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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2466778]We look to ourselves to survive and do not depend on the government. Our best president of last 50 years Reagan said government is part of the problem, not of solution. We own guns to protect ourselves; I do myself even if I live in a very nice gated complex.[/QUOTE][URL=https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2018/pew-recent-president-survey.html]Among Americans over 73, Reagan is most popular. Reagan edges Obama for age group 38-53.[/URL] I didn't realize how unpopular JFK was. In my views, the current debates on police violence can be traced to Reagan's time in office. I think guns would be a good idea no matter where you live in the USA.
Just some thoughts on some of your other comments, that I didn't get around to responding too. RE: My caginess, I would say I try not to be too dogmatic or profess that something is undeniably true. RE: Nationalism: Younger Americans seem less likely to buy into ideas of American exceptionalism.
[QUOTE]"Millennials also were much less inclined to embrace the idea that America is the greatest country in the world. Only half of millennials felt that way, compared to much higher percentages of the other three generations. In a related response, only one-quarter of millenials saw the need for the U.S. to be the dominant world leader. These findings track with the 2014 American National Election Study, which found that while 78 percent of silent, 70 percent of boomer and 60 percent of Gen X respondents consider their American identity as extremely important, only 45 percent of millennials do."
[URL]https://theconversation.com/millennials-are-so-over-us-domination-of-world-affairs-99167[/URL]
"Younger people in the United States often have more positive views of foreign countries and institutions than their elders, according to Pew Research Center surveys. But do these attitudes persist as generations age? Results of a new analysis indicate that even as they grow older, younger generations tend to be more internationally oriented, more favorably disposed to groups, leaders and countries beyond their border, and less likely to see the U.S. as exceptional."
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2018/02/02/millennials-are-on-the-frontlines-of-political-and-cultural-change-in-america/[/URL][/QUOTE]RE: Is predicting unrest / civil war in USA anti-USA? CIA Factbook considers a GINI over 40 to be a precursor for unrest and instability. That said, a richer country having a GINI of 45 should be more stable than a Third World country with the same GINI. The USA has had a GINI ratio above that threshold since the early 1990's. I have to imagine that at various points throughout the last quarter century, that FBI analysts while presenting reports to their superiors, might have echoed sentiments similar to mine.
Lastly, I could envision the pendulum swing from superpower nations towards smaller, powerful city-states. Didn't California half-heartedly suggest this? I am not predicting or hoping that US, EU, and China break up, but given the ease at which social media and mainstream media are able to create division, maybe the world evolves towards alliances of city-states. I am sure my investment portfolio would not appreciate that instability.
[QUOTE]"Today cities power over two-thirds of global GDP: they are marvels of innovation and engines for prosperity. Cities are open, plural and cosmopolitan while nation states are closed, nativist and parochial. ".
[URL]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/as-nation-states-falter-cities-are-stepping-up/[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2467396]This is due to the migrants. Most of the migrants come from countries where men and women bathe in separate beaches and even in the women only beaches the women bathe in clothes covered from head to toe so if a peeping tom is getting his rocks off at a women's beach he can only see the eyes and nose.[/QUOTE]Seems like you are talking about Muslims. I am sure their numbers will continue to grow in the coming decades, but at least back in 2014, there weren't enough Muslims to impose their worldviews on nudity culture.
[QUOTE]"How much do people living in Germany know about the countrys Muslim population? This issue of the Research Units To The Point analyses one facet of what people know about Muslims based on an analysis of the 2014 SVR Integration Barometer: how many Muslims live in Germany? The analysis shows that around 70 per cent of respondents overestimate, in some cases significantly, the number of Muslims living in Germany. Nearly one-third of those surveyed estimated the number to be higher than 10 million although the actual figure is only around 4 million. Key factors in the accuracy of the estimate were the respondent's gender and level of education: women's estimates were much higher than men's regardless of the group of origin. People with upper secondary education (Abitur) were closer in their estimates to the actual figure than people with lower secondary education (Hauptschule)."
https://www.svr-migration.de/en/publications/how-many-muslims-live-in-germany/[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2467495][URL=https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2018/pew-recent-president-survey.html]Among Americans over 73, Reagan is most popular. Reagan edges Obama for age group 38-53.[/URL] I didn't realize how unpopular JFK was. In my views, the current debates on police violence can be traced to Reagan's time in office. I think guns would be a good idea no matter where you live in the USA.
Just some thoughts on some of your other comments, that I didn't get around to responding too. RE: My caginess, I would say I try not to be too dogmatic or profess that something is undeniably true. RE: Nationalism: Younger Americans seem less likely to buy into ideas of American exceptionalism.
RE: Is predicting unrest / civil war in USA anti-USA? CIA Factbook considers a GINI over 40 to be a precursor for unrest and instability. That said, a richer country having a GINI of 45 should be more stable than a Third World country with the same GINI. The USA has had a GINI ratio above that threshold since the early 1990's. I have to imagine that at various points throughout the last quarter century, that FBI analysts while presenting reports to their superiors, might have echoed sentiments similar to mine..[/QUOTE]I thought you said the chance of unrest in US is 1% to 3%? Or is that the chance of a French style revolution? What is the chance of the same events in various European countries?
What does it mean to say there is a 1% chance? If we try this a hundred times, it is likely to happen once?
It seems to me even you think it is a very small chance. I don't think even you believe your numbers have any sort of precision to them. So, 1%, 3%, 5%, 0. 5%, 0. 1% are all in the same ball park.
I personally think it will not happen. Revolution is not some Monte Carlo analysis happening in real life. It either happens or does not happen. I don't think it will happen, in the next 5 years or even 10 years.
I am willing to wager that Euro will break up as a currency before there is a Revolution in US. That has no probabilities attached to the statement. If revolution happens in the US before Euro breaks up, you win I lose, LOL and vice versa.
As for city states, I haven't heard it. Yeah, CA is special and a bit weird. But city states? I would put even less money on it. Where is the evidence? Italy used to be a city states type system, now a normal country. I mean, you can speculate about these things but tbh, they are sounding to me like wild guesses.
Analysis to me is looking at a bunch of possibilities none of which look to be certain, perhaps most of them appear to be 20% to 30% probabilities, and picking the one or two which will become 70% to 80% type events. If we throw up a bunch of possibilities which have 1% to 5% chances, then I don't know what that gets us. OK, if one of those 1% events actually becomes 80% suddenly, you become a hero. That's what venture capitalists do, investing in a lot of things none of which look like sure fire winners and most are busts but if they hit a home run every once in a while it makes up for 25 other failures.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2467484]I would pay 200/300 USD for her if photos are reliable. Yes, in Spain can have a girl for evening restaurant and the night for 300 + gift like perfume. Can also sometimes in Paris with Russian escort.[/QUOTE]I had a couple of Ukrainian and other CIS sugar babes who were in US for school, other short time stays. You are right, they were among the best. I wish we had more Russian girls coming to US for studies, LOL.
That girl in the photo, she will not be available for 200. May be a dinner date but not sex. Such a girl will demand at least 400 if she is going to have sex with you. However, it is not 400 per hour because she will spend a couple of hours w / you, if not more. Again, US is more expensive than Europe in these things.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467102]One babe I saw on seeking today.[/QUOTE]Youtuber Alyssa Kulani?
Have you met her irl?
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Not feeling hypocrite?
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467451]One more thing Sirioja. Generally, my experience is that most girls are not photoshopped that much. Unlike w / escorts, you don't approach sugar babes only for sex. You meet, have a drink / lunch or dinner / movie date etc and then may be sex at some point. If the girl looks very different from photos, you can walk away. For that reason, most girls do not cheat. Some have photos from a year ago and say "of the 4 photos, the 3rd photo is a year old" in their profile description.
This girl I included is pretty hot. Not all of them are that cute. This one is just 19 or 20. I would think if she agrees to have sex, it will be at least $400 for a couple of hours. That would be my guess. I will be very surprised if she agrees to $300.
Keep in mind paid sex is technically illegal and more expensive in most of America. So, prices will be a bit higher than Europe, to be expected.[/QUOTE]Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?
Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.
Very very hypocritical view.
I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.
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[QUOTE=EFrog;2467656]Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?
Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.
Very very hypocritical view.
I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.[/QUOTE]Who cares what we call them? If it makes you feel better, call every relationship in which one gives sex to the other, and the other party pays more of the money a form of prostitution. That includes all marriages and not always female prostitutes either. I have a good friend who was a managing director at Merrill; he lost his job 5 years ago and is taking care of their 3 kids while his wife who is an oncologist is working full time and bringing in the moolah. I assume they have sex. So, we should call him a male prostitute. I will make a note of it for my next conversation with him, LOL.
I was answering Sirioja. He said I will take a sugar babe for 200 to 300. My point is that you can't simply wave a cash wand in the face of a sugar babe and ask her to suck your dick then and there. Well, you can ask but most likely you will get reported to the site admin and have your subscription revoked. So, there is a practical difference. To me, that is more relevant than semantics. But feel free to call them what you want.
I am kinda lost on your point about 19 year old, sex and beer. Topic for another day.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467561]I had a couple of Ukrainian and other CIS sugar babes who were in US for school, other short time stays. You are right, they were among the best. I wish we had more Russian girls coming to US for studies, LOL.
That girl in the photo, she will not be available for 200. May be a dinner date but not sex. Such a girl will demand at least 400 if she is going to have sex with you. However, it is not 400 per hour because she will spend a couple of hours w / you, if not more. Again, US is more expensive than Europe in these things.[/QUOTE]Had a angel face, far prettier face than Linda, and quite elegant, much more charm than Linda, German for 200 at Globe in expensive Zurich, and we told to repeat. Really not bad for me in Switzerland or Austria, since reopening.
Usually, I know how to manage to get offered.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2466122]On the business side of things, I have seen Asians approach things differently than what I see in Western European Americans, aka Whites. Whites go to the bank, try to get a loan, work on their own to save money to start up. I have observed Asians making near total sacrifice to get momentum.
The reason I point these things out, even though they pass both state and international borders, is that it demonstrates how different cultures address inequalities, some thrive on fighting to overcome it while others let the inequalities for their future.[/QUOTE]Not equivalent to compare sixth-generation White Americans to first-generation poor non-White immigrants. The native-born White-American, no matter how poor, is still not as economically desperate as his first-generation ancestor from Ireland was: [URL]https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/jacob-august-riis-lodgers-in-bayard-street-tenement-five-cents-a-spot-1889[/URL].
Immigrants do not readily accept failure. And they generally have a different temperament to the ones that stayed behind in their home country. In other words, they are not representative of everyone else back in their home country.
Many immigrants to Western countries already have high levels of educational attainment and may even have been members of the social elite in their home country. This might give them a certain level of confidence in their own abilities, and perhaps make them more resilient to setbacks that they might encounter. Illegals, refugees, or family-sponsored immigrants would generally have lower levels of education. But what is common amongst them is that they probably have family back home that is much poorer than even the poorest White-American, White-Western-European or Black-American. These immigrants have people back home that depend on them. Look if I am a middle class Syrian father and I can only afford to pay human smugglers to get one of my three sons to Western Europe, I am not going to the pick the lazy son with the "defeatist" mindset. And if I am the "chosen" son, then I have a sense of duty and responsibility to not let my family down.
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Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2468002]Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.[/QUOTE]During one of my business trips, I was in Africa and I heard similar stories about how people there think that in Europe roads are paved with gold and that everybody here earns 5-6 thousand Euros per month and drives a big Mercedes. I think those are stories that people smugglers spread, so they can charge 10000 Dollars for a 'ticket' to Europe. "Don't worry, you can pay it back within 3-4 months," they tell their victims, making these poor and uneducated people believe that thereafter the new migrant into Europe can make huge profits and send money home. SO then they borrow 10000 Dollars from friends and family with the story that they will pay this back in 3-4 months, and make a dangerous long journey to Europe.
When you try to explain things that for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximum, and that not much is left at the end of the month after paying minimum 500-700 Euros in rent, paying 1,5 Euro for 1 liter of fuel, paying 30% income tax, paying 20% VAT on clothes or electronics, paying for health-car insurance, paying for car parking, paying high prices in supermarkets, then you see African people with a strange and empty look on their face. They think you're lying to stop them from coming to Europe.
They simply don't understand things like taxes because in Africa everybody scams the system, or they just don't want to understand.
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Migrants
The fact is that migrants, whether in the US, Britain or Europe, do the lowest paying most menial jobs that nationals of those countries refuse to do. Some are even worse off than if they stayed in their own countries. Then why do they not return home? Pride. I once witnessed at an airport in Colombia a young woman who was travelling to the US which was obviously her first trip. Her whole family and many relatives and friends came out to see her off. There was lots of crying, laughter and emotional outbursts seeing her off to immigration. The expectation is that she will send money back to them in Colombia. No way is she returning back home other than as a successful person on a temporary visit.
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Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.
[blue]Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.[/blue]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2468262]Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.
[blue]Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.[/blue][/QUOTE]That's the stated policy. But it isn't always evenly enforced, if enforced at all.
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Reply EL: I don t know about which racist post you are speaking about, but for me describing the reality has nothing to do with racism, for example 13% of the US people are black, this is a fact, today there are more black in jail than white, this is also a fact, may be you consider that being racist.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468111] for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximum[/QUOTE]LOL! What?
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Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468749]Believe it or not, but opening FKK clubs so that a bunch of sex tourists can come monger and spread the virus. Is probably the LAST thing on the minds of German politicians. As for the local Germans: they are used to "following orders" and "blindly following politicians" so they won't wake up until it's too late.
On German boards, criticizing politicians is "verboten," and the way they are now deleting posts and banning people who dare criticizing the European (not just German) politicians for totally mishandeling the situation (and disrespecting the German constitution with totalitarian measures, is totally identical to the way they were deleting accounts and posts back in January-February when you mentioned Wuhan and the situation there, and voiced concerns that this will eventually also come to Europe and effect the FKK clubs. Back in January-February, I would like a post of someone who was concerned about the Wuhan virus, and a few hours later I would check to see what other people thought, but the post would be gone with a message that it was "off topic. " Hahaha! And when people would open a new thread, they would close the thread, saying something like "it has nothing to do with P6." And look at them now: everything closed for months and no end in sight.
Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."[/QUOTE]
Bullshit
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[QUOTE=BaltiX;2469200]Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.[/QUOTE]So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!
[QUOTE=BaltiX;2469200]Bullshit[/QUOTE]I like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2469246]So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!
I like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.[/QUOTE]I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in NRW?
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[quote]I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in.[/quote]Reply EL: Escort business is booming in most of European countries but still at high risk for me may be even higher than FKK, there is no control, no cleaning, nothing.
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Spain
So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined. This goes back to the point that Corona is anything but truly behind us yet. The problem is that every time the new infections have slightly stabilized or down, people rush out to mingle, socialize and do other things. But that is leading to newer waves, and each new peak is bigger than the last. Europe has been admirable while we in the US have been atrocious. I hope they can keep it in control in EU, and I stand by my prediction that the chance of opening any large Hessen style clubs in DE is less than 5%prior to September and less than 25% prior to December.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2468174]The fact is that migrants, whether in the US, Britain or Europe, do the lowest paying most menial jobs that nationals of those countries refuse to do. Some are even worse off than if they stayed in their own countries. Then why do they not return home? Pride. I once witnessed at an airport in Colombia a young woman who was travelling to the US which was obviously her first trip. Her whole family and many relatives and friends came out to see her off. There was lots of crying, laughter and emotional outbursts seeing her off to immigration. The expectation is that she will send money back to them in Colombia. No way is she returning back home other than as a successful person on a temporary visit.[/QUOTE]Got to disagree with you there. Most do not return home because in those countries (and especially middle eastern countries) the governments and sometimes the employers will bankrupt those workers to the point that they cannot return. Whether its jailing them for various infractions or simply not paying them enough for plane tickets or passport renewal, many literally cannot afford to go home. Now with COVID quarantine restrictions forcing many to do a 14 day self-paid hotel quarantine, many can't afford to go home even after getting a plane ticket because they can't afford the hotel on the other side.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2470367]Reply EL: Escort business is booming in most of European countries but still at high risk for me may be even higher than FKK, there is no control, no cleaning, nothing.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree here. FKKs are the highest risk types of setting for virus transmission. Think people density in a closed environment. With escorts the risk is comparatively lower with two people.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2470712]So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined. This goes back to the point that Corona is anything but truly behind us yet. The problem is that every time the new infections have slightly stabilized or down, people rush out to mingle, socialize and do other things. But that is leading to newer waves, and each new peak is bigger than the last. Europe has been admirable while we in the US have been atrocious. I hope they can keep it in control in EU, and I stand by my prediction that the chance of opening any large Hessen style clubs in DE is less than 5%prior to September and less than 25% prior to December.[/QUOTE]With the onset of the flu season and the cold weather preventing the big FKKs from using the outside areas, I would put the odds of FKKs staying closed for the rest of 2020 at 95%.
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[QUOTE=WoofWoof;2470801]I have to disagree here. FKKs are the highest risk types of setting for virus transmission. Think people density in a closed environment. With escorts the risk is comparatively lower with two people.[/QUOTE]I fully agree brothels are the highest risk for virus spreading, girls being fucked by 10 guys per day, with many married guys returning to family, many old or fat. Of course, not without risk with escorts also fucked by many guys, when risk is everywhere, except with my friends marmots, when climbing my mountains for my great Summer.
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Why is it that Swiss and Austrian FKKs have opened but not German ones when all three are Germanic lands (all the major clubs in Switzerland are in the German part of Switzerland) and the current rate of Covid19 is not much higher in Germany?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2470712]So, related to the comments a few days ago about clubs opening in Spain and how DE is being too cautious and that could shut the FKKs permanently, it seems BoJo is now requiring UK citizens returning back from Spain tourism to be quarantined.[/QUOTE]Germany has now joined UK, in advising its citizens to avoid Spain.
According to this video at 1:15, "Polls show Germans continue to support the cautious approach of Angela Merkel's government": [URL]https://youtu.be/HizMJp0ShCs?t=75[/URL].
I take that to mean that, for time being, we won't be seeing mass protests in Stuttgart and Berlin like we did back in May, when many thought the anti-CV-19 measures were too stringent. I did, however, see some reports about young people organizing illegal, underground nightclubs. Other recent developments in and around Europe: Madrid requires masks in all indoor and outdoor public spaces. Nightclubs in Catalonia closed again. Late night curfew introduced in Antwerp. Travelers from Luxembourg not allowed to enter Germany without quarantine period.
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[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2470928]Why is it that Swiss and Austrian FKKs have opened but not German ones when all three are Germanic lands (all the major clubs in Switzerland are in the German part of Switzerland) and the current rate of Covid19 is not much higher in Germany?[/QUOTE]Swiss administration is ready for anything for money, like WGs. Austria is small country with not so many big clubs. Germany is big brothel in Europe and they had to confine again many people.
Chinese are claiming they are nearly for vaccine, but I prefer to visit all opened brothels, rather than taking any Chinese vaccine.
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(( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931[/URL]
Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.
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Swiss administration is ready for anything for money, like WGs. Austria is small country with not so many big clubs. Germany is big brothel in Europe and they had to confine again many people.
Chinese are claiming they are nearly for vaccine, but I prefer to visit all opened brothels, rather than taking any Chinese vaccine.
Reply EL: I prefer take the Chinese vaccine for sure, if you don t like China, better you through away your phone, laptop, and even your car, even in a Porsche so many part are coming from China, I am working in China for more than 20 years in the supply chain business. Many people don t like China just because China is demonstrating how a organised government, an homogeneous society is able to provide a great living standard and safe life to the majority of their citizens. For example, is it possible for a young woman with sexy clothes to walk through Detroit, Chicago. In the night, for sure not but very possible in Shanghai, Beijing. US is a democracy but where is the freedom when you are not even able to move like you want, this is also true, in France, Germany, UK, . France wants to give lessons to all the rest of the world but never forget that they abolished the death penalty only in 1981, and in so many places you are not free to go.
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[URL]https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html[/URL]
Everything helps when the economy tanks 10.1% even after large stimulus.
And to those claiming p6 in Germany is minuscule. Never forget that money pouring into a country, can always be 5- or 10-doubled in terms of monetary circulation.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2471053](( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931[/URL]
Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.[/QUOTE]A good option at the moment is to enroll yourself in one of the vaccine trials in your country, if you are eligible. I'm planning to take one for the team and enroll myself for the Oxford / IRBM / AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, but there are many in US and in other EU countries too. Vaccines have usually very minor side effects as they are inert pieces of proteins or DNA.
Rock.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2471053](( German Research Minister Anja Karliczek says it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine will be made available to the wider public before the middle of 2021.
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin, the minister said the government was providing funding grants to three German biotech companies CureVac, BioNTech and IDT Biologika to help speed up the development of their vaccine candidates. But she warned, "We should not expect a miracle. ".
"We must continue to assume that vaccines for the broader population will only be available from the middle of next year at the earliest" she added.))
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-us-death-toll-tops-150000/a-54359931[/URL]
Thats Depressing news, does that mean FKK club will not open until mid 2021 ! I was really hoping for December this year or January 2021 ! A vaccine wqs my hope, but it looks long time to wait.[/QUOTE]If the translation is correct, then she's just saying to not expect one rather than that there will not be one. Sounds like she is just being measured, keeping expectations low.
At least 5 vaccines are beginning the final phase of testing, American Moderna-NIH, British AstraZeneca-Oxford, Multinational BionTech-Pfizer-Fosun, and 2 Chinese companies. Australia is also in the final phase of testing if an older vaccine, the BCG vaccine, can provide partial protection.
The first 2 phases requires showing safety and efficacy in small populations. The final phase's success hinges on efficacy in larger populations while watching for developing side effects. If one of these these trials passes phase 3 and gains approval, vaccine roll out can come before the winter. Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2471164]Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.[/QUOTE]Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2471164]
If the translation is correct, then she's just saying to not expect one rather than that there will not be one. Sounds like she is just being measured, keeping expectations low.
At least 5 vaccines are beginning the final phase of testing, American Moderna-NIH, British AstraZeneca-Oxford, Multinational BionTech-Pfizer-Fosun, and 2 Chinese companies. Australia is also in the final phase of testing if an older vaccine, the BCG vaccine, can provide partial protection.
The first 2 phases requires showing safety and efficacy in small populations. The final phase's success hinges on efficacy in larger populations while watching for developing side effects. If one of these these trials passes phase 3 and gains approval, vaccine roll out can come before the winter. Best projections opens the possibility of emergency roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine as early as October.[/QUOTE]
It is claimed that China vaccine is stolen from the US.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/china-hackers-sought-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-research-says-us[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html[/URL]
It might be true because in the past China never really invented anything new, all of that is the stolen technology from other countries. How many noble price winners come from people who work in China?? They might be chinese but the are not developing their research in China.
The problem if you are not the original developer, you might miss something big features, devil in detail in development of the vaccine. Also, the problem with China is that they are a tyrant and all of the information is controlled by CCP. For that reason, you should never believe any news come from China. Who want to try vaccine from China before you see the actual effect !!!
Even the result of stage 3 trail has not been known, Jenner Institute in collaboration with Astra Zeneca has begun making potential vaccine.
"We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now. And we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.
[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118[/URL]
So let's hope as soon as the positive stage 3 result is confirmed, the approval process form authority will be fast tracked and might be available before winter this year.
As soon as I got "COVID-19" jab I will be ready to jab the girls.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2471255]It is claimed that China vaccine is stolen from the US.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/china-hackers-sought-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-research-says-us[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html[/URL]
It might be true because in the past China never really invented anything new, all of that is the stolen technology from other countries. How many noble price winners come from people who work in China?? They might be chinese but the are not developing their research in China.
The problem if you are not the original developer, you might miss something big features, devil in detail in development of the vaccine. Also, the problem with China is that they are a tyrant and all of the information is controlled by CCP. For that reason, you should never believe any news come from China. Who want to try vaccine from China before you see the actual effect !!!
Even the result of stage 3 trail has not been known, Jenner Institute in collaboration with Astra Zeneca has begun making potential vaccine.
"We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now. And we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.
[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118[/URL]
So let's hope as soon as the positive stage 3 result is confirmed, the approval process form authority will be fast tracked and might be available before winter this year.
As soon as I got "COVID-19" jab I will be ready to jab the girls.[/QUOTE]I always believed that September / October would be the key months to know the final results on vaccines, especially from Oxford, which was the first project.
The problem is for trump who wants to postpone the elections, because he knows that before November 3 there will be no mass vaccination for americans. He is already saying that a fraud is being prepared. Of course, since he is 10 points below the mediocre Biden in the polls, he is desperate. If I win, that's fine but if the other wins, it is fraud. The worst American president, even worse than Bush son.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2471235]Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?[/QUOTE]I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2471235]Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?[/QUOTE]COVID affects everyone differently, from no symptoms to fatal. I believe given a chance to take a vaccine I would rush to the front of the line, maybe two or three back. I'm not sure if anyone here has been ill enough to relate, but imagine an illness that attacks your whole body. You hurt everywhere and you barely have energy to stand up and walk. I had severe pneumonia a few years back. I remember being out of energy walking to the toilet. Well, the COVID is worse. To avoid that misery I would for sure take the vaccination. That is my opinion, but it's a solid though for me.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2471370]I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.[/QUOTE]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?
It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2471532]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?
It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.[/QUOTE]Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2471532]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?
It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.[/QUOTE]The COVID-19 vaccine development is unprecedented. In general circumstances, it will need about 4-5 years to be fully tested. Is it what the people want to and how many would have died by then?? Business and economic collapse. How many businesses will go into administration by then ?? How many people will lose their job by then
From our point of view as punters, How many FKKs, GB party, Partytreffs, Brothels, would have closed by then ? How many WGs would have lost their job by then ? We do not like that do we ??
Any unprecedented event needs to be matched with unprecedented response. So, it is reasonable to expect that the vaccine developers will need to be exempted from prosecution. Otherwise the people who have sacrificed their life, the people who work day and night to combat this pandemic will be wasted. Thinks about the researchers, volunteers, nurses, down. elderly who are more at risk and of course citizen of the world. And of course us punters and WGs. We have suffered a lot from this lock down. Instead the greedy lawyers will take advantage of the crisis.
Also keep in mind it is the government of the country who order the vaccine even before it has been fully tested and approved. No government have been forced to do that. It is the individual government choice. The choice is clear do you want a normal response where you could prosecute the company behind the vaccine? Then Wait 4-5 years. Otherwise you have to exempt the company behind from the prosecution.
Also no one has been forced to get the COVID-19 jab, each individual maintains personal right to refuse to get jabbed, to wait whenever they feel safer to do so. It is your choice.
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Some protests against cv-19 restrictions in Germany and counter protests: [URL]https://youtu.be/3F2i0wDCfug[/URL].
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US COVID-19 infomercial
Salaam zusammen,
I just watched this Coronavirus Update from the Trump White House. I have to admit I was surprised and even a little impressed by the sober and self-critical tone.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/thejuicemedia/videos/324549878724905/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2471662]Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.[/QUOTE]That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.
As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.
Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then you immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.
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Some vaccines can also confuse the immune system because the injected cells are unnatural. So you get all these autoimmune diseases and hyper-responses from the immune system instead. Like a computer virus giving you error messages constantly. Something is wrong, so it sends out the soldiers. And too many, but they don't always find what they were sent out to fight.
And then there the hormonal implications of vaccines as well. Messing with hormonal balance in your body.
In other words, the human body is way way way more complicated for scientists of today to mess around with and inject cells that the body cannot ever completely cure. Because that is what a vaccine is.
It is like an injected Windows virus. Inserted only to give you these constant annoying error messages. But it doesn't do much more than that. But you have to click on the error box sometimes, or fight those blue screens.
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I guess what I am trying to say is:
Most people still use windows, but the pros try to avoid it, and stuck with Linux for years.
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Facts & Legends!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.[/QUOTE]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.[/QUOTE]As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then your immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.[/QUOTE]OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.
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To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.
This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?
I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know![/QUOTE]Fair enough!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!
As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.
OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.[/QUOTE]I'm glad someone pointed out the absurd assertions made in those posts. Google University has a way of producing internet doctors who gain some rudimentary familiarity about a subject matter but absolutely no understanding, so they well, get the beans stuck above the frank.
That being said, I'll go ahead and call bullshit on the phd on molecular medicine as even a 1st year medical student would know that live attenuated and whole cell vaccines are made from microbes whose pathogenicity has been removed. Mumps, measles, pertussis, varicella, etc.
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[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2472117]To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.
This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?
I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.[/QUOTE]While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.
Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.
After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.
But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.
I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.
If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.
Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know![/QUOTE]Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?
There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical[/URL]
So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.
What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.
On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/[/URL].
Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.
[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death[/URL]
What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.
I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.
On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died.[/QUOTE]Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.
What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.[/QUOTE]Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?[/QUOTE]You can perfectly study and have a career in bio-medicine without the support of pharma or Bill Gates, who I have never had the pleasure to meet.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical[/URL][/QUOTE]Pharma is not a perfect system and corruption is endemic in human society. However, things are not always black or white but they can also be grey. The development of pharmaceuticals and new medical technologies (CRISPR, etc.) would have never been possible without the funding of pharma. This is because governments around the world are now more interested in spending their resources in the military rather than in scientific research.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.[/QUOTE]We should never consider anything completely 'safe' but, as I explained is always a judgement of risk and benefits. There will always be side effects. Even when you take paracetamol you get side effects in the liver, which you may not sense at all. Even herbal teas can be toxic if the herbs are harvested in the wrong time of the year, where they produce toxins against seasonal parasites.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.[/QUOTE]These are two different issues, but we get track anyway by Google every time we drive or walk somewhere with google apps and nobody knows where that information is finally stored. Side effects of vaccines are usually mild, and we even breathe and swallow viral RNA every day we go outside, but this does not stop us from doing it.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/[/URL].
Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.
[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death[/URL][/QUOTE]Very good questions and I'd love to talk to you about past pandemics. The pandemic in the 1300 is estimated to have killed 35% of European population and came in different waves. Some people survived because they managed to build immunity and those genetic traits were passed on down to the subsequent generations and some others survived the following waves maybe because of the virus weakened and it only caused mild symptoms. This is what has happened with the Spanish flu. We still get infected with the Spanish flu, but most don't die from it anymore because the virus has weakened and it only causes flu-like symptoms.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.[/QUOTE]What alternative media do you follow and how do you know it is genuine? Is it because they tell you things you really want to hear? Everyone has a role in this world. I don't see the same animosity towards the aerospace industry, road safety, food safety, building safety etc. Those are also industries that have been running our lives to increase our life standards. Look up what the average life expectancy was at the beginning of 1900, or how many house fires occurred every day, or how many people got poisoned by food they were buying at the stores.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472331]I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.[/QUOTE]See above.
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Sex Work
Sex work will be possible next month.
[URL]https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2020-08/sexarbeit-berlin-senat-corona-krise-hygieneauflagen-prostitution[/URL]
[QUOTE=RickRock;2472241]While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.
Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.
After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.
But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.
I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.
If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.
Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.[/QUOTE]OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).
And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2472681]OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).
And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.[/QUOTE]Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.
CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2472427]Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.
Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.[/QUOTE]Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.
The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.
The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.
Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472820]Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.
The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.
The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.
Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness![/QUOTE]I m just amazed, even I take my own risks but I give true ID because I want to be informed if I m at risk, but I can t put my brain in my ass about around 40 thousands deaths in my country where we don t play lies, more than 150 thousands in US, Sweden without confined but with 560 deaths per million people when France have 450 for this rate, which is already much too much. More than 500 thousands deaths all over the world and not finished with virus still spreading, even in Western Europe when we have close to 40 degrees, when Barcelona is confined again, so, for my brain, Germany is right to try to protect their citizens when brothels are the riskiest places where only 1 girl can infect many guys who will infect relatives back at home, when virus still in Germany.
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EL: French government doesn't lie, are you so sure about it? Tchernobyl disaster just stopped on the borders, one of my very closed friend work in Ministere de la Sante, I can tell you that many deaths at home or in the EPHAD were not reported as linked with COVID. The social and economical situation in France is terrible, the government has to manage the spirit of the citizen by not telling the truth, the bad is just coming for a lot of European countries which were not able to stay competitive by strongly restructuring the public finances in the last decades. Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2472815]Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.
CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.[/QUOTE]I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.
When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472820]Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.
The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.
The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.
Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness![/QUOTE]I hope no one actually takes the comments in this post seriously. Just don't, for the sake of public health.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2472820]Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.
The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.
The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.
Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness![/QUOTE]What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2473030]Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.[/QUOTE]Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?
I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.
[URL]https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Masks-mandatory-outdoors-in-more-places-in-France-from-today-including-Mayenne-Lille-Nord-Nice[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2473162]What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.[/QUOTE]Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.
As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.
So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone.
Just because a handful of poor souls here don't have a life by spending their entire life on this forum, this doesn't mean that most other people want to have their FKK club visits tracked by the government!
Posting on a P6 site that you want a CV19 tracking app and a "vaccine," is like the turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
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By the way, the German forum I sometimes read has closed down any discussion about the future of FKK clubs. Talking about Normalcy Bias.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias[/URL]
Sure, stick your head in the sand and just ban all discussions and blindly follow what your government tells you, that will make all problems go away, because that has worked so well in the past during the Militarism under the Kaiser, during National Socialism under the Fuehrer, and under the Politburo fascists in the DDR! / sarc.
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Mask is to put on in France in crowded and public places and shops. Nobody ask me to put on mask when I climbed Iseran 2770 high yesterday or will Cormet Roseland today, but we don t want to have 2000 deaths like US yesterday, figure given by US university, 5 months after starting there.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2473065]I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.[/QUOTE]I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2473065]When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is promising but we are at the very beginning in understanding the real potential. Using this technology in humans is still not recommended and the Chinese researcher that tried to do it has been rightly put into a prison cell by the Chinese Government.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473299]Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are talking about the UK, in that case, yes I agree!
I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.
[URL]https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Masks-mandatory-outdoors-in-more-places-in-France-from-today-including-Mayenne-Lille-Nord-Nice[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473299]Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.
As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.
So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone..[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for you, mate, for being so angry at the world that you are prepared to give credit to the first facebook post that pops up in your page instead of listening to the experts, who have improved our lives massively over the last century. I don't even try to start replying to the massive disinformation you have cited in your post, because I feel your mind has been made up and There is nothing I can show you that can make an impact. You have been conned in believing that BS by people who think Trump has more medical knowledge than the Chief of the National Institute of Health: "Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen"!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473299]Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.
[/QUOTE]So disrespectful. It amazes me how people who know so little about a subject matter speak like they know so much.
What you're proposing would suggest that the world is out to get a certain political affiliation by not using HCQ and "wrongly" intubating patients. Guess what? American politics do not dictate medical standards of care throughout the entire world! No one during a pandemic gives a shit about your president and his ignorant base wishing into thin air that a medicine works. Dozens of published post intervention studies have repeated shown that HCQ didn't do jack diddly squat but you crazies keep breathing it back to life, wasting everyone's energy.
The arrogance in the Trump base who thinks the world revolves around their reality. HCQ is not used not because of political reasons or else it would have been a part of standards of care elsewhere in the world. People in Singapore, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc don't give a damn about American political micro-drama. Get over yourselves.
In conclusion, it don't work, we've tried.
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Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in certain cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.
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Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in some cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2473378]I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.[/QUOTE]Some metaphors just have obvious holes in them that can easily be framed in reverse. This is one such.
Pointing it out is always funny.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2473444]So disrespectful. It amazes me how people who know so little about a subject matter speak like they know so much.
What you're proposing would suggest that the world is out to get a certain political affiliation by not using HCQ and "wrongly" intubating patients. Guess what? American politics do not dictate medical standards of care throughout the entire world! No one during a pandemic gives a shit about your president and his ignorant base wishing into thin air that a medicine works. Dozens of published post intervention studies have repeated shown that HCQ didn't do jack diddly squat but you crazies keep breathing it back to life, wasting everyone's energy.
The arrogance in the Trump base who thinks the world revolves around their reality. HCQ is not used not because of political reasons or else it would have been a part of standards of care elsewhere in the world. People in Singapore, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc don't give a damn about American political micro-drama. Get over yourselves.
In conclusion, it don't work, we've tried.[/QUOTE]Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ[/URL].
But you'll probably call this "fake news" when something doesn't suit your agenda or narrative.
Back to what this site apparently is all about: P6! So what's your agenda or outlook regarding P6? Please also answer that question, instead of the usual emotional (and political) attacks, claiming "expertise" without any proof. It's easy to pretend you're an "expert" on an anonymous hooker forum, LOL!
Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in Germany, when people are tracked by compulsory government apps and are tracked if they have the latest version of the required "vaccine" because corona viruses will keep on mutating?
As I said before, perhaps a handful of desperate idiotic tourists will not mind to surrender their complete privacy, but the large majority of locals (which keeps FKK clubs operating) WILL mind and probably won't visit anymore. I doubt that a handful of foreign tourist mongers can keep a club the size of Sharks financially afloat, let alone financially sustain the hundreds of women who work in those clubs.
I'l ask you directly: do you want the end of freedom and the end of the FKK clubs?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473687]Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ[/URL].
But you'll probably call this "fake news" when something doesn't suit your agenda or narrative.
[/QUOTE]Do you also believe in flat earth, anti vax, and fake moon landings?
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2473630]I agree with Sirioja here.
How the hell can they be so optimistic when the virus is spreading wide again and Romania which is the 90 % provider is in 2nd or 3rd place every day in new cases in Europe?
I understand the girls who don't care much about the virus as long as they can make money but the visitors?[/QUOTE]I'm a visitor and I don't care at all. All I want is the FKKs to open again. Now I need to fly to other countries and buy escorts to my hotel. On the other hand it's nice because I can chill in the ocean and on the beach the whole days (Spain). My 3rd trip this summer to Spain is already planned in late August but I hope in September I can go to Artemis or even better the clubs in Hessen.
It's funny how many countries in the EU says 2nd wave is here (or atleast trying to slow the spread with more lockdowns). At the same time here in Sweden almost everything is normal, 1 of 1000 use facemask, bars & restaurants has been open the whole time etc. But the spread is "high" here according to other countries. Yes it's high compared to other countries but the fact is that many people have no symptoms at all. Right now there is 34 people with covid-19 in the intensive care, 34! The authorities even estimate that fewer people will die this year than in previous years if it continues like this.
I fully understand that it may be worse for older people (60+?) but open the clubs for all under the age of 60? But then Sylvana Sharks / GT can not work LOL.
Well, I really hope Artemis will open in September.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473687]It's easy to pretend you're an "expert" on an anonymous hooker forum, LOL!
Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in
Germany.
I'l ask you directly: do you want the end of freedom and the end of the FKK clubs?[/QUOTE]I know he doesn't need my help but I will speak to a couple of your points. First, I met Mursenary in person about the same time my father fell ill. He told me that my father would die from respiratory complications brought on by his illness. Almost two years later my father died exactly how I was advised it would happen. I tend to believe he has a bit of education in the medical field. For sure more than the average COVID experts on this thread.
Concerning P6 in Germany and FKKs, it will survive. The current sharp ideas will dull with time. 6 Sens is full of ladies who live in Germany and travel across the border and men who live in Germany and travel. Escort business is currently on a high. All the paranoia about being tracked doesn't matter when a nice lady is waiting to suck your dick. People will find ways. What information did you have to give to join this site. Given legal authorization I could trach the source IP address you are posting from, From that I could identify your service provider, crack an ARP table and see your device name. From that I could track other sites you visit, etc, etc. This site doesn't make you anonymous and the countries could easily employ facial recognition on the traffic cams near the clubs to track you if they wanted. So, P6 and FKK in Germany will survive above or below the legal line.
Me personally, I showed my ID at two or three clubs annually to get my free birthday entry, and the bar staff even played happy birthday for me at midnight 01 on my birthday. I don't know about Mursenary but I enjoyed the hell out of that night.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473687]Again, how do you imagine the future of P6 in general and in particular for FKK clubs in Germany, when people are tracked by compulsory government apps and are tracked if they have the latest version of the required "vaccine" because corona viruses will keep on mutating?[/QUOTE]Fuck those apps! Until we have them, I doubt they will pass privacy laws. However, it strikes me as quite scary how so many people are willingly installing them themselves. Then again, I have seen a few mongers, and even FKK girls forgetting to turn off Facebook tracking. So there is that too.
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[QUOTE=Kippen;2473762]I'm a visitor and I don't care at all. All I want is the FKKs to open again. Now I need to fly to other countries and buy escorts to my hotel. On the other hand it's nice because I can chill in the ocean and on the beach the whole days (Spain). My 3rd trip this summer to Spain is already planned in late August but I hope in September I can go to Artemis or even better the clubs in Hessen.
It's funny how many countries in the EU says 2nd wave is here (or atleast trying to slow the spread with more lockdowns). At the same time here in Sweden almost everything is normal, 1 of 1000 use facemask, bars & restaurants has been open the whole time etc. But the spread is "high" here according to other countries. Yes it's high compared to other countries but the fact is that many people have no symptoms at all. Right now there is 34 people with covid-19 in the intensive care, 34! The authorities even estimate that fewer people will die this year than in previous years if it continues like this.
I fully understand that it may be worse for older people (60+?) but open the clubs for all under the age of 60? But then Sylvana Sharks / GT can not work LOL.
Well, I really hope Artemis will open in September.[/QUOTE]Sweden followed a completely different model against virus than all European countries so there cannot be comparison. Here in Italy things are still risky like all other countries. Remember we will be talking about girls who took cum in their mouth from 10 different men and different nationalities (likely) before you kiss and fuck them.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2473687]Here's an interesting video of a nurse who describes the chaos in a New York City hospital, how they were financially pressured to intubate as many patients (poor blacks and latinos) as possible and how other treatment methods (HCQ) are sabotaged and torpedoed by hospital management: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ[/URL]. [/QUOTE]Ahhh you have a video on YouTube as evidence. That's great! That is the highest level of scientific evidence because they do not just let anyone post a video there. Only those that know the 'Truth' can!
Hey, if you or any member of your family has been diagnosed with cancer, please show them this video from YouTube on how to cure cancer with herbal extracts and homeopathy: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M[/URL] . It's is I=on YouTube, so it must be true and we can tell Big Pharma to fuck off!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2473499]Some metaphors just have obvious holes in them that can easily be framed in reverse. This is one such.
Pointing it out is always funny.[/QUOTE]OK, good answer, I must admit!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2473727]Do you also believe in flat earth, anti vax, and fake moon landings?[/QUOTE]Not really following your discussion here, but did you know that flat earth was an idea made by a pr company in order to ridicule and make fun of critics of msm? In the same way another pr firm also invented the idea of what we now call conspiracy theories.
Most people have absolutely no idea how they are being programmed by the society all around them.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2473839]Sweden followed a completely different model against virus than all European countries so there cannot be comparison. Here in Italy things are still risky like all other countries. Remember we will be talking about girls who took cum in their mouth from 10 different men and different nationalities (likely) before you kiss and fuck them.[/QUOTE]But very high deaths rate, 540/ million in Sweden with Stockholm as one of the worst capital in the World for deaths rate. I look forward to arrive in Dolomiti on this week, no risk in Stelvio or Mortirolo or Zoncolan, virus is not able to climb.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2473788]I know he doesn't need my help but I will speak to a couple of your points. First, I met Mursenary in person about the same time my father fell ill. He told me that my father would die from respiratory complications brought on by his illness. Almost two years later my father died exactly how I was advised it would happen. I tend to believe he has a bit of education in the medical field. For sure more than the average COVID experts on this thread.
Concerning P6 in Germany and FKKs, it will survive. The current sharp ideas will dull with time. 6 Sens is full of ladies who live in Germany and travel across the border and men who live in Germany and travel. Escort business is currently on a high. All the paranoia about being tracked doesn't matter when a nice lady is waiting to suck your dick. People will find ways. What information did you have to give to join this site. Given legal authorization I could trach the source IP address you are posting from, From that I could identify your service provider, crack an ARP table and see your device name. From that I could track other sites you visit, etc, etc. This site doesn't make you anonymous and the countries could easily employ facial recognition on the traffic cams near the clubs to track you if they wanted. So, P6 and FKK in Germany will survive above or below the legal line.
Me personally, I showed my ID at two or three clubs annually to get my free birthday entry, and the bar staff even played happy birthday for me at midnight 01 on my birthday. I don't know about Mursenary but I enjoyed the hell out of that night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout out.
I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.
I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2473977]Thanks for the shout out.
I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.
I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.[/QUOTE]More of a privacy breach issue. If that is of concern to you. For example, if you are a married guy or have other personal and family issues then you may want to keep your mongering life private and hidden. Or from an employer / business pov.
But yes, I don't mind showing my ID at the front desk of a fuck club. I don't have any reason to think that info will somehow leak to other people from who I want to keep my mongering activities hidden. In general, this part of my life is known to no one else.
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EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.
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Oh great!
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2474066]EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.[/QUOTE]Great! Now that you've had your fun and sated your appetite, anybody who remains is fucking nothing but washed up, fucked out girls in the P6 scene. Reminds me of guys who spend years mongering only to "find Jesus", and end up telling everybody else they should stop now and not have any fun with the tutes. After they themselves did just that for years.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2474159]Great! Now that you've had your fun and sated your appetite, anybody who remains is fucking nothing but washed up, fucked out girls in the P6 scene. Reminds me of guys who spend years mongering only to "find Jesus", and end up telling everybody else they should stop now and not have any fun with the tutes. After they themselves did just that for years.[/QUOTE]Don't believe nor follow all what is written. Better to see guys to understand about writings.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2474066]EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.[/QUOTE]If you get a non washed up normal girl with no attitude that is hotter than FKK girls I say go for it, settle down. I have not been so lucky yet.
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EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2474744]EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.[/QUOTE]It is possible. But mainly on the first day after she has been on vacation. And pretty much only then.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2475032]It is possible. But mainly on the first day after she has been on vacation. And pretty much only then.[/QUOTE]Not only, and I'm not the only one to be able to experience, with real facts for proof, but of course they do this job for our money, not to get orgasms, but some get and even return to get again, daily or weekly, just matter of behavior and skill and what we look for in sexuality, but we are all different as say girls. What we are make what we get.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2474744]EL: I don't care about hot girls all this is bullshit, prostitute play their rule nothing more, all those guys proud to make the girl come, all is fake if not just go to those girls and tell them today you have no money for sure she will not go in the room even for a great orgasms.[/QUOTE]Tell any non pro girl that you have no money and see what happens.
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Non-pros
[QUOTE=Turgid;2475197]Tell any non pro girl that you have no money and see what happens.[/QUOTE]Oh, there are still some non-pro women who will take you. They will say stuff like, "I will take care of you". I had a non-pro actually tell me that one time. Well, I'm not the kind of man who wants or needs to be "taken care of" by anybody. I do for myself. Laundry, vacuum, and everything haha! Now, all that said, still what an American non-pro is more likely to tell you is, "If you want to be with me? Then you got to have a job, a car, and an apartment or a house"! LOLOLOL! And it takes some money to have those things.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbWVXmLlfg[/URL]
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Is it really all that different?
Between pros and non-pros? Listen to this, especially starting at the 1:54 mark LOL!
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2-mrsXgMM[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2474066]EL: I not married or in relation, so I am happy to give all my data, so many guys visiting prostitutes are married or have a GF and are just not able to be clear in their life, when you are happy in your relation there is no reason to visit prostitutes. I am far more afraid to get sick, this is my concern, I consider visiting a FKK or escort. Is at high risk and I don t want to get this sick even I am confident that probably I will survive just because I am fit, no smoking, drinking few, practicing sport. But I don t want to deal with fever. Ant on top of that I am bored to visit prostitutes knowing that it is easy to fuck, you just have to pay, now I am more in dating normal girls and trying to get what I am looking for, it is far more exciting for me and also the sex if any so much better than with those over washed and fucked girls in the P6 scene.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like you're ISO the elusive civi unicorn. Hope you're not stuck in the American hellhole partner, cause that's a lost cause these days. So many bros going MGTOW and opting to play with the 304's instead. Of course, wishing you the best of luck wherever you are.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2475216]Between pros and non-pros? Listen to this, especially starting at the 1:54 mark LOL!
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2-mrsXgMM[/URL][/QUOTE]That was hilarious.
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Just listen to Jordan Peterson too, and read between the lines of what he is saying regarding what makes women happy. And you will understand that it is being paid for sex.
Now most societies of today are trying to program women into not wanting to take money in exchange for money. But our human nature passed onto us from thousands of years ago speaks otherwise. And our basic human instincts are telling women to sell sex for money.
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It all relates back to the discussion regarding polygamy. Which we inherently are. While trying to stay monogamous. But the real reason for monogamy seems to have originally been the upbringing of a child.
So in other words, when there are no children involved, polygamy should be our natural ways. Unless we want to fight with nature. Something which cannot be mentally a smart thing to do. No matter what some greater overarching societal structure tries to tell you.
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I suppose the only thing might be that human nature does not tell anyone to have sex 10 times a day.
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EL: thanks for your best wishes, I am in Europe just next to Golden Time Vienna, I was married for 25 years, but never went to other girls, after 10 years of crazy mongering (probably trying to win back the lost time) and now since 2017 in a very relax approach about P6 or woman in general. So happy to being able to more or less quit my sex addiction and being able to build a far better personal life than driving from one FKK to another or from one prostitutes to another.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2475312]polygamy should be our natural ways. Unless we want to fight with nature. Something which cannot be mentally a smart thing to do. No matter what some greater overarching societal structure tries to tell you.[/QUOTE]Shelter, medicine, laws against murder, evolution in general. Fighting with nature seems to have worked out pretty well so far.
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[QUOTE=DenHaag;2475601]Sounds like the same words as Sirioja. Hmmmm?[/QUOTE]The English is clearly better!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2475521]Shelter, medicine, laws against murder, evolution in general. Fighting with nature seems to have worked out pretty well so far.[/QUOTE]But that was not what I ment.
I meant fighting with our own nature. Our own biology.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2475730]But that was not what I ment.
I meant fighting with our own nature. Our own biology.[/QUOTE]Re: Medicine. Fighting the biology of aging and dying.
Re: Exploration. Fighting natural complacency for the safety of home to explore a bigger world and discover new fruitful lands.
Re: Monogamy and family. Fighting the urge to fuck fuck fuck so you can concentrate on protecting a family unit to ensure the survival of progeny and thus your genetics, I. E. The purpose of life.
Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.
Fighting the biology and nature of your reptilian brain and listening to the biology that is your cerebral cortex has worked out pretty well for human kind.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2475492]EL: thanks for your best wishes, I am in Europe just next to Golden Time Vienna, I was married for 25 years, but never went to other girls, after 10 years of crazy mongering (probably trying to win back the lost time) and now since 2017 in a very relax approach about P6 or woman in general. So happy to being able to more or less quit my sex addiction and being able to build a far better personal life than driving from one FKK to another or from one prostitutes to another.[/QUOTE]Your story is very interesting and thanks for sharing it. So I guess after 25 years with same woman you went crazy when you finally had your 'freedom' and wanted to fuck as many as possible to get back the lost time. I can't see how you had sex addiction though when you were all the time with the same woman!
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Sex Addiction
What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.
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EL: I think that you are a clever guy, for me a addiction is when the things are getting out of control, so many times I met guys in FKK and they told me that they had 7 or 8 or more session in one day, I ask them were you able to come each time, do you remember the girl. And the answer was no, for me it is the beginning of an addiction. There is no reason to pay a prostitute if you are not able to come, better you stay home, the same for viagra if you need to fuck a prostitute better to stay home. Take it easy guys.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2475813]What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.[/QUOTE]Food addiction: It depends on portion size and what you are eating. There are people out there who eat for "comfort" or to relieve stress, even when they are not hungry, to the point that it adversely impacts their physical health. Every human loves delicious foods but some humans receive a "drug" like response when they eat these foods:
[QUOTE]"The idea that a person can be addicted to food has recently gained increasing support. That comes from brain imaging and other studies of the effects of compulsive overeating on pleasure centers in the brain.
Experiments in animals and humans show that, for some people, the same reward and pleasure centers of the brain that are triggered by addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are also activated by food, especially highly palatable foods."
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/binge-eating-disorder/mental-health-food-addiction#1.[/QUOTE]I believe you have written that you are 60+ and still able to fuck, so my guess is that you are not morbidly obese and as such do not suffer from food addiction. The Hawaiian singer, Israel Kamakawiwoole, weighed 757 pounds (343 kg; 54st 1 lb) died at age 38. The doctors and his family begged him to diet. He made a few half-hearted attempts but always gained the weight back. Several of his family members died from obesity. We can conclude that he knew he was harming himself and that he would die prematurely, but he was unable to change his behavior. Food outweighed everything else (career, fame, wealth, his ability to have sex, his mission to share his culture with the world, watching his daughter grow old).
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2475799]Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.[/QUOTE]I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2475874]I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.[/QUOTE]Well when we are talking about principles of evolution, whether genetic, population, or societal, it's a matter of probability. Yes there are cases of tribal child rearing, but the family unit has emerged as the most advantageous and thus dominant practice. Against the OP's original point, monogamy has emerged in defiance of our biology to fuck everything visually appealing in sight because the family unit is more advantageous to ensure the survival and proper social development of a comparatively (compared to other organisms) helpless and pathetic human youngling.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2475874] wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.[/QUOTE]The Mormans are one example of this. As I understand it started with the custom of a man taking on the wife and children of his fallen brother and progressed from there. The wagon trains and western settlements were seen as no place for a single woman.
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[URL]https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/features/is-sex-addiction-real[/URL]
Webmd is not clear Re: whether sex addiction is even a true addiction, as a substance addiction would be, for example. But they say it is not about excessive consumption of sex, but concerns risky behaviors related to sex. For example, most of us probably agree that rape perpetrators would be considered sexual deviants, or perhaps they are just deviants and not about sex at all. Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person).
Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.
But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy. So, Bottomline, if someone passes judgement on me that I am sex addicted, I will not get defensive but also I don't think that is quite accurate. But everyone is entitled to their own view.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2475799]Re: Medicine. Fighting the biology of aging and dying.
Re: Exploration. Fighting natural complacency for the safety of home to explore a bigger world and discover new fruitful lands.
Re: Monogamy and family. Fighting the urge to fuck fuck fuck so you can concentrate on protecting a family unit to ensure the survival of progeny and thus your genetics, I. E. The purpose of life.
Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.
Fighting the biology and nature of your reptilian brain and listening to the biology that is your cerebral cortex has worked out pretty well for human kind.[/QUOTE]1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.
2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.
3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.
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When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.
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When mongering becomes your only hobby and you start to fantasize about things that never happened yes it's an addiction.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2475813]What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.[/QUOTE]Just ask your doctor what is addiction which is a disease, suffering from not controlling what we do and falling in problems, like casino players who think they will win, but take bank credit, play their car, flat and lose all and their wife and children. Nothing about going everyday to get pleasure as long we can afford with own money and have pleasure and not suffering from. Many here use words without knowing meaning, because they can t afford, so they are frustrated, when I know some guys are in clubs every day, sometimes making 3 Swiss clubs on day, booking girls at Globe for many hours for more than 1500 CHF, or at GT Bruggen, booking girls for the day for more than 1000 €. I will never do this because I pay only time for sex, not to drink, nor smoke, nor gossip, nor listen to music, nor watch film, and I m really not a fast rabbit cheap guy when I sometimes take care of the girl for more than 1 hour before she takes care of me, or fucking. I m not jealous about others who visit more often or have more money than me, because I know what I look for and I only focus on my game, hard job to find nice elegant beauties for me. But at least I know the real meaning of addiction, not meaning from frustration built in clubs. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2475874]I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.[/QUOTE]If the sex ratio remains 50/50, polygamy just implies that while some guys have more wives and more women to fuck, some others have none.
I take it that in violent times the number of men may decline, and gender ratio skews in favor or women in which case, there would be more demand for the sperm. But on an ongoing basis, I have seen no evidence that men / women ratio was permanently and massively deviated from roughly 50/50.
In today's western societies, women outlive men and ratio may not be 50/50 exactly, but in several 3rd world countries, the ratio is skewed in favor of men because men eat better while the women are malnourished. Also, in some countries, girls are aborted when they find the sex of the fetus.
As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.
This is the same issue I have with all the postings here in which mongers dream of a society in which they can fuck around as they please and no one-to-one relationship exists. That sounds great on the paper and in your mind, but men would want to monopolize and each man wants more women to himself. Every king had a harem of thousands of women and they were guarded by eunuchs. And that is not conducive for the growth of any society.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2476052]1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.
2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.
3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.[/QUOTE]1. Fair. But still, leaving the comforts of home to fight the dangers of nature worked out pretty well. As such, is contradictory to your original point.
2. Wrong when analyzing with any depth. There are not receptors that are dulled out when with a specific partner. We don't have receptors for specific people. Perhaps if you had said less oxytocin is released over time due to less excitatory stimulation from the same partner, sure. But again, despite that, we fight the urge of natural biology and stay monogamous to maintain a family unit and thus stability. That again is fighting biology and nature which has worked out pretty good for stability of child rearing and thus survival.
3. Also wrong on so many levels. Most medicines are synthesized via the processes of organic chemistry. Some exceptions like antibiotics are cultured but that process also involves synthetic mediums with synthetic nutrients. Plus medicine also covers things like invasive surgery, mechanical ventilation, cardiovascular bypass, and dialysis and filtration. All unnatural attempts to fight nature and biology.
I see no credence to your point that fighting biology and nature, in this case polygamy, which is perhaps natural, to be a "not a smart" thing to do. In fact, almost always, fighting nature has led to progress and stability with perhaps some temporary instability such as wars. That's a pretty basic concept of human behavioral evolution.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2476116]As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree that most men would not be as affectionate towards someone else's children as they would be towards their own. However, Mursenary originally used the world "survival", so I took that literally and formulated my response accordingly. Provided she is fed and clothed, the red-headed stepdaughter will probably survive into adulthood, (she just might grow up to become a WG). I was told once that in ancient times, in Polynesia, LBGT stayed behind to care for the tribe's children. Essentially caring for the "next generation" while warriors were away fighting became their "patriotic" duty.
My original point to Mursenary, is that even if the birth father and birth mother were monogamous, what would be the chances that both parents would be alive to see the child's tenth birthday? What are the chances that the mother would survive childbirth or be able to give birth to a second baby? What would be the chances that the child would make it to their tenth birthday? So if I were a tribal chief, I might tell my strongest warrior to drop seed in ten different women, and hope that one of those ten sperm deposits will yield a healthy warrior in 16 years time. Because for all I know, my strongest warrior could be killed in his very next battle. If a child becomes an orphan at age two, the tribe might abandon the orphan regardless of how committed the birth father or birth mother were. If a child were orphaned at age 6-7, then that child only needs to be the tribe's burden for 1-2 years before they are able to contribute back to the tribe. So in that sense, it makes sense for the tribe to pitch in and raise him / her together.
Romania in the 1970's and 1980's serves as an example where the ruling class incentivized families to have babies, and pushed for the babies to be raised by the "tribe" aka state run orphanage. Obviously, many of these children were neglected, but they survived.
[QUOTE]"Romanias large number of orphans were the result of a devastating combination of factors. The first was state-directed social engineering aimed at generating human capital. When Ceausescu took power in 1965, Romania had a declining birth rate and one of the highest rates of abortions and divorce in eastern Europe. In the name of procreation, the new leader instituted a number of radical policies: banning abortion, restricting divorce, instituting a childlessness tax and providing financial incentives for working mothers. He lowered the marriage age to 15 and awarded mothers medals based on the number of children they had. Perhaps the most extreme measure was the menstrual police: an army of gynaecologists who would enter schools and workplaces, investigating non-pregnant women and miscarriages.
The increased birth rate was coupled with the sentiment that the state could do a better job than the parent when it came to raising children. The government employed health professionals tasked with encouraging parents to relinquish their children. Serving the communist rationale of separating productive and non-productive members of society, the move derailed the family as a cohesive unit. The belief in the primacy of state-run institutions was paired with a dire economic climate which left many parents with little means to look after their children."
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/inside-the-iron-curtain%E2%80%99s-orphanages/5543388.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476095]When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.[/QUOTE]Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway. You did mention that you continue to monger amid the pandemic. If mongering is illegal in your country or you are 60+ and living in an CV-19 epicenter, those might be considered risky behaviors.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2475989]Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.
But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy.[/QUOTE]You do mention being married. If your net worth is considerably higher than your wife's and you have no prenuptial than perhaps continued mongering might be considered a risky behavior. That said, whether it is evading law enforcement or mongering behind your wife's back, there are ways to mitigate the risks down to almost zero.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2475989] Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person).[/QUOTE]"Feminist" would be the worst insult by a significant margin. A distant second on that list might be "sheep" or "brainwashed by society" or some variation thereof. Slight tangent, but I did not realize how rampant conspiracy theorists are in France, only 18 percent of French dismiss conspiracy theorists as "crackpots". USA is at 32 percent. Germany at 53 percent. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/[/URL]#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2476083]It is not so much the size. But statistically speaking, shorter girls tend to be more feminine. While taller girls seems to have more testosterone in them and are more masculine. And I'm not gay.[/QUOTE]It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious, Trump level even. Testosterone does not increase height, Growth Hormone and other growth factors are the major players in longitudinal bone growth. In fact, high levels of testosterone actually stunts lengthening of bones because testosterone down regulated sex hormone stimulating gonadotropins and also aromatizes to estrogen which prematurely seals the epiphyseal growth plates, stopping longitudinal growth. That is one reason why women are shorter, higher estrogen stunts bone lengthening earlier. Assuming a normally functioning sex hormone feedback axis, a woman with high testosterone would thus also have higher estrogen, thus stunting their height.
To curb becoming so tall, the Dutch have even previously used testosterone injection therapy to STUNT height!
For a more thorough discussion of hormones and height interplay, see link below:
[URL]https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/19/5/540/2530797[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476115]J. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.[/QUOTE]The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476358]The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.[/QUOTE]When a woman loves you, when you are able to give her pleasure, if you are not able, then you are boring sex for her, then she will do everything for you and even for sex. I refused many times what they wanted to do for me, when they thought I would like, but I preferred to have a princess image, than being sucked, swallowed or anal. With my last girlfriend, only same position for 5 years, but the best to see her eyes, smile and kissing. Most of guys are not able, but best pleasure is in mind, not little death, better to try to stay as long as girl can have stamina, just on the edge. We can experience about same with some girls and what I prefer is how they improve with me, like Anna Wellcum on repeating, after really average discovery, on this week end. My best FKK girl worked since 3 weeks at LR which was told to be high level for sex club, but she was so low level for sex on our discovery, but she improved so much with me, always choosing me first, everybody and staff knew at LR, staff even telling me about her 1 year after I stopped with her, when I came for another weekly regular, but she always improved for me and the only one I never felt I touched the limit, she was always able to adapt and do more, even in brothels. 80 hours together in 6 months she worked before I stopped and she was so angry, pleasure make repeating, when I didn't think to repeat at the end of discovery and same with Anna on Thursday evening, but real enjoyment to experience her improvement when we went to room at 00.30 am, she was very busy whole Saturday and I didn't think to repeat, but very welcoming, she was tired but no rush in room, take all your time, Wellcum close at 1 am, we finished at 1.30 am and club was closed with all lights on. We get from what we are, in real life and in brothels.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476358]The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.[/QUOTE]Every girlfriend I have had would have liked me to do dirty things to her. I, however, don't like doing to girlfriends what I do to hot hookers because after the act I don't see the hookers again but I spend lots of non-sex time with the girlfriend and will be somewhat spooked by the thought that she is thinking of all the nasty things that I would have done to her. Nevertheless, I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2476279]Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway................ [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/[/URL]#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.[/QUOTE]Alcohol is bad for your health, is drinking alcohol a risky behavior? If so then that's a lot of addicts. If the person watching porn at the office does so in an environment in which he would never be caught, is it risky behavior? Is he an addict? What is the percentage of income one must spend on prostitutes before one is considered an addict? 25%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%? What if one is a billionaire? It is obvious that there is no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes a sex addict and it is very difficult to accurately place that label on anyone.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2476242]Yes, I agree that most men would not be as affectionate towards someone else's children as they would be towards their own. However, Mursenary originally used the world "survival", so I took that literally and formulated my response accordingly. Provided she is fed and clothed, the red-headed stepdaughter will probably survive into adulthood, (she just might grow up to become a WG). I was told once that in ancient times, in Polynesia, LBGT stayed behind to care for the tribe's children. Essentially caring for the "next generation" while warriors were away fighting became their "patriotic" duty.
My original point to Mursenary, is that even if the birth father and birth mother were monogamous, what would be the chances that both parents would be alive to see the child's tenth birthday? What are the chances that the mother would survive childbirth or be able to give birth to a second baby? What would be the chances that the child would make it to their tenth birthday? So if I were a tribal chief, I might tell my strongest warrior to drop seed in ten different women, and hope that one of those ten sperm deposits will yield a healthy warrior in 16 years time. Because for all I know, my strongest warrior could be killed in his very next battle. If a child becomes an orphan at age two, the tribe might abandon the orphan regardless of how committed the birth father or birth mother were. If a child were orphaned at age 6-7, then that child only needs to be the tribe's burden for 1-2 years before they are able to contribute back to the tribe. So in that sense, it makes sense for the tribe to pitch in and raise him / her together..[/QUOTE]In evolutionary terms, survival of progeny extends beyond one generation (F1). Second (F2) and third (F3) generation of progeny not raised in a stable environment may see less and less probability of extending that genetic passage. If the 2nd generation survives but is a broken human, the chance of passing on their genes is greatly diminished compared to one raised in a stable family unit.
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EL: I think that you are wrong, of course alcohol and nicotine are just a legal drug with a lot of people addict to it and killing millions of people every year. Easy to know if you are addict to FKK or prostitutes just don't go for at least 1 year. If you can t you are addict.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2476279]Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway. You did mention that you continue to monger amid the pandemic. If mongering is illegal in your country or you are 60+ and living in an CV-19 epicenter, those might be considered risky behaviors.
You do mention being married. If your net worth is considerably higher than your wife's and you have no prenuptial than perhaps continued mongering might be considered a risky behavior. That said, whether it is evading law enforcement or mongering behind your wife's back, there are ways to mitigate the risks down to almost zero.
"Feminist" would be the worst insult by a significant margin. A distant second on that list might be "sheep" or "brainwashed by society" or some variation thereof. Slight tangent, but I did not realize how rampant conspiracy theorists are in France, only 18 percent of French dismiss conspiracy theorists as "crackpots". USA is at 32 percent. Germany at 53 percent. [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/[/URL]#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of judgements in that WebMD article, which I assumed would be disputed by members on this board. I think WebMD is a reputable source on health matters. But as the article says, they are not even sure if they would classify sex addiction as an addiction and they admit it will not be included in DSM-5. They also say it is not about sex, as they say food addiction is not about food etc. So, what is it? Is it an excessive consumption of it? Is it multiple partners? I mean, if a young fella is married and fucks his wife 2 or 3 times a day and another person abstains for 9 months a year and has sex with FKK girls which he visits for say, 90 days a year, they might have sex approx equal number of times, but very likely that the latter is branded a sex addict by society. Likewise, if a star athlete in his 20's has a debonair life and plays the field, he would be envied and called a society playboy but a late mid aged man with 3 kids and a wife and middle class income fucking a tute once a week would be called a deviant.
In the article, they note sex addiction is characterized by other characteristics such as stress, anxiety, depression, shame. So, if I am a frequent monger but do not have any of those attendant feelings, I am not an addict, but if a guy with some underlying issues suddenly discovers mongering, starts seeing WGs a few times a month, and his feelings of anxiety and depression / shame get worse over time, would he be branded / diagnosed as a sex addict?
It seems to me that they don't yet have any formal way to define sex addiction and have to point to behaviors that they think are the result of underlying addiction issue. Such as porn watching, mongering, etc.
I suspect the reason they claim mongering is an addicted behavior not necessarily because it drains half your networth. I mean, if Robert Kraft hired 10 prostitutes a day, 24/7/365, even at Evita rates, he would not dent his networth by 1%. Someone with smaller balance sheet would be bankrupt if he hired even one tute at such rates. Is the diagnosis of sexual addiction dependent on one's balance sheet?
So, I feel this is still one of those emerging fields. I kinda converge on the opening paragraphs. My view is that people with underlying psychological disorders, be it anxiety / depression / something else, may have those manifest in the form of "sex addiction", or the behaviors enunciated in the article. However, the true disorder already exists and perhaps the risky behaviors become more extreme over time due to the progression of underlying psychological disorders.
Not to disclose too much about myself, but my wife makes almost as much as I do. In my case, the risk is not just to the balance sheet, but to the shame / embarrassment / family break-up / leaking of this news to extended family beyond just wife / kids, potential divorce being emotionally and otherwise painful, and impact on work life. I think the reason the Webmd authors categorize the "risky behaviors" as addiction is because the damage is manifold and not just limited to a financial amount.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2476446]EL: I think that you are wrong, of course alcohol and nicotine are just a legal drug with a lot of people addict to it and killing millions of people every year. Easy to know if you are addict to FKK or prostitutes just don't go for at least 1 year. If you can t you are addict.[/QUOTE]Well I easily pass this test. I'm not an addict! Yay! LOLOLOL!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2476290]It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious.[/QUOTE]So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476407] What is the percentage of income one must spend on prostitutes before one is considered an addict? 25%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%? What if one is a billionaire? It is obvious that there is no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes a sex addict and it is very difficult to accurately place that label on anyone.[/QUOTE]I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2476451]I think the reason the Webmd authors categorize the "risky behaviors" as addiction is because the damage is manifold and not just limited to a financial amount.[/QUOTE]Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2476475]So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.[/QUOTE]You're right. It's a personal character flaw, LOL.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2476511]I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.
Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.[/QUOTE]W. R. T. Your second paragraph, I thought we were discussing risky behavior as a manifestation of underlying sex addiction, in the eyes of webmd or perhaps addiction psychiatrists (if they subscribe to the views of Webmd). I am not not saying those are my views nor did I say x or why is a risky behavior. What type of risk one is willing to take is completely up to that person. Far be it from me to even characterize some other guy's actions and behavior as risky.
But yes, risk is also specific to that individual as you say. Using hookers was not a risk to Kraft in terms of financial risk but was a massive hit reputationally. For a retired male porn actor, if he is not getting any action of late in his private life and visits hookers or fkks, there is zero reputation risk to getting caught, the risk is purely financial (or health, if he is unlucky).
Gino, who is not writing here anymore for a few months, called me a hypocrite a while ago because I am married and using hookers and he claimed he has visited FKKs with his work boss and co workers and challenged me to do the same. I don't know what type of work he does. In my case, visiting any of these clubs with anyone from my work place is a total no no. This part of my life is absolutely sealed. I would have as much chance of visiting these clubs with a boss or co worker as I would have of visiting with my spouse. But then again, I do see guys visiting FKKs with their wives (I think they are wives; didn't ask them) occasionally. So, yeah, everyone is different.
BTW, you are right about married guys and privacy in your first paragraph, at least for me. I bit $ch and complain that America is a sex prison but if magically there was a big Artemis in my home city, would I visit it? Very unlikely. So yes, I can see some married guys preferring private apartments to FKKs out of necessity, even if they wished they could be inside the FKKs.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2476511]I never said that there is a hard, fast rule. The article mentioned 50 percent, but I do not believe even the author meant that to be a hard or fast rule. The author seemed to center their discussion on risky behavior. Pessimist discusses this, stating that is not just the financial risk, but also the social risks. I have expressed similar opinions in the past when stating that many local, married men prefer discrete mongering option, so not FKK clubs but private apartments.
Everybody's life circumstances are different. If you have been told you only have six months to live having a bareback gangbang and sharing needles with a few homeless WGs probably isn't that risky of a behavior. For most people, it would be. Visiting a FKK once a week, for most normal guys is not risky behavior. But for some men, visiting a FKK even once, would be considered risky behavior. For example, since BLM has been in the news, let's use Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as an example. If either were caught leaving an FKK club, they would stand to lose a lot more than their wealth. Their careers and legacies would be ruined by the judgemental "feminists and impotent males". Both being religious men, they are held to a higher standard. They would lose all their followers. Family and friends would turn their back on them. For other high profile celebrities, like musician Justin Bieber, getting caught leaving a brothel was not risk to his career.[/QUOTE]Justin Bieber, a musician? I didn't hear. Herbie Hancock, Stevie Wonder, Stanley Clarke, Steve Lukather, David Paich, play music. Addiction is when you can't control even when you are falling in problems, not when you can afford to get pleasure everyday, when you don't have other passions like some real sports, working to prepare your cars, to do before because more enjoyable for you, then this is only jealousy and frustration for some who can't afford, when they would like to go as often but can't. Just what I read here and some French are the worst jealous, but when they are in club, we can see girls with them. Really no need for jealousy, I don't need to be jealous for these girls.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2473977]I never really understood why people are worried about being "tracked. " I mean, is anyone here all that important as to worry about a third party looking into your business? The way I see it, the only people needing to worry are public figures and criminals.
I'm just a normal dude and the only effect that being tracked or monitored has on me is annoying targeted advertisements on my phone. No institution cares about my mongering habits or my movements. I'm not making frequent 6 figure transactions as to be scrutinized by tax or criminal investigation authorities. Not sure why all of the average paranoid conspiracy theorist would think that their information is all that important either.[/QUOTE]I felt compelled to add my two cents here to hopefully help you understand. Pessimist has given you a valid reason, but, to many people, that is not even the main point. I think you are missing the root of the argument here. Why would you give up or give away something that is so private to you for free EVEN IF it's something benign, insignificant, unimportant, or no concern to you? Why would you want to be used? You aren't offended that people use you? Arguments like "I'm not important to be worried about being tracked", "only criminals worry about that", "it is not like I'm hiding something", or "no one cares about what I do" are NOT the point. I heard this kind of imbecile reasoning so many times. Good grief! Why would one be dumb enough, stupid enough, and idiotic enough to give away his personal bio data for nothing. Why?
That is the central point of the private data debate that so many people don't seem to understand. Keep in mind that whatever personal info you gave may not be useful now. Who is to say it may not become useful few years down the road. Who knows! This is not about worrying about being tracked. It's more about why would one be so gullible to give away his private data without being compensated for it. Privacy has a price. It's not f**king free.
To give you a relatable example, I've visited many clubs as many of you have done. If I was asked to present my passport at the front desk, my instinctive response would be "why?" even though I probably wouldn't mind if given a valid reason. After all, I was not hiding anything or committing a crime. Right? That's what you would argue. Correct? THAT IS NOT THE F**KING POINT! In my head, I probably think something like "it's none of your business". If they insist on seeing my identification without a legitimate reason, I would show my passport (without handling it over) to tell them that if there were a police raid, I would have a passport ready. That's pretty much how far I would go. Fortunately, that never happened. No club has ever asked my passport as a condition to enter the clubs. HOWEVER, HERE IS THE POINT. As many of you may know, many clubs have a policy of free entry on your birthday. Do you know that? I will hold my passport and show them my birthday so that I can get a free entry. You see where I'm going here? I gave away my private information in exchange for free entries to the clubs. That would save me 65 Euro per club or 120+ Euro for 2 clubs / day. Hell, I even took advantage of that by visiting 3 clubs on that day. You get it now? I did not give away my personal data for nothing. I use it to my own benefit.
When people go through your passport, they see where you come from. They know your ethnicity. They figure out your age. They find out where you've been. You see. They can build a profile of you. You may not care because you said you're just a normal dude and don't worry about being used for advertisement. You are missing the f**king point here. That's the kind of stupid mentality I used to have. Some people may end up using your personal profile to benefit themselves. They are making money off your private information without compensating you. Don't you get it? Why are you so stupid to let them do that? Imagine you filed a patent for an invention. Would you be happy if people use it in their products without paying you a royalty or something? I would be pissed and sue the hell out of those thieves. Think of it that way if that helps. Your personal bio data is owned exclusively by you as if you patented it. Understood now?
You may still not agree or say that it is not a big deal, but it is a big deal to someone else. We value our personal data differently. You get it? At least you can now understand this giving-away-your-personal-data discussion from a different perspective. When you engage in a such debate with your colleagues or friends as I've done occasionally, you can now understand it from a different angle. The bottom line is that there is no free lunch dude. Your personal profile information has a price. Don't give that away easily. No way!
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[QUOTE=SinglePro;2476588]I felt compelled to add my two cents here to hopefully help you understand. Pessimist has given you a valid reason, but, to many people, that is not even the main point. I think you are missing the root of the argument here. Why would you give up or give away something that is so private to you for free EVEN IF it's something benign, insignificant, unimportant, or no concern to you? Why would you want to be used? You aren't offended that people use you? Arguments like "I'm not important to be worried about being tracked", "only criminals worry about that", "it is not like I'm hiding something", or "no one cares about what I do" are NOT the point. I heard this kind of imbecile reasoning so many times. Good grief! Why would one be dumb enough, stupid enough, and idiotic enough to give away his personal bio data for nothing. Why?
[/QUOTE]LOL, thanks for the kind words. Basically, I think your gripe is one of idealism with very few tangible manifestations stemming from a point of unwarranted self importance, selfish individualism even. That idealism may make some feel important but what often happens is that they sacrifice freedom of action or impose self restricting limitations for that idealistic sense of privacy.
As far as others profiting, if someone benefits from my info and I didn't lose anything of substance or endanger my sensitive identity information to criminals, why do I care? Heck, do you have a mobile phone with any apps? Example WhatsApp? Yeah, people have already been profiting off of your info for years.
Just because someone else wins does't mean you lose. Things are not always zero sum.
Basically, I'm saying "get over yourselves."
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476404]Every girlfriend I have had would have liked me to do dirty things to her. I, however, don't like doing to girlfriends what I do to hot hookers because after the act I don't see the hookers again but I spend lots of non-sex time with the girlfriend and will be somewhat spooked by the thought that she is thinking of all the nasty things that I would have done to her. Nevertheless, I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.[/QUOTE]You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.
I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.
But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2473965]But very high deaths rate, 540/ million in Sweden with Stockholm as one of the worst capital in the World for deaths rate. I look forward to arrive in Dolomiti on this week, no risk in Stelvio or Mortirolo or Zoncolan, virus is not able to climb.[/QUOTE]540 deaths per million? Do you have any reference? What you say is complete nonsense, as the top spot belongs to Belgium, despite (it's massive lockdown and police state mask laws! Below are statistic and Sweden (no lockdown, no masks) is placed number 6. Ironically, Sweden is actually below (= better) Italy and Spain, where they has massive lockdowns and super strict mask wearing laws.
Some hard statistics, instead of just unverifiable fantasy numbers:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/[/URL]
Here is a bunch of charts, comparing Sweden (no lockdown, no masks, no police state) to Belgium (heavy lockdown and strict mask protocols);.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=SWE~BEL[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476610]You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.
I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.
But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us![/QUOTE]Blatant honest answer. Do that to your girfirend and you will get slap in the face.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476610]You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.
I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.
But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us![/QUOTE]I really don t need this, this is not sex. Even paying, even I know some guys like to receive GS or have ass licked and pay for this, but I would not even dare to ask for above. I find more interesting for sex.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2476676]540 deaths per million? Do you have any reference? What you say is complete nonsense, as the top spot belongs to Belgium, despite (it's massive lockdown and police state mask laws! Below are statistic and Sweden (no lockdown, no masks) is placed number 6. Ironically, Sweden is actually below (= better) Italy and Spain, where they has massive lockdowns and super strict mask wearing laws.
Some hard statistics, instead of just unverifiable fantasy numbers:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/[/URL]
Here is a bunch of charts, comparing Sweden (no lockdown, no masks, no police state) to Belgium (heavy lockdown and strict mask protocols);.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden?country=SWE~BEL[/URL][/QUOTE]My reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476610]You don't find many girlfriends to piss in their mouth or insert toys in their ass or give you rim job whenever you want.
I have had many normal girlfriends and 90 % of them would never accept things like that.
But we have a dirty mind right? So someone has to do the job for us![/QUOTE]You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476749]You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.[/QUOTE]Yes and penis is the best ever natural loving toy.
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EL: prostitutes are not normal girls, most of them will do everything for money, that is why I don t kiss a prostitute even she is proposing it to me for free, I don t do or receive riming, obviously playing with shit is also part of the game. If some of you could see what some prostitute have done with her mouth and tongue they will never kiss her. As already reported several times. For me it is coming to a end of my prostitution journey, I need to find extremely natural beauties to enjoy my time with her.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476749]You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.[/QUOTE]When you have good dick and know how to use, able to control, except tongue and fingers to prepare the girl and know when her vagina is ready wet, I like when girls understand what will happen and wide open their legs to help for access, when they understand when you start, usually they close their eyes, no fake porn noise, they give you full access, some follow you rubbing clit on your tongue, or putting your head on right spot, enjoyable to see them participating to get orgasmus and to see their eyes just after, most saying thank you, then You don t need other tools, but only your knowledge and skill. And then, they say: now your turn for pleasure, they will to give you back. Giving to receive.
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How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2476404]I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Wiild;2476848]How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.[/QUOTE]Fully agree, seem like many here never had woman they loved, then you don't ask her to suck you, but you treat her to receive a gift from what she wants to give you from her love for you and how you make her feel, but you don't beg. I don't even beg with prostitutes, I don't ask anything, I just play my game, adapt to girls and I enjoy what they decide to give me, maybe why they usually choose me first, even sporty sex feeling something inside their belly.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2476787]EL: prostitutes are not normal girls, most of them will do everything for money, that is why I don t kiss a prostitute even she is proposing it to me for free, I don t do or receive riming, obviously playing with shit is also part of the game. If some of you could see what some prostitute have done with her mouth and tongue they will never kiss her. As already reported several times. For me it is coming to a end of my prostitution journey, I need to find extremely natural beauties to enjoy my time with her.[/QUOTE]FKK girls also shower and clean themselves 10 times more than the average 'natural' girl in this world.
Don't fool yourself over mind tricks of what you believe is generalizations of groups in our society! It only makes you seem unintelligent.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2476290]It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious, Trump level even. Testosterone does not increase height, Growth Hormone and other growth factors are the major players in longitudinal bone growth. In fact, high levels of testosterone actually stunts lengthening of bones because testosterone down regulated sex hormone stimulating gonadotropins and also aromatizes to estrogen which prematurely seals the epiphyseal growth plates, stopping longitudinal growth. That is one reason why women are shorter, higher estrogen stunts bone lengthening earlier. Assuming a normally functioning sex hormone feedback axis, a woman with high testosterone would thus also have higher estrogen, thus stunting their height.
To curb becoming so tall, the Dutch have even previously used testosterone injection therapy to STUNT height!
For a more thorough discussion of hormones and height interplay, see link below:
[URL]https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/19/5/540/2530797[/URL][/QUOTE]Dude, 'seem to have is NOT a scientific statement. This your entire post falls flat on its face. Learn to read before responding!
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2476475]So I see you've been around long enough then LOL! After a while, maybe you will learn to just ignore.[/QUOTE]Ignoring is not posting that you are ignoring. Posting that you are ignoring is in fact the polar opposite. Meaning you have read my scientific claims in the past. However, reading comprehension is a given, if people try to challenge my statements. Something in which this last poster who must have multiple handles for his claim to hold up does not seem to have.
I do wonder if you also lack reading comprehension given your agreeable nature to this other entity.
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Mursenary, or should I call you Takedown?
When someone is incapable of finding logical flaws in an opponents ideas, a standard practice is to twist his words. Thus making it seem like he has logical flaws in his reasoning. Again, 'seem like' is the key words here. Very unscientific. It boils down to rethorics, and uninteresting bias.
Much like what you find in American politics. But your link to Trump makes me think you have wasted way too much time on following such brainless activities such as the American elections.
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I will end this spree of post by giving you one scientific claim. Then you can rather try and find faults in that, instead of spinning around something which only you (and maybe Cane) believed was a scientific claim.
The most important strategy to have in a discussion is telling the truth.
This was a scientific statement. It did not incorporate 'seem to', or any other verbal phrases like that.
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Netherlands Windows Hoors. Covid Procedure
[URL]https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw[/URL]
Better off stay home and just have a wank 😂.
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[QUOTE=Wanking;2476915][URL]https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw[/URL]
Better off stay home and just have a wank.[/QUOTE]Well nobody knows what happens after the curtain closes LOL!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476742]My reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.[/QUOTE]Actual Swedish data shows much more complicated picture, and Stockholm not worst affected.
See [URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa[/URL] summarized here [URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20200817/maps-where-is-the-coronavirus-spreading-fastest-in-sweden[/URL]. Of course nothing to do with Arts thread.
Think it is very risky/crazy to reopen Artemis. People come from all over Europe and world (especially Italy, Sweden, UK on weekends), showers together, sitting near for hours in big smokey room, this and small rooms upstairs poor ventillation and of course girls doing 10 guys per day. No matter what precautions taken (and these will of course slip over time), and even staying outside til November (!) think about all the ways things could spread. Loved the place for long time but until vaccine proven and available, no way.
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They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.
[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2476920]Actual Swedish data shows much more complicated picture, and Stockholm not worst affected.
See [URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa[/URL] summarized here [URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20200817/maps-where-is-the-coronavirus-spreading-fastest-in-sweden[/URL]. Of course nothing to do with Arts thread.
Think it is very risky/crazy to reopen Artemis. People come from all over Europe and world (especially Italy, Sweden, UK on weekends), showers together, sitting near for hours in big smokey room, this and small rooms upstairs poor ventillation and of course girls doing 10 guys per day. No matter what precautions taken (and these will of course slip over time), and even staying outside til November (!) think about all the ways things could spread. Loved the place for long time but until vaccine proven and available, no way.[/QUOTE]
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EL: I am just afraid to look as intelligent as you.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476749]You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas..[/QUOTE]Yes of course, but not all of them. Isn't that what they work for?
You get sick of piss but you don't mind the girl you DFK had gallons of cum before you?
No I don't do nasty things like shit in vagina but I know many girls that are happy to do that to Arabs when they invite them for a 10 k fee weekend to Dubai.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476814]When you have good dick and know how to use, able to control, except tongue and fingers to prepare the girl and know when her vagina is ready wet, I like when girls understand what will happen and wide open their legs to help for access, when they understand when you start, usually they close their eyes, no fake porn noise, they give you full access, some follow you rubbing clit on your tongue, or putting your head on right spot, enjoyable to see them participating to get orgasmus and to see their eyes just after, most saying thank you, then You don t need other tools, but only your knowledge and skill. And then, they say: now your turn for pleasure, they will to give you back. Giving to receive.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a romantic love story but you know of course they are just fake to make you feel special right?
They are just prostitutes and they do all this acting to anyone.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2476866]FKK girls also shower and clean themselves 10 times more than the average 'natural' girl in this world.[/QUOTE]Yes they do shower and clean themselves 10 times more than average normal girls but this is for 2 reasons.
1. They fuck and take cum in mouth from 15 different guys every night while 'normal'girls don't.
2. The more they wash they more they get the satisfaction they get all the 'dirt'out of them.
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They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.
EL: being a prostitute is not a work, what about the spreading of the covid through the prostitutes, mongers affecting other people and may be you too who also can face a lot of side effects. Nobody knows before how sick he can get but even young and healthy people can get quite sick and needs weeks to fully recover.
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[QUOTE=Wanking;2476915][URL]https://youtu.be/9MVkB50DWKw[/URL]
Better off stay home and just have a wank.[/QUOTE]So will hand shake be considered as an 'extra'now? Hahaha.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2476928]They may have saliva tests or something at front. Either way life must go on. Do what works for you- young fit women are least vulnerable. Let them work; this is their livelihood.[/QUOTE]Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. Well, except explosion in last 6 weeks. But of course, Ninja forgot, it could never spread just between the men (like e. G. Sports teams experience). And all have 30-40% asymptomatic rates. Ninja live in Berlin- daily new infection rate now almost 4 times what it was in May. But why believe science when we have feelings? You also right that there will probably be something at front. It is called cash register.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2476974]Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. .[/QUOTE]No virus? It is second or third every day in new cases in Europe with about 1500 new cases every day.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2476873]I will end this spree of post by giving you one scientific claim. Then you can rather try and find faults in that, instead of spinning around something which only you (and maybe Cane) believed was a scientific claim.
The most important strategy to have in a discussion is telling the truth.
This was a scientific statement. It did not incorporate 'seem to', or any other verbal phrases like that.[/QUOTE]Something seems to be pretty disingenuous about this string of posts. There seems to be many logical disconnects when making the various conclusions. Emotions like pride seem to often interfere with logical thinking. That often seems to be when truthfulness goes to the wayside, perhaps without the person actually ever even consciously knowing it.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476742]My reference is just official figures = Swedish rate is 540 deaths per million people and Stockholm being one of the worst capital for deaths rate.[/QUOTE]Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.
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The science still does not tell us which course of action to take. We don't know how far we are with the course of this virus. When does it end? Can nations pay for missed employment and GDP from lost work? For how long? What about psychological health / depression from lock down? Being out of work? Having no meaning. You're welcome to your concern and to disagree with opening but science can't dictate what our priorities should be in life.
[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2476974]Many / most of fit women come from Romania which has almost no virus. Well, except explosion in last 6 weeks. But of course, Ninja forgot, it could never spread just between the men (like e. G. Sports teams experience). And all have 30-40% asymptomatic rates. Ninja live in Berlin- daily new infection rate now almost 4 times what it was in May. But why believe science when we have feelings? You also right that there will probably be something at front. It is called cash register.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2476994]Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.[/QUOTE]In Florida they even counted a guy who died in a motorbike crash as "covid19 death:" [URL]https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report[/URL].
So much lying by the political prostitutes and the "presstitutes" in the media, and so many loser Snowflakes ready to suck up the lies and cry for a "vaccine. "
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2476993]Something seems to be pretty disingenuous about this string of posts. There seems to be many logical disconnects when making the various conclusions. Emotions like pride seem to often interfere with logical thinking. That often seems to be when truthfulness goes to the wayside, perhaps without the person actually ever even consciously knowing it.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are right. Seems to.
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[QUOTE=Wiild;2476848]How can you "demand" something from a girlfriend? No offense but I think your sex-buying has really affected the way you look at girlfriendds and relationships? In healthy relationships you don't exchange money and services, you can't DEMAND sexual acts! Also: to suck dick in the world outside FKKs and escorts is always without condom, No? Why would you put a condom on the dick when your girlfriend is sucking you? Once again I think this type of expression shows too much focus and time spent in FKK: which in turn probably shows some addictive behaviour that could be messing with our real relationships.[/QUOTE]Remember these girls are more expensive than FKK girls. All my prospective girlfriends go through a trial period. If they don't put out to my liking they're out the door.
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No matter what it is, I can admit I don't like my words being twisted.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2477002]In Florida they even counted a guy who died in a motorbike crash as "covid19 death:" [URL]https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report[/URL].
So much lying by the political prostitutes and the "presstitutes" in the media, and so many loser Snowflakes ready to suck up the lies and cry for a "vaccine. "[/QUOTE]So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?
Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2476749]You piss in working girl's mouths? Please remind me never to DFK a working girl again. I hope you do not shit in their vaginas. I do not enjoy rim jobs, I first got that in China and it never grew on me. The only toy I bring for girls to play with is my penis.[/QUOTE]Rimming is something most girls provide in FKKs with some extra incentive, and a few give it for free. I had that service delivered to me a few times. Don't think I ever paid for it. To be honest, other than the novelty value, it does nothing for me. First, it feels wet. My asshole is not an erotic zone, at least not for me. If a girl licks my ear, it turns me on occasionally; but my dick never became harder just because a girl licked my ass.
Re: the points you raised, one pretty much has to assume the girl had provided the nastiest services to some guy in her prior room. Perhaps that is why MrHo claims he takes the first room of the day from any girl. He claims he likes rimjobs performed on him. I guess he likes a rim job but does not like the feeling that she may have done it to some other guy in the prior room and then kisses him. Fair enough. When it comes to sex, selfishness is a fine attribute and hypocrisy is not a sin.
I typically block out such imagery from my mind and kiss the girl as long as she looks clean and has a good breath, which many girls in FKKs do. I would more worried if I walk into the room with a girl and there is a suspicious stain on the bed, or worse yet the room has urine stench. Then we would of course walk out and wait for another room.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2476941]EL: I am just afraid to look as intelligent as you.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are scared of transmittance of bacteria and viruses, this is hardly the right forum for you. But we only live once.
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When people are having a hard time getting it up, a standard approach is to justify not indulging in it by some other reasoning. For example trying to abolish it for everyone else. And thus making excuses.
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I don't understand why someone here say FKK girls are very dirty and full of shit and cum in there mouth etc.
This is exactly the opposite of what I saw there, maybe we have different opinion but I think if I hold there opinion of dirty FKK girls I would never go there and I will not be interested in this form or post here.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477018]No matter what it is, I can admit I don't like my words being twisted.[/QUOTE]The easy fix is to use a better combination of words. Grasp of subject matter beyond superficial familiarity of catch words also helps.
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EL: Turgid saying these girls are more expensive seems not to be a argument, in fact it is different case by case but globally if you both are working you share some costs (housing.) for me at least it will be far cheaper. Usually with a GF, or spouse you are building a future, you create memories. What are you creating with a prostitute: riming, sucking.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476961]Yes of course, but not all of them. Isn't that what they work for?
You get sick of piss but you don't mind the girl you DFK had gallons of cum before you?[/QUOTE]They don't work as human toilets.
There is a slight difference between piss and cum.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2477041]I don't understand why someone here say FKK girls are very dirty and full of shit and cum in there mouth etc.
This is exactly the opposite of what I saw there, maybe we have different opinion but I think if I hold there opinion of dirty FKK girls I would never go there and I will not be interested in this form or post here.[/QUOTE]I totally agree.
But perhaps the sheep mentality regarding social distancing and viruses in the media during the past 5 months have swayed a few posters here on the forum. Touché, but with those ideas they won't be missed.
Older people might also be more at risk from corona. I stay healthy and are not very old myself. So not worried at all.
Having corona confused with something dirty just makes them seem unintelligent though.
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Now let's open everything!
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/long-term-coronavirus-immunity-t-cells-2020-8[/URL]
We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection and it's not just about antibodies.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2476994]Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.[/QUOTE]Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476967]Yes they do shower and clean themselves 10 times more than average normal girls but this is for 2 reasons.
1. They fuck and take cum in mouth from 15 different guys every night while 'normal'girls don't.
2. The more they wash they more they get the satisfaction they get all the 'dirt'out of them.[/QUOTE]You think most girls take shower between rooms? In reality, only a few, very few. At GT Bruggen which is the best club for good business for girls in Germany, no shower for girls, only shower for us, so, how can they take shower? When some girls have 10 rooms per day. They shower before arriving and when they finish, 2 public shower close to sauna. Between rooms, they use bidet to wash pussy, they are not dirty girls but they don t have better for them in the most VIP club in Germany, the most crowded and the best business for girls. Sometimes 60/70 girls and no private shower for them.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477026]Well, if you are scared of transmittance of bacteria and viruses, this is hardly the right forum for you. But we only live once.[/QUOTE]Yeah but trolling is so funny when you have nothing else to do with your life.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477059]The easy fix is to use a better combination of words. Grasp of subject matter beyond superficial familiarity of catch words also helps.[/QUOTE]So my initial joke really did go straight past you? Should it really be needed to point jokes out on a forum where I suspect most people are aged 25+?
At least one person got my joke (see Oase thread).
In my eyes, humor is the best indicator of intelligence.
Take this for what its worth also:
[URL]https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/black-humor-linked-to-high-intelligence-study[/URL]
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Or make that 2. As Sirioja also clearly got the joke in addition to Bigbuddy.
Now of course you might say "oh, but that type of humor is not even the slightest funny" "oh, but that type of humor is rude", or some lame comment I've heard ad nauseum a million times. All coming from people I've never in my life ever heard a joke from.
But that goes in one ear and out the other. And I can just refer you to the dark humor article.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477019]So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?
Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.[/QUOTE]That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.
Do you have a solid prove for your claim?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2477107][URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/long-term-coronavirus-immunity-t-cells-2020-8[/URL]
We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection and it's not just about antibodies.[/QUOTE]I hope, but if the Vaccine few months away, I think governors prefer to wait for it rather than admit they were over reacting from the beginning.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2477082]They don't work as human toilets.
There is a slight difference between piss and cum.[/QUOTE]What is the difference, more protein?
I don't say that they are human toilets but most of them do anything for money. Regarding pissing most of them are active but akot are passive if you pay them well. The extra cost is normally as much as anal.
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That's total bullshit, you should stop reading conspiracy pages on Facebook.
Or maybe the coronavirus is one wunderwaffe from the nazis on the dark side of the moon?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2477126]Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.[/QUOTE]Argumentative. Nothing that you wrote are hard facts. We don't know the actual mortality rate and I highly doubt the last part of what you wrote. There are no real evidence of that being true, I'd claim that the IFR is closer to 0.4% and the number of cases with permanent damages that will have any notable effects are closer to 1% than 30%.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2477126]Mortality rate is not the only parameter to consider, when you evaluate a pandemic. You no longer die from HIV anymore today, but you would still not say HIV is not a serious virus. COVID-19 has a 1% mortality rate, but 7% of infected people will require intensive care for prolonged period of time, 20% will suffer from very severe symptoms for more than 2 months and 30% of recovered people will be left with permanent damages to the lungs.[/QUOTE]You never recover from HIV, you will stay weak health, just surviving. About covid reality, just have to count how many more deaths than usual, or just imagination?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477019]So what do you think regarding my theory about the corona epidemic being a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall?
Of course, a well done cover up also needs to be ended well. A vaccine can be one such. Lab grown tweaks to a virus also included.[/QUOTE]Oh I would't be surprised that they are using Covid19 to cover up an imploding house of cards on the financial markets, but most people have never even heard of the RePo Market which nearly crashed in September last year and how rates shot up to 10%, so they think we are "tinfoil hat Cov-idiots."
By the way, I am not suggesting that Covid19 has been deliberately created, but I do think that the politicians, central bankers and their accomplices in the mainstream media ("news" brought to you by big corporations or state owned "news" stations) are using and exaggerating this whole new flu in order to reset the financial system. As the saying goes: "never let a crisis go to waste. " The GFC (Great Financial Crisis) of 2008 was a major wake up call, and now, while people are brainwashed and scared stiff by the media and running around like headless chickens crying about a "vaccine" and "social distancing," the bankers and politicians can do whatever they want. Snowflakes are crying "save me!" and "give me a vaccine!" and the big banks are crying "give me a bail out!
Most people are completely clueless how much freshly "printed" money has been pumped into an exponential debt-based financial system, and how, eventually, this will always come to a bad end.
There is actually a funny parallel to sex / women and financial crisis, it's called the "Hemline Index. ".
According to the theory, the better the economic times (like the "Roaring Twenties" the shorter the skirts of women and the more loose and playful they are. The worse the financial state, the more conservative women get, hence the longer the skirts. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemline_index[/URL].
A global depression (forget about the stock exchanges, they are almost purely driven by algos and "printed" money) will not be good for FKK clubs.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2477231]What is the difference, more protein?......................[/QUOTE]Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2477225]That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.
Do you have a solid prove for your claim?[/QUOTE]Well, mainly drawing it from [URL]wallstreeonparade.com[/URL] and the writings there. Mix that up with the timing of certain events like covid-19. MSM secrecy regarding the repo loan payouts. Global decent of average central bank interest rates, the 2 year rule regarding a drop in central bank interest rates after a rate hike. Gain of function laboratories. US. China geo-politics. The idea that governments usually are in compliance behind the backdrop of MSMs general paradigm, just to keep control of ones own people in order for them to work as slaves. Thus having less worth, or close to no worth at all. Etc etc. And agenda 21 on top of all of that. Even the timing related to the pause between the two S-curves in IT technology related to transistor density now that we are heading into the 3rd dimension coexist nicely with the world and our civilization having a few years time to pause for such a thing as a corona epidemic.
It kinda all falls into place.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2477242]That's total bullshit, you should stop reading conspiracy pages on Facebook.
Or maybe the coronavirus is one wunderwaffe from the nazis on the dark side of the moon?[/QUOTE]Not Facebook, but read here:
[URL]https://wallstreetonparade.com/9426-2/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477209]So my initial joke really did go straight past you? Should it really be needed to point jokes out on a forum where I suspect most people are aged 25+?
At least one person got my joke (see Oase thread).
In my eyes, humor is the best indicator of intelligence.
Take this for what its worth also:
[URL]https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/black-humor-linked-to-high-intelligence-study[/URL][/QUOTE]Per this discussion, I'm not sure if you have a correct understanding of the term dark humor as it has not been accurately reflected. Perhaps work on the delivery?
Other measures of intelligence, ability to discuss a subject matter at breadth and knowing intricacies of the subject matter beyond a 3 minute google read before making bold assertions. Also, life achievements, social status, ability to form functional personal relationships I. E. Having friends or perhaps just one.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2477225]That is a smart claim, I always though that lockdown wasnt effective and does more harm than good.
Do you have a solid prove for your claim?[/QUOTE]Of course not.
As far as more harm than good, I too was a skeptic at first, but after actually seeing the manifestations of the "mild" disease first hand, I shifted my views. As such, a person's views of the pandemic is understandably formed by their personal experience, which is more often limited by their immediate social surroundings. As a man in his thirties, most of my peer group scoff at the policies regarding the pandemic because they have no personal encounters with the effects of the disease. For them, perhaps it did do more harm than good. As far as society at large, we will never know how bad the death toll would have been without some sort of stay-at-home orders. What we did see is the beginnings of the possible death tolls before lock down measures were implemented. The situations in Milan and NYC provided a glimpse of how bad it could have been. One doctor being in charge of the care of over 50 patients and ICU nurses being in charge of 6-12 patients were patient ratios that could only inevitably end in needless death, which in those cities, it did.
Consider yourselves fortunate to be able to hold the views that you do. As they say, ignorance is bliss.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2477273]Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.[/QUOTE]When I do piss in mouth I drink a lot of water before so when it comes out it is crystal clear and has no smell just like water. Girls never complain unless It hits the eye by mistake.
The best is to combine both piss after cum in mouth. To clarify for those who got upset about the FKK girls, I have never done it in such club but with independent escorts. FKK girls don't do such nasty things unless you invite them to your place and throw a lot of money on their face.
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[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2477231]What is the difference, more protein?
I don't say that they are human toilets but most of them do anything for money. [/QUOTE]If you despise prostitutes, why do you use their services? Because you think that your money gives you the right to do what you want, or because you are a loner who never had a chance with women and people in general?
That's funny, all these guys on this board constantly thrashing working girls and prostitution, and yet spending all of their free time and tons of money with them.
You don't like, don't go and don't write on this forum, that's simple.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2476994]Just confirmed this week that 85% of reported Corona deaths in Sweden was due to other illnesses than the virus.[/QUOTE]Yes, old Swedish die because they are old, but faster with virus.
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"Coronavirus hospital admissions inflated at height of pandemic"
More Covid19 lies to create unwarranted panic: "Hospital admissions for Covid-19 were over-reported at the peak of the pandemic, with patients who were taken in for other illnesses being included in outbreak statistics, it has emerged."
"The key, to me, is the admissions data," he said. "You could have 1,000 people with the infection, but if you have no admissions then you're actually building up a population more able to withstand the virus."
In other words: people are building up resistance to Covid19 in a natural way, but the politicians and media don't want you to know that. They want people scared and crying for a "vaccine" and "a Big Brother surveillance state."
[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/20/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-inflated-height-pandemic-investigation/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter[/URL]#Echobox=1597958357.
Want to ever visit FKKs again? Then stop believing the propaganda about a "vaccine," and "social distancing" and "Covid tracking apps," and instead have some trust in our normal and natural human immune system. Our immune system has protected us for many 1000 years against viruses and it will also protect us against the mild flu called Covid19!
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If rimming is okay for some people, then you really shouldn't be scared of a little virus called Covid19! Hahaha!
Shit smells like shit for a reason: so you don't eat or lick it! Mother Nature designed it that way.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2477273]Piss is human waste to be discarded and to be stayed far away from. When you were very very young you were swimming in cum heading towards the egg with billions of competitors.[/QUOTE]For those wondering you can also check German sites like ladies which girls offer NS passive which means receiving natur sekt.
Of course she doesn't mean champagne haha.
Most of them are active though.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2477413]More Covid19 lies to create unwarranted panic: "Hospital admissions for Covid-19 were over-reported at the peak of the pandemic, with patients who were taken in for other illnesses being included in outbreak statistics, it has emerged."
"The key, to me, is the admissions data," he said. "You could have 1,000 people with the infection, but if you have no admissions then you're actually building up a population more able to withstand the virus."
In other words: people are building up resistance to Covid19 in a natural way, but the politicians and media don't want you to know that. They want people scared and crying for a "vaccine" and "a Big Brother surveillance state."
[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/20/coronavirus-hospital-admissions-inflated-height-pandemic-investigation/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter[/URL]#Echobox=1597958357.
Want to ever visit FKKs again? Then stop believing the propaganda about a "vaccine," and "social distancing" and "Covid tracking apps," and instead have some trust in our normal and natural human immune system. Our immune system has protected us for many 1000 years against viruses and it will also protect us against the mild flu called Covid19![/QUOTE]Yes, You are right covid, confined and more than 5 hundred thousands deaths are just imagination, just like HIV which is not dangerous, but Germany don t open brothels, but You can go to private Venezia in Saarland, You choose a girl, You go to room with mask, You have sex with mask and You leave the place. New safety for paid sex in Germany. I won't pay for this.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2477414]If rimming is okay for some people, then you really shouldn't be scared of a little virus called Covid19! Hahaha!
Shit smells like shit for a reason: so you don't eat or lick it! Mother Nature designed it that way.[/QUOTE]How about cat piss?
People with toxoplasma gondii actually might get turned on by it. What if there are similar parasites making you fall in love with German girls shit? Mother nature could just as well created that.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2477339]If you despise prostitutes, why do you use their services? Because you think that your money gives you the right to do what you want, or because you are a loner who never had a chance with women and people in general?
That's funny, all these guys on this board constantly thrashing working girls and prostitution, and yet spending all of their free time and tons of money with them.
You don't like, don't go and don't write on this forum, that's simple.[/QUOTE]I don't despise them, I find very interesting to do what I like with them as long as they agree. I ask what I like they agree and we do it, that's simple.
You want to guess if I am rich or if I am a loner? Ha ha I am none of both, I am very normal who just likes some spicy sex with girls who agree.
I don't know why you got offended, you are their pimp or something? It is just prostitutes who offer services to various men in exchange of money and many of them do anything for that. They sell and I buy so where is the problem? If you don't like my posts just don't read, it's simple.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477287]Per this discussion, I'm not sure if you have a correct understanding of the term dark humor as it has not been accurately reflected. Perhaps work on the delivery?
Other measures of intelligence, ability to discuss a subject matter at breadth and knowing intricacies of the subject matter beyond a 3 minute google read before making bold assertions. Also, life achievements, social status, ability to form functional personal relationships I. E. Having friends or perhaps just one.[/QUOTE]You really do seem hurt.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477291]As far as more harm than good, I too was a skeptic at first, but after actually seeing the manifestations of the "mild" disease first hand, I shifted my views. As such, a person's views of the pandemic is understandably formed by their personal experience, which is more often limited by their immediate social surroundings.[/QUOTE]There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477484]You really do seem hurt.[/QUOTE]I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477465]......... but You can go to private Venezia in Saarland, You choose a girl, You go to room with mask, You have sex with mask and You leave the place. New safety for paid sex in Germany. I won't pay for this.[/QUOTE]When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2477622]When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY[/URL].[/QUOTE]Getting naked is under the gun these days so to speak. I won't be returning to the scene unless and until all returns to "normal". That means no social distancing, no masks, and BBBJs. Not going to accept less than that, and prepared to wait it out for as long as it takes. So help me monger gods.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2477622]When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY[/URL].[/QUOTE]LOL, we are heading down that path!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2477508]There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?[/QUOTE]From your descriptions, they all fall under the realm of conspiracy theorists. Healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing, but most of these guys here seem pretty sure of themselves while being convinced of surface level theories.
Intellectually lazy rather than intelligent:
"In terms of cognitive processes, people with stronger conspiracy beliefs are more likely to overestimate the likelihood of co-occurring events, to attribute intentionality where it is unlikely to exist, and to have lower levels of analytic thinking. ".
Makes a person feel special:
"People who believe in conspiracy theories can feel "special," in a positive sense, because they may feel that they are more informed than others about important social and political events. ".
"individual narcissism, or a grandiose idea of the self, is positively related to belief in conspiracy theories. ".
"paranoid thought mediates the relationship between individual narcissism and conspiracy beliefs. ".
"narcissism is positively correlated with need for uniqueness (Emmons, 1984) and here we showed that need for uniqueness is related to conspiracy belief. "
Is often socially isolated with feelings of inadequacy:
"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".
"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6396711/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916303221[/URL]
[URL]https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-30136-003[/URL]
I may add that there is a positive correlation between psychological damage and the frequency in which someone is observed to consistently default to conspiracy theories rather than the person who has the one-off entertainment of a conspiracy theory here and there.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477547]I'll take that as a no to having functional personal relationships.[/QUOTE]Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2477508]There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?[/QUOTE]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.
In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.
In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2477694]Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.[/QUOTE]Yes, not reading things to completion and thus understanding was already known. No need to reiterate said point.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state. [/QUOTE]If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.
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And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2477622]When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY[/URL].[/QUOTE]I agree for condom and not only about but of course not to catch HIV because I m sure then I won t be anymore able to climb my mountains, a bit worst than falling in anemia, when exhausting body, and also I don t want a girl come to me and say: I have a little problem here about You. But sex without kissing is no interest for me, so I can t with mask, and also since confined, I increased my level of expectation, I don t want sex, I want much more, I want to dream, so I need beauty and even much more. After yesterday, even she is a elegant beauty, was always lovely with me, and a real pleasure to make her really cum with not the faintest doubt because you can t touch her then, but the prettiest girl at Globe, German but too much at work for me, even really good manners and more interesting than average to talk, despite really enjoyable in bed, but out of sex, she didn't make me dream for first time, and that s not enough for what I look for, have to find a new beauty able to make me dream, and of course with no mask, I enjoy too much oral. Very good point with this German, she uses very thin condom so could really feel inside her and when I finish she keeps me inside of her, I decide when I want to go out, but best pleasure is in my mind. Even a lovely, good mannered, sweet, sophisticated for look and body care beauty, but German at work. Even not same level for look and for sex, but I found Anna. Ro Wellcum more interesting as woman for how she improved for me, despite 2 German orgasmus yesterday.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477833]If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.
In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.[/QUOTE]In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2478022]In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.[/QUOTE]More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.
Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477667]"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".
"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.[/QUOTE]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477667]And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).
People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.
[QUOTE]How Many Americans Believe In Conspiracy Theories?
And while 40% of younger Americans believe the true rulers of the world are the superrich, only 24% of older Americans support this view.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#311300195e94.[/QUOTE]
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1. The term conspiracy theories was coined by an international pr agency in order to reduce the impact of theories considered harmful for well integrated PR agencies. Who gets paid for their work of course.
2. There is no deep state. Just people doing everything they can in their own field of work to earn as much money as possible.
3. Mursenary is right about one thing. The polarization on the internet. This is called red feed. Blue feed. That term would save you 8 sentences. Phrases and terms like this is very useful and even the usage of terms and phrases in all fields of study is also a rhetorical way of implying an order of knowledge. And psychologically most people buy into this. Thus another very important thing in the pr industry is to always coin new phrases and terms.
4. Everything you read is subjective ideas from some random point of view. Especially news reports due to the choices they make in picking the news, and rewriting it before publishing it.
5. Red feed. Blue feed is as much a result of monetization and internet algorithms as much as smaller islands of individuals finding like-minded on a large WWW.
6. The internet is an evolution humanity would have go through inevitably anyway. And the ironing out of democracy in our new information age is not a sign of deterioration, but of a new paradigm where information is free. Lack of humanity's education level is however the one big obstacle. Because right now, most, if not all people in this world is not smart enough to evaluate everything we read or hear in this new way of life.
7. Selfishness and lack of abundance due to capitalism is the base problem causing people to lie in order to get an upper hand. Machiavellian ideas are just a result of such. (How the prince can fool his people). Besides Niccolo Machiavelli is a pronounced author and one of the most important names within political statehood, and that field of study. So if anyone believes there are no such policies in this world, then good lord they don't know much!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2478029]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.
Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).
People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.[/QUOTE]"But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage".
There is NO righteous path or a wrong path. It is a personal choice. How is a personal choice about sex life supposed to indicate anything Re: enlightenment of that person? That is one kooky theory. Not that you advocated it. I am married and it works for me in some ways; I am cheating and it is my personal choice. I don't claim to be enlightened or depraved or whatever, and my choice is none of any other people's business either. Just like what other mongers or even non-mongers do in their life is not my concern.
Mongers are definitely not marginalized. That is just a victimhood complex, I guess these days everyone wants to imagine himself as a victim. First of all if someone is able to monger consistently, it indicates that man has sufficient economic means. Hardly a sign of a marginalized person in society. Secondly, yeah, you can't have everything you want in life. A country definitely has a right to compose and enforce its own laws, including laws on prostitution. If you are a citizen and those laws suck for you, as they do for me in my homeland of US, tough luck. Could be much worse. I could be a Chinese dood and not have many personal freedoms, A Uighur and not able to walk across the street w / o being tracked by the Commie Chinese govt or a woman born in a Moslem nation like Afghanistan / Saudi Arabia / Pakistan Etc. Now, THOSE are marginalized. Not a man with a good job in the western societies plush with Enough cash to fuck 6 girls per night in Oase.
As for internet and radicalization, etc. Internet and social media may be amplifying and accelerating some trends but if one is so easily inclined to readily subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories, I would not be rationalizing their craziness by blaming it on technology. This goes back to the victimhood complex, or others wanting to see victims when there are only crazies. For instance, this QAnon stuff. Apparently a whole bunch of people believe a guy called Q will come up as a messiah and clean up this world. This bunch also believes some really weird stuff per media reports, including that Bill Gates is a vampire And drinks children's blood or that Bill Gates wants to put a chip in everybody and control them and so on. Occasionally, I see one of these guys even post in WSJ comments, and it is a publication where the average subscriber has an annual income of $160,000. Hardly someone that you would call marginalized or left behind. My point: if someone is crazy enough to jettison common sense and a rational brain and subscribe to obviously outlandish and bizarre ideas, it is because that person is crazy and not because of technology or this and that.
P.S. Thank you very much, Mr. Paulie97.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2478029]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.
Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.
Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).
[/QUOTE]Well you are right in that mongering is not marginalized as it was never in the boundary of play to begin with. Being a marginalized subculture requires a nominal degree of mainstream acceptance. In our present culture, mongering is outright excluded from the get-go. For most, mongering is not a subculture, but for people who post on these forums frequently, it is on the fringe of a subculture in their (our) own realities.
In the past, British-American (western) causes were cemented into mainstream culture perhaps due to lack of a plurality of dissenting positions.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2478027]More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.
Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.[/QUOTE]If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.
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[URL]https://youtu.be/PZP16RxSvWE[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2478206]If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.[/QUOTE]I believe that you are speaking about the leaders while the previous poster had the followers in mind. The oligarchies and autocratic figures throughout history probably knew better but the fools that follow them probably actually believed the bogus conspiracy theories. What's happening in America at the moment is a prime example, 1930's Germany another. It's just more reinforcement that the masses are bored and intellectually lazy which makes them proned to be sold these crockpot theories.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2478072]As for internet and radicalization, etc. Internet and social media may be amplifying and accelerating some trends but if one is so easily inclined to readily subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories, I would not be rationalizing their craziness by blaming it on technology. This goes back to the victimhood complex, or others wanting to see victims when there are only crazies. For instance, this QAnon stuff. Apparently a whole bunch of people believe a guy called Q will come up as a messiah and clean up this world. This bunch also believes some really weird stuff per media reports, including that Bill Gates is a vampire And drinks children's blood or that Bill Gates wants to put a chip in everybody and control them and so on. Occasionally, I see one of these guys even post in WSJ comments, and it is a publication where the average subscriber has an annual income of $160,000. Hardly someone that you would call marginalized or left behind. My point: if someone is crazy enough to jettison common sense and a rational brain and subscribe to obviously outlandish and bizarre ideas, it is because that person is crazy and not because of technology or this and that.[/QUOTE]I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478298]I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.[/QUOTE]Before social media there was talk radio. I am not minimizing the power of internet in exerting influence on people, but we are talking about conspiracy theories which by definition are extreme views and in my view the people inclined to subscribe to conspiracy theories on a constant basis are already somewhat kooky and congregate with like minded people on social forums. BTW, I don't think you meant it that way, but there is not sufficient equivalence between Nazis and their enablers in 1930's, Trumpers or trump voters, and people against prostitution. Nazis were just monsters, we all know. Trump voters were almost 50% of US and even if you don't agree with them, can't say that 50% of this country is super extreme. Well you can say it, but they would say the same about you / me, and then it descends into an endless squabble. Roughly half the people I know in my personal and professional life are GOPers or Dems, and if I set their political views aside, all of them are not any different from normal. Finally, people can have a lot of reasons to be against prostitution. Yes, I partake in paid sex and I reject their views, but they are entitled to their views. Also, some girls could very well be victims. I occasionally read vague references to lover boys, pimps and other stuff on this site itself. Who knows the complete truth. I know I don't. My view on this is a bit like I enjoy my steak but don't want the cow slaughtered in front of me.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478298]I think you are underestimating the power of herd mentality. Like I keep saying, most people are intellectually lazy and even when things do not make logical sense, they will fall in line. Most people think prostitution is wrong, calling the girl a victim, we know this is more often not the case. Nazis scapegoated all Jews, we know that the average Jew had no part in the economics state of 1920's Germany. Most Trumpers, prostitution opponents, 1930's Germans are / were not crazy. Yet, herd mentality allows bullshit beliefs to propagate. Digital technology just makes it that much easier.[/QUOTE]I would say confirmation bias weighs more heavily than intellectual laziness. If someone is emotionally invested, they seek out only evidence that corroborates their beliefs, and discard the rest. Therefore two people can look at the same evidence, and arrive at different conclusions (we even see this even in the clubs). Here is a story about 68 yo physics professor who met a Czech bikini model (or more accurately some scammer posing as a Bikini model) who got duped into being a drug mule. Even while he sat in prison, he still clung to hope that this would "all be sorted out" and that he and his bikini model girlfriend, who he never met, could finally be together. As you touched on in one of your previous posts, his delusion was partly based on the need to "feel special". This caused him to have a tenuous grip on reality:
[QUOTE]"A total of three psychological evaluations were presented at the trial, and two agreed that he had the traits of a [b]narcissistic personality an overblown and unrealistic image of himself[/b]. One concluded that it did not constitute a pathology, while the other suggested that there were pathological aspects to his narcissism that [b]led to gaps in his understanding of reality.[/b]"
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magazine/the-professor-the-bikini-model-and-the-suitcase-full-of-trouble.html[/QUOTE]An American psychologist administered IQ tests to the twenty or so defendants at the Nuremberg trial. The average score was about two standard deviations higher than average. I suppose someone could be be intellectually gifted and lazy with regard to educating themselves on specific issues, but I tend to believe that there were other reasons. Also, I think there are situations where it is permissible to be intellectually lazy. For example, Hitler, who most would consider a narcissist, overestimated his own abilities as a military strategist. If he had deferred to the experts and the advice of his field marshalls, perhaps Germany would have won the war.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2478347]Before social media there was talk radio. I am not minimizing the power of internet in exerting influence on people, but we are talking about conspiracy theories which by definition are extreme views and in my view the people inclined to subscribe to conspiracy theories on a constant basis are already somewhat kooky and congregate with like minded people on social forums. BTW, I don't think you meant it that way, but there is not sufficient equivalence between Nazis and their enablers in 1930's, Trumpers or trump voters, and people against prostitution. Nazis were just monsters, we all know. Trump voters were almost 50% of US and even if you don't agree with them, can't say that 50% of this country is super extreme. Well you can say it, but they would say the same about you / me, and then it descends into an endless squabble. Roughly half the people I know in my personal and professional life are GOPers or Dems, and if I set their political views aside, all of them are not any different from normal. Finally, people can have a lot of reasons to be against prostitution. Yes, I partake in paid sex and I reject their views, but they are entitled to their views. Also, some girls could very well be victims. I occasionally read vague references to lover boys, pimps and other stuff on this site itself. Who knows the complete truth. I know I don't. My view on this is a bit like I enjoy my steak but don't want the cow slaughtered in front of me.[/QUOTE]I think internet platforms are a league up from talk radio as it lets the user more easily actively participate. That makes it even easier for people to subscribe to off the wall ideas. Grandmas and bored housewives can scroll a facebook feed, see some propaganda video, see real people commenting, and believe that there is a real significant community that gives credence to whatever message. It's a positive feedback loop.
Not all Trumpers are conspiracy theorists, but hell yes I am comparing Trumpers to Nazi enablers.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2478355]I would say confirmation bias weighs more heavily than intellectual laziness. If someone is emotionally invested, they seek out only evidence that corroborates their beliefs, and discard the rest. Therefore two people can look at the same evidence, and arrive at different conclusions (we even see this even in the clubs). Here is a story about 68 yo physics professor who met a Czech bikini model (or more accurately some scammer posing as a Bikini model) who got duped into being a drug mule. Even while he sat in prison, he still clung to hope that this would "all be sorted out" and that he and his bikini model girlfriend, who he never met, could finally be together. As you touched on in one of your previous posts, his delusion was partly based on the need to "feel special". This caused him to have a tenuous grip on reality:
An American psychologist administered IQ tests to the twenty or so defendants at the Nuremberg trial. The average score was about two standard deviations higher than average. I suppose someone could be be intellectually gifted and lazy with regard to educating themselves on specific issues, but I tend to believe that there were other reasons. Also, I think there are situations where it is permissible to be intellectually lazy. For example, Hitler, who most would consider a narcissist, overestimated his own abilities as a military strategist. If he had deferred to the experts and the advice of his field marshalls, perhaps Germany would have won the war.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think I used the term personal reckoning, or lack thereof, which is along the same line as confirmation bias.
Not sure we should use your Hitler example as example for being intellectually lazy. His actions were clouded in pride and narcissism rather than an example of using intelligence. The intelligent thing to do would have been to defer people with more expertise, not sure that would be a case of green lighting intellectual laziness. But yes, you don't have to be "on" all the time. I certainly am not.
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I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.
Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.
Look at it this way:
1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?
2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?
3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478592]I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.
Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.
Look at it this way:
1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?
2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?
3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?[/QUOTE]Armania Bielefeld played Bundesliga 1 few years ago.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478592]I am almost starting to believe that the spike in corona virus cases in Germany is a hoax too these days.
Take for instance the outbreak at the slaughter house in Bielefeld. Well, as it apparently goes, Bielefeld does not even exist.
Look at it this way:
1. Do you know anyone from Bielefeld?
2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?
3. Do you know anyone who has ever been to Bielefeld?[/QUOTE]Hehe, yes, the classic German joke about "on the highway there is only an exit sign for Bielefeld, but the city itself doesn't exist."
Through friends, family and colleagues, I know a couple of people who have recently been tested positive but all have zero! Symptoms, yet they set a crazy chain of events in motion that requires more friends, family and colleagues to also be tested. Everybody else tested negative, so that leaves a lot of questions with regards to all those "thousands of positive cases" that you hear and read about daily in the European media.
But nobody is allowed to question the authorities, and even fundamental democratic rights (the right to protest and assembly) are suspended in this 'democratic' European Union, as Berlin bans any protests of people who question the government response: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-bans-large-weekend-protests-against-coronavirus-restrictions-citing-health-grounds/a-54709887[/URL].
Meanwhile, the European propaganda mainstream media and politicians are crying about "dictator Lukashenko" in Belarus, while their own governments are effectively doing the same at home.
Is anybody here still naive enough to think that FKK clubs are opening this year? Even if Artemis opens on the 1st of September, you better enjoy it quickly, because I don't think it will not take long before it will be forced to close again "because of positive cases."
When you confront these Covid Fanatics with the statistics from Sweden without lockdown or masks, all you hear is silence because it doesn't fit their totalitarian lockdown and "we need a vaccine" narrative. Nobody can or wants to explain why Sweden scores better than Spain, UK, Italy or Belgium:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/[/URL]
Europe has a long history of fascist and communist dictatorships (Germany, Spain, Italy, communist Eastern Europe) and is the kind of Covid Dictatorship that will develop: a Spanish police officer without a mask is hitting girls for not properly wearing their masks: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fILTX9jM114[/URL].
Don't be naive to say: "it can not happen again."
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478292]I believe that you are speaking about the leaders while the previous poster had the followers in mind. The oligarchies and autocratic figures throughout history probably knew better but the fools that follow them probably actually believed the bogus conspiracy theories. What's happening in America at the moment is a prime example, 1930's Germany another. It's just more reinforcement that the masses are bored and intellectually lazy which makes them proned to be sold these crockpot theories.[/QUOTE]The leaders are deceitful but the masses who follow them have their biases. Those who are unbiased will not go along. A biased person knows he is wrong and becomes proactive upon being encouraged. Fascists and the like play on people's prejudice.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2478672]Armania Bielefeld played Bundesliga 1 few years ago.[/QUOTE]It's a German joke from the start of the internet, look up the Bielefeld conspiracy for the story. Even Angela Merkel got into it by saying that she thought that she had been there.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2478813]It's a German joke from the start of the internet, look up the Bielefeld conspiracy for the story. Even Angela Merkel got into it by saying that she thought that she had been there.[/QUOTE]Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2478717]Is anybody here still naive enough to think that FKK clubs are opening this year? Even if Artemis opens on the 1st of September, you better enjoy it quickly, because I don't think it will not take long before it will be forced to close again "because of positive cases."
When you confront these Covid Fanatics with the statistics from Sweden without lockdown or masks, all you hear is silence because it doesn't fit their totalitarian lockdown and "we need a vaccine" narrative. Nobody can or wants to explain why Sweden scores better than Spain, UK, Italy or Belgium:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.
Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.
Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478847]Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?[/QUOTE]Poor delivery is often the downfall of many would-be good jokes.
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I don't understand the Swedish fan boys here. As Mursenary said, there have been ten times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway or Finland, the neighbor countries which enforced a lockdown during the peak of the epidemy. Even your government says that they should have handled things differently. Do they brainwash you in Sweden?
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EL: yes there is full employment for native christian or European candidates. For immigrants there is often a language and cultural gap with make the things more difficult. I can tell you if you are cook, salesman, nurse, auto mechanic, electrician, carpenter, truck driver. You find easily a job in few days. Like every where if you don t speak the local language, you don t adapt to the local habits it is a hard to integrate in any country. It will be very difficult for you to find Asian unemployed people in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478866]Poor delivery is often the downfall of many would-be good jokes.[/QUOTE]Well,
1. Jokes in writing is hardly delivered.
2. Unintelligent people always bring up this excuse.
3. When a joke has been good for over 20 years, it is still good even when copied word by word.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478684]So you say there is full employment for Germans.
[/QUOTE]It depends on how you define employment. In many countries (I'm not sure about Germany though!) if you work 1 h / week, you are considered in employment.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478859]Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.
Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.
Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.[/QUOTE]And than add those countries changes in GNP to the analysis. And then start examining excess mortality. True a lot of people died from covid in Sweden, but those people would have died from other causes in a few months time.
We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478847]Hehe, well as the story goes, map makers do add all these fake names and locations in order to avoid getting copied. So its a great joke. But shouldn't have to explain jokes. That's boring. Rather just tag along. On the same note, flat earth is also mainly a joke. And so are plenty of other conspiracy theories. Realizing which ones are jokes, and which ones are not jokes might be hard for some people. But whatever?[/QUOTE]Insert South Park episode here. I will be nice and not mention the Funnybot. [URL]https://youtu.be/ASfaSCmZiLQ[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2478859]Post is kinda already defeated before he even brought up the question as FKKs are already open in Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, and the lone club in Czech.
Try comparing Sweden's numbers to their cultural and geographic peers. 500 deaths per million versus 50 in Denmark, Finland, and Norway.
Like I said, western culture breeds selfishness especially when people refuse to see passed 6 feet in front of them.[/QUOTE]Haha, "cultural and geographical peers". You have no idea what you are talking about. Massive difference between those countries in terms of definition of CV19 deaths, population density, demographics, health status, immigration numbers, which all have a huge impact on the statistics. It is all a big totalitarian power grab from the politicians.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2478980]Well,
1. Jokes in writing is hardly delivered.
2. Unintelligent people always bring up this excuse.
3. When a joke has been good for over 20 years, it is still good even when copied word by word.[/QUOTE]My postal mail gets delivered. It's usually something in writing. I understand that English is a difficult language to master when it's learned as a second language so a pass may be given. I think a joke that originated in Germany has a slim chance of being considered good.
The most intelligent people I know don't work replaceable desk jobs for a 5 figure salary. They're either helping people, doing something creative, or at the very least bringing home a respectable paycheck. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2479002]Insert South Park episode here. I will be nice and not mention the Funnybot. [URL]https://youtu.be/ASfaSCmZiLQ[/URL].[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2478948]I don't understand the Swedish fan boys here. As Mursenary said, there have been ten times more deaths in Sweden than in Norway or Finland, the neighbor countries which enforced a lockdown during the peak of the epidemy. Even your government says that they should have handled things differently. Do they brainwash you in Sweden?[/QUOTE]In the US political and cultural wars in which Covid finds itself now, Sweden has been weirdly coopted by the Trump base. Just as they had coopted Brexit or the election of Marine LE Pen or even Victor Orban as one of their own, Sweden has become a cause celebre to Trump base due to their stance on opening and other issues. I am not going to sit here and judge whether Sweden did the right thing or not but I doubt that becoming a champion in fraternity and solidarity to the trump base is what the good Swedes had in mind. Hitherto if any one had celebrated Sweden in US it was mostly the liberals that did, pointing to Swedish and Scandi welfare societies as role models. Paul Krugman for example. I am sure Swedes are saying to Americans "leave us alone" LOL.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2479059]Haha, "cultural and geographical peers". You have no idea what you are talking about. Massive difference between those countries in terms of definition of CV19 deaths, population density, demographics, health status, immigration numbers, which all have a huge impact on the statistics. It is all a big totalitarian power grab from the politicians.[/QUOTE]While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.
Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.
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[QUOTE=Callypb;2479001]And than add those countries changes in GNP to the analysis. And then start examining excess mortality. True a lot of people died from covid in Sweden, but those people would have died from other causes in a few months time.
We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".[/QUOTE]Excess deaths in Sweden is double that of Finland and Denmark during these past 6 months.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL]
At the same time, let's be honest, Sweden may not have had an official government mandated lockdown but they did implement social distancing measures including mass efforts to work from home, 50 person gathering limitations were implemented, high schools students learned from home.
What's admirable is the people's self-imposed social distancing measures as seen in the reduction of leisure travel. Most nations in the world could not have expected their citizenry to do the same. No way you get Latin countries and the USA to be so disciplined without legislation.
". Swedes appear to be following such guidelines without the need for legislation. Trips from Stockholm to Gotland -- a popular vacation destination -- dropped by 96% over the Easter weekend, according to data from the country's largest mobile operator, Telia Company. And online service Citymapper's statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility in the capital."
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2478951]EL: yes there is full employment for native christian or European candidates. For immigrants there is often a language and cultural gap with make the things more difficult. I can tell you if you are cook, salesman, nurse, auto mechanic, electrician, carpenter, truck driver. You find easily a job in few days. Like every where if you don t speak the local language, you don t adapt to the local habits it is a hard to integrate in any country. It will be very difficult for you to find Asian unemployed people in Germany.[/QUOTE]Are you so sure in deep East part, in Chemnitz, Zwickau, Magdebourg and around. And in deep Rhur?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479076]While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.
Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.[/QUOTE]When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.
Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Götenborg, Malmö, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.
The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.
But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479109]When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.
Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.
[/QUOTE]16.7% immigrants in Sweden versus 14.2% in Norway. I would hardly call that "by far the most. " Definitely not enough to explain the 11 fold difference in death rate and 4 x difference in infection rate.
Sweden.
[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics[/URL]
Total:10 mil, Immigrant: 1. 6 m, 16.8%.
Norway.
[URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NOR/norway/immigration-statistics[/URL]
Total: 5 mil, Immigrant: 744 K, 14.2%.
Point to the OP, all else being the same, only difference between Sweden and other Scandinavian countries would be the official lock down measures. And it's not as if they didn't restrict movement. Secondary schools were shut, work from home was encouraged, domestic travel restrictions were enforced, large gatherings were banned. Sweden is not the shining light of non-lockdown intervention that you make it out to be.
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Are you so sure in deep East part, in Chemnitz, Zwickau, Magdebourg and around. And in deep Rhur?
EL, of course, you as a french guy, you know the situation, what is the employment rate in Neuilly, versus 93,94, I let you make a parallel with the immigration % in the different places, do you know the employment rate in Hungary, today in France it is impossible to get figures like % of jailed people with migration background, % of unemployment in the population with migration background. It is like asking a doctor to help you but you don t let him do any blood analysis. For me first we have to get the datas after that obviously not telling the people to leave but to work together an action plan with each individual to build him a future and not let them sell drugs and probably ending in jail or even worse be killed what is happening in France every day.
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When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.
Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.
The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.
But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.
EL: and what about Hungary which is consider as a poor country compare to the 4 you mentioned, 10 M, 6000 cases, 600 deaths, not so bad. The problem is not the app but also the mentality, and this is very hard to change. I don t know which Asian people you are thinking about, probably from Japan and south Korea))) In Hungary, there is a big Chinese and Thai community, also the biggest synagogue in the world is in Budapest, a big area around is occupied by Jewish people, all this in a very peaceful manner without any tension, never any terror attack, the Jewish don t want to leave like what happen in France, just the Hungarian Gouvernement is doing is job by protecting the citizen.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479109]When it comes to immigration among the 4 countries, Sweden has by far the most. Next up is Norway. Then Denmark. Then Finland. This is per capita based.
Covid cases in immigrant environments who does not read the news, and have their own society within the larger society (tribalists) have been shown to be far higher than among the native population. Especially in the larger Swedish cities such as Stockholm, Gtenborg, Malm, Oslo in Norway and Copenhagen in Denmark.
The health system in all 4 countries are about the same. And economic conditions is not a factor considering it is practically free.
But some legislation have differed. Mainly Sweden on one side and the 3 others on the other side. Even in Norway / Denmark / Finland, 99% has never use a face mask. But social distancing and a high degree of tracing the infected has kept the numbers low. This investigative work is the main reason the numbers are so low. And apps have been used in order to trace movements. But also these apps have not been used by tribalist immigrants. Especially from Somalia, but also from some Middle Eastern countries, and a few other Asian and African countries.[/QUOTE]But, deciding not to protect them, many old people died in Stockholm. Maybe Swedish don't like their grandmothers and grandfathers except Santa Claus, when Spanish and Italians love them and often live close to them. Nevertheless, Sweden have very high death rate for a country with very low population density, higher rate than in France where we all think we had much too many deaths from virus, even 90% were older than 65. And now, in our 2 biggest cities: Paris and Marseille, mask is compulsory in all public places, because we think we already had enough deaths. W
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According to the international labor office, if you have been working one hour during the week, you're not unemployed.
And this definition is widely used, every time there are international comparisons.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479076]Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.[/QUOTE]Even pre-dating pandemic, trust in the government is not particularly high. Conspiracy theorists must reason that the global elite are able to bribe the leading authorities in the scientific and medical community (like a Anthony Fauci). That in conjunction with using mainstream media allows them to brainwash the population. They probably also believe that the majority of the scientific and medical community is not in on this ruse, they are just merely sheep that are blindly following the Faucis of the world.
Here is an infographic I found interesting. It traces the levels of distrust with government by country. Among nations surveyed, France and USA show up at the bottom with 33 percent. Given the amount of protests, France's appearance at the bottom of the list is not terribly surprising. What is a bit surprising is that the level of trust increased in France between 2017 and 2018 by 9 percent, whereas in the USA, it decreased by 14 percent over the same time period. Do low levels of distrust in institutions allow conspiracy theories to flourish more easily? [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/22/the-countries-that-trust-their-government-most-and-least-infographic/[/URL].
Amongst millennials, widespread levels of distrust, in media, big business, federal government.
[QUOTE]It has spawned widespread distrust, both in organisations and individuals. A Pew study in 2014 found that only 19 per cent of millennials believed that others could be trusted, compared with 40 per cent of boomers and 31 per cent of the generation Xers born between 1965 and 1980. Millennial faith in institutions is also low. This generation is incredibly sceptical of governments and big corporations, says Keith Niedermeier, professor at the Wharton business school.
Malcolm Harris, author of Kids These Days, a book about why it sucks to have been born between 1980 and 2000, says distrust is only natural among a generation that has to struggle for security. If competition is the main feature of your world, you would be a fool to find people trustworthy, he says. The preference for local, organic and craft products is also logical, in his view: You want to be part of a circle of production and consumption that is not centred on enriching the 1 percent.
https://www.ft.com/content/194cd1c8-6583-11e8-a39d-4df188287fff.[/QUOTE]Above article also touches on how millennials consume media vastly different to previous generations. Beauty and fashion influencers are able to reach, connect, and resonate with wider, more fragmented audiences. The leaders of conspiracy movements I would categorize as just a different type of influencer.
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Escort with mask
Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2479264]Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.[/QUOTE]Incredible to have mask sex. How much did you pay for such level of sex?
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EL: sorry but what is the interest to have sex and pay for it if you can't come?
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[QUOTE=Callypb;2479001]We are not talking about saving lives with all these actions, we're talking about postponing death a few months or years for people. That are already dying. For what? So we can look back proudly and say "yes, we burnt the economy to the ground, but look at all the people we saved from dying of covid. Sure they are dead now, but we gave them an extra year to live".[/QUOTE]There's no major difference in economic outcome between the Nordics. In fact Sweden suffers more remaining restrictions because of its sloppy initial handling. Case in point, gatherings of 500 are now allowed in Finland because of the stellar suppression strategy. The Swedes do not dare to raise it above 50 yet. Sweden just killed off 10 x more people while experimenting with "herd immunity".
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2479264]Well it has finally happened to me. A hooker came to my place yesterday and insisted that she keep the mask on during sex. When she arrived she took it off for me to see her face. Trouble is she is facially the best looking hooker I have met here since I arrived from Germany in March. Her body, though, is not all that. I asked her what about BJ to which she responded that she will take if off for that but put it on during sex. Definitely no DFK which is the norm here. Refusing her would have meant no sex until today since meeting hookers is by an appointment system which is rather lengthy. So bang her I did. The sex itself was very good and I banged her feverishly in all positions to compensate for the wearing of the mask. I have not banged so hard in a long time. Trouble was, I could not come.[/QUOTE]Alright then! You are all set for masked re-openings at the FKK haha.
Seriously that was pretty funny. I guess she can be called one healthy hooker. Did she wear mask during reverse cowgirl or doggie? If so, how does that make sense given she takes it off during BJ? I am assuming she did not force a mask on you.
Were you too excited at having a chance to fuck a tute after a long time and that impacted? Or too much masturbation, LOL? When I visit FKKs, I do stay away from sex for a week or more in the US (not masturbation, which is not my thing generally) and I either end up with a very quick finish in my first room or I cannot finish at all. Both have happened.
Good report and congrats for breaking the drought!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479076]While perhaps those factors may explain some of the death rate differences between with Finland and Norway; not so sure Denmark has a significantly worse health status, more immigration, or lower population density which would have to be true to back your claims. As such, Denmark's deaths per million is around 100 to nearly 600 per million in Sweden.
Yes, a totalitarian power grab collaborated by every single world democracy in the world along with 90% of medical and public health professionals too.[/QUOTE]More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2479286]More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.[/QUOTE]If you start with the premise that most people are brainwashed and you are one of the few enlightened ones, then not much can shift can change your view, can it? If new facts are presented, you will dismiss them as alternate facts or fake news invented by those brainwashed people you disdain. The only facts you will accept are those that confirm to your already pre formed world view.
One wonders though -- if most people are brainwashed and have no independent thought or capable brain, wouldn't it be reasonable to think bright, objective brainiacs like you would be on top of the world and super successful and translate that superior ability into stupendous success and wealth?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479075]In the US political and cultural wars in which Covid finds itself now, Sweden has been weirdly coopted by the Trump base. Just as they had coopted Brexit or the election of Marine LE Pen or even Victor Orban as one of their own, Sweden has become a cause celebre to Trump base due to their stance on opening and other issues. I am not going to sit here and judge whether Sweden did the right thing or not but I doubt that becoming a champion in fraternity and solidarity to the trump base is what the good Swedes had in mind. Hitherto if any one had celebrated Sweden in US it was mostly the liberals that did, pointing to Swedish and Scandi welfare societies as role models. Paul Krugman for example. I am sure Swedes are saying to Americans "leave us alone" LOL.[/QUOTE]LE Pen is not elected in France. I won t vote for her but I think she is less dangerous than Trump.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2479253]Even pre-dating pandemic, trust in the government is not particularly high. Conspiracy theorists must reason that the global elite are able to bribe the leading authorities in the scientific and medical community (like a Anthony Fauci). That in conjunction with using mainstream media allows them to brainwash the population. They probably also believe that the majority of the scientific and medical community is not in on this ruse, they are just merely sheep that are blindly following the Faucis of the world.
Here is an infographic I found interesting. It traces the levels of distrust with government by country. Among nations surveyed, France and USA show up at the bottom with 33 percent. Given the amount of protests, France's appearance at the bottom of the list is not terribly surprising. What is a bit surprising is that the level of trust increased in France between 2017 and 2018 by 9 percent, whereas in the USA, it decreased by 14 percent over the same time period. Do low levels of distrust in institutions allow conspiracy theories to flourish more easily? [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/22/the-countries-that-trust-their-government-most-and-least-infographic/[/URL].
Amongst millennials, widespread levels of distrust, in media, big business, federal government.
Above article also touches on how millennials consume media vastly different to previous generations. Beauty and fashion influencers are able to reach, connect, and resonate with wider, more fragmented audiences. The leaders of conspiracy movements I would categorize as just a different type of influencer.[/QUOTE]Hence exactly why I mentioned that the internet media age is a breeding ground for conspiracy theorists to flourish. Information goes unvetted and weirdos are able to find each other and reinforce weirdo beliefs. Combine the plethora of bias and misinformation with people's natural mental laziness to do the leg work of vetting information, then bam, you get a ton of people that submit to the confirmation bias that you alluded to previously.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479271]EL: sorry but what is the interest to have sex and pay for it if you can't come?[/QUOTE]I've probably had a couple dozen rooms where I didn't finish. Enjoyed 90% of them.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2479286]More properly phrased "a totalitarian power grab by most previous democracies-turned-fascist states despite no scientific evidence that lock-down reduces the spread of the virus. " As WHO stated in its pandemic recommendation in November 2019, "under no circumstances should any country impose contact tracing, quarantine, entry and exit screening, or border closure. " Presumably WHO has carefully considered all aspects of a pandemic. Most countries went dead against the WHO advise which shows that it is all a power grab with no basis in science. But of course I understand the majority of people have been brain washed and scared to the extent they are unable to think logically.[/QUOTE]Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.
For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30201-7/ fulltext.
[URL]https://voxeu.org/article/effectiveness-lockdowns-learning-swedish-experience[/URL]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/20-256701.pdf?ua=1[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200715190744.htm[/URL]
Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.
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Is your only pleasure in sex, just to empty balls? Fortunately for me, I have much more enjoyable pleasures for sex and when I really enjoy, I try to control as long as I feel girl has stamina. On the other hand, when not interesting sex for me, like on my only room with Luana LR, when I felt getting me inside of her was difficult for her little girl vagina, then I did let go. Fortunately she was my first of the week end and even she was friendly in room, but no interest to repeat for me. Sometimes with some average for sex girls, I prefer not to finish or I dream about my past girlfriend. I remember my best FKK girl when I didn't finish at our end on September October 2017, telling me: You don't like me anymore? Nothing about pleasure when she was my best pleasure until our last day when had 2 really enjoyable rooms, but just matter of bad image. Can also be because of job stress or exhaustion because not sleeping or driving too much, but can have real pleasure without emptying balls. Pleasure in mind is so much more enjoyable.
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Lockdown the Old and Sick
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479355]Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.
For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.
Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.[/QUOTE]9 million Suicides!
2 million Small Businesses closed down!
Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!
No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.
The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!
Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.
Possible? Answer me that?
Most people are so lazy or so stupid they don't even understand the situation. You will fall into this category if you can't tell me why we shouldn't only lockdown the few hundred million non-working, old, sick, drains on society that are actually at risk from COVID-19!
What is your brilliant answer you sheep puppet?
I am so sick of being reminded how stupid the world is everyday I see people sharing their opinions rather than looking at the facts and comparing the data!
Wake up or lie down and die so the rest of us don't have to deal with your ignorance!
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Mursenary: As far as I understood him, that was exactly what Oregon was trying to say as well.
One thing about internet discussion that repeats themselves is that most people think they know everything. And there is a competition in trying to win. Whatever winning is.
Like the unstoppable force hitting an immovable object.
When that is said, most people are sheep, and brainwashed into following orders. 'Brainwashing' however is a negative phrase however. Some might call the same thing for 'enlightened'. It is the same thing, just from opposite viewpoints. One negatively framed word, and one positively framed word.
What this seems to relate to is the cognitive distancing of passive movement when being told or taught by a superior:
[URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-nazi-s-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind/[/URL]
In the same sense, a public newspaper, a TV station and a radio program works the same way. Ref The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory and perhaps especially Theodor Adorno.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/frankfurt-school-3026079[/URL]
Up untill the milennium there was however the idea that the Frankfurt School had been somewhat wrong, and that people were more swayed by informed 'friends', or people they knew. Which was a set of ideas formed at the Chicago School of thought (I can't remember the years this was proposed). But with internet, web 2. 0, google and all this red feed / blue feed. As well as the notion that most people seem to think they themselves knows best, the old Frankfurt School is making a a very very strong comeback. And some even claim it is irrefutably correct. Otherwise, people like Mursenary with absolutely 0 background in this field of study would listen to me. But he doesn't. Thus solidifying my point. And I also don't listen to a word of the vaccine jargon he jitters on about. Since I am anti-vax. I know better. Also solidifying this communication theory.
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Of course Mursenary can say he listens to McAdonis, because McA lifts more weights than Mursenary. That would be according to the Chicago school of thought.
But then comes the question weather or not this actually changes anything. Because McA also has 0 background in this field of study. He just lifts more weights. And he just becomes an intermediary who in turn was 'enlightened' somewhere himself too! So one can argue that the two different schools of thought doesn't interfere that much in the end after all. The Chicago school also claim that there is a mutual discussion involved between the two. But then there must be a final middle ground in terms of outcome. And I very rarely see that. .
Kinda related to this as well. Maybe you saw the Neuralink presentation last night. And have been following the topic regarding consciousness. If I have understood this correctly, then the idea is that some of the guys at Neuralink actually think they can possibly may decipher what consciousness is. And apparently Elon Musk and many of them don't believe in it. The same goes for Ray Kurzweil with his predictions. They all believe that we may some day just upload our thoughts to a robot and live on there. I don't know myself. I believe the idea is a bit too risky. But if they are in fact right, then that actually also proves pnce and for all both determinism, and the absolute idea that the Frankfurt school with their brainwashing techniques are / were correct.
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Think with Big Brain
Arts entrance price on their website (FAQ) will be 90 (EUR. Seem some sort of registration needed each time to go with girl -name, phone etc. No way to know if this controlled (probably not). But not point.
Think boys. Covid numbers up all over Europe. Berlin daily cases now 400% (4 X) higher than end May. Romania and Croatia very bad and home to many girls. Men will come from all over. Typical weekend many from north Italy, Sweden, UK. Rooms upstairs poor ventilation. Showers, big bar area also poor air ventilation, smokey. We know this aerosol airborne particles, crowding, loud talking is clear way to spread virus (even with mask). A few beers. Also girls who are there will be somewhat financially desperate, and men more than normal risk takers. Even if "healthy", many asymptomatic. So population will be skewed. Swiss clubs all open and Swiss numbers now high. Of course not only reason but can be role. This will not be like just riding you Bahn or going to office. It will simply be impossible to minimize exposure. Almost wonder if authorities not setting things up to close for good, having been unsuccessful in big raid. They would love excuse.
Final word on this. Of course all Covid hoaxers and invincible young people will know better facts.
Ninja have many great years there, many friends from A, and situation is very sad and frustrating. No doubt for a while things may be ok. Maybe. It will also be difficult to know as info reported will be delayed, if even reported. But until vaccine works and is widely available, in humble opinion, it is crazy risky to do this now. Could not be better way to spread things, all over Europe. Everyone must decide for self, obviously. But you cannot say you do not know.
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After Berlin events yesterday, let s see if Artemis will be allowed and how for sex, mask or not? After rush to empty balls, Swiss clubs and Globe are most often quite empty.
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Agree completely with that NInja. I won't go and I really want to. I have asthma so that is a big factor in my decision.
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Calculated risk
[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2479462]Arts entrance price on their website (FAQ) will be 90 (EUR. Seem some sort of registration needed each time to go with girl -name, phone etc. No way to know if this controlled (probably not). But not point.
Think boys. Covid numbers up all over Europe. Berlin daily cases now 400% (4 X) higher than end May. Romania and Croatia very bad and home to many girls. Men will come from all over. Typical weekend many from north Italy, Sweden, UK. Rooms upstairs poor ventilation. Showers, big bar area also poor air ventilation, smokey. We know this aerosol airborne particles, crowding, loud talking is clear way to spread virus (even with mask). A few beers. Also girls who are there will be somewhat financially desperate, and men more than normal risk takers. Even if "healthy", many asymptomatic. So population will be skewed. Swiss clubs all open and Swiss numbers now high. Of course not only reason but can be role. This will not be like just riding you Bahn or going to office. It will simply be impossible to minimize exposure. Almost wonder if authorities not setting things up to close for good, having been unsuccessful in big raid. They would love excuse.
Final word on this. Of course all Covid hoaxers and invincible young people will know better facts.
Ninja have many great years there, many friends from A, and situation is very sad and frustrating. No doubt for a while things may be ok. Maybe. It will also be difficult to know as info reported will be delayed, if even reported. But until vaccine works and is widely available, in humble opinion, it is crazy risky to do this now. Could not be better way to spread things, all over Europe. Everyone must decide for self, obviously. But you cannot say you do not know.[/QUOTE]Anyone going to a brothel during a pandemic is well aware of the risks involved.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2478987]It depends on how you define employment. In many countries (I'm not sure about Germany though!) if you work 1 h / week, you are considered in employment.[/QUOTE]Where I live it is 1 HR a month. All that is needed to be not included in the unemployment statistics. And the number to these part time employed are massive.
Even in USA, they just renewed how the official statistics works yet again in order to make the unemployment numbers seem lower. What they now did in USA will soon spread to Europe too I am certain of.
What they did in USA now was moving to a 'seasonally adjusted' figure. Meaning if you have a job only for 3 months a year, you are considered employed. So where I live that could mean like 3 hours a year. Go figure!
These statistics are as close to full blown lies as it can possibly get. Only idiots look at unemployment rates nowadays! Or people with brain tumors. In which case I feel sorry for them!
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Also people not included in the official figures are: students, people on maturnity / paternity leave, people on sickness benefits, people who has not had a job for more than 24 months, or people on vacation. This is both where I live, and also in USA.
I used to have a link to a page that showed the real unemployment rate of USA as it was counted back in the 1990's. And last year or two years ago it was at about 27% IIRC. In USA.
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Unfortunately the site has been censored and brought down it seems, but it still appears as a link if you google the following: [URL]shadowstats.com[/URL] alternate unemployment statistics.
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[QUOTE=DasBooty;2479481]Anyone going to a brothel during a pandemic is well aware of the risks involved.[/QUOTE]Not so sure, when You still see very old and really fat. Nevertheless, better to be aware about risky playfield, why I m surprised Germany allow Artemis to open.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479282]Alright then! You are all set for masked re-openings at the FKK haha.
Seriously that was pretty funny. I guess she can be called one healthy hooker. Did she wear mask during reverse cowgirl or doggie? If so, how does that make sense given she takes it off during BJ? I am assuming she did not force a mask on you.
Were you too excited at having a chance to fuck a tute after a long time and that impacted? Or too much masturbation, LOL? When I visit FKKs, I do stay away from sex for a week or more in the US (not masturbation, which is not my thing generally) and I either end up with a very quick finish in my first room or I cannot finish at all. Both have happened.
Good report and congrats for breaking the drought![/QUOTE]Fortunately she did not ask me to put a mask on; that would have certainly meant a cancellation on my part. Therefore, I got to suck on her boobs and do cunnilingus and kiss her all over her body. The wearing of her mask was probably to give her psychological security especially during missionary. Afterwards I spoke to the guy who runs the agency and he said that its up to the girl. I did bang one from the same agency subsequently and she did not wear the mask during sex but she said no kissing of the face. Bummer. However, I did climax this time.
I have been banging hookers here since April and this was the first to wear a mask during the deed.
I am not yet set for masked re-openings of FKKs until I come with a babe wearing a mask.
The cost was $400 for the hour.
BTW the girls arrive with their own thermometer and hand sanitizer, LOL. They check my temperature at the elbow upon entry and we both take a shower. It has just occurred to me that I could use the thermometer to check their temperature. I should probably do that next time.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2479472]Agree completely with that NInja. I won't go and I really want to. I have asthma so that is a big factor in my decision.[/QUOTE]You are right, take care of your health.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2479524]Fortunately she did not ask me to put a mask on; that would have certainly meant a cancellation on my part. Therefore, I got to suck on her boobs and do cunnilingus and kiss her all over her body. The wearing of her mask was probably to give her psychological security especially during missionary. Afterwards I spoke to the guy who runs the agency and he said that its up to the girl. I did bang one from the same agency subsequently and she did not wear the mask during sex but she said no kissing of the face. Bummer. However, I did climax this time.
I have been banging hookers here since April and this was the first to wear a mask during the deed.
I am not yet set for masked re-openings of FKKs until I come with a babe wearing a mask.
The cost was $400 for the hour.
BTW the girls arrive with their own thermometer and hand sanitizer, LOL. They check my temperature at the elbow upon entry and we both take a shower. It has just occurred to me that I could use the thermometer to check their temperature. I should probably do that next time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the incremental color. I guess I misunderstood and called it a drought but you have been active since April. Nice! $400 is slightly pricey, what is the quality of the girls? 8's and 9's at FKKs? My usual for sugar babes is between $200 - $300, and they are comparable to FKK girls at 8, the $200 may be 6 or 7. Occasionally I have gotten lucky to experience some 9's on the sugar babe circuit but it is pure luck.
You would not reject a girl if a girl has high temp, would you? Is the money collected upfront on credit card?
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Still in here screaming and crying with the exclamation marks because you aren't getting your way? The vast majority of the world doesn't want to do it your way, or the way that suits you best so you can get back to buying pussy. The sooner you accept what you cannot change the sooner your blood pressure will return back to normal levels. 9% of the deaths in the USA are of people under the ages of 54. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes. Most of the rest had quality of life. And no one is recommending lockdowns outside of temporary quarantines in some especially hard hit areas. For most people all that is suggested is social distancing, and when such is difficult or impossible, masks. As to the crying about suicides, to use your logic, anyone who kills themselves over this pandemic had serious mental health problems to begin with and would have killed themselves soon anyway. Lololol Plus I've yet to see any credible stats that show any significant uptick in suicide rates in my country. They did increase 35% from 1999 to 2018 but that's of course pre-pandemic.
But hey just keep screaming and spreading your misinformation in a monger forum and you'll likely live through this. Don't keep it all bottled up inside. Wink.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479407]9 million Suicides!
2 million Small Businesses closed down!
Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!
No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.
The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!
Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.[/QUOTE]
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The flaw with attacking lockdowns imposed in March and April is that such an attack is mainly based on hindsight. At least in the US, our federal government was very lax until March and wasted precious weeks in Jan and Feb. Part of that may be federal bureaucracy being ineffective and inefficient and partly because our President had personal political motives. Nevertheless, fact remains that those weeks were wasted. We were truly caught with our pants down so to speak. We saw what happened in NYC. Cuomo may have made some mistakes but there is no question that our systems were overwhelmed. If we had not done a national lockdown to the extent we did, it is obvious that many more would have died and perhaps would have spread in an uncontrolled manner. In the last 6 months we have improved our knowledge significantly. Now there are no lockdowns. Schools are open, colleges are open, shops are open, people are working. If economy is below full output level, it is because there are structural reasons and many people are still quite concerned about Covid. It is easy for some people to say "stop being afraid, go and live a normal life". That is your personal view and the people stating home and spending below normal have their own views. The economy is a result of all of us coming together.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479409]Mursenary: As far as I understood him, that was exactly what Oregon was trying to say as well.
Up untill the milennium there was however the idea that the Frankfurt School had been somewhat wrong, and that people were more swayed by informed 'friends', or people they knew. Which was a set of ideas formed at the Chicago School of thought (I can't remember the years this was proposed). But with internet, web 2. 0, google and all this red feed / blue feed. As well as the notion that most people seem to think they themselves knows best, the old Frankfurt School is making a a very very strong comeback. And some even claim it is irrefutably correct. Otherwise, people like Mursenary with absolutely 0 background in this field of study would listen to me. But he doesn't. Thus solidifying my point. And I also don't listen to a word of the vaccine jargon he jitters on about. Since I am anti-vax. I know better. Also solidifying this communication theory.[/QUOTE]You understood Oregon wrong.
Lots of loose connection babble ensuing. That's generally how conspiracy theorists get from "point A to point 4," logical voodoo where the dots that don't actually connect. Pretty much opposite of the scientific theory that we all learned in grade school. Par for the course here.
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479407]9 million Suicides!
2 million Small Businesses closed down!
Over $32 Trillion lost by the middle to lower classes!
No theories here "Genius" these are facts! You can take your efficacy of lockdowns down to not efficient at all mister smart guy.[/QUOTE]Source?
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479407]The craziest thing is these lockdowns are to protect those who are susceptible to COVID-19 and those are people over 65 years old or have poor health or weak immune systems!
Wouldn't your more efficient way be to lockdown those people and let the rest of the world get back to living? Doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't that be the better solution? So why aren't they doing that? I wonder why? Could it be they have different goals and agendas that make only locking down the few hundred million people in danger from COVID-19 not.
Possible? Answer me that?
Most people are so lazy or so stupid they don't even understand the situation. You will fall into this category if you can't tell me why we shouldn't only lockdown the few hundred million non-working, old, sick, drains on society that are actually at risk from COVID-19!
What is your brilliant answer you sheep puppet?
I am so sick of being reminded how stupid the world is everyday I see people sharing their opinions rather than looking at the facts and comparing the data!
Wake up or lie down and die so the rest of us don't have to deal with your ignorance![/QUOTE]Pulmonary fibrosis.
Too much MAGA energy in this post. Sad.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479411]Of course Mursenary can say he listens to McAdonis, because McA lifts more weights than Mursenary. That would be according to the Chicago school of thought.
But then comes the question weather or not this actually changes anything. Because McA also has 0 background in this field of study. He just lifts more weights. And he just becomes an intermediary who in turn was 'enlightened' somewhere himself too! So one can argue that the two different schools of thought doesn't interfere that much in the end after all. The Chicago school also claim that there is a mutual discussion involved between the two. But then there must be a final middle ground in terms of outcome. And I very rarely see that. .
Kinda related to this as well. Maybe you saw the Neuralink presentation last night. And have been following the topic regarding consciousness. If I have understood this correctly, then the idea is that some of the guys at Neuralink actually think they can possibly may decipher what consciousness is. And apparently Elon Musk and many of them don't believe in it. The same goes for Ray Kurzweil with his predictions. They all believe that we may some day just upload our thoughts to a robot and live on there. I don't know myself. I believe the idea is a bit too risky. But if they are in fact right, then that actually also proves pnce and for all both determinism, and the absolute idea that the Frankfurt school with their brainwashing techniques are / were correct.[/QUOTE]I run into a lot of people who consider themselves parts of various counter cultures. Some are creative or artistically gifted. Some are kind-hearted free spirits. But many others are just non-productive, pseudo-intellectuals who get their rocks off striving for the appearance of independent minded thoughtfulness. Funny thing is those people usually live lives filled with mediocrity. If they were so smart, why is it that those personality types often show no financial, social, physical, or professional success. You would think that gaming the system would be so easy for them. Hell, in a previous professional life, I met so many idiots pulling 7 figure years. The difference is that those idiots had balls and made moves while the pseudo-intellectuals criticize and judge but actually accomplish very little.
Living a five figure salary life, not contributing to society, with no social connections, no mentorship of the next generation, no internal sense of achievement, it's a terribly depressing existence.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2479553]9% of the deaths in the USA are of people under the ages of 54. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes. Most of the rest had quality of life.[/QUOTE]99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2479553]And no one is recommending lockdowns outside of temporary quarantines in some especially hard hit areas. For most people all that is suggested is social distancing, and when such is difficult or impossible, masks.[/QUOTE]Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2479553] As to the crying about suicides, to use your logic, anyone who kills themselves over this pandemic had serious mental health problems to begin with and would have killed themselves soon anyway. Lololol Plus I've yet to see any credible stats that show any significant uptick in suicide rates in my country. They did increase 35% from 1999 to 2018 but that's of course pre-pandemic.[/QUOTE]You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.
Those who have committed suicide are more brave than You or people like you who just accept politicians and rich people are evil and there is nothing we can do about it. "That is just the way it is", says the ignorant slaves. Committing suicide is better than being a slave.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479588]Source?
Pulmonary fibrosis.[/QUOTE]Mursenary,
You think healthy people are getting pulmonary fibrosis from COVID-19? Is that what your idiotic two word answer is trying to imply. Show me your source for that malarkey you incompetent sheep.
My source is the CIA world factbook data collection team. Those numbers are conservative and the real numbers will probably be much higher than 9 million suicides, 2 million small businesses closed down, and $32 Trillion in lost money from the middle to lower classes.
Let me remind you about some history:
Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?
Where are the Terrorists?
Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?
Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?
Where is Herpes?
Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?
Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?
Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?
Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?
Where is the communist threat coming out of Vietnam?
Where is the communist threat coming out of North Korea?
Where is your brain after being manipulated so many times?
You believed all of those lies in the past!
When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479536]Thanks for the incremental color. I guess I misunderstood and called it a drought but you have been active since April. Nice! $400 is slightly pricey, what is the quality of the girls? 8's and 9's at FKKs? My usual for sugar babes is between $200 - $300, and they are comparable to FKK girls at 8, the $200 may be 6 or 7. Occasionally I have gotten lucky to experience some 9's on the sugar babe circuit but it is pure luck.
You would not reject a girl if a girl has high temp, would you? Is the money collected upfront on credit card?[/QUOTE]The quality of the girls vary. Generally below FKK quality. The prices vary from $300 to $500 with $400 being most common and $500 very rare and depends on what the agency considers as quality. There is usually very little difference if any at all between what the agency says is $300 and what they charge at $400. I have had some $300 babes much nicer to my taste than some $400 ones. I have repeated a lot with a $500 babe who actually helps run the agency, she has the best pair of natural boobs you will ever see, is very clean and we have excellent chemistry. I have paid $600 once for a babe who I suspect was a girlfriend of the guy who runs the agency. This was about 9 years ago and she would compare with the best that FKKs have to offer.
You are very fortunate with sugar babes especially at $200; sounds incredible. I have written off SA and non-pros. For now.
At this time I would cancel a girl who has a high temperature or cough.
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Mursenary:
If all you manage to write in response are believed to be insults, I wonder if you are speaking out of your own background. Because these thing linger with me. And you have no idea what I earn, nor contribute, nor how social I am. I also lift more weights than you in some exercises, and I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479355]Another example of more bullshit inspired by selfish lack of perception reinforced by conspiracy theorists.
For those who prefer evidence-based conclusion making, here's a list of peer reviewed studies that support the efficacy of lockdowns. For the rest, shut the hell up and let the nerds do the work.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](20) 30201-7/ fulltext.
[URL]https://voxeu.org/article/effectiveness-lockdowns-learning-swedish-experience[/URL]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/20-256701.pdf?ua=1[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200715190744.htm[/URL]
Are there more efficient methods than lockdowns? Probably. To say that they are not effective is asinine and illogical.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the source material. Always interesting to read. Obviously it is not easy to conclude whether or not a lock-down is beneficial for this situation but given the severity of repercussions from a lock-down one would have expected some scientific rationale before such draconian methods were implemented. I just wanted to point out that perhaps the most qualified body in this respect, WHO, was completely against lock-downs in its recommendation from November 2019. As for the articles, the first one is written by one mathematician and one engineer, the second one from Lancet has been withdrawn (apparently due to serious issues with the methodology), the third one written by two economists, the one from WHO relates to China only (and we all know the background to the unfortunate lock-downs was based on WHO pressured to praise China's lock-down), and the final one was not clear to me who had written (BMJ). So most articles are modelling like the one from Imperial College in the UK which predicted millions of deaths in the UK even with a lock-down. We must be aware that most governments now need to justify the pain inflicted on its population by encouraging pro-lock-down articles. Overall, there is a lot of psychology in this but I am utterly unconvinced that lock-downs are the right method for this type of virus.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2479708]The quality of the girls vary. Generally below FKK quality. The prices vary from $300 to $500 with $400 being most common and $500 very rare and depends on what the agency considers as quality. There is usually very little difference if any at all between what the agency says is $300 and what they charge at $400. I have had some $300 babes much nicer to my taste than some $400 ones. I have repeated a lot with a $500 babe who actually helps run the agency, she has the best pair of natural boobs you will ever see, is very clean and we have excellent chemistry. I have paid $600 once for a babe who I suspect was a girlfriend of the guy who runs the agency. This was about 9 years ago and she would compare with the best that FKKs have to offer.
You are very fortunate with sugar babes especially at $200; sounds incredible. I have written off SA and non-pros. For now.
At this time I would cancel a girl who has a high temperature or cough.[/QUOTE]Sugarbabes are a ton of work. Sometimes it feels like a full time wooing game and I wonder if I can actually get some free ones if I had done that much wooing and spent that much effort at a bar or other meeting place. On average, the chances of success with a sugar babe are like 10%, I. E if I hit up 10 girls with a Hello, may be get to fuck one at a decent price. Perhaps even less, say 5%? But if I was willing to go up to $400 to $600, especially $600, I am sure the chances of getting the girl into bed are much higher, perhaps north of 50%. However, for 600 I am sure even the very top sugar babes will stay over for a couple of hours at least.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2479754] and the final one was not clear to me who had written (BMJ).[/QUOTE]It's very clear who wrote it, even for the semi-educated. It would be citation #1 in the journal references at the bottom of the article with a link to the PDF. Numerous well credientialed researchers were involved.
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743[/URL]
The other linked sources you tried to minimize were also plenty useful. That said, nothing is going to satisfy a conspiracy theory peddler. For them there's always something wrong with the analysis, the numbers are faked, the whole world is ganging up on Trump and the list goes on. Ultimately though your whining with do you no good. The world had taken a certain route with this, it's for the most part been the right one and you'll have to wait this out with the rest of us.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479751]Mursenary:
If all you manage to write in response are believed to be insults, I wonder if you are speaking out of your own background. Because these thing linger with me. And you have no idea what I earn, nor contribute, nor how social I am. I also lift more weights than you in some exercises, and I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.[/QUOTE]I think you're misusing the term linger. 5 figure salary. Poorly social due to being socially awkward. Obvious lack of athleticism making the final claims completely hilarious.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2477694]Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.[/QUOTE]LOL, no discipline whatsoever.
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479702]Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?
Where are the Terrorists?
Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?
Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?
Where is Herpes?
Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?
Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?
Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?
Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?[/QUOTE]There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479870]There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.[/QUOTE]Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.
If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479869]I think you're misusing the term linger.[/QUOTE]There was supposed to be a 'don't' in there. Hmm, did someone edit it? Hmm. Might have typed too fast.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479751]I have played sports are a fairly high level. Although an ankle injury kinda stopped me. Otherwise I'd have made a 10 figure salary off of football by now.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the redundancy everyone, but I just can't stop laughing. Dude just said that he's so athletically gifted that if it wasn't for that silly injury, that he would earn a 10 figure income. That's 1 billion. For reference, Cristiano Ronaldo is the only footballer to have earned $1 billion, over his his entire career! Other $1 billion athletes: Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher. What a cohort!
I've read delusions of grandeur on this board but this one takes the cake.
Here's to hoping that perhaps he was thinking of a 10 figure salary in Colombian Pesos, LOL.
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Mursenary: there is a difference between socially awkward, and not caring. Each time you claimed that, I was clearly not caring, and severely bored. You care so much sometimes to get accepted, that it seems desperate. These are kinda opposites I guess.
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Yeppers
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479870]There's some socio-psycho pathology going on here.[/QUOTE]He's presented quite the conspiracy theory collage. He's left out a few though, notably the moon landing hoax, Area 51, and there's been no mention of the Yeti, the Loch Ness Monster, or Bigfoot. Perhaps he's saving those for later, but make no mistake about it, Covid is a conspiracy theorist's dream.
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People who cannot perform neighter at a gym, nor in bed, and have a small dick and low testosterone production might want to stay off the drugs, and rather get on testosterone replacement pills. At least that is what I hear. Maybe then they might also feel as winners and feel that they may add creedence to other randomly unrelated topics of discussion.
I laughed at Master Mongers post. But maybe drugs makes one also lose the sense of humor. Unfortunately I am not sure how TRT affects ones sense of humor.
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479702]When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?[/QUOTE]Amen!
Most here seem to have no problem with rimming or DFK with a hooker, (who just had a CIM or rimmed another customer) yet now everybody is getting brainwashed by the government like scared sheep.
As people dream about a short term "solution" with a "vaccine" (interesting to see how that would work against a constantly mutating virus), they don't realize that this "solution" will mean the death of FKKs in Germany.
Except for a handful of dumb and desperate foreign sex tourists, most Germans will probably not register all their personal details at a P6 establishment. Right now, in every restaurant or cafe in Germany, you have to leave address and contact details.
Who wants to risk having to explain why you were contacted by the German health authorities to your friends, employer or wife, when a (false?) "positive case" gets discovered at an FKK club, and why they have to go into self quarantine? The way I know Germans and their active vigilance about privacy issues, I doubt that many Germans or even Europeans from neighbouring countries (like Belgians and Dutch visiting GT in Brueggen for example) will take that risk. It's these Germans and Europeans from neighbouring countries with their regular visits that keep FKKs financially afloat, and when they stay away, then it's game over for most big FKKs. Places like Sharks or Oase will end up like LR.
Sweden has almost reached herd immunity as "positive cases" there are dropping and dropping, but the politicians and media don't want to talk about that because there is no money or political power in herd immunity. Just like with cancer or AIDS, there is only money in a lifelong treatment (a CV19 "vaccine" that needs to be renewed every 3-6 months because of virus mutation) and political power in tracking the entire population that everybody gets vaccinated every 3-6 months again and again and again and again.
Read George Orwell's 1984 and you can see that very totalitarian society is founded on a state of a "permanent crisis. " Covid 19 provides the prefect excuse, but the dumb sheeple here are brainwashed by "war is peace" propaganda media.
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A rational voice in a sea of media induced panic:
[URL]https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-coronavirus-immunity-riddle[/URL]
Some key points;.
"Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, and a widely accepted hypothesis suggests that RNA molecules pre-date life itself. In this view, an RNA world came first."
"The main way we fight viruses is through T-cell responses, which kill virally infected cells. Interestingly, some studies have shown that up to 60 per cent of people apparently never exposed to Covid-19 still had T-cells that reacted to the virus — suggesting that you might not need to have had this virus to have protection from it."
"There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.
The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again."
"Written by.
Dr John Lee.
Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist."
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479702]99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.
Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.
You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.
Those who have committed suicide are more brave than You or people like you who just accept politicians and rich people are evil and there is nothing we can do about it. "That is just the way it is", says the ignorant slaves. Committing suicide is better than being a slave.
Mursenary,
You think healthy people are getting pulmonary fibrosis from COVID-19? Is that what your idiotic two word answer is trying to imply. Show me your source for that malarkey you incompetent sheep.
My source is the CIA world factbook data collection team. Those numbers are conservative and the real numbers will probably be much higher than 9 million suicides, 2 million small businesses closed down, and $32 Trillion in lost money from the middle to lower classes.
Let me remind you about some history:
Why just 5 months ago did the University of Alaska uncover that the government was completely lying about 9-11 and especially about building 7 of the World Trade Center towers and nobody is doing anything about it?
Where are the Terrorists?
Where are the weapons of Mass Destruction?
Where are the hundreds of millions of people with HIV / AIDS?
Where is Herpes?
Where are The cities nuked by Russia and The USA?
Where is the fuel that was never in 95% of the Russian nuclear weapons?
Why are there videos showing nuclear war causing the whole world to be blown up when in reality, if all of the Nuclear weapons In the world went off right now it would only make about 6% of the planet uninhabitable?
Why when Saddam Hussein asked the US Government if he could attack Kuwait to take back the land Kuwait stole while he was at war with Iran, did the US government tell him it wasn't any of their concern if he attacked Kuwait?
Where is the communist threat coming out of Vietnam?
Where is the communist threat coming out of North Korea?
Where is your brain after being manipulated so many times?
You believed all of those lies in the past!
When will you stop listening like sheep and start investigating like humans?[/QUOTE]Where is herpes??
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479702]99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.
Which part of 77 countries that are completely closed off from International Travel are you not aware of? Or the 87 countries that are making it very difficult to enter the country. If they said we could travel anywhere in the world and do anything we want but had to wear a mask, that would be fine.
You are a sick bastard, who only understands and cares about his own little tiny world. Most of the people who committed suicide were parents who could not feed or support their children. They couldn't ask for help because everyone is so terrified of other people right now. Many of them were people disgusted that the world could even imagine to agree to social distancing especially for numbers of such minuscule proportions. Some realized how evil the world is and that people were too ignorant or too selfish to make the world a better place and just decided to checked out.[/QUOTE]You seem to know a lot of the world's most kept secrets, really fascinating but you may get in trouble for revealing them in an open forum like this one. However, that makes me think that if you have found all this out, maybe, just maybe, they were not so secret after all.
You know what you should also question, the safety on aeroplanes and cars. Think about it. There are these 'so-called' experts who tell you when your car or a plane are safe to use, yeah right! Who is behind the safety industry of cars and planes? Maybe big corporations like Volkswagen, AirBus or Boeing? So, you think they really care about your safety? Nooo, the more planes / cars they make crash, the more they sell! So, if I was you, I would stop using cars and planes, that'll show it to the big evil corporations and to the mechanics and aerospace engineers.
Do not get me started on food safety. Do you know we have to rely on so-called experts to test the safety of the food for us? And we have to trust these people? Who is behind the food safety industry? Other big corporations I bet, which want to make us all sick just to make a favour to their pals in the pharma industry. They won't fool me, I'm now buying my own cows and chickens for the daily dose of milk, meat and eggs and I have already bought a fishing rod so that I can have fish. I will then dig a well in my garden for water and save all the animal fat from the cows to make soap. Yes, soap, do you really think that all the ingredients in the average shower gel are safe? No way, there are big corporations behind shower gels and they want to give you skin disease so that you go to Big Pharma to buy medicine. From now on, I will only use soap from animal fat, just how they used to do in the 1800's.
Ahhh the 1800's, good times, when the average life expectancy was just above 40 year old And you didn't even have to care about saving for the pension.
I've also stopped trusting electricians and gas engineers for checking the safety of the electric and gas systems. In fact, just because they've studied as electricians or gas engineers, that doesn't mean I cannot fix everything myself. So, the other day I started fiddling with the gas system and electric myself by following instructions I found on google. Everything was working perfectly for two entire days when an explosion reduced my house to a pile of rubble, but I think it exploded for what various electricians and gas engineers did over the years. Now I live in the woods, just how our Lord intended and I think that'll show it to the experts once and for all!
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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479901]Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.
If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.[/QUOTE]I know some good people here. How's 10 September?
[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Georgia[/URL]+Psychiatry+and+Sleep / at 33.8799845,-84.5151147,15 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x650 fe59 e078689 da!8 m2!3 d33.8799845!4 d-84.5151147.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2479914]Mursenary: there is a difference between socially awkward, and not caring. Each time you claimed that, I was clearly not caring, and severely bored. You care so much sometimes to get accepted, that it seems desperate. These are kinda opposites I guess.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pistons;2479963]People who cannot perform neighter at a gym, nor in bed, and have a small dick and low testosterone production might want to stay off the drugs, and rather get on testosterone replacement pills. At least that is what I hear. Maybe then they might also feel as winners and feel that they may add creedence to other randomly unrelated topics of discussion.
I laughed at Master Mongers post. But maybe drugs makes one also lose the sense of humor. Unfortunately I am not sure how TRT affects ones sense of humor.[/QUOTE]I guess not all of us can be 10 figure salary earning alpha male athletes. LOL.
People who stigmatize weed as "doing drugs," OK Boomer.
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Lolol
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479901]Can't debate the truth so instead you try to discredit the individual. If you don't work for the government you really should. You would fit right in with those low intelligence, morally deficient Ass clowns. You name the time and place and we can both get a psych eval and see which one of us is more psychotic or delusional.
If you don't want to meet then keep your ignorant comments about Other people who are far more intelligent than you, to yourself. You incompetent loser.[/QUOTE]First you rattle out a bunch of hysterical statements peppered with exclamation marks. Then you switch to question marks, with loaded questions that assume "facts" not in evidence. You are the one with the positive claims so the burden of proof is on you. And I'm sorry, but shouting in a monger forum doesn't now, nor will it ever constitute proof. Mercenary doesn't have to prove jackshit, you do, and what you need is credible source citations, which will not include kooky websites and social media.
P.S. BTW this "911 Truth" horse manure was put to bed years ago, plus you have about ten other conspiracies going on along with it. Get to work!
[URL]https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2479969]Some key points;.
"Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, and a widely accepted hypothesis suggests that RNA molecules pre-date life itself. In this view, an RNA world came first."
"Written by.
Dr John Lee.
Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist."[/QUOTE]In the medical field, we make fun of pathologists and radiologists. They're usually the ones who did pretty well in their studies but are usually too socially awkward or lack enough awareness to interact with society at large, or sometimes they are just assholes. Whatever the reason for their social ineptitude, we send them to the basement to work in dark rooms so they can only interact with computers and dead bodies. Point is, you can be expert in your field but still miss the big picture.
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And as I said before
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2479702]99.9% are either over the age of 65 and or have a preexisting medical condition. That 9% of the people under 54 would fall into the sick people category.[/QUOTE]Assertations in a monger forum do not constitute proof, so feel free to prove the above statements with credible data sources. There have been plenty of reports of individuals who died without "pre-existing conditions. " Even still so what? A 30, 40, 50 year old diabetic can live a long, happy and productive life. The same can be said for obesity, and they aren't typically labeled as "sick. " So you are picking and choosing your words to suit your agenda. A lot of lives are getting cut way short, and when a horse's ass gets on the internet claiming that "all those dying were about to die anyway" they are lying.
Over 65 huh? Someone recently created a post with a long list of all the Nobel Prizes winners who were over 65. There's a lot of living to be done beyond that age, just ask Donald Trump. But since you are up with casting people aside, would you like to volunteer first?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2479999]Do not get me started on food safety. Do you know we have to rely on so-called experts to test the safety of the food for us? And we have to trust these people? Who is behind the food safety industry? Other big corporations I bet, which want to make us all sick just to make a favour to their pals in the pharma industry. They won't fool me, I'm now buying my own cows and chickens for the daily dose of milk, meat and eggs and I have already bought a fishing rod so that I can have fish. I will then dig a well in my garden for water and save all the animal fat from the cows to make soap. Yes, soap, do you really think that all the ingredients in the average shower gel are safe? No way, there are big corporations behind shower gels and they want to give you skin disease so that you go to Big Pharma to buy medicine. From now on, I will only use soap from animal fat, just how they used to do in the 1800's.
Ahhh the 1800's, good times, when the average life expectancy was just above 40 year old And you didn't even have to care about saving for the pension.
I've also stopped trusting electricians and gas engineers for checking the safety of the electric and gas systems. In fact, just because they've studied as electricians or gas engineers, that doesn't mean I cannot fix everything myself. So, the other day I started fiddling with the gas system and electric myself by following instructions I found on google. Everything was working perfectly for two entire days when an explosion reduced my house to a pile of rubble, but I think it exploded for what various electricians and gas engineers did over the years. Now I live in the woods, just how our Lord intended and I think that'll show it to the experts once and for all![/QUOTE]Don't have anything quite as amusing to add. But since you bring up food safety, I would say that many dietitians and fitness gurus on YouTube, talk about how back in the 1960's, the American food industry bribed scientists to write biased reports that demonized fats. This ultimately made sugar-laden and processed foods a staple of the American diet. Half a century later, we are seeing the poor health outcomes that were brought upon by these addictive foods. Meanwhile people in Italy never really read these studies. They continued consuming generous portions of olive oil, and are much healthier and thinner. I suppose this plants a seed in conspiracy theorists and then a false equivalence develops (I. E the frame in which evil, powerful corporations will always bribe and influence scientists and government authorities).
[QUOTE]By the mid-1960s, however, researchers had begun wondering whether sugar might be related to heart disease. The Sugar Research Foundation paid three Harvard scientists todays equivalent of $50,000 to review the existing research on sugar, fat, and heart disease. Their analysis, published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), minimized the link between sugar and heart health and promoted fat as the culprit instead.
It was clearly a biased evaluation, says Kearns, who spent a year analyzing the communications between the industry and the researchers, as well as the studies included in the review. The literature review helped shape not only public opinion on what causes heart problems but also the scientific communitys view of how to evaluate dietary risk factors for heart disease, she says.
These tactics contributed to the low-fat craze, which began in the early 1970s and paralleled a rise in obesity, according to Kearns and Schmidt. Many health experts encouraged Americans to reduce their fat intake, which led people to eat foods low in fat but loaded with sugar (think SnackWells cookies). The trend is an example of how industry has deeply penetrated science in order to distort the facts about whats good for our health, says Schmidt, a co-author of the JAMA paper.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/12/412916/sugars-sick-secrets-how-industry-forces-have-manipulated-science-downplay-harm[/QUOTE]
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A bit of follow up
Hi, just a bit of follow up with a quoted post from a Pattaya expat in another section of this forum, and the numbers testify to the veracity. Scroll down and check the graphs. It should be the final word in these online Covid disputes, irrespective of the Tucker Carlsens and Rush Limbaughs who enrich themselves passing out disinformation, or the conspiracy kooks around the internet.
"Spoken just like someone that wants to go somewhere they can't. Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There have been no deaths here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. When Thai people are returning home they get bussed from the airport to certain quarantine hotels where they must stay for 14 days and be tested 3 times (not just show a phony photoshopped test at the airport. Yes I have buddies doing that in Dominican Republic). Maybe some countries are just not doing their distancing and quarantine shit right. I am happy to be in one where they did. " Mr Enternational.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/COVID-19/country/thailand/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480064]I guess not all of us can be 10 figure salary earning alpha male athletes. LOL.
People who stigmatize weed as "doing drugs," OK Boomer.[/QUOTE]Actually the year I was born had the lowest birth rate in my country in the last 100 years. So calling me a boomer would be an oxymoron.
Suuuuuuurr weed is the only thing. Well try some trt. Might help.
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McAdonis: I kinda agree with most of what you have written in the last couple of pages. Aside from mainly one thing. There are hardly and ways to categorize people in groups when it comes to which theories they believe in. The internet of today is not structured in the same way faith based religions are. And so each individual most likely have their own set of theories they subscribe to.
Alround covid there are probably tens of different theories. The same can be said about food additives. But usually they all lead back to selfishness. That is a basic human instinct. And when people see the need to deceive in order to get an improved outcome out of selfishness, that usually leads to machiavellian behavior.
What I believe: well, I believe the covid was fixed in the wuhan lab in order to cover up a global financial crisis. And all the big countries in the world were in on it. To save their own asses out of mutual benefit because capitalism is a structure that is falling in on itself.
When it comes to global warming, this is the biggest worldwide PR drama in the last decade. It is hard to say exactly what lies beyond, but there is something iffy about it. Because we do know for sure now that cloud seeding is being done on a massive scale globally, and the one undisputed thing all scientists agree on, is that clouds affect the temperatures globally.
Tectonic plates are also an interesting subject. Because it actually do seem as if the world is growing in size. And while it grows, the geographic poles move. What is causing this, I am not sure of, but it seems to happen in stages of accelerated growth, and then followed by a period with no growth. On and off. Even Einstein has admitted to believing in this theory. Yet, our school books are giving us this lie regarding tectonic plates, and drift.
And there two things: global warming and earth growth may be related. But this is just speculation on my behalf. But there certainly is something someone does not want everyone to know.
Look up Mario Buildreps YouTube channel. And here is the wikipedia page on the theory:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth[/URL]
Somehow the coverup of this thing feels very odd.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480149]Actually the year I was born had the lowest birth rate in my country in the last 100 years. So calling me a boomer would be an oxymoron.
Suuuuuuurr weed is the only thing. Well try some trt. Might help.[/QUOTE]Wow. Nostalgia to high school when "slow" kids told lame ass jokes but we all chuckled to be nice.
BTW, was that the same year Cristiano Ronaldo was born? What are the chances that not one but 2 billionaire football talents were born in the same year. LOL. Here's a tip, chill out on the lies. Be a better and more honest human.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480101]Don't have anything quite as amusing to add. But since you bring up food safety, I would say that many dietitians and fitness gurus on YouTube, talk about how back in the 1960's, the American food industry bribed scientists to write biased reports that demonized fats. This ultimately made sugar-laden and processed foods a staple of the American diet. Half a century later, we are seeing the poor health outcomes that were brought upon by these addictive foods. Meanwhile people in Italy never really read these studies. They continued consuming generous portions of olive oil, and are much healthier and thinner. I suppose this plants a seed in conspiracy theorists and then a false equivalence develops (I. E the frame in which evil, powerful corporations will always bribe and influence scientists and government authorities).[/QUOTE]Look what you did. You gave the resident conspiracy theorist a nibble of his own addiction! See the bullshit that ensued?
BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:
[URL]https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy[/URL]
Basically, the actual events were that the Sugar Research Foundation did fund the research into the effect of fats on cardiac health The Harvard scientists were compensated but the research was sound. Revisionists want to rewrite the story as if these researchers were bribed when they were, in fact, just producing sound research. Saturated fats and cholesterol do in fact contribute greatly to obesity and heart disease. Furthermore, ensuing dietary guidelines did recommend a low fat diet but they also recommended a low sugar diet also. Remember the food wheel of the 70's and 80's? Sugar was just a sliver, just like fats. Same for the food pyramid of the 90's, sweets and fats at the top of the pyramid.
What actually happened was the fight between Anti-Fat Ancel Keys and Anti-Sugar John Yudkin in which Keys' point of view prevailed. The truth was that both were right but Keys produced a sound 7 nation study while Yudkin did not produce much in the name of big data. In fact he was wrong in his view that saturated fats (red meat and butter) were harmless. We now know that unsaturated fats are the "good" fats (such as olive and avocados) and there is a difference between "goof" cholesterol and "bad" cholesterol.
Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.
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Pistons,
I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.
As for Covid origins, I had a lengthy argument with MacAdonis a while ago. I stand by my belief that commie China is evil, not to be trusted, and I am happy with my stance that it was it unlikely that the virus was man made. Mr Mac likes to see goodness in all all things, perhaps he is a fan of James Herriot. I never read him personally.
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Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.
What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.
Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.
I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.
Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.
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I would never lay blame on this corona outbreak on certain individuals for being pro capitalism. Hell, I believe in determinism, and that even these guys are nothing but sheep themselves.
The problem that created the string of event that lead people to panic over the collapse of world capitalism, well: automation is an oxymoron for capitalism itself. Yet absolutely vital in order to compete. So one thing cannot survive without the other.
We just need 2 things to fix it:
1. A one world government to avoid conflict.
2. A new set of blockchain currencies massively taxing wealth instead of labor.
Until now, implementing this system has been impossible, so there is noone to blame. But it is dead important to switch ASAP.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480238]Pistons,
I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.[/QUOTE]I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.
Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:
'Burn all the books!
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning[/URL]
What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.
A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.
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Pessimist: here is one documentary on it from 1982.
[URL]https://youtu.be/Othb0xsvZb4[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480265]Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.
What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.
Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.
I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.
Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.[/QUOTE]Okay?
Is it a conspiracy? No, no secret plan. Just one side producing sound research and the opposition unable or not investing the effort to do the same.
Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480179]BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:
[URL]https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy[/URL]
Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.[/QUOTE]As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/[/URL].
For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480346]As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/[/URL].
For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Right, same point. Sexy lies spread faster than boring truths. Your example illustrated how easy it was to sell people on a planned, clandestine conspiracy when the truth was just boring economics and presentation of research data.
I dare say that conspiracy theorists share that same characteristic with religious fanatics. Science and facts is boring so they defer to mythology and more interesting what ifs. Both share the same disconnect, lack of reason. Both are dangerous when they propagate their theories and mythologies as truths.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480277]I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.
Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:
'Burn all the books!
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning[/URL]
What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.
A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.[/QUOTE]Sorry, there is no "growing earth theory" for the simple fact that it is not growing. At least no credible theory. But if you must believe such a theory, so be it.
As for Einstein. It is not a question of what he believed. He was a scientist and the very best physicist of all time and it was not about what he believed (as if it is a matter of faith) but what he knew and what was proved. At first, Einstein's model of the universe was a static universe because at the time he proposed his general relativity in 1915, that was the understanding of cosmologists. In mid 1920's, Hubble established that there were galaxies; up to then, we knew only Milky way and did not even know about other galaxies. Einstein then abandoned his cosmological constant which he had introduced in his general theory model to make it work for a static universe (that in itself is amazing. The greatest scientist of all time tweaked his equation and randomly inserted a constant in his equation, as school kids do, just to make it work for the world that was known then). He called it his greatest blunder. Many years later, Alan Guth (among others) came up with the inflationary theory of the universe and this fits the current known observations about red shift. All of these talk about universe at massive scales. I. e. Space between galaxies which is much larger than the size of any galaxy itself. There is NO science which claims a given star system or worse yet a single planet is stretching as a result of some inflationary theory.
And sorry, there is tons of scientific research on this, and one does not have to watch any YouTube videos to know about these things. More important is to actually understand what is already existing in today's scientific realm.
All this said, I will leave you to your views. Your views are yours, mine are mine. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480336]Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, 100 billion. Who counts in $ anyway? Lets go pound!
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USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.
This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.
And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.
P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480346]For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hate that stuff, and it is spreading.
I have yet to read some studies on it though, but long clickbait headlines do have purpose (aside from just generating revenue per click). They make people click, and that in turn makes them more susceptible to actually reading the article. Unfortunately, those pictures there have no hidden article behind them, and there is nothing more to click on.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480373]And sorry, there is tons of scientific research on this, and one does not have to watch any YouTube videos to know about these things. More important is to actually understand what is already existing in today's scientific realm.[/QUOTE]I will not waste time responding to all of your post. At least since most of it is well answered in the 1982 documentary regarding the expanding earth theory that I linked you. YouTube is a great site where people can share information. You may not like YouTube, but it can have many purposes. For both good and bad. In this documentary, a professor at the University of Tasmania, who wrote a book on the expanding earth theory is interviewed. And he explains it all. Quite simple. He also was a lecturer at Yale.
Now to the idea of beliefs. The argument the critics usually come with against this growing earth theory; which is in fact nearly 150 years old, is that we do not know where all the new matter comes from. But I would argue that this might either be related to some quantum physical black / white hole phenomenon. Or some higgs boson concentration where gravity is higher. Or a combination of both.
But I hope for the sake of your own credibility that we can agree on one thing: physics are jammed full of theories. Proof only goes so far.
This however has not been proven either way, but I am leaning towards saying the expanding earth theory has the highest chance of being right. 80-20.
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Pessimist:
1. How do you explain the Mars surface with the tectinic drift theory without any expansion of the planet?
As we do see a rift opening, but there are no signs of any plates moving underneath another plate.
Or are Earth a one of a kind? Just like the old idea where we believed the earth was the center of the solar system?
2. How do you explain the size of the dinosaurs unless earths gravity was far weaker in the past? Or perhaps even that the 100 million year old bones themselves also have expanded since they died?
Some of whom would have dangerous neck injuries just from turning 90 degrees.
3. If the continents that formed Pangaea have moved apart since then (as in the Atlantic ocean, Indian ocean etc), how can the pacific ocean still be almost half a hemisphere?
Remember the Pangaea continent alone was just over half a hemisphere by itself too. We see that in earth samples showing where the poles and equator was.
4. All the seafloor is very newly formed on the earth. American geological satellites have confirmed this. And hardly any ocean floor is more than 50 million years old. Except for parts of the Mediterranean. And there are no subduction zones as mountains grow where the expansion is on land instead of on the seafloor. In fact, all the most recent seafloor are on mountain ridges underneath the oceans. But the land crust is making it harder for the lava to break through, so we get a bulge or a spike upwards instead.
5. Why would only the universe expand at an accelerated pace, and not everything within it? Are you saying there are no universal laws of physics? Or does you physics only work where you allow it to?
6. The amount of books written on religion and how the earth was the center of the universe was in the thousands before Gallileo Gallilei got hanged for questioning the beliefs of thousands of scholars.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480382]USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.
This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.
And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.
P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.[/QUOTE]I like soccer too and I do pretend like I know what I am talking about when I sit and watch these games in FKK lounges LOL. However, I can never understand why Messi is supposed to be the best of all time when he can't win shit playing for his country. And I secretly admit I do enjoy seeing the penalty shootouts after 90 minutes of tied score. BTW, why can't the English ever win anything and please no tall tales of some long gone glory days eons ago.
But yes, real football is played in USA while they do play authentic soccer in Europe and a more aesthetic game down in Brazil (used to).
Peace.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480382]USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.
This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.
And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.
P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.[/QUOTE]Got caught in a lie, now deflects with jokes and insults. Would fit in great in the our American White House.
$1 billion athlete. Still laughing that he thought that would go unnoticed. What a blow to credibility for future claims. LOL.
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Heads up for USA mongers
Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?
[URL]https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2480433]Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?
[URL]https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/[/URL][/QUOTE]Just checked my news feed and it's true. United plans to start flying to Frankfurt again. This is indeed good news and a step in the right direction for US mongers. But we still need for the clubs to open again, and for quarantine restrictions to be lifted as well. Until those two things happen too, I won't be journeying to Germany on vacation.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2480433]Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?
[URL]https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2480433]Flights resuming from IAD to Frankfurt und Wien. What's up with a travel ban to EU?
[URL]https://wtop.com/business-finance/2020/09/lufthansa-austrian-airlines-resume-dulles-service/[/URL][/QUOTE]I won't be travelling to Germany until:
(1) FKKs are open and fully operational; and
(2) There is no quarantine period for US arrivals.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480402]I like soccer too and I do pretend like I know what I am talking about when I sit and watch these games in FKK lounges LOL. However, I can never understand why Messi is supposed to be the best of all time when he can't win shit playing for his country. And I secretly admit I do enjoy seeing the penalty shootouts after 90 minutes of tied score. BTW, why can't the English ever win anything and please no tall tales of some long gone glory days eons ago.
But yes, real football is played in USA while they do play authentic soccer in Europe and a more aesthetic game down in Brazil (used to).
Peace.[/QUOTE]1. Messi is the best of all time in my view mainly because of 3 things: First, his constant overview of the game and where every player is. Second, his frequency in how he moves with the ball (not to be confused with speed). Thirdly, his touch of the ball. A combination of these factors makes him better than Ronaldo and others. It is just bad luck that his teammates, and coaches have not been the best always. But that is how it is, especially with national teams.
2. Because the English mentality of tacklings work less and less at higher levels. And thus English football players get brainwashed early into a type of play that is not too efficient at the very top. I assume it would be better for British youngsters to have other focus in their heads while playing. But, it is objectively looking better now for them than in a very long time.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480404]Got caught in a lie, now deflects with jokes and insults. Would fit in great in the our American White House.
$1 billion athlete. Still laughing that he thought that would go unnoticed. What a blow to credibility for future claims. LOL.[/QUOTE]1 trillion £.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480401]Pessimist:
1. How do you explain the Mars surface with the tectinic drift theory without any expansion of the planet?
As we do see a rift opening, but there are no signs of any plates moving underneath another plate.
Or are Earth a one of a kind? Just like the old idea where we believed the earth was the center of the solar system?
2. How do you explain the size of the dinosaurs unless earths gravity was far weaker in the past? Or perhaps even that the 100 million year old bones themselves also have expanded since they died?
Some of whom would have dangerous neck injuries just from turning 90 degrees.
3. If the continents that formed Pangaea have moved apart since then (as in the Atlantic ocean, Indian ocean etc), how can the pacific ocean still be almost half a hemisphere?
Remember the Pangaea continent alone was just over half a hemisphere by itself too. We see that in earth samples showing where the poles and equator was.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.
On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.
Have a nice day. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480393]this growing earth theory; which is in fact nearly 150 years old, is that we do not know where all the new matter comes from. But I would argue that this might either be related to some quantum physical black / white hole phenomenon. Or some higgs boson concentration where gravity is higher. Or a combination of both.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2480532]I won't be travelling to Germany until:
(1) FKKs are open and fully operational; and
(2) There is no quarantine period for US arrivals.[/QUOTE]Agreed. What is the point of bouncing to Frankfurt if you're going to get slammed with a 10 day or 14 day self-quarantine? And then most of the clubs are closed anyway?
Maybe someone can chime in with die schweiz situation? Is there a self-quarantine in Zurich? Teuer oder nicht, Globe is starting to sound better and better LOL.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2480613]Agreed. What is the point of bouncing to Frankfurt if you're going to get slammed with a 10 day or 14 day self-quarantine? And then most of the clubs are closed anyway?
Maybe someone can chime in with die schweiz situation? Is there a self-quarantine in Zurich? Teuer oder nicht, Globe is starting to sound better and better LOL.[/QUOTE]There is a list: [URL]https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/empfehlungen-fuer-reisende/quarantaene-einreisende.html[/URL].
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I hope right now while 1000+ Americans die per day, we Germans don't want anybody from those super spreader countries in our country.
Our numbers are good and I hope it stays this way until the vaccination begins!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480609]Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pessimist;2480589]Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.
On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.
Have a nice day. Cheers.[/QUOTE]His tactics are always the same. Bafflegab and Gish Gallop are 2 common disingenuous strategies used by unscrupulous debaters.
The first, baffle gab, is defined as "pretentious, incomprehensible, or overly technical language. " It's used to come off as knowledgeable but the user of these terms may only have a superficial familiarity or rudimentary understanding of the terms and principals.
The latter is similar in that it also involves large volumes of bullshit covered in a thin coat of fact.
Gish Gallop: "Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can't address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting / misusing / misstating the actual situation."
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480382]USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.
This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.
And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.
P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.[/QUOTE]Did I read this correctly? A Norwegian talking shit about football? A country's whose national team currently comes in at an impressive 44th in the FIFA world rankings with terrible USA at 22. A country that made it passed the World Cup group stage all of once compared to the 4 from the USA? Apparently Norwegians don't know shit about football either.
[URL]https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480573]1. Messi is the best of all time in my view mainly because of 3 things: First, his constant overview of the game and where every player is. Second, his frequency in how he moves with the ball (not to be confused with speed). Thirdly, his touch of the ball. A combination of these factors makes him better than Ronaldo and others. It is just bad luck that his teammates, and coaches have not been the best always. But that is how it is, especially with national teams.
2. Because the English mentality of tacklings work less and less at higher levels. And thus English football players get brainwashed early into a type of play that is not too efficient at the very top. I assume it would be better for British youngsters to have other focus in their heads while playing. But, it is objectively looking better now for them than in a very long time.[/QUOTE]In his own country, whatever all drugs, but best for Argentinians is Maradona. In Barcelona which helped him to grow up when he had problems and they paid all medecines, since Pujol and Xavi, other players have to play for him or they have problems like Etoo had, only Iniesta was a bit free for playing. Messi is kind of political footballer like was Beckhenbauer who didn t want Gunter Netzer who was a top player, and for a faithful guy like me, Messi just has a really bad behavior about Barcelona which made him. Out of Barcelona, he is nothing, he is not Pelé nor Garrincha, when CR7 I don t like so much, but won with MU, Real, Juve and Portugal. Only money and golden balloons now for him, when as written at the bottom of Mortirolo: follow your passion, I climb for this, like I ran after the ball with my dog when I was a child, just for pleasure and passion. He changed like WGs.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480609]Sorry to say, but these sentences are simply incoherent and sounding like totally uneducated babble. I think you said your field is anthropology or some other science. For sure it is not Physics and the above sentences will not be written by anyone who even has taken high school level physics. Again, I am sorry to be harsh because normally I enjoy reading your posts. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I am way above you.
And if you want to quote me again, start at the beginning of a sentence.
Any high school child knows that if you want to quote someone, you do not start mid way into a sentence. But I will report for doing this.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480589]Sorry, I don't even know what to make of your questions or you thinking in your mind that somehow asking these questions proves your planet stretching theory.
On #5, the answer is gravity. And the part about accelerated inflation applies to empty space, and as I said "it is just A theory". That theory says the empty space between galaxies is getting stretched. It is a very difficult concept to understand. But you are just throwing whatever questions come to your mind, instead of understanding what the inflation theory even is implying.
Have a nice day. Cheers.[/QUOTE]You start off this discussion by claiming the expanding earth theory does not exist. Because you haven't even heard about it.
Then you move on to stating that all I have is a theory, thus making it false.
And you continue by not even understanding my questions (great show of intelligence BTW).
And you end by saying that you narrow ideas on physics are just theories as well.
Congratulations. You get an F.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480691]Did I read this correctly? A Norwegian talking shit about football? A country's whose national team currently comes in at an impressive 44th in the FIFA world rankings with terrible USA at 22. A country that made it passed the World Cup group stage all of once compared to the 4 from the USA? Apparently Norwegians don't know shit about football either.
[URL]https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ah, Norwegian! Did not know. I wonder why he is bragging about football then (or dissing USA). Why not Chess? Magnus is just about god, in today's chess scene.
But like in many other fields, in chess too, all the world's best do want to migrate to US. Our best are Nakamura (JP), Caruana (Italy). So (Philippines), Dominguez Perez (Cuba).
Perhaps Magnus will also migrate to US? I bet that will send Norway into apoplexy.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480745]You start off this discussion by claiming the expanding earth theory does not exist. Because you haven't even heard about it.
Then you move on to stating that all I have is a theory, thus making it false.
And you continue by not even understanding my questions (great show of intelligence BTW).
And you end by saying that you narrow ideas on physics are just theories as well.
Congratulations. You get an F.[/QUOTE]Not a problem. I understood your questions but considered them irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't pretend to know anything about anthropology or health sciences or any of the other topics on which you write frequently, but if your understanding of those subjects is as deep as what you display here in your understanding of Physics, I have to wonder. In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.
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Well you must know by now.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480933]Not a problem. I understood your questions but considered them irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't pretend to know anything about anthropology or health sciences or any of the other topics on which you write frequently, but if your understanding of those subjects is as deep as what you display here in your understanding of Physics, I have to wonder. In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.[/QUOTE]That monger forums are one of best places in the world to meet very important people. The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480933] In any case, I want to congratulate you for being a professional footballer, a past (current?) super millionaire based on what you said, a genuine expert in multifarious subjects ranging from anthropology, geology, cosmology, Physics, crypto currency, bio-pharma, medicine, economics, history, paleontology, and many others. Highly admirable.[/QUOTE]That is just the top of the mountain!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480880]Ah, Norwegian! Did not know. I wonder why he is bragging about football then (or dissing USA). Why not Chess? Magnus is just about god, in today's chess scene.
But like in many other fields, in chess too, all the world's best do want to migrate to US. Our best are Nakamura (JP), Caruana (Italy). So (Philippines), Dominguez Perez (Cuba).
Perhaps Magnus will also migrate to US? I bet that will send Norway into apoplexy.[/QUOTE]High IQ is rarely born in the USA you mean?
You have to pay them to come over, as with Italian Caruana? Because everyone who knows the story there, should know that that was exactly what you did!
Comparing a small country of 5 million to one of 330 m is also rather idiotic in terms of football. And your best current footballer got Croatian parents, and was eligible to play for Croatia. So hardly had anything do with American talent work! (In a way kind of like France, who in turn robs Africa of talent).
Looking at the wikipedia page of USAs national teams biggest defeat, it was interestingly an 11-0 loss to Norway. Again, a country with less than 2% of the population of the USA. Not that Norway is the best in football. Although for women we've won both the Olympics and the world cup, and had a ballon the'or winner 2 years ago. We have issue especially with the weather, causing grass to be a big problem for most of the year. This is anything but good for talent work. Just now, the first artificial turn generation is coming up, and player by player our top 11 is far better than the top 11 on the US national team. Just comparing player values on transfermarkt should be an indication. Rankings can lie. But we also have a sleepy coach who is a xxxx in terms of team composition, and lacks pep talk abilities. So what do you know?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480950]The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.[/QUOTE]Or hiding behind a pillar when they're so small they can't climb easily on the stool.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480961]High IQ is rarely born in the USA you mean?
You have to pay them to come over, as with italian Caruana? Because everyone who knows the story there, should know that that was exactly what you did!
Comparing a small country of 5 million to one of 330 m is also rather idiotic in terms of football. And your best current footballer got Croatian parents, and was eligible to play for Croatia. So hardly had anything do with american talent work! (In a way kind of like France, who in turn robs Africa of talent).
Looking at the wikipedia page of USAs national teams biggest defeat, it was interestingly an 11-0 loss to Norway. Again, a country with less than 2% of the population of the USA. Not that Norway is the best in football.[/QUOTE]Aw, talked shit, can't back it up. "But our women are pretty good. " LOL.
Sit down. Norwegians are just the hick cousins of the much more civilized Swedes.
If Norway was an American state, they would be West Virginia. Inbred mountain folk.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480721]In his own country, whatever all drugs, but best for Argentinians is Maradona. In Barcelona which helped him to grow up when he had problems and they paid all medecines, since Pujol and Xavi, other players have to play for him or they have problems like Etoo had, only Iniesta was a bit free for playing. Messi is kind of political footballer like was Beckhenbauer who didn t want Gunter Netzer who was a top player, and for a faithful guy like me, Messi just has a really bad behavior about Barcelona which made him. Out of Barcelona, he is nothing, he is not Pel nor Garrincha, when CR7 I don t like so much, but won with MU, Real, Juve and Portugal. Only money and golden balloons now for him, when as written at the bottom of Mortirolo: follow your passion, I climb for this, like I ran after the ball with my dog when I was a child, just for pleasure and passion. He changed like WGs.[/QUOTE]Everyone is reliant on good teamplayers. Football is a team sport!
To say see Ronaldo did not have good teammates in all those clubs would be a lie. He didn't even play the euro finals Portugal won!
I bet you Messi would be much better in Man City than he currently is in Barcelona.
But as I alluded to, Messi has a very draining frequency when he has the ball, so he cannot run as much. That is why he might be even more reliant on good team mates than say Ronaldo is. Who is more fit.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480950]That monger forums are one of best places in the world to meet very important people. The same can easily be found perched on bar stools around any monger venue. Just by them a drink and they'll tell you all about it.[/QUOTE]Very true. Imagine you got lucky enough to be sitting next to Mario Gomez on a plane journey. Now, imagine this Mario also happened to have the brains of Einstein, the funny lines of David Letterman and the brilliance of Bono. Sometimes we do get lucky like that on this site.
In case there is a Seinfeld fan here, they might like this little snippet in this context.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JetECtaq4OU[/URL]
George: So what have you been doing with yourself?
Jerry: I'm I'm a comedian.
George: Ah ha, well, I really wouldn't know about that. I don't watch much TV. I like to read. So what do you do, a lot of that "did you ever notice?" this kind of stuff.
Jerry: Yeah, yeah.
George: It strikes me a lot of guys are doing that kind of humor now.
Jerry: Yeah, yeah, Well, you really got bald there, didn't you?
George: Yeah, yeah.
JERRY: You really used to have a think full head of hair.
George: Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess I started losing it when I was about twenty-eight right around the time I made my first million. You know what they say. The first million is the hardest one.
Jerry: yeah, yeah.
Lois: What do you do?
George: I'm an architect.
Lois: Have you designed any buildings in New York?
George: Have you seen the new addition to the Guggenheim?
Lois: You did that?
George: Yep. And it didn't take very long either.
Jerry: Well you've really built yourself up into something.
George: Well, well, I had a dream, Jerry.
Jerry: Well, one cannot help[ but wonder what brings you into a crummy little coffee shop like this.
George: Well, I like to stay in touch with the people.
Jerry: Ah, you know you have a hole in your sneaker there. What is that canvas?
George: You know my driver's waiting, I really should get running. Good to see you guys again.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2481022]Everyone is reliant on good teamplayers. Football is a team sport!
To say see Ronaldo did not have good teammates in all those clubs would be a lie. He didn't even play the euro finals Portugal won!
I bet you Messi would be much better in Man City than he currently is in Barcelona.
But as I alluded to, Messi has a very draining frequency when he has the ball, so he cannot run as much. That is why he might be even more reliant on good team mates than say Ronaldo is. Who is more fit.[/QUOTE]Of course Messi is very skillful, but look who were Garrincha, Pelé, Brazilian Ronaldo, Johann Cruyiff, but too selfish, unfaithful, behaving like a WG, he is not a respectful man for me, very disappointing, even Bartomeu is not good president, but Barcelona was right to show him there is a contract to respect. Many very good players couldn't succeed at Barcelona because of him, he is not a good team mate, he plays only for himself since Iniesta, why he never succeeded with Argentina where many great players but he doesn't want to play with them.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2481009]Aw, talked shit, can't back it up. "But our women are pretty good. " LOL.
Sit down..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/sports/olympics/final-medal-count-norway.html[/URL]
Fact is that we win so much that most of the time we just loose in order to keep up television interest in other nations.
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If you had taken the world cup results of all the disciplines into account 2-3 weeks before that Olympics, we'd have 50% more medals. So yes, sharing was a large part of it.
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The Scamdemic
Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629[/URL]
Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481284]Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629[/URL]
Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.[/QUOTE]We don't know the price of the vaccine yet; there may be multiple vaccines.
The following is a snippet from WSJ.
Many other Media articles also said pricing is yet to be decided.
As a person with private personal insurance that my employer pays for, I have never paid a dime for any flu vaccine. Not even a co pay.
At my kids' schools, the school arranges for all the kids to be given a flu vaccine on a given day of school in the fall. Parents can opt out if they are against vaccines.
I am still trying to figure out the reason behind your claim "Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship".
Why Millennials? Are they the only generation taking the corona vaccine? How do you know? What if Gen Xers or Boomers or GenZers take the vaccine?
How are they upsold? If most millennial people are on private insurance, they too likely will not pay for it out of pocket. It will be covered by the insurance.
Why are they naive? Is anyone who does not confirm to your random claim on any subject to be called "Naive"?
Who is the "corona dictatorship"? Care to identify some people by their names who make up this dictatorship? Would that be trump who is directing CDC to tell all the states to be ready for a vaccine by November? Is that the entire CDC organization? Is that Fauci? Is that Pfizer, Astra, Moderna, and other commercial vaccine makers? Who exactly are part of this corona dictatorship?
Johnson & Johnson said it agreed to provide 100 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine for use in the USA, in exchange for more than $1 billion from the federal government, implying a per-dose price of about $10. J&J previously received $456 million in USA Funding to develop its vaccine.
Meanwhile, Moderna Inc. Said it signed small-volume supply contracts with governments at prices ranging from $32 to $37 a dose, which would mean a two-dose regimen could cost as much as $74.
Moderna didn't disclose the countries, but Canadian officials said they signed a Moderna supply agreement.
The contracts suggest drugmakers are making different calculations on pricing, as they race to develop a successful coronavirus vaccine. J&J and AstraZeneca have pledged not to earn a profit during the pandemic, while Moderna and Pfizer Inc. Say they will.
Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE said Tuesday they signed a contract to supply doses of a Covid-19 vaccine to Canada, but didn't disclose financial terms.
Under a deal announced last month, the USA Agreed to pay Pfizer and BioNTech $1. 95 billion for 100 million doses, which suggests a price of $19.50 a dose and $39 for two doses. AstraZeneca, meanwhile, agreed to provide 300 million doses to the USA For $1. 2 billion, implying a cost of $4 a dose. An AstraZeneca spokesman said the funding also covers development and clinical testing.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481284]Some more interesting facts about the "Second Wave" and all the scaremongering;.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629[/URL]
Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship.[/QUOTE]Those are misleading titles as there is no such thing as a dead virus. Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell. It is technically possible to detect fragments of viral particles via a test and come up as positive, but that is probably a very rare event as fragments of virus, bacteria and other external agents are rapidly degraded by the immune system. In biology is never black or white but it is always a mix of various events. Having said that, I understand how you could have been misled by those titles, particularly if you don't have a scientific background.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481358]Who is the "corona dictatorship"? Care to identify some people by their names who make up this dictatorship? Would that be trump who is directing CDC to tell all the states to be ready for a vaccine by November? Is that the entire CDC organization? Is that Fauci? Is that Pfizer, Astra, Moderna, and other commercial vaccine makers? Who exactly are part of this corona dictatorship?[/QUOTE]Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2481384] Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell.[/QUOTE]But humans can not live in outer space too. Are humans then a virus on planet earth? And therefore, not a living entity?
Your logic regarding the definition of life is thus flawed, as earth with its gravitational force, air and water can be compared to a cell.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2481403]Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?[/QUOTE]Well, if he had said vaccines are a waste of time, or they will not work, or I am against all vaccines or even his prior claim about Corona being a global coordinated scam that is one thing.
But it is a different matter when the price is not known yet, doesn't look like the vaccine will be very pricey, will be more or less free for most people, it is not clear how he says it is an upsell and why only millennial are to blame and what marks them as especially naive.
Now, Asian dudes paying 300 euros for 10 minutes of sex at Oase to well known Asian hunters can be called an upsell and them called naive, although not all of them are millennial and some may not be Asian at all.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2481384]Those are misleading titles as there is no such thing as a dead virus. Virus are not living biological entities as they can only multiply when they come into contact with a host cell. It is technically possible to detect fragments of viral particles via a test and come up as positive, but that is probably a very rare event as fragments of virus, bacteria and other external agents are rapidly degraded by the immune system. In biology is never black or white but it is always a mix of various events. Having said that, I understand how you could have been misled by those titles, particularly if you don't have a scientific background.[/QUOTE]It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481358]We don't know the price of the vaccine yet; there may be multiple vaccines.
I am still trying to figure out the reason behind your claim "Naive Millennial mongers will be upsold a "vaccine" by the Corona Dictatorship".
Why Millennials? Are they the only generation taking the corona vaccine? How do you know? What if Gen Xers or Boomers or GenZers take the vaccine?[/QUOTE]The Coronavirus is the same virus that causes the common cold.
Have you ever wondered why most people get a cold every year? That's because there is no lasting immunity.
Have you ever wondered why you need a new flu shot every year? Why don't you just get one single flu shot as a kid and you'll never have the flu again? That's because viruses mutate, and Covid19 also mutates quite rapidly.
Some viruses mutate very slowly (meazels, polio, small pocks etc) and for those a vaccine can help, but not for something like the normal flu or Covid19.
And that's what Covid19 is: a strong cold, that can unfortunately be fatal for older and weaker people, just like the normal influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year in the US alone: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html[/URL].
In a rear pandemic (like the Spanish Flu in 1918), almost everybody who gets infected gets killed: from young infants, healthy teenagers, healthy adults, to old people. With this Covid19 Scamdemic, oddly enough only old and fragile people die, just like the seasonal flu.
For many many thousands of years, humans have been dealing with viruses and influenza, and this is a big scam for the big pharmaceutical companies to sell more vaccines. Millennial Snowflakes are easy targets, because they are easily scared by the government and media.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481467]It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?[/QUOTE]If you don't appreciate the difference between misleading and fake, then I'm very sorry for you, mate!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2481426]But humans can not live in outer space too. Are humans then a virus on planet earth? And therefore, not a living entity?
Your logic regarding the definition of life is thus flawed, as earth with its gravitational force, air and water can be compared to a cell.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why you look at it this way. I was talking of life on Planet Earth (I can't believe I have to explain this!) and the definition of virus. It's not my definition, but the basics of the first biology class.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481467]It's easy to be a pseudo-expert on an anonymous hooker forum, just like we already have a "real" James Bond here talking about mountain climbing! LOL! So now the BBC and the NYT are also spreading "fake news" because it doesn't ft your Big Pharma pro-vaccine narrative?
The Coronavirus is the same virus that causes the common cold.
Have you ever wondered why most people get a cold every year? That's because there is no lasting immunity.
Have you ever wondered why you need a new flu shot every year? Why don't you just get one single flu shot as a kid and you'll never have the flu again? That's because viruses mutate, and Covid19 also mutates quite rapidly.
Some viruses mutate very slowly (meazels, polio, small pocks etc) and for those a vaccine can help, but not for something like the normal flu or Covid19.
And that's what Covid19 is: a strong cold, that can unfortunately be fatal for older and weaker people, just like the normal influenza kills tens of thousands of people every year in the US alone: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html[/URL]..[/QUOTE]That's really amazing. The people that are behind the Covid-19 scam must be so clever! They managed to fool the entire bio-medical community, public health experts and governments. They probably even fiddled with the medical records of patients, so that Covid-19 would appear a serious public health threat and they did all this right under our noses. Obviously they haven't manage to fool you as you have seen through the scam like a champ! I've seen somewhere that even cancer is a scam, so if you or anybody in your family ever get cancer, just told them to drink plenty of fluids and it will pass.
Thank you, sir, for opening our eyes!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2481403]Great questions. I'll ask another. What is it about monger forums that draws global conspiracy theorists like flies to honey?[/QUOTE]I think nearly all hardcore mongers have to have some off putting social tendencies, at least one or two. Mine is the tendency to be argumentative amongst maybe a few other things. The worst cases however, are the mongers who started a bit early in life, say in your 20's or early 30's. Something about having so many beautiful women available to you at your fingertips stunts personal growth and the development of attractive social skills and overall demeanor. Unearned self confidence and the inability to place things in the big picture inevitably leads to a skewed view of reality. Without the catalyst to give yourself a reality check, the hardcore monger life might lead to a state of arrested development, much like being an adolescent throughout adulthood. Just personal observation, no scientific basis to this belief.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2481486]I'm not sure why you look at it this way. I was talking of life on Planet Earth (I can't believe I have to explain this!) and the definition of virus. It's not my definition, but the basics of the first biology class.[/QUOTE]Well, then your biology book is at odds with the modern zeitgeit regarding the definition of a virus. At least it should make clear that there is no consensus regarding weather or not a virus is a living entity or not. And I subscribe to the latter.
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So far:
7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.
901,928 = Covid 19 death.
By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.
This is ridiculous.
I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.
I miss airplanes.
And I miss FKK.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2482105]So far:
7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.
901,928 = Covid 19 death.
By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.
This is ridiculous.
I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.
I miss airplanes.
And I miss FKK.[/QUOTE]901,928 deaths is a lot of people, and this number is growing and will continue to grow and thus effect percentages. Plus there are long term health consequences for many survivors. The one that is ridiculous is you, exhibiting the height of selfishness when all that is asked is social distancing and masks when that is difficult or impossible. And thankfully the overwhelmingly majority of contagious disease specialists and citizens disagree with your philosophy. If you want to bang a hooker you should have no problem doing so. Maybe not in your preferred venue, oh well, tough luck pal. The world doesn't revolve around you.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2482105]So far:
7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.
901,928 = Covid 19 death.
By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.
This is ridiculous.
I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.
I miss airplanes.
And I miss FKK.[/QUOTE]Yes, and on top of that we were told (back in March) that we needed to "flatten the curve" in order to prevent ICUs from being overloaded. The main idea in March was to prevent the health care system from collapsing as happened in China and Northern Italy.
Right now there are lots of "cases" but hardly anyone needs to visit a hospital or an intensive care unit, yet the madness with masks, travel restrictions and FKK shutdowns continues or even gets worse, with Covidiots now demanding people wear masks in the outside air or during internet Zoom meetings when at home. LOL: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/health/face-masks-coronavirus-zoom-calls[/URL].
Like brainwashed sheep, everybody has already forgotten the original intention of masks and the shutdowns, yet everybody believes the lies in the media and from politicians, and how they silently have changed the narrative to "because all these "cases," we need a vaccine."
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2482105]So far:
7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.
901,928 = Covid 19 death.
By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
[/QUOTE]Your overlooking the fact that most people haven't had the virus.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2481753]Well, then your biology book is at odds with the modern zeitgeit regarding the definition of a virus. At least it should make clear that there is no consensus regarding weather or not a virus is a living entity or not. And I subscribe to the latter.[/QUOTE]I find great comfort in knowing that what I've studied for the last 25 years is at odds with zeitgeit.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2482105]So far:
7,810,613,530 = Current World Population.
901,928 = Covid 19 death.
By doing simple math you will find that the rate of death for the population is 0. 0001 which means
0. 01% , which means 99.99% of the global population have survived the pandemic.
Yet suddenly we need to wear mask, can't travel, live in fear and not go to FKK.
This is ridiculous.
I know some are afraid, like many people afrraid of travel by plane, but those people are free to stay home, I think everyone should live normal live, unless someone is in the high risk group should have some Precautions not everyone.
I miss airplanes.
And I miss FKK.[/QUOTE]Its all perspective.
An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.
Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2482183]Its all perspective.
An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.
Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.[/QUOTE]The average age of FKK goers seem to be well into their 50's, a relatively high risk group even without diagnosed comorbidities. A key word there is "diagnosed. " I guarantee that well over 50 percent of FKK goers over 50 have some sort of undiagnosed compromised health function, whether it be hypertension, arteriosclerosis, hyperlipidemia, impaired renal function, etc.
The promotion of no restrictions with FKK attendance is lunacy, not to mention short-sighted when considering community spread. Unless you are a hermit and never see another human in your personal life, even if you personally do not fall ill, it's absurdly irresponsible and selfish to promote the aforementioned behaviors (no masks, free reign to spread).
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2482183]Its all perspective.
An old person with comorbidities will be very pleased with lockdown, curfew, quarantine, wearing of masks and club and border closures.
Now me, I say no lockdown, no curfew, no quarantine, no wearing of masks and open all borders and let us all have fun in the FKKs.[/QUOTE]Salaam Turgid. I made the point a few months ago that most of the people making decisions (politicians) are old people.
Imagine if children were the ones making decisions in our society. Then all the old people would just be shipped off to remote islands. For their own safety.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2482150]I find great comfort in knowing that what I've studied for the last 25 years is at odds with zeitgeit.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.sciencealert.com/viruses-are-alive-and-they-re-older-than-modern-cells-new-study-suggests[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2482328]Salaam Turgid. I made the point a few months ago that most of the people making decisions (politicians) are old people.
Imagine if children were the ones making decisions in our society. Then all the old people would just be shipped off to remote islands. For their own safety.[/QUOTE]Being in my sixties myself I certainly disagree with people being shipped off to a remote island. Nevertheless lets say that the practice of world authorities at the beginning of the world wide spread of covid 19 was to let things go on as normal with no border closures, no quarantine and no lock downs then I would have started my three month FKK tour in July as planned. I believe in the benefits of pleasure just as much as I believe in the benefits of work.
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I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!
I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!
Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2482749]I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!
I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!
Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?[/QUOTE]I will let vaccine, even Sanofi one, for others, I think I take less risks in brothels.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482838]I will let vaccine, even Sanofi one, for others, I think I take less risks in brothels.[/QUOTE]With transverse myelitis you can loose nerve contact with your cock.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2482749]I hope all you pro vaccine experts with 'years of experience in medicine' and who knows it all better than us anti-vax 'conspiracy theorists' will immediately go and grab one of these Oxford university AstraZenexa covid-19 vaccines!
I hear of great results only available for the most knowledgeable pro-vaxxers out there!
Transverse myelitis you said? Fake news right? Well, it is just a minor non important thing that goes over within a few days right?[/QUOTE]Indeed, but these people seem to be the same naive and easily brainwashed bunch that believe that 'you get better service from a hooker if you just agree to the upsell and pay extra. ' LOL.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02594-w[/URL]
[QUOTE]Previously, a participant developed symptoms of transverse myelitis, an inflammation of the spinal cord which is often sparked by viral infections....[/QUOTE]Just a minor inflammation of the spinal cord? Sounds like a great deal, especially compared to the effects of Covid 19 on the majority of people: either completely asymptomatic or just a minor common cold.
Hard facts and numbers of deaths per million and Sweden's herd immunity that the pro-vaxxers conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative: [URL]https://youtu.be/9EAbR4WKJpM[/URL].
I much prefer to live in a free society with anonymous visits to FKK clubs and the risk of a common cold or a small flu, instead of in a totalitarian regime which forces you to take a barely tested vaccine and tracks people to FKK clubs with Corona apps.
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Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0s[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2482877]With transverse myelitis you can loose nerve contact with your cock.[/QUOTE]There are people that lose contact with their brains even without a vaccine. How do you explain that?
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[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2482986]Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0s[/URL][/QUOTE]Covid and flu viruses are very different and immunity to one of them would not give you immunity to the other one. That is why you cannot use a flu vaccine for Covid. You can find all types of correlations with flu, but correlation does not mean causation. This is the first rule in clinical epidemiology.
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[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2482986]Very good video explaining that the initial Covid spike in deaths could well have been caused by a weak flu season the previous year.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&list=WL&index=3&t=0s[/URL][/QUOTE]Here's a link to the FT and an excellent and very objective article about the "Swedish Experiment:
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371?segmentId=114a04fe-353d-37db-f705-204c9a0a157b[/URL]
Some interesting quotes by Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist;.
[QUOTE]His dislike of national lockdowns is obvious. “It’s really using a hammer to kill a fly,” he insists[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Is there a danger that he becomes too detached, too much at the level of general statistics rather than the tragedy of 5,800 deaths and rising? “That’s, of course, a danger but I think, then, it’s good to have the kind of experience that I have. I’ve worked in hospitals. I’ve seen the flu epidemics and people coming in and overflooding the hospitals. I worked with Ebola in Africa. I do realise what diseases can do to a society and a system.”[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Adopting face masks is “more of a statement than actually a measure”. He adds: “Face masks are an easy solution, and I’m deeply distrustful of easy solutions to complex problems.”[/QUOTE]About a vaccine:
[QUOTE]Our conversation ends with Tegnell again swimming against the tide, and warning that a vaccine — if and when it comes — will not be the “silver bullet”. He adds: “Once again, I’m not very fond of easy solutions to complex problems and to believe that once the vaccine is here, we can go back and live as we always have done. I think that’s a dangerous message to send because it’s not going to be that easy.”[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483015]Covid and flu viruses are very different and immunity to one of them would not give you immunity to the other one. That is why you cannot use a flu vaccine for Covid. You can find all types of correlations with flu, but correlation does not mean causation. This is the first rule in clinical epidemiology.[/QUOTE]A weak flu season means lots of people who would have normally died in a regular flu season didn't. When COVID hit there were more deaths than normal as there more susceptible people in the population than normal. It also explains why the current increasing rates of infection don't seem to have a correlated increase in death rate as many of the more susceptible people have, unfortunately, already died.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483006]There are people that lose contact with their brains even without a vaccine. How do you explain that?[/QUOTE]Brainwashing: Usually linked with the aforementioned multiyear educated medical pro-vaxxers.
By the way, my discipline is brainwashing, so I know all about it.
Also known as media and communication. And a major part in that is lobbying all kinds of half truths and grey lies into curriculum.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483160]Brainwashing: Usually linked with the aforementioned multiyear educated medical pro-vaxxers.
By the way, my discipline is brainwashing, so I know all about it.
Also known as media and communication. And a major part in that is lobbying all kinds of half truths and grey lies into curriculum.[/QUOTE]Then you should also look into what's happening into the safety industry for passenger airplanes, food, cars and building, which is full of 'experts' who claim they know more about safety than us simply because they have studied the subject for a lifetime. I mean, what's their hidden agenda? We should all go back to the glorious times when we walked everywhere (or have a slave carrying us around), hunt and gather our own food from the wild, and build our own houses.
After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s[/URL] .
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[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2483122]A weak flu season means lots of people who would have normally died in a regular flu season didn't. When COVID hit there were more deaths than normal as there more susceptible people in the population than normal. It also explains why the current increasing rates of infection don't seem to have a correlated increase in death rate as many of the more susceptible people have, unfortunately, already died.[/QUOTE]There are many ways in which you can read that data. However, you need to consider that many elderly people do get vaccinated every year for the flu virus and therefore they will be protected. This is true for the UK, where flu vaccine is largely free for the elderly. For those elderly people, who couldn't vaccinate due to other medical conditions would have been extremely vulnerable to infections like Covid, which does not only affect the lungs but also other important organs in the most serious cases.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483287]Then you should also look into what's happening into the safety industry for passenger airplanes, food, cars and building, which is full of 'experts' who claim they know more about safety than us simply because they have studied the subject for a lifetime. I mean, what's their hidden agenda? We should all go back to the glorious times when we walked everywhere (or have a slave carrying us around), hunt and gather our own food from the wild, and build our own houses.
After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s[/URL] .[/QUOTE]1. At your own risk recreation methods are not the same as state run expenses paid for by everyone's tax bills.
2. Good for you finding more brainwashing news then. Just like parts of your curriculum. Not able to figure out the difference of facts and fiction.
3. AstraZeneca is looking for more human test subjects.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483288]There are many ways in which you can read that data. However, you need to consider that many elderly people do get vaccinated every year for the flu virus and therefore they will be protected. This is true for the UK, where flu vaccine is largely free for the elderly. For those elderly people, who couldn't vaccinate due to other medical conditions would have been extremely vulnerable to infections like Covid, which does not only affect the lungs but also other important organs in the most serious cases.[/QUOTE]Study just came in: Dying is apparently a very pleasant experience.
No reason to keep the elderly jailed up inside this simulation any longer than necessary in an old body. So they probably have time to run through another life also. Our spaceship still has about a hundred years left before our arrival, so there is plenty of time. Aside from the fact that the majority of people in here are just NPCs of course.
But you don't know that either do you?
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[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife[/URL]
So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.
The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake does not cause a rupture and all of that.
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[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife[/URL]
So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.
The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake, eating your apple seeds and causing the rupture is not a bad thing etc etc.
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France, Really
I just read that France is spiraling out of control with COVID. I'm surprised at this after reading here so often about their superior discipline. Hearing reports from French forum sites that French men have arrived back in Germany in mass means an increased risk to other visitors.
On a side note I did hear a tale about an Audi leading a convoy of 18 year old BMW taxis coming out of Romania. Soon the clubs will be filled with ladies returning from long rests.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483402]1. At your own risk recreation methods are not the same as state run expenses paid for by everyone's tax bills.
2. Good for you finding more brainwashing news then. Just like parts of your curriculum. Not able to figure out the difference of facts and fiction.
3. AstraZeneca is looking for more human test subjects.[/QUOTE]1. What does that even mean?
2. Same as above.
3. It's called a clinical trial, similar to 1000's other clinical trials that were needed to make the medicines that you also probably took at some point in your life.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483414][URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/880461/Life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-sam-parnia-afterlife[/URL]
So when the grim reaper comes and tell you your time is up, there is no reason to fight it if your shell is old and you can't even get it up.
The last thing you should do is to take some vaccine that makes you loose contact with your cock. Maybe the next simulation you are born into is a sex haven with naked girls all over, and where there is no stigma surrounding it. Where having Eve blow your snake, eating your apple seeds and causing the rupture is not a bad thing etc etc.[/QUOTE]Do you even understand English? The article is based on patients' experiences. Whether true or not, it is based on what patients reported.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483287]After all, who needs all these experts in our lives when we can find everything online. For instance, I just found that cancer can be cured with herbs and drinking plenty of fluids with a simple search on Youtube. Who needs an oncologist anymore, right? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9qqQ-Ks7M&t=221s[/URL] .[/QUOTE]Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.
Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.
All the direct result of their shitty diet of chemicals (artificial flavours), salt, sugars, carbohydrates and genetically modified plants and meat with hormones.
Then these "experts" need to come to Europe to fuck a beautiful and skinny Romanian girl, who has been nurtured on natural food, because their own woman look like whales and their own oppressive culture does not allow prostitution.
And then they want to export their own oppressive "success story" to the rest of the world with a vaccine and Corona tracking apps, instead of strengthening the natural immune system.
Do us all a favour: take the vaccine, continue to eat and rely on chemicals and stay where you are!
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EL: France is a un discipled country, like Spain, Italy. Probably coming from their Latin origin, also the big diversity of the population make it very difficult to implement strict rules, never forget that you have 150 suburbs in France where the police can t enter, these places are controlled by the drug dealers like in Chicago. Very few chances to escape a second quarantine.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483553]3. It's called a clinical trial, similar to 1000's other clinical trials that were needed to make the medicines that you also probably took at some point in your life.[/QUOTE]I am satisfied with my wording on 1 and 2.
3. Are you trying to say medicines are human made? Clearly the curriculums have an even higher degree of fake facts than I initially thought!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483554]Do you even understand English? The article is based on patients' experiences. Whether true or not, it is based on what patients reported.[/QUOTE]So you have a thing or two left to learn when it comes to what we at universities describe as 'Method'.
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The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.
While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.
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I guess the medically trained needs some additional hints.
1. Was related the safety of cars, planes and buildings.
2. Was related to the internet. Although it clearly seems seems like information is not a topic discussed much among doctors and nurses. As well as a large portion of the population. So dividing real news from fake news can be hard. Especially when most factcheckers lie as much as everyone else.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2483565]Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.
Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.
All the direct result of their shitty diet of chemicals (artificial flavours), salt, sugars, carbohydrates and genetically modified plants and meat with hormones.
Then these "experts" need to come to Europe to fuck a beautiful and skinny Romanian girl, who has been nurtured on natural food, because their own woman look like whales and their own oppressive culture does not allow prostitution.
And then they want to export their own oppressive "success story" to the rest of the world with a vaccine and Corona tracking apps, instead of strengthening the natural immune system.
Do us all a favour: take the vaccine, continue to eat and rely on chemicals and stay where you are![/QUOTE]My friend, we both know that it's not a "medical fact" that cancer can be cured by fasting. We also both know that if you or anyone in your family would be diagnosed with cancer, you would not start fasting to cure it. There is a medical approach that aims at starving cancer cells via interrupting or lowering the blood flow to them, but this does not equal to fasting!
I do agree with you that in the West we rely on too many chemicals and pesticides to ensure the huge amount of food in our supermarket and I agree with you that all these chemicals can have an effect on the immune system. However, not all chemicals are bad. In the same way as not all that is natural is good.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483660]The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.
While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.[/QUOTE]Yeah facial mask is just a stupid myth It can not protect us from COVID-19 because Its micron particles can traveled through the mask.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483656]I am satisfied with my wording on 1 and 2.
3. Are you trying to say medicines are human made? Clearly the curriculums have an even higher degree of fake facts than I initially thought![/QUOTE]Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483660]The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.
While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.[/QUOTE]Face masks are generally effective (not 100%% though!) in protecting others from you, because they lower the aerosol flow. That is why it is important that most people wear face coverings.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483666]I guess the medically trained needs some additional hints.
1. Was related the safety of cars, planes and buildings.
2. Was related to the internet. Although it clearly seems seems like information is not a topic discussed much among doctors and nurses. As well as a large portion of the population. So dividing real news from fake news can be hard. Especially when most factcheckers lie as much as everyone else.[/QUOTE]I still don't get all the hatred against medical professionals and not towards, for example, other safety experts. I should start a conspiracy theory about flight safety, so also aerospace engineers would get some hatred from gullible people.
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Not just in food production.
For example polyfluorinated chemicals affect the hormone system quite negatively, and cripples and kill your sperms. But it is not used in food production. But all over your furniture in your home, in frying pans etc etc. It also makes your dick smaller. Agenda 2021.
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This campy commercial is still the best American commercial ever made due to its honesty:
[URL]https://youtu.be/_inURoJOhZA[/URL]
Yes, most people only see it as a joke. Rubnitz however did not.
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This one checks alot of boxes we've discussed here also:
[URL]https://youtu.be/PWfWo7hJHVE[/URL]
- Brainwashing.
- Freedom.
- Vaccines.
- Sex is immoral.
- Except if you make it into a movie.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483690]I still don't get all the hatred against medical professionals and not towards, for example, other safety experts. I should start a conspiracy theory about flight safety, so also aerospace engineers would get some hatred from gullible people.[/QUOTE]Gullible is giving too much credit. It's unearned pride and unwarranted self confidence combined with a need to feel special due to decades of social rejection. You can't fix that or speak to it with reason and logic.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2483565]Actually, it's a well know medical fact that cancer can be effectively combated by fasting.
Anyway, Anglos want to always rely on chemicals, and the results are obvious: no countries have more obesity and health problems than the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.[/QUOTE]Well that's factually not true. But I guess you're the kind of person who only thinks white countries count in statistics. Seems right.
[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-obese-countries[/URL]
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483688]Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.[/QUOTE]Maybe God is just a teenage kid who made a simulation based on big data in his basement as a school project.
The bible actually says that God gave us all the herbs for us to use. Whatever that means. Although my friend claims he is referring to drug abuse. LOL. There are also indications that Jesus was high on mushrooms a few times.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2483688]Of course not, everybody knows that all the medicines are sent by God and, when you have a bacterial infection, praying God will do just as well as an antibiotic.[/QUOTE]In case you were joking, which you probably were, feel free to list some active ingredients in medicine that were human made and not derived from nature.
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[QUOTE=JohnReter335;2483684]Yeah facial mask is just a stupid myth It can not protect us from COVID-19 because Its micron particles can traveled through the mask.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pistons;2483660]The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.
While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.[/QUOTE]These posts of overly basic and uninformed logic reinforce the fact that non-science people shouldn't be left to spread science misinformation. Are masks supposed to stop every viral particle? No. They are supposed to prevent the spread, in this case preventing an inoculating dose. Inhaling several thousand micron particles will not necessary lead to an "infection. " There's a big difference between the effects of smoke inhalation that irritate the lining of the lungs and inhaling enough viral particles to produce an inoculating dose that leads to "infection."
Furthermore, in most situations, SARS-CoV2 travel attached to respiratory droplets, not as individual viral particles. These droplets are at minimum 5 microns, well contained by regular surgical masks and most fabric masks depending on thread count and electrostatic properties.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483660]The fake news medical brainwashing even tries to make us think facial masks protect against covid-19 where the micron particles are 0.1 micron small.
While at the same time the CDC just went out claimed smoke particles from the California fire at 0.7 microns lage are too small for facial masks.[/QUOTE]How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.
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Here are the North Rhine Westaphalia regulations to be applied in Brothels, Sauna Clubs etc:
[QUOTE]
XIV. Sexual services and the operation of prostitution facilities and vehicles
The provision of sexual services and the operation of a prostitution business or prostitutionplaces or vehicles is only permitted if, in addition to compliance with the general hygiene rules, the followingbasic rules of conduct and hygiene are observed:
1. Only individual contacts may be offered. Other people are allowed during the provision the sexual service is not in the room.
2. Customers and prostitutes with symptoms of a respiratory infection are not sexually exclude len service. They have access to the prostitution facilities and vehiclesdeny; Exceptions are prostitutes with a medical certificate that the absence of a Covid-19 infection confirmed, permissible.
3. The wearing of mouth and nose covers is permitted in prostitution facilities and vehicles in accordance with Section 2, Paragraph 3CoronaSchVO mandatory except for seats in common areas. In the contact between customers Nurses and customers as well as prostitutes are not dependent on wearing mouth and nose covers Place of sexual service is mandatory and consistently required from the point of contact; Section 2, Paragraph 3CoronaSchVO applies accordingly.
4. Except during the provision of the sexual service, prostitution facilities and vehicles are also The minimum distance of 1.5 m must be observed.
5. The prostitutes or the operators of a prostitution business have the contact to collect data (time of contact, name, address, telephone number) of customers and to be kept confidential for 4 weeks in accordance with Section 2a Paragraph 1 CoronaSchVO.
6. Customers and prostitutes must have themselves before and after the sexual serviceWash or disinfect hands. For this purpose, washing facilities are available in prostitution facilities and vehicles.facilities or disinfectants and disposable towels or outside of these locationsto bring at least disinfectant for the prostitute.
7. After each contact, the rooms in which the sexual service was provided are for 15 minutes to ventilate.
8. Bed linen provided by the prostitutes or the operators of prostitutionIt has to be changed after every customer. Every customer has to Customers a cleaning / disinfection of possible contact surfaces as well as all materials used / sextoys are made. Clothing worn during the service should be changed after each contact and /or cleaned.
9. Serving and serving as well as the consumption of food, beverages and stimulating substancesby customers are in the rooms in which the sexual service is provided inadmissible. In other rooms of the prostitution facilities, the same applies to catering establishmentsregulations applicable to this system.
10. The operators of prostitution facilities must inform their employees or those in their Institutions employ prostitutes via the hygiene and protective measures required by this facility inform men. In prostitution centers and vehicles, customers can be informed by and notices about the general hygiene rules and the special rules according to this annex to inform.
11. Customers who are not prepared to adhere to the above rules must be turned awayand they are to be denied access within the framework of house rules. [/QUOTE]This is a google translation of [URL]https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/2020-09-15_anlage_zur_coronaschvo_ab_16.09.2020_lesefassung.pdf[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2483864]In case you were joking, which you probably were, feel free to list some active ingredients in medicine that were human made and not derived from nature.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Geez, ever heard of paracetamol?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2483900]How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Eliminate? When China is still confining cities.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2483945]Seriously? Geez, ever heard of paracetamol?[/QUOTE]Doesn't paracetamol (acetaminophen) work actively just like acetanilide? Which again is made out of acetipyretic. Which is basically tree bark. Used as a natural remedy since at least the middle ages in Europe for the exact same reason as paracetamol?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2483900]How did China eliminate covid 19? Today India gets in one day more than the total number of covid 19 infections that China got since the beginning of the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Never trust the Chinese. The layer of lies are so big that you will not comprehend. They have millions of cases in China. Just a massive cover up to fool their own people into keeping them in power. And to lie to other nations in order to try and keep a better than them image. Just like a certain European country in 1939 and another Asian island country at the same time.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2483882]Are masks supposed to stop every viral particle? No. They are supposed to prevent the spread, in this case preventing an inoculating dose. Inhaling several thousand micron particles will not necessary lead to an "infection. " There's a big difference between the effects of smoke inhalation that irritate the lining of the lungs and inhaling enough viral particles to produce an inoculating dose that leads to "infection."
Furthermore, in most situations, SARS-CoV2 travel attached to respiratory droplets, not as individual viral particles. These droplets are at minimum 5 microns, well contained by regular surgical masks and most fabric masks depending on thread count and electrostatic properties.[/QUOTE]This argument is very weak. You are basically saying that it is fine to inhale some covid-19, but not fine to inhale some smoke particles. Right.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2484020]This argument is very weak. You are basically saying that it is fine to inhale some covid-19, but not fine to inhale some smoke particles. Right.[/QUOTE]It's weak to you because you don't understand and don't want to understand the details. Or perhaps it's because a "media communications" guy just doesn't have the breadth of scientific education past the basic high school level.
Large quantities of hot hydrocarbon burns and irritates right away. Small exposure to SARS-CoV2 below the inoculating dose will not cause an infection. Physics versus biology.
As stated, under everyday circumstances, SARS-CoV2 travels through the air attached to respiratory droplets. It doesn't matter that the individual virus can penetrate a regular surgical mask or cloth covering, it doesn't normally just float around in the air without being bound to much larger particles. Attach yourself to a 2 meter balloon and you won't be able to fir through your front door.
Perhaps if instead of belittling healthcare workers who actually do some good in the world and actually listen, maybe you would actually learn half of what they know and be a fraction as useful to the world and stop coming off as a perpetual adolescent know-it-all. Side benefit, actually learning something with breadth means less bullshitting.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2484013]Doesn't paracetamol (acetaminophen) work actively just like acetanilide? Which again is made out of acetipyretic. Which is basically tree bark. Used as a natural remedy since at least the middle ages in Europe for the exact same reason as paracetamol?[/QUOTE]What we have here is a case of someone providing one true statement (acetaminophen works like acetanilide) followed by a false statement (acetanilide being made from acetipyretic (sic) which is made from tree bark), thus rendering the statement as a whole false.
Hell I don't even know what "acetipyretic" is; is it even a word? Perhaps you were looking for the term "antipyretic", a fever reducing agent or the fact that quinines and salicylic acid (aspirin derivative) are extracted from tree bark.
"The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2484015]Never trust the Chinese. The layer of lies are so big that you will not comprehend. They have millions of cases in China. Just a massive cover up to fool their own people into keeping them in power. And to lie to other nations in order to try and keep a better than them image. Just like a certain European country in 1939 and another Asian island country at the same time.[/QUOTE]So India is more trustworthy than China?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2484199]So India is more trustworthy than China?[/QUOTE]In this case, yes.
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India is testing way too low; I think their tests per million people are 7 or 8 times less than that in US. It is a poor country and their testing quality may be inadequate. But I agree with Pistons that I think commie China is more likely to blatantly lie and cover up. From what little I have seen of India, it seems like a chaotic and almost dysfunctional democracy. That said, I don't think China has millions of cases as India is reporting. My pet theory, which I argued ad nauseum w / MacAdonis is that China had enough motive to unleash this virus onto the world in a sinister way and until the West had a chance to investigate to the roots thoroughly (which China will not allow), I will not believe that everything is as we see with regards to the origins of this virus.
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USA New Case Count Trending Down, EU Trending Up
For 7-day moving average, EU is at 28 K while USA is 35 K.
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-europe-deaths-per-capita-spain-uk-italy-belgium-us-1532010[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sucker17;2483212]Being Norwegian, I can only confirm that we've always preferred social distancing, even pre-Corona. LOL! But the main reason why we have a low infection and mortality rate is because Norwegians trust the government and apply the social guidelines given without protesting. Most of the infected are also younger, hence the low mortality rate.[/QUOTE]I do see that Sweden has the lowest number of average people per household in Europe. Finland and Denmark are not close behind. No numbers released for Norway. That could be due to cultural factors (fewer children, fewer marriages, fewer senior citizens living with their children, less hugging and kissing). Or the fact that housing is relatively more affordable in Scandinavian countries. [URL]https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do[/URL].
[QUOTE=Pistons;2483202]Denmark, Norway and Finland is running the same strategy it seems. The reason why you see an increase in Norway and Denmark is linked to partying students when returning after the vacation. I guess Finnish students are more abiding by the rules.[/QUOTE]Why is Sweden trending down? Back in August, there was a paper published about a study conducted in April or May. At the time, they found that only a small percentage of people in Stockholm had the antibodies despite the fact that their country remained open. Roughly the same as other cities that implemented lockdown, such London. [URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-levels-same-in-stockholm-and-london-study-shows-2020-8?r=DE&IR=T[/URL].
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Testing and "cases"
Covid-19 is such a 'deadly' virus that we need massive testing to see if anyone has got it! LOL!
That about illustrates the pathetic way in which the sheeple have been brainwashed by politicians and the 'lamestream' media, and typical for dictatorships where there's always invisible "enemies of the state" ("saboteurs, wreckers and counterrevolutionaries") hiding everywhere.
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Is Prostitution a big danger to covid-spread?
We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.
Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.
Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).
Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).
Here the source: [URL]https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/[/URL].
(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).
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Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.
Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2484432]We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.
Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.
Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).
Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).
Here the source: [URL]https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/[/URL].
(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).[/QUOTE]From the map Deutschland seems to be doing pretty good.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484461]Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.
Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.[/QUOTE]+1.
Hardcore mongers are probably mostly, at minimum, 6 figure earners. That population generally has had job security during this covid mess and have therefore maintained their income. If you're in this demographic and haven't substantially increased your net worth during this shut down, well, you blew it.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484461]Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected...[/QUOTE]Yes, Covid is so 'aggressive' and 'deadly' that you need to do a test to see if you got it! LOL!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2484334]
Why is Sweden trending down? Back in August, there was a paper published about a study conducted in April or May. At the time, they found that only a small percentage of people in Stockholm had the antibodies despite the fact that their country remained open. Roughly the same as other cities that implemented lockdown, such London. [URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-levels-same-in-stockholm-and-london-study-shows-2020-8?r=DE&IR=T[/URL].[/QUOTE]The numbers are too small, and one minor outbreak at one party can too easily shift the numbers.
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NRW 14 vs Hessen 12. Numbers from yesterday.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2484432]We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.
Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.
Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).
Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).
Here the source: [URL]https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/[/URL].
(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).[/QUOTE]
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You have a very solid point. Also the sex is not much fun in many parts. Esp in the RLD some wg do insist on harsh measurements. Eg. they demand contact data, both have to wear masks. infection of the hands, before and after. Rightfully so.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484461]Covid is a aggressive virus if not why so many medical staff are being infected, are we dying from it, probably not, can we have to fight hard several days or weeks to recover if we get infected this possibility exist. Close body to body contacts, with mixing body fluids is increasing the risk to get sick knowing that even this virus is able to enter through the eyes, how long the virus can survive in the hair of a girl or on the door handle nobody really knows but the risk exist.
Again I will wait for better times and my finances are getting better month after month.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2484432]We don't know. Many speculated here yes. Other said nope. We don't know for sure.
Here some hard data on the confirmed infection rates of the past 7 days per 100 K inhabitants: of Sept. 17th.
Nordrhein-Westfalen 13. (here prostitution is allow since Sep 11).
Hessen 11. (here prostituion remains forbidden).
Here the source: [URL]https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/[/URL].
(do confirm those numbers you have to click on "Neuinfektionen" - and "pro 100,000 Einw".).[/QUOTE]Clubs are closed, but escorting in Hessen, when whole prostitution was forbidden in NRW.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2484912]You have a very solid point. Also the sex is not much fun in many parts. Esp in the RLD some wg do insist on harsh measurements. Eg. they demand contact data, both have to wear masks. infection of the hands, before and after. Rightfully so.[/QUOTE]Try Austria. They don't have any of those BS.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2484687]Yes, Covid is so 'aggressive' and 'deadly' that you need to do a test to see if you got it! LOL![/QUOTE]So many, maybe not far from 90% infected, don t even feel anything, but they can give to others, and kill weak health ones, like old. In France, I would say we are around 40000 deaths, when smoking kill 70000 and pollution around 50000, and 90% of covid deaths are older than 65. But for sure, brothels are risky playfield if you are not healthy. Less deaths now in the world, because now most of infected are around 20, but not far from 1 million deaths in the world.
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For both France and Spain, new case infections are at their all-time highest levels. For countries, that are dependent on tourism, this could be considered "shooting themselves in the foot". France's peak in the spring was 7578. During strictest lockdown period it was 100-500 new cases per day. On September 19th, the all time highest peak was reached 13498. For those who said Anglo countries can't be bothered, reference Australia. On September 19th, they had 20 new infections, so basically their daily average during peak of lockdown. RE: Young people partying, I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2485442]For both France and Spain, new case infections are at their all-time highest levels. For countries, that are dependent on tourism, this could be considered "shooting themselves in the foot". France's peak in the spring was 7578. During strictest lockdown period it was 100-500 new cases per day. On September 19th, the all time highest peak was reached 13498. For those who said Anglo countries can't be bothered, reference Australia. On September 19th, they had 20 new infections, so basically their daily average during peak of lockdown. RE: Young people partying, I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.[/QUOTE]In France, we have many cases because now more than 1 million tests per week, people are becoming crazy, my only test is full effort with heart in red zone on my bicycle, when doctors ask professional athletes not to make sport and effort when they get covid. But real figures are between 10 and 20 deaths per day now in France, fortunately much less than on Spring, not more than from any infection, and more deaths since beginning for only city of NY than in whole France with not far from 70 millions people. Most of our new cases now are young people who don't respect safety rules because they know they don't have much risk. They are just not clever enough to think about their relatives risks.
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Stop the madness and open the FKKs!
An open letter by Belgian doctors to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media, calling for an end to the madness:
[URL]https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/[/URL]
This letter debunks many of the hysterical measures, like face masks, social distancing, lockdowns and it questions the feasibility of a "vaccine."
Contrary to popular believe, the authors are not "fake news conspiracy nutcases" but back up their claims with scientific evidence.
It also shatters the usability of the PCR test as a reliably method of testing:
[QUOTE]The creator expressly warned that this test was intended for research and not for diagnostics.[/QUOTE]
By the way, talking about testing, here is the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, in his own words: [URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/vsKaBsWhC3CQ/[/URL].
[QUOTE]”It is just a proces that is used to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick and it doesn’t tell you that the thing ended up with really was gonna hurt you or anything like that”[/QUOTE]From the Belgian article above:
[QUOTE]A highly contagious virus with millions of deaths without any treatment?
Mortality turned out to be many times lower than expected and close to that of a normal seasonal flu (0.2%)[/QUOTE]
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Lolol
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2485745]An open letter by Belgian doctors to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media, calling for an end to the madness:
[URL]https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/[/URL]
This letter debunks many of the hysterical measures, like face masks, social distancing, lockdowns and it questions the feasibility of a "vaccine."
Contrary to popular believe, the authors are not "fake news conspiracy nutcases" but back up their claims with scientific evidence.[/QUOTE]Give it rest Hammer Time. The mere fact that your article referenced these "America's Frontline Doctors" quacks, none of which are contagious disease specialists and some are outright buffoons, proves that you bring a lame source. They are laughing stocks in my country. The most hilarious one of this crew is a woman pediatrician who works out of low rent strip mall in Texas. She claims to have a cure for Covid, ie. The Trump drug, hydroxychloroquine + some vitamin supplement. She is also a preacher on the side and talks on her website about the perils of having sex with demons.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/03/americas-frontline-doctors-dangerous-viral-video-column/5550377002/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773[/URL]
What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2485815]Give it rest Hammer Time.[/QUOTE]Then what are you doing on a hooker / sex forum?
If you get your 'news' from the mainstream media then you better get married and stop living because according to them prostitution is "dirty" and the women in the business are "victims."
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2485815]What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, doctors and health officials in the country where I live and scandinavia as a whole went out piblicly in the newspapers several times for months proclaiming how masks were useless.
But then something changed about a month and a half ago after USA started adopting them. And from what my own secret sources are telling me, this was forced upon us from the global deep state.
What the report says regarding vaccines is also spot on and what I've heard from several doctors off duty. But on duty, they are not allowed to say this. Or in case they have been brainwashed and cannot think for themselves and lack knowledge.
Vaccine.
Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent. 38.
Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as Guinea pigs.
On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine. 41.
If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2485442]I always though Aussies were much harder partier, and they even kiss each other on cheek when drunk.[/QUOTE]I believe that is being done in a lot of countries.
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EL: you can do what you want, I will not visit any prostitute for the time being, second I am very careful and strictly follow the rules. I have no sex addiction and I'm able to control my libido so I don't need to find excuses, I believe that covid 19 is a aggressive virus, I am healthy therefore I think even I get infected I have high chances to survive but I don't want to catch it, and all this make my finances getting better and better:
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2485815]Give it rest Hammer Time. The mere fact that your article referenced these "America's Frontline Doctors" quacks, none of which are contagious disease specialists and some are outright buffoons, proves that you bring a lame source. They are laughing stocks in my country. The most hilarious one of this crew is a woman pediatrician who works out of low rent strip mall in Texas. She claims to have a cure for Covid, ie. The Trump drug, hydroxychloroquine + some vitamin supplement. She is also a preacher on the side and talks on her website about the perils of having sex with demons.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/03/americas-frontline-doctors-dangerous-viral-video-column/5550377002/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773[/URL]
What an absolute joke. Virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet supports masks and social distancing, plus it's just common sense based on how the disease is spread. That's how you promote economies, with the precautions that a lot of people are going to take anyway out of self-preservation. You'll get to poke hookers on your terms soon enough. As for now no one feels sorry for you, nor should they. LOL.[/QUOTE]This Hammer dude has no credibility. It is not even clear what his agenda is. To a large extent, he keeps repeating the same talking points I see on QAnon, Brietbart and other such far right sites. But Brietbart is a political place. Over there, even if commenters know in their hearts that Covid is dangerous or that masks are beneficial they have to repeat their lies / talking points because they need to support their chosen nominee. But it defies logic and common sense why someone would choose to repeat that nonsense ad nauseum on this site. This is not a political site. We are all bound by a common interest of paid sex, and specifically around here in paid sex in Germany. What is the point of repeating these Trumpian political rants on these German FKK threads? Most of the commenters here do not vote in US. Most have no tangible interest in US politics. Except in the US, mask has not been a political issue anywhere else, neither have Lysol / HcQ / UV radiation etc. Most of the rest of the world dealt with the virus as best as they could with some better than others as expected, but basic stuff such as "Covid could be harmful", "it is better to take some common sense precautions" have not been disputed. Asians have forever been wearing their masks, heck they seem to wear them even in perfectly benign times; anytime I visit HK / Seoul / Taipei I see tons of people walking around in masks. And guess what, all of those places escaped with minimal to no death toll. If some local Hammer dude began spouting this nonsense on Korean or Taiwanese chat boards about Covid being harmless, that masks are useless blah blah, he would be run out of town.
At this time, the best thing to do is ignore this man. Oh, his other favorite tactic is a Trumpian bombast -- anyone who disputes him is a fool, is clueless etc. Actually, he thinks anyone who does not loudly cheer his crazy cuckoo whackadoodle nonsense is foolish. Very typical of such people.
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STICKY Thread Club Openings?
Hey,
Is it possible to create a thread of the all the clubs and fill in if they are Open / Closed, Date to Open and rules. Then if we could keep it in it's own thread at the top of the German FKKs, that would be very efficient (we called threads/posts that remained at the top a sticky post/thread)? We had this in a fraternity form in college 12 years ago and it was amazing. It's better / more efficient then a reply in each individual threads.
Example:
Golden Time: Closed: Plan to Open: Beginning of October: Rules and / A.
LivingRoom: Open: Regular Hours (or whatever)? : Mask to be worn.
Etc.
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Covid 19 vs Seasonal influenza
To date there have been 989,055 deaths from covid 19. I recently read this: "Up to 650,000 deaths annually are associated with respiratory diseases from seasonal influenza, according to new estimates by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US-CDC), the World Health Organization and global health partners. ". I don't know what to make of it.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2487073]To date there have been 989,055 deaths from covid 19. I recently read this: "Up to 650,000 deaths annually are associated with respiratory diseases from seasonal influenza, according to new estimates by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US-CDC), the World Health Organization and global health partners. ". I don't know what to make of it.[/QUOTE]Theres a flu vaccine if there wasn't the deaths would be higher. As for Covid theres a lot of social distancing and quarantine measures in place, the number is probably also lower due to lack of testing. Look at the US and Brazil [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries Brazil is doing about 80% less testing than the US yet has the same number of cases / tests per 1 Million. Trump 2. 0 is in charge there the number should be a lot higher especially in poorer countries.
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Let me say this one final time in here:
If you take the vaccine that will eventually come out, you are brainwashed beyond belief, and there is no hope for you. Total complete institutional brainwash.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2487116]Let me say this one final time in here:
If you take the vaccine that will eventually come out, you are brainwashed beyond belief, and there is no hope for you. Total complete institutional brainwash.[/QUOTE]Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2487142]Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.[/QUOTE]I see people using the term "Guinea pig" as if the vaccines currently in development are not going through multiple phases of safety and efficacy trials with hundreds of thousands of volunteers prior to approval. The truth is that these vaccines, at least the ones to be approved by American authorities, are undergoing the same testing standards as other medications and immunizations. The difference is the speed in which the authorizing organizations are green lighting the trials to proceed and the fact that production has started prior to approval so that logistics of manufacturing does not delay distribution. Healthy skepticism is great but the flip side is being able to marvel at the fact that when bureaucracy and finances are eliminated, that the scientific community can develop a vaccine so quickly.
I second your criticism regarding the other poster though. With his line of thinking, polio, smallpox, mumps, and measles would still be ripping through society. Imagine all of the medical missionaries to third world countries that would have fallen ill without immunizations for yellow fever, typhoid fever, hepatitis, etc.
In 2016, the entire EU had 5000 cases of measles. Correlating with the anti-vax agenda and the reducing rates of immunizations, Europe climbed to over 100,000 cases in 2019!
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2487142]Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.[/QUOTE]50 $? Hah! Good luck in that! Try euro.
Aside from your glaringly brainwashed US centric views on the world, I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair. Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.
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Yes, even at age 11 I was smart enough to know how completely stupid a vaccine was. I had just had one of these other diseases for two weeks and was immune for life. Then a brainwashed nurse came at me with a vial full of poison telling me that if the vial broke, the entire room had to be decontaminated. What sort of brainiac wants that stuff in their veins?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487195]
In 2016, the entire EU had 5000 cases of measles. Correlating with the anti-vax agenda and the reducing rates of immunizations, Europe climbed to over 100,000 cases in 2019![/QUOTE]Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:
[QUOTE=Pistons;2487198]50 $? Hah! Good luck in that! Try euro.
Aside from your glaringly brainwashed US centric views on the world, I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair. Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.[/QUOTE]And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.
[QUOTE]In European region, there were about 5,000 cases of measles in 2016,24,000 in 2017 and 84,000 in 2018. According to recent WHO data, there have already been 90,000 measles cases in the first six months of this year. And the US is experiencing its biggest measles outbreak for 27 years.
All this raises the question: why do so many people believe unproven theories over the informed advice of medical doctors and public health authorities?
The internet plays a role. The aforementioned survey by the Royal Society for Public Health showed that half of the parents of children under five in the UK are often or sometimes exposed to negative messages about vaccines on social media and online forums.
Interestingly, a study published last year revealed that the same Russian trolls and bots that interfered in the US presidential elections on behalf of Donald Trump spread disinformation about vaccines. This suggests that the Russian state is using the topic of vaccine safety to spread discord in the West.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-childhood-vaccination-coverage-statistics-for-england-in-2018-19/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487286]Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:
And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.
[URL]https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-childhood-vaccination-coverage-statistics-for-england-in-2018-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]And that my friend is fake news!
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Thanks
[QUOTE=Pistons;2487198]I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.[/QUOTE]I have wondered at several of your contributions in the past. It seemed so different from my own experience. Now I got a clue why that is so. Thanks so much for this info.
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Risk
[QUOTE=Palcon;2487142]Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.[/QUOTE]I will wait at least one year before I even think about taking a COVID-19 vaccine once one becomes generally available. I don't think that will happen in the United States until next spring (late) or summer. If that means I won't be able to travel internationally, then so be it. The year 2020 has been a wash, but that's OK for me since I didn't plan to travel overseas for a change anyway in 2020. I'm prepared to take 2021 off too. No matter. I'll just keep building up a war chest of "funding". Then when the time comes, I'll be back on it! But, I need to take a "wait and see" approach on these vaccines they're rushing to market. When I'm convinced one is safe, then I will take it. Let somebody else be the "lab mice".
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Vaccines
I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2487370]Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborn between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is receipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.[/QUOTE]Ninja,
Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.
Nowadays they are testing way much more than in may. Only about 1% of all tests are positive, like in may. So no increase here. Positive also doesn't mean sick. The number of people in hospitals is today way much lower than it was in may. Berlin has over 3 million citizens, 200, even 10.000 daily positive PCR tests would be nothing in relation to the number of people. The PCR test isn't 100% accurate, I told about. You find with it also old, dead, inactive virus rests. We have 4 different Coronavirus, the PCR test can't differ. It is also not possible to meet anyone of these official positive tested persons, because their are isolated, "healthcare" authorities are watching over that nobody leaves quarantine. Healthy people with a positive PCR test are locked up! They still forcing people (even children) to get tested and for what? The thing with the brain and the thinking is not that difficult. But brain needs fresh air, better to take off masks.
Who is making big money right now?
"Individual gain hurts larger group overall."
What? Seriously, What? You consuming too much quality media. The majority is suffering from many many "little" restrictions on basic rights because a minority is scared (has to be scared after following traditional media) of getting maybe sick.
Everybody should ask himself, if you're "positive" without symptoms, how many high infectious virus you're spreading around compared to someone who is "positive" with heavy symptoms like high temperature and coughing the soul out all day long.
Protect the high risk group as good as possible (if they want) and take away all the restrictions on basic rights of the people. Now!
Otherwise you see what happens in Spain, Canada, France, Austria, Swiss all over the world. Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2487415]I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.[/QUOTE]Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument, but ones based on bullshit science is irritating, harmful, and perpetuate more ignorance and misinformation in the world.
It's not as if it is victimless behavior. While most vaccinated people remain protected, vaccines have minimum age requirements because a child's immune system is not properly developed until a certain age or they might require a series of vaccinations before immunization is achieved, leaving them susceptible until the final shot. Immunocompromised adults such as cancer patients and some senior citizens who cannot take vaccines are also at risk from these unvaccinated "Ebola monkeys" and their unvaccinated offspring.
Lastly, these people's actions keep the disease from being eradicated, forcing the rest of us to keep getting immunized. We no longer take the smallpox vaccine because it has been eradicated by vaccination. The polio vaccine is on it's way out the door and only exist in a handful of countries. Measles was on it's way out too, potentially eliminating one more infectious disease, until these 21st century antivaxxers derailed the course of good public health.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2487415]I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. [/QUOTE]Unless you live on a desert island, how can you not have a dog in this fight?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2487310]And that my friend is fake news![/QUOTE]Tell it to the World Health Organization.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/[/URL]#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.
But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2487420]Ninja, Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.[/QUOTE]PdP. Don't need help, thanks. Appreciate ExPat comments. Shoobree - did not realize that going to Artemis is really living life, but good to know. Ninja try one time more only to offer reasons why this not political freedom issue.
German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. Numbers up everywhere in EU. Yes for moment mostly young people, and treatment getting better so death rates holding. In certain cities already ITC / ICU beds under stress. Young people also meet older people, and in any case there are lags after spikes. Look at USA, Spain, French, Swiss, UK data last 3 weeks. And we just now begin cold weather. Plus people now going to FKK on both sides know risks are much higher than normal. It means both mongers and girls are by nature higher risk takers, which makes situation even riskier. Berlin Senate meets next Tues to debate whether tightening needed. Bars, restaurants, and no doubt bordellos will be discussed.
Just wanted to inject realism into "whoopy, back to fucking" reports. Pandemic is different; not just you make your choice for yourself and then you alone reap consequences. Choice is individual; consequence is social. And of course when shit hits fan, everyone expects "criminal" governments to step up and pick up pieces and inject massive bailouts to protect jobs and health system and fund vaccine development.
Ninja really miss the good old days. Many great times at A. Many friends there. Just now is not the time. Maybe with proven vaccine, next summer. If if if.
Ninja have doctor friends (even some who enjoy P4P) - all say this is very reckless. So Ninja suggest before you all queue up, ask your personal doctor if it is a good idea to go Artemis, explain how it will work. Since you are convinced you can manage the risks, you will not be afraid to ask this simple question to your own doctor, in private. Last words on subject.
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Uk
So while a ton of ink has been spilled discussing and fighting over the Swedish model, the worst performer appears to be UK. Per OECD forecast in today's FT, UK is looking at real GDP of -10% while Euro area is going to beat nearly -8%, USA -4%. On Covid deaths, UK is at 41.9 K total deaths, some 6 K higher than next in EU (Italy); even on per population basis, UK and USA are in the worst 10 in the world (620 to 630 deaths per million population), Spain is at 660, and only Belgium is at a higher level in EU and among developed countries (860). Sweden is at 580.
And with UK facing the prospect of Brexit with no deal by year end, things don't look too bright on the other side of the pond for our British cousins. At least you have a short flight to FKKs, so that is something I guess.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487459]Tell it to the World Health Organization.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/[/URL]#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.
But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.[/QUOTE]World Hoax Organization.
It should be a stated fact now with the covid crisis that this organization is filled with corruption.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487426]Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument.[/QUOTE]I just read that the UK is to become the first country to admittedly purposefully infect volunteers to test the effectiveness of vaccines. I would volunteer if they promised travel free restriction and Sauna Club fun time afterwards, given I survived the tests.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2487415]I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.[/QUOTE]Indeed. While anti-vaxxers just want provaxxers instantly dead due to the idea that the world is better off without people not thinking for themselves.
The thing is that all studies show humans think alike in similar discussions regarding life and survivability. So I don't buy it. I think provaxxers just want anti-vaxxers to get vaccine damaged for life.
Look, life finds a way. Either all the people without natural immunization to a virus get extinct. Or all the people who does not get vaccine damage due to a vaccine die out.
I choose nature.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487459]Tell it to the World Health Organization.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2019-measles-euro/en/[/URL]#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.
But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.[/QUOTE]Waste of time, mate! These people do not recognise scientific literature as a credible source of information. They prefer to listen to random blogs or youtube, such as David Icke's. He does not believe in the existence of covid-19, but he believes some of the world leaders (including the Queen) are actually lizards!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2487415]I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.[/QUOTE]In reality, it is very much self interest that drives all these brainwashed medical personnel to be so much into pro vaccinations.
Because what many vaccines does is to mess with our immune system. Activating it half way constantly due to these crippled viruses or bacterias the vaccines have. Crippled in a way that our immune system can never kill them off completely, while still trying. But is thus left with less juice when all other diseases later arrives. Thus bringing in more money to the medical industry and their corrupt business where they steal from nature and try and patent living organisms. Just by adding some minute unnecessary details.
It is the most draconic industry worldwide, and thus is to cover up their tracks more than any other industries worldwide. As is easily seen statistically in who the largest spenders on lobbying is.
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[URL]https://www.investopedia.com/investing/which-industry-spends-most-lobbying-antm-so/[/URL]#text=Over%20 the%20 past%2022%20 years, electronics%20 manufacturing%2 C%20 and%20 business%20 associations.
Well worth a read!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2487511]Waste of time, mate! These people do not recognise scientific literature as a credible source of information. They prefer to listen to random blogs or youtube, such as David Icke's. He does not believe in the existence of covid-19, but he believes some of the world leaders (including the Queen) are actually lizards![/QUOTE]Yeah, you're right. Look at the posts. Dude never really cites anyone with credibility much less anything peer reviewed. What's even more sad is the constant obsession with American culture and politics. Like what's the connection between European measles rates to American healthcare profiteers? Someone has insignificant nation syndrome. On par though, dude messaged me to keep quiet about masks usefulness in clubs in fear of club owners enforcing mask requirements. Selfishness and disregard for the health of others, much like his stance on vaccination, complete disregard for other humans with a stance based on pure selfish intent. I suspect his views on vaccination just stems from a bed-wetting fear of needles. Pussy. Hah!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2487523]In reality, it is very much self interest that drives all these brainwashed medical personnel to be so much into pro vaccinations.
Because what many vaccines does is to mess with our immune system. Activating it half way constantly due to these crippled viruses or bacterias the vaccines have. Crippled in a way that our immune system can never kill them off completely, while still trying. But is thus left with less juice when all other diseases later arrives. Thus bringing in more money to the medical industry and their corrupt business where they steal from nature and try and patent living organisms. Just by adding some minute unnecessary details.
It is the most draconic industry worldwide, and thus is to cover up their tracks more than any other industries worldwide. As is easily seen statistically in who the largest spenders on lobbying is.[/QUOTE]Wow, I'm in awe with your inspiring explanation of how vaccines work. I should have asked you instead of all those years spent studying science on all those 'brainwashing' medical books. You should definitely unleash this truth to the world because many governments and medics are still in the dark. My dear, the reason why many vaccines ARE made with inactivated viruses (this is actually a very old way of making vaccines and the inactivation process may not be always perfect, but for covid-19 they are not following this old procedure!) is that the immune system can produce antibodies against the virus without the need for the individual to develop the disease. What you describe as 'mess with your immune system" is called Immunological memory, which is the process by which we build protection in case we come into contact again with those viruses as we grow up.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487616]As I have stated previously: to each their own. I fully respect the guys who say they will stay away whilst the virus is running wild in society. I have a slightly different viewpoint. I want to live my life to the full. I'm not prepared to put it on hold if I do not need to. And I consider I do not need to. So my big head rather than small head made this decision. There are other options if it was just small head. Escort one to one = easy. I didn't want that. I like to be amongst 60+ naked or near naked women. I'm glad FKKs are open.
C19 numbers are not going up (just or at all) because of FKKs. They go up when there is any form of social interaction. Teenagers have parties - 100's of people. Numbers increase. Are they more entitled to life their lives than me? If I choose to stay indoors to keep safe and my children in their early 20's come home and give me the virus is that fair? Shall we all just remain locked up for 5 years hoping it will go away? it will be there waiting for us!
The queues outside Artemis are there for a reason: there are a lot of people with the same mindset as me. Guys who want to live my life to the full whilst they have it - not knowing in these uncertain times how long that will be. In the unfortunate event I get the virus (for a second time. I had it in March 2020) in the next six months and die, I will forever be happy that I didn't waste my final days indoors frightened to go out and scared of my own shadow. Since the pandemic began I have been to 8 different countries. I have enjoyed every trip. More business than pleasure but happy to be travelling. There are many more illnesses killing far more people than this virus. We have become obsessed with it...[/QUOTE]You only live once! So you bravely did the right thing! If there is nobel prize monger award! You deserve it and it seems that you got what you paid for payforit because you paid for it both money and taking risk LOL!
Monger on monger!
However, I stick to masturbation hole and gel till pandemic is over LOL! I am glad I went to globe earlier this year to keep me calm for awhile because it is going to be long till I be in FKK land!
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2487442]Unless you live on a desert island, how can you not have a dog in this fight?[/QUOTE]Because unlike most posters here I'm just not sure. The last time I took a vaccine was in the mid nineties when they came to my workplace. I can't recall what it was for. I experienced a difference physically but I really cannot say 100% that it was because of the vaccine. I won't go into the difference here. It was not a good difference. I do not trust people in power which is why I am somewhat skeptical in the first place.
Russia is testing an anti-covid 19 vaccine; will they deliberately introduce something pernicious into their population? I doubt that. Will China do that? Again highly doubtful. These countries want to dominate the world. Will the UK or Europe do that? Unlikely. Will India or Cuba harm their people? Not likely. What about the US? Now a country shipping vaccines to another country; say the US to Latin America or Africa. That's another story.
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Thanks for your response. Being skeptical is okay, me too. A more or less packed Club is one of the highest "risks" someone could take at the moment. But nobody has to.
Show me also one human who didn't violated the "Corona rules" within the last 7 month at least once. Social distancing is not humans nature, ask a doctor.
Don't let the "system homies" dictate the life of "party terrorists"!
[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2487460]...German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. ..Last words on subject.[/QUOTE]Here I hold ground. The source "Wikipedia" (they're taking numbers from RKI).
For example, Week number 20 (7th to 14th of may 2020) (whole Germany).
Number of tests: 432.666.
Number of positive results: 7. 233.
Positive rate: 1. 7%.
Week number 38 (14th to 20th of September 2020).
Number of tests: 1. 085.518.
Number of positive results: 12.917.
Positive rate: 1. 2%.
There you go. More tests, more positive results, but a lower positive rate and also way less deadly sick people in hospitals.
A nation wide catastrophe? Restrictions to protect the health, to protect hospitals from collapsing, to protect the tracing scouts from getting overworked? No, no and again, no.
The reasons and explanations of government why they put restrictions on basic rights are weak, one sided, not to accept.
Other countries have stricter rules and higher numbers. Bad boys say: "The stricter the rules, the higher the numbers".
I promise Ninji, I try to continue protecting your life. But I am human, sometimes it goes into the pants.
[QUOTE]..The form filling is a bit of a joke.[/QUOTE]No, it is not. Arrogant government who believes they can trace a virus and made this form filling a strict rule is a joke. But don't laugh out loud inside, infection protection is the religion everyone has to follow to stay in the "larger group".
No love for war talk.
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NRW clubs, Risk Areas
According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.
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I don't know for the other countries but for sure in France there will be no use of those data's. The police, the authorities are so weak, this country is just going down so fast in the last decades, so many uncontrolled areas, dealers.
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The thing is, your actual address doesn't have to be written on your ID card in France. Same for the driving license.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2487800]According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.[/QUOTE]Also reported on NL forum, with administration taking photos of ID. Thursday and Friday are riskiest days for controls, when LR is not welcome in Kaarst.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2487800]According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.[/QUOTE]So I understand, there was a control at LR again since it opened? Are any other clubs experiencing this or is it the Kaarst Phenomenon again, where LR is unusually frequently controlled?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2487857]I don't know for the other countries but for sure in France there will be no use of those data's. The police, the authorities are so weak, this country is just going down so fast in the last decades, so many uncontrolled areas, dealers.[/QUOTE]Where do you live in France? So many Germans, UK, NL, Belgium, come to live in France, for a better quality of life than at home. Of course, if you go like a tourist in Marseille north suburb, or grande borne Grigny, but weren't women raped in Koln few years ago?
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It is always the same story, when the reality is not the one we want the reality doesn't exist, I can name you in each big city in France places where for sure you will not go at night: Nimes, Grenoble, Strasbourg, Perpignan, Muhlouse. The only data's that you can trust in France are the number of homicide because they are coming from the Etat Civil, all the other data are manipulated by the politicians in order to explain to the French people that the criminality is under control.
2109: highest number of homicides ever. And all the specialists are saying that 2020 will be a lot worse.
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[QUOTE=DioRetz;2487330]I have wondered at several of your contributions in the past. It seemed so different from my own experience. Now I got a clue why that is so. Thanks so much for this info.[/QUOTE]LOL same here explains alot.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2487800]According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.[/QUOTE]Of course, it's all about controlling the sheeple.
Just wait for the "Bill Gates vaccine" to come available, which you then need to "update" every 6 months because it loses effectiveness against Corona viruses, just like the yearly flu shot needs to constantly be adapted to new virus strains.
The only way to make a "vaccine" work is by mass surveillance and tracking apps, spelling the end of FKKs.
It's the big masses that make FKKs financially work and when the big masses stay away, then the handful of die-hard mongers who don't care about privacy and will take any fake "vaccine" with possibly severe side-effects just to keep on fucking hookers, will have nowhere to go anymore.
Be very suspicious of the foolish self-destructing agenda of all those fear mongers and pro-vaxxers here on ISG.
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Vaccine
I hope scientists come up with an effective vaccine.
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EL: I am old enough to remember the story of vaccine for the HIV, exactly the same as for the covid19, but still no vaccine for HIV.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2488209]Of course, it's all about controlling the sheeple.
Just wait for the "Bill Gates vaccine" to come available, which you then need to "update" every 6 months because it loses effectiveness against Corona viruses, just like the yearly flu shot needs to constantly be adapted to new virus strains.
The only way to make a "vaccine" work is by mass surveillance and tracking apps, spelling the end of FKKs.
It's the big masses that make FKKs financially work and when the big masses stay away, then the handful of die-hard mongers who don't care about privacy and will take any fake "vaccine" with possibly severe side-effects just to keep on fucking hookers, will have nowhere to go anymore.
Be very suspicious of the foolish self-destructing agenda of all those fear mongers and pro-vaxxers here on ISG.[/QUOTE]Isn't your post in and of itself fear mongering. You reference the Bill Gates vaccine and tracking of people. To me, this alludes to the conspiracy theories that Bill Gates, Dr Fauci, etc. Are all linked through business dealings and university, which of course is disproven by facts, including birth years compared to referenced dates of university or becoming millionaire businessmen at age 8. It also alludes to some sort of NANO tracker being in the vaccine. Say there is a NANO tracker. Why not put it into our food supply. Perhaps Col Sanders is in on it, or the Brazilian brothers who control a majority of poultry processing in the western hemisphere plus Europe. Even better, I'm blaming the Belge. I'm sure they are putting NANO trackers into their drinks. That is why they have bought into every drinks market in the world. Don't you know that the real Pinky and The Brain are Belge CEO and CFO of Inbev. Oh my goodness.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2488430]EL: I am old enough to remember the story of vaccine for the HIV, exactly the same as for the covid19, but still no vaccine for HIV.[/QUOTE]I'd imagine that you are also old enough to remember the story of vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, Hepatitis b, etc. What's your point?
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2488512]Isn't your post in and of itself fear mongering. [/QUOTE]I prefer to rely on myself and my common senses, but most sheeple here prefer to rely on a big government and big corporations. Ask the Russians (Stalin! Chinese (Mao) and Germans (Hitler and the DDR) how that worked out!
Anyway, you fools are like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Sure, get your tracking app, get the "vaccine" and wear your face diaper, "because the government and 'experts' tells you," and then cry in 1-2 years when all FKKs are bankrupt and closed, because the masses that make these big clubs financially viable will stay away.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. " - Benjamin Franklin.
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RE More Risk areas
[QUOTE=Maxime;2488793]Since yesterday, the list of risk areas (from a German perspective) is further expanded: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html[/URL].
So people from all of Belgium and almost all of France can no longer stay in German clubs anymore.
Strangely RP is slowly opening up for mongers: [URL]https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html[/URL].
But appointment only and max 2 people in any (room (so no open bar or club as it seems).[/QUOTE]Maxime, good links with useful info. I am deciding to reply here in the Corona thread.
Since summer reopening, I am noticing some world countries with legal P6 are absent from RKI high risk list for corona. Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, many European and Schengen Area countries. I wonder if there is a correlation between societies with legal P6 and low corona levels. Smarter, respectful, educated, more liberal, more freedom loving, caring more for each other communities?
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With all the resources in the world today shouldn't there have been found a cure for the influenza virus? Much better than spending trillions of dollars on military equipment.
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World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.
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[QUOTE=AnnaFed13;2488308]I hope scientists come up with an effective vaccine.[/QUOTE]France will start soon to test some vaccines on 25000 people who will be paid, but not Russian nor Chinese vaccines who won't be used in France.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2488880]World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.[/QUOTE]Taking quite often real risks, I control and manage not so bad, feed by adrenaline. Way of life. When I go downhill 60/70 km / h on bicycle narrow tires, more sensations than full speed on German autobahn. For most of cars limited to 250 km / h, with manual gear box, stay on fifth, with automatic, put sequential on highest gear minus one and push maximum, then electronic should limit less, many cars able to go much over.
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Yes car can speed more than 250 but what about the driver, what about the other users of the roads. People who are not able to control their behaviour should not drive on open road, so many possibilities to race on nurburgring or other places where for me you can even drive 400 if you can and compete with other guys for sure you will not be number 1.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2488880]World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.[/QUOTE]Schumacher was good for politics in his team and played dangerous for others on track, refusing to lose versus faster than him. He was very lucky not to have more big crashes than Silverstone with just a broken leg, but he was very unlucky in Meribel where he fell somewhere really not dangerous, having helmet, when I don t put for real free ride through rocks or crevaces, he was not performing when falling, nor when going downhill 70 km / h on bicycle, with wind in face and hair, so good after effort to climb, when no insect kicking my face, very painful when insect crash in my eyes. For sport fair play, even also making politics in his team, but I would be happy, even not my favorite pilot, Hamilton erase Schumacher figures.
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Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489050]Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.[/QUOTE]Having travelled extensively in all the continents, based on my personal experiences, I absolutely 1000% agree with you.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489050]Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.[/QUOTE]Bonobos are ruled by females and they fuck every time in order to maintain "peace and love" for the group. Chimpanze are ruled by males and they fight every time in order to get the females. Only a river separates and isolated Bonobos on one side and Chimpanze on the other side of the river. And they did belong to the same family long years ago!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489050]Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.[/QUOTE]Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: [URL]https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1[/URL].
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.
[QUOTE]Recent research found that sexual activity among young Americans has been on the decline since at least the dawn of the new millennium, with researchers from Indiana University and Swedens Karolinska Institute finding a significant increase in sexual inactivity between 2000 and 2018. According to the new study, published Friday in the medical journal JAMA Network Open, the percentage of sexually inactive 18- to 24 year-old men increased from 18.9-percent between 2000 and 2002 to 30.9-percent between 2016 and 2018 well before the coronavirus pandemic had a chance to put a damper on our sex lives.
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/young-people-are-having-less-sex-than-ever
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On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2489151]Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: [URL]https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2489151]Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: [URL]https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1[/URL].
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.[/QUOTE]Other than the fact that this is an article in a publication, it is not very clear to me that it has any more accurate authenticity than if I made up stuff on this site for example. Did they explain their methodology? How wide spread is their sample? Did they do the survey in all the 200 odd countries in the world, whatever that number is? Including Moslem countries, inaccessible African countries, etc? Did they poll men and women both in all the countries? To accurately get info of such detail, they really do need to poll big enough samples in each country, in all the 200 countries. And good luck making women confess (or even men for that matter) how many times they have sex in most countries, barring a few countries in the west. In fact, if some random dude called me at work and asked me these questions, I will hang up. So, the sample might be people volunteering to give such info, which skews the sample to people who want to brag about it.
I personally don't believe most of those numbers. The average person is not having sex 80 or 90 times a year if you take all the people of population, from young to middle age to old, from married to unmarried to shy to no GF / BF for long stretches, unattractive people, people averse to sex, shy people, homeless people, drug addicts, frigid women, so on so forth. Even well off middle aged couples in marriage who work 40 hrs a week with children have so little energy during a week to have sex. May be once or twice is a great week. And when they have no steady relationship, there is no sex for many months at a stretch.
Frankly that whole article is BS in my view.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2489151]Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: [URL]https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1[/URL].
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.[/QUOTE]The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489199]Did they do the survey in all the 200 odd countries in the world, whatever that number is? Including Moslem countries, inaccessible African countries, etc? Did they poll men and women both in all the countries? To accurately get info of such detail, they really do need to poll big enough samples in each country, in all the 200 countries. And good luck making women confess (or even men for that matter) how many times they have sex in most countries, barring a few countries in the west. In fact, if some random dude called me at work and asked me these questions, I will hang up. So, the sample might be people volunteering to give such info, which skews the sample to people who want to brag about it.
I personally don't believe most of those numbers. The average person is not having sex 80 or 90 times a year if you take all the people of population, from young to middle age to old, from married to unmarried to shy to no GF / BF for long stretches, unattractive people, people averse to sex, shy people, homeless people, drug addicts, frigid women, so on so forth. Even well off middle aged couples in marriage who work 40 hrs a week with children have so little energy during a week to have sex. May be once or twice is a great week. And when they have no steady relationship, there is no sex for many months at a stretch.
Frankly that whole article is BS in my view.[/QUOTE]The 80-120 times per year range amongst developed nations is a number that I've seen quoted quite often; but like you, I have always been skeptical. It does seem like a lot as a median average but perhaps more believable as a mean average. When I was 18, I had a live-in girlfriend and we definitely had sex 300+ days in that year with many two or three a-days that brought the number to well over 365 in one year. At 25, my fiancé and I were at 3-4 times per week, again with multiple 2 and 3-a-days. If the average couple has sex once per week (about 50-60 per year,) perhaps the average numbers of 18-30 year old childless couples having sex 4-5 times per week bring up the mean to 2-3 times per week? That would make the 80-90 times per year average a little more believable.
Also, remember you are looking from your point of view, some one who appears to be educated and might have spent a large part of your youth getting your education and career building. That population generally spends more time in a stressed state and makes less time for sex. Carefree young couples generally spend more time in the sack than the high achieving, career-driven pair.
But you are right, polling for questions like these has to be taken with a great degree of doubt. It reminds me of polling for penis size. I imagine guys inflate their numbers. And as far as I can tell, women are terrible at gauging measurement of penis size. From their point of view (hopefully waist height) and to great benefit to our ego's, I think it looks bigger to them than it really is. A girl once quoted 18 cm for me and I had to grab her 20 cm heels for comparison to show her that I fell several cm short of that mark, hah!
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[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2489114]Bonobos are ruled by females and they fuck every time in order to maintain "peace and love" for the group. Chimpanze are ruled by males and they fight every time in order to get the females. Only a river separates and isolated Bonobos on one side and Chimpanze on the other side of the river. And they did belong to the same family long years ago![/QUOTE]Very interesting, like sending a ball to a little girl or a little boy, with usually very different reaction.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489350]The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.[/QUOTE]I can agree with that: sexual release whether it be with a woman or streaming porn contributes to peace. However, I believe your original post mentioned something about a man and woman. In addition to porn consumption, two common predictors for being a peaceful nation might be (1) older age population and (2) wealth and probably GINI (too lazy to look up).
Cross-referencing "most religious nations" against Global Peace Index: The most "warlike" as measured by GPI would be Afghanistan. Not surprisingly, Afghanistan's population has a median age of 19 and is near the bottom in terms of GDP (PPP) per capita. Citizens of UAE and Qatar consider themselves religious (91 and 95 percent respectively). However, both rank relatively high on Global Peace Index. I think we can attribute this to their high GDP (PPP) per capita: Qatar's is highest in the world. UAE is 7th highest.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country[/URL]
[URL]http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2489194]On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.[/QUOTE]Good point. I would add Colombia to this list. Prostitution is legal in both Brazil and Colombia, yet both are top twenty when it comes to murder rate: [URL]https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489350]The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.[/QUOTE]Ah, so "having sex" included masturbation in that article from McAdonis? Got it.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489350]The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.[/QUOTE]While those countries are indeed rather secular, the top 8 seem to also be very socially stuffy. Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan are easily the most socially rigid and judgmental Asian societies. The Nordic countries and and the Swiss seem to be the most socially rigid of the Europeans. It seems to me that the top countries are all socially repressed, supporting the fact religion is hardly the only oppressive institution.
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I don't know what the reason for sexual repression levels are in certain countries, but I have a strong feeling that these things could change with the right social programming through media channels and schooling system.
Actually it seems my country has some PR companies working on improving these things. And I bet more countries might be looking at the same thing.
I also lived in one of the Asian countries, and discussed the topic with a lot of people there. Male and female. And I got a sense that the reasons were a bit different in Asia. At least seemingly it seemed to be highly work related to long working days. But one may also argue that is part of the reason also in some European countries.
If people are more at home, they will generally fuck more.
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Interestingly the legalization of P6 has been voiced as a a positive in regards to reducing sex repression. I haven't read studies regarding this, but the idea is floating around. So there is something moving in regards to our hobby.
We just have to tackle the feminists main argument first: abusive pimps. And this can be hard to track. But this is also why I am a supporter of blockchain money. It would be over and out for pimps. And also for the feminists main argument. Thus opening up for p6 in a lot more countries.
And Amnesty International is an avid supporter of p6 too as it even can empower poor women.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2489382]The 80-120 times per year range amongst developed nations is a number that I've seen quoted quite often; but like you, I have always been skeptical. It does seem like a lot as a median average but perhaps more believable as a mean average. When I was 18, I had a live-in girlfriend and we definitely had sex 300+ days in that year with many two or three a-days that brought the number to well over 365 in one year. At 25, my fianc and I were at 3-4 times per week, again with multiple 2 and 3-a-days. If the average couple has sex once per week (about 50-60 per year,) perhaps the average numbers of 18-30 year old childless couples having sex 4-5 times per week bring up the mean to 2-3 times per week? That would make the 80-90 times per year average a little more believable.
Also, remember you are looking from your point of view, some one who appears to be educated and might have spent a large part of your youth getting your education and career building. That population generally spends more time in a stressed state and makes less time for sex. Carefree young couples generally spend more time in the sack than the high achieving, career-driven pair.
But you are right, polling for questions like these has to be taken with a great degree of doubt. It reminds me of polling for penis size. I imagine guys inflate their numbers. And as far as I can tell, women are terrible at gauging measurement of penis size. From their point of view (hopefully waist height) and to great benefit to our ego's, I think it looks bigger to them than it really is. A girl once quoted 18 cm for me and I had to grab her 20 cm heels for comparison to show her that I fell several cm short of that mark, hah![/QUOTE]My first objection wit that article is that it claims to be ranking nations across the world re: sexual activity. To rank 200 countries, one would need to have data about all 200 nations; also, the data is to be collected consistently, using comparable methods / comparable ways of sampling / standard error etc. What is the chance that this article's authors and their data was truly worldwide in that sense? Is it even possible to collect such data in a huge number of countries where these questions are taboo?
At best, these types of ranks can be done for a few western countries. I regard these articles as being more for fun. I of course enjoy reading them. But they should never be treated as any sort of definitive reference points on sexual activity.
Secondly, look at a few other links. These are from quick Google searches, I am not vouching for any of their authenticity.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/baby/how-often-do-normal-couples-have-sex[/URL]#The-Average.
The link above says "According to David Schnarch, PhD, through a study conducted with more than 20,000 couples, he found that only 26% of couples are hitting the once-a-week mark, with the majority of the respondents reporting sex only once or twice a month, or less!
Mind you, these are couples. It may be even less (or more; I don't know) for singles. For example, a single person w / o a partner may not have sex for several months or even years. I would not be shocked if many middle aged or older single women are totally inactive sexually. Some single men may be playing the field or seeing pros, but many single men may also be quite inactive. I had roommates in college and grad school who were quite shy and had almost no sex for many months or years. None. I know these people exist, and these were actually educated guys who were pleasant and nice, just shy or had no game.
To be measuring this across the population, it has to be a true sample: 18 years to 85 years, across all types of health conditions, ethnicity, income levels, etc. (healthy young people to older, obese, handicapped, ailing, homeless to what not). Limiting such a study to just couples in the 30-55 age bracket for example gives bogus interpretation.
[URL]https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/03/married-people-sex/[/URL]
This above link says 25% of all adults have sex 2 or more times a week. So, 75% are at less than twice a week. 18% did not have sex even once in prior 12 months, 10% had sex just once or twice in the past 12 M, 13% had sex once per month. That is, 41% of all adults had sex in the range of 0 to 12 times a year.
If you look at the age groups, 64% of the 55 and older are in that 0 to 12 times a year range. If you look at the same stats by marital status, 48% of separated people, 50% of divorced people, 86% of widowed people have sex anywhere from 0 to 12 times a year. The most sexually active people are the married people and never married people. The last chart in the article shows sexually activity is higher if a person is married vs never married in each age group.
It is obvious from those numbers in the above link that sexual activity decreases with age. So, as western societies age, it would make sense that people are sexually less active than they were 40 or 50 years ago.
I think the data for this link above is US survey; I have no idea if this applies to other countries.
When I google for sexual activity in third world countries, the amount of data that can be pulled up is scant. Which was my original point.
Here is one link:
[URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1442-2042.2009.02283.x[/URL]
"Global Better Sex Survey sexual aspirations and unmet needs of men and women from Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand.
Methods:8195; To qualify, respondents must have had sexual intercourse at least once in the past 12 months. Women must have had heterosexual intercourse. Data were weighted by population size between countries.
Results:8195; Of 3538 Asian respondents (1776 men and 1762 women), 52% were aged <40 years, 40% were aged 40–59 years, and 8% were aged ≥60 years. The majority were married or in a relationship. Men and women reported having sexual intercourse 5. 1 and 4. 0 times monthly, respectively. ".
So, it seems this survey was (in multiple Asian countries, but developed Asian countries in fact) limited the survey to people who had sex at least once in the last year. Of those, the average activity is 5. 1 times a month for men and 4 times for women. That is 61 times for men, 48 for women. Neither one comes to the 100 number, and remember this is of those people who had sex at least once. In the flowing data study, nearly a fifth of adults did not have sex even once in the last 12 M. Plus, I don't know how honestly this link above in the Asian study balanced the population to include all the other factors (people with bad health, low income, etc).
India has a billion people and China has a billion (actually, more like 1. 35 to 1. 4 B each). Together, they make 36% of world population. I could not find any good links on how often people have sex in those nations, across all sections of population. You can find some specific sub-sections of population but not the entire population.
So, I come back to my original question: How can any publication claim to rank countries by sexual activity when there is no accurate data available about incidence of sex across the entire population in even the advanced countries let alone all 200 odd countries in the world?
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EL: including the new promising virus covid 19 which seems to be a very good offer.
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I feel somewhat uneasy reading posts about such low level statistics of people having sex per year. I need sex every day. Except maybe bad days when I am under the weather or someone is sick in the family. I would self describe as a workaholic, yet regardless if I work 12 or 14 hours or more, I want sex. Do it before bedtime, in the morning, before or after lunch, doesn't matter, I want it once a day. Like eating, breathing, exercising, laughing, sleeping, whatever you do as a living organism. And I am not trivializing sex, I view it as a soulful, healthy, and always respectful connection between me and my delightful girl du jour. If I can afford to pay her, isn't it wonderful for both of us? Do I need to report statistics how many times I sleep or eat per year? I just don't get it why it's so popular to alienate sex from a common daily experience.
Yes, porn helps, but it cannot substitute a warm, hot body of a beautiful girl, the smell of her hair, perfume, her hand on my balls, do I need to go on? Occasionally watching porn is fine, but not as adequate replacement of a normal intercourse. I think it's a dangerous misconception which, regrettably, has already made itself firmly into mainstream of today's life. Watching porn together with a partner is, of course, a completely different story. Once I had great time watching Tinto Brass's Paprika with a lovely girl in my hotel room in Bonn, ordering pizza, drinking wine, convincing her to stay overnight and eating her pussy at 4 o'clock in the morning while she watched lesbian porn on her phone, then making her cum hard, pushing me away from her sweet juicy fuckhole. When am I alone, I prefer genuine, unscripted amateur porn, capturing glimpses of sincere lust between the partners.
Staying in touch and chatting with FKK girls helps me to cope with my basic needs in these horrible times. They are my angels, my lovely fuck mates, my buddies and friends. I love them. My last FKK visit was New Years Eve in January. I had 5 rooms and filled the rubber each and every time, all 5 standard 30-minute rooms! These ugly stats on sex per year per month per country per men per women sicken me. I wish all people loved sex as a healthy gift from nature without prejudice and poison of fictitious societal "norms".
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489429]So, I come back to my original question: How can any publication claim to rank countries by sexual activity when there is no accurate data available about incidence of sex across the entire population in even the advanced countries let alone all 200 odd countries in the world?[/QUOTE]Basically, it's not to be taken as a point of scientific reference. No need to scrutinize in such depth.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2489194]On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.[/QUOTE]The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires. Middle ages England and Europe e. g. Spain during the inquisition were very strict religious societies with much sexual repression resulting in numerous military conquests that led to world domination. With the decline of religion in those countries and sexual liberation England and Europe's place in the world has declined significantly. The US was once a very religious and sexually repressed country and rose to dominate the world militarily. The powers that be in the US are seeking to continue sexual repression in order to have a military edge over its enemies. Is the influence of porn defeating their goal? Masturbation to porn releases sexual tension to a much greater extent than masturbation prior to porn. I have done a survey on ISG and many responders prefer to masturbate to pornhub or chaturbate, etc. rather than fuck an ordinary woman.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489050]Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.[/QUOTE]In FKK land, some guys develop such frustration and jealousy from their visits, becoming really mad. Some guys paying time with girls to bullshit rather than fucking. One of my very regular for years telling me: easy finishing in 5 mn, but boring me obsessed by you for rest of time. She decided to refuse to repeat.
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WHO facts regarding face masks
Here is what the WHO has to say about face masks: (download the. Pdf file on the lefthand side).
[URL]https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-[/URL](2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote from page 6: "Results from cluster randomized controlled trials on the use of masks among young adults living in university residences in the United States of America indicate that face masks may reduce the rate of influenza-like illness, but showed no impact on risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza. (62,63) At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
So with "no direct evidence" on 'the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," the politicians and media continue to act like dictators and keep in insisting everybody wears a face diaper with all possible negative side effects, which include self-contamination!
Quote from page 8:
"Potential harms / disadvantages.
The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include:
• potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands;(48,49).
• potential self-contamination that can occur if non- medical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify;.
• potential headache and / or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used;.
• potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours;(50).
• difficulty with communicating clearly;.
• potential discomfort;(41,51).
• a false sense of security, leading to potentially lower.
Adherence to other critical preventive measures such as.
Physical distancing and hand hygiene;.
• poor compliance with mask wearing, in particular by.
Young children;.
• waste management issues; improper mask disposal.
Leading to increased litter in public places, risk of.
Contamination to street cleaners and environment hazard;.
• difficulty communicating for deaf persons who rely on.
Lip reading;.
• disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially.
For children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489611]The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires. [/QUOTE]While it fits your narrative, there is nothing in historic literature that backs your claims that those societies were sexually constrained and rigid early in their histories. Feel free to provide source so I can educate myself.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2489611]Middle ages England and Europe e. g. Spain during the inquisition were very strict religious societies with much sexual repression resulting in numerous military conquests that led to world domination. With the decline of religion in those countries and sexual liberation England and Europe's place in the world has declined significantly. The US was once a very religious and sexually repressed country and rose to dominate the world militarily. The powers that be in the US are seeking to continue sexual repression in order to have a military edge over its enemies.[/QUOTE]Decline and rise more easily explained by events of War War 2. Besides, the American attitude towards sex has always been and still is relatively repressed and the loosening of that attitude from the 20's through the 90's only correlated to a rise to power, not a decline. From Puritan America to the Great Depression, America was not a superpower and was even more sexually repressed. European collapse due to tens of millions of lost lives, infrastructure destruction, and political musical chairs better explained Europe's decline rather than, "sexual liberation equals less war. "
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489050]Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.[/QUOTE]Kings and the oligarchy class have the power to start wars, not the masses, and those powerful people are hardly ever the sexually repressed. Kings, emperors, sultans, senators, etc have their balls drained on a regular basis so built up sexual tension is ever hardly their reasoning for starting wars.
If anything sexual (although it is more likely to due to poverty and education), a better measuring stick for your thesis is internal violence within societies as that reflects the mental state of the masses. Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
[URL]https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Muslim-countries/Crime[/URL]
As previously stated, numerous countries with open sex attitudes have pretty high violent crime rates, Brazil, Colombia, basically nearly all south and central American countries.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2489488]I feel somewhat uneasy reading posts about such low level statistics of people having sex per year. I need sex every day. Except maybe bad days when I am under the weather or someone is sick in the family. I would self describe as a workaholic, yet regardless if I work 12 or 14 hours or more, I want sex. Do it before bedtime, in the morning, before or after lunch, doesn't matter, I want it once a day. Like eating, breathing, exercising, laughing, sleeping, whatever you do as a living organism. And I am not trivializing sex, I view it as a soulful, healthy, and always respectful connection between me and my delightful girl du jour. If I can afford to pay her, isn't it wonderful for both of us? Do I need to report statistics how many times I sleep or eat per year? I just don't get it why it's so popular to alienate sex from a common daily experience.
Yes, porn helps, but it cannot substitute a warm, hot body of a beautiful girl, the smell of her hair, perfume, her hand on my balls, do I need to go on? Occasionally watching porn is fine, but not as adequate replacement of a normal intercourse. I think it's a dangerous misconception which, regrettably, has already made itself firmly into mainstream of today's life. Watching porn together with a partner is, of course, a completely different story.[/QUOTE]I am w / you on the porn substitution. A real woman and her touch and smell simply cannot be substituted by masturbation coupled w / porn. That does not mean I have not used masturbation or porn, but it is a poor, poor substitution and highly unsatisfactory.
As for frequency of sexual activity, I would also wish healthy, frequent sexual activity for everyone but I doubt that reality matches that wish.
1. For a large number of people, sex is simply not that important. First, I think for women it is clearly a lot less important than for men. Everything else being equal (age / health / worries about making money etc), a man would want good sex but also frequent sex and may want to keep having it many times but a woman is likely to be satisfied with quality sex that is less frequent. Perhaps women place a lot more importance on quality while men want both and are willing to compromise on quality to make up in quantity. Many rich men become playboys but there are very few stories of rich women being playgirls and fucking dozens of new young studs weekly.
If there was a FKK catering to women where women can go and fuck naked men parading around in the club as we do w / girls, it is very doubtful that there are sufficient # of women in the world to support dozens of such clubs as currently exist. Assume for a minute there is no social taboo, women are free and have enough money, etc. Even with all those, the chance that women would fly from around the world, drive from France every weekend as our friend does, to fuck 5 guys a day for 6 days in a row is close to zero. And in fact, money permitting, it is easy for women to do it. We men can't finish so many times a day but women have no such issues. But my firm belief is that there will be no demand for such clubs from women.
2. There is a mismatch between people needing / wanting sex and those able to have sex. For example, there may be many horny men who can physically have sex, willing to compromise on looks and other things, and would have sex twice a day 365 days a year, but don't have a willing partner, but the guy does not have skills and game / partner / money / other things to make that sex happen. On the other hand, there will be many people who have money and have the means, have a sexual partner / relationship but don't have sexual drive to have sex frequently. If one partner is interested in sex then that partner would be sexually frustrated, and if the partner is also equally disinterested then it will be a sexless marriage / relationship.
3. With age / health / job stress / other reasons / sexual desire simply dies / wanes for many people.
People, especially mongers here, compute mental averages with the thinking they are in the middle. That is a huge mistake when it comes to sex and ISG members. We take weeks off, fly across the world, spend several grand a year, just for sex. We are probably 0. 00001% of world's men in that regard. To us sex is very important. To think our situation is representative of an average adult in the world on the topic of sex is the biggest mistake we can make, just as Bill Gates thinking everyone in the world is as secure about money as he is.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2489660]Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
[/QUOTE]Notwithstanding the Nordic model and some of their pc stuff, the Swedes are far from repressed when it comes to sex. I've spent enough time with Swedish students to know that.
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2489722]Notwithstanding the Nordic model and some of their pc stuff, the Swedes are far from repressed when it comes to sex. I've spent enough time with Swedish students to know that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, somehow in conversation, social rigidness turned into sexual repression, didn't mean that. I just meant that the culture and customs as a whole doesn't breed an environment of sexual expression.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2489648]Here is what the WHO has to say about face masks: (download the. Pdf file on the lefthand side).
[URL]https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-[/URL](2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote from page 6: "Results from cluster randomized controlled trials on the use of masks among young adults living in university residences in the United States of America indicate that face masks may reduce the rate of influenza-like illness, but showed no impact on risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza. (62,63) At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
So with "no direct evidence" on 'the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," the politicians and media continue to act like dictators and keep in insisting everybody wears a face diaper with all possible negative side effects, which include self-contamination!
Quote from page 8:
"Potential harms / disadvantages.
The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include:
potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands;(48,49).
potential self-contamination that can occur if non- medical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify;..[/QUOTE]So clever and good example and image Trump experience about his crazy talks. I wish Slovenian Ivana will feel good.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2489611]The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires.[/QUOTE]Romans in Pompei invented the first brothels with five types of sex for sale: intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, active anal sex, and passive anal sex. Then the volcano erupted! [URL]https://theconversation.com/the-grim-reality-of-the-brothels-of-pompeii-88853[/URL] and [URL]http://www.pompeii.org.uk/s.php/pompei-proibita-en-214-s1.htm[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2489660]............. Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
[URL]https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Muslim-countries/Crime[/URL]
As previously stated, numerous countries with open sex attitudes have pretty high violent crime rates, Brazil, Colombia, basically nearly all south and central American countries.[/QUOTE]Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2490002]Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.[/QUOTE]You avoided his point about Muslim states. And, as always, the best points are the ones that are ignored. Also Latin America is widely seen as "the left wing" of the Catholic Church. In Medellin vendors often sell sex toys in Parque Bolivar in front of Catedral Basílica Metropolitana. Sex in the minds of the average person is of the minor sins that might warrant a few extra seconds in purgatory, if it's viewed as a sin at all.
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Latin America
[QUOTE=Turgid;2490002]Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.[/QUOTE]And yet it's all over the fucking place in Latin America LOL! That's where I learned how to be a monger.
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Romanian girls
We all love Romanian girls and many of them tell us they are Bucharest or Constanza (but we know not all of them will be from these two places!
So I'd like us to list all the places girls have told you they come from in Romania.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2490002]Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.[/QUOTE]LOL at Roman Catholic trope. Have you ever been to a Latin American Carnival? A Latin American night club? Or ever met an Italian man? "Pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence", yeah okay.
I admittingly incorrectly applied the term sexually repressed in regards to Sweden as Nordic countries are pretty sexually liberal in practice, their cultures just don't exude sexuality. But even though they are liberal minded to it, do they actually have much sex?
But Singapore? Japan?
Lack of Sex in Singapore.
[URL]http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Singapore/sub5_7d/entry-3745.html[/URL]
[QUOTE] In 2005, condom-maker Durex ranked Singapore for three straight years near the bottom of its list of sexually active nations. among 34 nations in the frequency Peter Edidin wrote in the New York Times, Singaporeans do not appear especially, or even adequately, eager to have sex. In an annual global sex survey conducted by Durex, a condom manufacturer, Singapore ranked last, for the second year in a row, among 34 nations in the frequency with which men and women reported having sex. (Hungary is No. 1.) According to another study, of 1000 Singaporeans younger than 40, conducted by professor Victor Goh of the National University of Singapore, only 25 percent of men and 10 percent of women wanted sex more than six times a month.[/QUOTE]Japanese youth don't even have sex anymore and for God's sake, their porn is even pixelated!
[URL]www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-tokyo-a7831041.html%3Famp[/URL]
[QUOTE]Nearly a third of Japanese people are entering their 30s without any sexual experience, according to research.
The country is facing a steep population decline as a growing number of youngsters abstain from sex and avoid romantic relationships.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2490053]I admittingly incorrectly applied the term sexually repressed in regards to Sweden as Nordic countries are pretty sexually liberal in practice, their cultures just don't exude sexuality. But even though they are liberal minded to it, do they actually have much sex?[/QUOTE]Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2490121]Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.[/QUOTE]They should rub to warm up.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2490053]Japanese youth don't even have sex anymore and for God's sake, their porn is even pixelated!
[URL]www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-tokyo-a7831041.html%3Famp[/URL][/QUOTE]What do you think it the whole point of those silly face diapers and "social distancing?" To stop people from reproducing.
What long term psychological effect do you think this has on the current teenagers? It's all part of the George Soros "Open Societies" plan to socially engineer the world. This website is probably on his pay roll, hahaha!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2490121]Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Do you guys hibernate like bears, LOL. I have lived in NYC, Boston and Chicago at various parts of my life and was just as horny during the winter months.
However, we in the US tend to work just as long hours in winter as in summer. I remember feeling as sleep deprived in winter as in summer.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2490002]Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.[/QUOTE]Wikipedia highlights a study on ethnic differences of American college-aged women towards pre-marital sex. Amongst Euro-American and Asian-American women, religiosity and religious fundamentalism strongly predicted conservative sexual attitudes. With Hispanic-American women it did not: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex[/URL].
Roman Catholicism appears to play a role in Latin America's anti-abortion stance. As a region, Latin America has teenage pregnancy rates that are second only to Sub-Suharan Africa. And although teenage pregnancy is dropping across all ethnicities in the USA, the Hispanic-American population continues to have the highest teen birth rate: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/us-teenage-birth-rates-fall-again[/URL].
Also Brazilians appear to lose their virginity earlier than Germans and Dutch. So while their faith preaches sexual abstinence, I do not find that it represses their sexual urges: [URL]https://www.her.ie/life/heres-the-average-age-people-lose-their-virginity-around-the-world-316576[/URL].
I would rephrase your statement as follows: "Japan, Sweden, and Singapore are rich, developed countries with older populations hence their peaceful outlook".
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[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490049]We all love Romanian girls and many of them tell us they are Bucharest or Constanza (but we know not all of them will be from these two places!
So I'd like us to list all the places girls have told you they come from in Romania.[/QUOTE]The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2490164]Wikipedia highlights a study on ethnic differences of American college-aged women towards pre-marital sex. Amongst Euro-American and Asian-American women, religiosity and religious fundamentalism strongly predicted conservative sexual attitudes. With Hispanic-American women it did not: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex[/URL].
Roman Catholicism appears to play a role in Latin America's anti-abortion stance. As a region, Latin America has teenage pregnancy rates that are second only to Sub-Suharan Africa. And although teenage pregnancy is dropping across all ethnicities in the USA, the Hispanic-American population continues to have the highest teen birth rate: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/us-teenage-birth-rates-fall-again[/URL].
Also Brazilians appear to lose their virginity earlier than Germans and Dutch. So while their faith preaches sexual abstinence, I do not find that it represses their sexual urges: [URL]https://www.her.ie/life/heres-the-average-age-people-lose-their-virginity-around-the-world-316576[/URL].
I would rephrase your statement as follows: "Japan, Sweden, and Singapore are rich, developed countries with older populations hence their peaceful outlook".[/QUOTE]I think it is silly and equally fallacious to point to age or income level as the differentiating axis to explain crime and I don't think it is any more valid than easy availability of sex.
I was not following this thread. But first of all, equating peace and lack of crime is just plain wrong. Pre WW2 Japan was extremely war mongering but I don't know that they had much crime in their society in those days. On the other hand, Brazil or Mexico haven't attacked anyone of late that I know of but I would not be too confident to be tourist in their countries.
So, peace in my mind is just a wrong choice of word here.
If it is crime you are talking of, there must be tons of real in-depth research on this topic. This being a sex forum, people come converging onto sex as an axis. I am not a huge fan of such simplistic views. But it is equally wrong to say "Japan is old, rich blah blah" to explain crime. I use GDP per capita as my metric / proxy of a country's income levels. That has sharply fallen for Japan. We went through these arguments before, a few months ago. I had presented tons of data. But I don't believe Japan's crime index has commensurately risen with fall in GDP per capita. US is much higher than almost all the larger countries on that metric but our cities do have high crime. And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant.
Perhaps this is your area of expertise and you know more. It most definitely is not my area of expertise. But it strikes me that crime in a society is an extremely complex subject and to condense it to one or two simplistic factors is naive, and I am very suspicious of arguments that include one or two links, a couple of anecdotal examples and claim "voila, argument provided, relationship established".
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490006]You avoided his point about Muslim states. And, as always, the best points are the ones that are ignored.............[/QUOTE]Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.
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This post really baffles me. I cannot speak about age, but there is a plethora of data to support the correlation between crime (specifically violent crime) and poverty. How is that observation so vehemently argued? Look at this ranking of crime index by country. Ukraine is the only European country in the top 50, and it is one of the poorest per capita in Europe. The US barely checks in right at 50.
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.js[/URL]
Furthermore, I think correlating GDP with real average income has been proven to be hugely misleading as high GDP does not correlate to the wealth of the citizenry. What often happens is that with high GDP, income inequality rears it's head, and income inequality is strongly correlated with crime, especially violent crime.
[URL]https://wp.nyu.edu/dispatch/2018/05/23/how-big-is-income-inequality-as-a-determinant-of-crime-rates/[/URL]
On the flip side, look at the most recent Global Peace Index report regarding safety. Iceland, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, and Japan top the list of safest countries. To boot, those countries also have much lower rates of income inequality.
[URL]http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf[/URL]
As for the example of Japan, your assertion of crime in relation to per capita GDP is undoubtedly wrong. The story of Japan's economic decline is an outdated perception. Japan's economy really only declined from the 1991 crash to the early 2000's, referred to as Japan's "Lost Decade. " During that time, crime did increase in Japan. Since then, as their economy rebuilds, their crime rates has also declined. The health of their economy showed a heavy correlation between their peak crime rates in 2002 and a sharp decline since then as their economy also strengthened. After all, they remain the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Japanese Per capita GDP:
[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-per-capita[/URL]
Japanese crime:
[URL]https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00068/[/URL]
Lastly, perhaps the fact that Mexico and Brazil have never been warmongering countries is simply a reflection of the fact that they just never had the economic capability to wage expansion warfare?
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490215]I think it is silly and equally fallacious to point to age or income level as the differentiating axis to explain crime and I don't think it is any more valid than easy availability of sex.
I was not following this thread. But first of all, equating peace and lack of crime is just plain wrong. Pre WW2 Japan was extremely war mongering but I don't know that they had much crime in their society in those days. On the other hand, Brazil or Mexico haven't attacked anyone of late that I know of but I would not be too confident to be tourist in their countries.
So, peace in my mind is just a wrong choice of word here.
If it is crime you are talking of, there must be tons of real in-depth research on this topic. This being a sex forum, people come converging onto sex as an axis. I am not a huge fan of such simplistic views. But it is equally wrong to say "Japan is old, rich blah blah" to explain crime. I use GDP per capita as my metric / proxy of a country's income levels. That has sharply fallen for Japan. We went through these arguments before, a few months ago. I had presented tons of data. But I don't believe Japan's crime index has commensurately risen with fall in GDP per capita. US is much higher than almost all the larger countries on that metric but our cities do have high crime. And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490160]Seriously? Do you guys hibernate like bears, LOL. I have lived in NYC, Boston and Chicago at various parts of my life and was just as horny during the winter months.
However, we in the US tend to work just as long hours in winter as in summer. I remember feeling as sleep deprived in winter as in summer.[/QUOTE]I do believe we are both humans and not bears. Immigrants I talk to from Africa say the same. Actually studies show what I am talking about is even worse for them given they need even more sun on their bodies than white people do. So fertility rates among black people in the far north should thus fall more than among whites as they get even less sexually active due to lack of vitamin the and sun on their bodies.
So not underestimate old powerful Ra.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490195]The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.[/QUOTE]People from historic Moldavia or Moldova does not like the partition of their historic country into 2 separate parts. Like the basques of Spain perhaps. Half is now a separate country, and half constitutes a third of what is now Romania.
The only thing the two parts of historic Moldova disagrees on is if they should be a country of their own, or a part of Romania since the language is in fact Romanian. A census done in the Romanian part shows they prefer to be a part of Romania (I bet because of EU). But a census in the country of Moldova shows they want their own independence (because no city likes to be ruled by another city in any country?
However, citizens of the country of Moldova can very easily get a Romanian passport if they want in a public office in Chisinau. Thus we get to see girls from both parts in FKK's.
I personally don't recall any girls from Craiova. Just the poster here on ISG.
But I may add Timisoara / Arad, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Constanca, Iasi, Braila / Galati. I seem to have a high proportion of my top picks from Braila / Galati or Cluj (or on the north, maybe north east side of Cluj in smaller cities or towns there). Timisoara / Arad girls can seem more western, and some girls from there always lie about being Hungarian. But it seems to be less and less of them as Timisoara has a good economy. And some of the girls I have been with claim they have a mother from Iasi. I get a feeling there is this idea among Romanians that Iasi has the most beautiful girls. While others say Brasov perhaps due to Dracula or the culture there. But it seems Brasov has hot girls also. Like on I just was with last week. Exceptional girl.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2490346]This post really baffles me. I cannot speak about age, but there is a plethora of data to support the correlation between crime (specifically violent crime) and poverty. How is that observation so vehemently argued? Look at this ranking of crime index by country. Ukraine is the only European country in the top 50, and it is one of the poorest per capita in Europe. The US barely checks in right at 50.
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.js[/URL]
Furthermore, I think correlating GDP with real average income has been proven to be hugely misleading as high GDP does not correlate to the wealth of the citizenry. What often happens is that with high GDP, income inequality rears it's head, and income inequality is strongly correlated with crime, especially violent crime.
[URL]https://wp.nyu.edu/dispatch/2018/05/23/how-big-is-income-inequality-as-a-determinant-of-crime-rates/[/URL]
On the flip side, look at the most recent Global Peace Index report regarding safety. Iceland, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, and Japan top the list of safest countries. To boot, those countries also have much lower rates of income inequality.
[URL]http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf[/URL]
As for the example of Japan, your assertion of crime in relation to per capita GDP is undoubtedly wrong. The story of Japan's economic decline is an outdated perception. Japan's economy really only declined from the 1991 crash to the early 2000's, referred to as Japan's "Lost Decade. " During that time, crime did increase in Japan. Since then, as their economy rebuilds, their crime rates has also declined. The health of their economy showed a heavy correlation between their peak crime rates in 2002 and a sharp decline since then as their economy also strengthened. After all, they remain the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Japanese Per capita GDP:[/QUOTE]Even in the Numbeo link you provided and I have no idea about the accuracy of their data, there are so many instances which break the income and crime index links.
South Africa, one of the richer countries in Africa with $6 K per capita GDP is 3rd most dangerous in the world. Bahamas has per capita of $32 K and is 18th most dangerous. Puerto Rico around the same per capita is 15th most dangerous. Brazil and Argentina with $9 K and 10 K per capita are in bottom 20 safest. Then on the safer side, Rwanda with $800 per capita is supposedly 11th safest in the world. Oman with $15 K is 5th safest but Kuwait with $32 K and in the same neighborhood is 41st safest.
I never said income is not a factor. I objected to a simplistic analysis of crime in a society using one variable I. E. National income amount and worse yet, claiming that one variable explains most of the crime. If Mcadonis had said there is some correlation between income and crime, I would not have a problem.
As for Japan having only a lost decade, fine you can keep you views but if see this link below, in current US $, Japan's per capita was $43 K in 1995 and is $40 K in 2019. Currency swings had a big impact, but by no means they have been booming in the last 2 decades.
[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=JP&name_desc=false[/URL]
You brought up income inequality. That may have an even greater explanatory power than absolute level of income. But that was my point. In the comment from Mc Adonis, his sole variables were income and age and that is what I objected to. Income level is different from income inequality. And even more. Income and wealth inequality at a local level matter. The average firefighter in Mountain View has a sucky life if he was not lucky enough to own a house, as he can't afford the rent and has to commute from 20 miles south of Gilroy. His life would not be impacted by whether Japan's per capita GDP was higher or lower than that of USA.
And there would be a zillion other factors. Social net, government policies, racial and other differences in the country, and on and on. And that is the other thing I said. Crime in a society is extremely well researched. There is tons of literature which one can pull up with a single search word. I don't know that I need to rehash it, and certainly none of those researchers are using a single variable I. E. Income level of a country to explain it. To the extent crime is local, to use a variable such as absolute amount of national income as a huge explanatory variable (or median age of population) does not make any sense.
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Covid situation is worsening day by day in Europe, it is irresponsible to keep FKK and brothels open. Today Japanese experts released a report saying that the virus can survive up to 9 hours on human skin and still being able to infect people.
I really don t know which kind of information the people need to get to start to understand that it is the time to keep social distancing, and therefor not to visit prostitutes.
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Average Age versus Violent Crime
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490215]And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant.[/QUOTE]Man,
Well that was pretty easy to research. McA, no need to index it yourself as a picture is worth a thousand words, LOL.
Sources:
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp[/URL]
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php[/URL]
*Correlation does not mean causation but whether there is a direct or indirect relationship, a connection is pretty strongly indicated.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2490321]Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.[/QUOTE]You shifted the goalposts, at least as to the point made by other member, the same one I was commenting on. The criteria was violent crime, not acts of wars in select Muslim countries. And your Latin America thesis was blown to bits by myself and others. Maybe you'll make a go at that one as well.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2490478]Man,
Well that was pretty easy to research. McA, no need to index it yourself as a picture is worth a thousand words, LOL.
Sources:
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp[/URL]
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php[/URL]
*Correlation does not mean causation but whether there is a direct or indirect relationship, a connection is pretty strongly indicated.[/QUOTE]Germany and Nepal have a crime index of 35. Nepal avg age is 22, Germany is 45. Germany per capita GDP $46 K, Nepal $1070.
Italy, Belgium Nicaragua, UK, India, Pakistan are shown at crime index of 44 to 45. Square in the middle of the index range of 11 to 85.
Pakistan: $1284,22. 5 years.
India: $2100; 26.4 years.
Nicaragua $1910; no age in that link you sent.
UK: 40 years; $42,300.
Italy: 44 years; 33 grand.
Belgium 41 years; 46 grand.
Lebanon: $7800,no age info.
Perhaps you are able to spot some pattern, but I don't.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2490381]I do believe we are both humans and not bears. Immigrants I talk to from Africa say the same. Actually studies show what I am talking about is even worse for them given they need even more sun on their bodies than white people do. So fertility rates among black people in the far north should thus fall more than among whites as they get even less sexually active due to lack of vitamin the and sun on their bodies.
So not underestimate old powerful Ra.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it has to do with sunlight more than exterior temperatures. I would come out to grab coffee around 4 PM and it would be already semi or quite dark in Boston in winter months. Feels totally depressing although around Christmas the lights are beautiful. But it didn't matter because I would get back up the elevator to toil till 9 PM and sometimes past midnight. Luckily the company would pay for car service beyond a certain time and we could order dinner upstairs after 6 PM. Thankfully I am out of that work style now.
I can imagine it gets darker even earlier in Norway if I remember in your case; I have no idea what type of work hours you guys have there but not many places are as lousy as NYC (except Asian guys, who generally are much worse than us even).
Nevertheless, it mattered not one whit to how horny I felt regardless of the season or length of sunlight hours.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2490466]Covid situation is worsening day by day in Europe, it is irresponsible to keep FKK and brothels open. Today Japanese experts released a report saying that the virus can survive up to 9 hours on human skin and still being able to infect people.
I really don t know which kind of information the people need to get to start to understand that it is the time to keep social distancing, and therefor not to visit prostitutes.[/QUOTE]And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. If you don't go out you won't get it. Others take a different view which is to take calculated risks. I think you will find that for every time there is a lockdown or restrictions the numbers will drop. Society will then start to ease and go back to normal and the numbers will increase. We have to learn to live with it. Otherwise everyone will stay indoors for the rest of their lives. This virus is not going away until there is a 100% killer vaccine (which might be never). So unless you want life as we know it to end until the end of your own life, you will need to start to accept that there is something out there which badly hurts and kills humans. Influenza kills far more. I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490463]South Africa, one of the richer countries in Africa with $6 K per capita GDP is 3rd most dangerous in the world.
You brought up income inequality. That may have an even greater explanatory power than absolute level of income. But that was my point. In the comment from Mc Adonis, his sole variables were income and age and that is what I objected to. Income level is different from income inequality. And even more. Income and wealth inequality at a local level matter. The average firefighter in Mountain View has a sucky life if he was not lucky enough to own a house, as he can't afford the rent and has to commute from 20 miles south of Gilroy. His life would not be impacted by whether Japan's per capita GDP was higher or lower than that of USA.[/QUOTE]See my post #1522, I mentioned GINI as an aside, along with low median age and GDP per capita. But given Mursenary's commentary, I suppose all three should be equally weighted with regards to being predictors for violence and civil unrest. South Africa's GINI is 66, well beyond the 40 threshold. USA's GINI has been hovering around 40 for a few decades, but given USA's wealth, not a single person is starving to death. Afghanistan is a completely different story. While it does not appear to have a GINI above 40, the median age is 19 years old, and the average woman there gives birth to seven children. This ensures a never-ending cycle of poverty. In these poorer parts of the world, a child reportedly dies of starvation every eleven seconds. This unchecked population growth means bleak opportunities for the ones that survive into adulthood, and creates young men that are easier to radicalize. Demographics imbalances and economic disparity are two ways that global security experts use to predict civil unrest, but you are correct they are not the only ones.
[QUOTE]https://www.latimes.com/world/population/la-fg-population-matters2-20120724-html-htmlstory.html
[b]About 80% of the worlds civil conflicts since the 1970s have occurred in countries with young, rapidly growing populations.[/b]
A large youth population does not automatically result in violence. Religious and ethnic friction, political rivalries, economic disparities or food shortages can provide the spark. Mobs of unemployed young men provide the kindling.
A youth boom contributed to the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany and to Japans military ambitions in the Pacific.
More recently, demonstrators crushed in the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests in China were part of a generational bulge, as were young activists and rioters in the U.S. in the 1960s and 70s.
[b]
In 1974, U.S. national security advisor Henry Kissinger warned in a then-classified memo that the growing numbers of young people in the developing world were likely to be more volatile, unstable, prone to extremes, alienation and violence than older populations.
It is urgent that measures to reduce fertility be started, he wrote.
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In planning documents, the Pentagon and the National Intelligence Council warn of a looming demographic crisis in parts of Africa and Asia, where rapid population growth and climate-related disasters could help trigger famines, wars and revolutions.
Implied in the security assessments is that curbing population growth could help reduce instability in such countries. But top U.S. officials tiptoe around this sensitive topic.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance, does not speak directly about reducing population pressure. Instead, she says it is in Americas national security interest to pay attention to the special needs of women and girls by improving access to family planning, among other steps.[/QUOTE]The above is part of a five-part series. There is an even part that somewhat supports Turgid's original point.
[QUOTE]Afghanistan is a stark example. Since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001, the population has swelled from 23 million to 33 million. Nearly three-fourths of Afghans are under 30. The median age is 16.6, compared with 37 in the United States.
In a sluggish agrarian economy, few young men can find legitimate employment. Their lack of a steady income essentially closes the door to marriage in a society where sex outside of wedlock is forbidden. Tradition requires paying a dowry and staging a wedding celebration, which together cost as much as $5,000 three times the average annual household income.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2490510]See my post #1522, I mentioned GINI as an aside, along with low median age and GDP per capita. But given Mursenary's commentary, I suppose all three should be equally weighted with regards to being predictors for violence and civil unrest. South Africa's GINI is 66, well beyond the 40 threshold. USA's GINI has been hovering around 40 for a few decades, but given USA's wealth, not a single person is starving to death. Afghanistan is a completely different story. While it does not appear to have a GINI above 40, the median age is 19 years old, and the average woman there gives birth to seven children. This ensures a never-ending cycle of poverty. In these poorer parts of the world, a child reportedly dies of starvation every eleven seconds. This unchecked population growth means bleak opportunities for the ones that survive into adulthood, and creates young men that are easier to radicalize. Demographics imbalances and economic disparity are two ways that global security experts use to predict civil unrest, but you are correct they are not the only ones.
The above is part of a five-part series. There is an even part that somewhat supports Turgid's original point.[/QUOTE]The crime index table he provided has a mean of 44 with a stdev of 15. There are 40 countries with index value in the 40 to 50 range. Pretty tightly bunched close to the mean. You are welcome to combine age, income and if you prefer GINI to see if they could somehow predict the crime index. These countries range from Sri Lanka, Russia to Tunisia, Lebanon, Bosnia, Indonesia, India, Botswana, Ethiopia, Morocco, France, Myanmar, Ireland and on and on. Our POTUS who wants to bomb Iran would be pleased to know Iran is at 48.9, Iraqis at 48 but we got the better of them with 47.7 although those damned Swedes beat us with 47.4. Reagan would be crying in his grave because both Panama and Nicaragua beat us with 45.5 and 46.2. I have no clue whether they have better*GINI or something else to have bested us. *.
Even with a few basic key word searches using crime, societies, social factors, race, wealth disparity, social nets, government policies, drug use, heterogeneous society, etc I am able to pull up dozens of scholarly articles. I never read them, this is not my area of expertise (I have very few, if any) nor my field of interest. But my point is that if this was such a simple thing as "age, income, Gini explains crime variances between societies and nations" or somehow those 3 variables have enough predictive power, I doubt that all these scholarly dudes are spending years of research looking at the crime issue in such depth. Perhaps they are all clueless bozos. But no one said use those 3 factors and weigh them equally to explain crime variances. At least I did not see it.
I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490495]Perhaps it has to do with sunlight more than exterior temperatures. I would come out to grab coffee around 4 PM and it would be already semi or quite dark in Boston in winter months. Feels totally depressing although around Christmas the lights are beautiful. But it didn't matter because I would get back up the elevator to toil till 9 PM and sometimes past midnight. Luckily the company would pay for car service beyond a certain time and we could order dinner upstairs after 6 PM. Thankfully I am out of that work style now.
I can imagine it gets darker even earlier in Norway if I remember in your case; I have no idea what type of work hours you guys have there but not many places are as lousy as NYC (except Asian guys, who generally are much worse than us even).
Nevertheless, it mattered not one whit to how horny I felt regardless of the season or length of sunlight hours.[/QUOTE]Well, we are all mammals. I tried to find the English word for 'våryr', but there doesn't seem to be any. It would mean something like 'spring horny'. This Wisconsin deer seems to know all about it at least. Maybe you need to make up a new term in English too now: (translate it with Chrome to read).
[URL]https://www.abcnyheter.no/sedenne/v/195450329/varyr-hjort-fant-kjaerligheten-med-hagepynt[/URL]
Våare= spring.
Yr= wild or crazy out of passion.
And it is all due to the sunlight reappearing.
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This horny effect due to sunlight is of course related to testosterone production.
And on the bright side, the lack thereof might actually make us smarter:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/25/men-blame-hormones-testosterone-trouble-aggression-decision-making[/URL]
So the link towards planning the repercussions of cumming inside a fertile woman is quite apparent. Thus we can also extrapolate why different countries have different birth rates at young age where they are unable to care for their children.
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[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2489968]So entrance 90 and 30 minute basic session is 70 which sums up to 160 . Quite expensive for a rushed quick session with condom blow job and probably not the best performance by the girl either.[/QUOTE]Management decided to make clients pay for the loss of covid 19 closure period LOL!
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EL: I wish for you that you will not catch the covid in a FKK or brothels and transmit it one of your relative, may be in that case you will be able to make the difference in what is important and vital and what is not. Sorry visiting prostitutes is not vital. I already told why I am on this forum, it is to practice my English.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490195]The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.[/QUOTE]Moldavia mean more often Iasie than Chisinau. I like when girls tell me they come from deep Romania, rather than all from Bucharest city or Constanza.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2490505]And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. If you don't go out you won't get it. Others take a different view which is to take calculated risks. I think you will find that for every time there is a lockdown or restrictions the numbers will drop. Society will then start to ease and go back to normal and the numbers will increase. We have to learn to live with it. Otherwise everyone will stay indoors for the rest of their lives. This virus is not going away until there is a 100% killer vaccine (which might be never). So unless you want life as we know it to end until the end of your own life, you will need to start to accept that there is something out there which badly hurts and kills humans. Influenza kills far more. I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.[/QUOTE]Those who tell about others addiction, without even knowing this word meaning, they should ask their doctor to explain them what is this disease, or not to go or not to do, are mostly those who are frustrated because they can t go, but as soon they can go, then they just run, like some here. Such jealousy in this business, when my thinking is: we can build our way for life, not always because of others.
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The problem is not the crime index but who is committing the crimes in each country, for example one of my family member is holding a high position in France minister de la Justice and he is always saying that 80%+ people in jail in France are none white Christian with a big part of them being Muslim. It is not that Muslim are more criminals than the others it is just that they belong to the poorest of the country, which means a lot of mothers alone to educate the children, which means more children per family, which means no heritage, which means even their incomes are low they need to send money to their home country, which means your incomes are mostly coming from social benefits which is just enough to survive, which means spending hours looking TV learning nothing and being under the negative influence of the advertising industry, which means bad sleeping just because your neighbours are in the same situation than you. At the end of the end the young men have no education, no job opportunities and will start to deal drug and the girls to prostitute. In France you will find extremely few Jude or Asian people in jail just because even they go a wrong way their families will push them hard to go back to the right path, also those families will push the children to educate, and therefor to find a good paid job, which means a better living environment. But all this is also true in the US.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2490505]And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. ...I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.[/QUOTE]EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.
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Here is another deer getting a little frisky:
[URL]https://youtu.be/6NTFRAOoxnI[/URL]
Total loss of a sense of awareness when he gets horny.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2490629]EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.[/QUOTE]You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread.
You are quite wrong about influenza. It DOES kill far more than covid. See only one of many examples. In August. So 8 weeks ago, influenza was killing FIVE TIMES the amount of people in the UK than covid. And the UK is badly hit by covid. See [URL]https://www.theweek.co.uk/107790/flu-killing-more-people-than-covid-19[/URL].
So you are correct about the need to gather the facts. They are that influenza is a big killer. But we don't stop going to FKKs because we might catch it.
I do not say for one moment that continuing this hobby is without risks. It is. I respect that Covid is a big risk. But so is influenza and for many so are STIs. But we didn't historically avoid FKKs to avoid either.
I have massive concern and respect for the health of others. When I had the virus I completely isolated for 3 weeks (to make sure I didn't infect a single other person).
But the truth is that this virus is NOT going away. We are in the second wave. After many government panics around the world we will have more lockdowns. The numbers will drop. We will ease lockdowns and the numbers will swell into Wave 3, then 4 and so on. I am afraid we have to come to the final conclusion that life now includes a risk of dying from covid. As well as the more deadly influenza. Your doctor would tell you not to go to any FKK, not to go swimming, not to go to a gym, don't have a professional massage. They all carry risks of transmission of (various) infections (including but not limited to coronavirus).
Even when a vaccine comes it will not give 100% protection. [URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/22/the-world-needs-covid-19-vaccines-it-may-also-be-overestimating-their-power/[/URL].
Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year. You won't my friend. Nothing will have changed. The virus is not going to disappear. In the history of mankind, we have only ever totally eradicated one human virus / disease. Smallpox - and it took over 2000 years. [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox-is-the-only-human-disease-to-be-eradicated-heres-how-the-world-achieved-it[/URL].
So if you seriously think you will be going to FKKs in the next 10 years because Covid-19 has been eradicated, you are seriously mistaken. It will be a fact of life for the world in the years that every member of this forum has left.
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom in this respect but it is just a fact that we won't beat this in any of our lifetimes. We will get vaccines which help reduce. But not eradicate the risk.
So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? Maybe they will all close in the next 12 months because of government rules, or lack of attendance and money. If everyone follows your advice, and that of Expat lover, nobody will go and they will close for good. That will mean you are not "missing them" but will have to be happy just with your memories and no more.
This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them.
Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic! If this is something folks want to debate it should be in the relevant FKK Coronavirus thread. In the meantime, I hope Artemis stays open, and I greatly look forward to reading reports of members who do decide to attend.
Stay safe, stay positive, but balance it all with enjoying however much life you have my friends. We cannot just all lock ourselves away forever. There is a risk of going on a plane, a bus, a train, driving, swimming in the sea, sunbathing, and going to gyms, shops and FKKs. I intend to do all of them for as long as I can!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2490483]You shifted the goalposts, at least as to the point made by other member, the same one I was commenting on. The criteria was violent crime, not acts of wars in select Muslim countries. And your Latin America thesis was blown to bits by myself and others. Maybe you'll make a go at that one as well.[/QUOTE]Nice try. You shifted the goalposts so I brought things back to perspective. For your information the following is my first post that started the discussion:
"Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries. ".
Remember that post? Try again.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2490629]EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.[/QUOTE]I laugh at you scaremongers, you're more likely to die in a traffic accident in Berlin than of COVID-19. Less than 10 persons dies per week in Berlin. COVID-19 is only dangerous to a few, many of them have already died and the others are in quarantine so there's no chance that Artemis visitors will infect them. Stop the scaremongering.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2490388]People from historic Moldavia or Moldova does not like the partition of their historic country into 2 separate parts. Like the basques of Spain perhaps. Half is now a separate country, and half constitutes a third of what is now Romania.
The only thing the two parts of historic Moldova disagrees on is if they should be a country of their own, or a part of Romania since the language is in fact Romanian. A census done in the Romanian part shows they prefer to be a part of Romania (I bet because of EU). But a census in the country of Moldova shows they want their own independence (because no city likes to be ruled by another city in any country?
However, citizens of the country of Moldova can very easily get a Romanian passport if they want in a public office in Chisinau. Thus we get to see girls from both parts in FKK's.
I personally don't recall any girls from Craiova. Just the poster here on ISG.
But I may add Timisoara / Arad, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Constanca, Iasi, Braila / Galati. I seem to have a high proportion of my top picks from Braila / Galati or Cluj (or on the north, maybe north east side of Cluj in smaller cities or towns there). Timisoara / Arad girls can seem more western, and some girls from there always lie about being Hungarian. But it seems to be less and less of them as Timisoara has a good economy. And some of the girls I have been with claim they have a mother from Iasi. I get a feeling there is this idea among Romanians that Iasi has the most beautiful girls. While others say Brasov perhaps due to Dracula or the culture there. But it seems Brasov has hot girls also. Like on I just was with last week. Exceptional girl.[/QUOTE]Wow, you know your Romanian geography well. You also seem to pay attention to what they say. I ask where they are from in a perfunctory way but tbh I have no interest and am already forgetting what they said before they finish their sentence LOL. I can only remember girls' names if I have been with them several times and even then I am just as likely to confuse and mix up their names and after this long hiatus my memory for names is worse than ever LOL.
Seriously you think some Romanian cities send prettier girls in larger numbers than others do to FKKs? That is the first time I heard that theory.
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I agree with PayforIt and thanks for your useful reports here.
I wonder why all this drama here about this virus. Only less than 1 or 2 % of people die with this virus.
Of course, if we visit FKK then we have to be careful with the others, I will never visit old friends and if I go out then I wear mask to protect the others. So where is the problem!? I met a lot of girls since July every weekend, in Switzerland and in hotels in NRW and I work at home and I do not expose any risks to anybody I meet, so why should I stop visiting FKK? And all the others are also well informed that they have to be careful if they decide to take risks in FKK or with girls, and even old people have to be careful and should not accept any risky visits, so where is the problem.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2490689]You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread...Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year...So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them...Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic! [/QUOTE]
Right. So no "sermons". But look at any "excess death" charts for many countries (over months not just one country over short summer month time), and you see Covid is much worse than influenza, and these excess projections still undercount. And you have no idea what is Ninja thinking -that "missing" means ok next year? Not even close. But biggest logical leap is one person only choose to live and be free for themselves. Nature of airborne pandemic: you are choosing for others, not just self. You may be immune but still spread it. Your "freedom" puts others at risk. Enough-will not explain concept of solidarity here.
People who read here and just see a few reports of fun in fucktown may miss big picture. Yesterday Berlin had almost 400 new cases-very big jump for us who live here and worry about many foreigners coming from high Covid countries or locals partying way too much because it is Berlin and they must be free to rave. Other German states now banning overnight stays for people coming from Berlin (including Westkreuz) -unclear how all to be enforced but seems if you come from certain Berlin districts, you now have to show test result to stay in other big German city. Situation is very fluid since yesterday. Wish we had different world, but "it is what it is". Things will tighten a lot more. Not going on and on about Covid ideas. Yes there is thread for this. Just that visitors must understand situation in Berlin. It is deteriorating. Last words, apart from ask doctor.
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In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2490605]Moldavia mean more often Iasie than Chisinau. I like when girls tell me they come from deep Romania, rather than all from Bucharest city or Constanza.[/QUOTE]You agree with Pistons that Girls from some specific cities like Iasi are prettier? Or do you prefer rural girls because they are less sophisticated and give better service than the ones from Bucharest? I admit I am not that good at observing such nuances.
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There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.
I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2490749]In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2w9X_tHU7k[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490762]There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.
I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490545]I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.[/QUOTE]Well this made me lose interest in the conversation and some respect for the debater as this low-blow comment reflects poor emotional and ego control. Sad as you've actually consistently made some pretty fair and logical posts in the past.
Yes, I do know McA but have disagreed with numerous of his assertions on a regular basis. On the flip, I also know Pistons and disagree with at least 50% of the things that he spews out.
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I have been as careful as anyone, distancing carefully, hardly going out and wfh and all that; even eschewing sugarbabes despite the fact that they are available in easy distance and it takes all my strength to control the temptation. However, I don't understand what comes from criticizing Mr. Pay For It. Surely, a man has a choice what he wants to with his life. He is incredibly polite and is not asking anyone to follow his lead. There are other people (QHammerAnon8 ChanTime) who feel entitled and qualified to lecture the whole board and tell us that we should all hug and give CPR to proven covid infected current patients and dump all the covid vaccines into Boston harbor but that has not been Mr. Pay For It. For god's sake, this man is the epitome of rationality and courtesy. Frankly I am amazed at his grace in answering these pointed barbs patiently. I am working on my meditative techniques so that I can achieve his level of equanimity but so far I have just reached the level of John McEnroe.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2490321]Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.[/QUOTE]Qatar and UAE are Muslim and are peaceful countries with low crime. On the Global Peace Index, Qatar ranks 31st, so more peaceful than many countries we typically characterize as peaceful (Spain, France, Italy, UK). Malaysia, which is majority Muslim, is even more peaceful occupying the 16th position.
For many of the poorest countries, over-population is sabotaging economic development. When the average girl has seven children, then things like safety nets or economic opportunities do not exist, and young boys fall through the cracks. These are not favorable demographics and what sociologists call "youth bulge". The people having the most children are often the poorest. This is true even in many ethnic ghettos in rich, developed countries. And the poorest are often the most religious. [URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx[/URL].
Vietnam was war-like in the 1970's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/444584/average-age-of-the-population-in-vietnam/[/URL].
Korea was war-like in the 1950's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/604689/median-age-of-the-population-in-south-korea/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2490770]Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.[/QUOTE]Could well be. I'm terrible with names but the girl I had in mind was in Sharks 2015 to 18, as I remember. I vaguely recall seeing her in some other club also but my mind could be playing tricks. In addition to forgetting names I sometimes also can't accurately place them unless I am standing real close and the lights are bright. A small change in hairstyle and other things throws me off. Oh well, who said they are all the same in the sack LOL.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490725]Seriously you think some Romanian cities send prettier girls in larger numbers than others do to FKKs? That is the first time I heard that theory.[/QUOTE]Only because you are from USA, you have this idea. In all of Europe, we know that genetics differs greatly from city to city, or from area to area. But USA is a young melting pot of people from all over. Capitals in European countries are more and more melting pots too of course. That is why I never pay attention to anyone saying they are from Bucharest for example.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2490852]Only because you are from USA, you have this idea. In all of Europe, we know that genetics differs greatly from city to city, or from area to area. But USA is a young melting pot of people from all over. Capitals in European countries are more and more melting pots too of course. That is why I never pay attention to anyone saying they are from Bucharest for example.[/QUOTE]Well, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your theory. If genetic pools are so distinct from city to city, town to town, it is plausible. I am not sure they are. Frankly, I can't even tell the difference between all of them by the country although we all know a vast majority are Romies these days. And the girls must feel that way also because they blatantly lie and claim to be from Italy or Spain or Greece or wherever. So, a Romanian girl feels that at least some guys believe she is equally likely to be from Spain or Italy or Romania based in her looks and demeanor and she thinks she can get away with the lie because guys will be unable to tell her true origin.
I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490545]I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.[/QUOTE]It wouldn't surprise me that certain people block users with the "wrong" opinion, and create different usernames or people that "agree" with them. They like to live in their echo chamber where they only hear their own opinion.
It's the same trick the mainstream media does, it's called astroturfing.
So far I've posted many links to serious websites here (like the WHO, New York Times, BBC, Statista) about statistics and cases versus deaths, but all you hear from the "experts" like Mursenary is crickets. If something doesn't fit their narrative then the cry "fake news," put you on a "block list" and sticking their fingers in their ears, singing "lalalalalala."
What these people do on a hooker forum, and why they don't freak out about rimming, DFK and CIM as well is anyone's guess.
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The only problem for Payforit, his behavior doesn't only involve himself but he can spread the virus. Just have a small look on the White House, well educated people, world class medical staff 24/24 7 days around and still 32+ infected. Do you really believe the risks are higher to get sick by visiting the WH than a FKK or any brothels? This is the world from today, my small egoistic pleasure is far more important than the community. The virus can survive 9 Hours on the human skin and still be active, for sure the skin of the prostitutes are not the same.
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Genetic is not different from one city to another. I am quite sure that if I show you a girl from France, Italy, Spain, Rumania and Hungary you are not able to tell me where they are coming from. 10 years back in the FKK you had girls from Poland, Hungary, some from Italy but today the vast majority is from Rumania just because it is the poorest country with few job opportunities. Also the government was always weaker than in the other countries so less education. Even Hungary was also poor, being part of the Austro Hungarian empire for centuries make them having a far stronger government and administration. In the last 10 year under Vikor Orban the things have positively improved, full employment. So less girls in the FKK. Things are also improving in Rumania probably there will be less girls in the coming years which has already started in the last years by having almost always the same veteran around switching from one club to another or from escort in London or Zurich to FKK.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490760]You agree with Pistons that Girls from some specific cities like Iasi are prettier? Or do you prefer rural girls because they are less sophisticated and give better service than the ones from Bucharest? I admit I am not that good at observing such nuances.[/QUOTE]I'm attracted by sophisticated natural looks with perfect body care, some girls telling me: You inspect me? I found some Moldavian Romanian have Slavian sweetness, when some Romanians are great for love in bed like at home, even few telling: too much love with you, I can't work after you. But only in clubs, I never answered when proposed about outside or visiting Romania, I'm not interested. Only for pleasure, not to find a GF. I buy dreams, not more.
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One German monger reported on a German board that he got Coronavirus from a WG (not a FKK WG) he visited last Saturday. So still have to be careful if you don't want to get it.
Pessimist,
You quickly became one of the regular and very good posters on FKK threads:) I wish and think you would wish that you knew here 4 years ago when there were many more interesting characters and posters and the threads were much livelier and busier...
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2490747]But look at any "excess death" charts for many countries (over months not just one country over short summer month time), and you see Covid is much worse than influenza, and these excess projections still undercount. [/QUOTE]Today, UK gov released formal statistics about influenza vs. Covid-19. Through end Aug. Covid deaths are triple those of influenza and pneumonia, and that surely undercounts it. See here: [URL]https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020[/URL].
US influenza deaths around 40,000 per year; the Covid-19 count is now 211,000 and at 500-1000 per day, will likely exceed 300,000 by end of year - 7 times normal. Of course every country different.
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Artemis may be able to get away with staying open if they close the bar and the food at those time slots. What a ridiculous bunch on nonsense.
[QUOTE=Palcon;2490819]Always curious by the restrictions thought some of the people limit would apply too. But what will be interesting is people coming from Romania will now have to quarantine pending a negative coronavirus test, don't know how well that's enforced and if girls can quarantine at the club.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2490994]Today, UK gov released formal statistics about influenza vs. Covid-19. Through end Aug. Covid deaths are triple those of influenza and pneumonia, and that surely undercounts it.[/QUOTE]"Undercounts?" Hahahaha! Please give us examples of how they are undercounting! LOL! Another brainwashed person who is scared into exaggerating the threat of SARS-COV2, and who is here scaremongering the rest of us! You want to see the end of FKKs: keep on doing what you're doing!
I'll give you some facts from established media about how the UK has been systematically overcounting;.
[URL]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-uk-overestimates-coronavirus-death-toll.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-deaths-overcounting_uk_5f342168c5b6fc009a60a4f6?guccounter=1[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711[/URL]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2fbritain-says-it-overcounted-coronavirus-death-toll-by-5377%2f2020%2f08%2f13%2ff6f171a6-dce0-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490802]I have been as careful as anyone, distancing carefully, hardly going out and wfh and all that; even eschewing sugarbabes despite the fact that they are available in easy distance and it takes all my strength to control the temptation.............[/QUOTE]I believe I interacted with you on this before and you said you have a wife and family. Married men have an advantage in this age of covid.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2490822]Qatar and UAE are Muslim and are peaceful countries with low crime. On the Global Peace Index, Qatar ranks 31st, so more peaceful than many countries we typically characterize as peaceful (Spain, France, Italy, UK). Malaysia, which is majority Muslim, is even more peaceful occupying the 16th position.
For many of the poorest countries, over-population is sabotaging economic development. When the average girl has seven children, then things like safety nets or economic opportunities do not exist, and young boys fall through the cracks. These are not favorable demographics and what sociologists call "youth bulge". The people having the most children are often the poorest. This is true even in many ethnic ghettos in rich, developed countries. And the poorest are often the most religious. [URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx[/URL].
Vietnam was war-like in the 1970's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/444584/average-age-of-the-population-in-vietnam/[/URL].
Korea was war-like in the 1950's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/604689/median-age-of-the-population-in-south-korea/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Poverty does play a role in crime within a country as deprived and hungry people will resort to violence to satisfy their needs. However, there are many poor countries that have a low crime rate so its generally a mix of factors. Extremely religious countries tend to be aggressive militarily. Sexually repressed peoples are prone to violence and are easily misled by exploitative leaders.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2490999]Artemis may be able to get away with staying open if they close the bar and the food at those time slots. What a ridiculous bunch on nonsense.[/QUOTE]Correct.
You can get the virus if you drink beer from the bar after 11 pm but there is no danger if you go to room with a girl and exchange your saliva, with whom she did already with 15 other guys before you!!
So nonsense and ridiculous indeed.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2490952]One German monger reported on a German board that he got Coronavirus from a WG (not a FKK WG) he visited last Saturday. So still have to be careful if you don't want to get it.
Pessimist,
You quickly became one of the regular and very good posters on FKK threads:) I wish and think you would wish that you knew here 4 years ago when there were many more interesting characters and posters and the threads were much livelier and busier...[/QUOTE]Hello Sir,
Thank you for those extremely kind words. Sounds like you had great discussions then. I think my own participation ticked up in the last 6 months as we are all forced to be home. Easy to keep one window opened into ISG on my PC, while I am working in other windows and screens.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2491029] Extremely religious countries tend to be aggressive militarily. Sexually repressed peoples are prone to violence and are easily misled by exploitative leaders.[/QUOTE]It's easy to assert and repeat something again and again. To back it up is something entirely different. All sorts of peoples have been duped by exploitive leaders. A number of very religious countries have been shown as not especially violent. Then you had the complete swing and a miss with Latin America which is often violent, but not especially religious beyond half-assed formalities, plus is far from sexually repressed ta boot. So why not just give up on the circle jerk? Amazes me how many mongers see a need to validate their practices among their peers when such is far from necessary. Just go have fun!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2491099].......... Amazes me how many mongers see a need to validate their practices among their peers when such is far from necessary. ..............[/QUOTE]Look in the mirror.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490879]Well, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your theory. If genetic pools are so distinct from city to city, town to town, it is plausible. I am not sure they are. Frankly, I can't even tell the difference between all of them by the country although we all know a vast majority are Romies these days. And the girls must feel that way also because they blatantly lie and claim to be from Italy or Spain or Greece or wherever. So, a Romanian girl feels that at least some guys believe she is equally likely to be from Spain or Italy or Romania based in her looks and demeanor and she thinks she can get away with the lie because guys will be unable to tell her true origin.
I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.[/QUOTE]Interesting topic Pessimist! I would say the reason you have differences is to stand out. You go into a FKK with 30 girls, 'most' brown hair slim what's the difference between girl 7 and 23 if they BOTH say they are Romanian? But if one says she's from SPain you think. HMMMM different. Might try her. I have NO PROOF, but sometimes advertising just makes the same ol' stuff look better (NEW AND IMPROVED)?! Is it NEW or IMPROVED? HA.
As to rural vs urban, I think we have fantasies that have been shown in magazines for years that the farm girl is truly GND, not jaded. In the late 90's I spent a lot of time in South Africa. The 'farm girls' were supposedly the Mt Everest of experiences. They were always pitched as less polished, less jaded, more into just letting the sex drive them wild. I would see lots of girls tell guys they had just arrived from the outer regions (when I knew I had seen them a couple months before).
I go to an FKK not just to fuck a girl, but to buy (rent?) dreams.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2491431]Interesting topic Pessimist! I would say the reason you have differences is to stand out. You go into a FKK with 30 girls, 'most' brown hair slim what's the difference between girl 7 and 23 if they BOTH say they are Romanian? But if one says she's from SPain you think. HMMMM different. Might try her. I have NO PROOF, but sometimes advertising just makes the same ol' stuff look better (NEW AND IMPROVED)?! Is it NEW or IMPROVED? HA.
As to rural vs urban, I think we have fantasies that have been shown in magazines for years that the farm girl is truly GND, not jaded. In the late 90's I spent a lot of time in South Africa. The 'farm girls' were supposedly the Mt Everest of experiences. They were always pitched as less polished, less jaded, more into just letting the sex drive them wild. I would see lots of girls tell guys they had just arrived from the outer regions (when I knew I had seen them a couple months before).
I go to an FKK not just to fuck a girl, but to buy (rent?) dreams.[/QUOTE]Yes I get that; I can understand guys wanting variety. Heck, the reason I am wandering across the world like a fucking sex tourist is because home cooked meals are not always enough. But I looked for different tit shapes, faces, butt and body shapes, ways of speaking, shy v extrovert and other characteristics. Nationality is not a prime criterion for me nor does it to the variety. In any case, it is not verifiable as we all know.
With regards to the rural farm girls, I hope you got to do them in their home environments in SA. The thing with FKKs is that girls become wiser and get jaded very quickly. Even a relatively innocent rural girl learns the lay of the land in the club and in a few short months could become tough as nails. If you are lucky enough to catch the girl in her first week or two, you may have a great time. But as far as giving her the big O in the club because she happens to be a rural farm girl, that is a pipe dream in my view. First, I don't believe their fake O's. Some girls are expert enough to not only moan convincingly but also twitch their respective muscles in a believable way. I also don't think girls have too many real orgasms in these clubs after being fucked all day by so many guys and it really does not depend on whether she was from a rural or urban setting in the past.
But Mr. Sirioja claimed that rural Romies gave better service and I was curious what his reasoning or evidence was in making that claim.
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Faking O, is a strong weapon to make the guys come back, the guys are proud to bring a girl to O even it is a prostitute. I don t care if the girl have a O or not, and I always ask the girl to stop playing the porn actress with me. I never pay to rim a prostitute, even she ask me I will refuse. I never kiss a prostitute even some of them tried to kiss me I just turned my head, they were surprised. I prostitute is a prostitute, only beauty matters, for the rest I can get it for free in the normal life.
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Pessimist,
I was several time with girls in their family in Romania, sorry but they are coming from farmers family, in Europe farmers earn good money their daughters don't have to prostitute. All of them were living in middle size towns, in poor apartments build during soviet union time and bought at a very cheap price after the fall of the wall. Each time, despite the poor apartment most of them had a Mercedes, Audi, or BMW or at least a VW, those people are still under the big influence of advertisement.
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What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492017]What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.[/QUOTE]I think we learnt that since long time LOL!
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For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492017]What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.[/QUOTE]Admin moved some related comments to Covid thread. Ninja understand why but it is also important that this thread not only have views that all fine and fun. So EL comment welcome IMHO.
On current Berlin situation. Last week Berlin was near 500 new confirmed cases per day. Government now shutting restaurants and bars at 2300 hours. Artemis stays open without serving food or booze after 2300. But travelers should be aware Berlin now on both German internal quarantine lists, and several countries also like Switzerland. So if you travel from Berlin to example Munich you have to show recent negative test and still cannot stay over night in hotel if from Berlin. Other states allow travel but you must quarantine and show test result minimum of 5 days after arriving to stay.
All this varies from each German state. Happened last Thursday and many aspects still unclear and confusing. Governments can make big fines if not reporting correctly but not clear really how they can enforce all this. Still situation is serious and it changes every day. Some info here [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20201006/why-are-there-so-many-differences-in-travel-restrictions-within-germany[/URL] So those thinking about coming to Arts should factor this into planning. Not good situation and of course affects mood of all.
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[QUOTE=Outcast;2492173]True, is kind of crazy. But still, I think it's amazing that the club can continue to operate normally. In my region the clubs never re-opened since March. People who govern Berlin seem to be really reasonable. Prostitution will happen anyway, it would just be illegal and much more unsafe. I hope nothing changes this week, because my trip to Berlin is already planned. Again, kind of crazy. But these are crazy times.[/QUOTE]I hope you get there and enjoy your trip. The messages of doom from Expat Lover and Nooky Ninja are not wrong, and these guys are entitled to their opinions and to stay well away to keep themselves and others safe. Those who decide to attend (if they are now still able) know they are taking risks. The girls know this too. Each person there is deciding to take a risk. It is also true that they are deciding to take a risk of infecting others if they get the virus, are asymptomatic and give it to others. But this is no more the risk than sitting close to someone in a cafe. They touch a surface, then you do and get it.
Truth is that this is going to be with us for a long time. SARS happened 20 years ago. There is no vaccine against it yet. We have to just get on with it and enjoy life to the full.
I hope Admin again moves these comments to the appropriate thread regarding FKKs and Coronavirus. If not, every thread on ISG will be dominated by C19 comments. I still don't really know why anyone NOT intending to go to an FKK until this is all over (possibly meaning for the rest of their lives) are continuing to visit forums for people who are intending to go. Entirely their prerogative of course, but a bit like deciding to go to an Italian restaurant even though you don't eat Italian food! Really quite odd!
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2492306]I hope you get there and enjoy your trip. The messages of doom from Expat Lover and Nooky Ninja are not wrong, and these guys are entitled to their opinions and to stay well away to keep themselves and others safe. Those who decide to attend (if they are now still able) know they are taking risks. The girls know this too. Each person there is deciding to take a risk. It is also true that they are deciding to take a risk of infecting others if they get the virus, are asymptomatic and give it to others. But this is no more the risk than sitting close to someone in a cafe. They touch a surface, then you do and get it.
Truth is that this is going to be with us for a long time. SARS happened 20 years ago. There is no vaccine against it yet. We have to just get on with it and enjoy life to the full.
I hope Admin again moves these comments to the appropriate thread regarding FKKs and Coronavirus. If not, every thread on ISG will be dominated by C19 comments. I still don't really know why anyone NOT intending to go to an FKK until this is all over (possibly meaning for the rest of their lives) are continuing to visit forums for people who are intending to go. Entirely their prerogative of course, but a bit like deciding to go to an Italian restaurant even though you don't eat Italian food! Really quite odd![/QUOTE]Yeah agree with you, it's odd. It's like someone commenting on a peanut review saying everyone should stop eating peanuts because he just found out he now has peanut allergy. Very odd.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492177]For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.[/QUOTE]When girls are off from work for a day and I call to chat and I ask what are you doing? The answer is the same all the time: cleaning the house, cooking or watching tv. These creatures are women, the are designed to protect life and care about things. They don't engage much in anything outside the FKK or brothel. Social life, drinking and partying don't exist for them. They keep social distance, wear masks and follow the rules. My point, let them work! Don't take away their job from them, it's not going to stop, you only forcing P6 underground to benefit pimps and LE. Prostitution never stops being it a third world war or pandemic. Let them work, openly and safely, support their trade and efforts. Safety rules are fine, they follow them as much as they can. Closing a safe workplace for sex workers is the worst thing you can do, regardless of the reasons.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490879]I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.[/QUOTE]And the simple answer to this is a resounding no!
We do not live in the 1980's. This is 2020. We have internet!
So don't be even more naive.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2492389]And the simple answer to this is a resounding no!
We do not live in the 1980's. This is 2020. We have internet!
So don't be even more naive.[/QUOTE]I never said rural girls give better services, but I always said most of Romanians don't really come from Bucharest city or Constanza or Cluj as they lie, but from deep Romania, many from Moldovian part around Iasie, and as I find lies are so boring in land of lies, I find much more attractive when a girl tells me she is from Buzau, Timisoara, Pitesti or Craiova than always same lies coming from capital. I always find little part of truth much more interesting and attractive than always same lies, reason why I m so interested by their orgasmus, but only when you can't touch them because they are too sensitive now, because truth from inside a woman. Of course no interest for fake porn moanings, I even stop when they play this. I was really happy when Daniela LR who needed to tell me about my ex, confirmed me what she had told me when she started, before learning to lie and losing interest for me. Beauty, elegance, charm and truth are rare in FKK land of lies, why they worth much more for me, when so many lies are so boring, like just emptying balls, when little spark is so much more enjoyable. But you just have to be able to experience.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2492346]As I said in reply to Turgid, health concern is only one aspect of it for me; many other things need to fall into place before I can visit these clubs. In the meanwhile, chatting with likeminded people keeps whetting my appetite. Not that I need that much whetting; as it is I feel like I am famished LOL.[/QUOTE]Keep on whetting your appetite, thanks to the scaremongers they will rather close the clubs, instead of reopening them.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492017]What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid).[/QUOTE]And how many of those politicians died? Fact is that they all recovered within roughly 10 days or even quicker, just like a normal flu. So what's your point? They: they "lied" because they got a flu virus? Are you suggesting it's possible to stay free of viruses and bacteria for your entire life? Well, here's a pro-tip for you: stay away from hookers, FKKs or even sex and kissing or DATY a girl in general if you're scared of bacteria, STDs, or viruses. Perhaps join a church and live life as a monk without sex, locked up in a monastery for the rest of your life? That way you'll stay free of germs, viruses and bacteria, but it probably won't be much fun, LOL!
Even German state-owned media ARD Extra is now saying that all the scaremongering about "cases" is incorrect and that people should come to their senses. Oh, and these are not journalists or politicians saying this (they keep on spreading lies about the "dangers of SARC CoV2), but these are medical professors and virologists trying to stop the madness.
German state-owned ARD Extra mini-documentary about Covid19, in German: [URL]https://youtu.be/NV7BWpvpK7o[/URL].
Of course the scaremongers won't react to this video because 1, it doesn't suit their narrative, 2 they can't counter it with facts, and 3 they block all users who back up a different opinion with hard facts and links to official website, like the WHO website about the ineffectiveness of wearing masks.
[URL]https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-[/URL](2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote: "At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
"No direct evidence on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," but the fools here keep on destroying the FKK business!
The WHO is also now reversing on the effectiveness of lockdowns, but all the dumb sheep will run after the politicians and "authorities" who are locking down everything again: [URL]https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=20[/URL].
"Look what's happening to the tourism industry." "Lockdowns are making poor people a lot poorer."
The only point he was missing is "look what's happening to those poor Rumanian FKK girls!
If some people here are easily scared, fine, lock yourself into your home and wear 3 face masks in the supermarket, but stop everybody else from enjoying life!
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This below was posted in the GT thread, but since it's relevant to all of Germany and all clubs, I'll answer here in this thread.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2492237]I have seen this "24 hour rule" floated around the various forums, but I never saw a link posted to news article or RKI website. Admittedly, I just scanned very quickly. Is the 24 hour guideline only applicable for transit through Germany? In other words, a guest worker driving from Belgium back to his home in Romania, which allows him to stay overnight at a hotel en route?[/QUOTE]So much bullshit written on this forum, mostly by people who blindly subscribe to the scaremongering view of the mainstream media, and are unable to think even one millimeter outside the box or consider other facts.
Here is the link (in English) from the RKI: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Anordnung_BMG_2020-09-29_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].
I sort of remember previously there was a 72 hour rule, but I'd have to go back in the archives to find that, but I'm too busy now to delve into that. What's important and relevant is the latest information in the above link, and there is nothing written about 24 or 72 hours in there.
Here is an RKI list (pdf in English) of all countries affected: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_07102020_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].
And here is the main page where the updated lists are published: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html[/URL].
You can avoid self-quarantine by providing a negative PCR test, not older than 48 hours: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Tests/Test_07102020_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].
The main page for the above link is here, where you'll be able to find updates if anything changes: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Tests.html[/URL].
When the few clubs that managed to open will close again: thank the scaremongers here!
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2492331]When girls are off from work for a day and I call to chat and I ask what are you doing? The answer is the same all the time: cleaning the house, cooking or watching tv. These creatures are women, the are designed to protect life and care about things. They don't engage much in anything outside the FKK or brothel. Social life, drinking and partying don't exist for them..[/QUOTE]Not expressing my opinion on the main thrust of your comment but don't you think the explanation for the first part of your comment is because most of those girls are Romanian, in a foreign country, don't have own car / may not know how to drive, live on prem in the club, may not have much social skills / friends outside the club? I suspect the German local girls would definitely have more life" as you put it. For that matter, many guys may not have much life besides work and home.
When you ask the Romie girls about their vacations, they light up. They do spend time on the beach, hit up the night spots in their home cities in Romania, whatnot.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2492579]So much bullshit written on this forum, mostly by people who blindly subscribe to the scaremongering view of the mainstream media,![/QUOTE]Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.
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Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you want the reality does not exists. I am 60+ and I never saw such a terrific situation. Everyone knows that wearing a mask brings the people to be globally more careful. The situation that you describe for Germany is wrong, I am half German and I can tell you that the situation is deteriorating quickly there same in France and Spain. Britain is thinking about a new lock down. I have no solutions, I just believe that by restricting as much as possible all my social activities I protect myself and also the others.
It is stupid to underestimate the power of the covid by saying Trump got sick but after 10 days he is fit again, are you so sure about it? Do you believe you will can the same treatment? You have the right to play with your life but not with the life of the others, just imagine that after a FKK visit you infect one of your family member who needs to be hospitalized despite he / she is in good health and 42 YO, but unfortunately because of the behaviour of so many people who are not taking enough care, the hospital is fully booked, there is no bed free. May be you will change a little bit the way you think.
The politicians are so anxious just because they know that the medical capacities are limited and that very quickly the things can get out of control, the worst is to come concerning the covid at least in Europe.
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Figures are more than 1 million deaths from covid. US have nearly as many as Western Europe. Nobody know for China. Much too many deaths, around 40 thousands, for my country, in my opinion, and even less than from cigaret or pollution. Now also grippe arriving.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2492662]Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.[/QUOTE]If you're such a 'genius' then tell us what the mortality rate is! It's barely higher than the normal flu, 99% make a full recovery, and most people don't even realise that they are "positive" unless they take a test.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2492662]Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.[/QUOTE]One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"
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EL: sorry but never in peace times the medical system from many developed countries, US, France, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain. Had to face such a dangerous situation, surgery acts for many patients with cancer, heart disease. Have to be postponed just because there are too many cases of covid 19, the situation is again getting critical in many places, the deaths toll is far higher only for the US they speak about 75000 more, all the politicians, doctors are not stupid they have 0 interest to make the situation worst than the reality. You should not only look about the deaths (already very high) but also about the people who recovered some needed months to be at 100% like before some never fully recovered.
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Mortality rate is not everything we should worry about
For all those posters who keep looking just at the mortality rate of Covid-19, which is still much higher than that of the flu, you are failing to consider the long term, or even permanent, consequences of many that recover from this new infection. We also simply don't know what long-term effects the virus will have on pregnant women, on their fetus development, young people etc. So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2492681]One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"[/QUOTE]To each his own. Girls are desperate for money and men are desperate for their pussy they know the risks. They live w / the consequences should something happen but some of the men I've seen in the clubs look like they can die any day anyways so let them do what they want. We'll see what new restrictions comes out tomorrow anyways.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2492708]To each his own. Girls are desperate for money and men are desperate for their pussy they know the risks. They live w / the consequences should something happen but some of the men I've seen in the clubs look like they can die any day anyways so let them do what they want. We'll see what new restrictions comes out tomorrow anyways.[/QUOTE]Hehe LOL xD you are right, everyone's know there risk in front of there reward.
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7,818,322,117 Current World Population.
Covid 19 death = 1,089,038.
Average death age is with Covid 19 > 80.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2492681]One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"[/QUOTE]She is not dead but others have died. So what's the takeaway if a guy says "I have been smoking from the age of 15; if this tobacco was so dead, I should have been dead by now!
P.S. Anyway, didn't you argue with me in Jan and Feb that every single Asian, regardless of whether he had Chinese passport or any other passport, regardless of whether the Asian was already inside DE, should not be let inside the clubs? Now, when there are thousand times more infections in DE and all over the world, your view is that we should ignore the virus and pretend it is nothing?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2492701]For all those posters who keep looking just at the mortality rate of Covid-19, which is still much higher than that of the flu, you are failing to consider the long term, or even permanent, consequences of many that recover from this new infection. We also simply don't know what long-term effects the virus will have on pregnant women, on their fetus development, young people etc. So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.[/QUOTE]I totally agree here. Can also add that reports suggest that people are getting micro scars in their lungs from this virus. And that due to this, each consecutive time you get infected and get ill from it, can make the repercussions to your lungs worse and worse. Even if you survive the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time around.
When it comes to vaccines, we should all consider what the Belgian doctors were saying: flu vaccines are pretty much useless! Because of the mutation rate. And they are not even effective at all with the 60+ generation! Pluss the dangers of serious side effects!
AstraZeneca vaccine side effect: myelitis (= no cock nerve contact).
Johnson & Johnson vaccine side effect: so terrible that they are hiding it from the public!
And this is just the start of a horror show of vaccine side effects that will ravage the world in years to come!
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And who can we blame for this?
Well, the lab who made the virus was a cooperation lab between France and China. And funded by the US deep state. I will let the smart guys figure out the rest. Although I suspect the dumb guys will be the ones responding.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2492701]So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with this part. It's very similar to obesity (smoking or drug addictions) and it's potential long-term damages, which affects quality of life for many people.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2492317]It's like someone commenting on a peanut review saying everyone should stop eating peanuts because he just found out he now has peanut allergy. Very odd.[/QUOTE]Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
Why would e. g. Berlin city government (or Federal) really want to shoot economy for "no" reason. Because it will make them popular and get re-elected? Defies all logic. Same in Netherlands, UK, Switz, Austria, Spain, France. This is simply not time for FKK Travel.
Must say this to also protect Berlin. ICU beds starting to also get stressed in certain hospitals and these things have lag of 1-3 weeks. Ninja know several Berlin city gov. Staff who love FKK. Had long talks in Artemis about sector importance to economy, image of Berlin as free wild place, etc. They are freaking out now because they see what is coming.
Will hear usual complaints this but numbers everywhere are now so large that sex travel just unwise. You make own decision and of course just like in Russian roulette, you can get lucky. FKK will eventually bounce back, maybe next summer if vaccines work at scale. Hope so. Am done with this, last comment for months now. You all know what to do. Good luck, stay informed, stay safe, keep eye on Berlin city website and overall travel news. No idea where all this is going. Finis.
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Today at 2 PM a important meeting in Berlin between Merkel and the regions, on the able the lock down of the FKK. In the most infected areas.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2492876]Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
Why would e. g. Berlin city government (or Federal) really want to shoot economy for "no" reason. Because it will make them popular and get re-elected? Defies all logic. Same in Netherlands, UK, Switz, Austria, Spain, France. This is simply not time for FKK Travel.
Must say this to also protect Berlin. ICU beds starting to also get stressed in certain hospitals and these things have lag of 1-3 weeks. Ninja know several Berlin city gov. Staff who love FKK. Had long talks in Artemis about sector importance to economy, image of Berlin as free wild place, etc. They are freaking out now because they see what is coming.
Will hear usual complaints this but numbers everywhere are now so large that sex travel just unwise. You make own decision and of course just like in Russian roulette, you can get lucky. FKK will eventually bounce back, maybe next summer if vaccines work at scale. Hope so. Am done with this, last comment for months now. You all know what to do. Good luck, stay informed, stay safe, keep eye on Berlin city website and overall travel news. No idea where all this is going. Finis.[/QUOTE]I hear your concerns about the virus, but why on a sex forum? Wouldn't a science or medical or health forum, or even a general forum like Facebook be a more appropriate place to discuss our virus concerns? I agree that there's some connections with a sex forum, eg specific information about which clubs are open / close during this pandemic or which girls are working now or not, etc etc specific information. But general discussions about the good / bad status of any city or country under the pandemic is still odd in a sex forum. In a sex forum though, I would love to read how my fellow mongers are getting their sex or sexual fetishes during this pandemic. For everything else, I would try to use relevant appropriate forums.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2492876]Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
[/QUOTE]I believe an increase in cases is expected because of seasonality and that is what we are seeing now. In most countries in Europe there hasn't been any excess mortality since June which then effectively is when the pandemic ended in Europe. Of course, with the level of testing now, there will be a sharp increase in number of cases but the relevant measurement should be number of deaths and number of Intensive Care cases compared to earlier years. I live in Sweden, we never had a lock-down, we don't use masks and we have accelerating under-mortality compared to the latest five years. Remember that one of the principal strategies for politicans is scare mongering because it gives them more power.
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Oregon96 : The results of Sweden are not good at all, 10 M people, 6000 deaths, it is even worse than France and far from Germany good results. The politicians don't care about mongering it is so marginal in the global GDP.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2492970]I believe an increase in cases is expected because of seasonality and that is what we are seeing now. In most countries in Europe there hasn't been any excess mortality since June which then effectively is when the pandemic ended in Europe. Of course, with the level of testing now, there will be a sharp increase in number of cases but the relevant measurement should be number of deaths and number of Intensive Care cases compared to earlier years. I live in Sweden, we never had a lock-down, we don't use masks and we have accelerating under-mortality compared to the latest five years. Remember that one of the principal strategies for politicans is scare mongering because it gives them more power.[/QUOTE]Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2492976]Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.[/QUOTE]True, Sweden lost a lot of people early on in this pandemic, very likely older people with various underlying conditions and lower natural immunity. But, isn't Sweden's daily death rates (both 7 days and 3 days moving averages) are 0.1 or less per million residents for a while now (started declining in July), and it is pretty steady, whereas almost every other European countries are seeing increases (and many much higher than 0.1, even Germany is seeing double the death rates per million people now compared to Sweden) in that same daily deaths per million residents? What does that tell us about the long term strength or weakness of Sweden's Covid strategy?
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2492723]Average death age is with Covid 19 > 80.[/QUOTE]Would like to know where you found this data. I have never been able to find anything to back up this claim.
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We are not far from full closure of the DE redlight district. NL is closed already.
You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2493035]We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]1) How many people did you see in clubs without masks?
2) What did you do about it? Did you confront those people? Did you tell club management?
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2493035]You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]I already predicted in July that any reopening of clubs brothels would be short-lived, and fools like yourself are now believing the hype that "we are part of this."
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2465491]Well, I'm very much afraid that the authorities are deliberately setting prostitutes / customers / brothels up for permanent closures or totalitarian tracking apps on smartphones in case CV19 starts spreading again in autumn.
It will be easy to be point fingers at brothels, prostitutes, and their customers for not providing / checking contact data, or accepting / providing false contact data.
The end conclusion is simple and foreseeable as authorities will say: "you see, people can not be trusted, so now we need to shut down brothels and force everybody to install totalitarian CV19 tracking apps on phones to monitor everybody 24/7. "
There is already a lot of media hype about every new case of CV19, and the stage for a second wave (real or imagined) is set. Furthermore, for ideological reasons, any successful treatment of CV19 is deliberately blocked by most western governments and the WHO because this was endorsed by Trump. In my country, doctors who successfully treated many patients with hydroxychloroquine + vitamine see, the + zinc are being silenced by the health authorities and shamed in the media for being quacks.[/QUOTE]
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Any updates on Artemis (Berlin)?
Is it still open as normal, or are there restrictions in Berlin now?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2492976]Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.[/QUOTE]Fully understand people living in countries with constant scare mongering are afraid. I believe in science, which is clear that the situation in most of Europe is not worse than any of the latest five years. In respect of comparing Scandinavian countries, fully understand people believe they are very similar but in reality there are huge differences in population, health status, social structures, living locations, CV19 categorisation, earlier flu season fatalities, elderly care regulations, etc, all of which surely has contributed to the higher death rates in Sweden than say Norway. So not necessarily dependent on CV19 strategies. Sweden is really the only country with a science based CV19 strategy and fully in line with the WHO recommendations from Nov 2019.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2493035]You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]I think you mean well but the closure has nothing to do with sex. The Dutch government would allow the wellness and the rooms to stay open. But it is the bar and restaurant that need to close down like all restaurants and bars in Holland. That is simply not a manageable situation. But in general you do have a good point. Closed areas with a lot of people with a lot of interaction are the perfect situation for super spreaders. So, just plain luck that no massive outbreak occurred in SS. What are the odds. SS just was lucky. My guess now is that the new measures will not improve the situation in Holland. The spreading started to increase dramatically in Amsterdam in July and has gone too far now. It won't be stopped without a total lockdown. Probably in two or four weeks. Lasting till Christmas. I hope I will be wrong but I was right the last few months.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492177]For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.[/QUOTE]Salaam Expat. I am also following this policy, at least half way. Ever since the pandemic began I have taken care to maintain strict social distancing from people I don't like. Recently, in compliance with recommendations on mental health, I extended my policy to include Internet activity.
Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.
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As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines!
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EL: it is because that so many people don't take seriously the covid that we are facing a big second wave in Europe with a lot of new terrible restrictions. I don t know which kind of information do you need to start to act. Internet is a tool to get informed and to act. I also don't like people who don't care about the others who just think about their little pleasure, who are acting like the covid does not exist, but what I dislike the most are married or man in fix relation visiting prostitutes without telling it to their partners.
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Dear PayForIt,
FKK is not a normal business, the owners are not normal business men, recommend you to check a little who they are, which kind of activities they are controlling, how many times a lot of them have to deal with the police or had to go to court and were sentenced. Yes for the luckiest guys this stuff times will push them out of their sex addiction (fortunately took place for me in 2018) and after that you see the things from a very different point of view just because you are no more addicted and you don t try to find stupid excuses to justify your behaviour.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493424]Salaam Expat. I am also following this policy, at least half way. Ever since the pandemic began I have taken care to maintain strict social distancing from people I don't like. Recently, in compliance with recommendations on mental health, I extended my policy to include Internet activity.
Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.[/QUOTE]Imma follow your steps Poly. One girl told me this few days ago: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!" Given my handling of public door handles, windows, tables and using public toilets in last 6 months in FKKs, bars and clubs, how come I'm not dead yet? Or maybe I'm actually dead but this is just my 2019 persona writing in 2020? I'm also trying to find how many FKK girls died from this virus so far (RIP their souls, it's sad), given such a high percentage of deaths reported by all the reputed news media.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2493174]1) How many people did you see in clubs without masks?
2) What did you do about it? Did you confront those people? Did you tell club management?[/QUOTE]I was in a few clubs (in Austria). Everyone had masks on. All the time.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493424]Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.[/QUOTE]In addition, primitive tropical tribes were living in a constant FKK environment! LOL.
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[QUOTE=DioRetz;2493298]I think you mean well but the closure has nothing to do with sex. The Dutch government would allow the wellness and the rooms to stay open. But it is the bar and restaurant that need to close down like all restaurants and bars in Holland. That is simply not a manageable situation. But in general you do have a good point. Closed areas with a lot of people with a lot of interaction are the perfect situation for super spreaders. So, just plain luck that no massive outbreak occurred in SS. What are the odds. SS just was lucky. My guess now is that the new measures will not improve the situation in Holland. The spreading started to increase dramatically in Amsterdam in July and has gone too far now. It won't be stopped without a total lockdown. Probably in two or four weeks. Lasting till Christmas. I hope I will be wrong but I was right the last few months.[/QUOTE]I really admire the authorities in Europe with the opening of sex establishments. If they were backward they could have used this pandemic to completely shut down the brothels and FKKs for all time. However, they are civilized and are aware of the need for sex relief so allowed sex clubs to reopen even though covid 19 was not eliminated. This augurs well for the future of our hobby and the well being of men and women in such countries as the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2493483]I was in a few clubs (in Austria). Everyone had masks on. All the time.[/QUOTE]No mask on July and August in Austria: at GT and Wellcum. No mask in Switzerland until yesterday. No mask when sitting and chatting with girls in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2493609]No mask on July and August in Austria: at GT and Wellcum. No mask in Switzerland until yesterday. No mask when sitting and chatting with girls in Germany.[/QUOTE]Yes, my bad. We could take them off while sitting.
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New revelations on Covid death count: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2493438]As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
[/QUOTE]So very true. The plants were the original chemists. Animals used motion to flee danger and reproduce, but plants didn't have that: all they had was chemistry and that was how they survived. When animals arrived on the scene, plants used them to spread their seed, and co-evolved with them / us over millions of years. But in modern industrial civilization we are increasingly cut off from our botanical mentors and trillions of dollars are spent suppressing simple weeds -- part of it, as you suggest, is so that pharmaceutical companies can have their patents.
Even more greatly ignored: the fungi. They are a separate Kingdom, preceding the plants and the animals. It was they who helped the plants crawl out of the seas and onto land. Today the fungi form an immense hidden network underground sharing nutrients and providing them to the forests above: the Internet of Nature. And they have even more to teach us humans directly, as shown in many clinical trials -- the ones that weren't suppressed by the powers-that-be.
But if all the flora and fauna of the world were destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, the mushrooms would get to work rebuilding everything. Sure, at a superficial level it would set things back a few hundred million years; but a lot would have been learnt in the process. Next time: no Trump, no Coronavirus, no CBJs, none of that.
"The garden of the world has no limits, except in your mind. " -- Jalāl ad-Din Muhammad Rumī
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493661]So very true. The plants were the original chemists. Animals used motion to flee danger and reproduce, but plants didn't have that: all they had was chemistry and that was how they survived. When animals arrived on the scene, plants used them to spread their seed, and co-evolved with them / us over millions of years. But in modern industrial civilization we are increasingly cut off from our botanical mentors and trillions of dollars are spent suppressing simple weeds -- part of it, as you suggest, is so that pharmaceutical companies can have their patents.
Even more greatly ignored: the fungi. They are a separate Kingdom, preceding the plants and the animals. It was they who helped the plants crawl out of the seas and onto land. Today the fungi form an immense hidden network underground sharing nutrients and providing them to the forests above: the Internet of Nature. And they have even more to teach us humans directly, as shown in many clinical trials -- the ones that weren't suppressed by the powers-that-be.
But if all the flora and fauna of the world were destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, the mushrooms would get to work rebuilding everything. Sure, at a superficial level it would set things back a few hundred million years; but a lot would have been learnt in the process. Next time: no Trump, no Coronavirus, no CBJs, none of that.
"The garden of the world has no limits, except in your mind. " -- Jalāl ad-Din Muhammad Rumī[/QUOTE]As long as I don't have to deal with CBJs and fuck a condom in that new world, I am down.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2493445]Dear PayForIt,
this stuff times will push them out of their sex addiction (fortunately took place for me in 2018)[/QUOTE]For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2493687]
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.[/QUOTE]Unless you're a washing machine for the underworld. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police[/URL].
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2493687]For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.[/QUOTE]Sound more like frustration than to really switch off, then would be no need to write many posts daily, always about better not to go.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2493641]Yes, my bad. We could take them off while sitting.[/QUOTE]No mask at all on my 6 Austrian visits on this Summer and no mask on my many visits in Switzerland. I wonder how will be Globe now with mask. I will go only for my German orgasmic machine beauty.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2493687]For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.[/QUOTE]With in legal frame, I am addicted to sex, I always will be addicted to sex!
But one thing for real is that I lived among the best sex life in the world from the standpoint of beauty level of the stunner girls I had sex with and I am proud and grateful for my addiction to sex with young stunner beauties and my willingness to make all this come true into reality!
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2493690]Unless you're a washing machine for the underworld. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police[/URL].[/QUOTE]This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.
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EL: Yes very good idea, if 1 day you will catch the covid may be you will start to think it it is nit too late.
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It doesn't get more scientific than this:
A new study, published on the WHO website and written by one of the world's leading epidemiologists, Paul Ioannidis:
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]
Page 7: "The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0. 27% (corrected 0.23%".
Page 7: "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."
In other words, for an average 99,77% (and even 99,95% if under 70) of the population, this "deadly" virus will not lead to death.
So this is what we are shutting down the economy for? This is why FKK clubs are closed? This is why we are surrendering our civil liberties?
This isn't just "fake news. " This comes from the WHO, just like the WHO link about the lack of effectiveness of masks that I posted a few weeks ago.
Paul Ioannidis: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis[/URL].
More facts that the usual scaremongers on this forum who put me on the ignore-list can chose to ignore. The silence and ignorance to new facts and studies here is deafening, but I guess most people (especially men) are ashamed to admit that they have been scared without reason and have been fooled.
You think FKK clubs or the economy as a whole can financially survive another 3-6 months (until next spring) if a new closure order comes from the government? Keep on ignoring me, and soon FKKs will be closed forever, and even if they reopen, the economy and pension system will be so devastated after new lockdowns that you won't be able to afford traveling for Germany anymore.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2493789]This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.[/QUOTE]Tax evasion and FKK clubs go together. Where is the surprise? Can't you see that they don't have electronic cash register on entry? Even Artemis accepted card payments only after it was raided.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2493789] Suggest we all move off personal attacks.[/QUOTE]Lest it be considered otherwise. I had no intention of "attacking" EL when he comments about beating his sex addiction. I think you'll find I said I'm happy for him. But I expressed an opinion that it is therefore odd that he makes so many contributions to sex forums. This is not an attack. It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them. Bit like Pessimist saying he likes reading the thoughts of like minded people. What was my response - "fair comment". A long way from any attacks.
Stay safe, keep well. Good wishes to all.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2493438]As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines![/QUOTE]Apparently it needs to be mixed with something else. Hydroxychloroquine itself is not enough. But I am sure you can find the other ingredients in nature as well if you look well enough! And try to rid yourself of the medical establishment draconic narcissistic propaganda.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2493438]As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines![/QUOTE]Tell me again how paracetamol was made?
What plant naturally forms ethyl ether, the original inhalation general anesthetic used for surgery? Or halothane, the precursor to modern anesthesia.
And by repackaged, I guess you mean using principles of organic and biochemistry to alter a molecule to remove toxic properties found in nature in order to harvest the therapeutic properties. No big deal, medicine is stupid. Let's revert back to pre vaccine days when we die at 30 from polio and smallpox.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2493815]Lest it be considered otherwise. I had no intention of "attacking" EL when he comments about beating his sex addiction. I think you'll find I said I'm happy for him. But I expressed an opinion that it is therefore odd that he makes so many contributions to sex forums. This is not an attack. It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them. Bit like Pessimist saying he likes reading the thoughts of like minded people. What was my response - "fair comment". A long way from any attacks.
Stay safe, keep well. Good wishes to all.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Totalitarian Snowflake World where any form of disagreement is a 'personal attack,' and where people put other users on the ignore-list when they say something or think different.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2493815]It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them.[/QUOTE]Point is all this very wide of mark re situation in Artemis and Berlin which is purpose of thread.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2493855]Point is all this very wide of mark re situation in Artemis and Berlin which is purpose of thread.[/QUOTE]PayForIt didn't raise that topic he merely responded to someone else's post.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2493789]This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.[/QUOTE]That was meant to be example of where basic economics doesn't apply. Maybe you should educate yourself about the Hells Angels.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2493803]A new study, published on the WHO website and written by one of the world's leading epidemiologists, Paul Ioannidis:
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]
Page 7: "The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0. 27% (corrected 0.23%".
Page 7: "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."
In other words, for an average 99,77% (and even 99,95% if under 70) of the population, this "deadly" virus will not lead to death.
So this is what we are shutting down the economy for? This is why FKK clubs are closed? This is why we are surrendering our civil liberties?
This isn't just "fake news. " This comes from the WHO, just like the W.[/QUOTE]For the tenth time there's more at stake with Covid than life and death. There's plenty of evidence to that effect, for any honest person that knows how to use Google. And 215,000+ Americans have died from Covid in nine months, approaching eight times that of a normal flu season. So, we want to social distance (6 ft) and wear masks when such is difficult or impossible. There's also plenty of evidence that masks help a lot, both from controlled laboratory stories and from the successes of many countries, especially Asian ones that diligently implemented these strategies. Not to mention that we do not want our hospital systems overwhelmed again, so we must stay the course for a bit longer until a vaccine is widely available. Until then you can either jack off or go with girls willing to take chances. Crying day after day in a monger forum isn't going to change that. And you aren't worth blocking. If I read something silly I may or may not respond, depends on how much time I have on my hands. And yes, the Fox News crowd is growing more and more desperate by the day, so there's a whole lot of silliness in internet forums these days.
[URL]https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/efficacy-facemasks-coronavirus.php[/URL]
"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.
The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.
The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.
'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients.'
The study also shows more than two thirds of the patients who experienced altered brain function were unable to take care of themselves in the days after being discharged from the hospital.
'We are now looking to characterize the long-term neurologic effects of COVID-19 and the cognitive outcomes in patients with COVID-19-associated encephalopathy," says Dr. Koralnik. "We're studying this in patients who are discharged from the hospital, as well as in COVID-19 'long-haulers,' who have never been hospitalized but also suffer from a similar range of neurological problems, including brain fog.'
[URL]https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-sym...virus/6785487/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2493801]EL: Yes very good idea, if 1 day you will catch the covid may be you will start to think it it is nit too late.[/QUOTE]When my Globe charming beauty is off, the only girl to drive to at the moment for me, so today, I made a real test about covid, after visiting Switzerland, Austria and Germany since 4 months, climbing legendary Mont Ventoux from Malaucene, topless up to chalet Liotard at 1450 m high and 5 degrees, putting on something up to top, but then losing performance, maybe also because stressed on wet with few ice road. If I m still alive, tomorrow again from Bedoin through forest, and I dream of col Agnel 2744 m high where snow, but still open. My good tests about covid, being topless under 5 degrees, when unfortunately, legendary Galibier and Bonette are closed.
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Is Berlin
Is Berlin being locked down now or?
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Additional Cleaning?
For those that have been to the clubs, have you noticed any additi o names cleaning? Are they running into the rooms when people leave, wiping down all surfaces with disinfecting cloths, are they misting with electrostatic misters? Etc.
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Additional Cleaning?
For those that have been to the clubs, have you noticed any additi o names cleaning? Are they running into the rooms when people leave, wiping down all surfaces with disinfecting cloths, are they misting with electrostatic misters? Etc.
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'Died with' or 'died from' Covid19?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493937]For the tenth time there's more at stake with Covid than life and death. There's plenty of evidence to that effect, for any honest person that knows how to use Google. And 215,000+ Americans have died from Covid in nine months, approaching eight times that of a normal flu season.[/QUOTE]Do you blindly believe all the scary headlines in the mainstream media, then what are you doing on a P6 forum? What are you doing in FKK clubs? You believe the mainstream feminist propaganda about how "all prostitutes are victims" as well? Or are you picking your favourite "scary headlines" while ignoring the rest?
For the millionth time, those "deaths" are massively over-counted. Look beyond the mainstream "panic" headlines.
[URL]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-uk-overestimates-coronavirus-death-toll.html[/URL]
[URL]https://theconversation.com/died-from-or-died-with-covid-19-we-need-a-transparent-approach-to-counting-coronavirus-deaths-145438[/URL]
Even some idiot who wrapped his motorbike around a tree and tested "positive" in the autopsy afterwards, was marked as a "Covid19 death" in Florida. We only know about it because that guy Dr. Raul Pino in the video fucked up and said something he wasn't supposed to say at 0:50.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvOdlE985vw[/URL]
[URL]https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report[/URL]
Belgium is also massively over-counting it's Covid19 deaths: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/belgiums-coronavirus-overcounting-controversy/a-53660975[/URL].
Despite mandatory masks almost everywhere, "cases" are still rising: [URL]https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/facemask/[/URL].
I live in Belgium and everybody obeys the rules about mask wearing. Every shop, business or building I go into, people are wearing masks, and yet "cases" still climb: [URL]https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/news/[/URL].
What does that tell you about wearing masks? Maybe you should wear 3 masks at the same time! Or 4?! Or buy one of those military gas masks?! And also buy some earplugs and a blindfold, because people are stupid and want to be brainwashed! LOL!
Oh yes, and regarding all those "positive tests," have a listen to the inventor of the PCR himself, about "diagnosing" viruses or even sickness using his PCR test: Covid19: [URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/u7Jznw9jJ9Nf/[/URL].
"And with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody."
Even some dead piece of virus can make you test "positive" for SARC-CoV2, even though your immune system has effectively combated it and you had no symptoms.
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For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8[/URL]
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.
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An interesting article today in London's The Sunday Times newspaper.
The UK's Deputy Chief Medical officer is optimistic that the Oxford / Astra Zeneca vaccine will be available to commence vaccinate for the "vulnerable & old people" in the UK in January.
Updated reports on the third & final stage of the trial are expected at the end of this month & next.
So it could be the beginning of the end.
Just wanted to share a bit of good news to you all and maybe like me give hope to the probability of ALL FKK Clubs opening next year sometime.
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For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.
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I realize DonTrump and HammerHammer want to reopen everything like yesterday and that we should all hig and blow into each other's mouth, but it seems Europe is going in the other direction. See the snippet from FT below. I wonder how long will they keep these clubs open? I guess the ones like Mr PFI that made the most of the few weeks of open clubs are the smart and lucky ones.
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/700355e2-362c-4f9f-a24e-ddc9f6ea9cb0[/URL]
""Europe's economy is sliding towards a double-dip recession, with economists warning that rising coronavirus infections and fresh government restrictions on people's movement are likely to cut short the region's recent recovery.
Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have all announced measures in the past week to contain the second wave of Covid-19 infections, with more expected in the coming days.
On Sunday, Belgium announced the closure of all bars and cafés for four weeks, while Switzerland widened its mandate for mask-wearing. France put into effect a night curfew in Paris and other cities from Saturday.
The measures follow a sharp rise in case numbers, with a number of European countries reporting record new daily infection figures over the weekend.
"I can't believe how fast the second wave has hit," said Katharina Utermöhl, senior economist at Allianz. "We now see growth turning negative in several countries in the fourth quarter — another recession is absolutely possible. ".
A recent FT analysis of Google community mobile data found that after rising for months, footfall in cafés, restaurants, retail and leisure venues started in early October to decline again in many European cities, including Paris, London, Amsterdam, Berlin and Madrid. ".
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2494073]For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8[/URL]
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.[/QUOTE]I don't like humour, didn t even read, when more than 1 million deaths and much too many in my country, even tested for second day my lungs and heart, and wish to return, when couldn't climb above chalet Raynard because car race on closed road with some Ferrari, Porsche 911 GT3's, Lamborghini, Nissan GTR, Corvette, Camaro, some Lotus with 1 real race car, RS8 V10. What the fuck, couldn t climb 6 last kilometers after the forest which is the most climby and when road was closed, they drove on right line turning in curves, didn t even see one going straight in curves and they even braked when climbing, when driving cars with more than 600 power, few with more than 700 , and breaking in climbing opened curves.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494188]For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.[/QUOTE]Congratulations! 7 billion people in the world, and you find one person of 33 who died. Next time, please post a link so people can verify your claims.
Let's look at some facts;.
[URL]https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex[/URL]
"Deaths have been reported in those aged in their 30's to their 100's. The majority of deaths have been reported in people aged 70 years and over. " You need a magnifying glass to see the number in the 30-39 age group on that chart.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]#AgeAndSex.
Have a look at the 25-34 age group, and compare that to that of people 65 years old. Again: crystal clear that SARC CoV2 (just like the regular flu) affects older people much more.
Same for Germany: [URL]https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1104173/umfrage/todesfaelle-aufgrund-des-coronavirus-in-deutschland-nach-geschlecht/[/URL].
Again, look at the charts and look at the numbers. In 2020, eighteen people died of Covid 19 in Germany. And were these healthy people? And were these people with severe obesity, hearth problems, immune system problems, or other serious health issues?
"Der Altersmedian der Sterbefälle lag bei 82 Jahren. " Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494188]For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2494239]Congratulations! 7 billion people in the world, and you find one person of 33 who died. Next time, please post a link so people can verify your claims.[/QUOTE]Was not too difficult to Google: [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html[/URL].
His widow's Instagram. She has 5 million followers: [URL]https://www.instagram.com/sofia_stuzhuk[/URL].
This 33 yo had 1 million followers. Three beautiful kids and a wife.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2494239] Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.[/QUOTE]If people only look for the data they will get this conclusion (( Covid 19 is not scary as it thought to be back in March when lacking data)) BUT I think many don't understand these data and dont compare them to other risks in life! because The News only focusing on Covid 19 and thats make a huge impact on most people, that's sucks and I hope it ends very soon.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2494272]If people only look for the data they will get this conclusion (( Covid 19 is not scary as it thought to be back in March when lacking data)) BUT I think many don't understand these data and dont compare them to other risks in life! because The News only focusing on Covid 19 and thats make a huge impact on most people, that's sucks and I hope it ends very soon.[/QUOTE]In other news from turkey:
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852535/Ukrainian-fitness-Instagram-influencer-33-thought-Covid-didnt-exist-dies-coronavirus.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2494198]I realize DonTrump and HammerHammer want to reopen everything like yesterday and that we should all hig and blow into each other's mouth, but it seems Europe is going in the other direction. See the snippet from FT below. I wonder how long will they keep these clubs open? I guess the ones like Mr PFI that made the most of the few weeks of open clubs are the smart and lucky ones.
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/700355e2-362c-4f9f-a24e-ddc9f6ea9cb0[/URL]
""Europe's economy is sliding towards a double-dip recession, with economists warning that rising coronavirus infections and fresh government restrictions on people's movement are likely to cut short the region's recent recovery.
Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have all announced measures in the past week to contain the second wave of Covid-19 infections, with more expected in the coming days.
On Sunday, Belgium announced the closure of all bars and cafs for four weeks, while Switzerland widened its mandate for mask-wearing. France put into effect a night curfew in Paris and other cities from Saturday.
The measures follow a sharp rise in case numbers, with a number of European countries reporting record new daily infection figures over the weekend..[/QUOTE]All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494307]All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.[/QUOTE]All Sweden did was sacrifice the lives of 5000+ of their citizens, with 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway. That's a lot of needless carnage chasing herd immunity, a strategy virtually every contagious disease specialist opposes. As to the present, medical communities have improved at treating Covid, plus more vulnerable populations are doing more to protect themselves. We need to wait on the vaccines, will not be much longer. In the meantime you and Hammer Time can jack off or find independent sex workers that are willing to take chances.
P.S. There's more on the table with this than death rates, as protracted health complications are common. Google is your friend, or if you like check my last post. I provided links.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494307]All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.[/QUOTE]Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2494073]For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8[/URL]
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.[/QUOTE]Don't click this video off guys. It gets better and better throughout. I started laughing at the lightning part.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2494239]"Der Altersmedian der Sterbeflle lag bei 82 Jahren. " Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.[/QUOTE]The mean age for deaths is much lower than that in the USA, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC). And of course there's more at stake with Covid than life and death, but also protracted and at times debilitating health problems. You can talk about car accidents though such doesn't involve contagious diseases. You can talk about "the flu" even though in the USA Covid has already killed almost eight times as many people as a normal flu season. Your arguments are only fit for dumb morons at Trump rallies, which sadly make up about 40% of the US population, so very embarrassing for my country.
But yea there's going to be a lot of social distancing and masks for another six months or so until a vaccine is widely available. So you likely won't be able to congregate in FKKs, but you can still see hookers, the ones willing to take chances. 6 more months. Why not man up and accept it? Or are you going to cry yourself to sleep every night for 6 months?
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EL: Always the same story, when the reality doesn't match your expectations the reality doesn't exist, I repeat it again I don t listen to politics, influencers. I try to get as many diverse sources of information, try to make my own opinion and after I act. I still believe it is useful for me and all the others to restrict to the maximum all social activities including mongering which is not vital to live, unless you are addicted and they are would rather advice you to visit a psychiatric to help you than any prostitute. Yes it is very seldom than young and healthy people die but it exists, and I can tell you that even some young people need some time to fully recover from covid.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494307]All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.[/QUOTE]Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?
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Something 'very strange' is going on with Europe's second wave infections: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJmni3LVK3k[/URL].
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Lets look at it like this:
We have all heard the interviews by the Chinese insider Li-Meng Yang who tells us how they have made the virus in 6 months in the Wuhan lab.
So if say China, France and the USA are cooperating against all the people of the world in an Agenda 21 depopulation plot, and we now see that this version of covid is not effective enough at killing people. What would you do?
- make an even more effective covid-mutation.
- move onto ebola instead. Especially as we can see Africa seems to be largely immune for some reason. Either due to large scale drugs being used against other infectious diseases, or just the higher sun intake people there get. Or the average younger age of people in Africa.
Right now we are hearing about the mink farms in Denmark, and possible new corona strains. So lets see how many people dies from this.
And next year, expect ebola.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2494262]Was not too difficult to Google: [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html[/URL].
His widow's Instagram. She has 5 million followers: [URL]https://www.instagram.com/sofia_stuzhuk[/URL].
This 33 yo had 1 million followers. Three beautiful kids and a wife.[/QUOTE]And how many 33 yo guys died of Covid compared to old people (60+) ?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2494425]Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about total deaths since the beginning of Covid-19 or the current 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths, for last few months? I'm talking about 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths for last 3 months, which tells us how good or bad any country handled it.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2494325]Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.[/QUOTE]I referred Nobel Prizes to simply point that Sweden has been pioneer in that area before others, then others followed and some are better, same like in your example of Olympics. Hopefully people will also learn from and follow them in their unique way of handling Covid-19 with better successful long-term results. I personally think Sweden is a pioneer in handing Covid-19 in longer term most effectively.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2494425]Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?[/QUOTE]If you ignore the last six months, Sweden seems to be in a better place than the rest of Europe as of the third week of October. I am not sure if it has anything to do with their decision to stay "open". But perhaps more about their geography, lack of inbound travel, low population density, and the percentage of people that live alone. Swedes have lower levels of "social contact" and some have remarked that they have been practicing social distancing their entire lives. Remote, low population density countries like Australia or New Zealand could probably aggressively open right now. Australia, New Zealand have the lowest positivity rates in the world at a fraction of a percent. Contrast to most of Europe (other than Germany) which has of late had positivity rate of 10-20 percent.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=SWE~USA~ESP~DNK~DEU~ITA®ion=World&testsMetric=true&interval=total&aligned=true&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2494325]Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.[/QUOTE]In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494720]In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.[/QUOTE]TBH, this is a totally flawed argument. The Nobel prize is effectively a private prize, awarded by a private foundation. It is not even given out by Sweden so to speak. To the extent a government / country is involved, it is Riksbank which gives out the Economics prize. The science and Lit prizes are from the Nobel foundation. The very notion that a country becomes a role model because a private person long dead and his foundation are awarding prizes is just laughable. Such an idea is not scientific or rational so to speak. Furthermore, the prestige of Nobel is mainly due to tradition, longevity. It is like Wimbledon of prizes. If Nobel survives for another 100 years which it very well could, the prize would be 200+ years old by then and even more prestigious because it is that much older. According to your logic, the scientific advancement and culture in Sweden is guaranteed to be strong in the future simply because the most prestigious prize happened to be awarded by a foundation based in their country.
Personally, I think Sweden is a fine country and have come up with some fine tech firms (Ericsson, Spotify, iZettle, etc.) but to ascribe any of these successes to existence of Nobel foundation or to claim that Sweden should be a role model because of this foundation's base in Sweden is not a credible idea. If you had simply said "Swedes are a rational and sensible bunch, very well educated, have a progressive and caring government that takes the best actions for its people" I would be far more inclined to agree with such a statement.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2494804]TBH, this is a totally flawed argument. The Nobel prize is effectively a private prize, awarded by a private foundation. It is not even given out by Sweden so to speak. To the extent a government / country is involved, it is Riksbank which gives out the Economics prize. The science and Lit prizes are from the Nobel foundation. The very notion that a country becomes a role model because a private person long dead and his foundation are awarding prizes is just laughable. Such an idea is not scientific or rational so to speak. Furthermore, the prestige of Nobel is mainly due to tradition, longevity. It is like Wimbledon of prizes. If Nobel survives for another 100 years which it very well could, the prize would be 200+ years old by then and even more prestigious because it is that much older. According to your logic, the scientific advancement and culture in Sweden is guaranteed to be strong in the future simply because the most prestigious prize happened to be awarded by a foundation based in their country.
Personally, I think Sweden is a fine country and have come up with some fine tech firms (Ericsson, Spotify, iZettle, etc.) but to ascribe any of these successes to existence of Nobel foundation or to claim that Sweden should be a role model because of this foundation's base in Sweden is not a credible idea. If you had simply said "Swedes are a rational and sensible bunch, very well educated, have a progressive and caring government that takes the best actions for its people" I would be far more inclined to agree with such a statement.[/QUOTE]You basically agreed with me by the end of your post, thank you. We just came to the same conclusion "Sweden has handled the Coronavirus quite successfully for the longer term" via two different paths. If they weren't, the Swedes (including the scientists there who determine who gets the annual Nobel Prizes for various scientific fields) would have published against their government's chosen path. I haven't seen any, yet. These are pretty smart scientists compared to most of us arguing here LOL.
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Pfizer and others in final testing
They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2494920]They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.[/QUOTE]Well your USA made German extremely liberal country in year 1945, without that incident Germany would have went opposite way and no foreigner to fuck German girls in Germany that is for sure LOL!
You will be paroled out of your sex prison USA sometime next year, so till then I would stay away from shower room LOL! Why mingle with ugly girls if young stunner beauties are waiting for you across the ocean for 50 euro per 30 min LOL! Until then, make good use of your imagination and your right hand LOL!
Good masturbation hole and a gel is more recommended, be sure to warm up the gel for coming winter season or you can train yourself with cold get LOL!
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EL: the only problem is that the reality make them lie, only yesterday in France 170 people died from covid in 24 Hours, and probably the number is underestimate like in many countries. No government is telling the truth, life must go on, the people must stay optimistic so they still will consume, buy useless things on credit, going to the bars, restaurants, prostitutes. FKK. In 2 years we will probably laugh about the second wave, when we will be in the 6th or even more. It is the responsibility of the governments, of all the people in charge of healthcare, to create a safe environment so I am willing to spend my money, today we are far from that, so I reduce all my spending to the minimum and only if many people will act like me, the leaders will start to think about our life. Sorry but before a effective vaccine exists the life will not return to normal, it is just impossible.
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Berlin on Tues reported 800+ new cases in one day, highest yet. Age distribution all over the place. Travelers thinking of Berlin should keep eye on this as good chance soon things will tighten up: [URL]https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/[/URL].
Also CDC US study out shows excess deaths almost 50% above official Covid death count, and among highest excess increase is in 25-44 year old group. Shows also knock on effects of indirect causes and causes from delayed / deferred care of other diseases.
US is inept but data problems exist everywhere. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w[/URL] Of course it is CDC, they cherry pick data based on vibrations from blades RPMs on black helicopters en route to satanic child rituals, etc. Or maybe not.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2494994]Berlin on Tues reported 800+ new cases in one day, highest yet. Age distribution all over the place. Travelers thinking of Berlin should keep eye on this as good chance soon things will tighten up: [URL]https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/[/URL].
Also CDC US study out shows excess deaths almost 50% above official Covid death count, and among highest excess increase is in 25-44 year old group. Shows also knock on effects of indirect causes and causes from delayed / deferred care of other diseases.
US is inept but data problems exist everywhere. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w[/URL] Of course it is CDC, they cherry pick data based on vibrations from blades RPMs on black helicopters en route to satanic child rituals, etc. Or maybe not.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. Can you please update us on how Sweden is doing now?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494831]You basically agreed with me by the end of your post, thank you. We just came to the same conclusion "Sweden has handled the Coronavirus quite successfully for the longer term" via two different paths. If they weren't, the Swedes (including the scientists there who determine who gets the annual Nobel Prizes for various scientific fields) would have published against their government's chosen path. I haven't seen any, yet. These are pretty smart scientists compared to most of us arguing here LOL.[/QUOTE]So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.
It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".
Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.
As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).
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RE: Pfizer and others in final testing
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2494920]They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.[/QUOTE]Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.
My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494831]You basically agreed with me by the end of your post.[/QUOTE]No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2495108]No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity.[/QUOTE]Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.
Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.
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Meanwhile, a Brazilian in "the control group" (LOL? Right.) of the AstraZeneca vaccine final testing stage, just died.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2495042]So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.
It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".
Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.
As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2495108]No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.[/QUOTE]Check Sweden's daily death rates for last 3 months, and compare that with rest of the Europe's per million population. Hopefully you will learn something new without name calling. Wink back at you.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2495086]Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.
My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.[/QUOTE]I am no virus expert, far from it, but the people I respect such as Dr Fauci, Bill Gates, some others that I read have always said from the beginning that a good vaccine is at least a year away if not longer.
"Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall" -- whoever said that have never been credible. Of course I am not knowledgeable enough to know who is credible and who is not credible, as one needs to have even a modest knowledge to know who is an expert. But I fall back on the household names I know and have been believable, say Dr Sanjay Gupta, and I see who he respects, and say if that is Dr Fauci, then I go by what Dr Fauci thinks is a realistic expectation for vaccines. I simply respect Bill Gates, so that may be my personal problem but I respect him and he has invested billions of money in this area with purely an altruistic motive. All of those people never said a safe, effective vaccine is ready in 7 billion doses in 4 to 6 months.
Oh, there are certain politicians who have said vaccines will be ready before November 3. I personally think those politicians are even more clueless than I am, so there is that.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2495086]My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.[/QUOTE]Good news for all the idiots hoping for a largely untested vaccine, some guy in Brazil just died after taking the vaccine: [URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-21/volunteer-in-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trial-has-died-brazil-health-authority-says[/URL].
"A source familiar with the matter told Reuters that the trial would have been suspended if the volunteer who died had received the COVID-19 vaccine, suggesting the person was part of the control group that was given a meningitis vaccine. ".
So this is what can happen when you give perfectly healthy people a completely unnecessary (in this case, meningitis) vaccine. Just wait until all the big pharma companies, their lobbyists, and corrupt health regulators, and incompetent politicians will unleash some barely tested CV19 "vaccine" onto the world.
More good news for the pro-vaxxers: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-southkorea-flushots/five-south-koreans-die-after-getting-flu-shots-sparking-vaccine-fears-idUSL4N2HC0QA[/URL].
Unless you're really old, very fat and have sever underlying illnesses, a better bet would be to hope for herd immunity.
Sweden has already almost achieved this. A stable amount of "cases" but very few deaths and hospitalisations. Hence: life is almost back to normal in Sweden, and if people in Germany hadn't panicked, things would have been back to normal here as well by now. FKKs would be running as usual, girls would not be unemployed and us men would be getting laid.
"Cases" are rising, case fatality rates are declining: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&cfrMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].
Look at the number of Swedish "cases" which has been more or less stable for months, despite having a colder climate and an earlier start of the regular flu season than the rest of Europe: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&casesMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].
German numbers: [URL]https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/covid-19/covid-19-mobile.html[/URL]#global-overview-tab.
During the last 14 days; cases 74676, deaths 313, cases per 100 k people: 89,95 and deaths per 100 k people: hold onto your seats, a spectacular 0,38!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2495136]Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.
Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.[/QUOTE]Again, life sciences is not my area of expertise, far from it. But just using "common sense" (FWIW), herd immunity is an unclear subject with Covid-19. For example, the normally bandied about number is 60-70% population infection at which point it is expected that herd immunity has been achieved. At least based on what I read so far. But I don't know if that is the same % for every new virus outbreak?
Also, I read that a few people who had confirmed infections earlier tested positive again. I don't know if that has any impact on the likelihood of this herd immunity at that 60-70% cumulative infection. If a guy who has been infected previously can be infected again, where was the immunity? Granted, he may be one of the very few. I know people who took flu shots still can catch a mild flu. Will Covid-19 be like that? Experts can chime in. Not my subject.
Also, I don't know if herd immunity is a concept that you will only know has been achieved looking backwards. For example, while 8 M+ confirmed infections have been reported in US, I read that the actual is several times higher, perhaps 5 to 10 times higher. But that 5 to 10 times is an estimation, not a precise number. So, do we have 40 million silently infected or is it 80 million at this moment? If herd immunity is achieved at 2/3 of population, say 220 M; does it mean when the confirmed positives are 1/10 of it, ie. 22 M then we have achieved herd immunity? Or is it achieved when we are at 44 M confirmed positives?
I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495163]Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.[/QUOTE]You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.
As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.
With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2495191]I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."[/QUOTE]We'll have "herd immunity" when there's a vaccine, and the wait for widespread access will not be much longer. Encouraging people to go out and get infected seeking herd immunity is a fool's errand that will lead to great numbers of unnecessary deaths and more instances where hospital systems are overwhelmed. Though popular in monger forums and at Trump rallies, no credible contagious disease specialists advocate for such nonsense. One of Trump's personal quacks does, but he's a radiologist and way outside his expertise.
As to your "Hammer Hammer" example, well, there's always going to be plenty of dumb people in the world. History testifies to that fact more than any other. Just look who managed to get elected president of the US in 2016, and I rest my case.
P.S. Reported cases of reinfection at this point are few and far between. It's possible that the vaccines will require a booster, like once a year or so.
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Big, powerful, rich Bavaria is starting confining. Berlin, Koln, Frankfurt are closing on evening and night, LR is closing earlier. NL now prefer to confine for second wave, like Ireland, Wales, Liverpool, Catalunya after Madrid. Virus spreading everywhere at the moment and killing more than on Summer, with grippe also arriving. Facts and figures.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2495204]You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.
As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.
With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.[/QUOTE]Do you think countries are right to restrict people's movement now? Your own answer to it will give you answers (that you want to hear, not necessarily the correct answer) to all your questions above. Good luck.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2494578]Are you talking about total deaths since the beginning of Covid-19 or the current 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths, for last few months? I'm talking about 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths for last 3 months, which tells us how good or bad any country handled it.[/QUOTE]Sweden's mistakes are now clear even to their chief epidemiologist Tegnell. I love Sweden and Swedish people and I think it is a great place to live, but they have got it wrong in the case of Covid-19. They have got it so wrong that they are now slowly and gradually changing their policy to align with their neighbouring countries. Here is a fine article that explains everything that has happened in Sweden from the beginning of the pandemic [URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2495209]We'll have "herd immunity" when there's a vaccine, and the wait for widespread access will not be much longer. Encouraging people to go out and get infected seeking herd immunity is a fool's errand that will lead to great numbers of unnecessary deaths and more instances where hospital systems are overwhelmed. Though popular in monger forums and at Trump rallies, no credible contagious disease specialists advocate for such nonsense. One of Trump's personal quacks does, but he's a radiologist and way outside his expertise.
As to your "Hammer Hammer" example, well, there's always going to be plenty of dumb people in the world. History testifies to that fact more than any other. Just look who managed to get elected president of the US in 2016, and I rest my case.
P.S. Reported cases of reinfection at this point are few and far between. It's possible that the vaccines will require a booster, like once a year or so.[/QUOTE]Fauci and Gates are sounding reasonably confident about a vaccine by year end, with 5 candidates in Phase 3. Fauci's focus is on US and Gates cares more about worldwide availability and especially poor nations in 3rd world. A large enough percent may refuse to take the vaccine, we are seeing it right here, and I have no idea how effective any of those candidates will be if / when they are approved.
Are people expected to choose which one they want to take, or will they have not that much choice due to general availability? Given that a sizeable section of population are such anti vaxxers, their confusion will only grow if they are asked at the pharma counter "do you want the Pfizer or Astra or Moderna or JNJ vaccine". (I am leaving out the Chinese and Russian ones out for now).
Most companies I know in the US are working on the assumption that we will be with this Covid till at least Spring. Very few companies are making plans for bringing employees back to offices and many jobs may simply never come back to offices. Given how badly this has been mismanaged and how political it has become and how things have generally turned out to be worse than initially expected, I will wait for widespread vaccination to have happened and cases plummeting to extremely small numbers before celebrating we have beaten this. Perhaps that reflects my handle on this site.
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Wondering how many of the handful of people on the "covid is no big deal" and "anti vaccine" camps actually have any type of science background or education. The way they select and process information definitely suggests a lack of ability or mental discipline to analyze data and integrate observations into their worldview with an objective, logical, and reasonable mind. It seems evident that there are a bunch of business and social science types talking about hard science and epidemiology. Nothing wrong with not being a person with a STEM background, society needs people of all backgrounds. But the fact that the poorly trained and misinformed are often the loudest seems about right as society is full of frauds who only work towards self-gain by riding on the backs of more capable and altruistic men.
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Life almost normal in Sweden: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap28egc5wGI[/URL].
Herd immunity without chemicals from Big Pharma.
Where are the masses of dead people in Sweden? Where are they, CovIdiots and VaxxIdiots?
Pity that Sweden is run by hardcore feminists who don't allow FKK clubs. LOL!
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2494920]They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.[/QUOTE]Pfizer save mankind for strong erection at older age and now Pfizer save mankind by saving FKK via finding the cure for the virus that is the cause of the closure or limited operation of many FKK!
I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee!
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Cure (vaccine) is worse than the disease?
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](20) 32156-5/ fulltext.
"Cure worse than disease? Some Covid-19 vaccines may increase HIV risk, scientists warn".
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/504224-covid19-vaccine-candidates-hiv/[/URL]
A Covid1984 "vaccine" + people running around in FKK clubs fucking hookers! What a perfect combination!! LOL!
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As I've stated before the Oxford & Astra Zeneca vaccine is looking on target to produce results, further good news today.
Regards the Brazilian man who sadly died, he was on a placebo so it has no connection with the vaccine.
This trial is looking like the worlds best hope & unlike dodgy Chinese & Russian vaccines, this is going through all the safety checks.
The big question is how quickly will the vaccine be made available to the public so that we can once again return to FKK World with a reasonable level of safety?
[URL]https://apple.news/APazsU-bfTUG7u6JNv6aGVA[/URL]
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If Sweden deal with the covid like they did with prostitution, I understand very well the fiasco in that country because of stupid politicians.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2495360]I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee![/QUOTE]Yeah very weird. Almost feels like the Hesse government is fucking with the tourist mongers who go to the Hesse FKKs most?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495294]Do you think countries are right to restrict people's movement now? Your own answer to it will give you answers (that you want to hear, not necessarily the correct answer) to all your questions above. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Gino,
You repeatedly dodge the question. From the beginning I said countries have a right to monitor and protect their borders. Do governments have right to curtail and restrict movements of people inside their countries? Yes, the Soviets needed permission to go from place to place inside their own borders, so did the Chinese. People forced into concentration camps could not move around, and people in prisons are not allowed to move around. I guess you are advocating something along those lines, at least for the people with Asian look?
And you still have not explained why it is great in your view that Sweden has implemented zero restrictions and yet you think it is right for certain people to be blocked at the FKK doors.
Anyway, non answers are answers and I will let this go. Thank you.
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For Mursenary and COVID stakeholders
[URL]https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/[/URL]
Annualized mortaility rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2495360]Pfizer save mankind for strong erection at older age and now Pfizer save mankind by saving FKK via finding the cure for the virus that is the cause of the closure or limited operation of many FKK!
I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee![/QUOTE]Hessen still closed, GT NRW also, LR have to close earlier, Samya Koln and Artemis have limitations. 6 ens NL had to close. And covid is growing again. Hard times to come, many countries confining.
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"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." - Søren Kierkegaard.
Most people are still shell shocked and 'frozen' after the initial panic in March-April, and refuse to accept new facts and statistics.
In the meantime, the virus is not as deadly as previously thought, infection mortality rates (a median 0,23% on page 7 on the WHO link below, and even 0,05% for people 70) are comparable to the normal flu, Sweden has proved that lockdowns and mask wearing is not necessary, the PCR test is seriously flawed to identify "cases" as already pointed out (see link below) by the PCR test inventor himself, and the hope for a quick "vaccine" is shattered by setbacks. (a vaccine takes 5-10 years to properly weed out the potentially deadly side effects).
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/vsKaBsWhC3CQ/[/URL]
Most 'men' here are acting like little girls, frozen in fear by the initial reporting in March.
P.S. A German trial lawyer is preparing a class action case against the German RKI and Christian Drosten for their fraudulent use of the PCR test. Link in English: [URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/mcyXyT3D5QFi/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2495568][URL]https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/[/URL]
Annualized mortality rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.[/QUOTE]Definitely not a stakeholder. Just here to call out the bullshit here and there. Bad policy perhaps and perhaps poor use of decent data but the data itself isn't bad. Author discussed flaws in testing and perhaps there are, but he is quoting numbers in regards to test specificity and positive predicted values that are well within range of most gold standard diagnosing purposes. This is where his background as a molecular scientist and not a clinician becomes evident. That and his false equivalence discussion of Flu / SARS / MERS are glaring weaknesses in his case.
Point is, the number of concern is not the questionably useful positivity rates and definitely not the short-sighted mortality rate discussions. The real time data that gives the most insight into how serious you should take the coronavirus threat is hospitalization rates. Numbers are reliable and pertinent to assessing threat regardless of flaws in testing, cause of death arguments, blah blah blah. If it makes you sick enough to be hospitalized, we should probably take it seriously. As it stands, covid is 4-20 times more likely to put a person in the hospital versus the flu. In populations under 50, hospitalization rates are roughly 1/1000. That's a pretty significant risk for such a young age group.
That being said, no one knows where the scales will tilt when comparing morbidity costs versus socio-economic cost. Discussions of mortality and prevalence data have been bastardized, but hospitalization rates are harder to manipulate. Running data in the USA, 443,000 people have been hospitalized in the states. That's more than 1/1000 Americans who were sick enough to be hospitalized regardless of death. By the end of the winter, that number will climb to at least 1 in 500.
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EL: but this is a joke, when I was much younger (white Christian) many many times I was blocked to enter discos, and I was never thinking about discrimination, racism. Today the people don t accept any selection immediately they speak about racism, discrimination but in fact all our life we are facing selections, for a job, for the beautiful girls (some guys don t need to pay for prostitutes), for our heath, for our sex (M or F), more the people react about racism, discrimination more in fact the people who financially can afford it will do everything not to live in poor areas, put their children in the best schools, now they will sell their apartments in the city centres to move to a house in the country to have a better live during corona time. And the poor people will still stay where they are and I can also predict that the city centres will get poorer and poorer with more and more criminality, with more and more people with immigration background having no other choice.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2495568][URL]https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/[/URL]
Annualized mortaility rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.[/QUOTE]I read half of it now (and will read the rest later).
But this one is of key importance:
"We now know that lockdown made no difference at all to the spread of the virus. We can tell this because the interval between catching the virus and, in those who don't make it, their death is longer than the interval between lockdown and peak daily deaths. ".
He also says that he does not look at politics. Clearly!
Because as I have said here several times already, this whole covid-19 thing is one massive coverup trying to take the blunt of the financial crisis. As seen in the repo loan payouts starting September 2019, and was covered up massively by the MSM.
Wallstreetonparade has written hundreds of articles about this for a more in debt look.
The thing is, like Trump says: China, China, China.
And what the Chinese economic model and size delivers as consequences to the rest of the world, and to USA in particular. Coupled that with the fake fiat monetary system we are using today, and you have a recipe for a great coverup: Machiavellian style.
Here is a good video interview with Gerald Celente:
[URL]https://youtu.be/43xrrFW5L3Q[/URL]
He is of curse one of these gold and silver guys. And that is the historical way to get through these fiat collapses we have seen dousins of times through history since ancient times. But nowadays, due to information technology and blockchain, I believe the central banks have another way out of it. But it will take some time for them realise it and get their butts moving. And it will mean massive changes to alot of people. Especially perhaps in banking.
Oh, and the CO2 bullshit with Greta Thunberg and all of that is all just a part of the same thing. Which is also why we get a lockdown.
Basically, we need a great leap in innovation and new technology. The country that leads the world in technology, will lead the world. And USA is scared of loosing the world hegemony to China.
China on their part is also scared of being left in the dirt for another century. So possibly the Chinese let the virus out without telling the US financial backers, or the French.
Another option is of course the Orwellian theory that the powers all conspire against the dumb people, and are creating an artificial conflict.
But in either cases, this covid-19, and the global warming co2 bullshit is both part of an economic war between China (and its allies), and the west and its allies.
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We know for example that the introduction of new technologies mainly happens in great leaps, at times of economic problems. Even if we have had the option to start using new technologies for a long time already, there have been interests withholding them from being realized at its potential. For example outsourcing to poor countries instead of automation. Or the luddite idea that people are afraid of loosing their jobs due to automation. All perfectly lined up to be changed now with covid-19!
We also know that the countries who first adopt new technologies on a large scale will be the financial leaders of the world in trade for decades to come.
A recent study has found out that just in the USA, 47% of all jobs can already be fully automated away. And the percentages are higher than that in the vast majority of countries around the world.
But in order to later export this new automation, it is essential to first get it domestically.
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And next time you hear Trump comes out and says 'America first'. Think about it! Is it really Trump who came up with that? I don't think so! It is all about automation and technological superiority. Trump is not smart enough. He was put there as a puppet for a reason.
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Hamertime. You are a funny guy, sad to see that your psychiatric is still sick or he could take care of you. Sweden how many people, how many deaths? Just try to answer this very simple question and may be you can change your mind.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2495695]Hamertime. You are a funny guy, sad to see that your psychiatric is still sick or he could take care of you. Sweden how many people, how many deaths? Just try to answer this very simple question and may be you can change your mind.[/QUOTE]Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.
Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2495595]Most 'men' here are acting like little girls, frozen in fear by the initial reporting in March.[/QUOTE]As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2495704]Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.
Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].[/QUOTE]Says the guys who calls people Covidiots and such. Self awareness helps credibility, amongst a half dozen other habits that seem to missing in your "covid-is-fake" posts.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495711]As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.[/QUOTE]Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle. Comparing a 25 year old female's "bravery" in risk assessment versus a 50+ year old monger's risk profile is asinine. Women already survive at twice the rate of men and sub 40 year olds are hospitalized at a quarter of the rate.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495711]As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.[/QUOTE]By your logic, people in India or Brazilian favelas are incredibly brave. The virus is everywhere, there is hardly any distancing, masks are worn perfunctorily if at all, cleaning supplies are rarely available. If you ask them though, they might say it is not bravery but lack of any choices that drives their actions.
Let me see:
1. The "girls" as you pointed out, are young. I think it is fair to say that this virus is impacting older people worse than younger ones. If you went down to Florida or Texas beaches in the summer, when the local governments did not shut them down or curtailed movement and attendance, young people were in throngs over there as well. Throughout the summer we have seen several photos and videos of young people flouting the rules and partying and many of them remained asymptomatic even if infected. They may have infected others. So, the FKK Romie girls are not anymore brave than our own younger people.
2. These girls are poor or at least need the money. In the US, most of the "essential workers" were working through the pandemic. They didn't wfh. They had no choice. They needed the money. People who need the money and don't have much to lose do venture out. Did.
You have a funny definition of bravery, I should say. Did you wfh? Did you wear a mask? Why? Why not be brave and ignore all distancing, ignore the mask, party as if there was never any Covid?
If I have $5 M in my bank and I am 45, I still Have a long life expectation and have a lot to lose. Why would I take the same risk as a broke young girl? I can easily wait this out for another few months. Why do you think everyone in the world needs to abide by your sense of bravery and risk taking? If I tell you that bungee or parachute jumping or deep sea diving are riskless and only scaredy cats are sitting home, would you follow my lead?
P.S. For now, I will ignore that you were so concerned about this virus in Feb, you were advocating a ban on all Asian ethnic men into the clubs to protect the rest of us. Apparently something so deadly in Feb when only a few thousand were infected is now so harmless in your mind that one needs to ignore every protocol and health expert advice to demonstrate their manhood in your view. How did the risk profile of the virus change 180 degrees in 6 months?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2495805]Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle. Comparing a 25 year old female's "bravery" in risk assessment versus a 50+ year old monger's risk profile is asinine. Women already survive at twice the rate of men and sub 40 year olds are hospitalized at a quarter of the rate.[/QUOTE]My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?
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So the figures of Sweden are just terrible compare to Norway, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and the last days will not improve the situation.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2495805]Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Correct. That's what's called a false dilemma.
[URL]https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/[/URL]
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Gino 02: What a crazy analysis, being a prostitute is not being brave it is just being stupid and mostly working for a pimp or a BF. This time visiting a FKK is also being stupid and has nothing to see with being brave. Unfortunately the months ahead are looking quite tragic concerning the covid and the number of deaths. Advice you to work in a hospital, or being soldier or a policemen. If you really want to demonstrate how brave you are.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2495802]Says the guys who calls people Covidiots and such. Self awareness helps credibility, amongst a half dozen other habits that seem to missing in your "covid-is-fake" posts.[/QUOTE]Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!
I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?
Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495711]Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP.[/QUOTE]Here is a thought. Maybe they don't have any other fuc*ing choice for making money? You seem to forget that most of these girls have a "boyfriend", who needs money, and they most likely are school dropouts, which give them no marketable skills in the job market.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2495704]Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.
Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].[/QUOTE]You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: [URL]https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2016/08/exposing-the-lizard-illuminati-an-interview-with-david-icke.html[/URL].
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Blood types are also a factor here.
People with blood type A and AB are usually hospitalized for 13 days in average. While people with blood type O and be usually get away with just 9 days of hospitalization. Good for me since I am in the latter category. But it is one thing to also keep an eye on.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495819]My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?[/QUOTE]Right, because your post exudes tolerance. Give me a break.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2495819]My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?[/QUOTE]If your post had simply said "I am comfortable with ignoring distancing and masks, I feel my risk tolerance is such that I am comfortable ignoring this virus", no one would say much. At least I won't.
But your comment went a lot farther than that. You ridiculed the guys taking health precautions and played up "bravery" of young hookers. You don't know who has what sort of health, financial, other personal issues. You think you are able to make judgement on every person's personal life and dictate to them what they should do, and if they don't abide by your dictats, you feel qualified to mock them in public forums.
And then you wonder why you received a harsh response to such a comment.
Look, I am not one of those who is in one camp firmly. I recognize the risks posed by the virus to a large enough number of people and I also understand the real, serious economic consequences to millions of people today. There is no easy choice. I am happily distanced in my own life, making good money and comfortably wfh, w / not even the daily commute to worry about. I realize I am lucky and privileged, and I know that not everyone has the same fortune.
What I will not do is ridicule one camp or the other. Those indulging in such mocking deserve everyone's opprobrium, IMO.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2495906]Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!
I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?
Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."[/QUOTE]What's the point when you clearly don't know what is a fact, bastardizing good data. It would be like Elon Musk talking about battery power to a 5th grader playing with a Duracell battery and a light bulb.
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Editorials, prevalence data, death data, blah blah blah; none of that really means anything during a period where we all can't even agree on what is a fact. All of this bastardization of data and agenda-driven manipulation of them by people who start with a conclusion and letting the conclusion drive their data search rather than letting the data lead you to an unbiased conclusion is the problem in any worthy discussion of the coronavirus threat, as with most other topics.
I'd like to see what pull-out-your-ass rebuttal we'll get when speaking about hospitalization rates, something you hardly ever hear these skeptics talk about. Probably because it's much harder to repudiate the fact that someone with a confirmed positive test is sick enough to be admitted for medical care.
Hospitalizations, totals and trends, all point to an upcoming resurgence of pandemic severity across the globe. Pretty much every non-Nordic European country not named Germany have seen a significant rise in hospitalizations, particularly in central and eastern Europe. The US has also seen anywhere from 1. 5 to double the hospitalizations since September lows. A more startling number, nearly one-third of all hospitalizations are people under 50 years of age and 60% are under 65. Most of the younger will not die but.
US.
[URL]https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html[/URL]
EU:
[URL]https://covid19-country-overviews.ecdc.europa.eu[/URL]
It's not about living in fear, it's about being unbiased with the data and acting responsibly accordingly. I personally have very little to fear as I am under 40, very healthy, and have no immediate family to protect, but it's not all about me. Should the economy be considered when making policy decisions? Yes. Does life go on and do I still attend social functions? Yes. Do I make sure to protect others from my respiratory droplets by wearing a mask and keeping physical contact limited? Yes. Should 50 year olds visit sex clubs? That's a personal risk assessment decisions for each person to make, especially if one were to consider his or her own contribution to community spread. Should people who belittle the significance of a real global threat and propose fringe theories as proof and fact be bludgeoned backed into their lairs of selfishness and irrelevance? Abso-fucking-lutely.
If a 50 year old who poses little risk to community spread (aka socially isolated recluse) considers pertinent facts and data while doing things like wearing a fucking mask when he does interact with humans in public decides that his risk of morbidity is worth the sex club experience, then he should have every right to do so. It's the handful of 30-50 year olds here (I presume) that try to extrapolate their own view of their risk profiles to society at large that needs a reality check. Just because you don't see the threat in your personally limited experience does not make your experience a universal reality.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2495934]You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: [URL]https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2016/08/exposing-the-lizard-illuminati-an-interview-with-david-icke.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]And calling certain claims "facts" doesn't make them "facts," which is a favorite angle of Hammer Hammer.
[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion[/URL]
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Beware of the stats
As usual, serious discussion gets lost in arid labels and eristile quasi cult positions than any rational basis. Seems to be the way of the world, where nut jobs become arm chair experts on vaccines that have slayed polio, smallpox, tetnus and others. Newsflash: vaccines work. The problem is that like all good science, it takes a shitload of time, failure and money.
Hospitalization rates are distorted because of financial incentives in the USA for some, and no treatement at all for the poor who are terrorized going to a hospital (assuming they even get seen, having no $ or insurance and a bill for a $100,000 for admission), though more useful in countries where treatment is free. Berlin has the Charit - Universittsmedizin. I'd be interested to see how hospitalization rates compare rather than simply assume admission and attribution of causation, such as mobity "by" or "with" COVID. Suppose an eledery person presents with a constellation of pre-existing issues such as chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension, multiple cardiac related issues, emphysema, weak immune system, smoker and COVID, aka a "crumble" ?
Was the latter really the cause or merely the straw that broke the camels back? If so, is the cause weighted for multi-variables or binary? Can we trust the morbidity data anymore than the testing itself and whether it is representative of the population? And who exactly is dying from the dubious attribution? If ageing baby boomers, we have another problem, namely a population bulge so that old age overlaps COVID ascribed deaths. I suggest people here read Nicholas Taleb on how stats are useless in second and third order effects, assuming there is normal distribution in the first place.
As much as clinicians desreve respect, any doctor knows from 1st year about Semmelweis and washing hands between patients. He was ridiculed at the time. The "gold" standards have a pretty chequered history, recent examples including mass prescription of opioids and other iatrogenic harm such as the treatement of diabetes II will pills rather than fixing the underlying lifestyle causes. And lets not start on the brains trust and their aping physicists with fancy nonsense formalas supposedly managing risk and regular bailouts. Or the ratings agencies. And so on.
Skepticism of preisthoods is healthy and necessary, as is regular checking root assumptions and whether the navigation system is working properly. Mursenary assumes a doubling of hospitalizations in winter one in 500, which if true, means we better buys some stocks in funeral home related companies and that hospitals are facing an imminent emergency as will the death industry.
Hillenbrand, Inc. (HI) controls the manufacture of half the coffins in the USA and is not having a boom time, and the average death rates have not budged.
Mursenary correctly states that the trade off discussion on socio-economic is what is needed. COVID is serious. So is opiod deaths: 24 in a 1000 in Ohio (much higher than hospital admissions) roughly 68,000 annually, about a quarter of COVID deaths to date in 2020.
At the rate things are going, airlines, shopping malls and restaurants will be ghosts by 2022. A lot of beautiful young women wanting to trade themselves for our money are deprived, and so are the participants on this board, and those that indirectly depend on the girls income. BJs are good thing, and so is food and sex bringing people together.
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On global conspiracy theories and basic safety
Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.
Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.
That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.
I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496092]Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.
Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.
That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.
I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.[/QUOTE]1. So you are basically saying that you prefer the general public to be lied to, over telling them the truth? You know that Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his book The Prince as a parody. But then suddenly died before he got to publish it right? So the context got distorted. What a joke in the grand scheme of time this really has turned into being.
And the truth is so obvious too regarding covid-19 and how it was constructed in the Wuhan lab. One does not need to be an armchair expert (cheap rhetoric) if you hear the interviews of Li-Meng Yan, or israeli or Australian doctors talking about the chances of the four amino acids composing the FURIN cleavage, appearing naturally on the perfect place on the virus.
2. Calling it a financial / currency crisis is also a subjective idea. And I even described how without nailing the terms. Because the system is rigged in order to have these ups and downs. One can even say a down period is part of the game, and it is all about playing the game. The casino. But one can also use such incidents for all sorts of political reasons too. It is not about the term conspiracy*. It is about deep political strategies where a long range of global political think tanks with professors having years of experience are involved. Not armchair experts.
3. I will quote you "Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill. " By your definition of a conspiracy theory, you just came up with this one! I am not saying you are right or wrong. To some extent, Ritalin is just one example of one such pill. Used for people with ADHD. Whatever that is? A gene told to be a disease because the schooling system is not made for everyone's instinctive ways of learning things? And where physical activity is not being focussed on enough? Well, guess how much sports there are at the collages for the super rich?
4. We are most likely already living inside a simulation, and this whole covid 19 training exercise is just that. An exercise. Which is why people shouldn't be scared of death. It just means you get to test out another simulation instead. Perhaps one where you are a pharaoh, or Ghengis Kahn, having 10 000 girls in your harem. From all over the world. Or you can jump into his life, and experience how that was. After all, a simulation is a simulation. In the most deterministic sense of the word. So everything in the simulation has already happened. Present and past. Even quantum physics indicates this. But now I forgot where I read that unfortunately. But there is a deeper axis of time, and the one we are experiencing is apparently just an illusion. Again, perfectly explainable in case it is all just a simulation.
5. And finally, you fall into this pit where you misunderstand the concept of the age of the information society. Please do not look at it like an 18th century luddite just because you fear your own guilds information monopoly is at siege. There is a reason why George Soros Open Society is working hard in order to publically open up all peer review studies to everyone. And it is not because the global leaders are bad people. But like in all these other incidents some people call conspiracy theories, the final outcome is an evolution that needs to be done. But the ways there can be questioned. And the information flow. One thing this age we are living in can be defined by, is the idea through which most people think they are smarter than others. The idea that I can handle this, but given this and that, others cannot. But the information society can change that, and question the roots of Narcissism. And it does, either we want it or not.
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The question regarding the ups and downs of interest rates and the monetary system is also essential here. And the best lecturer and author on this is Paul Mason. Where he describes how innovation and / wars (rebuilding and equipment in large scale) revitalizes the monetary system / interest rates.
So the push for a new renewable innovation age through the global warming agenda, or investments in automation in regards to export (due to covid-19), falls into Paul Masons system like a glove. Not to mention the newfound arms race with China.
This is not a conspiracy theory. This is economic theory. Far more advanced than you learn at university, but still economic theory. And it works.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]At the rate things are going, airlines, shopping malls and restaurants will be ghosts by 2022. A lot of beautiful young women wanting to trade themselves for our money are deprived, and so are the participants on this board, and those that indirectly depend on the girls income. BJs are good thing, and so is food and sex bringing people together.[/QUOTE]Shopping malls were already dying a slow death (or fast, depends on the specific region, what type of mall, etc) even prior to Covid due to ecommerce. The virus just accelerated a trend.
Airlines and restaurants. No, they will not be ghosts. Ownership will change hands. In the West, there is a well established bankruptcy process, there are hundreds of extremely well funded private equity and vulture investors. Living, thriving, dying is all a part of a time honored business cycle. The planes themselves will not disappear, the pilots will still be there, and so will the airports. When people feel comfortable flying, they will and then the airlines and airports will be ready and waiting. In the meanwhile if Delta or United go bankrupt, all it means is that equity holders get wiped out, and those companies will get recapitalized, other owners and stockholders will step in.
The same will be true for restaurants.
I said in response to Gino. You can't force the response to Covid. You can't force people who are concerned for their health to go to a restaurant or fly or go to a movie theater. Florida and a few other states are in Phase 3 reopening. There are hardly any restrictions, as I understood they don't even have to wear a mask. But does that mean the people of Florida are rushing into packed bars and restaurants? Hardly. It is a fallacy to think economic activity slowed only due to government imposed restrictions. Activity slowed because the consequences of getting infected are real, and most people understand this an not taking chances. Hence economic activity is anemic. Until we have the virus outbreak in control, economic activity will not be ripping. If in the meanwhile shareholders of Delta and United and Pf Chang's and Ruth's Chris Ge wiped out, so what? At some point in the future, they will have new shareholders. And our current socialist government has given enough handouts to all the business groups anyway.
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False choice
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496092]Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.[/QUOTE]Or "false dilemma," whichever you want to call it as there can also be a (c), (d), and so forth. There are other choices, such as that we have a rather serious pandemic that, though at times has created panic in some quarters, has overall seen a calculated response to ease heavy burdens on over stretched hospital resources while seeking to limit lose of life or protracted illness as effective treatments and vaccines are explored. The fact that this is the angle of virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet further supports such an interpretation.
[URL]https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/[/URL]
You also had a non-sequitur going in your prior post. Yes it's true that in the US, Medicare, or the socialized health care for those 65 years of age and older pays a 20% "add on" for Covid patients. This is part of the Cares Act, and is partly to make up for lost revenues as many elective surgeries have had to be postponed. But there's no evidence of any widespread fraud, in spite of false information floating around conservative social media. It also doesn't make any sense, as many other countries are also having a lot of trouble with the virus where no such extra funding exists. Plus cases have waxed and waned in the US, and at times very distinctly, something we wouldn't expect if fraud was the norm. What we shouldn't trust is posts like yours in a monger forum. US Center for Disease Control data is far more reliable.
[URL]https://www.wral.com/fact-check-do-hospitals-get-paid-more-to-treat-covid-19-patients/19156357/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur[/URL]
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]Hospitalization rates are distorted because of financial incentives in the USA for some, and no treatement at all for the poor who are terrorized going to a hospital (assuming they even get seen, having no $ or insurance and a bill for a $100,000 for admission), though more useful in countries where treatment is free. Berlin has the Charit - Universittsmedizin.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you are referring to Medicare payments for treating Covid patients popularized by Trumpian surrogates. Inciting Occam's razor would be appropriate here also. For this to be a plausible scam worthy of consideration or any theory of incentivized foul play, one would have to believe that the tens of thousands of clinicians employed as non-incentivized salary and wage earners and independent (Non-hospital affiliated) emergency department groups that staff most ERs are all in on this repayment scam / exploit with the hospital administrators. I have personally not witnessed this nor has the literature shown anything to even suggest that any exploitation is happening to a statistically relevant degree.
As for the poor not seeking appropriate hospital care due to lack of insurance (and I assume would just all be dying in their homes), it would seem that the hospitalization numbers in the US would thus be an undercount of people who actually need the care. The reality, however, is that people home on their sick beds, scared when looking into the eyes of the reaper, eventually make it to the hospital once the symptoms are severe enough, regardless of consideration of any ability to pay and would thus become a part of the hospitalized census.
As such, I stand behind my assertion that hospitalizations are one of the best live indicators of this pandemic's severity.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]I'd be interested to see how hospitalization rates compare rather than simply assume admission and attribution of causation, such as mobity "by" or "with" COVID. Suppose an eledery person presents with a constellation of pre-existing issues such as chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension, multiple cardiac related issues, emphysema, weak immune system, smoker and COVID, aka a "crumble" ? Was the latter really the cause or merely the straw that broke the camels back?
If ageing baby boomers, we have another problem, namely a population bulge so that old age overlaps COVID ascribed deaths.[/QUOTE]Yes the coronavirus is sometimes the "straw that broke the camel's back" in the ill with numerous comorbidities. First, a side note, the tendency to dismiss the importance of the deaths of the old and ill because "they were going to die soon anyway" is both presumptuous and morally repugnant. Second, while comorbidities and Mortality are heavily tied, the image of the already terminally ill nursing home patient catching covid and dying within a month is anecdotal and is barely statistically relevant in the literature. What is more common is the 65-75 year old who has a few comorbidities who would otherwise have a decade or more life left to live. Meanwhile, many detractors are dismissing the deaths of people with comorbidities as an afterthought as if their years left on earth are somehow unimportant, almost a sentiment of "serves them right for being unhealthy in the first place. ".
But I digress. I'll refer again to hospitalizations as one of the best measures of pandemic severity. While mortality rates are heavily skewed towards the elderly, hospitalization rates are pretty well distributed across the lifespan. Currently, in the United States, nearly a third of those hospitalized are under 50 years of age. During the summer months, their share actually eclipsed that of 65+ year olds. And throughout the pandemic, people under 65 have always made up a larger share of hospitalizations than our 65+ elderly.
Refer to data and link in previous post #1751.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]As much as clinicians desreve respect, any doctor knows from 1st year about Semmelweis and washing hands between patients. He was ridiculed at the time. The "gold" standards have a pretty chequered history, recent examples including mass prescription of opioids and other iatrogenic harm such as the treatement of diabetes II will pills rather than fixing the underlying lifestyle causes. And lets not start on the brains trust and their aping physicists with fancy nonsense formalas supposedly managing risk and regular bailouts. Or the ratings agencies. And so on.[/QUOTE]Neither approaches to therapy listed are "gold standard" first line therapies, just widely practiced due to necessity or circumstance (I. E. Patient behavior). The literature has always recommended using the lowest opioid dosages possible for therapeutic effect and in adjunct to non opioid analgesics even discontinuing them altogether as tolerated by the patient. Same with diabetes treatment, lifestyle change is always the recommended first choice intervention if appropriate. The problem arises when patients are non compliant with first line recommendations while still demanding relief and quick fix therapeutics. A physician's job is to make recommendations and provide education, lead the horse to water, not to shove the horse's head in the lake to drink the water.
Regardless, the mention of "gold standard" in my original critique is secondary to the main point; which is that the molecular scientist who authored your article, while performing accurate arithmetic, clearly does not understand that positive predictive values and false positive numbers are only relevant to assessing initial screening quality, while correlation to clinical picture is what determines diagnosis. I will also add that he made too many assumptions as variables and the epidemiological grave error of using estimated prevalence of a disease in an epidemic while the epidemic is still happening. He quoted the British Office of National Statistics prevalence estimates. What is the reasoning behind using an estimated statistic as fact to calculate the validity of a molecular test? Agenda and Bias that's what.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]Skepticism of preisthoods is healthy and necessary, as is regular checking root assumptions and whether the navigation system is working properly. Mursenary assumes a doubling of hospitalizations in winter one in 500, which if true, means we better buys some stocks in funeral home related companies and that hospitals are facing an imminent emergency as will the death industry.[/QUOTE]I was actually being conservative. Currently 460,000 Americans have been already been hospitalized in a nation of 328 million. So the actual rate of hospitalizations is already 1 in 713 Americans. Only 200,000 more hospitalizations and we're at 1 in 500. At the current rate of 2000 hospitalizations per day (which is all but certain to rise during the winter months), we will be at 1/500 hospitalized in less than 100 days. I would even make a wager that America will hit 660 K hospitalizations (1/500) by Christmas. Save your investment in coffins as I reiterate that my main point is that death is not the best measure of morbidity (key word morbidity not mortality), however, hospitalization gives you a fairly accurate measurement of severity. For example, while one study reported 0 non suicide chainsaw fatalities during a 5 year span, they reported 120,000 chainsaw injuries including lacerations, amputations, and misc injuries. The morbidity number in this case is much more relevant in assessing the dangers of chainsaw use.
[URL]https://covidtracking.com/data/national/hospitalization[/URL]
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2496080]Mursenary correctly states that the trade off discussion on socio-economic is what is needed. COVID is serious. So is opiod deaths: 24 in a 1000 in Ohio (much higher than hospital admissions) roughly 68,000 annually, about a quarter of COVID deaths to date in 2020.
[/QUOTE]I have no idea how a chronic problem that, ironically enough, had already been declared a national public health emergency by Donal J Trump himself where legislation has already been passed to address what has been deemed a serious issue, has anything to do with the current infectious disease crisis. This statement serves the same purpose as the assholes who, when talking about the pandemic, say "but one million people die from car accidents a year but we don't lock down for that!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2496248]I have no idea how a chronic problem that, ironically enough, had already been declared a national public health emergency by Donal J Trump himself where legislation has already been passed to address what has been deemed a serious issue, has anything to do with the current infectious disease crisis. This statement serves the same purpose as the assholes who, when talking about the pandemic, say "but one million people die from car accidents a year but we don't lock down for that![/QUOTE]True that. And we take actions to curb traffic fatalities, ie. Drunk driving and seat belt laws, speed limits, road signs, traffic lights, vehicle safety inspections, etc. The stream of lame arguments coming out of fake news sources like Fox and other conservative media seems endless. File this one under false analogy. Also the "lockdown" line is often employed as a straw man as that is only recommended as a temporary measure in extreme circumstances. The typical recommendations of course are social distancing, masks, and hand washing.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL]
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2496291]Just as a data point, not excusing this behavior, but I've heard WGs say they avoid South Asians for several reasons.
- Body odor and lack of hygiene.
- Sexual inexperience.
- Bargaining, wanting everything for the cheapest price.
I can see this from personal experience, if not from stereotypes: The first, from the cuisine. The second, from the sexually repressive culture. The last from the bargaining / marketplace culture.
I've met South Asians in clubs but they give off vibes that run counter to all these -- they're very white, "coconuts" as the slang goes.
We all have to deal with stereotypes, some work in our favor and some work against us, and it's better to neutralize them and get your way than complain about them and not get your way.
WGs have also told me they will discriminate against Black clients not because of size, but because they will more often have pimping aspirations and try to get a girl into their stable. Black clients who don't give off a thug vibe will probably have an easier time with WGs..[/QUOTE]Stereotypes can obviously be wrong but when a girl is trying to make a sale to an unknown man, stereotypes are all she has. The guy can overcome the stereotype if he is interested in the girl. For example, if as you say South Asian guys can use a nice cologne and body spray, be clean and pleasant, and not haggle like a shyster. The good news is that all these stereotypes are easily dispelled by how they carry themselves.
Yes, it should be obvious that FKK WGs are not girls seeking sex but sellers seeking buyers for their service. As any merchant looking to sell their service, they want (a) easy customers (b) high prices (c) repeat customers (d) less effort on their part to minimize the wear and tear on their body to preserve it for future sales.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2496021]If your post had simply said "I am comfortable with ignoring distancing and masks, I feel my risk tolerance is such that I am comfortable ignoring this virus", no one would say much. At least I won't.
But your comment went a lot farther than that. You ridiculed the guys taking health precautions and played up "bravery" of young hookers. You don't know who has what sort of health, financial, other personal issues. You think you are able to make judgement on every person's personal life and dictate to them what they should do, and if they don't abide by your dictats, you feel qualified to mock them in public forums.
And then you wonder why you received a harsh response to such a comment.
Look, I am not one of those who is in one camp firmly. I recognize the risks posed by the virus to a large enough number of people and I also understand the real, serious economic consequences to millions of people today. There is no easy choice. I am happily distanced in my own life, making good money and comfortably wfh, w / not even the daily commute to worry about. I realize I am lucky and privileged, and I know that not everyone has the same fortune.
What I will not do is ridicule one camp or the other. Those indulging in such mocking deserve everyone's opprobrium, IMO.[/QUOTE]Aren't you getting bored working only from home? I'm going stir-crazy sitting home and web conferences all day long.
BTW, I won't ridicule if those folks were just saying that they themselves won't go to FKKs now for their own weaker health conditions or other related situations, and didn't try to lecture others who are going. They were (are) kinda lecturing others to not enlist to military just because they think it's risky. After all it's a fight for the existence of our beloved FKK / P6 system LOL.
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I worked 5 years + in India and that is really not a stereotype, just advice some guys on this forum to take as many times that I have done it, INDIGO flights sometimes it is impossible to seat next to some people just the smell is terrible. After some experiences and good connections I always choose to seat next to Indian Muslim because with them you never get any problems, sorry for that but it was my hard reality.
Coming back to FKK, we all know girls who will never go with other man than white Christian over 50, also sorry for that but it is the reality, obviously these girls are the most beautiful and they are not desperate to get 50 euros.
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[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2496666]More exactly some girls don't want to stay because they don't like for some reasons, a few of girls told me: small place, full service level for 50, beers etc etc.
But many girls want to work there and get refused for any reasons, that's true as well.[/QUOTE]Main reason is many don't want to work for everything for 50 with some Germans reporting to desk when not everything. NL use to spend more, and also waste of time waiting for room. Yes, many Romanian beauties were refused, even they made come Romanians from LR when they didn't get anymore enough girls. LR on 2016/2017 had higher casting than I most often saw at GT where only very few attractive looks. Not number 1 for beauties. GT Vienna casting is more impressive.
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Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.
Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.
Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.
I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.
But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.
I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.
Good Luck and stay safe.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2496638]Aren't you getting bored working only from home? I'm going stir-crazy sitting home and web conferences all day long.
BTW, I won't ridicule if those folks were just saying that they themselves won't go to FKKs now for their own weaker health conditions or other related situations, and didn't try to lecture others who are going. They were (are) kinda lecturing others to not enlist to military just because they think it's risky. After all it's a fight for the existence of our beloved FKK / P6 system LOL.[/QUOTE]Of course. 2020 has been a fucking hell, for everyone.
Sometimes I think about all those girls I fucked and wonder if it really happened to me, LOL. Feels unreal.
You pack nearly 8 billion human beings who increasingly over the decades have been rewarded for being more and more social and suddenly ask them to distance, it is a fucking nightmare.
However, I still know I have a privileged life and so many have died and millions more are struggling in multiple ways. Can't wait to say sayonara to this year.
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/pandemic-fatigue-is-realand-its-spreading-11603704601[/URL]
Pandemic Fatigue Is Real—And It's Spreading.
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EL: I am more afraid by your comment than by the covid. May be have you noticed that this virus seems to be out of control in many parts of the world.
Probably the things will get worse in the coming weeks and may be we will face another quarantine in Europe just because so many people don't respect social distancing. I am afraid that the economical impact will be terrible in the coming months, the biggest winner seems to be China for the moment.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2496739]EL: I am more afraid by your comment than by the covid. May be have you noticed that this virus seems to be out of control in many parts of the world.
Probably the things will get worse in the coming weeks and may be we will face another quarantine in Europe just because so many people don't respect social distancing. I am afraid that the economical impact will be terrible in the coming months, the biggest winner seems to be China for the moment.[/QUOTE]No one ever knows to who you are replying. — "Reply with Quote".
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2496731]On my few weekly visits since soon 8 years, quite many visits all over FKK land, never heard any WGs: German or Romanian, telling me about black pimping, when telling about Balkanians, Turkish, Afghans for German WGs, but many WGs don't want black size, when they have problem with normal Caucasian size and when Asian size is so much easier. WGs seem to have smaller vagina than women in real life who usually seem to enjoy to feel something inside them.[/QUOTE]The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2496696]I worked 5 years + in India and that is really not a stereotype, just advice some guys on this forum to take as many times that I have done it, INDIGO flights sometimes it is impossible to seat next to some people just the smell is terrible. After some experiences and good connections I always choose to seat next to Indian Muslim because with them you never get any problems, sorry for that but it was my hard reality.
Coming back to FKK, we all know girls who will never go with other man than white Christian over 50, also sorry for that but it is the reality, obviously these girls are the most beautiful and they are not desperate to get 50 euros.[/QUOTE]That's interesting to hear about Indian Muslims. I wonder if diet is responsible. Indian Muslims eat meat, while Indian vegetarians have to rely on a lot of alliums (onions, garlic, etc) to make food more palatable.
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EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2496729]Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.
Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.
Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.
I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.
But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.
I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.
Good Luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Try reframing your idea of risk assessment and expand your perception of why these events unfolded as they have in order to understand why this is such a major public health crisis.
[B]1 in 500[/B] 1 in 500 people in the western world's general population at large have been hospitalized. Amongst people under 50 years old, 1 in 750. Those numbers will only rise; that's mathematically guaranteed. Mind you, that statistic is with mitigation efforts in place. What if we had kept society 100% open? What would be the rate of hospitalization if the virus was free to spread before we reach herd immunity? 1 in 250? 1 in 100?
Point is, death is not the only consequence worthy of consideration. While I support making attempts to resume society and also share the same criticism of sensational media outlets, we must first, at the very least, recognize the severity of this pandemic in order to understand how serious of a public health crisis this can really be.
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I treat them as soliloquies arguing with a straw man that he disagrees with; the straw man changes with the nature and topic of the argument.
An example being this present comment from yours truly.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2496897]EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.[/QUOTE]
Ah yeah, Muslims wash a lot more too. Wudu they call it. Lol @ that joke.
Not to get too philsophical but some might argue that China's success versus India's also suggests the limits of the idea that unfettered democracy is better than limited socialism.
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2496964]Ah yeah, Muslims wash a lot more too. Wudu they call it. Lol @ that joke.
Not to get too philsophical but some might argue that China's success versus India's also suggests the limits of the idea that unfettered democracy is better than limited socialism.[/QUOTE]Yeah It's called WAZU.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2496829]No one ever knows to who you are replying. "Reply with Quote".[/QUOTE]That's true LOL xD.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2496729]Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.
Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.
Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.
I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.
But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.
I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.
Good Luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]What is sure this virus is quite aggressive, so many top politicians, mayor. Stars got sick and they have all the means to protects themselves. I never listen any politicians and try to make my own opinion taking info from differents sources in French. , English and German, Contrary to all what was said months before the second wave is already there and nothing have changed in the last 6 months, only solution is to quarantine again millions of people with all the terrible consequences: no treatment, no vaccine nothing the same means like in the middle age.
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2496888]The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.[/QUOTE]Never heard about black guys pimping in FKK land, don't know for US paid sex, but I confirm many Romanian WGs don't want to go with Romanian guys, like many German girls don't want to go with Balkanians, Albanians. They go with Turkish, when many German girls are turkish pimped.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2496901]Try reframing your idea of risk assessment and expand your perception of why these events unfolded as they have in order to understand why this is such a major public health crisis.
[B]1 in 500[/B] 1 in 500 people in the western world's general population at large have been hospitalized. Amongst people under 50 years old, 1 in 750. Those numbers will only rise; that's mathematically guaranteed. Mind you, that statistic is with mitigation efforts in place. What if we had kept society 100% open? What would be the rate of hospitalization if the virus was free to spread before we reach herd immunity? 1 in 250? 1 in 100?
Point is, death is not the only consequence worthy of consideration. While I support making attempts to resume society and also share the same criticism of sensational media outlets, we must first, at the very least, recognize the severity of this pandemic in order to understand how serious of a public health crisis this can really be.[/QUOTE]I do agree with most of what you said BUT I want to disagree on one point (mitigation).
You assumed -as a fact- That mitigation worked well, you think it really did well as number you post suggest that mitigation reduced hospitalization from (1 in 500) to 1 in 250 or 1 in 100 ! Thats huge affect, so you suggest mitigation saved more than have of the population or it is 50% to 80% effective!! I really doubt that. Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work.
That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point against mitigation is (myFreedom to decide what's best to my heath) I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2497035]That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point is Freedom to decide what's best to me, I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]In an ideal world you are 100% correct. But sadly there are a lot of stupid people in the world. Just look at any Trump rally. And though civil liberties are important, it's also important to protect societies from stupid people. That would include people who believe they should be able to drive drunk, or stupid people who believe they should be able to stockpile machine guns and grenade launchers. Also US courts have upheld forced hospitalizations of Tuberculosis patients. There's a place for limiting rights, and it's done all the time.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2497035]I do agree with most of what you said BUT I want to disagree on one point (mitigation).
You assumed -as a fact- That mitigation worked well, you think it really did well as number you post suggest that mitigation reduced hospitalization from (1 in 500) to 1 in 250 or 1 in 100 ! Thats huge affect, so you suggest mitigation saved more than have of the population or it is 50% to 80% effective!! I really doubt that. Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work.
That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point against mitigation is (myFreedom to decide what's best to my heath) I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]How quickly we've forgotten NYC, Milan, and Wuhan where hospitals were overrun leading to double digit death rates. Current death rates are less than 1%. That was the effect with no mitigation.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7125421/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-has-dropped-in-recent-months-11603388389[/URL]
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n in 1000 - can mursenary reveal
If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:
When will ICU be overwhelmed? (n in 1000)
When will casualty be overwhelmed? (see above)
What is the crisis rate, and why does colder weather necessarily portend higher incidence?
COVID is real; FKK is a super spreader environment. On the other hand, the economy and our society is in deep shit, and we need to have a real chat about trade offs, in just the same way that dialysis rationing was once playing god. The folks here are smart enough to see all the implicit moral judgements and bastard type arguments "they are old anyway. "; we all received a death sentence at birth. Beyond that is merely statistical. Many people under 30 see this as a bunch of terrified boomers. It does seem heavily tilted to aged care homes and medical crumbles. Deep economic shit can create wars, civil and otherwise. Lack of beautiful young girls to provide fun is sad. So is lack of travel. A morning BJ and pretty smile cheers a fellow up!
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2497035] Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work. [/QUOTE]This is another fake argument circulating around. "Restrictions" are meaningless without effective enforcement and with widespread non-compliance across populations. This for example has been a huge problem in the Americas, in countries such as Colombia and Peru, and in the US and most notably, in my home state of Florida. This was all hashed out BTW in the Colombia forum on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread while the Fox News crowd kicked and screamed and ignored the evidence. I'm not posting all the links to sources over again, but you are free to go there and dig up the discussions. Bottom line, those guys and their man Trump have been dead wrong, but it's too late for them to admit it as too much is at stake. Is tough, to say the very least, for someone to admit that their wrong opinions and policies have been responsible for the needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people.
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Will we need Tyrell Corp Pleasure Model Replicants
Kris was pretty hot. Tight grip, endless suction, can do any position, walk on ceiling, trained in male anatomy and sex tricks, great kisser, and no diseases, COVID, pregnancy, toilet stops, periods, jealousy etc. Just add the chess, chef, massage therapist, psychologist and <insert module, languages, pre-programmed memory/temprament> and you have the perfect mate. Roy messed it up with consciousness, but was compassionate in the end. Themes of slavery abound in history, this was just another take. Still, maybe it would be good for MANkind.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497080]If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:
When will ICU be overwhelmed? (n in 1000)
When will casualty be overwhelmed? (see above)
What is the crisis rate, and why does colder weather necessarily portend higher incidence?.[/QUOTE]Cold. Concentration indoors. Respiratory spread.
We in the USA have already been overwhelmed twice, once in April, and again in June / July, and are seeing the beginnings of the third episode.
You and everyone here have the same access to google, cdc, ecdc, and who data that I do if you want to determine length of stay, total beds available, and ICU mortality in order to calculate your estimated critical value for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed. It's beyond my scope of expertise. Perhaps you can crunch the numbers and report back to me this time.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2496897]EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.[/QUOTE]For Western world, China is number 1 for human rights and freedom for citizens with many who live afraid, also for truth, level of quality and reliability. I don't plan to buy more a MG than a Tata car and Chinese vaccine would not be allowed in France, after tests reliability. Great quality for us. As I told to German Stella at Palace, I brush my teeth only once a year, still having nearly all my real teeth, over 50, and climbing up Agnel 2744 m high on Sunday with snow on road on last kilometer, it was just a day in Paradise when I drove from Koln to South French Alps for this, my best French test, best quality, after really cleaning German autobahn between south Karlsruhe and north Freiburg, even missing more than 50 horsepower, waiting for new engine, Audi accepted to change after 1 year fight.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497083]This is another fake argument circulating around. "Restrictions" are meaningless without effective enforcement and with widespread non-compliance across populations. This for example has been a huge problem in the Americas, in countries such as Colombia and Peru, and in the US and most notably, in my home state of Florida. This was all hashed out BTW in the Colombia forum on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread while the Fox News crowd kicked and screamed and ignored the evidence. I'm not posting all the links to sources over again, but you are free to go there and dig up the discussions. Bottom line, those guys and their man Trump have been dead wrong, but it's too late for them to admit it as too much is at stake. Is tough, to say the very least, for someone to admit that their wrong opinions and policies have been responsible for the needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people.[/QUOTE]You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.
New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.
If you want to save lives; vote Republican!
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2496888]The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.[/QUOTE]I don't believe that black or muslim or. Have more criminal activities than the other, it is link with the level of poverty and there unfortunately in the poor levels of the society, black, muslim. Are over represented for various reasons, single mothers, number of children in the family (having many children is a gift from god and a gift to god), this is also true for the Romanian girls, very few are coming from wealthy families, despite what some of you believe very few are graduate. Or even are students. I used to walk a lot around the FKK clubs and I can tell you that many times I saw guys after dropping the girls to the clubs, having a drink in a bar or MD and chatting with other girls on a Ipad while her GF was getting fucked for money in the FKK. Maybe this is a modern form of love.
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For all those who still can't stay out of the FKK scene, advice them to visit as fast as fast possible, probably this afternoon the German Government will again close all the brothels and I think for a long time may be until June 2021, now I understand better why I saw 2 days back so many Audi, BMW, Mercedes with Rumanian girls onboard driving around Vienna, they are aware of the closing of the brothels so they return home as fast as possible. Their pussy can rest and they will come back as virgin.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497080]If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:
COVID is real; FKK is a super spreader environment.[/QUOTE]I know a guy I often met in FKK, more than 65 years old, he visited Sixsens 2 weeks this last summer, one week I was 4 days with him in Sixsens and he went to the room with girls 2 or 3 times everyday then he went also in Nrw sauna clubs this month in the same way, going to the rooms with girls everyday, and he made covid tests between the visits, always negative!
I also met a lot of girls this summer in clubs and hotels both in Switzerland and Nrw, and I haven't developed any symptoms, nothing, not even a little cough! (I live alone and I work at home, so there's no risks for the others).
This virus is really beyond our belief!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2496829]No one ever knows to who you are replying. "Reply with Quote".[/QUOTE]I've often wondered why EL does not reply with quotes.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2497260]I've often wondered why EL does not reply with quotes.[/QUOTE]Sorry I had a technical issue that I was able to solve yesterday, hopping now it is fine.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497148]You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.
New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.
If you want to save lives; vote Republican![/QUOTE]Wow. Now Trump campaign managers are seeking votes on ISG. He must be in desperate trouble, LOL.
The states you mentioned are all urbanized, cosmopolitan states with densely packed cities on the coast which saw runaway infections at a time when no controls were in place, no protocols were in place, PPE and other supplies were in shortage, and physicians were still trying to figure out how to treat the virus, and of course there were no medications like Remdesivir or dexaM or other things not to mention the MAB cocktails which Trump ingested (Lysol was however available, at least for the doses needed for drinking if not cleaning).
I find it curious that Trump takes credit for good things that happen at the country level, even international level (such as the BionTech and Oxford vaccines in development) but delegates blame to states and lower levels for things gone awry. One would think the POTUS is responsible for an important thing like national public health (and national economy which is in deep shit at the moment).
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2494045]Is Berlin being locked down now or?[/QUOTE]Announced today, everything closing (massage, bordellos, clubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, saunas, pools, tourist hotel visits) 2 Nov through end Nov. Further review in mid Nov. Whip has come down; party is over. See [URL]www.thelocal.de[/URL]. Plenty of time to watch Hell's Angles movies.
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Higher level or educated Romanians or Germans don't work in brothels and not many as escorts. When you look at girls teeth, you can see from which level of life they come from. I remember my 29 yo Romanian at World who had teeth brace when I discovered her, once she told me so proudly: look at my teeth, no more brace, she was lightning smiling.
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[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2497354]Announced today, everything closing (massage, bordellos, clubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, saunas, pools, tourist hotel visits) 2 Nov through end Nov. Further review in mid Nov. Whip has come down; party is over. See [URL]www.thelocal.de[/URL]. Plenty of time to watch Hell's Angles movies.[/QUOTE]More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?
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On COVID
I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!
It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.
What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497148]You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.
New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.
If you want to save lives; vote Republican![/QUOTE]Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497403]I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!
It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.
What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.[/QUOTE]Not only in the US, usually the big cities have more diversity and migration, those people are extremely manipulated by the social medias, don't be racist, be vegan, use a electric car, LGBT, if you are a couple of men why not asking a Indian woman to have a baby for you (in 1 word they believe in CNN). They are extremely aggressive to defend this model the only problem is when there is quarantine most of them will leave their beautiful cities to the country. Maybe we can also consider that covid is link with number of people per M2, far more in the big cities, by social categories (more prominent is the poorer one, come back to less QM2 available) , by level of education: for example if you are a white Christian, healthy, graduate in your 40 or 50 the risks to die from Covid are very low, in Europe for example the impact of the quarantine is far different if you live in a 300M2 house with 2000 M2 land or in a apartment of 50 M2 in a Paris suburb with 3 children, no terrace.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497148]You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.
New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.
If you want to save lives; vote Republican![/QUOTE]Wait but I'm old enough to remember that McDonald Trump said that the virus would disappear by April or at least with the hot weather. McDonald Trump also said that the 15 people who tested positive in the US would soon become 5 and then 2 and then 0. Are you saying he lied about it? I'm also old enough to remember that McDonald Trump squeezed his brain so much to come up with a effective therapy against Covid-19 that he first suggested to use a flu vaccine to vaccinate against Covid-19 (ignoring they are two different viruses) and then an old good injection of bleach for the very sick ones. He also said that the only reason we have cases it is because we test and that if we didn't test, we would have no cases (almost as if testing would give people Covid! I'm also old enough to remember that McDonald Trump is so annoyed that all the news are currently focussed on Covid, which has killed almost 250,000 americans while they were not talking about a fake plane crash that killed 500. You want 4 more years of this? Wow!
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497403]I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!
It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.
What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.[/QUOTE]Why can't Europeans stay home instead of protesting on the street with bunch of people, wear mask and stop or limit socializing? LOL Are they that difficult?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2497174]I don't believe that black or muslim or. Have more criminal activities than the other, it is link with the level of poverty and there unfortunately in the poor levels of the society, black, muslim. Are over represented for various reasons, single mothers, number of children in the family (having many children is a gift from god and a gift to god), this is also true for the Romanian girls, very few are coming from wealthy families, despite what some of you believe very few are graduate. Or even are students. I used to walk a lot around the FKK clubs and I can tell you that many times I saw guys after dropping the girls to the clubs, having a drink in a bar or MD and chatting with other girls on a Ipad while her GF was getting fucked for money in the FKK. Maybe this is a modern form of love.[/QUOTE]Well France just declared religious warfare on all Muslim people and the war began in church and street of France it seems! Crazy thing is going on in that nation France, crazy!
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497368]More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?[/QUOTE]It is too early to declare the Swedish experiment a success or failure. Even Sweden has repeatedly said that this is a marathon and not a sprint. Sweden took a "light approach" with their restrictions. But has that resulted in the virus being exposed to a majority of its 10 million citizens? As of mid-June:
[QUOTE]Around 14 percent of people in the Stockholm region, or around one in seven, had antibodies for Covid-19 according to samples provided by private healthcare provider Werlabs.
The company analyzed 50,000 samples between May and mid-June. The samples belong to private individuals and companies who have offered tests to their staff a service Werlabs provides in certain (mostly urban) regions for the price of 750 kronor for private individuals.
https://www.thelocal.se/20200618/one-in-seven-stockholmers-had-coronavirus-antibody-in-private-tests
[/QUOTE]For reference, London over the same time period was at 13 percent: [URL]https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/about-us/news/largest-home-antibody-testing-publishes-results[/URL].
In general, restrictions result in less circulation and exposure of the virus. But the data seems to show that less restrictions did not result in increased spread of the virus in Stockholm. One possible explanation: Swedish voluntarily complied with the governments "recommendations" and have done a better job at socially distancing themselves and reducing spread. We can see this compliance versus coercion argument with parenting. For example, with one child you might be able to get away with a gentle recommendation, "Son, it would be great if you didn't play video games and studied". With another child, you wouldn't be able to use such a "light approach". You would literally need to lock them in a room and take away their video game console (and even that is no guarantee that they would study).
I am cheering for Sweden. I would love to see updated studies that show that 80 percent of the Stockholm population had already contracted the virus and 99 percent had already recovered. That would be good news for the world. Hasn't happened yet. Scientists have already said that re-infection is extremely rare (at least being re-infected within a six month timeframe). So if most people in Sweden had contracted the virus in the spring, then Sweden's new infections should not be surging at this moment. Looking at the data, the surge of new infections in Sweden cannot be attributed to increased testing. We are now in week 44 of 2020. Week 36 was the week Sweden vindicated their lockdown strategy and proved the world wrong, conducting 126188 tests with a positivity rating of 1 percent. Week 43, Sweden conducted 164742 tests, with positivity rating over 5 percent. If number of tests are increased, then you would want the positivity rating to go down or at least remain constant. [URL]https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/testing/xml/[/URL].
BTW, Weeks 35-38, when Sweden's positivity rate was in the 1-2 percent range, coincides with the Swedish summer tradition of going to the family summer home, which 50 percent of the population has access to. So a benefit of being the third largest country in the EU by land mass, and having only a population of 10 million is that you can socially distance with your family: [URL]https://sweden.se/culture-traditions/the-swedish-summer-house-a-love-affair/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497313]Wow. Now Trump campaign managers are seeking votes on ISG. He must be in desperate trouble, LOL.
The states you mentioned are all urbanized, cosmopolitan states with densely packed cities on the coast which saw runaway infections at a time when no controls were in place, no protocols were in place, PPE and other supplies were in shortage, and physicians were still trying to figure out how to treat the virus, and of course there were no medications like Remdesivir or dexaM or other things not to mention the MAB cocktails which Trump ingested (Lysol was however available, at least for the doses needed for drinking if not cleaning).
I find it curious that Trump takes credit for good things that happen at the country level, even international level (such as the BionTech and Oxford vaccines in development) but delegates blame to states and lower levels for things gone awry. One would think the POTUS is responsible for an important thing like national public health (and national economy which is in deep shit at the moment).[/QUOTE]Oh, and you must be Fredo Cuomo trying to campaign for Biden.
How could anyone vote for Biden or the Democratic Party when they so clearly refuse to take any responsibility for their failures?
To paraphrase Biden; "if you don't vote for Trump you're not White".
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Moving forward?
I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?
Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020 when I suggested to block all Asians, mainly people from China, into other countries (and since this is after all an FKK forum, block them from FKKs). They need to understand that if we had blocked Asians back then (not just in FKKs but everywhere outside Asia), we probably could have limit spread of the virus locally in Asia, as opposed to having it as a global pandemic. Since we (countries) didn't do it in time, now the virus has spread every corner of the world, we lost that initial opportunity of isolating it locally. Now we are at a different phase where we need to counter the virus head-on, hiding in our basements will only delay the inevitable but will damage more in the longer run (think this way: In the Swedish way, I may have lost my beloved grandpa, but at least all his kids and grandkids would have had the natural immunity built by now and they would survive, but since we did the lockdowns which reduced the natural immunity (instead of increasing it) of the whole family, now more members of the family are in risk category and we may lose more of them including my beloved grandpa). If (I seriously hope not) there is another new deadly pathogen comes from another country, I still strongly believe that we should ASAP first try to isolate the source country before it gets spread everywhere; and establishments (airlines, clubs, bars, restaurants etc etc) shouldn't wait for the slow-moving governments to act quickly in blocking people from that country, albeit hopefully governments will also act before it is too late. Some people think this approach is racist, I think it is a prudent approach to isolate the people from the source country (any country, be in Germany, France, USA, China whichever) from rest of the world.
I look forward for a civil discussion on this "moving forward" topic, without any name-calling or angry or political comments please. Interestingly, one very nice Asian guy I met last weekend in a party said about the lockdowns: "Dude, it's called natural selection. I am not staying in scared shit waiting to die."
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Just genuinely curious.
If everything in and about the USA Is as bad as you continuously post, and everywhere else (especially Germany) is so great, then why don't you immigrate?
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497403]I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!
It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.
What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497451]Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.[/QUOTE]It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate as it's neighbor Norway, in a fool's errand chasing herd immunity. And yes, the Fox News pundits want to talk about NYC while they completely ignore the exemplary job New Yorkers did breaking the curve, and did so using the very public health measures that Fox and the Trump cult claim do not work.
And the politicizing of course has been done by the wannabe dictator Trump, his corrupt inner circle and his followers as they've downplayed the Covid situation in an attempt to stay in power. The result has been the lose of untold 1000's of lives.
Americans go vote. This is not one to sit out.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497593]Oh, and you must be Fredo Cuomo trying to campaign for Biden.
How could anyone vote for Biden or the Democratic Party when they so clearly refuse to take any responsibility for their failures?
To paraphrase Biden; "if you don't vote for Trump you're not White".[/QUOTE]Actually I have voted GOP 80% of my life but based on the "intelligence" you displayed here, you must fit in the dominant demographic that votes for Trump.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497368]More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?[/QUOTE]You can wish for anything but your wish will not come true in W EU. It might in the US if Trump wins. He is already advocating for a severe reduction of testing and if he does win, testing will be curtailed, true case #s will be unknown, and death tolls, hospitalizations, other health issues will be whatever they will be, until we achieve this so called herd immunity (on its own, with the help of a vaccine, whatever, whenever).
I think US private sector will protect their workers, at least the high paying white collar jobs will be. They will WFH. There is not even any discussion in my company about when workers will be asked to come back to office. If anyone feels uncomfortable and wants to wfh indefinitely, there is no question that request will be granted. Blue collar, manufacturing, essential and other workers can fend for themselves.
I don't know any other Western nation which will follow that path though. Asians like JP / KR / TW have clammed up, and will keep it close. Developing nations such as Brazil, India are already like Sweden and in any case it is almost impossible to truly lock down such countries. I would not at all be surprised if herd immunity will be achieved earlier in those nations (they also tend to be young).
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2497475]Not only in the US, usually the big cities have more diversity and migration, those people are extremely manipulated by the social medias, don't be racist, be vegan, use a electric car, LGBT,.[/QUOTE]And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497607]I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?.[/QUOTE]Haha there is a name to the "Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020" and that is me. And back then you specifically advocated people w / Asian look should be banned from FKKs. I then asked if that applied to Asians who were already in Germany for a few weeks, for a few months, even years. Furthermore was it not the logical conclusion then to round up all Asians who were living in DE at that time (and in fact all western nations) and deport them to their fatherlands? You never answered that specific question, as you always dodge the direct question for obvious reasons. But if an Asian guy should be stopped at the FKK door, he is equally dangerous for the rest of the society and should be banned.
I repeatedly said "countries have full freedom to enforce visa / entry policies as they please but once a guy is allowed inside the country it is evil to enforce a differentiated policy". You can keep doing your strawman arguments Gino, but the simple reality is that you cannot have it both ways. If a guy is dangerous to the girls and guys inside a club, he is just as dangerous outside the club. Why don't you have boldness to just proclaim loudly that you wanted all Asians from Western nations to be deported in Jan / Feb, that was your desire at that time? This site allows freedom of expression god bless them, you should state what is on your mind clearly. Why by PC?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2497588]I am cheering for Sweden. I would love to see updated studies that show that 80 percent of the Stockholm population had already contracted the virus and 99 percent had already recovered.[/QUOTE]With all the fake news and pseudo-science floating around cyberspace you probably could find something to that effect with minimal effort. That said, cheerleading isn't going to help. Trump proves that beyond all doubt. Following the guidelines encouraged by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet is what is going to help.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497652]And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?[/QUOTE]Yes of course but I lived 20 years in many countries including US, China, India, Brazil, so maybe I have a little bit of understanding of really maters, for example what is happening today in France, Spain, Italy, Germany, . Will end very badly and it has already started, now if you consider that safety is not a priority, if you consider that a woman can't wear a short dress in a public bus after 10 PM, like in many big cities in Europe. It is your choice but not my choice.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497642]It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede.[/QUOTE]Jeez, he is a Swede? Fuck!
Wtf is he yapping about Biden and Trump? Next time he talks about US politics, I will show him my middle finger LOL.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497652]And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?[/QUOTE]You are quite right, Paulie. My observation is that the most manipulated of all the people are the ones who continuously bemoan that others are manipulated?
If one has his own, sensible brain that person can read an opinion, either agree / disagree, reply with a concurrence / disagreement / or ignore it altogether. But some pompous people hold forth that anyone who disagrees with them on any topic is necessarily manipulated. Usually, they also tend to be the ones making the most irrational arguments completely detached from reality.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2497558]Why can't Europeans stay home instead of protesting on the street with bunch of people, wear mask and stop or limit socializing? LOL Are they that difficult?[/QUOTE]What do you know about France? We have so many muslims in France and I think most are very happy to live in France, rather than in their own origin. But yes, we are in war against terrorism, integrism, we can't let these barbares cut a 70 yo woman throat or another woman killed kicked many times with a knife today in a Christian church. These guys are not men, just terrorists, at 18 or 21 yo.
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Here goes the straw man again.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2497368]More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life.[/QUOTE]No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2497588]It is too early to declare the Swedish experiment a success or failure..[/QUOTE]I wonder how or who will ever judge whether this experiment is a success or failure.
Every country is different in so many ways. Geography, demographics, pop density, economic conditions, health infrastructure, government spending on healthcare, on and on.
If outcomes are different, how does any one attribute the end result to one specific thing such as the action the government / country took with regards to lockdown, and not other things which make Sweden different from others?
ANd what is success / failure? Economic? Health outcomes? Would that be deaths, absolute # deaths, death / populations, deaths / infection, something else? What about # infected and their long term health conditions? Those will not be known for a long time.
And who makes this judgement and proclaim like Moses on the mountain "behold, I declare Sweden a success / failure" -- this thing is so fucking political. Whatever anyone says, it will be disputed by the other half.
In the end, Sweden is just one more country, a country with half the population of Florida, that is taking up too much of the globe's attention. So, they chose some plan. Good for them. I think they will end up somewhere in the middle, neither the best nor the worst on many of the measurement axis, and nothing will be conclusively proven.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497707]And who makes this judgement and proclaim like Moses on the mountain "behold, I declare Sweden a success / failure" -- this thing is so fucking political. Whatever anyone says, it will be disputed by the other half.[/QUOTE]It's only political, in the US that is, because a petulant, childish sociopath is running for a second term as president. He decided to ignore his own CDC and all contagious disease specialists at his disposal and hire a wholly unqualified herd immunity quack (radiologist) because he felt such an outlook better suited his re-election prospects. And, sadly, there is an abundance of bigoted, poorly educated folks in the US that believe anything he and his preferred media sources tell them. It hasn't been particularly political in Asia because people tended to just follow science and reasonable government protocols, and all often to good ends. As to Sweden, follow the evidence. Yes argument is inevitable. Unreasonable people always yell the loudest and fight to the bitter end. They are a sure bet for the last word in an internet discussion. But all arguments aren't created equally. Comparing Sweden to their Nordic neighbors is especially embarrassing, but there's much more.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2497687]What do you know about France? We have so many muslims in France and I think most are very happy to live in France, rather than in their own origin. But yes, we are in war against terrorism, integrism, we can't let these barbares cut a 70 yo woman throat or another woman killed kicked many times with a knife today in a Christian church. These guys are not men, just terrorists, at 18 or 21 yo.[/QUOTE]I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497607]I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?[/QUOTE]Europeans are too selfish to follow lock down procedure or wear masks, which resulted in many death! It is not in their culture and nature to be disciplined, so Swedish method can be considered!
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If letting half French population getting infected, when nobody is sure about immunity after, some were infected twice, then French doctors plan for about 400000 deaths, when we have around 40000 which is already too many, when Sweden and Stockholm have one of the highest rate, when they kill many old people, when 85% of our dead in France are over 70 yo, when NL prefer to confine now for this second wave when they didn t for first. So, confine in Bavaria, again in France and they should extend to at least 6 weeks for us. Job was more complicated about safety since mid March and will be more and more complicated. Wish can ski for Christmas, when climbed for 5 months and wish for last one tomorrow.
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It is too late, the numbers and demography are making all the differences (France has the biggest Muslim population in Europe) it is impossible to solve that problem, it is not to say that all the Muslim are criminals far from that, but al the terrorists today in France are Muslim, for decades Christian, Jude, Hindu, Orthodox never beheaded somebody in France. How many terror attacks in Hungary, Poland, Slovenia. Why? Several years back I decided to sell all my assets in France and to move to a country where the life is like decades back in France, now also here the real-estate is skyrocketing because many French, Italian, Belgium, Dutch, German want also to live here. One of the highest ranking French police officer just bought a house not far from me, I asked him why, he laughed at me and answered for the same reasons than you.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497698]No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL][/QUOTE]100% Bullshit talk.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497642]It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate as it's neighbor Norway, in a fool's errand chasing herd immunity. And yes, the Fox News pundits want to talk about NYC while they completely ignore the exemplary job New Yorkers did breaking the curve, and did so using the very public health measures that Fox and the Trump cult claim do not work.
And the politicizing of course has been done by the wannabe dictator Trump, his corrupt inner circle and his followers as they've downplayed the Covid situation in an attempt to stay in power. The result has been the lose of untold 1000's of lives.
Americans go vote. This is not one to sit out.[/QUOTE]5000 didn't die because of the virus, 5000 who died did test positive for the COVID-19. That's a huge difference, Sweden would have had a lot less deaths if they counted the same way as other countries.
It's a little bit comical how afraid you're of a virus that has no effect on normal people.
Thank you for the laughs, so you're actually praising New York, the Corona Capital of the World. Thanks for the laugh, I'm glad that we in Sweden handled this so much better. New York really has a lot to learn from Sweden and our handling of the Coronavirus. I'm glad that we are doing so much better than the states governed by the Democrats.
No masks, no lockdowns and we're not even close to being the worst affected country. That's a great success. The World should follow our great strategy, instead of doing crazy experiments.
Americans should go vote, vote against the irresponsible and failed Democrats.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497649]Actually I have voted GOP 80% of my life but based on the "intelligence" you displayed here, you must fit in the dominant demographic that votes for Trump.[/QUOTE]I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone like you.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497698]No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition[/URL][/QUOTE]It's hilarious how CNN and the Democrats have manipulated you so easily thanks to your fear, weakness and poor education. You should change your username to Fredo.
Sweden is a lot better off than most other countries in Europe when considering the current trends.
Let's just admit it, the lockdowns failed.
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Some basic facts
Mongerer88: it's emigrate (leave) rather than immigrate. As a matter of fact, I am thinking of that, joining Peter Theil (PayPal) and Steve Wozniak (co-founder of Apple), one of the founders of Google and several Wall St billionaires who have chosen New Zealand as home, getting a passport and buying housing. The list is long. I'm in good company. And have a look as USD currency pairs while you are at it. Furthermore, the UK and US are a covid disaster. That's just fact. And why we travel the world as pussy hounds is because US women are not up to snuff.
Some rough facts Mursenary queried:
USA: 924 k beds for a population of 328 million, so one bed for every 354 people, and 36.3 m annual admissions. Hospitals hit 100% theoretic capacity at 0. 002817073% of the population getting sick and needing to be hospitalized. Not all beds are the same. ICU beds are much shorter supply, about 80 k beds.
I plucked this from [URL]https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals[/URL].
Some definitions seem wonky, - the ratios do not make sense. From the looks of it, an admission to a US hospitals costs $30.6 k on average. Median is unknown.
A more detailed report is here:
[URL]https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-prepared-is-the-us-to-respond-to-covid-19-relative-to-other-countries/[/URL]#item-hospital-beds-per-1000-population-total-and-by-curative-care-and-rehabilitative-beds-2016.
Putting the usual labels aside, we did phuck it up. Let's start fixing it. Starting with slowing new cases (duh !)
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497451]Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.[/QUOTE]It's funny how you Democrats always have an excuse and never a solution.
The worst affected states are still the blue ones, come back when that has changed.
The point is that the Democrats failed to make it better than the red states.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497802]USA: 924 k beds for a population of 328 million, so one bed for every 354 people, and 36.3 m annual admissions. Hospitals hit 100% theoretic capacity at 0. 002817073% of the population getting sick and needing to be hospitalized. Not all beds are the same. ICU beds are much shorter supply, about 80 k beds.
Some definitions seem wonky, - the ratios do not make sense. From the looks of it, an admission to a US hospitals costs $30.6 k on average. Median is unknown.[/QUOTE]You probably meant 0.28%. Point remains, not a lot of space considering many of those beds are designated for speciality services such as obstetrics and pediatrics. Then you still have to staff those units with physicians, nurses, and ancillary staff needed to care for these patients (Hospitals never retain enough staff to operate at 100% capacity.) There was a reason why, back in June, my hospital needed to construct an auxiliary field hospital in the parking lot staffed by the National Guard and temporary, contract physicians and nurses. My ICU (a major metropolitan hospital) is already over normal census with mostly non-covid patients. As covid hospitalizations rise and flu season sets in, there's a strong possibility that we're screwed if people continue to refuse to take precautions. Let's see what happens when families congregate during American Thanksgiving and then Christmas.
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Lol
[QUOTE=SobeLizard;2497788]100% Bullshit talk.[/QUOTE]That's a very sophisticated comeback. How was the Trump rally?
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Sweden
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2497714]It's only political, in the US that is, because a petulant, childish sociopath is running for a second term as president. He decided to ignore his own CDC and all contagious disease specialists at his disposal and hire a wholly unqualified herd immunity quack (radiologist) because he felt such an outlook better suited his re-election prospects. And, sadly, there is an abundance of bigoted, poorly educated folks in the US that believe anything he and his preferred media sources tell them. It hasn't been particularly political in Asia because people tended to just follow science and reasonable government protocols, and all often to good ends. As to Sweden, follow the evidence. Yes argument is inevitable. Unreasonable people always yell the loudest and fight to the bitter end. They are a sure bet for the last word in an internet discussion. But all arguments aren't created equally. Comparing Sweden to their Nordic neighbors is especially embarrassing, but there's much more.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting that so many people are talking about Sweden, especially those who know nothing about Sweden. I live in Sweden and the health authorities have said masks are useless for ordinary people (in line with scientific evidence until March of this year when suddenly every politician decided they know better than 100 years of medical expertise) so I am grateful for that. The only reason authorities mandate masks is to lower the oxygene flow to the brain so people will stop critical thinking. As for lock-downs the evidence is clear that it does not work, still countries try it a second time. The whole thing is mind-boggling.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497805]It's funny how you Democrats always have an excuse and never a solution.
The worst affected states are still the blue ones, come back when that has changed.
The point is that the Democrats failed to make it better than the red states.[/QUOTE]LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally.
Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2497898]Interesting that so many people are talking about Sweden, especially those who know nothing about Sweden. I live in Sweden and the health authorities have said masks are useless for ordinary people (in line with scientific evidence until March of this year when suddenly every politician decided they know better than 100 years of medical expertise) so I am grateful for that. The only reason authorities mandate masks is to lower the oxygene flow to the brain so people will stop critical thinking. As for lock-downs the evidence is clear that it does not work, still countries try it a second time. The whole thing is mind-boggling.[/QUOTE]Sure seems to be working in east asian countries and Oceana including Australia and New Zealand.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497794]I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone like you.[/QUOTE]You should, because you will not get too many more. BTW, why the fuck is a Swedish bloke yukking up about a country he knows nothing about? Did you pay a dime of tax in this country? I realize you may find some fraternity with the Proud Boys gang but until you pay you don't get to play. Come back to talk to us when you have a US citizenship and paid some taxes. Until then you are just a foreigner who has an opinion about American politics, which everyone in the world seems to have. Your view counts for something if you have a vote, which you don't. Thank god, because we have already enough idiots in our own country.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497707]I wonder how or who will ever judge whether this experiment is a success or failure.
Every country is different in so many ways. Geography, demographics, pop density, economic conditions, health infrastructure, government spending on healthcare, on and on.
If outcomes are different, how does any one attribute the end result to one specific thing such as the action the government / country took with regards to lockdown, and not other things which make Sweden different from others?
ANd what is success / failure? Economic? Health outcomes? Would that be deaths, absolute # deaths, death / populations, deaths / infection, something else? What about # infected and their long term health conditions? Those will not be known for a long time.[/QUOTE]I suspect if a broad cross section of countries adopted the Swedish model, we would see mixed results tbh. Since mid June, all the Schengen countries moved toward the Swedish model simply by reopening, did they not? Despite implementing a lockdown earlier in the year, I believe Czech Republic is closer to herd immunity than Sweden. If the world wants to know what happens when a large percentage of population has been infected, I say look at Czech Republic, not Sweden.
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Hospital beds
Mursenary is correct, many of the "beds" are specialized and secondly beds without highly trained people that go with them are useless furniture, and when that is factored in, then it is easy to see why governments around the world clamped down, fearing hospitals being overrun. Whatever may be the case 6 months later with better data / testing and hindsight, when they started this COVID was a big black box, and they rationally made the right call. With winter coming, and clinical realities referred to, yeah, there is a big problem in the USA.
Putting aside useless entertainment franchise labels (known as political parties), the two brands in the USA (and the UK, and some others) screwed it up. Other countries devoid of the major US brands fared much better, in the case of NZ and Taiwan, over a 100 fold LOWER in per capita rates compared to UK / USA. My guess is the reasons are structural. The stats I referred to shows the USA has fewer per capita doctors and a hell of a lot more bureaucrats in hospitals, probably dealing with Byzantine insurance duplication and inefficiencies.
As for the future of the USA, Glenn Greenwald (of Snowden and other highly controversial exposes) just quit a journal, complaining that his articles about Biden family cash-for-access by Russian gangster (putting aside legal niceties) was met by official Biden silence and the mainstream and / or social media did indeed censor it. This is not a political advertisment, but an observation that the media is selective and not some priesthood of impartiality. The schism between say NPR and Fox news merely represents different tribes in their respective echo chambers.
Who ever is in control after next week faces an economic meltdown, and polarized, angry society that needs to be less shrill, more rational and focus on practical issues like liveable wages, economic opportunity, housing, nutrition, health and happiness rather than moral nonsense, idiotic slogans, race and hatred. The administration/congress will be forced to have a huge fiscal expansion, and hopefully go direct to households and bypass the banksters and hustlers.
It is well to blame politicians of all varieties for greed and corruption, but their behavior exists because we tolerate it and vote them in. All of that coupled with a lot of emotion, noise, outright BS and misdirection they exploit. If we as a population taught children critical thinking from pre-school and and became more evidence based and rational, then indeed America could prosper in a generation from now. Unfortunately, I think many power elites would be aghast at the idea they could not sway the cognitively trained and critical thinking natives with BS. Mursenary is spot on. Reductionist labels are the resort of intellectual straw men.
Mursenary is correct, many of the "beds" are specialized and secondly beds without highly trained people that go with them are useless furniture, and when that is factored in, then it is easy to see why governments around the world clamped down, fearing hospitals being overrun. Whatever may be the case 6 months later with better data/testing and hindsight, when they started this COVID was a big black box, and they rationally made the right call. With winter coming, and clinical realities referred to, yeah, there is a big problem in the USA.
Putting aside useless entertainment franchise labels (known as political parties), the two brands in the USA (and the UK, and some others) screwed it up. Other countries devoid of the major US brands fared much better, in the case of NZ and Taiwan, over a 100 fold LOWER in per capita rates compared to UK/USA. My guess is the reasons are structural. The stats I referred to shows the USA has fewer per capita doctors and a hell of a lot more bureaucrats in hospitals, probably dealing with Byzantine insurance duplication and inefficiencies.
As for the future of the USA, Glenn Greenwald (of Snowden and other highly controversial exposes) just quit a journal, complaining that his articles about Biden family cash-for-access by Russian gangster (putting aside legal niceties) was met by official Biden silence and the mainstream and/or social media did indeed censor it. This is not a political advertisment, but an observation that the media is selective and not some priesthood of impartiality. The schism between say NPR and Fox news merely represents different tribes in their respective echo chambers.
Who ever is in control after next week faces an economic meltdown, and polarized, angry society that needs to be less shrill, more rational and focus on practical issues like liveable wages, economic opportunity, housing, nutrition, health and happiness rather than moral nonsense, idiotic slogans, race and hatred. They will be forced to have a huge fiscal expansion, and hopefully go direct and bypass the banksters and hustlers.
It is well to blame politicians of all varieties for greed and corruption, but their behaviour exists because we tolorate it and vote them in. All of that coupled with a lot of emotion, noise, outright BS and misdirection they exploit. If we as a population taught children critical thinking from pre-school and and became more evidence based and rational, then indeed America could prosper. Unfortunately, I think many power elites would be aghast at the idea they could not sway the cognitively trained and critical thinking natives with BS. Mursenary is spot on. Reductionist labels are the resort of intellectual straw men. More signal, less noise.
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US Politics anyone on the weekend before the Election?
Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.
Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990[/URL]
The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".
[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clear[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2497792]5000 didn't die because of the virus, 5000 who died did test positive for the COVID-19. That's a huge difference, Sweden would have had a lot less deaths if they counted the same way as other countries.
Americans should go vote, vote against the irresponsible and failed Democrats.[/QUOTE]Five bucks says Shoe actually lives in Sweden, Alabama.
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Sweden set their single day record with 2820 new cases on October 28. If the virus had been circulating freely in Sweden all these months, then shouldn't their single day record have been established sometime between April and September? My belief is that the Swedish have been diligently following the recommendations of their health authorities since the beginning of the pandemic. In other words, even though there was not an "official" lockdown mandate, most Swedish voluntarily limited their social contacts. To put 2820 new cases into perspective: if adjusted to USA's population, it would be the same as the USA logging 90 K new cases in a single day. But USA's single day record to date is only 82K. My prediction is the Swedish will have it under control before the Spanish, French, and Czech, because Swedish authorities just put out new recommendations:
[QUOTE]Authorities advised residents to refrain from indoor environments such as shops, malls, museums, libraries and gyms. But necessary visits to grocery stores and pharmacies can be made.
Refrain from participating in, for example, meetings, concerts, performances, sports training, matches and competitions. However, this does not apply to sports training for children and young people born in 2005 or later, officials said in a statement.
If possible, avoid having physical contact with people other than those you live with. This means, among other things, a dissuasion from arranging or participating in a party or similar social gathering.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-reports-its-highest-daily-covid-19-cases/2024003
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Well, sure sounds like Phallus Maximus is another one of Mursenary's clone accounts. Aside from that, it is too much to read. But of course it is a dangerous virus. Not to mention that 10% of the infected get long term problems it seems. But what do you know when it's a biological weapon!
I personally told a few people: 'lock the fuck down' (as I understood immediately that this was a bio weapon), and we got away with it better than the swedes. Not surprisingly in retrospect though, as anything polar opposite to the swedish model in anything is usually the best way to do things.
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Then again, I'd still take my risk in order to meet with hot sweet Romanian and Bulgarian pussy across Europe. You only live once!
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When that is said. The risk is greater for the girls than for us. So if a few of them find their ways to where I live, I'll survive for another year or two with this crap going on. Because it probably will. And just before the vaccine is out next year, it will just mutate away again. And ad nauseum!
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Bs.
I am not a clone account of Mursenary.
We happen to share the concept of scientific method, being driven by evidence and logic, which means regularly admitting error and junking any provisional hypothesis when falsified or a better hypothesis that fits the evolving evidence becomes apparent. Flush and repeat. If it were otherwise we would still be be in the stone age.
This is the opposite of politicians and social sciences that conceal, downplay or deny items that challenge pet views. Or they close down discussion, or remain silent on what bits they do not like.
We also share a love of beautiful young women, a perfectly natural thing and celebration of life. This is why this board exists. God I miss a room of hot, naked women in Germany and Austria parading around and so available. May this blight end. Until then, we must endure USA sex prison.
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This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.
All the anti-American Americans in the country.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita[/URL]
It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.
Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.
Personally, I find tremendous quality of USA Escorts in the $500-$600 an hour range. If a person reviews the Seeking Arrangement thread, there is plenty of quality described there, usually at a lower cost per hour than $500-$600 an hour, but not necessarily a lower total cash outlay given the relatively longer-term arrangements.
Now of course that is ridiculously expensive, and the same exact services can be obtained in any given foreign market for a much lower cost. Of course, the travel cost incurred by the American must be considered, unless a subsidy exists, which is often the case. Although that subsidy is rarely disclosed.
I always ask myself a most basic question. Do I earn twice as much working in the United States than I would in Canada, three or four times as much as I would working in Spain / Portugal, and ten times as much as I would working in Romania. Yes, I probably do. So should I deny the right of an American sex worker to charge that same premium over her foreign counterparts? No, I don't think I can. Of course American sex workers charging very little are skanky, but that isn't a valid comparison.
Just my opinion. But I don't see how so many guys can enjoy the benefits of living in a country with a very high per-capita income and complain about the detriments such as the high cost of living.
Same with Covid-19. If you have a job and freedom of movement, you have a relatively greater risk of catching the virus. Most of us hope that doesn't occur, obviously. But giving up earning a good living and having freedom is a big thing to give up.
You take the good with the bad and don't ***** about it, in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2497982]When that is said. The risk is greater for the girls than for us. So if a few of them find their ways to where I live, I'll survive for another year or two with this crap going on. Because it probably will. And just before the vaccine is out next year, it will just mutate away again. And ad nauseum![/QUOTE]I heard the story of the vaccine also for HIV, and do we have today?
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497987]I am not a clone account of Mursenary.[/QUOTE]Don't mind him, he's been obsessed with me since 2016. I fed a stray dog once and he followed me around for 5 city blocks! Remember the movie "Incredibles" when the little weird guy turned into a villain when his hero spurned him? It's kinda like that. A little creepy actually.
On par for the course though. Crazy conspiracy theorists tend to get intimidated when people throw real data at them.
Mr Ho accused me of being McAdonis once too. Maybe they're the same person too!
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2497993]This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.
All the anti-American Americans in the country.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita[/URL]
It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.
Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.
Personally, I find tremendous quality of USA Escorts in the $500-$600 an hour range. If a person reviews the Seeking Arrangement thread, there is plenty of quality described there, usually at a lower cost per hour than $500-$600 an hour, but not necessarily a lower total cash outlay given the relatively longer-term arrangements..[/QUOTE]For you travelling to Europe is costly and time consuming. Time is money, since many years I am saying that they are also nice girls in the US and if you calculate all the costs I am not so sure it is so cheap to go to Germany. I start to meet my first prostitute when I was 50, before I don t need to pay to have great sex, the best sex is not the sex you pay for.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497961]Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.
Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990[/URL]
The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".
[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clear[/URL][/QUOTE]What is the point of adding 2 media links that support your view on a topic on which one can find a million other links both pro and con? And BTW, your comments are far more civil no doubt than than those from shoeSwede but does not mean they are Any less rant'why. This thread is indeed aptly named.
As far as the economy goes, Trump's claims Of accomplishment are quite bogus and w / o merit. First, no one gets a pass on year 4 of a 4-year term. GWB could not say "please ignore 2008 and judge me 2001-07". Real people are having a really horrible time in 2020, and "but 2020 doesn't count" is nonsense. China grew its GDP 4% most recently. We are in deep negative GDP territory. As is most of W EU.
Secondly, the 2017-19 so called prosperity was juiced with a massive tax cut which was not paid for, and with Fed helping the POTUS with highly accommodative policy stance. The tax cuts were not paid because there was no spending cut offset. None. When it comes to spending, Trump is as bad as any Dem, or worse. On the Fed issue, he badgered Jay Powell non stop, going so far as to compare him to Xi Jinping in a tweet in 2019. Bottom line: we have increased national debt be the highest amount in a single term and Fed has used up so many bullets that if we have a massive 2nd wave and the economy goes into a tail spin, the ability of Fed to help out is hugely limited because they already did way too much. At some point, liquidity trap which normally is an academic subject becomes a real thing.
So, no! Trump's boasts on the economy are hollow. It is actually amazing that he doesn't get more push back from Biden, partly because Biden is too slow and not that smart. If someone like Paul Ryan was running against Trump, or even Romney, they would have pointed out the absurdity of Trump's claims on economic accomplishments.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2497724]I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.[/QUOTE]If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.
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Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.
And what about China? May be they done due international commerce?
The problem is not how much you earn but how much you spend. Most of the American I know have a lot of loans to pay back, they buy so many things on credit, I buy nothing on credit except real estate and if I compare with my friends I have more assets than most of them. I never bought a new car in my life but always preferred to buy a additional apartment or house, restore it and sell it again, or buying shares. Even today I drive my 15 YO Toyota land Cruiser and for sure I could buy a new one. I refuse to pay any fees for any bank, I use pre paid sim card, no company has access to my bank accounts, when I have to pay my electricity or gas. I go the post office to pay it. Last week in one of my a bank a new employee told me that he can give the VIP / Ultimate card for free, I answered that I just need the very basic one.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497658]Haha there is a name to the "Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020" and that is me. And back then you specifically advocated people w / Asian look should be banned from FKKs. I then asked if that applied to Asians who were already in Germany for a few weeks, for a few months, even years. Furthermore was it not the logical conclusion then to round up all Asians who were living in DE at that time (and in fact all western nations) and deport them to their fatherlands? You never answered that specific question, as you always dodge the direct question for obvious reasons. But if an Asian guy should be stopped at the FKK door, he is equally dangerous for the rest of the society and should be banned.
I repeatedly said "countries have full freedom to enforce visa / entry policies as they please but once a guy is allowed inside the country it is evil to enforce a differentiated policy". You can keep doing your strawman arguments Gino, but the simple reality is that you cannot have it both ways. If a guy is dangerous to the girls and guys inside a club, he is just as dangerous outside the club. Why don't you have boldness to just proclaim loudly that you wanted all Asians from Western nations to be deported in Jan / Feb, that was your desire at that time? This site allows freedom of expression god bless them, you should state what is on your mind clearly. Why by PC?[/QUOTE]Looks like you read only part of my that post you responded to, or you read it in a hurry. You may want to read it again.
Or we are writing in different versions of English that means different to you vs me.
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2497974]Sweden set their single day record with 2820 new cases on October 28. If the virus had been circulating freely in Sweden all these months, then shouldn't their single day record have been established sometime between April and September? My belief is that the Swedish have been diligently following the recommendations of their health authorities since the beginning of the pandemic. In other words, even though there was not an "official" lockdown mandate, most Swedish voluntarily limited their social contacts. To put 2820 new cases into perspective: if adjusted to USA's population, it would be the same as the USA logging 90 K new cases in a single day. But USA's single day record to date is only 82K. My prediction is the Swedish will have it under control before the Spanish, French, and Czech, because Swedish authorities just put out new recommendations:[/QUOTE]Sorry I dont believe that Sweden will keep the control of the disease, probably the numbers will skyrocket in the coming weeks, they already have 6000 deaths for 10 M, which is not better than France. We should also be aware that the life expectation for 50% of the people who survived the ventilator is 1 year.
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USA sex prison
Mongerer88: sex work is still unskilled. The price in USA is illegality=morality tax. Yes I can get some action for $300+ p / h. But there is a lot of search costs, time, cat and mouse games, code words, sneaking around and sleaziness etc that detracts from a room of immediately available naked prime young women that is sort of like what a harem must have been like. Apparently Jeffry Epstein had such a setup for himself and rich "friends" and state leaders. All it takes is a few billion, skill in money laundering/blackmail and a pal as president who can arrange visas same day. Mr Epstein, with his black book, somehow committed suicide in custody. The prison staff wrre miraculously looking elsewhere when needed, a very agreeable outcome. But not for him.
Furthermore, exotic accents, food, adventure, relaxed European notions of nudity as natural, zero hassle with cops or other BS and a change of scene and language adds to the novelty and enjoyment. It is not just a mechanical / plumbing transaction. Your graph shows that income is not a predictorID. I lived in Singapore. Geylang lor 88 offered pussy for SIN80 but I earned as much or more than USA. In a globalized economy, arbitrage is normal. USA hookers need to learn about yield management price / quantity / opportunity cost rather than the princess mindset their pussy is golden. US men need to bring competitive price tensions rather tan being price takers. USA is expensive, a hassle and carries risk. This is the only reason there is not price discovery and choice.
Long live a room of 20+ hot women under 25 parading around, available and very willing.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2497993]This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.
All the anti-American Americans in the country.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita[/URL]
It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.
Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.[/QUOTE]Compelling data graphic. On initial inspection, there seems to be strong correlation. But upon closer inspection, the data was graphed on a base 10 logarithmic scale making it appear as if countries like Romania and Switzerland shared a similar income range as compared to say Laos and Cambodia where Romania should be. Same goes for the vertical axis where countries like Germany and the USA share a similar region in per capita infection. The graph is thus a bit misleading. But it's fair to say that some degree of correlation exist between [B]extremely[/B] poor or rich countries and covid spread. What it fails to show is useful correlation when comparing the middle 80%. Why are similar GDP per capita countries such as Japan and the UK so different in infection rates? Why are Poland and so Brazil so different?
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2497993]Just my opinion. But I don't see how so many guys can enjoy the benefits of living in a country with a very high per-capita income and complain about the detriments such as the high cost of living.
Same with Covid-19. If you have a job and freedom of movement, you have a relatively greater risk of catching the virus. Most of us hope that doesn't occur, obviously. But giving up earning a good living and having freedom is a big thing to give up.
You take the good with the bad and don't ***** about it, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression that he was arguing against the political system and cultural issues. Where did cost of living come from? Singapore, Qatar, and Norway have some of the highest median incomes in the world but do you want to live under the socially oppressive Singapore government? The culture of Qatar? Or live next to the social weirdos that come out of Norway? Living in the dark half the year makes for poor social development.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2497987]I am not a clone account of Mursenary.
We happen to share the concept of scientific method, being driven by evidence and logic, which means regularly admitting error and junking any provisional hypothesis when falsified or a better hypothesis that fits the evolving evidence becomes apparent. Flush and repeat. If it were otherwise we would still be be in the stone age.
This is the opposite of politicians and social sciences that conceal, downplay or deny items that challenge pet views. Or they close down discussion, or remain silent on what bits they do not like.
We also share a love of beautiful young women, a perfectly natural thing and celebration of life. This is why this board exists. God I miss a room of hot, naked women in Germany and Austria parading around and so available. May this blight end. Until then, we must endure USA sex prison.[/QUOTE]But you cannot falsify the way your mind thinks by the words you chose. Some may be able to fake those things, but you seem like you are not able to. As opposed to Sacha Baron Cohen and Maria Bakalova for example, who are great actors.
Besides, some of these phrases you wrote there are like standardised 1st year naive university rubbish. Like what master grade students and seminar leaders refer to the youngsters as standard brainwashed ideas, and a way of thinking by the not so intelligent. And I refuse to believe there are two so similar minds here on the forum. While both also claim they are doctors. LOL.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2498042]. I lived in Singapore. Geylang lor 88 offered pussy for SIN80 [/QUOTE]Yeah OK. So since you know I have lived there, and you have googled the prices (and maybe more info as well), you still fail when it comes to the lor 88. Everything is between lor 4 and lor 36 between Geylang road and Guillermand road. Mainly between lor 8 and lor 20 in fact iirc.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2497993][URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita[/URL]
It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.
Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.[/QUOTE]That seems to be the case, but of course quite a few outliers as well: Brazil 28000 confirmed cases per million, $16000 GDP per capita. Norway 3000 confirmed cases per million, $64000 GDP per capita.
If a country has significant commerce, they probably have more funding for testing and probably have an older population. Niger is one of the poorest countries captured in the chart you provided. Median age there is 14 years old. How much GDP per capita are you going to have when half of your population is under 14 years old? Because the population is so young, if they catch C19, there is a large likelihood that they would be asymptomatic, and as such would never go to a hospital to get tested. That assumes that the hospital has funding for tests, which of course, they wouldn't.
Within Western countries, you can see a lot of disparity between confirmed cases. In USA, Blacks and Latinos seem to be two to three times more likely of contracting C19 than Whites. If blue-collar, the probability of having the opportunity to work from home is much lower. Blacks and Latinos tend to make less money, have larger families, and are clustered around cities where housing is more expensive, so that means more cramped living conditions. Also USA has less of social safety net, so blue collar workers out of economic necessity or fear of being replaced, may take more chances to report to work, even if they are showing symptoms.
Since you tied your observation to WGs: I would say that none of the WGs received money from the government when the clubs closed. And the WGs are younger. My hope is that they already contracted the virus by working most of the spring and summer and now have antibodies (no longer be spreaders). Otherwise the FKK clubs would be outbreak central.
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EU-SSR sex prison next
Well guys, second lockdown is well on it's way!
I hope all the fearmongers here will enjoy it! Thank you very much for ruining it for all of us!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2497910]You should, because you will not get too many more. BTW, why the fuck is a Swedish bloke yukking up about a country he knows nothing about? Did you pay a dime of tax in this country? I realize you may find some fraternity with the Proud Boys gang but until you pay you don't get to play. Come back to talk to us when you have a US citizenship and paid some taxes. Until then you are just a foreigner who has an opinion about American politics, which everyone in the world seems to have. Your view counts for something if you have a vote, which you don't. Thank god, because we have already enough idiots in our own country.[/QUOTE]You're a typical Democrat, a ignorant and arrogant know-it-all that knows nothing. Why do you libtards hate free speech so much? Here you are, in the German part of an international forum telling others what they are allowed to write about. If you want me to take you somewhat seriously you should have written your nonsense in usasexguide and stayed away from ISG.
I've lived in Colorado and Silicon Valley, but sure I know nothing about USA. My family and I have contributed more to the American economy than you ever will.
"The ugly American", I've never liked that expression but damn son, you're pretty much the definition of that expression.
I could call you a idiot or a moron, but I'm sure that you've already heard that a thousand times before so I will take the high road.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497901]LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally.
Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.[/QUOTE]Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.
They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!
The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.
It's amazing considering the number of deaths that they've already reached. They are the world champions and they ain't stopping, lmfao. Massachusetts are standing out, they are out for the top spot!
Considering the number of old people living in Florida I thought that they would do much worse, but the Blue states obviously can't stand the thought of a red state being number one on the list. Lmfao.
But to be completely honest, who cares? I've fucked a different hooker every week since March / April and I'm still alive. I haven't even needed to stop training because I felt sick. Au contraire, I'm healthier than ever. This virus only kills the weak and extremely unlucky who weren't smart enough to self-isolate.
The Democrats is the perfect party for people who hate White people and approve of radical Islam. Just look at those representing the party, Omar, AOC, Pressley and Tlaib.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497967]Five bucks says Shoe actually lives in Sweden, Alabama.[/QUOTE]I hope you enjoy yourself in your mother's basement.
I hold your medical "expertise" as high as Dr Albans. You should go a course in basic statistics.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2497961]Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.
Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990[/URL]
The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".
[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clear[/URL][/QUOTE]I support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2498139]I support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.[/QUOTE]Trump has a big part of responsibility if he not re-elected. For me, he was not serious in his duty, saying a lot of lies and stupidity, promising a lot of things that never happen. When you listen to Obama speeches, there is nothing comparable with Trump. For me Trump is looking many times unprepared, I remember when he left the White House during the riots, after he was alone with a bible in front of the church all this is unprofessional, also there are a lot of rumours about taxes, may be coming trials. On the other side Biden is not looking very healthy, both are too old for this very difficult job in very difficult times.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2498139]I support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.[/QUOTE]For Western Europeans, even we are friend with US, but Trump is dangerous crazy, like Erdogan in different way. Putin is less dangerous for us, even he is killing Ukraine since years. I m not a specialist of US politic, but I was amazed about Ku Klux still being so powerful in Oregon. US forgot Martin Luther King, Tommie Smith and John Carlos. What about Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Tiger Woods, Will Smith, Jay Z, Kayny West, Carl Lewis, all blond white.
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For those who had the idea to go to Austria for FKK, second lock down already put on place, how many times I wrote not to go to FKK to keep social distancing now in Europe again everything is closed. For me really a good time just because I will again earn a lot of money with shares, but what to do with my money since I drastically decreased my pay sex activities: my garage is full with classic cars).
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497901]LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally. [/QUOTE]To focus on the intital outbreaks in areas of international transfit in the Northeast while ignoring their exemplary jobs at breaking the curve afterwards is an exercise in dishonesty of the lowest order, as these testimonies contain proven strategies for controlling the pandemic. A piece of dog shit like Ted Cruz knows better, but many of the Trump cultists do not as they just swallow hook, line, and sinker whatever Trump and his media sources tell them.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2497901]Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.[/QUOTE]Yes the Trump cultists want to make it about Democrats and Republicans, but it's actually about removing a corrupt, incompetent, constantly lying conspiracy theory peddler from power. That's the first step for Repubs toward reclaiming their party.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2497980]Well, sure sounds like Phallus Maximus is another one of Mursenary's clone accounts. Aside from that, it is too much to read. But of course it is a dangerous virus. Not to mention that 10% of the infected get long term problems it seems. But what do you know when it's a biological weapon!
I personally told a few people: 'lock the fuck down' (as I understood immediately that this was a bio weapon), and we got away with it better than the swedes. Not surprisingly in retrospect though, as anything polar opposite to the swedish model in anything is usually the best way to do things.[/QUOTE]When I began posting here approximately 18 months ago, I was continuously hounded by 3 senior members at that time that I was a fake, sham, clone account; I was accused of being one of the numerous avatars of the same person, others being Gino, Tintin, some others I am forgetting. Gino and I pretty much never agree on anything, and it was a preposterous accusation. Two of those senior members tag-teamed in claiming that I was not even an American but was a Brit in fact because I used "punter" as opposed to "monger" in a comment. First of all, I think being a Brit is a cool thing, but I didn't realize I was in a forum swimming with such linguistic experts who could read my innermost persona and my exterior characteristics with such precision based on stray comments I wrote on a sex forum with less thought than I give to what flavored bagel I should eat for breakfast. In any case, since a verified passport is not required to post here, what fucking difference does it make to them if I was a Brit faking as an American? Thankfully, they ceased their horrendous campaign after a few months and now I don't even see them posting here any longer (except one).
So, I am sensitive to this charge of one member randomly accusing another of being a clone of some other member (s). I don't know how long Mursenary has been posting here, nor do I know the same about Phallus. I began noticing their comments only when I got into modest disagreements with both (funny how that works). But over time, one can see where people stand, their views on life, how they think -- at least somewhat superficially. I am 100% positive Mursenary and Phallus are not the same; if that means you will accuse me of being a clone of one of them, that is fine too but it is very obvious to anyone reading their comments and interests and other views they are very different. Phallus, I view him as being very libertarian. Pardon me if I characterized you wrong. He almost does not seem to have much interest in these political discussions and pandemic topics. He is almost similar to PolyAmorist, except PolyA has a biting sarcastic tongue and a sharp wit (not that Phallus doesn't but PolyA is clearly a talented writer). Mursenary and McAdonis often agree on many topics but most definitely not the same either. I myself am 100% positive I am not Gino. It would be like matter and antimatter coming together haha. I really love reading the views of Mongerer88, Tank Tank, and Bfsie is a very helpful gentleman.
The only ones I can think of as being clones are these Hammer / Shoe / Sobe / other assorted types. Not that I am accusing them of being actual clone accounts but the only thing they post is alt right drivel and that could come from the same bot. Far be it from me to say any such thing about other posters, but there is very little differentiation between any dozens of their posts -- "Covid is a nothingburger, masks are useless, you are all foolish unless you agree with every word I say, Trump is great, Sweden is great, vaccines suck, Fauci sucks, you have no guts, you are all pussies and wussies, blah blah" (I am sure the good people of Sweden are recoiling in horror at being lumped next to Trump in the same basket). I was also very positive that an infrequent poster called Apolloyon (something like that) was a clone account of one of the aforementioned 3 senior members that were always attacking me -- if I am correct in my suspicion it would be so ironic because their entire agenda was to "clean up" the site of any clone accounts while they probably used a clone account in that quest.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2498031]Looks like you read only part of my that post you responded to, or you read it in a hurry. You may want to read it again.
Or we are writing in different versions of English that means different to you vs me.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I did read the full essay but responded to the part of that comment that I cared to respond. Is that OK with you? You responded to my own comment by ignoring everything in there and accused me of not reading your entire response -- whereas you responded to not a single thing in my own comment.
And as usual, you skipped the actual questions in my text. That must have been the 100th time. Why did you not ask for rounding up all Asians in all the Western societies and ship them out if you felt any Asian inside any club was a mortal threat? How was that logical?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498048]Compelling data graphic. On initial inspection, there seems to be strong correlation. But upon closer inspection, the data was graphed on a base 10 logarithmic scale making it appear as if countries like Romania and Switzerland shared a similar income range as compared to say Laos and Cambodia where Romania should be. Same goes for the vertical axis where countries like Germany and the USA share a similar region in per capita infection. The graph is thus a bit misleading. But it's fair to say that some degree of correlation exist between [B]extremely[/B] poor or rich countries and covid spread. What it fails to show is useful correlation when comparing the middle 80%. Why are similar GDP per capita countries such as Japan and the UK so different in infection rates? Why are Poland and so Brazil so different?
I was under the impression that he was arguing against the political system and cultural issues. Where did cost of living come from? Singapore, Qatar, and Norway have some of the highest median incomes in the world but do you want to live under the socially oppressive Singapore government? The culture of Qatar? Or live next to the social weirdos that come out of Norway? Living in the dark half the year makes for poor social development.[/QUOTE]The second part of what I wrote was my continued bewilderment at what Phallus writes.
He started off long ago by proposing that the United States adopt an FKK system.
He has argued that public ownership of brothels would be beneficial.
And that sex workers themselves represent unskilled labor and that there prices in the USA Are artificially high.
And he argues that the political system in the United States is idiotic and a failure in virtually all regards, including with respect to Covid-19, in comparison to the systems of other countries. I believe he has argued also that the economic system in the USA Is a failure and only benefits the Elites.
So I just keep getting more and more confused, although I do believe he has some points with respect to the idiotic political system.
If the political system is idiotic, why involve it in the commercial sex trade at all? It can be argued that the current USA Environment with respect to commercial sex is one of the best examples of a free market ever. A person can contact the seller of sex directly through thousands of independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and Seeking Arrangement ads. The prices are indeed very high, but there are fewer middlemen. I don't know how one argues price distortion in that circumstance. She is selling it and the customer is buying it.
One of the primary reasons that sex is much, much less expensive in Germany, and to a lesser extent in Spain and Portugal, is the influx of Romanian imports into Germany, and from South America into Iberia. The Iberian ladies price match with their South American sisters and live in harmony. The German ladies are less inclined to do so, and when American independent escorts are compared in prices to the German independent escorts, the price difference is not as pronounced.
So the price differences between this horrible United States and Europe is heavily weighted toward importation of low-priced labor and the willingness of the government to allow large facilities where the imported labor, which he considers unskilled, to fuck a lot of guys in a relatively short period of time. When you view it in those terms, the political system in the USA Is less idiotic than he lets on. Germany is unique in its system, and I think the worldwide trend is away from its system of allowing imported sex labor to be performed at fixed location facilities.
I am not trying to disrespect it, so I simply asked him the question. If Germany, Austria and Switzerland is Nirvana, why not move there?
I was confused, and still am, as to why public investment in facilities where this supposedly unskilled labor performs its services would be beneficial. I am also confused as to why the labor is even considered unskilled. We all spend a lot of time discussing and reviewing women who provide commercial sex, so I simply don't view them as unskilled. I truly don't give a shit who picked the tomato on my sandwich, but the last lady who performed oral sex on me is truly meaningful to me. She charged a lot, but I was okay with paying the price she asked.
Personally, I think most political and economic systems work pretty damn well, and represent what the majority of the populace wants. So I don't feel the need to diss the United States in post after post. I accept things. The USA has high commercial sex prices if done in a manner that minimizes the risk of arrest. It also has a relatively high Covid-19 rate, but there is plenty of freedom and that has a price. As to it not having a lot of hospital beds, does it really owe me that?
No, neither the country nor its politicians owe me a damn thing, and neither do the women there owe me inexpensive sex. The market determines this stuff.
I don't spend my life complaining about things I can't control, which includes the price of local sex, the Covid-19 positivity rate, or who the other 330 million people vote for.
We can all try to emigrate / immigrate or whatever the word is if it becomes unbearable. But guess what, it has been my observation that there are more people trying to get into the USA Than get out of it. So I doubt that the grass is really greener on the other side. Most guys in the USA Enjoy the occasional trip to Europe, Canada, Asia, or Mexico / South America and the less expensive sex that comes with it, but when push comes to shove, few of them are looking to really leave.
And one of the reasons why, is that just like the American hookers, they get paid way more to do the same damn job in the USA Than they would outside of it. And there are a lot more everyday luxuries to enjoy in the USA Than outside of it.
So that is my rant. I wish American would quit complaining about the USA.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2498124]You're a typical Democrat, a ignorant and arrogant know-it-all that knows nothing. Why do you libtards hate free speech so much? Here you are, in the German part of an international forum telling others what they are allowed to write about. If you want me to take you somewhat seriously you should have written your nonsense in usasexguide and stayed away from ISG.
I've lived in Colorado and Silicon Valley, but sure I know nothing about USA. My family and I have contributed more to the American economy than you ever will.
"The ugly American", I've never liked that expression but damn son, you're pretty much the definition of that expression.
I could call you a idiot or a moron, but I'm sure that you've already heard that a thousand times before so I will take the high road.[/QUOTE]Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2498130]Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.
They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!
The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.[/QUOTE]Speaking of basic statistics. Why confound total seven day average deaths with per capita deaths.
In any case, care to list the 7 day average of Texas, Georgia, Florida for comparison?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2498025]If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.[/QUOTE]For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.
I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2498130]Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.
They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!
The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.[/QUOTE]Speaking of basic statistics. Why confound total seven day average deaths with per capita deaths.
In any case, care to list the current 7 day average of Texas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina for comparison? Oh right, it doesn't fit your narrative.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498216]Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in..[/QUOTE]Wow, I'm so sorry. I hope that you get the help that you need. It pains me to see that some people still suffer from serious mental health problems.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498192]The only ones I can think of as being clones are these Hammer / Shoe / Sobe / other assorted types. Not that I am accusing them of being actual clone accounts but the only thing they post is alt right drivel and that could come from the same bot.[/QUOTE]No probably not the same, but there's common denominators in IQs in the lower to mid 70's range and cheerleading for Agent Orange from some far away land.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2498212]So that is my rant. I wish American would quit complaining about the USA.[/QUOTE]I pretty much agree with most of your points.
Supply and demand is definitely the major difference in WG pricing. Europe has a much higher supply of WGs, as well as South America and SE Asia. The similarities of pricing in German WGs as compared to the American scene is noted, with the remaining price difference able to be attributed to German girls being limited by the supply of Eastern Europeans, and probably also the legal status.
With regards to comparisons and critique of the US, I know that, economically, the US has provided for a comparatively pretty easy journey. However, I must point out that when non-Trumpy Americans self criticize, we usually make comparisons to similar social-economic countries. Yes there is a net preference for immigration to the US but how much of that is from poor South and Central American populations. I believe the "city upon a hill" image of the US has eroded in the minds of many of our peers in Western and central Europe. I've even heard from the Romanian WGs numerous times, "before I want to go to America, but not anymore."
For those of us on this forum, we have been lucky to have made our lives while the US had been on the rise. What many fear and is the point of criticism and concern, which seems to become more evident every day, is that our nation is on the decline. Entry level earnings versus cost of living today just do not compute. Young Americans have to balance higher cost of living to comparatively lower income ratios in the past with the fact that Americans have to provide for a higher proportion their own healthcare and retirement without the safety net that many of our western European peers enjoy. Add in student loans for white collar and professional occupations and we have a recipe for current and future stagnation. In the past, we have benefited greatly from the immigration of foreign professionals and white collar workers but our current declining standard of living with increasing cost will stifle that. What remains is the blue collar jobs cash grab by immigrants from poor countries. We still have the best university system in the world to attract the best and brightest, but I fear that with the current declining situation, a higher proportion of talent will just complete their training and move right back to their own nations.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498216]Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in.[/QUOTE]At least he's got the lingo down, "libtards," etc. So once he jumps the border he can hit the ground running. Plus he can pick up a Maga hat off Ebay for a dollar or two if he doesn't manage to catch one at a rally.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498229]For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.
I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.[/QUOTE]They went to France to benefit from the number 1 social system in the World. They don't need to work to live in a decent apartment. If France will cut all the social benefits very few migrants will come to France. Same happen in Belgium. There is also the past colonial history of France, for example most of Moroccan have bi nationality. Since 1970 the families have the right to live together that leads to 390000 legal migrants in 2019 + probably illegal migrants around 200000 and all this for decades. Today you must have 10 millions Muslim in France (65 M) the highest ratio in Europe, with less on less integration. But we don t need to worry about all this, it is too late the numbers and the demography are simply making the difference. Most of the French people are extremely concerned about their future in France and 200000 (the richest) are leaving every year. We import poor migrants and export the rich how do you want this to work. With the covid the things are getting worse and worse and when the ECB will start to reduce the quantitative easing (will happen sooner or late) France, Italy, Spain. Will bankrupt, end of the Europe.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498192]But over time, one can see where people stand, their views on life, how they think -- at least somewhat superficially. I am 100% positive Mursenary and Phallus are not the same; if that means you will accuse me of being a clone of one of them, that is fine too but it is very obvious to anyone reading their comments and interests and other views they are very different.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Seems obvious to anyone who approaches with objectivity. Leave it to a conspiracy theorist to only cling to catch words and rely on partial understanding rather than complete comprehension. They lack mental discipline and perhaps even ability to integrate details.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498229]If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of[/QUOTE]Dude, those are pretty Hitler / Trumpish words. Barbarians? Round up? Jewish-Germans and Japanese-Americans were also round up. Never heard such hate speech from you before. Pretty disappointing.
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A big part of this rise was so easy to achieve by switching the productions facilities to China mostly, by doing that the US created very strong competitors, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi. Were all suppliers for Apple at the beginning, same for the wind industry, for the telecom, for the batteries. Like for other subjects now it is too late for the US probably they will become number 2 very fast if not already done. China have hugely invested in infrastructures (airports, highways, trains) over the last 20 years, in the US the infrastructures like highways, high speed trains. Are terrible, also the school system is a disaster, without speaking about the healthcare, on top of that the new President will be a old guy probably not able to change the things to seriously come back in the race against China.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2497783]If letting half French population getting infected, when nobody is sure about immunity after, some were infected twice, then French doctors plan for about 400000 deaths, when we have around 40000 which is already too many, when Sweden and Stockholm have one of the highest rate, when they kill many old people, when 85% of our dead in France are over 70 yo, when NL prefer to confine now for this second wave when they didn t for first. So, confine in Bavaria, again in France and they should extend to at least 6 weeks for us. Job was more complicated about safety since mid March and will be more and more complicated. Wish can ski for Christmas, when climbed for 5 months and wish for last one tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus!
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At least I enjoyed my GT Vienna discovery. I was happy to find Anita, Daniela twin, and to respect my promise from Bruggen, more than 1 year after. Coralia was fresh look and sweet GFE and had rare, bloody beyond her taboos experience with wow aura on that night Iranian. 3 girls on a day and could go with more, long time didn't happen. Not so impressive on mid August with not same aura for Iranian. Vienna seem a wonderful town to live.
Like do Michael Jordan, Lebron James or Ariana Grande, giving money to pay fines for some US people, then they are allowed to vote for their country, their future, why don't you give your too much money to poor, when billion of poor in China.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2498235]No probably not the same, but there's common denominators in IQs in the lower to mid 70's range and cheerleading for Agent Orange from some far away land.[/QUOTE]You're pretty much the poster boy of low IQ.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2498130]The Democrats is the perfect party for people who hate White people and approve of radical Islam. Just look at those representing the party, Omar, AOC, Pressley and Tlaib.[/QUOTE]Sad but true. The best way to get rid of racism in my views is through sex with other nationals. However, then I have come to realize that a new problem have arisen:
People with extremely tiny penises who feel they are unable to have sex all the time will start not feeling the pussy of the girls. And thus, they resort to racism anyway.
So even if we do try to curve racism through our hobbies, the tiny willy syndrome is perhaps the world's biggest problem.
So instead of China (or Kazakhstan) creating a bio weapon in order to kill more men than women to even out the sex gap so they get more pussy around the world themselves, what if the chinese had instead spent trillions into developing gene drives in order to give themselves larger penises?
You can give me the Nobel peace prize already for this idea by the way.
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Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2498340]Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.[/QUOTE]So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.
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The US elections are just theatre, just like "bread and games" as they used to say in Rome.
Anyone who thinks that one party will significantly change things is seriously deluded. In the end all those politicians care for is more power, and more money for themselves and their cronies.
What it's really about: [URL]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/[/URL].
This is not me or some "conspiracy theorist" saying this. This comes straight from the WEF man himself: Klaus Schwab.
Soon the EU-SSR will be a similar sex prison as the USSA. The sheeple will be vaxxed ("for your health") and chipped ("for your own safety") and we'll enter a cashless planned economy. No legal P6 or FKK club will be able to survive in such an environment, because they will not be able to survive on the handful of idiots who want to be vaxxed and have no problem surrendering their privacy by having all financial transactions registered. The only way P6 will "survive" is by barter and on a secret and small scale.
Thank you fearmongers! I hope you will be happy in this combination of Nineteen Eighty-Four and Brave New World.
P.S. Where are the massive number of Covid1984 deaths in this "second wave?" Where are they, in Sweden, or in Africa? They only "exist" in the propaganda minds of the brainwashing mainstream media.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2498340]Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.[/QUOTE]That is what I pointed out that a year ago or so when I was arguing with Takedown that he uses multiple accounts praising one another, but it is him praising himself LOL.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2498281]Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus![/QUOTE]The national sport for many Latin countries including France is not to see what each individual can do to protect himself and the others but how to bypass the restrictions. For example the people from Annemasse a French city near Switzerland will not respect the curfew just to spend some hours in Switzerland, and so many other example like that. For all those Europeans countries the morning call will be terrible when the ECB will say end of party with the QE, and than the very negative spiral of debts, bankruptcies, unemployment, incapacity to pay back the loans, social riots, will lead to year of problems without any solution as the global degradation in the benefit of mostly Asian countries. All this is already on is way, with the probable decline of the USD, and the increase of the Asian currencies.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2498340]Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.[/QUOTE]Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2498265]A big part of this rise was so easy to achieve by switching the productions facilities to China mostly, by doing that the US created very strong competitors, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi. Were all suppliers for Apple at the beginning, same for the wind industry, for the telecom, for the batteries. Like for other subjects now it is too late for the US probably they will become number 2 very fast if not already done. China have hugely invested in infrastructures (airports, highways, trains) over the last 20 years, in the US the infrastructures like highways, high speed trains. Are terrible, also the school system is a disaster, without speaking about the healthcare, on top of that the new President will be a old guy probably not able to change the things to seriously come back in the race against China.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Biden looks somewhat shaky. What were the Democrats thinking?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498258]Dude, those are pretty Hitler / Trumpish words. Barbarians? Round up? Jewish-Germans and Japanese-Americans were also round up. Never heard such hate speech from you before. Pretty disappointing.[/QUOTE]You may be right. I don't deny that I have my own biases. Everyone has them, I have mine- in my case it is the Moslem terrorists and the commie Chinese government. Pretty sure some of my friends in my personal life are turned off by my stances and rhetoric, but it is what it is.
Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration. The reality is that it will not happen. But it is what gives rise to the Trumpian forces too: they see the hypocrisy of these Islamic nations.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2498340]Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I don't know TakeDown, was before my time or at least I didn't get into any disagreements with him to remember LOL. Yes it is obvious McAdonis and Mursenary are different. For one, McAdonis writes much more authoritatively on social science topics and that is his forte. Mursenary clearly likes health science discussions. Just my observation.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2498440]Yeah, Biden looks somewhat shaky. What were the Democrats thinking?[/QUOTE]They needed a milquetoast who would not be offensive to the middle. The thing is that most people always react to past negative outcomes. Dems took Hillary defeat to heart and the lesson they learned is that she was hated by many and was not appealing to the middle. So, they came up with a guy who in their minds would turn off the least numbers in the middle and yet not depress the vote on the left most side. A moderate like Buttigieg would not excite the left and Bernie would turn off the middle. So, Biden was a compromise.
US voting population is a constantly shifting mass. We elect a single guy at the top but we have a thousand mini blocks. Alliances and coalitions are always forming, shifting, breaking up and new ones forming. In the moment, it does not appear that way but seen over decades the patterns are amazing. For example, South used to be very Dem supporting but in the last 60 years it has become almost entirely GOP monopoly. West Coast was not this liberal even 20 to 30 years ago. NY had d'Amato as the senator who was a modest right winger for his day. Georgia had Sam Nunn and Alabama had Howell Heflin, and ofc Bill Clinton was from Arkansas. Now, things are shifting again, and after 2/3 decades of being deep red, GA is almost neutral. On a demographic basis, WHites have been shrinking as percent of population and of voters which drive a lot of anxieties. The prosperity of last 50 years benefited a small sliver disproportionately. Rise of China has depressed wages and net worth for a lot of people. Manufacturing jobs have become scarce. In the 60's /70's even high school grads could expect to become solidly middle class with a house, a car, kids in school and perhaps even college. Now, that is a pipedream. The thing is that free trade supporting Republicans from Northeast and West Coast were anti Union and recited the trickle down mantra but that supposed trickling did not happen, at least not enough. Unions shrank, and with GOP leading the charge against Unions to a large extent. In an ironic way, when the unions splintered (at least for the purpose of voting at national level), the splinters coalesced on ethnic lines. The non college ex Union White is one of the strongest supporting blocks of GOP now, which was the exact opposite situation 30 years ago. Meanwhile, college educated whites became more of a fiscal conservative / social liberal types and are split 50/50 or 55/45 and sometimes support Dems and sometimes support GOP. Not to mention, the gender disparity with women in every group supporting Dems and men supporting GOP. They were always supposed to be mommy and daddy party and that has not changed all that much.
So, this is always a tightrope walk for both parties. When they have a winner, they fall behind even if they have disagreements. People marvel at how strong is Trump's support despite all the things MSM sees negatively in him. But FDR said once of Somoza "he is a SoB but he is our SoB" -- when your guy is in power, you don't question him or backstab him. If Trump loses, I expect there will be a lot of introspection and another round of shifting coalitions. The challenger always has the tougher task of putting together an acceptable candidate that appeals to both the extremes and the middle -- until they win, in which case the other side will do it. I have a thousand friends who hate Trump's personal conduct and even policy positions but will never ever vote Dem. These are very moderate, very family oriented, normal people who do not talk / behave / do anything like Trump in real life and yet will vote for him because they will always vote GOP. Some have flipped, but only a few. On the other hand, I also know blue collar people I knew growing up, from my parents' town who did not do well in life and who used to vote Dem and now are solidly GOP. They love Trump, personally. I can't understand them and for the most part it is an uneasy conversation. In fact, politics has become so poisonous we hardly talk at even dinner tables, especially extended family dinners like Christmas and Thanksgiving.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498229]For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries.[/QUOTE]Actually that's not 100 % true. Some of them came because of the former french colonization of North Africa (which was clearly not a good idea), the harkis for example came to France because they were supportive of the french colonization of Algeria and if they had stayed, they would be dead (slit throat and so on).
But I agree with you, if some prick is offended because of funny cartoons, he should move to a place where those cartoons are banned (incidentally these countries are all dictatorships and most of the population live in misery). The problem is that some Muslims in France want to import their lost way of life (oppression of women, glorification of young men) in my country, instead of moving their hairy asses back to their country of origin.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2498212]If the political system is idiotic, why involve it in the commercial sex trade at all? It can be argued that the current USA Environment with respect to commercial sex is one of the best examples of a free market ever. A person can contact the seller of sex directly through thousands of independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and Seeking Arrangement ads. The prices are indeed very high, but there are fewer middlemen. I don't know how one argues price distortion in that circumstance. She is selling it and the customer is buying it.[/QUOTE]We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.
But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?
And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2498212]Personally, I think most political and economic systems work pretty damn well, and represent what the majority of the populace wants. So I don't feel the need to diss the United States in post after post. I accept things. The USA has high commercial sex prices if done in a manner that minimizes the risk of arrest. It also has a relatively high Covid-19 rate, but there is plenty of freedom and that has a price. As to it not having a lot of hospital beds, does it really owe me that?[/QUOTE]Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.
Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2498281]Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus![/QUOTE]You are really a funny guy.
So we close everything, restaurant, hairdresser, shops, sports, college, university, travels, factories, dentists, brothels of course! And so on.
I suggest we follow Mr Ho's advice, we just wake up and spend all our time on Internet. LOL!
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2498281]Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus![/QUOTE]I made so many highest quality tests on this Summer on my climbings, last on Sunday 25 October, climbing Col Agnel 2744 meters high, 3 degrees on top, snow on road which was closed but not for me on my bicycle. Anthology day, best test, who could climb this with covid? After so many brothels visits and escorts.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2498024]How lucky you are to session no pro students. I remember the time when the girls just arrived by bus from Bucharest and begin few days or hours later in World or Oase. It was the best time for me, unfortunately this job changes very quickly most of the girls even the face. Since 2016 it is very difficult to find fresh, natural beauties in FKK.[/QUOTE]If you look carefully his profile here, he never shared any experiences with girls here on forum.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498450]You may be right. I don't deny that I have my own biases. Everyone has them, I have mine- in my case it is the Moslem terrorists and the commie Chinese government. Pretty sure some of my friends in my personal life are turned off by my stances and rhetoric, but it is what it is.
Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration. The reality is that it will not happen. But it is what gives rise to the Trumpian forces too: they see the hypocrisy of these Islamic nations.[/QUOTE]You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.
Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2497724]I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.[/QUOTE]You really should inform yourself before writing. This Tunisian who is from a country which is close for culture to France, arrived in Lampedusa Italian island on September and was refused to stay in Italy, then he entered in France illegally on beginning of October, to kill 2 women and a priest in a church 3 weeks later. Immigrant? Terrorist for sure. Ask Tchetchen who cut a teacher head parents about what they think about their son who asked asylum to France which welcome him, action, do they prefer to return to misery in Tchetcheny? I m pretty sure they don't want, they prefer France. Most of Imans in France support freedom in France, only few integrists want to kill, not even respecting Coran. Muslim Balkanian parents shaved their daughter head because she was in love for a Christian Serbian, poor girl, her parents were sent off France, but what will she become after such traumatism? Many muslims in France and I m pretty sure most prefer to live in France rather than returning to their origins level of life, even when born in France, when so many Germans, UK, NL, Belgium, prefer to live with french quality of life rather than in their own country, Germany can't compete with France for quality of life, except rich Bavaria and south Germany. Better to know a bit, and yes, France is land of freedom, no other country can compete for this, maybe why number 1 for tourism, also because of our rich culture. I m happy to see real artist superstar Stevie Wonder supporting Biden, wish Black won't be shot anymore for nothing.
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The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2498340]Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.
He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.[/QUOTE]And also escape artist? Some guys use several profiles, fakers for me, when only one me.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498509]We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.
But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?
And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment..[/QUOTE]You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.
A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.
You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.
I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.
One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.
And I don’t understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498538]You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.
Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.[/QUOTE]Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.
It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.
The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.
I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.
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Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " égorgés les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2498025]If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.[/QUOTE]That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most sane peoples' minds. No fair-minded, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated! Sadly, there are many sell out, psychotic, self loathing, and traitorous individuals who would argue otherwise.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498509]We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.
But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?
And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.
Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.
Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about.[/QUOTE]"Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that American women love the most".
You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.
Isn't the point to accept the situation, accept that you are not going to change the world and make everyone see your point of view, but adapt to the surroundings and make use of the resource (which SA is. To me and many others), rather than condemn it? Granted, SA may not work for everyone. But that means there is mismatch between your needs and the resource. Find another resource that suits you instead of condemning the entire society and country.
"Arrest is nothing. . Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state."
I assume these are things you imagine would happen, and did not actually happen to you. Or did they?
You know someone personally that went through the above? If not first hand info, please tell me what you wrote above is at least 2nd hand info.
I don't see that M88 has praised America as a paradise. He is saying US has pluses and minuses. He is a pragmatic man, he knows he will not change this world but is making the best life for himself as he sees fit (I guess; I don't know him personally, I never exchanged any PMs with him).
This is a country that provides a high standard of living to many. The P6 you speak of: you are able to afford the money because you are making it here. You could be based in Spain, prostitution is legal, but you might make much less money to actually enjoy it.
To claim US is a police state because your mongering activities are curtailed is absurd. Last I checked, mongering is not a fundamental right enshrined in first amendment.
I Googled and prostitution is legal in Colombia, Equador, many others. Hardly anyone thinks drug infested LatAm countries like those are beacons of liberty and US is a police state. And would you be better off being born in those countries as opposed to here, being located there now?
There are many genuinely oppressive police states; to trivialize them by calling US a police state is an extreme.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2498025]If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.[/QUOTE]Just because they make their living in France, social benefits are the highest in the world, beginning of the months when the French government pays the social benefits so many bank transfers are taking place to Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and a lot of other African countries. Of course no migrant is targeting Poland, or Hungary, or Romania they know they will get 0 social benefits. It is a industry. I left France several years back and I will never come back.
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[QUOTE=SinglePro;2498571]That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most people mind. No sane, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated![/QUOTE]I would have said narrow minded people.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2498563]You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.
A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.
You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.
I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.
One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.
And I dont understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?[/QUOTE]Absolutely nothing personal. I admit, I write this because I am frustrated. Married and working 100% from home just like Pessimist describes.
But it looks like you defending points without evidence. Let's just say commercial sex for a serial monger is pretty miserable in the US. And, by the way, why US is not on the ISG forum list? And why North Korea isn't on that list, either? Hmmm.
I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498545] I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."[/QUOTE]I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498378]So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.[/QUOTE]Not when you were the one starting the whole multiple nick drama in the first place. Then it is on topic.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2498439]Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.[/QUOTE]Well, he is a would be doctor nurse and believes in everything fed through main stream channels. So as long as us working with communication wants people to be scared of covid-19, he'll stick around in the sex prison known as USA.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498545]The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."[/QUOTE]LOL, no high school drama right? And by this very comment you even declare that my last post was 100% spot on. Not even an attempt to hide it.
It is funny though with Evita and you. You seem to hear thing she is not saying, and avoid hearing what she is saying. Like the one time she told us straight up that she hunted Asians only because it was easy money and less work on her pussy.
Or the two different Oase girls who came up to me and told me what a tiny penis this Thai Chinese guy had. Then tried to show me by measuring 4-5 cm with their fingers.
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[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2498531]If you look carefully his profile here, he never shared any experiences with girls here on forum.[/QUOTE]I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.
However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2498567]Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " gorgs les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]600,000 is not correct. It's closer to 300,000 for 2019 according to this Wiki article:[URL]https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_en_France[/URL] . Where is the source for 200,000 educated and wealthy French people leaving France? I looked around and found a figure of 60,000-80,000 people leaving France each year back from a 2014 article:[URL]https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20150414.OBS7159/la-france-tu-l-aimes-mais-tu-la-quittes.html[/URL].
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And his big goal in life is to try and get back on white people for having had so much sex with all his Thai cousins. So much so that their vaginus has expanded beyond his own willy's capability.
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And I can understand him I suppose given all the wild great memories I have from having sex with Chinese and Thai girls in Macau / Chongping / bkk / Pattaya / Phuket where the girls wanted to marry me without me ever giving them any money. They even wanted to work for me and pay my expenses if they could only have a good sized dick filling them up every night. Expansion beyond what Asian men were able to deliver them.
At 18 sauna I was famous among the girls and even created a conflict between the Viet and Chinese girls because they had never seen a dick longer than 12 cm before, and mine was closer to 20. Just imagine what these stories does to Chinese / SE Asian men.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498585]I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Have you ever met a prostitute, offered her money, and she rebuffed you "huh, what do you think I am not a prostitute!
If a girl is a prostitute and she knows she is one, she will say so and take your money. The only discussion you will have is re: details & negotiation. She will not sit there arguing with you that she is not a prostitute, not for days and weeks anyway.
I see this compulsion to label SA girls as prostitutes on the part of mongers here. There must be an arrogance "if I give her money, she better be prepared to be called a prostitute, how dare she!" (I am not at all saying you have it, but I have seen it expressed explicitly in those words by a few guys here).
I don't know why we are stuck up on labels. If you are not prepared to deal with the efforts needed and other work that has to be put in finding good sugar babes, that is fine. It is most definitely an effort. But to disdain the whole thing w / o knowing what it is and dismiss with a false characterization is not logical. I have had several dozens of very satisfying arrangements from that site. But I also had to put in a lot of effort, got turned down by dozens of girls but also accepted by many. And that is the other thing. Girls reject you not because the money is not to their liking but because you are not physically their type. One of the prettiest girls I met from that site rejected me at first, told me I am not attractive enough for her. I took it in my stride, kept chatting to her regularly, she eventually agreed to meet for a lunch date and soon after we had sex and to this day, that arrangement was one of my best ever. Persistence absolutely paid off in that instance. How often do prostitutes reject mongers because they are not attractive enough? When you have a good arrangement, it feels awesome. BTW, I need to gently correct M88: $500-600 is way too high. I have had several arrangements in which I paid 200 to 300, even exactly 200 (and I have seldom paid more than 350 ever) and yet spent a couple of hours on sex alone, not to mention more time in movies, dinner dates etc. On a per hour basis, SA is actually cheaper than FKK especially the recent Artemis rip-off prices; not to mention I don't need to pay flight, no need to take a week off, no need for all the other expenses. I wrote this recently in the SA thread as well. Earlier in the year prior to the pandemic, I spent 3 or 4 dates with a 20 year old Latina girl, one of them in a matinee movie. It had nice reclining chairs, almost like full beds, and we spent more than the half movie making out in the back row. And I still had not given any money to her yet. Later we did have sex and she asked for $150 gift (it was her first arrangement and she had no idea how much to ask). I gave her a bit more and felt lousy afterwards because she deserved at least $250 given the number of hours she spent with me. I was a cheap bastard. I still have her number as I do of several prior arrangements. If and when Covid feels a bit better, I will resume all those relationships. I know many of them are hurting for money and would love to meet and receive some help in return.
There is a thread with lots of detailed reports and info. Not a plug, I am not the owner of that thread. But the freelance sugarbabe type relationship is here to stay in my view. Not Easy for LE to control it because I don't mention sex in any of my communications with the girl, ever. It is understood.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498564]Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.
It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.
The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.
I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pessimist;2490545]I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.[/QUOTE]Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.
You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.
You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east.
If voicing out against the unapologetic bigotry of mass deportation is pompous then well, we've established pretty low bar. My hope and inclination is that you don't actually feel that way towards the majority of Muslims who have no part in this; but rather, this is just an example of poor emotional control. But faced with a real human in front you, my bet is that you wouldn't dare utter those ridiculous words.
But I see you bud. Out here fake intellecting and all.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2498599]I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.[/QUOTE]I've met both. Very similar in their delusions of grandeur.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498585]So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.[/QUOTE]LOL. As a 38 year old man out here still trying to score early 20's civilian chicks, I come across that here and there and have the same thoughts. Once I jokingly asked a stripper if she was a prostitute after she suggested that I buy her $500 sneakers and she was actually offended.
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[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2498579]I would have said narrow minded people.[/QUOTE]Nativism and nationalism has taken root bro. Crazy bleeding heart, feel good libs asking for too much and threatened, short-sighted, beta male nativists on the other side.
Many references to "acting out of fear" on this and numerous boards. The most prominent fear-fueled reactions that I've seen over the past several years is the fear of traditional folks being uprooted by competition. I saw the intimidation of backwards people acting out of fear when confronted by hard working immigrants or the same people being intimidated by big black cocks fucking "their" women.
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Sheesh
Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.
Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.
It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.
SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.
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Smoke light
Well put. Hookers pretending to be "regular girls" needing some extra allowance. Waddles, quacks, looks like a duck and I know one when I see it.
If there is a safe, no hassle, no game playing, no up-sell, tips or other lack of transparency, sign me up!
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I'm not a specialist of Coran, but I know what huge majority of Muslims and most of Imans say, they don't support these murderers, they say: this is not our religion to do this, and I'm pretty sure most prefer to keep on living in France. I was born, studied, always lived and worked in Paris and around, I don't plan to leave my boat, I will just go in my beloved mountains when I can finish to work, but can t yet. For sure, France is land of free mind like me, like Charlie who never criticized the religion. I only know Italy to compete for quality of life, Spain being third. Tourism figures talk when small France is number 1, with Paris number 1 before NYC, LA, Rio. I think Italy number 2 and Spain number 4. Where people like to go to enjoy their free like freedom time. So many Western Europeans prefer to live in small France with rich culture, good foods, best wines, rather than in their sad country, even I love London. Only Saint Petersburg, Roma, Firenze, Barcelona and maybe Vienna can compete with Paris for me. For sure, all the world know about freedom to think in China, when Chinese are scared of their government.
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Sorry they are not claiming they are, so for you they act like the Christians 700 hundred back nice progress of the civilization. Advice you to go to Miami, Detroit, Chicago by night to see if really the police, the justice is doing the job by allowing such kind of things. Today how many 10 years old children can not speak or write fluently English, it is the same in France. Such like the justice the education is far too permissive which lead to the poorer getting from far more criminals, the widening of the segregation of the population, and the difficulty for the poor children to access to well paid jobs. The middle and high class always find a way to bring their children to good school and later to get good jobs. The solution is not to fuck a prostitute buck to make yourself attractive enough that girls want to date you. I never paid for sex before I was 45 and I advice every one to do the same.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2498716]Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.
Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.
It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.
SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.[/QUOTE]Wow. What a rant indeed! You seem to have a vendetta against SA. Since you bring, is your bitterness against SA "data driven" as you put it or is it uninformed bias as is the rest of your comment? There are many sites and resources that I try out, and if I don't like them or find them useful I move on but I seldom have the type of bitterness about them that you are exhibiting. You almost sound like you want to get back at SA and perhaps even all sugarbabe sites out of resentment.
It is simple: if the site is useless and all the girls are skanks and ripoffs, then there would not be a large number of men paying $80 a month to stay on it presumably? Guys who pay that much have a better idea whether it is worth it or not, far more than a foul mouthed bitter person ranting about it on ISG perhaps?
And what's up with phuck? This is one of the few sites where you can say fuck w / o your comment getting moderated out. Are you trying to come up with an alternative language and spelling because you have had it with America and English language?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498564]
It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.
[/QUOTE]Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.
BTW,
Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2498805]Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.
BTW,
Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.[/QUOTE]Thank you Mr. Ararat! I was not aware of the meaning of his name; we learn something new every day.
On a side note / rant: some guys here (not all, but a few) have the mindset that prostitution is a god given right and every society should provide FKK style access to prostitution at extremely affordable prices with better than adequate services provided by attractive 20 something girls in every city and town or else it deserves to be called a police state.
The reality is that in all of human history, such FKKs have existing for a couple of decades in a single country; and of course some countries have provided access to legalized prostitution for a bit longer albeit not in as attractive settings as FKKs. I am not an expert on Brazil / Thailand, and leave it to The Cane and others who are very knowledgeable there.
But does it mean a society's status as a police state is solely based on access to affordable / legal / widespread / prostitution at every nook and corner? Sweden does not have it, and it is no one's idea of a police state.
This link below has some data. Did not verify their classifications myself. Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Hungary (Orban), Bangladesh, India, yadda yadda all have it legal. I guess our single-axis definers would then define them as free states. US is classified as having limited legal, along with JP, UK, Australia, France. Presumably all of them are also police states? I will leave it to our "data driven master".
[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal[/URL]
Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?
I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.
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Sad day!
It's a sad day today!
Europe is pretty much locked down now for the stupid virus, really sad day for us mongers.
And shops are boarding up all over the USA to prevent post-election lootings. Very sad day for Americans, never imagined that USA could go this low.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498663]Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.
You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.
You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east..[/QUOTE]That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).
As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?
To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2498638]I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.
However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.[/QUOTE]Why do ask again why?
I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.
But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498813]
Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?
I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I find it very annoying with some people who think it's their right to visit prositutes even during a pandemic. This isn't even on my radar of things to complain about.
We are all here so I'd think we could all expect some common courtesy that nobody's against prostitution on the forum but some of us can see how little it means to the vast majority of people. Besides, I find that it meant a whole lot less to me than I thought. Once my foreign business trips dried up and the opportunity to monger did too I realized I haven't actually missed the clubs the entire summer. It's not until about now I started to think about it. The lack of travel on the other hand or the restrictions (and even then Sweden have virtually none compared to many other countries) or the fact that my employer is in a bad mood right now. These are the things that bother me.
Not that I can't get a BBBJ from a Romanian in Sharks or World.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498572]You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.[/QUOTE]No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.
It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498885]That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).[/QUOTE]Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp[/URL]
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php[/URL]
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498885]As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. [/QUOTE]Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.
First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?
Anyway, last time I checked my passport said "United States of America. " But perhaps you are one of those people who ask, "but where are you really from?" and don't accept non-white people as being truly American. Actually, that mindset matches your deportation statement. Yep, checks out. I'll recognize that you have made many knowledgeable points in previous posts but man, after reading your thought process on race, religion, and nationality, it's apparent that your socio-cultural IQ is garbage.
Side note, my recommendation is to not hitch your wagon to Piston's devil tongue as I've learned a bit too late that honesty is not one of his strong suits. But hey, I'll leave the judgement of character to your own devices. Tread carefully.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498885]As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pessimist;2498229]For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.
I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.[/QUOTE]I don't see where you delineate the difference between the violent extremists and peaceful Muslims. Actually, the deportation comment came directly after you mentioned the majority lot. Is it your poor writing? Or is it my third grade reading level? I dunno, you look a little closer.
As for GT, I would say that they should change their door policy. I have racist friends and family and recognize their flaws, does not mean they are worthless associations. I'm pretty sure despite your hatemonger statements, you have some good qualities too.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498885]To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure I've just mentioned my profession in relation to coronavirus topics. If that means pulling rank, then yes, I do feel that I know more about that topic than the rest of the posters here. If that makes you or anyone else insecure, I'm not sure how to solve that problem for you guys. Go get a medical degree? Become a nurse? Maybe just paramedic school?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498946]Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.
[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp[/URL]
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php[/URL]
Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.
First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?.[/QUOTE]Oh fuck off. First off all, in my view it is far more likely that you are more of a researcher in health sciences area than being an actual physician. I have enough doctors in my family to know one when I see one. From Pistons comment it appears he actually met you and hence there may be a lot of truth to his comments and observations. As for being insecure. My wife and I have paid 200 grand taxes annually for 10 years and nearer to 250 for the last 5; we pay 60 grand tuition annually for our kids' private schools alone, far more than most people pay here for mongering. My partners and I created some well paying jobs for a handful of people, yes even a couple of minorities; I have done more than my bit for society; the last thing I will ever be in this life anymore is to be financially insecure, especially in the presence of a pompous fool like you.
Now I get what others have said about you that you keep changing your avatars because you are always being nasty and probably get kicked off the site. It appears that being a race warrior is your hobby horse; I have no idea if you got bullied for being Asian when you were in grade school and taking it out on White FKK WGs and anonymous members on ISG, but your accusations are wasted.
For the last 6 months, I have been waging a lone battle against Gino right here about discriminatory admission policies that related too Asians like you. You have no idea who I am, what I have been etc but throw random race accusations because you have anger management issues. *If I were as dense as you* I would have said you are siding with the throat slitters and beheaders and you are an Islamic terrorist sympathizer. Whatever you are will not make the least difference to me because more than anything else you appear to be a resentful, self-righteous, pseudo-PC race warrior who is also a huge hypocrite when it suits him and frequents discriminatory clubs and then comes and lectures the rest of us.
Anyway, I am sure you will come up more asinine kitchen sink accusations, and that is fine with me. Enough time wasted on a troll like you; bye.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498946]Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you[/QUOTE]Little green light. 5 bucks says Pessimist is writing another emotional diatribe that ignores points that he knows is indefensible.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498943]No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.
It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.[/QUOTE]That is fine, and sorry I didn't mean to have a harsh tone. I thought Phallus' post was unnecessarily combative but I thought you were a bit like me: looking for some pay and play opportunities. You did mention you are open to mongering options in the US. One of the reasons I prefer SA is because you can control the dialog end to end and abort anytime if things don't smell right.
Whether you want to be on SA or not is your choice obviously but perhaps you might want to read up on the ISG thread. Even your comment above ("The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much") has a lot of misconceptions in my view. I have written lengthy notes about how things work on SA in the dedicated thread, others have too, and it is not productive to repeat any of that. A simple reading will suffice and if you have any more questions, we can discuss then. But in my view, SA feels a lot more secure than escort sites, although M88 might not agree. Perhaps it is a question of personal preference.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2498806]Covid has me holed up in my home country. Some weeks ago I sessioned an escort who is as beautiful as the average hot FKK girl. Her problem is that she apparently burns the candle at both ends and appears to not take care of her health (probably eats lots of junk food) and does not get enough sleep. She is very much in demand and so far I have had many encounters with her. Unusually for me each session I have had with her has been better than the previous one. The last one I had last week was phenomenal. Is this because of not being able to bang hot FKK girls and getting accustomed to US hookers? I find myself requesting her time and again. I am going to call for her again today.[/QUOTE]If demand is so high and escort do exist in USA, then I wonder why no supplier supply it properly in business mind nation like USA! I hope there is Larryflynt for prostitution industry soon for the sake and comfort of you guys! Someone need to break the ice as even though law is grey, there is people doing it, so only thing they need is to improve the quality and so many immigrants in USA, so talents are there for sure! Or do it by border on the side of Mexico!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2498934]Today, met a Russian escort from Peter, disappointed by her face, I would not have gone with her in brothels, but she kissed me like she was really in love, with sweetness and tenderness, had to stop her but real enjoyment, reminded me Daria at LR who asked me to bring her a photo of me, and now, have no more climbing highest test, but I think I win for pleasure versus China and I won't buy any of their tests nor vaccines in future, their quality is not reliable enough.[/QUOTE]I agree that Chinese communist party was responsible for the spread of virus by hiding the information even arresting a Chinese doctor who first raised voice about the virus (he later died), but for very high spread in Europe is due to people doing whatever they want during pandemic.
Look, government tell you to wear mask, people gather together and protest! Government tell you to stay home, people gather and protest! Government tell you to stay home, people gather to protest, government declare lock down, people gather together to have a last big party before the lock down LOL! I mean what do you think going to happen? Very high infection rate and high death rates, the death of people who did not need to die if there was some discipline in society!
Also I would say during summer, people in Europe was doing whatever they wanted as if virus is not there, going to places, holiday etc., so again what do you think is the result of this? High infection rate and death of innocent people who did not need to die.
Based on this above fact and it is hard to control people in Europe, I begin to think Swedish model may suit European mentality the best! European people cannot refrain themselves from doing things they want to do, so you might as well install Swedish model of trying to get immune to the virus by paying high price of many deaths.
I also think escort in smaller scale to do not add to virus spread, but more like gathering together in pub, bar, restaurants, discos, FKK main bar or even protesting on street shouting in close range etc are more of a risk to spread virus!
But France now got extra fight on top of the virus, France just declared war on Muslim people, so it maybe good that it is locking down now, less terrorism target as people are not out there on street! But this religious warfare in France and some part of Europe is nothing new, becoming like part of the culture as it never stop!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498545]"I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."[/QUOTE]Why was he following you around in FKK? Is he gay or something or he had some beef against you over some prostitute or something?
I heard of guys who do not get along in FKK because of a girl they both go with LOL They apparently are jealous that FKK girl is going with both of them! What they failed to understand is that FKK is a brothel and girls inside are prostitutes LOL.
This happen with girls in FKK too, I have been asked by my regular girls questions like what does she do to you in room? With my other regular girl as if she does not understand why I do not only go with her, I always use this to my advantage to increase service level as girls even prostitutes like to compete LOL!
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498943]No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.
It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.[/QUOTE]Here are a few comments I made on ISG's SA thread.
I just listed a couple of my own comments. There are several other comments. The guys in that thread are generally very helpful and nice.
"I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread" -- all it means is that you have girls in practically every location in the world and you have access to them all. In these pandemic times, we are hardly traveling. So, you are likely going to focus on your home city. One caveat: A lot depends on where you live based on my experience. We have had some disagreements in the SA thread on this issue. I use SA extensively when I travel within USA -- it is a nice feeling to have a girl in your hotel room after a day at work on the road. What I have experienced is that prices are high in the expensive locations as can be expected. I am lucky enough to live in a reasonably inexpensive but also large enough city. I have consistently paid 300 to 400 for a couple of hours in Boston whereas in my own home city, prices are much less. I have pretty much given up on trying to find sugarbabes in SF. One girl asked for $200 gift upfront just to meet for dinner and then negotiate what we wanted. I said sayonara and hung up and was content getting a drink in the downstairs bar. BTW, I use SA in Europe a decent amount (not in DE because I am happy to stay with FKKs) and had had fantastic deals in Spain and other countries. It is funny that Romie girls have to fake as being Spanish / Catalan, whereas I had real Catalan girls right in Barcelona for a couple of hundred for awesome sex.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2493410&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2493410.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450030&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2450030.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2439868&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2439868.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2498567]Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " gorgs les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]When you claim to know so much my country, when I worked for many years mostly repairing but also renovating buildings, with few destructions, in Saint Denis, Pierrefite, Sarcelles, Garges les Gonesses, les Mureaux, but I m sad for Austrians when Austria is a quiet country with wonderful Vienna. Like in France, nothing about immigration and Muslim religion or Coran, but only integrist terrorism, like in NYC, in France, and now small Austria.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2498946]. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?
Anyway, last time I checked my passport said "United States of America. " But perhaps you are one of those people who ask, "but where are you really from?" and don't accept non-white people as being truly American. Actually, that mindset matches your deportation statement. Yep, checks out. I'll recognize that you have made many knowledgeable points in previous posts but man, after reading your thought process on race, religion, and nationality, it's apparent that your socio-cultural IQ is garbage.
Side note, my recommendation is to not hitch your wagon to Piston's devil tongue as I've learned a bit too late that honesty is not one of his strong suits. But hey, I'll leave the judgement of character to your own devices. Tread carefully.[/QUOTE]1. I am more honest than you ever were.
2. When it comes to dick size, passports are useless. Thai / Chinese is in such a context more appropriate.
As a side-note. American cock size is also a useless term given how few native Americans are left. Unless you are a wannabe native American. Not that I have measured their cock sizes.
3. Native Americans killed their own people en masse in genocides far more brutal than even the holocaust or pol pot in Cambodia. The Aztecs of Mexico have some fascinating stories.
4. I believe Pessimist was referring current day racism in Thailand and China. But given you haven't been there much, I suppose you may be given a pass on this. But it might be something worth reading up on. Or checking out for yourself. It is on a level far above racism in USA.
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And devil-tongue?
Well, I am not a Satanist. I am actually convinced Christians, Muslims and Jews are all Satanists without knowing it themselves. Maybe except for the top leaders. I consider myself more of a Luciferian. Which is anti-devil.
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SA and other bits
No bitterness at all with SA. If it works for some folks, that's great. Free world. And as to some other comments, this board is dedicated to connoisseurs of prime fillies and discussion about the quality and logistics of that activity, along with related lifestyle choices such as health, fine dining and so on. The readership is mostly affluent and educated. FKK's are not a human right and more than foie gras, concerts or whatever. All of us except a few kook jobs have normal relationships with women outside of the clubs. This should not even need to be said. We seek a luxury lifestyle of beautiful women, just as some seek collecting cars, artworks, etc.
Most of us are fully aware of social / political / economic etc issues and little moral judgments that impact our hobby and freedoms, and in the USA and some Nordic countries and a few other places infected with religious claptrap curtailing sexual freedom (defined as over 18 consenting humans) the consequences are serious.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498978]Oh fuck off. First off all, in my view it is far more likely that you are more of a researcher in health sciences area than being an actual physician. I have enough doctors in my family to know one when I see one. From Pistons comment it appears he actually met you and hence there may be a lot of truth to his comments and observations. As for being insecure. My wife and I have paid 200 grand taxes annually for 10 years and nearer to 250 for the last 5; we pay 60 grand tuition annually for our kids' private schools alone, far more than most people pay here for mongering. My partners and I created some well paying jobs for a handful of people, yes even a couple of minorities; I have done more than my bit for society; the last thing I will ever be in this life anymore is to be financially insecure, especially in the presence of a pompous fool like you.
Now I get what others have said about you that you keep changing your avatars because you are always being nasty and probably get kicked off the site. It appears that being a race warrior is your hobby horse; I have no idea if you got bullied for being Asian when you were in grade school and taking it out on White FKK WGs and anonymous members on ISG, but your accusations are wasted..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2498982]Little green light. 5 bucks says Pessimist is writing another emotional diatribe that ignores points that he knows is indefensible.[/QUOTE]Bam, right on cue. Piston's puppet.
So all medical providers act and speak the same? What an illogical assumption. Ever thought that the physicians in your family act the same because they share another similarity? Think real hard. The physicians in your family are likely similar because they are? Hint, it starts with the same letter as Family and ends in -amily.
Yep, smarted off to the admin and got Takedown deactivated so here I am! (No hard feelings admin guys).
Hey Boomer, avatars are graphical representations. I think you are looking for the terms handle, moniker, username, etc.
I'll give you another tip, all Asians in America were bullied as kids. But you wouldn't know that because you seem to not be in touch with the normal person.
Where is the substance in this post? Oh, that's right, hard to do it when defending the indefensible. Instead of providing reasoning to debate fallacies and clarifying ridiculous hatemongering positions, there's just a series of ad hominem arguments. Poor emotional control.
Last time I checked, calling for rounding up of people by cultural grounds and political incorrectness are quite far apart on the spectrum of decency and rationality. You throwing the two in the same basket is very disingenuous. It's pretty transparent too so I don't know who you are fooling.
You lumping all Asians together regardless of actual nation of origin and insisting that an ethnic American must bear responsibility for some random other Asian nation's atrocities is all I need to know about your social IQ. Like I said, consistent with your deportation post. It's okay, we understand your mindset. Just own it and say it out loud, "I see minorities as monolithic groups and not individual people. ".
So you tie insecurity or lack thereof to income? How strange and superficial. I guess there are no other qualities to justify your self worth. How sad. Patting oneself on the back for creating jobs, wow. So you just did that out of altruism? No benefit to yourself? Fuck, I built toilets for Nicaraguans and Haitians on a mission trip and gave them free health care, but as you can see, I am no saint. Point is, your occasional good deeds do not negate general doucheness. But again, I'm pretty sure you didn't give someone a paycheck out of charity. But if that helps you sleep at night. Do your thing.
The more you speak, the more obvious your deficiencies become, but congrats, you just gave Pistons a hard on for being his puppet. I hope you meet him one day so I can hear about whatever ridiculous falling out that should arise as with [B]Every other monger here he has ever met[/B]. The thought of little girls PMing each other about another poster, hilarious. A bit flattering, but mostly hilarious. And also a little creepy.
BTW, I'm in NYC next week. Let's rumble.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2498994]Why was he following you around in FKK? Is he gay or something or he had some beef against you over some prostitute or something?
I heard of guys who do not get along in FKK because of a girl they both go with LOL They apparently are jealous that FKK girl is going with both of them! What they failed to understand is that FKK is a brothel and girls inside are prostitutes LOL.
This happen with girls in FKK too, I have been asked by my regular girls questions like what does she do to you in room? With my other regular girl as if she does not understand why I do not only go with her, I always use this to my advantage to increase service level as girls even prostitutes like to compete LOL![/QUOTE]It was a charity case. Like sitting next to the weird kid at lunch when you were in grade school. Let me share another story. The same guy got all butt hurt when after we both sessioned with the same girl several times, he found out that she gave him her work number but she gave me her personal number. The look on his face when he found out, I felt a little bad for making a grown man-child cry. Honestly, I'm a little ashamed. Mother taught me to not pick on people for being born physically unattractive.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498983]That is fine, and sorry I didn't mean to have a harsh tone. I thought Phallus' post was unnecessarily combative but I thought you were a bit like me: looking for some pay and play opportunities. You did mention you are open to mongering options in the US. One of the reasons I prefer SA is because you can control the dialog end to end and abort anytime if things don't smell right.
Whether you want to be on SA or not is your choice obviously but perhaps you might want to read up on the ISG thread. Even your comment above ("The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much") has a lot of misconceptions in my view. I have written lengthy notes about how things work on SA in the dedicated thread, others have too, and it is not productive to repeat any of that. A simple reading will suffice and if you have any more questions, we can discuss then. But in my view, SA feels a lot more secure than escort sites, although M88 might not agree. Perhaps it is a question of personal preference.[/QUOTE]I think SA is the wave of the future. I have about seven escorts I currently see in a rotation in the USA, and they refer me to their friends, but eventually I will explore SA.
None of the USA Escorts I see are fat, foul-mouthed, or ridiculously tatted, so perhaps I am more fortunate than Phallus.
I did a response to Smoke Light regarding the USA Scene, but it got eaten by an ISG service break and I don't want to retype it all.
But in summary, I noted that the USA Has its own unique scene. The two safest avenues are SA, and choosing an escort who has reviews on one of the three escort review boards in the USA, and giving her the screening information she needs. Preferably she has multiple reviews from experienced reviewers. It keeps the police entirely out of the picture.
USA Arrests, while numerous, occur with respect to the street scene, massage parlors, and most notably from answering fake ads taken out by the police. These fake ads are always on large classified ads where the (supposed) lady has no reviews and no screening is involved.
American guys aren't very good at adapting. The USA Has been at war with anything organized when it comes to prostitution for a long time. So the scene has become one in which it is only safe if you are dealing one-on-one with the sex worker. That isn't difficult to do, and is unlikely to ever be attacked by the police, but a lot of guys won't adapt and manage to get themselves arrested. But those arrests can't be extrapolated to the general population of commercial sex transactions. They are unique to their own set of circumstances. A guy answering a fake sting ad on a Backpage type website has nothing to do with a guy meeting an SA lady over lunch / dinner or a guy booking an escort who has reviews, her own website, a twitter feed, and a screening mechanism.
I like the non-USA Scene, too. I have had plenty of experiences / adventures that could never be replicated in the USA, and certainly not at the same price. But as I have said before, I don't find the need to insult one scene, especially in my home country, when discussing another scene. And most of the criticisms not only aren't valid, but those doing the criticizing do not even participate in the scene they are criticizing. There are plenty of actual reviews on ISG of SA and none of them describe the ladies they meet as having come over as a result of the Backpage closure.
Most people value different experiences and can adapt. Germany has a unique system of FKKs. Great. Enjoy it if in Germany. When elsewhere, learn the alternatives from people who actually utilize the alternatives and pick what best suits your interests. In the USA, the predominant thinking is that the environment generating the best experiences is SA and independent escorts (or escorts who work at one if the few remaining agencies in safe areas) who have reviews, a website / twitter presence, and who screen. No practical risk of arrest or exposure, and you know what you are getting. And yes, it is expensive. I respect people who don't go that route for analytical reasons, but I see no reason to put it down, especially if that person doesn't even try it.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2499092]1. I am more honest than you ever were.
2. When it comes to dick size, passports are useless. Thai / Chinese is in such a context more appropriate.
As a side-note. American cock size is also a useless term given how few native Americans are left. Unless you are a wannabe native American. Not that I have measured their cock sizes.
3. Native Americans killed their own people en masse in genocides far more brutal than even the holocaust or pol pot in Cambodia. The Aztecs of Mexico have some fascinating stories.
4. I believe Pessimist was referring current day racism in Thailand and China. But given you haven't been there much, I suppose you may be given a pass on this. But it might be something worth reading up on. Or checking out for yourself. It is on a level far above racism in USA.[/QUOTE]Oh so slow wide-eye. Penis so big. You so handsome, strong, and smart. LOL. Baffoonery.
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Damn! From rants and Coronavirus discussions, this thread now gone full on cat fight? Guys, please try to read what you have written recently, and maybe stop fighting like little girls and grow up a bit?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498450]Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration.[/QUOTE]It seems that you were reflective here, acknowledging that you simply lashed out in a moment of frustration. You are not a world leader, so such actions would be forgivable. This is where I believe Mursenary probably should have dropped it. I would point out that the situation with 9/11 was much different. GW Bush did not criticize the Muslim world. In fact, he actually urged his fellow Americans not to engage in anti-Muslim hate crimes. From what I remember, the younger Bush's vitriol was directed solely on the perpetrators of the attack, rather than the religion of Islam.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2498943]It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.[/QUOTE]I believe your fetishes are more unconventional and may not be easily accommodated by a semi-pro. A seasoned pro who who has been with thousands of men has likely received every kind of fetish request possible, and will not be weirded out by MMF which if I recall is a huge turn-on for you.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2499190]Yep, smarted off to the admin and got Takedown deactivated so here I am! (No hard feelings admin guys).[/QUOTE]This is quite an admission. I can't help but wonder how many medical doctors are copping bans then re-registering with new names in online forums. And you really have to push it to have that happen here, as they typically just give out infractions which serve as warnings.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2498564]And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.[/QUOTE]Your constant mentioning of this forced me to Google.
One theory, Chinese money buys this silence. A second theory is that China frames the concentration camps as strictly a counter-terrorism issue rather than a war that singles out Muslim minorities. Uyghurs are not the only ethnic group in China that practice Islam. The Hui minority also practices Islam and their population is roughly the same size as the Uyghurs. The Hui people however receive little scrutiny. Unlike the Uyghurs, Hui have not been implicated in terrorist attacks nor do they have aspirations to form their own country. Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world, whereas Europe colonized the Middle East, and let's not forget the Crusades. Muslims have co-existed with Han Chinese for 1200 years, virtually all of it in relative peace. So in that sense, China can easily make a case that they are not enemies of Islam, but in fact are united with the Muslim countries against a common enemy: violent Islamic extremism. Third theory, Muslim countries distrust mainstream media in the infidel West.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/the-hui-chinas-preferred-muslims/a-36699666[/URL]
[QUOTE]Defying growing perceptions in Western countries over Muslims which are often associated with terrorism and extremism, [b]80% of terror victims globally are Muslims[/b], the head of a French NGO said Thursday.
Muslims are the first to suffer from terrorist attacks. It is important to recall in Europe because it is assumed that the terrorists are Muslims and the victims are non-Muslims. However, this is not true, Guillaume Denoix de Saint Marc, the executive director of the Association Franaise des Victimes du Terrorisme (the French Association of Victims of Terrorism)
https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/11/21/muslims-become-real-victims-of-global-terror-attacks.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2499242]I mean in the USA, I do not believe in 2020 that any major publication would publish a cartoon that depicts African-Americans as monkeys. I do not believe American publications "censor" themselves out of fear of Black violence or protests. It is simply distasteful, offensive, and honestly too unoriginal to be funny. And it only has the potential to antagonize and divide. And if a magazine did have the audacity to publish such a cartoon, I cannot imagine even Trump would defend that publication's "freedom of expression.".[/QUOTE]Actually:
[URL]https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/10/29/marblehead-king-kong-halloween/[/URL]
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Back to topic: end the cat fight!
Listen up: please refrain from dick size / alleged racial disk characteristics, low IQ, mom's basement, popularity and other personality BS / petty insults, much of which is probably made up. It is demeaning to the participants and detracts from the noble millennia old institution of pay-for-pleasure.
Surely we have enough brains and decorum to behave like intelligent hedonists we are, that seek female beauty, good food, company and nice things in general. Alles gut ! This takes place against our careers, relationships, lives, sensible mores of civilization etc. There are some practical COVID / border, legal and political / religious matters that impinge upon our hobby. COVID is very unfortunate.
As to pick up lines, here is 1974 vinyl LP (charming and goofy. Hopefully a few laughs for folks here):
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj5AVqyaYJU[/URL]
Having sex with luscious women, having fun and promoting that goal to fellow hedonists is what this board is all about.
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[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2498898]Why do ask again why?
I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.
But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)[/QUOTE]You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL!
I am not interested in report as I am not into voyeur and I am not interested in what others do with girls in details in rooms, why would I want to know that?
I do not want to buy fight from you as well, so I and others do appreciate that you do not bothers myself or others again! We are happy mongers!
And admin, please be fair for once and stop letting post one side and block another side, this is fair comment back based on fact and not insulting! Thank you!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2499242]It seems that you were reflective here, acknowledging that you simply lashed out in a moment of frustration. You are not a world leader, so such actions would be forgivable. This is where I believe Mursenary probably should have dropped it.[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah. Character flaw of always going hard, often too hard.
But in this case, so glad I pressed. Something was off with his posts. The forced pleasantries and pseudo-intellecting smelled fishy. Finally saw a man with poor emotional control who subscribes to basic left-right dichotomy, justifies self worth with income, and the nativist thought of someone who sees an ethnic American as a foreigner rather than an American.
I mean, I'm not making a moral judgement on infidelity, definitely not especially on a paid sex forum. But one can still make observations in character. Let's say a person capable of hiding making overseas mongering trips and frequent seeking arrangements from his spouse is capable of a lot of bullshiterry.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2499197]It was a charity case. Like sitting next to the weird kid at lunch when you were in grade school. Let me share another story. The same guy got all butt hurt when after we both sessioned with the same girl several times, he found out that she gave him her work number but she gave me her personal number. The look on his face when he found out, I felt a little bad for making a grown man-child cry. Honestly, I'm a little ashamed. Mother taught me to not pick on people for being born physically unattractive.[/QUOTE]Well he should know that girls we meet in FKK are prostitutes and one should go there for sex only even though many girls tell you many nice things, I do not buy it beside their sexual services LOL!
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Actually, there is a clear relevant link between pussies and penises on a sex forum.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2499093]And devil-tongue?
Well, I am not a Satanist. I am actually convinced Christians, Muslims and Jews are all Satanists without knowing it themselves. Maybe except for the top leaders. I consider myself more of a Luciferian. Which is anti-devil.[/QUOTE]I believe in law of nature, but what are you talking about? Devil? Satan? What are you on about? LOL!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2499260]Your constant mentioning of this forced me to Google.
One theory, Chinese money buys this silence. A second theory is that China frames the concentration camps as strictly a counter-terrorism issue rather than a war that singles out Muslim minorities. Uyghurs are not the only ethnic group in China that practice Islam. The Hui minority also practices Islam and their population is roughly the same size as the Uyghurs. The Hui people however receive little scrutiny. Unlike the Uyghurs, Hui have not been implicated in terrorist attacks nor do they have aspirations to form their own country. Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world, whereas Europe colonized the Middle East, and let's not forget the Crusades. Muslims have co-existed with Han Chinese for 1200 years, virtually all of it in relative peace. So in that sense, China can easily make a case that they are not enemies of Islam, but in fact are united with the Muslim countries against a common enemy: violent Islamic extremism. Third theory, Muslim countries distrust mainstream media in the infidel West.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/the-hui-chinas-preferred-muslims/a-36699666[/URL][/QUOTE]"Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world".
Frankly, that is not the relevant issue.
First, if you keep litigating the wrongs of the past, then forget about the future and moving forward. Colonization ended at least 60 years ago for most colonies. Dig up the past, you will remain in the past.
Commie regime of China is like Borg in Star Trek. They absorb, assimilate and destroy. Local customs, languages, religions are wiped out and if they resist they will be defaced. In a couple of generations, Tibetan language, customs, religion, way of life will be forgotten, dead as dodo.
France has not declared war on Islam either, to your point. But the Islamic practitioners living in France are offended if the French society does not live by their sensibilities, including respecting their Allah in cartoons. France did not outlaw practice of Islam which is more than one can say about the Islamic countries which have different rights for Islamic and non Islamic peoples in their countries. In Saudi Arabia, it is illegal to even practice any other religion at least publicly.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2499204]I think SA is the wave of the future. I have about seven escorts I currently see in a rotation in the USA, and they refer me to their friends, but eventually I will explore SA.
None of the USA Escorts I see are fat, foul-mouthed, or ridiculously tatted, so perhaps I am more fortunate than Phallus.
I did a response to Smoke Light regarding the USA Scene, but it got eaten by an ISG service break and I don't want to retype it all.
But in summary, I noted that the USA Has its own unique scene. The two safest avenues are SA, and choosing an escort who has reviews on one of the three escort review boards in the USA, and giving her the screening information she needs. Preferably she has multiple reviews from experienced reviewers. It keeps the police entirely out of the picture.
USA Arrests, while numerous, occur with respect to the street scene, massage parlors, and most notably from answering fake ads taken out by the police. These fake ads are always on large classified ads where the (supposed) lady has no reviews and no screening is involved.
American guys aren't very good at adapting. The USA Has been at war with anything organized when it comes to prostitution for a long time. So the scene has become one in which it is only safe if you are dealing one-on-one with the sex worker. That isn't difficult to do, and is unlikely to ever be attacked by the police, but a lot of guys won't adapt and manage to get themselves arrested. But those arrests can't be extrapolated to the general population of commercial sex transactions. They are unique to their own set of circumstances. A guy answering a fake sting ad on a Backpage type website has nothing to do with a guy meeting an SA lady over lunch / dinner or a guy booking an escort who has reviews, her own website, a twitter feed, and a screening mechanism.[/QUOTE]Recently in the SA thread, one poster mentioned that SA blocked his account and even sent him a notice that if ever he tried to resubscribe, he will be reported to LE. The reason being he discussed pay for play in explicit terms with girls on SA. It is not clear if some girls reported him to the admin or if the site has some software monitoring messages. Regardless, I was surprised. My experience and view has been that SA is typically loathe to ban male subscribers because they are the paying customers. I have known plenty of girls who were blocked on the slightest pretext but they obtain a new account with a new handle. They do not pay and losing an account is no big loss for them.
What it shows is that SA is fighting hard to give the impression that it is not a backpage type operation. It is a meeting place. What happens between the parties is up to them but SA just facilitates the meeting.
But unlike Tinder, the reputation of the site and expectation of members are such that sex is on the table, as is some form of allowance. It is up to the two parties to make the connection, come to an understanding and a deal. But if you are smart and careful, you can do so w / o using the word sex, or even implying sex. I have personally blocked girls when they mentioned anything like "I need money, and I am willing to have sex". Some were quite pretty and it pained me to block them but I will not take any risks. Most girls are smart enough to do the dance without being explicit. This is why I feel safer being on SA from an entrapment perspective.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2499272]You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL![/QUOTE]Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.
Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2499360]I believe in law of nature, but what are you talking about? Devil? Satan? What are you on about? LOL![/QUOTE]Read up about Luciferianism. We are truthists, while the religions of today is always trying to hide the truth. Just look at the catholic church with the old Latin language. However, I don't believe that these religious names were people or gods. Just archetypes of ideas.
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To Piston, most of brothels WGs say I'm big when I'm not 20 cm, of course I can see under shower, even compare to guys still hard under Viagra, but when I always thought it is advantage in real life, more impressive for women who seem to prefer to feel something inside them, also never heard from escorts even I feel some are on the limit and I have to enter and start carefully, but really not advantage in brothels where most often need to adapt to girls. I remember Luana starting at LR on September 2016, couldn't really enter inside her small pussy, even she was friendly, fortunately my first girl of the week and I did let go to finish fast because no pleasure to see her like this and never repeated, when I usually enjoy to control with belly muscles, being really sporty help, to stay on the edge and play longer fucking, as long I see not hurting the girl. What is sometimes really enjoyable is when a girl try to control, contracting resisting, so we play and you see her exhausting resisting contracting, at a moment she can t anymore, so she prefers to give up, then usually wide opening and letting go. Real pleasure. Some even say thank you. This is really nothing effort compare to my climbings and much more interesting than boring just emptying balls.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2499478]Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.
Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's becoming very obvious by now: same aggressive writing style, and 'strangely' enough always in agreement with Mursenary.
Just like Mursenary, none of those usernames supply any new or relevant facts, the only thing they do is aggressively attack other users with a different opinion with more scaremongering.
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Fire break
Lads.
I know covid sucks and creates hard feelings (double pun), but all the claims, counterclaims, flames and petty insults is. Petty. We can do better.
Can we at least reminisce on good times or discuss what we will do post covid on our first post covid FKK visit. Swing from chandeliers? Threesomes? Let's plan for tomorrow, think past the grim election nonsense and talk about a luscious pair of large firm tits. This is why we are here.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2499617]Lads.
I know covid sucks and creates hard feelings (double pun), but all the claims, counterclaims, flames and petty insults is. Petty. We can do better.
Can we at least reminisce on good times or discuss what we will do post covid on our first post covid FKK visit. Swing from chandeliers? Threesomes? Let's plan for tomorrow, think past the grim election nonsense and talk about a luscious pair of large firm tits. This is why we are here.[/QUOTE]No doesn't suck at all, I take this free time to improve my English may be you should do the same.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2499478]Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.
Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity why did you deactivate Takedown?
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Blue pill during Covid travel incident report
I'm going out on a limb and purely assuming this is the closest thread for "hobbying during Covid19 incidents".
Infiltrated South America via Monterrey MX as the airfare is usually 1/2 or 1/4 the cost of flying directly out of Texas. Heard Ecuador was open for US Citizens. With buses, and planes, arrive 11 pm Thursdays night to have myself a 3 day monger getaway in Quito EC.
11 am: border bus arrives in Monterrey. I have 4 hours and know a place to hobby. Pop a 1. 5 pills, 75 MG Silde and ride to a fun house I know of before my 3 pm flight. Girl I wanted wouldn't be ready till closer to 12 pm, but will write up separately on MTY thread. Arrived at airport, temp taken at building entrance, plus fill out affidavit of all places visited in last 14 days, this is being done at all Mexico airports. Felt fine. Nothing unusual at 3 pm flight.
Landed 4:45 pm for connection in Mexico City. Figure blue pill long worn off at this point? Ate a small lunch, and had a non-monger situation come up at last minute in airport to run around looking for an ATM. (in Mex border town requested a custom Halloween costume, and got hit with needing a deposit for tailor materials to be ready before Oct 31)(Asked them to do Paypal or WU as my flight is about to board in 20 minutes) Ran around first 4 ATMs in CDMX terminal either didn't like my card or had a mechanical issue. Gave up, and RAN to the gate. Built up a lite sweat.
Minutes to 6 pm takeoff. Blue pill originally ingested at 11 am. Per requirements of Ecuador entry, show clean test within last 10 days at the departure gate. All clear on that. As I'm walking down sky ramp into AeroMexico craft, I get hit with allergies, and a loogy coughed up in back of throat, I didn't want to swallow, just spit into sink or trashbin and there weren't any. Hindsight: Should've manned up and swallowed.
Unable to talk, and allergies messing with my nose, motion to attendant to let me into the lavatory. Initially she looks thru seat pockets for a puke bag to give me, can't find one, and just lets me in to lavatory. Spit into the sink, and just started sneezing like there was no tomorrow, went thru 5 napkins to purge it all out. Nose cleared, returned to my seat.
The entire cabin crew and some airport agents swarmed me, stating I am the token passenger that is sneezing out of control, I am sweating, and skin is red. I said it was allergies either a passenger has a mink coat or the Mexico City smog, but I am fine. No, they said I am not fine and need to be removed, examined, and rebooked for tomorrow's flight.
I was escorted off the plane, placed in wheelchair, and on site CDMX airport medics ran, literally ran to the call to action like this is the moment they have been rehearsing all year, and here it is finally. I kept telling them dude I'm fine, and the Mex medics were saying Shhhh tranquillo tranquillo (relax relax) and they were poking me and measuring me. Watching the plane back out of the gate and I'm not on it was a punch gut feel.
It's 6:15 pm, 85 MG Silde popped at 11 am. Medics clear me saying temperatures show no signs of fever BUT pointed out elevated blood pressure and forehead a little warmer than normal. Thinking to myself, there's no way the pill is still in effect 7 hours later, there's no way. Asked if I had a history of high blood pressure or took any supplements, just denied that.
Rolled into another on-site airport clinic, spent 2 hours waiting to be seen. Another set of medics asked me the same set of questions, and decided I was fine, and could've been allowed to fly. (Thanks after the fact).
Courtesy of AeroMexico, got a comped room in upscale Holiday Inn, with 3 meal vouchers (albeit the voucher menu was stripped down from full options, jerks) Also nearby the Inn, was a working ATM and Oxxo service to send funds to the costume shop, since I had nothing else going on. Yes I probably could've hobbied in Mexico City on short notice, but I the whole fracas really wore on me, plus if you know Mexico City, the street scene is best done with an experienced guide / fellow ISGer not recommended if first time solo, and the escort route if you agree to 10 pm, plan on them showing up at 12:45 am or not at all. Basically the CDMX scene, the stars have to line up just right with that short of notice.
Next day, thinking I should be in Quito bagging dates left and right, I'm in CDMX with zero itinerary. Went to one street market (Merced) where SWs are known to appear, saw 3 or 4 high mileage GILF examples, but that was it, it was already time to head back to Inn to get ready for airport. Did NOT take any blue pills this go around. Was allowed onto the plane this time, first quickly before reporting to gate, went to a terminal restroom to wipe out my nose one last time to fail safe my appearance. No sweat or elevated blood pumping, and I was off to Ecuador for a 3 day monger getaway slashed to 2 day rushed mongering.
Disputing if if the 85 MG of Silde 7 hours later caused the effects or if I was just born messed up.
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Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian). I am fairly certain he is no physician. I have way too many family members and friends from be school who were MDs in prior life; none of them care to spend hours typing on social media; most have had it up to their neck with EMRs, constant pulling down of menus and records and clicks; their speeches are laden with clinical references and not this inane research monologues; and the lack of financial security is a giveaway. I found some references to this even in his TakeDown avatar and others were mocking him 3 years ago. All easily searchable with a few easy clicks. In any case, being a physician impresses no one these days. Unless they are specialists; the internists and pediatricians and family medicine guys and others are toiling at sub-$200 K, absurd amount of paper work, most of them can't run their own practice, forced to work for larger companies that run them ragged; the reason a bunch of them leave medicine altogether and go to be school is because the pay is doubled and work is halved. Being a non specialist grunt MD now in US is being a worker bee with increasing work, declining pay, and increasing stress. But then again, this one is not even that, just a researcher, on that I will stake a bet.
My initial response to his uninvited first reply which itself was quite confrontational was restrained. I explained my rationale but he kept getting more unhinged with absurd personal insults and accusations. Who the fuck does that? Someone with weak upbringing or continued feelings of inadequacy, that's who. Like most American families, I have a multi cultural, multi ethnic family myself, with other races present in my extended family. These days, it is common to have siblings, step siblings, cousins, best friends marry outside own ethnic line; a guy who patronizes clubs with known door policies flinging shit at others, imagine. As if Al Sharpton kept a bunch of business interests in pre-1990 South Africa and lectured the rest of us about race relations. The sheer hypocrisy of this is unreal.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2499599]To Piston, most of brothels WGs say I'm big when I'm not 20 cm, of course I can see under shower, even compare to guys still hard under Viagra, but when I always thought it is advantage in real life, more impressive for women who seem to prefer to feel something inside them, also never heard from escorts even I feel some are on the limit and I have to enter and start carefully, but really not advantage in brothels where most often need to adapt to girls. I remember Luana starting at LR on September 2016, couldn't really enter inside her small pussy, even she was friendly, fortunately my first girl of the week and I did let go to finish fast because no pleasure to see her like this and never repeated, when I usually enjoy to control with belly muscles, being really sporty help, to stay on the edge and play longer fucking, as long I see not hurting the girl. What is sometimes really enjoyable is when a girl try to control, contracting resisting, so we play and you see her exhausting resisting contracting, at a moment she can t anymore, so she prefers to give up, then usually wide opening and letting go. Real pleasure. Some even say thank you. This is really nothing effort compare to my climbings and much more interesting than boring just emptying balls.[/QUOTE]Well, it depends on how turned on the girl is. If the girl is not turned on at all, a vagina only goes 6-12 cm in or so. But when she is horny enough, it can stretch up to 18-25 cm. Thickness is another thing though, and I suppose horny girls are mainly about volume, and not just length.
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The main problem with discussing girth on a sec forum are those annoying condoms with slim girth.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2499575]Read up about Luciferianism. We are truthists, while the religions of today is always trying to hide the truth. Just look at the catholic church with the old Latin language. However, I don't believe that these religious names were people or gods. Just archetypes of ideas.[/QUOTE]Interesting:
Luciferians generally support the protection of the natural world. Both the arts and sciences are crucial to human development and thus both are cherished. Luciferians think that humans should be focused on this life and how to make the most of it every single day. The ability to recognize both good and evil, to accept that all actions have both positive and negative consequences, and to actively influence one's environment is a key factor.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499776]Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is[/QUOTE]Trumpian eh? But who is the New Yorker who uses salary as a measuring stick for self worth, cheats on his wife, and calling for the deportation of Muslims while manipulating facts due to an inability to handle blunt criticism. Hashtag twinning.
Better to be arrogant and aggressive than deceptive and insecure.
Turgid, basically when you're repeatedly a smart ass to the mods, they rightfully have the right and power to revoke your account. No hard feelings.
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Lol
[QUOTE=Turgid;2499651]Out of curiosity why did you deactivate Takedown?[/QUOTE]He didn't "deactivate" but was banned. But since he felt victimized by the moderators he registered a new account and resumed posting. Such is a very common phenomenon on the internet.
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For Shoo Swede
Update:
MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.
Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2499873]Trumpian eh? But who is the New Yorker who uses salary as a measuring stick for self worth, cheats on his wife, and calling for the deportation of Muslims while manipulating facts due to an inability to handle blunt criticism. Hashtag twinning.
Better to be arrogant and aggressive than deceptive and insecure.
Turgid, basically when you're repeatedly a smart ass to the mods, they rightfully have the right and power to revoke your account. No hard feelings.[/QUOTE]I am in NYC now? OK then. I only brought up any money issues to rebut your highly despicable personal attacks. I have repeatedly acknowledged in this pandemic some people have been privileged and others have suffered and I have a ton of sympathy for the people who are financially distressed in this environment. I am not in the business of mocking, attacking other members (or any person for that matter) but when I looked at your current and your past avatar comments, you descend into mocking, personal attacks very very quickly. Talking of hypocrisy, a few weeks ago you equated all Trump voters (which you yourself may have been, because you claimed you voted only GOP until 2 years ago) to Hitlerite Nazis -- that's right, talk about broad brushing! 50% of the population including nearly 70 mil voters this week are identical to a group of murders that perpetrated holocaust! Perhaps you should ask ADL and Foxman who are no GOP sympathizers if they agree with you in that false, reprehensible equivalence.
BTW, hyper aggression on anonymous boards is highly correlated to deeply entrenched insecurity in my empirical observation although I am no psych major. Although I disagree with McAdonis more often than normal, I will give it to him that he is not at all aggressive and has a very thick skin and sometimes I wish I had that quality but when someone goes out of their way to launch personal attacks I do reply back, that's my weakness. And I will say the last place I will listen to any lectures on morality and fidelity is on a sex forum from other equally depraved mongers. I have disagreed with Phallus or Pistons or Hammer or a ton of other people but you will not find me attacking them personally, mocking them; this particular trait is your signature and no matter how many times you change your avatar you will be found because that mocking tone comes through in a couple of posts. I did not know TakeDown but if I had been active on the forum then, I would have know you were back in a new avatar.
I did not call for deportation of all Moslems and if I had, the logical place would be in my country but even after 9/11 I fervently defended the few Islamic friends I had here. A Moslem co-worker's brother at Cantor perished on 9/11. The crux of my argument with Gino for 6 months is precisely that individuals should be judged on their own individual behavior and not based on a group trait (ethnic look, origin, whatever). But Islamists cheering on beheaders, being sympathetic to them openly or practicing boycotts of French products in a time of need deserve zero sympathy and only absolute condemnation. But your own hypocrisy in this matter is quite obvious. Now, I too have patronized GT and other clubs but I never paid any particular attention to this matter before, and I was not the race warrior pushing my own personal code of morals onto others and worse yet attacking them at the first sign as if I was a paragon of morality and virtue.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2500021]Update:
MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.
Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.[/QUOTE]Mick Mulvaney has said Trump will run in 2024 and I had been thinking the same even before I hard Mick. If we think we have seen the last of Trump, we are mistaken. I voted against Trump because IMP he is fucking incompetent. I think his tough trade stance v China, Hua Wei ban have found broad resonance across political spectrum and even in Europe which are now following the US lead on banning Hua Wei out of their networks. Trump's views on making NATO pay for their own ticket and not free loading, more stringent immigration control, shifting manufacturing back to US also have support across the board. In fact, if he had paid lip service to Fauci, went along with simple things like mask usage, controlled his urges to lash out at every instance even against own party folks such as McCain, etc then he might very well have won. Even now, GOP picked up seats in the House and Senate did not go away as Dems hoped. Even the 8 pt popular vote thrashing never happened. Trump's hold on his party is complete. Look at how quickly Cruz, Lindsey and others jumped when Eric Trump did the whistle. The only question they asked is "how high? Trump is taking credit for the better than expected results in House / Senate, will blame WH loss on fraud (and mind you, his supporters will agree with any lie he makes up) and until Dems find a formula to beat electoral college their advantage in polls and popular vote will mean zilch. In fact, I was surprised to see Trump win in some unexpected places such as Nassau county, NY which is very high end, mostly urban, educated, diversified, well paid population. Dems need to find a way to connect to the populist wing of the country and it is not with $15 minimum wage and offering expanded Obamacare. The other thing I will say is that Dems must be in shock that Trump's loss in popular vote was so narrow and that he also increased his vote count so much. If anything, his fans had a reason to stay home depressed as they must be with Covid, economy, jobs, what not but they turned up in high numbers. Dems came at bigger numbers because they were hugely psyched to defeat Trump but that amount of enthusiasm will not be there in 2024 and the Covid / extended voting / mail in helped Dems: groups such as younger people, minorities who normally vote in smaller percentages voted in higher numbers now because they had more time to vote, could do through mail. Those may not be true in 2024. I do think the demographic shift (both on shrinking White population and growing percent of youth) is helpful to Dems in general but it is also true demographics is not always destiny unless Dems are smart and careful.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499776]Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian).[/QUOTE]Well I'll be working in Brooklyn / Queens for a month+. Here's an open invitation for a friendly wager to see who can close on more women. You can pick the venue. May I suggest a gym near Jamaica, Queens. Make sure you wear your New Balance shoes or whatever guys with DadBods wear these days Boomer. But if you need liquor to build up some courage, I know some spots that are open to accommodate those special needs. How about a wager of a Sharks 20 entry card. Should be a pretty tiny wager for such a wealthy businessman.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499776]I am fairly certain he is no physician. I have way too many family members and friends from be school who were MDs in prior life; none of them care to spend hours typing on social media; most have had it up to their neck with EMRs, constant pulling down of menus and records and clicks; their speeches are laden with clinical references and not this inane research monologues; and the lack of financial security is a giveaway. I found some references to this even in his TakeDown avatar and others were mocking him 3 years ago. All easily searchable with a few easy clicks. In any case, being a physician impresses no one these days..[/QUOTE]I choose my words very precisely when speaking about my profession so I suggest you examine a little more closely. (You are creepily very skilled at digital stalking though!) First job out of undergrad was a bench research position. First job after the first master's was a clinical research position. Belittling the valuable role of researchers is quite Trumpian. So is the focus on salary. That's so douchey. I guess that's fitting for such a "successful businessman."
Side note: Opinion on your stalking skills took a bit of a hit as I have no idea why you are referencing the lowest paying primary care providers. I have more faith in your stalking skills so my assumption is that it was intentionally misleading.
Here are the most recent *average* intensivist salaries, including critical care and emergency medicine. Oddly enough, even the internist and primary care salaries are well above 230 K.
[URL]https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2020-compensation-intensivist-6012723[/URL]
Perhaps you are getting confused with mid-level / APP salaries. Up to 200 K, not too shabby:
[URL]https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-aprn-compensation-report-6010997[/URL]
As for the trope of paperwork, I love my scribes. $15/ HR and writing an occasional letter of recommendation to never have to chart a damn thing. Whoop whoop.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_scribe?wprov=sfti1[/URL]
It appears that your perception of medical professions is stuck in the 90's. Ok boomer.
Anyway, maybe someone can clarify why someone would assert "you are not an x" just to follow up with a diatribe of why x sucks. That's so incongruent. Here's a tip, if you actually rise to the challenge of the wager; incongruence, I suggest working on that. Because women can sniff that shit out.
BTW, do your family members just randomly drop clinical references in a layman setting? If so, how pompous and socially unaware of them. Are they unable to code switch for when they have to talk to their patients? The holidays must be a bore at the pessimist household.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500034]I am in NYC now? OK then. I only brought up any money issues to rebut your highly despicable personal attacks. I have repeatedly acknowledged in this pandemic some people have been privileged and others have suffered and I have a ton of sympathy for the people who are financially distressed in this environment. I am not in the business of mocking, attacking other members (or any person for that matter) but when I looked at your current and your past avatar [b](clipped for brevity as to not be accused of cherry picking)[/b][/QUOTE]Isn't New York a state? Didn't realize only residents of New York City were allowed to be called New Yorkers. Seriously, is this a well known fact to which I was not aware?
Reconstructing reality by deliberately misconstruing the facts is a hallmark sign of a lack of substance when defending a case, just my empirical observation. Then again, maybe you just read too fast while in your state of rage and those half dozen instances just all happened to be subconscious / unintentional mistakes. Not sure if this is a case of intentional manipulation or early signs of a developing personality disorder. Psych-mental health knowledge is also a weak point of mine. We're basically samesies!
Avatar, LOL. What a boomer. Welcome to the internet BTW.
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