Monterrey

Strike, it is not necesary to reserve.
Trust me. There will always be a place for you.
Yes, the passes are valid... some have a time window. I must be honest, I don't know if the one you mention is valid on the night shift.
It will take me a couple of days to check it out... I won't be at Prestige till next week.
But by all means print the tickets you think you'll need, though only one can be used at a time. You only show it at the entrance, don't worry about the girls, tell the waiter that's running the tab that you have a promotion.
No full service on the "4dances" cupon.

No naturlar blones Strike... sorry about that. Natural blondes can only be found as civilians living at the upper class Colonia del Valle district.

Transportation: yes, they offer transportation, but I have never used it.

No touching on stage, some touching is allowed while the girl sits with you, some full contact allowed during regular dances, depending on the girl, but no "fajes" here.... again, depends on the girl.

Better girls, Obsession, better lunch buffet, Prestige.. though the girls are nice and gets better on the night shift.

And please... keep asking your questions.


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Thanks again amigomio ..

[url]http://www.prestige.com.mx/[/url]

I saw in the website of the Prestige that I can make a reservation through internet that means that I can only go there (or any other high end club) with a reservation before hand?? or can I go there without a reservation?. If I print the "pases" available in the website are they valid at the entrance of the club? Also transportation from the hotel to the club is offer, that means that can I call from my hotel and they will take me to the club and back to my hotel even if I go there alone??

The ticket from internet that says: 4 private lapdances plus one bottle of boons dama for 2732 pesos includes also full service or not?? Other says no cover plus buffet plus one private lap dance for 150 pesos ... should I show those tickets at the entrance and also to the girls?? In the prestige site there are a lots of adds showing blonde women... can I found some natural blondes there?

In the high end clubs can I touch the girls while they are on the dance floor or sitted next to me?? You know a good "faje" and also some touching in the lapdances (and maybe some tit sucking) is that allowed or not?? Or only the girls can touch me and I cannot touch them?

Which one has better girls (and buffette) the Obsession or the Prestige?

Sorry to keep asking so many questions but as I said before I'm a newcomer regarding strip clubs here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Strike, it is not necesary to reserve.


No naturlar blones Strike... sorry about that. Natural blondes can only be found as civilians living at the upper class Colonia del Valle district.

.[/QUOTE]

I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.

First of all, let me tell you I checked the transportation stuff on Obsession and Prestige.
You only need to call to get it. Trouble is that only the hostess at the afternoon shift of the Obsession speaks English.
But they will get you from the hotel and back again.

Sorry about the blondes but I must keep answering "no"... let me check on that again next week.

Fajes: no fajes on the night shifts of any 5 star club. The rest of the clubs are a different story and I mean it. But have in mind that it depends on the girl too.

Infinito: yes, you can touch the girls on stage. For a salida, the bar fine is 350 pesos and the girls generally charge 1000 pesos, but their might be instances where the night shift girls might charge 1500 pesos. All this for 1hour-1.5 hours. Again, depends on the girl. And yes, your prices are correct, 300 for a FS plus 50 pesos per 4 minute dance and the girl dirnks are 50 pesos, but many just sit for one drink ask for a privado and if you don't want one, they will just up and leave.






[QUOTE=Strike 69]I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strike 69]I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Strike 69,

I did a bleached-blonde(only one that works there) at Misses for 2100 pesos for one hour. Don't remember her name, but she was an absolute ten. Also, she stated that the girls basically split the fee with the house on a 50/50 basis. Other girls were cheaper but this girl was perfect. 5'2", 100 pounds, size 1, seductive tan lines, real b-cups, no c-section, scars or tattos and a fun attitude. She stated that she was available for outside dating and I am sure if she liked you a better value could be had (2000 pesos for 2-3 hours was implied). Anyway, I recommend Misses to any monger although it is expensive. It is a first-class MP in a safe and comfortable neighborhood very close to the clubs.

As for true blondes, they are available in the Colonial del Valle and Valle Montana section on a non-pro basis. They appear to be of European descent. The majority of these women are very, very wealthy. Comparable in net worth to Redondo Beach, CA and Manhattan Beach, CA, respectively. There are two bars next to each other within the Sanborne shopping center in the Colonia Del Valle sector if you want to try your luck, and scoring one of these rich girls will land you in the Monterrey Mongering Hall of Fame. However, it can be done. A bar owner in San Pedro that I patronize told me of an American "runner" (US criminal problems) that landed one of these Colonial del Valle women. I wanted to meet this guy and hear his story, but he apparantly ended up running somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]First of all, let me tell you I checked the transportation stuff on Obsession and Prestige.
You only need to call to get it. Trouble is that only the hostess at the afternoon shift of the Obsession speaks English.
But they will get you from the hotel and back again.
.[/QUOTE]

Firt at all I want to apologize to all for writing the next post in Spanish but I want to thank in a more personal way, sorry again for those who might find the next post disturbing or annoying

Muchas gracias "Amigomio", no tengo problema con que los recepcionistas en los clubs no hablen inglés, hablo español a nivel de hablante nativo, te agradezo mucho tu ayuda, y si no es mucha molestia abusar, te encargaría verificar cuando puedas lo de las rubias naturales, no es posible que al menos un par de ellas no trabajen en alguno de los múltiples tables de Monterrey, deberían importar al menos un par para tener mayor variedad, ojo no tengo nada en contra las morenas, me gustan mucho también pero pues es como cuando vas un buffete la variedad es importante, y las rubias son un simbolo sexual femenino por excelencia. Si necesitas ayuda a algún tipo de orientación con respecto a: Guadalajara, DF, Montreal, Alemania, Inglaterra (Londres), o Europa del este (República Checa, Hungría, Rumania, Rusia, Lituania, Eslovaquia etc) puedes preguntarme con toda confianza y yo encantado de ayudarte.

Saludos

Strike,

I've also been looking this week to see if I can find any girls in the clubs that meet your criteria, and so far, I am really coming up empty handed. There are few in Pasarelas that are blonde, but not naturales, and their hair is as course and rough as you can imagine from the dying process. Plus the girls I've seen are 100% Mexicanas with very little hint of European ancestry, which would give you the light skinned, European ancestry diva look. I'll keep looking and let you know if I come up with anything on my end, but so far it's looking kind of sparse.

[QUOTE=Strike 69]Firt at all I want to apologize to all for writing the next post in Spanish but I want to thank in a more personal way, sorry again for those who might find the next post disturbing or annoying

Muchas gracias "Amigomio", no tengo problema con que los recepcionistas en los clubs no hablen inglés, hablo español a nivel de hablante nativo, te agradezo mucho tu ayuda, y si no es mucha molestia abusar, te encargaría verificar cuando puedas lo de las rubias naturales, no es posible que al menos un par de ellas no trabajen en alguno de los múltiples tables de Monterrey, deberían importar al menos un par para tener mayor variedad, ojo no tengo nada en contra las morenas, me gustan mucho también pero pues es como cuando vas un buffete la variedad es importante, y las rubias son un simbolo sexual femenino por excelencia. Si necesitas ayuda a algún tipo de orientación con respecto a: Guadalajara, DF, Montreal, Alemania, Inglaterra (Londres), o Europa del este (República Checa, Hungría, Rumania, Rusia, Lituania, Eslovaquia etc) puedes preguntarme con toda confianza y yo encantado de ayudarte.

Saludos[/QUOTE]

May I repeat myself: No natural blondes working at the clubs.
USB has seen the higher class girls and ladies at the Colonia del Valle sector but he is not quite familiar with the way our social classes are divided in Mexico in such a way that you will never find at the clubs high class girls, where there are blondes... natural blondes cavorting around.

Again Strike... let me check next week with my friends how the Amnesia por Premiere might work out for you.
Good for speaking Spanish, that will help 100% in your favor.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Strike,

I've also been looking this week to see if I can find any girls in the clubs that meet your criteria, and so far, I am really coming up empty handed. There are few in Pasarelas that are blonde, but not naturales, and their hair is as course and rough as you can imagine from the dying process. Plus the girls I've seen are 100% Mexicanas with very little hint of European ancestry, which would give you the light skinned, European ancestry diva look. I'll keep looking and let you know if I come up with anything on my end, but so far it's looking kind of sparse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]May I repeat myself: No natural blondes working at the clubs.
USB has seen the higher class girls and ladies at the Colonia del Valle sector but he is not quite familiar with the way our social classes are divided in Mexico in such a way that you will never find at the clubs high class girls, where there are blondes... natural blondes cavorting around.

Again Strike... let me check next week with my friends how the Amnesia por Premiere might work out for you.
Good for speaking Spanish, that will help 100% in your favor.[/QUOTE]

Thank you again Amigomio and Unospongebob.

Amigomio can correct me if I'm wrong regarding Mexico's social classes

To Unospongebob:

I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico. D
espite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, also 60 millions are Mestizos (mixture of Europeans and Indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the Indigenous populations. From Mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of European facial gestures if we add this number of fair skinned mestizos to the original 10 million who are pure white we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white or fair skinned against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions Mestizos who dark-skinned or have Indigenous facial gestures.

20 - 25 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is a number higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country, why? because we have 50 million Mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population, that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.

The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.

The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)

Certainly, I accept your statistical assessments of the racial mix in Mexico, but the clinker is that the ethnic classes working in the bars that I regularly frequent, even the Prestige and Obsession, two of the high end bars in Monterrey, do not rise to the level of distinction that they offer the ethnic mix that you prefer. It isn't that they don't exist in the population, it's just that they do not seem to be available within the club circuit.

Now, one would think, based on the preferences that most Mexican men have for fair skinned women of Eurpean ancestry, that the offering here would be much more along those lines. Mexican men prefering exactly the kinds of girls you describe in your posts. But, that simply isn't the case, probably for the reasons you articulated, most of the divas being absorbed into the legitimized society due to their appearance being in such high esteem.

I am usually quite critical of the business model in Mexico, and I don't really understand why supply and demand are so out of whack, but I believe it probably comes back to economics, that most of the Mexicanos do not earn sufficient money to pay for their desires, importing women from the other countries you described. Because, as you pointed out, the divas are well taken care of within a society that puts them on a pedistal. They certainly, the majority of them, should not have to work in a bar setting. Certainly, there is a segment of the population that could afford them, and undoubtedly do, but they are not being offered up in the clubs, clubs that rely more on the average Mexicano for their longevity and viability day to day.

Unfortunately, speaking also for Carlos, not even we, he being a relatively affluent Mexicano, and my being a relatively affluent Gringo, not even we, our being relatively well versed in the Monterrey scene, frequent wherever these kinds of girls are offered up in Monterrey. I suppose we are just too cheap because both of us were standing last night in El Infinito, and perfectly happy to sample the delights there without actually spending a lot of money.

I suspect you can get what you're looking for in Monterrey, but I bet it's so far off the charts compared even to the cost of bar fining girls from the high end clubs, that the average Mexicano, and even the average Gringo, would truly cringe at the potential cost. I am sure it probably exists here in Monterrey, but that knowledge is far over my head.

None the less, I'll keep my eyes open. I saw a few blondes last night, keeping your request in the back of my mind as I prowled the clubs, but to classify them as Supermodel divas??? I wouldn't feel right about pointing you in their direction. I just believe you would be disappointed in them. They were "good," enough, good being a very subjective term, but they did not rise to the level of distinction you described in your post, and they were all still pure Mexicanas through and through.


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Thank you again Amigomio and Unospongebob.

Amigomio can correct me if I'm wrong regarding Mexico's social classes

To Unospongebob:

I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico and despite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, 60 millions are mestizos (mixture of europeans and indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the indigenous populations. From mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of european facial gestures if we add this fair skinned mestizos to the 10 million of the white population we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white of fair skinnes against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions mestizos who dark-skinned.

20 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country because we have 50 million of mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.

The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.

The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua.[/QUOTE]

That I know of, Isabel Madow is not a natural blonde....


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Thank you again Amigomio and Unospongebob.

Amigomio can correct me if I'm wrong regarding Mexico's social classes

To Unospongebob:

I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico. D
espite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, also 60 millions are Mestizos (mixture of Europeans and Indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the Indigenous populations. From Mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of European facial gestures if we add this number of fair skinned mestizos to the original 10 million who are pure white we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white or fair skinned against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions Mestizos who dark-skinned or have Indigenous facial gestures.

20 - 25 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is a number higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country, why? because we have 50 million Mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population, that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.

The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.

The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)[/QUOTE]

Strike,

That was great writing. Thank you for the info, which I thought, I knew and it was obvious to me, I wondered if other see it that way. But you confirmed.

But anyways, Ivonne Soto is so bleached.

Wasted.

[QUOTE=Strike 69]
I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico. D

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)[/QUOTE]

Strike: got your info on the Prestige website passes.
They work at anytime, unless marked. So the privado dances and the bottle of wine works for both afternoon and night shifts.....



[QUOTE=Strike 69]Thank you again Amigomio and Unospongebob.

Amigomio can correct me if I'm wrong regarding Mexico's social classes

To Unospongebob:

I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico. D
espite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, also 60 millions are Mestizos (mixture of Europeans and Indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the Indigenous populations. From Mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of European facial gestures if we add this number of fair skinned mestizos to the original 10 million who are pure white we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white or fair skinned against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions Mestizos who dark-skinned or have Indigenous facial gestures.

20 - 25 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is a number higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country, why? because we have 50 million Mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population, that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.

The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.

The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Strike: got your info on the Prestige website passes.
They work at anytime, unless marked. So the privado dances and the bottle of wine works for both afternoon and night shifts.....[/QUOTE]


Thank you Mister C (can I call you Mister C??? or just Amigomio??)... I would like to ask about the full service in high end clubs, you said all clubs are FS clubs because you are the expert I believe you, that means that I don't need to be a regular customer in these clubs in orde to have full service? Can I just arrive as newcomer and have full service with the girls with no problem? (of course by paying her price) is there any kind of procedure or just saying to the girl something like: ok.. let's fuck????... even in the Amnesia, Premier Prestige and Poisson you can have FS even thought you are a newcomer? In the Infinito inside the privados somebody told me that there are no private boots and its like a massive orgy you can see everybody's fucking like in porn movie is that true? BBBJ in the Infinito are charged extra?

Someboy recommended me a girl named Sandy they say is a very voluptous porn star body like (huge tits, really big ass, big hips, small waist and muscled legs....just the way I like woman) and they said she fucks like one and work in the Poisson but you can have her at the Infinito at a much better price... at which hour can I found her no matter whether she in in the Infinito or in the Poisson?? In the Poisson full service with her how much does it cost? They showed me a video in youtube called "limosina del poisson" in which she appears chating with other girls.....

UnospongeBob and Wasted:

More information regarding Mexico's racial struggle and discriminatory pratices can be found in those articles they are a must:

How Latino Intermarriage Breeds Racial Inequality
Steve Sailer
[url]http://www.isteve.com/HowLatinoIntermarriageBreedsInequality.htm[/url]


Diversity Is Strength!...But Not For Mexican Beauty Queens
Allan Wall
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More Evidence That Mexico Prefers White Beauty Queens
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There's a beer company which aimed Mexicans with some kind of psichological publicity ..... (Mexico's blonde obsession)... .they put a billboard in the US that said:

"Tan buena como la güera que te esta mirando"
"As good as the honky woman checking you out"

http://slapstickpolitics.b l o g s p o t .com/2007/09/bud-lights-spanish-billboards-as-good.html


Of course Budweiser know what Mexican Men likes: white women and beers and uses that knowledge against them.

And all of you if by mistake see a natural blonde (whether is a next looking type girl or porn model type) who works in the local sex market I will appreciate any information ( I like all type of girls as long as they are voluptous.. you know really big tits, big wet asses, big hips, small weist, long legs... but I would really like to have a couple of blonde candidates here in order to have more options and of course fun)

" In the Infinito inside the privados somebody told me that there are no private boots and its like a massive orgy you can see everybody's fucking like in porn movie is that true? BBBJ in the Infinito are charged extra? "

Don't worry about seeing others. It is VERY dark with black lights. So anything white (like used Kleenex or paper towels on the floor, or a white shirt) is immediately obvious, but you will see very little else. You may hear some action.

BBBJ is usually extra and many of the chicas will refuse. Depends on the girl, your charm and your wallet.

BTW, Strike you posted that you were in Monterrey last month doing all the strip clubs. Now you seem to be asking basic questions as to the Mty clubs. Whats up? Weren't you there before???????

PS - edited . . . Now that I think of it, I am describing the downstairs Privado area in Matehuala's!! I have had privados in 4 or 5 clubs, but NOT at Infinito!!! Sorry for the possible mis-information. Although it MAY be exactly the same . . .

PSS - Mill Just is "gone forever" . . .

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]"
BTW, Strike you posted that you were in Monterrey last month doing all the strip clubs. Now you seem to be asking basic questions as to the Mty clubs. Whats up? Weren't you there before???????[/QUOTE]

Not all just a couple, I focused more in the local escort/massage parlor escene as you can see from my post you added in the reports of distiction thread. I'm more a escort guy but I wanna have more options available in order to have fun and the escort market in Mty is not that big. And since Amigomio is such an expert I prefer to ask him every datail possible in order to avoid being scammed.

I wonder why the thread of Mill Just is locked now.... what happened????

Dark, same ... but a little different.

Matehuala's is more spread out with a huge open underground area like the old Roman orgies. Infinito however has center area booths as well and, unless I miss my guess, is about half the size of Matehuala's.

Dark it is ... for the first minute. Once your eyes get used to the light, or lack of it, it will be as clear as daylight. You will see all and hear all. You can even hold hands with the girl in the next booth while she is getting pounded. How do I know?

As girls pass by your booth, they will call out your name. As you pass by the girls in 'their' booths, they will call out your name. If you are a known customer, everyone will know when you're up there and who with. How do I know?

Kleenex or paper towels on the floor? It can get disgusting. Be careful putting all your weight on one leg. You could step on a used condom and slip. How do I know? Nope. Had not done this yet.

Private it is not. you are less than 10 feet facing another ugly naked guy (see 'Friends' [url]http://friends.wikia.com/wiki/Ugly_Naked_Guy[/url]) but trust me, no one is interested in seeing you naked.

It took me a year or even longer to finally do privados. I first thought, and I still do, that it is disgusting up there. But the girls are so delicious.

And finally, heat will get to you if you are there during summer days. They sometimes turn off the A/C to save money. But it's great when it's cold. You gotta love an ice cold little Spanish butt.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]" In the Infinito inside the privados somebody told me that there are no private boots and its like a massive orgy you can see everybody's fucking like in porn movie is that true? BBBJ in the Infinito are charged extra? "

Don't worry about seeing others. It is VERY dark with black lights. So anything white (like used Kleenex or paper towels on the floor, or a white shirt) is immediately obvious, but you will see very little else. You may hear some action.

BBBJ is usually extra and many of the chicas will refuse. Depends on the girl, your charm and your wallet.

BTW, Strike you posted that you were in Monterrey last month doing all the strip clubs. Now you seem to be asking basic questions as to the Mty clubs. Whats up? Weren't you there before???????

PS - edited . . . Now that I think of it, I am describing the downstairs Privado area in Matehuala's!! I have had privados in 4 or 5 clubs, but NOT at Infinito!!! Sorry for the possible mis-information. Although it MAY be exactly the same . . .

PSS - Mill Just is "gone forever" . . .[/QUOTE]

Has anyone pounded this girl porn star body type called Sandy in the Infinito or Poisson?

Nope... mostly the posters that post here do not go to Poisson and she seldom apears at Infinito.


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Has anyone pounded this girl porn star body type called Sandy in the Infinito or Poisson?[/QUOTE]

and it is not an every-day event that Wasted lets his upper head do the thinking ...

So as I was saying, I was think we should create a "What NOT to do" list. You know, just like we list clubs, hotels, costs, events ... etc. I though we would put our heads together and create a list of things you should not do while mongering in glorious Monterrey. For example, and we can say this is my input to get you guys going:

A few trips back, I decided to go for a hot girl that I had my eyes one for a while. So I romance her and ended taking her out for the night. When I was in the club the next day, one waiter asked how the girl was .... with a grin on his face. I thought he cared about me. ha. I proudly said she was hot. Very hot.

The girl did not like that and told me to never say that. I asked why the hell not? What do you care? Or as a matter of fact, don't you ‘want’ to be known as a hot girl? NOPE. The girls do not like that because those mof’o waiters, including the managers, maybe especially the managers, want to know which girls are hot so they can ..... those mofo’s .... so they can go after the girls themselves. They WANT to know of the hot girls. Those mofo’s use us to gage out the talent. I already knew that the girls date the waiters, the security guards and the washroom boys. But I never thought they would use me to find out which girls they should go after. Shit. They are worse than that Mastermind dude.

#1 - Never reveal intimate or personal info about the girls to the waiters. Or about yourself.

Carlos, why don't you tell us about how those waiters also expect a cut from the girls when you ask them to bring her to you?

Next time, I will talk about pre-paying the girls.

Wasted

I never talked about that cause I was so use to that system that I neglect it.

Yes, some waiters demand a cut off the drink commision from the girls and sometimes an all-around figure for what the customer drops on girls privados, etc.

That means that you Wasted, being a good customer to the Infinito, can cost the girls some money off their purses.

Notice some girls just ignore the waiters or sometimes ask another waiter different from the one carrying the tab for a drink???
It's easier for the girl at the Infi to ignore the waiters, but at the regular SCs it is virtualy an obligation to give the waiter an extra asides from the tip he gets, if the customer is good.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]and it is not an every-day event that Wasted lets his upper head do the thinking ...

So as I was saying, I was think we should create a "What NOT to do" list. You know, just like we list clubs, hotels, costs, events ... etc. I though we would put our heads together and create a list of things you should not do while mongering in glorious Monterrey. For example, and we can say this is my input to get you guys going:

A few trips back, I decided to go for a hot girl that I had my eyes one for a while. So I romance her and ended taking her out for the night. When I was in the club the next day, one waiter asked how the girl was .... with a grin on his face. I thought he cared about me. ha. I proudly said she was hot. Very hot.

The girl did not like that and told me to never say that. I asked why the hell not? What do you care? Or as a matter of fact, don't you ‘want’ to be known as a hot girl? NOPE. The girls do not like that because those mof’o waiters, including the managers, maybe especially the managers, want to know which girls are hot so they can ..... those mofo’s .... so they can go after the girls themselves. They WANT to know of the hot girls. Those mofo’s use us to gage out the talent. I already knew that the girls date the waiters, the security guards and the washroom boys. But I never thought they would use me to find out which girls they should go after. Shit. They are worse than that Mastermind dude.

Never reveal intimate or personal info about the girls to the waiters. Or about yourself.

Carlos, why don't you tell us about how those waiters also expect a cut from the girls when you ask them to bring her to you?

Next time, I will talk about pre-paying the girls.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

The entire "Waiter" thing in Monterrey is nothing but a drag on the entire scene.

Why do the waiters have any frickin' expectation whatsoever to participate in what money the girls generate?

The more money the girls extract from us in drinks, the higher the waiter's tip is with respect to their overall compensation. That is fair compensation because the waiter has to bring the drinks...fair compensation.

So, what benefit is attributable to the waiter if she is doing her job, and the customer spends wildly on her? Where was the waiter's influence??? Does management believe the waiter is responsible??? Does management really believe that we respond to their pain-in-the-ass antics at trying to get us to buy them more drinks? And if so, why aren't the proportionate tips not enough??? Why do the waiters have some kind of entitlement from the girls?

This is another f**cked up aspect of the Mexico P4P/club scene here in Monterrey. Again, somebody explain management's logic to me...



[QUOTE=Amigomio]I never talked about that cause I was so use to that system that I neglect it.

Yes, some waiters demand a cut off the drink commision from the girls and sometimes an all-around figure for what the customer drops on girls privados, etc.

That means that you Wasted, being a good customer to the Infinito, can cost the girls some money off their purses.

Notice some girls just ignore the waiters or sometimes ask another waiter different from the one carrying the tab for a drink???
It's easier for the girl at the Infi to ignore the waiters, but at the regular SCs it is virtualy an obligation to give the waiter an extra asides from the tip he gets, if the customer is good.[/QUOTE]

Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]This is another f**cked up aspect of the Mexico P4P/club scene here in Monterrey. Again, somebody explain management's logic to me...[/QUOTE]

It would seem to me that these waiters, working every single day in the presence of these girls, would have so much more direct knowledge of their popularity and appeal, that their knowing our assessment of the girls would be almost meaningless to them.

I mean, if in fact they actually have that kind of access to them day in and day out, which they obviously do, it would seem to me that the quality of various girls would be common knowledge among them.

On the other hand, I agree that the girls here in Monterrey do seem to avoid the notoriety that one would othewise assume would be naturally sought by them to promote their businesses, but that does not seem to be the case.

I've also witnessed that the girls do not like the notoriety of having a "reputation," not only among waiters, but even among patrons, even when one would assume that they, as hos, have nothing what-so-ever to hide, and that their natural desire would be to build a reputation of decadence.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]and it is not an every-day event that Wasted lets his upper head do the thinking ...

So as I was saying, I was think we should create a "What NOT to do" list. You know, just like we list clubs, hotels, costs, events ... etc. I though we would put our heads together and create a list of things you should not do while mongering in glorious Monterrey. For example, and we can say this is my input to get you guys going:

A few trips back, I decided to go for a hot girl that I had my eyes one for a while. So I romance her and ended taking her out for the night. When I was in the club the next day, one waiter asked how the girl was .... with a grin on his face. I thought he cared about me. ha. I proudly said she was hot. Very hot.

The girl did not like that and told me to never say that. I asked why the hell not? What do you care? Or as a matter of fact, don't you ‘want’ to be known as a hot girl? NOPE. The girls do not like that because those mof’o waiters, including the managers, maybe especially the managers, want to know which girls are hot so they can ..... those mofo’s .... so they can go after the girls themselves. They WANT to know of the hot girls. Those mofo’s use us to gage out the talent. I already knew that the girls date the waiters, the security guards and the washroom boys. But I never thought they would use me to find out which girls they should go after. Shit. They are worse than that Mastermind dude.

Never reveal intimate or personal info about the girls to the waiters. Or about yourself.

Carlos, why don't you tell us about how those waiters also expect a cut from the girls when you ask them to bring her to you?

Next time, I will talk about pre-paying the girls.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Ok, first thing on the list...

If you find a girl you like here in Monterrey, disclose nothing about her specifically. Realize that to promote her to others is to shorten her relatively short life span in the clubs. The girls have a shelf life, and their relative superior performance is directly related to their freshness for you. If you want to wear them out, promote them to every monger that comes along.

Now, you guys post #2, #3, #4, etc...

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

#4 - Do not pre-pay the girl or lend her money.

I do not mean as you arrange with the club. No. I mean if the girl asks you to pay her privately. On the side. Before she delivers. Kiss your money goodbye.

If you are new to the club, the club may ask you to pay them on behalf of the girl before you two leave and this OKl. Otherwise, you are expected to pay her after you’re done with her. Of course I am talking about taking her back with you.

But for the privados, the norm is to pay the girl while in the booth. Some will ask you to pay upfront if they do not know you. And yes, they will get you change. But the norm is to pay them before you exit the privados.

Now if the girl asks you lend her money, that's a different story. She is either very close to you or she's playing you for a fool. Either way, that is money gone. You will never get it back.

For those of you who are wondering if I am speaking from firsthand experience, yes I am. Such knowledge does not come free. But not to worry. Wasted got his money's worht back ... in folds.

HOWEVER, never attempt to withhold payment. You will be risking a broken jaw or a couple of ribs. Not worth it at all.

Wasted

#5 - Say no to drugs.

imagine getting caught in a sex club by the Mexican Federally with drugs in your position... can you imagine? No you can not.

the local newspaper had photos of the girls coming down the stage as the club was raided. I witnessed the officers frisk the entire club staff and every single customer. They had each one stand up and empty their pockets. Other officers walked the club looking on the floor for any dumped drugs. Lights were on for the first time ever. Officers were eyeing each and every customer. Female officers raided the girls’ lockers. Then walked out empty handed.

Now imagine YOU carrying drugs. You will be made an example of. You will be their drug raid fruit. You will be famous ... for three days and then you're a goner.

I also witnessed police on bike stop dudes on t he sidewalk. Same routine. Empty your pockets and full search.

I was told I should not even carry the blue pill. Even though it is sold in pharmacies without prescription. I don't know but Carlos insisted.

Wasted

Yes, I agree, this is part of the vicious circle... again do not try to analize something that is ingrained in the system.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, let's not 'analyze'. Let's just create the list.

You're not going to fix the system. We will create a list for other mongers. Simple.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Yes, I agree, this is part of the vicious circle... again do not try to analize something that is ingrained in the system.[/QUOTE]


You run away from explaining the system, one that were we to understand it better, might benefit us all collectively in formulating our strategies. But, more accurately, I believe you avoid explanation of the issue because the concept of having TEN times the number of waiters for every girl in the bar here in Monterrey defies any reasonable explanation.

Running away from these realities doesn't create a better understanding, or develop one's game with any precision. The Elephant in the living room is still an Elephant in the living room whether you ignore it or not.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but merely pointing out that the Mexico model is unique in the World and does not serve our game well.

We were bringing up recommendations were we not??? Do and don'ts, right? Certainly, there are a million "dos and dont's" that involve this plethera of waiters in the bars. Lets touch on the dos and don'ts concerning waiters. Be back later to see what you have contributed with respect to recommendations concerning the handling of this problem unique to the Mexico venue.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]
I was told I should not even carry the blue pill. Even though it is sold in pharmacies without prescription. I don't know but Carlos insisted.

Wasted[/QUOTE]Hello gentlemans,

the blue pill is legal in Mexico without prescription, you can go to any pharmacy and buy it for around 125.00 pesos in 50 grams or 100 grams.

You can also get levitra and cialis; Cialis is a little bit more expensive, the cheper I got it is 137.00 pesos and yo can buy any of them legaly.

HEB, Walmart, Soriana or any of the pharmacys.

Be safe

I can't explain the system... the system is the system, the same way the house is geared to always win.

I don't care what goes on behind the bar as long as it doesn't hurt my wallet.
It is something that doesn't concern us customers.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]You run away from explaining the system, one that were we to understand it better, might benefit us all collectively in formulating our strategies. But, more accurately, I believe you avoid explanation of the issue because the concept of having TEN times the number of waiters for every girl in the bar here in Monterrey defies any reasonable explanation.

Running away from these realities doesn't create a better understanding, or develop one's game with any precision. The Elephant in the living room is still an Elephant in the living room whether you ignore it or not.

I am not trying to be confrontational, but merely pointing out that the Mexico model is unique in the World and does not serve our game well.

We were bringing up recommendations were we not??? Do and don'ts, right? Certainly, there are a million "dos and dont's" that involve this plethera of waiters in the bars. Lets touch on the dos and don'ts concerning waiters. Be back later to see what you have contributed with respect to recommendations concerning the handling of this problem unique to the Mexico venue.[/QUOTE]

I will be back in Monterrey after several months away. Infinto worked well last time and I will probably try again. Thank you for the valuable ibformation and especially Carlos for his insight. I will report on my findings.

And if you have any extra questions, please ask them....
Be gald to help.

[QUOTE=Maxout]I will be back in Monterrey after several months away. Infinto worked well last time and I will probably try again. Thank you for the valuable ibformation and especially Carlos for his insight. I will report on my findings.[/QUOTE]

Was at Infinito tonight and had a great time. A very friendly environment. Struck up converstations with several locals. My spanish is not good, so the communication was difficult, but everyone was friendly. There was one girl I would rate a 9, two girls I would call an 8 and one or two 7's all of the others in the 4-6 range. One of the 7's, I can not remember her name (but a reasonably cute blonde), convinced me for a Privado. She pushed me hard for a hotel date at a very high price, but I declined. Privado dances were nothing special which convinced me even more not to pursue the hotel option.

I had my eye on a very cute little brunette named Barbie (the 9). She was very busy with Privados and hard to get to before someone else jumped in. During a short down time between Privados I approached her. She was one of the few girls in the bar that actually smiled and gave me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. Despite being constantly pulled into Privados, she had a very nice and fesh demeanor. I asked her for a Privado and I was not dissapointed. She was not pushy at all, never tried to upsell (I had to ask her), and when I tried to tip her 50 pesos extra after the session she gave it back and my spanish was not good enough to explain.

In summary, a great time at reasonable rates with a very beautiful. I think some of the locals even got a kick out of watching me try to navigate my was around the club with very little spanish skills.

Two thumbs up!

Barbie??? you are the first to talk good of her.
Well, many are dissapointed cause she doesn't do salidas....

Anyway.... if you want to barfine a girl, pay her salida, the cost is 350 pesos for the barfine and 1000 pesos tops for the girl.

No more hassel than that.

I'll be around the Infinito early tonight.... right in between the change of shifts.




[QUOTE=Maxout]Was at Infinito tonight and had a great time. A very friendly environment. Struck up converstations with several locals. My spanish is not good, so the communication was difficult, but everyone was friendly. There was one girl I would rate a 9, two girls I would call an 8 and one or two 7's all of the others in the 4-6 range. One of the 7's, I can not remember her name (but a reasonably cute blonde), convinced me for a Privado. She pushed me hard for a hotel date at a very high price, but I declined. Privado dances were nothing special which convinced me even more not to pursue the hotel option.

I had my eye on a very cute little brunette named Barbie (the 9). She was very busy with Privados and hard to get to before someone else jumped in. During a short down time between Privados I approached her. She was one of the few girls in the bar that actually smiled and gave me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. Despite being constantly pulled into Privados, she had a very nice and fesh demeanor. I asked her for a Privado and I was not dissapointed. She was not pushy at all, never tried to upsell (I had to ask her), and when I tried to tip her 50 pesos extra after the session she gave it back and my spanish was not good enough to explain.

In summary, a great time at reasonable rates with a very beautiful. I think some of the locals even got a kick out of watching me try to navigate my was around the club with very little spanish skills.

Two thumbs up![/QUOTE]

I went back to Infinito again last nite. Sorry I missed you Amigomio, but was not able to get there until 11 pm. I hope to see you on my next trip.

Had another Privado with Barbie. I was tired and we did not have same chemistry as the nite before, but still an enjoyable time. I would reccomend her.

The staff and crowd were friendly. I look forward to returning soon.

Max

Thanks for the report Maxout...glad you had a nice time. There are a couple of English Speaking waiters there at El Infinito if you need some assistance in the future. There used to be at least two, Elias and one other, maybe another too, but I believe Elias has since moved on to greener pastures, but the one other guy I know well was still there last month. Carlos, do you recall his name? It might be helpful for others to know whom to ask for if they get in a bind and just need some communication assistance.

Sometimes these waiters that know English can be a mixed blessing. Sometimes you get the straight scoop from English speaking waiters, and sometimes they are merely guiding us in the direction of girls that will give them a propina for recommending them. But, the one guy that I know is still there in particular speaks English almost fluently, and his motivations seem to be relatively legit.

But, of course, they knowing some of us as regulars as they do, they might tow the line more readily with me (us), at least with respect to their own alterior motives, than they do if they're "assisting" an occassional Gringo visitor, so YMMV. And, of course, sometimes the hunt on your own is half the fun anyway.

That is so interesting about Barbie giving back your tip. That sounds like a first. Maybe she thought you wanted more and she was expecting like 400-600 pesos :-))) Next time, just say "su propina," and she'll get the idea.

Carlos, Barbie is HOT, and she is personable and friendly, a nice girl, etc...Most are not kind in their assessment of her because she doesn't do much, no salidas, relatively reserved in the privados, etc...I don't even know how far she will go in the privados. She is married, and she will tell you that up front, so much of her restrictions are widely known among the clientelle, and they are probably hard on her because she does not put-out like they anticipate. But, I like her demeanor. Maxout, how far did she go in the privados, just grinding a little on your lap and some good touchy-feely, or did she go further? Just curious...

I remember, last year just before Christmas time, I was in El Infinito. I had bought some perfumes for my favoritas, and I was intent on distributing them around MTY to the various girls. These perfumes were available in Walmart for about $3, name branded stuff, in decent sized bottles that were relatively impressive for the money. Anyway, my last night in town, I recall having a bottle of perfume left over, after I had given away bottles to all the deserving, and some not so deserving, girls in town. Anyway, I came to El Infinito looking to kill the last few hours that I was in town, and not wanting to transport this left over bottle of perfume, I decided that I would find a deserving, or even an undeserving, girl to pawn it off on. So, Barbie was there on the floor. I whisked her into the privados, gave her a cookie, and a bottle of perfume, telling her "feliz navidad." She about fell off the chair, I mean my lap :-))) I never really normally patronize her when I visit El Infinito, only occassionally to say hello as we are friends.

The regular visitors, and the regular Mexicano clientelle know what to expect from her so they're hard on her with respect to recommending her to others. But, generally, she's a nice girl. And, if you aren't used to getting their attentions to the level that some of us may experience the girls due to knowing them as well as we do, then she is definitely a good "hard body" distraction to comfort the comparatively depraved masses of Gringos that are otherwise void of any stimulation here in the US. You Mexicanos are spoiled by the plethera of girls that will do anything and everything, knowing where to find them, and having immediate, unfettered access to them, generally for a discount compared to the average Gringo. But, to we that are exiled here in the US, to get a full body slam with Barbie would be considered a relatively titilating treat.

In making our assessments, it occurs to me that as a visiting Gringo, in order to give a legitimate assessment from the Gringo perspective, I sometimes have to harken back to the days of yesteryear when I first came to Monterrey to recall the absolute euphoria of being turned looose for even a half hour in a place like El Infinito.

[QUOTE=Maxout]Was at Infinito tonight and had a great time. A very friendly environment. Struck up converstations with several locals. My spanish is not good, so the communication was difficult, but everyone was friendly. There was one girl I would rate a 9, two girls I would call an 8 and one or two 7's all of the others in the 4-6 range. One of the 7's, I can not remember her name (but a reasonably cute blonde), convinced me for a Privado. She pushed me hard for a hotel date at a very high price, but I declined. Privado dances were nothing special which convinced me even more not to pursue the hotel option.

I had my eye on a very cute little brunette named Barbie (the 9). She was very busy with Privados and hard to get to before someone else jumped in. During a short down time between Privados I approached her. She was one of the few girls in the bar that actually smiled and gave me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. Despite being constantly pulled into Privados, she had a very nice and fesh demeanor. I asked her for a Privado and I was not dissapointed. She was not pushy at all, never tried to upsell (I had to ask her), and when I tried to tip her 50 pesos extra after the session she gave it back and my spanish was not good enough to explain.

In summary, a great time at reasonable rates with a very beautiful. I think some of the locals even got a kick out of watching me try to navigate my was around the club with very little spanish skills.

Two thumbs up![/QUOTE]

Had a last minute trip to Monterrey this past Sunday & Monday. Unfortunately, had to work Sunday. But managed to get out around 10:00 Monday night.

Went to Infinito. Arrived just at shift change. What a time to arrive. Saw a beautiful girl with short black hair & a body that would not quit. Immediately went to privado. And it was outstanding. Increadibly sexy session. Unfortunately, my limited spanish continues to interfere with after session discussions. When we got back down, not much of interest (especially compared to the prior session.), so decided to try one of the other clubs in the area.

Thanks to the incredible maps by Carlos & the descriptions by you all, my night just got better.

Tangalay was VERY poor. Walked in & all the girls were on stage. Not a girl over a 5. So left for Givienchy (sp? ) across the street. Much better talent. And a waiter that spoke some English. And showed me around. VIP room is a good idea. And inexpensive (200 pesos? For 2 hours). But trying anything on the small couches would be a challenge. Anyway had two privados with fairly attractive women. But no chemistry. So armed with Carlos' map. Walked to Matahula.

It is now around 12:45. And the night shift is OUTSTANDING! Was met by an attractive woman with long black hair & black outfit. Very friendly. And aggressive. Incredible privado with FS (total 400 pesos). Very nice. And the night got better. Saw a young lady. Said she was 22. And she spoke english. What a difference being able to converse. And after a drink (about 15 minutes. So not taking advantage) we went downstairs. 7 songs later and the first GFE service I've had in a chair. We went back upstairs. Another drink. And I had to leave (it was 3:30. And I had a 6:30 flight.). Incredible time.

Thanks to all of you for the great tips, the maps & descriptions. And for all of you that are looking for a safe, inexpensive, place. Go on down. It is awesome!

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UnospongeBob,

Concerning the waiters, there was an English speaking bartender / waiter at Infinito. He said his name was Macho. He was helpfull, maybe a little pushy, but not a problem.

Your comments about Barbie raise a few questions of my own. I do not see that much discussion in this forum about the details of activities with the girls. And I have read the discussion about keeping the good talent quiet. Could providing details of an experience get any of these girls in trouble?

Given that there are many places in the US with no nudity or contact and $30 per song "no touch" couch dances, it is easy to be overwhelmed by a full contact lap dance with a hot chica for 50 pesos a song.

Maxout, thing with waiters at the Infinito is that the whole system that makes the Infinito work is pushy.
Means not only the waiters are pushy, but also the girls. Some are extremely agresive in their way they solicit privados, some will ignore you at the first sign of doubt coming from you when asked if you want a privado.

About the girls at the Infinito, when you are dealing with a manifest of 30-40 girls at the same time, it is very hard to single out the activites with them... so many that anything told will be diluted due to the amount of girls.

By the way, claryfing about Barbie.... she's back again. Was gone for several months. She'll claim she is 19, but is 23.
She is married, she will do a lot of stuff incall at the Inifinito, but for guys like Unspongebob she is a waste of time cause USB wants salidas with the girls...

And that's another thing. Things at the Infinito tend to move so fast that one man's bounty is another man's curse: your case, you liked Barbie, a girl I don't like at all.

By the way, you are doing the night shift at the Infinito... believe it or not, none of us go for the night shift girls, I don't even know a single Infinito girl at the night shift.

Right now, you are the one that is passing new news to this forum directly from the night shift.

On my behalf I prefer the girls on the moderate priced clubs on Madero Ave. clubs where both Unspongebob and Wasted don't go to.

They just don't like my tastes in "tall and wide" girls...



[QUOTE=Maxout]UnospongeBob,

Concerning the waiters, there was an English speaking bartender / waiter at Infinito. He said his name was Macho. He was helpfull, maybe a little pushy, but not a problem.

Your comments about Barbie raise a few questions of my own. I do not see that much discussion in this forum about the details of activities with the girls. And I have read the discussion about keeping the good talent quiet. Could providing details of an experience get any of these girls in trouble?

Given that there are many places in the US with no nudity or contact and $30 per song "no touch" couch dances, it is easy to be overwhelmed by a full contact lap dance with a hot chica for 50 pesos a song.[/QUOTE]

Maxout,

Depends on the club whether the girls could potentially get into trouble. Some of the clubs specifically prohibit the girls from seeing customers of the club outside the club. If they are caught doing it, they are fired on the spot. So, the girls are very careful. And, if by posting their names, clubs, etc...their extra curricular activities are revealed, then they risk losing their jobs, should one of their bosses happen to find out. But, not all the clubs have those kinds of restrictions. Some girls are free to engage in whatever behavior they choose outside of their work environment.

And, I agree with you that compared to the USA, where you can not touch them for less than about $200 in the VIPs, a delight that is only permitted in the most liberal of cities in the USA, there simply is no comparison. Try having the kind of fun you had with Barbie, all be it of a relatively tame nature compared to what you may have been able to experience with others of them, and certainly compared to what you are typically restricted from doing in most US strip clubs, especially ones located in the Midwest or the Bible Belt of the United States. Well, there is no comparison.

And, yes, as Carlos indicated, while I like Barbie, and enjoy sitting and chatting with her in the privados, maybe having a feel or two, etc...just on rare occassion, she is ultimately a waste of time for me because she doesn't go out. But, then, all girls are a waste of time for me now.

I am married to my favorite girl, being asked to tow the line in exchange for affections that are not otherwise available from the regular selection in Monterrey. So, I am, for all intents and purposes, pussy whipped at this juncture, but happily so.

[QUOTE=Maxout]UnospongeBob,

Concerning the waiters, there was an English speaking bartender / waiter at Infinito. He said his name was Macho. He was helpfull, maybe a little pushy, but not a problem.

Your comments about Barbie raise a few questions of my own. I do not see that much discussion in this forum about the details of activities with the girls. And I have read the discussion about keeping the good talent quiet. Could providing details of an experience get any of these girls in trouble?

Given that there are many places in the US with no nudity or contact and $30 per song "no touch" couch dances, it is easy to be overwhelmed by a full contact lap dance with a hot chica for 50 pesos a song.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Precocious One]Strike 69,

I did a bleached-blonde(only one that works there) at Misses for 2100 pesos for one hour. Don't remember her name, but she was an absolute ten. Also, she stated that the girls basically split the fee with the house on a 50/50 basis. Other girls were cheaper but this girl was perfect. 5'2", 100 pounds, size 1, seductive tan lines, real b-cups, no c-section, scars or tattos and a fun attitude. She stated that she was available for outside dating and I am sure if she liked you a better value could be had (2000 pesos for 2-3 hours was implied). Anyway, I recommend Misses to any monger although it is expensive. It is a first-class MP in a safe and comfortable neighborhood very close to the clubs.

As for true blondes, they are available in the Colonial del Valle and Valle Montana section on a non-pro basis. They appear to be of European descent. The majority of these women are very, very wealthy. Comparable in net worth to Redondo Beach, CA and Manhattan Beach, CA, respectively. There are two bars next to each other within the Sanborne shopping center in the Colonia Del Valle sector if you want to try your luck, and scoring one of these rich girls will land you in the Monterrey Mongering Hall of Fame. However, it can be done. A bar owner in San Pedro that I patronize told me of an American "runner" (US criminal problems) that landed one of these Colonial del Valle women. I wanted to meet this guy and hear his story, but he apparantly ended up running somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Nibu,

I believe that you were referring to this post. There are two upscale bars, side-by-side, that are in the Sanborne shopping center. Any taxi will know. One is very upscale and the other more casual with a western theme.

The Colonial del Valle and nearby Montana women, as well as the men, are very wealthy and generally from "old money". But unlike their US counterparts, many there are very friendly and unpretentious.

Ever watch a lion eat a cute little deer while his mother watches helplessly? Do you see how the mother just walks away after it's all done? Ever wonder how the mother must feel?

I went to El Cielo to look for a lost love when a sweet girl from across the club got up and started to walk in my direction. Woo, I know this girl. She's Mr. L's love from Infinito.

What the heck are you doing here? This is no place for you? She cuddled next to me and told me the shocking details of how 'MY" sweet P stole her boyfriend. The girl was in tears and so sad. She says 'MY' sweet P has been dating 'her' boyfriend for some period of time before she found out. Mind you that Sweet P and this girl have been very good friends. Or at least it looked like it to me.

SO she left the Infinito to get away from the girls who she says is not talk to them anymore. She stayed home for a week crying her heart out over the loss of a boyfriend and the deception of a good friend.

Then I dared ask who the boyfriend was. I should not have asked that stupid question. What business do I have knowing who the boyfriend was? Even if it is 'MY' sweet P? Yes. I do not care if and who and when and what she is dating. But I asked the question.

This boyfriend the girls are fighting over is a doorman at Infinito.

A doorman.

Those Bastards... :-))) Taking our girls away from us....I am grief stricken over the prospect.

I told you to make your move... :-))))

It just goes to illustrate what Carlos has always said, they are doing the doorman, the taxi driver, the waiter, the guy that cleans the windshield on your car, etc...

The stark reality of their true existence is depressing, verdad? They have no prespect for anything really good in their lives, not anything.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Ever watch a lion eat a cute little deer while his mother watches helplessly? Do you see how the mother just walks away after it's all done? Ever wonder how the mother must feel?

I went to El Cielo to look for a lost love when a sweet girl from across the club got up and started to walk in my direction. Woo, I know this girl. She's Mr. L's love from Infinito.

What the heck are you doing here? This is no place for you? She cuddled next to me and told me the shocking details of how 'MY" sweet P stole her boyfriend. The girl was in tears and so sad. She says 'MY' sweet P has been dating 'her' boyfriend for some period of time before she found out. Mind you that Sweet P and this girl have been very good friends. Or at least it looked like it to me.

SO she left the Infinito to get away from the girls who she says is not talk to them anymore. She stayed home for a week crying her heart out over the loss of a boyfriend and the deception of a good friend.

Then I dared ask who the boyfriend was. I should not have asked that stupid question. What business do I have knowing who the boyfriend was? Even if it is 'MY' sweet P? Yes. I do not care if and who and when and what she is dating. But I asked the question.

This boyfriend the girls are fighting over is a doorman at Infinito.

A doorman.[/QUOTE]

Why is it depressing???

I mean, we are talking same social class... same background, same education.

Iam quite sure this kind of thing happens in the US too, maybe not in the same naturalistic harsh way, but am sure it does.

Thing is you have never come up face to face with this kind of stuff.

Am sure that Wasted, who told me this story, noticed that I didn't even blinked.... same old same old for me.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Those Bastards... :-))) Taking our girls away from us....I am grief stricken over the prospect.

I told you to make your move... :-))))

It just goes to illustrate what Carlos has always said, they are doing the doorman, the taxi driver, the waiter, the guy that cleans the windshield on your car, etc...

The stark reality of their true existence is depressing, verdad? They have no prespect for anything really good in their lives, not anything.[/QUOTE]

Well, you know me...bleeding heart conservative that I am. :-))) I am just concerned for their well being, certainly more so than I should be. I know that, and accept it as foolish on my part. I just have too soft a heart. :D

You Mexicanos are the more liberal leaning, and stereotypically, you are supposed to be more bleeding heart than those of us that are moderately conservative, we that are comparatively conservative having undeserved stereotypical reputations for hardened and uncaring hearts. It is quite the opposite. Where is your compassion for your girls mi amigo? Por Favor... :D

The reality here in the US is that if a girl is HOT, she actually has quite a good shot at breaking out of her social class, if she is smart. I have seen it countless times. A girl born as trailer trash, rising to elevated social status through marriage, primarily due to she being a really HOT babe. On the other hand, many of the girls that remain in our lower classes, are girls that are NOT attractive. The good looking ones seem to do quite well in life comparatively. Seldom do you see a HOT girl mired in the lower social classes in the US, certainly not usually in the economic lower social classes. Of course, it occurs, but not nearly to the statistical degree that it seems evident in Mexico.

Obviously, we do still have HOT girls in the lower social classes. Most of them are limited by their own lower social class upbringing, lacking whatever acumen is necessary to achieve an elevated status in conjunction with their beauty. They are limited intrinsically, and not necessary by the social structure in the US, with the exception of African Americans, possibly, and that is changing also. In other words, many of our HOT lower class girls want to stay in their social class, they like being lower class girls, and are most comfortable in that environment. They are not trapped in that environment by social class, through no fault of their own, such as is the case in Mexico.

Comparatively, I think that fact alone, the difference between the availability of HOT girls in Mexico is directly comparable to the statistically much smaller number of HOT girls available in the US from the lower social classes, where they would also be more available to us for our purposes due to economics and the lower class social conscience were our societies structured equally.

That is our dilema here. We simply do not have, statistically, per capita, the numbers of lower class candidates that are ready and willing HOTTIES, not the same numbers that prevail in Mexico. It all relates back, IMHO, to the statistically smaller numbers of girls mired in the lower classes here in the US, thereby reducing our pool of availability of HOT lower social class candidates for our kind of fun.

It seems in Mexico, that no matter how HOT or smart they are, the restrictions placed on them by social class keeps them, a huge number in comparison, confined to a relatively austere lifestyle, regardless of their beauty and intellegence, therby providing the catayst necessary for a higher number of girls making themselves available for our kind of fun.

And, more importantly, while our lower class girls have "hope" and realistically asprire to achieve a higher class distinction because it is attainable, the Mexicanas, HOT or NOT, in the lower social classes have NONE, thereby forcing them to consider a lifestyle that many of our lower class girls would not consider, primarily due to their having hope for their improved futures in comparison. Elevation in social class in the US is attainable, whereas it is not possible within Mexican society, thereby removing all hope from millions of otherwise chaste Mexicanas. That is why WastedG's "P" girl is with the doorman, amoung other reasons. She has no hope of achieving anything better.

But, then again, the way beauty is perceived is different for Gringos versus Mexicanos. In my eyes some of the most beautiful girls are mired in the lower social classes, the dark skinned bunnys, while the girls that have light skin and colored eyes, even if they are only moderately attractive in comparison, and lack the inherent intellegence and cunning of some of the girls I have known from the clubs, seem to have elevated status in Mexican society.

I have come to grips with that reality...fact is, I revel in it. Thank God our girls are accessible. In the US, you would NEVER, EVER, have a shot at them. Even the hos in the US are not as attractive as the general population of hos available to us in Mexico. It all revolves around social class, and lack of opportunity on account of social status, unfortunate for them on the one hand, and a blessing for us, and you, on the other.

This is an interesting discussion. I would be interested to know what the other Gringos here think with respect to their perceptions of the comparison between the girls of the lower classes in the US and Mexico. Maybe I am all wet, but it just seems that whenever I am in the lower class neighborhoods of the US, there is a disproportionately larger number of UGLY girls comparatively. Could this be through generational attrition? Ugly begots ugly? Uglies banished to the lower social classes in the US. Lower social class distinction begots uglier and uglier women? Not the case in Mexico...

When I am in the lower class neighborhoods of Mexico, there are huge numbers of really HOT girls. But, then again, the poverty level in Mexico encompasses about 75 per cent of the population, which also directly correlates to economic and social opportunity. See the comparative analogy?

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Why is it depressing???

I mean, we are talking same social class... same background, same education.

Iam quite sure this kind of thing happens in the US too, maybe not in the same naturalistic harsh way, but am sure it does.

Thing is you have never come up face to face with this kind of stuff.

Am sure that Wasted, who told me this story, noticed that I didn't even blinked.... same old same old for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Well, you know me...bleeding heart conservative that I am. :-))) I am just concerned for their well being, certainly more so than I should be. I know that, and accept it as foolish on my part. I just have too soft a heart.

The reality here in the US is that if a girl is HOT, she actually has quite a good shot at breaking out of her social class, if she is smart. I have seen it countless times. A girl born as trailer trash, rising to elevated social status through marriage, primarily due to she being a really HOT babe. On the other hand, many of the girls that remain in our lower classes, are girls that are NOT attractive. The good looking ones seem to do quite well in life comparatively. Seldom do you see a HOT girl mired in the lower social classes in the US, certainly not usually in the economic lower social classes. Of course, it occurs, but not nearly to the statistical degree that it seems evident in Mexico.

Obviously, we do still have HOT girls in the lower social classes. Most of them are limited by their own lower social class upbringing, lacking whatever acumen is necessary to achieve an elevated status in conjunction with their beauty. They are limited intrinsically, and not necessary by the social structure in the US, with the exception of African Americans, possibly, and that is changing also. In other words, many of our HOT lower class girls want to stay in their social class, they like being lower class girls, and are most comfortable in that environment. They are not trapped in that environment by social class, through no fault of their own, such as is the case in Mexico.

Comparatively, I think that fact alone, the difference between the availability of HOT girls in Mexico is directly comparable to the statistically much smaller number of HOT girls available in the US from the lower social classes, where they would also be more available to us for our purposes due to economics and the lower class social conscience were our societies structured equally.

That is our dilema here. We simply do not have, statistically, per capita, the numbers of lower class candidates that are ready and willing HOTTIES, not the same numbers that prevail in Mexico It all relates back, IMHO, to the statistically smaller numbers of girls mired in the lower classes, thereby reducing our pool of availability of HOT lower social class candidates.

It seems in Mexico, that no matter how HOT or smart they are, the restrictions placed on them by social class keeps them, a huge number in comparison, confined to a relatively austere lifestyle, regardless of their beauty and intellegence, therby providing the catayst necessary for a higher number of girls making themselves available for our kind of fun.

But, then again, the way beauty is perceived is different for Gringos versus Mexicanos. In my eyes some of the most beautiful girls are mired in the lower social classes, the dark skinned bunnys, while the girls that have light skin and colored eyes, even if they are only moderately attractive in comparison, and lack the inherent intellegence and cunning of some of the girls I have known from the clubs, seem to have elevated status in Mexican society.

I have come to grips with that reality...fact is, I revel in it. Thank God our girls are accessible. In the US, you would NEVER, EVER, have a shot at them. Even the hos in the US are not as attractive as the general population of hos available to us in Mexico. It all revolves around social class, and lack of opportunity on account of social status, unfortunate for them on the one hand, and a blessing for us, and you, on the other.

This is an interesting discussion. I would be interested to know what the other Gringos here think with respect to their perceptions of the comparison between the girls of the lower classes in the US and Mexico. Maybe I am all wet, but it just seems that whenever I am in the lower class neighborhoods of the US, there are a disproportionately larger number of UGLY girls comparatively.

On the other hand, when I am in the lower class neighborhoods of Mexico, there are huge numbers of really HOT girls. But, then again, the poverty level in Mexico encompasses about 75 per cent of the population, which also directly correlates to economic and social opportunity. See the analogy?[/QUOTE]

I think what you say is pretty much true. The same applies to the Dominican Republic where I go a lot. There you, a middle aged man, can have a stunningly beautiful girl of 21 as your steady girlfriend in every sense of the word, except that you provide financial support and you don't get gifts from her. You can marry her and have kids with her if you wish, because you have the status, the money, the white skin that all spell prestige and advancement for her. And she will love the shit out of you too.

I also spend a lot time with bottom social level Americans too, some of whom are my tenants, so have some observations there.

In the bottom social level of the US all women are also prostitutes to some extent, at least to the extent that any relationship they enter into will be with an eye to financial benefits of some kind.

Unfortunately this applies mostly to the unattractive ones, as the attractive ones have a bit more leverage and can advance themselves, though they are not helped by the poor standard of public education in the US.

Even so, among non hispanic Americans and African Americans there is still quite a taboo against intergenerational dating, and this applies much less in the latin countries.

The women who work as street prostitutes in the US (I have no direct experience) and in strip clubs seem to be largely drug addicts and alcoholics lacking in education and employment skills and are rarely attractive.

Some of the women who work as escorts are quite attractive, though not usually as young as the girls you can have in latin countries, but provide a rather expensive and impersonal experience and they are not needy enough to make the sex really hot. It is more like a sexual massage experience. I have experienced a few, though not in recent years.

One point that people persistently overlook, but is huge, is that prostitution is illegal in the US, (slight exceptions for Nevada brothels), but legal in latin countries.

Even if the women were attractive in the US, I would not want to be going out doing something that could get me arrested and possibly lose me my job, not when there is a legal alternative that is much better anyway.

Hola Frannie,

I've got to make it to the DR one of these days. It is as you describe it in other venues as well, the PI, Thailand, Colombia, Cambodia, Indonesia, etc...Everywhere but the US.

Carlos asked "why is it depressing," it occurs to me that here I sit, in the wasteland of the cold and fridgid USA with a plethera of tantilizing possibiities...

Que Lastima!!! :D

[QUOTE=Frannie]I think what you say is pretty much true. The same applies to the Dominican Republic where I go a lot. There you, a middle aged man, can have a stunningly beautiful girl of 21 as your steady girlfriend in every sense of the word, except that you provide financial support and you don't get gifts from her. You can marry her and have kids with her if you wish, because you have the status, the money, the white skin that all spell prestige and advancement for her. And she will love the shit out of you too.

I also spend a lot time with bottom social level Americans too, some of whom are my tenants, so have some observations there.

In the bottom social level of the US all women are also prostitutes to some extent, at least to the extent that any relationship they enter into will be with an eye to financial benefits of some kind.

Unfortunately this applies mostly to the unattractive ones, as the attractive ones have a bit more leverage and can advance themselves, though they are not helped by the poor standard of public education in the US.

Even so, among non hispanic Americans and African Americans there is still quite a taboo against intergenerational dating, and this applies much less in the latin countries.

The women who work as street prostitutes in the US (I have no direct experience) and in strip clubs seem to be largely drug addicts and alcoholics lacking in education and employment skills and are rarely attractive.

Some of the women who work as escorts are quite attractive, though not usually as young as the girls you can have in latin countries, but provide a rather expensive and impersonal experience and they are not needy enough to make the sex really hot. It is more like a sexual massage experience. I have experienced a few, though not in recent years.

One point that people persistently overlook, but is huge, is that prostitution is illegal in the US, (slight exceptions for Nevada brothels), but legal in latin countries.

Even if the women were attractive in the US, I would not want to be going out doing something that could get me arrested and possibly lose me my job, not when there is a legal alternative that is much better anyway.[/QUOTE]

I want to say one thing to USB, even if the US is your country, I don't think you have contact with the real lower layers of your society.
I mean, you are surprised by the attitude of the girls here... that kind of attitude is normal within an encapsulated segment of the society that has been placed there by the powerful upper levels.

And Frannie... am sorry to tell you, but prostitution is not legal anywhere in Mexico, Central America nor South America.
It is tolerated, but not legal.
Only countries where you can find legal prostitution are in Europe (asides from the Nevada counites in the US).




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hola Frannie,

I've got to make it to the DR one of these days. It is as you describe it in other venues as well, the PI, Thailand, Colombia, Cambodia, Indonesia, etc...Everywhere but the US.

Carlos asked "why is it depressing," it occurs to me that here I sit, in the wasteland of the cold and fridgid USA with a plethera of tantilizing possibiities...

Que Lastima!!! :D[/QUOTE]

Carlos, respectfully, I am very well acquainted with the lowest of the low in my country. You know my background. Let me just comment that the girls that make up our lowest of the low, do not compare in quality of personality and charm to the lowest of the low in your society. Believe me, I know the attitude of your girls compared to ours...and, my friend, there is a huge gulf of a difference between them. Your girls are 1000% better than our lowest of the low.

But, admittedly, perhaps it is my own lack of accute perception of your girls, from your perspective, that has me at a disadvantage. I know, intimately, how crass our girls are, but I am probably blissfully oblivious to recogizing the crassness of your lowest of the low, at least from the same perspective and pre-conditioned attitudes of a typical Mexicano socialized within your same society.

I come to your country with no built-in biases to fuel my prejudices, and certainly none that originate from being socialized within Mexican society. So, therefore, when I make judgements about a Mexicana's demeanor, it is without all the pre-conditioned prejudices that are inherent in the average Mexicano.

On the other hand, I make comparisons, and form judgements, of your girls based on my pre-conditioned prejudices against our own lowest of the low.

Therefore, your lowest seems better than our lowest from my perspective...

That doesn't mean that it's an accurate assessment of your lowest compared to our lowest, but it's a colored assessment, colored by our own individually different pre-conditioned socializations within our own respective cultures.

What offends you in the demeanor of your lowest of the low is seen differently by the Gringo, perhaps even evaluated as charming by the average Gringo. That is probably where the distinction lies.

But, still, I think our "shitheads" are crasser than your "shitheads," when judging shitheads that are occupying an equal plane of "shitheadedness." :D

There, take them apples...the USA beats Mexico everytime :D




[QUOTE=Amigomio]I want to say one thing to USB, even if the US is your country, I don't think you have contact with the real lower layers of your society.
I mean, you are surprised by the attitude of the girls here... that kind of attitude is normal within an encapsulated segment of the society that has been placed there by the powerful upper levels.

And Frannie... am sorry to tell you, but prostitution is not legal anywhere in Mexico, Central America nor South America.
It is tolerated, but not legal.
Only countries where you can find legal prostitution are in Europe (asides from the Nevada counites in the US).[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

You all probably do not know me because I normally do not post on this thread but I have some info from Mill Just that I wanted to pass along to those of you that have read his posts and liked what he had to say.

Anyway... I have been in contact with Mill Just (off this board) and he wanted to me to pass along this message to you all... THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT HAVE READ HIS REPORTS AND BECAME VIRTUAL FRIENDS WITH HIM ON THIS BOARD.

It is sad that he is not on the ISG board any longer but if you would like to be in contact with him, send ME a PM and I will pass it along to him and also provide to you a way to contact him. He has authorized me doing this for him.


Take care all and enjoy the life!

$Bill

PS - His wish is to still help out those that desire his help.

PSS - just so Jackson does not erase this message, I wanted to let you all know that a couple of months ago, I was in Mty and had the love motel call in an escort. The cost was $1200 pesos and the girl was very nice. She was a little cold at first but then warmed up after 15 minutes of getting to know each other. I am sorry that I don't have the contact number but I hope the pricing info would help. From her looks, she was from an Executive level (not a street girl).

To expand on hot girls from lower social classes. Don't forget that money can make anyone look a lot better. The clothes, hair, lack of hard work, little or no exposure to the elements. These things can make the same girl look totally different. That is why it seems that the rich have more hot women, they just stay hotter, longer. How many poor women even know what a dermatologist is, much less have the expendable income to see one. And that is not implying cosmetic surgery.
Take me for an example, I don't look great, but neither does my income.

i am always amazed at how great the girls from meager means in foreign venues look. it's funny, because before i began to monger outside the us, i always assumed that he pool of candidates from foreign venues would be girls from the lower classes, girls that could not really afford to take good care of themselves, financially, my assuming they would be less attractive than what would normally found in the us, simply because of the reasons you articulated.

with the proliferation of the internet, i began to realize the quality of selection available in foreign venues, and it soon became quite apparent that most of the selection is astoundingly better than what we have with respect to available candidates for our kind of fun, notwithstanding the cost issues that make foreign mongering so much more economical in comparison. this truth seems to be universal, even in the other countries that differ significantly from our own culture.

the girls that are offered in the clubs of indonesia, thailand, the pi are hot, hot, hot...and by western standards, and not according to some kind of eastern man's preferential biases. there are, of course, venues in those countries that cater to the eastern preferences, but there are so many that cater to western preferences that it is mind boggling.

that always surprised me. there are, in each of those venues, girls offered to the locals that may have a different look, one that appeals to their ethnic preferences, and those venues are usually reserved only for locals, no westerners allowed. but, i have always been a little surprised at how good the girls look from cultural origins that are so far from the western culture, not to mention that their income levels make the girls of monterrey seem extremely wealthy.

it always amazed me how good the girls in monterrey managed to look, when their incomes are quite low by us standards, even though they make considerably more than most of their peers in mexico. i mean, their incomes in monterrey, for the busiest girls, the ones that are kept busy constantly in the privados, is probably less than about $20,000 a year, and i believe that figure is on the high end because many of them do not work a full week. many of the busiest ones show up to work late quite frequently, and work only about four hours before they go home. some don't work but thursday through saturday.

i have calculated their incomes based on my having been intimately close to several of them, intimately close beyond the sex, with ones that have given me consisistently similiar estimates of their income, all of them quite popular girls with respect to being in demand in their jobs. it surprises me that their statements to me about how much they make have been substantiated between them with such consistent similarity, independent of any of them knowing even that the others of them exist.

so, comparatively, and realizing that the cost of living is generally much less in monterrey compared to the us, if our lowest class girls were at the same relative income level of $20,000 proportionally adjusted for the difference between the economic costs of living between the two countries, i expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit fatter!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :d

it just seems that the girls engaged in their kind of business, in the foreign venues, take a hell of a lot more pride, and make significanly more effort at looking good, than do our lower classes attempting to engage in the same kind of business. so, so, so, many of our hos are drug addicts and alcoholics, and it shows. however, while the mexico scene certainly has it's share of drug addicts and alcoholics, it does not show proportionally on their hos to the extent that it is evident on ours in their appearance. many of the girls that are in that same boat in mexico look pretty damned good compared to those in the us that are in the same kind of circumstances. plus, for some reason, the hos making themselves available seem to be five years younger in the foreign venues than the average age of the hos in the us.

i believe it may be because girls decide to hook at an older age in the us, they having dilusions of hope for longer a time than their foreign counterparts, putting off the inevitable, they believing that their circumstances will improve due to the economic opportunities that are sold to them as valid by the entertainment industry, television and the educational system. whereas, the girls in foreign venues, monterrey included, are totally realistic about their future prospects, having endured historical generations of the same poverty in their families for a three-hundred years, with no end in site. comparatively, the american dream of pulling one's self out of poverty, has permitted countless millions of historically poverty stricken us families to elevate themselves to at least middle class status, and some to even a high class status. so the dream has always been there, and demonstrated as attainable historically. but, i also think the "dream" is the source of the poor attitude in our selection of hos.

it is all about attitude, and i believe that foreign girls are preconditioned, resolved to making their lot in life work for them, their having no dilusions about their prospects in life, due to their coming from families that come from three hundred years or more of historical family poverty. it is simultaneously what motives their superiority to their us counterparts in performance and attitude. they are not jaded by promises from their society like the girls in the us are jaded by their lots in life compared to what their expectations may have been at a younger age, many girls having dilusions of grandeur.

their us counterparts have a broken spirit, and it shows. the hos in foreign venues accept their lot in life, and are thankful to have a means to rise out of object poverty, no matter what the profession, while us girls resent theirs, believing their dreams of youth for the hot guy, the bmw, the nice clothes, the lavish tropical vacations, and the grand mansion have been shattered by a society they see as male dominated, and having lied to them all along during their dilusional youth. attitude is everything, and us hos have a very definite resentment in their deameanors, one that does not seemingly exist in the foreign venues, monterrey included.

the quality of selection is so much better in monterrey than in the us. their girls look so much better, their attitudes so far superior, and they are able, willing, and pleased to do so much more, and in exchange for so much less from us than our candidates here in the us. and, that is what justifies the travel cost that's incurred in comparison to just patronizing a local us girl or girls.

i mean, we have a huge pool of hos available in the us, and were they as good as their foreign counterparts, one could not justify the added travel cost, not to mention the time required to travel, even to monterrey from as close as the states. but, the girls are so much better in monterrey, and other veneus previously mentioned, that it's not even a consideration when making comparisons of quality, performances, and attitude.

as you mentioned, the legality issues are a factor, but a very, very minor one compared to the old days, made less of an issue by the proleration of the internet. once you find a selection of girls to choose from here in the us, and if you do your homework prior to engaging in acts with them, then the risks are considerably reduced with respect to any kind of sting operation that might have otherwise developed from within a different kind of selection scenario in the us in the past.

with the proleration of the internet, the legally safe availability of girls is much more easily determined than the days of soliciting street walkers, or patronizing massage parlors. but, that having been said, the prospect of patronizing us hos does not even cross my mind. i do not like disappointment, and disappointment in comparison to monterrey or foreign venues looms large for me in the us...been there done that, and it isn't getting any better.

[quote=doubt98]to expand on hot girls from lower social classes. don't forget that money can make anyone look a lot better. the clothes, hair, lack of hard work, little or no exposure to the elements. these things can make the same girl look totally different. that is why it seems that the rich have more hot women, they just stay hotter, longer. how many poor women even know what a dermatologist is, much less have the expendable income to see one. and that is not implying cosmetic surgery.
take me for an example, i don't look great, but neither does my income.[/quote]

Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?

Dollar,

Please tell MJ I said 'Holas".

Someday I will get a 'round-to-it' from Office Max and will send him an email.

Thanks DB.

[QUOTE=Dollar Bill]Hi all,

You all probably do not know me because I normally do not post on this thread but I have some info from Mill Just that I wanted to pass along to those of you that have read his posts and liked what he had to say.

Anyway... I have been in contact with Mill Just (off this board) and he wanted to me to pass along this message to you all... THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT HAVE READ HIS REPORTS AND BECAME VIRTUAL FRIENDS WITH HIM ON THIS BOARD.

It is sad that he is not on the ISG board any longer but if you would like to be in contact with him, send ME a PM and I will pass it along to him and also provide to you a way to contact him. He has authorized me doing this for him.


Take care all and enjoy the life!

$Bill

PS - His wish is to still help out those that desire his help.

PSS - just so Jackson does not erase this message, I wanted to let you all know that a couple of months ago, I was in Mty and had the love motel call in an escort. The cost was $1200 pesos and the girl was very nice. She was a little cold at first but then warmed up after 15 minutes of getting to know each other. I am sorry that I don't have the contact number but I hope the pricing info would help. From her looks, she was from an Executive level (not a street girl).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, so what exactly are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

For WastedG, and others that DO NOT like to read...

In summary, their hos are better than our hos, and why...simple. :D

I don't know, I was getting board, noticed that Doubt98 had no responses to his comments, had a few moments available to comment, so I created a monster.

I'll go back to sleep again for a few more days :D

[QUOTE=Sportv]Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?[/QUOTE]

There are raids by the Mexican authorities to check to see that all the girls working in the clubs have their authorization cards to work, indicating that they have passed their health examinations for the two week period they are working. The clubs will not employ a girl that does not have the proper documentation from the "health police." But, afterall, it is Mexico, and where there is a will to go around the system, there is probably a dozen ways.

But, generally, the clubs themselves are quite strict because they can be shut down if girls are caught working that do not have authorization. But, regardless of that health requirement, there are always other STDs that are contagious, conditions that are not necessary tested for, such as genital warts.

I have also heard cases where girls have contracted diseases within the two week period between testing, and had opportunity to potentially pass those STDs on to clients. There are several STDs that can be transmitted without actually having direct contact with the infected membranes, thereby passing them through close, intimate contact, and not necessarily passing them through intercourse. Plus, for example, in the case of genital herpes, it's my understanding that unless there is an outbreak, it is difficult to detect, and that it can be transmitted without any outbreak even being evident, and especially so with respect to females passing it on to males.

And, with respect to commentary about El Infinito specifically. Whatever was heard about El Infinito is highly suspect, IMHO, and should be taken with a considerable grain of salt. I suspect there might even possibly be a conspiracy to slander the name of El Infinito here, primarily because it is one of the clubs recommended by those of us that frequent Monterrey, and it may also be a conspiracy by rival club owners to influence the viability of their own businesses at the expense of El Infinito. El Infinito is a perfect model of success, where some other clubs languish in getting ten patrons in the door. That's my theory. I have no direct evidence to back it up.

However, there are routinely, but not frequent, instances at El Infinito, where girls are found to have diseases during the course of their examinations, and those girls are immediately fired. But, the frequency of that occurence in no more often than any of the other clubs in town.

As for the attitude of the girls in general, the girls do not take the threat of losing their lucrative jobs lightly, and most are quite careful about wearing protection for that reason alone. But, more commonly, the girls are more frightened of becoming pregnant than anything else. They value their jobs, certainly, but they seem to really be adverse to taking on an eighteen year responsibility just for the few minutes of pleasure they enjoy sin condom.

I would not consider one or two remarks about Infinito girls an attempt to sabotage the place especially when you follow your comments with your own comments that Infinito did in fact had some of those so-called cases.

Infinito is just like any other club. No one is trying to destroy it. What happens behind closed doors vs. what we see are totally different schemes of which we, the public, will never learn.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
And, with respect to commentary about El Infinito specifically. Whatever was heard about El Infinito is highly suspect, IMHO, and should be taken with a considerable grain of salt. I suspect there might even possibly be a conspiracy to slander the name of El Infinito here, primarily because it is one of the clubs recommended by those of us that frequent Monterrey, and it may also be a conspiracy by rival club owners to influence the viability of their own businesses at the expense of El Infinito. El Infinito is a perfect model of success, where some other clubs languish in getting ten patrons in the door. That's my theory. I have no direct evidence to back it up.

However, there are routinely, but not frequent, instances at El Infinito, where girls are found to have diseases during the course of their examinations, and those girls are immediately fired. But, the frequency of that occurence in no more often than any of the other clubs in town.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I would not consider one or two remarks about Infinito girls an attempt to sabotage the place especially when you follow your comments with your own comments that Infinito did in fact had some of those so-called cases.

Infinito is just like any other club. No one is trying to destroy it. What happens behind closed doors vs. what we see are totally different schemes of which we, the public, will never learn.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Well, I believe that the original comment made about El Infinito came from a taxi driver to a monger that reported what the taxi driver had told him.

So, a third, and more credible theory compared to those that were previously speculated, is that taxi drivers earn commissions at the high end clubs. El Infinito is NOT where they want to take us. Draw your own conclusions.

Theories that I might have with respect to motivations for certain comments on this board are well founded in past disengenous, self serving commentary. So, theories I might have about underlying motivations with respect to some comments that find their way to this board are not, therefore, entirely unfounded...verdad??? :D

My only point was to illustrate that to disrepute El Infinito, and to suggest it is somehow more offensive than any other club in Monterrey, is misleading commentary that should not be taken to heart by the reader, who is looking for factual information on how to assess the clubs.

There are other motivations in play here...maybe those of a greedy taxi driver, maybe those of rival bar promoters, maybe other more sinister reasons, etc...I know of several posts here the last couple of weeks that are complete and total Bullshit, including posts about clubs that do not even exist in Monterrey.

The point is not to cast doubt on the poster, or his credibility, or to function as some kind of serial antagonist, but to correct misconceptions suggested by the content of a post, a post that suggested that El Infinito is somehow inferior to other clubs due to incidents of STDs.

We all know differently, and in vivid terms.

Hello Sportv,.. when can Monterrey expect you back???


[QUOTE=Sportv]Long time reader, occassional writer. Hello to Carlos & Wasted.coming back to Monterrey again! I was reading the posts and came across The Studd post dated 11. 13. I know all these activites have risks, but I thought all the girls working at clubs did go through regular tests & visits to the doctors. Any comments from the experts?[/QUOTE]

" I expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit FATTER!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :D"


There was the quote from the man who dreamed of coming to the United States and he said "I want to go to the U.S. where even the poor people are fat."
That just shows what we describe as poverty versus what other countries describe as poverty.

I didn't mean to kick up so much dirt with my post, but I would tend to agree with SpongeBob (the board legend). The taxi driver tips from the high end clubs are a motive. Several times I have had taxi drivers try to recommend other clubs besides Infinito.

Amigomio, I am arriving tomorrow and I sent you an email.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]" I expect our lowest class girls, comparatively, are quite ugly, are definitely quite a bit FATTER!, and showing the vivid signs of signficant drug abuse and/or alcoholism, thereby making them signficantly less attractive. :D"

There was the quote from the man who dreamed of coming to the United States and he said "I want to go to the U.S. where even the poor people are fat."
That just shows what we describe as poverty versus what other countries describe as poverty.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and just take a look at the difference in time periods. Look as those old paintings and photos of the girls sitting on the pianos in the saloons and bars of yesteryear, circa 1850-1900....the girls depicted as sexy were quite pudgy.

Frankly, from my own personal perspective, I wish mature, slightly portly gentleman were considered the "sexiest men alive." At one time, back in the 1850's, it was most certainly the case. :D Fat demonstrated success, which translated for females into "sexy."

Well, my own personal opinion, after having become somewhat wiser with years with respect to the female psyche, is that most girls, where physical attributes are concerned in males, have a different take on what is sexy than we males have when making similiar judgements about females.

This is sexy to females...regardless of physical attributes, within reason of course:

1. A guy with lots of money, and one that showers his girl with significant amounts of it. The old saying that "money can't buy love" is not really true. Money can feather a pretty secure nest for most women, and love follows pretty closely, provided other strategies are adhered to.

2. A guy that has power, political, business, social position, whatever...

3. A guy who is faithful to her without question...

4. A guy who constantly tells her he loves her, and demonstrates it regularly in romantic ways, assuring her that there are no others through his attentions and desire to be with her in the mundane living of life...

Those attributes in a male can, and do overcome mild physical deficiencies, within reason of course. Girls are not altogether "visual," such as males, they are "feeling oriented." The profound difference between the two sexes, IMHO. Males are "visual," females are "feeling."

I don't mean that this can overcome the physical deficiencies of the Elephant man, but those four strategies diminish from the female perspective, physical deficiencies inherent in some males. In summary, females are far more forgiving with respect to making their physical evaluations of us with respect to "love" and "sex" than males. Thank God!!!

The problem for us is, with respect to legitimate relationships, and where physcial attractiveness may be an issue compared to the Brad Pitts of the world, is that you have to first get the interview, and worm your way into their psyche in order to score. Getting the interview is the challenge, especially where age difference is significant.

Fortunately, getting the interview, in circumstances where we patronize our girlfriends for P4P, is not an obstacle, and the romance is more easily engaged in. Their shields are lowered, the money permits to us to do an end run, eliminating entirely the whole "interview" process that is so difficult with good girl endeavors. :D P4P is so much less work.

I don't suggest that a physical component for females is not a factor, but I do believe, quite strongly, that it is not as important a factor where females are concerned compared to the male perspective. And, I do not suggest that we should be using tactics to disengenuously engage in misleading girls with disengenuous strategies when we find girls that are GFE in P4P. But, sometimes the chemistry leads to romance. In that instance, the P4P experience can be quite satisfying, provided one doesn't lose site of the reality associated with engaging in hi-bred GFE relationships originally initiated by P4P, and eventually moving to a different level of intimacy.

Fat-pudgy-full figure was equal to "Abundance"... that started to change in the 80's.

Bad side of this is "image"... everyone is being forced into "thin" when doctors will tell you that some people just can't be thin.

Jennifer Love Hewitt acused of being "fat" when she is below average weight wise... Brittney Spears accused (that word is ugly, "accused") of being fat...

When are people going to stop this "thin" thing? Till you get a less then "zero" size?

Same thing with "depilation" stupid thing which you Americans started as a business fad with the excuse that hairless is equal to "clean".
Now it's spreading to men, where the young generations see you as an ugly hairy man if you have hair in your chest.

I hope this stupid fad goes away as drinking bottled water is coming to an end now that it has been discovered that the phrase "drink 2 gallons of pure water per day" was invented by the bottled water companies so people would buy their products.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Yeah, and just take a look at the difference in time periods. Look as those old paintings and photos of the girls sitting on the pianos in the saloons and bars of yesteryear, circa 1850-1900....the girls depicted as sexy were quite pudgy.

Frankly, from my own personal perspective, I wish mature, slightly portly gentleman were considered the "sexiest men alive." At one time, back in the 1850's, it was most certainly the case. :D Fat demonstrated success, which translated for females into "sexy."

Well, my own personal opinion, after having become somewhat wiser with years with respect to the female psyche, is that most girls, where physical attributes are concerned in males, have a different take on what is sexy than we males have when making similiar judgements about females.

This is sexy to females...regardless of physical attributes, within reason of course:

1. A guy with lots of money, and one that showers his girl with significant amounts of it. The old saying that "money can't buy love" is not really true. Money can feather a pretty secure nest for most women, and love follows pretty closely, provided other strategies are adhered to.

2. A guy that has power, political, business, social position, whatever...

3. A guy who is faithful to her without question...

4. A guy who constantly tells her he loves her, and demonstrates it regularly in romantic ways, assuring her that there are no others through his attentions and desire to be with her in the mundane living of life...

Those attributes in a male can, and do overcome mild physical deficiencies, within reason of course. Girls are not altogether "visual," such as males, they are "feeling oriented." The profound difference between the two sexes, IMHO. Males are "visual," females are "feeling."

I don't mean that this can overcome the physical deficiencies of the Elephant man, but those four strategies diminish from the female perspective, physical deficiencies inherent in some males. In summary, females are far more forgiving with respect to making their physical evaluations of us with respect to "love" and "sex" than males. Thank God!!!

The problem for us is, with respect to legitimate relationships, and where physcial attractiveness may be an issue compared to the Brad Pitts of the world, is that you have to first get the interview, and worm your way into their psyche in order to score. Getting the interview is the challenge, especially where age difference is significant.

Fortunately, getting the interview, in circumstances where we patronize our girlfriends for P4P, is not an obstacle, and the romance is more easily engaged in. Their shields are lowered, the money permits to us to do an end run, eliminating entirely the whole "interview" process that is so difficult with good girl endeavors. :D P4P is so much less work.

I don't suggest that a physical component for females is not a factor, but I do believe, quite strongly, that it is not as important a factor where females are concerned compared to the male perspective. And, I do not suggest that we should be using tactics to disengenuously engage in misleading girls with disengenuous strategies when we find girls that are GFE in P4P. But, sometimes the chemistry leads to romance. In that instance, the P4P experience can be quite satisfying, provided one doesn't lose site of the reality associated with engaging in hi-bred GFE relationships originally initiated by P4P, and eventually moving to a different level of intimacy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Fat-pudgy-full figure was equal to "Abundance"... that started to change in the 80's.

Bad side of this is "image"... everyone is being forced into "thin" when doctors will tell you that some people just can't be thin.

Jennifer Love Hewitt acused of being "fat" when she is below average weight wise... Brittney Spears accused (that word is ugly, "accused") of being fat...

When are people going to stop this "thin" thing? Till you get a less then "zero" size?

Same thing with "depilation" stupid thing which you Americans started as a business fad with the excuse that hairless is equal to "clean".
Now it's spreading to men, where the young generations see you as an ugly hairy man if you have hair in your chest.

I hope this stupid fad goes away as drinking bottled water is coming to an end now that it has been discovered that the phrase "drink 2 gallons of pure water per day" was invented by the bottled water companies so people would buy their products.[/QUOTE]



Awwww, you're just mad because you like tall wide girls, verdad? :D

Lets be politically correct, and go a step further...

It is the entertainment and fashion industries that started that hairless fad, as well as the "boyishly" thin, female models craze, as well as the "you can't be too thin," regardless of your sex, fad.

Realistically, those responsible for those particular fads occupy a very small percentage of the population in the US, but they have undeserved influence in those industries.

Gay preferences have undue influence over fashion coming out of the USA and Europe, and they also have tremendously strong influence in the entertainment industry, which defines sex appeal contrary to the attitudes of more than 90% of the US population.

So, when naming the US as the culprit for such foolishness, lets not forget that the influences that bring about those fads originate from a very small number of people who have undue influence over their industries, thereby proliferating influence that is opposed by more than probably 90% of the US population.

And, on a similiar note, we are not even yet discussing the influence of these same kinds of minority influences upon the absolute ruin of the recording industry in the USA.

My bank called me this morning saying there are "unusual" charges on my credit card. Looks like someone duplicated my card and has gone on a xmas shopping spree in San Nicolas, Apocada, Graza, Morelia, Monterrey ... and the list goes on. About 30 charges with most recent as yesterday.

Draw your own conclusions.

Wasted

there were times when i had to turn the girls around to see who i was with. other times i had to look around me to figure out where i was. and times when i wished i had some cough drops.

i found a new girl in infinito. she is a xerox of sweet p and has a body that would not quit. i could not resist. took her back to my hotel for a spin. man, cans he spin? oh, and it was her first day at work … ever … the poor thing was tamed by wasted. was she in for a surprise?

crunchy and sluty . .. ahhhh .. what can i say? sluty has a crush on crunchy. 1st i take them both upstairs. i held crunchy while sluty molested her. crunchy s was screaming for all to hear but finally surrendered to sluty thu did not play. although enjoyed it and i was getting rewarded ... tightly. to my surprise, sweet p shows up right next to the 3 of us and pulls my ear "que hace, wasted?" damm ... i forgot that i salidad her and she was waiting for me to leave. mr. l. talked her into coming upstairs to get me. some friends, ha?

mr. l. and i had dates with our long time faithfuls from obsession. when my girl did not show up, within half an hour, i was out and back with crunchy and sluty. i told them that when i open the hotel room door, i want them to rush into the room. they did and instantly screamed when the caught mr. l. and his obsession girl in bed. woohhooo.... crunchy has a crush on mr. l. but mr. l's obsession girl will not let anyone near him.

when i took them both back to the hotel, sluty raped crunchy and crunchy, finally, played along and accepted the fact that she has just become sluty's *****... in my bed.

obsession has a few new girls. many of the old faces are long gone. same for prestige. infiniti girls are the same. nothing new to report beside and asshole manager. but i’m putting him back in his place. i tip everyone around him but not him. i tried to befriend him but he treats the girls like cows and the customers like honry dogs.

i have pictures i would love to post but that ain’t gonna happen. bad enough giving out names. imagine if i posted pics.

i’ll keep an eye out for mastermind. it will be fun to have a drink with him. look me up mm. i am the gringo with 7 morina and one blond girls at my table with a waiter or 2 hovering over me ready to jumps. if i point to girl, she is with me in a heart beat. you can't miss me.

wasted

First place I went to was Pameras and it is by far my favorite. Nice place, clean, good looking girls, and all slim and trim. Owner is very friendly as is the staff. It is located on Maldero near Zaragoza Ave.

Beer is 30 peso for two... not sure why but you buy them in two at a time there. Private dance for 9 minutes is 100 peso, complete is 600 peso and the owner told me I could stay for one hour. Drinks for the girls are 120 peso.

I went to the other well know spots posted here and found none that I liked as much as Pameras.

Tangalay was the first in that area where most of the bars are located that I went into. There was a 20 peso cover charge and the beer was 20 peso. I drank about one third of my beer and left. Felt the place was dirty, 90 percent of the girls were fat and most were 3 or 4 in looks.

Stuck my head in a few of the other places and found none that I liked and went back to Pameras where I am going to head tonight as soon as they open.

Last night I was getting ready to leave and the owner said wait and have one more beer on the house.

which do i prefer? an 18 y/o hot like hell chica who clings on to me like her daddy or a 30 y/o 'woman' who knows every trick in the book on how to drive me wild?

until lately, i considered 27 too old for me. i jumped on the teens and sometime accepted the 24's saying to myself, yeah, a little old but still looking young.

however, i went looking for my 19 y/o sexy x once based on a tip i got from a mutual friend, sure enough, i was told she worked there. when she showed up, she was 32 y/o. pretty and very sweet but damm ... she's 32...

she talked me into a privado and i was in the mood so i accepted. and wow, what a session.

then again at infinito, i see this sweet p look-alike and asked the waiter to bring her to me. she sat with me and instantly made me feel like i had known her for years. her body was rocking and i decided to take her back to my place. she delivered what 2 teens combined could not.

so which is it? a teen you have to baby set and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her to a screaming orgasm or a 32 y/o pro that will rock your world?

i was told by one of our mongering buddies that in medallin, the younger the girl, the cheaper. what does that tell you?

wasted

As one of the silent board readers, thought I would add one of my occassional posts from my last Monterrey trip. I had contacted Carlos and had let him know of my trip and we made plans to meet at Infinito. Carlos said Wasted was also in town, who I had met once before with Carlos, so the trip was shaping up nicely.

Upon arriving I tried calling Carlos on his cell phone, but kept getting a fast busy signal, the kind that you know means your call is not getting through. After all my usual tricks of dialing with & without city codes, country codes, I gave up on the cell phone, as I knew I would see Carlos at Infinito.

I took a cab to Infinito, and first took a quick walk around the block to Signore and a few MPs just to window shop. There was a hottie on the phone at Signore, plus the lineup looked better than usual. I find the MPs pretty mechanical, on occassion they are OK and you can not beat the price for about $20US where else in North America can you pick a hot lady out of a lineup and get laid, but I was just window shopping as a warm up for my favorite club Infinito.

It was time to go to meet up with Carlos & Wasted. Infinito was pretty dead by Infinito standards, meaning it was only 10X better than any US strip club. A few of the gems were with other guys, and being early evening the 2nd shfit had not yet started to show and there seemed to be fewer girls than normal. I did one privado with a cute but slightly chubby gal, of course see asked me for "sexo" which I was not yet ready for.

Came back downstairs and saw a familar face, it was my S-girl, who I have done a salida with in the past and she was a tiger! She had her hair done differently and I did not immediately recognize her but she gave me a hug and started talking in spanish much faster than I could understand, but I picked out a few words that meant "remember" and "hotel" and I knew she was talking about our last salida. Upstairs for a privado, which quickly became pretty heated with her stroking me and my fingers getting wet. Not from saliva! She was again talking faster than I could understand with my limited spanish, but I knew she was asking about a salida to the hotel.

This girl is more expensive than the others, 2X the SpongeBob standard, and in the past I was never able to get her price down. Immediately 2 ghost figures appeared, one on each shoulder (shades of animal house). On the right shoulder was MongerCoach, who has taught me well through years of international play. Monger coach is well read from this web site taking in all the readings of SpongeBob and others, and rarely lets me down. MongerCoach has kept me safe, but almost always puts me in a postion to win.

MongerCoach said "it is early, and you haven't even seen Carlos and Wasted yet. Plus this girl is too expensive. Don't pay her rate, everytime you do you help raise the prices for everyone. Take a break and walk around and see if Carlos & Wasted are here yet. Plus she will be here for a while, it is a few hours before shift change. If you want her she will be here later. Go grab a beer and find Carlos"

On the other shoulder was PenisBrain. These two have fought some classic battles, just like Ali-Frazier. Tonight PenisBrain was raging with hormones, testorerone, and vitamin viagra as he laughed at MongerCoach "You want to fight me? You know you will lose, you have no chance! " Girls S started nuzzling and kissing my neck and ears whispering "vamos, salida" as she was rubbing my crotch. It was an early knockout, PenisBrain over MongerCoach in the first round, and within minutes we were at the bar arranging the salida.

Off to the hotel, and once again this girl was a tiger. Perhaps the most wild sex I have ever had. Not to go into all the details, as that is not the spirit of this forum, but only 5 minutes after round one S-girl said "sexo" and grabbed another condom. Just because vitamin viagra had me up in the combat position, I was hoping, make that begging for another 15 minutes of recovery time. S-girl would have none of that, and off we went for round 2, and then round 3. Nothing better than her in the cowgirl position bucking like she is in a rodeo, screaming in spanish and me literally just hanging on trying to keep us on the bed. 2 hours later I was drained, we were both sweating like we had been in a 12 round fight, and we staggered into the shower. Despite it being relatively early there was no way I was going out again. I barely could walk her out for a cab, but I did, than I was out for the night. Sorry but I missed Carlos and Wasted.

The next day I had an unexpected free hour in the afternoon so I took a cab to Signore, but the hottie from the night before was gone. I did book G. For a session, good but nothing like the previous night. She looks much better in person than on the Signore website, and well worth the bargain price, but still I prefer the club environment and the Infinito girls.

I was booked on business that night, so I never did catch up with Carlos or Wasted, hopefully I will on the next trip!

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There has been conflicting reports that Infinito has cameras in the privados area and in the girls bathroom and dressing rooms. One girl said they have a total of 5 and another said less than that. Reason behind it was that they had some trouble with some customers… and I have seen that .. then there are drugs dealing and using problems.

I could not confirm any of this but it is assumingly just started a couple of weeks ago.

And … while the camera is rolling, the tape is recording. So smile, someday you might be on the Infinito monger camera.

I was watching the news one morning and the had a report on some of the sex motels. Usually 200 to 350 pesos will get you a room with all you need for a couple of hours. Some even come with Jacuzzis. The news camera was not shy to show men going in with their girls.

Another news paper following a raid on one of the clubs and showed front-page photos of the girls coming down the stage. I know many of the girls’ families don’t even know where their daughters work. So there. Some tell their families they only 'dance' and others tell their boyfriends the don't go on salidas ... and the lies continue...

And finally, I mentioned this before, one of the discos was shut down for a couple of days after a fight brook out. Turns out two guys where fighting over another … dude. There were fighting over who is gonna take him home tonight.

Be safe.


by the way, Great report Sport. Too bad we missed you.

Yeah, Sports to bad we missed you....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]There has been conflicting reports that Infinito has cameras in the privados area and in the girls bathroom and dressing rooms. One girl said they have a total of 5 and another said less than that. Reason behind it was that they had some trouble with some customers… and I have seen that .. then there are drugs dealing and using problems.

I could not confirm any of this but it is assumingly just started a couple of weeks ago.

And … while the camera is rolling, the tape is recording. So smile, someday you might be on the Infinito monger camera.

I was watching the news one morning and the had a report on some of the sex motels. Usually 200 to 350 pesos will get you a room with all you need for a couple of hours. Some even come with Jacuzzis. The news camera was not shy to show men going in with their girls.

Another news paper following a raid on one of the clubs and showed front-page photos of the girls coming down the stage. I know many of the girls’ families don’t even know where their daughters work. So there. Some tell their families they only 'dance' and others tell their boyfriends the don't go on salidas ... and the lies continue...

And finally, I mentioned this before, one of the discos was shut down for a couple of days after a fight brook out. Turns out two guys where fighting over another … dude. There were fighting over who is gonna take him home tonight.

Be safe.


by the way, Great report Sport. Too bad we missed you.[/QUOTE]

Reading this thread, I picked the information in one report that hotels in Monterrey are generally not girl friendly.
Can you confirm this ?
Can anyone provide a list of girl friendly hotels ?

Thanks in advance for your help.


P.S. If answer to above is affirmative, is this a general rule now in Mexico ?
I remember a few years ago in Mexico City I never had problems in receiving/bringing girls into my room.

Albert
5 star hotels will not allow female visitors to the rooms, in or in the surrounding distrcts of the city (specially Colonia del Valle) with the exception of the Sheraton Ambassador in the downtown district.

The rest of the hotels are to be checked on a one by one basis.
Main thing is thing is that a working girl sticks out like a sore thumb when a customer tries to get her into the room via the main entrance.
There are some exceptions like the Hampton Inn Monterrey, that depending on the time of night, you'll be able to do it.
The Hilton Garden Inn, the Howard Johnson, the Four Points Sheraton... but I can not vouch for them like me guaranteeing that they are 100% girl friendly.

The only 3 hotels that are girlfriendly right now are in the Madero Ave. area, they are 3 star hotels: the Plaza del Arco, the Plaza del Arco Express and the Best Western Madero.

General rule in Mexico? I don't know... Mexico IS big and it depends if you are talking small towns or beach resort cities....

And Mexico City... damn! That I know of, the hotel will ask for a waiver, that they are not responsible in anyway for your visitor.
Why? Cause having female companionship in your room can be hazardous to your health...
They can drug you up to a point of an overdose, kill you, and the girl would care less, as long as they can rob you clean.





[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Reading this thread, I picked the information in one report that hotels in Monterrey are generally not girl friendly.
Can you confirm this ?
Can anyone provide a list of girl friendly hotels ?

Thanks in advance for your help.


P.S. If answer to above is affirmative, is this a general rule now in Mexico ?
I remember a few years ago in Mexico City I never had problems in receiving/bringing girls into my room.[/QUOTE]

MJ,

Be ready to jump on a moment's notice. I just got back and will be heading down soon. I will announce the date once confirmed.

I hope you can keep up. Get plenty of sleep and drink lots of red bull. You'll need all the wings you can get.

Your inbox is full. Could not sende you a PM

Wasted

One hotel will NOT let you bring girls into your room. They will follow you and ask to speak to the girl. Not you, the girl. They are so strict and no way no how will they let you bring a girl in. Safi Hotel. The place is gorgeous but the seen is 100% family and also family owned. No way.

I tried the “book me in another hotel. I am out of here”. Their answer was: “OK”

Wasted


[QUOTE=Amigomio]Albert
5 star hotels will not allow female visitors to the rooms, in or in the surrounding distrcts of the city (specially Colonia del Valle) with the exception of the Sheraton Ambassador in the downtown district.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]MJ,

Be ready to jump on a moment's notice. I just got back and will be heading down soon. I will announce the date once confirmed.

I hope you can keep up. Get plenty of sleep and drink lots of red bull. You'll need all the wings you can get.

Your inbox is full. Could not sende you a PM

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I'm going to Mty soon also, by the way someone recommended me a the "Sensual Tea" which can be found in the "Benavides Farmacia" (drug store) they say is natural and within an hour you can get hard as a rock and fuck like a 18 y.o teen again.
Carlos have you heard of this "Tea" ????

Yes I have... members of my Yahoo group have tried it and they say it works.
But have in mind that this guys are at the most 35 years old...


[QUOTE=Strike 69]I'm going to Mty soon also, by the way someone recommended me a the "Sensual Tea" which can be found in the "Benavides Farmacia" (drug store) they say is natural and within an hour you can get hard as a rock and fuck like a 18 y.o teen again.
Carlos have you heard of this "Tea" ????[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Yes I have... members of my Yahoo group have tried it and they say it works.
But have in mind that this guys are at the most 35 years old...[/QUOTE]


Thank you Amigomio, I will give it a shot and report the results without delay, by the way have you seen by mistake any natural blonde in the high end clubs or in the local sex market?? I suspect that the answer it's still "No".......but if by mistake you have any news regarding blonde pussy please let me know...

Sorry, but the answer still "no"... sorry about that Strike.



[QUOTE=Strike 69]Thank you Amigomio, I will give it a shot and report the results without delay, by the way have you seen by mistake any natural blonde in the high end clubs or in the local sex market?? I suspect that the answer it's still "No".......but if by mistake you have any news regarding blonde pussy please let me know...[/QUOTE]

I visited Le Baron Estetica this week. Located at Tapia #329, between Emilio Carranza and Galeana, it has its own interior parking. The building is clean, well-appointed inside. When I visited, there were seven chicas in the waiting area. As you enter, the sit on couches, and there is a guy at a desk who takes your money. He asked 700 pesos. I chose Pamela, the one most my tyoe by appearances. She said that she is 19 and that this was her first day on the job. I believe that she may be 19; I do not believe that this was her first day. While in the room, Pamela tried to upsell me. She also did not clean me up after all was done. I would have done better to choose another girl-- as others have noted, the best looking may not give inspired service. The place is good-- worth another try, just avoid Pamela.

Be safe!

Well, Dean... might have been her first day THERE!!!

Dean, have you tried Versace, Marcella ([url]www.pompis.com.mx[/url]) or Romanos?
Prices go for 800-1000 range but it includes all.




[QUOTE=Dean69]I visited Le Baron Estetica this week. Located at Tapia #329, between Emilio Carranza and Galeana, it has its own interior parking. The building is clean, well-appointed inside. When I visited, there were seven chicas in the waiting area. As you enter, the sit on couches, and there is a guy at a desk who takes your money. He asked 700 pesos. I chose Pamela, the one most my tyoe by appearances. She said that she is 19 and that this was her first day on the job. I believe that she may be 19; I do not believe that this was her first day. While in the room, Pamela tried to upsell me. She also did not clean me up after all was done. I would have done better to choose another girl-- as others have noted, the best looking may not give inspired service. The place is good-- worth another try, just avoid Pamela.

Be safe![/QUOTE]

Amigomio,

Marcella looks interesting.
I mean some girls in the pics of the "catalogo" look very interesting.
Maybe it is worth a visit.

Can you vouch for quality of service ?

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Well, Dean... might have been her first day THERE!!!

Dean, have you tried Versace, Marcella ([url]www.pompis.com.mx[/url]) or Romanos?
Prices go for 800-1000 range but it includes all.[/QUOTE]

Iam very sorry Albert, but MP's are not my forté, but I got friends that have had their best gigs at Marcella and Romanos...
I can definite tell you that you can check them out fully, girls and setup with out a charge.
If you don't like it, just walk away,....



[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Amigomio,

Marcella looks interesting.
I mean some girls in the pics of the "catalogo" look very interesting.
Maybe it is worth a visit.

Can you vouch for quality of service ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Iam very sorry Albert, but MP's are not my forté, but I got friends that have had their best gigs at Marcella and Romanos.

I can definite tell you that you can check them out fully, girls and setup with out a charge.

If you don't like it, just walk away[/QUOTE]I want to add some input of my self on this, I had some of my best services in Marcellas, It is hit and miss like AmigoMio said but is worth the try, I go around noon in a week day and before the last of the month or the 15.

I had been visitng this AMP since the 90's.

If you don't like what you see, just come back later.

SD

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A Mexico-based airline plans to offer $9.99 flights from Austin to Monterrey and Cancun starting in May.

The company, VivaAerobus, says Austin is the first U.S. city it will serve. The airline will operate out of Austin-Bergstrom International Airport's new south terminal, designed to serve low-cost airlines. The daily flights to Monterrey and Cancun will depart at 2:20 p.m. and 8:45 a.m., respectively.

The airline will begin service on May 1.

"A May 1 service launch date will allow us to be in a terminal that is configured exclusively for carriers such as VivaAerobus, as well as serve Austin in time for the summer travel season," says CEO Mike Szucs.

The company says it may add more flights in the coming months.

This is Vivaaerobus web site:

[url]http://www.vivaaerobus.com/[/url]



[QUOTE=Cabojohn]VivaAerobus reveals $9.99 flights, launch date

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ABIA traffic still climbing [Austin]
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A Mexico-based airline plans to offer $9.99 flights from Austin to Monterrey and Cancun starting in May.

The company, VivaAerobus, says Austin is the first U.S. city it will serve. The airline will operate out of Austin-Bergstrom International Airport's new south terminal, designed to serve low-cost airlines. The daily flights to Monterrey and Cancun will depart at 2:20 p.m. and 8:45 a.m., respectively.

The airline will begin service on May 1.

"A May 1 service launch date will allow us to be in a terminal that is configured exclusively for carriers such as VivaAerobus, as well as serve Austin in time for the summer travel season," says CEO Mike Szucs.

The company says it may add more flights in the coming months.[/QUOTE]

Good evening gents. I'll be coming into Monterrey on business sometime in the next few weeks. I've read the past several months worth of posts here on your forum and was wondering if there was a consensus FAVorite spot to strike up a chica. Also, I'm not sure if the hotel I will be staying in is girl "friendly", so are there plenty of hourly no-tels readily available? Best times to go, places to stay away from, etc. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Sean

Sean, we need more details on what you are looking for.
Do you favor MP's or SC's?
SC talking, almost all prefer the Infinito as it will be a good idea to check the moderate priced SCs on Madero Ave.

If you are staying at the downtown hotel disctric, the only girlfriendly hotel is the Sheraton Ambassador.
The Hampton on Gonzalitos Ave and the Four Points Sheraton are good too, but with some maneuvering (like coming on side doors or a mall pedestrian bridge... and so on).
Need to tell us that too, cause for example, all the hotels at the Colonia del Valle district do not allow any type of female companioship to the rooms.
And yes, there are tons of short term love motels here.

Sean: I guess this is your first time over here???
Just to point out, Monterrey is almost 4 million in pop. and offers many, many options.
And Monterrey is one of the safest cities in Mexico... still.




[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Good evening gents. I'll be coming into Monterrey on business sometime in the next few weeks. I've read the past several months worth of posts here on your forum and was wondering if there was a consensus FAVorite spot to strike up a chica. Also, I'm not sure if the hotel I will be staying in is girl "friendly", so are there plenty of hourly no-tels readily available? Best times to go, places to stay away from, etc. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Sean[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Sean, we need more details on what you are looking for.
Do you favor MP's or SC's?

I've always preferred SC takeout simply because you have a bit of time to see how well you like someone and interact with them prior to just grinding one out. I would not be opposed, however to tryout a MP or two if there are some that come highly recommended.

SC talking, almost all prefer the Infinito as it will be a good idea to check the moderate priced SCs on Madero Ave.

I've pretty much singled out Infinito as well based on the posts that I have been reading.

If you are staying at the downtown hotel disctric, the only girlfriendly hotel is the Sheraton Ambassador.

The Hampton on Gonzalitos Ave and the Four Points Sheraton are good too, but with some maneuvering (like coming on side doors or a mall pedestrian bridge... and so on).

Need to tell us that too, cause for example, all the hotels at the Colonia del Valle district do not allow any type of female companioship to the rooms.

I truly have no idea where I will be staying yet. I'm also not sure if I will be making this trip alone or not yet, so I want to have an alternate location available for my playtime.

And yes, there are tons of short term love motels here.

That is what I'll be looking for most likely.

Sean: I guess this is your first time over here?

Actually, it's not my first time, but the last time I was there I was 20 years old visiting my then Mexican girlfriend while she was in universidad. It will, however be my first attempt at any mongering in Mexico, so I'm not overly familiar with specific protocol and such. I lived in Costa Rica for a couple of years also and did a bit of mongering there before returning to the States. My Spanish is sufficient I think but FAR from fluent.

Just to point out, Monterrey is almost 4 million in pop. and offers many, many options.

And Monterrey is one of the safest cities in Mexico... still.[/QUOTE]Well with that many people, I'm sure to find one or two latinas that strike my fancy. And safety is ALWAYS a principal concern of mine. Especially being in an unfamiliar place. I appreciate your reply. Once my itinerary gets confirmed, I'll give you more specifics on where I'm staying, etc.

What is the average price for a taxi ride there? Are all taxis safe?

All taxis are safe.
Average ride, 4 dlls... of course it depends if you are in the downtown area and you are moving within the same, but it should be no more than 6 dlls.




[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Well with that many people, I'm sure to find one or two latinas that strike my fancy. And safety is ALWAYS a principal concern of mine. Especially being in an unfamiliar place. I appreciate your reply. Once my itinerary gets confirmed, I'll give you more specifics on where I'm staying, etc.

What is the average price for a taxi ride there? Are all taxis safe?[/QUOTE]

Ok gentlemen. I finally have a confirmed itinerary and thought that I would share it with you and take suggestions. I apologize if there are too many questions, but I'm trying to cover all of the bases.

I am flying in on March 4th, arriving around 1:30pm. I am departing to the States on March 6th around 5:00pm. I have all day after I arrive, after 6pm on day 2, and all day before I leave on day 3.

If I came into town during the day and wanted to do some window shopping, where should I concentrate my hunting grounds for MPs?

I will be staying at a Hampton Inn very close to the airport. I will be relying on taxi service to get around for personal exploits.

What is the average taxi price to get back and forth from the airport to the part of town where I will be on the prowl?

Is a weekday somewhat early excursion to Infinito worth doing, or would I be better served bouncing to a few MPs during the daylight hours? What is the typical protocol for MP service? Also, what is the expectation at the club leading up to a potential "salida"? Are private drinks and dances pretty much expected with the chicas before they will leave with you? What about 2 girl parties? When is the BEST time to hit the club?

Is it easy to get taxi service to and from the hourly notel that I will be needing? Is there a good, clean, safe, one in close proximity to Infinito?

I remember reading something about an herbal remedy available at the farmacia that was worth checking out. Anyone remember the name?

I appreciate any and all feedback from you guys who know the lay of the land and sort of know how things shake down in that part of the world. Thanks for all of your help.

Sean

Sean... staying at the airport means at least like a 20-25 dll taxi fare to the downtown area of the city (make it like 20 dlls).

Ok, once at the downtown area, I suggest going to the lunch buffets of either the Prestige or the Obsession.

Window shopping: you can go to the Infinito and from there, there are at least 10 MPs at walking distance from the club.
In that area, the mean MP price is 200 pesos, plus tips (make it 200 pesos more).

Weekdays: you are coming in on a Thursday... a good day at any club.

Budget a 350 peso salida as a barfine and 1000 pesos for the girl.

Are private drinks and dances pretty much expected with the chicas before they will leave with you? Yes and no, depends on the club.

What about 2 girl parties? For that you would have to move to a different area, a little further away from the Infinito to a club called the Pasarelas.

When is the BEST time to hit the club? depends... afternoond shift clubs, like 7 pm. Nightshift.... 11 pm.

Is it easy to get taxi service to and from the hourly notel that I will be needing? You can get it at the hotel.

Is there a good, clean, safe, one in close proximity to Infinito? Yes. Many.

I remember reading something about an herbal remedy available at the farmacia that was worth checking out. Anyone remember the name?
Answer: M- Force. You can get it at the Farmacia Benavides drugstores... but you can buy at any drugstore any ED drug without a prescription. be it Viagra, Cialis or Levitra.

Sean, can you PM me?
I have made a Google map of Monterrey I can send you that will give you a total idea of the city....













[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Ok gentlemen. I finally have a confirmed itinerary and thought that I would share it with you and take suggestions. I apologize if there are too many questions, but I'm trying to cover all of the bases.

I am flying in on March 4th, arriving around 1:30pm. I am departing to the States on March 6th around 5:00pm. I have all day after I arrive, after 6pm on day 2, and all day before I leave on day 3.

If I came into town during the day and wanted to do some window shopping, where should I concentrate my hunting grounds for MPs?

I will be staying at a Hampton Inn very close to the airport. I will be relying on taxi service to get around for personal exploits.

What is the average taxi price to get back and forth from the airport to the part of town where I will be on the prowl?

Is a weekday somewhat early excursion to Infinito worth doing, or would I be better served bouncing to a few MPs during the daylight hours? What is the typical protocol for MP service? Also, what is the expectation at the club leading up to a potential "salida"? Are private drinks and dances pretty much expected with the chicas before they will leave with you? What about 2 girl parties? When is the BEST time to hit the club?

Is it easy to get taxi service to and from the hourly notel that I will be needing? Is there a good, clean, safe, one in close proximity to Infinito?

I remember reading something about an herbal remedy available at the farmacia that was worth checking out. Anyone remember the name?

I appreciate any and all feedback from you guys who know the lay of the land and sort of know how things shake down in that part of the world. Thanks for all of your help.

Sean[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all of your advice. I'm not sure if it really makes a difference, but I am arriving on a Tuesday--not Thursday. My schedule should work perfectly for what I have in mind. I couldn't PM you because I'm not a paying member yet, and I don't have my internet CC handy at the moment. But you can communicate with me directly by sending correspondence to [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]

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No problem Sean... here's the Google map I been working on:

[url]http://********/kqmUd[/url]


My main problem was that the link was to big, but I managed to compress it.

Check the map. You'll find hotels, restaurants... SCs of course and MPs

If you have any more questions... just shoot.


[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Thanks for all of your advice. I'm not sure if it really makes a difference, but I am arriving on a Tuesday--not Thursday. My schedule should work perfectly for what I have in mind. I couldn't PM you because I'm not a paying member yet, and I don't have my internet CC handy at the moment. But you can communicate with me directly by sending correspondence to [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]

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Amigomio,

A million thanks for this map.
This is a real help !

You deserve a "cerveza"


[QUOTE=Amigomio]No problem Sean... here's the Google map I been working on:

[url]http://********/kqmUd[/url]


My main problem was that the link was to big, but I managed to compress it.

Check the map. You'll find hotels, restaurants... SCs of course and MPs

If you have any more questions... just shoot.[/QUOTE]

Sean, Albert... be glad to hear your input.

You can drop any comment, pointers, Etc. on the map page too.... like someone from Monterrey already did so...





[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Amigomio,

A million thanks for this map.
This is a real help !

You deserve a "cerveza"[/QUOTE]

AmigoMio,

Wow, I am truly amazed and thankful for such an awesome resource. I had no idea of the amount of services available. I am definitely excited about my upcoming trip!!

Will be around... ask your questions.

[QUOTE=Sean Juan]AmigoMio,

Wow, I am truly amazed and thankful for such an awesome resource. I had no idea of the amount of services available. I am definitely excited about my upcoming trip!![/QUOTE]

Carlos,

You have truly out-done yourself with that new map! This is the kind of resource that makes WSG worthwhile . . .

Cheers, -P

Thank you Proko.... and please, being that you come to Mty from time to time, I would also like your input on the map...



[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Carlos,

You have truly out-done yourself with that new map! This is the kind of resource that makes WSG worthwhile . . .

Cheers, -P[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I was wondering if someone who cannot speak Spanish be able to get around Monterrey and the surrounding areas?

Thanks.

Basicly speaking, many people understand English... at least they manage to understand.
Monterrey is a city of almost 4 million, you'll be surprised to see that at the well to do areas like the Colonia del Valle district, Contry, San Nicolas area, everyone can speak English.

Let me ask you one thing: Does that answer your question or my I ask, what do you mean by surroounding areas?


[QUOTE=Wickid8]Hi,

I was wondering if someone who cannot speak Spanish be able to get around Monterrey and the surrounding areas?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]No problem Sean... here's the Google map I been working on:

[url]http://********/kqmUd[/url]


My main problem was that the link was to big, but I managed to compress it.

Check the map. You'll find hotels, restaurants... SCs of course and MPs

If you have any more questions... just shoot.[/QUOTE]Ooops!

Sorry Amigomio.

I sent without noticiing you posted this map!

Your the best bro!

if you hang out in the low-end clubs area, good luck finding a soul that speaks, yet alone understands, english. but who needs it anyway? it's the fun part of being in a foreign country where you know no one and can't even tell them that you want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. yet, amazingly, you will always be able to tell them you want to f*&^k.

i would not worry about the language wickid. the nicer neighborhoods are used to tourists and speak english well enough. the upper class areas are well versed and you have to remind yourself not to speak as freely as you would in the low-end clubs.


[quote=amigomio]basicly speaking, many people understand english... at least they manage to understand.
monterrey is a city of almost 4 million, you'll be surprised to see that at the well to do areas like the colonia del valle district, contry, san nicolas area, everyone can speak english.

let me ask you one thing: does that answer your question or my i ask, what do you mean by surroounding areas?[/quote]

Carlos, way to go. Great map.

Wasted

Since you all don't have a Recommended Hotels or Hotels separate Topic, like us in PERU section.

How far is these hotels from where the nightclubs (disco's,not SPs).

Fiesta Americana

Aurelio Aceves 225

Marriot

Sheraton

Intercontinental

Saludos

i agree, carlos is correct that in the upper middle classes, english is routinely spoken, and usually quite fluently, usually among those that have been college educated.

however, you will find that most of the mexicanos you will be dealing with, especially on the level we are coming in contact with in the clubs, the hotels, the restaurants, etc..., most are barely educated beyond high school, and it's quite obvious that some did not apply themselves well in their primary education. many, many girls are borderline illiterate even with respect to spanish, much less english. if you could only see the text messages i get from the girls. their spanish grammar is non-existent, their spelling terrible, and it sometimes takes considerable effort to determine what they are texting, and they're texting in spanish.

so, in dealing with 98% of the girls, the waiters, the managers in the clubs, hotel personnel, etc...your knowledge of spanish will definitely affect your ability to achieve what is achievable were you to otherwise be fluent in spanish.

however, i must admit that part of our charm as gringos is our "cutsy" ability to communicate with them. sometimes, i believe i was better off a couple of years ago, prior to being able to communicate on a level that i am now capable of. with all the communication, comes a much deeper meaning that can literally get in the way of a mongerer's primary goal.

but, that having been said about language issues, most mexicanos are very gracious, understanding, helpful, and patient. also, as wasted pointed out, sometimes half the fun is navigating a new environment. bring your spanish dictionary and have blast.


[quote=wastedgman]if you hang out in the low-end clubs area, good luck finding a soul that speaks, yet alone understands, english. but who needs it anyway? it's the fun part of being in a foreign country where you know no one and can't even tell them that you want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. yet, amazingly, you will always be able to tell them you want to f*&^k.

i would not worry about the language wickid. the nicer neighborhoods are used to tourists and speak english well enough. the upper class areas are well versed and you have to remind yourself not to speak as freely as you would in the low-end clubs.[/quote]

Fiesta Americana: Walking distance to the Barrio Antiguo

Marriot: You have to be more specific with this one

Sheraton: Walking distance

Intercontinental: 10 minute taxi drive.

Consider please the Howard Johnson... also walking distance, but just across the Barrio Antiguo.

Radisson Ancira too.

Both the Radisson and the Sheraton are 5 star hotels, but both are quoting 4 star hotel rates right now.





[QUOTE=ChicagoDancer]Since you all don't have a Recommended Hotels or Hotels separate Topic, like us in PERU section.

How far is these hotels from where the nightclubs (disco's,not SPs).

Fiesta Americana

Aurelio Aceves 225

Marriot

Sheraton

Intercontinental

Saludos[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys for your thoughts on the language issue.

Amigomio, I was referring to areas outside of Monterrey and wondered if I would encounter difficulties in regard to not being able to speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Fiesta Americana: Walking distance to the Barrio Antiguo

Marriot: You have to be more specific with this one

Sheraton: Walking distance

Intercontinental: 10 minute taxi drive.

Consider please the Howard Johnson... also walking distance, but just across the Barrio Antiguo.

Radisson Ancira too.

Both the Radisson and the Sheraton are 5 star hotels, but both are quoting 4 star hotel rates right now.[/QUOTE]I think the Sheraton is a real bargain close to everything.Monterrey is very friendly city with so many pretty girls that my head was spinning after i made my first trip there in December.For anyone thinking about going there i think you'll be impressed.

Gracias.. Muchos Gracias.. Mi nuevo amigo..

IT was truly kind of you.

I have found 2 Marriots, I think I meant the San Jeronimo Marriot.

Saludos

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Fiesta Americana: Walking distance to the Barrio Antiguo

Marriot: You have to be more specific with this one

Sheraton: Walking distance

Intercontinental: 10 minute taxi drive.

Consider please the Howard Johnson... also walking distance, but just across the Barrio Antiguo.

Radisson Ancira too.

Both the Radisson and the Sheraton are 5 star hotels, but both are quoting 4 star hotel rates right now.[/QUOTE]

I guess the answer could be "yes"...


[QUOTE=Wickid8]Thanks guys for your thoughts on the language issue.

Amigomio, I was referring to areas outside of Monterrey and wondered if I would encounter difficulties in regard to not being able to speak Spanish.[/QUOTE]

The further away from the sophistication of the city, the less likely they will speak any English at all.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]I guess the answer could be "yes"...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The further away from the sophistication of the city, the less likely they will speak any English at all.[/QUOTE]USB:

When I start reading the board I always look into Carlos, You and Waste reports, I'm glad you come back from where ever you were

SD

Hi Sugardaddy,

Well, I've been in Germany and Switzerland, and it's been a little time over the holidays away from the boards. I've been quite active, visiting Monterrey a lot, but just not posting it here.

Concerning your comment about my being absent, I am much more careful these days after having endured the BS writings of a certain individual that literally enjoys taunting me, posting totally bogus reports about a girl I am extremely close to, desiring to injure me with lies about her posted on the board. So, I've chosen to be comparatively silent. I found that by exposing my exploits here, due to the malice of a certain individual, it only serves to sabotage my own fun.

I have been accused of writing BS, and of bragging about my exploits by this certain individual. I have no interest in tooting my own horn, and in order to demonstrate that my contributions were merely to illustrate for those who are interested, the means to achieving my kind of experience, and to demonstrate that the option to live my kind of GFE does indeed exist in Monterrey, I provided significant detail. But, to demonstrate that I can easily abstain, and to show that I have no interest in my own agenda, in patting myself on the back, or in perpetuating the dillussions I am accused of having, I've been absent from the board.

My absence has been two fold. I always contributed solely to illustrate my exploits for those that may benefit from the details, and hopefully my silence will demonstrate that I have no agenda to congratulate myself in a public forum. But, additionally, I have come to realize that the details of my exploits only serve to sabotage my own fun, and literally, on at least one occasion, served to endanger my private life, all due to this one individual's personal demons.

I will never again disclose anything of substantive specific value where it can be used against me. You might also notice that others of us that are regular visitors to Monterrey, and formerly prolific commentators here, have reached the same conclusions. We are commenting significantly less here lately,and certainly with less detail. It's a shame, but we have one individual to thank for this result developing.

I always check the board almost on a daily basis, and respond to private messages sent to me. But, I am not commenting on this board. The only thing of value in the last three months has been Carlos' fantastic map. But, more importantly, the board really discourages me daily, when I find literally nothing written, sometimes weeks upon weeks with no commentary, not even my kind of meaningless drivel to pass the time. We are definitely the poorer for this circumstance to have developed.

Carlos, and his contributions, are legendary. But, you will also always notice that his contributions are never specific with regard to his personal exploits. He is wise, knowledgeable, and careful. I have decided to also be less visible. I have a stalker, it seems.

But, for your reading enjoyment (hopefully), I will post a trip report now, one that was based on a former trip to Monterrey several weeks ago, but one I chose not to publish because I was disappointed with the circumstances on this board. I will post a trip report in the USB Section, and even the trip report from my time in Germany, but more as a comparative analysis between Monterrey and Germany, even though I realize that it's probably also more applicable to the Germany section. That's why I will post it in the USB section to avoid any criticism.

Thanks for the kind words Sugardaddy...


[QUOTE=Sugardaddy 1718]USB:

When I start reading the board I always look into Carlos, You and Waste reports, I'm glad you come back from where ever you were

SD[/QUOTE]

Can you guys tell me if any of the girl-friendly hotels have internet access in the rooms? What about wifi?

[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Can you guys tell me if any of the girl-friendly hotels have internet access in the rooms? What about wifi?[/QUOTE]As far as Notels, none of them had internet access in my best knowlege, 4 stars hotels got internet access.

If you are goning to Monterrey and want to check your e-mails there are a lot, and I mean a lot of Internet cafes where you can have access to the Web, also most of the fast food restaurants, (Carl's Jr for example) has WiFi.

The only thing you won't find in Monterrey compare to the States are Freeways, get paid in Dollars and LEO going after you for mongering.

Happy mongering and enjoy

SD

There is only one girl friendly hotel that carries that and it's the Sheraton Ambassador, a 5 star hotel in the dowtown hotel district.
No hotel will allow female companionship to the room.
(My ony doubt is the Howard Johnson located in the same area... they use to allow it).

There are others, like the Four Points Sheraton at the Galerias Monterrey area, but you have to get the girl from across a pedestrian crossing that conects the mall with the hotel, or the Hampton Inn Galerias, but that changes on a daily basis, depending on security.

The rest of the hotels like the Plaza del Arco that are girlfriendly, but have very limited, close to one computer in the lobby, internet access.



[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Can you guys tell me if any of the girl-friendly hotels have internet access in the rooms? What about wifi?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the responses. I've been gleaning info from this site for awhile now and plan on making my first pilgrimage in a couple of months.

All the tips and wisdom here should come in handy, and I look forward to a good time!

Just ask your questions.... we'll be around.

I might have missed the post, but have you checked my Monterrey map noted on reports of distinction???


[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Thanks for the responses. I've been gleaning info from this site for awhile now and plan on making my first pilgrimage in a couple of months.

All the tips and wisdom here should come in handy, and I look forward to a good time![/QUOTE]

Send me a Private Message...

[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Can you guys tell me if any of the girl-friendly hotels have internet access in the rooms? What about wifi?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Just ask your questions.... we'll be around.

I might have missed the post, but have you checked my Monterrey map noted on reports of distinction???[/QUOTE]If you mean the google map, yes and I definitely plan on relying on that when I come.

Just wanted to drop you a line to say thanks for all of your insight as well as the Google map. I'm coming to town on Tuesday and think that I have a plan of attack so to speak. I look forward to a great time in Monterrey and am equally pleased about the fact that I'll be coming back a couple of more times in the next month or so.

Gracias por todos y muchos saludos,

Sean

Have a few ?'s to the forum that I was hoping someone could answer for me. First, does anyone know if it is possible to get 2-girl FS from the MP's for 3-way action? If not, what is the best way to go about arranging a 2-girl party? Also, is it understood by the chicas that work in a MP that FS is "expected" so to speak, or do you need to negotiate that through the tip on an individual basis? Additionally, does FS imply that "anything goes" and all holes are open for business, or is that a separate negotiation? I have kind of pinpointed Marcella's or Romano's for a MP excursion based on some previous reports and am simply interested in knowing the proper protocol once I walk through the door. What ?'s should I ask, and which ones should I avoid (if any)?

Thanks for all of the help, and I will see you guys on Tuesday!

Sean

I was also wondering if there was a certain protocol that I should follow when going to a SC? Or should I just locate a chica that I like and tell her that I am interested in a "salida"? Or is there someone else at the club that I need to be negotiating with? Sorry for all of the last minute ?'s, but I've busy busy with work trying to ensure that I have plenty of play time while in Monterrey. Also, I'm guessing from the lack of photos that it is difficult to capture any playtime on either camera or video? Any advice in that arena?

Thanks again guys,

Sean

Sean,

Yes, virtually all the girls at a MP know the score and often will tell you upfront exactly what you'll receive. Some would be shocked to actually give you a real massage . . .

The "normal" basic offering is CBJ followed by 1 to 3 positions. One shot on goal and 30 minutes total. Everything else can be arranged at a cost. Some chicas will do anal. Many will not. Some BBBJ, some CIM. Others no - regardless of extra money. Most places are very fair, but some will try to upsell for everything from taking off her clothes to even taking off her top.

My best advice is to visit Signore first. IMO this is the best low-end MP in Monterrey and has been in business for over 10? years. Check out the afternoon special - usually around 100-150 pesos. I have never been up-sold on the basics here and they usually have several attractive ladies. Also large rooms with king-size beds. It is much more comfortable than some of the other places. You can usually find bbbj and anal here, for 200-300 pesos more. Check out their web-site. The services are listed (but not prices) along with a picture gallery of the working girls. Also 3- somes are possible (at least at Signore), depending upon the chicas working that day- but don't expect an afternoon 3-some to be 2 x 100 pesos. Probably would start around 500. Also realize that more girls will do a 3-some if they are NOT required to have sex with the other chica. They will take turns blowing or fucking you and will usually require a change of condoms each time. IMO, this is a fun fantasy every now and then, but usually over-rated. I would prefer to concentrate on a single woman. There will never be any kind of a GFE with 2 chicas.

Another interesting thing is just to make the rounds and visit 4-5 MP's to see who is available. Tire kicking. Near the SCs there are at least 8-10 within easy walking distance. Hopefully, you can speak some Spanish. But if not, it is still worth your while. Just smile, be cool and not intimidated by the situation.

Good Luck, -P

I do agree with Prokofiev.

Sean, if you check the Google map, the Infinito MC is the center of the Villagran St universe. Around it you will find like 12 MPs.
I totally agree wit Prokofiev that it will be hard at first hand girls for 3some and yes, sometimes that 3some will mean having 2 girls in bed without any of them interacting.
Totally agree on that.

I disagree with Prokofiev in the sense that more upscale MPs like Misses, Marcella and Romanos will offer you 3somes with girls that will be interactive, but the cost might sky rocket anywhere from 1500 -2000 pesos per girl as opposed to a satisfactory FS at a place like Signore with a starting price of 150 pesos (plus extras), which I also agree, it is one of the best MPs in Monterrey for priced payed.

Sean, be aware that getting 3somes will be costly.

By experience, mine and of many, the only place where you can get bi-girls for a satisfactory 3some will only be at the SC.

50% of the Infinito girls are bi... almost 100% of the Pasarelas girls are bi (am not kidding.. point to a girl and she is bi).

Usually the average is 1000 pesos for the girls and the bar fine (350 at infinito 800 at the Pasarelas), which places us again at the level of "costly".

Anyway... what you should do is just don't go to a MP or a SC and say I want 2 girls for a 3some... doing that will get you 2 girls and a high risk of throwing your money away.

Picking by yourself the 2 girls might place you in the high end risk of getting girls that do not like each other or that simply put, will not do the job you want.

Get a girl... one girl that will do bi (tell them "no shows... derecho") and once you pick the girl, ask her who her "favorita" for bi is.

That is the way to do it.







[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Sean,

Yes, virtually all the girls at a MP know the score and often will tell you upfront exactly what you'll receive. Some would be shocked to actually give you a real massage . . .

The "normal" basic offering is CBJ followed by 1 to 3 positions. One shot on goal and 30 minutes total. Everything else can be arranged at a cost. Some chicas will do anal. Many will not. Some BBBJ, some CIM. Others no - regardless of extra money. Most places are very fair, but some will try to upsell for everything from taking off her clothes to even taking off her top.

My best advice is to visit Signore first. IMO this is the best low-end MP in Monterrey and has been in business for over 10? years. Check out the afternoon special - usually around 100-150 pesos. I have never been up-sold on the basics here and they usually have several attractive ladies. Also large rooms with king-size beds. It is much more comfortable than some of the other places. You can usually find bbbj and anal here, for 200-300 pesos more. Check out their web-site. The services are listed (but not prices) along with a picture gallery of the working girls. Also 3- somes are possible (at least at Signore), depending upon the chicas working that day- but don't expect an afternoon 3-some to be 2 x 100 pesos. Probably would start around 500. Also realize that more girls will do a 3-some if they are NOT required to have sex with the other chica. They will take turns blowing or fucking you and will usually require a change of condoms each time. IMO, this is a fun fantasy every now and then, but usually over-rated. I would prefer to concentrate on a single woman. There will never be any kind of a GFE with 2 chicas.

Another interesting thing is just to make the rounds and visit 4-5 MP's to see who is available. Tire kicking. Near the SCs there are at least 8-10 within easy walking distance. Hopefully, you can speak some Spanish. But if not, it is still worth your while. Just smile, be cool and not intimidated by the situation.

Good Luck, -P[/QUOTE]

I would like to publicly thank Amigomio for having taken some of his time yesterday to meet and to chat about some “inside clues” of mongering life in Monterrey.
I was a member of the (in)famous Shanghai Gang. Would it be possible to create a Monterrey Gang ?

We met at Infinito.
Entrance fee is 10 Pesos and beer, only Carta Blanca available, is 17 Pesos.
It was very crowded.
In general quality of girls was not bad and prices either, as it goes from 150 Pesos (for oral) to <gosh, I forgot> Pesos (for FS).
Even I was in the mood, I didn’t go with any girl.
Only one girl, I would have spent time together, was a real hot black-haired petite with silicon boobs (which I don’t like). Apparently she is very requested, as she was usually taken a few seconds after coming down from “privados”.

Maybe it is worthwhile to grab a girl and to go upstairs once to see atmosphere.

This Sunday afternoon, which is dead I know, don’t blame me, I wanted to try Marcella and I decided to visit another couple in same area, just to see how they are and to compare.

So I went first to Bad Girls, located in Cuauhtemoc 460.
It is an isolated small white building which is well marked on the outside, so you cannot miss it. Apparently they have renovated and re-opened recently. So for this reason, they offer promotion: 200 Pesos. I walked in. Only a girl available, or I should say a lady. Anyhow, nothing worthwhile despite promotion.

Then I moved a little south in Juan Ignacio Ramon Pte (which means West) to search for Intenzzo but I could’t find it. Basing on Amigomio’s map it should be almost at the corner between above mentioned street and Ignacio Lopez Rayon. Anyhow, it didn’t matter as my target was a different one: Marcella.

This MP is located at 220 of Ignacio Allende Pte. It is a white building with a big 220 in red colour. I walked in and only two girls there. One ugly and one hot. I asked info about cost and service: it was said 500 Pesos for 40 minute session. I asked what was included: it was said CBJ and FS. Then I made a precise question: may a make multiple shots in this time. It was answered: yes. I was satisfied and I decided to go upstairs with the hot girl (it was good I had already booked her as another customer came in at that time).
Place seems clean and room upstairs are comfortable enough.
Problem was that it was “one shot” deal, differently to what I understood. A further shot would have required payment of 500 Pesos more.
Maybe it is house rule (as Prokofiev states a couple of posts back), or just the girl was tired (her shift started night before).
Anyhow, I didn’t insist too much as the very poor attitude of the girl was a real turn-off.
However, when leaving I claimed with papa san at entrance.

Now usual stats:
name: Jinette (or other similar)
age: 25
height: 155-160 cm
weight: 45-50 kg
face: 9/10
body: 7/10
hair: black, long
skin: soft
skills: 6/10
attitude: 3/10 (as a possible reason for that, she had worked from previous night)
foreplay: no
kissing: no
showering together: not requested
CBJ: average, no ball licking
CIM: no
swallowing: no
COF: no
AR: not requested
DATY: not requested
FS: satisfactory, various positions
ANAL: not requested
fare: 500
repeat: no (a pity, because girl is attractive and her pussy tight)

I've had a number of two-somes and three-somes in Asia and Colombia. You know, it is the quintessential male fantasy to have an orgy with more than one girl.

It's especially a distraction from GFE, if that is your preference. And, while these are hookers, they are women first. That reality can NOT be underestimated.

ALL women want to be the center of attention, and hookers are NO DIFFERENT. So, if they're sharing the spotlight with one another, unless they themselves are bi-sexual or lesbian, you can almost count on them waiting their turn in lieu of attacking you in concert. The fact is, if they are bi-sexual or lesbian, you can almost count on them potentially ignoring you in favor of their amiga(s).

The truth is, even if they are totally heterosexual, most of the girls are lazy, and they will hang back while waiting their turn versus attacking you simultaneously. Most will never attack you like in the pornos....UNFORTUNATE, but true. It just isn't part of their psyche. They don't understand the male need. And, even if they did, you are dealing with girls that do not have a lot of benevolence in their personalities.

I think that it can be pretty titillating leading up to the sex. Because, the girls can be pretty entertaining. I was in Colombia once and had two girls in the room. I offered $20US to the first one to strip and dance for me. Both of them were out of their clothes, completely nude, and giving me privado style dances in an effort to earn the bucks. One of these girls was a real newbie too, but $20US is a huge motivator. She was the first one out of her clothes. That is the only instance of a two-some that I can actually recall with any fond reminiscent recollection. Of course I had sex with both. But, I do not remember the sex, only the fun leading up to sex.

But, in the final analysis, upon having experienced a number of these trists, I found myself preferring to pay attention to the one, and concentrating on setting the stage to achieve GFE. That, in and of itself, is a lot of work.

To splinter your effort only diminishes the experience, and most of the girls do not have the sensitivity to understand what we want, and that their simultaneous participation is a fantasy fulfilled for us. Unless they're very smart, and enlightened about men, which most of these girls are not, they do not perceive our sexuality, and they have no clue about male sexuality, and more accurately, nor are they usually conscientious enough to even care. There are, of course, always exceptions, but I have never found one.

Therefore, consider this, the money spent on a two-some or three-some can be used more effectively to your own satisfaction on single encounters. Just some sage advise. But, every man has to experience the orgy...I totally understand.

Albert,
There is one thing I forgot to mention on Saturday about MPs... you have to tip the girls for extras and most important: a good mood.

I must make clear one thing. I don't like MPs but that doesn't mean I don't know how they work, prices, girl quality, workplace quality etc.

Regular MP customers, be it MTY locals or out of town mongers opt for the initial quote of 150 -180 at places like Faraonas, Signore, Millenium and will just stick to that price and get a "strictly by the book" half/half, a quick pop, with the girl burning 5-10 minutes out of the room, of the 20-30 minutes the MP gives you.

For a demanding customer to get a decent service you need to tip the girls.
Average tip is 200 pesos (increments of 100 pesos) for a BBBJ (something I would never do) or nice service ("buen servicio de tu parte").
(One thing... multimple pops... not in an MP)

Prokovief mentions that at a regular MP a good tip is 200-300 pesos.
But at Marcella... specially at that place opening price is 500, but to get a really good service you need to pay 400 extra pesos anting the price to 900... maybe more.


PS: it is a Sunday.... wait till you check the places on weekdays.





[QUOTE=Albert Punter]This Sunday afternoon, which is dead I know, don’t blame me, I wanted to try Marcella and I decided to visit another couple in same area, just to see how they are and to compare.

So I went first to Bad Girls, located in Cuauhtemoc 460.
It is an isolated small white building which is well marked on the outside, so you cannot miss it. Apparently they have renovated and re-opened recently. So for this reason, they offer promotion: 200 Pesos. I walked in. Only a girl available, or I should say a lady. Anyhow, nothing worthwhile despite promotion.

Then I moved a little south in Juan Ignacio Ramon Pte (which means West) to search for Intenzzo but I could’t find it. Basing on Amigomio’s map it should be almost at the corner between above mentioned street and Ignacio Lopez Rayon. Anyhow, it didn’t matter as my target was a different one: Marcella.

This MP is located at 220 of Ignacio Allende Pte. It is a white building with a big 220 in red colour. I walked in and only two girls there. One ugly and one hot. I asked info about cost and service: it was said 500 Pesos for 40 minute session. I asked what was included: it was said CBJ and FS. Then I made a precise question: may a make multiple shots in this time. It was answered: yes. I was satisfied and I decided to go upstairs with the hot girl (it was good I had already booked her as another customer came in at that time).
Place seems clean and room upstairs are comfortable enough.
Problem was that it was “one shot” deal, differently to what I understood. A further shot would have required payment of 500 Pesos more.
Maybe it is house rule (as Prokofiev states a couple of posts back), or just the girl was tired (her shift started night before).
Anyhow, I didn’t insist too much as the very poor attitude of the girl was a real turn-off.
However, when leaving I claimed with papa san at entrance.

Now usual stats:
name: Jinette (or other similar)
age: 25
height: 155-160 cm
weight: 45-50 kg
face: 9/10
body: 7/10
hair: black, long
skin: soft
skills: 6/10
attitude: 3/10 (as a possible reason for that, she had worked from previous night)
foreplay: no
kissing: no
showering together: not requested
CBJ: average, no ball licking
CIM: no
swallowing: no
COF: no
AR: not requested
DATY: not requested
FS: satisfactory, various positions
ANAL: not requested
fare: 500
repeat: no (a pity, because girl is attractive and her pussy tight)[/QUOTE]

Sean and others,

My last trip to Monterrey was exactly a year ago, so some of my info may? be dated . . . but I had sex 6 times at various MP's and paid 200 pesos TOTAL each time. That includes the propina. No 200 peso propina. 200 total!

Do me a favor. Go to Signore during the afternoon and pay the special 120 peso rate. Maybe it is 150 pesos now. Whatever. Tell the chica you will give her 200 total. Don't just stick your head in and leave. Don't chicken out! Just do it. Force yourself. Only $19 US. No more. Pick the girl you find most appealing. Talk to her. Have sex with her. Man-up and just try it. If you don't like her, you don't have to shoot your load. Just have a little fun and leave . . . after all it is only around $20!! Then report back.

The MP experience is quite different from the SC experience. The clubs are dark and noisy. The MP's are usually light and quiet. The SC girls are made up and dressed up, with big shoes. The MP girls are often without make-up and barefoot. In the MP's you have sex in a bed or massage table. In a SC in a folding chair in the dark. It is a totally different vibe. MP's can be intimidating if you can't interact with women well. Strip clubs less so, since you can't see them well and can barely talk to them over the loud music. It can be more like a dream sequence than reality . . .

Everybody likes something different. Some guys like a flock of SC chicas around them saying "Ooooh Papi!!" and drinking 100 peso drinks to stroke their ego. That only makes me feel like a chump. It is totally artificial. You know it. The girls know it. Every guy in the club knows it. You usually end up dropping major coin on BS. But if that's your thing, cool. Go for it. It's only money.

But check out Matehuala and Infinito (SCs) and Signore (MP) first. Then move on to other clubs and Romanos or Misses later. Start on the low end and move up the food chain. Keep an open mind. If you need something extra, go for it. BBBJ and anal will be extra. Usually quite a bit extra. If that's important, OK. Everyone has a different price / quality/ experience ratio. No one can help you with that decision . . . only give you the necessary info to make an informed decision.

Also you will find that take-out can be both expensive and not always available. You may have to work the chica on several visits before she will agree to leave the club and go back to your hotel. Maybe Carlos can help, telling the girls and the clubs that you are safe. I asked a shy looking chica to go back to my hotel for 1000 pesos and the barfine and she refused - saying that she normally didn't do that and did not know me. Again, YMMV and enough time and cash spent can solve that problem.

Good Luck, -P

" Problem was that it was “one shot” deal, differently to what I understood. A further shot would have required payment of 500 Pesos more.
Maybe it is house rule (as Prokofiev states a couple of posts back), or just the girl was tired (her shift started night before).
Anyhow, I didn’t insist too much as the very poor attitude of the girl was a real turn-off.
However, when leaving I claimed with papa san at entrance "

Albert,

Do you speak Spanish? English is clearly not your native tongue. Are you Asian? Are you sure you understood each other?? It is rare that a MP will give you multiple shots, even if you did not use all your time. Maybe there was a communicaion problem . . .

I would go to Signore tomorrow afternoon and see what is available. You could have 2 sessions with the same or different girls for the 500 pesos that you spent. Don't agree to extra time or extra services until you know you really like the girl and that she has a good/reasonable attitude. Giving a tip up front is usually a waste of time. Make her work for a tip. Try to control or guide the situation. It is your money until she earns it. Be kind, but firm.

Check my Google map Prokovief... many MPs and places that you never knew existed.
Hope you can get to vist them.
Hope my map can get you oriented.
Like I posted just recently... I don't like MPs, but I am very proficient on the subject now.

Prokovief, there are some intresting places outside the main downtown area, like Horoscope where the starting price is 350 and boasts nice girls.
Deborah's that starts at 250... many, many that can be your next target when you come back.
About prices... I did not add "mean price".
Yes, some start at 120 as some have a 100 pesos special you mention for a 15 minute doggie style no top taken off.

Have in mind that the further you get form the axis formed by the Infinito and the MPs that surround it, the higher the starting price gets.

Again, check my Google map at reports of distinction.
I would like your pointers if you could... am still polishing it.


[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Sean and others,

My last trip to Monterrey was exactly a year ago, so some of my info may? be dated . . . but I had sex 6 times at various MP's and paid 200 pesos TOTAL each time. That includes the propina. No 200 peso propina. 200 total!

Do me a favor. Go to Signore during the afternoon and pay the special 120 peso rate. Maybe it is 150 pesos now. Whatever. Tell the chica you will give her 200 total. Don't just stick your head in and leave. Don't chicken out! Just do it. Force yourself. Only $19 US. No more. Pick the girl you find most appealing. Talk to her. Have sex with her. Man-up and just try it. If you don't like her, you don't have to shoot your load. Just have a little fun and leave . . . after all it is only around $20!! Then report back.

The MP experience is quite different from the SC experience. The clubs are dark and noisy. The MP's are usually light and quiet. The SC girls are made up and dressed up, with big shoes. The MP girls are often without make-up and barefoot. In the MP's you have sex in a bed or massage table. In a SC in a folding chair in the dark. It is a totally different vibe. MP's can be intimidating if you can't interact with women well. Strip clubs less so, since you can't see them well and can barely talk to them over the loud music. It can be more like a dream sequence than reality . . .

Everybody likes something different. Some guys like a flock of SC chicas around them saying "Ooooh Papi!!" and drinking 100 peso drinks to stroke their ego. That only makes me feel like a chump. It is totally artificial. You know it. The girls know it. Every guy in the club knows it. You usually end up dropping major coin on BS. But if that's your thing, cool. Go for it. It's only money.

But check out Matehuala and Infinito (SCs) and Signore (MP) first. Then move on to other clubs and Romanos or Misses later. Start on the low end and move up the food chain. Keep an open mind. If you need something extra, go for it. BBBJ and anal will be extra. Usually quite a bit extra. If that's important, OK. Everyone has a different price / quality/ experience ratio. No one can help you with that decision . . . only give you the necessary info to make an informed decision.

Also you will find that take-out can be both expensive and not always available. You may have to work the chica on several visits before she will agree to leave the club and go back to your hotel. Maybe Carlos can help, telling the girls and the clubs that you are safe. I asked a shy looking chica to go back to my hotel for 1000 pesos and the barfine and she refused - saying that she normally didn't do that and did not know me. Again, YMMV and enough time and cash spent can solve that problem.

Good Luck, -P[/QUOTE]

Prokofiev
Albert speaks perfect Spanish....
When I chatted with him at the Infinito, I did not have time enough to elaborate on the subject.
Basicly, he was caught on the newbie side, when Albert is everything but a newbie.
(It just skipped my mind that girls WILL trick you if they see you slip)
And he's looking for Intenzzo, Marcella, Romanos girl types, a notch or 2 above the Villagran st area MPs.

Before anything is said, as a local, me and many of my local friends would agree that there is a hugh abyss between a Romanos girl and a Signore girl or a Faraona's girl and a Marcella's girl.
Or a Versace girl and a Millenium MP girl.
But I have found and incredible not so comely girl at a place with only 2 girls called Abril that has a 3-4 person waiting list right there in line waiting for her.
She would never get a job at Marcella nor Misses, but she surpasses them by miles.
(300 peso all inclusive price for 30 minutes... see? the farther you get from Villagran, the higher the price)
A simple matter of taste.

The abyss is not as wide when comparing Signore quality to Horoscope or Deborah's... here the difference is pricewise.
Like a place know only as "Subasta de Virgenes" (Virgin Auction.. a long story, but true, yet another post) that has some nice girls with a starting price of 180 pesos, but HORRIBLE instalations where as at Signore for 150 you get serviced at one of the best business in Mty.
And this is 180 peso for a 20 minute pop!.... not 30 minutes as elsewhere.

Yes, this is very important: girls might tell you 30 minutes outside, but once inside, they'll run it down to 20 minutes.
The girl once inside will go out for the towels and burn 5 minutes out of the 30... down to 25, it's easy for the girls outside to cut it down to 20 minutes when they star yelling "tiempo".





[QUOTE=Prokofiev]" Problem was that it was “one shot” deal, differently to what I understood. A further shot would have required payment of 500 Pesos more.
Maybe it is house rule (as Prokofiev states a couple of posts back), or just the girl was tired (her shift started night before).
Anyhow, I didn’t insist too much as the very poor attitude of the girl was a real turn-off.
However, when leaving I claimed with papa san at entrance "

Albert,

Do you speak Spanish? English is clearly not your native tongue. Are you Asian? Are you sure you understood each other?? It is rare that a MP will give you multiple shots, even if you did not use all your time. Maybe there was a communicaion problem . . .

I would go to Signore tomorrow afternoon and see what is available. You could have 2 sessions with the same or different girls for the 500 pesos that you spent. Don't agree to extra time or extra services until you know you really like the girl and that she has a good/reasonable attitude. Giving a tip up front is usually a waste of time. Make her work for a tip. Try to control or guide the situation. It is your money until she earns it. Be kind, but firm.[/QUOTE]

Some of the rooms at Signore do not have a tv with the porno showing. You have to request it. Also, I had my best experience ever, pro or non-pro, with a girl named Paris at Bad Girls. She was an absolute total porn star.

Regarding Misses, the girl I was with allowed multiple pops for 2100 pesos/hour. I may have seen maybe two girls in the SC's, Wasted's P-girl being one, that were hotter than her. She was an absolute ten and all the others there (about 10 girls total) were 8+. If money is no concern, Misses is the best MP in Monterrey.

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]after all it is only around $20!![/QUOTE]

As you said, everyone has their preferences, and there is really no wrong answer.

I must admit, when you put it that way Prok, $20, the MPs, Signore in particular, are probably worth a serious look. I have ducked into Signore on rare occasion, and I have to admit, there has always been a relatively enticing girl or two there. Now, your comment about the appearance of girls in SC versus the MPs is an interesting one.

I appreciate the costumes the girls wear in the clubs. I am always a little disappointed when the girls get changed out of those costumes into street clothes when we go on salida. Some girls look really HOT in those costumes. And, to be honest, most of the girls, SC or MP, are not that attractive that they are that appealing without the help of some titillating costumes and makeup. So, I like that about the SCs.

That may be the reason that the girls in the MPs do not generally seem to compare to the SC girls with respect to appearance, when in reality they are more closely aligned void of makeup and costumes than not. But, conversely, on one of my last trips, I was with a friend on salida and she still had all the makeup on. She showed me a picture of her without makeup, and I thought she was much more attractive without it. So, it depends on the girl. And, plus, because the clubs are dark, and the makeup they wear is intended to enhance their appearances in dark clubs, it is usually grossly overdone. So, from that perspective, I can see your observation that the girls in MPs are not overly made up, and could even be more attractive than SC girls seen in the light of day in all their glory. But, just as true as that might be, sometimes girls seen au-natural are truly plain and homely in the light of day, versus being seen under the cover of darkness.

As for the girls agreeing to go on salida, it's totally a crap shoot. Some of the seasoned girls will go immediately. But, like the newbie I found on one of my last trips, she agreeing to go shocked me beyond belief. It's shocking because most newbies will NEVER even consider going. Even some of the most experienced girls will not go unless you are a fixture in the clubs, and they KNOW you're a safe bet.

You're right about one thing, the environment of the strip club is sometimes too aggravating to enjoy, with the loud music, the dishonest waiters, the hustle, etc...But, I can enjoy antics with the girls, even if it costs a few bucks for drinks. It's really not a fair comparison. The antics in the SC aren't really a mongering kind of activity in the clubs themselves. It's strictly socializing, and pretty mild stuff really, unless you go to the privados with them of course.

And what you said about seeing them in the privados is very true. I NEVER partake in the privados. That experience is totally disgusting to me, uncomfortable, dark, dirty, dingy, noisy, rushed...need I say more. However, there are reasons some guys have to partake in the privados, and I understand those reasons, and accept them as valid. Some guys don't have the time, resources, opportunity, or accommodations to do otherwise. In that case, they do the best they can, and the privados is their only regular option.

But, your observations about the strip clubs environment is why I take them on salida to begin with, other than the obvious. I just have to get them out of that environment to establish my own game plan for future encounters with them. In that sense, if you are a regular, and if you establish yourself with them, you can usually get the girls to go with you for just a little more than what it costs for an MP, plus tip.

Routinely, I have girls back to my hotel that stay for hours for 1000 pesos, and many that will stay for 2 hours for 500-800 pesos. When you factor in the time issue, it can be much more economical than spending $50 for 45 minutes of their time. Plus, there is the advantage to having my own props in the room, versus my being restricted to the environment provided by the MP, even if it is one that is relatively comfortable.

Albert's observation about "attitude" also distinguishes the girls in the MPs from the SC girls. There is a typical and anticipated difference in attitude of MP girls versus SC girls. The SC girls have social skills that generally exceed the social skills of the girls in the MPs because they literally rely on those abilities to extract money on drinks. They literally survive on their own wit and charm. So, that distinction should not be overlooked. And, more importantly, if attitude is of huge importance to a particular monger, and especially if GFE is their goal, then it should be factored into the mongers own routine when coming to MTY. However, there are always exceptions, just as Precocious One points out with respect to his girl at Misses.

As you said, to each his own. I only comment from my perspective to provide a fully objective point of view for those that are contemplating a visit. There are many satisfying options, and the full range of options is not a right or wrong one. However, it should also be mentioned that if you are an infrequent or occasional visitor, then trying to work the system the way I do may not be practical, or result in your being satisfied. I have had a lot of time to establish my own scenarios, and most guys who visit do so with little time to apply my same principles.

I'm please to see that every thing is back to normal in this thread, just like it is in Reynosa BT where I mostly play, growing up here (Monterrey) I always look into this thread and I'm happy to see that the long reports by USB and the wise reports by Amigo Mio are back, may be Wasted is busy elsewhere, but I hope I can escape my leech wife next time I go Monterrey, (I least I go to the MP's that open early).

Any way, thanks for making Monterrey so fun

SD

I've always done the SC "takeout" and have never even been to a MP, but want to try while in town. I'm definitely looking for a GFE experience which implies spending some time chatting up a girl in the club to build a repoire. I have had a few 3-somes whilst living in Costa Rica, so I've done it and would do it again. But it is definitely key to have the girls interacting to reap the full benefit of the fantasy. So I can forego that one based on your recommendations. Ok, I have a new game plan for tomorrow when I arrive.

Signore's will be first stop, do some browsing and possibly more.

Maybe do some windowshopping after my visit to Signore's to kill some time until shift change approaches @ Infinito.

Will hang there for a couple of hours to see if I can spot that Morena that's been dancing in my dreams (who is hopefully interested in a salida since I won't be doing any fucking inside of the club). :o)

Then I'll call it a day.

Hopefully, by the next day, I'll have a greater understanding of both the game and what I am looking for.

I had intended to go to Misses on Thursday before my flight leaves back to the States (at 5pm) and will probably do so unless I have an incredible encounter before then. Even at their prices, it's still less than here (for just one hour and single pop) and the quality of the girls is far superior to the local selection that I have. So that is really a no brainer for me since I like showering with the girls before AND after our session.

But whatever happens, none of it would be possible without you guys and your willingness to help a fellow mongerer out.

Since I will be coming back in a few weeks from now also (for a longer period this time), it would be interesting to possibly meet some of you guys.

I've done that in some other cities I've visited and had a pretty good time doing it, so let me know if you are interested, and I'll buy you a beer (or two).

Hasta manana y mucho appreciado por todos!

(sorry i don't have my keyboard setup for Spanish or I would have included the tilde above the 'n' in "manana", but I'm sure you get the point)

Saludos,

~Sean

Prokofiev,

I do speak Spanish, so I am afraid there was no misunderstanding at Marcella.
Many times we are victims of those so called "misunderstandings" and this is reason I had made so many questions before going upstairs.
Also, in my experience whenever you pay per time, multiple shots are possible (in MP too). Otherwise it is clearly said you pay per shot.


p.s. As you know English is not my native language ?
I think my English is so good to disguise my different origin
<<<<< quite obvious joke >>>>>


p.p.s. I travelled and mongered in Asia extensively, but I am not Asian


[QUOTE=Prokofiev]
Albert,

Do you speak Spanish? English is clearly not your native tongue. Are you Asian? Are you sure you understood each other?? It is rare that a MP will give you multiple shots, even if you did not use all your time. Maybe there was a communicaion problem . . .

I would go to Signore tomorrow afternoon and see what is available. You could have 2 sessions with the same or different girls for the 500 pesos that you spent. Don't agree to extra time or extra services until you know you really like the girl and that she has a good/reasonable attitude. Giving a tip up front is usually a waste of time. Make her work for a tip. Try to control or guide the situation. It is your money until she earns it. Be kind, but firm.[/QUOTE]

I know tipping is an extremely important motivation.
Normally, I am more than available to tip girls.
Sometimes I even tip them at end of service in case I think I may come back and use their services again.
However, in case of that girl, attitude was so annoying that I didn't even try.
As said, maybe it was just that after almost 24 hours at work, she was really pissed off of sucking cocks and getting penetrated and ... .

I can tell you this wasn't worst experience in my life, at least girl was type I was looking for.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]
Albert,
There is one thing I forgot to mention on Saturday about MPs... you have to tip the girls for extras and most important: a good mood.
...
[/QUOTE]

I never tip up front. I don't even like to pay up front - although in most MP's and SC's there is really no choice.

I always find that telling them I will tip for good service (without specifying the amount) usually works the best. Once she has the money, you wont get it back either way. But if she has to work for the tip, there is at least SOME chance of changing her attitude/service during the session.

Afterwards there can be disappointment if I only tip her 50-100 pesos. But at least the disappointment is HERS and not mine.

Sean Juan-

You will not be disappointed at Misses. It is a first-class operation and the two guys that run it are very hospitable. My CC was rejected there for preventative fraud measures (inform your CC that you will be using your card in MX before leaving the states) and the girl and owners were very cool about it. The rooms are equivalent to a finely-furnished home and most of the girls are available for 2500 pesos for two hours/multiple pops and the top girls demand 2100 pesos per hour with multiple pops.

I try to do same way.

I don't like to pay up-front either, but in some cases there are no alternatives. So it is take it or leave it situation, and how can you leave when you need release ?

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]I never tip up front. I don't even like to pay up front - although in most MP's and SC's there is really no choice.

I always find that telling them I will tip for good service (without specifying the amount) usually works the best. Once she has the money, you wont get it back either way. But if she has to work for the tip, there is at least SOME chance of changing her attitude/service during the session.

Afterwards there can be disappointment if I only tip her 50-100 pesos. But at least the disappointment is HERS and not mine.[/QUOTE]

Well guys, my first day in town was definitely a winner. I tried to find Signore, but my taxi driver didn't know it nor did anyone I asked on the street. It's my own fault for not writing the address down before I left, but I guess I expected the taxi drivers to know the city better.

Anyway, I found my way to Infinito. It is WAY too dark in there and WAY too loud to engage in a conversation. Plus what is the deal with only one girl on stage and no sign of any other ladies? I definitely wasn't expecting that. I basically had to flag down my very attentive waiter and tell him to bring me a girl. He asked what kind of girl I liked and promptly returned with a VERY accurate representation of what I had requested.

Very nice girl with great personality and extremely attractive ended up going on salida with me. Overall I'd rate the experience 8 out of 10 mainly because she wasn't into any DFK which is critical to a true GFE.

Now that I know, I will try Signore's tomorrow after work and see how that goes, I will definitely go to Misses on Thursday prior to departing.

Thanks again for all of the help you guys have provided.

Happy Mongering,

Sean

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hi Sugardaddy,

Well, I've been in Germany and Switzerland, and it's been a little time over the holidays away from the boards. I've been quite active, visiting Monterrey a lot, but just not posting it here.

Concerning your comment about my being absent, I am much more careful these days after having endured the BS writings of a certain individual that literally enjoys taunting me, posting totally bogus reports about a girl I am extremely close to, desiring to injure me with lies about her posted on the board. So, I've chosen to be comparatively silent. I found that by exposing my exploits here, due to the malice of a certain individual, it only serves to sabotage my own fun.

I have been accused of writing BS, and of bragging about my exploits by this certain individual. I have no interest in tooting my own horn, and in order to demonstrate that my contributions were merely to illustrate for those who are interested, the means to achieving my kind of experience, and to demonstrate that the option to live my kind of GFE does indeed exist in Monterrey, I provided significant detail. But, to demonstrate that I can easily abstain, and to show that I have no interest in my own agenda, in patting myself on the back, or in perpetuating the dillussions I am accused of having, I've been absent from the board.

My absence has been two fold. I always contributed solely to illustrate my exploits for those that may benefit from the details, and hopefully my silence will demonstrate that I have no agenda to congratulate myself in a public forum. But, additionally, I have come to realize that the details of my exploits only serve to sabotage my own fun, and literally, on at least one occasion, served to endanger my private life, all due to this one individual's personal demons.

I will never again disclose anything of substantive specific value where it can be used against me. You might also notice that others of us that are regular visitors to Monterrey, and formerly prolific commentators here, have reached the same conclusions. We are commenting significantly less here lately,and certainly with less detail. It's a shame, but we have one individual to thank for this result developing.

I always check the board almost on a daily basis, and respond to private messages sent to me. But, I am not commenting on this board. The only thing of value in the last three months has been Carlos' fantastic map. But, more importantly, the board really discourages me daily, when I find literally nothing written, sometimes weeks upon weeks with no commentary, not even my kind of meaningless drivel to pass the time. We are definitely the poorer for this circumstance to have developed.

Carlos, and his contributions, are legendary. But, you will also always notice that his contributions are never specific with regard to his personal exploits. He is wise, knowledgeable, and careful. I have decided to also be less visible. I have a stalker, it seems.

But, for your reading enjoyment (hopefully), I will post a trip report now, one that was based on a former trip to Monterrey several weeks ago, but one I chose not to publish because I was disappointed with the circumstances on this board. I will post a trip report in the USB Section, and even the trip report from my time in Germany, but more as a comparative analysis between Monterrey and Germany, even though I realize that it's probably also more applicable to the Germany section. That's why I will post it in the USB section to avoid any criticism.

Thanks for the kind words Sugardaddy...[/QUOTE]

So you checked the FKK Clubs scene in Germany UB?

I am happy your day was a winner.
Assuming for "salida" you mean you took girl out to a motel, can you tell us how much did you pay and what was included in teh service ?
Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sean Juan]
...
Very nice girl with great personality and extremely attractive ended up going on salida with me.
...
[/QUOTE]

Sean, I was at the Infinito from 5:30 to 6:00 PM.!!!!
And I gather you were there earlier cause at 6 pm they opened the second stage and they began to place 2 girls per stage.

Sometimes it happens Sean... to early in the afternoon, a slow Tuesday, not enough girls present, not enough customers... many factors involved here.
Sean... Signore is less than 100 yards away from the Infinito.... literally around the corner of the Infinito.

You missed it by "that much"!!!

Way dark and way loud???
This is THE Infinito... it's a trademark. Helps the girls do there job.
At the Infinito, the girls don't sit and talk with the customers long. They move private dances to get their money.

By DFK, do you mean Deep French Kissing?... that would be hard finding one among them. From my own experience in my years of going to the Infinito (7 years) it is close to zip the number of girls that kiss on the first date.

And Iam going on for a wild guess... you took Brenda out?

Sean, MP's: Using Infinito as your reference, you have Milenium and Playboy at one block to the South. Sensaciones at the first corner to the South, right hand side, half a block to the West.
Signore is to the North, right on the corner, walk down East, turn left on the corner and walk North.. left hand you'll see the purple door with the big sign.

Misses: intresting option but remember they charge 1500 - 2000 pesos all inclusive one deal price.

Check my map. For fab girls, also consider Versace, Horoscope, Romanos and Marcella.





[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Well guys, my first day in town was definitely a winner. I tried to find Signore, but my taxi driver didn't know it nor did anyone I asked on the street. It's my own fault for not writing the address down before I left, but I guess I expected the taxi drivers to know the city better.

Anyway, I found my way to Infinito. It is WAY too dark in there and WAY too loud to engage in a conversation. Plus what is the deal with only one girl on stage and no sign of any other ladies? I definitely wasn't expecting that. I basically had to flag down my very attentive waiter and tell him to bring me a girl. He asked what kind of girl I liked and promptly returned with a VERY accurate representation of what I had requested.

Very nice girl with great personality and extremely attractive ended up going on salida with me. Overall I'd rate the experience 8 out of 10 mainly because she wasn't into any DFK which is critical to a true GFE.

Now that I know, I will try Signore's tomorrow after work and see how that goes, I will definitely go to Misses on Thursday prior to departing.

Thanks again for all of the help you guys have provided.

Happy Mongering,

Sean[/QUOTE]

I have not seen my X-girl since her 19th birthday back in August. I arranged to take Sweet P and her girlfriend out Friday night when I return at 9 pm. The minute I walked in, the manager tells me that X-girl is here. Well, what are you waiting for, go get her. She was dancing on stage so he stops her and bring her to the stage steps and waves at me. OK, I see her. Make sure she does not go anywhere after the dace. Yes, she was hand delivered to me … naked.

I stared at her face for a minute or two. Man, I missed her so damm much. Those of you who know her will conquer that she is the hottest girl in Monterrey and she was mine, all mine. I lost her when she got married to her lesbian girlfriend in June last year. The rules were that she is not allowed to see me. Just me and no one else. I was part of their wedding deal.

No one could handle her and no one could survive a minute with her. She is a little devil.

Sweet P finds me and tells me to wear a white shirt next time. She could not see me and has been looking all over for me. When she sees X-girl with me, she runs and sets on my lap between me and X-girl. Ha ha, she could not be more obvious.

Bell rang 9 pm. It was time for sweet P and her girlfriend to go get dressed. We’re going out. But sweet P did not know what I was going to do now that X-girl is here. She asked me a million times if she should go get ready and I kept answering, yes, move it. X-girl is now supposed to go into the lineup. The waiters are surrounding me waiting for my confirmation. Which girl am I taking out? They all know that when X-girl is with me, no other girl has a chance. Sweet P started walking away one foot forward one foot back as if she is expecting me to tell her to forget about it. She is still looking at me with a question mark on her face. Wasted, what do you want me to do?

Suddenly, I look around and the entire club is looking in my direction. Sh8t. What is this? I had no intentions of taking X-girl out. Her wife is in the club too watching me. X-girl will get the living daylight beaten out of her if she does anything with me and I did not want to cause her any trouble.

OK, so now Sweet P is upstairs, X-girl does not want to go into the lineup and the manager and a couple of waiters are waiting for my decision.

X-girl pulls me into the privados and asks for 4 dances. Hell no. I can’t. If I start with her, I need to get my fill and make up for all these months of sin X. She did not let me down. She gave me a good taste of what I once had all for myself for an entire year. Customers waited in line to talk to her during the good old days and some get so desperate that they come ask my permission to see her for 1 song. Fuk off assholes.

But X-girl is now turning into a little woman. She had make up on. Probably to hide the black eye or eyes she got the week before from the girls in the other club. I hate makeup.

When I asked her what she was doing an Infinito. She left this club over 9 months ago. She said that she knew I was in town and wanted to see me. She dragged her wife and is working at Infinito for one night.... just to see me. I’ll believe her only because it sounds sweet. But you can never trust a hooker.

When I came back down, the same crowd of waiters and the manager were surrounding my table. Other customers are watching. I do not want to take X-girl. I can’t. She is forbidden from seeing me as per instructions from her wife. Her wife is not allowed to talk to me as per her instructions. Yes, when either one is alone with me, she plays with me while telling me she could get in deep trouble if the other finds out.

Sweet P came down looking as lovely as ever. Dressed to kill and her girlfriend in toe. Off into the Monterrey nightlife and I completely erased X-girl from thoughts the second I stepped out of Infinito.

Some day I will get them both in my bed. I’ll make them both my b8chts.

Wasted

DO NOT THANK ME AT ALL...

Please tell the readers of this Thread the Dangerous girl X really is....

... tell them the FULL COMPLETE STORY... tell them what she did to me.

Wasted's X girl is a total dangerous girl and he refuses to understand it... and I already suffered some of her madness.




[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I have not seen my X-girl since her 19th birthday back in August. I arranged to take Sweet P and her girlfriend out Friday night when I return at 9 pm. The minute I walked in, the manager tells me that X-girl is here. Well, what are you waiting for, go get her. She was dancing on stage so he stops her and bring her to the stage steps and waves at me. OK, I see her. Make sure she does not go anywhere after the dace. Yes, she was hand delivered to me … naked.

I stared at her face for a minute or two. Man, I missed her so damm much. Those of you who know her will conquer that she is the hottest girl in Monterrey and she was mine, all mine. I lost her when she got married to her lesbian girlfriend in June last year. The rules were that she is not allowed to see me. Just me and no one else. I was part of their wedding deal.

No one could handle her and no one could survive a minute with her. She is a little devil.

Sweet P finds me and tells me to wear a white shirt next time. She could not see me and has been looking all over for me. When she sees X-girl with me, she runs and sets on my lap between me and X-girl. Ha ha, she could not be more obvious.

Bell rang 9 pm. It was time for sweet P and her girlfriend to go get dressed. We’re going out. But sweet P did not know what I was going to do now that X-girl is here. She asked me a million times if she should go get ready and I kept answering, yes, move it. X-girl is now supposed to go into the lineup. The waiters are surrounding me waiting for my confirmation. Which girl am I taking out? They all know that when X-girl is with me, no other girl has a chance. Sweet P started walking away one foot forward one foot back as if she is expecting me to tell her to forget about it. She is still looking at me with a question mark on her face. Wasted, what do you want me to do?

Suddenly, I look around and the entire club is looking in my direction. Sh8t. What is this? I had no intentions of taking X-girl out. Her wife is in the club too watching me. X-girl will get the living daylight beaten out of her if she does anything with me and I did not want to cause her any trouble.

OK, so now Sweet P is upstairs, X-girl does not want to go into the lineup and the manager and a couple of waiters are waiting for my decision.

X-girl pulls me into the privados and asks for 4 dances. Hell no. I can’t. If I start with her, I need to get my fill and make up for all these months of sin X. She did not let me down. She gave me a good taste of what I once had all for myself for an entire year. Customers waited in line to talk to her during the good old days and some get so desperate that they come ask my permission to see her for 1 song. Fuk off assholes.

But X-girl is now turning into a little woman. She had make up on. Probably to hide the black eye or eyes she got the week before from the girls in the other club. I hate makeup.

When I asked her what she was doing an Infinito. She left this club over 9 months ago. She said that she knew I was in town and wanted to see me. She dragged her wife and is working at Infinito for one night.... just to see me. Thanks Carlos for telling her. I’ll believe her only because it sounds sweet. But you can never trust a hooker.

When I came back down, the same crowd of waiters and the manager were surrounding my table. Other customers are watching. I do not want to take X-girl. I can’t. She is forbidden from seeing me as per instructions from her wife. Her wife is not allowed to talk to me as per her instructions. Yes, when either one is alone with me, she plays with me while telling me she could get in deep trouble if the other finds out.

Sweet P came down looking as lovely as ever. Dressed to kill and her girlfriend in toe. Off into the Monterrey nightlife and I completely erased X-girl from thoughts the second I stepped out of Infinito.

Some day I will get them both in my bed. I’ll make them both my b8chts.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

And she is. She is the devil not even in disguise. Absolutely a no no for anyone.

Avoid her at all cost.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Amigomio]DO NOT THANK ME AT ALL...

Please tell the readers of this Thread the Dangerous girl X really is....

... tell them the FULL COMPLETE STORY... tell them what she did to me.

Wasted's X girl is a total dangerous girl and he refuses to understand it... and I already suffered some of her madness.[/QUOTE]

Hi Strike,

Yes, I visited Germany, and the FKKs around Stuttgart. Check further down in the USB section, there is a comparison between the German FKK scene and Monterrey. I posted it over in the USB section. It's further down, several posts ago. I compare my experiences between the two, and IMHO, Monterrey has the FKKs beat.

But, frankly, my preferences for a different kind of experience than most are central to my opinions. And, in order for me to say that about Monterrey, one has to also conclude that Monterrey requires significantly more work than walking into an FKK in Germany. But, I've also come to the conclusion that what I get in Monterrey is really not mongering in the strictest sense...It is hybrid mongering at it's very best, a different experience than what many on the boards are open to understanding. World travelers familiar with all the venues understand the distinction.

But, in Monterrey, what is typically experienced in Thailand, the PI, Colombia, Indonesia, etc...requires significantly more work to achieve. The girls in the notorious worldwide venues are cut from a different cloth than the girls of Monterrey, making hybrid GFE much more available in the notorious venues with virtually NO WORK, comparatively. It is undoubtedly a cultural, socio-economic, and possibly even a psychological difference, and a difference that must be dealt with on a different level when attempting to achieve the same kind of thing in Monterrey.

But, the same if not superior results, the hybrid GFE, are available in Monterrey, if one works at it, and if one has the time and money to frequently visit Monterrey to work various scenarios.

[QUOTE=Strike 69]So you checked the FKK Clubs scene in Germany UB?[/QUOTE]

Still gathering info and am curious about Medusas. Is this a mid-tier mp or one of the pricier ones? The girls on the website are smokin hot if that's really what's available.

Amigo mio:

I guess I could ask you this in a PM,but just like general information is there any of the SC like Infinito, Matehuala or Harem open in Sundays? and if there are open which is the best time to hit them?

You can PM if you want but like I say it may help sombody else.

I got a day free at work this sunday and monday morning and I was thinking in going there.

SD

Ssmc2... in theory they look great and I suppose they must be mid tier.

I haven't been there to check them out though

But Ss, I mean, as a potential customer, you can just walk away if they are not up to par as their website promises....



[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Still gathering info and am curious about Medusas. Is this a mid-tier mp or one of the pricier ones? The girls on the website are smokin hot if that's really what's available.[/QUOTE]

Sugardaddy...
Villagran St. area clubs like Matehuala, Infinito, Givenchy, El Cielo, and Tangalay plus Harem and Pasarelas at Madero Poniente area, are open on Sunday.
Monday morning... not.
Just the Prestige and the Obsession for lunch buffet after 1 pm.


[QUOTE=Sugardaddy 1718]Amigo mio:

I guess I could ask you this in a PM,but just like general information is there any of the SC like Infinito, Matehuala or Harem open in Sundays? and if there are open which is the best time to hit them?

You can PM if you want but like I say it may help sombody else.

I got a day free at work this sunday and monday morning and I was thinking in going there.

SD[/QUOTE]

Amigomio,

I must have just missed you. When I was in the club, I was the only gringo there. All the seats were taken around the main stage, so I sat on the fringe (which is what I always do anyway). I felt sorry for the girls because noone was tipping them sh8t other than me. It was indeed Brenda that I took on salida, and we wrapped up our time together right at about 5:45 or so. So if you were there then, you probably saw her returning to the club. She was a sweetheart and effortless to talk with. Very enjoyable.

By DFK I did mean "Deep French Kissing", and it is not so much that I expected that, and only for my individual rating scale is the reason I gave an 8 out of 10. Everything else was great. I realize that DFK is hard to achieve on a first date, and not having any former experiences in MX for comparison, I simply didn't know. I certainly never got DFK in the US on first date either, but in Costa Rica it was never an issue.

In response to the person who inquired about pricing and service (sorry I can't remember who asked before I started this thread) read on.

As for pricing and services provided, I'm glad you asked that question. When I first approached my waiter about a salida and inquired on the pricing, he told me it was 2000 pesos with a 500 peso bar fine. I laughed at him and told him he was ridiculous, and that maybe it was best if I just leave. He asked me why, and I told him that he was trying to rob me. I quoted the "known" price to him, and he started back peddling saying that the "known" price was just the starting point and that some girls charged more. Anyway, in the end, my fee was 1000 pesos for 90 minutes + the 350 peso bar fine.

As for the services provided, we started the session by showering together which was really nice. I truly enjoy that aspect, and it at least assures me that my companion will be fresh. Afterward, we proceeded to the bed, shared some light kissing and body exploration with our hands. I performed DATY on her, and I have to say that Brenda has a FANTASTIC pu$$y. She was still extremely tight which was a very pleasant surprise. Absolutely infectious. She was totally into it, but I had to work really hard on her for her to achieve an O. I am well reputed in my circle to have excellent oral skills, so it must have just been her being nervous or simply her biological limitations. Whatever the case, I feasted for at least 20 minutes before she popped. Subsequent to that, it was my turn for a very sensual yet non-professional type of BBBJ. I made her work too, and she pleasured me for somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes before I had her stop. Proceeded directly into CFS cowgirl position and never left it. We fukked slow at first, then faster, alternating tempos and on to deep hardcore thrusting. It was so delightful that I didn't even want to change positions. I popped after 15 minutes or so and stayed inside of her for another 5 before I started fading. I was literally exhausted. I could have easily slept right after that. I had only consumed about an hour of my purchased time and another shot on goal was probably on the menu, but I didn't even ask because the remaining time would have been insufficient. Instead we lay in bed talking, laughing, joking just as if we were longtime lovers. We wrapped it up, got dressed, and made our way back to Infinito where I dropped her off. She gave me a nice kiss goodbye, as well as her cell number so that I could call her directly next time I want to see her. (I'm assuming it is her real number although I haven't actually tried it).

That is it in a nutshell (no pun intended) for yesterday's experience. I just returned from work and am getting ready to head out for a MP experience (if I can find a worthy contender). Unfortunately, I will be unable to go prowling tomorrow, so I will have to skip on Misses. But I will be back in a few weeks and will probably have more time available to do some real exploration of the plentitude of MTY services.

Happy & safe mongering,

Sean

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SS... got the info on Medusass.
A member of my Yahoo group went and checked the place out.
Says the place looks like the one on the web, nice instalations.
He said nothing of the girls, if they are the ones on the website.
Prices go for 800 pesos for 40 minutes or 1000 pesos for an hour.
He liked the girls, 2 out of 3, but says that the mayority work for out call services from there.



[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Still gathering info and am curious about Medusas. Is this a mid-tier mp or one of the pricier ones? The girls on the website are smokin hot if that's really what's available.[/QUOTE]

Sean... please.
You made a BIG MISTAKE: "I felt sorry for the girls because noone was tipping"

Don't feel sorry...
Do NOT tip the girls on stage at a Mexican club... NEVER.

Let me give you a lesson on how stripclubs work in Mexico.
First of all NO ONE tips the Infinito girls... you just don't have too.

In the US, the girls get their daily income from tips, cause the SCs sell them the space to dance.... the girls have to pay to dance at a club.

In Mexico, the girls work for a salary based on a quota of one or both of 2 things: private dances and/or drinks.

You know how much an Infinito girl makes just form the privado commisions and her salary? over 1000 pesos.
With extras they go for over 2000-2500 pesos per day.
Don't let the location of the Infinito nor the customers being blue collar, fool you.
Tips are penny ante stuff for them. Infinito girls get loads of money at the privados.
What you give to them, they either buy corn on the cob as a snack or buy a pack of chewing gum.

Tipping the girls for starters will get the rest of the customers against you... don't do it at all...
Just remeber that you are giving the girls money at your expense and you will get nothing from them... at all.





[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Amigomio,

I must have just missed you. When I was in the club, I was the only gringo there. All the seats were taken around the main stage, so I sat on the fringe (which is what I always do anyway). I felt sorry for the girls because noone was tipping them sh8t other than me. It was indeed Brenda that I took on salida, and we wrapped up our time together right at about 5:45 or so. So if you were there then, you probably saw her returning to the club. She was a sweetheart and effortless to talk with. Very enjoyable.

By DFK I did mean "Deep French Kissing", and it is not so much that I expected that, and only for my individual rating scale is the reason I gave an 8 out of 10. Everything else was great. I realize that DFK is hard to achieve on a first date, and not having any former experiences in MX for comparison, I simply didn't know. I certainly never got DFK in the US on first date either, but in Costa Rica it was never an issue.

In response to the person who inquired about pricing and service (sorry I can't remember who asked before I started this thread) read on.

As for pricing and services provided, I'm glad you asked that question. When I first approached my waiter about a salida and inquired on the pricing, he told me it was 2000 pesos with a 500 peso bar fine. I laughed at him and told him he was ridiculous, and that maybe it was best if I just leave. He asked me why, and I told him that he was trying to rob me. I quoted the "known" price to him, and he started back peddling saying that the "known" price was just the starting point and that some girls charged more. Anyway, in the end, my fee was 1000 pesos for 90 minutes + the 350 peso bar fine.

As for the services provided, we started the session by showering together which was really nice. I truly enjoy that aspect, and it at least assures me that my companion will be fresh. Afterward, we proceeded to the bed, shared some light kissing and body exploration with our hands. I performed DATY on her, and I have to say that Brenda has a FANTASTIC pu$$y. She was still extremely tight which was a very pleasant surprise. Absolutely infectious. She was totally into it, but I had to work really hard on her for her to achieve an O. I am well reputed in my circle to have excellent oral skills, so it must have just been her being nervous or simply her biological limitations. Whatever the case, I feasted for at least 20 minutes before she popped. Subsequent to that, it was my turn for a very sensual yet non-professional type of BBBJ. I made her work too, and she pleasured me for somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes before I had her stop. Proceeded directly into CFS cowgirl position and never left it. We fukked slow at first, then faster, alternating tempos and on to deep hardcore thrusting. It was so delightful that I didn't even want to change positions. I popped after 15 minutes or so and stayed inside of her for another 5 before I started fading. I was literally exhausted. I could have easily slept right after that. I had only consumed about an hour of my purchased time and another shot on goal was probably on the menu, but I didn't even ask because the remaining time would have been insufficient. Instead we lay in bed talking, laughing, joking just as if we were longtime lovers. We wrapped it up, got dressed, and made our way back to Infinito where I dropped her off. She gave me a nice kiss goodbye, as well as her cell number so that I could call her directly next time I want to see her. (I'm assuming it is her real number although I haven't actually tried it).

That is it in a nutshell (no pun intended) for yesterday's experience. I just returned from work and am getting ready to head out for a MP experience (if I can find a worthy contender). Unfortunately, I will be unable to go prowling tomorrow, so I will have to skip on Misses. But I will be back in a few weeks and will probably have more time available to do some real exploration of the plentitude of MTY services.

Happy & safe mongering,

Sean

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Amigomio,

Thanks for the info on Medusas. I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl?

I guess the outcall services from Medusas you mentioned is a salida type situation??

" Don't feel sorry...
Do NOT tip the girls on stage at a Mexican club... NEVER "

The worst part is not the money you gave up while tipping, but the bad feelings you can easily stir-up with the local Mexican guys at the clubs.
Laying a couple of bills on the runway while some local dudes are trying to play their favorite game of "grab ass" could be dangerous to your health . . .

Not all MP's offer Out-Call with there girls... as a matter of fact, the mayority just don't do it.

There are those Mps that do offer it, like Medusass, Misses, and several others.
Remember, they are not salidas.. it's part of their business.
What I mean is that I believe you must call ahead, I don't think you can just go and check the girls and take one out.

Price structure... I just don't know.
Escorts is a field I have never explored.
But you can find prices ranging from 500 pesos (plus tips) going up into the 2000 even 3000 price range.


[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Amigomio,

Thanks for the info on Medusas. I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl?

I guess the outcall services from Medusas you mentioned is a salida type situation??[/QUOTE]

Last night I was invited out by some business partners.

We went to Extasis first. Dead. Only three people in: just a couple of girls and a customer.
It was around 10:00, maybe it was too early for that place.

So we moved to Le Zuzu (or similar name). It was almost full. Lots of girls and customers.
We sat at the stage and ordered some beers (cost should be 30 pesos each).
Almost immediately I went to the restrooms and a couple of girls followed me, and pinched/caressed my back while I was pis…g : what an interesting prelude !
Place is much smaller than Infinito (only other place I know). Girls are more or less same level than Infinito, as far as I remember. However, here I saw at least three quite above average, for my taste.

At this club, girls sat on your legs and you can touch them.
As Amigomio explained in Mexico you don’t tip the girl dancing in front of you. I would say here it is better than USA as you don’t spend on tips and you can touch/caress.
In case you order a drink for the girl, cost is 120 Pesos.

Then, if you like, you can move to the privado where you can fondle them and kiss them for 9 minutes (no sex here): cost 100 Pesos. This is an absurd, cheaper than girl’s drink.
In case you like them, you can take them out. I have been quoted by two girls 700 Pesos for the club and 1500 for her (as I was too tired to be really interested, I didn’t ask for how long/how many shots).
Apparently there is no other way. I asked to the girl to join me at my hotel when club closes but the girl said they are escorted home, so they are not free to go where they like and to meet customers.

However, they gave me their mobile numbers, in order to call and meet them when they are free. Maybe on a next occasion I will call them, negotiating price first as I am sure 1500 Pesos can be reduced.

Sorry, I remembered incorrectly name of MC reported in previous post.
Its real name is El Zucu Zucu.


P.S. Jackson please, allow editing longer than those mere 1440 minutes !

Should have done it myself... the correct name is El Zuku Zuku, owned by the same set of brothers that own TVO, Lancelot and Eclipse.

Clubs can be found in my Google Map in the Reports of Distinction thread.


[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Sorry, I remembered incorrectly name of MC reported in previous post.
Its real name is El Zucu Zucu.


P.S. Jackson please, allow editing longer than those mere 1440 minutes ![/QUOTE]

EXCELLENT on topic post.

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Sean,

Yes, virtually all the girls at a MP know the score and often will tell you upfront exactly what you'll receive. Some would be shocked to actually give you a real massage . . .

The "normal" basic offering is CBJ followed by 1 to 3 positions. One shot on goal and 30 minutes total. Everything else can be arranged at a cost. Some chicas will do anal. Many will not. Some BBBJ, some CIM. Others no - regardless of extra money. Most places are very fair, but some will try to upsell for everything from taking off her clothes to even taking off her top.

My best advice is to visit Signore first. IMO this is the best low-end MP in Monterrey and has been in business for over 10? years. Check out the afternoon special - usually around 100-150 pesos. I have never been up-sold on the basics here and they usually have several attractive ladies. Also large rooms with king-size beds. It is much more comfortable than some of the other places. You can usually find bbbj and anal here, for 200-300 pesos more. Check out their web-site. The services are listed (but not prices) along with a picture gallery of the working girls. Also 3- somes are possible (at least at Signore), depending upon the chicas working that day- but don't expect an afternoon 3-some to be 2 x 100 pesos. Probably would start around 500. Also realize that more girls will do a 3-some if they are NOT required to have sex with the other chica. They will take turns blowing or fucking you and will usually require a change of condoms each time. IMO, this is a fun fantasy every now and then, but usually over-rated. I would prefer to concentrate on a single woman. There will never be any kind of a GFE with 2 chicas.

Another interesting thing is just to make the rounds and visit 4-5 MP's to see who is available. Tire kicking. Near the SCs there are at least 8-10 within easy walking distance. Hopefully, you can speak some Spanish. But if not, it is still worth your while. Just smile, be cool and not intimidated by the situation.

Good Luck, -P[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Prokofiev]

Everybody likes something different. Some guys like a flock of SC chicas around them saying "Ooooh Papi!!" and drinking 100 peso drinks to stroke their ego. That only makes me feel like a chump. It is totally artificial. You know it. The girls know it. Every guy in the club knows it. You usually end up dropping major coin on BS. But if that's your thing, cool. Go for it. It's only money.
[/QUOTE]


HAHA, you just PERFECTLY described everything that's WRONG with the mongering scene in MTY. The local married guys blow a TON of money getting their egos stroked by hookers that don't HAVE TO FUCK when they can clean up by milking overpriced drinks.

USB, if that's "social skills" then give me a socially retarded fuck machine!

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Prokofiev

Yes, this is very important: girls might tell you 30 minutes outside, but once inside, they'll run it down to 20 minutes.
The girl once inside will go out for the towels and burn 5 minutes out of the 30... down to 25, it's easy for the girls outside to cut it down to 20 minutes when they star yelling "tiempo".[/QUOTE]

This is a huge problem in lower end MP's (I don't go the higher end places). And, of course, there's not a goddamned thing you can do about it, except avoid those fucking places. Signore doesn't USUALLY pull that crap, and Milenio2000 didn't used to either.

[QUOTE=Porker]This is a huge problem in lower end MP's (I don't go the higher end places). And, of course, there's not a goddamned thing you can do about it, except avoid those fucking places. Signore doesn't USUALLY pull that crap, and Milenio2000 didn't used to either.[/QUOTE]


Maybe, I'm just a fast worker, but in my entire life I can only remember being called for time once!! And I usually waste the first 5-10 minutes talking with the chica and rubbing her down. I always try to "force" her to interact with me . . . to "keep it real" in some manner. It all depends on your personal style and what you are looking for. I can usually turn a poor attitude around, but some girls are just losers no matter what you do. I always try to choose a chica based on personality, as opposed to looks. Of course, it is still a crap shoot since you usually have only 10-15 seconds to meet each one, ask her name and try to get a hint about her attitude . . .

In the low-end MP's an extra 30 minutes is only going to cost you 100-300 pesos more, so time really should not be a major issue. I always choose the shortest time available, unless there is value pricing such as 200p for 30 minutes and 300p for an hour. In Monterrey, that seems never to be the case. If you really like the girl, you can always pay for more time or just return for another session with her. Always try to keep your up-front investment low.

" . . . I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl? "

It is rare for most MP's to allow a salida. Of course everything is negociable, but the house will never let her leave without getting a fat cut of the money. A better strategy is to try the girl in the MP and if you are still interested, ask her for her cell phone number and when she gets off. If she trusts you and you make clear the amount you will pay she will often give you her number. This sometime happens even if you don't ask. But she risks losing her job if the MP owners find out she is working off-site with customers. Despite having received a ton of numbers this way, I have never followed up and tried to get them to my hotel.

-P

All of this is said tongue 'n cheek to my good friend Porker, but...it must be said none the less. I am, frankly, delighted to see you posting. :-)))

Granted, if it's strictly the "ACT" desired, then certainly there are options available in the MPs. But, we "ALL" know a certain someone who frequently returns to the PI for something "MORE," and I am not just speaking in generalities about GFE, but with respect to a decided decision to return to a specific certain someone whose "personality and charm" lures him back. So, while you say that you want a "fuck machine," you orchestrate frequent and lengthly returns to experience "something more."

Speaking of which, the cost for returning for something "MORE" is certainly much more expensive than staying in Monterrey and visiting Signore. So, while your strategic preferences are articulated in the one sense here on the board, your behavior, your desire for GFE, or at least for something beyond just the "fuck machine" experience...dare I say, even your most recent desire for the hybrid GFE, says something quite different about your motivations.

Not a one of us would kick the MP girls out of bed, not even the medium level ones. We are, afterall, sex mongers, verdad? But, some of us "choose" to ultimately spend our money for the prospect of a different kind of experience as part of the sex, and for something that is most definitely different than what is typically experienced in the MPs. What is enjoyed in the clubs, really isn't mongering per se. It is socializing, and nothing more, a preface to mongering.

Time spent in the clubs is no different than socializing under other circumstances, but the difference in that context is that it can lead to outstanding GFE outside the clubs, to a potential with girls that are "entertaining," beyond just the sex act. So, I suppose one could conclude that socializing in general has no particular value, but when used properly, it can set you up for exceptional sessions that are not otherwise generally attainable under MP circumstances.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule with respect to girls with "personality" and "charm," and on rare occasion, they are found in the MPs, but not usually, with perhaps the exception of Misses or Romanos, where they are charging out the ass with respect to time spent in comparison. I would expect to get something more than what is offered at Signore when visiting Romanos or Misses. I would expect to have my socks charmed off for 2000 pesos for one hour's time.

Well, one thing is for sure, your close friend, USB, has one particular preference that he articulates on the boards, and he sticks to it, consistently faithful to his articulated preferences, unlike his dear friend, Porker, articulating one kind of preference, wanting only a fuck machine, but venturing off to far away lands, lands known for their exceptional GFE standard, a place where the girls are so frickin' cut and charming, a place where Porker's exact words in the past have been, about the girls, something like, "the difference is...they are fun." (ie:charming).

But, USB does not say one thing, desiring only a "fuck machine," and spend gobs of money to travel to Asia for the other. Your friend, USB, would dearly love to have the time available to travel to the other GFE capitals of the World to enjoy the "charm" of those girls. But, unfortunately, he must confine most of his time spent to close destinations like Monterrey.

But, honestly, were I in your shoes Porker, living in Mexico, I would have every bit the experience I can have in Asia by just staying put. Of this, I am totally and completely convinced at this juncture, after so many years playing the game in Monterrey.

Cost? Less, by a long shot, even when spending pesos in the clubs to find the charmers, and eventually beating them at their own game in getting what some spend in dollars to travel to far away lands, austencibly to get that which is so easily obtainable in the PI for peanuts, charming GFE for next to nothing in cost, which when practiced with precision in Monterrey in the clubs, is sometimes even available in Monterrey for next to nothing in cost should one choose to make the effort, and push one's own psychological manipulations to the fullest extent.

[QUOTE=Porker]HAHA, you just PERFECTLY described everything that's WRONG with the mongering scene in MTY. The local married guys blow a TON of money getting their egos stroked by hookers that don't HAVE TO FUCK when they can clean up by milking overpriced drinks.

USB, if that's "social skills" then give me a socially retarded fuck machine![/QUOTE]

Prokofiev... there are MPs above the low, more into midium and into high class, that double as escort services, like Medusass, Versace, Subasta de Virgenes (this more into low end), Vivid, Misses, Marcella.
Brother businesses Havana and Safari, both low end Mps also serve escorts to hotels.
These 2, you can go and get the girls and take them out... though girl quality is another thing.

You've only concentrated in the area around Villagran St.
Like I told you, you need to check the map I made so you can see all the MPs in the periphery of the downtown area.
Which are by the way, more expensive, cause they consider themsleves above the MP's in the dowtown area.
Piscis for example offers exactly what you are looking for: 200 pesos for 30 minutes.




[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Maybe, I'm just a fast worker, but in my entire life I can only remember being called for time once!! And I usually waste the first 5-10 minutes talking with the chica and rubbing her down. I always try to "force" her to interact with me . . . to "keep it real" in some manner. It all depends on your personal style and what you are looking for. I can usually turn a poor attitude around, but some girls are just losers no matter what you do. I always try to choose a chica based on personality, as opposed to looks. Of course, it is still a crap shoot since you usually have only 10-15 seconds to meet each one, ask her name and try to get a hint about her attitude . . .

In the low-end MP's an extra 30 minutes is only going to cost you 100-300 pesos more, so time really should not be a major issue. I always choose the shortest time available, unless there is value pricing such as 200p for 30 minutes and 300p for an hour. In Monterrey, that seems never to be the case. If you really like the girl, you can always pay for more time or just return for another session with her. Always try to keep your up-front investment low.

" . . . I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl? "

It is rare for most MP's to allow a salida. Of course everything is negociable, but the house will never let her leave without getting a fat cut of the money. A better strategy is to try the girl in the MP and if you are still interested, ask her for her cell phone number and when she gets off. If she trusts you and you make clear the amount you will pay she will often give you her number. This sometime happens even if you don't ask. But she risks losing her job if the MP owners find out she is working off-site with customers. Despite having received a ton of numbers this way, I have never followed up and tried to get them to my hotel.

-P[/QUOTE]

USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]All of this is said tongue 'n cheek to my good friend Porker, but...it must be said none the less. I am, frankly, delighted to see you posting. :-)))

Granted, if it's strictly the "ACT" desired, then certainly there are options available in the MPs. But, we "ALL" know a certain someone who frequently returns to the PI for something "MORE," and I am not just speaking in generalities about GFE, but with respect to a decided decision to return to a specific certain someone whose "personality and charm" lures him back. So, while you say that you want a "fuck machine," you orchestrate frequent and lengthly returns to experience "something more."

Speaking of which, the cost for returning for something "MORE" is certainly much more expensive than staying in Monterrey and visiting Signore. So, while your strategic preferences are articulated in the one sense here on the board, your behavior, your desire for GFE, or at least for something beyond just the "fuck machine" experience...dare I say, even your most recent desire for the hybrid GFE, says something quite different about your motivations.

Not a one of us would kick the MP girls out of bed, not even the medium level ones. We are, afterall, sex mongers, verdad? But, some of us "choose" to ultimately spend our money for the prospect of a different kind of experience as part of the sex, and for something that is most definitely different than what is typically experienced in the MPs. What is enjoyed in the clubs, really isn't mongering per se. It is socializing, and nothing more, a preface to mongering.

Time spent in the clubs is no different than socializing under other circumstances, but the difference in that context is that it can lead to outstanding GFE outside the clubs, to a potential with girls that are "entertaining," beyond just the sex act. So, I suppose one could conclude that socializing in general has no particular value, but when used properly, it can set you up for exceptional sessions that are not otherwise generally attainable under MP circumstances.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule with respect to girls with "personality" and "charm," and on rare occasion, they are found in the MPs, but not usually, with perhaps the exception of Misses or Romanos, where they are charging out the ass with respect to time spent in comparison. I would expect to get something more than what is offered at Signore when visiting Romanos or Misses. I would expect to have my socks charmed off for 2000 pesos for one hour's time.

Well, one thing is for sure, your close friend, USB, has one particular preference that he articulates on the boards, and he sticks to it, consistently faithful to his articulated preferences, unlike his dear friend, Porker, articulating one kind of preference, wanting only a fuck machine, but venturing off to far away lands, lands known for their exceptional GFE standard, a place where the girls are so frickin' cut and charming, a place where Porker's exact words in the past have been, about the girls, something like, "the difference is...they are fun." (ie:charming).

But, USB does not say one thing, desiring only a "fuck machine," and spend gobs of money to travel to Asia for the other. Your friend, USB, would dearly love to have the time available to travel to the other GFE capitals of the World to enjoy the "charm" of those girls. But, unfortunately, he must confine most of his time spent to close destinations like Monterrey.

But, honestly, were I in your shoes Porker, living in Mexico, I would have every bit the experience I can have in Asia by just staying put. Of this, I am totally and completely convinced at this juncture, after so many years playing the game in Monterrey.

Cost? Less, by a long shot, even when spending pesos in the clubs to find the charmers, and eventually beating them at their own game in getting what some spend in dollars to travel to far away lands, austencibly to get that which is so easily obtainable in the PI for peanuts, charming GFE for next to nothing in cost, which when practiced with precision in Monterrey in the clubs, is sometimes even available in Monterrey for next to nothing in cost should one choose to make the effort, and push one's own psychological manipulations to the fullest extent.[/QUOTE]

Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.[/QUOTE]

No... part of the my problem with MPs in part was that my measuring rod was Porker.
I always thought MPs were not good cause he always complained about them.

I even got in trouble and discussions with other mongers that liked the Monterrey MP's cause I valued more Porker's word and experience over others.
A reality that will not change no matter how much he despises them.

He will never go for stuff that you USB, Wasted, RTW, Prokofiev and others have comprehended:
1. Understand
2. Adapt
3. Take advantage.

Now that I've been checking out this venue, I find out that Poker somewhere along the line lost his grasp with the reality of how clubs and MPs, both, work.

On the other hand, his forté, his REAL forté is SEA, no question about it.

It has nothing to do with softening or whatever, Porker has not changed the least and I have had my quota of quarreling with him at other forums.

It just happens that he has not softened he has hardened even more his perspective of Monterrey towards the hard line monger that wants his hand kissed for 150 pesos, nothing else in exchange.

Now that Iam checking out MPs, I tend to agree with folk like Prokofiev and others, about finding the best service for the best peso deal and truely finding it.

Now I truely agree with the advantages offered by established MPs like Signore, Millenio, Faraonas and several others.
Being that I have checked far beyond the Zaragoza st line into the expensive ones like Romanos, and Marcella, I have to point out both ways.
Signore and Millenio are really good MPs.... Versace, Horoscope, Romanos hold their own in their particular expensive way.

Of course I have had my running into cheap and ugly MP's like Shakira and Diamante, but I have found great deals with great girls like at Abril and Subasta de Virgenes (Virgin Auctions).

Nope... I still stick with my new found knowldage that I hope will help the mongers that favor MPs.






[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.[/QUOTE]


Regio, DUDE, BELIEVE ME, I GET! I know the rules of the game and will categorically state the rules of the game in Mexico are NOT FOR ME. I repeat, in case there's any doubt, NOT FOR ME.

If there are OTHERS in the world that wanna average spending 100 bucks a day and get a kiss on the cheek as they pay their bill OR spend 500 bucks a day to get 2 hours of sex in their hotel and think they are getting some sort of value for their money, well, GOOD for THEM!

I save my meager funds for what I consider much better value, and will stack my deals up against anywhere in the world.

Mon Ami, sorry you doubt my experiences in the MP's. I have had the gamut there, from fanTASTIC GFE (you say DFK is rare in the bars? I used to get it more than occasionally for 120-200 pesos -- total, ur right I DONT TIP THERE-- in the MPs!) to the worst fucking rushed ripoff experiences I could ever even imagine. And unlike Prok, I HAVE extensive experience with meeting the massage girls off premise for 2+ hours of outcall fun, and had SOME GFE experiences with them that USB would drool over!

But the USUAL experience in the low-end MP's is that the minute the girl starts to attempt any sort of service, she immediately reverts to an upsell. Can that be headed off at the pass before it happens? Maybe, I don't know, not really my style. Mein Freund might be right about THAT. I freely admit that I don't respond well to the more overtly moneygrubbing trash. If one gets their rocks off thinking they're getting a bargain for bribing their ***** into doing a 20% better job with you, then good for THEM! ME, I expect MORE!

Will give a short version of my last experience at Signore a couple months back, Signore, a place that I have ALWAYS liked and recommended to others:

Showed up at about 6:30 and found a girl I didn't recognize that had an obviously BIG rack (my favorite). Booked her, went to the room, undressed, rinsed, waited.

She was friendly, asked if I wanted "extras", I asked "like what?", she explained that tit sucking was EXTRA, BBBJ EXTRA, same old, same old, but I ATTEMPTED to roll with the punches and said I'd pay 100 tip for BBBJ.

All was good for 15-20 minutes, but I was having trouble finishing.

She went above and beyond and tried to finish me off, no arguments from me about that.

About a full minute after I had given up, she told me "I'm still horny", and asked if she could get on top again. I thought this was pretty cool, so I said "Sure, why not?". And she climbed back on and (according to her) rode me for a minute or two and finished, about the same time as there was a knock on the door announcing time was up. Still no nut for ME, however...

I paid her her extra 100 that we agreed upon. As I was showering, she RETURNED to the room and said she thought she deserved MORE tip. I told her I agreed, actually (for ONCE in my life!) and gave her another 50 pesos (making the tip 150 total, same as the 150 standard fee I paid for the supposed 1/2 hour session).

But she went OFF on me, telling me I had WAAAAY more than the standard 2 positions, and that it was 50 pesos more PER POSITION! I asked her why she was saying that, as there had never before been any sort of limits on positions at Signore, and that if she expected more money for more positions, it was customary to point that out beFOREhand than afterward.

I did what all good mongers should at that point: I got in her face and told her "I paid for what I got and what you asked for" and took it up with the idiot "manager" outside -- you know, the guy whose job it is to explain to you why you can't get your money back after you got ripped off -- they have one in EVERY hooker establishment in Mexico, and if you haven't run into them yet, you are a fuckin' rookie!

We all argued for 2-3 minutes, and finally the girl sighed and said, "well, if your money means that much to you, keep it". AND I DID!

What did I lose? I lost a potential fave in a nearby brothel, but one that saw me as a fucking S-U-C-K-E-R, someone who paid 100% tip and all I wanted was an honest effort. What did THEY lose? A customer willing to come 4-5 times a month with the ability to spread goodwill about the place, something I've done MANY times here, other forums, to visiting friends.

They won, obviously.

For those wondering who to believe about MTY, TOTALLY up to YOU. But I hold the place to a higher standard than some. Comparing it to Asia is a FUCKING JOKE, and as much as USB tries to convince himself he's getting some sort of bargain there, his head's moving from in the sand to UP HIS TRASERO!

I was being a little facetious toying with Porker...But seriously,

The problem is, the numbers per capita in Monterrey that deliver GFE, and are charming and fun, and void, seemingly, of disingenuous games, versus the numbers available in Asia that do likewise, is no comparison. In that assessment, Porker is correct. You can land in the PI, and in one hour find what it may take months to identify and conquer in Monterrey.

However, that does not mean that Monterrey is devoid of such opportunities. It just means that it requires more time, money, and effort in relation to money spent on the ground in Asia to achieve the identical, and arguably, superior kind of scenario.

However, for my money, Mexicanas have the Asian girls beat on almost all fronts with respect to sensuality...that is, when I find one that conforms "Asia Style" in her approach. And, the only time that occurs in Mexico is when there is a legitimate side developed through my own relentless effort to enhance their legitimate affections.

The Asian girls seem to have an inherent legitimacy in their approach, whereas you have to work very hard to get past the "larceny" that seems to be in-bred among our Mexicanas. Therefore, it takes a lot of work to get past that streak of larceny.

IMHO, Mexicanas are better lovers than the Asian girls. But, for every one that I find that meets my criteria, Porker, next week, will find fifty in half the amount of time, and they will all be as sweet and genuine acting as you could ever wish for.



[QUOTE=Porker]Regio, DUDE, BELIEVE ME, I GET! I know the rules of the game and will categorically state the rules of the game in Mexico are NOT FOR ME. I repeat, in case there's any doubt, NOT FOR ME.

If there are OTHERS in the world that wanna average spending 100 bucks a day and get a kiss on the cheek as they pay their bill OR spend 500 bucks a day to get 2 hours of sex in their hotel and think they are getting some sort of value for their money, well, GOOD for THEM!

I save my meager funds for what I consider much better value, and will stack my deals up against anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]

USB, my reference to "fuck machines" was a comparison between hookrs that actually know their job and DELIVER and those that think they are somehow above the fray and think their job is to laugh at your jokes while you pay 60 bucks+/hour for that. It isn't "social skills" that makes the difference, IMO, it's the ridiculously diminished expectations of their clients. Idiots buying jarras aren't doing it because the girl is "charming" it's because they're looking for some outlying mongering goal than the average monger -- getting laid takes a back seat to schmoozing with a prosty.

OK, you've spent 6 days (is that right???) in the Philippines, and I've spent 3000 days in Mexico?

But I WILL ADMIT, if ONE were to spend 500+ USD per day in Mexico, they could find the odd GFE there that would be generally satisfactory for a couple hours at a time.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I was being a little facetious toying with Porker...But seriously,

The problem is, the numbers per capita in Monterrey that deliver GFE, and are charming and fun, and void, seemingly, of disingenuous games, versus the numbers available in Asia that do likewise, is no comparison. In that assessment, Porker is correct. You can land in the PI, and in one hour find what it may take months to identify and conquer in Monterrey.

However, that does not mean that Monterrey is devoid of such opportunities. It just means that it requires more time, money, and effort in relation to money spent on the ground in Asia to achieve the identical, and arguably, superior kind of scenario.

However, for my money, Mexicanas have the Asian girls beat on almost all fronts with respect to sensuality...that is, when I find one that conforms "Asia Style" in her approach. And, the only time that occurs in Mexico is when there is a legitimate side developed through my own relentless effort to enhance their legitimate affections.

The Asian girls seem to have an inherent legitimacy in their approach, whereas you have to work very hard to get past the "larceny" that seems to be in-bred among our Mexicanas. Therefore, it takes a lot of work to get past that streak of larceny.

IMHO, Mexicanas are better lovers than the Asian girls. But, for every one that I find that meets my criteria, Porker, next week, will find fifty in half the amount of time, and they will all be as sweet and genuine acting as you could ever wish for.[/QUOTE]

Ths is where USB is wrong, this is the part where Porker knows best.

USB is wrong in saying that the girls do not give GFE, even his brand of GFE.
They do, but this the case where they just don't give it to him.
Why?
I don't know... USB has never ever been able to tell us why.
We can only suppose he just blows it some where along the line.

I mean, I get tons of GFE... I just DON'T want a girlfriend per se.

Now Porker know best.
He has found HIS brand of fun at SEA .. good for him.
Simply put, if he rules over there, why should he serve over here?
I mean, words more or less, that Porker has adapted to a style that he has always been looking for... servile.
One that really needs his money and they bend over backwards to fit his needs.

That does not happen in Monterrey and Porker has lost his capacity to distinguish from his left hand and his right hand: Mexico will not be SEA for him.

But he just confirmed what I said, he's style is confrontational.
Even if he doesn't intend voluntarly to confront, he atracts confrontation one way or another.
Porker does not like how the dynamics of Monterrey businesses work, some how, some way something will spark a controversy.

But again he´s right, he has found heaven in SEA, one that fits him like a glove.

PS: Signore is still good... ante has gone up cause some girls now really believe that Signore has gone up a notch. If I go to Signore to test ride the MP, I give the girl a 200 pesos tip (yes 200 pesos). 200 + 150 starting price puts it at 350, 150 pesos lower than what I pay at Infinito (500 average), which is still a BIG deal over all the SC and many MPs.




[QUOTE=Porker]OK, you've spent 6 days (is that right???) in the Philippines, and I've spent 3000 days in Mexico?

But I WILL ADMIT, if ONE were to spend 500+ USD per day in Mexico, they could find the odd GFE there that would be generally satisfactory for a couple hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

Mein Freund, you spend more money on DRINKS in a MONTH for girls to LAUGH AT YOUR JOKES than I spend on a plane ticket to Asia.

I agree that I hold my working girls to a higher standard than the average Mexican client who thinks that 8 minutes with her clothes still 1/2way on is standard service. Oh, and that's for the guy that actually wants SEX! The pathetic losers that spend HOURS "romancing" their working girls and barely even getting to touch them are beyond hope.

As far as the Mexican GFE, beLIEVE ME, I have experienced it, and it wasn't all that great? If you all are believing all the "ooh papi" crap, I really shouldn't burst your bubbles.

Re: being confrontational, exactly what is supposed to be the response when you have already 2x paid a tip to your MP girl for a half hour session, 100% TIP over the cost of the session, and she complains that you actually owe her 50 pesos PER POSITION MORE? Would YOU not get confrontational?

And in the end, it was HER that ASKED for MORE SEX?

Dude, I'm not exaggerating or leaving out details. She bitched and whined for money way worse than any MTY girl I've ever been with and even AFTER I had been pretty generous with her (in my obviously biased opinion).

And you know better than ANYONE what happens whenever a customer complains about ANYTHING in a Mexican hooker establishment, the customer is ALWAYS WRONG!

You are sooooo wrong.
The same way I insisted for a while that you were totally clueless going to SEA, and now I don't do it, the same way you insist I don't know my business at the clubs.

It is very different what you think you see, from what I do behind scenes.

I never boast the girls I have, I never point them out I never say when I see them... I think USB is the only one that has met ALMOST the whole roster.
(Wasted is totally clueless about it)

Also... yes, I spend my fair amount of money. But I have never said I regret spending it.
What I do, I do... done and ready for next week.

Same way you do when you travel to SEA: save a lot of money and then go and have fun.
I haven't complained in a while and I will never say again that you spend more money in plane ticket than I spend with the girls.
Noticed that?
Nope... you still just want to confront what I do.
I have learned that you LOVE what you do. I will leave you to your business in SEA, one I just don't understand, but will not complain.
Will you please also understand that you just don't understand how the business is running now in Mexico?





[QUOTE=Porker]Mein Freund, you spend more money on DRINKS in a MONTH for girls to LAUGH AT YOUR JOKES than I spend on a plane ticket to Asia.

I agree that I hold my working girls to a higher standard than the average Mexican client who thinks that 8 minutes with her clothes still 1/2way on is standard service. Oh, and that's for the guy that actually wants SEX! The pathetic losers that spend HOURS "romancing" their working girls and barely even getting to touch them are beyond hope.

As far as the Mexican GFE, beLIEVE ME, I have experienced it, and it wasn't all that great? If you all are believing all the "ooh papi" crap, I really shouldn't burst your bubbles.[/QUOTE]

You know what she did?.... this:

"And in the end, it was HER that ASKED for MORE SEX?"

Part of the ABC of *****s.... she thought your game was waiting to see her cum and she read you wrong.
That's why she became frustrated and later on pissed off.


[QUOTE=Porker]Re: being confrontational, exactly what is supposed to be the response when you have already 2x paid a tip to your MP girl for a half hour session, 100% TIP over the cost of the session, and she complains that you actually owe her 50 pesos PER POSITION MORE? Would YOU not get confrontational?

And in the end, it was HER that ASKED for MORE SEX?

Dude, I'm not exaggerating or leaving out details. She bitched and whined for money way worse than any MTY girl I've ever been with and even AFTER I had been pretty generous with her (in my obviously biased opinion).

And you know better than ANYONE what happens whenever a customer complains about ANYTHING in a Mexican hooker establishment, the customer is ALWAYS WRONG![/QUOTE]

yes, all, sorry if i'm peeing on anyone's parade. i will be the first to admit that there very good times to be had with the chicas of monterrey. i know because i have had them. but yes, the rules of the game and pricing have pretty much pushed me out of it there.

Hello!

I used this site over a year ago while in Medellin and it was incredible, helped me have a good time!

Now I'm traveling to Monterrey tomorrow, I'll be staying at the Four Points by Sheraton. Can you guys give me any advice where to go? Here's Amigomio's map I've been looking at, with my hotel highlighted (should be)

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I like the sound of Signore, but if you guys have better suggestions, I'm open to them!

Thanks!

i know you like big tits, but i didn't know you were into rep002s...peeing on parades and the like... :-)))

pricing? listen, pricing could not be worse than where i am. in this town in the midwest, the girls are going for $300us an hour, and the shitty experience they deliver in comparison to monterrey would not compare favorably to my worst experience in six years of going to monterrey. count your blessings...

[quote=porker]yes, all, sorry if i'm peeing on anyone's parade. i will be the first to admit that there very good times to be had with the chicas of monterrey. i know because i have had them. but yes, the rules of the game and pricing have pretty much pushed me out of it there.[/quote]

I have spent more than six days in the PI. I spent six days with you in Angeles, that's true. But, I've spent literally weeks in Asia between Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, and the PI. Certainly, my experience there is dwarfed by yours, but I am not in a contest, or boasting of my experiences there. Suffice it to say, one does not need excessive experience on the ground in Asia to achieve unbelievable results. I'm sure you will agree.

Monterrey, on the other hand, is a little different story. It is a significantly more difficult venue than Asia. That is all I'm saying, that it requires more effort, but that the potential results are just as good, all be it results that might be more isolated in comparison to what one can attain in Asia in significantly less time, and for significantly less money per session. However, when you figure in the cost of travel, the time, etc...the two are not so far apart in overall cost.

Monterrey??? I have spent probably about an average of 500 days total. I think that is sufficient to form conclusions about what is possible there. The equivalent of mongering non-stop for a year and half, day in, and day out.

But, I also think that significantly more time is required to figure out Monterrey, at least with respect to my brand of experience, than what is required to figure out Asia. After all, that is part of Asia's appeal, right? Where it requires time to totally understand Monterrey, you can land in AC and have it totally digested in three days.

The bottom line is not time spent, but whether you have the experience in the venue to know what is possible, and how the venues differ with respect to reasonable expectation for your preferred kind of experience.

In Monterrey, at this juncture, I get hibred GFE that really was never quite successfully duplicated in the PI, or all of Asia for that matter. GFE is certainly much more widely available in Asia, but not the depth to which I can experience it now in Monterrey. But, I have a totally different objective than what most mongers aspire to when they visit Monterrey.

That comes as a result of growing mature in the venue, just as you have done with respect to the PI. Your activities in the PI are markedly different now than they were when we went together several years ago.

I know...we all stray back to our old ways on occasion, but generally my activities in Monterrey are quite different now compared to what they were five years ago, and my goals and objectives have changed considerably, as have yours in the PI. But, for me, it's goals and expectation that make a venue difficult. I am sometimes my own worst enemy.

As for Carlos referring to my not seemingly being able to achieve GFE with that many girls in Monterrey, it is more a matter of my being extremely particular and demanding of them, a matter of they, per capita, falling short of my demanding expectations.

And that is what really defines the comparison between Asia and Monterrey. In Asia, I am equally demanding, but achieve my particularly demanding criteria for GFE with considerably less effort.

However, my particularly demanding criteria for GFE is still attainable in Monterrey, but I requires a lot more work, and it can yield a certain amount of frustration as a result, primarily due to my having knowledge of venues where the amount of work required is not so nearly demanding.

That is where those that have nothing to compare Monterrey to are perhaps blessed. Respectfully said, ignorance is bliss, and what you don't have, or have not experienced, is not missed.

[QUOTE=Porker]OK, you've spent 6 days (is that right???) in the Philippines, and I've spent 3000 days in Mexico?

But I WILL ADMIT, if ONE were to spend 500+ USD per day in Mexico, they could find the odd GFE there that would be generally satisfactory for a couple hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

It does not take 500 days to figure out Monterrey. It takes a couple of visits. Especially for an experienced cabron like you, me, him and them. For goodness sake, if you need to spend a total of 2 years to understand the SC girls, then you're probably better off staying at home with your wife. She's more worthy of spending day after day drooling over her trying to please her so she would accept to spend the night with you. Yet, she's still in full control. All up to her.

Now that ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them gals ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb

But seriously. I think, out of all the Monterrey visitors, I, Wasted, have the most fun ever. Call it touting my own horn or whatever you wanna call it. Not even Carlos, the king of Monterrey, can top my activities and reap the rewards like I do. Even Bob himself will admit his astonishment when he witnessed, on 2 separate occasions, the girls arrive at my door on time and asks "How do you get them to show up on time?" then followed by "How do you get them to be so faithful?" when he sees the love and affection I get. Carlos, I will never forget his comments: “ So you got the girls to show up on time” when he, as usual, comes over to see the girls in the daylight. He loves to seem them in civilian clothing’s. They look different in the light. It is unheard of in Mexico for a person to show up on time. But it is unacceptable to Wasted for a girl to be 5 minutes late.

And how much does this cost me, you ask? Sweet P spent 4 days with me. When it was time to adios her, she asked for 2000 pesos. The other girls who join us, usually 1 or 2, get their share if they get luck enough to please me but nothing more than 1000 pesos for an all-nighter. But that is not the point. Everything has its price.

The point is, every and each one of us has his preferences. Although Carlos and I seem to have the same method, him being local limits what he can do. he can not have girls from up scale clubs meet him outside the Infinito door and go out with 5 or 6 girls to a night club then take 2, 3 or 4 back to the hotel . Bob, you have never done that although I've asked you to join us many times. RTW got to witness this great fun one time and he himself was shocked and kept saying "I can not believe I am here with those knockout teenage girls." and then he would email me saying "Those girls are better left to someone more experience like yourself."

I am not more experienced. I only started this mongering sh8t a few years ago and Monterrey is my only choice. I used to love Asians until I visited Monterrey. I will not go anywhere else. Monterrey is perfect. Awesome. Excellent. Too good to be true.

Monterrey rocks.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
Monterrey??? I have spent probably about an average of 500 days total. I think that is sufficient to form conclusions about what is possible there. The equivalent of mongering non-stop for a year and half, day in, and day out.
[/QUOTE]

No, certainly it does not take 500 days to figure it out. My reference to the time spent doesn't refer to the amount of time it takes to figure it out, but only as it relates to the change in me with respect to preferences, expectations, and goals. My point being that my own activities, preferences, and satisfaction level changed over time.

I remember when I first came to Monterrey, I was dumb founded. I was totally and completely shocked and wide eyed. I was totally smitten by girls in the clubs, amazed at this unbelievable collection of absolute divas. Any Gringo that steps foot into Monterrey coming from our original environment in the USA will be totally and completely dumb founded by the experience, completely amazed that such a Mecca exists. And, the wide-eyed, ga ga, impression will last quite some time.

Now, however, I am not impressed by the mix, but used to it, no longer really surprised by what is Monterrey. Even some of the girls that I formerly might have thought were hot candidates for my attention, are types that are not even on my radar at this juncture. Plus, after visiting Monterrey for so many years, seeing many of the same girls working the bars, seeing them there year after year, so many of them fixtures in the bars, I am sometimes bored with the selection.

That illustrates the change, but it goes beyond that, to a change that has me evaluating girls from a totally different perspective than when I first arrived. Perhaps now the changes in my being "impressed," and my own elevated criteria of selection, have me also limiting the range of fun that I might otherwise have were I less discriminating with respect to chemistry.

And, when I refer to my being discriminating, I am not referring entirely to their appearance, but more with respect to something intrinsic in them that I recognize as exceptional compared to the others, attributes in them that I recognize will fulfill my own changed desires for a relatively unique experience.

Make no mistake, if my activities in Monterrey are comparatively tame with respect to my former years there, or in comparison to the exploits referred to by WastedG, it is entirely one that is self imposed, a resulting change that I see in me, and not necessarily a change in Monterrey, or a condition resulting from my being in a funk. It is strictly my own imposition of preferences, desire, and criteria that limits that range of my current activities, versus the activities illustrated by WastedG in his kinds of experiences.

But, one question will always remain...How do you get them to show up on time? That, I must admit, is truly a feat unparalleled. In that, I congratulate you.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]It does not take 500 days to figure out Monterrey. It takes a couple of visits. Especially for an experienced cabron like you, me, him and them. For goodness sake, if you need to spend a total of 2 years to understand the SC girls, then you're probably better off staying at home with your wife. She's more worthy of spending day after day drooling over her trying to please her so she would accept to spend the night with you. Yet, she's still in full control. All up to her.

Now that ain't workin'
that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them gals ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb

But seriously. I think, out of all the Monterrey visitors, I, Wasted, have the most fun ever. Call it touting my own horn or whatever you wanna call it. Not even Carlos, the king of Monterrey, can top my activities and reap the rewards like I do. Even Bob himself will admit his astonishment when he witnessed, on 2 separate occasions, the girls arrive at my door on time and asks "How do you get them to show up on time?" then followed by "How do you get them to be so faithful?" when he sees the love and affection I get. Carlos, I will never forget his comments: “ So you got the girls to show up on time” when he, as usual, comes over to see the girls in the daylight. He loves to seem them in civilian clothing’s. They look different in the light. It is unheard of in Mexico for a person to show up on time. But it is unacceptable to Wasted for a girl to be 5 minutes late.

And how much does this cost me, you ask? Sweet P spent 4 days with me. When it was time to adios her, she asked for 2000 pesos. The other girls who join us, usually 1 or 2, get their share if they get luck enough to please me but nothing more than 1000 pesos for an all-nighter. But that is not the point. Everything has its price.

The point is, every and each one of us has his preferences. Although Carlos and I seem to have the same method, him being local limits what he can do. he can not have girls from up scale clubs meet him outside the Infinito door and go out with 5 or 6 girls to a night club then take 2, 3 or 4 back to the hotel . Bob, you have never done that although I've asked you to join us many times. RTW got to witness this great fun one time and he himself was shocked and kept saying "I can not believe I am here with those knockout teenage girls." and then he would email me saying "Those girls are better left to someone more experience like yourself."

I am not more experienced. I only started this mongering sh8t a few years ago and Monterrey is my only choice. I used to love Asians until I visited Monterrey. I will not go anywhere else. Monterrey is perfect. Awesome. Excellent. Too good to be true.

Monterrey rocks.[/QUOTE]

Well said Bob. Your 1st paragraph below is right on the money.

But I still think you are missing out on 80% of the 'other' fun to be had in Monterrey. All of you are. You activities are limited to screwing a girl and that's it. I tame tigers while you call out a kitty cat.

Carlos is half way between you and me. He enters the lions' den and makes the girls jump through hoops. The thrill of the tiger hunt is 100 times more rewarding than petting a little pussy. If you know what I mean.

Where do Carlos and I differ? His lions seize to roar when I’m around. Thus him hiding his girls from me.

Wasted



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
I remember when I first came to Monterrey, I was dumb founded. I was totally and completely shocked and wide eyed. I was totally smitten by girls in the clubs, amazed at this unbelievable collection of absolute divas. Any Gringo that steps foot into Monterrey coming from our original environment in the USA will be totally and completely dumb founded by the experience, completely amazed that such a Mecca exists. And, the wide-eyed, ga ga, impression will last quite some time.


But, one question will always remain...How do you get them to show up on time? That, I must admit, is truly a feat unparalleled. In that, I congratulate you.[/QUOTE]

My activities are NOT limited to just screwing a girl, quite the contrary. That, IMHO, is what distinguishes me, and us, I believe, from the other mongers that come to Monterrey.

We have evolved to a point of desiring more from the totality of our experiences. That is literally what makes Monterrey a more difficult venue for us than Asia for example, where the "more" is a part of the experience, and in a matter of hours of arriving your very first time, you can achieve what we routinely desire of our encounters in Monterrey, with 80% of the girls in attendance.

Believe me that for every one girl we find in Monterrey that satisfies our kind of experience, there are literally 20 that are terrible. In Asia, however, there are literally twenty for every one we find in Monterrey that lives up to our expectation.

If you really analyze our activities, we all patronize a very limited number of girls in Monterrey compared to the full range of girls that are available. None of us stray wildly to different girls each time we visit. Quite the opposite, we all have our same girls. And, the reason is, there are so many girls that deliver a poor experience that we simply do not waste our time with 90% of them. We all keep going back to our respective harems, finding new ones on occasion, but generally liking to patronize our known reliable providers.

So, each of us have settled on our favoritas, and for good reason. WastedG spent three days with his "P" girl, straying slightly to the "J" girl...there can be no other explanation when you consider the vast range of selection in Monterrey.

I am the same way, seeing my "G" girl almost exclusively now, maybe only an occasional straying, and usually only with a girl that I have known a long time, a sure thing, with the only exception being my newbie girl, not something I usually even entertain doing due to the likelihood of such a venture being a total disappointment. I was simply lucky in my selection with newbie girl. And, while the experience with newbie girl was excellent by any criteria, I'm not so sure, for me, that the chemistry is there. Time will tell.

There simply aren't that many exceptional girls. Take it from someone who HAS TRIED THEM ALL over the years!!! :-)))

But, with respect to my missing out on 80% of the fun, next trip I will accompany you to the night club. But, you must provide me with an escort, or I mean escort(s), as in the plural. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Well said Bob. Your 1st paragraph below is right on the money.

But I still think you are missing out on 80% of the 'other' fun to be had in Monterrey. All of you are. You activities are limited to screwing a girl and that's it. I tame tigers while you call out a kitty cat.

Carlos is half way between you and me. He enters the lions' den and makes the girls jump through hoops. The thrill of the tiger hunt is 100 times more rewarding than petting a little pussy. If you know what I mean.

Where do Carlos and I differ? His lions seize to roar when I’m around. Thus him hiding his girls from me.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

WastedG, I am getting back channel inquiries as to the name of the disco where you take your harem. What is it again, and where is it located?

It ain't a regular disco... it's called Taboo.
You ain't gonna like it.
It's a gay bar.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, I am getting back channel inquiries as to the name of the disco where you take your harem. What is it again, and where is it located?[/QUOTE]

I don't know...maybe I should go to livin up the joint, verdad?

[QUOTE=Amigomio]It ain't a regular disco... it's called Taboo.
You ain't gonna like it.
It's a gay bar.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Little do you know. I've moved on from those places. This place is in Barrio Antiguo. There are several as a matter of fact.

Taboo gets crazy on Saturday nights. I do not care for it anymore beside Fridays. While the new place at Barrio gets me my own private section with the girls. It's more private than Taboo and the crowd is much better with no gays or lesbians. Too bad for X-girl. She used to pick up girls at taboo and bring them back to my hotel room to play with.

Although I miss Taboo. The waiter knows me by name. I don't know how the hell he got my name in the first place but the moment I walk in, he rushes to get me a reserved table. I think it's from the days when America used to perform there. She yells out my name from the dancing stage and smacks a kiss on the lips. The crowd always wondered who the hell this gringo was coming into the place with teenage girls, gets his own reserved table and the performer bows to him. I remember once X-girl and Juana got on the stage and started to strip for me. Some guys were telling me 'some kids you have' when I told them they were my daughters. ha ha.

Yeah, I have not entered Taboo since the last time I took Lady J and her sister there. That was about a year ago.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]It ain't a regular disco... it's called Taboo.
You ain't gonna like it.
It's a gay bar.[/QUOTE]

Surething Bob dude. You can pick and chose. Tell me your fantsy and I will lend you a girl or two. I charge thu. ha ha.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
But, with respect to my missing out on 80% of the fun, next trip I will accompany you to the night club. But, you must provide me with an escort, or I mean escort(s), as in the plural. [/QUOTE]

Just for thrills, you, or whomever is inquiring, must check out Taboo or ArcoIris. Like Carlos said, those 2 places are packed with gays and lesbians so be prepared to be shocked.

Taboo is located near contituicion (correct me Carlos) and the south end of pino suarez. I can't for the life of me give you exact location. ArcoIris is somewhere near Club International where Mr. Q hanged out for a while.

Like I said, Fridays are great with light crowd but Saturdays are absolutely wild and packed.

Also Big Disco is a must as well. Normal crowd. No gays but man, are the girls hot? Woooo .. you, Bob, will have a hill of a time keeping up. They are all G girl look-alike and they come in loads. Singles. No hombres. We lost Mr. L. there once when a dude pinched Dreadvany's ass. I almost threw him from the balcony if Tania did not intervene and got a security dude to throw him out of the club. Mr. L. could not control himself and decided to go back to the hotel because, if he waited a minute longer, we would have been on the news the next morning with blood on our hands.

Still, I loved watching dreadvany shake her ass for me against the rails while I sat back. A few guys approached her and she would turn around, point at me and say, with the biggest smile, ‘I’m with him.”


Enjoy.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, I am getting back channel inquiries as to the name of the disco where you take your harem. What is it again, and where is it located?[/QUOTE]

Please do not misinterpret Wasted's remarks on the Barrio Antiguo clubs and joints.
Wasted lives a charmed life principaly cause he can mix with Mexicans... and this is a VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR he just takes for granted.
Barrio Antiguo is a close circuit, "friends only" and stuff like that.
BUT, men are entitled to try and get the other guys girl and they will and many times I see in the morning newscasts the outcome of those fights.
He minimizes them... I have seen the brawls.
The police does not intervene till there is a last man standing.... then they pick the survivors from the floor.

And don't give USB ideas... they do not look like G at all.
He will not be able to mix with the crowd.
He will be totally lost cause he will stand out like a sore thumb.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Just for thrills, you, or whomever is inquiring, must check out Taboo or ArcoIris. Like Carlos said, those 2 places are packed with gays and lesbians so be prepared to be shocked.

Taboo is located near contituicion (correct me Carlos) and the south end of pino suarez. I can't for the life of me give you exact location. ArcoIris is somewhere near Club International where Mr. Q hanged out for a while.

Like I said, Fridays are great with light crowd but Saturdays are absolutely wild and packed.

Also Big Disco is a must as well. Normal crowd. No gays but man, are the girls hot? Woooo .. you, Bob, will have a hill of a time keeping up. They are all G girl look-alike and they come in loads. Singles. No hombres. We lost Mr. L. there once when a dude pinched Dreadvany's ass. I almost threw him from the balcony if Tania did not intervene and got a security dude to throw him out of the club. Mr. L. could not control himself and decided to go back to the hotel because, if he waited a minute longer, we would have been on the news the next morning with blood on our hands.

Still, I loved watching dreadvany shake her ass for me against the rails while I sat back. A few guys approached her and she would turn around, point at me and say, with the biggest smile, ‘I’m with him.”


Enjoy.[/QUOTE]

Carlos is correct. Take notes.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Please do not misinterpret Wasted's remarks on the Barrio Antiguo clubs and joints.
Wasted lives a charmed life principaly cause he can mix with Mexicans... and this is a VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR he just takes for granted.
Barrio Antiguo is a close circuit, "friends only" and stuff like that.
BUT, men are entitled to try and get the other guys girl and they will and many times I see in the morning newscasts the outcome of those fights.
He minimizes them... I have seen the brawls.
The police does not intervene till there is a last man standing.... then they pick the survivors from the floor.

And don't give USB ideas... they do not look like G at all.
He will not be able to mix with the crowd.
He will be totally lost cause he will stand out like a sore thumb.[/QUOTE]

standing out, and specifically being identifiable as a gringo, has served me so well in mexico. because, literally, mexicanas are attracted to gringos, unbelievably attracted to gringos. so, the fact that i stand out as a gringo has always served me well.

what i am about to comment on may seem bigoted by the politically correct standards in the usa, but these are absolute facts of life in mexico. these are facts of life you can use to your advantage, if you know the score. but, they are also facts that can endanger you if you play the game without this prior knowledge.

first, as i have always said, the psychology of mongering, at least with respect to my brand of it, is one of the most important considerations that i contemplate. these are the truths that fuel my hibred gfes in mexico, and they do not apply in any other country, perhaps with the exception of some of the south american countries where the same kinds of ethnic realities endure.

literally, it is the absolute "wet dream" of many mexican girls, 98% of morenas, to be with a white guy. the darker, and more mexican indian ancestry they have, the more attracted to the entire idea of being with a white guy they seem to be. however, even some of the lighter skinned girls, such as my newbie girl, angry girl, etc...seem to literally be depraved beyond belief at this prospect. i believe this attraction is also based in class as well. white equals successful, wealthy, powerful, social position, etc...

i have learned that woman are sometimes more attracted to being with a guy that is successful, wealthy, powerful, and of social position, than for any other reason.

i am speaking mainly of my experience with hookers here, but i believe it applies to good girls too. many of the morenas, or even the lighter skinned, lower class mexicanas, have been socialized to believe they have no chance with a white guy, so they will sometimes hang back, even the hookers.

it seems to me, a gringo observing the ethnic dynamic in mexico, that mexicanos wildly prefer white girls, blonde hair, blue eyes, etc...so, even among their own ethnicity, morenas are not charished by mexicanos, but taken totally and completely for granted. all mexicanos want white girls, and all mexicanas want white guys. the dark skinned mexican girls go to great lengths sometimes to change their eye color, color their hair, etc...just to appear less ethnic than is their reality.

in mexico, you will almost universally see white skinned, upper class mexicanos dating and marrying white skinned, non-moreno girls. next time you're in monterrey, just notice the girls on the arms of the light skinned, ethnically european mexicanos, especially the ones living in the affluent neiborhoods, colonial el valle, san pedro, etc...visit the grocery stores in those neiborhoods, and you will witness it first hand. the girls are always, always light skinned girls on the arms of the men, ones that do not betray an ancestry linked to indian or dark skinned indiginous peoples.

so, by the time morenas are of age, through their socialization, they are resolved at believing that they are not attractive to us, white skinned guys, so they give up in their own minds, concentrating mostly on their own ethnicity, not withstanding some ocassional exceptions. this is even true of the hookers in the bars.

but, if you show them some attention, they will be almost dumb founded initially that you are even remotely interested in them. and, the funny thing is, most gringos are wildly interested in the morenas, and not necessarily nearly so much in the white skinned mexican chicks who look too much like gringas. and, who wants to be reminded of those bitchy gringas back in the usa. for my money, give me a flaca, morena spinner every time.

this all having been said, carlos' warnings are indeed wise. because, mexican males know this universal truth, and especially mexican males that are darker skinned because they have the more intense sensitivity to it. they're acutely aware of the morenas going "ga ga" over white skinned guys. and, being a gringo, with all that goes along with that with respect to universally perceived affluence, education, class, etc...it just serves to start the morenas "cumming" that much sooner.

so, obviously, the dark skinned mexican males, are sensitive to their girls "creaming" over the prospect of being with a white guy. therefore, if you are attending these clubs, and the morenos get a little liquor in them, and you are a gringo pursuing mexican girls, even when the girls are not with anyone else, things can literally explode, not to mention all the standard jealousies that abound in those kinds of situations between the morenos themselves and the girls.

the gringos are perceived as the invading army [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] their women, women who the mexicanos know are craving to be raped. imagine the anger that can develop in the mexicanos, and especially those that get mean when they get drunk.

just be careful out there...the dynamic in the scs is very different than the dynamic in the discos. in the strip clubs, it's a very controlled environment. we are safer pursuing hookers within the sc environment, than we are pursuing legitimate girls, even if they are hookers in reality, and they take on the appearance of being "normal" girls in the disco.


[quote=amigomio]please do not misinterpret wasted's remarks on the barrio antiguo clubs and joints.
wasted lives a charmed life principaly cause he can mix with mexicans... and this is a very important factor he just takes for granted.
barrio antiguo is a close circuit, "friends only" and stuff like that.
but, men are entitled to try and get the other guys girl and they will and many times i see in the morning newscasts the outcome of those fights.
he minimizes them... i have seen the brawls.
the police does not intervene till there is a last man standing.... then they pick the survivors from the floor.

and don't give usb ideas... they do not look like g at all.
he will not be able to mix with the crowd.
he will be totally lost cause he will stand out like a sore thumb.[/quote]

" i have learned that woman are sometimes more attracted to being with a guy that is successful, wealthy, powerful, and of social position, than for any other reason. i am speaking mainly of my experience with hookers here, but i believe it applies to good girls too "

uno,

i think you are finally on to something here . . . it's about the money.

" so, obviously, the dark skinned mexican males, are sensitive to their girls "creaming" over the prospect of being with a white guy. the gringos are perceived as the invading army [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] their women, women who the mexicanos know are craving to be raped "

umm . . . no. great fantasy, but stick with the power and money idea. and of course the superior baking skills that many gringos are born with.

i agree with prokofiev, nice fantasy... nice topic for a movie, though.

there is one thing usb... remember the other side of the hills? the colonia del valle district?
americans do not impress anyone here at all.
remember that when we go to the malls, no one pays attention to you, nor at the restaurants... etc.



[quote=prokofiev]" i have learned that woman are sometimes more attracted to being with a guy that is successful, wealthy, powerful, and of social position, than for any other reason. i am speaking mainly of my experience with hookers here, but i believe it applies to good girls too "

uno,

i think you are finally on to something here . . . it's about the money.

" so, obviously, the dark skinned mexican males, are sensitive to their girls "creaming" over the prospect of being with a white guy. the gringos are perceived as the invading army [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] their women, women who the mexicanos know are craving to be raped "

umm . . . no. great fantasy, but stick with the power and money idea. and of course the superior baking skills that many gringos are born with.[/quote]

galletas???? :-))) yeah, the way to a woman's heart is through her stomach. another profound truth perpetrated on the board by your's truly.

actually, when i refer to the "gringo factor," it carries with it all of the trappings of being a gringo. and, of course, one of the universal misconceptions in mexico is that all gringos are rich :-))) thank god!!!

however, the definition of being "rich" is all encompassing. it includes the natural assumption that being rich also means being of social position, powerful, smart, educated, sophisticated, charismatic, hip, etc...all that the lower class girls are not, but aspire to through sexual association.

and, because "white" translates into "rich" in mexico, psychologically, we gringos are inextricably linked to being immediately desireable by latin sociological definition. i speak, of course, in generalities. however, most of my experiences in monterrey have me reaching these conclusions.

it is not the race, but the kind of socialization that takes place in mexico that links the white skin color, or the european ancestry, to affluence. that cultural influence pschologically prepares low class girls, from a very early age, to desire the most affluent in their society. the girls learn to "profile," and "waaa laaa," we gringos are in a hugely advantageous position. but, make no mistake, this is simply a starting point.

just like when you're hunting for a better job. getting the interview is the beginning. it's what you do during the interview that determines whether you are "selected." so, our predisposition as gringos is merely a fleeting advantage, one that must be backed up with lots of money, class, charm, manipulation, etc...whatever is necessary beyond the superficial to get you where you want to go with your desired scenario.

so, yes, it does come down to the money. but, in their sweet, innocent defense, even in gringo society, even in legitimate relationships, what does not come down to money in the end?

but, to illustrate how much effect the socialization has upon our flaca morenas...

if i were standing next to a moreno of the same relative age, dressed the same, we having the same relatively vacant look on our faces, my standing next to one that literally had tens of millions of pesos in the bank, and my having only a measily $1000us in the bank, and were the girls to have no prior knowledge of our relative affluence, a disproportionate number of girls would naturally flock in my direction, not because of me, but because of the way they are socialized. i am the benefactor of hundreds of years of mexican cultural indoctrination...thank god!!! of course, now they all know me, and they only flock to me now because they truly love me, and because i have them hopelessly addicted.......to galletas :-)))

of course, my reference to they all wanting we gringos to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] them was an exaggeration on my part...intended to be mildly amusing, i hope. but, none the less, i attribute much of my positive experiences with the girls to being influenced initially by the "gringo factor."

but, of course, to maintain a constantly improving scenario requires one to turn on signficant amounts of charm and manipulation, sincere charm and manipulation in my case, and, of course, to tap the old bank account on their behalf, in order to reinforce the preconceived notion that all gringos are indeed rich, maintaining their decadent and depraved dilusions for as long as possible of course, thereby hopefully yielding a gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] situation where i am the victim.

now we are back to that argument made famous by three distinguished and famous social commentators, moe, larry, and curly. is it ancestry or socialization that influences behavior? my thesis, of course, demonstrates that it is indeed "socialization" professor prok, and not necessarily ancestry that determines natural selection.

[quote=prokofiev]" i have learned that woman are sometimes more attracted to being with a guy that is successful, wealthy, powerful, and of social position, than for any other reason. i am speaking mainly of my experience with hookers here, but i believe it applies to good girls too "

uno,

i think you are finally on to something here . . . it's about the money.

" so, obviously, the dark skinned mexican males, are sensitive to their girls "creaming" over the prospect of being with a white guy. the gringos are perceived as the invading army [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] their women, women who the mexicanos know are craving to be raped "

umm . . . no. great fantasy, but stick with the power and money idea. and of course the superior baking skills that many gringos are born with.[/quote]

You prove my point in spades...no pun intended :-)))). The "White" elite of Mexico are unimpressed. But, within the context of my sitting in a bar full of Morenas, the evidence of hundreds of years of Mexican cultural socialization, and a depraved desire for Gringos, is self evident to me, and not something to be ignored, lest you lose your opportunity to experience the depth of their sociologically induced depraved indifference.



[QUOTE=Amigomio]I agree with Prokofiev, nice fantasy... nice topic for a movie, though.

There is one thing USB... remember the other side of the hills? The Colonia del Valle district?
Americans do not impress anyone here at all.
Remember that when we go to the malls, no one pays attention to you, nor at the restaurants... etc.[/QUOTE]

It is none of that.

It is all about having fun for a price. It is about establishing yourself. You can be the greatest looking white boy with tons of money. If you are an asshole, you're a rich white asshole..... Not pointing to anyone here.

I am a rich white boy and my name is Mr. Brown.
My name is Mr. Chung and my balls are brown.

Why theorize and set so much expectation while the thrill is there for the taking. The girls line up and you can have whomever you want for a price. Which part of the menu is still not clear to us?

It is misleading to say that having fun in Mexico is predicated only upon the ethnic sociology there. I merely said that being a Gringo gives one an advantage over the lower classes, ethnic classes that the girls routinely deal with on a daily basis.

I am merely stating a fact of life in Mexico with respect to the influence that ethnic class has on their thought processes, one that I know influences the dynamic.

I agree that being an asshole to the girls, even if you are a white boy with bulging pockets of cash, isn't going to yield for you what we routinely enjoy. That does, indeed, require a much deeper effort be made, and it is not dependent on the influences of ethnic class.

But, it should also be said that bulging pockets of cash will indeed go a long, long way in getting them to go with you no matter whether you are purple, green, blue or all three with poco dots and stripes.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]It is none of that.

It is all about having fun for a price. It is about establishing yourself. You can be the greatest looking white boy with tons of money. If you are an asshole, you're a rich white asshole..... Not pointing to anyone here.

I am a rich white boy and my name is Mr. Brown.
My name is Mr. Chung and my balls are brown.

Why theorize and set so much expectation while the thrill is there for the taking. The girls line up and you can have whomever you want for a price. Which part of the menu is still not clear to us?[/QUOTE]

Dang guys. I feel like I'm in some sort of philosophical discussion regarding pu$$y for sale. It is interesting to see the monger's mind and motive evolve as time goes by.

Sorry,

I haven't posted in a bit, but my last experience in MTY before leaving was with a Romano MP girl named Yvonne. This girl had a killer body and was friendly enough but didn't quite have the charimsa of my Infinito girl. I'll be back in a couple of weeks and am looking forward to LEARNING.

BTW, in regards to tipping in the SC, had I known that I shouldn't have, then I certainly wouldn't have. But you guys beat up on me pretty good on that one. But rest assured, the locals game of "grab-ass" is safe whenever I am around.

Sean

I always try to expand my understanding of the psychology and sociology beyond what literally happens with respect to "pussy for sale," attempting at all times to yield for myself something more than just "pussy for sale." That requires a concerted effort at understanding and applying techniques that can yield much more.

I am in the US now, in a major city, on business. Here, there are call girls/escorts. They cost $300-$400 an hour for similar quality of selection with respect to comparative appearance in Monterrey, and their attitudes, in comparison to what I achieve in Monterrey, and on a consistent basis, sucks.

The other venues here consist of a selection of street walkers. I did a run down the stroll last night, just out of curiousity. I was simultanteously depressed, disgusted, and dejected over what I witnessed, crack *****s, shemales, fat, ugly, ugly, ugly hookers. I saw more police cars cruising the stroll than hookers. Seriously....

The authorities here have virtually shut down the massage parlor industry. So, that option is non-existent in this particular large US Midwestern City. The options in the Midwestern US are sparse and disgusting, or wildly expensive. Simply put, after having experienced Monterrey, spending five minutes with one of these US hookers would turn my stomach.

There is simply no other venue here in the Midwestern US like what is offered in Monterrey. In comparison, even if you partake in non-GFE, mechanical encounters only, and you make no attempt to psychologically manipulate them into real amigas with privileges, you will have a fantastic experience in Monterrey in comparison to the US.

So, understanding the psychology depends on your perspective, and your own goals and objectives. Plus, if all a monger is used to is US based P4P, then understanding their psychology has little meaning. The US monger, with little other experience outside the US frame of reference, has a very limited understanding indeed, and they are not, yet, thinking outside the box due to their own shitty US mongering environment.

The girls I see in Monterrey are as close to real girlfriends as Pay 4 Play ever gets, and that does require work. As WastedG said, it requires you to establish yourself with them, to manipulate them, not disingenously, but sincerely, with affection, to the point that your behaviors with them demonstrate to them that you are more than just their client. That all requires work. But, in the end, you will yield signficant dividends, if that's what you're looking for.

That does not eliminate the financial component, although, in several instances, for me, making the effort has yielded sessions ranging from free to unbelievably frugal encounters. No brag, just fact...for all those that aspire to what IS possible if you do the work. The work is not disingenuous on my part, it simply is something I am pleased to do, something that enhances the GFE, something that were I to attempt to practice it here in the US on these spoiled brat hookers, would fail miserably.

That reality demonstrates exactly what I have been discussing in my posts, the differences between how our hookers are socialized to begin with, compared to our girls in Monterrey, who are literal angels sent from God in comparison.


On the other hand, if Pay for Play is all that is sought, we have some crack *****s here in the Midwest that will accomodate for $40US. That illustrates the distinction quite well. It illustrates and defines why I believe the psychology and sociology are important, and it's the reason I make the effort.

The resulting sessions are so much more satisfying than what can be obtained where I live that the effort at understanding them, and at turning them into amigas, is well worth it. But, compared to the US, making absolutely NO effort at understanding the details in Monterrey will yield an experience that is so far superior to the US that you will literally not believe it.

[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Dang guys. I feel like I'm in some sort of philosophical discussion regarding pu$$y for sale. It is interesting to see the monger's mind and motive evolve as time goes by.

Sorry,

I haven't posted in a bit, but my last experience in MTY before leaving was with a Romano MP girl named Yvonne. This girl had a killer body and was friendly enough but didn't quite have the charimsa of my Infinito girl. I'll be back in a couple of weeks and am looking forward to LEARNING.

BTW, in regards to tipping in the SC, had I known that I shouldn't have, then I certainly wouldn't have. But you guys beat up on me pretty good on that one. But rest assured, the locals game of "grab-ass" is safe whenever I am around.

Sean[/QUOTE]

Uno,

I would have to agree with everything that you said. I am in a similar situation living in the Southeast. My selection is severly limited and LEO has a true "hard-on" for making a mongerer's life difficult here. I thoroughly enjoyed my two encounters in MTY last week and would have to concur that even as a first-timer with them, the sessions far exceeded over 90% of my dates in the U.S. so far. I look forward to several more in the coming weeks and hope that I too can spit my Sean Juan at a chica or two and make her my amiga. I tip my cap to you and think that is truly the epitome of a GFE.

Greetings to all. First of all, congratulations for putting so much effort into answering doubts and guiding us beginners down the Monterrey scene.

I'd like to know if any of you have experience with any 'private' or self-employed girls. Going to El Norte's newspaper classifieds-adult section, you'll find some of them.

I'm visiting Monterrey tomorrow and not sure if I should try a MP, SC, or an escort.

Later,

MH

That would not be El Norte.
Try El Sol afternoon paper. That one has everything on it.
from MP's to escorts and outcalls starting at all prices.
Though I can not vouch for these services.... just MP's and SCs.



[QUOTE=More Human]Greetings to all. First of all, congratulations for putting so much effort into answering doubts and guiding us beginners down the Monterrey scene.

I'd like to know if any of you have experience with any 'private' or self-employed girls. Going to El Norte's newspaper classifieds-adult section, you'll find some of them.

I'm visiting Monterrey tomorrow and not sure if I should try a MP, SC, or an escort.

Later,

MH[/QUOTE]

Amigo,

I'm aware. El Norte just has them online ([url]http://avisos.elnorte.com/avisosp.asp?tipo=MASAJES%20ADULTOS[/url])

I'm talking escorts like [url]www.regioscorts.com[/url] or [url]www.adictaati.com[/url].

Later,

MH

We are all virtually clueless, even Carlos, about the potential positive prospects of the escort services in Monterrey. I have almost never seen anything posted on it. So, if you have some experience at it when you visit, please post your results.

I never really liked the idea of using them because of the potential that you can't really gauge the selection prior to having them come over. It is generally hit and miss with that kind of scenario. In the USA, they are costing at least $300 an hour, and that's for one of questionable quality of selection compared to many seemingly superior options we routinely find in Monterrey.

It would be interesting to know the going rates, and to also know the going rate if you're an eventual regular client. Some of us have practiced a similar scenario with the SC girls, and we get some good deals. But, it may even be a potentially better prospect working the escort girls. It would be interesting to hear your results.

I got some input in the escort services, prices range from 300 pesos with heavy and over 30 year old girls, to 2500 pesos in regioscorts,bomboncitas regias and misses, of course you are going to find a Gem once in 20.

I really like the SC and MP where if you don't like what you see you go somewhere else, if you are going to call an escort be sure to ask what is the charge if you do not like her, it is usually 150 pesos for the Taxi and make it clear. Things can get ugly if you are by your self.

Of course there are some good deals but you may need to look in to the right direction. I use escorts all the time but It is hit and miss and do not go for the pictures in the web, as a friend told me once, the pictures are touch up or are from a 40 year old woman take it 20 years ago.

I hope you enjoy your adventure, and take Amigo Mio advice, nobody in this forum knows the Monterrey scene like him.

Happy mongering

SugarDaddy

Sugardaddy speaks the truth here MH.

Add to his input the fact that you might be paying 250 dlls for an amateur and another thing that aplies both at the US and here.
A girl or an escort service might say that the time is one hour (or an hour and a half) but time is up the moment a "pop" comes around.

It is a flip of a coin, cause I have read here and at other forums mongers getting acceptable service.... but would be like one in many.



[QUOTE=Sugardaddy 1718]I got some input in the escort services, prices range from 300 pesos with heavy and over 30 year old girls, to 2500 pesos in regioscorts,bomboncitas regias and misses, of course you are going to find a Gem once in 20.

I really like the SC and MP where if you don't like what you see you go somewhere else, if you are going to call an escort be sure to ask what is the charge if you do not like her, it is usually 150 pesos for the Taxi and make it clear. Things can get ugly if you are by your self.

Of course there are some good deals but you may need to look in to the right direction. I use escorts all the time but It is hit and miss and do not go for the pictures in the web, as a friend told me once, the pictures are touch up or are from a 40 year old woman take it 20 years ago.

I hope you enjoy your adventure, and take Amigo Mio advice, nobody in this forum knows the Monterrey scene like him.

Happy mongering

SugarDaddy[/QUOTE]

MH...

Add these to your list:

[url]http://www.escortsmonterrey.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/home.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.passion.com.mx/PassionUSA.html[/url]
[url]http://sxclubmonterrey.com/Sitio%20web%203/SERVICIOS%20A%20DOMICILIO.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.lindas.com.mx/index.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.lucesazules.com/601.html[/url]


[QUOTE=More Human]Amigo,

I'm aware. El Norte just has them online ([url]http://avisos.elnorte.com/avisosp.asp?tipo=MASAJES%20ADULTOS[/url])

I'm talking escorts like [url]www.regioscorts.com[/url] or [url]www.adictaati.com[/url].

Later,

MH[/QUOTE]

interesting points of view, very logical. thanks for all the input. i think i'll stick to high end mps, but if i ever decide to try one of these out i'll definetly post my experience.

thanks again and godspeed.

Ok guys... check this out.
It's Plata
She comes highly recomended:

[url]http://www.platasxy.com/galeria.html[/url]

email: [email]allexstar@hotmail.com[/email]


[QUOTE=More Human]Greetings to all. First of all, congratulations for putting so much effort into answering doubts and guiding us beginners down the Monterrey scene.

I'd like to know if any of you have experience with any 'private' or self-employed girls. Going to El Norte's newspaper classifieds-adult section, you'll find some of them.

I'm visiting Monterrey tomorrow and not sure if I should try a MP, SC, or an escort.

Later,

MH[/QUOTE]

This girl is hard to get a hold of her, but if you do you will get a service to remember, she is young (legal of course) and a ninfo, good luck in finding her.

The best time to call her is in the morning @ 10:00 or 11:00. and the pictures of her site are real, this is what I ment to be taken in the right direction.

Sugar Daddy

Just for the record, of course Plata is "legal"... anything mentioned here by me or any of the mongers is of legal age.



[QUOTE=Sugardaddy 1718]This girl is hard to get a hold of her, but if you do you will get a service to remember, she is young (legal of course) and a ninfo, good luck in finding her.

The best time to call her is in the morning @ 10:00 or 11:00. and the pictures of her site are real, this is what I ment to be taken in the right direction.

Sugar Daddy[/QUOTE]

[quote=amigomio]just for the record, of course plata is "legal"... anything mentioned here by me or any of the mongers is of legal age.[/quote]yes, i know.

only that when i said is young i just want to make clear that is not ****, i tried to do the same as you but i think i was missunderstood

my bad

sugar daddy

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Ok guys... check this out.
It's Plata
She comes highly recomended:

[url]http://www.platasxy.com/galeria.html[/url]

email: [email]allexstar@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]


Plata... that girl is Argentinian?

Supposedly.

I only know she comes highly recomended.

But I have talked with her on the phone and I didn't hear an Argentinian accent.


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Plata... that girl is Argentinian?[/QUOTE]

I found some "generic?" Viagra called Maxifort "Zimax," and it comes in 50mg tablets when I was in Monterrey last time. When I asked for Viagra, the clerk told me they did not carry Viagra, but that this generic was now available. I found these at the Pharmacy directly across from Hotel Plaza Del Arco.

When I checked the label just to double check what I was supposedly buying, I saw the Sildenafil chemical designation. They're huge. They look kind of like Cialis in the larger dose, same color, etc...but, on the package, it says that it is Sildenafil, which is the same compound found in Viagra. I purchased one bottle of four tablets. The cost is quite reasonable too, only 180 pesos for four tablets, 45 pesos per tablet, $4.21US each. I have yet to try them out. Anybody had any experience with these?

Recently, I was given advice to purchase the 50Mg version of Viagra and to only take portions of it, cut it in half, or fourths, and that it would reduce the customary headache and sinus blockage that's so common even when cutting the 100Mg tablets into halves and fourths. I must say that after trying that tactic, cutting the 50Mg tablets, the symptoms are significantly reduced, even the heartburn that can sometimes accompany taking Viagra. I can now take the 50Mg cut version, usually in halves, and I feel almost no negative side effects, and the results are seemingly unchanged with respect to their effectiveness.

I wonder specifically, with respect to this new Zimax product, if you can cut them in half or fourths like I do Viagra, and if they will still work as well? Anybody have any experience taking these things before I become a human guinea pig?

What's up fellas?

Well I'm back in town for the week. Got in late tonight and took a ride out to Signore's. I was disappointed with the selection (granted it is Sunday night and I showed up around 9:30pm). Only two girls working and the one that was available wasn't really my type. But what is a guy to do when he needs some relief? Oh well, the price was right and I got relief, so I can't complain. But I'm definitely eyeing the report on Plata and will do my best to get in touch with her before I leave on Friday. Some of the local taxi drivers that I have been using have recommended Amnesia and Obsession. How does the takeout scene at those places compare to Infinitos? And don't worry, this time I will NOT be tipping the dancers! : o)

Sean

Ok after checking out Plata's site, I decided to give her a call. Some dude answered (which I hate), and he told me that she is out of town until tomorrow. However, I made a date to see her and one of her amigas (Salma) tomorrow night. The dude said that he would call me tomorrow to make the arrangements and that he would bring the girls to me. I don't want to bring them to the hotel where I am staying for business, so should I just go to a notel and have him bring them there, or is there a better option? I'm a little hesitant to go through with it all with this guy (Alex) being in the picture, but if Plata is the tigress that you guys say she is, I don't want to miss out on her. BTW, I saw pictures of her (and Salma) on the Marcella website. Does anyone know if she still works there or if she is concentrating on the escort biz now? Assuming that I go through with it, I promise to give a full report on the session.

Any advice on how to protect myself in this scenario?

Many thanks,

Sean

Yeah right... Amnesia and Obsession.
Sure thing!!!

Taxi drivers will only talk about and take you to the clubs that give kickbacks to them... stupidly expensive clubs where you'll spend all you weeks money in one take.
Yes, Amensia and Obsession are 5 star clubs.
(Believe it or not, Infinito could qualify as a 2.5 star club compared to the latter)

Yes, I recomend Obsession, but ONLY in the afternoon shift and with care.

Yes, they might have a slection of very intersting girls, the only thing there is no takeout, period.
None.

Having sex at one of these places and only in-call in the clubs might put you anywhere around the 3000 -4000 pesos range.

5 star clubs in Monterrey are: Amensia, Obsession, Premiere, Colorados and Prestige.

4. 5 star clubs: Venus Palace

4 star clubs: Poisson, Neferttiti

3 star and onwards... just point to any club on Madero Ave.


[QUOTE=Sean Juan]What's up fellas?

Well I'm back in town for the week. Got in late tonight and took a ride out to Signore's. I was disappointed with the selection (granted it is Sunday night and I showed up around 9:30pm). Only two girls working and the one that was available wasn't really my type. But what is a guy to do when he needs some relief? Oh well, the price was right and I got relief, so I can't complain. But I'm definitely eyeing the report on Plata and will do my best to get in touch with her before I leave on Friday. Some of the local taxi drivers that I have been using have recommended Amnesia and Obsession. How does the takeout scene at those places compare to Infinitos? And don't worry, this time I will NOT be tipping the dancers! : o)

Sean[/QUOTE]

Just trying to figure out which SC to patron next since it seems like you guys have a monopoly on all of the Infinito girls. As for today, I am awaiting my call from Alex (around 7pm) for my "date" with Plata and Salma. Under normal circumstances I would be pumped up to be hooking up with 2 girls of their caliber. It's the Alex factor that has me a bit skiddish. But I've decided to go through with it anyway. I just don't want to bring them here to my "work" hotel. What is a decent hotel not too far from the airport area that wouldn't cost too much for an hour rendezvous?

Close to the airport... only the Seara, on the same airport road, the Miguel Aleman road, down towards Monterrey

SEARA

Parte trasera del hotel (Back part of the hotel)

Servicios:
- Vigilancia
- Absoluta discreción
- Aire acondicionado
- Room service
- Habitaciones Sencillas, Dobles Suite con Jacuzzy
- Suite con Suna y Jacuzzy

Precios: Desde $330 pesos

Direc: Carr. Miguel Alemán No. 1864 San Nicolás de los Garza N.L.

Teléfono: 8321-7700




[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Just trying to figure out which SC to patron next since it seems like you guys have a monopoly on all of the Infinito girls. As for today, I am awaiting my call from Alex (around 7pm) for my "date" with Plata and Salma. Under normal circumstances I would be pumped up to be hooking up with 2 girls of their caliber. It's the Alex factor that has me a bit skiddish. But I've decided to go through with it anyway. I just don't want to bring them here to my "work" hotel. What is a decent hotel not too far from the airport area that wouldn't cost too much for an hour rendezvous?[/QUOTE]

Who says we have the monopply on all the Infinito girls!?!?!?!

There are many and new faces around.... enough for everyone.



[QUOTE=Sean Juan]Just trying to figure out which SC to patron next since it seems like you guys have a monopoly on all of the Infinito girls. As for today, I am awaiting my call from Alex (around 7pm) for my "date" with Plata and Salma. Under normal circumstances I would be pumped up to be hooking up with 2 girls of their caliber. It's the Alex factor that has me a bit skiddish. But I've decided to go through with it anyway. I just don't want to bring them here to my "work" hotel. What is a decent hotel not too far from the airport area that wouldn't cost too much for an hour rendezvous?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Who says we have the monopply on all the Infinito girls!?!?!?!

There are many and new faces around.... enough for everyone.[/QUOTE]I just want to say that I was only joking regarding the "monopoly" comment. I didn't mean to offend you, so I hope that you weren't. I wrote that after reading countless reports (mainly UnoSpongeBob's) regarding his intriguing relationships with his "amigas". BTW, as an aside, I want to compliment Uno on his eloquently written reports and find them to be fascinating reads. So, anyway, I want to reiterate that no offense was intended, and I apologize if that rubbed you the wrong way. The truth is that without you guys, I'd be hopelessly lost in this denizen of debauchery known as Monterrey. I can't thank you enough.

Moving on...........

As promised, I stated that if I went through with the Plata rendezvous, that I would post a report here. And since I did, I am keeping my promise.

Ok, I was in contact with her handler "Alex" beginning @ 7pm last night. They were returning from Mazatlan and were scheduled to arrive in Monterrey around 11pm. He was unable to get in touch with Salma, so I agreed to a one-on-one with Plata. 11pm turned to 11:30, then midnight, then 12:30 (he was calling me about every 30 minutes with an update, and with each call he was going to be at my hotel in 30 minutes). Finally, when he called me at 1am to say that he would be at my hotel in 30 minutes with Plata, I told him that if he wasn't sure he could make it, then we could reschedule since I had to work in the morning. He assured me that they would be here @ 1:30am, so I told him to come on.

They did in fact arrive at the specified time. I was a bit disappointed with Plata's facial features and would never have chosen her based solely on appearance if we simply had a chance encounter or if she was "working" in a SC, MP, etc. I will say that she has a spinner's body that is quite alluring with very attractive perky little tits, but as a matter of personal taste, I typically prefer girls who are a bit more shapely. All that being said, I overlooked all of her perceived flaws (in my mind of course) due to the fact that she came so highly recommended.

What a mistake. The first thing she tried to do upon entering my room was upsell me to 2000 pesos instead of the published price of 1500 on her webpage stating that due to the time of day the price was different. I explained to her that the time of day issue was no fault of mine and that I only had the 1500 that I was originally quoted. She agreed to the price and to her credit agreed that the delay was not my fault. This girl is WAY too young (not to say illegal), and she was clearly immature and incapable of holding a conversation.

I will spare everyone the details of our encounter, but suffice it to say that her skills as a lover are severely lacking. Maybe she was tired after travelling all day, I don't know. But in her biz, she wasn't doing herself any favors to establish a potential repeat customer. The only thing she did well was kiss (which I didn't initiate and was quite surprised by). In all of my mongering encounters (probably around 50 in total), she was by a mile the worst I've ever had. Maybe I got the misfortune of her worst performance ever, and I definitely did not get a vibe from her that she is a nympho. I won't tell anyone not to see her, but I want to stress that YMMV with her. The last thing I will say about this encounter is that she couldn't even make me cum, and I was horny as hell all day anticipating the encounter.

Now, on a brighter note, I made tremendous inroads with a potential "amiga" of my own tonight. It was one of those deals where she didn't want to leave. And as a bonus, she has invited me to dinner tomorrow night on HER dime. It remains to be seen if I actually let her pay for my dinner, but the seed has been planted, and I believe there to be tremendous potential with her.

Sorry if this post was too long of a read, but I had alot to report on. Thanks again guys for making this the best information sharing site I've ever participated in.

~Sean

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Hola Sean,

You are apparently one that "gets it" with respect to the quality of the "experience," something that I preach here, sometimes to my utter and complete detriment, and misunderstanding by some. I speak regularly about turning my girls into real friends, into girls that see me as something other than just a paycheck. I work hard at that, and it's a lot of work. But, it pays huge dividends.

None the less, quality of experience is everything, and just because these girls advertise themselves as the "end all," we soon learn that when we actually find one that delivers "something more," it's almost like a epiphany, a supernatural intervention. It really is such a pleasant surprise compared to the typical hooker kind of encounter. The chemistry is what makes the difference, and that is when we are truly getting satisfied beyond our wildest dreams.

It has really very little to do with looks, etc...but, more to do with THEIR own depraved desire for us, THEIR attitude that money is not the only reason they're there, and that they are actually enjoying us as much as we are enjoying them (ie: your new amiga's dinner "date").

One thing I have learned is that when it turns from a mongering experience to a "real" kind of relationship, with sexual privileges, there simply is no comparison. They may start out being hookers, but hookers have feelings too, and one thing I've learned is that if a hooker has feelings for you, there is almost no girl more qualified to deliver the goods than one that knows how to deliver the goods, and wants to deliver them because she wants to deliver them out of attachment, with money being the secondary or even an absent consideration. Most hookers understand the needs of men, whereas good girls are sometimes obliviously stupid, inexperienced, or both. Once a hooker is motivated to open up, to drop her natural defenses, the sky is the limit.

With respect to a monopoly on girls at Infinito, I realize you were just joking, and so does Carlos. We just don't want to see anyone discouraged by our referring to our girlfriends, or to our references about El Infinito so often in our posts, so we feel compelled to make sure everyone understands there is plenty to go around there. But, more importantly...

El Infinito has been a fertile hunting ground for us in the past. But, most of us, even WastedG, with all his options at El Infinito, have only one girl there. It is simply expeditious to patronize only one or two in the same bar. It is strategically more productive. Actually, even WastedG has become more like me lately than not, opting for a few girls, perhaps even only one or two at most from El Infinito lately. I believe he is in transition, and that he begins to develop an accute sense for what can be, where less is actually more. Plus, eventually, you learn that the experience with "less" is sometimes "more" when the "more" doesn't hold a candle to the "less." Why waste time and money when less is more.

But, for example, in my own case, I have probably only one girl at El Infinito that is worth a damn, truly. And, it has nothing to do with whether she is actually worth a damn in the strictest sense as a hooker. She transcends that label when she is with me. It is more a matter of our "closeness" that dictates her "performance," if you can even call it that now at this juncture.

But, within El Infinito, I actually have sampled probably 3 to 4 other girls in the last few months. But, simply put, they have all been disappointments, while during the same period, I bar fined two other girls from other clubs in town, and their performances were outstanding. So, I believe it all comes back to knowing one's self, understanding what you like, understanding perhaps more about yourself, and learning how to find what is best for you. That is the huge task at hand.

Visually, when you walk into El Infinito, you have this sense that you are in Mecca. Large numbers of hot girls walking around. But, visual enticements DO NOT always mean satsifaction. So, while El Infinito may seem to be a wealth of availability, the quality of selection there is, ultimately, when considering the quality of experience, not any better than any of the other clubs in town with respect to your own potential for satisfaction. And, there are so many other clubs in town that you simply would not believe it, not to mention massage parlors.

Carlos recently mentioned to me that he had begun a canvassing of the massage parlors in Monterrey. He told me that when he began the quest, he soon realized that he was almost biting off more than he could chew. Canvassing the shear numbers of massages parlors is a daunting task, keeping in mind that these statments are coming from a man that lives there, knows that city, has numerous contacts, etc...

As he painstakingly began the task, he revealed to me that he became ultimately mortified by the immensity of the task before him. If I am not mistaken, he eventually gave up on canvassing them, realizing that was simply humanly impossible to do so. There is just as daunting a task with respect to strip clubs in town.

So, the field is wide open. There are so many options. My advice would be not to concentrate on any one bar, but to open up your horizons with respect to what might be available in the totality of Monterrey, and to work upon your ability to discern the best quality for you. That is the true task at hand. Not to rely on their bate and switch advertisements, or trip reports, or looks alone, or on the recommendations of friends, etc...Literally, when I am in Monterrey, I flit from club to club, scoping out the options. It is not uncommon for me to be in eight clubs a night, this prior to my taking up with my novia. Even now, when my novia is working, I regularly visit probably at least 5 clubs a night. When I first started out, it was closer to eight or nine clubs a night, and revisits of each at different times in order to assess the totality of what is available as the shifts change.

I've found that relying on anything but personal interaction with them, and your own ability to discern their potential by talking with them, and sensing their potential, has little value. That's why I like the strip clubs, but I assume the massage parlors can have the same kind of result. I once made a date with a massage parlor girl, took her to dinner, and got to know her better. It did not really work out with her, but they'll meet you outside so you can cultivate something with them. My massage parlor girl met me at my hotel, we went to Chilis, talked, got to know each other, and then went our separate ways. In that instance, she was not what I was looking for, but the point is, she showed up, she enjoyed the evening, and she could just have easily been pretty good. Your comment that "YMMV" is profound, even with my best girlfriend. Because, remember, even with my best girlfriend, I did not even notice her after our first encounter, and I literally ignored her for a year before getting back together with her. Were it not for her pursuit of me, literally, I would not have seen her again. But, conversely, she is as close to me now as a real girlfriend could ever be.

Nice report. The content of your report is most appreciated with respect to the warnings associated with a poor experience, and especially from girls that represent themselves in advertising that they are nymphos, GFEs, etc...Let us know how your time went with your new amiga.



[QUOTE=Sean Juan]I just want to say that I was only joking regarding the "monopoly" comment. I didn't mean to offend you, so I hope that you weren't. I wrote that after reading countless reports (mainly UnoSpongeBob's) regarding his intriguing relationships with his "amigas". BTW, as an aside, I want to compliment Uno on his eloquently written reports and find them to be fascinating reads. So, anyway, I want to reiterate that no offense was intended, and I apologize if that rubbed you the wrong way. The truth is that without you guys, I'd be hopelessly lost in this denizen of debauchery known as Monterrey. I can't thank you enough.

Moving on...........

As promised, I stated that if I went through with the Plata rendezvous, that I would post a report here. And since I did, I am keeping my promise.

Ok, I was in contact with her handler "Alex" beginning @ 7pm last night. They were returning from Mazatlan and were scheduled to arrive in Monterrey around 11pm. He was unable to get in touch with Salma, so I agreed to a one-on-one with Plata. 11pm turned to 11:30, then midnight, then 12:30 (he was calling me about every 30 minutes with an update, and with each call he was going to be at my hotel in 30 minutes). Finally, when he called me at 1am to say that he would be at my hotel in 30 minutes with Plata, I told him that if he wasn't sure he could make it, then we could reschedule since I had to work in the morning. He assured me that they would be here @ 1:30am, so I told him to come on.

They did in fact arrive at the specified time. I was a bit disappointed with Plata's facial features and would never have chosen her based solely on appearance if we simply had a chance encounter or if she was "working" in a SC, MP, etc. I will say that she has a spinner's body that is quite alluring with very attractive perky little tits, but as a matter of personal taste, I typically prefer girls who are a bit more shapely. All that being said, I overlooked all of her perceived flaws (in my mind of course) due to the fact that she came so highly recommended.

What a mistake. The first thing she tried to do upon entering my room was upsell me to 2000 pesos instead of the published price of 1500 on her webpage stating that due to the time of day the price was different. I explained to her that the time of day issue was no fault of mine and that I only had the 1500 that I was originally quoted. She agreed to the price and to her credit agreed that the delay was not my fault. This girl is WAY too young (not to say illegal), and she was clearly immature and incapable of holding a conversation.

I will spare everyone the details of our encounter, but suffice it to say that her skills as a lover are severely lacking. Maybe she was tired after travelling all day, I don't know. But in her biz, she wasn't doing herself any favors to establish a potential repeat customer. The only thing she did well was kiss (which I didn't initiate and was quite surprised by). In all of my mongering encounters (probably around 50 in total), she was by a mile the worst I've ever had. Maybe I got the misfortune of her worst performance ever, and I definitely did not get a vibe from her that she is a nympho. I won't tell anyone not to see her, but I want to stress that YMMV with her. The last thing I will say about this encounter is that she couldn't even make me cum, and I was horny as hell all day anticipating the encounter.

Now, on a brighter note, I made tremendous inroads with a potential "amiga" of my own tonight. It was one of those deals where she didn't want to leave. And as a bonus, she has invited me to dinner tomorrow night on HER dime. It remains to be seen if I actually let her pay for my dinner, but the seed has been planted, and I believe there to be tremendous potential with her.

Sorry if this post was too long of a read, but I had alot to report on. Thanks again guys for making this the best information sharing site I've ever participated in.

~Sean

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Sean:

I never call an escort girl in Monterrey that late, of course they will come but after being working or traveling all day they are probably tired, as I said I recomend to call an escort in the morning between 10 and 11, this applies to the MP also, I had the best services when the girls are just starting to work.

Sugardaddy

Damn... am sorry about Plata, but my local friends do recomend her.
Must have been the travel ordeal... dunno.

But one thing I must have to make clear it's that she is of legal age.



[QUOTE=Sean Juan]I just want to say that I was only joking regarding the "monopoly" comment. I didn't mean to offend you, so I hope that you weren't. I wrote that after reading countless reports (mainly UnoSpongeBob's) regarding his intriguing relationships with his "amigas". BTW, as an aside, I want to compliment Uno on his eloquently written reports and find them to be fascinating reads. So, anyway, I want to reiterate that no offense was intended, and I apologize if that rubbed you the wrong way. The truth is that without you guys, I'd be hopelessly lost in this denizen of debauchery known as Monterrey. I can't thank you enough.

Moving on...........

As promised, I stated that if I went through with the Plata rendezvous, that I would post a report here. And since I did, I am keeping my promise.

Ok, I was in contact with her handler "Alex" beginning @ 7pm last night. They were returning from Mazatlan and were scheduled to arrive in Monterrey around 11pm. He was unable to get in touch with Salma, so I agreed to a one-on-one with Plata. 11pm turned to 11:30, then midnight, then 12:30 (he was calling me about every 30 minutes with an update, and with each call he was going to be at my hotel in 30 minutes). Finally, when he called me at 1am to say that he would be at my hotel in 30 minutes with Plata, I told him that if he wasn't sure he could make it, then we could reschedule since I had to work in the morning. He assured me that they would be here @ 1:30am, so I told him to come on.

They did in fact arrive at the specified time. I was a bit disappointed with Plata's facial features and would never have chosen her based solely on appearance if we simply had a chance encounter or if she was "working" in a SC, MP, etc. I will say that she has a spinner's body that is quite alluring with very attractive perky little tits, but as a matter of personal taste, I typically prefer girls who are a bit more shapely. All that being said, I overlooked all of her perceived flaws (in my mind of course) due to the fact that she came so highly recommended.

What a mistake. The first thing she tried to do upon entering my room was upsell me to 2000 pesos instead of the published price of 1500 on her webpage stating that due to the time of day the price was different. I explained to her that the time of day issue was no fault of mine and that I only had the 1500 that I was originally quoted. She agreed to the price and to her credit agreed that the delay was not my fault. This girl is WAY too young (not to say illegal), and she was clearly immature and incapable of holding a conversation.

I will spare everyone the details of our encounter, but suffice it to say that her skills as a lover are severely lacking. Maybe she was tired after travelling all day, I don't know. But in her biz, she wasn't doing herself any favors to establish a potential repeat customer. The only thing she did well was kiss (which I didn't initiate and was quite surprised by). In all of my mongering encounters (probably around 50 in total), she was by a mile the worst I've ever had. Maybe I got the misfortune of her worst performance ever, and I definitely did not get a vibe from her that she is a nympho. I won't tell anyone not to see her, but I want to stress that YMMV with her. The last thing I will say about this encounter is that she couldn't even make me cum, and I was horny as hell all day anticipating the encounter.

Now, on a brighter note, I made tremendous inroads with a potential "amiga" of my own tonight. It was one of those deals where she didn't want to leave. And as a bonus, she has invited me to dinner tomorrow night on HER dime. It remains to be seen if I actually let her pay for my dinner, but the seed has been planted, and I believe there to be tremendous potential with her.

Sorry if this post was too long of a read, but I had alot to report on. Thanks again guys for making this the best information sharing site I've ever participated in.

~Sean

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Que? I do not ...

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
El Infinito has been a fertile hunting ground for us in the past. But, most of us, even WastedG, with all his options at El Infinito, have only one girl there. It is simply expeditious to patronize only one or two in the same bar. It is strategically more productive. Actually, even WastedG has become more like me lately than not, opting for a few girls, perhaps even only one or two at most from El Infinito lately. I believe he is in transition, and that he begins to develop an accute sense for what can be, where less is actually more. Plus, eventually, you learn that the experience with "less" is sometimes "more" when the "more" doesn't hold a candle to the "less." Why waste time and money when less is more.
[/QUOTE]

AmigoMio,

Don't worry at all regarding my experience with Plata. I don't even blame Plata for my dissatisfaction. There is no blame here other than simply an incompatibility between two people. In my personal case, a very important aspect for me is that I can engage in a conversation with someone and mesh personalities. Obviously the sexual experience is also important but is secondary to the intellectual and personal connection. With that being said what is done is done, and there is no use dwelling on the aspects of mongering that don't always transpire the way that we want. In the totality of things, it was a small price to pay to recognize my own wants and needs.

Uno,

As I stated before, I appreciate your candor and insight regarding the Monterrey scene. Clearly our searches for pleasure are similarly aligned. I do indeed "get it". However, that is not to say that our way of doing things is what everyone seeks. For instance, my friends back home could care less about intimacy or establishing a repoir with a girl to transcend the hooker-john relationship. Their only goal is to find someone who can drain their balls. I'm sure that many others and probably even the majority of mongerers have the same goal. Understandably, as you mentioned in your last post, there is a significant investment of time, money, and one's self to supersede the hooker hustle and attain a mutually inclusive, reciprocal personal attachment with a sex provider. And the reality is that most men simply don't want to make that investment and would prefer to bed as many different women as possible. So all I can say is "to each his own" and best wishes in the quest for personal satisfaction. I hope to have the opportunity to meet up with you guys at some point in the future to thank you all personally and possibly do some club-hopping. Of course I understand that alot of mongerers prefer to fly solo(as I do most of the time), and that is ok. But if the opportunity ever presents itself then I would certainly be willing to hang out sometime.

Now, the principal reason that this report is delayed is that I have been spending all of my free time with my new amiga. My only limitation is that she of course speaks no English, and my Spanish while it is ok is far from being comprehensive. As a result, there are topic matters that I simply have not been able to broach due to my inability to communicate all of my thoughts effectively. But we get through the awkwardness of my terrible grammar and for the most part she understands me. Occassionally, I have to move on to other topics simply because I cannot find the words. But for me personally, this girl is a gem and a true "keeper". We are very compatible in every way and as a lover she pleases me to no end. The same holds true for her as it is very easy for me to ascertain when someone is genuinely satisfied versus someone who is just going through the motions. Of course spending time with her, enjoying activities together apart from just sex, and knowing that she truly wants to be with me is of paramount importance and truly accentuates the experience. My only regret is that I return to the U.S. tomorrow evening and am unsure at this moment when I will have the opportunity to return. That is the downside to creating a personal connection with someone as opposed to the "hit it and quit it" technique. But my work here is complete (in regards to my job that is), so I have the day free before my flight leaves and will spend the day with her prior to my departure. So I intend to relish that time and further elevate our connection in the hopes that I will not be so easily forgotten. I am sure that I will not, but it never hurts to have that affirmation.

So I bid farewell to Monterrey for now, wish all of my fellow mongerers the best in their own personal quests, and will anxiously await my return in the not too distant future.

Sean

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[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Que? I do not ...[/QUOTE]

Uhmmm, A man of few words...

I'll make up for that...

You certainly DID NOT in the past, but you DO NOW!!! :-))) I observed your mating habits recently, and I think I see a most definite pattern developing in you to choose to patronize a "sure thing," versus a random selection of "untested" and "unknown" new potential.

You are not quite to my level, but you are, IMHO, on your way. Mark my words...

Our circumstances are different than most here on the board that do not frequent Monterrey like we do. As a frequent and an experienced visitor, my experience is that for the time we have to spend, the risk we take by wasting our time on new girls, on a whim, like we both have before, myself included several years ago, and even now to some foolish extent, all for the prospect that they will be as good as our regular "sure things," just isn't worth our wasting our time. Time is precious because we have little of it there, and little time for errors in judgement. Because, more often than not, when we select newbies, we are disappointed by them in comparison to our favoritas statistically.

I don't mean that we never test our wings...but, we are much more discerning about being such butterflies as before, and with good reason. We have our best performers already identified, and we have little time to experiment at the risk of disappointment.

For example, Sean's girl came highly recommended, but for him, the experience was bad. My point is, she comes highly recommended, and she is probably good with some. Her reputation preceeds her, and guys have obviously been singing her praises. But, my theory about chemistry, as it relates to GFE, or even as it relates purely to sexual performance, is well illustrated here.

The chemistry was not there for them, no matter how highly recommended she came. When he finds one where the chemistry clicks, for him, his choice at that time will be a good performer, then and probably in the future, just as our choices in our favoritas yields good times for us. But, always, YMMV in all cases. What is a good performer for some will be mediocre for others. So, that's why, when I find ones I like, I stick with them, choosing not to waste my time. Because, literally, statistically, the poor performers out-weigh the GFE by a huge margin. I would literally rather have 3 regulars than to have 10 where three of them are good, and the other 7 are mediocre. Because, literally, if you choose to patronize the other 7, you are going to always regret being with them versus their superiors. I just cut out all the BS and stick with the sure things.

I just find the hunt less productive lately with the time I have to spend. So, I opt for the sure thing. I am much more satisfied. I spend less, or comparatively "NO" money, and I get a total GFE.

The time element is huge. For example, on one of my recent trips, I took a new girl from a different club, and she was ok...just ok. She was not anything like I regularly experience. I took another from El Infinito, from the late shift. She promised to be good, all the signs were there, but she was a complete and utter disappointment...well, not entirely, at least she kissed me like she was totally in love with me, and she liked hugs, but she was otherwise like a porcupine. She was so sensitive, that I could barely touch her. Frankly, the only thing I could do with her was to kiss her, hug her, and have mechanical sex with her, nothing else, no other kinds of foreplay or activites that make the experience better than what you might "feel" were you to fuck her in an alley. She was terrible in bed, but her personality was excellent. I really like her, as a person, as a person to play off of. But, she was a total and complete disappointment. I will never again patronize her. She reminded me of the "Y" girl at El Infinito, except much less spacey, and considerably more personality...but, unfortunately, terrible none the less.

When I took the one new girl out, the first one, Carlos warned me I was making a hasty decision, that I had not given it enough time to get to know her, to develop her. And, he indicated that she was an "experienced," and perhaps "hardened" provider. But, literally, I just don't have the time to discern their potential. I am a very demanding monger. I know it, and when I find those that satisfy my desires, such as in the case with my best girls, and if I am thinking clearly, I do not stray from them for the reasons articulated above. Of course, sometimes I foolishly stray...when that happens, statistically, I am very frequently disappointed in my selection...that is, in statistical comparison to my best girl(s).

Dealing with escorts is not an exact science.
It is worse than trial and error... more than one in a million shot.

But, there are mongers out there that prefer quick, quiet company for the evening.
Nothing else, nothing more.
Sean's case... I just think that he is not an escort man. Plata's instance is that he is also not a monger that like them young like Plata.


USB... ah! well, that is another story.

One of the things I've been telling our good friend USB is that the more he comes to Monterrey, the more confident he is of the local trade.
Yes, I told him repeatedly that he was making a BIG MISTAKE in taking out the girl he did.
Why? Cause just by eyeing her, I knew that she was a total fraud.

That gentlelmen, is experience. I don't need to sit with her or buy her drinks to know that she is a fraud.
This IS the part I don't get from USB. He is a hardened Monterrey veteran, confident of the local trade, BUT that self confidence has been his perdition.

He suddenly is now an open mark for the girls and the girls, being also experience in their trade, know it.
And I have tried again and again to convince USB that he is totally lost with his aproach with the girls.

I mean, the girls are pro's. They know their business and some of them are better phsycologists of the nature of man than one can think.

Wasted and I have the opposite aproach, different styles but the same.
We sourround ourselves with girls and then start cutting off the fat, the girls that are not any good.

Many have been a witness to this... Wasted gets like 3 or 5 at a time (due to his time limitations) at a club, I do the same, but one or 2 girls at 3 or 4 different clubs.
Then we aply the elimination process.
We don't let THEM eliminate us, we get rid of them.
We don't let them control us, we control them.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Uhmmm, A man of few words...

I'll make up for that...

You certainly DID NOT in the past, but you DO NOW!!! :-))) I observed your mating habits recently, and I think I see a most definite pattern developing in you to choose to patronize a "sure thing," versus a random selection of "untested" and "unknown" new potential.

You are not quite to my level, but you are, IMHO, on your way. Mark my words...

Our circumstances are different than most here on the board that do not frequent Monterrey like we do. As a frequent and an experienced visitor, my experience is that for the time we have to spend, the risk we take by wasting our time on new girls, on a whim, like we both have before, myself included several years ago, and even now to some foolish extent, all for the prospect that they will be as good as our regular "sure things," just isn't worth our wasting our time. Time is precious because we have little of it there, and little time for errors in judgement. Because, more often than not, when we select newbies, we are disappointed by them in comparison to our favoritas statistically.

I don't mean that we never test our wings...but, we are much more discerning about being such butterflies as before, and with good reason. We have our best performers already identified, and we have little time to experiment at the risk of disappointment.

For example, Sean's girl came highly recommended, but for him, the experience was bad. My point is, she comes highly recommended, and she is probably good with some. Her reputation preceeds her, and guys have obviously been singing her praises. But, my theory about chemistry, as it relates to GFE, or even as it relates purely to sexual performance, is well illustrated here.

The chemistry was not there for them, no matter how highly recommended she came. When he finds one where the chemistry clicks, for him, his choice at that time will be a good performer, then and probably in the future, just as our choices in our favoritas yields good times for us. But, always, YMMV in all cases. What is a good performer for some will be mediocre for others. So, that's why, when I find ones I like, I stick with them, choosing not to waste my time. Because, literally, statistically, the poor performers out-weigh the GFE by a huge margin. I would literally rather have 3 regulars than to have 10 where three of them are good, and the other 7 are mediocre. Because, literally, if you choose to patronize the other 7, you are going to always regret being with them versus their superiors. I just cut out all the BS and stick with the sure things.

I just find the hunt less productive lately with the time I have to spend. So, I opt for the sure thing. I am much more satisfied. I spend less, or comparatively "NO" money, and I get a total GFE.

The time element is huge. For example, on one of my recent trips, I took a new girl from a different club, and she was ok...just ok. She was not anything like I regularly experience. I took another from El Infinito, from the late shift. She promised to be good, all the signs were there, but she was a complete and utter disappointment...well, not entirely, at least she kissed me like she was totally in love with me, and she liked hugs, but she was otherwise like a porcupine. She was so sensitive, that I could barely touch her. Frankly, the only thing I could do with her was to kiss her, hug her, and have mechanical sex with her, nothing else, no other kinds of foreplay or activites that make the experience better than what you might "feel" were you to fuck her in an alley. She was terrible in bed, but her personality was excellent. I really like her, as a person, as a person to play off of. But, she was a total and complete disappointment. I will never again patronize her. She reminded me of the "Y" girl at El Infinito, except much less spacey, and considerably more personality...but, unfortunately, terrible none the less.

When I took the one new girl out, the first one, Carlos warned me I was making a hasty decision, that I had not given it enough time to get to know her, to develop her. And, he indicated that she was an "experienced," and perhaps "hardened" provider. But, literally, I just don't have the time to discern their potential. I am a very demanding monger. I know it, and when I find those that satisfy my desires, such as in the case with my best girls, and if I am thinking clearly, I do not stray from them for the reasons articulated above. Of course, sometimes I foolishly stray...when that happens, statistically, I am very frequently disappointed in my selection...that is, in statistical comparison to my best girl(s).[/QUOTE]

Carlos Says "This IS the part I don't get from USB. He is a hardened Monterrey veteran, confident of the local trade, BUT that self confidence has been his perdition. He suddenly is now an open mark for the girls and the girls, being also experience in their trade, know it. And I have tried again and again to convince USB that he is totally lost with his aproach with the girls. I mean, the girls are pro's. They know their business and some of them are better phsycologists of the nature of man than one can think."

But look, I tried to explain...it is a matter of my having a very short period of time in which to consumate the deal, make it back to the hotel, get into their heads, get it on, wind down, and then, if I am very lucky, I'll have enough time to actually get a few hours of sleep before I have to get up to take care of business issues, or do all of my errands around town. That is a very different thing than living in Monterrey, and having huge amounts of time to work the girls. So, sometimes, yes, I make snap judgements, quick decisions out of necessity. That is my downfall, not my confidence. My confidence is unparalleled in the industry.

I give the damn sharks their shot at landing a nice reliable, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent (the boyscout oath) regular paycheck, and many of them blow it. I don't care about blowing the money on them long enough to find out. Frankly, they are the losers. I give them every opportunity. If they blow it, they are out. I am not out anything, other than what was left of my time when I bar fined them at 1:30am. Besides, by the time I am finding some of these girls, it is either bar fine them or go home alone. What would you do? Well, I don't mean you, as in Carlos, I mean if you guys were in my shoes, and the money wasn't an issue. It is an investment that simply did not pay off BIG....I happens all the time. It did pay off, just not BIG.


[QUOTE=Amigomio]Dealing with escorts is not an exact science.
It is worse than trial and error... more than one in a million shot.

But, there are mongers out there that prefer quick, quiet company for the evening.
Nothing else, nothing more.
Sean's case... I just think that he is not an escort man. Plata's instance is that he is also not a monger that like them young like Plata.


USB... ah! well, that is another story.

One of the things I've been telling our good friend USB is that the more he comes to Monterrey, the more confident he is of the local trade.
Yes, I told him repeatedly that he was making a BIG MISTAKE in taking out the girl he did.
Why? Cause just by eyeing her, I knew that she was a total fraud.

That gentlelmen, is experience. I don't need to sit with her or buy her drinks to know that she is a fraud.
This IS the part I don't get from USB. He is a hardened Monterrey veteran, confident of the local trade, BUT that self confidence has been his perdition.

He suddenly is now an open mark for the girls and the girls, being also experience in their trade, know it.
And I have tried again and again to convince USB that he is totally lost with his aproach with the girls.

I mean, the girls are pro's. They know their business and some of them are better phsycologists of the nature of man than one can think.

Wasted and I have the opposite aproach, different styles but the same.
We sourround ourselves with girls and then start cutting off the fat, the girls that are not any good.

Many have been a witness to this... Wasted gets like 3 or 5 at a time (due to his time limitations) at a club, I do the same, but one or 2 girls at 3 or 4 different clubs.
Then we aply the elimination process.
We don't let THEM eliminate us, we get rid of them.
We don't let them control us, we control them.[/QUOTE]

This is the part you still don't get: "Frankly, they are the losers. I give them every opportunity. If they blow it, they are out. I am not out anything, other than what was left of my time when I bar fined them at 1:30am."

No, you see... there is point where the equation works the other way around. Seems your trying to understand their ways, is working against you.
You try to be relaxed, nice to them... those are weaknesses in their eyes.

To them, unless you imposse your self on them, you are the loser and just another customer to whom they don't need to gain any merit from.

"if they blow it"... they just don't care.
"they are out"... they were out of the door, before leaving with you.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos Says "This IS the part I don't get from USB. He is a hardened Monterrey veteran, confident of the local trade, BUT that self confidence has been his perdition. He suddenly is now an open mark for the girls and the girls, being also experience in their trade, know it. And I have tried again and again to convince USB that he is totally lost with his aproach with the girls. I mean, the girls are pro's. They know their business and some of them are better phsycologists of the nature of man than one can think."

But look, I tried to explain...it is a matter of my having a very short period of time in which to consumate the deal, make it back to the hotel, get into their heads, get it on, wind down, and then, if I am very lucky, I'll have enough time to actually get a few hours of sleep before I have to get up to take care of business issues, or do all of my errands around town. That is a very different thing than living in Monterrey, and having huge amounts of time to work the girls. So, sometimes, yes, I make snap judgements, quick decisions out of necessity. That is my downfall, not my confidence. My confidence is unparalleled in the industry.

I give the damn sharks their shot at landing a nice reliable, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent (the boyscout oath) regular paycheck, and many of them blow it. I don't care about blowing the money on them long enough to find out. Frankly, they are the losers. I give them every opportunity. If they blow it, they are out. I am not out anything, other than what was left of my time when I bar fined them at 1:30am. Besides, by the time I am finding some of these girls, it is either bar fine them or go home alone. What would you do? Well, I don't mean you, as in Carlos, I mean if you guys were in my shoes, and the doe wasn't an issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sean Juan]I just want to say that I was only joking regarding the "monopoly" comment. I didn't mean to offend you, so I hope that you weren't. I wrote that after reading countless reports (mainly UnoSpongeBob's) regarding his intriguing relationships with his "amigas". BTW, as an aside, I want to compliment Uno on his eloquently written reports and find them to be fascinating reads. So, anyway, I want to reiterate that no offense was intended, and I apologize if that rubbed you the wrong way. The truth is that without you guys, I'd be hopelessly lost in this denizen of debauchery known as Monterrey. I can't thank you enough.

Moving on...........

As promised, I stated that if I went through with the Plata rendezvous, that I would post a report here. And since I did, I am keeping my promise.

Ok, I was in contact with her handler "Alex" beginning @ 7pm last night. They were returning from Mazatlan and were scheduled to arrive in Monterrey around 11pm. He was unable to get in touch with Salma, so I agreed to a one-on-one with Plata. 11pm turned to 11:30, then midnight, then 12:30 (he was calling me about every 30 minutes with an update, and with each call he was going to be at my hotel in 30 minutes). Finally, when he called me at 1am to say that he would be at my hotel in 30 minutes with Plata, I told him that if he wasn't sure he could make it, then we could reschedule since I had to work in the morning. He assured me that they would be here @ 1:30am, so I told him to come on.

They did in fact arrive at the specified time. I was a bit disappointed with Plata's facial features and would never have chosen her based solely on appearance if we simply had a chance encounter or if she was "working" in a SC, MP, etc. I will say that she has a spinner's body that is quite alluring with very attractive perky little tits, but as a matter of personal taste, I typically prefer girls who are a bit more shapely. All that being said, I overlooked all of her perceived flaws (in my mind of course) due to the fact that she came so highly recommended.

What a mistake. The first thing she tried to do upon entering my room was upsell me to 2000 pesos instead of the published price of 1500 on her webpage stating that due to the time of day the price was different. I explained to her that the time of day issue was no fault of mine and that I only had the 1500 that I was originally quoted. She agreed to the price and to her credit agreed that the delay was not my fault. This girl is WAY too young (not to say illegal), and she was clearly immature and incapable of holding a conversation.

I will spare everyone the details of our encounter, but suffice it to say that her skills as a lover are severely lacking. Maybe she was tired after travelling all day, I don't know. But in her biz, she wasn't doing herself any favors to establish a potential repeat customer. The only thing she did well was kiss (which I didn't initiate and was quite surprised by). In all of my mongering encounters (probably around 50 in total), she was by a mile the worst I've ever had. Maybe I got the misfortune of her worst performance ever, and I definitely did not get a vibe from her that she is a nympho. I won't tell anyone not to see her, but I want to stress that YMMV with her. The last thing I will say about this encounter is that she couldn't even make me cum, and I was horny as hell all day anticipating the encounter.

Now, on a brighter note, I made tremendous inroads with a potential "amiga" of my own tonight. It was one of those deals where she didn't want to leave. And as a bonus, she has invited me to dinner tomorrow night on HER dime. It remains to be seen if I actually let her pay for my dinner, but the seed has been planted, and I believe there to be tremendous potential with her.

Sorry if this post was too long of a read, but I had alot to report on. Thanks again guys for making this the best information sharing site I've ever participated in.

~Sean

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As far as I know Plata started charging 500 pesos ($ 50 USD) for fuck when she was working at the Marcella, after that she became and indy and charged $ 1500 pesos (3X) and now charges $ 2000 pesos ($ 4X the initial price) and maybe in the future she will follow the example of the Argentinan escorts in Mexico city that charges $ 2500 or $ 3000 ($ 250- $300 USD) pesos when in their home country (Argentina) you can have one girl hot as well who does it all for $ 100 or $ 150 USD. I don't know if she is Argentinian or not but she seems to follow the example of her South American fellows.

I recently canceled an appointment with a Argentinian escort in the DF whe was blonde with huge tits (120) she said that she only does cbj (while I'm sure that in her country she does bbbj) and no russian when she said that I decided to cancel, I can take service with cbj but if I'm hiring a girl with tits that huge I'm expecting to enjoy her melons as much as possible, so for what is worth an escort with huge melons that doesn't offer russian sex (turkish sex in Argentian) who offers only cbj, no daty, no anal, no tit sucking only one pop and charges 3000 pesos ($300 USD) while at the same time if I'm going to Argentina I can find an escort who offers Porn Star Experience (everything included) for $ 100 or $ 150 USD.

I just don't get it. I probably never will.

Why do we criticize a person's preferences when they not agree with ours? Why do we ask someone to change his entire character so he can better enjoy an hour with a hooker?

Do we expect the person to change from a relaxed and nice Bob to a putu so the girl would submit to his rough manly demands?

This is the part I know I will regret ... I agree with Bob when he said once: "I want the girl to like me and seek me out." He wants to romance the girl and 'be romanced'. He wants to have a little affair with a wild gypsy that he knows she can be gone any minute. I think this is such a thrill that none of guys can even begin to understand yet appreciate.

I'll stop here.



[QUOTE=Amigomio]Seems your trying to understand their ways, is working against you.
You try to be relaxed, nice to them... those are weaknesses in their eyes.
[/QUOTE]

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. Please post reports consisting primarily of a commercial nature and/or reports with a link or links to commercial websites in the Classified Advertisement section of the Forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.[/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=Plata Mty][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. Please post reports consisting primarily of a commercial nature and/or reports with a link or links to commercial websites in the Classified Advertisement section of the Forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I think you are in the wrong post. I know you are an escort and this post is to help others to get sex either paying or not.

And you do not have a good review here.

Sugar Daddy

Personally, I believe she, or her handlers, were probably looking for some reconsideration in her case. They, or she, probably posted something to rebut the poor review she received, and Jackson, or his handlers, took it as an advertisement. But, just as was indicated, in all cases, YMMV. I say give her a chance, regardless of this one review. It may be that she was having an off day, tired, etc...Hell, I might call her up next time just to see what all the fuss is about. :-) Hell, if her photos have any kind of validity, she looks pretty HOT anyway!

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It wasn't her day off.
Doubt also mentioned it. Plata was just coming in from Mazatlan.... just that instant.
She might not have been in the mood and she did arrive plenty late, 1 am

Also, I think Sean Juan is not looking for just an 18 year old lay, he was looking for a lady escort in all sense of the work and not that quite young.

One more important fact: Monterrey is NOT Argentina, Strike.
Mexico just right now is not as screwed as Argentina.
That is why I have been seeing the escort girl's rates go through the roof, not only here in Monterrey, but in Mexico city too.

It is a bad tendency due mostly to a Mexican webpage called Divas

divas.com.mx

that advertised quite some expensive girls with starting prices at 3000 pesos going up to 5000, maybe even more.
Trouble is that this web page and their handlers were dealing with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
Now that they were caught, you won't find the SA girls they used to peddle.
Prices... I don't think they are coming down and afraid they will on the contrary go up all over the board.

Escort girls in Monterrey are now charging somewhere in the vecinity of 1500 pesos, but many now advertise a starting price of 2000.
Web pages like Bomboncitas Regias advertise at 2500 per hour.

So make a wild guess where prices will head once the word passes along from escorts to clubs girls.

Another point: I do not vouch nor speak for Plata, cause I don't care for escorts, but I do not agree that just because Plata started at Marcella charging 500 pesos she is mean b*tch now that she is indpendent cause she skipped to 1500 pesos and now she intends to charge 2000 pesos.
(One thing, cheapskates only pay the basic fee... to get the full good service at Marcella you must ante the starting price by 300 pesos or head to Misses, where you pay a hard rate of 2000 all inclusive... again, another place where high prices rule and they do have their nice quota of uncomplaining customers)

Why do you think Plata is anting her fee?
Cause that girl is now working at the Premiere MC, which is a 5 star club where you have to pay, just to her, 3000 pesos fro sex, plus all the extras the club charges you, making the total tab around 7000-8000 pesos.

She is now used to being a HPH (High Peso Hottie) and there will be no coming back for her for a while.
If she wants to charge that GOOD.
If she gets someone that can pay 2000 pesos, GOOD.
And believe me there are plenty of suckers born every day that will pay top pesos to get in bed with a girl like Plata.

Me, let her charge what ever she wants, I care less what she charges, I don' care what she charges, she will not see a single peso from my wallet.

Let the people that want to pay 2000 pesos for an hour for an 18 year old pay her and be it a monger from the USA or a Mexican customer, it's up to that guy to spend his money, freely and if he has fun with her... GOOD.

You mongers that don't want to pay those ridiculous stupid sums, there are plenty of options where to pick from.

You mongers that want to pay top peso for an escort like Plata, there are also plenty of options open for you.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Personally, I believe she, or her handlers, were probably looking for some reconsideration in her case. They, or she, probably posted something to rebut the poor review she received, and Jackson, or his handlers, took it as an advertisement. But, just as was indicated, in all cases, YMMV. I say give her a chance, regardless of this one review. It may be that she was having an off day, tired, etc...Hell, I might call her up next time just to see what all the fuss is about. :-) Hell, if her photos have any kind of validity, she looks pretty HOT anyway![/QUOTE]

I agree with Amigo Mio in some ways, when I did Plata she charge 1000 pesos for an hour, but 2000 now I rather go to Misses and pick from a line up, and she probably feel like whit her precence is enough but not her skills in bed. I need to try Infinito or Matehuala, may be thats the way to go.

Sugar Daddy,

[QUOTE=Amigomio]It wasn't her day off.

Doubt also mentioned it. Plata was just coming in from Mazatlan.... just that instant.
She might not have been in the mood and she did arrive plenty late, 1 am

Also, I think Sean Juan is not looking for just an 18 year old lay, he was looking for a lady escort in all sense of the work and not that quite young.

One more important fact: Monterrey is NOT Argentina, Strike.

Mexico just right now is not as screwed as Argentina.

That is why I have been seeing the escort girl's rates go through the roof, not only here in Monterrey, but in Mexico city too.

It is a bad tendency due mostly to a Mexican webpage called Divas

divas.com.mx

that advertised quite some expensive girls with starting prices at 3000 pesos going up to 5000, maybe even more.

Trouble is that this web page and their handlers were dealing with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].
Now that they were caught, you won't find the SA girls they used to peddle.

Prices... I don't think they are coming down and afraid they will on the contrary go up all over the board.

Escort girls in Monterrey are now charging somewhere in the vecinity of 1500 pesos, but many now advertise a starting price of 2000.

Web pages like Bomboncitas Regias advertise at 2500 per hour.

So make a wild guess where prices will head once the word passes along from escorts to clubs girls.

Another point: I do not vouch nor speak for Plata, cause I don't care for escorts, but I do not agree that just because Plata started at Marcella charging 500 pesos she is mean b*tch now that she is indpendent cause she skipped to 1500 pesos and now she intends to charge 2000 pesos.

(One thing, cheapskates only pay the basic fee... to get the full good service at Marcella you must ante the starting price by 300 pesos or head to Misses, where you pay a hard rate of 2000 all inclusive... again, another place where high prices rule and they do have their nice quota of uncomplaining customers)

Why do you think Plata is anting her fee?

Cause that girl is now working at the Premiere MC, which is a 5 star club where you have to pay, just to her, 3000 pesos fro sex, plus all the extras the club charges you, making the total tab around 7000-8000 pesos.

She is now used to being a HPH (High Peso Hottie) and there will be no coming back for her for a while.

If she wants to charge that GOOD.

If she gets someone that can pay 2000 pesos, GOOD.

And believe me there are plenty of suckers born every day that will pay top pesos to get in bed with a girl like Plata.

Me, let her charge what ever she wants, I care less what she charges, I don' care what she charges, she will not see a single peso from my wallet.

Let the people that want to pay 2000 pesos for an hour for an 18 year old pay her and be it a monger from the USA or a Mexican customer, it's up to that guy to spend his money, freely and if he has fun with her... GOOD.

You mongers that don't want to pay those ridiculous stupid sums, there are plenty of options where to pick from.

You mongers that want to pay top peso for an escort like Plata, there are also plenty of options open for you.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, well put.


[QUOTE=Sugardaddy 1718]I agree with Amigo Mio in some ways, when I did Plata she charge 1000 pesos for an hour, but 2000 now I rather go to Misses and pick from a line up, and she probably feel like whit her precence is enough but not her skills in bed. I need to try Infinito or Matehuala, may be thats the way to go.

Sugar Daddy,[/QUOTE]

ok, this is a comparison of the "value" that is avialable in the us compared to what i routinely find available in monterrey. so, that is how my exploits last night are relevant to the monterrey section of the board. after all, we have been discussing escorts lately, the most recent being plata.

this will be a cost analysis as it relates to performance of our usa hooker base versus my experience with typical mexican girls. now, to be perfectly accurate, i actually need a little more experience with our hooker base here in the usa because i have literally not been seeing them for years and years. but, recently, it occurred to me that i can very likely have "some" fun here with relatively equal amounts of money.

this will also be a summary of last nights romp in...well, somewhere in the midwest.

last night, i decided that i would hire and escort, taking the opportunty while on business. i have been scoping out various escort ads on the internet, looking at craig's list, following links here and there. so, last night, i found one that advertised an 18 year old girl, available for incall only, for $200us per hour. the picture in her ad did not show her face, but you could tell that her body was thin, that she had blonde hair, that she was white skinned, and that she had the body of an eighteen year old girl, etc...

so, i called her about 5pm, talked to her on the phone, and inquired about her availability. first, she told me that she only does in-calls. well, you know me. i am only interested in salidas to my lair. and, i also require amounts of time that are sufficient to get to know the girl, to establish some kind of mutual familiar attraction, sort of a breaking of the ice, and a more "real" kind of interaction, if possible.

so, when she said she only does in-calls, i told her that i was sorry to hear that, and that i was kind of interested in paying for two hours. so, she thought for a moment and said that she would like to do an outcall with me, and that the cost is $280 per hour. during my conversation with her, i could tell i was dealing with a younger aged girl, probably eighteen, maybe nineteen or twenty in reality. but, i could tell from her speach, and her ways, that she was at least as she had represented herself. and, i liked the way she sounded. when she arrived, i observed that she could vary easily be eighteen.

but, she was at least 45 minutes away from my hotel, and she told me that she could see me by 7pm, but that she would have to drive to he hotel to meet me. therefore, she said, she would need a little extra money for the travel issue. so, we agreed that i would pay her $600 to come to the hotel, and that she would spend two hours with me.

well, she called back a few times, reaching me on my go phone, and she confirmed the location of my hotel, probably also confirming that i was for real. she called about an hour before being due to meet me, and she asked my room number, etc...

now, keep in mind, discussions of specifics on the phone were none existent with respect to expectations for specific acts. even the amounts of money is vailed in representative synonyms. for example, $300us, is 300 roses, etc...those of you in the us know the drill. obviously, the dangers of stings in the us loom large in the back of your mind, so you have to be careful at all times, something that we do not have to even remotely consider in monterrey.

so, around 7pm, she called to tell me she was sorry but she was running late, and that she had turned the wrong way on the highway. she said she was probably still about 15 minutes from me, and she apologized for being late.

i understand the issue of being late due to the distance she had to drive, and as a result of my knowledge of the area, i realized that it was perfectly understandable that she was not exactly on time. no problem. what i liked was that she communicated with me, let me know where she was, that she was on the way, and i was not left hanging. as it turned out, she was only about 20 minutes late anyway.

when she arrived, i had instructed her to call my "go" phone so i could get her into the hotel through the back way, thinking that she might prefer to do that versus parading in front of desk clerks, some of which are females. she arrived in front of the hotel and did as instructed, calling me on my go phone and telling me that she was in the front of the hotel. i asked her if she preferred that i meet her in the back or if she just wanted to come to the room. she told me that she was parked already in front of the hotel, and that she would just come directly to my room. so, i told her my room number, gave her my fake name, "rick," and within about 2 minutes, a pretty, tall, eighteenish year old, with long, blonde, curly hair could be observed through the peephole of my hotel room door.

uhhhmmmm, i thought....nice!

i opened the door, and the evening began.

we talked for a while sitting on the bed. i pulled the same schtick that i always employ when in monterrey, listening to music, etc..., small talk, getting to know her a little better first. that took about 10 minutes :-)))

so, eventually, i determined that she was a good kisser, and we were getting much better acquainted with one another to the point of she getting pretty amorous. soon, she asked if she could take a quick shower, which she did. when she came out of the shower, she had on a really cool kind of bar girl dancer looking outfit, panties, fishnets, long heal shoes, all in bright red and black colors. a really hot outfit.

i was really pleasantly surprised that she was making this kind of effort. but, of course, this was a great payday for her, and i suppose she was making the effort to establish my continued patronage. but, either way, she made the effort, and it kind of surprised me a little bit.

so, eventually, we sat on the bed, and i began to gently and slowly carress her body, lots of kissing, carressing...that went on for quite a while, and ultimately, i started to pay attention to her pos-sey, as carlos' calls it. by the way, she has no kids, so that's also a plus. girls with kids are usually softer, not as tight, etc...so, when i actually got into sensing her body, i was able to ascertain that she probably was only about eighteen years old based on all my prior experience.


eventually, i sensed it was time to break out my old trust friend, the pocket rocket. she absolutely loved the pocket rocket. she was writhing around, grabbing her boobs, pinching them, breathing in really fast....sounding like she was having a frickin' baby...pos-sey getting pretty wet, etc...i think her excitment during pocket rocket time was legit. she would writh around, and then under her breath, with her face scrunched up, and head bent back in the pillow, she would say "ah, shit," and then a few "ah...that's good." those remarks, and those displays i sensed were legit. later, she told me that the pocket rocket was a cool toy, and that i knew how to use it. and, yes, it does require "certification," and an advanced biological engineering degree from stanford. :-)))

anyway, i played with her that way for a long time, and she simply never tired of it, changing positions, pocket rocket in my hand, kissing, sucking her small boobs, massaging her clit in various positions. eventually, of course, working our way to covered sex.

now, i noticed that during the sex act itself, she was a pretty good actress. she was damned loud, ahhhhing, oooooing, almost shouting out at times. after we were done, i was kidding her, putting my finger to my lips, saying shhhhh, quiet...laughing with her. it was fun,

my conclusions are that she was really quite good in comparison to all the girls that i have bar fined in monterrey. i would give her an a- in comparison. of course, i know you all think i am nuts for spending the money, $600us for two hours. but, my logic in this is to also consider that cost of air travel to monterrey in the comparison, the hotel bills, which when i am on business, are paid by my employer when i remain in the states, versus my going to monterrey, which lately has been on my own dime.

so, literally, i have to consider the totality of my costs when doing a cost comparison to monterrey. the fact that she cost $600, imho, was a little steep, but still within the going rate, not for what she delivered, that was perfectly good, but in comparison to girls i might be able to find here that would only cost probably about $400 for two hours. i think there are other options, but i have to investigate it further. i did get her to agree to cut me a break on future visits. she asked me to call her when i return, so we'll see if she really will give me a break on price in exchange for a regular client.

i might explore more possibilities tonight, depending on my mood. i found one girl last night that i am interested in sampling, so we'll see how that might go.


anyway, consider this...when i travel to monterrey, it costs me about $500 for a rt ticket, about $400 for four nights if i stay at the sheraton, which is a hotel of equal quality when i am in the us. the girl speaks english, and i am able to converse with them with significantly more effectiveness in communication. however, i must say that sometimes the lack of ability to communicate as effectively, and the dialect in my speaking spanish to my mexican girls, makes for a exotic kind of experience for them, and me, one that rachets up the overall experience as a whole. that is a factor that should not be underestimated in the overall "charm" associated with my interactions with my mexican girlfriends. it is a huge consideration. i find signficantly less titilation in conversing with us girls, and i'm sure the same is true of them with me. so, that dynamic can not be undersold. it is, imho, the single most important reason for certain girls in mexico choosing to spend large amounts of time with me, versus what is routinely experienced in the us, where the girls leave right on schedule, every time. in monterrey, i have a number of girls that spend longer periods of time than agreed to, sometimes for less money, sometimes todo la noche, sometimes no money...that is simply unheard of in the us. therefore, when comparing bang for the buck, the cost of us escorts is very much higher than in mexico, even when factoring in travel cost. literally, if travel cost were not part of the computation, there would simply be no comparison whatsoever. but, those of us that have to travel to monterrey, must factor in the overall cost.

if i could beam myself to monterrey, scotty style, as in star trekky, i would do it. but, the technology ain't there yet, and besides, i don't want my molecules floating around out there if something goes wrong :-))) so, i am stuck with deciding now whether the experiences i am having in the us, compare favoraby enough to what i enjoy in monterrey. so far, my conclusions are that they are not as good, slightly more expensive compared to what i get, but surprisingly, i was not as disappointed last night, compared to monterrey, as i had thought i would be.

the eighteen year old hottie showed the same amount of seemingly legit carino for the "old man" as i am able to solicit from the mexican girls. that is a huge plus.

so, in summary, i will always travel to monterrey for my fun, visiting with my amigos, seeing my girls, etc...but, that these us escorts hold more promise for me as fill-ins, especially at times when travel to monterrey is difficult due to time constraints. the cost factor is really about the same, in the general sense, even when the overall satisfaction rate with respect to time spent with my mexican girls is skewed.

me thinks you were just plain lucky.

next time, who knows.
even with the same provider, who knows.

i also think she did a nice act on you.

but one thing is universal with escorts: even if you go for the same one 2,3,-4 times, they will always be on the defensive.
they'll never fully have a real bond with the customer.




[quote=unospongebob]ok, this is a comparison of the "value" that is avialable in the us compared to what i routinely find available in monterrey. so, that is how my exploits last night are relevant to the monterrey section of the board. after all, we have been discussing escorts lately, the most recent being plata.

this will be a cost analysis as it relates to performance of our usa hooker base versus my experience with typical mexican girls. now, to be perfectly accurate, i actually need a little more experience with our hooker base here in the usa because i have literally not been seeing them for years and years. but, recently, it occurred to me that i can very likely have "some" fun here with relatively equal amounts of money.

this will also be a summary of last nights romp in...well, somewhere in the midwest.

last night, i decided that i would hire and escort, taking the opportunty while on business. i have been scoping out various escort ads on the internet, looking at craig's list, following links here and there. so, last night, i found one that advertised an 18 year old girl, available for incall only, for $200us per hour. the picture in her ad did not show her face, but you could tell that her body was thin, that she had blonde hair, that she was white skinned, and that she had the body of an eighteen year old girl, etc...

so, i called her about 5pm, talked to her on the phone, and inquired about her availability. first, she told me that she only does in-calls. well, you know me. i am only interested in salidas to my lair. and, i also require amounts of time that are sufficient to get to know the girl, to establish some kind of mutual familiar attraction, sort of a breaking of the ice, and a more "real" kind of interaction, if possible.

so, when she said she only does in-calls, i told her that i was sorry to hear that, and that i was kind of interested in paying for two hours. so, she thought for a moment and said that she would like to do an outcall with me, and that the cost is $280 per hour. during my conversation with her, i could tell i was dealing with a younger aged girl, probably eighteen, maybe nineteen or twenty in reality. but, i could tell from her speach, and her ways, that she was at least as she had represented herself. and, i liked the way she sounded. when she arrived, i observed that she could vary easily be eighteen.

but, she was at least 45 minutes away from my hotel, and she told me that she could see me by 7pm, but that she would have to drive to he hotel to meet me. therefore, she said, she would need a little extra money for the travel issue. so, we agreed that i would pay her $600 to come to the hotel, and that she would spend two hours with me.

well, she called back a few times, reaching me on my go phone, and she confirmed the location of my hotel, probably also confirming that i was for real. she called about an hour before being due to meet me, and she asked my room number, etc...

now, keep in mind, discussions of specifics on the phone were none existent with respect to expectations for specific acts. even the amounts of money is vailed in representative synonyms. for example, $300us, is 300 roses, etc...those of you in the us know the drill. obviously, the dangers of stings in the us loom large in the back of your mind, so you have to be careful at all times, something that we do not have to even remotely consider in monterrey.

so, around 7pm, she called to tell me she was sorry but she was running late, and that she had turned the wrong way on the highway. she said she was probably still about 15 minutes from me, and she apologized for being late.

i understand the issue of being late due to the distance she had to drive, and as a result of my knowledge of the area, i realized that it was perfectly understandable that she was not exactly on time. no problem. what i liked was that she communicated with me, let me know where she was, that she was on the way, and i was not left hanging. as it turned out, she was only about 20 minutes late anyway.

when she arrived, i had instructed her to call my "go" phone so i could get her into the hotel through the back way, thinking that she might prefer to do that versus parading in front of desk clerks, some of which are females. she arrived in front of the hotel and did as instructed, calling me on my go phone and telling me that she was in the front of the hotel. i asked her if she preferred that i meet her in the back or if she just wanted to come to the room. she told me that she was parked already in front of the hotel, and that she would just come directly to my room. so, i told her my room number, gave her my fake name, "rick," and within about 2 minutes, a pretty, tall, eighteenish year old, with long, blonde, curly hair could be observed through the peephole of my hotel room door.

uhhhmmmm, i thought....nice!

i opened the door, and the evening began.

we talked for a while sitting on the bed. i pulled the same schtick that i always employ when in monterrey, listening to music, etc..., small talk, getting to know her a little better first. that took about 10 minutes :-)))

so, eventually, i determined that she was a good kisser, and we were getting much better acquainted with one another to the point of she getting pretty amorous. soon, she asked if she could take a quick shower, which she did. when she came out of the shower, she had on a really cool kind of bar girl dancer looking outfit, panties, fishnets, long heal shoes, all in bright red and black colors. a really hot outfit.

i was really pleasantly surprised that she was making this kind of effort. but, of course, this was a great payday for her, and i suppose she was making the effort to establish my continued patronage. but, either way, she made the effort, and it kind of surprised me a little bit.

so, eventually, we sat on the bed, and i began to gently and slowly carress her body, lots of kissing, carressing...that went on for quite a while, and ultimately, i started to pay attention to her pos-sey, as carlos' calls it. by the way, she has no kids, so that's also a plus. girls with kids are usually softer, not as tight, etc...so, when i actually got into sensing her body, i was able to ascertain that she probably was only about eighteen years old based on all my prior experience.


eventually, i sensed it was time to break out my old trust friend, the pocket rocket. she absolutely loved the pocket rocket. she was writhing around, grabbing her boobs, pinching them, breathing in really fast....sounding like she was having a frickin' baby...pos-sey getting pretty wet, etc...i think her excitment during pocket rocket time was legit. she would writh around, and then under her breath, with her face scrunched up, and head bent back in the pillow, she would say "ah, shit," and then a few "ah...that's good." those remarks, and those displays i sensed were legit. later, she told me that the pocket rocket was a cool toy, and that i knew how to use it. and, yes, it does require "certification," and an advanced biological engineering degree from stanford. :-)))

anyway, i played with her that way for a long time, and she simply never tired of it, changing positions, pocket rocket in my hand, kissing, sucking her small boobs, massaging her clit in various positions. eventually, of course, working our way to covered sex.

now, i noticed that during the sex act itself, she was a pretty good actress. she was damned loud, ahhhhing, oooooing, almost shouting out at times. after we were done, i was kidding her, putting my finger to my lips, saying shhhhh, quiet...laughing with her. it was fun,

my conclusions are that she was really quite good in comparison to all the girls that i have bar fined in monterrey. i would give her an a- in comparison. of course, i know you all think i am nuts for spending the money, $600us for two hours. but, my logic in this is to also consider that cost of air travel to monterrey in the comparison, the hotel bills, which when i am on business, are paid by my employer when i remain in the states, versus my going to monterrey, which lately has been on my own dime.

so, literally, i have to consider the totality of my costs when doing a cost comparison to monterrey. the fact that she cost $600, imho, was a little steep, but still within the going rate, not for what she delivered, that was perfectly good, but in comparison to girls i might be able to find here that would only cost probably about $400 for two hours. i think there are other options, but i have to investigate it further. i did get her to agree to cut me a break on future visits. she asked me to call her when i return, so we'll see if she really will give me a break on price in exchange for a regular client.

i might explore more possibilities tonight, depending on my mood. i found one girl last night that i am interested in sampling, so we'll see how that might go.


anyway, consider this...when i travel to monterrey, it costs me about $500 for a rt ticket, about $400 for four nights if i stay at the sheraton, which is a hotel of equal quality when i am in the us. the girl speaks english, and i am able to converse with them with significantly more effectiveness in communication. however, i must say that sometimes the lack of ability to communicate as effectively, and the dialect in my speaking spanish to my mexican girls, makes for a exotic kind of experience for them, and me, one that rachets up the overall experience as a whole. that is a factor that should not be underestimated in the overall "charm" associated with my interactions with my mexican girlfriends. it is a huge consideration. i find signficantly less titilation in conversing with us girls, and i'm sure the same is true of them with me. so, that dynamic can not be undersold. it is, imho, the single most important reason for certain girls in mexico choosing to spend large amounts of time with me, versus what is routinely experienced in the us, where the girls leave right on schedule, every time. in monterrey, i have a number of girls that spend longer periods of time than agreed to, sometimes for less money, sometimes todo la noche, sometimes no money...that is simply unheard of in the us. therefore, when comparing bang for the buck, the cost of us escorts is very much higher than in mexico, even when factoring in travel cost. literally, if travel cost were not part of the computation, there would simply be no comparison whatsoever. but, those of us that have to travel to monterrey, must factor in the overall cost.

if i could beam myself to monterrey, scotty style, as in star trekky, i would do it. but, the technology ain't there yet, and besides, i don't want my molecules floating around out there if something goes wrong :-))) so, i am stuck with deciding now whether the experiences i am having in the us, compare favoraby enough to what i enjoy in monterrey. so far, my conclusions are that they are not as good, slightly more expensive compared to what i get, but surprisingly, i was not as disappointed last night, compared to monterrey, as i had thought i would be.

the eighteen year old hottie showed the same amount of seemingly legit carino for the "old man" as i am able to solicit from the mexican girls. that is a huge plus.

so, in summary, i will always travel to monterrey for my fun, visiting with my amigos, seeing my girls, etc...but, that these us escorts hold more promise for me as fill-ins, especially at times when travel to monterrey is difficult due to time constraints. the cost factor is really about the same, in the general sense, even when the overall satisfaction rate with respect to time spent with my mexican girls is skewed.[/quote]

I think there was probably some luck involved. Certainly, selecting an escort from a relatively blind ad, such as what I did, or even from an ad that shows a series of explicit pictures, and advertises her skills as being superior, is more risky than what we experience routinely in Monterrey with respect to selecting girls in the SCs or massage parlors. We have the opportunity in Monterrey to interview the girls, something you can not do in the US. Even with respect to Plata coming highly recommended, it's still a YMMV circumstance, just as we saw with respect to Sean Juan's experience.

So, yes, I was probably lucky...I have no doubt she put on a nice act. Frankly, I do not particularly like their resorting to acts. To me, it just makes them seem too false and calculating. I would rather their behavior be more "real," than to assume that by pandering to my voyeristic side, they will somehow be better providers. They have to be very good actresses in order for their "act" to be believable, and most are not.

And, in her case, the writhing around in bed did not really strike me as an act, which is what I like, regardless of whether it's an act or not. If they can pull it off as being real, then I am satisfied, and could not really care less if it's simply done for effect.

As for the straight sex with her, that was definitely an act...obvious to me.

It is very easy for me to discern an "act" these days. After having been with probably about 1000 girls, I have seen it all. The distinction I notice between the US escort and the Mexican girls I am used to seeing is that the US escrots seem to believe, and are apparently socialized to believe, that they have to "over-act" their roles in order to satisfy the demands of their customers.

The porno movies are to blame, IMHO. Unfortunately, the US escorts believe that we expect that kind of euphoric, cartoonistic behavior of them or we are not satisfied as clients. I suppose it's a result of the US escorts having watched too many porno movies for pointers.

With the Mexican girls, I notice that they display a much more genuine kind of behavior, and very few of them "over-act" their roles, some ranging from genuine to literally being dead fish.

I had a girlfriend in Monterrey that was NOT acting. Simply put, once she had been with me several times, any acting attempts she may have initially made, astensibly to manipulate me with her acting ability, were dropped. Simply put, she is too lazy to keep up the facade, and she is too sweet to act that way to me. Besides, she always believed me to be "in the bag," so she just didn't do things that I would discern as "acting" to keep me "interested."

As for real bonding, that is what I am truly after in my encounters. In Monterrey, I've proven that "real bonding" is not only possible, but it can be acheived with some work and determination on the part of the monger. However, with respect to US escorts, I am inclined to agree with you, Carlos, that the likelihood of that happening, even with repetition, is very remote here in the States.

But, knowing how I play the game, I also know the frustration associated with returning to Monterrey to start over. And, IF I find that the relationship with Angel Girl has changed, and provided I even find another like Angel Girl, such as Newbie Girl, and were this same scenario to develop in her case, I am right back in the same situation as with Angel Girl. Why put myself through it? If the same kind of circumstances develop each time I play the game, then I am setting myself up for disappointment, just as I am now disappointed at my prospects at continuing the same level of intensity and commitment of emotion, that was my Angel Girl.

My only hope is that the strength of my bond with my Angel Girl will continue to withstand the strain that's been put on the relationship as a result of the disclosure. Had the disclosures never occurred, she would not feel the need to face the reality of our relationship for the sake of her son. She would have been content otherwise for herself, content in her hopes with me. But, she was forced to view our relationship in the light of day, and to forceably contemplate that our relationship had no meaning with respect to her security in life, and more importantly, with respect to security for her son, and her need to construct a family for him, even if it meant the sacrifice of her own happiness. What I have (had?) with Angel Girl illustrates the potential that can be achieved with Mexican bar girls. And, it has not only occurred with Angel Girl, but with Cindy #1, and with Angry Girl, but in varying degrees. Angel Girl was the pinnacle of my achievments in the "bonding" that I enjoy so much.

But, what discourages me now is that my potential for happiness in Monterrey has been irrevocably affected. With the disclosures about me potentially sabotaging my circumstances with my "REAL" Mexican girlfriend, Angel Girl, perhaps I am just as well off patronizing the local girls here. The cost is about the same.

If all I can anticipate now is to experience the same kind of behavior from girls that were like the escort I saw last night, good performance, good carino, kissing, hugging, lots of ohhhhs, ahhhhs, lots of carnal desire, seemingly, but void of the legitimate affections I experienced with my real Mexican girlfriend, then why return? Simply put, there really is NO comparison between what I had with my Mexican girlfriend and what I would experience in Monterrey otherwise. I suspect that I would be very disappointed at the alternatives in Monterrey in comparison.





[QUOTE=Amigomio]Me thinks you were just plain lucky.

Next time, who knows.
Even with the same provider, who knows.

I also think she did a nice act on you.

But one thing is universal with escorts: even if you go for the same one 2,3,-4 times, they will always be on the defensive.
They'll never fully have a real bond with the customer.[/QUOTE]

OK Bob, so you are not coming back down again, right?


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]..... then why return? Simply put, there really is NO comparison between what I had with my Mexican girlfriend and what I would experience in Monterrey otherwise. I suspect that I would be very disappointed at the alternatives in Monterrey in comparison.[/QUOTE]

Naw.... he's coming back.

By the way, what is this??

"We have the opportunity in Monterrey to interview the girls"

You're the only that interviews them... we talk to them, squeeze all pertinent info while we are squeezing the hell out of the in the privados, and then if desirable, we screw their brains out.

But "interview" them?
Nope.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]OK Bob, so you are not coming back down again, right?[/QUOTE]

My interviewing techniques take on just as much depravity as any of yours. There is plenty of squeezing, mucho squeezing, lots of squeezing!!! :-) Make no mistake...

But, my point was a comparison to US interviewing, which is NON-existent. Remember, we have no way of "interviewing" them here. We select them from one or two photos on Craigs List, or Backpage.com, or some other escort website. Then, we talk to them on the phone.

To mention anything of any substance to the girl over the phone can result in your being arrested by the authorities, your being incarcerated, publicly humiliated with your name posted in the newspaper, and a relatively large fine imposed.

So, nothing of substance can be ascertained by even talking with them on the phone because they will hang up on you if you become specific or explicit as to what you expect of them. They do not expose themselves to arrest by discussing vivid illegal details with you by phone. They only talk in generalities, and refer to money in synonyms.

And, here is a piece of legal trivia you might be interested in. If you are in a city situated where there are several ajoining States, and you happen to call a girl that is located just over the State Line from where you are located, if you discuss specifics with her, and/or she comes across State lines to meet you, you are violation of what is known as the "Mann Act."

Or, lets say you are a street walker officionado...If you drive over to the side of town where such action is found, which just always happens to be across State lines, then cruise the streets, find the girl of your dreams, consumate an arrangement, and bring her back across state lines, over to the part of the metro area that is where the all the better hotels are located, you are in violation of the Mann Act.

If you even discuss specific details with her on the phone, and she is across state lines when the conversation is taking place, you are potentially in violation of the Mann Act, the least of which can be charged as "conspiracy" to commit violations of the Mann Act, if those communications utilize phone technology that extends beyond State lines.

"TITLE 18. US Federal Law: Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United
States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

Therefore, such activity is a violation of US Federal Law. The violation of the Mann Act is a felony in the US, and literally the FBI investigates it, US Federal prosecutors prosecute it, and as you can see, you can spend up to five years in Federal Prison engaging in prostitution in the US if you're in violation of the Mann Act. Plus, those penalties do not include the State penalties for violation of prostitution laws, which are in almost every State in the Union, and even where legal, such as the State of Nevada, strictly regulated.

Get the picture???

So, compared to that scenario, we ALL conduct hugely effective interviews in Monterrey by comparison, and yes, I would be crazy not to come back. Of course I'm coming back.

I'm just disappointed that my enjoyment of my kind of scenario "MAY" be compromised by these disclosures about my personal circumstances to her. I just want to have what I have always had with her, and now that has "possibly" been compromised. She didn't show it last time in her behavior or "performance," not even in her availability, after she found out, but the disclosures did effect our scenario. She has a tendency to analyze stuff cognitively when I am gone, and it has the potential to adversely affect my scenario with her when I'm there. It did NOT last time, but...

Of course I'm coming back... :-) But, keep your girls under wraps...I was formerly contained, but things may be changing. USB may not be as effectively contained these days by Angel Girl. I am starting to develop a very Cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. We shall see...only Angel Girl can contain me.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Naw.... he's coming back.

By the way, what is this??

"We have the opportunity in Monterrey to interview the girls"

You're the only that interviews them... we talk to them, squeeze all pertinent info while we are squeezing the hell out of the in the privados, and then if desirable, we screw their brains out.

But "interview" them?
Nope.[/QUOTE]

Of course you CAN try to get our girls... thing is you'll never be "cabron" enough to get them.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]My interviewing techniques take on just as much depravity as any of yours. There is plenty of squeezing, mucho squeezing, lots of squeezing!!! :-) Make no mistake...

But, my point was a comparison to US interviewing, which is NON-existent. Remember, we have no way of "interviewing" them here. We select them from one or two photos on Craigs List, or Backpage.com, or some other escort website. Then, we talk to them on the phone.

To mention anything of any substance to the girl over the phone can result in your being arrested by the authorities, your being incarcerated, publicly humiliated with your name posted in the newspaper, and a relatively large fine imposed.

So, nothing of substance can be ascertained by even talking with them on the phone because they will hang up on you if you become specific or explicit as to what you expect of them. They do not expose themselves to arrest by discussing vivid illegal details with you by phone. They only talk in generalities, and refer to money in synonyms.

And, here is a piece of legal trivia you might be interested in. If you are in a city situated where there are several ajoining States, and you happen to call a girl that is located just over the State Line from where you are located, if you discuss specifics with her, and/or she comes across State lines to meet you, you are violation of what is known as the "Mann Act."

Or, lets say you are a street walker officionado...If you drive over to the side of town where such action is found, which just always happens to be across State lines, then cruise the streets, find the girl of your dreams, consumate an arrangement, and bring her back across state lines, over to the part of the metro area that is where the all the better hotels are located, you are in violation of the Mann Act.

If you even discuss specific details with her on the phone, and she is across state lines when the conversation is taking place, you are potentially in violation of the Mann Act, the least of which can be charged as "conspiracy" to commit violations of the Mann Act, if those communications utilize phone technology that extends beyond State lines.

"TITLE 18. US Federal Law: Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United
States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

Therefore, such activity is a violation of US Federal Law. The violation of the Mann Act is a felony in the US, and literally the FBI investigates it, US Federal prosecutors prosecute it, and as you can see, you can spend up to five years in Federal Prison engaging in prostitution in the US if you're in violation of the Mann Act. Plus, those penalties do not include the State penalties for violation of prostitution laws, which are in almost every State in the Union, and even where legal, such as the State of Nevada, strictly regulated.

Get the picture???

So, compared to that scenario, we ALL conduct hugely effective interviews in Monterrey by comparison, and yes, I would be crazy not to come back. Of course I'm coming back.

I'm just disappointed that my enjoyment of my kind of scenario "MAY" be compromised by these disclosures about my personal circumstances to her. I just want to have what I have always had with her, and now that has "possibly" been compromised. She didn't show it last time in her behavior or "performance," not even in her availability, after she found out, but the disclosures did effect our scenario. She has a tendency to analyze stuff cognitively when I am gone, and it has the potential to adversely affect my scenario with her when I'm there. It did NOT last time, but...

Of course I'm coming back... :-) But, keep your girls under wraps...I was formerly contained, but things may be changing. USB may not be as effectively contained these days by Angel Girl. I am starting to develop a very Cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. We shall see...only Angel Girl can contain me.[/QUOTE]

I do not get them being a Cabron...that is not my style. And, our definition of "get them" is totally different. But, fear not, frankly, I hope my Angel Girl keeps me on a short leash :-))) Besides, I do not like tall, wide girls...so you're safe...just kidding ;-)

Hey, there was a new girl at El Infinito last time. I took her into the privados. She came highly recommended by Jarras. My Angel Girl was not there, so he told me he had a new girl that was equal. He told me that she was an exact ringer for my Angel Girl. When he introduced us, I did not think she resembled her at all...not even close. But, I decided I would "interview" this supposed "replacement" in the privados.

In the privados, she was really, really dirty, as in really, really slutty. And, of course, she will go on salida with me. I was being loyal to my Angel Girl so I passed her by.

But, there was one other one on the night shift that reminded me of Cindy #2, flaca, morena, naturales, pretty smile, good personality, black hair, pretty eyes, etc...She passed all the interview criteria in the privados, but when I got her back to the room, she was a huge disappointment in some areas, and I mean in some really important areas too.

Literally, she was so sensitive that I could barely even touch her clit. Of course, the pocket rocket was OUT!!! I could not have any fun. And, certainly, she performed the sex act, and it was purely a mechanical experience. If she had not had such a good personality, and been so much fun in that way, she would have been a complete and total bomb.

To be so good in the carino department, great personality, and so poor in everything else. How Tragic!!! What a frickin' waste.

And, why is it when we report OUR experiences on this board, we are never, EVER, given any little blue captions at the bottom of our posts, like the newbies all get when they report something. For example, my review above. Is that not a report on a girl in one of the clubs? I mean what the FUCK does a guy have to do to get recognized. It just demonstrates the prejudice of the administration.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Of course you CAN try to get our girls... thing is you'll never be "cabron" enough to get them.[/QUOTE]

What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"

bob's cabronish style:
and i quote "and, when you talk to my prestige girl, please tell her for me "no more drinks," not until she meets me outside ..... there...how's that for being a cabron? "

carlos:
"you *****. if anyone is going to do some *****-slabbing, it will be me."
"you want to have my baby? get away from me."

me? i just don't give a damn. if she's old enough to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], she's old enough for me.

[quote=unospongebob]but, keep your girls under wraps...i was formerly contained, but things may be changing. usb may not be as effectively contained these days by angel girl. i am starting to develop a very cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. we shall see...only angel girl can contain me.[/quote]

you know me...i am always playing the psych angles. the board is a very effective sounding board, one where messages are posted, but meanings have a dual purpose.

if i tell carlos what to tell them, what message do you think he will actually deliver? just asking... :-))) my opinion, none... :-))) right?


[quote=wastedgman]bob's cabronish style:
and i quote "and, when you talk to my prestige girl, please tell her for me "no more drinks," not until she meets me outside ..... there...how's that for being a cabron? "

carlos:
"you *****. if anyone is going to do some *****-slabbing, it will be me."
"you want to have my baby? get away from me."

me? i just don't give a damn. if she's old enough to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], she's old enough for me.[/quote]

There are none to be trusted. ALL of them, ALL WAITERS, are on the take, one way or the other. The recommendation given to me by the manager was because he thought he understood why I always looked for my Angel Girl. In his case, his recommendations to me were genuinely offered.

But, he, like so many others, have no real comprehension about what I am truly looking for in my girls, and why I ask for her always. Most have tunnel vision, like so many on the boards who fail to understand the depth of my best experiences. Most do not understand why I seek out my kind of experience versus what so many others are otherwise satisfied with.

Most will never know...

[QUOTE=Doubt98]What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"[/QUOTE]

I wish it worked that way. Each has his own motives. Trust me.

And in a SC, who will you trust? A hooker? Or the man who delivers her drinks and tries to cheat you out of $100 when he thinks you're drunk?

[QUOTE=Doubt98]What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"[/QUOTE]

I agree with both USB and Wasted.
But I would add that I wouldn't even trust any manager.
All of these people will as soon as possible sink a dagger in my back.
None of these people work for us... they work for the House.
They might sometimes back you in moments of trouble, sometimes clear any wrong doings with the tab, sometimes not even that!

Yes, I might recomend a waiter, right there in person at the club, but even then I would tell the monger to be on the look out for a scam.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I wish it worked that way. Each has his own motives. Trust me.

And in a SC, who will you trust? A hooker? Or the man who delivers her drinks and tries to cheat you out of $100 when he thinks you're drunk?[/QUOTE]

My friend... you don't know that!!!
Of course I pass along messages, but I have to sweeten the message depending on the girl's humor, or non humor.
I have to twist it around, make some adjustments.

In your case, Angel girl is starting her shift to late, well into 6:30-7:00 pm and on a weekday it is hard for me to be there at that time frame.
But I've managed to pass along the messages...

PS: OK!!! you don't trust me anymore!!!!!!!!
PPS: Maybe you shouldn't.
PPPS: Maybe you should!!!



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]You know me...I am always playing the psych angles. The board is a very effective sounding board, one where messages are posted, but meanings have a dual purpose.

If I tell Carlos what to tell them, what message do you think he will actually deliver? Just asking... :-))) My opinion, NONE... :-))) Right?[/QUOTE]

First, I want to preface this by saying that this is purely a philosophical discussion about tactics, preferences, goals, and objectives. It is a gentleman's discussion, and I mean no disrespect to my dear friend, Carlos, nor do I wish to convey a lack of inherent trust in Carlos as my dear friend.

I articulate the following to illustrate the differences in my goals and objectives compared to ones articulated by Carlos, WastedG, and almost everyone else on here.

Most simply do not understand me, nor are they sympathetic to the fulfillment that I receive from the kind of successes I have with my girls, such as is the case with Angel Girl. Most are not appreciative in knowing that what I get from that kind of scenario is what motivates me to return, apart from visiting with Carlos, and my amigos of course.

It is a lack of understanding that the potential demise of that circumstance with Angel Girl only serves to discourage my return...seriously. Obviously, if the circumstance with her deteriorate as a result of disclosures, I will have to start over. But, my game is a long-term endeavor, taking literally months, and significantly more work than merely selecting the best piece of ass from the stage at El Infinito.

From that misunderstanding sprouts a misguided comprehension of my tactics, and possibly, on occasion, interventions that sabotage my goals and objectives. And, understandably, those interventions in my scenarios are made innocently, lacking an understanding of what motivates me to return to Monterrey, interventions made employing their own tactics used successfully for them to achieve their brand of successfully realized goals and objectives.

Misguided interventions on my behalf are not done with malice. It's a lack of understanding with respect to differing tactics perhaps, but more importantly, it's a misunderstanding with respect to technique as it relates to our desiring different outcomes with our girls.

So, you see, it isn't a matter of lacking "trust" per se, it is a matter of lacking trust that there is sufficient understanding of my goals and objectives, and or sympathy toward my goals and objectives, for the purposes of motivating me back to Monterrey, and not a lack of trust in my dear friend.

For me, there is simply no value to be gleened in being the Cabron, within my own context of successful accomplishment (ie: "The Hybrid GFE"). At the same time, I fully comprehend that most do not understand what motivates my selection of diametrically opposed tactics, ones that do not conform to their own preferred outcomes. So, I am doubtful that messages can be delivered to assist me in accomplishing my goals, nor are interventions on my behalf usually helpful, because I realize there is little understanding in what is required to solicit my kinds of outcomes.

So, with the lack of understanding comes a misdirected attempt to positively influence outcomes for me, all be it with altruistic and sincere concern for my well being, all made, however, by them, at the risk of my being less interested in returning to scenarios with girls that simply do not fulfill me.


[QUOTE=Amigomio]My friend... you don't know that!!!
Of course I pass along messages, but I have to sweeten the message depending on the girl's humor, or non humor.
I have to twist it around, make some adjustments.

In your case, Angel girl is starting her shift to late, well into 6:30-7:00 pm and on a weekday it is hard for me to be there at that time frame.
But I've managed to pass along the messages...

PS: OK!!! you don't trust me anymore!!!!!!!!
PPS: Maybe you shouldn't.
PPPS: Maybe you should!!![/QUOTE]

Hey guys

Are Mexican women really the best for wild sex, or is at all hype.

Okay cheers for the heads up ive been chatting to a girl from San Luis Potosi for about a year she works in Ghana for Unicef so she seemed like she might have a good head on her shoulders. Ive been thinking about asking her to visit me in England but ive not dated a Mexican girl so I wasnt sure if it was worth the bother.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Cpalace82]Hey guys

Are Mexican women really the best for wild sex, or is at all hype.[/QUOTE]


I actually enjoy their cooking and housekeeping abilities best............lol......

A girl... how old is she?
Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything,
Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.
They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.



[QUOTE=Cpalace82]Okay cheers for the heads up ive been chatting to a girl from San Luis Potosi for about a year she works in Ghana for Unicef so she seemed like she might have a good head on her shoulders. Ive been thinking about asking her to visit me in England but ive not dated a Mexican girl so I wasnt sure if it was worth the bother.

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]First, I want to preface this by saying that this is purely a philosophical discussion about tactics, preferences, goals, and objectives. It is a gentleman's discussion, and I mean no disrespect to my dear friend, Carlos, nor do I wish to convey a lack of inherent trust in Carlos as my dear friend.

I articulate the following to illustrate the differences in my goals and objectives compared to ones articulated by Carlos, WastedG, and almost everyone else on here.

Most simply do not understand me, nor are they sympathetic to the fulfillment that I receive from the kind of successes I have with my girls, such as is the case with Angel Girl. Most are not appreciative in knowing that what I get from that kind of scenario is what motivates me to return, apart from visiting with Carlos, and my amigos of course.

It is a lack of understanding that the potential demise of that circumstance with Angel Girl only serves to discourage my return...seriously. Obviously, if the circumstance with her deteriorate as a result of disclosures, I will have to start over. But, my game is a long-term endeavor, taking literally months, and significantly more work than merely selecting the best piece of ass from the stage at El Infinito.

From that misunderstanding sprouts a misguided comprehension of my tactics, and possibly, on occasion, interventions that sabotage my goals and objectives. And, understandably, those interventions in my scenarios are made innocently, lacking an understanding of what motivates me to return to Monterrey, interventions made employing their own tactics used successfully for them to achieve their brand of successfully realized goals and objectives.

Misguided interventions on my behalf are not done with malice. It's a lack of understanding with respect to differing tactics perhaps, but more importantly, it's a misunderstanding with respect to technique as it relates to our desiring different outcomes with our girls.

So, you see, it isn't a matter of lacking "trust" per se, it is a matter of lacking trust that there is sufficient understanding of my goals and objectives, and or sympathy toward my goals and objectives, for the purposes of motivating me back to Monterrey, and not a lack of trust in my dear friend.

For me, there is simply no value to be gleened in being the Cabron, within my own context of successful accomplishment (ie: "The Hybrid GFE"). At the same time, I fully comprehend that most do not understand what motivates my selection of diametrically opposed tactics, ones that do not conform to their own preferred outcomes. So, I am doubtful that messages can be delivered to assist me in accomplishing my goals, nor are interventions on my behalf usually helpful, because I realize there is little understanding in what is required to solicit my kinds of outcomes.

So, with the lack of understanding comes a misdirected attempt to positively influence outcomes for me, all be it with altruistic and sincere concern for my well being, all made, however, by them, at the risk of my being less interested in returning to scenarios with girls that simply do not fulfill me.[/QUOTE]What was that? Sounds like an articulation for one self. You didnt say anything besides no one understans you. No offense and this is not a personal attack, but what the hell was that about?

[QUOTE=Bbond]I actually enjoy their cooking and housekeeping abilities best............lol......[/QUOTE]I've heard their meant to be good at cooking, I like my soft tacos.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]A girl... how old is she?

Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything, Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.

They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.[/QUOTE]Hey man,

She's 23 shes not a Mexican resident last time she was in Mexico was at christmas to visit family and then went straight back to Ghana afterward to work, her dads from Ghana actually.

The one I speak to opened up to me pretty quick, thing is its so hard to find decent background info on Mexican women on the net regarding what their really like in bed, ive only been able to find a tid bit of info on a couple of messageboards about how jealous they are.

[QUOTE=El Monger]What was that? Sounds like an articulation for one self. You didnt say anything besides no one understans you. No offense and this is not a personal attack, but what the hell was that about?[/QUOTE]

What I wrote can be understood...READ IT SLOWLY!

Mine was a response to a series of posts directed toward me with respect to "MY" preferences and tactics, a response written in correct ENGLISH!!! It was written for "one's self," in defense of "ones's self," yes!!!

It is for "ME," and for "MY" sole gratification, made for "MY" purposes only, and for the purpose of communicating directly with "MY" amigos that frequent Monterrey. The fact that some like yourself simply do not have the capacity to process it, are not interested in reading it, do not agree with it, or do not understand it, is not my concern.

Like you, I don't mean any disrespect, nor is this a personal attack upon you either. But, since you brought it up in such a crass manner...

If you don't like it, then don't read it...simple as that. Your comment about the content of what I choose to write here has as much relevance to me as mine admittedly lacks for you.

When I start to change my ways, as a result of what others may think, or write, that will be the day...You must be new here... :-)))

[QUOTE=Amigomio]A girl... how old is she?

Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything, Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.

They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.[/QUOTE]She's 23, no she lives in Ghana know for work and only goes back to Mexico at Christmas.

In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.


[QUOTE=Cpalace82]She's 23, no she lives in Ghana know for work and only goes back to Mexico at Christmas.[/QUOTE]

USB says: "more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across."

Yes, and that is the undoing of the Mexican woman.
There comes a point that if the girl is open, socially and sexualy, she becomes a trophy for men to hunt.
Men will rate her as a girl that "likes it" and will only look for her for sex.

Slowly but surely she is pushed back by our macho dominated society into seclusion just because she wanted to be liberal.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.[/QUOTE]

very wisely put...that certainly is the basis for their undoing, and it is from that knowledge that i so often lament for the poor, misguided nicer girls we know in the clubs, realizing their true natures. but also realizing that their decision to do what they do in the bars is sometimes also made to better the lives of others, financially, and with respect to their futures.

some are depraved, some do it out of sacrifice, some out of laziness, some out of taking the path of least resistance, some out of greed, etc...i know a girl that recently, about a month ago, took a second job in a factory, working two jobs to pay the bills. she told me that it was literally killing her. she was quickly deciding that her job in the bar was not so bad. so, when you do the math, compared to the amount of work done in exchange for effort made in the jobs of the virtuous, according to her, a bar girl's job is comparatively very, very easy. if you aren't born into money, t's really a no-brainer if you have the looks, and the emotional and psychological fortitude to pull it off.

this is not something she was thinking prior to taking the factory job, which she said was far and away ten times the amount of work in retrospect. living a "chaste" girl's existence means working very, very hard to exist in a latin culture. the decision to demean one's self as a bar girl is not so hard to understand when you consider the alternatives, and when you also consider the consequences to the living standard that results from maintaining one's virtuosity.

but, apparently, many girls that literally could assume the job of a bar girl, having the looks and personality necessary to do so, choose an alternate path. as you and porker have told me, the overwhelming majority of girls in mexico, at least with respect to their virtuosity, are not in the category of the girls that we patronize, who are all ultimately labeled as spoiled goods.

optimistically speaking, for a guy like cpalace, who may have found the exception to what we routinely see in the bars, there may be hope for things progressing nicely with his amiga, who may just be one of the many apparently virtuous ones. however, ymmv, and the proof is still always in the pudding.

hopefully, among the more virtuous girls of mexico, there must be some pearls among the swine, girls that are more discerning than to give of themselves to all who seek only sexual favors from them, even if the result enriches them beyond their wildest dreams in comparison to their otherwise virtuous peers. those are the ones, the apparent vast majority of eligible girls in mexico, that could make a man's life paradise on earth.

i realize my sampling of mexican girls is skewed because of the category of girls i've sampled. but, based on the numbers, it seems to me i've sampled enough to sense a generalization about the overall sexuality of latin girls. literally, i believe almost all latin girls run about 30-40 degrees hotter than any other culture i've encountered.

were i a younger man, unattached, knowing what i know now about the nature of latin women, i would definitely seek a mate, girlfriend, wife, companion, etc..., one of latin origins, versus what is available in the us. i believe cpalace said he was in the uk i believe, and i really can't speak to the nature of women in that part of the world, only in comparison primarily to us, latin, and asian girls, ie:thailand, the pi, indonesia, china, cambodia, singapore, etc...but, i feel that i've sampled large enough number from each respective category to form some relatively accurate representative conclusions about their overall appeal.

i believe that based on experience in the three generalized cultures, asian, latin, and american, it boils down to cultural influences as having the primary influence that distinguishes them from one another. even if a potential latin candidate were available in the us, originally from latin cultural origins, but living in the us for anytime more than about two years, i would not want to choose from anyone that may have been tainted by our cultural influences here in the us. and, imho, asian girls are much more frigid than latin girls. so, the choice is clear for me.

there is something about their authentic latin origins that makes them profoundly attractive to me. as i have always said, attitude is everything, and the latin culture, even with it's inherent machoistic flaws, produces some of the most alluring women in existence worldwide, imho.

[quote=amigomio]usb says: "more loving and passionate than any other culture i've come across."

yes, and that is the undoing of the mexican woman.
there comes a point that if the girl is open, socially and sexualy, she becomes a trophy for men to hunt.
men will rate her as a girl that "likes it" and will only look for her for sex.

slowly but surely she is pushed back by our macho dominated society into seclusion just because she wanted to be liberal.[/quote]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.[/QUOTE]Interesting little article I found a while ago,the way they describe Mexican women their pretty spot on regarding the sentimentality she acts just the same way, whoever wrote did his homework.

[url]http://www.escapeartist.com/Travel_Mag/Issues/02/Dating_and_Sex_Around_the_World.html[/url]

[quote=unospongebob]optimistically speaking, for a guy like cpalace, who may have found the exception to what we routinely see in the bars, there may be hope for things progressing nicely with his amiga, who may just be one of the many apparently virtuous ones. however, ymmv, and the proof is still always in the pudding.

hopefully, among the more virtuous girls of mexico, there must be some pearls among the swine, girls that are more discerning than to give of themselves to all who seek only sexual favors from them, even if the result enriches them beyond their wildest dreams in comparison to their otherwise virtuous peers. those are the ones, the apparent vast majority of eligible girls in mexico, that could make a man's life paradise on earth.

i realize my sampling of mexican girls is skewed because of the category of girls i've sampled. but, based on the numbers, it seems to me i've sampled enough to sense a generalization about the overall sexuality of latin girls. literally, i believe almost all latin girls run about 30-40 degrees hotter than any other culture i've encountered.

were i a younger man, unattached, knowing what i know now about the nature of latin women, i would definitely seek a mate, girlfriend, wife, companion, etc..., one of latin origins, versus what is available in the us. i believe cpalace said he was in the uk i believe, and i really can't speak to the nature of women in that part of the world, only in comparison primarily to us, latin, and asian girls, ie:thailand, the pi, indonesia, china, cambodia, singapore, etc...but, i feel that i've sampled large enough number from each respective category to form some relatively accurate representative conclusions about their overall appeal.

i believe that based on experience in the three generalized cultures, asian, latin, and american, it boils down to cultural influences as having the primary influence that distinguishes them from one another. even if a potential latin candidate were available in the us, originally from latin cultural origins, but living in the us for anytime more than about two years, i would not want to choose from anyone that may have been tainted by our cultural influences here in the us. and, imho, asian girls are much more frigid than latin girls. so, the choice is clear for me.

there is something about their authentic latin origins that makes them profoundly attractive to me. as i have always said, attitude is everything, and the latin culture, even with it's inherent machoistic flaws, produces some of the most alluring women in existence worldwide, imho.[/quote]she does seem to have a good head on her shoulders from what ive learnt of her, i do think spending a year just chatting and getting to really know what shes about and what we have in common is what i needed if i was to consider inviting her to come visit me, otherwise i wouldnt have had a clue what to talk to her about when she was staying with me and that would have been a real drag. english women are okay but im after something diffrent ive had my fill of fake blondes englands overrun by them. i dont know what living in ghana has done for her but im curious to see. i dont know if you guys have noticed if mexican girls are clingy to their boyfriends, im not a guy that has to be with my chick all the time i do need my space.

my trip started out as bad as it can get. needless to say, i was in a bad mood. so when i arrived late at infinito and none of my regulars were available, let's just say i was not in a forgiving mood.

sweet p comes to me at closing time. sweet as ever with a bright smile. "will you wait for me to get dressed?" she asks. "where are we going?" i played the ignorant customer until she spelled it out ... let's go to your place. all three of us. this including her girlfriend who is a sweet 18 y/o knockout fake blond.

i did not touch her girlfriend. i was not in the mood so she eventually made her graceful exit after a little over an hour. sweet p gave all she could give and i let myself go on her. after 3 hours, she pegged to stop.

the next morning, i was still in a bad mood so i called lady j and asked her to come over. lady j is no longer working the business and had actually sold all her dancing outfits. she has a regular job and is very content. lady j is a true brazilian and does she fight for her man? she was sending the girls running for their lives when i was seeing her at the club. later when i take her with me for lunch at prestige, she made sure none of the girls that came to say hello to me stay over a minute. she gave them a clear message and they got it.

so .. here comes the fun part. carlos comes over around 1 pm and we're setting talking with the room door open. and that's when the brownies hit the fan. lady j walks in looking so pretty. i pull my hand... and feet .. away from sweet p as if i don't want lady j to see us together. they both instantly give me the look .. that look that says 'what the hell are you doing?" even carlos sat back to enjoy the show. i got pinched .. a lot .. by both as i was trying to maintain a loving balance between the both girls. i did not make either one feel she was second. i showed respect to both and sat next to each one for a little to show my affection. i knew deep inside they were both boiling with anger.

sweet p finally left and then sends carlos a txt msg telling him the following:

"please tell wasted not to talk to me anymore. if he sees me at the club, tell him not to try to talk to me as if he never knew me." i thought that was so sweet. just like a little girl breaking up.

i spent my time with lady j. had my fun and sent her on her way after about 5 hours. the i head out to infinito to face my destiny.

the entire club is now aware of the break up. all the girls come by and either tell me that i need punishment or asking why i made sweet p angry. sweet p did not look at me and kept avoiding me. but when i told the manager to grab sweet p by the ear and force her to set with me, she came .. unwillingly .. and sat next to me not saying a word.

i usually let the girls buy candy and nuts from the candy tray dude. each girl usually picks up a candy bar or some gum. this time, sweet p reaches for the biggest box on the tray. i asked her if she has money to pay for it. she got mad and returned it. but i was just teasing and bought it for her.

when i asked her if she does not want me any more, if she does not love me anymore, she said she does love but she is angry with me. ok. so i ask "how long will you be angry for so i would come back then." .... she got so mad and left.

when i talk to the other girls, i tell them that the one i lost the most is angry with me. when i tell them why, they all were shocked and told me i have been a bad boy.

i left to get some cash and on the way back, i stopped by a club i never entered before and i did not have any intentions of ever looking inside. but i thought a time away from the action would do me some good. turns out i was the only customer besides another table and i was buried with girls. one was hot so i took her for a ride after i had one other girl help me get her wet. she was squirming and just about ready to explode.

i head back to infinito 15 minutes before the end of the evening shift. sweet p and her girlfriend were in the line up when i pointed to her girlfriend to come down. she drags sweet p with her and says she is no longer angry with me. sweet p had this shy bride look blushing as she looks at me. she gives me a shy hug accompanied with a shy kiss. "i am not angry with you that much any more."

cool. let's go upstairs. we had some fun and they asked me if we were going out to the clubs tonight. sure ... but my friend lady j is coming too.

man, i can not even begin to describe the looks on their faces. it was like they were frozen in time. speechless. emotionless. just about ready to deliver a killer blow. but i did not care. if she does not like it, she can walk.

now, when she got dressed, she rushes out of the club with a quick look behind her as she leaves. i took it as if she was trying to sneak out on me. i got up walked out behind her and her other girlfriend. i pass by them without saying a word. sweet p and her girlfriend start calling out my name to come back. i return but with a disappointed look. "what's wrong?" nothing ... you want to leave go ahead. they both instantly started to explain to me when i asked why they sneaked out, both instantly start to explain that they were hiding from another girl who wanted to go out.. and she usually does, who wanted to go out with us. sure i said. i did not believe them until the third girlfriend comes out say that she managed to also sneak out without that girl seeing her. ok.. so they might be telling the truth.

i told them to go ahead and i will catch up with them after lady j comes. lady j was no show so i left. but i could not find them in the club so i left and headed to pasarellas to look for one my hot teen girls. no luck. i left to infinito's for a late shift sampling. got me one of those girls that i usually shy away from talking to. she was a professional dancer. very hot that i thought i could not handle her. she turned out to be a real sweetheart. a 21 y/o tiny little thing. she danced on me while i was deep inside her. she was fire.

a finally get to sleep at 6 am. got up at 4 pm and then was pleasantly surprised when i heard a door knock. i thought it was the house keeping lady so i open up and loved the sight of sweet p at the door. she does not work on sundays and usually spend the day with her family. yet, she took time off and came to see me.

i had previously agreed to pay for her hair extensions as a birthday gift. but when i found out how much it costs, i refused. she asked carlos to talk to me about it but i still insisted it was way too much and a waste of money. but now she wants me to split the cost with her. half and half. ok. so when we went out for dinner, i took out some cash and gave it to her.

sweet p is so so so loving when she wants something from me. she can have whatever she wants if she approaches me with that child-like 'please' attitude. she can charm me out of anything if she knew how powerful she can be. but she does not know that. she better not know that.

so there, if you love someone, set them free... i set her free. if she wants to leave, leave.

now i'm trying to figure out what to do with sweet p and lady j. they both want to have lunch with me. one is coming at 1 pm and the other at 2.

i'm waiting....

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]My trip started out as bad as it can get.[/QUOTE]



I enjoyed reading your escapades WastedG. It occurs to me that your escapades with your two girls is the basis for further discussion about our varied choices of methodology.

While your circumstances and the application of Cabronish methodology seemingly works well for you, within the context of apparently getting you what you want in Monterrey, it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, nor does it mean that she was not jealous in the emotional sense, behind the professional jealously that's part of their regular "routine."

When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl. Nobody can really know for sure with these girls. But, just my sixth sense, and witnessing her behavior first hand in the past, over a number of years now, tells me that your P girl was legitimately jealous and angry.

Now, with respect to the Cabronish methods, I agree with you that depending on what you're looking for in return from them, your methods seem to work for you perfectly well. But, how can a Cabronish attitude toward them, demonstrating to them a lack of caring for them beyond the obvious, demonstrating to them that it does not matter whether you see them or not, serve the hybrid GFE'er well with respect to soliciting any actual depth of feeling from them for overall legitimate long-term effect, void of any "act" on their part for monetary gain?

My big question about the "Cabronish" methodology, and where I take issue with that methodology for my own self, is in it being able to solicit a "true" legitimate emotional attachment. And, it can be best illustrated by asking one question. Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

So, while I totally agree with you about using those methods with MOST of the girls for the run of the mill purposes for most, I do not believe that method works if you are interested in experiencing the hybrid GFE, and experiencing what a "deeper" meaning has to offer.

I am not saying that anyone should seek a deeper meaning in what we do necessarily. I'm just saying that there is simply no way that a legitimate deeper meaning, if that is what one enjoys, is perpetuated by using Cabronish methods. And, to go even further, to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them, assuming of course, that they are not being totally disingenuous in their professed feelings to begin with, which is always a possibility with the kinds of girls we're dealing with.

I am here to say also say that while many will not believe that a deeper meaning is possible with these kinds of girls, I am also here to testify that it IS most certainly possible. It's a matter of choices, to choose methodologies that solicit what you're looking for. If you're getting all that you seek in what you like from your methods, then nobody can argue with your methods, and I accept them as productive for you.

And...entertaining....:-)))

Say hello to my Angel...:-))) Tell her I miss her.

Your sixth sense is wrong.
I also treat the girls the same way and the track record is one or more girls per club. Right now I have so many girls that I can't see them all.
I even got texted yesterday by my Casino night girl while being at the Obsession with my afternoon shift girl sitting on my side.
She got angry and demanded that I didn't answer at all cause she's "the only one".
And I did exactly what Wasted does: I didn't pay attention, I just answered the message.
You see? That is the point you don't get.
We don't let the girls get their way.
We get our way with the girls and that can be obtained both being a "cabron" and/or a nice guy.
The thing is how to do it.

And of course the girls have legit feelings for us.
The girls are not made of stone and both Wasted's and my style go straight to the girl's feelings. That is part of getting our way with them. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't get 100% of our money.
But we still need to read them right or a revolution might occur.

And this is not true: "to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them"

Nope... again a rotund "nope".

There are girls that need to be treated a little rough and there are girls that like it nice and soft.

By rough I mean, we as customers acting tough and inflexible with money, the way we treat them, how we see them, how we deal with them, how we act with other girls and her at the same time.

Angry Girl is one of the girls that likes (and I repeat, "likes") to be treated rough, but your style does not go that way and the soft aproach on these kind of girls only hits you back straight in the eye.
Being soft and nice with rough girls will get you no where and whatever you do, will not straighten them out.

But girls like Angry Girl on the other hand are a total waste of time. They might be good for one or 2 sorties but nothing more. Their type can just not be molded with soft or hard ways.

And this aplies to your system: girls that like it rough and tough (95% of the girls) might go for the novelty of a soft and gentelman touch, but that style outlasts it's novelty pretty darn quickly and they on their hand quickly revert to their system of closing all openings and returning to their ways of controling the customer.
Once the gaps close, there is no way of opening them again.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I enjoyed reading your escapades WastedG. It occurs to me that your escapades with your two girls is the basis for further discussion about our varied choices of methodology.

While your circumstances and the application of Cabronish methodology seemingly works well for you, within the context of apparently getting you what you want in Monterrey, it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, nor does it mean that she was not jealous in the emotional sense, behind the professional jealously that's part of their regular "routine."

When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl. Nobody can really know for sure with these girls. But, just my sixth sense, and witnessing her behavior first hand in the past, over a number of years now, tells me that your P girl was legitimately jealous and angry.

Now, with respect to the Cabronish methods, I agree with you that depending on what you're looking for in return from them, your methods seem to work for you perfectly well. But, how can a Cabronish attitude toward them, demonstrating to them a lack of caring for them beyond the obvious, demonstrating to them that it does not matter whether you see them or not, serve the hybrid GFE'er well with respect to soliciting any actual depth of feeling from them for overall legitimate long-term effect, void of any "act" on their part for monetary gain?

My big question about the "Cabronish" methodology, and where I take issue with that methodology for my own self, is in it being able to solicit a "true" legitimate emotional attachment. And, it can be best illustrated by asking one question. Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

So, while I totally agree with you about using those methods with MOST of the girls for the run of the mill purposes for most, I do not believe that method works if you are interested in experiencing the hybrid GFE, and experiencing what a "deeper" meaning has to offer.

I am not saying that anyone should seek a deeper meaning in what we do necessarily. I'm just saying that there is simply no way that a legitimate deeper meaning, if that is what one enjoys, is perpetuated by using Cabronish methods. And, to go even further, to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them, assuming of course, that they are not being totally disingenuous in their professed feelings to begin with, which is always a possibility with the kinds of girls we're dealing with.

I am here to say also say that while many will not believe that a deeper meaning is possible with these kinds of girls, I am also here to testify that it IS most certainly possible. It's a matter of choices, to choose methodologies that solicit what you're looking for. If you're getting all that you seek in what you like from your methods, then nobody can argue with your methods, and I accept them as productive for you.

And...entertaining....:-)))

Say hello to my Angel...:-))) Tell her I miss her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Your sixth sense is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying, then, that I should try your ways in all circumstances with ALL of my girls? So, you think that if I do, the outcome will be better for me? Or, will it sabotage me in some, and prove me successful in others? You see, there are some girls where I agree with you, and there are some girls where I disagree with you.

Simply put, I do not want such experimentation to negatively influence circumstances where I am sooooo successful currently, where I am in absolute paradise with certain ones of them NOW...that's the bottom line.

If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

Theory is one thing, but living with defeat is quite another when you know that what you're currently enjoying is working quite well with absolutely NO CHANGES. There are already too many outside influences that I have no control over that can, and do, influence my scenarios, sometimes negatively. And, afterall, there are many clubs to experiment with tactics where one does not soil one's own nest. I DO NOT want to foul-up a good thing just to see if the alternative could be...what??? better???? Not possible under the current circumstances with some!!!

I WILL employ the Cabronish tactics with my little manipulator in El Prestige. Lets experiment there first. That should demonstrate whether the Cabronish methods will work for me there. I have already tried everything else with her.

So, what do you advise...How should I play that scenario?

Somewhere along the line, with editing a changing stuff, I must have deleted the line that said more or less "your style is being soft and gentlemanish to the girls".
That's it. Your style is that one. No changes are available, but adjusting a little to the side of the girls is possible.

No, one thing to be realized is that you, USB will not be able from one day to another change to a real "cabron" guy.
We have discussed this over the years, that your original style works really good for you. Really, really good.
Specially when you modified your aproach with the cookies.
But you have becomed a little overconfident with this aproach. You think it's fool proof and that it will work with ALL the girls.
That's mistake #1.
Mistake #2 is that is once you establish a rapport with the girl, you think you've done the job. You broke the ice... and that's not true.
You've established rapport but that doesn't mean at all you have control of the situation. None
The other way around: You have failed to notice the girl controling you.
(This aplies to the Prestrige N girl and the one you paid salida at the Harem, the one I openly told you right in front of her that she was not worth it).

This is why you are dissapointed, cause it use to give you good results.
This is my point, you are overconfident that your approach works.
And YES, your approach works, but you have forgotten to pay attention to the mechanics of it.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Are you saying, then, that I should try your ways in all circumstances with ALL of my girls? So, you think that if I do, the outcome will be better for me? Or, will it sabotage me in some, and prove me successful in others? You see, there are some girls where I agree with you, and there are some girls where I disagree with you.

Simply put, I do not want such experimentation to negatively influence circumstances where I am sooooo successful currently, where I am in absolute paradise with certain ones of them NOW...that's the bottom line.

If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

Theory is one thing, but living with defeat is quite another when you know that what you're currently enjoying is working quite well with absolutely NO CHANGES. Afterall, there are many clubs to experiment with tactics where one does not soil one's own nest. I DO NOT want to foul-up a good thing just to see if the alternative could be...what??? better???? Not possible in current circumstances!!![/QUOTE]

Bob, I will try to answer your points one at a time:

1) Yes, Sweet P does in fact have legitimate feelings for me. It's been 3 years now. I took her on salida when she first started working. I've become a known figure with her family. She replies to her mom, sister and friends that she is with her husband and they all understand it's Wasted.

Now get this: She is now asking if she can come home with me. She is going to look into getting a visa. .... we'll see what will happen. I am not taking this issue too seriously. She is not the first and she will not be the last. Besides, I am almost confident she will not get a visa.

I abandoned her a couple of times and she always comes back.

Now this time, she really lost the war because she returned after she asked me to act like we never met. She cannot use that card again.

2) Lady J loves me. She never let me down and never ever bail out on a date. She showers me with affection and she 'claims' I am the only she is seeing now. Bullshit.

3) Yes, I would employ this method ... as in same fashion .. with my wife. As a matter of fact, this is probably why we have been together for so long. I am extremely good to her but she knows better not to get me angry.

4) I guarantee you this: If you try this at home ... I mean Infinito, you will fall flat on your face. You did before. It's like watch someone drive and saying "hey, I can do that" but all you've been watching is how to handle the steering wheel.

Carlos and I team up on the girls. We help each other out. We up-talk each other to the girls. We tell them they would be fools if they do not hold on to us because they will not find a better customer. It works. Most of the time. Of course it does not work when Carlos has his eyes on the girl I want. That son of a fish.



5) Entertaining you said? You bet. Carlos sat down to watch fire fireworks and then lived it when he became the messenger. And when at Infinito, drama filled the club that night. All the girls knew and the manager forced her to set with me. All the while I was enjoying watching evens fold and watching the results of my actions. Down to asking her if she was going to pay for the candy she chose. The fun part was watching Sweet P come down the stage with a blush. I did not think she could blush. She did not blush when I told the hotel front desk that my toilet was plugged because she took a big dump. I think It was Carlos who used it last thou.

Yes, it's fun. I admit that Sweet P's feelings were hurt. But I am sure she's very happy now since she got me to pay for half her hair extension.

So no. Don't do it.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
1) .....it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, .....

2) When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl.

3) Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

4) If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

5) And...entertaining....:-)))
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, I will try to answer your points one at a time:[/QUOTE]

Well, guys, Carlos and WastedG, I am willing to try it with my N girl at Prestige. I know better than to change my spots with the girls I am successful with now. They like me for the way I am to them, and I do not want to burst that bubble. Obviously, why change what works. But, in cases where certain tactics of mine are not working, I have nothing to lose.

So, guys, give me exact recommendations. When I see the N girl next, how should I play it?

WastedG, while you're there, have Carlos introduce you to my N girl and make an assessment. Give me your best advise. I'll try it. On the N girl, I have nothing to lose.

Didn't the both of us, Carlos and I, just say, "Don't do it"? ;-)

But anyways, that N girl? I already know her and I already had my way with her. But ... she would be a perfect target to practice on. Although I strongly believe you will not be able to do it. You are too nice of a guy. This is besides the fact that Prestige girls are too tough to get under control. They expect you to by them cars and SUV's. My regular "V" just returned to work after she has been with a client for a few months already. He bought her a car. And Fernanda at Obsession? She got an SUV. These girls expect something besides being the cabron. They want the rich carbon that will buy them a car.

So far, I managed to get 4 Prestige girl out and a couple of the Obsession. And to tell you the truth, it was effortless. I recall the first time I had Fernanda. I did not ask for her again. Since then on, when I walk into the club, she yells out and screams my name and does not leave my side until she finally got the hint.

The other one, if you recall my Monterrey dream girl, it took me forever to get her to come to my hotel. When she finally did, she was coming over every night and had become X girl's squeeze.

Last 2, one was Carlos' little young hot one. But she came only because Carlos gave her permission. Still, that stinker Carlos made her feel so guilty she begged for forgiveness... all because he was being a cabron.

When RTW came down for the first time, I helped him take one Obsession girl out, if you recall, on the same day they met. She showed up to everyone's surprise and to also get in deep trouble because she was seen with him.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Well, guys, Carlos and WastedG, I am willing to try it with my N girl at Prestige. I know better than to change my spots with the girls I am successful with now. They like me for the way I am to them, and I do not want to burst that bubble. Obviously, why change what works. But, in cases where certain tactics of mine are not working, I have nothing to lose.

So, guys, give me exact recommendations. When I see the N girl next, how should I play it?

WastedG, while you're there, have Carlos introduce you to my N girl and make an assessment. Give me your best advise. I'll try it. On the N girl, I have nothing to lose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Angry Girl is one of the girls that likes (and I repeat, "likes") to be treated rough/QUOTE]

Remember one thing...You knew Angry Girl when she was a DRUG ADDICT. She is not that way, not really. Remember, I knew her long before the drugs ruined her. It was obvious to me that the drugs altered her personality. The last time I saw her, she was no longer the "Angry Girl," but behaved as her old self.

Drugs do that. I hope she stays off them.

May I kindly ask what the hell is this: "My angel plays an innocent but emotionally painful game with me, devouring me for her own gratification in the moment, never really intending to hurt me, she not even realizing the extent of the damage she inflicts upon me emotionally, pain resulting from the intensity of her affections, and the sudden withdrawal so harshly imposed by our geography apart."

Do you read what you write?
This is plain evidence that the girls, not "girl".... girls, have YOU under control, not the other way around.

You should care less what they do to you.
You should care less what they think of you.
They should care what you can do to them.
They should care what you think of them.

You need to stop wanting them and them knowing that.
That is your weakness.
And that opening has been exploited by the girls fully.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I was supposed to come down to Monterrey soon, but I have not even purchased my plane tickets, realizing that for each day I see "her," I will suffer thirty days of pure hell afterward, being taunted over the bliss I experienced for one or two days, and being made acutely aware of her absence the rest of the month, missing her attentions like no other for the thirty days I am isolated back in the US.

My angel plays an innocent but emotionally painful game with me, devouring me for her own gratification in the moment, never really intending to hurt me, she not even realizing the extent of the damage she inflicts upon me emotionally, pain resulting from the intensity of her affections, and the sudden withdrawal so harshly imposed by our geography apart.

Some of the girls play the game with malice, some with purely financial motivations, some for fun...She plays the game with other motivations in mind I believe, but oblivious to the consequences she inflicts on me resulting from the intensity of her affections, made with love and sincerity, but the consequences of which she is totally oblivious to.

I can tolerate, and even enjoy, the girls that knowingly play their routine games with me. It's the ones, like my Angel, that are sincere in their affections. Their affections are like endless torture that follows me back to the US each time I visit Monterrey.

You are right...I am not the Cabron. Perhaps this "softy" should just stay here in the vast wasteland to work on casting off this monkey on his back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]May I kindly ask...[/QUOTE]

Yes, of course, you may kindly ask...:-))) But, you are wrong in your assessment of me.

My scenario with Angel Girl is like someone pulled back the curtain on the wizard of Oz. I had such a romantic and legitimized hybrid GFE thing going with her. It was, and could possibly still be. But, the emotional torture...You do not realize the extent of my sacrifice in bringing about this kind of scenario...the emotional cost to me is tremendous.

ONE girl has my heart, Angel Girl, that's IT! I could NOT CARE LESS about the rest of them, period. One girl holds the key to what motivates me, not any of the rest of them. The rest of them have NO influence on me whatsoever. Watch how quickly I return for the "REST OF THEM." How much power do you think the rest of them possess if I choose to remain here in the States?

But, there are other alternatives...

I contemplate the use of that free voucher airline ticket from Continental...$500 bucks to be used to go anywhere I choose...and, time is running out for Monterrey.

We are still talking about a paying customer and a sex provider relationship, right?

To tell you the truth, I wanted to say a hooker but I thought that would be rude. But come on. Why fool ourselves? Yes, They are cute little hookers. Our regular girls are cute little hookers. And we are the paying customers.

This is whom we are talking about, right?


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]

ONE girl has my heart, Angel Girl, that's IT! I could NOT CARE LESS about the rest of them, period. One girl holds the key to what motivates me, not any of the rest of them. The rest of them have NO influence on me whatsoever. Watch how quickly I return for the "REST OF THEM." How much power do you think the rest of them possess if I choose to remain here in the States?

But, there are other alternatives...

I contemplate the use of that free voucher airline ticket from Continental...$500 bucks to be used to go anywhere I choose...and, time is running out for Monterrey.[/QUOTE]

Unspongebob mentioned the Maxi forte pills some posts ago, the generic version of Viagra being sold by the generic drugstores of the downtown area.

I gave them a try, bought a bottle of 4 pills a couple of weeks ago.
Cost,, 180 pesos, half the cost of the same amount of blue pills.
For starters, they come in a bottle several sizes to large for just 4 pills.
The pills are yellow, larger than the 50 mg Viagra dose but not big enough to choke on them.
I defintly liked the price and also I liked cause they are easy to cut (with a pill cutter), much more than Viagra, which I always tended to split them in to damn irregular shapes of different sizes.

I noticed that the yellow formula hits you faster than the blue one.
Under subjective consideration, Tweety Bird pills seem to be a tiny less time efective than the Smurf pill counterparts.
Not much... I don't know.
You know, it depends on what you have eaten, etc.

Strength.... same.
No complaint on that.

Would buy them again over Viagra... yes.

An interesting, but relevant piece of history...

Some might think that the word hooker comes from the idea that they are "hooking" their clients, etc...But, the original origins of the use of the word actually were popularized in association with Maj. Gen. Joseph "Fighting Joe" Hooker (1814-79) during the US civil war.

Popular stories attribute the word hooker to the general Hooker in several different ways; sometimes it is said that his men were especially desirous of prostitutes when on leave, and sometimes one hears that Hooker actually let his men keep prostitutes in the barracks.

Some historians have suggested that hooker was, if not coined, at least popularized during the Civil War, and that our general was indeed the cause of this popularization.

The true origin of hooker seems to be the earlier verb hook meaning 'to entice; swindle', and the agent suffix -er, with hooker thus meaning literally 'a person that entices; a swindler'.

I can say that my Angel does not, not in any way, swindle me. She delivers sincerely felt love and affection to me. Sometimes I pay her, sometimes I do not. In our circumstance, therefore, that is not a hooker. Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?...of course not. To us, they are not hookers, they are amigovias. We pay them, sometimes, just as we pay for everything else in this world, for time and effort. The girls simply can not afford, financially, to spend their time with us otherwise. I have contemplated this long and hard, and I've concluded that just because we pay them, it does not mean they don't want to be there, nor does it mean that we are nothing more to them than income. I simply do not believe that. My angel, and a select few others, have dispelled that theory so often that it is simply no longer a doubt in my mind.

But, the financial demands that are a part of everyday life do not go away just because there is sincere love, friendship, affection, and attachment. Consider this, would your wife stay with you if you threw her out on the sidewalk, paid for nothing, and if you acted toward her as though she were manipulating you, in it only for the money and security of your nest? Of course not.

Certainly, one should not compare our relationships with our girls with the commitment of our wives. But, we should also not unfairly categorize our best girls, ones that demonstrate their own brand of commitment to us, as merely hookers, there only because of the money. That is not accurate either. Our girls are somewhere between the crack***** hooker and our wives, in varying degrees, according to their own feelings and attachments to us. My best girls are along the spectrum, in varying degrees, some closer to wifey, some further away from wifey, but my Angel Girl is much closer to a positioning nearer my wife than a crack***** hooker, certainly.

My relationship with Angel Girl is complicated. I realize that I can expect no more of her, and I am really comforted by the knowledge that she is there for me, there for me with her sincerity of affection. Simply put, to patronize a typical hooker in place of her would be a total and complete disappointment. Therefore, in my mind, she is something much more than a hooker, and I also know that in her mind, I am something much more than a client. That is pretty special, and it comforts us both, knowing there is legitimate caring for each other, she more than a hooker, I more than a client, but even something more than just friends.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]We are still talking about a paying customer and a sex provider relationship, right?

To tell you the truth, I wanted to say a hooker but I thought that would be rude. But come on. Why fool ourselves? Yes, They are cute little hookers. Our regular girls are cute little hookers. And we are the paying customers.

This is whom we are talking about, right?[/QUOTE]

I noticed that they are not seemingly quite as consistent in the way they work. Did you find that to be true as well, Carlos? As you indicated, there seems to be either a delay, or even an inconsistent potency issue with them on occasion.

I agree that they're easier to cut, and I notice too that they're pretty mild, in the sense that they do not cause the terrible side effects of the 100mg Viagra. Even when you cut the 100mg Viagra into pieces, you will still get some really uncomfortable sinus and headache issues, and even some heartburn.

Carlos recommended that I try cutting the 50mg tablets into halves, and that does work quite well to reduce the side effects, almost no sinus or headache issues, no heartburn. And, I think that possibly the little yellow pills might even produce less than the side effects of the 50mg Viagra pill. But, sometimes, the yellow pills seem just slightly less effective in comparison to Viagra. I also notice that Cialis is slightly less effective for me than Viagra as well.

My only apprehension at taking the yellow pill is whether they're manufacturer is as consistent as Pfizer in their formulation mix, relative to consistent performance. Does anybody know where the yellow pills are manufactured? I guess that is always somewhat of a concern. With Viagra, I am little more confident they are safe, and even though the yellow pills are cheaper, I find myself still wanting to use the 50mg Viagra if given the choice.

Viagra just seems a little more reliably consistent in performance for me based on my early, and still inconclusive, testing.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Unspongebob mentioned the Maxi forte pills some posts ago, the generic version of Viagra being sold by the generic drugstores of the downtown area.

I gave them a try, bought a bottle of 4 pills a couple of weeks ago.
Cost,, 180 pesos, half the cost of the same amount of blue pills.
For starters, they come in a bottle several sizes to large for just 4 pills.
The pills are yellow, larger than the 50 mg Viagra dose but not big enough to choke on them.
I defintly liked the price and also I liked cause they are easy to cut (with a pill cutter), much more than Viagra, which I always tended to split them in to damn irregular shapes of different sizes.

I noticed that the yellow formula hits you faster than the blue one.
Under subjective consideration, Tweety Bird pills seem to be a tiny less time efective than the Smurf pill counterparts.
Not much... I don't know.
You know, it depends on what you have eaten, etc.

Strength.... same.
No complaint on that.

Would buy them again over Viagra... yes.[/QUOTE]

The key word here is "slightly".

The difference is noticable, but at the same time am sure you take them after eating something.
Depending on what you eat, makes that difference.

Iam satisfied with the Tweety Bird pills... specially pricewise.

PS: the correct name of the pills is "Maxifort"



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I noticed that they are not seemingly quite as consistent in the way they work. Did you find that to be true as well, Carlos? As you indicated, there seems to be either a delay, or even an inconsistent potency issue with them on occasion.

I agree that they're easier to cut, and I notice too that they're pretty mild, in the sense that they do not cause the terrible side effects of the 100mg Viagra. Even when you cut the 100mg Viagra into pieces, you will still get some really uncomfortable sinus and headache issues, and even some heartburn.

Carlos recommended that I try cutting the 50mg tablets into halves, and that does work quite well to reduce the side effects, almost no sinus or headache issues, no heartburn. And, I think that possibly the little yellow pills might even produce less than the side effects of the 50mg Viagra pill. But, sometimes, the yellow pills seem just slightly less effective in comparison to Viagra. I also notice that Cialis is slightly less effective for me than Viagra as well.

My only apprehension at taking the yellow pill is whether they're manufacturer is as consistent as Pfizer in their formulation mix, relative to consistent performance. Does anybody know where the yellow pills are manufactured? I guess that is always somewhat of a concern. With Viagra, I am little more confident they are safe, and even though the yellow pills are cheaper, I find myself still wanting to use the 50mg Viagra if given the choice.

Viagra just seems a little more reliably consistent in performance for me based on my early, and still inconclusive, testing.[/QUOTE]

" Some might think that the word hooker comes from the idea that they are "hooking" their clients, etc...But, the original origins of the use of the word actually were popularized in association with Maj. Gen. Joseph "Fighting Joe" Hooker (1814-79) during the US civil war "

Bob - That's just urban legend . . . American urban legend. The term HOOKER was used 20-30 years at least before the US Civil War, both in England and the US.

Maybe it became more popular here in the US due to his name, but it existed long before.


From WiKi . . .

" Despite Hooker's reputation as a hard-drinking ladies' man, there is no basis for the popular legend that the slang term for prostitutes is derived from his last name because of parties and a lack of military discipline at his headquarters. Some versions of the legend claim that the band of prostitutes that followed his division were derisively referred to as "General Hooker's Army" or "Hooker's Brigade. Another version claims that Hooker used to keep a band of "soiled doves" in camp, and whenever a stranger to the camp asked a soldier about the identity of these women, he was told "They're Hooker's."[citation needed] However, the term "hooker" was used in print as early as 1845, years before Hooker was a public figure. The prevalence of the Hooker legend may have been at least partly responsible for the popularity of the term. "

What first put me on to this was...I was in a hotel on business watching TV Monday night, and on comes a documentary about prostitution and the Civil War. Imagine, a program solely about that subject. Imagine that...what will they think of next?

Of course, they related the stories of General Hooker, and they also made claims that the term originated with him. Historically, I also knew that was not the case as I am a bit of a history buff myself.

You are quite correct that the term was not coined through the exploits of General Hooker, but it is believed that the use of the term in the US was popularized during the Civil War due to Hooker's notoriety, and the scandalous sensationalism of the time.

You ARE paying attention... :-)

[QUOTE=Prokofiev] Bob - That's just urban legend . . . American urban legend. The term HOOKER was used 20-30 years at least before the US Civil War, both in England and the US.[/QUOTE]

OK Bob. Here are the facts:

1-My Sweet P is a hooker.
2-My Lady J is a hooker.
3-My Crunchy S is a crunchy hooker.
4-My Slutty S is a slutty hooker.
5-My non-working 18 y/o girl (NON WORKING) is a non-working hooker.
6-My 18 y/o Brenda from a non SC bar is a damn hot hot hooker.
7-My Monterrey 'dream come true' hottest girl in Monterrey is a hooker.
8-Every single girl that works in the club and gets paid for sex is a hooker.

Sweet P stands with her hand on her hip and puts out her other hand "Wasted, dame dinero."

I have never, at any time, no way, no how, ever taken any of these girls back to my room and not pay them. I have never taken any upstairs and not pay them. Well, except for this one time when Carlos' previous hot D girl gave me my birthday gift.

"Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?..." Of course she does. I dare you not pay G girl 2 or 3 consecutive trips and make it clear that you have intentions of paying. Tell me how long she will be 'your' G girl.

Yes Bob, they are only there for the money. Maybe better company and more fun than other clients. But if I do not pay at the end of the day, I only expect to see her again when she returns to collect.

And I will never categories those girls as our wives. Not even close. I joke, even though everyone knows that Sweet P is my Monterrey wife number 1, about her being my wife. But this last trip I told her that her fake blond girlfriend is my number 2 Monterrey wife. So, if she gets angry with me again, I will instantly replace her with her close girlfriend.

When I was labeling each of the girls, I labeled Sweet P as my number 1 wife and my Crunchy S as my ****. She asked me if she was my number 1 ****.

Come on Bob. Wake up and smell the fish. We can get as close as we can to those girl, that will not change the fact that they are still hookers. We may get used to the idea and start justifying the ends because of the needs, but they are still hookers. We could sincerely care for those girls but that will not change the fact that ..... if we do not pay them, they will be saying "Next ..."

At one point, Sweet P was so relaxed and worry free with me that she excused herself from my table so she can go service a mufo who has been waiting for her. I told that she has 2 options. She can leave but to never come back or if she does not leave to never ever repeat this stupidly sickening mistake again. She could not stop thinking and acting like a hooker. Oh, and she stayed.

What the hell do you call a girl who dances naked on stage with about 75 drunk hoodlums groping her and when she's done, some of those mufos line up waiting to take her upstairs?

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
I can say that my Angel does not, not in any way, swindle me. She delivers sincerely felt love and affection to me. Sometimes I pay her, sometimes I do not. In our circumstance, therefore, that is not a hooker. Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?...of course not. To us, they are not hookers, they are amigovias. We pay them, sometimes, just as we pay for everything else in this world, for time and effort. The girls simply can not afford, financially, to spend their time with us otherwise. I have contemplated this long and hard, and I've concluded that just because we pay them, it does not mean they don't want to be there, nor does it mean that we are nothing more to them than income. I simply do not believe that. My angel, and a select few others, have dispelled that theory so often that it is simply no longer a doubt in my mind.

But, we should also not unfairly categorize our best girls, ones that demonstrate their own brand of commitment to us, as merely hookers, there only because of the money. That is not accurate either. Our girls are somewhere between the crack***** hooker and our wives, in varying degrees, according to their own feelings and attachments to us. My best girls are along the spectrum, in varying degrees, some closer to wifey, some further away from wifey, but my Angel Girl is much closer to a positioning nearer my wife than a crack***** hooker, certainly.
[/QUOTE]

Check out my response in the USB Section...

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]OK Bob. Here are the facts:

1-My Sweet P is a hooker.
2-My Lady J is a hooker.
3-My Crunchy S is a crunchy hooker.
4-My Slutty S is a slutty hooker.
5-My non-working 18 y/o girl (NON WORKING) is a non-working hooker.
6-My 18 y/o Brenda from a non SC bar is a damn hot hot hooker.
7-My Monterrey 'dream come true' hottest girl in Monterrey is a hooker.
8-Every single girl that works in the club and gets paid for sex is a hooker.

Sweet P stands with her hand on her hip and puts out her other hand "Wasted, dame dinero."

I have never, at any time, no way, no how, ever taken any of these girls back to my room and not pay them. I have never taken any upstairs and not pay them. Well, except for this one time when Carlos' previous hot D girl gave me my birthday gift.

"Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?..." Of course she does. I dare you not pay G girl 2 or 3 consecutive trips and make it clear that you have intentions of paying. Tell me how long she will be 'your' G girl.

Yes Bob, they are only there for the money. Maybe better company and more fun than other clients. But if I do not pay at the end of the day, I only expect to see her again when she returns to collect.

And I will never categories those girls as our wives. Not even close. I joke, even though everyone knows that Sweet P is my Monterrey wife number 1, about her being my wife. But this last trip I told her that her fake blond girlfriend is my number 2 Monterrey wife. So, if she gets angry with me again, I will instantly replace her with her close girlfriend.

When I was labeling each of the girls, I labeled Sweet P as my number 1 wife and my Crunchy S as my ****. She asked me if she was my number 1 ****.

Come on Bob. Wake up and smell the fish. We can get as close as we can to those girl, that will not change the fact that they are still hookers. We may get used to the idea and start justifying the ends because of the needs, but they are still hookers. We could sincerely care for those girls but that will not change the fact that ..... if we do not pay them, they will be saying "Next ..."

At one point, Sweet P was so relaxed and worry free with me that she excused herself from my table so she can go service a mufo who has been waiting for her. I told that she has 2 options. She can leave but to never come back or if she does not leave to never ever repeat this stupidly sickening mistake again. She could not stop thinking and acting like a hooker. Oh, and she stayed.

What the hell do you call a girl who dances naked on stage with about 75 drunk hoodlums groping her and when she's done, some of those mufos line up waiting to take her upstairs?[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have an opinion of the Crowne Plaza downtown? I doubt it's girl friendly but what about the location and that stuff?

Yep, it ain't girl friendly.
You'd need to have a car to park downstairs and jump directly into the elevator and then your floor.
Security is right there at the doors of the elevators.

Ok, location and stuff.
It's on my Google Map.
The link's on the #7 post on Reports of Distinction .
It's in the hotel district, that places you not walking distance from the clubs but a taxi ride away.
The clubs close to the CP are the Spugna and the Reno, which are rippoffs.
The hotel is good, they have an incredible Sunday lunch buffet.
The Lobby Bar is legendary cause on Fridays and Saturdays you can pick civilian girls there.
But that brings us back to square one... you can't take them to the room.

A much better hotel choice is the Sheraton Ambassador, but am sure you mention the CP cause you have points to cash????




[QUOTE=Doubt98]Does anyone have an opinion of the Crowne Plaza downtown? I doubt it's girl friendly but what about the location and that stuff?[/QUOTE]

Yes I do have points. And the Sunday buffet is incredible? Cool. On the web site they are offering a deal for 5000 points a night. I think that is about 15000 off the normal.

I pulled it up off your map earlier. That map is a stroke of genius! Thanks again for all your work. You've been working on perfecting a map for a while now. I think you've done it.

You are lucky cause am going to start charging for the map!

No really, the Sundy lunch buffete IS incredible.



[QUOTE=Doubt98]Yes I do have points. And the Sunday buffet is incredible? Cool. On the web site they are offering a deal for 5000 points a night. I think that is about 15000 off the normal.

I pulled it up off your map earlier. That map is a stroke of genius! Thanks again for all your work. You've been working on perfecting a map for a while now. I think you've done it.[/QUOTE]

I tried a different dosage of the Maxifort pills, the Tweety Bird ones.

Tried half a pill and yes, in less than half an hour I couldn't stand from the seat at the club cause I looked awkward pointing thru my pants.
That means it hits faster and effectively than Smurf ones
Again, how much they last... dunno. The effect lingers but there is a point that "lingers" mixes with my normal super macho capacities, so I just don't know which is which.

NOW... something I noticed this time.
I posted that they cut easily.
This TIME... they crumbled when split. So I ended with more waste than last time I tried cutting them.



[QUOTE=Amigomio]The key word here is "slightly".

The difference is noticable, but at the same time am sure you take them after eating something.
Depending on what you eat, makes that difference.

Iam satisfied with the Tweety Bird pills... specially pricewise.

PS: the correct name of the pills is "Maxifort"[/QUOTE]

I tried half a pill of the tweety bird pill as well, but it did not have that same kind of effect as you experienced. It was perfectly effective, but I did not have an uncontrollable hard-on. You must have also had some additional effective stimulus there to help it along. Unfortunately, here in the wilderness of the heartland, we have NO strip clubs to serve as a more thorough testing ground for such things.

Actually, I recall thinking that the half dosage of the tweety bird pill really did not cause the flushing or the warming sensation I sometimes get with the half dosage of the 50Mg Viagra. The 50Mg half dosage of Viagra is actually quite mild, and it seems to work really well most of the time. But, I sometimes still sense a little flushing from it, and sometimes I also sense that I might need the full 50Mg to be the stud we all know I CAN be :-)))). I believe it produces a slightly more consistently stronger erection than the tweety bird pill however. I supposed it just depends on the circumstances of your body at the time, ie: taking it on full stomach, being tired, ugly tall wide girl :-))) etc...

But, Carlos, I can not thank you enough for your recommendation to reduce to the 50Mg Viagra tablet. That makes life much more comfortable. There have been times that I thought that the after effects of cutting the 100Mg tablet, even into fourths, was simply not worth the headache and sinus pressure, even at 1/4 dosages.

I'll test out some more of the tweety bird pills at 1/2 dosage as well and report accordingly, but so far, it seems even milder than the Viagra with respect to after effects, and at a reduced cost. Because, I remember thinking that going to a 50Mg Viagra tablet was going to be quite a bit more costly than buying the 100Mg tablets and cutting them up. So, if the tweety bird tablets work as well, the cost issue is moot, and the tweety bird tablet will have won my endorsement.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]I tried a different dosage of the Maxifort pills, the Tweety Bird ones.

Tried half a pill and yes, in less than half an hour I couldn't stand from the seat at the club cause I looked awkward pointing thru my pants.
That means it hits faster and effectively than Smurf ones
Again, how much they last... dunno. The effect lingers but there is a point that "lingers" mixes with my normal super macho capacities, so I just don't know which is which.

NOW... something I noticed this time.
I posted that they cut easily.
This TIME... they crumbled when split. So I ended with more waste than last time I tried cutting them.[/QUOTE]

That is true, proportionately speaking, 50 mg Viagra is more expensive than the 100 mg.

By the way, is there a generic presentation of Cialis just like Maxifort is for Viagra???



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I tried half a pill of the tweety bird pill as well, but it did not have that same kind of effect as you experienced. It was perfectly effective, but I did not have an uncontrollable hard-on. You must have also had some additional effective stimulus there to help it along. Unfortunately, here in the wilderness of the heartland, we have NO strip clubs to serve as a more thorough testing ground for such things.

Actually, I recall thinking that the half dosage of the tweety bird pill really did not cause the flushing or the warming sensation I sometimes get with the half dosage of the 50Mg Viagra. The 50Mg half dosage of Viagra is actually quite mild, and it seems to work really well most of the time. But, I sometimes still sense a little flushing from it, and sometimes I also sense that I might need the full 50Mg to be the stud we all know I CAN be :-)))). I believe it produces a slightly more consistently stronger erection than the tweety bird pill however. I supposed it just depends on the circumstances of your body at the time, ie: taking it on full stomach, being tired, ugly tall wide girl :-))) etc...

But, Carlos, I can not thank you enough for your recommendation to reduce to the 50Mg Viagra tablet. That makes life much more comfortable. There have been times that I thought that the after effects of cutting the 100Mg tablet, even into fourths, was simply not worth the headache and sinus pressure, even at 1/4 dosages.

I'll test out some more of the tweety bird pills at 1/2 dosage as well and report accordingly, but so far, it seems even milder than the Viagra with respect to after effects, and at a reduced cost. Because, I remember thinking that going to a 50Mg Viagra tablet was going to be quite a bit more costly than buying the 100Mg tablets and cutting them up. So, if the tweety bird tablets work as well, the cost issue is moot, and the tweety bird tablet will have won my endorsement.[/QUOTE]

I tried the half portion of the tweety pill again, uh, quite recently. It is soooo mild. I am really impressed with that part of it. I really hated the after effects of the 100Mg Viagra that it was enough to swear off sex....well, sometimes.

I mean, who wants to simultaneously know that you have the bliss of sex to look forward to, only to also realize that you will have to endure the discomfort of having taken the smurf pill along with it. I mean, nobody looks forward to a headache, heartburn, sinus condition, and nasal pressure, no matter how damn good my Angel might have made our time together, right? And, there were times where several hours of sex, even the most blissful sex imaginable, was no trade for an entire night of payback discomfort. I refer to the 100Mg cut in sections.

And, while I do think the 50Mg Viagra is stronger and more consistent acting than the tweety bird pill, thereby yielding a very consistent and effective hard-on, more so than the tweety bird pill, the after effects of the tweety bird pill seem to be worth my being just slightly less of a stud, certainly less than I know I can potentially be with Viagra, just in order to be virtually side effect free with tweety. :-) I theorize that it is because the pills are larger, cut with some other substance, that the effect is somehow minimized compared to the 50Mg Viagra. Maybe there's some kind of buffering agent in there. So, the pill being larger may play an important benefit that Viagra should consider. The chemical content of the pills is supposed to be the exact same chemical.

With respect to the Cialis replacement, I was not told of a Cialis replacement when I picked mine up. Cialis is really inconsistent for me. I always have doubts about it lasting as long as it is advertised to last. I am always concerned that it might fizzle out right when I need it most. It is supposed to last 36 hours. It seems it lasts closer to maybe 24 hours, or possibly even less sometimes. Whereas, at least with Viagra, I can feel it working. And, even with the tweety bird Viagra generic, I can still feel some sensation, although, thankfully, ever so slight a sensation.



[QUOTE=Amigomio]That is true, proportionately speaking, 50 mg Viagra is more expensive than the 100 mg.

By the way, is there a generic presentation of Cialis just like Maxifort is for Viagra???[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

Have you guys ever been duped by a Mexican girl, I found a shocker today I was surfing the web and came across these pics funny thing is these are some of the ones she pass on as her self. I attached one she sent me that looked pretty genuine.

[url]http://galleries2.ftvcash.com/First-Time-Video/galleries/Alexa/X/58/791695[/url]

The real question should have been, "have you ever NOT been duped by a Mexican girl." The two words, "duped" and "Mexicana" are synonymous with one another.

Looks like a pro to me....But, honestly, even if she is a solid pro, the whole California thing, the Egyptian and Latin thing all mixed together, I'm just not sure if your gettin' the real deal with respect to a true Latina.

My rule of thumb is if they've been in the US over 6 months they're spoiled goods. :-))) And without the influence of a true Latin background with respect to cultural influences, I just doubt if you'll enjoy the full measure of the potential Latina experience.

Actually, WastedG may have a better feel for the depravity of Middle Eastern Girls, ie: Egyptian, even though, of course, I also realize there are vast differences with respect to cultural influences in that part of the World. But, none the less, WastedG, comment on the Middle Eastern Girl experience versus our beloved Mexicanas. I anticipate your reply to be most interesting. I have literally never engaged in such flesh, and have always wondered...

But, CPalance, in looking at the photos, it sure looks like her. Actually, the girl in the photo, versus the girl depicted in the website, looks more enticing to me, friendly, genuine, personality, beautiful smile, etc...Her potentially enchanting personality comes through in the lone photo. She could dupe me with the best of them with that smile. Best of luck!

[QUOTE=Cpalace82]Hey guys,

Have you guys ever been duped by a Mexican girl, I found a shocker today I was surfing the web and came across these pics funny thing is these are some of the ones she pass on as her self. I attached one she sent me that looked pretty genuine.

[url]http://galleries2.ftvcash.com/First-Time-Video/galleries/Alexa/X/58/791695[/url][/QUOTE]

I looked at the girls website, and all the ones she sent me are from the website, so I dont know what the deal is its odd because why would you take the chance to fly out to see a guy when its not you in the pics makes no sense to me.

Thanks though man.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The real question should have been, "have you ever NOT been duped by a Mexican girl." The two words, "duped" and "Mexicana" are synonymous with one another.

Looks like a pro to me....But, honestly, even if she is a solid pro, the whole California thing, the Egyptian and Latin thing all mixed together, I'm just not sure if your gettin' the real deal with respect to a true Latina.

My rule of thumb is if they've been in the US over 6 months they're spoiled goods. :-))) And without the influence of a true Latin background with respect to cultural influences, I just doubt if you'll enjoy the full measure of the potential Latina experience.

Actually, WastedG may have a better feel for the depravity of Middle Eastern Girls, ie: Egyptian, even though, of course, I also realize there are vast differences with respect to cultural influences in that part of the World. But, none the less, WastedG, comment on the Middle Eastern Girl experience versus our beloved Mexicanas. I anticipate your reply to be most interesting. I have literally never engaged in such flesh, and have always wondered...

But, CPalance, in looking at the photos, it sure looks like her. Actually, the girl in the photo, versus the girl depicted in the website, looks more enticing to me, friendly, genuine, personality, beautiful smile, etc...Her potentially enchanting personality comes through in the lone photo. She could dupe me with the best of them with that smile. Best of luck![/QUOTE]

AmigoMio was kind enough to give me the grand tour of his city when I was in Monterrey last week. He is well known by the ladies and the meseros at all of the bars we went to. We hit the familiar places and he pointed out the various alphabet girls of Bob and Wasted and he kept me out of trouble.

Along with guidance and his amazing Google map I felt at home when I passed through Monterrey again on Monday night. Definitely slower on Mondays than toward the weekend but still a good time.

Thank you again AmigoMio and I'll see you a lot more once the vivaAerobus service starts next month!

Viva Vivaerobus!!!

I'll see you Super... sorry I missed you on Monday.
I'll check on the Woman's girls... say "hi" for you.


[QUOTE=Super Gato]AmigoMio was kind enough to give me the grand tour of his city when I was in Monterrey last week. He is well known by the ladies and the meseros at all of the bars we went to. We hit the familiar places and he pointed out the various alphabet girls of Bob and Wasted and he kept me out of trouble.

Along with guidance and his amazing Google map I felt at home when I passed through Monterrey again on Monday night. Definitely slower on Mondays than toward the weekend but still a good time.

Thank you again AmigoMio and I'll see you a lot more once the vivaAerobus service starts next month![/QUOTE]

The Maxifort pills, the generic version of Viagra do hit hard, fast and good.

Usually I have tried them at night, so I could only see results till I went to bed.
This time I tried them at noon.
I split a couple of them, took a 1/4... in 20 minutes the thing was working so good the girl I was with kept asking after action "why is it still sticking out?".

I will NOT try half a dosage. I don't need it. It scares me to take half a pill... might end all day with a "thing" pointing thru my pants.

I decided on my first night to start rather luckily with Poisson, ranked as a second tier establishment. It’s a pretty classic strip club with take away. Dark, loud, pretty comfortable red ? velvet type banquettes with tables around a huge dance floor at some distance from some tables, approx 120 peso (US$10) entrance fee, 35 peso for a beer. There is a rather fast, English speaking Indian here who bought girls and negotiated as intermediary. He said they had 40 girls in but I reckon the number was closer to 15 odd. I sent 2 or 3 away before settling on a perfectly acceptable quite pretty chica who initially asked $4,000 peso but rapidly reduced to US$200 possibly urged on by the Indian to whom I then agreed an overgenerous tip of US$30 for which I made him come back to the hotel to collect as I was out of cash on the deal. (He definitely needs controlling and I suggest when he first tells you the rules and he talks about tip you make it clear how much you will pay. Be clear you will not pay a percentage tip but will give him us$20 if he gets a good girl at a good price). The system here seems to be that you pay the club up front and they settle with the girl. I forgot to check how much she actually got. Take away club fee was US$ 120. Outside usual taxi scam 100 peso as opposed to 35 each way to take us to the hotel and then the Indian back. I got the impression they would have charged 100 whatever.

So to the Sheraton Ambassador where she has no ID so the desk checks with security and security checks with the desk, so we are about to enter a Mexican stand off (where on earth does that expression come from….someone?) but by this time I have bullied my way to the elevator and tell them she’s my responsibility and we are off. A quick shower and start work on the boobs and hey presto you know you got an ingénue winner when even that starts to work a head of steam. And so to DATY and in pretty short order she comes and I load her up cow girl and without much trouble she has got herself off three times and her legs are shaking and continue to do so until she’s leaving a very happy bunny!

Next day Saturday and I try to check out the 60 peso lunch buffets at Prestige, closed and then Amnesia, closed. I have a trooper for a taxi driver and without really knowing where these places are he keeps jumping out of the cab to check as we head for the massage houses Misses and then Marcella. With the rain and traffic this process takes about an hour and a half (135 pesos on the clock). Misses is actually at the back of what looks like a two car garage (prominently signed with a street number, I think 364) you go up a first flight and take first door on left. It’s pretty grubby and I saw 6 girls at 3pm. The best two were 500 pesos for massage only with in room negotiation re a covered blow job. The other 3 who were all ok ish were US$180 for 40 minutes full service. They were all ok looking but I made my excuses and left; I need a bit of romance.

Then on to Marcella which we eventually found, again at the back of a one car garage but rather better signed. Here 5 girls of whom only two acceptable and though tempted by a pretty blond? could not get the confidence that he and I understood each other. He wanted 500 pesos but what for I am not sure; he kept saying yes to full sex but I had my doubts so left, partly as I had made an arrangement with previous nights girl to come around at 7pm.

Need less to say she didn’t show up but I think she would have found dealing with the front desk stuff too daunting in any event.

So out at 9pm heading for Premiere. I misunderstood; in theory this is just a lap dancing place at 220 peso a dance, 55 peso a beer and 120 peso entrance and I thought it was a strip with take aways. Fairly ornate and grand with huge staircase and pictures but “lap dancing”, what a waste of time. About the 4th girl that came by I found very acceptable and we started negotiating from different ends of the spectrum. She looked curious when I suggested coming to my hotel and said she wasn’t allowed but to go to the “rooms” she wanted 20 dances ie about us$400 but then with agreement of a “boss” offered 10 dances to go to the room. I said how long. She was so happy at the prospect that she said all night. I kept going on about full sex and to this I think she said 15 dances but then when we went to check out the rooms upstairs they were a series of large drawing rooms and small booths each of which had a single comfortable chair; all of this open to the corridor and dimly lit. What you could or could not get away with in those booths I have no idea and wasn’t about to pay 200U.S.$ to find out. I also like to be comfortable when I’m screwing.
So went to reception to pay for the beer which clearly not the right place and in so doing met the manager who looks like a bouncer but is charming (Marcos Amaya) who ended up lending me his driver for a couple of hours to tour places more to my fancy (120 pesos). If I understood him right he said Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado were all under same management and were all lap dancing places. In hindsight I think he would have let me take my girl back to the hotel and I think she would have come for 300 U.S. Marcos was not very complementary about Casablanca on the basis it was just a brothel and he thought that Infinito’s other customers might be dangerous to my health.

So to the tour, first place I have forgotten but only had a couple of visible girls and then tried Venus Palace. This was pretty empty at 11pm ish but has pleasant white leatherette sofas around a dance floor and a clean and upmarket feel. I was leaving again for lack of girls but chased out by an English speaking smooth wheeler dealer Mexican who chatted to my guide and promised a decent girl. This he did deliver rather handsomely and then tries to persuade me to stay. They have a couple of large and strange rooms upstairs with shower and Jacuzzi and more white sofas but no bed. I can have either of these rooms for US$500 including a couple of drinks and the girl. Then he takes me downstairs to a couple of rooms on the main thoroughfare to the girls changing room. Good clean looking double beds for US$100 but it only served to remind me I had a really rather nice room at the hotel for what would only be 50 bucks more but then the money problem starts; I said max 200 US and he discussed with the girl and said 230; I said ok (she only got 200). He had said us$150 bar fine and then returns and says he has just checked the “price list” and it’s gone up to 200. He is clearly just picking numbers out of the air but this is a “forget it” offence so I prepare to leave and he goes back to consult and returns to say ok to 150. This has all taken about 30 minutes and he now tries to add up what I owe him; 230 plus 150. He can’t do this and I’m watching in amazement when he comes up with 400. I say no, it’s 380 so he says the extra is something for MY chauffeur!!! Finally having agreed 380 he says he will get a check/la quenta. 5 mins pass so now in desperation I approach the pay desk with the heavies and the boss and we eventually settle up but not without them agonizing over the mathematics.

The girl however is very attractive and a star and rather unknown to me has lots of orgasms as she said afterwards but at moment of climax she was no great finisher but pretty much went straight on to the next. The result of this was that I spent an inordinate time on the oral but she had a good time anyway.

So I ended up leaving slightly short of action and also short of any of the truly passionate encounters occasionally offered by the South Americans.

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Hot Dog,

Let me just preface these comments by saying that I appreciate your candid report, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your exploits. We need more reports like this.

What I am about to comment on is what this board was meant to address to begin with. It should not be construed as a criticism or flame in any way, but as constructive commentary to assist all that visit Monterrey. It is opinion meant to be constructive for the average visitor to enhance their experiences. It is given in that spirit.

I must honestly say that I visibly winced after almost every sentence of your post. I literally remember my first few times in Monterrey. I succumbed to a total and complete fleecing by Poisson. I once spent $500US in that club, all in a matter of about 3-4 hours maximum. So, your expenditures are not uncommon for the average visitor, especially visiting Gringos that have only the US standard from which to draw a comparison.

The important lesson to consider now is that were I to spend $500US in Monterrey now, knowing what I know after six years of visiting there regularly, I would fully expect to get a minimum of no less than probably three to four days worth of sessions for that same $500US, each at least two hours long.

Now, granted, I know the lay of the land in Monterrey better than most, and those skills yield very inexpensive session for me as a result. However, that having been said, and speaking conservatively for the average visitor, you can expect to get about two hours for a total of about $2300 pesos, including the salida fee, from most of the medium level clubs, and with girls of comparable quality to what you found at Poisson.

It pays to do the research before you arrive in Monterrey if at all possible. This is a perfect example of what you get when you patronize the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey.

Gents, take heed to the prices quoted below. And, remember, NEVER take the advice of a taxi driver.

And, one thing I believe should be clarified, something that I'm sure was simply an innocent mis-statement, that Poisson is a 2nd Tier Establishment. Poisson is one of the very top tier establishments, meaning it is one of the most expensive clubs in Monterrey. It is plush, and it is very comfortable. But, with respect to bang for the buck, it is very, very expensive in comparison to so many other options.

[QUOTE=Hot Dog]I decided on my first night to start rather luckily with Poisson, ranked as a second tier establishment. It’s a pretty classic strip club with take away. Dark, loud, pretty comfortable red ? velvet type banquettes with tables around a huge dance floor at some distance from some tables, approx 120 peso (US$10) entrance fee, 35 peso for a beer. There is a rather fast, English speaking Indian here who bought girls and negotiated as intermediary. He said they had 40 girls in but I reckon the number was closer to 15 odd. I sent 2 or 3 away before settling on a perfectly acceptable quite pretty chica who initially asked $4,000 peso but rapidly reduced to US$200 possibly urged on by the Indian to whom I then agreed an overgenerous tip of US$30 for which I made him come back to the hotel to collect as I was out of cash on the deal. (He definitely needs controlling and I suggest when he first tells you the rules and he talks about tip you make it clear how much you will pay. Be clear you will not pay a percentage tip but will give him us$20 if he gets a good girl at a good price). The system here seems to be that you pay the club up front and they settle with the girl. I forgot to check how much she actually got. Take away club fee was US$ 120. Outside usual taxi scam 100 peso as opposed to 35 each way to take us to the hotel and then the Indian back. I got the impression they would have charged 100 whatever.

So to the Sheraton Ambassador where she has no ID so the desk checks with security and security checks with the desk, so we are about to enter a Mexican stand off (where on earth does that expression come from….someone?) but by this time I have bullied my way to the elevator and tell them she’s my responsibility and we are off. A quick shower and start work on the boobs and hey presto you know you got an ingénue winner when even that starts to work a head of steam. And so to DATY and in pretty short order she comes and I load her up cow girl and without much trouble she has got herself off three times and her legs are shaking and continue to do so until she’s leaving a very happy bunny!

Next day Saturday and I try to check out the 60 peso lunch buffets at Prestige, closed and then Amnesia, closed. I have a trooper for a taxi driver and without really knowing where these places are he keeps jumping out of the cab to check as we head for the massage houses Misses and then Marcella. With the rain and traffic this process takes about an hour and a half (135 pesos on the clock). Misses is actually at the back of what looks like a two car garage (prominently signed with a street number, I think 364) you go up a first flight and take first door on left. It’s pretty grubby and I saw 6 girls at 3pm. The best two were 500 pesos for massage only with in room negotiation re a covered blow job. The other 3 who were all ok ish were US$180 for 40 minutes full service. They were all ok looking but I made my excuses and left; I need a bit of romance.

Then on to Marcella which we eventually found, again at the back of a one car garage but rather better signed. Here 5 girls of whom only two acceptable and though tempted by a pretty blond? could not get the confidence that he and I understood each other. He wanted 500 pesos but what for I am not sure; he kept saying yes to full sex but I had my doubts so left, partly as I had made an arrangement with previous nights girl to come around at 7pm.

Need less to say she didn’t show up but I think she would have found dealing with the front desk stuff too daunting in any event.

So out at 9pm heading for Premiere. I misunderstood; in theory this is just a lap dancing place at 220 peso a dance, 55 peso a beer and 120 peso entrance and I thought it was a strip with take aways. Fairly ornate and grand with huge staircase and pictures but “lap dancing”, what a waste of time. About the 4th girl that came by I found very acceptable and we started negotiating from different ends of the spectrum. She looked curious when I suggested coming to my hotel and said she wasn’t allowed but to go to the “rooms” she wanted 20 dances ie about us$400 but then with agreement of a “boss” offered 10 dances to go to the room. I said how long. She was so happy at the prospect that she said all night. I kept going on about full sex and to this I think she said 15 dances but then when we went to check out the rooms upstairs they were a series of large drawing rooms and small booths each of which had a single comfortable chair; all of this open to the corridor and dimly lit. What you could or could not get away with in those booths I have no idea and wasn’t about to pay 200U.S.$ to find out. I also like to be comfortable when I’m screwing.
So went to reception to pay for the beer which clearly not the right place and in so doing met the manager who looks like a bouncer but is charming (Marcos Amaya) who ended up lending me his driver for a couple of hours to tour places more to my fancy (120 pesos). If I understood him right he said Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado were all under same management and were all lap dancing places. In hindsight I think he would have let me take my girl back to the hotel and I think she would have come for 300 U.S. Marcos was not very complementary about Casablanca on the basis it was just a brothel and he thought that Infinito’s other customers might be dangerous to my health.

So to the tour, first place I have forgotten but only had a couple of visible girls and then tried Venus Palace. This was pretty empty at 11pm ish but has pleasant white leatherette sofas around a dance floor and a clean and upmarket feel. I was leaving again for lack of girls but chased out by an English speaking smooth wheeler dealer Mexican who chatted to my guide and promised a decent girl. This he did deliver rather handsomely and then tries to persuade me to stay. They have a couple of large and strange rooms upstairs with shower and Jacuzzi and more white sofas but no bed. I can have either of these rooms for US$500 including a couple of drinks and the girl. Then he takes me downstairs to a couple of rooms on the main thoroughfare to the girls changing room. Good clean looking double beds for US$100 but it only served to remind me I had a really rather nice room at the hotel for what would only be 50 bucks more but then the money problem starts; I said max 200 US and he discussed with the girl and said 230; I said ok (she only got 200). He had said us$150 bar fine and then returns and says he has just checked the “price list” and it’s gone up to 200. He is clearly just picking numbers out of the air but this is a “forget it” offence so I prepare to leave and he goes back to consult and returns to say ok to 150. This has all taken about 30 minutes and he now tries to add up what I owe him; 230 plus 150. He can’t do this and I’m watching in amazement when he comes up with 400. I say no, it’s 380 so he says the extra is something for MY chauffeur!!! Finally having agreed 380 he says he will get a check/la quenta. 5 mins pass so now in desperation I approach the pay desk with the heavies and the boss and we eventually settle up but not without them agonizing over the mathematics.

The girl however is very attractive and a star and rather unknown to me has lots of orgasms as she said afterwards but at moment of climax she was no great finisher but pretty much went straight on to the next. The result of this was that I spent an inordinate time on the oral but she had a good time anyway.

So I ended up leaving slightly short of action and also short of any of the truly passionate encounters occasionally offered by the South Americans.

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Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Up and down the tourist traps.
You need tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige, all in the night shift.
And you were quoted "gringo prices" all over.
Not even me as a local do I dare go without a big bundle of bills.

And Poisson is NOT the most expensive club, it's Amnesia and Premiere.

And one word of advice: never ever go to a 5 star club in a hotel cab, you will be surcharged always by the strip club.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hot Dog,

Let me just preface these comments by saying that I appreciate your candid report, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your exploits. We need more reports like this.

What I am about to comment on is what this board was meant to address to begin with. It should not be construed as a criticism or flame in any way, but as constructive commentary to assist all that visit Monterrey. It is opinion meant to be constructive for the average visitor to enhance their experiences. It is given in that spirit.

I must honestly say that I visibly winced after almost every sentence of your post. I literally remember my first few times in Monterrey. I succumbed to a total and complete fleecing by Poisson. I once spent $500US in that club, all in a matter of about 3-4 hours maximum. So, your expenditures are not uncommon for the average visitor, especially visiting Gringos that have only the US standard from which to draw a comparison.

The important lesson to consider now is that were I to spend $500US in Monterrey now, knowing what I know after six years of visiting there regularly, I would fully expect to get a minimum of no less than probably three to four days worth of sessions for that same $500US, each at least two hours long.

Now, granted, I know the lay of the land in Monterrey better than most, and those skills yield very inexpensive session for me as a result. However, that having been said, and speaking conservatively for the average visitor, you can expect to get about two hours for a total of about $2300 pesos, including the salida fee, from most of the medium level clubs, and with girls of comparable quality to what you found at Poisson.

It pays to do the research before you arrive in Monterrey if at all possible. This is a perfect example of what you get when you patronize the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey.

Gents, take heed to the prices quoted below. And, remember, NEVER take the advice of a taxi driver.

And, one thing I believe should be clarified, something that I'm sure was simply an innocent mis-statement, that Poisson is a 2nd Tier Establishment. Poisson is one of the very top tier establishments, meaning it is one of the most expensive clubs in Monterrey. It is plush, and it is very comfortable. But, with respect to bang for the buck, it is very, very expensive in comparison to so many other options.[/QUOTE]

You two done?

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Up and down the tourist traps.
You need tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige, all in the night shift.
And you were quoted "gringo prices" all over.
Not even me as a local do I dare go without a big bundle of bills.

And Poisson is NOT the most expensive club, it's Amnesia and Premiere.

And one word of advice: never ever go to a 5 star club in a hotel cab, you will be surcharged always by the strip club.[/QUOTE]

Wasted, you can pass along the experience you had a couple of trips back, how a Sheraton cab took you to a place you knew (Obsession) and how the cab driver charged you extra, plus he signed up at the Obsession list to get his kickback.
Remember how the hostess told us "how am I going to tell the waiters to charge you the kickback for the driver???"
How could she if you are a regular of the club.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]You two done?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. That sucked big time. But I reported him and have not seen him since then.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Wasted, you can pass along the experience you had a couple of trips back, how a Sheraton cab took you to a place you knew (Obsession) and how the cab driver charged you extra, plus he signed up at the Obsession list to get his kickback.
Remember how the hostess told us "how am I going to tell the waiters to charge you the kickback for the driver???"
How could she if you are a regular of the club.[/QUOTE]

A few questions:

Are the Monterrey drug wars we read about in the U.S. impacting any strip clubs?

Are Infinitos and Matehuala still good? Any other nearby suggestions?

Does the Plaza del Arco remain a 'girl friendly' place?

And, Amigomio -- will you please post again where your excellent map is located?

Let me answer your questions:

#1. Drug wars impacting the SC in what sense? I still go there 4 times a week and regular life is normal, nowhere as close as the danger that looms at the border towns.
Check this link:

[url]www.multimedios.tv[/url]

On the right hand side going down you'll se a link that says "Sintonizenos en Internet", there you can check the daily newsacasts going on at 6:00 am, 12:00 and 7:00pm (CST) so you can see with your own eyes that the city has the normal kind of life you can expect of a 4 million people metropolis.

By the way, Monterrey violent? Can we compare Monterrey to Chicago or the Detroit area that are far more violent that Tijuana?

#2 Infinito (not plural nor posesive sense) and Matehuala are still good, yes. The first way above the second. Recomend other places? Check my map. My favorite watering holes aside Infinito are Harem and Pasarelas on Madero Ave. but there are still more options.

#3. Plaza del Arco still girl friendly. I will be sincere. I don't know. Wasted used to stay there but has opted to move to a better hotel, sacrificing the "girl friendly" optoon in exchange of a better service.

#4. And my map can be found at the "Links to Reports of Distinction" section, post 7.



[QUOTE=Wild Bill Keith]A few questions:

Are the Monterrey drug wars we read about in the U.S. impacting any strip clubs?

Are Infinitos and Matehuala still good? Any other nearby suggestions?

Does the Plaza del Arco remain a 'girl friendly' place?

And, Amigomio -- will you please post again where your excellent map is located?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]

[url]www.multimedios.tv[/url]

[/QUOTE]

Mutlimedios. Home of the hottie weather girls.

Check out this blog:

[url]http://diosasdelclima[/url]. ********. com/


Dedicated to all the SexyWeather Girls of all the Monterrey local channels.

Check Mayte Carranco... I really love that one.



[QUOTE=Super Gato]Mutlimedios. Home of the hottie weather girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Check out this blog:

[url]http://diosasdelclima[/url]. ********. com/


Dedicated to all the SexyWeather Girls of all the Monterrey local channels.

Check Mayte Carranco... I really love that one.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Mayte is nice. I also like Karla Luna. And Gaby Rojas. And todas otras.

They did a special celebrating the Weather girl moms.

Karla Marqueda and Karla Luna are moms.
Turns out Karla Luna was pregnant at age 15. She's 27-29 right now.
Any of you can do the math...



[QUOTE=Super Gato]Wow! Mayte is nice. I also like Karla Luna. And Gaby Rojas. And todas otras.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]They did a special celebrating the Weather girl moms.

Karla Marqueda and Karla Luna are moms.
Turns out Karla Luna was pregnant at age 15. She's 27-29 right now.
Any of you can do the math...[/QUOTE]

So if Karla's kid follows in her footsteps, Karla will be an abuela by 30. Never thought I'd see a GILF.

Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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I'm not really sure about the progress of the metro out to San Nicholas. Carlos is probably up on that however.

What I can comment on is your aversion to running a tab. Over time, I too have become quite adverse to running tabs in certain bars. If I run a tab, it's when I'm with Carlos, and he runs interference for us both. The clubs that run tabs don't ever insist that I run a tab. They all seem willing to accept payment at the time the drinks are delivered. This seems true with the exception of places like Prestige and Obsession where there is a cover charge tacked onto the bill, etc...But, if I am not mistaken, even at Prestige and Obsession, you can pay the cover at the door, and still pay as you go. Carlos can clarify the accepted procedures at the higher end bars like Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, Amnesia, etc...You should have no problem paying as you go at the medium level bars, TVO, Harem, Pasarelas, Casino, Spugna, etc...

Lately, one of the worst offending bars for scamming tabs has been Pasarelas. But, Pasarelas, depending on what month and week you visit, can be a very good place to visit with respect to selection of girls. So, rather than throw the baby out with the bath water, I just make them accept payment at the time they deliver the drinks. I simply pay as I go.

And furthermore, I am always careful to call their direct attention to the denomination of bills I am giving them, almost in a cartoonish characterization of body language and verbal expression so they resist the temptation to switch from the 200 pesos bill to the 20 peso bill.

Believe it or not, they have tried that switch several times. You know, you hand them a 200 pesos bill, and with slight of hand, they produce, seconds later, a 20 pesos bill as they are fishing for change, trying to make you believe that you mistakenly gave them a 20 pesos bill instead of a 200 peso bill.

You know, if you don't have your glasses on, or it's dark, doubt as to what you actually gave them can creep into your mind. So, I always make it kind of an exaggerated specticle, and concentrate specifically when I give them the dough. That tactic seems to have stopped their nonsense for now.

As for the cost of full service in a place like El Infinito, I think the F/S cost is closer to 400 pesos + songs in the privados. I believe a blow job is around 200 pesos + songs. As for your not being able to enjoy salidas, I would recommend the upper level massage parlors as a decent alternative. It isn't quite the same, but it's better than the hard back, back breaking chairs in El Infinito. But, of course, the cost is a consideration in comparison. However, I have concluded that the cost of El Infinito with respect to time is relatively high. I mean, usually, with respect to F/S, you can rarely get out of the privados without paying for a series of songs. My typical bill in the privados on the very, very rare occassion that I would visit them and endulge is usually between 500-600 pesos all inclusive. Eventually, it just seems like it's good money throw after bad when you realize that a salida from one of the bars for up to 2 hours is 1350 pesos. But, of course, your constraints are certainly understandable with respect to co-workers etc...That's why I suggest the massage parlors as an alternative.


[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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Gringo Wadero... what is it? 2, 3 years since your last visit?
I guess you are staying again at the Hampton or the Holiday Inn in San Nicolas area.

The new metro line is still not operating at the area you are staying. Maybe in the Fall season. The closest station working is at the University. To far from your hotel.
And yes, the main junction of stations is at El Arco in the downtown area.

First of all check at the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread, post #7, you'll find a link to a Google map I made of the city.
It includes, SC, MP's, restaurants (incluidng El Gaucho), malls... tons of stuff I didn't pass along in my old maps.

El Gaucho is on the second page of the marker links.
And no: el Gaucho is always full. Make a reservation. A hotel taxi will get you there, no problem at all.
Return trip, am sure El Gaucho staff will get you a cab. Just be specific on the hotel and the area you are staying.

Yes, prices at the Villagran area, specificaly pointing at Infinito have changed.
100-150 pesos for Bj
300-350 pesos for a FS
50 pesos per 4 minute private dance

But Infinito is still the place to be.

Gringo, you know the drill: feel free to ask your questions.




[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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Say, Might see you around this weekend.

Regards, Atm(Aka:Chango).

[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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Gringo Wadero...
I think Doubt98, another guy from another forum and me were witness to your "sticking out like a sore thumb".
If it was you, we were right behind you.
You were having so much fun at ring side that we decided not to disturb you.
And boy... I got in, went elsewhere, went meet the guys, went back and you were still there...
Isn't Infinito still the place to be???



[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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[QUOTE=Amigomio]Gringo Wadero.

I think Doubt98, another guy from another forum and me were witness to your "sticking out like a sore thumb".

If it was you, we were right behind you.

You were having so much fun at ring side that we decided not to disturb you. And boy. I got in, went elsewhere, went meet the guys, went back and you were still there.

Isn't Infinito still the place to be? [/QUOTE]Was it Friday or Saturday? By coincidence I sat at the front stage close to the entrance both nights. I'm guessing you saw me Saturday around 8 to 10PM. Infinito had strong line ups, especially the Friday early group. To be honest though, I never really gained much momentum there compared to prior visits. My best time was actually had at Matahuala late Saturday going well into Sunday. Thanks for your earlier feedback. I'll add some observations in a day or two.

We saw you on Saturday... I think it was you.
You were sitting almost smack in the middle of the #1 stage, to the right of the steps, right after the bulge that forms the end of it.

Anyway, you took a lot of girls upstairs.... you had fun, didn't you?


[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Was it Friday or Saturday? By coincidence I sat at the front stage close to the entrance both nights. I'm guessing you saw me Saturday around 8 to 10PM. Infinito had strong line ups, especially the Friday early group. To be honest though, I never really gained much momentum there compared to prior visits. My best time was actually had at Matahuala late Saturday going well into Sunday. Thanks for your earlier feedback. I'll add some observations in a day or two.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]We saw you on Saturday... I think it was you.
You were sitting almost smack in the middle of the #1 stage, to the right of the steps, right after the bulge that forms the end of it.

Anyway, you took a lot of girls upstairs.... you had fun, didn't you?[/QUOTE]Yea that was me and I remember going on a bit of a splurge for about 45 minutes on Saturday. Those girls didn't turn out to be that great. Perhaps, on a busy night, they weren't making much effort because I wasn't committing to extra services. It was worth going but I wouldn't rank it in the top half of all Monterrey club visits.

That was a lull in an otherwise good trip. There was a quick afternoon stop at Signore that was a solid value (200P+50 tip). The room had A/C running in advance which was a life saver on a really hot day.

On Saturday I went to El Gaucho for an early dinner and it was awesome. They serve enormous steaks and great desserts with very good service.

I went to Matehaula for the first time in three years at 10PM Sat. I wasn't expecting much but it was packed and rockin'. They played Metallica and Ramstein exactly as I recall from my first visit six years ago. They've probably played it every night since then.

To my eyes the girls as a group were equal to Infinito and had more energy. There were a couple of cute little spinners that caught my eye. I had some nice dances with a little blond with a slightly punk look. She quoted 300 pesos for FS which I declined for some reason. Later it hit me that I was leaving town in the AM and there wasn't going to be much better even when I do come back. I approached her at a slow point and she accepted 250 pesos. It left the club about 3:30AM happy and ready for home.

That case illustrates the niche for in-club FS. Its a trade off of quality experience for max convenience. I hadn't even planned on anything of the sort but the girls were just right and at least there was the option to make a game time decision. Having said that I'd probably have to think hard before paying more than 300P. One of the earlier duds had quoted 400 but there was no way that was the rock bottom price. All of this refers to the chica fee only.

I went to El Cielo several times as well. Some of my best all time Monterrey stories happened there and they have Claudia who is my favorite.

Unospongebob touched on getting clipped when paying with big bills and that led to a very curious occurrence at El Cielo late Friday. I had used all my small bills at Infinito earlier and when I entered El Cielo knew I was going to have buy a beer with a 200 peso bill. I displayed the bill's value prominently and the waiter clearly repeated the correct value out loud. He then went through an exercise where he slipped the 200 into the bottom of his stack with one hand while shuffling bills with the other and then first offered change for a 50 and then for a 100 and finally the correct change all in about ten seconds. He didn't make any effort to argue etc. I had been there the previous two nights and it was almost like he was just messing with me.

I'd say if you must pay with a big bill make sure to clearly display the bill and state the value. Try not to let go until they acknowledge it. Don't look away until you get all the change. If you look away, that's when they might pull out a smaller bill and act like it was yours.

In fairness, in roughly 50 visits to the three clubs mentioned here, I can not recall having a issue with price or getting correct change. I have never been to the higher end clubs to be able to comment. I had heard of several issues with tabs at higher end clubs before I ever set foot in town.

Also at El Cielo, there was one hyper little honey that just flat out attempted FS on me without any sort of discussion or agreement what so ever. During a regular privado she started messing around with her hands which isn't that rare in and of itself. After a couple minutes she goes and gets a condom. I'm thinking she's gonna do a HJ. That wouldn't be a first for El Cielo either. Within 15 seconds she moves in like she going to get serious. I had to force myself to put an end to it. I couldn't risk following through and then having her name her own price when it was done.

Maybe when I return in July I'll try buying a few drinks for the girls and see how that turns out. To this point I have always sat at the stage and avoided buying drinks. But it seems the stage action has mellowed somewhat compared to a few years ago and I felt like it was distracting me from picking girls for privado. At times I got up and stood elsewhere to better view the background and see if any of the other girls stood out.

I expect to be back in July. Carlos please order up come nice 90 degree days. 107F on Friday was a little too much.

Oh well. Enough for this trip. Have fun and be safe.

Good advise...keep your eye on the ball at all times with these waiters. Some of them are regulars that have been at it for many years. Those guys, while they are not to generally to be trusted either, especially concerning chica recommendations, at least they have a motivator to treat their repeat customers as honestly as possible for the promise of future decent tips.

Usually, with the seasoned "professional" waiters, the most they will attempt is to fain an "innocent" mistake on the bill. If they know you're a repeat customer, and you come to their bar all the time, they will make a pretty decent attempt at being honest with respect to not going so far as to attempt to swindle you with the peso bill switch tactic.

There are times, usually late at night, usually with the air full of smoke, usually with my eyes burning from being up until 4am four or five nights in a row, that the difficulty in discerning which bill I gave them is most difficult for me. I'm tired, frazzled, etc...

As for the present state of affairs in the low end bars. I have visited El Infinito recently, and they're late night line-up during the week, IMHO, leaves something to be desired, ditto that at Matehuala, and el Cielo both.

Now, this really only applies to the week nights. The weekends are a totally different animal. But, keep in mind, there is a hell of a lot more competition on weekends. The girls are simply not as motivated to leave the bars, or even to spend time with you if you aren't puking pesos on them in the bar. For my part, the weekend nights are just too hectic, too much competition, high prices, too many scams, too much greed, too many drunk Mexicanos, People in the street, etc...

I also visited Givenchy UNO over the last couple of weeks, which is now open in the spot where the original Givenchy was first located, South of El Infinito. Givenchy Dos is to the North of El Infinito. Anyway, Givenchy Uno was pretty disappointing. They only had about two girls in the place at midnight. I basically walked in, scoped out the talent, and walked out. With respect to some of these lower end bars lately, I'm not terribly impressed. What IS HAPPENING????? I did find one in El Cielo last time. She was flaca, willing, available for salidas, etc...So, there is hope. But, I have to tell you, the search is getting harder and harder.

I also recently visited Harem. Some might be interested in knowing that they've spruced up the Harem a little bit, expanded it some. When you pull up to the place, you'll notice it has a bigger foot print. They bought out that place next door, the restaurant. I think that restaurant was supposedly half way decent a place. I never tried it, but I think several visitors from the boards have wandered in there for something to eat and talked favorably of it. Anyway, Harem has expanded to a second stage area to the East in the place of that restaurant, ajoining the main bar area. Usually, they have one chica over there. The girls wander between the two separated rooms, but there usually doesn't seem to be too many working the new addition whenever I've checked it out.

Secondarily, the privado area upstairs has been completely relocated, and revamped. Frankly, I am relatively disappointed in it. They have reduced the size of the booths, leaving only space to sit where the girl straddles you in front, sitting on your lap. And, the chairs are not cushy like they used to be. Additionally, it was hot as hades up there. In one instance, I took a very hot, as in "perfect body," girl up for a privado, gave the attendant 200 pesos, intending to get my full measure of songs. But, as time progressed, my girl and I got so uncomfortable that we both decided to exit the privados and go back downstairs. She even got my 100 pesos back from the attendant for me without my even asking. I had fully expected to lose it, but the heat was unbearable.

IMHO, the rank and file are trying to send management a message that they don't want to work up there....It's too damned HOT! Otherwise, there is little reason she would recover my 100 pesos from the attendant. I think they would like to see management losing money up there until the air is turned on. Under ANY other circumstances, the girls would NOT have recovered my money from the attendant. I would have been totally on my own.

Also, with the same girl, the attendant at the privados attempted to swindle an extra 200 pesos by misquoting price to me. She refused to be a party to the scam, telling him something in rapid fire Spanish that I could not discern. But, I got the distinct impression she was putting him in his place, and protecting her own investment. But, my theory, the discomfort upstairs is something the girls are not willing to tolerate. I have never had a girl looking after my financial condition with such concern. So, I can only conclude that have their own motivations for doing so.



[QUOTE=Gringo Wadero]Yea that was me and I remember going on a bit of a splurge for about 45 minutes on Saturday. Those girls didn't turn out to be that great. Perhaps, on a busy night, they weren't making much effort because I wasn't committing to extra services. It was worth going but I wouldn't rank it in the top half of all Monterrey club visits.

That was a lull in an otherwise good trip. There was a quick afternoon stop at Signore that was a solid value (200P+50 tip). The room had A/C running in advance which was a life saver on a really hot day.

On Saturday I went to El Gaucho for an early dinner and it was awesome. They serve enormous steaks and great desserts with very good service.

I went to Matehaula for the first time in three years at 10PM Sat. I wasn't expecting much but it was packed and rockin'. They played Metallica and Ramstein exactly as I recall from my first visit six years ago. They've probably played it every night since then.

To my eyes the girls as a group were equal to Infinito and had more energy. There were a couple of cute little spinners that caught my eye. I had some nice dances with a little blond with a slightly punk look. She quoted 300 pesos for FS which I declined for some reason. Later it hit me that I was leaving town in the AM and there wasn't going to be much better even when I do come back. I approached her at a slow point and she accepted 250 pesos. It left the club about 3:30AM happy and ready for home.

That case illustrates the niche for in-club FS. Its a trade off of quality experience for max convenience. I hadn't even planned on anything of the sort but the girls were just right and at least there was the option to make a game time decision. Having said that I'd probably have to think hard before paying more than 300P. One of the earlier duds had quoted 400 but there was no way that was the rock bottom price. All of this refers to the chica fee only.

I went to El Cielo several times as well. Some of my best all time Monterrey stories happened there and they have Claudia who is my favorite.

Unospongebob touched on getting clipped when paying with big bills and that led to a very curious occurrence at El Cielo late Friday. I had used all my small bills at Infinito earlier and when I entered El Cielo knew I was going to have buy a beer with a 200 peso bill. I displayed the bill's value prominently and the waiter clearly repeated the correct value out loud. He then went through an exercise where he slipped the 200 into the bottom of his stack with one hand while shuffling bills with the other and then first offered change for a 50 and then for a 100 and finally the correct change all in about ten seconds. He didn't make any effort to argue etc. I had been there the previous two nights and it was almost like he was just messing with me.

I'd say if you must pay with a big bill make sure to clearly display the bill and state the value. Try not to let go until they acknowledge it. Don't look away until you get all the change. If you look away, that's when they might pull out a smaller bill and act like it was yours.

In fairness, in roughly 50 visits to the three clubs mentioned here, I can not recall having a issue with price or getting correct change. I have never been to the higher end clubs to be able to comment. I had heard of several issues with tabs at higher end clubs before I ever set foot in town.

Also at El Cielo, there was one hyper little honey that just flat out attempted FS on me without any sort of discussion or agreement what so ever. During a regular privado she started messing around with her hands which isn't that rare in and of itself. After a couple minutes she goes and gets a condom. I'm thinking she's gonna do a HJ. That wouldn't be a first for El Cielo either. Within 15 seconds she moves in like she going to get serious. I had to force myself to put an end to it. I couldn't risk following through and then having her name her own price when it was done.

Maybe when I return in July I'll try buying a few drinks for the girls and see how that turns out. To this point I have always sat at the stage and avoided buying drinks. But it seems the stage action has mellowed somewhat compared to a few years ago and I felt like it was distracting me from picking girls for privado. At times I got up and stood elsewhere to better view the background and see if any of the other girls stood out.

I expect to be back in July. Carlos please order up come nice 90 degree days. 107F on Friday was a little too much.

Oh well. Enough for this trip. Have fun and be safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?

Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.



[QUOTE=Hot Dog][QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?[/QUOTE]

That is right.
There are no "salidas" at the high end clubs like Amnesia, Premiere, Prestige, Obsession.

The rest are negotiable, like the 800 peso tab at the Pasarelas and Harem, and so on, or the 350 pesos at the Infinito.
Iam not up to date with the charges done at Poisson, but more or less I do believe they are over 100 dlls, like you paid.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.



[QUOTE=Hot Dog][/QUOTE]

You know, I am really very disappointed at the quality of the buffet at Obsession versus Prestige. The quality of the buffet has plummeted at Obsession. The drink prices are less at Obsession however, and considerably less. So, if you're contemplating a visit to a particular high end club, and you want to have the most bang for the buck concerning drink prices, then Obsession is really quite a bargain.

I recall being at Obsession in the not too distant past, and I was kind of surprised how cheap the drinks were. I had come from Prestige the prior day, and I am always kind of shocked at the totality of the costs that accrue over at Prestige. I don't even remember the literal cost differences by the drink, only that when they bring the final check, I recall being really pleasantly surprised at Obsession after having endured the cost of Prestige the previous day. And I recall thinking that I had not really purchased more or less from either of them.

All should also remember that the girls will almost always attempt to order Tecate or a double, unless they're familiar with you as a customer. This is especially true at Prestige. They will make the attempt, but always remember that the cost is astronomical. Just make sure that you tell them no doubles, and no Tecate. Just tell them you want single drinks. Just show them in sign language, if you don't know Spanish, that you only want the small ones. Otherwise, you will be sorry. The literal cost of a Tecate, a single can of beer, is 240 pesos....ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, if it's a buffet lunch you're after, Prestige is really, really quite good! The drink costs are higher than Obsession, by quite a bit. But, if you just want a nice lunch, some good scenery, and even if you are relatively conservative with the numbers of drinks you purchase, then it's a good time.

But, just remember, at night, all the high end bars are really astronomically expensive. That's why I do not patronize them past 5pm, period. If I visit a high end bar, it's to enjoy the buffet, usually Prestige, and in the case of Obsession, the buffet is so disappointing that I am very conservative at what I choose to eat there. At Obsession these days, I just reserve my fun to socializing with the girls.

Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted

Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.

Anyway, I would be the first to let them go.
Once they forget the old checks and balances and go back to normalcy, there is no stopping them from doing what ever they want to do.
That includes doing stupid things.
The money we pay them puts the break on them. Their ho job puts the break on them too.

PS: "Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer"

Only you USB, could think that way. Me, I love mature women...
.. of course the CORRECT WORDING refering to the lady that selld dresses to the girls should be UGLY OLDER WOMEN!!!!
Now that is a total downer!!!!!





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?[/QUOTE]

It is very interesting that you would go the distance and ask them those questions.

I would expect that the girls who leave the business do not go cold turkey. I think they go through phases.

One of those early phases, right after they actually leave the clubs, is a short period of complete boycott of the business followed by the desire to lookup her regular clients and go house calls or out on dates with them. That I do not see as romance at all. I see it as a side job but without the hassle of the club. She shows the guy a good time and then collects her regular fee, if not plus extras if she sweat talks her way to the guy's heart making him think he is the one and only. I know. I am the one and only for Lady J who totally quit the club scene.

Another phase is when they move in or marry someone from the club. She then realizes a few month or a year later that she was only giving him a long session but at home instead of the club. Wouldn't all of us love to take a girl out on a one year salida? No club fees no nothing. You just feed her and help her continue to be pretty. Good deal.

?? But fall in love with us ?? To them we are old ugly perverts just like we enjoy their company but know real well we are dealing with cute little sl8ts.

OK. That's it for now.

Wasted.

[QUOTE=Amigomio] Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.
[/QUOTE]

The girls were being honest.

Non working girls in 18-30 don't even see older guys. Just to go to the mall and watch them --- in Monterrey or any city really. They don't see you. You are invisible. You can be standing right in front of them and they won't see you. They'll bump into you because they didn't see you. If you stare too long, the girl's less attractive friend might notice and tell her that a creepy old guy is leering at her.

Now by flashing the right amount of cash you can get her attention. But it would be cheaper and probably a better experience to go to a pro. And of course, if you're exceptionally guapo or famoso they'll see you. But we regular guys are invisible. We're their dad's age.

My taste in women is the same since I was a teenager: 18-24. When I was in my late 20s, these girls stopped seeing me. I became invisible. So now I satisfy my desires for the 18-24 year olds by going to the pros. When I walk into one of the clubs on Carlos' list, the chicas will see me. I don't mind this arrangement because even though I like a lot of the music younger people listen to and I probably am emotionally closer to their age, we don't have a lot in common.

There are some mature women (25+) that will catch my eye in clubs, but women around my age will see me on the street so I don't need to get on a plane and go to Mexico. I'm not invisible.

I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...

Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...[/QUOTE]

Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....[/QUOTE]

Whoa down!!!!

"Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc..."

What do you think the girls think of us???
Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits.

I have told you many times that you guys have the fortune of not being able to understand 90% of what the girls say and boy, are you lucky.
I have to deal with them coming up to me and saying right up front saying "where do you meet all those crazy geezers".
They don't care if they offend or not, or risk losing a potential customer cause they got tons of boys after them.

By now I still see that you have not regained touch with what you are dealing with and the worst part is that did talk about this last time you were here.
One of my recomendations has always been, keep track of the girls, make a register of them, the usual who, what and where so that when you come back you know who you should be with and who not to lose time with.

You always say 2 things when you come to Monterrey:
I don't have time to waste. I need to get the girl quickly.

This has been your total perdition many times.
Your reasoning has been that you will not see the girl the next time you come back... and by now, you have come back many many times and you still have contact with the same club manifest.
And you burn the fuse too fast with the girls trying to hit at them too quickly.
And again, it's a lesson you haven't learned.


And speaking of enchiladas...
My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intelectualy mature than their 18-20something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls.
Which is an irrefutable fact.

There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls.
(May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction).







[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.[/QUOTE]

Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

You evaded your own statement:
In your post say and I quote, "Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

You later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

Iam not talking about your GF, I said what truely is said by the girls. And Iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

And again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
The girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

You know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is SO OLD".
You know why? Cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

And since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

PS: CIndy #1??? When are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? That she is crazy? That she is bipolar???
Am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which YOU ARE NOT) to go back looking for her.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.[/QUOTE]

we are, afterall, getting older, and we all look like mature men. but, i say, so what?

i have a lot of clients that start out with a big "no," only to eventually be so dependent on me in our eventual business relationships that they will not leave me the hell alone :-)))

i have no doubt that the girls recognize me, and us, as older men, and that there is generally no natural attraction to us. but, i also know that woman are totally different then men, and that they can be reachable emotionally. once they are emotionally attached, they are as available legitimately, certainly in the privacy of my room, hiding from the stigma imposed by society, and sometimes even including public displays of affection, as if we were 20 years old.

if i was saying that i can attract them through the shear force of my appearance alone, then i would accept your conclusions. the problem is, i have proven countless times that they can be reached in other ways. once that is accomplished, there is no obstacle, perhaps even quite the opposite.

i simply have too many personal examples of girls that have demonstrated they are reachable to be convinced that i should accept the prospect of failure before i even make the effort, just because i am a mature male.

first, we must use the money to receive the opportunity. that is the first distinction. because, literally, our young stud competitors do not even need to be sitting in the bars paying money for sex. but, that is the pre-requisite for us. thank god for the girls that are available to us. by paying the money, we get a legitimate shot at them psychologically, which eventually turns their initial aversions to us into legitimate desire. this is what distinguishes men from women. thank god for the distinction. because literally where young women are most definitely reachable and attractable emotionally, young men are generally not. you, meaning the reader, must think like a woman. not an easy task, not something we totally understand, not something we are created to do, and certainly not something we like admitting we have an emotional inclination at.

again, i am reaching them by getting into their heads. frankly, it is a much more powerful and lasting tool than any physical attraction might ultimately prove to be anyway. if i were a newbie at this, then i would accept your conclusions. but, i am not a newbie, and i have proven these theories over and over again. they work. mine is a message of hope for all mature men, if they will listen.

currently, with my gf, i have proven this theory in spades. in her case, i am faithful and relatively unavailable otherwise, and i will continue to do so to preserve the relationship. but, were it to end, i have no doubt that i can re-establish similar relationships, even now, even though i am growing incrementally older. but, i do agree that it will eventually become incrementally more difficult as i grow older each year.

with respect to cindy #1, i will see her as a friend, but only within the controlled environment of the club for the sake of my gf. cindy #1 is definitely nutty, but i believe that most of them have some kind of clinical mental defect, just in varying degrees. i have never felt in danger from her unless you consider being raped a danger. :-)


[quote=amigomio]you evaded your own statement:
in your post say and i quote, "girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when i make a judgment as to my interest level. most of the time, i am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. to me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...i mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

you later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. she does not think i am the pits. certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...but, i have a lot of girls that do not think i am the pits. no, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

iam not talking about your gf, i said what truely is said by the girls. and iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

and again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
the girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

you know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is so old".
you know why? cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

and since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

ps: cindy #1??? when are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? that she is crazy? that she is bipolar???
am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which you are not) to go back looking for her.[/quote]

I know this is a little late but there is the Rule of 32. When a man becomes 32 he officially becomes invisible to any woman under 21. The exception to this rule is for every million $ the man has, he gets 3 years knocked off his age. The sad thing is the rule is exponential. That is why J. Howard Marshal had to have 3/4 of a billion to get Anna Nicole.

[quote=unospongebob]
most girls have never been with an older man. so, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. the better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. those are truly the enlightened girls. their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.
[/quote]

oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.

look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

if you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, all are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

you admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of social psychology.

i say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. i am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, not 95 years old like tony randall, or hugh hefner.

my point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. in my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

the important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

it doesn't matter to me "why" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. it only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. they are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from may to december, but sometimes for years on end. that is how i know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

there can be no other reason they are there. they are there because they are motivated to be there for "other" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. frankly, i believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. of one thing i am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

believe what you want. i have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

to all middle aged men:

young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

i don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. in my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid gfe, even a monogamous gfe if achievable.

you see, i agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. imho, psychological manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. i am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. it is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is not easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. but, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

if successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. of that, i am personally convinced and totally sure.

always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. they are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. if everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. thank god the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

it's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))


[quote=super gato]oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.[/quote]

Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. Whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. Frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

If you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, ALL are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

You admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. Almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of Social Psychology.

I say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. I am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, NOT 95 years old like Tony Randall, or Hugh Hefner.

My point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. Most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. In my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

The important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

It doesn't matter to me "WHY" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. It only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. They are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from May to December, but sometimes for years on end. That is how I know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

There can be NO other reason they are there. They are there because they are motivated to be there for "OTHER" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. Frankly, I believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. Of one thing I am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

Believe what you want. I have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

To all middle aged men:

Young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

I don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. In my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid GFE, even a monogamous GFE if achievable.

You see, I agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. IMHO, Psychological Manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. I am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. It is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is NOT easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. But, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

If successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. Of that, I am personally convinced and totally sure.

Always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. They are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. If everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. Thank God the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

It's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))[/QUOTE]

First, we DO NOT disagree with respect to having a proper strategy for mongering. Certainly, if they are competing for your attention, competing for your business, then their motivation is not an emotional psychological attachment, but a financial one. I understand your strategy with them, and agree with it completely.

Amigomio says, "Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I keep saying that he is totally wrong. His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship, friendship, etc."

I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time.

When I have made mistakes with my GF in the past, slipping back to my old strategies in my interactions with her, it has truly jeopardized what we have together. So, I am doing everything right with her to get what I know is possible within the definition of a hybrid GFE. A hybrid GFE is not really mongering. It is having a legitimate GF. I am not mongering with my GF. That is the distinction.

I try to turn girls that have one kind of motivation, primarily financial, into girls that will yield an altogether different kind of experience, with a minimal financial motivation to their behavior. I get less diversity of action as a result, but I also get a different experience too. For that reason, I am relatively faithful to one girl at this juncture because I don't want my behavior to jeopardize what I like experiencing with her on salida, and because I have legitimately developed feelings for her as well. Were I to conduct myself differently with her, it would ruin the dynamic between us. I can not have it both ways.

I look for a girl to spend hours with me, do all kinds of activities, a girl that actually wants to be there because we are close...a real "relationship," all-be-it one that is most definitely not conventional sociologically, but one that does have a deeper meaning than what you generally find mongering.

I have found that in one girl, and I enjoy my time with her sincerely. But, at the same time, I give up the mongering kind of experience because mongering and maintaining the environment for that relationship do not mix. If I monger, it has to been done with an eye to what might decline with her were I to be caught by her mongering openly.

But, with respect to the comments about a middle aged male not being able to attract and keep a young girl half his age. It is definitely doable, and it is doable with minimal expenditures of money compared to the normal cost of mongering per se. The investment is made up front, just as in mongering normally. But, later, once the relationship is established, the cost is minimal. I have achieved it. That's why I find the comments of na-sayers to be wrong. I have personally been there and done that as a middle aged male.

Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention. It was great for what I want from them within the club, but it will not yield for me what I truly enjoy on salida, not if I maintain that same kind of attitude with them individually. They were strictly competing from my money in the club. There is no emotional attachment. I enjoyed my time with them in the club, but I have little expectation for anything that even remotely approaches hybrid GFE like I get from my GF on salida. I am making some progress with one of them, the other I just met. We will see. I am starting out using your methods, and they work quite well for me initially. They give me exactly what I enjoy in the club, and they break the ice. But, if I employ those same methods to take the scenario further, I will not be successful. Your initial strategies work quite well. But, if you seek what I seek, you have to change over to the USB strategy at some point to bring the scenario along further. But, as we all know, you are not looking for my kind of scenario. It would be detrimental to your circumstances living in Monterrey. For me, it is an altogether different set of circumstances, and I thrive on my hybrid GFE.

I am nice to some that I work on for salida, and I am different to others of them that are strictly for fun and games, sometimes taking them on salida, sometimes having fun with them only within the club. But, the reality is, generally, I am with my GF. Frankly, she gives me so much sex and attention, that I do not really care one way or the other whether I even touch another girl. I am totally and completely satiated by her. Frankly, I believe she believes that if she wears me out, I will be a good boy. She is smart. She stays with me long time, wears me out, and we are both happy.

What I get from my GF is totally different than what I get mongering. There is a huge distinction. I am merely pointing out that we CAN employ methods that will transcend that initial financial motivation in them. It just depends what you are looking for. In my case, I am looking for a different kind of experience. I have that experience now, and I merely look for other opportunities for a future time when things may change between my GF and me.

But, of course, I also have girls that are strictly for fun. With those girls, I do not make the same kind of effort, use the same kinds of strategies, etc...With girls that are strictly for fun and games, I totally agree with you and your strategies. You don't witness me using those strategies now because I have developed a preference where those kinds of strategies do not serve my ultimate purpose, which is to maintain my best hybrid GFE of all time with a really HOT, very sexy, very loving, very attached, very sweet, totally legitimate GF. However, in saying that, I also realize that things can change. So, I am keeping my eyes open, and watching for other candidates. But, honestly, I do not have the energy to maintain more than one hybrid GFE. It takes all I have to maintain that scenario. To take on more than one would almost literally kill me, and rub me raw.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.[/QUOTE]