and everyday she's topscorer. I can confirm and I would add that, breaking other established laws, in this case against those of maths, in her case if you multiply zero by x, assuming that her service improved twice or more, actually you now get something possibly close to 0,7..[/QUOTE]Barbara has cooked many meals for me. If I ask she will make a plate. She refuses every time I offer a 10€ tip.

Marianna has lost a lot of weight. I think she looks good, but I didn't bother sitting on her couch as she used to refuse me when she was really busy in the past. "I fuck too much" as if the rest of her clients just pop after 15 strokes! Not busy anymore, but my pride keeps me from her.

Mine has improved, but it's not saying much as she was barely better than a blowup doll. She used to act half retarded & now seems a bit quirky.

The tiny hobbit girl was just too busy to bother trying.

Alexandra is the only reason to visit Arabella. Antonia & jasmine still good sessions at Grimberg.

F39 gets more confusing as some girls keep changing their services from no extras (AO) then back to extras. I guess sitting on their asses with zero clients can do that. 1 girl changed 4 times during the 2 weeks I visited.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2004012]You appear to be the only member going to these clubs in some time (or at least posting about visits to them) so thank you for your reports describing the (usually bleak) situation at these clubs. Glad to hear that Venus has improved. Will have to visit it when I am there in May.[/QUOTE]Can't even find pretty girls at Sharks or Oase, so how could I in these places? If I looked for AO sex, would be easy in biggest clubs.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2004012]You appear to be the only member going to these clubs in some time (or at least posting about visits to them) so thank you for your reports describing the (usually bleak) situation at these clubs. Glad to hear that Venus has improved. Will have to visit it when I am there in May.[/QUOTE]Is there any interest to go there? For me sorry after visiting those club no. Was last week at ROM near Darmstadt because on German forums a lot of guys are reporting very positive things about it, but I left after several hours without any session and was really happy to spend my evening at Shark. Shark was clean, great sauna, good food and very impressive LU why should I spend my time in this kind of underground club with a little bit desperate girls when I can have the top for several euros more.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2004384]why should I spend my time in this kind of underground club with a little bit desperate girls when I can have the top for several euros more.[/QUOTE]You answered yourself and Sirioja too: because it is several times cheaper!

Vito, the girls say they pay The cook, you don't! You are a VIP, LOL!

I didn't visit all clubs for a few reasons. Anyway, 4 girls in Romantika, 8-12 in Verena, some 8 in Arabella didn't encourage me. The lack of stars or of supposed-to-be and / or of new faces (which were all concentrated in Venus) did the rest. I agree with all Vito said, and the sentence "you fuck too much" echoes in my ears everywhere, not only from Marianna's mouth (she'd better stuff also that cavity), which has the additional handicap of the "stuffing" and contrariety to the emptying.

It seems that, perhaps due to the new law, now clubs will not have more girls than rooms, which probably explains why:

- Venus (1), Arabella (2), Luderland (x) and Grimberg (3?) added some fick-cabins where they could;.

- all small clubs have few girls and F39 is so full.

So, not counting girls on day off, you will probably not see anymore more than 4-5 girls in Romantika, which probably you won't visit anymore, 11 in Grimberg, etc.

Also to answer a pm, I specify that, as far as I know about the clubs I visited in this trip, in Venus there is full sex in public (seen entire sessions) and at least a blowjob could be had in Luderland, but they might have changed like F39 did.

More to come.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2004727]More to come.[/QUOTE]That would be appreciated. I'll be visiting at the end of March and planned to try many of these clubs so it would be good to know what changes have happened recently. I was planning on Grimberg and Arabella in the hope that the service had not changed and then adding a few others if the mood struck.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2004727]Vito, the girls say they pay The cook, you don't! You are a VIP, LOL![/QUOTE]EasyG,

this might be another 'Corleoneism'.

Vits mate, do at least try and give us a hint when you are 'pulling our leg' won't you?

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2004727]Vito, the girls say they pay The cook, you don't! You are a VIP, LOL!

I agree with all Vito said, and the sentence "you fuck too much" echoes in my ears everywhere, not only from Marianna's mouth (she'd better stuff also that cavity), which has the additional handicap of the "stuffing" and contrariety to the emptying.[/QUOTE]Yes. I know the girls pay. I don't ask for a plate every time I visit. When venus had Antonia, Jasmine, Michaella#3/ Anais (dietz) & a couple other cute babes I used to stay all day. Now I just bang 1-3 babes & off to another place. Sometimes she puts butter & meat on bread. I don't think I'm a VIP, but I've known Barbara for 7-8 yrs or so.

You can add Ariana (Ara) & Kati (Grim) to the you fuck too much list. I guess they prefer romantic poetry & cuddling!

- Anna quite pretty, nice body and boobs, optically speaking she is a must in such an environment, you can't help noticing her. A bit on the shy-retractive side, she'll follow your instructions but without passion nor committment. I am sorry to say I don't remember anymore all the details of all the girls, for instance I think I recall nearly all of them were stuffed but agreed to extract the hated tissues. Anyway, about her I am sure she didn't let me finish in her pussy and took it into the mouth (quite passively though, I mean she didn't move tongue, lips and perhaps not even the hand, pratically she just received my heirs).

Still much better than Rianna, who wanted to receive my cum in mouth because, after discussions in the room due to my (expected and announced by me) wilting after quite a hard raising, she gave me the unbelievable privilege to pull out the bloody stuff but didn't allow me to finish inside. As I already said, she informed me about everything on the couch, so it was my stubborn choice to go ahead. Apart from my "informed consent", also the procedures in the room reminded me of a doctor, and she is quite aseptic even if she doesn't wear alb and surgery gloves. Remarkable her "kissing": just the tongue waving in open air, not even lips contact. Next time I go there I want to ask Germans what the hell they find in her and why the hell do they fall in line for her all day! Only a friend who had been with her had warned me not to have great expectations, but without giving me too many details.

- Mona (or Moni?) some 34 yo, tall, soft, proportionate but would be better wit a couple of kgs less, she wants you to be happy at all costs, possibly making her enjoy the room as well. Not stuffed, always smiling and full of enthusiasm, new in the business, she puts passion and effort, greatly committed, the positivity she continuously irradiates will make you notice her even if you are looking somewhere else or have other more eyecatching targets. Never complaining or getting tired, from the point of view of the service surely the best girl I have met this trip.

- Rebekka slim, gypsy, falling boobs but fuckable, willing to please you without complains. Ex-aequo or slightly after second best Laura, both not too far from Moni.

- Ina she's Tina from Verena, F39 and more recently grimberg. Moody, overstuffed and constantly receiving complaints from customers, she can be a hit or miss room, but her body and boobs will highly likely make you take the chance (if she doesn't get kicked out before your visit).

There is a Denisa which should be worth a room, I remember this now because I just read a post about her in freiercafe. I don't remember why and how I didn't zimmer her, to be honest I am not sure about who she is, anyway I will next time. And there is a MILF, Nicole, with tall slim body, the problem is her face and her rabbit teeth, but for 30 euros you may want to try the experience and see if your dick can go through that gate, LOL!

So, plenty of choice but also plenty of men, bell always ringing, girls come and go from the rooms continuously, the very most of them doesn't stay alone 5 minutes on the couch and Rianna and Mina have waiting lists beyond the men waiting on their couches (also because you may have trouble in finding an empty couch to sit, some men stand waiting). Atmosphere is uncomparable to the other dead empty small clubs.

Updated to last week, surely Venus is the club to go to.

Always great to hear of the sufferings you endure in the Quest for the unstuffed pussy.

Standing around in VV would be the pits.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2005874]Always great to hear of the sufferings you endure in the Quest for the unstuffed pussy.[/QUOTE]I had forgotten to ask for removal, so when I pushed into Ina I thought I had broken the cover of (and entered) a packet of Kleenex!

Heroe Jimi had his musical experiences and his foxy lady, I decided to have my experience in deep Ruhr, remembering MSV Duisburg which was a good team, Gelsenkirchen Schalke 04 , Bochum, are. W. Essen and Wuppertal where I remember a great match between RFA and Sweden in Worldcup 1974 with a wonderful goal from Ralf Ekstroem versus Sepp Maier. Now, BVB, of course, with magic stadium, Bayern can't compete on this point.

Clubs like Venus, Arabella, Verena really don't worth 30 € because very low level for services and no real foods. On Saturday, I spent from 11 am to 5 am at Aca for 30, with breakfast, 3 times eating good kebab, preparing my drinks all along. But I asked many times, but never got any answer, I knew Esmeralda. Bu Freude, Mina. Bu Venus fired from Aca Gold, but too fake blond, Beatrice. Ro Freude and Mariana. Bu Venus for only average look, but I found a really pretty Romanian girl who would have been my first choice for my last visit on a Friday at big Sharks and also another pretty with beautiful green / grey / blue eyes Romanian girl. Both were really GFE and sensitive in room, more than 30 mn spent with a lot of foreplay and DFK, for only 30 €. The first one asked me to DATY her to make her cum, the second was a real volcano and didn't want to let me leave Verena, kissing me at desk, blond woman on desk was laughing, maybe she didn't want I went to play under big rain back to home, but it was really fun with Germans, Porsche couldn't play. No AO sex for me, but 2 pretty surprises for cheap rate.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2007103]I decided to have my experience in deep Ruhr, remembering MSV Duisburg which was a good team, Gelsenkirchen Schalke 04 , Bochum, are. W. Essen and Wuppertal where I remember a great match between RFA and Sweden in Worldcup 1974 with a wonderful goal from Ralf Ekstroem versus Sepp Maier. Now, BVB, of course, with magic stadium, Bayern can't compete on this point.[/QUOTE]Haven't no idea what this has to do with P6 and FKK clubs but nevertheless some corrections. The worldcup 74 game RFA and Germamy was in Duesseldorf and the name of the Swedish scorer was Edstroem. And Bayern won't change Allianz Arena against Signal Iduna Park.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2007103]Snip. I found a really pretty Romanian girl who would have been my first choice for my last visit on a Friday at big Sharks and also another pretty with beautiful green / grey / blue eyes Romanian girl. Both were really GFE and sensitive in room, more than 30 mn spent with a lot of foreplay and DFK, for only 30 . The first one asked me to DATY her to make her cum, the second was a real volcano and didn't want to let me leave Verena, kissing me at desk, blond woman on desk was laughing, maybe she didn't want I went to play under big rain back to home, but it was really fun with Germans, Porsche couldn't play. No AO sex for me, but 2 pretty surprises for cheap rate.[/QUOTE]You found two girls to your standard at Verena? That is high praise. I will have to be sure to go there on my next trip.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2007176]You found two girls to your standard at Verena? That is high praise. I will have to be sure to go there on my next trip.[/QUOTE]I mean for look, 1 at Verena Dortmund. Also saw Alice. Ro who was also quite pretty face there before. The other, at Venus Duisburg, who is really pretty for my tastes, prettier than fake blond Mina. Bu with pointing tits. Another also at Venus, tall, slim, sitting just near towels was also not so bad look. No Mariana. Bu seen on this time.

Good surprise for look, real GF in room who seem to enjoy my foreplay and sex over the 25 mn for only 30 asked. Both asked, showing me condom, I asked them to give me, to put it by myself. I said to my Venus girl she could work in any normal club in Germany. At the moment, she would be my girl at Sharks or Oase, for my visits since September.

Unfortunately, bad level clubs, same for Arabella Bochum with ugly girls, and bad rooms, so you can't enjoy to take all your time in room, to contemplate beauty in daylight or beautiful light. Club at Moers is also bad level. Freude is higher for club. 30 € entry is too expensive for these clubs services, 100 for Globe worth more for services for me.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2007174]Haven't no idea what this has to do with P6 and FKK clubs but nevertheless some corrections. The worldcup 74 game RFA and Germamy was in Duesseldorf and the name of the Swedish scorer was Edstroem. And Bayern won't change Allianz Arena against Signal Iduna Park.[/QUOTE]When I'm in Germany, my experiences are not only about brothels. Each time, I go to GT or PHG, I try to go to Nordpark to remember the modern football German team when I learned to play football as a child. At this time, Bayern couldn't compete with my beloved forever Borussia, as the most faithful devil, same than with girls. At this time, Bayern couldn't buy all the best German players, as Bonhof, Schuster or Stielike, like now.

You are right, Ekstroem. Su is Mattias, one of my favorite pilot, my big mistake. In Sweden 1974 versus Germany, were goalkeeper Ronni Hellstroem playing I think also for Kaiserlautern and Ralf Edstrom who might also played in Bundesliga. I thought they played in Wuppertal and I always kept this town name in my mind. Same than remembering match when DDR defeated RFA, with Sparwasser, when Magdeburg was a great team.

Just my child memories, between brothels visits in deep Ruhr.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2007213]When I'm in Germany, my experiences are not only about brothels. Each time, I go to GT or PHG, I try to go to Nordpark to remember the modern football German team when I learned to play football as a child. At this time, Bayern couldn't compete with my beloved forever Borussia, as the most faithful devil, same than with girls. At this time, Bayern couldn't buy all the best German players, as Bonhof, Schuster or Stielike, like now.

You are right, Ekstroem. Su is Mattias, one of my favorite pilot, my big mistake. In Sweden 1974 versus Germany, were goalkeeper Ronni Hellstroem playing I think also for Kaiserlautern and Ralf Edstrom who might also played in Bundesliga. I thought they played in Wuppertal and I always kept this town name in my mind. Same than remembering match when DDR defeated RFA, with Sparwasser, when Magdeburg was a great team.

Just my child memories, between brothels visits in deep Ruhr.[/QUOTE]Fine nice childhood memories that's ok, but why waste here server and user capacity with sharing your childhood memories. Should be enough you have these memories for your alone, believe me that isn't selfish. So really you can keep them for yourself when you driving with 250 km through Germany.

BTW would be difficult for good soccer childhood memories for French teams. St. Etienne was beaten in Champions League twice 75 and 76 in final and semi final by Bayern and French National Team started later with Platini for top class level.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2007326]Fine nice childhood memories that's ok, but why waste here server and user capacity with sharing your childhood memories. Should be enough you have these memories for your alone, believe me that isn't selfish. So really you can keep them for yourself when you driving with 250 km through Germany.

BTW would be difficult for good soccer childhood memories for French teams. St. Etienne was beaten in Champions League twice 75 and 76 in final and semi final by Bayern and French National Team started later with Platini for top class level.[/QUOTE]I think you like football like me and I write only about German teams or players, but can't forget Neeskens, Krol and Johny Metgod. NL, among my idols. When brothels are closed, from 5 am to 10 am, when people sleep, other pleasures to experience.

France defeated RFA with Sepp Maier in 1977.

I'm always surprised so many guys need to read me, to speak about me to girls, to speak about me to Danny Atlanta after I had only 1 room with her, she also couldn't understand guys speak about me. Just my own experiences and nobody will never live my passions. Just because I m different, also with girls, and I'm proud to be.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2007202]I mean for look, 1 at Verena Dortmund. Also saw Alice. Ro who was also quite pretty face there before. The other, at Venus Duisburg, who is really pretty for my tastes, prettier than fake blond Mina. Bu with pointing tits. Another also at Venus, tall, slim, sitting just near towels was also not so bad look. No Mariana. Bu seen on this time.

Good surprise for look, real GF in room who seem to enjoy my foreplay and sex over the 25 mn for only 30 asked. Both asked, showing me condom, I asked them to give me, to put it by myself. I said to my Venus girl she could work in any normal club in Germany. At the moment, she would be my girl at Sharks or Oase, for my visits since September.

Unfortunately, bad level clubs, same for Arabella Bochum with ugly girls, and bad rooms, so you can't enjoy to take all your time in room, to contemplate beauty in daylight or beautiful light. Club at Moers is also bad level. Freude is higher for club. 30 entry is too expensive for these clubs services, 100 for Globe worth more for services for me.[/QUOTE]So what is it with you, again mentioning girls that weren't there and "keeping" the girls you did like secret. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

I guess you're talking about Ina and Riana, since Anna mostly sits elsewhere. For the record, no on here beliefs you go there for non AO sex. Didn't you say som time ago that it is the only reason to go to RTC clubs?

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[QUOTE=FreeDude;2007458]So what is it with you, again mentioning girls that weren't there and "keeping" the girls you did like secret.[/QUOTE]I'm allowed to drive again in Germany since end of December and no news about Polizei about criminal complaint for driving without being allowed, for more than 2 years, but I didn't know I was not allowed and German Polizei had to make sure I understood, to respect my European rights, but they didn't, writing only in German to a French living in France, so, as they had to send me back earlier my driving licence, it would be quite easy if any criminal complaint. Answer: no respect of European rights, making sure You understood your prosecution.

Anyway, I thank you for your best wishes, I don't need to wish to anybody bad things, like I don't need to know with which girls you go and what You do with girls, just because I don't care about what you do or write, I m able to live my own experiences, but I would prefer to crash rather than catching and living or dying with HIV. I never visited Dietz yet, but I visited Anjelique in Viersen, then moving to Moers, Freude Bochum, Arabella Bochum, Verena for BVB Dortmund and Venus for MSV Duisburg. I really enjoyed my drive from Velbert through the Ruhr to remember my memories and under big rain when leaving Dortmund to Leverkusen, Audi versus Porsche boxter, then Panamera S, then Cayenne turbo S.

About AO sex, I had no problem to get at Sharks without extra, only for 100. I could have at World, GT, LR and Samya. I think I can have if I ask for, without any extra, but only my manners, so why taking big risks after so many guys in AO clubs? At Verena, she said to me on couch she doesn't work without condom, showing me condom, I felt safer. When she was kissing me, not letting me leave and making smile desk woman, I said to her I would try to come back, for her beautiful eyes and great behavior, before, in, over 25 mn but no more asked than 30 even on first time, and after room, from a quite pretty and lovely girl, I could go with, in big normal clubs. At Venus, she is really pretty for my tastes, that s just enough for my pleasure and I enjoyed she asked me to DATY and finger her to make her cum, with a cup of cyprine.

After Megan was too many times bullshit about me, I don't name some girls to avoid some readers go to speak to them about me, but everybody should be able to find own girls, rather than speaking about other guys, without being able to have same behavior and manners with women. I think they both found me very different from other clients, like Lucy. De, or Alice. Ro back at Globe.

I'm counting down the days until my next Germany trip and want to make sure I have my facts correct about the current state of RTC clubs.

Freude charge 25 E entry, 30 E sessions, 10 E for extras and currently have a good sized lineup. All the rest are 30 E entry + 30 E sessions and still AO inclusive?

Grimberg.
Arabella.
Verena.
Romantika.
Luderland.

I believe that Airport and Annabella are closed?

I'm not worried about happy hour, if I happen to get there at the right time that's just a bonus. I doubt that I will go to Villa Venus or La Luna as I have too many places to check out.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2004012]You appear to be the only member going to these clubs in some time (or at least posting about visits to them) so thank you for your reports describing the (usually bleak) situation at these clubs. Glad to hear that Venus has improved. Will have to visit it when I am there in May.[/QUOTE]On a recent visit to Venus I was struck by the fact that they had removed ALL of the photo / name cards of the girls. This must have been a very recent move because EasyGoing didn't mention it and he is normally the gold standard when it comes to reporting on these kind of things.

This is the first time that I have been to a RTC club before where all of the photo-cards were removed and it made managing the visit much more difficult. A bit like asking a sniper to shoot by instinct without the benefit of his telescopic sights.

Many of the girls, particularly the more attractive ones, disappear sometimes for what often seems like hours so you could find yourself plugging the best girl that you see there only for a couple of far more attractive ones to turn up whilst you are away. Of course if you had known that there were potentially better ones around then you might have been tempted to wait.

Myrrh. I never managed to identify any girl from the photos, so it's no loss for me. Probably a function of my eyesight rather than anything else.

I gather that Larissa is no longer at VV?

How was your visit?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2011669]I'm counting down the days until my next Germany trip and want to make sure I have my facts correct about the current state of RTC clubs.

Freude charge 25 E entry, 30 E sessions, 10 E for extras and currently have a good sized lineup. All the rest are 30 E entry + 30 E sessions and still AO inclusive?

Grimberg.
Arabella.
Verena.
Romantika.
Luderland.

I believe that Airport and Annabella are closed?

I'm not worried about happy hour, if I happen to get there at the right time that's just a bonus. I doubt that I will go to Villa Venus or La Luna as I have too many places to check out.[/QUOTE]Yes and you forget to say they will fall in love, let us be serious all the clubs you are mentioning are the low end one, may be it will be good but most probably not so I advice you to visit some better one.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2012144]Myrrh. I never managed to identify any girl from the photos, so it's no loss for me. Probably a function of my eyesight rather than anything else.

I gather that Larissa is no longer at VV?

How was your visit?.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately with no name cards it was difficult to keep track of which girls were actually there. Although a dozen or so were supposed to be there that day there were only 3 to 4 in the lounge at any given time. These were heavily outnumbered by the 10 to 15 guys sitting around looking miserable who were often forced to sit two to a settee even though they did not know each other. Plus 2 or 3 more guys downstairs in the sauna or lying on the benches outside it.

Did a trip to Leverkusen, same setup as the other RTC clubs but nice as it used to be an FKK. Globe. As usual the girls are a mixed set with a few good lookers. The cards show bad photos so you don't recognise the girls. Most importantly the service has not changed!

And full sex in public still goes on.
Unfortunately no new faces for me, but I tried Lisa and she was good beyond my expectations, her face is not that attractive, but if she smiles is ok. For the rest, Sofia ex-everywhere is back with too many kgs more, Seline is back as well but left her arsehole at home, she brought her ass back with a tattoo on her buttcheek which in those low lights looked like a bunch of pimples.
11 girls, few men even after 7 pm happy hour. One visit of a few hours is more than enough IMHO.

Hello,

I have a question regarding RTC clubs.

I know RTC women may not have attractive looks but with higher service than other Sauna clubs.

I have never tried RTCs, if I only want to experience one time, which club will you recommend?

I speak zero German, so need a club that receptionist and working women can communicate in English.

No other limits.

I like to explore new things.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2015375]Seline is back as well but left her arsehole at home[/QUOTE]So no more anal with Seline?! Shame.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2015375]I tried Lisa and she was good beyond my expectations.[/QUOTE]Yes, I found her to be good too I'd have tried someone else but the best girls were taken around midday.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2015378]Hello,

I have a question regarding RTC clubs.

I know RTC women may not have attractive looks but with higher service than other Sauna clubs.

I have never tried RTCs, if I only want to experience one time, which club will you recommend?

I speak zero German, so need a club that receptionist and working women can communicate in English.

No other limits.

I like to explore new things.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Dietzenbach. Alice at the front desk and most girls do speak English. While strictly speaking not an RTC, it is essentially the same and the club with by far and away the largest number of girls who speak English. I am always very surprised how in the NRW clubs, a girl able to speak English is very much the exception-I am eternally grateful to my parents for signing me up for German classes when I was in school (admittedly, a very long time ago). It has greatly facilitated my mongering career.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2015586]Dietzenbach. Alice at the front desk and most girls do speak English. While strictly speaking not an RTC, it is essentially the same and the club with by far and away the largest number of girls who speak English. I am always very surprised how in the NRW clubs, a girl able to speak English is very much the exception-I am eternally grateful to my parents for signing me up for German classes when I was in school (admittedly, a very long time ago). It has greatly facilitated my mongering career.[/QUOTE]In NRW Grimberg, Luderland and Arabella are good. I don't know more than a few words of German but not had a problem. Just show up with the entry price in hand, and then you will probably find that most girls speak a little English.

Don't expect to stay all day like an FKK, it's more a do your business and leave, people will either hang around for another session or leave.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2015378]Hello,

I have a question regarding RTC clubs.

I know RTC women may not have attractive looks but with higher service than other Sauna clubs.

I have never tried RTCs, if I only want to experience one time, which club will you recommend?

I speak zero German, so need a club that receptionist and working women can communicate in English.

No other limits.

I like to explore new things.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hello Solo Travelers,

I am not Germans and speak no words of German. Well I know a few words, but I am not able to make a correct sentence. I am not an english native speaker, but I have an average level, good enough.

I know those RTC: Grimberg, Arabella, Venus, Verena and the Freude39. I visited each one of them several times. Oh and I forgot another RTC near Frankfurt (in Dietzenbach), but I visited it only once. Not as much as some people here, because I live outside Germany. If you permit me to give you a piece of advice, I would suggest the Freude39. There is much more girls that any other FKK-RTC that I've cited above. So if you go there, my opinion is that you improve your chances to find a girl who speak english, just enough to ask for the services she provide.

But well, you should not limit yourself to only one club. You must visit others as well, to forge our own idea! .

I was just checking FKK Airport and Annabella and they are indeed, closed for repairs.

Anyone know where Sussi from Dietzenbach (and from Arabella's) went? I was told she left late January from Dietzenbach.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2015388]So no more anal with Seline?! Shame.[/QUOTE]I don't believe she is just restricting it to some guys she is feeling quite confident with them, I have 2 girls like that at Oase that just do anal with a limited number of customers and never agree about it before being in the room and check the size of the penis. The young and pretty girls are not desperate to earn money so they can choose their customers and what they will do with them. Last time 2 black men ask me to introduce them to a girl that I know very well and I tried to convince them that she will no go to the room with black men, difficult to explain that to them, they tried alone and were rejected.

I was at Villa Romantika this morning at 10:00 am and NO Happy Hour!

There were only 4 girls (Maya, Nicolleta, Monika, and Lina) for the entry fee of 30! I took everyone but Maya. Still feel like I wasted 30! No food except apples and soda.

I ended up finishing the day at Arabella's and did the whole house except Maria.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2020057]I was at Villa Romantika this morning at 10:00 am and NO Happy Hour!
I took everyone but Maya.

I ended up finishing the day at Arabella's and did the whole house except Maria.[/QUOTE]Recently at a RTC I visited I found that they had removed all of the girl's photo and name cards leaving visitors with absolutely nothing to work on. I thought it was a strange move at the time but probably understandable now if they are coming across indiscriminate customers like yourself who bang the girls no matter what they look like.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2020089]Recently at a RTC I visited I found that they had removed all of the girl's photo and name cards leaving visitors with absolutely nothing to work on. I thought it was a strange move at the time but probably understandable now if they are coming across indiscriminate customers like yourself who bang the girls no matter what they look like.[/QUOTE]I'm not too sure if that's meant as an insult but I'll let that one slide (meaning, I won't kick your arse if I see you).
Who I go with or the reason for it is no one else's business but my own (just like I don't say, "Why the hell did ___ go with that whale?" even though I had every opportunity to say so but I'm not a dick!).
If I know the woman at the front desk well in some of these places, I feel more generous and session with more girls. If the woman at the front is a mean witch who yells at everyone, I don't go back to that house until it's okay. I do leave houses off of my trip that I don't like due to situations (such as Villa Venus and Villa Verena) but that's because of how things are run. Villa Venus is in a bad neighborhood and I would have to park somewhere safe if I dare go there while Verena just didn't have any girls that were worth sessioning with so I left that place really early!
I was going to do a field report right now but I guess I'll do it much later when I'm in a better mood.

Remember Lily from Villa Venus and M-Exclusiv, Buldern? (the one with the albino pussy and had a sister also working).

Well, she was in Arabella on March 26 as Maya (but no picture on the card). She told me her sister went back to Romania. She seems a lot happier now. I forgot to check if her picture is still in M-Exclusiv!

If you drive down to Buldern, you might miss it even with a GPS! Depending on the direction you are coming from, it's a few meters outside of town (but before the next town).

My GPS told me that I had reached my destination but I saw nothing but a gas station! I circled back and realized the house is behind the gas station (the gas price is more expensive than the gas station inside the town of Buldern)!

So I got there at 11:05 am, which the admissions is 4. 99€ (Happy Hour). The thekefrau didn't know much English so I pointed what I wanted on the TV monitor (that had the special prices 1 x 40€,2 x 70€,3 x 90€,4 x 100€). I picked the 4 x 100€!

[B]Monica[/B]

Immediately, I chose a girl I haven't seen in the RTC for quite a while! I first saw this girl during my first visit to Arabella's back about two years ago. I heard she went to Freude 39 for a while and then disappeared. Here she was at M-Exclusiv as Monica (I know there was another Monica here once but it's not that one! She is petite, pale skin, dark black hair, and hazel eyes. She was as lovely as I remembered her back in Arabella's (but with better lighting in this place). She was new to this place and I went upstairs with her.

The usual "Mit gummi" or "No gummi" was asked but she knew which one I chose after recognizing my face! Her pussy was still tight, which made me cum inside her much quicker. I really enjoyed that session!

[B]Ruby[/B]

She's been with M-Exclusiv for quite a while (since 2013, I believe). I provided an old picture (see attached picture) and she still looks the same! She's quite tall and still has light brown hair. She's covered (so "Mit gummi") but I didn't care. The session was okay, not spectacular, but okay.

[B]Donna[/B]

Dark haired, not too chubby but not thin, Donna looks okay, She has a nice face but she made me do most of the work during sex. I had to come outside of her body ("No spritzen in here") which was fine. Wasn't that good but not bad for 25€.

[B]Monica[/B]

I was allowed to do her again for my 4th session. Great session! I like how she grips my dick with her pussy!

Anyway, I couldn't get a club card (not a resident) and any extra session is 40€ (and I can't do another 4 x 100€ says the thekefrau) so I left in the late afternoon. I decided to see the other M-Exclusiv at Mnster but it look deserted (no cars). I didn't bother going in.

That's it for that day.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2021722]Remember Lily from Villa Venus and M-Exclusiv, Buldern? (the one with the albino pussy and had a sister also working).

Well, she was in Arabella on March 26 as Maya (but no picture on the card). She told me her sister went back to Romania. She seems a lot happier now. I forgot to check if her picture is still in M-Exclusiv![/QUOTE]Indeed I do, WanderingGoo.

I recall my first ever visit to Venus. As it was a completely new place for me I loitered by the cafe machine taking my time making a coffee whilst using the opportunity to scan the room to get an idea of the layout of the place and more importantly what kind of girls were there. I had only been at the machine about 30 seconds when this girl started calling out Hello, to me repeatedly and then asking if I needed help. Before I answered she had sprung to her feet and had come over to show me how to work the coffee machine. She had a cute little bob haircut and a quirky grin like she had no teeth. It was Lily and she 'happened' to be sitting at the front row when this new guy walks in. It was a bit embarrassing to be shown how to work the cafe machine but I let her carry on making a fuss over making me a coffee whilst I sneaked little glances at the other girls in the room.

After she had made me the coffee she asked where I was sitting. Well nowhere, as I had just walked in. Before I could answer she pointed to the couch where was sitting and said that I should sit there. Now although I was new to Venus I wasn't a complete RTC novice and knew that you shouldn't sit with a girl unless you definitely had intentions of going with her. But again, before I could do anything she had already made the decision for me and walked over to her couch with my coffee pulled across a side table from another couch and plonked my coffee on it. Then she sat on the couch and patted the space beside me indicating that I should sit there. I was aware that the eyes of some of the other girls were on us so rather than embarrass her by picking up my coffee and walking away I decided to play along for the time being. Maybe we could have a little chat and I could find out some more information about the club and the girls.

I sat down on the couch deliberately leaving a sizeable gap between us and turned my back on her to take a few sips from the coffee on the side table. When I turned back suddenly the club had gone dark and something was blocking out the light. It was Lily's face. In the few moments that I had taken to drink my coffee she had closed the gap between us on the couch with one arm sliding slyly along the top of the couch behind me. Now with her face only cms from mine she was moving in for the kill, about to part my lips with her tongue for a deep, lingering French kiss.

Things were moving too fast for me and I jumped off the couch standing there like a startled gazelle. I could hear laughter coming from some of the other girls who had been watching and when I looked back at Lily she had a little, sheepish, wistful look on her face as if to say 'well now that didn't quite go according to plan did it'. From the looks of the other girls it seemed like they had seen this routine by Lily a few times. I was left standing there like a schoolgirl on her first date who had no idea that the guy was going to try something on. Anyway, I decided to have some time out, picked up my coffee and wandered around a bit before finding a spare couch.

Later after sizing up the other girls I realised that Lily was actually one of the better options looks wise. Slim, unlike many of the other girls, with a face which was a little cute. I thought I would probably have enjoyed seeing that bob haircut going up and down on my knob. So, I eventually chose her and teamed her up with another girl with a tattoo with a long inscription about her mother across the top of one of her breasts, whose name I can't remember.

In the room both girls bent over the bed for some doggie and Lily was particularly dry and tight, gasping as I entered. Then it was time to flip one of them for missionary. Lilly duly got on the bed and spread her legs which was when I got the shock of my life. A startlingly bleached ultra-white pussy. Everywhere else on her body was a normal skin tone except for the entire area of her pussy which had the colour of white mink. She must have seen the gob-smacked, horrified expression I had because her face fell and she looked completely crestfallen as if here was yet another customer who couldn't get over the fact that she had a little deformity. I quickly composed myself and smiled and said it was OK as I didn't want her to embarrass her over something that wasn't really her fault. It's OK? She asked and the cute little grin was back on her face. But it wasn't OK really. It kind of killed the mood for me and after that I concentrated mainly on the other girl in order to finish.

I was kicking myself for not noticing this before taking her to the room given that I had sat with her and seen her for a while in the club. But then I realised that she had always sat with her legs crossed when she was sitting naked on the couch. Then when she got up she would rise with her legs still crossed in the manner of a woman with a very short skirt on who doesn't want to reveal her panties. Also, she would walk around with the towel held in her hand just in front of her to shield her pussy from view.

On subsequent visits I would usually see her there and although I found her reasonably cute looking and she was always friendly I never took her again. Unfortunately, perhaps because of my lack of sophistication or maturity I am just unable to see past her deformity. It is not a big deformity but of all the places for it to be!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2022334]Indeed I do, WanderingGoo.[/QUOTE]Here's a link to a photo of Lily. Face, not pussy shot I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1982766]Prizes for guessing what name she was called before, what club she used to work at and where she is working now?

Plus, what was so special about her that made her grab the attention of any man whenever she chose to uncross her legs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2022410]Here's a link to a photo of Lily. Face, not pussy shot I'm afraid.[/QUOTE]Maya (Lily) had no picture on her card (just MAYA on the card). I was looking at the line up and she came up to me from behind (because she recognized me from the three times I was ever in Villa Venus, two of which I did her on full display on the couch while the other I did a threesome with she and her sister). I usually overlook imperfections like Vitiligo because it's not contagious (I was actually looking up WebMD on my iPhone downstairs in Villa Venus just to make sure back then). She looks better than the picture but I think M-Exclusiv used a different picture than that (with the house background) when she and her sister were working there.

That day in Arabella, it was easy to do the whole house (except Maria). There was Ariana, Alexandra, Carmen (who actually slimmed down a little bit), Sonia (part Indian, part Romanian), Sabrina, Anastasia, Emma (skinny new girl that only does covered), and Maya (Lily). I think the girls that were present looked halfway decent (except Maria). I probably would not have done Anastasia and Sabrina had I not known them for two years.

Two girls left (Erika and Amira) after one had a stomach ache (I think Erika had the stomach ache).

So why do I try to do as many as humanly possible? It's because of those stupid condom laws that will be enforced! I don't know what's going to happen with these RTC places after July but I might as well make the best of it now at the 30€ price before it goes away!

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2022166]If you drive down to Buldern, you might miss it even with a GPS! Depending on the direction you are coming from, it's a few meters outside of town (but before the next town).

My GPS told me that I had reached my destination but I saw nothing but a gas station! I circled back and realized the house is behind the gas station (the gas price is more expensive than the gas station inside the town of Buldern)!

So I got there at 11:05 am, which the admissions is 4. 99 (Happy Hour). The thekefrau didn't know much English so I pointed what I wanted on the TV monitor (that had the special prices 1 x 40,2 x 70,3 x 90,4 x 100). I picked the 4 x 100!

She's covered (so "Mit gummi") but I didn't care. The session was okay, not spectacular, but okay.[/QUOTE]Can't believe this place is still charging the outdated 1234 X pricing structure that virtually all of the other RTCs eventually gave up on a couple of years ago. It is a complete and total punt with your money into the unknown unless you can find out with surety before you enter what the girls look like and what they are prepared to do.

Travelling all that way into the outbacks to end up having full AO sex with just one girl for me would have represented a complete and total waste of time and money even if the sex worked out at 26.25 euros per girl, once you had taken into account the low entrance charge. This place with it's club card and non-English speaking theke seems geared only towards locals. I am sure that if you were a local that you would have had no trouble getting full AO spritzen with all the girls.

I was aiming to visit as many of the RTCs as possible before July but this particular place and it's sister club are going to remain firmly off the radar.

I was thinking of going to villa Venus the first week in June any ideas if AO will still be offered and any better places to get it easy and cheap. I have been here once before as it was easy and worked out well.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2023550]Can't believe this place is still charging the outdated 1234 X pricing structure that virtually all of the other RTCs eventually gave up on a couple of years ago. It is a complete and total punt with your money into the unknown unless you can find out with surety before you enter what the girls look like and what they are prepared to do.
I was aiming to visit as many of the RTCs as possible before July but this particular place and it's sister club are going to remain firmly off the radar.[/QUOTE]I'm glad there were pretty girls here during my visit. This is actually my 2nd time at M-Exclusiv (the last time, my sessions were ruined by this pushy fat girl, Simona, who jumped on my penis while I was just sitting down)!

When M-Exclusiv II- Club Haus was around, there was free admissions and the 1234 x pricing. I waited for the girls to come out (I asked the male bartender to call them out) and they were all ugly! The bartender said, "We have food!" and I saw a fly leave one of the open sandwiches at the exact moment I turned my head to see it! Then I walked out the door. One of the ugly girls touched the back of my neck to nudge me out faster and they closed the door on me. I felt so horrified with Club Haus that I drove to Freude 39 as fast as I could! Raissa was still there at that time so I felt better.

[QUOTE=Johncr04;1995123]I was wondering if any electronic devices (phone or tablet) might be allowed in any RTC clubs? The last time I visited the RTC clubs I was a bit bored during my recovery times (if there wasn't any good public action going on) and was told I could not use my phone at all. I was hoping to read a book or the news on it. Do any of the RTC clubs allow electronics, maybe in a designated area? I understand why they wouldn't. I'm planning on bringing a good book, in any case. Thanks to everyone who shares on this board. What a resource![/QUOTE]All the FKK clubs I've been to don't allow you to openly use electronics like phones or tablets B/ C they're afraid of you taking pictures or w / e.

This week extra large sized posters have been going up on the walls of the RTC clubs with ominous warnings to patrons concerning their future conduct.

The exact translation is beyond the capabilities of this particular visitor who is unable to even count from one to two in German. However I can reveal that there are parts of the warning written in capital letters and in red ink (with exclamation marks)!

The bits that I can recall:

Draussen! (Outside).

Internet.

Positive other negative.

Hausverbot (house ban).

Piecing it all together, it would appear that word has reached the RTC owners that various internet scribes have been talking sh* about the girls that are working in their clubs. When exactly it has come to their attention is not clear because as we know this has been happening for some time, probably from when this whole forum first started? Identified offenders may be left waiting outside the gate to hear that familiar buzzing noise from the electronic lock which may never seem to come for them.

So from now on my reports will be about the flower arrangements and lighting in the clubs and the food that is provided, and nothing else.

The owners are trying to ban bad reports from boards but what is a lot more important, they don't want any AO reports anymore as it will cause trouble for the clubs from July.

HB.

[QUOTE=JhRogers17;2024765]All the FKK clubs I've been to don't allow you to openly use electronics like phones or tablets B/ C they're afraid of you taking pictures or w / e.[/QUOTE]That may be the rule generally but I've used my phone in quite a few places in NRW, openly in Living Room, Golden Time and Acapulco. I've walked into Golden Time with a tablet in my hand, the staff could easily have stopped me and they didn't, I've also seen the odd guy with a laptop. Other clubs have places where it's not a problem in areas like the garden or reception, and yes I've seen signs elsewhere that phones are Verboten.

Woops! Just realised which section I posted in. RTC clubs are different and any club where the girls walk around nude will be more restrictive.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2025715]This week extra large sized posters have been going up on the walls of the RTC clubs with ominous warnings to patrons concerning their future conduct.

The exact translation is beyond the capabilities of this particular visitor who is unable to even count from one to two in German. However I can reveal that there are parts of the warning written in capital letters and in red ink (with exclamation marks)!

The bits that I can recall:

Draussen! (Outside).

Internet..[/QUOTE]Not same problem about new law, but Sharks short Turkish manager was said by a German guy who dreams to make me being fired from Sharks, I write bad reports about Sharks, but he failed, I m still welcome to pay entry and with girls I choose when I find one fuckable among plenty of GND. Money is business.

New law may not help German clubs and WGs there, business. YY NL may become BBBJ Eldorado, for 50.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2025812]The owners are trying to ban bad reports from boards but what is a lot more important, they don't want any AO reports anymore as it will cause trouble for the clubs from July.

HB.[/QUOTE]I would understand about AO reports but this isn't the only forum that ever mentions this (there's also the ones in German that I could easily access at any free wi-fi place). Anyway, no problem with that! If they ask not to mention it, I won't mention it again in reports!

About the reports on some girls, if they're good, people say good things about them and others want to try them! I know I've tried some girls based on good reviews of some girls (usually I agree but then other times, I wonder if I'm fucking the same girl they gave such a rave review of)! But if there are girls who try to cheat people or rush the time, people have to be warned about them! No one wants to be the victim of being cheated (especially some of those who are first timers) because that person would have a bad impression of the club as one bad experience can ruin a whole day at any place!

Take that new girl, Nicole, from Freude 39, for example. She starts off cheating customers, and even tells her friends about it. Cindy and other girls, who may have heard Nicole brag about it, tried to do this to some people and then you have several girls in Freude 39 trying to cheat people and thinking that they can get away with it! The day I first saw Nicole, she went in the room with several customers but I noticed each person she went with (after I tried her), she looked at her money that she was given and demanded more from the customers, which they grudgingly gave out and then left right away out of anger! You should have seen some of their expressions on their faces! Nicole would go back to her couch and (with a smile) start talking to the girls (where laughter follows as if she did something and got away with it)! Even if Nicole's customers are the "one and done" type of people, no one wants their "one" to be a bad experience because those people might not want to return there again! There are other RTC places within a few miles and they can go there instead! If that was allowed to continue, Freude 39 would lose business from angry customers!

As far as the forum goes, warning others helps people avoid the bad girls who give people a bad impression of the club. It also humbles some of the girls who tried to cheat people and then they stop doing that. Take Cindy as that example. Even though she usually tries to persuade people for more time (30 minutes instead of 20), she never tried to cheat people until she was influenced by Nicole. Ever since some of the customers (not just me but I did persuade a few of the victims to come forward) reported the problem girls to management, Cindy stopped trying to cheat customers and is back to normal!
Now if you tried Cindy at the beginning out April and you didn't get cheated, you're welcome! The problem was reported and taken care of before it became out of hand! I'm sure Cindy's business will pick back up again as she seemed to be okay when I last saw her.

Maybe Nicole still works there but I doubt she'll try to cheat people after being reported to management! The last time I saw her, she wasn't talking to the other girls and was alone (where the first time I saw her, she was socializing with some of the girls as if they were best friends)! One has to wonder, is making an extra 20 to 30 euros cheating each of your customers worth it if you will no longer have any customers or friends (because your co-workers would stay away from you) if you're reported to management? Being new, she doesn't have enough "satisfied" and loyal customers like Cindy has to actually have returning customers but who knows? Maybe after this humbling experience, she might bounce back and be one of the good ones later on. People change and others are forgiving so anything is possible!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2025878]That may be the rule generally but I've used my phone in quite a few places in NRW, openly in Living Room, Golden Time and Acapulco. I've walked into Golden Time with a tablet in my hand, the staff could easily have stopped me and they didn't, I've also seen the odd guy with a laptop. Other clubs have places where it's not a problem in areas like the garden or reception, and yes I've seen signs elsewhere that phones are Verboten.

Woops! Just realised which section I posted in. RTC clubs are different and any club where the girls walk around nude will be more restrictive.[/QUOTE]Oase let's you use the phone almost everywhere. It's not being a fully nude club or not, generally it's more or less NRW sauna clubs only (with a fe exceptions) who allow to use you phone all over the club.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2026064]Oase let's you use the phone almost everywhere. It's not being a fully nude club or not, generally it's more or less NRW sauna clubs only (with a fe exceptions) who allow to use you phone all over the club.

HB.[/QUOTE]I see people go to the outside area with their iPhones at Arabella and Romantika. Another person I saw had an iPhone near the couch by the restroom at the front of Arabella as well. I don't know if that's really allowed though.

The only time I saw the thekefrau say anything was when an old man had his iPhone light on while I was with Bonnie (from Freude 39) out in the open and fucking her (almost as if he was recording us) when she was at Arabella the previous year. The thekefrau didn't find any videos or pictures of us though but you can never tell who's recording you at any time with their iPhones!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2025885]Not same problem about new law, but Sharks short Turkish manager was said by a German guy who dreams to make me being fired from Sharks, I write bad reports about Sharks, but he failed, I m still welcome to pay entry and with girls I choose when I find one fuckable among plenty of GND. Money is business.[/QUOTE]One foreign man was given a prohibition from club Wellcum in Austria since he write bad review in several forums about the club. The club knew the connection between his club name and him and his reports held much sway over the foreign clientele who frequent Wellcum.

Here it is! I hope posting this doesn't give away anyone's identity (especially my own)!
I wonder if the owners will be reviewing their security footage to see if anyone with an iPhone taking a picture of this sign in the Men's locker room of Freude 39 just to expose me?

[u]Anyway, roughly translated, it says:[/u]

Hello forum colleagues.
Who writes, who remains.

[B]OUTSIDE !!![/B]

The ladies do not want any reports about themselves on the Internet.
Neither positive nor negative.
We ask you to respect this.

All the writers, who continue to spread their sick garbage, are exposed and will be
[B]Banned![/B]

A cavalier enjoys and is silent.

In this sense.
Have fun,
and be nice to each other.

That sign if pretty clear that the club does not want reports written on the internet.

These clubs know clients attend only because of AO sex provided, which will be forbidden on 1st July. These clients won t go anymore if no more AO sex, so it will become undercoat, in closed rooms, after 1st July. Better and easier to keep on this business, if no more reports about AO sex or BBBJ provided, just meeting pretty, sweet, dreamed girls. Just be clever enough guys, and good pleasure will go on with girls who need business and money. That s why, as they ask me, I never write about my rooms with my regulars, only lovely behavior in a beautiful room, more is private between her and me.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2026680]That sign if pretty clear that the club does not want reports written on the internet.[/QUOTE]It may be a co-incidence but have you notice that the sign was put up in Freude 39 not long after I reported about that new girl, Nicole, trying to cheat customers, to this forum?

Management needs to ask themselves if they need to keep the trouble making girls who are cheating some customers and ruining their business due to dissatisfaction or should they ban those trouble making girls and keep both the honest girls and their customers happy?

Sometimes, one bad session for a customer by a cheating and dishonest working girl can ruin the customer's whole day and then he leaves the club frustrated and angry! Any potential business that customer might have with other working girls that day are also ruined because of that one dishonest working girl who thought of no one but herself! Now if the customer was a first timer, he might get the wrong impression about the club thanks to that one dishonest working girl! Nicole had a lot of customers that day and I observed (after I went with her) that they were unhappy and most of the left the club without going to other the girls!

Despite being reported, Nicole was given another chance but she is watched by management (any more complaints and she's out). If she feels she's treated unfairly due to a bad field report on this or any other forum. She has herself to blame! Forum writers usually tell rave reviews of the girls and if she decides to be a dishonest cheat, she must suffer the consequences of other people knowing what she did so that they can avoid her or approach her "with caution" whenever they see her. So why not play fair with your customers? The biggest reward is that your customers come back to you happy instead of pass you over because there are other girls in the club that are honest and will not take advantage of you!

I have to admit, lately, I've been skipping over that little section of couches by the other drink station just to avoid those girls because of Nicole (even though the girls rotate where they sit). Maybe they have suspicion on who I am but aren't too sure (which is why I haven't been banned yet) but taking a picture of the sign in the locker room might have given me away (if they review any security footage)! There's also another sign by the Kino door entrance but too obvious! I'll keep visiting like I always do but will not do any more field reports (good or bad, but usually good) unless there's another dishonest working girl who's trying to rip off customers!

For each report here, there are dozens on local forums. In addition to that the locals make up 95% of the clients. I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't even heard about ISG there.

You may be right WanderingGroo, but I think that FreeDude has a point here. I am not sure they ever heard about ISG.

And I think Sirioja makes another very good point: They no longer what someone to report AO. As a consequence, they want to be no longer associated with it, after the law takes effect in July. I guess we must read between the lines here: please stop report AO or make reference to it, even vaguely / remotely / indirectly or even with hidden allusion to it.

1. Timing:

The new law does not come in to being for at least another 2 months. Why should we cease all discussion of AO sex in the clubs immediately when it is not illegal in any way shape or form to creampie all the girls in a club right now after enjoying a BBBJ from them and won't be all the way up until 23:59 on June 30th? By agreeing to the wishes of the clubs right now we are missing out on 2 months of highly useful AO reporting when we don't really need to.

2. Total reporting ban.

The clubs want us to report absolutely nothing about the girls in the club, "neither negative or positive". So a total reporting black out. Why? They are using the fact that there is concern about the new law to blackmail or bully us into agreeing to not making any comment about what happens in the club with the girls. Therefore if you want to know what is happening in the club, like whether there any attractive girls and what services they provide, then the only way to find out would be visit the club yourself and part with 30 or 40 euros for the privilege. I doubt whether the club will give you your money back if you are disappointed with your visit. A disappointment along with your wasted money and time that you could have avoided if you had read a report about the club.

Usually if I visit a club then I won't be able to visit another club that day if I am disappointed because the clubs take time to travel between using public transport and I can't afford to spend money on two entry fees plus extra tram / train costs. 30/40 euros entry doesn't sound a lot but it is the type of money that I often spend on a hotel room in Germany for the night!

3. In English please.

I think some guys are flattering themselves if they think that club owners are eagerly reading their reports on ISG and immediately taking action on the basis of them. Unfortunately these clubs are geared completely towards locals who provide maybe 99% of the trade coming through the door. Which is why the warning on the posters in the clubs was posted in German and no other languages. If the club owners really want me to follow any directives from them then they should at least do me the courtesy of posting what they want me to do in a language that I have a chance of understanding. Or if they really thought that ISG reports are a particular problem for them then why not come on here and state their case? At least this would force them to explain their position in English and not German.

I think I told you of the time some old German guy who says he reads all the forums including International Sex Guide but he also claims he's part owner of these FKKs like Arabella, Annabella, Grimberg, etc. About one or two years ago.

Also, another time ISG was brought up was when some British person was looking at his iPhone at GoldenTime and one girl (I forgot her name but I think it was Nadja) said to that man, "Don't look at that site! Bad site!" and then I said, "Wait! What's your name?" and she kept saying she's better than what was said about her in the site. As a sucker, I went with her and found that she was okay (not the best but okay). Then I took out my iPhone when we got to the locker and went to ISG and looked her up and saw that she had rave reviews and I said to her, "You have good reviews, you're not bad at all!" and she just smiled.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2027501]I think I told you of the time some old German guy who says he reads all the forums including International Sex Guide but he also claims he's part owner of these FKKs like Arabella, Annabella, Grimberg, etc. About one or two years ago.

Also, another time ISG was brought up was when some British person was looking at his iPhone at GoldenTime and one girl (I forgot her name but I think it was Nadja) said to that man, "Don't look at that site! Bad site!" and then I said, "Wait! What's your name?" and she kept saying she's better than what was said about her in the site. As a sucker, I went with her and found that she was okay (not the best but okay). Then I took out my iPhone when we got to the locker and went to ISG and looked her up and saw that she had rave reviews and I said to her, "You have good reviews, you're not bad at all!" and she just smiled.[/QUOTE]For me what is important is to get global infos about LU, ratio men to women etc. But I never will choose a girl because of the report, the chemistry between people is the key to have fun in the room and this cannot be bought. Some of us like porno stars, other more romantic and GFE, in the big clubs there are always enough girls to find the right ones.

I really hope we don't have a board war where half of the posters are yelling at the other posters who post about AO.

If you choose to not post about AO that's just fine. It's your decision. But if we get a bunch of self-appointed enforcers, the outcome will only be a huge increase in noise. And that will have the general effect of turning off those with truly useful information.

In other words if if BB-whatever becomes a forbidden topic, the board loses value. And if those who post about BB-whatever are incessantly attacked for doing so, the board loses value. *That* is the most likely damage to be done.

On the other hand I doubt posts on this board will do much actual damage to the clubs. Guys tend to have an inflated sense of how important to others these boards are. Anonymous posts on a board have little to no legal weight for direct prosecution. And as "clues" that the authorities might follow up on? The local authorities don't need English-speaking tourists to tell them about the sex clubs in their own back yard. They already know, and will continue to know, what goes on in given clubs.

And I suppose I'm just dreaming to think that folks will have discipline as to what gets posted where. But it sure would be nice if all the posts about "to post AO or not" were made in the General Info topic and not a dozen different place specific threads.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2027894]And I suppose I'm just dreaming to think that folks will have discipline as to what gets posted where. But it sure would be nice if all the posts about "to post AO or not" were made in the General Info topic and not a dozen different place specific threads.[/QUOTE]Why don't we have our own little code? Let covered sex be called "lousy Merkel" and bbj and uncovered sex be called "no lousy Merkel"!

For example: "I had a great time at Arabella and Grimberg with my favorite girls and no lousy Merkel to interfere with my sessions!

"The new girl at Arabella insists on having lousy Merkel during sex. ".

Just a thought!

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2027993]Why don't we have our own little code?

Just a thought![/QUOTE]Great idea. You post the key to the code here in public for everybody, we use the code and nobody will know you are writing about BBBJ or BBFS.

HB.

Freiercafe already took their AO clubs forum posts down about 2 days ago.

Damn! That's one of the few sites I can access at McDonald's free internet (I can't access ISG there)!

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2028239]Freiercafe already took their AO clubs forum posts down about 2 days ago.

Damn! That's one of the few sites I can access at McDonald's free internet (I can't access ISG there)![/QUOTE]Try with a VPN can work, or by a Ortel SIM card quite cheap and use the hotspot.

Even if you believe that we should stop making posts about AO in the clubs, stopping the posts right now when AO in the clubs is not banned in any way is like paying your tax bill months before you need to thus missing out on a significant amount of interest that you could otherwise have earned. Simply silly.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2028239]Freiercafe already took their AO clubs forum posts down about 2 days ago)![/QUOTE]Yep that's true. Quite sure other German boards will do the same.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2028239]Freiercafe already took their AO clubs forum posts down about 2 days ago.

Damn! That's one of the few sites I can access at McDonald's free internet (I can't access ISG there)![/QUOTE]They actually deleted all forum they had about RTC clubs. Completely. The new law (effective July) can't be the reason for that.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2028484]They actually deleted all forum they had about RTC clubs. Completely. The new law (effective July) can't be the reason for that.[/QUOTE]Why not the new law? Clubs aren't allowed anymore to make ads for BBBJ or BBFS. And reports at boards ofc are ads for clubs and for BBFS and BBBJ and FC is financed most likely from clubs. And therefore to avoid trouble with the clubs FC deleted all AO club reports. And is it only RTC clubs? What about for other AO clubs like DVR or LaLuna?

Because the law is effective July. The clubs will adjust their advertising and service. Nothing illegal there. So why delete the respective forums on a P6 board?

HB.

Think I posted about this before. Decided to try Grimberg again. Apparently does have a new "no negro" policy. Not sure if that's management, or whatever idiot-chick answers the door. But this is twice, both times a girl I had never seen before (been there a few times). First time however the lady who takes the entrance fee came to the door and refused to let me in. Odd since she knows me, and has happily taken my money in the past Maybe someone complained? Same thing happen at goldentime (my fault tho) should have researched it better. Intermittently happens at Living room.

Odd thing happened at F39 yesterday. A girl who always had a "no chocolate " thing in the past. Decided I was OK and F'd my brains out. She said the girls talk and have decided I'm "good".

At any rate, weird few days. Happy hunting.

Because of the warnings given by the owners on the club probably. The threat of "hausverbot" if you write about those clubs on a board.

Freiercafe removed some years ago all the posts about bareback.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2028579]Because the law is effective July. The clubs will adjust their advertising and service. Nothing illegal there. So why delete the respective forums on a P6 board?.[/QUOTE]For the same reasons as was already discussed on this board about 18 months to 2 years ago when Friere cafe banned AO posts but did not remove whole RTC forum threads. Don't you remember, Hubba?

It could be possible under the new law for the authorities to go after the media through which AO paid sex is being promoted / facilitated as well as the actual clubs where the AO activity is taking place. If the forums for the RTCs and AO clubs are still operational then discussion and promotion of AO paid sex may still carry on using code or euphemisms. The authorities could potentially take action against the forums through censure, crippling fines or blocking the sites if they feel that these sites are allowing / facilitating this.

These sites like Friere Cafe just don't want the hassle and know that if they pull entire RTC / AO club threads / forums then there will be no possibility that they could be infringing the new law. There is plenty of business that they have already through discussion about other clubs like 'normal' FKKs. Discussion of BBBJ in the FKK threads could still infringe the law but everyone knows that it is the places that specialise in wholesaling BBFS activity which the authorities are really concerned about.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2028736]For the same reasons as was already discussed on this board about 18 months to 2 years ago when Friere cafe banned AO posts but did not remove whole RTC forum threads. Don't you remember, Hubba?

These sites like Friere Cafe just don't want the hassle and know that if they pull entire RTC / AO club threads / forums then there will be no possibility that they could be infringing the new law. There is plenty of business that they have already through discussion about other clubs like 'normal' FKKs. Discussion of BBBJ in the FKK threads could still infringe the law but everyone knows that it is the places that specialise in wholesaling BBFS activity which the authorities are really concerned about.[/QUOTE]No I do not remember, I don't read there.

The new law applies to Germany, to all clubs, so reports about BB or BBBJ are a problem. So they (like every other board) will have to make sure that it is not reported about anymore. No matter which club, apartment, escort, street hookers. Did they shut down the board or delete other forums? No the didn't. Just some, all with the same owner. Coincidence?

HB.

As you might know the management of the RTC chain (Like F39, Arabella, etc) ORDERED Freiercafe to remove all posts of their clubs from FC website. So it was not initiative of FC but from RTC management.

So, the new law did is not directly the cause of this, but probably indirectly it is, since RTC management wants to be clear from any possible damage far ahead of the July 1st deadline.

*ORDERED = friendly representation of what really happened, it might also be translated to threatened.

They should ask themselves how it could happen that a club owner can order them to remove posts. I didn't want to spread it out here, just tried to make clear that it was not the new law which led to that decision.

HB.

On my whistle stop tour of various offerings from the sex providers (gangbangs, apartments, saunaclubs, no streetwalkers as they have been hounded almost out of existence ) I thought I ought to revisit a rtc.

Arabella was quiet. Unlike Living Room the same day there was a shortage of men. I get the general impression that Myrrh was right when he said that German men are already running shy of the new law

The business concept of 30 euro entry for no food or comfort is unattractive compared to 60 euros or less for a day with food and comfort at a non rtc club.

There were about 8 girls with photo cards by the desk. The Theke Frau was relaxed and welcoming. The girls generally could not compare with the top 25% at Living Room, apart from one girl who was young and super slim..Absolutely top level looks. Unfortunately she stopped working just after I arrived: maybe unwell, I don't know. I had been recommended Alexandra but she was absent.

I went with Amira. Anyone who knows my tastes would be surprised at my slightly overweight choice. The session was absolutely top rate, which is what I have always found in rtc. DFK enthusiastically, and she had an orgasm within ten minutes. This is the sort of service I aim to get but seems to be increasingly rare in the big clubs.

I gave her the asking price of 30 euros plus a 10 euro tip, for which she did not ask.

Worth every euro. Which is why I object to being told in Sharks that 50 euros only buys fuck and suck or that spending 500 euros a day is not much

What time did you get there?

Alexandra usually leaves like 5:30 pm or 6:00 pm sometimes, but then again, sometimes one or two of the girls have errands to run on some days.
Ariana and Alexandra are my two favorites (yes, I like them thin with a cute face)!

Wandering. The Theke Frau said Alexandra had a free day. The slim girl (Ariana) left about 14.00.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029482]Arabella was quiet. Unlike Living Room the same day there was a shortage of men. I get the general impression that Myrrh was right when he said that German men are already running shy of the new law

I went with Amira. Anyone who knows my tastes would be surprised at my slightly overweight choice. The session was absolutely top rate, which is what I have always found in rtc. DFK enthusiastically, and she had an orgasm within ten minutes. This is the sort of service I aim to get but seems to be increasingly rare in the big clubs.

I gave her the asking price of 30 euros plus a 10 euro tip, for which she did not ask.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.

Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2029534]My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.

Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping?[/QUOTE]Not rare you just need to know the girls, Saturday one of my regular girl told me 5 times thank you because I was able to make her come obviously it took me a long time and energy.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2029534]My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.

Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping?[/QUOTE] Mea culpa. My sins are discovered :) Frailty thy name is Optimist.

Quite right. I always campaign against tipping for the reasons you say. But like all rules there are times to bend them. Maybe I should not have but I did as the service (if not the looks) was at the top of the pyramid.

You are right: I am almost fanatical in my objections to up selling and the effect of tipping on the eco system. I do tip occasionally but increasingly rarely.

As for numbers, LR and GT were heaving on the same day having the advantage of good outside areas and food.

I think your view that some German men appear already to be changing their behaviour in advance of July 1 may be correct

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029668] Quite right. I always campaign against tipping for the reasons you say. But like all rules there are times to bend them. Maybe I should not have but I did as the service (if not the looks) was at the top of the pyramid.

You are right: I am almost fanatical in my objections to up selling and the effect of tipping on the eco system. I do tip occasionally but increasingly rarely.[/QUOTE]I wasn't criticizing, Opti, as I myself have tipped on a few occasions before but a very long time ago when I first started going to these clubs. Guys however may take the view that it is their own money and they should be able to do what they please with it, without being preached to.

What I've found personally is that there is zero benefit to me from tipping. The girls are rarely truly appreciative and they never remember your largess for any length of time. The normal reaction is one of " Well OK, if he wants to give me extra then I would be a fool not to take it". The sort of reaction that you would give if you were walking down a street and there was some guy handing out free DVDs on the street corner. You would take as many as he is giving away but halfway down the street you wouldn't even remember what he looked like. Your thoughts would be turning to whether there was another giveaway around the corner. This is essentially how the girls think.

The only possible advantage for tipping I think is that it makes you feel good in the moment. The empowerment feeling that you get because you have the money and therefore the power to make the girls really happy. But the girls are only happy for a few minutes before their thoughts turn to finding the next customer. There is also the moral 'high' that you get because you think that you are 'doing good' in some way. But we are supposed to be mongers, not do-gooders.

There were girls who I have tipped before and when I return to Germany they smile when they see me. But it soon becomes clear that they smiled because they remember my face and the fact that I had visited before and was now returning but had clearly forgotten that I had given them a tip in the past. These girls see so many guys per month, per week and even per day. They quickly forget.

Unfortunately tipping does not fit well with the German low cost consumer culture. In Germany 30 euros is a hell of a lot of money. Especially for these girls. You can stay in a hotel for a day or eat for a week on 30 euros. If these girls are getting a minimum of 4 or 5+ customers every day at 30 euros each then they are earning way above the German pay average. The girls that I tend to be attracted to are the ones with at least this sort of turnover. Tipping them would not have much effect as they are already making more than enough money. You just need to be able to grab them when they become available and be ready to point and shoot when you get the opportunity so they can be on to the next.

On one of my first visits to these RTCs I gave a 5 euro tip to thekefrau when leaving the club and she gave me a look of concern, almost panic, as if I had misunderstood things and thought that I had to pay on the way out as well the entrance fee. So tipping is not expected or needed in these places.

On another occasion I had gone with several different girls over a few visits to a particular club. One unattractive girl kept pestering me each visit because she saw me going with other girls but always overlooking her. Unfortunately she was just way too unattractive to contemplate engaging, not even for a mercy fuck. On one visit when I was leaving I felt a bit sorry for her so I handed her a 20 euro note. I expected an excited reaction but she looked at it suspiciously as if to say 'what's this for? She had reasonable grasp of English so I told her it was a tip but she just shrugged her shoulders as if to say 'OK, whatever!" and stuffed it into her handbag without another word.

The only way tipping would work for me is if I had the tendency to see the same girl all the time. If she performed particularly well on occasion then I would give her a tip. This would keep her trying hard in the hope of a bonus. However if I got into the habit of regularly tipping her then she would come to expect it whatever happened. So sex would end up always being more expensive than it would do otherwise.

However I get my thrills from trying completely new pussy. Usually a repeat visit with a girl is never as exciting as the first time around when you are experiencing something new. Rather than going with a few girls and paying each well I would prefer to go with many girls and pay standard rates.

If you are a big tipper the other girls may not always find out and give you special attention. Girls do not always boast to others about how they got extra money and it may be in their interests not to, in case the other girls find out and start targeting that girls 'cash cow'. However if a guy goes to the rooms often with different girls then this always get noticed by the other girls. They will assume that this guy is a big spender and will be positioning themselves so that they can be the one chosen next.

A guy who sifts through the girls carefully and never pays more than what he needs to so that he gets value for money is respected by the girls, because he is seen as sensible. However, a guy who throws his money around needlessly is seen as just a bit of a fool who the girls will have plenty of fun tak.

Myrrh. I know you weren't criticising. I think I agree with every word you say. I don't think tipping buys any better service, especially at clubs like Sharks. It may, especially if the girl is nice, make her more comfortable with you when you repeat.

I usually tip when I really appreciate a girl. I have even, hours after a room finished, given a girl a 50 because she had repeatedly had sessions with me which overran but she didn't charge for. However this attitude has almost disappeared now, and girls even demand tips!!

This time I tipped Amira because I was so pissed off with the princesses at Sharks who tell me that 500 spent on them is not much money!

If you read the Sharks thread you will see there are guys who, being saviour of girls, are proposing a minimum charge of 60, or even 100. As if the girls weren't making a fortune. One girl at Venus once gave me the details of her earnings and spending and saving:she was a lot better off than me, even doing 30 euro sessions.

Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it. I tipped in Haus Panthera when one of the girls let me pass the 30 minutes mark a few times without asking more.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2031725]Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it. I tipped in Haus Panthera when one of the girls let me pass the 30 minutes mark a few times without asking more.[/QUOTE]When foods are not good, girls enjoy chocolates. One of my very regular like very much and eat between clients. A sweet time for her.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2031725]Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it.[/QUOTE]2 weeks ago, I saw a guy take out many large trays of Ferrero Rochers from his travel bag. I was wondering whether it was for:

a. A single girl, who would likely be plump after consuming so much chocolates.

b. Many girls, which means that he was planning to do about 4-5 girls that evening.

c. Selling / passing on to other customers who have listened to your advice for use on their own girls!

Chocolate given out to all girls present means the girls talk you briefly outside the normal potential customer perspective. I think it works well in smaller clubs.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2032062]Chocolate given out to all girls present means the girls talk you briefly outside the normal potential customer perspective. I think it works well in smaller clubs.[/QUOTE]Works in all clubs. Even if others deny that. ;)

HB.

I forgot to say: bring good chocolate, not those awful Ferrero!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2032073]Works in all clubs. Even if others deny that. ;)[/QUOTE]I don't deny that it works in all clubs, but it doesn't work on all girls. LOL.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2032157]I don't deny that it works in all clubs, but it doesn't work on all girls. LOL.[/QUOTE]You can replace the chocolate by banknotes this for sure will work with all girls.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2032095]I forgot to say: bring good chocolate, not those awful Ferrero![/QUOTE]I like Ferrero, but for my more than 1 year and half regular, only Swiss chocolate. She seems to like and Im happy when she eat, even I know she is sex superwoman.

I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.

Thought you might be interested to know about this.

[QUOTE=FNature;2034794]I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.

Thought you might be interested to know about this.[/QUOTE]Sorry but all this is cheating, don't trust any of this checking just go and visit a doctor in any serious hospital in Europe, USA, Australia. But please not China, India etc. And ask him about how to protect yourself about HIV.

[QUOTE=FNature;2034794]I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.

Thought you might be interested to know about this.[/QUOTE]This must sound as about as re-assuring as a patient letting his dentist know that he brushes his teeth at least once every month.

I expect the reason why you haven't seen it before (and why I haven't seen it despite dozens of trips to different RTCs over the years, sometimes spending all day there) is because it is so infrequent.

I noticed on a recent trip to Villa Venus that after I had chosen the girl and we have gone to the room that she suddenly excuses herself and says she has to go to the bathroom.

I am then left waiting on the bed for 5 minutes or more before the girl returns. Sometimes the wait is so long I begin to think that the girl has changed her mind. This is a bit of a passion dampener especially if you had built up the urge to go with a girl and then are just left in limbo.

After the girl returns and gives a blow job, it is time for sex, but I found that they all routinely got out large tubes of gel and applied some of it to their pussies before offering to apply some to my penis. I always refuse.

Then when the sex begins it is immediately apparent that they are extremely slushy. More slushy than can be accounted for by the application of gel to their pussies that I saw in the room.

Basically, you then have to spend many minutes of hard fucking to 'dry' them out a bit before you start getting any real friction. That is if your dick hasn't started wilting long before then.

Has anyone else noticed this? It seems like a very cynical attitude to customer service that the girls at this particular club have decided to universally adopt and if it continues I may decide to leave this place off future tours of the clubs.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2043139]I noticed on a recent trip to Villa Venus that after I had chosen the girl and we have gone to the room that she suddenly excuses herself and says she has to go to the bathroom.

I am then left waiting on the bed for 5 minutes or more before the girl returns. Sometimes the wait is so long I begin to think that the girl has changed her mind. This is a bit of a passion dampener especially if you had built up the urge to go with a girl and then are just left in limbo.

After the girl returns and gives a blow job, it is time for sex, but I found that they all routinely got out large tubes of gel and applied some of it to their pussies before offering to apply some to my penis. I always refuse.

Then when the sex begins it is immediately apparent that they are extremely slushy. More slushy than can be accounted for by the application of gel to their pussies that I saw in the room.

Basically, you then have to spend many minutes of hard fucking to 'dry' them out a bit before you start getting any real friction. That is if your dick hasn't started wilting long before then.

Has anyone else noticed this? It seems like a very cynical attitude to customer service that the girls at this particular club have decided to universally adopt and if it continues I may decide to leave this place off future tours of the clubs.[/QUOTE]Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2043274]Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have a oversized dick? Yes when the girls doesn't know you she will put lube, or for a 50 euros session. If you book her for a long session obviously she not, even you are her first customer of the day just to please you and to make you return to her. The girls are not stupid and they perfectly know what the men like.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2043274]Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.[/QUOTE]Maybe I haven't been going to this place often enough to notice, but I had always thought that the time for the girls to go and wash their cunnies was after they had finished with a guy and not just before so that the guy is left lying there waiting on the bed with a hard on. I find the girls in other clubs just go straight to the room and get right down to it, perhaps pausing briefly to spit in their hands and rub it on their pussies if they are a little dry. The dousing of the pussy with gel by the VV girls so that you can hear loud squelching noises whilst you shag reminds me of what hookers in London used to do which is one of the reasons I stopped mongering there.

About 15 girls, with a couple of slim, nice looking, plus one pregnant girl, and a range of other sizes. I went to catch up with a couple of ISG members.

Was a very short visit, arriving at 8. 00, paying the 30 entry, and by 10.00 the Theke Frau and separately a girl, were coming round saying that it was "last orders" !.

My arrival was delayed by trying to arrange an incall at an apartment, but this proved as difficult as ever, with nothing but number unavailable messages.

Nothing to add about the club. Entry at 30 gets you a shower and a towel, cold drinks, a biscuit or two, and somewhere warm to sit, including a small yard. The naked girls don't approach but sit on the sofa awaiting the call. Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).

No problems parking on street. I was a bit concerned after the car break ins on several occasions a few years ago, but I guess that's all past.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2045291]About 15 girls, with a couple of slim, nice looking, plus one pregnant girl, and a range of other sizes. I went to catch up with a couple of ISG members.

Was a very short visit, arriving at 8. 00, paying the 30 entry, and by 10.00 the Theke Frau and separately a girl, were coming round saying that it was "last orders" !.

My arrival was delayed by trying to arrange an incall at an apartment, but this proved as difficult as ever, with nothing but number unavailable messages.

Nothing to add about the club. Entry at 30 gets you a shower and a towel, cold drinks, a biscuit or two, and somewhere warm to sit, including a small yard. The naked girls don't approach but sit on the sofa awaiting the call. Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).

No problems parking on street. I was a bit concerned after the car break ins on several occasions a few years ago, but I guess that's all past.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I don t go in a club with a LU of 15 girls this is a ridiculous number compare to big Hessen clubs.

Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2045463]Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.[/QUOTE]I don't believe it will be forbidden, as long you use condom and the girl is registered (if new in the business otherwise she have time until 1st of Jan.).

[QUOTE=Optimist;2045291]Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).[/QUOTE]The statement that 'the service remains as good as ever' I think is a relative one. Relative to 'normal sized' FKKs then yes. But my experiences at VV recently of waiting with a stiffy on the bed for several minutes for the girl to return before squelching away on top of her for another 10 minutes or so, like I am marching with Wellington boots through a muddy, cow field, is my giveaway that this place does not provide particularly good service compared to other RTCs.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2045463]Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.[/QUOTE]Nicole is her name and she is not looking particularly good to be honest. Horrible, sticky out teeth which look like the sort of teeth that the props manager on the Austin Powers film set would have rejected as being totally unrealistic. Plus a mullet hairstyle straight from the 70's /80's.

I could not believe my eyes when I saw her walking round with a stomach which was swollen well beyond the bounds of the normal seal pup body types that many of the girls in these RTCs are sporting. Nipples were thick and engorged too. She saw me looking at her and gave me an inviting smile and I was more than tempted because banging a pregnant woman bare is not something that you get the opportunity to do every day of the week. But there was something slightly sick about the scenario of adding my baby batter on top of the baby's head which made me a bit hesitant. To be completely honest though it was the fact that she was not really attractive which truly put me off.

It clearly shows that she must really need the money to provide for little junior's future welfare as to why she is still at it so late in the game. But I would advice you to hurry as she looked like she was just about getting ready to pop.

Ahh. So she is pregnant. I spent most of my stay wondering whether it is pregnancy or just really weird extra weight that totally spares the hip areas. And of course I could not think of a way to ask without looking like a fool if the answer was that she was not pregnant.

She looks about 6 months pregnant.

As for attractiveness, it is subjective, but in my opinion it is a face that only a mother could love.

About Villa Venus, it seems to be one of the few places where you pay first up front before sex. I wonder if there were a lot of "dine and dash" people in the past, or did people used to get robbed there and then couldn't pay for the girl after sex?

I remember waiting for quite some time in the room (about 5-10 minutes or so) after we book the time and the girl left to freshen up first. Sometimes I lose the erection and mood during that wait. When she asked, "What's wrong? I felt awkward and didn't know what to say (when I really wanted to tell her the waiting is a downer)!

I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.

Thank you.

Thanks to both of you for the portrait, I think I'll pass on this one. And I won't be there before mid July.

Myrrh. Exactly the point I was making about service. No one asks for 200 for a hour for the service which here is only 30% of that cost. As you say, the choice is very limited if you are after a really good looking girl.

[QUOTE=BCTravel;2045692]I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Really? Well you are in the right place at least, just keep reading all the posts in this thread to get the names.

[QUOTE=BCTravel;2045692]I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]After July 1, I don't know. At least the admissions and the price of sex will be still cheaper than the regular FKKs at 30-40 Euros instead of 50 (or more for extras) Euros.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2045668]About Villa Venus, it seems to be one of the few places where you pay first up front before sex. I wonder if there were a lot of "dine and dash" people in the past, or did people used to get robbed there and then couldn't pay for the girl after sex?

I remember waiting for quite some time in the room (about 5-10 minutes or so) after we book the time and the girl left to freshen up first. Sometimes I lose the erection and mood during that wait. When she asked, "What's wrong? I felt awkward and didn't know what to say (when I really wanted to tell her the waiting is a downer)![/QUOTE]At last corroboration from another member (a regular member of only 2 previous posts) of the observation that I made several days ago, that the girls at VV are deliberately making punters wait for several minutes in the room on their own with a stiff whilst they 'freshen up'. Which to all intents and purposes means they are taking the time without being observed to squirt as much gel up their cunnys as it can hold so that when the guy is fucking them the girl doesn't feel a thing (and neither does the guy).

I haven't noticed this before at VV, although to be honest I have only visited sporadically over the past couple of years or so, but it seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon. Or at least only recently that the girls have all decided together that they would adopt this ploy. All four girls that I went with on a recent visit all adopted this tactic and I haven't noticed it at other places like Arabella, Grimberg and F39.

As for DMD's reporting that he had to pay for his sessions in advance, I can comment that this has only ever happened to me once at an RTC and that was a a year or so ago and again at Villa Venus, no where else. I was so surprised at the time when the girl asked for money in advance that I even went and checked with thekefrau who confirmed that this was the requirement. I avoided this club for a long while as a result and on my next visit the procedure was back to normal.

Also this club is still not bothering to display the photos or even the names of the girls that are working on a particular day. Something that I reported a while back. So it is difficult for the visitor to make the most from his visit. For example, checking the appearance of the girls on duty before deciding whether to part with the entrance fee or deciding whether he should wait to see if a girl that he knows is on duty becomes available later. Apparently the name card display cabinet became damaged and they have simply decided not to bother replacing it, even though all the other similar clubs have this.

In many ways this place provides cynically poor customer service compared to the others.

Not to mention the problems with damage to cars left outside the club. On my last visit a patron mentioned that his car wing mirror was maliciously bent and twisted by a passerby although his car was not broken into.

Paying upfront. Not at Venus this week when I went.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2046353]Paying upfront. Not at Venus this week when I went.[/QUOTE]Thank gawd they don't do that again! I mean, it makes me, the customer, feel like I can't be trusted. It's also a mood killer (other than the wait time before sex).

I went with 3 girls at Villa Venus last week.

All 3 had me wait in the room for about 5 minutes before coming back and getting down to action.

None of the 3 asked for payment upfront and were paid as usual at the safety deposit boxes after the time together.

I went with Ina, Marissa and Alexia. All were quite pretty to me, with Ina probably being the best looking one with amazing super firm and perky B / C cup tits (the benefit of being only 20 years old with no signs of post-baby damage). Marissa was by far and away the most enthusiastic in bed.

Went to Villa Venus last week. GPS was my best friend, putting me right at the front door around 2030. I parked 50 feet away. The area is very industrial, but no one was around. I had not heard of any car issues beforehand, or I would have been more worried.

Walked up, rang the bell, got buzzed in. Very nice, slim, naked girl opens the door and shows me to the counter. I pay my 30 entrance fee, drop my valuables in the small locker upstairs, go downstairs to put my clothes in the big locker, shower, come back up wearing my towel and a smile. I scan the place, and see only 5-6 girls. And only one girl I'd like to take to a room, the girl who opened the door. I sit for a while on the couch one away from her in order to keep looking around. A few other girls come and go, but again, I only want one.

I get up and sit next to her. She introduces herself as Larissa from Romania. Thin, small breasts, maybe 165 cm. Long black hair. Pretty face, but her teeth could use some work. No tattoos. In seconds, she's kissing me and stroking me under the towel, and yes, I want to go to the room. She goes to get the key and comes back immediately In the room, we lay down towels. If I am remembering correctly, she never leaves the room. The only reason I mention this is because of recent posts where people have brought this up. Excellent BBBJ. She puts a little bit of lube on her hand, maybe the size of a pea? Rubs it in. Excellent sex in multiple positions with good eye contact, moaning, soft touching. Overall, an excellent session. Clean up, she leads me to a separate bathroom where we both wash up. Back to the locker where I hand her the paperwork. This is after the session, and the only reason I mention that is because of other recent posts. Fabulous way to spend 30. Hug and kiss goodbye.

I go back and sit on the same couch. No other ladies I'd like to see. Two guys are sitting on a couch on the other side of the room. I think one is an ISG member I have exchanged some PMs with a couple of times. Feeling like a kid in school, I introduce myself and sit on the next couch over. We have an interesting conversation over the next half hour or so. I notice the pregnant girl and am a bit shocked. I did not get a look at her face, so cannot comment. Suddenly, the management tells us that they are closing soon. Really? It's not even 2200! Oh well, the others have to leave, but I want one more session.

I sit next to Diana from Romania. Tiny girl, can't be more than 145 cm. But she's got the curvy body of a woman, pretty face, nice breasts. She kisses me then says we should go to the room right away since everyone has to leave. No problem. Again, she does not leave the room. Again, just a little bit of lube. Very nice session. Her BBBJ and Asian cowgirl are fantastic. Flip her all around into every position I can think of. She's so small and flexible! Pay her at the lockers afterwards.

I am the last guy in the building. I take a quick shower, get dressed, gather all my stuff, thank the ladies still present, and leave. No issues at all at my car. Again, I mention this because of other posts.

I had a very good time at Villa Venus. 90 very very well spent. I was honored to meet a couple of members here of long standing. The lineup was pretty small, and I was not very impressed. I roomed with the only two worthwhile, IMHO. That being said, I wasn't expecting a long line of Victoria Secret models, so I am not complaining.

Hadn't been feeling well early this week, but was running out of time in FKK land, so I figured I'd try Freude 39. GPS dropped me right at their door with no problems around noon. Rang the bell, got buzzed in. Paid my 30 entry, was given a towel and two keys, one for small locker upstairs, one for big locker downstairs. Went down, undressed, took a shower, and changed.

Came back up to have a look around. Overall, was not very impressed with the lineup. Maybe 10 girls, and no real lookers. About as many guys. But I noticed one girl with a nice face and pretty smile. Sat next to her and introduced myself.

She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.

Pay her at the small lockers, then go downstairs to shower. Back up and wander around a little bit. More girls and more guys. Some nice, slim bodies, but not so great faces. One young girl is very good looking, but she looks very worried and is deep in conversation with another. Not sure why, but that puts me off of her. Finally, after getting some soda at the bar, I see a girl near the door. I grab a couch to watch her for a bit. She jumps up every time the bell rings to let a new guy in. I like her body, so I go and sit next to her.

Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers.

I'm done and have to get going. Had a good time at Freude. Great way to spend 90 euro. Vanessa escorts me to the door as I'm leaving with a final hug and a few kisses.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2049056]
She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.

Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers..[/QUOTE]The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.

Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.

Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly.

So I went with her but not sooner than we started than she warned me that I shouldn't come inside. Maybe she should have told me before we went to the room? I was going to go with what she said but then she warned me at least another couple of times during the sex just in case I forgot. This kind of killed the mood for me and irritated me a little so I decided that I might not completely comply and maybe put a little inside her and the rest outside. But she must have been listening for changes in my breathing because as soon as I started to come she immediately pulled away and all of it went on the towel we were lying on. I must have had a completely full tank because when I saw the amount that I had spilled on the towel instead of inside her I was a little gutted. It would have made a great creampie.

I never quite forgave her and when I saw her again a few months later she clearly remembered that we had gone together once but could not understand why I didn't want to go with her again even though she kept calling out to me whenever I walked past.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2054569]The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.

Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.

Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly..[/QUOTE]I was not very impressed by the lineup at Freude the day I went. But I wasn't expecting a whole lot either.

I chose Anna because of her face and smile. And because I hadn't seen Vanessa yet. I don't regret it, but I would not repeat.

I'm pretty sure Vanessa told me Bulgaria, but I could very well be wrong. Maybe she's Romanian and lying to us both. I thought she was easily the best looking girl I saw that day. She asked me not to finish inside also, but only once. I had no issue with that, because I tend to enjoy seeing the cum fly. I probably watch too much porn.

As I said in a post elsewhere, I'm probably one of those tourists that you regulars hate. I have an average session with a girl and walk away happy because it's still a lot cheaper than anything available where I normally play. If I went to these clubs all the time, I would definitely have to learn to be more selective and figure out who the best performers are.

Trip. Glad you found Larissa: she always gets me to finish, which makes her a class act from my point of view.

When I was last there theclub started to close well before 22.00, even though I was planning another session.

I'll be back at VV in a couple of weeks.

Has anybody been to V. V,Grimberg or Arabella after 1. Of July.

Has the New Law changed anything.

Please send a private Message if you don't want to Write on the forum.

Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50€/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2059562]Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?[/QUOTE]Last time I was there in January, there was an 20 minutes 30 euro option.

Is thiis not the case anymore?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2059562]Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?[/QUOTE]They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2059685]They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.[/QUOTE]Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2059787]Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.[/QUOTE]More expensive than Aca or Gold, for quite ugly girls when you can sometimes find real beauties at Aca.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2059787]Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.[/QUOTE]There weren't many girls at either place I would want to spend more than 20 minutes with. Just an opinion.

I don't remember exact prices, but I am 90% sure they were lower than GT and Finca (my other destinations on my trip). 40 for 30 minutes? Please don't quote me.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2055083] Just last week Wanking reported the pricing was 30 for BBBJ and covered sex, 10 euro upgrade to AO sex and a further 10 euro uograde for CIM.[/QUOTE]Wanking is an all-time great on these pages. He was one of the first on this internet forum to spread the word and actively promote AO activity and AO clubs. So, it is good to see that he is doing it right up to the end.

The point is who sets the rules here? Who is the authority on these pages who imposes the deadline as to the best time that we should cease discussing AO activity altogether.

Is it 4 years ago when the idea of a new law was first mooted?

Is it 3 years ago when it was confirmed that a new law was being drafted.

Is it 2 years ago when the law was going through parliament.

Is it 1 year ago when the new law was confirmed as having being passed.

Is it 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 1 week before the new law comes into effect.

About 2 months ago some people on the board seemed to have decided for the rest of us that we should cease discussion of AO sex from that point. Others sheepishly agreed. But why that particular point?

What I do know is that for a period in advance of the new law coming into effect that these clubs had adjusted their behaviour to one that they think will be fit the new regime. So, no advertising of AO on the internet or on name cards, no public AO sex allowed, signs saying that condoms are compulsory and so on. Then in the rooms AO sex will almost definitely be available if the girls know you. However, there is likely to be a price increase as the girls will charge a small amount for providing the AO that they did for no extra charge before.

So we would have been able to get an idea as to how the post law scenario would look like from what was happening in the few weeks before. This would be useful to to know. However if we had followed the 'controllers' in not allowing any AO talk before the law came into place then we would not have known the lie of the land as it is going to be now.

I am not incurring the costs and the time of travelling to Germany only to find that it is condom everything. I can get that at home.

Also, I don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to be paying 10 euros extra for each of BBBJ, CIM and CIP. This would mean paying 60 euros when before it was half that amount at 30 euros before the law change.

Thanks to Wanking's intrepid reporting (and his ignoring of the controllers on this board) we now know that going into the new regime that the AO service that most guys want (which is CIP) will most likely be available for just 10 euros extra. This prevents complete newbies being ripped off by the girls because they don't know what the 'going rate' is.

Then there were those guys who have been reporting that the girls are saying that they will only guarantee AO sex for those guys that are known to them from before the law took effect. Would this not be useful to know in advance of entering this new period? Armed with this information then guys would have been advised to have tried to visit a few clubs before the law change just to show their face so that the girls were likely to remember them for when they visit after the change in law. Now it would be too late.

I am probably the only one who has been making the very important point that it does not matter so much that there is a new law as to how the law is going to be enforced, if at all!

There is an indoor smoking ban in Germany in public places however you would never have guessed it given that practically all of the girl's chain smoke all day long inside the small confines of the RTC clubs with the patrons forced to inhale their smoke. The authorities don't bother with this but they would bother if you lit up in a normal German nightclub. So enforcement of the smoking ban indoors is selective by the authorities.

I strongly believe that the authorities will have far more pressing matters like concentrating on stopping those AO gangbangs which were advertised widely with mostly trafficked Romanian / Bulgarian girls before the law change where anyone could walk in off the street and join in without any testing. Also, those women who advertise for AO activities in apartments. I agree that the situation that existed before where an unwitting person could walk into a RTC and see unprotected sex happening in front of your eyes was clearly not acceptable and so needed to stop, which it has.

The authorities may not bother with RTCs, where AO sex is happening privately between consenting adults behind closed doors and there is no real evidence that it took place. Anonymous reports on forums is not credible evidence as there is lots of false reporting and claims on line. Entrapment and under cover reporting is not part of German law enforcement like it is in the US.

If AO activity is happening in an RTC club but I don't know about it then as far as I am concerned then it may as well not be happening because I cannot take part in something that is happening unless I know that it is happening in the first place.

So, I say carry on at least periodically reporting about what is happening in these places and be damned. It is highly unlikely that the authorities will bother with these private clubs anyway because it is too difficult to enforce the law here (to know what really happened between two consenting adults in a closed room) and it is unlikely that any customers will be making any complaints to the authorities because the girl allowed their request to have AO sex!

There are far more low hanging fruit for the authorities to concentrate on and reports on these forums are worthless in terms of credible evidence for authorities to act on in terms of what is happening in the RTCs. However if we find out that the authorities are enforcing the law and investigating / raiding these clubs then we can always think again.

Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?

I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2061985]Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?

I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.[/QUOTE]Same club. Girls provide great service!

No, it is different to Arabella.

Myrrh. Having read your post carefully, I would encourage you to book your short flight.

Maybe I had good fortune in my limited visits but I was not asked for any additional charges.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2061985]Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?

I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.[/QUOTE]2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062080]2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.[/QUOTE]Got it, thanks.

Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?

[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.fkk-annabella.de/[/URL]

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2062315]Got it, thanks.

Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?

[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.fkk-annabella.de/[/URL][/QUOTE]Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062430]Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.[/QUOTE]I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2062627]I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.[/QUOTE]La Luna made it's name, apart from it's monthly, infamous (Codeword) gangbangs, from it's system of FKK like additional charges for any extra sexual services provided (for example anal). Two or three of these possible services are now illegal.

The charging for additional services is of course very non-RTC like.

La Luna's business proposition of charging more for what you could get in an RTC for no extra cost was predicated on the La Luna girls being of near FKK equivalent quality rather than the fodder you find in most RTCs. But this has not been the case for a number of years now despite the extensive photoshopping on the La Luna website.

Good that La Luna is bolstering it's meagre staff rota with new blood but not so good if you are paying more at Luna for the same old rope that you could have had cheaper a few weeks earlier at Grimberg.

Myrrh. I agree in general. Yes. I wasn't going to pay LL rates for Grimberg girls. However Kathi was worth every euro. And Vanessa was so hot I was also happy. So, it's great but as you point out for a cheap trip go to the rtcs, unless you want Kathi or Vanessa or some other favourite.

Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2063146]Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.[/QUOTE]Myth says they are photoshopped. I am certain they re not. I was there when some of the pictures were taken and they use a professional photographer and lighting.Take the ages with a pinch of salt: Kathi has been 21 for at least four years.And one girl has put on a lot of weight since the photo taken well over a year ago

The pictures do of course show the girls at their best. In my view the lineup is pretty weak lookswise: only three are doable for me (for some reason Isabella really is not for me although slim). Also the number of girls with photos is only half.

Having said that Vanessa is a stunner, better than the pictures, Kathi is nice looking and stellar service.

All just my opinion. Remember that Mandy at Sharks is out of my range lookswise (of course my taste for slim will be overcome by personality.

If you tell me when you are going I can tell you if Kathi will be there.

If you are around Moers/ Duisburg it's worth a look.

The basic price is 40, and 20 euros for extras, with I think, no anal

Here's my recent post (a link won't work) from the LL thread

"Unfortunately this club is listed under AO, which no club can legally be.

I made two visits. 20 euros entry, with really friendly staff (Sharks could learn a lot), a range of fruit, nuts, and standard cake. Hairdryers which work, cheerful locker room.

I went straight for Vanessa. Gone are the days when the girls used to sit around in their pyjamas and flipflops. Platform shoes are de rigeur. Vanessa is to my mind stunning and if she were at Sharks would be at the top of my list. Lon long legs, tight ass, wild hair, and a broad grin. Performance in the room was very good, DFK, DATY (with her response) and working hard despite temperatures of 35+ centigrade. Her German is a bit limited I think, her English nonexistent, so I guess that's why she stays here.

Kathi was busy so in the interregnum I checked the girls. One or two I had previously done in Grimberg etc: that struck me as odd, given the historical sedation of LL from the rtc. Also gone is the Manele, and now there are porn movies. It felt more like Grimberg or Venus than the LL of the past. There were about ten girls, of which 3 were doable.

Kathi eventually became free. She was as passionate and tender as ever. Her kissing is on a different level to 98% of girls. I don't think a better session than Kathi is possible if one doesn't mind her basic passivity (I don't mean she is inactive or doesn't work very hard, just that she responds well to her partner being slightly in charge, as long as he is tender). An absolute top rate session by any standards. And, if one speaks Romanian, she is positively chatty. Highly recommended.

I have her holiday dates as I know some members like to go when she is there

So a really good visit with the great service I've come to expect"

Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.

Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?

Just wondering!

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2063330]Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.[/QUOTE]2 different girls!

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2063376]Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?

Just wondering![/QUOTE]Go to the website for a picture. Kathi has been at LL for years.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2063330]Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.[/QUOTE]Unless plans change she'll be on holiday. I'll miss her on my next trip, bad luck for me.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2063376]Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?

Just wondering![/QUOTE]No, two very different girls.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2063376]Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?[/QUOTE]The Kathi that is in the Luna website photos now looks very different from the one at Grimberg. I would have said that this was due to the wonders of photoshopping however Optimist swears that the photos on that site are never touched up.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2063698]The Kathi that is in the Luna website photos now looks very different from the one at Grimberg. I would have said that this was due to the wonders of photoshopping however Optimist swears that the photos on that site are never touched up.[/QUOTE]This surprises me. As such a prolific AO poster, I would have expected you to have been to Laluna / Angelique enough to know the pictures are pretty realistic representations. Further more I would expect any regular in this sub field of FKKs to have been with both Kathy and Kathi numerous times over the years, which would make it clear that they are very different from each other (and both worth a go). For one thing, they don't look anything like each other; for another Kathy speaks decent English and German.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2063330]Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.[/QUOTE]How can you think pretty girls for real would work in AO clubs to be BBFS for only 30?

Yes, fake blond Esmeralda. Bu was a bit cute at F39 , same for fake blond Mina. Bu ex Aca Gold at VV, and one was prettier at VV and even one of the prettiest when she moved to Oase, but falling services. Alexandra is not so bad at Arabella.

But no top beauties want to be bareback fucked for only 30, by old Germans. Some beauties even think they worth more than everything asked for 50 at big Sharks.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2064049]How can you think pretty girls for real would work in AO clubs to be BBFS for only 30?

Yes, fake blond Esmeralda. Bu was a bit cute at F39 , same for fake blond Mina. Bu ex Aca Gold at VV, and one was prettier at VV and even one of the prettiest when she moved to Oase, but falling services. Alexandra is not so bad at Arabella.

But no top beauties want to be bareback fucked for only 30, by old Germans. Some beauties even think they worth more than everything asked for 50 at big Sharks.[/QUOTE]

There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.

There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064767]There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.

There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50[/QUOTE]Sorry but when I visit Rom, Samya, First, Paradise, Finca, Leipzig. I never but never found a top girl, for me the top girls are in the top clubs just because it is easier for them to earn a lot of money. In the second level club also the girls are older but of course service wise they can be very good, but I don't care about the service I just need a beauty.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064767]There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.

There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50[/QUOTE]I fully agree, I prefer only 1 top GFE beauty, rather than 100 GND thinking they are pretty, that's why I don't go anymore in Hessen, because they may think they are top models, they are not pretty enough for me.

But who is a beauty in AO clubs? Because I need to kiss to enjoy sex, and I can't kiss a ugly face with bad teeth, sexy body is not enough for me, I can be very demanding for look, because I m used to get the prettiest girls in clubs. For me, the prettiest a girl is, the best she can be, because her beauty will make me dream, and this is much more enjoyable than just animal sex, even with a top performer.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2064954]IFor me, the prettiest a girl is, the best she can be, because her beauty will make me dream, and this is much more enjoyable than just animal sex, even with a top performer.[/QUOTE]That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2064969]That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.[/QUOTE]I don't need a top hardcore performer, beauty, behavior and manners are more enjoyable for me, because I just look for same kind of sex I had with my real life girlfriends, I don't have any sexual frustration to kill.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2064969]That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.[/QUOTE]Sex is the basic (mechanical) and it was we have in common with the animals, erotic (resulting from education, culture,.) is above of sex and is what the animals don t have, it is like eating because you are hungry (Mac Donald) or gastronomie. Beauty is typically erotic, dream.)).

Visit today villa Venus.

Arrive at 10:15 thinking for happy hour but not.

Already 5 men including me when they are just open.

Entry 30.

25 min 30.

1 HR 70.

10 girls here they don't have photos with name.

Most 5/6.

Only one 7 Ina.

2 sessions.

First with Ina best looking girl here slim petite be cup tits flat stomach very pretty face.

Average BJ no 69 light kissing not on the top quiet girl but OK session.

Second session with Amira.

Better service body not great saggy tits little fat pretty face more active deep kiss good BJ.

Suggestion for hotels in North Rhine-Westphalia.

[URL]http://www.rheinbahn.de/tickets/weitere_ticketangebote/Seiten/Hotel-KombiTicket.aspx[/URL]

If you book any of these hotels they give free pass for all metro train bus in this area for days you stay in the hotel.

You save a lot money with this.

Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.

At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.

I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.

Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?

Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.

I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years.

She then started to unwrap one of them. It was clear that they would have to be used right from the off, including for the BJ, as is the letter of the law.

I made a move to get off the bed making it clear that this was no deal. Maybe she would change her mind when she saw that she would be missing out on a fee.

But she just shrugged her shoulders and said politely 'Enshuligen'.

Outside in the lounge I saw her go back to the reception to hand back the bed sheet and she then engaged in a long conversation with thekenfrau. Thekenfrau listened intently, stern faced, with pursed lips, nodding her head from time to time and with a resigned look on her face as if to say 'Yes, I know this is a continuing problem because some customers still insist on breaking the rules which causes difficulties for us'.

They both looked over towards me from time to time and I became a little concerned. Was I about to be ousted from the club and publicly humiliated.

Some of the girls sitting around were also noticing what was going on and they had seen that I and the girl had not gone over to the security lockers for me to hand over her fee. Were they thinking that the girl had provided a service and I had refused to pay? This would probably affect my chances of going with other girls.

Eventually the girl walked away from the reception and thekenfrau did not come over to speak to me. So after a while I relaxed.

Maybe I was worrying unnecessarily however with the lack of information coming out from the clubs these days about what to expect, when you are looking for the same services as before, it is natural to fear the worse in these sort of situations.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2075234]Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.

At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.

I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.

Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?

Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.

I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the synthetic and clear report, sorry but I don't understand your concerns, it is P6, the girls are here to earn as much they can by giving the less things possible but isn't it the same for Apple, Mercedes, MacDo, etc. If you want to fall in love you will have to put a lot of cash on the table.

Myrrh. Bad luck. Did you try any others afterwards?. Sounds intimidating.

I have heard more positive reports.

Cheers.

Myrrh, this is bad news. I expected better from some of these clubs, the news I'd read was that there was no change. But even back in the day when AO was standard I'd come across the odd girl who would want to use a condom, maybe you just found the wrong girl. Did you try with any other girls?

After my initial awkward encounter I decided it was less of a headache to stick to the girls that I already knew.

One such girl who I had been with a couple of times came over and straddled me when she saw me sitting there as she remembered me from last time. She wanted to immediately go the room. But I needed to be sure so I asked straight out whether it would be 'ohne gummi'.

You should have seen the horrified look that came over her face as if to say 'WTF? Are you completely out of your mind' Her head swung wildly from side to side to check if anyone had overheard us and I thought she was going to get whiplash. There was no one at any of the surrounding couches and no one would have heard anyway because of the loud music but she put a finger to her lips in an exaggerated shushing motion saying that we should 'sprechen in the zimmer'.

We agreed to sprechen for 20 minutes but in the end our 'chat' only lasted around 7 minutes!

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2075234]Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.

At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.

I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.

Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?

Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.

I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years.

She then started to unwrap one of them. It was clear that they would have to be used right from the off, including for the BJ, as is the letter of the law..[/QUOTE]Some guys like to play with their health / life, even for years there were told to put condom they don't care until they will get really sick.

Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2075234]At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.[/QUOTE]

What club did you visit? Would be interesting to know: one of the RTCs? Which one? Or other, normal club? Which one?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2075777]Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.[/QUOTE]

+1.

The club that I visited was a RTC in NRW which is why I posted it in this particular thread. I didn't particularly want to name the club because of the sensitivities expressed by some on here about confirming whether a particular club is or isn't providing AO, given its new illegal status.

Those posting their experiences nowadays must feel like they are walking a tightrope, caught in the cross hairs of two opposing factions (the Squares and the Cavaliers). Trip reporters are damned either way if they do or they don't report exactly what they experienced.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2075777]Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.[/QUOTE]Do not read this post while trying to drink beer. Beer in the nasal sinuses is very painful!

Any reports on Verena lately?

I'm over there next week, 6th to the 11th, might swing by one of the days.

For about the same price I could go to former Pauschaulclub Dortmund, now saunaclub [URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/dortmund[/URL] , more rubber involved there I suppose but also more food and facilities. Any thoughts?

Pm me if anyone is around the Dortmund area those dates.

Well none I could find. Been here 6 hours and done 3 sessions. Still BBBJ.

Great night in P3 swingers in Bochum last night.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2081978]Still BBBJ..[/QUOTE]At least one good news. What about CIM and anal? Did you go to the former PC Dortmund?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2081998]At least one good news. What about CIM and anal? Did you go to the former PC Dortmund?[/QUOTE]I didn't enquire about CIM or Anal, because I had 2 good CIM in P3 swingers previous night and I don't normally pay for extras in FKKs.

There's alot of regulars in Verena who are probably getting AO etc still.

I didn't make it to former pauschal dortmund. I off to P3 swingers again tomorrow, for the afternoon party.

I had a good time in Verena even if its boring as hell there. Its a well run club and the ladies and service were good.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2082029]I didn't enquire about CIM or Anal, because I had 2 good CIM in P3 swingers previous night and I don't normally pay for extras in FKKs.

There's alot of regulars in Verena who are probably getting AO etc still.

I didn't make it to former pauschal dortmund. I off to P3 swingers again tomorrow, for the afternoon party.

I had a good time in Verena even if its boring as hell there. Its a well run club and the ladies and service were good.[/QUOTE]In the RTC CIM and anal have always been included in the 30€. Anyway I waiting your detailed report on P3, I never heard about this club and I'm curious to know about it. Thanks!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2082150]In the RTC CIM and anal have always been included in the 30. Anyway I waiting your detailed report on P3, I never heard about this club and I'm curious to know about it. Thanks![/QUOTE]I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.

More later.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2082167]I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.

More later.[/QUOTE]Anal is very easy to get in all the big clubs, most of the girls are proposing it if you behave like a gentleman, if you behave like a uneducated guy only controlled by his testosterone it is more challenging.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2082167]I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.

More later.[/QUOTE]So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082492]So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?[/QUOTE]AO is illegal since new German law on first July. Same for BBBJ. What is illegal is to ask for, but a girl who likes you, is free to please you. No risk to be prosecuted for girls.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082492]So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?[/QUOTE]Just go through the forum and you will get all the answers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2082718]AO is illegal since new German law on first July. Same for BBBJ. What is illegal is to ask for, but a girl who likes you, is free to please you. No risk to be prosecuted for girls.[/QUOTE]So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082492]So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?[/QUOTE]The impact of this law has been somewhat exaggerated. Whatever services you've expected in the past from a given place are probably still available. It's just only done behind closed doors now. The law is mostly unenforcible, and so far we've not had a single enforcement action documented here, nor have I seen same on any other board.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2082896]The impact of this law has been somewhat exaggerated. Whatever services you've expected in the past from a given place are probably still available. It's just only done behind closed doors now. The law is mostly unenforcible, and so far we've not had a single enforcement action documented here, nor have I seen same on any other board.[/QUOTE]Fully right, this Sunday at Oase the blond receptionist explain very loudly 2 times to a guy that CIM is 50 euros, obviously the new law will not apply in this place.

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the feedback on the AO issue. So as I said, I'll be returning to Arabella's in a month or so after the good time I had last year. I was hoping you guys could recommend another place or two in the area to hit as well. Düsseldorf, Essen or Dortmund perhaps? I'll have a car so I can drive, but don't wish to travel too far if I don't need to.

Let me know what you guys recommend and why.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082492]So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?[/QUOTE]I was only in Verena, not Arabella.

No AO available in Verena from my experience.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082895]So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?[/QUOTE]If a girl ask you what please You, it stay between you and her for win-win business, but you can't force anymore a girl, threatening to complain at the desk, like did many, crying like little girls, guys before, their only way to get from girls. Now, law protect girls, they can say: No. I agree with this law. Guys will get from what they are and behave.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082895]So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?[/QUOTE]Most probably the girl will never tell you g. Or not, but with condom or not, after it is your choice if you want to take the ris to pay up to 50000 euros.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082895]So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?[/QUOTE]As Sirioja says, what you do behind closed doors is up to you and the girl. When you leave the room it is always respectful to be discreet about what you did. After all the girl may read what you write, identify you, and be unhappy with you. As Sirioja says, to a large extent, we get from the girls what we give.

As Neurosynth suggests, now is not the time to panic.We shall know more as time goes on.

I'll be visiting one of these clubs but as it will be next Sunday afternoon I doubt it will be that good. I'm just hoping that the service has not changed behind closed doors. As I don't speak German, I think that I will go back to Grimberg or Arabella where I had little trouble last time. A PM from anyone with current information would be appreciated.

I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):

FKK Airport (open or closed?

FKK-Annabella (open or closed?

Luderland (open of closed?

M-Exclusiv in Münster (open or closed?

M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2089070]I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):

FKK Airport (open or closed?

FKK-Annabella (open or closed?

Luderland (open of closed?

M-Exclusiv in Mnster (open or closed?

M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Luderland open, friend of mine was there last week. Airport I think is closed. I don't know about others clubs you mentioned.

Grimberg, Arabella, Villa Venus, Villa Romantika, Verena, F39 are open.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2089070]I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):

FKK Airport (open or closed?

FKK-Annabella (open or closed?

Luderland (open of closed?

M-Exclusiv in Mnster (open or closed?

M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

I was at Luderland Friday and Arabella the Sunday before. As far as quality goes it has not changed. A few nice looking girls and others that are plain. The girls are there to do a job and can be good enough actresses for 25 minutes.

Anyone know about Annabella then in Hennef? Their website is still up, but I found it closed once despite that.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2090270]Anyone know about Annabella then in Hennef? Their website is still up, but I found it closed once despite that.[/QUOTE]On a German forum it was mentioned that the owner sold the establishment to a company which will convert it to a different use.

[QUOTE=Yoyoma47;2082895]So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?[/QUOTE]When I was at Dietzenbach last month I had a couple of girls ask me "Condom or no?" I answered the question and there was no issue with the service.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2090549]On a German forum it was mentioned that the owner sold the establishment to a company which will convert it to a different use.[/QUOTE]That's too bad if true. But FKK-Luderland in Leverkusen isn't too terribly far away, and it has similar services in a better facility. So for those in Bonn or Cologne it's an alternative closer than other RTC's.

To answer my own question, Annabella was closed. I didn't bother with FKK Airport, M-Exclusiv in Buldern is open, and I didn't bother with M-Exclusiv in Munster!

This is my first FR on this place but I've been here about 4 times in the past. Unfortunately, thanks to the new laws, I might not waste my time here again.

Entry fee is 7.99€ (or 8€ since they don't give you the .01€ back).

I chose the 100€ for 4 girls. 3 of the 4 follow the new laws to a T. There were 5 girls but I didn't bother with one of the girls who was old and wrinkly.

The first girl I had was Valentina. I recognized her from Bernd's (but forgot her name. Maybe also Valentina?) and she seems to recognize me. Still a cute little girl and for the price, I can't complain. I have to admit, this does seem like a step down from FKK Bernd's to being in M-Exclusiv, but I guess she's happy.

The second girl I had was Isabella. Average service and she seems disinterested. She knows me from the past few times but slaps a condom on and just goes through the motions.

The third girl was Jenny. In the darker lighting, she seems okay looking but when we went into the room, I knew I made a mistake! I found out how old she was as well (as the other girl who I didn't pick)! Sex was okay but I wasn't into it.

The fourth and last girl is Nicoletta. She seems to recognize me but after the small talk, she slaps a condom on me. I said, "Remember me?" and she looked, she realized who I was. Great sex but she gave me a dick hickey by sucking too hard, with teeth!

Out of the 4, I would pick Nicoletta and Valentina to repeat. If I ever plan another trip, I might go here unless I have nothing else to do.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2093395] If I ever plan another trip, I might go here unless I have nothing else to do.[/QUOTE]I meant to say, if I ever plan another trip, I might not go here unless I have nothing else to do! It's miles (kilometers) out of the way, the town next to the place makes you drive slowly (and has speed cameras), and you feel like you are in a barn when you're here (other than being behind a gas station, the place looks like a dump! Glad they fixed the non-working shower but I still use the one on the right).

There's a few places you can use to cover where you're really going when you're at Gelsenkirchen, Germany. There's a garden next door, the zoo, a few meters down, and a pizza restaurant that's also next door! I just too pictures of the exterior of the zoo to show the folks back home, but you know where I'm really going! Grimberg Sauna!

Entry 30€ - I was greeted by Evi, one of the girls who hangs in the living room with the three couches (usually occupied by the fat girls who's names I keep forgetting!) near the door. She's not fat, but she's old looking!

Hiding in the back couches was bony Angie (with the smoker's teeth) and a new girl, Sarah. I took Sarah first. I asked if she was Bulgarian (because she has the facial features of other Bulgarians I've met) and she says she's Romanian! Service, she was okay, but didn't know many positions. You just had to move her, but she was willing! I love the feel of her tight but wet pussy and made me cum right away. Well worth 30€!

While I was at the front, I noticed Diana! She still has that shy problem from the other place she doesn't want me to mention, and she still turns to her right so that you don't notice her slightly lazy eye on her right (but she still looks cute! I spun her around during sex and she's the perfect cum dumpster, with her perky breasts and smooth, pale skin! Also worth 30€!

I took Jasmine and Lily together because I felt, after two, I might have trouble cumming after three! Lily is still bottom heavy, but if you focus on her top portion, you're good to go! I didn't notice Jasmine had an inverted nipple on her right breast but I sucked both nipples equally! I came before the time was up. Still 60€ of enjoyment!

Next to Diana, was Delia, a girl I haven't seen at Grimberg before. She was actually really good and was really friendly. Her tight pussy made me cum, but it wasn't milky white (but a clear consistency). I guess I need a 30 minute break before I go again! 30€.

After a 45 minute break, I saw Diana was free again, so I took her (again). She never does doggie style but I like her on top of me as I cum like a volcano inside of her! 30€.

Angie kept bothering me when I was resting a little and so I went back to the front and took Delia (again)! I came in her missionary position. 30€.

With my luck, Angie was busy! I manage to leave without having Angie bother me! I had a great time and left Grimberg 240€ (sex 7 times plus admissions) lighter!

DMD2017. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2094187] I love the feel of her tight but wet pussy and made me cum right away. Well worth 30!

she's the perfect cum dumpster

I came before the time was up. Still 60 of enjoyment!

Her tight pussy made me cum, but it wasn't milky white (but a clear consistency).

I cum like a volcano inside of her!

I came in her missionary position. 30.
[/QUOTE]I like this writing style, club sounds like it would be much to my liking. Thanks for review.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2094437]DMD2017. Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Welcome back WanderingGroo! Er sorry I meant member #4460, actually I meant to say DMD2017 of course.

Good to hear that your multi-pop ability has not been diminished whilst you have been away from here.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1732375]WanderingGroo, thanks for the report. Your stamina is astonishing![/QUOTE]

I have had a chance to revisit Arabella over this past week.

For reasons that I can't fully explain, I have always liked this club-it is small, but the girls and The Thekefrau have always been very welcoming and I can always find a girl that I will have a great time with. In fact, I have never had a dud there.

On arrival, there were a total of 7 girls working (less than usual, but not by much-the most that I have ever seen there was 10). The seven included Ariana, Janina, Anastasia, Sabrina, Mara and 2 others the names of whom I forget (which means I had zero interest in them).

Contrary to most reports, it has been my experience that the majority (about 80%) of the girls in the small clubs do not speak any English, so I always try to remember the ones that do, as my German is far from fluent enough to get my wishes across, but you can forget a fluent conversation.

My first "get-together" was with Janina-she has been there a long time, but I have never had a chance to fuck her before. She is tall, thin and reasonably young -3 attributes that always peak my interest and her face is actually pleasant as well. The usual make up session on the couch was followed by the usual steamy session in the room and I left very satisfied. She offered a 3 some with Anastasia, but that girl is so not my type physically that I could just not bring myself to go for it.

My second was with Sabrina, she is an older lady (35 I think), a little on the heavy side, but she actually speaks some English and has a nice personality. I have always gotten along great with her and this time was no exception. I always take her for a fuck session whenever I am at Arabella.

I was going to take Ariana next (tall very think also young and fairly decent looking (although some would say she is too thin and her chest is almost flat-I have been with her before many times. Nice girl, but zero English)), but at 10 PM I was told it is time to start packing up. Apparently, even though the closing time is 11 PM, that is the time when the girls go home, so the customers are starting to get pushed towards the exit around 10 PM. In other words, do not wait until 10 PM to squeeze in one last session, as it will not happen. Make sure you have made contact with your girl of choice by 9.45 PM.

The two things that have changed since July 1st is that there is no more BBBJ on the couch prior to going to the room. The girls will do a gentle handjob instead to warm you up as part on the initial make out session (which always includes DFK). The other thing that is gone is that there is no more public sex.

It helps that Arabella is very easy to reach by public transport. Tram 302 from Bochum train station takes about 20-25 minutes to get there, or the same tram from Gelsenkirchen station takes only about 10 minutes. From the tram stop, it is only a 5 minute walk.

I love this club and definitely will be back.

I went to Arabella twice two weeks ago and I went with Jenina during both times! Ariana changed a week or two before July 1 and uses protection during sex now. I usually go with Sabrina last because she usually drains every last bit of cum out of me and then it would take me a long time to "recover" after her! There are some girls I avoid like Maria because she reminds me of my elderly neighbor I have no interest in.

I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2099391]I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?[/QUOTE]I have done that trip a few times and find that there is the best selection of hotels in Essen near the HBF. The Intercity Hotel gives you a free transit pass and from there you can easily get to most AO clubs. I usually hit F39 and CLL, but Arabella and VV are also not far away. I really wish I could be there too, I love to visit the area and leave behind as many cream pies as I can.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2099391]I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?[/QUOTE]I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.

But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.

Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.

I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2099507]I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.

But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.

Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.

I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).

Thanks for the post, very useful info.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2099606]Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).

Thanks for the post, very useful info.[/QUOTE]There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.

Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.

Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.

La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.

As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.

40 euros at la luna if you don't want the specialty.

I am planning to double on hotels one night since my one in Frankfurt is so cheap and train it to the NRW to try two of these clubs (outside shot have car.) I plan to leave FRA early in the AM with a backpack for one night (the same one I use to transport towels in) and go right to Club One, get a hotel nearby and the next day go to Club Two and that night after rush hour head back to my home base in Frankfurt. I do not know the traffic patterns headed north after the breakfast hour from Frankfurt but I can always stop at Finca for a few hours if that Cologne / Dusseldorf / Essen area is packed at lunchtime and I can only assume come 14:00-19:00 traffic probably sucks.

Entry fees and cost per session are mute points, it is splitting hairs and the absolute least thing of considerations. There is one non AO girl at Dietzenbach and if I didn't know any better from other guys there I would risk a ' wasted punt' for my purposes if I go to the NRW and get an ' Andrea' so I am looking for clubs that have the highest success rate and enough girls in the club to have options and not have to deal with grabbing them immediately once they are finished due to overcrowding of testosterone although my high standards of hygiene might make grabbing them immediately not such a bad thing.

What two clubs would be best to meet the above goals to get a taste and feel (literally and figuratively) of the NRW if going by car and the same question if using public transport w/o a car. I do want to explore up there but I can also be very content with the Frankfurt options if it comes down to a wash. Since I can accomplish my goals pretty quick in these clubs as they can get boring I would not mind staying in Dusseldorf city at a high end hotel and enjoying a five course meal at a fine upper scale restaurant. Since it is my birthday trip I do not not mind one night of a tad pricier hotel/dining experience

Feel free to PM me, no detail is too dirty for me but understand some want to keep such off the boards publicly. The best 2 ( if by train) and the best 2 ( if by car)

I can't help you a lot but the Villa Venus is reachable from Dusseldorf by public transport without too much hassle. Use the VRR app or google maps for the timetables and the route, it's very reliable. If my memory is correct the tram going to VV runs underground at the Duisbrug Hbf, it can be a little hard to find it. The two clubs at Bochum (F39 and Arabella) should be reachable too but they're further from Dusseldorf.

For the traffic I remember one time going from PSR to Dusseldorf at 4 pm and it was a pain in the ass, the problem is that the Germans love to make works on their autobahns.

FWIW F39 should be one of your two choices. It's bigger and nicer than the other RTCs.

If you have a car you might also want to consider going to one of the AO gang bangs if the timing works out. You will find some very messy girls there.

Traffic.

Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.

Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).

East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.

Of course it varies enormously day to day.

It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.

Heading to Bochum tomorrow, plan to hit Arabella on Friday plus some swinger clubs over the weekend. Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2102589]Traffic.

Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.

Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).

East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.

Of course it varies enormously day to day.

It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.[/QUOTE]Use google map from far the best, even guys with very expensive Mercedes etc are using google in their car.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2099855]There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.

Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.

Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.

La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.

As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.[/QUOTE]Nice round up of the pricing.

I was in Bochum for a few days last weekend but didn't make it to Arabella after. Still its an easy trip from either Gelsenkirchen or Bochum. Take tram 302 to stop Lohrheidestrae, 23 minutes from Bochum HBF. From there its a 400 meter walk.

Swingers club P3 is just 2 stops away at August-Bebel-Platz.

After several days down at Dietzenbach, I figured I would try out a couple of the RTCs in NRW. Villa Venus was first because I had been there in June and had very good sessions with Larissa and Diana.

Arrived right after 8 PM and got the discounted entry of 15 Euro. No pictures of the lineup at the desk.

The place was surprisingly full. I counted at least 12 girls working and maybe 5 guys, and nearly every couch was taken. After my shower, I found an empty spot and scanned the merchandise. Unfortunately, I was not very impressed. Half were older ladies, at least mid 30's, and one who had to be in her 40's. Even most of the younger girls were not optically enticing. I would say 10 of the working girls were 4's or 5's on the Tripter Scale. No Larissa and no Diana. But there was one girl I would rate a 7 and one an 8.

So, of course, I sat next to the 8. She told me her name is Anna from Romania. Very thin, pretty face, small breasts, lip piercing, long straight black hair, a few tattoo groupings of butterflies. Immediately after introductions, she fondled me under the towel and stuck her tongue in my mouth. Excellent! She doesn't speak much English and I speak two words of Romanian, but we got along just fine. The room was very good. DFK, BJ, 3 position shuffle, bang! Very well done, and she's a sweet girl.

I knew I probably didn't have another shot in me after one room at Dietz and the drive up, so I showered again and headed out.

The Good: Did I really just bang a hot girl for 45 Euro all in? Yes. Yes, I did. If you enjoyed sessions here six months ago, you will most likely enjoy sessions here today. At least from my individual sample.

The Bad: Lots of average looking girls. Not a place I would want to hang out in for very long.

The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2117005]After several days down at Dietzenbach, I figured I would try out a couple of the RTCs in NRW. Villa Venus was first because I had been there in June and had very good sessions with Larissa and Diana.

Arrived right after 8 PM and got the discounted entry of 15 Euro. No pictures of the lineup at the desk.

The place was surprisingly full. I counted at least 12 girls working and maybe 5 guys, and nearly every couch was taken. After my shower, I found an empty spot and scanned the merchandise. Unfortunately, I was not very impressed. Half were older ladies, at least mid 30's, and one who had to be in her 40's. Even most of the younger girls were not optically enticing. I would say 10 of the working girls were 4's or 5's on the Tripter Scale. No Larissa and no Diana. But there was one girl I would rate a 7 and one an 8.

So, of course, I sat next to the 8. She told me her name is Anna from Romania. Very thin, pretty face, small breasts, lip piercing, long straight black hair, a few tattoo groupings of butterflies. Immediately after introductions, she fondled me under the towel and stuck her tongue in my mouth. Excellent! She doesn't speak much English and I speak two words of Romanian, but we got along just fine. The room was very good. DFK, BJ, 3 position shuffle, bang! Very well done, and she's a sweet girl.

I knew I probably didn't have another shot in me after one room at Dietz and the drive up, so I showered again and headed out.

The Good: Did I really just bang a hot girl for 45 Euro all in? Yes. Yes, I did. If you enjoyed sessions here six months ago, you will most likely enjoy sessions here today. At least from my individual sample.

The Bad: Lots of average looking girls. Not a place I would want to hang out in for very long.

The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.[/QUOTE]Thanks to your report, do you believe that Dietz LU is better? What about the premises too?

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2117005]The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.[/QUOTE]Glad you got to make it up to the NRW and good report.

The old woman sounds fun, what Germany refuses I use.

Kind of like what New York refuses New Jersey blesses. I did a 65+ lady in both MX and in Costa Rica in the past.

Keep pounding those Gypsies or whoever floats your boat. I wonder whose pussy is blown out more, Nelly's or this older woman you refer too.

:D

Trip. So you returned. Shame to hear Larissa not there. Thanks for the info: she is a favourite for me. I hear generally that the club is having a bad patch lineup wise.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2117362]Trip. So you returned. Shame to hear Larissa not there. Thanks for the info: she is a favourite for me. I hear generally that the club is having a bad patch lineup wise.[/QUOTE]Don't take one day in December as definitive. Over the last three months there have been plenty of good looking girls and in general a lot better than Dietzenbach. Mina, Diana, Roxana, Elena just to name a few. I've seen Ana (Raissa from Fruede) a few times, but always had better options. That being said, sometimes you find only one or two of them are working on a particular day.

In my quest to hit as many RTC (Really Tiny Coke) clubs as possible, I made my way to Arabella tonight. I had a hell of a time finding it, even with GPS. Until I saw the GIANT FUCKING SIGN with the address on it. In my defense, it was pitch black out and the sign is blocked by trees if you are driving East on Lohrheidestr. The parking lot was quite full.

Arrived around 830 PM and paid my reduced 15 Euro entry fee. Showered and came upstairs to look around. The place is pretty small, with only two small rooms of couches. Several guys were there, and maybe 10 girls working, all in the 4-6 range on the Tripter Scale. I was not very impressed, especially after seeing Vanessa at Laluna earlier. But what the hell, it's only 30 Euro to try out a girl.

While I was wondering who to pick, I got my first sight of couch action at a club. One of the better looking girls jumped on a large German guy's lap. She opened his towel and gave him a HJ as they kissed. They stood up in the middle of the floor and continued fondling and kissing. Eventually she put a condom on him and gave him a BJ. Then she bent over a couch and he did her doggie. Another girl laughed and sat on the back of the couch and masturbated for him. He didn't last very long. 2-3 of the girls nearby clapped.

The place was fairly lively. Lots of girls would get up and dance to the music. Unfortunately, not many of them were very good looking, and none of them could actually dance very well.

Eventually, I settled on the girl near me. She kept smiling and flirting with me. She has a decent body, and large, expressive eyes, which I tend to gravitate toward. I think her name is Maya, but honestly, I don't really remember. Some snuggling and fondling on the couch, but only pecks for kisses. Off to the room. Decent BJ and a couple of different positions. Good eye contact and verbal encouragement. The finish was not the RTC Way, for those interested. I don't really care, but others might.

Worth 45 Euro total, but I won't be back.

Before the-Day you could see guys creampie girls in public. Or shooting their hot load into their mouth. The good old times.

I've gone off course several times finding the place too! Sometimes, I fail to turn left at the last minute while approaching that street, or sometimes, I forget there's like a car dealership (or something like that) next door!

I usually go with Alexandra or Ariana (who's now covered), but sometimes, they leave earlier than 8:00 pm.

Anyway, the smaller clubs are a hit or miss and I never judge based on one day. If I come back and have mediocre service (like in M-Exclusiv) where you're gambling on who's doable or not, then I usually strike it from my "places to go" after about 2-3 visits. I've done that with Romantika after a few visits and mediocre sessions.

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2117397]Before the-Day you could see guys creampie girls in public. Or shooting their hot load into their mouth. The good old times.[/QUOTE]Or even better, perform!

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2117400]I've gone off course several times finding the place too! Sometimes, I fail to turn left at the last minute while approaching that street, or sometimes, I forget there's like a car dealership (or something like that) next door!

I usually go with Alexandra or Ariana (who's now covered), but sometimes, they leave earlier than 8:00 pm.

Anyway, the smaller clubs are a hit or miss and I never judge based on one day. If I come back and have mediocre service (like in M-Exclusiv) where you're gambling on who's doable or not, then I usually strike it from my "places to go" after about 2-3 visits. I've done that with Romantika after a few visits and mediocre sessions.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's difficult to assess a club based on a single night in the frozen winter. Perhaps I spoke too soon when I said I'd never go back to Arabella. But my time is short on this trip. Will see about next time!

Grimberg was third and last on my tour of NRW RTCs. Again, I drove right past it in the dark. Maybe I should be going to these clubs during daylight hours.

Arrived around 9 PM. Paid my 15 Euro discounted entry. Showered and looked around. Around 10-12 girls working and 4-5 guys lounging around. The place was very crowded and couches were hard to come by. One girl introduced herself and kept bugging me the entire time I was there. I forget her name. I was slightly taken aback because I thought the girls didn't approach guys in most of these places. She kept blowing me kisses and telling me she liked and loved me and tried to pose sexily in a very immature manner. Very strange. I ignored her after the first 2 minutes. Another girl chatted with me for a while about America, Germany, vacation, work. Very friendly.

Most of the girls were 5's or 6's. There was one very pretty gypsy looking girl I would rate a 7. 5 that I earmarked for later. Unfortunately, when I came back around to sit with her, Genghis Khan had already sat down, scraggly facial and body hair and all. Another girl with a very nice body and nice face made the list, but she had a holier than thou princess look on her face the entire time. Even when a guy sat next to her, she didn't snuggle up with him or anything. She just sat and smoked her cigarette, then pointed to a room. Scratch two!

I finally saw a tiny girl folding towels and waited until she sat down. I sat with her and we spoke pidgin English for a bit. I think her name is Diana. She is TINY. Very petite, very young, very thin. I think the dirty old man in me tends to pick these girls out. Light kisses and fondling on the couch. Off to the room where she gave an excellent BJ. DT and BLS without me asking. Hopped on top for some seriously good cowgirl. I love a girl who gets up on her feet and slams herself down on me, especially a tiny little girl like her. Flipped her over for mish and pounded as hard and deep as I wanted to a wonderful finish. Worth 30 Euro and then some.

If I didn't have to get up EARLY tomorrow, I would have stuck around and taken the gypsy girl to a room. I really liked her look. As it is, I showered, dressed, and left.

Grimberg probably had a better overall lineup tonight than Arabella last night or Villa Venus the night before.

Back home tomorrow. Have to figure out when my next TriptoFKKLand is.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2117805]I finally saw a tiny girl folding towels and waited until she sat down. [/QUOTE]Diana used to be in Dietzenbach but she had a "falling out" with (I guess) management. I have my suspicions of what happened but it would sound like gossip.

She used to be the busiest girl in Dietzenbach thanks to the "new" factor, but that was months ago! She and Vanessa used to hang out together (even on breaks and after work). I don't know what their situation is now.

If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest!

Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!

With Grimberg, you might miss it via GPS sometimes because you can't really see it with the bushes in front. I kept missing it during the first 3 visits but now I remember where to go!

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2117808]
Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!
[/QUOTE]I had Jasmine too last year and she was very nice in the room and provide a good service.

Is she the tall girl who looks like a persian princess?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2117991]Is she the tall girl who looks like a persian princess?[/QUOTE]In my post I refer to a tall Jasmine, long blak hair and if I remember correctly she have some (alot?) tattoo. Yes she look like persian / arab.

It must be her but I don't remember the tatoos. It was a few years ago.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2117808]
If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest!
[/QUOTE]Yes, that was definitely her. Very annoying.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2117808]
Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!
[/QUOTE]Hmm. She was taken when I finally got around to making my decision. So in her case, it was made for me. She looks very good, but her attitude put me off. Just goes to show, you never know what you're going to get in the room until you get in the room. Thanks for the information!

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2117808]
If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest![/QUOTE]I fucked Angie once, in my first trip to Grimberg more than 3 years ago. I choosed her becasue she do anal, but her services in general are bad in my experience.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2117990]I had Jasmine too last year and she was very nice in the room and provide a good service.[/QUOTE]I too have been put off by Jasmine and each time I visited I would overlook her. Then on one of my trips a German guy says that she provides really good service in the room and there are never any complaints about her from other guys.

But still I am not keen. She has a good figure and an attractive enough face but she sits with her long back set ramrod stiff in the chair with her head held high in the air above her long neck. Always composed and controlled in her manner. She also wears these horrible black knee length stockings, the sort that a nurse would wear when on duty.

Worse of all for me is her tendency to sit talking for ages with two other women, one of them normally a light brown haired / blonde woman nearing her 40's, in the small room just to the right of the reception desk. Unlike the other girls they are never looking round trying to attract the attention of the men.

What on earth are they talking about for so long, day after day? They seem to enjoy each other's company so much that I am loathed to interrupt them.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2119231]I too have been put off by Jasmine and each time I visited I would overlook her. Then on one of my trips a German guy says that she provides really good service in the room and there are never any complaints about her from other guys.

But still I am not keen. She has a good figure and an attractive enough face but she sits with her long back set ramrod stiff in the chair with her head held high in the air above her long neck. Always composed and controlled in her manner. She also wears these horrible black knee length stockings, the sort that a nurse would wear when on duty.

Worse of all for me is her tendency to sit talking for ages with two other women, one of them normally a light brown haired / blonde woman nearing her 40's, in the small room just to the right of the reception desk. Unlike the other girls they are never looking round trying to attract the attention of the men.

What on earth are they talking about for so long, day after day? They seem to enjoy each other's company so much that I am loathed to interrupt them.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention it, but when I first got there, three of the girls, including Jasmine were in that small room talking. The woman behind the bar eventually yelled at them, and they dispersed to other rooms and couches. That's when I got a look at Jasmine and was sort of interested and turned off at the same time.

This behavior is true for that whole corner of Romanians (Jasmine, Diana, Antonia, Kathi, Lilly and Emanuela). Although all give decent to good service, they seem very arrogant and don't really show interest in anyone until you are next to them on the couch or sometimes even in the room. One of them recently told me she was 100% sure Grimberg had the best girls with the best service, while Grimberg does have the name of being the most service oriented of the RTC clubs (rightfully so, over a longer period), there really isn't that much of a difference anymore.

Does anyone know if these RTCs are likely ti be open over the Christmas and New year period? Even open on Christmas day itself?

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I figured there are a few different boards where this might be appropriate:

I saw this the other day: [URL]https://www.aohostels.com/en/[/URL].

I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.

Visited a couple days before Christmas, so maybe the lack of women was due to that. Didn't see anything above a 5, and most were 2-3. Total of 5 ladies present.

They changed their pricing structure to regular FKK instead of Pauschal club. Entry 30 and 30 per session. Extras like CIM are still
Included but couldn't find one that would accept that particular extra. Hmmmmm.

Also, according to most, no more AO. Not important for me as I don't partake anyway, but may be important to some.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2123173]Sorry for the multiple posts, but I figured there are a few different boards where this might be appropriate:

I saw this the other day: [URL]https://www.aohostels.com/en/[/URL].

I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.[/QUOTE]No, I stayed in one but it is a really cheap good quality location for the price and clean usually. About 10 euros per night sometimes. The only problem is that if you are out at clubs at night and sleeping during the day it becomes a problem. However the other problem is with hotel check in times, which are not good for night club visits.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;2123181]Visited a couple days before Christmas, so maybe the lack of women was due to that.
[/QUOTE]Arabella should be crammed with girls now. According to its website, [URL=http://www.grimbergsauna.com/]Grimberg [/URL]is closed for renovation, and the girls have been relocated in Wattenscheid.

Thinking about a trip in a few weeks. Arabella and p3 swingers club are only 1. 4 km from each other [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/6Uaj7EpDMKQ2[/URL] . I could do Arabella in the day time and 'swing' down to P3 in the evening. Hope Arabella doesn't get closed for renovation like the other sister clubs.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2124628]Thinking about a trip in a few weeks. Arabella and p3 swingers club are only 1. 4 km from each other [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/6Uaj7EpDMKQ2[/URL] . I could do Arabella in the day time and 'swing' down to P3 in the evening. Hope Arabella doesn't get closed for renovation like the other sister clubs.[/QUOTE]Recently visited Arabella Venus & grim.

Venus had the best & largest Lu with grim a close 2nd. Arabella was barely better than banging my knee on a concrete slab!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2125246]Arabella was barely better than banging my knee on a concrete slab![/QUOTE]Really that bad?

[QUOTE=Wanking;2125521]Really that bad?[/QUOTE]For my tastes it was bad, but I've seen you session with a wide variety of girls so Arabella would be ok for you. If grim is closed for renovations then Arabella's Lu should be much better.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2125521]Really that bad?[/QUOTE]Two of my friends went to Arabella during last month in 2 different days and both told me that the line up was not good.

As said before, it really changes a lot. Just before Christmas the line up in Arabella was more than 10 girls and relatively good (with the Freude girls there). But I also know a few of them left for home soon afterwards. At the moment it shouldn't be to bad, with Grimberg closed and the girls transferred to Arabella (not sure if all of them went).

In general YMMV with the smaller RTC clubs.

Good service with mediocre women is fine for me.

Really njoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.

Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.

I had a better day here than in F39 previous day although I still had a decent day there.

Did a lovely big arse Brunette in I'm Winkel Rld last night, pretty good for 30.

P3 swingers was very quiet tonight and I got nothing apart from a big feed and some drinks. Still ok for 35 euro.

More later as always.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2134060]Really njoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.
Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.[/QUOTE]Good to know, I waiting for your full report as usual. Enjoy.

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[QUOTE=Wanking;2134060]Really enjoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.
Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.[/QUOTE]You must be referring to the super tall, haughty looking Jasmin who temporarily moved to Arabella whilst Grimberg is closed?

She has been discussed a few times on here in recent months. Mainly concerning her off-putting demeanour and deportment.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2134220]You must be referring to the super tall, haughty looking Jasmin who temporarily moved to Arabella whilst Grimberg is closed?

She has been discussed a few times on here in recent months. Mainly concerning her off-putting demeanour and deportment.[/QUOTE]She seems aloof but still provides good service. She's been like that since she first started at Venus.

I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.

The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.

The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar.

Prices are 30 entry, 15 after 8 pm, 25 min session 30 eur, 1 hour session 70.

There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses.

Jasmin, wow most beautiful looking FKK girl I've done ID say. Took her for 25 min session first just after I arrived and still didn't feel ready for it, so took a break, went for a shite and a coffee, and then took her for an hour. The hour sess was excellent, she allowed everything except going near her arschehole, although she did eventually let me lick it. Came deep in her pussy near the end. Deepish kissing, licking, fingering pussy, and great blowjob. Excellent English, and friendly attitude with decent sense of humour. She does seem aloof from the other girls.

Sindy, 30's, Bulgarian, lovely long dark Curly hair, big titten. Did 25 minutes, didn't cum or didn't try to cum, she got wet at my licking and did nice DFK.

Denisa, looks a bit like Reese Witherspoon. She is 33 and has been there 7 years. Seems like a bit of a 2nd theke and kind of Mothers the younger girls a bit. We did some dirty dancing for about 20 minutes, then I threw her down on the couch, licked her pussy until the theke put a halt to it. Then took her to the room, fucked her hard, went into a 69, licked and rimmed her deep, and finally came in mouth well after the 25 min mark but she still only charged me 30.

The customer base her is made up of mostly over 40 yearold local blokes, plus all white too so I guess they must still have a racist door policy. I didn't see anyone non white in the 2 days I was there.

Food is bread roll sandwiches with either Salami or cheese, plus some fruit, biscuits and cakes. I think those bread roll sandwiches are great and arr enough to keep any sex tourist going for 8 or 10 hours. Not sure what the situation is I in this club regarding ordering in food as I didn't see any menus about.

On Monday I spent 6 hours there, and just did 2 girls.

Jenina or Jemina or Vagina (or Regina or something) early 20's with really dark hair to her waist and lovely curvy slim body. Standard service, 25 minutes and came on her perky tits in the end. Pussy totally dry, even the Wanking licking couldn't get that one wet.

Took a good break and then had an earth shatteringly good session.

Carmen, young slim Ro brunette, with saggy tits. Pretty face and nice eyes, not the type ID normally go for really. She had grown on me over the 2 days tho. I thought ID have 25 minutes with her and then have my finale with Jasmine. As soon as I sat on the couch with Carmen I got great vibes. Her kissing was really deep and she just seemed into from the off. In the room this was pure GFE, so I told her we would do the hour. I ended up having one of the best sessions of my life. We started off fucking missionary then into 69, where she let me finger both holes deeply, pussy really wet, then doggy style while I fingered her arse, then she asked "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord114][CodeWord114][/url] ficken?

YES FUCKING PLEASE!! So fucked her in her very clean arse and then she back into 69 and finally a big cum in her mouth. Just amazing. One of my best sessions ever.

Verdict. Best run FKK club I've ever been in, amazing service plus the girls seemed happy enough there.

Good to know that have one good 3 holers at Arabella. Is she blonde?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2136774]Good to know that have one good 3 holers at Arabella. Is she blonde?[/QUOTE]Young brunette, 6/10 looks, 11/10 performance. [URL]https://youtu.be/4xgx4k83zzc[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wanking;2136725]I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.

The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.

The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar.

Prices are 30 entry, 15 after 8 pm, 25 min session 30 eur, 1 hour session 70.

There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses..[/QUOTE]Great report!

Denisa reminds you of Reese Witherspoon? Def not my type. Looks more like Roose Bolton!

Janina is cute & doable in a rtc. Stopped doing her after catching her pick her nose, roll it into a ball & eat it. Multiple times in Venus, Arabella & f39!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2136986]

Janina is cute & doable in a rtc. Stopped doing her after catching her pick her nose, roll it into a ball & eat it. Multiple times in Venus, Arabella & f39![/QUOTE]Funny enough I saw her eating her snots too. Must offer her some of mine :d

[QUOTE=SirWanking]I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.

The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.

The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar..[/QUOTE]I hadn't been for a long while and then when I went late last year I noticed that they had shortened the back lounge to add another room or two. This club was already short of lounge space and now there is usually hardly anywhere for customers to sit if there are 10 girls there who are each occupying a couch.

In terms of food I have only ever seen two or three rolls of bread with congealed cheese on top or processed meat like ham. Plus some chocolate sweets and maybe a few rock hard apples that would crack your teeth.

I've seen a couple of Turkish looking guys there occasionally.

Janina? was one of the girls that I went with when I was last there. I recalled that she had a small, hooked Roman beak of a nose but attractive otherwise in face and body. She immediately got out the passion killers when we got into the room but after disapproving noises by me placed them carefully on corner of the bed where they stayed unused throughout the action.

I wonder which theke was there. Was it the tall, old, blonde Anna or was it a short, round, dark haired woman whose name I can't remember? Anna is definitely stern in manner a lot of the time. I agree that discipline is a bit more strict here because you don't tend to get any of the indulgent larking about and lengthy disappearances by the girls like what happens at F39.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2136725]There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses.[/QUOTE]The lesbian looking girl with glasses was probably Anastasia? Did she have a few tattoos all over? I went with her a long while back and the service was satisfactory but nothing special, she did bareback there while it was still legal but before she had been at F39 where she insisted on condom. She must have been in the RTC clubs for about 4 years now.

Sauna Grimberg will reopen after renovation next Tuesday, February 20th. Entry price 15 € all day long.

[URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.com/[/URL]

Arabella should get considerebly quieter after Grimberg girls will have returned to base. I'm curious to hear what has changed with the renovation works.

If they do the same kind of renovation as in freude 39, nothing.

Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.

F39 had around 25.

What about Grimberg?

[QUOTE=Wanking;2142416]Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.

F39 had around 25.

What about Grimberg?[/QUOTE]Grimberg is in the same league as Arabella, I'd say 10 girls at most.

Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.

I intend to go in villa Venus or freude in ten days only for a quick stop but I'm not sure where I'll find the best line up.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2142666]Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.

I intend to go in villa Venus or freude in ten days only for a quick stop but I'm not sure where I'll find the best line up.[/QUOTE]Can try to follow Mina. Bg all over NRW.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2142666]Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.[/QUOTE]Andrea (and her cousin Emma) are still in Luder Lounge and probably will not return to any RTC (for obvious reasons).

Do those reasons have something to do with the kind of service that were provided in RTC before 1st July 2017 ?

[QUOTE=Wanking;2142416]Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.

F39 had around 25.

What about Grimberg?[/QUOTE]Jasmine will most likely return to Grimberg.

Gentlemen,

I have a question for the experienced mongers among you.

I love those porn videos where some lucky guy swaps between two or more girls pussies at a whim, back and forth.

Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!

I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?

Thanks guys, have searched but not found any answers yet!

How would Arabella be for this? Recommendations?

DT.

[QUOTE=DickTravel;2150701]
Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!
I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?
[/QUOTE]Well, in my experience in RTC (before 1st July 2017) I had 3/4 threesomes and not need to swapping protection.

[QUOTE=DickTravel;2150701]Gentlemen,

I have a question for the experienced mongers among you.

I love those porn videos where some lucky guy swaps between two or more girls pussies at a whim, back and forth.

Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!

I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?

Thanks guys, have searched but not found any answers yet!

How would Arabella be for this? Recommendations?

DT.[/QUOTE]Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2150750]Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.[/QUOTE]Please stop to dream it is more or less impossible to find 2 girls accepting AO, and the story with the condom is a killer so no treesome for me.

Thanks guys, I know it sounded a bit of a daft question, but I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that bizarrely they don't like sharing their own fluids. It seems some of you have had no issues there so that's good to hear. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2150750]Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.[/QUOTE]

Having tried all the major FLU clubs around FRA and the golden triangle if LR, GT, VV, I figured it was time to try something more adventurous, so I went to Arabella for the first time last night.

The idea was to try an ao 3 some, but as it goes there were not two girls who took my fancy and my lack of German does not make banter and chat easy.

However, a very young looking tall thin a cupped cutie RO girl with pony tailed dark blonde hair caught my attention the moment her cute ass wandered by.

I had to wait as another guy took her but it was worth it.

I forget names but thinking may have been Elena?

She about 20 if not younger?

Covered service only on offer but I had to have her anyway!

I asked to massage her a bit to start so I could taj a good long look at that ass and legs mmmm. Then an ok old style BJ to get me going and on to a not at all animated ficken in missionary.

She did some light DFK and gazed into my eyes with her rather beautiful eyes but was not really into it at all.

However, she was lovely and tight and with that hot tight body to wander my hands over I was soon finished and a happy man.

I also took a quick pre closing session with Katya BG.

Enthusiastic and good attitude but not really my type and a little extra on the waist. I was tired and did not finish but enjoyed the special service for this probably one off occasion.

The club overall is a bit shabby, dingy downstairs, ok showers, way too Smokey.

I doubt I will be back as the optics level was too low for me generally. Well worth a shot though and chalked up a new mongering adventure.

Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?

I think the tall girl is Jasmine.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2153550]Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?

I think the tall girl is Jasmine.[/QUOTE]Ah yes that's right, thankyou.

About 8/9 ladies present.

3 or 4 long black haired heavier build ladies plus three others which I would personally call "attractive".
The young spinner I enjoyed, a black straight haired 20 something pretty cutie wearing black stockings with slightly saggy be / see cups, another very slim girl with mousey blonde / light brown hair tied up / bun. These last two were hanging out with two guys I assume were regulars. Plus one other neck length died blonde wearing a meshy / stocking outfit.

Not a great line up for me, I did sit quite a long time sipping water waiting the 1 girl I really wanted and didn't get to sample the other two due to locals being with them.

Again, don't think I shall repeat, but it is an ok low cost option for a quick hour or two if passing through maybe.

Each to their own.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2153550]Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?

I think the tall girl is Jasmine.[/QUOTE]Jasmine returned to Grimberg once it re-opened.

[QUOTE=DickTravel;2153581]Not a great line up for me, I did sit quite a long time sipping water waiting the 1 girl I really wanted and didn't get to sample the other two due to locals being with them.[/QUOTE]Timing is everything in these small clubs, I find that only one in three are doable and there are periods when they disappear. If that happens then you have to wait some time before they return.

Will do proper report when I get keyboard.

Went to Venus. 30 entry and 30 for 25 minutes, 70 for an hour.

There were about 14 girls, of whom 7 were possible for me. The problem was that like at Freude there were too many men. I did four sessions in four hours, but I decided to leave as I counted 12 men waiting, and only two visible girls in the main room. It seems to me that the attendance at these clubs has rocketed in the last year. Unintended consequences of a certain something?. Maybe everybody values these clubs more. I can't know as my visits are only shapshots.

The atmosphere is deadly as always, with the stupid anti activity layout of the couches so most men sit at the back in group isolation.

The price level was way below Freude and the service better. My worst session was the average I got at Freude. My best session was good enough to extend for an hour. All my girls kissed at Venus to some degree, and one certainly came.

No new Queen for my heart, but maybe a minor royal in the making. Not sure how it will go as she is not a gypsy. I might go back to develop her rather than do the 400 km round trip to see how potential Queen Elena at Dietzenbach is doing.

I had planned to go to another club after but turned out not to be possible.

About 8 girls.

Carmen (looks much better now being thinner than chubby), Sabrina, Melissa, Genina, Corinna, two chubby girls, and one who wanted condom only so I didn't give a damn who she was.

No Arianna or Alexandra. A little disappointed, but went with Carmen (tight pussy), Corinna, and Genina. 30€ admission and 30€ each girl.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2154545]Will do proper report when I get keyboard.

Went to Venus. 30 entry and 30 for 25 minutes, 70 for an hour.

There were about 14 girls, of whom 7 were possible for me. The problem was that like at Freude there were too many men. I did four sessions in four hours, but I decided to leave as I counted 12 men waiting, and only two visible girls in the main room. It seems to me that the attendance at these clubs has rocketed in the last year. Unintended consequences of a certain something?. Maybe everybody values these clubs more. I can't know as my visits are only shapshots.

The atmosphere is deadly as always, with the stupid anti activity layout of the couches so most men sit at the back in group isolation.

The price level was way below Freude and the service better. My worst session was the average I got at Freude. My best session was good enough to extend for an hour. All my girls kissed at Venus to some degree, and one certainly came.

No new Queen for my heart, but maybe a minor royal in the making. Not sure how it will go as she is not a gypsy. I might go back to develop her rather than do the 400 km round trip to see how potential Queen Elena at Dietzenbach is doing.

I had planned to go to another club after but turned out not to be possible.[/QUOTE]Four sessions and able to come 4 times great congratulations all this in 54 hours and without Viagra.

Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2155465]Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.[/QUOTE]I was there recently & noticed the same. I prefer to arrive early & leave around 6 pm.

Went at 12:15 pm, paid 30 Entry.

About 12 girls. Veronica, Emma, Bianca, Alexia, Sally, Oana, Maja, Laila, and 4 others that I forgot the names of.

Emma's tall and pretty, but she easily gets tired. She mentioned going back to Romania tomorrow to see her mother (which explains her lack of enthusiasm)!

Maja, I've had about a year ago, and she's still good.

Alexia, is someone I never tried before and she has great energy! I would definitely repeat with her in the future! 30€ each girl.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2155465]Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.[/QUOTE]I was there a few times until last week, and several times in my past trips. Nearly always I left at closing time, walking out and driving through and among cars with plates of our beloved Romania. I too saw some traces of glass on the street, I must think I have been lucky in not having any damages apart from the several rooms. LOL!

A few names of the staff: Melly, Maria (now with silicone in the boobs), Michaela, Andrea, Anna, Alexia, Monika, Rebecca. Optically speaking no stars, but good and well over average service. Many germans think that the best service is in Grimberg, it is probably true, but also the poor eyes need a share and something which might entice, so for me it is still better Venus.

In Grimberg there have been some works of renovation, most of them didn't catch my eyes, which were not even busy watching the girls. What you cannot help noticing is the (annoying) wall by the stairs going downstairs, but unfortunately no renovations among the line up, apart from Lori, quite valid in all departments, and an ugly girlfriend of hers whose name escaped me, only worth mentioning because she made 1 room in 8 hours, at the stroke of the seventh one. So, since the extinction of the dinosaurs: Lily, Micky, Katy, Angie, Sissi, Cristina, Jasmine, Antonia (busy in ignoring, avoiding and refusing customers), Emanuela (same "occupation" of her latter colleague, but with less effort and lower results). Slim Diana back in Dietz.

If somebody bothers to go to these clubs, please find the time to write something. I am doing it at 5 am

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2155664]I was there a few times until last week, and several times in my past trips. Nearly always I left at closing time, walking out and driving through and among cars with plates of our beloved Romania. I too saw some traces of glass on the street, I must think I have been lucky in not having any damages apart from the several rooms. LOL!

A few names of the staff: Melly, Maria (now with silicone in the boobs), Michaela, Andrea, Anna, Alexia, Monika, Rebecca. Optically speaking no stars, but good and well over average service. Many germans think that the best service is in Grimberg, it is probably true, but also the poor eyes need a share and something which might entice, so for me it is still better Venus.

In Grimberg there have been some works of renovation, most of them didn't catch my eyes, which were not even busy watching the girls. What you cannot help noticing is the (annoying) wall by the stairs going downstairs, but unfortunately no renovations among the line up, apart from Lori, quite valid in all departments, and an ugly girlfriend of hers whose name escaped me, only worth mentioning because she made 1 room in 8 hours, at the stroke of the seventh one. So, since the extinction of the dinosaurs: Lily, Micky, Katy, Angie, Sissi, Cristina, Jasmine, Antonia (busy in ignoring, avoiding and refusing customers), Emanuela (same "occupation" of her latter colleague, but with less effort and lower results). Slim Diana back in Dietz.

If somebody bothers to go to these clubs, please find the time to write something. I am doing it at 5 am[/QUOTE]Diana at Venus & Grimberg was there during the beginning of my trip but not towards the middle / end. I guess Diana Grimberg moved to Dietz. Antonia acted as if kidnapped by aliens!

Kathi is still turning people away except maybe 4 men (her mood swings frighten people. So much that she is seen sitting alone! No Jasmine today.

Had Lily, Emilia, Emma (twice), and Antonia (twice)! I avoided Angie.

I feel bad for the last guy who took Kathi because she rolled her eyes before seeing him leave as if she was bored! Such an ice queen! Has a slightly flab stomach (did she give birth to a kid? Or is she eating the same stuff as the rest?) and her butt has cellulite! Still looks doable if you can get past her attitude!

Three days in Venus and still queues of men for Erica and Andrea, the two newest, young slim members. What has happened to make these clubs so popular?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2155993] What has happened to make these clubs so popular?[/QUOTE]Great question / observation.

Reading your recent posts and others for some time coupled with my recent Dietz trip has left me wondering the same thing. Last Dietz trip was very busy at times it got frustrating and girls had guys on the couches already waiting for them pre-booked we can call it. It also happens that I chat with several guys from my own region here many whom have never been to Germany going for the first time and they inquire a lot less about the mainstream clubs than they do Dietzenbach. I do not think it is just the AO as AO is readily available in Texasbach. They all want to enroll in day care, last year this time all the questions were about Oase, Sharks etc. I do not know what happened either to crowd these clubs up or this sudden interest I get from others about Alice's.

We might not be able to crown new queens, in fact we might have to play ' Grab any Gypsy you can get' until the crowds loosen up. If all else fails I at least have Erika sitting in the back on her couch in Little Bulgaria ostracized by the others. I actually like her.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2155993]Three days in Venus and still queues of men for Erica and Andrea, the two newest, young slim members. What has happened to make these clubs so popular?[/QUOTE]It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!

Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.

For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2156047]It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!

Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.

For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.[/QUOTE]Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156154]Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.[/QUOTE]Yes. You're correct. Grimberg was also packed like sardines. F39 was dead during the day as it was 20€ entry till 8 pm. From 8 pm 10€ entry & it became very busy till midnight. Dietz feels like it's busy because Anna & Sara (not there anymore) would disappear up stairs for hours or hangout with Alice at reception diddling themselves. I skipped the place the past 3 trips since September so I really don't know.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156154] the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days[/QUOTE]I would have a theory: since the bloody law came on last July, and with the "endorsement" of this January, in all clubs (also non-RTCs) even the basic offers like BBBJ have gone down. Some girls use this excuse to turn down customers which they don't want. So in RTCs you have better expectations and anyway lower price to pay. Not everybody wanted to fuck AO, but I reckon 99% of customers wanted BBBJ. I was in LuderLOUNGE (Dortmund) a couple of weeks ago, a normal club, I will probably post something if I find the thread and the time. I was a foreigner, a first timer, and the question about that was caught and dealt with with panic, sweat and astonished eyes, eyes which had been used to do it for several years with a smile and without any request.

About Venus being overcrowded: in my opinion the main reason is Barbara (yes, the theke). Venus is pratically the only RTC club which nearly never has a happy hour. If it has it, it is in the evening and lasts hardly a week. Last time was a few weeks ago, and I don't even recall the previous time. Verena, Romantika, F39, Luderland are on constant HH, morning and evening, even until 2 pm, and sometimes empty in spite of that. Even Grimberg and Arabella have sometimes HH for a longer or shorter period, but Venus doesn't.

Apart from a larger turnover in last couple of years and an average higher number of girls available, and with good looks and skills, Barbara runs it how it should be run, even excessively, we might say in the "highest way" you would expect in Germany. She is tough, sometimes too much, but has everything under control and keeps the order, she makes sure the girls do what they are supposed to do: in Venus girls don't disappear, less than ever for ages, don't hide, are always available in good number (I mean that they don't go to eat all together leaving the club empty), they have to observe time, it is really difficult that they refuse someone and they will have to justify with trouble (while in Grimberg there seems to be a competition or prize among Emanuela, Antonia, Katy, etc., as also DMD2017 observed, for the girl who refuses more customers, and thekes don't mind or laugh), etc.
Just one example: some 10 days ago a customer and a girl came down after hardly 15 minutes, the man shily said a couple of words and Barbara exploded. The energy released, like a bomb, lifted and pushed them back upstairs. I felt pity for the girl who had terror in her eyes, and when the interpreters translated the problem to her she was like in trance.

Also, I "suppose" that in Venus a customers doesn't have to worry too much about what's on offer and at which price. In the other clubs you are likely to face surcharges, limitations, refusals, etc. For instance, in Luderland, I selected 3 girls who were new and fuckable for me, only one of them agreed to the "standards", and it was on our second room. One of her friends even asked for 20 euros more, I answered that I normally expect extra time and / or a discount (especially for rooms of one hour) on top of the due service. In Verena there was probably the best of looks (due to 2-3 girls), but various "obstacles" were on the way.

Now more than ever, anyway, it depends on you what you might get and at which conditions. I would say apart from Venus, at least when Barbara is theke..

As to Dietz, my last visit was about one year ago. Girls, like in Grimberg, are more or less the same ones since ages. I wrote more than once that their luck is that they have no competition in their "department", because, generally speaking, nor the looks nor the service are that good to me. But I am glad some people are happy. And surprised that one of them is the vaccinated not-beginner Optimist.

Just my opinions.

EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.

Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.

Generally I think your points are correct.

She's always been nice to me since her days at Arabella years ago. Yes EG, she even made a plate for me many times at Venus.

They need a Barbara type at Grimberg to keep Kathy from sweet to on the rag & Antonia to sit around refusing clients hiding volleyball ting dust on the couch.

Dietz was really great when the old German Tina was running it. None of the BS crap that currently goes on. Ordering lunch took 10-15 minutes. Eating lunch & washing about the same amount. No diddling themselves goofing off at the reception. Then I a retired & helped out on Tina's off days. Then Tina was gone & Ina was there most days with Milena working on Ina's off days.

Once Alice took over it's been a fucking joke at Dietz. All the good girls have left & just the leftovers that look like someone wiped their asses with are left. Anna still looks good but the the the the the that's all folks!

I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.

You reach it either by car or by tram to Amsterdammer Strasse and then 20 minute walk (or bus 910), ending up in a large commercial area, which outside business hours is almost totally deserted. Hence the ghosts which sometimes break car windows at night.

Normal entry procedure, press bell, wait to be buzzed in, the door opens and a girl hiding behind the door so as not to be seen, presents you with a towel. You then pay 30 euros to the woman behind the counter, Barbara, who gives you two keys, one for the downstairs clothes locker, and one for the upstairs valuable small locker (just behind you on the left). All the girls will by now have checked you out. Barbara appears unyielding at first, but is very pleasant once you are known not to be an idiot.

You change downstairs (after getting the key you retrace your steps towards the entrance). Of you are lucky you will not notice any worn carpet or faded dreams. Downstairs is also a sauna, showers, and a couple of ancient couches where men often relax. It is dark and dingy. The showers mostly work, and are probably cleaned sometime, maybe on New Year's Day, and the Lord's Ascension.

Returning upstairs you will find that there are some cheap pastries on the counter, and two machines for water, cola etc, plus a jug of coffee. The toilet is just past the machines turn left round a corner. There is also a small outside area at this end of the club, and also a room where the girls eat.

Everybody will have been noting you since the girls are not allowed to approach. The club is basically one main room with three rows of couches, four couches in each row, plus couches against the side walls. There is a wall within this room which obscures some couches. Everybody as a result is facing forward, with most girls sitting at the front and on the couches in the main part of the room. If like most men you go to one of the obscured couches or at the back, you get a good view of the backs of the girls heads. I get round this either by sitting on a girl's couch while she is away in a room, or by loitering at the front of the room. Some men reserve the popular girls by sitting on their couches waiting for them to return from a room.

The girls are pleasant but there is little scope for passing them while they are walking, as they rarely move, except to go to a room, to open the front door, or to deal with the washing of the towels.

The music is to my mind miserable, but some people like the anodyne nature of very middle of the road stuff.

So a very quiet atmosphere.

The most popular girl at the moment is new Erica, slim, nice face, always busy, and even when she is not in a room, she is active, doing makeup, walking off to the girls' room and back. Full of energy. There is nothing not to like about her. And like all the girls in the club she charges 30 for 25 minutes, and 70 for an hour. Maybe she has about 20 customers a day.

Ana is super slim and also nice looking. Good service, but limited kissing.

Andrea is tiny and slim, and very reserved in the room, limited kissing, limited conversation, and one of the worst blowjobs I have ever had. But for 30 euros.

Alexia is slim also and does DFK and all the same services as the other girls. She has more of a personality on show, and can be a reasonable conversationalist also. She is also very busy. I found it hard to finish with her but she like all the other girls was willing to be fucked deeply and for a good length of time, which is not the case in all clubs.

Overall it is really good value, but the girls do have a tendency to be a bit unadventurous (unsurprisingly given how busy they are). All my girls did blowjobs, DATY, change of positions, and did their best. I chose the optically best girls, and I know that more lively service can be had with some of the other girls. To my chagrin I have to admit total defeat on getting any of the girls to have orgasm. The experience was good enough for me to have repeat sessions with some girls over three days.

As already mentioned I have never seen this club so busy as it now is. I had not been since well before July 2017 and was surprised that a cold snowy icy March saw the club to be so busy with men. There were about 14 girls (I think) and four were very slim, two or three quite slim, and none grossly fat. In ratio terms that is pretty much up with many big clubs. Often there were maybe 8 or 9 men in the main room and maybe five girls (the least popular ones of course).

A word of warning. Although the closing time is midnight or later, you might find yourself evicted along with other guests any time after 21.30. The girls work very long hours so when the club is quiet, or if the girls are very tired, the club will close to look after the girls.

So, typical Red Carpet Club, but without the family illusion at Dietzenbach and without the pot luck spikes of fun (and depression) at La Luna. It is very hard to spend all day here as there is no change of scene and no food (though you can order in pizza and go out to eat and return).

Cheap, and good value. I was a little disappointed as I had lost my Queen from Dietzenbach (to use Kosher Kowboy's terminology) and unsurprisingly did not find anyone I liked as much.

Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.

Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.

I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156752]I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.
.[/QUOTE]Excellent great report Optimist.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156756]Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.

Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.

I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I like Alice & I've known her since she was a fresh 18 yr old hottie at Grimberg. Those were the days when club prices changed hourly! She does her job behind the desk, but lets the girls do whatever they want. They need a Barbara type to run things. Some people might enjoy waiting around all day or just banging anything available because its raw. I'm a bit picky & only a few girls do it for me. During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.

I might have been a bit harsh on the lu.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156387]EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.

Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.

Generally I think your points are correct.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Luder Lounge? I have been there 4 or 5 times, service was great. There had been some incidents when I entered. Someone mentioned this was a former Nazi club.

I am not white and have never been refused entry anywhere ever, never been to the infamous GT.

1. A hideous receptionist asked me in an unfriendly way in German if I know what is allowed there? I said I was there the day before and I was let in.

2. A working girl let me in, the Thekefrau seemed mad at her about it, maybe this was about rank and procedure, but this same Thekefrau was very nice to me all day, I got some free cocktails.

3. A nicer looking MILF receptionist asked in German, " this is a private club, have you been here before?" The girls vouched for me but that put a bad taste in my mouth.

The girls and service were Great but otherwise this was a cheap grimy place, what was the big deal on getting in? I thought they were being racist and I left after 2 hours and never returned. Could it be that they weren't being racist?

Delta. I was talking about Venus. I don't know if it is racist in any way.

Wanking. Thanks

Vito. Point taken. In fact girls goofing off as I think you put it, ruined my visit to Freude for exactly the reasons you say. I will report when have time

Cheers all

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2157469]During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.[/QUOTE]Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2157661]Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.[/QUOTE]They always chase me around when I do that!

I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2158220]I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]It's got its own thread.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2158220]I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I'm not sure if they're any AO clubs near Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156752]I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.

You reach it either by car or by tram to Amsterdammer Strasse and then 20 minute walk (or bus 910), ending up in a large commercial area, which outside business hours is almost totally deserted. Hence the ghosts which sometimes break car windows at night.

Normal entry procedure, press bell, wait to be buzzed in, the door opens and a girl hiding behind the door so as not to be seen, presents you with a towel. You then pay 30 euros to the woman behind the counter, Barbara, who gives you two keys, one for the downstairs clothes locker, and one for the upstairs valuable small locker (just behind you on the left). All the girls will by now have checked you out...[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.fkk-venus.com/site/an.htm[/URL] It took several searches to find which club you were describing.

Diet Coke. Quite right. Apologies. I seem to have lost the title. If you had asked, I would have saved you those several internet searches.

Please forgive my failing in my effort to produce a helpful report. I hope it might be of be some use nonetheless

So, Villa Venus, Konrad-Adenauer Ring, Duisburg.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2158672]Apologies. I seem to have lost the title.

Please forgive my failing in my effort to produce a helpful report. I hope it might be of be some use nonetheless.[/QUOTE]No need apologize, you have lost no title, the only thing you have lost is your Queen. They come and they go. You will find a new one, seems some new and recycled Gypsies are back at our favorite place. I liked your NRW trip reports for me they were very helpful in deciding for myself (we can only map out our own games) if I should go sample the NRW or not. From your reports and Triptogomont's as well given the fact I know both your guys styles and likes I was able to as we say elsewhere in cyberspace ' make an educated and informed decision ' as how to continue in my travels. On that note BB69, Wanking, DMD and a few others have also provided great information as well. I am sure I left several off but those reports for me have been the most helpful.

I can also say your reports or any reports are very valuable to the board or any board and certainly beat those chest pumping or misleading posts that occasionally get posted. I would like to say I ignore those junk posts (in my opinion) but I actually read each one word for word and in turn better interpret those members reviews as I take them with a grain of salt once it becomes about them and their egos and hunt for love. It is very easy to separate the ' lost in love guys' to quote Air Supply vs the mongers'; I follow the mongers.

I am seeing many more reports than usual recently many from newer contributors so I hope all and yourself for sure continue to share their adventure chronicles to help others.

Good job, keep up the good work. That goes for all the guys pumping out reviews as of recently.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2158700]I can also say your reports or any reports are very valuable to the board or any board and certainly beat those chest pumping or misleading posts that occasionally get posted. I would like to say I ignore those junk posts (in my opinion) but I actually read each one word for word and in turn better interpret those members reviews as I take them with a grain of salt once it becomes about them and their egos and hunt for love. It is very easy to separate the ' lost in love guys' to quote Air Supply vs the mongers'; I follow the mongers..[/QUOTE]KK,

I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard. So let me clarify a few things. First of all I often use "love" when being sarcastic, but it may not often get across very well. Second, the girl I take out gets terrible reviews on German boards, E. G. Not kissing, no ball leaking, no fingers allowed in DATY, and so on, all standard criticisms regarding precious princess behavior. But somehow since my first session with her last year my chemistry with her is different and she allowed CIM at no extra charge in our first session. Since then I had many sessions with her and it was only getting better and better.

Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.

She used to be a webcam girl about four years before her FKK carrier. So at home I get an endless supply of nude pics from her and nude video chat. Do I regret spending some extra cash with her? No. To each their own. Please don't be too judgemental about other mongers and don't call them non-mongers. We are all mongers. One family. That's how I see it.

SmokeLight. Really good you have such a great time: as you say it all depends on chemistry. I must admit to being a bit jealous. I love it when there is some extra chemistry and time with a girl outside the club flies.

Seems to me that you are not what KK meant by " lost in love" guys. You are having a great relationship with a sex worker: that is different from guys who jealously guard their favourites, tediously claiming all sorts of emotional fantasies and writing with an arrogant selfassumed superiority.

As you say, and as KK often says, we all have different styles and indeed needs. Keep up the reports. And if you tire of your girl, give her my contact info LOL.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2159053]KK,

I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard. So let me clarify a few things. First of all I often use "love" when being sarcastic, but it may not often get across very well. Second, the girl I take out gets terrible reviews on German boards, E. G. Not kissing, no ball leaking, no fingers allowed in DATY, and so on, all standard criticisms regarding precious princess behavior. But somehow since my first session with her last year my chemistry with her is different and she allowed CIM at no extra charge in our first session. Since then I had many sessions with her and it was only getting better and better.

Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.

She used to be a webcam girl about four years before her FKK carrier. So at home I get an endless supply of nude pics from her and nude video chat. Do I regret spending some extra cash with her? No. To each their own. Please don't be too judgemental about other mongers and don't call them non-mongers. We are all mongers. One family. That's how I see it.[/QUOTE]Holy shit! I'm in love with your girl and I have no idea who you are even talking about!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2159250]Seems to me that you are not what KK meant by " lost in love" guys. You are having a great relationship with a sex worker: that is different from guys who jealously guard their favourites, tediously claiming all sorts of emotional fantasies and writing with an arrogant selfassumed superiority..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SmokeLight;2159053]KK,

I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard.

Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.

We are all mongers. One family.[/QUOTE]Yes, we are one family. All with different tastes and ways of enjoying the WG's; as you have outlined above or as I have just done blowing another 100 bill to AO a cum dumpster (I was client number 7 she said) punk rocker with tats and ink all over and pink hair. I think Optimist above laid out the point I was trying to get across perhaps I just failed in my wording. It sounds like you found a good working girl and your reasoning of keeping her cloaked is more than understandable. If your shower games were like the ones I enjoyed in Central America and Mexico and Madrid and Austin (sometimes involves the girl having to drink a lot of water prior) I am jealous would enjoy that myself. I do notice in Sharks there is at least one room with a shower stall in it, perhaps that is possible. I hope to get blown off some German road by a WG myself if I buy a car in Germany one day. Getting details from girls is great. I have one girl from Dallas-Fort Worth who tells me her room number and where to park for the best view of her room door when I see her and I get there 15 minutes early so I can see the previous sperm donating guy walk out and than once in the room tells me all the details about him and what they did and if he creampied and I know she tells the truth as the last time she was riding me about 15 seconds in to the ride I felt some liquid (was cold by that time) pour out of her on to me. She was nice and apologized.

So yes, we all have our own tastes, goals and desires and fetishes and are all mongers and one hopefully happy family.

The guys I refer to are far from what you have described. When jealousy and illusions of more than what you describe come in to play that is what I refer to. You separate reality from fantasy but in some guys cases they do not, let us hope they learn not get burned. So no stones cast here, all I can cast is loads and dollars (Euros.) A guy in 2016 here told me when I was first starting out ' Germany has something for everybody you have to find it' and it sounds like you are doing that. Keep up the good mongering, enjoy.

And to sum it up, I sure LOVE those Gyspies!

KK and Optimist,

Thanks for your replies. KK, I am amazed and impressed by your home activities. You a real cowboy, dude! Would be too expensive and risky for me.

Triptogamont,

She is now gone to Romania for a month break over Easter. PM me for her name and her club in NRW. Although late 20's, she is a real spinner, very slim, natural B cup titties, 158 cm without shoes. Cheeky girls face. Playful. I love it when she wears stockings. I say "Hey baby, you look like a prostitute today" and she replies "That was the idea, darling". Also an exhibitionist. Loves mirrors. Many times taken by me and other clients from behind standing in front of a mirror, in her work shoes and little panties pushed to the side.

I always had an amazing time with her. In our first room last summer she included CIM in the price of a one HR room. But please be warned, YMMV. Her freiercafe reviews really suck. No DFK, no ball licking, I even suspect often a CBJ. Her work strategy is as many E50 optifik rooms as possible. She enjoys sex with younger looking clients and muscle body (I am not that category, but good news for some Turkish boys).

Sometimes on WhatsUp she is a bit moody, unhappy or fighting the loverboy. Good and bad days, as true girlfriend would be LOL. But I must say: she never asked me for a money transfer. If she does, it'll be over quickly.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2160517]KK and Optimist,

Thanks for your replies. KK, I am amazed and impressed by your home activities. You a real cowboy, dude! Would be too expensive and risky for me.

But I must say: she never asked me for a money transfer. If she does, it'll be over quickly.[/QUOTE]Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.

Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.

Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2160539]Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.

Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.

Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]I had quite a few Romanian girls in my WhatsApp and FB messenger contacts over past 3-4 years, but I really count only those that lasted more than two or three months. I'd say maybe 4 "longer lasting" contacts in the past couple of years. Each one of them eventually asked for money. That's all they need from us. Something to expect and be ready to say a firm no. I tell them I am under a federal tax audit and cannot transfer any money under an official order. Shortly after the chemistry is gone and the girls don't hang out for too long. If not unfriended right away, they just stop replying.

I see us, the traveling mongers, to be in a more difficult position than the locals. Letting warmer feelings to develop between you and a WG is just another game to play if you are a local. If visiting for a limited time, it may hurt you. Don't let this ever happen. How do you know if it already happened? It's when you stop looking at other girls in the club where she works. It's when you have just done the room with her, now both you and her out of the showers and you see her already flirting with another client who is one of her regulars and it starts to hurt because he is a local and he will bang her any time he pleases. You, on the other hand, will be gone back to the dumbness of the dumb fucking US in a couple of days. When I feel any of this I immediately move to a different club to stop seeing this shit and stop thinking like an idiot in love. Just a small warning to those of us who sometimes catch ourselves developing a "love" for one "special" girl. Bad mistake, we mongers should never allow this to happen. Move on, be happy, enjoy real sex, and avoid WhatsApp money traps.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2160539]Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.

Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.

Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!

I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.

Most of these euro chicks on whatsapp have a sudden family emergency. 95% of Romania must be on life support!!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2160605]I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!

I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.[/QUOTE]Our ' best' girls want a BMW payment for an hour some a BMW payment for a half hour. The best ones can hit the road for LA, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, S Florida and so on. To make a baseball comparison Austin is a A or AA city at best, not even AAA or anywhere near the majors. We are all entitled to our differing opinions and I can offer none on the RTC gals in the NRW as I have yet to go. I also think as has been pointed out before you can be a little hard on the Gypsies at Alice's that I tend to not view as ugly as yourself but we are all entitled to develop our own ratings for girls in any clubs. I will agree with you the Dietz girls are no top notch models by any means. They have just grown on me and somewhere along the line most likely in the fall of 2017 I think I contracted something from Optimist most likely transferred vaginally thru Bianca possibly Elena that triggers my brain to see these Dietz gals in a much different and dignified way. I seem to find myself (and my Euros) a well respected and desired guest in the club so perhaps I am just returning the favor to the gals and see them differently than yourself at this point but lineups change slowly over time and perhaps admittedly the fun times I have with the girls in and out of the room have clouded my vision to their looks. Like the lineups change over time maybe the Dietz gals will be viewed more favorably in the future by yourself as well. While you are fully entitled to your opinion on ' The Gypsies' or any other girls working in Germany or anywhere keep in mind they are still human beings just like you and I. Call them ugly, call them trashy, lazy, high volume garbage or whatever you want but do you really think it is fair to label them as pieces of human excrement in a toilet? Once again you are entitled to your opinion as much as myself or anyone else on this board but I think your depiction of them is pretty harsh. My mother may she rest in peace would probably be appalled at my choice to attend day care but she would be more appalled if I referred to any woman, Wh* or not as a piece of shit. Even in jest.

The right to bear arms came about because the colonists were subject to all kinds of atrocities by the British troops so bearing arms was important (for self defense) at the time but in todays world this is not the case. The amendment should not be abolished (I do go too far w that) but there is zero need for anything more than a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun to defend ones home or to go hunting for food / sport.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2160605]I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!

I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.

Most of these euro chicks on whatsapp have a sudden family emergency. 95% of Romania must be on life support!![/QUOTE]In a split of a second I would trade my rights to bear arms for the rights to have peaceful and legal P4P sex with the trashiest RTC gypsies on US soil and elsewhere. Oh, and use WhatsApp to hook up with them. Please copy and paste what I just said into the 28th Constitution amendment. Please do so ASAP, while I am still in my 50's.

KK. I am honoured, or maybe horrified, to think I have infected you with my special brain wiring which sees these girls as beautiful, and makes me content to be accepted as part of the family at Dietzenbach or similar. Like any family, it needs someone to bring in the money. I started thinking this way in response to meeting too many stuck-up Precious Princesses at Sharks. Or maybe it was just meeting dear departed devious Bianca....lol.

I won't enter the gun debate as I thankfully live in a country where they are few and far between. I am not sure about the historical culpability of British :eek: troops for Americans bearing arms, but will leave that alone as the British have been responsible for all sorts of atrocities right up until almost the present day.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2160796]KK. I am honoured, or maybe horrified, to think I have infected you with my special brain wiring which sees these girls as beautiful, and makes me content to be accepted as part of the family at Dietzenbach or similar. Like any family, it needs someone to bring in the money. I started thinking this way in response to meeting too many stuck-up Precious Princesses at Sharks. Or maybe it was just meeting dear departed devious Bianca....lol..[/QUOTE]My history could be wrong or perhaps it was a partial reason but the only gun that matters is the one in our pants (or towel) and it would be nice if there was a way to allow for rapid fire and the ability to shoot multiple rounds in to the Gypsies where we could set our own refraction times. I will certainly make sure to bring in the money for our Gypsies perhaps I will offer to pay for the bag of lunch that arrives early to mid afternoon however the food would probably get cold trying to explain to Princess Anna the Luncheon Coordinator what I am trying to do. Since you are such a nice honest guy I think I will see Elena and when I pay her give her a down payment on your behalf and let her know she is officially reserved to be crowned by British Royalty. I can not seem to find a Queen yet, few potentials, need to interview them and look for their inner beauty and kind hearts thanks to your screwed up wiring passed through DNA cocktail bartenders Elena or Bianca in either Room 2, 3 or 4 where they usually operate out of.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2160796] I am not sure about the historical culpability of British troops for Americans bearing arms, but will leave that alone as the British have been responsible for all sorts of atrocities right up until almost the present day.[/QUOTE]The right to bear arms is not directly related to 'atrocities committed by British troops', maybe indirectly. Rather the 2nd Amendment was to legalise the raising of Militias, and enabling the Militias to bear arms to fight the British.

A minority point of view is that since there are no more British troops left in the U.S. to shoot at accept for those in exchange programs, a few in training institutes, and a few senior ones in the Defence Attache's Office in Washington, there is no more need for Militias and this Amendment should hence be made defunct.

Here is the relevant extract from the 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ".

Given that the constitution was written for the post-revolutionary period, I doubt the second amendment had to do with defending against the British. It was to allow the populace the option of combating an overreaching US federal government should one develop.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2160794]In a split of a second I would trade my rights to bear arms for the rights to have peaceful and legal P4P sex with the trashiest RTC gypsies on US soil and elsewhere. Oh, and use WhatsApp to hook up with them. Please copy and paste what I just said into the 28th Constitution amendment. Please do so ASAP, while I am still in my 50's.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't trade my rights to bear arms for the chance to do just the gypsies in the rtc's. I would in a split second trade it away if the USA legalizes prostitution in every state & the prices & services the same. If it is like the loser ripoff places in Nevada located in the middle of nowhere & way over priced for crap service then forget about it.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2160777]Our ' best' girls want a BMW payment for an hour some a BMW payment for a half hour. The best ones can hit the road for LA, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, S Florida and so on. To make a baseball comparison Austin is a A or AA city at best, not even AAA or anywhere near the majors. We are all entitled to our differing opinions and I can offer none on the RTC gals in the NRW as I have yet to go. I also think as has been pointed out before you can be a little hard on the Gypsies at Alice's that I tend to not view as ugly as yourself but we are all entitled to develop our own ratings for girls in any clubs. I will agree with you the Dietz girls are no top notch models by any means. They have just grown on me and somewhere along the line most likely in the fall of 2017 I think I contracted something from Optimist most likely transferred vaginally thru Bianca possibly Elena that triggers my brain to see these Dietz gals in a much different and dignified way. I seem to find myself (and my Euros) a well respected and desired guest in the club so perhaps I am just returning the favor to the gals and see them differently than yourself at this point but lineups change slowly over time and perhaps admittedly the fun times I have with the girls in and out of the room have clouded my vision to their looks. Like the lineups change over time maybe the Dietz gals will be viewed more favorably in the future by yourself as well..[/QUOTE]I call it the way I see it. I'm not knocking you or anyone who likes the entire Lu at Dietz or any club. I'm just a newbie who doesn't have much experience. Using baseball terms most of the girls at the RTC's are beer league. Weekend get together with middle aged friends trying to re live their youth. A few have AA potential & AAA aspirations. Some try to make it in the major leagues & get humbled quick. Their were a few who had major league all star looks & bodies like Alina (many years ago for Arabella grimberg aca & Samya) & Raissa (Arabella f39 samya).

When watching a major league team, you expect major league talent. When a single A team, well that's the talent you get with a few AA & once in a while AAA talent.

Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. B-cup, natural. She has tad bit too many tatoos... :-( Nevertheless, I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. B-cup, natural. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin.

All in all, very happy with Salome, which seems slowly to be developing into a serious contender in the NRW scene. When I left the club at about 11 pm, it was humming and I spotted at least 30 girls non-booked (so likely 50 in total) - 10 really good ones. And most importantly, about 6 germans, which I am into.

P.S.: please PM me, if you see german girls in clubs, esp. In NRW. These can best support my verbal tick.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2161137]Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin.

All in all, very happy with Salome, which seems slowly to be developing into a serious contender in the NRW scene. When I left the club at about 11 pm, it was humming and I spotted at least 30 girls non-booked (so likely 50 in total) - 10 really good ones. And most importantly, about 6 germans, which I am into.

P.S.: please PM me, if you see german girls in clubs, esp. In NRW. These can best support my verbal tick.[/QUOTE]First of all, Salome is not part of the RTC chain and not an AO club, at least not openly known as such.

Secondly, Salome never has been and never will be a contender among the big clubs in NRW. It aims almost exclusively at immigrants that reside in Bochum and Dortmund. People that come from farther away are more likely to go to Freude or Verena to get cheap AO.

I thought that Salome was the little sister club of the big Freude 39 when it wasn't a RTC. So it's 40 € for 30 minutes? Not bad.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2161137]Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. B-cup, natural. She has tad bit too many tatoos... :-( Nevertheless, I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. B-cup, natural. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin..[/QUOTE]Interesting report.

For German girls, sometimes on week end at Great Palace Castrop Rauxel, at GT of course, at YY NL, in Hamburg.

Was in Arabella for 2 days, 17th and 19th March. Overall I've had 4 visits there now and have done all the girls there except 1. Service has been very good overall, best I've ever had anywhere really. Its the little things, the kissing, the fingering (maybe half the girls) the CIM, the AO etc.

Last 2 visits I didn't do any 1 hour sessions and I do feel the 25 min session is a bit short, but as always I'm on a budget and I felt happier having cum in the 25 minutes and just paying out 30 instead of 70. Had 4 sessions with 4 cums on the Saturday and 5 sessions with 5 cums on the Monday.

It is boring there between sessions but still I enjoy it there. There is a cozy family sort of atmosphere. Also I ordered in food twice this time, a pork schnitzel with mushroom sauce first day and a pizza 2nd day. Its a 10 euro min charge for delivery so make sure to order 10 euro worth of food. If you order a pizza costing 5 euro it will still cost 10 euro so better order a pizza plus side salad or whatever adds up to a tenner.

My other more detailed report from January is further down the thread.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2161137]Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. B-cup, natural. She has tad bit too many tatoos... :-( Nevertheless, I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. B-cup, natural. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin.

All in all, very happy with Salome, which seems slowly to be developing into a serious contender in the NRW scene. When I left the club at about 11 pm, it was humming and I spotted at least 30 girls non-booked (so likely 50 in total) - 10 really good ones. And most importantly, about 6 germans, which I am into.

P.S.: please PM me, if you see german girls in clubs, esp. In NRW. These can best support my verbal tick.[/QUOTE]Can you describe typical service? BBJ or CBJ? Kissing? DATY? And so on.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2162112]Was in Arabella Also I ordered in food twice this time, a pork schnitzel with mushroom sauce first day and a pizza 2nd day. Its a 10 euro min charge for delivery so make sure to order 10 euro worth of food. If you order a pizza costing 5 euro it will still cost 10 euro so better order a pizza plus side salad or whatever adds up to a tenner.[/QUOTE]Forget the girls. Sounds like Arabella is worth the visit just for the food. You describe it well.

Adding my reports to Villa venus and grimberg with some other details.

Villa Venus Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17.

Do not get this place confused with FKK Venus that is also in the area.

Solid, solid place. Goes into my top 5 clubs.

The prettiest girl (a legit 8 face) was probably the one sitting in front directly across from the cashier. Got to respect the discipline for her to make out like lost lovers with really old guys and young (er) ones alike. For the hottest girl at that place to do that requires sucking it up and it looked like the most enthusiastic DFK out of all the girls as well.

Lines formed for the most popular girl, dark skinned, long haired girl that greeted each customer with a huge smile like they were her very first customer.

I went with the small andrea chick. Gypsy face and not much enthusiasm but like all girls at this place, solid preview DFK and no problems with soft tongue fighting throughout the session. Mechanical sex but took directions well and a lovable submissive attitude.

This place doesn't even pretend about condoms like dietzenbach which had condoms in every room. When I asked for condom, she took 3 minutes to go get one. Will bring my own sagamis the next time I come here.

Loved the 'mandatory' DFK before going to the room from every girl.

Overall lineup optics: 6. 5/10.

Grimberg.

This place is grim as fuck. Horrible lighting originally made the girls here look pretty good, but upon closer inspection. Ugh.

Went with the shorter, dirty blonde romanian girl with the small gap in between front teeth. Was not planning on a session until she jumped me when I was about to leave. Pretty WILD in the room doing a couple positions that I haven't done in years.

Compared to the girls at VV, they were pretty undisciplined here but I still did not see any rejections in over 20 rooms.

Lineup looks on par with Dietz.

Overall lineup optics: 5. 5/10.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2161051]I wouldn't trade my rights to bear arms for the chance to do just the gypsies in the rtc's. I would in a split second trade it away if the USA legalizes prostitution in every state & the prices & services the same. If it is like the loser ripoff places in Nevada located in the middle of nowhere & way over priced for crap service then forget about it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-dies[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2162401]Forget the girls. Sounds like Arabella is worth the visit just for the food. You describe it well.[/QUOTE]For me the Arabella girls are mostly around 7's in looks but the service sells it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2162566][URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-dies[/URL][/QUOTE]Erkrath. That's Magnum territory. The club not the firearm.

Yes on BBJ and DFK.

[QUOTE=DietCoke;2162340]Can you describe typical service? BBJ or CBJ? Kissing? DATY? And so on.[/QUOTE].

My sampling suggests otherwise:

I visited in the same 2 weeks Magnum, Acapulco Velbert as well. Salome had better choice of girls.

Also judging from the cars at the parking lot, customers came from all over. Freude is report to be more low-scale than Salome.

But hey. I have little interest in artificially hyping any club up. Next week I will be at Sharks.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2161139]First of all, Salome is not part of the RTC chain and not an AO club, at least not openly known as such.

Secondly, Salome never has been and never will be a contender among the big clubs in NRW. It aims almost exclusively at immigrants that reside in Bochum and Dortmund. People that come from farther away are more likely to go to Freude or Verena to get cheap AO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2162566][URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-dies[/URL][/QUOTE]I didn't mention not having a couple unlicensed firearms around just in case the sh*t hits the fence!

Well. I just was last week again in Salome. It was ok. But LU was certainly not great.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2162855]My sampling suggests otherwise:

I visited in the same 2 weeks Magnum, Acapulco Velbert as well. Salome had better choice of girls.

Also judging from the cars at the parking lot, customers came from all over. Freude is report to be more low-scale than Salome.

But hey. I have little interest in artificially hyping any club up. Next week I will be at Sharks.[/QUOTE]

I'm back from visiting each and every RTC of NRW. I will try to make a quick review of all of them.

- Romantika it has always been somehow my favourite club, when having a reason for going there. Not only because it is the only one where a room is still 30 euros for 30 minutes, but because it is always fairly empty, even more between the happy hours, which means some 8-9 hours, pratically all afternoon. If I find a girl, or better more, which I like, she's extremely likely to stay with me all the time for free apart from when there might be some other possible customers. And also without having to make discussions with her colleagues or risking to be reproached by the theke for that. This time I was lucky to find one who was on her last day there, she was even forgetting to ask me the money after the rooms, I had to chase her at closing time, already dressed to leave, to pay her! For the rest, another 5 "girls" whom I wouldn't zimmer for free. The theke was nice and english speaking.

- Arabella a solid delusion, 10 girls, only one slim: ugly and sad-faced Bianca (last year Emma in Verena); Carmen is on the chubby side, sweet and offering anal; Sabrina is getting heavier and heavier (in all senses); the rest of the crew: bulgarian Maria, she should be close to pension; bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a man, anyway unfuckable for me (I made a room with her when she was slim and presentable, 4 years ago, quite good); the forerunner dominican who used to work with condoms even years ago, now must be over 40; another 4 monsters I didn't even dare to investigate.

- Grimberg some of you might remember when, before the fall of the walls, the USSR football team was the entire Dinamo Kiev apart from the goalkeeper, coach of both teams was tovarish colonel Valery Lobanowsky. Not sure if the owner got inspiration from that, but the Gelsenkirchener team is unchangeable, set, permanent: Angie, Sissi, Lily, Kathy, etc. The "goalkeeper" in our case is a new, very lively, cheerful, perennially smiling and physically fuckable bulgarian girl: Sara. Defects: being bulgarian. Even if in her case in good faith, she was quite goal-oriented and "enjoying" with intense moans our session, even when my dick was just touching her body but was not inside yet. Inspite of these demonstrations of appreciation from her, my self-esteem didn't grow at her "oh"s and "ah"s, but the room was surely decent.

More will come.

Her weight seems to fluctuate from time to time.

When I first saw her, she was okay (not fat or thin). A few months later, she was chubby and then I didn't go with her. Yet another few months later, she was much thinner but had a little bit of deflated skin (like when you went on a diet and your skin didn't catch up with your loss of belly fat yet)! On my last trip in March, she looked okay again. She must have gained a bit from the Easter holiday where all the girls go back home and eat a lot!

I do remember a time when Lily from Grimberg was absolutely fuckable and thin, but that was almost 2 years ago! I sure hope her weight comes down, but that might be wishful thinking!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169429]bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a man[/QUOTE]She does not look like a man to me, female, a little thick and plain.

I remember her from years ago at Freude39 when AO was standard but she would only do it with a condom. Since then, I did her AO once at Arabella although it was at least a year ago. Now with the new laws I expect that she is back to her old ways so I did not go with her the last time I visited.

I was thinking about visiting Arabella a lot on my next trip (sadly that is not until mid summer) but may add Romantika to the mix now.

"Stars" and beauties were absent: Andrea, Laura and Tina in Romania; Sonia in F39. But there were a few new faces.

Emma: Good body, bad teeth, she thinks to be who knows who and what. The only satisfaction I got from her was to be informed that I have a big dick, but neither this time my self esteem grew. Well, I would like to remember to those who might be envious with me for this reason, that a small dick can enter anywhere and doesn't disturb the owner of the holes. In her honour, I must say that I unloaded, even if through atrocious physical sufferences by her side and psychological exhauriment by my side.

Maria: short, slim, young, pretty gipsy face. She looks a bit indifferent, but in the room she gave me great satisfaction inspite of not having great skills. Boosted up my self esteem, LOL!

Sara: bulgarian, gipsy face but not beautiful, her body is quite good. She follows instructions without complaining, even joking and smiling. The typical bulgarians defects were quite light.

There was another bulgarian I might have tried, but I thought I couldn't be so lucky twice, so maybe next time.

Rest of crew: Ina, still big; Elena, got fatter than ever; Rebecca, got fatter as well, but she takes endless pounding without watching the clock, complaining nor having pains, actually she seems to enjoy quite a lot. At the moment I don't remember the other 2-3 girls who where there, evidently they didn't hit my fantasy. Worth mentioning that none of the girls was tampering any customer for being taken, they were peacefully waiting to be approached, it was nearly boring.

P.S. Downandup,

I respect everybody's tastes even if they are different from mine. What I write is from my personal experience and tastes, of course other men might have better or worse service and different opinions and tastes. I can tell you that I fucked Anastasia AO in Grimberg on Tuesday may 13th 2014 starting the session at 10,10. Some months later, when F39 opened, she moved there. I don't know if and what she allows now, and honestly it doesn't matter to me, but I wish you to achieve what you desire.

DMD,

Carmen is a good room in any case, and still fuckable (I have seen her bigger than now), specially compared to her colleagues of last week.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169545]Snip. Sara: bulgarian, gipsy face but not beautiful, her body is quite good. She follows instructions without complaining, even joking and smiling. The typical bulgarians defects were quite light.

There was another bulgarian I might have tried, but I thought I couldn't be so lucky twice, so maybe next time. Snip.[/QUOTE]I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.

Great reports! Always entertaining!

Glad to have you back!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2169573]I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You would know if you frequent the RTC's! Difficult to explain. Just have to see it yourself.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2169573]I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Jimmy,

When did you have your sessions? I don't read a lot the forum, but I don't remember your post.

Anyway, bulgarian defects in my opinon are: usually efforts to smile and conquer you to their couch, then leave their good mood on the couch; being extremely goal-oriented; couch time pratically zero; usually pathetic kissing if any; will to suck and fuck as quick as possible hoping that the customer will finish sooner; obnovious loud excessive unmotivated fake moaning; ignoring customer's requests to slow down and stop moaning; will and insistence to continuously try to change position hoping to find the one who might make finish the customer as soon as possible; no common languages; rushing out as soon as the session ends. I might have forgotten something.

The only club without any HH at all of all the RTCs last week, and I'd say this one as well. The only club where you actually can go more than once, because you have a variety of choices and alternatives. There are no stunners, none of them stands above the other ones. With one eye closed and a bit of imagination, they are all 6, more or less, let's say they might range from 5 to 6,5 (please note: scale adapted to RTCs clubs!), but the service is generally quite good from all of them (even from the bulgarians!): no surprises, no overcharges, no extras, no discussions, no stress, no etc. Even those who have "problems with performing" (too strict pussy, pains, etc.) will manage to compensate somehow.

A funny episode: a girl had sex on the couch, at the beginning I thought they were ripping the wrapping of a chewing gum, but it must have been something else whose existence I ignore. Eventually the man must have made her "dirty" somehow somewhere (outside her body). I didn't follow the whole matter, but I understood what must have happened by the heavy swears of the gone mad girl, who was now forced to take a shower! A disaster, a tragedy, it really spoilt her day, but I am sure she managed to use as less water and soap as possible by rinsing only the hit areas.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169429]- Arabella ....Carmen is on the chubby side, sweet and offering anal;[/QUOTE]

This is a good news, thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169545]

P.S. Downandup,

I respect everybody's tastes even if they are different from mine. I can tell you that I fucked Anastasia AO in Grimberg on Tuesday may 13th 2014 starting the session at 10,10. Some months later, when F39 opened, she moved there. I don't know if and what she allows now, and honestly it doesn't matter to me, but I wish you to achieve what you desire.
[/QUOTE]EastGoing,

I was not trying to start a fight and I'm not a fan of her either. Just saying that I think that she is more mediocre than anything else in looks, service etc.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169793]Jimmy,

When did you have your sessions? I don't read a lot the forum, but I don't remember your post.

Anyway, bulgarian defects in my opinon are: usually efforts to smile and conquer you to their couch, then leave their good mood on the couch; being extremely goal-oriented; couch time pratically zero; usually pathetic kissing if any; will to suck and fuck as quick as possible hoping that the customer will finish sooner; obnovious loud excessive unmotivated fake moaning; ignoring customer's requests to slow down and stop moaning; will and insistence to continuously try to change position hoping to find the one who might make finish the customer as soon as possible; no common languages; rushing out as soon as the session ends. I might have forgotten something.[/QUOTE]You don't remember them since my posts are from a long time ago, as I haven't been to an RTC club since the end of 2015. Thanks for the info. However, wasn't Marianne at Venus Bulgarian? She was a great session until she cut me off.

EastGoing. AgaIn, welcome back to your informative cock-eyed style, much missed. I think your assessment of the optics is a bit harsh, but then maybe it is my vision and mental faculties are fading. Maybe you will tell me that a beauty I went with was in fact a rugby player.

Keep dedicating yourself to reporting for us on the dark regions where the creatures lurk.

Cheers.

The best club among RTCs for your eyes, it has the best and bigger outside area. Now that nice weather is coming, it is very nice to stay out there sunbathing and relaxing, with a soft drink and possibly a girl on your lap or anyway beside you. I know that for customers going to normal clubs this might sound ridiculous, being so normal, but those who visit RTCs are used to dark caves and normally ignore whether outside it is sunny or stormy. Luderland, which in fact was previously club Globe, has a garden with grass and flowers, which helped me conquering the tender heart of a girl: I shyly went to her with a little bouquet and not even half an hour later we were making love! LOL! F39 doesn't even have a window!

Currently, optically speaking, it is the best also referred to the girls (I would say 3-4 stand well above the rest in there and also in the other RTCs), but is littered with traps: limitations, swings of service and moods, changes of offers and extra surcharges lurk on too many couches. What you might get is up to your luck, dealing skills, witts, whatever.

Both thekes, Monika and Cristina, are nice and english speaking.

Just a few names:

Selina, in these clubs since at least 4 years, she got fatter again and says she doesn't offer anal anymore;

Anita, same as above, I don't know whether she still offers it, but she's evaluating an offer from Pirelli to become their new logo, so she might not need anymore to perform;

Dana, met some 4-5 years ago for the first time in Venus, she was fat and unfuckable, now it is since last year she got quite good proportions, but on the "big side", unfortunately she trespasses my allowance of physical compatibility, a pity because she seems to be quite good in zimmer;

Layla, hungarian, she was a great kisser, but came back with 2 asses after a long absence. It seems she works abiding to the laws;

Maria, captivating smile, I counted her as the possible "4" in the above parenthesis not really for her merits but because of the other girls' demerits. Make sure to think well of what you would like to do, because things you might take for granted, specially in this environment, could be out of her service;

Oana, must have doubled up her weight since joining, her teeth frighten me, but it seems she's very sweet in the room;

Finally, a shocking news: there is a girl who disappears for some 10-15 minutes after each room even if she knows there is a line waiting for her. Ashamingly, she showers totally! She goes back to couch fresh and smelling of soap everywhere, even inside her pussy! She says that one of her colleagues does the same, I would say not always and surely not for that long and with so much care. I don't know how much that girl or habit will last!

P.S. What would the colleague of Venus I wrote about in the previous post say if she knew of this outrageous habit?

Agree Luderland has much better infrastructure than most RTCs, smaller than but competitive with F39 in that regard. As you implied, that's mostly momentum from its previous life as a more standard FKK. And AO at Luderland was always, even before the "new" law, something to be asked about rather than assumed. About 80% were AO ready before the law. Now? For those in the Bonn area it's now the closest alternative with the apparently permanent closing of Annabella.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2169429]Bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a man, anyway unfuckable for me (I made a room with her when she was slim and presentable, 4 years ago, quite .[/QUOTE]Good updates there Eastgoing, you forgot to mention her Wonky eye. First time I saw her I thought she was horrible looking but she really grew on me. I think she actually has a pretty face and a nice body. I had a session with her last trip and her cunny smelt real nice, because she hadn't had a session all day and the musky smell had built up over the hours. I also enjoyed talking to her at several times throughout the day.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2170097]EastGoing. AgaIn, welcome back to your informative cock-eyed style, much missed. I think your assessment of the optics is a bit harsh, but then maybe it is my vision and mental faculties are fading. Maybe you will tell me that a beauty I went with was in fact a rugby player.

Keep dedicating yourself to reporting for us on the dark regions where the creatures lurk.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Cock-eyed.. Well, my small head has only one blind eye so it doesn't see the beholder of the mucosas it is surfing, but my big head has 2 eyes who try to scan the girls. The low lights of these clubs hide a lot, but I always investigate as much as possible, in the rooms I also open windows for light (and air). I travel a lot for them and spend the most of my earnings for this purpose, they cater for my sexual needs and sometimes satisfy even a bit of "emotional" ones. Don't take this literally, of course you cannot develop that much of feelings or relationship in such a situation, but plenty of them have given me much better sex and much more passion than some girlfriends I have had in real life.

I don't mean to despise the girls who work in RTCs, but I can't help noticing they have plenty of physical defects, even many of those I take / have taken repeatedly (for various reasons which could range from lack of alternatives to great service or whatever else) are girls which I wouldn't court or yearn for in real life, because of their bodies / appearances.

For instance, had you ever met Arianna, ex F39 and Arabella, now missing in space? A not that ugly, quite young skeleton with nearly the entire upper arch of the teeth missing. Anyway, even if you don't attend these clubs that much, you must have seen more whales than Jacques Cousteau.

I will take as example Venus girls because you have been recently there.

Anna, who is famous for her good service: nearly a skeleton, small hanging sucked out tits, countless stretchmarks around her hips, ass and upper legs, with massive doses of make up which can't hide (from a close inspection) a face covered by pimples, she has stains of white on her blackish body (or dark stains on her white body?).

Have I zimmered her? Yes, and more than once. Will I again? Extremely probably, at least with the current crew. Why? For a few reasons, at least in my experience: she is always smiling and cheerful, willing to please as much as she can, she never gets tired, in pain nor has any annoying problem, she doesn't mind the watch, etc.

Would I meet her outside (obviously for free) on her day off, if she asked me? Probably yes, because I take pride whenever a prostitute gives me more than she is supposed to, because I reckon much more difficult to be "chosen" and "liked" by a girl who goes with hundreds of men (and many will be younger, richer, more beautiful, etc., than me) without the scruples and doubts that our society imposes to women, than to be "chosen" or "loved" by a girl who has had a few boyfriends, who must pay attention to her choices and reputation, or maybe gives a look to my watch, my car, my income, etc.
Would I approach her if I met her on the beach, not knowing what is her job? No, because I don't like her body, and the outer aspect is the first thing anyone perceives.

Not even considering the "grandmas" Melly, Maria and Michaela BB, what are you left with? A bunch of (mostly quite young) mother girls, with falling tits and other damages from their pregnancies, and a few girls who look even too young (Andrea, Erica) or are chubby (Selina, Rebecca). If it wasn't for the AO and the all inclusive service (kisses, DATY, changing positions, etc.), even performed in such a satisfying way, you wouldn't go with them not even if it was you getting paid!

Before discovering these clubs, I was paying for quite beautiful girls, but basically only my eyes and hands were happy (no AO). In the beginning it was difficult to adjust to this low level, now I am used to it and enjoy maximally with my dick and sometimes a little bit with my "heart", but I have had to sacrify my eyes and often the hands as well. Since I cannot, and anyway I don't want to, pay a beautiful girl hundreds of euros to fuck AO and with GFE all inclusive, I manage to be happy with what I can get.

I don't visit normal clubs with stunners or beautiful girls, like you and many others normally do, so I wonder why I can "realize and admit" what I just pointed out and you can not. However what matters is one's happiness, not what others think.

Don't take it as a bad criticism, you know I highly estimate you and respect anybody's tastes, I am just replying by expressing my points of view ;-)

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2170392]Cock-eyed.. Well, my small head has only one blind eye so it doesn't see the beholder of the mucosas it is surfing, but my big head has 2 eyes who try to scan the girls. The low lights of these clubs hide a lot, but I always investigate as much as possible, in the rooms I also open windows for light (and air). I travel a lot for them and spend the most of my earnings for this purpose, they cater for my sexual needs and sometimes satisfy even a bit of "emotional" ones. Don't take this literally, of course you cannot develop that much of feelings or relationship in such a situation, but plenty of them have given me much better sex and much more passion than some girlfriends I have had in real life.

I don't mean to despise the girls who work in RTCs, but I can't help noticing they have plenty of physical defects, even many of those I take / have taken repeatedly (for various reasons which could range from lack of alternatives to great service or whatever else) are girls which I wouldn't court or yearn for in real life, because of their bodies / appearances.

For instance, had you ever met Arianna, ex F39 and Arabella, now missing in space? A not that ugly, quite young skeleton with nearly the entire upper arch of the teeth missing. Anyway, even if you don't attend these clubs that much, you must have seen more whales than Jacques Cousteau.

I will take as example Venus girls because you have been recently there.

Anna, who is famous for her good service: nearly a skeleton, small hanging sucked out tits, countless stretchmarks around her hips, ass and upper legs, with massive doses of make up which can't hide (from a close inspection) a face covered by pimples, she has stains of white on her blackish body (or dark stains on her white body?).

Have I zimmered her? Yes, and more than once. Will I again? Extremely probably, at least with the current crew. Why? For a few reasons, at least in my experience: she is always smiling and cheerful, willing to please as much as she can, she never gets tired, in pain nor has any annoying problem, she doesn't mind the watch, etc.

Would I meet her outside (obviously for free) on her day off, if she asked me? Probably yes, because I take pride whenever a prostitute gives me more than she is supposed to, because I reckon much more difficult to be "chosen" and "liked" by a girl who goes with hundreds of men (and many will be younger, richer, more beautiful, etc., than me) without the scruples and doubts that our society imposes to women, than to be "chosen" or "loved" by a girl who has had a few boyfriends, who must pay attention to her choices and reputation, or maybe gives a look to my watch, my car, my income, etc.
Would I approach her if I met her on the beach, not knowing what is her job? No, because I don't like her body, and the outer aspect is the first thing anyone perceives.

Not even considering the "grandmas" Melly, Maria and Michaela BB, what are you left with? A bunch of (mostly quite young) mother girls, with falling tits and other damages from their pregnancies, and a few girls who look even too young (Andrea, Erica) or are chubby (Selina, Rebecca). If it wasn't for the AO and the all inclusive service (kisses, DATY, changing positions, etc.), even performed in such a satisfying way, you wouldn't go with them not even if it was you getting paid!

Before discovering these clubs, I was paying for quite beautiful girls, but basically only my eyes and hands were happy (no AO). In the beginning it was difficult to adjust to this low level, now I am used to it and enjoy maximally with my dick and sometimes a little bit with my "heart", but I have had to sacrify my eyes and often the hands as well. Since I cannot, and anyway I don't want to, pay a beautiful girl hundreds of euros to fuck AO and with GFE all inclusive, I manage to be happy with what I can get.

I don't visit normal clubs with stunners or beautiful girls, like you and many others normally do, so I wonder why I can "realize and admit" what I just pointed out and you can not. However what matters is one's happiness, not what others think.

Don't take it as a bad criticism, you know I highly estimate you and respect anybody's tastes, I am just replying by expressing my points of view ;-)[/QUOTE]I could have written this if I had a fraction of your literary capabilities. Very well written and very well communicated. This is exactly why I go to RTCs and not the big clubs. Thank you for posting it.

EastGoing. Perhaps my self-deprecating irony was a bit too obscure. You are 100% correct. I was not questioning your assessment (except to say that you were perhaps a bit harsh). I was just trying to indicate that perhaps my standards when it comes to optics have slipped a bit over the years as in the big clubs it is harder now to find top optics combined with top service at a correct price. Service is more important. I can go to a big club and get my fill of optics without going to a room.

After all, my favourite at Venus used to be Larissa, with the slightly wrinkled skin round her mouth, and her strange teeth. And I recently repeated many times with Alexia with the drooping breasts, and less than fit toned body. And Andrea at Freude whose eyes each look in different directions! And I used to repeat with Angie at Grimberg with the face which looked like it had met an unfortunate accident. I was very happy with all of them. I am not being rude about the girls, just trying to describe them: goodness knows how they would describe me LOL.

Cheers.

Optimist,

A kissmark or any "better treatment" received in a club like Oase is worth much more than those received in a RTC, because they would come from a girl who, alone, would probably be worth all the RTCs put together in terms of beauty.

I want to thank you, Triptogamont, Christian G, Vito, Wanking and all those who appreciate my posts even if they don't write.

Downandup,

Neither I wanted to start any fight, I didn't mean to be any bad, I am sorry that you got that impression. However no problem.

Jimmy,

Marianna, always out of my personal experience, was an ok session in the beginning, when she arrived inF39, after you managed to make her pull out from her pussy all the tissues she had borrowed by some magicians. When she moved to Venus she was already an expert presumptuous princess who couldn't bother to pull out the doves hidden in her pussy just for me and then place them back after our session; she couldn't stay too much in the room, work too much, etc. She cut me out as well fairly quickly. For what she had become, not a great loss. As I always underline, the main problem is whether you have alternatives or not.

Back soon.

Arrived before 11 AM. Said 2 girls but no one in sight. A few guys sunning outside. An hour a chubby arrived. I left but pissed off because forget my lighter and cigs in robe. A waste of 2-3 hours.

30 entry. 30425 and 60460. Did not see much of interest. Then Antasia, who some criticize as mannish arrived. I had seen her a year or so before and she had the best sensual BBJ. Excellent BBJ as before, the best here this time. Then with condom to mission for the finish. Not many girls, some too chubby w / hangy tits. Nothing else available after an hour so called it quits.

I think she's okay and doable. I did her without condom on my trip in March.

I still wish Alexandra and Arianna would return because they were my two favorites! Carmen is okay, but she's my 3rd favorite.

(Old Freude pic of Anastasia)

I had two good days in March. And the past 2 times it was depressing. Like you wrote.

[QUOTE=DietCoke;2170636]Arrived before 11 AM. Said 2 girls but no one in sight. A few guys sunning outside. An hour a chubby arrived. I left but pissed off because forget my lighter and cigs in robe. A waste of 2-3 hours.[/QUOTE]

You mean Luderland Leverkusen. I guess. Can you let us know which day you went?

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2170106]The best club among RTCs for your eyes, it has the best and bigger outside area. Now that nice weather is coming, it is very nice to stay out there sunbathing and relaxing, with a soft drink and possibly a girl on your lap or anyway beside you. I know that for customers going to normal clubs this might sound ridiculous, being so normal, but those who visit RTCs are used to dark caves and normally ignore whether outside it is sunny or stormy. Luderland, which in fact was previously club Globe, has a garden with grass and flowers, which helped me conquering the tender heart of a girl: I shyly went to her with a little bouquet and not even half an hour later we were making love! LOL! F39 doesn't even have a window!

Currently, optically speaking, it is the best also referred to the girls (I would say 3-4 stand well above the rest in there and also in the other RTCs), but is littered with traps: limitations, swings of service and moods, changes of offers and extra surcharges lurk on too many couches. What you might get is up to your luck, dealing skills, witts, whatever.

Both thekes, Monika and Cristina, are nice and english speaking.

Just a few names:

Selina, in these clubs since at least 4 years, she got fatter again and says she doesn't offer anal anymore;

Anita, same as above, I don't know whether she still offers it, but she's evaluating an offer from Pirelli to become their new logo, so she might not need anymore to perform;

Dana, met some 4-5 years ago for the first time in Venus, she was fat and unfuckable, now it is since last year she got quite good proportions, but on the "big side", unfortunately she trespasses my allowance of physical compatibility, a pity because she seems to be quite good in zimmer;

Layla, hungarian, she was a great kisser, but came back with 2 asses after a long absence. It seems she works abiding to the laws;

Maria, captivating smile, I counted her as the possible "4" in the above parenthesis not really for her merits but because of the other girls' demerits. Make sure to think well of what you would like to do, because things you might take for granted, specially in this environment, could be out of her service;

Oana, must have doubled up her weight since joining, her teeth frighten me, but it seems she's very sweet in the room;

Finally, a shocking news: there is a girl who disappears for some 10-15 minutes after each room even if she knows there is a line waiting for her. Ashamingly, she showers totally! She goes back to couch fresh and smelling of soap everywhere, even inside her pussy! She says that one of her colleagues does the same, I would say not always and surely not for that long and with so much care. I don't know how much that girl or habit will last!

P.S. What would the colleague of Venus I wrote about in the previous post say if she knew of this outrageous habit?[/QUOTE]

Normally, when I finish posting, I don't read this forum until the following time I post, since I know it will be quite difficult for me to find something interesting. By mistake I read it again, so...

Kuni042:

Good guess, since the title of my post, the first word that you should have read, was "Luderland", in evidence, in bold print ;-)

I was in Luderland more than once

Please note that, as already said to you by Free Dude, Salome is not an AO club, so do not post about it here.


Diet Coke,

The above point applies also to you.

As I always write, anyone has his own taste, I said Anastasia (not Antasia) is a good room, but I don't like her face, haircut and body, even if in that old photoshopped pic she looks ok, so I simply don't go with her, but I willingly and effortlessly admit that she is a nice polite person.

60 minutes should cost 70 euros, not 60.


DMD,

I am not sure about where Arianna is at the moment, I guess in Romania, but Alexandra should be in London, and I don't really think she will miss Arabella


My next post will be a field report. Until then,

Greetings and best wishes to all.

Went there Friday afternoon around 2 pm so no happy hours, paid 30€ entry fee. 25 min-30€.

14 girls in the club, pics are still in the showcase. Limited food as usual, fruits and snacks, selfservice drink machine.

In my opinion the only girls who worth a room was: Emma, Maya, Alexia, Dana and maybe one more girl. Erika was not there.

First room with Maya Ro, 27 yo. She speak only few words of English, but no problem, she immediately start with DFK on sofa and grab my cock. Few minutes later we went in the room where she start with a great BBBJ, DT attempt and ball licking. Condom on (my choice, I don't know if the old service is available with her) and good fuck in different position with a lot of DFK.

Second room with Emma Ro, 20 yo. She is very cute and fresh for a RTC, DFK and HJ on the couch. In the room good BBBJ and excellent sex, full old service available, but she not do CIM.

Third room: Dana Ro, 26 yo. Blond girls with pornstar face and a bit chubby, some FK on the couch. In the room she provide a good BBBJ with DT attempt and ball licking, sex was mechanic and little participant, full old service available for 10€ extra, she refused CIM.

Went here Sunday morning around 11:30 am paid 15€ entry fee with Happy hours. Limited food with some sandwich and cake.

Line up with 8/10 girls, 25 min - 30€. No showcase with pics, I knew only Anastasia in the group, fucked her years ago at Romantika. Girls were very low quality but I went here only for know Carmen and her ass, so I asked the theke to show me who it is.

I sat on sofa with her, her English is very limited, shaggy boobs and a bit chubby, 23 yo she said but look older. Anyway she is very sweat girl with a lot of DFK on sofa. I whispered in her ear "anal? She smiled and nod. Well go to the zimmer.

We went in a room with armchair, love to sit on it and have the girl kneeling in front of me for BBBJ. She gave a very good one with alot of ball licking, she also let me fingering her pussy and ass.

Move on the bed and she was a little surprised when I asked for condom, old service is full available in all holes with her. I had a very good anal session fucking her nice ass doggy style, finish with CIM. Great service, and I think the anal lovers like me should try her at least once.

Finish with her, I took shower and leave the club to go to Grimberg. I was not interested in other Arabella's girls.

Arrived here around 2 pm, entry fee 30€. Line up with 9 girls (Magda, Kathy, Lily, Christina, Angie, Rebecca, Emanuela, Alina and another bulgarian girl), pics in the showcase.

First room with Alina, very slim, tiny girl with nice ass. In the room she asked if I want CBJ or BBBJ. What you think dear? BBBJ of course. She have good skills and gave me a good suck. Condom on for the sex, fucked her in 3 position: mish, cowgirl, doggy but she was too detached and mechanic with very limited FK. Took of the condom and back to oral sex, but she used her hand more than her mouth and refused CIM, so better I save my sperm, I don't want to cum with HJ.

Second room with Emanuela, she is slim with very nice body. Good service with alot of DFK, great BBBJ with ball licking and passionate sex in cowgirl and mish the only problem was that she did not want to do doggy, WTF! Finish with CIM.

Christian G,

Thanks for your report on what happens to be my top 3 selections. Were more girls pushing for condom service? It seems that I may have to ask before heading to a room.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2181073]Went here Sunday morning around 11:30 am paid 15 entry fee with Happy hours. Limited food with some sandwich and cake.

Line up with 8/10 girls, 25 min - 30. No showcase with pics, I knew only Anastasia in the group, fucked her years ago at Romantika. Girls were very low quality but I went here only for know Carmen and her ass, so I asked the theke to show me who it is.[/QUOTE]Thanks Christian for the update.

I'm over there next week and plan to hit Arabella again. I want to see the same girls again as it strengthens my memory of them when I'm home in bed alone wanking. Reduced entry is a bonus.

Also the girls there tend to be the most Tabulos Ive ever encountered, especially young Carmen..amazing.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2181298]Christian G,

Thanks for your report on what happens to be my top 3 selections. Were more girls pushing for condom service? It seems that I may have to ask before heading to a room.[/QUOTE]I not do AO, anyway all girls went for BBBJ, not need to talk about it. Only Alina at Grimberg asked if I want condom for BJ or not. Emma (Luderland) and Carmen (Arabella) are AO, Dana (Luderland) is AO for +10€ tip. I'm not sure about other girls I fucked because I did not ask and they did not offer it to me but I think you will not have problems finding what you are looking for.

At last some info! Thanks Christian! I don't have much to add to what I wrote last month, I zimmered only 4 new girls. And 2 were in M-EX Buldern! Even among the whales and various monsters of the clubs I visited there were not new faces, actually some had even left. The main purpose of this trip was to meet... a british gentleman, but unfortunately he couldn't show up, so I nearly travelled for nothing. He keeps me travelling continuously and spending money invain in that hope, if I catch him he will have to get a whole pub for me, not only the beer he owes me since ages!

I just write an update about M-EX: the 2 romanian thekes, english speaking, are the nicest thing of the club, which should be turned into a sort of museum, not only for the important collection of monsters. Not rebuilt after world war 2, with a possible unexploded bomb underneath a little garden where hippo cubs peacefully browse undisturbed, waiting for Unesco to add it to their list, M-EX still houses 70+ year old bedside tables, materasses, linings, couches, beds (even with sharp springs, you'd better fuck mish in room 3 or perhaps it was 5), nearly everything is still like it was after the bomb dropping. I was tempted to take a photo of the couches in the garden, I even sat on one of them among flying litttle balls of dust, eventually a guy received a BJ there, but I feared I would have to pay some sort of copyrights.

Girls were 12-14, I would put them in a range between Romantika's and Grimberg's ones, the very most of them was offering a reduced /"handicapped" service, so I even had to repeat the prettiest one, evident sister (but younger and slimmer) of a legendary old glory who entered with me after loooong time, giving me a very good room and the thought of a possible return on my next trip, specially if I don't get new staff in RTCs. Worth noticing that girls I wouldn't even considered when they were in RTCs were now instead on top of the possible to-do list (also for obvious reasons).

Some lockers for wallets have been put by reception, giving you one more "bracelet" to carry apart from the one where it is written how many rooms you have prepaid (and eventually with the names of the girls), 1-4 for 40-70-90-100 euros for 20 minutes rooms, entrance 8. The keys of the dressing room lockers nearly resemble Thor's hammer, one of the 2 showers is working, you will need key for toilet door, drinks in 1,5 litres bottles are freely available as well as wi-fi, policy is 2 towels per customer, but I was gently given more on request.

All in all, it can be visited for a change.

Has Grimberg a garden??

I'm over here now. Plan to hit Arabella tomorrow and maybe Grimberg, thurs or Fri.

If it gets sunny the girls might be out in the garden.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2183656]Has Grimberg a garden??
[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly it has a deck onto a garden. I've never been there when the weather is so good that the girls will be outside.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2183656]Has Grimberg a garden??

I'm over here now. Plan to hit Arabella tomorrow and maybe Grimberg, thurs or Fri.

If it gets sunny the girls might be out in the garden.[/QUOTE]Yes. There is an outside area but not exactly a garden.

Weak lineup yesterday, only two proper sexy ones, Anna and Janina, then Anastasia, Katja, Simona, an another small older blonde, and a real dog ugly rough little blonde who didn't appear to session all day. The looks of most of the girls brought me back to my partytreff days. A real disappointment looks wise and I'm not fussy, still great service.

15 euro happy hour entry from 10 to 12, then 30 entry till 8 pm and back to 15 from 8 pm to 12 am.

I arrived at 11.30 am, and had my first session with fat Katja. Her service is too restrictive, so I had stiffness issues and didn't cum.

I took 1/2 a levitra, and then went for a one hour great session with Anastasia. She was delighted when I told we could do an hour. I was impressed with her service before and love the way she kisses. Long 69, fucked miss and doggy, and finally shot a big 3 day load into her mouth. Very satisfying.

Relaxed, ordered food, had a sauna, lay out in the garden for a bit till my food arrived. Pork schnitzel in mushroom sauna, with fries, small salad, plus I ordered a kraut salad. Came to around 9 euro, gave the guy a tenner. Delicious. I can't spend 10 hours in a club without a decent meal somewhere in there.

Then I got talking to newbie Simona, she speaks decent English, and claimed to have lived in England for a couple of years. Says she has only been in Hoormany a month, and doesn't speak much German yet. She's in her 30's and only a 5 in looks. Small slim Blonde but her service was great. Really went out of her way to please. Really deep kissing, 69, several positions, went beyond the 25 minutes, could have been 35 minutes, and I came deep in her pussy. I thought she was going to hit me up for an hour but she seemed happy when I gave her the 30.

Final one was Anna, I did her before and found her service good but she was flat out all day today being one of the only 2 good looking girls there. She must have done 15 sessions before I got to her. I usually avoid really busy girls because they can be worn out in the room, but her service was top notch even if her vagenna smelt washed as washed can be. CIM after a very good wank by her at the end.

Left after 9 pm happy with my day. Total expenditure 185.

Better line up on Friday. Around 10 women.

The Sexy Ones.
Denisa,
Carmen,
Janina,
Lana who is A Tall Romanian beauty who I never seen before,
and A tall slim gypsy girl whose service was very poor.

The Fuglies.
Anastasia,
Simona,
Nicole,
A dark skinned big arse lady in her 30's with a real bad boob job,
and a small real ugly blonde who didn't appear to session.

Weather was lovely, and the garden was a bonus. I lay out on the sunbeds on a couple of a occasions. The girls popped out occasionally and to use the outdoor hut with the curtain.

Janina. Decent session with her, deepish DFK, I lay on my back and let her do all the work, nice CIM. I saw her pick her nose later and eat her snot on a couple of occasions.

Lana. Tall beautiful slim, long brown hair, models face, around 30. Amazing deep kissing on the couch. Nice 69 and she got wet, decent blow. Gave her a good missionary pump and was about to cum in her pussy but somehow my dick slipped out of her pussy and I came all over the inside of her thigh. LOL.

Long break and then Carmen, her arsehole was off the menu, but she let me lick and finger it near the end. Still a decent session and a nice wank by her and then an even better CIM. Then I had fun tickling her for a couple of minutes, she went running around the room to get away from, and she got really giggly. I enjoyed that. Saw Carmen picking her nose and eating her snot too.

Ordered in dinner, chicken pasta in mushrooms and side salad, 9 euro, very tasty.

Took a 1/2 levitra, waited a while and decided to try the tall young thin gypsy, with her heavy gold jewelry and long dark hair. Bad sign straight away, she wanted to go to the room immediately with no couch action. I should have bailed, but little head took over the decisions. All very mediocre in the room, still I gave her a bit of a pump then went soft with her shitty attitude. My worst session in all of my visits to Arabella. Maybe I should have complained.

Took a break and wanted a decent final session and a 4th cum. Was ready to go for Denisa, I like her look and find her service good. Plus I had a bit of fun flirting with her and feeling her up a couple of times along the day. Just as I was ready to sit beside her, a really old guy beat me to it.

Decided to try newbie Nicole, small 40 yearold blonde, nice tits. Face not great, but great attitude and a bit of English. A good 10 minutes of couch action, fingered her wet vagina, and she rubbed my cock really nicely, plus proper deep kissing. Fantastic in the room, pure GFE, really unrestrictive. I told her after 15 minutes I wanted to extend to the hour. She was delighted, so managed to last around 50 minutes before unloading my 4th cum into her mouth. One of my best sessions anywhere.

Left around 9 pm, totally wrecked. Original plan was to hit p3 swingers for the Friday evening party but I was just too shattered, and by 10 pm I was took up in bed in the airbnb all delighted with how well my day had gone.

Total expenditure
Entry 15
Dinner 10
4 x 25 min sessions 120
1 x 60 min session 70

Total 215 yoyos.

Problem with the water or something.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.com/[/URL]

All girls now in F39.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2181067]Went there Friday afternoon around 2 pm so no happy hours, paid 30 entry fee. 25 min-30.

14 girls in the club, pics are still in the showcase. Limited food as usual, fruits and snacks, selfservice drink machine.

In my opinion the only girls who worth a room was: Emma, Maya, Alexia, Dana and maybe one more girl. Erika was not there.

First room with Maya Ro, 27 yo. She speak only few words of English, but no problem, she immediately start with DFK on sofa and grab my cock. Few minutes later we went in the room where she start with a great BBBJ, DT attempt and ball licking. Condom on (my choice, I don't know if the old service is available with her) and good fuck in different position with a lot of DFK.

Second room with Emma Ro, 20 yo. She is very cute and fresh for a RTC, DFK and HJ on the couch. In the room good BBBJ and excellent sex, full old service available, but she not do CIM.

Third room: Dana Ro, 26 yo. Blond girls with pornstar face and a bit chubby, some FK on the couch. In the room she provide a good BBBJ with DT attempt and ball licking, sex was mechanic and little participant, full old service available for 10 extra, she refused CIM.[/QUOTE]Very nice. Luderland definitely on the list for next trip.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2193119]Problem with the water or something.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.com/[/URL]

All girls now in F39.[/QUOTE]I hope it's temporary problem and does not turn out to be long term. I booked a hotel nearby as I was planning to stop by there and Grimberg a few times. Still there's Luderland to start and maybe I'll get to Romantika at last.

Looking to hit any and every RTC and AO club in NRW. The ones I know about: Laluna, Villa Venus, Freude, Arabella (assuming it reopens), Grimberg, Romantika, Villa Verena, M-Exclusiv.

Anyone know of any others? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2193661]Looking to hit any and every RTC and AO club in NRW. The ones I know about: Laluna, Villa Venus, Freude, Arabella (assuming it reopens), Grimberg, Romantika, Villa Verena, M-Exclusiv.

Anyone know of any others? Thanks![/QUOTE]From my notes. Grimberg and Dietzenbach are further away. La Luna is arguably not an RTC, but they do have AO and are in the area.

Grimberg Sauna.
Grimbergstrae 12,45889 Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

Sauna Club Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK 40 Saunaclub Dietzenbach.
Voltastrae 4, 63128 Dietzenbach, Germany.

FKK Villa Venus.
Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg-Neumhl, Germany.

FKK Luderland.
Porschestrae 9, 51381 Leverkusen, Germany.

Club LaLuna.
Kautzstrae 9, 47441 Moers, Germany.

FKK Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Freude-39.
Freudenbergstrae 39,44809 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Verena.
Kressenweg 6, 44379 Dortmund, Germany.

Villa Romantika
Blitzkuhlenstraße 109, 45659 Recklinghausen

M-Exclusiv
Weselerstraße 104, 48249 Dülmen-Buldern

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2193708]From my notes. Grimberg and Dietzenbach are further away. La Luna is arguably not an RTC, but they do have AO and are in the area.
[/QUOTE]Forgot about Luderland.

I guess I should say that RTC is not the important acronym. AO is the important acronym. If anyone knows of other locations where it is readily available, I'd appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2193119]Problem with the water or something.

[URL]http://www.fkk-arabella.com/[/URL]

All girls now in F39.[/QUOTE]According to their homepage, it doesn't mention any closure anymore.

Made a stop at Grimberg this morning. Arrived at 1030. GPS put me at the front door without any problems. It was MUCH easier to see the place in daylight. The parking lot was fairly full. Paid my reduced entry of 15 at the bar. Maybe 10 cards were up on the bar, only half with pictures. One picture had a name (I forget what it was) and "anal" on it. Was pretty disappointed with the lineup at first glance. Showered and came back upstairs and was pretty disappointed with the lineup at second glance, too! The layout of this place is strange with the separate rooms. I always feel like I'm missing out on something if I don't move around. Maybe the one hot girl just walked in somewhere else? The first room on the left had three girls talking to each other, just like last time. I was going to settle on one girl in there, but she got snapped up as I came back around. So I sat and had a coffee, then walked around again. Luckily, I noticed a small, cute girl in the back room. I sat down immediately. She introduced herself as Ella. She shook my hand, then stuck her tongue in my mouth and her hand inside my towel. DFK for a bit while she stroked me, then upstairs to the room. Decent BJ, but a bit toothy. Then a couple positions until K9, her fondling my balls and saying "cum, sperma" pushed me over the edge. I showered and left, knowing I probably didn't want to room with any of the rest of the girls.

Decided to try out Romantika last night, since it's on the list and I had never been there before. GPS was my best friend and though it got me there, this place keeps a very low profile. Just a small number on the wall outside. I parked on the street in front, then walked around the side to the gate. There's just a small buzzer with a hand written sign saying "Romantika". Buzzed and got let in. This place is pretty small. Three small rooms with couches and only six cards on the bar, only two with pictures. Paid my reduced entry of 10 since it was after 7 pm. The first floor is set up like a circle with the rooms with couches to the right of the entrance and the showers and sauna to the left. Showered and went back to the main room for a soda and to check out the merchandise. Have to say that the quality of ladies left a lot to be desired. At first, I thought I would leave without a session, but then an ok looking blond sat down on the couch next to me. Average face, ok body, but she smiled nicely at me so I figured what the hell. Sat next to her and she introduced herself at Steffi from Bulgaria. She speaks very little English and I speak very little Bulgarian or German. No problem. She's got super soft lips that are great for kissing, although the FK is on the light side. Up to the room where she gave an excellent BJ with plenty of eye contact. Switched to mish and never went anywhere else. She looked me in the eyes and gave appreciative moans the entire time. Enough for me to completely enjoy myself.

At this rate, if the lineups don't improve, I might just have to make the drive down to Dietz.

Thanks for your reports, keep them coming. I see you did a report on La Luna too, I can't see how they manage with so few girls, especially when kathi is absent. You may find the other RTC clubs better than Romantika as they will have a few more girls but the quality will be no better. Arabella and Luderland have been fair too. Therefore I'm also looking at some hobbyhuren from other sites as I stated in the AO lounge. That's a bit risky though, it's so easy to have an extra sesssion in an RTC if one goes bad, not so easy if your appointment turns into a disaster.

My luck improved drastically yesterday.

No happy hour at Villa Venus according to their site, so I just showed up when my schedule allowed. I've been there a couple times before, so it was easy to find again. Plenty of street parking available, and it was still light out, so no worries about car damage. Rang the bell and was buzzed in. Paid my entry of 30, showered downstairs and came back up to look around. Maybe 10 ladies working, and 4-5 in the doable range. Excellent! The bell rang many times and there were a lot of other mongers around, but grabbing the girl I wanted was never a problem.

I only sat for a couple of minutes before deciding on a very thin girl with long, curly black hair. She was sitting against the far wall away from the entrance. At first, I thought it might be Larissa, but as I got closer I knew it wasn't. Then I thought it might be Anna, but she didn't have all the tattoos. But is WAS Anna, so maybe those tattoos were fake the last time I saw her? Can't say for sure. But I CAN say that she introduced herself by sticking her tongue down my throat and her hand under my towel, so who really cares? Plenty of necking, fondling, and groping on the couch before going to the room. Plenty of BJ, BLS, and sexy smiles as soon as I lay down. Plenty of excellent cowgirl and mish with ball fondling before I couldn't take it any more. A very good session, better than the last time I saw her in December.

Cleaned up and napped on a couch for a little while before choosing Katia. She was sitting on the second couch just inside the front door. She is a VERY pretty girl. Fantastic face, nice body. One or two tattoos. Again, DFK and fondling immediately after introductions. Katia is good looking, and knows it, but in a sexy, accessible way. Upstairs to the room, where we went through a whirlwind of BJ, BLS, CG, Mish, K9. She looked me dead in the eye pretty much the entire time, giving me a sexy smile. K9 was especially enjoyable as she twerked herself back onto me, looking at me in the mirror. Little Trip just couldn't take it. He promptly vomited and went to sleep!

If I had the time (and the youth), there were a couple of other girls I would have tried on for size.

Hypothesis: Does the lack of happy hour pricing imply that they know they have hotter girls available? More research is needed.

Was relatively close, and it's on the list, so I made a quick stop at M-Exclusiv today. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere, behind a gas station. When I pulled up, I thought the place was entirely empty, but there's a fence that blocks your view of the parking lot. When I got behind the fence, I saw a lot of cars. I parked and rang the bell and was let in. You have to pay for your rooms up front along with your 8 Euro entrance. I opted for one room, since I was just trying this place out and the girl who let me in didn't interest me. So, 48 total. The girl at the bar was hot, and I wished she was working. She gave me a yellow wristband and a key. The chubby girl who opened the door for me showed me where the bathroom, locker room, and showers are. It's a small place. You cannot get lost. There was only one working shower and a line for it, so I took my time getting undressed. I sat on a couch in the little garden for a bit waiting for my turn. I was finally able to shower, then walked out to the room with the girls. A whopping THREE girls were available. One was the heavy set girl who let me in. Another had a decent body, but pretty severe butterface. The third was interesting. Cute, fresh, innocent looking. Nice body, nice face. We have a winner! I sat next to her and she introduced herself as Alina from Romania. She's not on their website, and I don't think the other two are on there either. She has long dark hair, VERY perky natural be cups, diamond stud in her lower lip on the right side. We kissed deeply on the couch, then went upstairs to a room. I was going to ask about her commitment to the Catholic faith, but she set her purse way across the room, too far to access in the heat of battle, so I figured I was safe. Her BJ was excellent, although there was a small amount of tooth scraping when she DT me all the way. I'm not complaining. She climbed on board for some vigorous CG. Then I flipped her to mish. She looked me in the eye, smiling, and at least pretending to enjoy herself. I didn't get out of mish because it was too good. Overall, one of the better mongering experiences I've had. Cross M-Exclusiv off the list!

I've been on a bit of a roll, so I figured I'd keep going with the hot hand. Looks like everyone has cancelled their reduced entries for the weekend, so I went back to Villa Venus because they were having a flat 20 Euro entry day and it was closest to me.

Got there a little after 9 PM, rang the bell, got buzzed in, paid my entry, showered, yadda yadda. I will say I used the sauna for a bit downstairs and it was nice and hot.

Back upstairs and I recognized Anna and Katia from the other day. A slightly older, thin woman with black hair caught my eye, but I wanted to sit and see who came and went first. Anna walked past me and smiled. When I got up for some soda, Katia smiled at me also. Both those girls love my Euros! But I kept going back to the older woman. So fuck it, I went over and sat down. She introduced herself as Larissa from Romania. Excellent! I thought it might be her, but I wasn't sure. And she definitely looks older than when I saw her last year. So do I, I'm sure. So do all of us! Anyway, she is very thin, pretty face, long black hair, small natural breasts. Her teeth are a bit crooked, but I'm not complaining. Serious DFK on the couch with her hand stroking me to attention. Then upstairs to a room. More DFK. Excellent BJ, BLS. Hopped on for aggressive CG. Flipped for mish. She held eye contact the entire time, except when she stretched up for DFK. Explosive finish. Outstanding service. I have to admit, I tipped a working girl for the first time since Queen V at Dietz. Partially because the first bills I grabbed were two 20's. But also because she gives damn good service.

After I showered, I went back upstairs, figuring MAYBE I'd have another shot in me. But all the girls were cleaning up, and they gave me a look that said, "Please don't sit down, so we can go home!" So I went back downstairs and got dressed. Had an interesting conversation with two guys from Holland and a German guy as we were all getting ready to leave. Everyone was surprised that the place was closing. The sign out front says they are open until 2 AM Friday and Saturday. Their website says 11 PM. It was 1010 PM as they were pretty much pushing people out the door. The same thing happened when I was here last year. My guess is, they shut down unless there are a lot of guys in the house.

Regardless, I had a great time. Let's hope my luck continues!

Hi to the official new NRW RTC correspondent for ISG, Trip.

Glad you found Larissa. I have made several visits in the last year hoping to find her again but had no luck. From the rear, top class figure in fkk land ( just my view). From the front still nice. Attentive, honest girl who somehow always gets me to finish, however tired I am. The most reliable girl I know.

Just my opinion. Other opinions are available.

You know how when you're on a hot streak, you're supposed to quit while you're ahead? Why doesn't anyone ever do that? I suppose if they did, casinos would be out of business. Anyway, I rolled the dice again today and came up craps.

I figured I would try out Villa Verena since it's on the list, I've never been there before, and it's closer than Luderland. So off to Dortmund I went. Found it easily with GPS. There's a tiny parking lot in front. There were three cars there already. I probably could have squeezed into the spot next to a car that was parked crookedly, but I figured I'd just take a spot on the street. Plenty were available. There are something like three doors in front, none of which are the way you get into this place. The gate and doorbell are around the right side of the building. I walked past several partially open windows and could hear Romanian music blasting. I buzzed and was let in by an average looking girl. But behind the counter was a stone cold fox. Thin, pretty face, glasses. I would have taken her to a room immediately. Unfortunately, she took my money (20 Euro), and only gave me a key instead of a blowjob and a fuck.

I had seen the lockers and showers inside the door, so I didn't have to be a newbie and ask. Got ready quickly and went out to the main room. There's really only one long room with several couches. There's another room to the right of the bar, but no one was ever in there. There's also another room sort of connected to the main room. Only guys ever sat in there.

There were maybe 6 guys lounging around. I saw maybe 8 girls working. Cards were up at the bar, but half didn't have pictures. One card was of an older woman that said she is Spanish and anal is 20 Euro extra. Room prices are displayed in a few different places. 30 for 20 minutes, 50 for 30 minutes, 70 for 60 minutes (I think). There were mostly average looking girls working. None that really caught my attention at first. Then I saw a tall, VERY thin girl. Like bird bones. Nice ass, decent face, small, perky breasts. She kept disappearing and reappearing for very short periods of time. I never did see her sit down, and wasn't able to get her to a room.

Eventually, one girl caught my eye, mostly because she kind of looks like a girl I used to work with a while ago. I figured it would make a decent fantasy. She's tall (ish), black hair, decent face, decent body, small, real breasts. When I sat next to her, she smiled, and Holy Black Teeth, Batman! But I figured I didn't have to kiss her and she still might be able to make the fantasy work. Her name is Jalena from Romania. Off to a room, and man this place is huge! You go through a corridor near the bar and there are what seems like dozens of rooms hidden back there. Anyway, the room was bleh. She gave a lackluster BJ. Jumped on for CG, flipped for mish. I liked all the mirrors in the room, so I could watch the action from lots of different angles, but she was pretty much a dead fish. I was glad to be done.

After a shower, I went back to the main room to see if any other girls showed up. Two of the girls danced in the middle of the room with a couple of guys.

There was a very pretty bleached blond that I figured would do. I waited a bit to see if the really thin girl would come back. She walked into the room and was immediately grabbed by a guy before she sat down or even came near me. So I picked the blond. She introduced herself as Patrizia from Romania. Very nice body, decent face. Kissed nicely on the couch. Great, off to a room. This time we went through a different door behind the main room. Another warren of rooms back there! This place is much bigger than it seems! Nice BJ and BLS. I pushed her onto her back and got ready to make the plunge. When suddenly, she pulled out some sort of latex device. WTF? I haven't seen one of those in ages! Little Trip squealed in terror! I asked about Catholicism, but she said no. Man, I guess I've been so spoiled by the RTC ladies that I forgot to ask on the couch! On with the straight-jacket. Little Trip hated it. I hated it. She did her best, but it just wasn't going to happen, especially after a long day and this being my second room in about an hour. Little Trip was so traumatized, it took her a while to wake him back up with a BJ / HJ combo.

Afterward, I took another shower, got dressed, and left. The girl behind the bar showed me out. Man, I wish she was working!

So the best thing I can say about Villa Verena is that I can now cross it off my list.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2197549]Then I saw a tall, VERY thin girl. Like bird bones. Nice ass, decent face, small, perky breasts. She kept disappearing and reappearing for very short periods of time. I never did see her sit down, and wasn't able to get her to a room.

I waited a bit to see if the really thin girl would come back. She walked into the room and was immediately grabbed by a guy before she sat down or even came near me.[/QUOTE]Her name is Bella. She has a smoking hot body (I prefer tall & thin) & can be extremely moody. Can be very difficult & childish, but once you slide in her & splash around in her tight buttery * all the trouble & patience is totally worth it.

She also always tries to use a raincoat, but I always stand my ground & she gives in every time. Arabella, F39 for 3-4 months & recently moved to Verena.

Always ask about the Catholic stuff before you commit to a room.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2197549] she is Spanish and anal is 20 Euro extra.[/QUOTE]This is bad, RTC clubs have always been all inclusive without extra.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2197549]Room prices are displayed in a few different places. 30 for 20 minutes, 50 for 30 minutes, 70 for 60 minutes.[/QUOTE]Now, with 30€ only 20 min?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2197664]This is bad, RTC clubs have always been all inclusive without extra.

Now, with 30 only 20 min?[/QUOTE]In most of the RTCs the current price setting is:

25 min for 30 E.

40 min for 50 E.

60 min for 70 E.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2197570]Her name is Bella. She has a smoking hot body (I prefer tall & thin) & can be extremely moody. Can be very difficult & childish, but once you slide in her & splash around in her tight buttery * all the trouble & patience is totally worth it.

She also always tries to use a raincoat, but I always stand my ground & she gives in every time. Arabella, F39 for 3-4 months & recently moved to Verena.

Always ask about the Catholic stuff before you commit to a room.[/QUOTE]I would definitely like to take Bella to a room. Too bad she just wasn't available while I was there.

I know better than to NOT ask on the couch. For some reason, I stopped asking, and the girls never asked either up until then, so I guess I started taking it for granted. Never again!

Free Dude and Christian G.

Apologies, I probably got the times wrong.

According to my records, Luderland was the last RTC I had never been to. Cross it off the list!

Got there easily via GPS. Slight hesitation as the gates say Globe in giant letters. There were 5-6 cars parked, but plenty of room for mine. Paid my 20 entry, was handed towels by a very average looking girl. Nine cards on the bar, all with pictures, but I can never map names to faces to pictures at these places unless I've been a few times. Saw the sign for Duchen, so I just walked around the bar and down the hallway to the lockers. Got ready and went back to the main room. The place is pretty small. Three small sitting areas connected to each other, and it can be difficult to see from one to another. I kept getting up and looking around to check out the merchandise. Eventually, I saw three possibilities, but the first available was Lori. She's average height, nice body, ok face. Black hair tied up in a bun. A few tattoos, but the line of butterflies down her back was fake. I sat next to her and we chatted for a few minutes. She gave nice kisses, but before we got too far, I asked about her dedication to Catholicism. Lesson learned! She said she was very Catholic, so off to the room where she gave very good service. Enthusiastic BJ. Enthusiastic FS. Enthusiastic finish (on my part).

There were two other girls who looked good to me. One reminded me a bit of Alicia Silverstone. If she hadn't already been sitting with a guy when I got out of the shower, I would have picked her. Another girl was monopolized the whole time by an old guy who sat next to her, but I don't know if he ever took her to a room.

Overall, Luderland was a decent place. Three out of nine girls in the do-able range (according to Little Trip).

Seems like the locals are not happy outsiders are banging their favorite girls AO. 2 of the hottest chicks told me only do it with. Alexandra & Rebecca. I've been creaming in Alexandra for years & now only with. She was busy non stop & there's no reason for it unless she's still getting creamed.

Rebecca was cream pie city when I banged her beg of May at f39. Now she's covered including BJ. Something was going on between the locals & the 2 chicks I wanted. Whatever!

My first reaction was to take out every local who was smirking at me but after I calmed down, I just left. This would never happen if Barbara was in charge.

Anyway, there's plenty of other options. I had a great time at luderland & Venus.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2201309]Seems like the locals are not happy outsiders are banging their favorite girls AO. 2 of the hottest chicks told me only do it with. Alexandra & Rebecca. I've been creaming in Alexandra for years & now only with. She was busy non stop & there's no reason for it unless she's still getting creamed.[/QUOTE]This is not good news, Arabella was going to be my main stopping point but if the girls will only do covered then I'm off elsewhere. Are any other RTC's like this?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2201452]This is not good news, Arabella was going to be my main stopping point but if the girls will only do covered then I'm off elsewhere. Are any other RTC's like this?[/QUOTE]Not all the girls. Just the 2 I was interested in. Only Alexandra & Rebecca.

Having tired of the regular FKKs, and based on recent trip reports and conversations with recent visitors, went to Venus. Arrived there about 2:45 PM Monday. No pictures on desk. Counted about 10 women: half varying degrees of unattractive wide load asses, three OK faces but saggy to mommy tits, and one big-nosed, very thin and petite, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910][CodeWord910][/url] special. Spent two hours trying to convince myself to fuck one of them but to no avail, so 30 Euro's wasted. Unless you can fuck old, fat, unattractive, saggy tits women, or have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910][CodeWord910][/url] tendencies, don't waste you money here.

Always the same story, stick on the big clubs even there the LU are so strongly going down due to the negative impact of the new law of July 2017.

After the wasted time and money at Venus, went to my hotel until I left for Freude in time for their 15 Euro happy hour starting at 8 PM, figuring at most I would waste another 15 Euros. I was correct: another 15 Euros wasted. 14 cards on the desk, only half with photos. The usual fat ass, big belly, saggy tits, unattractive face women. Two were decent: a blonde with a good body but a face I didn't like, and a brunette with an OK face but way too skinny for me. Hung around for a few hours but couldn't get motivated to do any of them, so left.

The days of finding women like Marianne and Jasmin (both formerly at Venus) at AO clubs seem to be over. There is a reason the women at AO clubs work there: nobody would pay to fuck them anywhere else.

Same like at Dietzenbach, why do you want pretty girls take health risks for only 30? Pretty girls can make good business with safe sex, and sometimes your manners and skill make one becoming really passionate for fluent sex.

AO clubs just worth to have AO sex, not to find beauties.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2202760]Same like at Dietzenbach, why do you want pretty girls take health risks for only 30? Pretty girls can make good business with safe sex, and sometimes your manners and skill make one becoming really passionate for fluent sex.

AO clubs just worth to have AO sex, not to find beauties.[/QUOTE]I understand the point you are trying to make. I would add that if one sees the girls as people and not objects of "beauty" there are some lovely girls working in these clubs. I like some of these girls very much. I would rather go to a room and talk to them than go with some of the arrogant beauties at Sharks.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2202301]Snip. The days of finding women like Marianne and Jasmin (both formerly at Venus) at AO clubs seem to be over. There is a reason the women at AO clubs work there: nobody would pay to fuck them anywhere else.[/QUOTE]A visit to Mondial on Tuesday refreshed my memory. Based on some of the women who were there, I was too harsh on the AO women; most of them could work at Turkish clientele clubs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2202760]Same like at Dietzenbach, why do you want pretty girls take health risks for only 30? Pretty girls can make good business with safe sex, and sometimes your manners and skill make one becoming really passionate for fluent sex.

AO clubs just worth to have AO sex, not to find beauties.[/QUOTE]Your schtick would probably play much better on are / dating or some site like that.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2201575]Not all the girls. Just the 2 I was interested in. Only Alexandra & Rebecca.[/QUOTE]I hope it's only a temporary thing because I plan to visit in September.

I remember about a long while back, Alexandra and Arianna were both covered and then Arianna wasn't the next week. Alexandra followed. Then a few months ago, Arianna was covered but Alexandra wasn't, so most of the business was with her! Then they both disappeared. I'm glad Alexandra's back, but if she's covered, I'll probably skip her and go with Carmen. I'll ask her first, of course!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2202301]After the wasted time and money at Venus, went to my hotel until I left for Freude in time for their 15 Euro happy hour starting at 8 PM, figuring at most I would waste another 15 Euros. I was correct: another 15 Euros wasted. 14 cards on the desk, only half with photos. The usual fat ass, big belly, saggy tits, unattractive face women. Two were decent: a blonde with a good body but a face I didn't like, and a brunette with an OK face but way too skinny for me. Hung around for a few hours but couldn't get motivated to do any of them, so left.

The days of finding women like Marianne and Jasmin (both formerly at Venus) at AO clubs seem to be over. There is a reason the women at AO clubs work there: nobody would pay to fuck them anywhere else.[/QUOTE]The really beautiful and clever girls are not in a club, they have a rich sugar daddy taking care of them, second level they do real escort in 4 or 5 stars hotel like many german girls do, third at the same level they work in apartment for 50 to 100 euro for 30 minutes depends on the country and cities, 4 they are in FKK clubs getting fucked 10 to 20 or more times every day, and so on going to brothel in the RLD and may be finishing on the road which is probably the lowest level.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2202801]I understand the point you are trying to make. I would add that if one sees the girls as people and not objects of "beauty" there are some lovely girls working in these clubs. I like some of these girls very much. I would rather go to a room and talk to them than go with some of the arrogant beauties at Sharks.[/QUOTE]+1 Totally Agree.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2203286]I hope it's only a temporary thing because I plan to visit in September.

I remember about a long while back, Alexandra and Arianna were both covered and then Arianna wasn't the next week. Alexandra followed. Then a few months ago, Arianna was covered but Alexandra wasn't, so most of the business was with her! Then they both disappeared. I'm glad Alexandra's back, but if she's covered, I'll probably skip her and go with Carmen. I'll ask her first, of course![/QUOTE]Seems like Rebecca returned to f39.

I remember Alexandra was covered only when she fret started. Not busy at all. When she returned from vacation was cream pie & busy non stop. Still is constantly busy!

Ariana (whatever the spelling) was cream pie till July 1st 2017. Very busy before July, very lonely after July. Zero clients so she moved on.

I have dared to visit Freude 39 on hot evening Wednesday Aug 1st. The E15 entrance fee was very moderate. But they only service some cake, bifi and eggs. So you can stuff yourself, but it cannot be called a decent meal. But what else would one expect for 15 e?

The bad news: LU was very poor. The good news: Jessi 29, blond, Bulgaria was a good choice for me. Nice HJ, big tits (the one is Dcup natural, the other is DD-cup).

The other bad news: the much hyped big-titted Eva turned out to be a bummer her DDcup boobies sagged almost to her knees. Ugly.

No recommendation here. Or if you like boobs, go to Jessi- but here boobs are bit soft.

Paid 30 e fee. Had two ok rooms with 2 germans: Manuela and Linda. Otherwise a boring line-up. The typical romanian, bulgarian mix. No wow. Also the germans were not really wow.

Finished in Dortmund at the RLD, which at least has a few not shabby-looking D/DDcup-ladies.

Yeah I know. I am boob-guy or love the germans.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2202801]I understand the point you are trying to make. I would add that if one sees the girls as people and not objects of "beauty" there are some lovely girls working in these clubs. I like some of these girls very much. I would rather go to a room and talk to them than go with some of the arrogant beauties at Sharks.[/QUOTE]I never said Dietz girls are not friendly, I don't know them.

I stopped by around on a Monday around 20:15 to check it out. There were only three girls there and fortunately one was the famous Kathi as the other two were not that nice. Kathi is still amazing, she is so sweet and the time she has been working there has not changed her. She is the only reason to visit.

I made two stops here over my trip. Nothing has really changed although you don't see anyone getting a blow job in public anymore. On a Tuesday 31/7 there was a fair lineup but between my sessions, some of the girls dissappeared for a couple of hours, I later discovered that they had left the club for a break of some sort even though there were plenty of customers.

A week later I visited on a Wednesday. Sadly the lineup was a lot poorer so I only did one session which was a repeat of the previous week.

The lineup at Grimberg was not too bad, I did not stay long as I had a long drive ahead so only did the one session, I did not think that the lineup was quite as good as Arabella but there was a few I would have done.

I've not much to add here, Tuesday was a good day to visit, a nice selection of girls and a pretty good time.

One thing that I should mention, looks wise only the prettiest girls in an RTC could work at an FKK but generally service was better than at the FKK's.

Impressions of my recent trip.

_Luder_.

Lineup level 7/10.

This place still has the "Globe" name and branding all over it.

Easily the best lineup of the rtc clubs that I've been to. Most were fuckable.

Went with blonde Sara Ro. 10 years ago would be one of the prettier girls at sharks.

Very good action on the couch (DFK, nipple licking, etc) portends to a solid session in the room w / o complaints.

Lacking passion, but solid session nonetheless.

_VV_.

Lineup level 6/10.

The usual lineup. The thing about this place is the disciplined approach to sex that I love. It begs the question "What if we could have white girl looks with asian girl submissiveness. ".

Took the girl that was by the door. The most diligent with the amount of work she was doing and probably not the prettiest, was attractive in those regards. Submissive and enjoyable fuck. Very satisfying.

Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback!

[QUOTE=OldFritz;2214800]Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback![/QUOTE]Pretty much yes. But almost nothing in public now.

Lineup wise of course it varies

[QUOTE=Optimist;2215005]Pretty much yes. But almost nothing in public now.

Lineup wise of course it varies[/QUOTE]Yeah, it happens very rarely these days. And always with legal activities.

[QUOTE=OldFritz;2214800]Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback![/QUOTE]I made a few visits when on holiday two weeks ago, service is the same as ever in the rooms, I did not see any public action whilst I was there.

Can't seem to find it anywhere. Has it been changed to a. Sex?

Want to find out if there is happy hour reduction for entry?

[QUOTE=Wanking;2221156]Can't seem to find it anywhere. Has it been changed to a. Sex?

Want to find out if there is happy hour reduction for entry?[/QUOTE]Yes it has.

That goes for all RTC clubs.

[URL]http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/[/URL]

A few days ago there was a razzia at Arabella. The authorities were I understand looking for a particular manager for a couple of girls, presumably working on a tip off. Unusually the clients and workers were kept on the premises until past closing time. I always try to avoid going to clubs in the few hours before a flight for this very reason.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2225232]A few days ago there was a razzia at Arabella.[/QUOTE]Probably related to a knifing just outside the club, last Friday evening:

[URL]https://www.waz.de/staedte/bochum/messerstecherei-vor-bordell-ein-schwerstverletzter-id215334965.html[/URL]
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Thanks Varenne. Yes, that squares with what I was told.

I was just there yesterday (Monday)!

None of the girls told me anything!

I met Alexandra at 11:00 am, only minutes before she left for the day.

Line up was 9 girls-.

Alexandra (left), Janina, Carmen, Anna, Sabrina, Suzanna, and 3 other girls I didn't care about because they were old looking.

No happy hour, 30€ Entry.

Happy to say Alexandra is back to excellent service!

I left with a kiss and a smile!

About 10 girls today.

Romantika is closed!

I went there at 10:05 am and no one was there!

No cars, the mail hasn't been collected in the front, and the yard smelled like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url].

I drove by at 11:10 am, and still no one there!

I went there at 10:05 am and no one was there!

No cars, the mail hasn't been collected in the front, and the yard smelled like.

I drove by at 11:10 am, and still no one there!

May be summer holidays.

I know, it may sound harsh, but I take it as good news for every club that closes. There were far too many of them!! I am big fan of choice, and I hate paying 30 e entrance to just get to see 10-15 low performers, and maybe one stunner, that only gets out of the room to take a leak or to get some food.

Think about it. Still easily 10 clubs (Arabella, Salome, Luderlounge, Neby, Grimberg, Freude 39, etc etc,) all within a 20 mile radius. NRW only needs 5-7 big, awesome clubs.

[QUOTE=DMD2017;2226787]Romantika is closed! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2227540]I know, it may sound harsh, but I take it as good news for every club that closes. There were far too many of them!! I am big fan of choice, and I hate paying 30 e entrance to just get to see 10-15 low performers, and maybe one stunner, that only gets out of the room to take a leak or to get some food.

Think about it. Still easily 10 clubs (Arabella, Salome, Luderlounge, Neby, Grimberg, Freude 39, etc etc,) all within a 20 mile radius. NRW only needs 5-7 big, awesome clubs.[/QUOTE]Yes, but Arabella, Grimberg, and Fruede 39 (with some exceptions) offer RTC standard services, as did Romantika. But Salome, Luderlounge, and Neby (mostly) do not. Correct?

Also, in general, fewer choices for consumers creates upward pressure on prices.

I had a really good time in Salome. Food was decent. About 35 girls in the club. My estimate. Theke was imo exaggerating with 45. But nevertheless I had 2 great rooms:

A) German Celine. She is half-german, half-arabic. 23 yrs old, very good looking, very sensitive. But doesn't do BBBJ nor DFK. Still she has my recommendation.

B) Anastesia or Antonian. She is a real boob-beauty with very good looking the. Cups. I went only in the room with her because of that. It was amazing.

Kuni. Why do you want to deprive the visitors to these small clubs of their enjoyment?. You say NRW needs only 5 to 7 awesome big clubs. The locals who go to their neighbourhood club would vehemently disagree with you. Just because you don't like the clubs covered by this thread doesn't mean they need to close. But I can see they are not to everybody's taste: not exactly upmarket

BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)

It may just be me, but I am just very much a big fan of wide selection. If I go in a club, I maybe like to have 3-4 rooms. 1-2 with natural boob girls, 1 with a german lady that can cater my verbal tick, and then maybe 1 high-performer that can finish me off. And maybe even the option of a repeat.

I would seriously consider having one club, where I go more often, than roving between clubs, to hunt down the ladies I like.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2227553]Kuni. Why do you want to deprive the visitors to these small clubs of their enjoyment?. You say NRW needs only 5 to 7 awesome big clubs. The locals who go to their neighbourhood club would vehemently disagree with you. Just because you don't like the clubs covered by this thread doesn't mean they need to close. But I can see they are not to everybody's taste: not exactly upmarket

BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)[/QUOTE]

Kuni. Your strategy makes excellent sense. Finding a club that suits and staying there often yields good results.

Which Acapulco? I was just looking at both: Velbert and gold and coulndt find anything. Acapulco Velbert had some good reviews in a local board (freiercafe) - but not so good ones here at ISG. So this is a bit irritating.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2227553]...
BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2227944]Which Acapulco? I was just looking at both: Velbert and gold and coulndt find anything. Acapulco Velbert had some good reviews in a local board (freiercafe) - but not so good ones here at ISG. So this is a bit irritating.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I was just being ironic. I would never post like that as everybody has different tastes. In fact, I quite like Acapulco Gold. Acapulco not my taste service wise. Again sorry to send you on wild goose chase.

The average looks are Aca Velbert are better and the average service is worse than in Aca Gold. But there are far more girls in Velbert so you still have a chance to find a girl you'll like. The ambiance in Aca Gold is (a little) more relaxed than in the big Acapulco Velbert but it's still depressing if you stay a long time and since it's smaller, you tend to have the feeling that every girl looks at you wondering why you don't fuck if you stay longer waiting for the good one, and some of them can be a little pushy. The no approach rule is not so strict than in Velbert.

May I ask which are girls' prices in this FKK? The usual € 50 for half an hour, and €25 for extra like CIM?

And about the food: I read something about that, but I did non understand exactly. What is there to eat? And there is always something available?

Thank you so much in advance!

[QUOTE=UniversoFkk;2228040]May I ask which are girls' prices in this FKK? The usual 50 for half an hour, and 25 for extra like CIM?

And about the food: I read something about that, but I did non understand exactly. What is there to eat? And there is always something available?

Thank you so much in advance![/QUOTE]It's basically the same as the rest of the RTC "chain", €30 for entrance and the same per session if I remember correctly but def not €50. €30 is also full service, if the girl is willing then you can have anal and pay no extra, the same with CIM. At that price there's no food available other than a little fruit and biscuits. Read a little more here as there's lots more to learn.

I have been to a number of the FKK's in the Frankfurt area but would like to check out the NRW clubs. I will probably have 3 days in early November to hit NRW and am wondering where is the best area / hotel to stay in. I will rent a car to get around but want to hit the best of the AO clubs in the area.

Where is a good place to stay to make it easy to hit the best clubs?

Which would be the must see clubs? I was thinking of staying in Bochum as Arabella and F39 are right there and it seems like it is pretty central to some other clubs as well.

Thoughts?

CpHowdy. Bochum is good centre. Be aware though that there are no stylish clubs there, only tatty redcarpet clubs, with dingy decoration and no food. Traffic in the conurbation is appalling during rush hours so you need to time your visits round this.

You mention AO. Remember that AO is illegal for you as a customer and if you ask the Theke about it or try to do it in public you will get thrown out.

Also, remember these clubs are very local customer orientated. A few words of German will help get better treatment.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2228563]I have been to a number of the FKK's in the Frankfurt area but would like to check out the NRW clubs. I will probably have 3 days in early November to hit NRW and am wondering where is the best area / hotel to stay in. I will rent a car to get around but want to hit the best of the AO clubs in the area.

Where is a good place to stay to make it easy to hit the best clubs?

Which would be the must see clubs? I was thinking of staying in Bochum as Arabella and F39 are right there and it seems like it is pretty central to some other clubs as well.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]If you want to visit RTC clubs stay in Bochum or Gelsenkirchen, many hotels and airbnb apartment around.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2228563]I have been to a number of the FKK's in the Frankfurt area but would like to check out the NRW clubs. I will probably have 3 days in early November to hit NRW and am wondering where is the best area / hotel to stay in. I will rent a car to get around but want to hit the best of the AO clubs in the area.

Where is a good place to stay to make it easy to hit the best clubs?

Which would be the must see clubs? I was thinking of staying in Bochum as Arabella and F39 are right there and it seems like it is pretty central to some other clubs as well.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I you have more than 1 neuron just forget AO, too risky for your health. Samya is the FKK to go.

I'm still nostalgic of lovely old times, public action, the picture (even if awful) on the desk, the (few) sandwich, and the system of pay 60 for entrance having 1 shot included.

Nowadays crisis hits and beg for a sandwich and not so many stunning ladies.

Anyway the fun in the room is still the same as well as the number of "Madchen".

I was with companions and this report is a summary of all our experience.

Present:

1. Monica (Bulgarian) always kind and pretty.

2. Kati could give better performance; should to forget make completion with colleagues.

3. Alisia if she doesn't change her mind is a great deep-throater.

4. Evelin new and welcome.

5. Larissa slim & long dark hair; nice, kind and lovely.

6. Micaela (BB) always a bet to play her in trio.

7. Samira (Bulgarian) nice, kind.

8. Jasmine the surprice; the realized to be not choosy as she sounded.

9. small golden tooth Bulgarian not played.

10. Melly (Bulgarian MILF) not played.

11. Ina (baby done) for sure better when not Mama.

12. Erika great confirmation.

Erika definitely the most wanted; a guy has been waiting for her before and after her meal and digestion.

We all later understood way; her pretty face is not super smooth but she has a great attitude supported by slim and nervous body!

Definitely customer care oriented!

I had a great time in trio with Jasmine which played twerking; just actress for the short time heaven they give you!

Evelin (Evelyn?) a little overshaped especially her belly but not fat; she is a beginner needing to improve but she doesn't miss goodwill at all: very pretty and available with me!!

Micaela BB not found so disposed for playing with the passion she could show but always a good shot!

Finally, hope to be back soon at VV!!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2228710]CpHowdy. Bochum is good centre. Be aware though that there are no stylish clubs there, only tatty redcarpet clubs, with dingy decoration and no food. Traffic in the conurbation is appalling during rush hours so you need to time your visits round this.

You mention AO. Remember that AO is illegal for you as a customer and if you ask the Theke about it or try to do it in public you will get thrown out.

Also, remember these clubs are very local customer orientated. A few words of German will help get better treatment.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks!

If you don't need AO, and you go on a Friday or sat eve, then I think Salome is currently a good choice. Quite a few upscale girls. The price of 40 e / 30 min is very reasonable. And you can always negotiate to pay 20 more for whatever you might like.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2228959]Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc) and it was 50 for 30 minutes. Now it's 40 for 30 ?

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2228959]Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks![/QUOTE]If you don{t speak German better to stay on the safe side by visiting the big clubs, never forget even it is legal in Germany, most of the places are owned by mafia guys, or motorcycles gangs, the goal is to suck as much cash from you. The girls are just prostitutes also willing to suck as much cash as possible from you, they don t care about you, even they will not remember you, one after one. Most of the girls are not able to do more in their life than to open their legs and mouth to any guys willing to pay, usually after several years in the job they are mentally affected.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2228959]Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks![/QUOTE]If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harm

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2229741]I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc)[/QUOTE]I wouldn't speak about "sister club", maybe rather a more distant relative, just related on ownership. Back in late 2013, Freude 39 site was closed, whatever the reason. For some time Freude 39 was kind of hosted at Salome location (renamed Freude 39 Herne) Both teams were working in the same club, but basically in shifts. Daytime the F39 girls where there, to meet their usual german clientele, at a price 50€ for 30 minutes. The Salome girls, appealing to the turkish clientele, started to appear later on. I remember that at 20:00 there was a drop in admission fee. At the same time started an option for a shortened girl service at a reduced price. And you bet that exactly at 20:00 the F39 girls used to flee en bloc, deliberately giving ground to Salome girls and the turkish guests. Eventually even Freude 39 Herne closed altogether, and the F39 girls either dispersed or retired. Later on, the site in Herne reopened as Salome again, and the site in Bochum reopened with a new concept (RTC club, back to the roots).

Yes. But the 40 e don't buy you any sort of extras (like DFK or BBBJ), at least not with the top WGs. I go tonite again, because it is just nicely en route to Duisburg / GT / Oceans / Cologne etc. I can report soon.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2229741]I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc) and it was 50 for 30 minutes. Now it's 40 for 30 ?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Optimist;2229899]If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harm[/QUOTE]I will never understand why serious and senior mongers will not definitively stop the new guys to try AO, it is just crazy and so dangerous for the health, AO is only for stable relation not with prostitutes getting fucked 20 times a day by guys coming from everywhere.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2229899]If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harm[/QUOTE]Thanks, I was planning Freude as my first stop but I will hit as many as I can. Thanks for the warning on VV as it is on my list but I will keep to day trips then.

Given my positive experience, one week before, I tried again. But I was hugely frustrated. LU was imo quite poor. There was an interesting delegation from Ukraine (4 ladies). I tried 2 of them. But it didn't work for me. Their german was not good, and they appeared both cold. None of my previous WG was there. My BL: Lots of nomads, it is very hit or miss. The standard crew is too boring for me.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2230023]Yes. But the 40 e don't buy you any sort of extras (like DFK or BBBJ), at least not with the top WGs. I go tonite again, because it is just nicely en route to Duisburg / GT / Oceans / Cologne etc. I can report soon.

.[/QUOTE]

This is my first report using Google voice typing.

I was in Arabella about 3 weeks ago on the first day of my trip. I had a touch of gout which put a downer on the whole trip, still at least my dick was working well.

Only 8 girls present that day. First up for me was Sabrina, I found her service to be too rushed. She made me come within 15 minutes. We agreed on cum in the mouth but she didn't in the end, and I ended up cuming on my belly.

Next up was Cami, a new Young slim blonde, lovely face and body apart from a bit of acne on her back. Service was amateur and very enjoyable. She got really giggly when I licked her brown hole. She had strong bad breath though, a combination of smoking, bad teeth and Cocks I suspect. Still I've been thinking about her a lot since and I would love a repeat in the future.

Next was old Bulgarian curly-haired brunette Jessie, although I think she was called something else before. I guess she is mid forties but I do love her big saggy tits. Her service was very solid and I had a lovely intimate session with memorable missionary position and deep french kissing, followed by a lovely deep cum in the mouth. I'm sure we went over the 25 minute Mark but still she only charged me 30.

My final session and fourth cum of the day was with lesbian looking Anastasia. She is a lovely submissive girl who kisses really deeply, and her service is very GFE. I had been thinking about taking her for one hour but in the end she made me come in her mouth within the 25 minutes, so I was glad to save the 40 yo-yos..

Of course if you say to a girl that you are going to take her for the hour when starting the session you can't go back on it. This time I didn't mention anything about the length of the session to Anastasia and just finished within the time. I think sessions over 25 minutes are rare in Arabella.

So I had four sessions and four Cums. Pretty satisfying really.

Also great to meet Buttlover from the good forum here. He put on several highly charged live sex shows throughout the day which you are allowed to do as long as you use condom's for suck and fuck and don't perform DATY.

Day 3.

Having cum 6 times in the previous 2 days I wasn't feeling horny at all, and as I was planning visiting P3 swingers that night I wanted to fill my sack along the day.

Although I decided to visit Grimberg mainly because of the low entry price 15 before 1 pm . I was here more for a way of killing sometime and relaxing for the afternoon.

I think it feels like the most traditional of the red carpet clubs I've been to yet. A mish mash of connected rooms a bit like Arabella. There were eight girls present and only one I recognised from Freud last year, Bulgarian Jessie, a small big tit blonde with a cheeky face in her thirties. I've banged her several times in Fruede and always found her service rushed, so I didn't repeat here.

Also there were 2 big tit voluptuous brunettes sitting in the room to the left of the counter. They look like sisters and according to the pictures in the cabinet one of them does anal. They seemed to keep to themselves and not mix with the other girls.

There were 2 Young very slim girls hanging out together. They both barely looked 18, one was absolutely tiny with a big mop of long black hair. The other was taller and had a pretty model type face and light brown hair, she seems incredibly popular with all the guys. Both these girls would not be my type, too young and too skinny.

I went for a session with a curvy Bulgarian brunette who was hanging out with Jessie. Service was good but I just wasn't feeling too horny and didn't cum despite good wood. I would gladly repeat with that girl in the future. Like most Bulgarian girls she had no English.

I went for a sauna in the tiny little very hot sauna in the basement and got talking to a local Guy for a while. He emphasised the importance of finding girls who have good sympathy, something I've heard many times in the past from other German guys. Then I had some lunch consisting of pasta soup which was surprisingly tasty, and a couple of cold meat sandwiches.

I left after about 3 hours there, first time I think I have ever been in an FKK and not shooten my load!! Although I did cum once in the swingers later that night..

I look forward to repeating Grimberg when I have a nice full sack. Club is located in a nice area near the zoo and there is an American style Diner next door.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2230639]Day 3.

Having cum 6 times in the previous 2 days I wasn't feeling horny at all, and as I was planning visiting P3 swingers that night I wanted to fill my sack along the day.

Although I decided to visit Grimberg mainly because of the low entry price 15 before 1 pm . I was here more for a way of killing sometime and relaxing for the afternoon.

I think it feels like the most traditional of the red carpet clubs I've been to yet. A mish mash of connected rooms a bit like Arabella. There were eight girls present and only one I recognised from Freud last year, Bulgarian Jessie, a small big tit blonde with a cheeky face in her thirties. I've banged her several times in Fruede and always found her service rushed, so I didn't repeat here.

Also there were 2 big tit voluptuous brunettes sitting in the room to the left of the counter. They look like sisters and according to the pictures in the cabinet one of them does anal. They seemed to keep to themselves and not mix with the other girls..[/QUOTE]Little advice if you don t want to have sex so many better things to do than to visit a FKK club, good restaurants, museums, walking around, probably you will get less frustrated by doing other activities.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2230639]Day 3.

Having cum 6 times in the previous 2 days I wasn't feeling horny at all, and as I was planning visiting P3 swingers that night I wanted to fill my sack along the day.

Although I decided to visit Grimberg mainly because of the low entry price 15 before 1 pm . I was here more for a way of killing sometime and relaxing for the afternoon.

I think it feels like the most traditional of the red carpet clubs I've been to yet. A mish mash of connected rooms a bit like Arabella. There were eight girls present and only one I recognised from Freud last year, Bulgarian Jessie, a small big tit blonde with a cheeky face in her thirties. I've banged her several times in Fruede and always found her service rushed, so I didn't repeat here.

Also there were 2 big tit voluptuous brunettes sitting in the room to the left of the counter. They look like sisters and according to the pictures in the cabinet one of them does anal. They seemed to keep to themselves and not mix with the other girls..[/QUOTE]I was wondering about the details for the P3 swingers club. Is there a site I can check out or a descriptive review? It am thinking it is probably similar to The Phoenix Club in London where there are a handful of girls available and you can do as many as you like for the one price of admission. Is that similar to P3? Also, where is it located?

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2231157]I was wondering about the details for the P3 swingers club. Is there a site I can check out or a descriptive review? It am thinking it is probably similar to The Phoenix Club in London where there are a handful of girls available and you can do as many as you like for the one price of admission. Is that similar to P3? Also, where is it located?[/QUOTE]In P3 it's just pot luck with the local swinger MILFs that turn up.

Reports here.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3170-Other-Swinger-Clubs[/URL]

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2231157] It am thinking it is probably similar to The Phoenix Club in London where there are a handful of girls available and you can do as many as you like for the one price of admission. [/QUOTE]A club exactly like the Phoenix Club would be illegal in Germany. The closest thing are German clubs with a "party"-like setting, but you get tokens in exchange for your entrance fee, and pay for sessions with the tokens.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2231662]A club exactly like the Phoenix Club would be illegal in Germany. The closest thing are German clubs with a "party"-like setting, but you get tokens in exchange for your entrance fee, and pay for sessions with the tokens.[/QUOTE]I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. While it's true that most flat-rate clubs have either closed or shifted to a token system, there are still some which don't mention tokens on their websites.

For example:

[URL]http://airport-girls.eu/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.anni-porsche.de/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.partytreff-pulheim.de[/URL]

[URL]https://partytreff-bremen.de[/URL]

[URL]http://www.saunabynight.de/[/URL] (Mega-Sandwich-Variante).

[URL]http://lovefucktory.de[/URL]

[URL]http://www.erlebniswohnung.com[/URL]

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

[URL]http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879[/URL]#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2231848]I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. [/QUOTE]The law is pretty clear that they are now illegal. I don't know about those you claim are not. Perhaps there are more details when you actually enter, perhaps they are or claim to be swingers clubs, etc.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2231848]I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. While it's true that most flat-rate clubs have either closed or shifted to a token system, there are still some which don't mention tokens on their websites.

For example:

[URL]http://airport-girls.eu/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.anni-porsche.de/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.partytreff-pulheim.de[/URL]

[URL]https://partytreff-bremen.de[/URL]

[URL]http://www.saunabynight.de/[/URL] (Mega-Sandwich-Variante).

[URL]http://lovefucktory.de[/URL]

[URL]http://www.erlebniswohnung.com[/URL]

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

[URL]http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879[/URL]#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.[/QUOTE]Forget all this AO, all those cheating places, stick on big clubs, there is no stupid girl with a nice outlook ready to get fucked without condom, only the desperate one will do it.

I am interested in Saunaclub by night ([URL]http://www.saunabynight.de/[/URL]).

Is this club flat-rate? Or do you have payment by session?

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2231875]The law is pretty clear that they are now illegal[/QUOTE]The law doesn't say explicitely that they are illegal, it justs sets conditions that made them illegal in most cases.

About the proposal of the law (the actual law didn't change significantly):

[URL]https://www.bmfsfj.de/blob/119060/d1c54ba07845c6af4bb2f19791fcc71b/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-data.pdf[/URL]

At page 75, where it examines the conditions under which a brothel cannnot get a licence, you actually read:

"Allein die Tatsache, dass Kunden ein pauscha-les Entgelt zu entrichten haben, fhrt noch nicht zur Versagung der Erlaubnis. ".

Google translate:

"Just the fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees, does not lead to the refusal of permission. ".

[QUOTE]I don't know about those you claim are not. Perhaps there are more details when you actually enter, perhaps they are or claim to be swingers clubs, etc.[/QUOTE]Neither I know anytihng more than I read on the websites, a report from a real visitor would be most interesting. Sure it's possible that they will tell about limitations only when you enter. It's also possible that, even if you're told that service is unlimited, all the girls will start to ignore you once, according to internal undisclosed club rules, you have used up all your service credits. In some clubs this easily happened even before the law, unless you had the savoir-faire and power of persuasion of Sir Wanking.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2232336]The law doesn't say explicitely that they are illegal, it justs sets conditions that made them illegal in most cases.

About the proposal of the law (the actual law didn't change significantly):

[URL]https://www.bmfsfj.de/blob/119060/d1c54ba07845c6af4bb2f19791fcc71b/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-data.pdf[/URL]

At page 75, where it examines the conditions under which a brothel cannnot get a licence, you actually read:

"Allein die Tatsache, dass Kunden ein pauscha-les Entgelt zu entrichten haben, fhrt noch nicht zur Versagung der Erlaubnis. ".

Google translate:

"Just the fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees, does not lead to the refusal of permission. ".

Neither I know anytihng more than I read on the websites, a report from a real visitor would be most interesting. Sure it's possible that they will tell about limitations only when you enter. It's also possible that, even if you're told that service is unlimited, all the girls will start to ignore you once, according to internal undisclosed club rules, you have used up all your service credits. In some clubs this easily happened even before the law, unless you had the savoir-faire and power of persuasion of Sir Wanking.[/QUOTE]And then at the end it will change what, do you really need that to be satisfied, ask may be your self why you need it?

The core consideration is "sexual self-determination," I. E. The sex worker has to retain the right to say yes and no on an individualized basis without coercion such as threat of being fired.

"The prostitution for sexual activity, guaranteed at all times by the Prostitution Act, is one of the basic conditions for the legal recognition of prostitution as a legal transaction aimed at sexual services. Sexual self-determination can not be legally waived.

Therefore, for example, despite prior agreement by the parties involved, it is unacceptable for commercial offers to be designed in such a way that. As reported by so-called "([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-) Gang-Bang" events. A large number of so-called suitors pay an entrance fee in parallel or in full the opportunity for sexual intercourse with the prostitute to be given in a timely manner, with the result that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] are re-enacted, because this leads to a situation in which the person who allows sexual intercourse for a consideration waives the right to choose the customers or to be able to exert influence on the practices used. ".

This is why gang-bang parties are now postured as filmmaking events or swingers events.

"The refusal of permission does not include a prohibition of a particular sexual practice per se, so it is not about a ban on private sex parties. The provision merely acts as a prohibition on the commercial organization of such practices as paid offers.

Even if so-called flat-rate brothels (also known as "all-inclusive" club, "all-inclusive" offer or similar) at least to the outside the appearance is awakened that the prostitutes present in a prostitution site to indiscriminate. ".

In other words you can have a flat-rate club, but it cannot present an offer saying all of the women there are available to you.

"Similarly, if a lump sum to be paid to the operator is available to any customer at any time, it is also likely to have a ground for refusal under point 1, since it constitutes a breach of the prostitution law if a prostitute commits a previously fixed pay to a third party to make an indefinite number of sexual harassment Commit file. ".

In addition, a flat-rate club cannot offer unlimited sex with any individual woman.

"In addition to the application for the offer to the outside, the assessment of the contractual internal relationship between the prostitute and the operator is decisive for the assessment. The mere fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees does not lead to their refusal. ".

In addition, a flat-rate club cannot have management that as an employer coerces workers into having unwanted sex.

I will be staying in Bochum while I am there. Are there any large clubs with hotter women like Oase or Sharks in the area, or should I plan a couple days in Frankfurt if I want to go to these clubs as well?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2233508]I will be staying in Bochum while I am there. Are there any large clubs with hotter women like Oase or Sharks in the area, or should I plan a couple days in Frankfurt if I want to go to these clubs as well?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Bochum is Dusseldorf suburb. Many clubs around Dusseldorf. Higher level for me than Frankfurt. Open your eyes and work to find your own girls.

Bochum is absolutely not in the suburbs of Dusseldorf, it's a completely different city 50 km away from Dusseldorf. Besides F39, there is one rather large club close to Bochum, the FKK Great Palace but I fear the quality kept on dropping (and it was never really high). The big clubs of NRW (Oceans, Magnum, Acapulco, Golden Time) are at least 30 km away from Bochum.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2231848]

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

[URL]http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879[/URL]#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.[/QUOTE]Varenne, you are doing a great job keeping your map up to date.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2234116]Varenne, you are doing a great job keeping your map up to date.[/QUOTE]Yes very interesting and useful, a new life is starting from now after just 1000 FKK visits.

FKK Great Palace?? Well: it maybe ok on a Friday or Saturday evening. But for all other evenings it will be deserted. From my perspective, I am expecting them to close down this club. How could they have it survive on just to moderately filled evenings??

Salome is a notch better than FKK Great Palace, in my opinion. Oceans and Magnum are two notches better than FKK Great Palace. But all 3 are still a no-go for weekday eves. Acapulco-Velbert ok- not too bad- but it is a 30 min drive. If you can drive 30 min, why not drive 55 to GoldenTime?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2233845]Bochum is absolutely not in the suburbs of Dusseldorf, it's a completely different city 50 km away from Dusseldorf. Besides F39, there is one rather large club close to Bochum, the FKK Great Palace but I fear the quality kept on dropping (and it was never really high). The big clubs of NRW (Oceans, Magnum, Acapulco, Golden Time) are at least 30 km away from Bochum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2234262]FKK Great Palace?? Well: it maybe ok on a Friday or Saturday evening. But for all other evenings it will be deserted. From my perspective, I am expecting them to close down this club. How could they have it survive on just to moderately filled evenings??

Salome is a notch better than FKK Great Palace, in my opinion. Oceans and Magnum are two notches better than FKK Great Palace. But all 3 are still a no-go for weekday eves. Acapulco-Velbert ok- not too bad- but it is a 30 min drive. If you can drive 30 min, why not drive 55 to GoldenTime?[/QUOTE]Sounds like coming from some experience. How is Magnum now a days? Have you been recently? Is weekend still dead until 7-8 ish and major sausage fest midnight onwards? I stopped attending after getting fed up with the club.

I go there once a month and really only on fridays and yes, the prime-time to go is 9 pm onwards. I like variety and I like german young. Not so experienced. Girls, so sometimes you find some really nice ones there. At times, there is a really good looking rumanian, Loredana, there with real. DD-boobs, end-twenties. See here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3394-Magnum-Saunaclub-Erkrath-near-Dusseldorf&p=2224617&viewfull=1#post2224617[/URL] and also two posts prior to that.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2234322]Sounds like coming from some experience. How is Magnum now a days? Have you been recently? Is weekend still dead until 7-8 ish and major sausage fest midnight onwards? I stopped attending after getting fed up with the club.[/QUOTE]

I will be staying near Bochum so I will be within 30 minutes of several clubs, Arabella, F39, Grimberg. I was wondering the clubs policies for leaving and returning the same day. Do I have to pay again to re-enter?

I was thinking I could go eat or go to the hotel and rest up between rooms. Does the policy vary from club to club?

I know from my experience in Dietz it can be pretty boring between rooms in the smaller clubs and after a couple of pops it may be a couple of hours between rooms.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2240408]I will be staying near Bochum so I will be within 30 minutes of several clubs, Arabella, F39, Grimberg. I was wondering the clubs policies for leaving and returning the same day. Do I have to pay again to re-enter?

I was thinking I could go eat or go to the hotel and rest up between rooms. Does the policy vary from club to club?

I know from my experience in Dietz it can be pretty boring between rooms in the smaller clubs and after a couple of pops it may be a couple of hours between rooms.[/QUOTE]Just visit a serious club like Shark. Where you can relax, sauna. Of course Dietz is a terrible place.

[QUOTE=CpHowdy;2240408]I will be staying near Bochum so I will be within 30 minutes of several clubs, Arabella, F39, Grimberg. I was wondering the clubs policies for leaving and returning the same day. Do I have to pay again to re-enter?

I was thinking I could go eat or go to the hotel and rest up between rooms. Does the policy vary from club to club?

I know from my experience in Dietz it can be pretty boring between rooms in the smaller clubs and after a couple of pops it may be a couple of hours between rooms.[/QUOTE]It depends on the reception lady. Generally, when I ask they let me back in.

Just back from a too long trip. Visited each and every RTC. "C" obviously stands for church, every person I met was extremely religious, some even sodomites. Also explored Club By Night in Tonisvorst (already visited once in spring but not reported), heaven7, Oase & Sharks, whose devoted visitors are going to assault my posts when written, LOL.
Searched also RLDs. In Duisburg there is an entire house of girls one more beautiful than the other, but I guess they would wank you covered. 30E for 20 minutes plus 20E for BBBJ and nothing else sounded unappealing to me, after squandering 50E for 30, not 20, minutes in Sharks.

I entered them all at happy hour. No need to be an economist to understand that the purpose of HH is to make more people enter, since quality of girls, service and sometimes even quantity is down the hill. Posts will follow.

In recent times, when not having important or urgent "targets" to hit, I would normally land in Dusseldorf and go to Leverkusen because of proximity. This time I didn't even bother, given the datas I had. Having booked an accommodation in Dietzenbach for 2 nights some days later, I decided to go to Luderland on the way there, but datas where still bad, so I gladly thanked my navi for choosing to make me go via Dortmund and postponed it to the return.

Since my last day in Hessen would have been in Sharks, I thought it was also a way to finally spend money for real sex and worthy service, specially after a highly likely wasted day in this tremendously overestimated overadvertised club, honestly really great, the best I have ever visited, in everything but girls (and their service).

So, from my info only Rebecca and Isabella could have been a chance for me in Luderland. When I entered, a blonde MILF had the only smile on the face in the all club, apart from the very gentle theke. She was slim, fuckable, I was sure I knew her, the 2 targets were not on sight, so I went for her. We recalled I had been with her in Verena long ago, I don't remember under which name, here she was Adriana. I was lucky to catch her, she would have left in a couple of days. We followed all the steps of the via crucis until a great long fuck in the ass finalized with a happy "clyster" ;-)
No clock watching, no hurry, no discussions, no pains, no "No"s and as many as 30 euros abandoning me. Sharks was 206 kms away, but it seemed in another galaxy.

Then I sat on Rebecca's couch waiting for her. She was continuously busy, not that slim, but young with a pretty smile. Surprisingly, she said she professed another religion. I thought she was joking, she insisted a lot, so I left her to the following man on line. Then I moved to Isabella, young with a slim ok body, but an ugly face with a sad expression. I jokingly asked her why she was so sad, if in the room she would cheer up. She said she wouldn't and that she belonged to the same church of Rebecca. I left her couch without sorrows, I didn't like her and didn't think she could be a good room in any case.

I understood what was wrong: they didn't like the fact that I had gone with the MILF and probably fucked her in the ass. In every RTC club, if girls suspect you have fucked a colleague in the ass, they will refuse you with any excuse even if they know you.

For the record, in german AO forums they both have posts, only defect seems to be they don't like CIP.

Rest of crew were Michaela, Oana, Veronika, Sarah (become big!) Lori and another 3-4 for me unzimmerable females, no Selina, no Anita. About her, somebody in freiercafe recently wrote a post which would make you fly to Leverkusen urgently. Actually I heard she gained further weight. It is said that Giotto drew a perfect circle. If there had been a little error, then that would have been a portrait of Anita.

So I went back to Adriana. This time her ass was a bit in pain, so I had to quit it and be happy with just a "frustrating" CIP. Again 30E. 206 kms and lots of euros and degrees of heat away from Otto-Rohm strasse in Darmstadt.

Visited the ranch and its herd in an evening HH with a couple of disgusted german friends. Another couple of calves had been born:

Adelina, Micky being the sister and not the mum. Adelina is pratically exactly like her older sister some 20 kgs ago.

Nelly, bulgarian, probably related to Sissi.

Enriched by nearly 40 yo Jenny and MILF-grandmo Cancu, both from F39.

By the attendance of at least 50 yo Magda.

Captained by a theke at level, sorry, I mean at weight.

Grimberg farm had only one female who was both under 30 yo and under 85 kgs (which normally are even distributed in around 150 cms of height): skeletal Angie. Katy and Lily were on holiday.

I felt obliged to give a sense to my attendance and went with Nelly. Young, sweet, with a pretty smile, in zimmer informed me that she didn't want cubs nor liked gargling. Not even a COF. Since I know that these girls hate water more than cats do, I like to think that at least she had to wash her wide body quite a bit.

Welcome back. Thanks for all your detailed helpful reports.

One point you make which is rarely made is exactly right.

"I understood what was wrong: they didn't like the fact that I had gone with the MILF and probably fucked her in the ass. In every RTC club, if girls suspect you have fucked a colleague in the ass, they will refuse you with any excuse even if they know".

I have been blacklisted (temporarily) for this very reason. Some girls who do anal have even denied that service to me when I have been the regular guest if an anti-anal campaigner.

The club was offering HH morning and evening after being for a lot of time the only RTC which didn't have it. I remember going there one day yes and one no, staying the entire day, making plenty of rooms, spending several hours in zimmer, just memories. This time I couldn't resist more than 4 hours in 2 visits, the second one being a mistake, a misunderstanding over a supposed new beautiful girl (don't trust all you read in freiercafe!)

Maria moved to Arabella, Katy to F39, Andrea to Grimberg; Anna, Alissia, Erika, Ina (back on duty for a short while after giving birth) on holiday; Baby lost in space since some 5 months, plus I am surely forgetting someone else, who was left? Bulgarians Sonia, Monika, Melly; romanians Michaela BB, Jasmine.

Then new for me:

A couple of insignificant cows, one (Lili) I had to take for punishing myself for going to Duisburg unnecessarily, wasn't even able to compensate with service, not even good at blowing;.

Daniela, good body, sad and bored face, seemed uninterested in anything around her;.

Alizeeh, I was curious about her being half romanian and half Iraqi. Not bad, good body inspite of 4 children, slim, short, with a personality, but in the room something else is needed. A bit frenetic, "abspritzorientert", pratically no kissing. All in all, you can do without her;.

Emma, blonde, short, nice slim body. One of the few cases when you can agree with freiercafe. With her, you are alone on the couch and in the room. Even back downstairs, with the wallet in your hand, she will be an ectoplasm. She could be sister of blonde Patrizia in Verena, same body, same facial expression, same enthusiasm.

If time ago I used to post that Venus was the club to go, now I am sorry to say you might skip it without any regret.

Visited a couple of weeks ago, had some 8 girls. Ina got married, Elena is trying her luck in a normal club, too-beautiful-for-these-clubs-Laura left this summer.

Found:

Andrea, the prettiest one, new little young star, left before 12am. I couldn't see her anymore because she eventually went on holiday;

Gypsy sisters Alice and Maria;

Patrizia, whose contagious cheerfulness I already described;

MILF Aurelia, back with a few kgs more, the only smiling face of the club;

Madi, useless hippo wandering around the RTC savanas in search of maniacs who might take her to the room;

Tina, frozen ornament on holiday on following visit. Friendliness and warmth at level of Patrizia;

The other one, evidently insignificant, at the moment escape me.

On a more recent visit, the HH entrance had been shortened at 11 am (was 1 pm) and postponed at 8 pm (was at 6 pm) but was 15 E (I'd say it was 20), I found also:

Bulgarians Layla and Marianna (who left in early afternoon) from F39 had been transferred there for a few days to strenghten the line up;

A decent face with a decent body romanian 27 yo, good service;

Sarah, 19 yo half roman half romanian was back from holidays. Body quite good, just make sure you go in a room with a pillow in case you don't fuck her from behind.

Two side notes: in the club the music is always too loud since opening, and the temperature is too low.

The unfortunate story is that some girls are of course forced to do this work. I never never ever would go with girls, that seem sad, bored or uninterested in a room with me.

German law even requires us, to report on girls who maybe forced. But then again: this is a bit farfetched. But good still to avoid those WGs.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2242525]

Daniela, good body, sad and bored face, seemed uninterested in anything around her;.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2242583]The unfortunate story is that some girls are of course forced to do this work. I never never ever would go with girls, that seem sad, bored or uninterested in a room with me.

German law even requires us, to report on girls who maybe forced. But then again: this is a bit farfetched. But good still to avoid those WGs.[/QUOTE]I hear time and again that 90% of girls have a boyfriend that pushes them to work in some way. When a girl breaks up with her boyfriend then she usually ends the job. But as soon as she gets a boyfriend again then she goes back to work again. I don't have any statistical data to back this up but this is the claims of working girls whether in Golden Time, World or Sharks or Oase.

When a girls says she is independent or don't have a boyfriend then invariably they do. Even when she is going out with you on an Escort or even for a "free one" you find that they do. Girls are very good at hiding the boyfriend on their social media and some are not so good at it.

Thanks again For your entertaining reports! Your descriptions of some of the girls is hilarious!

Keep up the great reports!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2242456]Welcome back. Thanks for all your detailed helpful reports.

One point you make which is rarely made is exactly right.

"I understood what was wrong: they didn't like the fact that I had gone with the MILF and probably fucked her in the ass. In every RTC club, if girls suspect you have fucked a colleague in the ass, they will refuse you with any excuse even if they know".

I have been blacklisted (temporarily) for this very reason. Some girls who do anal have even denied that service to me when I have been the regular guest if an anti-anal campaigner.[/QUOTE]I was black listed as well. In Verena last year or 2 yrs ago, I was hammering Denisa anal like some "black on blondes" porno. Drilled her for 2 days. After spreading her nicely in the morning, I noticed a new cutie & she was busy. Another cutie same thing but they were just sitting there. Whatever. I just returned to Denisa & pounded her anal again!

Some 9 girls on my visit.

Sabrina, 38 yo last August. Now retired (but she had done it already once), had become big but her performances must have remained extraordinary, since practically nearly every customer entering would make at least one room with her (at least before she started expanding a couple of years ago). She got many farewell messages in forums;

Lana, got bigger and changed haircomb, I hadn't recognized her. Years ago I used to define her an excellent safety net, but haven't zimmered her since long time;

Janina, one of the few girls whose body doesn't continuously expand, I'd dare to say she's physically exactly as I met her years ago, while her brain is constantly rejuvenating. A pity we don't match;

Elena, new face for me, worth a try inspite of bad reports. Young, blonde, slim, glasses which make her uglier, so-so face, doesn't put effort, not skilled. Better than Verena's Patrizia and Venus' Emma, but still good mainly for necrophiliacs;

Anna, young, on the slightly chubby side, but good performer;

Bianca, already described, slim good body, unexpressive ugly face with worse expression, you may see more lively people at a funeral;

Nicole, already described, blonde MILF with glasses, gives ass;

Maria from Venus.

A nameless cow.

Not seen Alexandra, Carmen, Anastasia and the resident bulgarian around 50 yo Maria, now all on duty.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2242872]
but still good mainly for necrophiliacs;
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you may see more lively people at a funeral;
[/QUOTE]Best working girl descriptions ever!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2242101]Just back from a too long trip.

Oase & Sharks, whose devoted visitors are going to assault my posts when written, LOL.

In Duisburg there is an entire house of girls one more beautiful than the other, but I guess they would wank you covered. 30E for 20 minutes plus 20E for BBBJ and nothing else sounded unappealing to me, after squandering 50E for 30, not 20, minutes in Sharks.[/QUOTE]EastGoing,

Long time fan of your reports. I can't wait to read your reports of Oase and Sharks. Don't worry about the critics. Report what you see and wish to make known. Different views are the lifeblood of these forums.

Our role is to report and its for others to read and make their own decisions instead of being dictated to.