My girlfriend once bought cel phones for about 3 or 4 guys at the mall in Medellin ... in her name of course ... but it was easy.
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My girlfriend once bought cel phones for about 3 or 4 guys at the mall in Medellin ... in her name of course ... but it was easy.
I prefer the LDV mujeres, as opposed to street muchachas. I have found with getting older it gets easier to negotiate price. I'm 52, and at this point in my life, I just don't give a shit! If she doesn't meet my price I let her go. I really have never enjoyed haggling, so it's a chore for me. If you get a girl back to your room, and they go to the frig. for food, go through your stuff in general, boot em out. This can be hard, but if she's that rude., the fuck probably won't be that good anyway.
Buena suerte mi amigos.
Swede116
someone can buy it in their name. and there will probably be no problem. i just like to be as clean as i can down here. there is a reason for all the fucking around. or so i'm told.
you need the photos for the photo id that you are supposed to carry when you carry your cell phone. if the police find a cell phone on your person and you don't have the id for it, they could confirep001e the phone.
The only way to do it is to get someone to send you a SIM chip and pop it into your phone when you touch down in Colombia.
Hi Tom
I have a **** secretary (leggy red head about 5'9") 40 years old, 150#, who just loves to get nasty. She is joining me in Cartegena on December 10th til about the 19th. I think I'll pimp her out at LDV and let her pick up gringos, or who ever makes her pussy wet. She loves DP and having a third one in her mouth really sends her, I like to watch, at times join in. I have to admit I have enjoyed sloppy sloppy seconds or thirds with her.
Friday night her and I went to a costume party. I exchanged about three sentences with a knockout beautiful tall (smart) brunette dressed like cat woman, she was wearing a flimsy latex material hanging over her breasts and **** with crotchless fishnet stockings. Within two minutes we were DFK, moments later I was tweaking and sucking her nipples, finger banging her, this while we watched her date/husband pressing my secretary against the wall dry humping her while she had her arm around another guys shoulder. The four of us left soon after because the creeps were starting make advances. I enjoy gorgeous people who like to get nasty.
Anyway she'ss staying with me, her boyfriend/fiance thinks she is going to Cancun with some girlfriends. She is a true a **** (though discriminating), drinks very little but get's extremely nasty after smoking a little pot.
She wants to be a hooker for a week. How could I refuse, so I am giving her an early Christmas bonus. Any mongers who want a shot at her PM me.
RW
comcel service like t33 explained on gi thread seems the way to go and perhaps get a better rate on most calls. do you guys think one of the cell service providers have extended service clear out to san andreas island??
i like juan ventura he has offered to help me make domestic travel arangements. alex is picking me up at the airport he charges $15.00 to haul me and luggage to the apartment. i am staying at: edificio marinare, apartment 1004, calle 1 num 2-158, el laguito.
juan said i would have to buy an internet card, he did not refer to this particular apartment as having highspeed internet service. prior to my departure back to the usa i will be back to cartegena for a week staying in another juan apartment (2 bedroom) however he did refer to it as having high speed internet. this leads me to think apartment 1004 will not have dsl and i will not be able to hook up my vonage modem. i sent juan an email regarding this concern. thought maybe someone would be kind enough to explain what the heck an internet card is. sounds like an old telephone modem device, which is going to be way to slow with no international calling feature.
i don't know how to repay you mongers for all this advise. unless i can buy you guys lunch or drinks, i'll just plan on posting a bunch of photos. thanks.
You may mean 1204 Marinare. Or at least I hope you do. This apt. is owned by a friend of mine and is great. You will really like it. Juan goes out of his way to help you with everything. He is from Barcelona, Spain, speaks good English, and knows the meaning of customer service. Good move using Alex for your first run.
The Internet card is a prepago(pre-paid). You get maybe 15 hours of connect time for 15K(US$6.50). It is dial-up. But it works fairly well.
The other apartment may be the one owned by Juan in Playa Mar. It is right below the one I own. I have a wireless router so his clients can use my cable Internet(120 kps).
thinking of buying a 1 BR ocean front apt. in Laguito. Needs about 5K in modernizations. Does anyone know about the price to pay for one of these? Anyone thinking of selling? Please PM me. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Ngp477]thinking of buying a 1 BR ocean front apt. in Laguito. Needs about 5K in modernizations. Does anyone know about the price to pay for one of these? Anyone thinking of selling? Please PM me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Generally you look at the square meter price for new construction with equal view, amenities, maintemento and then offer 60-70%. Figure in your transfer taxes and if you can not agree on 80%, He is probably just fishing and you are better off looking at something else. Here in Lima new oceanfront properties only go for $1000 a square meter and used properties can be had for $800. When buying real estate abroad you should rent for at least a year and pay close attention to the political situation. Uribe can not run again and Chavez is doing his best to influence upcoming elections in neighboring countries. (which will be detrimental to foreign ownership) I have bought several properties in Lima and intend on buying more. Even here it is a crapshoot with the elections next year, but at least in Peru the economics are a tailwind as opposed to Columbia. Always remember "Due Diligence is the primary key to investment success."
Bueno Suerte
LB
Hey T,
Well at first it was going to be 1204 but I recieved an email later from Juan and he said it was going to be 1004. Of course my itenary changed a few times as well. I better check with Juan's but his email does not always work, I get about half of them returned so I end up sending them to the web site address. That is actually kind of a hassle because I barely have time to reply let alone trying to find the one I sent that was previously sent, copying it and then going to the web site to find the other email address and sending it again. I sent via Western Union one days rent and I bet it sat there for 3-4 days before I could go to his web site and alert him after sending him previous emails that came back a day or two later as undelieverable.
in the Presidential election next year and should be easily re-elected. The constitution was changed to allow for this.
There are many variables in pricing in Laguito. You can look at 1.5 million pesos per square meter plus or minus. Shitty buildings like El Conquistador go for much less.
Z-I'll PM the address I use for Juan. I probably send him three E's a week. None has ever bounced.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]in the Presidential election next year and should be easily re-elected. The constitution was changed to allow for this.
There are many variables in pricing in Laguito. You can look at 1.5 million pesos per square meter plus or minus. Shitty buildings like El Conquistador go for much less.
Tom, Thank you for the clarifaction on Uribe. I am assuming the 1,500,000 peso's per meter is not for new construction as that is fairly reasonable ($65 /sq.ft) considering the size of Cartagena.
Lb
Correct, LB. New construction is going for 2 to 2.5 million pesos per square meter or more. You do get some better stuff in the new buildings(e.g. the emergency generator may power the entire building rather than just the emergency lights and elevators).
Drinking-Mongering
BOG 11/ 26, 11/26.
CRT11/27-12/4.
BOG 11/5
Any one in town?
4th trip
BELMONT
I'm planning to stay a month or longer in Cartagena. I've been surfing the net for a place to stay. I have in mind a condo on the beach in a nice building. Every other time I've only stayed a week or so and I stayed at the Las Americas Hotel. Could someone provide me with a recommendation and contact info of where to stay?
[QUOTE=China Monger]I'm planning to stay a month or longer in Cartagena. I've been surfing the net for a place to stay. I have in mind a condo on the beach in a nice building. Every other time I've only stayed a week or so and I stayed at the Las Americas Hotel. Could someone provide me with a recommendation and contact info of where to stay?[/QUOTE]China Monger - Contact Mery at [email]oficerna@yahoo.com[/email] she has a number of apartments available for rent in Cartagena.
Thanks for the information from Dogman and others. I have 2 apartments in Edificio Tocogua to look at.
They seem alot cheaper than Centauro or Playa Mar, a 1 Bedroom sea front in Centauro is on the market for $50K and in Tocogua there are 1 BR sea front units for $32.5K.
Does anyone know why they are cheaper? Not as many gringos in them? More of a rental building? Tocogua is closer to LDV.
Mery Salence said this building is having erosion problems from the sand washing away, and that the building is in litigation with the government to get them to repair the erosion. Some of the buildings on the ocean have rivetments out into the seaside to protect their sand from washing out. Does anybody know about this problem or others in Tocogua?
Anyone know of 1 BR units for sale? Please PM me. Thanks for the info so far. I hope to be in Cart next weekend looking.
ranks pretty close to El Conquistador for crap. The owner of the Israeli Restaurant is trying to sell his 1 bedroom in Tocahagua. I got trapped in an elevator in that building in Feb. of 2003. They did get new elevators.
There used to be a beach from Playa Mar connecting with the one past Tocahagua. The city has plans to rebuild that beach.
There are a whole bunch of these small islands, some are nice and some are not so nice. Can anyone recommend a good one, a name or two would be nice.
Gracias
anyone in Cart now? I hear the crowd is there because of the Miss Colombia pageant? Everyone wants to charge more for apartment rental to me because they say the units are all full. Is it true or false. Thanks.
Hi,
I am planning my first visit to CTG in early December for two weeks. My number two priority for the trip is plenty of sunshine. I have been checking the internet weather sites and they have been showing lots of cloud and rain in recent weeks. Is this correct? Does the weather tend to improve in December or would I be better off waiting until January? Thanks
On arrival in CTG I am planning to spend a few nights in the Hotel Almirante before deciding where to stay for the rest of the trip.
In CTG at the moment. Not too crowded yet, but it seems to be picking up as it gets closer to the end of this week with festivities going on and such. It is true that apartments are harder to come by and are more expensive this week.
Another thing comparing to last year the quality and quantity of girls seem to hve gone down considerably. Girls routinely ask 200K for un rato, 300K por toda la noche, no thank you. Dont pay more than 100-150 until after they leave and if you party with them they´ll stay til the morning. Overall P4P scene seems to be overrun by gringos though I didn´t see that many from US per se, I saw tons of johns from europe at GiroMatto the other night at least 4-1 ratio not in our favor.
I will return to Cartagena to try to score a freebie and just enjoy the beach the islands, but this certainly not much a p4p destination anymore. Now that we´ve Costaricanized Cartagena time to move on to other parts of the country (or pay big $$$ for quality paisas in Panama city).
The holiday starts today and runs until Tuesday. The town is packed and places are scarce. You will normally pay a premium for lodging at this time of year.
Sean, I could not disagree more. I have lived here now for three years. The quality and quantity of chicas continues to improve. They asked for 200K three years ago for ST. You can get good quality for 50-60K for ST. Just troll the beaches and streets. I got one for 30K in Centro a couple of weeks ago. I occasionally go to LDV and pay 100K for ST. I haven't been to Giro Matto for a long time. That place doesn't even start hopping until 2:00 am.
prices are cheaper for girls you get from the street. they ask for 80-100,000 but will take 40,000 pesos for ST. Steet selection is limited to only that girl, or look for another on the street for a half an hour. Often you just run into a nice looking girl on the street, talk to her and make a deal. Alot of the street or beach girls have body odor, from being outside for several hours, and are less refined. I had one go thru my frig without being invited, next time I will throw this type of girl out, period.
If you go to the night clubs, selection is much better, but the girls all talk to eachother, like us men do here, about prices. Almost like they are a union, with minimum prices. But the girls are more refined, better dressed, and you know you probably will not get scammed, because you can come back to the club the next night and probably see them there again.
Last month I had a girl agree to140,000 pesos TLN at LDV and then when I was ready to go, she said she wanted another drink and brushed me off. I then moved on to the another girl at the bar and negotiated with the other girl for 140,000 pesos also and said the first girl had agreed to that price. Next I watched the 2 girls talk to eachother, like a cat fight, and the 2d girl was criticising the 1st girl for agreeing to a price so low!
I ended up taking a 3d girl out for ST for about 120,000 pesos. Usually all the LDV girls will start out with 200,000 pesos for ST, about 300 for LT. I usually counter with 100,000 pesos and see what they say next. If they don't drop real fast I move on to another beauty. I probably should counter with 80,000 pesos as my first offer.
It is strickly business for the girls at nightclubs, but the best ones I have found were more shy and did not talk too much with other girls at the nightclubs. Some of these girls are more girl friend experience types and will end up being sweethearts that you want to spend more time with.
I'm no Cartagena expert but if you guys are paying more then $100,000K for long time you have lost it!
You guys have to look at it like this the average Colombian makes $15 to $20 U.S. per day, that is like $46,000 pesos! And you guys are willing to pay a protitute 4 times that amount?
Hell I love in Calif and I only pay $80.00 at massage parlor for a quick rub down and a quick nut, granted no GF experience but hell I'm not looking for that at all, just a nut!
I'm 43 and in the past 18 months I have been to Colombia 7 times, and I always, get hit on by a Chicas ALWAYS, that's right they come after my ass!
This is what works for me! Learn a little espanol! If you attempt to talk to them in spanish even with a $20 pocket translator that shit goes a long ass way!
If I find a girl that I like the last thing I try to do is HUSTLE them! If you want to kick with them for a while no Hustle, just be a nice guy and the next thing you know, they will be making your ass breakfast in the morning and you'll be taping that ass for FREE! (Simi Free)
Guys the same way we are not looking to hook up with a Gordita, these girls are not looking to hang out with a Gordito, so try to stay in shape!
For free pussy I always go to one of the many web sites six weeks before I travel and try to hook up with a girl well in advance.
I have also hooked up with a tour guide in BAQ, that has save me money, got to see things that on my own I would never have had the opportunity to see , and hooked me up with a lot of semi pro action!
Any new chica that walks in the door is taken aside by a vet. The vet explains the pricing and probably attempts to intimidate the new girl. Hell, I'd do the same in their position. I would guess that chicas collude in every venue. You just have to decide what it is worth to you.
I also think the internet, Bruce's site in particular though this one too, was a primary factor in the Costarica-ization of CTG. Granted it IS a special city, and granted many gringos won't have the balls to leave the security cocoon, but I still worry about it spilling over into the less touristy parts on the country which I prefer.
I can't comment on current quality in CTG as I rarely go back any more as i I have moved on towards greener pastures.
I have a friend who worked at LDV until about 3 months ago ... she said they work on the stupidity / horniness of a guy.
She's pretty hot and delgada (thin) ... so she was popular with gringos ... she said she's gotten from 800,000 from some Euro-gringos por TLN ... to charging $0 if she really liked a guy.
She said it really depended on the situation ... not many guys around and she liked you ... she'd go at 100,000 TLN.
One US gringo paid her 2,000,000 pesos to go on vacation to San Andreas ... incredible ... most of these Colombianas would die to go with ya for nothing buts lots of LOOOOOOVE!
Really, if you're smart and willing to walk away from a beeeeeatch who's trying to charge muuuucho ... you won't break the bank for a piece of Colombiana.
Suerte
[She's pretty hot and delgada (thin) ... so she was popular with gringos ... she said she's gotten from 800,000 from some Euro-gringos por TLN ... to charging $0 if she really liked a guy.
This concerns me, there are too many guys pissing thier money away ruining it for the hardcore mongers, Th eexchange rate is like at 2000 cop right now, I remember when it was close to 2900, we have to be a monger union , those bar girls and escorts all collude in prices according to the exchange rate. I know this for fact because when I lived in Bogota en zona rosa I had a neighbor girl that was a worker, and she really thought the gringoes were crazy for pussy the way they threw their $$ around for it. Of course she had a beautiful apartment and quit her day job to trick full time. She married an American that was 57 and retired from nasa, and talked him into selling his house in Central florida to buy a condo in Miami so she could be closer to her family and friends. OBTW she still will trick if the situation is right and it does not complicate or jeopardize her realation with this pussy numbed gringo. My wife is Colobian, I have been with her 15 years and met her in Miami when she was working as a journalist for El Herald, the Spanish Miami Herald. She is a good woman, and a good mother , she just happened to marry a **** for a husband but that is my secret agent life. I speak pretty good spanish and when I am in Colombia for business if you chat up the local women and treat them nice you can get laid either that night or on the 2nd. date. I use services if I dont have time but find that the non-pro stuff is absolutely the best. A working single Mom making 30$ a day is grateful when you take her to dinner buy her drinks, and a little gift. They will like to act the innocent stuff and usually they say after your in bed that they would never do this so fast but you are special, it just warms my heart.
tom33: Maybe things aren't so bad outside of the events week.
I'd be careful with street walkers (carreterra putas). I met one very cute one on the street in old city, she said she was 20 and she was, my doorman always checks IDs of girls I bring in, gave me wrong name though, they all do, we had a drink and I took some photos of her (I'll probably put them up later) so she is down to her g string asking for 100K which she was well worth but she wanted the money upfront. That's a no no. All sorts of thoughts run through my head including am I getting ripped off and why isn't she working in one of the regular joints then?? She was very very pretty but I never saw her again in any of the places in the consequent nights. Long story short I sent her on her way with 5K taxi money, a corageous act considering vitamin V was already starting to kick in.
Going back to what happened I should have probably given her half up front since she was probably inexperienced. Lesson taught and learned, she won't ask next monger money upfront.
Is Medellin still a nonpro capital for longer stays, or is Medellin full of Italians and Israelis like Cartagena already??
Sean,
I have paid up front several times without a problem and haven't had any more problems with street girls than club girls. In general the SGs are sweeter and have better attitudes than the club girls. They are also happy with much less money.
MDE is much larger with less tourists. You can, however, find plenty of non-pro action in any Colombian city including CTG. MDE is a very special place.
I had a great time at the La Dulce Vita, hooking up with a sweet thing about 90 pounds with an incredible appetite. She asked for COP 300,000 for TLN, but accepted 200,000. My buddies were giving me grief about it, but she gave me an experience that would cost easy $2,000 in the States, so I told them to stuff it, with glee. What a night.
We hooked up with a tout name of Gregory for one day, and he took us to two different nightclubs. The first one was a dump, and charged $8 per beer for the lousiest strip show I’ve ever almost seen – they had the lights down so low you could hardly tell when she finally took her clothes off. But that might have been a blessing because she surely wasn’t attractive to my eyes. We left before I finished my beer.
The second place is called “Tink of the Sea.” This place is much nicer, wide open spaces, lots of tables, and about 20 women in bikinis were wandering around at 0200 Saturday. The women are not aggressive at all. If you want one to sit near you, you have to ask them over. But they will come over and be very nice to you if you ask. I picked a sweet thing for COP 135,000 for an hour. The women live in the rooms, kind of like a sorority house set up, with the women in residence for a contract period. My girl told me it was about a 50-50 split, with the house taking their share for rent, etc. The address is Nuevo Campestre Street 10 No. 56B-51. You would never think that this was a casa because it looks just like a auto repair junk yard from the outside. But it is nice enough inside. Drinks were $7 per here, but I didn’t mind it because the scenery was well worth it. Definitely a place to go back to.
Both clubs were visited by heavily armed Colombian police while we were in them. It was so strange – about six guys walk in with body armor, machine guns, shotguns, and pistols – but after a quick glance, everybody just ignores them! Except the proprietors, who casually walk over and start chatting them up. Several of the cops then case the joint, walking around slowly and giving some people some attention, others nada. In each case the management is at pains to let us gringos know that “no hay problema” (there is no problem) it’s just a normal law enforcement show of force to make sure no bad guys get any ideas about laxity in the PD.
Several threads have mentioned La Tripletera, and we tried to give them our business three times. But every time we went in there, the place was completely empty. I don’t know what was going on, but there were no women, and there were more doormen and wait staff then there were customers. So maybe someone can enlighten me as to what was going on there in Oct 2005.
We stayed in a great apartment in Laguito for $100 per night. This apartment had three bedrooms, two baths, and was a great deal. It also features the sound advice of the agent for all things Cartagena. The web site: [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url]
One of the bedrooms in our apartment wasn’t that great because it was set up with bunk beds. But the building is friendly, has a small pool, is right on the beach, and we had complete freedom to bring guests home. For two guys, this is a total bargain because the delux setting really impresses the women.
Not just Italians and Israeli, but AMERICAN SEX TOURISTS TOO! Try Medellin and Cali Sean, or other cities too. Laguito is the exception (thankfully), not the rule.
The festival week is busier with COLOMBIANS, but the foreigners are in Laguito most always nowadays.
Re prepaying, never had a problem with that at all in Colombia. I often leave the money out on the nightstand for them to find so they do not have to ask (which is akward). I prefer to get the $$$ thing resolved so it is not an issue during the lovin. . . .
I had one from LDV a few days ago that wanted 100K ST. In the bedroom she wanted it all up front and started making rules about no kiss, no touch my cookie, etc. Girl was 19 and a looker, but wanted to control the session.
I told her to leave and she promised she would stay the whole 2 hours and behave, I should trust her about the money. I gave her half up front, 50K and found out what a dominant person she was in bed. No fun, hard time getting hard, pussy too tight to get it in very well, etc. I finally kicked her out without busting a nut and she left with the 50K. Sorry, but I should've never let her stay once she started demanding up front money and making rules. I have always been disappointed when they start talking about their money and it is their dominant theme before the bed. It poisons the mood and deflates the erection. Sex is about power and control, at least it is for me. If I wanted to argue, or have restrictions placed on me I would try an american *****.
Had a nice GFE from another LDV gal a few days later. 100K and it was worth it. Girl was 27 with 2 babies, but flat tummy and bigger pussy.
In between I tried a couple of street girls for about 70K. They all say they are worth 100K an hour, but no body pays that. Both girls were black but decent. One had a shirt covering her tummy -a warning sign for bad stretch marks. I now ask the girl to lift up her shirt for me to see her tummy before we get to far into negotiation.
I also got the cell phone number of a looker at LDV and said I would call her the next day. She wanted 150K for ST, I countered with 80K and she did not respond, so I said no thanks and hung up. The best way to negotiate sometimes is "NEXT!"
Now as I get older and wiser I am alot quicker to say no and ask the girl to leave if I am not happy about her behavior. After all, I am the one paying for her to pleasure me, and if Mr. Happy is not happy, there are alot of other entertainers out there who can make him "rise to the occasion."
Not the biggest deal in the world here, but I tend to agree with the buddies who were giving you grief. The "mistake" you made was comparing how much TLN with a hottie costs in the USA. You weren't in the USA. You were in Colombia. This is how the prices get driven up, and why all the girls are asking for more.
Glad you had a good time, you'll drive a harder bargain in what I'm sure will be future trips. Thanks for the report!
A few months ago i was paying average of around 80-120k in CTG. Now thanks to this sort of thinking i'll have a hard time paying that again as the girls will expect gringo's to pay 200-300.
Paying those prices is a bit like passive smoking.... your actions cause me problems.
Comparing it with US prices or girls or services is plain dumb. Look at the price of everything around you. When you found out beer at the local bars was only about a dollar did you immediately pay triple like in the US? The girls don't think any more of you if you pay these inflated asking price, they quite often think you're a sap for paying that much to start with.
Rule No 1: There is LITTLE OR NO linear relationship between money paid and services rendered. Paying double does not guarantee twice as good a service.
Don't export fucked up US pricing to Colombia. Look at Costa Rica where the damage is already done.
Relatively speaking in the developed world goods are cheap and services expensive, in the developing world its the other way round. Lets keep it that way!
Hello Biffy and the other guys who want to give me a lecture on driving prices up. First, I hope you don't expect to get a Mercedez for the same price you pay for a Chevy Cavalier. The woman I paid COP 200,000 was absolutely the best looking, finest woman on the premises that night (in my opinion, of course). She started at COP 300,000, and it took an hour to agree on 200,000. There were definitely many women in the club that would have taken the lower prices you quote - I just didn't want them.
Second, my comment about the $2k US was merely to remind myself what a deal we get in Colombia. This woman was only the nicest experience I've had in about five years of this hobby - except for the woman I met in Medellin four nights later (which I also paid too much for according to some members here - same price, same characteristics, same wonderful experience).
Some of you may think that it is our mission to keep these people starving so we can exploit them. I'm not in your camp, so sorry. I am happy to pay a fair price for the excellent services I receive. Comparing what they do and the wage they receive to the current average wage rate in their country doesn't hold water for me. It's like saying a football player shouldn't make millions because Joe six pack only earns $45k year.
Finally, I've found that beating anybody down to the very last penny they will accept in a business transaction invariably leads to an unsatisfactory experience. For example, I seldom pick the lowest bidder on a construction job. It just doesn't pay off. You get shitty work, shitty attitude, and shitty satisfaction. After reasonable negotiations, I would rather pay a little bit more and get the higher quality.
Whatever amigo ... bottom line is ... you're over-paying.
Paying a fair price is not exploiting anyone, starving anyone, etc ... over-paying is just that ... over paying ... and the prices will continue to rise as more and more gringos visit Colombia with the attitude: "I don't mind paying that price because in the US the prices are .... blah, blah ..."
"I'm so much nicer than those other mean gringos who want the chicas to starve"
It's the truth. Like the last guy said ... these chicas don't think you're any cooler because you paid them mucho ... too much.
I have friends, chicas, who work in these clubs in Colombia ... trust me, they appreciate you sure, but laugh about the prices you paid later ... they think it's funny that guys will pay some of these prices for their sex ... and some guys have paid even much more than you ... incredible.
Bottom line ... yes, pay the chica a fair price, but let's not get Colombia out of control like Panama / Costa Rica.
Of course, treat the chicas nicely, with respect, pay a fair price and have fun.
Mis dos centavos si quieren pagar demasiado.
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Well put senor Chocha Monger.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Mis dos centavos si quieren pagar demasiado.
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It could not have been said any better!. Thanks for posting something that was very much needed.
Yes, Chocha that's the way it is.
I'm of the opinion we should spread disinformation about Colombia and how dangerous it is, just to keep the amateurs mongers away, I guess they'd be equally happy throwing money around Costa Rica anyway.
First of all to compare a Chevy to a Mercedez is apples and oranges! As far as driving up the prices, oh yeah!
I live in a small town in California called Upland! I paid $445 for my little 1800 sf home now in Los Angeles my home would cost damn close to a million, but would anyone in their right mind give me one mil for my little starter house here in Upland? Hell NO!
My sister lives in Los Angeles has a small 1200 sf home and this is on a 6700 sf lot and it is worth around $900,000, now could I move this house to anywhere else in the country and fetch the same price? With few exceptions hell no!
I break it down to them like this plain economics, you can leave with me for $100,000 or go home alone? But of course my approach is alot more dulce.
My current Novia makes $800,000 per month and per her she lives good, her mom is a tax attorney for the goverment and might make 2 mil per month and again according to my Novia mom is doing A OK!
One thing my girl told me that Gringo's are to quick to open up their wallets, and I listen to her! We are off to San Andres in two days, and I bull shit you not she is paying for her own ticket! OK OK her dad was a pilot for Avianca so the ticket for her is free!
Porque paga mas?????
Though some of these girls may be desperate, especially if they're not the hottest or it's the end of the month and they need rent money (though most still live at home with mom and/or kid/s), no one has made note of the fact that the hottest girls will often always go for more not just because they're smokin, but because the buyer is a total turnoff and isn't going to score UNLESS he shells out the bucks. Though a gringo is somewhat of a novelty in Colombia, even in Cartagena (more so with blonde hair and blue eyes), more than a few of these girls have standards, and unless you're an attractive guy and/or have a good personality, you're probably going to pay more, or at least experience a real bidding war. Of course, there are always exceptions.
If you're at LDV at 3:00AM , chances are you're going to get your price, but by that time the best chicas are long gone. But if you show up at midnight and are corpulent, slovenly, awkward, hideous or ungainly in any way, you're the last resort of the hoochie mamas in the crib, UNLESS you pull out the pesos. It also depends on what you're looking for. If you speak fluent Spanish like I do, then you'd be willing to pay a bit more for a girl with a good personality (though most of them are so damn interesting because they've lived such crazy lives, especially those from the campo). At the same time, a guy with some linguistic dexterity and charisma is going to earn a lower price or pay none at all, and when you get it for free at a place like LDV (though you obviously still spend $ there or at a disco), then you know you're a Cracker Jack and can expect not only some good lovin, but some quality time with a girl you'll end up getting to know beyond the bedroom. It all depends on the dude, but speaking the language and having lived in Latin America on and off for over three years, I look to learn more about the people and places I encounter, as sex is never far or hard to find, though I surely have my physical preferences. I banter with the hottest girls in the place after getting a drink and reconnoitering the place, then pursue the most genuine and original.
For example, in October I was in LDV and waiting for a chica I spent the night before with, when this other hottie sat down next to me, said I was "guapisimo" and asked "te puedo dar un beso?" before shoving her tongue down my throat. She then leaned over and said into my ear, "Me encanta tener sexo por las pompis." (I love it in the backdoor.) Now, some guys might drool right there and pay 200K for that, but I was waiting for my muñeca and didn't want to spend any time with what ended up being the sluttiest girl I met in two weeks down there. What this chick taught me (along with plenty of others with whom I spoke), is that they often get bored spending time with guys who they can't communicate with, and will not only try to, but expect to squeeze more money out of them. (Of course, as many of you prove, this is not always the case.) She also taught me that although looking good and dressing well will get you far, speaking the language is a real clincher. Again, much can be imputed to the looks/personality factor, and though any aversions a chica may feel towards a monger, a good personality can certainly surmount them, but la lengua may be the greatest resource, especially for the thrifty.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes, you gotta have some dick control and not overpay, especially when anyone with a brain comes here first to verify prices before heading south. Even if you look like a troll, you'll find a counterpart anywhere down there, but if you want to get with the real mamacitas you're going to have to pay more. Plenty of girls say no to guys down there, and I attribute this to those overpaying which has allowed them to not only expect more dough, but be more picky when it comes to who they chill with. So bottom line is, don't overpay, there are more than enough girls to go round, and if you're a leper don't try to get with the honey babies and don't be so damn impulsive. It makes me think some of these guys haven't been with a girl for years and just say yes to the first price they're quoted so as to just grab the girl and head out, hoping they still remember how to work the machinery. THINK ABOUT THE REST OF US AND NOT JUST MR. JOHNSON!
Perhaps the most important lesson learned is, speaking the language is the ultimate ace in the hole. KNOWING SPANISH IS PRICELESS. I've been all over Central America, Cuba and Mexico and I find the people in all those places to be quite pleasant, especially the Mexicans, and I find that my personality translates perfectly in Spanish, perhaps better, which has afforded me the most incredible and unbelievable experiences of my life south of the border, not to mention more friends and chicas than I know what to do with. Colombians are indeed as gracious and charming as they say, they speak excellent Spanish (which is important if you know how bad they speak in the Caribbean/Central America), and they left me in awe from the moment I landed in Bogotá to the day I left Cartagena.
I highly recommend learning some Spanish, especially if you really want to learn something about Colombia and its people besides how well the girls can grind. I never got so much tail with so little effort in my life, and I've met way too many desperate chavalas in my life. Whether it was a waitress at El Cucharón, a chica in the plaza, or getting phone numbers at La Piscina for an adventure the following day instead of a rushed 20 minutes/60K on the premises, the español never failed, and it earns you mad respect. It also brings you right into the reality of Colombia given to you by the people who know it best. No travel guide can give you that.
I should add that I'm late 20s, possess the aforementioned traits and am in great shape (which no doubt helped and added to the novelty factor), but speaking the language opened so many damn doors there, and made the chicas I didn't choose jealous, as my muñeca even insisted on stopping in at LDV one night after we went out for some eats just to gloat and earn bragging rights. Man, that's when you know you scored, more so when the girl stays with you for 8 days, sleeps with you until 2 PM every day and never asks for a cent after the first night - though she did get drinks and discos on me the whole week, in addition to some companionship, which they value a lot more than you think, especially when so many of them are young, single moms who have often been dicked and ditched by those ungrateful Colombian men. Sorry to toot my horn, but I had a blast, learned a lot, and wanted to put my two cents in, whether you like it or not...
I was one of the ones to make a comment about Travel Fun’s over paying but no means do I intend to slight him for it. Why do we pay more and I am guilty of it too but not by the same amount and certainly not anymore.
My take on LP’s Q… por que paga mas? Sometimes I think it’s a westernized/gringo guilt thing and these chicas can be so damn good at their jobs we just can’t so no to the high prices. We feel that we have so much and they have so little. Maybe that’s it?
But let’s keep things in perspective, LP from what I understand your girl is not a pro but an average Colombiana working one of the low paying shitty jobs. I think you would have no qualms paying for the whole trip to San Andres Island. Heck I’d do the same and there was a time I’d do the same for a puta too. But now after a few trips to Colombia and improving my Spanish I don’t even go to the casa de putas anymore. It’s difficult enough to find the time to shag the ones that want to shag me. That’s not bragging it’s just the way it is there when you live there for a few months at a time.
As it has been said over and over there is no need to pay more for the service and I am glad to see others know first had as well that these chicas/putas/pre-pagos laugh and talk about the gringo bobo that has just handed over $300K COP that they have been giving it up for free to the hijeputa colombiano that has knocked them up for the umpteenth time… LOL
desfutar pagar mas pendejos… (bromar)
Rufus, It is true that my girl did pay for her own Airline Ticket From BAQ to San Andres, but yes I will eventually pay off her Credit Card. Hell this is my fifth trip to Colombia and I always bring a suitcase filled with goodies.
I have always been an advocate of why pay more! My Novia and her friends have seen Gringo's come to Colombia and thay all have said the FIRST mistake we make is opening up our wallets, be it to a pro or non-pro!
The reason why I bring up the fact that this young lady reaches in her own pocket, just absolutely blows my mind, and of course I get a little bragging rights.
Rufus, your 100% right if you learn the language a bit more and take the time to understand the culture, and for whatever reason the woman come after you!
From what I understand if a person makes $800,000 Colombia they are doing pretty good, hell she even has a Master Card.
One point that you hinted on was that we gringo's have so much and they have so little, I'm not really sure about that one! From a material stand point sure compared to our neighbors in the south we are loaded, but from a happiest level who is to say, anyhow I'm getting way off track here!
Besides the forum I use this as a scale on how much to pay, I pay a girl what I pay for my room! In CTG my average cost for a room is $50 In Cancun it is $125 In Thailand it is $20 In Lima $20.
This subject will never die! To my American Gringo friends living here and abroad, have a happy turkey day. And to the rest of ya have a great Holiday and be safe!
Hey you dudes are absolutely corecto!
In a nutshell ... sure these chicas will take whatever money you throw at them ... and you will be forever "el gringo bobo que tiene mucha plata".
As LP and the Rufus were saying though ... when you talk to them, bond with them, become friends or more .... they will show you the LOVE ... pro or non-pro alike.
Disfruten las Colombianas ... son bellas.
Yo voy a Venezuela hoy ... son bellas tambien!
Suerte!
Travel Fun,
Thanks for reporting and glad you had a great time in Colombia. Colombianas are really something special.
I have to agree with what the others are saying about overpaying. I've sometimes paid 10% or 15% above market just to seal a deal. But please don't overpay by too much more than that.
Here's a post by Capt Dave on the Argentina forum, which I think is food for thought. Especially the last sentence.
[quote="Capt Dave"]
Starfe
I HATE to get too involved in this somewhat childish discussion about overpaying chicas, but I do want to thank Bambino for "taking one for the team" - that is EXACTLY what you did.
Those of us who live here (and, BTW, provide an endless source of updated info on the scene here, as well as guidance when you are down here visiting) have to deal with the inflated prices you who are only here for a short time don't feel quite as hard. To you its just 30U$S dollars more, but to me it's thousands (or even 10's of thousands) of dollars over a year.
Once all the chicas are expecting 300 pesos, the ones we want will want 400 or 500, and the cycle will continue.
I live here because I like the lifestyle, and at least for now, I can afford my hobby.
It's possible that your silver spoon has kept you from ever working for tips, but I have, I NEVER thought anyone was a "great guy" because he overtipped/overpaid me - I thought he was an a**hole, (even though I took the money).
So, THANKS Bambino - I really appeciate your "taking one for the team" and not falling for the line that the management at Madahos has "set" the price at $300 - that is BS, by the way.
I will be back in BsAs by the 20th, and I will be happy to take you around and show you why you shouldn't (and don't have to) pay that kind of price for some 1st class company!
I will not respond to flames over this post - there is no point. I would just like to mention that if you enjoy the information we-who-live-here make available, try to help us out by not pissing in our pool!
David
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[QUOTE=Alachingada]Though some of these girls may be desperate, especially if they're not the hottest or it's the end of the month and they need rent money (though most still live at home with mom and/or kid/s), no one has made note of the fact that the hottest girls will often always go for more not just because they're smokin, but because the buyer is a total turnoff and isn't going to score UNLESS he shells out the bucks. Though a gringo is somewhat of a novelty in Colombia, even in Cartagena (more so with blonde hair and blue eyes), more than a few of these girls have standards, and unless you're an attractive guy and/or have a good personality, you're probably going to pay more, or at least experience a real bidding war. Of course, there are always exceptions.
If you're at LDV at 3:00AM , chances are you're going to get your price, but by that time the best chicas are long gone. But if you show up at midnight and are corpulent, slovenly, awkward, hideous or ungainly in any way, you're the last resort of the hoochie mamas in the crib, UNLESS you pull out the pesos. It also depends on what you're looking for. If you speak fluent Spanish like I do, then you'd be willing to pay a bit more for a girl with a good personality (though most of them are so damn interesting because they've lived such crazy lives, especially those from the campo). At the same time, a guy with some linguistic dexterity and charisma is going to earn a lower price or pay none at all, and when you get it for free at a place like LDV (though you obviously still spend $ there or at a disco), then you know you're a Cracker Jack and can expect not only some good lovin, but some quality time with a girl you'll end up getting to know beyond the bedroom. It all depends on the dude, but speaking the language and having lived in Latin America on and off for over three years, I look to learn more about the people and places I encounter, as sex is never far or hard to find, though I surely have my physical preferences. I banter with the hottest girls in the place after getting a drink and reconnoitering the place, then pursue the most genuine and original.
For example, in October I was in LDV and waiting for a chica I spent the night before with, when this other hottie sat down next to me, said I was "guapisimo" and asked "te puedo dar un beso?" before shoving her tongue down my throat. She then leaned over and said into my ear, "Me encanta tener sexo por las pompis." (I love it in the backdoor.) Now, some guys might drool right there and pay 200K for that, but I was waiting for my muñeca and didn't want to spend any time with what ended up being the sluttiest girl I met in two weeks down there. What this chick taught me (along with plenty of others with whom I spoke), is that they often get bored spending time with guys who they can't communicate with, and will not only try to, but expect to squeeze more money out of them. (Of course, as many of you prove, this is not always the case.) She also taught me that although looking good and dressing well will get you far, speaking the language is a real clincher. Again, much can be imputed to the looks/personality factor, and though any aversions a chica may feel towards a monger, a good personality can certainly surmount them, but la lengua may be the greatest resource, especially for the thrifty.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes, you gotta have some dick control and not overpay, especially when anyone with a brain comes here first to verify prices before heading south. Even if you look like a troll, you'll find a counterpart anywhere down there, but if you want to get with the real mamacitas you're going to have to pay more. Plenty of girls say no to guys down there, and I attribute this to those overpaying which has allowed them to not only expect more dough, but be more picky when it comes to who they chill with. So bottom line is, don't overpay, there are more than enough girls to go round, and if you're a leper don't try to get with the honey babies and don't be so damn impulsive. It makes me think some of these guys haven't been with a girl for years and just say yes to the first price they're quoted so as to just grab the girl and head out, hoping they still remember how to work the machinery. THINK ABOUT THE REST OF US AND NOT JUST MR. JOHNSON!
Perhaps the most important lesson learned is, speaking the language is the ultimate ace in the hole. KNOWING SPANISH IS PRICELESS. I've been all over Central America, Cuba and Mexico and I find the people in all those places to be quite pleasant, especially the Mexicans, and I find that my personality translates perfectly in Spanish, perhaps better, which has afforded me the most incredible and unbelievable experiences of my life south of the border, not to mention more friends and chicas than I know what to do with. Colombians are indeed as gracious and charming as they say, they speak excellent Spanish (which is important if you know how bad they speak in the Caribbean/Central America), and they left me in awe from the moment I landed in Bogotá to the day I left Cartagena.
I highly recommend learning some Spanish, especially if you really want to learn something about Colombia and its people besides how well the girls can grind. I never got so much tail with so little effort in my life, and I've met way too many desperate chavalas in my life. Whether it was a waitress at El Cucharón, a chica in the plaza, or getting phone numbers at La Piscina for an adventure the following day instead of a rushed 20 minutes/60K on the premises, the español never failed, and it earns you mad respect. It also brings you right into the reality of Colombia given to you by the people who know it best. No travel guide can give you that.
I should add that I'm late 20s, possess the aforementioned traits and am in great shape (which no doubt helped and added to the novelty factor), but speaking the language opened so many damn doors there, and made the chicas I didn't choose jealous, as my muñeca even insisted on stopping in at LDV one night after we went out for some eats just to gloat and earn bragging rights. Man, that's when you know you scored, more so when the girl stays with you for 8 days, sleeps with you until 2 PM every day and never asks for a cent after the first night - though she did get drinks and discos on me the whole week, in addition to some companionship, which they value a lot more than you think, especially when so many of them are young, single moms who have often been dicked and ditched by those ungrateful Colombian men. Sorry to toot my horn, but I had a blast, learned a lot, and wanted to put my two cents in, whether you like it or not...[/QUOTE]
So you can have pretty much any girl in Colombia? Really? Well if you can have the non pros for free...why not? IMHO, in your 20s you should be able to get free pussy in the USA or any other country. You are young and in good shape. That is enough. Try it when you are 50. You will see the difference my friend. BTW, if I lie about my age many of the girls will go with me for free, but if I tell them that I am 49...forget it. Being in your 20s is priceless. Get as much as you can because you will never be able to go back. It is like being under 18 years old. You can't repeat those days sir. One exception is if you are filthy RICH. Then, you can be 50 and still have hot girls.
john05, in a lot of cases the age difference is a better factor in getting it for free in colombia. i am 43 and my last trip to colombia i was asked out by a 15 yr old and her tias in their 30’s where within ear shot and didn’t even bat an eye and they all knew my age. before i get flamed as a ****, i declined the offer graciously but that is just a small example of how some latinas like older men.
i have some platonic amigas in colombia as well and they have told me that in a lot of cases that a colombiana is attracted to an older man not because of financial gain but for his life experience. they feel that an older man can teach them many thing of life that they might learn from and they find he is more interesting than the 25-30yr old male. this attitude transcends all social classes in colombia.
the exception is some of the older women 45+ sometimes look for the younger man for an affair. i think they call it “comir pollo” or something like that… lol.
so my advice to the 40+ guys going to colombia is dress well, use a nice aftershave and most importantly be confident. as one amiga put it a 40+ man is a trophy to a young woman in colombia.
I didn't mean to diss any of the older guys, especially since I know many of them are swimming in vag down there and putting out the vibe like the yutes. You are correct in assuming I don't have much trouble getting in like Flynn up here, but it is because of this that 1, I only pay for it down there if I REALLY like the girl and 2, I look for the girls who want more than a session with a time limit. Though being able to chat with these chicks and make them open up often compels me to give even the non-pros a little something, as they often have life stories that break your heart, but alas that is my experience with manifold women across southern latitudes. Of course they embellish, and of course you know that half of those who claim to be students are pajeras, but that's all part of the game - the guys lie about their age, they lie about how long they've been slinging culo and studying at the U. Anyway, I meant no offense. I do however find it difficult to fathom the experience of an age gap, say, between a 50 year old gringo and a 25 year old colombiana, which is only compounded by the cultural differences, though if it's strictly sex then who gives a shit? Though I agree with Rufus that many girls do indeed look for older guys, father figures if you will. Just check out Amigos.com or Adultfriendfinder and you'll see girls in their early 20s looking for guys 30-40. And for los ricos pues el dinero todo lo puede.
Cada perico a su estaca.
Here in the USA I have been looking for the Vietnamese locals in an area that they call "Little Saigon." Your chances are 1 in a million of ever getting a cute younger girl to go out with you there. I have been trying for 1 month now. Thought that I was getting close once, but the person was just "being polite" by smiling and talking to me and there was no chance. It may be different in Colombia.
I did try a couple of agencies in Colombia but no luck except for some major gold diggers. They were pretty obvious asking for English classes before I ever got there to meet them or telling me that they would only go with me in the daytime but never at night. Still looking for those Colombiana stunners that all of the guys are talking about.
[QUOTE=Alachingada]Though some of these girls may be desperate, especially if they're not the hottest or it's the end of the month and they need rent money (though most still live at home with mom and/or kid/s), no one has made note of the fact that the hottest girls will often always go for more not just because they're smokin, but because the buyer is a total turnoff and isn't going to score UNLESS he shells out the bucks. Though a gringo is somewhat of a novelty in Colombia, even in Cartagena (more so with blonde hair and blue eyes), more than a few of these girls have standards, and unless you're an attractive guy and/or have a good personality, you're probably going to pay more, or at least experience a real bidding war. Of course, there are always exceptions.
If you're at LDV at 3:00AM , chances are you're going to get your price, but by that time the best chicas are long gone. But if you show up at midnight and are corpulent, slovenly, awkward, hideous or ungainly in any way, you're the last resort of the hoochie mamas in the crib, UNLESS you pull out the pesos. It also depends on what you're looking for. If you speak fluent Spanish like I do, then you'd be willing to pay a bit more for a girl with a good personality (though most of them are so damn interesting because they've lived such crazy lives, especially those from the campo). At the same time, a guy with some linguistic dexterity and charisma is going to earn a lower price or pay none at all, and when you get it for free at a place like LDV (though you obviously still spend $ there or at a disco), then you know you're a Cracker Jack and can expect not only some good lovin, but some quality time with a girl you'll end up getting to know beyond the bedroom. It all depends on the dude, but speaking the language and having lived in Latin America on and off for over three years, I look to learn more about the people and places I encounter, as sex is never far or hard to find, though I surely have my physical preferences. I banter with the hottest girls in the place after getting a drink and reconnoitering the place, then pursue the most genuine and original.
For example, in October I was in LDV and waiting for a chica I spent the night before with, when this other hottie sat down next to me, said I was "guapisimo" and asked "te puedo dar un beso?" before shoving her tongue down my throat. She then leaned over and said into my ear, "Me encanta tener sexo por las pompis." (I love it in the backdoor.) Now, some guys might drool right there and pay 200K for that, but I was waiting for my muñeca and didn't want to spend any time with what ended up being the sluttiest girl I met in two weeks down there. What this chick taught me (along with plenty of others with whom I spoke), is that they often get bored spending time with guys who they can't communicate with, and will not only try to, but expect to squeeze more money out of them. (Of course, as many of you prove, this is not always the case.) She also taught me that although looking good and dressing well will get you far, speaking the language is a real clincher. Again, much can be imputed to the looks/personality factor, and though any aversions a chica may feel towards a monger, a good personality can certainly surmount them, but la lengua may be the greatest resource, especially for the thrifty.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes, you gotta have some dick control and not overpay, especially when anyone with a brain comes here first to verify prices before heading south. Even if you look like a troll, you'll find a counterpart anywhere down there, but if you want to get with the real mamacitas you're going to have to pay more. Plenty of girls say no to guys down there, and I attribute this to those overpaying which has allowed them to not only expect more dough, but be more picky when it comes to who they chill with. So bottom line is, don't overpay, there are more than enough girls to go round, and if you're a leper don't try to get with the honey babies and don't be so damn impulsive. It makes me think some of these guys haven't been with a girl for years and just say yes to the first price they're quoted so as to just grab the girl and head out, hoping they still remember how to work the machinery. THINK ABOUT THE REST OF US AND NOT JUST MR. JOHNSON!
Perhaps the most important lesson learned is, speaking the language is the ultimate ace in the hole. KNOWING SPANISH IS PRICELESS. I've been all over Central America, Cuba and Mexico and I find the people in all those places to be quite pleasant, especially the Mexicans, and I find that my personality translates perfectly in Spanish, perhaps better, which has afforded me the most incredible and unbelievable experiences of my life south of the border, not to mention more friends and chicas than I know what to do with. Colombians are indeed as gracious and charming as they say, they speak excellent Spanish (which is important if you know how bad they speak in the Caribbean/Central America), and they left me in awe from the moment I landed in Bogotá to the day I left Cartagena.
I highly recommend learning some Spanish, especially if you really want to learn something about Colombia and its people besides how well the girls can grind. I never got so much tail with so little effort in my life, and I've met way too many desperate chavalas in my life. Whether it was a waitress at El Cucharón, a chica in the plaza, or getting phone numbers at La Piscina for an adventure the following day instead of a rushed 20 minutes/60K on the premises, the español never failed, and it earns you mad respect. It also brings you right into the reality of Colombia given to you by the people who know it best. No travel guide can give you that.
I should add that I'm late 20s, possess the aforementioned traits and am in great shape (which no doubt helped and added to the novelty factor), but speaking the language opened so many damn doors there, and made the chicas I didn't choose jealous, as my muñeca even insisted on stopping in at LDV one night after we went out for some eats just to gloat and earn bragging rights. Man, that's when you know you scored, more so when the girl stays with you for 8 days, sleeps with you until 2 PM every day and never asks for a cent after the first night - though she did get drinks and discos on me the whole week, in addition to some companionship, which they value a lot more than you think, especially when so many of them are young, single moms who have often been dicked and ditched by those ungrateful Colombian men. Sorry to toot my horn, but I had a blast, learned a lot, and wanted to put my two cents in, whether you like it or not...[/QUOTE]
In the time I have been reading the forum your post has to be one of the very very best, and thank you for taking the time and providing us with great insight, for what you shared is priceless, and I totally agree with every point you made. As I posted this past week on the Thailand board in the photo thread, your attitude, the way you carry yourself, the way you dress, groom, and smell goes along way with these girls, along with your communication skills.
Ditto what he just said.
lovely ladies.. if you do decide to visit my friend luis lives here [english teacher here ].. contact me for his ph.#... Enjoys meeting gringos.. can arrange apartment rental for 3 people. cheap per person on nice place for chicas to enjoy, 24 hour security good location.. the best for cheaper then lousey hotel.. , . everything here to enjoy cheaper then Cartagena or barranquilla ,,. no beaches just rainforest, montains. beaver hunting at his best,,.
Lost in Paradise, Why is it all your posts sound like advertisements for one tout or another?
or medellin mansion.. luis is a person that can answer any questions regarding the region.. let me guess lima busy. you speak spanish .. some people don't.. have a beer w/ the guy and pick his brain for good tips... are you hearing me lima busy,... so as far as pusing touts..yes if the guy is good for my needs. really think lima busy your cheap ass person..everything cheap in colombia. studio apartment 200 u.s w/ all ..month. yes thats a fact here in Armenia, luis is easy to talk to on the phone. english perfect.. educated . family man. he translate for my ladyfriend.. great for me . if you to chat w/ luis in Armeina. contact me. i have a guy in Cali now meeting Luis, He had good vibes on the phone w/ him. . any thing else lima buy ill be happy to answer your questions on the phone regardig pusing touts..,try paying small fee for servie provided.. , as my dear friend bob marley told me.. dont worry be happy in colombia... ch5cas are fun here.. just need a l6cal to show you the ropes
Again, taking cheap shots at LB because he calls Spam spam is out of line.
Peter and I have reached detente after I called him on his unjustified attack on LB for a similar "offense" , and I seek no flame war with you.
YOU need a guide to lead you by the hand, more power to you (and the tout you hire). And if Jackson wants to allow people to post testimonials for their touts here, OK. But IMHO you should mention your Luis (or ANY other tout) ONCE and ONLY once. After that it IS spamming which should be sequestered in its own folder (like Peter in BAQ or Medellin Mansion).
Alachingada: EXCELLENT post. Fortunately, you are incorrect in your skepticism about the viability of relationships between younger Colombianas and older men (ambos nativo and extranjero). I have a WAYS to go until 50, but I can say that MANY Colombianas genuinely prefer 30 or 40 somethings to guys in their 20s. While economics cannot be discounted entirely, it is also a mistake to assume that it is nothing more than economics at play. No offense, but IMHO it takes YEARS of interacting with women before you can even begin to understand what makes them tick. Lord knows I still have MANY years before I will attain that capability.
I cannot compare Colombia for a 20something as my first trip was at 40. There is no doubt there are some hotties I might have scored back when I was 25 and lean as could be that would not be interested now. At the same time, there are LOTS of hotties who I COULD bond with now that I never could have when I was in my 20s.
Finally, your point about being able to communicate is KEY; while many WSGers cannot become 20 again, nor can they get into shape such that girls would be attracted to them BECAUSE they are acuerpado, ANYBODY, no matter how old or fat, CAN learn enough Spanish to communicate at a basic level. Those who refuse to try should really go to the DR, Thailand or the PI instead as I think they will enjoy it more than Colombia.
Sorry, I hit return or something without meaning to. Anyway, I must also admit that one of the great things about latinas is that there are more than a few who do in fact want to be with older guys, which will be my MO should I remain single for another 10-15 years, though I plan to relocate to S.A. next year and doubt I'll be able to hold out. And as far as understanding what makes them tick, I have the rest of my life to solve that quandary.
The economics issue is definitely a factor, which is why some español will help you better penetrate people and perceive any ulterior motives, not to mention save you a lot of money, whether in a taxi, club, bar, burdel. I know that when I was living and working in Central America, there were plenty of chicas who looked at Americans as if they had the word 'VISA' on their forehead. Some of these girls are real sly and have obviously been playing the game for a while. (I know soldiers who were stationed at Comayaguela in Honduras who married natives then got ditched as soon as everything was legal and they were here in the US.) On the other hand, many of them couldn't be happier with a gringo, especially since we come from a society that protects women and observes their myriad rights, unlike many latin countries, and most of the latinas I've met who have had the chance to be with a foreigner admit that gringos are better in the sack. I will say that in Colombia there were plenty of gold diggers, especially since going 'mojado' (wetback) isn't an option due to geography. Actually, almost no one understood me when I used that term. For them, marriage is the best option to get a ticket out, more so when obtaining a visa to Europe or the US is extremely difficult and not cheap. Though if these dudes keep overpaying, they'll end up decreasing the number of women looking to leave as all those dollars tend to liberate and empower. Antes que te cases mira lo que haces.
alachingada and the rest ...
numero uno ... you're not in kansas anymore ... age means nothing ... once you stop worrying about it ... it's no big deal.
una latina of 20-25 years is perfect with a 30's 40's or even 50 year old guy if he's young thinking and young at heart.
my latina friends say they don't date muchachos in their 20's because "ellos estan todavia corriendo en sus panales" (they're still running around in their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]).
numero dos ... how correct you are about the communication.
in general, the chica will almost always pick the guy who they can communicate with.
also, like you said, the entire experience, even with a pro, becomes more personable and girlfriend like.
if you can bond with una latina, talking spanish and make them laugh ... you are el rey ... the king.
suerte amigos!
To piggyback on Ricker's words, a tight trim body is not that important either. Being a decent person goes a long, long way. This fat, old guy who is far from guapo and far from fluent in Spanish has managed a babe or two. But then even a blind squirrel...
Does anyone know if this sweet little 18 year old is still in Cartagena, or has gone back to Medellin?
I met her at LDV last spring, but now her phone number and email address are both no good.
Anyone know how to contact her? I would like to get in touch with her again.
She's one of the best ever!
DB
[QUOTE=On The Go]In the time I have been reading the forum your post has to be one of the very very best, and thank you for taking the time and providing us with great insight, for what you shared is priceless, and I totally agree with every point you made. As I posted this past week on the Thailand board in the photo thread, your attitude, the way you carry yourself, the way you dress, groom, and smell goes along way with these girls, along with your communication skills.[/QUOTE]On The Go.
On The Money
[QUOTE=Gipse]There are a whole bunch of these small islands, some are nice and some are not so nice. Can anyone recommend a good one, a name or two would be nice.
Gracias[/QUOTE]Playa Branco - Average for my taste
Isla Del Encanto - Nice place, great beach
Cololisa Isla Resort - Nice hotel, great pool, ok beach
Isla del Pirata - Small island, no beach, very private
"God helps those who help themselves"
is on Isla de Baru which is not part of the Rosarios.
I think it's "Cocoliso". I stayed at San Pedro de Majagua on same island (Isla Grande), which I thought was nice but overpriced. I liked the island though.
Looking for a simi long term rental 30 to 60 days! No preference on the area as long as it somewhat of a nice area!
What would be a good price?
Contact Juan Ventura [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].
A good price would depend on the location and amenities. Apartments without air conditioning are much less expensive. Hot water is normally not available. You can expect a lower price per day with a 60-day rental. You are probably looking at US$30 to 50 per night.
Yesterday I was talking to a Columbiana in St Maarten about going to a hotel for a couple of hours. She complained that in St Maarten there were no "Motels d'amor", which she said were common in Columbia.
A Motel d'Amor is a row of rooms with attached garages. You drive into an empty garage, press a button, talk to the office, negotiate a price for however many hours you want, put the money in a slot, and enter the room. No personal contact with the motel people - no one sees you or knows who you are.
I know most mongers in Columbia probably don't have cars or the need for this service, but it sounds imminently practical. Has anyone ever used such a Motel d'Amor?
$900 a month for an Apartment, aint that a bit high?
I'm thinking about coming down there for a month or two, and really case out the joint. prior to making any serious moves!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Contact Juan Ventura [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].
A good price would depend on the location and amenities. Apartments without air conditioning are much less expensive. Hot water is normally not available. You can expect a lower price per day with a 60-day rental. You are probably looking at US$30 to 50 per night.[/QUOTE]
You can spend less if you don't need AC. I need it. You get the best deals by just showing up. Then go apartment shopping. You can pay much more or much less. Only you can really decide what is good enough.
Funny how that works, AC can really add an additional few hundred a month?
I emailed Ventura, both about buying and renting so I'll see! I was even thinking about Renting or buying by the Airport, or the old city, they both seem to be descent parts of town!
Tom, trust me I greatly appreciate your help and time! And if there is anything that you need from the States just let me know, as long as it fits into a suitcase!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]You can spend less if you don't need AC. I need it. You get the best deals by just showing up. Then go apartment shopping. You can pay much more or much less. Only you can really decide what is good enough.[/QUOTE]
Zing,
Love motels are quite common in Puerto Rico. Most college girls live in single sex dorms or have room mates in their apartments, so these places are indispensable. Ironically, due to the "good girls don't fuck before marriage" mentality on the island most girls would rather go to a love motel where they can remain anonymous than go to a more upscale hotel where they might be recognized.
Married men and women also make use of these places for the numerous affairs that take place on a daily basis. In fact, if you wait until late at night it would be very difficult to find a motel with available rooms. The staff usually writes down the tag number of your car just in case you decide to leave a body behind or something of that nature. I would be careful about using one in South America if I had any doubts about security.
Apartments with AC are more upscale. By Colombian standards electricity is very expensive in Cartagena Estrato 6. Renters tend to turn the AC on and blast it the entire time they are around. Some even leave the windows open while the AC is on. The electricity cost alone can add over US$100 per month.
LP, thanks for your offer.
[QUOTE=Zing23]I know most mongers in Columbia probably don't have cars or the need for this service, but it sounds imminently practical. Has anyone ever used such a Motel d'Amor?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they're perfect.
You can get anything from basic to fine quality. The best one I've tried was in Cali. It was a real pad. With outdoor courtyard, steam room, jacuzzi, TV w/ porn, Hi-fi, big bed with mirror on the ceiling, nice bathroom facilities and some complimentary drinks. Cost for 3 hours -- 35k, which is about US$15.
Pricing - there is no stopping the upwards trend. I stuck firm to the 120k p ST and 150k p LT because I was willing to walk away and all of them caved in, eventually. One even argued in the morning. They told me that they often get 200k p for LT nowadays. I even over heard a couple of deals being sealed at 200k p LT and 150k p ST. I bet a year from now this will be standard price. Unfortunately, not everyone reads this web site.
Mongers - many gringos, way too many. In a few years, it is going to be as bad as Rio. We are loud but the Italians are worse. Good not to be at the bottom of the likability scale.
Places - LDV was hopping most of the days, the slow day being Sunday. Last time the pros were upstairs in Tu Candela. This time they were everywhere and a lot more of them. La Trippletera was still sparcely populated and mostly with men. The lookers were few and far between. Giro Matto, the music is just not for me specially at 3-4am at night.
Motels - found a few walk-in motels in the old city for 30k p to 40k p a night. A couple of them were pretty decent. Did not ask for the short term rate. In the evening there was a steady stream of young Colombian lovers walking in, cute. As soon as I remember the names I will post them.
Apartments - Paid $50 per night for a nice apartment with a view AC included hot water excluded.
Gipse! Damn still sounds a tad bit high, but at least you stuck to your guns, and did not pay 200K! Remind me to buy your ass a beer!
I was in San Andres, and me and my girl decided to play Hooker John at the local pro shop, I get there first for and I'm talking to a Pro she tells me $300,000 I talk her down to I think $175,000. My novia walks in, in this little Catholic School Girl outfit, my girl walks over and ask me, Papi how much she want to charge you? I tell her $200,000, she tells me damn you fine I only charge you $100,000, man a cat fight just about broke out, I had to tell the pro no no she's novia! That shit was so damn funny and hot!
I say we Mongers boycott of LDV, picket the place, have a 60's type sit in! HELL NO WE WON'T PAY MORE THEN A 100K!
[QUOTE=Gipse]Pricing - there is no stopping the upwards trend. I stuck firm to the 120k p ST and 150k p LT because I was willing to walk away and all of them caved in, eventually. One even argued in the morning. They told me that they often get 200k p for LT nowadays. I even over heard a couple of deals being sealed at 200k p LT and 150k p ST. I bet a year from now this will be standard price. Unfortunately, not everyone reads this web site.
Mongers - many gringos, way too many. In a few years, it is going to be as bad as Rio. We are loud but the Italians are worse. Good not to be at the bottom of the likability scale.
Places - LDV was hopping most of the days, the slow day being Sunday. Last time the pros were upstairs in Tu Candela. This time they were everywhere and a lot more of them. La Trippletera was still sparcely populated and mostly with men. The lookers were few and far between. Giro Matto, the music is just not for me specially at 3-4am at night.
Motels - found a few walk-in motels in the old city for 30k p to 40k p a night. A couple of them were pretty decent. Did not ask for the short term rate. In the evening there was a steady stream of young Colombian lovers walking in, cute. As soon as I remember the names I will post them.
Apartments - Paid $50 per night for a nice apartment with a view AC included hot water excluded.[/QUOTE]
(cont'd from the Barranquilla section)
CGFE is a new term to be added to the mongerer's list of abbreviations which either means "Columbian girlfriend experience" or "clingy girlfriend experience". Take your pick. They might be synonymous, anyway.
Took the door-to-door shuttle from Barranquilla to Cartagena de Indias for COP 25,000, which the reception desk of Hotel Boulevard 58 had arranged for me. You pay directly to the cab driver, pick-up at the hotel and transportation to your final destination. Trip time was roughly 2.5 hours, longer than excepted, and the driver certainly was not related to Juan Pablo Montoya (and the 60-year old lady from Bogotá in the front seat kept bitching about it). There was one military checkpoint just outside of Cartagena, but they waved us through. Left Barranquilla at around 4:PM, and arrived in Cartagena shortly after dark. As we made our way down the Cartagena waterfront, the streets were flooded pretty badly. Brought back flashbacks from Barranquilla, and yes, the intel I had gotten was correct… it had rained quite heavily in Cartagena, too.
Stayed at the Hotel da Pietro ([url]http://www.pietro.com[/url], website in Spanish, English, and Italian) after calling them from Barranquilla on the very same day. Da Pietro is located in a pretty busy section of Bocagrande, very close to Laguito. The address is Carrera 3 No.4-401, phone numbers (5) 665-2369, 665-8855, 665-1837, email [email]hotel@pietro.com[/email]. Room cost was COP 95,000, breakfast included. Upon check-in, they asked for payment for the first night. The room was sort of smallish, but adequate. There are pictures on the website.
Cartagena is much more touristy than Barranquilla, which has its pros and cons, of course – as well as the pros and con artists. There are several inexpensive restaurants in this area (which does not necessarily include the adjoining Pizzeria da Pietro, owned by the same guy as the hotel, whose name is… not surprisingly… Pietro.). Needless to say, he was Italian, and both pizzeria and hotel were full of Italians (plus a pretty hard-partying group of young Colombians). There are several ATMs just around the corner from the hotel that worked for me, including BanSuperior (COP 400,000 withdrawal) and Colmena (COP 200,000 withdrawal). Surprisingly, I never ever hit the jackpot at Bancolombia. There is also no shortage of Internet/phone places in this area as well as supermarkets, drug stores, souvenir stores, etc. The front desk of the hotel can arrange for excursions and most common tourist activities. Unlike Barranquilla, you won’t get bored during the day. Also, the heat is not quite as suffocating… at least, it didn’t seem to me. Or maybe my body was simply adjusting a bit.
Cartagena is really a pretty interesting town – a strange combination of the “walled city” (what Havana would look like if they had repaired or painted anything in what, 200 years), the Miami beach-like Bocagrande area, and a touch of Vegas thrown in for good measure. The old town is superb, to say the least, and easily in the category of the French quarter in New Orleans. Cab from/to Bocagrande should run about COP 3,500 to 4,500. Spend a least a full day there exploring the streets. Better even, make it a morning and an afternoon on different days, after mixing in some beach action. It’s also interesting in the early evening. For later evening, stick to Bocagrande. I wasn’t too impressed with the beaches.
One afternoon, I took a chiva city tour (COP 25,000), which takes you to the Botas Viejas monument and then on to La Popa - Convento de la Candelaria, the church and convent overlooking the city. The driver might have been Montoya in disguise as we were screeching through the curves on the way up there. In ever curve, there was a white cross – they later explained to us they were stations for a religious procession up the hill, not fatal accident sites. I wouldn’t bet on it. Next, it was on to the Castillo de San Felipe de Barajas fortress (pretty impressive), the Bóvedas (former stables converted into souvenir shops and artists' studios) and, to top things of, a visit to an emerald factory (actually, just around the corner from the da Pietro). Of course. They did a drawing for a small emerald there, one for the gals, one for the guys, and everyone had to call out a number. The first guy, an American who didn’t speak any Spanish, called out 7… and got it. I just wanted to stab the guy. Insider sources tell me the guy got mugged by an Austrian tourist right outside five minutes later. No, just kidding.
Did another night tour on a chiva, of the rumbera variety, cost COP 25,000 per person. Went with a non-pro (the second time I went out with her), and it was a lot of fun. For those that are not familiar with the concept, a chiva rumbera is basically a colorful party bus, and the tour takes from about 7 to midnight. They provide you with a bottle of rum (Tres Esquinas) plus a bottle of coke per couple, put a live band on the bus, and off you go. First stop at the city walls for dancing in the dark, with a dance show, second stop at a local disco in El Laguito for some more partying. The bus went directly on the beach… really cool. In between, you just drive around getting hammered: you finish your bottle, you get another one. To ensure that people wouldn’t change seats (or booze) during the trip, all the rows have an inscription on the roof to assist you in finding your seat even under the influence. Mine read “La adolescencia es la transición entre la infelididad y el adulterio”. In plain English: “Adolescence is the transition from infidelity to adultery”. How appropriate.
My companion didn’t seen to disagree, because when we got back to the hotel at around midnight, she insisted on checking out the in-room facilities, and da Pietro didn’t see a problem, either (at no extra charge). She ended up checking out a whole lot more than that (and me, too), before finally leaving at 2:00 AM (you know, the good girl thing). Highly recommended (the chiva rumbera tour, I mean). Horny chicks and booze, works like a charm every time.
For next day, I had booked at tour to the Rosario islands, and she wanted to come along, so we went. COP 50,000 per person, though this does not include the entrance fee into the natural park (about COP 8,400, if I remember correctly, payable at the tourist dock right across the street from the Torre del Reloj downtown). The boat ride was hilarious, and lucky me, the weather was spectacular. Some pictures at [url]http://www.cartagenacaribe.com/dondeir/sitiosdeinteres/islasdelrosario.htm[/url]. I also recommend the Acuario San Martin (entrance COP 12,000 per person). The show where they are feeding the sharks is really pretty eerie. Spent most of the time on the Isla de la Media Naranja (“Soul Mate Island”... was fate trying to tell me something?) Very relaxed, nice turquoise waters to swim, no snorkeling, though. The by now self-anointed Cartagenera girl friend bought a crab from a local fisher and had him prepare it right there and then (COP 20,000). Nice. I highly recommend this excursion.
One really cool restaurant my attachment took me to was the Club de Pesca in Manga, Fuerte de San Sebastian del Pastelillo, phone 660 58 63 - 660 70 65 - 660 45 94, fax: 660 59 81, email: [email]restaurante@clubdepesca.com[/email]. Their website is in Spanish and English ([url]http://www.clubdepesca.com/home.htm[/url]). The restaurant is located directly on the fort and has a very nice terrace overlooking Cartagena Bay, pretty pricy, needless to say, and small portions. The place to take your special honey. Reservations recommended. According to their website, the restaurant has welcomed 46 Presidents or Chiefs of State and even served Pope Paul II. Makes it a must stop on any itinerary of any Catholic mongerers like me.
Ended up spending most of my time the next couple of days with my new accidental wife, hanging out in the old city, getting to know her family, exploring middle class Colombian life. One evening, some of her brothers and sisters took me to hang on the beach in Boquilla, past the airport, which was a nice experience. Pretty unforgettable sitting in the dark between two minivans blasting Vallenato and Champeta into the Cartagena night, drinking beer under the stars. One brother kept telling me about his cab and bus company, referring to his mid-sized buses as “busetas”. I guess I must have spent too much time in Brazil, where “buceta” has a totally different meaning :). I am sure this irony eluded him, and maybe that’s why he kept wondering about the strange smile on my face.
And as nice as his sister certainly was, unfortunately, she was severely curtailing my P4P research time. This problem was compounded by the fact that she was on vacation at the time and that I was in Cartagena longer than initially planned. Wanted to spend some time in Cali and/or Medellin, but flights from either Cartagena or Barranquilla to either city were in the COP 600,000 to COP 1,000,000 range for my travel dates (November 25-28), so I ultimately decided to skip this part of the trip and leave it for another time. I also thought about spending time in Santa Marta, but my GF’s family had business there, and every time I wanted to go, she was keen on accompanying me (which would have defeated my P4P and non-pro interests there). Managed to spend some time away from her back in Barranquilla ultimately to spend time with my other non-pro, but she was sweet enough to see me off in BAR before I left to the airport. But what am I complaining about – I was getting laid for free and pretty good. Still, I never got around to meeting my chick from Caracas that was there attending a conference and had expressed great interesting in displaying her brand-new silicon tits for me, nor this cute dark morena girl at the modeling agency. Damn. I guess you can’t have everything… though trying sure is fun.
As the “heartless mongerer” that Dollar Bill always describes me, of course, I was not going to let a GF entirely prevent me from exploring Cartagena’s nightlife a bit more, and I actually got started before I even met her in person. Afterwards, investigating P4P meant spending some late-night hours for the benefit of the ISG community. But lucky me, I am resourceful :)
One more thing, before I address Cartagena P4P: getting back to BAR was just as easy as getting to Cartagena: COP 25,000 for door-to-door service, although this time, transportation was done in a minivan rather than in a cab. Hotel front desk arranged for it. I left Cartagena at 2:00 PM and was in my hotel room in Barranquilla by 4:00 PM. There were definitely more military checkpoints during the day, five to six, although we got stopped only once, right before getting into Barranquilla, on the outskirts. Had to leave the van, and the soldiers did a cursory search. No ID asked for, no words exchanged, as a matter of fact.
(to be cont’d)
the day i got to cartagena i decided to take it easy that night and not call any of my three non-pros i had met on amigos.com, so i had a leisurely dinner, determined to check out the famed la dolce vita afterwards. cab ride to ldv was cop 4,000, though actually, it was within a 5 – 10 minutes walking distance from my bocagrande hotel. ldv is located right next to the la perla del caribe casino, and of course, every cab driver knows it.
one quick note now that i think about it: there are laws in colombia regarding sexual tourism and exploitation of minors, and as reported to me by some colombians, cartagena has had bad reports in the past. you can read about this law at [url]http://www.cartagenacaribe.com/quienes-somos/ley679-3agosto2001.pdf[/url]. according to article 2 of the law 679 dated august 3, 2001, a minor is anyone who has yet to complete 18 years of age. though i didn't see any pro in cartagena that would raise concerns about being ****, just make sure you stay out of trouble, ok?
ok, on to la dolce vita. i went at about 10:30 on a tuesday evening, and the place was dead. perhaps two customers and maybe four girls. things don’t start going until about 11:30 and not really until 12:30. ldv shuts down at 3:30. no entrance fee, no minimum consumption. at peak time, there were about 40-50 girls there, looks 6 to 9, with very few 5s and a few 10s. the place was dim, though, and my eyes might be failing me.
for those of you who know help in rio de janeiro, la dolce vita is sort of a mini-help, with much less girls, of course, but overall better looking ones, and no entrance fee. for those who are familiar with the now defunct cosmos in boca chica, dominican republic, it’s comparable in terms of number of girls and general setup, also, though the girls were less aggressive, and ldv (or cartagena, for that matter) doesn’t have the wild west feeling of cosmos or boca chica. in other words, just like a regular club – with the caveat that all the girls in there are pros, and all the customers are potential johns and almost exclusively foreigners. drink prices are not all that bad (cop 6,000 for a club colombia, cop 7,000 for rum).
the first time i went, i ended up talking quite some time to a girl from medellin. young, tall, very slim, and actually quite pleasant to talk to. not exactly my cup of tea, but i wanted to check the place out first and foremost, and i wasn’t necessarily playing on my first night. she ultimately offered cop 150,000 for two hours at the hotel, cop 200,000 to 250,000 for tln. as a matter of fact, what was funny was that every time i asked something that required a number in her answer, she would type if for me on her cell phone keypad. not sure what was up with that, but didn’t matter to me - i was more interested in the information. at those rates, i passed. she mentioned that after closing time, most girls would hang out at giromatic (spelling?), in case i changed my mind. i didn’t. she felt entitled to ask for a tip for her time, though (cop 20,000). i wasn’t impressed.
went back a second time, on a friday, though late (around 1:30 am), and the place must have thinned out considerably. there were about 20 girls there. ended up talking to angela, a caleña with a great 9 body. offered cop 200,000 tln, 150,000 for an hour, and when i said no, she mentioned “well, it’s more like a colombian hour, which means like two”: lol. i countered with cop 100,000. she looked at me in pretty well-acted disbelief. she said “you don’t think i know what i am worth?”, to which i responded “yeah, but i don’t know, and at that rate, unfortunately, we will never find out.” she said “you know, i am not good at this negotiating thing.” “you’re not exactly a novice, either. just like me”, i replied. actually, we had a good laugh at this whole thing, and i guess we developed something like a hardcore pro vs. hardcore monger type of respect. i would probably have gone for cop 120,000, though she was unwilling to come down any further. in any case, she was pleasant enough to just drink and chat with. of course, she asked for cab money. no problem with me… i’ve spent a more unpleasant couple of hours with a gorgeous latina.
the impression i got from these two girls and a few other ones i talked to at ldv was that, make no mistake about it, they were definitely hardcore pros in every sense of the word who specialize in the more inexperienced gringo market. like elsewhere in latin countries, hardcore does not necessarily refer to how you are treated (the girls were very nice and pleasant), just to their preferred price segment and negotiating strategies. as a matter of fact, as someone who has spent months talking to help/veranda sobre as ondas pros in rio, it struck me just how identical the walk and talk was, and in a way, it was sort of fascinating to hear it in spanish rather than in portuguese for a change. still, ldv is a nice place to hang out, and the selection of girls is definitely worth checking out even if you don’t take anyone. even if you do, the rates the girls command do not compare unfavorably to help or the main rio termas at the current exchange rates (with the real at approx. 2.20 per usd and cop at more or less 2,000 per usd, prices are easy to compare).
the very first time i walked out of ldv my very first night in cartagena, a few of the girls sitting outside kept hitting me up, but i wasn’t really interested. during my cab ride to the hotel, the cabbie suggested another place that was open until 4 in the morning where girls were available to do the deed for cop 70,000. it was about 2, he had piqued my interest, so i said let’s go.
as reported in the next installment, this would turn out to be a mistake.
So we are off at 2, in search of this allegedly cheaper option. First mistake of mine was not to ask the cab driver where this place was, as it happened to be very far from Bocagrande, on the very outskirts of Cartagena on the road to Barranquilla, past the airport, past Boquilla even. On the way there, we passed through some pretty rough-and-tough looking areas. I am not squeamish about bad barrios, having been to some wild sections of Santo Domingo and in remote areas in Northern Brazil, but I was getting increasingly concerned, and Cartagena has some pretty desolate areas. We even went through what seemed like a barely lit industrial zone. Luckily, this guy was at least honest enough not trying to rob me or worse. He had his chance.
We finally arrived at this place, called Venus. There were a few other cabbies hanging outside the place, but at this point in time, I felt it was safest to have the LDV cabbie stay with me. By the time we arrived, it was about 2:30. The place was still going strong, with about 10 girls, 5-8 in looks, some definite cuties. Several customers, all Columbian, of course (the girls had a total look of bewilderment at the sight of a gringo which sort of made me laugh and eased the tension a bit). When I stepped inside, they all stared at me as if a Martian had walked in. Overall, the place was not unfriendly, the whole experience was just a bit uncomfortable for me. They had a stage area behind sliding glass doors, and the time I spent there, one girl did a striptease, though of the uninspired variety, but several girls offered me to sit closer to the stage. Ultimately, I ended up talking to three girls, and one particular morena got very cuddly and touchy with me. They wanted to share a bottle of rum for COP 40,000, but it was late, so I declined. Ultimately, I had two beers, one for the cabbie, and one drink for the girls, plus cigarettes. The three girls ended up ripping through my smokes in about half an hour. Total bill came to COP 40,000 – a total ripoff, but I was not gonna argue in this joint and in that area. Probably set up by the bar guy and the cabbie. Whatever, write it off under experience. When I inquired about rates, the girls quoted me COP 120,000 for an hour. Whoever had mentioned that it would be COP 70,000 for a gringo? My morena, a 6.5 in my book, nothing more, gave me her phone number to spend time with her the next day, but I never called. Gringo drink prices, gringo pussy prices. You get the picture.
Back in Bocagrande by about 4:00 AM, the cabbie wanted COP 40,000 for the cab ride. I gave him COP 20,000 an exited the cab quickly. Total damage COP 60,000 for exactly nothing.
Lesson learned: don’t take any suggestions by a cabbie standing outside a place like LDV catering almost exclusively to the gringo crowd. These cabbies specialize in overcharging gringos just as much as the girls, and I heed this advice myself all the time at Help in Rio, for example. I don’t really know why I didn’t this time, but now I got one more reason to not forget about it in the future. Especially, don’t agree to go to a place unless you know where it is. I guess I must have been thinking with my dick again. Now that I think about it with my actual head, while I am not really too concerned about dropping COP 60,000 for a lesson, this whole experience actually might have turned out really, really nasty. This was the kind of place that if something happens to you, nobody will ever ever find out.
But anyhow. A couple of days later, I was sitting around the corner from the Hotel da Pietro at a local supermarket around 11:30 AM, sipping a coke, when one of the local touts approaches me, offering me watches to buy. I wasn’t interested, but we started to chit chat a bit, and he asked me about how I liked the girls in Colombia. I mentioned LDV and that the girls were nice, but a bit expensive, and that I was looking for cheaper options. He replied that he knew a few girls and could arrange for me to meet them. Where? At the beach or at some café in Laguito. Off we went. He had me wait for about five minutes, then he came back with another guy who said that the girls were elsewhere in the city right now and needed to take a cab to see me. How much? COP 20,000. No fucking way. OK, COP 10,000. No way. I told him, no money whatsoever until I see the girls, if they couldn’t get here, I would look else where. The second tout left, and since my original guy (Fernando) mentioned that he knew some places in the downtown area, we took off.
Just across the street from the Parque Centenario, he had me wait again in a bar, and came back with a Cartagenera girl, about 28, about five minutes later. Nothing special, not really up to my standards, but not Botero-looking either, and I was horny. Cost? COP 40,000 for an hour, and that included the room. Couldn’t complain. Took me to a non-descript love motel in a side street off Calle del la Media Luna; room cost was COP 6,000, including two condoms (yep, 3 bucks total, guys). Not to shabby, actually, with a shower and running water. Performance was good, no FK, everything covered, didn’t insist on BBBJ, one pop. Ultimately, decided to pay for the room, so total cost was COP 46,000, or USD 23.00.
After this first relatively encouraging experience, I inquired a bit more, and Fernando suggested another bar with girls hanging out, on Tripita y Media, but in the Matuna area, if I remember correctly. When we got there, around 1ish, there were no girls there, but the mama-san insisted that they were arriving shortly. Of course, as always, “shortly” is a fairly flexible concept in Colombia and can mean anything from right now to a few hours. So I stayed there, had a couple of drinks and just chatted with Fernando and the mama-san, definitely an old hag, but very friendly, like almost all Colombians. In a way, this hole in a wall places have always fascinated me since my first experience in Cuba. Well, I didn’t do so bad, because about an hour later, this 23-year old dark morena shows up, again from Cali, very nice, about a 7, and with a great attitude. Can you tell I am developing a preference for caleñas by now? COP 40,000 for the hour. Had a beer and left to another love motel, again COP 6,000. Great in the sack, borderline GFE, with BBBJ, covered sex, one pop. Exactly what I wanted. The name of the place was Siboney, if I remember correctly.
Back in Bocagrande, I gave Fernando a COP 20,000 tip for his services (he spent about 4 hours with me). I was happy. Total cost for two pops with two different girls, love motels, cab rides, drinks, and tip about COP 125,000, or roughly USD. 60. The slumming experience, priceless. And the next time, it would be cheaper.
Unfortunately, in a way, my promising cartagenera mongering experience was halted completely by the non-pro, as this was the day I went on the chiva rumbera tour with her and hit the sheets with her afterwards. By the time she left, I thought that after popping two pros and a non-pro on the same day, I had earned myself a couple of Aguilas, so I sat in the street shortly after 2 around the corner of Carrera 3 No.4, across from Bancolombia. About 3, a black girl approached me to offer her services. She said she normally worked the La Perla Casino and LDV, but had had no luck that day. Quoted COP 50,000 for ST. Well, what a short distance from the gringo joints will do to pricing. Sounded tempting, but after three chicks, half a bottle of rum on the chiva, and a few more beers, and having to get up for the Island tour at 7, I was sorry to decline. I hoped to see her again another day, but to my regret, I didn’t. Too busy getting nailed by the non-pro.
Ran into Fernando a few more times, and he wanted to take me back to Siboney and similar places later during the day or in the evening, possibly (at which time it might not be entirely safe there for sunburnt gringos like me), but I was just too tied up. So until I return, I’ll have to leave that part of more in-depth investigative reporting to my fellow mongerers :).
EA
It is good to see some actual chica information again on the Cartagena board. The deal on the casas outside of town is that the taxi drivers all get kickbacks. Ever notice how they all wait for you outside the casa? I don't know the exact amount.
Next time you get into a taxi and ask to go to the casas, notice the grin the driver gets on his face. He is getting a large fair to take you 15-30 minutes outside of town, plus return trip. Also the kickback at the end and maybe a beer from a newbie. Add this to the cost of a girl, room fee,plus drinks and you're up around 200,000. pesos. Not a good deal!For this amount i could have walked 5 minutes to LDV and pulled two girls!
That brings me to LDV. I just got back from 4 months in Cartagena.Rest assured the prices still remain the same.At least 80% of the girls there will leave for 100,000. pesos. There are always the girls there who think they are superstars. Some of them wouldn't budge from 150,000.I just say no thanks and grab one for 100.000. I had very good luck sitting outside LDV early around 10:30 or walking around the building. Picked off two girls outside for 80,000.pesos
Street action in Bocagrande can be had for 60,000. Hope this helps.Can't wait to get back!
be careful about the girls outside ldv, they may be ****d or have been banned from the club for being troublemakers, it is also darker outside and hard to see the stretch marks on their stomachs. the doorman is more selective on who he lets inside ldv. i also prefer to see how the girls dance, and how they interact with the other girls inside, it tells if they are fun loving or hard-core pros.
it's easy enough to screen the **** girls. they have to be 18 to get a cedula. no cedula, no date. i have found a very high percentage of sweeties outside of ldv. in fact i rarely go to ldv anymore. i haven't been to a casa in over two years.
el a - the fare to venus is 10k one way. the taxista is entitled to be paid for waiting for you. and yes, the taxistas do get a commission from the casa for bringing you.
I guess this is for Toom33. Do they advertise the price for rentals in the paper?
Thanks in advance,
LP
Last time I looked, prices were listed.
A quick question: when walking around in the historic center of Cartagena a couple of weeks back, several touts approached me offering sailing trips to Panama and back with a stopover on the Blas Islands in Panama. Duration 4-5 days, all food included. Price: an incredibly low USD 250.00 (!!!!), with a minimum of four passengers required. Didn't take this option as this just sounded too good to be possibly true. Anyone have any intelligence on this? Anyone ever taken a trip like this? Details?
Thanks in advance.
EA
Can anyone recommend a specific bungalow/motel on the Rosario Islands?
Website url would be helpful, cost, etc.. Thanks.
Stop posting fake pictures please.
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[QUOTE=Ngp477]On the Go was the one who did this alarming and dastardly act. He should be banned for spreading these wild-assed rumors without any proof. Then he removed them and blamed them on me. Phoney serial antagonist.[/QUOTE]
EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD KNOWS YOU POSTED THOSE FAKE PICTURES.
Furthermore, this is not the first time you have ran into problems here on the ISG, as I have found doing a little background search that about one year ago you put up a series of violent, blatantly racist remarks on the Sosua Dominican Republic board using another moniker "NPAUL"
At one point you said (and I quote) "Black women are not as intelligent as white women and black women smell worse than white women because they have more odorous pours in their skin, its a scientific fact" and this created an outrage and rightfully so. So now tell me what ever happened to NPAUL???, and while you are at it answer the questions I rightfully asked you on behalf of myself and my fellow members. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO POSTING FAKE PICTURES???.
If is kind of funny if I had posted them then why did you then try to retract yourself when confronted, by posting that it does not matter where you put your little dick into them at as they are still Columbians, and the same goes for your responses when confronted about the silicon tits. Why did you resort to calling the several members who confronted you "assholes" for you being busted with the fake pics if On The Go had posted them using his excellent computer knowledge and skills???.
One last question for you is why did you decide to delete the post where you were claiming that you fucked my mother and you were my daddy e.t.c. Were you embarrassed just like you were with the post about white women and black women, while using your id NPAUL????. Is that why you decided to become Npg????. Just remember I will be alway's one step ahead of you, and you and I will have no problem if you would only be honest. I must be posting proper information as my p.m box was not accepting anymore p.m's, and the pm's I have been recieving are ALL very supportive of my posts here on the ISG, and I do clear them out on a daily basis. These p.m's were also forwarded on to Jackson to show him that On The Go has major support on the ISG, and to show him that I in no way, shape or form am a antagonist, but I a man who stands his ground with supporting facts.
you must be on 'ludes, man. I am african american and would no way denigrate a sister. I am not this dude NPAUL. You are the only one who smells, and not very good. Get a life outside of the computer. You are sicko to think I am interested in yo mama.
Why happened to your id NPAUL?????
Why do you continue not to answer my question of WHY DID YOU POST STOLEN OR FAKE PICS???????
WHY DID YOU DELETE YOUR MANY POSTS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS???
Why do you have to continue to lie???????
Are Piper1, Popozunda, Frgethenam, Surfer to name a few, all liars for bringing it to the attention of the forum that you are copying and then posting pictures from an escort website in Florida????????
You no longer have ANY CREDIBILITY here on the ISG after your posting of fake pictures/stolen pictures, and the very immature responses you have chosen to post and then delete over the past few days. On the other hand some of the most senior members of the forum have sent me the p.m's I referred to in my prior post detailing to me how you without a doubt used the NPAUL id, and made the racist comments that you did. Your denial of the fake pictures, your accusations of On The Go actually using your id to post them, and your deleting of most of your posts over the past few days, not only shows the members of the forum you have no credibility, it has also showed them your immaturity!. On the other hand On The Go is getting his mailbox filled with an overwhelming amount of support because of the quality of his posts.
[QUOTE=On The Go] Your denial of the fake pictures, your accusations of On The Go actually using your id to post them, and your deleting of most of your posts over the past few days, not only shows the members of the forum you have no credibility, it has also showed them your immaturity!. On the other hand On The Go is getting his mailbox filled with an overwhelming amount of support because of the quality of his posts.[/QUOTE]
Why do you post in the third person? je je
LB
One minute you girls are giving one another the high five, the next your trying to run me and other members under the bus, for simply disagreeing with another member!
Now you l----- appear to have a beef with one another! Speaking for myself who gives a rats ass about the he said she said the senior member have spoken I'm African American bullshit, I have a million dollar deal on the line bullshit!
HAD TO ADD THIS! Then you guys disagree with each other and you have to run off and tell Daddy Jackson on each other, GROW UP PLEASE, daddy has enough to worry about, don't you two think?
Speak your peace, make your point and give it and us a fucking rest!
I do have to admit these cat fights are funny as hell LMFAO!
MEOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Warning! The virus is spreading
Readers may not know, but, OTG was engaged in a fistfight on the Philippine boards just a week ago. Then he moved to the 'Domino in Thailand' board and got involved in fisticuffs there. Lo and behold! I take a look at the Cartagena board, a mere 8000 miles away, and OTG is here too. And involved in a big fight.
For those who haven't made OTG's acquaintance, his usual MO is to accuse his target of using multiple IDs. Whats new is that now, he is playing the race card. I thought that the all-knowing and humorless, Surfer ('I'm cool, you're not'), had the franchise on that.
It makes perfect sense. On The Go and Surfer, together........Priceless.
Gotta let the Thailand and Phils boys know about the latest shootemup involving OTG.
Thanks OTG,
Thanks Surfer,
Don
...an advanced form syphilis or maybe, he could just be a mental midget (no offense to the many dwarfs out there that are ISG members).
OTG, in his short few months as a member of ISG, has made a career out of accusing other members of having multiple ID's and/or doing other dastardly things (check out his posts in: Brazil, Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, etc). Guy's like him eventually reach supernova temperatures and explode; leaving behind a big black-hole. However, in his case it will be a big black-ass-hole (no offense to Juniour).
I suggest we ignore the guy and let him get back to "establishing a million dollar start up company"...it gets funnier ever time I say it.
Good luck OTG, you need it.
Guinness
[QUOTE=On The Go]Are Piper1, Popozunda, Frgethenam, Surfer to name a few, all liars for bringing it to the attention of the forum that you are copying and then posting pictures from an escort website in Florida????????
[/QUOTE]Correction: I wasn't commenting about fake pics - just a chuckle about salivating over the obvious silicone enhancements - all in fun. I'm not interested in your silly online vendetta against NGP and others.
Now, NGP, here is the juiciest au-naturale pair in the history of the universe - but for some reason, they were rock-hard. ;)
cheers
Piper
Who cares ... really.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Who cares ... really.[/QUOTE]
Ditto, this crap here too: Oh, dear.
Why do people insist on feeding the trolls?
Something to lighten the mood. Just back from 10 days here where I introduced my young amigo to Colombia and in particular La Dulce Vita on the first night. It was a particular good quality night and within a few minutes an absolutely gorgeous calena and friend was in play. I asked her to really give my amigo the treatment and she proceded to go to town on him. 100 mil for 2 horas whick turned into almost all night (for a real stunner, I think she wanted to show my friend what colombianas are all about). Well my friend after 3 shags and one pulled mucle in his leg is now a member of the I love latinas club. Que rico!
Ps. Watch the bargirls. Drink prices (particularly Red Bull)seemed to in inverse proportion to our conciousness.
Guys:
I going to be there in February. Will someone please post a complete list of where to meet the Chicas?
Unfortunately, Jackson has not updated all his sites to the format of Argentinaprivate.com and we have to search through all the posts.
It takes a lot of valuable time to do the searching.
So far I have LDV, next to La Perla Del Caribe Casino.
Venus, Way Out of Town somewhere
Siboney, In Matuna Area at Tripita and Media
I found some very old info. Don't if they still exist?
Mr. Babilia, Location?
Club Banana, Location?
Club Escoliera, Location? Info said this was the best place.
Thanks
WT69
That's all you need. They will find you don't worry.
WorldTravel69 -
I'm just back from my first trip to Cartagena. Here's a list of some of the posts I found interesting and/or helpful. I don't have a lot to add beyond the stuff these guys posted.
I did check out a few of the spots, but thought LDV pretty easy to deal with, esp. if you've got a place in Laguito.
12-09-05 by El Ausriaco
12-04-05 by Gipse
10-14-05 by Cachaca Lover
09-19-05 by Atlantas Finest
09-17-05 by Tiny 12
08-21-05 by Young & Restless
08-20-05 by Ngp477
05-10-05 by Latina Passion
Jelly Donut
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69]
I found some very old info. Don't if they still exist?
Mr. Babilia, Location?
Club Banana, Location?
Club Escoliera, Location? Info said this was the best place.
[/QUOTE]
Mister Babilla:
Get. Cl 24 8 B- 137 Calle del Arsenal
Tel. 664 7005
Banana Rana: formerly Club Banana or Banana Rama or commonly known locally as Gallo Loco. In Bocagrande, from what I could find out, but have no updated address info on this place. Don't even know whether this still exists.
La Escollera Bar-Disco:
Bgde. Cr. 1 Cl. 5 C.C. El Pueblito
Tel.: (57 5) 665 2982 - 665 3945
Fax.: 665 2982
I'll add the address of one more place, since one LDV pro mentioned that she and some of her colleagues would hang out there in the early morning hours (I think this is the place, though the way she pronounced it, it sound more like Giro-Matic or Jiro-Matic):
Giro Matto Bar-BBQ:
Centro, Calle de Las Damas con Amargura
Esquina, Antigua Quemada
Tel.: (57 5) 664 7678 - 664 7806
Here are a few lists of Cartagena clubs and bars:
[url]http://www.cartagenaonline.com/disco.html[/url]
[url]http://www.cartagenaonline.com/bares.html[/url]
[url]http://www.cartagenainfo.com/a-z/discotecas/index.html[/url]
EA
was torn down about a year ago. It may have been good many years ago but not in the last few years. On the site will be built the tallest building in Colombia. They are doing pre-construction sales now.
Banana Rama closed a long time ago.
Giro Matto is near Plaza San Pedro Claver in Centro. It doesn't start hopping until after 2:00 am.
Like Beavis said, all you really need is LDV and the beach.
The beach in Cartagena is average. Monday thru friday the beach is dead, it will be you and the touts. Sat. is better, Sunday is the big day. A lot of families, sellers and chicas. It is definitely not Rio, many of the people swim with t-shirts on! Working girls usually start arriving around 2:00 in the afternoon. Would not pay more than 60,000 pesos for daytime. I found daytime action there slow, much more options at night. At night you have centro, bocagrande and LDV. Talent at LDV is almost always good. Walk around centro at night and the girls will find you.
Hey everyone,
I really need some advice. I have a lot of Qs, but I am going to make it short.
I am going to Columbia in like 2 weeks. I have been to Rio and DR and a lot of other countries. I am really young, 22 years old, and good looking. Its just me and my boy are crazy and we want to travel the world together and fuck with all kinds of girls, lol.
Anyway, I read all the reports, and I narrowed it down to Cartagena, Baranquilla, Cali, and Meddliin. We want to go to 2 cities, for a total of about 2 weeks. We have a lot of experiance in 3rd world countries, speak decent spanish by the way, and in the states we get a lot of girls. What would you think are the best to citys as far as prices and overall scene for pros but mostly for regular girls? Most likely were going to go to Cartagena and Meddlin, but I don't know if I should chose Baranquilla over Cartagena, or Cali over Meddlin? What do you guys think?
Also, I heard a lot of people say that its better to get our own apartment when we get to Cartagena so save money by cutting of the middle man, so should I just stay in a hotel the first night then go looking for a apartment the next day? If so, which hotel do you recommend? And if i do just book a apartment before I get there, then who can you best recomend? I am talking for Cartagena of course. I want something very nice on the beach. I don't care about the price as long as I am not getting ripped off. Same thing goes for Meddlin. I was thinking about staying at The Mansion place because that place looks tight, but I am not to sure if its my crowd because of my age, but I might be wrong.
What other options would be good in Meddlin? Whats better: An apartment or a hotel in Meddlin? I want a nice place thats close to the action. Does anyone have any recent info on those 2 cities as far as prices of girls? Just a recent update on the scene.
Please, all advice would be very apperciated, and when I get back i am going to right a book as a report, with all kinds of pics. I had so many pics from Brazil but I lost my camera on the way back. I was so pissed. I hope this doesn't happan again.
Alright everyone hit me up.
Thanx much.
Peace
What would you think are the best to citys as far as prices and overall scene for pros CART & MEDELLIN but mostly for regular girls? MEDELLIN AND CALI Most likely were going to go to Cartagena and Meddlin, but I don't know if I should chose Baranquilla over Cartagena, or Cali over Meddlin? What do you guys think? I LIKE CART FOR SEX BECAUSE YOU GET GIRLS FROM ALL AROUND COLOMBIA TO CHOSE FROM, FOR A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP THE MEDELLIN GIRLS ARE PRETTIEST AND MORE STABLE FOR WIVES.
Also, I heard a lot of people say that its better to get our own apartment when we get to Cartagena so save money by cutting of the middle man, so should I just stay in a hotel the first night then go looking for a apartment the next day? TRY MERY SALENCE FOR AN APARTMENT. HOTEL ALMIRANTE IS $220 A NIGHT NOW AND HILTON IS SAME. ITS HIGH SEASON. APARTMENTS ARE UP TO $100 A NIGHT FOR 1 BR ALL DURING JANUARY. If so, which hotel do you recommend? I LIKE HILTON AND ALMIRANTE, BUT COST IS HIGH. And if i do just book a apartment before I get there, then who can you best recomend? MERY HAS EMAIL ADDRESS ALREADY POSTED ON BOARD. I am talking for Cartagena of course. I want something very nice on the beach. I don't care about the price as long as I am not getting ripped off. Same thing goes for Meddlin. I was thinking about staying at The Mansion place because that place looks tight, but I am not to sure if its my crowd because of my age, but I might be wrong. TRY THE MANSION. VERY BEAUTIFUL AND A GOOD LOCATION.
What other options would be good in Meddlin? Whats better: An apartment or a hotel in Meddlin? CHECK THE POSTINGS PREVIOUSLY. I STAYED IN AN APARTMENT IN MEDELLIN NEAR VISCAYA MALL, AND POSTED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT DO NOT RECALL THE NAME. I want a nice place thats close to the action. Does anyone have any recent info on those 2 cities as far as prices of girls? READ THE POSTINGS. CART FROM 40,000 FOR STREET GIRLS TO 150,000 TLN. MEDELLIN STREET GIRLS BY SAN DIEGO MALL ABOUT 60-80,000. MASSAGE GIRLS 35-100,000 DEPENDS ON THE PLACE, LOOK IN THE YELLOW PAGES FOR ALL LISTED. Just a recent update on the scene.
[QUOTE=Ngp477]What would you think are the best to citys as far as prices and overall scene for pros CART & MEDELLIN but mostly for regular girls? MEDELLIN AND CALI Most likely were going to go to Cartagena and Meddlin, but I don't know if I should chose Baranquilla over Cartagena, or Cali over Meddlin? What do you guys think? I LIKE CART FOR SEX BECAUSE YOU GET GIRLS FROM ALL AROUND COLOMBIA TO CHOSE FROM, FOR A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP THE MEDELLIN GIRLS ARE PRETTIEST AND MORE STABLE FOR WIVES.
Also, I heard a lot of people say that its better to get our own apartment when we get to Cartagena so save money by cutting of the middle man, so should I just stay in a hotel the first night then go looking for a apartment the next day? TRY MERY SALENCE FOR AN APARTMENT. HOTEL ALMIRANTE IS $220 A NIGHT NOW AND HILTON IS SAME. ITS HIGH SEASON. APARTMENTS ARE UP TO $100 A NIGHT FOR 1 BR ALL DURING JANUARY. If so, which hotel do you recommend? I LIKE HILTON AND ALMIRANTE, BUT COST IS HIGH. And if i do just book a apartment before I get there, then who can you best recomend? MERY HAS EMAIL ADDRESS ALREADY POSTED ON BOARD. I am talking for Cartagena of course. I want something very nice on the beach. I don't care about the price as long as I am not getting ripped off. Same thing goes for Meddlin. I was thinking about staying at The Mansion place because that place looks tight, but I am not to sure if its my crowd because of my age, but I might be wrong. TRY THE MANSION. VERY BEAUTIFUL AND A GOOD LOCATION.
What other options would be good in Meddlin? Whats better: An apartment or a hotel in Meddlin? CHECK THE POSTINGS PREVIOUSLY. I STAYED IN AN APARTMENT IN MEDELLIN NEAR VISCAYA MALL, AND POSTED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT DO NOT RECALL THE NAME. I want a nice place thats close to the action. Does anyone have any recent info on those 2 cities as far as prices of girls? READ THE POSTINGS. CART FROM 40,000 FOR STREET GIRLS TO 150,000 TLN. MEDELLIN STREET GIRLS BY SAN DIEGO MALL ABOUT 60-80,000. MASSAGE GIRLS 35-100,000 DEPENDS ON THE PLACE, LOOK IN THE YELLOW PAGES FOR ALL LISTED. Just a recent update on the scene.[/QUOTE]
Agree with you 100% with Mery. She is the best.. She treats Americans very well, she is not too fond of the Italians, because they thrash her units, make noise all night and run around all coked up... She always charges me the same rate ( high season or not), always makes sure we have everything we need, found a good dentist for me buddy and accomponied him to the dental office and translated for him. her driver Alex is a good guy too
okichuku - if you are 22 you are better off going to one of spring break destinations and chasing drunk college girls. Go to Cancun and fuck tight body pierced belly button 19 year olds who travel there specifically to get laid; that's what I did when I was in my 20s. As many colombian women are money (or marriage) orinented there is little advantage being in Colombia at your age. My 2 cents.
To your question: you will probably get laid anywhere in Colombia depending on your spanish/charm/how many days you are staying, i.e. YMMV. For nonpros between cali and medellin it's a hair splitting choice. Girls in Cartagena are dark and are generally considered less attractive compared to those in other cities. Also I heard BAQ is #1 for nonpros. Good luck.
Treat her (and her daughter Sally) well. Eddie, her ex-husband, is scum of the Earth. I am nuetral on Juan Ventura. There you have the Better Business Bureau ratings on the top three apartment agents in Laguito.
The prices being quoted are ridiculous, but i am sure can be lowered with effective bargiaining (in Spanish). But these are still ominous indicators of how Cartagena has changed over the last 3 or 4 years due to the influx from the North.
Surfer ... I'll second that about Mery ... great lady!
I'll also second you on your comment about Cartagena not being the same ... actually all of Colombia.
Just got back from Medellin ... reminds me of San Jose, Costa Rica almost.
I congratulate Aussie and his companero on their Mansion there ... good guys ... however .... it sure opened the door to too many gringos ...
Looks like this dumb gringo (yo) is off to other, less traveled lands ... with an occassional stop in these now popular gringo hangouts.
Suerte!
Sabimos que es mejor preservarlos . . .
NOWHERE else in Colombia has such nicely furnished apartments for short term rentals like Cartagena.
Hi Guys,
I will spend some a weekend at the Las Americas hotel.
Any ides about some good girls in this are. I do not want to travel to much.
I speak some basic spanish.
Thanks for any hints,
Myshyguy
[QUOTE=Ricker]Surfer ... I'll second that about Mery ... great lady![/QUOTE]
I stayed with Mery last April and was also very pleased.
The apartment actually had a doorman to keep the girls OUT, or the Americans would be overwhelmed with chicas at the door. He just wasn't very good at it.
I suspect that the girls would be let in to see one guy, and when they were done, would knock on all the other doors on the way out, hoping to find someone else home.
I had several surprise knocks in my week there, at least one a day.
I had an elaborate system worked out with the doorman as to who to let in and when, so that my novia (who I saw every day for a week) would not come across the rest of my girls.
One time it was like the Keystone Kops, as I had him holding my favorite chica from LDV at bay, until I could get my novia and her sister and a friend out of my place.
But it all was for naught as another time I came back from the bathroom to find my novia looking at the photos on my camera. She got pissed as hell, accusing me of consorting with putas.
I was busted, so I pled guilty.
In the end she decided to forgive me.
She just needed to know that I loved her best.
DB
[QUOTE=Myshyguy]Hi Guys,
I will spend some a weekend at the Las Americas hotel.
Any ides about some good girls in this are. I do not want to travel to much.
I speak some basic spanish.
Thanks for any hints,
Myshyguy[/QUOTE]
I once stayed at the apartment complex right next door to Las Americas (Los Morros) - it's VERY far away from the action - Bocagrande and Laguito - but I liked that.
There are virtually no touts on the beach - and Las Americas has a great beach set-up. So if you are looking for a relaxing time on a virtually secluded beach, Las Americas is your place. I had a great time at Los Morros - but I was with my novia. When we wanted to go into the old city we'd take a taxi - it's about 20 minutes from there.
SL
Guys,
I will be heading to Cartagena for 2 weeks in February with my girlfriend. We enjoy 3-somes with other chicas and I was wondering if anyone can recommend any quality chicas in Cartagena?
My GF and I are young, both 24, and fluent in Spanish, just looking for a good time on our vacation :)
Any other suggestions where we could find girls to rumbear with??
Thanks and peace
Especially since you speak Spanish, you'll have no trouble finding willing chicas at La Dolce Vita in Laguito. I did the same thing when a chica from Medellin was visiting me three years ago. We hit LDV, and I let her choose.
Rather than trying to find any particular chica, just hit LDV after midnight any night.
A second option would be to hang around on the beach nearest LDV on Sat. and especially Sun. Sunday is the big beach day of the week.
Hey Guys
I am reviewing this thread studying for my first mongering trip to Cartagena (been there once with the ex-wife).
I see reference to:
Calenas
Paisas
Cachacas
Costenas
By reading into the context, I think these are the different types of skin-tones of the chicas? Do I understand correctly?
Can someone translate what each one means for me? I would appreciate it.
Suerte,
Stowe
Hope this helps:
Caleña = A female from Cali (mostly very dark mixed or black).
Paisa = A female from Medellin (mostly light skinned and blond).
Cachaca = A female from Bogota.
Costeña = A female from the Carribbean coast of Colombia (like Cartagena, Barranquilla).
So they are actually city-specific and regional designations rather than referring to skin type.
EA
Tom33, Do you know what building Torremarina and Edi Nautilus are located?
Hey, I'll be in town 02/1 to 02/05 My offer still stands if you want anything from the States (California) just drop me a note! Sorry, but Mexican food no can do!
Hell, lets try an Hook up for a little Baby Beef, both Variety!
Hey, have any of you guys seen my girl in the Lesbian photos that I took? Some of you guys might remember a few months back they where stolen from this site and poted them on a puta web site, well she found out about them and Baby Girl is pissed!
El Austriaco thanks for al of the addresses, this gives me a lot of options!
Torre Marina is next to the new building under construction. In my book it is the nicest building in Laguito.
Edificio Nautilus is across the street toward the Hilton. There is one building between it and the Hilton. I don't know anything about the building.
I'll be in town when you are. My building is located between the two above. Thanks for the offer to bring stuff. I'm in the US now. I'm heading for MDE next week. Then on to CTG on the 30th.
Torre is Juan's APT and the other is Mery's Guess I'll stay at Juan's!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Torre Marina is next to the new building under construction. In my book it is the nicest building in Laguito.
Edificio Nautilus is across the street toward the Hilton. There is one building between it and the Hilton. I don't know anything about the building.
I'll be in town when you are. My building is located between the two above. Thanks for the offer to bring stuff. I'm in the US now. I'm heading for MDE next week. Then on to CTG on the 30th.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the education. While I have mongered in Buenos Aires and absolutely love that city. I have a thing for Colombianas and really want to experience those chicas.
While I believe, from personal experience, that Medellin chicas are the hottest and will probably go there next year, it seems it's easier to find the chicas in Cartagena. And for my first trip for sex in Colombia, I kind of want easy-especially since I will be there for only 5 days before moving on to Buenos Aires.
Again, thanks for the info.
Suerte,
Bruce
I will be very grateful if any of you could give any advice about wich hotel to choose.
Sean EZ,
Ok I am confused, When I went to Cartagena 2x in 2k5, I found the women to be absolutely Drop-dead-gorgeous! So are you saying that Cali, Bogota and perhaps Baranquilla are even better?
[QUOTE=Sean EZ]okichuku - if you are 22 you are better off going to one of spring break destinations and chasing drunk college girls. Go to Cancun and fuck tight body pierced belly button 19 year olds who travel there specifically to get laid; that's what I did when I was in my 20s. As many colombian women are money (or marriage) orinented there is little advantage being in Colombia at your age. My 2 cents.
To your question: you will probably get laid anywhere in Colombia depending on your spanish/charm/how many days you are staying, i.e. YMMV. For nonpros between cali and medellin it's a hair splitting choice. Girls in Cartagena are dark and are generally considered less attractive compared to those in other cities. Also I heard BAQ is #1 for nonpros. Good luck.[/QUOTE]
Gentlemen,
I will be in Cartagena 01/18-01/30 and I've been having a tough time finding a hotel that is decent and cheap. I was planning on spending only $40-50 USD on a room (yeah, I know I'm a miser), so it looks like an apartment might be my best bet. If I can't find an apt, I might stay at hotel Da Pietro. If anyone has a contact for an apartment or hotel recommendation, a PM would be appreciated. I have a couple girls lined up from the net that I plan on meeting. I'm planning on chasing the amateurs, but will also do some mongering too. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer, let me know. I'm 30, pretty laid back, and my Spanish is dreadful! Any of you guys have any tips/luck with the amateurs? Elpapiblanco
BellDude local girls generally have dark features. If you met a white girl she was probably from Medellin/Bogota/etc but not from the coast, right? Everyone has their preferences.
Could someone please let me know how close the Hotel Charlotte is to the Marina and LDV?
Thanks,
Dogus
Can anyone who knows and/or lived in both Sosua and Cartagena give a
comparison on the pros and cons of both and their personal choice as place to retire.
is about 6 blocks from LDV.
What Marina? If you mean the tourist pier, it's maybe 10-12 blocks.
Sean, Baranquilleras are generally pretty white as well.
Papi, the Da Pietro is fine for the budget traveller. I'll be in MDE while you are in town.
Hope someone has this info.
I know LDV is next to a casino near El Laguito but what street is it on? I am planning my trip and have a map of Cartagena and want to know the street so I know the general area where I want my apartment to be?
Suerte,
Stowe
[QUOTE=Stowe]Hope someone has this info.
I know LDV is next to a casino near El Laguito but what street is it on? I am planning my trip and have a map of Cartagena and want to know the street so I know the general area where I want my apartment to be?
Suerte,
Stowe[/QUOTE]
Casino la Perla del Caribe
Parque Comercial Pierino Gallo
Tel.: 665 0573
[url]http://www.casinocity.com/co/cartagena/colperl/[/url]
Appreciate the information. Cannot wait to go.
BTW- your reports were excellent and very informative, especially for those of us who have not traveled there yet.
Suerte,
Stowe
Gentlemen,
My friends and I are debating on having a bachelor party in BAQ or CTG. There will be 12 of us. I have looked at the lists and the posts. However, I need some help. How can we compare Lusitania with LDV?Which one has more girls. Also, how is the playboy club? Is it simliar to a srtip club in the US? We have rented apartments and could also have it at our residence. Please send reply asap. Baq or CTG. If any one knows of some females who do parties and are hot. Please give me the 411.
Thanks,
Peace out.
BAQ: For the most part is an industrial city! It is like comparing Long Beach Calif to Santa Monica Calif!
For Pros CTG for Non-Pros BAQ!
[QUOTE=FlyJets]Gentlemen,
My friends and I are debating on having a bachelor party in BAQ or CTG. There will be 12 of us. I have looked at the lists and the posts. However, I need some help. How can we compare Lusitania with LDV?Which one has more girls. Also, how is the playboy club? Is it simliar to a srtip club in the US? We have rented apartments and could also have it at our residence. Please send reply asap. Baq or CTG. If any one knows of some females who do parties and are hot. Please give me the 411.
Thanks,
Peace out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]BAQ: For the most part is an industrial city! It is like comparing Long Beach Calif to Santa Monica Calif!
For Pros CTG for Non-Pros BAQ![/QUOTE]
Full agree with LP. Lusitania is a brothel with on-side facilities with been 15 and 20 girls. LDV is like a regular club, except that all the girls there are hookers. Generally, you will find between 40 and 60, depending which day and what time you go. Pleyboy, I don't know (never been there). No contest, go to CTG. Much easier.
EA
Also with that large of a crew check out renting a few Penthouses, look for TOM 33 post, he has listed a Juan Ventura as a guy to see. My first time using the guy will be in a few weeks but TOM 33 lives in CTG so he knows the in and outs. I used [url]www.loveme.com[/url] they have about 6 Apt's all are pretty good at a heck of a price!
Alos the best post writen here IMHO (always disclaimers now a days) is by El and Atlantas Finest, really detailed!
For a bachelor party I think LDV would be a lame choice. Now if none of Flyjets group speaks good Spanish, BAQ could be a challenge BUT for a bachelor party you want strippers and sexy entertainment. That does NOT occur at LDV.
There are no full on US style strip clubs in Colombia where lapdances are the norm. The closest would be clubs in BOG, MDE and CLO. Nothing on the coast is that organized IMHO.
A better idea, IMHO, would be to have the party at an apartment and hire a bunch of girls to come in and perform. SOMEBODY should go in advance to audition them. As I will pass through CTG for at least a night or two on the way elsewhere within the next 10 days, I offer to undertake the task. My fees are very reasonable (actually I'd do it just for the fun of it!). Seriously, Flyjets, I can talk to some people in CTG to arrange several honeys for your party. PM me (soon) if interested.
Gentlemen,
I would like to thank you all for your posts on the info for a bachelor party. We have decided to do it in MDE. The flights are better and as posted MDE will have strip style clubs. I have done ctg and baq on multiple occasions. This will be my first time to MDE to enjoy the scenery. All shall be conquered. Thanks.
Thank us with some pics!!!!
[QUOTE=FlyJets]Gentlemen,
I would like to thank you all for your posts on the info for a bachelor party. We have decided to do it in MDE. The flights are better and as posted MDE will have strip style clubs. I have done ctg and baq on multiple occasions. This will be my first time to MDE to enjoy the scenery. All shall be conquered. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I hope that you and your boys are experienced travelers AND fluent in Spanish. If not, you may be in for some big problems in MDE. You say that you have never been here(I am writing this from an Internet cafe in MDE centro) before. This is about my 6th time here in the last two years, and I live in CTG. I still tread very lightly here.
MDE is a great place if you know the area.
For beginners, go to CTG Laguito or Bocagrande.
Tom 33; Your mission is if you chose to accept it, is show me to the land of 40K to 60K Short Time!
Tom as luck would have it my novia will be in town a day after me, she has an appointment she can't break away from of couse I voiced how
disappointed I was and how it would not be the same without her!
Tom I have 200K that says your the man, do not let me down por favor LOL!
yep ... bunch of drunk bachelor party guys in Medellin ... hmmm. Cartagena much better place for that ... easy.
Ricker,please don't send them to Cartagena,Laguito(gringo gulch).It's already got to many gringo's.Let them stay in the Gringo Mansion,they might stand a chance there!Can someone film this?LOL.
You are on.
Fly: read my post in the MDE section. Do not fuck around in MDE.
Tom 33 Cool at 200K that's two for me and two for you and a big bottle of rum to boot! Think UI'll bring a bottle of Cabo Wabo with me introduce some chicas to some fine sipping Tequila!
My flight gets in around 15:30 so I'll give you a call aroun 6 or so!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]You are on.
Fly: read my post in the MDE section. Do not fuck around in MDE.[/QUOTE]
I just returned from my second trip to Cartagena in a few years. The city was my first stop on my first trip to Colombia a few years ago and I recall enjoying myself. Since that time I have come to know Medellin very well, and been spoiled by it, and on this second trip I could not stand Cartagena.
My main beef is with the touts, many of whom I would have shot in the knee caps if I had been armed. They completely ruin daytime activities in the city for me, as there is almost nowhere you can go where some persistent asshole isn't trying to sell you a T-shirt, bracelets, emeralds, fake rolex watches, etc. The taxi drivers also tend towards the shifty side, and even my hotel (San Martin) made a 200,000 peso "mistake" on my bill which I spent 20 minutes fighting with them over.
As for mongering, I did check out LDV and the selection was about as good as I remember it. No need to elaborate more on that place. More interestingly, I met a 19-year-old redhead (with freckled and everything) in the plaza in front of Tu Candela, who has about the best body I have ever seen in my life! Perfect large firm natural breasts, perky round ass, flat tight stomach-- I mean 15 on a scale of 1 to 10. When she quoted my 150,000 for a short time, I didn't even blink and took her right back to the hotel. Service was good, a little pro but friendly.
Also, I went to get a massage at a legitimate salon inside the Hotel Dorado in Bocagrande and was delighted to get a fantastic happy ending with a little BBBJ thrown in. The woman who gave the massage (which was excellent!) was a little older, but her experience showed with the HJ. If you want to check this place out, go to the Hotel Dorado Peluqueria/Salon and ask for Vicky.
Last night I was back in Medellin and a girl I was with left her nice new leather bag in the back of a taxi. Half an hour later the taxi driver showed back up after discovering the bag. My girl was delighted, and so was I. I turned to some guys at the bar and said "This is why I love Medellin, people like this."
Ok dudes,
let me know the 411. I have been to Cart 2 times and had a great time. where in General is the best place for mongering? Cart? Baranquilla? Bogota? or Medellin? where is best for regular girls? best for strip clubs? best for sw's? best for Brothels? thanks to all for any info. feel free to im me.
Al
Nice info on the massage, I may look into this on my next trip to CTG in late March. How much was the massage, and did you have to tip for the happy ending?
Thanks in advance!
Hit CTG last week and hooked up with TOM 33, and the man knows his shit! Not much to report but yes boys and girls you can get todo la noche at LDV for well under $150K! Stopped in there for a quick beer my first night out and the chicas where the hottest that I have ever seen, and I was not drunk yet!
The asking price was $300K, to make a long story short talked her down to $120 in less then 15 minutes then left had my novia waiting for me at the apt!
The ratio was like 3 to 1 so that or the fact that I refuse to pay and arm and a leg for punany might have been the reason for the reasonable price!
Took Tom 33's advice and booked thru Juan Ventura, kick ass APT with a bathtub, that's right boys and girls a f---ing bathtub in Colombia! Apt was $60 a night for me and my novia, it is unit 902 on Juan's web site, the pics do it no justice at all, it has everything except for chicas!
For you new guys coming to CTG and want to know the ins and outs of the city all you have to do is read TOM 33's post, not the most romantic or visual but his info is going to be 99% right on the money and if dude is only paying $40K or $50K for short time you should to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get to CTG have dinner get a call from TOM 33 he tells me he just had dinner 200 yards from where I was at, then he tells me he is in bed with two hot chicas just watching T.V., if I want to drop by, had my girl with me so I took a pass!
The next day I drop by Tom's apt and now he has 3 hot chicas in his APT, watching T.V. his novia and two of her friends!
The five of us go out to lunch, I have no money and Tom pays for us all! Anyhow go back to his APT and one of the chicas a big tit HARD body black chica tells Tom's novia that she wants to hook up with me! Check Please!
So I go back to my APT to get some money so I can pay TOM back for lunch, and invite the chica to walk with me, need I say more? Gave her a 50K tip and she wanted to stay with me all day long, but don't think the Novia would have been to happy with that so I sent her on her way!
One last thing about TOM 33, the cat is I think 57 looks ten years younger tho, really laid back mellow private dude. I've seen his post of chicas on this board and like I told him I was not impressed, then dude shows me TOM 33's private Chica collection, dudes collection can compete with any of the pics posted here 100% HOT! I asked TOM, dude why don't you post these chica's? He tells me LP I live here, enough said!
Again any new guys headed to CTG, just read TOM's post not glaorous because TOM is not out to impress anyone but his post are right on the money!
As I'm leaving CTG I see TOM 33 walking down the street with his Novia and two of her cousins headed to the beach lucky fucker!
[QUOTE=TheShadow2]Nice info on the massage, I may look into this on my next trip to CTG in late March. How much was the massage, and did you have to tip for the happy ending?
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Shadow,
The massage was 50,000 for an hour and I did tip for the happy ending though I didn't think i needed to. I tell you, half the fun was not knowing whether or not the happy ending was even coming. getting a truly great massage was also fantastic of course.
SL
[QUOTE=Salsero Loco]I just returned from my second trip to Cartagena in a few years. The city was my first stop on my first trip to Colombia a few years ago and I recall enjoying myself. Since that time I have come to know Medellin very well, and been spoiled by it, and on this second trip I could not stand Cartagena.
My main beef is with the touts, many of whom I would have shot in the knee caps if I had been armed. They completely ruin daytime activities in the city for me, as there is almost nowhere you can go where some persistent asshole isn't trying to sell you a T-shirt, bracelets, emeralds, fake rolex watches, etc. The taxi drivers also tend towards the shifty side, and even my hotel (San Martin) made a 200,000 peso "mistake" on my bill which I spent 20 minutes fighting with them over.
As for mongering, I did check out LDV and the selection was about as good as I remember it. No need to elaborate more on that place.[/QUOTE]
Because the touts are so terrible, I try to spend a couple of days in Cartagena, then travel on to Medellin for the rest of the trip. Usually Avianca has a special with the "free stopover" or will give you a cheap ticket if you tell them you want to spend a couple of days in Cartagena with continuation on to Medellin.
After my last three month stay in Cartagena I might have to head to other cities. I agree with you guys, the touts are unreal. Some days I can take it and other days it makes me crazy. How many times can you hear, Amigo! My friend! , cuban cigars! All in a bad english accent. I realize they are just trying to make a living but after they follow you for 2-3 blocks it gets alittle old. Also have you noticed they always seem to have promotions going on? LOL.
The one thing that really gets me is when you are trying to eat and they roll up on you and stick the sunglasses in front of your food and stand there. Thank the monger gods that the country is filled with hot chicas! Sorry for venting here guys, but the post on the Cartagena tout got me going!
[QUOTE=Salsero Loco]I just returned from my second trip to Cartagena in a few years. The city was my first stop on my first trip to Colombia a few years ago and I recall enjoying myself. Since that time I have come to know Medellin very well, and been spoiled by it, and on this second trip I could not stand Cartagena.
My main beef is with the touts, many of whom I would have shot in the knee caps if I had been armed. They completely ruin daytime activities in the city for me, as there is almost nowhere you can go where some persistent asshole isn't trying to sell you a T-shirt, bracelets, emeralds, fake rolex watches, etc. The taxi drivers also tend towards the shifty side, and even my hotel (San Martin) made a 200,000 peso "mistake" on my bill which I spent 20 minutes fighting with them over.
As for mongering, I did check out LDV and the selection was about as good as I remember it. No need to elaborate more on that place. More interestingly, I met a 19-year-old redhead (with freckled and everything) in the plaza in front of Tu Candela, who has about the best body I have ever seen in my life! Perfect large firm natural breasts, perky round ass, flat tight stomach-- I mean 15 on a scale of 1 to 10. When she quoted my 150,000 for a short time, I didn't even blink and took her right back to the hotel. Service was good, a little pro but friendly.
Also, I went to get a massage at a legitimate salon inside the Hotel Dorado in Bocagrande and was delighted to get a fantastic happy ending with a little BBBJ thrown in. The woman who gave the massage (which was excellent!) was a little older, but her experience showed with the HJ. If you want to check this place out, go to the Hotel Dorado Peluqueria/Salon and ask for Vicky.
Last night I was back in Medellin and a girl I was with left her nice new leather bag in the back of a taxi. Half an hour later the taxi driver showed back up after discovering the bag. My girl was delighted, and so was I. I turned to some guys at the bar and said "This is why I love Medellin, people like this."[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have similar experiences with the touts. I wanted to punch Tony the Tout the first time I met him. You have to treat the tout's like little children, kindly discipling them, then ignoring them, NEVER SHOW ANY INTEREST IN ANY OF THE TOUT'S GOODS, ONCE YOU SHOW ANY INTEREST, YOU ARE A MARKED MAN. I also want to kick Alex the husslers ass, he is a real piece of shit. he also works a scam with a smokin hot puta named Kelly. He is a loudmouth punk always bragging that he is friends with John , the owner of the Hotel del rey in Costa Rica, who the hell cares.......
I also always rent an apartment from mery, and I use Alex the taxi driver ( not the same Alex as mentioned above) and have no problems. Alex the taxi driver takes care of a lot of errands and other shit for me, and has always been fair to me.
I've been back from Colombia for a three days now and everything has settled in so I decided to write this report. First off, I want to thank everyone on this board that helped me make the decision to go to Colombia and secondly for giving me all of the good advice and information that made my trip such a success.
I started the trip by securing four things. Number one, a flight on Copa Airlines from LAX to Cartagena and a return from Medellin to LAX. This flight was a decent choice because it left late at night (12:15) and arrived in Cartagena in the afternoon, which was better in my opinion than many flights that landed at night. The only issue was the 5 hour layover in Panama before flying onto Cartagena (but we make the best of it as I explain below). The price was OK at about $600, considering the different departure city than the arrival city. The second thing I secured was an apartment in Cartagena from Juan Ventura using the website CartagenaPenthouse.com site. The third thing was dates at Aussie Greg's mansion. The last thing I got was a flight from Cartagena to Medellin on Avianca airlines. It was less than $100.00. Now I was ready for my first trip to Colombia.
So the trip is myself and a friend, both of us in our upper thirties. We both really enjoy partying and of course chicas so Colombia seemed like the perfect location. The trip was a total of 12 days, 6 in Cartagena and 6 in Medellin.
We start off by flying to Panama and arriving there around 10:00 in the morning. We have 5 hours to blow before the flight to CTG, the airport is very boring so we pay our $5 visa fee and head for Panama City. I had asked on the Panama boards for infomation about a massage place we could go at that time of day for a shower and quicky before we hit the realtime in CTG. A member told me about a place called Oasis Spa that opened at 11:00am and was next to a new, nice casino, so that is where we headed to. We got down there in about 20 minutes from the airport and with a cab fare of about $25. We get to the casino and get dropped off, right next to the casino is Oasis but it is still closed. So we head into the casino to check it out and have a Panamanian beer. We go back out around 11:15 and the place is still closed, even though the sign on the door said open at 11:00am. We hung out until 11:30 and there was no action at all, so we started thinking about heading back to the airport with no shower or morning fix. We walked toward the street and that is when we met Jack. Jack was a funny cab driver who spoke pretty good English and was always talking shit. On the way to the airport my buddy asked him where all of the girls were and he said he would take us to a place if we wanted. It was a bit risky but we said sure, we still had 2.5 hours before the flight and were ready for some action at that point. Jack drives us through a neighborhood and down a long driveway to a message house with a sign on the door that said Royal Elegance, We walked inside and saw there were about 4 girls hanging out that we could choose from. I would rate them between 5 and 6's, nothing too great, but considering the time and the need for a shower we both took a girl and headed to a room. It was a decent session costing about $60.00, it was worth it. We finished and Jack took us back to the airport with still an hour before our flight. This was way better than sitting at the airport for 5 hours!
We landed in CTG at 3:30, and was met at the airport by Alex the cab driver who Juan arranged for me when I rented the Penthouse from him. Alex took us to the penthouse and honked at every cute girl along the way.. We walked into the penthouse and the doorman gave us the keys and we headed up to the thirteenth floor. The place was nice, but was very expensive at $300 a night. It did have three bedrooms but there was only 2 of us so one room went to waste the whole trip. It was still cheaper than both of us renting a room at the Hilton and it did have some perks like a large Jacuzzi and full kitchen. Juan came over later that day and we settled up for the apartment, he seems like a nice guy, he spoke good English and was willing to help with some basic information about the town. We changed clothes and headed out for walk to start exploring. We walked around the concrete jungle of Lagunita and into Boca Grande. We also walked on the beach for while before stopping for something to eat. Along this walk we saw quite a few girls but only a few that seemed like they were working. It was now time to head back to the room, chill out for awhile and get ready to hit LDV for the night.
La Dolce Vita is located right next to a casino and is easy to find plus everyone knows where it is just ask and anyone can tell you. We got there around 10:00pm and they place was starting to fill up with girls. By 11:30 or so there was probably around 40 girls on a Thursday night. The range of talent was anywhere from 5 or 6 all the way up to some 9.5’s with most of the girls being a 7.5 to 8.5. The way LDV works is that most of the girls just stand around, some dance a bit by themselves, but overall ignore people unless they are approached. Some of the girls flirt with you a bit, but they rarely approach you unless you call them over. It was kind of nice not being bothered while you are making your decision and having a few drinks getting ready for your night. The girls would ask for 200,000 to 250,000 per night. A few times I gave them $100 US and they would be happy with that.
All six of the nights we spent in CTG we had a party at the penthouse with multiple girls. None of the girls really stood out as much as a girl named Valentina. She was 20 years old, from Medellin and was always the life of the party. This girl would always have multiple friends that would join us each night and it seemed like every night the party and sex got better. We saw the sun rise every night, sometimes we would party until 9 am. I spent a few of my nights with Valentina but would also do one of her friends at some point during the night. The Jacuzzi came in real handy many nights, we always kept a full bottle of Buchanan’s whiskey on hand, it seemed like every girl wanted to drink whiskey and that was their drink of choice. Tuesday night was out last night in town so we decided to give Pleyboy a shot. We were starting to get too well known at LDV, so it was time for change. We hired a cab that was recommended by our doorman, to wait for us while we were in the club. It cost about $30 for him to wait for us for the whole night while we checked out the talent at Pleyboy. The talent at Pleyboy was good, the club was mostly full of Colombian guys, so we were very welcomed when we got in there. There were about 12 girls there that night with 5 or 6 being in the 9 range and the rest varying between 6 and 8. My friend and myself each grabbed a girl from there and took them back to the penthouse for a final fling before our trip to Medellin. That was a fun night, the two girls we choose we not only beautiful, but we wild as hell, it was a great last night!
The next day we packed up and headed for the airport and our Avianca flight to Medellin. CTG was a huge success but we were ready to step up the program in Medellin. The second half of my report I will post very soon in Aussie Greg’s forum, it only got better from this point forward, and I did not think that was even possible!!
Hey Racer ...
Just reading your report:
your party ability 10
negotiating 0
Paying the chicas asking price of 200-250 mil pesos for a night ... or $100 us ... hmmmm ... this is Colombia?
Whatever ... have fun in Medellin.
Racer,
Riker is right, $100. 00 US. Was too much. Most will go for 150, 000. Pesos or around $70. 00 U. S, all night.
Also $300. 00 a night is hard to believe in Columbia for an apartment. $2000. 00 US dollars for a week! that's crazy! Mr Ventura must be enjoying himself this week. Maybe I will start renting apartments there. Also, the taxi's will wait for you for free outside the casas, as they get a kick back from what you spent there. You couldn't have chased him off with a stick!
Sprinters, or guys that go down for a week seem to have a budget they feel they have to get rid off.
Dude, I don't mean to be too hard on ya, thanks for the report but next time try negotiating alittle. For the marathon guys who are down for months at a time, or who live there, we have to live with the prices.
Good luck in Med.
We post and we post and guys still are paying DOUBLE! Hell I just got pack fromt CTG last week and hell it is the SLOW season there, when I went to LDV it was almost three to one!
Racer: Hell If I did not know better I would pay the same as well, nothing beats a Colombiana and her jeans!
TOM 33: New Pepsi Challenge for you baby! The BBQ I PM you about hell have your girl and Jenneifer invite all her find ass friends and lets show the new guys how far 40K and a kick ass attitude can get you!
NIBU: Trying to rent a penthouse in CTG around 02/23 and throw a little party if interested PM me and BYOB and that aint a bottle!
[QUOTE=Ricker]Hey Racer ...
Just reading your report:
your party ability 10
negotiating 0
Paying the chicas asking price of 200-250 mil pesos for a night ... or $100 us ... hmmmm ... this is Colombia?
Whatever ... have fun in Medellin.[/QUOTE]
200-250 mil pesos per night?? Ouch! Shit, why go all the way to Colombia?? Just go to Costa Rica where those prices are the norm. Thanks for the report anyway.
Haven't seen your name in the Colombia section for a bit ... just printed out your report on Bucaramanga ... gonna head that way soon.
Taker easy
Hey Ricker,
I still peruse the Colombia section from time to time and I'm ooking forward to getting back sometime next summer. Bucaramanga was a fun trip when I went a couple of years ago- I wish I would have had more time to explore the city!
In the short term, I'm off to Chisinau, Moldova to see what's happening there.
$150/person/night for a primo 3 bedroom Apt. with a Jacuzzi is a lot better deal than, say, the Santa Clara. And you're not going to find any 9's or 10's in San Jose that will spend toda la noche for $100. Admittedly, a lot of times the extra money doesn't make any difference in performance. But sometimes it does. If the woman thinks you're going to continue paying her an above market price, she's going to want to provide repeat business. And if she's got any sense, she should know the best way to do that is with great service.
And 225,000 pesos sounds pretty good to me for an all nighter with a drop dead gorgeous, passionate chica. I've never pulled one from LDV for less than 100,000, and majority of times it's been for less than TLN. But I have to admit I don't have the patience or negotiating abilities of Zippy et al either.
Racer, looking forward to your next post in Medellin folder!
downright comfortable like I NEVER remember. Prices are REALLY climbing (never went to LDV but HEARD about asking prices). If Zippy can still get all nighters from LDV for 80K I will be REALLY impressed. His Bucaramanga report is still the gold standard for that rarely discussed city. I keep planning on getting up there but old favorites keep intervening. A nice pair from Perriera met on the beach in CTG.
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]
TOM 33: New Pepsi Challenge for you baby! The BBQ I PM you about hell have your girl and Jenneifer invite all her find ass friends and lets show the new guys how far 40K and a kick ass attitude can get you!
NIBU: Trying to rent a penthouse in CTG around 02/23 and throw a little party if interested PM me and BYOB and that aint a bottle![/QUOTE]
6 weeks to go for what should be the best mongering trip of my life to date based on what I have read, seen and previous experience in latino countries. I love SEA but speaking the language does go a looong way with the women.
LP or Tom 33...I am down for a big ass party in CTG when I am down there. A penthouse with bikini clad chicas sounds about right.
Again,there is no reason to pay 225,000. pesos por LTN.Just got back from a 4 month stay there and i would say 80% of the girls will go all night for 150,000.Short term 100,000pesos. There are always some who will not budge from some crazy price.I just laugh and move on,you will always find another hot one there.There are hundreds of posts saying 150,000. pesos for the whole night,i don't understand why people keep trying to throw out the 200,000p and above.
Also maybe this info can help;when i first got there i went to LDV.I was approched by a couple of chicas who wanted to party.Both were cute but alittle on the skinny side.I told them i only pay 80,000. to get rid of them,which worked. After about a month of them seeing me there all the time they asked why i never took them,i said because i pay 80,000. They said lets go!I did both of them at different times,and both ended up being very good in bed.Also picked a couple nice ones off outside LDV on the benches,one hot one said because it is early she would go for 80,000.It can be done,but for the most part i would say Short Term is 100,000.Hope this helps.
Damn I just posted this yesterday and I've got five inquires! So this is the deal so far Juan 50/50 chance on the penthouse, Juan Ventura said the owner might be in town on the 23rd, but he has a two bedroom so whatever happens 99.99% chance it is still on!
Guys the only thing I ask is this no drugs, no posting of pics unless you get the person's OK, and chip in and help a brother out with the cleaning the next day $5000 pesos should do it!
So far looks as if the party will be happening on the 23rd of april and maybe the 24th and 25th as well all depends on three things the size of the party and some logistic help from TOM 33, he has yet to accept his new mission, sorry to but you on the spot TOM 33, but the pressure in on dude!
As time passes I'll update everone who has PM me, and fill in the details as I find them out myself!
Guy
[QUOTE=Concarne]6 weeks to go for what should be the best mongering trip of my life to date based on what I have read, seen and previous experience in latino countries. I love SEA but speaking the language does go a looong way with the women.
LP or Tom 33...I am down for a big ass party in CTG when I am down there. A penthouse with bikini clad chicas sounds about right.[/QUOTE]
LP,
Is the party in April or Feburary? Your original post said 2/23 and your recent post says April. Are the thoughts of all those chicas clouding your mind. ;)
TD
TD[QUOTE=Latina Passion]Damn I just posted this yesterday and I've got five inquires! So this is the deal so far Juan 50/50 chance on the penthouse, Juan Ventura said the owner might be in town on the 23rd, but he has a two bedroom so whatever happens 99.99% chance it is still on!
Guys the only thing I ask is this no drugs, no posting of pics unless you get the person's OK, and chip in and help a brother out with the cleaning the next day $5000 pesos should do it!
So far looks as if the party will be happening on the 23rd of april and maybe the 24th and 25th as well all depends on three things the size of the party and some logistic help from TOM 33, he has yet to accept his new mission, sorry to but you on the spot TOM 33, but the pressure in on dude!
As time passes I'll update everone who has PM me, and fill in the details as I find them out myself!
Guy[/QUOTE]
i'm in, but my chica may be a little lame for that kind of party. fortunately, i do know a few others who may fill the bill better.
no one will get tln from ldv for 100k unless you scrape the dregs. i picked one out there and asked what she wanted for short time. she replied 200k. i thanked her and walked. last night a buddy and i found a couple on the street for 60k each and had a nice 4-person orgy.
it doesn't matter to me what anyone pays. it's your money.
tom wrote: "no one will get tln from ldv for 100k unless you scrape the dregs."
80k for allnighters at ldv was the norm, even considered generous, 2 years ago.
and people still try and deny how much all the internet exposure (and huge increase in number of sex tourists) has changed cartagena over the last few years. shaking head emoticon
add to that the fact that a dollar only buys 2200 pesos now, as opposed to 2,900 a couple years back, sales tax is now 16% and prices for everything are rising (taxis want 4k from laguito to boca grande!). ctg is no longer any type of bargain.
Well, all I know is my own experiences and the following is absolutely true- I was in Cartagena in October and December of '05 (even had a pizza at El Gringo Loco) for a total of 28 days and I had no problem pulling hot chicas from LDV or La Tripeliterra for 100-125 toda la noche. And from the photos I see on here posted regularly, in general, I would say that I'm probably more picky than most mongers.
I usually discuss price (if I don't know the gal) before the deed now, though, because the days of 80,000 toda la noche are apparently gone, but there are always exceptions if she likes you enough.
Now, Tiny brings up an important point- I am very patient and I quickly blow off the sharks who think that their cuca is made of gold. I have no problema saying, "Chao!" while I find that most uninformed mongers at the LDV for some reason get there sights set on one particular chica and they just cave.
The bottom line is that it is a buyer's market (maybe not like 3, 4, 5 years ago but it is still a buyer's market) and I can tell from conversing with the LDV chicas on my recent trips that they are not used to being rejected after quoting their ridiculous first or second offers.
I must admit that I especially enjoy sending away members of the "Medellin mafia" who have been conditioned by a hoard of newbies that simply because they are from Medellin, they are entitled to a higher price. It's so funny to me during negotiation when they exclaim, "Pero soy de MEDELLIN!" or "Soy una Paisa!"- like this is supposed to impress me. I usually retort with, "Entonces no te quiero porque las chicas de Medellion estan malas en la cama!" They usually go off in a huff after that which is fine by me (glad I weeded them out- go to Racer's table! Just pulling your chain, Racer!). :-)
On a side note, I met 3 chicas in the LDV who claimed they were Paisas who confided to me later that they were not, in fact, from Medellin or anywhere near it. They find this to be an effective way to demand more money. Incidentally, they were light-skinned girls from Bucaramanga, Monteria, and Barranquilla.
Hey, it is your money and there are many variables that play into what a chica wants to charge you. And let's face it, if you're not very appealing physically, don't take care of yourself, are not respectful of different cultures/to people in general, don't speak the language even marginally, well then... you're NOT a very good candidate for a discount! :-)
I hope everyone who visits Cartagena has good luck finding hot chicas at reasonable prices for a fun time. I've become pretty disillustioned with the P4P scene in Cartagena whether it be LDV, La Trip, the beach, or the casas. I envy people like Tom and Gringo Loco who don't have to bother with these institutions much any more. On my latest trip, I even flew in a non-pro from Popayan just because I wanted to try something different. I have to say it was a good investment in the end!
Hey Zippy ... Surfer ... etc ....
Really, those who know the Colombiana in general ... if she bonds with you, price becomes secondary ... matter of fact it'll be tough to get rid of her ... whether she's a pro or not.
Claro que si ... of course ... there's always the cold professional who bonds only with her wallet ... but like Zippy says ... "chao".
Obviously, the better spanish, the better in shape and the more charming you are, the easier to bond with a chica and make pricing secondary.
Unfortunately, I have none of these qualities ... so I'm also forced to Racer's table ... (just kidding amigo) ... hahaha.
my only talent is 3d year Spanish, and i never did the homework. I am normally obnoxious in personality, and 30 lbs overweight, plus at 50 I could look younger.
My best attribute is my wallet. I also enjoy dancing with the girls at LDV, even if they are whoors. At least there is some genuiness on the dance floor, and if they let you buy them a drink or dance with them you can usually have sex with them.
I should also add that most of my "mongering buddies" in Cartagena are over 50 and they do great there simply because they are very cool guys and the chicas feel very comfortable around them!
I totally agree with Zippy's post, and methods (although I am MUCH younger than his friends in CTG LOL!). I also agree with Ricker that once a Colombiana decides she likes you they can be hard tro shake. I REALLY seek a middle ground between ST tryst and lifelong soulmate, but it is hard as lots of encounters end up at one of these extremes.
The Paisa premium does not fly with me as I generally prefer darker chicas. This last trip I found an INCREDIBLE % of pros claiming they are from Pereira. At Pleyboy Club, which was the most fun place to hang out with pros I've found in CTG, 16 out of the 20+ girls claimed to be from Periera. I suspect it to be a sales ploy akin to the Medellin thing.
I do understand that deals can be found in Colombia, but I do not care about that. Before I get flamed for being the guy who runs up the prices in Colombia, try to consider a few things. When I am on vacation I expect to spend considerable amounts of money, that is why I work hard all year. I did not go to Colombia to "get a deal" I went there to have a new experience and to score as many hot chicas as possible. One thing I am not into is arguing over 20 bucks with some chick when I am drunk and wanting to have a good time.
I have to admit I have a hard time dealing with the balance of what they "should" get paid and what I am willing to pay. For me a $100 is nothing for a great night with a super hot chick, but I do understand the complaint that because of gingos like me prices are higher..
Do people really feel that Chicas will not take the lower prices "deal seeking" gringos offer and go home without any $$?
If the comments about the $$ I spent are trying to help me out I do not care, if they are to help keep prices down, I am not sure how valid that argument is?
I'm with TOM 33, who cares what a guy pays 100K 200K 300K if he reads the forum and feels a nedd to pay more then so be it, we did not help him make his money so who are we to tell him how to spend it! All I know is I'll get three times the bang for the same buck!
Surfer, disagree with you a little as far as rising prices go! I started coming to CTG mid 2004, price I paid for a room was $25 x two guys sharing a two bedroom. The price today is $37.50 for that same two bedroom!
Price of food the same, the price of Chicas has gone up for me 20%, price of buying a place, forget about it! For the miost part the prices have gone up with inflation and Bush's dumb ass! As far as the word getting out about Colombia, hell surfer could you really not tell someone about that perfect wave and how to find it? I for one love sharing and when it gets all fucked up, I'll move on or complain about all the gringos, hell I love a challenge
Now Ricker took the words right out of my mouth, money is secondary to me as long as they have a kick ass attritude and one hell of a personality!
My battle cry is DON'T PAY MORE THEN 100K! Now that i think about it I've paid a lot more then 100K for the simple fact that I love having a good time with a chica that has a kick ass attitude! so I'll buy a bottle for my target and her friends, drink, dance and laugh the night away!
And yes a good attitude and in decent shape goes as long as speaking spanish! All you have to do is flip it, do we want a chica out of shape and a f---ed up attitude? Hell No!
Zippy: Your right TOM 33 has it made, I much rather play with a good girl, and try to make her bad, because bad can be good and again I love a challenge!
I would have to agree with surfer here, Cartagena is not a great value, when compared with the rest of Columbia. It is the most expensive city due to the fact it is a large tourist spot. All the other cities I have stayed in there are much cheaper for lodging, chicas, and food.
Latina,i have no idea what your post is about? Are you saying you only pay a 100k?In the next breath you're saying you don't care and buying bottles for the chicas. Are you a newbie? I find once you start buying booze for these girls it never stops, also they always seem to have there girlfriends there to help drink it!My novia always wants to bring her friends,relatives etc. I finally had to tell her no more. Everytime they came to my house they would clean out my refrigerator, and burn through my phone minutes.
As far as 50+ fat guys dancing at LDV i'm not sure if this is really going to impress to many of the working girls! I like the girls to dance for me while I sit on my ass and watch.
I hope Columbia does not become another Costa rica or Rio. I do not think it will due to the fact that many cities are still dangerous.although recently I have seen gringo's talking about bachelor parties and large gringo parties.It is only a matter of time before someone get hurt, Columbia is safer than it used to be but it still ain't cancun.
Also,one last question,why due gringo's like to hang out in large groups? I try to avoid this at all costs. I prefer to hang with one other guy.I guess everyone has their own stlye. Just don't overpay!
Penthouse has been secured! Not sure how many of you guys are familiar with CTg but the building is on the same road as the Hilton across the street from where foregin affair has its apartments.
Rule number one and the only rule is NO DRUGS, I don't think any of us want to experience Jose in a colombian lock down! Any of you guys want to smoke a joint no problem here just not in the apartment, hell i might even join you!
Other then that guys lets just be a tad bit discreet with the camera, no posting of mongers, or chicas that just say no!
The menu is this ribs beans and bread! You want mas have at it!
Other then that BYOBBs Bring Your Own Bottle And Babes, and of course Poker is always an option! I love colombian poker, you just can't seem to lose to much money!
Any questions or comments and help would be greatly appreciated!
One last thing I aint cleaning up this mess, so depending on the number of guys a clean up fee will be collected I figuure around 60K to the clean up lady and that includes a nice tip to her, so that will be divided among the mongers!
Other then that lets get this party on and crackin, PM me for more details and your comments!
The point that I was trying to make is this> I have never paid directly over 100K at LDV, but after I calualate the drinks and what not it probably has gone well over 200K! Even with a pro trying to develope some type of relationship pays off in the end! Hell any of us can put 200K of the table and get the girl they want, to me thats no fun!
The pics I posted here both girls are pros, but the big tit chica was a gift to me on my second visit to CTG
When I was there 10 days ago I talked a gal down to 120K but I did not inquire if that was for LT or ST, did not close the deal because I had my Novia at the apartment!
To me part of the fun (challenge) is also trying to talk them down, or win them over!
For any guys that have been to Colombia more then a few times the real fun is bagging the non-pros IMHO!
And Racer, your right man your money did not mean to step on your toes seriously!
Hi All,
I just got into Cartagena last night, this is my first time here and I had a couple questions for the experienced members here. First, I´m staying at the Hotel Charlotte. Does anyone know if they are chica friendly? And if so is there an extra charge to take a girl up?
Also, reading through the posts here LDV seems to be a place I should check out. I´ve got the address of the Perla Casino so I should be able to find it ok but is this a brothel, or? Is there an on premises place to take the girls, or is it strickly take out? Any good ST hotels near LDV?
Last, I would really like to get a good massage. Happy ending would be nice, but second to the massage. Someone posted about Masajes Rocio, on Calle Benjamin Herrera. Anyone know how far this is from the Hotel Charlotte?
Thanks for the help. Usually I do better research before I visit a place, but due to circumstances I pretty much dropped the ball this time.
Happy Mongering!
Napalm
LDV is a bar/dance club where all of the ladies in the club are working girls. No onsite rooms for the naughty act. So you must take them back to your place, or go to a motel. They are going to ask 300, please luagh when you hear the number. Try not to pay more than 120 to 150 for a few hrs. Depends on the girl and how you get along with her. Some will stick to the high price, but don't give in, others can be had for less. Good luck and have fun.
I also got here last night.
I'm staying at Almirante Estelar which -is- chica friendly between 11pm-5am. It seems that she has to leave before 5am, however noone will stop her after that. May be you could face an extra charge, I didn't try.
This is not a cool Hotel. It's marketed as 5 stars, however it's hardly a 4-star hotel. The pool doesn't have sun. The prices inside the hotel are excesively high. The shower has no pressure and the hot water is not hot at all. Most people don't need hot water as this is a very warm place, however I do need it for shaving, and the lack of it bothers me.
I found street action in the avenue around the hotel.
I've been in Babar (COP10,000 cover non-consummible, COP8,000 for a beer). Didn't find anything good and no chica approached (BTW I'm not a troll). Had a long trip and was a little tired so I left Babar heading the Hotel.
Today I was with a non-pro in the beach. I met her in the hotel. Totally dissapointed. Waste of valuable time.
Tonight I'll stop by LDV, If anybody's gonna be there, let me know!
Tomorrow I'll face to the beach at Isla del Rosario. Same thing, if anybody is going, please PM!
I leave wed dec/22, so I only have 3 nights left. If anybody has planned action, please let me know. Also if anybody is in the same business as I am, it will be cool to know (easy to guess).
Bottom line: Please PM for party!!
Cheers!
The Charlotte is chica friendly. Don't know about extra charges.
You can't bang anyone at the LDV. Bring them back to the Charlotte. There are many love hotels along San Martin. The chicas will know them.
Dude Welcome To Colombia!
[QUOTE=Loquito]I also got here last night.
I'm staying at Almirante Estelar which -is- chica friendly between 11pm-5am. It seems that she has to leave before 5am, however noone will stop her after that. May be you could face an extra charge, I didn't try.
This is not a cool Hotel. It's marketed as 5 stars, however it's hardly a 4-star hotel. The pool doesn't have sun. The prices inside the hotel are excesively high. The shower has no pressure and the hot water is not hot at all. Most people don't need hot water as this is a very warm place, however I do need it for shaving, and the lack of it bothers me.
I found street action in the avenue around the hotel.
I've been in Babar (COP10,000 cover non-consummible, COP8,000 for a beer). Didn't find anything good and no chica approached (BTW I'm not a troll). Had a long trip and was a little tired so I left Babar heading the Hotel.
Today I was with a non-pro in the beach. I met her in the hotel. Totally dissapointed. Waste of valuable time.
Tonight I'll stop by LDV, If anybody's gonna be there, let me know!
Tomorrow I'll face to the beach at Isla del Rosario. Same thing, if anybody is going, please PM!
I leave wed dec/22, so I only have 3 nights left. If anybody has planned action, please let me know. Also if anybody is in the same business as I am, it will be cool to know (easy to guess).
Bottom line: Please PM for party!!
Cheers![/QUOTE]
I stayed at the Almirante for a week last year and also dealt with the '5 am rule' that they have. I didn't mind it with pros since I'm always ST with them anyway. But later in the stay I had a steadier girl and it was more of a problem. But if you have a clingy girl it makes a good excuse to get her out of the room. All in all this place is a VERY qualified girl friendly. Most of these high-end hotels get more family business so I guess they don't want a parade of working girls.
I was lucky not to have any hot water or pressure problems while I was there. But you're right that the Almirante oversells itself. I would give it a 4-star if in a generous mood. The breakfast was pretty good and I liked the gym there. True, the pool doesn't get much sun. That's why they have a sun deck on a higher floor. Also, the place really needs a night life venue. The top floor disco was closed when I was there and otherwise the hotel is a morgue at night.
As reported here mongers are best advised to stay in the serviced apartments. Hotels are for families and couples.
I cannot read anymore reports from guys going to La Dolca Vida. I have been here for 3 weeks and it is my 3rd trip. The girls at the Vida ask to start from 150, 000 t0 250, 000. Anway it dosent matter. I have paid no more than 100, 000 and no less than 60, 000. The hottest of the hotties may not bend and I rate only 5 or 6 that high. The 7 to 9's will blink if you stand tall and hold to the 60 to 100 range. Any of the normal girls with big asses are not worth over 50, 000. Friday and Saturday nights are the only nights prices hold longer. Weekdays are definetely for the bargain shopper. I hate to see guys paying too much cause if ruins it for all others. Come on you guys. Stop excusing you weakness to pay so much with phoney reasons. Pay what they are worth no more. A ususally stand at 70, 000 max and I don't move. Remember there are 50 more girls standing right there. Stop being selfish and running up costs. Bottom line. If you pay more. You are a fool or you have too much money and you care about no one but yourself.
[QUOTE=Loumann]I cannot read anymore reports from guys going to La Dolca Vida. I have been here for 3 weeks and it is my 3rd trip. The girls at the Vida ask to start from 150, 000 t0 250, 000. Anway it dosent matter. I have paid no more than 100, 000 and no less than 60, 000. The hottest of the hotties may not bend and I rate only 5 or 6 that high. The 7 to 9's will blink if you stand tall and hold to the 60 to 100 range. Any of the normal girls with big asses are not worth over 50, 000. Friday and Saturday nights are the only nights prices hold longer. Weekdays are definetely for the bargain shopper. I hate to see guys paying too much cause if ruins it for all others. Come on you guys. Stop excusing you weakness to pay so much with phoney reasons. Pay what they are worth no more. A ususally stand at 70, 000 max and I don't move. Remember there are 50 more girls standing right there. Stop being selfish and running up costs. Bottom line. If you pay more. You are a fool or you have too much money and you care about no one but yourself.[/QUOTE]
Well said.. So true, most guys are fools, rmemeber: Chica is a pro- Her Job is to milk as much money out of you as possible......
This is not only my first real life report; it’s also my first experience in this business. A few hours ago, a zero experience became a 1 out of probably a thousand. I’m ok since I know I had to pay for that first point. Read on.
As I mentioned previously, the first night I went to Babar and found no action. The second night I studied the posts on the forum and slept. The third night I went to LDV with a friend.
We got to LDV at midnight. We are nice young guys and two nice chicas approached and started dancing in front of us expecting any kind of response, however they did not talk to us at all. We did not give them any response, we even changed the sight when they looked at us. We were just starting to understand the place.
LDV has no cover to enter and no charge for exiting with a girl. You have to buy a drink for you and if you want to dance or chat with a girl, she will ask you to buy her another drink. The prices are not as expensive as one would expect for a place like this.
From about 40 girls, the two dancing in front of us could be considered 3rd and 4th. We were having a nice time looking at them and around. After somebody picked them up, we left LDV heading to Tu Candela.
Tu Candela is a nice place. There is a cover but if you insist you are going to buy a lot of drinks or a scotch bottle, the cover could be avoided. Probably 80% of the girls are working. The rest are non-pros having fun and some of them will end with someone in their bed for free.
Tu Candela closes at 4AM so we left towards Giro Matto. All pros. Most of them finished STs and were looking for another guy for TLN. Had another bottle of scotch which costs COP260k (about US$115). FYI prices are presented in a blackboard after you cross the door. There is a COP10k cover for entering the place, however as in Tu Candela, it can be avoided if you say you are going to have a Buchannan’s bottle (scotch). The Sun appeared at 6AM and we went back to the hotel.
Having an understanding of the places and how they work, we headed again towards LDV. Got there on Tuesday midnight. There were some interesting girls and I found one of the two girls that danced for us the night before. Her name is A. She is a nice and very thin girl. She doesn’t have much boobs but really knows how to break her cintura.
Lesson learned I said Hola and picked her to our table. She asked for Vodka with Jugo de Naranja (orange juice). They have an agreement with LDV’s owner. They have a discounted price for the drinks they pay (no more than two or three per night) and they should ask for a drink to the guy if they are dancing or chatting with someone. She danced hot but didn’t tease a lot; yet.
Her “best” friend L showed up. Nice boobs and very good ass. Also very thin. Dressed very sexy with a top and jeans. The temptation was rising, there was money in my pocket and that was my last night in CTG; so I also invited a drink to L and asked both girls if they like to share everything they have. It was until I took them as bread for my sandwich that they understood what my intentions were.
Tip. The girls asked me three times to take them to Tu Candela. They die to go there but are not allowed to enter alone. You have to take them in. It’s almost guaranteed that you would have a lot of fun because they will be there with you and for you. Even more if they know you are going to leave the place with them for some –paid– action.
I knew that that was the best option; however I took the faster way and told them I didn’t want to go to TC but to the hotel, with them. They asked COP400k and took me about 5 minutes to get them down to COP350k for at least until 5AM (due to my hotel restrictions). After I made my intentions as clear as Isla del Rosario’s water, they started dancing a lot hotter. Touched and teased me all the way long. That was one of the best parts of the night.
Okay. Here is the deal I missed. If after starting the price conversation and getting them to 350 I’d took them to Tu Candela or Babar, I’m sure I would be going to get both of them for 300k or less and I’m sure I would have enjoyed a very interesting night with those nice girls hot-dancing for me for about 2 hours.
None of that happened. I was ok with 350k for the 3rd and 4th nicer girls of the place, going out together. BTW, a friend asked the starting price for the 1st and 2nd choice (BBWs) and it was COP500k each for ST. Laughed a lot and asked if that was until we leave and included the ride to the airport. Some gringos paid US$100 in front for worst girls without any kind of negotiation. The girls have negotiating power when inside LDV. I went out of the place with A and L.
We took a cab to the Almirante and I took the opportunity to state rule #1, no smoking. The girls went directly to the front-desk to “check-in”. There were a total of 9 hotel employees witnessing. The only one lady at the front-desk asked for their IDs, filled some spaces in a previously well-populated list, and we all signed.
For the faces of the security guys and the bell boys, it’s probably not common to see one guy with two girls. There was not an extra charge for coming up with the girls (a friend found out that the Santa Teresa charges US$40 just for one). On the light, A turned to be a butterface (not so much, but below my excessively picky expectations) and L turned to be an 8.
First mistake of the night. A opened the fridge and took out a bottle of Vodka (worth US$22). She asked permission and opened it along with two juices. She made a mess out of the juices and started with the drinks. When L was at the bathroom A asked for a Joint which I don’t like and BTW it violates rule #1. My list increased and I added rule #2, no drugs at all.
A and L started stripping, asked for the deposit and started a fair to good show. DATY both ways, DFK both ways, touched a lot, DT, DP, etc. Came to “papi” and started the action. BBBJ with both of them fighting for my dick. A participated a lot. I did some DP to her but ultimately I did not penetrate A. In the other hand, I had two cups of coffee with L with A’s help. Lot of positions, lot of touching, lot of tongues, lot of noise and lot of hands. BTW they didn’t want to switch the penetration job without changing the cover.
The first mistake made effect. Just before the finishing second coffe, A got hippo. The “unintelligent” (word synonym for stupid) girl took more vodka to see if it passes. Five minutes later she was completely drunk. I finished covered inside L. A wanted to go home, L wanted to take care of her. I had rest for probably other one or two shots; however I agreed and recognized my brainless fault. A was too drunk. After all, there was a good show, good stuff, good f**king, etc. We headed to Giro Matto. I left them there and went alone to TC. My friends were there but there could also be some female civilian friends. The civilians weren’t there so at 4AM we faced to Giro Matto.
L was there and told me that she put A in a cab and sent her home. Two minutes later she left in a cab with another guy she was talking to when I entered GM. Again I should have gone with the chicas to TC instead of leaving them at GM and that would have been of extra already-paid fun. It wasn’t possible, just too risky. That episode closed the night for me since I didn’t want to start again with another girl.
OVERALL EXPERIENCE
Overall it was a great night. I learned a lot and I hope to help somebody else with this stuff. L was great and A did her best while sober. Here is a summary. What? You’ve read everything? Sorry I didn’t tell you before that I was going to summarize my humble findings!!
My next time at CTG:
GIRLS AT LDV:
- Take the chica I like. Say Hola, grab her hand and take the chica to my table.
- Make it clear that I want to finish the night in bed with her (or them). Talk about price, try to talk her down, but don’t close the deal. Also avoid saying a target number. State I’m very interested but that the price is still high.
- Invite her/them to leave LDV towards Tu Candela, Babar or any other regular bar.
- Enjoy as much as possible. Enjoy a little more.
- Conclude negotiations for TLN and go to my place. Probably an apartment as recommended in the forum. Clearly specify what TLN means and what I expect. Get an agreement on that.
- Keep enjoying and have at least 3 to 4 coffees.
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT (for me):
#1. No smoking
#2. No drugs (I don’t even want them to ask or show anything)
#3. No alcohol at the hotel (means they can’t open it or control it at all, if there’s something, I’ll control how much they drink).
THIS IS FOR THOSE SO MUCH EXPERIENCED MONGERS:
- Please provide suggestions and enlighten me on what I did wrong and I didn’t notice. Help, feedback and corrections will be much appreciated.
- Okay, as I said I have negotiated and got almost the best girls in the place. Even thou next time I’ll negotiate a lot more. Please don’t complain about this. I’m a hell of a picky guy and it was my 1st time.
- Question: do I have to make the deposit before or after the service is provided? That would give me a little more control on the situation.
Hope you enjoyed the story and thanks for reading!
I get chuckle out of guys telling others not to overpay. The people who need this advice won't listen anyway. There will always be higher and lower prices. I have lived here for three years and have not seen much inflation. LDV is the high-priced place. Take a walk around the building or down San Martin. You will find many sweeties who are happy with 60K for ST-just like they were three years ago.
Note: I am not an expert on LDV. I simply don't go there much anymore even though I live two blocks away.
By the way LDV is La Dolce Vita(Italian).
Tom,
What is San Martin? Is it a road near LDV? I thought the main road through Boca Grande was Calle 2. I am heading back there Thursday and would hate to think that there is something I missed! :>)
welcome to the hobby.
Thanks for the honest report.
Thing is, you did overpay a wee bit.
"The girls have negotiating power when inside LDV. "
No, they don't - you can go home and have a wank. They on the other hand have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc etc.
Its a rough estimate but a price closer to average is about 30% of what you will be asked straight up. Remember there's no code of ethics here, they wanna charge you 3x they will, they just need to find out if you're dumb enough to pay, so they'll have to speak to you, find out where you're from, how many times you been to ctg, (kerr-ching) are you a friendly (kerr-ching) guy. Awww. You thought they wanted to know all about you because of your sparkling personality?
Sounds like you had fun with the hooch, something I don't indulge in too much 'cos it kinda blunts me for the performance afterwards, which is the real reason I go to those places at all. Additionally I can't help feeling that a drunk gringo is muuuuch easier target for the local footpads than a sober guy, as I travel alone a lot. (out of choice, I can't bear those braying stag-party groups of gringo's)
Back to LDV - don't be fooled by them strutting their stuff on the dance floor, they're prostitutes and we fuck them, 'nuff said, they have no "power" on their own, every man should decide what he thinks they're worth, they know the average dumb-ass gringo will pay $100 dollar and will start out with that figure if they think you'll pay.
If you're green as grass you probably will, and compared with the $300 dollars you may drop at some US strip joint you'll be pretty proud of yourself, but its just not the local rate.
Example behaviour: I took a tart from la tripleterra - she quoted 80k short time - what I notice is that tarts can tell when its your first time, although its often the first question they ask, not because they're interested, but because it helps them set an asking price.
"First time in Colombia, well, Meester, fucky fucky is $100 dollars. Una horas. " And as long as you STAY and argue the point they'll hold the line.
The minute you walk away the price halves. Oh. Power gone has it sweetie?
Anyway back to the tart - I insisted on 80k having done my research here and on other boards, she knew somehow that it was my first ctg experience, and she changed to 100k after I got her in my bedroom. Well 20 is fuck all, so in order to keep the peace I agreed. What happened? she jabbered spanish, claimed a misunderstanding and the price went up to 200k - anyway - that tore it. I'm in my smalls and she's down to bra and panties, but I'm not putting up with that. "hasta la vista baby. " I grab her stuff, open the door and motion her out.
Guess what? She takes it like a pro: -), she immediately finds some English words and says, no problem 100 ok, no problem.
Well its all part of the game (like asking for a better rate at car hire place). So I look at her serious and repeat 100, no problem? No problem is her response so we get it on.
She was actually quite good, splendid 19yr old body, big firm titties and didn't do too much fake screaming. I shot my load, which is what I wanted. OK - I didn't fall in love (god forbit with one of those). Its physical man. If I wanted a relationship I'd join dateline or similar.
Still with a bit of luck I can get back to CTG March or April. Til then.
Anyway hope you liked the introduction to the hobby, and like a lot of things experience will make it better!
is the main road through Boca Grande. It runs one-way from Centro to Laguito. Carrera 2 and San Martin are the same street. It is common for streets to have two names.
On a good night there are a few 9's and 10's that can command the prices. I have laughed at them them and walked away. Did I really save? I found another girl that was a 7 or 8 for 100,000 COP. I could have had the 9 or 10 for 150,000. Heres another stradegy I have used for the 9's and 10's: I did'nt discuss money. I brought them back to the apartment, fucked them twice or all night. When it was time for them to leave, I handed them 100,000 COP. They either argued or said "porque poco dinero"? What can they do then? I'm in charge. I already cranked out my loads. Heres a bad stradegy: You see a 9 or 10 chica and offer her 100,000 COP in LDV. Its a slow night and she's skeptical but decide to leave with you by 3am. You are drunk and horny. Finally, you make it back to your apartment in Laguito. She's very serious and not much fun. She refuses bbbj and starts blowing your cock with a condom. Finally, in your drunkin stupor you manage to get hard. She rides your cock for a few minutes. You think to yourself "I think it feels good". Then you cum inside the condom. She showers and gets dressed really quick. You hand over your 100,000 COP to her and she leaves with that serious look on her face. You're laying in the bed with your drunkin stupor. You are thinking about that 7 or 8 chica the night before. For 80,000 COP she had her tounge up your asshole for 20 minutes and let you cum in her mouth with no condom. She was fun. She did'nt rush. You got hard again and fucked her again and again. You fucked her so good that she is tired and decides to stay the whole night. You wake up with a rock hard errection. You start pressing it in to her ass while she is sleeping. You wake her up and start fucking her. You fuck her long and hard. It takes you a long time to cum but when you do, you let out a big growl. Finally, its 11am and she has to go. You give her 80,000 pesos and a long kiss goodbye. Thats how LDV works.
Brubaker, very funny :D - it sounds like you've got the whole thing down to a system! I love it!
How about this one - happened to me with a LDV girl. We agree on 150,000 col pesos, go back to my hotel do an all-nighter, very gfe, multiple loads incl bbbjcim - we shower in the morning and get dressed. I even invite her to breakfast (my Spanish is %80 and I like "rapping" with girls, hearing about their life and such, blah blah blah)
I hand her 3 crisp 50,000 pesos bills by the bed and she smiles. BUT when I turn my back she palms one of the bills, slips it in her pocket and replaces it with a 5,000 peso bill (they look very similar)
She then puts on this big "sour milk" face and announces "oh, oh" "Senor Ford , you make a mistake with the money!" She shows her hands and I see the two crisp 50,000 peso bills that I gave her and one half-folded 5,000 peso bill on the bottom.
"What, the FU**!" "I didn't give you that!" "OH, yes senor you did, its a common mistake that Americans make because the bills look so similar" "I'll just take that other 50,000 peso bill that you promised me now"
Argue, argue, argue -she even said she would call the police on me. (I would absolutely love to have seen that police report! :D) I said "go ahead, here's the phone, call the police!"
Needless to say NO breakfast and I never saw her again. (Stupid too on her part, because I would have taken her again)
I wonder how many times she pulled that one - but I mean a real great Shakespearean acting job. (....."I would just like to thank the academy") ;)
cheers,
FORD
Right on the money Senor Brubaker ... nothing worse than a chica who thinks her shit doesn't stink ... always take the sweet chica.
Rule numero uno ... 1 ... if a chica is not showing you the love in the bar or wherever you meet her ... she'll be at least 100 times colder once you get to the room. Walk away and find another ... she won't be worth it.
Ford ... yep, I've met a few swindler types too ... nice job getting rid of her though.
Suerte amigos!
Here is a hottie I found at LDV for 150K. She said that she usually charges 200K, but for me, only 150K. Did not try going lower, since this was the best I could find there. Was it worth it, DEFINATELY, she did everything I asked for and in no hurry. (well, except take naked pictures or her.)
When I was there, there were more 6-7s than anything else. I got there around 12 and left at 2: 30. There was another hot blond with a tight little body in a white outfit, but some guy beat me to her. Oh well.
Carolina (fake name) is about 5' 8", tight body, great personality. And she is from Medellin.
One thing I do to get a guage on how well a session will go, is ask to see the girl's cedula. If she likes you and trusts you, she will show you. You can also verify her age and name this way.
Got this girl from Tony the Tout. She is from Periera and 19 y. O. She has a nice little body and package down there. Had fun with her. Not in a hurry, even watched some TV afterwords for awhile.
She said that she just got there 15 days ago with her cousin Caroline who is also pretty hot. Seemed pretty new to the biz, did not even know about LDV.
They asked for 100K, of which 15K went to Tony the Tout. The funny thing is that after the girls each gave Tony 15K, he came up to my friend and I asking for another 15K from each of us. I told him he was nuts and just left. He kept trying and whining that he needs more. Dadada. Just kept whining, but we did not give in.
This is "Valentina", a Paisa that I met in LDV. By far, the most beautiful Colombiana that I had on my trip. She looked very beautiful in and out of clothes.
She was 150K for a few hours. She was super sweet and the love making was GFE all the way. I tried to call her the next day and it was totally different. She was all business. In LDV the other nights that I saw her, she was 100% business (getting the new gringo's at 150K or more). I never repeated with her, though I would have liked to.
I threw away all the contact info on all the chicas I saw. You can see here in LDV if she is not in Medellin.
Enjoy the photos,
$Bill
ps - she said that her friend was an ex-novia of Aussie Greg's. I wonder how many ex-novias Greg has running around Colombia! ;-)
Here are some photos of the first girl that I pulled out of LDV. She was really skinny and was pretty nice. She only wanted 100K for a couple of hours, so I thought what the hell.
No face pictures though and contact details were lost.
Enjoy
$Bill
I got this girl on my second night in CTG. I don't remember her name but in that red dress of her's, she hooked me. She had beautiful legs. Her face was not all that nice, but she made up for it with energy and fun once inside the room. I think that she charged me about $120k for a few hours. She was going to spend all night with me, but she wanted some extra money and I decided to sleep instead.
She was very cool, and even though I DO NOT like tattoo's or body piercing, she was probably amoung my favorites because of her attitude.
Enjoy - 3 parts to the photos.
$Bill
More photos from girl #2 that I just posted.
$Bill
final group of photos of girl #2 that I just posted.
$Bill
This one had a beautiful looking crotch area in her jeans. (you will see what I mean in the photos to follow).
Don't remember her too much but she was nice and the sex was ok. She was a little "professional" in the room though.
I think I had to pay about 150K for her, but I liked her body and it was close to the end of my trip, so I figured "what the hell".
Don't have contact info on her. You can find her at LDV though, I am sure.
Enjoy!
$Bill
I saw this one on different nights at LDV standing near the door as you come in. She looked better in lower light.
She agreed on $120K for ST in my room. Sex was ok, but she was kind of boring in the personality department.
Again, I don't have contact info for her, but I am sure you can probably find her in LDV most nights (but I would not bother with her, better action with others).
$Bill
ps - photos are non nudes. See what I mean!!! Why bother???
Theres a lot of Valentinas in LDV...lol. Yours is is exactly what I like. Heres a useless stradegy that I use in LDV when the snobby ones give me a hard time; after they turn down my offers and I see them later sitting with a real old, ugly dude, I wait for them to get up to go to the restroom. I throw crazy prices at them like 300,000 or 500,000 and then walk away. They get all excited and don'tknow what do. Useless, but fun :)
Dollar Bill - very nice, very nice, very nice!!
Thank you for sharing mate, you've definitely "bagged" some serious hotties!
thanks...........:)
My first post on ISG.
I will soon make my first foray into Colombia - before hitting Bogota, Medellin and Cali in late April. (Let me not watch any more re-runs of Clear and Present Danger on Spike TV / TNT)
I'm staying in a 2BR apartment in Laguito area. Open to hooking up if anyone is game to go prowling. Want to thank everyone for posting good advice and info. Though I will say I first heard the CTG echo on another board a while back.
I think I've only ever 'met' one Colombiana (Calena?) and that was in Buenos Aires while eating breakfast. She was seated next to me with her hubby/boyfriend. Super fine. And I had recently come from Rio. Aie! That one sighting put the Colombia bug in me.
I don't expect them all to look like she did, but nevertheless.
Let me hope this trip will purge the need for Latin Love out of my system for a long time because I have a feeling I'm headed to Eastern Europe later this year.
Traveled all over the globe (Some 'dry', some 'wet'). early 30s. Know enough basic Spanish to survive I hope - (And negotiate prices!) My favorite phrase is cuesta demasiado (sp?) Serious conversation - no.
I'm behind on my Pimsleur lessons!
[QUOTE=Ford]Dollar Bill - very nice, very nice, very nice!
Thank you for sharing mate, you've definitely "bagged" some serious hotties!
Thanks. : )[/QUOTE]I second that nice reporting and good shots but I am very saddend. Why are you paying those prices! You are paying Tijuana/Adelita prices and that is a border town with the USA, where there is always action and US dollars! Being way down in South America you should not be paying a rate like that. The market is getting ruined! Not trying to offend you in any way dollar man. You should be paying from 25K to 50K CBP. Just my 2 cents!
In the casas, you might get away paying 25K - 50K. If you head to the streets, you will be paying 80K unless you want a fat nasty hole to fuck... but that ain't what I am looking for.
I like pretty girls. If I have to pay more to get the girl I want, well so be it. If I want to fuck a nasty ***** for next to nothing, I would stay in Mexico and fuck the truckstop whales. Why spend $800US for an airline ticket and then not fuck what you went there to fuck?
No offense to you, but how much experience have you had in Colombia besides reading the boards? Have you actually gotten anything decent for the prices you are quoting? Do you have a photo so we can see your taste in women (dogs)?
It won't be long before $100usd will become standard in LDV. With the influx of mongers in Cartagena, it is inevitable. Theres no use blaming one guy. If its a busy night, that 9 or 10 chica will have plenty of other guys willing to pay what they want. You can walk away all you want. Unless we can gather all these guys into one place and give them a lecture about economics and explain that if you keep paying 150k, the standard price will soon be 200k, then fuck it. Its true that some guys at times fuck the 9 and 10 chicas for 50k-80k but they might have happened to catch them during the low seasson or live in Cartagena. Also, if the girl is new and is'nt part of any of the clicks in LDV, you may also get a good deal. I missed out on some good pussy in LDV because I did'nt want to pay 150k. Now, that i'm sitting at home with my dick in my hand, I wish I did :)
"You should be paying from 25K to 50K CBP."
This is BS. You won't get any pro of any quality nowadays for these prices in Cartagena. You can probably get some sickly chicas de la calle in el Alto Bosque, but that's about it.
I have been visiting Colombia for 7 years now, most of the time going to CTG. First visit to LDV was when it was located by Sofitel Santa Clara. LDV is the "Blue Marlin" of CTG. It has the best pros with the highest prices. It has been a couple of years since I have gone there and maybe 3 years since I paid for a chica from LDV. She cost me 60K for TLN, but it was her first night there and I got to her before the other chicas did :-) She wanted 100K.
But since Tom 33 has been living there, I would think that he knows the prices. Since he says 60k for short time that would be your bottom price for something half-way decent.
Has anyone been to Tripleterra lately? I seem to have a lot more fun there then at LDV and usually it the same chicas.
[QUOTE=Uncazadorez]I second that nice reporting and good shots but I am very saddend. Why are you paying those prices! You should be paying from 25K to 50K CBP. Just my 2 cents![/QUOTE]
WTF ?
For 25k to 50k you can have your choice of old, disease ridden, busted, toothless, scallywags, similar to what you could find on any crack infested street corner in Los Angeles. If the stetch from her rotten pussy doesnt kill you, the radioactive crabs taking permanent residency in her crotch will.
[QUOTE=Zippy]"You should be paying from 25K to 50K CBP."
This is BS. You won't get any pro of any quality nowadays for these prices in Cartagena. You can probably get some sickly chicas de la calle in el Alto Bosque, but that's about it.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly my point. Guys have been paying sky rocket prices and in resulting the prices have been upped tremendously. Granted I have only been to Colombia twice once in Medellin and once in Bogota. When I was there 8 years ago you would bag a 10++ easy for the prices I have quoted. I have longed to go back since I divorced my colombian wife and this year is my year. I shall be mongering in those neck of the woods again. I am by no way on a 10 dollar budget guy when I go. But guys need to realize you are paying these broads salarys of heart surgeons for crying outloud. In respects to the Mexico commments. Thank god there is a standard and all the guys follow it. Granted you have several guys that get excited and just give/blow there money away. But the norm is 60 us dollars for a hour at Adelitas club in TJ. I know sometimes they try to rush you but the chicks are not at all nasty like you mentioned. They are on fire hott! The nasty ones charge from 10 to 20 us dollars and those are the SW at Cauhilla. The volume TJ gets is crazy since it is a border town with Cali, and the prices still are very stable. All I am trying to say is there is a cause and affect due to you over paying. We all sufffer! These are hardened pros that will play you and give you GFE to just take what you got. Its like saying your starving and you go to a grocery store in Medellin and want to buy a loaf of bread. Then they quote you 25 U. S for it and say thats the going rate because all the gringos have been doing it with not a problem. Its not right! Remember you got the U. S dollars that they want. Use that edge and if they don't budge there is plenty more chicks that will. Don't be desperate pussys! The ending result is in the long run. Everyone will benefit.
Bill, there are defintely multiple "Valentinas" at LDV. The girl that I spoke of in my report was a different girl. I've attached a pic of her, she is the one on the right. Sorry guys not a nude..
Lots of Valentinas in LDV. That Valentina I know very well.
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I have not been there lately. But a guy who was visiting a couple of weeks ago went there several times and liked it better than LDV.
What is a CBP? I use COPs. You can get nice stuff for 50K if you negotiate hard. I usually pay 60. You can find an occasional stray that is nice for 40K. I don't really want anything for less. I will confess to getting one in Centro for 30K last fall. She was not the best-early 30s, heavy make-up. Guess I just wanted to see if I could get one for 30.
If you wanted to take several armed bodyguards along, you may be able to score cheaper stuff in Getsemani late at night or in some of the poorer barrios. Hunting by taxi is an option.
Play earth: I will be in CTG at the end of March and in April. I speak fluent spanish. If you wish we can meet and hang at a couple of places while we get our bearings. Send me a note.
Re Uncazadores: I do not understand why people are giving this guy shit. If that is the price he is paying that is what he is paying. For all we know he is a sharp dresser, has a washboard stomach or just has the right vibe with the colombianas. Just because some of you do not think you could score something decent for the $ he quotes does not mean he cannot...and yes your scale may be different...his could be set to a lower or higher standard.
I remember after I visited the DR and posted (another site) that I had gotten some sweet Haitian and Dominican flesh for $20 TLN people started being skeptical and questioning it. All I could say is that speaking spanish is huge, being nice, dressing a certain way helps and not being too ugly is a plus.
This is all part of the sport. I have no doubt that on occassion punter X will pay more for the same pussy than I will. At other times I will pay less than punter Y.
Take the info and factor it in on your game folks. Hell, if all I keep on hearing is that I have to pay 150000 for chicas than my frame of mind will stay around that benchmark. And I have seen pics of some of the girls people have paid 150K or more and I just would have not gone there but I allow that being on the field is a hell of a lot different than just looking at a pic. Personality counts both for the punter and the chica!
All I have to say is thank you to everyone who is posting info. Just keep it real and we all will be fine.
Thanks!
Racer07,
I just scrolled back to read your report. I have fucked Valentina many times for 60,000-90,000 pesos all night. I even got bareback service from her for that price. It will be interesting to see how she behaves next time I see her after you guys pay her a $100usd.
Valentina gives a great bbbjtc. After I came in her mouth I remained hard and fuck her long and hard. Finally, I ejaculated in her. She said she was taking birth control.
The other 2 girls were found on the beach passing through Cartagena. I fucked one while the other licked my ass. Then I fucked the other while the other licked my ass. There was no discussion of money but I gave them a 150k to split between the 2 of them.
So far, everybody is only talking about prices on her. We need to talk more about the service and quality of sex. I'm interested in the girls that give bareback blow and lick ass.
I posted a lot of different photos of chicas in the Cali, Medellin, Medellin Mansion, Cartagena, and even Panama sections.
Every girl I had did BBBJ with 1 (Olga from the Mansion) even finishing me off with a BBBJCIM.
Most of the time, I had more than 1 hour with the girl (average was 2-3). If you break it down by hour, then $100-150K is not really that bad. If I was getting a quickie for $150K, then yes, I would have felt like I had been really "fucked."
I understand the comments about the market. The really beautiful girls are going to go home with someone that will pay their price. I did laugh and walk away from a couple that were asking for 200K. They ended up getting someone else that did pay their price.
If I want to wait until closing and try to get the best looking of the group that is still there (ugly ones), or has returned to try to get a second customer, then yes, I would not pay their price but mine. I prefer be the first customer of the night with the chica, not the second or third. Granted, I don't know who the chicas had been with earlier in the day, but I still rather keep the perception in my mind that I was the first of the day for them. It makes going down on them a little more pleasant.
$Bill
ps - quality of sex was great with all the Colombianas I was with. That is why I take a 4-5 hour flight. Never really been disappointed by Colombia!
As I wrote in an earlier detailed travel report about Cartagena, on my first trip to CTG and to Colombia, actually, back in November 2005, I found some freelancers that were willing to do ST for COP 40,000, including one that was young, slim, pretty, with good attitude, and a hammer in the sack. I also remember a girl in the Laguito area that frequented the El Caribe casino and LDV who offered me ST for COP 50,000 very late one night (didn´t take her up on her offer, though, unfortunately). So yes, COP 40,000 to 50,000 is definitely still a possibility these days. How common is it? I really do not know.
This board is for the exchange of information between mongers on the issue of sex with women. As such, I appreciate ANY kind of information on the issue, in any price range, whether this information is actually useful for me personally or not. Recently, there was a guy in the Sao Paulo, Brazil section (Ghengis Khan), who wrote a series of high-roller reports where he would spend up to 500 bucks TLN for a girl, for example (and one grand per day budgets). Since I am sort of a low roller, I seriously doubt that this information will ever be of practical value to me, even if I ever win the lottery... or 99.99% of other mongers here, as a matter of fact. Still, it offers me fascinating insights into the high-end side of the business (or hobby) I am entirely unfamiliar with, and as such, I am very happy to read those stories.
Let´s face it guys: when it comes down to P4P, we all have different tastes, different priorities and, also very importantly, different budgets and different time frames. Somebody´s 9 is the next guy´s 7. For some mongers, beauty/looks are paramount. Let´s take Dollar Bill, for example, of whom I am pleased to say that I had the chance to personally monger with and call a great friend. DB goes after the prettiest girl, while for me, actual chemistry and communication with the girls is more important. DB likes the 2 to 3 hour option, I am a ST guy. Is one better or smarter than the other? No, we´re just different. Some guys rack in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, while others live and travel much more modestly. Needless to say, the price range for someone like me, who likes to spend months in a country and for whom mongering usually is NOT the prime reason to travel, is very different from someone that has been waiting for two years to fly down to Colombia for 5 days just to monger and has wads of cash to throw around for a once-in-a-lifetime experience. And all of us different types of mongers require different types of information.
And that´s what we´re here for, right? To provide information that might help the next guy. Does this mean it has to help all other guys? No, it doesn´t. It can´t possibly, because we are all just too different for that.
It all comes down to one thing here: QUALITY information. So if Uncazadores states "You should be paying from 25K to 50K CBP", my question would be this: when did you pay that much, where, how long, how many pops, how were the looks (in your subjective book, of course), how was the performance (in your subjective assessment), and the overall attitude? Got any pictures to show, so others can check the looks themselves? Now that would help the next guy!
But bickering a la "your cheap hoes are uglier than mine" is really pretty silly and pointless, because it contains nothing of value to anyone. It only serves to justify one guy´s personal preferences/financial means over another´s. It´s like saying "I am smarter than you financially AND have better taste in women". I really fail to see any value in that.
On a final note: most of the reports on this board are always about the same handfull of gringo-frequented joints, and that´s why these pricing issues always surface every few months or so (because everybody has been there and paid different rates). My rationale for seeking to get away from these places is generally to get more of a local flavor (after all, mongers are not all entirely foreign, and if I travel to a foreign country, I actually try to get away from other foreigners) and to report on some places that have not yet been extensively covered here ad nauseam, to provide more comprehensive options for my fellow mongers. Now, if someone doesn´t wanna go to the same places, cool with me! You say potato, I say potatoe!!
Remember, guys: ultimately, it all comes down to YOUR best bang for YOUR buck. Whatever YOUR best bang or YOUR best buck may be. And there´s no one that knows that better than YOU. So read the board, remember what´s useful for you to get what you want, remember what´s useful for you to avoid what you don´t want, and discard the rest. And report your experiences here.
OK, my 2,000 Colombian Pesos on this issue (sorry, 2 cents really would have been too cheap at the current exchange rate :-).
EA
Okay guys,
If one of you has the contact info for the Valentina in $Bills post would you please PM me with it. I had her in MDE and would like to see her at my bachelor party in April.
Thanks Sparky
If you see her in LDV, please try to get her phone number and then send it to SparkChaser. Tell her you are trying to help out a friend get in touch with her.
I am sure that Sparky would treat you to a beer for your good deed if you guys ever cross paths.
Thanks,
$Bill
ps - picture is a repost.
get her phone number for me 2, she's a princess, id tap dat ass real good.
In Cartagena right now.
LDV is still going strong. The talent of girls is still nice, though not quite what it was when I visited this time last year. Drink prices have not changed but the girls ask more now.
I went looking for less expensive options last night. And out of blind luck, I found a girl who was hotter than any of the ones in LDV. Read on.
Tried Casa de Marino first. Don't bother with this place. They ask 60k for the room, plus whatever the girl wants. The first girl I spoke to pitched at 130k including the room. So it doesn't really work out any cheaper than LDV and the girls are not that hot. I left immediately.
Asked the taxi driver to take me to somewhere more [i]popular[/i]. He advised against the following place for safety reasons. But for me with Colombia experience and speaking Spanish it was fine.
The place is called Corronchas, and is in El Bosque, tell the taxi driver it's in front of "Suprema" (hope I remembered that right). Beer is 2k. Most of the girls were skanky, but there was one hot Adriana Lima type, who I would rate an easy 8.5 or maybe 9. Just a perfect example of a colombiana with a gorgeous smile, this is the kind that we travel all this way for.
Had a couple of beers with her, swapped the usual compliments, and negotiated for 1.5 hours, 70k for her and 35k for the room. Off to the room, and she gives me a great session with total GFE and damn does she have a pretty face. I ended up giving her 80k. She will be moving on from this place shortly, she says.
I have a feeling the room should be cheaper than it was, they do try and gouge a little bit at times. This place is not for everyone, the room is pretty basic and they are not so hot on details like clean sheets etc. You can take the girl out for a bar fine of 50k, if you want.
I would not necessarily recommend this place. It might work for you, though, if you speak Spanish and don't mind looking in to see what the quality of girls is like that night and have a beer or two. Maybe hit it a little earlier than LDV or Tripletera, like about 10pm or so.
Sometimes you just get lucky. In the end I did not pay much less than LDV prices, but I got a great experience.
I unfortunately was in Cartagena for 1 night, but paid for 3 nights (I mean I slept there for 3 nights). I booked a 1bd apt through Juan Ventura. My experience with him was really pleasant and I would use his services again. I rented a 1bd room apt on the 7th floor in Laguito for 100k per night (Paid 47$ via Paypal, the remaining 200k in cash later).
Arrived at CTG around 11pm and took a taxi to Laguito. I was quoted 13k (Cartagena taxis don't use meters) and I didn't argue (Juan said it should cost between 10-15k). In reality, it should cost between 10-12k for any night trip.
Checked in and I was exhausted so I went to bed. The next morning, I took one of those buses that circle around Laguito and Centro and beyond for 800-1000 COP (cheaper than the 3500-4000k for taxi). Walked around Centro, and got cash from Citibank (I found out that there is a 24hour ATM with Citibank located in BocaGrande in the Blockbuster (not listed in the Citibank website).
Took the bus back to Laguito, and went for a walk on the beach in BocaGrande.
At around 930pm on the Friday night, I headed over to LDV, which is a 5min walk from the apartment. There were about 10 girls here, and about 5 guys. I purchased a bottle of beer (6k COP), and sat down by myself and just checked the goods. For the most part, the girls looked liked hardened pros, and a number of them were augmented (something I didn't like). Unlike in TJ or in Rio, you have to wave/invite the girl to come sit with you. I am still not used to just checking out the goods because if I were to do that in TJ/Rio and you lock eyes with the girl, the girl wil come over and it'll be hard to shake them (I guess I'm still a newbie to this).
Over the next hour, more and more girls come into LDV. I did notice a girl that was fairly cute across the room (she kept movin her head from side to side trying to get my attention). I ignored her for while and she definiately persisted. Eventually, I broke down and I winked at her and she waved back at me. I waved for her to come over and she sat next to me. We did our normal introductions. She seemed really shy, but she was so natural (so nonpro). She said that her name was Isabel (in reality it was her 2nd name) and she was 23 (she actually looks her age), and she said that she was from Barranquilla. I later found out that she just moved to Cartagena about 1 week ago, and she doesn't know how long she be here. She is about 5'1-5'2, ~100lbs, all natural body, dark skin, black hair, beautiful smile.
I offered her a drink (being ready to get f*cked with something like RedBull with Vodka or somehing), and she said she didn't really care for one. She just drink the beer that I had previously ordered. From then on, I started to really like her. I eventually asked her how much to spend some time with her. She quoted 100k for 1 hour, 200k for 2 hours. I hesistated and thought that this is Friday night and the price is approximately what has been stated on this site previously. I thought that if I were to haggle, I would try for 80k for an hour, but I just first asked about BBBJ, multiple positions, totally nude, etc. She responded that if I wanted BBBJ, it'll be 150k for the first hour. I really hesitated then, becuase I wasn't going to pay over 100k. She noticed my hesitation, and after 1 min, she said that 100k for one hour with BBBJ, multiple positions, nude, etc. I had some levitra in the system already so I was definiately ready for action and didn't feel like trying for 80k when 100k sounded reasonable.
No bar fine. We walked the 5-10 minutes back to my apartment. It turned out to be such a great GFE experience. It was probably the best GFE experience outside of a terma (Rio). Isabel didn't bring a purse (thus... no makeup, no brush, no condoms, no lube, no cell phone); she only brought a copy of her national ID card.
Once we got into my apartment, she seemed really excited. She was amazed by the view (of the hilton/Calle 1) the size of the bedroom and bathroom. The whole session was not rushed, plenty of kissing and groping. BBBJ as promised, although not lasting very long. She then started to get a condom (mine), and I asked her if could do DATY. She responded with, "Do whatever you want." So DATY, multiple positions later, I finished off with her in the cowgirl position.
She subsequently slid off of me and wrapped herself in the blanket to cover her nudity (as opposed to getting up and start cleaning up, etc.) She laid next to me and we caressed and madeout some more. It was simply a wonderful experience. She got dressed as did I. I took money out and put 100k on the dresser. She didn't even ask for the money. She posed for a couple of photos (in the photo section). And as I was about to leave, I noticed that she didn't take the money from the dresser (she probably didn't notice it there), I then put it in her hands and gave her a kiss. I asked her i she has an email address (she doesn't...?!). I asked her if she had a cell phone (that she does, and she gave it to me).
I approximate that she stayed for about 1.5 hours in my apartment. She said that whether I was coming down or if I'm staying in the apt. As I had nothing to do, I figure I was going to walk her downstairs to check her out. Then I figured I might as well walk her back to LDV. We walked up the stairs of the steps to get to the casino/LDV, and she asked if I was going to go back inside. I said no that I'm done for the night. She asked if I wanted to to sit outside on the benches and talk. I responded with, "I have nothing to do but I totally understand that you have work." She answered with, "no it is okay."
We sat outside on the benches for another 15 minutes and chatted. This is when she told me that she has been in Cartagena for only 1 week, and she'll probably eventually go back to Barranquilla. She said that if I'm ever back in Cartagena, that she'll come from Barranquilla to see me.
I walked back towards my apartment and had chuletas for 14k in this parrilla on calle 1 called Riquisimo... and food was truly was riquisimo, particularly after a GFE like that!
On Saturday, I travelled to Barranquilla for Carnival,and returned the same day. I got back to my apartment on Sunday morning at 130am. Being exhausted from being drunk all day and traveling by Invertours to Barranquilla and taking the bus back to Cartagena, I wasn't in the mood for a session, but I figure I would take a walk to LDV to see what the action was like late saturday night. There were plenty of girls and drunk gringo-like people dancing around. I made a walk around and then walked out.
I had some carne asada at riquismo at 230-330am. Went home packed, slept for 1.5hours, left for the airport as my flight back to bog left at 620am. Taxi was 12k.
El Austriaco: very well thought out comments and right on the money.
Cachorro: I agree on what you say about hitting "the path less travelled"....I think perhaps we should start reporting more on the lesser known places for those of us who are either: more adventure/risk taking, know the local language or are bored with the same old places.
We could start an addition to the list (for any country/city) and qualify the places as being good for newbies, good if you speak the local language, etc.
I for one plan on hitting the usual places since is my first trip but I will most definetely check out the non-touristy places.
Thanks to all!
Is there a good selection of black Columbianas in this city?
CTG is the blackest bigger city in Colombia. If you want black and can't find it here, you are the problem.
TS - the night taxi fare from the airport to Laguito is 12K. The daytime fare is 11.5K. If you want to walk 2 blocks from the airport, the fare is around 7K. If you have more than carry on luggage, you should tip 1 or 2K.
LDV will not be open for business on Friday, Saturday and Sunday this weekend.
This is due to the elections and a government ban on alcohol sales during election time.
Oh f*ck. My one week ruined by political activity - I don't believe it, say its not true.
While I THINK Tom meant that the local population in CTG tends towards darker shades, among the working girls there are PLENTY in every large city in Colombia (and no higher % in Cartagena than elsewhere except maybe Medellin).
Re taxi fares from airport, while they ask 12K they will take 10K. Just start walking out towards the taxi stand Tom mentioned and they will fight each other to get that 10K (unless it is a particularly busy time but I NEVER had a problem paying 10k). Just going from Laguito to Almirante I've had them try and charge 4K but I just drop the 3K and say, in Spanish, I know the prices" and walk off. Sometimes the guy may curse you as you walk away but just ignore it. If it REALLY gets ugly say you'll call the police to mediate (and the driver will invariably back down). That being said, I wouldn't try it alone, late at night, in El Bosque, and don't YOU try to take advantage of them (they earn VERY little: I pay my trusted drivers ABOVE the going rate).
Re banning alcohol around election time: MOST Latin countries do that. Come to think of it, I think USA should try it as if everybody was sober on election day, maybe they wouldn't vote for the morons we have had running this country (into the ground) for the last 5 years!
[QUOTE=Surfer]Re taxi fares from airport, while they ask 12K they will take 10K. Just start walking out towards the taxi stand Tom mentioned and they will fight each other to get that 10K (unless it is a particularly busy time but I NEVER had a problem paying 10k).[/QUOTE]I agree with you regarding the taxi rate. After I figured out that the going rate is 10-12k at night, I was getting into the Cartagena Bus "Terminal," which is really far away from Laguito (it seemed like a 20 min taxi ride) at 1am. I walked out into the line of waiting taxis, and I asked if they would go to Laguito for 10 mil. Most of the taxi guys reponded with 12k, and I would just go on to the next guy. Shortly thereafter, a taxi guy I approached early ran up to me and agreed to 10k (he mentioned to the other taxi guys that he was heading in that direction anyways).
[QUOTE=Biffy]Oh f*ck. My one week ruined by political activity - I don't believe it, say its not true.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I did confirmed it with my Colombian friends re: alcohol ban this weekend. This happens apparently every four years.
FARC up to its old tricks again.
(Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia, or FARC-EP) have killed at least 20 civilians in two separate massacres and an attack using gas cylinder bombs. On March 12, Colombia will hold congressional elections, which will be followed by presidential elections on May 28
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I always walk a couple of blocks from the airport and then hail one of many cabs. I say 7 mill pesos, Laguito. Sometimes they counter 8 mil but usually they accept.
On the way to the airport I never say airport. I always say Crespo circa airopuerto. 7 mil. If you say Crespo, the part of Cartagena where the airport is, they will charge you local prices, not tourist prices.
I save a couple bucks for the girls. I had a nice girl from LDV for 50,000 pesos. BBBJ and CIM but no actual intercourse. I renegotiated with her when she would not do my favorite position (secret). Either 50,000 or get the fuck out.
I also stay in apartments, not hotels. Now I am staying in Tocahagua, half a block from LDV, an ocean front remodeled, for 70,000 pesos, about $30 a night. It is low season, so you do not need a reservation. Just showup and there will be many apartments available. There is a small cafe below the building, ask for Susie for an ocean view and she will rent to you. She speaks some English as her husband works in Miami for 6 months of the year. You can also rent in this building for $50 a night from [url]www.cartagenaapartments.com[/url] I have rented the unit on 6th floor and had a nice time there and no problems with the paypal reservation system. Keep your receipt and call the number listed for your checkin time. One of the girls speaks perfect English.
I used to rent from Mery Salence, but Susie will rent for about half Mery´s price, at Colombiano prices. Mery charges gringo prices of $55-60 and adds on her fee of about $10-15 a night.
Then I go to the Hilton and use their gym and pool all day. Never have I been questioned. Use the gringo factor to your advantage, if you can. Often I buy lunch there, so they get their money from me at the restaurant and poolside from drinks.
I also get alot of free airline tickets from using credit cards, frequent flier miles and bumps. If you book the direct flight to and from Cart. it is almost guaranteed the flight on return will be overbooked and you can be rerouted thru Bogota in a couple hours and receive a free international Avianca ticket.
I have not bought a ticket now for my last 2 trips and have another free American Airlines ticket next month from credit card purchases. I am in construction and charge all the materials and services I can on my A.A. card.
Cheers!
Just an FYI that Mery charges 15% of the rent to manage her apts. and I usually pay USD $50-75 per night for her apts (depending on the season, availability, etc.). The vast majority are all completely remodeled and in quality buildings. Plus, Mery is ALWAYS there should something not work, etc. which I know from experience most Colombians will not. Juan is good in this way also.
Hi,
After reading this address [url]www.cartagenaapartments.com[/url], anybody have an experience to rent one ?.
In the General Conditions speaks about the guest policy and I don't know if is the same policy than if you are in hotel.
Thanks,
"The maximum number of guests for each apartment must not be exceeded. Parties may not be held in apartments, and guests are expected to be thoughtfully of their neighbours. Any violation of these rules may lead to eviction. "
2k's a buck (though GWB is doing his best to make sure its more every day). I used to fight over the small change, now I just don't bother: if they're honest with me, I give em a tip; if they wanna screw me, they loose.
These guys *do* work for next to nothing: be nice to 'em.
[QUOTE=Team Stream]I agree with you regarding the taxi rate. After I figured out that the going rate is 10-12k at night, I was getting into the Cartagena Bus "Terminal," which is really far away from Laguito (it seemed like a 20 min taxi ride) at 1am. I walked out into the line of waiting taxis, and I asked if they would go to Laguito for 10 mil. Most of the taxi guys reponded with 12k, and I would just go on to the next guy. Shortly thereafter, a taxi guy I approached early ran up to me and agreed to 10k (he mentioned to the other taxi guys that he was heading in that direction anyways).[/QUOTE]
I hear you.
I turned down the cutest ever little black chick in Bogotá cause she wanted 200k. And late on a quiet mid-week night.
Sad. :(
[QUOTE=Uncazadorez]Thats exactly my point. Guys have been paying sky rocket prices and in resulting the prices have been upped tremendously. Granted I have only been to Colombia twice once in Medellin and once in Bogota. When I was there 8 years ago you would bag a 10++ easy for the prices I have quoted. I have longed to go back since I divorced my colombian wife and this year is my year. I shall be mongering in those neck of the woods again. I am by no way on a 10 dollar budget guy when I go. But guys need to realize you are paying these broads salarys of heart surgeons for crying outloud. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ngp477]I always walk a couple of blocks from the airport and then hail one of many cabs. I say 7 mill pesos, Laguito. Sometimes they counter 8 mil but usually they accept.
On the way to the airport I never say airport. I always say Crespo circa airopuerto. 7 mil. If you say Crespo, the part of Cartagena where the airport is, they will charge you local prices, not tourist prices.
I save a couple bucks for the girls. I had a nice girl from LDV for 50,000 pesos. BBBJ and CIM but no actual intercourse. I renegotiated with her when she would not do my favorite position (secret). Either 50,000 or get the fuck out.
I also stay in apartments, not hotels. Now I am staying in Tocagua, half a block from LDV, an ocean front remodeled, for 70,000 pesos, about $30 a night. It is low season, so you do not need a reservation. There is a small cafe below the building, ask for Susie for an ocean view and she will rent to you. She speaks some English. You can also rent in this building for $50 a night from [url]www.cartagenaapartments.com[/url]
I used to rent from Mery Salence, but Susie will rent for about half Mery´s price, at Colombiano prices. Mery charges gringo prices and adds on her fee of about $15 a night.
Then I go to the Hilton and use their gym and pool all day. Never have I been questioned. Use the gringo factor to your advantage, if you can.
I also get alot of free airline tickets from using credit cards, frequent flier miles and bumps. If you book the direct flight to and from Cart. it is almost guaranteed the flight on return will be overbooked and you can be rerouted thru Bogota in a couple hours and receive a free international Avianca ticket.
I have not bought a ticket now for my last 2 trips and have another free American Airlines ticket next month from credit card purchases. I am in construction and charge all the materials and services I can on my A.A. card.
Cheers![/QUOTE]I have stayed a couple of times in the Tocagua building. Susie is very nice and all. But make sure you check the apartment carefully before making any payment. In the first apartment I stayed in, the kitchen was infested with roaches, I mean just unfreaken believable. I made the mistake of paying upfront since a buddy of mine refered her to me.
When traveling abroad, it is normal to encounter a few flying friends here and there, but Jesus, it sucks to be worried about a roach on the wall right over the head of the gal you are pounding, getting ready to make a nose dive right into the action.
Second visit, I checked things out carefully, and all was good(different apartment). So I would visit Tocagua again, and rent from Susie again, but check things out carefully, for example, open oven door, kitchen cabinets, and check out bathrooms.
Don't know if I will be back anytime soon to Cartagena, from what I have read in the last couple of months, prices are getting out of hand. Good luck to all.
Actually it happens a little more often than that. The Presidential elections will be held on May 28. Same deal. No alcohol sales from midnight Friday through midnight Monday.
Addicted to women --
The average taxi driver earns about $400 a month, double the normal wage for Colombia. Of course many of them work 12-14 hours a day, by choice. Usually they get 2 or 3 days off a month, without pay, which is required by the city laws on a rotation basis from the last number of their license plate. It is their business and after they pay the daily rental fee of about $20 they are free to drive it as long as they like. The owner also must pay for health insurance for the driver. If they can overcharge a couple of thousand pesos on each trip it will add up, 100% as profit in their pocket, and alot of drivers in Cartegena try to overcharge, especially gringos at night from clubs. If you are nice to them they will think of some way to overcharge you. Its best to be on guard. They are not your friend, and will try to overcharge you if they can. They have no loyalty to you whatsoever.
Only pay the minimum and ask what it is before getting in the cab. Often if you stop at an ATM or make another stop on the way they will try to charge you double the minimum, or charge you for wait time. Ask before you get in.
How do I know? I own several taxis in Medellin. Colombians would die for a taxi job and would not prejudice their opportunity by robbing an american or getting in trouble with the law, but overcharging small amounts, YES.
The city regulates the number of taxis on the streets so there are not too many or too few. IT IS complicated to buy a taxi, but not impossible.
Please note that I have nothing bad to say about Mery, it is the gringo owners that set the price, expecting gringo customers to pay that fee per night.
I have also rented from [url]www.cartagenaapartments.com[/url] and had a good exerience with them. No problems bringing in a different girl everynight. Of course I am not loud and do not have real wild parties, only parties for 2. You pay in advance by paypal and should bring your receipt with you to get properly credited for your deposit. One of the girls with their company speaks perfect English, I cannot recall her name, but after you reserve the aparmtent on the internet you should call the number on the website and speak English, they will transfer your call to this girl right away and you can schedule a checkin time at the aparmtent lobby where you are staying 45 minutes after your flight is scheduled to come in. They will meet you at 11pm in the night, as they did for me.
You can save by renting from an administrator who normally rents to Colombians, and they have rental offices in almost every apartment of Laguito. Especially during slow season, prices are about half what you would pay with Mery. If you are in Cart for a week or more it does add up!
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]2k's a buck (though GWB is doing his best to make sure its more every day). I used to fight over the small change, now I just don't bother: if they're honest with me, I give em a tip; if they wanna screw me, they loose.
These guys *do* work for next to nothing: be nice to 'em.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that 2k is a dollar, but it is obvious that I'm a tourist that they will try take advantage of me. The example being that going to Laguito from the airport at night. The taxi guy said 13k (normally 12k). I didn't feel like arguing with him at 1130pm so I said okay.
I don't want to add the precedence that tourists/gringos = easy target to ripoff. I want to basically let them know that I know that I may look like a tourist, but I am not easy to rip off. It is just the principle.
I have a rule that if the taxi guy asks for a tip, I'm not giving him one (automatically). He is asking me becomes he knows that I'm a tourists. I don't think he would dare ask a Colombian guy for a tip. Basically I don't trust any taxi drivers in any country, and (like NGY477 said) one needs to be always on guard.
And yes, I know that I'm bargaining of a couple of mil pesos and I'm blowing 100k on a girl at LDV, but then I'm not paying 200-300k as the girls ask for sometimes. I'll pay the "reasonable" going rate for an LDV girl (thus the research on ISG) and I'll also pay the "reasonable" going rate for a taxi/hotel/whatever.
Ngp477 is corect,just by walking into the edificios(apartment buildings) you can eliminate the middle man,or woman.your choice,your money.
Other than finding chicas,finding an apartment is the second easiest thing in Cartagena.If you have any doubts go to the middle of Laguito in the daytime,step out of the taxi with your suitcase and yell"apartamentos".Be ready for a tout stampede.I would not suggest using one of these individuals.
I used one when i first starting going there and i did find a nice apartment.The problem was that whenever i went outside somehow he would appear and ask for the dreaded propina(tip).Whatever you give them will not be enough.also, they get a kick back from the owner of the apartment for bringing you to them.This will not stop them from asking for a tip,again and again.
Again, by just walking around and asking the rental offices or front desk you can get the best deals.Hope this helps!
Thats true! Finding an apartment is easy in Cartagena. There are plenty of adequate one bedroom apartments for 80-100k. You can find one in 2 minutes.
just came back from a launch ride to Terra Bomba, about 7 minutes from the Hilton. More adventure than a trip to Isla Rosario and NO VENDORS!
Some of the inhabitants were walking around without clothes, others in their underwear. Because I was with my lady, I did not inquire about sex, but I would guess it is pretty cheap. Most of the inhabitant sit around their partially finished cement block homes watching the day go by. There is one small store on the island and a couple of churches. One girl came up to me as if she had never seen a white person before, and tried to touch my arm. The ripe scent drew me away quickly. A guide took us to Playa Linda about 25 minutes away, I gave him 3,000 tip. I guess Playa Linda is a generic name on most every island.
You negotiate with the launch owners and all their friends over the cost of the boat ride. Cost is about 20,000 pesos round trip. We went with one launch guy over there, he wanted to charge 20,000 pesos and was to come back to pick us up in an hour. I was to pay him 20,000 on the way back for both ways. When he did not come back we waited an extra 15 minutes, he never showed, and then went back with another launch guy for only 8,000 pesos. May never see the first guy.
"Some of the inhabitants were walking around without clothes"
Are we talking women here?
Some of the small children and up to 16 walk around without clothes or in underwear because of the heat. older girls wear see thru t-shirts without bras.
I am sure the legal aged ones would take a poke for 5k pesos. Probably their mama would rent them out for 4K an give you some privacy in their home. May want a shower first.
Ngp...this sounds intriguing: is this place an island that is non-developed? If so is it worth visiting in terms of it being relaxed and at least having 1 or 2 pretty beaches were one may chill for the day?
Any places to stay or is it local homes?
Other than the beach and possibly some diving...other diversions such as waterfalls, hiking?
Thanks mate.
Many of the vendedores who ply Laguito and Bocagrande live on Tierra Bomba. On the far end of the island is Boca Chica, the old fort guarding the entrance to the Bay of Cartagena. Boca Chica is loaded with vendedores.
Alright SOMEBODY has to be going into LDV. I really would like Valentinas contact info so I may contact her to see if she would be interested in coming to my bachelor party in MDE. $Bill posted some pics of her farther back in the thread. If anyone talks to her tell her the gringo she picked up at the airport in MDE with the ojos azules is trying to get in contact with her.
Thanks brothers,
Sparky
I would say it is a good place to explore and go hiking, there is a beautiful beach 30 minutes walk from the coast. On the hike you go up a mountain, you will see many unusual flowers, wild burros, pigs, nude or semi nude inhabitants, roosters, etc. Alot like rural life in the outer islands of the Philippines.
On Playa Linda there are some grass huts. There is one store in town. They have electricity and most of the houses have a light at night. That is about it. No hotel. No restaurants. 3 churches. One small park for children to play in the center of the pueblo.
They speak spanish. 100% black.
For 3 nights before the election Sunday there is no alcohol being sold in Colombia. I guess the government does not want drunk voters.
There still was alot of girls outside LDV. I selected a 21 year old named Lina, tight jeans, red blouse half way open, young perky tits. Never talked price until we ended up in bed naked. I offered her 70K for an hour or 150 for TLN. She accepted 70K for an hour. Nice GFE.
It does'nt seem like much changes in Cartagena. Lina is still outside of LDV. This is her, right?
Brubaker, man, I used to read your stuff on another board and I always thought you were a crazy motherfucker (I mean that in a good way). Nice to see you on this board, and getting out of the country for some tang.
looks like Lina alright. How was your experience with her? What was your charge?
She looks cute, worth a test drive? Please describe.
Will be in CTG in 2 weeks and want to maximize time. TIA
I first met her back in 2003. She gave me good service for 70k and allowed me to video the action. I would like to believe I was one of the first customers but I think I was just as disillusioned as ever other guy that goes to Cartagena for the first time :)
Intransit, I remember you. You're one of those South East Asia mongers from what I remember.
Especially for anyone here on a short time frame, do not waste any time trying to contact any individual chica that you may have heard about. Go to where the chicas are, and see who wants to play at that moment. If you happen across a particular chica about whom you have heard, go for it.
The phone service is not always reliable. The chicas in general are much less reliable than the phone service. They seemingly always say they will show up. Many times they do not show at all or come an hour or two late with no call. When I want some stray stuff, I rarely call anyone. I just hit the street and see who's there.
Just tried the Manila House casa out in Bosque.
About a dozen tarts, ranging from 4 to about 7 in looks, charged me 50k for room, and tart asked 80k.
She was quite a good worker, did a half decent massage and dfk etc oral without, but not to completion.
Room was crummy though, no a/c and fan sounded like old plane taking off.
The Ley Seca (dry law for the election) must have made the chica´s a bit more hungry than usual. There was over 50 in LDV last night (i counted...) around midnight, ranging from 4 to the occasional 8 or 9.
All asking 200k plus to start with, in the interests of getting a fuller picture, I went to Tripleterra, which was crap only 8 or 9 chicas and loads of pissed Colombiano´s.
Returned to LDV about 2am, place much quieter, and MANY more of the US monger crowd. Its looking like its true what the rumours say - CTG is a big monger destination, and prices are rising. The inevitable crackdown and media frenzy can´t be far behind.
Anyway will try somewhere else tomorrow and report back if anyone´s interested....
[QUOTE=Brubaker]It does'nt seem like much changes in Cartagena. Lina is still outside of LDV. This is her, right?[/QUOTE]She is working the street outside? That is street tasty then.
When are the Presidential elections? I heard two weeks from now?
The Presidentail elections are May 28. This effectively will kill Memorial Day weekend in CTG.
The taps and clubs have re-opened as of Monday last.
The departure tax is around US$30 for short-time(less than 30? days) visitors. They can be paid in a pinch by credit card.
I think I'm going to have one night in Cartagena (very late night, arrive at the airport at 11:00 PM) before the No. 1 girlfriend arrives. And it's going to be a Sunday. I can't go to LDV because No. 2 "girlfriend" works there. (O.K., I could go to LDV, but I figure No. 2 is going to perform better if I'm not banging her friends.) Are Pleyboy and similar clubs open late Sunday? Any idea what they're charging now? I guess another option would be to call ahead and have something lined up, but my little black book is kind of sparse. If anybody has a suggestion please let me know. Thanks!
Recently back from a February trip to Cartagena. I'm an old hand at the Colombian scene, but as much as it pains me, I'll admit to being the victim of an LDV rip-off artist. It happened on my first night in country, after a long night day of travel. (I'm pleading diminished capacity) It was a Thursday night and I wanted to see if I could get away with not paying over 100K at LDV for a couple of hours. I'd been talking to several of the girls and passed on a hot one who asked for 150k. This one agreed to 100k and off we went. What really threw me off my guard, besides my exhaustion and booze intake , was that the session was all I could've asked for; very GFE, and we both got along. However as she was leaving and picked up the 100k I left on the dresser, she claimed the agreement had been for 200k!! I was so shocked and stunned by this sudden turn of events, (this has never happenned to me before), that I caved in just to get her out. It wasn't untill the next morning that I clearly remembered our initial conversation, and that I should have just called building security and had her thrown out. Oh well, there's a first time for nearly everthing. Forgot her name, and she said she was from Bogota.
Hey Wolf,
I know that chica! My friend has been doing her for years- she's an old LDV hand. I've never gone with her but I will be sure to give her shit when I see her next! What a perra!
what could she possibly be getting for a 2-3 hour session or even an overnight?
Thanks for your info Tom.
I will be in CTG for 10 days (departure tax 30$).
I'll arrive to CTG on 28.
Tom, six years ago, I used to go at LDV but this bar was near to Plaza S. Diego. Do you know why location has changed to Laguito ?
I was never that drunk where I paid double. One time I paid an LDV girl 60k. I rolled up a bunch of 5k and 10k bills with a 20k bill on top. As she was walking out the door I handed it to her. It looked like a lot. The next time I saw her, she was pissed :)
Mastorr - LDV moved in early 2001 because their lease in the old city wasn't renewed. There is some controversy as to why it wasn't renewed.
Thanks Zippy,
I'll check LDV in Laguito. I think is near (walking) to my apt in Torre Centauro.
Can anyone recommend a nice place in CTG for a quality non-sexual massage.
Thanks.
My 01/2006 02/2006 and way overdue 03/2006 Reports!
First of all guys I just got back a few days ago so some of my info might be a tad bit outdated! Someone gave World Travel 69 a hard time for possibely posting old info and asked they guy had he been to all the places that he had listed! If WT is going to take the time and do the research for us old info or not my hat is off to the man thanks WT!
Most of shit here is regurgitated information anyways, hell even our fights are pretty much the same old fights!
For what it's worth here is my regurgitated overdue report!$582 on Copa from LAX red eye leave LAX 12:15am arrive Panama 09:30 5 hour layover to CTG fuck me! If any of you guys are thinking of doing the Atlantico multi city tour, and your from the West Coast you might want to consider flying into BAQ the layover on Copa is only like 90 minutes, there from there you can catch a shuttle type bus to Santa Marta or CTG for $25,000 around $12.50 U.S. hook up with [url]www.invertours.com[/url] they take you from city to city and from door to door and it's a safe way to travel thru Atlantico!
The long awaited BBQ report, what can I say if it could go wrong it did! I hit CTG around 17:30 go to my Penthouse only to find out I did not have an Apartment, I Fuck'd up the reservations with Juan Ventura, and flew in a month early! To Juan's credit he gave me a full refund and did not discount the 3% he had to pay to Pay Pal!
Another Monger heard about my screw up and let me bunk with him, and we had a blast. The BBQ still took place but it was no Chicas gone wild more like a PG rated picinic, but still had a good time breaking bread with TOM 33 his chica a few local guys and my new found friend aka my Landlord!
So I put my gear up head to the Casino next to LDV (The sweet Life) and without knowing it I'm sitting next to my landlord playing Black Jack! I tale off back to the Apt take clean up and I'm headed off to the LDV and who do I run into on the Street? That's right my Landlord! So we exchange a strange drunk stir at each other and laugh! We head out to LDV for some much needed Chicas!
We spend a few hours checking out the Chicas, I'm looking for looks and some personality, after an hour or so I finely det the D.J. to play some music I can dance to and get noticed by a few Chicas! We dance drink and share a few laughs, then get soen to business Cuanto? She says $250,000 damn that was the best laugh of the night, I counter with $100,000 if you think I had a good laugh you should of heard her laugh!!
So we dance and drink some more and I notice she has a friend with her, so I tell her look, let's do this! I'll give you $100,000 and your Chica $100,000 and let's go back to my Apt and party some more, hell that made her smile, so off we go, one one each hand a 18y.o. white Chica and a 32 y.o. hot body black Chica, throwing off one hell of a good Vibe!
My new found frined hooked up with a smoking 20y.o. for $150,000!
Back at the Apt, I throw in a little Hip Hop and it is on and cracking! My new buddy from Carolina I think it is, sees how the Chica's react to Hip Hop and breaks out with a smile on his face as well!
From there all you guys have to do is picture an Oreo Sandwich and use your imagination a bit! Damn all that for only $200,000!
Day2 Head out to my favorite restaurant, and as luck would have it I do not even remember the name of the damn place! I think it is called Rotiemo some shit like that but it is directly across the street from a new building going up called Torres Del Lago in La Quito! The best and most expensive thing on the menu is Baby Beef $18,000 around $8 U.S.
My new found friend heads off to have some dental work done, teeth bleached a few cavities fiiled at a major Dental Clinic called Sonrisa (Smile) all for around $300 U.S.
I head off to Jennifer's arms and lips, this is a 24 y.o. hard body black Chica that TOM 33 hooked me up with on my frist trip! Overall she is a 7.3 in the looks department and an 8 in the cama (bed) department! The first time with Jennifer I paid her $50,000 for short time, but she wanted to stay long time! This time I paid her $40,000 and again she wanted to stay long time, not sure how my Novia would have viewed my business venture, so I took a pass on long time! FYI: First time she wanted me all covered up and so did I this time she wanted me raw dog! Point is guys cover up!
After Jennifer, I headed to El Mercado (Market) for food and booze! For you guys who like to cook the main market in CTG is Olimpica, one is near La Quito on Cr#3 next to Body Tech Gym, so so market, but the best Olimpica is near the Naval Base Grande Olimpica, about 10 minute drive from La Quito!
To Be Continued!
Let me wrap up day 2 here!
My new buddy, is just burning the candle at both ends, this cat is hitting the ground running! Hitting all the Casa that are listed on the Fourm here!
I'm not sure where all he pilled from, but he pulled this hot hot hottie, from all places Veneauela! This girl is absolutely smoking, blonde hair, about 5'6" 110 pounds, great teeth and dressed to the 9's, he pulled her from Venus, exit fee was $60,000 and he paid her $150,000, in my opinion she was worth every single peso, hell she might have even been worth the exit fee as well!
Old guys this is for the new guys! Body Tech a ripp off $35,000 for a one day pass but the best of the best can be found there, address is Carrera 4 No. 6-12 about a 15 minute walk from La Quito, the walk is a great way to check out the every day local girls! Another gym is Ventura Fitness $20,000 sign up fee, then $10,000 for a day pass, located on San Martin this is the road that leads into La Quito! I have neverd pulled from these places but I have been checked out by a few Chicas.
Keep in mind if you pull a Chica from on of these gyms, they are iupper class Chicas for sure! If they can afford a membership at one of these Gyms, Chica got a little Plata in her pocket! Trust me you can approach them all!
For the new guys let me break down La Quito for you a bit! La Quito is basically one road in and one road out and it is also one way! La Quito starts at Hotel Caribe and ends for the most part at the Hilton! After that the road runs on the back side of La Quito back into Bocagrande!
It has a hand full of Restaurants and a hand full of 7/11 type conventient stores, and the prices are not that bad, a pack of smokes under a dollar same for beer! I would say that 95% of the girls that you see on the streets can be had! Not many non working girls in La Quito for tht you have to venture out a bit!
Bocagrande is a much larger section of Cartagena, more Restaurants, Clubs, Casinos, Hotels, places to shop etc. well as non working chicas!
I guess the key to getting non working girls is Espanol, but for the most part my Spanish is tourist at best and I have never had a problem, but if you want Ricker types babes bring your pocket translator!
The other key is how long a Chica thinks your going to be in town, tell them a week, good luck, tell them a month and you'll be returning soon, Houston the Eagle has landed!
The Old City aka the Walled City! Old and New guys alike this is an absolute must see day time as well as at night! Prices are a lot higher but worth it!
The Old City is also filled with shops,clubs and restaurants and a ton of night life! A great romantic place to take a Chcia at night is Cafe Del Mar, this place sits on top of the old city and over looks La Quito and Bocagrande! Another great place to eat is Quebracho this is in the old city and a bit upscale, but very romantic as well!
Best party club is Mr. Babilla this is located right outside the old city, next to the convention center, this street also has a boat load of other clubs, mainly playing Salsa music for the locals, but this area is a shit load of fun, and good place to pick up non working girls, and yes I have pulled from this area!
And Thanks Escort King!
To Be Continued!
Hey Latina Passion ... sounds like you had a GOOD time in Cartagena ... nice to see an actual report with all the BS on this Colombia board now ... anyway nice job.
Did you ever make it to Medellin?
I'm off to Cali for about a week manana ... mostly to hang with the nueva novia ... new girlfriend ... maybe a little exploring on the side though.
You are right though ... speaking espanol ... obviously helps muuucho with meeting / picking up normal chicas ... matter of fact, it helps immensley with working chicas too.
Nothing better than turning a pro into a novia!
Suerte amigo!
Ricker, I spent 4 days in February in CTG then two weeks in BAQ! I always have a blast in CTG and I seem to always find a few more things to do!
It was pretty interesting to see everyday Colombian life! The things I love about the Country are the same things that would drive me to drink more!
Overall a good trip, I guess this means I owe the board a detailed BAQ report!
[blue]Greetings everyone,
I have decided to give Ngp477 his own thread titled "Ngp477 in Columbia".
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2420[/url]
Those of you who wish are welcome to join him in the discussions there.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Greetings everyone,
I have decided to give Ngp477 his own thread titled "Ngp477 in Columbia".
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2420[/url]
Those of you who wish are welcome to join him in the discussions there.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
good man....
For the most part guys, everything that there is to do in Cartagena has already been posted!
Apartments: Paid $60 a night via Juan Ventura. I've been to CTG about 8 times in the past two years I have always used [blue][Link to dating website deleted by Admin][/blue] for Apartment rental, I have used Juan 3 times this year and plan on renting from him again this month, Juan is an honest guy and has some of the best Apartments in CTG, but! You can probably find cheaper Apt's in Bocagrande, but again Juan I would highly recommended!
Street action can be found all over La Quito, a lot of them hang out in front of LDV, just walk around the building and there is a circle where they hang out at!
In Bocagrande they start at Hotel Caribe and just walk you will find them or they will find you! Thanks to TOM 33 for this tip!
In the Old City a bit harder to find but they are there!
Non working girls, all over the place, last year I was at the mall with my then Novia, as she was trying on cloths the sales clerk half my age hit on me!
My visit there last week I met this guy that was in CTG for a month studying Espanol for a month, he was telling me that after his first week there and visiting the same Cafe, the waitress made a move on him! Senior guys you have to love this story!
This guy is paying $700 a month to study Spanish and $2.5 mill for an apartment!
That is about it, will post some Pics soon now that it is safe again, and post on BAQ!
If you guys have any question I mean any at ALL, ask TOM 33 he is the expert! LOL!
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]For the most part guys, everything that there is to do in Cartagena has already been posted!
Apartments: Paid $60 a night via Juan Ventura. I've been to CTG about 8 times in the past two years I have always used [url]www.loveme.com[/url] for Apartment rental, I have used Juan 3 times this year and plan on renting from him again this month, Juan is an honest guy and has some of the best Apartments in CTG, but! You can probably find cheaper Apt's in Bocagrande, but again Juan I would highly recommended!
Street action can be found all over La Quito, a lot of them hang out in front of LDV, just walk around the building and there is a circle where they hang out at!
In Bocagrande they start at Hotel Caribe and just walk you will find them or they will find you! Thanks to TOM 33 for this tip!
In the Old City a bit harder to find but they are there!
Non working girls, all over the place, last year I was at the mall with my then Novia, as she was trying on cloths the sales clerk half my age hit on me!
My visit there last week I met this guy that was in CTG for a month studying Espanol for a month, he was telling me that after his first week there and visiting the same Cafe, the waitress made a move on him! Senior guys you have to love this story!
This guy is paying $700 a month to study Spanish and $2.5 mill for an apartment!
That is about it, will post some Pics soon now that it is safe again, and post on BAQ!
If you guys have any question I mean any at ALL, ask TOM 33 he is the expert! LOL![/QUOTE]
That's $1,000 USD for the apartment... does it include meals???
To me that is way high, I know for sure in BAQ Espanol lessons are under $200 a month five days a week, 3.5 hours a day!
Escort King, so have you made it to CTG yet?
[QUOTE=Escort King]That's $1,000 USD for the apartment... does it include meals???[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]To me that is way high, I know for sure in BAQ Espanol lessons are under $200 a month five days a week, 3.5 hours a day!
Escort King, so have you made it to CTG yet?[/QUOTE]
Not yet... have done a lot of trips to the Dominican and figured it was time... though grew up in Australia so spent a bunch of time in SE Asia and Europe.
For an American to fly from D.R. to Cuba, would you have any Idea?
[QUOTE=Escort King]Not yet... have done a lot of trips to the Dominican and figured it was time... though grew up in Australia so spent a bunch of time in SE Asia and Europe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]For an American to fly from D.R. to Cuba, would you have any Idea?[/QUOTE]
yes can be done
First off thanks for the priceless info.O.K. after many treks to CR and the DR I am going solo to Cartagena.I am staying in Juan's apt Playa Del Mar in Laguito....am I close (walking distance to LDV?).Someone mentioned a gym,is it nearby and can I buy a sims card for my unlocked gsm? I speak some spanish but are all the tv broadcasts in espanol?....If anyone is there lets have a beer.....mule
[QUOTE=Latina Passion]For an American to fly from D.R. to Cuba, would you have any Idea?[/QUOTE]
I have heard, from Santo Domingo DR and maybe Santiago DR, you can fly direct to Cuba. Try ww.caribair.com.do. Other airlines to consider Cubana Air and Aerocaribbean.
Also you can fly directly from Bogota to Havana on Cubana. The ticket desk is located in El Dorado, next to Delta and Continental.
FYI - these airlines know NOT to stamp your passport. They will stamp your tourist card. Be sure of it. I don't have to tell you the ramifications of getting caught by the US gestapo with that on your US passport.
For the record, sadly, I've never been to Cuba. It's a goal, as I have family roots there. Just passing along info collected along the way.
Buen viaje!!!
I flew there from Miami in Jan. of 2005 and asked them to stamp my passport. Of course I had permission to go with a university group as part of a cultural exchange program.
I absolutely hated Cuba. Fidel has really fucked things up. And he prohibits prostitution.
Tom, for me it is the road a little less traveled, it is like going to Eastern Europe before the wall came down! Now why I keep coming back to your City is another story in itself!
Hey I understand that Fidel, has a special prison just for working girls, have you heard about that?
HH thanks for the caribair link, I'll check it out.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I flew there from Miami in Jan. of 2005 and asked them to stamp my passport. Of course I had permission to go with a university group as part of a cultural exchange program.
I absolutely hated Cuba. Fidel has really fucked things up. And he prohibits prostitution.[/QUOTE]
I'll be in Cartagena May 24 - May 29, right during the elections and ley seca.
[QUOTE=TheKnife]I'll be in Cartagena May 24 - May 29, right during the elections and ley seca.[/QUOTE]The Knife - is this a bad thing? I will also be in Cartagena during this time. Do things shut down during the elections?
I am planning on going to Columbia May 19th - 28th. I do not speak spanish but like the women and was hoping someone could advise as to how much english is spoken in CTG. Also, if someone could advise as to how big the scene is in CTG and Cali and also if they reccommend going to Cali / Med without knowing spanish.
Thanks
If you can't speak Spanish and don't have a trusted friend to personally show you around, stay out of every Colombian city except Cartagena. Especially stay the fuck out of Cali.
For the umpteenth time, everything will be closed during Memorial Day weekend because of the Presidential election. Try a different time if you want night life. RTFF.
I am planning a trip to either Cuba (Holguin) or Colombia (Cali, Cartagena or Medellin don't know which). I know the scene in Cuab and what to do and where to get girls. I would like to go to Colombia. But I have no fucking Ideal on where to go and what to do.
If anybody can get tell me about hotels, Disco and all of the other essential I would me most apreciative. I really would like to go to Colombia and meet some of these sweet honeys.
El Cubanito
PS has anybody have luck with a website called Cybercupido.com? Lots of candy in these pages.
I am planning my trip from May 19 to may 26.
El Cubanito
[QUOTE=TheKnife]I'll be in Cartagena May 24 - May 29, right during the elections and ley seca.[/QUOTE]
Uribe is going to win in a landslide, much to the shigrin of Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and the Democratic party of the United States. Colombia has made tremendous strides during his leadership. When Chavez stirs up trouble with Colombia in the future, unlike our Government, Uribe will stick it to Chavez.
Hell we need someone like Uribe here, instead of Dumbo and Chaney
Does Colombia close bares during election time? I'm there 5/ 20 til 6/4.
Anyone know this? Please advise.
Thanks
[QUOTE=East Sider 300]The Knife - is this a bad thing? I will also be in Cartagena during this time. Do things shut down during the elections?[/QUOTE]There will be no club action. I have a paisa whi I'm hooking up with so its all good but it could have been better. Oh well.
I landed recently during the ley seca or dry law. All bars and lots of restaurants, no street action, v.quiet - however i did go to the town square area and found a streetwalker amongst the dross.
I wouldn't like a whole weekend like that.
Thanks to Tom33 and Winner71, I've been redirected to CTG instead of Cali for my first trip to the country. I was also told about the elections that are taking place during the end of May and I would like to know when it's over so I can search for air fare prices again. I've read about 10 pages back for any information regarding a decent place to stay thats not too expensive. Trying to stay under the $50/day range for an apartment or girl friendly hotel. I'll be there for 7 days with a couple of my budies and will be looking for fellow mongers to grab a cerveza and hit a few of the hot spots with. We are a laid back couple of guys in our mid 30's and are well seasoned in the Dominican Republic scene. We are giving DR a rest and now it's time for us to head a little further south of the boarder..hehe. Any suggestions guys?? TIA.
Sky
[QUOTE=Skyjuice]Thanks to Tom33 and Winner71, I've been redirected to CTG instead of Cali for my first trip to the country. I was also told about the elections that are taking place during the end of May and I would like to know when it's over so I can search for air fare prices again. I've read about 10 pages back for any information regarding a decent place to stay thats not too expensive. Trying to stay under the $50/day range for an apartment or girl friendly hotel. I'll be there for 7 days with a couple of my budies and will be looking for fellow mongers to grab a cerveza and hit a few of the hot spots with. We are a laid back couple of guys in our mid 30's and are well seasoned in the Dominican Republic scene. We are giving DR a rest and now it's time for us to head a little further south of the boarder..hehe. Any suggestions guys?? TIA.
Sky[/QUOTE]
I am sure if all three kick in $40 a day you can get somewhere though possibly not 3 bedroom... I am only speaking from my reading and real estate listing searches.
Juan Ventura rents apartments in your price range. See [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].
I posted the election date in the Cali section.
There are hotels on the backside of Boca Grande that only cost 30-35k pesos a night for the room.. all 4 of you can sleep there if yo want(next to the Olimplica).. that's where I usually stay. There or from one of Mery 's rentals if I feel like splurging.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Juan Ventura rents apartments in your price range. See [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].
I posted the election date in the Cali section.[/QUOTE]
Thanks again fellas. I added that Jaun Ventura link to my favorites. I think the dates of June 2nd to the 9th will do for CTG. The price is still reasonable from NY..only $568. Do you guys think I should secure rooms now or is it ok to just wait till I'm there since and shop around a bit since it's not peak season?..Winner, those rooms you mentioned for 30-35k pesos sounds sweet to me...also, I'm thinking if I should also bring along my laptop...or is it better to use an internet cafe there?
Sky
The dates you mention are not during high season which starts around June 20. You will get the best deal by shopping around. However, you will only be here for a week. Why waste time shopping? Remember you get what you pay for. That 30-35K pesos will not get you air conditioning which I need even though I live here 8 months a year. You will also not get any hot water. But, in this climate, you can live without hot water. I just like hot showers.
I wouldn't bother with the laptop for a week. There are a ton of Internet cafes. And it may be difficult to connect the laptop to the Internet although some of Juan's apartments have Internet connections.
Hey Tom I met Skyjuice in the DR, he is a great guy.
Hey Beavis..how are you man?..we met years ago at Sosua Palace, right?
seems like we still got that fever for the chicas..haha.
Tom, thanks again about the rooms. Anyone down there from June 2nd - June 9/10th..give me a holla.
Sky
Doing great man. I married a Colombiana a year and a half ago and it is just wonderful. Hopefully Tom will be there when you are. He is the man in Cartagena, the gringo Mayor. Get him to show you his picture collection. His personal collection can blow away all of the sites put together.
[QUOTE=Beavis]Doing great man. I married a Colombiana a year and a half ago and it is just wonderful. Hopefully Tom will be there when you are. He is the man in Cartagena, the gringo Mayor. Get him to show you his picture collection. His personal collection can blow away all of the sites put together.[/QUOTE]
Tom is to CTG as Jimmy is to Sousa?
Guys,
All input much appreciated.
I am heading down to Cartagena for about 8 weeks starting next month. How much should I expect to pay for an apartment (say, per month).
Also, how much for decent Spanish classes (small groups or solo). Nueva Lengua seem to be the marketing kings - they are all over the web. But at over $10 an hour, they seem pricey. What is a fair price and any recommendations for school / teachers?
Many thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=mugsey]Guys,
All input much appreciated.
I am heading down to Cartagena for about 8 weeks starting next month. How much should I expect to pay for an apartment (say, per month).
Also, how much for decent Spanish classes (small groups or solo). Nueva Lengua seem to be the marketing kings - they are all over the web. But at over $10 an hour, they seem pricey. What is a fair price and any recommendations for school / teachers?
Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Pimselur and Rosetta Stone are two on cds that work well.... put them in the car or onto an IPod
Please, I really need some advice. Had a trip scheduled for Memorial Day weekend, not knowing it was Ley Seca. Would arrive on Thursday, so I guess one day at the clubs. Also, have some local chicas I can hang out with, but I hear the atomosphere is just not the same.
Are the casinos still open? Where are the people partying? House parties? Am I better off changing itineraries? Maybe Santo Domingo? When is the actual start and end of Ley Seca?
Tom33, I know you're a resident. Please help!
Thanks!
The election is Sunday, May 28. I believe that one day on each side of the election is dry. That means from midnight Friday to midnight Monday. I have seen beer served at restaurants on Monday evenings. The bars in CTG especially LDV will open at midnight on Monday. They may not bother opening in MDE on Monday night.
I am not a night person and don't drink. So I am not aware of any alternatives. I am perfectly happy going to bed early. Things in general seem very quiet during elections. If you don't like quiet, I suggest that you change your plans.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]The election is Sunday, May 28. I believe that one day on each side of the election is dry. That means from midnight Friday to midnight Monday. I have seen beer served at restaurants on Monday evenings. The bars in CTG especially LDV will open at midnight on Monday. They may not bother opening in MDE on Monday night.
I am not a night person and don't drink. So I am not aware of any alternatives. I am perfectly happy going to bed early. Things in general seem very quiet during elections. If you don't like quiet, I suggest that you change your plans.[/QUOTE]Tom,
Thanks very much for the response. I certainly will take your recommendations into account. I may wind up still going, as tickets and hotels are already booked. I know some locals, so hopefully I may wind up at some house parties, and will probably rent a boat for a day. Plus, I believe casinos are still open.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]The election is Sunday, May 28. I believe that one day on each side of the election is dry. That means from midnight Friday to midnight Monday. I have seen beer served at restaurants on Monday evenings. The bars in CTG especially LDV will open at midnight on Monday. They may not bother opening in MDE on Monday night.
I am not a night person and don't drink. So I am not aware of any alternatives. I am perfectly happy going to bed early. Things in general seem very quiet during elections. If you don't like quiet, I suggest that you change your plans.[/QUOTE]
So grab a chica and keep her from Friday midnight to midnight Monday... given everything is closed I would think the chicas may love a hook up like that and give you a rate.... have them invite a friend after the first night... buy some meals and have your own party... get the fridge stocked if you have one....
Well I finally booked my first trip to Colombia. And decided on Cartagena since its my first time and I'm going solo. If any of you guys are gonna be around lets hook up. I'll buy first round at LDV
Wapo..When are you going to be in CTG? I'm supposed to be there on June2nd/3rd , staying for a week. Tom..I hope we can link up also when I'm there.
I leave CTG for MDE on June 9. Then it's back to the US on June 14 for about a 4-month break. The old equipment needs the R & R.
[QUOTE=Wapo469]Well I finally booked my first trip to Colombia. And decided on Cartagena since its my first time and I'm going solo. If any of you guys are gonna be around lets hook up. I'll buy first round at LDV[/QUOTE]
of chicas or drinks?
[QUOTE=Escort King]of chicas or drinks?[/QUOTE]LOL. Well I meant drinks. But if someone can hook me up with a wild time. Then I can hook up a first round of chicas too. Damn tom33. Too bad you won't be in town. Was hoping to hook up with you in Cartagena
Nice to meet you in Ctg.Had an awesome visit and enjoyed all the chicas.You the man...fellas this guy had a gorgeous chica in his shower when I went to see him,he stays busy...........mule69
And I had to stop shooting the video of her shower when Mule knocked on my door. I have a shower enclosed in clear glass in the master bath. I gladly paid extra for that clear glass.
Actually they are sucking the life out of me one load at a time. But what a way to go!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]And I had to stop shooting the video of her shower when Mule knocked on my door. I have a shower enclosed in clear glass in the master bath. I gladly paid extra for that clear glass.
Money well spent amigo! What a body she had! I miss it there already and plan to return soon..Yeah I know it's a tough job Tom...but keep up the good work,I can only imagine the babes you will meet in Medellin.......Lucky bastard!!!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]And I had to stop shooting the video of her shower when Mule knocked on my door. I have a shower enclosed in clear glass in the master bath. I gladly paid extra for that clear glass.
Actually they are sucking the life out of me one load at a time. But what a way to go![/QUOTE]
Mule's got to be a tough name in Colombia....
I'm going to be there with a friend of mine by the 2nd. Wapo..when will you be there?..I will take you up on that first round of drinks. Just provide me on where we can meet and what time exactly..also Tom, you are the man with all the great info for a newbie like myself coming to CTG for the first time...it would be nice to link up with you before you head out to MDE on June 9th. If you want to send me an e-mail directly, it's [email]ccstev@yahoo.com[/email]
Skyjuice,
The 30-35k/night hotels I was referring to on the backside of Boca Grande have A/C. In fact the A/C works almost too good. You wake up freezing, after your chica has yanked all the sheets over her and off of you. No hot water though. But in CTG who needs hot water?
Just a thought if you are still looking. It's the best alternatice I have found in CTG for being central, with A/C, and not being in a dump. There are actually 2 of them right next to each other by the Olimpica. I know one of them is run by an Argentian family. They aren't 5 star. But heck. You only sleep there. If you want a place where you think you are just going to hang out in the hotel or apartment all day, I recommend one of Mery or Juan's rentals. In fact I'd probably recommend you do that on your first trip anyways as it will seem more "special". But as you get the urge to go back and back and back, as we all do. Lodging is absolutely the #1 thing I try to budget as much as possible.
[QUOTE=Skyjuice]I'm going to be there with a friend of mine by the 2nd. Wapo..when will you be there?..I will take you up on that first round of drinks. Just provide me on where we can meet and what time exactly..also Tom, you are the man with all the great info for a newbie like myself coming to CTG for the first time...it would be nice to link up with you before you head out to MDE on June 9th. If you want to send me an e-mail directly, it's [email]ccstev@yahoo.com[/email][/QUOTE]
I'll be in CTG starting on the 10th, booked a place via Juan Ventura in a great building in Laquito (i.e. roll out of LDV, end up at apartment). Will be there for two weeks, with a small MDE trip in the middle.
This site, as well as CH, has been invaluable in my research, have compiled a 200 page document on all aspects of CTG and MDE, based on what I read. Though reality is never what you expect, I feel like I'm not going in blind or naive.
So it'd be great to to hook up with any of you who will be there at that time.
PM, I'll be there with my GF in Colombia during Memrial Day weekend Thurs - Mon. I'm staying at the AFA apartment
Eddie
[QUOTE=Nyorker]Fellow mates,
If I am not wrong, there aren't any meters in the cabs and I would have to negotiate a rate before getting in a cab. If that is true, then I got 2 problems.
(1) My first solo time to cartegena and I don't speak spanish.
(2) How would I negotiate if I don't know how much is reasonable. (Like going to LDV etc...)
Is there a way other then hiring a guide services? if No, then pls recommend guide services. I have heard horrible stories both of getting ripped off by cabies and guide services. Plz suggest.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Definitely don't hire a guide.
The touts on the beach are pretty annoying. Hiring a guide is like inviting the worst kind of tout to tag along with you all day. You can expect him to screw everything up that you want to do.
Any transaction you want to do, he will jump in and try and figure out a way to make you pay more for it, thus guaranteeing himself a commission. Stuff you don't want to do, he will keep recommending over and over again, once again angling for a commission.
Just don't do it.
Yes, taxis are a hassle, only cause they are always trying to fool you one way or another. The good news is you can usually do without them. If you stay in Laguito and Bocagrande you can walk places. Between Centro (old town) and Laguito is a fixed price, 4000 pesos if I remember rightly. Just show him 4k in banknotes before you get in and say "Centro". Done.
I prefer not to take the taxis parked outside of LDV at night, they are more likely to try to jack the price up and generally jerk you around. Wait for a taxi to drive by and hail it.
You should not find it too difficult to monger in LDV by yourself. If you get really stuck try to get another monger to guide you, and you buy the drinks.
My golden rule for negotiating is never ask her a price. Tell her "I want you to stay x hours, and my special requests are A, B, and C. I usually pay 100k, is that OK?". I usually wait until I have some sort of chemistry going with her before I try and close the deal.
I managed to pull a girl out of there each night for that price. If you have to stick to English speaking girls you may have to pay a bit more, but not too much more, I hope.
Cachorro,
Thanx for the insight, I will be staying around laguito area and I am brushing up my Spanish, just downloaded 30 hours of Primseler's mp3s, don't know if I will be able to learn all of it. I won't be hiring a guide related services as you suggested. I got a lot of valuable information for this forum and feel pretty confident too.
One more quick question for Cachorro and fellow mates,
Have you tried Mery Salence rental? I m planning to get apt.403 in Torre Centauro in laguito area, is it close to the action? any suggestion?
or
Juan Ventura apt# Cr704?
[url]http://www.venpro.net/fotosapartamentos/index.htm[/url]
fellas...i'm officially booked to fly with avianca. i will be in ctg on the evening of june 2nd to june 11th. i will be there with a buddy of mine. although i've been to the dominican republic several times with my 5th grade spanish, i have a feeling that d.r will be pale in comparison to ctg. tom, thanks for the speedy e-mail and valuable info. i look forward to linking up with you when i get in. wapo, if you're around at that time..let me know. you got first rounds on drinks..haha. i know most of you have been real good about responding to us newbies eventho we (newbies) should take the time and look back into the archives for the info. i've been guilty of that many times..just laziness i guess but now that i'm officially heading out to ctg, i have at least 3 weeks to go back into the earlier posts and soak up some of that great info. thanks guys !!!
sky
Both Mery and Juan are good quality people with good apartments to rent.
Juan speaks good english and I believe Mery speaks some as well.
Torre Centauro is a good building within walking distance to La Dolce Vita, most of Juans rentals are also in "Laguito", which is where you want to be.
Work on your spanish, that will be your biggest obstacle, but hopefully it won't be enough of a problem to keep you from having a good time...
FYI- Both Juan and Mery speak good English, although neither are native speakers.
Juan's first language was Catalan, and Mery's was Farsi.
Thanx guys. There is an ocean view room on Mery's website for 60 usd/night, I guess, I will take that. She didn't ask me for the credit card info but reserved it, I guess, that's the way it is in Cartegena.
The spanish learning mp3s are killing me.
I'm borrowing my friend's electronic pocket translater..it's pretty handy and easy to use. I think he picked it up at Radio Shack. It even says the words for you in spanish so you can get the correct pronounciation. cool stuff.
Mery is great..she reserved a 2 bed for me but hasnt asked for any deposit yet. I need to confirm with her on this method.
C'mon June 2nd !!!!..I'm ready to hit CTG.
Far as I know neither Mery nor Juan takes credit cards. You pay cash up front. Also, you generally pay the maid directly for service. There is no tax to be paid on the rental.
TRAVEL FROM SAN JOSE TO CARTAGENA OR ISLA SAN ANDRES CHEAP!
If you want to see Costa Rica AND Colombia, here's a tip:
A Tico friend pointed me to
[url]www.destinostv.com[/url]
They often, but not always, have super-cheap charter flights and packages to Cartagena & Isla San Andres.
They charter a whle TACA jet a couple of times a week, and sell packages with hotel for much less than the airfare would cost you otherwise. The plane stops each way in Cartagena and Isla San Andres. You do pay airport tax coming and going CR and Colombia about $25 each. They also have some other interesting specials on the website to various destinations. Highly recommended. You have to pay with credit card or bank transfer, and you don't get your ticket til you get to the SJO airport, which made me nervous. But they have a stand right next to the TACA counter on days they do flights and everything went as smooth as butter. They handed me my boarding passes and vouchers. The "all-inclusive" hotel was right on the beach in San Andres, and had once been once, but was really run down (no hot water, phone broken) and the "all-inclusive" meant stale sandwiches and for some reason all you could drink OLD MILWAUKI beer, LOL, but heck it was virtually free. Isla San Andres is a beautiful tropical island which belongs to Colombia, very small, mostly black people who speak some English. No major action there, pretty much BYOG. VERY few gringos, mostly Colombians and Panamanians on vacation. completely safe they search the fuck out of you when you arrive to keep weapons off the island. Check it out.
I had couple of questions about Cartagena and I was hoping I could get some good feedbacks. I'm 24 years old, some people say I caught on too quick, but what can I say I love beautiful women. I have been to Bangkok couple of times and I finally was fortunate enough to experience DR and BM in Costa Rica this past winter. I was planning a trip to Cartagena, but I was warned by my travel agency that Cartagena could be dangerous and chaotic. Here are some of my questions.
1. I'm a Asian-American with a US passport. I heard US citizens don't need a visa to enter Colombia. Can someone tell me exactly how this works? Is it easy like going into Bangkok or San jose? Do the customs ask you questions if you travel alone from US to Colombia?
2. I was planning a trip by myself. Is it dangerous for me to travel alone?
3. I have met beautiful Colombians in my past trip to SJO. Mongering was quite easy and accessible, but how does Cartagena compare to the atmosphere of Thailand or Costa Rica.
4. BKK was more GFE oriented than sjo. How are the girls in Cartagena? Is greek and cim plentiful?
1. It works like going Costa Rica or Bangkok. You don't need a visa. Colombian immigration probably won't ask you anything. U.S. immigration may ask you why you went to Colombia. You could probably tell them you were there to bang a lot of hookers and they wouldn't care, but the perverts might make a point of looking through images on your digital camera or laptop. I'm shy and usually say something like visiting some girls I met on the internet.
2. In my opinion, it's not particularly dangerous. Certainly not as safe as Bangkok, and maybe about the same or a little worse than San Jose. You would want to use some common sense. Late at night stay away from deserted areas and stick to Laguito, Boca Grande, and Old City for example.
3. It's not as user friendly as SJO or BKK. Meaning that you don't have a ton of massage parlors, hooker bars, etc., with everyone speaking English. Cartagena is definitely not as easy or accessible to the non-Spanish speaker. Also, infrastructure isn't as well develop -- unless you're staying at the Santa Clara, you're going to know you're in a 3rd world country. That's not the case IMHO so much in San Jose, and certainly not in Bangkok. There are lots of touts in Cartagena, and most of the people are poor.
4. I'd put CTG and BKK at about the same level in terms of GFE, definitely much better than San Jose. But my Spanish is reasonably good -- that might make a difference. In terms of stunners, I'd give the edge to San Jose and Bangkok. You will find more 10's in the Blue Marlin in San Jose than anywhere in Cartagena, although the BM chicas are a lot more likely to have an attitude. The hooker bar in Cartagena with the most stunners is La Dolce Vita, IMHO. Some peope would disagree and say Pleboy. Anyway, there are probably 20+ places in Bangkok (e.g., Rainbow 2, Rainbow 4, Rachadapisek massage parlors) that would rank with the La Dolce Vita in terms of the number of stunners.
If you like old Spanish architecture, you'll love Cartagena, there's nothing like the old city. If your Spanish is poor or if you're looking for first world standards, you may be disappointed. If you're just going for the sex, SJO and BKK are better destinations, IMHO.
I wouldn't even mention SJO in the same breath as CTG. The chicas in CTG are hotter, much better performers, and cheaper. You can walk around anywhere in the tourist zone(Laguito, Bocagrande, Castillo Grande, and Centro) of CTG alone at any time of the day or night without worry. I wouldn't try that in SJO.
When I was on the plane to CTG from SJO for my first visit, I met a guy who told me that I'd never return to SJO. That was 3 1/2 years ago. He was right.
A buddy of mine with a Chinese father loves it in CTG. Of course his mother is Honduran. He does prefer Sao Paolo, though.
I'll agree they're cheaper. Try walking around in Torices or Getsemani at about 2:00 AM.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]1. It works like going Costa Rica or Bangkok. You don't need a visa. Colombian immigration probably won't ask you anything. U.S. immigration may ask you why you went to Colombia. You could probably tell them you were there to bang a lot of hookers and they wouldn't care, but the perverts might make a point of looking through images on your digital camera or laptop. I'm shy and usually say something like visiting some girls I met on the internet.
2. In my opinion, it's not particularly dangerous. Certainly not as safe as Bangkok, and maybe about the same or a little worse than San Jose. You would want to use some common sense. Late at night stay away from deserted areas and stick to Laguito, Boca Grande, and Old City for example.
3. It's not as user friendly as SJO or BKK. Meaning that you don't have a ton of massage parlors, hooker bars, etc., with everyone speaking English. Cartagena is definitely not as easy or accessible to the non-Spanish speaker. Also, infrastructure isn't as well develop -- unless you're staying at the Santa Clara, you're going to know you're in a 3rd world country. That's not the case IMHO so much in San Jose, and certainly not in Bangkok. There are lots of touts in Cartagena, and most of the people are poor.
4. I'd put CTG and BKK at about the same level in terms of GFE, definitely much better than San Jose. But my Spanish is reasonably good -- that might make a difference. In terms of stunners, I'd give the edge to San Jose and Bangkok. You will find more 10's in the Blue Marlin in San Jose than anywhere in Cartagena, although the BM chicas are a lot more likely to have an attitude. The hooker bar in Cartagena with the most stunners is La Dolce Vita, IMHO. Some peope would disagree and say Pleboy. Anyway, there are probably 20+ places in Bangkok (e.g., Rainbow 2, Rainbow 4, Rachadapisek massage parlors) that would rank with the La Dolce Vita in terms of the number of stunners.
If you like old Spanish architecture, you'll love Cartagena, there's nothing like the old city. If your Spanish is poor or if you're looking for first world standards, you may be disappointed. If you're just going for the sex, SJO and BKK are better destinations, IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Most stunners in the Hotel del rey? Are you shitting Me??????
They are mostly retreads....
CTG has more hot chicas hands down.....
What can I say? I like implants. On a busy night I'd rank the top 5 in the Blue Marlin higher than the top 5 in LDV in terms of looks. This is partly because there are more women in Blue Marlin. You'll get no argument from me that cost and service on average are better in Cartagena. Although I've been with a couple of ice queens in Cartagena, and some really nice women in San Jose. And an hour with a woman in Zona Blue in San Jose, with the facilities, will run less than an hour with many of the women from LDV.
From where I live, it takes 5 hours to get to San Jose and 12 hours to get to Cartagena. And it costs more to go to Colombia. For people in the same boat that's another point in San Jose's favor.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]What can I say? I like implants. On a busy night I'd rank the top 5 in the Blue Marlin higher than the top 5 in LDV in terms of looks. This is partly because there are more women in Blue Marlin. As a veteran of over 12 trips to San Jose I will probably leave it as that ...a dozen. IMHO Cartagena has much more going for it,,,,and SAFER too.The quality in the DEl Rey is great no doubt but the attitudes are not.LDV is the same quality wise but cheaper.Ctg has the beach and is cleaner.San Jose is fucking boring in the day.Personally I hope Americans stay scared....mule
you wrote: Personally I hope Americans stay scared....mule
So why do you then post that Cartagena is safer than San Jose? Why not agree with Tiny and write "Tiny is correct; no reason to go to Colombia when San Jose is SO much safer and easier to get to. Costa Rica ROCKS!".
In this case there is no harm so no foul. Cartagena is no secret Eden.
I am NOT singling you out mule. This post is more meant to cause people to THINK before posting. Say somebody discovers another place even better than Cartagena. While the natural inclination of most of us, myself included, is to share the knowledge, in hindsight I believe most ADVENTUROUS TYPES will realize that inclination is pure folly. Because the primary thing that makes a mongering venue special, lack of gringos willing to overpay, will no longer be the case once critical mass develops on this (or other public access) board.
I say this because I have really come to lament my contribution to the hyping of Cali. And now Cali has become MUCH more like Cartagena than I could have ever imagined. I thought that the lack of tourist attractions and English speakers, coupled with the bad reputation for violence, would be sufficient deterrent to the masses of gringo sex tourists who fantacize about Colombia. I was, sadly, wrong.
For the sport of finding lady companionship, Cart., hands down. I have been to both places at least 5 times each. The best looking babes in Blue Marlin are Colombian anyway, so why not just go to Colombia. They want to charge a 100 bucks for a quickie. Thats insane! I can afford it, but that would qualify me as being insane. I have also been to all the massage places too, nothing to write home about. Only gfe you might get are from some ticas, and I am latin, and you still have to work it to get gfe. I will say that Costa Rica has many things going for it if you are into adventurous physical activities and and hiking and so forth, as I am. Ticas and Ticos are also very friendly folks.
Now, even though Cartagena is not my favorite place to meet ladies in Colombia, its still worth visiting. The ladies, in my opinion, are way better looking than most ticas, and worse case scenerio are just as pretty. Just as there are many ladies from different parts of Colombia in San Jose, they also flock to Cartagena as well( Similiar to how many ladies from all over Brasil go to Rio to meet tourists). In Cartagena(LDV), there just as many babes that are cheaper, not cheap, but way cheaper than the Del Rey scene. Also, they are ten times more likely to give you a gfe( if thats your thing ) in Cartagena as compared to San Jose, in particular the Marlin Bar.
As for day activities, Cartagena is full of bitches, pardon me, beaches, even though they are nothing to get excited about, but its a place to hangout, get a tan, and meet a girly. San Jose does not have a beach. But again, SJ has way better sight seeing activities(Volcanoes, Craters, rainforest, etc.) than Cart. But no beaches.
As for safety, must becareful no matter where you go, but San Jose is more dangerous at night time as compared to Cart.
I enjoy both places for different reasons, and I will go back someday, but not anytime soon. I am busy learning about, and enjoying other destinations right now. My two cents worth. Have fun, stay safe, and never fall in love! :)
[QUOTE=Mangera]For the sport of finding lady companionship, Cart., hands down. I have been to both places at least 5 times each. The best looking babes in Blue Marlin are Colombian anyway, so why not just go to Colombia. They want to charge a 100 bucks for a quickie. Thats insane! I can afford it, but that would qualify me as being insane. I have also been to all the massage places too, nothing to write home about. Only gfe you might get are from some ticas, and I am latin, and you still have to work it to get gfe. I will say that Costa Rica has many things going for it if you are into adventurous physical activities and and hiking and so forth, as I am. Ticas and Ticos are also very friendly folks.
Now, even though Cartagena is not my favorite place to meet ladies in Colombia, its still worth visiting. The ladies, in my opinion, are way better looking than most ticas, and worse case scenerio are just as pretty. Just as there are many ladies from different parts of Colombia in San Jose, they also flock to Cartagena as well( Similiar to how many ladies from all over Brasil go to Rio to meet tourists). In Cartagena(LDV), there just as many babes that are cheaper, not cheap, but way cheaper than the Del Rey scene. Also, they are ten times more likely to give you a gfe( if thats your thing ) in Cartagena as compared to San Jose, in particular the Marlin Bar.
As for day activities, Cartagena is full of bitches, pardon me, beaches, even though they are nothing to get excited about, but its a place to hangout, get a tan, and meet a girly. San Jose does not have a beach. But again, SJ has way better sight seeing activities(Volcanoes, Craters, rainforest, etc.) than Cart. But no beaches.
As for safety, must becareful no matter where you go, but San Jose is more dangerous at night time as compared to Cart.
I enjoy both places for different reasons, and I will go back someday, but not anytime soon. I am busy learning about, and enjoying other destinations right now. My two cents worth. Have fun, stay safe, and never fall in love! :)[/QUOTE]
San Jose is 2 hrs away from the beach( jaco) which is a dump. an hour away by car from Paos volcano, where CTG is an hour and a half from santa marta which has very nice beaches. Colombians in my opinion are in some ways more honest than the ticos, whom deep down hate us. Form my experience working and living in CR., other than that you have hit all other points. well done.
I was in CTG in January, my first time, and lamentably, before I discovered this excellent forum.
My pal and I took a chiva on a Friday night, and it finished at a 2nd story bar with a balcony directly in front of the clock tower. At the end of the official festivities, the guide asked us if we wanted to meet some women. We responded "of course."
He then took us to some standard looking bar, no more than two blocks pretty much straight down a street from the other bar. It also was on a second story, up a staircase with a 90 degree bend in it. That bar had a handfull of working girls, but also seemed to be hosting some regular groups of folks as well.
Can anyone tell me the name of the place where we were?
For the record, inside the guide introduced us to some english-speaking guy who would "take care of us." My pal quickly met a friend, negotiated a deal, and split. He had a fabulous experience.
I was not so lucky; long story short, 2 hrs later and after getting a bill for a 195,000 peso short bottle of Old Parr (or whatever it's called), I realized I was getting scammed and split alone. At least I got an eyeful of my pal's hot-bodied friend waltzing around the hotel room the next morning.
You were at La Tripletera.
The first place nearer the clock tower was probably Tu Candela, but there are several other clubs on the plaza that match that description.
I'm kind of playing devil's advocate, as I agree with some of your criticisms of my original post. But since nobody's taking the other side, here are some rhetorical questions.
1. Do you speak Spanish? If not, do you think you'd still be getting great GFE with chicas in Cartagena?
2. Do you like hot, humid weather? Sweating like a pig?
3. Do you like ugly beaches?
4. Do you like being molested about every 30 seconds by someone who wants money?
5. How fast can you get to Cartagena, versus San Jose? If you've got good connections to Miami from where you live, I guess it's not so bad, assuming you can travel on the 3 days a week when Avianca has a nonstop. Otherwise you're looking at overnighting in Bogota or Miami, spending many hours in the airport in Panama, or maybe if you're lucky and don't miss any connections you can make it in a day.
6. Given "5", does it make a lot of sense for a non-Spanish speaker to go to Cartagena just to bang the most attractive women there? That is, does it make sense to go there to have sex with women from Medellin, Manizales, etc., when you can have sex with women from the same places in San Jose or Panama? O.K., true, if you speak Spanish you'll probably have more GFE in Cartagena. But if you don't, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do after you finish the deed.
7. Have you gotten sick from the water or food in Cartagena? I spent some time in the hospital there as a result. You can drink tap water in Costa Rica and Panama. I wouldn't try that in Cartagena.
8. Do you really think the regular women from Cartagena (not the hookers from other cities) are more attractive that the average Latina? (I don't.)
9. Are the regular women from Cartagena as likely to go out with you when all their neighbors are wondering what their sweet little friend is doing with an extranjero ( which = monger in Cartagena)?
10. And, with regard to the original question, about Cartagena vs. San Jose and Bangkok. This is addressed to anybody who's been to Cartagena and Bangkok and thinks Cartagena is better for MONGERING (not finding a girlfriend). Are you nuts?
Point taken and understood."I hope Americans stay scared" was not directed at readers of this board but mainly for the masses of gringos who have ruined CR.never read this forum and will never go to Colombia.Besides if I would have said "mucho peligro y chicas fea"no one would believe that!I have taken pains to speak some spanish and although not a must it surely has helped my trips.When I was in CTG a couple of weeks ago it was 3 days before I heard any english (minus Juan and the T.V.) Yes I realize that Cartagena is no secret but compared to San Jose it was awesome....YMMV..........mule
First, I find it very sad when others write comments like " I Hope American's stay scared." I mean places like Brazil, Colombia, etc... are going to change either way. If the economy itself improves it wouldn't take a bunch of gringo's to increase the cost of women in these countries. I for one haven't been to Colombia but when I visit soon I will pay what others here think is a fair and get the information I need from the regulars who visit the area.
Also I haven't been to Costa Rica, or Colombia as I just mentioned, but from the girls I have meet in person to the pictures I see here and other sites I can't see Costa Rica being close to Colombia. I am not into heavier girls and that is what I always notice about the CR girls, reminds of crappy Tijuana! I know everyone has there own preferences, like I think Brazilian and EE girls are the prettiest, so it is cool. At the same time though I believe there are certain features and qualities in women that represent beauty worldwide. I mean I am a semi-pro photographer and have shot some amazing women from all over the world and there are things you notice over and over with these girls. Still, maybe some people like fat chicks but I would doubt it is the majority of guys or else models such as Adriana Lima wouldn't be so sought after on every continent. Just my opinion :)
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]where CTG is an hour and a half from santa marta which has very nice beaches.[/QUOTE]
If you plan to get to Santa Marta in and hour and a half you better be in an airplane. It's 4 hours by car and any flights to SM from CTG have to go to Bogota first.
[QUOTE=Beavis]If you plan to get to Santa Marta in and hour and a half you better be in an airplane. It's 4 hours by car and any flights to SM from CTG have to go to Bogota first.[/QUOTE]
My bad. BAQ is about 1 1/2 hrs to 2 hrs. beavis is correct.
[QUOTE=California Guy]First, I find it very sad when others write comments like " I Hope American's stay scared." I mean places like Brazil, Colombia, etc... are going to change either way. If the economy itself improves it wouldn't take a bunch of gringo's to increase the cost of women in these countries. I for one haven't been to Colombia but when I visit soon I will pay what others here think is a fair and get the information I need from the regulars who visit the area.
Also I haven't been to Costa Rica, or Colombia as I just mentioned, but from the girls I have meet in person to the pictures I see here and other sites I can't see Costa Rica being close to Colombia. I am not into heavier girls and that is what I always notice about the CR girls, reminds of crappy Tijuana! I know everyone has there own preferences, like I think Brazilian and EE girls are the prettiest, so it is cool. At the same time though I believe there are certain features and qualities in women that represent beauty worldwide. I mean I am a semi-pro photographer and have shot some amazing women from all over the world and there are things you notice over and over with these girls. Still, maybe some people like fat chicks but I would doubt it is the majority of guys or else models such as Adriana Lima wouldn't be so sought after on every continent. Just my opinion :)[/QUOTE] I find it sad that you form an opinion of places you have never even been!Believe me there are some smoking hot girls in Costa Rica as well as Colombia.Why not see them personally instead of judging from others pictures!
Hi,
are the apartments at [url]http://www.cartagenaapartments.com/[/url] chica-friendly?
And second, how likely are the girls to steal from my apartment? In Dominican Republic, the girls doubled as professional thieves, and I must say that actually they were much better at stealing than anything else...
I don't think that those apartments are for short-term rental. These are [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url], and they are chica-friendly.
I haven't had much of a theft problem. But I am vigilant. If you never tempt an honest chica, you will always have an honest chica.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I don't think that those apartments are for short-term rental. These are [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url], and they are chica-friendly.
I haven't had much of a theft problem. But I am vigilant. If you never tempt an honest chica, you will always have an honest chica.[/QUOTE]
Thanks God,
It drove me crazy in DR. I busted them with their hands in my drawers, in my pants, everywhere. You had to specially prepare your apartment for their arrival, they would take ANYTHING...
Their favorite number is negotiating an all-nighter and then disappear in the middle of the night with the loot...one time in Sosua I was staying at a rather expensive place, and I heard knocking on my door at 4 am, it was the night guard that caught the girl trying to run for it with her pockets full...
Anyways...
Ok I'll try the zepelion. Still, I got off the phone with cartagena apartments and they were OK for one week. Would you guys know if I will have to do the walk of shame in case I rent from them?
I am in CTG now and need to know the best places to go. Please help.
Hoyaboy - RTFF.
Free - I know nothing about Cartagena Apartments. It would depend upon where the particular apartment is located. Also, each building makes its own rules. Some buildings will not allow guests.
I don't allow a chica that I don't know well to stay over night. And you cannot get out of my building at night unless the security guard unlocks the door and lets you out. Also, all guests are logged in and must show ID.
Freedick, it looks like cartagenaapartments.com rents a lot in El Conquistador. This is chica friendly. Although I've never been up the elevators, I've heard many of the apts. are dumpy. You do have to walk right by a bunch of people who hang around the entrance of the building and also some shops, but otherwise no walk of shame. If you'd be renting elsewhere I'd ask them -- you'd be taking a risk at their castillo grande properties.
Tom 33's recommendation, Zepelion, is a better bet. My recommendation would be to use Mery Salence -- she is agent for some primo apartments and offers great customer service. She babysat me in the hospital once when I was renting one of her apts. Mery's web site is [url]http://www.colombiarental.com/rentals/index.htm[/url]. Zepelion and Mery will have no problem finding a chica-friendly place for you.
Agree with Tom 33 regarding theft. But the only bad girl I've left unattended for long stretches had more to lose by stealing from me than she had to gain.
El Conquistador is no longer chica friendly. They will simply not allow any chicas of working age to enter, period. They may still rent to working girls. So you can do the deed if you find one who lives in the building. One friend of mine moved out of the building because of this change and lost a good part of the rent he had pre-paid. Another friend was asked to leave. The association is trying to clean up what has become a blight on Laguito. I wish them luck.
Mery is great as well.
Clean up the el conquistador. That's funny! The whole main street in Laguito is a walk of shame. It is just one little street where the locals hang out, some small restaurants, and some apartment bldgs. Imagine fat, 50 year old gringos walking hand in hand with 18 year old girls. Laguito has now gotten a bad rep. My girlfriend insists on meeting in Bocagrande.
When I live there, I have the girls meet me at my apartment as much as possible. LDV is at the end of the block so you would think the girls wouldn't get lost (has happened).
[QUOTE=Tom 33]El Conquistador is no longer chica friendly. They will simply not allow any chicas of working age to enter, period. They may still rent to working girls. So you can do the deed if you find one who lives in the building. One friend of mine moved out of the building because of this change and lost a good part of the rent he had pre-paid. Another friend was asked to leave. The association is trying to clean up what has become a blight on Laguito. I wish them luck.
Mery is great as well.[/QUOTE]
Crap!
I've already paid deposit....On the other hand, I am the kind of person that easily picks up a non-pro at the disco, I can't imagine not being able to go to my apartment with a regular girl...or not?
Not. There is no brand for regular girls. How on earth would they know? Many regular girls dress quite provocatively. That's why I love it here.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Not. There is no brand for regular girls. How on earth would they know? Many regular girls dress quite provocatively. That's why I love it here.[/QUOTE] .....Hmmm,I wonder why!!You gonna be around 7/1?Looks like I'll be your neighbor again for a couple of weeks.I need to go over your photo collection again!!LOL.How is your "shower Girl"?PM me if you get a chance.....mule
Hello!
Does anybody know if there are short time hotels in Cartagena.
Thanks,
Buttlover
Yes, there are a few short time hotels to be found.
There are a couple right next to each other, about a 10 minute drive from the centre. "La Jaiba" and "La Cangreja". I recommend La Jaiba, get the nicer room, instead of the standard one.
These motels charge by the hour (about 16k per). So you kind of feel that the clock is ticking as you go. They do not have a price for 3 hours or 6 hours like in other cities.
They are also quite busy (sometimes need to wait a moment for a room on a busy evening) and the taxi drivers will always try and take advantage of you when you negotiate a price to go there and back.
Tom, I'm gearing up for my trip...if anyone else is going to be down there from June 2nd-June 11th, let me know. Got myself and my buddy a 2bedroom thru the highly recommended Mery...she seems cool..so far.
Would that be [url]http://www.lajaiba.net/index.php[/url] ??
[QUOTE=Biffy]Would that be [url]http://www.lajaiba.net/index.php[/url] ??[/QUOTE]
Yes!
Remember, these places are 10 mins from Centro, but on the OTHER side of Centro from Laguito and Bocagrande.
I found it was better value having an apartment walking distance from LDV in Laguito. That way you can transfer the good vibes straight from LDV into your bedroom.
With the motel, you need to ride in the taxi for 15 minutes, have the obligatory heated discussion with the taxi driver as he attempts to overcharge you, then sometimes wait 5 or 10 minutes while they find a room for you at the motel. This has the potential to dampen the good mood you had at the club. And once you have stepped out of LDV, your sweet companion will be counting all this time in transit as session time.
There are other short time motels right in Bocagrande. I have not tried those and can't report. I tried those two motels on the edge of town at the recommendation of LDV girls.
CC el Pueblito is on San Martin about 4 blocks from LDV. I think they get 15K per hour with no AC and 20K with AC. A friend of mine has used them. There are more choices within several blocks. Just ask around.
"And once you have stepped out of LDV, your sweet companion will be counting all this time in transit as session time."
In one sentence, you summed up all that is NOW wrong with mongering in Laguito.
[QUOTE=Surfer]"And once you have stepped out of LDV, your sweet companion will be counting all this time in transit as session time."
In one sentence, you summed up all that is NOW wrong with mongering in Laguito.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I deny that Laguito has gone to hell.
I was expecting poor attitude and service. The reality was, I had an excellent time in Cartagena and didn't want to leave.
I had a couple of girls who weren't that service oriented, but even then I got an excellent experience with a beautiful girl for 100k.
Other times I got an overall great performance... one LDV girl stayed overnight, we went a round in the morning, then she cooked up some delicious huevos rancheros for breakfast.
Surfer, maybe you could post something in your personal experience that backs up what you think... when was the last time you were in Laguito? What exactly was wrong with it?
I agree that prices are up (even the police outside LDV say the standard price is 150k now). I am lucky that compensating for that, I now know how to speak Spanish, dance with the girls and handle them better. So I still get good experiences for less.
Anyway, you already told us your conviction about not advertising a good thing. Perhaps you still like it but just want to paint a poor picture of it so that others don't want to visit?
If anyone can help me rent a furnished apartment in barranquilla for one month starting dec/21 . please let me know . I prefer around the area of Puerta del Sol Hotel vicinity or el prado but not any further from these neighbourhoods.
Thanx
[QUOTE=Cachorro]Yes. I deny that Laguito has gone to hell.
I agree that prices are up (even the police outside LDV say the standard price is 150k now). I am lucky that compensating for that, I now know how to speak Spanish, dance with the girls and handle them better. So I still get good experiences for less.
Anyway, you already told us your conviction about not advertising a good thing. Perhaps you still like it but just want to paint a poor picture of it so that others don't want to visit?[/QUOTE]I assume 150K is short time. Can you give a ballpark for TLN out of LDV. I speak little spanish. Just trying to get a sense of current rates for my trip in August 2006.
For info girl prices in my last trip,April.
LDV
One night 1 girl TLN 180.000 COP
One night 1 girl TLN 150.000 COP
TRIPLETERA
One night 1 girl TLN 150.000 COP ( after the first shot, she wanted to leave me and she wanted to go again to disco for more "money". I gave her 100.000 COP. For my ST.
One night 1 girl TLN 150.000 COP . (next day I was with same girl and price).
One night 1 girl TLN 150.000 COP (next day I was with same girl and price).
MIAMI DISCO
One night 1 girl TLN 150.000 COP but 180.000 COP if I was interesting in anal service.
This it is my brief report on the average of prices.
As information I must say that I speak the Spanish perfectly
Did a dupla last night with two chicas who work in the LDV. They were complaining that there are very few guys coming to the LDV now.
I mentioned this to a friend today who also lives here. It was his opinion that the lack of business serves them right. He lives across the street from LDV. He won't go there. He doesn't like the hassle and outrageous price quotes. Of course he can, and does, walk outside his building and find a good selection on the street for 60K.
I just got back for having a bowl of soup. Two smokin' street chicas waylaid me on the trip home. I had them for dessert for 60K each.
Conclusion: Laguito has certainly not gone to hell, but the LDV may be heading in that direction. Very few of us who live here spend very much time in the LDV.
[QUOTE=Tom 33] They were complaining that there are very few guys coming to the LDV now.
Music to my ears Tom! I hope it stays that way til I arrive in June!
I was told that Manila House opens at noon. I headed there at around 2:30 and the place looked closed. Went inside and found a single cute lady there. The guy there knocked on some doors and woke the other girls. They were none too quick to come out. One gave me a real nasty glare.
In the end went with the woman who was already awake. 70k for her, 50k to the house. Unlike the rest of the place, the room we had our session in was extremely clean and nice. I´d be willing to go back.
My friend owns an aprtment there and says VERY quiet lately. Maybe the election deterred some visitors. Despite his kissing up to the Great Satan, I like Uribe and understand why Colombia needs a hardliner. I also feel Colombia is a special case; a conservative Bush ally in any other Latin nation is NOT somebody I would support.
Re the streetgirls around the block with La Perla Casino & LDV, I saw none last trip but in the past got some GREAT chicas (still sweet and unhardened) there for 50K (plus I tip for good service). Heard the police were hassling the SWs that used to congregate around that block.
The election did quiet things. But it is always slow this time of year. In 3 weeks things pick up again for school vacation.
The police have always enforced the laws against street solicitation. Discretion is the key.
You me and tomtom are the only ones who think there are any street chicas in CTG that aren't drug craving skanks.
I had one of my best experiences ever with a little cutie I found there. 5 foot tall, 95 pounds of adorable GFE. All night was 50K.
But I must have dreamed it. All the street chicas are skanks, what am I thinking...
Tom..I´m here..just got in this evening..kinda feeling a bit under the weather with this allergy but I´m not gonna let it stop me..I´m here with my friend, Duane..hit me back..let me know where we can link up...that goes for anyone else here too in CTG..newbie needs guidance..lol
I tried calling a lady who gave me her number from Manila House, but unfortunately I didnt have sufficient Spanish to convince her to visit my apartment. I was working under the assumption that it´d be 260k pesos for 24 hours.
Instead I hit up Club Rocio, one of the casas in the Bruselas neighborhood of Cartagena. I met a sweet-seeming hot lady named Carolina from Medellin and paid 280k for TLN. She seemed very amiable, and said she could stay til 4pm the next day, "no problem."
While there I saw around 6 or so other women, many of them doable. There were also a pair of tall light skinned identical twins! The cat house´s house cat is named Natasha.
Initially had a good time with Carolina, but she seemed to get tired of chatting and screwing. She kept pointing to the TV. Got to bed around 3am and she refused to have sex, saying it´d be better after 6am. Had sex once more in the morning and she left. Overall, not a bad experience, but somewhat disappointing. During dinner she tried to make it clear to me what a good deal I was getting. Short time is something like 150k, making 280k for TLN a bargain.
Rest assured she was the one getting the bargain.
I'm glad you felt the experience wasn't bad, but most Colombia veterans would call this experience horrible.
Hang in there and work on your spanish, you'll be amazed how much better your encounters will be.
Thanks, TheShadow2. Overall I´m disappointed with Cartagena. Can´t wait to leave for Bogota tomorrow. The women here all seem very into making some quick cash and arent really into much else. I´d be willing to pay more for a better experience, but it hasn´t happened here. I´m hoping Bogota will bring better things because it´s less tourist oriented.
One detail I found amusing was that Carolina referred to her boss at Club Rocio as "Mamasan." I haven´t heard "Pay mamasan!" since Thailand, and I thought it even sounded weird there, since "mamasan" is a Japanese term.
There is no correlation between what you pay and what you get. Recently I have paid as much as 150K for short time and as little as 40K. Some of the best times I've had for 40 to 60K. That 150K was quite special as well.
Of course I've lived here for over 3 years, speak some Spanish, and treat the girls very well. I'm also old and fat.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]There is no correlation between what you pay and what you get. Recently I have paid as much as 150K for short time and as little as 40K. Some of the best times I've had for 40 to 60K. That 150K was quite special as well.
Of course I've lived here for over 3 years, speak some Spanish, and treat the girls very well. I'm also old and fat.[/QUOTE] Ha Ha...and probably get more FINE pussy than most Hollywood actors!! I've seen the proof.Besides you ain't that old!
After arriving at Bogota I realize that Cartagena just wasnt for me. Everyone´s mileage may vary. Bogota has lots of places to get a cheap quickie. The women and people in general seem to have a great attitude. Something about Cartagena was difficult for me to get into.
I read on this forum and other places that Cartagena would be a good Colombian destination if your Spanish skillls are lacking. I disagree with this. The main advantage I had in knowing English was making it easier for touts to communicate with me and slightly easier to work out hotel arrangements. I worked out a hotel in Bogota without any English and things are going fine.
I wasn´t in a better negotiating position in Cartagena for knowing fluent English. I'm just as reliant on Spanish in Bogota for important things as I was in Cartagena. And here in Bogota I'm not dripping with sweat after walking around outside for 5 mins.
Bartchamdo, good to see at least one person agrees with me about mongering, the climate and language in Cartagena. Although seeing the Old City is without a doubt worth a trip, if you're into old Spanish architecture or Colombian history.
"I wasn´t in a better negotiating position in Cartagena for knowing fluent English."
Sounds right to me. My English doesn't help me much here either.
´ve been here in Cartagena for 6 days now. I really cant give a full detailed report on my adventures as yet until I sort out my pics of the chicas and what went on with each of them. Yes..short term memmory is my downfall. Pictures will be posted when I get home next week. I rented one of Mery´s apartments for me and a buddy. Nice clean rooms, great view of the beach and Mery is a total sweetheart. As for the street action, You´ll have no problem here. Tom, who is a stand up guy by the way, is correct..some of the hottest chicas around here are the 60k peso ones. You can find a nice hottie by just stopping off at one of the local restaraunts in Laguito or Bocagrande that have tables outside. Just sit down and have yourself a drink and you will see some sweet looking chicas walk by from time to time. If you´re looking for a pro, many of the LDV chicas that ask for 150k are worth it in terms of looks but you never really know what you get until she´s in your bed. I´m a bargain hunter so I always try to get a lower price like 100k or 80k. So far I´m batting 100% on my negotiations. Speaking of LDV, every since my first night there, the chicas out number the buyers at least 8 to 1. I dont know what the deal is but I hope it stays this way..hmmm..that must be why I´m getting my price..Duhhh. Most of the colombian girls here have that typical latino look with the long hair and natural tanned complexion but I have seen from very light (caucasion) to dark although there are a sprinkle of black chicas around...not many though. If you´re into black girls, then colombia is definatly the place to be because from what I can see, they dont seem to get much attention from the euro guys like the others here so you can probably get a bargain price...but what do I know?.I´ve only been here 6 days. Anyway, for the most part, colombian women are very beautiful. I´ve been to the dominican republic 4 times and I would have to say that the women over here are more exotic looking. Before coming here, I had the notion that If I could dress down, not wear any expensive clothes or jewelry, I could possibly blend in a little and avoid the street peddelers. ummmm...NOPE !!! I´m a 35 yr old black guy and I feel like I got a big sticker on my forehead that says, ¨GRINGO¨. I´ve been to several 3rd world countries and so far and Cartagena, Colombia has the most aggressive street vendors I´ve ever encountered. With them, the word, ¨NO¨ means ¨ ok, keep trying and I will buy something, eventually¨. I dont even look at them now. I just say, ¨no gracias¨ , once and keep walking.
[QUOTE=Skyjuice]´ve been here in Cartagena for 6 days now. I really cant give a full detailed report on my adventures as yet until I sort out my pics of the chicas and what went on with each of them. Yes..short term memmory is my downfall. Pictures will be posted when I get home next week. I rented one of Mery´s apartments for me and a buddy. Nice clean rooms, great view of the beach and Mery is a total sweetheart. As for the street action, You´ll have no problem here. Tom, who is a stand up guy by the way, is correct..some of the hottest chicas around here are the 60k peso ones. You can find a nice hottie by just stopping off at one of the local restaraunts in Laguito or Bocagrande that have tables outside. Just sit down and have yourself a drink and you will see some sweet looking chicas walk by from time to time. If you´re looking for a pro, many of the LDV chicas that ask for 150k are worth it in terms of looks but you never really know what you get until she´s in your bed. I´m a bargain hunter so I always try to get a lower price like 100k or 80k. So far I´m batting 100% on my negotiations. Speaking of LDV, every since my first night there, the chicas out number the buyers at least 8 to 1. I dont know what the deal is but I hope it stays this way..hmmm..that must be why I´m getting my price..Duhhh. Most of the colombian girls here have that typical latino look with the long hair and natural tanned complexion but I have seen from very light (caucasion) to dark although there are a sprinkle of black chicas around...not many though. If you´re into black girls, then colombia is definatly the place to be because from what I can see, they dont seem to get much attention from the euro guys like the others here so you can probably get a bargain price...but what do I know?.I´ve only been here 6 days. Anyway, for the most part, colombian women are very beautiful. I´ve been to the dominican republic 4 times and I would have to say that the women over here are more exotic looking. Before coming here, I had the notion that If I could dress down, not wear any expensive clothes or jewelry, I could possibly blend in a little and avoid the street peddelers. ummmm...NOPE !!! I´m a 35 yr old black guy and I feel like I got a big sticker on my forehead that says, ¨GRINGO¨. I´ve been to several 3rd world countries and so far and Cartagena, Colombia has the most aggressive street vendors I´ve ever encountered. With them, the word, ¨NO¨ means ¨ ok, keep trying and I will buy something, eventually¨. I dont even look at them now. I just say, ¨no gracias¨ , once and keep walking.[/QUOTE]
The touts have a sixth sense of who is a gringo and who is not. Avoid eye contact, wear headphones and keep walking. Never stop and look at anything, for they will swarm you like locusts
Greydove
I have never been to CTG, but only to San Andres. There is a complete report in that section. Also an earlier one from LP.
I had one night of mongering and the rest was my novia from Periera. I so not know how easy it would be to find a girl there for every day. It is much more a vacation spot with the special girl. But there is P4P action to be found.
I will say the beaches and reefs are as good as any Caribbean island I have been to. I don't know what CTG has to offer in terms of beaches.
But from reading here the chica scene is way better in CTG.
Travlr.
Nice report skyjuice! Your experiences there are similiar to my visit last month.I will be back in three weeks and hope LDV will remain a buyers market.As for the touts it is a shame they can't some how regulate them.I guess that is the price we pay though.....later mule
You don't need to be a Gringo to attract them. They make their living on Colombian tourists.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]You don't need to be a Gringo to attract them. They make their living on Colombian tourists.[/QUOTE]Best way to get rid of touts in any country.
*** Wear a set of white ipod earfphones...*** you can be trouble free in paradise. Its like hawker kryptonite.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Although seeing the Old City is without a doubt worth a trip, if you're into old Spanish architecture or Colombian history.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed. I don´t mean to knock Cartagena as a whole. It is a beautiful city without a doubt, and with a rich history. And Colombianos in general are great friendly people. I could see how someone might want to live there and monger there. It just didn´t rub me the right way.
If you´re into seeing beautiful ancient buildings and are going across the world anyway to get there, I´d suggest Siem Reap in Cambodia.
One of the ladies in Cartagena said that I wouldn´t have a problem with touts in Bogota, but that they´d just rob me outright. It´s true, there are very few touts in Bogota and one can tell by the soldiers and police everywhere that there are problems with crime. I still love it, though. I think I´d prefer to be robbed outright rather than have some tout smile at me and call me his friend while robbing me.
A frend of mine that recently went to cartagena, told me that the pleyboy club is a chain of three clubs:
1-Cartagena.
2-Santa marta.
3-Monteria. (Recently opened).
Did anybody know about this?
[QUOTE=Brugal8]A frend of mine that recently went to cartagena, told me that the pleyboy club is a chain of three clubs:
1-Cartagena.
2-Santa marta.
3-Monteria. (Recently opened).
Did anybody know about this?[/QUOTE]
I´m not sure about the pleyoy club if it´s a chain or not. A taxi guy brought me there a few night ago. Very nice selection but I didnt buy. I did however call a chica from there today. I thought I was getting her personal cell phone number but as it turns out, it´s the house phone. They told me 150k peso to have her some see me and that I didnt have to pay her taxi fee. I didnt buy.
well..as they say, ¨All good things must come to an end¨. I fly out tonight from CTG and all I can say is, ¨WOW¨. I have a new love for colombia. I have never seen so many donkey asses in such a small amount of time in all my life..and when I say ,¨ Donkey Ass¨, I mean, some of these women have some really big round bottoms and really small waiste line. no stomach fat. like a friggin hour glass..I mean these women just love to wear tight fitting jeans and skirts to show what they got. Young and old. I suppose the only other south american country that can surpass colombia in round asses is Brazil. If you like big round asses, being here makes you just want to mount up and ride. Uuaaggh- heeeeee--uuuaaahhhhhhgghh (donkey sounds)..lol.
full report with pics coming.
Skyjuice,
I'll be picking up where you left off on Tuesday.
I was reading this Cartagena section for my upcoming trip.
Can anybody tell me where exactly LDV is located?
Since everybody talks about LDV but cannot find the location.
Thanks
Guys,
I just spent several hours walking and hanging on the beach, my first day here in CTG, and I gotta say the touts aren't that bad, only mildly annoying. And if you have good boundaries, they're easy to dismiss.
Remember, they want something from you and you have all the power. A simple 'no gracias' works, and a hard, mean looking stare seals the deal. (OTOH, maybe I have some kind of invisible karma, because I actually tried to find Tony the tout, just for the experience, and couldn't find him!)
Believe me, CTG is nothing compared to India, as far as touts and people wanting to separate you from your cash is concerned.
As far as the chicas are concerned. Wow. Ohhh wow. Maybe I've been lucky, but I feel like a guy who just got called up to the majors and hit two homers on the first two pitches he sees. I love Columbianas. More on that later.
Skyjuice is correctamundo, the bodies on these women, from 18-40, as far as I can guess, are amazing. Real South Beach beautiful, if you know what I mean.
[QUOTE=El Austriaco]Casino la Perla del Caribe
Parque Comercial Pierino Gallo
Tel.: 665 0573
[url]http://www.casinocity.com/co/cartagena/colperl/[/url][/QUOTE]
Here is the address of the casino which is right next door to LDV. This was posted by my buddy, El Austriaco, several months ago.
$Bill
I am planning a trip to Cartagena and I need to know where I should stay while I'm there. Is there any hotels that are monger friendly?
The problem with finding LDV is that it is on the second floor of a building with a plaza. The sign of it cannot be found from the street level. You have to climb a stair to a plaza in order to see it along with the casino. I am typing right now from a 24 hour internet cafe that serves food, drinks and coffee called Connecting People Cafe which is on the first floor of the building and just a couple of stores from one of the two stairs that lead to the plaza where LDV and the casino are located.
Right now I am staying at the penthouse at the Atlantis building. It is monger friendly. In fact, I am having a hard time trying to ward off women who live in the building itself trying to invite themselves in. My rent is $70 a day, including tax, for an approximately 1400 sq. foot area apartment. Just look up the information on this website for Juan Ventura.
It includes a kitchen and all you need is to get a girlfriend from LDV and have her helped you get food from Olympica and have her cook it for you during your stay while in Cartagena. She can also be a guide to all the historical landmarks and museums, if that is your thing, like Plaza Santo Domingo, La Poppa, El Castilo, etc...(sorry if I have mispelled any of these places), as well as any restaurants that you might want to go to.
As for the touts, I have a enjoyable time talking to them, when I do pay attendtion to what they are selling. If they have something I don´t particularly want to buy, I just ignore them. However, I do enjoy the give and take of bargaining. Remember you are the customer and this place is a buyer´s market for pretty much everything, girls included.
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]The problem with finding LDV is that it is on the second floor of a building with a plaza. The sign of it cannot be found from the street level. You have to climb a stair to a plaza in order to see it along with the casino. I am typing right now from a 24 hour internet cafe that serves food, drinks and coffee called Connecting People Cafe which is on the first floor of the building and just a couple of stores from one of the two stairs that lead to the plaza where LDV and the casino are located.
Right now I am staying at the penthouse at the Atlantis building. It is monger friendly. In fact, I am having a hard time trying to ward off women who live in the building itself trying to invite themselves in. My rent is $70 a day, including tax, for an approximately 1400 sq. foot area apartment. Just look up the information on this website for Juan Ventura.
It includes a kitchen and all you need is to get a girlfriend from LDV and have her helped you get food from Olympica and have her cook it for you during your stay while in Cartagena. She can also be a guide to all the historical landmarks and museums, if that is your thing, like Plaza Santo Domingo, La Poppa, El Castilo, etc...(sorry if I have mispelled any of these places), as well as any restaurants that you might want to go to.
As for the touts, I have a enjoyable time talking to them, when I do pay attendtion to what they are selling. If they have something I don´t particularly want to buy, I just ignore them. However, I do enjoy the give and take of bargaining. Remember you are the customer and this place is a buyer´s market for pretty much everything, girls included.[/QUOTE]
Hey Sun devil- Despite the touts, it sure beats Costa Rica doesn't it. please tell the fat slobs in san Jose, how miserable cartagena is ok.......
Yes, I'll do that. Mums is the word considering I want the ratio for chicas to guys at LDV to remain 10:1. The only bad thing about LDV compared to the Del Rey is that its hours are from 2300 to 0330 as opposed to the DR being opened 24/7.
[QUOTE=FredA]I am planning a trip to Cartagena and I need to know where I should stay while I'm there. Is there any hotels that are monger friendly?[/QUOTE]Mery also rents apartments in Laguito area of Cartagena. The following web site lists a few of the apartments she has available.
[url]http://www.colombiarental.com/[/url]
Have a great trip!
Regarding Colombia Rentals, I've definitely stayed in PM 703, and I think B PH and TC 501. The pictures look familiar anyway. PM 703 was very nice - perfect for one person - and B PH was a chica magnet. I can't say enough good things about Mery.
Putting together a trip in August. Have stayed in Mery's apartments, they are great , but will run me 50-60 USD per night. Does anyone know of any others in laquito or Bocagrande, that a decent, have hot water and air conditioning that will run me 25-30 USD per day? Do not say the Conquistador, for I understand it is not chica-freindly, plus I hate the damm elevators, they suck
please advise.
Most of the apartments in your price range do not have AC or hot water. I have managed without hot water but not without AC. If price is an issue, just show up without any reservations and go shopping. August is a slow time.
Well I just got back from a great week at Cartagena. The only bad part about it was the humidity. I've never been in such a steam oven in my life. Plus, living in AZ has caused my body to become totally unaccustomed to humidity, let alone that found in CTG.
Like I previously posted, I rented an apartment from Juan Ventura, a 1400 sq. footer that cost $70 a night. This was about 3 or 4 buildings from the Hilton. I visited the Hilton a couple of times for their buffet breakfast. Most of the guests there were Caucasian Hispanics, not Americans.
During my first night, I had a two-some in my apartment consisting of women living in the complex. Apparently word got out that a rich foreigner is staying on the top floor of the complex. I had just finished unpacking when the doorbell rang. Two lithesome young ladies living on the 8th floor introduced themselves. Within the hour, after some dancing and chit-chat, we practiced some BBBJ and some covered missionary.
Later on, I took them out to a hut like restaurant next to the Hilton, and dissed them off after some monetary presents so that they can buy their school books. They said that they are studying Psychology at a university in the old city and just needed money to buy their books.
Afterwards, I walked to Bocagrande. I never sweated so much in my life, even though I wore a tank top, shorts and sandals. This place felt worst than Manila. I saw a totally hot Colombian woman wearing a denim mini-skirt and stilleto heels at a coffee shop called LaDulceria. Why can't women dress like that more often in the States. I made eye contact with her a couple of times but Mom was sitting next to her and the possibility of a date, let alone an introduction, was minisculed. Seeing families out together occurred more often here than in the US.
Later on I drifted off to LDV, where I found my novia of the week. This girl was from Medellin. I had wanted to do something like this during one of my trips. Anyway, what they say is true. Colombian women are some of the sweetest in the world.
This woman helped me with my grocery shopping when she saw that my fridge was empty in the apartment, prepared my food, and introduced me to some of the more local oriented restaurants in the city, such as the La Fonda Antioquena (Paisa food) and La Cocina del Socorro, as well as take me to some of the historical landmarks in the city.
When I left the city, I did not expect that the uniformed inspectors were going to sift through all my luggage. Don't worry about packing your clothes nicely prior to going to the airport because you will have to do it again. One of them tried to buy my portable DVD player. Telling him that I could not sell it since it was a Christmas present from my parents, I suggested that I will bring another one for him to buy when I come back to CTG in September. This seemed to have placated him somewhat. He did not helped repacked my bag though, unlike his colleague who searched my other bag. These guys mean business. They even x-rayed my Doc Marten sandals because to them they were unusually heavy.
I did not know my rights during this process but I stood my ground about my stuff, maybe foolishly. These guys could have easily f**ked me over and I could have missed my flight. Unless you want to part away with some of your personal electronics, i.e. ipods and aforementioned DVD players, or jewelry, like a nice Swiss watch, I suggest you leave them home. Also don't forget to carry $42 in cash for the exit tax needed at the airport. All in all, I enjoyed my stay in Colombia and will plan to come back, maybe in the fall when the weather becomes a lot nicer.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Most of the apartments in your price range do not have AC or hot water. I have managed without hot water but not without AC. If price is an issue, just show up without any reservations and go shopping. August is a slow time.[/QUOTE]
Ok Tom Thanks. may have to settle for Mery, and maybe get her to give me a 1 bd for $ 45-50, price really is not an issue, I can pay $50-60,
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Putting together a trip in August. Have stayed in Mery's apartments, they are great , but will run me 50-60 USD per night. Does anyone know of any others in laquito or Bocagrande, that a decent, have hot water and air conditioning that will run me 25-30 USD per day? Do not say the Conquistador, for I understand it is not chica-freindly, plus I hate the damm elevators, they suck
please advise.[/QUOTE]
It should be possible. I stayed in a studio type apartment in Atlantis building (just before Conquistador if you're walking from LDV). I was paying 65k per night. Later found out the true price was 55k per night and the other 10k was going in commission. For all I know, the true price was probably less than that.
This place had AC but not hot water.
If you are staying more than a few days, negotiate a total price (not x amount per night but x amount total for the 10 days or however long you want).
You may want to give yourself an opt-out option if you're unhappy with the place after a couple of days. Sometimes these rental apartments in the older buildings have pest problems.
If I was looking to go direct at US$30 or less, I would start at Caribe Real (on the Hilton side, half-way down the street from LDV), Atlantis and Tocahagua buildings. Go direct to the doorman (don't speak with the touts on the street or the agencies) and don't accept their first offer. Even the doorman will probably quote you a higher price just to see if you're giving away free money.
Sun Devil - don't hold your breath for cooler times. The CTG annual averages only change by a couple of degrees all year. Something to do with the equator I believe...
Decent apartments seem a bit thin on the ground. I've stayed in the Sun Caribe opposite LDV which was a bit dumpy, but had good views. And in a block above the ice cream place by the da pietro hotel. This was nicer fittings, but still NO HOT WATER.
I was paying 65,000 a day including the inevitable extra for the tout.
Maybe mongers should get together and refurb something, rent it out to fellow brothers....
Yes, I noticed that is the case when I checked the average temperature for CTG in September, which is only 1 degree less than that of June. However, according to the data, it supposed to rain more, so hopefully less humidity in the air.
The temperature didn't bother me so much as the humidity. I noticed that I sweated more than anyone else, which was kind of embarrasing. I attribute this to the fact that I live in a dry environment and my body simply could not adjust. The guards at the airport jokingly asked whether I had just finished a run prior to going to the airport and I honestly told them that I just walked from the taxi, even though I was fully drenched in sweat.
Sun,
How was the talent in LDV? Can you compare it to other places you've been? ie Rio or CR.
Were there a lot of girls on the beach?
Heading there end of August. Can't wait.
The girls at LDV were pretty gorgeous but without the attitude. Talking to them was pretty easy, however all in Spanish. The ratio of girls to guys was pretty amazing, I think it was 10:1. Some of the poor girls had to dance by themselves. I love how latin women dance, it just comes naturally to them. Of course this was a marketing ploy and a way for them to stand out among their competitors. This is a business after all.
I am not an expert, being to Cartagena for the first time, but I attribute this ratio to the fact that the World Cup is going on and most of the usual male South American or European tourists are at home or in Germany. Of course, a number of Americans do not really care about this tournament and I met a few at LDV. I guess things will be back to normal in August, since the final will be played on July 9th.
LDV reminds me of the Key Largo in San Jose CR and Havana and LA Cafe in Manila. It is a disco that gives women an outlet to meet clients. I am assuming Help is the same way in Rio, but I have never been there.
As for the beaches, I did see a number of girls at the beach while riding taxis from the old city to Laguito. I am not really much of a beach person so I did not get a chance to meet them personally. I suppose it would be pretty easy to meet one just by introducing yourself and eventually getting her phone number. Just play cool and don't act desperate.
I went into LDV last night just to see what was going on and it was 10 to 1, at least. There were at most 5-8 guys in the place, and girls coming out of the woodwork. Most of the men looked to me to be Americans, no Italians. When I walked in, all these 7-9ish chicas were looking at me. I was an event. Maybe the world cup thing is true
Since I already satisfied by a chica earlier, I simply walked on by these beauties. It was an enjoyable form of subtle revenge for all the times beautiful women made me feel invisible.
Hey Sun Devil, what building did you stay in? I'm currently in Playa del Mar, kitty corner from the Conquistador. Would certainly like to meet those neighbors!
Another point, in my short time here, it's so easy to find chicas, such that you can easily get overrun by choices, or exhausted from too much fun. Just by being a gringo you will be approached, and if not, simply ask a cab driver, walk on the beach, walk down the street and something will happen. I'm no expert at picking up women and certainly do not have that much 'game' but it's been a paradise here, and sometimes too much of a good thing. Tom33 is right on about the scene here, you will have your hands full.
As far as the weather is concerned, if you just surrender to the fact that it is hot and humid, just accept the reality that you will sweat, it goes a long way to making it easy on yourself. Notice the way the natives walk - they don't hurry like gringos, but they sorta 'sashey', saunter. Follow their lead and move slow in the daytime. Nightime is lovely and warm.
Gonzo:
If you are interested ask for Claudia at the front desk of the Atlantis building. I can't remember her friend's name. As for the humidity, remember I am from AZ, where humidity is usually less than 30%. In Cartagena, all I had to do was sit down somewhere outside, even in a shaded restaurant, and sweat came rolling down. I am not complaining though, I had a fun trip and have already booked another one for September.
I hope the odds stay in our favor in LDV as I am returning in two weeks!I was there last month and it was the same.The weather was great and I am used to humidity as I live in coastal Carolina and it is sweltering today.This trip I plan to visit casa pleyboy.My last visit I went to Tu Candela but it was mostly couples and I stayed an hour and left.laguito is a cool place to hang in the evening and I would sit in front of the playa mar and watch the people and believe me the girls will find you.Anyone there 7/1 let's meet ....mule
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]LDV reminds me of the Key Largo in San Jose CR and Havana and LA Cafe in Manila. It is a disco that gives women an outlet to meet clients. I am assuming Help is the same way in Rio, but I have never been there.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is. Just multiply it by at least 5 during offseason and by 10 during the busy season in terms of both clients and chicks, then you got an idea.
EA
Claudia hangs out with Alba and Sandra mostly. They are all good performers, but Claudia is the star.
Rocio and Yusleides are also regulars on the streets of Laguito. I recommend them both.
The weather actually eases a bit from Jan. through Mar. It almost seemed a little on the cool side a couple of nights.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Claudia hangs out with Alba and Sandra mostly. They are all good performers, but Claudia is the star.
Rocio and Yusleides are also regulars on the streets of Laguito. I recommend them both.
The weather actually eases a bit from Jan. through Mar. It almost seemed a little on the cool side a couple of nights.[/QUOTE]
Wazzup Tom...Those must be the chicas that hang in front of Atlantis in the evening.I hooked up with Sandra one night and her friend the next although her name escapes me.She was a morena on the flaca side with a real cute face.......mule
I think every gringo probably gets a thorough search leaving cartagena as I had the same experience as Sun Devil at the airport.They even seached me entering the country and pulled me to a room and counted my money."I'm fucked" was my first thought but after determining I had less than 10 grand I was sent on my way.Sun Devil did you rent the penthouse in Atlantis? If so please give a description....Thanks...Mule
The morena flaca with the cute face is Rocio. She doesn't unwrap very well because her tits sag and her stomach is fucked up. However, her cute face and great attitude make up for it.
Here's what happened to me last week and this week Mule. Arrived in Bogota to find out that my luggage went directly to CTG. I signed off on the customs paper, gave it to somebody and walked through with my carry on. Nobody blinked an eye.
Got to CTG from Bogota with an exceptionally hot chica and looked for aduana in CTG. Got bags, no aduana and walked to get a taxi. No muss no fuss. Wow, this is easy here. Until you leave.
Upon leaving CTG, I got searched three or four times. I really don't care if that's how they do things there. I have nothing to hide. I just want my flight to be on time. They were very very thorough going through my bags. No problem packing again. Clothes went in the washer last night and I have another load going now.
Bottom line is that I have some time off at the end of July and I came back here with enough for the price of another ticket. Its great putting two and two together. Time and money. Time and money.
Slippery
Firstly, when I went through customs, the customs guy was so uninterested in checking my bags that I flew right through customs.
As for whom I call 'The Three Amigas', Sandra, Alba and Claudia, I've done Claudia once, and Sandra and Alba multiple times (I'm in the apartment just below Tom33's). Hell, they're right across the street from our building in the Atlantis parking lot and whenever I see them, I just can't say no! Makes it real easy.
All 3 are different, but I wasn't that impressed by Claudia. Didn't seem that experienced, but she is so young and petite, it was worth it (well over 18 though) Alba is very cute, huge brown eyes, c-cups and a very quiet girl, Sandra is more outgoing, has a sexy-exotic look to her and is more agressive. Philo recommends a test drive with all 3 if you're down in Laguito.
I've been browsing the Cartagena reports for the last few weeks, and decided to take a trip down! My primary concern is November 9 - 18th a good time to visit? I see that there is a Beauty Pagent from November 1 - 13, and independence day is the 13th as well. I don't mind all the people being around. But will it affect mongering? This date works well because I can take time off of work. If this isn't a good time, should I try something earlier or wait until the next year?
I have several other questions, but I plan on going through every single post with a notebook to find them. I'll re-post with the questions and answers that I found, and the questions that I couldn't find answers to. Thanks for your help,
Junkyard
I was in BAQ/CTG late last November (Nov. 15 through Dec. 2), and everything was just fine. The way I understand it, the Miss Colombia Beauty Pageant should attract LOTS more girls, if anything (plus possibly higher prices with so many people around). Weatherwise, no problem, either.
EA
Just wondering if anyone has seen my favorite little psycho and how she is doing.
Sparky
[QUOTE=Sparkchaser69]Just wondering if anyone has seen my favorite little psycho and how she is doing.
Sparky[/QUOTE]Heading down the 1st of August, i'll let you know if I run into her. Of the pictures I've seen of her I would even overlook the crazy stuff. LOL
[QUOTE=Wapo469]Heading down the 1st of August, i'll let you know if I run into her. Of the pictures I've seen of her I would even overlook the crazy stuff. LOL[/QUOTE]
Well worth a roll in la cama. Just be careful with her.....
Sparky
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Claudia hangs out with Alba and Sandra mostly. They are all good performers, but Claudia is the star.
Rocio and Yusleides are also regulars on the streets of Laguito. I recommend them both.
The weather actually eases a bit from Jan. through Mar. It almost seemed a little on the cool side a couple of nights.[/QUOTE]Yusleides is a cutie. Very nice. Fun girl.
Anyway to get decent seats for the Pagent shows? That would be cool!
[QUOTE=Junkyard]I've been browsing the Cartagena reports for the last few weeks, and decided to take a trip down! My primary concern is November 9 - 18th a good time to visit? I see that there is a Beauty Pagent from November 1 - 13, and independence day is the 13th as well. I don't mind all the people being around. But will it affect mongering? This date works well because I can take time off of work. If this isn't a good time, should I try something earlier or wait until the next year?
I have several other questions, but I plan on going through every single post with a notebook to find them. I'll re-post with the questions and answers that I found, and the questions that I couldn't find answers to. Thanks for your help,
Junkyard[/QUOTE]
There are many events over 2 weeks leading up to the finals. Some of those events require no tickets. I found a website for the 2005 contest but nothing for 2006. The contestants stay at the Hilton in Laguito. The Hilton will have an events calendar available closer to the contest. The major events are held at the Convention Center in Centro. A stage is constructed on the beach in Bocagrande for some events.
I have been in town for the last three contests but never really went to any events.
Medellin's entry to the Miss Colombia contest last year.
Miss Colombia
she is hot. But Miss Choco, who was the runner-up was smokin hot.......
Now for you guys going to CTG, during miss colombia a few things to know:
1) There are hot looking chicas everywhere, however many of them are not working girls, so use some smarts when approaching them. But oh my, all shapes and colors....
2) If you go to the parade, be ready to get hit with Water balloons, Ink ballons, shaving creme and other projectiles... I learned the hard way and got hit right in the chest with an ink balloon, staining my #5 reggie bush jersey. I got pissed and grabbed the guy who threw it and had to be restrained from beating the shit out of them. One guy explained to me very apologetically that it was custom, but understood my anger. I then said " fuck it", and then went and bought 3 cans of the silly string and a huge soaker and got right into the fray. Only bad thing is my novia got sprayed in the face, and we had to wash her eyes out. It stung her like hell...
3) The Boat parade was even crazier. Not recommended unless you want all out war on the high seas. I was surprised no boat capsized or sank.I saw shit that I could not believe. That time I just had to listen to a drunkin colombian ***** about me and my friend calling us "rich gringos", "putas" etc... Now, this time I kept my cool and let the buffoon carry on. Then the Colombian coast guard boards our boat and makes us pull up to a dock. It turns out our boat did not have a permit, or was overcrowded. Now, I am starting to get nervous, thinking of a colombian jail, having my blue eyes harvested ( a rumor about this happening to a guy in rural colombia), but after about a 45 miunte delay. The captain of the Coastguard points to me, my friend and our novias and says to me in English
"you can go, the boat will be released soon" After that, No more boat pararde for me....
Advice: Make sure if you go to the boat parade, get there early and get a ticket on one of the bigger boats... Our boat was a pirated boat... Live and learn.
make sure you have reservations in November, the place is packed..
I have always stayed away, but I have been told that they like to throw shit as well. I don't mean figurative shit. It's the real stuff. Be thankful that it was only ink.
I just happen to have one of Miss Choco as well.
Tom
thanks for the picture of my negrita princess. she looks better even in person..
Since my last trip to Medellin was much less then what I had hoped, I have decided to return to good old Cartagena. It has been about a year and half since I have been there. I have been visiting the "Playground" of South America for about 7 years or so. so I am not a newby at this.
I will buy my airline tickets in the next few days. First ticket will be a roundtrip Avianca flight from Miami (MIA) to Cartagena (CTG). I want the 2 hour and 45 minute direct flight from MIA to CTG. Do not want the one that goes thru Bogota. As I recall they only do this like 3 days a week. Anyone remember which days?? When I was looking before, the best deal I could find was about $445 total on Expedia. Any suggestions for other places to look or travel agents to contact?
Where to stay that first night?? I have a hotel I like but I do not remember the name. It is across the street from the country club. I will not bother to even try to make a reservation. I figure the odds are 99% that they will find a room for me. I have tipped the staff well in the past and I am sure that they will be thrilled to have me stay with them again. If you go to [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url] you can see the hotel in that top picture. See the swimming pool at the bottom about 1/4 of the way from the right. That is the pool at the country club. The red to the northeast are tennis courts. The black thing to the northwest is the country club building. A little more to the northwest are the top 2 or 3 floors of the hotel and is yellowish white. It is a nice hotel. Has AC, cable TV, a pool in the back, free breakfast, and HOT WATER. Also a restaurant in the bottom and you can charge your meals and drinks to your room. Also a bar. I rent the room for 2 people and have never had any problems with bringing chicas back, in fact I normally rent TWO room side by side so I have some place to put my extra chicas. As I recall rooms are about $50 a night.
I also went to [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url] and contacted Juan about renting an apartment from him. I have known Juan for years and he is a great guy. I have met Mery a couple of times and seems like a sweetheart but have not rented from her yet.
I am thinking about renting ATL1201 thru Juan. I have never stayed in that building but have looked at apartments there before. I am thinking about renting for 3 nights to start with. That will give me a chance to see if I like the place or not. Someone else mentioned in their report that they had stayed there and seemed to like it. This trip is for fun and I do not mind spoiling myself a bit with where I stay. CTG is HOT and HUMID and I want a place where I can be comfortable since I will be spending a lot of my time in my apartment during the day.
I will try to write reports as I go along so you can see how the Treeshark does his Cartagena vacations.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]As I recall they only do this like 3 days a week. Anyone remember which days?? [/QUOTE]From Miami to Cartagena? Everyday.
From Cartagena to Miami, Wednesdays and Sundays.
Unless things just changed in the last few months..
The flight goes on Wed. and Sun. Other trips are added for busier times. I generally go on Wed. because it is cheaper for me to get to MIA mid-week.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]The flight goes on Wed. and Sun. Other trips are added for busier times. I generally go on Wed. because it is cheaper for me to get to MIA mid-week.[/QUOTE]I'm a fan of the midweek flight as well, here are the numbers and times, which as far as I know remain static:
Wed. AVIANCA 0035 Miami DEP 13:10 MD8 Cartagena ARR 15:50
Wed. AVIANCA 0034 Cartagena DEP 09:10 M83 Miami ARR 11:55
Assuming a 7 day trip with between 1 and 2 months notice, this should be like $450; prices fluctuate wildly closer to departure date. With 30 days notice you can likely fly anywhere in the states to MIA for $200 RT. On flight legs in and out of CTG, be sure to allow 1.5hrs at least for connection to the next leg. MIA is a small airport and easy to navigate, but the customs officials are NOT. Nothing like a romantic date with a rubber glove AND missing your flight on top of that. The connection I usually make allows 1.5hrs exactly, and I find this allows very little room for error/food/etc.. so plan accordingly.
Avianca asks that you be at the airport 3 hours prior to international departures. I have never needed close to that much time, but I'm always there at least 3 hours in advance.
I need two legs to get to MIA. Thus I always spend the night at the Holiday Inn Express near the airport. Then do the MIA-CTG leg the next day.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]Since it sounds like towels would be problem at ATL1201 , I could bring some extra towels with me or buy some extra ones down there.[/QUOTE]BTW, you can buy towels on the main street where they have the flee market for about $2-3 each. Beside the hotdog shop called "Dogger".
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]
2) If you go to the parade, be ready to get hit with Water balloons, Ink ballons, shaving creme and other projectiles... I learned the hard way and got hit right in the chest with an ink balloon, staining my #5 reggie bush jersey. I got pissed and grabbed the guy who threw it and had to be restrained from beating the shit out of them. One guy explained to me very apologetically that it was custom, but understood my anger. I then said " fuck it", and then went and bought 3 cans of the silly string and a huge soaker and got right into the fray. Only bad thing is my novia got sprayed in the face, and we had to wash her eyes out. It stung her like hell...[/QUOTE]
This kind of shit really pisses me off about Colombia. We had similar, though not so damaging problems during the Cavalgata (sp?) in Cali. Too many drunkards behaving stupidly is a recipe for disaster. And a real problem if you're there to take photos. Maybe I should invest in a waterproof case? :D
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Avianca asks that you be at the airport 3 hours prior to international departures. I have never needed close to that much time, but I'm always there at least 3 hours in advance.
I need two legs to get to MIA. Thus I always spend the night at the Holiday Inn Express near the airport. Then do the MIA-CTG leg the next day.[/QUOTE]
Likewise I always plan on 3, or more if I can. AV checkin makes glaciers look fast, and if you want a half-decent seat, its advised.
But if you end up running late, don't sweat it. Half the Colombians won't turn up until an hour before.
[QUOTE=Xion149]The connection I usually make allows 1.5hrs exactly, and I find this allows very little room for error/food/etc.. so plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]
Once you've got your luggage checked you can probably overshoot departure if you end up get held up by those sons and daughters of National Socialists in security. If your luggage is loaded it (usually) takes forever to find it and get it off, and they have to do that before than can depart. You *probably* have at least 15 minutes, and if you can get word to them you're having your prostate tickled by a rubber glove rather than getting drunk in some bar somewhere, and will be along forthwith, they *might* happily hold a bit for you rather than go rummaging around for your stuff.
I bought my Avianca tickets tonight thru Expedia.com. Cost was $461 total including $20 shipping charge to paper tickets and $5 fee to expedia.
I used [url]http://www.tripadvisor.com[/url] to do a search for the tickets. If you have not tried them before, I would suggest that you try a search to see what they are like. I also tried a search with flycheapabroad.com. That was a real joke. Told them that I wanted direct flight. They refused to offer me a ticket with direct flight from Mia to CTG and back. I could fly MIA to BOG to CTG down and direct back or direct down and thru BOG coming back. But direct both ways no way.
My Avianca flight 35 leaves at 2: 10 PM so would like to arrive at the Avianca counter at 10: 30-11: 00 AM. That may seem like it is too early but I have found that it is usually much faster if you are a bit early. Last trip took me about 10 minutes for check in. Get there later and it can take 45-60 minutes. I find that stressful. This is my vacation and I want as little stress as possible. No way will I try to get to MIA on Wednesday. Will fly to MIA on Tuesday and spend the night.
Oh, I am flying into CTG on Wednesday 8/30 and will fly back on Wednesday 9/20 Just for the fun of it I checked with Expedia on hotels for my first 3 nights. For 2 people of course. Low price was Hotel Da Pietro at $78 a night. Monterrey Hotel was $99. I have stayed there and I think it is nice. Next to Convention center. Hotel Casa La Fe was $105. Capilla Del Mar Hotel was $105. Decameron Cartagena All Inclusive was $112 the first 2 nights and $102 for Friday. Must have a weekend special. Now that I have firm dates, I can start to make my plans. Wednesday 8/30 think I will go to Tripleterria about 10: 30-11: 00PM. So if anyone wants to meet me that is where I will be. :-)
[QUOTE=Papipapi]BTW, you can buy towels on the main street where they have the flee market for about $2-3 each. Beside the hotdog shop called "Dogger".[/QUOTE]Thank you for info but I am not really sure exactly where this is. I think by main street you mean the main one way beach road. There is a building near Calle cinco that has a lot of shops. Is that the one you mean? I think I can remember a hot dog place near there on the corner. Is that the place?
Being able to get extra towels for $2-3 would be a big help for many of us.
My friend is trying to go next week but Mery said all properties she knew were full. Hmmm.
Regarding Miss Colombia, not sure which "parade" he is talking about but the highlite of the week is the traje del bano (swimsuit competition) at the Hilton on Saturday night. Both the fantasywear and coronation events require you wear a tux (unimaginable in CTG climate), and you get a reserved seat likely very far from the stage. If you get a good seat in the garden the chicas pass so close they can brush against you (as Miss Cartagena did to me back in 2003).
I saw nothing thrown or sprayed, and I was RIGHT next to the passarella in the Garden of the Hilton during the bathing suit competition (took tons of pics using a nice camera which I posted on other sites but I guess not here). So I wouldn't worry too much about your camera addicted to women. DO book early though (and arrange your ticket WELL in advance).
Despite all the macho talk of some here about how lucky the Colombians are he kept his temper blah blah blah, instead of beating the shit out of some Colombian he would have likely been shot and killed. 90%+ of Colombianos carry guns and are not afraid to use them. You take a swing at a local and odds are 50 50 you end up in the morgue no matter how much of a tough guy you think you are.
Lets get the parade issues set straight.
The Miss Colombia contest is essentially a week of constant festivals.
There is a parade on the wednesday before the contest, that attracts several hundreds of thousands of people. It runs also the main drag from north of the old city to bocagrande. It has floats, bands , and each contestant representing each one of the 32 different political districts in Colombia. Note: There is nothing in Colombia remotely resembling the People's republic of Northern California. The parade lasts about 3 hours. People throw all kinds of shit at each other during these parades. It was bad at times, but nearly as bad as the boat parade, which I will describe below.
Apx. thursday afternoon, there is an actual boat parade in Cartagena bay. Again the 32 different contestants ride on boats throughout a free for all. the call it a parade, would be a reach. There are hundreds of different types of vessels on the bay, following the contestants around. There are luxury yachts, boston whaler type boats, canoes, fishing boats, old rustbucket boats that should be used on san francisco Bay to patrol the waters of that real gem of a city, since they hate the US Military.... Again, this parade, mob is way out of hand, you have boats of overcrowded people, hurling projectiles, water balloons etc... at each other, you have boats hitting each other etc... It makes memorail day weekend on the Colorado river near parker, look civil.. It is dangerous, and not recommended. I did see the Colombian coast guard crack down on a few boats, including ours, for having too many people on it, and for not having proper documents ( eg; registration). after 15 minutes of this, I asked myself " what the fuck am I doing here"?
yes, i did get pissed off, when I got hit without any warning and when when some asshole throw a water balloon filled with soap, or shaving cream hitting my novia in the eyes, stinging the hell out of them. i did confront the asshole, but other people pushed him away, and apologized to me, for they were too were embarrassed. Nobody threatened me, nobody pulled a gun.. they understood. maybe my esteemed collegue Surfer, would have thought well, the presence of a gringo , must have provoked them, maybe it is Israel's or america's fault..., and would have not been angry at the balloon thrower. Maybe he would have used the Bill clinton approach, " feeling their pain". sorry, but I don't play that game. The guy was wrong to target a 5'0 100 spinner.. hit me, target me, but don't hit her.
Nobody threatened to put me into the morgue and nobody wanted to bust a cap into me, the statement in the previous post, only contributes to the myth about how violent all colombians are.. What bullshit. I probably would have had a more hostile confrontation if I were an american flag bandana while walking on the streets of san francisco, berkeley or in marin County.
there is also a third parade the night before, right by the hilton....
I have not seen a single civilian carrying a piece during my times in Cartagena, only Guards, police and military, whom would be forced to disarm and wear beads if they were in the Bay Area. I did see a few in Cali.
There are all kinds of places that you can buy towels including Carulla. The touts also sell towels.
The Dogger is on San Martin a block or two from Hotel Caribe on the east side of the street. Just past the Dogger is an area with all kinds of little shops.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]There are all kinds of places that you can buy towels including Carulla. The touts also sell towels.
The Dogger is on San Martin a block or two from Hotel Caribe on the east side of the street. Just past the Dogger is an area with all kinds of little shops.[/QUOTE]
pack a few extra in your bags, the ones they sell in Colombia are pretty lame...
Surfer, MJG
Muchas gracias for the detailed contest info, exactly what I was looking for. I'll be there nov 8 - 15 and hope to snag some good digital video of that swimsuit contest. That boat parade sounds wild. What's with L-AM countries having festivals where they throw stuff?? SJO they have this thing where they throw confetti at you.. mostly cute chicas doing the throwing, but they were getting really ruthless with it (I extracted confetti from every open orifice above the neck, including some underneath my eyelids) and were exceptionally keen on hunting down the americans.
Tuxedo, whoa. That might be a stretch in the billion degree heat, but I suppose I've done sillier things for chicas. How hard was it to reserve a spot for the swimsuit event?
Xion:
Thank you for the kind reply
During the parades, try wearing an old Grateful dead T-shirt or something similar, with a pair of shorts, sunglasses and some flip-flops......
There are also other areas in catragena that show the Miss colombia pagent live on a big screen TV, someone like Cafe Del mar, would be a good bet...
I hadn't thought of going to Cartagena before untill I looked at this forum. It looks like the kind of place I'd like to go to! :-) Some general questions:
1) I speak English only. Is this a serious problem? It seems that knowing some Spanish is essential.
2) From some reports, it's not clear to me if the girls are pros or not? Some reports suggest just hanging around outside resturants is a good place to pick up girls? Are these normal girls or are they looking for work?
Xion: Swimsuit competition sold out some weeks in advance the year I was there (2003-the year Catarina Daza from Cali won). I tried for over an hour to scalp a ticket outside the Hilton, along with MANY other buyers, but there were ZERO sellers. I only got in because a lady tried to bring in a baby in a stroller and was denied entry, and I IMMEDIATELY offered to buy her ticket before the other desperate buyers could approach her. I paid about 120 KCP (I think face value was 80KCP).
Dogs: Just because you do not SEE their guns does NOT mean they don't have them. They CONCEAL them (duh!). Go to a nightclub attended by Colombianos 9NOT LDV!) where they frisk you sometime and watch what percentage of the local men turn in guns! The guys that hang out outside LDV are all packing heat; ask Aldo (or one of the girls) how many of the guys that hang outside around that block carry pistols. I have had SEVERAL LDV girls say not to hang outside there by the fountain (my favorite place because I cannot tolerate the smoke inside for more than 5 minutes, plus with a clear view of the exit you can see EVERY chioca coming and going).
Dude, I TOTALLY agree it was wrong for the guy to attack your girl during the parade, so I am NOT defending that guy.
After reading your post, I retract my comment suggesting you not mix it up with locals and say, instead, that if you want to duke it out with Colombianos go for it! IMHO it just means one less Republican voter in the next election-not that it matters as ALL polls show the fascists likely to lose BOTH the House and the Senate in less than 4 months but let's not get off topic into US politics OK? Jackson hates that (as your fellow rightwinger Scooby learned when he posted some Republican BS in the Medellin folder).
[QUOTE=Freshc]I hadn't thought of going to Cartagena before untill I looked at this forum. It looks like the kind of place I'd like to go to! :-) Some general questions:
1) I speak English only. Is this a serious problem? It seems that knowing some Spanish is essential.
2) From some reports, it's not clear to me if the girls are pros or not? Some reports suggest just hanging around outside resturants is a good place to pick up girls? Are these normal girls or are they looking for work?[/QUOTE]Even though many guys say that CTG is the best option in Colombia for the espanol deficient, having just returned from CTG, I didn't find much english spoken. If you're going to pick up chicas on the streets, odds are that these are the least educated among the ladies, and the least likely to know a 2nd language. Your best chance is with semi-pro college girls, but even there, it does not appear that 2nd languages are a priority in the Colombian education system (but I may be wrong). In LDV, probably 10-15% (at best) of the ladies know much English, from an very unscientific poll taken by me. Worse on the streets and on the beach, don't know about the casas. (But I've signed languaged my way to GFE before in other countries!). Some taxistas have access to these college chicas. If you eventually go to CTG, I can email you a phone number for taxi drivers that can help you out in this department (but, then these guys don't speak english...hmmn).
If you look at a chica, and she looks back at you and keeps looking at you, that's a likely indication that they're in the program. That was my experience in CTG (and of course, elsewhere). In front of restaurants, on the beach, in front of hotels, they're around. If you look like a gringo and if you're shy about approaching women on the street, eventually they will find you.
so surfer, you advocate me getting shot in cartagena? that's nice. gee i am sorry that if me being a republican offends you to the point that you hope someone kills me. i wonder if you would hate me even more, if i were a jew?
well jackson, surfer states you hate political speech? do you condone the hatred towards me because of my political affiliation? i know you censored scooby, so i guess you must condone surfer's post.
i should have known better not to have replied to surfer, but jesus to hope i get a cap popped in me because of the novermber elections? how pathetic.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]so surfer, you advocate me getting shot in Cartagena? That's nice. Gee I am sorry that If me being a Republican offends you to the point that you hope someone kills me. [/QUOTE]Dog, I put the crazed, elitist Surfer on my ignore list years ago. When you dump his brain dead political vomit and conspiracy theories automatically in the ISG wastebin, you'll enjoy the site way more. Geez, we'd all have been nuked if these looney tune socialists were in power today. Back to pussy; you have more patience than most when it comes to the parade. I stick to meeting the beautiful scenery as they walk around the Hilton. LDV has a ton of lookers that week.
Gonzo,
Did you go anywhere else in Colombia? Where was your favorite? What is your spanish speaking level? Have you mongered long? I know you have to keep your wits about you in Colombia, but did you consider it safe? Will Colombia be a fun time for a noob monger? What type of girl did you normally go after? Ie - casa / programa / SG Where did you stay, eat, etc?
Thanks,
Ticasonar
Dogs: Actually, several of my closest friends are Republicans (one is Jewish, as is my law partner) and OF COURSE I did not "advocate" you getting shot because of your political views. It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your macho attempt to belittle my suggestion that you NOT duke it out with Colombianos if you value your life, nothing more.
I will give my opinion again: making enemies in Colombia is NOT a smart thing to do, and for your sake I urge you to back down, rather than escalate, the next time you consider starting a fight. Life is cheap there.
Finally, Jackson has asked people on BOTH sides of the political divide NOT to abuse his forum by getting off topic and I have tried to heed his request. However, when my views (or city) are belittled I will respond. Your suggestion that he has censored conservatives posts but not liberal ones is unfair to him.
Now let's get back to discussing mongering in Cartagena.
[QUOTE=Freshc]I hadn't thought of going to Cartagena before untill I looked at this forum. It looks like the kind of place I'd like to go to! :-) Some general questions:
1) I speak English only. Is this a serious problem? It seems that knowing some Spanish is essential.
2) From some reports, it's not clear to me if the girls are pros or not? Some reports suggest just hanging around outside resturants is a good place to pick up girls? Are these normal girls or are they looking for work?[/QUOTE]Personally I think that your complete lack of Spanish would be a serious problem. I would suggest that you go to Costa Rica instead. It seems like everyone there knows some english.
[QUOTE=Freshc]I hadn't thought of going to Cartagena before untill I looked at this forum. It looks like the kind of place I'd like to go to! :-) Some general questions:
1) I speak English only. Is this a serious problem? It seems that knowing some Spanish is essential.
2) From some reports, it's not clear to me if the girls are pros or not? Some reports suggest just hanging around outside resturants is a good place to pick up girls? Are these normal girls or are they looking for work?[/QUOTE]I was just there and I would advise you know at least some conversational Spanish. Check out the Pimsleur CD's, you can absorb a lot in just 30 - 60 minutes a day.
[QUOTE=Surfer]Dogs: Actually, several of my closest friends are Republicans (one is Jewish, as is my law partner) and OF COURSE I did not "advocate" you getting shot because of your political views. It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your macho attempt to belittle my suggestion that you NOT duke it out with Colombianos if you value your life, nothing more.
I will give my opinion again: making enemies in Colombia is NOT a smart thing to do, and for your sake I urge you to back down, rather than escalate, the next time you consider starting a fight. Life is cheap there.
Finally, Jackson has asked people on BOTH sides of the political divide NOT to abuse his forum by getting off topic and I have tried to heed his request. However, when my views (or city) are belittled I will respond. Your suggestion that he has censored conservatives posts but not liberal ones is unfair to him.
Now let's get back to discussing mongering in Cartagena.[/QUOTE]
Surfer;
Ok, I accept your olive branch, life is cheap in a lot of places on this planet.
I will be in CTG on 17 Aug until 28 Aug. Novia is staying in Rome, so I am free to do as I please. I am going to document my trip like an anthroplogist and study everything and write a detail summation upon return. I do want to write a psychological profile of LDV and of course of the Mr. Haney of the tout beach aka: Tony the Tout.
Surfer makes a good point.
Did you ever stop to think about the reason the other Colombians tried to calm things down? They know from experience how brutal it could get. Better some kind words and smooth things over than somebody ending up dead. If the outcome was just going to be some shoving or a fist fight (as in other countries), most people would just let it roll.
Yes, I guess you could say the guy was wrong to target your girl. But in my opinion, it's a serious lack of street smarts to try and escalate it and to want to "right that wrong". If it turns into a violent confrontation, who exactly is going to jump in to help the spoiled-ass gringo who went looking for it in the first place? On the other hand, someone might well jump in to help the Colombian guy.
Most Colombians are great people, but there are definitely some bad dudes in the mix.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]
yes, i did get pissed off, when I got hit without any warning and when when some asshole throw a water balloon filled with soap, or shaving cream hitting my novia in the eyes, stinging the hell out of them. i did confront the asshole, but other people pushed him away, and apologized to me, for they were too were embarrassed. Nobody threatened me, nobody pulled a gun.. they understood. maybe my esteemed collegue Surfer, would have thought well, the presence of a gringo , must have provoked them, maybe it is Israel's or america's fault..., and would have not been angry at the balloon thrower. Maybe he would have used the Bill clinton approach, " feeling their pain". sorry, but I don't play that game. The guy was wrong to target a 5'0 100 spinner.. hit me, target me, but don't hit her.
Nobody threatened to put me into the morgue and nobody wanted to bust a cap into me, the statement in the previous post, only contributes to the myth about how violent all colombians are.. What bullshit. I probably would have had a more hostile confrontation if I were an american flag bandana while walking on the streets of san francisco, berkeley or in marin County.
there is also a third parade the night before, right by the hilton....
I have not seen a single civilian carrying a piece during my times in Cartagena, only Guards, police and military, whom would be forced to disarm and wear beads if they were in the Bay Area. I did see a few in Cali.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Surfer] I have had SEVERAL LDV girls say not to hang outside there by the fountain (my favorite place because I cannot tolerate the smoke inside for more than 5 minutes, plus with a clear view of the exit you can see EVERY chioca coming and going). [/QUOTE]Surfer - The benches out LDV are great. I like them for those exact reasons. I don't understand why it would be more dangerous to hang out there than inside LDV. It seems like a lot of people do, even the chicas. Did the girls give you any reasons beyond the guys packing heat?
One thing I have seen is a drunk ex-customer come along and start verbally abusing with one of the girls on a bench. He was annoying, breaking up a nice chat with the hookers over coffee in the plaza. I was very tempted drop him in the fountain - he was twice as drunk as me and half my size. But, yeah, "I've seen better men than me killed by a small pistol".
Anyway, I don't understand why it's more dangerous there. During the first election this year, I was in LDV and an entire military patrol came sweeping into the place. Automatic rifles at the ready. That was illuminating. It got me thinking it might be safer outside.
Your vote for most luxurious?
Where would you film your porno?
Gracias
Many thanks Gonzo, Treeshark and Phoenix! Your feedback is much appreciated. I think I might invest in that language course.
Anyone hear anything? a friend was in LDV on friday, he said DAS and the police started video taping & took photos of all the chicas there along with searching for drugs or other illegal items. Did not bother the men. It is still a buyers market 80,000 - 100,000 TLN.
I will post fotos when I return to the states.
Otown51,
Can you give us more details on the prices you're quoting for LDV? If accurate, that is quite a development. It's been a while since anyone reported an LDV girl going anywhere for 80,000, or 100,000 for TLN.
Is this an average, or was it just one chica one time?
I've had a regular girl my last 4 trips or so, but from all the reports here of rising prices, this is very interesting...
The raids are normal. In Feb. of 2003 the police came in followed by TV cameras rolling. All the girls were checked for ID. No guys were asked for anything.
Pricing does vary with demand, but my guess is that the 80-100K was for short-time.
I was in LDV Sunday night and there were WAY more gringos than chicas. It was a very sad state of affairs. The other 2 nights I´ve been there in the last few weeks the girl/guy ratios were poor, chica attitudes (in general) were terrible, and I personally talked to several newbie Cartagena mongers fresh from places like the DR and Costa Rica who were happily paying 250,000 COP for toda la noche. I just listened in disbelief as they bragged about how smart they were because they negotiated the fees down from 500,000 COP.
I´ve been mostly avoiding LDV this trip since any chica OF QUALITY (and I emphasize "of quality" because throughout LDV´s existance you can always bank on the fact that on any given night 20-50% of the chicas will be way past their prime, overweight, or just plain fea) will try to get 150-200 COP short-time (or more for toda la noche). You can possibly get the "lower end of the spectrum" chicas for the low prices but I wouldn´t do them for free so it is irrevelent information for me.
In a few short years, LDV went from a quality mongering establishment to where it is now- WAY overrated! You get little value for the money you spend there.
So what is the alternative if you are looking for a freelancer-type disco bar in Cartagena? While Cartagena is only a mediocre mongering destination, your best bet is to get out of the gringo cocoon of Laguito and hit La Trippelitera en La Ciudad Vieja. During this trip, the chicas were overall cuter at La Trip, their attitudes were about 1000% better, you´ll usually find a more favorable chica/gringo ratio and you should be able to negotiate the 100,000 toda la noche rate. I´ve had several nice experiences there this trip. There is a 10,000 (about USD $4) exit fee if you leave with one of the chicas (although I found it easy to talk your way out of paying the fee if your Spanish is strong enough).
Zippy:
IMHO Cartagena has become better for real estate speculation (45% annual appreciation is bandied about) than mongering. Your observations confirm the sad state of LDV and how preciptious its decline has been. What a change from just 2 or 3 years ago. Hope you'll show Nextrip places outside Laguito so he gets a better sense of Colombianas (though he got some good ones in Medellin last time).
This change is happening in Medellin now too (though not quite to the xtreme as in CTG). Even in Cali, the novelty factor (of being a gringo)is wearing off. Gotta get further and further away from the famous cities to find las Colombianas verdaderas.
Alot of girls with tatoos, just for the money. a couple years ago the girls were more non-pros.
Agreed Zippy. Hard to believe I'm saying it, but CR is a better value now for short vacations. LDV - average night 50 girls, way too many guys, 35+. Top shelf has only 5 girls, and just the 8.5 range. All want 200K for short time, some say per hour. I've had a few lesser tier 6s who I was merely chatting up, out of nowhere bark out 150k and yell no negotiation!! These are girls I wouldn't barfine at any price. Very bad attitudes throughout. I sit outside with a beer and watch them storm out and go home without a customer all night, before ever dropping the price. Its almost a waste of time to even go in there now. La Trip is good, but there's only 3 or 4 cute ones...great attitudes, but 7s at most. The CTG value has left the building, and is not worth the entire day long hassle leaving the country to get back to the US to save little money.
For you CR and DR short trips guys, CR is only say $20 more a night per chica, the convenience of location makes up for the pro attitude. There's far more selection, plus, there's always at least a dozen way better looking girls than what you'll find in CTG.
This change has no effect on extended stay mongers with a black book of girlfriends, and other cities to visit, but newbies should take note.
Well Surfer when you come to Colombia you can visit me near our favorite beach. This is the reason we won't be moving to Cartagena. Just wait until they open the Blue Marlin South, makes me want to puke!
I guess we can thank our favorite ball massager for the real estate boom, lol.
[QUOTE=Zippy]I was in LDV Sunday night and there were WAY more gringos than chicas. [/QUOTE]Do you have an idea of where the gringos were coming from? I mean, were the college kids on vacation or older guys? It's seems like they are having some sort of Central American and Caribbean sporting event in CTG the past couple of weeks, right?
On the supply side, I've been chatting with a pro who I met in LDV last winter. Based on the internet addresses off her email she spent most of the spring in her home town, away from the coast and tourists. I thought that was interesting.
But it looks like she returned right around time these games started in Cartagena. She's been very busy since getting to CTG. In the spring she was a decent correspondent, but now she seems to be spending more time working. :)
Beav;
sadly to say the opening of a Del rey South in Cartagena, may happen sooner than later. that fat stupid drunk John, is buying up a lot of property in CTG..
The thought of all the fat drunks from the Del Rey invading CTG, is enough to make my puke. Who wants the fat fools with the Miami Hurricanes jerseys running around. NO thanks................ Maybe the colombian military and police would crack on them......
You Del Rey Season ticket Holders--- Please stay in san jose.
I met John, owner of the Del Rey in Cartagena. He bought a block of property on the oceanfront in Laguito. He owns the art gallery and a restaurant building and a couple closed buildings. He has more money to invest than he knows what to do with. He is a nice guy and comes from Costa Rica on his Catamarand.
I hope Big John open his place really soon. That is what I missed when I was in CTG--a place where you can hang out, watch sports, drink coffee, eat food, and catch a chica all in one place. I did find a 24/7 internet cafe below LDV where you can catch sports, have coffee, eat food, and surf the internet.
As for LDV being full, when I was there during the World Cup tournament last June , there were about 4 to 5 guys and about 50 girls milling around. Cartagena is host to a sporting event, the 20th Central American and Caribbean Games.
That is why there are a bunch of guys down there right now. The girl who I hooked up with last June pointed this out to me when we passed a stadium on our way to a big mall somewhere in the interior of the city.
I feel like the guy in the Fedex commercial who didn't waive his hand the right way. His boss says the same thing about 30 seconds later and gets all the credit. You guys were jumping all over me a few months ago for saying San Jose was a better mongering destination for a non-Spanish speaker, and for saying the Blue Marlin had more 9's and 10's than LDV.
I was in Cartagena a couple weeks ago and there were very few males in LDV. This boom I am reading about is probably a short term thing. Cartagena is far from what it use to be. It makes no sense that the girls are asking for more money when there are less guys. What the hell happened to all the new girls that use to come to LDV? They must be somewhere? But where? The girls in LDV now have all been there for years and are totally jaded. 200,000 for an hour? Or more? In Medellin where many are from they would be working in a brothel getting paid 15,000 an hour. Maybe they just think they need that one loser, once a week, who gives them the money they ask for? And otherwise walk home alone. Pathetic.
I concur with Sun Devil, I was also there during the World Cup, and the ratio was outstanding. And now there's a football tournament in CTG, but I don't think this would account for USA gringos, who are not super-crazy over soccer.
I was told about the swarms of Europeans in LDV, and they were noticably absent in June. Timing is everything.
If anyones knows anything about CTG, LDV is the last place to find bargains (or the reasonable prices), which are available.
Cartagena is very seasonal. High season is very different from low season. There is no average. One night there could be a military ship in port with many guys checking out LDV. The next night could have 4 guys all night. For this reason it is difficult to compare CTG to anything.
I don't shop much at LDV anymore. But, if you want to compare 9's and higher in Bocagrande versus San Jose, I'll take Bocagrande. Bocagrande also wins in safety and restaurants.
But I do live in Laguito and have more chicas than I can handle.
Try Loco Gringo for sports, food, Internet, and chicas. I spend a lot of time at the outside tables there. The girls parade by for your approval. And several working girls live in apartments above the restaurant.
Gentleman, so what if CTG gets a Del Rey South. No one is going to point a gun at your head and make you go there. I think that I might even enjoy a Del Rey in CTG. I enjoyed the one in CR. Besides any chicas that I would see there I would know to AVOID.
I guess I will have to check LDV my next trip so I know which chicas to avoid. I have not been inside for maybe 3+ years. I certainly remember my last time inside there. Guess it is story time.
About 3 & 1/2 years ago I was staying at Charleston Cartagena Hotel (see [url]http://www.southtravels.com/america...gena/index.html[/url] } I was paying about $120 a night. I had just broken up with yet another amor de mi vida. A local pimp was finding me chicas to help heal my broken heart :-) We were waiting in front of the Charlestown Hotel waiting for a chica to show up. He finally ran off somewhere trying to figure out where she was. I becamed bored so started wandering that street beside the Charlestown Hotel that leads to the Iglesia and Plaza de Santo Domingo. That is the plaza that has the Botero sculpture. Suddenly I see two chicas out window shopping and I fall madly in love with one of them. I mean like the earth MOVED!!! I followed them while they were window shopping and we play the stare and look flirting game. Then I decided that I would head back to the Hotel to see if the pimp was back. He was there but no chica so I tell him that I want him to intoduce me to this chica that I has just seen. Before we can leave, here comes to the two chicas strolling down the street. They had followed me. So he goes over to them and brings them back to me and introduces us.
(Newbies, Colombian chicas like to be introduced to you rather then just being picked up)
I invite them to spend the afternoon with me at the pool on top of the Charlestown Hotel. The friend declined but the new amor de mi vida goes home to get her bathing suit and that is the start of a very romantic 5 days.
All she cost me was the food that she ate and the price of drinks wherever we went to party. It was all free because it was love. About the third night, she wants me to take her out dancing so we go to her favorite night spot. Guess where?? LDV Turns out that she was one of the hard core pros that works out of there. I played dumb and pretended that I did not understand what LDV really was. I figured why mess up the romance. I still had a great 5 days but felt like a complete fool because I had managed to pick up a LDV working chica in the shopping area of the old city.
Well that was my last time inside of LDV.
So newbies when someone tells you that you can find chicas everywhere in CTG, well it is true. When you see a chica that you really like, go for it. You really never know what may happen. And I am not a young handsome stud like many of the guys on this board. I am one of the old farts that you all love to make fun of.
But Cartagena can be a very magical place where your dreams can come true. We all have our special dreams, but for most people they forever remain dreams because you are scared to even try. I live my dreams because I am willing to try. Perhaps it is time for some of you to try to live your dreams.
I find that it rather fun.
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]I hope Big John open his place really soon. That is what I missed when I was in CTG--a place where you can hang out, watch sports, drink coffee, eat food, and catch a chica all in one place. I did find a 24/7 internet cafe below LDV where you can catch sports, have coffee, eat food, and surf the internet.
Like I said before, You Del Rey season ticket holders need to stay put.... Big John is the biggest ***** of them all.....
Why would you want a friggin Del Rey hotel in CTG?, ok maybe out in Bosque or due east, but why make Laquito and Bocagrande even worse?
Del Rey= Higher prices for chicas, More touts, More bad people trying to prey on drunken gringos, More drunks, more Miami Hurricane fans, In san Jose it makes sense, for there is no beach, and San Jose is boring as hell. CTG has much more diversions.
Why would anyone want to pay $ 250-300K pesos in CTG for shorttime? This would be a consequence of a new Del rey....
Although I do agree regarding sports, CTG is not a good spot to watch sports, especially when USC is on the tube........... Myabe someone will open a sportsbar in Bocagrande.. Who knows?
just think, the lard ass gringos that know 25 words of spanish. they speak each and every one of them real loud so they are sure you can hear them.
fake ostrich skin cowboy boots, fake rolex watches, fake cuban cigars. they will pay the girls 100 dollars for one quick nut then give them a 100 dollar tip not to tell the other girls how small their dicks are. then they will come down to the bar and brag how she didn't even charge him because he was such a stud.
these morons will have a hard time dealing with the cartagena heat. let us pray that butch will not break out a speedo. the beach will be cluttered with lard ass gringos in grape smuggling outfits. tony the tout will soon be driving a mercedes as they begin selling miller lite on the beach. wannabe real estate tycoons maxing out their credit cards as they live the life they wish were true. continental will soon have a direct flight to cartagena from houston.
i hope that about the time shop gets set up and rolling, farc has an ak-47 parade and scares the living shit out of every one of them. let these assholes shit their pants all the way back to houston. if they want to watch sports tell them to find the nearest "hooters".
[quote=beavis] the beach will be cluttered with lard ass gringos in grape smuggling outfits. [/quote] god i hope not, i want to be a one-of-a-kind :-)
ps - fatboys don't get fat by spending alot of time on the beach.
Beavis;
Add the following:
1) They will have to build a TGIF's somewhere in CTG, to accomidate the gringos and their "dates"
2) Taxi rates will increase fivefold- remember you will have to pay the "chica" 12000 COP for taxi, to go from your hotel or apartment to her apartment in Bocagrande or in the conquisatdor..
3) The cigar guys outside the Del Rey will also work in CTG, selling their fake six year old cohibas, plus the shoeshine boys will also be taking the puddlejumper from san Jose to CTG, in order to shine the gringos fake ostrich boots, remember the humidity will have an adverse affect on their boots.
4) The fake nurse in her uniform will be trolling outside, yet she too, will drive away in her new lexus after her shift is over.
5) not only will Tony the Tout have a mercedes, but also a new set of shiny gold teeth,and a good haircut. Oh buy the way Miller Light will be $ 6 per bottle and a rum and coke will be $ 12.
Now you idiots who shill for a Del rey in Cartagena... DO YOU UNDERSTAND OUR DISGUST AND DO YOU DUMMIES UNDERSTAND WHAT COLLATERIAL DAMAGE YOU CAUSE BY SHILLING FOR THE DRUNK ASSHOLE JOHN????????????
Classic post Beavis.
this definately will have some adverse effect but i think it will be just a matter of time. as soon as these assholes get comfortable they will start their same shit as in san jose. one of them will slap a girl and insult her or one of john's imported bouncers will throw the wrong colombian out of his bar. about 40 banditos will show up and start a shower of balas, and a couple of tony lama butches will be splattered all over the sidewalk.
this event will be on every news channel as well as every website. hopefully about the time these assholes start to break out their speedo's they will renig and go back to san jose. the blue marlin inc. came into san jose and bought the city. they think that their money has a value that cannot be penetrated. let's hope that find out real soon that they can't buy colombia. there are people there that have a lot more money and power than tony lama butch.
if this doesn't happen let's start a business selling fake shit like rolex's and ostrich boots. free enterprize could be great with these dickheads. maybe we have at least scared a few of these assholes away.
what would really be scary would be the fat gringos from miami and houston wearing both speedo's and fake ostrich boots, smoking bad cigars while trolling down tony's beach...
oh the horror..... the horror........ the horror..........
we may need to bring back colonel kurtz and martin sheen back to resolve this potential problem
I couldn't agree with you more Zippy! I was in Cartagena over the July 4th weekend and found the same. It really wouldn't matter if I was the only gringo in the LDV, as there were no quality chicas to choose from anyway. I checked out the beach and all the casas and found the same. I would like to know where all the hotties went that weekend.
Devo
I cannot think of one good thing that the Blue Marlin south will bring to Colombia. Like I said I think that John is a little overconfident in his power by setting up shop in Colombia. Colombianos are not going to welcome a large influx of gringos sporting their money like they are bullerproof. As soon as Del Rey Inc. starts there will be others following along. I predict this dynasty will fall like the Roman Empire. Hopefully in a grotesque manner on a super busy weekend.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Cartagena is very seasonal. High season is very different from low season. There is no average. One night there could be a military ship in port with many guys checking out LDV. The next night could have 4 guys all night. For this reason it is difficult to compare CTG to anything.
I don't shop much at LDV anymore. But, if you want to compare 9's and higher in Bocagrande versus San Jose, I'll take Bocagrande. Bocagrande also wins in safety and restaurants.
But I do live in Laguito and have more chicas than I can handle.
Try Loco Gringo for sports, food, Internet, and chicas. I spend a lot of time at the outside tables there. The girls parade by for your approval. And several working girls live in apartments above the restaurant.[/QUOTE]By any chance are you the gentleman that is always out there with the laptop at Loco?
I will be going to CTG regardless :o) I mean I hear everyone complaining but maybe you guys have it good for so long you forget what normal is like? Try coming to shit hole Tijuana for a week and you will be running back to CTG in a second lol! I will guarantee you though I am not going to pay more than what the Colombian vets on here pay the ladies, Im not into screwing myself out of money and that is why I don't even head to TJ anymore...place is a joke!
Anyway, I hear a lot of places being mentioned below, like Laguito and Bocagrande, are these around CTG? I will probably go the MDE as well because I haven't heard these negatives comments about that area.
One last thing, does anyone know how to contact Mery? I looked around the appartments list for CTG but didn't see her listed, only Juan but that guy never contacted me back.
Thanks and take care.
Cali
read the threads on this board, from reading those threads you will find out where laquito and bocagrande are.
Cartagena certainly is not the problem, the problem is gringos acting stupid and paying way too much for chicas.... medellin even has more gringo mongers running around.
I can remember when the Hotel del Rey of San Jose was the over-flow hangout for the ugly chicas that couldn't get into the Key Largo ... back when it was good ... way back.
Cartagena can still be magical and fun but OBVIOUSLY it's getting more crowded and going downhill .... but that's for the guys who knew it when it was trully awesome.
For the newer guys it's no big deal ... for the San Jose del Rey guys its no big deal.
I'm off to other more "hidden" places ... but will always have fond memories of Cartagena.
Hey TREESHARK ... I liked your story of meeting that chica who turned out to work in LDV. Goes to show that if you treat these chicas nicely, no matter what their employment might be, they will treat you soooooo much better.
Some guys will NEVER understand that.
To all ..... Suerte!
I never use a laptop at Loco Gringo. That would distract me from the parade.
This site has maps to find Laguito and Bocagrande which are neighborhoods in CTG: [url]http://www.cartagenainfo.net/[/url]
<help.
<i will be in for a few days. can someone tell me where i can sneak off. i am staying at the dorado hotel. not a very good hotel i hate to say. in until the 29th.
Again I ask that the Hotel Del rey season ticket holders stay put. No fake ostrich boots, fake Rolex's. You guys will not do well in Cartagena, stay in san Jose, breathe the clean air there, enjoy the classy women, and barter with the cigar guys, for also here the touts will also become millionaires upon your presence here.
You can find Mery's Email address and phone number on her web site, [url]http://www.colombiarental.com/rentals/index.htm[/url]. I'd post them here, but they'd get wiped from the message due to ISG's privacy policy.
A question, who the hell is John?
[QUOTE=California Guy]I will be going to CTG regardless :o) I mean I hear everyone complaining but maybe you guys have it good for so long you forget what normal is like? Try coming to shit hole Tijuana for a week and you will be running back to CTG in a second lol! I will guarantee you though I am not going to pay more than what the Colombian vets on here pay the ladies, Im not into screwing myself out of money and that is why I don't even head to TJ anymore...place is a joke!
Anyway, I hear a lot of places being mentioned below, like Laguito and Bocagrande, are these around CTG? I will probably go the MDE as well because I haven't heard these negatives comments about that area.
One last thing, does anyone know how to contact Mery? I looked around the appartments list for CTG but didn't see her listed, only Juan but that guy never contacted me back.
Thanks and take care.
Cali[/QUOTE]Go to [url]http://www.cifaeci.org.co/cartagena/images/mapactg.gif[/url]
Or go to [url]http://www.cartagenacaribe.com/ggeneral/mapas.htm[/url]
then go Acceso a Cartagena and look at that map.
remember the info for Juan [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url]
The picture at the very top is Bocagrande
To whomever ity concerns. Mery's address is mentioned currently a couple of times on this strand. See:
08-06-05 at 17:22 #850
Otown51
[QUOTE=TheShadow2]Otown51,
Can you give us more details on the prices you're quoting for LDV? If accurate, that is quite a development. It's been a while since anyone reported an LDV girl going anywhere for 80,000, or 100,000 for TLN.
Is this an average, or was it just one chica one time?
I've had a regular girl my last 4 trips or so, but from all the reports here of rising prices, this is very interesting...[/QUOTE]
This stuff I'm reading about is very sad with LDV, I was there May/June of 2005 as I was getting TLN (till the sun came up)for 65k for two 8's I had a menage with and another chick who was a smokin morena 9 many of u probably have banged (alexandra?) for 70k short time (3hr), I even have a report I posted around that time. @ trippleterra it was even less, I gave a chick $10 US out of there and she was a 8....lol. Trippleterra is more down home and not as stuck up as LDV. I also banged a lot of chicks gratis just meting in stores, clubs in the arsenal district (very stuck up), and online and the mall and @ other clubs east of the city on pedro heredia. Man those weeerree some good times. Even though I'm young (26 and in great shape w/spanish a little bit of spanish but loads of charm) I can't imagine paying a chick 100k -200k sounds like its getting ridiculous down there! CTG was my little hide away spot away from DR but now I might have to switch it up. I was thinking about taking my friend down there to show him the magical LDV and other places in and around CTG but looks like I might head the other way to santa marta now....sad, looks like its too late and the word is out on ctg.... But I still think if I went down there I'd be able to get a bargain..but I guess I will have 2 go to find out!
Many people obviously want to keep CTG for themselves. I live here and welcome everyone. Generally nothing is as good or as bad as some would have you believe.
Atlanta, you must be a stud. I was paying 100K for short time to LDV girls in 2003. I generally avoid LDV mostly because I like to go to bed early. I now pay girls I run into in various places 40 to 60K for short time. Truth be known, I'd pay them extra to leave after an hour. I have too many non-pros who hang around a lot and sleep over.
John is part-owner of the Hotel del Rey in San Jose, Costa Rica. He has bought some property in Laguito, and some guys fear the importation of the SJ crowd to CTG.
<i am in cartengena and trying to make the best of a bad situation with an ex gf. can someone tell me where laquito is or ld'? or any incall type places?
thanks
[quote]<i am in cartengena and trying to make the best of a bad situation with an ex gf. can someone tell me where laquito is or ld'? or any incall type places?
thanks[/quote]
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Dude.
How hard can it be?
1. Write on a piece of paper "La Dolce Vita".
2. Hail a taxi.
3. Pass piece of paper to taxi driver.
4. You're all set.
Get there after 11.30pm.
PM me if you want, and I can draw you a diagram of where to find your ass and your elbow!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]John is part-owner of the Hotel del Rey in San Jose, Costa Rica. He has bought some property in Laguito, and some guys fear the importation of the SJ crowd to CTG.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I was curious.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Many people obviously want to keep CTG for themselves. I live here and welcome everyone. Generally nothing is as good or as bad as some would have you believe.
Atlanta, you must be a stud. I was paying 100K for short time to LDV girls in 2003. I generally avoid LDV mostly because I like to go to bed early. I now pay girls I run into in various places 40 to 60K for short time. Truth be known, I'd pay them extra to leave after an hour. I have too many non-pros who hang around a lot and sleep over.
John is part-owner of the Hotel del Rey in San Jose, Costa Rica. He has bought some property in Laguito, and some guys fear the importation of the SJ crowd to CTG. [/QUOTE]I could not resist in adding my two cents. Although I have to agree with you Tom 33 that Atlanta finest must be a stud, I have frequent been getting TLN for 100k (of course they all ask for taxis money). These are your 7s and 8s. For the few 9s 125k for TLN should be the norm. There are too many girls in LDV that are willing to go for less. And there are your hard liners that won't take less that 150 TLN. Please pass them by and soon the price will go down. I know some guys here will say I am going to spend the money to get that 10, but please think about your fellow mongers when you do this. If we keep this up soon Ctg will be just like the rest of the world. Over priced!
[QUOTE=Cachorro]??
Dude.
How hard can it be?
1. Write on a piece of paper "La Dolce Vita".
2. Hail a taxi.
3. Pass piece of paper to taxi driver.
4. You're all set.
Get there after 11.30pm.
PM me if you want, and I can draw you a diagram of where to find your ass and your elbow![/QUOTE]
I almost spilled my beer on my keyboard laughing at this..............
[QUOTE=Ricker]I can remember when the Hotel del Rey of San Jose was the over-flow hangout for the ugly chicas that couldn't get into the Key Largo ... back when it was good ... way back.
Cartagena can still be magical and fun but OBVIOUSLY it's getting more crowded and going downhill .... but that's for the guys who knew it when it was trully awesome.
For the newer guys it's no big deal ... for the San Jose del Rey guys its no big deal.
I'm off to other more "hidden" places ... but will always have fond memories of Cartagena.
Hey TREESHARK ... I liked your story of meeting that chica who turned out to work in LDV. Goes to show that if you treat these chicas nicely, no matter what their employment might be, they will treat you soooooo much better.
Some guys will NEVER understand that.
To all ..... Suerte![/QUOTE]
I in no way advocate treating the chicas badly however I am not so sure being extra nice is the way to go either. I have seen it many times, Mr Niceguy gets pegged as a pendejo and personal banking machine. I have also seen where the extended family also juice the gringo for $$$. Nothing wrong with being nice, just not too nice.
I said "be nice", not "stupid" ... big difference. Suerte
[QUOTE=Treeshark]Gentleman, so what if CTG gets a Del Rey South. No one is going to point a gun at your head and make you go there. I think that I might even enjoy a Del Rey in CTG. I enjoyed the one in CR. Besides any chicas that I would see there I would know to AVOID.
That is your opinion, a lot of other people on this board, go to Cartagena, because it is not like San jose, If they enjoy San Jose so much and the great Hotel Rey so much, then stay put. Keep the Fake rolexes, drunk texans or Floridians in San Jose.
It is kind of like securing our borders, keep the illegals out. Well Cartagena is our border, "keep the fat and drunk Del rey gringos out"
Like Dean Wermer said in Animal House to Flounder....
"Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life son"
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Like Dean Wermer said in Animal House to Flounder....
"Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life son"[/QUOTE]But Dean Wermer was W-R-O-N-G. To each his own, but I'm about done with your jealous attack on drunk fatboys.
Here's a thought: Instead of displaying your eating inferiority complex, just tell us where your favorite spots are and the places that are farthest away from them; that we both will be happy.
Sorry there is no crispy creme stands in cartagena, nor TGIF Friday's.....
I do think that if you get hungry on the beach in CTG, that the touts will sell you shrimp by the kilo..... I think.
You have no sense of humor do you Ticasonar?
Changing Subjects,
Does anyone know the aprox. location of Club Miami? I here that it is like a casa but more daytime possibilities. Correct me, if I am mistaken...
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Sorry there is no crispy creme stands in cartagena, nor TGIF Friday's.....[/QUOTE] Only Yankees waste time getting fat eating 'chain' food and if you see me in or near an American restaurant, please biotch slap me...but now Crispy Creme...lawd have mercy that's a shame...birthplace of that great heathen food is about hour from the house...."HOT DONUTS NOW"
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]I do think that if you get hungry on the beach in CTG, that the touts will sell you shrimp by the kilo..... I think.[/QUOTE]Question now: is it a good price...come on, don't hold back on us with the info.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]You have no sense of humor do you Ticasonar?[/QUOTE]I thought my last post dripped with humor; I really tried :)
I've got limited amount of time before I become PaisaSonar, just purchased a tix wallago, so I need you great information banks to stay on topic and dole out the goods. Please!
The one that I know is in Centro. You walk out the door of Tu Candela and take a left for about 4 blocks. Go left one block and it is on the corner. It's not a casa, only a club. Never saw any daytime action there or much of any action at any time.
I did bring a chica home from there a couple of years ago. She was hot and a decent fuck. When we finished, I asked for her number. She wrote down 200.000. Then I asked for her numero de telefono, ignored the 200.000, and gave her 80K.
[QUOTE=Ticasonar]Here's a thought: Instead of displaying your eating inferiority complex, just tell us where your favorite spots are and the places that are farthest away from them; that we both will be happy.[/QUOTE]I can tell you, if you start taking the LDV girls out to dinner they sometimes go through an interesting transformation. I was taking one girl out to various tourist places Restaurante Pelikanos and one of the restaurants up on the Cartagena ramparts, as well as late night Perros Hawaianos at the restaurant near LDV (don't think too much about what's going on in the kitchen, it will kill the experience). I do enjoy the Perro Hawaiano, but your mileage may vary. But my point is, this girl went through a transformation where she did not want me to pay her (cool!), but where she did not want me taking other girls home (not cool!).
Am staying at the Cartagena Hilton Labor Day weekend (using Hilton points). I have seen conflicting reports about it being girl friendly. Can anyone elaborate?
Thanks for the info.
Treeshark
That was a really good story actually...and who cares how old you are, you can never be too old to live out a lifelong dream right? Guys on here making fun of "old farts" are prob. just a little insecure about themselves and their futures.
[QUOTE=East Sider 300]Am staying at the Cartagena Hilton Labor Day weekend (using Hilton points). I have seen conflicting reports about it being girl friendly. Can anyone elaborate?
Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]I would say not friendly.
On the upside, the facilities are probably the nicest in town, you will enjoy.
At the door to the hilton are usually not one, but several security guards- we got pretty chummy with them (spent a week using the ATM/restaurant/pool despite staying across the street in dumpy apt). There are also lots of families/reg. tourists around. You would get the hellafied bug-eye trying to check in a chica.
However; I did have occasion to bribe one of these guards, they are nice guys.
If you are discreet (or have a steady novia/gfe) and take care of the guards, you can probly swing it.
However if drunk coming back @3am from LDV, no way man.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]But my point is, this girl went through a transformation where she did not want me to pay her (cool!), but where she did not want me taking other girls home (not cool!).[/QUOTE]
That's where you went from the "girlfriend experience" to the "girlfriend" experience. Though actually, I think the deal for you was worse than you think: the fact that she didn´t want you to pay her directly doesn´t mean she doesn´t want you to pay at all. You just pay indirectly, instead. But no taking other girls, of course.
A while ago, I wrote about it in the Rio de Janeiro section:
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=463740&postcount=1050[/url]
Some things don't change regardless of where you are.
EA
Great post donut! SO TRUE about how a puta can morph into novia in a heartbeat! Better for them to expect payment than expect fidelity I say!
I also liked your comment about what goes down in the kitchen at that hotdog stand (often the only place nearby to get a bite if you re out real late).
Treeshark: Ditto what Robhay said about the insecurity of certain youngsters. Colombia is NOT like America because the older guy CAN compete. Unlike in SE asia where being old is a PLUS more often than not, IMHO age IS a factor in Colombia, but nothing like in the wasteland.
MSJDogs: Easiest way to find Miami is to look for the TOWER of the University. As you face the entrance to the building, walk towards your left and on the right side of the stret just past the first intersection is Miami (Bright Green door, unless they repainted it). VERY hit or miss spot, but worth a look (as is the courtyard of the university but I probably shouldn't post about that here).
was torn down. The entire area from Riquissimo to Edificio Antares is being demolished to make way for a retail/residential complex. That makes four buildings under construction in Laguito alone.
MSJDogs: Easiest way to find Miami is to look for the TOWER of the University. As you face the entrance to the building, walk towards your left and on the right side of the stret just past the first intersection is Miami (Bright Green door, unless they repainted it). VERY hit or miss spot, but worth a look (as is the courtyard of the university but I probably shouldn't post about that here).[/QUOTE]
My esteemed friend Surfer, thank You, you also tipped me off for an afternoon excursion to the university, maybe I will find a co-ed to assist my in my doctoral thesis in Carnal Studies, But I don't think Berkeley or Santa cruz will give me credits though... maybe USC will.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs][QUOTE=Treeshark]Gentleman, so what if CTG gets a Del Rey South. No one is going to point a gun at your head and make you go there. I think that I might even enjoy a Del Rey in CTG. I enjoyed the one in CR. Besides any chicas that I would see there I would know to AVOID.
That is your opinion, a lot of other people on this board, go to Cartagena, because it is not like San jose, If they enjoy San Jose so much and the great Hotel Rey so much, then stay put. Keep the Fake rolexes, drunk texans or Floridians in San Jose.
It is kind of like securing our borders, keep the illegals out. Well Cartagena is our border, "keep the fat and drunk Del rey gringos out"
Like Dean Wermer said in Animal House to Flounder....
"Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life son"[/QUOTE]
Sigh, Treeshark change mind and now agree with MJG Dogs. If you want to go the Del Ray go to Costa Rica.
However life is change. I first went to CTG in April of 1999. I would prefer CTG like it was then. I would prefer CTG without the Italians, the Colombian touts, the heat, the humidity, and a Del Rey South. But life is change. So I will enjoy myself today and worry about what may happen in the future another day. And who knows, maybe the horse will learn to sing.
see treeshark, despite what you have pointed out, ctg is still much better than san jose...
now heads up, the italians are easy to spot...
1) they are the ones on the beach wearing the grape smuggling swimsuits on the beach, with their gold chains and gucci man bags..
2) they are the ones who will make noise and party all night long, without any regard to their neighbors.
3) they are the ones whom will be sweating all night long, due to excessive cocaine usage.
4) they will be the ones who are playing soccer on the beach, with some local kids, that will say nasty things to the kids in order to win ( italian way)
then some six year old kid will head-butt the drunken italian, causing the italian to roll on the beach in agonizing pain, ( overdramatic of course). tony the tout and his medical staff will treat the italian's injury, and then charge him $ 100,000 pesos for services rendered.
5) they will be the ones in the restraunt next to you that never shut up, talk too damm loud and blow cigarette smoke all over the place.
god i hope they are not in cartagena in august. if so, it will be great fun to mock them..........
perhaps there will be less this year because the IDF has mobilized the reserves for the Lebanon invasion and its aftermath (GO IDF!), but there used to be LOTS of young Israelis just out of the IDF who hung in a clique and had wild parties in an infamous apartment where they sway by the dozens. They did NOT mingle with the other foreigners but ran around as a group, often with VERY hot Colombianas in tow (it is widely rumored these chicas were provided unlimited free nosecandy in exchange for sex).
Been 20 years since my first (and last) visit to Costa Rica so I cannot personally compare the two.
As for the heat and humidity, I was there in February and was STUNNED how pleasant the climate was (the locals complained about the cold spell!). My friend was there last week and swears he will never go back (and he lives in South Florida so is accustomed to hell like heat & humidity). Be prepared for Africa hot climate in August dogs (hell California was almost Africa Hot 2 weeks ago!) The global warming sceptics are denying reality-time to move FAR North if you like moderate temps!)
At least they won't be outbidding us for chicas. The young Israelis spend all their limited funds on powder and smoke, and the Italians either don't have or won't spend the money.
I haven't spent much time with Italians because of the language barrier. I do have one friend from Italy who lives in Laguito. I've set him up with a couple of chicas.
I enjoy the Israelis, but I won't party with them. I have managed to scarf up some table scraps though. Those young hardbodies do attract some smokin' chicas. I think that Noam's business may suffer some now with the call-ups.
The lagoon has been dredged out so that boats can come in from the bay. Rumor has it that a marina or two will be built.
[QUOTE=Surfer]perhaps there will be less this year because the IDF has mobilized the reserves for the Lebanon invasion and its aftermath (GO IDF!), but there used to be LOTS of young Israelis just out of the IDF who hung in a
As for the heat and humidity, I was there in February and was STUNNED how pleasant the climate was (the locals complained about the cold spell!). My friend was there last week and swears he will never go back (and he lives in South Florida so is accustomed to hell like heat & humidity). Be prepared for Africa hot climate in August dogs (hell California was almost Africa Hot 2 weeks ago!) The global warming sceptics are denying reality-time to move FAR North if you like moderate temps!)[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know Lafayette last week 107 degrees, insane. here in the people's republic of villaconquista ( los Angeles), it was 100 and humid.
Surfer, I was there last labor day week for 2 wks, I know how humid it can be..
yes, I do not think we will see too many israeli's. yes, my description of the Italians, can be used on the Israeli's also, sans point #4, pertaining to soccer, if a little kid head butted and israeli, the israel would karate kick or punch the kid, unlike the Italian, who would fall to his knees.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]At least they won't be outbidding us for chicas. The young Israelis spend all their limited funds on powder and smoke, and the Italians either don't have or won't spend the money.[/QUOTE]
Well we know that the Italians are not spending their money on soap, lol.
Hey Beav, Howzit Bro? When are you getting the hell out of Dumboland and getting back to an unspecified and unduly dangerous area of Colombia ?
Dogs: Yea the Israelis HAVE to be tough to survive surrounded by towelheaded terrorists determined to destroy their country.
[QUOTE=Beavis]Well we know that the Italians are not spending their money on soap, lol.[/QUOTE]One LDV chica that I had over for the night. I asked her if she liked the Italians. She pointed to her armpit, made a nasty face, and said 'NO!'.
[QUOTE=Gonzo]One LDV chica that I had over for the night. I asked her if she liked the Italians. She pointed to her armpit, made a nasty face, and said 'NO!'.[/QUOTE] I think the Italian's have made an impact on the LDV chicas because everyone I met always said "ciao" after I paid her LOL.Shout out to Tom33 the man in Laguito.I stayed in 902 in July and read your book "Mi Moto Fidel" between sessions I'll return in November and will stop in to see you...."CIAO"
Xion,
thanks very much for the info. This is definitely helpful. I will put on my "bribe" hat on when I get there to try to work an arrangement with the guards.
Worst come to worst, I'll find a quickie motel.
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Xion149]I would say not friendly.
On the upside, the facilities are probably the nicest in town, you will enjoy.
At the door to the hilton are usually not one, but several security guards- we got pretty chummy with them (spent a week using the ATM/restaurant/pool despite staying across the street in dumpy apt). There are also lots of families/reg. tourists around. You would get the hellafied bug-eye trying to check in a chica.
However; I did have occasion to bribe one of these guards, they are nice guys.
If you are discreet (or have a steady novia/gfe) and take care of the guards, you can probly swing it.
However if drunk coming back @3am from LDV, no way man.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to be in Cargatena for the first time this summer. Been reading this forum. What kind of place is LDV? Is it a strip club or what? Columbian section doesn't seem to be thorough compared to Rio. someone give me the low downs pls.
Cheers
I guess John better hurry it looks like his patrons are going to be waiting for him.
Scary beav, Isn't it. We need to do a better job of persuading them to stay in Costa Rica. Some people on this board welcome them like Koffe Annun and the United Nations. hell they might as well also welcome hezbollah also.......
all we need is one incident where tony lama butch gets the shit scared out of him. we are moving to colombia in 2009, not cartagena though, rednecks in speedos are enough to keep me away.
[QUOTE=Droplet]I'm going to be in Cargatena for the first time this summer. Been reading this forum. What kind of place is LDV? Is it a strip club or what? Columbian section doesn't seem to be thorough compared to Rio. someone give me the low downs pls.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Driplet its colOmbia COLOMBIA. Just busting your balls. LDV is a smaller version of HELP in Rio, the girls are all free lancers so hone your negotiating skills.
[QUOTE=Mule69]I think the Italian's have made an impact on the LDV chicas because everyone I met always said "ciao" after I paid her LOL.[/QUOTE]Almost all the women whom I met in CTG say "chau" (that's how they spelled it in Adultfriendfinder email exchanges) - citizens, beach chicas, street chicas, LDVistas, etc. Don't know if it is cultural/local lingo or a result of Italian tourists.
[QUOTE=East Sider 300]Xion,
thanks very much for the info. This is definitely helpful. I will put on my "bribe" hat on when I get there to try to work an arrangement with the guards.
Worst come to worst, I'll find a quickie motel.
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
I stayed there once. If you are renting room as a double, you put the chica's name on your registration card at front desk and you will have no problems as long as she has an ID with that name on it. Bribing guard to bring them in during the day should work. When I was there, I brought them in during the day without any problems for about a week.
For at night just go to a quickie motel.
People there will act like your mother trying to protect your virtue from the evil chicas. I did enjoy the breakfast there.
[QUOTE=Droplet]I'm going to be in Cargatena for the first time this summer. Been reading this forum. What kind of place is LDV? Is it a strip club or what? Columbian section doesn't seem to be thorough compared to Rio. someone give me the low downs pls.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
LDV is an overpriced ripoff bar run and owned by Italians. They will try to get you to run a tab so they can pad the hell out of it. Your $25 tab will magically turn into a $100 tab when it is time to pay the bill.
The Columbian chicas there are just as bad. In Medellin you can get a Colombian chica for 20,000 pesos for 1/2 hour. Your Columbian LDV chicas try to get 200,000 pesos.
Lots of guys on this board do not want new people to go to CTG. They are worried that their 60,000 pesos per session Colombian chicas will turn into 250,000 pesos per session Columbian chicas.
I am certain that you can understand their concerns.
It really doesn't matter. The Del Rey Inc. is going to roll a red carpet to all of the people that make Americans look bad. Best bet for the Colombia vets is to stay away from Cartagena, it's already too far gone. Between the Costa Rica jerk offs and the ones that have been reeled in by Senor Tacano the place is done with.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]LDV is an overpriced ripoff bar run and owned by Italians. They will try to get you to run a tab so they can pad the hell out of it. Your $25 tab will magically turn into a $100 tab when it is time to pay the bill.
The Columbian chicas there are just as bad. In Medellin you can get a Colombian chica for 20,000 pesos for 1/2 hour. Your Columbian LDV chicas try to get 200,000 pesos.
Lots of guys on this board do not want new people to go to CTG. They are worried that their 60,000 pesos per session Colombian chicas will turn into 250,000 pesos per session Columbian chicas.
I am certain that you can understand their concerns.[/QUOTE]
In Cartagena you can get 20k chicas for 1/2 an hour. It's just that most foreign mongers don't want to spend their 5 day vacation hunting for low end street girls in Getsemani's skid row streets.
You can also pay 150k or more in Medellin. Medellin Mansion, anyone? Fase Dos? Loutron?
If you are going to compare two completely different experiences, you should at least recognise that they're not equal. One is a GFE that lasts for hours. The other is a quick, usually less passionate experience with a higher volume hooker.
I guess that all of Colombia has gone to hell.
Wonder what the pussy is like in Tibet?
People can whine all day long, but they aren't going to change a thing.
This Colombia resident rather enjoys Cartagena with all its shortcomings. If desired there will always be many places free of extranjeros. I live and let live. I needn't spend time with anyone unless I so choose. And I don't feel the need to impose my likes and dislikes on others.
If you don't like whatever you don't like, feel free to exit.
See you in November, Mule.
apparently somebody knew he was carrying a couple million pesos on him and shot him in the head to get it. This was not in tourist areas, but you guys buying apartments should bear this in mind when you carry WAY more than 2 millon Pesos on your person about in CTG or anywhere else in Colombia.
yes surfer I saw the posting on Bruce's board. I never carry more than 100K at any time period.....
Could just have easily been Tony Lama Butch. That's why we keep saying that Colombia is not the place for the typical Gringo Tourist. Thanks for the news, I am not welcome on the Kiss Ass board anymore.
[QUOTE=Surfer]apparently somebody knew he was carrying a couple million pesos on him and shot him in the head to get it. This was not in tourist areas, but you guys buying apartments should bear this in mind when you carry WAY more than 2 millon Pesos on your person about in CTG or anywhere else in Colombia.[/QUOTE]
Personally I think it was a professional hit. Among those low life criminals, you kill a relative when you want to send a message to someone. The crackhead could have been late with his police bribes, owed his drug dealers money, or just the start of gang warfare over turf.
I stay away from that area of the beach to avoid the crackhead and his gang anyway. So I do not have to worry about being hit by stray bullet.
You are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]LDV is an overpriced ripoff bar run and owned by Italians. They will try to get you to run a tab so they can pad the hell out of it. Your $25 tab will magically turn into a $100 tab when it is time to pay the bill.[/QUOTE]
I´ve been to LDV a few times, but I can NOT confirm this assessment. No admission, drink prices are very reasonable (no lady's drinks, for example), and if you're getting that smashed that you lose track of how much you had, well, that's really your problem, just like it would be a problem in any joint anywhere in the world. Never had any problem with padded bills at LDV.
So much about LDV. Please note that all the girls there are freelancers that are not associated with LDV in any way or fashion at all. It's just the place they hang out at.
Now that the LDV girls are of the brand "mercenary Colombian hookers looking for inexperienced foreign mongers that are prone to overpaying", there is no doubt about. When I say overpaying, I mean overpaying by local (i.e. Colombian) standards. Again, if you fall into this category, that's really your problem, even more so after reading all the valuable advice on this board. Read, evaluate, and decide whether LDV is what you are looking for... or not. Does the price/value ratio seem about right to you, or not? Your call, nobody else's. Not that difficult, right?
Now that there will be a CTG-Del Rey, do you think the girls are going to like it? Considering that there will likely be even more inexperienced mongers even more prone to overpaying, you bet they will love it. No reason to go there for me... or for you, or for anyone else.
EA
Austriaco Hits LDV right on the head....
Don't act drunk and stupid, don't buy chicas many many drinks. I always go to the bar and pay for each drink, instead of running a tab...
Yes, if you cannot speak some spanish and do not know the ropes, then you will come accross like a Tony lama Butch ( as beavis spells out), and will get taken.
Also leave the god damm ostrich boots and fake rolex watches back in Houston, Dallas or Miami ..please.....
Is it dry time again here in Cartgena? Somone mentioned it in passing today.
I guess that means everythings shut til Tuesday? If anyone knows please let me know. What do people do during this time?
[quote=mjg dogs]also leave the god damm ostrich boots and fake rolex watches back in houston, dallas or miami ..please.....[/quote]
and for god's sake leave the speedos home too. nobody regardless of origin wants to see a middle age gringo in a "peter suit".
[quote=beavis]and for god's sake leave the speedos home too. nobody regardless of origin wants to see a middle age gringo in a "peter suit".[/quote]do you enjoy seeing other guys in weenie bikinis? i would just as soon the only person wearing a bikini be the hot colombianas.
how about providing some constructive info beavis, heh heh heh. and tell us noobs what appropriate attire is for ctg. otherwise, we're sure to ruin your day and drive up prices. both of which i would like to avoid.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]Personally I think it was a professional hit. Among those low life criminals, you kill a relative when you want to send a message to someone. The crackhead could have been late with his police bribes, owed his drug dealers money, or just the start of gang warfare over turf.
I stay away from that area of the beach to avoid the crackhead and his gang anyway. So I do not have to worry about being hit by stray bullet.
You are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.[/QUOTE]
Just think 2,000,000 pesos is less than $ 850 USD....
he was not killed on the beach, but in a barrio. Your more apt to get hit by a stray nail file from the beach manicurists than by a stray bullet... Who really knows the reason, but use some common sense, Don't Play the TONY LAMA BUTCH ROLE WITH IN CARTAGENA>>>>>>
[quote=ticasonar]do you enjoy seeing other guys in weenie bikinis? i would just as soon the only person wearing a bikini be the hot colombianas.[/quote]
i think the phrase which included "leave the speedos" home was obviously aimed towards the lack of desire, to see these palm beach creatures. as for the proper attire i am sure the del rey handbook will have all of your needed information.
[quote=beavis]i think the phrase which included "leave the speedos" home was obviously aimed towards the lack of desire, to see these palm beach creatures. as for the proper attire i am sure the del rey handbook will have all of your needed information.[/quote]
what a great line beavis about the del rey handbook. that one had me almost falling off of my chair with laughter.
these dopes have no clue... they equate everything with costa rica
I haven't seen any mention of this club, but judging by the looks of it, it appears to be new. It is located a few blocks "left" of the main clock tower in the old city, on a corner. It flies some Egypt-looking flags outside.
It is a very attractive club with a pretty interesting DJ. The women were on average very attractive, on par with LDV, but seemingly a bit more amateurish. There were only a couple dozen women on a Thursday night. The club includes a stage and pole, with occasional performances (though they were somewhat uninspirining).
My pal was given the following quote: $300k to the girl, TLN, + $150k bar fee. He eventually paid $220k total, he didn't care how they diviied it up. His report was the young woman was very attractive, and eager, yet not very seasoned in the sack.
We are moving to Colombia in 2009. It won't be Cartagena though. My wife is from there but, too many Americans will be camped out there by 2009. Look at real estate prices throughout the entire country and they are already triple in Cartagena. That's just a sign of what's coming.
Nonetheless, it has been quite entertaining to discuss the possibilities and probabilities of Tony Lama Butch. There are so many of him, and they are so silly with their egos.
When I first started going to Costa Rica I would fly Lacsa flight 670 and 671 from New Orleans. AKA the milk run, Leave @ 7:00 a.m. stop in Cancun, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, then on to San Jose. It was a 6 hour flight but Ron Centenario was free so I didn't care. The part I hated the worst was the return flight. The final stop was Cancun @ 8:00 p.m. The plane would then be loaded with drunk gringos all wearing sombreros or something evident that they were clueless tourists. This final 2 hours we would hear their stories just before we were greeted by the typical U.S. Customs/Immigration assholes. From there I had to go to sea for a month. Maybe that's why I stopped going, the tourists from Cancun. Tony Lama Butch could have been on that flight.
Hi, guys.
I just arrived in Cartagena this morning. After a visit to the supermarket, I found out that alcohol is banned until Tuesday 6 AM.
Does it mean that LDV and the casas will be closed tonight and tomorrow? How do you cope with such situations? Just SWs from Laguito? I guess that Tripleterra, Mr. Babilla and the such will also be closed if they cannot sell alcoholic beverages.
Please advise.
Reports to come.
Yep, LDV and the other discotecas will all be closed. I am pretty sure the casas are closed too, though I never visited and checked.
You might find a few LDV girls in town, however most that live nearby will take the chance to go home for the weekend.
I don't have much constructive to suggest, except go out to the islands for the day. This usually involves getting up early in the morning, which can be hard to do if you're playing until 4am or 5am every morning. Tours leave from the big boat dock that you see on your right hand side when travelling into the Old Town coming from the Laguito direction.
1) Where is the best place to live in Colombia. Saftey is still # 1, you pay for saftey. Gringo = $$$ = target. People in colombia are hungry.
2) CTG is spoiled and overrun. Yet still a great place.
3) Itilians dress very good and pay way to much.
4) Pros. Show me the money. Euros, dollars, pesos, a 18 year old girl with no education can convert any of these in a second.
5) Tony told me about his brother. Tony is on something. Dosent matter. 99% of his girls are crap. But the 1% are worth a look. There is a girl there now until August when she goes back to school. 20 years old, great body and can take almost all of your dick in her throat. She will try to take you for as much money as she can. Its her tuition. Your just a tourist.
6) Israelis: sure some of the hard bodies get some very nice girl. But it still comes dowm to the beans. No money no game. Women do not go for broke guys in any country. A fat wallet makes you sexy. They really are not a factor.
The big sandwich is very good at the Israelis place. Also the guys that own the place are very good guys. They will not rip you off.
7) Seems everywhere is spoiled now. I will not. Never pay $100 for a girl. In fact it has turned me away from the casas and pro scene. You can find very cheap girls in colombia.
You can find anything you want there. The internet that has opened up everything and is also driving everything underground.
8) Some women in Santo Domingo will rival any girl in colombia.
9) Colombia: . Big firm tits.
10) University girls in CTG. They will always be there.
It comes down to if you travel there often or live there.
In any country.
You can watch the inaugural activities on TV.
I never was much into the bar/disco/casa scene. Just go out and mix with the people. It's amazing what can turn up in a simple conversation. If worse comes to worse, think of it as leche management.
You, Sir, show outstanding wisdom.
""CTG is spoiled and overrun. Yet still a great place.
Gringo = $$$ = target. People in colombia are hungry.
Women do not go for broke guys in any country. A fat wallet makes you sexy.
University girls in CTG. They will always be there.
You can find very cheap girls in colombia.
You can find anything you want there. The internet that has opened up everything and is also driving everything underground.
It comes down to if you travel there often or live there.In any country.""
True words of wisdom concerning both CTG and Colombia
""The big sandwich is very good at the Israelis place. Also the guys that own the place are very good guys. They will not rip you off.""
I have no idea where this place is. Can anyone give me the name and location?? I would like to try it. A place with good food where I do not have to worry about my wallet or back sounds real good to me.
The restaurant is called Manchi's. It is also known as the Israeli Restaurant. It is near the Punto.com Internet Cafe and Loco Gringo across the street from LDV. It was started by Noam in 2003. Noam is from Tel Aviv, married to a Paisa. Recently another Israeli, Schlomy married to a gal from Quindio, bought half the business. Like most younger Israelis, they speak good English. They are both great guys.
The big sandwich is called a Shawarma. They also do a plato del dia that is cheap, good, and a lot of food.
Hi, guys.
I arrived yesterday morning. Paid COP 13K for the cab to Laguito.
I'm lodged at Marina del Rey, an apartment at the 10th floor. I found that apartment through a realtor recommended by Juan Ventura. It is called Inmobiliaria Diaz Ruiz. They charge me COP 90K per day, A/C but not hot water (not an issue).
The apartment is basic, and just acceptable for my standards (maybe below standards for other people). Except for a couple of minor details (not nice furniture, kitchen not completely restorted, bathroom light not working but being repaired), it works for me. They provided towels and such. Cell phone and safebox were also provided, each for USD 2 per day. The building so far was quiet for sleeping, but noisy during the dust hours (parties and such). You can buy food and such at Olimpica, at Calle 3.
This city is completely different from Cali. It is clearly a tourist town, with prices varying widely across the city (you may pay COP 1.5K for 1 hour Internet at Downtown and COP 3K at Laguito). Lots of restaurants, emerald stores, handcrafts stores and touts. I found the touts less annoying than those at Maceio and Fortaleza in Brasil, although I did't and wouldn't lay at the Bocagrande beach (too dirty and noisy to relax). I was also approached by the infamous Tony, but his hassle lasted for 10 seconds since ignoring touts works easily.
Weather is an issue during these days. Too hot and humid for keeping dry and clean for more than 15 minutes. I wonder how do members cope with this weather all year round.
Ley seca didn't hinder me to meet a non-pro. We went to Crepes & Waffles at the Old City. Great and affordable food. I also took advantage of the quiet afternoon to spot LDV, Tiplerterra, Babilla, Tu Candela and the such.
Oh, the Old City... this is one of the most beautiful places I ever visited, and by far the best colonial Spaniard town I ever saw (much more than La Havana Vieja). Too touristy, perhaps, but romantic and enticing anyway.
I will continue with the non-pro action, but it wouldn't hurt to watch the SW scene to see what is available. Where do girls meet? I heard that in front of the Torre del Reloj there are many college girls, but now is that place is now under construction. Also, LDV had more cops and soldiers yesterday than girls (maybe due to what Tom explained).
If you are a side-mongering traveler like I, you may want to go to the Tayrona park close to Santa Marta if you stay more than 5 days here. I may hire a tour there.
Hope this helps,
Andres
If you go to Tayrona make sure you have your proof of Malaria innoculation
with you.
I was in CTG and BAQ end of June.
I traveled from CTG to BAQ and then to Santa Marta with a cyber amiga specifically to spend a day in Tayrona Park. I could not get in without the health card proof of innoculation, which of course was back at my apt. in CTG.
Goat
XXXGoat: it is a YELLOW FEVER certificate that is required to enter Tayrona Park, NOT "malaria" (there is no shot, nor immunization card, for malaria).
First time I went I had no idea (and they let me in anyway). Now they are MUCH stricter. Ditto entry tickets; used to be pay once and you could go back every day for three days, but no longer. Foreigners pay about $10 PER DAY (21,000 Pesos last time and I heard it went up again) PLUS you have to pay for the toll road unless you are going to Neguanje.
If they used that money to clean up trash or maintain the trails or better yet to provide security I wouldn't mind the steep tariff as much, but that $10 merely gets you entry.
From BAQ the drive is more than 2 hours each way so if you plan to hike into the beach (about 1 hour each way) you'd need to leave REALLY early. They close the gate at 6pm and you would NOT want to get stuck inside overnight.
The weather there is also an issue: BAQ & Santa Marta are almost always sunny yet once you cross the mountain it is OFTEN cloudy and surprisingly cold. If it looks overcast in SM, don't even bother let alone if it has been raining in nthe last couple days go elsewhere-( the trail can be 6 inches plus of quicksand like mud-you MUST use neoprene booties as the mud will suck the shoes right off your feet).
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Oh, the Old City... this is one of the most beautiful places I ever visited, and by far the best colonial Spaniard town I ever saw (much more than La Havana Vieja). Too touristy, perhaps, but romantic and enticing anyway.
I will continue with the non-pro action, but it wouldn't hurt to watch the SW scene to see what is available. Where do girls meet? I heard that in front of the Torre del Reloj there are many college girls, but now is that place is now under construction. [/QUOTE]
I thought that Old Havana was much more impressive than Old Cartagena. But that was the only category won by Cuba. Of course Old Havana is really crumbling.
You can find chicas in the area of Plaza Santo Domingo. There are many college-type bars in the area. Arepas Pues on the Laguito end of San Martin is a good place to hang. There is a huge mall on the other end of town, Centro Commercio Castellana. And there is another large mall near Castellana.
Thanks guys for the tips. They will save me time and money.
Anyone knows where to get inoculated against yellow fever here?
Thanks,
Andres
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Anyone knows where to get inoculated against yellow fever here?
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I would go over to Hospital Bocagrande. It's just across the mouth of the lagoon from the Hilton.
Andres: While they likely will let you in regardless, it takes 10 days after the injection for your body to develop sufficient level of yellow fever antibodies to provide prophalaxis. YF vaccine is VERY expensive (at least $100 for the injection in the wasteland). In Colombia, there are two types of vaccine, domestic and French, which are priced quite differently. Public hospitals, the cheap way, offer it only during limited hours on specified days of the week. IMHO private clinics with imported vaccinne are worth the extra dosh (though I got it done in the waste). Vaccinne valid for 10 years though.
Tom wrote: "I thought that Old Havana was much more impressive than Old Cartagena. But that was the only category won by Cuba."
Have not personally been to Cuba, for a variety of reasons primary being the legal prohibition that is justa small part of the unjust embargo, but I would think it would "win" many competitions with CTG:
The lack of hordes of American sex tourists, lack of STDs, ease of bb action, true love of sex for which the Cubana is World famous, cheaper food and lodging, and the lack of guns and violent crime seems like a HUGE plus. No drug trafficking or narco violence either. How about a culture that does not stigmatize casual sex? Beautiful beaches with azure Blue sea (instead of dirt beaches with brown water) also appear to make La Habana more attractive.
How about free health care and education? While there is poverty, largely due to the US embargo, I think there is less hunger in Cuba than Colombia. Granted guys who never venture beyond Laguito/BocaGrande/CiudadVieja never really see it, but in the REAL Cartagena, in barrios like El Bosque , Las Gaviotas etc etc, one can see how a large portion of Colombians like in abject poverty.
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How about free health care and education? While there is poverty, largely due to the US embargo, I think there is less hunger in Cuba than Colombia. Granted guys who never venture beyond Laguito/BocaGrande/CiudadVieja never really see it, but in the REAL Cartagena, in barrios like El Bosque , Las Gaviotas etc etc, one can see how a large portion of Colombians like in abject poverty.[/QUOTE]
Well surfer, gee I wonder why so many Cubans flee thier country in makeshift rafts, if they have free healthcare and plenty of food to eat. While there is poverty in Colombia, the poverty does not compare to Cuba's. The poverty is in countryside in Cuba, is much worse than in Habana.
Such a worker's paradise Cuba is....
[QUOTE=Surfer] the unjust embargo[/QUOTE] . . . uhhhh, the Cuban-Americans are the MOST in favor of this embargo.
[QUOTE=Surfer] How about free health care and education? [/QUOTE]Nothing is free...and their's suxorz
[QUOTE=Surfer] While there is poverty, largely due to the US embargo[/QUOTE]Every other country in the world trades with Cuba. Their government is the reason for their poverty and the rest of their problems for that matter.
If Cuba had a democracy and capitalism, they would be the pearl of the Carribean and maybe the Western Hemisphere.
Bevis,
Most of my time in CR was at Arenal and Manuel Antonio. I made it to the BM for one evening before my flight out. So keep flaming if you want, but my questions were sincere. Unlike your response. Also, if you reread your response, you said you didn't want to see "middle age gringos" in banana hammocks...which led to my question asking who you liked to see in such attire.
If we had an embargo on Colombia like we have on Cuba it would be just as poor. And they get on the rafts because the Keys are 90 miles away. Where would you go on a raft from Colombia, the other workers paradise (Venezuela?) LOL!
Communism sucks and is a failed system, agreed. But Cuba is a jewel of World Heritage unlike any other precisely because it has been protected from American cultural pollution.
AS proof there is poverty in Colombia, look at this poor Cali girls who was so malnourished her boobs never fully developed.
Well I have just returned from my visit to cartagena and I must say I had a wonderful time. My views from this report are as someone not very experienced in world travel. I am from the US and till this point I have only been around the US and different areas in mexico. So for the people that know cartagena or any other places in colombia I really have nothing more to add than what is written in this forum. But for the people that are considering travelling here I wanted to make a few points. I think most people are looking on this board and others and seeing photos and hearing stories of the beautiful women in colombia and that is sparking the interest of visiting, I know that was my case but I also wanted to see a place and travel somewhere that is unlike anywhere I have been. And I must admit I came here solo and in my first 24 hours I was a bit intimidated, but I eventually relaxed and did some exploring and talked up many people and had a great time, but this is definitely not cancun or cabo, so I think you need to have a little more in mind than mongering, if that is the case it would probably be easier to go to panama or cost rica.
Also LEARN YOUR SPANISH, I know this has been said before but I am just stressing it. I know I have read people questioning whether they could come here with no knowledge of spanish, and I'm sure you probably could. Now I don't speak fluent spanish, but I have taken spanish from junior high throught high school. But since I don't use it all the time I tend to get a little rusty, but it comes back after time. But just to give you an example of the things you may need spanish for. I did not meet anyone who spoke any english the whole time I was there, none of the girls I was with, none of the taxi drivers, in fact the only two people I spoke english to were the guy at the isreali place, and this guy peter who hung around laguito and every time he saw me tried to get me to buy women or drugs. So I think that spanish is very necessary, in fact many of the women I was with just like to hang out with me for a few hours after and that led to more sex
But as I said I had a great time there, beautiful women, great people. In fact on my last day there as I was leaving my apartment with my luggage I must have had 10 different people come and say goodbye to me, and they all knew my name, I have been living in my current house for about 9 months now and I don't even know my neighbors, just the sort of cool things that I noticed in my time there, so now I am home in chicago and I am drving around and thinking to myself as I look at everyone on the street, there really aren't that many hot girls here, funny thing was as I was taking my different flights from there to here I kept noticing in each airport there was less and less hot girls LOL. So I recommend colombia for myself but have to admit it probably won't suit everyone
Also unless you are going to bogota I would recommend not to go through the airport in bogota if you can. It is a very busy place, I got to the airport 3 hours before my flight and reached my gate as they were closing the doors to my plane Next on my list is cali as I was most impressed with girls I met from there and met a great girl from cali who gave me her phone number and e-mail,
Ciao
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I will be heading to down in just over two weeks but I don't know very much Spanish...would it be better for me to stick with a place like the Mansion because of this? I was going to book some nights in CTG because I like the indepedent style of mongering.
You really outdid yourself this time. Your idea of what Cuba might be like is dead wrong.
The food is cheaper? The food is extremely expensive like everything else in Cuba, and it is inedible. In two weeks I got horrible food poisoning twice, once from breakfast at the Havana Riviera(Cuban 5 star) on the malecon. Fidel tried to stimulate tourism to keep his island from sinking with the Soviet Union. Cubans have no money to buy anything. Thus anything that you can buy is priced for the tourist.
No stigma against casual sex? Ask Fidel's storm troopers about that. Fidel doesn't like prostitution. Therefore chicas are in dread fear of being seen with you. The police will jail them on suspicion.
By the way I was in Cuba legally with the permission of the US Treasury Dept.
I agree, food is cheaper in Cuba. In my last trips to Isla de la Juventud here's what my money bought:
$5 for lobster dinners. But you have to stay in a casa particular. The owners will buy anything you want and charge you $5.
My girlfriend had a Cuban ration card, she got FREE each month rice and beans. At the end of the month her card ran out, so she had to look for someone nice like me! LOL!
3 cents for an ice cream cone. One flavor available, chocolate gelatin.
40 cents in Havana for a personal pan cheese pizza.
In Cartagena, try eating at a hamburger place, like McDonalds, a chicken place, you will pay the same as in the US!!
BTW I went to Cuba legally too. THRU Nassau. No one stamps your passports in Havana, so I really never was there! LOL!
How cheap did you find things in Havana? Taxi rides that would cost US$1.50 in Colombia cost US$5.00. Inedible food at "good" restaurants cost about the same as in the US, and the service sucked. Fidel paid the restaurant workers whether or not you liked the food or died eating it. Prices paid in the grocery store were well above those in Colombia.
Lobster? In two days at a resort near Cienfuegos City, the only snack I could order at the pool was fried chicken wings. They had nothing else.
You want to bring a chica to your hotel room? The bribe to the guard was more than you'd pay the chica in CTG.
Try eating anywhere in Cuba and not vomiting.
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Final Comment on Cuba
I am on several private boards with MUCH more detail than this one on what goes down in Cuba. Granted it is nothing like 10 years ago (when it was among the elite of mongering venues), but Colombia is nothing like it was even 3 years ago (before the gringo invasion).
IMHO, Tom went to ALL the wrong places (the 5 stars are owned by Fidel and ARE overpriced clip joints as he noted). The savvy traveler stays in Casa Particulares in Miramar or Vedado, and eats at Palladares (not in government run joint ventures). Know BEFORE you go is my motto; you can NEVER research too much and it sounds like Tom failed to research properly before going.
Tom also confuses casual sex with prostitution (jiniterismo) as they are VERY different. The real beauty of Cuba was NOT the hookers, it was how easy it was to have flings with non hookers. Yes the government tries to crack down on p4p but Cuba (like Brasil) has one of the World's most progressive attiudes towards sex outside marriage (UNLIKE Catholic, Conservative, Colombia).
Also, I am guessing TOM went several years ago as the fascist regime running the US has DRASTICALLY curtailed the number of Treasury Department licenses issued and is now even banning "educational exchanges" (like MANY people used through agencies like Global Exchange).
What this really sounds like is POLITICALLY motivated bashing of Cuba (read: Fidel) as opposed to discussion of the legitimate drawbacks of visiting there (which are undeniable). In no way do I defend the police state run by Castro, but just as we as Americans expect people overseas to be able to distinguish between our [dictatorial and unpopular] government and ourselves as American travelers, the whole of Cuba and its people should not be disparaged because of their dictator IMHO. When Colombians are viewed as drug dealers or terrorists, as they invariably are by US media, it rankles those who love Colombia and its people.
Finally, regarding legality, it is technically legal to travel there; you just cannot spend any money. Transiting a third country (Nassau) does not make it any less illegal, it MAY reduce risk of apprehension). HOWEVER, even this is no longer the case as the Department of Homeland security has diverted a full 33% of their agents from combatting Al qaeda to spying on Americans defying the embargo, and Nasau is considered the #1 hotspot for getting apprehended resulting in a nasty letter from the Office of Foreign asset Controls demanding you pay a large fine etc. SEVERAL guys on priovate boards have received those letters after traveling through Nassau recently.
Goinmg through Canada is VERY risky as the Canuck's share departure manifests with Homeland Security.
A MUCH safer option is transiting a country that is not beholden to US like Venezuela or Nicaragua.
Sorry for my part of letting this discussion shift from Cartagena to Cuba but comparison to other destinations does seem at least tangentially on point.
To get back to discussion of CTG, I will post a couple more pics from there tonight.
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[QUOTE=Surfer]Last comment on Cuba:
Also, I am guessing you went several years ago as the fascist regime running the US has DRASTICALLY curtailed the number of Treasury Department licenses issued and is now even banning "educational exchanges" (like MANY people used through agencies like Global Exchange).
What this really sounds like is POLITICALLY motivated bashing of Cuba (read: Fidel) as opposed to the legitimate drawbacks of visiting there (which are undeniable).
Yes I bet you could voice your displeasure with the Cuban Government if you were a cuban, like you openly do here..
Does anyone know whether there is a flight from Merida in Venezuela to Merida? And if so how much will it cost?
Cheers
I was in Cuba in Jan. of 2004. Since I was there legally, I obviously had a primary purpose other than pussy. I travelled with a group and had little choice in lodging or food. At that time the paladares were few and far between in Havana. They are heavily taxed by Fidel. So you get no deals on price. I did eat at one.
Colombia is changing. Change is inevitable. Of course things will never be like the good old days. To me, the good old days are now.
I see you have sampled one of my favorites. Too bad she is a whack job.
In Cuba you do not need to find a casa particular or palador, they find you! Every Cuban wants to earn dollars. Just take a cab from airport to Haban Libre Hotel on avenida 23 and Calle L. Go across the street with a suitcase. There are many people who will greet you and ask if you need a casa particular.
Walk up avenida 23 one block to the hotel Colima. Kitty-corner across the street from the corner hotel Colima is a large apartment building, 3 stories. Go upstairs to 310 and ask for Daisy, a lady in her 60's, she will always have one of her bedrooms for rent, $25-30 even if she has to sleep on a mattress on her balcony!
Girls will follow you, 50 feet behind, up to your apartment. They all love money. And they are hot!
Having sex with a Cuban girl is like shaking hands. They all love to shake hands. Very friendly and wild!
I agree Tom33 ...
Colombia is definitely changing / has already changed.
I was at first saddened when the GRINGO invasion began ... mostly Cartagena and Medellin ... but like you say "change is inevitable".
I just changed my way also ... more into Non-pro chcias, I've actually had the same novia for about 6 months now (almost a record for me) ... and when seeking pros, doing it out of the Gringo areas.
I'm friends with the guys from the Mansion (Medellin) ... and have met many guys that come thru there ... of course some are dip-shits and there are some pretty cool guys too (who knows ... maybe I'm one of the dip-shits too).
Anyway ... bottom line is to accept the changes going on ... cause there's nothing you can do about it ... and just adapt to new and perhaps even better opportunities.
Suerte amigos!
Hi, guys.
On Monday, I had dinner at Arepas Pues and saw a couple of SWs who would eventually appear later around Casino La Perla.
Late that night, I wandered around Casino La Perla to see the "meat market". Only 3-4 girls total, one of them with a very nice body and rack who approached me. I was so tired that didn't try anything. These girls appeared to have a very low night.
Yesterday, I met a second non-pro for dinner and drinks. This girl was from a neighboring town (Sincelejo) and looked MUCH better than at her pictures from Cybercupido. She said that she came to Cartagena to meet me (who knows...) Unfortunately, she came across and a very unstable person, with lots of emotional baggage, so I ended the meeting soon in order to visit LDV.
By 11:30 PM I finally entered this mythical place. Compared to Buenos Aires boliches, LDV looks like a large Salomé, with most girls wearing sexy but not too provocative attires. I would say that of the 20-30 girls, most were in the 5-7 range, with a few 8s and even a 9, who was immediately taken after joining the place. When I arrived, there were barely 15 girls, but many more kept arriving afterwards. Not very noisy and some smoke, but not to the extreme you see at BA boliches.
For sure you can find doable material there, but in no case it is better than Madahos, as a fellow monger mentioned to me a long time ago.
No cover, and the soda costed COP 3K. I talked with 3 chicks, an aledged paisa called Sofía (nice face and rack but so-so body), another tall girl from Barranquilla and Karina, an aledged newbie from Barranquilla with a very nice body but so-so face.
I only tried negotiating with the last 2 girls. The first one kept firm on COP 150K, so no deal, The second one accepted to lower to COP 130K for ST, but BBBJ included.
We went to my apartment (easy check in with security). There, she performed very well (great BBBJ). She remained for a few minutes and wanted to make an arrangement for later that week. She told me that later gets better at LDV.
All in all, a good experience. However, not the best price/quality ratio, so I will try other venues.
Andres, IMHO La Dolce Vita is by far the best value... but feel free to try other venues.
I have managed to pay 100k several times in a row there, and it was only a few months ago. I wonder if you might have checked it out a bit too early... after 12.30 or 1am, pretty much all the girls that are going to show up will have arrived. Between 1.30 and 2.30am it starts winding down and then night owls go to Giro Matto in the old town.
I have done LDV on many occasions. My approach is to buy a media botella when I arrive. They will keep it behind the bar for you and serve you cuba libres or whatever from it, any time you ask. I will dance with the girls, pass around some drinks to them and have a bit of fun. I always take a girl out of there, but I have learned to be flexible and go for good vibes and a good attitude. I had a lot of nice experiences with the LDV girls.
Andres: NOWHERE could be as smoky as BA boliches (though Salome was my favorite).
Tom: Several years ago I took that "whackjob" (good description) to San Andres (see photo below). GORGEOUS on the outside, VERY messed up on the inside (but if you know her story I suppose it is understandable and certainly sad).
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Picture of the Whackjob in CTG (San Andres pics are SLIGHTLY too large for ISG parameters and no time to resize them).
pictured below is the tower of the university which is the landmark you need to find. The SECOND picture shows the entrance to Miami (just before the bright Blue building).
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hi, guys.
i would like your opinion on this matter, since i'm still a rookie in terms of semi-pros.
on wednesday morning, i contacted a 20 y/o girl from cybercupido. two hours later, my cell phone rings. she wants to meet me that afternoon. i let her know that i wanted to visit the castellana mall, so she agreed to the plan but asked me twice to pay for her cab to my apartment, which costed cop 9k. no problem.
she arrived by 4 pm, wearing a tiny top, a micro skirt and 6" stiletto heels. first warning sign: why is this girl dressing so provocatively on the first date? she looked much better in person than in her pictures, and definitely had a charming personality.
on the ride to castellana mall she lets me know that she lives in turbaco, a far away suburb 1 hour from cartagena and cop 25k ride on cab, as of her and the driver. second warning sign: should i deal with a girl who costs cop 25k to move around for almost every event?
on the mall, it seemed that we were aliens from the outer space. construction workers, security guards, etc, all were staring at her in a semi-hypnotic state.
we went for some drinks, and she starts to tell me that she has a lot of "friends" from abroad (an american who didn't meet her and wanted to marry her, lots of italians who wanted to hook up with her and just arriven in ctg, etc). third warning sign: this girl appears to be a money collector from gringos. as of her, she is a student and goes out very often to santo domingo square, so she partially fits the description of the semi-pro described previouly.
we continue chatting, and she perceives that i'm too calm for her. "you take things too easily. guys are usually uncomfortable around me". fourth warning sign: she looks for clues to control me.
while chatting, she asks me what would i do that night. i tell her that we may go to dinner out and then rumba, and if she behaves well we may go to rosario islands the next day. she suggests the famous club de pesca, a place that i wanted to visit and doesn't seem to be very affordable. ok.
then, she said that she wanted to look nice for tonight and asks me if i can bring her to a beauty lounge to pump up her hair. i ask her how much and she says a few thousands, cop 20k or less. first red flag: the girl starts to ask for things right from the bat. i make an exception and let he do so.
once in the lounge, i perceive the sneers fom the customers there, as the typical gringo spending money on a girl half his age. well... it's a price to pay for accepting such request. she starts to get bossy "sit there 20 minutes and wait for me". no way, i leave the lounge and wandered around the mall.
castellana mall has many beautiful girls walking around. not tons, and not all gorgeous, but i agree that it may be a good place to find non-pros. it is much smaller than chipichape or unicentro in cali, though.
30 minutes later, she leaves the store with a beautiful hair job. we take a cab back to laguito.
during the drive back, just for checking, i ask the driver "how much is a ride from bocagrande to turbaco?". before he gives a number, she jumps in and says "it's cop 40k, isn't it?". second and last red flag: this girl wants to get a commission from a cab ride! she wasn't clever enough to remember that she quoted me cop 25k before...
when we arrive to laguito, i take cop 18k, give it to the driver and say: "gentleman, this is the only money i have. is it much of a problem that you bring this girl to turbaco?" the driver looked at me as if i was robbing him at gun point, and the girl was speechless. the 10 second tension moment was broken by the her "no problem... i pay the rest". i kissed her and get off the cab.
that's the story.
my questions are:
- should guys expect to pay for all these perks from semi-pros?
- should you have zero tolerance to her requests on that matter?
- do you find this type of female species very often among semi-pros?
thanks.
hope this helps,
andres
Good to get rid of her right off the bat because she sounds like she would have been a much bigger problem in the near future. All your red flags were correct and well timed, thank-god your red flag BS detector is working and in place, which is non-existent to some dumb-ass gringos. I can honestly say you saved alot headache in the near future.. My diagnosis, not sure if she was a hard-core puta, but maybe a hard-core gold-digger who has alot of experience doing what shes doing. You are in control and you were right to have zero-tolerance! Good Move!
If I were you I would have shagged her and then sent her home. But that's just me. I'm one of the bestards, as Giotto in Bangkok says.
I agree with Miami HeatLuver: not entirely sure whether she was a puta at all, since there was no P4P offer forthcoming, but based on the warning signs/red flags, she very well could have been, and at the very least, she is a gold-digging non-pro who specializes in leading on foreigners while giving up nothing in return.
I mean, she claims to be a student living far from the old town, doesn't have money for cab fare, but is constantly hanging out in foreigner-frequented joints? And if she is such a poor student, why does she even suggest Club de Pesca... unless she has been taken there before by a rich foreigner? They are all indicative of a semi-pro.
Could she have been a "regular girl". I don´t know, possibly. The non-pro I met in Cartagena last November actually took me to Castellana mall to get her hair done (and like you, I also didn´t spend the 30 minutes waiting for her!), but she paid for it. She also suggested to go to Club de Pesca, but for drinks only (I paid), and whenever we moved around by cab, I paid for it, too, though never for her to meet me at my hotel or go back to her place. Excursions, we did together, and I paid. She had a very decent FT job, a nice house, she invited me there for dinner and to meet the entire family. And in the end, she even visited me in Barranquilla at her own expense to give me a farewell shag.
I think regardless of whether these girls have money or not, they are all looking for their "principe azul" or their "media naranja", and yes, they do expect the gentleman to pick up the tab on certain things, wine them and dine them, romance them, make them look good, show them a life style their limited resources may not permit them. But only to a certain extent. I am basing this assessment on my own experience with "regular" girls I have meet in Cartagena, Bogotá, and Barranquilla. But what your girl did is just so extreme that it is borderline using you like a "walking ATM".
Lesson to be learned: regardless of whether she is a semi-pro or not, it is the "non-pro" element of her that is expensive. Between cabs, the hair-do, drinks, you were out, what... COP 50 to 60K... and what did you get in return? Exactly nothing, other than an afternoon with a good-looking girl and a stroll at a mall.
Which goes to show again that sometimes, looking for "free sex" with alleged non-pros can be much more costly than straight-up P4P.
Good job to get rid of her in a hurry.
EA
Andres,
Pescaste un tiburon en vez de una sardina. You caught a shark instead of a sardine. Luckily for you, you had the self discipline to cut the line before she bit any deeper into your wallet.
You should not have to pay for these perks for a semi-pro that early in the game and certainly NOT up front before any action has transpired. Perks should be performance based rewards not free handouts. Zero tolerance is the right stance to take on such matters. Her requests, or demands rather, were quickly adding up to what some honest to goodness pro action would have cost you without all the nonsense.
Yes, you'll find that this particular species of female shark, a hardcore pro masquerading as a semi-pro, is quite commonly encountered. Remember a true semi-pro should be working to protect your money from the cab drivers and touts, not enticing them to fleece you and then give her a cut. A good semi-pro relies on the high quality of services provided to get payment with a bonus at the end.
The sad thing is that the average clueless gringo would have met all of her demands and she probably would not have put out any pussy in the end. I mean why would she when she's getting so much out of the guys without having to? That's what you call million peso pussy.
MASAJES ROCIO
Yesterday, I decided to visit Masajes Rocío by 6-7 PM. I took a cab, and the driver quoted me COP 8K for Bruselas neighborhood. Good.
It takes 30-45 minutes to arrive there, due to the rush hour. The place looks like a typical Cali house, with no signs from the outside. Address was perfectly detailed from the Cartagena List thread.
Once there, I found no girls available. I was told that they just arrived and were dressing for the night. The driver and I ordered a soda and a beer (COP 8K) and waited for 30 minutes, sitted at a backyard ressembling more of a restaurant than of a massage parlor.
Prices of rooms were posted in USD on the wall, a sign that the place caters to tourists. USD 25 for 1 hour and USD 40 to take out. Girls charge USD 50 for 30 minutes. In COPs, it was a total of 150K for 1 hour inside.
Meanwhile, 5 girls appeared, very young and some really attractive. One big boobed caleña called Erica got my attention and wanted to drag me towards her room. She really had a nice body and rack. I was told that later there would be 30 girls or so.
I used my criteria of visiting the place before 8 PM since it is the time when they close in Cali. Well... they start at that time in CTG!
I offered the driver COP 40K for a whole ride around places and back to Laguito. He accepted.
VENUS NIGHT CLUB
We left Rocio and headed towards Venus. The driver passed by Pleyclub (I guess the famous Pleyboy Club) at a corner in Bosque. It looks very nice from the outside, but we didn't enter because we find out that girls arrive around 10-11 PM (the driver mentioned that this club has by far the best girls in CTG, and that the owner has another club in downtown called Diva's). We headed to Venus, instead.
This small night club is located a few blocks from Playclub, On the inside, it looks like a small version of a BA club with a dancing pole, but only 1 girl around 8:30 PM (although she looked very good). We left immediately. Next stop?
CASA DEL MARINO
Located in Bosque a little further away and surounded by industrial facilities, it looks scary to get there. You pass a car fence and cross a concrete patio, the saloon being at the back.
It is a very big place, with a long catwalk, poles and the such, and no less than 30 tables. As the driver mentioned, girls there were weaing only underwear and shoes. Unfortunately, only 2 girls, one of them (called Valentina) had one of the biggests racks I ever saw (38DDD?).
Prices? COP 160 for 1 hour inside and COP 330 for outside (COP 130K for the house and COP 200K for the girl). Not many girls, so we left.
With these prices, qualities and distances, after all, LDV ain't such a bad price/quality ratio...
CHICA LINDA
This is the tip of the day.
The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. [url]www.chicalindabarshow.com[/url]
We get there by 9 PM. On the inside, it is very big and looks like Catto's in BA. I had been skeptic about the driver recommendation, since chaper places don't have good quality. However, of the the 15-20 girls on the saloon, at least 7 were doable. Let's say averaging 5-6, with eventual 7s.
Prices: COP 72K for 30 minutes (COP 60 the girl + COP 12K the house).
I chose a tall paisa girl called Estrella, who performed an excellent BBBJ. Rooms were very clean, much cleaner than at Flores Frescas. I paid COP 25K for a tip, although she wasn't asking for it.
Nice option. I also paid COP 14K for 4 beers and 1 soda.
DIVA'S
I went there by 11:45 PM. This place is located at a corner 1 block away from the Alcaldía building square / Old Customs building square.
On the inside, I was struck by the quality of the girls. It made me remember Black in BA, very fine chicks. On my scale, an average of 6-9 with an eventual 10 (a blonde just taken after my arrival).
I paid COP 5K for a soda (no cover) and watched the scene. A barman approached me explaining the prices: COP 150K for 1 hour and COP 300 for TLN, all inclusive. Not bad considering the quality and distance to Laguito, at least compared to Rocio and Casa del Marino.
I may return to take out that blonde.
TRIPLETERRA
Just passed by this place. It is a small bar lounge decorated as an eclectic BA's Palermo Hollywood bar. 3 small rooms where people drink and dance. Totally devoted to working girls, no non-pros there. Touts are allowed inside to sell flowers and the such.
Cover is COP 10K and a soda 8K (!). There's also a COP 10K fee for taking out the girl, but apparently no more fines. I saw 10 girls or so, averaging 5-7, one of which told me that they chare "COP 100K, or COP 150K", which means that they would eventually accept COP 100K or less for take out.
Making numbers, LDV has much better variety, quality and similar prices.
LDV
On my way back to the apartment, I spent an hour there (from 1:30 to 2:30 AM). Packed as hell, I saw no less than 40 girls and 30 guys, some of them really gorgeous (there was a big boobed girl wearing a light blue dress, sittted at the back, what's her name?). Some girls approached me, one of them called Alejandra, with dark eyes, nice face and a gorgeous body. Not may girls were going out with customers.
I'll be back to LDV, for sure.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
As highly volatile stocks, I guess that semi-pros provide a bigger return with a bigger risk. With such loose rules, it wouldn't be unusual to find this kind of barracudas, but also you may find a truly GFE from time to time.
I liked particularly the quote from EA: "regardless of whether she is a semi-pro or not, it is the 'non-pro' element of her that is expensive." Maybe that's why American women hate so much h**ckers, because the alternative of clear transactions (money for sex) doesn't leave much room for playing men like this.
Thanks,
Andres
Paid sex is always cheaper than free sex, and it's alot more honest. Want the GFE? Do the same pro more than once, and do her in the daytime. Sex performance goes up, while the price goes down. For non-pro in Cartagena, if your game is high, troll the university area in the Old City. Be aggressive in your approaches. Set up a beach date and include a Riquismo meal, then back to your place. Maybe 15 bucks including taxi. The only shopping for a girl should be booze, and the Viagra you swallow. Thanks for the report on the lesser known places. Too pricey for the inconvenience, except maybe Pleyboy, which has the hottest chicks in CTG by far.
Nice to see some savvy mongers giving sound advice. At least with a high priced hooker the ROI (return on investment) is assured (: You can find middle class and rich girls that will mostly pay their own way while you romance them (obviously you pay for dinner and drinks but not for THEIR taxis etc).
Andres: BEWARE "Alejandra" (her LDV name) if she is the hottie in the pictures posted this week by both Tom and myself. As Tom so aptly put it, "she is a total whackjob".
Andres, yes I have met that type of girl from time to time.
Quite often they were hanging out as part of a group of female friends. In this situation I used to just home in on the sweeter / less problematic ones in the group.
Sometimes I have done what you did, give it a little time to figure out the situation, then cut her loose. I will do this if I think she has a really toxic personality and I'm not enjoying her company.
A good alternative is to just make a play for her straight away. These girls are pretty shameless in how they ask for stuff, they will not be shocked by a proposition, especially if you make it tactfully. Usually this type is available to the right offer (cash regalo) and will have no hesitation about fucking on the first meeting.
If you wait for a second or third date to try and build chemistry, it's just extra hassle cause you have to deal with her not turning up if she happens to have a better offer / be doing something interesting / be all drugged up at the time.
That is only one type of semi-pro or prepago, there are plenty of other types too... Some have regular day jobs etc, and they are pretty much good girls who will go with you if they like you. With this type, you would get there eventually "for free", but a cash regalo just gets you from A to B in the fastest way possible.
With a little time in Colombia, you would be amazed about what is available to you for the right offer.
Thanks for the casas round up. Have not been to Chicas Lindas or Divas, I'll check them out next time. A few months back, I posted in this thread of another low-mid end casa where I was lucky to find a really hot girl. It's a small place so it's totally up to chance, but it might be worth visiting if you are feeling adventurous again in the early evening.
Hi, guys.
Thanks again for the comments.
PLEYCLUB
Yesterday, I decided to visit Pleyclub by 11:30 PM. I was impressed by the significant marketing setup (barmen's polos and chairs had embroided the logo of the club). The cab charged me COP 10K to get there, no cover fee and COP 5K the drink.
It is a medium size place, with 20 tables or so and a dancing pole in the middle of the room. I saw 20 or so girls, some of them very beautiful but in average not much better than LDV. Girls tend to be leaner (too thin for my taste, but to each its own). I was quoted COP 160K (COP 150K minimum) for 1 hour inside and COP 310K for take out. Music is loud and shows play often, as in Nuevo Estilo in BA.
I'm still surprised that places such as Rocio or Casa del Marino charge as much as Pleyclub. My hunch is that these establishments set a common minimum price of COP 150K.
I saw 1 or 2 blodes (8-9 on my scale) who merit a further visit.
VENUS
My next stop was Venus, a boliche near Pleyclub (1.5 km away or so). There were 8-10 girls, several notches below Pleyclub. However, prices are the same (COP 150K for 1 hour inside). I saw a girl called Sandra, a beautiful lady from Manizales with big natural boobs and a naive look that made her very attractive (8.5 on my scale). Unfortunately, she didn't BBBJ, so no deal.
I was charged COP 14K for her beer and my soda (!). Maybe they slipped a car driver's drink on the tab, but expensive compared to Pleyclub.
Left the place and returned to Bocagrande. COP 12K the cab fare, waiting time included.
LDV
The place was less crowded than on Thursday. By 1:30, let's say 25 man and 35 ladies. Being my third visit, I started to perceive a pattern: Some girls sit always on the same spot. There is a group of the same 4-5 girls sitted in front of the dancing space (Sofía being one of them) as an unseparable group of friends. I approached one of them called Paola (an aledged paisa, brunette with with nice body and big rack). She had a very bad mood, to the point that she wanted to charge me COP 200K. I declined and she left immediately.
Then, I met another girl, one called Natalia, with so-so face but very nice body. She quoted COP 160K but finally accepted my COP 130K with BBBJ. We went to my apartment and had a good session.
Hope this helps.
Andres
[QUOTE=Andres]The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. [url]www.chicalindabarshow.com[/url]
Andres[/QUOTE]Thanks for the casa updates Andres. Excellent info for my trip in 2 weeks.
Questions:
I see you went by the bull ring. Did you get any info on if they have any events in the next 4 weeks? Bull Fights or something else.
Are you going to Tayorana Park?? Sounds like a no because you don't have the fever card. Did you get any more info on how to get there etc???
Make sure to shell out just once for a 10. Why not.
[QUOTE=Steve 99]Thanks for the casa updates Andres. Excellent info for my trip in 2 weeks.
Questions:
I see you went by the bull ring. Did you get any info on if they have any events in the next 4 weeks? Bull Fights or something else.
Are you going to Tayorana Park?? Sounds like a no because you don't have the fever card. Did you get any more info on how to get there etc???
Make sure to shell out just once for a 10. Why not.[/QUOTE]
Steve:
I don't pay much attention to bull fights, so I cannot tell.
As of Tayrona, I went to 3 agencies to ask for prices. I was flabbergasted by the lack of professionalism these agencies were run with. Some of them didn't know the prices for lodging there despite advertising the trip, some forgot to tell me that I had to buy transportation to Santa Marta on my own. Scary. They seemed to not have an organized package to go there.
Prices are COP 130-250K for a night in a cabin (COP 15K for a hammock), plus COP 80K for a round trip van ticket to Santa Marta from Cartagena, plus COP 21K to be admitted to the park, plus several COP 20-30K fees for horse riding, guided walks, food, etc. The whole experience would have costed between COP 300-350K for 2 days. Private doctors in CTG apply the vaccine on the same day you purchase the stay there.
Since I hadn't brought sneakers nor any apparel for outdoors (just beach and night clothes), I felt that I may risk some money and be unable to visit the place properly.
English is my second language. What does "shell out just once for a 10" mean?
Hope this helps,
Andres
"shell out just once for a 10" means: pay a lot of money for a top-flight beautiful woman..
Not good advice- my experience tells me that the super hot LDV chicas are mercenaries that provide so-so or poor service.
Go to a casa, find a 7 or an 8, just oof the bus and you may have the best time of all of them.
just my opinion...
Andres wrote:
Private doctors in CTG apply the vaccine on the same day you purchase the stay there.
They will give you the card, but you are not ptotected until 10 days after the injection. Do not bring clothing you do not want to get muddy. The cabins are really called ecohabs, round shelters that are very spartan.
Yesterday, I visited several clubs by 11 PM.
CHICA LINDA: This time, there was a COP 10K admission fee. It seems that after a given hour they charge for admission. No wonder why, since inside the club was packed with guys eager to see the stage performances. Between performances, guys dance with their "dates" on a dancing area at the left of the saloon.
I saw most of the girls from the previous visit, but most of them taken. Left the place.
Just for your info, the cab wanted to charge me COP 20K from Bocagrande to Lamparo (very far away, indeed). I said no way, it should be COP 12K and we agreed finally on COP 15K.
VENUS and CASA DEL MARINO: Both places barely had girls, since groups of guys took most of the ladies for the night long. Too bad.
PLEYCLUB: Arrived by 1:15 AM. It was packed of guys, and less ladies than my previous visit. Most of the guys came there to drool with the stripteases, since I didn't saw much movement to and from the rooms area.
A girl from Pereira called Catalina approached me. She behaved very friendly, since there was some kind of chemistry between us. This girl is petite, with a well formed body and average of everything (boobs, butt, etc). As of her, she was working there for just a week and wanted to leave the city due to the unbearable humid heat. Back to business, she allowed for BBBJ, so I hinted that this may be a very good session. Paid the COP 150K and went to the room.
One of the best BBBJTC I ever had. The rooms were very clean, although no water on that particular room.
Hope this helps,
Andres
I come tomorrow back North. I spent a total of 8 days in Cali and 8 days in Cartagena.
My perception is that Cali is a much better place for staying long-term and meeting non-pros. Cartagena, on the contrary, provides more high-quality P4P options and similar number of non-pros but it is a less convenient place to live long-term.
Even though Cartagena has a very romantic and genuine Old Town, most of the "livable" city (that is, the neighborhoods such as Bocagrande, Laguito and Castillo Grande where foreign guys would rent a place) is too much oriented towards the tourist, and IMHO the atmosphere of "taking advantage of the tourist" and the shallow Summer vacation culture permeates everywhere. Cali, despite not having beaches and being very dirty, looks like a "real" city with industries and commerce, and many more options in terms of food, entertainment and such.
Touts, despite not being as annoying as I expected, are always there trying to sell stuff, and the really nice beaches are located far from the city (Islas del Rosario are more of a group of resort areas than long beaches with sand to walk, so after 2 visits it gets old). Also, Cartagena is more expensive than Cali.
To that you have to add the very hot and humid weather. At least on this season, I find really disturbing the Cartagena weather, forcing me to take 2-3 showers per day. This makes uncomfotable to walk around the city.
Maybe Tom and other people may elaborate on what kept them attracted to Cartagena in order to live there long-term.
Also, take into consideration that I stayed at an hotel in Cali and at an apartment in Cartagena. I found the building (Marina del Rey) a little bit run down (everything worked and the services were acceptable, but looked old and torn down a bit). My impression may have been different if I stayed at a similar place in Cali.
Unlike you expect to spend some time searching for non-pros or semi-pros or deal with SWs around Laguito, chances are you will end up paying COP 100-150K for a girl. With some exceptions, most of the places I visited charged that for short term.
As of non-pros, dating sites such as ussp.match.com and [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url] provided me with more alternatives than the ones I could handle in 2 weeks.
Hope this helps,
Andres
LJG Dogswrote:
"hell out just once for a 10" means: pay a lot of money for a top-flight beautiful woman..
Not good advice- my experience tells me that the super hot LDV chicas are mercenaries that provide so-so or poor service.
Go to a casa, find a 7 or an 8, just oof the bus and you may have the best time of all of them.
just my opinion..."
I disagree!
Depends on your play. LDV has semi pros, part timers. At rent time many come in(1st of month). If you're looking for quick take out, what he says is true. But there are many gems to be had for a date style experiance. There is group of vamps there, they usually congrigate at the part of the bar that extends closest to the dance floor. NOT best pickens there! But I have met many a good night in LDV, dined, gone to Giro Mato, Mr. Babilla, or Tu candela. Yes, paid for drinks and liquid refreashments(additional cost) BUT, the choise is GFE or takeout. You deciede what you want. Perhaps Beutifull take out sex, no friendship is better had at casas. But I've never been to one in CTG!!! And not tempted. Maybe I don't know the casas. But I know I'm paying less! And having a ball.
My advice: decide for yourself!
Belmont
That last report makes no sense at all.
I believe you're trying to dispute MJ Dogs advice of not paying top price for a 10 cause the service is usually poor and that a great GFE may be found from a 7 or 8.
Well he (MJ Dogs) makes sense to me ... his advice is good.
Of course ... everyone is always going to decide for themselves in the end.
[QUOTE=Andres]I come tomorrow back North. I spent a total of 8 days in Cali and 8 days in Cartagena.
Andres[/QUOTE]Andres,
Great reports again. I see you mention BA in your reports.
Care to do a compare in contrast between Cartagena and Buenos Aires??
What are the strengths of each as well as weaknesses?
Not looking to start any controversey with your comments just an honest take on the two places.
A very nice place for dinner with your chica in downtown Cartagena:
La Cocina de Carmela
Calle del Santísimo (starts from the upper corner of Parque Fernández de Madrid)
Opened about 10 days ago (actually while I was in Cartagena). Very good and creative Colombian food. Max. 15 € for a three-courses dinner, including 2 glasses of wine. Frienly (and good-looking) service. A very good bargain in expensive Cartagena.
Rather small: you should be there rather early.
I will be staying in Cartagena with my Girlfriend from Aug 30 - sept 4th.
Should I book Juan venturas place for $70 night or should I stay at the Decameron for $112 all inclusive?
How hard is it to eat/drink $42 for two daily?
Im looking for something resonably priced since I will be comming from cali for a couple of days.
[QUOTE=Luis The Great]I will be staying in Cartagena with my Girlfriend from Aug 30 - sept 4th.
Should I book Juan venturas place for $70 night or should I stay at the Decameron for $112 all inclusive?
How hard is it to eat/drink $42 for two daily?
Im looking for something resonably priced since I will be comming from cali for a couple of days.[/QUOTE]You can also consider Mery's apartments, some of the apartments are found on [url]http://www.colombiarental.com/[/url] The apartments are in Laguito and Boca Grande.
[QUOTE=Dogman2]You can also consider Mery's apartments, some of the apartments are found on [url]http://www.colombiarental.com/[/url] The apartments are in Laguito and Boca Grande.[/QUOTE]
What is the price rage of those apartments?
[QUOTE=Luis The Great]I will be staying in Cartagena with my Girlfriend from Aug 30 - sept 4th.
Should I book Juan venturas place for $70 night or should I stay at the Decameron for $112 all inclusive?
How hard is it to eat/drink $42 for two daily?
Im looking for something resonably priced since I will be comming from cali for a couple of days.[/QUOTE]
The food at the Decameron is very good. If you drink a lot and like higher-priced food, you can easily go through $42 per day. However, there are reasonably-priced good restaurants all over CTG.
I personally would not stay at the Decameron because there are so many good restaurants to sample. The eye candy while dining al fresco is a great part of the experience.
Both Mery and Juan charge about the same, $50 per night for one and $70 per night for two. Juan has some premium places that can cost more/accomodate more people. Mery might have some premiums as well.
Here is a report form a recent trip to Cartagena (back in March). I am actually heading back for a couple of weeks, which brought me back to the forum and hence the report. It’s been a while so I will try my best to note the details.
Rented the penthouse. Nice enough place and ok price. I would recommend.
Casas: I got a cab on a Saturday afternoon (around 5 pm) and asked him to take me to the Casa de marineros (I think that’s what it’s called)). The gate was closed. I asked the cabbie to head back and instead he got out and banged on the gate (which was chained shut by the way). After a while a not-so-friendly-looking man came and opened the gate. I asked if they were open. He said yes. Took me to the bar area. Looked dead. I was the only one there. Slowly girls started coming one by one. After about 10 minutes there were three of them (4 or 5s). I thanked the guy and told him I would be back later. He suggested I come back after 7:30. Once outside, I took one last look inside and saw a young stunner (not much older hat 18 and a 9). Before I could speak the gate was shut in my face. I thought about knocking at the gate and decided against it. I still regret that decision.
The waiting cab driver took me to a half dozen other casas without me even asking for it. They seemed the types that mainly catered to locals. Nothing beyond a mere 5 at best. I passed. Got back to the apartment. Either 12,000 or 23,000 COP for the RT ride; I don’t remember which.
LDV: Went there the first night. Still too early at 9 pm and it wasn’t open. Walked around a bit and came back around 10 pm. Still not open. Sat on a bench next to a couple of girls (a 5 and a 8). Started chatting until about midnight and we went inside. Bought a round and asked 23 year old Alejandra (the 8), who incidentally was either new to the game or playing the amateur part very well, to go to the apartment with me. Price was never discussed. I don’t look for GFE (really, I don’t) and don’t do TLN either. However, this one seemingly spontaneously turned into both. She stayed until around 8 am said that she had to go pick up her 2 year-old from her mother’s place. Good. Paid her 100,000, and she was very happy.
On my last night went back to LDV. Around midnight this time. Alejandra and her friend Maria were there. Sat with Alejandra who clung to me like a 2 year-old to her mother and wouldn’t let go. I told her I wouldn’t be taking her out that night. She didn’t seem to mind or care. The ratio was 5 to 1, so that’s probably why. I paid for her drink and headed out. Coming down the stairs, I ran into this gorgeous blond (I don’t remember her name), 8.5 and 25. We started chatting right there on the stairs and I asked her to go to my apartment with me, to which she obviously gladly agreed. I wanted to take a cab and she suggested we walk. While walking I asked how much did she want. She came back with how much you want to pay me. I said ‘cien dollares’. I know, I know, but I was thinking 100,000 pesos and it came out cien dollares. She smiled. It was only later when we were parting and after she reminded me what I had told her that I realized my mis-speak. In any event, we come to the apartment and let me tell you that unlike Alejandra, this one was a true professional (in a very good way). She put on a great show (part stage dance, part private dance, part modeling, etc.) and actually asked me to take pictures of her! I did not have a camera with me on this trip. A true PSE and excellent conversation. Around 3 am as she is leaving, I count my money and realize that I only have about 85,000 pesos ( I had American money but only $100 bills). When I told her that I was short by 15k, she reminded me what I had offered her. After a few seconds, I realized what had happened and explained that I had made a mistake and that I had really meant 100,000 pesos. She was obviously disappointed, but given the circumstances, she was extremely understanding and actually nice about it! She left happy and with a big smile. I had a big one too. In retrospect, she was probably worth even the $100 (no, no, not that I would have paid here that). I remember this one for some time.
Street: I walked a lot during this trip, and so I ran into and talked to a few street girls. Asking prices were generally a lot higher that what they should have been. So I passed.
Overall a great trip. I am now wondering how other Colombian cities like Bogota, Cali and Medellin compare to it.
Digits
Digits,
Sounds like a good trip. It's surprising that you told a working girl you would pay her 100 dollars, then after the deed you told her you only had 35 dollars(equivalent), and yet she was happy.
Shadow,
True, I was certainly surprised as well, pleasantly. Especially and more so when I thought about it the next day.
Digits
Digits: how were you received the NEXT time you went to LDV (because the girls ALL talk about what customers pay them). You may find you get the cold shoulder as they will call you tacano (cheapskate) behind your back.
You are VERY LUCKY she was so understanding as YOU were totally in the wrong and should have given her the US$100 because of your own stupidity. NEVER discuss dollars in Colombia, NUNCA! If you negotiate in dollars, you deserve to get robbed for being a clueless kook IMHO.
Until you learn to handle Cartagena, I would urge you NOT to go to BOG or Cali (Medellin has become almost as gringo friendly as CTG if you stay in Poblado).
If you go to MDE and make the same mistake with a street girl in Centro, just give her the US$15.
Lucky she did not get pissed and come back with the boyfriend etc.... have seen it happen in the DR...
Thanks for the advice everyone. As I have mentioned, that was my last night in CTG and hence LDV on that trip, so I wasn't there to gauge the girls' reaction the next time.
Also, I was actually watchful of the situation and had I felt uncomfortable about it, I would have paid the US$100 in which case I would have been lambasted by many on this forum (which would have been ok).
Digits
Fellow Monger,
I plan to visit Cartagena in September. I want meet a girl who I met online. She is from Barranquila. Can somebody recommend a good but not too expensive Hotel or Appartment-Agent? Or, is it better to go with such a girl to a beach outside the city? Is there a nice beach with good Hotels close to Cartagena or Barranquila? Nevertheless I would be interested to know about Hotel, Apartments and prices of them in Cartagena, in case that I can score by that girl.
Hi all,
Any of you Cartagena regulars have any info on a girl in Cartagena called Valentina? (I know there are a few by this name)
This girl is VERY thin and is about 23 years old. With a small tattoo above her right butt of a dolphin.
I met her back in June 06 at LDV but she would not permit any risque photos.
I would love to get in contact with her for a return visit.
Anyone with any info or PHOTOS?
SDG
[QUOTE=Jim Nelson]I met her back in June 06 at LDV but she would not permit any risque photos.
I would love to get in contact with her for a return visit.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you just go back to Cartagena, go back to LDV, and see if she is there? If she is, fine; if she isn't, fine, too, just pick one of the other ones available. If she is still in the game, she's likely to be hanging at LDV; can't see any reason why she should be working another joint. If she no longer is game, what are you gonna do about it. Phone numbers are pretty much useless with these girls, anyway: they change or lose cell phones like, well, foreign BFs.
EA
Hey guys:
In CTG now. I am impressed by this place. Awesome city and accomodations are great. In Mariarne Building with 180 degree water view.
LDV was bad Sunday my first night but since then pretty good with chicas outnumbering guys 3-1 or so. Hard to tell. Don´t see too much of an Itlalian invasion so maybe they headed back to the homeland.
Have not been doing the pre screen question with chicas. And naturally the drop dead gorgoues ones have there little rules. As they say never take out a 10 (so true)
Question¨
Running into CBJ a lot. I heard that is very prevelant in Medellion. Is this getting the case more in CTG as well?
I took a Medllion girl last night. 22 year old knockout. CBJ.
Took a 19 YO Barranquilla girl knockout Monday. CBJ.
Time to down scale and prescreen more for BBBJ.
Overall low key scence here. Not in your face like Sousa or San Jose. See why the guys don´t want Blue Marlin guy to set up shop.
Also the girls do not speak 1 word of English. Me knowing 20 words make a long term GFE here unlikely. Just have sample 10 of them I guess. I could have worse problems.
Astas Luego
[quote=steve 99]hey guys:
in ctg now. i am impressed by this place. awesome city and accomodations are great. in mariarne building with 180 degree water view.
ldv was bad sunday my first night but since then pretty good with chicas outnumbering guys 3-1 or so. hard to tell. don´t see too much of an itlalian invasion so maybe they headed back to the homeland.
have not been doing the pre screen question with chicas. and naturally the drop dead gorgoues ones have there little rules. as they say never take out a 10 (so true)
question¨
running into cbj a lot. i heard that is very prevelant in medellion. is this getting the case more in ctg as well?
i took a medllion girl last night. 22 year old knockout. cbj.
took a 19 yo barranquilla girl knockout monday. cbj.
time to down scale and prescreen more for bbbj.
overall low key scence here. not in your face like sousa or san jose. see why the guys don´t want blue marlin guy to set up shop.
also the girls do not speak 1 word of english. me knowing 20 words make a long term gfe here unlikely. just have sample 10 of them i guess. i could have worse problems.
astas luego[/quote]
i just got back from ctg today. every bj was bbbj. ldv girls gave me bbbj, casa rosies girls gave me bbbj, beach chicas gave bbbj, shikirita gave me bbbj. sounds like you just have had bad luck. some girls also rimmed me, and few of them offered bb fucking, i passed on the bareback fucking with one exception, it was one of those moments of passions.
marinare is one of the best buildings in laquito.
yes, i think most of the italians have gone home, not as many metrosexuals on beaches in speedos. god the first few days 17,18,19 aug, was one big sausage fest in ldv. italians running in packs, hugging each other.
in fact statistics of my trip.
13 days
11 chicas
5 excellent or superior fuck
5 good fuck
1 starfish
11 chicas
all 11 bbbj
3 of them swallowed load
2 facials
5 come on titties or chin
1 dodged my leche
11 chicas- looks/performance
1 (9.5)- fine as hell, good not great in sack- sweet girl- fun... will repeat....
1 (9.0)- 2nd best performer- took an anal pounding and facial
1 (8.5)- 3rd best performer- shakira look alike- will repeat...
3 (8.0) - one girl wanted me to stick 4 fingers in her , while eating her, gusher
3 (7.5)- one of the three- best performer- an absolute freak.... bbbj swallow
rim job, anal, rcg anal, facial.... a fucking freak, actually 32 yrs old
2 ( 7.0)- one of them a complete starfish- but got bbbj
1 ( 6.5)- not bad bothered me too much- hung out outside my apartment too
much
[QUOTE=El Austriaco] Phone numbers are pretty much useless with these girls, anyway: they change or lose cell phones like, well, foreign BFs.
EA[/QUOTE]
Still chuckling over this line, good one EA :-)
Any opinions on going to Cartagena over the Xmas period? Will LDV be open? Do the Chicas all go home for the xmas period? Is La Ley Seca (god forbid) active?
Desperate to avoid a time when dry law is active again. Any opinions much appreciated.
having mongered in many places for many years (Phillipines, Bali, Thailand, Rio, Dominican Republic and for last 9 years exclusively Cuba) decided before semi retirement to try Colombia for first time this coming January.
I live in spain but am english.
Splitting time between Medellin at mansion from 11th jan to 22nd jan (anybody else gonna be in medellin? ) then up to Cartagena from 22nd jan to 31st.
Still trying to decide who to book accomodation with in Cartagena? Seems to be a toss up between juans 1204 say or merys 704.
Anyone any suggestions/advice on that choice or indeed any improvements on that choice?
Finally, anyone also thinking of being there at that time? Or indded could anyone who lives there drop me a line, so I can possible connect up with them for a drink once there eg tom33 phone number, or address
Hope to hear from you guys and will also contribute to the board on my return.
I would stay in # 1204 with Juan ventura, although you caanot go wrong with Mery. She has an apartment # 703 in playa mar that I like also, along with # 404 in Edificio Marinare.
# 1204 has a huge balcony and a washer/dryer in the unit, which is a big plus...
Just my two cents
I would like a few ideas on where to stay in CTG. I will be there in October. I will be there up to 5 days then off to Medillin. Any suggestions? I have read the a number of the posts but I am not familiar with the recommended places. Apt vs hotel? Where?
Thanks,
Garotoz
Given my experience with Juan, I would only rent through somebody else if Juan is filled up. Class guy that speaks English. He has quality apartments at reasonable prices. Also an honest guy. That, in and of itself speaks alot.
[QUOTE=Visage]having mongered in many places for many years (Phillipines, Bali, Thailand, Rio, Dominican Republic and for last 9 years exclusively Cuba) decided before semi retirement to try Colombia for first time this coming January.
I live in spain but am english.
Splitting time between Medellin at mansion from 11th jan to 22nd jan (anybody else gonna be in medellin? ) then up to Cartagena from 22nd jan to 31st.
Still trying to decide who to book accomodation with in Cartagena? Seems to be a toss up between juans 1204 say or merys 704.
Anyone any suggestions/advice on that choice or indeed any improvements on that choice?
Finally, anyone also thinking of being there at that time? Or indded could anyone who lives there drop me a line, so I can possible connect up with them for a drink once there eg tom33 phone number, or address
Hope to hear from you guys and will also contribute to the board on my return.[/QUOTE]
I tried to send you a PM, but you are not accepting them.
This is a belated report on Cartagena. Colombia was my last stop on a recent 60 day, 10 country trip through South America on a OneWorld Visit South America Airpass. The trip lasted from July 3 through September 1. I was in Cartagena from August 24 through 27, after which I went to San Andres and Bogota, then back to the US. My trip wasn't strictly speaking a mongering trip, but my intent was to monger as much as possible. As it turns out I mongered in Ecuador, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Venezuela, and Colombia. I visited Peru and Bolivia but didn't monger there because I was ill in both places. By the time I reached Cartagena I was exhausted from my trip, but I resolved to monger there because of all the positive comments on this forum.
My first observation, which was almost immediate on arriving in Cartagena, was to marvel at how large breasted the women are. I saw this all over the place--on the street, in shops, reataurants, everywhere--and it applies to almost all women, whether young, old, married, single, beautiful, ugly. I ran this observation past a couple of guys who had been to Cartagena, and they all concurred with this observation. We agreed that there must be something evolutionary about it; maybe the large breasted women are more likely to find mates and thus pass on their genes. Who knows? Anyway, there is eye candy galore in this city.
Other than that, I was disappointed in Cartagena. The Bocagrande area is quite nice, chic and sophisticated, with many fine restaurants and shops. This is where most of the better hotels are. However, the rest of the city is a shithole. Centro is dirty, crowded, and dangerous and appears to definitely be a place where it isn't safe to walk around at night. Bosque, which is where I ended up mongering, wasn't a whole lot better. And there doesn't appear to be a lot to do in Cartagena. I find it hard to believe that some people have even compared Cartagena to Rio, although those who did make the comparison found Cartagena lacking. Moreover, the climate is miserable, hot and humid.
On to mongering. After reading the options on this board, I decided against LDV for several reasons. I don't like the club scene, and I'm not a late night person, and LDV appears not to get going until around midnight. I'm more of a brothel person, so I decided to go that route. The best option appeared to be Pleyclub (this is the correct name, not Pleyboy Club) in Bosque, which is a combination strip club and brothel. So I flagged down a taxi and had him take me there. It was a surprisingly long ride, but we finally made it. The taxi driver had assured me the place would be open. When I walked in, it was around 7:30 PM. The place was open but was not by any means ready to do business. All the lights were on and the chairs were turned upside down on the tables. Someone asked me what I wanted, and I replied, "donde estan las chicas?" He told me they weren't really open yet, but that he could find a girl for me. He went in the back and came back with a very attractive morena named Maria. She appeared to be the only one available at the time, but I thought she would be fine, provided there was some chemistry. We sat down and talked for a while, and she proved to be quite personable and intelligent, so I guessed, correctly, that this would turn out to be a GFE. I negotiated services before committing, as I always do, and she agreed to DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS. The cost for an hour would be 300,000 COP. I was well aware that this is a bit higher than most of what I have seen on this board, but I was unsuccessful in getting me to come down. So rather than start over and go somewhere else, I agreed. I later figured out that, at the exchange rate at the time, this was about US$115, which is high by Latin American standards but very reasonable by US and western European standards. So back we went to one of the private rooms.
There are 5 rooms at Pleyclub, and Maria told me that when they are crowded there is often a wait for a room. The room was clean and large, with a bathroom including a shower. It was simply furnished but with a large bed. Maria and I got naked and got down to business. Maria is a morena with the usual large breasts typical of Cartagena, although she told me she is from Medellin. I spent a lot of time fondling, licking, and sucking those beautiful melons, then moved down to DATY. She fulfilled all her promises--DFK, BBBJ, CFS, and it turned out to be a true GFE. She is a good conversationalist, so we had a pleasant conversation after we finished screwing. One good thing about Pleyclub is that a taxi is always available. Apparently they pay a taxi driver a small retainer to hang around. When the hour was up and we went back into the main area, the place was starting to pick up and there were several more girls available. They were all attractive, but Maria was the most attractive, so I was lucky they chose her for me.
I didn't monger any more in Cartagena, primarily because it is relatively expensive and after two months of traveling my money was running low. But in all honesty I can't say that I would recommend Cartagena. I'm a guy who has mongered in nearly every country in Latin America, so I'm not speaking from ignorance. If you want to monger in Latin America, go to Rio. It is the pussy capital of the world. If you can't afford Rio, or if you don't want to travel that far, go to El Salvador. At least that's my two cents worth.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]Other than that, I was disappointed in Cartagena. The Bocagrande area is quite nice, chic and sophisticated, with many fine restaurants and shops. This is where most of the better hotels are. However, the rest of the city is a shithole. Centro is dirty, crowded, and dangerous and appears to definitely be a place where it isn't safe to walk around at night.[/QUOTE]Chic? Sophisticated? I have never heard those words applied to Bocagrande!
The real good restaurants are all in Centro. Yes it is dirty but there is no way it is dangerous. You can walk anywhere in Central at night. The homeless will just ask you for money but they do not rob people.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]
We sat down and talked for a while, and she proved to be quite personable and intelligent, so I guessed, correctly, that this would turn out to be a GFE. I negotiated services before committing, as I always do, and she agreed to DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS. The cost for an hour would be 300,000 COP. I was well aware that this is a bit higher than most of what I have seen on this board, but I was unsuccessful in getting me to come down. Lorenzo[/QUOTE]
I have been all over Colombia but havent made it to CTG yet, but i just could not forgive myself if I had to pay 300000cop for one hour with a PUTA IN COLOMBIA. I mean is this standard practice now? Makes me not wanna go to CTG, maybe just to see the old country and bring my novia. I mean my Novia works in Exito which is like Walmart and she is a Bonified "9" and she makes 300,000 a MONTH lol. Dont forget the ole rule of thumb "A puta is only worth as much as somebody will pay" REALLY REALLY sounds like CTG has really gone down the way already of the likes of C.R. and MDE will be there by the end of 2007. Too Bad! Peace "Chino"
Nice Report Lorenzo ... gracias.
I do have to agree with Miami Heat though ... 300K pesos for an HOUR ... wow!
Obviously it's your money, but WOW!
The beauty I recently posted in the Colombia Photo gallery cost me a whopping 40K pesos for the hour, plus getting her cel nbr and she's now in the Ricker harem ... hahaha.
MHeat ... Cartagena can still be fun, with a chica at your side, though I'd rather take her to San Andreas ... or it can be fun solo ... definitely takes more searching and finess to find hot chicas and good prices like before.
You're right also ... Medellin is facing the same dilemna.
I treat these chicas like gold because that's the way I like it ... but over-paying is not me.
Honestly, paying the high price does not guarantee in any way, good service.
Bonding with a chica usually leads to the GFE. Just my simple, humble 2 pesitos.
Suerte amigos!
[QUOTE=Ricker]Nice Report Lorenzo ... gracias.
I do have to agree with Miami Heat though ... 300K pesos for an HOUR ... wow!
Obviously it's your money, but WOW!
The beauty I recently posted in the Colombia Photo gallery cost me a whopping 40K pesos for the hour, plus getting her cel nbr and she's now in the Ricker harem ... hahaha.
MHeat ... Cartagena can still be fun, with a chica at your side, though I'd rather take her to San Andreas ... or it can be fun solo ... definitely takes more searching and finess to find hot chicas and good prices like before.
You're right also ... Medellin is facing the same dilemna.
I treat these chicas like gold because that's the way I like it ... but over-paying is not me.
Honestly, paying the high price does not guarantee in any way, good service.
Bonding with a chica usually leads to the GFE. Just my simple, humble 2 pesitos.
Suerte amigos![/QUOTE]
Greetings my Amigo Ricker,
I think me and you could become good friends because we have very similar approaches to P4P, Novias, and Non Pro, I as well always do my very best to treat the girls well, ALL OF THEM, even the working ones, because, Over ALL, these girls are human and I really think that they have some kind of feelings, saying that, that doesn't mean you let your B.S. Detector slip or go down as well. And I really go by the old proverbs. #1 Treat girls how you would want to be treated and #2 You get more bees with honey than you do with Salt! Granted if you do get a Hard Core Puta who goes nuts for some reason you can always point the finger to her and be in peace with yourself knowing that you did nothing wrong! Saying all of that I like Ricker now have my bonified "HAREM OF HOTTIES" Who all are dying to spend any amount of time with me and will come to wherever in a matter of a simple phone call. "Why" you may ask? because i treat them well and we go out and RUMBA and in turn I get some nookie. Most of the time just pay for thier Taxi's home the next morning after breakfast. Last thing Look at Comcel Cell out of the 40 numbers 35 are Chicas. This is completely the opposite in South Beach, ha ha lol. SORRY for sounding conceeded or vain. But just the facts! peace "Chino" p.s. Gotta pack leaving Tuesday for Colombia my next "Adventure"
Hey MIAMI HEAT ... yep we have similar tactics amigo ... except to be honest, I'm not much into the RUMBA all hours of the night ... never have been really ... I'm a weak dick I suppose ... hahahaha.
I prefer the nice evenings with a hot chica ... bottle de vino and good music ... though I do dig going out and dancing Vallenatos (Colombian Country Music) ... good way to hold a chica close and bump and grind suavamente :)
Anyway ... treating a chica nicely is not really too difficult ... usually they're pretty nice ... just trying to survive ... usually single mothers.
The hard core, bitter ones ... I just avoid them, no matter how hot they might be ... there's always another hottie just around the corner.
Anyway ... taker easy amigo ... where ya heading Heat?
I'll be in Medellin in a few nights and then back to Cali.
Suerte!
What the Fcuk?? I feel like I'm reading excerpts from the Mutual Ingratiation Society. "My novia's so hot. I'm so damn charming." You both make me sick! Let's face it guys, you're both just a couple of old and fat (respectively) losers who couldn't get laid in FLA and so had to head south of the border to greener pastures. I on the other hand not only don't get laid in The States, but even have trouble getting laid in Colombia with 500,000 pesos in my hand and a dozen viagra genericos. I may lack your charm and charisma, but at least I can compensate for it with my ugliness. That being said, I wouldn't give a single hair off my head to trade places with either one of you!
P.S. I haven't read any controversial personal attacks on this board recently so I thought I'd stir the pot a little and start some of my own. I hope you're both duly offended. If so, I'd be happy to settle this in person in Colombia where I'll kick your collective asses!
.... and I was just about to email you that number of mi novias HOTTT amiga IN cALI ... guess I'll send it to SCOOBY from the Medellin thread instead.
Just kidding SCOOBSTERS.
Chao Calbo lindo :)
GL You rotten b@sturd! No more "Free" Chiva Rides for YOU!!! LOL
It's the guys who don't have the time to research, and then to spend in a place, that pay the higher fare. If you know where to look and how to shop, you can get a lot for a little.
I'm probably older and fatter than anyone here. But I can manage to find very nice stuff for 40 to 60K for short time(that's US$16 to 24) in Cartagena. I never do overnighters because there are enough non-pros to fill that bill. I like a mix of pros and non-pros. They each have their advantages.
I have paid as little as 15K in Medellin for short time.
Fellasm
Whats up. Im heading back down to ctg in early november for a vacation. Last year when I was there, friends and I got a really nice penthouse 3 bedrooms, jacuzzi, the works. It was a REALLY nice place, but the guy Juan who hooked us up last time says the place is not avail. Can anyone recommend a really nice apartment or Penthouse, preferrably with pool or jacuzzi. We are just looking for the best place we can find in Boca Grande. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
PM me with all your wisdom. I know you old dogs know all the spots.
Thanks.
LL7
Which are the best months to be in Cartagena during Jan-Mar 2007? Im looking to go the begining of the year 2007. I wanted to go to Colombia Sept. but I went to Brazil instead but I would still like to check out Colombia even though there is nothing in the world like Brazil.
[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Which are the best months to be in Cartagena during Jan-Mar 2007? Im looking to go the begining of the year 2007. I wanted to go to Colombia Sept. but I went to Brazil instead but I would still like to check out Colombia even though there is nothing in the world like Brazil.[/QUOTE]
Jan. 1 to 15 is high season - very crowded and high lodging costs. The crowds can drag on to the end of Jan. Feb. and Mar. are perfect. Easter week is high season as well.
[QUOTE=Latina Lover7]We are just looking for the best place we can find in Boca Grande. Any info would be greatly appreciated. [/QUOTE]I was thinking much the same, I'll be in town around then.
I had no luck finding anything similar to that penthouse, the closest I found was [url]http://www.laheroica.com[/url]
They seem to be renovated colonial type houses. Look very nice but outrageous prices (from 1 to 6 mil pesos/night! for the whole house)
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]The Bocagrande area is quite nice, chic and sophisticated, with many fine restaurants and shops. This is where most of the better hotels are. However, the rest of the city is a shithole. Centro is dirty, crowded, and dangerous and appears to definitely be a place where it isn't safe to walk around at night. Bosque, which is where I ended up mongering, wasn't a whole lot better. And there doesn't appear to be a lot to do in Cartagena. I find it hard to believe that some people have even compared Cartagena to Rio, although those who did make the comparison found Cartagena lacking. Moreover, the climate is miserable, hot and humid.[/QUOTE]
Earlier this year, I wrote a detailed comparison between Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and Cartagena and posted it in the Rio 2006 section. I still stand by that assessment:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=25[/url]
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]After reading the options on this board, I decided against LDV for several reasons. I don't like the club scene, and I'm not a late night person, and LDV appears not to get going until around midnight.[/QUOTE]
Going to Cartagena and skipping LDV is like going to Rio without going to Help, which has a similar setup, although it is much larger, of course. Considering that Cartagena is way more limited in terms of P4P, skipping LDV means missing a lot of what Cartagena is all about to, say, 95% to 99% of mongers who go there. Just like skipping Help would be to the vast majority of Rio mongers. Of course, Rio has so much more to offer, P4P-wise, that it doesn't really matter. In Cartagena, it does.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I'm more of a brothel person, so I decided to go that route. The best option appeared to be Pleyclub (this is the correct name, not Pleyboy Club) in Bosque, which is a combination strip club and brothel.[/QUOTE]
Going to Pleyboy in Cartagena is like going to Barbarella in Copacabana, Rio. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you would pay USD 115 to get laid there, just like it wouldn't surprise me in Barbarella.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I didn't monger any more in Cartagena, primarily because it is relatively expensive and after two months of traveling my money was running low. But in all honesty I can't say that I would recommend Cartagena. I'm a guy who has mongered in nearly every country in Latin America, so I'm not speaking from ignorance. If you want to monger in Latin America, go to Rio. It is the pussy capital of the world. If you can't afford Rio, or if you don't want to travel that far, go to El Salvador.[/QUOTE]
As others and myself have reported, there are other (more economical) P4P options available in Cartagena, though needless to say, they are nowhere as plentiful and convenient as in Rio de Janeiro. More specifically, there is no concept comparable to "termas" in Cartagena, and as far as I know, there is no early-afternoon/early-evening point-and-click action for freelancers in Cartagena such as Meia Pataca, Balcony, Mabs, or Veranda Help in Rio. IMHO, there is no place in the world (with the possible exception of Bangkok) that compares to Rio in terms of P4P, and Cartagena certainly is not in the same league, no doubt about it.
You recommend going to El Salvador instead of Cartagena for those who can't afford Rio? Having mongered a bit in ES and a lot in Rio, I disagree, however. Number one, Rio doesn't have to break the bank if you stay away from the most notorious tourist joints and hardcore Copa freelancers preying on bushy-tailed first-time tourists. Number two, as to El Salvador, IMHO, the women just don't compare to Colombianas, and similar rates (like USD 40 to 60) for one hour can be had just as easily in Cartagena as they can be had in El Salvador (though maybe not as conveniently). Good-looking women for the TLN experience (like Lips strippers in San Salvador) tend to ask for just as much (USD 100.00+) as smoking-hot freelancers out of LDV in Cartagena. Overall, I'd say that pricing in ES and Cartagena is pretty similar, though the experience is different: brothel-type places in ES vs. mostly freelancer-geared hangouts in Cartagena. Salvadoreñas aren't colombianas, though. It comes down to personal preferences, I guess.
Rio is Rio, however, with nothing in the Latin world even close. Personally, I think that no one should call himself a savvy monger who hasn't experienced Rio first hand at least once. If Cartagena and ES are minor league (well, maybe with a touch of major league), Rio is the World Series every day of the year.
EA
"Rio is the World Series everyday of the year" Damn, that was to the point, and factual. By the way, I have been to CTG on two different occassions and Rio many times, so I can relate and agree. Laters!
I have to agree with El Austriaco ... sounds like a smart dude.
Especially the part about Cartagena vs. San Salvador ... been to both cities quite a bit ... IMHO the Colombiana in general is much more attractive than the Salvadorania.
[QUOTE=El Austriaco]Going to Cartagena and skipping LDV is like going to Rio without going to Help
EA[/QUOTE]
I have been to Rio a total of 11 times, and I have never been to Help!, and for precisely the same reason that I didn't go to LDV: it doesn't get going until too late. Moreover, I don't think I've missed a thing. I have read myriad reports about Help! on the Rio thread, and it just doesn't offer anything that I want. I'm a termas guy, simple as that.
I read your comparison of Rio and Cartagena. Obviously a lot of effort and thought went into it. I don't disagree with anything you said except that Rio has a preponderance of mulatas. Maybe you meant morenas, in which case you are probably right. However, Rio has such a variety of physical types, from blonde haired blue eyed Scandinavian looking types to coal black women of undiluted African ancestry, and everything in between, including Asians, that someone could be found to satisfy everyone's tastes. I did not see any such variety in Cartagena. And I can't agree that Cartagena women are at all a match for cariocas in beauty. Cartagena women seem to have the edge in only one way: they have luscious breasts, which seem to abound throughout the city. Maybe it's a Darwinian thing. But your conclusion is the same as mine: Rio trumps Cartagena. So we are ultimately in agreement.
My original post on Cartagena was aimed at mongers who had never been to Cartagena before, not to old Cartagena hands. I am well aware that I have nothing to teach an old Cartagena hand. But I think that a monger who has never been to Cartagena before might benefit from my message, which is simply that there are better places to go.
I'll stick by my recommendation of San Salvador over Cartagena if you are mongering on a tight budget. Sure, Cartagena women are finer than Salvadorian on the whole, but that isn't the point. My point was that in San Salvador there are cheap and easily accessible places to get pussy, and you will always find some gems there among the skanks. There may be cheap places in Cartagena too, but they aren't easily accessible; you have to spend some time and look for them. For the traveler who is in a hurry and has a limited amount of time, San Salvador has the edge. Moreover, in San Salvador many of the brothels open at 9am, a marvelous advantage for early risers such as myself. I can get up, go for a swim, get to the brothel at 9am when it opens, bust a nut, then go have breakfast, lounge by the pool, have lunch, then go to the same or another brothel in the afternoon. You can't do this even in Rio.
What it all comes down to is, YMMV. Or, you monger your way and I'll monger mine, and we can still remain friends. But my original advice still stands: if you want to monger in Latin America and money is no object: Rio. If money and time are limited: San Salvador.
Lorenzo
I agree that Rio is the summit.For scores of beauties and awesome beaches it stands alone.Cartagena has more potential for the gfe and imo the chicas are as hot here as anywhere you will go.I really like ctg and will make my third trip there in November.The shorter flight and price plus only having a week off make it ideal....beats the hell out of the DR or San Jose......mule.
Which has the best looking on-pros?
CTG is balls to the wall over New Years, jam-packed and expensive. The holidays at the beach are big in Colombia. But lots of luck finding lodging. I leave town during this time because I don't like the crowds and because I get US$150 to $200 per night for renting my apartment. It is already booked by the way.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Jan. 1 to 15 is high season - very crowded and high lodging costs. The crowds can drag on to the end of Jan. Feb. and Mar. are perfect. Easter week is high season as well.[/QUOTE]
Im going to take your advice Tom I narrowed it down between Feb and Mar, but I will not find out till the end of this year till I get my vacation picks for 2007.
[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Im going to take your advice Tom I narrowed it down between Feb and Mar, but I will not find out till the end of this year till I get my vacation picks for 2007.[/QUOTE]Hey Pana,
Some of us are already booked for the first two weeks in Feb 07.
Phoenix
I would go in March. Feburary can be windy as hell..
[QUOTE=Play No Games]Out of curiousity sake where do you go for New Years holiday, and why have you selected Cartagena to be your spot of destination to lay your hat so to speak?[/QUOTE]
I go to Medellin from 12/15 to 1/15. In fact I'm even considering buying an apartment there as well. You can get a nice 2 bedroom, 2 bath for US$20,000 to 40,000 in a decent neighborhood.
I fell in love with CTG when I first came to Colombia about 4 years ago. I especially liked the beach/sea and the safety. I bought my apartment there less than a year after first setting eyes on the city.
And are the beaches nice there? I heard Santa Marta wss nicer but I don't t need the best. Any info will help, even where to stay. I literally have to make a decison in two days.THANKS
Not really, the chicas on the beach are nicer than the actual beaches, unless you take a boat out to Playa blanca or the other islands..
Hey guys,
CTG first-timer coming into town with a friend on Tuesday. I'm a Rio regular but have wanted to try out Colombia for some time. If anyone is around this week and want to grab a drink and checkout the chicas drop me a PM...
Have fun, be safe..
Hammer
PS Thanks in advance for all the great info post on the board !!
Arrived from PTY with no hassles. The President's Club at Tucomen is hidden quite well - it's near Gate 20.
Got to the apartment 30 minutes after touching down - 10 minutes for passport control, 10 minutes to get my luggage, have it X-Rated and have the guy open it up & do a cursory look-feel, then 10 minutes to town. Checked in with the front desk guy, again no issues.
But that's where things went downhill for awhile. Have the key, go to the elevator & push "8". Nothing happens. Then I push the open button. Nothing happens. Three or four minutes later - thinking one of my keys must be used to activate the elevator controls & I give up & pick up the phone. It's damned hot in there & I'd hate for them to find my corpse the next time somebody checks in. Gotta push "9". Makes sense, huh? Go to 9 & drag my luggage down to 8. There's two obvious locks on the door. It's still quite caliente. Neither key works. The landing isn't the best lit place in the world. I think I'm going to have to go back downstairs, then I see a third keyhole below the handle. Voila! I'm in.
Hotter inside than out. Find the two A/C units & get 'em cranked up. Check the fridge & it's warm. Find the switch (inside) & get it cranked up. Still hotter'n hell. No way to figure out the electronic safe. Get unpacked & head to a mercado to stock up on simple things. Three hours later the rooms are bearable but if you go outside it'll take you 30 minutes once you get into the apartment to quit sweating. No remote for the TV. Only two flat pillows, a sheet & two flatter towels. I'm beginning to doubt the wisdom of my decision of staying in an apartment.
7:30 or so & Juan shows up. Yes, he's a genuinely nice guy, quite fluent in english. Teaches me how to use the safe. Gets me two more towels & two more pillows, offers advice on dinner & the area & gives me his cell number & his home number. Calling his cell from the apartment is long distance; calling his home & leaving a message is not. Go figure. And he finds the remote that works in the living room (the bedroom remote is DOA).
Anyway....turns out LDV is a five minute walk from the apartment (Playa Mar #802).
Make a couple more trips outside to the shop & pharmacy (two doors down towards the Hilton). Obvious SWs outside. The "pssssts" start to sound like Tijuana's alley. A few touts offered chicas. And on an aggravating side, had two phone calls to the room offering the same.
'Bout 9:30 I head to the casino next door to LDV. The most uncomfortable chairs for playing blackjack I've ever seen in my entire life. Cute little gal sits next to me a few times & promtly loses her money.
10 & I go next door. It's relatively quiet but certainly adequate. 8 - 10 girls there with more arriving every minute. Who do I see but the gal that was playing BJ. She comes over and we grab-ass a little. Her english is much better than my spanish. We disagree on the value of her company but finally settle on a number that's higher than recommended on this board. Maybe it's the cost of doing business in a non-native tongue. Or maybe I'm just not hard-ass enough.
Head back to the apartment. She's 29. Far from being a stunner but I guess what attracted me most was her smile & laugh and the fact we could communciate in english a bit. I bought a brand-new bottle of Colombian aguardiente just in case. Nothing for her. Performance couldn't have been better. A little DATY and she comes rather quickly. The signs are obvious. A few minutes later and round two DATY end with the same results. My turn. She shows great attention with one of the best bbbjs in my feeble recollection. Then she moves where I can play with her ass, then finally to 69 with a wonderful CIM. Overall an excellent experience. Maria Claudia gives me her number but I'm torn with finding the elusive cheaper/better tonight or going back with a sure thing.
I'll post a few photos later.
/Dan D.
i heard about the dead 8 on the elevator through the grapevine. fortunately i live on 9. i'll be back home next week after a summer in the states. that elevator is going to be replaced. i had hoped it would have been done over the summer.
listen to some of the calls on the street. claudia(viviana), milena, alba, and sandra among others patrol the streets in laguito. they are all happy with 60k for an hour and provide good service. claudia is really outstanding in the oral department.
i also recommend a couple of morenas, rocio and yusleides.
After reviewing this Cartegena thread, I am rather disappointed that I cant find any reference to any relatively cheap casas/brothels that cost in the 30k COP range for a half hour FS session, similar to what I got in Medellin and Cali. Is CTG different from these places?
My problem is that I have been visiting casas in Ecuador and now Cali/Medellin and paying only about $10 to 13 USD a pop, for a quickie session. And almost all have been with little gems too.
If anyone can advise me on a suitable casa in Cartegena with the above (or near) prices I would be quite appreciative. Thanks, Franga
Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?
Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate
I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me)
Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Dan D Dick]But that's where things went downhill for awhile. Have the key, go to the elevator & push "8". Nothing happens. Then I push the open button. Nothing happens. Three or four minutes later - thinking one of my keys must be used to activate the elevator controls & I give up & pick up the phone.... There's two obvious locks on the door. It's still quite caliente. Neither key works. The landing isn't the best lit place in the world. I think I'm going to have to go back downstairs, then I see a third keyhole below the handle. Voila! I'm in.
Hotter inside than out. Find the two A/C units & get 'em cranked up. Check the fridge & it's warm. Find the switch (inside) & get it cranked up. Still hotter'n hell. No way to figure out the electronic safe. Get unpacked & head to a mercado to stock up on simple things. Three hours later the rooms are bearable but if you go outside it'll take you 30 minutes once you get into the apartment to quit sweating. No remote for the TV....I'm beginning to doubt the wisdom of my decision of staying in an apartment.[/QUOTE]DDD, I had almost the same exact problems that you had upon arrival. In said same elevator, when I was there, it had a '10' for the '1' button, and took me a day to figure that one out. Juan locks up the apartment and shuts everything down if it's not being rented, but he is quick to respond to your requests. I finally got everything going, including hot water for the shower (in the room behind the kitchen). Didn't realize that the AC only worked by remote control in the bedroom, duh. By this time, I expect that you have settled in and things are going well.
I really liked #802, stayed there for a couple of weeks, felt like home after a while, which one would never experience in a hotel. And a home to bring home chicas for your pleasure. I'd stay there again.
Take Tom 33's sage advice and make some donations to the street chicas. I was with 3 of those ladies, and had wonderful experiences with them.
Mr. Gonzo - thanks for the info....I'd probably still be walking down to the lobby every time from floor 2!
Spent most of the day on the computer doing my homework....
Head to the casino @ 9:30. Play the little red 5000COP chips and am up about $40 US by 11 PM.
Walk next door to LDV and am really overwhelmed at the girl:guy ratio. And more gals keep coming in. True, most are younger than my daughter - which proves quite problematic to my mental health. And 9 out of 10 are staring at me trying to solicit a smile - either because I'm ruggedly handsome or because there aren't many guppies in the bar yet. Still not quite sure which. [that's a joke!]
I finally settle on a trim gal with a huge rack. She's been dancing to her own beat since I got there and is genuinely enjoying herself while the others are moping when they don't see me looking. I resign myself to the fact that she's sure to have a rock-hard boob job but she seems genuinely happy so I invite her to my table (I had abandoned the bar because they were closing in on me from all sides).
Damned if she doesn't speak a bit of english - my lucky night. She chastizes me for not being more proficient with spanish. I like this gal already. I buy her a drink (gotta support LDV) and tip the waiter well. We negotiate a price less than the previous night. I may be a slow learner but at least I can still learn a little bit.
We walk the two blocks back to the apartment & we're both sweaty. Get into the apartment & find some music on MTV or the latin equivalent & she starts doing a strip tease for me. She's 29, one child and quite fit. More important is that smile. The bra's still on and those titties are a jigglin'. What a pleasant surprise. Finally she's nekkid & we head to the shower. She pulls out a well-used plastic shower cap & I open my suitcase & give her a half dozen from the PTY Marriott. You'd have thought I gave her a hundred dollars.
Couple of showers later & we're on the bed. I slide onto my knees at the side and reach to open her legs. She lit up like a Christmas Tree. You'd think they never get a little DATY. Within 2 - 3 minutes she's convulsing in a powerful orgasm & is sopping wet. Fast gal.....I wish I had that effect on all of 'em.
Nine times out of ten I prefer a good blowjob to the 'ol in & out. Maybe it's because I'm lazy, maybe it's because I like to watch so much. Whatever. MiLena was great! Combination CIM and finish on the tits. And she was having a really good time and never stopped smiling. Great gal!
Highly recommended. Unfortunately she wasn't keen on nude photos but I'll post the others in a day or so.
Lesson learned: The girls really appreciate small bottles of mouthwash. Two for two were rinsing their mouths with shampoo afterwards! Both were happy for the Marriott freebies.
So far I've been much happier here than Panama City. In all areas except the lack of a Marriott, but I'm starting to get into the swing of it with Juan's apartment. It does have benefits it's just that old habits are hard to break.
So little time, so many options. Will it be street girls tonight or LDV or something new? I suspect I'll have to go for a bit of chemical support & see if I'm up to more than one a day...
/Dan D.
Without commenting on your predicament I have two comments for what you want to do.
1) My opinion only, but if you borrow or otherwise try to use a passport not yours I suspect you'll have a very bad time.
2) Why don't you just change your name? A couple hundred dollars & you can get a legal name change that you can either let people know about or not.... Then send the documents to the passport center & you've got a passport in a different name. Maybe change your first name only. Who says you have to notify DMV and everybody else? Get tired of it & have it changed back to your original name. Nobody would be the wiser.
/Dan D.
[QUOTE=Npaul1]Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?
Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate
I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me)
Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice, a name change is a good idea, but then you need to forms of official photo IDs now to get a passport. I would need to change my DL as that is one they look for when you apply for a passport.
Once you change your DL everything else would have to change too.
Maybe I could change my name to something similar,
But what a big problem to get back into Colombia. Must be other countries to go to, but I did like Cartegena, Medellin, Cali, all of Colombia!
I don't think so. You already have a passport (right?). Get your name changed. Send a notarized official copy of that with a new passport application to get your new passport. Done. I spent 20 years in law enforcement & can't count the times I've stopped women that had disagreeing IDs. They do it all the time. Not saying it's legal, but I really don't know that it's illegal. Once you have your passport done just don't do anything else.
For example, assume your name is John Quincy Doe. Legally change it to J. Quincy Doe. [BTW - exactly what I did but for different reasons]. I suspect you little gal friend doesn't even know your middle name. Don't like that? Change your last name - I had a friend who did that because he felt his last name (Hernandez) caused or could cause him some disrimination problems. He changed it to a typical WASP name & was quite happy. Just pick a name that won't be confused with your original name. Maybe just Quincy Doe.
Want a back-up ID? Go get a duplicate DL 'cause you lost yours. Wait a month & go get the name changed on your DL too. You'll still have your original DL 'cause you didn't really lose it. [disclaimer: this may or may not be technically legal in your state]. When you DL expires decide if you want to keep your name or not.
Finally, if you want to change your name back, go ahead. Your passport's good for 10 years and will stay with your new name indefinitely unless you tell them otherwise.
/Dan D.
Get up & get my homework done. Head next door to the ATM & it's broken. This is Friday so I presume - if I'm going to continue to have fun - I'll need to get some cash somewhere. I take a cab to Plaza Santo Domingo in the old town, walk around for 45 minutes or so & see no sign of an ATM or a bank. Circle back to the square & have lunch which was both excellent and inexpensive even though the tourist bus was parked in the square.
Head back to the apartment after lunch & get some more work done. About 2 I get a taxi to take me to an ATM (Cajerera??).
I decide to head over to the Farmacia & see if they've got Cialis. Never needed it before but I gotta tell ya....my reserves are getting a little low. Nice lady behind the counter smiles & gives me a pack of four for 81,410 COP (about $37US).
Although skeptical I decided to take Mr. Tom 33's & Mr. Gonzo's advice & see what the street had to offer at 3PM. Haven't broken open the box of Cialis yet. I'd been psssted at by a couple of rather rough looking gals (4's or 5's on the dehumanizing scale everyone seems to like on this board) so I wasn't optimistic. Walked out the door and 20 ft to the right was a cluster of gals. One struck my eye right away because of the smile. One of the others had a pierced eyebrow which tends to knock the lead right outta my pencil unless I've got a horrible case of SRS (semen retention syndrome).
Her name was Alba, 24 with one child and a gorgeous little figure. Unfortunately her zero english skills did not support my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor spanish skills. But we made out just fine. Glad I had a couple of beers in the fridge 'cause that's her drink of choice. I guess I don't fully understand the pricing structure (or I'm an idiot). We agree on 60,000 COP. When she finally leaves I give her 80,000 COP but she wants 20,000 more. Of course she was here more than two hours. [Mr. Tom or Mr. Gonzo please clarify for me.]
For those more interested in the salient details, about a solid hour of DATY which she thoroughly enjoyed. A little more DATY with FUTB which she also seemed to love. On to BBBJCIM while fingering her. What more could an old man want? I do think I've developed a crick in my neck though.
She showered and noticed I had a bar of soap on the bathroom sink still in the Marriott box. She seemed enthralled with it so I gave her the rest of the toiletries I got in PTY. She seemed really happy with the present. BTW - not no but hell no to the idea of the pocket rocket. Can't get 'em all right.
Photos in appropriate section.
/Dan D.
How did you like Alba's long nipples? I have never kept her for more than about 45 minutes and always gave her 60K. The 20K tip should have sufficed. But you are fresh meat.
Ask her to set you up with Claudia(Viviana). Sandra and Milena are also friends of hers. Milena has the biggest tits. Claudia is the best overall performer. Do two at once.
Having seen your Nov '05 posting.....
"I bought two years ago at a price that Juan called not good but not bad. I paid less than US$40K for a 4 bedroom, 3 bath unit on the 9th floor of a good building with 2 ocean view balconies right on the beach with a pool and parking place on the second floor in Laguito. Anyone think I got screwed?"
......and having lived in your neighborhood for only a few days I feel certain you've been screwed. Many, many times...
Anyway, I've been to 60+ countries but have seldomed felt the need to return to most. I feel comfortable I'll find time to return to CTG, most likely within six months. I'd love to meet up with you & study your lifestyle a bit on my next trip; you have offered sage advice polished by years of wisdom.
BTW - those Alba nipples made my day!! I was like a little kid in a toy store playing with those things.
And you are certainly right - I am fresh meat & it doesn't offend me in the least. On the next trip I'll buy you a dinner for that two-fer hookup you're suggesting.
Dan D.
Glad you found my ramblings to be of some use.
I'm always up for food.
Don't forget the morenas. Yusleides has a pair of huge naturals on a petite body. And she's cute. Rocio is smoking, but she doesn't unwrap very well. However, she's a great performer and sweet.
Getting the swing of things here. About three there's a knock on the door; it's Sandra. I politely decline, concerned for my performance later in the evening. A mistake; I should have gone for it & broken open the Cialis if needed. Mucho regrets almost immediately, but I'm also up to my elbows in getting some work done.
Anyway, dinner in Centro which was very good, followed by blackjack at the casino. Up a little more than 50,000 COP again betting the minimum before I head next door at 11. MiLena sees me and wants to know if we can hook up again. She was certainly a good time but I'm still in that "I want quantity" phase. She seems to understand. Meet a couple of gals who know zero english so I politely decline. I really don't want to have to struggle my last night here.
See a young gal at the bar that strikes my eye - Paola, 29. She knows a bit of english. Buy her a drink then head to the apartment. Beautiful little gal with a good sense of humor. Have a few whiskeys and off to the bedroom. A little DATY and she takes over with self-stimulation gone wild. ***I mean wild!!!*** I'm just able to come in for a few licks here and there before she goes to strummin' again. Thirty minutes and maybe 15 -20 orgasms later she's a ball of sweat. Good thing from my perspective - I had the best seat in the house and had to do very little work. Only downside was she didn't want to do any oral on me - just slap the condom on and go at it. Overall a fun time but I would have preferred at least one bbbj on the road to the finish line....
Discovered after she left she lifted one of my condoms. Had two on the bedside, used one, none left. No biggie, but....
Finally get to bed around 2:30 or so, very late by old man standards. Get up, get a little work done & go strolling for lunch & a little Sandra or Claudia before heading to the airport. Both were difficult to find. Finally found lunch but nothing but families found in El Laguito this Sunday. No biggie....I'll be in San Jose, Costa Rica tonight.
Already planning a return visit. Simply not enough time this trip ( a good thing, I guess).
Thanks guys for the great tips & insight.
/Dan D.
Nice report DanD,,,What is the name of the casino in centro? I know the one next to LDV(La Perla). Thanks
Guys,
I'm trying to make plans to get to CTG next Jan or Feb, and as usual, the lack of flights to CTG makes the connections more difficult. Two things I'd like to avoid:
1. A red-eye.
2. If possible, not to enter the country via Bogota. I heard:
a) that is a pain through customs, and
b) an overnight stay will be required in BOG
I'm coming from CA, and am willing to fly through LAX, HOU, Atlanta or even MIA. I would prefer something like hitting SJO (San Jose, CR) or PTY (Panama City, Panama) flying directly into CTG.
But it doesn't seem like it's in the cards yet. I've been looking on sidestep, travelocity, expedia, COPA, Avianca & Continental so far with minimal luck.
I'd like to take a early monring flight and get to CTG in one day, and I'm willing to do the overnight thing in BOG if I have to, but if any of you have some ideas of gettng into CO directly to CTG or via some other CO city, please let me know how you did it...
Hey Gonzo,
A red-eye via Panama City is really not so bad. I've done that and it's not too bad. You may have a long connection, but you get in mid-afternoon, enough time to rest up before the evening fun. If you fly out in the morning, you are going to get in late evening, be tired and just crash out. If you can catch some z's on teh plane, even better with the red-eye.
Hey Dan,
I have to completely agree about those chairs at the casino. They are unbelievably uncomfortable! LOL!
I'm really missing CTG reading all the reports!
Guys,
I am an experienced monger and world traveller, but have only travelled in safe places on paths well trodden by other mongers. I have never travelled to hispanic countries and don't know spanish.
I am planning a mongering trip to Cartegena, but have two concerns: safety and entertainment value.
How safe is Cartegena? Is it safe to wander around on the streets without worrying for ones safety?
Second concern is entertainment / tourist value. What I mean is that I spend 3-4 hours / day mongering. So in order to have a good vacation, its important that either the place be a good tourist spot (such as Rio) or at least be westernized / english where one can visit restaurants, book stores, etc. and generally have a good time. How does Cartegena rate on this front?
I have been to Rio and love it, but am itching to try something new. Also, Rio is a bit too far to get to. The other alternative is Dominican Republic.
I have read the reports of distinction, but sometimes they get out of date, so would greatly appreciate getting fresh input. Promise to post any unique / useful experiences.
[QUOTE=jayf1970]Guys,How safe is Cartegena? Is it safe to wander around on the streets without worrying for ones safety?[/QUOTE]The Laguito and Bocagrande areas of CTG are generally safe day or night. The old city is for the most part safe day or night...I walked around a lot of empty streets with no problem, but of course I always try to keep an eye open. Some of the barrios near the old city can be dicey at night, such as Gethsemani, but very safe in the day (my spanish school was there).
Now, I haven't gone there but many of the the massage parlors are in poorer areas of town, but you can have drivers wait for you, or get a cab called for you. But I've not done this, I had plenty of chicas from the above 3 areas.
[QUOTE]Second concern is entertainment / tourist value. What I mean is that I spend 3-4 hours / day mongering. So in order to have a good vacation, its important that either the place be a good tourist spot (such as Rio) or at least be westernized / english where one can visit restaurants, book stores, etc. and generally have a good time. How does Cartegena rate on this front?[/QUOTE]As far as english is concerned, my experience is that Cartagena has very little spoken english, so Espanol is very much a help there. Cartagena has enough to do, with beaches, nearby islands, shops, good restaurants (in the old city), clubs of various kind, but it's small potatoes compared to Rio or Sau Paulo, from what I've heard. You can have a good time or a lousy time, IMO it will be more a function of you than of CTG itself.
[QUOTE=jayf1970]Guys,
I am an experienced monger and world traveller, but have only travelled in safe places on paths well trodden by other mongers. I have never travelled to hispanic countries and don't know spanish.
I am planning a mongering trip to Cartegena, but have two concerns: safety and entertainment value.
How safe is Cartegena? Is it safe to wander around on the streets without worrying for ones safety?
Second concern is entertainment / tourist value. What I mean is that I spend 3-4 hours / day mongering. So in order to have a good vacation, its important that either the place be a good tourist spot (such as Rio) or at least be westernized / english where one can visit restaurants, book stores, etc. and generally have a good time. How does Cartegena rate on this front?
I have been to Rio and love it, but am itching to try something new. Also, Rio is a bit too far to get to. The other alternative is Dominican Republic.
I have read the reports of distinction, but sometimes they get out of date, so would greatly appreciate getting fresh input. Promise to post any unique / useful experiences.[/QUOTE]I think the DR would be way better for you, plenty of English spoken there amd plenty of pendejo gringos for you to run with.
You'll be lost in Cartagena if you don't speak Spanish and you won't find very many Dominicanas that speak English. Try Canada.
Other than the numb scull bagage inspectors at the international gates of the airport, Cartegna is fun, it does have romantic charm. And going over to Isla Rosarios is only a hour or so boat ride, it's an impressive place to take a **** for a few nights. The diving is also way better in the aquatic preserves around Isla Rosarios then say . . . Cozumel since they had all those hurricanes the past few years Cozumel is going to take several years before it get's the color back it like diving in muted colors because so much sand was stirred up on the corral reefs.
I like Cartegena it's more manageable by foot then Medellin that's for sure.
How are the girls comparitively?
Cartagena (in particular).. and the entire realm against DOMINICANS.
Meaning: thinner/larger, darker/lighter, more interesting/less interesting, more educated/less educated, more african or more mix/less african or less mix, etc.
Is the Hilton a good place to stay for mongering?
I'm in the middle of a vacation in Cartagena and since I've been reading the board quite a bit, I wanted to offer the members my impressions.
Cartagena is a pleasant town, quiet, safe, but really nothing special. The city covers the bases, but doesn't excel at anything in particular. Rio de Janeiro, most Mexican tourist cities, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba have far, far more to offer as tourist spots.
The city of Cartagena has a vague construction zone feel. And this is not just because there is a lot of construction going on, but even finished structures are a bit on the shabby side. I was surprised to discover that the city turns into a ghost town very early in the evening and I'd say it's really too quiet for a tourist city. Most places I visited in Latin America are 24 hour towns, Cartagena definitely isn't.
The beaches here are mediocre. The water is a sort of green/brown and the sand at the beaches is far from the crystalline white sand you find elsewhere in the Caribbean.
There is a notable scarcity of ATM machines in the tourist areas and the ones that are here always seem to be out of service which makes getting cash super inconvenient. The food is so-so and fairly limited but they do have a really wide variety of interesting fruit juices. There isn't a huge selection of good restaurants compared to Mexico, but it's as good as Brazil and the DR and far better than Cuba on this measure.
Private apartments are plentiful. Unless you come at the peak of high season, I'd say rent a room at the Hilton and then spend the next day look for a place. You can find an elegant apartment for about $100 a night or less and an adequate place for about $50 per night. Getting an internet connection is a bit of a pain if you're a heavy user with a laptop, but internet cafes are plentiful for light users and there is a weak wireless network bouncing around the buildings of Laguito if you just need to read the news and send a few emails. Cartagena has many small groceries where you can buy all the necessities (though they close early). Taxis are fairly cheap and abundant.
On the plus side, the touts are not as bad as people say. A walk from the Hilton to the complex where the La Perla del Caribe Casino and the La Doce Vita are located at the opposite end of Laguito (I guess this stretch would be considered the gauntlet) I'd say, on average, four touts will accost you and not really in a heavy handed way. The beach is worse as you're a sitting duck and the street kids in the old town can be very persistent as I saw some that were obviously not kidding when they said they were starving, but all in all not too bad. I guess if you're new to this sort of thing, it might be irritating/intimidating but believe me there are "touts" in other places that walk with you, sticking to you like glue block after block, and will not go away short of violence or payment. Cartagena touts are really not too bad. Pretty low key.
Since this is a sex guide, I guess that's enough of the preamble. In my time here, I've gone to the famous LDV twice. I'd describe it as a smallish bar with tables and chairs strewn here and there and without a good selection of drinks. It's more of a booty store that serves some drinks than a real bar that also happens to be a booty market. I went on a weekday and then again on the weekend. During the week, there were about 25 girls and 10 guys. During the weekend I'd guess there were about 50 women and 30 men in the bar. The quality of the women ranged from 8 to 5 in quality, I didn't see any 10s (the type of women you just can't stop starring at and for whom you would be willing to empty your wallet on the spot), but all that is subjective anyway. There were all varieties from blond to black. Truth be told, I was expecting better and was a bit disappointed though people new to Latin America might think it's heaven on earth. Based on the non-pros (I. E. Normal women) one sees walking around town, in the airport, working in this office or that, and even at the casino next door, Colombian women are absolutely gorgeous and I fall in love every other minute. (That is if you like the Colombian type which is long dark hair, wide hips, small waists, full breasts or the black/mulata women with the smooth dark skin and gorgeous asses-which I do).
The girls in the LDV don't seem to rise to the general quality of the Colombian women in general. The girls are rough around the edges, dumb, but generally agreeable. Don't get me wrong, there are some very beautiful girls there with some smokin' hot bodies, but I'd say that it's just not worth coming to Cartagena for the LDV because there are far better destinations with so much more to offer on all fronts. As a mongering spot, both Help in Rio and Adelitas in Tijana are so much better than the LDV for quality and selection. I'd say it was about comparable to what you would find in the Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic and I think Boca Chica is more fun because it's a whole street full of bars and much livelier all week.
Street action is hit and miss. It seems to be concentrated in the Laguito area, but there is no one locale where girls stand around and wait per se. It basically depends if a pro is walking down the street or eating in a restaurant at the same moment as you. Many of the girls you'll meet later in the LDV or elsewhere hang around the beaches or restaurants in the area during the day looking generally bored and are surely up for a quick tryst. I've been propositioned while sitting in restaurants along the stretch pretty regularly.
I was expecting to do some major hooking up, but truth be told I got bored with the pro-scene in short order. The scene is too small and the girl you did last night will be there giving you dirty looks the next time you go as you leave with someone else. Also, since they all hang around a relatively small area, I think the probability is good that one would come up and say Hello,, while I was trying to put my best face forward with a potential novia. As for prices, the LDV girls try on 300, 000 COP for a short time, but will accept 200, 000 for all night based on my small sample. (I'm sure you could do better with some hard bargaining, but I don't like to bargain too hard as it creates a bad vibe that premises the rest of the night IMO, if not for her then for me. The more the whole thing takes on the characteristics of business transaction, the less sexy the experience is for me. Also, I like to get the exact girl I want, who is usually the hottest one in the bar, and don't mind giving extra). Anyway, that's about $80 to $120 USD, roughly.compared to the DR, where you can get a similar girl for $20 USD or Rio, $60, Cartagena is not a bargain. Mexico is completely different, has no true real freelance scene, and is much more expensive so no sense comparing apples to oranges. Cuba is so heavy handed that you can never really be comfortable there though the girls are pretty much free.
In sum, I don't think Cartagena is a good place to visit as a tourist or as a monger given the nearby competition.
That said, Cartegena seems like a great place if you're interested in meeting a girlfriend/wife. I could easily see myself marry a Colombian girl; they are both sweet and sexy. But you'd definitely need to be fluent in Spanish. If you're not, it would just be frustrating. Fortunately, I'm fluent in Spanish and have a very good income and lots of freedom so I can afford to take my time. At the moment I have a couple very sweet girls that I'm dating that I met the old fashioned way-online. For these "real" Colombianas, there is some selection at:
[url]www.latineuro.com[/url] (about 25% of the girls seem to be from Cart). [url]www.sotb.com[/url] - some Cart girls [url]www.cafetropic.com[/url] - free site, good selection of Colombians and a few from Cart. Many others with recycled a foreign affair girls, but for Cart girls, stay away from TLC as they all seem to be from Cali or other cities.
It's easy to pickup up the poorer, less educated girls for a quick shag, but the educated, professional girls (which are what I find attractive) are a bit more circumspect about some young gringo such as yours truly. I'm considered guilty of being a sex-tourist or simply here today gone tomorrow until proven innocent, but once the girls get to know that you have some connection to the area, they open up-sometimes quite literally. The women are friendly and flirty and luscious. I have about 7 girls in the queue that are waiting for a call so I've got my hands full at the moment.
I've gone out with several very nice girls. Real girls. I can tell the difference between a nice girl and a dirty girl instantly because the dirty girl will come to your apartment and trash it while the nice girl will come and start cleaning it up. I find that sexy. These girls won't go to bed with you unless they think you're their boyfriend (or sleeping with you will make you their boyfriend) or unless they think that they'll lose you if they don't. The dirty girls will do it just for a bit of excitement. There are also a segment of women that think they are too important for words-they have a few dollars so act exaggeratedly snobby. Some are good looking but the attitude is a big turnoff. Anyhow, I'll have to decide on just one girl very soon or run the risk of ending my stay with a meltdown as they are starting to pop over unannounced and it's getting stressful.
It's no wonder Colombian men have such a bad reputation with the local women for their infidelity. I really have no idea how I'm going to control myself for any length of time with all the gorgeous, friendly girls walking around either.
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I have to disagree on a couple of points:
The Bocagrande penninsula is teeming with ATMs. There are only two in Laguito. About three blocks into Bocagrande from Laguito is an Olimpica(currently under construction). Within a three-block radius of the Olimpica, there are at least 15 ATMs that I know of. Go another three blocks toward Centro and you easily double that number in a three-block radius.
After living here for 4 years, I am still finding great restaurants that I had never before tried. I'll give you a couple of names: Club de Pesca, La Olla Cartagena, Chef Julian, Crepes and Waffles, La Dulceria, and Julias. None of those mentioned are in Centro. Centro has a ton of very good restaurants.
Hello everyone, long time monger here. I sometimes hate these kinds of questions, but here it goes.
Well, I am moving to Columbia and am having the hardest time deciding between Medalliln and Cartegana (never been to either). I live on the beach now, and dont really know how I am going to live without it if I chose Medallin. On the other hand, Cartegana has a much smaller population and not as many universities (i.e. young women?).
Also, I was reading that the caretegana girls aren't as 'pretty' (i know it's very subjective) as medallin girls. I am basically attracted to your typical columbian (black hair, dark skin, very latin looking). I have read that cartegana girls are more similar to dominicans or girls of african descent (which I am not very attracted to).
Lastly, the 'beach community' I live in now is very relaxed and laid back. Houses on the beach (as opposed to apt. bldgs), and I know all my neighbors. I can walk out on the beach any day, any time as long as it's sunny and see girls in g-strings. Is there a similar "vibe" in cartegana, and do many girls hang out on the beach?
Apologies to anyone who is going to write rtff. But I have and am just having a hard time deciding where to move.
First of all, is Sweetlemon and NPaul1 one in the same, or did someone copy someone else's post? In any case, if your posts ends up discouraging a guy from going to CTG, well good!
[QUOTE=Jon32]Also, I was reading that the caretegana girls aren't as 'pretty' (i know it's very subjective) as medallin girls. I am basically attracted to your typical columbian (black hair, dark skin, very latin looking). I have read that cartegana girls are more similar to dominicans or girls of african descent (which I am not very attracted to).
Lastly, the 'beach community' I live in now is very relaxed and laid back. Houses on the beach (as opposed to apt. bldgs), and I know all my neighbors. I can walk out on the beach any day, any time as long as it's sunny and see girls in g-strings. Is there a similar "vibe" in cartegana, and do many girls hang out on the beach?[/QUOTE] Jon32, a few points based on my limited experience of 2 weeks in both places.
1. It's gonna be real hard to find a beach near MED, it's a ways from the ocean. So if you're a "water" person, you may feel landlocked in MED. If you're more of a "mountain " person, MED is for you. (maybe there's river beaches near MED, but that countryside still seems dangerous to me).
2. I was pleasantly surprised by the attraciveness of the Cartagenaras. They have smoking bodies (in general) - perhaps the better economy of MED has led to one too many runs to McDonalds, and it shows on some women). But overall, MED women are gorgeous. Small advantage to MED women, but if you're into morenas CTG is the advantage. Guys say that MED women are a bit colder, but that hasn't been my experience.
I have burns of my chin that will never heal from my jaw hitting the ground looking at MED women, and plenty in CTG also. And I also love the variety of chica skin color found in CTG (negro, morena, triguena/canela, blanca). MED is dominated by blanca skin. Don't worry about the lack of young women in CTG, no problem there, IMO!
3. CTG proper, the places where you would want to stay, Bocagrande or Laguito, is more of a Collins Ave, Miami Beach than a Malibu beach house scene. Much more urban and intense with all the AC machines blazing.
4. Chicas do hang out on the beach. Very sexy chicas in teeny-weeny suits. And there's plenty of chicas to order on the beach. If you got some game, non-pro possibilities look good.
5. What's your tolerance to heat and humidity? If it's low, stick to the "eternal spring" like weather of MED.
6. Do you like large urban areas or smaller cities? MED is growing like hotcakes, whereas CTG feels like a smaller place.
My suggestion: take a month or two or 3 off, and spend time in both places, girl watching and real-estate investigating, and getting the general feel of the place.
I really have no idea why NPaul1 copied and reposted my entire post, it's either an error ot he's an insane person.
Anyhow, I'm not trying to encourgage or discourage anyone. Just giving my most objective opinion for people who don't have the time and money to explore Latin America as I have and are deciding where they might like to go.
Sweetlemon,
Good writeup, and I agree with most of your thoughts.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]I'd say it was about comparable to what you would find in the Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic and I think Boca Chica is more fun because it's a whole street full of bars and much livelier all week.
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True. LDV is great, but once you put that aside, Cartagena does not really have the depth and liveliness of other places.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]As for prices, the LDV girls try on 300, 000 COP for a short time, but will accept 200, 000 for all night based on my small sample. (I'm sure you could do better with some hard bargaining, but I don't like to bargain too hard as it creates a bad vibe that premises the rest of the night IMO, if not for her then for me. The more the whole thing takes on the characteristics of business transaction, the less sexy the experience is for me. Also, I like to get the exact girl I want, who is usually the hottest one in the bar, and don't mind giving extra). Anyway, that's about $80 to $120 USD, roughly.compared to the DR, where you can get a similar girl for $20 USD or Rio, $60, Cartagena is not a bargain.[/QUOTE]
I think your Cartagena prices are too high here, and your Rio prices are too optimistic. You call Rio at $60... but if you ask the hottest girl in Help to quote a price and don't bargain, guys are paying 400R for a couple of hours. That's $180.
To give you a better idea, I hit both places earlier this year. In Help I settled at about 200R ($80), in LDV I settled at 100k to 130k ($50).
You probably just need to discover the real prices for Colombia, because the prices you are reporting on apartments, LDV ass etc are all a bit on the high side.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]It's easy to pickup up the poorer, less educated girls for a quick shag, but the educated, professional girls (which are what I find attractive) are a bit more circumspect about some young gringo such as yours truly. I'm considered guilty of being a sex-tourist or simply here today gone tomorrow until proven innocent, but once the girls get to know that you have some connection to the area, they open up-sometimes quite literally. The women are friendly and flirty and luscious. I have about 7 girls in the queue that are waiting for a call so I've got my hands full at the moment.
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I think talking about good girls vs bad girls is a bit too simplistic. It's a continuum or sliding scale. You would be surprised how many of those educated, professional girls have given it up for money at one time or other. Even if it was just one time to buy that expensive pair of sunglasses they were lusting after.
A good middle ground is the prepagos. Less hardcore than pros, but none of the drama of a novia (especially if you are planning on changing novias regularly).
Hello all,
It´s my first trip to Cartagena and it has been interesting to say the least. I want to share my experience so far, and ask a few questions.
I will cut through all the fluffy information and get to the meat! My first night I went to LDV and found a nice chica. I negotiated 200 COP for TLN and bought her and me a drink. 14K COP it came to be I think. This was at about 12:30. We then went to a nightclub in el centro for about an hour. It was fun, but an overwhelming experience. I paid her entrance fee and two drinks for me and her. (I can hear the groans now). At about 2 I wanted to go back to my apartment so we went. She was good in the sack, but after one "termina" she wanted to leave! Even though being with her was a pleasant experience, I paid for TLN and wanted it. My Viagra pill needed to be used! In any case, I only paid her 100K COP. Obviously she was mad, but I stood my ground and she left. My question is, did I do the right thing? What is the definition of Toda La Noche? Worst case I figured multiple pops uptil 5am.
My apartment is close to LDV so I ended up going there after the incident. It was about 3:30. I found another nice blondie from medellin (The first girl was from cali). We negotiated 150K cop for short term. She was ok, and I had a good time. She wanted money for the cab ride home for I paid her 10K. Later I found another american here and he said its pretty much standard for cap ride far. What does everyone here think?
I did the usual tourista activities the next day, then I wanted to see the casas! Hands down, the casas are where the good action is. I went to two of them in the Bosque area. Venus and another one, I can´t remember the name, maybe modilla house? The first one, modilla I think or similiar (Ill post a correction next time) had about 6 or 7 women. All thin girls! I could not believe it! I ended up talking to one for 20 minutes and paid her 80K to the house, and 80K to her. I think my cabbie got a commission, but I am not sure. She was very good! Great attitude. I tipped her another 20. I want to go to the Rosario Islands with a chica and she is on my list.
The taxi driver and I then went to Venus. I walk in and its amazing. It is probably about 10:30, with 25 girls and no men. All the girls are thin. I am used to Juarez, Mexico where most of the girls are fatties with a few thin ones. What does a guy do in this situation? Its like going to the grocery story and shopping for fruit. Over the years I have finally learned not to pick the prettiest because their attitudes are in the toilet. This one chica caught my eye and the look are her face was priceless. It was the look of, "Oh my God, he chose me!". She was from Medellin and had a great attitude. BTW, she was the first chica out of 4 to give me a BBBJ. What gives?! Must be because I am gringo and a little shy. Not sure. We negotiated 60K for the house, and 100K her (I knew I could probably get less for her, but I really liked her attitude and wanted to reward her for it). She even spoke some English which was impressive. I BTW am about a 4 on a 1 to 10 scale for Spanish. All else being equal, I´ll take her to the islands. All these girls have cell phones.
After that I went back to LDV. I found the blondie from the night before and I got her again for 150. I also saw the one I only gave 100 to. I ignored her and she was not a problem. We went to my apartment close by, and after this much sex I couldnt finish. She ended up being a clock watcher. I pleasently let her leave, but no way am I getting her again. It was only 15 minutes worth. Next time I go to LDV I´ll have to gracefully say no gracias. Looks go a long way, but I want a good attitude to go along with her.
So today I wanted to get a real massage. So sex, just a massage. So I saw there was a place called Masajes Rocio, and I went there. Ugh, they offer only sex and mediocre massages. I was not in the mood so I declined. However, this place looks to be one of the only places to get sex during the day. Anyone know of other places? We went by casa international and it was dead. What do I expect at 3pm? I will go back later tonight.
So it is day 3 in my trip and 7 more days to go. I am sure I may of paid too much in some cases, but hopefully not too much. I also ended up paying the taxi 20 an hour plus I bought him a few drinks. What would be the going rate? Probably cheaper.
Until my next report, best of luck to you all.
Junkyard
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Has anyone stayed at the Hilton and wasn't allowed to have guest in their room?
[QUOTE=Junkyard]My first night I went to LDV and found a nice chica. I negotiated 200 COP for TLN and bought her and me a drink. 14K COP it came to be I think. This was at about 12:30. We then went to a nightclub in el centro for about an hour. It was fun, but an overwhelming experience. I paid her entrance fee and two drinks for me and her. (I can hear the groans now). At about 2 I wanted to go back to my apartment so we went. She was good in the sack, but after one "termina" she wanted to leave! Even though being with her was a pleasant experience, I paid for TLN and wanted it. My Viagra pill needed to be used! In any case, I only paid her 100K COP. Obviously she was mad, but I stood my ground and she left. My question is, did I do the right thing? What is the definition of Toda La Noche? Worst case I figured multiple pops uptil 5am.
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Yes, you did the right thing to stand your ground. The proof is, she was fine about it the next day.
Things like "toda la noche" are too vague and the lazier girls will try and wriggle out of things any way they can. I prefer to say "until 10am" or "until midday" or whatever time you want. That way there is no comeback about what time you left the club, or "oh, is that the time!?"
Don't hesitate to ask direct questions like "Do you like sex?", it can give you a feel for whether she's going to deliver or not.
Buying drinks is OK. Personally I prefer to buy lots of drinks for the girls while in Cartagena. The LDV bar prices are quite reasonable and it usually pays off for you once you get her alone later in the night. I will buy a small bottle of rum at LDV, which means I can splash the drinks around a maybe deal her friends in a drink or two. And then I always have more booze back at the apartment.
[QUOTE=Junkyard]She wanted money for the cab ride home for I paid her 10K. Later I found another american here and he said its pretty much standard for cap ride far. What does everyone here think?
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Correct. Unless she lives in Bocagrande or Centro and then I would give her 5k.
[QUOTE=Junkyard]So it is day 3 in my trip and 7 more days to go. I am sure I may of paid too much in some cases, but hopefully not too much. I also ended up paying the taxi 20 an hour plus I bought him a few drinks. What would be the going rate? Probably cheaper.
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Yeah, you could probably pay 12k or 15k per hour. The true prices at the casas are probably much less than what you paid, but they always try and gouge the gringo. I got fed up with it and never use the casas.
Enjoy the rest of your time in Cartagena!
Sweetlemon - thank you for your report which was most informative. I was surprised by your comment on CTG not being that appealing from both a tourist and hobby points of view. I was actually planning a trip in December. Many travel books describe Cartagena as one of the most beautiful cities in South America and that was what created my interest. And the hobby of course :)
Would you or anybody else recommend any better alternatives within, say, a three hour flying time radius of Miami ?
Thanks and best regards.
JD
No, the posts of Sweetlemon and I were not the same. If you read the beginnings of both you can see that I prefaced my comments on having been to Cartagena 10 times. I took his post and added my comments in CAPS in response to his statements based upon one trip. Then someone on the other side of the world edited my comments and turned them all into lower cased comments.
I have never met Sweetlemon, I am not a friend of Sweetlemon, and no, Senator, I'm no Sweetlemon.
[QUOTE=JackDaniels]Sweetlemon - thank you for your report which was most informative. I was surprised by your comment on CTG not being that appealing from both a tourist and hobby points of view. I was actually planning a trip in December. Many travel books describe Cartagena as one of the most beautiful cities in South America and that was what created my interest. And the hobby of course :)
Would you or anybody else recommend any better alternatives within, say, a three hour flying time radius of Miami ?
Thanks and best regards.
JD[/QUOTE]
I spent two weeks last December in Cartagena and would second Sweetlemons report. Very accurate.
Try Rio de Janeiro or even Buenos Aires in that order. Longer flights but worth it.
El Greco
El Greco
Thank you for your response. I have travelled through Brazil and Argentina and have really enjoyed my time in both these countries in terms of travelling and the nightlife. I agree that these are the primary destinations in South America along with Peru.
I am looking for a change and hence my question.
It seems that the beauty of the women in Columbia is unequalled and that in itself would be worth seeing.
Would appreciate anyone's frank comments.
[QUOTE=JackDaniels]El Greco
Thank you for your response. I have travelled through Brazil and Argentina and have really enjoyed my time in both these countries in terms of travelling and the nightlife. I agree that these are the primary destinations in South America along with Peru.
I am looking for a change and hence my question.
It seems that the beauty of the women in Columbia is unequalled and that in itself would be worth seeing.
Would appreciate anyone's frank comments.[/QUOTE]
Then go to Medellin, stay at the Aussie's Greg mansion, frequent Parque las Jerras area epecially early thursday to sunday evenings. Fantastic upscale colombianas there. Non pros. Greg and the other guys there will guide you for the pro ones.
The only bad thing no beaches there and the high altitude is kind of tiring.
The city is nice and safe if you follow the rules.
They also run direct flights from Miami.
El Greco
[QUOTE=JackDaniels]El Greco
Thank you for your response. I have travelled through Brazil and Argentina and have really enjoyed my time in both these countries in terms of travelling and the nightlife. I agree that these are the primary destinations in South America along with Peru.
I am looking for a change and hence my question.
It seems that the beauty of the women in Columbia is unequalled and that in itself would be worth seeing.
Would appreciate anyone's frank comments.[/QUOTE]
I am a die hard Lima fan and think it the best place in SA for non-pro action. That bieng said I think as you have been to the top three spots in SA, you owe it to yourself to see and experience CTG even for non-mongering purposes. You will meet Colombiana's from all over, there are good apartment options and a extremely knowledgable and helpful monger by the handle of "Tom33". Have a good trip and let the rest of us know how you would rate things.
LB
[QUOTE=Lima Busy]I am a die hard Lima fan and think it the best place in SA for non-pro action. LB[/QUOTE]
Lima Busy,
You are not the first person to say that Lima has hot chicas.
I am curious as to where exactly do you find theses non-pro girls you speak of.
I will be going to Lima next year. Is this the right place or is there another location that is better. Also, how much work goes into finding non-pro action.
I have found that the further you get from the big cities, the easier the girls are to meet in a normal fasion. So I am wondering if this is also true of Peru.
BTW- Are you posting this info already on the Peru board? Also, do your run a B&B as well or know of a good one?
Cheers,
Cubanut
[quote]I have never met Sweetlemon, I am not a friend of Sweetlemon, and no, Senator, I'm no Sweetlemon.[/quote]I guess we got that sorted out.
JackDaniels, I don't want to say that it would be a bad place. I could live here. I do want to say that if you have a week or two, you'd really be losing out by choosing Cartagena if you haven't visted other Latin American locations as a tourist or a monger.
If you're looking for something breataking, Cartagena doesn't compare to many cities in Latin America.
For beach cities, Rio de Janerio, Havana, Puerto Vallarta, Acapulco, and arguably other Mexican and Cuban cities are much, much more beautiful and interesting IMHO and have plenty of P4P. I don't know Central America so I couldn't comment. It's definately better than Santo Domingo as a city, but the DR in general (including Boca Chica and the north coast) is a bit more fun it seems to me, though both the DR and Rio can be sketchy and a bit dangerous while Cartagena is quite safe. Buenos Aires is a totally different asthetic but they defenately have beautiful women there as well.
Jon32, thanks for the input. I've gone to a few good restuarants adn they were great. It still seems like they all have the pretty much the same things on the menu, but my sample size is admitedly small.
I think I'm going to stand by the ATM complaint. From Laguito it's about a 20 to 30 mintue walk to an ATM in Boca Grande round trip which in my book is pretty inconvinient (though perhaps maditory walking is good for the health). The only ATM I can find in Laguito is the one near the frozen yogurt place which is down most of the time.
Anyway, the Colombian women are as gorgeous as any women anywhere on any measure, that much is certain.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]I think I'm going to stand by the ATM complaint. From Laguito it's about a 20 to 30 mintue walk to an ATM in Boca Grande round trip which in my book is pretty inconvinient (though perhaps maditory walking is good for the health). The only ATM I can find in Laguito is the one near the frozen yogurt place which is down most of the time.
[/QUOTE]The Hilton hotel in Laguito has an ATM that I almost always used. Gives out 400K pesos. Walk into the hotel, go down the hall on the right, and it's down the hall a bit.
There are many very knowledgable folks in this forum, including residents who currently live there. Knowing simple things, such as the nearest ATM, would have made your stay in CTG more pleasant. Or a simple 'donde esta el cajero automatico mas cerca?' or 'hay otros cajeros automaticos cercana?' to one of the natives would also work (of course, sometimes they don't know or are passive agressive against gringos - I've experienced this in other countries, but not CO).
I'm grateful for the guys on this and other forums who have gone before me, took many for the the team in various aspects of travel, and have made my trip most enjoyable. Prior preparation via research is essential.
[QUOTE]Anyway, the Colombian women are as gorgeous as any women anywhere on any measure, that much is certain.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to nearly as many places as you or others in SA, but Colombianas sure have my vote!
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]I think I'm going to stand by the ATM complaint. From Laguito it's about a 20 to 30 mintue walk to an ATM in Boca Grande round trip which in my book is pretty inconvinient (though perhaps maditory walking is good for the health).[/QUOTE]
Jeez, some of the best puss-watching and trolling areas are in Boca Grande. If you are too lazy to walk, you can bus there for 900 pesos. Walk the streets, have a coffee, hit an ATM, have lunch or dinner[your comment about the same stuff on the menu is way off]. Hell, you might even get lucky and want to cab to Laguito with your catch of the day(4K pesos).
Inconvenient? Do you have to work long hours while you are here? If you want to stay in Laguito and only eat at restaurants directly between your apartment and LDV, you might be right.
On a more general note, CTG is not for everyone. MDE is a much nicer city, but you need a bit more experience to handle it.
[QUOTE=Cubanut]Lima Busy,
You are not the first person to say that Lima has hot chicas.
I am curious as to where exactly do you find theses non-pro girls you speak of.
I will be going to Lima next year. Is this the right place or is there another location that is better. Also, how much work goes into finding non-pro action.
I have found that the further you get from the big cities, the easier the girls are to meet in a normal fasion. So I am wondering if this is also true of Peru.
BTW- Are you posting this info already on the Peru board? Also, do your run a B&B as well or know of a good one?
Cheers,
Cubanut[/QUOTE]
Cubanut,
Do not want to clog up this thread with info on Lima as it is well covered on this site as well as others. No monger B&B's as most guys prefer to stay in a hotel or rent a apartment.With the #3 cuisine in the world today and world renowned restuarants as well as ethnic diversity Lima has a more cosmopolitian feel to it. Most guy's will tell you if your a "city type" the best mongering is always in the capital city of any country. If P4P is your thing than "prices" are always cheaper in the outlying areas. Peru's reputation is not based on the beauty of the population as a whole, but more on the approachability and sweetness of the women. If you want more info just follow the Lima thread and to make up for my post I include a photo of a non-pro friend of mine.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]For beach cities, Rio de Janerio, Havana, Puerto Vallarta, Acapulco, and arguably other Mexican and Cuban cities are much, much more beautiful and interesting IMHO and have plenty of P4P.[/QUOTE]
Rio de Janeiro, yes: better beaches, better beach life, plenty of P4P. Havana? Great colonial city, yes, but beach life? P4P, yes, but a pain in the ass (well, at least it was while I was there in 1998). Acapulco? Not bad, but sky-high P4P, and I hope nobody seriously compares Mexican women to Colombian ones (P4P or not). Puerto Vallarta: don't know, but I wouldn't hold my breath in terms of P4P (I live in Mexico, after all).
Just trying to be fair to Cartagena. IMHO, it's a worthy alternative destination after Rio, maybe if only to get a different taste. Something that I couldn't say about Mexico, P4P-wise.
[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]I think I'm going to stand by the ATM complaint. From Laguito it's about a 20 to 30 mintue walk to an ATM in Boca Grande round trip which in my book is pretty inconvinient (though perhaps maditory walking is good for the health). The only ATM I can find in Laguito is the one near the frozen yogurt place which is down most of the time.[/QUOTE]
As Tom correctly mentioned, there are TONS of ATMs in Boca Grande, and I have never had a problem with any of them. Come to think of it, there are way more working ATMs in Cartagena than in Rio de Janeiro, even in Copacabana. I have yet to find a working one in Centro Rio, while finding one in downtown Cartagena has never been a problem for me.
EA
hello everyone,
first, thanks for cachorro for his insights into my questions. i´ve met many people and starting to learn the ropes so to speak. after we left off, i then went to other casas that night. (the casa i mensioned in my last post was casa morino btw). i also visited ldv again and got the blondie from medellin. since i had two other girls that night it took me a little while to finish. but 10 minutes, come on. she started saying stuff like i need to finish. i swear, only 10 minutes! i paid her the 150k and never again.
next night i hired another cab driver for 20k an hour. he was a cool guy that had a cd player in his taxi and played michael jackson the whole time. nothing like driving down a road in cartagena with thriller blasting in the background. at about 8pm our first stop was pleyboy. it was dead. only one girl there that was a 6. we then went to casa lavagante which is right next door. there was a few girls there, and some birthday party for an italian. i got a nice girl named patricia (not her real name as i found out). nice 19 year old girl. i paid 60k for the house and 80k for her. she gave me the best bbbj i´ve ever had so i ended up giving her 100k. since i was looking for a chica to travel with, i got her number and invited her to spend the day with me the following day, then go to the resort cocolisco. i told her i´d call at 12:30 the next day.
the taxi guy and me then went to casa international. again, not many if any guys, and about 7 or 8 girls. we sit at a table and a nearby girl catches my eye. i buy her a beer and we talk for awhile. it is 50k for the house and we negotiate a price. she wanted 80k and i said 60k. she said 80k. i told her she is supposed to say 70k next. she wouldn´t budge and i told the driver that we need to leave after this beer and she gave in. the price doesn´t matter to me too much, i just want these girls to be flexible. so after a few drinks we head up to the room. again, a great bbbj. unfortunately, she has had a child so her body isn´t up to speed. i give her a 7.5. at the end of the session, she must of been in love with me. truth or not, she said i made her orgasm 3 times and i could see the love in her eyes. kind of scary if you ask me. i got her number but i won´t call her up.
the next day i call patricia at 12:30 and she is going to meet me at my apartment at 2. at 3 she finally arrives. we have sex within the first 10 minutes, then go off to get something to eat. we also bought 2 tickets to cocolisco resort at the hilton. a few hours later we come back and go at it again. i thought she was going to stay the whole night, but she ended up leaving because the ¨casa¨ needs her around. dang it, what does it take to get a girl to stay the whole night around here? i paid her the agreed upon 150k for her time.
the next morning she comes over at 7:30 and we´re off to cocoliso. it´s tuesday and cloudy and rainy. during the boat ride over, the last 10 minutes it was pouring and a little chilly. we go snorkling and sit in the sun, blah blah blah. overall, the place wasn´t as good as it seems. a good experience overall, but not sure if i´ll do it again. when i get back home i´ll post some pictures of the resort and my chica. she leaves after we got at it again that night and i´ll probably never talk or see her again.
wednesday. so on my way through bogata, i got the phone number of an american i met at the airport. i would of called him earlier but i lost his number! however, on tuesday i found it while packing for cocolisco. so i call him on wednesday afternoon. turns out it´s his colombian girlfriends phone number. she says he left this morning. she asks is she can come over. i say, sure. an hour later she comes with her two daughters. one is a 9, and another is a gordita 5. we ended up walking to bocagrande and eat dinner. uh oh, they wanted me to pay. bad sign. i paid like a stupid gringo. they end up inviting me back to their house which is, seriously, a 45 minute cab ride into who knows where in cartagena. i´ll have to post those pictures, too. i find out the 22 years old hot daughter has a kid of her own. she goes down to a 8 in my book. we were supposed to go out tonight (thursday) to a club. i figured my chances of sex were low, and she had a kid - she can´t be smoking hot. if i wanted to date a girl with no guarenteed sex, i´d be vacationing in miami! i blew her off and took another option. that wednesday night i ended up going to ldv. it was raining cats and dogs and i got there about 11:30. not many girls or guys there. i found a decent looking girl, probably a 7. we agree on 100k for short term. she was the first girl from ldv that gave me a bbbj. congradulations.
i heard of this cab driver which has university girls that are under his wing so to speak. i took him up on his offer of 200k for a university girl. in 90 minutes he came with a 29 year old girl which was probably a 8. however, i later learned she didn´t have much sexual experience and even didn´t do a bbbj. terrible. i paid her the 200k and figured that was it. later the taxi driver comes to my door and wants his take. this really got me mad. i thought the 200k was all inclusive. i angerly gave him 20k and told him to leave me alone. i´ll tell his friend that introduced me to the service that i apologize, but never again.
today i met another american here and we are going to check out a club called tripletera or something similiar in el centro. apparently it´s similar to ldv. i also heard there is another club called isis (it´s pronounced ysis) that´s similar to ldv in el centro. i only have 2 more days so not sure if i´ll get to visit or not. i´ll let you all know.
junkyard
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hi,,
a couple of excellent reports from junkyard has inspired this longtime lurker to post some contributions on cartagena.
to put my experience in context: i have been to south america (mostly rio, ba, sp, ctg) 7 or 8 times in the last couple of years. i know the score reasonably well. i would place cartegana 2nd in sa in terms of value for money and girl experiences. rio would have to be number one: there are many more options and i dig the br girls. having said that, everytime i go to ctg i've had excellent gfe experiences. they're probably more attainable in ctg than in rio imho.
my modus operandi: i like to get <british style> pissed. therefore, i like the bar scenes. therefore (ii), i like helpeee in rio, newport in ba, neptunes in hong kong and ldv in cartegena. to my mind, ldv is a smaller, well ok much smaller, version of helpee. if you squint, you're slightly pissed and self-delusional, they can both feel like regular clubs where the girls just happen to be particularly friendly.
in term of value for money: ctg beats rio hands down. the chap that posted earlier about rio being equitable was just plain wrong. rio is much more expensive than ctg these days. the price of accommodation is pretty comparable actually, with decent apartments available in both cities for $50 a day, but it's the price of the girls where rio becomes expensive. it's difficult to get helpee girls for less than r200 tln (usually more) which is about gbp60. it's much easier to get a ldv girl for 200k pesos (gbp40) and the experience, so long as you follow the ground rules, tends to be better too. having said that, you could easily argue the lower cost per girl advantage of ctg is offset by the significantly greater number of options in rio (termos, escorts, freelancers, helpee, balcony, meia pataca etc).
overall, i'd recommend a newbie who doesn't speak spanish should go to rio.
now, i have a questions: i've never been to ctg around the xmas period, but i'm thinking of arriving just before new years eve. whats ldv like at that time of year? is la ley seca active around this time (i'll be staying around 2 weeks)? do the girls tend to go home for xmas? any insights much appreciated.
luego
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I leave CTG for MDE during Christmas. The city is packed, and lodging prices are double or triple.
Tom,
I'm thinking of arriving on the 29th. A good time, you think? I could just go to Rio, but can't decide. Is there any La Ley Seca period in CTG at that time?
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I leave CTG for MDE during Christmas. The city is packed, and lodging prices are double or triple.[/QUOTE]
Daytime action: really tough. There is action to be had in Laguito, late afternoon/early evening, but IMHO it's really tough. I should say I'm a pretty shy guy, so for the more brazen of you maybe it's easier, but for me it'd hard work. There's the odd girl around, but it sure aint Rio (Balcony, Meia Pataca) during the day. My favoured daytime activity is to get some casa girls, who certainly aren't used to the gringo action, and invite them around during the day. I had a couple of girls around for 300k. They arrived at 1pm, left at 6-ish. Was lovely. And the casa girls generally are much more appreciative than the LDV girls who, by and large, are waaaaay gringo-tired. I'm certain I could have gotten a cheaper price than 300k but I need to feel the price is right for me as well as for them.
As much as I love LDV, btw, it aint the be-all and end-all. There are a number of other excellent options:
Pleyboy: only been there one. It was pretty decent, I can't remember the price, but I think around 200k for one hour or slightly less. Lots of cute girls, I don't know about the TNL options (which is what I'm most interested in), but I'd say ok value for money for the hourly option considering the high quality of girls.
La Triplaterra/Girro Matti/Candela/Other centro options: I gotta say, I love these places. They're bars, but full of hookers. And Me Love Da Hookers. In these places in Centro you can mostly tell the difference between Colombia and Brazil. There are girls, and they're most certainly pros, but you can pretend (in the self-delusional game we all play with ourseleves) that they're not pros. For a drinker like myself, Giro Matti is ace. Open til 6 or 7, crowded, 90% of the girls hookers, but very few of them hustling for buiness. Perfect for those of us wanting several hours of self-delusional fun.
That's it for now.
Two of us friends visited Cartagena from November 7 thru November 12, 2006, and from November 12th thru 17th at the Medellin Mansion.
Cartagena:
We reached Cartagena at 1:00pm, rented our apartment from Juan Ventura. Juan put us up in Edificio playa mar 802 for the first three days and Playa mar 801 from November 10 thru 12. Due to busy season we had to switch the apartments on November 10, 2006. I recommend 801 cause it has an excellent beach view from balcony and the master bedroom.
In short service provided by Juan Ventura was remarkably good (Two thumbs up).
This trip of mine was sort of no limit money wise. I was in no mood to negotiate as long as i was only doing top class girls. I wanted girl friend experience and in most cases i did get it.
I blew away US$4,000 in 10 days (including my ticket and stay). I dont' even remember how many girls i had in my trip, but i can tell you this that aside from may be 1 or so none of the girls was less than 8.5 in my scale.
Just to give you guys an idea of what i say is 8.5, I am posting a girl from Cartagena which i booked from 1:00 am to 5:00 pm the next day for US$175 (COP 350,000), also i am posting a girl from medellin by the name of Lina from Loutron (she was a knock out and a 9.4 in my scale. I can only give a 10 to Aishwaria Rai (Indian top model/actress).
Recomendations in Cartagena:
Valentina from LDV ( I literally made love to her, just like you would make love to your girl friend for the first time). After my session with her, it was her words "may be i should pay you." I paid her COP 300k for the night.
Pley club in Cartagena is the closest to a Terma setting of Rio de Janeiro. One hour session at the club is 150k and girl for the night including club fees is usually 300k (The price is pretty much set). I recommend that if you
want to have a fun experience in Cartagena, don't miss out on visiting Pley club. They have thailand style shows going on every 20 or 30 mins. If nothing else go check the shows out. Girls are dancing all around you, and at pley club, pretty soon you will have the feeling that you died and went to Heaven.
Cartagena had some good ass night time action, but the action was quite limited to night time. Day time action was some what limited.
[quote=artful]hi,,
to my mind, ldv is a smaller, well ok much smaller, version of helpee.][/quote]
artful, thanks for the excellent report. i hope you had a chance to check out giro matto in el centro. although it doesn't start until late (past 3am), it's a great place to be after chasing after regular girls is over. you'll see a lot of girls from ldv you saw earlier in the nite, but the prices come down and it has more of an atmosphere of a regular club which makes it a lot of fun bringing them back. also, there you are more likely to run into an occasional semipro visiting from out of town (also true of tu candela)
i just returned from the miss colombia week in cartagena. compared to last year, there were a lot fewer people this year...
A quick photo tip: when there is a bright background, use forced flash.
Great Report John!
A question: Which Valentina did you encounter from LDV? (there seems to be about 3) Was she from Medellin, Monteria or Barranquilla?
There is a thread on another web site that warns about a girls from LDV, with the same name.
I encountered a girl with this name in LDV last year that was a less than satisfactory experience. ( I am guessing not the same you met)
Any fotos of her? Or describe her?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Jim Nelson]Great Report John!
A question: Which Valentina did you encounter from LDV? (there seems to be about 3) Was she from Medellin, Monteria or Barranquilla?
There is a thread on another web site that warns about a girls from LDV, with the same name.
I encountered a girl with this name in LDV last year that was a less than satisfactory experience. ( I am guessing not the same you met)
Any fotos of her? Or describe her?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Jim Nelson,
The Valentina I had was from Medellin. As per describing her she didn't look no more than 19 years of age. Her tit size was may be a B cup. Young and energetic girl.
HEHE, One of the chics i almost fell in love with. If I wasn't married I would certainly think about her much much more.
Only reason i go mongering around the world is to keep all those good memories in international waters and not to bring them home (LOL).
Regards,
John.
If it is the Valentina from MDE that I know, she likes anything but "making love". She likes it rough and hard. Tall flaca, brown hair butt you can just about hold in one hand......ohhhh the memories.......
Sparky
[QUOTE=Sparkchaser69]If it is the Valentina from MDE that I know, she likes anything but "making love". She likes it rough and hard. Tall flaca, brown hair butt you can just about hold in one hand......ohhhh the memories.......
Sparky[/QUOTE]
lol... funny how thoser are the ones that really get into the memory - have a few memories from various places in the world like that.
[quote]if you are too lazy to walk, you can bus there for 900 pesos.[/quote]
dude, seriously. yes, i know where boca grande is. i have been there countless times now and, yes, i agree it has some atms. no, i am not too "lazy" to walk. i wanted to let people know that getting money can be a bit inconvenient in laguito – and it can be.
i think many people visiting won't like to have to take a cab/bus/walk to boca grade when they find laguito's lonely atm down, either. sometimes people need cash fast (and tourists generally need cash constantly) and drawn out/complicated atm runs in an unfamiliar city, particularly at night, and especially for all those that don't know how to ask for an atm in spanish can be a chore so please chill.
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anyway, in other news...
i went to pley club the other evening. it's a long ride from laguito and i almost didn't believe we had arrived when i saw it from the outside. it didn’t look like the city’s “top” strip club. it looked like a dirty non-descript house with some taxis mulling about outside. it’s actually connected to a ragged hotel-esque structure with a dozen rooms or more where the girls take you for a shag and where i later found out that the visiting girls actually live.
the inside was smallish and very bland save for some flourishes and a couple fancy lights around the bar area. you can see that they made some effort to make it look like a strip club but also that they fell far short of achieving the full effect. loud techno music, smoky, somewhat limited drink selection. there were two strobe lights, one broken, so it was always a bit too dark to see the girls well. the stage itself i have to say was pathetic. it had all the ambiance of a dirty fish tank and the single poll was too short for any proper acrobatics. beers were 7,000 cop and there was no cover. there was no high pressure lady drink stuff here either so it was pretty tranquil on that front. girls didn’t pressure you unless you wanted them to. this is not a rip off joint (save for a couple hustlers outside hoping to put the bite on you for this or that as you try to arrange a taxi back home).
i went on a saturday at about 1:00 am and there were about 30 girls and 30 guys there, all colombian. the girls mainly lined the perimeters sitting in chairs or dancing by themselves waiting for an invitation while the guys occupied the tables around the stage. all girls cost the same 150,000 cop for an in-house shag and 300,000 to leave with you. you actually pay at the bar and they register the girl and the sum in a big book. the girls were from 5 to 7 i’d say. i was planning on taking one out, but i didn’t see anyone worth taking out, so i resolved to shag as many girls as i could in-house until i could shag no more. all things considered, the ldv had better looking girls.
viewing it through the lens of a strip club (and it may really be more of a brothel/bar where a bit of stripping takes place that a real strip club), there were some odd characteristics of this “strip club”. first, none (or almost none) of the girls were wearing hot stripper clothes. they were mainly in jeans or dresses not different what you might find at the ldv or even on the street. when i go to a strip club, i want to see thongs, and thigh-highs and spandex and tits and asses undulating at every turn. you really get very little of this at pley club. second, it seems like there was an inordinately long period between dancers, like 10 or 15 minutes. ok, this gives people an opportunity to dance and mingle i suppose, but personally i’d rather see wall to wall stripping. a real oddity was that immediately after the girl’s show (and they do strip to the nude) is that a guy jumps up on stage and wraps the girl in a robe that looks like it had been lifted from sugar ray leonard’s locker room circa 1980. what’s odd isn’t the robe but the urgency with which he jumps on stage and wraps the dancer with it as if she were his wife and everyone else where some ill mannered neighbor that had just barged into their bedroom uninvited as she was getting out of the shower. personally, i’d encourage the girls to walk around nude as much as possible. i’m sure management would have more to write in that big book of theirs if they did.
anyway, i was getting on with various girls and especially enjoying two blond paisas (paisa is what they call girls from medellín apparently). i enjoyed pretending i heard them say payasa (which means clown), then pretending like i didn’t understand their explanation and then asking them where their red nose was or if it took a long time to learn how to juggle.
i had just left the room adjacent to the entrance after shagging one of them to observe all the lights on and a bunch of military standing around checking ids. word to the wise—don’t mess with **** girls. the military it turns out where there checking for **** girls and if that cute blonde i had just shagged had turned out to be 16, i’m not sure it would have been an especially good evening. i got the feeling that that is not the sort of offense that one can slip them $20 to forget about and felt a bit nervous given the stone looks on their faces. i guess everyone passed inspection as they left about 15 minutes later without any incident at which point the lights went off and the music started again.
it was an ok experience, but i’m still missing the sort of insane shapes you see in brazil and mexico where the girls in the top places look like the exaggeratedly sexy women you see in comic books.
in sum, pley club is so so, ldv has better quality and cart i still find lacking from my perspective. i think the regular non-pro discos are where you’ll find the best looking women in cartagena imho but you have to be smooth and speak spanish to take advantage.
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[quote]The chap that posted earlier about Rio being equitable was just plain wrong.[/quote]I'm guessing I'd be the afrementioned chap or if not I think "plain wrong" is a bit bold. One, including myself, really shouldn't overgeneralize about prices. I notice lots of debates over prices on this board (and I see dudes getting into it over like $20 differences) which is pointless becuase a woman in these situations is really not a commodity and there are so many variables that can influence what she asks for and what you agree to pay that guys spouting different rates can both be correct. In Mexico, for example, prices vary from $10 USD for 20 mintue shag with a skanky Boys Town puta to $1,000 USD for a couple hours with an elite model in Mexico City. I've sampled both.
If you go to Rio during Carnival or high season prices will be very high becuase there are too many dudes there willing to pay anything. And why not, this is their big chance. The law of supply and demand. You'll find many girls travel to Rio from all over Brazil and really a lot of Brazilian girls working in Europe come back to work this season. I lived in Rio for a year and found prices were generally reasonable at Help and even better in other places, better than what I experienced in my brief sample at LDV (though I admit I don't really like to bargin and again I'm sure you can do better). I'm sure you could find some $20 USD nookie here in Cart as well if you really worked it. You can get hot girls in Rio for as little as $10 or $20 USD in certian places. I don't even want to mention Belo Horizonte which has a large complex of shabby hotles near the Rodoviária where you can get a decent girl, I kid you not, for as little as $5 USD. In Rio the quantity and variety is so, so much greater than Cartagena that it's not even comprable really. I'm sure any dude that wants to truck it to Vila Mimosa in Rio can find girls they find totally hot for $10 or $20 bucks (Vila Mimosa is NOT recomended for non-Portuguese speakers or uptight people becuase it's really shady and really rowdy.)
I agree some girls at Help will try on very high prices and there are some girls there so beautiful that you can't resist. I guess one's communication and appearance can also be a big factor as well as your intentions. I think a girl is likely to quote high for guys they find unattractive, disagreable, who can't speak the language or who wants to spend all night plugging her in the ass (or of course those who accept the first price that sails out of a girl's mouth and doesn't bargain). If you're all of these things expect to pay top dollar. Most girls would rather go party and have fun with some guy she vibes with and is attracted to (or at least some guy that wants a simple quickie around the corner in a love motel) and quote accordingly. If she thinks there is some boyfriend potential she or just digs you she may go for free. I generally prefer the "free" action (save dinner, drinks, taxis, etc) in all of the above places personally. Also, there is just obviosuly large variation from girl to girl as beauty is in the eye of the beholder both in terms of their self opinion and our opinion of them. I guess purists could also mention exchange rates and all that not to mention if that perpetually sick aunt actually gets sick and the family is in need some fast cash. So plug all those variables into your nookie calculator.
Anyway, the rates I quoted are not by government decree, but based on my personal experience. I'm sure other prices mentioned were just as true for their publishers.
One thing is certain though and that is Rio can be hella dangerous. I got into three physical fights of various degrees of severity during my year there there and a friend of mine got mugged at knife point and also got into a pretty bad bar fight with some management that tried to pull a major rip off scam on him and he refused to pay. Two other friends got their drinks spiked and got extremely sick.
Some of the girls in Rio are pure evil. I can't say that to the same degree about girls I met anywhere else, even in the US, Africa or Haiti. Rio is both the best and the worst of places. The Brazilians have a saying (this is a weak paraphrase) about how when God created Brazil instead of giving them earthquakes, hurricanes and natural disasters his punishment was instead to give them Brazilians. The biggest (and possibly only) advantage that Cartagena has over Rio IMO is that Cartagena is safe and Rio is not.
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[QUOTE=Sweetlemon]I guess we got that sorted out.
I think I'm going to stand by the ATM complaint. From Laguito it's about a 20 to 30 mintue walk to an ATM in Boca Grande round trip which in my book is pretty inconvinient (though perhaps maditory walking is good for the health). The only ATM I can find in Laguito is the one near the frozen yogurt place which is down most of the time.
Anyway, the Colombian women are as gorgeous as any women anywhere on any measure, that much is certain.[/QUOTE]
There is a Hilton in Laguito, it has an ATM. I used it many times. A hop, skip, and jump from the Torre Centauro. Next time use that and stop wasting time going to Boca Grande.
[QUOTE=Sylvester]There is a Hilton in Laguito, it has an ATM. I used it many times. A hop, skip, and jump from the Torre Centauro. Next time use that and stop wasting time going to Boca Grande.[/QUOTE]Also, when I was there in June it had a $400,000 limit, higher then any other I had found.
Goat
The one at the yogurt shop worked every time I used it in August, the best one is on the same street about 100 meters before Olympica ( the supermarket) in Bocagrande, yes it is 15-20 minutes roundtrip max, if you walk, but you can get 500K at a time from the ATM. The only complaint about that ATM is that it is the coldest place in Cartagena, once you lock yourself in there you freeze your ass off.
Hey guys, we can't confuse Sweetie with the facts. I guess he can't find the Hilton or read. And cajero automatico(o ah-te-emay) is pretty hard to pronounce.
I have lived in Laguito for 4 years. The ATM by Yogen Fruz has failed to function for me maybe 4 times in 4 years. That has been my primary ATM. I have to walk about 40 yards to get there. The Hilton is maybe 70 yards in the other direction. But there is no 5-star restaurant between my building and the ATM.
Why am I still here?
Gee I wonder why you are still there. I would think you would rather be in The United States of America, where the women are pasty,fat and think you own them not just something, but everything. God I know the weather must be awful in CTG also, I mean you can be in Green Bay in Janurary and have better climate. I bet you would sacrifice the hot colombianas for an opportunity to hang out at the local Bowling alley.
All kidding aside, some people Tom do not have the ability to evaluate data in front of them and make a decision or have a mild discomfort in Cartagena and you would think all hell had broken loose. So an ATM does not work, BFD.....
Hello Everyone,
Before I get into the story, I'll express my experiences at ATM's while there since it seems to be a hot topic. I am only stating what happened to me and I'm not intending to offend anyone.
I wish I would of known about the ATM at the Hilton. I always ended up using the ATM next to the Frozen Yogurt shop in el Laguito. Half the time it didn't print out a receipt, and it was broken for 3 days of my trip. The maximum take is 300K.
I ended up walking around Bocagrande and found a few more ATMs. One with a 200K limit, and another with a 300K. There was one day where I really needed to get money and the Frozen Yogurt one was broken, and the other 300K one in Bocagrande was out. And at the 200K bank only one machine worked! Granted it was my first trip there, it was frusterating. I finally found another machine farther in Bocagrande that worked. And BTW, even though I told my credit union I was going to Colombia they blocked my card on day 6. I haven't had the time to ask them why, just an FYI. I ended up using my backup for the last 4 days of the trip.
Ok, back to the fun! That night my the american friend and I checked out Tripletera in el centro. We got there around 11:30pm and the place had about 20 girls. The best was maybe a 7.5. No real stunners. We decided to stay for 45 minutes and watch the fun. There was loud club music and all the girls seemed to be having a good time. I asked a waiter (who looked and acted like a regular customer) if all the girls here are working. He said yes. It also cost 10K to enter. I did talk to one girl that caught my eye. I screened her and bought her a drink. Because of my trip to Cocolisco earlier in the trip, my back was itching. I asked her to scratch it and she refused! I couldn't believe it. She said something about this being a disco club. Whatever that means. It turned me off so bad I left her sitting on the couch. A few minutes later my friend and I left to go to Ysis.
We get to Ysis and it's a smaller club. As usual we are the only gringos there. We end up talking to a few girls. They end up having kids (we wanted to have girls with no kids tonight) so we decided to check out Pleyboy.
We went to Pleyboy and I was unimpressed. I was there earlier in my trip, but this time it had maybe 10 - 15 girls. I expected to see great looking girls but I all I saw was maybe an 8 here and there. We stayed for 10 minutes, but we both agreed we didn't like the atmosphere and the women. My friend had an idea. He told the cab driver to run around el centro and find some working street girls. So we did.
After 15 minutes of this it was clear no good ones were to be found, so we went back to Tripltera. Same girls, same story. So we went to Ysis. My friend found a girl he wanted. After 20 minutes talking to her, she wanted 400K for all night. He refused. I found a girl with a great body, but ok face. She didn't have kids so I bit. She wanted 200K. I told her 150K. She said ok but with a tip. I told her yes if I liked her. I had to pay the money to the bar and not her. My friend ended up going to LDV that night. He got there around 3pm and said it was excellent and got a nice lady who likes it in the ass.
One thing all people tell me is trust your instincts. The chica I took home had a semi-bad attitude. She performed well in the sack, no BBBJ. Did I mension she had a great body? But overall attitude I didn't like. I told her if I liked her I'd give her a tip. After it was done I didn't ger her one. She blurted something in Spanish about me never going back to Ysis then left the apartment. That's two girls now leaving mad. Probably just newbie learning.
The next day I decided to call up the chica I had from Venus my second day. She is a 7.5, but the best attitude I've seen so far. I'll post a picture of her soon. Sex whenever I wanted, and a great attitude the whole time. We went to go to the San Felipe castle, too. With her I had a realization. I never used to look forward to BJ's. It was because no one was doing them right.
She stayed all night and left the next morning. The all night takeout fee at Venus is 80K, and I paid her 220K on top of that. I know I could of got away with less, but I liked her and I'm sure she could use it.
For my last trip, I called a taxi driver from before and told him to pick me up at 8:30pm. To my surprise he came at 8:20. Because of broken through plans, my american friend came too. I had 700K in my pocket and was ready to have some fun. Our first stop: Casa de Marino.
I was still debating whether to get several girls, or get one for all night. We get to Casa De Marino at about 9pm. No guys, and about 8 or 9 girls. We sit by ourselves at a table and try to figure out which one we want, if any. I saw the girl I had before but I wanted variety. Two girls caught my eye and I got the taxi driver to get one of them over. She looked good, but told me she had one child. I wanted a stunner, so she left to do something and I called the other one over. If she wouldn't of left, I would of had to reject her somehow. What's the best way? This new girl was hot. I have one picture of her and it doesn't do her justice. I ended up paying the house fee of 130K plus 200K to bring her home for an all nighter. My american friend is more money conscious. He picked another girl and got her down to 130 + 150 after some bargaining. Next trip I'll dedicate a night to haggling.
She was hungry so we stopped by a gas station to pick up some food. Now picture this. A hot colombian girl dressed up like a stripper and a gringo in a mini food mart in a gas station. Priceless. I get her back and we drink some rum and hang out on the balcony. She was great but she was a little sensitive in her breasts. I never got a BJ from her, but then again I never asked (they always just give it to you). Overall I'd give her an attitude of a 7.
The next morning I left early for my flight to Bogata. I didn't realize that in Colombia you only need to get to your flight 60-90 minutes early. Not 150 minutes. They literally told me to wait around for 80 minutes then come back. Remember to have your 80K to leave the country.
That's it. Thanks to everyone with their experiences and advice. Overall I had a great experience and I'm coming back. Send me a message if you want any details on my 3 reports.
Junkyard
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[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Artful, thanks for the excellent report. I hope you had a chance to check out Giro Matto in el centro. [/QUOTE]I thought I'd followed up my earlier report with another report on some of the other options in CTG, but either a) I was drunk (very possible) or b) the system screwed up (less possible), but anyway it didn't seem to post, so here goes for a second time.
I've been to CTG 4 or 5 times in total and have become less dependant upon LDV. LDV still features in most if not all of my nights, but not necessarily the highlight. Here's a rundown of the non-LDV options. Apologies, but I'm not that good at remembering prices.
1) Giro Matto, as mentioned by Sean EZ above. The favoured option after 3am. As Sean says, it's the venue LDV girls go when it closes, and it's a more relaxed, less transactional atmosphere. I have to admit, I AM WITHOUT FAIL annihilated by the time I reach here, which probably contribute to the consistently good time I have. Prices are probably lower. To be honest, I think probably only 1/3 of the girls there are LDV regulars...I don't really know where the others come from, but 85.6% of them are available. ' Giro Matto is a club, with relentless electronic/techno playing, so if you can't tolerate this, maybe this place is not for you.
2) La Triplaterra, Mr Bimboa....(there's one or two others, I can't remember their names I'm afraid). These are bars located in Centro. They're decent pre-midnight options. If you accept that the best experiences usually don't come from the stunners (all experienced mongers will agree with this) then you'll be happy here. Not to say they're mingers coz they're not, I've seen one or two 9/10s in there, but a higher average is found in LDV, but IMO they're more friendly here. The girls that go to these places on the whole don't go to LDV, so when you've been 3 nights in a row to LDV and people start shouting your name as soon as you walk-in in true 'Cheers' style, pay these places a visit.
3) Pleyboy. I wasn't really impressed by Pleyboy. I've been to several casas, and although it's head and shoulders above the rest in CTG, it doesn't really compare well with the Termas in Rio. Actually, it doesn't even come close to the Termas in Rio. Prices weren't good, esp when compared with the options above, which are usually for TLN if you know what you're doing.
4) Casas. I went to several over one or two days. They were all really grim IMHO. Cheap options, but not offering what I'm looking for: quality girls, and a party atmosphere. Will suit those looking for a quick bang.
5) Daytime options. For me, a shy retiring Englishman, CTG is hard work during the day. 75% of the time tho, there's been an LDV girl hanging around from the night before, which has suited me fine. A couple of occasions tho, I've kept numbers from girls I met at the casas, and called them during the day. I don't mean to be disparaging, but my experience with casa girls is that they're less wordly-wise than their LDV counter-parts which equates to lower prices. They also tend to be a bit starry-eyed in the presence of gringos and a couple of times have gotten quite attached to. I should point out that I am gorgeous, which might explain this. <joke>
Sweetlemon: accept your point, of course, that there's a massive variety of prices in both RIO and CTG. However, if you're looking for a beautiful girl that'll give a decent experience, LDV on average will be 30-40% cheaper than Help, which is the fairest comparison I can come up with.
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[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Artful, thanks for the excellent report. I hope you had a chance to check out Giro Matto in el centro. [/QUOTE]I thought I'd followed up my earlier report with another report on some of the other options in CTG, but either a) I was drunk (very possible) or b) the system screwed up (less possible), but anyway it didn't seem to post, so here goes for a second time.
I've been to CTG 4 or 5 times in total and have become less dependant upon LDV. LDV still features in most if not all of my nights, but not necessarily the highlight. Here's a rundown of the non-LDV options. Apologies, but I'm not that good at remembering prices.
1) Giro Matto, as mentioned by Sean EZ above. The favoured option after 3am. As Sean says, it's the venue LDV girls go when it closes, and it's a more relaxed, less transactional atmosphere. I have to admit, I AM WITHOUT FAIL annihilated by the time I reach here, which probably contribute to the consistently good time I have. Prices are probably lower. To be honest, I think probably only 1/3 of the girls there are LDV regulars...I don't really know where the others come from, but 85.6% of them are available. ' Giro Matto is a club, with relentless electronic/techno playing, so if you can't tolerate this, maybe this place is not for you.
2) La Triplaterra, Mr Bimboa....(there's one or two others, I can't remember their names I'm afraid). These are bars located in Centro. They're decent pre-midnight options. If you accept that the best experiences usually don't come from the stunners (all experienced mongers will agree with this) then you'll be happy here. Not to say they're mingers coz they're not, I've seen one or two 9/10s in there, but a higher average is found in LDV, but IMO they're more friendly here. The girls that go to these places on the whole don't go to LDV, so when you've been 3 nights in a row to LDV and people start shouting your name as soon as you walk-in in true 'Cheers' style, pay these places a visit.
3) Pleyboy. I wasn't really impressed by Pleyboy. I've been to several casas, and although it's head and shoulders above the rest in CTG, it doesn't really compare well with the Termas in Rio. Actually, it doesn't even come close to the Termas in Rio. Prices weren't good, esp when compared with the options above, which are usually for TLN if you know what you're doing.
4) Casas. I went to several over one or two days. They were all really grim IMHO. Cheap options, but not offering what I'm looking for: quality girls, and a party atmosphere. Will suit those looking for a quick bang.
5) Daytime options. For me, a shy retiring Englishman, CTG is hard work during the day. 75% of the time tho, there's been an LDV girl hanging around from the night before, which has suited me fine. A couple of occasions tho, I've kept numbers from girls I met at the casas, and called them during the day. I don't mean to be disparaging, but my experience with casa girls is that they're less wordly-wise than their LDV counter-parts which equates to lower prices. They also tend to be a bit starry-eyed in the presence of gringos and a couple of times have gotten quite attached to. I should point out that I am gorgeous, which might explain this. <joke>
Sweetlemon: accept your point, of course, that there's a massive variety of prices in both RIO and CTG. However, if you're looking for a beautiful girl that'll give a decent experience, LDV on average will be 30-40% cheaper than Help, which is the fairest comparison I can come up with.
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[QUOTE=Artful]Sweetlemon: accept your point, of course, that there's a massive variety of prices in both RIO and CTG. However, if you're looking for a beautiful girl that'll give a decent experience, LDV on average will be 30-40% cheaper than Help, which is the fairest comparison I can come up with[/QUOTE]
Based on my personal experience, I think that there is a LOT more variety of pricing in Rio than in CTG, at least insofar as places are concerned that are easy to reach and relatively safe to reach for tourists. Especially on the low end of the range.
The cheapest rates I have found for SWs in Cartagena were COP 40,000, and I have only run into a few SWs, and not all good ones. In Rio, I know at least 8-10 places with tons of girls where I can bang perfectly acceptable girls for less than ten bucks. In Rio, I know several mid-range places where I can bag a great girl for USD 50, roughly, but in Cartagena?
LDV/Help: they are similar insofar as setup is concerned and the type of girls they attract: hardcore hookers looking for inexperienced tourists who are easy bait and ready to overpay, sometimes grossly. Help garotas will try to squeeze whatever they can out of you, just like LDV chicks will. For me, the problem is that there are not really any very good alternatives to LDV in Cartagena, while in Rio, there are tons. I constantly read things like "Help is ground zero for the Rio nightlife action". BS. To tell you the truth, I don't really see any reason any more to go to Help to pick up girls in Rio. None whatsoever. Unfortunately, skipping LDV in Cartagena leaves you with preciously little viable alternatives, IMHO, P4P-wise.
The few girls I have picked up in Help over the years did TLN for R$ 150, i.e. the equivalent of COP 150,000 at the current exchange rate. Not all Help girls will accept this rate, of course... just like not all LDV chicks will go TLN for COP 150,000. Personally, I think that pricing-wise, they are roughly (very roughly) the same: with the caveat, of course, that with Help attracting at least 5 times as many girls on any given night and up to 10 times as many during carnaval, there will be much more variety of pricing (and quality), too, of course.
My two cents for today,
EA
[QUOTE=El Austriaco]The few girls I have picked up in Help over the years did TLN for R$ 150, i.e. the equivalent of COP 150,000 at the current exchange rate. Not all Help girls will accept this rate, of course... just like not all LDV chicks will go TLN for COP 150,000. [/QUOTE]I think realistic prices are more like COP 150k for LDV and R$250 for Help these days. But I agree, I'm comparing very specific things and Rio offers much more variety and options. I'd still go to either place in a shot.
I just got back to CTG a little over a month ago after 4 months in the States. There apparently have been a lot of problems with the ATM(BBVA) near Yogen Fruz. [ATMs are not normally the highlight of local conversation.] I had dinner at the Hilton on Thanksgiving, and their ATM was out of service. But the food at the Hilton was pretty good.
I also use the ATM at Carulla, a grocery store that is open 24 hours. That machine give 400K per withdrawal. Davivienda gives 500K. The Bancolombia Group including Conavi gives 400K. Off hand I can think of 25 or so ATMs on the Bocagrande Penninsula that give 400K or more. Banco de Santander is the one that gives 200K.
dear all,
i cannot refrain from writing these short notes. i am just back to my room after a good day. my impression is different from the majority of reports i duly read before coming here. i can be here only for 2 days, unfortunately. i am trying to optimize my time here, choosing carefully where to spend my time.
i will be very brief.
1) ldv is nothing special. i suggest to avoid it! full of seasoned pros and mid-aged gringos. you may find a pearl here, but it is rare. if a girl is stunning, then she's used to wealthy gringos and then she will ask a lot of money. much better options all around.
2) day action is great. i am rather handsome and i look 35, maybe this helped. go to the beach, relax, drink a beer, hunt for (apparently) non-pros. avoid those who want to "help" you.
there are dozens of stunners on the beach. just be smart and approach those who smile at you. that's nothing original in this.
i just spent half a day with 3 very beautiful girls, looking almost ****, but all above 20yo. i payed drinks and a lunch for all four on the beach. we never talked about doing more, they apologized for me paying everything. so sweet! finally, i left with a dream of a life, for a hot 2 hours time at jaiva (see below). beautiful and sweet. what can i desire more?
price? voluntary! (i gave 170k, because she's sweet but not stupid and does need money for her life, otherwise she would not do this).
3) treat girls well! they are the sweetiest in the world. they deserve a gentleman, not a bad-manner, drunk, "cowboy".
if you are a gentleman, you'll be rewarded.
4) a 1-hour room? this is a good hint!
if you need a room, because your hotel is not chica friendly, i found something excellent: jaiva, at crespo. by taxi from bocagrande, it may cost 15k and 15 mins. listen: it cost 16k/hour, it is kind of luxury motel. yes, it is like that. they do not ask documents, total privacy.
very clean, well furnished, mirror, glass shower, etc.
how much did you pay for a room in el centro, in a crappy hotel? :-)
5) night action.
i would go for clubs in el centro. be careful: it may be dangerous walking in these streets at night. there is hungry people with knives around.
i went to giro matto. 20 outstanding girls for 7-8 guys, at 2.30am.
i was with a chica from ldv (the only apparently non-pro). girls even tried to approach me, while she went to the restroom.
in conclusion: cartagena is kind of pussy paradise. you cannot walk without falling in love every 5 minutes.
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[quote=black page]dear all,
i cannot refrain from writing these short notes. i am just back to my room after a good day. my impression is different from the majority of reports i duly read before coming here. i can be here only for 2 days, unfortunately. i am trying to optimize my time here, choosing carefully where to spend my time.
i will be very brief.
1) ldv is nothing special. i suggest to avoid it! full of seasoned pros and mid-aged gringos. you may find a pearl here, but it is rare. if a girl is stunning, then she's used to wealthy gringos and then she will ask a lot of money. much better options all around.
2) day action is great. i am rather handsome and i look 35, maybe this helped. go to the beach, relax, drink a beer, hunt for (apparently) non-pros. avoid those who want to "help" you.
there are dozens of stunners on the beach. just be smart and approach those who smile at you. that's nothing original in this.
i just spent half a day with 3 very beautiful girls, looking almost ****, but all above 20yo. i payed drinks and a lunch for all four on the beach. we never talked about doing more, they apologized for me paying everything. so sweet! finally, i left with a dream of a life, for a hot 2 hours time at jaiva (see below). beautiful and sweet. what can i desire more?
price? voluntary! (i gave 170k, because she's sweet but not stupid and does need money for her life, otherwise she would not do this).
3) treat girls well! they are the sweetiest in the world. they deserve a gentleman, not a bad-manner, drunk, "cowboy".
if you are a gentleman, you'll be rewarded.
4) a 1-hour room? this is a good hint!
if you need a room, because your hotel is not chica friendly, i found something excellent: jaiva, at crespo. by taxi from bocagrande, it may cost 15k and 15 mins. listen: it cost 16k/hour, it is kind of luxury motel. yes, it is like that. they do not ask documents, total privacy.
very clean, well furnished, mirror, glass shower, etc.
how much did you pay for a room in el centro, in a crappy hotel? :-)
5) night action.
i would go for clubs in el centro. be careful: it may be dangerous walking in these streets at night. there is hungry people with knives around.
i went to giro matto. 20 outstanding girls for 7-8 guys, at 2.30am.
i was with a chica from ldv (the only apparently non-pro). girls even tried to approach me, while she went to the restroom.
in conclusion: cartagena is kind of pussy paradise. you cannot walk without falling in love every 5 minutes.
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good looks. helps in every country.
a good colombian girl from a good family will never go to a short time hotel. 170k + 15k + 15k + drinks + food. over us $100 for short time = pro
you can get these beach girls, college students, "non pros ", etc 40.100k.
the only non pro in ldv. of course, she said so.
enjoy the vacation but also know things for what they really are.
gringo = $$.
Warning: Long report with a lot of non-mongering info.
Day 2:
We left the hotel at 9am for a 11:30am flight to Cartagena. The checkin was smooth and security fairly relaxed. We arrive way early thinking it'd take us a while to get checked in and through security. The flight was uneventful and we had the A Foreign Affair guys send a taxi to pick us up. It cost 25USD which was definitely above market rate. I would take a taxi myself next time and save a few bucks to tip the girls.
The driver took us to Caribe Real where the building manager had the key waiting for us. While "checking in" we met Carlos from Puerto Rico who was glad to help us out. After we examined our apartment, I was a bit disappointed at the quality. For 80 a night for 2 bedrooms, I considered it pretty cheap but the quality wasn't as good as I wanted. Also, one of the windows lacked curtains exposing the entire room to the hotel next door. After calling A Foreign Affair, they couldn't send someone until Monday. We decided to just put up bed sheets for now. This trip is starting to suck. It was hot and humid and apartment wasn't great and I just felt uncomfortable.
The whole city is based off tourist money. Stupid tourists that buy stupid shit and EVERYONE asked for a tip for anything. It was here I saw something I've never seen before: mobile phones. Basically a woman carried a cell phone around and you whistled or called her over and she'd dial for you and charge you 900 pesos to make the call. I'd later find out that right next door in a regular shop, you can make calls for 300 pesos. Waste of a good 40c :P.
In the afternoon, we walked around the neighborhood checking out Laguito. We then took a cab to Plaza Santo Domingo for some food. I felt this was a rip off and the food wasn't great for the price. Also people would come around hawking all sorts of shit again and again and again. How many times do I have to say no. I swear I keep seeing the same guys come back with different things and even the same guys come back with the same things!
After lunch we took some pictures and walked along the old city walls taking a bunch of pictures. It really wasn't that interesting, just a lot of walking. For dinner, we took the advice of the CTG list and went to the "best" restaurant in town called San Pedro Claver. To our surprise, it was full. We had to make a reservation for the next night. We ended up with some Italian fast food in Laquito.
After dinner we decided enough is enough. We're going to Pleyboy and hailed a cab. The driver drove us way out of town and when we arrived he asked if we wanted him to wait. We got a price quote of 15k for the trip to and back and the wait which IMO, was a pretty good price. We arrived at around 10:30.
We headed in and it's a strip joint with few men and lots of girls. We pick a seat right infront of the shower and order up some beers. After a couple of mins, we notice the driver come in and sat next to us. We bought him a beer and chatted up for a bit. I then see this hot chica that was dancing next to us and I call her over. She was a lot of fun and energetic. We danced a bit in the club grinding and bumping. She excused herself for a bit and after 5 mins I was wondering WTF did she go. Then the lights dimmed and a stripper came out and yup, it was Karen.
She was a great dancer and stripper with a tight body. IMO, one of the best in the club. Even before that I had made up my mind to pull her for the night. After she was done, we left pretty much immediately. I paid the 300k and about 38k or so for the drinks. At the bar waiting for her to get dressed, I bump into a Colombiano that worked in Europe but lived half of the time in Colombia. We chatted up a bit about various places to hit and he mentioned Peirrar (sp?) and said the town is filled with beautiful women. He also mentioned Cali but we weren't planning on it this trip and I also explained my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor Spanish probably wouldn't fly there. We now had to find a girl for Ivan.
The driver took us to Venus but the quality was very bad. It was also full of guys which initially look intimidating but the light was so dim it really didn't matter. We left after 1 round of drinks and a bad strip show.
We then went to Casa Marina and there were only 5-6 girls chilling outside and no one inside. We shook our heads and Ivan decided that he would not take a chica home tonight. I had an excellent night with Karen whom was both young (18 yrs old) and fun. She'd be one of my best sessions in Colombia.
Day 3:
Next morning Karen got up quite early and I joined her on the balcony overlooking the ocean at around 8:30am. I got a great private Spanish lesson and talked for the next 3 hrs or so. She's from Medellin and described a lot of the city to me. At around 12, she leaves to join her sister and we leave to Riquisimo for lunch. We chill for a while and then went to castillo de San Felipe for a quick stroll. Being the gringo freaks that we are, we were approached by a random couple to pose for pictures with his wife/gf.
After the castle, we returned to change and shower and off we go to San Pedro Claver. This is a pretty nice restaurant and the hostest is pretty cute too. We made reservations for the next night since it was pretty much the only restaurant we'd consider good enough to enjoy dinner. We'd later find a few more restaurants in the area that was pretty decent but did not have a chance to try out.
At around 9:30, I called the driver from last night, Ever, to pick us up again tonight. He arrives and off we go chica hunting again. We hit casa Rocio first which was in the outskirts of the city in an average neighborhood. A few guys were sitting out on the steps infront of the house and it definitely felt weird pulling up to a place like this. We enter and there were a couple of chicas sitting to the left in a small lounge area and many many more in the backyard. This is just like a normal house except it's a brothel. A bunch of guys were already at the tables drinking and celebrating someone's birthday. We pull up a few chairs and began to examine the row of 15 girls all sitting in lawn chairs perfectly lined up against the wall.
My friend decides on a cute 20 yr old girl with BIG natural boobs. The normal price is 80k pesos for the house fine for the night and 200k for the girl. He manages to negociate it down to 100k for the girl even though his spanish is limited to numbers and some basic words. Good job! We then hit casa Marina and again the same 4 girls. I leave disappointed to Manila house. There were 4 girls and I call one over that looked petite and young but turns out she was approaching late 20s and did not look as cute close up. Her name was Sandra, blonde, and 27 yrs old. I had to reject her hard. Sorry, it's just business and you just don't do it for me.
Off we go to Chica Linda. This is definitely a place I would not feel comfortable by myself. It has the very ghetto feeling to it and not a big crowd nor a lot cute of girls. There were a decent number of girls, just that they weren't cute. The strip show was crappy but the driver knew the owner or something. Anyway, we had a drink and leave.
So not giving up, we went back to Casa Rocio AGAIN and it turned out to be a bad idea. At this time, all the girls are tired and few were milling around. She tried to hook me up with her friend but her friend was just too much of a typical bronx latina and I just didn't feel like flying 3000 miles to fuck a bronx latina. No pull tonight. So I'm here now, alone, on my bed and completely lost my voice writing in my journal. I think I caught a cold from one of the girls (kissing is bad! Bad!) and just talking too much for the last few days. Need rest, hope to regain voice and strength tomorrow.
Day 4:
Spent most of the day sleeping and resting. Sunbathed a little bit hoping to tan my pale face and chest. We had lunch at Riquisimo again. The steak is just not that good. I'm hoping Medellin would be much better. I took another nap in the afternoon and did not go out until the thunderstorm had passed in the late afternoon. It flooded AGAIN. Everyone said on the first day we got here that the streets were flooded b/c of some once in 10 year type of event but that was total bullshit. It rained and all the streets flooded again closing down half of the streets and making it a nightmare to drive through town. It took us nearly an hour to get from Laquito to Paseo Castellana. By the time we got to the mall, it was almost time to leave. We strolled around for an hour quite disappointed before going back to San Pedro Claver for dinner again. We noticed something odd. A very cute girl was having dinner by herself. No, we didn't try anything but probably should've. We thought we might have been able to proposition her as well but decided to behave.
Anyway, we hook up with Ever again and did the regular route again. We needed some money exchanged so he takes us to "El Coche" in Laguito that is open 24 hrs. The gates were down but a guy in there took our money through the little hole and came back with pesos. I don't mind black market cambios since I hate giving out passport and thumb prints for a few hundred bucks. Anyway, this time he offered up some girls for us and we took a look. We actually went to the place and it was just some regular home with family photos and the whole thing was really weird. Since these girls don't work in the clubs, they supposedly don't have as many customers and were "cleaner" than the pros. I guess these were semi-pros. I didn't take anyone because the whole thing just felt weird. In retrospect, it was dangerous for us to even go to such a place in the middle of the night in colombia out in the middle of no where. This apartment complex was like the projects in the Bronx and yet we went anyway.
Anyhow, went we to Casa Marina and it disappointed us yet again. 4 girls! WTF! We then went to a place called "Inter" which is a block away from Pleyboy and the place sucked. Even though there were 8 girls or so and some looked doable, they were not under the light. I did a chica interview but had to reject her as she looked old and busted under the light. We left to pleyboy once again. Here I found Veronica. A hot girl from Medellin that was probably the best looking girl I fucked for the whole trip. 19 yrs old, morena, tight body, great face, and confident composure. She is definitely my type of girl. I pulled her out for 300k. My #2 in Cartagena and both were from Medellin. I found that the best looking girls came from Medellin anyway so I was psyched to go to Medellin as our last leg of the trip. She is a very quiet girl but was decent in bed. I didn't care if she didn't say much. Her body was fuckin great! She later tell sme she has a kid that'd 3 years and there is no way in hell I'm believing that. That is one hell of a mom if she was telling me the truth. Anyway, she left around 10 the next morning.
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Day 5:
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That was really the last of it though. We got a quick drink and back down we drove. We decided to ask him to take us to Paseo de Castellana which is a local mall. We walked around a bit and saw a few more cute girls than last night when we were here briefly. We wandered around, bought some shirts (which btw, is pretty cheap at only 25-30 dollars for dress shirts) before heading out to dinner. We asked him to recommend something for us. Something with seafood because we knew that Cartagena beef was not good and it was a coastal town so seafood was generally pretty good.
We ended up in a place that we would've never found by ourselves. It's a small restaurant with a lot of tables but we were the only ones there. After some excellent fish filet, bananas, and fish, we were ready to head out. The original plan was to head out by ourselves tonight. Ever seemed to only know his side of town and didn't feel too comfortable downtown. I don't know if he really felt it was unsafe or because he was unfamiliar with it or he did not make commission from these places. Anyhow, he called a few places and hunted down a few girls for us. We drive deep in the hood way outside of the city center in the middle of an apartment complex. It looked like the projects. There, a fat old lady with two girls were waiting. My friend gets off to get a better look. I stay in the car. After some negociations, My friend decides that he will take one of them. But wait, mamasita has another girl! So we drive around for the next 20 mins finding this girl. We literally drive up to her house and she comes out to meet us. I'm sorry, this is just too fuckin weird for me. I declined asap. So now we drop mamasita off and we head towards our old stomping grounds.
We hit pleyclub ASAP as I didn't want to bother with the other clubs. They all sucked anyway. I go in and I see Veronica from last night. Cute girl but we didn't really click. I notice quite a few other girls there and we were one of two tables. Then the lights dim and the stripper comes out again. Yup, it was Karen again. Man oh man, she's hot. She's one of the best stripper's I've seen and only 18 so her body is fuckin tight. After she is done, dressed, and out for a rest, I immediately grab her. I already made up my mind who to take for the night. It'd be Karen. I test her to see if I could get away with taking both her and veronica for a night of lotta fun. She doesn't like girls she says. This is a bad sign for threesome so I scratch the idea and leave with my bounty. She mentions that she does know Veronica b/c they both worked in Lejano Orientes in Medellin.
We head back to the apartment for some early fun. It couldn't have been later than 10:30 or 11 and we'd have these girls all night. We pay Ever and give him the bad news: we're leaving tomorrow. We don't flat out tell him we're not coming back. He will send his coworker to drive us to the airport tomorrow. We pay him about 140k pesos and said our goodbyes.
So of course in the course of our conversation with Ever, Karen finds out we're going to Medellin next. She is bouncing off the walls and starts telling me everything about Medellin. She being from Medellin and our encounter a few nights earlier, must've thought she influenced us to go to Medellin. I show her some photos of our trip today and we talk for a bit. I really enjoy just spending time with her and talking. We get down to business and she is better this time than the first!
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Apologies in advance for not consolidating everything into one post. I had typed it all up but then the copy/pasting to the forum caused some problems for me.
Anyway, my general thoughts on Cartagena is that the best looking girls for me were from Medellin anyway so might as well go right to the source. The beach doesn't compare to Rio or Cancun and the lack of infrastructure is a turn off for me.
I don't think there's any reason to worry that Cartagena would become too popular like Costa Rica and be ruined. Cartagena is not ready for prime time and IMO, won't for at least a few more years.
Personally for me, I didn't feel bad for not hitting LDV. I didn't think too much of Help at Rio anyway so I don't think it was a big lost. I did have a lot of fun in Cartagena but I don't think I will return. Even if I do, it'd only be for 1 or max of 2 nights only w/ friends that insist on seeing all of Colombia.
For the beach life, I'd go straight to Rio. I also like the setup in Rio much better with standard BBBJ and numerous Termas. And strangely enough, I felt safer in Rio than in Cartagena which is really odd since just a year ago I thought Rio was too dangerous to go.
All in all, had a great time in Cartagena and started to like it despite intially being turned off by it.
These are just my personal thoughts and I know different places work for different people. It's all about finding the right place for yourself. Rio suits me a little better than Cartagena.
[QUOTE=Mr Blue]Apologies in advance for not consolidating everything into one post. I had typed it all up but then the copy/pasting to the forum caused some problems for me.
Anyway, my general thoughts on Cartagena is that the best looking girls for me were from Medellin anyway so might as well go right to the source. The beach doesn't compare to Rio or Cancun and the lack of infrastructure is a turn off for me.
I don't think there's any reason to worry that Cartagena would become too popular like Costa Rica and be ruined. Cartagena is not ready for prime time and IMO, won't for at least a few more years.
Personally for me, I didn't feel bad for not hitting LDV. I didn't think too much of Help at Rio anyway so I don't think it was a big lost. I did have a lot of fun in Cartagena but I don't think I will return. Even if I do, it'd only be for 1 or max of 2 nights only w/ friends that insist on seeing all of Colombia.
For the beach life, I'd go straight to Rio. I also like the setup in Rio much better with standard BBBJ and numerous Termas. And strangely enough, I felt safer in Rio than in Cartagena which is really odd since just a year ago I thought Rio was too dangerous to go.
All in all, had a great time in Cartagena and started to like it despite intially being turned off by it.
These are just my personal thoughts and I know different places work for different people. It's all about finding the right place for yourself. Rio suits me a little better than Cartagena.[/QUOTE]The best thing about colombia is the local girls. If you do not speak spanish or are just there for a quick trip once a year you will probably not meet them.
They are not the girls that come on to you and go to short time hotels.
The guys that live there know a lot and can really help, but even they do not know everything that goes on. Its a big country with large cities y campos. Trust your instinct. Take what you need then make your own decisions.
Do not believe everything you read. Guys bs as much as pros, semi-pros,non-pros bs.
CTG pros. To much work to get a good return. CTG locals..much much better return. I thought cali was much better but my balls are not big enough to live there. I only went with someone i knew lived there
Mr Blue. Good report. No BS. No crap about being in a hooker bar and having hookers and non-pros wanting to be with you because your so cute and cool and good looking. GRINGO = $$. You can change the price and service but the bottom line is always the same. Thank goodness its a mans world.
Enough of my BS. This site wants pics + prices. No mas hasta yo tengo.
Sorry, I feel the need to add some more words.
I thinkj I've been misunderstood.
Gringo = $$.[QUOTE]>A good colombian girl from a good family will NEVER go to a short time hotel. >170K + 15K + 15k + drinks + food. Over US $100 for short time = PRO
>The only NON PRO in LDV. Of course, she said so.
Gringo = $$.[/QUOTE]Did I say she was NON PRO?
I said "Apparently non pro"!
I meant that she's exactly the kind of girl I like to meet. Not sleazy, cute, educated, not hunting for men in the bar.
Actually, she's the sister of a well seasoned pro working in LDV for a long time. She joined her for need of money. What a difference!
Gringo = $$.[QUOTE]Enjoy the vacation but also know things for what they really are.
Gringo = $$.[/QUOTE]Thank you.
I am well seasoned monger. I know things a bit.
In summary, the sake of my report:
- avoid LDV
- go to the beach at dady time
- try Jaiva.
Best regards to all!
"It flooded AGAIN. Everyone said on the first day we got here that the streets were flooded b/c of some once in 10 year type of event but that was total bullshit."
This was not bullshit. There was a storm out in the Caribbean that raised the level of the sea and churned up some very big waves. In the 4 years I have lived here, I had never seen the sea this high or angry.
Your observations here are just as skewed as the rest of your report reads, but thanks for sharing your opinions.
This place is not for everyone.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]"It flooded AGAIN. Everyone said on the first day we got here that the streets were flooded b/c of some once in 10 year type of event but that was total bullshit."
This was not bullshit. There was a storm out in the Caribbean that raised the level of the sea and churned up some very big waves. In the 4 years I have lived here, I had never seen the sea this high or angry.
Your observations here are just as skewed as the rest of your report reads, but thanks for sharing your opinions.
This place is not for everyone.[/QUOTE]I was there and actually met Tom33. The waves were huge and caused a lot of chaos. It was nothing like the minor street flooding I saw in July after a big rainstorm which went away pretty quick.
Phoenix
A couple of recent posts seem to disparage the prepago. I am here to tell you that the hard-core ***** is far from the norm in CTG. Many of the girls I bang have been in the business for a long time. The vast majority of them are sweethearts. I cannot blame them for trying to get what they can for their services.
Of course I treat them all well and with respect. And I do not over pay-generally 60k for ST.
And not all non-pros are sweet. Life is hard here, and it is cheap. You have to do what you have to do to get by.
[QUOTE=Phoenix Phx]I was there and actually met Tom33. The waves were huge and caused a lot of chaos. It was nothing like the minor street flooding I saw in July after a big rainstorm which went away pretty quick.
Phoenix[/QUOTE]
Wazzup my Brother?? The ocean was washing up logs the size of telephone poles and huge rocks were blocking the streets...BUT WE STILL MONGERED ON! Can you believe some gringo married Angie?We lost a good one!
[QUOTE=Mule69]Wazzup my Brother?? The ocean was washing up logs the size of telephone poles and huge rocks were blocking the streets...BUT WE STILL MONGERED ON! Can you believe some gringo married Angie?We lost a good one![/QUOTE]I met a little Angie back in April at LDV but haven't seen her since. Hot little 18 yo spinner who was awesome. I hope it's not the same one. Does that sound right Mule69?
[QUOTE=Mule69]Wazzup my Brother?? The ocean was washing up logs the size of telephone poles and huge rocks were blocking the streets...BUT WE STILL MONGERED ON! Can you believe some gringo married Angie?We lost a good one![/QUOTE]Yes my monger brother the loss of Angie is very sad. Lucky for me I found some nice replacements and even a good one at the casa you mentioned. I will be back in February.
Is this the Angie from LDV, blond from Bucaramonga that got married? My god I wonder if that is the case, if the gringo knew how many nuts Angie had cracked in her storied career? She has seen more cock, than all of the stadium urinals combined at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. She was good in the sack though....
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Is this the Angie from LDV, blond from Bucaramonga that got married? My god I wonder if that is the case, if the gringo knew how many nuts Angie had cracked in her storied career? She has seen more cock, than all of the stadium urinals combined at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. She was good in the sack though....[/QUOTE]
She was a fixture in LDV although she told me she was from Bogota.Yes she was a blonde spinner with a smoking body who was all time in the cama.I never saw her in LDV in November so I asked a local and he said "Angie marry gringo" ....guess he was hypnotized by her charms!!!!
If this is the cute blond, slim legs, who smokes, and worked at LDV all the time,
I received a call from ******* the husband of Angie about a month ago asking me about annulment/divorce. He moved back to the US and told me it was over. Definitely.
I do not want to speak for him, but I would expect that she would be back at work again at the LDV.
[QUOTE=Mule69]She was a fixture in LDV although she told me she was from Bogota.Yes she was a blonde spinner with a smoking body who was all time in the cama.I never saw her in LDV in November so I asked a local and he said "Angie marry gringo" ....guess he was hypnotized by her charms![/QUOTE]When you going to visit again brother?
[QUOTE=Phoenix Phx]When you going to visit again brother?[/QUOTE]
Looks like April.It will be laid back compared to November.You gonna make it?
What is Cartegena like during Jan/ Feb. Would this be considered the low season.
[QUOTE=Raw13]What is Cartegena like during Jan/ Feb. Would this be considered the low season.[/QUOTE]If you go back a bit on this thread, Tom 33, a resident there, says that Jan is a high tourist season for the Colombianos, Feb and March are quieter. I'll find out, having booked time in early Feb.
[QUOTE=Mule69]Looks like April.It will be laid back compared to November.You gonna make it?[/QUOTE]I may go in end of April or early May. I am going to see how the trip in February goes.
I returned from Cartagena a few days ago, it is kind of a lull before the Christmas and New Years high season.
I did find time to make a few trips to Centro, and had a nice dinner at Fusion. It is moderately priced and is located somewhat near Cafe Del Mar. This is a great spot to bring a speacial date.
The Loco Gringo Restaurant in Laguito has undergone recent employee changes. The service is spectacular and has become a great addition to the Bocagrande / Laguito places to hang out and catch up with friends.
Juan Valdez coffee (Colombian version of Starbucks) opened one week ago in Bocagrande. It is on the corner of San Martin and calle 7 in Bocagrande (this is the main street in Bocagrande).
It has a large patio facing the main street in Bocagrande, so it is a prime spot to watch the scenery. This is also a great place to take a new friend or meet new ones.
Can you be more specific about these "reports"?
The consensus for the last few years, from dozens of reports, and my own personal experience, is that Mery is 100% trustworthy and will bend over backwards to insure you are happy.
If this is your first trip to Cartagena, Mery should be the least of your worries.
I have received several confirmations that the rumors I heard about Mery are true. She has already lost the majority of her apartments after getting caught stealing by some of the owners. The word right now is the other owners are all looking for a new property manager so very shortly Mery will no longer be renting any apartments in Cartagena.
I canceled my reservation with her since there is no certainty she will be able to provide me with an apartment when I get there. Juan Venturra is the person I am using now and he seems like a very likable guy. He has already taken over one of Mery's former apartments, and there is another guy named Micheal who will be taken over about a dozen of Mery's apartments.
There are also other reports coming out from clients who felt Mery was not completely honest with them. They are saying that they did not want to say anything before since everyone spoke so highly about Mery. Now that the shit has hit the fan there seems to be no end to the reports coming out.
It seems a lot of the people who wrote these gushing reports about how great Mery is were simply owners trying to promote their own properties. However, it is the owners themselves who are now coming forward to tell people that Mery is no longer representing them.
How fast things can change!
[QUOTE=TheShadow2]Can you be more specific about these "reports"?
The consensus for the last few years, from dozens of reports, and my own personal experience, is that Mery is 100% trustworthy and will bend over backwards to insure you are happy.
If this is your first trip to Cartagena, Mery should be the least of your worries.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jeff998]I have received several confirmations that the rumors I heard about Mery are true.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, right.
How lame.
What kind of person joins the board yesterday and immediately starts posting this kind of sh*t?
I will continue to believe regular posters who are known by people I know. I do not know Mery personally, but if she has a solid reputation, she has it for a good reason. I think it's obvious what your game is.
[QUOTE]Jeff999
Regular Member
Join Date: 12-17-06
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Jeff998
Regular Member
Join Date: 12-18-06
Total Posts: 2 (2 posts per day)
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Just because I have not been a member here for long does not mean I have not been to Cartagena and does not mean I am not a member of other boards.
The fact is I came here to look for some other opinions since almost everyone is talking about Mery getting caught stealing. I had an apartment booked and now I find out she is no longer the manager of it.
All you need to do is look at Mery's webpage and you will see she only has a couple of apartments left.
One of the apartment owners has came forward and said she was fired for stealing.
On another board there are several people coming forward talking about problems with her.
You admit you do not know Mery yet post this lame response?
From what everyone is saying Mery will no longer be renting any apartments soon. You should find out what is going on before making posts like this.
[QUOTE=Cachorro]Yeah, right.
How lame.
What kind of person joins the board yesterday and immediately starts posting this kind of sh*t?
I will continue to believe regular posters who are known by people I know. I do not know Mery personally, but if she has a solid reputation, she has it for a good reason. I think it's obvious what your game is.[/QUOTE]
LOL!!!LOL!! Good call about "Jeff998"
Mery manages a number of very nice apartments in Cartagena. I've rented six seperate apartments from her over the past year; I've been able to rent from her on very short notice on three of those occasions. She's been flexible on a couple of personal requests I've had as well.
I've rented places from her in Sol de Caribe, Torre Centauro, Playa Mar and Marina del Rey. I was very happy with 4 of the 5 places, the fifth spot was not the best, but the price was low and she did not represent that place as anything other than what it was.
I believe the rumors you are hearing are just that. However, you may be able find other people in Cartagena who manage apartments to your satisfaction. Last month, Mery recommended I contact Juan Venturra when she was not able to help me, so as far as I can tell, he is a reliable person as well.
Jelly Donut
Oh yes, LOL LOL LOL!
Call Mery and ask what apartments are available. She has already lost almost all of them. Seems I am right.
[QUOTE=Free Sex]LOL!!!LOL!! Good call about "Jeff998"[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Tom33 knows more about this than anybody but there are several people who are saying this. I have used her and she treated me fine but there are a few people claiming this. Tom what's up?
[QUOTE=Jeff999]I have been hearing some reports that Merry got caught stealing from some people. I do not know if this is true. Does anyone know? I have a reservation with her in February and am a little concerned.[/QUOTE]
I have used Mery on many occasions and never had any problems. She was always more helpful. On one occasion I overpaid and upon realizing that I had NO issue getting the overpayment back from her. My experiences with her have been positive, I have no negatives to report.
Jeff999, you have some personal axe to grind against Mery or are you just a mark for Juan Ventura ? Bring forth these so called reports you claim to have.
[QUOTE=Jeff998]It seems a lot of the people who wrote these gushing reports about how great Mery is were simply owners trying to promote their own properties.[/QUOTE]BTW, I am one of the members who wrote "gushing" about how well Mery treated me. I certainly am not an owner trying to rent an apartment, just a monger who appreciated her service.
How the hell can the "Jeffs" say that they know who posts here, anyway? Does he have access to our IP addresses so he can look up our true identities?
When he claims to know who writes what here, he is full of shit.
DB
[QUOTE=Beavis]Perhaps Tom33 knows more about this than anybody but there are several people who are saying this. I have used her and she treated me fine but there are a few people claiming this. Tom what's up?[/QUOTE]If they are saying this, it is not on this board. Nor were there any negative reports on the other Sex Guide that I occasionally check.
I just skimmed back six pages and 89 reports, back through October 28, and unless I missed something, no one except the Jeff boys have complained about Mery on this thread.
I also went through four pages and 59 reports on the "Cartagena Lists" thread, back to June 25. One of the Jeffs, Jeff997 trashed her (does he aways have to sign up with a different name to get back on?). Other than that, in one post NPaul1 questioned if she was paying the landlords in full.
No monger ever complained about her in all those reports.
[QUOTE=Jeff997]All you need to do is look at Mery's webpage and you will see she only has a couple of apartments left.[/QUOTE]I also check her out her site. She has four apartments listed. It seems to me in the past there were more, but I really don't recall.
I guess if all of the units disappear, we'll know that the owners took their business elsewhere.
But, at least during the time that I reviewed, I did not see a single report from mongers complaining about her service.
DB
If Mery loses her rental places who profits ?????????
According to the Jeffs :-) "there is another guy named Micheal who will be taken over about a dozen of Mery's apartments."
Treeshark scratches his head with his fin and wonders wtf is going on.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]If they are saying this, it is not on this board. Nor were there any negative reports on the other Sex Guide that I occasionally check.
I just skimmed back six pages and 89 reports, back through October 28, and unless I missed something, no one except the Jeff boys have complained about Mery on this thread.
I also went through four pages and 59 reports on the "Cartagena Lists" thread, back to June 25. One of the Jeffs, Jeff997 trashed her (does he aways have to sign up with a different name to get back on?). Other than that, in one post NPaul1 questioned if she was paying the landlords in full.
No monger ever complained about her in all those reports.
I also check her out her site. She has four apartments listed. It seems to me in the past there were more, but I really don't recall.
I guess if all of the units disappear, we'll know that the owners took their business elsewhere.
But, at least during the time that I reviewed, I did not see a single report from mongers complaining about her service.
DB[/QUOTE]
A few very well known guys are saying this. I do not know, it has zero effect on me, all I was doing was saying that this has been said by some very reputable people that have been going there for many years. We need to wait for some input from somebody who knows like Tom33 but it is not just a rumor started by a newbie.
I am in MDE looking for an apartment to buy. I won´t be reading this site regularly until Jan. 21 or so.
Mery has lost the management of many apartments. However, I do not want to get into any whys or wherefores. I live in Laguito. Mery still owns one apartment in Laguito. You should have no problem renting that from her. I would have no qualms about renting from her. She is a very nice lady.
You guys are funny. None of you have any facts about Mery so you just insult me instead of discussing what I am saying. Obviously none of you are lawyers.
As I said right from the start, Mery has lost almost all of her apartments because she was caught stealing. This fact has now been confirmed by several members of this and other forums. You can all say I am not credible but the fact remains the other long term members are now saying exactly what I said from the beginning. It looks like I was right.
I am posting this information for a reason which is to benefit the users of this forum. I had reservations with one of Mery's apartments that got cancelled once she lost it. I only heard about Mery losing the apartment from another post. I then inquired to find out if it was true. It turns out that Mery did in fact lose the apartment but DID NOT tell me. So, had I showed up in February I would have been screwed! I am not happy about this. She should have emailed me to let me know she was out of business. Everyone else in this forum can benefit from knowing this information since they too might have a booking that is no longer valid.
Some people on here are saying what a wonderful lady she is. If you had a great experience in the past the congadulations. I personally would not stay anywhere that is being managed by someone accused of stealing. I am sure the apartment owners know her much better than any of the ass-kissing posters do. If the owners do not trust her then neither will I.
The reason no one complains about her service is because they will get attacked by everyone like what is happening to me right now. However, I believe to listen to the facts and not to insult other people.
I have been learning a lot about this whole apartment scam and feel I should expose it for what it is.
Yes, there are four apartments listed still on Mery's site that are owned by 3 different owners. The other 15 are already gone. However, Mery does not own the web site. The web site is owned by one of the owner of the apartment they call PM703. When you send an email to the site it is not answered by Mery but directly by one of the owners. I suspect that they are looking for a new manager right now but do not want to announce to the whole world that the person they entrusted their apartments to was a thief. The bottom line is Mery is out of business with the gringo owners.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]I also check her out her site. She has four apartments listed. It seems to me in the past there were more, but I really don't recall.
I guess if all of the units disappear, we'll know that the owners took their business elsewhere.
But, at least during the time that I reviewed, I did not see a single report from mongers complaining about her service.
DB[/QUOTE]
Okay, I'm sure that the Senior members will probably also point out my low post count but I'm offering up this recent experience with no partiality. I'm going to Cartagena tomorrow and I contacted both Mery and Juan. It took Mery 4 days to get back to me and then when I responded, I still haven't heard back from her in over a week. Juan has gotten back to me the same day everytime I responded and even when one of my emails that I tried to send didn't seem to go through to him, he sent another email to confirm giving me instructions on address location how much to expect to pay from the airport.
I will post a follow up report to give you the final outcome when I arrive and have gone through the whole process but this is what I've experienced from both. Just the facts. I don't know either one and don't have any previous bias as this is my first trip to Cartagena.
Anyway, Mery seemed to always have a great rep and I'm not sure what's going on these days but I don't deal with the past, I deal with the here and now so for now, Juan is geting my business and if I come back and it looks like Mery has improved her communications and business situation, she will be contacted.
[QUOTE=Jeff997]You guys are funny. None of you have any facts about Mery so you just insult me instead of discussing what I am saying. Obviously none of you are lawyers.
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My impression is that Mery is successful in renting apartments in Cartagena, (I've rented three different places from her in the past month) and you would like to redirect her business to Juan Venturra. That is the underlying message you make.
You are attacking her character to move your message. As you know, in the United States we sometimes call that a 'cheap shot'. Personally, I am not insulted by the use of this kind of thing and, since it is often effective, I would not insult you for trying it on forum members.
Still, it doesn't add up to a serious argument. If you can break down for me how much money I will save by renting apartments from someone other than Mery I'd be interested in hearing about it. That would be a useful fact and part of a reasonable argument.
Again, another person tries to twist what I am saying instead of looking at the facts. I think I mentioned Juan perhaps once? Was it even in this thread? Obviously if Mery is not renting apartments anymore the customers are all going to go to Juan. I did not make it that way. He is the only other guy who has been renting gringo apartments in Laguito over the years.
I was not the person who made Mery steal the money. That was her own doing and now she must face the consequences. My own axe to grind is I did not like the fact she was not planing on telling me or anyone else that our reservations were canceled. She was planning on leaving us on the street.
One of the owners who caught her stealing posted on another board that he gave her an email to send to all the people who had reservations saying that they should contact the new property manager. Mery did not send out this letter to anyone. I do not care what personal problem Mery has with this owner, but she should have respected her customers and informed us that our reservations were canceled. That would have been the honorable thing to do. I guess though when you are a thief you have little honor?
How much money will you save? Well, that might all depend on how much money you leave laying around for her to steal. But the fact remains that in a short while you will have no choice but to rent from someone else. Mery is out of business.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]My impression is that Mery is successful in renting apartments in Cartagena, (I've rented three different places from her in the past month) and you would like to redirect her business to Juan Venturra. That is the underlying message you make.
You are attacking her character to move your message. As you know, in the United States we sometimes call that a 'cheap shot'. Personally, I am not insulted by the use of this kind of thing and, since it is often effective, I would not insult you for trying it on forum members.
Still, it doesn't add up to a serious argument. If you can break down for me how much money I will save by renting apartments from someone other than Mery I'd be interested in hearing about it. That would be a useful fact and part of a reasonable argument.[/QUOTE]
Actually Jeff, there are a few others besides Juan. But I will agree with you, I also rented from Juan and from Mery. I also did not have any problems with Juan. The only drawback with Juan, was that he changes rates during seasons, eg: he gets top dollar during Miss Colombia etc, which is basic supply and demand, and I have no beef at all, where as Mery always charged me the same rate, regardless of season. Mery's rates were just about identical to Juan's regular rates, but Juan has Marinare # 802, which is one the best units. I do like # 703 in playa mar, which I believe at this time, until verified is still being rented by Mery.
Again Jeff, you are right there was an incident between Mery and ******, whom had several units that Mery was managing for him. Tom 33, has the best answer to all of this backing and fourthing. It is done with, and leave Mery alone, it is what it is and business relationships are like Virgins and Roses, They last while they last.................
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Let's end this thread.....[/QUOTE]
Good point. Of course, the thing about apartments is that it's probably harder to find an one in Cartagena over the next three weeks than a woman or a rose.
I find it amazing and amusing that no one is really giving out any facts about what is going on with Mery. The only real fact I have seen posted is that she has lost many of the units that she was managing.
I will speculate a bit. Lets pretend I am a gringo who bought an apartment unit in Cartagena. I will use it for 4 weeks a year and rent it out for the other 48 weeks. I have Mery manage it for me. A year passes and I find that Mery has only managed to rent it out for 20 weeks. Since the unit that I bought is the best in Cartagena, I decide that something is wrong. I know what is going on!!!!! Mery is renting out my unit and keeping all the money. She is telling me that it is empty. She is stealing my rental money..
Well maybe.
Or maybe the demand for rental units is a lot less then the supply of units most of the time.
Now the Jeffs :-) sound like an owner of units that Mery was managing. At least to me. Years ago my family had a beach house in NC that we rented out for a summer with a realtor. The people in the house next door were personal friends. The realtor rented out the place a few times, told us that it had not been rented and kept the money. I know that I was mad as hell about that.
I know someone that owns units that Mery managed for him. So sometime I will ask him what is going on. But sometimes it is just fun to guess what is going on and then find out later how good your guesses really were
The facts are this:
1) She has lost almost all of her apartments from more than one owner.
2) The reason she lost them is she was caught stealing more than once.
3) Other people are now coming forward saying they had bad experiences with her.
4) I personally can say that she did not tell me that she lost the apartments so I would have been left stranded when I showed up in Cartagena.
5) One of the owners has posted that he provided Mery with a letter to send to people who had reservations informing them to contact the new property manager. Mery did not send out this letter which shows that she does not give a shit about the well being of the clients.
There are several facts and even more information is coming out each day.
These posts by Treeshark are pretty clueless. As I read them I am starting to wonder about the intelligence of the people here. Mery has been caught red handed stealing. She is losing all her apartments over this. These are undeniable facts. Yet, Treeshark likes to post imaginary posts defending her. I find the absence of logic here incredible.
Here is my little "guess". I guess that in about a week Mery will have to come forward and admit she has no more apartments. When that happens the people on here arguing will post comments like "well lets not talk about this anymore" instead of admitting how wrong they were.
Mery has one owner who I will call Mr. B who will continue to defend her to his grave. Mr. B will be the one single owner who still allows her to rent his apartment. However, he has publicly posted that his apartment is for sale so perhaps he is trying to get out of this situation as well. Some of the clueless people on here will say "hey she must be honest since she is still renting Mr. B's apartment"! However, every other apartment owner will have dumped her by next week.
I will also "guess" that there will be many new reports coming out by people who got robbed by Mery but did not want to say anything since bootlickers like Treeshark love to defend thieves using twisted logic and unrelated stories that have nothing to do with the evidence at hand.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]I find it amazing and amusing that no one is really giving out any facts about what is going on with Mery. The only real fact I have seen posted is that she has lost many of the units that she was managing.
I will speculate a bit. Lets pretend I am a gringo who bought an apartment unit in Cartagena. I will use it for 4 weeks a year and rent it out for the other 48 weeks. I have Mery manage it for me. A year passes and I find that Mery has only managed to rent it out for 20 weeks. Since the unit that I bought is the best in Cartagena, I decide that something is wrong. I know what is going on!!!!! Mery is renting out my unit and keeping all the money. She is telling me that it is empty. She is stealing my rental money..
Well maybe.
Or maybe the demand for rental units is a lot less then the supply of units most of the time.
Now the Jeffs :-) sound like an owner of units that Mery was managing. At least to me. Years ago my family had a beach house in NC that we rented out for a summer with a realtor. The people in the house next door were personal friends. The realtor rented out the place a few times, told us that it had not been rented and kept the money. I know that I was mad as hell about that.
I know someone that owns units that Mery managed for him. So sometime I will ask him what is going on. But sometimes it is just fun to guess what is going on and then find out later how good your guesses really were[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mule69]She was a fixture in LDV although she told me she was from Bogota.Yes she was a blonde spinner with a smoking body who was all time in the cama.I never saw her in LDV in November so I asked a local and he said "Angie marry gringo" ....guess he was hypnotized by her charms![/QUOTE]A friend told me I should check this forum out because he thinks you guys are talking about my new girlfriend. Which I did happen to meet at LDV in Aug., she is blond, has a tattoo of tweedy on her leg and yes she has a beautiful body. She says the other gringo was a bad person and had her working in the disco. I am taking care of her and her family money needs and I am thinking about about marrying her. She is the most wonderful lady I have ever met.
Please try to get your facts straight before you post things that are unsubstantiated. You speculate as to what might happen when you show up this coming February and also state many things as fact that simply are untrue.
I have two apartments that Mery rents for me and I will soon be updating the website with all new apartments that she will have available, including 4 units in the new Mirador del Laguito building. Two of these units are completed and furnished for rental, the other two are in the final stages and will be available soon.
My name is Dogman and I endorse this message. (that is a joke)
Jejejejejejejejejeje
"Yet, Treeshark likes to post imaginary posts defending her"
Treeshark scratches his head with his fin and wonders how the jeffie boys managed to read his imaginary post???? Perhaps if you snort imaginary Colombian joy powder, you can read imaginary posts???
Oh well, to this humble old Treeshark a fact is whatever Tom33 says. And Tom33 said "Mery has lost the management of many apartments. However, I do not want to get into any whys or wherefores. I live in Laguito. Mery still owns one apartment in Laguito. You should have no problem renting that from her. I would have no qualms about renting from her. She is a very nice lady."
The old Treeshark trusts Tom33.
Now the jeffie boys CLAIM that Mery has been stealing but gives no details. Stealing what???? Condoms??? Chicas??? Camas??? Skimming rent money??
LETS HEAR SOME FUCKING DETAILS.
My logic is pretty simple. I will believe whatever Tom33 says.
But the old Treeshark wonders why the jeffie boys are on this crusade against Mery. The jeffie boys claim that it because they would have been left stranded when they showed up in Cartagena. And wanted to warn others. As those who have been in Cartagena in Feb know, finding an apartment in Feb is about as hard as finding a hooker in LDV.
And I have never rented from Mery and have only met the lady twice.
Dogman, if your units in the new Mirador del Laguito building have hot water then maybe I will rent one next time I am down there.
My name is Treeshark and I endorse this message.
Treeshark, I can answer many questions regarding Mery, but first:
I was on this website briefly 3 years or so ago and couldn’t file my posts, I managed to post a few posts but the rest wouldn’t upload to the site so I left, I would prefer to use my normal handle, Hunter, but I am using True Hunter instead.
I could be a fake, if you don’t have my e-mail, Treeshark the last time we met was earlier in the year at Mangos in Medellin, and I was sat by the main dancing platform when Aussie Greg brought you over. I am also meeting Tom 33 this Saturday night for a night out in Medellin.
Onto Mery, I found a lot of lies with regards to Mery over the last 6 months, mostly over the last 6 weeks, a few weeks ago I started looking into things more deeply and un-covered a lot of things.
I informed a number of the other owners, as of 1.5 weeks go, some have left, some are leaving, at least two say they are sticking with Mery for now, Mr B. and Dogman2 are the ones sticking with her, I have not been in contact with people regards this issue for 1.5 weeks, so I don’t know the present situation of all the owners.
I was asked by some of the owners to try and sort the problem out with her, to me that is impossible as I don´make deals with theifs, also not to post anything on the web etc., I told them that I wouldn’t start any threads, which I haven’t, but would reply to any where this came up. BUT if I see people defending Mery I will post each and every time, quite simply I am out to destroy her and will be doing whatever is necessary, I have no time for people like her, some may say that this is because I want her clients, but if this was the case why would I switch to two new managers who have a few clients and leave one who has a large client base. In my opinion there are more than enough people going to Cartagena that rent apartments for quite a few rental managers.
I have not heard about Mery directly stealing from client, my investigation didn’t go down that route, only heard about that on the web, how true this is I have no idea, but if she stole money from me and other owners, why not from the renters.
As to the fraud, there are a number; I will go over them if people wish. Proof is plenty full from the cleaner, to the doorman, Merys hand written accounts, to the building registration books, to people who have stayed at the apts, etc. whenever I am in Ctg, I will quite happily show the information regarding PROOF on the fraud to anybody seriously interested, I am rarely 100% sure of anything in life, but I am 100% sure Mery is a thief and a lier. On the net I can only go over it.
Now that I have been banned from another website, I will post here with regards to Colombian information as I do elsewhere, hopefully on issues more related to this website.
Hunter
Well;
Upon reviewing Dogman2's posting, treeshark's takes and Tom 33's posting, I have a clearer picture.
Again no one knows all of the facts, between Mery and H*****, except the involved parties. But hey maybe the scandal is as bad as the UN food for Oil program....
Well Mery must be Guilty as charged, according to the psuedo- EU World Court, maybe should be handcuffed and flown to Brussels and put in jail, before any trail occurs,kind of like Milosovic was, oh better yet maybe since Koffe Annun has nothing to do now, he can be flown to Cartagena and mediate the whole situation, maybe bring up a resolution before the UN security Council, but wait the United States and Great britian will veto any resolution. It wouldn't work, Koffe would steal ALL of the money from ALL of the aprtment owners
Now that Jeff997,998 or jeff 3 pie squared has been exposed by Dogman2 and Treeshark maybe it is time to shut his pie hole, for if Mery was a thief, I seriously think that Tom33, Treeshark and especially Dogman2 would come to her defense. Jeff9997,998 and pie squared, also mentions Bruce in his posts, perhaps he also has an axe to grind with Bruce?
Well now that Jeff997-998 pie squared has indicated that he will be in Cartagena in Feb, lets all hope he has a great time, maybe he can hang out at LDV with the Italians. Also Jeff997,998, Mery does not like smoking in her units, smoking contributes to Global Warming
what a crock of shit this all is.......
I am MJGDogs , and I along with Tom Tancredo, approve of this message.....
Well, it is a fact that I rented two different apartments from Mery this month. I'm currently planning on renting another apartment from her in January. So, she is in business and rents at least three apartments - one Marina del Rey, one in Playa Mar and one in Torre Centauro.
My name is not Jelly Donut, but I do shamelessly endorse this message
I tried sending you a PM, can you send me a PM with the cost or renting your place. I'll be there Dec 29 to Jan 8. Are they one or 2 bedroom? Thanks
[QUOTE=Dogman2]Please try to get your facts straight before you post things that are unsubstantiated. You speculate as to what might happen when you show up this coming February and also state many things as fact that simply are untrue.
I have two apartments that Mery rents for me and I will soon be updating the website with all new apartments that she will have available, including 4 units in the new Mirador del Laguito building. Two of these units are completed and furnished for rental, the other two are in the final stages and will be available soon.
My name is Dogman and I endorse this message. (that is a joke)[/QUOTE]
I've rented from Mery at least 10 times over the past several years. From a renter's perspective, I have never had any problems with her. She has always treated me very well and gone out of her way to help me and in terms of customer service gets a 10. She quotes me a price, and I agree to it or tell her it is too high. If I think the price is in line with the market, then I rent from her. I have no idea what her arrangement is with the owner and that's not my business. I do think that she, like many people in her culture, will try to make an extra $$ where she can. She used to get me Miss Colombia tickets in advance at cost for the bathing suit competition. Now, she is trying to scalp them to me since she saw an opportunity. So, I don't buy them from her and try to get the best price I can. She tells me she had to pay a higher than face to get them. I cannot verify if this is the truth or not, so I will not judge her as I know what the situation is as far as making an extra peso when the opportunity exists. If I don't like her price, I go elsewhere, plain and simple. Until I see an actual owner post a bad experience here, then this bs is just unsubstantiated rumor.
[quote=chido]i tried sending you a pm, can you send me a pm with the cost or renting your place. i'll be there dec 29 to jan 8. are they one or 2 bedroom? thanks[/quote]chido - i am unable to send a pm, please excuse this post as self promotion of my property, but it is in response to a direct question.
mery has the info on pricing and availability, one of my units is a 2 bedroom in torre centauro, the other is a a bedroom in mirador del laguito. both have airconditioning, hot water, and high speed internet at 256k.
i will post a link to (colombiarental.com) a site i have set up for her apartments, this will be posted in the classified section of the colombia forum. keep in mind that i am updating that site as soon as the new photos can be implemented.
There are only 3 people that I trust in Colombia.
Hunter is one of them.
In other words mate, she was renting out the units when she claimed that they were empty and keeping the money. The same thing that happened to my family years ago when we rented our beach house. And I was pissed as hell about it at the time too.
I kinda thought that was what was going on.
To err is human, to forgive is divine. Try to think of those kind of thoughts, but do what you gotta do.
I got into a fight with the chica that night i saw you. The first fight that we had in 2 years. So I am still single.
Now to be crystal clear for everyone.
I believe anything that Hunter says and I accept it as truth.
My name is Tiburon and I endorse this message.
Treeshark, yes that was one of things she was doing, there is a great deal more besides.
Yes you told me on tyhe PM at PBH that you had ditched your future wife, I didn´t want to bring it up.
A funny thing just happened, I posted your name on the previouse post and Tom33, I then went out to Envigado, in Exito who should I bump into but Tom33, I hardly ever see a foreigner, let alone bump into one who I know and just posted his name on here, its a small world.
Hunter
Now we can all see why Dogman is defending Mery! It turns out he is one of the few owners that still trusts her! Obviously we cannot trust his opinion on this matter since he is profiting from her.
Hunter has now come forward on this forum to expose Mery as the thief she is.
All I can say is "I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT!!!"
All you people who did not want to believe me look pretty stupid right now, don't you? The truth has come out like I said it would. Seems the people arguing with me were making money from Mery, and now one of the owners is explaining in public that Mery was stealing.
I feel like patting myself on the back for being so damn right!
As I said from the beginning, Mery was stealing from clients and for this she is out of business. Anyone who would do business from an established thief is not helping us renters. We must all beware of Mery and Dogman!
Are you the owner of that place way off in Bocogrande that no one wants to rent?
[QUOTE=Dogman2]Please try to get your facts straight before you post things that are unsubstantiated. You speculate as to what might happen when you show up this coming February and also state many things as fact that simply are untrue.
I have two apartments that Mery rents for me and I will soon be updating the website with all new apartments that she will have available, including 4 units in the new Mirador del Laguito building. Two of these units are completed and furnished for rental, the other two are in the final stages and will be available soon.
My name is Dogman and I endorse this message. (that is a joke)[/QUOTE]
This is all a crock of shit........
There is more emissions from this thread causing global warming, than what us evil Americans put out in a year.
Again it is Hunters and Mery's business. If Hunter wants to run Mery down, then he has a right based on a bad business relationship, but the rest of you don't know shit and should shut up.
I am MJGDogs, and I along with The Minuteman Project, The NRA, and all of us whom want the UN and the EU to go fuck themselves, approve of this message
You are obviously not the brightest bulb out there! It is ALL of our business since we use to rent from this thief. If Mery steals from one person who entrusted her with his properties then she WILL steal from anyone. This is how things work when dealing with thieves. Also, I had reservations that got screwed up because Mery lost the apartment. She did not tell me. So this effects me personally. People on this forum need to be informed when someone is stealing from us mongers.
I am getting a tired of some of the people who are defending Mery. She was caught red handed stealing. To me there is no defence. It seems a lot of people here are completely bias since they own apartments she rents. I know at least one of the owners has no choice but to deal with Mery because none of the other rental people will do business with him. He has already asked Juan several times to take over his apartments but Juan will not do it. So since he is stuck with Mery he will defend her regardless of how irrational his arguments are.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]This is all a crock of shit.
There is more emissions from this thread causing global warming, than what us evil Americans put out in a year.
Again it is Hunters and Mery's business. If Hunter wants to run Mery down, then he has a right based on a bad business relationship, but the rest of you don't know shit and should shut up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=True Hunter]Treeshark, yes that was one of things she was doing, there is a great deal more besides.
Yes you told me on tyhe PM at PBH that you had ditched your future wife, I didn´t want to bring it up.
A funny thing just happened, I posted your name on the previouse post and Tom33, I then went out to Envigado, in Exito who should I bump into but Tom33, I hardly ever see a foreigner, let alone bump into one who I know and just posted his name on here, its a small world.
Hunter[/QUOTE]
"As to the fraud, there are a number; I will go over them if people wish"
Mery has been a landmark in Cartagena like LDV. So yes please tell all the things that happened.
I know that lots of people think the world of Mery but it would be best to know the truth.
Treeshark, sorry it’s long, here is a slightly different version that I sent to some of the owners a few weeks ago:
Over the first two years or so I was rarely in Ctg, during that time Mery seemed to Mery a bit disorganised but a trustworthy person, as nearly everybody else also thought. This year I spent 6 months in Ctg as I wished to re-model all the apts I control and sort out other businesses, I was also contemplating slightly changing the management structure of the apts I control, so wished to observe what was going on.
During my observation phase I realised Mery was far more disorganised than I thought, I also came to doubt that she was a nice a person as many thought, from some of the things I saw her do and heard her say, the more worrying one was, I saw Mery lie a good half a dozen plus times, when a lie was not needed, as there was really nothing to lie about, it seemed to me that a lie came way to easily to her lips.
First of all I have several things that I have NOT proved sufficiently, although there are strong indications from what I am seeing that fraud was committed, over the coming months I will have a more information to evaluate whether I am correct with these assumptions, these are not on the list below.
This list is a slimmed down version of what I would tell anybody face to face and should be seen as nothing more than the highlights, even skimmed down it’s to long, once questions started getting asked more lies stated appearing, a lot more, a few of the lies are below included below:
STOLEN CLIENT
I had received a number of complaints from tenants regarding Mery lack of responses from e-mails and other admin related problems previous to my long trip to Ctg, so after my observation phase, I set up a new system with some input from others, which Mery agreed to join for the apts that I control and one other initially, there would be two managers Mery/Karina, Karina would mostly be behind the scenes doing the admin things and responding to e-mails, they would split the commissions 10% & 5%.
A number of people who regularly get asked by tourists who turn up at the last minute and looking for an apt, were going to feed them to Merys apts (they were presently feeding them to other apt managers), most of these people won’t deal with Mery as they find her to difficult, so they would feed Michael them, who would know from the booking site which apts were empty. They would make their own commissions that wouldn’t affect Mery/Karina commissions.
Mery stole Michael’s client, probably because she didn't want to give 5% commission to Karina or pocket the lot if she is not declaring the rental income to the other owner.
Mery made up three lies:
Lie 1: Michael called Mery that night to check that his client had arrived OK, she told him that he had seen the apt and didn’t like it and wanted another apt. Michael had showed this guy the apt the day before and he had told him he definitely wanted it.
Lie 2: When confronted face to face the next day Mery claimed the guy wanted a cheaper apt which is also a lie because Mery ended up charging him a little more than we were.
Lie 3: I was in Panama at the time, when I confronted on my return a few days later, she told me a different story, I had had enough by then and can’t remember the story now.
Client Story: Michael asked him the next day, when the Client turned up at the apt building (there was three of mine empty, including the one he had booked), Mery said there were no apts available in the building and she took him over to another building, I got Michael do double check this story with him, before I confronted Mery.
Unfortunately for Mery Michael knew the client, when I confronted her regards what happened, she made a third story up, I said fine, but Michael says the client has a different story, telling her it, the client is in the apt now and gets up early we can go and meet him, Mery said I am to busy, I have an appointment elsewhere, ok I said how about later today, fine she says, ok I say arrange the time call me and I will meet both of you, she never called, I gave her two chances to prove her story/ies. The client didn't leave Ctg for a few days more, Michael saw him at Loco Gringo with me a couple of days later, pointed to him and said that’s the guy, I said no need to bother him now, Mery proved her guilt.
This is the point I ditched Mery and started checking up on things.
CAR PARKING
Car parking spaces in one building rented in high seasons, 10-15,000 pesos a day, the doorman gave Mery the money, and I asked 3 of them they confirm the same story, with two witnesses with me when I was asking the questions, nothing logged down anywhere.
Car parked in one of my spaces in November, authorized by Mery, it had been there for 4 months, for how much or what favour…..?
NOTE, one owner (a Mery defender), said maybe Mery thought she could just take the money and didn’t need to tell you as it was so little, I replied, why then did Mery and another person put notices out looking for people to rent the spaces.
CHRISTMAS MONEY
Mery said to me that it’s a good idea to give a tip for the doorman at Christmas (I think she said for the cleaner as well but not 100% sure on that one), I said that’s fine, how much did you give, as I was doing the calculations a few months later, she said 140,000 pesos.
My construction manager has a painter who works for him, who is married to the cleaner, he mentioned in a conversation the cleaner had never received any Christmas presents off Mery in 5 years for working for her. Later I remembered the above and checked my accounts to confirm the amount, I checked with the 3 doorman at one building who had been working there 14-16 years & also asked the cleaner, they had received nothing.
NOTE, this can’t be a calculation error as Mery told me she had already given them the money and we were going through the numbers a few months after Christmas.
SHEETS & TOWELS
On handing over to new management Mery/Karina, I found 9 sets of missing sheets, I replaced the sheets.
After the stolen client problem above with Michael, I went on yet another handover with Mery, to check the sheets and towels, I found the cleaning cupboard doors open and un-locked in the first apt that I went to, all the sheets, towels, cleaning products gone. I said to Mery where everything is, she said its nothing to do with me, Michael rents the apt, I said Michael hasn’t got any keys for the cleaning cupboards, you haven’t given them to us yet. She kept repeating its Michaels fault, several times, I got pissed at her and started shouting at her, she then realized that Michael didn’t have the keys and she had them, she then blamed the cleaner, I had enough by then and told to get out of the apt.
NON-BOOKINGS
I checked 114 bookings via people who stayed in my apts who e-mailed me or the logging in book with the doorman at the buildings where the apts are located, 4 were not logged down on Merys accounts.
F/X FRAUD
This is the main fraud, it is harder to get a good average number of how much Mery has been skimming off, because most people can’t remember what they paid unless it was recent, so I have only checked 7 recent dollar bookings to people who stayed in my apts who can remember what they paid, Mery gives a different rate to what I should be getting, about 15% less on average.
Mery main defender keeps saying it just calculation errors....
NOTE TO CALCULATION ERRORS
In October and November there was 76 bill payments, there was 1 error (I have found errors here before over the last 2.5 years), I count this as an error as sometimes I find the numbers in my favour, sometimes not.
Fraud is when all the errors are in Merys favour, none in mine, such as the FX rate Mery gives me.
As to math’s, Mery uses a calculator it is just as easy to type 2109 x 10 as it is to type 2000 x 10.
Mery is in and out of the FX houses all the time, she knows the exchange rates very well, where the best deals are etc.
I have been busy and rarely in Ctg and not checked Merys dollar exchange rate for about 1.5 years or so, I had checked a couple of people about 1 year or so ago, but they had both paid pesos. The rental payments in dollars that I checked previous to that I, were all fine to a small percentage in her favour 1/2%, which I had no problem with as exchange costs have to be taken into consideration etc, this proves that Mery knew how to calculate the dollar peso rate before.
During the Mery/Karina rental management (when I was in Panama), Michael was checking that one of the tenants he sent had paid their rent with Mery, Mery confirmed they had paid in dollars and then started saying that she would give x amount of pesos, Michael said, but that isn’t the correct rate, it was approx 200 pesos less a dollar than the rate at the time that you could get in Ctg, Mery blustered (if you spend a bit of time around Mery, you can see the lies coming a lot of the time, hard to explain in writing) as she realised she had made a mistaken, she then said 2,000 pesos was a round number and because the pesos jumped around a lot she was going to use that number.
Michael told me the above and about his booking that he had in one of my apts a few months earlier for his family visiting Ctg, I knew he paid $75 a day, but what I didn’t know was that he couldn't pay all his bill in dollars, Mery insisted on receiving 2,400 pesos per dollar for what he couldn’t pay in dollars (roughly correct to what you should be able to exchange dollars for in Ctg at the time), yet Mery only put down 2,133 for me. It’s quite funny that she knew exactly what to charge him and what exchange rate to give to me.
I should have been checking things more regularly, but I have a lot of business interests and this is just a minor one, I also thought like many do with regards to Mery’s honesty, BUT as they say, they get caught when they get greedier.
Hunter
[QUOTE=Neh Hoe]A friend told me I should check this forum out because he thinks you guys are talking about my new girlfriend. Which I did happen to meet at LDV in Aug., she is blond, has a tattoo of tweedy on her leg and yes she has a beautiful body. She says the other gringo was a bad person and had her working in the disco. I am taking care of her and her family money needs and I am thinking about about marrying her. She is the most wonderful lady I have ever met.[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to this girl ?
No need to be sorry for the long version. Truthfully you need to read the long version to get a feel for it all.
To be blunt I am lost for words about this.
No one is perfect. We all have our dark sides. It is just that for so long, so many people thought so highly of Mery. Now we see her dark side.
I never rented from her and only met her twice. I would think that for all those people to say such nice things about her for so many years that there must be a lot of good things about her. But you know her better then I do.
When you forgive someone who has done you wrong, you also forgive yourself. But after reading about how she failed to give the doormen the Christmas bonus, I can not fault Hunter for wanting a bit of revenge.
Again for those who do not know Hunter, I trust Hunter and believe everything that he has said about Mery. Hunter is not the type of person who would tells lies about Mery because their business relationship went bad.
For those of you that think that Mery is such a great person, I am sorry that things have turned out this way. If you wish to keep renting from her or to use her as your rental agent, I will not condemn you. At least you have a better idea of the real Mery.
[QUOTE=Hunter]CAR PARKING
Car parking spaces in one building rented in high seasons, 10-15,000 pesos a day, the doorman gave Mery the money, and I asked 3 of them they confirm the same story, with two witnesses with me when I was asking the questions, nothing logged down anywhere.
Car parked in one of my spaces in November, authorized by Mery, it had been there for 4 months, for how much or what favour…..?
NOTE, one owner (a Mery defender), said maybe Mery thought she could just take the money and didn’t need to tell you as it was so little, I replied, why then did Mery and another person put notices out looking for people to rent the spaces.
Hunter[/QUOTE]I was offering to buy a unit in Mery's building and asked Mery about whether I should pay more to buy a parking space in the building or not. She told me it was not important to pay for a parking spot in the building, if I needed one there would probably be a vacant one I could use without charge FREE anytime I wanted.
[QUOTE=Sylvester]Are you referring to this girl ?[/QUOTE]Correction:
Her husband, many of you know. He was extremely upset that she continued to work at LDV when he was away. He did not want her working at LDV. It was a lie. I received a phone call from him a month ago and he is in the US trying to find out about an annulment or a divorce.
She wanted him to support her and her sister and her sister's 4 kids. When he refused to support her sister and her sister's 4 kids, she got angry at him and he finally gave up on her.
She is lying to say that he wanted her to work at LDV.
[QUOTE=Sylvester]Are you referring to this girl ?[/QUOTE]My advise to you, Sylvester, is to run the other way fast. Do not walk the other way. RUN! This woman Angie, is manipulative and a total lier.
I know her gringo husband, Mr. D., and have known him for over 5 years, was with them both in Cartegena and she totally took advantage of him. He used his retirement 401K money to live in Cartagena with her and she exploited his kindness, was demanding, and worked behind his back at LDV whenever he was gone.
Now he is pennyless and looking for work because of her.
Thanks for taking the time to explain what was going on. All of my dealings with Mery (three different vacations) were positive. Maybe I got lucky...
I am trying to get information to plan a scuba trip to Colombia. I was inspired by Zidaho's trip to Islas Rosarios.
There seems to be so much interest in Mery here that I am wondering if anyone has actually fucked this lady.
A posting on her talents in bed might improve the recent quality of the discussions on this board.
In addition, could someone offer an opinion for me: if you were looking for a couple of chicas to take to Islas Rosarios, would you look for them in Cartegena or somewhere else in Colombia (for example, Medellin)?
I didn't want to tell any tales out of school. Now that Hunter has told his side, I will say that I know and believe him.
Back to business: my novia has a nice surprise for Hunter tonight. Disfrute.
Oh, and I got the offer to purchase on an apt. in MDE signed yesterday. I might be spending a lot less time in CTG.
[QUOTE=Npaul1]My advise to you, Sylvester, is to run the other way fast. Do not walk the other way. RUN! This woman Angie, is manipulative and a total lier.
I know her gringo husband, Mr. D., and have known him for over 5 years, was with them both in Cartegena and she totally took advantage of him. He used his retirement 401K money to live in Cartagena with her and she exploited his kindness, was demanding, and worked behind his back at LDV whenever he was gone.
Now he is pennyless and looking for work because of her.[/QUOTE]
Hold on there Npaul1, I was only asking Neh Hoe if the pic I posted was the girl he was talking about. I was going to give him the same warning you gave me. To be clear, I fucked her once, thats it, thats all. Im not foolish enough to sugar daddy some fucking puta.
Guys like that are pathetic. Ho's are for renting, not long term financing. Even children leaving Disney land know they cant take Mickey Mouse home with them. Nor do the kids western union Minnie Mouse payments to ride Space Mountain when the kids are not at the amusement park.
It is amazing how some mongers loose all common sense when out of there home country. Would you marry a ***** in your own country ? Probably not. So why are so many mongers bank rolling foreign *****s ? Those girls are putas, good for one thing, that is it.
Find them, Fuck them, Forget them.
[QUOTE=Forest]I am trying to get information to plan a scuba trip to Colombia. I was inspired by Zidaho's trip to Islas Rosarios.
There seems to be so much interest in Mery here that I am wondering if anyone has actually fucked this lady.
A posting on her talents in bed might improve the recent quality of the discussions on this board.
In addition, could someone offer an opinion for me: if you were looking for a couple of chicas to take to Islas Rosarios, would you look for them in Cartegena or somewhere else in Colombia (for example, Medellin)?[/QUOTE]
Forest, that last thing that comes to mind when looking at Mery is her bedroom skills. She would go broke as a puta.
As for Isla Rosario, just take a costena (cartagena chica) with you. Dont waste time or money bringing in a paisa ( mde chica). If you must have a paisa, just find one in Ctg, lots of paisa putas there.
Looking forward to tonight, I will try and keep my Rum intake down, so I don´t upset any sweet girls that your girlfriend is brining along.
Hunter
[QUOTE=Npaul1]Correction:
Her husband, many of you know. He was extremely upset that she continued to work at LDV when he was away. He did not want her working at LDV. It was a lie. I received a phone call from him a month ago and he is in the US trying to find out about an annulment or a divorce.
She wanted him to support her and her sister and her sister's 4 kids. When he refused to support her sister and her sister's 4 kids, she got angry at him and he finally gave up on her.
She is lying to say that he wanted her to work at LDV.[/QUOTE]
Another case of captain-save-a-ho gone bad. These putas take kindness for weakness. The more you do for them, the more they ask for, and the less they appreciate it. These putas have no concept of common sense. The only thing they understand is money and creative ways to separate you from it.
Some of these mongers have forgotten the golden rule which is: HE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES. Dont import these putas, dont marry these putas, that gives them too much power. Rent em and forget em
[QUOTE=Sylvester]Dont waste time or money bringing in a paisa ( mde chica). If you must have a paisa, just find one in Ctg, lots of paisa putas there.[/QUOTE]This is good advice.
Besides, it seems all the hot Colombianas claim they are from Medellin, whether they are or not. You won't know the difference.
DB
[QUOTE=Forest]....looking for a couple of chicas to take to Islas Rosarios, would you look for them in Cartegena or somewhere else in Colombia (for example, Medellin)?[/QUOTE]
A lot of the girls are impressed with the aquarium "Oceanario Islas del Rosario". Some girls seem to have a thing for dolphins, but my impression is a lot of the more popular girls in Cartagena have already been there. So, if you can find a girl(s) who has not been there, you are better off. You'll get better value if it's her first time there or, maybe, if her eyes really light up at the idea.
The thing about this kind of trip is, in my opinion, you have two goals that are in a small conflict. That is, a trip to the islands is a great thing if you are trying to get more of a GFE experience out of a single girl, but if you take two (or more) girls it's hard to pull off the GFE. There's no illusion that you are a couple. From reading Zidaho's reports, it's sounds like there was some difficulty managing a couple of girls for a few days i.e. they spent time on thier phones, working other opportunities.
Not that I think Zidaho was on the wrong track, he seemed to manage the situation fine. I've heard stories about a guy who was juggling three chicks in Cartagena for a number of days. It sounds like one of the best ways to work three girls is to spend a good chunk of time shopping.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]A lot of the girls are impressed with the aquarium "Oceanario Islas del Rosario". Some girls seem to have a thing for dolphins, but my impression is a lot of the more popular girls in Cartagena have already been there. So, if you can find a girl(s) who has not been there, you are better off.
The thing about this kind of trip is, in my opinion, you have two goals that are in a small conflict. That is, a trip to the islands is a great thing if you are trying to get more of a GFE experience out of a single girl, but if you take two (or more) girls it's hard to pull off the GFE. There's no illusion that you are a couple. From reading Zidaho's reports, it's sounds like there was some difficulty managing a couple of girls for a few days i.e. they spent time on thier phones, working other opportunities.
Still, I've heard stories about a guy who was juggling three chicks in Cartagena for a number of days. It sounds like one of the best ways to work three girls is to spend a good chunk of time shopping.[/QUOTE]Me and my buddy took a chica each to the Islands for a day cruise. It was cool and the chicas seemed to like it.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]This is good advice.
Besides, it seems all the hot Colombianas claim they are from Medellin, whether they are or not. You won't know the difference.
DB[/QUOTE]
When the chica says she is a paisa, ask her if she has ever worked at Mayorista or knows about Mayorista.The chicas there charge 20,000 (twenty thousand) pesos for 1/2 hour. If she does not know about Mayorista, ask her if she knows where Mangos is and tell her Mayorista is 10 minutes from there.
So the "paisa" at LDV wants 200,000 pesos for short time and you tell her that you pay the paisas at Mayorista 20,000. You can bargain from there. :-)
Also just because you can not reach an agreement one night, does not mean that you can not work sometime out another. I was at a casa in Cartagena and the chica asked for 150,000 pesos for a hour at the casa plus the room fee. I thanked her for the kind offer, said no, and walked out and went to another casa. The next time I returned to that casa, she told me 30,000 pesos for a hour.
Remember that it is a game. Play the game.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]A lot of the girls are impressed with the aquarium "Oceanario Islas del Rosario". Some girls seem to have a thing for dolphins, but my impression is a lot of the more popular girls in Cartagena have already been there. So, if you can find a girl(s) who has not been there, you are better off. You'll get better value if it's her first time there or, maybe, if her eyes really light up at the idea.[/QUOTE]I took a cute Bogotona to the Rosario Islands and had a great time - so did she. Being an landlubber, she was pretty excited about being on the 'Miami Vice' fast-boat to the islands - she was thrilled, but when the boat took some serious air, the look on her face was priceless.
So I agree, find a chica who has not 'been there and done that'.
BTW, speaking of fast-boats, if you or your chica happen to have back problems, you may want to consider the larger, slow boat to the islands if the seas are choppy that day. When the boat take air, they come down in the water like hitting cement, and it can be pretty nasty on one's lower back.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]A lot of the girls are impressed with the aquarium "Oceanario Islas del Rosario". Some girls seem to have a thing for dolphins, but my impression is a lot of the more popular girls in Cartagena have already been there. So, if you can find a girl(s) who has not been there, you are better off. You'll get better value if it's her first time there or, maybe, if her eyes really light up at the idea.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed.
Take the fast boat there. It's a blast.
I took a regular non-working girl (professional chemist). She loved the ride, and was absolutely blown away by the aquarium. I don't believe that she had ever seen any of these animals before.
The aquarium is obviously a big thing in Colombia, but it is extremely rinky dink by our standards, as you can see from these photos. I can't imagine her reaction if she ever gets to visit Sea World!
We spent the rest of the day sucking down drinks at the beach.
Funny thing. Once when I went to the bathroom, I came back to find her looking at the photos on my camera. She accused me of being with putas.
Imagine that!
I admitted that is the very reason I came to Colombia. She threw a tantrum, screaming and crying and telling me that I was just like the Colombian men. Then she stormed out of the apartment, vowing never to see me again.
Fifteen minutes later, there was a knock at the door. She wanted back inside. It was never mentioned again.
That was two years ago, and she still emails and even calls sometimes...
DB
[QUOTE=Gonzo]I took a cute Bogotona to the Rosario Islands and had a great time - so did she. Being an landlubber, she was pretty excited about being on the 'Miami Vice' fast-boat to the islands - she was thrilled, but when the boat took some serious air, the look on her face was priceless.
So I agree, find a chica who has not 'been there and done that'.
BTW, speaking of fast-boats, if you or your chica happen to have back problems, you may want to consider the larger, slow boat to the islands if the seas are choppy that day. When the boat take air, they come down in the water like hitting cement, and it can be pretty nasty on one's lower back.[/QUOTE]I'm sure she worked all of Gonzo's kinks out :-)
I agree this is a great excursion to take with a non-pro. Back in 2005, I took a regular girl from Sucre there, and we had a great time. Price was COP 50,000, if I remember correctly, plus a COP 9000 or so National Park entrance fee (since Islas del Rosario is a Natural Coral sanctuary). The total price includes a free lunch on one of the islands. Entrance to the aquarium was extra, COP 12,000 or so, I think. Definitely worth it: especially the shark-feeding show was eery. Of course, nothing to rival Marine World, but pretty nice, anyway, with giant sea turtles, sting rays, dolphins, of course, and all types of tropical fish. Overall, at a cost of roughly USD 35.00, an inexpensive way to spend a day away from Cartagena. The views of Cartagena from the water are very nice, too.
EA
[QUOTE=Sylvester]Are you referring to this girl ?[/QUOTE]Yes. that is her people. Do change you think these girls love selling their body to fat tourist? She has told me of a number of guys who have wanted to bankroll her as you put it and she has turned them down.
[QUOTE=Neh Hoe]Yes. that is her people. Do change you think these girls love selling their body to fat tourist? She has told me of a number of guys who have wanted to bankroll her as you put it and she has turned them down.[/QUOTE]
A puta turn down western union payments ? Bullshit ! These girls are addicted to the easy money. Think about it, she gets payment without having to spead her legs ? Its all about money to them. That is why they continue to work even when they have a gringo sucker sending money from abroad. They want more money.
You cannot domesticate a pro.
[QUOTE=Sylvester]A puta turn down western union payments ? Bullshit ! These girls are addicted to the easy money. Think about it, she gets payment without having to spead her legs ? Its all about money to them. That is why they continue to work even when they have a gringo sucker sending money from abroad. They want more money.
You cannot domesticate a pro.[/QUOTE]
Sylvester, leave the poor boy alone he's in love with that puta and she's in love with money. Its a match made in Colombia LDV... lol.
I think he is already sending money IMO.
[QUOTE=Ticasonar]I'm sure she worked all of Gonzo's kinks out :-)[/QUOTE]Why... yes she did!!! And then some... ;^)
Here are a few pix from the aquarium. The dolphin finished his moonwalk dance right in front of me, with a humongous bellyflop, which soaked me (but that's ok, it's freakin' hot there). So camera bearers, beware of those nefarious dolphins. Unfortunately, I can't show a pic of my chica, she made me promise, no internet fotos.
[QUOTE=Rufus]Sylvester, leave the poor boy alone he's in love with that puta and she's in love with money. Its a match made in Colombia LDV... lol.
I think he is already sending money IMO.[/QUOTE]
Trying to spare a monger a lot of heart ache and money waste. Oh well, he will learn the hard way.
[QUOTE=Sylvester]Trying to spare a monger a lot of heart ache and money waste. Oh well, he will learn the hard way.[/QUOTE]
I know buddy but we both know he's a lost cause. Just got to sit back now and watch the on coming train wreck and I thought Colombia got rid of its rail network... :(
Am I the only person who thinks Neh Hoe is a fake?
I mean just say the name.
Something just does not feel right here. Perhaps Neh Hoe is a troll.
Nor do I think the Jeffs (997,998,999) were real either. Something seemed wrong there too.
Perhaps I have just become too jaded in life.
By the way those were great photos of the aquarium Gonzo. Much better then the ones that I took the day that I went over there with four chicas. :-)
[QUOTE=Sylvester]A puta turn down western union payments ? Bullshit ! These girls are addicted to the easy money. Think about it, she gets payment without having to spead her legs ? Its all about money to them. That is why they continue to work even when they have a gringo sucker sending money from abroad. They want more money.
You cannot domesticate a pro.[/QUOTE]That is a interesting thought in a world full of possiblities. Exprience has shown me there are no absolutes.
[QUOTE=Treeshark]Am I the only person who thinks Neh Hoe is a fake?
I mean just say the name.
Something just does not feel right here. Perhaps Neh Hoe is a troll.
Nor do I think the Jeffs (997,998,999) were real either. Something seemed wrong there too.
Perhaps I have just become too jaded in life.
By the way those were great photos of the aquarium Gonzo. Much better then the ones that I took the day that I went over there with four chicas. :-)[/QUOTE]Are you a fake? I guess you ask the question because I just joined the board. Angie is my new girl and if things work out she will be my wife. I have also made sure she does not need to work instead she will be going to school. I have seen the statements from moneygram and western union.
I am not real? My mommy is going to be surprised to there this!
[QUOTE=Treeshark]Nor do I think the Jeffs (997,998,999) were real either. Something seemed wrong there too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Neh Hoe]Are you a fake? I guess you ask the question because I just joined the board. Angie is my new girl and if things work out she will be my wife. I have also made sure she does not need to work instead she will be going to school. I have seen the statements from moneygram and western union.[/QUOTE]
Neh Hoe, you should change your name to PENDEJO, because that is exactly what she is calling you behind your back. Good luck on your marriage to a puta that has serviced more customers than McDonalds.
Would you marry or much less be seen in public with a well known ***** in your own country ?
Your story is beyond belief. NPAUL has already reported that some other Cabron is working on divorcing this ***** as she was collecting WU and still selling her ass in LDV. Now you are lining up to be the next HUEVON for her to take advantage of ? How pathetic, you deserve what you are going to get.
What's the Spanish word for blowjob? How do you ask for one?
I was walking on a beach around La Boquilla earlier this year and a girl offered me one, but I forgot the word she used. Is it "mamar"? I've been using forms of "chuparse" in order to make my way in the world.
chupame has always worked for me..... but I have an Aussie accent....
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]What's the Spanish word for blowjob? How do you ask for one?
I was walking on a beach around La Boquilla earlier this year and a girl offered me one, but I forgot the word she used. Is it "mamar"? I've been using forms of "chuparse" in order to make my way in the world.[/QUOTE]
Yep its mamar. You can say to a chica "mamar me va a bajar" that shoud work... ;)
[QUOTE=Rufus]Yep its mamar. You can say to a chica "mamar me va a bajar" that shoud work... ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I'll try this with an Aussie accent and see what happens :)
Based upon my previous trip to Cartagena, I will be spending more time with the girls from the Casas as opposed to LDV during my next trip. However, I don't want to bring a girl home that ends up having a bad attitude, etc... Will they let you "try before you buy?" For example (Dollar amounts are made up):
House fee costs $30 for short term at a Casa
House fee costs $65 for TLN
Can I get a chica short term, then pay $35 (65 - 30) if I want to keep her for the night? Or do I need to pay the house $65 and the original $30 for a total of $95?
Anyone tried this or something similar?
[QUOTE=Junkyard]Based upon my previous trip to Cartagena, I will be spending more time with the girls from the Casas as opposed to LDV during my next trip. However, I don't want to bring a girl home that ends up having a bad attitude, etc... Will they let you "try before you buy?" For example (Dollar amounts are made up):
House fee costs $30 for short term at a Casa
House fee costs $65 for TLN
Can I get a chica short term, then pay $35 (65 - 30) if I want to keep her for the night? Or do I need to pay the house $65 and the original $30 for a total of $95?
Anyone tried this or something similar?[/QUOTE]
Your going to pay for both.... I would always go with just the TLN.... better value and the chica is yours for the evening.
[QUOTE=Junkyard]Based upon my previous trip to Cartagena, I will be spending more time with the girls from the Casas as opposed to LDV during my next trip. However, I don't want to bring a girl home that ends up having a bad attitude, etc... Will they let you "try before you buy?" For example (Dollar amounts are made up):
House fee costs $30 for short term at a Casa
House fee costs $65 for TLN
Can I get a chica short term, then pay $35 (65 - 30) if I want to keep her for the night? Or do I need to pay the house $65 and the original $30 for a total of $95?
Anyone tried this or something similar?[/QUOTE]Better yet, take a stroll on San Martin between 9:00 pm and 11:00 pm. You should be able to find all you want. And the area is completely safe. I normally pay 60K (about US$25) for short time.
Hello Gentlemen,
Is there a nice bar to watch the Superbowl. What would be ideal in my book is an open air bar with large screen TV. If anyone is aware, please let me know. FYI., this is my first trip to Cartagena.
Thanks to all for the fine information in the forum, intend to check out as many mongering sites as possible.
Probably the Hilton will have it on, also the casino next to LDV has a big screen so try those 2 places. I watched the USA defeat the cheap shot Italians in hoops in there last August
[QUOTE=Supposed]Hello Gentlemen,
Is there a nice bar to watch the Superbowl. What would be ideal in my book is an open air bar with large screen TV. If anyone is aware, please let me know. FYI., this is my first trip to Cartagena.
Thanks to all for the fine information in the forum, intend to check out as many mongering sites as possible.[/QUOTE]Try the Loco Gringo in Laguito. They have several large-screen LCDs and US satellite. So you will hear the broadcast in English. They didn't have any TVs outside last year. I was more interested in sitting outside and watching the chica parade.
[QUOTE=Supposed]Hello Gentlemen,
Is there a nice bar to watch the Superbowl. What would be ideal in my book is an open air bar with large screen TV. If anyone is aware, please let me know. FYI., this is my first trip to Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Ahem,
I sincerely wish you forget about Superbowl, once in Cartagena!
Enjoy your time.
[QUOTE=Black Page]Ahem,
I sincerely wish you forget about Superbowl, once in Cartagena!
Enjoy your time.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha. Yes, I most certainly intend on taking part in the mongering scene. A nice bar with the Superbowl on, a fine senorita by my side and a drink in my hand is how I hope to spend time during Superbowl game.
Can anyone describe the beach and environment in Cartegena. Is it similar to the beaches in Cancun? Also are there many nightclubs there with non-pros?
Appreciate the info.
[QUOTE=Supposed]Ha, ha. Yes, I most certainly intend on taking part in the mongering scene. A nice bar with the Superbowl on, a fine senorita by my side and a drink in my hand is how I hope to spend time during Superbowl game.[/QUOTE]
You could probably watch it in your apartment/hotel with Spanish-speaking announcers and her lips wrapped around your dick.
Its live at the Mansion here in Medellin, but you got to be a guest.
I´m rooting for Chicago, got to because Medellin Bob's from there.
Aussie G.
[QUOTE=Supposed]Ha, ha. Yes, I most certainly intend on taking part in the mongering scene. A nice bar with the Superbowl on, a fine senorita by my side and a drink in my hand is how I hope to spend time during Superbowl game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dosluna]Can anyone describe the beach and environment in Cartegena. Is it similar to the beaches in Cancun? Also are there many nightclubs there with non-pros?
Appreciate the info.[/QUOTE]The beach sucks and so do the chicas. But sucking chicas is a good thing. The historical old city blows away anything in Cancun. The vast majority of tourists in CTG are other Colombians on vacation looking for love and night action. There are a lot of non-pro clubs.
I wouldnt let my dog "Paisa" swim in the water of Cartagena!
Have a look out the window as you land at the airport.
The islands are nice though and also the old city, its worth 2-4 days, once is enough.
Nothing comes close to Medellin in Colombia.
Aussie G.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]You could probably watch it in your apartment/hotel with Spanish-speaking announcers and her lips wrapped around your dick.[/QUOTE]See, this is what I call help from board members. Even though I am not enamoured with the Spanish-speaking announcers part, will endeavor to bring the latter part of the suggestion to fruition while watching the game.
If the above cannot be accomplished, are any expat Americans getting together at any particular bar?
At the last minute, a crisis at work forced me to cancel my plans to come to Cartagena next week (read: sh*tf*ck!!!). Since it is so late, I can't back out on my commitment to the apartment, one of Juan Ventura's, but if you know anyone who is looking for a place to stay next week - it is for 6 nights, from Mon 2/5 to Sun 2/11 - please let me know, PM me..
My buddy and I are arriving to Cartagena on March 1, planning on staying between 1 and 2 weeks. I'm trying to book a hotel right now, but was hoping to get some feedback from you guys. We don't want to spend more than US$50, double room at a safe hotel that is not far from action (pros and non-pros) Hotel has to be girl friendly. There seems to be tons of hotels available, but I've never been to CTG before, and don't want to end up staying in a part of town that is real shady at night and make a mistake of booking a place where the girls will get turned down at the reception.
Thanks in advance
Is it girl friendly? A good location?
Where to stay for the first couple of days in CTG?
Thanx
Dear all,
may I ask the expert people what is the high season in Cartagena?
I would like to go back, but before even starting to plan a trip, I'd like to know what are the best and worst periods to visit.
I guess the best period is the lowest season, because there are less tourists and more girls around, "hunting" for men, while in the high season there is fierce competition and all prices are higher.
Conversely, maybe the low season is low, because it is the hurricane season (if hurricanes ever happen there). In such a case, maybe it is better to avoid to plan a visit. :-)
Any expert people of Cartagena may advise, about the best and worst months to visit?
I've been there in early Dec. It was great. Few tourists around.
Thanks all.
Best regards.
Mid December to Mid Jan is very high season.
Around the second week of November, Miss Colombia is a high season.
Easter week is also a high season.
Thats about it, some people claim July and August is also a high season, this is only true with regards to airline flights from Europe, as there are a lot of students filling the planes up and heading to South America in general, which pushes up the price of airline tickets, but doesn't affect the prices on the ground in Ctg.
Hunter
[QUOTE=Black Page]Dear all,
may I ask the expert people what is the high season in Cartagena?
I would like to go back, but before even starting to plan a trip, I'd like to know what are the best and worst periods to visit.
I guess the best period is the lowest season, because there are less tourists and more girls around, "hunting" for men, while in the high season there is fierce competition and all prices are higher.
Conversely, maybe the low season is low, because it is the hurricane season (if hurricanes ever happen there). In such a case, maybe it is better to avoid to plan a visit. :-)
Any expert people of Cartagena may advise, about the best and worst months to visit?
I've been there in early Dec. It was great. Few tourists around.
Thanks all.
Best regards.[/QUOTE]
What months are low season?
[QUOTE=Aybolit]Where to stay for the first couple of days in CTG?
Thanx[/QUOTE]Most of us mongers stay in Laguito.It is very safe and you can walk to beach,restaurants,stores etc. Like Tom33 told me "Its user friendly"
[QUOTE=Escort King]What months are low season?[/QUOTE]
Whenever it's not high season, it's low season.
Schools are out in Colombia from about June 20 to July 20. That is also high season in CTG.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]
Schools are out in Colombia from about June 20 to July 20. That is also high season in CTG.[/QUOTE]There are more people there, but nothing that pushs up the prices in anyway I have ever seen, do I don't class it as a high season.
Hunter
If you are interested in combining wind sports with mongering Cartagena is probably the best spot in the Caribbean from January through March. The water is dirty and most of the beaches are unattractive. So, outside of the Christmas and Easter high seasons, there's a lot of open water and beach space. The wind almost always comes up strong in the afternoon in Cartagena in January, February and March. It's less predicatable in December and April; other times of the year it's not worth the trip.
It's true there are a lot of other places where you can wind surf or kiteboard during the day and find a girl at night in the Caribbean, but your options are much greater in Cartagena than in other spots. The wind is stronger along the coast of Venezuela, but unlike the Colombian coast, where many of the best venues have forgiving side-shore conditions, the wind for many of the best Venezuelan spots is off-shore. At night your options are limited. Porlamar and Willemstad are much smaller cities and have fewer options for girls; It's much more problematic in terms of time, money and logistics to be on the water on Isla Margarita in the afternoon and clubbing in Porlamar in the night. In my experience, the odds of having a really poor P4P experience in Porlamar are much higher than in Cartagena. In different degrees, this is true of all the smaller Caribbean islands.
The bigger islands aren't much better. Havana might compare in terms of size to Cartagena. I do not know Cuba, but I know the wind is less predicatable than in Cartagena. From what I read, my sense is things are more complicated in Cuba. All the more so if you are American.
Likewise, you can go to the Dominican Republic, but the wind is significantly less dependable in Caberete than along the north coast of South America. You'll have options for girls and it's easier to get by without Spanish, but nearby Sosua doesn't offer the variety and quality of girls you can find in Cartagena. In terms of wind, it's not impossible to get skunked out for a week in Caberete. Often, when the wind comes up, you are sharing space with hundreds of other people.
I could keep going along the Spanish Main, Panama City is too far from Punta Chame. Adicora is too far from everything. Cancun; less wind, less opportunites.
As for the Colombian coast, the wind and venues outside of Barranquilla may be slightly better than what you'll find in Cartagena, but getting to the beach is much more involved in Barranquilla than in Cartagena. Peurto Velero is a great spot, but getting there and coming back to Barranquilla at night is going to take time, money and maybe some chance. And Barranquilla isn't as strong a mongering spot as Cartagena. Santa Marta has powerful erratic winds, everything is screwed up there because of the mountains and it's considered even less of a mongering destination than Barranquilla.
I recommend a tour of the Bocas de Ceniza, before dropping into the water at any point between Peurto Colombia and the Magdalena. Got to think twice about what is draining out of that river. Likewise, the length of beach between Cienaga and KM11 looks fantastic, but as an obvious gringo travelling alone I wouldn't linger in Cienaga.
East of the Sierra Nevada mountains the wind gets better and more dependable, the water looks nicer and all that. You can generally count on the wind in December, but finding girls at night is way more difficult. No one is going to La Guajira for the mongering. In my opinion, you are probably safer in most of the spots east of Rio Buritaca, as long as you know some of the locals, than you are at Cienga or Peurto Colombia. The value of isolation and the wind play in your favor for having a good time on the water, but at night you're going to be counting stars.
So, it depends on how you want to spend your time. If you are interested in being active during the day, enjoy sports that involve the wind and water, want a lot of options at night and you speak a little Spanish, Cartagena is worth looking into.
Overall point. For many people, the comparision between Cartagena and Medellin is not the right comparision to make. Cartagena is a Caribbean city. If you want girls from Medellin, the best place to find them is Medellin. It may be the best spot if you are only interested in chasing paisas and looking for good value, although I imagine that is a debatable point. If you want a place by the sea, with girls from all over Colombia and some from Venezuela, Cartagena strikes a great balance.
Jelly,
I noticed your report and wanted to see if you found a place to rent windsurfing equipment and kites in Cartagena. I was in Isla Margarita last fall, great sailing but like you mentioned, sparse professional entertainment in the evening. I did find a salsa club or two that had bangin' latinas out dancing. I hate the idea of draggin my sailing shit all over the place, so any rental advice you have is great.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]What's the Spanish word for blowjob? How do you ask for one?
I was walking on a beach around La Boquilla earlier this year and a girl offered me one, but I forgot the word she used. Is it "mamar"? I've been using forms of "chuparse" in order to make my way in the world.[/QUOTE]
Chupar is far more common, you do not say chuparme since chupar is the infinitive (e.g. to suck and you don't want to say "to suck me") but the imperative - the direct request is "chupame".
If you were to use mamar, vs. the oddly worded other post, mamar me va a bajar, which literally says "to suck me you will go down", more like a camera manual than a request and you will sound like a bonehead, surely. Instead of your bone getting head.
Better to express a desire, viz, Quiero que me chupes. (I want you to suck me - OK a little coarse), or Quiero que me des una mamada. (I want you to give me a BJ) (Mamada is a nick name for a BJ). When you express a request or wish you use the subjunctive, e.g. chupes (vs. chupas) or des vs. das.
If you do use the imperative (which is a fancy name for an order), at least with chupame, add por favor, which is a common way to turn an order into a specific request.
In bed if she is sitting there wondering what to do next try something like , OK, ahora, me gustaria si puedes chuparme, OK. E.g. now, it would please me if you could suck me, OK? Which is saying , now I'd like a BJ, OK.
Learn Spanish people. Present, simple future, one past tense (use the more simple to remember imprefect past tense if you want) and subjunctive. 20-30 verbs and a few pronouns and you can sound like you know more than average.
Or go fancy - Cariño, pongas tus labios dulces alrededor de mi penga y chuparlo como si sea el penga pasado en el mundo.
Honey put your sweet lips around my cock and suck it like it is the last cock on earth.
Good for a laugh, and ideally a good BJ.
Adverb help:
despacio - slow down
lento - slow
mas profundo - deeper
menos ( or no) dientas, por favor -less/no teeth please
Use (usay) la lengua por favor - use your tongue please
Lamelo un poco - lick it a bit
Lame mis huevos - lick my balls
No te pare or No te detengas - Don't stop.
Te gusta si termino (or vengo) en tu boca - Do you like it if I finish (or come) in your mouth? (Places vary - terminar to finish in some places, and venir, to come in others - terminar is likely to work all the time, venir not always).
Grand Pollo - Thanks, that's the best educational moment I've had recently.
Mojok - There is a place to rent in Laguito and two places on the Playa de las Americas (This is near the airport and, for kiting, is a much better spot than Laguito). For kites, I think they top out at 9m. You may want to bring a larger kite as the wind sometimes demands something in the 10-16 range in the early afternoon. Finding other gear for rent in these places should not be an issue. For most other spots, you will need to bring your own stuff. Keep in mind, you give up some of the best wind in the world and white sand beaches when you leave Margarita/Coche, but Cartagena is going to treat you much better at night.
JD wrote:
Santa Marta has powerful erratic winds, everything is screwed up there because of the mountains and it's considered even less of a mongering destination than Barranquilla.
The winds in Santa Marta are VERY seasonal. In the dry season it blows pretty good most days, although the DIRECTION can be variable. Also, keep in mind that Santa Marta proper is a PORT, not a beach town. The beaches in town are barely better than Cartagena (read: mierda). Taganga is in a big cove so not much wind (which is why so many fishing boats call that protected bay home). Rodadero is sheletered somewhat by the island offshore and the point where Cascadas is located.
Arrecifies has LOADS OF WIND but hauling windsurfing gear along that muddy track would NOT be easy and would slow you down (it takes almost an hour to reach the beach in good conditions and NOT carrying a rig).
Finally, and as I have said countless times, SM is a place to BRING A CHICA, NOT a place to find one. Yes on the weekend there are some nonpros about, although 90% of the time they are with their family and NOT likely to jump in the sack with a gringo tourist (PROVIDED your apartment would allow you to bring in a guest; most do NOT as you MUST get a plastic wristband when you check in and they will not allow you in the building without one).
Eres el ******!
As someone struggling daily to improve their spanish, I thank you for the detailed lesson!
Now that's my kind of spanish class :-)
Whats up guys. I'll be in Cartegena in a couple of weeks and I was wondering how safe is it to go "mongering" at night to all those clubs (LDV, Pleyboy, etc) are there certain procedures to follow, and whats a good area of town to stay at?
Hey guys. what time does ldv open and start really going? and what time does it close? thanks guys
11.30-12 PM is the best time to get there.
Not sure what time it opens and closes though.
Hunter
I think it's open around 10 and closes around 2, but sometimes seems to close later.
Showing up around 10, not much will be going on. You are safe if you show up around midnight.
The guy that owns LDV just opened up a new place in the old city. It's supposed to be nicer, open later and stay open still later. I can not remember the name (since I'm not much for the 2am to 6am scene I never stopped by) but I was talking with one of the LDV girls "Caroline" from Bucaramanga. She loves it. Anyway, it opens later and stays open till dawn. Many of the LDV girls seem to go there after 2.
Caroline is a crazy girl. She called me up at 6am one day, because she had a hard night and wanted to come over to "talk". I invited her over and, interestingly, we talked. She was sort of surprised that I was getting up after a decent night sleep.
[QUOTE=Belldude2]Hey guys. what time does ldv open and start really going? and what time does it close? thanks guys[/QUOTE]
I think the new place is called "Electra", it's supposed to be popular with the ladies who used to go to GiroMatto for the 3-6AM action. Haven't been yet but may check it out in a few weeks when I'm there again. That is if this old man can stay up that late...
Thanks Hunter and JD. I appreciate it. I have been to Cart 2 times and have never been there. But I have spent time at Playboy and Venus and had some great times with some sweet SWs. I will check the new place (electra?) out in one month. should be fun.
[QUOTE=Tom 33].... All the working girls have become hard-core, jaded, and high-priced. And they say that it wil continue to get worse.
However, I can still get an hour of GFE from a smoking hot chica for 60K, the same price I paid 4 years ago.
If you hate Gringos, don't come.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tom, actually I checked, in almost a week all the 106 pages of the photo gallery to see how look like Colombian girl, some are really very hot girls, and I will start to read from tomorrow at least the posts of the year 2006 in Cartagena thread to understand even better what you mean and to know the better places where to go once there, however I think I already understood what you mean.
Please allow me to ask something more.
-With 60k for a hot girl, you mean by taxi car, get from newpapers or what else?
-With "Gringo" you mean only foreign person or what exactly?
-So CTG is already spoiled or have still some to offer for the person who never been in Colombia and that wants to join ocean-beach life+girls?
-Last question...what about the non-pro scene in CTG? ( I mean if somebody stays at least 2 weeks how are the chances to get a non-pro, just a regular normal girl?-I already speak basic spanish and I keep on study...)
Muchas gracias!
PS. I am interested to know also the opinions of the others members too.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Thanks Tom, actually I checked, in almost a week all the 106 pages of the photo gallery to see how look like Colombian girl, some are really very hot girls...and I will start to read from tomorrow at least the posts of the year 2006 in Cartagena thread to understand even better what you mean and to know the better places where to go once there, however I think I already understood what you mean...
Please allow me to ask something more...
-With 60k for a hot girl, you mean by taxi car, get from newpapers or what else?
-With "Gringo" you mean only foreign person or what exactly?
-So CTG is already spoiled or have still some to offer for the person who never been in Colombia and that wants to join ocean-beach life+girls?
-Last question...what about the non-pro scene in CTG? ( I mean if somebody stays at least 2 weeks how are the chances to get a non-pro, just a regular normal girl?-I already speak basic spanish and I keep on study...)
Muchas gracias!
p.s. I am interested to know also the opinions of the others members too.[/QUOTE]
You can find girls for 60K on the beach, on the street, in restaurants, and in stores. The ones that want to play will let you know. However, you do need to smile and say, "Hola."
By Gringo I meant person fom the US. Colombians call all foreigners, who aren't South American or Asian, Gringo.
In my opinion, CTG is neither spoiled nor ruined.
You can meet non-pros quite easily with only basic Spanish. Just don't expect a blow job on the first encounter. That can happen, but it is not likely.
Tom 33, or anyone in CTG:
Are there any massage parlors in CTG with a HJ at the end of the session? Anything like that in the area? Not interested in a FS type of place, just a good massage with a happy ending.
I've been browsing the boards and there was a mention of a hotel dorado a while back, anyone knows if that is still an option? Just want to get the day started right :)
Thanks
[QUOTE=Tom 33]
....In my opinion, CTG is neither spoiled nor ruined.....
[/QUOTE]
Hi Tom, thanks for answer, I am happy to read that CTG is still not ruined and even more happy when I found this:
[url]http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/caribe/2007-02-18/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3442851.html[/url]
I hope the assault to the couple of two italians with the death of the woman was not common thing in CTG.
I think I will go to CTG between september/october.
Cheers.
In the tourist zone, assaults are rare. The Italians were outside of the tourist zone, but not by much. You still must remember that there is a lot of poverty in all of Colombia. The social safety net here has many holes. If you can't eat, you die.
However, Colombia realizes the jewel that it has in CTG. The tourist zone (Centro and the Bocagrande Penninsula) are well patrolled.
Ay: I know of no massage parlors in the CTG area.
Tommy please look in this map:
[url]http://www.cartagenaapartments.com/modules/propiedades/misc.php?op=cartagenamap[/url]
So if I did the homeworks well, to rent a flat in safe zone, it is better to stay in zones 1,2 and 3,right? (that I guess are also the better places about view and beaches life, or am I wrong?).
And the center of city, the walled city is in zones 4 and 7? They are safes too?
How far they are 1,2,3 and 4,7? ( in the map it is hard to understand the distance).
Again the clubs and bars, I mean the scene where to go during the night is only in zones 4 and 7 or enough to stay in zone 1,2 and 3 where we should rent the flat?
Thanks!
What you call Zone 1 in the North of the map is a so so area (the first two 1s), you have to be aware of what is going, especially at night.
The spit of land going off to the South West is fine.
Here is a better map of the old City, if you are new to Colombia, I would just recomend staying in the Centro and San Diego part of the old City, or the Laguito Bocogrande area, most of the bars and discos are located in Centro and Getsemenia:
[url]http://www.caribenet.com/index.php?name=Downloads&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=1[/url]
The brothals are off the map to the East.
Your other questions are to difficult to answer as there are a lot of 1s, 17s etc, which are the numbers of the roads, but the top 1 in the north, to the hook of land at the bottom in the South West, will take you approx 1.5-2 hours to walk at a brisk pace.
Hunter
Why you think zone #1 is "so and so" area?
Thanks!
Just the first two 1s on the map, at night the area is not that safe and you have to be very carefull (mugging wise), it has been that way since I have been going to Ctg, I have friends who have lived and still live in that area, they tell me its still the same.
So if you stay in that area, I recomend not walking around the streets there at night.
Hunter
Hunter sorry but I am surely the only one who do not understand: you mean in my map or in yours?
I think you meant mine, right? So the area inside zone 1 and 2, right?
Re-thanks!
If I am talking about your map, I would suggest looking at your map again, the 1s are running from North to South, there are 6 of them, hence why I only said the first two in the North.
I am making reservations at this hotel:Hotel Bonavento Del Mar in Cartagena.
The rate is 19 bucks a night, with AC, cable TV and its in Bocagrande near to the San Martin's Avenue and the beach according to the website. Anyone has any info on this place? Is it safe?
I'm gonna be there real soon, so id appreciate any advie
Thanx
Probably does not have hot water, If it is the place I think it is, it is kind of dumpy, but for $ 19, what do you expect?
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Probably does not have hot water, If it is the place I think it is, it is kind of dumpy, but for $ 19, what do you expect?[/QUOTE]
For $19 in a third world country I expect the penthouse....
$19 does NOT buy decent lodging in ANY area of Colombia frequented by gringos. You DO get what you pay for, so don't expect much.
The Penthouse I used to stay in near Santa Marta area cost $50 and STILL NO HOT WATER. On the coast, hot water is something of a luxury.
According to [url]http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm[/url] Colombia and, in fact, all of Latin America are identified as Third World Countries. Perhaps that's why I always have such a good time there...
/Dan D.
In the modern era, most people use the term "Third World" to describe nations that are poor and undeveloped (as opposed to those not aligned with either the US or the former USSR; the better term for those nations is "non aligned" ). That map acknowledges as much if you read the commentary.
Without completely dissecting that map, let me mention just a few examples: Greenland is part of Denmark and has a standard of living higher than the US, yet it is listed as Third World.
SE Asia: Thailand is quite affluent and developed but is listed as Third World while former Soviet Republics that are mired in poverty are listed as Second (Yellow).
As for South America, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are quite affluent and developed and HARDLY qualify as Third World.
Setting that map aside, those that have traveled extensively in Latin America will tell you, neither Colombia nor Venezuela nor Chile, nor Argentina nor Uruguay nor Brasil are NOT Third World.
Many parts of the US are so backward they they should qualify as Third World, but on a country by country breakdown we are still considered First World.
So if the poster meant he would expect a nice place for $19 because Colombia was in the non aligned movement then you (and your map) would be correct. Since I believe he meant "third world" as in "poor and undeveloped", I disagree that Colombia fits that rubric.
Actually I was making a joke ala Eurotrip - I movie I recommend highly to international travellers... hits all the stereotypes of European travel in very humorous manner... someone should do latin american trip....
Well after reviewing the post from my esteemed advisary ( at times), I have to agree with most of what he is saying. He is absolutely correct in his assertions about Colombia, Argentina, Urugray and Chile, especially the latter two countries not being "third world", and yes go to parts of KY, W VA, TN, MS, AL and LA, and you will see areas that you could classify as " third world".
He is wrong though about Venezuela, almost 30% live below the poverty line, a marked increase since Comandante Chavez was " re-elected", and the middle and upper classes are trying to flee fast...
Rueters also reported two weeks ago that One in Six Europeans live in poverty also. This is from the Continent that knows everything, and feels it is the craddle of civilization, but even I was surprised to see the article in Rueters.
Surfer's was correct in his analysis about latin america and the USA.
By the time our buddy in the white house is done we might all be third world countries. I have indeed been to some countries that are sub-3rd world. Like Louisiana for example.
[QUOTE=Aybolit]I am making reservations at this hotel:Hotel Bonavento Del Mar in Cartagena.
The rate is 19 bucks a night, with AC, cable TV and its in Bocagrande near to the San Martin's Avenue and the beach according to the website. Anyone has any info on this place? Is it safe?
I'm gonna be there real soon, so I'd appreciate any advie
Thanx[/QUOTE]I have never stayed there but I know the hotel . It is a very small hotel but in a good location with lots of restaurants and close to the beach . It is probably a 10 minute walk to the beach.
The reason for the low price is off season , go back during school break or Easter and the price will be $50 a night. More important it is girl friendly although they will charge you 10,000 pesos for the extra person.
Hot water in a city that is 90 degrees everyday is wasted. The hot water tank sits on the roof and the cold water heats up during the day in the sun and you have hot water for a shower the next morning.
It is a very safe area I have been visiting Cartagena for 20 years and using the humble principle have never had any problems.
Have a great time
You being kind to call parts of Louisiana " third world" Beavis, there is no state remotely close to Louisiana, it truly is a different place.
Well if that won't qualify as third world I truely have been to some, Nigeria, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Congo, Angola, now there are some third world countries.
I lived in Louisana for 4 yrs in Plaquermines Parish in a little town called Buras, Louisiana working on the oil rigs out Of Venice, Louisiana. I think the place got wiped off the map by Katrina. Venice is the second southern most town on the Mississippi of which Orchard is the first. I never saw anything that looked like some of the third world countries I have been in.
I know that area very well. Please explain what makes that part of the country anything but third world?
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Hey there, can anyone tell me if the massage places in the Cartagena list are worth going to?
are they just massage, or massage with hj/bj or full service?
I see them listed, but noone really says anything about them.
thanks guys
It has been a while since I have been to CTG and need to answer a question to an associate. Which ATM's will allow you to withdraw $400,000 pesos?
I withdrew 400 bills from the ATM in the Hilton Hotel in Laguito. Safer than a usual ATM also, since no one knows why you're coming in and out of the hotel, as opposed to an ATM...
[QUOTE=Beavis]It has been a while since I have been to CTG and need to answer a question to an associate. Which ATM's will allow you to withdraw $400,000 pesos?[/QUOTE]
Bancolombia, now merged with Conavi, allows 400K as does Servibanca, maybe BBVA and a couple of others. Davivienda allows 500K.
Thanks Tom, hope your doing well.
Beavis;
There is on ATM in Bocagrande that will allow you to withdraw 500,000 at a time, it is about 100 meters down from the supermarket and near the Italian restraunt with the hotel run by the Italians. The ATM booth is by the coldest place in Cartagena period....
Thanks, I am just trying to find out for a friend who goes there. His bank charges him $7.50 for international withdrawals. I used to get $400,000 from the one inside of Olympica in Boca Grande. I followed this chick inside of there one day but at the time my digital camera was one of those that took about 10 seconds to warm up and by the time it was ready she was inside of the market.
That was during the Coronacion de la reina in 2003. They were everywhere.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Beavis;
There is on ATM in Bocagrande that will allow you to withdraw 500,000 at a time, it is about 100 meters down from the supermarket and near the Italian restraunt with the hotel run by the Italians. The ATM booth is by the coldest place in Cartagena period....[/QUOTE]
That is a Davivienda. There is another one near Body Tech.
hello people,
5 days cartagena, who said it is not good for mongering? it's great for mongering, just not for cheap mongering!
at night all the danceclubs are meeting points for paid sex. quality differs per disco, best one is off course the many times mentioned ldv (la dolce vita) next to the casino. great choice nice athmosphere and you can just dance and relax. but fuck these women do know their prices, not many willing to bargain. too many tourists eager to pay 100 bucks for 2 hours.
still did have a great time dancing with a working girl in ldv that was totally crazy. after i told her i was not gonna pay 100 bucks she even took me back with here to her appartment to drink some rum and listen to music whil she even did some vibratorshow. unfortunately she did not want sex without me paying, and as i had fucked in afternoon i was quite at ease with whatever she was willing to show me for free. ended up sleeping there, and that was a adventure on its own.
found a nice streetgirl for 50k (plus 5k taxi) on street just across tu candela disco. sex was ok. hang around there for cheap streetgirls, always something going on there. or hang around at the beaches but i found those girls a tad to raunchy.
and just when i was not expecting, i found this great 18 year old daughter of a woman selling jewelry on the streets. as i was buying jewelry from her mum she just hit on me, asking me if all men from my country were so "hermoso" (gorgeous) off course i was not going to let this go, so i chatted with her and invited her to go dancing later that night. she agreed to do so after work, i said no problem and waited for her. she admitted to have a novio but was not happy with him (whatever.)
we ended up dancing at a club and she seemed to be quite a dancer, shakira moves left and right, men staring at her and i could not even go to toilet without the fear that all these men would hit on her;.)
took her to my hotel at 4 oclock and after some passionate kissing and hesitating on her side about not wanting to have sex so soon, we finally hit it off. and i mean we hit it off
this 18 year old girl rocked my 36 year old world that night till the morning. she had no boundries and was wild and hot as hell. man this was the peek moment of my colombian trip. after the sex she used my massage oil to massage my whole body, not forgetting any cm2.
the next 2 last days of my visit she stayed with me and i took her to isla rosario (overrated but perfect for spending time with a nice novia) nice dinners and great, wonderfull and wild sex (even some underwater blowjob at rosario. you gotta luv her! ). she even came to drop me at airport with her mum? ! called me just an hour ago to ask my email adres again.
so all in all cartagena beautifull historic city, nice but expensive mongering, overpriced drinks at cafes, and like anywhere in colombia anything nice can happen anytime and anywhere.
yo quero colombia
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CTG is the most expensive city in Colombia by far. However, when compared to other Caribbean locations, it ain't bad.
I don't ageary that Cartagena is more expensive than Medellin I was in Cartagena 1 week I take 5 diffrent girls from ldv and I pay 100000 for 1 hour, in meedelin you pay olerady for agely girl in San Diego show 120000, go to discos like mangos universal cost 15000 to 20000, the drink in Medellin more expensive in discos, you can find nice studio in good bulding in lugito for 70000 pessoa in meddelin 50 to 60 dolares a night. If some americans pay to the girls in ldv 300000 it dosent mean that Cartagena is expensive. You can take out side ldv girls for 30000 to 50000 pessos the some girls like san diego show. Meddelin was cheap until last year, now is the some prices like Cartagena even more expensive.
I ran into a guy from Switzerland this morning who has lived in Cartagena for 16 years. He said that there were many more tourists from the US and countries other than Colombia 16 years ago than there are today.
If the Gringos (read extranjeros) didn't ruin CTG 16 years ago, they probably aren't responsible for its oft mentioned demise today.
Better than 80% of the tourist dollar spent in CTG is Colombian. Gringos simply do not matter in CTG and matter less in other parts of the country.
Even though I will now be spending the majority of my time in Medellin, I will continue to spend a couple of months per year in CTG. It is a nice change of pace. It is not as cheap as it used to be. But where in the world is it?
Better than 80% of the tourist dollar spent in CTG is Colombian. Gringos simply do not matter in CTG and matter less in other parts of the country.
Anyone paying $100 U.S. per night to a chica, in a country where a good income is $500 per month is insane, IMHO! If your game is weak you would be a lot better off investing that same money on Spanish lessons!
I have been traveling to Colombia now for three years and the most I ever paid as a Newbie was $200,000, and since then I never ever pay over $100,000 for all night! Last summer I pulled from LDV a black Chica and a White Chica for 100,000 per Chica for a few hours of fun in the sun! An unfair advantage here, but last year Tom33 hooked me up with a smoking hot hard body black Chica for 40 or 50k the first time then the following month I paid her about half of that.
Again a damn GOOD salary for any part of Colombia is $500 per month, a friend of mind is the Treasurer of the second largest phone company in Colombia and he might make $3000 U.S. per month!
The Prince of BAQ only charges $7 per hour, as a tour guide, that should give you an idea of what to pay a Chica!
Hey Tom33 remember that smoking blonde Venezuelan that Tim had last year at that sorry BBQ of mine, I think he got her from Pleyboy or some club like that, but his cost was like $225K for all night but that also included a bar fine! You have to admit she was HOT!
I'm 44 and have been to Colombia 15 times in the last three years, and upon every single one of my visits, I have been hit on by a chica half my age.
[QUOTE=JacobGlobo]I don't ageary that Cartagena is more expensive than Medellin I was in Cartagena 1 week I take 5 diffrent girls from ldv and I pay 100000 for 1 hour, in meedelin you pay olerady for agely girl in San Diego show 120000, go to discos like mangos universal cost 15000 to 20000, the drink in Medellin more expensive in discos, you can find nice studio in good bulding in lugito for 70000 pessoa in meddelin 50 to 60 dolares a night. If some americans pay to the girls in ldv 300000 it dosent mean that Cartagena is expensive. You can take out side ldv girls for 30000 to 50000 pessos the some girls like san diego show. Meddelin was cheap until last year, now is the some prices like Cartagena even more expensive.[/QUOTE]If we talk about more bang for your buck then where you monger makes a big difference. In Cartagena some girls are asking $200,000 ST (short time) whereas guys readily pay $162,000 at Loutrons for a straight hour.
In Cartagena Pleyboy's is now $290,00 for toda la noche including the bar fine and usually the girl will stay with you til the afternoon instead of 7 or 8 am like many Medelin girls do.
In Cartagena the Mansion girls want $150,000 and up for ST although many are not rushing to leave so ST can be one to a few hours. Where as some girls at LDV will still do toda la noche for $150,000.
In Cartagena you can meet the girls at Pleyboy or Casa del Marina or other casas and negotiate daytime dates for less because there is no bar fine. The same can be said for places in Medellin like San Diego Club but not FASE II (those girls think their pussy is gold).
Medellin lacks the beach girl cheaper sex hunt but then again Cartagena lacks the MANY cheap P4P casas (starting at $30,000 and up) that Medellin has like New Life, Aiffe, Geisha's Sexi's, Belle Suite and etc... with as well as the mid price casas ($50,000 to 70,000) like Cassandra's, Miel y Cannela Abydos, Blue Room and Energy.
Medellin lacks a disco like LDV in Cartagena where you walk in and know all the girls are P4P available without having to pay a bar fine and MANY TIMES you get a real gem.
Cartagena lacks a location like the rock bottom priced P4P Mayorista in Medellin where prices start as low as $15,000 to $20,000 and SOMETIMES you get a real gem.
In ALL places in both cities and in ALL price ranges you will find girls that will give shitty, poor, good, very good, great, excellent, mechanical or GFE type service for the money.
So it really is still all subjective and I barely even scratched the surface.
Again this applies to P4P only, non-pros are a different matter.
Cheers,
Cubanut
Hey Cubanut ... very well put :)
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I ran into a guy from Switzerland this morning who has lived in Cartagena for 16 years. He said that there were many more tourists from the US and countries other than Colombia 16 years ago than there are today.
If the Gringos (read extranjeros) didn't ruin CTG 16 years ago, they probably aren't responsible for its oft mentioned demise today.QUOTE]I agree, some people went there to Ctg at its low point around 2000-2002 and for some reason they seem to think that Ctg was like that before, just because there are a few more foreigners there now than the above time period, doesn't mean diddly squat.
Ctg is STILL nothing compared with what it was like up to 1994, but they can seem to grasp that Ctg existed as a tourist area for decades before they went there.
Hunter
Medellin is a lot cheaper than Ctg, you can live for half the cost in Medellin than Ctg, wether girls, apts, food, drinks etc., of comparable quality in each City, virtualy everything. The only one that comes to mind where Ctg is not more expensinve than Medellin is sea food, I can't think of anything else.
Hunter
There are at least a couple of places right out of Ctg where the prices are the same as Mayorista, although there was only a few girls there that were worth banging when I went there in 2002 & 2003. There is strip with half a dozen bars and strip club, I don't remember the name of the area or the name of the bars, although I could find them again.
My friend told me late last year that the prices haven't changed a lot and the places are still there, but I don't think they are very safe neighbourhoods, for comparison I think Mayorista is very safe area compared with them, so I don't recomend them on the boards.
While I have been recomending Mayorista since 2002, along as you don't wander away from the main drag.
Hunter
How much are crack ***** in Riviera Beach these days? Depending on where you go and what you know and what they know the price varies from "free" to 500.000 pesos in Colombia. The most expensive is usually the "free" pussy, they stay too long. I still get some of the 60-80,000 peso pussy in cartagena but that is usually beach of street girls. The most missed jewel in Cartagena, IMHO, chicas from close by that do not go to La Dolce, etc., that are the occasional pay for play, especially if you get them early in their career. While it is true that most Colombiana's make minimum wages, just over $200 a month, they are not getting sperm baths from gringoes, after a while most of the girls start to lose their fun attitude. Anyway, going back in 3 more days to move, hope to hit Buca for a few days.
Hunter.
I don't agree with you, I was in Medellin more than 100 dayes last year and this year, I know all the places in medelin, it is more expensive in Medellin, to go inside disco satrday you pay 20000 only go in in Cartagena mr babila 10000 very good place the drinks in medelline good discos are0 procent more expensive than Cartagena, place like ldv and electra the some owner os free to go inside no bar fine take girls drinks cheaper than meddelin, place like passe 2 bar fine, go to isis night club in Cartagena I take very nice girl some lavel than passe 2 for 100000 all night, I eat in povlado pizza and chainisg food 30 procent more expensive than Cartagena, in lagito in low seasen you rent nice app for 1200000 pessos arond 500 dollares plus, and meddelin in povlado how much you pay, small exmple 1 kilo lundry in every lindray in lugito 3000 pessos in Cartagena I check in povlado 80oo 1 kilo, in cener 6000 pessos a kilo, I go out with italian peoles every night in Cartagena they take nice girls from ldv 2 houres 100000 pessos, the some girls when I go out with my americans frindes ask 250000 pessos, mayby next time if you write that ctg is expensive for americans tourists it is diffrent, belive me I know what I write, last year all prices in meddelin go up, even small hotel in la 70 you don't foind lase than 40 dolars I don't talk about povlado, I eat every day in italians resturant in ctg, cheaper than parqe lleras the some kind of food, this is my opinin, sorry for my english 2 yers ago meddelin was cheaper than Cartagena now forget it, I pay 600oo pessos for girls in san diego, now 120000 pessos 80 procent low class girls this girls out side dlv 40000 pessos, what more I can cumper to you.
Poblado is not Medellin. Poblado is not cheap.
I just bought an apartment in Barrio Conquistadores in Medellin. It is Estrato 5. I paid well under 1 million pesos per square meter. You will pay well over 2 million per square meter in Laguito. New construction in Laguito is closer to 3 million.
Hunter, by the way, has lived in Medellin for 4 years. I have lived in Cartagena for 4 years.
I am afraid your wrong like for like nearly everything in Medellin cheaper compared with Ctg, in my opinion at least.
Parque Lleras has expensive restaurants, go to the expensive restaurants in Ctg and compare the prices, there are no expensive restaurants in Laguito compared with Parque Lleras, because Laguito is not a restaurant area.
As to apts, you can get better quality in Medellin than Ctg for a cheaper rate. Although there are fewer short term rental apts in Medellin compared with Ctg as Medellin is not a tourist City, but the industrial City of Colombia, most short term apts in Medellin are aimed at the visiting Colombian businessman, there are plenty of cheap ones available you just have to look, but in the right place.
There are far more girls on the game in Medellin, there are few tourists (Colombian or foreigner), so most of the girls go with the local guys who pay the local rates, only the well off ones pay 150,000 pesos plus and only a small percentage of the girls actually charge that.
Disco are expensive to cheap in Medellin, I go to discos that are better than any I have been to in Ctg and pay half or less for the alcohol. Most certainly there are more expensive discos in Medellin, but compared with Ctg, those discos are in a differant world.
I have spent about 1.5 years in Ctg and 4 years in Medellin.
Hunter
T0m33 Now that your headed to Medellin, don't you think it is about time that you shared with us your private collection!
When you get a chance give my private email address to your CTG girl, trust me I will treat them in the same fashion as you have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I might be in Medellin in July, if so I will look you up, so you can School be on to get more bang for my buck!
COL$200.000 IS US$100 pretty much, with the exchange rate going down the way it is. Since you habla Español, I suggest you check that in: [url]www.eltiempo.com[/url]
T.R.M. $ 2.204,05
Casas de cambio (promedio)
Compra $ 2.140,00
Venta $ 2.195,00
Precio en la calle (promedio)
Compra $ 2.050,00
Venta $ 2.190,00
Where do you dare to compare a Colombian salary to P4P?
These are two different things.
Just try to reason with a pro about what the minimum wage in Colombia is, and what YOU think she should get.
US$500/month a good salary in Colombia?
I suggest you spend more time on Google doing some research.
[QUOTE=Latino passion]Better than 80% of the tourist dollar spent in CTG is Colombian.[/QUOTE]Us Colombians use and spend PESOS, here and in Cartagena and everywhere else in the country.
Just try to offer a really hot looking girl that charges US$100/hour, COL$ 14.000 which is about US$7 to see what she says.
[QUOTE=Peter Solano]US$500/month a good salary in Colombia? Man are you insane.
I suggest you spend more time on Google doing some research before making an ass out of yourself like you always do.
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Just out of curiosity i googled average+salary+colombia and got "monthly salary | Colombia Guide" [url]http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/22857[/url] claiming [i]average[/i] salary is US$300.
Perhaps you could elaborate on expectations from pros and non-pros. Given one targets non-pros, US$100 may very well be a generous reward.
I suggest you place me on your ignore list, since I seem to really rattle your chain!
I also suggest you do what you do best! Take more pics with your Hubble Telescope, and sell the WOMEN of your country to the highest bidder. You must must be the favorite son of BAQ, what a badge of honor that must be.
I stand corrected Prince, from what I understand you do not sell the women of your country to the highest bidder, you simply Indroduce them to the highest bidder! It is what it is, now aint it? I'm simply amazed that a person such as yourself that was Educated in the States, would get so bent out of shape over a why pay more comment!
Why, Why would you get your panties in such a wad over a comment that was not directed towards you? And in no way shape or form was it a derogatory comment towards your Country or the women of your Country. unlike you I have great respect for both of the above! And unlike you I will point out whenever I can how the guys here might be able to save a buck or two!
Guys, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this $7 an hour rip off JERK!
[QUOTE=Latino Passion]I suggest you place me on your ignore list, since I seem to really rattle your chain!
I also suggest you do what you do best! Take more pics with your Hubble Telescope, and sell the WOMEN of your country to the highest bidder. You must must be the favorite son of BAQ, what a badge of honor that must be.
Guys, I'm sorry but I'm sick of this $7 an hour rip off JERK![/QUOTE]ONCE AGAIN you idiot. it was a TIT telescope. And no I don`t sell the women here, some of them do that pretty well on their own.
[QUOTE=latino passion]You must must be the favorite son of BAQ, what a badge of honor that must be.[/QUOTE] For ONCE you are right, IT IS an honor !!!! Who knows, I might even get a CITATION from City Hall for doing such a good job in promoting my town.:)
[QUOTE=latino passion]unlike you I have great respect for both of the above! And unlike you I will point out whenever I can how the guys here might be able to save a buck or two![/QUOTE]
And YOU, that still don`t know that our national currency is the PESO, since you have been here MANY times, when was your last time 2 weeks ago?:) are going to give advice as to how people can save a buck or two? Man, you are funny LMAO
NEVER THE LESS, I went out of my way FOR YOU, and posted a picture of a COL$50.000 bill so that you know what they look like, because you obviously have never seen one in person.
Me a RIP OFF? And a JERK? :)That YET has to be proven !!!!!!!!
While in YOUR CASE, you are a PROVEN idiot, and born LOSER !!! :) :)
[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Just out of curiosity i googled average+salary+colombia and got "monthly salary | Colombia Guide" [url]http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/22857[/url] claiming [i]average[/i] salary is US$300.
Perhaps you could elaborate on expectations from pros and non-pros. Given one targets non-pros, US$100 may very well be a generous reward.[/QUOTE]
It all depends on WHERE you live, do you have to pay rent, school tuition, are you the head of the family? Utilities, transportation? US$500 is NOT going to go very far.
And yes some of these girls can make as much as US$75/hour or more, now not too many people here make that much, at least an hour anyway. Peter.
[QUOTE=Peter Solano]It all depends on WHERE you live, do you have to pay rent, school tuition, are you the head of the family? Utilities, transportation? US$500 is NOT going to go very far.
And yes some of these girls can make as much as US$75/hour or more, now not too many people here make that much, at least an hour anyway. Peter.[/QUOTE]
Its a shame when my girl makes 400k mensual at Exito,, lol
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Its a shame when my girl makes 400k mensual at Exito,, lol[/QUOTE]
Luckily for her, she has you to buy her a used Honda for US$500 LOL. That will save her quite a bit of money in busetas.
Did she tell you, she will also need a helmet, a vest, a license and the SEGURO OBLIGATORIO ? ( mandatoy insurance) Put aside some other $300 or so. Peter
Hello,
Tom I ageary with you that laugito cost 2 miliones a meeter, even my american friend buy 4 months ago for 1. 5 a metter but check parque lleras or povlado and you will see, mayby the housses arfe cheaper in Medellin, I respect hunter even he lives 4 years in Medellin, but I just talk to 2 americans and 2 italians guyes that lives 4 years in Cartagena and they visit meddellin and they have the some upinun than me, small exmple I go from lugito to center by taxi 4000 pessos. In Medellin after 21 oclock taxi start with 4000 pessos any shit disco in Medellin, you pay 10000 to 15000 pessos ticket with out to drink, I,ve been in 3 good places in Cartagena no cover check the bottel of rum in mangos or even other good places in meddelin like las palmas I know all this places, in Cartagena ldv and elctra that open until 6 oclock morning 30 procent cheaper the drinks, places like passe 2 and and or lsan diego show are more e4xpensive than ldv, in ldv no bar fine and belive me I take at list 4 very beutiful girls from there for 80000 to 100000 pessos for 1 or 2 houres if ther girls like you, tray to do this in passe 2 only the bar fine you pay more, this only heapend the last 6 months, I take over 60 girls in Medellin for all places maurista up to la mansion, and I realy knbow what I am talking about, I eat in parque lleras and povlado in sabanta, and for me it is not rezen to write that Medellin is more expensive or the some like Cartagena, and even I meet 23 girls from lautrun the best place in Medellin that the price is 170000, even the girl get 120000, and the are in ldv and go for 80000 to 100000 pessos I was last week 7 nights in ldv 50 girls mayby 10 man, it is eazy to get 90 procent of the girls for 100000 pessos, if you speak some spanish, sorry this is only my opinun.
[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Luckily for her, she has you to buy her a used Honda for US$500, that will save her quite a bit of money in busetas. Lol. Peter[/QUOTE]
Thats the whole point of getting her the MOTO, to try to cut some of her travel time and for putting up with my mongering ways and being a "good girl" lol BUT I am scared to death that she will get in an accident, have you seen the traffic and how they drive in Cali? I always see MOTO accidents and they are always bad!
[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Luckily for her, she has you to buy her a used Honda for US$500 LOL. That will save her quite a bit of money in busetas.
Did she tell you, she will also need a helmet, a vest, a license and the SEGURO OBLIGATORIO ? ( mandatoy insurance) Put aside some other $300 or so. Peter[/QUOTE]
The bike where gonna get has insurance for like another 8 months still, I know about the vest and helmet, but first she needs a lisence. lol
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Thats the whole point of getting her the MOTO, to try to cut some of her travel time and for putting up with my mongering ways and being a "good girl" lol BUT I am scared to death that she will get in an accident, have you seen the traffic and how they drive in Cali? I always see MOTO accidents and they are always bad![/QUOTE]
I have not seen it in Cali, but I have seen it here in BAQ, and believe it is not any better. I have also seen a few car accidents involving motorcycle riders. BUT most of the times it is their fault. Some never turn on their headlights even at night, ride like maniacs cutting between traffic and never obeying stop signs or traffic lights.
And another thing that make the traffic crazier is the MOTOTAXIS, those motorcycles used as taxis, since they have to pay the owner what they call the TARIFA, they ride like hell trying to make it plus what they have to make for their own.
One word of comfort for you though, most of these insane riders are men. Women seen to be more careful while ridding, and I did not say DRIVING LOL
If you want her to be safe, and save some money and time to and from work, why don`t you pay for a TRANSPORTE, those guys that do car pooling and go to her house pick her up bring her to work and back for a fixed amount a month. Peter.
Peter is good guy. He does what he says and does not rip you off. He does not lie.
$100 price seems to be a normal asking price, especually from white girls from other cities. Unless your italian, canadian or a new gringo most guys do not pay this.(This is a quote from 2 medellin real blondes). I watch guys get girls for 40 - 50k. I watch italians with 2 - 3 girls at the beach hit on other girls while the girls they are with will give you their phone number to meet them later.
I see Tony push so-so girls while he knows some real gems. I see families, college students, vacation girls looking for extranos. I watch guys get normal working girls Its all a game.
If your a guy looking for lots of cheap pros..dont come to ctg or colombia ..go to aisa and pick a number. Its much safer and you may be the lucky 1,000,000,000 customer.
Colombia is looks(not always what you think) money, language skills, timing, luck, balls.
Great seafood in CTG. Beach is brown.
Thank GOD there are enough girls to go around!
[QUOTE=Peter Solano]It all depends on WHERE you live, do you have to pay rent, school tuition, are you the head of the family? Utilities, transportation? US$500 is NOT going to go very far.[/QUOTE]No one said that US$500 per month is going very far. However, the average Colombian earns far less than that.
As far as P4P, a girl can feel free to ask whatever she wants. I can choose to decline her services. I normally pay 60 to 80K for ST in Laguito. In the Botero Plaza area of MDE, I pay 30 to 50K. But, it doesn't bother me if someone wants to pay 200K. It's their money.
LP, I'll be in the US from June through Sept.
[QUOTE=JacobGlobo]Hello,
Tom I ageary with you that laugito cost 2 miliones a meeter, even my american friend buy 4 months ago for 1. 5 a metter but check parque lleras or povlado and you will see, mayby the housses arfe cheaper in Medellin, I respect hunter even he lives 4 years in Medellin, but I just talk to 2 americans and 2 italians guyes that lives 4 years in Cartagena and they visit meddellin and they have the some upinun than me, small exmple I go from lugito to center by taxi 4000 pessos. In Medellin after 21 oclock taxi start with 4000 pessos any shit disco in Medellin, you pay 10000 to 15000 pessos ticket with out to drink, I,ve been in 3 good places in Cartagena no cover check the bottel of rum in mangos or even other good places in meddelin like las palmas I know all this places, in Cartagena ldv and elctra that open until 6 oclock morning 30 procent cheaper the drinks, places like passe 2 and and or lsan diego show are more e4xpensive than ldv, in ldv no bar fine and belive me I take at list 4 very beutiful girls from there for 80000 to 100000 pessos for 1 or 2 houres if ther girls like you, tray to do this in passe 2 only the bar fine you pay more, this only heapend the last 6 months, I take over 60 girls in Medellin for all places maurista up to la mansion, and I realy knbow what I am talking about, I eat in parque lleras and povlado in sabanta, and for me it is not rezen to write that Medellin is more expensive or the some like Cartagena, and even I meet 23 girls from lautrun the best place in Medellin that the price is 170000, even the girl get 120000, and the are in ldv and go for 80000 to 100000 pessos I was last week 7 nights in ldv 50 girls mayby 10 man, it is eazy to get 90 procent of the girls for 100000 pessos, if you speak some spanish, sorry this is only my opinun.[/QUOTE]
It must come and go in seasons, or something. Cause I couldn't find any girl I wanted in LDV for 100k pesos, short time or not. Those LDV girls get more hard-core every year. I would offer 130k for long time and they would say it's "poco dinero". Fuck that!
On the other hand, you were getting quoted more expensive prices in San Diego but I still take girls there for 80k on-site.
LDV does not have cheaper drinks than San Diego, they are the same price (about 45k for a media of rum with a couple of Cokes).
You are incorrect about the price of the taxi in Medellin, and if you haven't found a club without cover in Medellin then you're not looking hard enough.
You need to compare apples with apples. Guys are reporting paying 290k for an all nighter out of Pleyboy in Cartagena. And the other casas in CTG will charge a gringo Loutron prices and deliver shit quality.
[QUOTE=Cachorro] I would offer 130k for long time and they would say it's "poco dinero". Fuck that![/QUOTE] You have hit the nail on the head. This is a TWO way deal, the girl is free to ask whatever amount she wants, up to you if you want to pay that much. And you are free to offer what you can afford to pay or what you want to spend. She, on the other hand, is also free to take your offer or to refuse it.
But to try to reason with a pro, that Colombians don`t make that much a month, that the exchange rate US$1- COL$ is going down, or that the minimum wage is COL$433.700 and she wants COL$200.000 to just let YOU get in her pants for an hour, is the STUPIDEST logic I have ever heard of.
This is a complete different ball game. Here you are negotiating HAIR nothing else.
Occasionally here, you have THESE DUDES, who like to play Mother Theresa and, love to give dumb advice as to what THEY think one should pay, or post a whole bunch of links.
That can work in Cyberspace, but NOT in the Real world. Peter.
Hey Guys, be careful i received a counterfeit 20k, 10k AND 5K note, not all on the same trip but each time I go I get at least one! usually from a cab driver. Damm these are good copies! the paper is just A LITTLE lighter and the water mark is not as clear. But thas about it, they even have the little colored specs in it.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Hey Guys, be careful i received a counterfeit 20k, 10k AND 5K note, not all on the same trip but each time I go I get at least one! usually from a cab driver. Damm these are good copies! the paper is just A LITTLE lighter and the water mark is not as clear. But thas about it, they even have the little colored specs in it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that happens, and even with the COL$50.000 bill, so your loss will be bigger.
I have found this information from the BANCO DE LA REPUBLICA, about the characteristics of the bills, but unfortunately it is only available in Spanish.
[url]http://www.banrep.gov.co/billetes_monedas/bm_cara.html[/url]
It would be a good idea to download and print the information for someone soon to travel here. At the bottom there is the PDF format
Buying those pocket size cash tester lamps to test bills could also be a good idea.
But they are not cheap.
[url]http://www.innovationhouse.com/products/cash_tester.html[/url]
I have seen some pocket size ones that have a purple UV light and are battery operated, that could work. I am sure they are $20 or so. Peter.
Hi,
If you comper ldv with samdiego show the price are the some, but ldv with passe 2 in passe 2 is 30 percent more expensive, I check all thev places check next time lehano oriente in Medellin is very good place cost near 200,000 pessos my american friend takegirl from there for home for 2 houres he pay 300,000 pessos, I take my self last week every night from ldv more than 6 girls I never pay more than 100000 pessos, after 3 oclock morning all this girls go to disco electra and you can take tham for 100000 very eazy, now adyes inm santiago the girls ask 100,000 to 120,000 pessos shourt time, last year mayby Medellin was not expensive but now, the prices are the some like in Cartagena, if you won't go out every night in Medellin it is expensive, if you don't think so I respect your opinun.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Hey Guys, be careful i received a counterfeit 20k, 10k AND 5K note[/QUOTE]I used to come across an occasional counterfeit bill when I lived in Guatemala.
I found that I never had any trouble passing them on to a chica, in the dark, who had her clothes off...
DB
2nd addition on Cali report. After hearing numerous good reports about DR. AMOR, one of my buds the previous day, I decided too give it a try, very glad I did. Paid the extra 10K CP for the delux room with shower, ac, and porno on the tv. Had a very beautiful young lady by the name of Diana, what a great fuck. This girls knows how to give great head and what a tight little box;) She rode me cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, sideways, and then my turn, doggy, missionary, reverse missionary and standing doggy. after the first round we layed on the bed kissing and fondling, I started playing with her pussy and made her cum several times which, made her very happy and then, on for round 2. She was a great GFE. I don't think she has ever had a guy please her to the point of orgasm after taking care of him, she had a great big smile on her face and just melted in my arms afterwards. We finished showering together and I tipped her a little extra as we left. If in Cali check out the Docs place and ask for Diana, she's got dirty blonde hair about 5'3" smokin ass and a nice set of natural tits, I thought she was one of the best looking girls in the place, said she was 23 and going to college to be a teacher. She wouldn't let me take any pics though:( Part 3 to follow.
Does anyone know when Holy Week starts in Colombia? Am planning a trip this Friday, March 30th. Will everything be closed? Is this a bad time to go?
Thanks for the info.
That will probably be the start of holy week (or two), the two official holidays are the 5th & 6th April.
You should be fine in Ctg, as many places will be open to cater for the extra tourists.
Hunter
after my late supper, i decided to explore the environment.
i went first to pleyboy (cj del nilo, dg 21 48-04).
this place is among the most famous strip from cartagena. they had 25/30 girls most of them good looking, some with outrageous tits, most very skinny i would say an average between 8 and 9 with, maybe, 1 or 2 10.
i sat on a free table and ordered a bottle of water (5kcop) and start wondering all those beauties.
after a while, i noticed a girl that was staring at me, willing to capture my attention. as she was ok to my standards, i invited her to my table.
we then started the usual talk (with difficulties because a strip show was going on with loud music), and i asked her what was her price.
she asked me 180kcop for 30 minutes!
that sounds totally ridiculous to me and i told her that this place was the most expansive club in colombia.
i tried to bargain her 180k for 60’, but no way. she explained me that these are the rules of the club 180 for 30’ and she would pay the room.
so i asked for a tln and she told me that she wouldn’t do it but that some girls does for 350k cop.
while we were speaking, she asked for a drink and i said ok (20kcop).
after she finished her drink, as i haven’t been able to reduce her price, i decided that i would try my luck somewhere else.
outside, i asked a taxi if he would know a club with more reasonable prices.
he proposed to drive me very close from pleyboy to a casa where it would cost me half of pleyboy.
so, he drove me to the bruselas barrio, to calle benyamin herrera 24-34.
when i went in, i saw only 2 girls, not really my kind (tall) but i saw that there was some more at the end of the patio.
there i found 3 girls having fun dancing on music.
one of them caught my eye immediately. she was less that 1, 6 meter high, slim, blonde, with natural medium size breasts, and a pretty face.
she start to talk with me and when i asked for prices, she asked for:
50 for the room 100 for her. i asked for my favourites extra: bbbj => no anal => no
i remained an all minute thinking about it, it was late (11: 30pm), i liked that girl, i had my blue pill almost an hour ago, i was "hard", and she was smiling. what could i do?
so we went to her room.
this house is organised around 2 patios, the first one where they receive the "customers", the second patio where the rooms are.
here is something a little bit special, her room, was really her room. she had all her things there.
so i could see picture of her son, the family, her toy dogs, clothes, . .
she immediately jumped on me and took her bra out.
i then had a shock! her tits were all white!
she is a talc fanatic, and uses it all the time on her tits and pussy.
she explained that it help her to remain dry in the warm and humid weather of cartagena.
so we start the usual common exploration, but i realised very soon that this girl was wild!
she invited me to the shower (low warm water, no heater but ok) and we kept exploring each other.
she then gave me a deep french kiss!
it made me smile that she wouldn’t make a bbbj but we had french kisses all the times!
when we left the shower, after drying us in the same towel, and using an antiseptic mouth wash, we finally went back to the bed, and she insisted in switching the light off. i didn’t want that (i like to see their beauty) but the bathroom’s lamp was strong enough, so i let her act as she wanted.
then, things went crazy. she literally raped me!
i liked her pussy and she was very humid, and moaning all the time encouraging me deeper, stronger, . .
when i turned my body to enter into 69, she took my dick and started a good hj. as she told me, she wouldn’t make a bbbj, but she covered me quite fast and gave me a very good and very strong bj, we then started the real thing, and went in missionary, doggy, on side, on angle, cow-girl, what the hell do i remember? she was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me, and always asking for deeper and stronger, moaning, asking for french kisses, she wanted me to spank her (i don’t like that), she spanked me a couple of times, wanted to suck my fingers, .
then, she asked to be fucked in front of the mirror opening her legs like a porno star. .
well, i don’t know how i could stand that treatment for almost 30 minutes, but i did and consider that as an authentic exploit!
then, of course, i came very strongly, shouting for this incredible achievement and remaining totally breathless.
i asked for 1 or 2 minutes rest as i was really exhausted.
we then went for a short shower, ask for pictures => no, got dressed and i left the place to return to my hotel.
that will remain as one of the best fuck i ever had had in my life.
boys, you know her now.
i recommend her very much.
one last thing, when i arrived (1am) to my (very nice) hotel almirante estelar (5 star in bocagrande), there was a guy registering with a 10.
i asked the receptionist if they had an extra charge for visitors and he told me that no if the visitor would leave the hotel before 5am.
this hotel is at a walking distance (15’? ) from the famous ldv.
i’ll try that next time.
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On the street, gringos do 'quick' conversion. You want to convert 20.000 COP into dollars. As a rule, a lot of gringos cut the number in half (10000) and remove the last three zeros. 20.000 COP is about $10. This is a quick and somewhat effective way of knowing what you've got for cash.
Of course, it is not completely accurate. If you want to make it more close to the real conversion rate you drop 10 percent from the 'final' number. 20.000 is closer to $9 than $10.
The good news is this has not changed that much over the past year and a half. That is, even though the dollar has significantly devalued against the Euro, it has not moved much against the peso. 20.000 COP was worth $8.73 in late October 2005 and it's worth $9.08 today.
I had conversation with one of the La Dolca Vita girls concerning negotiations and currencies. She was saying she would rather be paid in dollars than in pesos. This stumped me since I was thinking it really does not matter what you are paid in, it's all the same in the end. If I pay you 130.000 COP or $59 I've pretty much given you the same amount of money.
But that was not her point. Her point was that people negotiate in easy numbers and if she deals in pesos, she might cut a deal with a gringo for 200.000 COP which is $90, but if she deals in dollars, it's probably $100. I believe she was a little smarter than the average girl in LDV. Sexier, too.
In any case, if you are into negotiating positionally with these girls you might be at an advantage keeping this table in mind. It may let you flip between currencies more effectively.
trescinetos mil pesos.................300.000......$136
doscienetos cincuenta mil pesos..250.000......$113
cien dolares.............................100 dollars...220.250
doscienetos mil pesos................200.000......$90
ochenta..................................80 dollars....176.000
ciento cincuenta mil pesos.........150.000.......$68
sesenta dolares........................60 dollars....132.000
cien mil pesos..........................100.000......$45
cuarenta dolares......................40 dollars....88.000
cuarenta mil pesos...................40.000........$18
I think this can help. It might be easier for many of these girls to accept a number like ochenta mil pesos ($36) instead of cuarenta dolares ($40) since, of course, 80,000 sounds so much better than 40.
any truth to the rumor that this place is now closed???
Well in 2003 there was $7 USD to 20,000 COP so the dollar has taken a shit vs. the peso.
In August 2003 $2847 COP= $1USD
Last week $2172 COP = $1USD
Thus the dollar has fallen 24% in four years.
But there is a bright side, we no longer have to worry about Saddam.
Funny thing is we never needed to worry about him.
That's interesting. Currencies move around. If you take the five year picture, instead of the four, the decline is about 5 percent, since the dollar jumped from around 2300 to 2900 in 2002 and has been moving generally down since then.
Just to be clear. I'm not trying to bait a political discussion in the Cartagena thread. I was just trying to be helpful with some observations concerning girls and money in Cartagena.
My main point is that the readers here might benefit from an understanding of what the values are today, along with some Spanish numbers, which I think can be useful.
[QUOTE=Beavis]Well in 2003 there was $7 USD to 20,000 COP so the dollar has taken a shit vs. the peso.
In August 2003 $2847 COP= $1USD
Last week $2172 COP = $1USD
Thus the dollar has fallen 24% in four years.
But there is a bright side, we no longer have to worry about Saddam.
Funny thing is we never needed to worry about him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beavis]Well in 2003 there was $7 USD to 20,000 COP so the dollar has taken a shit vs. the peso....
In August 2003 $2847 COP= $1USD
Last week $2172 COP = $1USD[/QUOTE]
The rapid conversion is now: Take the "thousands" and divide by two i.e. drop the last three digits. If you want better accuracy, then subtract 10%.
So Jelly's rapid method is still pretty good!! (Thx. Jelly)
And, if anyone is interested, [URL]www.xe.com[/URL] is a pretty good site for currency conversions.
Suerte!
Polvo
This past Monday I was sitting outside La Dolce Vita on one of the benches, chatting with Milena. You generally find Milena from Barranquilla on the benches outside LDV. She wears short tight dresses which compliment her long slender legs. Since so many of the girls on the Colombian coast opt for jeans, the tight dress is a nice change of pace.
Milena may not be the prettiest girl and does not have large breasts. Still, she's got fine legs and a fine butt. From behind, she is entirely great. She looks excellent in those dresses.
Another great thing about her is, in my experience, she drives a soft bargain. Milena started negotiations with me for all night at 130.000 ($59).
Her last great selling point is she is very generous in terms of what you can do to her.
I first ran into her in December last year, in the same spot, but earlier this month I saw her working on the main strip in Bocagrande. So, she moves around a little.
I've never seen her in La Dolce Vita, she claims she can get in, but often thinks it's too cold and likes to stay outside.
This was the case on Monday night. There were a lot of girls leaving the disco for the benches outside. Air conditioning is a curse on Coastenas, that's for sure. The coastal Colombian girls can not deal with it and there were a lot of them hanging outside.
While we were sitting there the administrator of LDV (who is also the owner at Electra) walked through the plaza and, sizing up the situation, snapped his fingers and ordered the girls back into disco. He has serious power with the girls. All that tight young tail immediately marched back inside with a snap of his fingers.
There were three hot girls on the bench next to where Milena and I was sitting. It was damn hard to focus on anything when those three move across the plaza. For a moment, I was thinking I should just drop short my conversation with Milena and cut a deal with those three girls. God they looked fine in those jeans as they walked back inside.
The thing is that Milena looks just as good from behind. And, unlike the hottest of chicas in La Dolce Vita, I know she's softer on bargaining and is generally submissive.
My guess is you could talk her down from 130.000 COP TLN, but it's a pretty fair price for what you get and the fact that she starts off in reasonable negotiating territory is just plain pleasant.
Anyway, I went with her on Monday. I brought her up to the place I was staying, showed her the various views from the windows. While she was checking out the last vista, I stood behind her. I pulled up her dress and pulled down her panties. No troublesome jeans!
After getting her wet, I started screwing her. Flipped her onto a table after a few minutes and did her in the ass. I don't think she was very happy about this. I tried to be gentle about the whole thing, but from the noises she was making it was not going smoothly. Still, she did not ask me to stop, even when I gave her the opportunity and asked her if everything was going okay. She just held onto the table a little harder and let me know she was okay.
This is the sort of thing you can not easily work out in a negotiation beforehand. Even if you know how to ask for something off the menu, it's still a complicated thing. A lot of girls, if they try it, will stop you if things get uncomfortable. Not Milena. She's a pro.
Anyway, if your feeling down because some hot little chica in the disco is holding fast to some unreasonable price and your not sure if she's going to give 100 percent, I hope you will remember Milena is probably nearby and she is ready to help.
Ok here is my take on exchange rate. As stated before, Divide by 2 then divide by 1000. You actually end up spending even less than estimated. This is a good thing. For instance.... 60,000 divided by 2 = 30,000. Then divide by 1000....This is about 30 bucks. Yeah!!! but if you take the actual exchange rate, lets say... 2280 to one, the the actual amount spent is really 26.31. You spent about 4 bucks less than estimated. So just divide by 2 then remove the three zeros and it is easy and in you favor. Cool huh?
Caroline is twenty years old. She comes from Bucaramanga. She is one of the more attractive girls who normally works in LDV, generally picking up customers faster and charging more for her time. She tends to attract Italians and sometimes earns serious tips - one seemingly rich Italian was moving a good bit of money to her in January. He had gone home after a couple of weeks in Cartagena, time spent almost entirely with Caroline. He started sending her money once he got home. "You're not working anymore are you?".
She is not the most honest person. She drinks a lot and does drugs. This is the hooker your mother warned you about.
I've talked with her a bit and she is the friend of a friend. It's funny the responses she gives me when I ask certain questions:
"What do you do with your money? "School, my kid brother, my mother....."
But when I talk with my friend about her, it sounds like nearly all her money is going into clothes, shoes, jewellery, perfumes, rent and so forth. She's vain and it's clear she does not value something unless there's a convincing brand stamped on it. No big surprises there. It explains how Studio F is able to stay in business in a town where clothes are basically cheap. We've gone out to eat a couple of times. She's very focused on where we eat, not so much on what we're eating.
Still, she does mind the shop. I've never slept with her, it would tick off my friend, but I know when she's in Cartagena she works the venues every night she can. The fact that guys repeat night-after-night with her is a strong endorsement; she's got to be doing something to keep these guys happy. Sometimes you'll see her during the day in the punto.com cafe trawling the internet dating prospects. She has boyfriends everywhere as far as I can tell.
When I was talking with her in January she was planning a repeat trip to Hong Kong. She had spent some time there last year; she works with a guy who creates false documentation for her. It's expensive, both the documentation and the trip itself. She flies Bogota, Paris and then Hong Kong. Still, according to her, she can make up her expenses with a couple of weeks in Hong Kong. It's pretty wild. I mean it's one thing to get on a bus from Bucaramanga to Cartagena. Hong Kong is a whole different thing. She doesn't really speak much English or French or, of course, any Chinese. I think she spent a few months working there last year. She hates it, but it's good money.
But I was recently talking with our common friend and it sounds like the Hong Kong plan fell through this year. Since the documentation is false and the ticket is so expensive, it's risky for her. If she pays for both and does not make it to Hong Kong she's lost a lot of money with no quick way of earning it back. So, I think she was not happy with the documentation this time, got nervous and bailed out of the China idea.
My friend thinks she is currently in Panama, where she can earn better money than in Cartagena.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Caroline is twenty years old. She comes from Bucaramanga. .[/QUOTE]Ahh Caroline.
I saw that name then the tatto and I said to myself yep that's her.
Had the pleasure of her from Tony in August.
You describe her perfectly. She has been around the block a few times. I highly doubt she is only 20 but I could be wrong. She is always wearing a hat. She loves her hats.
Performance - excellent. You dudced well. For someone who works day after day after day she is a champ in bed.
Only had a short time afternoon session but I though it would be a hardened pro performance - not at all!! DFK-awesome body. Thumbs up.
I have pic but I do not know if she wants her face up here so I will refrain unless Jelly says no problem.
Hi Jelly Doughnut,
I am headed to CTG next week, this Milena sounds like the sort of girl who I would like to meet. I.E. not overtly mercinary
Can you describe her in more detail for me so I can identify her ? I.E. is she a flaca or does she have a Tattoo etc etc.
A picture would be great!
JN
[QUOTE=Steve 99]Ahh Caroline.
I saw that name then the tatto and I said to myself yep that's her.
Had the pleasure of her from Tony in August.
You describe her perfectly. She has been around the block a few times. I highly doubt she is only 20 but I could be wrong. She is always wearing a hat. She loves her hats.
Performance - excellent. You dudced well. For someone who works day after day after day she is a champ in bed.
Only had a short time afternoon session but I though it would be a hardened pro performance - not at all!! DFK-awesome body
I have pic but I do not know if she wants her face up here so I will refrain unless Jelly says no problem.[/QUOTE] Post the pic! She works for Tony she is hardcore and doesn't give a shit....probably wants it for business!
Milena is a thin girl - "flaca". No tattoos. She does have a kid, but it's not that obvious from the tight dresses she wears. She is coastena. In her case, that means she has somewhat brown skin without being African. Brown hair. She does not smoke. I don't think she drinks. I think, currently, there are only two flaca regulars outside the disco. The other is Angelina (Zidaho posted pics of Angelina on 11-10-06 in the Colombia Photo Gallery). Apparently, Angelina is no longer able to get into La Dolce Vita. I think she would be a good deal as well, inexpensive and willing.
After 3am, when LDV closes, Angelina moves business to a bar next to the Tu Candela bar. This might be a good option for guys looking for cheap late night entertainment.
Many of the other girls outside LDV, during club hours, are not my type.
I really should have a picture of Milena up against a wall in one of those dresses, but I don't. We had a conversation once about mixing photographs with this business. I like her and I was going on about how she should never do it, because it's something she would probably need to explain to her grandchild. I went on about how these photos aren't going to go away. Thousands and thousands of guys see these things, there going to be around forever and so on. She was nodding her head knowingly.....
So, I don't have any shots of her.
Still, she might help you out if that's your thing.
Also, feel free to use the informal "Donut" when addressing me, as we are all friends here.
[QUOTE=Jim Nelson]Hi Jelly Doughnut,
I am headed to CTG next week, this Milena sounds like the sort of girl who I would like to meet. I.E. not overtly mercinary
Can you describe her in more detail for me so I can identify her ? I.E. is she a flaca or does she have a Tattoo etc etc.
A picture would be great!
JN[/QUOTE]
That's funny. I was thinking when I typed out "Caroline is twenty years old" that what I ought to say is "Caroline says she is twenty." I don't think that is too far off, the way she lives is hard and fast, but she will always lie if she thinks it's good for business.
My understanding is the cut-off age for girls in LDV is 26; you should not find girls over 26 in that disco. I don't know how true that is, but thinking about it, it seems to fit with reality.
In terms of photos, the stuff I took of her was for some internet boyfriend(s). I was doing a favor for her and for my friend. So, I never ask if she would mind having them posted here. I feel like I can post a relatively anonymous photograph, but never got the word on more explicit stuff.
[QUOTE=Steve 99]Ahh Caroline.
I saw that name then the tatto and I said to myself yep that's her.
Had the pleasure of her from Tony in August.
You describe her perfectly. She has been around the block a few times. I highly doubt she is only 20 but I could be wrong. She is always wearing a hat. She loves her hats.
Performance - excellent. You dudced well. For someone who works day after day after day she is a champ in bed.
Only had a short time afternoon session but I though it would be a hardened pro performance - not at all!! DFK-awesome body. Thumbs up.
I have pic but I do not know if she wants her face up here so I will refrain unless Jelly says no problem.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mule69]Post the pic! She works for Tony she is hardcore and doesn't give a shit....probably wants it for business![/QUOTE]You're right mule69, be careful with this Santanderiana as she can become 'sticky'. I had a few good, not super, sessions with her. Once I asked for a treesome she agreed and proposed me a couple of girls with whom she wanted to make it. Once it bedroom she started making problems as she felt emontionally undervalued. Can you imagine, the *****? She left the bedroom and thanks god, the second girl performed so good I didn't regret for not having a treesome. Afterwards Caroline felt guilty on her behaviour and to apologise she fucked me as hell till the morning. She insisted not to pay her. After that night that she tried to hook me at LDV again, sometimes sweet, sometimes agressively. I never had her again.
I wouldn't recommend her and if you choose her, don't treat her too well.
Last Sunday I was up at 4:30am and decided to head over to Electra. The pronunciation is somewhat different in Spanish, so with minor difficulties, I was able to make the trip from Laguito over to the club by 5:00am. A quick trip; I think it cost me 10.000 COP (a little over $4) to get over there, but I'm not sure.
Electra is tighter quarters than La Dolce Vita. More smoke. The girls there are, in subjective terms, not as nice on average as the girls in LDV, although there is a lot of cross-over. Electra opens around the time LDV closes. I think there was a group of four regular hotties from LDV working a corner of the place.
One of them was Alexandra - she has very large fake breasts, 'blonde' hair and can often be seen during the day around Loco Gringo and punto.com cafe. The girls with her were cute paisa-like, brunettes with light skin, but I think they are locals. They left Electra around 5:30am without any business. I've dealt with some of them in the past, one of them wanted money up-front. No joy there. I think they may hit up gringos for big money, short-term stuff, and they stick to that game plan. I don't know.
I left with Esther a 23 year old nursing student from Barranquilla. Short and classic coastal brown, a non-smoker with no plastic surgery. The trip back to Laguito cost 5.000 COP. The normal rate. She pointed out Esther is a "bad" girl in the Bible, but for better and worse, this Esther could use a few pointers on bad behavior. Unremarkable sex - not bad, but nothing to write home about. I really wanted her to go directly after screwing her, but she "kind of" slept a bit, so I took the attached photo and did her again.
She stayed until 8:30am. It turns out she is living in the building "Los Angeles" which is the building Riquisimo BBQ is located in, the default dining location for many gringos in Laguito. She pays 15.000 COP (shy of $8) daily in a space she shares with two other women. Pretty decent for Laguito, eh?
Interestingly and pleasantly, she did not want to go back to her apartment dressed for night work. A signal that she is a regular girl, still holding onto some shame over her work. She called one of her roomates who brought over some street clothes. They left together.
I overpaid her. 200.000 COP since we had no discussion of money beforehand and I did not want to discuss it after. I wanted her to leave happy, which she did. Not the least expensive way to go though, which one key reason why you would go to Electra in the early morning.
As far as I could tell, there were little or no gringos at Electra and many Colombians. From a negotiating point-of-view, it's ripe territory. Esther made a point of underscoring she was a pro when we left; this was obvious to me; I had talked with her for maybe five minutes and did not dance with her at all before telling her I was going and she should come along. I sort of think, if I had spent more time romancing the situation we could have pretended the whole thing was not P4P. I do think that could have happened, but honestly in the end it was nice to kick her out and get on with my day.
Since then I've seen her once in LDV at night and once in front of Riquisimo, with some friends, in the mid-afternoon.
[QUOTE=Mule69]Post the pic! She works for Tony she is hardcore and doesn't give a shit....probably wants it for business![/QUOTE]For Mule:
Caroline with her many hats!
[QUOTE=Steve 99]For Mule:
Caroline with her many hats![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the pic!I guess you have to go thru Tony to see her?
Here's a questions for all you lucky Cartagena regulars. Where exactly is the infamous Tony the tout on the beach (i.e. in front of what building or store)? If I sit down in one of his chairs during my May visit to CTG, how many chicas will he be able to show me? Are they all the same quality as Caroline, who is pictured in recent posts? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Last Sunday I was up at 4:30am and decided to head over to Electra. The pronunciation is somewhat different in Spanish, so with minor difficulties, I was able to make the trip from Laguito over to the club by 5:00am. A quick trip; I think it cost me 10.000 COP (a little over $4) to get over there, but I'm not sure.
Electra is tighter quarters than La Dolce Vita. More smoke. The girls there are, in subjective terms, not as nice on average as the girls in LDV, although there is a lot of cross-over. Electra opens around the time LDV closes. I think there was a group of four regular hotties from LDV working a corner of the place.
One of them was Alexandra - she has very large fake breasts, 'blonde' hair and can often be seen during the day around Loco Gringo and punto.com cafe. The girls with her were cute paisa-like, brunettes with light skin, but I think they are locals. They left Electra around 5:30am without any business. I've dealt with some of them in the past, one of them wanted money up-front. No joy there. I think they may hit up gringos for big money, short-term stuff, and they stick to that game plan. I don't know.
I left with Esther a 23 year old nursing student from Barranquilla. Short and classic coastal brown, a non-smoker with no plastic surgery. The trip back to Laguito cost 5.000 COP. The normal rate. She pointed out Esther is a "bad" girl in the Bible, but for better and worse, this Esther could use a few pointers on bad behavior. Unremarkable sex - not bad, but nothing to write home about. I really wanted her to go directly after screwing her, but she "kind of" slept a bit, so I took the attached photo and did her again.
She stayed until 8:30am. It turns out she is living in the building "Los Angeles" which is the building Riquisimo BBQ is located in, the default dining location for many gringos in Laguito. She pays 15.000 COP (shy of $8) daily in a space she shares with two other women. Pretty decent for Laguito, eh?
Interestingly and pleasantly, she did not want to go back to her apartment dressed for night work. A signal that she is a regular girl, still holding onto some shame over her work. She called one of her roomates who brought over some street clothes. They left together.
I overpaid her. 200.000 COP since we had no discussion of money beforehand and I did not want to discuss it after. I wanted her to leave happy, which she did. Not the least expensive way to go though, which one key reason why you would go to Electra in the early morning.
As far as I could tell, there were little or no gringos at Electra and many Colombians. From a negotiating point-of-view, it's ripe territory. Esther made a point of underscoring she was a pro when we left; this was obvious to me; I had talked with her for maybe five minutes and did not dance with her at all before telling her I was going and she should come along. I sort of think, if I had spent more time romancing the situation we could have pretended the whole thing was not P4P. I do think that could have happened, but honestly in the end it was nice to kick her out and get on with my day.
Since then I've seen her once in LDV at night and once in front of Riquisimo, with some friends, in the mid-afternoon.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience with Esther back in february, Picked her up in Electra as well.
Tony is on the section of beach called Hollywood. Hollywood is the only section of beach in Laguito facing open water. He will find you, if you look at all foriegn he will see you before you see him - unless he's on his cell, or working another client - those are the only times I've been able to slip past him. He speaks some English and he is very aggressive in terms of wanting to help you.
In my opinion, any girl Tony can get for you, you can get for yourself. There are a handful of chicas that can generally be found from mid-day and on into the early evening either near the front the building "Atlantis" or across the street near the store in the "Mariaare" building. This is toward the Hilton side of town. Of course, they do move around a bit, but they seem to hang out the most in front of those places. This is more true toward evening.
One of these girls, Tatyana, has nice breasts, great eyes and gives authentic deep-throat head. Some of these girls are "officially" barred from some of the apartment buildings. If you talk with Tony, and need a girl quick, these are often the first girls he calls.
Girls like Caroline, Alejandra and such are not as aggressive during the day. You can find them at LDV at night, but if you just sit down at one of the tables in the Loco Gringo/punto.com section of town for lunch you might end up in a conversation with a girl like that. As I mentioned earlier, I think Caroline is in Panama right now. So, I don't think Tony can get her for you anyway.
In my opinion, it's nicer to sit at the restaurante "El Muelle" on Playa Laguito. This beach is around the corner from Hollywood, the restaurante with two floors and big yellow Aguilla umbrellas. Or if you are feeling more mellow, the less obvious "Genova" is less costly and gives you a great vantage point for people coming and going off Playa Laguito. Your chances with any of the girls you see hanging out at any tables are better than you might think, but of course you may end up talking with regular folks.
For instance, I had an interesting conversation last year with a woman and her niece in El Muelle. The woman spoke English and our entire conversation was in English; she lives in the United States. Her niece is Colombian and only spoke Spanish. We talked for a while, just a normal everyday pleasant coversation. The niece did not really participate. After a time, they got up and left. After a few minutes, the niece came back alone and invited me to join them on a bus tour of the city that night. Bus tours are just drinking parties on wheels.
The niece was cute, but I could not join them since I was scheduled with a hot chica that night. The invitation was nice. This is one type of interaction you can expect in a spot like that during the day. It's a nice thing, it's a nice thing about Colombia and Colombians, but not straight sex tourism. No clear quid-pro-quo, but I believe it is a much better way to spend your day than dealing with Tony. If nothing comes of it, you still have a sure thing waiting for you in one of the clubs at night.
Still, Tony is worth experiencing, I guess. If you need a quick fix, don't speak any Spanish and don't mind paying a little more for some quality BS he's an option.
[QUOTE=Acuerpado]Here's a questions for all you lucky Cartagena regulars. Where exactly is the infamous Tony the tout on the beach (i.e. in front of what building or store)? If I sit down in one of his chairs during my May visit to CTG, how many chicas will he be able to show me? Are they all the same quality as Caroline, who is pictured in recent posts? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
p.s. Here's a picture of a couple of girls who turned up while I was talking with Tony in mid-January. These girls work the streets of Laguito. Not all the girls he's got in his rolodex are like Caroline.
Sorry if this info is already known by many, But I Hadn't seen it mentioned for a while, but I've been told by Big J___ In CR last month, and he sold his property in El Laguito, and has given up on any plans there!
Many fearfull may relax.
Later, or Pronto??
The demise of fat John from the del rey in laquito makes my day.
Good mongering to all!,
Can anyone tell me the better places to stay in CTG? Will be making my first trip there later this month. Would like to stay in an area that is relatively safe, where there are a good amount of none pro and good looking females and finally where there is a good amount of activity and things to do. Does anyone have any advice? Right now I have a place reserved in Laguito. Are there other areas better?
What no Tony Lama Butch? I guess his cowboy boots wouldn't go too well with the sand huh?
[QUOTE=Belmont]Sorry if this info is already known by many, But I Hadn't seen it mentioned for a while, but I've been told by Big J___ In CR last month, and he sold his property in El Laguito, and has given up on any plans there!
Many fearfull may relax.
Later, or Pronto??[/QUOTE]I have never met the guy, but I heard he was buying up a few properties in Lguito.
Do you have any idea why he left?
Hunter
Aw shit Beavis, you beat me to the punch.
He never even arrived and I already miss him. It's really too bad it didn't happen. A few loudmouths splattered on the sidewalk would have moved the time backwards in CTG.
[QUOTE=Hunter] but I heard he was buying up a few properties in Lguito.
Hunter[/QUOTE]John took me out to lunch at a fancy restaurant near the marina. We had some good steaks and beers. He had a driver and a large pickup truck with large cab. John told me he owned the block in Laguito where the art museum / gallery was, a block or two from LDV. He even complained that the art gallery was behind in their rent and he was going to evict them.
He talked about buying some condos there too. Seems he was making an awful lot of money from the Del Rey in Costa Rica and needed a place to stash it.
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[b]Can anyone tell me the better places to stay in Cartagena?[/b]
Laguito will suit you. It's a safe part of town.
[b]I will be making my first trip to Cartagena later this month. Would like to stay in an area that is relatively safe, where there are a good amount of non-pro and good looking females. Does anyone have any advice?[/b]
The answer depends on who you are - here are some reports from a guy in his 20's, a guy in his '30's' and a guy in his 50's. They all have different backgrounds and had different experiences.
20s & 30s
Atlantas Finest's posts are a couple of years old, but are some of the best written on the scene from a young guy who mixed pro and non-pro in Cartagena. He is in his twenties, knows Spanish and so forth - he has almost everything a guy needs to work the beachs of Bocogrande and Laguito. Here are his reports:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=363960&postcount=777[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=390131&postcount=932[/url]
30s & 40s
Black Page is a stand-up guy for posting the report below. He's got 10 years on Atlanta's Finest, but still worked the beaches. But I believe there's a cautionary tale here. It does not make sense to me that a person would give 170.000 to a "non-pro" for a two-hour session off the beach. I have sat on the beach and watched girls go from being "non-pro" to being "pro" with a shift of the eye. I remember a conversation with a pro I met last year in LDV. She had grown attached to me. She lamented "I wish we had just met on the beach, everthing would be different." At any rate, BP's beach girl got a lot of money and BP walked away very content, so it was a happy ending for all involved:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=537700&postcount=1768[/url]
40s & 50s & up
If you are older, Erudite44's post might help. He's flirting with girls in the markets of the old city. By far, I get the most hungry eyes from girls who clearly have regular jobs in the shops of the old city:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=560995&postcount=154[/url]
[b]What kind of things are there to do in Cartagena?[/b]
This is a big question and depends on who you are and what sort of things you enjoy.
Cartagena is a classic Spanish colonial city. If you spring for a guide book it should give you a complete idea of the standard tourist venues.
Personally, it's a fantastic location for kiteboarding between January and March.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=559920&postcount=1892[/url]
[b]Where exactly is the infamous Tony the tout on the beach (i.e. in front of what building or store)?[/b]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=581839&postcount=2002[/url]
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[b]What should I pay her?[/b]
This is one of the most discussed topics on the thread. Some people have strong opinions about it. In March 2007 there was a discussion comparing prices in Medellin against prices in Cartagena. Here's one of the posts.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=574642&postcount=1944[/url]
Here's another.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=574565&postcount=1943[/url]
[b]Is Cartagena in decline as a whoring destination?[/b]
Apparently. The first report of Cartagena going down hill was in May 2003.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=85643&postcount=82[/url]
...although it may have been on the way down from 1994.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=574721&postcount=1948[/url]
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[b]Counterfeit Bills[/b]
"be careful i received a counterfeit 20k, 10k AND 5K note, not all on the same trip but each time I go I get at least one! usually from a cab driver"
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=575474&postcount=1973[/url]
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[b]Does anyone know when Holy Week starts in Colombia? Will everything be closed? Is this a bad time to go?[/b]
Holy week starts on Palm Sunday. There are two official holidays between Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday, Holy Thursday and Good Friday. The date for Easter Sunday changes from year to year, it is the first Sunday, after the first full moon of spring. In 2008, Easter will be March 23. In 2009, Easter will be April 12.
[QUOTE=Hunter]I have never met the guy, but I heard he was buying up a few properties in Lguito.
Do you have any idea why he left?
Hunter[/QUOTE]
Rumor was there was a restriction on how high he could build from his lot in Laguito, but I do not know. It seems this sort of thing would have been understood ahead of buying the land.
I hope this means the Perro Hawaino stand is coming back. I think that got nuked when that lot was sold.
[QUOTE=Belmont]Sorry if this info is already known by many, But I Hadn't seen it mentioned for a while, but I've been told by Big J___ In CR last month, and he sold his property in El Laguito, and has given up on any plans there!
Many fearfull may relax.
Later, or Pronto??[/QUOTE] Glad to hear that !My friend talked to his partner Greg R. and he basicaly said the same thing, no Del Rey 2 in Ctg.
What a shame? No Blue Marlin Bar T - shirts from Colombia.
and no more texans on hollywood beach in speedos. tony the tout must be in mourning, for the del rey in ctg, was his ticket to paradise. farc may not be happy either, for they cannot grab the rich texan with the ostrich boots and rolexes, shit....... that might have been fun to watch.....................
His plans of converting the silver tooth to a gold one have dissipated along with his order of Miller Lite beer.
Jelly Donut,
Thanks for the info. That helps alot. I definately have a better idea how I will probably be fitting in. Looking forward to my trip. I will try to follow in Altanta's Finest foot steps. I don't know, he has a few years on me, but I got the looks and the language and they tend to think I am still in my mid twenties. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Excellent. Have fun, don't fall in love.
Let us know how things go.
[QUOTE=Cappadona]Jelly Donut,
Thanks for the info. That helps alot. I definately have a better idea how I will probably be fitting in. Looking forward to my trip. I will try to follow in Altanta's Finest foot steps. I don't know, he has a few years on me, but I got the looks and the language and they tend to think I am still in my mid twenties. I'll let you know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cappadona]Jelly Donut,
Thanks for the info. That helps alot. I definately have a better idea how I will probably be fitting in. Looking forward to my trip. I will try to follow in Altanta's Finest foot steps. I don't know, he has a few years on me, but I got the looks and the language and they tend to think I am still in my mid twenties. I'll let you know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]
Capp - Are you in Cartagena now? I was just at the LDV tonight, left with a nice looking babe from Barranquilla. Not many mongers in there tonight but filled with many fine looking chicas. Just wondering how you made out. PM me if you'd like.
[QUOTE=Beavis]He never even arrived and I already miss him. It's really too bad it didn't happen. A few loudmouths splattered on the sidewalk would have moved the time backwards in CTG.[/QUOTE]
Hey Beavis, there are a couple of guys on the CRT board with their panties all bunched up because we are making remarks about Tony Lama Butch. Tony lama Butch is still an idol to the CRT ( costa rica ticas) crowd.
Let them whine all they want to. It isn't our fault that they are obnoxious and haven't a clue how to behave in another country. I still wish a couple of these loudmouth assholes would go to Colombia and wind up with an ass whipping like they deserve. I think it would be great if they found Tony lama Butch butt naked on the beach, tied up and gaged, bleeding from the asshole after he had been repeatedly butt fucked by a gang of rebels that didn't like his attitude towards their country. I think that would make a great headline for any newspaper.
"Loudmouth American beaten and sodomized by rebels".
Costa Rica is such a beautiful country but I stopped going there because of the kind of idiots who frequent the terrain.
P.S. You have my permission to cut and paste this on their website.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Hey Beavis, there are a couple of guys on the CRT board with their panties all bunched up because we are making remarks about Tony Lama Butch. Tony lama Butch is still an idol to the CRT ( costa rica ticas) crowd.[/QUOTE]I was the one at CRT that first made a comment about the loss of TLButch because there won't be another Delrey in CTG, noting that there was a lot of schadenfreude going on here. It seems that TLB represents the loud, Hawaiian shirt, shorts, sandals, overweight crowd that can be seen at the DR. Here's my latest:
[QUOTE=]uhh...do you have a single clue as to what schadenfreude means? If you had went over to ISG and had read the posts, the mongers there were equally delighted (actually much more so, and much more crudely so) that there won't be another Del Rey in CTG.
Schadenfreude: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude[/url][/QUOTE]
Whats up guys, I don't normally post but am bored and thought this would be a good story. Mind you I speak no spanish and it was my first night in Cartegena with my boy Aybolit. After we went to a casa to celebrate our first night in Cartegena we went to LDV. I noticed a cute little chica from Baranquilla and told her friend who speaks 3 words of English to tell her friend that I liked her. With my como estas, and tu es bonita and after 5 beers we were dancing and she was rubbing up against me all night. I think I got more lap dances from her in those 3 hours than I did all my life. At 3a. M. We went to another non pro club in the old city. I thought I was gonna get hijacked because I had no clue where we were going, I couldn't even tell the taxi where to go. After that she dragged me to another club where all the ho's meet after LDV and sniff coke and party together. I was so horny that I started regreting not paying some chick to bang me and going with this crazy chick. Around 5a. M. I had my boy translate to her that I'm taking her home, and with her little be/S resistance I dragged her into the car and we went towards my hotel. In the taxi I started attacking her and grabing her and she started jumping on me, and jerking me off and squeezing my balls and penis, whatever her little hand could grab. The taxi guy was smilling and adjusting his mirror (No be/S) In the end I somehow ended up with her in my room and banged her a few times (No money, and no Spanish). She wasn't good but it was a good memory. Two days later she shows up at my hotel room door at 9A. M.
Thank god I wasn't with another chick. In the end I realized she was psycho, and when we did it I slapped her around a few times, and she smacked me back, I think she liked that rough stuff. Anyway my boy Aybolit decided he wanted to bang her, but I don't know if she wanted him or she was mad at me for not saying "I don't want you to go with him and stay with me" Anyway I told her it was her choice but didn't restrain her and as my boy was in my room trying to take her with him she jumped on me and dragged me into the bathroom and blew me on the spot. If she wasn't so crazy I would have chilled with her longer, but I let her go. She banged my boy, and I never saw her again. Welcome to Cartagena! I will never forget it.