Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531334]This is my last word on it because as I said before, I don't come here for arguments. No you absolutely did not make it known that it was a reference pic, you just plagairzed another pic as if it was your own. Now your justifying stealing another person's content because I saw a $10 hooker on the street that I recognised from another BMs post, that's using another person's picture, my god are you high or something? What a clown. Don't use any more of my content without permission, I'm out.[/QUOTE]ISG Gestapo at work. Lighten up Francis LOL.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531499]You've been brainwashed by the liberal media. You're just too stupid to realize that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Paulie, the arrogant blowhard, is creating another stupid narrative. The federal judges did not do anything in 60 courts! OMG, that really means something.

If you know anything about federal courts, and obviously an idiot like Paulie does not, judges can use the excuse of a person not having standing to throw out any claim they do not want to hear. I am not sure how any American does not have standing in determining if there was a fair election, but that was one of the excuses given to not hear the cases.

After the 2000 Supreme Court decision and the shit they got for it, I was sure no judge would hear one case and that was before a lick of evidence was produced, and the judges did exactly as I expected them to.

Paulie is on ignore for me. He has nothing useful to say. All this stuff is a diversion anyway. What started all this is his accusing a poster of being bitter with women to make himself feel better because all women just love him so much. He is a beta libtard mangina and a card carrying member of the feminazi party.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2531630]He is a beta libtard mangina and a card carrying member of the feminazi party.[/QUOTE]Keep speaking wise one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2531492]Nounce,

I had six women lined up in Colombia all telling me of their troubles, and I ached in the loins dying to go see them. Anybody who posted anything that I felt got in the way may have been unfairly attacked. If I did that with you, I apologize.

I understand when governments have to make decisions particularly about controversial matters. My gift, which often is a curse, is that I see things more quickly than others. I will clap at a sports event about a good play before it has happened because of that anticipation. It is not always right, but before I understood my gift, I thought I was weird.

Anyway, I did go to Mexico to cure my Colombia blues certain I would never find somewhere as good. At first I looked at Mexico like hamburger in comparison to filet. But I should have invested more time in Mexico than whine about Colombia. Now I think of Colombia as a filet and Mexico as a porterhouse, a filet with a sirloin attached.[/QUOTE]As you know I lien the other way. I think Mexico is far better, but all my experience were in MDE. I am sure I would enjoy Bog, much better as we discussed.

That beind said I do understand why a lot of guys love MDE.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2531856]As you know I lien the other way. I think Mexico is far better, but all my experience were in MDE. I am sure I would enjoy Bog, much better as we discussed.

That beind said I do understand why a lot of guys love MDE.[/QUOTE]DF,

I guess I did not make my point well. Instead of whining about not going to Colombia, Mexico was wide open. I should have invested more time and energy there and less in Colombia. I was just convinced it could never be as good, and I now think it is better.

That is what I meant with my steak comparison.

I never would have given Monterrey another shot unless you told me how you were killing it there and lately I have been looking at other places there too, more off the beaten path.

I will probably go back to Colombia in March but that PCR test is a pain in the ass and a cost, and it will probably add $250 and one extra day to my trip, so while Colombia is overall cheaper, that is an upfront hit that Mexico does not have.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2533566]Yes, Bello is very dangerous. Please stay far away (wink wink).[/QUOTE]Good luck bro. Why request time from the membership, asking for help when you already know everything? You want to pay 80 K US cash for an apartment in Bello, a city torn by gang violence / turf wars. And this without a lawyer, because you've made a few trips to Colombia and think some of the working girls who have serviced you are your friend, and thus have your back in these matters. You aren't afraid of protection fees from the local gangs, even though they have their hands in about everything, and you have no idea what they might want to charge you once you are profiled. We are all very impressed. Wink.

And you want to do this all while doing white and pink powder with the girls, and of course you'll laugh off any warnings in that matter as well. So hit it bro. You don't need any feedback from anyone here, nor should anyone waste their time with you.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2533585]Good luck bro. Why request time from the membership, asking for help when you already know everything? You want to pay 80 K US cash for an apartment in Bello, a city torn by gang violence / turf wars. And this without a lawyer, because you've made a few trips to Colombia and think some of the working girls who have serviced you are your friend, and thus have your back in these matters. You aren't afraid of protection fees from the local gangs, even though they have their hands in about everything, and you have no idea what they might want to charge you once you are profiled. We are all very impressed. Wink.

And you want to do this all while doing white and pink powder with the girls, and of course you'll laugh off any warnings in that matter as well. So hit it bro. You don't need any feedback from anyone here, nor should anyone waste their time with you.[/QUOTE]I foresee this will be the most expensive thing he has even bought in his life. Fool just does not know it yet. Seriously, taking advice from hookers who probably never passed high school, half his age, and have never bought property of their own. My bet is that very few of this girls have even signed a simply rental agreement. Simply brilliant!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2537737]So you fucked 40 times over 10 days and used a total of 4 pills of 50 MG each. So one might assume that you rarely used the pills, and assuming you took the entire pill versus cutting it into halves or quarters, your aware the stuff does wear off after few hours. So if this wasn't the case, perhaps took the pills and cut them in half or quarters when you thought you might need them.

So using me as an example, I only need a 25 MG dose, and easily can go without using it early in the morning, so if I were to bang 4 times a day, I would need three 25 MG doses to do another three in the day, or the equivalent of 750 MG or 15 pills for ten days which would be cut in half. I have no idea how old you are, or your physical condition, but I'm a senior citizen, and to do what you did, I would need 15 pills cut in half to do 40 girls over 10 days.

Now all of this begs a question. I know taking the pills get me hard, and I will be able to fuck four times a day, but coming four times a day ain't going to happen, but coming twice a day, spaced out over time is doable for me, and I'm not bragging here, but typically I'm good for blowing two loads a day, but fucking four times a day, it happens when I have sleep overs with Chicas, but hunting down, and going with four different girls a day is a busy schedule, and totally doable hitting the casa's and El Centro.

So here's the question for you, did you come every time, meaning 40 times over 10 days doing 4 girls a day, and if not, what was your batting average, meaning how many times did you finish?

Curious minds want to know?[/QUOTE]Why are you so interested in his dick? He said he came every time, some even more than once. And also he said he was 41 earlier. Read his replies before you ask any more questions.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2537763]Why are you so interested in his dick? He said he came every time, some even more than once. And also he said he was 41 earlier. Read his replies before you ask any more questions. 😂.[/QUOTE]Why are you quoting his whole post just to say this 😂?

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2537763]Why are you so interested in his dick? He said he came every time, some even more than once. And also he said he was 41 earlier. Read his replies before you ask any more questions. 😂.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I did miss the post you referred to buried among several others.

We always can learn something from others, and more than 44 pops in ten days for a guy that's 41 years old is quite a feat. And yes, I am interested in how I could make my dick perform like his, and my bet there are others as well who would love to be able to blow four loads a day for ten days in a row, and if there are perhaps some pointers or other information available to enable others to perform like this it would be good to know, as we are all here to partake in this sport as much as possible.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2537763]Why are you so interested in his dick? He said he came every time, some even more than once. And also he said he was 41 earlier. Read his replies before you ask any more questions. 😂.[/QUOTE]Are you the new moderator?

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2528234]I can help with anybody looking for poon here. I've mongered here for years and connect you with different girls.
I'm bored during COVID so if anyone is in Vancouver looking for some action, PM me or reply here and I can point you in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Have you ever flown outside of Vancouver, as I couldn't find any post from any other city? Are you bored enough to wonder how to impregnate poor Colombian girls and won't be responsible for that?

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2525892]My question is, if these girls get pregnant from BBFS, do they even have the financial resources to get you to paternity test? How will they even find you after you switch hotels / accommodations for the umpteenth time? How will they even know your real name?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2537763]Why are you so interested in his dick? He said he came every time, some even more than once. And also he said he was 41 earlier. Read his replies before you ask any more questions. 😂.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2537816]You are correct, I did miss the post you referred to buried among several others.

We always can learn something from others, and more than 44 pops in ten days for a guy that's 41 years old is quite a feat. And yes, I am interested in how I could make my dick perform like his, and my bet there are others as well who would love to be able to blow four loads a day for ten days in a row, and if there are perhaps some pointers or other information available to enable others to perform like this it would be good to know, as we are all here to partake in this sport as much as possible.[/QUOTE]Technically Surfer was not talking about the man's dick, he is talking about something doctors call 'refractory period'. The time it takes to recharge the batteries to have sex after blowing a load. The dick is just the blunt instrument while the 'refractory period' as they call it depends on a lot of complex bio chemistry. We all know this from experience but in general when we are like 17 years old we can have sex every 15 minutes or so, then that time starts increasing at various rates for everyone by the time we are in our thirties, some times by the time a guy is in his 50's it can take a whole day to recharge.

[URL]https://greatist.com/play/male-refractory-period[/URL]#how-long.

[URL]https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19518536/male-refractory-period/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2538645]Majority of guys find the large boob Coke bottle shape to be the ideal. This is what most guys are looking for unless specifically stated otherwise. Look at all the women super heroes in comics. Look at the women in the magazines Maxim, Penthouse, Playboy, FHM (England), Debonair (India), Urecco (Japan).

Any calendar, magazine, or beauty contest filled with chubby, tooth pick thin, or small boobs would go bankrupt. Most guys like these other types from time to time but not on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]LoveitHere,

I will do your post one better. A guy I know had a selection of 20 women's and men's photos. He had them hooked up to a device that measured brain waves. He knew what parts of the brain lit up when there was sexual activity. Peak sexual arousal was with the same 2 women and same 2 men every time.

I could look up a woman's photo and the market she was in and guess what she was charging most of the time with great accuracy.

With JJBee, every post has some objective appearing ideal but really is just a way for him to argue he has the finest. I have posted photos of literal beauty queen winners, and he called them average looking.

You could be fucking the exact same women as him but somehow his women are better looking than yours.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2539017]LoveitHere,

I will do your post one better. A guy I know had a selection of 20 women's and men's photos. He had them hooked up to a device that measured brain waves. He knew what parts of the brain lit up when there was sexual activity. Peak sexual arousal was with the same 2 women and same 2 men every time.

I could look up a woman's photo and the market she was in and guess what she was charging most of the time with great accuracy.

With JJBee, every post has some objective appearing ideal but really is just a way for him to argue he has the finest. I have posted photos of literal beauty queen winners, and he called them average looking.

You could be fucking the exact same women as him but somehow his women are better looking than yours.[/QUOTE]Off your meds again? You've slipped through the rabbit hole again. There are no posts where I've declared the women I see are better looking than everyone else's girls. The only picture you posted which I remember commenting on, showed a girl who you said had 0% body fat, when the picture clearly showed a woman with much more than that. 0% body fat is Kate Moss after fasting for a week. I do recall commenting that not one of your photos showed a girl obviously photographed by you. I don't claim to be bedding beauty queens, but if I did I'd post a picture taken by me in my bed, rather than one showing a woman competing at a local bar.

If you paid attention to my post, rather than trying for another passive aggressive shot (why are all the self proclaimed "alphas" always passive aggressive? You would have noticed that I didn't compare anyone else's women to my women. I explained why not. We all have different preferences, we all value things differently.

I've also stated before there is no basis to determine who has the best experiences, which is something you frequently claim. There's no quantitative measurements for sexual satisfaction. It's a subjective determination.

No let's move on to the guy you know. Care to link the study? Can you at least tell us the device he used and which areas of the brain "lit up" from sexual arousal. This should be interesting. While you're at it, show us the 20 photos.

This sounds suspiciously like an Elvis story. There was a study done a few years back, which gauged a person's trust based upon pictures of various people. There have been a few studies in the last 20 years measuring brain wave activity during sexually arousing activities, such as reading sexual literature or viewing sexual images. However, a quick search shows an EEG was used, which doesn't "light up" areas of the brain. It measures the various types of brain waves in various places.

Having 20 photos, and a device doesn't really show anything. Was the study peer reviewed? What methodology was used to select the photos? What were the selection criteria for participants? How many participants? How diverse were the participants?

Ultimately, it doesn't answer the poster's question. Where do you go in Medellin to find the 10's who will be available to a short time visitor? I'm assuming he doesn't want to send a bunch of money to girls for several months first. I know how to find them, but I don't know how to direct someone with no knowledge of Medellin, very little planning time and no resources in the area.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2537816]You are correct, I did miss the post you referred to buried among several others.

We always can learn something from others, and more than 44 pops in ten days for a guy that's 41 years old is quite a feat. And yes, I am interested in how I could make my dick perform like his, and my bet there are others as well who would love to be able to blow four loads a day for ten days in a row, and if there are perhaps some pointers or other information available to enable others to perform like this it would be good to know, as we are all here to partake in this sport as much as possible.[/QUOTE]

I mean look, maybe I got a little more edgy with you because you laughed at my post a few pages back.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2537852]Are you the new moderator?

Have you ever flown outside of Vancouver, as I couldn't find any post from any other city? Are you bored enough to wonder how to impregnate poor Colombian girls and won't be responsible for that?[/QUOTE]

Did I hurt your feelings somewhere?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2537816]You are correct, I did miss the post you referred to buried among several others.

We always can learn something from others, and more than 44 pops in ten days for a guy that's 41 years old is quite a feat. And yes, I am interested in how I could make my dick perform like his, and my bet there are others as well who would love to be able to blow four loads a day for ten days in a row, and if there are perhaps some pointers or other information available to enable others to perform like this it would be good to know, as we are all here to partake in this sport as much as possible.[/QUOTE]Amazon: Sunflower Lecithin and Pygium and Pumpkinseed oil. They are like horse pills, but when I take 12-16 of them a day + lots of water I blow loads like a porn star. I will bring a whole bottle of each on my trips and just grab a handful of them before / after every fuck to try to bulk back up.

My God, you are fucking stupid. In fact, let me get rid of the dumb shit stuff out of the way first.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2539209]I remember commenting on, showed a girl who you said had 0% body fat, when the picture clearly showed a woman with much more than that. 0% body fat is Kate Moss after fasting for a week.[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? 0% fat is death dumb ass.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2539209]Can you at least tell us the device he used and which areas of the brain "lit up" from sexual arousal. This should be interesting. However, a quick search shows an EEG was used, which doesn't "light up" areas of the brain. It measures the various types of brain waves in various places.[/QUOTE]Yeah, go to 7:30 second on this video. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rWVzMdZ15A[/URL].

It amazes me how fucking stupid you are when it comes to medical matters. You went into a doctor fearing Covid and it was your heart and then you lecture about Covid. WTF is wrong with you? You are literally a walking Dunning-Kruger effect.

So yeah, you hook up the EEG and the parts of the brain that are most active turn red. So do you need a peer reviewed study to show what the color red is?

Now you can go off on your IQ or the fact your sister is nurse, but any time you EVER bring up health care matters, I am going to bring up the fact that you are such a moron you could not tell the difference between atrial fibrillation and Covid. And if you cannot do that, you have no business doing anything with commentary with regards to health matters.

And I knew you had atrial fibrillation without you even saying what it was just based on what happened to you. Got that? I knew more about what was going on with your body remotely from a hooker board than you did in real life, you stupid fuck.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2539209] You would have noticed that I didn't compare anyone else's women to my women. I explained why not. We all have different preferences, we all value things differently.

Ultimately, it doesn't answer the poster's question. Where do you go in Medellin to find the 10's who will be available to a short time visitor? I'm assuming he doesn't want to send a bunch of money to girls for several months first. I know how to find them, but I don't know how to direct someone with no knowledge of Medellin.[/QUOTE]I thought 10's were subjective. Oh right, they are objective 10's when you find them. That was pretty much my point with you.

And you have to have knowledge of a city to find 10's? So my banging a beauty queen in Cartagena without having set foot in the city prior to meeting her? I am a liar and just "claimed" to have found her.

So how come you believe I was sending women money when the travel ban was on and not that I was banging a beauty queen? Hell, I showed pictures of the beauty queen and not my Western Union receipts.

To me, there is a simple answer, you are a narcissistic, self serving piece of shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2539662]My God, you are fucking stupid. In fact, let me get rid of the dumb shit stuff out of the way first.

WTF are you talking about? 0% fat is death dumb ass.

Yeah, go to 7:30 second on this video. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rWVzMdZ15A[/URL].

It amazes me how fucking stupid you are when it comes to medical matters. You went into a doctor fearing Covid and it was your heart and then you lecture about Covid. WTF is wrong with you? You are literally a walking Dunning-Kruger effect.

So yeah, you hook up the EEG and the parts of the brain that are most active turn red. So do you need a peer reviewed study to show what the color red is?

Now you can go off on your IQ or the fact your sister is nurse, but any time you EVER bring up health care matters, I am going to bring up the fact that you are such a moron you could not tell the difference between atrial fibrillation and Covid. And if you cannot do that, you have no business doing anything with commentary with regards to health matters.[/QUOTE]I vote this #1 of all time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2539662]My God, you are fucking stupid. In fact, let me get rid of the dumb shit stuff out of the way first.

WTF are you talking about? 0% fat is death dumb ass.[/QUOTE]Perhaps that's the problem. Maybe you were really fucking a corpse and just posted a picture of 2 girls standing on the beach when you said the girl had 0% body fat. I don't really know, but then you're the one who posted it.

[QUOTE]Yeah, go to 7:30 second on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rWVzMdZ15A[/QUOTE]Cool video.

[QUOTE]It amazes me how fucking stupid you are when it comes to medical matters. You went into a doctor fearing Covid and it was your heart and then you lecture about Covid. WTF is wrong with you? You are literally a walking Dunning-Kruger effect.

So yeah, you hook up the EEG and the parts of the brain that are most active turn red. So do you need a peer reviewed study to show what the color red is?[/QUOTE]Well yes, you do need a peer reviewed study. Do you understand the purpose of the peer review process? The peer review process is to determine if the study was conducted correctly and if the conclusions drawn are consistent with the methodology. Perhaps an example would help.

In 1998 Dr. Andrew Wakefield published a study in "The Lancet" showing that the Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccine caused autism in 12 children. Peer review showed that Wakefield had falsified data, altered his subjects medical history and, to cut to the chase, made the whole thing up. Eventually Wakefield lost his medical credentials and the study was revoked.

That's why peer review is necessary. So you know a guy who spent $500 on an EEG headset? And the guy took 20 pictures and showed them to different people and always the same 2 photos caused the areas of the brain associated with sexual arousal to turn red? Other than having $500, what are his other qualifications? What are the backgrounds of the subjects? Ethnic, socio-económic, age, sex, sexual orientation. How were the 20 photos chosen? The requirements for an unbiased study go on and on, but they are somewhat more restrictive than "I know a guy. ".

To add to that, the cool EEG headset gives a nice visual effect, something that looks good in a YouTube video. However, it's useless in quantitative analysis. An actual EEG measures and differentiates the separate types of brain activity.

[QUOTE]Now you can go off on your IQ or the fact your sister is nurse, but any time you EVER bring up health care matters, I am going to bring up the fact that you are such a moron you could not tell the difference between atrial fibrillation and Covid. And if you cannot do that, you have no business doing anything with commentary with regards to health matters.

And I knew you had atrial fibrillation without you even saying what it was just based on what happened to you. Got that? I knew more about what was going on with your body remotely from a hooker board than you did in real life, you stupid fuck.[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight. You knew, that these 3 symptoms, fever, shortness of breath and a dry cough, were an indication of atrial fibrillation and not a reason to get a Covid test? Can you please just be clear about that. Just state publicly that a person who is experiencing fever, shortness of breath and a dry cough is more likely to be suffering from atrial fibrillation than from any form of infectious disease, including Covid which affects the respiratory system.

You knew? After I experienced those symptoms, before you read the results I posted, you knew? I'm impressed. Several nurses, 3 doctors, plus all the support personnel didn't know my Covid test was going to come back negative, but you would have known? Absolutely amazing! How do you do that? Seriously, our medical professionals need to know. Think of the lives that could be saved if all they needed to do is read the conclusion online, after the fact, and then state "I knew that. ".

No. You didn't know. You knew nothing except what you read, although I'll give you credit for one of the few times you've read something and came close to getting it right. You didn't know, I didn't know, 3 nurses didn't know. You didn't know that a few months before my company had made it a requirement to get a Covid test if any employee experienced any of the above symptoms. All you knew is that another cause was found for the symptoms and you want to do some selective time travel to claim you knew it all along.

[QUOTE]I thought 10's were subjective. Oh right, they are objective 10's when you find them. That was pretty much my point with you.[/QUOTE]The only point you've ever had with me is that I called you out on your Venezuelan in Peru, whiney ass bullshit. You've had a stick up your butt ever since.

As for calling them 10's, it's easier. If someone is asking about 9's and 10's, I can either use their terminology, or I can go through 50 questions to figure out what they call a 9 or 10, and repeat the classification each time.

[QUOTE]And you have to have knowledge of a city to find 10's? So my banging a beauty queen in Cartagena without having set foot in the city prior to meeting her? I am a liar and just "claimed" to have found her.

So how come you believe I was sending women money when the travel ban was on and not that I was banging a beauty queen? Hell, I showed pictures of the beauty queen and not my Western Union receipts.[/QUOTE]Was she a 10, or was she a beauty queen? I'm confused on the subject. You showed a picture of a girl, with a background similar to what you'll frequently find at bars holding contests during spring break, biker rallys, etc. It didn't look like the set for a national or international beauty pageant. I don't want to be overly particular, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that picture failed to support your claim. Was she attractive? Yes. Would I call her a 10? Not based on that picture.

As for belief, if someone says repeatedly they are sending money to women, I believe them. Why wouldn't I? If someone claims they are having sex with those women, I believe them. Why wouldn't I? However, when someone makes unproven claims about their background, or their looks, I'm skeptical. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It's like this. If I'm sitting in a bar listening to some drunk and he claims he was in the Navy, I believe him. When he claims he was in the Philippines, I believe him. Lots of people have been in the Navy, lots of sailors have been in the Philippines. When he claims he was a Navy SEAL, I'm skeptical.

And don't feel like I'm singling you out. If someone tells a story that tests the limits of my gullibility, I'm probably going to question it.

Do you need to know a city to find a (subjective) 10? Didn't you find your "beauty queen" on SA? Do you feel that's relevant when someone is asking where to go to find 9's and 10's? If a guys is making a trip in a few weeks, telling him to spend a month, plus hundreds of dollars weeding out girls on SA and sending the promising ones money, doesn't seem helpful. Your method seems to be, find the girl on SA, send her money and then go to see her, or send more money and have her meet you in Mexico. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not workable for everyone.

Instead of just telling everyone to talk to you, because you have an infallible method for finding the best women, I try a different approach. I read their questions and try to give them useful advice, based upon their situation. Is my advice useful? Ask them, not me.

[QUOTE]To me, there is a simple answer, you are a narcissistic, self serving piece of shit.[/QUOTE]You could be right. Or you could be projecting. That's up to the individual reader to decide.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2539931]I vote this #1 of all time.[/QUOTE]I vote this poster #1 boot licker / suck up of all time. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2540167]I vote this poster #1 boot licker / suck up of all time. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hey man, don't you have better things to do? Like send bullshit PMs to members warning about the dangers of MDE ie I could be kidnapped for ransom etc LOL.

I guess I will have to hit ignore for you like I did with "jj".

Adios shit for brains!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2540167]I vote this poster #1 boot licker / suck up of all time. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm in agreement.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2540022]The peer review process is to determine if the study was conducted correctly and if the conclusions drawn are consistent with the methodology. Perhaps an example would help.

In 1998 Dr. Andrew Wakefield published a study in "The Lancet" showing that the Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccine caused autism in 12 children. Peer review showed that Wakefield had falsified data, altered his subjects medical history and, to cut to the chase, made the whole thing up. Eventually Wakefield lost his medical credentials and the study was revoked.

To add to that, the cool EEG headset gives a nice visual effect, something that looks good in a YouTube video. However, it's useless in quantitative analysis. An actual EEG measures and differentiates the separate types of brain activity.

Let me get this straight. You knew, that these 3 symptoms, fever, shortness of breath and a dry cough, were an indication of atrial fibrillation and not a reason to get a Covid test?[/QUOTE]Just like with Covid, Bird Brain, you wrap yourself up with the establishment and think that you are part of it. The Wakefield article was retracted decades later, and it was not an example of peer reviewing working but a failure.

The EEG comments shows you know nothing about how the EEG works or what it is good for.

And the atrial fibrillation was me calling you out on your warning everyone about the dangers of Covid while you were sick with a heart condition. WTF your A-fib had to do with Covid is and was beyond me. You just wanted to lecture on Covid. Quite frankly, this stuff bores me.

In fact, the worst of it can be summed up in one question. Your attempt at intelligence can be traced as narcissistic projection. It is like you are asking, "you know blue is a color don't you?" as if you have some great secret knowledge when you are just arrogantly stating the obvious.

Science is based on data, and you have none supporting your point of view with regards to the subjectivity of beauty. The EEG was one trial of objective beauty, and Time magazine had a cover study on beauty years ago. There are objective traits to it, and you are ignorant of them.

As to why, I can only speculate. IMO it is because you want to say that your trolls are equal to my beauty queens.

Hell, you even go there when you say the picture of the beauty queen I posted was an extraordinary event when she was the third one I bedded. What that means is that your getting a beauty queen is an extraordinary event.

Instead of figuring out what I am doing, you mischaracterize what I am saying as worthless. The real game I am playing is paying for sex (and sometimes not paying) without making the women feel like working girls. There are a helluva lot more women out there willing to sell themselves if it means escaping shame and notoriety. It is a middle ground between conventional dating and the straight whoring of cash for sex.

And it is not helpful? LOL. Well, certainly it is not to someone like you who thinks he knows it all and is a legend in his own mind. For a lot of other people, it is, and the amount of posts on seeking has gone through the roof since I started posting about it.

But then again for you, bedding a beauty queen is extraordinary. For those of us playing that long game, it is not like that at all. Maybe if you quit looking in the garbage can, you would find better than trash.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2540167]I vote this poster #1 boot licker / suck up of all time. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's pretty obvious that you don't know what a "boot licker" is.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540610]It's pretty obvious that you don't know what a "boot licker" is.[/QUOTE]Paulie has been on ignore for me because he is an obnoxious trolling bastard that wants to get in JJBee's pants. Every time his favorite fellow Democrat is in trouble, he comes rushing to his defense. He is the biggest suckup going. The most fucking stupid thing Paulie said was that New York, yes New York, did a great job with the virus. In fact, I nicknamed him New York, New York after that. You would think after the Cuomo scandal that Paulie would shut the fuck up about everything with me now, but he like JJBee is a narcissist who cannot admit he is wrong about anything.

You would think after Biden won these two Democratic dipshits would finally cop to the truth. The whole "we care more about the virus than you" shit was just a means to get rid of Trump. The data on Florida and California show without a doubt that most if not all the lockdown measures did nothing. Cuomo and his daily talks about Corona had more to do about him than public safety. All the political moves were about "doing something" more than doing anything that worked.

Biden has it now that you need a negative Covid test to come back to the USA by air but by ground, you do not need anything. Why? Anyone going to tell me that is not politically motivated?

These Democratic goons told me that the Colombian people's lives were more important than my wanting to fuck cheap Colombian working girls. They are such obnoxious assholes. Did the international travel ban in Colombia work? Fuck no! In fact, Bird Brain could not wait to get on a plane to go to Colombia. If he put his money where his mouth was, he would not have gone. Hell, he did go and got sick. Gee, I wonder what was wrong with him. It is funny how he did not want to lecture about Covid then.

Then Bird Brain says that it was talk about my ex that got me up his ass. Really? I think the talk of my putting pussy over other people's lives may have been what terminally offended me. That is classic Democratic dipshit thinking. They call you all these names and then they are like, "Gee, why are you so mad at us? Just admit you are a white supremacist, bigot, homophobe ETC and we will get along fine".

I should also include Mojo Bandit along with these two as well. I just wish the three of them would admit this was the whole "we care more about the virus than you" was a political stunt that worked. Even with all economic carnage from these policies, these three still cling to the belief that they were right and are busy projecting their moral superiority onto the world.

You can be assured that when you hold their feet to the fire on issues like "Stay under the curve", "Restricting travel is good", and "Cuomo shows real leadership", they will still argue in favor of their positions even when the evidence is completely against them.

The funniest thing of all is that the best virus data I have seen has come from the NFL. There was and has been NO transmission on the football field. What they found is that except when people are talking directly to one another in close proximity for over 5 minutes without masks, transmission does not occur outside. 75% of cases of the virus being spread are inside the home, yet there was emphasis on "staying home and staying safe" and wearing masks when outside.

I have been around hundreds of known cases of Covid and escaped it not by following the expert's rules but my own based on what I have seen and read. Keep conversations short, eat alone, avoid people who appear sick, and travel all you want. It is sad that such common sense guidelines have escaped the mainstream but then again, were the mainstream guidelines really in place to save lives or to get Trump out?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2540765]Paulie has been on ignore for me because he is an obnoxious trolling bastard that wants to get in JJBee's pants.[/QUOTE]Now Elvis has earned another new title, the Andrew Dice Clay of ISG jajajajaaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2540765]Paulie has been on ignore for me because he is an obnoxious trolling bastard that wants to get in JJBee's pants. Every time his favorite fellow Democrat is in trouble, he comes rushing to his defense. He is the biggest suckup going. The most fucking stupid thing Paulie said was that New York, yes New York, did a great job with the virus. In fact, I nicknamed him New York, New York after that. You would think after the Cuomo scandal that Paulie would shut the fuck up about everything with me now, but he like JJBee is a narcissist who cannot admit he is wrong about anything.

You would think after Biden won these two Democratic dipshits would finally cop to the truth. The whole "we care more about the virus than you" shit was just a means to get rid of Trump. The data on Florida and California show without a doubt that most if not all the lockdown measures did nothing. Cuomo and his daily talks about Corona had more to do about him than public safety. All the political moves were about "doing something" more than doing anything that worked.

Biden has it now that you need a negative Covid test to come back to the USA by air but by ground, you do not need anything. Why? Anyone going to tell me that is not politically motivated?[/QUOTE]Who cares? Donnie the Dumbass is gone.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2542752]What are the chances of a working girl in Medellin agreeing to bareback full service?[/QUOTE]Check this guys post history and proceed with caution. You are just going to end up in an endless loop of useless banter.

He was just in the Rio thread, and now he's come here to do damage.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2542810]Check this guys post history and proceed with caution. You are just going to end up in an endless loop of useless banter.

He was just in the Rio thread, and now he's come here to do damage.[/QUOTE]Every now and then when I'm glancing over the posts I get stopped in my tracks and shake my head in complete disbelief. What kind of a question is that and how does he expect it to be answered? Surely it's got to be a wind up right?

Whats the chances of any working girl in the word agreeing to BBFS? I wonder if this BM has ever left the house or been with a hooker. Even if you are to waste your time answering such a question where do you even begin, especially since there are numerous detailed reports or mongers that prefer BBFS and even ones that weren't looking for it where the girl just jumped on board.

Just by reading the el centro reports and within 30 seconds you will clearly see that everything has its price.

Stop the world I want to get off.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2544791]I call it "el metro" and they know what I mean. Of course I am pointing at it too[/QUOTE]If you're going to monger in a Latin American country, at least make an effort to respect the culture. If you can't or won't learn Spanish, download Google Translate onto your iphone. It's even got a speaker so you can punch a button and the friggin phone will say it for you. Don't be another of those pathetic, privileged, dar papaya gringos everyone loathes. Don't be that guy.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2544947]If you're going to monger in a Latin American country, at least make an effort to respect the culture. If you can't or won't learn Spanish, download Google Translate onto your iphone. It's even got a speaker so you can punch a button and the friggin phone will say it for you. Don't be another of those pathetic, privileged, dar papaya gringos everyone loathes. Don't be that guy.[/QUOTE]You really should take a step back and reexamine your attitude. You've been trying to dump shit on everyone without knowing anything about them.

As for respecting the culture, when a taxista is trying to rip me off, I'm going to pass. I do the same thing Lucky Nuts does. I point at the taxi meter and say "el metro" and I don't stop pointing until he resets it, and every time they have understood. Even if it's only a few extra dollars, I'm not going to sit there respecting the culture while some guy rips me off.

By the way, although I'm far from fluent, I've made the effort to learn both the language and the culture. I even went to the trouble to learn and play the national sport. When in Colombia I drink Colombian brands and eat Colombian food. I speak to everyone, to the extent of my ability, in their language. I also encourage others to spend some time learning the language.

If someone is throwing garbage out there, by all means feel free to jump all over them, but there's no need to trash everyone who you think isn't doing everything exactly right.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2545224]2nd this. When I started out as a noob with barely any Spanish, I was ignorant thinking my experience was better than anyone else's mongering routine without Spanish. God, what a fool I was to think this. Learning Spanish these 5 years has been worth it. Freebies, civie hotties traveling with me to other countries, and just overall better treatment from all walks of life when venturing out in any Spanish speaking country. Spanish is not required but without it, missing out big time![/QUOTE]Your preaching to the choir!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2545064]Are so offensive and inappropriate and in left field that it's really sad that you truly think that one way is the best way. Gold chains and groups of black guys are ruining Medellin, I am just wishing you come all the way out and say what's on your mind. If you're mongering and you know what you want, why does the color of a monger or his gold chains offend you? You'll never hear me complaining about the grey headed white chested European grand fatherly looking guys who come to Centro to bang 18 year old chics. Its not my business and I could care the less, but obviously some of our BMs have some serious issues with men of color who they think are American. Carry on, we see you for who you are and once it's posted you can't take it back. But carry on! If you are truly banging chics and meeting your needs, why does the size of one man's money or the group of guys traveling together bother you? One suggestion, the next time you see a group of Black men in centro who you think are from America, I think you should walk up to them and tell them personally how offended you are about them being black and Centro. Then again, we all know how that would turn out. You will see me soon in Medellin and Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Psychiatrists´ reports indicate that guys with small dicks demonstrate much bravado which on ISG translates to boasting about how many non-pros they bang and how many dangerous places they visit at night. Such mongers would also feel threatened by guys they believe have big dicks.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2545064]Are so offensive and inappropriate and in left field that it's really sad that you truly think that one way is the best way. Gold chains and groups of black guys are ruining Medellin, I am just wishing you come all the way out and say what's on your mind. If you're mongering and you know what you want, why does the color of a monger or his gold chains offend you? You'll never hear me complaining about the grey headed white chested European grand fatherly looking guys who come to Centro to bang 18 year old chics. Its not my business and I could care the less, but obviously some of our BMs have some serious issues with men of color who they think are American. Carry on, we see you for who you are and once it's posted you can't take it back. But carry on! If you are truly banging chics and meeting your needs, why does the size of one man's money or the group of guys traveling together bother you? One suggestion, the next time you see a group of Black men in centro who you think are from America, I think you should walk up to them and tell them personally how offended you are about them being black and Centro. Then again, we all know how that would turn out. You will see me soon in Medellin and Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Say what you want, but places can be ruined by knuckleheads, regardless of skin color.

There is a reason why most people stopped going to San Jose, Costa Rica (inflated chica prices combined with terrible service).

And this is the reason why most people stopped going to Sosua.

(notice the "make it rain crew" are actually throwing USD and not Dominican Pesos):

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tsDykU05Co[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545283]Psychiatrists reports indicate that guys with small dicks demonstrate much bravado which on ISG translates to boasting about how many non-pros they bang and how many dangerous places they visit at night. Such mongers would also feel threatened by guys they believe have big dicks.[/QUOTE]Ignore button.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545283]Psychiatrists reports indicate that guys with small dicks demonstrate much bravado which on ISG translates to boasting about how many non-pros they bang and how many dangerous places they visit at night. Such mongers would also feel threatened by guys they believe have big dicks.[/QUOTE]You should see what psychologists say about sociopaths and narcissists who derive sexual pleasure from berating others in online pages like ISG.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2545342]You should see what psychologists say about sociopaths and narcissists who derive sexual pleasure from berating others in online pages like ISG.[/QUOTE]Not to mention a poster trolling and berating every thread on the board not to miss a chance for some gratification.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545283]Psychiatrists reports indicate that guys with small dicks demonstrate much bravado which on ISG translates to boasting about how many non-pros they bang and how many dangerous places they visit at night. Such mongers would also feel threatened by guys they believe have big dicks.[/QUOTE]That the truth hurts, many European-like individuals deflect their insecurities of others by telling them they have small dicks, little money, and poorly educated, unfortunately, I fall into none of these categories. If you can tell that the black people who enter centro are African Americans, then you sir, are a fearful European with personally taught ways of hating others based on looks. You could never look at me and tell that I am Latino, you could never look at me and tell that I am fluent in Spanish, you could never look at me and tell that I would be in fear in any environment, but you can look at me and know, that attempting to rob me or harm me may not ever be in your best interest. And being the observant individual that I am, clearly you were born in the mid-50's to late 60's and my last post struck a nerve. In my environment, we are known to say, that a hit dog will holla! You sir were hit with my last post, it was not to offend but to remind us all as adults and humans to not be so judgmental, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2545369]That the truth hurts, many European-like individuals deflect their insecurities of others by telling them they have small dicks, little money, and poorly educated, unfortunately, I fall into none of these categories. If you can tell that the black people who enter centro are African Americans, then you sir, are a fearful European with personally taught ways of hating others based on looks. You could never look at me and tell that I am Latino, you could never look at me and tell that I am fluent in Spanish, you could never look at me and tell that I would be in fear in any environment, but you can look at me and know, that attempting to rob me or harm me may not ever be in your best interest. And being the observant individual that I am, clearly you were born in the mid-50's to late 60's and my last post struck a nerve. In my environment, we are known to say, that a hit dog will holla! You sir were hit with my last post, it was not to offend but to remind us all as adults and humans to not be so judgmental, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]That was beautifully articulated PN. It's also worth nothing that Turd has never been to Colombia. He can be found across the threads of many different countries here, but only plays cutesy, sucks up, or speaks in very general terms. He has nothing material to offer because he hasn't been to these countries. The same can be said for many others such as Shoobree and Marquis de Sade. These are basement dwelllers with Colombia on their wish list, but it will never progress beyond that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545283]Psychiatrists reports indicate that guys with small dicks demonstrate much bravado which on ISG translates to boasting about how many non-pros they bang and how many dangerous places they visit at night. Such mongers would also feel threatened by guys they believe have big dicks.[/QUOTE]When I posted this it was stupid shit directed to no one in particular but I did think that guys with small dicks will attack it. Who the cap fits?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545765]When I posted this it was stupid shit directed to no one in particular but I did think that guys with small dicks will attack it. Who the cap fits?[/QUOTE]I'll put on that hat. So why the size of another man's dick is your concern? I'm just joking with you but why are you dick analyzing and criticizing? OK I get it this is the stupid shit section.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545765]When I posted this it was stupid shit directed to no one in particular but I did think that guys with small dicks will attack it. Who the cap fits?[/QUOTE]I'm just curious why, whenever you post something, you would be thinking about the dicks of the guys who are going to read it or reply to it?

I can honestly say I've never thought about the size of another BMs dick, before, during or after posting something. I assume most of the BMs have one, but the size, shape or functionality is not something I'm going to spend my time dreaming about.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2545776]I'll put on that hat. So why the size of another man's dick is your concern? I'm just joking with you but why are you dick analyzing and criticizing? OK I get it this is the stupid shit section.[/QUOTE]It is indeed stupid shit and probably a bit insensitive on my part and do apologize for any sensibilities affected.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2557307]Areas of a city and keeping the residents of Portland prisoners in their own home, not to mention all the people they killed. With IMPUNITY I might add.[/QUOTE]Please list the slew of Portland murders from last summer while making connections to any BLM activists or Antifa. The latter are anarchists and hardly aligned with Democrats, but that's a different subject. Here's one likely case, and the alleged perp is dead, dealt with by law enforcement attempting to serve a warrant.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/909515885/protester-suspected-in-portland-shooting-death-killed-by-law-enforcement[/URL]

While we are talking about lone shooters during the summer 2020 protests don't forget this guy.

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-delayed-november-1/[/URL]

Here's a variety of incidents including other cities with theories and outcomes.

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/deaths-connected-protests-story-complicated/story?id=72724790[/URL]

Back to Portland, here's your murders for 2020,55 total, a lot of some likely gang stuff, robberies, and mysteries. Well typing "IMPUNITY" in all caps isn't impressive, and you haven't "added" anything until you've proven it. So tell us about this slew of BLM and Antifa murders in Portland last year while confirming that the perps all got away with it. You made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. So far all I see is a Trump fan who got his feelings hurt on the Medellin thread and decided to pull some whataboutism out of his ass.

[URL]https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/01/55-homicides-in-portland-in-2020-the-most-in-26-years-involved-victims-from-8-months-old-to-71.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whataboutism[/URL]

And there were plenty of arrests in Portland.

[URL]https://www.koin.com/news/protests/portland-protest-arrests-by-the-numbers-through-feb-2021/[/URL]

But yea you made the claims so bring the proof.

P.S. Speaking of impunity it's sort of hard to expect that for shit kickers in Camp Auschwitz shirts, playing soldier and carrying confederate flags, zip ties in hand breaking into and ransacking the Capital trying to stop an election certification. The same can be said for a mob of mindless dumbfucks following behind thinking they are immune because Rump told them to do it. The last time anything even close to that has happened was by foreign invaders during the War of 1812. This is a massive embarrassment that will never be forgotten. Not to mention that it was fueled by a fake cause (stolen election), unlike some fires and looting on the fringes of legit protests surrounding the police murder of an unarmed black man who continually pled for his life. And ironic, Trump going on crying about looters then at his urging his minions do far worse. Oops. Little boy playing with fire crackers and blew off a couple of his fingers. Now the spineless twot can't even have a Twitter or FB account, even though he got caught trying to sneak back in. It's literally like dealing with an eight year old kid.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2557555]And I'm sure you weren't taking exception to the supposed 10 girls he banged in one day or the foursome of which he barebacked all and blew loads in them, all of this of course just something all members typically do day in and day out! LOL.[/QUOTE]Some guys lie, its a pathology, some do it to impress strangers, some do it to delude themselves, ala Goebbels big lie.

Still others are trying to manipulate public opinion ala.

[URL]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/chukjibop-05222020173452.html[/URL]

It doesn't take a lot of skill to spot the want to be penthouse letter authors.

Just walk into any bar in the world and you'll find some loser at the bar telling tall tales.

About his fantasy life.

Are you sure that your posts were to provide information? I could be wrong, but it appears that you are writing several posts everyday because of a discontent of "real" life in your home country. Do you have good relationships, fit body, and receive attention from people?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2556776]I believe I have provided some valuable insight from my experiences there, and have actually gotten messages from other members that I am ruining the place, as more and more gringos are discovering the place. And there's some truth to it as the influx of gringos up until a month ago was because Colombia has been the only wide open mongering destination on the planet in my opinion. However, due to the current COVID surge, the protests, and the reduced police presence, El Centro right now is the most dangerous it's ever been.

A month ago it was as though the Pandemic didn't exist, there were no protests, and Police everywhere, there were tourists on tours, and more girls available then ever before. But it's been like a perfect storm with the weekend lockdowns, people up in arms over the Govenment tax proposal and other issues, very little police presence and / or enough to quell all the violence, and hence here we are in a state of Mayhem with the protesters and rateros ruling the streets.

A sad state of affairs for all.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://youtu.be/O1Fq27d_fWQ?t=99[/URL]

The white-dressed girl walking. Jailbait or not?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2557673]Some guys lie, its a pathology, some do it to impress strangers, some do it to delude themselves, ala Goebbels big lie.

Still others are trying to manipulate public opinion ala.

[URL]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/chukjibop-05222020173452.html[/URL]

It doesn't take a lot of skill to spot the want to be penthouse letter authors.

Just walk into any bar in the world and you'll find some loser at the bar telling tall tales.

About his fantasy life.[/QUOTE]FYI. Don't give two fucks if you don't like and or believe my post. I'm here to help guys out. Also, over an 9 hour period in Sante Fe, 10 x is a very doable goal.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2557683]Are you sure that your posts were to provide information? I could be wrong, but it appears that you are writing several posts everyday because of a discontent of "real" life in your home country. Do you have good relationships, fit body, and receive attention from people?[/QUOTE]WTF is wrong with you? "Do you have good relationships, fit body, and receive attention from people?" Show your medical credentials if you're going to attempt to dispense psychiatric analysis. It's pretty obvious to even the casual observer that the confluence of the new COVID restrictions and the simultaneous implementation of excessive taxes when so many are out of jobs has created a terrible situation in Medellin, as well as the rest of Colombia. Surfer is simply stating the obvious with the advantage of a "boots on the ground" perspective. Yes, we're having some problems in the US but of a much different problem- in Colombia they can't get the vaccination, in the US a substantial number of morons REFUSE to get it. In Colombia they're protesting the same kind of taxation without representation that led to our revolution; in the US we have that same number of braindead morons trying to gaslight the other 70% into believing the loser won an election. Maybe it's you that is seeking to stir up a little excitement for yourself- why don't you take a leisurely trip to Brazil and report from there?

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2557720]WTF is wrong with you? "Do you have good relationships, fit body, and receive attention from people?" Show your medical credentials if you're going to attempt to dispense psychiatric analysis. It's pretty obvious to even the casual observer that the confluence of the new COVID restrictions and the simultaneous implementation of excessive taxes when so many are out of jobs has created a terrible situation in Medellin, as well as the rest of Colombia. Surfer is simply stating the obvious with the advantage of a "boots on the ground" perspective. Yes, we're having some problems in the US but of a much different problem- in Colombia they can't get the vaccination, in the US a substantial number of morons REFUSE to get it. In Colombia they're protesting the same kind of taxation without representation that led to our revolution; in the US we have that same number of braindead morons trying to gaslight the other 70% into believing the loser won an election. Maybe it's you that is seeking to stir up a little excitement for yourself- why don't you take a leisurely trip to Brazil and report from there?[/QUOTE]The Colombians are protesting because they are not allowed "political representation"? I thought they were just raising taxes on the middle and lower class? The Colombians can no longer vote out political representatives they do not favor? The Colombian protests have been all over the news and I was just curious as to what exactly is going on? Are they are risk of turning socialist or something?

Calling those who do not want to get the vaccine morons is also just contributing to the overly divisive political culture of the USA. If someone does not want to get the shot, unfortunately that is their right. We still do not know exactly how many people may even refuse the shot, we very well may vaccinate 70-85% of the pop. And reach heard immunity. Vast majority of Republicans know trump lost, media just tries to convince everyone that every Trump voter is a q-non conspiracy wacko. Both parties are peddaling a lot trash these days and its going to be difficult for everyone to start co-operating again so next time we have a Pandemic or national emergency we can trust the media reports and politicians, unlike what happened with the "Russia Conspiracy" and "Trump Impeachment". All that did was waste time and money and showed the extreme media bias in the USA. I think the USA would have had a much more cohesive and effective response to the Pandemic if there was more trust in the Media and less divisive politics. I apologize for the off topic comment.

On another side note, seems like BlueTouch took a dirty shot at Surfer500 for no reason. Surfer gives good boots on the ground intel and I appreciate his reports. Why is this weirdo worried about another man's body, relationships, and the amount of attention he receives? Seems like a strange person. Hopefully he decides to contribute to the forum in more positive and helpful ways.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2557727]Ah no. Love or hate Duque he was elected fair and square will less shenanigans than we see in the United States. He won with 53.98 of the vote. The Leftie who was his main opponent only got 41.81 the vote. By contrast our senile idiot Biden won with 51.3% of the vote.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right, Biden did win contrary to what the Reputinlicans say.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2557683]Are you sure that your posts were to provide information? I could be wrong, but it appears that you are writing several posts everyday because of a discontent of "real" life in your home country. Do you have good relationships, fit body, and receive attention from people?[/QUOTE]That was not the meanest or stupidest comment I have read here, but possibly the most uncalled for. Did you really ask him if his body was fiit? Jajajjaja. First and foremost, it's none of your business. Did you think you were helping him go seek therapy or something? Jajajaja Or are you just practicing psychiatry without a license? Get a grip and learn about how to deal with people 101. You never attack the person, you frame the problem with non personal facts and not personal reasons. In this case, there is no problem, so you missed first and second base.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2557732]On another side note, seems like BlueTouch took a dirty shot at Surfer500 for no reason. Surfer gives good boots on the ground intel and I appreciate his reports[/QUOTE]Based on the posts, I think some BMs take the current situation in El Centro to criticize people that have encouraged members to visit El Centro in the past. It is like "You said El Centro was safe (at daytime while many police are present 3 years ago), but it is really very dangerous (now) and your recommendation is terrible".

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2557719]FYI. Don't give two fucks if you don't like and or believe my post. I'm here to help guys out. Also, over an 9 hour period in Sante Fe, 10 x is a very doable goal.[/QUOTE]The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2557732]The Colombians are protesting because they are not allowed "political representation"? I thought they were just raising taxes on the middle and lower class? The Colombians can no longer vote out political representatives they do not favor? The Colombian protests have been all over the news and I was just curious as to what exactly is going on? Are they are risk of turning socialist or something?

Calling those who do not want to get the vaccine morons is also just contributing to the overly divisive political culture of the USA. If someone does not want to get the shot, unfortunately that is their right. We still do not know exactly how many people may even refuse the shot, we very well may vaccinate 70-85% of the pop. And reach heard immunity. Vast majority of Republicans know trump lost, media just tries to convince everyone that every Trump voter is a q-non conspiracy wacko. Both parties are peddaling a lot trash these days and its going to be difficult for everyone to start co-operating again so next time we have a Pandemic or national emergency we can trust the media reports and politicians, unlike what happened with the "Russia Conspiracy" and "Trump Impeachment". All that did was waste time and money and showed the extreme media bias in the USA. I think the USA would have had a much more cohesive and effective response to the Pandemic if there was more trust in the Media and less divisive politics. I apologize for the off topic comment.

On another side note, seems like BlueTouch took a dirty shot at Surfer500 for no reason. Surfer gives good boots on the ground intel and I appreciate his reports. Why is this weirdo worried about another man's body, relationships, and the amount of attention he receives? Seems like a strange person. Hopefully he decides to contribute to the forum in more positive and helpful ways.[/QUOTE]Why is polio unheard of in the US? TB? Other diseases? [B]Because of vaccines[/B]. In a recent poll, 70% of Republicans said they weren't going to get vaccinated. If that's true, then the US will never reach herd immunity. And, yes, they are morons for not getting vaccinated. After all, most Republicans point to the vaccine as Donnie's signature achievement. And now they won't take the vaccine because they think it's unsafe? You mean trump purposely developed a bad vaccine?

In another poll, 70% of Republicans also believe that trump won the election. I suspect that they may have inadvertently polled the same people. So, no, the "vast majority" of Republicans [B]do not know[/B] that trump lost.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2557732]The Colombians are protesting because they are not allowed "political representation"? I thought they were just raising taxes on the middle and lower class? The Colombians can no longer vote out political representatives they do not favor? The Colombian protests have been all over the news and I was just curious as to what exactly is going on? Are they are risk of turning socialist or something?

Calling those who do not want to get the vaccine morons is also just contributing to the overly divisive political culture of the USA. If someone does not want to get the shot, unfortunately that is their right. We still do not know exactly how many people may even refuse the shot, we very well may vaccinate 70-85% of the pop. And reach heard immunity. Vast majority of Republicans know trump lost, media just tries to convince everyone that every Trump voter is a q-non conspiracy wacko. Both parties are peddaling a lot trash these days and its going to be difficult for everyone to start co-operating again so next time we have a Pandemic or national emergency we can trust the media reports and politicians, unlike what happened with the "Russia Conspiracy" and "Trump Impeachment". All that did was waste time and money and showed the extreme media bias in the USA. I think the USA would have had a much more cohesive and effective response to the Pandemic if there was more trust in the Media and less divisive politics. I apologize for the off topic comment.

On another side note, seems like BlueTouch took a dirty shot at Surfer500 for no reason. Surfer gives good boots on the ground intel and I appreciate his reports. Why is this weirdo worried about another man's body, relationships, and the amount of attention he receives? Seems like a strange person. Hopefully he decides to contribute to the forum in more positive and helpful ways.[/QUOTE]Antivaxxers have the right to refuse vaccines but in that case, they should be charged with second degree murder.

Dude covid is super light, if you're not old there's no point to taking the vaccine. I've had worse hangovers. My Mom had covid and she got the 1st vaccine shot last week and the vaccine was worse than when she actually had covid. It's not a political thing, plenty of people already have had it. Nobody cares if Trump says take a vaccine, or Republicans say it. Republicans just tend to be more free thinking entrepreneurs and democrats tend to be hard core following, jobless or criminals all of which have a tendency to take a vaccine because someone told them to.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2557891]Why is polio unheard of in the US? TB? Other diseases? [B]Because of vaccines[/B]. In a recent poll, 70% of Republicans said they weren't going to get vaccinated. If that's true, then the US will never reach herd immunity. And, yes, they are morons for not getting vaccinated. After all, most Republicans point to the vaccine as Donnie's signature achievement. And now they won't take the vaccine because they think it's unsafe? You mean trump purposely developed a bad vaccine?

In another poll, 70% of Republicans also believe that trump won the election. I suspect that they may have inadvertently polled the same people. So, no, the "vast majority" of Republicans [B]do not know[/B] that trump lost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558012]Dude covid is super light, if you're not old there's no point to taking the vaccine. I've had worse hangovers. My Mom had covid and she got the 1st vaccine shot last week and the vaccine was worse than when she actually had covid. It's not a political thing, plenty of people already have had it. Nobody cares if Trump says take a vaccine, or Republicans say it. Republicans just tend to be more free thinking entrepreneurs and democrats tend to be hard core following, jobless or criminals all of which have a tendency to take a vaccine because someone told them to.[/QUOTE]Free thinking is fine but becomes toxic when blended with extreme IQ deficiencies and viral social media misinformation. Or simply someone so dumb as to believe that "well my mom had Covid and it wasn't bad" makes for good data analysis and means to draw conclusions. But take heart, if you catch a bad case you can always try this.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=8s[/URL]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2557989]Everyone on the board is not in his late 50's or early 60's, there are some men who just have a high sex drive, stamina, and the ability to bang chics all day, but what do I know, I am just unseasoned ISG member, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Trying to cum to the defense of another fiction writer? LOL.

Birds of a feather! Jajajajaaaaaa.

Save your lies pn, I've heard enough of them.

Are you angry we don't believe your nonsense when you or this fool spew it.

How dare we not believe every word? Are you offended? LOL.

Ok just tell the truth you fuck 100 putas a day and pop every time.

And nobody better ever suggest you're a low rent bullshitter!

I know hundreds who have had it, including myself. I've had worse hangovers. Wasn't even in my top 10 for illnesses. So yeah sorry but in Florida almost everyone has had it and we just realized it's all a bunch of bull. But you do you, stay inside, get a vaccine. Whatever you want. I don't get a Flu vaccine and the flu is way way worse than covid for me. Nobody knows what the vaccine will do to you 10 years down the road, hopefully it'll be fine but who knows.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558028]Free thinking is fine but becomes toxic when blended with extreme IQ deficiencies and viral social media misinformation. Or simply someone so dumb as to believe that "well my mom had Covid and it wasn't bad" makes for good data analysis and means to draw conclusions. But take heart, if you catch a bad case you can always try this.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=8s[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2557769]You are absolutely right, Biden did win contrary to what the Reputinlicans say.[/QUOTE]Sure, just like Landslide Lyndon won in the Senate in 1948: [URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/how-landslide-lyndon-stole-the-senate-race-in-1948/[/URL].

And JFK won in 1960: [URL]https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/[/URL].

And then I love this one about Joe Lewis being alive and voting Democrat in 2018, seven years after he died: [URL]https://www.bigtrial.net/2020/11/smokin-joe-frazier-among-22-dead-people.html[/URL].

But thank God, we have people like you CL who are here to tell us things are fair. How do you know for a fact that the 2020 election was different than 1948,1960, and 2018. You mean after three rigged elections, two failed impeachments, fighting voter ID requirements, and thousands of complaints written about a stolen election in which none of said people were deposed in a court of law, Democrats respect the will of the people? LOL.

History will show us whether or not Biden "won" like LBJ and JFK or whether he won like Obama and Clinton. And my bet is on the former.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2558050]Trying to cum to the defense of another fiction writer? LOL.

Birds of a feather! Jajajajaaaaaa.

Save your lies pn, I've heard enough of them.

Are you angry we don't believe your nonsense when you or this fool spew it.

How dare we not believe every word? Are you offended? LOL.

Ok just tell the truth you fuck 100 putas a day and pop every time.

And nobody better ever suggest you're a low rent bullshitter![/QUOTE]Any time another monger has to name call another monger, that's the proof that you are truly offended by the adventures of others. If a man bangs 10 chics a day, so be it, if a person wants to stay in Centro, so be it. Paying more for rent does not make you a chic magnet or a pole slinger, as a matter of fact, it really speaks just the opposite. If you're older than 50 and your drive is low, just say that, but if you're not with another monger during the deed, why doubt him? Oh, main because you can't bang 10 chics a day. Come on, you don't have to put down another monger to have a presence on this board. Just fly to Medellin, grab some pesos and choose a chic or two, it's just that simple, you do not have to complicate the process or put down the next monger because your money is low just like your sex drive, Pollo Negro is out! LOL.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2557989]Everyone on the board is not in his late 50's or early 60's, there are some men who just have a high sex drive, stamina, and the ability to bang chics all day, but what do I know, I am just unseasoned ISG member, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]It is not whether you have taken many trips here, been here a long time, or post every day. It is more about telling the truth and giving correct information. Months ago you said someone showed you how to make all this money on the internet or home business or something. Then you rented a condo for 6 months or a year and furnished it. Then you were back in the states working making all this money. So many stories and most are complete BS.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558052]I know hundreds who have had it [/QUOTE]No you don't. Stop lying. Before your evidence was that "my momma had it" now you change your story.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558052]the flu is way way worse than covid for me.[/QUOTE]This isn't about you, a selfish little prick in a monger forum. It's about the people that have been overflowing the hospital systems worldwide. But in any case you'll be shown the same consideration you show others. Karma is a *****.

P.S. The vaccine wasn't rushed but made it through all the trial phases like all other vaccines. This was due to increased funding, greater availability of volunteers, plus a ten year head start on mRNA research. Do some legit research rather than buying everything the guy sitting on the next stool down at Wanda's Bar and Grill tells you. Though that's surely asking too much.

[URL]https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/were-the-covid-19-vaccines-rushed[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558078]Sure, just like Landslide Lyndon won in the Senate in 1948: [URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/how-landslide-lyndon-stole-the-senate-race-in-1948/[/URL].

And JFK won in 1960: [URL]https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/[/URL].

And then I love this one about Joe Lewis being alive and voting Democrat in 2018, seven years after he died: [URL]https://www.bigtrial.net/2020/11/smokin-joe-frazier-among-22-dead-people.html[/URL].

But thank God, we have people like you CL who are here to tell us things are fair. How do you know for a fact that the 2020 election was different than 1948,1960, and 2018. You mean after three rigged elections, two failed impeachments, fighting voter ID requirements, and thousands of complaints written about a stolen election in which none of said people were deposed in a court of law, Democrats respect the will of the people? LOL.

History will show us whether or not Biden "won" like LBJ and JFK or whether he won like Obama and Clinton. And my bet is on the former.[/QUOTE]I was just agreeing with what was said that Biden won. That's what he said didn't he? But he was also making a point about the slim margin. Ok, so how about Trump "winning" in 2016 but loosing the popular vote? Don't put words in my mouth like you named yourself after the real Elvis. You're as phoney and fake as your name. Why didn't you mention how Bush 2 "won". Supreme court's republicans crowned him but wouldn't even sign the papers.

Thank God I said what, where? Reread or have someone who knows how to read do it for you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558078]Sure, just like Landslide Lyndon won in the Senate in 1948: [URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/how-landslide-lyndon-stole-the-senate-race-in-1948/[/URL].

And JFK won in 1960: [URL]https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/[/URL].

And then I love this one about Joe Lewis being alive and voting Democrat in 2018, seven years after he died: [URL]https://www.bigtrial.net/2020/11/smokin-joe-frazier-among-22-dead-people.html[/URL].

But thank God, we have people like you CL who are here to tell us things are fair. How do you know for a fact that the 2020 election was different than 1948,1960, and 2018. You mean after three rigged elections, two failed impeachments, fighting voter ID requirements, and thousands of complaints written about a stolen election in which none of said people were deposed in a court of law, Democrats respect the will of the people? LOL.

History will show us whether or not Biden "won" like LBJ and JFK or whether he won like Obama and Clinton. And my bet is on the former.[/QUOTE]Gee, where to start.

JFK did win a closely contested election in 1960. I believe history will show that Mayor Daly probably exerted his considerable machine influence to pull Illinois into the win column for JFK and thus the presidency. So why is this so terrible? Because a damn Democrat won? Well lets take a small retrospective look. JFK went on to be one of our most loved and respected presidents. What if he had lost?

Then Richard Nixon would have been president. He later DID become president and became one of the most detested and least respected presidents who was forced to resign before being impeached by members of his own party! Sounds to me like the US was lucky JFK ascended.

OF course you are hot to show us that Joe Lewis voted in Philadelphia. Of course he did. Any idea how common the name Joe is?? Any idea how common the last name Lewis is?? I bet there were 1,000's of Joe Lewis votes all across the country and probably dozens in a large city like Philadelphia. BUT Elvis. Your article doesn't even mention Joe Lewis. Did you quote the wrong article? Or are you impaired in the reading department??

Perhaps you meant Joe Frazier? He was mentioned in the article. Let me ask you again. How many Joes are there in Philadelphia? How many Frazier's? Do you really think that name is unique? Here is a fact that was not quoted or mentioned in the article. When a person dies they are removed from the voting roles. Sure they are listed but NO longer registered. So when your article verified date of birth and last address they got the match they wanted for their BS story. But the Joe Frazier that voted was a registered voter not a ghost or corpse. Sorry, perhaps you should read higher quality sources.

Nice try dude, almost everyone in Florida has had it. Life expectancy can't go up forever we needed this as it was getting too high. The vaccines are not fda approved, they are emergency use which is not the same. You just suck up whatever you see on TV without any thought. You are the same selfish prick in a monger forum there all high and mighty LOL. If I die tomorrow so be it, I've lived an amazing life and I don't think I should stop children in young adults from living a normal life to stretch my life out further. But considering my job is traveling all over the state of Florida, and I do truly know at least 100 people who have had covid, yet to know anyone who has said it was the sickest they have ever been. The CDC told us to do the exact opposite of what works best to fight covid which is get outside. The "experts" made the situation worse. I've been going to packed bars and clubs for 8 months, nobody wearing masks, and I'm just fine. I got covid at a car dealership, I told the salesperson she didn't need to wear a mask and she thanked me. She just tested negative to get to be able to go back to work. I'm so glad I got it, big weight lifted off my shoulder. I have had worse hangovers. I realize people are dying from covid, but they are also dying from eating too much fast food, cigarettes and plenty of other things we could try to prevent. Death is part of Life.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558114]No you don't. Stop lying. Before your evidence was that "my momma had it" now you change your story.

This isn't about you, a selfish little prick in a monger forum. It's about the people that have been overflowing the hospital systems worldwide. But in any case you'll be shown the same consideration you show others. Karma is a *****.

P.S. The vaccine wasn't rushed but made it through all the trial phases like all other vaccines. This was due to increased funding, greater availability of volunteers, plus a ten year head start on mRNA research. Do some legit research rather than buying everything the guy sitting on the next stool down at Wanda's Bar and Grill tells you. Though that's surely asking too much.

[URL]https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/were-the-covid-19-vaccines-rushed[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558263]Nice try dude, almost everyone in Florida has had it. Life expectancy can't go up forever we needed this as it was getting too high. The vaccines are not fda approved, they are emergency use which is not the same. You just suck up whatever you see on TV without any thought. You are the same selfish prick in a monger forum there all high and mighty LOL. If I die tomorrow so be it, I've lived an amazing life and I don't think I should stop children in young adults from living a normal life to stretch my life out further. But considering my job is traveling all over the state of Florida, and I do truly know at least 100 people who have had covid, yet to know anyone who has said it was the sickest they have ever been. The CDC told us to do the exact opposite of what works best to fight covid which is get outside. The "experts" made the situation worse. I've been going to packed bars and clubs for 8 months, nobody wearing masks, and I'm just fine. I got covid at a car dealership, I told the salesperson she didn't need to wear a mask and she thanked me. She just tested negative to get to be able to go back to work. I'm so glad I got it, big weight lifted off my shoulder. I have had worse hangovers. I realize people are dying from covid, but they are also dying from eating too much fast food, cigarettes and plenty of other things we could try to prevent. Death is part of Life.[/QUOTE]I got it in July at Hong Kong Club in Tijuana LOL only lost taste and smell for 2 days. Also glad I got it out of the way.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2558094]Any time another monger has to name call another monger, that's the proof that you are truly offended by the adventures of others. If a man bangs 10 chics a day, so be it, if a person wants to stay in Centro, so be it. Paying more for rent does not make you a chic magnet or a pole slinger, as a matter of fact, it really speaks just the opposite. If you're older than 50 and your drive is low, just say that, but if you're not with another monger during the deed, why doubt him? Oh, main because you can't bang 10 chics a day. Come on, you don't have to put down another monger to have a presence on this board. Just fly to Medellin, grab some pesos and choose a chic or two, it's just that simple, you do not have to complicate the process or put down the next monger because your money is low just like your sex drive, Pollo Negro is out! LOL.[/QUOTE]99% of what you post is bullshit, you and "BMs" like you degrade the quality of ISG, years before I joined I looked at it briefly and read some bullshit posters like you and when I took my 1st trips they were disasters.

Because of disinformation from idiots like you, if the admin would allow me Ill post their names also, I may have wasted $20000 usd on 2 mongering trips that were really ruined by reading bullshit, now I study a thread before I take a trip, I can say most members here are pretty honest (even if I don't get along with them) except a few, yyz travel you sjobs and maybe 1 or 2 more, I think if we do nothing else here, we expose the bullshitters, bad providers of sex or information will equally ruin anyone's vacation!

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558263] I'm so glad I got it, big weight lifted off my shoulder.[/QUOTE]So this guy whines about "experts" yet is ignorant of the reality of re-infections, mutations and variants that are all the more likely and relevant while substantial portions of the population refuse vaccinations and facilitate spreads.

And no you don't know 100's of people who have had Covid, as before your only evidence was the experience of your "momma. " When it was shown how stupid it is to draw conclusions based on that, you start pulling new claims out of your ass. So given your propensity for lying, who knows if you've truly had Covid. Stupid though is well confirmed, and sadly that is something that can't be fixed.

[URL]https://www.prevention.com/health/a34893510/do-you-need-vaccine-if-you-had-covid-19-already/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558263] If I die tomorrow so be it[/QUOTE]There it is again. "I, I, I" it's all about you. You just can't help yourself. I rest my case.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2558278]I got it in July at Hong Kong Club in Tijuana LOL only lost taste and smell for 2 days. Also glad I got it out of the way.[/QUOTE]Ahh a bootlicker / co-signer and another self-obsessed soul, "I, I, I. " Yet due to the potential for re-infections, variants, along with the fact that we do not know how long antibodies will last, the pandemic response is ongoing.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558012]Dude covid is super light, if you're not old there's no point to taking the vaccine. [/QUOTE]This is the stupidest statement of the lot, as if no one has suffered and died, and people with milder cases cannot faciliate spread, and no one under 50 has died or lived but suffered long hauler symptoms. As if all reality must yield to the alleged personal experience of one dumbfuck in a monger forum and his "momma. " Lolol Classic.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/[/URL]

[URL]https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-it-means-to-be-a-coronavirus-long-hauler/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558263]Nice try dude, almost everyone in Florida has had it. I've been going to packed bars and clubs for 8 months, nobody wearing masks, and I'm just fine. I got covid at a car dealership[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2558278]I got it in July at Hong Kong Club in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]How do you guys know where you picked it up? When I was down in Florida during superbowl restaurants and bars were packed and I was the only one with a mask on. I was also the only one with a mask on the times I have been in Hong Kong as well. 9 countries including USA and Brazil with a mask on and have not gotten anything yet. I don't plan on getting a vaccination either. Hell, you still can not take your mask off anyway in most places. I am not at all against other people getting it. Most of my family and friends have gotten it. You have to live at your own comfort level.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2557891]Why is polio unheard of in the US? TB? Other diseases? [B]Because of vaccines[/B]. In a recent poll, 70% of Republicans said they weren't going to get vaccinated. If that's true, then the US will never reach herd immunity. And, yes, they are morons for not getting vaccinated. After all, most Republicans point to the vaccine as Donnie's signature achievement. And now they won't take the vaccine because they think it's unsafe? You mean trump purposely developed a bad vaccine?

In another poll, 70% of Republicans also believe that trump won the election. I suspect that they may have inadvertently polled the same people. So, no, the "vast majority" of Republicans [B]do not know[/B] that trump lost.[/QUOTE]And reflective of a nation that makes the lack of education a virtue, especially in the bible belt.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558078]Sure, just like Landslide Lyndon won in the Senate in 1948: [URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/how-landslide-lyndon-stole-the-senate-race-in-1948/[/URL].

And JFK won in 1960: [URL]https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/[/URL].

And then I love this one about Joe Lewis being alive and voting Democrat in 2018, seven years after he died: [URL]https://www.bigtrial.net/2020/11/smokin-joe-frazier-among-22-dead-people.html[/URL].

But thank God, we have people like you CL who are here to tell us things are fair. How do you know for a fact that the 2020 election was different than 1948,1960, and 2018. You mean after three rigged elections, two failed impeachments, fighting voter ID requirements, and thousands of complaints written about a stolen election in which none of said people were deposed in a court of law, Democrats respect the will of the people? LOL.

History will show us whether or not Biden "won" like LBJ and JFK or whether he won like Obama and Clinton. And my bet is on the former.[/QUOTE]Thems sure are some fine sources there bubba, couple of kooky blogs pontificating without source citations. And the World Tribune? Yiiipppee bro you outdid yourself. My only question would be, where does Bulgaria fit into all of this?

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2558263]The vaccines are not fda approved, they are emergency use which is not the same.[/QUOTE]Is that why you can not sue over adverse effects or death? The other day my mom was saying that if she dies from the vaccine then just get the money from the company. I said mom the US government said sometime last year that you are taking it at your own risk and can not sue the companies if something happens to you.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2558094]Any time another monger has to name call another monger, that's the proof that you are truly offended by the adventures of others. If a man bangs 10 chics a day, so be it, if a person wants to stay in Centro, so be it. Paying more for rent does not make you a chic magnet or a pole slinger, as a matter of fact, it really speaks just the opposite. If you're older than 50 and your drive is low, just say that, but if you're not with another monger during the deed, why doubt him? Oh, main because you can't bang 10 chics a day. Come on, you don't have to put down another monger to have a presence on this board. Just fly to Medellin, grab some pesos and choose a chic or two, it's just that simple, you do not have to complicate the process or put down the next monger because your money is low just like your sex drive, Pollo Negro is out! LOL.[/QUOTE]It is not just about the BS of having sex with 10 girls. Most high end hotels do not let in any hooker types or girls not signed in when checking in. Yet he got 10 hookers into the hotel. BS. Do not care that they all looked innocent and dressed simply or high end and that he is a diamond member or knows the hotel owner. New members take it as the truth and then when they try their night is ruined because they paid a ton of money at Gustos or whatever and now can not get the girls to their room. That is the problem.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2558400]It is not just about the BS of having sex with 10 girls. Most high end hotels do not let in any hooker types or girls not signed in when checking in. Yet he got 10 hookers into the hotel. BS. Do not care that they all looked innocent and dressed simply or high end and that he is a diamond member or knows the hotel owner. New members take it as the truth and then when they try their night is ruined because they paid a ton of money at Gustos or whatever and now can not get the girls to their room. That is the problem.[/QUOTE]That's what is known as the learning curve. If a new member skips over all the advice, all the information, readily available on the board and decides one anecdote, in one post, is the way things work, then they learn an important lesson.

Most high end hotels don't let in hookers, but I've seen pics from just about every high end hotel in Medellin, taken by hookers. There's always going to be exceptions.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2558400]It is not just about the BS of having sex with 10 girls. Most high end hotels do not let in any hooker types or girls not signed in when checking in. Yet he got 10 hookers into the hotel. BS. Do not care that they all looked innocent and dressed simply or high end and that he is a diamond member or knows the hotel owner. New members take it as the truth and then when they try their night is ruined because they paid a ton of money at Gustos or whatever and now can not get the girls to their room. That is the problem.[/QUOTE]I have yet to find a problem in Medellin that my money couldn't fix. Thats the truth, period, these people will turn a blind eye to Jedi screwing a monkey if the right incentive was given, so save it. I have yet to go anywhere in Medellin and not accomplish what I sat out to do, but then again to the older European guys on that fixed income, I'm still lying. Like I said before, it your drive is down, and you're over 50, they have alternatives that will make you function like you are 18 years old again! Save it buddy, Pollo negro is out!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558355]Thems sure are some fine sources there bubba, couple of kooky blogs pontificating without source citations. And the World Tribune? Yiiipppee bro you outdid yourself. My only question would be, where does Bulgaria fit into all of this?

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/[/URL][/QUOTE]Sigh. [URL]https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-274149-flawed-reasoning-in-lsat-logical-reasoning-questions-source-arguments/[/URL]#text=A%20 common%20 mistake%20 found%20 in, Reasoning%20 questions%20 is%20 Source%20 Argument. &text=An%20 author%20 doesn't%20 do, their%20 attack%20 is%20 essentially%20 irrelevant.

A common mistake found in several Flaw in the Reasoning questions is Source Argument. It is one that should be familiar to most test takers from their daily experiences. A "Source Argument" is also known as an ad hominem attack, meaning "to the person". It commits a singular, consistent mistake by attacking the person / group making a claim (the source) as opposed to attacking the details of the claim itself. The LSAT is concerned solely with argument forms and their validity. An author doesn't do anything to undermine an opponent's position by focusing on the character or motives of the argument's source. By failing to address the argument itself, their attack is essentially irrelevant.

This is why you are such an arrogant blowhard, Paulie, and you are such a twat, you engage in illogical behavior and think you are so smart. Congrats though, you are only one of many arrogant democratic douches here who have to bring politics and your insistence on your warped version of reality to a hooker board.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2558296]99% of what you post is bullshit, you and "BMs" like you degrade the quality of ISG, years before I joined I looked at it briefly and read some bullshit posters like you and when I took my 1st trips they were disasters.

Because of disinformation from idiots like you, if the admin would allow me Ill post their names also, I may have wasted $20000 usd on 2 mongering trips that were really ruined by reading bullshit, now I study a thread before I take a trip, I can say most members here are pretty honest (even if I don't get along with them) except a few, yyz travel you sjobs and maybe 1 or 2 more, I think if we do nothing else here, we expose the bullshitters, bad providers of sex or information will equally ruin anyone's vacation![/QUOTE]You don't have $20 K usd, and if you spent $20 k usd on mongering you are truly the Fool that I think you are! Carry on, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2558543]You don't have $20 K usd, and if you spent $20 k usd on mongering you are truly the Fool that I think you are! Carry on, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Well, anyone that engages your dumbass and your incoherent ramblings, is a fool.

Ignore button for you!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2558595]Well, anyone that engages your dumbass and your incoherent ramblings, is a fool.

Ignore button for you![/QUOTE]I would call the guy that I would like to be a dumbass and incoherent, you have not been to Medellin, you don't know anything of Medellin and you enjoy trolling others simply because that disability check and SSI doesn't provide you the opportunity to travel like you dream of daily. Good luck though, maybe you'll get some action in yourself and stop verbally wrestling with other BMs who actually travel and who actually have a presence in Medellin. Pollo Negro is Out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2558094]Any time another monger has to name call another monger, that's the proof that you are truly offended by the adventures of others. If a man bangs 10 chics a day, so be it, if a person wants to stay in Centro, so be it. Paying more for rent does not make you a chic magnet or a pole slinger, as a matter of fact, it really speaks just the opposite. If you're older than 50 and your drive is low, just say that, but if you're not with another monger during the deed, why doubt him? Oh, main because you can't bang 10 chics a day. Come on, you don't have to put down another monger to have a presence on this board. Just fly to Medellin, grab some pesos and choose a chic or two, it's just that simple, you do not have to complicate the process or put down the next monger because your money is low just like your sex drive, Pollo Negro is out! LOL.[/QUOTE]Older dude, retirement age, getting by on social security, pot belly, bald, out-of-shape, bad teeth but dentures help. Didn't get laid enough in high-schood, did not know how to treat women then and still doesn't. Only difference, he discovered how to monger on a budget here and other developing areas of the world, and suddenly now he's an expert solely based on the experiences he has paying for sex. That's okay because this a a Web site about that subject. Put him in a social situation back in the states where he can't pay for play and he would strike-out, strike-out, and strike-out again.

I agree with your sentiment that if a guy goes to the trouble of posting something negative about the way another guy here rolls, most of the time it comes from an insecure need for self-vaildation. What other reason is there? Heck, I have half the frequent fliers here on my Ignore List. Not saying they are all bad dudes but the energy it takes to read their posts is not worth the information gained, overall. So the ony time I get exposed to their tripe is when a super-normal guy like you responds and their original post is included, jajaja.

My dad used to say, "What do you call an asshole when he turns 70?" Answer: An old asshole, jjajaa. There is no substitute for the experience of time, but just because a guy has put in the time and has hundreds or thousand of posts here doesn't exclude that he is just reinforcing ass-hole behaviors. I have learned so much from the good guys here and at the same time my Ingore List continues to expand. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2558296]99% of what you post is bullshit, you and "BMs" like you degrade the quality of ISG, years before I joined I looked at it briefly and read some bullshit posters like you and when I took my 1st trips they were disasters.

Because of disinformation from idiots like you, if the admin would allow me Ill post their names also, I may have wasted $20000 usd on 2 mongering trips that were really ruined by reading bullshit, now I study a thread before I take a trip, I can say most members here are pretty honest (even if I don't get along with them) except a few, yyz travel you sjobs and maybe 1 or 2 more, I think if we do nothing else here, we expose the bullshitters, bad providers of sex or information will equally ruin anyone's vacation![/QUOTE]I'm all for admitting your mistakes, so others can learn from them, but I probably would have kept that one to myself.

Let's see if I got this right. You followed bullshit advice and ended up blowing $10 k on a mongering trip and then you followed bullshit advice and blew another $10 k on another mongering trip? Did you want to make sure you were following the bullshit advice correctly?

I've discussed it before. I followed the wrong advice on my first mongering trip. I ignored all the advice and decided I knew best. It only took me 12 hours to realize my mistake. And by taking the other advice, I extended my stay by 2 days, paid $200 to change my return flight and still came in $300 under budget.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2558719]Older dude, retirement age, getting by on social security, pot belly, bald, out-of-shape, bad teeth but dentures help. Didn't get laid enough in high-schood, did not know how to treat women then and still doesn't. Only difference, he discovered how to monger on a budget here and other developing areas of the world, and suddenly now he's an expert solely based on the experiences he has paying for sex. That's okay because this a a Web site about that subject. Put him in a social situation back in the states where he can't pay for play and he would strike-out, strike-out, and strike-out again.

I agree with your sentiment that if a guy goes to the trouble of posting something negative about the way another guy here rolls, most of the time it comes from an insecure need for self-vaildation. What other reason is there? Heck, I have half the frequent fliers here on my Ignore List. Not saying they are all bad dudes but the energy it takes to read their posts is not worth the information gained, overall. So the ony time I get exposed to their tripe is when a super-normal guy like you responds and their original post is included, jajaja.

My dad used to say, "What do you call an asshole when he turns 70?" Answer: An old asshole, jjajaa. There is no substitute for the experience of time, but just because a guy has put in the time and has hundreds or thousand of posts here doesn't exclude that he is just reinforcing ass-hole behaviors. I have learned so much from the good guys here and at the same time my Ingore List continues to expand. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]OMG you had the energy to take his dick out of your mouth, to write this! LOL.

Yeah you're another bullshitter on here that writes puta romance novels, did I strike a nerve? Liars don't like.

The truth!! But liars love other liars!! Your worthless drivel wastes more bandwidth on ISG than anyone's.

Please, just don't post any fotos of you two 69 ing!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2558096]It is not whether you have taken many trips here, been here a long time, or post every day. It is more about telling the truth and giving correct information. Months ago you said someone showed you how to make all this money on the internet or home business or something. Then you rented a condo for 6 months or a year and furnished it. Then you were back in the states working making all this money. So many stories and most are complete BS.[/QUOTE]I have been a Member on this board since 2005 and have got a lot of good info from others on here.

The Pollo guys stories have never seemed legit to me either. I call BS!

Well-said, and accurate description.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2558719]Older dude, retirement age, getting by on social security, pot belly, bald, out-of-shape, bad teeth but dentures help. Didn't get laid enough in high-schood, did not know how to treat women then and still doesn't. Only difference, he discovered how to monger on a budget here and other developing areas of the world, and suddenly now he's an expert solely based on the experiences he has paying for sex. That's okay because this a a Web site about that subject. Put him in a social situation back in the states where he can't pay for play and he would strike-out, strike-out, and strike-out again.

I agree with your sentiment that if a guy goes to the trouble of posting something negative about the way another guy here rolls, most of the time it comes from an insecure need for self-vaildation. What other reason is there? Heck, I have half the frequent fliers here on my Ignore List. Not saying they are all bad dudes but the energy it takes to read their posts is not worth the information gained, overall. So the ony time I get exposed to their tripe is when a super-normal guy like you responds and their original post is included, jajaja.

My dad used to say, "What do you call an asshole when he turns 70?" Answer: An old asshole, jjajaa. There is no substitute for the experience of time, but just because a guy has put in the time and has hundreds or thousand of posts here doesn't exclude that he is just reinforcing ass-hole behaviors. I have learned so much from the good guys here and at the same time my Ingore List continues to expand. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2558858]I have been a Member on this board since 2005 and have got a lot of good info from others on here.

The Pollo guys stories have never seemed legit to me either. I call BS![/QUOTE]This guy, Loveit69, has met me, as well as other Mongers who were with me at the time that we met. He can tell you that I am much younger than him and younger than many on this board. He can tell you that I don't have to hide when I am in Centro. Why in the world would I have to fabricate a story to impress older European guys with less cash flow than myself? Make it make sense? I am younger, wealthier, nothing to hide, and you think my stories are BS? If I was older, around all of this young poon poon and everything that I was taught to believe about minorities happen to blow up right in my face, I would have to react the way that the self imposed kings of the world react when they are wrong. I would call Pollo a liar, I would say Pollo was fake, but did ILoveit69 tell you he was hiding in the bushes watching me and other mongers talk in English before he would approach us? Fact is, when you're broke, unworthy and do not meet the social norms, you run and hide the way that this guy did. But carry on, I fully understand what you feel like when you believe one thing and reality is another, this is my line of work and what I really get paid for, that mental health and instability is a beast! Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2558924]Well-said, and accurate description.[/QUOTE]Well you agree? Really? This turd is a douchebag, what does that say about you?

I see ISG kinda like a bar, the admin is the bartender, if I was running this place I would throw both of you out, hes not describing me, but he might be describing a good portion of the board with his blanket insults, not unlike PN with his racist comments about European men.

Both have diarrhea of the mouth and the keyboard and should get cut off!!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2558896]
[b]Spanish [/b] - I have had a lot of folks ask me about best phrases. Sure, there are some phrases you could learn in Columbian slang, but just go and download DuoLingo, and give yourself 30 minutes a day of practice. For you guys in Columbia already, use your phone for a translator, [/QUOTE]
Lots of useful information provided. Appreciated. I suggest you link it in the RoD.
But you spent such a long time in Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena, and still did not learn that it they are not near Washington DC?? Please...!
First word to learn is Colombia. No need of a translator. When I travel to USA I am not welcome to write HUSTON, TX.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2559073]Lots of useful information provided. Appreciated. I suggest you link it in the RoD.
But you spent such a long time in Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena, and still did not learn that it they are not near Washington DC?? Please...!
First word to learn is Colombia. No need of a translator. When I travel to USA I am not welcome to write HUSTON, TX.[/QUOTE]I wish the admin had not deleted part of my post, it would be a perfect reply to this. You are correct, there are some typos in my post. I will make an extra active effort to make sure that I type Colombia from now on.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2559073]Lots of useful information provided. Appreciated. I suggest you link it in the RoD.
But you spent such a long time in Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena, and still did not learn that it they are not near Washington DC?? Please...!
First word to learn is Colombia. No need of a translator. When I travel to USA I am not welcome to write HUSTON, TX.[/QUOTE]Huston Texas. Jaja good one. Years back when I first started researching Colombia I spelled it with a you and I was quickly corrected by a senior member on CH. Get the tee shirt.

'Colombia with an-O' jaja.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2559114]Huston Texas. Jaja good one. Years back when I first started researching Colombia I spelled it with a you and I was quickly corrected by a senior member on CH. Get the tee shirt.

'Colombia with an-O' jaja.[/QUOTE]You know how you know when somebody is from the UK? They say "Huston", "Los Angeleez", and "Alabamer" LOL! By the way, don't know why the auto-correct capitalizes "LOS". Not every use of it is about Thailand and the Land of Smiles.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2559114]Huston Texas. Jaja good one. Years back when I first started researching Colombia I spelled it with a you and I was quickly corrected by a senior member on CH. Get the tee shirt.
'Colombia with an-O' jaja.[/QUOTE]I shot the photo of the hat at a shop of BOG airport, if I remember well. When I saw that hat, I immediately understood it was necessary to take a pic, as I would have felt the need to post it on ISG for the years to come.

PS: I have also used Google Maps to search where the hell was Parque "Poblano", if I missed it all these years.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2558896]Hey folks, lots of questions / PMs since [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2557406&viewfull=1#post2557406]my last detailed report[/URL]so I thought I would share them with the group.
[LIST]
[b]Spanish [/b] - I have had a lot of folks ask me about best phrases. Sure, there are some phrases you could learn in Columbian slang, but just go and download DuoLingo, and give yourself 30 minutes a day of practice. For you guys in Columbia already, use your phone for a translator, but instead of showing it to the girl attempt to read it EVERY DAMN TIME, and yes, you will have horrid pronunciation at first. Yes, I know, it will be annoying, but they will help you, the girls actually think it's cute when a gringo tries to learn Spanish. Never copy and paste, use the translator, and then retype. Watch some movies you already know with Spanish audio... just get used to using it, and saying basic things to people in Spanish... you will be speaking Spanish in 4-5 weeks if you do this. Hit up amazing and buy some kid's workbooks - seriously, once your get over the learning curve with the genders and the tenses, it's not that difficult. [/LIST][/QUOTE]With all of this knowledge on Colombia I would have thought he could have least spelled the name of the country correctly, just saying.

Anyhow the other day I couldn't find Sexy Fantasias inside Caracas Mall thingy. The description on the world traveller map says "On the second floor, across from the gym on the 2nd floor you will see a gate and a staircase, go up" so this is assuming you are already on the second floor? There was no way up to the second floor, there was a staircase that led to a barbers and another staircase with a shutter and then another with a gate, was that it? Can someone provide some more instruction, thanks. I sent them a what's app asking if they were operating and they said they were so I guess its still up and running but they did not seem to willing to help me find it.

My second choice was closed Club Paris, went by this twice on two separate afternoons, no bell no sign nothing. The door was locked shut. Went to club Amigas de sexy on 45, there also seems to be another listing on 58? Amigas on 45, friendly place but they only showed around 3-4 girls and they didn't look too great, one did but she was a bit miserable. I left, no charge for the presentation. Went back to my usual Dulce see, another awesome session.

Any more recommendations for casas?

Some people were asking about renting fincas outside of Medellin, I did it and it was fun but a lot of the towns are closed, meaning the airbnbs will not accept bookings or your booking could be cancelled due to covid measures or you may not be able to get a hotel.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559145]With all of this knowledge on Colombia I would have thought he could have least spelled the name of the country correctly, just saying.[/QUOTE]You are right, all of my advice should be ignored here due to typos. P.S. - the user's name is World Travel 69, not "world traveller" with two lls. Also, as long as we are at it: well when you ask a question, you should use a " not "thanks." I could keep going calling out spelling and grammar errors, but I proved my point. See how irritating it is when someone is a jerk about spelling and grammar on this site instead of just sharing advice in a kind way about fucking chicas? Guys. Seriously, it was a typo, get over it. The joke is done. All you will get by continuing this is discouraging people who want to actively contribute to this community by seeing how you treat contributors.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2558983]Did you forget you were in Colombia and not Hyde Park?

This is the new bread of mongers on the scene: walking around Colombia with Beats by Dre headphones on while checking sports scores on their Apple Watch. Smdh.[/QUOTE]Check the original report and the guy never said he was wearing the headphones. And in fact he just confirmed that he wasn't, that they were in his pocket with his phone. But that's how misinformation spreads. One person misreads a report then others pile on based on the information. Basic reading comprehension skills are a valuable asset indeed. Wink.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2559039]Well you agree? Really? This turd is a douchebag, what does that say about you?

I see ISG kinda like a bar, the admin is the bartender, if I was running this place I would throw both of you out, hes not describing me, but he might be describing a good portion of the board with his blanket insults, not unlike PN with his racist comments about European men.

Both have diarrhea of the mouth and the keyboard and should get cut off!![/QUOTE]Oddly enough, I have lived here in Medellin for about a year and a half and I find the PolloNegro and Osteoknot posts infinitely more useful to new members than yours. Their comments have the unmistakable.

Note of authenticity. Clearly both have spent a lot of time here. I can't say the same for anything you've written.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2559091]I wasn't wearing the headphones. They were in my pocket and got them when they searched me. I don't mind being called stupid. And I guess I was for having my cell phone and wallet on me, as well for not calling a cab. But I saw these kids walking towards me and they didn't give off any vibe until they went into robber mode. They just got lucky to catch me walking during a break in traffic and took advantage.

As others have said, I only post to give you guys a heads up to keep your head on a swivel because things do seem a little crazier here around here on this trip. My girls are telling me to avoid centro at all costs for example.

But I think if you take cabs anytime you leave well populated areas, you should be fine. Still love this place and will be coming back.[/QUOTE]They recently killed an American investor.

Check the news.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559021]but did ILoveit69 tell you he was hiding in the bushes watching me and other mongers talk in English before he would approach us? Fact is, when you're broke, unworthy and do not meet the social norms, you run and hide the way that this guy did. [/QUOTE]Priceless.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2559155]You are right, all of my advice should be ignored here due to typos. P.S. - the user's name is World Travel 69, not "world traveller" with two lls. Also, as long as we are at it: well when you ask a question, you should use a " not "thanks." I could keep going calling out spelling and grammar errors, but I proved my point. See how irritating it is when someone is a jerk about spelling and grammar on this site instead of just sharing advice in a kind way about fucking chicas? Guys. Seriously, it was a typo, get over it. The joke is done. All you will get by continuing this is discouraging people who want to actively contribute to this community by seeing how you treat contributors.[/QUOTE]I don't think you proved anything. I frequently type up quick points on my mobile while I'm on the move just to get the info out there, but at the very least I am going to get the country right that I am supposedly talking about. You can have the last word if you like. I'm out.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2559039] if I was running this place I would throw both of you out. PN with his racist comments about European men.
Both have diarrhea of the mouth and the keyboard and should get cut off!![/QUOTE]Dear Mr MarquisdeSade, the reality is this, you are a narcissist who has a personality disorder. The admin is like a bartender, or a bar owner, he has set the rules of the establishment. You are the first one to engage in disagreeing with other board members then the first thing you want to do is advise the admin to throw out certain board members. This is why this is called the stupid shit thread. You are offended by the term European looking males, but how do you think men of color feel when you and others have the audacity to type that black males with big gold chains feel? If that statement isn't racist, I wouldn't know how to describe racism.

Your narcissistic personality speaks volumes for every word that you type and place in this forum. Allow me to inform you of what statistics say about people like you. Narcissistic people with personality disorder has a prevalence of around 2% among the general population. Meaning that there are not many people like you, although you do exist. Furthermore the literature goes on to say, "There is also a high prevalence among the mothers of these people! Please Mr MarquisdeSade do not shoot the messenger. Scientist and theorist say, people who are narcissist with personality disorders tend to suffer from complications which include major depressive episodes, psychotic episodes, sexual disorders, as well as self-harm. Those in academia say people who are narcissist with personality disorders, cannot maintain a social relationship because they cannot recognize the boundary between their own Self and that of others. The reasons that people who are narcissist with personality disorders are not able to maintain meaningful relationships with others are: fear of abandonment, intense unstable relationships, disturbed sense of identity, impulsivity, self-destructive or suicidal behaviour, affective instability, chronic feeling of emptiness, intense anger, psychotic and dissociative symptoms.

I usually charge a healthy coin to deliver this kind of consultation, but because you are such a special guy, I decided to provide this consultation free of service. Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559021]This guy, Loveit69, has met me, as well as other Mongers who were with me at the time that we met. He can tell you that I am much younger than him and younger than many on this board. He can tell you that I don't have to hide when I am in Centro. Why in the world would I have to fabricate a story to impress older European guys with less cash flow than myself? Make it make sense? I am younger, wealthier, nothing to hide, and you think my stories are BS? If I was older, around all of this young poon poon and everything that I was taught to believe about minorities happen to blow up right in my face, I would have to react the way that the self imposed kings of the world react when they are wrong. I would call Pollo a liar, I would say Pollo was fake, but did ILoveit69 tell you he was hiding in the bushes watching me and other mongers talk in English before he would approach us? Fact is, when you're broke, unworthy and do not meet the social norms, you run and hide the way that this guy did. But carry on, I fully understand what you feel like when you believe one thing and reality is another, this is my line of work and what I really get paid for, that mental health and instability is a beast! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]We never met. The last few months I have been here. The last few months you have been in the States (unless you are lying again). So that means we met last year in which I left October 28,2020. I only remember talking to one guy. I was sitting in a chair at Botero when he spoke to me. He saw me again and talked to me at a street BBQ. I told him he was was full of crap because things he said did not match what I saw him do. He was a cracker like me but not as good. I would rate him a Saltine. Myself more a Ritz or Triscuit. But please do not call me cracker. It always makes me hungry and of all things for "Crackers" and they suck here!

The only foreigner I kinda sorta approached was TallMan but he was busy on his phone. Never have I approached any foreigner. I had a foreigner approach me last month saying he was leaving tomorrow for Bucaramanga. But 2 days later he saw me and said Hello. Just met him and he was a liar (decided to stay longer or some other BS) so I walked off.

My hotel was near San Antonio station so you have no idea how good or bad my hotel was so no idea rich or poor. I never tell anyone how much or how little I have saved or make. Why would I do that. Never been big as a fancy dresser but especially here so you can not gauge my money by that. Nobody cares if you are rich or not. Your rich and my rich and little Johny's definition of rich are all different. Odd you always have to brag about yourself in some form or fashion. All I do know is that I am here and you are not which tells me something.

Why on earth would I be scared to talk to foreigners? I was in Cucuta for 2 months, Bogota 1 month, Barranquilla nearly 3 months, and Medellin total of 7 months. About ready to go check out 2-3 other smaller cities. I speak no Spanish but have no need or want to chat with foreigners.

This trip a girl from my last trip who wanted me to go with me but I did not want. She called over a gringo. We chatted a bit. Then he brought others to introduce them to me. The only time I ever talked to foreigners and regret it! Talked to that large group for a month. Learned nothing. Can not remember much that was talked about. My advice was ignored and then many times soon proved correct. I do not talk to any of them now. Here are some examples why. Guy A got into an argument with me within 5 minutes chatting that there were no flights back to USA during the country lock down but there were humanitarian flights every month. Guy be was a cock blocker who always tried to play interpreter when he saw me with a girl. Guy see ran up to the girl who was following me to my hotel and told her he would pay more (failed by the way). Guy the said I complained about everything so I said give me an example and he used a restaurant he showed us. I asked what specifically did I complain about (food, location, atmosphere). He could not answer. Then I told him I had been there 5 times and showed another guy that place. Guy E said one of his bucket list items was to sex a set of twins. I showed him the pictures of what the twins sent me from the guy who shared on this site. They wanted 250,000 each for an hour with condom. I asked for 1.5 hours but she wanted the full 2 hours. Roughly $140 for both girls for 1 hour and it was too much for him. Wow! $140 too much to sex his first pair of twins on his bucket list. Guy F I was told by one of the girls is bad to the girls so many will not go with him. She told me because I laughed how he spent 10-15 minutes trying to get a girl and walked off. I had her in 3 minutes. She told me why because she knows I do not converse with any of those guys. 3 of these guys never change their clothes. Unreal! I could go on forever.

I met a member here in Bogota last year. He text me on Whatsapp and I said when you visit Botero we can walk around. Two weeks later I told him "Liar liar pants on fire" through Whatsapp. He came to Botero once but met another member. I do not care. But it shows how people talk but it is just that TALK.

Months ago guys were arguing about a girl with green hair and then blue hair. I shared that our first meeting was great but our second meeting I walked out on her at the love hotel. But I still recommended her. Saw her a few weeks ago. She went with me. Things were a little off but no problems. She told me that a guy on ISG told her that I had posted her picture on the site (maybe it was you). I explained I do not have her picture and would not do that. Obviously she believed me or she would not have gone with me. Her hair is now shoulder length straight and she has lost a little weight. She looks great.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559277]We never met. The last few months I have been here. The last few months you have been in the States (unless you are lying again). So that means we met last year in which I left October 28,2020. I only remember talking to one guy. I was sitting in a chair at Botero when he spoke to me. He saw me again and talked to me at a street BBQ. I told him he was was full of crap because things he said did not match what I saw him do. He was a cracker like me but not as good. I would rate him a Saltine. Myself more a Ritz or Triscuit. But please do not call me cracker. It always makes me hungry and of all things for "Crackers" and they suck here!

The only foreigner I kinda sorta approached was TallMan but he was busy on his phone. Never have I approached any foreigner. I had a foreigner approach me last month saying he was leaving tomorrow for Bucaramanga. But 2 days later he saw me and said Hello. Just met him and he was a liar (decided to stay longer or some other BS) so I walked off.

My hotel was near San Antonio station so you have no idea how good or bad my hotel was so no idea rich or poor. I never tell anyone how much or how little I have saved or make. Why would I do that. Never been big as a fancy dresser but especially here so you can not gauge my money by that. Nobody cares if you are rich or not. Your rich and my rich and little Johny's definition of rich are all different. Odd you always have to brag about yourself in some form or fashion. All I do know is that I am here and you are not which tells me something.

Why on earth would I be scared to talk to foreigners? I was in Cucuta for 2 months, Bogota 1 month, Barranquilla nearly 3 months, and Medellin total of 7 months. About ready to go check out 2-3 other smaller cities. I speak no Spanish but have no need or want to chat with foreigners..[/QUOTE]A lie doesn't care who tells it, just in case you didn't read my last post, you too, also fall into that category of narcissis with personality disorder. When I can only do bad things but you claim to have never met me, it is funny that I didn't even mention Tall Man, but once again, you seem to get the person I was with right, carry on liar, like I said, that fear of abandonment has you afraid to be yourself, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559432]A lie doesn't care who tells it, just in case you didn't read my last post, you too, also fall into that category of narcissis with personality disorder. When I can only do bad things but you claim to have never met me, it is funny that I didn't even mention Tall Man, but once again, you seem to get the person I was with right, carry on liar, like I said, that fear of abandonment has you afraid to be yourself, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Tall Man. Tell the truth. Have we ever met?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559277]We never met. The last few months I have been here. The last few months you have been in the States (unless you are lying again). So that means we met last year in which I left October 28,2020. I only remember talking to one guy. I was sitting in a chair at Botero when he spoke to me. He saw me again and talked to me at a street BBQ. I told him he was was full of crap because things he said did not match what I saw him do. He was a cracker like me but not as good. I would rate him a Saltine. Myself more a Ritz or Triscuit. But please do not call me cracker. It always makes me hungry and of all things for "Crackers" and they suck here!

The only foreigner I kinda sorta approached was TallMan but he was busy on his phone. Never have I approached any foreigner. I had a foreigner approach me last month saying he was leaving tomorrow for Bucaramanga. But 2 days later he saw me and said Hello. Just met him and he was a liar (decided to stay longer or some other BS) so I walked off.

My hotel was near San Antonio station so you have no idea how good or bad my hotel was so no idea rich or poor. I never tell anyone how much or how little I have saved or make. Why would I do that. Never been big as a fancy dresser but especially here so you can not gauge my money by that. Nobody cares if you are rich or not. Your rich and my rich and little Johny's definition of rich are all different. Odd you always have to brag about yourself in some form or fashion. All I do know is that I am here and you are not which tells me something.

Why on earth would I be scared to talk to foreigners? I was in Cucuta for 2 months, Bogota 1 month, Barranquilla nearly 3 months, and Medellin total of 7 months. About ready to go check out 2-3 other smaller cities. I speak no Spanish but have no need or want to chat with foreigners.[/QUOTE]I have no real interest in this current pissing contest, but you've got me confused. For someone who's only talked to one foreigner, you sure do list a lot of foreigners that you've talked to.

One bit of advice for everyone. You can't prove anything by writing about it. When it's all done it's just words.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2464738] on 07 08 2020 you said---

I see the out every day regular groups of girls, and surely the weekend only types, and only here once or twice to buy a birthday present or special needs girls. Only been here 4 days and see no head person running the show. So either that person is gone or it was BS. Pollonegro, if this guy running the girls is still there be sure to PM me. Then I will give you my Whatsapp. You text me and I will come running just to see this in action. You do not even have to meet me. Just send a picture of the guy and tell me where he normally can be found. I should be able to tell by the picture.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559277] Then you say---We never met. The last few months I have been here. The last few months you have been in the States (unless you are lying again). So that means we met last year in which I left October 28,2020. I only remember talking to one guy. I was sitting in a chair at Botero when he spoke to me. He saw me again and talked to me at a street BBQ. I told him he was was full of crap because things he said did not match what I saw him do. He was a cracker like me but not as good. I would rate him a Saltine. Myself more a Ritz or Triscuit. But please do not call me cracker. It always makes me hungry and of all things for "Crackers" and they suck here![/QUOTE]One thing about me, Is that I have no reason to lie, we were all in Botero plaza together, but clearly your age and your narcissism is getting the best of you. You chimed in on many of my post, but you swear we never met. You saw the dental work that I had done, but you swear we never met. This only validates my theory about you older European looking guys with ED and social security money being angry pompous individuals who live in fantasy land. Let me remind you of what the literature says about you narcissistic individuals, it is estimated that the disorder goes undiagnosed in men. Complications for this personality disorder are depressive episodes, sexual dynamics disorders.

Somatization disorders. The main characteristic of hysteria is excessive emotionality. Individuals like yourself are easily contaminated by the emotional characteristics of their current.

Environment, but do not show empathy towards the people involved. Furthermore, theorist say that affective catharsis is easy to obtain for individuals like you, because you focus on satisfying your own interests by manipulating others. The grand finale of literature implies that individuals like yourself, are intolerant of being ignored. Honestly I can go on for days by informing you of who you are and exposing you for who you really are inside, but out of the kindness of others on this board, will you refrain from being so biased against others simply because they are different from you?

Trust me, I usually collect a rather handsome ransom for the information that I am providing you, but like your friend who tried me before, this diagnostic evaluation for you, is free of charge, good day sir.

Pollo Negro is Out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559432]Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]You are a narcissist who has a personality disorder" Calling two guys out in just one day.

Don't you think that you have yourself a problem?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2558719]Older dude, retirement age, getting by on social security, pot belly, bald, out-of-shape, bad teeth but dentures help. Didn't get laid enough in high-schood, did not know how to treat women then and still doesn't. Only difference, he discovered how to monger on a budget here and other developing areas of the world, and suddenly now he's an expert solely based on the experiences he has paying for sex. That's okay because this a a Web site about that subject. Put him in a social situation back in the states where he can't pay for play and he would strike-out, strike-out, and strike-out again.

I agree with your sentiment that if a guy goes to the trouble of posting something negative about the way another guy here rolls, most of the time it comes from an insecure need for self-validation. What other reason is there? Heck, I have half the frequent fliers here on my Ignore List. Not saying they are all bad dudes but the energy it takes to read their posts is not worth the information gained, overall. So the ony time I get exposed to their tripe is when a super-normal guy like you responds and their original post is included, jajaja.

My dad used to say, "What do you call an asshole when he turns 70?" Answer: An old asshole, jjajaa. There is no substitute for the experience of time, but just because a guy has put in the time and has hundreds or thousand of posts here doesn't exclude that he is just reinforcing ass-hole behaviors. I have learned so much from the good guys here and at the same time my Ingore List continues to expand. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]Well, I turned 59 a few weeks back, although it'll be awhile before I'm living on Social Security. I've got a belly now that wasn't there a few years ago and it doesn't seem like it's going away anytime soon. My teeth aren't what they once we're, but they're still all mine. While I used to walk 50 miles a week in Medellin, now, I'm sometimes worn out by a walk around the block. And I didn't get laid at all in high school.

Strange thing about the girls in Medellin, not one of them has ever asked for my BMI or my dental records. Based on your impression you would think that is going to be top of their list. Most of them don't even ask my age.

Some guys seem to forget, we're going to Medellin, and all those other places, to pay for sex. Whether you fucked every cheerleader in your high school, or didn't get your first pussy until you turned 30, whether you are socially awkward or the life of the party, at the end of the day, you're paying for the pussy in Medellin.

If it makes you feel better to stand in front of a mirror flexing, that's fine, but the same girls who tell you "tan guapo" are saying the same thing to all us old, fat guys.

[QUOTE=Haokool;2559513]You are a narcissist who has a personality disorder" Calling two guys out in just one day.

Don't you think that you have yourself a problem?[/QUOTE]Should I not call it out for what it is, or should I allow them to have a field day saying slick biased statements about persons of color and someone who can hold his own. I call a spade a spade and you might be surprised at my line of work, I not only know a narcissist when I read his posts, I might just be able to make that title a certified statement, through my line of work and the position I hold. Unless you are a therapist, Doctor, Psychiatrist, how would you know if I was a narcissist? Before you attack the person who appears to be winning the argument, understand the argument, the components of the argument and how all that are involved in the argument arrived at the point that we are now. Don't jump into a fight simply because you fit the title of European looking, older male who has ED, then again, I know that you could not help taking a shot at me, because you feel that I am a easy target, think again. Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559507]Tall Man. Tell the truth. Have we ever met?[/QUOTE]Take a look at your post, you can view every post that you ever made on this forum. I was in Medellin from March 1st 2020 until November 5th of 2020, and you still deny that we have me, we were in Medellin at the same time and you still deny that? We were in Botero plaza together my kind sir, but now you want to drag another board member into the argument. Tall Man will see this post and if he chooses to input, he will chime in, but he has no need to, because your statements alone tells anyone who reads this board that you do not remember who you meet. You do not keep a running tab of all of those you encounter, and you will argue about anything that make you feel uncomfortable about blatant statements that you post online and then can be called out for incorrect information. We were in Medellin at the same time, in Park Botero at the same time and you were hiding in the bushes the day that me, tall man and mike met to tour Park Botero. If you say you do not remember it, then it is obvious that you have impaired memory and my statements about older European looking guys with biased statements hold true. Other than that kind sir, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2559605]... Some guys seem to forget, we're going to Medellin, and all those other places, to pay for sex. Whether you fucked every cheerleader in your high school, or didn't get your first pussy until you turned 30, whether you are socially awkward or the life of the party, at the end of the day, you're paying for the pussy in Medellin.

If it makes you feel better to stand in front of a mirror flexing, that's fine, but the same girls who tell you "tan guapo" are saying the same thing to all us old, fat guys.[/QUOTE]Damned JjBee62, I will give you a thumps up and a compliment on that post: and that's not easy for me to do.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2559691]Damned JjBee62, I will give you a thumps up and a compliment on that post: and that's not easy for me to do.[/QUOTE]If you'd abandon the inane Trumpian politics and pseudo-science you'd probably find it a lot easier. Wink. But yea that one was music to the ears of all obese older guys with bad teeth. Nonetheless many a hooker, all else being the same if the guy isn't a prick that works her to death, would prefer to be with a younger fit guy she's attracted to. Many have told me it makes their work easier. It's also common sense, takes the "hold your nose and go" factor off the table.

[QUOTE=Haokool;2559182]They recently killed an American investor.

Check the news.[/QUOTE]Are you by ant chance referring to the Canadian that got gunned down in Sabaneta? Because that was no robbery, that was a straight up shoot-first-and-ask-no-questions-later assassination. Sicarios, rumor is that the hit was ordered because he was investing in something that the competition did not like, you do not try to do business in the backyard of the Oficina de Envigado and expect to safely sit in a parked car and not get shot by some kid on the back of a motorcycle.

[URL]https://newswep.com/photos-a-canadian-was-killed-in-sabaneta/[/URL]

[URL]https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ex-londoner-with-alleged-biker-ties-reportedly-shot-dead-in-colombia[/URL]#text=David%20 Wayne%20 Brown%2 C%2043%2 C%20 died, according%20 to%20 local%20 media%20 reports.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2559706]Are you by ant chance referring to the Canadian that got gunned down in Sabaneta? Because that was no robbery, that was a straight up shoot-first-and-ask-no-questions-later assassination. [/QUOTE]I thought he was talking about the American guy in Barranquilla. So vague. Like it was raining outside recently. Check the weather report. Who? Where? When? Why?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559673]Take a look at your post, you can view every post that you ever made on this forum. I was in Medellin from March 1st 2020 until November 5th of 2020, and you still deny that we have me, we were in Medellin at the same time and you still deny that? We were in Botero plaza together my kind sir, but now you want to drag another board member into the argument. Tall Man will see this post and if he chooses to input, he will chime in, but he has no need to, because your statements alone tells anyone who reads this board that you do not remember who you meet. You do not keep a running tab of all of those you encounter, and you will argue about anything that make you feel uncomfortable about blatant statements that you post online and then can be called out for incorrect information. We were in Medellin at the same time, in Park Botero at the same time and you were hiding in the bushes the day that me, tall man and mike met to tour Park Botero. If you say you do not remember it, then it is obvious that you have impaired memory and my statements about older European looking guys with biased statements hold true. Other than that kind sir, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]PN speaks wise and honest words as this was my recollection of that day. When was this, last summer I recall.

Was this the dude that saw us (The Tall Man, Mike and PN) in the center of botero by where the tourist police used to have their tent? If so yes this clown was like stalking us from 'the bushes' then later that day or the next this clown post shit about me on this forum. What a dip shit.

I never spoke to him, never interacted with him, I noticed him from the corner of my eye but that was it and he posts shit about me on the next day. If this is the same clown WTF is your problem.

I always stay away from drama and problems and this creep reminded me that there are gringos who come to Medellin with mental problems and are just sick in their heads looking to talk smack for no reason.

As always, much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

You guys just don't understand. That was a haiku piece by a Zen master mongering in Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2559709]I thought he was talking about the American guy in Barranquilla. So vague. Like it was raining outside recently. Check the weather report. Who? Where? When? Why?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2559509]I have no real interest in this current pissing contest, but you've got me confused. For someone who's only talked to one foreigner, you sure do list a lot of foreigners that you've talked to.

One bit of advice for everyone. You can't prove anything by writing about it. When it's all done it's just words.[/QUOTE]I was in Colombia March 2020 - October 2020 when the one guy talked to me. I saw Pollo Negro, Tall Man, and another guy. Never got closed than 3 meters that I know of. Never said anything to any of them or was spoke to. Why on earth would I just meet a guy and look at his teeth?

Then returned February 2021 until now. This trip the girl from 1st trip called over a gringo to translate trying to get me to go with her again. That is when I met some others foreigners and regret all of it and do the lone wolf thing now like I had always done in the past and much happier now. .

Pollo Negro. How can I be narcissist? None of my posts have me claiming I am young, good looking, big, tough, staying at posh hotels, having orgies, having 3 girls everyday, rich, etc. But you have claimed many of these. Many of my posts are negative (but true) to warn newbies of possible problems or dangers. So many of you other guys push the boundaries of reality in that all your girls are porn stars, all regular girls, the girls pay you, the girls never leave, the girls love you, and so on. I have plenty of wonderful girls but do not brag about them. I learned years ago to not share female contacts except rare occasions because so many guys are dicks. Then the girl gets mad at me. But whether we met or not has no relevance on the lies you post. I assure everyone that I am not a nice person or well liked by foreigners. I am brutally honest and quickly call BS as soon as I hear it start and walk away. But I am a different person with the girls. For example, the girl I walked out on in the love hotel months ago went with me again. She knew I was mad at her and why. She knew she had pushed me too far. I knew she was not a bad person so I brought her to my hotel, not a love hotel. I still like her and would recommend her. Sweet and very pretty. Just have to keep her contained a little bit or she may ask for the world.

The girl at my hotel who I had problems with canceling and asking money up front. Saw her take 5 guys today. Pretty sure she had more than that so obviously she is not ugly. We looked at each other in the stair case and in the lobby when she was with 3 of her guys passing by so she knew I knew. Later that night when we passed each other again at the office and she was alone, I text her telling her I think she is cheating on me and squinted my eyes suspiciously goofing around. She laughed and went up stairs to her room. I doubt we will ever hook up. I do not care one way or the other. I just love messing with people. She is not mad at me and I am not mad at her. Just different ways of doing things.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559673]Take a look at your post, you can view every post that you ever made on this forum. I was in Medellin from March 1st 2020 until November 5th of 2020, and you still deny that we have me, we were in Medellin at the same time and you still deny that? We were in Botero plaza together my kind sir, but now you want to drag another board member into the argument. Tall Man will see this post and if he chooses to input, he will chime in, but he has no need to, because your statements alone tells anyone who reads this board that you do not remember who you meet. You do not keep a running tab of all of those you encounter, and you will argue about anything that make you feel uncomfortable about blatant statements that you post online and then can be called out for incorrect information. We were in Medellin at the same time, in Park Botero at the same time and you were hiding in the bushes the day that me, tall man and mike met to tour Park Botero. If you say you do not remember it, then it is obvious that you have impaired memory and my statements about older European looking guys with biased statements hold true. Other than that kind sir, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]I very rarely if ever get specific about a mongerer, I prefer generalizations and let the guys here assign themselves to the problem, jaja. ANYWHO, from the outside looking in, is it possible you guys have a case of mistaken identity? Sounds like obviously there was a lurker in the bushes maybe it was a guy with a similar User name or some other rationale explanation? Or we could just say file it under Stupid Shit and move on.

Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2559605]Well, I turned 59 a few weeks back, although it'll be awhile before I'm living on Social Security. I've got a belly now that wasn't there a few years ago and it doesn't seem like it's going away anytime soon. My teeth aren't what they once we're, but they're still all mine. While I used to walk 50 miles a week in Medellin, now, I'm sometimes worn out by a walk around the block. And I didn't get laid at all in high school.

Strange thing about the girls in Medellin, not one of them has ever asked for my BMI or my dental records. Based on your impression you would think that is going to be top of their list. Most of them don't even ask my age.

Some guys seem to forget, we're going to Medellin, and all those other places, to pay for sex. Whether you fucked every cheerleader in your high school, or didn't get your first pussy until you turned 30, whether you are socially awkward or the life of the party, at the end of the day, you're paying for the pussy in Medellin.

If it makes you feel better to stand in front of a mirror flexing, that's fine, but the same girls who tell you "tan guapo" are saying the same thing to all us old, fat guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559277] First you stated earlier this week that---We never met. The last few months I have been here. The last few months you have been in the States (unless you are lying again). [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559737]I was in Colombia March 2020 - October 2020 when the one guy talked to me. ----But you claim, you never met me----I saw Pollo Negro, Tall Man, and another guy. Never got closed than 3 meters that I know of. Never said anything to any of them or was spoke to. Why on earth would I just meet a guy and look at his teeth?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2559737] Pollo Negro. How can I be narcissist? None of my posts have me claiming I am young, good looking, big, tough, staying at posh hotels, having orgies, having 3 girls everyday, rich, etc. But you have claimed many of these.[/QUOTE]First off kind Sir, you are an adult, you know right from wrong and you are old enough to know that you do not call another man a liar without sufficient evidence. You have little to no respect for others on this board, and I will go as far as to say you have no respect for me. I can not expect anything from you because you behavior has shown you have no respect for yourself. You could have kept quiet about my post, you could have pressed the ignore button about my post, but no, you did what any other old narcissist would do, you decided to blend the events of reality and fantasy together to meet your agenda. You asked the question, how can you be a narcissist? Literature has detailed that narcissist cannot recognize the boundary between their own Self and that of others. The reasons that people who are narcissist with personality disorders are not able to maintain meaningful relationships with others are: fear of abandonment, intense unstable relationships, disturbed sense of identity, impulsivity, self-destructive behavior, affective instability, chronic feeling of emptiness, intense anger, psychotic and dissociative symptoms. So LoveitHere69, you should pick any of these characteristics and this will tell you why you are described and have a diagnosis of narcissism.

There are so many actions you could have taken in a professional manner, but no, you decided to tell me that my posts are lies, you decided to tell everyone on the board how my adventures are all BS. You met me, you know that I am young, well to do, able to handle myself, but no, you and your followers had to make it a point to make sure that you made everyone who reads this forum aware that Pollo Negro is a Liar, when the entire time it is you and your followers who are the bold face liars. This is where all the confusion and stupid shit is originated. The stupid shit starts with BMs like yourself who unnecessarily tell lies to earn attention from the other readers. You are the one that causes confusion with the monger community. From now on before you call another BM a liar, or make a statement that you have never met someone, you should make sure you go through each of your post and review them before you make a bold statement that you have not met someone, because you choose to forget that you met the person.

The most important lesson I would like for you to take from this post is this, I never once mentioned Tall Man's name out of respect of arguing with you and only keeping the argument with you. You should never drag another man into an argument for leverage just because you feel that you are losing the argument. It is tacky, disrespectful, and very feminine like. It shows that you are not assure of yourself and you have difficulties staying on task and telling the truth. Your post and bold statements are nothing less than white privilege. Then you have the audacity to claim that I am racist in my statements about you. Everything that I post about you is factual whether you agree or not. You are an adult, act like one, you know better, now do better. You don't have to spew lies across mongering board with guys you will never meet just to seem credible, because one day you may meet a BM and he may remember you for the personal weirdo that you are! Pollo Negro is Out!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2559709]I thought he was talking about the American guy in Barranquilla. So vague. Like it was raining outside recently. Check the weather report. Who? Where? When? Why?[/QUOTE]Did you hear about the American that took a dive out of the Holliday Inn and landed on a taxi? Supposedly happened in Cartagena (I say supposedly because looking at the Holiday Inn in the video and I cant find this spot on Google Maps ) there is a video that someone took of the guys body on the taxi and the damage done to the taxi, here is a snip of the video that shows the damage (I marked over the graphic part out of respect) Seeing how bad it smashed the taxi imagine how high up he must have been, also I would have to wonder if know one saw him jump if there may not be more to the story like he was pushed but surely as a hotel they would know who was coming and going from his room.
The second snip shows the camera panning up the building that he supposedly jumped from, there are no balconies or easily accessible windows that I can tell from this limited perspective so maybe he came from the roof.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2559907]Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I misunderstand the hobby of mongering. I always thought it was about paying women for sex. I never knew it's about paying women to say good things about you.

I've heard it from many sources about what the women say about (fill in the blank) gringos. I'm just wondering why you guys are so obsessed with what prostitutes say about their other customers. I can honestly say I've never asked a hooker about any other guy. A few may have complained about other guys, but I don't pay any attention to that. I'm paying for sex. That's it. The women show up, do what I am paying for, get paid and leave.

I don't pay extra for them to tell other mongers they enjoyed being with me. How much does that service run you?

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2559907]Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.[/QUOTE]The phrase my girls most commonly use is that they are going to go get "Humiliated" when some fat slob with bad breath is drooling all over them. I have nothing against fat slobs or any body type getting what is owed them when they pay for services. I described an average, "hybrid" mongerer and in fact did not exclude myself from that group if a person can read what is in front of them without filling in the gaps with their own bias. I don't think I ever had any flexing days but I do pay attention to body hygiene, nose hairs, toe nails, ears, food between my teeth, etc. I try to do the best with what I have to work with, jajaja. If my average mongerer description strikes a chord and someone feels defensive about it enough to respond, well that act speaks for itself. I would expect most guys to ignore it or laugh it off. So then what's the point? For the core, the silent majority here, consider your source when you read posts telling you how it it. That's all.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2559721]Was this the dude that saw us (The Tall Man, Mike and PN) in the center of botero by where the tourist police used to have their tent? If so yes this clown was like stalking us from 'the bushes' then later that day or the next this clown post shit about me on this forum. What a dip shit.[/QUOTE]That makes two that say Loveithere69 was hiding in the bushes so the case is getting strong. See attachment. Wink.

I saw you guys and you saw me but we never met. We kept passing each other because 50-60% of the area was closed off so everyone was packed into a much smaller space. In one of my posts I corrected a guy about his post saying there were twice as many girls. But in reality the same amount of girls were packed into a much smaller space (optical illusion).

Looks like some overt anti white guy vitriol, I'm curious if this was aimed at any other group if it would be allowed?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2559949]The phrase my girls most commonly use is that they are going to go get "Humiliated" when some fat slob with bad breath is drooling all over them. I have nothing against fat slobs or any body type getting what is owed them when they pay for services. I described an average, "hybrid" mongerer and in fact did not exclude myself from that group if a person can read what is in front of them without filling in the gaps with their own bias. I don't think I ever had any flexing days but I do pay attention to body hygiene, nose hairs, toe nails, ears, food between my teeth, etc. I try to do the best with what I have to work with, jajaja. If my average mongerer description strikes a chord and someone feels defensive about it enough to respond, well that act speaks for itself. I would expect most guys to ignore it or laugh it off. So then what's the point? For the core, the silent majority here, consider your source when you read posts telling you how it it. That's all.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, how often has that happened? How many times has one of "your girls" said she is going to go get humiliated to you? How do they phrase that in Spanish? And if they're "your girls" why are they leaving you to have some "fat slob with bad breath drooling all over them?" How do they even know, before going to see the guy that he's 1. A fat slob, 2. Has bad breath, and 3. Will be drooling all over them? Either some guys are putting way too much information in their WhatsApp messages or this is another fabrication on your part. How about it? Anyone out there want to own up to messaging hookers and telling them "I'm a fat slob with bad breath and I'm going to be drooling all over you?" No? Looks like Oster is blending up more of his bullshit.

Over the past 4 years I've met a bunch of gringo mongers in Medellin. While they cover a wide range of ages and body types, I don't recall a single one who I would describe as a "fat slob." I do remember one guy having bad breath, one time, but in his defense he wasn't out looking for women at the time. It appears to me that just about every monger pays at least some attention to personal hygiene.

As for the silent majority, they do consider the source when they read about how things are. Perhaps you don't understand this part yet, but most of the guys who read this board, don't build houses for hookers, or buy them motor scooters. They don't buy them new iPhones or other expensive things. They have sex with them, pay them and move on to the next one. Perhaps your mystery friend, the world's foremost authority on mongering, who declared you a Jedi master in mongering, forgot to teach you that part.

Of course I feel defensive enough to respond. You're spewing a bunch of bullshit, disparaging a bunch of people you know nothing about. Nobody deserves that. Right now there's some guy, getting up there in years, losing the battle against a slowing metabolism, dealing with whatever other problems in his life, wanting to take one fling and experience what he's been dreaming about for years. Then along comes some bullshit artist telling him the women are going to be disgusted, insinuating that unless he's young, fit and able to blow through money, he should just stay home.

I don't care who anyone is, age, race religion, fitness or anything else. You deserve to follow your dreams. You don't deserve to have anyone tell you that you're not good enough, young enough or wealthy enough, especially when all you want to do is go have sex with some beautiful women.

Changing the subject of the characteristics of mongers to another subject, and pretend that the latter has been the core issue in discussion. I don't blame, what else could you do?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2559946] I'm just wondering why you guys are so obsessed with what prostitutes say about their other customers. ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2559928]Did you hear about the American that took a dive out of the Holliday Inn and landed on a taxi? Supposedly happened in Cartagena (I say supposedly because looking at the Holiday Inn in the video and I cant find this spot on Google Maps ) there is a video that someone took of the guys body on the taxi and the damage done to the taxi, here is a snip of the video that shows the damage (I marked over the graphic part out of respect) Seeing how bad it smashed the taxi imagine how high up he must have been, also I would have to wonder if know one saw him jump if there may not be more to the story like he was pushed but surely as a hotel they would know who was coming and going from his room.
The second snip shows the camera panning up the building that he supposedly jumped from, there are no balconies or easily accessible windows that I can tell from this limited perspective so maybe he came from the roof.[/QUOTE]I read this in a news article last week and researched it, I also watched the video clip, the article states that this was a Canadian guy and the video showed that he clearly leapt from the top floor of the Holiday Inn which is located in Cucuta.

Sad as I watched the video a few times and he was clearly suicidal and simply walked off the top floor, clear as day. RIP and maybe he now can truly be at peace.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2560039]Just out of curiosity, how often has that happened? How many times has one of "your girls" said she is going to go get humiliated to you? How do they phrase that in Spanish? And if they're "your girls" why are they leaving you to have some "fat slob with bad breath drooling all over them?" How do they even know, before going to see the guy that he's 1. A fat slob, 2. Has bad breath, and 3. Will be drooling all over them? Either some guys are putting way too much information in their WhatsApp messages or this is another fabrication on your part. How about it? Anyone out there want to own up to messaging hookers and telling them "I'm a fat slob with bad breath and I'm going to be drooling all over you?" No? Looks like Oster is blending up more of his bullshit.

Over the past 4 years I've met a bunch of gringo mongers in Medellin. While they cover a wide range of ages and body types, I don't recall a single one who I would describe as a "fat slob." I do remember one guy having bad breath, one time, but in his defense he wasn't out looking for women at the time. It appears to me that just about every monger pays at least some attention to personal hygiene.

As for the silent majority, they do consider the source when they read about how things are. Perhaps you don't understand this part yet, but most of the guys who read this board, don't build houses for hookers, or buy them motor scooters. They don't buy them new iPhones or other expensive things. They have sex with them, pay them and move on to the next one. Perhaps your mystery friend, the world's foremost authority on mongering, who declared you a Jedi master in mongering, forgot to teach you that part..[/QUOTE] #1 ISG post of 2021 Touche'.

Reminded me of the story a few weeks ago of a guy who jumped off a high floor of a parking garage in San Diego and landed on top of a young woman walking on the sidewalk killing her instantly. Her boy friend was walking right next to her but was not injured but witnessed this entire event.

This guy in Cucuta obviously leaped off the top of of the Holiday Inn with no regard for anyone who might be below him, just like the other fellow in San Diego. Pretty despicable in both instances.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2560135]I read this in a news article last week and researched it, I also watched the video clip, the article states that this was a Canadian guy and the video showed that he clearly leapt from the top floor of the Holiday Inn which is located in Cucuta.

Sad as I watched the video a few times and he was clearly suicidal and simply walked off the top floor, clear as day. RIP and maybe he now can truly be at peace.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2559721]PN speaks wise and honest words as this was my recollection of that day. When was this, last summer I recall.

Was this the dude that saw us (The Tall Man, Mike and PN) in the center of botero by where the tourist police used to have their tent? If so yes this clown was like stalking us from 'the bushes' then later that day or the next this clown post shit about me on this forum. What a dip shit.

I never spoke to him, never interacted with him, I noticed him from the corner of my eye but that was it and he posts shit about me on the next day. If this is the same clown WTF is your problem.

I always stay away from drama and problems and this creep reminded me that there are gringos who come to Medellin with mental problems and are just sick in their heads looking to talk smack for no reason.

As always, much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]TM I typically like your posts, but this one is a bit off, pn and wise and honest words in the same sentence just don't add up.

He told me he owns "a few medical clinics in USA, MDE and Puerto Rico and that he is an MD, and also that he was in MDE to fix his mouth.

Because all his teeth had rotten and he needed to get them replaced? Well that is one weird ass "backstory".

I think its more likely he has graduated some 3rd rate bullshit preschool than some 3rd world medical school, at least judging by.

The content of his postings.

Be well and stay safe!!

Post-script.

Be careful if you lie with dogs you might get fleas / and you know.

That "guilt by association" issue.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2559907]Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2559949]The phrase my girls most commonly use is that they are going to go get "Humiliated" when some fat slob with bad breath is drooling all over them. I have nothing against fat slobs or any body type getting what is owed them when they pay for services. I described an average, "hybrid" mongerer and in fact did not exclude myself from that group if a person can read what is in front of them without filling in the gaps with their own bias. I don't think I ever had any flexing days but I do pay attention to body hygiene, nose hairs, toe nails, ears, food between my teeth, etc. I try to do the best with what I have to work with, jajaja. If my average mongerer description strikes a chord and someone feels defensive about it enough to respond, well that act speaks for itself. I would expect most guys to ignore it or laugh it off. So then what's the point? For the core, the silent majority here, consider your source when you read posts telling you how it it. That's all.[/QUOTE]I have to hand it to you guys, you have managed to brag about being inept when it comes to women and apparently feel smug about it. You are young and you are paying for pussy and you do mind talking about it. You are even a little smug about it, that is hilarious. I think that is just great. I did not start paying for pussy until I was close to 50. Because before then its free if you have any social skills.

Up into my 40s I made trips to Mexico, Colombia, and Panama. I even had an ongoing online encounter with a gorgeous woman in Caracas Venezuela but that was around the time that Chavez came to power and nationalized oil and I did not think it smart to travel there. Originally Latin Amer Cupid was all there was for Latin countries but yahoo dating and even match dot com reached into Mexico and I had some great trips to Mexico, on my best trip I had a "successful" date ever night counting two chicas I saw twice but I also had a chica that came by my hotel everyday after our initial date on her lunch break to fool around,

The fact is a lot of these women are single in a conservative country where they do not like having a casual encounter with men they know or meet because it makes them feel or look cheap, but they still like sex, so I would convince them that I was a romantic type and make them feel not cheap and that gave them an excuse to give into their impulse. And sex with them was the best, because if the chica is into you than of course the sex has passion and therefor better,

I mean yes it is true that some of these chicas I pay are still pretty transparent about their positive response to the size and girth of my penis, when they first see it and their eyes get wide and they let out a "que rico!" and when they are on top of me and I am inside them and they close their eyes and there hips are making figure eight motions and their eyes are closed I get the idea from their moaning that they can forget the thinning hair and forehead wrinkles and just enjoy a large penis, it is still not the same as seducing them for weeks before,

There is a world of difference between having sex with a woman when there has been weeks of mutual seduction and having sex with a woman that shows up to get paid, I have had both experiences and I feel sad for those who are young and have not. Its not that I never ever paid for pussy when I was young and I have nothing against anyone who is young and does, but when someone gets smug about being young and paying for sex it crosses into the comedy area.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2560129]Changing the subject of the characteristics of mongers to another subject, and pretend that the latter has been the core issue in discussion. I don't blame, what else could you do?[/QUOTE]If you prefer, we can discuss monger characteristics. Simply name the BMs you've met and label them. Which one had bad teeth? Which one was fat? Which one was, in your opinion, too old to be mongering? Which one had bad breath? Which one had offensive body odor? Pick out any other negative characterizations you want. Then we can discuss why you think those things matter if the mongers are getting what they pay for.

That's the central issue. It doesn't matter what you think about other mongers. It doesn't matter what I think about other mongers. What matters is, are they satisfied with what they are receiving for what they are spending? I am. I've rarely had a session where I've been dissatisfied and more often than not the girls exceed my expectations.

Back to your original response. Perhaps you could use some pointers on sessioning with prostitutes. If they are often talking to you about how they feel about being with old mongers, it appears you have different interests, or you're unable to provide proper guidance to the chicas. Which is it? Are you unable to get the chicas focused on satisfying your needs, or are you, for some reason, more interested in hearing about their other customers?

I'm not judging, but if your more interested in hearing women talk about the sex they've had with other men, there are easier and cheaper ways to satisfy that particular fetish.

If you have no interest in that area, perhaps you need to take a look at yourself. I never have a problem with chicas coming over and talking about other mongers. They want to talk about me, about where I've been, or what I think of their country. They talk about music and food, the things they like. Occasionally they will ask if I could refer them to any friends, or offer to introduce me to some of their friends.

What an envious situation. You must be attractive and popular in your home country as well. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560161]I have to hand it to you guys, you have managed to brag about being inept when it comes to women and apparently feel smug about it. You are young and you are paying for pussy and you do mind talking about it. You are even a little smug about it, that is hilarious. I think that is just great. I did not start paying for pussy until I was close to 50. Because before then its free if you have any social skills.

Up into my 40s I made trips to Mexico, Colombia, and Panama. I even had an ongoing online encounter with a gorgeous woman in Caracas Venezuela but that was around the time that Chavez came to power and nationalized oil and I did not think it smart to travel there. Originally Latin Amer Cupid was all there was for Latin countries but yahoo dating and even match dot com reached into Mexico and I had some great trips to Mexico, on my best trip I had a "successful" date ever night counting two chicas I saw twice but I also had a chica that came by my hotel everyday after our initial date on her lunch break to fool around,

The fact is a lot of these women are single in a conservative country where they do not like having a casual encounter with men they know or meet because it makes them feel or look cheap, but they still like sex, so I would convince them that I was a romantic type and make them feel not cheap and that gave them an excuse to give into their impulse. And sex with them was the best, because if the chica is into you than of course the sex has passion and therefor better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560161]I have to hand it to you guys.[/QUOTE]I'll bow out, yours is the only post on this thread from a User who has not been on my Ignore List for a long time already. Don't know, don't care what they have to say. Once in a while it bleeds over when someone else responds and includes a post from someone on my Ignore List and I might take a glance. The Ignore List is a great feature of this sight. Feel free to return the favor and add me to your Ignore List, it's not like we're sending Christmas cards to each other, jajajaja. They call it Stupid Shit for a reason.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2559907]Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.[/QUOTE]This is not the best picture of her Silver Turtle, but this girl is from Mexico City. She is 27 years old, 5 feet 8 inches, 120 lbs, and she is a lawyer, was an internationally ranked swimmer, horny as fuck in bed, and a great lover. She was striking, very intimidating looks wise and is one of the three or four best looking women I have been with. Do you know how I got this woman? I did not put up with her shit. Instead of slobbering all over her, when she did not show up and texted me an excuse, I ragged on her. I told her my time was more important to me than money and to quit wasting it. She shows up 3 hours late, and she looks stunning. I actually have a date then with the woman I called my super model, and she looked better than my super model. She actually ragged on what my super model was wearing later. I want to fuck her right then and there, but I had to go see the girl who was on time. We meet the next night and have epic sex.

One month later, we are at a hotel, and she goes down to drink. I am tired and do not go. She then comes back upstairs and starts screaming at me, "You left me there all alone. "

I talk to a female friend who used to work with the mentally ill, and I tell my friend about my gal, and she says, "Elvis, I think she is borderline. " I get pissed at her and tell her I am going to ruin her next relationship with a guy to get her back because as soon as she says it, I know that she is right. That *****, and I love her of course, always is about the women I have seen. Thing is my lawyer has not totally shown her true colors yet. There may be more fun to be had, but I throw in the towel. It is not worth it.

You are going to have to google borderline right ST? So my lawyer gal starts bugging me, saying I do not call or text her enough, and finally say "Look, I really enjoyed our time together but I am seeing someone else, and I cannot see you anymore."

THEN she texts me and says, "You are fat, and the only reason any girl wants to fuck you is money."

When you say, I hear the women talking, what I would ask is when and why are they talking. Because never in a million years would you think a guy like me would dump a woman like her, but that is what happened.

My guess is about 50% of the hottest women have bipolar disorder, borderline, and / or narcissism. Toss in ADHD, and I will have a relationship with a woman with ADHD unlike the other disorders, and you are up to around 90% in my experience.

All these disorders have issues with self-esteem and a higher than average amount of suicide. So when you say girls are talking shit, you have to understand with most of these conditions the people talk the most shit when they have been rejected.

As for why I dumped the girl, the last borderline I dated felt rejected, threw herself out of my car on the highway, and I had to drag back in my car while she was punching me. After that, I swore off borderlines.

As for getting these women and having game, it may surprise you that these women actually care more about my ability to talk them off the ledge than your looks.

The only line left for you is, "Well, the women I see are not crazy like yours. " If that is the case, then you are seeing women that are a lot uglier than I am.

If you care what someone crazy thinks about you, what does that say about you?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2560155]TM I typically like your posts, but this one is a bit off, pn and wise and honest words in the same sentence just don't add up.

He told me he owns "a few medical clinics in USA, MDE and Puerto Rico and that he is an MD, and also that he was in MDE to fix his mouth.

Because all his teeth had rotten and he needed to get them replaced? Well that is one weird ass "backstory".

I think its more likely he has graduated some 3rd rate bullshit preschool than some 3rd world medical school, at least judging by.

The content of his postings.

Be well and stay safe!!

Post-script.

Be careful if you lie with dogs you might get fleas / and you know.

That "guilt by association" issue.[/QUOTE]That I chose to take the road of lesser resistance and flew to Colombia to save money having my teeth fixed or is it that you're mad that I may actually be an MD. If you can't afford to come to Medellin what is your excuse other than trolling. A fool an his money shall soon part, and I plan on holding on to mine as long as I can. Just because you are slick with your verbs and nouns, those words will not put a penny in your pocket, but your slick verb using European older keyboard typing narcissistic self already knew that! Pollo Negro is out!

I just said "I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos," and you respond with unrelated and disjointed matters in a disproportionately looong post.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2560204]If you prefer, we can discuss monger characteristics. Simply name the BMs you've met and label them. Which one had bad teeth? Which one was fat? Which one was, in your opinion, too old to be mongering? Which one had bad breath? Which one had offensive body odor? Pick out any other negative characterizations you want. Then we can discuss why you think those things matter if the mongers are getting what they pay for.

That's the central issue. It doesn't matter what you think about other mongers. It doesn't matter what I think about other mongers. What matters is, are they satisfied with what they are receiving for what they are spending? I am. I've rarely had a session where I've been dissatisfied and more often than not the girls exceed my expectations.

Back to your original response. Perhaps you could use some pointers on sessioning with prostitutes. If they are often talking to you about how they feel about being with old mongers, it appears you have different interests, or you're unable to provide proper guidance to the chicas. Which is it? Are you unable to get the chicas focused on satisfying your needs, or are you, for some reason, more interested in hearing about their other customers?

I'm not judging, but if your more interested in hearing women talk about the sex they've had with other men, there are easier and cheaper ways to satisfy that particular fetish.

If you have no interest in that area, perhaps you need to take a look at yourself. I never have a problem with chicas coming over and talking about other mongers. They want to talk about me, about where I've been, or what I think of their country. They talk about music and food, the things they like. Occasionally they will ask if I could refer them to any friends, or offer to introduce me to some of their friends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560161]I have to hand it to you guys, you have managed to brag about being inept when it comes to women and apparently feel smug about it. You are young and you are paying for pussy and you do mind talking about it. You are even a little smug about it, that is hilarious. I think that is just great. I did not start paying for pussy until I was close to 50. [/QUOTE]I salute you on all of these accomplishments. You should also be filthy rich, there is no way that I would have waited until I was 50 to pay for pussy and not be rich. Relationships are very time consuming. In the end, one way or another you will have to pay, whether it be for a room, house, car, or lawyer fees during the divorce. You make it seem like it is a bad thing to be young and pay for pussy? In America, if you get some pussy and someone gets pregnant it could be death sentence if you're not responsible enough to weather that 18 year death sentence. Once again, all men should get vasectomies, use condoms, or deal with it. Guess when I was younger I had to deal with it.

The same way that you can say you are responsible for not having a house full of kids or the ability to wine and dine women up until you were nearly 50 yrs old, I can say just the opposite. I had a house full of children at a young age, but I was responsible and during the 18 yr process of raising my kids, I educated myself and made sure that when the world wind of paying child support was over I would have the ability to generate money like I never did when I was younger. Imagine paying a hefty $2000 USD a month for many years and then boom, its all over. You suddenly have an influx of cash and you can be a fool a start another relationship in a country where most relationship / family laws are in favor of the woman or you can travel the world where you can have the finest of women at a fraction of the cost of seeing them in the US and not have the lurking problem of being sued, divorced or incredibly large child support.

You see some of us have little time for US relationships and would rather travel and compensate women for their time, and some of us are younger than 50. I work in an environment where 90% of my co-workers make a minimum of $350 k a year. I can tell you that 90% of my male co-workers are miserable and trapped in a relationship that would cost them millions to get out of. Why in the world would I want to play ball in the playing field of this kind when the deck is stacked against me? I live 3 hours away from Medellin and can travel to Medellin when I choose, why should I give that up and care that someone who is older than me finds it tacky that we talk about having the ability to pay for sex?

This is where we all must find a common ground and agree to disagree that what works for you, may not work for me. Many men of today are coming to realize, paying for sex in Medellin is far cheaper than paying for a divorce and alimony later. I have never had any problem getting women in the US, what I have had problems with is getting rid of them and not losing anything. Women throw themselves at me here in the US, but I be damned if I take one home and end up having to pay anything to get her out of my place. If I can't wait 3 hours to have sex then I should pay whatever these women in America ask, but because I can wait, I just keep a ticket on standby and when I want to have sex, I just fly into Colombia for a while an enjoy myself and leave when I have had enough fun.

So don't make a blanket statement that young men are paying for sex and bragging about it, make a statement saying, young American men have become wise enough to pay for sex in foreign countries and save themselves the hassle of a divorce or a costly breakup. One thing about current, it will take the path of least resistance, why wouldn't I do the same? Good day sir, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2560237]That I chose to take the road of lesser resistance and flew to Colombia to save money having my teeth fixed or is it that you're mad that I may actually be an MD. If you can't afford to come to Medellin what is your excuse other than trolling.[/QUOTE]Many of a wide range of income brackets take advantage of high quality, low cost dentistry in Central and South America. This especially applies when one wants to vacation there anyway. Having never visited these places it's no surprise that Sade is unaware of this. That's even though he's been "studying" here for a while. Lolol.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2560245]I just said "I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos," and you respond with unrelated and disjointed matters in a disproportionately looong post.[/QUOTE]No. You said:

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2559907]Cheers to the desparate rhetoric. I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos.[/QUOTE]There was nothing desperate in my original post. I merely restated what I have posted many times in many forms, stop worrying so much about other people's business. You're entitled to think that people beyond a certain age, BMI, or whatever else, shouldn't monger. However, whether or not they do is no business of yours or anyone else.

Continuing on, if you say you "often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos", how is a discussion about chicas talking about other mongers unrelated?

Did I strike too close to home? Is your particular fetish paying hookers to tell you about their other customers? It's nothing to be ashamed of, I've heard of much worse. I know of at least one monger who would be happy to let you watch him in action, for the price of a couple beers. He might even let you take some video. Just trying to save you some money.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2560245]I just said "I often hear how chicas talk about gringos viejos,"[/QUOTE]How does this happen? In 20 years of going to Latin America and even living there some years, I have never heard hookers talking about old foreigners, but another monger hears it often. Are you at a hooker bar and overhear the group next to you talking about old foreigners? Are you just laying there fucking and the chick starts off into a rant saying well let me tell you about old foreigners? What is it? There has to be something you are doing or saying that is triggering this from the various people if it happens so often. Seems weird.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560161]. Its not that I never ever paid for pussy when I was young and I have nothing against anyone who is young and does, but when someone gets smug about being young and paying for sex it crosses into the comedy area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2560246] You make it seem like it is a bad thing to be young and pay for pussy?

So don't make a blanket statement that young men are paying for sex and bragging about it, make a statement saying, young American men have become wise enough to pay for sex in foreign countries and save themselves the hassle of a divorce or a costly breakup. One thing about current, it will take the path of least resistance, why wouldn't I do the same? Good day sir, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Pardon me sir if I believe that you misread my post but these other. Ahem. Gentleman were making cracks to the effect that their chicas that they pay felt humiliated to be with old guys, that is a very smug attitude and when they get older which they inevitably will and they are still mongering, what will their attitude be then, if you reread my last part of my post I was not referring to all young guys I was referring to the ones who were being smug, for me there is a difference between bragging and being smug, if they were bragging they would only be talking about themselves but when start disrespecting other people that is being smug, and I have yet to see you be disrespectful.

I am one of the people who pays enough attention to know that you even help out the less fortunate that working in El Centro and I have heard of you handing out water to those who have been in the sun all day, I respect a man who can look out for the community of people where he operates. I respect your posts and I know of eyewitnesses and people you have shown the ropes to know that you post the truth and are not a braggart.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560300]Pardon me sir if I believe that you misread my post but these other. Ahem. Gentleman were making cracks to the effect that their chicas that they pay felt humiliated to be with old guys, that is a very smug attitude and when they get older which they inevitably will and they are still mongering, what will their attitude be then, if you reread my last part of my post I was not referring to all young guys I was referring to the ones who were being smug, for me there is a difference between bragging and being smug, if they were bragging they would only be talking about themselves but when start disrespecting other people that is being smug, and I have yet to see you be disrespectful.

I am one of the people who pays enough attention to know that you even help out the less fortunate that working in El Centro and I have heard of you handing out water to those who have been in the sun all day, I respect a man who can look out for the community of people where he operates. I respect your posts and I know of eyewitnesses and people you have shown the ropes to know that you post the truth and are not a braggart.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the misunderstanding of your post, my bad sir!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2560135]I read this in a news article last week and researched it, I also watched the video clip, the article states that this was a Canadian guy and the video showed that he clearly leapt from the top floor of the Holiday Inn which is located in Cucuta.

Sad as I watched the video a few times and he was clearly suicidal and simply walked off the top floor, clear as day. RIP and maybe he now can truly be at peace.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Was there a video of the guy jumping? I only saw the video of the taxi he landed on, he was still on the taxi and they had not yet removed his body, I was thinking that he must have come from the roof just looking at the impact damage that he did.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2559670]Should I not call it out for what it is, or should I allow them to have a field day saying slick biased statements about persons of color and someone who can hold his own. I call a spade a spade and you might be surprised at my line of work, I not only know a narcissist when I read his posts, I might just be able to make that title a certified statement, through my line of work and the position I hold. Unless you are a therapist, Doctor, Psychiatrist, how would you know if I was a narcissist? Before you attack the person who appears to be winning the argument, understand the argument, the components of the argument and how all that are involved in the argument arrived at the point that we are now. Don't jump into a fight simply because you fit the title of European looking, older male who has ED, then again, I know that you could not help taking a shot at me, because you feel that I am a easy target, think again. Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]"You are a narcissist who has a personality disorder."

Do you see these quotes "?

I was quoting YOU for YOU have been calling at least two guys "a narcissist who has a personality disorder" in one short day.

Next time why not trying racist homophone fascist?

Dude, you do have a problem indeed, which is the need for attention, and that is because YOU are special and we must acknowledge your rightfulness.

Or is it a crying out loud, calling for help, midlife crisis?

Closing all your posts with "Pollo Negro is out!" Obviously showing little to no self-esteem and a very deep complex of superiority.

"through my line of work and the position I hold. " hahahha you cracked me up! FYI, I don't care a f* about who you think you are.

True, a deluding mytho is always an easy target but that wasn't my point, harassing and calling out members of the forum was what bothered me.

I stop right there, and that is because you are fragile and weak.

I. E. You do not show the intelligence to understand a post.

You can't take the heat when someone calls you a "narcissist" (which actually absolutely no one did) however, your pompous arrogance qualifies you to call members: "narcissists".

Now YOU, keep on telling stories about how important you are to waitresses while flashing your cash, I personally don't value your time.

P.S. I believe that you do know how to cry to the Mod for censure after your next temper tantrum.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2559706]Are you by ant chance referring to the Canadian that got gunned down in Sabaneta? Because that was no robbery, that was a straight up shoot-first-and-ask-no-questions-later assassination. Sicarios, rumor is that the hit was ordered because he was investing in something that the competition did not like, you do not try to do business in the backyard of the Oficina de Envigado and expect to safely sit in a parked car and not get shot by some kid on the back of a motorcycle.

[URL]https://newswep.com/photos-a-canadian-was-killed-in-sabaneta/[/URL]

[URL]https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ex-londoner-with-alleged-biker-ties-reportedly-shot-dead-in-colombia[/URL]#text=David%20 Wayne%20 Brown%2 C%2043%2 C%20 died, according%20 to%20 local%20 media%20 reports.[/QUOTE]No, it's a US black guy that moved +6 months ago in Col, met this girl on the web, started a company and bought an apartment.

I do not know if her name is on the title, but he was in biz with her.

Two guys on a bike shot him, mid day, down his apartment.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2559706]Are you by ant chance referring to the Canadian that got gunned down in Sabaneta? Because that was no robbery, that was a straight up shoot-first-and-ask-no-questions-later assassination. Sicarios, rumor is that the hit was ordered because he was investing in something that the competition did not like, you do not try to do business in the backyard of the Oficina de Envigado and expect to safely sit in a parked car and not get shot by some kid on the back of a motorcycle.

[URL]https://newswep.com/photos-a-canadian-was-killed-in-sabaneta/[/URL]

[URL]https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ex-londoner-with-alleged-biker-ties-reportedly-shot-dead-in-colombia[/URL]#text=David%20 Wayne%20 Brown%2 C%2043%2 C%20 died, according%20 to%20 local%20 media%20 reports.[/QUOTE]Dmn I went too fast.

I sought that you were referring to the Canadian that jumped off the hotel.

I got my first hand report on YT chat from guys that kinda knew him, I trust they said he was US born. Might be the same guy? Folks on the chat were suspecting the girl for cashing in on the apartment.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2560237]That I chose to take the road of lesser resistance and flew to Colombia to save money having my teeth fixed or is it that you're mad that I may actually be an MD. If you can't afford to come to Medellin what is your excuse other than trolling. A fool an his money shall soon part, and I plan on holding on to mine as long as I can. Just because you are slick with your verbs and nouns, those words will not put a penny in your pocket, but your slick verb using European older keyboard typing narcissistic self already knew that! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Please change your name to "I am not a narcissistic and not using any European older keyboard."

"Just because you are slick with your verbs and nouns, those words will not put a penny in your pocket."

Hmm. I have heard that folks writing stuff and what not make enough money to fix their teeth back home.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2560155]TM I typically like your posts, but this one is a bit off, pn and wise and honest words in the same sentence just don't add up.

He told me he owns "a few medical clinics in USA, MDE and Puerto Rico and that he is an MD, and also that he was in MDE to fix his mouth.

Because all his teeth had rotten and he needed to get them replaced? Well that is one weird ass "backstory".

I think its more likely he has graduated some 3rd rate bullshit preschool than some 3rd world medical school, at least judging by.

The content of his postings.

Be well and stay safe!!

Post-script.

Be careful if you lie with dogs you might get fleas / and you know.

That "guilt by association" issue.[/QUOTE]What you call PN. Has been attacking 5 members in the last 3 pages.

Definitely a psycho copying / pasting his rants from the web. Google his sentences, they come out from dif websites.

Bottom line, he hates Europeans (that is because he can't afford Europe) most ISG members have ED, are narcissists, liars and whatever else comes out of his 50 c attempt at the official forum guru psychologist.

I suggest a gofundme to help him fix his teeth in Col, and he might be able to keep on doing the waterboy with the some change.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560327]Was there a video of the guy jumping? I only saw the video of the taxi he landed on, he was still on the taxi and they had not yet removed his body, I was thinking that he must have come from the roof just looking at the impact damage that he did.[/QUOTE]Since my 2 visits to Cucuta 2 years ago I have a few friends that live there whom I am in contact with and because of this I am connected to a Facebook page dedicated to Cucuta and saw the video posted by a person who took the video from probably 700 to 900 yards away, far yes but you can clearly see him walk to the ledge of the top floor and like they show on a movie simply step off, it did not show the impact as the video was from afar but probably the upper 5 or 6 floor levels down.

Sad to think what issues can cause a person to commit suicide.

RIP.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2559709]I thought he was talking about the American guy in Barranquilla. So vague. Like it was raining outside recently. Check the weather report. Who? Where? When? Why?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haokool;2560337]Dmn I went too fast.

I sought that you were referring to the Canadian that jumped off the hotel.

I got my first hand report on YT chat from guys that kinda knew him, I trust they said he was US born. Might be the same guy? Folks on the chat were suspecting the girl for cashing in on the apartment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haokool;2560334]No, it's a US black guy that moved +6 months ago in Col, met this girl on the web, started a company and bought an apartment.

I do not know if her name is on the title, but he was in biz with her.

Two guys on a bike shot him, mid day, down his apartment.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure that the incident you are now discussing is the incident that happen in Barranquilla, the guy moved down to be with his girl and bought a house and was going to start a restaurant. Like Mr E said it would help if you threw in specifics like what city it happened in and when, this happened a few weeks ago if it is the Barranquilla incident, about which that I am putting a link below.

I saw the comments where people wonder if the girl set him up and I saw the report that said that the video shows what as the two guys on motorcycle were trying to rob him, he proceeded to resist and put up a fight and then he got shot. I was not there, I have not seen the video but the story of people getting shot when they resist robbery is one we here sometimes, and while I understand why people think the girlfriend has motive (and that would certainly be what we like to refer to as a cautionary tale, I just think if he did fight back when they were attempting to rob him then that is the more likely story.

Anyone who follows crime and reports of robberies out of Colombia knows that these guys ride around looking for people with gold chains, hell a few weeks ago they literally followed some guys coming from the airport in Medellin to a residential building which is about a 30 minute ride. I am not saying this as my opinion but if you read back over posts you will see that many BMs would consider wearing a gold chain in Colombia "Dar papaya". I saw the interview where his girlfriend had said that she had asked him many times not to wear the necklace out but stated that he was "stubborn" and refused to take it off. I looked at the photos that are posted of him on the internet and the gold chain seemed to always be prominent.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/timothy-revell-reed-from-atlanta-murdered-for-his-gold-chain-in-colombia.4528946/

[QUOTE=Haokool;2560344]Please change your name to "I am not a narcissistic and not using any European older keyboard."

"Just because you are slick with your verbs and nouns, those words will not put a penny in your pocket."

Hmm. I have heard that folks writing stuff and what not make enough money to fix their teeth back home.[/QUOTE]Save it, you've been exposed, troll, narcissistic, broke, loser, and still no trips to Colombia, you have been called out for exactly who you are, the keyboard typing, no flight catching narcissist that you are, go stand in the bushes with your friend. All this typing and no money for flights, in the words of Michael Jackson, beat it! Pollo negro is out!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2560444]Since my 2 visits to Cucuta 2 years ago I have a few friends that live there whom I am in contact with and because of this I am connected to a Facebook page dedicated to Cucuta and saw the video posted by a person who took the video from probably 700 to 900 yards away, far yes but you can clearly see him walk to the ledge of the top floor and like they show on a movie simply step off, it did not show the impact as the video was from afar but probably the upper 5 or 6 floor levels down.

Sad to think what issues can cause a person to commit suicide.

RIP.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I saw the video that someone took of him still on the car and his impact totaled that car, so he most likely died on impact, his body looked twisted, very very sad.

I remember you going to Cucuta, I considered you to be a trailblazer and I followed your reports. I had read that tow thirds of Cucuta's population are Colombians internally displaced by the previous civil war and that 5000 people a day come into the city or at least pass through the city from Venezuela so it seems like it might be an interesting place.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560513]she had asked him many times not to wear the necklace out but stated that he was "stubborn" and refused to take it off. I looked at the photos that are posted of him on the internet and the gold chain seemed to always be prominent.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/timothy-revell-reed-from-atlanta-murdered-for-his-gold-chain-in-colombia.4528946/[/QUOTE]Yes, it is reported that he was flashing around, sunglasses on his forehead included.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2560513]https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/timothy-revell-reed-from-atlanta-murdered-for-his-gold-chain-in-colombia.4528946/[/QUOTE]Is this the third farang death in 6 months? In Colombia?

You reported one in his car.

This one by his house.

The "suicide".

P.S.- Unless I have info right there, I don't spend hours digging around what I red a week ago.

Folks are free do their homework, unless a gent like you hand them on a silver tray.

[QUOTE=Haokool;2560331]"You are a narcissist who has a personality disorder."

Do you see these quotes "?

I was quoting YOU for YOU have been calling at least two guys "a narcissist who has a personality disorder" in one short day.

Next time why not trying racist homophone fascist?

Dude, you do have a problem indeed, which is the need for attention, and that is because YOU are special and we must acknowledge your rightfulness.[/QUOTE]Clearly you are special and not in an exceptional way. Good luck trying to lure girls to your spot with that Social security check and narcissistic behavior, one thing that is known to us all, Haokool, you cannot fix stupid and you sir, are as stupid as they come. Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2560518]Save it, you've been exposed, troll, narcissistic, broke, loser, and still no trips to Colombia, you have been called out for exactly who you are, the keyboard typing, no flight catching narcissist that you are, go stand in the bushes with your friend. All this typing and no money for flights, in the words of Michael Jackson, beat it! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Very well said.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2560572]Clearly you are special and not in an exceptional way. Good luck trying to lure girls to your spot with that Social security check and narcissistic behavior, one thing that is known to us all, Haokool, you cannot fix stupid and you sir, are as stupid as they come. Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]My post was deleted and you give me those stupid points for being argumentative. The guy said he and his buddy had postponed their trip for months because the lock downs. I said they were idiots and should stay home. Why? Because he had never heard of The Mansion. Two guys and several months research and they never read anything about The Mansion. The guy then asks about it rather than doing a search. That is an idiot. But this post is not argumentative? I see where the honesty issue on this site originates from where you claim he is honest in your prior post and then allow this post.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2560444]Since my 2 visits to Cucuta 2 years ago I have a few friends that live there whom I am in contact with and because of this I am connected to a Facebook page dedicated to Cucuta and saw the video posted by a person who took the video from probably 700 to 900 yards away, far yes but you can clearly see him walk to the ledge of the top floor and like they show on a movie simply step off, it did not show the impact as the video was from afar but probably the upper 5 or 6 floor levels down.

Sad to think what issues can cause a person to commit suicide.

RIP.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haokool;2560542]Is this the third farang death in 6 months? In Colombia?

You reported one in his car.

This one by his house.

The "suicide".

P.S.- Unless I have info right there, I don't spend hours digging around what I red a week ago.

Folks are free do their homework, unless a gent like you hand them on a silver tray.[/QUOTE]That is what we know of, I get this stuff mostly from what people catch and share on FB so there could be more but just to clarify, the gringo who got shot in Sabaneta was definitely an assassination and meant to look like an assassination. This was a guy who had past associations with The Outlaws Motorcycle club so unless he found jesus I am guessing that he was involved in something that got him in those crosshairs. I have known people in that lifestyle and while some do go on to use their elicit money to start legit businesses most find as Glen Frey said in his song Smugglers Blues. "the lure of easy money has a very strong appeal".

[URL]https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/ex-londoner-with-alleged-biker-ties-reportedly-shot-dead-in-colombia[/URL]#text=David%20 Wayne%20 Brown%2 C%2043%2 C%20 died, according%20 to%20 local%20 media%20 reports.

There is an actual video that someone caught that shows the guy stepping off the roof of that Hotel in Cucuta so that's pretty solid evidence that was a suicide.

The other shooting by the guys house was the guy in Barranquilla so each of these incidences happened in three different parts of the country.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2560640]My post was deleted and you give me those stupid points for being argumentative. The guy said he and his buddy had postponed their trip for months because the lock downs. I said they were idiots and should stay home. Why? Because he had never heard of The Mansion. Two guys and several months research and they never read anything about The Mansion. The guy then asks about it rather than doing a search. That is an idiot. But this post is not argumentative? I see where the honesty issue on this site originates from where you claim he is honest in your prior post and then allow this post.[/QUOTE]I am not the Admin and therefore I do not moderate this thread, therefore I could not give you" those stupid points for being argumentative", Read the headings and you will see "Moderated by. ". Maybe you are confused because I moderate a blog about the travel requirements to Colombia during the pandemic. You need to take your issue up with the actual Admin. There is a button of the Front Page that says "contact us" you could try that

[QUOTE=Villainy;2561358]What makes you think that Socialism is coming to Colombia. And what on God's green earth makes you think that even if it did that it would stifle the P4 P scene?

I don't think you have any idea. But I would love to know what your reasoning is to support your view. Afterall I didn't exactly shine in my Political Science classes decades ago.[/QUOTE]I doubt he even knows what socialism is. Especially after he busted out with North Korea LOL.

Politics make strange bedfellows as the saying goes. There are Americans, for example, who declare themselves dead set against the idea of social programs yet have no problem collecting monthly social security payments.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2562012]I doubt he even knows what socialism is. Especially after he busted out with North Korea LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2562020]Politics make strange bedfellows as the saying goes. There are Americans, for example, who declare themselves dead set against the idea of social programs yet have no problem collecting monthly social security payments.[/QUOTE]SS is a program you PAY into during a lifetime, The more you pay in, the larger your monthly benefit. It's not free money given to you just because you can fog up a mirror.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562059]SS is a program you PAY into during a lifetime, The more you pay in, the larger your monthly benefit. It's not free money given to you just because you can fog up a mirror.[/QUOTE]Social Security is socialist as it's a government run retirement system with disability insurance. In fact the very idea was taken from German socialists during Bismarck era Germany. It also includes survivor benefits for spouses that can fog a mirror. And it involves wealth redistribution as those with higher average monthly incomes (5,336 and up) get a much smaller percentage in retirement benefits. And that's only one of many examples, Medicare, public education, student loans among others. The US economy is full of socialism, as are the economies of every developed country.

[URL]https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/122916/are-social-security-benefits-form-socialism.asp[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/27/how-much-do-billionaires-get-in-social-security.aspx[/URL]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562059]SS is a program you PAY into during a lifetime, The more you pay in, the larger your monthly benefit. It's not free money given to you just because you can fog up a mirror.[/QUOTE]Exactly right.

Social Security is paid by the employees salary throughout his working career. 7. 5 percent of salary is paid by employee and 7. 5 percent is paid by employer up to around 100 k of salary per yr. The federal government contributes absolutely nothing except the administration of the program which they bankrupted many years ago.

[QUOTE=SubComm;2562070]Exactly right.

Social Security is paid by the employees salary throughout his working career. 7. 5 percent of salary is paid by employee and 7. 5 percent is paid by employer up to around 100 k of salary per yr. The federal government contributes absolutely nothing except the administration of the program which they bankrupted many years ago.[/QUOTE]The fact that taxes are collected is irrelevant to whether Social Security is socialism or not. Strongly democratic socialist countries like in Europe collect taxes all the time. Well heck forget about the "liberals," hear it from a Libertarian.

[URL]https://www.fff.org/2019/12/20/social-security-is-socialism/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubComm;2562070]Exactly right.

Social Security is paid by the employees salary throughout his working career. 7. 5 percent of salary is paid by employee and 7. 5 percent is paid by employer up to around 100 k of salary per yr. The federal government contributes absolutely nothing except the administration of the program which they bankrupted many years ago.[/QUOTE]Correct (both you and latinlover) but with a needed clarification. Correct that most of us have paid in more than we'll ever get back assuming a nominal ROI. But it is a social program for those who have worked only a few years enough to qualify for the minimum monthly distribution. I know a professional gambler who quit working a normal job at 37. He's now 82 and has been collecting the minimum monthly benefit for 20 years. So it has a redistribuiton element built in as do all government social programs. Same for someone who was a very low wage earner their entire career. They would have paid in relatively little but still qualify for the minimum monthly benefit which is now about $900 per month.

[QUOTE=SubComm;2562070]Exactly right.

Social Security is paid by the employees salary throughout his working career. 7. 5 percent of salary is paid by employee and 7. 5 percent is paid by employer up to around 100 k of salary per yr. The federal government contributes absolutely nothing except the administration of the program which they bankrupted many years ago.[/QUOTE]Okay, the OASDI tax rate is 12.4%, 6.2% for employers, 6.2 for workers. Since 1985 I have earned more than the SS tax limit. From 1993 to 2015, when I retired at age 70, I was self employed and paid both halves of the OASDI. Since I postponed retirement until 70, I get ~$3850 (less the incredible $504.90 IRMAA Medicare Part B payment). I had 50 years of SS taxable income, but compare that with the benefit for someone who had 30 years with the minimum income (although the way it currently is nearly everyone receives more than the regulatory minimum). Anyhow, if you look at the cost / benefit for what the minimum worker receives vs what I get, it is obviously socialism.

And that's exclusive of Medicare. Medicare: Now most people pay $148.50/ month for Part B; whereas, as I wrote, I pay $504.90 for exactly the same thing. Both halves of the Medicare tax are 2.9%, which has no AGI limit. For the 22 years I was self employed I received a large, taxable income, which was all subject to MC tax. I'd have to go back and look at it, but I'm guessing that just in those self emplyed years I contributed >>$350 K total just in MC. Okay, I am a Democrat. I can still afford the IRMAA part B payments. I could afford the MC tax on my AGI. I have too much money. I believe we should have a progressive tax system. But to all you who claim that you "earned" your SS and MC, and that they are not socialism, let me say that I am (still) living proof that you are completely delusional (i.e., full of shit). By any definition, SS and MC are socialism.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562079]Okay, the OASDI tax rate is 12.4%, 6.2% for employers, 6.2 for workers. Since 1985 I have earned more than the SS tax limit. From 1993 to 2015, when I retired at age 70, I was self employed and paid both halves of the OASDI. Since I postponed retirement until 70, I get ~$3850 (less the incredible $504.90 IRMAA Medicare Part B payment). I had 50 years of SS taxable income, but compare that with the benefit for someone who had 30 years with the minimum income (although the way it currently is nearly everyone receives more than the regulatory minimum). Anyhow, if you look at the cost / benefit for what the minimum worker receives vs what I get, it is obviously socialism.

And that's exclusive of Medicare. Medicare: Now most people pay $148.50/ month for Part B; whereas, as I wrote, I pay $504.90 for exactly the same thing. Both halves of the Medicare tax are 2.9%, which has no AGI limit. For the 22 years I was self employed I received a large, taxable income, which was all subject to MC tax. I'd have to go back and look at it, but I'm guessing that just in those self emplyed years I contributed >>$350 K total just in MC. Okay, I am a Democrat. I can still afford the IRMAA part B payments. I could afford the MC tax on my AGI. I have too much money. I believe we should have a progressive tax system. But to all you who claim that you "earned" your SS and MC, and that they are not socialism, let me say that I am (still) living proof that you are completely delusional (i.e., full of shit). By any definition, SS and MC are socialism.[/QUOTE]Give it a rest and who gives a shit anyway. Some people think they have all the answers, come on people this is a forum to talk about pussy and not politics and debating about none pussy related things hehehe, OK maybe a little talk but there is a section for non-pussy related BS.

Frankly the chicas don't care if your a democrat or republican or independent as they just want to plata.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562079]Okay, the OASDI tax rate is 12.4%, 6.2% for employers, 6.2 for workers. Since 1985 I have earned more than the SS tax limit. From 1993 to 2015, when I retired at age 70, I was self employed and paid both halves of the OASDI. Since I postponed retirement until 70, I get ~$3850 (less the incredible $504.90 IRMAA Medicare Part B payment). I had 50 years of SS taxable income, but compare that with the benefit for someone who had 30 years with the minimum income (although the way it currently is nearly everyone receives more than the regulatory minimum). Anyhow, if you look at the cost / benefit for what the minimum worker receives vs what I get, it is obviously socialism.

And that's exclusive of Medicare. Medicare: Now most people pay $148.50/ month for Part B; whereas, as I wrote, I pay $504.90 for exactly the same thing. Both halves of the Medicare tax are 2.9%, which has no AGI limit. For the 22 years I was self employed I received a large, taxable income, which was all subject to MC tax. I'd have to go back and look at it, but I'm guessing that just in those self emplyed years I contributed >>$350 K total just in MC. Okay, I am a Democrat. I can still afford the IRMAA part B payments. I could afford the MC tax on my AGI. I have too much money. I believe we should have a progressive tax system. But to all you who claim that you "earned" your SS and MC, and that they are not socialism, let me say that I am (still) living proof that you are completely delusional (i.e., full of shit). By any definition, SS and MC are socialism.[/QUOTE]I too paid into SS and for many of those years I hit the maximum amount to pay in by the end of summer. Because of that I am not aware of all the 'social' programs that grew out of the forced saving plan called SS. I think I remember reading back in my school days, a long time ago, The pre cursor to what we have today was the serf system, and the 'poor laws' of England, which was brought here by the early English settlers. And now with the addition of SSA, and the checks that go out to millions of women with children without support from the fathers, all coming out of the SS program paid in by workers. In that vein, you are exactly correct, it's a socialist program started by FDR a democrat, right after the depression. I, personally could have done much much better if I was allowed to invest my SS dollars as I wished. I would have a lot more today then the few thousands I get from them. So it is a program where it takes from the rich and gives to the poor, or a redistribution of wealth! However, I don't mind a few socialist programs to help those who can not help themselves. I'm not sure but I don't think Colombia has any programs like SS, if so it could probably help the families I see who have all the red flags in the windows because they have no food. As part of the human race we have an obligation to help the less fortunate. I am old school, I would prefer to do as I do, volunteer to help the people I know with the red flags in Colombia or write a check every month to St Judes and not be dictated by anyone what I need to do or live in a total Socialist society. My too sense. Peace my brothers.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562168]I too paid into SS and for many of those years I hit the maximum amount to pay in by the end of summer. Because of that I am not aware of all the 'social' programs that grew out of the forced saving plan called SS. I think I remember reading back in my school days, a long time ago, The pre cursor to what we have today was the serf system, and the 'poor laws' of England, which was brought here by the early English settlers. And now with the addition of SSA, and the checks that go out to millions of women with children without support from the fathers, all coming out of the SS program paid in by workers. In that vein, you are exactly correct, it's a socialist program started by FDR a democrat, right after the depression. I, personally could have done much much better if I was allowed to invest my SS dollars as I wished. I would have a lot more today then the few thousands I get from them. So it is a program where it takes from the rich and gives to the poor, or a redistribution of wealth! However, I don't mind a few socialist programs to help those who can not help themselves. I'm not sure but I don't think Colombia has any programs like SS, if so it could probably help the families I see who have all the red flags in the windows because they have no food. As part of the human race we have an obligation to help the less fortunate. I am old school, I would prefer to do as I do, volunteer to help the people I know with the red flags in Colombia or write a check every month to St Judes and not be dictated by anyone what I need to do or live in a total Socialist society. My too sense. Peace my brothers.[/QUOTE]The purpose of social security as FDR admitted himself was to toss some crumbs to the masses to prevent the overthrow of the capitalist system. We've been to countries where the poor go destitute, starving and begging in the streets (not to mention peddling their pussies) and wonder really, isn't it about time we had that in the USA?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562297]The free flow of money to every person in the USA, regardless of citizen status can not continue. Trillions upon trillions going out will come back to bite us in the ass. Big time. Inflation is soaring at a record pace in the last 4 months, huge tax increases are at our door step. The job market is an anomaly and temporary. As the discretionary income dwindles the masses will not continue to spend and the jobs will dry up. So. There just might be more available pussy in the street looking for money for food. The gravy train is over for us, Thanks to the ones pulling the puppet strings.[/QUOTE]I'm sure this will shock you beyond belief. But this is a forum about Medellin and women who are available here to make our visits or stays more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562320]Let's put a pin in this prediction and revisit it six months and a year from now. Let me ask what you think the accuracy of your economic predictions from a year ago have been? BTW. Who do you believe is pulling the puppet strings? It's clear to me who is pulling yours: Koch and Heritage Foundations through their paid propaganda arm, Fox News.[/QUOTE]It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out. Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. So for that reason you are now on ignore.

Not sure if the admins are all on vacation, or if they've decided the Medellin thread is the new geopolitical discussion thread.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562347]It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. [B]If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out.[/B] [/QUOTE]You lead off with name calling and insults and then immediately follow with:

[QUOTE][B]Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults[/B] and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. So for that reason you are now on ignore.[/QUOTE]And immediately you follow up by claiming the person you just called a brain dead drone can only resort to name calling and insults instead of having a respectful debate.

However, he simply asked a fair question.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2562320]Let's put a pin in this prediction and revisit it six months and a year from now. Let me ask what you think the accuracy of your economic predictions from a year ago have been? BTW. Who do you believe is pulling the puppet strings? It's clear to me who is pulling yours: Koch and Heritage Foundations through their paid propaganda arm, Fox News.[/QUOTE]His closing statement might be considered insulting, however, it is obvious. Nobody has been able to produce all the illegal aliens who are raking in a bunch of free money from government handouts, but it's a fallacy Fox News has been pushing for many years. I employed an illegal alien for nearly 4 years (as a casual laborer) and the only free money he received was in the card his mother sent him every year on his birthday.

I'm just curious. Do you own a chicken suit? Since you spend so much time posting that the sky is falling, you should at least dress the part.

Revisiting an earlier post from you, the inflation rate over the past 4 months is nowhere near historic levels. It's also, according to an email I received from Charles Schwab early this morning transitory.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562297]The free flow of money to every person in the USA, regardless of citizen status can not continue. Trillions upon trillions going out will come back to bite us in the ass. The gravy train is over for us, Thanks to the ones pulling the puppet strings.[/QUOTE]Let's be very clear about this free flow of money and trillions upon trillions going to your apocryphal undeserving folk. This money will have net zero effect on their lives, nor is it intended to in any way benefit them. This money is so they can make their interest payments and thereby keep MasterCard, Visa, the banks and assorted rentiers whole. Get it?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562347]It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out. Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. So for that reason you are now on ignore.[/QUOTE]Again another right wing post overlooked by the admin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2562430]Not sure if the admins are all on vacation, or if they've decided the Medellin thread is the new geopolitical discussion thread.

You lead off with name calling and insults and then immediately follow with:

And immediately you follow up by claiming the person you just called a brain dead drone can only resort to name calling and insults instead of having a respectful debate.

However, he simply asked a fair question.

His closing statement might be considered insulting, however, it is obvious. Nobody has been able to produce all the illegal aliens who are raking in a bunch of free money from government handouts, but it's a fallacy Fox News has been pushing for many years. I employed an illegal alien for nearly 4 years (as a casual laborer) and the only free money he received was in the card his mother sent him every year on his birthday.

I'm just curious. Do you own a chicken suit? Since you spend so much time posting that the sky is falling, you should at least dress the part.

Revisiting an earlier post from you, the inflation rate over the past 4 months is nowhere near historic levels. It's also, according to an email I received from Charles Schwab early this morning transitory.[/QUOTE]Yes it seems that only right wing posts are allowed nowadays. Where is the censorship?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562628]Yes it seems that only right wing posts are allowed nowadays. Where is the censorship?[/QUOTE]He lets all sides air it out.

I see someone is trying to "work the ref" I'm going to guess publicly insulting him is just "bad form".

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562628]Yes it seems that only right wing posts are allowed nowadays. Where is the censorship?[/QUOTE]He is an adamant supporter of white nationalism and various conspiracy theories. And he is always surrounded by similar "friends." If you challenge, or worse- successfully and efficiently disprove, rightwing notions. Your post is removed and you are on his black list.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2563511]He is an adamant supporter of white nationalism and various conspiracy theories. And he is always surrounded by similar "friends." If you challenge, or worse- successfully and efficiently disprove, rightwing notions. Your post is removed and you are on his black list.[/QUOTE]Why is your acct still active?

Ready the firing squad!!

I volunteer, better yet can I interest you in a free helicopter tour?

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2563511]He is an adamant supporter of white nationalism and various conspiracy theories. And he is always surrounded by similar "friends." If you challenge, or worse- successfully and efficiently disprove, rightwing notions. Your post is removed and you are on his black list.[/QUOTE]I have no clue what the politics is of the owners, admins of this site, but they let it flow on the off topic threads, far right, far left and everything in between is published. A brief look at the American Politics thread in the Opinions section proves that. You are simply talking out of your ass, which as you just proved, is also allowed on off topic threads. Lolol.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2558686]I would call the guy that I would like to be a dumbass and incoherent, you have not been to Medellin, you don't know anything of Medellin and you enjoy trolling others simply because that disability check and SSI doesn't provide you the opportunity to travel like you dream of daily. Good luck though, maybe you'll get some action in yourself and stop verbally wrestling with other BMs who actually travel and who actually have a presence in Medellin. Pollo Negro is Out![/QUOTE]LOL this clown got his panties in a bunch because I said I overpaid for a tinder prepago. He's deathly afraid that I'm going to price him out of the market and he'll no longer have his only source for pussy that he can afford with his social security checks. He spends all day bashing other board members, jealousy / hate is very apparent.

We recently had this angry lonely old man shoot and kill 8 of his coworkers in San Jose, CA. His coworkers / neighbors said he was an angry loner, this guy fits the mold jajajaja.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564266]I thought you didn't like outliers? Now you're basing your claims on finding one hooker, one place in the world, who varies her rates?

Why is it that whenever I set up another monger with a girl in Medellin she sets her rate before knowing anything about the guy? Why is it that the casas and strip clubs have an established rate? Why do photoprepagos why mileroticos girls quote prices over WhatsApp? Why is it that one girl, charged the same price for 5 different guys over a period of several weeks, guys ranging from under 30 to over 60, from fit to fat?

What's this silliness about doing better than most? They're prostitutes. They sell sex for money. There's no better or worse. You pay, you get laid. As long as you bathe regularly and know how to use a toothbrush, you'll have no difficulty, regardless of what you look like. They don't base whether or not they're taking customers on how attractive they think the guy is. They base it on how much they need the money.

If you had ever been to a mongering destination you would know this. I've hung out with guys in Medellin who are still in their 20's and guys in their 70's. I've met up with guys who could barely climb a flight of stairs and guys who run marathons. I've seen guys who looked like models, and guys with faces even their mother has a tough time loving. They're all getting laid and mostly they're all paying about the same.

There's a simple way to solve this. I'll be in Medellin June 16-25. Just show up and hit me up. I'll call up a girl to meet you. You can prove that she'll charge you much less than her normal price.[/QUOTE]Mileroticos LOL, I don't do fixed pricing LOL that's for chumps.

Escorts are bullshit, I set the rules of engagement, not some pimp.

Its my money I'm no fool, escorts are bullshit, in every single country in the world.

There are guys that understand this and are willing to learn ways around it.

They are cool.

Then you have dirtbags like.

"I'll pay what I want for pussy and could careless if broke asses whine about it; call it gentrification".

And they don't care if they burn it all down (if they can't have it, they don't want you having it) LOL.

There's a simple way to solve this. I'll be in Medellin June 16-25. Just show up and hit me up. I'll call up a girl to meet you. You can prove that she'll charge you much less than her normal price.

That's not a random sample.

Sounds more like a rigged outcome.

I avoid sharks that like to sodomize beta mongers.

I don't want them for free.

Here's a better example meet me in say bkk.

Nana plaza, we walk into a bar, I don't even sit down, I don't drink so I never buy drinks.

I do a lap in the place, pick out at minimum an above avg girl.

And pay her much less than anyone else does in the whole nana plaza that night.

And tell her before I barfine, there will be no condoms!!

The odds of me getting a no, are almost 0%.

And nana is a condom kinda place.

I'll be 54 soon, Ill pick the cutest one closest to 18 yo. No tattoos, no implants or babies.

I typically don't aim for the stone face "prettiest" puta shark sitting in the corner with her fone stuck in her face.

You know the one in most places, waiting for a chump like dark thought to walk in to pay her 10 x the going rate.

Meanwhile I paid less for a PSE experience and she's going to demand 3 condoms for triple protection before she even touches him.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564266]I thought you didn't like outliers? Now you're basing your claims on finding one hooker, one place in the world, who varies her rates?

Why is it that whenever I set up another monger with a girl in Medellin she sets her rate before knowing anything about the guy? Why is it that the casas and strip clubs have an established rate? Why do photoprepagos why mileroticos girls quote prices over WhatsApp? Why is it that one girl, charged the same price for 5 different guys over a period of several weeks, guys ranging from under 30 to over 60, from fit to fat?

What's this silliness about doing better than most? They're prostitutes. They sell sex for money. There's no better or worse. You pay, you get laid. As long as you bathe regularly and know how to use a toothbrush, you'll have no difficulty, regardless of what you look like. They don't base whether or not they're taking customers on how attractive they think the guy is..[/QUOTE]If you had ever been to a mongering destination you would know this. I've hung out with guys in Medellin who are still in their 20's and guys in their 70's. I've met up with guys who could barely climb a flight of stairs and guys who run marathons. I've seen guys who looked like models, and guys with faces even their mother has a tough time loving. They're all getting laid and mostly they're all paying about the same.

No offense, but they sound like naive rookies, the price of pussy is negotiable in most places, and if you want to show me a place it isn't, then guess what, you literally couldn't pay me to go in there.

I don't pay sucker price.

What is that axiom? All men are created equal, some are just more equal than others LOL.

I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I don't like certain attitudes, I understand some have inferiority complexes.

But maybe some public shaming would help, instead of being complicit in their bullshit by providing / co-signing excuses for their deliberately destruction mongering ways.

This post is quintessential hubris.

I'll pay what I want for pussy and could careless if broke asses whine about it; call it gentrification.

If I owned this site, a post like this would be just cause for permanent banning including the IP address.

But like Kazeu suggests just don't engage them, that's a start.

Not co-signing their bullshit is another.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564563]Don't fall for it jjbee! Nana plaza is where all the ladyboy bars are, I knew this guy was sus! Soi cowboy is where the hottest ones work.

A visit to a ladyboy bar is on a lot of tourists to do list when they travel to Bangkok Thailand. Nana Plaza and Patpong have the most ladyboy bars
https://www.barnewsbangkok.com/m.ladyboy-bars.html[/QUOTE]Fall for it? He's a blowhard posting from his mommy's basement. He throws out BKK because it's not open for tourism and likely won't be for awhile. It's his way of doing a victory dance, without ever having to ask his mommy's permission to go outside.

Meanwhile, while he's blustering about, telling everyone how great he is, I'll be in Colombia doing what I enjoy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564590]Fall for it? He's a blowhard posting from his mommy's basement. He throws out BKK because it's not open for tourism and likely won't be for awhile. It's his way of doing a victory dance, without ever having to ask his mommy's permission to go outside.

Meanwhile, while he's blustering about, telling everyone how great he is, I'll be in Colombia doing what I enjoy.[/QUOTE]LOL yea, only a loser would brag about scoring with a hooker like he does.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2564565]As for getting the vaccine after you have had Covid, many doctors advise against that. They say the antibodies your body produces are more powerful than the vaccine.[/QUOTE]This is a nonsense.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2564565]Y

As for getting the vaccine after you have had Covid, many doctors advise against that. They say the antibodies your body produces are more powerful than the vaccine.[/QUOTE]No competent immunologist is saying any thing like this. All the competent doctors are saying the opposite, It is everyone's choice what they should do but they should be acting on the best knowledge available, not from some quack doctor who is spouting off their opinion but from the best doctors in the country.

They are saying that " If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. ".

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859[/URL]#had-covid.

All the top medical advisors are saying that even if you had Covid already that there is no guarantee that you developed enough natural antibodies to be immune.

[URL]https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines[/URL]

[URL]https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid[/URL]

[URL]https://health.clevelandclinic.org/when-should-you-get-vaccinated-if-youve-had-covid-19/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine/for-patients.html[/URL]#text=People%20 who%20 have%20 gotten%20 sick, sick%20 with%20 COVID%2 D19%20 before.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564771]No competent immunologist is saying any thing like this. All the competent doctors are saying the opposite, It is everyone's choice what they should do but they should be acting on the best knowledge available, not from some quack doctor who is spouting off their opinion but from the best doctors in the country.[/QUOTE]Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?

I arrived at the playground today, aka ground zero around 10 AM and ran into the Chica I had met yesterday that I told I wanted to have a session with today and we had a "failed negotiation". I asked her what I would be getting for 30 K and when I asked about the unconvered blow job she looked at me funny. So I asked her if it was included and the answer was "will see" and "maybe", so I again asked if it was included and didn't get a positive answer meaning yes or no so I politely said I'm going for a walk and left. I typically get everything I want agreed to beforehand and wasn't going to accept a "maybe, or will see". So I took some laps and after about 15 minutes she sees me, comes up to me, and say's, ok no problem with the BBBJ, at which point I had already moved on. If a girl is reluctant to give BBBJ's and / or hesitant about it, it's usually best to pass on them. So after about another 1/2 hour, one of my BJ queens shows up and I immediately retained her services. I then left El Centro around 1 PM, went to Bellen, and there was a thunderstorm and they shut the pool down so I came back to ground zero around 2 PM at which time it stopped raining. A lot of times I stand against the wall opposite the glass covered walkway in front of the Veracruz Church courtyard and I had some issues there today.

The first one was I had a bunch of coins in my pocket and I was sorting thru them in my hand, and all of a sudden people started coming up to me asking for "monedas", total rookie mistake. Then a very old and grotesque / fat hooker came up to me and instead of politely telling her no thanks, I walked away without saying a word to her, and she had a shit fit, walked out onto the glass part of the walkway, spit on it, then rubbed her shoe in it, yelled at me and called me a fag and departed. I didn't say a single word to her and probably should of politely said I wasn't interested.

After this I took some more laps, interviewed some new girls which I passed on, and then one of my favorite spinners appeared who hasn't been around for a long time and upstairs we went. This one is smaller than my new spinner, and she was totally in heat. I think I over dosed on viagra, I took a quarter pill, and an hour and a half later took another quarter and was so hard it took me like 45 minutes to finish. And she pounded me so hard while on top I had to have her turn it down. I met her a few years ago and she is typically there to bullshit with friends and drink some beers. I told her she was like a dog totally in heat and she said she hadn't been fucked in several weeks but of course I didn't believe her, but what a blowout session.

Just another day at the playground.

The little wing nut baby is having another Covid-19 meltdown on the stupid shit thread. Deja Vu. LOL.

You yourself are in here making medical assertions with no "data" or source citations while whining about Cuomo like he has anything to do with the price of rice in China, other than to attack a guy based on his home state. As it stands now the CDC and the consensus of contagious disease specialists who have spoken out recommend vaccination for those who have had Covid. Those are facts. There's also been a study done that indicates that those who have had Covid likely will do well enough with a single shot. That link which alludes to "data" was already posted in the regular thread a few days ago. Do your blood pressure a favor and do some research next time rather than believing everything Rand Paul, Fox, and whatever wingnut blog tells you, along with what you want to embellish along the way. That's asking a lot I know. As to the shots, of course everyone is free to do as they wish, as they've been doing all along anyway.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mishagajewski/2021/03/10/people-who-already-had-covid-19-might-not-need-the-second-dose-of-vaccine-study-finds/?sh=43d6cd515f85[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564869]Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564656]LOL yea, only a loser would brag about scoring with a hooker like he does.[/QUOTE]But in any case look in the mirror I know its tough, but you need to stop projecting.

Because I'm not the one that gets overcharged by putas (even the 3rd world ones) jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564869]Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/opinion/media-lab-leak-theory.html[/URL]

When I mentioned the blog Zero Hedge, the Democratic douches do as they always do: attack the source. If Fox News says 2 + 2 =4, the Democratic douches would say something to the effect that "Fox News would say something like that. "

What kind of conspiracy theorist type reads an "economical blog" like Zero Hedge?

Well, it turns out no mask, one mask, two mask Anthony Fauci does: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fauci-emails-reveal-damage-control-scramble-after-zerohedge-spotlights-man-made-covid-19[/URL].

And yes Fauci saying that the Corona virus was man made was "really outlandish". Ha!

And now the Washington Post is walking things back "The Post becomes the latest in a growing list of media outlets and 'fact checkers' that have been forced to walk back their insistence that the lab leak theory was an impossibility. " [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/washington-post-becomes-latest-media-outlet-walk-back-debunked-conspiracy-theory-wuhan[/URL].

Yep, nothing like another main stream paper of record showing it is full of shit. What is a Democratic douche to do?

Now the USA is having 1/3 the cases that Colombia has, do you think that maybe somebody ought to tell the Colombians that the social distancing, hand sanitizers, wearing masks outside, Covid tests upon entering the country do not work? Now all we need is Paulie saying Duque showed "real leadership" in this crisis and maybe JJBee can repeat his "jobs come back but lives do not. "

Yeah, all this Democratic douche, "scientific" leadership did was kill people and cost people their jobs while covering up the origins of the virus. The lab leak theory was racist doncha know? Gee, who know that fucking around with deadly viruses could kill millions? Not Fauci. No, fucking around with viruses was worth the benefit per Fauci. He testified to this before Congress in 2012, and he started the gain of function research on his own after Obama shut it down. Yep, the mastermind of gain of function with viruses was Fauci and he hides behind racism and his "scientific" co-conspirators.

Now we can hear about how no one predicted this 2 year lag in supply chains. That was "nonessential" work right? Shiiit!

Shaking my fucking head. Can you believe all the stupid shit that was done in the name of fighting Covid? And that Colombia is still doing it?

Cue the Democratic douche line, "Nobody knew. "

Hey Mojo, let me hear it. How "reputable" is Fauci now? Let me guess. You are still quoting the reputable Washington Post.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564869]Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

[b]And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican.[/b]Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?[/QUOTE]I tune out Rand Paul because he isn't an immunologist or a virologist. Just as I tuned out trump's advice on disinfectant and light bulbs.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565022]The little wing nut baby is having another Covid-19 meltdown on the stupid shit thread. Deja Vu. LOL.

You yourself are in here making medical assertions with no "data" or source citations while whining about Cuomo like he has anything to do with the price of rice in China, other than to attack a guy based on his home state. As it stands now the CDC and the consensus of contagious disease specialists who have spoken out recommend vaccination for those who have had Covid. Those are facts. There's also been a study done that indicates that those who have had Covid likely will do well enough with a single shot. That link which alludes to "data" was already posted in the regular thread a few days ago. Do your blood pressure a favor and do some research next time rather than believing everything Rand Paul, Fox, and whatever wingnut blog tells you, along with what you want to embellish along the way. That's asking a lot I know. As to the shots, of course everyone is free to do as they wish, as they've been doing all along anyway.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mishagajewski/2021/03/10/people-who-already-had-covid-19-might-not-need-the-second-dose-of-vaccine-study-finds/?sh=43d6cd515f85[/URL][/QUOTE]Accepting advice from Rand Paul, concerning viruses and vaccines, makes as much sense as hiring a plumber to rewire your house. He's an opthalmologist, an uncertified opthalmologist.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564869]And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?.[/QUOTE]I can see why you would have profound respect for Dr. Rand Paul. After all he is (was) an ophthalmologist and perhaps he can help you with your inability to see anything about CoVid without putting on your political blinders.

Of course you also want to discount anything Dr. Fauci says because, afterall, he is too political. But wasn't he named as an example of a great American hero by George Bush I in one of his debates against Michael Dukakis in 1988?

In my world. We listen to an epidemiologist when we want to learn about viruses, pandemics and communicable diseases and we listen to an ophthalmologist if we want to learn about glaucoma or Lasik surgery.

I guess we live in different worlds.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2565028]But in any case look in the mirror I know its tough, but you need to stop projecting.

Because I'm not the one that gets overcharged by putas (even the 3rd world ones) jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Like I said before, we don't play in the same sandbox. You stick with the nana plaza ladyboy bars. To those with a limited budget, any holes will do; just not my thing jajaja

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564771]No competent immunologist is saying any thing like this. All the competent doctors are saying the opposite, It is everyone's choice what they should do but they should be acting on the best knowledge available, not from some quack doctor who is spouting off their opinion but from the best doctors in the country.[/QUOTE]So any doctor who you do not agree with is a quack. Then, Dr. Fauci must be a quack because he has had opposite opinions on almost all aspects of Covid. Or do you form your opinion on what Dr. Fauci says at any given moment?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564771]All the top medical advisors are saying that even if you had Covid already that there is no guarantee that you developed enough natural antibodies to be immune.[/QUOTE]You must have some phenomenal abilities, or you think you do, because you know what "all the component doctors" and "all the top medical advisors" are saying. You know what EVERY one of them are saying? Also, none of the vaccine manufacturers claim their vaccine is 100% effective in fighting off the virus. So no guarantees of immunity there either.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564771][URL]https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines[/URL]

[URL]https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid[/URL]

[URL]https://health.clevelandclinic.org/when-should-you-get-vaccinated-if-youve-had-covid-19/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine/for-patients.html[/URL]#text=People%20 who%20 have%20 gotten%20 sick, sick%20 with%20 COVID%2 D19%20 before.[/QUOTE]All those links except the ones from Harvard and Johns Hopkins have reports with two things in common. They recommend people who have had Covid get the vaccine and "we're not sure" or "there's not enough information currently available" or "we don't know" how the body will react to the virus in those people who have had Covid. They don't state it, but they also don't know if there are any long-term effects from the vaccine. Havard and Johns Hopkins do not express an opinion about the vaccine. They state that there is research that suggests people who have had Covid may benefit from the vaccine.

Just for the record, I have received both doses of the Moderna vaccine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564869]Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?[/QUOTE]I was not even talking to you or responding to your post and yet you feel so insecure and personally attacked that you have to get up in here and start calling people names? Why do childish people have to start calling people names when they are disagreed with? But now that I know it gets a rise out of you I think Ill just keep poking.

This is a medical issue and it takes a particularly ideologically warped mind to see it as political.

No one who knows me personally would call me a liberal. I have been registered in both parties at one time or another but these days I just register as an independent. Most of my friends have usually been more conservative because we share the same interests and usually agree about 70% of the time about things, none of them would ever consider me a "liberal". Both Bernie Sanders and Marjorie Taylor Greene are equally fucking bat shit crazy. Bernie Sanders would think I was a fascist Nazi conservative.

But poor poor Elvis' mind is lost in a conservative echo chamber where everyone who does not agree with the propaganda being divvied out there must be a "liberal" or a "democrat". That is called black and white thinking and I should mention that it is symptomatic of a personality disorder. If you walk towards the light outside of the cave you'll see the shades of grey.

I cited the most respected medical institutions in the world, and sorry but I refuse to believe that Harvard Medical, The Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic are somehow caught up some liberal misinformation campaign and that you somehow know more than they do. I do wonder though how ideologues get so paranoid as to think that they know more than our finest medical institutions.

I do not ignore Rand Paul because he is a Republican, I ignore what he said because he is a fucking eye doctor and not a immunologist, when he talks about pink eye then I will listen. One of my best friends is also an ophthalmologist and he is a Republican and he says Rand Paul is full of shit when he talks about Covid, factually and ethically. Senator Bill Cassidy is doctor and a Republican and he disagrees with Rand Paul also.

I call bullshit on your statement "risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge" the goddamn vaccine is supposed to increase the load of antibodies, that is the whole point, how is that a "risk". Tell me the harm in that. Tell me the long term harm that people have suffered as side affects from the vaccine? What kind of ideological drivel are you babbling about?

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2565224]Like I said before, we don't play in the same sandbox. You stick with the nana plaza ladyboy bars. To those with a limited budget, any holes will do; just not my thing jajaja[/QUOTE]Like many say here, they all live in Bello, some wear different clothes, some take the money they get from overcharging chumps and buy knock off designer crap from China.

But you keep mentioning LBs? Is that your secret? I saw many "doods" taking them in BKK in Soi Cowboy and Nana, but none of the customers looked like me.

My sympathies, I pity you and your self-delusions, as was pointed out. If you are using mongering as a psych med, is your reality that tough?

Again my sympathies.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2565227]. Then, Dr. Fauci must be a quack because he has had opposite opinions on almost all aspects of Covid. Or do you form your opinion on what Dr. Fauci says at any given moment?
Just for the record, I have received both doses of the Moderna vaccine.[/QUOTE]For the record I have not heard, listened to or cared what Dr Fauci has said in over a year because he is not in the trenches where the new information is being discovered. I have worked in the medical field most of my life, I am surrounded by medical people all the time, I have two cousins who are doctors and my brother and his wife are doctors who are researchers at a pharm company, and they have access to the latest information as it gets published and reviewed. Which really as of several months ago is about looking at the different variants that are developing as the virus morphs and changes.

At least Funluvr has backed off of his Trumpesque "many doctors" advise those who have had Covid not to get the vaccine claim. It's sad that the process of getting this corrected incited a protracted temper tantrum from Elvis, but was well worth it nonetheless.

And Funluvr good job with getting your shots. You did right by yourself and those who are around you. Thumbs up and the same to all who have done the same. I completed the Pfizer in early April.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

[URL]https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fox/2021/06/02/emails-reveal-that-fauci-wasnt-being-straight-with-the-american-people-n1451475[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2565288]I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

[URL]https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fox/2021/06/02/emails-reveal-that-fauci-wasnt-being-straight-with-the-american-people-n1451475[/URL][/QUOTE]Hardly unbiased reporting:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJ_Media[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565230]I cited the most respected medical institutions in the world, and sorry but I refuse to believe that Harvard Medical, The Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic are somehow caught up some liberal misinformation campaign and that you somehow know more than they do. I do wonder though how ideologues get so paranoid as to think that they know more than our finest medical institutions.[/QUOTE]And you do not think those organizations take marching orders from the government? My God, you are naïve. You know what organization has said landlords cannot evict tenants? The CDC: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/landlords-hosed-after-appeals-court-tosses-bid-resume-evictions[/URL].

You think the CDC does not have those "reputable" organizations by the balls? Government bureaucrats tell Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, and Johns Hopkins (maybe you should get that spelling right) what to do. Stop quoting "reputable" organizations and look at the data, and in this case, THERE IS NONE.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565230]I do not ignore Rand Paul because he is a Republican, I ignore what he said because he is a fucking eye doctor and not a immunologist, when he talks about pink eye then I will listen.[/QUOTE]You should not listen to Rand Paul because he is Rand Paul. You should look at the data. Prior Covid infection confers about 90% immunity which is about at the same level of immunity as a vaccine. When you give a vaccine, you raise antibody levels and some people have had horrible reactions to those higher antibody levels. I know someone who has to quit his job after getting the vaccine due to tinnitus and dizziness. I know people who have been out for 4 weeks after getting the vaccine due to body aches and fatigue and some with permanent aches and fatigue, and I still think most people especially adults should get it. But giving it to 12 year olds and those previously infected? That is where the benefit: risk line becomes very blurred.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565230]One of my best friends is also an ophthalmologist and he is a Republican and he says Rand Paul is full of shit when he talks about Covid, factually and ethically. Senator Bill Cassidy is doctor and a Republican and he disagrees with Rand Paul also.[/QUOTE]Who cares? What does the data show?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565230]I call bullshit on your statement "risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge" the goddamn vaccine is supposed to increase the load of antibodies, that is the whole point, how is that a "risk". Tell me the harm in that. Tell me the long term harm that people have suffered as side affects from the vaccine? What kind of ideological drivel are you babbling about?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/studies-suggest-link-between-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine[/URL]

LOL. Drivel?

The first study, led by researchers at the Institute for Immunology and Transfusion Medicine in Greifswald, Germany, involved 11 patients who had abnormal blood clots or thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) 5 to 16 days after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine.

One patient had a fatal intracranial hemorrhage (bleeding in the brain), while nine had cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clots in the brain), three had splanchnic vein thrombosis (blood clots in abdominal veins), three had a pulmonary embolism (blockage in a lung artery caused by blood clots), and four had other types of blood clots. Six patients, in addition to the patient with fatal intracranial hemorrhage, died.

Twenty-eight patients from another sample referred for investigation of vaccine-induced abnormal blood clotting tested positive for heparin-induced platelet factor 4 (PF4) thrombocytopenia antibodies, independent of heparin. All of them also tested positive for platelet-activating antibodies.

Got that dumb shit? Six people died after getting the vaccine and making antibodies from it. But in your web infested mind, Immune system = good. Do you think that maybe other antibodies might be raised by the vaccine and be harmful too?

And here you have a scientist looking at one side of the equation, "Everyone has good responses to the vaccines. They work to protect people against COVID-19. But for those who may be worried about side effects, they are not necessarily a bad thing—they may actually be an indicator of an even better immune response," Wherry said. [URL]https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/april/penn-study-suggests-those-who-had-covid19-may-only-need-one-vaccine-dose[/URL].

Got that? The officially listed common side effects of the vaccine, fatigue and body aches, suggest a robust immune response. They are a side effect of higher antibody counts. Problem is for some people they are not temporary.

And here is another potential side effect [URL]https://www.verywellhealth.com/tinnitus-covid-vaccine-side-effect-5184272[/URL].

A small number of people are reporting ear ringing, referred to as tinnitus, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. Unlike body aches or fatigue, tinnitus is not officially listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a vaccine side effect. Experts say there's not currently enough scientific evidence to suggest the tinnitus cases are caused by vaccination.

Still, tinnitus reports have surfaced in both clinical trials and after authorized vaccination.

Johnson & Johnson vaccine clinical trials included six non-severe tinnitus cases within 28 days of vaccination, though the USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) later ruled they were unrelated to the shot. 1 The USA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database has documented 1,486 cases of tinnitus following vaccination with any brand, meaning 0. 95% of vaccine recipients report experiencing the potential side effect.

End of quote.

Clearly, you do not get Mojo Brainless that it is possible that tinnitus is also related to unidentified antibodies. Meanwhile, no one knows what is the correct amount of antibodies you need to fight off infection, and I do not buy the official 1% tinnitus number. I think it is higher. Most do not associate it with the vaccine, and when I know someone who has that and dizziness that is so bad he has to quit his job, and that means something to me.

So you look on one side of the equation: rare but potentially fatal blood disorders, typically short lived but occasionally long term body aches and fatigue, 1% chance of tinnitus that some have had for months and the benefit is a supposed 5% decrease in the chance of getting Covid again? That is not a no-brainer decision.

Any of your "reputable" friends who have a one size fits all answer for that benefit to risk ratio are just like you, arrogant and totally full of shit. You do not know what you are talking about so kindly shut the fuck up.

As for being independent, give me a break. You are an arrogant, government is good liberal blowhard. You are totally against normal people being told the plusses and minuses of the vaccine and making up their own minds. You and your liberal trash call said people brainless antivaxxers.

As for the name calling, that is because someone may get hurt because of your mindless arrogance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2565288]I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

[URL]https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fox/2021/06/02/emails-reveal-that-fauci-wasnt-being-straight-with-the-american-people-n1451475[/URL][/QUOTE]Mr. E, it is even worse than that.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fauci-2012-gain-function-research-worth-risk-lab-accident-sparking-pandemic[/URL]

America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits of manipulating viruses via gain-of-function research, according to previously unsurfaced remarks reported by Sharri Markson via The Australian.

For those who trash Zero Hedge, there is a link to this video testimony where he says exactly that before Congress, the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits in video before Congress in 2012.

So basically, this fucker Fauci started making and studying man made super viruses on his own after Obama banned it, and while Trump was getting his feet wet and did not notice it. The NIH, which Fauci controls, was sending money to the Wuhan lab in China.

To make matters even more scary, if you go to the 5:45 second mark on this video, you learn that there are 11 labs right here in the USA fucking around with and making super viruses under Fauci's control, and we now know there are lab leaks or accidents all the time.

So basically this fucker Fauci, all on his own, decided creating super viruses and studying them was worth the risk of a lab accident. One fucking guy decided this for the whole world. It is government at its worst.

Of course, if you are a Democratic douche, you support government "scientists" like this and you blow off Dr. Rand Paul and his questions because he is a Republican.

Hell, you even ban anyone who mentions that Covid-19 came from a lab as a whack job conspiracy nut mostly because Trump mentioned it and if Trump is on one side of an issue, the Democratic douches have to be on the other.

But the chickens are coming home to roost. Amazon and Barnes and Noble are banning the sale of Fauci's book: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/expect-unexpected-indeed-faucis-pandemic-profiteering-book-was-just-pulled-amazon-barnes[/URL].

And in addition to the email where Fauci pulls a boner on masks, (This asshole has recommended no masks, then one mask, then two), there is also one where he was told about how the CCP was lying about how bad Covid was in China and Fauci replied, "Too long, didn't read."

Well, enough of us now know here that Fauci is totally full of shit. The problem is the leaders in Colombia are still listening to him.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565258]For the record I have not heard, listened to or cared what Dr Fauci has said in over a year[/QUOTE]You are so full of shit.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565258]I have two cousins who are doctors and my brother and his wife are doctors who are researchers at a pharm company, and they have access to the latest information as it gets published and reviewed. Which really as of several months ago is about looking at the different variants that are developing as the virus morphs and changes.[/QUOTE]I do not recall you or anyone else mentioning any variants when Trump was in office. The only reason the USA was #1 in cases was not due to virus variance but Trump's incompetence right? Is that why your "independent family" has only been studying them the last few months? It is almost like the scientific community got together and decided not to mention viral variances until he was out of office.

That is the crazy thing about this virus. There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media. Scientific America listed five variances two months before the election but no one else mentioned anything about them. Then in the last five months, we have had incessant talk in the media about the four new variants since Trump lost.

It is amazing to me that India is seeing larger daily Covid numbers than at any time in this Covid crisis and no one is mentioning government incompetence but everyone is saying India has a particularly potent variance of the virus.

Quite the coincidence, right, Mr. Independent?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565290]Hardly unbiased reporting:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJ_Media[/URL][/QUOTE]Cane, what is it with you Democratic douches that you criticize the source as opposed to get the facts right?

The source is Fauci's own email, you Democratic Douche!

Do you know how to read?

[URL]https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1399942256723963904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1399943384496812032%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fexpect-unexpected-indeed-faucis-pandemic-profiteering-book-was-just-pulled-amazon-barnes[/URL]

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/expect-unexpected-indeed-faucis-pandemic-profiteering-book-was-just-pulled-amazon-barnes[/URL]

And for the record, not all Democrats are douches like you, some are actually logical. They vote in their interests as opposed to do stupid shit like attacking the source like you do. I know that not everyone who votes Democrat is stupid but in the mind of all you Democratic douches, all Republicans, or people who vote that way, are.

As for me and kissing Trump's ass, forget it. The CDC is under him, and he let them fuck up the early diagnostic testing, he believed the lying president Xi, and he let Fauci fuck around and fund making super viruses after Obama banned said research, but none of you Democratic douches mention any of that.

You douches banned the lab leak theory, which is obviously how Covid hit the world, and said anyone who mentioned the CCP was to blame was racist. And worst of all, you Democratic douches worship at the feet of the fucking "scientists" who created this whole mess.

And you are supporting Fauci now? God, you are dumb.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2565239]Like many say here, they all live in Bello, some wear different clothes, some take the money they get from overcharging chumps and buy knock off designer crap from China.

But you keep mentioning LBs? Is that your secret? I saw many "doods" taking them in BKK in Soi Cowboy and Nana, but none of the customers looked like me.

My sympathies, I pity you and your self-delusions, as was pointed out. If you are using mongering as a psych med, is your reality that tough?

Again my sympathies.[/QUOTE]You can regurgitate the stuff you read from others, but you lack the basic knowledge which nobody writes about.

You already proved your lack of experience with prostitutes by claiming there's very little variation in quality. That's somewhat surprising since everyone who posts trip reports notes how some sessions are much better than others. Every monger knows that YMMV.

Now you've compounded that by not understanding a very basic aspect of sex work. Sex workers don't spend their money buying knock off designer crap from China, especially not those in Medellin. They are either making enough money to buy the real thing, or their customers are gifting them with it. Again, it's surprising you didn't pick up on that. Many guys have posted about buying stuff on sale at Victoria's Secret to hand out as tips.

Medellin girls especially wouldn't be buying knock offs from China. Medellin is the textile capitol of Colombia. All the knock offs you could want are made right there.

And not all the girls come from Bello. A lot of girls who cater to the gringo market are from Bello, but that's only because of 2 well known Bello pimps. The girls come from all over Medellin and beyond.

And we're not all playing in the same pool. Another thing you should have picked up from the forum. The girls Knowledge and Surfer500 see will never enter into slapshots pool. The girls I see won't be spotted in a lineup at New Life, or working Gusto. There's a class of girls rarely seen by any gringo, because very few gringos know where to find them.

You really should research more before doing your role-playing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565290]Hardly unbiased reporting:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJ_Media[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't know this outlet, but your post suggests you know of an unbiased media outlet (s)?

Please enlighten us.

Post-script.

We are waiting with bated breath.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565331]You are so full of shit.

I do not recall you or anyone else mentioning any variants when Trump was in office. The only reason the USA was #1 in cases was not due to virus variance but Trump's incompetence right? Is that why your "independent family" has only been studying them the last few months? It is almost like the scientific community got together and decided not to mention viral variances until he was out of office.

That is the crazy thing about this virus. There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media. Scientific America listed five variances two months before the election but no one else mentioned anything about them. Then in the last five months, we have had incessant talk in the media about the four new variants since Trump lost.

It is amazing to me that India is seeing larger daily Covid numbers than at any time in this Covid crisis and no one is mentioning government incompetence but everyone is saying India has a particularly potent variance of the virus.

Quite the coincidence, right, Mr. Independent?[/QUOTE]This is seriously my last response to you because your train has obviously left the station. You are pathetically politically obsessed, you need to try medication, I seriously do not see this as a political issue. Virus variants do not give a damn or know who is president, Covid does not vote. The variants was an inevitable thing that happens after a virus has time to change, only you would find a way to mix it with politics.

Are you really so crazy that your going to tell me that I am lying about not listening to Fauci? I swear on my mother's grave that I have not heard anything he has said since early last year. Why the fuck would I lie?? I'm not an obsessed news junkie, I do not have cable cause its just stupid shit I do not want to pay for. . And I am sorry to be the one that has to tell you this but that is what makes you crazy, you think you fucking know me and how I spend my time? Then when I tell you how it is spent you call me a liar? Do you know how crazy that sounds? Your obsessed with Trump and Fauci and I do not think that either one of them is relevant to the current situation.

I have absolutely no reason to listen to Fauci about anything when I have people that can tell me what is being published in the scientific journals. Can your third grade mind not understand what I wrote. Fauci does not have any new information that I care about, the new science gets written in medical and science journals that people that I know have access to.

And you are so obsessed that you throw in Trumps name because I mentioned that the only new information I care about is the virus variants? Politics and the variants are tow completely different subjects. I care about variants, I do not care about politics. Its because news about variants is the only thing relevant at this point. The variants were going to happen they always do.

I also do not know nor care what is going on in India, I don't live there it does not have anything to do with me. I do not know why you think bringing it up proves anything and I do not care.

What I care about most is urging you to get the help you need with your obsessing so much that you are interjecting politics into a medical discussion and your delusions that you can read peoples minds. That is another symptom of a personality disorder. Any of the small private psychiatric hospitals will give you a free assessment. You walk on in there and tell them about your black and white thinking and your mind reading abilities, and throw in some information about your paranoia that people in India are making up stories about a virus variant and I am sure they can help you out.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565321]Mr. E, it is even worse than that.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fauci-2012-gain-function-research-worth-risk-lab-accident-sparking-pandemic[/URL]

America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that ... this fucker Fauci started ...So basically this fucker Fauci...Of course, if you are a Democratic douche... the Democratic douches have to be on the other.. where Fauci pulls a boner on masks.. that Fauci is totally full of shit...[/QUOTE]

I thought I (very cleverly) compared the "American Politics" forum to the grease bucket on my smoker, which exists only to collect the schmutz. This post belongs there.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2565375]I thought I (very cleverly) compared the "American Politics" forum to the grease bucket on my smoker, which exists only to collect the schmutz. This post belongs there.[/QUOTE]He cannot talk about anything without turning into politics LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565331]You are so full of shit.

I do not recall you or anyone else mentioning any variants when Trump was in office. The only reason the USA was #1 in cases was not due to virus variance but Trump's incompetence right? Is that why your "independent family" has only been studying them the last few months? It is almost like the scientific community got together and decided not to mention viral variances until he was out of office.
[/QUOTE]Paranoia.

Because may, your not omniscient just maybe the scientific community did say things about variants but that would violate the conspiracy? But oh wait what's all this? - "There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media".

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-coronavirus-spreads-faster-than-original-study/a-54034723[/URL] (March 2020.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32357545/[/URL] (April).

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/05/coronavirus-strains-mutating-some-more-dangerous-than-others/3085752001/[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-there-more-than-one-strain-of-the-new-coronavirus[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://medium.com/swlh/variants-lineages-and-strains-of-coronavirus-7a71a0e699d7[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-06/new-coronavirus-covid19-strain-mutation-hits-vaccine-research/12218834[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-mutating/story?id=70535183[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/cad0013/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200612-choe-farzan-coronavirus-spike-mutation.html[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/unique-coronavirus-strain-found-in-chicago-northwestern-study/2292119/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-cases-chicago-covid-19-study/6254953/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.18.156810v1.full.pdf[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc13.com/coronavirus-covid-19-strain-new-houston/6300460/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244093332.html[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://scitechdaily.com/global-covid-19-cases-now-dominated-by-new-more-infectious-strain-of-virus/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-happens-if-covid-19-mutates[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/new-strain-covid-more-infectious-1.892276[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/learning-more-about-sars-cov-2-the-virus-that-causes-covid-19[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-17/malaysia-detects-virus-strain-that-s-10-times-more-infectious[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674%2820%2930877-1.pdf[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://khn.org/morning-breakout/more-contagious-viral-strain-dominates-covid-cases-in-houston-based-study/[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12967-020-02535-1[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/10/15/Virus-strain-change-should-not-affect-COVID-19-vaccines-study[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://news.utexas.edu/2020/10/30/coronavirus-mutation-may-have-made-it-more-contagious/[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-spain-variant/scientists-identify-prolific-coronavirus-strain-which-started-in-spain-and-spread-across-europe-idUSKBN27E2RS[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/11/13/more-infectious-and-airborne-covid-19-mutant-replaced-wuhan-virus-to-dominate-worldwide-research-finds/?sh=3939e7735ed3[/URL] (November).

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-02/What-are-mutated-strains-of-COVID-19-and-are-they-important--V4tFNb82pq/index.html[/URL] (November).

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565368]What I care about most is urging you to get the help you need with your obsessing so much that you are interjecting politics into a medical discussion and your delusions that you can read peoples minds. That is another symptom of a personality disorder. Any of the small private psychiatric hospitals will give you a free assessment. You walk on in there and tell them about your black and white thinking and your mind reading abilities, and throw in some information about your paranoia that people in India are making up stories about a virus variant and I am sure they can help you out.[/QUOTE]Beautifully stated, and some of the best advice we have seen in here in a long time. I hope he takes it to heart and follows through.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565380]Because may, your not omniscient just maybe the scientific community did say things about variants but that would violate the conspiracy? But oh wait what's all this? - "There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media".[/QUOTE]Once again, Mojo Brainless, you do not even read your own articles. This is from November 2.

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-02/What-are-mutated-strains-of-COVID-19-and-are-they-important--V4tFNb82pq/index.html[/URL]

"It's really important to keep in mind that most of these mutations do not affect the virus at all," molecular epidemiologist, Emma Hodcroft, told CGTN Europe.

"I must stress at this point that there is currently nothing to suggest that the variant is more likely to cause serious disease."

The World Health Organization said it is aware of the "variant" and said there is no evidence so far it would act differently from other strains.

End of quotes.

Yeah, did you and your other Democratic douches consider the reason the Americas had more cases was because it was hit by more infectious variants? Nope, variants did not matter then. It was all about governments doing a "good job" and Cuomo showing "real leadership" while Trump sucked wind. Colombians were non-compliant as were Peruvians. That is why there were so many cases there. They were not suffering from a more potent strain of the virus. All viruses were of the same potency per the WHO.

Then after the election, variants devastate the UK, India, and Brazil, and all of a sudden citizen compliance is not a thing anymore. Yeah, AFTER Trump was out of office, THEN variants mattered.

You think I want a dialogue with you, you arrogant windbag? Forget it. I want you to shut up and quit doling out stupid medical advice. I want you to hide your head in shame for suggesting that we all bend down and kiss the ass of the "scientific" mother fuckers who caused this whole pandemic to begin with.

And you think this is about Trump? The fuck it is. It is about him being a diversion for what was really going on. You Democratic douches were so obsessed with getting him that you missed the real villains in the story. Just because Fauci and his band of "scientists" were villains does not make Trump a hero. You douches look at everything as red and blue. Just because the Democrats were total morons does not mean Republicans were smart.

You happy with what is going on in Colombia? They listened to all your "scientific" heroes and look at the mess they are in.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565312]And you do not think those organizations take marching orders from the government? My God, you are nave. You know what organization has said landlords cannot evict tenants? The CDC: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/landlords-hosed-after-appeals-court-tosses-bid-resume-evictions[/URL].

You think the CDC does not have those "reputable" organizations by the balls? Government bureaucrats tell Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, and Johns Hopkins (maybe you should get that spelling right) what to do. Stop quoting "reputable" organizations and look at the data, and in this case, THERE IS NONE.

You should not listen to Rand Paul because he is Rand Paul. You should look at the data. Prior Covid infection confers about 90% immunity which is about at the same level of immunity as a vaccine. When you give a vaccine, you raise antibody levels and some people have had horrible reactions to those higher antibody levels. I know someone who has to quit his job after getting the vaccine due to tinnitus and dizziness. I know people who have been out for 4 weeks after getting the vaccine due to body aches and fatigue and some with permanent aches and fatigue, and I still think most people especially adults should get it. But giving it to 12 year olds and those previously infected? That is where the benefit: risk line becomes very blurred.

Who cares? What does the data show?

[URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/studies-suggest-link-between-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine[/URL]

LOL. Drivel?

The first study, led by researchers at the Institute for Immunology and Transfusion Medicine in Greifswald, Germany, involved 11 patients who had abnormal blood clots or thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) 5 to 16 days after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine..[/QUOTE]Since you referenced Germany a lot in your post, (1) how many Germans IN TOTAL have had vaccine-related problems?; (2) how many Germans have received at least one dose of vaccine?; and (3) what is the percentage of problems vs. Number of doses administered?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565362]You can regurgitate the stuff you read from others, but you lack the basic knowledge which nobody writes about.

You already proved your lack of experience with prostitutes by claiming there's very little variation in quality. That's somewhat surprising since everyone who posts trip reports notes how some sessions are much better than others. Every monger knows that YMMV.

Now you've compounded that by not understanding a very basic aspect of sex work. Sex workers don't spend their money buying knock off designer crap from China, especially not those in Medellin. They are either making enough money to buy the real thing, or their customers are gifting them with it. Again, it's surprising you didn't pick up on that. Many guys have posted about buying stuff on sale at Victoria's Secret to hand out as tips.

Medellin girls especially wouldn't be buying knock offs from China. Medellin is the textile capitol of Colombia. All the knock offs you could want are made right there..[/QUOTE]Jajajaaa.

I was walking in Bogota one day and some really hot chick, screamed out a passing car "I Love YOu" jajaa.

I thought woowww that's weird I thought nobody speaks English here LOL.

I don't have hours a day to waste arguing with you, so I will put you on ignore, besides I don't type well.

I don't sit in the bsmt chugging caffeine bombarding ISG with your drivel, what's the axiom?

If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit, that was written with your kind in mind!!

I will repeat there is very little variation in putas, a puta is a puta is a puta!!

Some dress nicer than others! That's about it.

Arent you the fool that said he attended some meeting with the National police in Colombia to discuss puta rights?

So you are that feminist in his bsmt in the northwoods of Canada that loves giving webcam putas your money, isn't that you?

1st you say they don't buy knock offs from China, then you say they just buy them here, because they are made here.

Yes someone did say he bought VS panties, for like $10 for 5 pairs.

You are so silly I or anyone else would be a fool to engage you further, PN probably makes more sense with his childish fictional tales.

I suspect you are here to do anything you can do to promote feminism on the board.

Like defend those that get overcharged, I'm sure you love when they get more pesos, and.

Fools pay for CFS including CBJ, like you, you literally couldn't pay me to accept that, EVER.

You are just as culpable with your complicity regarding those that get overcharged for the untold damage they do to this hobby and community, you try to defend them in anyway you can.

Especially making the asinine comment that.

There's a class of girls rarely seen by any gringo, because very few gringos know where to find them.

Bullshit, you are just trying to feed their fantasies, and allow them to continue to be sodomized by these barrio cucarachas / putas.

You know, I know as does everyone else, what your agenda is.

Promote condoms and sky is the limit on pesos given, "because some are goddesses" jajaajaaaaaaaaaa.

I've don't many $500 putas, yes I fell for that BS myself, 18 yo blonde hair blue eyed gorgeous 10, no tattoos or babies.

I'm here to state unequivocally they aren't any better than a $5 puta.

I'm all about service, putas are analogous to porn IMO.

You can watch a $50 a month website or you can watch the same scenes on PH, same with webcam putas.

I'm going to hit ignore now.

I'm guessing you will continue to ramble diarrhea out of your mouth via the keyboard.

I don't read your posts anymore but what do you call putas? *****s? Hookers? Angels?

Do you respect them? Do you admire them? Lets hear it for everyone.

Well I should show you what they do to me, tongue fuck my ass, I fuck them in the ass, ATM, then they swallow all my jizz.

All for a couple pesos, I respect that cost / benefit.

You try to pretend you are some helpful member, with actual MDE info on hotels or food etc.

What you really are is a trojan horse.

You are here to promote beta behavior for the benefit of putas, just admit it.

You have an agenda, its obvio, adios puta cuck!!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565391]Beautifully stated, and some of the best advice we have seen in here in a long time. I hope he takes it to heart and follows through.[/QUOTE]Everyone in the world and even most members of the Democratic party has run away from Cuomo. Everyone but you Paulie. I even made fun of you and called you Mr. New York, New York because you said Cuomo did such a good job. Do you have any shame? Can you admit your team is wrong about anything?

Here you have this fucker Fauci who may have killed 3 million people, and you are such a Democratic douche that bringing this guy down might, might make Republicans look better and so the Democratic networks like MSNBC tried to save him.

Life or death, and you douches are STILL playing politics.

Among other things, Fauci's emails reveal;.

How he decided to deliberately dismiss the Wuhan lab leak theory early on despite being warned by scientists that the virus looked "engineered".

How he helped out and was thanked by Dr. Peter Daszak, someone with intimate ties to the Wuhan lab, for publicly discrediting the lab leak theory.

How he said face masks were useless because the virus could pass through them before going on to promote the use of face masks.

How Fauci committed perjury by denying he was involved with 'gain of function' research at the Wuhan lab, despite this being documented in the emails.

How Fauci responded to an email from a physicist who tried to warn him that China was engaged in a COVID cover-up with the words "too long for me to read."

How Fauci conspired with Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg to control the narrative on COVID-19.

The irony is that Biden has tuned on you Democratic douches and for that I give him credit. He reversed his decision on looking at the lab leak theory and there was this, "Wallace's (MSNBC) groveling opinion isn't apparently shared by White House officials, who are reportedly preparing for Fauci to make a quiet exit in a bid to avoid further fallout from the emails".

3 million dead, millions sick and all you talk is about politics. You are a sick fuck, Paulie.

And as another day goes by, there is yet another record number of cases in Colombia. It is fucking pathetic and you still won't shut up about politics.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2565463]Since you referenced Germany a lot in your post, (1) how many Germans IN TOTAL have had vaccine-related problems?; (2) how many Germans have received at least one dose of vaccine?; and (3) what is the percentage of problems vs. Number of doses administered?[/QUOTE]My guess is that your point is that the number of side effects in comparison to the total number of injections is tiny.

The problem with your analysis is that you are assuming that "vaccine problems" are known. You do not get that a major issue with the vaccines are blood clots, and they often need expensive diagnostic testing to be revealed. Furthermore, blood clots can cause almost any symptom there is. There are not double blind placebo controlled studies going on to show what are truly side effects from the vaccine and what is just naturally occurring.

I got the vaccine and advocate most people doing so, but there is a case to be made for certain people not to get the vaccine like those who have previously had Covid. Not all people who are anti-vaccine are stupid.

The vaccine has been a Godsend, and we are really, really fucking lucky it has worked as well it has. And Thank God Colombia is now rolling out more of it, but the risks are still unknown, and the benefits for certain subsets of the population is miniscule.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565435]

Then after the election, variants devastate the UK, India, and Brazil, and all of a sudden citizen compliance is not a thing anymore. Yeah, AFTER Trump was out of office, THEN variants mattered.

You think I want a dialogue with you, you arrogant windbag? Forget it. I want you to shut up and quit doling out stupid medical advice. [/QUOTE]Here is the good news: you have never had a dialogue with me, You have been having a dialogue with the voices in your head otherwise you wouldn't be attributing words and whole arguments to me that I never said or made. Its also the voices in your head that drive your compulsive need to changing the subject all the time to things I never mentioned. The only thing I ever said about variants was that was what I was trying to keep up with for information.

Then you said that there was a conspiracy within the medical community to not mention variants between march 2020 and December 2020 and then I supplied you with several articles that had mentioned variant strains during that period of time, so you changed the subject. And then you pulled out some info form some of those articles and made some argument based on nothing I said. I only said that I was trying to keep up with the information.

Second: I did not give anyone medical advise, I provided links to the most respected medical institutions, unlike posts where people were throwing up information with no links to back it up. Then who ever reads the links also has that information. Free to make an informed decision. They can say in their head "Do I listen to the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic or do I listen to some guy in a sex guide forum?

You are free to state that disagree with with these medical institutions but as far as you wanting to censure me "to shut up and quit doling out stupid medical advice" I did not serve 6 years in the military so some paranoid want-to-be tyrant could censure me.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565588]Here is the good news: you have never had a dialogue with me, You have been having a dialogue with the voices in your head otherwise you wouldn't be attributing words and whole arguments to me that I never said or made. Its also the voices in your head that drive your compulsive need to changing the subject all the time to things I never mentioned. The only thing I ever said about variants was that was what I was trying to keep up with for information.

Then you said that there was a conspiracy within the medical community to not mention variants between march 2020 and December 2020 and then I supplied you with several articles that had mentioned variant strains during that period of time, so you changed the subject. And then you pulled out some info form some of those articles and made some argument based on nothing I said. I only said that I was trying to keep up with the information.

Second: I did not give anyone medical advise, I provided links to the most respected medical institutions, unlike posts where people were throwing up information with no links to back it up. Then who ever reads the links also has that information..[/QUOTE]Understand, you are interacting with a guy who claims to have known I was in atrial fibrillation before anyone had done as much as take my pulse. Of course he made his diagnosis after I posted that I had spent a night in ICU because of atrial fibrillation. Somehow, as I was driving (I'll let him tell you where exactly I was driving and what date) he detected from more than 1,000 miles away, without having made any contact with me (by any method I'm aware of. He obviously has special powers), that I was briefly in atrial fibrillation. What bothers me the most, isn't his invasion of my privacy, by magically detecting my vital signs, it's that he didn't take a moment to magically tell me that I was experiencing atrial fibrillation.

If you have those magical powers, shouldn't you use them for the greater good rather than sharing that you knew about it 2 months later? That's just rude.

I've decided to stop seeing my doctors. I'll just post something like "I have a small discoloration on my right leg" and wait for the Dr. Elvirus diagnosis.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565435]Once again, Mojo Brainless, you do not even read your own articles. This is from November 2.

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-02/What-are-mutated-strains-of-COVID-19-and-are-they-important--V4tFNb82pq/index.html[/URL]

"It's really important to keep in mind that most of these mutations do not affect the virus at all," molecular epidemiologist, Emma Hodcroft, told CGTN Europe.

"I must stress at this point that there is currently nothing to suggest that the variant is more likely to cause serious disease.".[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-fauci-covid/2021/06/03/id/1023819/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/robert-redfield-wuhan-wiv-virologist/2021/06/03/id/1023782/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565341]Cane, what is it with you Democratic douches that you criticize the source as opposed to get the facts right?[/QUOTE]It's funny to hear a Trumptard and defender of the right going on about "the facts". The facts don't seem to matter when it's your trusted sources (more like untrustworthy) willing to spin them for their own ends, or simply deny or ignore them altogether. How many times has it been easily established with Trump's own videoed and recorded words what he said or did or lied about? Like in that little interview with Bob Woodward about how he lied to the American people about how dangerous COVID-19 is? Alternative facts? The facts are the facts! We must start with the man in the mirror.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2565621]The reality is that after more than 50 police murders of civilians over the recent weeks of protests, the govt has finally realised that no one gives a shlt about covid here. People would rather take their chances w a virus that only kills compromised and old people, than have their businesses ruined or starve to death.

Colombians want to get on with their lives, fuck the conservative over-cautious lockdowns. Yes, cases are higher than ever, and old and sick people should be cuatious. But the rest do not need to suffer.[/QUOTE]Once you remove the old and the compromised then the young and the uncompromised are the ones in intensive care. We've been experiencing that in the last 6 to 8 weeks, and its finally dropping again as we are have 60 plus percent with vaccinations. Our cases had become mostly the British variant, rapidly moving to the Indian variant. Both are a lot more contagious (read more airborne probably). And while a lot of the young people on respirators eventually recovered it was a very very tough time. With enough deaths as well.

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation. On that I think we agree. The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565575]Everyone in the world and even most members of the Democratic party has run away from Cuomo. Everyone but you Paulie. I even made fun of you and called you Mr. New York, New York because you said Cuomo did such a good job. Do you have any shame? Can you admit your team is wrong about anything?

Here you have this fucker Fauci who may have killed 3 million people, and you are such a Democratic douche that bringing this guy down might, might make Republicans look better and so the Democratic networks like MSNBC tried to save him.

Life or death, and you douches are STILL playing politics.

Among other things, Fauci's emails reveal;.

How he decided to deliberately dismiss the Wuhan lab leak theory early on despite being warned by scientists that the virus looked "engineered"..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/02/15/968059128/fauci-awarded-1-million-israeli-prize-for-speaking-truth-to-power-amid-pandemic[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2565549]Jajajaaa.

I was walking in Bogota one day and some really hot chick, screamed out a passing car "I Love YOu" jajaa.[/QUOTE]I thought woowww that's weird I thought nobody speaks English here LOL.

No you weren't. You've previously stated that you've never been to Colombia. Anyone who has been walking around in Bogota recognizes how unlikely that claim is.

[QUOTE]I don't have hours a day to waste arguing with you, so I will put you on ignore, besides I don't type well.

I don't sit in the bsmt chugging caffeine bombarding ISG with your drivel, what's the axiom?

If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit, that was written with your kind in mind!![/QUOTE]You don't have time to respond to me, but you take the time to respond to tell me you don't have time? I'm calling bullshit on that one. What you don't have is any experience mongering and you would rather not be reminded of it.

[QUOTE]I will repeat there is very little variation in putas, a puta is a puta is a puta!!

Some dress nicer than others! That's about it.[/QUOTE]Spoken like someone who has never had sex with an actual woman. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes in the company of women knows they are all different. Even the same ones are different from day to day.

[QUOTE]Arent you the fool that said he attended some meeting with the National police in Colombia to discuss puta rights?

So you are that feminist in his bsmt in the northwoods of Canada that loves giving webcam putas your money, isn't that you?[/QUOTE]That reading comprehension thing is tripping you up again. I attended several seminars for webcam models. At one seminar a member of the national police spoke about the issue of bullying which many webcam models experience. I attended the seminars each week, had no say about the content and guest speakers and was mainly there to become familiar with the people I was working with.

And to further burst your bubble, I don't have a basement, don't live in Canada and haven't spent money on webcams for about 4 years. It loses its appeal when you spend 20-30 hours a week sitting 10 feet away from where the webcam models are broadcasting, while telling them what to do and answering all their PMs.

[QUOTE]1st you say they don't buy knock offs from China, then you say they just buy them here, because they are made here.

Yes someone did say he bought VS panties, for like $10 for 5 pairs.[/QUOTE]First off, "here" implies that you're in Medellin. You aren't. You never have been and were completely unaware of the city's connection to the textile industry. Secondly, you've missed the point entirely. It's been reported many times about the various items that guys are buying for the hookers in Medellin. Or do you believe that all those iPhone 12's are Chinese knockoffs?

The subject of Colombians buying fake fashion labels is a very public running joke in Medellin. Facebook is full of memes poking fun at the practice.

[QUOTE]You are so silly I or anyone else would be a fool to engage you further, PN probably makes more sense with his childish fictional tales.[/QUOTE]So you are calling yourself a fool now? Not only have you constantly engaged me, you've even PM'ed me. As for PN he's been to Medellin. There have been at least a few people who can vouch for him. There are several people who have already vouched for me. Who is going to step up and vouch for you?

[QUOTE]I suspect you are here to do anything you can do to promote feminism on the board.

Like defend those that get overcharged, I'm sure you love when they get more pesos, and.

Fools pay for CFS including CBJ, like you, you literally couldn't pay me to accept that, EVER.

You are just as culpable with your complicity regarding those that get overcharged for the untold damage they do to this hobby and community, you try to defend them in anyway you can.[/QUOTE]And yet I've never promoted feminism on this board. Considering how long I've been here it seems like I would have started on that agenda by now.

I have no need to defend anyone who gets overcharged or who overpays, because there's no such thing. It's a fallacy created by scared, weak boys. Prostitution is a business agreement between 2 or more persons. Each arrangement is unique. While there are common rates, there's no one size fits all. To believe there is shows you have no experience. If you want cookie cutter sex there are plenty of options where you know the price before you walk in the door. If you prefer to do things your own way, there are going to be variations. Why should everyone limit themselves to your lack of imagination?

[QUOTE]Especially making the asinine comment that.

There's a class of girls rarely seen by any gringo, because very few gringos know where to find them.

Bullshit, you are just trying to feed their fantasies, and allow them to continue to be sodomized by these barrio cucarachas / putas.[/QUOTE]Again you show your lack of experience. There are easily 100 nightclubs in Medellin which have never been mentioned on ISG. There are several areas of Medellin which rarely see any gringos. Are you so naive to believe there is no prostitution going on there? Most gringos don't go there because it's outside of their knowledge. They can find everything they want in whichever area they choose to frequent.

[QUOTE]You know, I know as does everyone else, what your agenda is.

Promote condoms and sky is the limit on pesos given, "because some are goddesses" jajaajaaaaaaaaaa.

I've don't many $500 putas, yes I fell for that BS myself, 18 yo blonde hair blue eyed gorgeous 10, no tattoos or babies.[/QUOTE]I'm not certain what you're trying to say here. I only have 1 agenda, to enjoy my life. Along the way, I try to help others enjoy their lives. You should try it sometime. It's a much better way to spend your time than throwing constant temper tantrums.

I don't promote condoms, I use them. My choice, my dick, my money and my business. I can understand why you wouldn't use them. Your mother would be confused to find condom packages in the trash when you've never brought a woman home.

Personally, I've never paid $500 for a prostitute. However, if that's what someone else is spending, that's their business.

[QUOTE]I'm here to state unequivocally they aren't any better than a $5 puta.

I'm all about service, putas are analogous to porn IMO.

You can watch a $50 a month website or you can watch the same scenes on PH, same with webcam putas.[/QUOTE]You've made it quite obvious that the closest you've ever been to a puta is watching porn. Again, that's your and your mother's business. It just seems strange you would spend so much time on ISG talking about things you've never done.

[QUOTE]I'm going to hit ignore now.[/QUOTE]I doubt your sincerity, but I can understand running and hiding after you've been exposed as nothing more than empty words.

[QUOTE]I'm guessing you will continue to ramble diarrhea out of your mouth via the keyboard.

I don't read your posts anymore but what do you call putas? *****s? Hookers? Angels?

Do you respect them? Do you admire them? Lets hear it for everyone.[/QUOTE]Why ask a question when you say you won't read the answer?

Do I respect them? I respect everyone to the limit that they deserve respect. What type of person would pay to spend time with someone they have no respect for? You would have to have no self-esteem whatsoever if you're willing to give money to someone you abhor to have sex with you.

[QUOTE]Well I should show you what they do to me, tongue fuck my ass, I fuck them in the ass, ATM, then they swallow all my jizz.

All for a couple pesos, I respect that cost / benefit.[/QUOTE]Yes, you should show us all what they do to you. Except you can't, because not a single one has ever done anything of the sort to you. If they had you wouldn't continue promoting that they are all the same.

[QUOTE]You try to pretend you are some helpful member, with actual MDE info on hotels or food etc.

What you really are is a trojan horse.

You are here to promote beta behavior for the benefit of putas, just admit it.

You have an agenda, its obvio, adios puta cuck!![/QUOTE]I've never needed to pretend I'm a helpful member. The forum contains ample evidence of whether or not I'm helpful.

When you finally get your cherry popped you might understand that anytime you pay someone for sex you are benefitting them. Without customers, prostitutes earn no money. So yes, I guess I am promoting benefitting putas, because I'm helping guys get what they want in Colombia.

So whether it's "alpha" or "beta" behavior to pay for sex, the result is always the same, some girl ends up getting paid for something she usually does for free.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565648]It's funny to hear a Trumptard and defender of the right going on about "the facts".[/QUOTE]He dives into all the wingnut causes without any pause or ever catching a breath. First it was Covid denialism, it's all a worldwide election year conspiracy to defeat Trump, the #s are all faked, anti masks, social distancing and other restrictions. Covid is fake and it all goes away after Nov 3. Then he's on the "stop the steal," stolen election lies, then anti-vaxxer. Now the big campaign is anti-vaxxer for those who have had Covid. Bottom line is he's a lousy American and world citizen, and it's lovely watching his crowd lose, thus all the celebrations in the streets all over the country Saturday after election day. They thought they were the majority but they are not.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2565549].
I will repeat there is very little variation in putas, a puta is a puta is a puta!!

Some dress nicer than others! That's about it.
[/QUOTE]This is what you tell yourself when you're smashing the lady boys from nana plaza huh? "A hole is a hole is a hole!" Jajajaja.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2565702]This is what you tell yourself when you're smashing the lady boys from nana plaza huh? "A hole is a hole is a hole!" Jajajaja.[/QUOTE]The facts are the facts LOL!

This thread is absolutely pathetic. For the love of God, get a damn life. Why don't all of you blow hards partisan hacks stop talking about corrupt and poisonous politics in the USA and go bang some hot chicks in Medellin.

[QUOTE=SubComm;2565708]This thread is absolutely pathetic. For the love of God, get a damn life. Why don't all of you blow hards partisan hacks stop talking about corrupt and poisonous politics in the USA and go bang some hot chicks in Medellin.[/QUOTE]You make a fantastic point! But in our defense, it is written right into the title of the thread, it says "stupid shit".

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565588]Then you said that there was a conspiracy within the medical community to not mention variants between march 2020 and December 2020 and then I supplied you with several articles that had mentioned variant strains during that period of time, so you changed the subject. And then you pulled out some info form some of those articles and made some argument based on nothing I said. I only said that I was trying to keep up with the information.[/QUOTE]The problem with a dumb ass Democratic douche like you is any time the word conspiracy comes up, you act like it is a fictional event. You want conspiracy? Here are two articles that show there was just such a conspiracy.

Let me quote from one of them, [URL]https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/[/URL].

Nature magazine has censored over 1,000 articles at the request of the Chinese government over the past several years, and runs columns sponsored by outside interests. And it seems pretty clear that their recent article, "The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2" is just one more example of their influence. China bought off the head of Harvard's chemistry department, you don't think they could buy off run-of-the-mill research scientists scrambling for tenure and funding and publication? It's absolutely horrific that so many scientists and researchers are taking part in what's really clearly a disinformation campaign orchestrated by the Chinese Communist Party, and willfully spreading a smokescreen about something that's already killed thousands and is projected to kill millions more across the planet.

Got that? The word conspiracy means a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. And you do not think the Chinese communist party would do something like that? My God, you are such a dumb ass.

As for your continued use of reputable scientists, you should read this article that broke wide open the lab leak theory and the "scientists" you Democratic douches insist we bow down to, [URL]https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038[/URL].

And you continue to invoke "scientific" experts and consensus instead of looking at the potential conflict of interest of those who might benefit from a false consensus. Here is a quote.

You might think the SARS2 pandemic would spur virologists to re-evaluate the benefits of gain-of-function research, even to engage the public in their deliberations. But no. Many virologists deride lab escape as a conspiracy theory and others say nothing. They have barricaded themselves behind a Chinese wall of silence which so far is working well to allay, or at least postpone, journalists' curiosity and the public's wrath. Professions that cannot regulate themselves deserve to get regulated by others, and this would seem to be the future that virologists are choosing for themselves.

Let me be clear, Mojo brainless, you do not have the intellectual fortitude to be giving out advice. Even referencing what you think are commonly accepted practices is out of bounds for you because you believe consensus = science instead of data.

The very nature of your argument, conspiracy theory, just shows how brainless you are. You want everyone to believe the Chinese Communist party is incapable of conspiracies? If I wanted to sell you bullshit to use on your face, I would just get some Harvard type to say it does wonder for your skin and you would be off buying tons of it.

Will you read the articles? Of course not. An arrogant windbag like you knows everything all ready.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565712]You make a fantastic point! But in our defense, it is written right into the title of the thread, it says "stupid shit".[/QUOTE]Plus vaccination is a very important subject. Someone (Elvis) got hysterical in the main thread over nothing and the conversation was moved here.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2565702]This is what you tell yourself when you're smashing the lady boys from nana plaza huh? "A hole is a hole is a hole!" Jajajaja.[/QUOTE]You obsession with the LBs is disconcerting you really need to stop projecting, its a bad look.

So a puta is a puta is a puta is something you don't agree with.

Why is that? Do you idolize them? Is that why you let them sodomize you (literally and figuratively)? Let me guess you're one of those mongers that would love to marry one, why?

So you could have 5 daughters, and raise them to be just like their mother?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2565648]It's funny to hear a Trumptard and defender of the right going on about "the facts". The facts don't seem to matter when it's your trusted sources (more like untrustworthy) willing to spin them for their own ends, or simply deny or ignore them altogether. Like in that little interview with Bob Woodward about how he lied to the American people about how dangerous COVID-19 is?[/QUOTE]I am not a partisan hack like you. Trump let the CDC fuck up the early testing process. He did not personally do it, but he did not oversee that and it was a huge blunder given how important it was. He also trusted Chinese President Xi who lied to him. Those were huge mistakes.

As for the rest, I will quote Matt Taibbi's latest piece for an explanation, [URL]https://taibbi.substack.com/p/congratulations-elitists-liberals?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNTkyNzI1MiwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzcxMTgwNDksIl8iOiJUK1orNCIsImlhdCI6MTYyMjc3NjM3NiwiZXhwIjoxNjIyNzc5OTc2LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTA0MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.8cE1VWP2ixwEN0CKn5Lzmbn5F8XWu_BdAXr1yQGOQlE[/URL].

The truth is, Trump conservatives and ACLU-raised liberals like myself, Greenwald, and millions of others do have real common cause, against an epistemic revolution taking hold in America's political and media elite. The traditional liberal approach to the search for truth, which stresses skepticism and free-flowing debate, is giving way to a reactionary movement that Plato himself would have loved, one that believes knowledge is too dangerous for the rabble and must be tightly regulated by a priesthood of "experts. ".

Its only defense is shaming and threats. "You're a MAGA-enabler!" has become the answer to all challenges. (In your case, Cane, you Democratic douche, you called me a Trumptard. You douches are so predictable.).

This fact has led to countless stupidities over the course of the last five years, with no better example than the latest uproar over the "lab leak hypothesis" about the origins of Covid-19.

Without taking any position on whether or not the theory is true, it's undeniable that media professionals denounced the possibility for over a year largely because Donald Trump happened to believe it. Now that conventional wisdom has shifted gears on this story, we have people like ABC's Jon Karl coming out and saying things like, "Some things may be true even if Donald Trump said them. " The way Karl announced that the concept was now discussable was particularly hilarious: "Now, serious people are saying it needs a serious inquiry."

Got that? You are defending a fellow Democratic douche who questioned the source of Mr. E's comment versus seeing what the source was, a conservative site that quoted Fauci's own emails.

I left two articles for Mojo Brainless to read. I know that is something Democratic douches do not like to do. It is so much easier taking marching orders from Rachel Meadow, but maybe you can read those non-partisan articles and independently examine both theories of Covid origin and see which one has more validity. The evidence of the lab leak at this point versus natural origin IMO is overwhelming, and that puts Fauci the Fraud, who dismissed the lab leak theory, in the cross hairs of being canned by Biden. What will Democratic douches do then?

The steam for this is picking up, and the rumblings that Biden is going to can Fauci IMO are going to turn to yelling and soon.

In fact, one of your own Democratic douches, Mojo Brainless, is walking back from Fauci and if an academic boot licker like he is doing it then the writing is on all the wall.

As for the notion that "Some things may be true even if Trump said them", the challenge for you Cane is if you can say that about Tucker Carlson who hangs Fauci out to dry here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp6btJhS66c[/URL].

Sure, there is some partisan hacking by Carlson, but can you say "some things may be true if Tucker Carlson said them?" My bet is on no.

The irony is that the question that started this whole debacle, Should people with natural immunity from Covid be getting the vaccine?, was debated between Rand Paul and Fauci.

For a Democratic douche like you, Cane, that is a Republican hack questioning a venerable scientist. For me, it is asking why a supposed "scientist" is recommending a therapy with known harm and no proven benefit? That Rand Paul, a Republican, asks that question has no bearing to me.

The very notion that you Democratic douches try to sell to us "listen to scientists" falls short when there is no scientific evidence that a treatment is of benefit, that the "scientist" has personal economic benefits for recommending his therapy, and in the case of Fauci, IMO that he is a lying fraud.

That anyone would defend Fauci now is beyond me. That the fucker actually said gain of function research was worth the risk in 2012 should have led to his immediate firing a year ago. It is only due to a conspiracy that he stayed in power as long as he did, a conspiracy the CCP may have formulated.

What is truly amazing to me is how you Democratic douches, who are usually intelligent people, can really be so fucking stupid. Fauci's own emails and his own words before Congress are now a vast right wing conspiracy? Seriously, get your head out of your ass!

[QUOTE=SubComm;2565708]This thread is absolutely pathetic. For the love of God, get a damn life. Why don't all of you blow hards partisan hacks stop talking about corrupt and poisonous politics in the USA and go bang some hot chicks in Medellin.[/QUOTE]SubComm,

Have you got the vaccine? If yes, then by all means, have at it. If not, then you are literally taking your life into your hands. I just talked to my novia in Bogota. I was concerned about flying in and she told me that the area around the airport is safe and the police and military are there and are protecting it. Even then you never know. Rioters may target the airport.

So the simple process of getting laid is not so easy. You have to worry about a deadly, extremely transmissible disease, and you have to worry about being caught up in a riot that as one person on here described might lead to your end.

As for why I am bitching about it, the reason is this forum is full of Democratic douches who advocated all the brainless activity that the Colombian government engaged in. The Colombian government implemented a plan that "scientists" and the CDC would have loved to have implemented in the USA, such as a full lockdown and travel ban that prevented guys like you from getting laid. Meanwhile, not one of these douches is acknowledging the horrific mistakes Colombia made by listening to these so called "scientists".

I would be hard pressed to find three more stupid things than the travel ban, PCR testing upon entry, and closing of beaches in Colombia. And as Mojo said, and we are in rare agreement about this, it is more than appropriate to vent and ***** about stupid things in Colombia in a stupid things thread.

[QUOTE=SubComm;2565708]This thread is absolutely pathetic. For the love of God, get a damn life. Why don't all of you blow hards partisan hacks stop talking about corrupt and poisonous politics in the USA and go bang some hot chicks in Medellin.[/QUOTE]It would be preferable for a pretty paisa to "blow hard" on my dick!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565601]Understand, you are interacting with a guy who claims to have known I was in atrial fibrillation before anyone had done as much as take my pulse. Of course he made his diagnosis after I posted that I had spent a night in ICU because of atrial fibrillation. Somehow, as I was driving (I'll let him tell you where exactly I was driving and what date) he detected from more than 1,000 miles away, without having made any contact with me (by any method I'm aware of. He obviously has special powers), that I was briefly in atrial fibrillation. What bothers me the most, isn't his invasion of my privacy, by magically detecting my vital signs, it's that he didn't take a moment to magically tell me that I was experiencing atrial fibrillation.

If you have those magical powers, shouldn't you use them for the greater good rather than sharing that you knew about it 2 months later? That's just rude.

I've decided to stop seeing my doctors. I'll just post something like "I have a small discoloration on my right leg" and wait for the Dr. Elvirus diagnosis.[/QUOTE]God, you are fucking stupid. You actually were put on a pulse oximeter. Those monitor your pulse and your pulse was irregular and rapid. That is what your nurse noticed. It is the only thing that would be on a pulse oximeter that would warrant the response she did. In the first instance of atrial fibrillation, the standard of care is to admit somebody to a hospital to rule out a heart attack which is what happened with you. And the most common cause of atrial fibrillation is coronary artery disease not Covid, you dumb shit. Of course, that did not stop you from lecturing everyone here on the dangers of Covid.

If your doctors had any brains, they would order an echocardiogram and measure the left atrium, and I suspect they did. If it is enlarged, you are probably still in the rhythm. If not, you probably are not.

But you are so fucking stupid that you have this relatively common condition and you turned into this Democratic douche post about the dangers of Covid and how people who were in the hospital with you were dying. Despite HIPAA and patient confidentiality, you knew the condition of everyone in the hospital. On top of that, you missed the entire point which is with Covid being in the news non stop then everyone worried about that and no one was worried about conditions like the one you have / had.

And your thinking that medical deduction is actually magical powers? Yeah, what else is new? The irony is that you want to argue about this. You are so fucking stupid you think you have something to teach.

You would think you would learn to shut up you fucking bird brain, but that assumes you have the power to learn and clearly you do not, and that is why you are such a Democratic douche: intelligent but without one speck of common sense.

Colombia did everything Fauci and all the other "scientists" advised them to and look at the fucking mess it is in now. Any mea culpa from you or any of you Democratic douches? Anything about what a lying piece of shit Fauci is? Any more about how jobs come back and lives do not? Any other bold economic predictions? You want to applaud the Colombian government for the travel ban, shutting down the beaches, and the PCR tests?

The #1 rule in my medicine Dr. JJBirdbrain is "do no harm". Was that rule followed here?

Yeah, I do not want answers to the questions by the way. There is nothing you could say that interests me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565714] any time the word conspiracy comes up, you act like it is a fictional event. .[/QUOTE]You plainly said "I do not recall you or anyone else mentioning any variants when Trump was in office. The only reason the USA was #1 in cases was not due to virus variance but Trump's incompetence right? Is that why your "independent family" has only been studying them the last few months? It is almost like the scientific community got together and decided not to mention viral variances until he was out of office. ".

So I plainly took a sample of the many many articles that mentioned the variants during the time you claimed no one did, I never said all conspiracies were fiction, just yours! But lets look at this again.

You said "I do not recall you or anyone else mentioning any variants when Trump was in office. It is almost like the scientific community got together and decided not to mention viral variances until he was out of office".

I said: I call bullshit.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-...udy/a-54034723[/URL] (March 2020.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32357545/[/URL] (April).

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/3085752001/[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ew-coronavirus[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://medium.com/swlh/variants-lin...s-7a71a0e699d7[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...earch/12218834[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=70535183[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/cad0013/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-eve...-mutation.html[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...study/2292119/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-...study/6254953/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...810v1.full.pdf[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biospace.com/article/mut...re-contagious/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc13.com/coronavirus-covid-...uston/6300460/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...244093332.html[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://scitechdaily.com/global-covi...rain-of-virus/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/wh...vid-19-mutates[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/...tious-1.892276[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...auses-covid-19[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ore-infectious[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-...%2930877-1.pdf[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://khn.org/morning-breakout/mor...n-based-study/[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://translational-medicine.biome[/URL] 67-020-02535-1 (September).

[URL]https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/A...vaccines-study[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://news.utexas.edu/2020/10/30/c...re-contagious/[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27E2RS[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-...3-5c4e67ead110[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=3939e7735ed3[/URL] (November).

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11...2pq/index.html[/URL] (November).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565805]God, you are fucking stupid. You actually were put on a pulse oximeter. Those monitor your pulse and your pulse was irregular and rapid. That is what your nurse noticed. It is the only thing that would be on a pulse oximeter that would warrant the response she did. In the first instance of atrial fibrillation, the standard of care is to admit somebody to a hospital to rule out a heart attack which is what happened with you. And the most common cause of atrial fibrillation is coronary artery disease not Covid, you dumb shit. Of course, that did not stop you from lecturing everyone here on the dangers of Covid.

If your doctors had any brains, they would order an echocardiogram and measure the left atrium, and I suspect they did. If it is enlarged, you are probably still in the rhythm. If not, you probably are not.

But you are so fucking stupid that you have this relatively common condition and you turned into this Democratic douche post about the dangers of Covid and how people who were in the hospital with you were dying. Despite HIPAA and patient confidentiality, you knew the condition of everyone in the hospital. On top of that, you missed the entire point which is with Covid being in the news non stop then everyone worried about that and no one was worried about conditions like the one you have / had.

And your thinking that medical deduction is actually magical powers? Yeah, what else is new? The irony is that you want to argue about this. You are so fucking stupid you think you have something to teach.

You would think you would learn to shut up you fucking bird brain, but that assumes you have the power to learn and clearly you do not, and that is why you are such a Democratic douche: intelligent but without one speck of common sense.

Colombia did everything Fauci and all the other "scientists" advised them to and look at the fucking mess it is in now. Any mea culpa from you or any of you Democratic douches? Anything about what a lying piece of shit Fauci is? Any more about how jobs come back and lives do not? Any other bold economic predictions? You want to applaud the Colombian government for the travel ban, shutting down the beaches, and the PCR tests?

The #1 rule in my medicine Dr. JJBirdbrain is "do no harm". Was that rule followed here?

Yeah, I do not want answers to the questions by the way. There is nothing you could say that interests me.[/QUOTE]I'm rather surprised that you are so "liberal" with respect to calling other people stupid. Let me see. Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing and you were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths. Do you remember that? I believe JjBee62 was in shock and offered.

To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you). You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.

Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember? You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar. Seems that any person who was honest and rational would have done that automatically. But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match. For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.

View the insanity of your position.

Sweden has had over 1 million cases. Just over 10% of the population has had CoVid.

Denmark. Only about 5% of the population has had CoVid.

Norway only about 2. 3% of the population has had CoVid.

Finland only about 1. 7% of the population has had CoVid.

Someone who was versed in the scientific method or perhaps just a rational person with common sense would say your argument about Sweden was silly and dishonest.

So, I'm going to stop here. Because your list of silly arguments and even sillier supporting statements are just laughable or sad. Take your pick.

But seriously, I don't think you should be calling other people stupid until you've taken a good look in the mirror.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]I'm rather surprised that you are so "liberal" with respect to calling other people stupid. Let me see. Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing and you were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths. Do you remember that? I believe JjBee62 was in shock and offered.

To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you). You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.

Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember? You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar. Seems that any person who was honest and rational would have done that automatically. But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match. For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.
.[/QUOTE]It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take. This while Sweden's death total (14,485) is 18 plus times that of their neighbor Norway (785) while having only double the population. This represents 1000's of needless deaths as the effective vaccines are now here. So bravo to all who stood up for truth against viral wingnut medical disinformation regarding life and death matters. You are good Americans and good world citizens. Same goes for those who cast ballots to remove the chief propagator of the lies, the former POTUS.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]I'm rather surprised that you are so "liberal" with respect to calling other people stupid. Let me see. Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing and you were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths. Do you remember that? I believe JjBee62 was in shock and offered.

To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you). You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.

Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember? You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar. Seems that any person who was honest and rational would have done that automatically. But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match. For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to..[/QUOTE]I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? I will take the under on that bet anytime. " So I offered the bet, 5 or 6 times. Eventually he replied that he never accepted the bet. Honesty isn't ElPipi's forte.

As always he exaggerates or lies about anything. For example, while I was in ICU, the person in the next room had Covid. I don't know about anyone else in the hospital, nor did I claim to know the status of anyone else. My report was to list the Covid precautions the hospital was taking from direct observation, rather than the standard "a friend of a friend told me. " Later, after I had been released for some time, I found out the person in the next room had died from Covid. I found this out when I found out that my cousin's husband had died. Which led to me discovering he had been in the room next to me. No convoluted conspiracy needed. I have a relative who works in the hospital, she worked ICU the day I was there and she informed her mother, who informed me, that our rooms were next to each other. No HIPAA violation needed. I could hear the nurse's conversation in the hall, so was aware that some unknown person had Covid. The obituary and my relatives confirmed the identity of the deceased.

But of course, in the mind of Elmenos, that means I had full access to every medical record in the hospital.

As for my A-Fib, at the time it was discovered, I was experiencing no symptoms whatsoever. I felt fine. I had scheduled the test because of a persistent cough, 4 weeks earlier. So the first time anyone knew about the A-Fib was when the nurse discovered it and told me. Thus ElVenous' claim that he knew about it before I did is, surprise, more absolute bullshit from him, since nobody knew about it before the nurse and I, and I didn't post about it until just a few days later.

His pattern of behavior constantly repeats. He throws out conspiracy theories like he's tossing out beads at Mardi Gras. Whenever someone provides proof that he's full of shit, he backtracks, moves the goalposts, tosses out more conspiracy and drifts off on multiple tangents. Nearly every claim he has ever made he has contradicted himself, usually several times. His record on masks and social distancing sounds like "Louie, Louie" with the needle skipping.

As for his constant insistence on calling me stupid, not only does it show a lack of imagination, but I've offered him another wager. I long ago offered to pay for airfare and testing, standard aptitude tests by a professional. The lowest score pays all the expenses plus $1,000 to the winner. He seems to be uncertain about the outcome, because he runs and hides every time I make the offer. Just like he ran and hid for 3 months after the US death toll exceeded 80,000.

I guess bravery is another quality he lacks.

BTW lunch on me at Pan Salud in 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565601]Understand, you are interacting with a guy who claims to have known I was in atrial fibrillation before anyone had done as much as take my pulse. Of course he made his diagnosis after I posted that I had spent a night in ICU because of atrial fibrillation. Somehow, as I was driving (I'll let him tell you where exactly I was driving and what date) he detected from more than 1,000 miles away, without having made any contact with me (by any method I'm aware of. He obviously has special powers), that I was briefly in atrial fibrillation. What bothers me the most, isn't his invasion of my privacy, by magically detecting my vital signs, it's that he didn't take a moment to magically tell me that I was experiencing atrial fibrillation.

If you have those magical powers, shouldn't you use them for the greater good rather than sharing that you knew about it 2 months later? That's just rude.

I've decided to stop seeing my doctors. I'll just post something like "I have a small discoloration on my right leg" and wait for the Dr. Elvirus diagnosis.[/QUOTE]"Elvirus"! Too funny! Elvirus! LOLOLOL!

[URL]https://youtu.be/78StTWsq9ag[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565714]The problem with a dumb ass Democratic douche like you .[/QUOTE]Does it seriously not matter to you how many times I tell you that I am a registered independent, the first time I ever registered to vote I registered as a Republican, among other reasons was because I was in the military and wanted to vote for people who were not going to cut the funding. It was during the Iraqi war debacle when they started invoking Stop-loss and sending soldiers for multiple tours that I soured on how much they actually respected the military.

Your fragile little two dimensional mind cannot conceive of people being independents. Over one third of the country is independents. We outnumber both the Democrats and the Republicans as a group and yet in your feeble little ideologically driven brain that is so consumed by your petty emotions that generate paranoia over sanity and reason. We do not exist?

[URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/03/14/political-independents-who-they-are-what-they-think/[/URL]

I personally cannot get behind the complete agenda of either major party and fucking crazier than batshit ideologues like you is one of the reasons. The left has their share of crazies also and I do not want to join either club. I would rather think originally and pragmatically. Independently! I tell you that I am an independent and and only in the voices in your crazy head say that am I a Democrat. Proof that you are batshit crazy! This really demonstrates why you are a simple minded twit, your mind cannot comprehend that everything is not black and white. I disagree with you because you are obviously batshit crazy. Let me keep reminding you how batshit crazy you are:

Exhibit Number one in the case that you are batshit crazy: you said in post #1158 "That is the crazy thing about this virus. There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media. ".

And yet if anyone did a reality check they would find this:

[URL]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/[/URL] (March 2020).

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-...udy/a-54034723[/URL] (March 2020.).

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/[/URL] (March 2020).

[URL]https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200331/Eight-strains-of-coronavirus-afflicting-the-world.aspx[/URL] (March 2020).

[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1756700[/URL] (Apr 2020).

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf[/URL] (Apr 2020).

[URL]https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12967-020-02344-6[/URL] (April 2020).

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32357545/[/URL] (April).

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/3085752001/[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ew-coronavirus[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://medium.com/swlh/variants-lin...s-7a71a0e699d7[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...earch/12218834[/URL] (May 2020).

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=70535183[/URL] (May).

[URL]https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/cad0013/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-eve...-mutation.html[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...study/2292119/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-...study/6254953/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...810v1.full.pdf[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://www.biospace.com/article/mut...re-contagious/[/URL] (June 2020).

[URL]https://abc13.com/coronavirus-covid-...uston/6300460/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...244093332.html[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://scitechdaily.com/global-covi...rain-of-virus/[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/wh...vid-19-mutates[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/...tious-1.892276[/URL] (July).

[URL]https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...auses-covid-19[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-singapore-research/singapore-scientists-find-coronavirus-variant-with-milder-infections-idUSKBN25H0O1[/URL] (August 2020).

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ore-infectious[/URL] (August).

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.28.271163v1.full.pdf[/URL] (August 2020).

[URL]https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-...%2930877-1.pdf[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://khn.org/morning-breakout/mor...n-based-study/[/URL] (September).

[URL]https://translational-medicine.biome[/URL] 67-020-02535-1 (September).

[URL]https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/A...vaccines-study[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://news.utexas.edu/2020/10/30/c...re-contagious/[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27E2RS[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-...3-5c4e67ead110[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php[/URL] (October).

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=3939e7735ed3[/URL] (November).

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11...2pq/index.html[/URL] (November).

Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2565677]Once you remove the old and the compromised then the young and the uncompromised are the ones in intensive care. We've been experiencing that in the last 6 to 8 weeks, and its finally dropping again as we are have 60 plus percent with vaccinations. Our cases had become mostly the British variant, rapidly moving to the Indian variant. Both are a lot more contagious (read more airborne probably). And while a lot of the young people on respirators eventually recovered it was a very very tough time. With enough deaths as well.

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation. On that I think we agree. The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.[/QUOTE]

I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do.

If you saw two people like I did who have had reactions to the vaccine like I did, it was horrible. I have seen other stupid things like the calling for putting people on ventilators early on when they were not needed. That was terrible.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause a spike in the antibody levels and the first dose is usually sufficient for immunity. The level of antibodies is probably sufficient with natural immunity. The UK proved that one dose of the vaccine is effective. What is going on is a lot of people who have probably been exposed to Covid have had horrible reactions to the first dose and not the second. They probably have already had Covid antibodies, and it is raising those antibodies to sky high levels where the problems seem to come in.

For people who have not had the virus, it is the second injection that causes the horrific side effects. I really question now whether these second doses, the boosters, are necessary given the side effects.

I am not going to restate all the government fuckups. What pisses me off now is the people who supposedly were trust worthy were not just dead wrong but covering their asses.

Because Rand Paul has gone after Fauci, the Democratic douches response has been to be snide. It is the typical Red-blue, left-right nonsense we all see, and I am sick of it. This is government officials taking our tax dollars, growing super viruses, saying that producing and studying them was worth the risk, and have been trying to cover their asses for the last year. It is not red-blue, left-right. It is good and evil.

I know what the Democratic douche response will be. They will pretend that all their praise of Fauci never happened.

One guy in government in charge of 99% of the grants worth $32 billion. That is fucking crazy, and I wish this was more well known. Scientists have been way more concerned with kissing Fauci's ass than getting to the truth. Until this changes, I recommend you that you look at data yourself versus just taking the advice of "reputable" scholars.

When I go to the doctor, I read the science myself. What I want to know is what he has seen works, what he shares with his colleagues. The Fauci kissing assholes call that anecdotal. In my experience, it is invaluable.

I said way before the studies came out that I was seeing huge rates of transmissions in the home and as you now know the outdoor transmission rates have been miniscule. I think the government knew this and instead of being honest was too interested in CYA than being honest.

What bugs me is no one is addressing the mistakes. China escaped criticism because they were going to withhold PPE if people were critical.

The climate change agenda is being pushed through to advance a socialist cause. The notion is that polling scientists is science not politics.

Here is a report from a person who went to two of those climate change conferences: [URL]https://freemansperspective.com/my-adventures-at-climate-change-central/[/URL].

I heard one speech – in the impressive 'headphone' amphitheater – where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab.

I wonder if the grants for climate research have their own version of Fauci. I would be surprised if they do not. As the author noted above, the record of those pushing climate change is horrific, but no one seems to hold them accountable. It is pretty clear to me that the people who could punch holes in climate change are not getting funded. This is the government version of "science" and it needs to stop.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566099]I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

[b]Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are.[/b] The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do..[/QUOTE]And republikkkanism says we should worship the orange fruitcake no matter how stupid he was / is.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565986]I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? I will take the under on that bet anytime. " So I offered the bet, 5 or 6 times. Eventually he replied that he never accepted the bet. Honesty isn't ElPipi's forte.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha my apologies and thank you for correcting the record. Even saying 200,000 deaths would be the limit would have been ridiculous given the then exected timeline to a vaccine. 80,000 was simply the ranting of an uneducated clown. But as I remember, a certain so called world leader claimed the virus would disappear on its own in a few weeks / months and once the weather turned warm it would all disappear. "like magic".

Of course, that was sheer stupidity at the time since the virus was growing exponentially even in the Southern hemisphere where it was already summer time.

Your on for lunch at SaludPan!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566099]Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. .[/QUOTE]I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566062]Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.[/QUOTE]If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566201]I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?[/QUOTE]You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

I agree that the CDC fkd up. Fauci has been caught out lying so many times this past year. He should be behind bars as a mass murderer.

I am not sure how USA works, but there is no state immunity in countries where I have lived. They can be sued for malpractice, like everyone else. For example they can sued for not causing road accidents if they don't repair roads, same with pavements, same in public healthcare. I am surprised to hear this is not the case in the USA.

I am a leftist. I just think its a difficult discussion to have with USAns bcos what they understand as "leftism" is nowhere near what I think of it. .

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566262]You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565986]I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? [/QUOTE]Oh, that you believe it is true. That I ever made the bet is something you just made up.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565986]So the first time anyone knew about the A-Fib was when the nurse discovered it and told me. Thus ElVenous' claim that he knew about it before I did is, surprise, more absolute bullshit from him, since nobody knew about it before the nurse and I, and I didn't post about it until just a few days later.[/QUOTE]Again, that is what you believe happened. You came on here said you were sick and rambled on about some shit that Covid was dangerous when your had a heart condition. I was not even going to say what was wrong. I actually felt sorry for your ass but when you would not shut up about Covid when you had a heart condition that had nothing to do with Covid, I had enough. I am the first person who mentioned you had a-fib on this forum not you. Got that dumb shit?

How you pull these deranged fantasies out of your ass and call me a liar is astounding. A-fib does cause blood clots to go to the brain and knock out brain cells so maybe that is it.

But there is no point in it. I do not know whether to say you are stupid, have a bad memory from a medical condition, or are full of shit, but then again, does it matter?

You are a typical Democratic douche and you value more who is speaking than what the facts are, and there is no point in having any conversation with you. I will just put you and Paulie back on ignore. Nothing you two say is worth reading anyway.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing[/QUOTE]So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]You were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths.[/QUOTE]Well, JJBee, just said 80,000 but you Democratic douches are not so good with facts.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you).[/QUOTE]That you think betting on how many people dying is a "gentlemen's" wager just shows how sick you really are.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.[/QUOTE]LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?

And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar.[/QUOTE]Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.

I just heard a funny one on CNN the other day where a blowhard said, "Just because Trump said it does not mean it is wrong. " I am sure you have no problem with that.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match.[/QUOTE]Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.[/QUOTE]Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]Just view the insanity of your position.

Sweden has had over 1 million cases. Just over 10% of the population has had CoVid.

Denmark. Only about 5% of the population has had CoVid.

Norway only about 2. 3% of the population has had CoVid.

Finland only about 1. 7% of the population has had CoVid.[/QUOTE]Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Someone who was versed in the scientific method or perhaps just a rational person with common sense would say your argument about Sweden was silly and dishonest.[/QUOTE]The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565983]It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take. This while Sweden's death total (14,485) is 18 plus times that of their neighbor Norway (785) while having only double the population. This represents 1000's of needless deaths as the effective vaccines are now here. It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take.[/QUOTE]Okay, I will bite. What did Sweden do wrong?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember?[/QUOTE]Oh, I remember all right. I am actually proud about being right about those two things.

I guess since you two douches have been watching MSNBC and CNN the whole time you have not kept on things.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stanford-peer-reviewed-study-did-not-find-evidence-lockdowns-were-effective-stopping-covid[/URL]

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?

Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: [URL]https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/[/URL].

It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.

So who is following the scientific method, douche, you and Paulie / Cuomo or Stanford?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2565962]So, I'm going to stop here. Because your list of silly arguments and even sillier supporting statements are just laughable or sad.[/QUOTE]Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: [URL]https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/[/URL].

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. [URL]https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en[/URL].

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2566231]If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566464]Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: [URL]https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/[/URL].

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. [URL]https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en[/URL].

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/opinion/Brazil-covid-children.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566464]Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: [URL]https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/[/URL].

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. [URL]https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en[/URL].

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.[/QUOTE]I'm not certain you're being entirely honest about your intentions.

If you're open to new info, why ask for it on a mongering board? A few seconds with Google will provide much more information, quicker and with the option to verify the data sources at your fingertips.

If you're trying to prevent spreading of false information, why say "No risk" when you mean "very little risk?" Why assume that death is the only risk associated with Covid?

Hospitalization is a risk. Missing a few weeks of work is a risk. Long term complications are risks. Those risks apply to everyone, regardless of age group or risk factors. They're obviously not the same for everyone, but the risks are still there.

My recommendation is to determine your own personal risks, decide which risks apply to you (for instance, if you don't work, missing a few weeks of work might not be a risk which concerns you). Then decide what you will do and where you will do it.

This avoids all the bickering about what is happening in Canada or North Korea or any place where you don't intend to go.

At least on this board, concerns should be about what is happening in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566464]Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: [URL]https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/[/URL].

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. [URL]https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en[/URL].

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.[/QUOTE]That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.

*thumbsup* I am in Sta Marta and it honestly feels like COVID is over. It clearly is not, but no one really cares anymore. Most people have already had the virus (suspected), so people go about their business like it is a normal day now.

People wear masks around their necks in case the police come looking for tips. Shop and restaurant staff need to wear masks to operate legally. Thats about all here now.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2566547]That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.[/QUOTE]It is very rare that you make one and only one coherent argument. Usually you are all over the place but the crux of the issue was that you predicted less than 80,000 deaths from CoVid in the US.

Here is a fact for you. We're over 600,000. You were wrong. I misremembered the number at issue as 200,000 that would have been ridicously wrong as well. That is what happened and my political affiliation didn't impact those facts one bit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?
And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci. [/QUOTE]The dispute centered around the number of deaths expected from CoVid in the US. I guess the interesting part was you had your usual opinion based on whatever, but you knew you were full of it and weren't willing to back it up with a wager. No biggie. Maybe you couldn't afford the wager. Maybe you knew your opinion was full of cow droppings. Who knows what goes on inside your head.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.
Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to. [/QUOTE]Now you're lying. You said Sweden would reach herd immunity very quickly and the results would show how the Elvis / Sweden approach was superior. You cited a comparison to Belgium to 'lend support' to your specious argument. Hey it's OK. I can see you never took classes in debate or statistics or logic. But why would a used car salesman take classes like that? Slinging the bull is much better, right?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.[/QUOTE]Well their approach to handling the virus was inept. Compare their results with those of their neighbors who took a much more cautious approach. The difference in results are striking.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.[/QUOTE]Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.[/QUOTE]I don't really know Paulie but if he thinks you are a windbag then I have to say I respect his judgement.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stanford-peer-reviewed-study-did-not-find-evidence-lockdowns-were-effective-stopping-covid[/URL]

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?[/QUOTE]Oh of course, I read every blog on the internet trying to find one that supports my nutty theories.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: [URL]https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I did read the study and a few things stand out. One it was conducted in part by the Department of Epidemiology which, of course, makes sense. I must say I'm surprised you didn't find an article authored in part by the Department of Ophthalmology. You seem to think that background is more germaine. I'm sure you glossed by this but the study was done early in 2020. I wonder if the subsequent evidence would reach the same conclusion. BTW the article also said:

""In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits. " With a year or more of results and a better understanding of how viral infections are spread, you might want to look at The WHO recommendations instead. They are more up to date.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.[/QUOTE]The evidence points to a different conclusion. Are you familiar with Worldometer (or is that a Democratic conspiracy website as well?) ? You can review the results of various countries and see if you still think Sweden did an effective job.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566418]Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.[/QUOTE]Sure thing bud. I'll stop. But first let me educate you on a simple fact that you haven't yet grasped. And it is an important one. Just because someone is a Democrat or a Socialist or a Leftist or whatever pejorative term you want to use, that doesn't mean they aren't smarter than you are. It doesn't mean that they aren't right. Calling someone a Democratic douche doesn't make your argument valid. If anything it suggests you have been outwitted and can't find anything but insults to validate your opinion. I'll wait for your rebuttal thesis because if there is one thing everyone here has learned. Elvis will not stop without having the last word.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2565677]I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.[/QUOTE]Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2565677]As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: [URL]https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-who-cried-wolf/48738/[/URL].

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2565677]The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.[/QUOTE]Okay, Zeos, you are Canadian and so I cannot call you a Democratic douche, but you need to keep up. This was one of the rare times the New York Times called out the CDC and got it right, [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.html[/URL].

It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of see. The. See. Officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.

That benchmark "seems to be a huge exaggeration," as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0. 1 percent.

So tell me, Zeos, if outdoor transmission is so rare, wouldn't locking people inside make it more likely the virus spreads? Lockdowns were not retarded. They were fucking retarded.

A more interesting thing involved social distancing. Where I saw social distancing used the most was in stores, in lines ETC, they were worthless because transmission usually involves people talking to each other for longer than 15 minutes. And where is that most likely to happen?

Well, one study showed 75% of the cases of virus were spread in the home. So if social distancing should have used anywhere, it was in the home. Social distancing may have worked but not in the way the governments employed it.

Again, we just had the Democratic douches on this forum show they are faith based, anti-scientific, arrogant blowhards that have bought hook, line, and sinker what the so called "experts" were saying at the beginning of the crisis. Don't be like them. The arrogant Democratic douche method of listening to the "scientists" is done. Right now, the Democratic douches still do not believe how corrupt and self-serving the "scientists" were. They will get it. Eventually, what is on Fox now will filter to CNN and MSNBC. The polls here already show a loss of faith in the experts by the public.

In the beginning, I thought Fauci was just an incompetent but well intentioned blowhard. I did not think he was an arrogant evil piece of shit who deserves to be put in jail. Now I do. He has committed enough perjury that he can be prosecuted. I had heard that he may have been partially responsible for the whole epidemic, but I did not really believe it. With the recently released emails, to me, it is a near certainty.

As for the Chinese, I thought any notion that they would have released the virus on purpose was totally absurd. Now looking at what happened with so many cases in the USA versus in China. I am not sure. I do not think they released it on purpose, but it is not ridiculous to say they did so. It is more accurate now IMO to say it was improbable. I am a true believer in incompetence over conspiracy, however I am seeing very clearly how China could have benefitted from releasing the virus, and I do not like it. Not at all. The Chinese Communist Party behaved horribly, and the world is catching on to how they truly behaved. The CCP has been using racism to deflect those attacks, but soon that is not going to work. We need to start looking at the CCP in the same light as we do the mafia.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2566582]Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what it's called.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566598]Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.

Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: [URL]https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-who-cried-wolf/48738/[/URL].

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around...[/QUOTE]Once again, you don't have a clue.

"Lockdowns" were used to "buy time". Without any lockdowns whatsoever, hospitals would have been overrun quickly and MORE people would have died.

It is an unfortunate fact that even during a lockdown, people leave their dwellings for a multitude of reasons. During any one of these sojurns, a person could get COVID. How they get it is irrelevant. Coupled with the fact that many South Americans live in cramped quarters in multigenerational households, one person can infect 10.

Wearing masks works (buy only when everybody wears them correctly). Distancing works and so does hand washing. The combo works very well but only when it is consistent. If only 50% of the population take 50% of the precautions, everybody loses. Look at the US. Almost 600,000 people have died. Most Republicans refuse to do the right thing so everybody loses. Maybe the solution is to vaccinate only Dems and Independents and let Republicans pound sand.

To say Fauci is incompetent is, well, incompetent. You act as if he should have known everything from the get-go. In reality, he altered his position when more data was available. Since you contend that nobody should do that, I'll use YOU as an example. You must have a 6-year-old's outlook on everything because changing your mind from what you thought as a 6-year-old means that you are incompetent.

Stop watching Fox and especially Tucker Carlson. Remember that his legal defense in the slander lawsuit was that nobody in their right mind would believe anything he says. That means you.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566817]Once again, you don't have a clue.

"Lockdowns" were used to "buy time". Without any lockdowns whatsoever, hospitals would have been overrun quickly and MORE people would have died.[/QUOTE]Can you Democratic read?

[URL]https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/[/URL]

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders — what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484[/URL].

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566817]Most Republicans refuse to do the right thing so everybody loses.[/QUOTE]Actually, Republicans were rightly skeptical of "scientists". The governor of Texas opened up the state and the doom and gloom you douches predicted failed to happen.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566817]Stop watching Fox and especially Tucker Carlson. To say Fauci is incompetent is, well, incompetent. [/QUOTE]Oh, I see. So Tucker Carlson quotes Fauci's own emails, and you label him not worth listening to. You are so open minded. If you want to be critical of TC, have at it but don't watch him? That is all this country needs, another pro-censorship douche.

You actually turned a virus into a red-blue, liberal-conservative thing. Amazing.

But actually, douche, this was a discussion about what Colombia was doing, namely everything Fauci and what you government loving, civil rights hating, business loathing Democratic douches wanted, and what a fucking disaster it was. On this, you douches called Colombians stupid which makes me ask this question.

If Colombians are such noncompliant retards, why do you bother going there? Why not stay in the people's Republic of Califronia where you belong?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566883]Can you Democratic read?

[URL]https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/[/URL]

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484[/URL].

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/opinion/pandemic-decision-making.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566883]Can you Democratic read?

[URL]https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/[/URL]

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484[/URL].

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/06/a-serious-country-would-jail-anthony-fauci/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566883]Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?
[/QUOTE]Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not. If you discount those early once-off deaths, Sweden actually had a very good record compared to nearly all European countries. Comes with having an effective public health system.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567334]Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not. If you discount those early once-off deaths, Sweden actually had a very good record compared to nearly all European countries. Comes with having an effective public health system.[/QUOTE]You aren't scratching anything but dodging the issue just like your boy Elvirus. The early nursing home deaths were in the few thousands while Sweden's total Covid deaths approach 15,000, their neighbor Norway less then a thousand, Demark about 2,500, both of very similar demographics and both of which of course also have nursing homes. Masks and social distancing and similar protocols work when applied, bottom line. That's in spite of all the posturing, lying, Covid denialism, liberty over lives nonsense in the failed effort to save Trump's presidency. And the poster boy of all this Sweden, is also a failure. Now it's time to get shots in arms and move on. Those who cooperated in preserving lives until the vaccines could be developed are to be applauded.

USA Centers for Disease Control.

Colombia Very High Risk (level 4).

USA High Risk (level 3).

China Low Risk (level 1).

The place it all started is Low Risk! Why? Because they (China) said so.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html[/URL]

If I had the money (1 mil) I would never return. Unlike all the celebrities that said it. I would do it in a heartbeat.

I am not sure what you think I am dodging. I wasnt asked any questions so I was not in a position to dodge, and I didn't make any claims about anything other than giving an explanation as to why Sweden had a high death rate early on.

You also seem to imply that you should be able to make direct comparisons between Sweden and say Finland or Norway, as if they share smthg more in common with each other than simple geographic location. But there are big differences too, which help explain differences and make comparisons w the rest of Europe fairer. Such as the number of low income immigrants who are more at risk to COVID.

I am not sure what you mean by posturing / lying etc. Who is supposed to have been doing that? I cannot comment bcos I don't understand what your saying.

Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2567382]You aren't scratching anything but dodging the issue just like your boy Elvirus. The early nursing home deaths were in the few thousands while Sweden's total Covid deaths approach 15,000, their neighbor Norway less then a thousand, Demark about 2,500, both of very similar demographics and both of which of course also have nursing homes. Masks and social distancing and similar protocols work when applied, bottom line. That's in spite of all the posturing, lying, Covid denialism, liberty over lives nonsense in the failed effort to save Trump's presidency. And the poster boy of all this Sweden, is also a failure. Now it's time to get shots in arms and move on. Those who cooperated in preserving lives until the vaccines could be developed are to be applauded.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567334]Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not.[/QUOTE]And that is what led to the higher death rates early on. We had the governor of New York here make the same mistake.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567334]Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.[/QUOTE]Wow, we have quite the rational poster on the forum for a change.

Paulie et al are going to believe Fauci and the CDC are heroes because they are Democratic douches. You show them the research, even from a heavily Democratic leaning university like Stanford, and they are not going to change their minds. What they do not get is that the Biden Administration is getting ready to cut Fauci loose.

The two big pieces of recent news were the release of Fauci's emails. These emails were requested in part by the Democratic newspaper The Washington Post and released by the Biden administration. And the other was a Washington Post reporter clearly being fed information by the Biden administration.

What has happened is the WP prints up stories that the email release was nothing for the Democratic douches to get drunk over. In reality, Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post, banned the selling of Fauci's book on Amazon, the company he started, on the basis of what was in the emails.

If you go to the 2:30 of this video, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhKlkkc2Eo[/URL] ,you will see a Washington Post reporter release the breaking news that Fauci started back gain of function virus research in the lab on his own after the Obama-Biden administration told him to stop it. It is pretty clear to me that he was given that information by the Biden administration and told not to blame Trump even though the reporter has been critical of Trump throughout his interview.

The real smoking gun is more like a stick of dynamite in that you need two parts, the dynamite and a match. This reporter's comment was the match.

The dynamite was Fauci's own words. See the link: [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484390/[/URL].

Consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and / or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky. However, we must respect that there are genuine and legitimate concerns about this type of research, both domestically and globally. We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place. Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.

End of quote. So here you have Fauci as the hero of the pandemic when in fact he actually caused it. This fucker on his own assessed risk: benefit for the whole world.

And there were two competing theories for the origin of the virus. It was made by nature and it was made in the lab and leaked from the lab.

As the Washington Post reporter said, one of the other villains was Fauci's henchman Peter Daszak. He is the guy who funded Corona virus research in China, did the sham inspection of the Wuhan lab, and is the organizer of the paper written in Lancet that dismissed Covid 19 came from a lab. He sent an email to Fauci thanking him for pushing the natural origin theory with Covid 19. He and Fauci even got the tech companies to censor the lab leak theory.

Not that this is going to convince the Democratic douches of anything, but the video of the day is this complete scumbag Daszak bragging about the creation of the deadly strain of Covid-19. See the link: [URL]https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/daszak-reveals-chinese-colleagues-manipulating-coronaviruses/[/URL].

It really is fucking disgusting but I doubt it is going to change the minds of anyone. It seems like everyone just wants confirmation bias at this point.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567545]I am not sure what you think I am dodging.[/QUOTE]Yes you are dodging, and are simply wrong on this one. If Sweden falls then so do all the anti-maskers, Covid denier conspiracy theorists, etc. So they must twist themselves in knots trying to prop the country up. Watching it is both sad and comical.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567545]You also seem to imply that you should be able to make direct comparisons between Sweden and say Finland or Norway, as if they share smthg more in common with each other than simple geographic location. But there are big differences too, which help explain differences and make comparisons w the rest of Europe fairer. Such as the number of low income immigrants who are more at risk to COVID. [/QUOTE]Sweden has far more in common with its Nordic neighbors than the rest of Europe thus making the comparisons more valid. And you've yet to point out any major differences between the Nordics, most notably Sweden, Demark, and Norway that would explain the gross disparities in Covid deaths, other than of course Covid policy. The common variables would be population densities, the existence of major urban centers with inbound and outbound international travel, transportation, and cultures. As to the immigrants, all three countries mentioned have accepted plenty of refugees from the Middle East. Sweden has welcomed the most, but not a volume enough to begin to account for the findings. For example 14.1% of Norway's residents have an immigrant background, while in Sweden it's 20%. Yet Sweden has 18+ times the number of Covid deaths but only double the total population. Now you can run form this to Belgium or France, or even Peru like Elvis, but you only demonstrate to an audience of mongers that you don't know how to do science.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567545]I am not sure what you mean by posturing / lying etc. Who is supposed to have been doing that? I cannot comment bcos I don't understand what your saying.[/QUOTE]To put it bluntly you have an agenda or are just stupid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the former. The former can possibly be fixed while the latter cannot. Any immunologist worth his salt would compare Sweden to it's Nordic neighbors before other countries in Europe or Peru because that's where by far the most common and significant variables exist. To argue otherwise is at best ignorant.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567545]Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.[/QUOTE]And of course here come the very predictable logical fallacies. No one has suggested that anyone hide in a cave for two years. Norway and Demark didn't, yet while having very similar societies have a small fraction of the Covid deaths, the former 789, the latter 2520, while Sweden has 14,525. There's nothing reasonable about accepting all these excess deaths with lax policy chasing herd immunity. They fucked up. And in a word, screw your liberty to get in people's faces maskless during a once in a hundred years pandemic. Lives are more important. Also your car analogy is another fallacy, as like successful Covid protocols, we do take actions to deter auto deaths, vehicle safety, recalls, speed limits, seat belt laws, etc.

That said, this is my last Covid post in a monger forum. I've been indulging over a year now so have done my duty. Wink. Plus once you unravel all the Fox News esque nonsense a new one comes along repeating it over again. I have better things to do than go in circles.

Of course having laws in place in no way assures enforcement and compliance. In fact a good portion of road deaths are the results of non-compliance, texting while driving, speeding, drunk driving, or operating an unsafe vehicle. To go leaping around the globe comparing very different societies to that of the Nordics while assuming broad compliance with Covid mandates in such countries is simply asinine. That especially holds true when leaping to South America, but hey maybe an eye doctor with a political agenda like Rand Paul would do it. Some mongers will do it as we've seen, but this point needs to be out there once more though it's already been made by me and others many times over the last year. It's very clear, Norway and Denmark did things in the matter of Covid that Sweden didn't, thus the drastically superior results as we come into the vaccines. No it wasn't inevitable that many millions die until natural herd immunity is achieved. The true scientists had it right, the fools and otherwise political ideologues wrong. The US is living proof of the value of the vaccines, and all the better if more MAGA morons would do the right thing for themselves and other and take the shots.

I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neither Fauci has been caught lying so many times now, for both sides. I believe his lies have directly led to to the deaths of many people and he should be locked away for a very long time. He won't be of course bcos he worked for US government and that would be a crazy idea!

When covid first broke, we all heard the idea that it was a lab leak. It sounded like a wild conspiracy theory at the time, and once Trump got behind it, I wrote it off as such. But recent evidence, as you point out, clearly show that CDC were funding research in to virus transmission between bats and humans. They were paying a Wuhan lab to do this for them. Fauci has admitted this. Si it now seems highly plausible that the virus came from a lab leak. I can't say I am certain but I am willing to believe the evidence, and I believe both China and USA is covering that up. As ever, the public is being sold a lie to cover up huge mistakes by powerful people. All descent is shut down, as it has been throughout the pandemic. But slowly the truth seems to be taking shape.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567575]Paulie et al are going to believe Fauci and the CDC are heroes because they are Democratic douches. You show them the research, even from a heavily Democratic leaning university like Stanford, and they are not going to change their minds. What they do not get is that the Biden Administration is getting ready to cut Fauci loose.
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It really is fucking disgusting but I doubt it is going to change the minds of anyone. It seems like everyone just wants confirmation bias at this point.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunatelly you are making far too many false assumptions about me, and accusing me of positions that I don't have, to even bother to respond to your criticism.

I get the impression that you can only see things thru a Dem / Rep US-centric lens, and any other views dont make sense to you.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2567619]Yes you are dodging, and are simply wrong on this one. If Sweden falls then so do all the anti-maskers, Covid denier conspiracy theorists, etc. So they must twist themselves in knots trying to prop the country up. Watching it is both sad and comical.

Sweden has far more in common with its Nordic neighbors than the rest of Europe thus making the comparisons more valid. And you've yet to point out any major differences between the Nordics, most notably Sweden, Demark, and Norway that would explain the gross disparities in Covid deaths, other than of course Covid policy. The common variables would be population densities, the existence of major urban centers with inbound and outbound international travel, transportation, and cultures. As to the immigrants, all three countries mentioned have accepted plenty of refugees from the Middle East. Sweden has welcomed the most, but not a volume enough to begin to account for the findings. For example 14.1% of Norway's residents have an immigrant background, while in Sweden it's 20%. Yet Sweden has 18+ times the number of Covid deaths but only double the total population. Now you can run form this to Belgium or France, or even Peru like Elvis, but you only demonstrate to an audience of mongers that you don't know how to do science.

To put it bluntly you have an agenda or are just stupid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the former. The former can possibly be fixed while the latter cannot. Any immunologist worth his salt would compare Sweden to it's Nordic neighbors before other countries in Europe or Peru because that's where by far the most common and significant variables exist. To argue otherwise is at best ignorant.

And of course here come the very predictable logical fallacies. No one has suggested that anyone hide in a cave for two years. Norway and Demark didn't, yet while having very similar societies have a small fraction of the Covid deaths, the former 789, the latter 2520, while Sweden has 14,525. There's nothing reasonable about accepting all these excess deaths with lax policy chasing herd immunity. They fucked up. And in a word, screw your liberty to get in people's faces maskless during a once in a hundred years pandemic. Lives are more important. Also your car analogy is another fallacy, as like successful Covid protocols, we do take actions to deter auto deaths, vehicle safety, recalls, speed limits, seat belt laws, etc.

That said, this is my last Covid post in a monger forum. I've been indulging over a year now so have done my duty. Wink. Plus once you unravel all the Fox News esque nonsense a new one comes along repeating it over again. I have better things to do than go in circles.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567708]I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neither[/QUOTE]Well shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.

It would be easy to say that lies have dictated USA politics for way too long, which it has, but that would make a special case of US politics. I imagine lies have dictated politics in nearly every country for too long. Its very said to say that honest politicians are a very rare breed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2567715]Well shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-origin-steele-dossier/2021/06/10/id/1024588/[/URL]

Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2[/URL].

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines[/URL].

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: [URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition[/URL].

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit.

But what is really fucking pathetic that something as important as Covid vaccination has been turned into a political name calling football.

Mojo, my point with all this was that if you want to point someone to the Mayo Clinic page, that is fine, but this whole notion that people who get the vaccine are smart and those who do not are stupid needs to stop. I jumped on you for repeating that sentiment I have heard elsewhere. The vaccine has horrible side effects for some people and the benefit-risk ratio is not positive for everyone.

I apologize for venting with regards to your statement, however I read this stupid NYT comment and I am infuriated that they are politicizing the vaccinations.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2568209]Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2[/URL].

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines[/URL].

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: [URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition[/URL].

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit..[/QUOTE]Anyone that calls white GOPers dum must be racist pieces of shit also? Is that what you are positing?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2568209]Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2[/URL].

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines[/URL].

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: [URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition[/URL].

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/jon-stewart-wuhan-lab-leak-late-show/2021/06/15/id/1025157/[/URL]

If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2569811]If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).[/QUOTE]But didn't China claim it?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2569811]If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.[/QUOTE]No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2568209]Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2[/URL].

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines[/URL].

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: [URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition[/URL].

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care..[/QUOTE]So, did the Orange Buffoon pay big money to develop faulty vaccines or are side effects just part of vaccinations?

You only get to choose one answer. Trump supporters will never choose the first option so you must accept the second.

The risk of COVID far outweighs the "risk" of a minor reaction to the vaccine. And yes, people are dumb for not getting vaccinated. Here's an article from Science News (but Tucker didn't approve it, so). [URL]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-vaccine-side-effects-coronavirus-myocarditis[/URL].

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2569817]No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.[/QUOTE]Its easy to ridicule smthg that you don't like, but can you explain wihch part is batshit crazy?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2569816]But didn't China claim it?[/QUOTE]Yes, if it turns out to be a lab leak, it would be a lab leak from China, obviously. But Fauci has already admitted that the CDC was funding the research in China. And you must ask urself why? Was it a collaboration? Was the USA funding smthg too dangerous to do in the USA? Was it trying to save money by having China do it? They know the situation, the risks. USA must at least take some responsibility, if not all.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2570018]Yes, if it turns out to be a lab leak, it would be a lab leak from China, obviously. But Fauci has already admitted that the CDC was funding the research in China. And you must ask urself why? Was it a collaboration? Was the USA funding smthg too dangerous to do in the USA? Was it trying to save money by having China do it? They know the situation, the risks. USA must at least take some responsibility, if not all.[/QUOTE]My guess and it's only a guess is that it was cheaper to outsource the research to China just like everything else.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2570441]Keep in mind that you are talking to a guy that doesn't monger, doesn't travel, and admitted that he's never been to Colombia. But he did find a place to play around posting, here in ISG and naturally on the most active thread on the site.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. As he claims to be a ladies' man that can get rock bottom prices from any WG. Yet when jjbee asked him to prove it and join him on his Medellin trip in June, he claimed that he has a trip to Thailand booked. P.S. Thailand is closed due to covid LOL.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2570488]Makes sense. As he claims to be a ladies' man that can get rock bottom prices from any WG. Yet when jjbee asked him to prove it and join him on his Medellin trip in June, he claimed that he has a trip to Thailand booked. P.S. Thailand is closed due to covid LOL.[/QUOTE]Your learning disabilities are quite pronounced, show us where I said I have plans for BKK?

Ill bet you 25 k USD you can't, try not talking out of your ass dum dum!

Before I get to the session, I've got some words to say about Facebook.

On Wednesday on the flight to Bogota, we flew very close to Medellin. The sun had set and the city was all lit up, but at 39,000 feet there was still a lot of color in the sky. I snapped a picture, which turned out better than I hoped and posted it on Facebook. Although I've let a few girls know about my trip, I didn't make any general announcement.

That picture did the trick. By the end of the night, more than 20 girls had hit me up. It's been shared and liked more than any other photo I've posted. It's still getting likes and the number of girls reaching out to me has increased to 35. Most of them are second stringers, but a few are previous girls who I haven't talked to in 3 years or more. Once you build up a Facebook list, if you use it right, you will have more options than you can handle. It makes finding replacements easy.

Yesterday I took it fairly easy. Drove to Santa Fe mall in the morning to get some cash and then walked to La Strada for breakfast at Parmessano. Pretty good food, but more than I usually pay for breakfast. A short walk back and I bought some supplies at Jumbo.

Sent out messages to some local friends to set up some lunch dates. Then drove to Manila and met with one of them. Got caught up on the local gossip. From there, I went to Viva mall for lunch at Hatoviejo. Good Colombian food, but expensive. Usually I'm eating at the cheaper places, but yesterday I splurged.

After a trip back to the apartment to cool down and make sure the jacuzzi was clean and functional, I got back out into rush hour traffic and drove to Parque Lleras. Went to Ay Wey on Calle 10, a sports bar alternative to Patrick's and Hooters. Food was good, but portions were small for the price. Lots of attractive waitresses running around and they seem friendly.

While there I was contemplating whether I wanted some company. I'm still recovering and climbing 5 flights of stairs several times daily had me worn out. Sent out a message to a model, Facebook, Instagram girl who I chatted with in December and got a response at just the right time. Set up for her to meet me at the apartment at 10 pm. She pulled up at 10:25, so I consider that a win.

She's a taller black girl, 1.70 meters, very slender and very fit. Not quite 6 pack abs, but close. Her body is excellent, well proportioned and all natural. We spent the first 30 minutes chatting and drinking wine. Then the foreplay started. She was very responsive to everything I did and quite passionate. From there we moved to the jacuzzi, with lots more foreplay. Finally moved to the bed and got down to business, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Her head game was decent, but the best part was after the condom went on. She rode me hard, rode me all the way through my nut and kept on riding. She kept grinding on me, kissing my neck and ear for almost 30 minutes, at one point rubbing herself, until she finally got off. Made me wish I'd brought a vibrator.

After she finally wound down, we talked a bit more before heading to the shower for a quick rinse. There was nothing business like or mechanical with her, until it was time to pay and call a taxi. She's got nice sized tits, with just a bit of droop, her ass is small by local standards, but well shaped. The pussy was tight and nicely wet. She did have a stronger than normal odor, but not a bad smell, made the room smell like sex. Overall she stayed almost 2 hours.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2570100]My guess and it's only a guess is that it was cheaper to outsource the research to China just like everything else.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/07/peritus-parasitus-wants-its-host-alive-but-not-healthy/[/URL]

Look what came of Elvis' so called "Stanford" anti-mask study. Fake, fraudulent, with misquotes, lies while it was falsely attributed to Stanford. Moral of the story? Don't pounce on everything that comes along on a wingnut blog like a kangaroo in heat. That's asking a lot I know.

[URL]https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/05/02/anti-mask-article-falsely-claiming-stanford-affiliation-is-retracted-by-journal/[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/StanfordMed/status/1384957123864444930[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2570877]Look what came of Elvis' so called "Stanford" anti-mask study. Fake, fraudulent, with misquotes, lies while it was falsely attributed to Stanford. Moral of the story? Don't pounce on everything that comes along on a wingnut blog like a kangaroo in heat. That's asking a lot I know.[/QUOTE]That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571136]That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche![/QUOTE]The personal attacks are simultaneously amusing and frustrating. But I strongly agree with an important point Elvis made.

We know the double GCC code does not exist in nature, yet it's in the CV. So we know it's man made. We know where it originated. And even if you doubt that, ask yourself why Fauci and company rushed to defend that lab, before any legitimate study could be organized, let alone executed. Then ask yourself why Fauci covered up the funding. Why did he first say we didn't then make an incredulous claim that, yes, in fact we funded the lab but not those specific projects. LMAO.

This research was not done in China because of cheap labor. It was done in China because it was illegal in the US. Think about it. Do you really believe the people feeding at the trough from US grants were concerned about cheap labor? No. That's the whole game. Keep the US money flowing.

Doubt me? Go back 8 years when Fauci defended this type of research, saying it was worth the risk. The facts are obvious. And anyone that denies the facts is just a fool, a political hack. There is a lot to be learned. But for political reasons, on both sides, the games and political wins are more important. "Worth the risk".

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2571483]...We know the double GCC code does not exist in nature...[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571564]Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?[/QUOTE]LMAO Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's double CGG. A genetic scientist I am not. Haha But I have read a lot on this subject and I do believe this issue is as close to a smoking gun as we have.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571564]Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?[/QUOTE]Okay, I understand what you're saying. GCC is a codon that designates Alanine. GCC-GCC designates two Alanines. There are 35 other codons which also designate Alanine -- and the QAnon theory is that this could only be a result of engineering as this combination of codons would never appear in nature? But, they do. If you're interested (which I admit is unlikely) you can find a very understandable synopsis of the early "Lab Leak" hypothesis here:

[URL]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/sci2-j22.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571766]Okay, I understand what you're saying. GCC is a codon that designates Alanine. GCC-GCC designates two Alanines. There are 35 other codons which also designate Alanine -- and the QAnon theory is that this could only be a result of engineering as this combination of codons would never appear in nature? But, they do. If you're interested (which I admit is unlikely) you can find a very understandable synopsis of the early "Lab Leak" hypothesis here:

[URL]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/sci2-j22.html[/URL][/QUOTE]First, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work.

Beyond that, this article stops FAR short of debunking the hypothesis. For example:

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild."

So the author is speculating that since we've only decoded a small sample of viruses, well then a specific code must be out there. Except, that's not science. That's speculation. But yet he throws stones at "conspiracy theories". The irony!

I appreciate you sharing. I have my opinions and information only helps. I don't agree with your synopsis, or the author's premise, but it was interesting.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2571823]First, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work..[/QUOTE]Perhaps you meant to quote a different section of the article.

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild. "

I'll try to put that quote into context for you. Although it shouldn't be necessary because the article clearly states that other CoVs have an FCS and gives examples.

Let's connect it to mongering, just for fun. Let's say you only recently started mongering and the small sample of girls you've been with have given pretty much the same service, CBJ, CFS and mechanical performance. It's not speculation to say girls who provide better service probably exist, because there are millions out there and you've only experienced a few. When you encounter a girl who gives 5 star service would you immediately assume she was bioengineered or would you just expand your knowledge base?

This is what Dr. Anderson is saying. Because only a tiny portion of existing viruses have been decoded, it's to be expected that new information will be discovered as new viruses are decoded.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571136]That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche![/QUOTE]They are selling or giving away vaccines that are 100% h20 jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2571670]LMAO Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's double CGG. A genetic scientist I am not. Haha But I have read a lot on this subject and I do believe this issue is as close to a smoking gun as we have.[/QUOTE]CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.

One other point about "Gain of Function", this virus is gaining a hell of a lot more function than it could have in the lab. Why? Because we have politicized both mask wearing and vaccination and simply let it run wild -- it's mutating like fucking mad every second. Regardless of the origin of this virus, we, as humans, have to get together and crush it. If you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated.

You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the [URL]medium.com[/URL] article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote.

Let's go to Jon Stewart's chocolate example. If there is an outbreak of choclately goodness in Hershey, PA, the FCS is the wrapper around the chocolate and what was found in Hershey? Tons and tons of wrappers, but the wrappers, which can easily be made by man, are a little different than those known to be made by man. But Anderson argues, well argues in March 2020 not January 2020, because no person is known to have made that exact wrapper, man didn't make it. Nature did.

But it is even worse than that because if you think it cannot get even more stupid, it does.

Dr. Kristian Andersen who was "steadfast" that the virus came from nature in JC's article, actually wrote Anthony Fauci a few weeks before the infamous Nature article. And their conversation went something like this.

Andersen: Fauci, my team and I have looked at the chocolate wrapper, and we all think it is man made.

Fauci: Okay, Andersen, let's talk.

Five weeks later, Andersen says to the world via the Nature article: My team and I have examined the wrapper, and it clearly originated in nature and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theorist.

Two months later, Fauci says to Andersen: Great job on that paper! Here is a $1. 88 million bribe, I mean grant.

A few weeks ago, the email conversations between Fauci and Andersen become public and Andersen deletes thousands of his online tweets.

Then you get JC's article which is titled, How science demolishes the right-wing fiction of a Wuhan "lab leak" as the source of coronavirus and make Andersen into a hero.

So do the Democratic douches get it? Maybe they do not feel as strongly as I do and want these POS assholes Andersen, Fauci, and Dazsak sued into the next century but could they at least say that Anderson was conflicted or hypocritical?

Nah. All these douches do is hear the right wing thinks one way and they go the other. Somehow anyone attacking Andersen based on Andersen's own words and actions is a Q'Anon nut job per JC.

And JJBee is like "Let me explain Andersen to you. We do not know all the wrappers nature can produce."

All you have to do to get these douches to turn off their brains is wrap everything up in a red-blue conflict. The question I have with the article that JC linked, "Is how much did China pay for it?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571954] We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.[/QUOTE]And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.

But on Australian TV. The leading journalist on lab leak is Sherri Markson in Australia. Again, she uncovers Fauci being the short sighted fool he is:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c7vInnhSlY[/URL]

What Fauci says at the 5:40 mark is unreal.

If Fauci said and did the things he did and was in the private sector, he would be stripped of his medical license, tarred and feathered verbally in court, and forced into bankruptcy.

What is so frustrating to me is that he is going to escape his fate because the Dems used him to make Trump look badly. To the Democratic douches, 4 million deaths was a small price to pay to get rid of Trump.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571954]CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity..[/QUOTE]As for the science, even the article you provided admitted that there is not another known virus with that sequence in nature. They speculate that it must be out there. But the fact is it hasn't been found.

But I do hope you recognize the irony of your position. You warn me about sourcing but disqualify sources based on politics. Tom Cotton? The next word I hear out of his mouth on this topic will be the first. Gain of function research has nothing to do with politics. Nothing. The facts are plain as day, despite Fauci's lies and coverups. Masks aren't political. There are sheep on both sides. Some will go to their grave clinging to their mask because of illogical fear thrown at them from the left. And there are some that will enjoy burning masks while sipping bleach because Trump said so. None of that changes the science of masks, which I don't want to get into now.

It's the old FoxNews vs CNN debate. Both sides are guilty. Which is exactly why I discount much of your commentary. "Trump's denialism and Republican complicity." You know why politicizing it is dangerous? Vaccine hesitation is real. The left wants to "politicize" it. Do you know what the hesitancy rate is in the black community? Call me crazy but that's not a bastion of Trump support. But political hacks and their sheep would rather score political points than address an issue. See the border issue. See immigration. They are making this a political issue and you are falling for it.

Lastly, you make a great point. But you contradict it. Science is about uncertainty. That is 100% accurate. So why then do we have many in the science community pushing a narrative / conclusion when there is so much uncertainty? I appreciate the conversation and your perspective.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571993]And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.[/QUOTE]That is the most ludicrous part. The group that somehow is certain is not a lab leak can ignore a mountain of scientific and circumstantial evidence. They lack any curiosity to investigate. And this has the historical import of perhaps both world wars combined.

As with everything, you follow the money for answers. Fauci is on record saying this risk, this very risk of a pandemic, is worth it. For the Fauci fans, do you agree it was worth it? So he favors the research. Fact. He funds the research. Fact. And when it goes bad? Cover it up. Masks are ineffective. Wear three masks. Masks were for optics. And this is the clown, err, the expert they cling to. Comical. This man should be liable along with Daszak, and all of their Chinese conspirators. Given the outcome, he should be in jail.

15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.

[QUOTE=BudKona;2572337]And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.[/QUOTE]I posted a few days ago with identical thoughts and it never appeared on the site. Let's see if this one appears. One of my bitches was that MarquisdeSade1 has never been to Colombia but is now posting stuff about his trips here and there are idiots commenting on his BS posts and asking him for advice. His BS has been commented about several times and the moderators do nothing. Unreal! Many of my posts are not nice but are accurate and are deleted by moderators for hurting feelings. I will PM you and share Centro info. I do not post much of the real information because so many are unworthy and I would have to go to great detail to explain.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571991]You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the [URL]medium.com[/URL] article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote..[/QUOTE]1. Why do you bring up "circumstantial evidence"? If circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict the orange fruitcake then it isn't good enough here.

2. I put on my pants this morning. It rained this morning. Are the two connected?

[QUOTE=BudKona;2572337]15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.[/QUOTE]I'm the moron? You're the one looking through a thread called Stupid Shit in Medellin for valuable information? LMAO.

The mods do give some latitude in the Stupid Shit threads for the various locales. In my opinion, that is a phenomenal solution. I've seen them move stupid shit posted in the "normal" threads into stupid shit so people clearly no there's virtually zero monger value.

Maybe this thread is just not meant for the hypersensitive.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572467]Could someone please recommend a nice comfortable girl friendly hotel in Medellin? Close to the action and nice property. I am fluent in Spanish so the language is no issue.

This will be my first time in Colombia but am a seasoned traveler. Please give me the top 5 hotels.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2572496]First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.[/QUOTE]What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572516]What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.[/QUOTE]Although you're correct about the crappy attitude, which seems to have become a requirement for posting here, your request is not simple to answer.

Which action are you looking for? Are you interested in the street action in El Centro, or the street action in Parque Lleras? Are you interested in the casas in Laureles or El Centro? Are you interested in getting girls off of Facebook and other online sites? What type of budget do you have? Other than girl friendly, what other amenities are important to you?

The Medellin Mansion, search Hotel M Medellin, might be a good place for you to start while you decide what type of mongering appeals most to you.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572516]What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.[/QUOTE]From the looks of it, neither would you ever make a trip report. Maybe you will get it one day. 16 years ago I posted such a question as yours in the Bangkok forum. I was told to Read The Fucking Forum. That day I did not get it, but today I do. He was saying all that info is already here for your reading enjoyment. He even told you that you should probably start out at The Mansion. But fuck his advice because of his attitude of wanting you to research for yourself instead of popping up to be spoon fed.

99% of your posts is questions and the other 1% is I remember so and so. But there is not 1 trip report from all this info gathering. You are a senior member that has not put anything into the pot but wants to take out of the pot. Very unbecoming sir.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572516]What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.[/QUOTE]He gave you the answer but not the answer you want to hear. He even took the time to write a meaningful reply while some will just ignore you. If you had asked one or two, then his answer is probably the best, but you asked for "top 5".

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2572496]but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2572496]A good place to start would be the Mansion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2572315]The convenience store "D1" which is everywhere sells cheap Tequila 750 ML for 40,000 COP / 3600 = $11.11.[/QUOTE]IMO, 40 K COP is expensive for Colombians.

It's about 10 K COP more than the daily minimum wage.

You will need 1 K COP more to do an above average Santa Fe girl. 35 K COP for a decent girl, not 25 K for that chubby girl. And 6 K COP for the room. So 41 K COP total. Should be similar numbers in Veracruz/Plaza.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2572582]And downloaded cabify and uber.

Zero issues.[/QUOTE]

If you think Didi, a Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous. LOL!

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2572302]That is the most ludicrous part. The group that somehow is certain is not a lab leak can ignore a mountain of scientific and circumstantial evidence. They lack any curiosity to investigate. And this has the historical import of perhaps both world wars combined.

As with everything, you follow the money for answers. Fauci is on record saying this risk, this very risk of a pandemic, is worth it. For the Fauci fans, do you agree it was worth it? So he favors the research. Fact. He funds the research. Fact. And when it goes bad? Cover it up. Masks are ineffective. Wear three masks. Masks were for optics. And this is the clown, err, the expert they cling to. Comical. This man should be liable along with Daszak, and all of their Chinese conspirators. Given the outcome, he should be in jail.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/23/the-party-of-science-cant-do-math/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2572604]IMO, 40 K COP is expensive for Colombians.

It's about 10 K COP more than the daily minimum wage.

You will need 1 K COP more to do an above average Santa Fe girl. 35 K COP for a decent girl, not 25 K for that chubby girl. And 6 K COP for the room. So 41 K COP total. Should be similar numbers in Veracruz/Plaza.[/QUOTE]A Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous.

Yeah wtf was I thinking? A Chinese company do something evil? Never!! My apologies for pointing out my experience.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/us/02toothpaste.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/health/17poison.html[/URL]

I can post tens of thousands of other links, as if I needed anyone to believe what I'm posting.

So China would put poison in toothpaste and kill children but not malware on my fone in a 3rd world country? OMG thanks so much for setting me straight!!

Post-script?

Do you work for didi by any chance?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

theyre selling h2o jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

but anyone that thinks they use malware/spyware is insane

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2572631]Yeah wtf was I thinking?[/QUOTE]Most people don't know. I can only speculate.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2572631]My apologies for pointing out my experience.[/QUOTE]The apology should be for posting in the Medellin thread, where that post (and most others) should be in the "Stupid Shit" thread.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2572631]OMG thanks so much for setting me straight!![/QUOTE]I'm trying. But you can't fix stupidity and BS.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2572631]Do you work for didi by any chance?[/QUOTE]I wish! That IPO listing is going to be huge. I would love to have a small piece of that.

Ok. IF that experience is real, then you have a faulty cause and effect. Example: malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2572649]Most people don't know. I can only speculate.

The apology should be for posting in the Medellin thread, where that post (and most others) should be in the "Stupid Shit" thread.

I'm trying. But you can't fix stupidity and BS.

I wish! That IPO listing is going to be huge. I would love to have a small piece of that.

Ok. IF that experience is real, then you have a faulty cause and effect. Example: malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.[/QUOTE]This is a forum for heterosexual biological males. Are you lost?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2572649]malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.[/QUOTE]Or maybe.

Or maybe.

Occams razor.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/jon-stewart-wuhan-lab-leak-late-show/2021/06/15/id/1025157/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2572604]If you think Didi, a Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous. LOL![/QUOTE]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE]And / or country of birth? Or their parents?

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/tech/apps-remove-from-your-phone[/URL]

Too many America haters on ISG.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE]The article said they are victims. The news is 6 years old. Apple is a DiDi investor and has a seat on the board. Uber is also a share holder. What he is saying, they don't have to use malware to make money. Xcode is free of charge.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].[/QUOTE]Not really. That old article says hackers did it, not Didi.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE]I'm more of a Reagan Democrat. Whatever happened to THAT Republican party!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/business-communist-forcedtechnologytransfer/2021/06/06/id/1024086/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/22/is-trump-the-future-of-the-republican-party/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2572700]Nah, that story has already been written: [URL]http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps[/URL].

Let me guess what political party you belong to.[/QUOTE]Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.

The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/how-xi-and-the-ccp-turned-on-jack-ma-ant-and-china-s-fintech-companies[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573194]Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.
The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".
[/QUOTE]And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573445]And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?[/QUOTE]There are several differences. One that you can easily observe is that super wealthy people in the west rarely get killed, jailed or disappear.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573445]And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/fallacy-of-non-sequitur[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/china-surveillance.html[/URL]

Are you just another anti American troll?

BTW do you like slavery?

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/fashion/uighur-forced-labor-cotton-fashion.html[/URL]

Like Epstein, you mean? . It would be a difference if you have stats to support the claim that super rich people go AWOL in China in greater numbers than in the West.

But why would that even be important? Its only important if your super rich, which doesn't apply to 99.999% of the people. Surely, its a fairer expression of the law if rich people are jailed, no?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2573470]There are several differences. One that you can easily observe is that super wealthy people in the west rarely get killed, jailed or disappear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573494]Like Epstein, you mean? .[/QUOTE]Epstein is rich, but not super rich. Unless you think his death is because he opposed democracy or any political leader.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573194]Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.

The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/how-xi-and-the-ccp-turned-on-jack-ma-ant-and-china-s-fintech-companies[/URL][/QUOTE]What a stupid comment that doesn't even remotely reflect what was written in the article. Most of the giant corporations in China are not CCP controlled. Fin-tech companies are being restructed.

Because they make consumer loans without holding any required reserves. Banks are not allowed to do this. This gives the fin-tech companies an unfair advantage vs banks and the Chinese regulators.

Restricted these practices in order to avoid a financial fiasco similar to what the US an Europe experiences in 2010-11. I'm sure this will come as a complete surprise to you but US banks have a boatload.

Of restrictions and consumer protections as well. Are our banks and fin-tech companies US Government controlled too??

[QUOTE=Villainy;2573520]What a stupid comment [/QUOTE]Firstly, stop the projecting!

Secondly, are you really suggesting that the CCP and the US govt are comparable?

Seriously?

Do you think anyone in the world besides CCP apologists like yourself would agree with you.

Maybe start with asking Ma Yun where he rather live and do business.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573483]Are you just another anti American troll?[/QUOTE]I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573483]BTW do you like slavery?[/QUOTE]I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573777]I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.

I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.[/QUOTE]I am not a troll at all.

You sure?

Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean sounds like an unambiguous yes, to me.

"I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses."

Grow up already!

WTF did you take poli sci at Oberlin and flunk out? Jajajaja.

You sound like Lena Dunham, jajaja.

Do you know this is a mongering forum LOL.

I will never say the USA is perfect, but on the whole it is a net positive for the world, unlike China and the CCP, they are an overwhelming net negative, with every metric.

BTW your platitudes are laughable, please save them for twitter!!

"If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources".

Your anti American bias is glaring, look in the mirror and stop projecting and for gods sake stop watching are. Maddow on a loop 24/7, "he / she / it" is making you delusional.

Hey admin please no mas blue hairs!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573777]I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.

I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.[/QUOTE]Are you on the CCP payroll?

[URL]https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-china-russia-disinformation-playbook-c49b6f3b-2a9a-47c1-9065-240121c9ceb2.html[/URL]

Deflect, minimize, change the subject.

Spin, misinformation, disinformation lies lies and sum more lies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573781]Are you on the CCP payroll?

[URL]https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-china-russia-disinformation-playbook-c49b6f3b-2a9a-47c1-9065-240121c9ceb2.html[/URL]

Deflect, minimize, change the subject.

Spin, misinformation, disinformation lies lies and sum more lies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6[/QUOTE]You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here and certainly not enough to question their patriotism and you sure as hell don't know anything about China either. You don't know how their political system interfaces with their economic system. You apparently don't have any clue how their corporations operate. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.

Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. That seems to fit your base of experience better.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2573911]. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.[/QUOTE]Yes they are different, China takes evil to a whole new level, and makes the old USSR fools look like Bernie Sanders.

They have 1.4 billion people held captive, I'm guessing 99.9999% would love to leave for anywhere else.

How many of the other 6. 5 billion people of the world want to migrate to CCP land? Probably 0% besides maybe you and a few other CCP asslickers on ISG.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2573911]Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. [/QUOTE]"How I roll?" wowwww what are you 12? Or 92 trying to sound 12?

Are you jealous I don't get overcharged like you, by third world illiterate putas?

So you want to criticize me for not being overcharged wowwwwwwww you are a top notch whack job jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Such sorry sour grapes. WHOMP WHOMP, I'm sorry life sucks so badly for you!!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2573911]You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here and certainly not enough to question their patriotism and you sure as hell don't know anything about China either. You don't know how their political system interfaces with their economic system. You apparently don't have any clue how their corporations operate. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.

Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. That seems to fit your base of experience better.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-china-bigger-danger-than-russia-says-romney-20210627-kbarwymftjeg3e55zvav3kjrwi-story.html[/URL]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/chinese-media-says-beijing-expanding-its-nuclear-arsenal/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/china-state-media-says-country-must-prepare-nuclear-war-us-after-biden-asks-covid-probe-1596568[/URL]

Don't worry he is just low educated and ignorant. He clearly cannot read and understand too well. He just sees narratives that he wants to attack and then accuses othres of holding those views. Its quite amusing really. He accuses me of being pro-Chinese yet I posted nothing about China. He accuses me of many lies yet fails to point to a single one. Nothing of any substance.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2573911]You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2574082]Don't worry he is just low educated and ignorant. He clearly cannot read and understand too well. He just sees narratives that he wants to attack and then accuses othres of holding those views. Its quite amusing really. He accuses me of being pro-Chinese yet I posted nothing about China. He accuses me of many lies yet fails to point to a single one. Nothing of any substance.[/QUOTE]Is English your primary language? If it is you need to go back to school, if it isn't you may want to request at least a refund from whomever gave you such poor lessons.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2573445]And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/ilhan-omar-jewish-democrats-extremist/2021/06/29/id/1026922/[/URL]

I could swear at one point this thread was about MDE stupid stuff. How did it get so derailed?

Guys. No one is saying you can't biker with each other, but perhaps take it to PM instead?

WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573955]Yes they are different, China takes evil to a whole new level, and makes the old USSR fools look like Bernie Sanders.

They have 1.4 billion people held captive, I'm guessing 99.9999% would love to leave for anywhere else.

How many of the other 6. 5 billion people of the world want to migrate to CCP land? Probably 0% besides maybe you and a few other CCP asslickers on ISG.[/QUOTE]Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

[URL]https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575001]WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!

Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

[URL]https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china[/URL][/QUOTE]Firstly, you point out 3 replies? Really what difference does it make if its 1 or 10? I see you try to focus on BS distractions rather than the substance that you can't refute.

Secondly, thanks for reminding to never read the HBR again, what a pos article, one long blowjob for Xi, how much did HBR or Rana get paid for that fluff piece.

It reads like an multi hour long BBBJ for China and Xi, not one single negative word, probably written by Xi himself, one long QVC infomercial.

A cleaner in Chongqing now owns several apartments because the CCP reformed property laws. A Shanghai journalist is paid by her state-controlled magazine to fly around the world for stories on global lifestyle trends. A young student in Nanjing can study propulsion physics at Beijing's Tsinghua University thanks to social mobility and the party's significant investment in scientific research.

A 5 yr old child can see the bizarre bias in this article but not you? I guess a deep deep China asslicker like yourself loves defending the evil that is China, 95% is a joke I doubt even you believe that number but if you do, you a bigger fool than you even look. BTW how many millions does China funnel to Harvard for positive PR like this in articles and in the classrooms? You like that? You're a damn fool, I'm sure one that is motivated by their hatred of America.

If you did this shit in China they would lock you up, I wish you would go live there, if you are white they probably will still lock you up.

Marxism / Leninism aka Neo fascism.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575001]WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!

Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

[URL]https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm a grown man I don't have these insecurities you speak of, so again stop trying to project your inferiorities onto others.

[URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-re-elected-president-by-100-of-voters-1.1100107[/URL]

Your long rim job HBR fluffer article, is reminiscent of the Saddam numbers jajajajajjaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

You might just be the biggest fool on ISG but hey keep up the good job you have some stiff competition jajajajaaa.

Anyone that fluffs Xi and China is a huge turd!!

I hope you don't consider yourself an American, because if you live in the USA you're nothing more than an American hating low rent traitor!! Please move to China.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575294]I'm a grown man I don't have these insecurities you speak of, so again stop trying to project your inferiorities onto others.

[URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-re-elected-president-by-100-of-voters-1.1100107[/URL]

Your long rim job HBR fluffer article, is reminiscent of the Saddam numbers jajajajajjaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

You might just be the biggest fool on ISG but hey keep up the good job you have some stiff competition jajajajaaa.

Anyone that fluffs Xi and China is a huge turd!!

I hope you don't consider yourself an American, because if you live in the USA you're nothing more than an American hating low rent traitor!! Please move to China.[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2574688]Is English your primary language? If it is you need to go back to school, if it isn't you may want to request at least a refund from whomever gave you such poor lessons.[/QUOTE]Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.

" Stupid shit in Medellin" - seems like this section of the forum was named after you. :)

[QUOTE=JustTK;2575382]Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.[/QUOTE]I went to pvt schools in America, I'm pretty sure most American pvt schools are better than any euro trash schools jajajajaaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2575382]Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.

" Stupid shit in Medellin" - seems like this section of the forum was named after you. :)[/QUOTE]Says the turd with the iq / reasoning skills of a peanut.

The lady doth protest / projects too much, me thinks!! Jajajajajaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?[/QUOTE]Harvard highly regarded? By whom, it has been corrupted by Chinese yuan like most universities, you have a lot of respect for China? No way, only an anti American fool like you would.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1444197/china-war-beijing-state-media-us-joe-biden-xi-jinping-showdown-ont[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-china-bigger-danger-than-russia-says-romney-20210627-kbarwymftjeg3e55zvav3kjrwi-story.html[/URL]

Even Dirtbag Mitten disagrees.

And I served our military as well big, fucking deal bro!

That means nothing compared to your anti American writings.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130[/URL]

I'm sure there are many anti Americans like yourself that have done so.

I have found in my travels around the world I have met many American expats that hate America, not all just most, I have read Tallmans posts and I don't believe this applies to him, because there are always outliers.

But many of the others hate America so much they left, good riddance.

So feel free to admit you hate the USA so much you left, and you love China.

Oh wait don't bother everyone can already see it, its obvio.

And I really love the bill of rights.

Espec 1 A and 2 A.

And in case you didn't notice the 1 A doesn't apply on ISG there is an admin that moderates many of my posts.

So you don't always get to hear 100% of what I would love to write.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?[/QUOTE][URL]https://newrepublic.com/article/150476/american-elite-universities-selfcensorship-china[/URL]

[URL]https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/09/12/wilson-center-releases-study-chinas-influence-and-interference-us-higher-ed[/URL]

[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/international/541196-china-has-already-infiltrated-americas-institutions[/URL]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chinese-efforts-to-infiltrate-us-colleges-gop-scrutiny[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nas.org/reports/corrupting-the-college-board[/URL]

[URL]https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/chinas-damaging-influence-and-exploitation-us-colleges-and-universities[/URL]

[URL]https://www.alreporter.com/2020/06/18/brooks-warns-that-communist-china-is-infiltrating-american-universities/[/URL]

Here is a suggestion, if I buy something online, no matter what it is a check all the packaging, if it says made in China anywhere.

I send it back if they ask for a reason, I say I don't like cheap made in China garbage!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?[/QUOTE]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China? Seriously?

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-05-05/covid-s-shockwaves-took-poverty-in-latin-america-to-a-new-nadir[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

They just killed millions not unlike Maos famine (the number of global deaths is probably under reported by several fold?

They probably drove a billion back into extreme poverty, how many tens of millions will starve, and die from not getting medical care etc.

No more school for 100's of millions, but you "have a lot of respect for them" you are fucking brain dead and one sick fuck!

Get your tongue out of their assholes, this is a hooker forum!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. [/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-taiwan-war-communism/2021/07/02/id/1027327/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. [/QUOTE]So they are selling water.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575942][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-taiwan-war-communism/2021/07/02/id/1027327/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/01/time-for-a-biden-china-special-counsel/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-trump-adviser-jason-miller-new-social-app-gettr-backed-by-guo-wengui-tied-foundation-11625199130[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575385]I went to pvt schools in America, I'm pretty sure most American pvt schools are better than any euro trash schools jajajajaaaaaaaa.[/QUOTE]Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

Here is a measure of how good the USA education system is compared to the rest of the world, even including the private schools that the rich and privileged take advantage of:

[URL]https://www.arealme.com/iq/average-iq-by-country.html[/URL]

USA down at nr 38 in avge IQ. Coming in just BELOW NORTH Korea! You folks need to stop encouraging people like Donald Trump. Midn you, stupid knows how to speak to stupid.

And here is a scorecard of best education systems:

[URL]https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/[/URL]

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576111]Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

Here is a measure of how good the USA education system is compared to the rest of the world, even including the private schools that the rich and privileged take advantage of:

[URL]https://www.arealme.com/iq/average-iq-by-country.html[/URL]

USA down at nr 38 in avge IQ. Coming in just BELOW NORTH Korea! You folks need to stop encouraging people like Donald Trump. Midn you, stupid knows how to speak to stupid.

And here is a scorecard of best education systems:

[URL]https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/[/URL]

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.[/QUOTE]Yes lets change the conversation from shitty China by all means any by any means jajajajaja.

Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

The USA is a very heterogeneous society, diverse groups diverse classes.

The best schools in the universe are in the USA period.

I didn't goto to a shitty state school like yourself so, all that matters is the end result which is.

That you are are semi illiterate fool, but lets talk about anything but how shitty China is.

I don't see people doing this to send their kids to shitty China schools.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/yusi-molly-zhao-china-stanford.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-29/college-admissions-scandal-chinese-mother-plea-deal[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/us/college-admissions-scandal-charges.html[/URL]

[URL]https://nwasianweekly.com/2019/09/chinese-parent-charged-in-college-admissions-scandal/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575690][URL]https://www.alreporter.com/2020/06/18/brooks-warns-that-communist-china-is-infiltrating-american-universities/[/URL][/QUOTE]First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

[URL]https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations[/URL]

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio.

Oh, you don't like reading something from bright and reasonable minds.

Here is an article that I'm sure you will drool over. It is from one of your type of sources:

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/01/berkshires-charlie-munger-applauds-communist-china-for-totalitarian-tactics/[/URL]

Who is that Charley Munger guy? He is Warren Buffett's partner and Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway. Have you heard of it?

Here is a You-Tube clip just on the off chance you might want to learn something.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCTsKV7g4w[/URL]

So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576111]Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

[URL]https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/[/URL]

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.[/QUOTE]I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.

Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.

The system was set up to tolerate that more.

The reality is that major innovations and progress don't come from better averages. They come from the few that are outliers, and here there is not even a question that the US produces some that do the best in their fields. So the top Universities will absolutely be here and the innovation follows. It happens here and the best scientists want to be in the ecosystems here so they can closely collaborate with the best. Now all that said, for whatever reason the country does appear to be getting less tolerant of these gaps, and the media and political classes are exploiting it. The results may lag but they eventually do follow. For now between the magnet of immigration of a certain minority of highly educated immigrants, and a still more tolerant than EU of success etc. The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576209]I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.

Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.

The system was set up to tolerate that more.

The reality is that major innovations and progress don't come from better averages. They come from the few that are outliers, and here there is not even a question that the US produces some that do the best in their fields. So the top Universities will absolutely be here and the innovation follows. It happens here and the best scientists want to be in the ecosystems here so they can closely collaborate with the best. Now all that said, for whatever reason the country does appear to be getting less tolerant of these gaps, and the media and political classes are exploiting it. The results may lag but they eventually do follow. For now between the magnet of immigration of a certain minority of highly educated immigrants, and a still more tolerant than EU of success etc. The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.[/QUOTE]But mental midgets will use stats like he did, like the fools that try to say the "best" medical care isn't in the USA jajaja.

Maybe that's true if you are dirt poor? But as they say "stats don't lie, but liars use stats".

And then mental midgets will quote them jajajajajaja.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2576126]Yes lets change the conversation from shitty China by all means any by any means jajajajaja.
[/QUOTE]I haven't once spoken about China, so how can I have changed the subject away from China?

You are the type of person that can only consider ideas from your own narrow perspective, so you have to categorise everyone's view as black or white. You are unable to accept nuance. In fact, you can't even discuss other people's opinions bcos you know nothing about them. That's why you need to keep going back to the subject that you feel comfortable with. And hence claiming that it's me that's changing the s / to. Haha. Your a waste of time to speak to.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576209]I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.
Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with much of what you say. The USA clearly does have great education for the rich-elites, but not for the vast majority. I was just trying to make a point to the dimwit among us. Innovation can come from outliers. But more importantly from a society or culture that encourages innovation.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576209].The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.[/QUOTE]This is the part I would not agree with. But I don't feel up for a discussion today. .

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576315]I haven't once spoken about China, so how can I have changed the subject away from China?[/QUOTE]You so stooooooooooopid jajajajajajaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2576165]First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

[URL]https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations[/URL]

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio.

Oh, you don't like reading something from bright and reasonable minds.

Here is an article that I'm sure you will drool over. It is from one of your type of sources:

[URL]https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/01/berkshires-charlie-munger-applauds-communist-china-for-totalitarian-tactics/[/URL]

Who is that Charley Munger guy? He is Warren Buffett's partner and Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway. Have you heard of it?

Here is a You-Tube clip just on the off chance you might want to learn something.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCTsKV7g4w[/URL]

So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.[/QUOTE]Investors are parasites, they love the cheap chinese slave labor, they are todays equivalent of slave owners 200 yrs ago.

Charley Munger W Buffet and espec Ray Dalio are all pro China turds.

They love China stealing American IP and mass producing it even cheaper so they can move up the ranks of the worlds richest billionaires list for the last 40 yrs.

Look at Ray Dalios son, up in smoke, awwwwwww what a shame, one less globalist / slave labor anti American POS.

[URL]https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ray-devon-dalio-death-linkedin[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/business/dealbook/foxconn-worker-conditions.html[/URL]

China is one big POS plantation circa 2021, and you think because Ray likes his slave labor profits that makes China good.

You really have some serious psych issues dude!

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gordonchang-hongkong-taiwan-espionage/2021/07/04/id/1027417/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-adviser-jason-miller-to-launch-gettr-a-cancel-free-social-media-platform[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-americanism-in-america-counterculture_3883381.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-panned-for-american-flag-tweet[/URL]

Get your tongue unstuck from their assholes you freak!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2576165]So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.[/QUOTE]Look scumbag, you're not my better or anyone else's, you're an anti American turd that left the USA and loves its enemy.

China has made a bunch of money off of stealing trillions and trillions of USD in IP from American companies over the last 40 yrs to the benefit of a few.

Dirtbags.

They are just one big plantation / sweat shop.

They are destroying the globe environmentally and now with the Chinese virus.

And you won't take your tongue out of their assholes.

[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15465131/ww3-fears-chinese-state-media-three-stage-battle-plan/[/URL]

This gives me a huge boner, I would love to see WW3 with them!! The sooner the better.

Trust me, America will show the rest of the world who is el rey.

And the ccp is just another Asian paper tiger jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Please move to China before the war starts, I will even buy your ow ticket to Beijing.

It will be poetic justice that you're one of the first taken out.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/china-state-media-says-country-must-prepare-nuclear-war-us-after-biden-asks-covid-probe-1596568[/URL]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/chinese-media-says-beijing-expanding-its-nuclear-arsenal/[/URL]

You need to be arrested for treason.

For trying to give aid and comfort to the enemy!

Rot in hell scumbag!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2576540]Look scumbag, you're not my better or anyone else's, you're an anti American turd that left the USA and loves its enemy.

China has made a bunch of money off of stealing trillions and trillions of USD in IP from American companies over the last 40 yrs to the benefit of a few.

Dirtbags.

They are just one big plantation / sweat shop.

They are destroying the globe environmentally and now with the Chinese virus.

And you won't take your tongue out of their assholes.

[URL]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15465131/ww3-fears-chinese-state-media-three-stage-battle-plan/[/URL]

This gives me a huge boner, I would love to see WW3 with them!! The sooner the better.

Trust me, America will show the rest of the world who is el rey.

And the ccp is just another Asian paper tiger jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Please move to China before the war starts, I will even buy your ow ticket to Beijing.[/QUOTE]Don't buy made in China trash.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNBGpn40IQ[/URL]

Cool video!! Jajajaa.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2576850]Don't buy made in China trash.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNBGpn40IQ[/URL]

Cool video!! Jajajaa.[/QUOTE]The "quality" or lack thereof, for made in China nukes.

Now remember like the Chinese virus vaccines they were unable to steal the American specs.

ROTFLMFAO.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2576165]First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

[URL]https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations[/URL]

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/us-china-covid-lies.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2576165]First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

[URL]https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations[/URL]

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio..[/QUOTE]Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-xijingping-censorship/2021/07/06/id/1027703/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2577395]Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?.[/QUOTE]No, kiddo, I'm retired and when I'm not having an orgasmic experience with some of the babes that abound here, I like to emasculate the little narcissists such as yourself who pretend to be visitors to Medellin. I know, I know you are going to have to look that one up. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/am-i-dating-a-narcissist[/URL]

There is a very good description of 9 qualities that would define a narcissist. And you seem to fit them all.

By the way, as an aside, I really enjoyed a couple of the stories you posted in the main forum (although I think everything you write could fit into this sub-forum).

Remember? First was you didn't take your passport to get a CoVid test? Then after you finally took the test you forgot your passport to get the results. Who could be that stupid? Oh well. Let's go on to the second story you posted.

You found some hooker that agreed to see you. Hmmm, and you went to a short term hotel. Why? Did you forget to check and make sure that the place you were renting or staying would permit visitors? Kind of a rookie mistake isn't it? OK but I have to laugh, you go to the s / t hotel and rent a room and then when you get to the room the girl wants to be paid up front. Jajajaja you told her no and she refused to continue on with you. I have to give her a lot of credit. She read you like the jism stained comic book that you are. She showed great judgement, seeing that she was dealing with a self-aggrandizing narcissist she wanted to make sure she got paid. Jajajajaja.

Thanks for the laughs, junior!

Sorry but so-what.

4,000,000 (4 mil) people have died worldwide of COVID (supposedly). Roughly 8,000,000,000 (8 bil) people on the planet. Doing a little math puts my chance of dying at .0005%.

So if it was 100 times worse my chance of dying is still only. 05%!

Destroying everyone's way of life over this?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.[/QUOTE]China gave us the virus, we gave the world the cure, how apropos.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/us-china-covid-lies.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates[/URL]

Vastly "undercounted" so how many would die without our vaxs? While them sell everyone water as vaxs?

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

But I respect the 1st amendment? Really how ironic / pathetic, you like free speech but you hate the country that gave it to you, so you moved to a 3rd world country, and.

Love the worlds biggest enemy of free speech.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2577730]No, kiddo, I'm retired and when I'm not having an orgasmic experience with some of the babes that abound here, I like to emasculate the little narcissists such as yourself who pretend to be visitors to Medellin. I know, I know you are going to have to look that one up. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/am-i-dating-a-narcissist[/URL]

There is a very good description of 9 qualities that would define a narcissist. And you seem to fit them all.

By the way, as an aside, I really enjoyed a couple of the stories you posted in the main forum (although I think everything you write could fit into this sub-forum).

Remember? First was you didn't take your passport to get a CoVid test? Then after you finally took the test you forgot your passport to get the results. Who could be that stupid? Oh well. Let's go on to the second story you posted.[/QUOTE]You took your tongue out of Chinas collective asshole to write some nonsense for us.

Now get back at it you freak you have 1.4 billion to lick clean.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2577879] While them sell everyone water as vaxs?[/QUOTE]I have to wonder about that private school you "claim" you attended. Did they teach English there?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578008]I have to wonder about that private school you "claim" you attended. Did they teach English there?[/QUOTE]I'm sorry I don't know how to type up to your standard jajajjaa (I don't have a vagina like some here jajajaja).

But yes lets talk about typos (1 letter off) on a hooker forum rather than what a Xi butthole loving, anti American POS you are.

Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.

I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578019]I'm sorry I don't know how to type up to your standard jajajjaa (I don't have a vagina like some here jajajaja).

But yes lets talk about typos (1 letter off) on a hooker forum rather than what a Xi butthole loving, anti American POS you are.

Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.

I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.[/QUOTE]It's not the 'vagina' you're missing. It's something a little higher up that is lacking, junior. Oh, and I probably should be more forgiving. Afterall high-school students don't have it all together yet.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578059]It's not the 'vagina' you're missing. It's something a little higher up that is lacking, junior. Oh, and I probably should be more forgiving. Afterall high-school students don't have it all together yet.[/QUOTE]Are you a really creepy old gay Chinese dood? Or a really creepy old gay white China fluffer?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578019]....... Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.
I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.[/QUOTE]I just noticed that you raised the issue of ass-licking several times. Clearly, you are fixated on this activity. If you ever really visit Medellin (for real as opposed to in your fantasies) I'm sure I could find a girl that will let you give her "beso-negro" "beso polaco" or "beso de colibrí". See junior! Chill! I'm trying to help you out.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2577395]Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?[/QUOTE]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577682]And that the virus is likely to mutate, meaning that those people that are want vaxxes are likely to need a new one every XX months / years? [/QUOTE]Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?

"Drugmaker Pfizer said Thursday it is seeing waning immunity from its coronavirus vaccine and says it is picking up its efforts to develop a booster dose that will protect people from variants.

It said it would seek emergency use authorization from the US Food and Drug Administration for a booster dose in August after releasing more data about how well a third dose of vaccine works. ".

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578123]I just noticed that you raised the issue of ass-licking several times. Clearly, you are fixated on this activity. If you ever really visit Medellin (for real as opposed to in your fantasies) I'm sure I could find a girl that will let you give her "beso-negro" "beso polaco" or "beso de colibr". See junior! Chill! I'm trying to help you out.[/QUOTE]Funny story.

Ok I'm in Mde several weeks ago, I want a massage and I take an Uber to Rio Sur mall, as I go up the stairs and enter, a rent a cop asks in espanol what I'm looking for, I tell him and he gets excited (I'm guessing he gets a kick back) he's very eager to take me to Zen, I go in and there's a puta in her late 30's sitting in an office chair acting like she's Gordon Gecko, bad attitude wants 140 mil, I ask how many putas she says 3 including her, I asked to see the other 2 and she got offended so I left, I checked out a few other places in the bldg, finally my last stop I walk in, a 20 something morena is sitting on the couch very quiet and a.

Very white skinned older MILF with blonde hair and some English and very very smiley friendly eager beaver persona, says 100 mil.

I look at both and say fuck it, I picked the MILF, I have no plans of sex jajajaja I just want a massage.

I go in she starts massaging, I've had massages all over the world, never have I seen such strong hands, so she starts pouring hot oil on the back of my thighs and ass cheeks, and I point to my ass crack so she pours some there, the next thing she puts her finger on my culo, and says SI? I say lengue solo! She says propina? I say cuantos, she says 40, I say ok.

So she wipes off the oil and starts licking my crack and anus, she's like a porn star, so she's really going at it, so I get on all four, and she's jerking my crank like a slot machine from behind and licking from the tip up the shaft. Sucking balls taint, licking all the way to my waistline, then she starts slowly tongue fucking my culo, ok OMG she's deep 150% of her tongue, I'm really agitated by now jajajaja.

So I say ok fuck this, I jump off the table peel her skin tight scrubs down around her ankles and starting drilling her as hard as I can, she came several times (from semi wet to sooper wet and back again and again).

I stopped for a minute pulled her shirt off and sat her in a chair and had her blow me only to say, nope that pussy is too good and tight, so I finally decided to fill her with my hot sauce, so I could get the rest of my massage, I jumped back up and said, mas massage LOL at the end I asked if I pay her or the desk, she said her in the room and 100 for the massage to the desk, so I ask how much, she says 100 plus 200, I laugh, no way, she says ok 100 and 100,I paid her, I really hope I didn't overpay, I tried to stick it in her ass but she said no it was virjin, when I go to the desk I see a 3rd puta, I did get the best jajaja.

I'm getting older so my ability to tell ages is shit, she was somewhere between 39 and 59, def the oldest pussy I've ever fucked, I'm guessing she was younger than me? I don't know? Early 40's??

So I tried to take a nice foto at the desk of them in their scrubs, they all hit the floor like I flashed my 45 jajajajaja.

I did get her whatsapp, the next day I ask her if she wants to visit my hotel and she says sure, I say only if I can have the culo, she says ok, 400, I say no way, she says 300, I say 100, she says 200 if I visit the spa.

I'm guessing that would be 200 plus 100, I had fun, but would I do her again, nope (one and done for me).

In conclusion, Rio Sur is a shitty place if you want a real massage, I recd another in Mde I will try to write about it manana.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2577770]And nobody knows, including JB2 where he got infected as he reported..[/QUOTE]Surfer, I was in Mexico. There was a hottie I was banging. She said that she could not smell or taste. I figured she had Covid and stupidly banged her anyway, but I did take some precautions. She later told me she tested + for Covid and I did not get it and had a negative antibody test.

When in Bogota, three of us ISG guys were hanging in a crowded Club Fiebre with its shitty ventilation system without a mask. That was stupid and another high risk event.

But my point is this: I knew what high risk was. I got away with it, but I should have been more cautious. I have been around hundreds of people with Covid taken common sense precautions, and I have not gotten it. The Republican retards want to say Covid is fake, and the Democratic douches want to say you can catch Covid from anything, and it has gotten in the way of real information to the point that I am shocked no way is willing to say where and when JJ likely got Covid. You say no one knows, but you can make an educated guess with a high degree of probability if you know some facts which no one seems to want to talk about.

But that is what is so funny. Everybody is too busy talking politics and no one is mentioning facts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578139]Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?[/QUOTE]The potential for the usefulness of booster doses has long been on the table, doesn't take a prophet or a rocket scientist to call that. However Pfizer isn't the final word as to if such will be released in the near future. The CDC, for one, isn't in agreement.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2577995]So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. [/QUOTE]Yeah this is what you want. But there is zero evidence to suggest it will happen. That is the issue. You want to feel warm and cozy that things will work out fine, but no study claims that will happen. Really, I ask you. Show me ANY reputable study that says the virus will be eliminated thru vaccination. You won't find it bcos it has never happened and nothing points to it happening this time.

You want the virus to disappear. We all do. Your government misleads you in to thinking that is the end game, but there is no logic in that.

"I predict. " - yeah you predict, just like your government predicts. Based on what exactly? Your warm cozy hopes for the future, that is all. Your comments about Brazil and India are also arse about face. The variants didn't emerge where the virus raged. The virus raged bcos THAT IS where the variants emerged! Dios mio! . And so it will go on.

I get that you want to have faith, but that is all it is, I am sorry to say. Show me some facts and I will listen. Until then all evidence shows the virus mutates and causes hot spots and deaths. Already the big pharmas are developing booster shots to vaccines that haven't even been rolled out yet except in the super rich countries.

And your comment about only vaccinated people should be allowed on planes. There are huge flaws in that idea too. Vaccinated people can and do spread the virus from country to country. Thats why countries like USA still require tests from vaccinated people on arrival. Secondly, people can be clean without the vaccine. Tests can be as effective as the vax. Thirdly, people scan have recovered and are just as safe as vaxxed people. The Eurozone already support this reality. Check out their arrivals procedures for proof. They accept. Vaccinated people, people that have ceritificates of recovery, people with recent negavtive test results. There is no favouritism. They are all equally valid. That seems like quite a sensible policy to me in the current climate. Bcos it is astute and allows people to get on with their lives. In the reality that we have to live with this.

Again, I am not a dumb headstrong person that beleives in wild conspiracies. Quite the contrary. If you think I am then point to some evidence and I will analyse it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578139]Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?
"Drugmaker Pfizer said Thursday it is seeing waning immunity from its coronavirus vaccine and says it is picking up its efforts to develop a booster dose that will protect people from variants.
[/QUOTE]Thank you good sir! . It's the truth unfortunately. I don't like it any more than anyone else. But who would be happy to buy in to a future where they need to have constant booster vaxxes simply to live a free life? It's a genuine question from me to you lot. Bcos to me there only seems to be 2 end games. We subject ourselves to a future of endless vaccine shots, or we learn to live with it and deal with it as best we can through health care and medication. One is a solution that we follow for all other health issues, the other one is a road to insanity. .

[QUOTE=JustTK;2578322] The variants didn't emerge where the virus raged. The virus raged bcos THAT IS where the variants emerged! Dios mio! . And so it will go on.[/QUOTE]Bare ignorance exhibited proudly as a strong asset. I am not surprised, because it happens often, but it always amazes me.

I don't know how much math did you study at school, so I will keep it simple. There is a probability [i]P[/i] that a virus mutates during replication. There is a probability [i]Q[/i] that the mutation favours the virus and thus is transmitted to newer generations (Darwin teaches). Both probabilities are very small. The number of mutations that emerge is thus [i]P[/i]*[i]Q[/i]*[i]N[/i], where [i]N[/i] is the number of virus replications.
In other words, the more replications, the more mutations.

==> In a country were there are more infections, there are more virus replications happening ==> there are more mutations emerging.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2578334]Bare ignorance exhibited proudly as a strong asset. I am not surprised, because it happens often, but it always amazes me.

I don't know how much math did you study at school, so I will keep it simple. There is a probability [i]P[/i] that a virus mutates during replication. There is a probability [i]Q[/i] that the mutation favours the virus and thus is transmitted to newer generations (Darwin teaches). Both probabilities are very small. The number of mutations that emerge is thus [i]P[/i]*[i]Q[/i]*[i]N[/i], where [i]N[/i] is the number of virus replications.
In other words, the more replications, the more mutations.
[/QUOTE]Viruses mutate all the time, everywhere. Most mutations are inconsequential but occasionally we notice the change bcos it impacts us and causes us additional harm. These changes happen all the time and can happen anywhere that the virus is present. If the mutation is one in to a more virulent strain then it will be obvious and "rage". Agreed, it will happen in places more commonly where the virus is commonplace, but it is the variant that causes the rage, not the rage that causes the variant. Correlation, not causation.

Again, another that likes to insult bcos they THINK they have knowledge. So show me your knowledge. Show me proof that the virus was already raging when Delta occurred. Please! As far as I can see, Delta was detected in Oct 2020 - way before India "raged" ([URL]https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-what-do-we-know-about-the-coronavirus-delta-variant/a-57949754[/URL]). So please. Come on. Hit me with it. Give me your best evidence.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2578317]Another one that strawman's my POV. I never said we should do nothing. I was simply reflecting on the current international policy and that it is not going to get us where we all want to be. The vax policy is not going to eliminate the virus, the virus will mutate, and we will have to live with it. In what way does that imply I think we should do nothing or that I am privileged? It doesn't. If you think so, then you are inventing meaning to the words that I wrote.[/QUOTE]You have chosen to do nothing by not being vaccinated. Anything you say after that about solving the problem is the definition of hypocrisy, such as talking about health and nutrition and other interventions as public health solutions when clearly there is an effective vaccine that is saving lives every day. Stay on point if you can about what works here and now, and not your hypothetical future state.

One rhetorical question, what do people like you think if and when someone close to you, if not yourself, dies from Covid after not being vaccinated? Your mother, your daughter, your sister (I'm stuck on females because this board is about mongering). How do you rationalize that in your marginalized mind?

I am not surprised you are that guy who when he orders Rappi, that no one gets his "special order" right and you have to constantly struggle with returns and refunds. That is something I have never experienced once in my life, although I have used Rappi a lot. By your own admission, that is your routine. What kind of off-kilter tourist obsesses on food delivery orders in a foreign country? That speaks volumes about your personality. And anyone who tries to list their IQ by number in a public forum automatically gets a 25 point deduction, thems the rules, jajajaa.

You may have the last word if you wish, I will not debate this issue with someone who has taken up membership in the The Flat Earth Society. And I won't see your response as I have added you to my Ignore List.

Face it, you see yourself as better and above the rest where the standard rules don't apply. I'm thinking that probably has not worked out well for you in life so far, in your house of cards. If you weren't putting others at risk with your nonsense, then no one would care. I think that is what is troubling you, no one caring, and for that I am empathetic for you.

Pepperidge Farms Remembers.

Remember when people wrote about places to stay, places to visit and places to eat? Remember when people discussed girls, services and prices? Remember when people reported on their experiences in Medellin? Apparently I'm too fucking old, because I yearn for those good old days.

I wrote about getting Covid and having to quarantine, because I got Covid and had to quarantine, and because it's highly likely that other members of the forum might find themselves in the same predicament. I didn't write about it so a dozen people who know less about science than I know about the housing market in ancient Mesopotamia, could spend all their time praising themselves and insulting everyone else. For the few who actually are knowledgeable on the subject, I understand your pain and appreciate your restraint to keep from engaging in all the silliness.

If any of the admins are still alive, I have a suggestion:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect Ban. Ban anyone who invokes the Dunning-Kruger Effect (DKE) as part of any discussion outside of the Stupid Shit threads. There are 2 reasons why this needs to be done. The first is that nearly every time, on any medium, someone claims another is exhibiting DKE, they are at least as guilty. The other reason is simple, it's an ad hominem attack. It's not a refutation of any claims made by another, it's simply "you're stupid", by someone who is unable to mount an effective rebuttal.

To anyone who says that it's impossible to eliminate a virus through vaccination, I have one word for you: Poliomyelitis. Do I believe the currently available vaccines are going to be as effective against Covid? No. There are already too many variants and there are too many people who would much rather listen to anyone yelling conspiracy theories.

The current vaccines are no different than the other steps which were taken (abandoned, reinstated, fought over, etc) last year. They're an attempt to get ahead of the pandemic, get some breathing room and find a better, more permanent solution.

There are 2 approaches to anything which is potentially dangerous. The first is to ignore the risks, ignore the data and continue on until the dangers become too expensive to ignore. The advantage to this approach is that you can maximize profits and later hope the powers that be limit your liability. Mercury, asbestos, tobacco, oxycontin, there are countless examples. The dangers were well known long before any attempts to regulation or protection, but between life and profit, profit always wins.

The other approach is to treat whatever it is as if it might blow up in your face at any moment. Using Covid as an example, that means, until we knew better, we said, disinfect surfaces, avoid touching potentially contaminated surfaces, wash hands, wear gloves. Once we learned that's an unlikely source of infection, we updated our approach and focused on other areas.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Frankly, at this point I don't give a fuck. Just as I don't give a fuck if you're driving and playing on your phone. If there are consequences to your choice, you'll just need to put on your big boy panties and deal with them.

If you're only here to talk about Covid (except as it specifically relates to mongering in Medellin), do us all a favor and go the fuck away until you have something that pertains to mongering in Medellin to write about.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2578334]
==> In a country were there are more infections, there are more virus replications happening ==> there are more mutations emerging.[/QUOTE]BP, I think he got you. You are talking about probability but phrase it in a way like it is a certainty. Because probability is not 100%, TK only needs to find a single case to make his point.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2578365]I was talking to one of my chica friends today and she reminded me of how much she likes anal. I'm not a huge anal lover, but I do like it on occasion, especially if I can convince a chica to do it who has not done it before. I like the fact that is' kind of taboo with a lot of chicas in Medellin. I have a few girls who do it. I have a few others I'm working on. Starting with some rubbing and then some finger penetration. Trying to explain to them how good it will feel because of the number of nerves located there. And telling them I know some girls who can orgasm from anal (which I do). At any rate, if anyone is looking for anal, PM me. I really don't want to give names here, as most of these girls are not broadcasting their willingness to do it. But I can maybe give you a couple of names in PM.

Just a few caveats: these are FB girls, so if you are looking for anal for 50 mil, forget it. On the other hand, they charge reasonable prices, because after visiting Medellin for 16 years, I'm paying the price I want and know is fair. You will not catch me paying the 200+ a lot of guys pay. Also, these girls are not anal porn stars. They are not rimmed out. So it you want to jackhammer a chica in the ass, find a hardcore that is already wearing Depends. Finally, my dick is average size. If your dick is too long or fat, these chicks might get scared. So again, you need to find the true anal pros. These are just nice girls who were willing to try something new and liked it, at least when I did it to them.[/QUOTE]Are we to believe that you are just give out these contacts out of the kindness of your heart?

Were you just sitting around today and pondered to yourself "hmm, I wonder how many strangers on the internet would love to have my chica contacts who do anal?

Trying to be nice. And, yes, I would give them out to people I like. Based on your smart-ass reply, that would not be you. That's for sure.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2578399]Are we to believe that you are just give out these contacts out of the kindness of your heart?

Were you just sitting around today and pondered to yourself "hmm, I wonder how many strangers on the internet would love to have my chica contacts who do anal?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2578408]Trying to be nice. And, yes, I would give them out to people I like. Based on your smart-ass reply, that would not be you. That's for sure.[/QUOTE]Well fortunately I am not such a loser to where I would have to be begging total strangers for anal contacts on the internet, lmao!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2578350]BP, I think he got you. You are talking about probability but phrase it in a way like it is a certainty. Because probability is not 100%, TK only needs to find a single case to make his point.[/QUOTE]I remember overhearing a coworker about 10 years ago. He was complaining because he had gotten a fine from the police for not wearing his seatbelt. His complaint was that he knew of someone who had been in an accident, while wearing a seatbelt, then had died because the car caught fire and he couldn't unfasten the seatbelt. Therefore, seatbelt laws were wrong.

Just as you pointed out, there are people who ignore 99% of the available data and focus on the exceptions as if the only thing that matters is the exception.

Vaccination reduces the spread of the virus. We know that. It's a point which is no more debatable than whether or not the earth is flat. That doesn't mean vaccination is a guarantee against infection. It doesn't mean vaccination will prevent you from infecting others. It means, if you take 2 groups of people, with 100,000 people in each group, with everyone in one group being vaccinated, everyone in the other group being unvaccinated, you'll see a undeniable trend. Expose each group equally to the virus and more people in the unvaccinated group will become infected, more will require hospitalization and more will die.

Whether anyone here chooses to get vaccinated, I don't really care. It's unlikely I'm going to suffer from their decision. However, all I've seen from the people arguing against getting vaccinated is "because I don't want to. " Everything else is just childish rationalization. At least have the balls to admit it.

Oh, it's because you don't want to help the pharmaceutical companies make a profit? How many pills have you taken in your lifetime? I'll start believing you when you start preaching about the benefits of an organic, vegan diet. Otherwise, every time you pop that little blue pill, you're proving how full of shit you are.

You don't want to get into the cycle of having to take another vaccine later? Maybe I missed your social media campaigns against annual flu shots, tetanus booster shots, required TB testing prior to being prescribed certain medication, regularly scheduled dental exams, annual physical exams, eye exams, driver's license renewals, etc. Guess what. We don't live in a world where every solution is one and done. Using that logic cancer patients shouldn't bother with surgery, chemotherapy or radiation treatments, because they're going to be going back every 3 months for the next five years to make sure they're still cancer free.

Which leaves us with it's your personal decision. Which is true. Nobody is forcing you to get the vaccine. However, your decisions often affect others, and you can't go back and choose differently once your nose is rubbed in the consequences.

Dozens of examples come to mind, but I'll just give one.

A little over 30 years ago I worked for a big towing company in San Diego. If your car was impounded in San Diego from 1989 to 1991, I was probably someway involved. Sorry.

One Sunday morning I was hanging around the office when the "lawyer" showed up to get his car. CHP had taken him to jail the night before and had us tow his car. He had a lot to say. He was going to sue the CHP. They had no right to arrest him. He was going to sue the towing company. His BMW was brand new and there better not be a scratch on it. He was going to sue me for refusing to bring him his car.

To prevent being sued, I told him I would take him to his car. While his BMW might have been brand new 24 hours earlier, by the time he was arrested it had undergone significant depreciation. The front bumper was almost completely torn off, one of the front wheels was horizontal instead of vertical and there was damage all over the car, from all the things he hit between the time he blacked out and finally came to a stop, buried in iceplant. To top it off he had puked all over the driver's door, inside and out. You could smell the alcohol from 20 feet away.

He had plenty to say, until we got about 20 feet away. At that point he could no longer maintain the fantasy that everyone else was to blame. He walked once around the car, head hung down, in silence. Then he walked out the gate and walked off down the street. A few days later his insurance company had us tow the car to a body shop.

As I've said, I don't care what anyone does. If they find themselves in the situation where their favorite chica is devastated because her mother died from Covid, or when they find out their brother had to spend 10 days quarantined in a foreign country, they will deal with it in their own way.

One final thought and I'm done. For more than a year we've seen lots of stories about people who refused to wear masks, refused to socially distance and refused to get vaccinated and then later found themselves severely ill, or dying from Covid. Almost every time the person expressed regret that they didn't take it seriously. I've yet to see anything from anyone who says they wish they hadn't taken the disease seriously, instead of doing everything they could to keep from becoming a casualty.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578346]I wrote about getting Covid and having to quarantine, because I got Covid and had to quarantine, and because it's highly likely that other members of the forum might find themselves in the same predicament. I didn't write about it so a dozen people who know less about science than I know about the housing market in ancient Mesopotamia, could spend all their time praising themselves and insulting everyone else. For the few who actually are knowledgeable on the subject, I understand your pain and appreciate your restraint to keep from engaging in all the silliness.[/QUOTE]JJBee, one week before you got sick, I made a post and deleted it. I did it right after you got an ambulance ride and asked, "Anyone want to guess how I get sick?

Seeing as how you follow science, if I asked you what the two biggest killers health wise in America you would likely say heart disease and cancer, and that is factually correct. Based on my experience, it is not. What I wrote is the two biggest killers are arrogance and denial, and you have both in spades.

How many times did I hear Rush Limbaugh go off on anti-tobacco people? And what did he die of? Scientifically, he died from lung cancer from smoking. In reality, he died of arrogance. And you know what separates you from Rush Limbaugh on this arrogance issue, JJBee? Not a damned thing.

You go from the USA where we at a 12, 14 month low in cases to Colombia which is hitting all time highs with cases. Typically, it takes five days from exposure to disease and then you are like, "Gee, duh, I do not where I got it from. Maybe it was from a toilet seat at a Florida airport. "

And then there is the karma aspect. Elvirus huh? Real fucking funny now isn't it?

In summary, you go to Colombia as a walking Petri dish, think you are safe because you read a study about vaccines, have no fucking clue what at risk activity is, and not only got the disease but bragged about only infecting one other person. Shaking my head.

And you think you are helping people with Covid telling your story? Uh no, you are a fucking poster child for the antivax movement. You put politics above everything else. Hell, you even called out Republicans being stupid and their conspiracy theories when you first got sick. Maybe you should worry about your own health before anyone else's huh? Yeah, I think that would be smart, but in your own mind, you have a higher IQ so that cannot be.

Last I checked 750 people who had the vaccine died of Covid and 4000+ have been hospitalized.

In the USA, given where we are with herd immunity and the side effects of the vaccine, it is not appropriate for you or anyone else to call people stupid for not getting the vaccine. In my opinion, that is a decision that someone should make after being educated on all aspects of everything or seeing their doctor, but you Democratic douches think you know best for everyone.

As to why, Fauci et al think everyone should get vaccinated as that is following the "science", but it is not. For me, there are at least three scenarios about who should or should not get the vaccine: A 70 year old with diabetes? Fuck yes, he should get the vaccine. A 40 year old in good health? Maybe. If he is going to Colombia, he sure as hell should. A 15 year boy in good health? Fuck no, there have been too many cases of pericarditis associated with the vaccine.

I don't care how much MSNBC you watch. No one here is qualified to make generalized health care decisions for other people and especially not you.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578147]Funny story.

Ok I'm in Mde several weeks ago, I want a massage and I take an Uber to Rio Sur mall, as I go up the stairs and enter, a rent a cop asks in espanol what I'm looking for, I tell him and he gets excited (I'm guessing he gets a kick back) he's very eager to take me to Zen, I go in and there's a puta in her late 30's sitting in an office chair acting like she's Gordon Gecko, bad attitude wants 140 mil, I ask how many putas she says 3 including her, I asked to see the other 2 and she got offended so I left, I checked out a few other places in the bldg, finally my last stop I walk in, a 20 something morena is sitting on the couch very quiet and a.

Very white skinned older MILF with blonde hair and some English and very very smiley friendly eager beaver persona, says 100 mil.

I look at both and say fuck it, I picked the MILF, I have no plans of sex jajajaja I just want a massage.

I go in she starts massaging, I've had massages all over the world, never have I seen such strong hands, so she starts pouring hot oil on the back of my thighs and ass cheeks, and I point to my ass crack so she pours some there, the next thing she puts her finger on my culo, and says SI? I say lengue solo! She says propina? I say cuantos, she says 40, I say ok.

So she wipes off the oil and starts licking my crack and anus, she's like a porn star, so she's really going at it, so I get on all four, and she's jerking my crank like a slot machine from behind and licking from the tip up the shaft. Sucking balls taint, licking all the way to my waistline, then she starts slowly tongue fucking my culo, ok OMG she's deep 150% of her tongue, I'm really agitated by now jajajaja..[/QUOTE]She's not my type either, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2578138]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.[/QUOTE]It has almost 1.4 billion slaves, the US chamber of Commerce crowd loves them over any American worker.

And then you have the anti American crowd that hates everything China stands for, but they still love them because they are not white and they are not America.

With anti American scumbags like V they don't need a great pr team.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/uganda-covid-vaccines.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2578138]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8[/URL]

They all carry water (ass lickers) for the ccp.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578435]Vaccination reduces the spread of the virus. We know that. It's a point which is no more debatable than whether or not the earth is flat.
Oh, it's because you don't want to help the pharmaceutical companies make a profit? How many pills have you taken in your lifetime?

You don't want to get into the cycle of having to take another vaccine later? Maybe I missed your social media campaigns against annual flu shots, tetanus booster shots,

Which leaves us with it's your personal decision.[/QUOTE]It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578665]That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!
[/QUOTE]Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578665]It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.[/QUOTE]"On average" is wonderful. On average a Major League Baseball player will get a base hit 1 out of every 4 at bats. Does that mean no baseball player will ever get 10 hits in 10 consecutive times at bat? No. Does it mean no hitter will ever go to the plate 54 consecutive times without getting a hit. Also no. It just means, when you add them all together that's what the average comes out to be.

When talking vaccines and medications, which are 2 different animals, it gets more complicated. Let me try to simply it for you.

Let's say you're a mechanic and the only cars you've ever seen or worked on are 1954-1973 Volkswagen Beetles. You can probably rebuild a 1600 CC dual port VW engine blindfolded. You can probably diagnose a problem just by listening. If someone brings you one of those cars, if you can't fix it, it can't be fixed.

One day someone shows up with a Meyers Manx dune buggy. It looks a lot different from all those Beetles. But, when you tear into it, it's just a different body sitting on a VW chassis. Same engine, same transmission. Turns out you already know quite a lot about the car.

You could change that to a Porsche if you want. Each one you find that you're not starting over from scratch. Instead you already have a foundation of knowledge, which helps to understand how the new vehicle is different.

Which brings us back to SARS-CoV-2. We already know a great deal about Coronaviruses. We already know about SARS. In fact, a vaccine for SARS was developed more than 15 years ago.

Let's assume for just a moment that all those researchers at all those pharmaceutical companies aren't idiots. A new virus comes along, which has a lot of similarities to a known virus. Do you think they're going to throw out nearly 20 years of knowledge and start over from scratch? Or are they going to compare the new virus to similar known viruses and check out known vulnerabilities? Are they just going to put on blindfolds and start throwing darts, hoping one will hit, or are they going to take what they already know and attempt to isolate the difference?

So the vaccine development didn't begin 2 months before the vaccines went into trials. The vaccine development has been ongoing for 20 years.

Now let's talk about medicine, since you want to conflate medication development with vaccine development. It makes as much sense as comparing toilet paper with toothpaste, but I'll humor you.

Vaccine development is typically pushed by health agencies, in response to a particular disease. The WHO, CDC, NIH and others work with educational and pharmaceutical groups to facilitate the development of a vaccine in response to a specific disease which poses a serious health risk. In other words, the money comes first. It's like someone taking you to the casino and giving you money to gamble with.

Medicine development originates within the pharmaceutical companies depending upon potential profitability of the medicine.

To simplify it again, when your house is on fire, you call the fire department. When you find out your wife is pregnant with twins you make a financial decision to add on to your existing house, sell and buy a new house, or just deal with the overcrowded conditions.

Many medicines end up effective against diseases which don't exist. So the medicine, which would be profitable sits until the insurance companies accept the new disease as something they will cover. "Shift Work Disorder", "Attention Deficit Disorder" and many eating and sleeping disorders come to mind. It doesn't do any good to market a prescription medication if the insurance companies aren't going to pay for it.

You've probably heard of Viagra. How many of those little blue pills would have been sold if every insurance company refused to cover pills to help guys get erections? How much would Pfizer have spent on marketing if the consumer cost was more than most people could afford?

Another significant difference between a vaccine and a medication is the effectiveness. A vaccine is typically one, or two shots which provides protection for a number of years. Medication is usually something taken regularly for an extended period of time. You might take an antibiotic 4 times a day for 2 weeks (and repeat the next time it hurts to piss). You don't just take one pill and the infection is no longer a problem. What this means is negative reactions to a vaccine usually show up very quickly. However, negative effects from medication can take months and even years to develop, because the effect is cumulative. Taking 1 200 MG ibuprofen probably isn't going to cause a problem. Taking 3200 MG a day for 6 months probably will cause a problem.

Do you understand the difference now?

Your last point is valid. Any time you take any medicine, or receive a vaccine you are exposing yourself to a risk. And in many cases, you're not going to receive compensation if something goes wrong. Even if you do receive compensation, it will likely take many years and by the time you, or your heirs, receive compensation, you'll be lucky to get a dime of every dollar owed to you. That is not a problem limited to companies exempted from liability.

But, figuring out, based on "if something goes wrong" is a simple math problem. There have been about 34 million identified cases of COVID-19 in the US, with 606,000 or so deaths. That means if you get Covid you've got about a 1. 5% chance of dying.

There have been over 300 million doses of the vaccine administered in the US, with 3 deaths attributed to the vaccine. That means your chance of dying because you were vaccinated is. 000000001%.

Let's simplify again. Catching Covid is 15,000,000 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated against Covid. And just like if you're one of the. 000000001% who die from the vaccine, ain't nobody going to send you a check if you die from Covid.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2578723]Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.[/QUOTE]These are just excuses in the anti vaxer movement. The mRNA technology has been in development for nearly 20 yrs. When the Covid-19 outbreak started, one of the only good deeds the Chinese did was to publish the genetic code for the Spike protein of the virus (it would have been identified by sequencing sooner or later in the west) but it did give a few weeks head start. Then the mRNA envelope and technology and gene splicing know how was already in place, so the actual vaccine development went really fast, just a few weeks, then the trials phase 1,2,3 all happened as normally would, looking at the same statistical end points as pertain to any peer reviewed study. The thing that helped ironically was the fact that the virus raged fast during the time of the study, allowing more in the placebo arm to get infected and reaching statistical significance sooner. If you all remember even as Trump would pressure the scientists to announce it before the election, Fauci et al, would comment that we just don't know when we will hit the end point. So finally we did in November and the safety profile to that point was stellar. Since then hundreds of millions of doses later, and about a year since the start of the phase 3 trials, it's really hard to make any reasonable arguement about short term safety. Now looking at prior vaccine trials the vast majority of issues that ever emerged, did so within that time frame, so realistically what is left is in the realm of paranoia. That won't stop the anti vaxer crowd, but the reality is that these things are proving about as darn safe as the air we breathe. Full FDA approval is forthcoming.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2578723]Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2578730]These are just excuses in the anti vaxer movement. The mRNA technology has been in development for nearly 20 yrs. When the Covid-19 outbreak started, one of the only good deeds the Chinese did was to publish the genetic code for the Spike protein of the virus (it would have been identified by sequencing sooner or later in the west) but it did give a few weeks head start. Then the mRNA envelope and technology and gene splicing know how was already in place, so the actual vaccine development went really fast, just a few weeks, then the trials phase 1,2,3 all happened as normally would, looking at the same statistical end points as pertain to any peer reviewed study. The thing that helped ironically was the fact that the virus raged fast during the time of the study, allowing more in the placebo arm to get infected and reaching statistical significance sooner. If you all remember even as Trump would pressure the scientists to announce it before the election, Fauci et al, would comment that we just don't know when we will hit the end point. So finally we did in November and the safety profile to that point was stellar. Since then hundreds of millions of doses later, and about a year since the start of the phase 3 trials, it's really hard to make any reasonable arguement about short term safety. Now looking at prior vaccine trials the vast majority of issues that ever emerged, did so within that time frame, so realistically what is left is in the realm of paranoia. That won't stop the anti vaxer crowd, but the reality is that these things are proving about as darn safe as the air we breathe. Full FDA approval is forthcoming.[/QUOTE]I am in the University of Chicago Moderna study I joined in Aug the MD running the study was telling me in Sept and Oct they were 100% confident in the results they were seeing.

Then 5 or 6 days after the election they made that announcement, they waited until after that date, that was clearly done to fuck Trump.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2578723]Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.[/QUOTE]I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578763]I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature.[/QUOTE]There was a 10 year head start on Mrna vaccines that went into this specific covid vaccine--its been tested and and developed very much in accordance with other vaccines. And with more people in more trials han any other vaccine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578763]I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.[/QUOTE]I hope you are not responding to me. I am adding to your reply about vaccine development with some additional info that I think is valid, it is nothing against your reply or your view.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578763]I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, I do understand your perspective, but that said, the first people eligible for and that's took this thing were the medical personnel on the front lines. All races and mixes have as well. So if you can't see the difference well.

Even though I am mostly libertarian, I can def. Say that in a public health emergency like this, there is a role for more state pressure. I suspect more mandates will be coming after full FDA auth. And needing a vaccine for international travel could easily come to pass, and I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578744]I am in the University of Chicago Moderna study I joined in Aug the MD running the study was telling me in Sept and Oct they were 100% confident in the results they were seeing.

Then 5 or 6 days after the election they made that announcement, they waited until after that date, that was clearly done to fuck Trump.[/QUOTE]They didn't want to wait too long, because people were dying (not even 1 week after election day they announced it was ready).

So I want to know, how many people died because they delayed the vax until after election day just so they could fuck orange man?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2578771]I hope you are not responding to me. I am adding to your reply about vaccine development with some additional info that I think is valid, it is nothing against your reply or your view.[/QUOTE]No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin. I have been all over Colombia, all over Brazil, all over Dominican Republic, all over Thailand, all over the USA and other places. I haven't gotten shit. So as Elvis was saying, if Jj is the poster child for antivaxxers, then I am on that same poster right along with him, but for the opposite reason. Not that I am wishing to get shit or trying to get shit, but you have to figure if anybody would have gotten shit then it would have been me.

Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.

(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). Many of the links are reported from individual states or counties (Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, California, Washington).

The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.

Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.

[URL]https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-individuals-now-account-for-the-vast-majority-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-deaths-in-the-u-s-according-to-available-data/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/06/maryland-says-100-of-june-covid-deaths-were-among-unvaccinated-as-early-data-shows-similar-trend-nationally/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wavy.com/covid-19-vaccine/ncdhhs-unvaccinated-make-up-more-than-99-percent-of-new-covid-cases-in-may-june/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated[/URL]

[URL]https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/jul/07/unvaccinated-san-diegans-covid-cases-deaths/[/URL]

[URL]https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/99-of-virginians-who-died-from-covid-19-since-january-were-unvaccinated/article_6f4be63e-cc02-54ce-b306-ae82dfa1b406.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.columbian.com/news/2021/jul/07/study-nearly-97-percent-of-clark-county-covid-19-cases-were-unvaccinated/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2578138]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.[/QUOTE]Here's a quote from Mitt Romney a few months ago if you can believe it.

Sen. Mitt Romney said Friday that the world is snoozing while China grows as a threat to civil rights, free economies and democracy — and that the Trump administration is failing to build a global coalition to compete against it.

The Chinese "made it very clear that their objective is to become the world's dominant player, to replace the USA As the leading nation on the planet, to replace the USA Economically, militarily and geopolitically," Romney said in a webcast to the conservative Sutherland Institute.

He added that America and the world have not paid attention to the threat.

"We as a nation and the West have been sitting back not worrying much about China, thinking about them as a developing country without recognizing that they are already the second most powerful economy in the world, that they're investing as much as we are in military hardware. ".

He said China achieving its goal as the world's superpower should concern people everywhere.

Chinese leaders "believe in an authoritarian state where there are not two parties, where there's not a free press, where opposition leaders are jailed or worse," he said.

Romney said China gives each of its residents a "social score" that goes higher if they do such things as attend pro-government rallies, but decreases if they go to church, talk to dissidents or attend pro-democracy rallies.

"If your point total gets low enough, you can't get a job," he said. "This is the way they tend to manage their people. They represent a dramatic departure from the principles of liberal democracy that have characterized the great nations of the earth. "

Romney complained that China has learned to use capitalism well but doesn't play by the rules that other nations do.

"They're now cowboy capitalists applying principles that are effective but illegal in most countries," he said.

For example, he said Indonesia produces 80% of the world's nickel used for stainless steel. He said China bought up Indonesia's stainless steel companies and nickel suppliers, and then announced it would not export any outside the county. That would amount to an illegal monopoly elsewhere, which is putting stainless steel companies in jeopardy.

"China does this industry after industry and we and the rest of the world sit there with our mouth hanging open, not knowing what to do," he said. "The answer is. Don't allow China to sell those products in our marketplace. "

But he said China has been spreading billions of dollars in foreign aid worldwide, leading many recipient countries not to complain about Chinese abuses.

"They're looking at spending a half a trillion dollars in Iran. So, of course, Iran's going to be a real friend," Romney said. He adds that similar spending in the Middle East likely has led Islamic countries to be silent about Chinese mistreatment of its Islamic Uighur minority, including beatings and widespread concentration camps.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578795]No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin. I have been all over Colombia, all over Brazil, all over Dominican Republic, all over Thailand, all over the USA and other places. I haven't gotten shit. So as Elvis was saying, if Jj is the poster child for antivaxxers, then I am on that same poster right along with him, but for the opposite reason. Not that I am wishing to get shit or trying to get shit, but you have to figure if anybody would have gotten shit then it would have been me.[/QUOTE]I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated. Had I been tested when I was at the hospital before my trip, I would have tested positive (and never made the trip).

As I've stated before, because of some of the medications I take, I have a weakened immune system, which means, any vaccine is likely to be less effective for me than for the average person. So using me as an example, without considering my overall health condition is like pointing out a man with one leg as proof that nobody is able to run.

I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578665]It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.[/QUOTE]I need to respond to this again. It reminded me of something and I failed to address the only thing you wrote which is relevant, that it's not debatable. That's correct, but not because of anything you wrote.

When I worked for the towing company I got a call to unlock a Volvo. I arrived, said a few words to the woman and looked inside. The doors were locked and the keys were laying on the front seat. I grabbed my slim Jim and walked around to the passenger side.

When she saw the slim Jim she started telling me it was impossible to unlock a Volvo that way. I needed to get a locksmith to make a new key.

Before she could finish telling me what I was doing was impossible, I had the car unlocked. I opened the door, grabbed the keys and showed them to her. She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.

If it had taken me 20 minutes, would the car have been more unlocked?

Now let's address each of your points.

The amount of time it takes to accomplish a goal doesn't determine how well the goal was accomplished. If you run a mile in 4 minutes and I run a mile in 12 minutes, did I run the mile better? Was my mile longer than your mile?

If you spend 5 minutes convincing a non pro to fuck you is that non pro worse than the non pro you spent 45 minutes convincing?

Next, on average it takes years to get FDA approval for a medicine. But medicine and vaccines are 2 completely different things. A medicine, generally works to alter one or more aspects of your body chemistry. A vaccine has only one purpose, to trigger your immune system to produce a specific antibody. It either causes the response or not, then the vaccine goes away.

It's like this. A person throws one punch at you. Either they hit or miss, but that's it. Another person tries to kick your ass. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss, but you have to defend yourself until they stop.

In the first example, whatever damage you receive is almost certain to be immediately apparent. In the second, you might not realize how much damage was done for hours or days. So the development, testing and approval process for a medication is unrelated to the same process for a vaccine.

Now we come to "the vaccines don't have FDA approval. " Oxycontin and Fentanyl received FDA approval. Does that mean they were safe? Motrin initially was approved as a prescription medication. Later it was reclassified as non-prescription. Did the change in classification change the drug?

FDA approval is a bureaucratic process. It has nothing to do with the development and testing of the drug or vaccine. It's merely a recognition that the company has done their due diligence. When the vaccines become FDA approved, they will be exactly the same as the vaccines which currently have emergency use authorization.

Which brings us to the final objection, if the vaccine harms you, nobody is going to send you a check for $1 million. If you catch Covid and it harms you, nobody is going to send you $1 million either. However, the chance of Covid harming you is at least 15 million times greater than the chance of the vaccine harming you.

That leaves us with your only reason for not wanting to get vaccinated. I call it "The Mom Gambit. ".

When I was a kid I was very good at convincing my mother to let me do things she was opposed to. Scoring strictly on points, my record was perfect. However, at any time she might employ The Mom Gambit, ending any discussion.

The Mom Gambit is like the Crane Kick from "Karate Kid. " It's simple, it's elegant, it's devastating and there's no defense against it. You're going along thinking "I've got this", when out of nowhere you get a kick to the chin and it's lights out.

The Mom Gambit consists of 4 words, "because I said so. " Boom. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

You don't want to get vaccinated because you don't want to get vaccinated. It's not a decision which is based on logic. It's an emotional choice. It's no different than my attraction to short women. You can talk all day about long legs and big butts. I might even agree with your logic. However, when that little 5' 0" girl smiles at me, guess where I'm going.

Which brings us back to my original point. Nobody on this forum had presented a sound logical reason for not getting vaccinated. Every single objection boils down to "because I don't want to. " Which is absolutely fine with me. We are each free to make our own choices, even in matters which might be harmful or fatal to ourselves or others.

My only objection to all of this is you and the others trying to blow smoke up my ass and convince me there's some valid reason for something you have been unable to justify. Just grow a set of testicles and say "I don't want to do it and you can't make me. It's a lot easier than shoving 2 tons of bullshit, spraying it with Febreze and telling us it's perfume.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2578138]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-07/why-china-keeps-sending-warplanes-to-fly-near-taiwan-quicktake[/URL]

I sure hope so!!

[QUOTE=Gray123;2578890]I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.[/QUOTE]Did you notice the forum here is Stupid Shit? I'd say everything is in its proper place, although I agree the topic is played out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578857]I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated.[/QUOTE]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578916]She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.[/QUOTE]I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579163]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20![/QUOTE]My brother complained that he thought he had a really bad cold and a sinus infection. He was seriously dragging for 5 days. At the time I didn't think anything of it, because he's generally only around a small circle of people and he doesn't travel.

If you add 5 to 7 days to when I was around him, it coincides with my first symptoms. Add another 14 days and that's when I was tested. 6 more days and my symptoms started to clear up.

One of the problems after having Covid is that enough can remain in your body to cause a positive test for several weeks after you're no longer contagious.

I had a lot of fun at the towing company. It was only a bit over 30 years ago. The average tow bill then was $30-$35.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579163]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20![/QUOTE]Some people with weaker immune systems. Chronic illnesses or elderly take longer to clear the virus. Kids with strong immune systems generally run through it quickly.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578800]Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.
(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.
Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.[/QUOTE]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight.

You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If a vaccine prevents you from being hospitalized or dying for 6 months (and also prevents you from infecting other people who might be hospitalized or who might die, then what's the objection? "I'd rather go ahead and die now than have to submit to another half second vaccine injection again next year."

Where in the fuck is this potential vaccine you are speaking of? There are several actual, tested and proven vaccines. To date they have been administered to nearly 1 billion people around the world. That's a total of almost 2 billion tests, not counting all of the actual tests before any of the vaccines were authorized for distribution.

Is there a chance that any individual will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes. Just like there is a chance that someone will choke on a piece of popcorn. Is it immoral to sell popcorn because 1 out of every 1 million people who eat popcorn will choke and die on popcorn?

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2579420]So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.[/QUOTE]You recd Sinovac.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2579421]You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.[/QUOTE]Of defective DNA.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2579420]So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".
But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.
Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.
Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.
Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??
The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is a difference between short term and long term. The vaccine clearly helps vulnerable people from dying in the short term. But its long term effectiveness is not proven (bcos viruses mutate). Thats great if your vulnerable or rich, or even better if your both. But billions of people will never get a vax bcos they live in a poor country. That will remain an opportunity for the virus to mutate.

My personal issue is not with the effectiveness of the vaccine. My issue is that I will not support a process that kills innocent beings in the trials. I don't accept that my life is more important than those innocent beings that are being murdered in the trials.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579496]You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.[/QUOTE]Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine. .

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579543]Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine..[/QUOTE]Is English not your first language? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on not understanding what you wrote. Let's take an in depth look, shall we?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.[/QUOTE]There are people who think that pulling out is an effective method of birth control. There is no good evidence to support that belief, but those people are either unwilling to examine the evidence, or are unable to understand it. There is no evidence that the vaccines are ineffective, quite the opposite. For some individuals they may provide less protection, for some individuals they may provide no protection. However, for the vast majority they provide significant protection.

And that's how vaccines work, by preventing most recipients from contracting whichever disease the vaccination is for. Poliomyelitis would not have been almost entirely eradicated worldwide, without such widespread distribution of the vaccine. If you want a visual to help grasp that concept, go to Medellin. Walk around some of the poor neighborhoods. Look for the people with twisted and shriveled limbs. They're not difficult to spot. Often they are begging for change. Notice anything about them? None of them are children or young adults. The reason is, the disease was eradicated from Colombia by 1991.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe the Covid vaccines are ineffective, go for it. But stop babbling incoherently about evidence when you obviously are either unwilling or unable to examine the evidence.

[QUOTE]But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.[/QUOTE]I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but anyone can question anything they want. That doesn't mean their questions are valid. This is really the departure from sanity point in your post. I'll put it in terms anyone with an IQ above 85 should understand. If you get lost get an adult to explain it to you.

33 years ago, plus a few months, my fiancee was found to have 2 malignant brain tumors, 1 left temporal and 1 right frontal. This was her third about with cancer, with the second being about 4 years earlier. We consulted with Oncologists and Neurosurgeons, we researched all the available alternatives and asked all the questions. The main question was "what are the chances the cancer will come back?

In other words "what is the long term effectiveness of this surgery and treatment combination?

Without surgery, with radiation treatments and massive doses of steroids, she could have hoped to live for 6-9 months, however, she would have effectively been a vegetable after 3-4 months. With surgery, an experimental treatment and radiation treatments, she could reasonably expect to be cancer free for 3-5 years. However, the likelihood of future cancer was high.

Using your insane reasoning, since the long term effectiveness of the treatment was unknown, she would have been better off dying in 6-9 months after only a few months of being able to live her life. Since neither of us were insane, we went with the course which provided the best hope for a future.

In the end, the cancer returned (after 5 years) there was another round of surgery and treatment, which gave another 3 years before cancer ended her life. That's nearly 8 years of life that you believe she should have thrown away, because the long term effectiveness was unknown.

Are you beginning to grasp why I said you're making yourself look like an idiot?

Choosing between being protected nearly 100% against death or long term hospitalization from Covid for a year or more (at no cost to you), with the possibility of needing another dose of vaccine at some point in the future, and having up to a 20% chance of hospitalization and 1. 8% chance of death, if you become symptomatic with Covid (all while racking up huge medical bills), seems pretty fucking simple.

[QUOTE]Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]Ah! The coup de grace. It's immoral to take a vaccine. I could understand your point if 60% of my cerebral cortex had been surgically removed. I could even understand your point if people were being injected with an untested vaccine against their will and without their knowledge. That would certainly be immoral.

However, the vaccine has been tested. It continues to be tested many thousands of times every day. The rate of adverse effects is extremely low. It is not a "potential vaccine." None of the currently available vaccines are "potential vaccines." Nobody is forcing you to inject an unknown substance into your wife, child or mother.

However, if wish to link voluntarily receiving a tested and safe vaccine with morality then you're on the wrong fucking forum. By being here, on ISG, in the Colombia forum, you are supporting using the poverty of young Colombian mothers as a lever to force them to have sex with you at a price much lower than you could get in other places. Check with your local community standards. I believe you'll find more people think that mongering with impoverished women 20-50 years younger than you is less acceptable than getting a vaccine.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not trying to claim my moral superiority by my decision on whether or not to get vaccinated.

I'll keep saying it:

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to get vaccinated. Not that a bullet to the head has a chance of striking anything you use. It's your personal decision, nobody else's. Just stop spewing your idiocy trying to pretend your decision has any rational basis.

Vaccine have same side-effects that the original flu, corona has, but only of 1/1. 000 or 1/10.000 or even 1/100.000.

Blod coagulation is a major side-effect of corona infection, responsible for million of deaths, that is in combination with other damages on lunges etc.

Astra-Zenecas caused blood coagulation in 4 of 400.000 people in Norway. One on 100.000, and treatable!

So we are all safe in the 1st world very soon and can sell / give the vaccine to 2nd /3rd world counties in a couple of months and then the battle begins in Africa, Latin-American and Asia. It should eliminated in 6 months in the major population areas and in 12 months globally.

The price for sex services is 16% of that in Copenhagen. It has been around 15% since 2006 when I made my first trip.

Prices was souring when young venezolanas invaded and brought down prices to it's normal 150 k / hour for beautiful girls, which is a weeks salary for unskilled unregistred workers.

I look for my super vopuptuosa prepago-friend-provider Monica, she used the name Zara on Paisadivinas, we had an argument and I can't stand life itself with her, she is the perfect mistress! Big round ass, long legs, big tits, big lips, like a doll but affordable, I always. Hey, why only 150 k including BBBJ.

Anyone know her or anther super-voupuos beauty with great personality, around 30 yo, since they are not trying to rob me / us do all the time, I can't bring them to my apartment anymore, they are hopeless and might cause a scene and make things hell for me.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/08/the-age-of-intellectual-cholera/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579597]Is English not your first language? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on not understanding what you wrote. Let's take an in depth look, shall we?[/QUOTE]A USAn trying to teach English. How sweet! Haha.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579597]You are entitled to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe the Covid vaccines are ineffective, go for it. But stop babbling incoherently about evidence when you obviously are either unwilling or unable to examine the evidence.[/QUOTE]Seems that you are stumbling over the double negative that I used, plus not grasping that I spoke of other people, not myself. SO before you attempt to ridicule someone for not understanding English, best if you dble chk your own understanding first. Haha.

"Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective. " - simply means "This is good evidence against vaccine-efficacy deniers. ".

So clearly your are not off to a good start here.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579597]Using your insane reasoning, since the long term effectiveness of the treatment was unknown, she would have been better off dying in 6-9 months after only a few months of being able to live her life. Since neither of us were insane, we went with the course which provided the best hope for a future..[/QUOTE]Again, a quite astonishing misunderstanding of what I wrote: "people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven. ".

Nowhere did I state that was my own position. I am writing about the position that others hold. Neither did I ever state the best course of action is to do nothing.

Again, a complete strawman. Well done!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579597]Nobody is forcing you to inject an unknown substance into your wife, child or mother.[/QUOTE]Now on to your final total failure to understand what was written. You misundesrtand my analogy.

I posit a Q. Would it be moral for me to take you or a loved one from you without your or their permission so that I could run medial experiments on you / them? Chances are good that it will prevent deaths in creating a vaccine but chances are certain that you will die in the experiment Is that moral?

That is my dilemma. Do you understand the dilemma now?

No one has forced me or my wife or children or loved ones to take part in these experiments. Thats bcos I am lucky. But there are thousands of innocent sentient beings that have been forced in to these experiments. And been murdered. And that is what I do not accept.

So well, done. You not only failed to destroy anything of what I wrote, you manage to totally misunderstand every part of what I wrote. Is English YOUR first language?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580050]A USAn trying to teach English. How sweet! Haha.

Seems that you are stumbling over the double negative that I used, plus not grasping that I spoke of other people, not myself. SO before you attempt to ridicule someone for not understanding English, best if you dble chk your own understanding first. Haha.

"Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective. " - simply means "This is good evidence against vaccine-efficacy deniers. ".

So clearly your are not off to a good start here.

Again, a quite astonishing misunderstanding of what I wrote: "people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven. ".

Nowhere did I state that was my own position. I am writing about the position that others hold. Neither did I ever state the best course of action is to do nothing.

Again, a complete strawman. Well done!.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. At first I thought you were just confused and unable to express yourself coherently. Now you've clearly stated you have no idea what you are talking about and are simply another idiot without anything useful to provide.

You could have saved about 20 posts by just saying so from the beginning.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580050]So well, done. You not only failed to destroy anything of what I wrote, you manage to totally misunderstand every part of what I wrote. Is English YOUR first language?[/QUOTE]Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. They have blamed Trump for all the deaths in America, rode it to a victory, proclaimed their allies didn't steal the election (when it could have easily been stolen), and are now turning that same partisan tactics on with the vaccines. Blue states are vaccinating more than red which mean Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

Of course, the Republican partisan folks do not trust the media and medical guard like Fauci who ousted their beloved leader. They think and are right to mistrust the medical establishment, but the vaccine really was not from the medical establishment but the private sector. However, the pharmacy leaders getting a lawsuit exemption is a tough pill to swallow, and I think they should have had a modification such that people could sue but with a limit on damages. Nonetheless, the benefits of getting the vaccine outweigh the risks for most people.

And the resurgence of Covid in America is now not a statistical fluke but one I am seeing myself. Hospitals are full again, and they are full of Covid patients and all but one at one hospital had been vaccinated. Sadly, this is hitting younger ages now and those are the folks less likely to get the vaccine, 30 to 60 year old mostly.

So what is needed now more then ever is an end to the partisan bickering. Yes, Republicans Covid is real. No, Democrats the vaccine has way more side effects than you are being told. Vertigo is more than 1%, women with excessive bleeding after the vaccine is real, pericarditis in young men is real too. 750 people have died after getting the vaccine and 4000+ more have been hospitalized.

The virus has shown the worse of the partisan bickering, and I hope it comes to an end. To the people who have not gotten vaccinated, talk to those who have. There is little I or anyone else to say that will make you change your mind.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2580120]Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. ...

And the resurgence of Covid in America is now not a statistical fluke but one I am seeing myself. Hospitals are full again, and they are full of Covid patients and all but one at one hospital had been vaccinated. Sadly, this is hitting younger ages now and those are the folks less likely to get the vaccine, 30 to 60 year old mostly.

So what is needed now more then ever is an end to the partisan bickering. Yes, Republicans Covid is real. No, Democrats the vaccine has way more side effects than you are being told. Vertigo is more than 1%, women with excessive bleeding after the vaccine is real, pericarditis in young men is real too. 750 people have died after getting the vaccine and 4000+ more have been hospitalized.

The virus has shown the worse of the partisan bickering, and I hope it comes to an end.[/QUOTE]I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580164]I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.[/QUOTE]It's not arrogance. If someone is saying or doing something stupid, they need to be informed they are being stupid. If they continue, then they require constant reminders.

However, let me put it in terms that you and El "it's no worse than the flu" Virus can understand. Oops. I just gave both of you much more credit than you deserve. The chance of either of you understanding it is about 1. 5 of 42,000.

Let's start with your claim that the vaccine has killed thousands and ElVirus' claim it has hospitalized thousands. Let's exaggerate just a bit and make the number: 9,999.

That's the highest it can be before it becomes tens of thousands. And to exaggerate further let's say that's 9,999 confirmed deaths definitely caused by a vaccine.

Now let's look at another number: 4,000,000.

That's the current number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19. Let's put them together so there's a chance you can understand which is the bigger number:

9,999 - assumed, exaggerated, unconfirmed vaccine deaths.

4,000000 - actual, confirmed COVID-19 deaths.

Are you still confused? Let's add 2 more numbers.

First, the number of people who have received at least 1 vaccine dose: 1,900,000,000.

Second, the number of confirmed COVID-19 infections: 188,000,000.

Now let's bring that together for you. After that, feel free to go to my first paragraph and read it with a new level of comprehension.

9,999 ÷ 1,900,000,000 = 0. 000000525.

That's the grossly exaggerated, unconfirmed probability that getting vaccinated will kill you.

4,000,000 ÷ 188,000,000 = 0. 021.

That's the confirmed probability that getting Covid will kill you if you're unvaccinated.

Now let's make that per 100,000 people, to make it easier to illustrate to the stupid people.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated people who get Covid, 2,100 will die.

For every 100,000 people who get vaccinated, 0. 0525 will die.

I guess it's better to raise that to 2,000,000.

For every 2,000,000 vaccines given, 1.5 person might die.

For every 2,000,000 unvaccinated people who are infected with Covid, 42,000 will die.

So you believe it's much better to kill 42,000 people than to take a chance that 1. 5 persons might die?

Still think it's arrogance? Feel free to illustrate to us all how it's more important to let 84,000 people die so you can keep 3 alive.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580164]I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.[/QUOTE]And now for the kinder, gentler response.

You have to take Elvis with a grain of salt. For him everything has to be expressed along political lines. Unless you agree 100% with his current position, you're a liberal and the cause of all the world's problems. This might make sense if his position on the pandemic didn't change drastically from day to day.

For months he claimed it wasn't worse than the flu. Although there were several numbers he claimed the US death toll would never reach, the most renowned was 80,000. Along the way he's claimed masks were ineffective and effective, social distancing was effective and ineffective, travel restrictions were ineffective and effective, the list goes on and on.

My position on the pandemic has nothing to do with any political position. It has to do with 1 thing: deaths. Unnecessary deaths bother me. I don't care about your politics, or anyone else's politics. When it comes to the pandemic I have one question. Is what you're doing likely to increase or reduce the number of unnecessary deaths?

At the individual level, I don't care who gets vaccinated. However, if someone is attempting to promote the idea that getting vaccinated is more dangerous than not getting vaccinated, I'm going to oppose them. See my prior post for an easy to understand explanation.

You want me to be more respectful? Respect is a two way street. If you want it, you need to be willing to give it.

Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you.

I readily admit my tone was rude. I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2580120]Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. They have blamed Trump for all the deaths in America, rode it to a victory, proclaimed their allies didn't steal the election (when it could have easily been stolen), and are now turning that same partisan tactics on with the vaccines. Blue states are vaccinating more than red which mean Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

Of course, the Republican partisan folks do not trust the media and medical guard like Fauci who ousted their beloved leader. They think and are right to mistrust the medical establishment, but the vaccine really was not from the medical establishment but the private sector. However, the pharmacy leaders getting a lawsuit exemption is a tough pill to swallow, and I think they should have had a modification such that people could sue but with a limit on damages. Nonetheless, the benefits of getting the vaccine outweigh the risks for most people..[/QUOTE]RepubliKKKans, including the orange buffoon, were against any form of mitigation (masks, distancing, etc) and for vaccines before the orange buffoon got kicked to the curb, now they won't get vaccinated because of, well, who knows? Most of them are just plain obstreperous. Or stupid.

Look at what is happening in red states like Tennessee. Vaccine outreach has been terminated by RepubliKKKans. Why? Makes no sense. Unless being contrary is the goal. But, in reality, who cares? They're just going to kill their own voters!

That COVID cases are rising is no fluke and you are correct on that. The R0 of the delta variant is at least 3 x more infectious than the original (6 vs 2). Do the math if you can. The results will astound you.

All but one at one hospital had been vaccinated? I highly doubt it, especially because you provided no proof (just like Tucker "Your a moron if you believe anything I say" Carlson). The facts are that COVID cases are exploding in states with the lowest vaccination rates. All of those states voted for the orange buffoon. People who aren't getting vaccinated are risking their lives, their parent's lives, etc.

The vaccine has side effects? Big whoop because every vaccine has side effects. Way more than we're being told? How do you know? Were you told? Or did you make it up? Or get your info from some conspiracy theory web site? Rather than spouting raw numbers as your justification, why not use percentages? 170 million people in the US have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. 750 people have died. What is that percentage? 750 people have died after getting the vaccine? Or 750 deaths can be directly linked to receiving the vaccine? Big difference.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. [/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/15/opinion/coronavirus-vaccine-south-africa.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580215]It's not arrogance. If someone is saying or doing something stupid, they need to be informed they are being stupid. If they continue, then they require constant reminders.

Let's start with your claim that the vaccine has killed thousands and ElVirus' claim it has hospitalized thousands.
[/QUOTE]And so it goes on! Really, you're incredible! I never once claimed that the vaccine has killed thousands. I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. "You need to be informed that you are being stupid. ".

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580231]You want me to be more respectful? Respect is a two way street. If you want it, you need to be willing to give it.

Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you. I readily admit my tone was rude. I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.[/QUOTE]When you respond to a comment straight out of the gate with an insult, you are not going to get any respect back. You have already started down a one-way road.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580231]Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you. I readily admit my tone was rude.[/QUOTE]Often I do not respond to insults and rudeness.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580231]I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.[/QUOTE]I am not sure where or what your counter is. It seems that you are agreeing with me that the long term effectiveness is unknown, that good health increases life expectancy. You haven't countered any claim that I made, you have agreed with them. I cannot show how your points are invalid bcos I agree.

"What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I have no idea. Any guess would be wild speculation. Nor do I know what % of people in ICU have been vaccinated.

I just saw a story that Bogota is back in the red with ICU capacity at 84%. I expect Medellin will be there soon. Many places in the US have seen the number of new infections triple in recent weeks. This trend is likely to continue, at least in the US and probably Colombia as well.

If you're shocked, or grasping for reasons why this could be happening now, it's easy to explain. We've already done it once.

If you go back to March-April 2020, what was happening in the US and Colombia? Communities were mandating masks and social distancing, gatherings were prohibited, travel was restricted, people were asked to stay home except for essential trips, many employers, when able, had employees work from home, schools were all closed. In simpler terms, we took the recommended steps to limit the spread of the virus. In the US we did this for almost 5 weeks.

It was effective. New infections started dropping, number of deaths and hospitalizations peaked and began to fall. If we had continued for 2 more weeks, last summer probably would have been much better. Instead, after 4 weeks, people, including people in power, began to demand all those precautions end. Armed protesters even stormed one state capitol. People argued for open bars and restaurants, reopening schools and removing masks. Over the next 7 weeks the number of cases more than tripled.

At that point there was some pushback. Masks became common again, more stores began controlling customer entry, more restrictions were placed on gatherings. Which brought us to our second dip, in August and early September, still twice as high as the lowest point of the first dip, but an improvement.

And then we reopened the schools. There was a strong push to return everything back to normal. Masks were compared to The Holocaust, blah, blah, blah. Between September and January the daily number of new cases increased 1,000%. We went from a low of 25 k new cases on September 7 to 250 k on January 10. We went from under 300 deaths daily to over 4,000 over roughly the same time period (the deaths curve follows 3-4 weeks behind the infection curve).

Then we once again began emphasizing the common sense measures which were effective before, along with distribution and campaigns to get people vaccinated. By June we had reached levels that we haven't seen since late March 2020.

It's almost as if we're afraid of success. Every time we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, we start screaming that we need to return to the dark ages.

Masks in the US have almost completely disappeared. All the signs posted a month ago are gone. I do at least still see people social distancing in stores, but there's a strong push to open up events to spectators, without limits. At the same time there's an active push to discourage people from being vaccinated. It doesn't take a PhD in mathematics to project the curve.

As things are going, the number of infections will continue to rise and the rate of new vaccinations will continue to fall. Assuming that doesn't change the US will be back in the 1500-2500 deaths per day range before Thanksgiving, which would have us approaching 1 million deaths early 2022. Remember when 80,000 deaths was an impossible number?

Although the new variants are part of the problem, there's no magic bullet. If you increase the opportunity for virus transmission, you increase the number of new infections. Increase the number of new infections and you increase the likelihood of new variants.

There is one bright spot in this. The people who will die will almost exclusively be the people who refused to get vaccinated. Eventually we'll reach a level of stabilization, after enough anti-vaxx people tell their family "I wish I'd gotten vaccinated."

In a moment of serendipity I just saw a story last night about a couple from Missouri who refused the vaccine and ended up hospitalized for Covid. Let's just say an extended stay in ICU clarifies the "should I get vaccinated" question.

The good news is that this will mostly be over in another year. At least in the US. It's already nearly over in many countries. When it ends depends almost entirely on the local vaccination rates.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2580335]Look at what is happening in red states like Tennessee. Vaccine outreach has been terminated by RepubliKKKans. Why? Makes no sense. [/QUOTE]The answer to this can be found in right wing media, with the old Chicken Little, slippery slope fallacy. They think that if canvassing to encourage vaccination is allowed then they'll next be knocking on doors asking for their guns and bibles. It would be hilarious if the matter weren't so serious. They make us the laughing stock of the world.

"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. ".

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2580335]RepubliKKKans, including the orange buffoon, were against any form of mitigation (masks, distancing, etc)[/QUOTE]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2580400]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.[/QUOTE]They were (are) unable to get the vaccines. Vaccination rate there is currently 4.6%.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2580400]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2580400]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.[/QUOTE]Many countries have had great success by complying with common sense protocols, masks, social distancing, and restrictions on movements. That includes many Asian countries, including Thailand who recently let down their guard and has had a slow vaccine roll out. It also includes the Nordic nations excluding Sweden. But to notice that a number of countries have had weak compliance, as well as many fools chasing conspiracy theories, then jump from that to claiming it's all apolitical is ludicrous. Mr E has some of the best mongering posts around, but when he jumps into politics gets every logical fallacy under the sun going.

Yes, in general terms there has been quite a divide between Repubs and Dems in the US in matters of Covid, though of course their are individual exceptions in both camps. The former generally has fought us every step of the way. First it was just the "Kung Flu" and a left wing hoax to sabotage Trump re-election chances. Then the numbers were faked, hospitals lying about the cause of deaths in order to rip off Medicare. Of course the fact that deaths were spiking in many countries where no such incentive exists never crossed their minds. Then it's masks, social distancing, and "lockdowns" don't work. Or that it's unconstitutional, even though people are often required to wear clothes in public, and our movements are restricted all the time, like at traffic lights or with prohibitions on demonstrations without permits. Not to mention that the Supreme Court in the past has upheld forced quarantines of TB patients. But where do we wind up? Well of course, with anti-vaxxers as they are intent on fighting us every step of the way. Plus right wing media needs hot button issues to spin in their propaganda hours because that's how they draw a crowd and make money. Listen to them in their own words, Fox and Newsmax, which further confirms as ludicrous, your claim that none of this is political.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/07/14/fox-news-newsmax-vaccine-misinformation-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/[/URL]

[URL]https://logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580361]And so it goes on! Really, you're incredible! I never once claimed that the vaccine has killed thousands. I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. "You need to be informed that you are being stupid. ".[/QUOTE]You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.

[B]"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."[/B]

Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580361]No one has forced me or my wife or children or loved ones to take part in these experiments. Thats bcos I am lucky. [B]But there are thousands of innocent sentient beings that have been forced in to these experiments. And been murdered.[/B] And that is what I do not accept.[/QUOTE]Which language is your native tongue? Perhaps it loses something when crossing from the UK to the USA.

You start off mentioning your wife, children and loved ones. Is it safe to assume they are not only sentient beings, but also human? Because, if your wife, children and loved ones are sentient and human, it follows that the "thousands of innocent sentient beings" were also human. Your use of the word "murdered" supports that. Since the discussion is about getting vaccinated (in your prior post you even stated "potential vaccines" am I out of line to assume you were stating thousands of people were forcibly vaccinated and killed by the process. Do you understand that is a claim that thousands have been killed by the vaccine?

It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.

I'm going to go with option number 1, although 3 is certainly tempting. However, lack of moral integrity is well supported by this:

"I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. ".

You see, part of that nasty moral integrity is that you don't discount something without reading it first. It would be similar to writing a terrible review of a restaurant which you've never visited, solely because you don't like someone who works there.

This is a regular occurrence with you and I expect you're incapable of better behavior. Your other post lends credence to my claim. In it you claim we're in agreement about the long term effectiveness of the vaccine, yet that's a gross misunderstanding of my view on the subject. You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't. I've spelled it out in intricate detail. Yet you lack the honesty to address my statements.

You can continue with this as long as you wish, or until you contract Covid and you stop posting (either through incapacity or the inability to admit the flaws in your position). I made a valid effort to steer this to a respectful discussion. However, you again demonstrated your lack of moral integrity by refusing the possibility of a respectful discussion.

Unless I get bored and just want to poke fun at the mentally disadvantaged, I'll leave you to your psychosis.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2580400]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.[/QUOTE]Much of it, depending on the country has plenty to do with politics and religious beliefs. I won't get into that discussion, but you can easily compare infection rates by country and look at what actions were supported by the government of each country. Draw your own conclusions.

Going directly to Thailand, that's fairly easy. They were on the ball early. They did all the right things for a year, with a great deal of success. However, 3 things are currently working against them.

1. The Delta variant is much more contagious.

2. They have a very low vaccination rate.

3. Most of the vaccines given were the Sinovac vaccine which appears to be mostly ineffective against the Delta variant.

I don't know for certain, but I would suspect Thailand (Vietnam, Indonesia, etc) started relaxing restrictions somewhat shortly before the Delta variant hit the country. As we've seen again and again the waves take several weeks to develop and then rage on for several weeks, after measures to combat them are taken.

Without widespread distribution of a vaccine effective against the Delta variant, along with a return to the masks, curfews and lockdowns, they're in for a bumpy ride.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580231]You have to take Elvis with a grain of salt. For him everything has to be expressed along political lines. Unless you agree 100% with his current position, you're a liberal and the cause of all the world's problems. This might make sense if his position on the pandemic didn't change drastically from day to day.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, when I am critical of "science" loving douches, it has to be political? Ha. You were busy kissing Fauci's ass when that MF partially caused the pandemic. Hell, you were cheering on the travel ban and economic destruction.

My position changed from early on. Covid had an early pattern, that was all that was known about it, and it broke the pattern. If you applied any of your mathematical principles to almost any other virus, you would have been wrong. Covid was different because it was man made.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580231]For months he claimed it wasn't worse than the flu. Although there were several numbers he claimed the US death toll would never reach, the most renowned was 80,000.[/QUOTE]I am not even going to bother with you anymore. When you claim to have superior knowledge with predictions (and yours were awful), you personally were dumb enough to get sick with the virus, board an airplane, and spread it around to God knows how many people. On the other hand, I have been exposed to dozens if not hundreds of people with Covid and have not gotten it.

I told you all to avoid people who look sick and got mocked. Of course, then you hung around with your sick brother and got Covid. And that nonsense about how far away from him you were, if that were true, I would have been sick dozens of times. No, you were close to him, and you got it because you were stupid.

All this social distancing, hand sanitizer, wearing mask outside BS, and I said the smartest thing was to avoid sick people, and your dumb Democratic douche ass could not even follow that advice.

And then you thought you had Covid when you had a heart condition and had Covid when you thought it was something else. Throughout this, you still think you have the need to lecture. Dummy, you infected God knows how many people. Will you STFU on this topic? No one thinks you are an expert. You could not even diagnose in yourself. You are a clown.

I can see what I posted was misinterpreted. There are 750 people who have died of Covid who have had the vaccine and 4000 people who have gotten the vaccine and been hospitalized with Covid.

As for your mathematical predictions, the chance of a NFL player dying from Covid is less than 1% but vertigo rates are north of that. With the kind of vertigo I have seen, the chances of it being career ending are very real. So from a society stand point, should the NFL player get the vaccine? Yes. From an individual stand point? IMO the answer is no.

You are only looking at things from a life and death perspective. Economics matter, and that is the problem with you Democratic douches. You made Covid into this huge boogie man and insisted all the sacrifices were worthwhile when they were not. The part of medicine where the first rule of do no harm was thrown out the window, and you all just ignored all the harm you were doing.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580478]You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.
[B]"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."[/B][/QUOTE]Your absolute certainty in your own incorrect understanding is astounding. A clear and strong case of Dunning and Kruger.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580478]Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?[/QUOTE]Yes I am happy with my statement. As you urself point out, I am talking about the experiments that pharma companies run in developing and testing potential vaccines. It's called vivisection. That is a very different thing to deaths caused by the actual administration of the vaccine to the general public once the vaccine has been approved. I claim the former whereas you throw the latter at me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580478]It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.
[/QUOTE]No. There is a 4th possibility – that you are too stupid to understand the difference between experiments on potential vaccines and the use of approved vaccines.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580478] You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't.[/QUOTE]Once again, flat out wrong. I do not support the vaccine bcos I think it is immoral to murder innocent beings in the experiments conducted to research, develop and test pharmaceutical products. I have stated that several times. I do not know why it will not sink in to your thick head. Sentient beings are raped, enslaved and encaged, their babies stolen from them, mutilated, tortured and murdered. Why? So that another sentient being can live? If you are not willing to sacrifice urself or your own loved ones for such a cause, you have no moral right to force others to do it. That is why it is immoral to me. So very far from your ridiculous assumptions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2580400]So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.[/QUOTE]As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they’re told; following orders

I guess this is what you deal with in the third world, a lack of common sense.

Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with. As for me, no mask anywhere unless they tell me to in stores, lets get the ball rolling ;)

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they're told; following orders.[/QUOTE]Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]As usual mr e spitting facts…[/QUOTE]I agree!. It seems like it has become his specialty lately.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]…Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already…[/QUOTE]Sorry, not in Colombia, and many other countries. In fact, lack of vaccines is the case in most countries of interest to mongers.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]…the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now…[/QUOTE]I wish that were the case. I was there last month for 2 weeks, in Poblado. Folks wore masks only when the cops were there, and the distancing? Non existing. In fact, a Colombian couple thought I was an idiot for trying to maintain distancing while in line to get coffee at a JV store. I ended up getting into an argument with them. I then realized that I was fully vaccinated and they were most likely not. So, I changed to a don't care attitude.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]…I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker… [/QUOTE]I agree it's a pain when it comes to picking up FLs. Luckily, I maintain sort of a harem there, and so far I am sticking to it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]…I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron… [/QUOTE]Not quite, IMO, it's even more important to wear masks when you have a corrupt and / or incompetent government.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2580744]...everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless...
Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with...[/QUOTE]This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2580772]Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.[/QUOTE]The degree of selfishness found among many mongers is mind boggling. It's all about them and their dicks.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2580793]This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.[/QUOTE]Roughly 5 billion people are either unvaccinated or have not had Covid. Unfortunately, about 30% of the vaccinated people were vaccinated with the Sinovac vaccine which appears to have low effectiveness against the Delta variant. With Delta becoming a major source of infection, that puts about 5. 5 billion still at risk of infection.

For those who, for whatever silly reason, don't want to get vaccinated, go ahead and throw away your masks and go about business as usual. There's nothing to worry about.

Nothing except for the real possibility that Colombia is going to be reinstating the curfews in Bogota and Medellin since ICU space is again rapidly running out. Then there's that minor risk of getting Covid (even if you are vaccinated). It's really nothing to worry about at all. Sure, you might end up in an emergency room absolutely certain you're about to die (not to mention some large medical bills). Sure, you might end up spending an extra $1500 because you got stuck in quarantine. Sure you might be almost completely unable to fuck for 3 weeks, because you can just barely breathe enough to keep from passing out. You might even end up stinking because you can't stand up long enough to take a shower. You probably don't want to hear about the bad parts.

I'm here to assure you that's all nothing compared to having a sore arm twice, for almost 8 hours each time, and having to put an almost weightless piece of paper over your face.

So, when the 6 pm curfews come back and when the doctor tells you that you don't need to go to the hospital, because you're doing fine (although it's because they have no place to put you at the hospital), you can take a deep breath and enjoy your stay. Well, you can't really take a deep breath. You can try, get really dizzy, start coughing which triggers your gag reflex and you spend 2 minutes gasping and gagging and trying desperately not to pass out. Which is kinda fun in a "if I puke there's nobody who will come and clean it up, and if I pass out, eventually someone will find me face down in my own vomit" way.

Feel free to opine.

[URL]https://www.vulture.com/2021/07/olivia-rodrigo-visit-the-white-house.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2580718]

Once again, flat out wrong. I do not support the vaccine bcos I think it is immoral to murder innocent beings in the experiments conducted to research, develop and test pharmaceutical products. I have stated that several times. I do not know why it will not sink in to your thick head. Sentient beings are raped, enslaved and encaged, their babies stolen from them, mutilated, tortured and murdered. Why? So that another sentient being can live? If you are not willing to sacrifice urself or your own loved ones for such a cause, you have no moral right to force others to do it. That is why it is immoral to me. So very far from your ridiculous assumptions.[/QUOTE]Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.

Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns. Phase 1,2 and 3 trials have clearly written protocols and trials have to go through IRB approvals. It's a scaled up roll out so as to minimize human risk.

These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2580880]Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.
Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns.
These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.[/QUOTE]Another one that throws out insults without taking the time to read or understand what was written. What is it with you guys, did you throw out all your common sense when you started chasing women? As others have said earlier today, too many of you can only think with your dicks.

I never said that humans are harmed in the development of vaccines. I said sentient beings. I care about sentience. The ability to suffer. I don't care how intelligent you are, or how hairy you are, what colour you are, or how many legs you have. If you can experience pleasure and suffering, then you share what is important and have inherent value.

"Other animals, which, on account of their interests having been neglected by the insensibility of the ancient jurists, stand degraded into the class of things. . The day has been, I grieve it to say in many places it is not yet past, in which the greater part of the species, under the denomination of slaves, have been treated. Upon the same footing as. Animals are still. The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. The French have already discovered that the blackness of skin is no reason why a human being should be abandoned without redress to the caprice of a tormentor. It may come one day to be recognized, that the number of legs, the villosity of the skin, or the termination of the os sacrum, are reasons equally insufficient for abandoning a sensitive being to the same fate. What else is it that should trace the insuperable line? Is it the faculty of reason, or perhaps, the faculty for discourse?. The question is not, Can they reason? Nor, Can they talk? But, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?. The time will come when humanity will extend its mantle over everything which breathes. ".

Jeremy Bentham.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2568871]
...
please not respond to a long report by re-posting the whole report because it is redundant and takes up space to where people are having to scroll lot to get past responses.
...[/QUOTE]Or please reply with proportional amount to the text being quoted.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.[/QUOTE]You took it a little far when you suggest people ignore or forget about the advice of veterans here. I have never been anywhere in the world which includes all the continents, that has the variety of mongering options, styles and prices, as Medellin. Anyone can develop their own hybrid model of what works for them.

You gave some great advice for like minded and situated warriors as yourself. I am sure there are more than a few here. We all bring different backgrounds, biases and economics to the game. You sound just like a young buck with some success in life, should sound, and that is cool. I would have to agree there is a bias here from broke-ass old guys, but they probably offer more broad useful info to the readership, than you or I. No one here should view their methods or the self as better than anyone else's. Just different, and then we can all borrow or steal from each other, jajaj Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2581377] You sound just like a [b]young[/b] buck with some [b]success[/b] in life, should sound, and that is cool. I would have to agree there is a bias here from [b]broke-ass old guys[/b], but they probably offer more broad useful info to the readership, than you or I. [/QUOTE]Do you really mean that? Who are these old guys. I am pretty sure it is not Surfer who probably is wealthier than most. I have met some living in Colombia who are poor but they are not old.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2581435]Do you really mean that? Who are these old guys. I am pretty sure it is not Surfer who probably is wealthier than most. I have met some living in Colombia who are poor but they are not old.[/QUOTE]He is retired, out of shape, has too much ear hair, knows ten word of Spanish at most, doesn't floss, rude, and wouldn't know a female orgasm if it bit him on the tongue, jajjaja.

I read somewhere (unverified) that the vast majority of Gringos who expatriate to Colombia do so on the value of their social security check alone. If we assume one of the reasons Americans choose to live here is decent quality of life at a half or less the cost of living, then that would support my point, too. But a guy could have ten million in assets and still only use his social security for immigration visa purposes. And I think most guys here are short term visitors to Colombia, not trying to relocate or establish Colombian residency. No one knows the demographic on this board, so yes, I was being flippant.

But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. This is a classic of perception if truth, but we all perceive things differently, too. I have no prejudice against people based on income or age. I am prejudiced against assholes.

Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. Thanks for the feedback. You made me stop and think.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2581622]He is retired, out of shape, has too much ear hair, knows ten word of Spanish at most, doesn't floss, rude, and wouldn't know a female orgasm if it bit him on the tongue, jajjaja.
.

Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. Thanks for the feedback. You made me stop and think.[/QUOTE]There are many kinds of long term gringo visitors / residents that I think all have it pretty good. First are the nomadic work from anywhere online types. Mainly IT. Who get paid well, some by the hour even, and who can leverage their first world incomes with Colombian cost of living, and the second are the retired early and have enough to be classified as rich by Colombian standards if not by US standards. Say the 55 yr old that has amassed $1 M and wants to call it a day early. A very shaky position in the US but a very cushioned one in Colombia. You can even add to that the seasonal workers in the US who work around 6 months a year and make good money but then have 6 mths of down time. There are also fields that are always in demand and those guys just chose to work less and enjoy their money and lives rather than chase the wealth mirage.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2581798]There are many kinds of long term gringo visitors / residents that I think all have it pretty good. First are the nomadic work from anywhere online types. Mainly IT. Who get paid well, some by the hour even, and who can leverage their first world incomes with Colombian cost of living, and the second are the retired early and have enough to be classified as rich by Colombian standards if not by US standards. Say the 55 yr old that has amassed $1 M and wants to call it a day early. A very shaky position in the US but a very cushioned one in Colombia. You can even add to that the seasonal workers in the US who work around 6 months a year and make good money but then have 6 mths of down time. There are also fields that are always in demand and those guys just chose to work less and enjoy their money and lives rather than chase the wealth mirage.[/QUOTE]Mongering was conspicuously absent in your description. Is it fair to say we really don't know the demographic of the mongers on this Website? I would like to hear your opinion even if there's no data to back it up.

Side joke: Do you know what my definition of digital nomad is? Anyone who claims it, has a laptop, and is more than 50 miles from their home. Jajaja. I am sarcastically saying the bar is low.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. [/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/technology/china-hacking-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582119][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/technology/china-hacking-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-v-china-the-final-verdict-20210701-p5860h.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2581622]But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. This is a classic of perception if truth, but we all perceive things differently, too. I have no prejudice against people based on income or age.

Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. .[/QUOTE]Because if you do that means it applies to you, and if it applies to even 1 monger in the world that means it must be true and applies to everyone he wants to apply it to.

So don't call bullshit with this fool!

You wrote way too much lame childish sophistry for just 1 post bro.

Please lay off the bath salts.

And take the pills the doctor gave you.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2580880]Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.

Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns. Phase 1,2 and 3 trials have clearly written protocols and trials have to go through IRB approvals. It's a scaled up roll out so as to minimize human risk.

These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/buddycarter-kamalaharris-covid-vaccines/2021/07/19/id/1029169/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2581622]But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. [/QUOTE]That stereo type is not accurate. I think there was a similar conversation not long ago. Surfer has always said he likes them a little rough on the edges or something like that. I only use Surfer as an example because his age. Other Centro posters are actually not old unless you think thirty something is old. And really, the members who think they fuck 8, 9, and 10 in El Centro are the lucky ones. They are at an advantage in this debate because they get the same thing cheaper, in their head or mind, lol.

Anyone has a property in California can pretty much use rental income to finance living and mongering in Medellin. I guess Surfer has a property in California and we know he has one in El Poblado. He is not using either one for income and that tells you something. I can be wrong but it costs me nothing to be wrong, haha.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/20/world/covid-variant-vaccine-updates?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0&action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582168][URL]https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-v-china-the-final-verdict-20210701-p5860h.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Look you ass licking old turd, I won't bother laughing at your source, SMH?

But please move to that shithole China already I'm sure Colombia would be grateful!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582381]Look you ass licking old turd, I won't bother laughing at your source, SMH?

But please move to that shithole China already I'm sure Colombia will be grateful![/QUOTE]You're right junior. I forgot you aren't able to read anything over 10 words.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582405]You're right junior. I forgot you aren't able to read anything over 10 words.[/QUOTE]Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2575353]Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited.[/QUOTE]I have spent quite a bit of time in China. Many fun times there with the Chinese ladies. Their skin feels different to me than any girls I have been with in the 60 or so other countries I have visited. Smooth and firm skin, love it. (their garlic breath I could do without, but their skin is fantastic).

The Chinese guys in the offices were fun to hang out with as well. They took me to different local karaokes and such over the years and other night spots where you don't really see any foreigners. Those were such great times. If you've never been to a naughty karaoke place in China for the locals, I highly recommend it. (Not like the old Passions karaoke at the great wall hotel in Beijing, that is too upscale. The down market ones are way more fun.).

I have many Chinese friends in China these days, and zero of them like their Government. But if they were ever attacked by any other country, they would all rally to defend their country to the death.

I "respect" China for their accomplishments, but I don't respect them for their Government's ethics, which are basically close to non existent.

The following video from today about China's cyber attacks and how the rest of the world needs to address that going forward is just the tip of the iceberg. China needs to be dealt with on so many other levels as well where they are basically acting criminally on the world stage.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya7WFsIsD9Q[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582417]...And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?[/QUOTE]Maybe you meant "renounce"?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2582328]And really, the members who think they fuck 8, 9, and 10 in El Centro are the lucky ones. They are at an advantage in this debate because they get the same thing cheaper, in their head or mind, lol.
[/QUOTE]Haha, that is a pretty nice advantage of fancying the girls in Centro. Just remember, their grading scale is just as correct as anyone else's though! *smile*.

In fact, come to think about it, guys who fancy Centro girls would surely have a better time all round, surely? If you compare a guy that has a blast fking girls in Centro for 30-50 k every day, compared to a guy that feels frustrataed and disappointed unless he can find the "needle in the haystack" 1-5. 000.000 fantasy girl that blows his mind (and then he blows his wallet but she fails to blow his dick. And no one else cares bcos its only his assessment of her looks). Haha.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582417]Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?[/QUOTE]Homework assignment junior. Look up denounce (you meant renounce) look up respect (it isn't synonymous with like). Doesn't Chicago have any good public schools, kiddo??

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582417]Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?[/QUOTE]I wrote what I meant!

My spelling is pretty good even if I can't type 2 words per hour.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582477]Homework assignment junior. Look up denounce (you meant renounce) look up respect (it isn't synonymous with like). Doesn't Chicago have any good public schools, kiddo??[/QUOTE]I was shooting for a subtle double entendre, but I wouldn't expect a low IQ scumbag like you to catch it, but try to change the topic in any lame way you can desperately.

Grab at jajajaja.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582515]I was shooting for a subtle double entendre, but I wouldn't expect a low IQ scumbag like you to catch it, but try to change the topic in any lame way you can desperately.

Grab at jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582604]Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.[/QUOTE]Lie lie lie and lie some more.

Deflect spin, lie some more etc etc.

No two ways about that.

Far better educated? Jajajaj I seriously doubt that, but even if that was possible.

That certainly doesn't make someone more intelligent I know some dumbasses that went to much better universities than myself.

That means nothing, the content of your comments and opinions, shows you are a low rent community college dropout.

Go ahead and prove me wrong show us your AA from asslickers CC of Cuba.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582604]Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.[/QUOTE]Don't you want to publicly fluff Xi on the thread anymore and lick his anus clean for him?

Cmon? You can do it! I believe in you!

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/20/morning-greatness-biden-admin-considers-china-sanctions-after-microsoft-hack/[/URL]

Lets stay on topic, no more bullshit childish attempts to divert us from the topic at hand.

Don't puss out on him, he needs your tongue and mouth.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582639]Don't you want to publicly fluff Xi on the thread anymore and lick his anus clean for him?

Cmon? You can do it! I believe in you!

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/20/morning-greatness-biden-admin-considers-china-sanctions-after-microsoft-hack/[/URL]

Lets stay on topic, no more bullshit childish attempts to divert us from the topic at hand.

Don't puss out on him, he needs your tongue and mouth.[/QUOTE]I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582865]I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.[/QUOTE]Learn how to spell you made in China POS!! "confirmatin bias"? WTF you defective made in China TURD.

Seriously you can't even spell a simple word? Is english your primary language? Try spell check, cmon comrade.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-xijingping-censorship/2021/07/06/id/1027703/[/URL]

I used denounce (with deliberation) and you cannot try to twist the topic to anything but your beloved Xis butthole jajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

De·nounce.

/ theə712;nouns /.

Learn to pronounce.

Verb.

Publicly declare to be wrong or evil.

"the Assembly denounced the use of violence".

Similar:

Condemn.

Criticize.

Attack.

Censure.

Castigate.

Decry.

Revile.

Vilify.

Besmirch.

Discredit.

Damn.

Reject.

Proscribe.

Find fault with.

Cast aspersions on.

Malign.

Pour scorn on.

Rail against.

Inveigh against.

Fulminate against.

Declaim against.

Give something a bad press.

Run something down.

Slur.

Bad-mouth.

Knock.

Pan.

Slam.

Hammer.

Blast.

Hit out at.

Lay into.

Lace into.

Pull to pieces.

Pull apart.

Savage.

Maul.

Slate.

Slag off.

Have a go at.

Give some stick to.

Rate.

Slash.

Reprobate.

Vituperate.

Excoriate.

Arraign.

Objurgate.

Asperse.

Anathematize.

Animadvert on.

Denunciate.

Opposite:

Praise.

Inform against.

"some of his own priests denounced him to the King for heresy".

Similar:

Expose.

Betray.

Inform against.

Inform on.

Incriminate.

Implicate.

"You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate", really? Seriously? Is this the best the CCP can teach you to go with? Is this your best? Jajajajajajajaaaaaaaa.

Yeah that's it, the whole fucking world hates China, not because they are pure fucking evil.

But because of bias and prejudice against the yellow man, is that it? Or some other reasons for the bias and prejudice against your beloved CCP?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582865]I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.[/QUOTE]Time to pack your shit and get back to Beijing STAT.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/20/chinas-hitler-decade/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Perhaps someone with experience in multiple regions like me can chime in as to what makes Medellin / Colombia so special given the above considerations. Personally I don't see it and will be only returning if other options are unavailable.[/QUOTE]IMO it is, will I return to Colombia? Maybe? I just cancelled my flight for next week due to some important work and family issues.

I liked MDE but when I was there I was looking around thinking, this really doesn't seem like the same place I read about.

When other places open up, I can't wait to visit them.

When I read posts I try to filter them for sweet lemons / sour grapes bias.

I can't speak for many but I think the proximity to the USA is a big draw, beyond that I won't speculate.

I found the weather in MDE to be very overrated, the city as well, it is such a small city, I seriously doubt I could ever spend more than a week or 2 there.

Nevermind living there.

I need 10 20 30 or even 40 million people not tiny ass MDE.

[URL]https://crazyshit.com/cnt/medias/70306-9-reasons-to-say-what-in-the-fuck-was-that[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2582467]Haha, that is a pretty nice advantage of fancying the girls in Centro. Just remember, their grading scale is just as correct as anyone else's though! *smile*.

In fact, come to think about it, guys who fancy Centro girls would surely have a better time all round, surely? If you compare a guy that has a blast fking girls in Centro for 30-50 k every day, compared to a guy that feels frustrataed and disappointed unless he can find the "needle in the haystack" 1-5. 000.000 fantasy girl that blows his mind (and then he blows his wallet but she fails to blow his dick. And no one else cares bcos its only his assessment of her looks). Haha.[/QUOTE]Can't tell you how many times I've been to higher end places like gustos or termas in sao paolo and blow $100 usd but the girls vag is too loose or she is mechanical though she is sexy.

In centro I can just pay 30 k to find out how good the pussy is, which is really what matters imo. It isn't usual for me to start with the girls I think are really hot, but unfornately they are loose or mechanical, then end up busting a nut with a chubby girl who DFK and is really tight and wet. Girl next door vibe.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583420]I found the weather in MDE to be very overrated, the city as well, it is such a small city, I seriously doubt I could ever spend more than a week or 2 there.

I need 10 20 30 or even 40 million people not tiny ass MDE.[/QUOTE]How odd that you post on the Medellin thread endlessly. Medellin has less than 3 million people but you require a city of 10+ million. You say you could never stay in Medellin for more than 1 or 2 weeks yet you post like you have been coming here for years. You have never been here! So why on earth do you post so much here?

There is NO midget at Bolivar Park or Botero. Bolivar Park has some girls once in a while, like very rare. I know one girl I did in Botero and saw her at Bolivar twice. I have eaten lunch half a block away twice a week for 3 months. It is mostly trans at the park and the surrounding area. There is a small thin older girl that everyone has seen at Botero but she is not a midget. You are the biggest liar.

I am in Manizales now. Then visiting Pereira and Armenia. But will not post what I do or do not find. Why bother when this site is flooded with so many guys' BS and none of these guys are kicked off / out.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2583815]Can't tell you how many times I've been to higher end places like gustos or termas in sao paolo and blow $100 usd but the girls vag is too loose or she is mechanical though she is sexy.

In centro I can just pay 30 k to find out how good the pussy is, which is really what matters imo. It isn't usual for me to start with the girls I think are really hot, but unfornately they are loose or mechanical, then end up busting a nut with a chubby girl who DFK and is really tight and wet. Girl next door vibe.[/QUOTE]Some generalizations about what many might consider "prettier" putas are some downsides to consider.

1) very shitty attitudes, they don't need your money, there are so many fools begging her to touch their pee pees, and she probably will tell you so.

2) their pussy gets fucked much more than most, so don't expect much friction.

3) they are much more likely to have an STD than other putas, and yes its safe for you to assume how I know that.

This is a just a couple, I could write many more LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2584042]The "right" girl meaning one that gives you head and / or perhaps lets you bang her on the ride? Now that's a fun girl!

I remember once almost banging a Chica in the DR when we were in a deserted movie theatre together, and it was tempting, and she was game, but I chickened out.

Perhaps in your case the issue becomes if you were to have some fun alone in the car together, do you do it on the ride up or down or maybe both ways! LOL.[/QUOTE]Be careful, I thought about it, just know on top of the posts that hold up the cables are cameras you might find yourself on Pornhub, unless you don't mind.

I'm guessing most people don't see the cameras jajajajajaaaaaaaa.

Or maybe they just use them to squeeze gringos for the sexo in public fine after you "get off" jajajaja.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583420]IMO it is, will I return to Colombia? Maybe? I just cancelled my flight for next week due to some important work and family issues.

I liked MDE but when I was there I was looking around thinking, this really doesn't seem like the same place I read about.

.......

I found the weather in MDE to be very overrated, the city as well, it is such a small city, I seriously doubt I could ever spend more than a week or 2 there.

Nevermind living there.

I need 10 20 30 or even 40 million people not tiny ass MDE.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2583869]How odd that you post on the Medellin thread endlessly. Medellin has less than 3 million people but you require a city of 10+ million. You say you could never stay in Medellin for more than 1 or 2 weeks yet you post like you have been coming here for years. You have never been here! So why on earth do you post so much here?

There is NO midget at Bolivar Park or Botero. Bolivar Park has some girls once in a while, like very rare. I know one girl I did in Botero and saw her at Bolivar twice. I have eaten lunch half a block away twice a week for 3 months. It is mostly trans at the park and the surrounding area. There is a small thin older girl that everyone has seen at Botero but she is not a midget. You are the biggest liar.

I am in Manizales now. Then visiting Pereira and Armenia. But will not post what I do or do not find. Why bother when this site is flooded with so many guys' BS and none of these guys are kicked off / out.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments. That poster comments on Medellin all the time but I have never read an original thought. He always writes something that sounds like a rehash from other poster's comments. I think he is some teenager (based on his subpar writing skills) fantasizing about the writings on this board.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2584062]I agree with your comments. That poster comments on Medellin all the time but I have never read an original thought. He always writes something that sounds like a rehash from other poster's comments. I think he is some teenager (based on his subpar writing skills) fantasizing about the writings on this board.[/QUOTE]My subpar writing skills? On a hooker forum jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Nobody said you can chime in, now get your nasty tongue back into Xis butthole you POS.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2584062]I agree with your comments. That poster comments on Medellin all the time but I have never read an original thought. He always writes something that sounds like a rehash from other poster's comments. I think he is some teenager (based on his subpar writing skills) fantasizing about the writings on this board.[/QUOTE]You could go on and on about his missteps on the things he's written about Colombia. Here are a couple:

He wrote that he hiked the trail to the top of Monserrate in Bogota, without realizing there was a tram that goes to the top. However, you have to walk past the tram and funicular to get to the hiking trail to the top. It would be like being on Liberty Island and not noticing the Statue of Liberty.

He wrote about a midget hooker working Parque Bolivar, although nobody else has seen her, and as most people know, most of the hookers in the Parque Bolivar area are trannies.

Perhaps my favorite is when he said he ordered the Tomahawk at Colosal and it was all fat. Getting any type of steak in Colombia that's mostly fat is about as likely as finding a 25 year old hooker, with 3 kids, who is a virgin. The problem with Colombian beef is a lack of fat. Colombian cattle are grass fed, free range cattle. US beef cattle spend most of their lives in feed lots, where they can barely move and they're fed a mixture of grain, hormones and antibiotics. The result is that Colombian beef tends to be much leaner than US beef.

Then he wrote that he took the bus from Bogota to Medellin, thinking he could enjoy the scenery, but he took the night bus. As we all know, sunset in Colombia is about 6 pm, with full darkness around 7:30. Sunrise is about 6 am. Someone who has never been out of Chicago expects it to still be light until about 10 pm in the summer. Anyone who has been to Colombia knows it gets dark early.

Some people can only live in their fantasies.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2584053]Be careful, I thought about it, just know on top of the posts that hold up the cables are cameras you might find yourself on Pornhub, unless you don't mind.

I'm guessing most people don't see the cameras jajajajajaaaaaaaa.

Or maybe they just use them to squeeze gringos for the sexo in public fine after you "get off" jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Can we add the metrocables to the list of Medellin's features which you know nothing about?

There are no cameras on the metrocables. They wouldn't do much good anyway. The metrocables have tinted and scratched plexiglass windows. It's difficult to see through. It's my biggest complaint about the metrocables, because it's difficult to take any good pictures.

I try really hard to ignore his mentally ill posts I know he's trolling me to try to help his fellow anti American buddy the villain, anything to change the topic of the CCP and Vs love of them.

Birds of a feather flock together, I'm guessing he's also another America hating China ass licker.

The ignore feature doesn't work that well here. I really wish it did.

Since he is stalking my posts for "missteps" jajaja.

So I guess I will respond to the forum not him, Ill also start off by apologizing if I don't type as well as these 2, that seem like a couple of low rent legal aid paralegals.

Now onto his fake news post.

Bullshit lie #1 he said I went to Monserrate and didn't see the tram before taking the stairs, can anyone confirm you cannot see the tram if you take a taxi and he drops you off in front of the stairs, you will never see the tram thru the trees until you are almost at the top.

Bullshit lie #2 the hooker in MDE, Surfer calls her a midget, so I copied his word, I think others have used it as well.

Bullshit lie #3 he said I said my steak was "all fat"? Really that's pathetic, can you believe that scumbag would write that, here is my exact quote from my post.

"Ordered the Tomahawk also, big mistake, mostly fat, bone and other inedible material" what a low rent scumbag! But I knew this, that's why I don't engage him anymore.

I see the nonsense he writes with Elvis, if I buy this site he will be the 1st one banned along with any IP address he posts from.

Lastly he wrote there are no damn cameras on the poles in Parque Arvi, well I'm willing to bet anyone 50000 usd right now there are, don't listen to this stoopid dirtbag.

I will fly to MDE in the morning and prove it!!

He sounds like a poorly paid legal aid paralegal with lines like they don't have them but if they did they wouldn't do any good jajaja.

Yes Parque Arvi is a major tourist attraction, we saw zero graffiti or vandalism anywhere, I'm guessing the tourist prices for the tram keep away local vandals (I don't even know if security would let young local teens on).

He said the glass / plastic windows are all fucked up you can't take good fotos, complete lies, we rode them on 2 diff days, they are spotless, he is the biggest fool / troll on the thread.

Remember when you see the cams on top of the poles he said they didn't exist.

But the dirtbag will probably claim they just installed them today, only scumbags with zero regard for integrity would write what he writes.

Here is my proof!

I promise to do better ignoring him but I forgot to write about his last lie.

"Then he wrote that he took the bus from Bogota to Medellin, thinking he could enjoy the scenery, but he took the night bus. As we all know, sunset in Colombia is about 6 pm, with full darkness around 7:30. Sunrise is about 6 am. Someone who has never been out of Chicago expects it to still be light until about 10 pm in the summer. Anyone who has been to Colombia knows it gets dark early.

Some people can only live in their fantasies."

So just ignore this psychopath!! He is the ISG stalker!!

Here is what I wrote.

In another event I asked Mr E about taking the bus to MDE from BOG a few months back, he said don't do it, so I said fuck it, I'll fly.

I wanted to see the landscape, but no problem.

Well with some very very last minute change in plans, I found myself checking out of my hotel and taking an Uber to the bus station.

I took an 8 pm bus, it had the aircon cranked and was really really freezing and I like it cool, by the time we started descending the mountains it warmed up outside and fogged the black tinted windows completely.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2584168]I try really hard to ignore his mentally ill posts I know he's trolling me to try to help his fellow anti American buddy the villain, anything to change the topic of the CCP and Vs love of them.

Birds of a feather flock together, I'm guessing he's also another America hating China ass licker.

The ignore feature doesn't work that well here. I really wish it did.

Since he is stalking my posts for "missteps" jajaja.

So I guess I will respond to the forum not him, Ill also start off by apologizing if I don't type as well as these 2, that seem like a couple of low rent legal aid paralegals..[/QUOTE]Why are you running and hiding? Little ElVirus did the same thing. Since he was unable to counter my points he went into hiding, only referring to me when responding to some other person's points, which he also can't counter.

Before I get started, I have a couple of questions for you. Sade was an extremely successful British artist. I would have thought she would have driven a Jaguar or perhaps a Rolls Royce. What makes you think she had a Mercury Marquis? And why would the car of a pop star appeal to you? Perhaps "BiebersBently" would be a better handle for you. After all, he's a talentless prick heading towards obscurity.

Yes, I'm well aware of the Marquis de Sade, but he was a writer and you hold up your inability to write coherently as a badge of honor.

Let's start with your tomahawk. "Mostly fat, bone and other inedible material. " "All fat", "mostly fat", you skipped by the reason why you are unlikely to find any cut of beef in Colombia that is mostly fat. Did you have problems understanding that part? As for the bone, without the bone it's just a ribeye steak. Other inedible material? Highly unlikely. With some cuts of meat you might get pieces of ligament or tendon. Not with a ribeye.

Of course the timing of your post about Colosal was certainly suspect. I posted my review, someone else posted their review and then you posted. Your description of the typical women found in Colosal was also way off. But you wouldn't know that because you've never been there.

Let's talk about the metrocables, shall we? Each car holds up to 8 people. The plexiglass is tinted and because it's plexiglass, it's scratched. At the top there are vents, but if the car is full it's stuffy and hot. As anyone who has tried to take pictures through tinted, scratched plexiglass can attest, it affects the quality of the picture, probably because you've added a filter of tinted, scratched plexiglass. However, it also makes it difficult to see clearly into the cars, from the other cars. The cars in front and behind are too far away for a clear view, only the returning cars, as they pass are close enough, and then only briefly. But why waste words when pictures show exactly what I stated?

You rode the metrocables 2 days and you don't know if they'll let local teens on? I've ridden all of the metrocables, most several times. There are always teens waiting to ride the metrocables. Someone who has never been to Medellin and never ridden the metrocables might not understand this, but it's a significant point. While the metrocables are used by tourists, they were not built for tourism. They were built for the same reason as the escalators in Comuna 13, to make parts of the city more accessible. It would defeat the purpose if "security" stopped everyone and checked IDs before letting them on. If you had ever tried to ride the Metro or metrocables on election day you would understand how disastrous that would be. For those who don't know, the entire metro system is free on election day and the lines for the metrocables are extremely long.

One last metro point. You won't find graffiti in the Metro trains either. Are you suggesting no teens are allowed on the trains?

Monserrate anyone? If you tell a taxi you want to go to Monserrate, the driver is going to drop you right in front of the ticket station to catch the tram or funicular, unless you specifically tell him to keep going and drop you 50 yards further up because you want to hike to the top. Go ahead and find me a Bogota taxi driver who is going to assume a middle aged gringo wants to hike to the top instead of taking the tram or funicular?

Do a search for Monserrate and you'll find pictures and descriptions of the tram and funicular, whether you go with Trip Advisor, Wikipedia or the Monserrate official website. Sorry, but I'm not going to believe any monger wouldn't be able to figure out that one of Bogota's top attractions has ways to get there other than hiking up a mountain, especially not a monger who claims to have mongered in so many places.

The midget hooker in Medellin? Surfer specifically said, while there is a very small hooker in the Veracruz area, she's not a midget as she's properly proportioned. And you stated you saw her at Parque Bolivar. Again that's unlikely because mostly trannies work near Parque Bolivar.

There used to be an indigenous woman who hung out next to the casino behind Iglesia Veracruz, in an area where you would expect to find only hookers. She was always dressed normally, but was probably working. She was probably only 4 ft tall or less. If she hadn't always looked dirty I would have been tempted to try her. But that's been 3-4 years ago.

I see you neglected to address my question about the Bogota to Medellin bus ride, at night, when you thought you would see some of the scenery. How is it that someone with so much (claimed) experience in Colombia didn't realize that sunset is at 6 pm and that the entire trip would be in the dark?

I haven't bought your bullshit from day one. I'm still not buying it. You've written a bunch of garbage about how you always get a better price, or get the hookers for free, but why would you be in Parque Bolivar? There are some casas nearby, but they all have set prices and all are more than the $5 you constantly spew. There are the trannies there, but they probably want more than $5 too.

If you're someone who never overpays, why would you go to Colosal? It's an overpriced restaurant with a nice view. There are plenty of excellent options which are much more accessible.

Where's your trip report? You've posted about a few things, things which others have posted about, but no actual report. Why is that? What was the process like at the airport? Bogota? Isn't that where you flew into? Where did you stay? Where did you eat? Where's the reports about all the girls you got for $5 or free? What about Medellin? Surely you didn't spend all your time with the trannies in Parque Bolivar. Where did you stay? Other than Colosal, where did you eat? What time and day were you at Colosal? Where else did you go?

You go right ahead and fly to Medellin in the morning. When you get there you can send me yet another PM. I'll give you a WhatsApp number of someone you can contact to verify that you are in Medellin. You don't have to meet them, because that would be too scary for you. Just send them a picture as proof and I'll happily retract all of my doubts about you.

Of course, you already skipped your chance to do that. According to your posts, you were in Colombia, while I was there. However, the PM you sen.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2584423]Why are you running and hiding? Little ElVirus did the same thing. Since he was unable to counter my points he went into hiding, only referring to me when responding to some other person's points, which he also can't counter.[/QUOTE]Can't counter? LOL. You got the virus in the exact setting, the family home, that I said was most dangerous. Unlike Fauci's bullshit about Covid being asymptomatic, I said for guys here to avoid sick people. You did not listen and got the virus in the family home around someone sick whereas I have been around hundreds of people with it and have not gotten it. Why would anyone listen to you on Covid at all then? As a warning for what not to do?

As for women, you can brag all you want about all the women desperate to see you, but it is like quarterbacks. If you have more than one, you really have none. I have a woman who is a 10 in looks, in bed, and character wise. She cried her eyes out the last day we were together and has literally been so sick without me, I had to book a flight just so we could spend a few days together, and she still has not asked for a dime. She is a former model that turns heads everywhere we go, works out 4 hours a day, and fucks me so hard she moves the bed around the room if it is not bolted down.

If you think for one second I would change my life for yours, you are out of your God damned mind.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2584062]I agree with your comments. That poster comments on Medellin all the time but I have never read an original thought. He always writes something that sounds like a rehash from other poster's comments. I think he is some teenager (based on his subpar writing skills) fantasizing about the writings on this board.[/QUOTE]Claims to be 54, but definitely acts like a teen. He's been exposed several times as his stories / timeline does not match up. Consensus is that he's never been to Colombia, but has nothing better to do than troll a monger forum. Sad really.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2584168]I see the nonsense he writes with Elvis, if I buy this site he will be the 1st one banned along with any IP address he posts from.[/QUOTE]I've been online for more than 30 years, going all the way back to Prodigy and GeNIE. In that time I've received hundreds of online threats. While all online threats are silly and childish, this one goes above and beyond.

I you buy ISG, you're going to ban me? Why not threaten to have Batman come and kick my ass? It's slightly more plausible and at least it's a suggestion of something which would harm me.

This might come as a surprise to you, but my life doesn't revolve around ISG. At this point there's almost never any information which is new to me. I enjoy answering questions and helping people and I've met some great guys from ISG. But I have never experienced a problem when I've taken an extended break from the site.

Here's an option which is much cheaper and quicker than buying ISG. Just send a message to the Admins. Give them an ultimatum. Either they ban me from the site, or you're going to stop posting. I look forward to the results.

Let me know if I need to send my address to Batman.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2584391]I promise to do better ignoring him but I forgot to write about his last lie.

"Then he wrote that he took the bus from Bogota to Medellin, thinking he could enjoy the scenery, but he took the night bus. As we all know, sunset in Colombia is about 6 pm, with full darkness around 7:30. Sunrise is about 6 am. Someone who has never been out of Chicago expects it to still be light until about 10 pm in the summer. Anyone who has been to Colombia knows it gets dark early.

Some people can only live in their fantasies."

So just ignore this psychopath!! He is the ISG stalker!!

Here is what I wrote.

In another event I asked Mr E about taking the bus to MDE from BOG a few months back, he said don't do it, so I said fuck it, I'll fly.

I wanted to see the landscape, but no problem.

Well with some very very last minute change in plans, I found myself checking out of my hotel and taking an Uber to the bus station.

I took an 8 pm bus, it had the aircon cranked and was really really freezing and I like it cool, by the time we started descending the mountains it warmed up outside and fogged the black tinted windows completely.[/QUOTE]And still you haven't addressed the question.

If your reason for thinking about taking the bus was to see the landscape, and you had been advised against it, why take the bus at 8 pm? There are flights leaving practically every hour until almost midnight, it takes less than an hour and tickets start at $21. The bus tickets start at 71 k, or $18.

Of course then I have to wonder why you would ask Mr. E. I just can't see him ever taking a 10 hour bus ride to save $3. I'd ask someone like The Tallman who has driven the route several times.

Earlier I remembered a particular trip I took in the Metrocable to Parque Arvi. It was with my roommate and her (now ex) boyfriend. This was the second trip the 3 of us took to Parque Arvi. The first time the boyfriend drove, which was a mistake. The purpose of the second trip was to take some pictures of my roommate on the metrocable and in the park for her webcam page.

On the way up we had a car to yourself once we left Santo Domingo. My roommate stripped down and her boyfriend started taking pictures. He was a bit annoyed that she was taking her clothes off in front of me, even though I saw her naked nearly every day. When we got to the top he took her aside and argued with her about getting naked in front of me, which cancelled taking any pictures in the park and cut short the trip.

It ended up being a complete waste of time. He wasn't much of a photographer and every picture clearly showed me and him reflected in the plexiglass.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2584423]Before I get started, I have a couple of questions for you. Sade was an extremely successful British artist. I would have thought she would have driven a Jaguar or perhaps a Rolls Royce.[/QUOTE]For the record Sade Adu is alive and well, though hasn't toured in a good while and seems to be mostly retired. Yes she can drive whatever she likes.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPhi8hDP9Yk[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2584391]I promise to do better ignoring him but I forgot to write about his last lie.

"Then he wrote that he took the bus from Bogota to Medellin, thinking he could enjoy the scenery, but he took the night bus. As we all know, sunset in Colombia is about 6 pm, with full darkness around 7:30. Sunrise is about 6 am. Someone who has never been out of Chicago expects it to still be light until about 10 pm in the summer. Anyone who has been to Colombia knows it gets dark early.

Some people can only live in their fantasies."

So just ignore this psychopath!! He is the ISG stalker!!

Here is what I wrote.

In another event I asked Mr E about taking the bus to MDE from BOG a few months back, he said don't do it, so I said fuck it, I'll fly.

I wanted to see the landscape, but no problem.

Well with some very very last minute change in plans, I found myself checking out of my hotel and taking an Uber to the bus station.

I took an 8 pm bus, it had the aircon cranked and was really really freezing and I like it cool, by the time we started descending the mountains it warmed up outside and fogged the black tinted windows completely.[/QUOTE]Tell me more about your dreams, you clearly have never stepped foot in Colombia. Quit misleading the forum readers LOL, you've been exposed several times already.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2582865]I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.[/QUOTE]Jajaja well said. He's been exposed as a fraud several times already. Jjbee was in Colombia last month and asked him to meet up to prove he can pull chicas for free as he claims. He of course made up some excuse about a BKK trip (mind you, BKK had a 10-14 day quarantine in effect for visitors, so another BS lie). Then he all of a sudden posts in the MDE thread that he's been there for several weeks LOL.