Walkabout is on Street 51 at Street 174. Shanghai is one block to the north.
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Walkabout is on Street 51 at Street 174. Shanghai is one block to the north.
Has anyone stayed at the Hotel Castle on St. 148 across the road from DV8 bar?
Basically I want to know if it's GF. I spent a couple nights there in early January but didn't bring anyone back. Nice place though and a stone's throw from the river.
[url]http://www.hotelcastle.com.kh/index.html[/url]
Walking from each one is less than 1 minute.
I really didnt like Walkabout the ppl in there looked real scum balls also over rd from Shanghai is black cat also nice clean girls but all depends what you want or if you like playing Russian Roulette !!!
Does anyone know of a good Massage place close to Flamingo's. It doesn't matter if they offer extras or not as I'm really just looking for a normal massage.
Last time when I used the "in house" massage service the girl who came was smokin hot, but she didn't know the first thing about giving a proper massage. Her game was merely trying to upsell me into a ST only problem was she wanted $30 and wouldn't budge from that price.
I'll be in PP for 5-7 days and can't give up my daily massages!
[QUOTE=Ibeme]Does anyone know of a good Massage place close to Flamingo's. It doesn't matter if they offer extras or not as I'm really just looking for a normal massage.
Last time when I used the "in house" massage service the girl who came was smokin hot, but she didn't know the first thing about giving a proper massage. Her game was merely trying to upsell me into a ST only problem was she wanted $30 and wouldn't budge from that price.
I'll be in PP for 5-7 days and can't give up my daily massages![/QUOTE]
Cambodia doesn't really have the institutionalized massage tradition that Thailand has, nor the schools to teach it. A true, professional massage is difficult to find in PP but if you walk around some of the side streets near the Central marked (Psar Themi) and look for very simple signs, you can sometimes get a decent rub.
Some of the upscale hotels such as the Cambodiana probably have decent but very expensive massage "Spas".
[QUOTE=Ibeme]Does anyone know of a good Massage place close to Flamingo's. It doesn't matter if they offer extras or not as I'm really just looking for a normal massage.
Last time when I used the "in house" massage service the girl who came was smokin hot, but she didn't know the first thing about giving a proper massage. Her game was merely trying to upsell me into a ST only problem was she wanted $30 and wouldn't budge from that price.
I'll be in PP for 5-7 days and can't give up my daily massages![/QUOTE]
Wow. Clearly you are not yet in PP. The best legitimate massage place that I have been to (several) is right across the street from the Flamingo. Oil massage $10 for an hour and a half, $6 for the hour. Number 15 gives me the best massage so far.
Originally Posted by Ibeme
Does anyone know of a good Massage place close to Flamingo's. It doesn't matter if they offer extras or not as I'm really just looking for a normal massage.
For a good massage by a trained Masseuse try Seeing Hands Massage. They get their name from the fact that all the Masseuse are blind and have being trained in massage to make a living. They Have locations in Phnom Penh, Siem Reap and Sihanoukville.
You will have to find them on your own as all I remember is they were by the Post Office just past the wood fired pizza place on the right.
You may want to get a male Masseuse as the women I got gave to light of a massage for my taste.
Remember to get your directions from a Brang. NEVER trust a moto driver they will tell you "I Know I Know where, get on" I use to ask them if they knew what day it is? Half the time I got the old response "I Know I Know where get on."
[QUOTE=Oyster Lover]For a good massage by a trained Masseuse try Seeing Hands Massage. They get their name from the fact that all the Masseuse are blind and have being trained in massage to make a living. They Have locations in Phnom Penh, Siem Reap and Sihanoukville.
You will have to find them on your own as all I remember is they were by the Post Office just past the wood fired pizza place on the right.[/QUOTE]They are also in Battambang and Kampot and I am sure in many other towns across Cambodia. Good massage is to be had. Never seen anyone I would like to take to the next step however, them being blind could be a real advantage.
Generally massage in Cambodia is crap compared to Thailand.
They (seeing hands.) have a massage parlor just east of flamingo on the same side of the street. I paid 5 $ an hour and it was a good massage. And yes they are blind and funny too. Recommended!
There are many branches of seeing hands massage in PP. One that springs to mind fastest in the vicinity is on 178 near riverside. There is another on the same street as Flamingo (172) near street 19. Just walk east a few blocks and you'll find it. It does give the blind a way to make money in Cambodia, so it is a good cause, and it is a bit cheaper than the one near the Flamingo.
However, I have found the massage itself to be better at the shop I recommended near the Flamingo.
[QUOTE=Patterson]Walking from each one is less than 1 minute.
I really didnt like Walkabout the ppl in there looked real scum balls also over rd from Shanghai is black cat also nice clean girls but all depends what you want or if you like playing Russian Roulette !!![/QUOTE]Its not so simple to put a negative tag in walkabout, its open 24 hours, many freelancers, yes some look very bad, but i found one or two cuties, as many places its hit and miss, but the fact its an open space and you can simply look from the street who is inside, makes it an interesting option, specially for those staying in Flamingo.
Hi mongers,
I will stay from 12 April to 17 in PP.
Who knows some real chicken farms not so far outside of PP?
Send me pm
I will be happy
Best regards
McManiak
Well two nights in Bangkok. From past experience on this board I want to make it clear that I used two condoms and plenty of lube at all times, I never did BBBJ or kissed the girls. I think it is very very important to protect myself against the fast spreading all consuming pest of the modern time AIDS. I have heard from NGOs that you almost certainly will get AIDS if you have unprotected sex in Asia. I also find it important that we as punters preach the holy gospel of the condom to any and everyone amen!
Arrived late afternoon and booked into New York hotel. Went down to Walkabout to find my diamond teethed beauty from last visit. No luck. Found a Khmer girl around early 20 to take back to my hideout for a good roll in the sack. She was good value, not like miss diamond, but ok. Two pops with plenty of passion for a flat $10 plus $2 tip for the moto. This one called Spewy or something like that was skinny, a bit cold but was a decent performer.
I had a good rest and made it to the Doll house for a few drinks before going to the Heart. The Doll house is where Hooters used to be. The Dollhouse is a hostess bar like so many others, trying to get you to drink more and begging for lady drinks. Just not my scene. I was in the Heart of Darkness around midnight where at first it seemed a bit light on talent.
I ended up with a sweetie for the night. Nothing special as far as performance is concerned but nice and considered. After the afternoons efforts sex did not have to be great, but we did some great spooning before a morning roll. We had the sad excuse for Breakfast served at the NY before Srey Karh left with the nights takings of $20. She did some nice wet kisses which made up for poor technical expertise with the bed antics.
I hired a motor for the day and went on my way. I prefer to be able to move around independently. Managed to make my way around a really bad smash near the big roundabout with the gun. Two cars and three motorbikes spread out on the road in a really bad way. I would not be surprised if at least one of them had died.
Next day I did a bit of tourism. Around noon had a quick visit to K11 a sad shadow of its former shelf. I was not offered anything I was remotely interested in. I saw a few NGO/ journalist types hanging around with cameras, wondered if they were on stakeout for creeps?
Next stop was Kien Svay. It was sad to realise that this venue also seem to have gone. The restaurants were still there, but no sign of action. Had a meal and enjoyed the area and made my way back to PP.
I had my afternoon entertainment with a cute little Viet in one of the massage joints next to the Japanese bridge. Well at first I had a look in Toul Kork which seemed deserted as far as P4P is concerned. From time to time there is goodies to be found in those shops, this one was so and so, a bit mechanical but ok.
A quick nap before I had dinner at the Walkabout. I still wanted to hook up with diamond girl, but she was nowhere to be found, I presumed she had gone long time with a customer. I had a few game of pool with some of the Yamma ho’s but found nothing that interested me. Went back to the room and had a nap before making it to Martini around 11 pm.
Not much excitement here. Selection ok, but not the best I have experienced. I sat outside and watched a stupid American movie when approached by one of the mamasans. I just see no reason to deal with them in a FL venue so I politely told her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. She did however have a girl I was interested in. A skinny viet with long, long hair and a fairly long and marked nose. Nice, I could imagine playing around with the firm and well shaped assets, but I will not deal with a mamasan.
I send her away but kept an eye on the girl. When mamasan was busy with trying to sell her goods to some other tourist I hurried over, did the deal quickly and we were on our way back on the motor cycle in no time. $25 for LT. That was a mistake. Never take a girl LT without adequate time for the interview. She was a hopeless starfish in the room. I did her once before going to sleep, at least before I went to sleep, she might have gone to sleep earlier than me, who knows. Next morning she started to move around 5 am to leave. Have to go now. I said ok, $10 ST, for $25 LT you get undressed and make me happy before you go. Well she did, but she might as well not have. I am not entirely sure but I understood her name to be Binh or something like that. So if AVOID a tall skinny Viet with very long hair and a strongly featured nose by the name of Binh at Martini you will regret her, absolute waste of time.
So I looked after a slight hang over for a few hours and when life returned to me I went for a ride to Bodin. Just for a look not for buying. I have not been there for a long time, and it seemed to have changed a fair bit. Never found any action but did not expect it that early in the morning. By the way it was interesting to see the fun park next to Hun Sen Park seem to have gone. That was a good place to take your love for the night.
I went back to Walkabout but still did not find my girl from last visit so I decide to go shopping at Soraya market. It was a bit after lunch. As I went up the escalators I saw two cute girls going down. They were both legal but only just. I turned around to go down but they obviously had the same intentions because they were going up for me. We finally met and decided to go to a ST hotel to develop the friendship. None of them spoke much English and I think they were new to the game.
We played tag teams where one would hide in the toilet while I would fuck the other and visa versa. It was very cute and almost innocent. Nice end to the trip. I doubt they have done too many barangs as they seemed a bit taken back with the size of the whole thing. Anyway really nice/
By the afternoon I was on the plane and back to the civilisation. Overall PP seems to be changing, but it is not only bad. There are still gems to be found, but not necessarily in the usual places. I will go looking for my girl from last time again, she did rock me, but I think it was lucky I did not find her this time, I could easily have been stuck with one girl. It is never wise.
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what did you have to give the 2 freelancers?
Just curious - coming over in 10 weeks or so
[QUOTE=Dinghy]what did you have to give the 2 freelancers?
Just curious - coming over in 10 weeks or so[/QUOTE]Money was not discussed before the deed. Paid $15 each after, they were cute and I think worth it. They were both happy, so I probably paid too much - well who cares.
15 is what I paid for LT out of walkabout but if cute enough, it's worth it :)
[QUOTE=Cepu19]Well two nights in Bangkok. From past experience on this board I want to make it clear that I used two condoms and plenty of lube at all times, I never did BBBJ or kissed the girls. I think it is very very important to protect myself against the fast spreading all consuming pest of the modern time AIDS. I have heard from NGOs that you almost certainly will get AIDS if you have unprotected sex in Asia. I also find it important that we as punters preach the holy gospel of the condom to any and everyone amen![/QUOTE]Come on man, you have made it to Cambodia and your still believing these scum mascarading as saints/NGO's? Their whole reason for being is to scare everyone in the world about aids and portray all mongers as child predators.
This is their entire form of job security, and they are hand in hand with the goverment. Believe that for sure. The Khemers are the biggest child predators in Cambodia, as the whole scene was created by and for them. But who the fuck do they put on the buses? The evil white sex-tourist, all portrayed as child predators, in addition they alienate the tourists who save their shitty little country from an endless downward spiral. While the borders KOH KRONG to be sure is the most corrupt crossing in the world. Bastards that change the price for all people and add on an additional 40% on top of the real visa cost. Of all the countries I have visited, I am totally unimpressed with the NGO's and the goverment of Cambodia.
Nonetheless I will continue to enjoy the fruits that grow their outside the frey of evil there, and spit at the NGO's I meet.
Oh, by the way, thanks for the report.
Cheers,
Hummer
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who knows where i can try sex with a virign girl in phnom penh? but must be adult, i don't want **** girl, of course if virigins at age 18 + exist in cambodia; does anybody know?
thanks for any info
I visited PP a couple of times in the past month, both times just one night.
The first time I started out visiting Casa's karaoke. Unlike past visits when that waiting room was full of girls (more than 50), this time it was less than 10, and nothing too inspiring in that group. This on a Saturday night about 8.30pm, which you'd think would be a busy time.
Went down to Martini. It seems like the overall talent has gone downhill here. I was lucky to spot one gorgeous girl in the pack. One guy after another kept approaching to chat her up, and then she was still there. Actually I left the club (quick visit to St 63, see below) and came back an hour later and she was still there and available. I walked over and started talking to her and the vibe felt very good. She was much prettier up close too. So we headed back to my place, and on the motorbike I asked her how much, not getting a straight answer. Finally in the room I asked again, and she said $80 long time. (WHAT?!?!?!) Now soon I was telling her that's crazy, how much I always pay, and at this point it hit me -- oh so THAT'S why all the guys were passing on her back at Martini. We ended up agreeing on $60 LT cuz she was just so delicious I was not going to pass this up. She ended up being the hottest thing I saw in either Cambodia or Bangkok on this trip. She was ok in bed too, when I was half expecting starfish style. She did what I asked for the BJ. Thin Cambodian girl with such a gorgeous face. Wish I'd gotten some pictures.
A few weeks later I returned to Phnom Penh. Early in the evening, I went to Street 63 to see what was up there. On my first visit, as I walked around there I was waved away by all the guys in front of the shops, saying No! No! This time the first shop did that but the next 2 did not. There is one shop on the other side of the street (west side) that has more girls, and in there I finally chose one and told the mama. Now anyone who's read this thread much knows that rip-offs are standard in these places, the old grab-pants-off-the-hook trick, it's automatic. So I had just the money I needed with me. Now the mama tells me Pay Now. When I start to suggest pay half now and half after, she just points to the door for me to get out. I mean, if I paid first, I don't see how I'm going to get satisfactory service in a place like this one. Ah well. If anyone has succeeded in having a good experience in one of these places, I'd be curious to hear how. If they really insist on payment up front, I guess you try to make it clear to the girl that you'll give her a nice tip for good service, that might work.
I visited a bunch of the bars in the 104 area and girls there don't seem like anything special. I prefer venues that give you more selection and the ability to be off on your own at a distance before choosing.
Back at Martini again, I went in hoping to run into the girl I'd gone with before, but she wasn't there this night. I kept waiting and waiting, keeping an eye out for a decent replacement from the ones who were there. She never did end up coming, and the replacements weren't measuring up (as long as I could picture my other girl in my mind, ugh). I left there when it was pretty full to check out other things around 11.30, returned about 12.45 again and the place was emptying out already, less than half as many people as earlier. When I walked around I saw that all the decent girls I'd seen earlier were taken already.
Unless I was there on a strange night, it seems as if you better catch a girl near midnight at Martini or they'll go quick after that.
Later I went to Heart of Darkness and spotted some of the girls who'd been at Martini before were now there. The one girl I made eyes at seemed very not into it -- I guess she had her eye on bigger fish now at HOD, not one of those horrible Martini type guys.
Finally, I also made stops at 2 discos: Manhattan/Holiday disco on the north side of town. Active, but it's SO dark you can't see anyone's faces there, so not an ideal pickup place. At the Casa disco, not far from there, it was the same (dark) only totally empty. I didn't feel like I needed to see more discos after these.
$60?! You paid much too much. You do no one a favor by paying these prices. I think the best way to deal with this is, as soon as you broach the subject of going to your room say, 'Okay, but I never pay more than $20 LT.' Don't even give her chance to name her price, and be prepared to walk if she balks at this. I've never had a girl turn me down using this method at Martini, and I've been with some pretty hot girls there.
[quote=algol2000]who knows where i can try sex with a virign girl in phnom penh? but must be adult, i don't want **** girl, of course if virigins at age 18 + exist in cambodia; does anybody know?
thanks for any info[/quote]why would you bother. you could get the same experience with a starfish from martini. i have taken a few cherries with girlfriends but it have never been the most exiting sex. if you get a virgin p4p not only is she going to be inexperienced but also shit scared. on top of that it will be expensive.
much better option is to get a refit. see if the window have been reinstalle you still get the feeling of sticking your cock through thick glad wrap, she will still feel pain, but at least she will know what she is doing.
if you spend some time in pp and are prepared to pay top dollar sure a mamasan will find one for you, and if she cannot find one she will make one for you. service is ok in that area.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I visited PP a couple of times in the past month, both times just one night.
Went down to Martini. It seems like the overall talent has gone downhill here. I was lucky to spot one gorgeous girl in the pack. One guy after another kept approaching to chat her up, and then she was still there. Actually I left the club (quick visit to St 63, see below) and came back an hour later and she was still there and available. I walked over and started talking to her and the vibe felt very good. She was much prettier up close too. So we headed back to my place, and on the motorbike I asked her how much, not getting a straight answer. Finally in the room I asked again, and she said $80 long time. (WHAT?!?!?!) Now soon I was telling her that's crazy, how much I always pay, and at this point it hit me -- oh so THAT'S why all the guys were passing on her back at Martini. We ended up agreeing on $60 LT cuz she was just so delicious I was not going to pass this up. She ended up being the hottest thing I saw in either Cambodia or Bangkok on this trip. She was ok in bed too, when I was half expecting starfish style. ........[/QUOTE]Christ!
$60. 00? !
That is totally insane, and as a senior member I am shocked. Check out my Jewel I had for two weeks every day all day and night for 20-30 total each day.
This kind of behavior is what makes everything go bad. Look at Bangkok, Pattaya, and now PP will be on its way. This girl is going to tell everyone at Martini's this. Martini's is widely know for prices that will never exceed $20 for STUNNERS! I know first hand.
What to do What to do here? I had so many hotties in PP for 10-20 and never had to tip, save for a moto fare of 3000 riel. I can see how this forum can lead to a demise of enviorments for the sake of voyuristic projected tourism. Now the buisness men of the world (corporate) are killing the killing fields of poontang!
Let alone the US dollar is now worth shit! Why don't we all just fuck ourselves this year.
By the way the Virgin hunter, . Um just forget it.
So pissed,
Hummer
[QUOTE=Wendella]She ended up being the hottest thing I saw in either Cambodia or Bangkok on this trip. [/QUOTE]
If she's such a looker, why didn't you ask her for her h/p-#?
Usually the pretty ones have mobiles.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]Christ!
$60. 00? !
That is totally insane, and as a senior member I am shocked. [/QUOTE]You're shocked? I'm the one who PAID!
Look, I was there one night only, leaving the next day. I had the hottest girl I'd seen in a long time sitting on my bed. I could've sent her out and slept alone, or make a deal. I thought, you only live once. Social responsibility went out the window in favor of selfish personal gratification.
[QUOTE=Ekspat]If she's such a looker, why didn't you ask her for her h/p-#?
Usually the pretty ones have mobiles.[/QUOTE]Very simple. I'm stupid.
Seriously, after paying that much, I thought no way would I ever pay that much again, so I was thinking this was just going to be a one time thing. But somehow after I left PP, for the next 3 weeks I couldn't get her out of my mind and really wanted to get her again when I got back.
I did kick myself for not getting her number. Dumb move.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Very simple. I'm stupid.
Seriously, after paying that much, I thought no way would I ever pay that much again, so I was thinking this was just going to be a one time thing. But somehow after I left PP, for the next 3 weeks I couldn't get her out of my mind and really wanted to get her again when I got back.
I did kick myself for not getting her number. Dumb move.[/QUOTE]Wendella,
I think you should get her cell phone number and her photo she must be one hot girl for you to over paid like that , I remeber over paid myself at Mahattan disco she will not budge LT for 50 usd and she is very hot and I stll think about her and that was 4 yr ago and I did get her cell number but I try to call her last time I was in PP is no longer working .
Fast eddie 48
Any of you guys ever stayed at the Les Jardins d'Orient Restaurant et Guest House? Looking at it online, looks good but not sure if it is soi disant guest-friendly.
Monticristo
just my opinion mate i went several times also with 3 other mates and we didnt see anything all looked rough and poor health !!!
I would much rather have a girl from Black Cats or Shanghai nothing bad intended just really didnt like the place and i have been all over for many years.
Regards
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]I think you should get her cell phone number and her photo [/QUOTE]
I'm out of Cambodia now and won't be back for a long time, so for me it's history. Maybe someone else will find her. It was her face that was outstanding. She was quite thin, but not much hips, butt or boobs, so the body wasn't spectacular. She'd always dance right in front of the stage, and when she'd hang out outside it would always be by that middle railing on the stairs going up to the bar, not by the pool table but the one leading up to the middle of the bar. Name "Lita" or something like that, 19. Maybe someone else can get the photo. ;-)
I've never paid more than $25 in Phnom Penh before. I've been tempted by ones at the discos sometimes who wanted $50, but didn't bite. I'd say with this one, she was pretty certain she wasn't going home alone, and no reason why she shouldn't try to bargain top dollar if she could. I think she kept saying No to other guys knowing she'd either get her price eventually, or else would eventually come down, say, at 1am. Good for her. It was the best experience I had in PP or BKK on that whole trip, so I definitely don't feel like I got ripped off.
[QUOTE=Wendella]You're shocked? I'm the one who PAID!
Look, I was there one night only, leaving the next day. I had the hottest girl I'd seen in a long time sitting on my bed. I could've sent her out and slept alone, or make a deal. I thought, you only live once. Social responsibility went out the window in favor of selfish personal gratification.[/QUOTE]
The key 'answer' is you thought it was worth every penny....good for you :)
Now, the big 'question' - if you do meet up with her again, what would you pay ;)
[QUOTE=Montecristo]Its not so simple to put a negative tag in walkabout, its open 24 hours, many freelancers, yes some look very bad, but i found one or two cuties, as many places its hit and miss, but the fact its an open space and you can simply look from the street who is inside, makes it an interesting option, specially for those staying in Flamingo.[/QUOTE]
I've been going by walkabout for many years, seems that the quality and quantity of girls is been going down, despite the excelent location.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Maybe someone else will find her. It was her face that was outstanding. She was quite thin, but not much hips, butt or boobs, so the body wasn't spectacular. She'd always dance right in front of the stage, and when she'd hang out outside it would always be by that middle railing on the stairs going up to the bar, not by the pool table but the one leading up to the middle of the bar. Name "Lita" or something like that, 19. Maybe someone else can get the photo. ;-)
[/QUOTE]It sounds a lot like the Martini girl I had on the trip before last. Really sweet face but a bit skinny. She had a similar name I thought it was "Lisa" but "Lita" is pretty much the same. I found her by the middle railing on the stairs going up to the bar. I am pretty sure this one is Viet, but I have never been able to tell the difference for sure.
If it is the same then it just goes to show one mans trash is anothers treasure. I did not swing with her. She was ok, but no chemistry. Maybe another $25 would have created the chemistry, who knows. I didn't get a photo as my camera is playing up. She seemed very hard nosed businesslike to me.
There are many girls in Martini that fit the descriptions, it is just this one had a similar name and I picked her up the same place.
[quote][b]Martini[/b]
The place was rocking ok but still not as it used to be. I quickly committed to a sweet Viet girl, skinny but with a really sweet face. We settled on $25 LT and set on drinking and dancing the night away. Best as things were going; my Walkabout girls come into the disco. She sees me and proceeds to claim me as a long lost boyfriend. My Viet girl had different intentions and it almost ended up in a cat fight. Out of the two I would have taken the Walkabout girl. The Viet girl had the looks but the Walkabout girl the personality and she really had rocked my world. At that point in time I had committed to the Viet girl and I thought it wrong to change. Also the Walkabout girl made it clear that only ST was on the menu.
I returned to base around 1 am with my Viet girl. This turned out to be a mistake. In the room she turned hard and business like. She undresses and hit the shower and after splashing water everywhere returns towel wrapped and I did my ceremony too before returning to unwrap her. The blow job is mechanical and to pussy licking only a gesture. No bareback problem here, but it was just one of those sessions that never really happened. After one shot I decide to call it the day, choosing good sleep before my onward journey over bad sex. Just at that stage I would have given a kingdom for the phone number of my Walkabout girl.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Now, the big 'question' - if you do meet up with her again, what would you pay ;)[/QUOTE]
I'd try to get her down a bit, which I think I'd be able to. $40 seems fair, I might go up to $50. Girls are usually warmer and more amenable the 2nd time around if the experience was good, and this one was.
I'm actually surprised that these hard rules about prices has remained intact this long - that whether you choose some 35 yr old veteran or an 18 yr old beauty queen, that the expected price is going to be $20-25 overnight regardless.
As for Walkabout, it's not my cup of tea. What people have to remember is that all us posters here are of different ages, looks and tastes. Some people are perfectly happy with Walkabout, or Sharky or Martini or whatever, while others won't be able to find what they like there. So a place that to one guy looks like it's packed full of beautiful women, to another guy looks like its a bunch of worn out hags, and not an acceptable one in the bunch. Some guys aren't too hung up on looks and prefer better performance, others are the opposite. Some like to bed as many different girls as possible, others want to just find the one right one and stick with her.
Me, my preference is for Martini cuz I like being able to be on my own as long as I want, and also be able to peruse a big selection. In lots of other places, you walk in the door and immediately are the one selected (Cyrcee is good example, or the 104 St bars) with the girls jumping in right next to you before you even order your drink. No time to survey the scene or pick and choose. Some guys dig that and enjoy the attention. And I can understand that. It's just not what I like.
[QUOTE=Cepu19]It sounds a lot like the Martini girl I had on the trip before last. Really sweet face but a bit skinny. She had a similar name I thought it was "Lisa" but "Lita" is pretty much the same. I found her by the middle railing on the stairs going up to the bar. I am pretty sure this one is Viet, but I have never been able to tell the difference for sure.
If it is the same then it just goes to show one mans trash is anothers treasure. I did not swing with her. She was ok, but no chemistry. Maybe another $25 would have created the chemistry, who knows. I didn't get a photo as my camera is playing up. She seemed very hard nosed businesslike to me.[/QUOTE]
I assumed Cambodian -- they're generally darker skinned and rounder eyes, which this girl had both. Skinny, yes. As for the BJ, I had to instruct her what to do, but then she did it willingly. She was nice and warm after the intial businesslike attitude when negotiating in the beginning. So maybe if you meet her inflated price, it brings out the warmth. ;-)
Oops, wait, no I'm sure she was Cambodian, because she was teaching me how to say a few things in Khmer.
Guess we'll never know for sure if it's the same girl.
a couple of weeks ago i was driving around on the other side of the mekong with sovann mee. i just wanted to spend a day seeing some of the country around pp that was not just tourist traps.
we had stopped at a couple of places where girls were running looms under the houses making strips of cloth. it turned out they were making them to order for some buyers and we couldn't even make an offer on them.
we got pretty far down one of the bumpy dirt roads, avoiding kids, horses, cows and dogs and in the conversation mee said that we could go on down further to a particular village where i could get a virgin.
my response was, "why in the hell would i want a virgin. not interested in **** pussy and they are nothing but trouble in my limited experience in private life."
he said that in this village they were not **** and some of them were in their 20s. i asked him how much you would pay for a virgin and almost dropped my teeth when he said they get $600 or $700. he said that is what men were paying.
so if any of you want a virgin, just get in touch with sovann mee, he is on the board, pay him $35 for a whole day of driving and for only $700 more you to can pop a cherry. then have him take you back to walkabout and for $10 you can get a talented lady who will screw your brains out.
af
Sovann Mee brought up the same topic with me of procuring a virgin. He quoted, as I recall $500 to $1000. Definitely not my thing.
my last report for this trip, phnom penh. is nice to be back here. as the last year, i went to flamingo hotel, the perfect place with a good service at a honest price. bar around are almost the same, the walkabout seemed to me got even lower. on the other hand i love low end places where i always feel comfortable, maybe because i feel myself as a lowend man, or the women in my country made me feel that way. i went there and also got 2 girls in 2 times. the first one was awful, the second one she sold herself as a viet with good skills in bj, she just wanted to watch tv.
i have to add two experiences in phnom penh i didn't have last year. first of all i explored some #63 parlors and some 154# as well. what can i say. there are people good for that game there are people not good. i am not good. if you care about how the girl look at you, those places are not good. i don't know wether they are or not, but looks like they are forced to be there. they all have this lazy and bored face, looking at you like you were junk. i didn't like. btw 63# is vietnam domain. in my experience girls with such faces will be quite uncollaborative performing perfect starfish meanwhile. if you want the sensation to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], those are the right places. but prices are not as low as this forum usually report.
shangai's bar girls are getting picky. i didn't like that place last year already, and i am not going to like this time neither. but i knew a nice men at flamingo and we spent some time at shangai. food there is not that bad, for sure better then walkabout. hey fellows, you want a good massage? go in the massage parlor in front of flamingo. i mean real massage, not a fake one. trye the oil one hour and half.
then i went to martini. i didn't go there last year, i imagined it like a huge garden with everything spread out on a large area. it is not. it is a garden indeed, but everything is under your eyes. i like that place and most important, i got the better contact i've ever had in phnom penh. finding a good girl i know is just a matter of luck. being in the right place helps but never grant results. there are many little viet at martini, some cambodian stunners, and some expired women. long legs, short legs, big boops, small boops. whatsoever. the first time i went there it was very easy. i was with a friend. a little tiny light small nice sweet shy viet girl looked at me. i got hard in one second. i went for her, she just told me her name, put her hands on my chest and her head on my shoulder (well, almost, i was one feet and half taller then her, but she weared high heels, very high heels). we were on a motorbike in few minutes. my friend however didn't like the place, so we stopped on the way back at heart of darkness, he didn't know it. inside some girls of the shangai pub, and tourists. not really a lot of people, but it was not the weekend. we left him there and we went back to hotel. she undressed, without clothes she looked like a dolly, a real little dolly. she was sweet and nice. she asked me 20$ i had only 15$ so she took the 15$ and ask me to go back at martini the next night to give her the others 5. deal. so i did next evening, but i couldn't find her. as long as i was there some girls approched me, one was a cambodian stunner, really, i am still complaining i didn't get her, but i thought i had to behave correctly and i was there to look for the viet girl and i was waiting for her. i really think if we start to behave unfair then those girls will learn, day by day, to behave as well. but she didn't come. i thought maybe she got a customer and already went away for lt. then i got back once again next night. didn't find her neither.
while i was there looking at her, a small little happy jumpy cambodian girl, playing snooker with a man, start to smile at me. i got seat near the table and wait for events. she was the happiest girl i've ever seen. she just couldn't stop moving and laughing. in short, when we got in my room, she undressed and start to jump on the bed. and because the low ceiling she bump on it and fell down on the bed laughing and laughing. i got even a picture of her while jumping, attached to this post. then she bj me. yes, this was the trip of bj for me. she was the last one of this trip so...
that's all folks.
[QUOTE=Brenno]......Phnom Penh. Is nice to be back here. .....a small little happy jumpy cambodian girl, playing snooker with a man, start to smile at me. I got seat near the table and wait for events. She was the happiest girl I've ever seen. She just couldn't stop moving and laughing. In short, when we got in my room, she undressed and start to jump on the bed. And because the low ceiling she bump on it and fell down on the bed laughing and laughing. I got even a picture of her while jumping, attached to this post. Then she BJ me. Yes, this was the trip of BJ for me. She was the last one of this trip so... That's all folks.[/QUOTE]Hi Brenno,
Very nice action picture.
Cheers
I'm in thailand and have been 5 times. I want to see something different before I go to the USA. I'll probably be going myself and feel leary of a new place. Can someone suggest some basics, ie. where to go from the airport, (hotel, etc)
I pay 50 us in Thailand per night, but would like to pay less. I would like to see some sites as well as having some fun. Also just what not to do to stay out of trouble. Also I'm open to going to siem riep instead since I'll just have 3-4 days.
Thanks in advance. I feel real safe obviously wandering pattaya and bangkok, is there any reason to feel different in Cambodia?
[QUOTE=Wendella]
Me, my preference is for Martini cuz I like being able to be on my own as long as I want, and also be able to peruse a big selection. In lots of other places, you walk in the door and immediately are the one selected (Cyrcee is good example, or the 104 St bars) with the girls jumping in right next to you before you even order your drink. No time to survey the scene or pick and choose. Some guys dig that and enjoy the attention. And I can understand that. It's just not what I like.[/QUOTE]
I have a beer and look around in Le Cyrcee (or the bars on 104, 136, etc). Even though the girls have crowded around if I see something interesting I motion for her to come over. I get rid of the other girls as nicely as possible (or ignore them and they go away). But I take the one I want.
RMW
[QUOTE=Berny X]I'm in thailand and have been 5 times. I want to see something different before I go to the USA. I'll probably be going myself and feel leary of a new place. Can someone suggest some basics, ie. where to go from the airport, (hotel, etc)
I pay 50 us in Thailand per night, but would like to pay less. I would like to see some sites as well as having some fun. Also just what not to do to stay out of trouble. Also I'm open to going to siem riep instead since I'll just have 3-4 days.
Thanks in advance. I feel real safe obviously wandering pattaya and bangkok, is there any reason to feel different in Cambodia?[/QUOTE]
If you read about the last 20-25 pages in this forum you will be off to a good start. You will notice Flamingos Hotel mentioned many times. I find it safe to walk around in my areas of PP. But there are many warnings in this forum about the houses on street 63.
If you want info on site seeing and getting around try some of the tourist sites. [url]http://www.canbypublications.com/[/url] gives great Cambo tourist information.
I just came back from Siem Reap. If you are going there just for mongering IMO skip it and stay in PP. If you want to do the tourist thing then Siem Reap is cool. There is action there but a little harder to find and often more expensive.
RMW
Tell you what Berny - don't do anything worse than you would do in the USA and you likely won't have any trouble
(of course, if you are prone to walk in Central Park after dark in dimly lit areas, you are beyond my help) :)
PP is pretty much "OK" and just like any city, there are places to avoid at all costs (or the resultant "cost" will be "high") being LARGE doesn't hurt, though - singles tend to avoid large guys, packs might be an issue, but I'm pretty good myself at recognizing potential "situations" (unless drunk, but them I'm in or on a moto anyway)
Don't wear bling, don't flash $$$, don't get steeenking drunk and fall down on the street, lock up your wallet at least in your bag before you retire with that lady for the night, RTFF (above all, RTFF), watch the traffic (it's WORSE than you can EVER imagine and NEVER step out where a Mercedes is - it has a built in gunsight hood ornament for pedestrians), don't expect much in medical facilities outside of PP... little things like that :(
You can take a taxi everywhere, you can ride in the moto-rickshaws, you can walk (lit streets are better) Airport to center of town is about $7. Personally I like the open rickshaw and take pix - they are going slow enough to get good pix. One thing about not speaking the language, though - you might find a driver who doesn't speak a lot of ENGLISH (and if you speak another language as a native speaker, unless it's FRENCH, possibly Russian or Chinese, "rots a ruck" - they MIGHT know where you want to go, might NOT, too and the lack of language skills won't "help" things. Outside of the border areas any pa-sa THAI you know will do LITTLE good other than to generate a "blank stare" - or yu might get lucky and find someone who had been working in Thailand...)
Low prices for most things except food (not "high" but seemed to be more than Thailand) Rooms start at $5 for "good, clean" FAN rooms, $10 for AC. Pick a spot and stay (a room with a safe is "better" of course)
personally, I LOVE the place. been there, done that, enjoyed it immensely
(BTW - Ochiteual Beach in Snooky is far better than almost any in Thailand, lots cleaner as long as you stay away from the port area)
GO TO ANGKHOR (SIEM REIP) BEFORE THE PLACE IS TOTALLY FUCKED UP BY THE DO GOODERS!!
take lots of PIX - every turn is a photo op of usually postcard quality
I just put in a search for savann Mee and did not come up with anything. Can anyone giv em his contact info?
I just put in a search for Sovann Mee and did not come up with anything. Can anyone give me his contact info?
Dinghy,
Thanks for the info. Has anybody done the land route to siem riep from Pattaya? I know it's long, but should it be avoided and just take the plane?
[QUOTE=Berny X]Dinghy,
Thanks for the info. Has anybody done the land route to siem riep from Pattaya? I know it's long, but should it be avoided and just take the plane?[/QUOTE]
If you must use the same road at all that goes from Bangkok to Siem Reap, it's treacherous. Since that is a key roadway for traffic running between Cam and Thai., I'd assume that other less important roads in that part of the country are in similarly horrific state. It's uncomfortable to the point of absurdity.
[QUOTE=Wendella]If you must use the same road at all that goes from Bangkok to Siem Reap, it's treacherous. Since that is a key roadway for traffic running between Cam and Thai., I'd assume that other less important roads in that part of the country are in similarly horrific state. It's uncomfortable to the point of absurdity.[/QUOTE]
I can attest to road conditions that defy imagination, and drivers that push the limits of the vehicles towards certain death. I have taken the path from PP to Pattaya, which I believe is the same as Siem Reap. Typically the transit will go SR to PP to Pattaya. It is not really worth the financial savings, I would just do the boat from KK to Sihanouke, or fly if doing it again.
However, it will prove to be a lifelong memory.
Cheers
FYI, his handle is "driver sovan mee", hope this helps.
Shamas O'Dognasty
There are 4 ways to do the trip in the Cambodia part
SR to Poipet (120 miles of either dusty or muddy road and takes about 4 hours or so depending on road conditions)
SR to Battambang (you wind up going down thru Sway to Battambang, then Battambang to Paillin and entering Thailand from there - but watch it - there have been some entry into Thailand scams going on at the border where they want a bus tickey "onward" - go read trip reports from "talesofasia.com" - it's about the best overland travel site out there - and they don't do the sex part so it's NOT a competing site to this one)
SR to PP and then PP to either Poipet (you just went a long ways out of the way to get where you could have gone direct) or Paillin (see above - you REALLY need to know how to do it this way or have someone with you who speaks Khmer or English (there))
SR to PP to Koh Kong (you cut off the route ro S'ville about 100 miles and head west thru the Cardamoms. Scenic trip but it takes about 7 hours from PP with 2 new bridge crossings and 2 ferry crossings - it used to be 4 ferry crossings. Take lots of fluids because except for the ferry crossings they try not to stop. Read the reports on "tales" but you will need to drill down into the reports which are in chronological order. They WERE dropping people right at the border, then 110B minibus ride to Trat, then a bus north to Rayong, then change for a bus to Pattaya.)
Alternately screw it and fly back on AirAsia for $55 or so plus the $25 departure fee - 1 hour. IF you are in PP, the AirAsia office is very close to "International Hotel"
I do the overland in ONE direction because I like the trip...ah, the "adventure" of it all. Besides, I want to see how much progress they are making on the remaining 2 bridges (be there in 10 weeks)
[QUOTE=Berny X]I'm in thailand and have been 5 times. I want to see something different before I go to the USA. I'll probably be going myself and feel leary of a new place. Can someone suggest some basics, ie. where to go from the airport, (hotel, etc)
I would like to see some sites as well as having some fun. Also just what not to do to stay out of trouble. Also I'm open to going to siem riep instead since I'll just have 3-4 days.
[/QUOTE]
I'd say FLY to Phnom Penh, that road trip is hell. If you really want to see some sights and feel like you really saw something, head straight to Angkor Wat the next day and take 3 days or so to go around and see all the temples. Ask for the VIP bus to go from PP to Siem Reap, it was $12 last time I took it, gets you there by afternoon. Very comfortable, they even give you a coffee and croissant as you set off. Phnom Penh's sights and atmosphere are nothing great. Sihanoukville is a normal beach town, and beachwise isn't near as good as Thailand's best (they must have good drugs there tho, if anyone could think that -- its good, not great -- murky brownish water, for one). You said you wanted something different than Thailand. Angkor is different. Phnom Penh and S'ville are cheaper, smaller versions of what Thailand has to offer -- PP as mongering destination with bars & clubs (fewer girls than in BKK or PTY and finding hot ones is tougher in PP); SV has some very seedy venues, not for the faint of heart. Siem Reap is all about Angkor and its venues are expensive, lousy, not even worth the visit unless you're really desperate.
If you're mainly interested in mongering and are happy with sth just a bit diff than Thailand, then by all means go to PP and SV. You might be disappointed (very few super-hotties, sometimes none), or you might dig it. (cheap)
On my last trip to PP, I used driver Chhoeun Sovann and he was very reliable, he operates out of the Big Luck hotel and obviously knows his way around town, check out his web site below.
[url]http://phnompenhdriver.com/[/url]
If you have 3-4 days, you will spend one whole day just getting to Siem Reap and or Sihanoukville. Count on 6hrs of bus travel, which at the end does not drop you conviently at a hotel. Thus you will need to Tuk Tuk it from the bus stations, and find a hotel to unload and shower (1hr). Set up arrangements to see Ankor Wat, tour starts at 7-8 in the a.m.. Then get back again. It is either PP or SR as you window of time is too limited.
By the way unless you are a hardcore anthropologist, 1 day is enough of Ankor. As there are really only 4-5 temples that are the bomb, the rest are small and rely on "interesting" stories to desiginate their importance. And the endless Tuk Tuk hum on seemingly never ending roads around SR makes it very tiring to spend three days driving around. You will be spent in more ways that one.
Like Wendella said, the selection of babes in Cambo is not geared toward stunners, nor girls that really maintain themselves in a 1st world kind of way. But it is cheap. SV brothels are the right out of a David Lynch movie freak scene. I would avoid them and go to the bars, and "nicer" hostess places. Sometimes you will find somthing perceived as very pretty (see PP Photo Gallery- Jewel), but often the perception is due to ones long term exposure to uglies.
once again
Cheers.
Hummer.
Angkor "pass" - 1 day $20; 3 days $40; 7 days $60
Don't get caught without it - the fine is $100 and you have to go back and buy the pass, too
Now being HONEST - Bayon, Elephant Terrace, couple of the other "more famous ruins" and a look at some restoration activity is worth a DAY (8AM to 4PM or so) and frankly, AFTER YOU'VE SEEN ONE BIG FUCKING PILE OF ROCKS YOU'VE SEEN THEM ALL (ruins, that is, the "intact temples" and the ones under restoration are interesting and good photo ops)
Grab a bite to eat at 4 or so and wait somewhere close to Angkor until 5 PM or so then take the hike up the hill to the summit temple ruins directly across from the Angkor causeway. Watch the sundown, take a few more pix (you DID take pix at all those photo sites earlier in the day, right?) then right after sunset GET YOUR ASS DOWN OFF THE HILL! (it's not "dangerous" - might be better if you have a torch and it is NOT pitch black going down the elephant trail to/from the summit (which you can ride the elephant for $15 or so, if you so fancy) BUT THE BUGS ARE OUT FOR BLOOD - YOUR BLOOD (and with dengue in the area, tis better to avoid than be bitten (OK?) OFF! Deep Woods repelled them more or less (100% DEET)
Next day go back out and do Angkor itself. Takes at least 4 hours to scratch the surface (poor pun - don't scratch it, it's marvelous to look at the ancient Hindu temple works) Climb to the top (not for the faint of heart - only ONE handrail, the steps are about 16 inches high and while it's easy enough going UP, going down is where the faint of heart will feel it) Several nooks and crannies with various Buddha images there and a marvelous frieze in relief around the outer pavillion of the Ramamaya tale of Vishnu and triumph over the demonic forces (all 300 meters (900 feet more or less) of it).
Then, unless you are not worn out yet. GO BACK TO PP or Thailand. SR seems to flood easily - an early evening thunderstorm and the streets seem to have up to 10 cm of water (6 inches).
There is entertainment, just not a whole lot unless you speak Khmer (I don't, poot Thai, dai, though) or want to take "pot luck"
Obviously, this doesn't belong in PP posting, but since that's where the question started, I'll leave it here
There is no Pass required to enter the temple complex.
If you do not enter the temples physically it is ok. You can see from outside and take pictures etc.
The guy at the entrance will ask you for the Ticket if you try to enter any of the temples.
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]If you have 3-4 days, you will spend one whole day just getting to Siem Reap and or Sihanoukville. Count on 6hrs of bus travel, which at the end does not drop you conviently at a hotel. Thus you will need to Tuk Tuk it from the bus stations, and find a hotel to unload and shower (1hr). Set up arrangements to see Ankor Wat, tour starts at 7-8 in the a.m.. Then get back again. It is either PP or SR as you window of time is too limited.
By the way unless you are a hardcore anthropologist, 1 day is enough of Ankor.
[/QUOTE]
OK, it does take abt 6 hrs by bus to get to Siem Reap from PP, that's right. You could also instead fly into SR rather than stop in PP on the way. Flights to PP (Air Asia) are much lower than to SR. Whether taking the bus or flight, if you book a room ahead of time via the net (one suggestion: [url]www.talesofasia.com[/url], the Two Dragons in SR) they'll pick you up at the bus station or airport. I think that would be free. Same is true in PP with Flamingo. (btw, the bus trip to Sihanoukville from PP should be only 4 hrs). Your Angkor tour can start anytime you like -- I've always done it with a motorbike guy, and then I'm on my own inside the temple (not led by a guide). Last, I've done the Angkor temples twice, and I'd say one day is a bum's rush through it. Two days would be about right for the first time -- I found 3 days straight did burn me out. So I'd suggest get the 3 day pass and then go on day one, then take a day off and go again on the last day for the rest. Angkor Wat itself (the biggest by far of the bunch) is worth at least a few hours alone. If you can get something that explains the wall carvings on the ground floor, they tell stories of epic battles or scenes from the Mahabharatta (sp? -- Hindu holy epic text) with an overwhelming amount of interesting detail, if you can figure out what you're looking at. In one area, one after another of torture scenes are depicted. Battles with monkey armies atop elephants in other areas. These murals (they're carved) go on and on for hundreds of meters in length*, on each side of the ground level. And this is just the first level. It's true that you can get tired of looking at more and more temples one after another, but if you refresh yourself in between then you will notice the unique things on your later visits and be able to appreciate it. If you went all that way, should try to get as much of the experience as possible, in the best conditions, I think.
ps: To go to Angkor Wat and not enter the temples, as suggested below, well, to go into the temples is what the experience is all about. I mean, would you go to Bangkok and only look at the Grand Palace and Wat Po from outside the wall? Or maybe go to Nana Plaza and only stand at the front gate, not go inside? You can save money on beer then, and no risk of having to pay a bar fine. ;-)
* exaggeration... but it's REALLY LONG
Wow, I am in Phnom Penh again and what a difference 2 months makes!! The place (in my humble opinion) has fallen to peices. It is scarcely worth coming here to monger at the moment, it would almost seem as though there is some kind of movement to get rid of the Vietnamese girls...Cyrcee's was good on Friday night and then empty on Saturday night, but apart from that one good night in Cyrcee's the rest has been nothing to get excited about..maybe this is because of the Khmer Rouge trial thing that has been going on, maybe they decided to clean the place up...
Went to street 63 and a few of the places were closed or just waving people away...went into one place in 63 and got a girl upstairs but it was clear from the beginning that she was going to be a complete waste of time...I had already paid the $15 in advance and I was very surprised that when I came back downstairs the Papasan agreed to refund my money in full...I think the stories about trapdoors under the bed are an urban myth personally.
Just my 2 cents worth but personally I feel that Phnom Penh is in its death Knell (I have been here 5 times over the last 15 years) and it has been amazing to see the transformation since I first came here in 1994... or even since January when I was here last!!!
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Wow, I am in Phnom Penh again and what a difference 2 months makes!! The place (in my humble opinion) has fallen to peices. It is scarcely worth coming here to monger at the moment, it would almost seem as though there is some kind of movement to get rid of the Vietnamese girls...Cyrcee's was good on Friday night and then empty on Saturday night, but apart from that one good night in Cyrcee's the rest has been nothing to get excited about..maybe this is because of the Khmer Rouge trial thing that has been going on, maybe they decided to clean the place up...
Went to street 63 and a few of the places were closed or just waving people away...went into one place in 63 and got a girl upstairs but it was clear from the beginning that she was going to be a complete waste of time...I had already paid the $15 in advance and I was very surprised that when I came back downstairs the Papasan agreed to refund my money in full...I think the stories about trapdoors under the bed are an urban myth personally.
Just my 2 cents worth but personally I feel that Phnom Penh is in its death Knell (I have been here 5 times over the last 15 years) and it has been amazing to see the transformation since I first came here in 1994... or even since January when I was here last!!![/QUOTE]
Its funny you should mention this, because MSNBC just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you PP was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. They went on as to how long it took the Cambodian government to do anything about it, until Bush signed into law banning US citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.
[quote=dfwdude]its funny you should mention this, because msnbc just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you pp was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. they went on as to how long it took the cambodian government to do anything about it, until bush signed into law banning us citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.[/quote]the law was in regars to ****d prostitutes. it is not illegal to travel for mongering.
[QUOTE=DFWdude]Its funny you should mention this, because MSNBC just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you PP was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. They went on as to how long it took the Cambodian government to do anything about it, until Bush signed into law banning US citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Didn't know there was a new US law that now prevents you from having sex with 'above' age hookers whilst abroad! Man they'll be banning Internet porn before you know it. Wanking will be next. The "wanker" police.
I must agree PP is getting a bit stranger. And I think this is because the anti-prostitution NGO types (let's call a spade a spade. They're not "NGOs" like the conventional types. Who also like to monger on occasion I reckon. They're "moral zealots" opposed to ALL prostitution. That's their 'mission' or 'missionary') and they are using their mobile phones to take pictures of the customers inside the favorite sex venues. I've seen this already actually (at least I was pretty sure that's what was happening). The guy tried to be discreet but I noticed it on one occasion.
[quote=dfwdude]its funny you should mention this, because msnbc just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you pp was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. they went on as to how long it took the cambodian government to do anything about it, until bush signed into law banning us citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.[/quote]the law applies to **** sex tourism. there is no law regarding legal ages.
[QUOTE=DFWdude]Its funny you should mention this, because MSNBC just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you PP was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. They went on as to how long it took the Cambodian government to do anything about it, until Bush signed into law banning US citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.[/QUOTE]
So very very glad to see the big guys getting written up for having sex w/ prostitutes, i.e. NY governor Spitzer. The US is run by a bunch of sexually repressed men and women who go to some facimile of church to feel good about their fucked up mentalities.
The reason this country is so fucked is because nobody is fucking, and everybody is handcuffed for doing it. Finally their was an Age of Consent report done by John Stossle(sp?) on lame O 20/20, and he noted how screwed and skewed the whole system is. So very disturbing to see men and women being punished for natural biological behaviors. Obviously I do not condone or respect any grown men or women for seeking out children for sex, but this Age of Consent really does shine light on the stupidity of labrinth laws to punish all.
I hope the B administration rots in hell for what they have done to the world and the US.
And I encourage all men with clacking balls to get out of the states and start living!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Wow, I am in Phnom Penh again and what a difference 2 months makes!! The place (in my humble opinion) has fallen to peices. It is scarcely worth coming here to monger at the moment, it would almost seem as though there is some kind of movement to get rid of the Vietnamese girls...Cyrcee's was good on Friday night and then empty on Saturday night, but apart from that one good night in Cyrcee's the rest has been nothing to get excited about..maybe this is because of the Khmer Rouge trial thing that has been going on, maybe they decided to clean the place up...[/QUOTE]Could you elaborate on this a bit? Are you saying the usual venues are dry for Vietnamese providers? or that girls are gone altogether because of a clean up? What other places did you visit recently? I was also there in early January and, like you, I thought things were humming along.
Can anyone else out there add to Bowerboy's observations?
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]So very very glad to see the big guys getting written up for having sex w/ prostitutes, i.e. NY governor Spitzer. The US is run by a bunch of sexually repressed men and women who go to some facimile of church to feel good about their fucked up mentalities.[/QUOTE]He was using taxpayer money to pay for services; for that he should be banned from public office. But as far as having sex with a prostitute, that should be a matter between him and his wife and not addressed by laws based on Judeo-Christian morals. Is that the point you wanted to make?
Sorry for diversion. Let's get back to the scene in Phnom Penh.
[QUOTE=DFWdude]Its funny you should mention this, because MSNBC just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you PP was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. They went on as to how long it took the Cambodian government to do anything about it, until Bush signed into law banning US citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.[/QUOTE]
That story is not new; it is about 5 (plus) years old and has less to do directly with the events on the ground right now. Also that law was made it possible for the U.S Govt to prosecute U.S citizens/residents traveling overseas who had sex with minors not with prostitutes.
Actually, this is a newer law - H.R.3887. You can google it to get lots of information. From what I understand, the language has been toned down a bit. Originally, it was supposed to, indeed, target those Americans who travelled to foreign lands to have sex with prostitutes saying that its citizens shouldn't be allowed to break American laws no matter where they may be. The intent was to stop trafficking, and that included, not only children, but women.
Now, they are not planning to go after the johns, but to those who might profit from prostitution. In other words, if you own a bar in Thailand, and employ sex workers, they could prosecute you under this new law.
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Could you elaborate on this a bit? Are you saying the usual venues are dry for Vietnamese providers? or that girls are gone altogether because of a clean up? What other places did you visit recently? I was also there in early January and, like you, I thought things were humming along.
Can anyone else out there add to Bowerboy's observations?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was there last month. There are a few in Martini, but they're asking for 20 bucks ST. I got her down to 15, but she was a ***** so I passed. I went to Sharky's all 4 nights I was in PP - skankville in there now. There were maybe 2-3 Viet girls and none of them were worth paying for. I actually took a little hottie Viet girl from Le Cyrcee and went to Sharky's....all eyes were on her. :)
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Yeah, I was there last month. There are a few in Martini, but they're asking for 20 bucks ST. I got her down to 15, but she was a ***** so I passed. I went to Sharky's all 4 nights I was in PP - skankville in there now. There were maybe 2-3 Viet girls and none of them were worth paying for. I actually took a little hottie Viet girl from Le Cyrcee and went to Sharky's....all eyes were on her. :)[/QUOTE]I was only there two nights. Wasn't impressed with Sharky's or DV-8. Never did find Le Cyree's. But Martini's, I thought, was fine. Found one each night that were fine and could have easily found more. I thought Walkabout was skanky and Shanghai girls seemed more like hostesses.
Anyway, that's my take. One woman at Martini's looked like she was about 15 and I noticed all the guys were staying "way" away from her. Good for them! She may have been older, but why chance it?
Hello,
I am in Phnom Penh right now. Other mongers here have warned me that there are lots of raids going on.
I was in Cyrcee last night, they have closed their rooms,price is from 15 dollar+barfine 5 dollar.
Walkabout is wery good, they have 4-5 supermodells. The price 15-20 dollars.
They have rooms for 3 dollars.
BL
Hi,
It's me again, the time is around 7 pm in PP.
I have just fucked another hottie at Walkabouts. She was very skinny around 40 kilo, and wonderful, I took her to Flamingos hotel and fucked her long time. I gave her 20 USD. She had a body to die for.
BL
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Could you elaborate on this a bit? Are you saying the usual venues are dry for Vietnamese providers? or that girls are gone altogether because of a clean up? What other places did you visit recently? I was also there in early January and, like you, I thought things were humming along.
Can anyone else out there add to Bowerboy's observations?[/QUOTE]
Le Crycee as mentioned is the usual price + $5 bar fine and take out only. There are rooms nearby but it is $5 so you are in for a total of $25 ST if you don't use your own room. I just returned from there and had the company of a cute Viet girl. But I got a bit upset at her as I though she was ripping me off for $5 as I didn't know about the new rules. Think the bar is making up for the lost revenue from the rooms. Mikado seems to be closed. In rather bad English I think the Viet girl said for a week. But I'm not totally sure. Something obviously bad must have happened. The Viet girl agreed when I said police but again it was tough communicating. But I do know at 11:30 tonight the doors were closed.
There are a couple of cuties in Sharky's but not many. The hostess bars from street 102 down to DV8 seem to be going OK but you have to find a girl that will go. I don't find the selection that great at DV8 at the moment but the owners other three bars seem to have a better selection. Although I didn't have great luck picking the girls that will go last night.
I don't really like Martini or Walkabout although I saw a real looker in Walkabout yesterday. May have to drop in there more often.
I am no expert as this is my first trip and I have been here about two weeks. But using past reports and hitting the hostess bars a lot I don't think the scene is too bad. But my favorite two ST places seem to be wounded at the moment.
RMW
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Actually, this is a newer law - H.R.3887. You can google it to get lots of information. From what I understand, the language has been toned down a bit. Originally, it was supposed to, indeed, target those Americans who travelled to foreign lands to have sex with prostitutes saying that its citizens shouldn't be allowed to break American laws no matter where they may be. The intent was to stop trafficking, and that included, not only children, but women.
Now, they are not planning to go after the johns, but to those who might profit from prostitution. In other words, if you own a bar in Thailand, and employ sex workers, they could prosecute you under this new law.[/QUOTE]I've spent some time reading through this, specifically section 2431 regarding sex tourism. It is pretty self explainitory: Whoever, for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, knowingly arranges, induces, procures the travel of a person in foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in any commercial sex act, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned no more than 10 years, or both.
Thats it. See the ''procures the travel of a person in foreign commerce'' part? This isnt us. It doesnt say if a person travels for the purpose of engaging in the sex trade, but only if you make arrangements for a person in foreign commerce, and if you will get favor or monetary gain.
In other words, it doesnt apply to us.
Mikado, and the hotel next door, were raided Sunday night and the owners were arrested. No other details at the moment.
RMW
[QUOTE=Blackangst]I've spent some time reading through this, specifically section 2431 regarding sex tourism. It is pretty self explainitory: Whoever, for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, knowingly arranges, induces, procures the travel of a person in foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in any commercial sex act, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned no more than 10 years, or both.
Thats it. See the ''procures the travel of a person in foreign commerce'' part? This isnt us. It doesnt say if a person travels for the purpose of engaging in the sex trade, but only if you make arrangements for a person in foreign commerce, and if you will get favor or monetary gain.
In other words, it doesnt apply to us.[/QUOTE]It could catch the internet sites advertising sex tourism tours at grossly inflated prices. Although it seems designed to target persons who organises girl to travel from say one state to another. "hey wasn't there a US senator who just did that? (althought it was not in a foreigh commerce)" but probably the intention is to catch someone who take a girl from Thailand to the US for sex.
What about a US citizent who has a hostage bar and organise a group of country girls to come and work? I. E. I pay so you can go home and see mama and you come back?
[quote=rockymtnway]mikado, and the hotel next door, were raided sunday night and the owners were arrested. no other details at the moment.
rmw[/quote]wow, i guess the ngo's upped the pressure due to the recent **** arrests. guessing it'll die down in another couple of weeks though. cambodian police are inherently inept, lazy, and corrupt. they live off the protection money they demand from all the bars/hotels/shops/brothels.
hollow man
[quote=hollow man]wow, i guess the ngo's upped the pressure due to the recent **** arrests. guessing it'll die down in another couple of weeks though. cambodian police are inherently inept, lazy, and corrupt. they live off the protection money they demand from all the bars/hotels/shops/brothels.
hollow man[/quote]well it could just be khmer new year 30 days aways.
we all need extra cash for the holiday season.
A few weeks ago I travalled around in Phom Penh.
I used as driver Mr.Sam Nieng. He speaks very good English and is a good and nice driver for all your wishes.
You can find him on: [url]www.phnompenhtaxi.biz[/url] or phone him on his GSM nr. 012 556476.
Does everyone get shots before the go to Cambo? Are they really needed?
Yeadon563
[QUOTE=Cepu19]It could catch the internet sites advertising sex tourism tours at grossly inflated prices. Although it seems designed to target persons who organises girl to travel from say one state to another. "hey wasn't there a US senator who just did that? (althought it was not in a foreigh commerce)" but probably the intention is to catch someone who take a girl from Thailand to the US for sex.
What about a US citizent who has a hostage bar and organise a group of country girls to come and work? I. E. I pay so you can go home and see mama and you come back?[/QUOTE]Well, that scenario clearly falls under trafficking which is a seperate issue that this. I was responding to the statement that it is illegal to travel abroad for sex, even if of age, as defined by the above legislation. Clearly it is not illegal to monger, as the above wording doesnt even imply such.
Thats all =)
shots - depends on your point of view
Some recommend HEP A and B shots. A good idea is to make sure sure your tetanus shot is current. other routine vaccinations, of course
Myself - I didn't do the HEP, the rest of the stuff is just the "normal" shots I get in general.
Dengue can be a problem in mosquito areas, but there isn't a shot for it anyway
A lot depends on locale and expected exposure
Health. Recommended vaccinations for Cambodia: [url]www.mdtravelhealth.com/destinations/asia/Cambodia.html[/url]
In a nutshell. Hep A, Hep B, Typhoid, make sure your Tetanus is up to date, and you might get/need a Yellow Fever shot depending on where else you've been. I didn't bother with Jap Encephalitis or Malaria meds (even when I went to Siem Reap) and already had a Yellow Fever shot recently. My GP recommended I take the Encephalitis shot if I'd gone to Vietnam too, but decided a two-night flying visit wasn't worth it if I had to pay an extra Ł50 ($100) for a needle.
Hotels:
When you get to Phnom Penh, negotiate a moto-dup ride (motorcycle) into town. It should be about $3, although it's no big deal to even pay double for that one journey, and tell your driver to take you to the central market, and from there to the river (about two blocks on). There are bars & restaurants and decent guesthouses all along the riverfront. Almost all bars & guesthouses also carry a small (3"x4") English tourist guide magazine which is full of maps, shopping, hotels, bars, restaurants, and it's very handy for getting around the next few days.
I made the mistake of just staying each night in a different (cheap) hotel recommended by my moto-dup driver, and although there was no problem finding $20 rooms, most were barely worth $5 a night. Clean, but incredibly basic and annoying. Changed hotels a few times and wasn't ever very satisfied, until I found one myself: a small studio room (en-suite toilet / shower-head) at Bogie & Bacall (#20, St. 136). A very GF guesthouse (the owners are UK expats with Cambodian girlfriends), next door to Nordic House: another nice cafe/guesthouse with decent Wi-Fi.
Problems:
The in-your-face hardship and poverty. Landmine victims on every street, and incredibly sweet (but relentless, and hard-to-ignore) kindergarten-age kids hawking a really heavy box of books & tourist guides. You are torn between wanting to help these victims/young kids, and getting really annoyed with them. Just try being nice to one and see how many others come running! Then you have the added problem of endless attention from motodup & tuk-tuk drivers who will literally follow you down the street for blocks until they get the message. If you consider yourself a polite person, as I do, it becomes genuinely wearing, difficult and frustrating to get rid of every driver/beggar you come across.
I fell into the tourist trap of being nice to the motodup guy who gave me a lift from the airport, and he took me around for the next two days recommending the crappiest hotels and having no idea where to find girls. Do NOT pay for a driver to stay with you or take you around all day. They will try and get $20-30/day, when almost any journey in town can be had for $1-2 max (perhaps even less), and drivers are literally on every corner. If one of them thinks you are 'his customer' he will basically stalk you, and get the other drivers to leave you alone. By day 3 I had to practically shout at the guy (not fun, because he was otherwise quiet & friendly) just to get him to leave me alone. Try going for a stroll around town on foot and see how long you last.
Where to go:
Pick up a free 'Out & About' pocket tourist guide in any bar, which is full of all the usual maps & lists of shops/massage places/hotels and bars. Unlike some other countries I could mention, be aware that most massage parlours / spas are quite legitimate (and therefore good), but do not provide 'adult services'.
Sorya Mall (near the Central Market) has lots of chains I've never seen before. To a jaded Westerner it's not the 'incredibly huge mall' it pretends to be, but it is cramped with shops and gets absolutely rammed with locals at times. PP actually has quite a number of upmarket clothes/books/music stores but they seem to be quite spaced out all over the place, so the guide is invaluable. I never did get to the big Central or Russian Markets. They looked good, but the traffic around them is insane. Be aware that the difference in prices between 'tourist shops/cafes' and 'local shops/cafes' is quite stark. I would often be marvelling at how cheap everything is, only to get well-and-truly stung on a panini and latte (London prices! ) at a posh riverside cafe. And do try the national dish Amok which is a fragrant bowl of steamed meat or fish with coconut milk; quite delicious.
Also, you must see Tuol Sleng (Phnom Penh's Genocide Musem). About $12 for entry and a personal guide, which doesn't last long but you won't get as much out of the tour otherwise. I had scant knowledge of the Khmer Rouge at best but I was almost crying by the end of the tour, until I got grumpy again when you have to go back through the handful of beggers and touts just to get out of the gate.
I ignored all attempts to get me to pay for a 'Killing Fields' tour once I learnt that the fields are numerous and all over the place, and that the journey can be 2 or 3 hours away from Phnom Penh (on a pretty uncomfortable tuk-tuk or. God forbid. Motodup). There's also not much to see when you get there (and little or no shade).
Girls:
For girls, best thing is to go to one of the pool/music bars (Sharky's is probably the best. 1 block north and 3 blocks west of Bogie & Bacall, a 5 min stroll if that) and find a freelancer there (I paid $15 ST for a very limber hippie-chick who was being very sexy & cheeky at the bar).
But the finest freelancer I got was a very cute 19-year old called Rani from a music/pool bar near the waterfront ($50 LT. A lot I know, but she was so damn cute and I figure part of that price was to stop somebody else taking her first). A very fun couple of evenings drinking and playing pool with around 20 apparently very young girls (16/17+) and cool music too, until I found out the next day it was on a loop. It was very quiet when I was there. Maybe 8 girls per customer!
Ignore driver recommendations. One night I asked my motodup driver to take me somewhere for a massage (wink wink). Only about 3 blocks from my hotel he got lost, and eventually found a place in a neighbourhood of what looked like embassies and posh houses that looked like it was already closed up for the night. Went inside, paid about $15 and was led to a room. No choice of girls (it was late, but before midnight). The girl who came in looked okay so I showered and lay down, but after 5 mins of scratchy massage with her fake nails while she texted her friends with her other hand AND was watching TV, I thought "screw this", got dressed and stormed out looking like thunder. It was a good five minutes on the journey before I realised I should have screamed at somebody to get my money back, but I had already terrified my driver and was in no mood to do anything but go back to a bar and chill.
A day or two later (having fired the first driver), a super-friendly tuk-tuk driver eventually wore me down while I was having a beer, and I agreed to let him take me to find a girl. He drove into the backstreets between Sihanouk and Monivong to what looked like a building site but was in fact a Vietnamese sauna/brothel. I've never been anywhere like it before or since, which makes me think it was somewhere that only usually sees locals. It was really weird inside, more like being in a tiger cage at the zoo (all concrete & tiles & corrugated roofing and breeze-blocks). I went into a small room where the 15-or-so girls lined up, almost all looking like they'd rather be somewhere else, and picked the only one who smiled at me. Small, plain, brunette, and totally un-ethnic looking (she could have been Russian by looks alone). Not one of them spoke a word of English, and didn't seem to understand Khmer either. Went into a small room (bed, bare lightbulb, small trolley with a towel) and then into an adjoining cell with a hosepipe and water bucket for a wash. Took all my clothes in a bundle with me. I'm naive, not completely stupid. I forget why but I wasn't in the mood for FS so had asked for just a $10 massage and (you may think I'm an idiot) but I'd agreed to shout the driver a screw as well (locals pay $10, or probably less actually). The girl was sweet enough but had no idea what was going on, and I remember getting increasingly mad that she seemed to have no clue how to massage, and nobody (the girl, driver or Chinese punk-looking young guy running the place) had any comprehension of what massage oil was, or was for. At one point my driver offered his tube of hair gel to use! One thing led to another and I ended up sitting on the bed stark-bollock naked. All of us in the room. Shouting at my driver, him shouting at the papasan guy, and he and the driver shouting at the girl. In the end I could see I wasn't getting anything near an acceptable massage out of this and would have an equally hard time getting any money back, so I demanded FS. For which they managed to get another $10 out of me on the condition that I would kill my driver if I didn't enjoy myself. Luckily it was the one thing the girl was quite good at. Showered and left, virtually dragging my driver out by collar (I'm not even sure if he bothered to take his trousers off). Fortunately by the time we got outside, my driver (a total BS artist) had made peace and we were friends again (he really was quite a funny & charming guy) and my mood was much improved because there was a fresh/chilled green coconut stand outside charging local prices (about 5p per coconut). You have to laugh. But after we got back to my hotel I did refuse to pay for any of the tuk-tuk fare, which he couldn't help but agree to.
Massage:
Unlike some other countries in the region, Cambodia (and Phnom Penh) are packed with legitimate spa/massage places. Be aware that most do NOT provide anything resembling adult services, but you will instead find the quality of the massage far superior to any happy-finish parlour you might have been to. On the riverside, I particularly recommend "U & Me Spa" (Star Royal Building, 383 Sisowath Road). Lovely girls offering truly excellent massage, and believe me when I say I've had enough massages to know which is which. They also offer manicure, waxing, sauna and other treatments. After various perfunctory and badly-trained massages (and varying levels of naughtiness) in Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok, the difference is like night and day. The blind massage place a bit further along the riverside is also highly esteemed.
In summary:
Phnom Penh can be a great stop-over if you get up late, relax by the riverside, get a massage, go and see Tuol Sleng, and spend a few nights with a cadre of cuties in one of the pool bars. But there's not much else I found to do, and the locals might drive you bat-shit crazy.
Bluegreen
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[QUOTE=Yeadon563]Does everyone get shots before the go to Cambo? Are they really needed?
Yeadon563[/QUOTE]What shots you need depend on where you are going, how long you are going for, where you expect to eat and how adventurous you are.
I have travelled far in to the provinces, I prefer to eat locally and stay in cheap guesthouses.
I agree that HEP A and B should be on the cards. It you are the careful type you might stop there. However as soon as you leave PP it can become hard to get a cold beer, they are often hot served in a glass of ice. Typhoid is calling. If you have seen the kitchens (next to the toilets) most of the truck stops where the busses take breaks you also know that Typhoid is an issue.
Remember even if you have Typhoid vaccination you can still catch it, so take care if you are travelling in the provinces.
Finally I usually take Doxcylen when I travel. It is preventative against Malaria it also happens to be the treatment against Chlamydia. Although you get condemned in this forum for even thinking the thought of having unprotected sex I would suggest (although it could be purely coincidental) that it would be part of the reason I have never contracted; syphilis, gonorrhea or Chlamydia while travelling in Cambodia.
If you are planning to go to PP stay at Flamingo hotel, have your breakfast in the Walkabout, lunch and dinner at the riverside restaurants and stay for 5 days to a week I would do very little. The only shots I would suggest are the small shots served in small glasses in bars around PP and maybe HEP A and B only because it generally is good to have especially if you are in to rimming and DATY.
Overall, don't ignore the risks. If you do not get the shots do take some care, and even if you do they do not all cover you 100%. Good personal hygiene, covering up against mosquito bites in remote areas etc are good practices. From experience I can tell you it is worth while avoiding Typhoid it can really make you sick. In my case intensive care sick! Typhoid is spread by eating shit. Often shit particles will be in the water or ice. Don’t deny yourself the experience of the real Cambodia including eating questionable stuff, it is part of the fun, just try as far as possible to stick to cooked food.
Have a great trip.
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Good report by cepu with a few innacuracies.The killing fields are about 30 minutes away and do indeed have shade,lots of large trees including the one that the babies heads were smashed against.
Tetanus shot is a good idea but I would never worry about anything else.Intestinal parasites are everywhere especially in food in the markets,that is the biggest risk i would say.
Lots of massage joints with fishbowls if one knows where to look but barangs are not really welcome so these places are not really shared by barang residents with outsiders.
Bluegreen,
Do you remember the name/location of the music/pool bar where you picked up Rani?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Bluegreen,
Do you remember the name/location of the music/pool bar where you picked up Rani?[/QUOTE]It was at one of the hostess bars in the line-up on Street 51. Might have been Pit Stop or Howie Bar, which are either side of Heart of Darkness. I've just realised that St.51 is probably well known on here already because it's only around the corner from the famous Walkabout Hotel, which comes highly recommended in the 'Hotels' thread.
In whichever one I was in, there's a blue pool table at the back with a laughably low ceiling and special half-cues for shots when the walls aren't wide enough. A couple of TVs playing foreign football matches, pop music, and a load of very friendly girls waiting for tourists. I think they're all similar anyway.
Sharky's (#126, Street 130) is bigger and usually livelier, with a load of pool tables, a lot more guys (if that makes you more comfortable), and a wider mix of freelance girls. Decent fast-food / diner menu as well.
[QUOTE=Bluegreen]A day or two later (having fired the first driver), a super-friendly tuk-tuk driver eventually wore me down while I was having a beer, and I agreed to let him take me to find a girl. He drove into the backstreets between Sihanouk and Monivong to what looked like a building site but was in fact a Vietnamese sauna/brothel. I've never been anywhere like it before or since, which makes me think it was somewhere that only usually sees locals. It was really weird inside, more like being in a tiger cage at the zoo (all concrete & tiles & corrugated roofing and breeze-blocks). I went into a small room where the 15-or-so girls lined up, almost all looking like they'd rather be somewhere else, and picked the only one who smiled at me. Small, plain, brunette, and totally un-ethnic looking (she could have been Russian by looks alone). Not one of them spoke a word of English, and didn't seem to understand Khmer either. Went into a small room (bed, bare lightbulb, small trolley with a towel) and then into an adjoining cell with a hosepipe and water bucket for a wash. Took all my clothes in a bundle with me. I'm naive, not completely stupid. I forget why but I wasn't in the mood for FS so had asked for just a $10 massage and (you may think I'm an idiot) but I'd agreed to shout the driver a screw as well (locals pay $10, or probably less actually). The girl was sweet enough but had no idea what was going on, and I remember getting increasingly mad that she seemed to have no clue how to massage, and nobody (the girl, driver or Chinese punk-looking young guy running the place) had any comprehension of what massage oil was, or was for. At one point my driver offered his tube of hair gel to use! One thing led to another and I ended up sitting on the bed stark-bollock naked. All of us in the room. Shouting at my driver, him shouting at the papasan guy, and he and the driver shouting at the girl. In the end I could see I wasn't getting anything near an acceptable massage out of this and would have an equally hard time getting any money back, so I demanded FS. For which they managed to get another $10 out of me on the condition that I would kill my driver if I didn't enjoy myself. Luckily it was the one thing the girl was quite good at. Showered and left, virtually dragging my driver out by collar (I'm not even sure if he bothered to take his trousers off). Fortunately by the time we got outside, my driver (a total BS artist) had made peace and we were friends again (he really was quite a funny & charming guy) and my mood was much improved because there was a fresh/chilled green coconut stand outside charging local prices (about 5p per coconut). You have to laugh. But after we got back to my hotel I did refuse to pay for any of the tuk-tuk fare, which he couldn't help but agree to.[/QUOTE]I laughed at this but you should have considered yourself lucky that a friendly tuk tuk driver offered to take you to a local place. I hope you haven't put him, the brothel's papasan and the girls off dealing with barangs in the future. It's difficult enough as it is to find these places. Most drivers just want to take you to all the tired old barang places like Sharkeys and Martinis. You should have just been polite and gone along with the FS. Thanks for the funny story though.
[QUOTE=Blackangst]Well, that scenario clearly falls under trafficking which is a seperate issue that this. I was responding to the statement that it is illegal to travel abroad for sex, even if of age, as defined by the above legislation. Clearly it is not illegal to monger, as the above wording doesnt even imply such.
Thats all =)[/QUOTE]I understand the Senate version may be looking at changing the language, but, indeed (I have been researching this thoroughly) the first version of the bill passed by one House does make any kind of mongering by an American in a foreign country illegal.
That I am sure of.
[QUOTE=Bluegreen]Health. Recommended vaccinations for Cambodia: [url]www.mdtravelhealth.com/destinations/asia/Cambodia.html[/url]
Phnom Penh can be a great stop-over if you get up late, relax by the riverside, get a massage, go and see Tuol Sleng, and spend a few nights with a cadre of cuties in one of the pool bars. But there's not much else I found to do, and the locals might drive you bat-shit crazy.
Bluegreen[/QUOTE]Never been in Cam. but with that report you can accurately have a very good impression of what to really expect of Phnom Pehn and making it your next destination if it float your boat
[QUOTE=Redfield10]the first version of the bill passed by one House does make any kind of mongering by an American in a foreign country illegal.
[/QUOTE]
Is that a result of your extreme feminism in US, and pushed by those ridiculous womens groups?
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Is that a result of your extreme feminism in US, and pushed by those ridiculous womens groups?
[/QUOTE]
No, Religious Right.
[QUOTE=Opebo]No, Religious Right.[/QUOTE]Actually, it is both the fem libs and the right wing.
I think it's actually both...
[QUOTE=Redfield10]I understand the Senate version may be looking at changing the language, but, indeed (I have been researching this thoroughly) the first version of the bill passed by one House does make any kind of mongering by an American in a foreign country illegal.
That I am sure of.[/QUOTE]If you dont mind will you link the bill? The bill I quoted from is from the house's site and was passed.
so let's see - IF I live in Nevada, it must be unlawful as well?
Just so we understand each other, aside from CLARK and WASHOE counties, P4P in NEVADA is "legal" (expensive, but LEGAL)
Cut the BS folks - the bill had to do with MINORS, not P4P n general. They have more important things to worry about than a money exchange
Would be nice if the discussion about "the bill" could go in the general info section or someplace. It just buries the info about PP farther back in the thread.
RMW
i'm about to wrap up my newbie pp trip of three weeks. thought i would pass along what info i could. many thanks for past posts in this thread that helped greatly.
phnom penh is pretty easy to navigate because all the streets have numbers as well as names. here is a good map that shows a lot of the bars and hotels. [url]http://www.canbypublications.com/maps/ppmaphhr.htm[/url]
btw i'm using a 15 inch laptop with a screen resolution of 1024 x 768. when i say something is an inch on the map it might be a little different on your screen.
if you come straight down from wat phnom (upper right) you will see street 51 (between norodom blvd. and street 63). if you come down 51 to 174 you will see walkabout (hotel, fl in bar) on the map. up and to the right just a little is flamingos on 172 (popular choice for a hotel) and about half an inch north of walkabout you see heart or darkness (disco)(hod) on 51 on the map. there are a few bars rep001tered around the block where hod is located.
the central market (phsar thmey) is the huge building with it's four large wings. street 63 appears to go right into the building. the building is much larger on the map than actual scale. if you look at the wing that points east toward the river right next to it you will see crycee (st) and mikado (st) on the map. mikado is one block west of norodom on 136. once you find it no problem finding le cyrcee. note: as of last night mikado is still closed from a raid a week ago. hopefully it will return soon.
if you go east, toward the river, about an inch and up just a little from cyrcee you will see sharky's (big bar/restaurant/hangout place with fl) on street 130. it is slightly closer to norodom than sisowath (the street that runs along the river).
the large north south street to the left of the central market is monivong blvd. if you follow it south past sihanouk blvd. and look over to the left just a little you will see street 350 (not directly connected to monivong). you will see martini pub (outdoor restaurant/drinking/disco/fl) on the corner of 350 and what appears to be called street 95/97. but just ask a driver to take you martini’s. be warned you will get drivers that don't understand anything you are really saying but will nod their head, say ok and pretend they know english. before going off somewhere you don't know how to actually get to you might want to test your driver’s english ability. i've had to point the way for a few drivers who had no clue what i said but nodded when i said where i wanted to go.
if you take street 178 all the way to the river all those happy pizza places will be there on your left. also a great mexican restaurant named the cantina is in that area. not far from all the pizza places there is an atm that doesn't charge the $2 that the anz atms charge foreign cards. there is an obvious sign that says 24 hour atm or something like that. there is also a no fee canadia atm on the first floor of the new mall. it is a free standing atm and is right next to the canadia bank branch located in the south building of the mall (not under the dome). also there is another fee free atm about one block east of sharky’s on the other side of the street. btw atms dispense us dollars in cambodia and most everything is paid for in us dollars. since my card charges no fees at all and the atm charges no fee i sometimes run my card three times at $40 a pop. so i end up with $120 in $10 bills to avoid having to break $50 bills. if your card charges fees at your bank the $40 thing won't be good for you but at least you shouldn't have to pay the $2 foreign card fee like with anz. plus it’s not that hard to break $50 bills but you might have a problem at some smaller places. btw there are several anz atms around if you don't mind paying the $2 fee. including one in the lobby of the flamingos hotel.
most of the hostess bars near the river are easy. i wish it was as easy to know which girls will go and which won't. the bars basically start with one or two on street 102 and go down to about street 148. i would say the main concentration is on 104 (zanzibar, bar 104, etc) and 136 (bar 69, bar 136, etc). but almost any of these streets could have bars within a block of the river. up near 102 there are some bars on the first street off the river that is parallel to the river. so all you really need to do is figure out where you want to start. it is almost impossible to get lost and safety doesn't seem to be an issue. i sometimes start at sharky's to eat and check out the fl. but there are so many good restaurants along the river i often just head straight over and eat and then start hitting the clubs. often i wander back to le cyrcee or mikado for a st and then head back to the hotel (flamingos) or stop at one of the little bars on 51 just before the hotel and have a few drinks.
oh and lets not forget sophie’s everyone's favorite and most interesting bj bar. it is upstairs at the corner of 53 and 118.
a note on hostess bars. some of the girls will go out with a customer and some won’t. it is up to you to figure this all out. but after a while it becomes easier. hey i usually just ask. several girls will crowd around you when you walk in and start giving you a back rub, etc. that is their job and don’t feel obligated to buy lady drinks, etc unless there is someone you really want to get to know better. if i spend a lot of time with a girl i usually buy her a drink or give a little tip if i leave without her.
i intentionally left out shanghai bar as no one i know had any luck getting a girl out of there (yes i know it can be done but the odds aren’t great imo). i also don’t frequent the viet brothels. as one poster stated earlier the girls look like they don’t want to be there (do they have a choice?). that makes me feel like i don’t want to be there so i just avoid these places. again, up to you.
flamingos is a good spot to stay for mongers. but i personally don’t care much for the fl action at walkabout or hod so next time i may try and get near the river. lots of places to stay near the river, just make sure it is ok to bring a girl back to your room.
rmw
I guess that from what I've read, my experience at Shanghai Bar was not the norm. I went in a couple of times just to have some beers. One of the better looking girls approached me both times, and we chatted for a while. I asked her if she wanted to have dinner. She said yes, and made plans with me on her day off. So, no bar fine.
On the night of our date, we had dinner, and afterwards, she took me around to different bars. She told me what most here say...that most girls at Shanghai will not have sex with clients, but only go out somewhat like we were doing at that moment. I figured that nothing else would happen, and decided just to enjoy the evening with her.
We ended up at the bar at my hotel, and soon afterwards, went to my room. She stayed almost the entire evening. She claimed that she had only had sex with two other men in her life, and both were serious boyfriends. She didn't charge me anything; she didn't ask for anything.
I didn't see her for a few days, and finally received an email. She said that she had been sick; apologized, and hoped we could see each other soon. By this time, I had become involved with someone else, so I never did see her again.
After eight nights Mikado is still closed and Le Cyrcee is still take out only. Went by a little after 11 last night.
On the Shanghai thing we had a group of five in there for a few days and nights. We were staying at Flamingos and Walkabout so that was the meet up place. A lot of the day girls just flat told us they don't go out. I have a younger friend who usually does quite well in Thailand and PI. He had no luck in Shanghai. He talked to the manager who pointed out a few girls that he said weren't married or in a relationship. I also heard a story about a guy that had a girl finally go with him after he came back for his second trip. It obviously can be done with work or maybe luck. But too much hassle for me for likely no results. We tired of the place and moved to a different meet up place. FWIW
RMW
Got the low down on the latest crack down the other night. Sophies is closed, LCC now has no rooms.
Seems that the mikado were making videos in the rooms when the boys arrived, cost for the owner will be 60 to a hundred K.
Things may be back to normal after new year, but maybe not.
Seems that on a recent visit the queen of spain gave money to HS's wife to close down the obvious targets.
Of course business as usual at most khmer joints.
Went to shanghai the other night and bought drinks for several girls including a real honey. But most are after something long term, not interested in the blow ins.
Hi,
I will be in PP next week.. can somebody of us tell me where I can find a nice massage with special services at the end?
Thanks
Try the heaven hotel, massage upstairs at the back.
It is on the corner of Street 19 and 118 I think.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Got the low down on the latest crack down the other night. Sophies is closed, LCC now has no rooms.
Seems that the mikado were making videos in the rooms when the boys arrived, cost for the owner will be 60 to a hundred K.[/QUOTE]Movies in the room? Like pornos? Or spycams? The short time rooms always looked fishy to me. : P
The WoTW website may have played a part as they actively posted videos of the mikado girls in action onsite on their paysite. Dumbasses.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Seems that on a recent visit the queen of spain gave money to HS's wife to close down the obvious targets.[/QUOTE]
Wait, so the queen of Spain made a request that Le Cyrcee would stop giving blow jobs and FS on the premises but rather offer take-out only?* I have to say, I admire the woman's attention to detail, though not sure she's come up with a comprehensive solution.
* I can picture the negotiation session on this one: "OK, here's what I'll do, I can't give 3 million, but I'm going to make it 1 million, and rather than shut it down completely, how about if we just close the backrooms, alright? So... what do you think, Mrs. Hun... do we have a deal?"
[QUOTE=Dreams1973]Hi,
I will be in PP next week.. can somebody of us tell me where I can find a nice massage with special services at the end?
Thanks[/QUOTE]The Sakura Hotel, number 30 street 242 near the American Embassy.
I have been to one on 63rd on corner with 174 I think, but little bit more towards the central market. It is a hotel with $4 massage advertised outside.
One girl is actually very good at massage (thai standard). Just ask the boss for a girl that can do the job properly.
I then paid $10 for sex, I know maybe too much, considering this can be had with a beauty from walkabout, if you get lucky. But after a thirty min rub, its hard to say no. Don't be tempted by the 5000reil places (which actually cost $3) off 51st street past Heart. The girls are rough as hell, have no idea how to massage and want to finish you after 5 mins of massage. They are pig ugly too.
Info Request from me.
I have read reports about viet ran brothels on 63rd. But that road is huge, can someone give me an actual location? And typical prices please (not tourist rates).
By the way, doesn't PP have tyhe chicken farm equivalents of Sinouk and KohKong (5 bucks a pop/$7 for nicer hotel rooms)? If so, where!
[QUOTE=Dreams1973]Hi,
I will be in PP next week.. can somebody of us tell me where I can find a nice massage with special services at the end?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Good massage and special services do not normally go hand in hand in Cambodia. THey either have a good massage with no real service (possible HJ) or a service posing as massage. Stick with Thailand for the best of both worlds.
Best massage you'll find in Golden Tower (casino/hotel) next to Olympic stadium. Daytime $4 for real sauna and 1 hr body massage and very high class facilities (think fold out LCD's at each foot massage chair kind of high class). $8 in evening. Ask for a Chinese girl and please tip the girls at least $3 since they only make 50% off the massage.
For services posing as massage there are plenty enough every block. Luck of the draw there and my luck has always been shit quality of service. The odds are always against you finding decent service or quality of girl. Tip is they always ask for 30-50. Don't be a shit and give it. 10-20 is fine. You can fuck cute girls around the corner for 5-10.
Hollow Man
Phnom Penh: mongering field report (March 08)
To repay the kindness of all the guys giving me advice on this website about mongering in PP, I decided it is time to come up with a field report myself.
Thanks also to the guys who run this website for all their work and one idea: Why not give out free one year membership to guys who offer substantial reports in order to enhance the actual information content of this great website. At this point there seems to be a great deal of insubstantial gossip going on. Lets concentrate on what we are here for.
INTRO
The river promenade is all dug up now, not a very nice location to stay anymore as a big fence is blocking most of the river views.
I stayed around capitol guesthouse, decent fan room for 5 $, safe, clean, best if you put your own lock on the door like at Narin II. Why spend more? Gives you more money to spend on pussy.
Easy to get a sim card now, just go to Sorya Market with your passport and biz card of your hotel, hand over 14 $ and you get 2 month validity and 5 $ talk time from "Hello"
Streets: improved a lot over the past years, most dirt roads are replaced now by surfaced roads.
BARS
Manga Bar / Love Story / Dingo Bar: all closed
Happy Man: bunch of not very pretty but friendly gals, mostly Khmer
Golden Vine / Vodoo s. Th. Bar: same, lots of girls, ok pretty, barfine and fuck them for 10 to 15 $
Cyrcee: bunch of horny little girls, can feel up their cunts on your bar seat, very pushy to get you to fuck them in a short time room.
Sharkies: 8pm, empty, 10 pm next day, more guys than girls, very average mix of Khmer and Viets
Heart: lot of Westerners, some Khmer/Viet hookers, some local girls that can be fucked, they seem to like everybody, who can pay a drink.
Some western cunts parading around, luckily they realize they loose their power in a place with so many Asian hotties.
Mikado: tried on two different days, always closed (police lock down or s. Th.)
Martini: maybe still the best place, choose your girl without much interference from Mamasan, although some older cunts try to act like Mamasans to squeeze more bucks out of stupid white man, just ignore them.
Famous Sophie: police closed it for now, too bad, always nice to have your cock sucked for 1 $ on the bar chair.
There is something boiling up in PP, the police makes it harder and harder for us to monger, pressured by the West with the threat to cut down foreign aid, should this stay a mongering heaven.
BROTHELS
63 STREET
Hard to find now, they don t call you in as a Westerner, had to use a moto to find them. When you come from Central market, one place on the left, house number 63 or 69. Total rip-off, agreed on 7 $ to pop a hot Viet ****. The **** insisted to hang my trouser next to the door. I insisted to have it on the back, then the **** insisted to massage me looking away from my trouser.
Does **** think I am so stupid. I guess it works with some stupid man. **** realizes she can not steal from my wallet, so she refuses to be fucked at all, forget about the massage, I force my hard cock in her pretty little ****, and leave that place quickly. Waste of time.
One more place on the right side, number 99/63, decent choice of Viet ****, didn’t actually fuck a girl, but some pretties.
136 STREET
All seem closed, one place let us in after banging against the iron gate (10 $ Viet cuties, no girl would suck)
294 Street down to the river, at the very end. A bunch of low grade brothels, offer some Cam pussy. Some look pretty young, offer me very young pussy. Might be a ploy, don’t know, maybe trapping stupid falang, you finance the Khmer police big time, if you have to bribe your way out and you finance those fancy SUV of the Western morality NGO police cunts. They just caught one of those hypocrite child protectors molesting a 10y old. Why would you wanna work with kids anyway. That probably being the main reason.
TOUL KHOK
Lots of small roadside brothels, got two pops for 5$ each, (they asked 10$) my moto driver got it for less. Qualitity varies a lot, some aids infested girls for sure, some hotties too, guess the cheapest option in PP.
STREET MEAT
108 street towards Monivong, some girls, a lot of Khmer guys too (pimps? ) very dark, looked dodgy, didn’t check it out
Sorya Market up to 63 street, some hookers pimped by young Khmer lads, asking ridiculous 20 to 23 $ for short time. I passed.
From Independence Monument down to the river, lots of locals at dusk, chances to chat up some local girls.
More experiences:
**** 1: Martini, very pretty, 10$, sucked and fucked well, even pretended for me to enjoy it by making some noises and faces.
**** 2: Martini, little thing, pretended to be so innocent, but then body full of stretch marks and pussy wide and loose. Would not suck. Send her home without any cash, no performance, not reward, didn’t feel like a mercy fuck.
**** 3: Martini, not very pretty ****, but said would let me fuck her arse for 5 $, then in the room, no sucking no arse fucking, I kicked her out with 3$. She hammered at my door for 15 minutes to get more money out of me until hotel security finally removed her. Got to teach those cunts to perform or walk.
SUMMARY
Yes, the good old times are gone, for sure. It's still cheaper than Thailand, but the quality of the services is very unsteady. Lots of dummies overpaying the cunts. Monthly salary for a girl is 30 $ in a restaurant or other service industries. Locals pay 3 $ per pop. Stupid white man pay up to 30 $ per pop and teach the cunts to rule the world like in the West. Treat them fair, but don t pamper the girls, I see their attitude worsen every year. When I came here first, pussy happy delivered their services, some stuck their tongues up my arse, just to please me. These times are gone, they learned quickly from us Westerners (and Japs), who are being brainwashed by Western pussies, that their fuck holes are so special. That is what Western **** is teaching us to believe and what we happily buy into.
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I have been to one on 63rd on corner with 174 I think, but little bit more towards the central market
- about two more blocks towards market
It is a hotel with $4 massage advertised outside
- hotel 'bun' , something like that. The massage is for an hour , and in a private room on ground floor of the hotel. About 20 girls to choose from behind glass wall. I have tipped just 2 or 3 dollars for plain massage- had no complaints from the girls.
Note that there is a hotel/guesthouse under renovation next door called Sov Pak. Its full of Cambodians coming and going at night on motos. I went upstairs one night but the guy at the desk said 'no'. Every time i look around someone says 'no' - you can't come in. Its definatley a brothel as saw lots of girls sat around upstairs.
About my request for chicken type services in PP. i would travel a little bit outside PP if needed. Just don't know where!
Several people have said PP has gone downhill lately. I first went there 12 years ago, and yes, the quality has gone south while the ages have gone north. However, what's the alternative? Bangkok is getting so expensive you may as well stay at home, and Pattaya isn't much better. Angeles City is still relatively good value, but prices are shooting up there as well, and the quality isn't great. At least prices in PP are still low, although personally I can look around all evening and find nothing worth grabbing (but the hunt can still be fun!). Can't understand people talking about 'supermodels' at Walkabout : unless there's been a revolution in the last month or so, you gotta be kidding! The only lookers in there are already with guys.I haven't seen a good looking girl in Sharkey for 5 years.The best looking girls in Shanghai don't go with customers. In Cyrcee, Sophies and Mikado I can't fight off the mob who surround you long enough to pick out a cutie (if there are any). On my last five trips, I haven't taken anyone except from Martini. If you want a place that's pleasant, still cheap and not hard-nosed, try Vientiane (Laos).
Check out the latest advertisement from World Vision in the photo section under same report name. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=725126#post725126[/url]
This appeared on the back page of the latest After Dark magazine. I am told that it has a very subtle mesage referring to the bars of a jail but I needed that explaining to me as I really thought it was, at least in part, referring to the Bars that had advertised in the magazine I was holding.
I am not the only person to misinterpret the message and I am told that a small delegation of bar owners told the Editors that they should desist from such messages if they wanted their continued custom.
The text relies on the picture to convey it's message and if the text is published in isolation it will become increasingly difficult to justify a mongering trip to Cambodia.
The other World Vision ads I have seen conveyed a mesage from the picture and were quite obvious, but this one frightens me more than a little bit.
NanaHawk
Phnom Penh is still a city in which you need to take care; just ask the guy wandering around the Flamings Hotel today with his head bandaged up and being taken to Bangkok this afternoon in order to have it checked out fully.
It seems he was returning from Martinis on motodup and they were jumped. He was robbed and is feeling the worse for the experience today.
These incidents are not common but they do happen. The suggestion, quoted previously, to stick to known drivers may be wise to heed at the moment. For the sake of a few dollars it may be worth ensuring your safety by taking a moto from outside your hotel and consider paying for them to wait for you.
I have tried to avoid the Flamingos motodup drivers as they always want 3x the standard rate and we always part with neither of us being totally happy. I recently posted the number of a motodup rider, Someth (092285158), together with his business card and will vouch for him 100%. He, and his friend Jenda (092633627) both base themselves at Howies on an Evening which is a short enough walk from Flamingos to use them regularly. Consider giving them the business and being safe. As before, mention my name and I may get a free trip on my next visit.
NanaHawk
Walkabout Hotel is on the corner of street 174 and street 51. If you walk up street 174 for one block you come to Street 63. If you turn left on street 63 and walk one block you come to street 178. If you continue walking for a half block (on the left hand side) you come to a small alley (or drive way, which is about 15 feet wide). On the corner of the alley and Street 63 is a place called Cafe Trang Ngyuen (or similar spelling). It has a white front, and a big double door opening. Usually a fair number a girls, some quite cute, and I have never had a problem with them putting my pants at the door so my pocket could be picked. I usually pay $10, up-front. Once I paid $15.
[quote=nanahawk]check out the latest advertisement from world vision.. it will become increasingly difficult to justify a mongering trip to cambodia.. this one frightens me more than a little bit. nanahawk[/quote]while there have been some high-profile cases in recent years (gary glitter being the uk's particular shame), i refuse to believe that your average, respectful tourist/monger is going to accidentally collide with the depraved & indefensible end of the **** sex industry. just stick to the popular monger/massage haunts and stay away from the concealed, strangely high-security & high-priced ones! if you're still not sure, ask to see her id before you take her anywhere. you can still change your mind if you're not convinced. it's not rocket science.
it should be obvious anyway, but the nasty paedo/secretive end of the market also charge a lot more for the service, so always stick to girls who are the normal rate!
also, never wholly believe a single source of the media/ngo on anything without getting some perspective on 'the bigger picture' from other outlets:
[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=207&itemid=52[/url]
most notably (from the article):
[quote=phnom penh post]..however, instances of ****philia by westerners represent a small percentage of sex crime in cambodia.. "the government is keen to say westerners are the problem but in reality cambodians are the biggest problem,” morrish said. “most of the population is khmer; it is khmers who own and frequent ktv and karaoke bars and brothels.”[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bluegreen].....If you're still not sure, ask to see her ID before you take her anywhere. You can still change your mind if you're not convinced. It's not rocket science......[/QUOTE]
Hi Bluegreen,
methinks you have missed my point.
I have spent enough time in Asia to understand fully how the scene works but am pointing out how World Vision are saying things that we should all be aware of. It is these sort of statements that make it more and more difficult to justify trips to Cambodia!!
Nanahawk
After a quick chat with the guy who was robbed it seems that the situation was a little more concerning.....
Previous advice in the city has always been to 'never resist' and 'just give the mugger what you have' but on this occassion there was not any request for money and, after being stopped, he was struck from behind and left in a pool of blood.
I'm thinking that the couple of 'big fellows' that work from Walkabout may begin to get more business so as to provide further peace of mind. (Seriously one of these guys is about 6 1/2 feet tall and looks a little strange on moto!).
No idea how the injured guy is but he did get off to Bangkok safely.
Nanahawk
Whats thee current status on Mikado and Sophie? Still closed? Any news?
Still closed as of today.
And LCC only take away. Tell me it will be over soon. I will arrive soon!
Sophies closed. Sure, but LeCyrcee. Oh my!
Yes, it is a shame what is happening in PP! It is a shadow of what is was in just as recent as 2003. Too many tourists, overpaying & posting on the net. As far as the WebSite 4 WOTW, it contributes to the decline, but those vids at Mikado were shot & posted long ago...most of those gals in the vids are long gone. I know cause I have my own vids of these same girls, many of them shot upstairs at Hope & Anchor Guesthouse (back when it was called "Mikey's) in 2003. The gals were fine, young & naive...I remember having to help them put on the lingerie, before I pounded them, as they had no clue how to put on lingerie. Oh, the memories!!! I was there just last Februrary & found the pickings pretty slim..never took one there, but did slam a nice Muslim Gal in LCC. I will be back in a few months, till then...Good Luck Guys & Happy Hunting! D1423
[QUOTE=Dragon1423]Yes, it is a shame what is happening in PP![/QUOTE]
Yeah, it seems so following this thread here.
Myself also had lots of fun in PP, roughly 2001-2003, last visit in 2004.
Since then I've never been back again.
Not worth it anymore compared with other Asian places.
Good luck to all visitors!
Cheers!
went to a massage place near martini's. not a bad place at all. i walked in, they asked if i was there for a massage. i said yes and was shown a room. i was asked if i wanted viet or khmer. i opted for the viet girl. the room had an elevated area with a mattress, sheets and pillow, aircon, tv, and a bathroom with shower. 1 hour massage was $8. if you wanted 2 hour then it was $7 per hour.
about 5 minutes later the girl came in. she was very, very pretty. 25 yo about 5'5" and just right tits - not too big and not too small, with nice nipples. i had to go to the bathroom 1st and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url]. i finished but there was no toilet paper. she started the shower for me and then cleaned my ass of the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] with soap and water. my kind of girl ! !
after shower, she dried me off and we went to the mattress. she started to massage me but i stopped her and started kissing her instead. got her clothes off and continued dfk while my hands roamed her tits and pussy. after she was wet and moaning put on a condom and mounted her. her pussy was perfect, not too tight and not too loose. fit my cock just right. did mish and doggy with her and then came.
a little snuggling, talking, watch a little tv, and a light massage before she started sucking me to get me going again. this time just straight mish as i wanted to just pound that beautiful pussy. so stayed 2 hours with her. $14 for the establishment and i tipperd her $20 because it was a great gfe. i went back a few days later and did the same. i plan on making her a regular when in pp.
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Not worth it anymore compared with other Asian places.[/QUOTE]Which other locations would you recommend these days? I've thought about the Philippines, Laos and Myanmar but Southern China seems tempting too. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Taloha]Went to a massage place near Martini's. Not a bad place at all.[/QUOTE]Hi, any details on the street location of this place? MP name? And of course, the girl's name/number? :) Thanks.
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]Hi Bluegreen, methinks you have missed my point.
I have spent enough time in Asia to understand fully how the scene works but am pointing out how World Vision are saying things that we should all be aware of. It is these sort of statements that make it more and more difficult to justify trips to Cambodia!!
Nanahawk[/QUOTE]Sorry NH. Perhaps I'm having a dense moment then, but I'm not sure what you mean about having to try any harder to justify a Cambo trip? Do you mean because you/others may be inadvertently supporting the bad stuff? Or that Cambodia and PP aren't worth visiting if the mongering scene is too dubious/risky? Maybe I'm still wrong?.
Wow, has Cambodia dried up or is it just "off season" and no one's posting?
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Wow, has Cambodia dried up or is it just "off season" and no one's posting?[/QUOTE]Maybe the NGO`s are jumping up and down and the cambodian government have to clean up the brothels for now.
I got here yesterday for a break from that terrible Thai holiday that is Songkran, only to find that the Khmer New Year is the same damn dates.
136 - dropped in at about 10. I don't think I'll ever come here again. It's not as bad as Shanghai bar, but it's still pretty bad. The staff are pretty hot, and I started chatting up this 23 year old hottie named Tina (or maybe it was Tia). I buy her a drink and we go in the back for a more intimate chat, but chemistry just isn't there. Her bargirl friends kept coming in and sitting with us so it was nearly impossible to talk with her alone. After an hour of bullshit, I got up and paid the bill and left. Never again.
Le Cyrcee - walked in around midnight. I wanted some lovin from my Viet girl, Junto, who is a complete nympho. To my dismay she had gone home the week before. Her friend was there (also a Viet) but she was a real ***** so passed. This other Khmer came up to me - her name is Sofia. 22 years old, hot body. We kissed a little, but the french-kissing wasn't too deep. Since you can't bang these girls on the premises anymore, the prices have gone up:
ST: BF $4, $20 to girl
LT: BF $7 $40 to girl
The lovely Sofia told me that she'd tell the bar that I would only take her ST so I only had to pay $4 BF. I said sure and off we went. We got to the room and she told me that she had to go at 5am. That isn't long time, I said. Well, I wasn't in the mood to argue, but I told her that I wanted to do it twice. The sex was just okay. BBBJ, but she kept treating my dick like a lollypop, and wouldn't got past the tip. I did feel her come when we started going at it, but I sent her on her way after one pop. I just didn't feel like watching her watch tv for a few hours while I waited for another pop. Gave her $25, which she seemed okay with.
By the way, Le Cyrcee is closed tonight through the 17th because of the New Year, and 136 will be closed tomorrow. I imagine a lot of the other bars are doing the same, which is a shame.
Two more legitimate massage places:
Golden Towers or Town? Hotel/casino. Ask moto to take you to Olympic stadium. Its the large cream coloured building.
3 dollar foot, 4 dollar body, 5 dollar body with oil (recommended). I tip 4 dollars. Best masages I have had in PP up to now. Had both Chinese and Cambodian girls. Nice private rooms, proper massage tables, trained girls and you even get wrapped up in half a dozen hot towels at the end.
Next time I'll go for the 2 hour oil (8 dollars). It's that good.
Nearby have atlantic club/spa. Massage 6 dollar, oil 10 dollar. Went in but was directed to a communal massage room so I declined.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I wanted some lovin from my Viet girl, Junto, who is a complete nympho.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Mangofan. Seems things are quiet out there. Would you happen to have a snapshot of Junto? I still haven't got a clue what she looks like.
Reading Mangofans post, if i find i have to go to Thailand when its songkran then i just pop over to poipet the border town in Cambodia and gamble untill songkrans over.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Le Cyrcee - walked in around midnight. I wanted some lovin from my Viet girl, Junto, who is a complete nympho. To my dismay she had gone home the week before. Her friend was there (also a Viet) but she was a real ***** so passed.[/QUOTE]I agree Janto is a fucking nymp. She does the fucking lot. I took her from Walkabout last night, so unless she went this morning, her friend is full of shit. I know her friend at LCC too and she is a lying slag and would have been lying to you just to get business. For the record though, her friend licks ass too and also when you blow your load in her mouth she does this porno move of opening her mouth and showing you the cum, then lets it dribble down her chin as she eats it. Quite the actress!
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Thanks for the update Mangofan. Seems things are quiet out there. Would you happen to have a snapshot of Junto? I still haven't got a clue what she looks like.[/QUOTE]I've got a few snaps for you.
Thanks, FreeWilly, for the pics. She's a cutie! I prefer hiring gals with a solid reputation and Janto seems to be one name that pops up in that category. Do you remember what she charged from the Walkabout?
Also, while we're at it, what's the name of Janto's friend, the chin dribbler? ;) Thanks much.
[QUOTE=Free Willy0000]I agree Janto is a fucking nymp. She does the fucking lot. I took her from Walkabout last night, so unless she went this morning, her friend is full of shit. I know her friend at LCC too and she is a lying slag and would have been lying to you just to get business. For the record though, her friend licks ass too and also when you blow your load in her mouth she does this porno move of opening her mouth and showing you the cum, then lets it dribble down her chin as she eats it. Quite the actress![/QUOTE]
Fucking hell!!! I knew she was lying and refused to take her out because of it. Came back to Thailand last night because everything is closed in PP - most of the restaurants and many of the bars. Had a very frustrating night my last night there (which I'll post later) so I just said fuck it and came back. If I knew Junto was in town I'd have stayed. Might have to go back next month.
Do you have her phone number? PM me please!
Has any one been in the Mango bar, its the only place in Phnom penh were I have found a bar full of young woman.
[QUOTE=Niknoy]Has any one been in the Mango bar, its the only place in Phnom penh were I have found a bar full of young woman.[/QUOTE]I think you mean manga, and I thought that it had closed.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]I think you mean manga, and I thought that it had closed.[/QUOTE]Yes I did mean Manga, and its closed allready.
I'll have to check it out when I go to Cams in a couple of months time.
Does anyone know if the Asia Hotel is girl-friendly? Planning a trip in November. I stayed at Walkabout the last time, and my room wasn't too too clean, although there was non-stop action at the bar downstairs. Sorry, last time I didn't have the time to do proper research. Next trip will be different.
can't say for sure - but I've never found a hotel in PP that WASN'T GF
right around the corner is Chiplay - a tad bit more expensive, but seemed cleaner to me. My objections to WA were the narrow stairs and no lift
BTW - Manga is still listed in the yellow pages - Street 110, just off the river
I don’t know whether the Asia Hotel is girlfriend friendly or not.
I recommend the Asia Palace Hotel. This hotel is girl-friendly. We stayed here for three nights in February and there was no problem to take a girl for the night.
The Asia Palace Hotel is some 100 m away from the Asia Hotel. We booked via Internet [url]http://www.asiapalacehotel.com.kh/En/Promotion_En.aspx[/url]
(three nights for 105 $) At this webpage a “Free airport pick up” is announced. Unfortunately, no driver appeared at the airport. In the hotel, nobody knew about this service. I spoke with the manager and he agreed - after showing him a printout of this webpage - without discussion to reduce the price of accommodation by 10 $ (the price for the taxi)
The hotel is clean and quiet. The stuff is friendly. The rooms are equipped with AC and one safe (combination lock). Breakfast is included, but not a great think.
Other hotels I read about to be girl-friendly are Flamingo (close to Walkabout, you should know it) and Good Luck Hotel (same street as Asia Hotel and Asia Palace Hotel)
[QUOTE=Lucky Fellow] I spoke with the manager and he agreed - after showing him a printout of this webpage - without discussion to reduce the price of accommodation by 10 $ (the price for the taxi)[/QUOTE]
FYI, I was picked up free by Flamingo's bus last time in PP but the wait was long cuz one hotel guest apparently missed his flight, and we waited a long time til it was obvious he wasn't there. In the meantime, I was feeling impatient and asked normal taxis how much to go to the hotel. They told me $5.
The taxi drivers outside Flamingo, btw, ask for $8 to take you to the airport, which is the price the hotel will quote you.
The moral: negotiate. The going rate for locals obviously must be less than $5. So just tell the driver "$4." If he comes back with $10, then say "Last month I pay $4. I pay $4" and see what happens.
It's a free market. Those guys at the airport look forward to getting more from foreigners and people with money than they would elsewhere, fair enough -- but there's no reason we can't also use our bargaining power like locals do. Eventually you'll settle on a price that's acceptable to both sides, and if you're not too bothered about paying a bit more, if he's a decent negotiator you probably will.
[QUOTE=Wendella].....The taxi drivers outside Flamingo, btw, ask for $8 to take you to the airport, which is the price the hotel will quote you. ....[/QUOTE]
Hi Wendella,
The argument I've heard in the past, from various hoteliers, is that the higher price is justifiable as they have full insurance cover and the cheap ones probably do not. Is this totally true, I don't know, but it makes me think twice before opting for the cheapest option around. Quite strange when you consider that I'll spend the majority of my trip on the back of a motobike where there is zero insurance and much more insecurity!!!
Hawk
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]Hi Wendella,
The argument I've heard in the past, from various hoteliers, is that the higher price is justifiable as they have full insurance cover and the cheap ones probably do not. Is this totally true, I don't know, but it makes me think twice before opting for the cheapest option around. Quite strange when you consider that I'll spend the majority of my trip on the back of a motobike where there is zero insurance and much more insecurity!!!
Hawk[/QUOTE]There is no such thing as insurance cover for taxis. In fact, almost everything in Cambodia is not insured because most people are not aware of its importance and even if they do, they cannot afford to pay the premium. Insurance companies only started offering their polices in Cambodia two or three years back and most of policyholders are still Western educated Cambodians and big foreign businesses. Even the car rented from tour agencies are not insured. EVEN MOST CARS ON THE STREET ARE NOT INSURED. No Cambodian motodup can afford to buy insurance coverage and will not bother to even if they can.
And FYI, just like insurance coverage, most electronics sold in Cambodia are sold without any kind of warranty. If the shop ever entertain your complaints, it is out of sheer goodwill or the desire to uphold whatever reputation they may have among its customers and NOT BECAUSE they are legally and contractually bound to. In Cambodia, it is caveat emptor. From the moment you handed over your money.
AtLUCKY FELLOW
There is no such thing as a non girl-friendly hotel in Phnom Penh. From luxury Cambodiana, InterCon to budget no-star guesthouses, I have never heard of any cases of guests being prohibited from bringing any guests, female or male, to their room and my friends and I have been to many of them. Unless there are some hotels that are operated and funded by NGOs, which I didn; t know of, and can afford to operate at a loss, no hotels in Phnom Penh can afford to or risk gaining a reputation for being difficult as most visitors to Phnom Penh are mongers and lonely businessmen who almost always got lonely at night.
I'm sorry if this question might deviate from the norm here, but when I go to Bangkok, I always find that good tasty food is the perfect prelude to a nice night out. My last trip to PP was a bit below par because I stayed at the Walkabout and their food was very much catered to the Western appetite. When I ventured out to the street around the Walkabout, I noticed that the food being served was unrecognizable and therefore a bit of a turn-off. Is there any hotel that is either in close proximity to good food or has a good kitchen that churns out tasty Khmer food?
Or is there such a thing as good Khmer food? Or did the Khmer Rouge destroyed good food as well?
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]Hi Wendella,
The argument I've heard in the past, from various hoteliers, is that the higher price is justifiable as they have full insurance cover and the cheap ones probably do not. Is this totally true, I don't know, but it makes me think twice before opting for the cheapest option around. Quite strange when you consider that I'll spend the majority of my trip on the back of a motobike where there is zero insurance and much more insecurity!!!
Hawk[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have no idea, that didn't occur to me. Though I have to say, I'd have doubts they have real auto insurance.
it's why I use a motion sensor lock and a cable one, too.
security is a "bit lacking" - aside from the front desk, what security is there at hotels?
spaceman - there are some acceptable Khmer restaurants over on street 19 north of street 172 on the corners of the intersection - maybe a couple of blocks. English menu, or "point and ask" works well. Prices are a bit better in Riel than $$ (but not much - the difference between 4060 and 4000:1)
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]. Is there any hotel that is either in close proximity to good food or has a good kitchen that churns out tasty Khmer food?
Or is there such a thing as good Khmer food? Or did the Khmer Rouge destroyed good food as well?[/QUOTE]I usually eat on the riverfront at a different place each meal. Also try Boeung Kak lake, the moto drivers usually know the area that tourists go.Lots of cheap places.
Both areas cater to all tastes, including Khmer food, Vietnamese, Western, ect.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13] Is there any hotel that is either in close proximity to good food or has a good kitchen that churns out tasty Khmer food?
Or is there such a thing as good Khmer food? Or did the Khmer Rouge destroyed good food as well?[/QUOTE]
Surprised that you are really finding this a problem. There are many many places in PP that serve up great K grub. For upscale try the Lemon Grass I think it is on 136 or just one over from Sharky's, but it is very expensive for Cambodian standards.
I would recommend trying the local pot lucks down by the Central Market. You may squirm at the conditions and enviornment, but the food is very good both in flavor and value. In addition go outside the fold and experiment.
Cheers
Hummer
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13] Is there any hotel that is either in close proximity to good food or has a good kitchen that churns out tasty Khmer food?
Or is there such a thing as good Khmer food? Or did the Khmer Rouge destroyed good food as well?[/QUOTE]
Hi Al,
the best Khmer food has always been available at the Pon Lok Restaurant on Sisowath Quay and there are many hotels along that stretch. The food covers all tastes, and some that I struggle to see anyone having, and it has a great location with the option of 'balcony' seating with view over Tonle Sap. The restaurant is popular with all sorts of people from locally rich Khmers to tour groups and the service is generally very attentive due to the large number of staff.
I would always recommend someone to at least try the food here as, even if you might not like what is on offer, you can be sure that it is cooked well.
Hawk
I tend to favor "Happy Herb Pizza" myself. :)
[QUOTE=Dinghy]I tend to favor "Happy Herb Pizza" myself. :)[/QUOTE]A Thai newspaper reported that the Cambodian government had stopped this place selling happy herb pizza, has anyone checked this out.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]I tend to favor "Happy Herb Pizza" myself. :)[/QUOTE]
Yes Dinghy I agree,but I must say one should be very careful with this delight.
It is available in level by level, and I choose the top tier. Needless to say after several pieces and a beer I was hammered for 24hrs straight.Seriously, and I have a HIGH tollerance. I fucked the Jewel in every position and orfice for about 3 hours w/o cumming, but the surreality of the experience was unlike any other. Just know you will not cum nor will you just pop up like a Jack in the box. With some coaxing,relaxing, and most of all a willing girl that will not go dry in such a marathon you will arrive in nirvana and forever be the jack in the BOX.
Be sure the girl must be able to finish or else your fucked and sleeping with issues.
I find Khmer food ordinary compared to thai,khmers have lok lak,sour soups and amok.
They don't like coriander or fish sauce and they are not foodies like thais,which is a good thing i think.Thais would rather die of starvation than eat non thai food.
I would suggest avoiding ponlok at all times,they have a reputation for padding the bill and indeeed they ripped us roayally when a group of us went there recently.
For much the same price one can eat at the beautiful bopha/titanic,the only place actually on the river, opposite street 108.
For good western food in a lovely bar try the new cadillac bar on the riverside.Soon to open is bill and bobs guesthouse and bar with genuine southern food and a spa on the roof.
Just opened is the new boutique hotel the quay with stunning,expensive rooms and a small pool and bar on the roof-and no other drinkers!
OK value in the happy hour.
We are off to snowies tomorrow night,still PPs best bar mainly because no one can find it!
Hi folks,
Back in PP in few days, I would like to check out either Mikado and Cyrcee and Sophie of course.
Any uptodate on these places?
Are they still closed?
And ST is always available on the premises or you have to take girls out?
Thanks for your kind cooperation.
Mikado-gone
Sophie-gone
LCC-only takeouts,st hotel around the corner-total damage $24
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Mikado-gone
Sophie-gone
LCC-only takeouts,st hotel around the corner-total damage $24[/QUOTE]There are lots of bars opening all the time in PP, check a couple out.
Has anyone spotted any of the Mikado or Sophie girls floating around Walkabout or Martini's?
They must be somewhere.
[QUOTE=Jmacaula]Has anyone spotted any of the Mikado or Sophie girls floating around Walkabout or Martini's?
They must be somewhere.[/QUOTE]Most of them just crossed the street to LCC.
[QUOTE=Jmacaula]Has anyone spotted any of the Mikado or Sophie girls floating around Walkabout or Martini's?[/quote]I saw one indian girl from mikado at walkabout but by now she sould have found a job in one of the girliebars.
Is it true that foreigners cannot a new bring Khmer bride back to their home country? Or is my girlfriend's mama just jerking me around trying to break us up? Never heard of that one before. She says the only way a foreigner can marry a Khmer is if they both live in Cambodia forever and buy property there. But she says we can still travel abroad but have to come back to Cambodia. I've googled around everywhere but can't find a thing on this...
WTF???
[QUOTE=Qiao Han]Is it true that foreigners cannot a new bring Khmer bride back to their home country? Or is my girlfriend's mama just jerking me around trying to break us up? Never heard of that one before. She says the only way a foreigner can marry a Khmer is if they both live in Cambodia forever and buy property there. But she says we can still travel abroad but have to come back to Cambodia. I've googled around everywhere but can't find a thing on this...
WTF???[/QUOTE]
Hi QH,
I do not believe that there any such rules but there do appear to be some new laws to prevent trafficing for prostitution. Try looking at
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?t=9757[/url] which covers both points.
Hawk
There goes them damn NGOs again! Read below.
Cambodian-Foreign Marriages to be Allowed Again Soon
By The Mekong Times
The temporary ban on marriages between foreign men and Cambodian women on March 29 should hopefully be resolved soon, officials said yesterday. Drafts of two sub-decrees stipulating the rules for weddings between foreign men and Cambodian women will be reviewed for a final decision in the near future, said You Ay, secretary of state for the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.
A meeting yesterday at the Ministry of Women’s Affairs saw the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International cooperation and the Interior Ministry discuss the new legislation with international organizations and development partners.
“We want to collect all views to consider and listen to the concerns of the relevant people and record their recommendations” You Ay said. She did not specify when the sub-decree would be released.
The new sub-decree on Cambodian-foreign marriages came after widespread criticism of wedding agencies accused of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. Korea and Taiwan were alleged to be the biggest culprits.
A recent International Organization for Migration (IOM) report slammed increasing Cambodian “bride exports” to South Korea. In 2007, the number of marriage licenses issued by the Korean embassy in Cambodia rose to 1,759, up from a mere 72 in 2004.
Cambodian government officials have claimed that seven Cambodian women fled Korea after suffering abuse, an allegation rejected by the Korean embassy. Korean embassy officials complained the IOM report misreported facts.
“All weddings [are from] free will which depends on the legal procedures of the two countries,” said Shin Hyun, a South Korean diplomat, in a recent statement. He denied any Cambodian women had been trafficked to Korea using false weddings.
Kek Galabru, director of human rights group Licadho, and Ros Sopheap, executive director of the Gender and Development Organization, both said that banning Cambodian women from marrying foreigners violates international law and women rights. Both stressed that the education of Cambodian women intending to marry foreign nationals was the best way to proceed.
“Some of [the] 5,000 Cambodian women married to Taiwan and Korean men are being mistreated,” Kek Galabru claimed. “It is good that the government cancelled the licenses of marriage companies. This measure can prevent the trafficking of Cambodian women, but it contrasts with the international law or Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women [CEDAW] that Cambodia ratified in 1992.”
April 30, 2008
Thanks Taloha,
it looks as if I can start planning my nuptial activities again. Now where did the last candidate disappear to?
Hawk
Tried to get Mr Sam to p/u at airport he says ok, he no show, no biggie, plenty taxis. Billabong hotel. All good. Get in early, 24 hr trek ready for massage. Ask desk guy if cute 18 yo can come to room for massage, he said he'll try. 15 or so later he says can get but more like 30yo. Kudos to him for not wasting her or my time, I say no thanks, he says ask tuk tuk man out front. I do he says 20 minutes. 1/2 hr later I get call walk out front there he is w/pimp on motorbike & scarey as hell looking girl on back, face painted w/white war paint, I say no thanks. Time for a walk, central mkt hot, riverside sweaty, stroll thru town stinky, Walkabout- thought I'd gone thru a wormhole into BG soi 7 as familiar patrons were there. 1 very beautiful girl there that I would do, playing pool. Another punter makes his move, he is smooth, he is turned away. My smiles towards her get me no love. A few others there but pale by comparison. Call Mr Sam again see if he'd like to cruise & we do. Street 110 bars we go to 3 before I find my girl, back to room. Nice time there, have pics but posting doesn't come easy for me. Next day take her shopping at air con 6 story mall on 63rd s of central market. Many beautiful girls there & I go there a few more times that week to cool off & see if any other girls might like to go shopping w/me no joy but I'm not terrribly forward either. Get motorbike next night to take me to find GF. Convenient locale on 63rd, #99 I think, on w side, nondescript but marker board w/many #'s near door. Go in maybe 25 viet ladies some cannot come to room w/me some can. 30 st, 70 all nt, I'm not in the mood to haggle. Take away. Not the best but much better than nothing 22yo, nice rack cute patch needed dentist, friendly, decent english, I've done worse. Next late morning I go back now maybe 5 or 6, not for take out so wtf I try st there. Girls body smokes 5', 40kg, 32 or 34 C's, 19yo, works for me. Room on 3rd floor was not good. Unsanitary, hot, only fan. She wants me to lay down for massage, ok. I lay on back instruct her to work on front as I want to watch her now nude bod. She wouldn't have it. Her way 10 min of unpleasant back chops was more than I needed. I roll over ready for yumyum, no no, she will not. So I break a sweat pounding peach fuzz. Hate to complain but that could/should have been remarkable but wasn't. So I like to walk I did so every day, numerous bars. 1st nights girl did not want to repeat claimed to be sore down there, me too big, she hurt, maybe so but I didn't return to Happy Man after that. The viet shop just s of Billabong st on 63rd was just too convenient & had ladies more appealing than most at the 2 dozen or so bars I checked out. Good visit overall, now back to BKK.
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Ultra pilot,
Try The Manga bar street 110 PP thats always got woman.
Mr Sam only deals in tourist attractions.
I am amazed that taxi drivers don't seem to know good bars.
I don't know who for sure driver may have been subcontractor @ Mr Sam, voice seemed different on different occasions on phone and there was misunderstanding @ my p/u even tho I called from BKK w/flt info. So we did OK, thought I saw Manga was closed. Maybe we were on 108 at one point, several in the Happy Man area. Walked around several bar areas many just walk in walk out. It was interesting, would be fun to make rounds w/someone who knew the ropes, whips & chains. Motorcycle tour looked like fun.
Had a good look around last night starting with a birthday party at the cadillac. Moved up to 104 and did the rose which was very busy but the girls not too flash, nightowl was a revelation.
Propositioned the lovely young thing with sparkles around her eyes and a protective older friend. She cannot go, she is a virgin!
There are several there apparently, this girls mum is the cleaner!
I offered six hundred bucks but even this amount was not enough-crikey, she wants a husband.
Moved on to the zanzi where a quite attractive girl agreed to go, dranka couple of lasy drinks and then demanded fifty bucks, and this is at one in the morning! False pretences I would say.
After having a complete dud from the zapata the other night maybe I was lucky to have saved my money.
Other bars of note were the shay and bunny bars.
Called into skankabout on the way home-dreadful.
I have a rendevous this afternoon with a young lady from the LCC, she worked at sophie for two years so she should have earned a gold watch at least-or maybe a gold something else.
[QUOTE=Ultra Pilot]I don't know who for sure driver may have been subcontractor @ Mr Sam, voice seemed different on different occasions on phone and there was misunderstanding @ my p/u even tho I called from BKK w/flt info. So we did OK, thought I saw Manga was closed. Maybe we were on 108 at one point, several in the Happy Man area. Walked around several bar areas many just walk in walk out. It was interesting, would be fun to make rounds w/someone who knew the ropes, whips & chains. Motorcycle tour looked like fun.[/QUOTE]Someone else said that the manga bar was closed, I will be going to Cams in a couple of months I'll have to check it out.
I have booked a 10-night stay in Phnom Penh in the summer. I normally stay by the river front but Im very concerned that the river front (my favourite bit of PP) is under repair and so would not be a good place to stay.
I had considered the New York Hotel but reports suggest it is dirty etc.
I considered the Villa Langka or The Pavillon. (I dont mind paying $70 for a good room). Does any one know what these hotels are like (they get good reviews) and what there 'girl policy' is. (are all PP hotels happy with taking girls back). I plan to go wild and find myself a beautiful girl for each of the 10 nights.
I was sorry to read about the closure of Sophies and Mikados. I have had many wonderful encounters in these.I have aso had many excellent three girl events in the LCC. I have fond memories of encounters on he uge bed on the top floor!
I know it is cheap by Western prices but I have always looked after the girls and am sick to death of the hypocritical attitude of white women in the west. If white Western society is so good why is crime so high, families so fragmented and quality of life so poor?
I hope so of the old PP is sill there when I arrive in the summer!
[quote=cowboy brew]there is no such thing as a non girl-friendly hotel in phnom penh. from luxury cambodiana, intercon to budget no-star guesthouses, i have never heard of any cases of guests being prohibited from bringing any guests, female or male, to their room and my friends and i have been to many of them. unless there are some hotels that are operated and funded by ngos, which i didn; t know of, and can afford to operate at a loss, no hotels in phnom penh can afford to or risk gaining a reputation for being difficult as most visitors to phnom penh are mongers and lonely businessmen who almost always got lonely at night.[/quote]i've been in the bouganivillier hotel last november - big mistake. hotel is small but nice & clean, but building next to it was under heavy reconstruction when i was there.
from 8 am to 5 5p you couldn't hear yourself think.
making things worse they had a "girl only with id"policy.
i first thought that to be not really enforced and believed it to be some form of defense against guys fooling around with **** girls - boy, was i wrong. they really required id from all girls, and most girls in pnh do not have an id card.
there's another hotel - forgot the name, its at the end of sisowath quay at the corse, something with a. almost entirely booked out with ngo staff, also not g/f friendly.
Folks,
I'm going to Thailand next month (have my places there) and then on to Cambodia again early July.
I read that Manga is closed. What about Cyrcee & Martini. Still in business?
Anyone a good tip for a chicken farm daytrip out of PNH?
Thanks,
Kenny
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Folks,
I'm going to Thailand next month (have my places there) and then on to Cambodia again early July.
I read that Manga is closed. What about Cyrcee & Martini. Still in business?
Anyone a good tip for a chicken farm daytrip out of PNH?
Thanks,
Kenny[/QUOTE]Martini`s is still open, Manga is rumoured to be closed, and most mongers have reported Cyrcee to be closed, always check things out yourself to avoid disapointment
[quote=kenny rogers]i've been in the bouganivillier hotel last november - big mistake. hotel is small but nice & clean, but building next to it was under heavy reconstruction when i was there.
from 8 am to 5 5p you couldn't hear yourself think.
making things worse they had a "girl only with id"policy.
i first thought that to be not really enforced and believed it to be some form of defense against guys fooling around with **** girls - boy, was i wrong. they really required id from all girls, and most girls in pnh do not have an id card.
there's another hotel - forgot the name, its at the end of sisowath quay at the corse, something with a. almost entirely booked out with ngo staff, also not g/f friendly.[/quote]too many guys was robbed during their sleep. so if you take a river front girl where you can find her again? for sure "barang" will complaint to the manager about the lack of security in their hotel, of course they will call police and make scandal. ; which is not good for their business.
there are enough hotel and huest house who rent their room per hour for doing your business. in general you can book a room for $3 for 2/3 hours. there are numerous near sorya mall
in general never bring a street hookers in your room excepted if you want to have problem. ; don t forget that since she visited your room she knows where to find you if she want to give you trouble.
cambodia is not thailand, just be safe.
see my report on Himawari. More expensive than the ones you refer to however. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=711024#post711024[/url]
[QUOTE=Channy]In general never bring a street hookers in your room excepted if you want to have problem. ; don t forget that since she visited your room she knows where to find you if she want to give you trouble.
Cambodia is not Thailand, just be safe.[/QUOTE]I only pick freelancers mostly from walkabout and martini but never had any trouble with one of them. However some girls did remember my room number and tried to visit me without advanced warning. But in my hotel they can't get past the reception without my ok.
[QUOTE=Channy]Too many guys was robbed during their sleep. So if you take a river front girl where you can find her again? For sure "barang" will complaint to the manager about the lack of security in their hotel, of course they will call police and make scandal. ; which is not good for their business.
There are enough hotel and huest house who rent their room per hour for doing your business. In general you can book a room for $3 for 2/3 hours. There are numerous near sorya mall
In general never bring a street hookers in your room excepted if you want to have problem. ; don t forget that since she visited your room she knows where to find you if she want to give you trouble.
Cambodia is not Thailand, just be safe.[/QUOTE]Channy,
I'm aware of that. Every now & then I do take a girl to the room, and since I always take a room with safe and made a habit out of throwing everything in the safe before going to bed I guess I'm ok. My laptop has a security chain and I do not make pics of girls. I never had any issue so far, however, I also make clear to hotel receptions that I do not condone any visitors without being asked. Worked for me so far. I generally do not wear expensive watches when travelling and use a 7 year old mobile.
I always wipe the touchpad of the safe and check whether it's accessible from the back, plus I usually put my wallet in a sealed envelope. May sound paranoid, but again, never encountered problems.
I of course agree with you, Cambodia isn't Thailand. But since I do not stay in the really cheap outlets, tip hotel staff appropriately, keep away from anything which looks under 20 and refrain from taking girls where I have to do hard bargaining I can avoid a number of problems.
I do not drink from open cans and do not use drugs or meds, but I actually feel more comfortable in my own hotel room than in some cheap outlet.
BTW, most hotels in Phnom Penh do not let the girls leave without giving a call back to your room. A pretty good and basic safety precaution.
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[QUOTE=Xdentx]see my report on Himawari. More expensive than the ones you refer to however. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=711024#post711024[/url][/QUOTE]Yup, tried that but booked out according to website.
I'll try the New York Hotel this time, although I'm aware that its not the 4 or 5 star range...Stayed both in the Interconti and the Raffles in PNH and was disappointed, much more expensive than in Thailand and much worse service.
[QUOTE=Niknoy]Martini`s is still open, Manga is rumoured to be closed, and most mongers have reported Cyrcee to be closed, always check things out yourself to avoid disapointment[/QUOTE]Now Cyrcee would be a loss.
I'll check & post when I'm there.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Yup, tried that but booked out according to website.
I'll try the New York Hotel this time, although I'm aware that its not the 4 or 5 star range...Stayed both in the Interconti and the Raffles in PNH and was disappointed, much more expensive than in Thailand and much worse service.[/QUOTE]
I have stayed at New York several times and find it an ok place. Convenient with the fishbowl on the 7th floor and nice and discrete with the side enterance. Breakfast is crap but the Wifi is working ok.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]I always wipe the touchpad of the safe and check whether it's accessible from the back, plus I usually put my wallet in a sealed envelope.[/QUOTE]Kenny,
Could you explain what you meant by wiping the touchpad? Do you mean electronically clearing a master combination?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Cepu19]I have stayed at New York several times and find it an ok place. Convenient with the fishbowl on the 7th floor and nice and discrete with the side enterance. Breakfast is crap but the Wifi is working ok.[/QUOTE]Cephu,
Do you remember what the fee was for the fishbowl? And whether in-room service was available? Also, was wi-fi service in each room and not just in the lobby/public areas?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Kenny,
Could you explain what you meant by wiping the touchpad? Do you mean electronically clearing a master combination?
Thanks[/QUOTE]No, although that's possible, but I do not carry an EEProm-writer with me ;-).
You have to realize that most electronic safes have only a 4-digit code. You simply use a bit of powder and you can see which four digits the guest has used. For this reason I simply wipe over the touchpad with a moist cloth.
The 2nd weak spot is the "Administrator code" which the hotels have - you'd wonder how many guests forget their code. For this reason I put my wallet in a sealed envelope with my signature over the opening. That will prevent someone taking SOME of your money or copying your cards. Especially in Cambodia such tricks are probably not frequent, but also not unheard of.
Leave your wallet in the secured safe when you go mongering or out to twon - 50 $ in the pocket and two fifties in hidden in my belt always have gotten me through the night ;-).
Remember: What isn't there can't be stolen, and getting your credit cards stolen in Cambodia could prove a VERY Costly problem.
If you pay by credit card try NOT to lose your card out of sight. Cards are copied with a magnetic card writer for 70 $ from Radio Shack in 20 Seconds, any much harm can be done with such copy. Try to get a Credit card with Chip - that's a good safety precaution and the Chip is hard to forge. Fraudsters usually prey on easy victims, they don't like to make more efforts than they have to.
Stay safe,
Kenny
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[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Cephu,
Do you remember what the fee was for the fishbowl? And whether in-room service was available? Also, was wi-fi service in each room and not just in the lobby/public areas?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was assured the Wi-Fi would work throughout the hotel when booking the NY hotel a few weeks ago. THere is usually no fee for access to the fishbowl.
I'll report on that when I have physical evidence ;-).
[QUOTE=Dangerous UK]I have booked a 10-night stay in Phnom Penh in the summer. I normally stay by the river front but Im very concerned that the river front (my favourite bit of PP) is under repair and so would not be a good place to stay.
I had considered the New York Hotel but reports suggest it is dirty etc.
I considered the Villa Langka or The Pavillon. (I dont mind paying $70 for a good room). Does any one know what these hotels are like (they get good reviews) and what there 'girl policy' is. (are all PP hotels happy with taking girls back). I plan to go wild and find myself a beautiful girl for each of the 10 nights.
I was sorry to read about the closure of Sophies and Mikados. I have had many wonderful encounters in these.I have aso had many excellent three girl events in the LCC. I have fond memories of encounters on he uge bed on the top floor!
I know it is cheap by Western prices but I have always looked after the girls and am sick to death of the hypocritical attitude of white women in the west. If white Western society is so good why is crime so high, families so fragmented and quality of life so poor?
I hope so of the old PP is sill there when I arrive in the summer![/QUOTE]Pavilion is a no no with taxi girls and the langka would not be happy with multiple taxi girls.Boutique hotels have standards and the ones in PP are usually booked out for this reason.
Much better to stick to the old favourites.
LCC is NOT closed,girls take customers to a guesthouse on rue pasteur.
New York Hotel charged $5 for 1 hour for massage and then whatever you negotiated with the girl for extras. Usually the girl wanted $15-$30 depending on the girl.
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Cephu,
Do you remember what the fee was for the fishbowl? And whether in-room service was available? Also, was wi-fi service in each room and not just in the lobby/public areas?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]New York Hotel has no fishbowl longer, 7th floor is only breakfast now.
On 5th floor wi-fi work fine for me in room.
(I stayed there in april 2008)
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Cephu,
Do you remember what the fee was for the fishbowl? And whether in-room service was available? Also, was wi-fi service in each room and not just in the lobby/public areas?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]New York Hotel has no fishbowl longer, 7th floor is only breakfast now.
On 5th floor wi-fi work fine for me in room.
(I stayed there in april 2008)
Hello Phnom Penh mongers,
I read from Phnom Penh post that the police have started to crack down on brothels. Could I ask those that are currently mongering in Phnom Penh to give us a report on the "situation"?
I stayed there about 4 years ago and upon check out was hit for $300+ mini bar/fruit/snack charge (I was there for one month recovering from dengue fever). I balked at the charges, as I had only consumed about $20 of goods(max) during my stay there (there is a large supermarket just down the street, and I had walked there everyday, rather than pay the exhorbitant prices in the hotel room).
On my way to use the payphone (just outside the front door) to report this overcharge to the tourist police, I was body slammed to the floor by two security guards who held me until the regular police arrived. I was hauled to the nearest police station and forced to sign something written in Khmer. I then was forced to hand over $200 to the hotel manager (a compromiose I suppose, as he was unable to produce for the police ANY signed guest mini bar chits/slips.)
Then, to add insult to injury, the same two cops who wrote up the incident showed up at my new hotel (just down the street from the New York hotel) the next morning and demanded $100 each, so as not to deport me!
A couple of things could have caused all of this: 1) maybe there was a dishonest room maid who was taking things from the room and charging them to my account (but she never had me to sign the receipt, per hotel policy), or 2) greed on the part of the hotel staff/manager, as they knew that I had over $8,000 in the hotel security box.
At any rate, I wrote it off to experience. At least they didn't take my money from the security box!
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[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Yup, tried that but booked out according to website.
I'll try the New York Hotel this time, although I'm aware that its not the 4 or 5 star range...Stayed both in the Interconti and the Raffles in PNH and was disappointed, much more expensive than in Thailand and much worse service.[/QUOTE]Kenny / Mike,
The NY hotel is a nicer 3 star hotel in PP. I stayed there 2 years ago and didn't have any problems. The staff are very freindly, and free airport pick up with 3 days stay .
Kenny, you need to know this city is still under development. There are not many options for 4 star hotels. This is a very poor country that needs tourist money to rebuild. If you want 5 star resort, go to Bali or Thailand.
Fast Eddie 48
I was there recently. It's a little intimidating to walk into a room full of young pretty women who all scream out "Welcome handsome man!!!!" when you walk through the doors. Definitely some doable girls there. But as per usual, I found one of the bar staff to me the most attractive. Are they available?
This place is a little hard to find during the day. I must have walked by it a few times when I was looking for it. At night it's lit up so is really easy to find.
[QUOTE=JustGotBack]I found one of the bar staff to me the most attractive. Are they available?[/QUOTE]I've been to all the girlie-bars (102/104/108/136Str) and almost everywhere it's the girls behind the counter which are the most attractive ones. Mostly they are not available. Maybe they get paid the little extra cash so they don't need to go with customers.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Kenny / Mike,
The NY hotel is a nicer 3 star hotel in PP. I stayed there 2 years ago and didn't have any problems. The staff are very freindly, and free airport pick up with 3 days stay .
Kenny, you need to know this city is still under development. There are not many options for 4 star hotels. This is a very poor country that needs tourist money to rebuild. If you want 5 star resort, go to Bali or Thailand.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Eddie,
Thanks for the feedback. I know Asia pretty well, what I complain about is not the lack of "amenities" in the 5-star intallations (they do have everything they should have) but the compared to other Asian destinations worse service with higher prices. Usually 4 and 5 star hotels have exporbitant service. Not in PNH. I found some 3-star much better in terms of service. And LOL, I am going to Thailand to relax (well, mainly. And to PNH for mongering. So as long as the hotel is g/f friendly and halfways clean with Internet it'll do. As a worst case scenario I would always relocate to the Interconti which is not great but acceptable.
Still, compared to the Bangkok Evergreen or even the Bangkok Interconti they suck.
[QUOTE=JustGotBack]I was there recently. It's a little intimidating to walk into a room full of young pretty women who all scream out "Welcome handsome man!!!!" when you walk through the doors. Definitely some doable girls there. But as per usual, I found one of the bar staff to me the most attractive.[/QUOTE]Cyrcee:
I'm not sure what you mean by "recently". However, I've been here in PNH for about a week now. When I visited Cyrcee I didn't find the girls too attractive. Granted, everyone has different tastes. I'd rate the ladies from about 4-7 at best. I did see one semi-cute working girl who was a bit sassy (but all in good fun); but you're right about the bartending staff seeming to be a bit more attractive.
The girls promplty surrounded me as soon as I got in but I only stayed for one beer.
104:
Went there last night (a Friday night), I saw about 12 girls in the bar around 9:30. About 5 ladies were dancing on the bar and it was a very upbeat mood. I'd rate the ladies about 4-6. But very friendly.
Casa:
For those of you not aware, this is a disco night club. I walked in there around 9:00 pm and it was a ghost town. I was the only customer in the entire club. Kinda creepy. Walked in and right back out. Maybe it was my timing?
Coyote Ugly:
I killed quite a bit of time here by having a chat with the owner of the bar (about 3 hours!!). A semi-retired Vietnam War vet and a helluva nice guy who's got some stories to tell if you've got the time. However, if you're on the hunt, I'm sad to say that I couldn't recommend it for now. But who's to know because bar's change so often? The bar ladies are about 4-6 also but very friendly and this is a totally non-pushy environment. You can just sit down have a beer and relax. They serve great burgers too!
Sharky's:
There were a couple of cuties in the bar. But over 90% of the ladies were "ugh"!! I'd strongly suspect that the best looking ladies in the bar are either taken or often taken out. The ladies (among my wanderings around town) have the highest age ratio compared to the other places. In other words, some of these ladies should be sitting at home knitting sweaters. Sheesh! I'd say that the ladies playing pool were the better looking ones.
Walkabout and Martini's:
Strangely enough, I'd say that at this particular point in time, Walkabout and Martini's have the most presentable ladies you'd be willing to take out. Martini's has had the consistently better looking ladies but some of them (not all) migrate over to Walkabout or Heart of Darkness after 1 am or so. I'd say that the ladies in Martini's rate from about 5-8 depending on your preferences. The ladies in Walkabout are generally from about 3-7.5. But I'm hesitant with Walkabout ladies since they are so easily picked up because of their location and get taken out more often than say Martini ladies. Or maybe that's just a biased opinion of mine?
Heart of Darkness:
Over the past 3 nights I've been there, it's been a real dud. It was packed last night (Friday) but I didn't see any available women I'd wanted to talk with. Generally, my view is that the place is packed with women who are already either taken or just looking to hang out but not worthy of wanting to take out.
On a side note:
I tried the legendary "Happy Herb Pizza". Apparently, if you want the 'happy version' you have to specifically ask for it or it just comes out regular. I ate a medium by myself early in the evening but it totally zonked me out. I went back to my hotel and passed out for about 6 hours to wake up at 12:30 a.m.! :( Was an interesting experience, but in the future, I think I'd prefer to smoke mine thank you.
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Anybody of you guys seen her recently or know what happened to her?
Her name is Nod. She is (was?!?!) a pretty good pool player and had been around Walkabout for a couple of years but during my last stay I couldn't find her anywhere. She was heavily on ice but who of the girls isn't. Certainly I asked some other girls but as anyway if she's not around nobody seems to know anything.
One more try.
[QUOTE=Zackary Kr]
Casa:
For those of you not aware, this is a disco night club. I walked in there around 9:00 pm and it was a ghost town. I was the only customer in the entire club. Kinda creepy. Walked in and right back out. Maybe it was my timing?
[/QUOTE]
Casa is a spot that wouldnt' get going until much later than that, and these discos go in and out of fashion -- not sure how popular Casa is these days. I've seen it packed in the past, and also empty. But if it ever does fill up, it'd be 11pm and after. I only stop in PP for a few days at a time every year and a half or so, so I'm not up on current trends. My last time in PP, it was dead (Jan).
Good observation regarding Martini/HOD/Walkabout. The main lesson there is that the hottest ones will be at Martini early on, and probably get taken from there, and the leftovers will be in HOD/WA later. Generally. There's always exceptions (like the hot one who does an early ST and then goes to HOD afterwards, etc). When I was there, Martini was starting to clear out around 12.30 to 1am, and lots of familiar faces from there appeared at HOD and WA right after that. Mine included. ;-)
Are there any hotels in PP that do still have fishbowls? I was at NY Hotel in Sept. 2006 and wasn't even aware that they had massage on the 7th floor (hey, I wasn't feeling well and I wasn't in town too long, ok?). I'm heading back this Sept and would like to know if there are any in-hotel massage services that make it worthwhile to stay at a particular hotel.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Eka11]New York Hotel has no fishbowl longer, 7th floor is only breakfast now.
On 5th floor wi-fi work fine for me in room.
(I stayed there in april 2008)[/QUOTE]
remember the old line about not paying them for activity but paying them to leave? Seems that some have the attitude that $20 short time is the going rate and won't leave otherwise. Now I got a bit stupid, but not overly - figured that for 1 hour $10 was good enough. She wouldn't take it and when I finally got her out of the room and started down the byatch went back into the room (evidently forgot to latch the door lock) and went into my bag (again stupid for not locking it) and grabbed about $15 ones and maybe 10K real. I guess it cut into my food budget a bit. The "real" money was locked up. safely
anyway - Handle this "issue" the easy way - get dressed and tell her g0ing out for food - then hand her the money when both out of the room. I know better but I wanted to bust her chops (trouble is that as hot as I was would
have likely done some real damage to her). Hotel did a strip search of her but no go (no cavity search - I think she shoved up up her ****) not a lot of money, just an annoyance. fucking cambo thieving ho's
Another scam seems to be that they want to do your laundry now for however many $ they can get for that (not worth a whole lot in PP - laundry all over)
So she got her money and I almost did something I would have regretted (as in "bust her up a bit")
room rates - flamingo - $25, Chiplay - $13, Walkabout $11 to $18. Flamingo has free internet for residents.
chiplay has a lift.
walkabout stairs are a bit of a problem
[QUOTE=Dinghy] figured that for 1 hour $10 was good enough. [/QUOTE]
I don't know how regular you are in Phnom Penh these days, but rates have risen -- there aren't many girls (not that I can find at least) these days willing to go to your hotel for $10 ST. To assume that this is fair market rate, well, doesn't seem like a fair assumption. I don't know where you met this one, which might make some difference, though I don't know any places where $10 is standard now. Or any girls who'd be fine with that much.
Myself, I agree on the price beforehand -- knowing that if I don't then there's a fair chance she'll ask for something ridiculous afterwards, and if I don't pay her that much, then there's a good chance something even more ridiculous will happen (like her getting loud and screaming to make a scene, or worse, like in your case). I'm not into screaming matches in the hotel hallways or whatever.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I don't know any places where $10 is standard now.[/QUOTE]I stayed in PP again from nov. 2007 to mai 2008 and my average paying was around $10 picking mostly girls (I knew before and girls I didin't know before) from martini and walkabout. Unless they asked me I never agreed on the amount of payment in advance. If they started by asking 15, 20 or more I said 10 plus 2000R for moto plus drinks/food in my room plus if I took them late at night breakfast somewhere around my hotel. Worked out in around 90%.
However some girls rejected me completely the entire time.
You're right Wendella. $10 is not the "going rate" for ST in PP and hasn't been for a very long time. If you don't agree a price in advance you have no right to impose the price you think is fair on the girl. If you want to have a go at negotiating for $10 upfront then good luck to you but the suggestion that Dinghy comes up with sounds like trying to scam the girl and could get you into a lot of trouble.
Definitely in PP you need to negotiate the price in advance and in places like Martini $20 will be her opening shot and you can counter with $10 and agree on a price in the middle. The oldies would probably agree to $10 but I can't say for sure as I avoid them. If you want dirt cheap there are plenty of brothels all over Cambodia where you can still get it for $5 but that's definitely not the going rate for bar girls or freelancer girls in PP.
Wendella,
At Martini's, how much are the pretty girls demanding these days? I can get an ugly one for $10/ST but in my opinion, I would be over paying.
Last summer at Martini's, an 8 in my book wanted $40/LT.
Do you ever venture outside of the barang scene like Holiday disco or Club 99?
Thanks in advance...
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]At Martini's, how much are the pretty girls demanding these days? I can get an ugly one for $10/ST but in my opinion, I would be over paying.
Last summer at Martini's, an 8 in my book wanted $40/LT.
Do you ever venture outside of the barang scene like Holiday disco or Club 99?[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm only ever in PP for a few days at a time, once or twice a year, if that. So I'm not the one to quote for prices. The last girl I met there wanted ... are you sitting down?... $70. She was really hot though. (and now you're REALLY not gonna quote me for prices!) I watched her for awhile in Martini's -- one guy after another approached her, each leaving her alone after a short chit-chat. Apparently she was sticking to her price.
Anyway, that is NOT the norm, I'm pretty sure. I can't say what kind of girls would go for $10 -- maybe we're just lousy bargainers. Or maybe they're different types of girls. Hard to tell without seeing pictures of them or something.
From what other guys wrote, sounds like Martinis girls are asking $20 ST, but will go down a bit if you can bargain well. In general, that is. You won't get the one I mentioned for $10, and I'm sure there's others (most?) who won't go for that little.
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]At Martini's, how much are the pretty girls demanding these days? I can get an ugly one for $10/ST but in my opinion, I would be over paying. QUOTE]Depends, as everywhere, on many things.
If you start on weekends at Martini's at 9pm prices are at a premium. They are hopeful that time is on their side and there are plenty of other men. By 2am things look different. Beeing there on weekdays, early or late, is an advantage.
Walkabout during the day. No problem to get any (not ugly) girl for $10. Same in the very late night or early morning.
Speaking their language things look diffenrent and is helpful.
To get somebody for less than $10. No matter what time and where. You are a lucky guy!
[QUOTE=*****man]You're right Wendella. $10 is not the "going rate" for ST in PP and hasn't been for a very long time. If you don't agree a price in advance you have no right to impose the price you think is fair on the girl. If you want to have a go at negotiating for $10 upfront then good luck to you but the suggestion that Dinghy comes up with sounds like trying to scam the girl and could get you into a lot of trouble.
Definitely in PP you need to negotiate the price in advance and in places like Martini $20 will be her opening shot and you can counter with $10 and agree on a price in the middle. The oldies would probably agree to $10 but I can't say for sure as I avoid them. If you want dirt cheap there are plenty of brothels all over Cambodia where you can still get it for $5 but that's definitely not the going rate for bar girls or freelancer girls in PP.[/QUOTE]If you want a $10 bang you have to go to 102nd street and look for the older meat.
Martini and Sharky's has usually been 15 to 25 for hotel long-time. A quickie in a nearby hostel usually goes for $10 indeed - plus $5 for the hostel which doesn't make it a bargain.
It is wise to have a particular Mama-San who takes care of your needs. I have one at Martini's and she has always served me decently.
I try to stay out of trouble and would advise any fellow mongerer to do the same. Whilst you can easily get her thrown out of the Hotel you will likely head back to town and PNH is not the place where you should p*** someone off, at least not unless you can avoid it.
I usually pay $20 to $25 for a night and if the girl was good I don't mind to pay $ 5 or $ 10 as a bonus. You may accuse me of spoiling the market, but if you treat a girl with decency she will likely match you with a g/f of hers for the next night. If the girl seems to despise me after Mama-san introduced us I go for something else, there are plenty of goodlooking girls willing to do a real GFE job.
Although it may sound trivial I can just say that I always try to treat the girls with some dignity, that has always worked for me.
That said my second advice is to take stories told by the girls with the mandatory grain of salt. Whilst much may be true I've heard too much about sick next-of-kins to awake the do-gooder in me ;-). It comes down to a decent payment for a decent service, if you bargain too hard you may end up with a service which isn't worth it. Just my 2 cents ;-)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Well, I'm only ever in PP for a few days at a time, once or twice a year, if that. So I'm not the one to quote for prices. The last girl I met there wanted ... are you sitting down?... $70. She was really hot though. (and now you're REALLY not gonna quote me for prices!) I watched her for awhile in Martini's -- one guy after another approached her, each leaving her alone after a short chit-chat. Apparently she was sticking to her price.
Anyway, that is NOT the norm, I'm pretty sure. I can't say what kind of girls would go for $10 -- maybe we're just lousy bargainers. Or maybe they're different types of girls. Hard to tell without seeing pictures of them or something.
From what other guys wrote, sounds like Martinis girls are asking $20 ST, but will go down a bit if you can bargain well. In general, that is. You won't get the one I mentioned for $10, and I'm sure there's others (most?) who won't go for that little.[/QUOTE]Whilst you are absolutely right it must be stressed out that the girls have adapted to market and demand, most of them do not have a realistic view how much money farang are likely to make.
And, mind you, the average salary of a policeman or Teacher in Cambodia is $ 25. So it works for both extremes. A real hottie may easily demand $300 a night and get it, provided that she caters to the clientele willing and able to pay that much. There's still corporate credit card business in certain areas, not to mention the special needs of our Japanese fellow mongerers.
[QUOTE=Kniom][QUOTE=Cowa Banga] I can get an ugly one for $10/ST but in my opinion, I would be over paying. [/QUOTE]Depends, as everywhere, on many things.
If you start on weekends at Martini's at 9pm prices are at a premium. They are hopeful that time is on their side and there are plenty of other men. By 2am things look different. Being there on weekdays, early or late, is an advantage.
Walkabout during the day. No problem to get any (not ugly) girl for $10. Same in the very late night or early morning.[/QUOTE]
OK looks like I was wrong, ones for $10 can be found, tho I still don't think it can be assumed that $10 is the standard to-be-expected price. A guy still has to do his fair share of bargaining work to get it that cheap.
from walkabout head toward the central market on 51 to street 154 (second street to the right - is the next street beyond Heart. turn right. about 1/2 down the block on the right there are 2 viet brothels almost side by side
$5. not cute but not dogs either - careful though - ask if yum-yum first
didnt inquire about take out
remember - the $10 comment was about short time
[QUOTE=Wendella]OK looks like I was wrong, ones for $10 can be found, tho I still don't think it can be assumed that $10 is the standard to-be-expected price. A guy still has to do his fair share of bargaining work to get it that cheap.[/QUOTE]
Last December I met a good-looking 22-year-old girl in Heart. I'd had too much to drink so I asked her to come to my hotel the following evening. She wanted $20 but I told her, "$10 or no deal," and she agreed immediately.
She told me she usually sticks to Martini but had accompanied her friend who was to meet somebody there.
I'm glad I hadn't agreed to pay her more than $10. Although she had a really pretty face and nice figure, she turned out to have saggy tits and stress marks when she came out of the shower. Mind you, when I asked her in Heart if she'd had children she told me she hadn't.
The service itself, however, left nothing to be desired. There was no rush, she was very enthousiastic, and was singing in the bathroom after the deed :)
DON'T OVERPAY!
Mr. Roger,
Good advice about mainting a cool head. Phnom Penh is a tiny town and word gets around fast. If you get a bad reputation, the girls will avoid you like the plague. For example, most Khmers and Vietnamese try to avoid doing business with the Nigerians because of their business habits.
For Other People,
When I'm at Martini's, I pay the Martini rate but when I'm at Club 99 or Holiday Disco, I pay their rate.
Every time I visit Phnom Penh, I always talk to the bar manager(Martini's) who happens to be a lady and a wealth of knowledge. One day, she and I had a conversation about the average barang monger, and in her opinion, the average barang can't differentiate between a good looking asian lady and an ugly asian lady. Hence, the average barang is unwilling to pay a higher price for the cuter girl.
I've also have become 'friends' with a few motor scooter guys who work in front of Paris Hotel located on Kampuchea Krom. They pretty much agree with the Martini bar manager. By the way, these same guys wanted to introduce me to a factory lady who was a parttime working lady. In fact, they wanted to introduce me to her as she was leaving the factory. I passed but there is always next time. Why am I telling you this? Maintain your good REPUTATION. If your reputation sucks, your selection will be limited or shut off completely.
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Every time I visit Phnom Penh, I always talk to the bar manager(Martini's) who happens to be a lady and a wealth of knowledge. One day, she and I had a conversation about the average barang monger, and in her opinion, the average barang can't differentiate between a good looking asian lady and an ugly asian lady. Hence, the average barang is unwilling to pay a higher price for the cuter girl.[/QUOTE]I agree. Most barangs seem happy with women with saggy tits and stretch marks and girls who generally take no care of themselves. Personally I'd rather spend $20 on a better looking girl than $10 on an ugly girl. I was once talking to a barang about prices and he said he had a "gorgeous" girl for $10 and I asked him if she had a baby and he replied he had no idea. To me it's obvious whether a girl has had a baby or not but most barangs don't care about slim waists, small nipples and firm tits.
All over Asia you see Japanese, Korean and Chinese guys with the best girls. Some barangs complain that they're driving up prices but in reality they go for a completely different type of girl so they'll never be a shortage of ugly or very average girls for $10. The Asian guys are less worried about keeping prices down so end up with the best girls. In Manhattan Club the girls want $50 a night and the Asian guys are willing to pay it. For your money you get a girl (early 20s or younger) with a pretty face who takes care of her appearance, has no babies, has a slim waist and firm tits and gives you a good service.
If only paying $10 is really important to you then fine but don't think everyone is going to be happy with the sort of girl you can get for that price. You pays your money and you takes your choice.
at least in Cambodia the $$ is still worth a $$ - with the exchange rates going to hell in a handbasket elsewhere, it's "difficult" to pay reasonable rates for pussy.
[QUOTE=*****man]I agree. Most barangs seem happy with women with saggy tits and stretch marks and girls who generally take no care of themselves. Personally I'd rather spend $20 on a better looking girl than $10 on an ugly girl. I was once talking to a barang about prices and he said he had a "gorgeous" girl for $10 and I asked him if she had a baby and he replied he had no idea. To me it's obvious whether a girl has had a baby or not but most barangs don't care about slim waists, small nipples and firm tits.
All over Asia you see Japanese, Korean and Chinese guys with the best girls. Some barangs complain that they're driving up prices but in reality they go for a completely different type of girl so they'll never be a shortage of ugly or very average girls for $10. The Asian guys are less worried about keeping prices down so end up with the best girls. In Manhattan Club the girls want $50 a night and the Asian guys are willing to pay it. For your money you get a girl (early 20s or younger) with a pretty face who takes care of her appearance, has no babies, has a slim waist and firm tits and gives you a good service.
If only paying $10 is really important to you then fine but don't think everyone is going to be happy with the sort of girl you can get for that price. You pays your money and you takes your choice.[/QUOTE]
Some fellows seem to be endowed with the gift of X-ray vision! They seem to notice saggy tits and stretch marks when the girls is clothed and wearing a sponged-up push up bra! Quite remarkable!
[QUOTE=El Culion]Some fellows seem to be endowed with the gift of X-ray vision! They seem to notice saggy tits and stretch marks when the girls is clothed and wearing a sponged-up push up bra! Quite remarkable![/QUOTE]Nice one! You missed my point though which was that the guy I was talking to had already slept with the girl and couldn't say whether she had a baby or not. When a girl is naked it's very obvious whether she has had a baby or not. A lot of barangs though can't tell or don't care.
As for making your choice in the bar you don't need X-ray vision because most of the girls with nice bodies like to show off as much as possible (including their tummy) because they know they're worth more and want customers to see it. If in doubt just ask.
[QUOTE=*****man]As for making your choice in the bar you don't need X-ray vision because most of the girls with nice bodies like to show off as much as possible (including their tummy) because they know they're worth more and want customers to see it. If in doubt just ask.[/QUOTE]
No hard rule about that though -- I mean not all girls who haven't had a baby would wear tummy-revealing clothes. So using that as your guide, you'd automatically eliminate plenty who haven't had babies. I know I'm not gonna limit myself to the belly-showers only, so for me at least there's always gonna be some element of luck involved. And yes you can ask, but whether you get an honest answer is, again, a toss of the dice. Maybe they tell the truth, maybe not.
Gents,
Searched the forum, but no mention of the above hotel. Anyone know if it's girl friendly. Coming home at 1.00 a.m or so with 2 or potentially 3 girls in tow.
Help appreciated I'll be there on 13th, 14th June
[QUOTE=London1975]Gents,
Searched the forum, but no mention of the above hotel. Anyone know if it's girl friendly. Coming home at 1.00 a.m or so with 2 or potentially 3 girls in tow.
Help appreciated I'll be there on 13th, 14th June[/QUOTE]
From my experience, no problems.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]From my experience, no problems.[/QUOTE]Many thanks Sir - You're a good man
I've spent three weeks in PP and here is some information I hope to contribute to this great forum.
Cambodian working girls are different from their Thai counterparts:
Cambodian girls are more shy. Many will not give BJs and many are even too shy to show you their breasts. They will cover their breasts and even refuse to take off their tops. Very shy. On the other hand, I found most have not had babies unlike in Thailand. Perhaps due to their more conservative thinking?
GoGo bars are also quite different. In Thailand, pretty much all the girls can be Barfined. Not in PP. If a bar has say 30 girls, maybe 13 of them can be barfined for boom boom. Most of them are there just to make the $60 standard salary and $1 lady drinks they get which usually add up to about $80/month on the low end and anything up to $200 for the really smart socialable girls. However, you can still barfine them all for $5 each, but they will only go drink and dance with you, no boom boom.
The pressure to have to buy the girls drinks is also much less in PP compared to Thailand. They will rarely blatently ask you for one. Which is a good thing. They will hang around you, just be a charming guy and be nice to them. I really like this aspect about PP.
104st, 108st, 136st, all have lots of bars. My advice is to have a beer in each and see which one you like. They change all the time and the girls move from bar to bar to work. Drop in, and have a good time and see if any girls like you. Afterall, when it comes down to it, its like the sperm and the egg. The egg ultimately does the choosing.
Sharky's - Nice quiet bar with many pool tables. You will find more freelancers here on Friday and Saturdays because they can't go into Heart of Darkness (due to the $3 entrance charge to the girls).
Heart of Darkness and Walkabout is where I spent most of my time. There are also many good bars around it like Howies, Blackcat, Shanghai and Pitstop.
Heart of Darkness - I love this place. Great decor and music and lots of freelancers. Drinks are resonable with Anchor beer and Tiger draft at $2. Pool table in the back. You can meet all sorts of ladies here and if charming enough, some will even stay with you for free. Also you will meet some rich or professional girls here looking for a fling sometimes. My only caution is that it can be tough in here for some guys as the girls here can be quite picky looking for handsome young guys. But many girls here are top notch on looks, so give it a try, I also liked the atmosphere and have met a lot of cool guys whom I ended up going to other bars with together, always more fun than going alone. Don't go before 11pm.
Walkabout - A good quiet pool bar with cheaper drinks than heart of D. A good place to wind down, sit on the balcony upstairs, shoot some pool. Dozens of freelancers in there, some can be picky, but you never know, girls want different things at different times. Staff is laid back, no pressure.
Howies - A great safe haven. Pool table, friendly girls albeit not the best lookers. But a great place to hang out and feel comfortable. Play some connect4 or just meet other travellers.
Shanghai - Loads of girls and nice looking place. But girls can be lazy and just chat away themselves outside. Their manager whips them to work, and its funny to see!
Food is generally very good in PP. You can almost randomly drop into any restaurant on the riverfront and find good burgers and pizzas. Under $6-7 out the door each meal. Local food places are great too, couple dollars and they usually are fair with prices unlike Vietnam. Take a girl that you like and have her take you to her favorite local eatery, always fun to do and you'll probably find some good cheap food.
Alley Cat cafe - Great burgers, but a bit hidden, not easy to find.
La Croisette - come here for the free wifi. Just order a drink or some food. Very comfortable to sit inside and shields you from the people trying to sell you things outside. Staff is courteous and wifi connection is strong. Love it. Five stars.
Green Vespa - Great Irish bar, kind owner. Good food.
Ba da Bing - fair pizza with good toppings. Delicious english sausages on their 'sausage pizza'
Sorya Mall - Good supermarket downstairs. Good food court upstairs. $1.5 a meal. Try the japanese/chinese hot pot place on 6th floor. Great views and the special menu is a great deal.
Paragon Mall - Nice mall, fair japanese restaurant upstairs. Good supermarket downstairs.
ATMs generally charge $2 especially the ANZ atms. But go to Sorya for the Canadia Bank atms. No charge there. There is also a bank on 130(?) three blocks from the riverfront that doesn't charge a fee.
Many massage places around. I didn't try the uber expensive places like Golden Towers or even U and Me spa. The $6 places are fair, with tip $8 damage. But there are many 5000riel places around and I would advice not to write them off. Give them a try. With a tip, its $2 out the door and the massage can be quite decent, just try around for a good masseuse. At $2, you can't lose.
Tuktuk drivers are not pushy. Just politely shake your head when you don't need their services.
Khmer I find to be a harder language than Thai. Saying the simplest require multiple syllable words.
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[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Mr. Roger,
Good advice about mainting a cool head. Phnom Penh is a tiny town and word gets around fast. If you get a bad reputation, the girls will avoid you like the plague. For example, most Khmers and Vietnamese try to avoid doing business with the Nigerians because of their business habits.
For Other People,
When I'm at Martini's, I pay the Martini rate but when I'm at Club 99 or Holiday Disco, I pay their rate.
Every time I visit Phnom Penh, I always talk to the bar manager(Martini's) who happens to be a lady and a wealth of knowledge. One day, she and I had a conversation about the average barang monger, and in her opinion, the average barang can't differentiate between a good looking asian lady and an ugly asian lady. Hence, the average barang is unwilling to pay a higher price for the cuter girl.
I've also have become 'friends' with a few motor scooter guys who work in front of Paris Hotel located on Kampuchea Krom. They pretty much agree with the Martini bar manager. By the way, these same guys wanted to introduce me to a factory lady who was a parttime working lady. In fact, they wanted to introduce me to her as she was leaving the factory. I passed but there is always next time. Why am I telling you this? Maintain your good REPUTATION. If your reputation sucks, your selection will be limited or shut off completely.[/QUOTE]
Yup. I couldn't have put it in better words. And you are right, a REAL good Tuk-Tuk driver will save you tons of hassle, tons of money and get you laid beyond your abilities... ;-).
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird] Getting to the point, Cambodiana has its own girls (and they are perfect for you $100.00 bucks a pop) and because of its own fishbowl they do not allow girls to come in. Try the basement.[/QUOTE]I'm making my first trip to PP in a few days, just one night, and will be staying at the cambodiana (no choice). Is it really true that the hotel has a fishbowl? Is this is the "Guide to Guest Services" or something more subtle?
I'm still reading the board for other suggestions, but am all ear for any one night "can't miss" tips. I'll be there fairly early on day 1 and don't have to leave until midafternoon day 2. There seem to be some good tips on bars to hang out, ogle without too much pressure, and perhaps take out to a nearby safehouse.
BR
[QUOTE=London1975]Gents,
Searched the forum, but no mention of the above hotel. Anyone know if it's girl friendly. Coming home at 1.00 a.m or so with 2 or potentially 3 girls in tow.
Help appreciated I'll be there on 13th, 14th June[/QUOTE]
Never been in the Amanjaya, but it's usually booked solid with NGO staff. You'll see the white Landcruisers parked upfront...
[QUOTE=Berty Russ]I'm making my first trip to PP in a few days, just one night, and will be staying at the cambodiana (no choice). Is it really true that the hotel has a fishbowl? Is this is the "Guide to Guest Services" or something more subtle?
I'm still reading the board for other suggestions, but am all ear for any one night "can't miss" tips. I'll be there fairly early on day 1 and don't have to leave until midafternoon day 2. There seem to be some good tips on bars to hang out, ogle without too much pressure, and perhaps take out to a nearby safehouse.
BR[/QUOTE]
Berty,
It's a shame - just one night.... :-(. You'll regret that.
Try not to do everything, you won't succeed.
My advice is: Go to Phsar Thmei (Central Market) in the afternoon and then to Cyrcee's after 6pm or 7pm. Cyrcee's has always been my fav. Give two of the girls a try, a 3some is real good there. Depending on your mood and wants you could look around a bit in 102nd street, possibly make another pop if something catches your eye.
You may want to have dinner in one of the restaurants on Sisowath Quai and have a look through the nearby bars. Happy Man is good (for drinking, not for mongering...).
You can hit Martini's after 9 pm, that's where the action is.
With only one day I'd skip HOD and Sharky's.
Sharky's is best between 11 pm and 1 am.
Cheers and have fun,
Kenny
[QUOTE=Berty Russ]
I'm still reading the board for other suggestions, but am all ear for any one night "can't miss" tips. I'll be there fairly early on day 1 and don't have to leave until midafternoon day 2. There seem to be some good tips on bars to hang out, ogle without too much pressure, and perhaps take out to a nearby safehouse.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the Cambodiana fishbowl, but it's probably nothing compared to fishbowls in Bangkok. In terms of sheer number of girls available, Martini is the one with the most by a good margin (in a bar setting at least). It's a very big bar with an area of tables in the middle, a bar up a few steps with some stools and 3 billiards tables, and then a separate room as a disco. Dozens of girls -- when I was there in Feb, I'd guess it was about 60 there. Those bars up on street 102 an that area all just have a handful of girls in each. If you just have one night, I wouldn't bother with massage or karaokes or small bars as your go-to place. Martini would fit the one-stop bill. It's easy, its big, comfortable, and you can sit back and watch the girls all walk by and make your pick. No hidden fees or inside info you need.
[QUOTE=Wendella] ... Martini would fit the one-stop bill. It's easy, its big, comfortable, and you can sit back and watch the girls all walk by and make your pick. No hidden fees or inside info you need.[/QUOTE]
Agree with Wendella, Martini should be the best bet; plenty of choice, not very pushy, enough lighting to see your picks (except the disco area).
Walkwabout is alright as well but I personally feel the selection at Martini to be better.
Thank everybody. Wendella I recognize from the Viet board. I've been reading the forum, and have a general impression about the follow questions, but I hope I can still ask them directly without getting flamed:
1. Sounds like ST take out at Martini is $10-20 USD. Correct? Is it a bar fine situation? How much? Do they have their own ST room?
2. How about Cyrcee?
3. By moto you mean motorbikes, right? (When I was in Siem Riep recently it was all tuk-tuk.) What's the going rate, say from a hotel on the river to Martinis; having the guy wait while I'm in a bar? airport to hotel?
4. Should I just bring USD? I'm coming from Vietnam and some people tell me they take the Vietnamese dong, which I'd prefer to do because of a quasi currency crisis here (hard to buy dollars). What about just using the local currency? Will they change VN Dong to their currency?
5. I'm a western guy but speak a little vietnamese and enjoy chatting with the girls in their own language. Are viets everywhere, or do some bars specialize?
6. I'm so used to the conservative hotel policies in Vietnam that I'm having trouble believing my hotel (Cambodiana) is GF. What's the drill at the front desk, if any?
Okay, I may be exhausting my good will.
Thanks!
BR
[QUOTE=Berty Russ]Thank everybody. Wendella I recognize from the Viet board. I've been reading the forum, and have a general impression about the follow questions, but I hope I can still ask them directly without getting flamed:
1. Sounds like ST take out at Martini is $10-20 USD. Correct? Is it a bar fine situation? How much? Do they have their own ST room?
2. How about Cyrcee?
3. By moto you mean motorbikes, right? (When I was in Siem Riep recently it was all tuk-tuk.) What's the going rate, say from a hotel on the river to Martinis; having the guy wait while I'm in a bar? airport to hotel?
4. Should I just bring USD? I'm coming from Vietnam and some people tell me they take the Vietnamese dong, which I'd prefer to do because of a quasi currency crisis here (hard to buy dollars). What about just using the local currency? Will they change VN Dong to their currency?
5. I'm a western guy but speak a little vietnamese and enjoy chatting with the girls in their own language. Are viets everywhere, or do some bars specialize?
6. I'm so used to the conservative hotel policies in Vietnam that I'm having trouble believing my hotel (Cambodiana) is GF. What's the drill at the front desk, if any?
Okay, I may be exhausting my good will.
Thanks!
BR[/QUOTE]1. Yes $10 -20 in Martinis for ST. However, $10 wont get you much of a looker. Maybe I am fussy but $20 is probably more accurate for anything of quality. The nicer ones seem to get taken early and instead of settling for $10 they are willing to hang around for a mongerer with some cash. There is no bar fine at Martinis. Mama sans may ask for a tip, but I usually ignore them, unless they organise me an absolute stunner. There are ST hotels within walking distance and they cost between $5-$15 depending on your negotiating skills.
2. LCC no longer has ST service in-house. They now send you to a hotel nearby. Ive never been. I usually grab em for LT. For ST its $7 bar fine $20 to the girl or $40 for LT back at your Hotel. From my experience BBBJ is a 99% guarantee.
3. Yes moto means motorbike. $1 to most places around town. Ive been quoted $1.50 from the river to Martinis. Double or even triple that for tuk-tuk drivers. At the riverfront there are motos everywhere. They'll find you. At Martinis you dont have to get him to wait, but it might be a good idea if he gave you a fair price. Motos abound wherever mongerers are.
4. The US$ is king. Maybe some local cash may be good for tips. Just get lots of $1 bills. I am unsure if Dong can be exchanged. Maybe the ANZ bank in PP has a webpage.
5. There are definitely Viet only bars in PP. The names escape me, but maybe someone else could help out. Ask a mongerer upon arrival. There are often freelancer Viets at Sharkeys, Martinis and Heart of Darkness.
6. About the Cambodiana I do not know, but Id be shocked if they knocked you back. If they do deny you a night of pleasure with your lady, then check-out! Plenty of other hotels about. I doubt the front desk staff will have any reaction to your mongering at all. Never had a lady asked for ID.
Most hotels and bars have the free PP night guide, which is worth a look for a first timer.
Hopefully some others may be able to fill-in my information gaps.
Enjoy!
Luke
[QUOTE=Berty Russ]1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. [/QUOTE]
You don't need to worry too much about getting flamed, ding dong the wicked witch is dead, if you know what I mean.
Adding 2 cents to what Luke just said...
1. At Martini, if you negotiate as if you know what the going rate is, they'll pick up on that and not try to screw you over too badly. I prefer taking one back to my own room, which is fine anywhere in PP. Who knows what strange room you'll end up in if you go to some nearby ST hotel.
2. Don't know Cyrcee too well. Been there, not my favorite scene.
3. No good reason to have a motorbike guy wait for you at Martini -- they always have a bunch of them waiting outside there to take customers. I always bring the business card of my hotel with me so its easy to tell a new driver where to go.
4. Bring US$ if you can. It's the commonly used currency there for all amounts $1 and over. They just use Cambodian for change. There are plenty of spots where you can exchange Vietnam Dong for dollars or riel, but the problem is the rate isn't very good going from VND to USD or even to Cambodian Riel (and you don't want stacks of riel anyway, you want $). The exchange places are all around the Central Market - and they usually display their exchange rates on their glass counters, along with bills taped up inside the glass to indicate that this is a money exchange place. With so many around, you can go around and comparison shop for a slightly better exchange rate -- just write down on a slip of paper what you're after (eg VND -> USD) and they'll show you the rate on their calculator. Maybe someone who's actually there in Phnom Penh now might be good enough to find out what the current rate is and post here. My bet is it'd cost well over 18,000 dong to get a dollar. I'll bet further and say that you can get a better rate selling VND for USD at the gold shops in Ho Chi Minh City -- namely those on Cong Quynh street near the market. Use same method as above to find the best rate available.
5. Viets are very common in PP. I'd guess at least half in Martini, Sharkey, Cyrcee, etc are VN.
6. No idea.
Met a very petite Khmer in DV8 named Dahlin about 3 months ago. Shy at first but great multiple bbbj's for $20 LT. She had no phone. Went back a couple of times and couldn't find her and her friends said they didn't know where she was. Didn't say she didn't work there just didn't know where she was. I guess she could have been taken for a couple of weeks by some monger (she definitely would be worth it).
I might put PP on my SEA agenda for next month if I knew she still worked there. If anyone finds her at DV8 or where ever it's worth a few beers at Sharkey's. Let me know.
Thanks guys.
As of this past couple weeks LCC is no longer charging a barfine for STs. Apparently business was just getting too slow.
For ST its $7 bar fine
Thanks everyone. Will post a report after the trip.
BR
Sorry to ask this in the Phnom Penh forum, but the Laos forum is fairly inactive and I thought some of you guys might know: Are the "V" generics as readily available and as inexpensive in Vientiane, Laos as they are in Phnom Penh???
[QUOTE=Betong]For ST its $7 bar fine[/QUOTE]Whoops, that was supposed to be quote. No barfines now at LCC for ST, so it's just $5 for the room (hotel right around the corner) and $20 to the girl.
It has been a year since being in Vientane, but at that time it was difficult to find them. I prefer to bring a few with me.
[QUOTE=Mai Yao]Sorry to ask this in the Phnom Penh forum, but the Laos forum is fairly inactive and I thought some of you guys might know: Are the "V" generics as readily available and as inexpensive in Vientiane, Laos as they are in Phnom Penh???[/QUOTE]
I am researching for a trip to Cambodia.
It seems like the guys search for the "prized" viet girls.
Questions:
1. Usually the local talent is the cheapest. Aren't the Khymer women the best in terms of lowest price?
2. Are Khymer women of the same quality = beauty + performance (GFE)
3. Why are Viet Woman So Prized in Cambo?
I prefer the Khmer women
[QUOTE=Water Boy]1. Usually the local talent is the cheapest. Aren't the Khymer women the best in terms of lowest price?
2. Are Khymer women of the same quality = beauty + performance (GFE)
3. Why are Viet Woman So Prized in Cambo?[/QUOTE]1. Depends on your negotiation-skills.
2. In general Khmer girls are dark skinned - Viets aren't. Many guys say Viets are the better performers. I personally think they are more professional. I never had a Viet girl lying in bed next to me and nothing happened. But it happened MANY times with Khmer girls..... on the other hand I never had GFE with Viet girls - They do the job and that's it.
3. No idea. I don't give Viet girls a premium. Same Same - not different.
[QUOTE=Water Boy]It seems like the guys search for the "prized" viet girls.
Questions:
1. Usually the local talent is the cheapest. Aren't the Khymer women the best in terms of lowest price?
2. Are Khymer women of the same quality = beauty + performance (GFE)
3. Why are Viet Woman So Prized in Cambo?[/QUOTE]
There's no hidden treasures here. I don't think it's necessarily that Vietnamese girls are 'prized' so much as that they're everywhere in the westerner scene (Martini's, Sharky's, Walkabout, Le Cyrcee, etc. etc.). They tend to be more hardcore, or professional or whatever you want to call it, than the Khmers -- in general. Myself, I don't discriminate based on color of skin. I just go for the pretty one. ;-) The VN girls in Cambodia mostly flood in from the Mekong delta area, so there's no shortage of them. They're not coming from across the globe to get there, it's just a few hours by bus. Pricewise they're all about the same.
I'd say just go there and go for what looks good. If you're interested to find out how they're different, try one of each.
[QUOTE=Wendella]There's no hidden treasures here. I don't think it's necessarily that Vietnamese girls are 'prized' so much as that they're everywhere in the westerner scene (Martini's, Sharky's, Walkabout, Le Cyrcee, etc. etc.). They tend to be more hardcore, or professional or whatever you want to call it, than the Khmers -- in general. Myself, I don't discriminate based on color of skin. I just go for the pretty one. ;-) The VN girls in Cambodia mostly flood in from the Mekong delta area, so there's no shortage of them. They're not coming from across the globe to get there, it's just a few hours by bus. Pricewise they're all about the same.
I'd say just go there and go for what looks good. If you're interested to find out how they're different, try one of each.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you on this one. I just came back recently from there and was also there twice before (but over 2-3 yrs back). Viets are (mostly) strictly business and pros-most wouldn't give you the time of day or even a smile unless you paid them. Unfortunately, from my last visit, most of the local natives (cambo) are also falling into the "business mind oriented BS'"-guess they are all learning from the Viets..-Too bad as I remember the earlier days as being treated like a king for $5.
Just my thoughts.
I was here last summer but it was my first expience in Cambodia. I found the girls here much more shy. Most would not gibe bj. This year it seems that the pros have gone to school. I have had complete service without a rush and making me happy was a priority. Thursday we stopped up at dv8. They still have the pool table upstairs which is a good place to spend time with the girls in a relaxing atmosphere. You can get a good look at their shape and body language. There was a new girl there who spoke very good english, cute as a button. Beer $1.50 lady drink 3.00 bar fine $7.
Off to sharkies. I prefer to walk and thought i could find it on my own. It was an adventure asking where it was and getting various answers. We did eventually find it. Same atmosphere as last year but not as crowded. about 10 I think. Girls kind of latch on to you as theirs and are not easy to shake. I found this to be the case at Martini''s as well. I think the beers were $2. I couldn't remember the name Martini. I kept asking for Manhattan's but no one knew where it was. When I asked for dancing we ended up at Heart of Darkness. Frisked upon enterence but it was upscale and good music. Lots of choices. Spent some time talking with other barang as I continued to play eye games with a girl at the end of the bar. Later I found out that she could not speak a word of english. It did not seem to be as big a drawback as I thought. Spent an awsome night back in my hotel exploring each other. My best one yet! I gave her $20 and of corse no bar fine at H of D.
I agree with the fact that Viets are very professional, but you have to admit Khmer girls are a class apart. Let's look at legs (yes, legs): Viets are X-legged, real Khmer have perfect legs.
One thing I really hate is when Viet girls talk to each other: they have kinda mono-tonal barking dog accent. Wawawawawawawawawawa.
If you go to some 63rd street viet places, please leave your valuable at home, bring just 10 bucks with you, and put them where you can have a look at them.
Viets are renowned to be very skilled and cold-blooded thiefs.
By comparison, Khmer girls are very honest.
[QUOTE=Sharka]Have to agree with you on this one. I just came back recently from there and was also there twice before (but over 2-3 yrs back). Viets are (mostly) strictly business and pros-most wouldn't give you the time of day or even a smile unless you paid them. Unfortunately, from my last visit, most of the local natives (cambo) are also falling into the "business mind oriented BS'"-guess they are all learning from the Viets..-Too bad as I remember the earlier days as being treated like a king for $5.[/QUOTE]
Anyone up for providing a detailed (dream) night in PP with location and price info?? If it'll take 2 nights, all the better.
Will be in PP this month (2nd trip), would be great to have some updated info and a dream plan to work! Planned 7-8 day visit, so will be able to do the fly by night bit after getting settled in properly.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Anyone up for providing a detailed (dream) night in PP with location and price info??[/QUOTE]Just read this thread around post 1237.
Any recommendation on one to two day trips outside of PP (that doesn't involve a 6 hour bus ride). Looking from something different IRT P4P and scenery (in that order)?
Ok, reading previous entries (including 1237).
Sleep until noon.
Walkabout for day time action, shorttime being 10 dollars / 5.00 for a room
across the street or around the corner.
- Walkabout for Lunch.
* Not into brothels, but will see how things go during the trip.
Rest. on Riverside for dinner, local food w/ maybe a burger tossed in.
Martini's after 9 PM, for a look.
Sharky's after 11 PM, for a look.
DV8 after 1 PM, for a look.
For the night, figuring 20.00 LT back to my hotel with a 5.00 tip depending on service would get me a lady in the 7-8 looks category at 95% of establishments. Also, have lady pick the place for brunch as I'm interested in trying all the local food.
Will see how it goes and provide a field report later this month.
Hello,
I am planning to stay - Casa Hotel.
Any information about available girls at this hotel?
G'day fellas,
Was in PP in May and one Friday night in HoD there were about 15-20 black african girls standing to the left of the entrance. There were no blokes with them at all.
Can anyone tell me, would they have been hookers or tourists? Some were very attractive.
I apologise if asking the obvious but im curious as back in pp again next week.
Cheers,
Anzac
G'day fellas,
Does anyone know from experience if any of the african girls frequenting Heart of Darkness are "working" girls? Sorry if the answer is obvious, just curious....
cheers...
I recently revisited Phnom Penh after an absence of a couple of years, and the place certainly has declined. Last time I visited was soon after the loss of that Wonder of the World K11, and this time I just missed the last days of Sophies. Without these places it is almost not worth visiting the town.
However I did take several Vietnamese girls from Walkabout and one from Martinis, and all provided good service. The Kmers I took from Walkabout rather predictably provided very poor service. Avoid Kmers, gentlemen, and patronize the deserving Vietnamese.
I found it possible to bargain to ten dollars only once (Kmer), paying $15 most of the time. It seemed the Viets were at a premium, but they are worth double the Kmers in my opinion. The girl from Martini was $20 due to the demands of a mamasan, but she provided the best BJ I've had in all my years in asia, and damn near as good as any I've had from an american girl.
All girls regardless of ethnicity allowed bareback intercourse, most without any comment.
We also stopped in at Street 63 where it seemed only two houses survive, at least that we could find. One had maybe three girls. The other had a fair selection, by 2008 standards, but the man demanded $15 and refused to negotiate, so we did not sample. It seems it is definitely a seller's market in PP now - the house was packed with Kmer punters.
So, what can I say, brothers? It does depress one to return to this place if one knew it in its heyday, but nevertheless, I know of nowhere else to get Vietnamese girls for anything like a reasonable price. I probably shall return - hope Walkabout still exists and Viets are still around when I do.
[QUOTE=Opebo] I recently revisited Phnom Penh after an absence of a couple of years, and the place certainly has declined. Last time I visited was soon after the loss of that Wonder of the World K11, and this time I just missed the last days of Sophies. Without these places it is almost not worth visiting the town.
.[/QUOTE]
I just returned back from Phnom Penh this morning and agree to what Opebo said; this town ain't the same as before.
I personally prefer Viets though sometimes they can be mechanical too, but this is subjective and depend on how good your screening is.
I took 2 girls from Martini, both from Martini through a Mamasan who seems to have the best of Viet choices there; with a price of course. Ending to pay 20 USD ST which is expensive for standard here.
Will report some more later..
Pls confirm pricing, asking prices and deals:
Shanghai:
S/T 20.00 LT 60.00
Cyrcee:
S/T 20-25.00 LT 60-70.00
Walkabout:
S/T 10-15.00 LT 20.00
Sharkey's:
S/T 20.00 LT 30.00 (able to deal down 5.00 on both)
Uptown Bar:
S/T 15.00 LT 20-30.00 (able to deal down 5.00 on both)
Martini's:
S/T 20.00 LT 25-30.00 (able to deal down 5.00 on both)
Street Brothels:
10.00-15.00
Trying to work my budget and entertainment costs for my upcoming trip to PP.
Mosquito2002
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I much prefer the Khmer girls.
Anyone know if the Naga Hotel/Casino has Texas Hold'em tables?
can't say for sure but the only table games I've seen in Cambodia are ROULETTE, BACCARAT and 21 (might depend on the size of the casino, though - those were KK, Poipet and Snooky. All about the same even with their s-tr-ang- e cutting procedure - dealer, pit and then you last. Might try a casino in PP next trip)
Will hit the casino during my visit, looks like I'll only be playing blackjack.
Would of liked to of use my daylight hours playing Texas Hold'em, saving the nights for mongering!
I went to Naga Casino last trip. nice casino. i did not see any Texas hold them tables there. Mostly blackjack and baccarat tables. You can rent a hostess for the Baccarat action. they are sitting in a line near the tables.
I went at dinner time. you get a free dinner buffett which is very good. Just go and ask for a free coupon.
Nice place to take a girl. make sure she is dressed well. They do not allow local girls unless in a nice dress.
I believe they have a hotel there also. not sure of the prices. some very nice looking P4p girls come there looking for customers. i saw mostly chinese girls there. Maybe because lots of chinese gamblers come there.
Sammon,
Thanks for the info. Especially, that I can bring a local lady (escort for the night) to the casino, dressed properly of course.
How much are the ladies working the casino, assume they are cream of the crop and $$$$$??
Mosquito2002
All,
I will be in Phnom Penh in 3 weeks from now. I read the last pages, I was there before.
Honestly - what is the best place to go right now (for an inexperienced monger like me) (never been in SE Asia) . No, not Cyrcee or Walkabout or places like this - can it have a bit style, ambience?
Shanghai - ok, was there last year, but - there must be more in this city.
Giotto
PS.: Is it allowed to pay a bit more for a woman in Cambodia? Not sure, but I think I only get a pizza in New York for the price of ST in Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Sammon,
Thanks for the info. Especially, that I can bring a local lady (escort for the night) to the casino, dressed properly of course.
How much are the ladies working the casino, assume they are cream of the crop and $$$$$??
Mosquito2002[/QUOTE]Cambodian's are not allowed in casinos, it's against the law, but you can take them to gaming (slots machine) places.
[QUOTE=Tom77]Cambodian's are not allowed in casinos, it's against the law, but you can take them to gaming (slots machine) places.[/QUOTE]
So what nationality do you think are all the people with Phnom Penh license plates at a dozen or so casinos in Sihanoukville and along the Thai border? People often refer to them as Chinese, but they are certainly Cambodia citizen.
Second time typing this (internet access in Cambodia sucks)!
12 July, 0700 Air Asia flt to PP. R/T tickets for 4059. 00, they did get me for excess baggage (1800 baht). I thought it was 15kg per bag, it's 15kg total for check in baggage and I had 2 bags each weighing around 13kg.
Arrive PP Internation Airport at 0815, immigration and customs only took 15 minutes (20. 00 with passport and photo, all paperwork filled out on the flt). 9. 00 hotel driver to Walkabout.
13.00 a night room at Walkabout. Stairs are a pain and rooms have seen better days, but for 13. 00 a night. It's ok. Safety deposit box down stairs, seems fairly secure as place is open 24/7.
10 Walkabout ladies up and down stairs, all were below average. Of course this was at 1000 in the morning.
Rest clean-up and head out around 5 PM, Walkabout now has about 15 ladies available (10 were in the 4-5 scale, 3 in the 6-7 scale and only 2 8's).
Head to Shanghai, over 30 ladies working there. Of the 30, 6 were around the 8-9 scale in looks. Only had a couple of diet cokes (50 cents each), and bought a few ladies drinks (2-3. 00 depending on what they drink, customer price plus 1. 00 added in. Wine was 3. 00 so it cost 4. 00 to buy a lady a glass of wine).
Then headed over to the Pitstop Bar, only 3 ladies available. Two were in the 3-5 scale and the other was a 6. Bartender indicated the rest of the ladies were already with customers.
Finally, headed to Martinis (1. 00 moped ride, standard). It was Saturday night, place was fairly packed. Some really good lookers. Picked up a viet lady (8 on the looks scale, with a good attitude and decent English skills).
She asked for 30. 00 I countered with 25. 00 LT and she did "it's only 5. 00" and I buckled. Worth the price, good time was had Yum Yum and FS all night.
Last night hit Sharky's early, nothing significant to report. Ok, Mexican food was ok and place started to get packed around 9 PM. Left as I wanted to hit St. 102/104. Zaniza Bar, 15 ladies with 6 lookers available (only drinks, I assumed so didn't attempt to do take-out). A little expensive, 3. 00 ladies drinks.
Rose Bar, cheaper ladies drinks. But limited selection of ladies. Maybe 8 ladies working, there was 1 looker (only 10 so far). But she was with a customer. Hit Heart of Darkness, got frisked going in. Place was packed, no where to sit so I departed.
Home ward bound, back to Walkabout. After mid-night, about single / unattached ladies hanging around. Some were really ugly, but there were about 4 average (5 on the looks scale) and maybe 1 around the 7-8 range.
Was drunk, so picked an average one for 20. 00 LT. Ok, sex and yum yum at night and in the morning. Food at the Walkabout is good, but it does take a while for deliver.
Ok, taking it easy tonight and will just hit the casino and try my luck.
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when you get around to it how about telling us where the casinos are in PP? Never made it to one there - Snooky, Poipet, KK all yes but PP, no
Internet access is better at Flamingo and you might try a couple of the places on 51 right around the corner from Walkabout but, yes, in general internet sucks in PP - the WORST is a keyboard that won't work...with the letters worn off (for those of us who don't touch type)
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Second time typing this (internet access in Cambodia sucks)!
12 July, 0700 Air Asia flt to PP. R/T tickets for 4059. 00, they did get me for excess baggage (1800 baht). I thought it was 15kg per bag, it's 15kg total for check in baggage and I had 2 bags each weighing around 13kg.
Arrive PP Internation Airport at 0815, immigration and customs only took 15 minutes (20. 00 with passport and photo, all paperwork filled out on the flt). 9. 00 hotel driver to Walkabout.
13.00 a night room at Walkabout. Stairs are a pain and rooms have seen better days, but for 13. 00 a night. It's ok. Safety deposit box down stairs, seems fairly secure as place is open 24/7.
10 Walkabout ladies up and down stairs, all were below average. Of course this was at 1000 in the morning.
Rest clean-up and head out around 5 PM, Walkabout now has about 15 ladies available (10 were in the 4-5 scale, 3 in the 6-7 scale and only 2 8's).
Head to Shanghai, over 30 ladies working there. Of the 30, 6 were around the 8-9 scale in looks. Only had a couple of diet cokes (50 cents each), and bought a few ladies drinks (2-3. 00 depending on what they drink, customer price plus 1. 00 added in. Wine was 3. 00 so it cost 4. 00 to buy a lady a glass of wine).
Then headed over to the Pitstop Bar, only 3 ladies available. Two were in the 3-5 scale and the other was a 6. Bartender indicated the rest of the ladies were already with customers.
Finally, headed to Martinis (1. 00 moped ride, standard). It was Saturday night, place was fairly packed. Some really good lookers. Picked up a viet lady (8 on the looks scale, with a good attitude and decent English skills).
She asked for 30. 00 I countered with 25. 00 LT and she did "it's only 5. 00" and I buckled. Worth the price, good time was had Yum Yum and FS all night.
Last night hit Sharky's early, nothing significant to report. Ok, Mexican food was ok and place started to get packed around 9 PM. Left as I wanted to hit St. 102/104. Zaniza Bar, 15 ladies with 6 lookers available (only drinks, I assumed so didn't attempt to do take-out). A little expensive, 3. 00 ladies drinks.
Rose Bar, cheaper ladies drinks. But limited selection of ladies. Maybe 8 ladies working, there was 1 looker (only 10 so far). But she was with a customer. Hit Heart of Darkness, got frisked going in. Place was packed, no where to sit so I departed.
Home ward bound, back to Walkabout. After mid-night, about single / unattached ladies hanging around. Some were really ugly, but there were about 4 average (5 on the looks scale) and maybe 1 around the 7-8 range.
Was drunk, so picked an average one for 20. 00 LT. Ok, sex and yum yum at night and in the morning. Food at the Walkabout is good, but it does take a while for deliver.
Ok, taking it easy tonight and will just hit the casino and try my luck.
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Its only 5 $?
Why, oh, why are you (I mean all you newbies in PP) spoiling the place for the others...?
ST in PP is 5$ to 10$!
LT in PP is 15 $ to 20$.
If the girl doesnt agree send her away, or she will ask the next guy for 40 or 50 $.
Learn: In the provences some girls work a whole month in the rice-fields for 25 $!! And you agree without hesitation to its only 5?
O tempora, o mores!
[QUOTE=Giotto]All,
I will be in Phnom Penh in 3 weeks from now. I read the last pages, I was there before.
Honestly - what is the best place to go right now (for an inexperienced monger like me) (never been in SE Asia) . No, not Cyrcee or Walkabout or places like this - can it have a bit style, ambience?
Shanghai - ok, was there last year, but - there must be more in this city.
Giotto
[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
stay in BKK and go and see Misato, Dow and Rin instead.
Stay at another hotel, so Mrs. G won't know!
I was in PNH for over a week this February, and did not find a single classy place. Most are pretty sordid, the type you walk out of backwards.
Just for fun, visit Sharky's, but don't expect Soi33 style.
You can tell me all about PNH when I expect to be in BKK in Jan/Feb!
Daddy San
Martinis ST / LT rates are 10-15. 00 / 20-25. 00 on average.
Yes, overpaid by 5. 00. It was hard for me to argue over 5. 00.
Walkabout ST / LT rates are 10. 00 / 20. 00.
Casino does allow Cambodian's into the place, so long as they are dressed properly. Everyone else can dress like a bum and they'll still let you in! Sharky's picks up after 9 PM (ladies start arriving) with most of the talent in their seats by 10 PM. Haven't asked the prices yet, will let you know once/if I find one from Sharky's that catch my eye. Some 8-9's to be had there, but most were already occupied with assuming their regular. Customer.
Shanghai again last night, took a booth and spent the entire night with two ladies getting drunk. Pretty healthy bar tab (63. 00) at the end of the night, with nothing to show for it. Except a few laughs and life stories. Was totally trashed on Jack and Diet Coke, still had a good time.
Walkabout had a few lookers today, in the 7-8 range stop-by. Definitely worth a 10. 00 ST.
Best meal, so far was at Shanghai's upscale menu with prices to match. But very tasty (breaded porkchops w/ carrots, string beans and other veggies) for 7.00.
Still have another 12 days in PP, so if you'd like an update on your favorite PP haunt. Let me know and I'll stop-by and provide an update.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Yes, overpaid by 5. 00. It was hard for me to argue over 5. 00.[/QUOTE]Sorry to be the bad guy one more time, but you overpaid 10 $ or in other words without any hesitation you overpaid 50 %!!!!
Would you pay 30.000 $ for a used car, that is by any means just worth 20.000 $ at the local market price?
That's the way the ST-prices will raise to 20 or 25 $ within 2 years....! LT might be 50 or more soon.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Still have another 12 days in PP, so if you'd like an update on your favorite PP haunt. Let me know and I'll stop-by and provide an update.[/QUOTE]That is mighty generous of you Mosquito. Well I will be there in August and I wouldn't mind some info on Tuol Kork.
Another day in paradise.
St 136 / 104 / 108, possible to get a lady to leave the bar....but not as easy as in Thailand. Strange the lady from Rose Bar wouldn't do a shorttime, only wanted long time for 30.00. Did get her down from 50.00, and 30.00 was a reasonable price for this 8 in looks Viet. Service was good, like the point that she drove the action once back in the room and in the morning.
Will ask around about Toul Kork, and make a visit there later this week w/ field report to follow.
Getting to like the Walkabout, as you can wake-up at anytime and they'll be a lady either on the 1st floor or 2nd floor bar readily available.
[QUOTE=Daddy San]Giotto,
stay in BKK and go and see Misato, Dow and Rin instead.
Stay at another hotel, so Mrs. G won't know!
..[/QUOTE]Daddy San,
Thanks,
You Bestard ... you think I can stay here in another hotel and Mrs. G won't know? You will not believe how small Bangkok is ...
I thought so - I hoped something might have changed in PP. But obviously not. Sharky's is not bad, but a bit boring, and I never saw interesting ladies there...
Cambodia is somehow scary - if people talk about overpaying by 5 US $ - then I am not sure that this is a place I want to go. My god ... LT prices might be US $ 50 soon - that's inflation! I tell you, that must have something to do with the Oil price :) ...
Giotto
PS: Now I again think about the pizza in New York...
Stayed fixed at the Walkabout last night, it's open 24/7 and there are always ladies walking in-out looking for customers.
10.00 S/T with a 6 scale looker, didn't use the shorttime room as I'm staying there. S/T rooms are 3.00 an hour.
I'm ready to get flamed for paying to much again! Around 3:30 AM a hottie walked in with her friend, easily a 9-9 1/2 looker. Must of came directly from Martinis after it closed for the night, she knew some of the day/nighttime regulars (assuming she's only stops by if not picked up at Martini's, I imagine that doesn't happen very often). Don't remember her being in Martini's 5 days ago, I may have to visit Martini's tonight. She was asking 20 S/T and 40.00 L/T (until 3 PM), worked it for 30.00 LT w/ a tip if service was good.
Ended up tipping her the other 10.00, BJ was great (lasted forever, as I was have shitfaced) with sex in different positions being ok as I was doing most of the work.
Heading to Toul Konk and Toul Lorn (sic) tonight, got the gouge.
Toul Konk being the cheap brothels, 5 dollar a pop.
Toul Lorn (sic) being the 30.00 a pop / 60 minute hi-class brothel. Indicated that these are the new girls on the scene from Viet / Laos / Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Another day in paradise.
St 136 / 104 / 108, possible to get a lady to leave the bar....but not as easy as in Thailand. Strange the lady from Rose Bar wouldn't do a shorttime, only wanted long time for 30.00. Did get her down from 50.00, and 30.00 was a reasonable price for this 8 in looks Viet. Service was good, like the point that she drove the action once back in the room and in the morning.
Will ask around about Toul Kork, and make a visit there later this week w/ field report to follow.
Getting to like the Walkabout, as you can wake-up at anytime and they'll be a lady either on the 1st floor or 2nd floor bar readily available.[/QUOTE]I have heard mixed reports regarding Walkabout but it is definitely on my list. Thanks for your efforts, I know it must be grueling work. Looking forward to your next report. I hope Tuol Kork works out well for you.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Daddy San,
Thanks,
You Bestard ... you think I can stay here in another hotel and Mrs. G won't know? You will not believe how small Bangkok is ...
I thought so - I hoped something might have changed in PP. But obviously not. Sharky's is not bad, but a bit boring, and I never saw interesting ladies there...
Cambodia is somehow scary - if people talk about overpaying by 5 US $ - then I am not sure that this is a place I want to go. My god ... LT prices might be US $ 50 soon - that's inflation! I tell you, that must have something to do with the Oil price :) ...
Giotto
PS: Now I again think about the pizza in New York...[/QUOTE]Giotto,
A good brick oven pizza in NYC cost 40 USD each but you can get a happy herb pizza and a girl for a night at PP at the same cost not a difficult choice.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]
10.00 S/T with a 6 scale looker, didn't use the shorttime room as I'm staying there. S/T rooms are 3.00 an hour.
I'm ready to get flamed for paying to much again! [/QUOTE]No flaming. It's okay.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002] She was asking 20 S/T and 40.00 L/T (until 3 PM), worked it for 30.00 LT w/ a tip if service was good.
Ended up tipping her the other 10.00, BJ was great (lasted forever, as I was have shitfaced) with sex in different positions being ok as I was doing most of the work.
[/QUOTE]Lots of flaming. Sorry, but first-time-guys like you are destroying the market for the cambodian-regulars.
Anway, have fun, but please, try to keep your walet a little bit more closed. For 40 $ you can get two Vietnam-cuties LT including a (very) small lesbian game.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Daddy San,
Thanks,
You Bestard ... you think I can stay here in another hotel and Mrs. G won't know? You will not believe how small Bangkok is ...
[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
you poor man, having to sneak over to PNH to enjoy some variety!
But then, if Mrs. G keeps you on such a short leash, how did you manage to compile that wealth of knowlege in your authoritative Guide on BKK Oilies?
I assumed it was based on your personal experience!
Don't tell me (us) it is all hearsay!
(Karl May laesst gruessen!)
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]She was asking 20 S/T and 40.00 L/T (until 3 PM), worked it for 30.00 LT w/ a tip if service was good. Ended up tipping her the other 10.00[/QUOTE]Oh my god - if you guys keep spoiling the price like that there will be inflation like in Zimbabwe. Instead of tipping her $10 spent her lunch for 2$. Better for you and better for her.
[QUOTE=TripleX]I have heard mixed reports regarding Walkabout [/QUOTE]Can't agree with guys who reguard WA as a bad place for picking up cuties. Try Tuesday from 9pm onwards (Pool-Competition) and Friday from 10pm onwards (Joker-Draw). Usually it's packed by then even during low season.
[QUOTE=Tom77]Cambodian's are not allowed in casinos, it's against the law, but you can take them to gaming (slots machine) places.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the being a bit late on this thread.
I've been to Naga Casino twice. Once last summer and once last winter. Both times I brought a local lady with who was dressed like the average khmer on the street.
Both times I was there, a large percentage of the guests looked to be Chinese and tended to look VERY serious as they were playing baccarat. Overall a very quiet and subdued environment as compared to Las Vegas Casinos.
I didn't look at every single table, but I checked most of them out, it appeared to be primarily baccarat, a little PaiGow and just a couple of blackjack tables.
As stated by others, they do have a section of slot machines.
[QUOTE=Kniom]Oh my god - if you guys keep spoiling the price like that there will be inflation like in Zimbabwe. Instead of tipping her $10 spent her lunch for 2$. Better for you and better for her.[/QUOTE]Seems like Kniom knows, what he is talking about.
As previously posted, getting to like the Walkabout (24/7 ladies available w/ a fair share of lookers walking around). Walkabout lady last night (23 year old Cambo, great massage skills, no BJ with avg sex in all (at least the ones I like) positions)) for 15. 00 S/T. No tip, as no BJ.
Hit a few 136 bars:
136 Bar, about 20 ladies of average looks. Most were in the 5-7 category. 2. 50 for a Jack and Coke, with ladies drinks being customer prices + 1. 00 added on. Only stayed for one drink and bought one ladies drink, gave me time to look around.
69 Bar, about 30 ladies in this small bar. I was the only customer, same format/pricing as 136 Bar. 3-4 ladies of 7-8 in looks. Some pretty faces and large tits (by Thai standards).
Beaver Bar, about 15 ladies with a few additional popping in and out. Maybe 2 lookers, but staff friendly and I spent a few hours in there watching the British Open on TV. Same pricing format for drinks, so it got a little expensive.
Tried Sharky's again at 1030PM, 20-30 ladies with about half occupied with customers. The other 10-15 were 3-5 in looks, had a Jack and Coke and a order of nachos. Nachos was the highlight of Sharky's.
Will try to control my spending, don't want to drive up the market.
Still haven't hit Toul Kong or the highend brothel yet, driver was busy yesterday. Doing the Walkabout Joker Drawing tonight and have a date with 2 Shanghai ladies tomorrow afternoon to catch a Cambodia boxing match, with Shanghai's BBQ (7. 50 all you can eat and free beer, from around 1900-can't remember the ending time). Both are Cambodian ladies, one's a cutie about 19 years old and still going to school during the day and the other is around 25. They are very entertaining.
Of note, Cambo / Viets in the profession here in PP do tend to get a beer gut. Have seen a large number of facial beauties, but a gut is major turn off for Mr. Mosquito. Way more poundage then with Thai ladies, even the breast sizes doesn't make up for it.
Finally had to hit an ATM, Famingo Hotel has a ATM in the lobby. Charge was 2. 00 per transaction and screen indicated you can widthdraw up to 20, 000 dollars (yes, dollars) at one time. WTF would require 20, 000. 00 dollars here in PP.
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[QUOTE=TripleX]. Well I will be there in August and I wouldn't mind some info on Tuol Kork.[/QUOTE]I was there about 6 months back and the area was full of police due to a crackdown on Viets providers. I think some of the places I had tried in the past maybe closed by now. Hard to say as too many cops in area discouraged me from going back to check. maybe next time I return i'll give it another shot.
Please as another PP resident. I beg you not to overpay. $10 at the WA is all the girls are expecting.
I take a girl from there most afternoons and that is all that is expected.
As for the ATM at flamingoes. I think you may have mis read the screen or were looking at the Cambodian Riel amount. You are able to withdraw $1000 per day.
Not much happening around TK at the moment most of the houses have been closed down, now there are mostly street walkers there. A lot more difficult to do bussiness this way.
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]No tip, as no BJ.
Will try to control my spending, don't want to drive up the market.[/QUOTE]You've got the message - well done!
Sharky's BBQ starts around 5pm but food ist usually gone by 6pm but beer flows until 9pm sharp!
Beer-belly -> they call it "Baby-Anchor" Guess why?
Just been to Martini a couple of weeks ago, my impression is that faces have changed there except for the Viet mamasan.
Most Viet girls sitting along the pond while Khmer girls mostly in the disco area. My taste for the night feel like having a Viet so I stayed around the pond for close monitoring.
Was approached by some including one of my interest, however once speaking to her the impression was not that nice. My instinct told me that it would not be a right pick so I skipped her; also she didn't want to go for LT but only do ST while I asked for LT.
No one else catched my eyes until one of the mamasan invited me to sit at her table and brought several 7-9 scoring cuties and recommended Rinna to me.
She is very much up to my taste and said to just started working less than a week; this implies that she's inexperienced so service should not be expected much. But that does not matter as my mind is already made up.
Just before leaving for hotel, mamasan whispered : be gentle to her; she's small, do it slowly OK? I acknowledged and head back to my place.
As expected, Rinna did not know how to service a customer so I was the one who run the show; doing everything until she start to get wet before I start pounding in to her. Starting slowly as mamasan asked as she was really tight even with the fluid. Feel like having sex with a virgin girl... but enjoyable though. Her non performance was compensated by her looks which served well as food to my eyes...
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]As previously posted, getting to like the Walkabout (24/7 ladies available w/ a fair share of lookers walking around). Walkabout lady last night (23 year old Cambo, great massage skills, no BJ with avg sex in all (at least the ones I like) positions)) for 15. 00 S/T. No tip, as no BJ.
Hit a few 136 bars:
136 Bar, about 20 ladies of average looks. Most were in the 5-7 category. 2. 50 for a Jack and Coke, with ladies drinks being customer prices + 1. 00 added on. Only stayed for one drink and bought one ladies drink, gave me time to look around.
69 Bar, about 30 ladies in this small bar. I was the only customer, same format/pricing as 136 Bar. 3-4 ladies of 7-8 in looks. Some pretty faces and large tits (by Thai standards).
Beaver Bar, about 15 ladies with a few additional popping in and out. Maybe 2 lookers, but staff friendly and I spent a few hours in there watching the British Open on TV. Same pricing format for drinks, so it got a little expensive.
Tried Sharky's again at 1030PM, 20-30 ladies with about half occupied with customers. The other 10-15 were 3-5 in looks, had a Jack and Coke and a order of nachos. Nachos was the highlight of Sharky's.
Will try to control my spending, don't want to drive up the market.
Still haven't hit Toul Kong or the highend brothel yet, driver was busy yesterday. Doing the Walkabout Joker Drawing tonight and have a date with 2 Shanghai ladies tomorrow afternoon to catch a Cambodia boxing match, with Shanghai's BBQ (7. 50 all you can eat and free beer, from around 1900-can't remember the ending time). Both are Cambodian ladies, one's a cutie about 19 years old and still going to school during the day and the other is around 25. They are very entertaining.
Of note, Cambo / Viets in the profession here in PP do tend to get a beer gut. Have seen a large number of facial beauties, but a gut is major turn off for Mr. Mosquito. Way more poundage then with Thai ladies, even the breast sizes doesn't make up for it.
Finally had to hit an ATM, Famingo Hotel has a ATM in the lobby. Charge was 2. 00 per transaction and screen indicated you can widthdraw up to 20, 000 dollars (yes, dollars) at one time. WTF would require 20, 000. 00 dollars here in PP.
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When you guys say 136 or 69 Bar, is that the actual name of the bar, or just the street?
When I'm on my rest nights (I'm on a 1 month trip), what Discos or other places are best to go to, to see if I could get lucky with a freebie?
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Stayed fixed at the Walkabout last night, it's open 24/7 and there are always ladies walking in-out looking for customers.
10.00 S/T with a 6 scale looker, didn't use the shorttime room as I'm staying there. S/T rooms are 3.00 an hour.
I'm ready to get flamed for paying to much again! Around 3:30 AM a hottie walked in with her friend, easily a 9-9 1/2 looker. Must of came directly from Martinis after it closed for the night, she knew some of the day/nighttime regulars (assuming she's only stops by if not picked up at Martini's, I imagine that doesn't happen very often). Don't remember her being in Martini's 5 days ago, I may have to visit Martini's tonight. She was asking 20 S/T and 40.00 L/T (until 3 PM), worked it for 30.00 LT w/ a tip if service was good.
Ended up tipping her the other 10.00, BJ was great (lasted forever, as I was have shitfaced) with sex in different positions being ok as I was doing most of the work.
Heading to Toul Konk and Toul Lorn (sic) tonight, got the gouge.
Toul Konk being the cheap brothels, 5 dollar a pop.
Toul Lorn (sic) being the 30.00 a pop / 60 minute hi-class brothel. Indicated that these are the new girls on the scene from Viet / Laos / Cambodia.[/QUOTE]I'm quite familiar with toul kok, but never heared about TOUL LORN, where is located please?
[QUOTE=Saint Jack]Feel like having sex with a virgin girl... but enjoyable though. Her non performance was compensated by her looks which served well as food to my eyes...[/QUOTE]Really a nice rack, looks young & innocent.
Mind telling us how much had you paid for her?
Regards,
KT Lover.
[url]http://www.yellowpages-cambodia.com/maps/phnompenh/[/url]
Just enter the "name" plus select PP from the "city list". You will find some that have similar names as well. The MAP helps quite a bit even if the exact STREET ADDRESS (how far down the street from what intersection) locations aren't much good unless you are familiar with the city in general
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Please as another PP resident.
Not much happening around TK at the moment most of the houses have been closed down, now there are mostly street walkers there. A lot more difficult to do bussiness this way.[/QUOTE]Thanks Shadow for the info. Just saved me a trip there to verify what's happening. Quess nothing's changed since my last visit there 6months ago after the police crackdown.
Yeah I was hoping to get a driver and negotiate with the street walkers for LT. Figured I might get some more variety there. I have never been, but if it seems fairly dead there now or not friendly to foreigners maybe I will skip.
[QUOTE=Canta Loupe]30 $ LT?
Its only 5 $?
Why, oh, why are you (I mean all you newbies in PP) spoiling the place for the others...?
ST in PP is 5$ to 10$!
LT in PP is 15 $ to 20$.
If the girl doesnt agree send her away, or she will ask the next guy for 40 or 50 $.
Learn: In the provences some girls work a whole month in the rice-fields for 25 $!! And you agree without hesitation to its only 5?
O tempora, o mores![/QUOTE]Why buy Mercedes when you can get Cherry QQ?
Why pay Mercedes price when you can get a taxi?
Same reason man. One man's meat is another's poison.
fix the price first. KNOW WHAT MARKET PRICE IS (or should be) Fuck -or- walk, girl - your choice
Remember this - A higher PRICE doesn't necessarily mean a superior SERVICE EXPERIENCE.
it might work in CARS or FOOD, but NOT WITH PUSSY!!
and with pussy (as with boats and airplanes) -
IT'S CHEAPER TO RENT THAN BUY (I only want a little piece of you baby, not to own your whole BODY)
I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels. And those go for $10, not $5. Maybe a few years ago you could get those prices, but not anymore. I was in PP a few months ago and I took a girl back from Rose for $15. The only reason she came back with me was that she thought that I had said $50. I said too bad, gave her $15 and sent her on her way.
I've found that most of the girls in these chat bars want you to buy them drinks for 1 or 2 nights, and then MAYBE they'll go with you if they're not doing anything else that night. But they will quote you a minimum of $30, and most want $40 or even $50. The mamasan at Martinis even tried to get me to shell out $30 for ST with a Viet hottie. I just laughed and told her $10, no more. She wasn't interested. The slags at Sharkey's are the same - they want $30 minimum. Even the girls at Le Cyrcee are asking for $20 ST and $40 LT (these can usually be negotiated though).
So where, oh where are you finding girls for $5????
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels.
So where, oh where are you finding girls for $5????[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with you!
Go to Walkabout AND Martini and you will definetly find girls willing to go with you for $10 ST. No problem at all!
Of course they will try to get more when you ask for the price but I personally never paid more then $15.
As mentioned before if you don't speak Khmer they might think you are a first time visitor but it's not that hard to learn "dop dollaaaar (=ten dollars)"
$5 is rare but possible during off peak hours.
Was in PP for 12 days since yesterday. And it is definitely a buyers market. Wwith a lot more girls than punters. Didn't You see the Martini disco with a 30 girls dancing inside around 10 0'clock night an five man sitting inside every evening. Not counting the girls sitting in the beergarden.
Wakabout with very low business and half of the men being expats, just coming there for a beer or for their breakfast? More men at Sharky, but still the number of girls is 3 to 1 compared to the customers.
So why pay 2 or three times more money than necessary?
No problem to get a full service 10 $ ST or 20 $ LT. Be generous an give a 2 $ or 5 $ tip if the service was very good. But if you pay a 30 or 40 $ the girl will talk to her friend s about this and so the next will ask for the same price or even more. Don'T Forget: PP is a buyers market and you have to keep the prices low, by your acting in this market!
Many girls are happy to have a customer. So why ruin the market?
And one more: I am a Euro-currency-man, so 5 or 10 $ don't really mean much to me. But it is a question of economical reason.
It is harder to get a $5 ST on st 63 but it is still possible. It is pretty easy to get a $5st at most brothels in the provinces.
$10 ST at the Walkabout or Martinis is the Norm. Last week I even had the mamasan come over and offer me a girl for $10 mind you it was all done in Vietnamese maybe so no one elese could hear. But the freelancers will go for $10 they would prefer $15.
At most of the Hostess bars you will probalbly have to pay $15 for the ST. The girls figure if your dumb enough to pay a $10 barfine then I need more. There are still a few Hostess bars with $5 barfines and other that reduce to $5 as the night progress's.
Please Dont pay anymore than the above. Cambodia is not a good place to go for girls. There are no GO GO bars with naked girls dancing that all go out for extras. Many of the girls in the Hostess bars now dont go out. If you want cheap and easy you should stick to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels. Maybe a few years ago you could get those prices, but not anymore. [/QUOTE]You must be talking about another city! I've never had any problems getting girls for 10ST and 20LT in PP. Hostesses in chat-bars might want a bit more but sharkey's, walkabout's and martini's gals are happy to go for this price. My last trip was in may this year.
Thanks everyone for the input; it's good to know that the prices are still low at some places. There are a few bars (Rose, Zanzibar) where the girls ask for more. I was in Zanzibar this past April and the girls were asking for $50 LT and $30 ST - there was no negotiation (I tried). I finally walked out, disgusted at their refusals, vowing never to return. I guess I'll stick to Walkabout and Martinis next time.
I plan on coming to PP on Wednesday and would love to see my little Viet nympho Janto (or is it Junto?). She used to work at Le Cyrcee but has also been spotted at Walkabout. Anyone have any ideas where I might find her? Here's a pic of her from about a year ago:
She was hanging out both at Heart of Darkness and Sharkey's playing pool back in March...
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Thanks everyone for the input; it's good to know that the prices are still low at some places. There are a few bars (Rose, Zanzibar) where the girls ask for more. I was in Zanzibar this past April and the girls were asking for $50 LT and $30 ST - there was no negotiation (I tried). I finally walked out, disgusted at their refusals, vowing never to return. I guess I'll stick to Walkabout and Martinis next time.
I plan on coming to PP on Wednesday and would love to see my little Viet nympho Janto (or is it Junto?). She used to work at Le Cyrcee but has also been spotted at Walkabout. Anyone have any ideas where I might find her? Here's a pic of her from about a year ago:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vmann]Was in PP for 12 days since yesterday. And it is definitely a buyers market. Wwith a lot more girls than punters. Didn't You see the Martini disco with a 30 girls dancing inside around 10 0'clock night an five man sitting inside every evening. Not counting the girls sitting in the beergarden.
Wakabout with very low business and half of the men being expats, just coming there for a beer or for their breakfast? More men at Sharky, but still the number of girls is 3 to 1 compared to the customers.
So why pay 2 or three times more money than necessary?
No problem to get a full service 10 $ ST or 20 $ LT. Be generous an give a 2 $ or 5 $ tip if the service was very good. But if you pay a 30 or 40 $ the girl will talk to her friend s about this and so the next will ask for the same price or even more. Don'T Forget: PP is a buyers market and you have to keep the prices low, by your acting in this market!
Many girls are happy to have a customer. So why ruin the market?
And one more: I am a Euro-currency-man, so 5 or 10 $ don't really mean much to me. But it is a question of economical reason.[/QUOTE]
VMann,
I am a bit opposed to reduce it simply to economic terms.
Whilst we are not going to marry any of these girls and I figure that we have all heard those oh-so-sad stories of sick mommas and dead buffalos there is and should still be room for a bit of human kindness.
A girl with listless service or trying a rip-off gets 5 $ and is asked to leave, but I have real few disappointing experiences. Most of the girls I've been with were nice in a personal way, so why not pay 30$ if you think she's been worth it ?
One more thing: A lot of the girls actually have to deliver every single $ at home, so if you invite them for breakfast they may appreciate it.
I'm not going to make a rule out of it and I'm not going to tell fellow mongerers what to do, but I dislike to be squeezed to my last fallback position in business and simply assume the same of others.
As the cost of living has risen drastically in Cambodia in the last 12 months we should understand. Sure, you'll find a girl for 10 or 20, but again, idf the girl is OK with the price she's usually hooking me up with an equally nice friend of hers or coming for a 3some ;-)
folks,
been to pnh beginning of july for 10 days and had a great time.
still, things are changing...some to the bad and some for the better.
there was a lot less visible **** prostitution which i appreciate. still, begging is even worse than before.
costs of living in cambodia have risen sharply and some girls demand unreasonable prices, this owing in particular to japanese fellow mongerers with particular wishes.
i agree with most here in this forum that one should sinply look for another girl in such cases.
cyrcee's - as always nice girls & decent service
sharky - pretty much mixed but some nice girls late at night, usually demanding $ 20 to s25 lt
martini - so far the best spot. mama san is reasonable and actually meets her promises ;-). feel free to hit her with your extra wishes.
drug abuse has gotten worse, needed to send out two girls which were nice but couldn't do without their yaba. i won't tolerate substance abuse in my hotel room since that could really get one in trouble.
tuk-tuk drivers have become more greedy demanding $5 for a ride from sisowath quai to martini (unreal, of course). but the $1 fare days are over, $2 is it. i usually pay my tuk-tuk driver $10 per day, that's a fair deal for me as he gets me around all through the city without hassle, speaks good english and knows where the action is.
stayed in ny hotel this time and was pleased, room is basic but big & clean (vip $50/day) and even three girls coming & going were no problem. wireless internet worked ok. safebox & good room service.
made it to angor this time...it was worth the trip for angkor wat, but the rest of siem reap was disappointing, tourist outlet of the cheapest kind.
one more thing: been in anumber of bars i already knew and noticed with surprise that in some bars where the girls before were only to keep companionship but no take-out things have changed. happy man bar is actually a good spot to pick up some nice girls.
I've had great service from beautiful women in PP at low prices. On one of my visits in April, 2005 I had brought a girl from Martini back to my hotel. This is a new one on me. We were going at it on my bed with me on top, when she calmly reached behind her head for the remote to change the channel. Can't remember what Thai or Viet channel was on, but she switched it to MTV. WTF?
Anyway I still go to Martini. Just one of those incidents I laugh about now.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Tuk-Tuk drivers have become more greedy demanding $5 for a ride from Sisowath Quai to Martini (unreal, of course). But the $1 fare days are over, $2 is it.[/QUOTE]
I was in PP a few weeks ago with a friend and neither of us ever paid more than $1 for an individual ride from river side area to the Walkabout area, the Sharkies area, or the lakeside area. We went to Martini's once and it was much less than $5 but I can't remember how much - I think maybe $3, but $4 back with a foursome. When we went from the river side to Walkabout together we paid $1 plus 2,000 Riel, and when we went back with a foursome we bargained for $2.50 or $3 but once got stuck with $4 due to focusing on the girls. Later we tried not discussing price but just handing the driver the 'correct' (barang) amount and walking away, ignoring his protests. One time a driver tried not to take the money out of my hand to thwart this, arguing with me, but in the end he took it and I walked away.
Sorry Jelly - can't resist... "Maybe MTV was more interesting than you were?" ;) <ducking and running>
[QUOTE=Opebo]I was in PP a few weeks ago with a friend and neither of us ever paid more than $1 for an individual ride from river side area to the Walkabout area, the Sharkies area, or the lakeside area. We went to Martini's once and it was much less than $5 but I can't remember how much - I think maybe $3, but $4 back with a foursome. When we went from the river side to Walkabout together we paid $1 plus 2,000 Riel, and when we went back with a foursome we bargained for $2.50 or $3 but once got stuck with $4 due to focusing on the girls. Later we tried not discussing price but just handing the driver the 'correct' (barang) amount and walking away, ignoring his protests. One time a driver tried not to take the money out of my hand to thwart this, arguing with me, but in the end he took it and I walked away.[/QUOTE]Kenny,
You got to be kidding they want 5 usd for a moto trip, I paid 5 usd 4 yr ago for all day to a english speaking moto guy and give him 2 usd tip, he take me any where I want to go from 9am to midnight, for short trip I only give 20 bht or 1 usd but we should not compalin too much I am paying 4usd for a gal of gas here in the US PP is still a bargin but again the round trip air fare is 1000 usd.
Fast Eddie 48
Can you tell me if this hotel is GF?
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Sorry Jelly - can't resist... "Maybe MTV was more interesting than you were?" ;) <ducking and running>[/QUOTE]
Still, I think it would have been culturally polite to wait until I was done. She would have only missed one song.
[QUOTE=Jelly37]I've had great service from beautiful women in PP at low prices. On one of my visits in April, 2005 I had brought a girl from Martini back to my hotel. This is a new one on me. We were going at it on my bed with me on top, when she calmly reached behind her head for the remote to change the channel. Can't remember what Thai or Viet channel was on, but she switched it to MTV. WTF?
Anyway I still go to Martini. Just one of those incidents I laugh about now.[/QUOTE]
I didn't even get the joke until Dinghy commented . . . I assumed she wanted music for f*cking to . . .
I stayed at Riverside hotel for a week in june. Clean hotel. I booked through
Agoda. The location is very good. Walking distance top riverside shops and restaurents and bars. Definitely GF. Only thing i did not like is the window Air conditioner. It was noisy. Otherwise king bed was very good. So are the bathrooms.
Eddie, I said myself 5 USD was unreal. Guess the drives also know it & just want to have a bargain basis to get $2 or 3.
1000 $ airfare only ex West coast and possibly 2 stopover.
I am eastcoast and have to go to LAX or YVR and then via SEL, TPE, KUL or NRT.
I am trying to avoid the US airlines, crummy service...best choice after Thai cancelled the JFK flight is EVA AIR via TPe.
Damage 1700 USD in Evergreen Deluxe which is good - 12 hours Economy is more than I can stand.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Kenny,
You got to be kidding they want 5 usd for a moto trip, I paid 5 usd 4 yr ago for all day to a english speaking moto guy and give him 2 usd tip, he take me any where I want to go from 9am to midnight, for short trip I only give 20 bht or 1 usd but we should not compalin too much I am paying 4usd for a gal of gas here in the US PP is still a bargin but again the round trip air fare is 1000 usd.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Use NY Hotel but VIP room-50 USD.
Clean, working WiFi & CERTAINLY girl friendly.
A bit basic, but safe and bath ok.
Brekkie included.
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]I'll be in PP during November, can any of ya feed me some recommendations on GF-3star-AC-No Bugs-Clean-accommodations?[/QUOTE]
Folks,
I gotta be back in Phnom Penh Oct 12th to Oct 19th-yeehaw.
Private trip but have to meet someone for biz as well so I gotta book a bit more upscale.
Anyone knowing whether Phnom Penh Hotel is girl friendly ?
Other than that if any fellow mongerer wants to hit me up for a cold Angkor on Sisowath Quai that time go for it...
Kenny
[quote=sammon]i stayed at riverside hotel for a week in june. clean hotel. i booked through
agoda. the location is very good. walking distance top riverside shops and restaurents and bars. definitely gf. only thing i did not like is the window air conditioner. it was noisy. otherwise king bed was very good. so are the bathrooms.[/quote]
a question from the other end of the cheapscrape roof-over-my-head corner . . .
if i get a joint where there's only a shared bathroom, do you think khmer/viet girls might be less prissy about washing?
don't get me wrong, i like 'clean', but most girls will wash between mongers anyway. i'd rather she had an honest few hours sweat and musk - than still half wet and a p*ssy smelling of soap.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I was in PP a few weeks ago with a friend and neither of us ever paid more than $1 for an individual ride from river side area to the Walkabout area, the Sharkies area, or the lakeside area. We went to Martini's once and it was much less than $5 but I can't remember how much - I think maybe $3, but $4 back with a foursome. When we went from the river side to Walkabout together we paid $1 plus 2,000 Riel, and when we went back with a foursome we bargained for $2.50 or $3 but once got stuck with $4 due to focusing on the girls. Later we tried not discussing price but just handing the driver the 'correct' (barang) amount and walking away, ignoring his protests. One time a driver tried not to take the money out of my hand to thwart this, arguing with me, but in the end he took it and I walked away.[/QUOTE]In phnom penh and especially in sihanoukville, selected carefully your motodop, 99% of them are bastard, who understand nothing to english an just thinked about overcharged you. There is two nice young motodop with tuk tuk always stationed in front of la croisette of sisovath quay. One of them as twin brother. Good guys, deeply honest. I know them when they worked at Sunday guesthouse.
Golden rule with motodop fixed the price in advance, if the price seemed to high don t try to bargain find another one
When you re arrived Told them to leave, otherwise they will overcharged you for waiting time at ridiculous price.
For backpakers never let them bring you to boeng kok lake, hotels are 1 dollar cheaper, than over place but without convenience, and you will be far from everything. Which mean you will need to use moto dop or rent bike at expensive price. Restaurant in this area are more expensive and all quote in dollars.
I have asked this question before - without it being answered.
63rd street is a few kms long.
Are the brothels (karaokes) just past Heart of darkness travelling north, cross the junction and then found on the right hand side? Also, then turning right there are more. And turning right again lots more?
I can't believe these are the brothels i have heard mentioned here.
I have never seen a farang hanging about these.
Please advise. I dont really want to go into one of these to have to listen to high pitched love songs for an hour.
And i have spent many evenings looking around toul kork without much luck either but there is meant to be a strret full of brothels there.
Thanking you all.
heart of darkness is on street 51 (Pasteur) 63 is a little west toward Monivong (next block I think) Look for the short itme brothels in street 154 (which would be the next block toward the market from HOD) and turn right - on the right about 1/2 to 3/4 toward the next main road (don't remember the name)
Hi,
I'll be in PP next September. Can somebody of you tell me where I can find a good massage with fuck? I know that campbodia is differetn from Thailand and massage parlour especially but in the psast I could find some of those places where I could find what I was looking for. But at the moment I don't remmeber at all where. I think some hotel with "massage".
Thank you
Hi,
I'll be in PP next month can somebody of us tell me where I can find a good massage with fuck? I know that Cambodia is not Thailand and also masage parlour are different, but I already found it last times in PP but I don't remember the places. They were some hotels with "massage". I don't like the very dirty brothels where you can not find good massage.
Thank you
I stay at the Asian hotel, staff will ask if you want a massage, $5, then negotiate with the girl, they usually ask for $4.
[QUOTE=Tjhooker]I have asked this question before - without it being answered.
63rd street is a few kms long.
Are the brothels (karaokes) just past Heart of darkness travelling north, cross the junction and then found on the right hand side? Also, then turning right there are more. And turning right again lots more?
I can't believe these are the brothels i have heard mentioned here.
I have never seen a farang hanging about these.
Please advise. I dont really want to go into one of these to have to listen to high pitched love songs for an hour.
And i have spent many evenings looking around toul kork without much luck either but there is meant to be a strret full of brothels there.
Thanking you all.[/QUOTE]Ok for being clear, take monivong boulevard from the round the circle near the fernch embassy, walk about2/3 kilometers until you will see big A supermarket on your left, take the first on your left after big A, and down the street until street 63. At the crossroad many people will invited you to visited their brothel. It s more active since 5/6 pm. Almost closed before this time be very careful with your wallet
Not finding a brothels in toul kok? It s impossible, ever if they are less numerous than before toul kok is still alive. Are you sure you take the road on the left, behind the french embassy and after the gas station?
If you re a beginner avoid Toul kok, its not for you. No english, dirty house, low quality of girls and things can became without control quickly especially at night.
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]Hey Rooter
Is it GF, can I bring my own catch back and not get guest fees or the run around?
BTW what does it run a night, and what site do you make your reservations through? GOOGLE-ing now[/QUOTE]
If he was refering to Asia Hotel. Yes, it is GF and you can bring back your own fishs.
You can book direct from the hotel website.
Hi Dreams1973,
Went last week to sakura hotel massage on street 242. Still great girls. Massage Room is 6 US. Rest is negotiable. clean rooms.
Have fun,
jeanclaude
Does any one have contacts, as we are looking for a 3 bed villa to western standards in PP. It must have security & be decent.
We are looking for a quiet place where we can have our own privacy re our goings & comings without drawing attention if we bring back girls.
Can any one help please.
We are planning to arrive around the 3/4 of September 2008 to 13 September 2008.
Please advise, this will be our second trip now, the last was in August last year.
We are looking to spend about $300 to $500 for the villa.
Thanks for looking your help will be appreciated.
Anyone going around the same time, perhaps we could meet up, socialise, get to know the places to go etc, we are all from the UK.
Cheers
Sorry but I think you are going to be very dissapointed. You will not find a stand alone villa for $500 a month within 5km of the city. esp of any standard that we may consider liveable.
Good luck hunting but I think you will have to raise your budget to $700-$1000.
Shadow read the Ukguy's post again, he's willing to pay $500 for about one week to eleven days.
Ukguy,
"We are planning to arrive around the 3/4 of September 2008 to 13 September 2008.
Please advise, this will be our second trip now, the last was in August last year.
We are looking to spend about $300 to $500 for the villa."
[quote=christopherd]a question from the other end of the cheapscrape roof-over-my-head corner . . .
if i get a joint where there's only a shared bathroom, do you think khmer/viet girls might be less prissy about washing?
don't get me wrong, i like 'clean', but most girls will wash between mongers anyway. i'd rather she had an honest few hours sweat and musk - than still half wet and a p*ssy smelling of soap.[/quote]
don't get me wrong chris,
but with so many cheap options (all offering private baths with fan in the $7-10 range--a/c extra), why bother renting shared baths? these places are usually for the backpackers bringing their own friends and girlfriends as a group on vacation.
pt
Just a quick thank you to all the guys who post here. I'll be making my first trip to Phnom Penh next month for a five-day R&R from the Philippines and will probably stay at the Asia Hotel per many of the recommendation on the board. I'll make a list, during the next couple of weeks, of the bars and clubs recommended herein and will gladly write a field report either during the trip or when I back.
I have a good friend who has lived in the city for years and unfortunately, will not be around when I'm there. He's offered to put me in touch with a driver whom he has used for years. There's no question about the driver's reliability, but my question to you guys is whether I really need a driver who knows every place in the city or not. Is there any real advantage?
Thanks.
GE
Just got back from 2 weeks in Cambodia, most of which was spent in Phnom Penh. The place is still a complete shithole, but it’s still much cheaper than Thailand.
Rose Bar – took a hottie out of here the first night. I walked in on a Wednesday night around 12:30 and no one was there. Played a few rounds of pool and took her LT for $20. Sadly this was to by my only good deal for the week. I walked in a week later and was going to take this other girl out. Bought her drinks, played some pool, and looked like she was ready to go. At the last minute (around 2:30 am) she said that she had to walk her friend home that night so she couldn’t go with me. There’s also a hottie behind the bar who works the cash register that has huge tits – but she’s very temperamental and will rarely go with anyone.
Basically, if you want to take a girl out of this bar you need to be very lucky and the girl has to like you. The girls here have no qualms about letting you buy them drinks all night and then making up some excuse not to go with you. I think all the bars on this street are similar, although Rose is probably the least worst of the bunch.
Zanzibar – I have never seen anyone take a girl out of this bar. I believe that it’s truly an impossibility. I sat down for one drink and the vibe was the same as it was a year ago: buy us drinks, but there’s no way you’re taking us out. There’s a stunner in here named “Darling” who I’ve been trying to take out for awhile. As usual, she made up some excuse as to why she couldn’t go. This is a good bar for expats to hang out, but not for pulling girls.
Walkabout – Still one of the best bets in town. Sure, it’s a complete dive, but it’s a good place to hang out and meet freelancers. The upstairs bar is in dire need of remodeling – it looks like a warehouse with dusty tables and a few pool tables. I met a girl here who was half Viet and half Khmer named Ying (or was it Ning?). She’s the shortest girl who hangs around upstairs, usually playing pool. Anyway, we agreed on $30 for LT, took her back and she was a complete starfish. Wouldn’t do anything. Was so bad that I couldn’t even come and I just kicked her out. Still paid her $20 (didn’t want her spreading bad rumors about me in the bar), but be warned – she’s terrible.
The next night I went upstairs and finally got to see my old friend Janto again. She recognized me immediately even though I hadn’t seen her in over a year and it was only one night. Spent the night together and gave her $40 (don’t yell at me – she’s well worth it.) I came back after going to Angkor Wat and spent another 2 days with her. She’s a little nympho, that’s for sure. One of the horniest girls I’ve ever seen. When I left she gave me her number and email (sorry, she told me not to give it out).
Shanghai – the queen of the cock-tease bars. I only went in here because it’s in between Heart of Darkness and Walkabout, and they’ve got a decent pool table. I sat down and ordered a beer. Now most of the hostesses here are very attractive, and started chatting a few of them up. After about 30 minutes, my friend was getting frustrated and just asked them point blank: “Do you ever go with any customers?” All three of them replied “No. Never.” Out we went.
Heart of Darkness – For those of you who don’t know, this is a dance club. There’s also a pool table, but it’s mostly a place for freelancers and for guys to come and pick them up. There are also a few middle-aged men here with their receding hairlines, wearing their chinos and polo shirts just standing around not knowing quite what to do. It’s an interesting scene to watch. Beers are expensive here - $3.00 – the most in any bar. It’s a good place to hit towards the end of the night if you’ve struck out at the other places. Oh, and the tuk tuk guys are complete assholes outside. 10 of them will hound you immediately as you exit the place.
Sharky’s – I was apprehensive going up the green felt steps yet again, but was pleasantly surprised – the quality has actually gone up here! Maybe management finally kicked all the skanks to the curb and made room for some new hotties. First of all, this place has got great food – some of the best in the city. The only problem I see with this place is that if you want to play pool (especially on a weekend), you will sometimes have to wait for over an hour, and there are some guys who are just complete assholes when playing. There are still a few cute Viet girls who hang out here, and I pulled one named “Lang” with hair down to her waist. She was a complete pornstar in the bedroom. Unbelievable. Probably the best BJ I’ve ever had in my P4P experience.
Le Cyrcee – we walked in here just for the hell of it. 6 girls automatically started molesting us when we sat down. Unfortunately there’s only 1 Viet girl working there now that I could see. Also, the prices have gone up. I suppose with the closing of Sophie’s and Makado, this is the only place left so they can charge what they want. For LT it’s $7 barfine, and $40 to the girl. ST is $4 barfine, and I think it’s $20 to the girl.
Happyman bar – This is one of those bars that’s just like DV8, 136, 104, etc. They’ve got a pool table and every time you make a shot, all the girls applaud. A few lookers, but nothing to get excited about. Also I’m not even sure you can even take these girls out (I couldn’t at 136 last time).
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]I have googled it a hundred time and can only find 3rd party sellers?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cambodia-phnompenh-asiahotel.com/[/url]
ask for discount and free pickup from airport.
Me and my friend went to DV8 for our first time ever last night and the lady said they had just relocated; she said it isn't vary far from where it was. I think she was saying it is just a few businesses away.
Now it has just one floor and no pool table, but they still had the old sign in front saying pool table on second floor.
Since my friend brought his own girl, the girls there looked over at me but didn't approach me, but we just went there to have a look anyways.
Good round up by mango fan but cant understand his problems in the rose bar or zanzibar.
Girls in both usually go especially at this time of year when customers are hard to find.The rose has good food and sociable girls,usually very sociable.
Up down bar in 136 is a favourite with an affable host in dave and always a good vibe amongst the girls.
I use to enjoy the nightowl but the influx of sooties put me right off,69 bar had the same problem the other night.
Thanks for the two replies I got.
Yes. It seems that I even got mixed up with 51st and 63rd.
Using [url]http://www.bongthom.com/Maps/ShowMap. Asp? IDMap=7[/url], I was referring to the karaoke places on 51st. Walking north, cross junction at 154 there are few places on the right, then turn right at 144, again places on the right, then turn right onto 49th and right again onto 154. In other words a block karaoke parlours. Girls sit out/inside on plastic chairs, and often a young male guy outside tries to get you inside.
Are these 5 dollar brothels?
Someone mentioned walking up Monivong (93) north, turn right on 154 and then you see girls/pimps at corner of 63rd. Some of the girls sit on floor in between parked cars outside the hotel/cafe-look a bit young though.
Warning! I got scammed by a girl near here. Pimp said hand the 12 dollars over before the action. I said no, I will give it to the girl after. Went to hotel. Paid the girl when I got in room. Also realized this street girl was a little rough in the light. She said she was hungry wanted to go to street food stall outside. I knew what was coming but I didn't care. I half wanted her not to come back because she wasn't really that nice. Yes, you guessed it. Never saw her again.
Never pay a pimp in advance and never pay a girl before the dirty deed.
Only carry money you need for that session and put your wallet under the mattress. The girl normally laughs at this because she knows she is beaten. Putting the wallet anywhere else in the room and you will lose your cash guaranteed.
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Hi.
Can sombody tell me about a place called X.0 snooker club. (Not sure if this is the correct name) It's next to the DR club and nto far from the Queen Hotel. I've seen carloads of beautiful girls park their cars and walk in.
Is this a hostess club?
Are Barangs welcome?
What do the girls charge for sex?
Thanks.
TC.
[QUOTE=Tom II] ....girls park their cars and walk in.....
What do the girls charge for sex?[QUOTE]Girls in Cambodia, who own cars, working boom-boom? Can't believe that.
Can anyone out there tell me which is better, the Asia Hotel or the Riverside? I've checked both web sites and the Riverside appears to be slightly nicer from the standpoint of room furnishings, and it's gotten slightly better reviews on the sites that I visited at least. This is my first trip to Cambodia and it's strictly R&R, so I want to make sure that where I stay is reasonably comfortable, safe, and within striking distance of the better hunting grounds.
Any help would be much appreciated.
GE
The riverside hotel is nicer than the Asia hotel.
As for Happyman the girls definatley go. I have been with five of the girls there, at times I have been with three girls at a time with a mate so I can say that they are not shy and good performers also. Same goes for girls at 136 although there are girls there that dont go. Dont be shy just ask them straight up even before you buy them the first drink. Dont play there game or the one that your used to in the west, buying the girls drinks hoping that they will like you and go home with you.
[QUOTE=Vmann][QUOTE=Tom II] ....girls park their cars and walk in.....
What do the girls charge for sex?[QUOTE]Girls in Cambodia, who own cars, working boom-boom? Can't believe that.[/QUOTE]
Just because a Cambo girl rides in a car dosen't mean she cannot still be a sex worker.
She could be sponsored by someone and still look for some extra cash.
Maybe X.0 club girls are charging high premiums for their services and can afford a semi luxury lifestyle. Not every girl going into X.0 club had a car, but rather there were 3-4 girls in a car.
That was my question in my original post. Are the girls going to X.0 club prostitutes, and if so what do they charge?
I could be totally off-base here(as you assume). These girls may just be Hi-So Cambodian girls looking to just have a good time.
Tom.
That was my question in my original post. Are the girls going to X.0 club prostitutes, and if so what do they charge?
Yes most of the are. They charge from $20 to $50.
There is more than one XO club as well, but most are the same.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]That was my question in my original post. Are the girls going to X.0 club prostitutes, and if so what do they charge?
Yes most of the are. They charge from $20 to $50.
There is more than one XO club as well, but most are the same.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Shadow6491.
One more question. Are Barangs welcome or is it strickly for Asians?
[QUOTE=Tom II]Can sombody tell me about a place called X.0 snooker club. (Not sure if this is the correct name) It's next to the DR club and nto far from the Queen Hotel. I've seen carloads of beautiful girls park their cars and walk in.
[/QUOTE]
I don't know the Queen Hotel or the DR club. Where are we talking about? What streets? (cross streets is a good way to give location in PP, not just one street since usually they run such a long distance)
To Shadow6941, are they all about the same in quality? If not, which is/are best. And how many are there? where?
thanks
queen hotel is #49 street 214 (Cambodia yellow pages)
I was in Phnom Penh for a week in March, and again for most of the month of May. I have a friend who lives there, and he informed me what the prices should be, as I had not been in almost 5 years. I found him to be dead on with the prices, so I am going to share them here. Keep in mind that these are not asking prices, these are the actual prices you can bargain them down to--in other words, the same prices a Khmer would pay. The keys to getting these prices are simple, and will also work in other cities in Asia and Latin America:
1) Never, ever, ever, ever, ever ask how much. Tell them the price you will pay--and don't try to low ball and think you will bargain up. This will just make them think you don't know the real price.
2) When you tell them the price, make sure your tone and body language indicate that you assume the price will be accepted and are just verifying this. Don't ask questioningly, or stand there waiting for agreement as if you expect a counter offer. State the price and then just go on as if the price has already been accepted, whether this means getting on the back of the motorcycle, into the tuk-tuk, walking with the girl toward the room, etc.
3) Walk away. I had to do this fully 50% of the time. In 90%-95% of the cases the seller followed me and either agreed to my price or came down from his previous low--and then eventually agreed to my price.
4) Don't get angry
5) Set the price first; don't take the service and then pay at the end. Yes, that technique will work, but it will very often result in real anger, as the driver or girl was probably thinking they were going to get an inflated tourist price the whole time, and now feels cheated.
6) Whenever possible, use the same driver regularly. You will never have to bargain after the second time, and usually not after the first.
7) It helps to say the price in Khmer, as that indicates you are not a newbie.
The prices I regularly paid:
Motodop to/from anywhere in the Riverside/Walkabout/Psar Tmai(sp?) area: 2000 Riels max, 1000 Riels for short rides, even if it is you plus a girl on one bike (my friend is over 350 pounds/160 kilos and also gets this price, so anyone can.)
Motodop to/from anywhere in the Riverside/Walkabout/Psar Tmai to Martini: $1. Coming back, if you have stayed late and there is a shortage of rides, you might have to pay more, but not over $1.
Tuk-tuk to/from anywhere in the Riverside/Walkabout/Psar Tmai(sp?) area: $1 max, 2000-3000 Riels for short rides. Some friends insisted that they were unable to get one below $1.50 because they were a group of 4 guys (2 of whom were pretty hefty), even after walking away, but I can't verify this personally. I know that 3 of us got tuk-tuks for $1 the next day with no problem. The only place I could not get this price regularly was on the corner next to Angkor International Hotel--so I just walked a block either direction to find a driver who would accept it.
Tuk-tuk to/from anywhere in the Riverside/Walkabout/Psar Tmai to Martini: $1.50. Coming back, if you have stayed late and there is a shortage of rides, you might have to pay more.
Tuk-tuk from the airport to your hotel in the central or riverside areas: $3 if you get it outside the fence, and I suspect they will go even lower, as it took less than 30 seconds negotiating to get this price.
Tuk-tuk from Walkabout to American embassy: $1.50
Tuk-tuk for more than about 4 hours: $2 per hour. This is for constant driving, such as when you are going out to a village and back. If it is a little bit of driving and a lot of waiting, such as when bar hopping, you can get it cheaper--but in that case it is generally cheaper and easier to just get a new tuk-tuk at each stop, unless you are really lazy, disabled, or it is raining.
Note: In extremely heavy rain or flooding, you may have to add 1000-2000 Riel to any and all of the above prices.
ST in any Viet house on St. 63, 154, etc: $5 (When one pimp said no, the price had gone up to $10, I just said "Oh, sorry, I did not know, I'll go somewhere else" and the price immediately came back down to $5 before I got 5 feet away)
ST in Walk About or Martini: $10
LT in hostess bar or Martini: $20, although I may have paid $25 in Zanzibar. I can't remember.
On a slightly related note, I firmly believe that damn near every (like 99.9%) non-virgin girl in every hostess bar who is not the owner's girlfriend does go with customers for money--but some are a lot pickier about who they go with, or only go when rent is due, at the end of the night, etc. This even applies to Shanghai, where only about 10% regularly go, but where several girls who vehemently insisted they were not hookers admitted to me that yes, they would sleep with customers they liked or whom they thought might be potential boyfriends, and yes, they expected to be given money the next morning. Still, in their view that did not make them prostitutes!?!?
I did find it MUCH easier to get some of the ice-princess superstar type hostess bar girls to agree to go with me when the bars were getting ready to close than early in the night.
I'll be back again in about a week, so if anything has changed I'll report it here.
Thank you, Hippie!
This is the information, that is needed!
Thanks a lot, Hippie!
My first experience in PP. Only one day.
After reading well the forum (thank you all who contributed! ) I directly ckeck in at Walkabout Hotel. The place is wonderful: it is a cheap and decent hotel. It is also a nice bar, with good food and pool. Both work as a 24h pick-up and fuck-up point! 24h open, 24h available chicks! All around it also there are many girly bars, discos, and even karaoke and Cambodian brothel.
I check-in at 3pm and immediately go down to take a beer and a. A nice small girl, very dark, very young (I admit I didn't control the age), nt so nice face comes near to me. No english. We go up. No speaking about money.
Usual stuff: BBBJ, datY, missionary. Then things get a little weirder than usual: she licks my ass very deep and asks me to take her ass too. She keeps it all, without lubri, and she likes. Then a pass to doggy and insert a finger in her ass, then 2 and 3. It turns her up incredibly. The more I was rude to her little hole the more she liked. Exploded, uncovered on her body as she was eating my nipples hard.
Sigarette. Rest. Tv. She lies down on my legs, just kissing my small dick. She take the small point in her mouth and sleeps! After maybe half hour I begin to turn her on by. Kissing and licking and fingerfucking hard her ass. Begin another wonderfull session and hard insertions, biting, even spanking.
She was hot and wet. A small young body in an experienced and weird *****. Excellent session. We go down, I gave her 10usd and bring her home with my scooter. She said finish for today, student and go to bang a just foreigner, not even everyday. Yeah, you know, they all say so.
Sorry but not noted down her name.
I never discuss the prices. Thanks to this forum I always have an idea of the current prices, take the girl, and after the service (be it massage, be it lt, be it st, or else) I give her the average price. They actually accept because the price of the forum is the real actual current price.
In pp the prices are 5 usd for a quicky fuck on 63 street.
10 usd for ST in hotel (15 for model-type), and 20-30 for LT, for girls in bars and disco. Not encountered and bar-fine system, but maybe more local expert mongers may explain it better
In winter the prices go a up.
It is better never ask for the price. You know it, and she knows it too.
I recently purchased. This is a price report. All are boxes of 4 pills. Prices are in US dollars per box (not per pill).
Pharmacie SOTA 38Eo Street 136 (between street 63 and street 51, closer to 51 on the south side of 136).
Kamagra (Ajanta Pharma Limited - Mumbai) $1.60
Zeagra (Zee Laboratories - Karnal, India) $1.50
Cialis (Eli Lily - United Kingdom/Ireland) $3.00
Synalis-20 (Syndmedic - Faribad) $5.50
he was out of the 50 mg blue tabs (packages of 10).
for Viagra:
Use pharmacie on the south east corner of Street 51 and Street 136.
Price is $4 per box (they ask for $5). 100 mg viagras (Pfizer - brooklyn, ny usa manufactured and packaged in Australia.
[QUOTE=Masthope]I recently purchased. This is a price report. All are boxes of 4 pills. Prices are in US dollars per box (not per pill).
Pharmacie SOTA 38Eo Street 136 (between street 63 and street 51, closer to 51 on the south side of 136).
Kamagra (Ajanta Pharma Limited - Mumbai) $1.60
Zeagra (Zee Laboratories - Karnal, India) $1.50
Cialis (Eli Lily - United Kingdom/Ireland) $3.00
Synalis-20 (Syndmedic - Faribad) $5.50
he was out of the 50 mg blue tabs (packages of 10).
for Viagra:
Use pharmacie on the south east corner of Street 51 and Street 136.
Price is $4 per box (they ask for $5). 100 mg viagras (Pfizer - brooklyn, ny usa manufactured and packaged in Australia.[/QUOTE]
I don't say this to provoke, as I've been a buyer in those same shops myself, even in this past year. I just wonder: how can these places be selling these drugs so much cheaper than they're available elsewhere? They're somewhat higher priced in Bangkok, and much higher priced almost anywhere else.
I can see how the explanation for the Indian knockoffs would make sense, but how could they be selling the Pfizer and Eli Lilly originals at such low prices? One possibility there is that they're counterfeit of course, but I'm actually open to hearing what explanation otherwise there might be, if anyone claimed they're legit, and judging how plausible that explanation sounds.
I want to believe, I really do. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]...how could they be selling the Pfizer and Eli Lilly originals at such low prices? One possibility there is that they're counterfeit of course...[/QUOTE]
I have to say I bought that super-cheap Cialis in PP and it has worked very well.
Guys, which is more conveniant and/or cheaper to get to PP? Bangkok or Singapore?
[QUOTE=Rguy89]Guys, which is more conveniant and/or cheaper to get to PP? Bangkok or Singapore?[/QUOTE]
[url]www.airasia.com[/url] and
[url]http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/index.html[/url]
Will give you the answer
[QUOTE=Wendella]I don't say this to provoke, as I've been a buyer in those same shops myself, even in this past year. I just wonder: how can these places be selling these drugs so much cheaper than they're available elsewhere? They're somewhat higher priced in Bangkok, and much higher priced almost anywhere else.
I can see how the explanation for the Indian knockoffs would make sense, but how could they be selling the Pfizer and Eli Lilly originals at such low prices? One possibility there is that they're counterfeit of course, but I'm actually open to hearing what explanation otherwise there might be, if anyone claimed they're legit, and judging how plausible that explanation sounds.
I want to believe, I really do. ;)[/QUOTE]
I watched a BBC documentary about a year ago. The lady reporter pretended to be a wholesale buyer. She visited several factories in India.
They were telling her that she couldn't make the difference in the packaging and that she could have any percentage of the incredient in the pills.
I remember them quoting 7%, 25% or whatever she wants.
[QUOTE=El Greco]I watched a BBC documentary about a year ago. The lady reporter pretended to be a wholesale buyer. She visited several factories in India.
They were telling her that she couldn't make the difference in the packaging and that she could have any percentage of the incredient in the pills.
I remember them quoting 7%, 25% or whatever she wants.[/QUOTE]
So if that's right, then the Cialis and Viagra pills are knockoffs too. If so, there'd be no reason to buy those brands in PP, but rather to just stick with the ones we know are Indian (Apcalis, Kamagra, etc.).
I don't follow what you said about how the woman could 'have any % of the ingredient in the pills'. Which ingredient? The active ingredient?
[QUOTE=Wendella]So if that's right, then the Cialis and Viagra pills are knockoffs too. If so, there'd be no reason to buy those brands in PP, but rather to just stick with the ones we know are Indian (Apcalis, Kamagra, etc.).
I don't follow what you said about how the woman could 'have any % of the ingredient in the pills'. Which ingredient? The active ingredient?[/QUOTE]
They meant the active ingredient eg sidenafil for viagra.
I will agree with you about Kamagra etc. I only get mine in bulk while in Buenos Aires. Genuine Cialis and local generic viagra but they do the job very well.
I buy from pharmacies but you can check prices and what's available there at this site.
[url]http://www.viagrasalud.com.ar/[/url]
I have been back in PP for a few days now. I want to correct 2 typos in my last report on prices, and add a little more info:
"Motodop to/from anywhere in the Riverside/Walkabout/Psar Tmai to Martini: $1. Coming back, if you have stayed late and there is a shortage of rides, you might have to pay more, but not over $1." That should have been "not over $1.50"
"American Embassy" should have been "Thai Embassy." I don't know what I was thinking. I have also been informed that the trip should have only cost $1--I overpaid.
When I mentioned paying 1000 riel for a short motodop ride, the operative word was "short"--like from St. 118 to St. 136. In other words, an easily walkable distance that you just don't feel like walking at the moment. The vast majority of rides will be 2000. Khmers will actually pay 1500 for certain in-between distances, but that is more effort to figure out than I am willing to go to for 12.5 cents.
My comments about setting the price first apply to tuk-tuks more than girls. I have noticed that I no longer discuss price first with girls except in hostess bars, and I seldom take girls from those. Not sure when I stopped doing this--I guess I just go by the feel of the situation. For instance, I have never asked a girl from Heart of Darkness about money, and I have always just given them $20 early the next afternoon and had no complaints.
I have lots of friends who buy generic medicine here and have heard no complaints about them not working properly--which seems rather incredible considering how corrupt Cambodia is. I have, however, heard of people getting supposedly name brand drugs where the boxes were not quite right, and refusing to buy them because they feared the contents might be fake as well. Overall, I would say you are as safe buying here as in Thailand, and more so than in the Philippines.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Overall, I would say you are as safe buying here as in Thailand, and more so than in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]
Safe in terms of effectiveness but not necessarily your health. Sildenafil and tadalafil are cheap to manufacture so there's no reason not to put some in -- it keeps your distributors happy. The problem with fast and dirty production is impurities, including some nasty ones like boric acid. Potency varies widely too.
The safest assumption in Cambodia is that these drugs are 100% bootleg, mostly from China. Many friends use them with no problems but personally I'm happy to pay a bit more for 'real' Indian generics in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Betong]Safe in terms of effectiveness but not necessarily your health. Sildenafil and tadalafil are cheap to manufacture so there's no reason not to put some in -- it keeps your distributors happy. The problem with fast and dirty production is impurities, including some nasty ones like boric acid. Potency varies widely too.
The safest assumption in Cambodia is that these drugs are 100% bootleg, mostly from China. Many friends use them with no problems but personally I'm happy to pay a bit more for 'real' Indian generics in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
The plot thickens. Are we pretty sure that's true, that the ones available even as Indian generics in Cambodia are in fact Chinese? How do we know this? Not doubting it, just digging to see why you think so. That these same Indian generics are cheaper in Cambodia than in Thailand would seem to point to your being correct. Though I guess it's possible there is some other reason too. Or a contrary speculation: why would the Chinese bother to counterfeit Indian knockoffs rather than the real thing.
Another disturbing thought: if the Indian generics in Cambodia are fake and from China, why would we assume the ones in Thailand aren't too. It's not like there's any government oversight there either, and even if there was, would you trust Thailand's govt oversight?
[QUOTE=Wendella]Are we pretty sure that's true, that the ones available even as Indian generics in Cambodia are in fact Chinese?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that some of them are (I'm a journo and pursued some of this for work . . . well, half for work) but by no means all of them. There are a lot of people in a lot of places making fakes these days.
When I first saw Indian generics in PP some years ago I bought some on the principle that they wouldn't be worth counterfeiting. Then I got a batch that was obviously fake -- substandard coating and weird texture. Pretty clearly the big Indian brands like Penegra and Kamagra have reached a level of name recognition where they're a worthwhile target for counterfeiters. And by now some of the fakes look very good.
No government oversight for the Indian generics in Thailand, since they're not licensed for sale there. You need to go to a trustworthy pharmacy. And finding one of those is a whole topic in itself.
[QUOTE=Betong]Safe in terms of effectiveness but not necessarily your health. Sildenafil and tadalafil are cheap to manufacture so there's no reason not to put some in -- it keeps your distributors happy. The problem with fast and dirty production is impurities, including some nasty ones like boric acid. Potency varies widely too.
The safest assumption in Cambodia is that these drugs are 100% bootleg, mostly from China. Many friends use them with no problems but personally I'm happy to pay a bit more for 'real' Indian generics in Thailand.[/QUOTE]No, "as safe" on both counts. Note that I am not saying that they are 100% safe in any way. That would be ludicrous. The same applies to drugs bought in Thailand, where I am 100% positive I have purchased fake Kamagra, and the Philippines, where anything and everything can be fake, including the Cipro I once bought (at least I am pretty sue it was fake, based upon how quickly I responded to a second round of treatment with some I bought at a second location.). Considering that pharmacists in the U.S.A. have been caught selling fake cancer meds in the past, I would never have complete trust in the drugs I purchase anywhere.
I also lived in China for a few years, and you can buy a very limited number of name brand medicines there at dirt cheap price. These are the real thing, but the selection is not very large. They are mostly from European companies, and never include the "latest and greatest" drugs. For instance, there are about 5 or 6 anti-hypertension drugs available, and I think none that have been released in the last decade. However, these are easily recognizable since everything except the brand and name is in Chinese. ED meds were not among this group when I left last year.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Note that I am not saying that they are 100% safe in any way.[/QUOTE]
It's true, the more you look into the drugs distribution system in SE Asia, the more your realize that you are taking a risk anywhere. But Cambodia still has a particularly poor reputation -- lots of info on this online from the WHO -- with ED meds taking over from anti-malarials as the main target for counterfeiters.
Have always bought kamagra gel and V tabs in PP, always worked for me and so cheap.
Can't understand all this debate about authenticity, don't know anyone who has had a problem with getting it up in this town.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Have always bought kamagra gel and V tabs in PP, always worked for me and so cheap.
Can't understand all this debate about authenticity, don't know anyone who has had a problem with getting it up in this town.[/QUOTE]
I guess you're right, better to remain ignorant and have no idea if they're legit, or safe or not. ;)
I m in phnom penh now you can still get the taxi girls for 10$ ST and 20$ LT even if they ask for more
Just need to bargain little bit
So don't push the prices up guys because the sevice won't be better if you pay more!
[QUOTE=Prison Break]I m in phnom penh now you can still get the taxi girls for 10$ ST and 20$ LT even if they ask for more
Just need to bargain little bit
So don't push the prices up guys because the sevice won't be better if you pay more![/QUOTE]
I'm coming to Phnom Penh for the first time a week from tomorrow. I think I've mapped out the location of most of the better known bars thanks to the information I've found here, but please tell me what are "taxi girls?" Also, any updates on the bar scene would be much appreciated.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough] but please tell me what are "taxi girls?"
GE[/QUOTE]Taxi girls are prostitutes.
Thanks for the response. Here in the Philippines we call them differently. I'll be in PP for several days so I will have the chance to hit most of the places recommended on these pages. However, I arrive during the evening and want to start the trip off right before fatigue takes over completely. Any recommendations for the first "don't miss" bar I should go to?
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough] Here in the Philippines we call them differently. [/qUOTE]
If you are used to the girls quality in Manila, Cebu or Davao,
I'm afraid you'll be disappointed in PP.
All the best for a good catch!
Cheers!
Thanks Ekspat for the insight, but the truth is I've been here for five years and I'm ready for a change, even if the change of quality is in a slightly downward direction. I've read about 15 or 16 pages on this forum, and most of the guys seem to have a pretty good time. I doubt that my tastes are much different from theirs.
I've made a list of about twenty-five bars recommended by the guys here and it sounds to me like Martinis, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness and Sharky's are the first places that I should check out. In fact most of them sound a bit like LA Cafe, and if that's the case, I'll be a happy camper.
I've booked the Riverside for the first two nights and after that, we'll see. Will probably spend one night at Seam Reap to see Ankor Wat and if I'm lucky enough to find a keeper in PP, I'll take her with me. If not, I'll have a night to test my luck there.
I'm looking forward to the entire experience.
GE
When I am in pp I always buy Zeagra. They sell it a petrol stations for $2. 30 for 4 x 100mg tablets. It always works well for me and I only take 1/4 of a tablet. Has anyone else tried it?
Not a clue who makes it or if it well known enough to have been copied!
BF
[QUOTE=Bold Focker]When I am in pp I always buy Zeagra. They sell it a petrol stations for $2. 30 for 4 x 100mg tablets. It always works well for me and I only take 1/4 of a tablet. Has anyone else tried it?
Not a clue who makes it or if it well known enough to have been copied!
BF[/QUOTE]
That's so cheap! And it is sold at petrol stations? Ummm...
I dont remember exactly how much but Kamagra (4x100mg) cost me 20+USD in HCMC. Cialis (2x20mg) is more expensive.
A 20mg Cialis keeps me going 4 days or so while a 33mg of Kamagra lasts me only 3 to 5 hours. With Kamagra, it is difficult to time when to take, considering a lead time to take effect as well, besides the deed is not always guaranteed. A Cialis is good for a long weekend.
[QUOTE=Prison Break]I m in phnom penh now you can still get the taxi girls for 10$ ST and 20$ LT even if they ask for more
Just need to bargain little bit
So don't push the prices up guys because the sevice won't be better if you pay more![/QUOTE]
Re Taxi girls
Can you/anyone please tell me where I can them?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]Re Taxi girls
Can you/anyone please tell me where I can them?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Nmg,
You can find taxi girls everywhere. The first place that comes to mind is Walkabout. There are freelancers there all the time. At a lot of the bars the girls may be available. Watch out for places like Shanghai where the girls are just cockteasers. At some of the restaurants the waitresses will go with you. Of course there are the brothels like on Street 63. There are usually some freelancers at the riverside looking for customers.
Southbound69
[QUOTE=Southbound69]Nmg,
You can find taxi girls everywhere. The first place that comes to mind is Walkabout. There are freelancers there all the time. At a lot of the bars the girls may be available. Watch out for places like Shanghai where the girls are just cockteasers. At some of the restaurants the waitresses will go with you. Of course there are the brothels like on Street 63. There are usually some freelancers at the riverside looking for customers.
Southbound69[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
Silly me. It is a general term for WG, isnt it. I thought it has something to do with 'taxi'; like they hang around in taxi ranks, or they are delivered in a taxi etc.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Thanks for the response. Here in the Philippines we call them differently. I'll be in PP for several days so I will have the chance to hit most of the places recommended on these pages. However, I arrive during the evening and want to start the trip off right before fatigue takes over completely. Any recommendations for the first "don't miss" bar I should go to?
GE[/QUOTE]Dont miss bars?
Street 104 has the reliable rose bar(with rooms upstairs) as well as the bunny bar(nice girls,no men),and the open all hours nightowl with probably the best lookers in PP.Beware there are several genuine virgins here.
Heading south to st 136 is the noisy but full of girls 69 bar plus next door full of girls 136,across the road the affable pom dave has the up/down with the bonus ladyboys.
If you want girls with a few miles on the clock but guaranteed performers,mostly ex cycree,mikado,sophie try tahiti eden on 118.
And the always titilating le cycree,across the other side of norodom between 136 and 130.
Sharkey,walkabou and martini much better later,and there is always the heart after 1 or 2pm when the bar girls drift by-but beware of khmers with guns,seriously.
Any one who tried the new metered taxies in PP. The last bastion falling to civilisation!
[QUOTE=Southbound69]Nmg,
You can find taxi girls everywhere. The first place that comes to mind is Walkabout. There are freelancers there all the time. At a lot of the bars the girls may be available. Watch out for places like Shanghai where the girls are just cockteasers. At some of the restaurants the waitresses will go with you. Of course there are the brothels like on Street 63. There are usually some freelancers at the riverside looking for customers.
Southbound69[/QUOTE]I would be very carefull with street 63, as the pimps there will pickpocket you. also there`s freelancers on the approach to the big main casino.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Dont miss bars?
Street 104 has the reliable rose bar(with rooms upstairs) as well as the bunny bar(nice girls,no men),and the open all hours nightowl with probably the best lookers in PP.Beware there are several genuine virgins here.
Heading south to st 136 is the noisy but full of girls 69 bar plus next door full of girls 136,across the road the affable pom dave has the up/down with the bonus ladyboys.
If you want girls with a few miles on the clock but guaranteed performers,mostly ex cycree,mikado,sophie try tahiti eden on 118.
And the always titilating le cycree,across the other side of norodom between 136 and 130.
Sharkey,walkabou and martini much better later,and there is always the heart after 1 or 2pm when the bar girls drift by-but beware of khmers with guns,seriously.[/QUOTE]
Thanks very much for the information. It's nice to know something about the smaller places. I think my list now includes about 25 bars, so I might not have the chance to hit them all, but I'm sure going to try.
Thanks too to the guys who have PM'ed me with advice and information. It's much appreciated and if I can ever reciprocate here in the city of Davao, please do not hesitate to ask me.
GE
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]If you want girls with a few miles on the clock but guaranteed performers,mostly ex cycree,mikado,sophie try tahiti eden on 118.
[/QUOTE]
I've been past Mikado about a dozen times in the past few weeks and it was locked up. I reckon it's shut. La Cyrcee girls at the moment with about two exceptions are definitely not 'a few miles on the clock' though I haven't checked all the places you mention. Do you think Cyrcee kicks them out once they pass 25?
with all respect, any info on Cambodia that is more than a couple of months old has to be taken with a pinch of salt as things change so rapidly, but it's good to get a general picture or background info. Even some of the tourist guides have a 'best before' stamp on them <g>.
I will arrive in Phenom Penh tomorrow evening. If any of the more experienced Cambodia guys are in town and you want to get together for a beer, the first couple are on me. I've got the names of so many bars and so many semi-conflicting suggestions that I'm not sure where I'll start, but probably Martinis.
If anyone's out there and wants to get together, send me a PM.
GE
Chirstopherd does not read properly, I live here and have up to date info always. Mikado closed more than 6 months ago, everyone in PP knows why, I said that eden had EX girls from various places.
Many girls move around or are sacked for working out of hours, getting a phone number is always the best policy.
LCC had a few nice youngsters the other night, eden has veterans.
Hi all,
I have been PP and Cambodia in January and go again in November. I know about the 10$ST and 20$ LT.
But I saw many people who take the girl also the whole day and for travel, . Full service, like part time girl friend.
How much is it about per day to take such a girl; any experiences?
TY michael
sook-see-bye’s phnom penh
[b]disclaimer[/b]
this report is based on personal experiences and is current as of august-september 2008. as things change very rapidly in cambodia, please don’t place too much reliance on any reports (inc this one) as details go if more than a couple of months old! it’s nowhere near comprehensive but is written to be as helpful as possible.
[b]orientation[/b]
roads basically run as a numbered grid, even numbered roads running east to west and odd numbered roads running north to south. central phnom penh is the area west of the river from wat phnom in the north (about street 92) to wat lanka and the independence monument in the south (sihanouk boulevard or about 276). some of the bigger streets have names. the three main north-south streets in this area are monivong boulevard, norodom boulevard and sisowath quay.
street 51 (also called pasteur) runs north-south to the west of norodom.
for accommodation and mongering purposes, street 51 and sisowath quay (with a few joining streets in the region of street 136) are the two main choices. i think this is more helpful than a list of bars as many bars change frequently and, once you decide on your home stomping place, it is easy enough to find and explore them yourself.
[i]street 51[/i] includes walkabout and heart of darkness and ‘the strip’ – which is a succession of bars aimed at the single male (and from which women can be extracted with varying amounts of ease and difficulty). although regular tourists wander in, it is an area where the monger does not look out of place, no matter how old, lecherous, unwashed and grubby. cyrcee is in a parallel street a couple of blocks north of heart of darkness with a few illegal brothels in between.
[i]sisowath quay[/i] on the other hand, is the upmarket area catering for mainstream tourists or those that like their creature comforts, and mongers stand out rather more. most of the bars with pdp (and many guest houses) are located a few yards away in the streets running off sisowath. one or two bars, like sharkey’s, are equidistant from both. although the whole of the area can just about be covered on foot, norodom can be a pain to cross in rush hour. when i arrived, i was lucky to cross it in five minutes. by my second visit i had it down to half a minute ([i]see[/i] tips on traffic in my cambodia general report).
i personally preferred street 51 area. it has plenty of options within very close range of each other even if the lower end predominates. the main hassle is from being offered motos, but i found many got to know me and we could make a joke of it (remember they’re only trying to earn a living). the hit and miss of walkabout is balanced by the more reliably good-looking options in cyrcee or (if you can handle it) heart of darkness. but street 51 is also only yards from the smell of human excrement in back-alleys. not cambodia at its most horrific, but pretty bad.
sisowath quay, in contrast, is cambodia re-packaged for tourists and rich cambodians. there’s greater choice of places that are ‘civilised’ according to western standards. rooms aren’t necessarily more expensive. the sh*t and p*ss of life is better hidden. one of the main annoyances is schoolkids trying to sell you the free newspaper or cello-wrapped bootleg copies of lonely planet and any other book tourists buy. just tell then they should be in school. sisowath, especially a bit further south, has some genuinely appealing (non-pdp) locales. fcc is a very civilised place to have lunch or dinner. the royal palace area is a nice area for enjoying the sunshine, as is the (quieter and more secluded) garden in the national museum. for those of you who have contemplated paying ross jeffries $$$ to learn how to control your mind and influence women, you can get the basics of mind-control from one of the few places that teach genuine buddhist meditation at the nearby wat lanka (the senior monk speaks english). free, but if you’ve never sat cross-legged for an hour it might seem like hard work at first.
other main choices in terms of accommodation are a) guest house or 24hr hotel? and b) do you want a place with pdp blatantly available on site? guest houses mean getting security to let you in and out late at night whereas with a hotel you can mostly just waft in. for pdp on-tap, walkabout is the main venue on 51, and a new bar called candy bar (street 136, a few yards off the quay) the only really promising equivalent i’ve found in the sisowath area ([i]see[/i] accommodation, below). one advantage many hotels have is that tuktuks hang about outside, which is handy if there’s a downpour and you need transport.
free maps (eg ‘visitors guide map supplement') and guides (eg 'phnom penh after dark', 'phnom penh out & about', 'phnom penh drinking & dining') are available at just about every bar, restaurant, guest house and hotel. you won’t need them after the first day, but they are good to collect and skim through while you get your bearings.
[b]arrival[/b]
from the airport, $7 is standard just now for a tuktuk, more for taxis. from the bus drop-off (near central market), walkabout or sisowath is almost walking distance and shouldn’t really cost more than $1. but you are hemmed in when you get off the bus and unless you really know your way and want to walk you probably have to cough up $3 tuktuk, especially if it’s rush hour.
[b]accommodation[/b]
here’s some places i’ve stayed at. the first two are street 51 area. the third is between 51 and sisowath.
1. walkabout. first time i checked it out the rooms looked awful value so i didn’t stay. second time i went i was offered a top floor room (same price, $15 inc extra large double bed, a/c and hot water) which was much nicer, so took it. there are sometimes cheaper rooms at Ł12. the locks on the doors are no worse than the rest of cambodia (not such a big deal if you lock your backpack and then lock it to some furniture). and there is a locked ‘residents only’ door before you get to the rooms. with the room, i also got a (free) key for a padlocked personal security locker on the ground floor. they like you to leave the key behind when you go out but i prefer keeping it on me as it saves breaking the flow when taking a girl up to the room. security on the front door checks girls in. they ask you to check with them when you take a girl to a room (for your own security) but don't enforce this. drinks are very reasonably priced. food is tolerable but there are better options i felt in the vicinity. rooms serviced daily. pool tables on ground floor and first floor. chess available from the bar (if ben is reading this, thanks for the games – you should have won!) if you want to check out late, they have a standard charge of half the room rate up to 4pm. open and active 24hrs, 7 days a week. walkabout is on the crossroads of streets 51 (no.109) and 174. [url]http://walkabouthotel.com/[/url]
2. tiko. if you cross street 51 from walkabout and continue 10 yards along street 174 you find this bar-restaurant-guesthouse on the left. it’s run by a nice middle-aged vietnamese woman and some of the rooms are impressive at $15. the downside perhaps is that she is married to a frenchman who can be drunk and a bit abusive to her so domestics were not uncommon when i was there. about as close to w'bout as you can get, as are two or three similar places.
3. cyclo. continuing along street 174, cross norodom boulevard and go north (left) a block to street 172. cyclo is a beautiful french-run establishment and the rotund and affable owner (jean pierre) reminds me of gerard depardieu in city of ghosts (only he’s cleaner and more upmarket than depardieu’s character). rooms (from $15) are exquisitely clean and well-appointed with modern furniture. the restaurant at its best is superb french cuisine and some khmer. (if the chef is out, don’t expect the same standards though.) nice crisp linen napkins. as it’s only a block from walkabout and heart of darkness, it’s ideal for those who like to slum it when out but return to nice crisply hygienic settings. cyclo also has a luxury suite if you’re travelling in a small party or just want to pamper yourself – very nice indeed. the main downside perhaps is that cyclo is near a noisy karaoke bar.
if you fancy the walkabout area, there’s no reason not to get a tuktuk to walkabout and let him run you around the hotels and guest houses (of which there are many) in the immediate vicinity – from a few yards away to a block or two away. most are around $15. flamingoes (just around the corner from w'bout) wanted $25 for a skankier room than walkabout so i didn’t stay there. there’s also a list of no-no’s that includes no washing clothes in your room. four seasons opposite flamingoes has a gym at $4 a day for visitors.
i had been planning to stay in the sisowath area for a while but when i went casually along to bogie and bacall’s (on street 136, just off sisowath), the owner dave managed to talk me out of it with his whining about letting people in and out for late night sts. the rooms are ok, clean enough, nothing special. the bogie and bacall theme doesn’t seem to extend beyond the name. i wasn’t impressed with his bar prices or his miserable attitude, but i no doubt caught him on an off-day (he was quite affable on another occasion). other people on the forum have found it an ok guest house. the $15 room includes continental breakfast. he also offers free laundry if you stay more than a few days.
another guest house i looked at nearby (street 110, no.27) was chi cha guest house. this is an indian or pakistani or bangladeshi place. the kitchen and entrance weren’t that inviting but the room, at $10 with a/c and a nice view over the street, was an impressive bargain.
but my first choice if staying in sisowath area in the future may probably be candy bar (street 136, nos 24-25). this is almost like an upmarket version of walkabout. very clean and enjoyable atmosphere. gorgeous girls (i took one home), straightforward barfines, and its 24hrs. it’s fairly newly opened and the guest rooms weren’t quite ready when i looked but they expect them to be open next month.
[b]pdp[/b]
i’ve mentioned a lot of the options already, but here’s another run-down. for an up-to-date version, check it out yourself as it changes in the space of a month. mikados, dingos, seem to have shut. dv8 has moved a few yards and doesn’t seem to have on-site rooms but is fun even if the girls are a bit full-on. pp easy to explore, so you don’t really need a list of bars that much.
walkabout has a mix of uglies, do-able ones and stunners. it’s more competitive early evening when the girls enjoy a game of pool with their mates. remarkably, some people are unable to score here, sitting on a barstool like a terrified chicken, or walking over and interrupting the best looking girl as she’s about to pot a ball and propositioning her. but for anyone with a bare minimum ability to approach women it is easypeasy. they also talk to each other so you can establish a reputation (eg be nice to them in bed – much more effective than paying too much or buying them drinks imo) and get the best girls to approach you. the standard of pool is generally abysmal.
near walkabout – ie places you will see without a map as soon as you walk out – are many bars but some of them seem to concentrate on selling drinks rather than getting girls out with customers. having said that, shanghai’s is pleasant for its full-on a/c (most cambodian a/c is only barely better than a fan). heart of darkness (my favourite pp bar) is empty early on but still full of atmosphere. all it needs is an opium den and a side-room for russian roulette. after 12 it is hooching. mix of freelancers, tourists (including women tourists), gangsters and just people who go for the (first rate) dance music and dance floor. i have seen a couple of foreigners let loose in heart which is pretty stupid. they seem off their faces probably on amphetamine, having a wild time, looking like prats, and bumping into people. it is not the place to do that. i say this to one idiot, who has already been threatened by a beefy american after knocking into his drinks. i say it’s not the place to go mental. people can die here. he asks me if i want trouble, giving me a punch. it bounces off. i touch the bouncer’s arm and suggest that the pratt wants to go home. he’s ejected before he can get himself into serious bother. heart has some gorgeous women. check out, i’d advise personally, who you are competing with or if they are spoken for before making a move or accepting too much flirting from them. the standard of pool in heart is generally top notch.
if you carry on up street 51 past heart and take the next right you reach a street that runs parallel called street 49. turn left up street 49 for 2 blocks and you come to cyrcee club on the left (6pm to 2am). gorgeous women. make sure they are old enough (take your beer goggles off to check!) you can sit at the bar and get your dick played with by a couple of women for an hour or two. buy them the occasional (quite cheap, standard price $3) lady-drink or tip them if they get you off for instance. rooms on the premises as long as they trust you. if you take one home, you can avoid the barfine ($7 overnight) if you get her back within the hour. between heart and cyrcee are many knock-shops but they speak zero english so check your sign language or basic khmer is up-to-speed. if you don’t see them, ask a moto to ‘show’ you – then go back on your own to get a better price. some of these looked bonded, which is not to my taste. some are just a bit ugly. but the options are there.
you can walk to the sisowath bars from cyrcee but at that time of night you might as well pay $1 for a moto. from cyrcee, continue a few yards further north (left out of cyrcee) to the main road, street 130. turn right and you soon get to sharky’s. this is a large upstairs bar. it was far too americanised for my taste, and i didn’t find the talent that good, but a lot of people probably find it a good bar to just hang out. if you’re going further to martini’s, the moto will probably charge you $2 at this time of night. personally i didn’t find martini’s worth the effort. nice layout, some nice girls, but not worth going all the way up to street 95. however, it has a well-established reputation so probably worth checking out and making up your own mind. half way from 130 to 95 is the pickled parrot (street 104). another well-established place, 24hrs and with rooms on the premises but still my least favourite bar. it's as if it wants to pretend its not in cambodia. i also found the area rather unattractive and past its best.
there’s also a row of illegal brothels along the quay just south of the japanese friendship bridge, much like the ones between heart and cyrcee only more blatantly obvious. they’re open during the day.
[b]food[/b]
if you’re near sisowath you can be spoilt for choice. around walkabout, i would recommend:
family soup restaurant – one block south. a big restaurant with two floors. the choices are barbecue and hot pot, both a true cambodian eating experience. you add the ingredients yourself at the table. (i found one english-speaking staff who was a help in choosing items.) junction of street 51 and street 184. you can also find a mini-market down this way for your 7/11 type needs.
suzume japanese kitchen and pub. a bit further down (near the junction of street 51 and street 254). friendly and authentic japanese food at very reasonable prices. there’s a walled cafe opposite called elsewhere that offers hammocks to relax in.
pyongyang restaurant. 400 monivong boulevard. (special enough to justify the moto ride away). awesome north korean eating experience with north korean arts show (song, dance, music) included. show starts about 8pm. menu can be a little intimidating but the food was outstanding.
on the other hand, if you just want average food more or less like it is back home, the likes of shanghai’s and sharky’s should keep most folk happy. or for an upmarket breakfast, go to the hotel just before monivong.
other quick cambodia overviews: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791957&postcount=33[/url]
Compared to the rooms I saw at Flamingos ($25) and some of the rooms at Walkabout (about $14), rooms at these two guest houses (both $15) were much, much nicer.
(Walkabout does have some nicer rooms though as I found out later).
first, let me thank all of the guys here (again) whose excellent posts and pms made me less of a stranger to phnom penh than would otherwise have been the case.
i arrived on saturday night, exhausted from an enervating but enjoyable threesome the night before in manila (as described in the dragon slayer's forum), and the flights from manila to singapore and from singapore to phnom penh; so exhausted that i knew i could never last the duration of a true pub crawl. one of the true disadvantages of old age is that you just take a much longer time to recover.
i had a driver of a friend of mine meet me at the airport, so no hassle there, and i got through the visa purchase/passport control/baggage and customs formalities in about 10 minutes, which was a truly pleasant surprise. as was the airport, which is clean and reasonably efficient. the driver was waiting just outside with a sign with my name on it, so i was out of the airport and in the car within 20 minutes or so of landing.
following the recommendation of several people who had posted herein, i had booked a room for two nights at the riverside. for me, this was a mistake as i'm too old, too crotchety and have become too much of a lover of comfort to tolerate the dim stairwells, seedy looking rooms and the low end tourists frequenting the place. i'm not trying to start a flame war here. this hotel would have been fine for me when i was younger and life was an adventure. it just no longer is, and i knew i would never last two nights.
i did stay there the first night, and other than the above, have no complaints. the staff were courteous. the room, though shabby, was clean. about an hour after my 6:30 arrival at the hotel, i negotiated a 3 hour price with a tuk-tuk driver and headed to the walkabout since i knew, from having read this board, that it was too early to try most of the other places. walkabout, like the riverside, was just not for me, and i knew i would not hang around there long. i did meet and chat with a truly gorgeous woman, but she was not that friendly. when i asked her if the guy with whom she was chatting when i walked in was a boyfriend, she said: "no, just a customer, but he would not pay me $20 for short time so i told him i would not go with him." when i asked for her definition of short time, she told me one hour. again, from reading this board, i know that it's a ridiculous price, but i was curious and asked her how much for long time overnight? she immediately responded $50. i laughed, and got into a conversation with a french guy standing at the bar.
as an aside, i should add that after only about 36 hours in country, it's been a real advantage to me to speak french. most of the guys i have met, and there have been several so far, have been french, many are long-term residents, several own restaurants, and i've gotten some good advice from them.
at about 8:30, i clambered aboard my tuk-tuk again and headed to martinis. it was exactly as described and though i knew i was early, there were several ladies rep001tered around. in fact, i recognized one of the vietnamese ladies from a picture posted by one of the guys here. she was extremely friendly but i was not ready and headed for the outdoor bar, stopping by the food bar on the way to order a bruschetta with chicken, as i realized i had not eaten for hours.
the food was delivered to the bar and was not at all bad, and neither were the two ice cold coronas i drank while getting acclimated. as i was sitting there, fighting sleep and wondering whether to call it a night and get some rest, i noticed an adorable little spinner passing below the bar, and we smiled at each other. she came up, gave me a hug, started chatting and i figured this was as good as it was going to get given my somnolent state. she was truly beautiful: slim, nice-sized boobs, no baby, great face, and from seam reap. negotiated a long-time price of $25, which i know is about $5 over the top, but i didn't care. i was just too tired.
back at the hotel, things unfolded as expected. she was lovely, if a bit mechanical, moaning and groaning in all the right places and the service, if not intense, was satisfactory. however, by the end of it all, i was beyond tired and she wanted to watch tv as she wasn't tired at all, so i gently tossed her out, after paying the agreed up price. the truncated meeting was not her fault at all and she was perfectly willing to honor the deal. i'm the one whose mind was changed so i didn't feel ripped off.
i then slept for about 12 hours, stopped by one of the innumerable french cafes for crepes (excellent) and cappucino (also excellent) and made my way down to the hotel bougainvillier, on the same street and facing the river as well.
this hotel had been recommended strongly by giotto of the thailand/giotto forum and, as i know him to be a man of excellent tastes, i was ready to take his recommendation. it's a truly lovely hotel. french-owned with all the amenities including in-room internet and granted, it's three times the price of the riverside, but to me, it's worth it. the suites are all on the river and all have small balconies with chairs, and i will stay here for the rest of my time in phnom penh. plasma tvs on the wall, in-room safes, new furnishings, and in the middle of dozens of small, french restaurants. my kind of neighborhood. there are also dozens of bars on the street and around the various corners.
tonight, i was determined to hit sharkey's and perhaps le cyrcee, but wanted to check out a bar called the golden vine on street 104 beforehand. i had read a post by someone who swore that this bar, at least when he was there, had the best looking girls in town.
so, about 9:15 i hired another tuk-tuk and we found the place easily. it's impressive, and there were about 15 girls, which was a little crowded for such a small place. to make a long story short, i wound up at an outside table talking to a french guy who has been here numerous times but doesn't live here, and while talking to him, spotted another lovely little khmer girl. i wound up sitting around talking to this guy till 11 or so, and eating at le marmite restaurant next door, taking the little khmer girl with me. this one, who is now sleeping in my bed as a write this, turned out to be fantastic in all respects and well worth the $5 bar fine.
the bar is run by a no nonsense vietnamese lady, who speaks good english, no french, and is fun to talk to. many of the girls are stunners, and i have no idea if they're the best looking in town, but if you go there, i doubt you will be disappointed.
so far, having found a great hotel, i'm having a great time. the food so far has been excellent. the french wine is abundant, as are the ladies. tomorrow, it's sharkey's for sure, and then le cyrcee. after that. who knows?
ge
Couple of good reports there chaps, can't understand why chris didn't like 104 street. Piclked parrot is good for food and sports, better than the gym bar with mr grumpy running it.
Rose bar in 104 has excellent food and nice girls, nightowl is open all hours and has the best lineup in PP, with some lovely virgins.
Bunny bar in 104 has really nice girls and no barang, and not forgetting chang bar with about a dozen filipinos.
Not for most of us here, a bit on the big side but nice faces and that Us accent grates a bit.
Midway bars on 108 on the corner of 51 inc golden vine always worth a look. Just to be pedantic chris, martini is south of the action off monivong near st 360 in toul sleng.
Lots of gems in the bars, they are all worth a look but for guaranteed satisfaction go to LCC or tahiti eden, no prima donnas there.
Walkabou always interesting, especially for breakfast, PP residents often ST there on the way to work.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Chirstopherd does not read properly, I live here and have up to date info always. Mikado closed more than 6 months ago, everyone in PP knows why, I said that eden had EX girls from various places.[/QUOTE]Well excuse me for opening my mouth and taking the time to try to write helpful reports. I didn't find your one-liner very clear. Perhaps not everyone on the board lives in PP. At least most people try to be polite, but as you are the expert I am more than happy to leave it to you to write the lot. I spend quite a bit of time taking notes while travelling, as well as contributing, but there are other boards on ISG that maybe welcome contributions more.
I enjoyed Good Enough's report - cheers, mate!
Chill out bro.
No one needs to flame anyone here, I just corrected you. I did congratulate you on a good report apart from the geography but this info helps everyone.
GGC is the place for all the best stuff but I do what I can to keep people on track. What PP locals are good at is having such a good time that petty disputes are rare.
Keep on trucking chris.
I'm getting somewhat acclimated now, both geographically and psychologically, and really enjoying the city, which is so much different in most respects than anyplace in the Philippines. For me, as an avid Francophile, the availability of French food and wine is enough to make me want to return.
I was having a beer yesterday afternoon at one of the smaller cafes on the Quay, and shooting the breeze with an Aussie of about my age. He introduced me to one of the ladies who works as a waitress in the cafe, but was off that day, and I offered her a drink. She and her sister sat at the table and had cokes, and I made a date to see her for lunch today. Very pretty 23 year old and I doubt seriously that anything's going to happen, but nothing ventured nothing gained, so we'll see.
I decided last night to continue with my bar exploration, and decided to begin a Sharkey's since it's one of the better known large FL bars that's always mentioned by guys who post here. The place reminded me more than a little of LA Cafe in Manila, except that it's smaller, cleaner, and plays better music. I got there about 10 and there were very few people: more men than women, and most of the women who were there were not terribly fetching. I did wind up talking to a very pretty girl in her mid-twenties, and I might have considered her, but she kept dividing her time between her sister, who actually worked behind the bar, and me, and eventually I just got pissed off and stopped talking to her after buying her a beer. I did not however, stop talking to her before she had introduced me to her even better looking friend who again, I would have considered grabbing, but the friend explained that she had a baby at home and would only go for short time. Not interested.
I then meandered over to DV8 which is around the corner from my hotel. It's a nice place, with about 25 ladies, but none of them really appealed to me, though they were friendly and aggressive. As I was already on a hostess bar roll, I decided to check out Le Cyrcee next, and was totally turned off by the mob of women surrounding me as soon as I walked in the place. Since they would not let me alone--I was the only customer in the place--and since I do not like being pressured, I had but one drink and left. I will not be back there.
The next port of call was Martinis, which again was surprisingly sparsely populated though there were several tables of Khmers and Vietnamese women. I spoke with several but no light bulbs went off in my head. Chatted with one extremely attractive local lady, but all she really wanted to talk about was money, which was a total turn off for me, so that conversation did not last long. I did meet a very colorful Swiss - French guy who told me that he had run a string of women with his 18-year old Brazilian wife in Geneva. Even if the story was total crap, which it probably was, it was an interesting way to pass thirty minutes or so. I think half the fascination with this lifestyle is the colorful characters we meet along the way.
By the time I left Martinis I figured that maybe I should check out Sharkey's again to see if more people had come. They had, but most of them were men. I did see and chat briefly with a cute young thing whose picture had been posted on this board a couple of months ago by someone else. She however, told me she never does long time for less than $40 and since this was not going to happen with me, the conversation was relatively short-lived, though pleasant enough.
By this time I was pretty tired, but not willing to give up, so I went back to the Golden Vine on 108. Same mamasan, same line up of very attractive ladies and the same lack of any pressure to do anything. I met the same French guy there whom I had met the previous night and again, we wound up sharing the single outdoor table. He was still with the lady he had taken from the bar the night I met him and told me that if he did any more screwing he was going to start to have serious concerns about his heart. I wound up taking the same adorable lady that I had seen the night before and the four of us shared a tuk-tuk back to the hotel, as his hotel is right next door. My lady was so delighted that I had come back that she raised her performance several notches.
I like this city. I like it's colonial French atmosphere, the friendliness of the people, the easy availability of great food and decent wine. It does seem to me however, that the whole P4P industry is more avidly commercial here than it is in the Philippines. The whole "willing suspension of disbelief" that allows you to pretend, at least for 12 hours or so, that the girl is with you because she really likes you--which is so prevalent in the Philippines--is more difficult to find here. My conclusion, after three days is that while this place is more culturally engaging, and more gastronomically appealing, as a mongering destination, the Philippines wins hands down.
GE
PP certainly has excellent restauarants,if you want filipinos try chang in st 104.LCC is as a favourite of most people I know,less so now that it is indiscreet.
Most girls used to be sans panties but the other day they all had shorts,damn.
A mate of mine disliked it because he said that the girls were like cats,always liked cats.
The beauty of LCC is that the girls will always give you exactly what you want,no dillitentes like bar girls and freelancers.
I went with a newly-found French friend tonight to check out the bars on 136. He's a frequent visitor and he seemed to be well known at all of them, and, to my inexperienced eye, they're pretty much all the same. We tried Grand Palm, Bar 136, 69, Candy, Flora (at least I think that was the name) and two or three others on that strip. All seemed to have 20-25 girls who mobbed us on entry, but didn't pressure us at all to buy any drinks, except for ourselves. All had some good looking and some so-so ladies, and, with the notable exception that I'll describe below, all seemed willing to go out with us. In fact, in at least 3 or 4 of the places, the girls just asked me if I wanted to go with them. I declined in all cases cause I just didn't feel that magic spark, or maybe because I'm so sated from the last four nights (counting Manila) that I just didn't care. Whatever the case, no one appealed to me, but that's not to disparage the bars. They were good fun. Everyone was extremely friendly, and the street is an excellent place to kill an evening. However, these places reminded me of nothing so much as the Burgos St. bars in the Philippines, aside from the lack of dancers.
It had been three years or so since my friend had been to Sharkey's and we were feeling slightly hungry so we decided to go on a $1 tuk-tuk ride. The bar probably had more girls than last night, though it sure wasn't back at 10:30 o'clock. I saw a couple of ladies with whom I had chatted the night before, and they immediately homed in, but again, I wasn't in the mood and they blew out as fast as they had blown in. We also spoke for about 15 minutes to two adorable sisters, and they were certainly available, but seemed pretty indifferent to the whole thing, and I immediately figured that both would turn out to be starfish, so they walked away eventually as well.
Having decided that this would be a sleep alone evening, I was walking back toward the hotel when I saw the adorable waitress with whom I was supposed to have had lunch this afternoon. She told me her cell phone had been taken and she had no way of contacting me. Where have I heard that story before?
All in all, an enjoyable but ultimately profitless evening. Tomorrow I think it's time for Rose Bar and all the others on 104.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I went with a newly-found French friend tonight to check out the bars on 136. He's a frequent visitor and he seemed to be well known at all of them, and, to my inexperienced eye, they're pretty much all the same. We tried Grand Palm, Bar 136, 69, Candy, Flora (at least I think that was the name) and two or three others on that strip. All seemed to have 20-25 girls who mobbed us on entry, but didn't pressure us at all to buy any drinks, except for ourselves. All had some good looking and some so-so ladies, and, with the notable exception that I'll describe below, all seemed willing to go out with us. In fact, in at least 3 or 4 of the places, the girls just asked me if I wanted to go with them. I declined in all cases cause I just didn't feel that magic spark, or maybe because I'm so sated from the last four nights (counting Manila) that I just didn't care. Whatever the case, no one appealed to me, but that's not to disparage the bars. They were good fun. Everyone was extremely friendly, and the street is an excellent place to kill an evening. However, these places reminded me of nothing so much as the Burgos St. bars in the Philippines, aside from the lack of dancers.
It had been three years or so since my friend had been to Sharkey's and we were feeling slightly hungry so we decided to go on a $1 tuk-tuk ride. The bar probably had more girls than last night, though it sure wasn't back at 10:30 o'clock. I saw a couple of ladies with whom I had chatted the night before, and they immediately homed in, but again, I wasn't in the mood and they blew out as fast as they had blown in. We also spoke for about 15 minutes to two adorable sisters, and they were certainly available, but seemed pretty indifferent to the whole thing, and I immediately figured that both would turn out to be starfish, so they walked away eventually as well.
Having decided that this would be a sleep alone evening, I was walking back toward the hotel when I saw the adorable waitress with whom I was supposed to have had lunch this afternoon. She told me her cell phone had been taken and she had no way of contacting me. Where have I heard that story before?
All in all, an enjoyable but ultimately profitless evening. Tomorrow I think it's time for Rose Bar and all the others on 104.
GE[/QUOTE]Very good reports, its like being there, Do you have the pix or name of the ladies you took from Golden Vine
The lady from the Golden Vine called herself Lisa. About 5' nothing and truly beautiful, but sorry, I do not do pictures. There are four or five stunners, at least from my point of view at that bar, and the lady who owns it is a real trip. Honest, funny, and tolerates no bullshit from the girls, haranguing them about service to the customers. The French guy to whom I referred in my earlier post kept his lady for 48 straight hours and told me he had never screwed so much in his life. He's my age and, even fueled by pharmacalogical assistance, was totally wiped out after two days. The morning after the first night I spent with Lisa I took her to breakfast and then to the Central Market, where she helped me pick out something. I bought her an inexpensive pendant as well. She was just a lot of fun to hang out with.
Over breakfast at the hotel this morning I got to talking with another French guy who has lived here for years and who obviously has money. He said that every afternoon, around 4 PM, loads of girls from the countryside stroll along near the river on the riverside. He also said it's very easy to get lucky if one happens to stroll at the same time. I think I'll give it a try, but I'm committed to seeing Rose Bar and the adjacent bars tonight. Getting there by tuk-tuk should take less than 10 minutes from my hotel.
GE
Yesterday was a Buddhist holiday here, and many of the girls returned to their provinces for the day, so the selection was probably more sparse than usual. Time is getting short however, and there's little of it to waste, so I decided to head out to the vaunted Rose Bar and all of the similar establishments along the length of Street 104. This was a bad decision, and all in all, I would have been better off staying in my hotel room and reading a book. However, hindsight is always 20/20.
I found the street with no problem. It's a very short street, only a couple of blocks long, and I'm pretty sure I at least stuck my head into every bar, all of which are pretty much the same and all of which are similar to those on 108.
Rose Bar had only about 10 girls, one of whom was really appealing to me, and we we chatted for quite a while over a drink that I had bought her. Like so many of the girls I seem to meet here (don't know if this is just me or if it's a common experience) she told me she liked being "yummed" very much but did not like giving "yumyum." Well, thanks for sharing, but the night was young, and I was determined to find someone who admitted to actually liking the act, so I headed out to the others.
It was the same story in most of the places I visited. The quality of the girls was mixed, but each place had one or two who appealed to me, all of whom responded to the "yumyum" question identically to the girl from Rose Bar. There must be a national blow job reluctance gene here, or perhaps it's a cultural thing. I almost took a girl from a new bar, I forget the name but it's next to Shang, owned by a British guy, but she was so coy about when she would come, how long she would stay, what she would do, etc. that I said the hell with it and left. She did insist on giving me her number for some reason, but I doubt if I'll use it.
All in all I guess I spent about 2 hours on the street doing the mini bar tour. Each bar had, on average, maybe 10 girls, all of whom screeched as soon as a foreigner entered, and all of whom--trained doubtlessly by the same coach--shouted "handsome man." Maybe they were all auditioning for the same show. I found the entire thing more or less comical and not at all appealing. Sort of like the bars on Burgos street without the bikinis.
I was somewhat excited to visit Shang because I knew from some of the other posters here that it had some Filipinas. Well, that's true, but these are ladies who must have come here because they couldn't qualify for the bars in Manila or elsewhere in the country. I couldn't believe it. Out of a country of 40 million women, this is the best that the bar owner could do? A total waste of time for me and for anyone who has ever traveled to the Philippines and seen what's on offer there. I stayed in the bar for all of about 30 seconds.
Since I had become disillusioned with the bars on the street, I decided to check out DV8 which is just around the corner from my hotel. It's an attractive place, with maybe 20 girls or at least that's the number who were there last night. I latched on immediately to Ana, who is 21 and extremely cute and friendly, and decide that I'll take her for the evening, so we have a drink, I pay the $5.50 bar fine and off we go.
I will not regale the readers with what a total waste of time this was, but it was sort of like being in a room with a beautiful girl who has finally decided she might want to have sex, but isn't sure either how to go about and not really sure she wants to do it. Probably the worst, most pathetic performance of my life, and I finally push her off of me and go to sleep without saying another word to her the entire time she was in my room. It was more or less like trying to make love to an unresponsive piece of dead meat. I would have been better off just taking some money and throwing it down the toilet, thus saving myself the hassle of having to go out. I don't think DV8 and I will be seeing each other any time soon again.
So far, the only decent sex this trip has been the girl from Golden Vine and I may go back there this evening just out of pure frustration. First though, I want to check out these girls from the country that I heard about yesterday.
Everyday reconfirms the impression I shared in a prior post. This is a great town in which to relax. The food is wonderful and the people friendly. It's laid back in a way that Manila could never be and Bangkok once was but no longer is. However, from the perspective of our mutual hobby, though opportunities abound, they are at best mediocre or that's true at least for those that I've found. I don't do girls off the street anywhere so I cannot say if this holds true for the taxi girls to whom others have referred. From our shared perspective, this is the lowest overall quality of service that I've seen in any SE Asian country that I've visited, and I've visited most of them, perhaps all. The approach is overtly commercial, the sex a best fairly mechanical and uninspired and all in all, just not exciting.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]First though, I want to check out these girls from the country that I heard about yesterday.
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The ones you said walk along the river?
Have you gone to Martini yet? That was always the most happening place I'd seen in PP. There are plenty so-so girls there, but with SO many there on any night, you're bound to spot one that's right for you. There are also the karaokes that offer takeout -- one is at the hotel that has Casa Disco, it's upstairs. There's others like this around town, have to dig a bit in the forum to get details. But that one had about 50 girls sitting waiting to be selected last time I stopped by, which is pretty standard for these kinds of places. They're Vietnamese. VN tend to be better at customer service than the Khmer girls. Not sure which ones you're getting. When in PP, I never bother with those 104 St bars, or others up there. For me it's always Martini plus exploring any new spots I've heard about. Small bars with just a few girls who may or may not be willing to go, for me, is a waste of precious time.
Thanks. I took one out of Martinis my first night here. The experience was okay, but nothing to get wound up about. I went back a couple of nights ago though it was pretty early (around 10) and just couldn't get excited by anyone I saw, whether Vietnamese or Khmer.
There seems to be somewhat of a disagreement about Vietnamese/Khmer girls. Some guys on this board think that the Vietnamese are by far the more greedy and commercial, while others, like Wendella, feel that they give the best service. I'm not sure which I agree with since I've not sampled the Vietnamese take out yet from here, though I did live in Hanoi for a while and had ample experience there.
I might wait until a bit later tonight and then hit Martinis. The karaoke stuff is not really my scene, here or in the Philippines.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]
There seems to be somewhat of a disagreement about Vietnamese/Khmer girls. Some guys on this board think that the Vietnamese are by far the more greedy and commercial, while others, like Wendella, feel that they give the best service. I'm not sure which I agree with since I've not sampled the Vietnamese take out yet from here, though I did live in Hanoi for a while and had ample experience there.[/QUOTE]
I think the VNs have a stereotype which is only partly deserved as I personally don't feel it makes sense to categorise a whole race. On the whole I find them more clinical, more money-orientated, and less instinctively trustworthy than the Khmer girls. But contrary to type, one of the best punts I had in PP was with a VN girl, who wasn't any of those things. In contrast, I had a VN girl maybe the 2nd night I was there who wouldn't stop talking during sex, and all of it about upgrades and so on, not sweet talk. I just put a hand up and asked her pointedly if she was Khmer or VN (as I think she knew Khmer girls rarely if ever act like this). It shut her up, thankfuly.
[QUOTE=Wendella]VN tend to be better at customer service than the Khmer girls. Not sure which ones you're getting. When in PP, I never bother with those 104 St bars, or others up there. For me it's always Martini plus exploring any new spots I've heard about. Small bars with just a few girls who may or may not be willing to go, for me, is a waste of precious time.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. My last trip I only took 2 Khmer girls back. The first was pretty good, but when I asked the other one for a blowjob, she just looked at me and said "But I'm Cambodian!" I rarely RARELY take Khmer girls out anymore unless I'm confident in their service skills. This includes a lot of questions to the girl, and just a general chemistry we have with each other inside the bar. I never have to worry about any of this bullshit when taking a VN girl.
Goodenough -- don't bother with those little bars. They suck, and not in a good way. Many girls just want you to buy them drinks all night, and they are very VERY coy about everything. I once took a girl out of Rose for longtime and when we got back to my hotel she said that she had to leave at 4 am to visit her sister. Kicked her out immediately. There are cuties in those bars but it's hit and miss with service, and many of the girls are just too lazy to be barfined and do actual work.
Stick to the places where you don't have to deal with the nonsense - Martini's, Sharkey's, and Heart of Darkness. The latter two don't really get happening until around 11 pm. Hell, I've pulled hotties out of Heart at 3 am. You can go in, talk to the girl for a while, and go back to your hotel if you want. No worries. Hell, even Walkabout has a few cuties (VN) upstairs. PP is a good place for mongering. On my first visit I absolutely hated it, but I've been four times now, and I've learned to love it.
The blow job thing is cultural all right, the khmer are very conservative. Things willl change slowly but this is a country where most marriages are still arranged.
If a girl is no longer a virgin, or has a child out of wedlock or has even been divorced then she is a srey koich.
A broken woman or taxi girl.
Of course there is an incredible double standard because all the men play up and if they have money they have multiple wives.
The viets on the other hand seem to have a tradition of blow jobs, people will tell you that they have practiced since childhood with brother, uncle, father whoever-I do belive this is true, however uncomfortable it may make one.
Western type age of consent laws are fairly recent even in our countries, they don't apply here to locals.
As for bad service by khmers, well I don't think the level of service is worse than any other country really. Those who live here have no complaints but we do have much better radar and we do go to places like eden and LCC, why others dislike aggressive service providers beats me.
The golden boss has some lovely girls, further along the riverside from 102 and the casa club near what phnom has seriuosly baeutiful girls including many viets. The casa disco doesn't really get going until midnight but it is a great venue, the boss kicks off earleir.
The rock nightclub on moniving, not far from martinis has a very good karaoke section with tons of girls and if one can speak khmer then the karaokes have many very willing gems. The X2 chain seems very popular and karaoke girls don't have the BJ problem I am told.
If one lives in PP and speaks khmer then every woman is available really, the choice is endless.
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last night i decided that i would check along the river for these "country girls" about whom i had heard from others, and assuming that would not work out, would head to martinis and then, if that failed, back to golden vine to grab the cuties i had taken before.
i went for an hour's stroll along the river to the quai and though there were several adorable females sitting and chatting along the wall, i got no particular encouragement from any of them; a few tentative smiles perhaps, but no eye contact and no tacit signal that these girls were looking for anything but a little quiet time along the river. i did get asked by one of the motorcycle taxi guys there if i wanted a girl, but didn't pursue it. i think i will check out these scene again this evening just in case i went there on an off night, but i don't think there's any joy to be had.
yesterday, while having lunch, there were two very pretty girls who walked into the restaurant shortly after i sat down. i was at an outside table and they selected the table adjacent to mine. i started to talk to them on some pretext or other and they both came to join me at my invitation. one was a university student and the other slightly older, and had finished her studies. i was more or less working on the older girl and we were getting along fine, when suddenly she glanced at her watch, said something to her friend and then turned to me and said: "i have to go inside the restaurant. my fiance will be passing here in a few minutes and i don't want him to see me at the table with you." then she told me that though she was "taken" her friend was not. i decided not to pursue it any further. it had not cost me anything but a few minutes of my time and i enjoyed the conversation. it did however raise the issue for me of how easy it might be to find "normal" women if i had more time. i don't think, at least based on that encounter, that it would be very difficult.
i got to martinis a bit early again, mainly because i was bored and wanted to hang out in a different neighborhood. at 9 o'clock there were a dozen or more ladies rep001tered around, and i got approached by several, including a mamasan, but declined all invitations and decided to sit at the bar, drink a beer and watch the movie sporadically.
by 10, a steady stream of new girls had started to arrive and there were several who caught my eye. one khmer girl in a red dress was especially appealing and i watched as she went into the disco. i followed her in, partially because i had not gone there before and partially to see who else might be lurking on the dance floor. the disco is small, dark, and not very appealing, and my nostrils were immediately assailed by the unmistakable odor of grass, which surprised me slightly. the red dress girl was dancing, but i approached her and asked if she would have a drink with me. she said she would meet me outside in ten minutes.
i left, sat again in the bar area, and noticed three very pretty women by the pool table. true to her word, ms. red dress came out about ten minutes latter and she was indeed lovely. twenty years old and a student. but there was simply no chemistry, and she was more interested in dancing, so i sent her back inside and started to talk to one of the three lovelies by the pool table. one, named linda, was simply gorgeous. a khmer, nineteen years old. again though, while she was friendly and obviously ready to boogie, the chemistry just wasn't there, and i figured that if i took her she would want to leave immediately afterwards to rejoin her friends.
it was shortly afterward that i noticed diana, a beautiful, short khmer girl. we started talking and i decided this time, i was not going to leave much to chance. over a drink, during which she was touching me constantly, i asked her about khmer girls and "yum-yum." she told me that some liked it and some did not, but that she "really liked it." that was all it took. we left about 11. she was extremely cute, bubbly, and just fun to be around and i was starving, so i took her out for a late dinner before heading back to the room.
the subsequent performance(s) were, if not outstanding, certainly high grade. true to her word, the oral sex was enthusiastic, lengthy and unprompted. when i switched to daty, she went wild and that's when it all started to get intense and fun. all in all, an excellent, inexpensive evening; one that i think i will repeat tonight. i have her cell phone number, and she's more than willing to return. on the other hand, i think i've about figured out martinis and how to work it, so i might just go fishing there again.
ge
[QUOTE=Phil Istine] Those who live here have no complaints but we do have much better radar and we do go to places like eden and LCC, why others dislike aggressive service providers beats me.
The golden boss has some lovely girls, further along the riverside from 102 and the casa club near what phnom has seriuosly baeutiful girls including many viets. The casa disco doesn't really get going until midnight but it is a great venue, the boss kicks off earleir.
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Thanks Phil. Of course, as indicated, I don't live here and speak no Khmer, so my options are much more limited than yours. I've seen several references to LCC. Can you please explain what it is and how to find it? Regarding the Golden Boss, can you provide a little information on this as well? Is it a bar. A karaoke-type place? Will any tuk-tuk driver be able to find it.
Thanks for the information. It's appreciated greatly.
GE
There is a huge difference between Vietnamese girls in Phnom Penh and ones in Hanoi. They may as well be from different countries. Aside from cultural differences, and there are already drastic differences between the north and south of Vietnam (where all these girls who are in PP come from) -- there is also the way they're trafficked -- the vast majority come from poor parts of the Mekong Delta region, and many if not most (if not nearly all) go through a kind of pipeline. Keep in mind, they're going to Cambodia for the express purpose of working in the sex trade. So where ever they end up, they get trained. That's how they end up with their blow-job skills.
So they actually tend to be 'better performing' because they've been trained to be, and also more hardcore/cutthroat/businesslike/etc. because there's no gray lines for them -- this is purely business for them. No illusions. They didn't come to Cambodia looking for a foreign husband. They came to make money. I think if the Khmer girls had to come illegally into the country and were at the mercy of a system that was intent on turning them into 'good performers' then they'd be as good as the Vietnamese at what they do.
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You guys are causing me to re-think tonight's program. I think I'll try instead to visit LCC, if I can find it, the Golden Boss, if I can find it, and perhaps Tahiti Eden, since I know where to find that. Might also try Casa Disco if my aging body can stay awake long enough without falling apart. Somewhere in there, I need to work in a visit to the Heart of Darkness since it's the only place I meant to go that I haven't yet been.
Just had an offer from an adorable little waitress to be my Khmer teacher. When I told her I would only take lessons if we could live together for a while, she asked me immediately how much I would pay her to live with me. I admire these ladies for always wanting to know the commercial implications first. I told her we would have to negotiate. When I left she called me "Darling." Must be because of my youthful good looks.
GE
LCC is le cyrcee,an acronym i invented as an alternative to the FCC.
The golden boss is north along the river a few hundred meters from st 102,motos will know.
It just a disco I think,casa is close by near wat phnom where there is a karaoke and casino as well.
Since I have an early flight tomorrow back to the Philippines through Singapore, and since I'm too old for all nighters anymore, last night I decided, would be my last out on the town.
I started out at what has now become the familiar Sharkey's about 9, not with any great expectations of meeting someone, but because it's a decent place to listen to music, and I wanted Tex-Mex food. Unsurprisingly, I guess, I met another expat, who has lived here for five years or so, and was more than willing to share his perspectives on the city. He was an interesting guy, who often travels on his motorcycle to the provinces, and who seems content with his life here. His warnings to me sounded pretty much identical to those I give to newbies in the Philippines--cautions about not taking anything with the ladies seriously since in the end it's all about the money. We passed a pleasant hour or so comparing notes between the two countries and aside from the languages, from an expat point of view, the differences appeared few.
About thirty minutes into this conversation, I saw what had to be one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen -- About 5'7", dressed in very short shorts, with legs that wouldn't quit and a rack that was beautifully accentuated by the tight shirt she was wearing. I smiled, she smiled, came over, and had a soda. We spent a little while talking intermittently, and while she was truly gorgeous, little alarm bells were going off in what's left of my brain, warning me that she would probably look at sex pretty much as a spectator sport. Though my new expat friend said that he might be willing to spend $20 just to see her naked--and I can understand why--I decided to pass, since I've already had the starfish experience here and I didn't want to go through it again, no matter how beautiful the starfish.
After finishing the chicken quesadillas and saying goodbye to my new acquaintance, I decided to head out to Heart of Darkness. I knew it was too early, at 10:30, but I wanted to see the place. It's probably one of the more tasteful boites I've seen here, and it's the only place where I got frisked very thoroughly. The place was pretty much empty, with a one beautiful girl at the bar. However, she was obviously with one of the guys shooting pool, and I remember all of the warnings about the potential for unpleasantness at this bar, so I sat around, had a Corona, and left, thinking perhaps to return later when things got a little more exciting. The bar waitress explained that since it had rained most of the day, people might be late arriving.
Started out for the Golden Boss since the tuk-tuk driver said he knew exactly where it was, but changed my mind at the last second and decided to go to Martinis first. Why, I don't know, since I had taken a girl from there the night before as reported. The place was, while not packed, well populated with Vietnamese and Cambodia ladies, and I was sitting at the bar, thinking about what I was going to do. All of a sudden I became aware of a blur out of the corner of my eye, which turned out to be Diana, of last night's fame, running over and hugging me like we were married and had been unwillingly separated for the last several months.
I was not particularly eager to repeat the experience, though it had been excellent, and started to think of a range of excuses as to why it was not a good night for me. But then, she started fooling with my dick under the bar, stroking my leg, and I started to reconsider, switching brains while doing so from the big to the small. In the end, decided "What the hell" and took her back for the night which was, if anything, more intense and enjoyable than the night before.
I never did make it to LCC, the Golden Boss, Tahiti Eden and some of the others, but I've got no regrets. I had a great time and got to see most of the places I had intended to see. I think I'll come back in six months or so and perhaps pick up where I left off. Next time, now that I know the town slightly, I think I'll rent a motorbike.
Thanks again to all who helped make this a memorable trip.
GE
Damn, I tried to make a last minute suggestion to GoodEnough last night hoping to catch him before he left. It looks like it didn't post. Internet was very funky last night, couldn't connect to many sites from here. Oh well. The suggestion was to not go to Casa DISCO but rather to go upstairs to the karaoke between 8.30-9.30 -- its upstairs from the hotel lobby. As you get to the top of the stairs you see the holding room for all the girls. There'd be way way way more available girls right here in this room around this time than would ever appear all night in the disco downstairs. The karaoke would be very happy to let you just view all the girls in a lineup and pick one, and then you could not even stay in the karaoke but take her directly back to your hotel if you want -- just pay a 'barfine' of $15 or so. And if you went into the karaoke, you could just take a room, order 2 drinks and try to get to know the girl before deciding -- the room cost would be the same $15, and then there'd be no barfine if you decided to take her out. You'd just have to pay for your 2 drinks. And no need to turn on the karaoke if you don't want to. Also you mentioned stopping in at Casa later -- if you went to the karaoke much after 9.30, it'd be diminishing returns -- the best girls get picked earliest, of course, so by late hours you'd be looking at the leftovers.
Oh well, next time.
Thanks Wendella for the thought, but I'm happy enough with the way things worked out. I've basically concluded that there's not a lot of difference among the various hostess bars, and not too much difference, at least in terms of quality, between Sharkey's and Martinis. I'm sure the karaoke places would have been more of same and, as it is, the choice was plenty broad enough for me.
For those who may be contemplating coming here for the first time, and who don't mind spending a bit on a hotel (this is not a put down of those who don't fall within this category) I strongly recommend the place that I've been staying for the past seven nights. Bougainvillier is right on Sisowath Quay, in the midst of lots of cafes and late night bars (DV8 is right around the corner). More importantly, it's just a great hotel. The service is excellent and extremely pleasant and the rooms are spacious, immaculate and attractive. I'm in a small suite which costs $96 a night, double occupancy, with a full breakfast included. Single occupancy for the same suite is $84, but the hotel will charge you the difference if you come back with a lady. Of course she gets breakfast too so it's not a total loss.
I had internet in my room which is allegedly $5 extra per day, but the hotel did not charge me. It worked reasonably well for the duration of my stay but was a bit slow at times.
Having lived for years in Paris, I'm pretty much of a Francophile in all respects, and I guess the fact that the hotel is French owned, and operated in very much of a French/Cambodian-colonial style, attracts me as well. For anyone who may be interested, the phone number is: +855-23-220-528 and the email address is: [email]bougainvillierhotel@bougainvillierhotel.com[/email]. It's worth every cent of the cost. Thanks to Giotto of Thailand fame for recommending the place.
GE
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Having lived for years in Paris, I'm pretty much of a Francophile in all respects, and I guess the fact that the hotel is French owned, and operated in very much of a French/Cambodian-colonial style, attracts me as well. For anyone who may be interested, the phone number is: +855-23-220-528 and the email address is: [email]bougainvillierhotel@bougainvillierhotel.com[/email]. It's worth every cent of the cost. Thanks to Giotto of Thailand fame for recommending the place.
GE[/QUOTE]
I stayed in the Bougainvillier end of last year, and whilst I mostly agree to what you have said (although I left after two nights, building next to Bouganivillier was under construction and the noise from 8am to 5 pm was unbearable) I should add that the Bougainvillier at least at that time was not that girl friendly. They demand an ID, even if it is absolutely clear that the girl is of legal age; and whilst this sounds pretty reasonable most girls at Sharky's and Martini's (especially the Viet ones) doesn't have one.
Other than that it's been quiet, clean and pleasant alright and the staff was sympathetic with my problems about the construction noise.
Folks,
I gotta head back to Phnom Penh soon and I'm up to some new experiences besides the usual known Highlights.
Last time one of the Tuk-Tuk drivers recommended to look for girls in the area around the Monument. That Tuk-Tuk driver spoke barely English and was a rather questionable figure, but after awhile I agreed and he took me to some ragged-down construction near the monument.
My alarm bells went off, but since I was already there I decided to give it a try - I do not carry a wallet or a phone in PNH and less than 50 $ in cash, so what the heck.
I was asked to sit down in some small and really dirty parlour while the Tuk-Tuk driver conversed with two pimps. No girls to be seen.
They then ushered a girl in - late 20, considerable Overweight and pimples. Total turn-off, I politely refused.
After another 10 minutes as I just got ready to go they showed another girl in which wasn't particulary my style but worth a look - about 21 to 24, slightly chubby, but enormously dressed up with Skirt & stockings, hair dyed dark blonde and hardened like a rock with hairspray.
I showed cautious interest and was offered the girl for 60 $.
Of course I declined (the Tuk-Tuk driver drove me the night before and had to know that I know a bit of the city and the going prices) and started to go. The girl was offered again for 35 $ (which is still too much, on a scale from 1 to 6, 1 being the best, she was a 3). I got out and actually expected trouble which then never came.
Driver tried to talk me into it, but I made clear that I want to go to Martini's THAT moment or never, so eventually got going.
Still, on the way I saw a few girls walking in the shades and may have been interested but figured that Imight have stretched my luck already that night.Does anyone know whether there is something worth going for in the Monument area ?
Any explanation for the outrageous price ? Even Viet pimps never tried to charge me more than 25 before.
Grateful for any insight by the locals, LOL. Kennny
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]....... and whilst this sounds pretty reasonable most girls at Sharky's and Martini's (especially the Viet ones) doesn't have one.
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Hi Kenny, while I do not know about 'most girls' I do know that replacement of ID seems to now be an expensive exercise. Someone I know had hers stolen and is being quoted $250 (including all associated bribes in provinces) for replacement. She is not Sharky's or Martini's but it appears that everyone is cashing in on the replacement ID scam (didn't use to be that bad but I guess that's progress). I think there will be more and more girls without IDs moving forward.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers] ... I should add that the Bougainvillier at least at that time was not that girl friendly. They demand an ID, even if it is absolutely clear that the girl is of legal age... [/QUOTE]Whether or not the girl is of legal age, that's your business. But if the hotel checks the identity of the girl and retains her ID until her departure, that's for the security of you and all the other guests. The Cozyna Hotel which is right next to the Bougainvillier and only a third the price will make a call to my room before letting her go, and I appreciate this service. A few years ago I stayed at a popular hotel in the Walkabout / Heart neighborhood where anybody could walk in and out freely. I won't go back for that reason.
[quote=softlover]whether or not the girl is of legal age, that's your business. but if the hotel checks the identity of the girl and retains her id until her departure, that's for the security of you and all the other guests. the cozyna hotel which is right next to the bougainvillier and only a third the price will make a call to my room before letting her go, and i appreciate this service. a few years ago i stayed at a popular hotel in the walkabout / heart neighborhood where anybody could walk in and out freely. i won't go back for that reason.[/quote]
softlover,
i am aware of that and appreciate it - this way the girl can't walk out in the middle of the night with your wallet.
but demanding factual id is something i have only seen in the bouganivillier, except to where there may be doubts whether or not the girl is of legal age.
i actually kind of disagree with you here, the more hoitel staff watches out for obvious **** girls the less this will be a problem. i do enjoy young fresh chicken myself - but of legal age, taking out 12 or 15 year olds seems absolutely inappropriate to me.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]I stayed in the Bougainvillier end of last year. They demand an ID, even if it is absolutely clear that the girl is of legal age.[/QUOTE]
This protects you and the establishment. This practice exists in many countries, and I appreciate it. During my first real trip to Rio, I protested. The manager pulled me aside, and, in English, explained problems prior to the policy. You certainly do not want to be in a position to have to explain to the local authorities or the U.S. Department of Justice because no one checked ID.
I will be in PP next week and I am looking for a hotel.
Last time (2007) I stayed at New York Hotel on Monivong Blvd but would like a change this time!
Does anyone recommend Cozyna Hotel? I see that it is mentioned a few posts ago. The riverside location looks good!
I don’t need 5 star accommodation, just somewhere with a good location, clean with a/c and a reasonable shower!
I have been checking the web but many of the hotels seem to have terrible reviews!
Anyone stayed in Cozyna recently?
I would welcome your comments (or alternative suggestions! )
Thanks,
Hotman
ok, not quite the races. and walkabout isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. but this is a field report of a 24hr stint that included three games of chess and several shags in-between, just to show how convenient it is. i don’t go to a country primarily for the sex. i just like it available – when and where i want it – eg after coffee, before lunch, when i wake up, before i go to sleep, with tlc or with meaningless gymnastics. and so on. for those of similar mind that don’t require top-class hotels, it’s a reasonably good deal. walkabout has a range from ugly-enough-to-put-you-off-your-food to extremely-sweet-and-do-able. and you can always pop in to heart of darkness for a late night easy-upgrade.
i arrive at walkabout at about noon. haul my luggage all the way up the stair to check out the room before paying. a better room than i had been offered (and which i had turned down) before. $14. leave my luggage mostly unpacked and go downstairs for a coke. plus point: they sell it in bottles – the best sort – and only $1 a bottle. but before i get to the bar a girl called esowah approaches me on the stairs, oozing sex. what the heck. she’s 23yrs and pretty enough. pop back into the room for a quickie.
make it downstairs for my coke then nip out to sorea market for provisions and exercise and to see if there is anything worth the time investment. a couple of nice check-out girls that look possibilities but that would eat into my schedule too much. r1000 for a moto with a basket to take my shopping back to save walking in the heat. give esowah an affectionate grind on the way in. unpack essentials and meet ayah on the way out who persuades me back up the stairs for $15 worth. she tries to come but doesn’t quite make it. encourage her to frigg herself. she’s been sweet enough and invite her to help herself from the fridge (which now contains cookies, soft drinks, small treats and other little investments). she’s over the moon. i’m delighted at the response with such little effort (if i were staying longer i’d have flowers in the room and some nice joss burning and maybe some music.) we snuggle and give each other back rubs.
i need some fresh air so tell her i have to go out. someone on the forum has mentioned hun sen park. none of the tuktuk / moto drivers outside have heard of it (or rather they haven’t heard of it as soon as i say no find it, no pay for it). grab a game of chess. this guy ben is a better player than me but i manage to get the better of him. i think my psychological attitude helps – i constantly interrupt my own mental state to change perspective and i reckon it can throw others off balance too. eventually a moto proudly claims he’s found hun sen and we check it out. just the monument area – ok for a leisurely afternoon but i’d rather play chess than spend all afternoon hunting. back to walkabout and sex with a girl called threkone. she gets very settled in, determined to give me a great gfe/lt. i deduce that being a resident is helping me get better value from the girls. it’s less hassle for them, known variables, they’re back at the pool table without any travelling, and their mates have already vouched that i’m not a weirdo ax-murderer. but although it’s very sweet of her, i don’t plan to cuddle up and go to sleep early in the evening. nor do i want to watch khmer-dubbed cartoons with her. or let her patiently help me with my language skills. her skills in bed are adequate, but not enough to keep me interested for long bouts. so out she goes. i invent an excuse about work, just for politeness.
pop out to cyclo for dinner. bad choice. the normally outstanding french restaurant is missing its chef this early in the evening. the dish i get is not the one i order, even though it’s veal, and the meat is not cooked properly. send it back, my mood slightly ruffled. the food here at its best is outstanding and i had looked forward to recommending the place unreservedly. i nip back to walkabout to change. nyum, a girl from the other night, is acting huffy because i gave her more last week than i’ve offered her for a replay. i explain that i was being generous, that she had further to go (i was staying at cyclo) and, when she pushes her bluff, point out that she hadn’t stayed lt as agreed anyway so wasn’t that good value (shame, as she had a nice tight body, but lacking in attitude beyond teh initial attention span).
pleased i’m wearing trousers with big pockets. the walkabout keys don’t detach from the big triangle they’re attached to. i don’t like checking the key in to reception. when i take a girl back, i often like to get her to my room while she’s still playing bunny-in-the-headlights rather than breaking teh mood by waiting at reception. walk round to cyrcee and canoodle with my fave girl there for a few hours, then hang out at heart of darkness till 2.20am. back at walkabout i get pleasantly fondled by a girl as i eat some supper. but my attention is on my book and the fact that i have chosen vegetarian noodles as the least dangerous walkabout food-offering. the hard-on can wait for a better looking woman. grab a few hours sleep. downstairs for a coke. can’t see anything i fancy. then two girls come over, coaxing their friend who seems very shy. she is a delightful young honey, and i get a hard-on as soon as she sits down. i’m a bit wary as i haven’t determined her age yet, but her two friends are manoeuvring her adroitly and i can’t be so rude as not speak to her. she says she’s been eyeing me for two days. (great! girls love it when they feel they’ve ‘got to know you’ – and especially efficient if it’s with no effort on my part!) she really is the best looking woman i’ve seen for a while. at least this 24hrs. i ask how old she is and she says 22. i bear in mind that the doormen don’t let anyone in they think is **** but i want to double check her. i ask for her i.d. non-existent. i call the head barmaid / receptionist over and ask her. she is pleased i’ve asked, and assures me that this particular woman is definitely ok as far as she is concerned.
back in the room i can see young honey is definitely the age she claims. the muscle tone, the wrinkles here and there, as well as a maturity of manner now she’s relaxed. but i’m pleased i made certain for myself before going this far. we undress and her body is perfect except for marks across her shoulders and chest that look like torture marks from some years ago. our bodies blend and we session for about an hour or so. there’s been no mention of money and it is possibly the warmest, most affectionate f*ck i’ve had in cambodia. but i have to get to the airport. i leave it till the last possible minute and try to time it considerately. i squeeze some money into her hand as she leaves – almost to salve my conscience as i’m sure she would happily put it on a tab – i give what she can interpret as the standard fare or my rate plus a small tip. kisses and petting.
if i’ve missed out any details, ben won the next game of chess and i won the tie-breaker. when you get a set from the bar, make sure it’s a staunton one – the local style has bishops, pawns, queens and kings that have too little differentiation. i think pdp was 4-0 but i've been writing this without counting (and i wasn't really trying, plus i wasted a lot of time). not bad though :-)
I will be in PP again shortly and need to book a hotel.
Last time I stayed at New York Hotel on Monevong Bvd but would like a change this time.
I saw Cozyna Hotel mentioned a few posts ago.
The location looks very good and it has quite good reviews on some travel sites, but nothing recent!
I don't need 5 star luxury, just a good location, clean room with A/C, a decent shower and of course a comfortable bed!
Does anyone have any up to date information on Cozyna (or any alternative on the riverside.)
I would appreciate your help.
Hotman.
Does anyone recommend Cozyna Hotel? I see that it is mentioned a few posts ago. The riverside location looks good!
Stayed there many times. Great location if the pile driving has stopped from the construction on the river. For 1/3 the price of the Bougainvillea I think it's a relative bargain. Great service, clean bathrooms, nice staff and of course gf.
GoodEnough I think you mentioned that one night you and your Frenchman pal hooked up with a couple of keepers and he was staying in the hotel next to yours. That would be the Cozyna. Well, take his advice and give it a try unless you just have too much money. I cannot personally understand circumstance but I've heard of it.
BTW GoodEnough. Thanks for the great reports.
No. My French friend was staying in the Amanjaya (sp.) that was about $30 more per night than the Bougainvillier. It was actually two buildings or so up the street from my hotel. I noticed the Cozyna, but did not go in and so cannot comment on the quality or the rates. It is however, a great location, and the Riverside Cafe, to the left as you exit the building and on the corner of the street, offers free WiFi, which works quite well, and is a great place to hang out and sip espresso. DV8 is also right around the corner, and Sharkey's is less than 10 minutes by tuk-tuk from the hotel.
Thanks Stegno, for the kind words about the reports. I'm already planning my next trip there.
GE
Hi guys,
You are both "scholars and gentlemen!"
I appreciate your comments and have now booked Cozyna Hotel. I will be there next week and will report on the hotel (and any interesting diversions) upon my return.
Last time in PP my favourite bar for a few early evening beers and a little R&R was Mikado, which I am told is now closed so I will be looking out for alternatives. I also want to check out the freelancers on the riverside.
Wish me luck and thanks again for the help and advice!
Hotman
The pile driving finished long ago, but the fence still there.
Riverside is shit nowadays.
Try the Cara Hotel near Wat Phnom,
An excellent value at $35 odd.
If your money's short or you enjoy oranges you might like to check out this article from the Phnom Penh Post
[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2008093021895/National-news/Past-Post-The-kites-are-gone-but-the-orange-girls-stay.html[/url]
At 500 riel ($0.13) for a fondle it might prove entertaining but barang would probably struggle to get this price. Has anyone seen if these ladies are well past there prime or still young?
Hawk
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]If your money's short or you enjoy oranges you might like to check out this article from the Phnom Penh Post
[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2008093021895/National-news/Past-Post-The-kites-are-gone-but-the-orange-girls-stay.html[/url]
At 500 riel ($0.13) for a fondle it might prove entertaining but barang would probably struggle to get this price. Has anyone seen if these ladies are well past there prime or still young?
Hawk[/QUOTE]
The ones I've seen looked very pretty and almost respectable. How much 'fondling' is really going to go on outside Monument in full view of throngs of upmarket Khmers, families and tourists is another matter, especially if one's 'small talk' (see article) is limited to a few badly pronounced phrases.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]The ones I've seen looked very pretty and almost respectable. How much 'fondling' is really going to go on outside Monument in full view of throngs of upmarket Khmers, families and tourists is another matter, especially if one's 'small talk' (see article) is limited to a few badly pronounced phrases.[/QUOTE]
Hi C,
I may be getting confused but I'd never really thought about going inside Independence Monument nor have I seen throngs of upmarket khmers around the monument - especially after sunset when things have always seemed dark enough to allow anything to be going on. Good to hear that they are pretty and so may go have a look-see soon.
Hawk
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]Hi C,
I may be getting confused but I'd never really thought about going inside Independence Monument nor have I seen throngs of upmarket khmers around the monument - especially after sunset when things have always seemed dark enough to allow anything to be going on. Good to hear that they are pretty and so may go have a look-see soon.
Hawk[/QUOTE]
I didn't think there was an 'inside' to it. It's the park that's popular*, stretching from the Monument to the quay. I've only been a few times. Varied from heaving busy (holiday) to busy (weekend) to just pleasantly busy. I'm thinking around dusk, not late on at night though. Maybe someone could pop over an' 'ave a look? ;-)
[i]*as the article says, "staking out her patch of grass in the park below."[/i]
I was tired of the bar scene - they're all the same. So I got a moto driver outside Heart of D, and said I want a better selection (of course, in sign language, as I can't speak Khmer). He took me to a dodgy neighborhood, but inside the house complex, the mamasan called the girls, about 12 of them, all 6-9/10. I chose a fine Vietnamese chick (8) for $50. she wasn't that great, but it was a good first time experience at a brothel. The next day I went back to a different brothel (same moto driver, and I'm sure he gets some commission) and chose a Khmer girl (7) for $40, but she was excellent in service, plus BBBJ, which the Viet did not do.
Maybe I paid too much? but it was for better selection. some looked younger than I'm used to, but I didn't choose them.
[QUOTE=Rewsna]I
Maybe I paid too much? .[/QUOTE]Maybe?
Definitely!
Quite sure, you were at a 5-$-place and they are still having a big laugh at you!
You were paying the monthly income ogf a garment-factory-worker!#
O tempora, o mores!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Mikado closed more than 6 months ago, everyone in PP knows why, [/QUOTE]
Why? (I don't live there)
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]can't understand why chris didn't like 104 street. Piclked parrot is good for food and sports, better than the gym bar with mr grumpy running it.
Lots of gems in the bars, they are all worth a look but for guaranteed satisfaction go to LCC or tahiti eden, no prima donnas there.
Walkabou always interesting, especially for breakfast, PP residents often ST there on the way to work.[/QUOTE]
I don't like the 104 bars either. Much prefer the Martini setup of being able to sit somewhere without needing to small talk until I want to, with who I want to. The 104 bars just aren't comfortable for me. Depends a lot on the individual, I think. If you like small talk with lots of people, 104 probly excellent. If you don't like small talk, it's hell.
What is this Tahiti place? Haven't heard of that one. What's the setup? Where is it?
orange girls are young.
mikado short time hotel next door had at least four rooms rigged with hidden cameras and an editing room on the premises.
all girls taken into custody and got the usual [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] and robbing by the police and then had to pay at least 100 dollars to get out.
owner needs 100k to leave custody.
tahiti eden on 118 not far from river, not too much small talk, all girls hardened vets and deliver exactly as promised.
we were talking the other night as to why most tourists follow the well worn sharkey, walkabou, martini trail.
can't really explain why locals prefer hostess bars, perhaps because we know many of the girls, perhaps because we are more like khmers than we choose to admit and hang around with old friends, perhaps we know the owners as mates, we enjoy certain bars for their music selection, perhaps the girls are better looking and more entertaining for us?
as well one can walk around and visit so many different places in an evening and they kick off early, not like martini or the heart.
i can't really explain but certainly most locals rarely go to martini or even sharkey. walkabou is popular for pokerdraw night and pool comp and a cheap lunch. apparently all bars on rue pasteur from alien to shanghai are to be offered market rates for their land and to be out by xmas. this includes the famous hod of course. pp is changing fast.
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Sex is so easy, that small talk is actually refreshing. What's the rush in getting a girl in the sack? I like the 104 bars. Seems a bit more friendly.
Sophies and Mikado closed down because of pressure from the NGO's on the RGC (Royal Gov't of Cambodia). They had rooms on premises for ST and that was the target. That is the reason La Cyrcee does not have ST rooms now. These 3 were the high profile ones coz they catered to barangs' sex vacations' and their activities with ST rooms fell into the new anti-prostitution laws.
[QUOTE=Taloha]They had rooms on premises for ST and that was the target. That is the reason La Cyrcee does not have ST rooms now. These 3 were the high profile ones coz they catered to barangs' sex vacations' and their activities with ST rooms fell into the new anti-prostitution laws.[/QUOTE]
See my posts on Cyrcee. First time I went there were definitely 'no rooms'. But once they recognise you as a regular or whatever it seems they appear (this happened for others as well as myself).
Officially, with the new laws, I guesss no such rooms 'exist'.
Phil Istine!
According to those Viet's girls, locals don't have money unless they well known in order to get in those bars. Any other explanations?
[quote=phil istine]orange girls are young.[/quote]
what time of day are the orange girls plying their wares?
[quote=phil istine]mikado short time hotel next door had at least four rooms rigged with hidden cameras and an editing room on the premises.[/quote]
who set up those cameras? was it a bugging?
[quote=phil istine]all girls taken into custody and got the usual [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] and robbing by the police and then had to pay at least 100 dollars to get out.
owner needs 100k to leave custody.[/quote]
how you know that about the fate of the girls, owner?
[quote=phil istine]we were talking the other night as to why most tourists follow the well worn sharkey, walkabou, martini trail.[/quote]i like martini for the wide selection, and the scene changing throughout the nite -- more come later, and just lots and lots to choose from. small bars can't offer that.
[quote=phil istine]i can't really explain but certainly most locals rarely go to martini or even sharkey. walkabou is popular for pokerdraw night and pool comp and a cheap lunch. apparently all bars on rue pasteur from alien to shanghai are to be offered market rates for their land and to be out by xmas. this includes the famous hod of course. pp is changing fast.
[/quote]
that's some news about 51 (pasteur). not a huge loss for me. i expect it's a biz killer for the hotels near there, particularly flamingo. goes without saying for wallkabout. expect some of those places will relocate to new spots. hod for sure. shanghai probly. walkabout probly. the smaller bars perhaps not. i've stayed at flamingo a couple times, but it's not head and heels above other hotels to me. when in pp i spend much more of my time going around town than checking out that area.
by the way, as a local, can you recommend some more good places to eat? where do you locals tend to go? and what about for khmer food? curious to know about any good food there, but must say i haven't had much luck finding a khmer place that feels like this is the one.
thanks,
wendella
[quote=wendella]
how you know that about the fate of the girls, owner?
[/quote]
phil istine is quite right on this. check the ngo reports, the sex-workers unions reports, the newspaper reports, and individual stories (which need some sensitivity to elicit - be prepared for tears and brave smiles). bush threw lots of 'anti-aids' money at cambodia recently with his usual proviso that it would also be anti-condoms (cambodians are already very pro-marriage - it's about survival). it was blanketed under a worthy campaign to stop trafficking of child prostitutes but extended to criminalise all brothel owning. police are part of the system that makes cambodia one of the most corrupt in the world (check the corruption and transparency indices - it's not that far above zimbabwe and the worst of the african nations). the result was the new law gave police powers to raid brothels, arrest girls, keep them for a few days without access to retrovirals etc, gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] them, and let them go again. girls found carrying condoms are accused of being prostitutes and complicit and hence subject to the same treatment. the intimidation also allows the extortion to operate freely and it's often without even very much pretence at concealment. it's bad in pp but i found even more fear in battambang (where corruption has even closer links with old khmer rouge than the current ruling clique). most horror stories you hear about cambodia are only the tip of an iceberg.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I've stayed at Flamingo a couple times, but it's not head and heels above other hotels to me. When in PP I spend much more of my time going around town than checking out that area. [/QUOTE]
Flamingo rooms are ok, the guys at the reception are VERY GF, but the restaurant is horrible.
Can you suggest an alternative?
In-room internet is a must.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Phil Istine is quite right on this. [/QUOTE]
Just in case I gave the wrong impression, I wasn't doubting his accuracy or sincerity on it, just wondering where he'd heard or read it. I would be interested to read up on it myself, so if you or anyone can point me toward which NGO's, sex-worker union reports or newspaper stories, I'd go check those out. I'm not one to try to turn a blind eye to how things really do play out. Have seen some particularly nasty things in Cambodia at different times, mainly years ago. It can be quite ugly, I know.
Crackdowns Well the crackdown on girlie bars resulting in a few being closed was just for openers. In the pre New Year dash for cash the cops raided one hotel and searched every room for drugs. Much to our amazement they found nothing and left without any tea money. The cops also raided a couple of establishments serving extra ingredients in their dishes. Rumour has it that two were found to have herbs on the premises and the cops got a sizable donation to their beer fund. Bar owners beware the clampdown on girlie bars will continue. Well informed sources point out that barfines could be next in the firing line. So hurry up and concoct those expensive non alcoholic ladies cocktails!
nine phnom penh bars you can no longer drink in
29-jul-2008
if beer came naturally from wells in kampot or kratie or kandal province , dick chaney would have been sufficiently entranced to move to phnom penh long ago. in fact, he wouldn’t have even needed to export the stuff to get texan rich. can you think of another city in the world where demand for the amber nectar can exceed supply to the extent that during this year’s khmer new year festival we almost ran out of beer?
so given that persuading the average expatriate urbanite to drink vast quantities of beer involves no marketing genius whatsoever, the number of bars that have gone to the wall over the years has been somewhat surprising.
none of these bars listed below are in robust good health. in fact, they’re all long gone and whilst some committed voluntary euthanasia, others definitely had their suicides assisted.
apocalypse now
classy chicks, cheap drinks and a level pool table were just three things this bar didn’t have during its notably peripatetic existence travelling to and fro along st 63 and thereabouts.
on entering the darkened room, one would be greeted by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]-coloured floor tiles, a wonky pool table and a number of unhappy looking vietnamese girls rep001tered about the moth eaten sofas or busily engaged in pampering, petting, smoothing, and smooching the battle-hardened *****mongers, silver swingers and other non-functioning and indigent expat inhabitants of the city who were dumped on stools next to a plywood bar.
presiding over this was a wheezy and degenerate pastis guzzling owner looking every inch the sleazy french pimp. he was a titan amongst bar owners (but only if we drop the last two letters) and a typical story involved an acquaintance of mine buying the man a beer so as to practise his french – and then being charged for a $3.50 ladydrink.
rumour had it that punters who couldn’t afford to shell out $5 for a trip to the short time room received the answer, ‘you do me in the toilet.’
all this combined to leave a desolate impression reeking of low end commercial sex and stale flatulence.
reason closed? the owner was sent to jail for trafficking
tom’s irish bar
close to the sihanouk/ st 63 junction, tom’s was a highly agreeable corner bar with a terrace that managed to catch a late afternoon through wind and resembled one those irish theme pubs to be found everywhere in the uk - except that it was thousands of miles away in the tropics.
the walls were adorned with camán’s, dusty sepia photographs from gaelic football matches gone by and other assorted irish nick-nacks. a couple of genial hounds had the run of the place and the cheery owner was usually in attendance.
tom’s would be alien territory for the new breed of snobby, young trustafarian ngo types, yet an older breed of ngo workers were this bar’s core clientčle - people who arrived in cambodia when it wasn’t such a sexy and fashionable travel venue of choice for twenty-something vultures with sociology degrees.
reason closed? tom passed away.
george’s nightclub and kebab house
owned by a lebanese chap (‘choose wisely my friend but the fat one is mine’) this proposed behemoth of a bar sat astride the wat phnom traffic circle (these days the haunt of ladyboys and not much else).
intriguingly george’s tried to go head to head with the heart for the elusive late night freelance dancing ladies custom and this high risk strategy actually worked during that time the heart was closed for renovations.
whilst everything was going to plan there would often be a multitude of steel panther suvs crouching outside, and inside one would find wealthy khmer men yakking nonsense while slurping jumbo jugs of angkor beer, local manikin dusky disco dollies cavorting around poles and lots of old white blokes watching the disco dollies, jaws agape.
yet even then, one had the feeling the george was getting a little over-extended by ill-advisedly spending the gnp of laos on the world’s most expensive juicer and not much less on importing a state of the art kebab machine that for some reason wouldn’t work in cambodia
and then the heart reopened and george saw the freelance dancing ladies return en masse. rule one of owning a nightclub is this. the western guys just go where the khmer girls are no matter how dangerous the venue, no matter how rotten the music is and no matter how overpriced the drinks are. and the khmer girls went back to the heart.
towards the end, george’s succumbed to the baleful embrace of failure and was deserted by the paying public. whatever the opposite of a purple patch is, this bar had it. in fact, sam campbell’s life story performed naked on ice would have attracted more customers.
reason for closure? the heart reopened.
chez johnny
‘avec chauffer’ read the ad in the press for this french owned bar on st 108. avec cock out too, customers discovered to their horror when the notoriously exhibitionist owner (johnny) came into view, trousers all too often dragging around his ankles.
he wasn’t the healthiest of specimens was johnny, which was hardly surprising considering he gave the impression of subsisting solely on cheap whiskey, sex, drugs and whatever he found when he woke up face down on the floor the next day.
he was laying flat on the bar one night and someone asked me if he was paralytic. i didn’t have a clue. that’s what he always looked like at 11pm having lost his daily duel with the whisky bottle.
however, who said that the age of chivalry was dead? how could it be when johnny was always willing to lend his own distressed mezzanine bedroom for $10 short time liaisons?
this tragicomic train wreck of epic proportions finally ended when the local constabulary rolled up and found numerous vietnamese ladies without the proper paperwork and more disturbingly a loaded firearm hidden under a bed.
reason for closure? owner jailed.
round the corner
a no frills ‘hole in the wall’ retro bar where the star attraction was an eski full of beer-on-ice, and where, if you stayed for a decent drinking session you’d no doubt have spent more money on your beer than the owner had spent decorating the place.
this sadly missed boozer (round the corner from the walkabout) was a shining example of the ‘old skool’ phnom penh drinking den.
it’s hard to imagine nowadays, but there was once a time when nearly all bars were like this and it’s harder still to imagine a better place to have got drunk on a weekend afternoon. in fact, one saturday afternoon i got so drunk that you could have nailed a mouse to my forehead and i wouldn't have known till the following tuesday.
reason for closure? the owner moved to afghanistan.
mikardo club
phnom penh’s long standing and notorious bastion of sleaze - and a venue known to pamper its patrons with a range of services seldom available inside other bars - finally had its door closed a couple of months ago.
this dark and tatty elephant's graveyard of bar girls, a final resting place for the raddled superannuated slappers reduced to working panty less, was to the casual eye the natural habitat of single male sex tourists nursing a lonely beer while their travelling pal was being vigorously entertained upstairs.
for above the ghoulishly dark mikado was an attached hotel, which whilst not having plywood rat hole cubicles, was slightly crap and down at heel despite the mirror ceilings which were there, apparently, to cover sophisticated camera equipment shooting footage. this footage, when transferred to vcd, later turned up at market stalls all around town allowing the owner a secondary income from phnom penh’s underground but roaring trade in diy sex tapes.
the end, when it came, was crisp, clear and categorical. the khmer owner, the raddled tarts and the waitresses in their ill-fitting kimonos were all hauled away by the police and the bar was jugulated there and then.
and with this bar’s closure, so ended the days of foreigner orientated ‘in house’ recreation bars
reason closed? a police raid leading to the owner’s imprisonment.
souvenir bar
not a place for pampered ex-pats whining about the hardships of living on $5000 a month in phnom penh but this riverside novelty bar (beer and burgers outside, a smorgasbord of tacky souvenirs inside) a block south from the fcc was beloved of english teachers (and other people who wear their cheap charlie badges with pride) seeking value for money - and no wonder when beer only cost about ten cents more per can than in the supermarket and each beer came with a free riverside view.
the only downside was the tawdry procession of invalids and glue sniffing orphans.
i’m no psychic but even two years ago i guessed that a tsunami of gentrification would sweep over the riverside. and so it came to be. souvenir bar has been discarded like an old plastic coffee cup for something newer and shinier, most probably a chi chi restaurant where most starters will set customers back more than it used to cost for a night of anchor jugs and burgers at the old place.
reason for closure? the times they are a changin’
my lien
in marked contract to nearby apocalypse now, there were no pock-marked old slappers to be found in this bar, which, to a large extent, functioned as a respectable dating agency for perky young vietnamese waitresses in search of a solvent western chap.
this ineffably homey bar, situated on a quiet, shady boueng keng kang side street was manna for the after-work expat crowd and my lien herself ran a tight ship, keeping both girls and customers firmly in line. she also thought up the excellent idea of charging $1.50 for a beer but then doling out a free one after every three drinks. all in all, the perfect place for a boeng keng kong sundowner and the food wasn’t bad either.
reason for closure? the owner sold the bar and to open a hostess bar elsewhere.
peace cafe
i seem to remember peaceman running a good bar once upon a time, although maybe i dreamt it?
of course this was before he got started bumping fists with the world, before he began bathing in bitterness, before his proneness to get punchy in public and before everything he did became news. (bad news.)
there was a time when you were more likely to find an accidentally discarded chicken nugget on the floor of his bar than a crumpled nugget of burnt tin foil, but those were they days of the peace café when he was a talented and extremely hardworking bar owner.
he was a good cook too, back when he knew a few recipes that didn’t involve heating up cocaine and baking powder to make crack, and his bar was unique in that ngo staffers rubbed shoulders with teachers who clicked glasses with tourists, flashpackers, khmers and anybody else fortunate enough to find out about this little oasis at the far end of st 63.
and who can forget the legendary peace cabarets (peaceman’s attempt to introduce phnom penh to the busking scene) with umpteen musicians shuffling around a tiny stage or for that matter the bum n draze gigs, or the movie premieres or the best quiz night in town?
let’s be candid. the peace café was a fantastic little bar which at the time of its demise deserved a state funeral and a 21 gun salute.
reason for closure? end of lease and relocation.
some of these bars are fondly missed whilst others were crap enough to make staying in the new going out, but the big question is this. if khmer 440 readers could play god, which bar would they like to bring back to life for one last night? which phoenix should rise from the flames for one beer-soaked evening only? round the corner leads the zombie pack for this writer, but what do you think?
Brothel busts drive sex workers underground
Police crackdown on brothels ahead of a US review of Cambodia’s [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url] status, raising doubts about who benefits from the show of force.
[quote=wendella]just in case i gave the wrong impression, i wasn't doubting his accuracy or sincerity on it, just wondering where he'd heard or read it. i would be interested to read up on it myself, so if you or anyone can point me toward which ngo's, sex-worker union reports or newspaper stories, i'd go check those out. i'm not one to try to turn a blind eye to how things really do play out. have seen some particularly nasty things in cambodia at different times, mainly years ago. it can be quite ugly, i know.[/quote]
not at all, just trying to be helpful. you can get most of it by googling (there's online newspapers in english and many groups have their own webpages). i travel alone and spoke to and got to know as many people as i could in cambodia in various walks of life. some patterns emerge and the same stuff comes up repeatedly. there's also ngos that know what they're doing and those that don't have a clue. i've also consumed about half a dozen books on cambodia - the ones by respected journalists are especially helpful. and i found absorbing the complicated history very enlightening - otherwise it was hard to make sense of khmers' allegiances and their often seemingly incongruous smiles. one of the reasons i stay in ratholes like walkabout i think is that less is covered up and i find what's really going on more interesting than the sanitised versions on sisowath or the 'nicer' parts of towns. but it's not for everyone. i don't blame anyone that just wants to pop in to a nice hotel and get some pussy served daily without too many questions! i find digging deeper more satisfying in the long run, but not everyone has the time for this.
there are horror stories that don't bear thinking about. "what's that building?" i ask my english-speaking ex-army moto driver in the countryside on the way back to battambang. "it's for children who have been raped," he says quietly.
Hello All,
I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.
Ideally a parlor that service BBBJ and FS.
I'm heading out there in several days.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Super Sun7979]Hello All,
I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.
Ideally a parlor that service BBBJ and FS.
I'm heading out there in several days.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure there must be some but a lot will have closed down or become more surreptitious with the new law. I don't mind keeping massage and happy endings separate unless they're spontaneous, but if I wanted the two together I'd go for the area down from Cyrcee, and southwest towards the strip. Most are cheap n a bit nasty, or temporary garage+cubicle affairs, but a couple on the cross streets offer 'massage' with an obvious eye on something more, as do girls near the Heart of Darkness part of the strip and elsewhere. But I think the traditional upmarket (Thai-style) fishbowls will be shrinking. Somewhere like Candy Bar is currently straightforward - look for one you like, get a smile, then find the mamasan or someone who speaks English. It was only carry-out a few weeks ago but I reckon short time onsite should be available as it is in Cyrcee if you are trusted. But maybe someone has seen a proper fishbowl in PP recently?
[QUOTE=Super Sun7979]
I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.
[/QUOTE]
Hi SS,
the most easily accessible fish bowl is in Chip Lay Hotel that is within spitting distance of Walkabout. As you leave Walkabout go around corner to your right. Ask at reception for massage and they will point you to the lift/stairs. I have never tried it and the attitude of the girls has been reported as being not so good (but this, as always, will depend on the girl).
Good luck
Hawk
There used to be a big fishbowl massage upstairs in a hotel that I think was called New Paris Hotel... this a ways out westward... does anyone know which hotel I'm talking about? Or the street name? It's a major street that I think is used to head to the airport. I went upstairs and did see a fishbowl there one time, a few years ago. Still there? Dunno. It wasn't anything amazing, I passed on it. Catered to Asian customers.
Are you talking abut the Paris Hotle located on Kampuchea Krom? If you are, the bowl is on the third floor. It is $5 for a massage and extras will cost you more.
The scooter guys who park outside the hotel can hook you with some factory workers. I aint shitting you. One scooter guy took me to a factory girl who was getting off of work. The girl was hot as hell.
Therses heaps but not for Barang. One street back from Sihanouk there are two, one is the Sakura and the other just west of st 63 has a Khmer name. There are seperate Khmer, Viet and Russian sections.
Down in Daun Penh there is the Heaven Hotel on the corner of, I can't remember but its near Norodom, one block back.
Theres the new york of course.
All the big asian hotels have them, shitloads of them but you would have to be asian to go I think.
Across at Chroy Changva there is the Washington Hotel, sounds great but I don't think that we can go.
I know of one place has a whole floor of young girls, but of course we can't go, luckily.
I'm in PP for 2 days.
Can you tell me where are Le Cyrcée, Golden Vine and Tahiti Eden?
Thanks+++
Tried to post this once already.
LCC between st 136 and st 130 one block west of norodom.
Tahiti st 118 near river.
Golden vine st 108 near cnr st 51
[QUOTE=Senso08]I'm in PP for 2 days.
Can you tell me where are Le Cyrcée, Golden Vine and Tahiti Eden?
Thanks+++[/QUOTE]LCC bewteen 136 and 130 one block west of Norodom.
GV on 108 near cnr st 51.
Tahiti st 118 near river.
[quote=nanahawk]hi c,
i may be getting confused but i'd never really thought about going inside independence monument nor have i seen throngs of upmarket khmers around the monument. especially after sunset when things have always seemed dark enough to allow anything to be going on. good to hear that they are pretty and so may go have a look-see soon.
hawk[/quote]orange girls are from the past, like teukalok girls. maybe again in the countryside but not anymore in phnom penh. this article was write by ngo cwcc. so for those who are adventurous it s a good plave to be catch in picture and registred. i wonder also why they don t talked about teukalok girls. who are also very numerous in hun sen park and all around phnom penh just 4 years ago. i just came back from phnom penh 2 days ago and didn t see any sign of orange girl. all my friends living here from more than 15 years and was regular of orange girls called it #the good old times#
personaly phnom penh is just a rip off place, and not a good place for mongering in peace. in walkabout, sharky some girls are clearly ****. , if you like matured girls in their 30s i recommended you the pretty and sweet viet called sunny, she has small piercing noze in the left face, always elegant, good english, god conversation full of humour, she is everynight in walkabout. i m sure soon somebody will married her, go faster.
tuol kok has no more than 8 brothels in action, most of them hidded as coffee shop, and girls are ugly. also many african go to mongering in this place, public park like hun sen park are almost desert, the other one in front of the train station behind the new skyline building guest almost 50 girls each nights, from all the age. not for beginer at all, not all, street is totally dark, and pimps stay in the obscurity be extremely carefully. expected 5 dollars like tuol kok. hard to bargain now.
the best choice is sisovath quay near the japanese friendship bridge 4 khmer brothels but one get some cute girls in their 20 asking 5 dollars for a lousy service. pity it s better to use you hand. on the same street many viet working under cover of 6000 riels massage. but they will hardly show you signs of interest, you have to deal with them directly. expect 5 dollars too, some will offred you to do it with their friend.
bars in phnom penh are not good value, some girls tend to thinked they are irresistible and asked you 15 or 20 dollars for st. less pretty will go for 10 dollars. finaly like last year the best place for mongering is poipet, cute girls, no more than 200 baths for st or 500 all night. possible to get for less. poipet is a no man land, so ngo have no power here.
all and all cambodia is not a mongering country anymore. too expensive for food, transportation, bad service from girls. thailand is better value now.
cheers
I read many comment about the closure of sophies bar, but something puzzled me. I read the bayon pearnik and find no big ads about sophies bar, but if you look in the bar list of phnom penh in the same magazine you will see the adverstisment of Sophies bar located #9 street 118, following by attentive hostesses. So I m wondering if this place is close, why we can see again advertisment in bayon pearnik magazine.
More info about it?
Just spent a couple of nights in P.P.
Tried to find the infamous "Orange Girls.)
Walked all around the Monument area and nothing to be seen. Also talked to several Tuk Tuk and Moto drivers. Most had never heard of the Orange sellers but one told me that "he thought that some years ago they were there but not now!!"
Not sure if he knew what he was talking about or just doing the Asian thing of telling me what he thought I wanted to hear rather than saying he don't know!
If any one else has any info I would be greatfull as I am back in PP shortly and would like to try (it sounded like a bit of fun!)
Hotman.
I'm interested in any comments on whether PP is still a good mongering spot.
I'm planning to visit Cambodia next year.
I've always thought of PP is a good mongering destination and I've read a lot of old reports on this board for "research".
But now there are recent reports on this board of a "crackdown" and closures of many "popular places".
So, is PP still a good mongering place? Or, should I look elsewhere? Thailand? Other?
By the way, is Sophies in PP now closed? It's one of the places I'd go to in PP but some reports on this board suggest it's closed (but I'm not sure about that).
All suggestions / advice much appreciated!
Irving
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Therses heaps but not for Barang. [/QUOTE]
Hey Phil, I PM'd you about this, not sure if that made it thru to you.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Irv Washington]So, is PP still a good mongering place? Or, should I look elsewhere? Thailand? Other?
By the way, is Sophies in PP now closed?[/QUOTE]
It depends on whether you have been to Phnom Penh or Thailand in the past, Irving. If you have, their current state will only depress you. If you haven't, prehaps you'll still have a good time as you at least won't be at home. Severe crackdowns are taking place throughout Southeast Asia, but probably worse in Cambodia where the NGOs are even more dominant than in Thailand. I do not recommend going to Phnom Penh anymore if you are at all picky. And yes, last I was there a few months ago, Sophies was gone - everyone says it won't be coming back.
Channy is correct about the very poor state of quantity, quality, and service available in PP, all due to the NGO and Cambodian government crackdown. But I would dispute his assertion about the age of the girls found in Martini's and Walkabout - all that I saw were quite aged, typically around 20-25, with plenty of 30s around too.
I was there in May, and afraid to say it was shut, the moto driver took me there just to make sure, he got off the bike and walked up to a few guys hanging around the front, came make and told me it was gone, I shed a tear and moved on. Was there a year earlier and had a great experience and kept going back till I left.
[QUOTE=Channy]I read many comment about the closure of sophies bar, but something puzzled me. I read the bayon pearnik and find no big ads about sophies bar, but if you look in the bar list of phnom penh in the same magazine you will see the adverstisment of Sophies bar located #9 street 118, following by attentive hostesses. So I m wondering if this place is close, why we can see again advertisment in bayon pearnik magazine.
More info about it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Just spent a couple of nights in P.P.
Tried to find the infamous "Orange Girls.)
Walked all around the Monument area and nothing to be seen. Also talked to several Tuk Tuk and Moto drivers. Most had never heard of the Orange sellers but one told me that "he thought that some years ago they were there but not now!!"
Not sure if he knew what he was talking about or just doing the Asian thing of telling me what he thought I wanted to hear rather than saying he don't know!
If any one else has any info I would be greatfull as I am back in PP shortly and would like to try (it sounded like a bit of fun!)
Hotman.[/QUOTE]The orange girls doesnt exists anymore. They use to be in the park east of independence monument. But closer to Sothearos then the monument. Still alot of girls in that park at night time, but the Orange ladies/girls are long gone.
Heard that sophie was reopening but don't know anyone who has been.
I am just back from PP and I had a really good time.
Got off the flight from BKK at around 9 or so and expected to find the pick up from Flamingo waiting but something must have glitched so I took a taxi, real expensive though 9 dollar.
Getting to Flamingo and had to wait for my room to be cleaned and ready, left my stuff in the reception and walked down the street passed Shianghai and HOD to drop in somewhere. Some ugly girls dragged me in to get a massage and a blowjob and when that was done my room was about ready. Had a shower in my room and then I went out to have a meal in Walkabout and some little cutie quickly eyed me eating in the bar and came to sit with me. I bought her a beer and was playing a little grabass with her which was ok, went upstairs to play a little more and then we negotiated a price and went back to the hotel for short time. Had a good session with her and then I stayed in the room for a nap. When it was about dinner time I went downstairs and sat with some experienced guys and was advised about different restaurants, decided for POP-BAR near riverside for Italian food and it really is very recommendable and even the kitchen is nice and clean and they cook really good food.
Took a moto to Cyrcee and found a little something there and went to the short time place with her. Had a good time with her, she had some strange round marks on her back from what she called massage, I guess it was on of those where they put hot glass jars on the back and let them sit there, I don’t know if it does any good but it looked strange on her even the marks were three days old. Anyway, then I tried to find where Sophies used to be and I did find it but as is already know it is closed, sob sob. Walked then a bit around and dropped in to a nice bar called Cat something and stayed there for a beer playing different bar games with the girls and then a moto to Martinis. Even I have been to Martinis before I still get startled when that little man by the entrance says “HELLOOO” by the way does anyone what he is sitting on? How he sits? Does he have and ass to sit on? Never mind… In Martinis I was looking around and there were quite a few cute girls but now I was in the mood for something a little bit different, I wanted to try anal and I was approached by this little bit older girl “Rani” I think. She seemed willing and energetic so we went across the street to some Chinese guesthouse or something and had a short time there. Sucking and fucking was ok but the anal was not very good. Going back to Martinis it was again pooring down and had to run in the rain.
I downed a few beers and then took a tuk tuk to go to HOD, good choice!
In HOD I quickly spotted a girl that I had about a year ago and was very pleased with her. She was available for the evening and I took her, she even remembered me, don’t worry I gave her a few “test questions” she did remember me. After dancing and so on we walked to Flamingo and had a really wonderful night and morning too. Real good GFE experience.
Next day I thought we´d go swimming and went to get a bikini in the market and a quick stop at her place for some clothes, then to the VIP club for a swim and a daze in the lounge chairs.
After swimming and showering in Flamingo we went to dinner in a nice Indian restaurant and then to Martinis again and have good time. She went off dancing and I found some nice guys outside to talk to.
After some time I joined her in the disco and danced a bit and then told her that I wanted her to find a friend to join us for the evening and go with us to the hotel, she looked a bit strange at me and complained some but she did as I wanted. Her friend was very young, skinny and a bit shy and I thought already then this is not going to be a success. Went with the two to Flamingo and the young friend disappeared into the shower quickly. When she was finished and ready to come out I pushed her back in and had her soap me in and give me a wash, she was not into that at all and way too shy.
When all were showered and on the bed I started with my “GFE” and telling the friend to join in but she didn´t. I then proceeded over to her and she was very shy and reluctant to do much of anything.
I just about had enough and asked her; do you want to stay or go, stay or go, she said go and I let her go. Didn´t pay her. Fucked the GFE real good, but since the night was still young and I was in the mood I took her to HOD and we had a good time dancing and grabbing all her friends and so on.
We then found her roommate and this one has a much better attitude. She asked if the roommate would go with us and yes for sure no problem at all. Danced some more and then went to eat outside and then back to the room. Roommate was just naked in the room immediately and was this little cute dark girl but with a really great attitude, she jumped around naked in the room smoked cigarettes and was just really great fun to be with. GFE was happy with the situation and so was I.
The fucking was great. Girls eating pussy and playing with tits and sharing cocksucking. Everything went really well.
Next day took them both to waterpark. It was so so, I had fun with the little dark one running around and doing the slides and so on, she can swim like a fish.
Had dinner in town somewhere. I forgot which one but on some corner near riverside and has black bamboo furniture and sitting outside. It was all ok. The evening and night time was just about a repeat of the previous but never really ended until it was time for me to go in the morning to the airport.
All in all a memorable 3 days fast holiday in PP, and I´ll do it again soon.
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[QUOTE=Dazzla]I was there in May, and afraid to say it was shut, the moto driver took me there just to make sure, he got off the bike and walked up to a few guys hanging around the front, came make and told me it was gone, I shed a tear and moved on. Was there a year earlier and had a great experience and kept going back till I left.[/QUOTE]Rumoured to be rising from the ashes but i have heard nothing around town.
Billy Baht Battles Cambodia
Local time in Phnom Penh is 4:00 pm. Thank you for flying Air Asia…
I had scored a Baht 299 each way Bangkok – Phnom Penh (PNP) Air Asia ticket ($50 USD each way including fuel, taxes, etc) and I was eager to hit the ground and chill out with some Khmer cuties. The newish airport at PNP is small but efficient and I dutifully lined up for the $20 Visa on Arrival. It’s wise to have correct change because I noticed that Immigration was pulling the old “Sorry, no change. Do you have Thai Baht?” scam. The Thai Baht price is 1,000 THB which is around $30 US. Save yourself $10 and pay with correct change. If you are staying longer than 30 days, get the $25 “Business Visa” which, as I understand can be renewed very easily, unlike the standard Tourist Visa.
Actually the Visa process does not take very long and I whizzed through Immigration and was at the exit in a flash. A quick visit to the ATM (I prefer the Canadia ATM, no fee. ANZ charges a $2 fee) and I was outside negotiating for a moto into town. He asks for $4 but agrees to $2. My driver is very proud of his new Honda Wave and told me he paid $1,300 for it. I notice that the Khmers are driving more Honda and Suzuki motor bikes as opposed to the ubiquitous Chinese Dialam (spelling?) bikes on previous visits. I tell him to take me to Sisowath Quay, the wide boulevard paralleling the river and get a room at Cozynia Hotel, a clean little place for $15 a night. They won’t discount for longer stay, but I decided to stay there anyway.
A quick shower and I’m out trying to buy a Cambodian SIM card. The first few shops refuse me (Must have Cambodian ID card, WTF?!?) but the fourth shop accepts my $USD as my “ID” LOL! The Hello 016 SIM is $10 and I buy $5 worth of time. The $5 card includes 120 minutes of free air time; local SMS text messages are 3 cents in network and 5 cents out of network. It’s a great deal and I never buy more time during my 27 day visit.
I call Sray, a girl I’d chatted to on AFF. She can’t meet tonight but would tomorrow night be OK? You bet honey, so I head off to the Walkabout. It’s the same old WA, filled with expats, skanks, semi skanks and some real cuties. A thin semi skank offers me boom boom, yum yum service for $20. I laugh and say no thanks and she says “OK, OK $15, OK?” I say $10, she smiles and I take her upstairs to the $4 short time room. She was pretty lame in bed but, in a perverse way, I enjoyed pumping her hard and got off despite her attitude. Back downstairs I ordered a beer and then a REAL cutie sat down beside me and she wants to go upstairs. I politely decline saying that I’d just boom boomed and no power. She was cool about it and kept chatting and smiling so I bought her a soft drink. Screw it, this girl is so cute, I decide to take her upstairs power or no power. $10 is fine for her so off we go. Man, she has me hard in the shower and we soon proceed to the bed for a great BBBJ and then boom boom (party hat on junior.) Man, what a difference the right girl makes!! She seems into it or maybe she is just a great actress, but I’m happy and junior is too. We shower afterwards and she seems in no hurry to rush out the door so we chat a bit while she massages me. She is 20, from some country province and new (says she) to PNP. Her English is not great so maybe it’s true. Anyway, who cares, I’m not looking for a wife, just a good lay, LOL! I get her number, then we go downstairs and I blow her a kiss on my way out the door. I work my way up 51st street and have a few more beers then back to my hotel for some much need rest.
My room has no window so it’s nice and dark and I’m a bit surprised to see the time – 11:00 am. Guess I was tired, LOL!
I walk north on Sisowath Quay (river on my right side) and pop in to the Australian Bakery, a very clean place complete with today’s Bangkok Post. I order the $2,85 breakfast (eggs, bacon, beans toast) and a $1.40 brewed cup of coffee. The waitress are fun to talk to and will even teach you some khmer if your willing to learn.
After eating, I’m off walking around PNP. I think that the long suffering Khmers are finally getting a little money in their pockets. Don’t get me wrong, its still a very poor country, but the average man on the street has is just a bit better dressed, more Japanese motor bikes and most locals look well fed.
Back to my hotel to escape the mid day heat and relax a bit. Sray is texting me about dinner tonight so we agree to meet at my hotel at 6:00 pm. At 6 sharp, Sray calls and says she is waiting for me outside. I hop in to her SUV and we go to some nice khmer restaurant somewhere south of the Independence monument. Sray works for an NGO, her parents are middle class professionals. She is a 30, a big girl and a bit shy but her English is excellent and she has a sharp brain as well. Dinner is OK and she even tries to pick up the check, which, although I am impressed, I insist on paying. We drive back to my hotel and I am thinking maybe she is too shy or maybe not into me, so I’m just chilled out and enjoying the scenery. As we pull up to my hotel she shyly asks if she can see my room. Why sure darling, be my guest, why not?
We get in the room and talk for a bit. I think no guts no glory and kiss her. To my surprise, she shivers and thrusts her tongue into my throat. Well, how bout this. Cool! Long story short, we’re soon humping like rabbits and it’s obvious that she loves to fuck.
Man, I love Cambodia.
To be continued…
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Just spent a couple of nights in P.P.
Tried to find the infamous "Orange Girls.)
Walked all around the Monument area and nothing to be seen. Also talked to several Tuk Tuk and Moto drivers. Most had never heard of the Orange sellers but one told me that "he thought that some years ago they were there but not now!!"
Not sure if he knew what he was talking about or just doing the Asian thing of telling me what he thought I wanted to hear rather than saying he don't know!
If any one else has any info I would be greatfull as I am back in PP shortly and would like to try (it sounded like a bit of fun!)
Hotman.[/QUOTE]I tell you before Hotman Orange girls are from the past in phnom penh, just read that this source come from Cwcc Ngo, by the way orange girls, was located in park and the action was a blow job behind the # bush#. For 5000 riels Teukalok girls was available for fj in hotel.
Hi,
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the hospital and medicine costs are for locals who have high blood pressure. I have a girl who claims that her mom spends $30 on each hospital visit. It sounds like too much as I don't believe many locals can afford that.
I suspect her mom is hooked on drugs. Is that resonable to believe?
[QUOTE=Alfiepcc]that her mom spends $30 on each hospital visit. It sounds like too much as I don't believe many locals can afford that.[/QUOTE]A visit at Calmette hospital is $10 for foreigners (1 year ago).
Billy,
I did the Walkabout cutie when i was there in December 07.
Her BJ skills must have inproved since then. She was a real cutie and a decent fxxk though. I did her twice in a double and once on her own.
She was just soooo cute. Her older sister works from WA also and she offered a sisters double act. Luckily I had been warned about the sister by a local as one of the pair who stole the 6000 cash from an American guys suitcase. So I naturally declined the sister act.
[QUOTE=Alfiepcc]Hi,
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the hospital and medicine costs are for locals who have high blood pressure. I have a girl who claims that her mom spends $30 on each hospital visit. It sounds like too much as I don't believe many locals can afford that.
I suspect her mom is hooked on drugs. Is that resonable to believe?[/QUOTE]30 $ a visit is very easy to reach, if she goes to some private hospital - not a really good one. They will put her in a room with eight to twelve beds, give her some infusions for around two hours and charge 30 to 45 $.
Some hospitals are very good at giving infusions.
I know a girl, who was treated by a chinese privarte hospital for some days with infusions, because her monthly blood hadn't stopped for weeks. Infusions didn't help, so someone took her to another hosital, where they found, that she'd been pregnant in the scond month, the baby simply died, but didn't come out.
By this time, she'd been paying on infusions already around 200 $.
[QUOTE=Alfiepcc]Hi,
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the hospital and medicine costs are for locals who have high blood pressure. I have a girl who claims that her mom spends $30 on each hospital visit. It sounds like too much as I don't believe many locals can afford that.
I suspect her mom is hooked on drugs. Is that resonable to believe?[/QUOTE]
Hi Alfie,
I believe there are differing standards of hospital and I was surprised last year when I needed to take my friend to hospital on New Year's Day. She was suffering from excess alcohol and needed to spend hours laid out receiving intravenous drip of fluids. She then needed to go back the next day for the same and the whole thing cost me $100. (Yes I did see the bill handed over while I was there.)
This was at the hospital/clinic closest to where she lived and may have been cheaper elsewhere but it was by no means a 'plush' clinic.
Why did I do it I hear you ask; the main reason was guilt as she drunk a half bottle of Cinzano when she got upset over me being friendly with her friend.
No guarantee of what use your girl will put any money too but the price may not be that excessive.
Hoping this offers a different perspective of the situation
Hawk
[QUOTE=Alfiepcc]Hi,
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the hospital and medicine costs are for locals[/QUOTE]
afaik you will pay normal 'high' fees for decent western medicine. Locals can't afford it: locals get sick. This is one of those countries. They can go to the hospital that is one up from a witch doctor of course which is cheaper but reliable drugs and any sort of bona fide equipment (not to mention a trained medic) is expensive. The one exception for locals is their kids can get free treatment at any of Beat Richner's hospitals. Over a third of his budget goes on drugs though and the hospitals are just there for kids (every family in Cambodia knows of Beat Richner). If you want to give to charity while you are in Cambodia I cannot think of a better cause (and if you are skint he will accept donations of blood).
NanaHawk - As for helping your girl out, that was a nice gesture but of course now she goes back to living on the edge as soon as you leave (unless she happens to be a member of the wealthy class). A bit like feeding a starving man on oysters and fois gras before kicking him back in the gutter. Generally speaking there are no right options. So I think you have to do what seems right to you at the time.
The American Medical Center at the Cambodiana Hotel that has pretty close to western standard health care is $15 for a consultation for a local. $30 for a barang. If other services are required such as x rays or ultra sounds they will send you to another clinic but the billing is done through them as well as the interpretation of any of the results.
Naga clinic off rue pastuer is $20 for locals.
I just spent $500 trying to save the life of a friends brother who had fractured his skull on a moto.
Over $200 for the operation and then $100 a day for intensive care, he died last night.
[QUOTE=Patarse]Billy,
I did the Walkabout cutie when i was there in December 07.
Her BJ skills must have inproved since then. She was a real cutie and a decent fxxk though. I did her twice in a double and once on her own.
Luckily I had been warned about the sister by a local as one of the pair who stole the 6000 cash from an American guys suitcase. So I naturally declined the sister act.[/QUOTE]
Patarse,
Dude, I was going to marry that girl until you told me you did her, LOL!
Stole 6 grand eh? (Why do people have so much cash on them?!?)
When I go short time, I put my money in my jeans, then roll my jeans up and use it as a pillow. When I shower, I take my "pillow" with me. I've had a few one hand showers in my time, LOL!
I recently returned from a short break in Cambodia and would like to give my (brief) comments on P.P.
I stayed on the riverside at Cozyna Hotel.
Location would have been good except for the long term work taking place along almost the whole length of the riverside walk. No construction noise but the riverside walks, where I had been successful with several freelancers on my last visit has now been completely dug up and is not due for completion until 2010!
Hotel staff were both friendly and efficient. Room was “good enough!” A/C worked well, bed was comfortable and overall my room was basic but clean! Free water and instant coffee powder. I would say good value for money.
Plenty of nearby places to eat from breakfast time through to late evening. Many with young, sweet Cambodian or Vietnamese waitresses who like to practice English. These girls are paid around 2 US$ / day so your tips are appreciated.
Surprisingly for such a poor country I have always found the quality of the food in Cambodia to be excellent. I have NEVER had a bad meal there. Whether local, Chinese or Western the food I have tried has always been good and very reasonably priced.
Evenings. Plenty of “entertainment” available on the riverside area but no shortage of transport offers if you want to go to some other areas (It is not a good idea to walk in areas you do not know during the hours of darkness. Much better to take a Moto or Tuk Tuk and only costs a US$ or two.)
I tried many of the bars but one of my favourite areas was street 104. This was only a few minutes walk North from my hotel and had a good selection of Hostess Bars, Clubs, Pubs and places to eat all in a short street of less than 150mtr long.
Good food at Rose Bar, with some attractive hostesses and a good pool table. My favourite bar was Bunny Bar (YMMV) This relatively new bar is about 20 mtr in from the river on the north side of street 104. I found some very attentive ladies here who were happy to take care of customers without constantly pushing for drinks. A small seating area outside with the usual “meeters and greeters” high bar stools inside near the front of the bar and some comfortable sofas at the back (Ideal for conducting your “in depth job interviews!”)
I took a very attentive young lady back to my hotel after the bar closed one night and enjoyed every minute of the 3 to 4 hours we spent together in my room. No rush, and a very reasonable price!
Overview. PP is not the easiest place in the world and very different to Thailand but a great time can be had here at a reasonable cost. Not recommended for those who have not had previous experience in SE Asia but well worth a few days visit.
Enjoy!
Hotman
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Though I have heard it talked about before, and, apart from Svay Pak, have never really seen evidence of child prostitution in Cambodia, this is the first piece of journalism that I have seen that reports the situation
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2008/10/2008102110195471467.html[/url]
I thought it worthy of publicising here so that any discussion can move away from the anecdotal accounts.
No-one wants to support child prostitution but we do not want to be tarred with a brush that has been used for such a long time when reporting mongering in Cambodia. It may well be the child sex capital of the world but only in a trade promoted and propagated by the locals who have been at it since long before tourism. brought Westerners to Cambodia.
Hawk
[QUOTE=Billy Baht]so I head off to the Walkabout. It’s the same old WA, filled with expats, skanks, semi skanks and some real cuties. A thin semi skank offers me boom boom, yum yum service for $20. I laugh and say no thanks and she says “OK, OK $15, OK?” I say $10, she smiles and I take her upstairs to the $4 short time room. …[/QUOTE]Thanks, Billy Baht for the awesome report and photo.
Was the total cost: 10 for the girl and 4 for the room = $ 14. ??
[QUOTE=First Lover]Even I have been to Martinis before I still get startled when that little man by the entrance says “HELLOOO” by the way does anyone what he is sitting on? How he sits? Does he have and ass to sit on? Never mind… In Martinis I was looking around and there were quite a few cute girls but now I was in the mood for something a little bit different, I wanted to try anal and I was approached by this little bit older girl “Rani” I think. She seemed willing and energetic so we went across the street to some Chinese guesthouse or something and had a short time there. Sucking and fucking was ok but the anal was not very good. Going back to Martinis it was again pooring down and had to run in the rain.
I downed a few beers and then took a tuk tuk to go to HOD, good choice!
In HOD I quickly spotted a girl that I had about a year ago and was very pleased with her. She was available for the evening and I took her, she even remembered me, don’t worry I gave her a few “test questions” she did remember me. After dancing and so on we walked to Flamingo and had a really wonderful night and morning too. Real good GFE experience.[/QUOTE]First Lover - Nice post - and great fotos
Just curious - what did you pay for bang bang with the martini girl and what did you pay for the HOD girl
[quote=nanahawk]though i have heard it talked about before, and, apart from svay pak, have never really seen evidence of child prostitution in cambodia, ..........
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2008/10/2008102110195471467.html[/u
no-one wants to support child prostitution but we do not want to be tarred with a brush that has been used for such a long time when reporting mongering in cambodia. it may well be the child sex capital of the world but only in a trade promoted and propagated by the locals who have been at it since long before tourism. brought westerners to cambodia.
hawk[/quote]
this is so very true! thank you nana hawk for showing this!!!!
the so called ngo's are so entwined in the pockets of the local government for the pursuit of their agenda. that they look for a "poster child" i.e. white tourist to propel their propaganda. they even try to set up people to stay in business.
sure this may awful crime may be perpartrated by a forigner, but very rarely, and surely not nearly as often as the local police and citizens of cambodia. it is true that the men in cambodia very often [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and commit crimes against children. but rather than address the true cause, they look to find a scapegoat, and subsequently parade this badge of based in false credentials.
if pisses the shit out me to be contributing to the economy of this shitty country, while simultanously viewing a white tourist man portrayed in an evil way on the side of a city bus. never on any media is a cambodian shown doing the same, ever!!!
the entire un and all supporting nations should stop all aid to this country until this is properly addressed. fuck hun sen and all the fuckers that patronize these local fuckers, and their ngo pigs!
remember mongering is the related to the oldest of the freely chosen professions, yes nobody forces these above 18yr old girls to seek out this kind of work. it just happens to be the best pay for the least work. and anybody who has been to this country know that these girls are lazy.
smokin gun *****!
hummer bird shits away!
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]Though I have heard it talked about before, and, apart from Svay Pak, have never really seen evidence of child prostitution in Cambodia, this is the first piece of journalism that I have seen that reports the situation
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2008/10/2008102110195471467.html[/url]
I thought it worthy of publicising here so that any discussion can move away from the anecdotal accounts.
No-one wants to support child prostitution but we do not want to be tarred with a brush that has been used for such a long time when reporting mongering in Cambodia. It may well be the child sex capital of the world but only in a trade promoted and propagated by the locals who have been at it since long before tourism. brought Westerners to Cambodia.
Hawk[/QUOTE]Well aljazeera is a bit late with all this, been done with gary glitter and the press around the world. It would not surprise me if these were old reports. Wake up aljazeera and actually report something happening now.
[QUOTE=Billy Baht]Patarse,
Dude, I was going to marry that girl until you told me you did her, LOL!
Stole 6 grand eh? (Why do people have so much cash on them?!?)
When I go short time, I put my money in my jeans, then roll my jeans up and use it as a pillow. When I shower, I take my "pillow" with me. I've had a few one hand showers in my time, LOL![/QUOTE]Billy sorry about the wedding plans.
I wouldnt worry too much I never saw her do more than 4 in the 1 day.
Apparently the guy had just stepped off the plane for an extended stay in PP.
They took from the suitcase while he was in the shower. I was told there were pool balls going out into the street and cues around the bar. Didnt get his money back though, and they were allowed back in to WA a couple of months later. Money didnt last them long hahaha.
So beware they may look innocent but they take anything they can get their hands on.
[QUOTE=Water Boy]Thanks, Billy Baht for the awesome report and photo.
Was the total cost: 10 for the girl and 4 for the room = $ 14. ??[/QUOTE]
Thanks WB :)
Correct $14 for girl and short time room
[QUOTE=Patarse]Billy sorry about the wedding plans.
I wouldnt worry too much I never saw her do more than 4 in the 1 day.
So beware they may look innocent but they take anything they can get their hands on.[/QUOTE]
Only 4 per day? Well, gotta think this through but I do lub her so much, LOL!
I hear ya Pat, they do steal. I'll bet her home village had the monster of all parties while she was hidding out back home, LOL!
[quote=iching]well aljazeera is a bit late with all this, been done with gary glitter and the press around the world. it would not surprise me if these were old reports. wake up aljazeera and actually report something happening now.[/quote]
al jazeera has pretty high standards among news agencies in spite of the feelings against it in america. it uses several high profile ex-bbc reporters and has a high degree of impartiality and transparency (if you're in hong kong, for instance, you get a better quality of news from aj than you do from cnn or bbc in se asia).
mongers go to pp generally looking for legitimate p4p. investigative journalists are looking for something quite different. there is little reason to doubt that they find it.
on the other hand, the gary glitter stories can easily bring unwarranted attention to legitimate mongers. much of the blame imo lies at the door of the george bush policies which recently linked cambodian eradication of **** to prostitution generally - and anti-condom use. awareness has been noticeably heightened, which is all to the good - i didn't see any children being offered for sale - but this is not to say it hasn't been sadly driven underground.
to its credit, al jazeera (while still giving space to contrary claims) suggests that it is mainly local trade that drives the atrocities, not foreigners.
To its credit, Al Jazeera (while still giving space to contrary claims) suggests that it is mainly local trade that drives the atrocities, not foreigners.[/QUOTE]
point taken chistopherd
And if you see the NGO posters and the NGO ads in the tourist magazines it is always a white guy hand in hand.
[QUOTE=Taloha]And if you see the NGO posters and the NGO ads in the tourist magazines it is always a white guy hand in hand.[/QUOTE]
In Beat Richner's poster/magazine, he's the only white guy. All the doctors he's trained are Cambodian (it's a policy point - he hates most of the NGOs). I think 'white guys' inspire confidence in foreign donors, rightly or wrongly. For instance, has anyone been ripped off by the Cambodian 'teach English at a local village' scam? This is not to imply that a lot - maybe most - NGOs don't have a clue. Cambodia is officially the recipient of the most badly-directed 'help' in history - thank-you U.N. But many NGOs from abroad (some good ones) are also non-white, particularly Japanese.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Cambodia is officially the recipient of the most badly-directed 'help' in history - thank-you U.N.[/QUOTE]
The UN has a history--not only in Cambodia--of establishing some of the most poorly managed development programs in the world. There are several reasons for this, one of which is the propensity of those in charge of UNDP, which funds many of the programs, to select from a third world "old boys' network" of consultants to direct the program. The consultants are highly unskilled, very often incompetent, and often interested in things other than the programs they're supposed to be administering. Another reason is that the UN pays such lousy rates that the only people it can attract are those who cannot find work with the better paying, more demanding bilateral and multilateral development agencies.
GE
[QUOTE=Water Boy]First Lover - Nice post - and great fotos
Just curious - what did you pay for bang bang with the martini girl and what did you pay for the HOD girl[/QUOTE]The Martini girl did a bit of a con on me, she went for a 20 all holes including, but when I was paying her I had nothing less than a 50 which she convniently took down to the receptionist and I got only a 20 back, but what the hell, it was only 10 bucks so I let on that I did not notice. We parted on friendly terms. The GFE and the little dark girl, both from HOD, got 20 each per one night and were both happy.
Been in Phnom Penh a couple of days now really disappointed with the bargirls so far. Awful in bed and not really interested in sex at all. Where do I find the meth girls? I need more action than I get from the bargirls.
[QUOTE=Snyggarne]Been in Phnom Penh a couple of days now really disappointed with the bargirls so far. Awful in bed and not really interested in sex at all. Where do I find the meth girls? I need more action than I get from the bargirls.[/QUOTE]I don't know why you would want these girls. They are the worst of the lot.
But if you really want to try the dirty little skanks go to the headquarters.
Walkabout Hotel. Thats where they spend their time looking for the money for the next score. Good luck with them and keep your eye on your wallet.
I went last week with my GF to Luxury World Hotel for diner. This hotel/massage/sauna/karaoke/restaurant complex is located on street 200 I believe, off Monivong. It is run by the former world-famous "Great World Massage" team.
The place mostly caters Asian customers. We had a very good diner on the open-air restaurant on the last floor and then went down on Sd floor to pick-up a massage girl for a threesome. About 50 girls in the fishbowl with Khmer, PRC and Viet girls. Very similar to GW in terms of variety and quality. They have 2 floors for massage/sauna with some VIPs room but I only checked the first one.
We picked up a nice Khmer Girl with big tits and nice rack. My GF knew her from her previous life (they worked together before...) and off we went for a very nice and clean room for a full night of naughty massage and suck and fuck action. She was definitely very experience, absolutely not shy and the idea of fucking her friend's boyfriend seemed to turn her on quite well.
Massage fee was 5$ + 20$ for the girl + 15$ for the room for the whole night + 10$ tip for the girl (as a former colleague, I could not do less...). Not very cheap but service was very good and rooms extremely clean.
All in all in a nice place for those who liked Great World Massage before. Will probably go back again without my GF for afternoon sessions. Am interested to gt additional reports on the other services provided.
Cheers,
Lulu
Luludinky - thanks for the great report. Question - is Luxury a place that foreigners who speak no Khmer can expect to succeed at?
[QUOTE=Luludinky]I went last week with my GF to Luxury World Hotel for diner. This hotel/massage/sauna/karaoke/restaurant complex is located on street 200 I believe, off Monivong. It is run by the former world-famous "Great World Massage" team.
The place mostly caters Asian customers. We had a very good diner on the open-air restaurant on the last floor and then went down on Sd floor to pick-up a massage girl for a threesome. About 50 girls in the fishbowl with Khmer, PRC and Viet girls. Very similar to GW in terms of variety and quality. They have 2 floors for massage/sauna with some VIPs room but I only checked the first one.
We picked up a nice Khmer Girl with big tits and nice rack. My GF knew her from her previous life (they worked together before...) and off we went for a very nice and clean room for a full night of naughty massage and suck and fuck action. She was definitely very experience, absolutely not shy and the idea of fucking her friend's boyfriend seemed to turn her on quite well.
Massage fee was 5$ + 20$ for the girl + 15$ for the room for the whole night + 10$ tip for the girl (as a former colleague, I could not do less...). Not very cheap but service was very good and rooms extremely clean.
All in all in a nice place for those who liked Great World Massage before. Will probably go back again without my GF for afternoon sessions. Am interested to gt additional reports on the other services provided.
Cheers,
Lulu[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Patarse]I don't know why you would want these girls. They are the worst of the lot.
But if you really want to try the dirty little skanks go to the headquarters.
Walkabout Hotel. Thats where they spend their time looking for the money for the next score. Good luck with them and keep your eye on your wallet.[/QUOTE]The vietnamese are good, I know a few vietnamese ladies in martini and sharkys. The vietnamese lady in martinis who jumps on mongers as soon as they enter said place, I know she can be a pane but she will get what you want. Like I ask for a very attractive 20 year old, which she got me. And charges you $10 for finding her which I don't mind.
[QUOTE=Stew2]Luludinky - thanks for the great report. Question - is Luxury a place that foreigners who speak no Khmer can expect to succeed at?[/QUOTE]
I would say yes, but you don't need that much english to get through the fishbowl selection process...
;-)
[QUOTE=Iching]And charges you $10 for finding her which I don't mind.[/QUOTE]
Finding her? Is the girl in the club? I assume she's not hiding under the pool table. Speaking for myself, I haven't ever needed help 'finding' the cute girls in Martini. Only time I haven't found them was when they weren't there. Anyway, to each his own. I think you could walk around the whole club in about 3 minutes and see every girl who's there, it's not a big place.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Finding her? Is the girl in the club? I assume she's not hiding under the pool table. Speaking for myself, I haven't ever needed help 'finding' the cute girls in Martini. Only time I haven't found them was when they weren't there. Anyway, to each his own. I think you could walk around the whole club in about 3 minutes and see every girl who's there, it's not a big place.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know exactly who you are talking about. She came up to me like a friend, and started chatting to me, then asked what kind of girl I like. I was too horny, and ignorant to tell her to (*&^ off. Needless to say every visit after that she would drive me crazy for about 15 minutes until I went into the disco to escape. She also had some of the girls get in on the fact that I wanted a slim girl with big tits. So like a circus show they would all grab their breast or make a joke when I passed by them in the club. I embraced it and even went to grab their tits. This ended the jokes.
Best not to speak to anyone there who solicits you. By the way the girls she would find would all be 20-25 and this is way more that normal, plus you give her a commision, to hell with that. There is no place in PP that I felt I needed help finding what I wanted, just patience.
Between the Hag, 1 foot freak at the door, and the drug dealing Africans, I find Martini's to be a bit of a freak show, but still an ok place to peruse for pussy.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]Yes, I know exactly who you are talking about. [/QUOTE]
Just for the record, [b][i]I[/i][/b] don't know who I'm talking about -- I've never actually encountered this person Iching was describing. I was just saying that it sounded like a pretty worthless 'service' being offered. I suspect the guy would get quoted higher prices as well on top of it, since he's already proven himself to be an easy mark.
Never did see Africans there either -- haven't been to PP since March, and didn't spot them there then. Quite the international flavor. Europe, America, Africa, Vietnam... it's a small world after all.
As for not speaking to anyone who solicits you, would that include the Vietnamese girl who approached me one night and asked me if I like smoking, then said "smoking is [i]very[/i] good for you" ?
[QUOTE=Alfiepcc]Hi,
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the hospital and medicine costs are for locals who have high blood pressure. I have a girl who claims that her mom spends $30 on each hospital visit. It sounds like too much as I don't believe many locals can afford that.
I suspect her mom is hooked on drugs. Is that resonable to believe?[/QUOTE]
Alfie,
I don't want to disappoint you but I got back last week from 2 weeks in PNH, and it's not been my first there.
Almost EVERY Girl will claim that she has a sick sister/grandmother/father/brother/buffalo whatever.
No, I am not a totally cynic asshole, it's just the way it is.
I do have my experiences and I actually wouldn't mind to help out a girl if I liked her and she was in dire need, alas, all you get is lies...sometimes good and elaborate lies, but nevertheless lies.
The fact that Cambodia is a rock-bottom poor country doesn't change that.
My advice... drop her.
Folks,
got back last week from two weeks in PNH and thought I should provide a short summary.
Phnom Penh is changing quickly as those of us who visit frequently can sure confirm.Regrettably the city - and the whole country of Cambodia - is loosing its particular charme and getting more and more NGO friendly and rip-off.
Girls got pushy and a number of them demand unreasonable fees. Almost all of them will try to tell you those stories about sick relatives, dead buffalos etc. Needless to say it's almost always a lie.
Still, there are a few decent places but one has to know his way around. My trusty Tuk-Tuk driver Hen kept me out of trouble and got me all I wanted without asking for more than his 10 USD/evening flat fee (and he DOES have to do quite a bit of driving for that). Gave him a 50$ bonus before I left as appreciation for his honesty and courtesy which I normally never do, LOL.
One needs to look twice at girls from Martini and Sharky's now. I found that I better give them a short-time test pop in a nearby guesthouse before taking them for the night - that will prevent some serious disappointment !
There are some older girls now hanging out especially in Martini's and Sharky's, their service is MUCH better than those 18+ Viet chicks.
Advice: Avoid girls which are on Yaba (Crystal Meth) like the plague!
In my second night I banged some 30+(real exception) named Raina from Martini. She was clearly 30+, tall (1.75), big provocative boobs and a real good lay.
Did her four times all over - agreed fare was 20 but I gave her 30 as she was nice, horny and not pushy at all.4th day I took a tiny Viet named Lee from Martini's. Avoid her, she's heavily on dope and will tell you sad stories 24/7, none of them true. Has a tendency to show up with g/f's and sisters at 3 am in your hotel without announcement, LOL.
Bunny bar has some real nice girls doing full service for 60$ a night (60$ for two which is OK, great service).
Still, best value is still LCC. Go there, take 2 girls for a good pop (and these honeys ain't a lil'bit shy :-) ) and if you like them take them out to your hotel for 60 or 80$ a night (again, 60 or 80 for both together). What I like about the LCC girls is that they are really fun to be with and never tell you any b/s about sick relatives and so on.
Wanted to look for "Orange girls" but got warned off by my trusty driver Hen... he showed me two guys with digicams actually waiting for their NGO-paper cover shot.
Stay away from the monument area, it's not worth it !
Mama-San in Martini still gets me a good selection of girls of my taste. Treat her with a drink or give her a 5, it's worth it. Tip the barkeeper in Martini, he'll give you some pretty good advice if you ask nicely.
Tried my luck with a stunning and sweet waitress in the riverside cafe - angel face, super figure and long brown hair one could die for. Took her out twice but didn't get that far...obviously she was kind of exceptional, no demand for money but she wanted some kind of commitment which I'm not willing to give, LOL.
ZanziBar and Shanghai were still a waste of time.
Walkabout is always worth a look but too many druggies.
Met a goodlooking Philippine about 35 who is Manager of some kind in a local garment factory. Took her out for dinner twice and banged her whole night like mad, 2nd night with her Khmer colleague. She's horny as hell but obviously has problems to get hooked up there, LOL. Safe to say the best f*** I had in years and even without charge :-).
Summary: Phnom Penh is still worth a trip - if you know where to go and what to look for. Don't be shy to say "no" and make clear what you want. Almost everything is on sale in Phnom Penh for $$$.
Unlike Thailand it is usually not advised to show too much of decency and ask the girl for breakfast. Cambodian girls are used to be treated like dirt, so regrettably they hardly appreciate a bit of friendliness. That being said please don't make it a general rule, there are also sweet and lovely girls but they're hard to come by, especially in our circles, LOL.
All in all - Tip well, stay calm, avoid to get into arguments. Leave you wallet and valuables in the Hotel room safe and carry only cash for the night.
Use a permanent Tuk-Tuk driver, that'll pay off.
Being a bit paranoid in PNH doesn't hurt the least ;-)
Since I am done with my 08 annual leave I will likely go back in Feb or March 09 - planned to go to Saigon first, then Thailand for holiday and a few days senseless banging in PNH again. I'll be interested to read here what will go in in the meantime in that still fascinating city.
Anyone knows whether Laos and Myanmar is worth it ?
Cheers & Have fun, Kenny
One more thing: It pays off to have a mobile with you and collect the numbers of the girls you like, or to call your Tuk-Tuk driver.
Problem is that you can't get a prepaid SIM-card any more in PNH without a copy of your passport and I am not willing to provide that. There are NO reasons to give anyone except the hotel and the immigration guys your passport!
Simply ask your Tuk-Tuk driver or a girl to get you the card with their ID. Cost is 3 to 5 $ (although sometimes there are free promo's) and 5 $ top-up will last you two weeks if you make no overseas calls.
Avoid carrying flashy phones and especially PDA's or Blackberry's in Phnom Penh. I use my old Motorazr for that purpose which is no loss if stolen.
You do need a triband phone at least, though, or buy an older Nokia or LG locally for 20 $.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]
Problem is that you can't get a prepaid SIM-card any more in PNH without a copy of your passport and I am not willing to provide that.[/QUOTE]
When I was there earlier this year, prepaid SIM-cards were easily available in the street of the market near the river front (Phsar Chas/Street 13?) for a few dollars.
months of police raids on brothels have driven prostitutes onto the streets and into conflict with local authorities; but despite the nightly arrests, the situation is not improving.
sex workers wait for customers in phnom penh's wat phnom district.
months of brothel busts have led to a sharp spike in street-based prostitution, pitting gangsters and pimps against local authorities in a battle for control of the capital's streets and parks.
but as local authorities struggle to maintain public order, nightly arrests and well-publicised rights abuses at detention centres are making prostitutes and their pimps fight back with an unprecedented vengeance.
"i have become the target of the pimps. they sometimes want to murder me," said pich socheata, daun penh district's deputy governor who leads street patrols to crack down on public soliciting.
the kingdom's new anti-trafficking legislation came into effect in february, and punishes soliciting sex with one to six days in detention or a 3,000 to 6,000 riel (us$0.75 to $1.50) fine.
but rights groups claim the legislation has been used by police as a licence to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and rob. two ministry of social affairs detention centres - the phnom penh social affairs centre and kos romdoul centre - have been singled out for the abuses of detainees there.
rights groups add that the detainees have not been charged with a crime.
"i was arrested while i was out walking with some friends," said srey ni, 27, a sex worker who was held at the ministry of social affairs-run rehabilitation center prey speu for four months.
"the conditions were horrible, like i'd imagine it was at tuol sleng. i received no education and was only let outside once during the time i was there, to cut the grass with scissors. i was released when the staff felt i had finished my sentence," srey ni said.
ineffective approach
authorities say the crime problem leaves them overstretched and with no choice but to hold offenders in detention centres.
the conditions were horrible, like i'd imagine it was at tuol sleng.
"robbery and prostitution have increased by two percent in our area compared with last year," said deputy governor pich socheata.
according to daun penh district statistics, a street patrol last year - which in daun penh cover streets 108, 106 and the area around wat phnom - would net between 10 and 15 cases of robbery and prostitution. this year they are arresting about 30 prostitutes per night.
despite the number of arrests, the authorities acknowledge the current approach isn't working as a long-term solution.
"we send those women to different organisations whose programs support women's basic rights. but they just return to their old jobs after two or three months," said pich socheata.
but the spike in crime caused by the rise in street-based prostitution leaves them with little option but to continue with nightly arrests.
"we would like ngos to come with us when we try and arrest these girls so they can see how difficult it is," she added.
too much to handle
even the five ngos mandated to work with social affairs ministry on the rehabilitation of sex workers admit the approach is a problem.
according to nop sarin sreyroth, secretary general of the cambodian women's crisis centre, moving the battle over prostitution onto the streets has failed.
already overstretched local authorities have no choice but to try to remove the sex workers from the area due to the public order implications of their soliciting.
in the process, the sex workers themselves are made far more vulnerable to theft and gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
for the month of october, cwcc received 19 people who were sent from the ministry and all of them returned to the street, said muong mearadey, head of cwcc's phnom penh office.
"we offer counseling and vocational training programs, but most girls do not want to stay in the organisation so we send them back to the streets," she said.
according to naly pilorge, director of licadho, the government needs to radically change the way it deals with homeless people in phnom penh's streets.
"arresting them and locking them up in so-called social affairs centres, where they are at high risk of physical and sexual abuse by the staff, does nothing to address the real issues of why people are living or working on the streets," she told the post on tuesday.
mu sochua, the sam rainsy party's deputy secretary general, also said that the government needed a clear strategy if it were serious about curbing street-based prostitution.
"i think the government has not had any proper solution to the problem because it has existed for 10 to 20 years already," she said.
a total of 537 women were arrested for soliciting in the first nine months of the year, according to statistics from the anti-trafficking ngo afesip.
I will be in PP Next week for the festival ! !
Rights groups condemn the government's latest roundup of homeless
THE Phnom Penh Municipality has launched a pre-Water Festival crackdown on homelessness that has seen at least 40 people detained, including two children in its first day.
"We arrest them only for big national celebrations to keep order and create a good atmosphere during the celebrations, especially the Water Festival," Pich Socheata, Daun Penh district deputy governor, told the Post Tuesday.
"We start to collect the street people one week before the Water Festival. In 2007, we arrested 70 people before the festival started. If we add up the number of people we arrested last year, there were 200 or 300," she said.
The roundup, which began Sunday and ends Friday, focuses on 11 Phnom Penh communes. Those detained are kept at Ministry of Social Affairs rehabilitation centres, Pich Socheata added.
But rights groups and the United Nations have lashed out at the crackdown.
"It is not by rounding up poor people from the street that one struggles effectively against poverty," said Christophe Peschoux, head of the UN Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights.
"This is done in the name of beautification, but there is no beauty in collecting poor people from the street and sending them to so-called rehabilitation centres - which are de facto detention centres," he added.
The Water Festival, which runs next Tuesday to Thursday, is expected to attract millions of visitors from Cambodia and abroad.
Phnom Penh Police Chief Touch Naruth said at a conference last Thursday that NGOs were unfairly criticising the pre-festival dragnet.
"We always hear the accusation from civil society groups when we arrest people in public places. They say we violate their freedoms and we never give them skills, but through this conference, I would like to deny that we ever do what they are accusing us," he said.
"If we really did what they say we are doing, there wouldn't be homelessness in Cambodia ... those street people are not willing to stay in the centres that we offer," he added.
He said the government faces serious resource shortages but was making a genuine effort to help street people find alternative ways of life.
One Phnom Penh resident complained that her son had been falsely detained for a drug offence.
"Last night they arrested my son and daughter, who are under the age of 25, by accusing them of using drugs. But I believe that they do not use drugs at all," said San Heang, 53.
"They said they arrested my children to make order for the city. Please, I would like to get them back," she said.
"I understand that having beggars is really not good for the city. But what can be done?" she asked.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]
Almost EVERY Girl will claim that she has a sick sister/grandmother/father/brother/buffalo whatever.
[/QUOTE]
Sounds like they've learned a thing or two from the Thais. My last visit 6 months ago, to PP, really felt a lot like Thailand in lots of ways. Unfortunatley, the cambos feel the gold rush has arrived!
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Still, best value is still LCC.[/QUOTE]
I'm in town now and I couldn't agree more. The hostess bar scene is still good fun, but you can spend a whole lot of money and time and end up with nothing or nearly nothing. LCC always seems to satisfy.
And touristy isn't the word for this town now that the high season has started. I went to the FCC today for a beer at sunset and it was standing room only, everyone clutching their Lonely Planet and the whole place feeling like, I dunno . . . Singapore or something. Ah well, Asia moves on.
Arrived from Snooky yesterday. First impressions is, wow, the place has tarted itself up since my last visit, but quickly discovered that this consists of doing up the Siowath Quay river frontage (a work in progress) whilst behind this thin coat of veneer, the old PP lives and breathes. Checked in at the Cozyna (recommended by several on this forum) which has clean, functional rooms for $23 in a great location. The fact that it does not have a lift and I’m on a higher floor is a plus as I need the exercise after several weeks of gorging on delicious local foods have expanded my waistline. Imagine the whining from female visitors to my room, though. I can’t wait:D.
One thing I have noticed is the increase in traffic volume, particularly those pesky 2 stroke monstrosities that are the bane of many SE Asian/Chinese cities. Within a couple of hours of arrival last night, I was nearly decapitated by one. They are invariably driven by morons who seem to look everywhere except the direction in which they are driving. They are also driven on sidewalks or against the traffic so you need 360% vision. A stroll in formerly pleasant walking cities such as Georgetown, HCMC or PP, is now about as much fun as a game of Russian Roulette. Thank god they haven’t taken off in a very big way in the Philippines or I would relocate to Milton Keynes ;).
Pissed it down with rain last night so started off with a glass of red and a steak in the rather nice, swishy new brasserie next to the Cozyna. Then importuned a rather bedraggled looking tuk tuk driver to whip me up Ph 104 where I had beers in a couple of incredibly noisy bars, populated by scores of shrieking girls. It was all too much for my frazzled nerves (I had just had my near death experience) so didn’t investigate the wares too closely and made a quick getaway. Did I miss something? From the quality of the girls I did see, I think not, but maybe I need to investigate further when in a calmer frame of mind.
So found an even more bedraggled tuk tuk driver who smilingly offered to take me anywhere for $2. How about Milton Keynes I quipped, which he seemed to find inordinately funny. He must know Milton Keynes. PP tuk tuckers are so different from their snarling, scheming, scamming brothers in Bangkok – wonder for how long? So he chugged me out to Martini’s in his poor underpowered, spluttering tuk tuk, being overtaken by Khmer grannies, driving zimmer frames, on the way.
Well Martini’s has not changed one whit. Immediately accosted by several desperate looking Viets on my way to the bar. The place was fairly quiet due to the horrible weather no doubt, and so the girls there were worried they wouldn’t make their beer money. Offered all kinds of perverse and deviant pleasures by a couple of old Viet hags, before my eyes alighted on a tiny little Viet spinnerette (my kinda gal) and her taller, willowy friend. Unfortunately the small girl had a voice like a badly tuned foghorn, and I quickly decided that she would reduce me to a quivering, jelly man in short order if I took her. Her attitude stunk as well. The willowy, skinnier bint, however, was promising and became even more so when she introduced me to her 18 year old sister (she was 20). Yeah, yeah I said, but they definitely looked like sisters so maybe are. You Martini regulars might know the girls – forget their names but they are from Chau Doc. Are they really sisters?
Unfortunately, the younger sister was otherwise occupied. Damn. The older sister was trying to interest me in a 3some for $30 all in, her and a choice of 1 from 4 of her mates. Thought why not and chose a not particularly attractive girl but who had a good attitude (she had been giving me a rather pleasant shoulder massage for ages). So off we chugged, with the 3rd caped and bedraggled tuk tucker of the evening, back to the hotel. As expected the girls whined and moaned at the pre-coital exercise expected of them in the ascent of Mount Cozyna!
Wish I could say that the service was good but it wasn’t, really. It was about as professional and non-GFE as you could get and they both worked hard to get me off as quick as they could so that they could get on their bikes. I gritted my teeth and nearly bust a gut playing things out as long as I could. Quite proud that I held out for nearly an hour of their combined oral and genital persuasion before I reluctantly had to give best. They were really whining by the end. Must have had another appointment :D.
The younger one had a really good, tight body with a cute little butt. The other girl, sadly, didn’t and although she swore that she was childless, she looked, unclad, like she had mared a litter. Nice brown skin, however, in counterpoint to her much paler skinned mate.
Not altogether an unpleasant way to spend an hour for a derisory $30. As an amusing after note, 5 minutes after they had whirlwinded their way out, there was a timid knock at the door. They were back but not for seconds. They had lost their way in the, admittedly, confusing hotel and wanted me to act as guide in the descent of Mount Cozyna. Being the gentleman that I am, I acceded, and what is more, didn’t charge for the service:D.
P.S If you are in any way of a nervous or highly strung nature, stay out of PP streets between 5-7 each evening when madness prevails. And definitely stay out of PP next week when the Boat Festival happens, and the place goes really mad. I once had the dubious delight of been in PP at that time and I can tell you the streets get so crowded that you have to go back to your hotel room to breathe and turn around. Its sheer chaos.
I've been to Thailand many times. I'm scheduled to fly in to PP last Friday night. Any suggestion, leaving the airport, hotel, etc. Or anybody currently there to show me the ropes, have a beer. I can afford more than a budget hotel, pool would be nice to. Also going to Siem Reap, haven't decided which place first.
[QUOTE=El Culion]When I was there earlier this year, prepaid SIM-cards were easily available in the street of the market near the river front (Phsar Chas/Street 13?) for a few dollars.[/QUOTE]
When I've been there in June I had no problem as well getting a SIM-Card. October, though, things had changed and four outlets demanded to see my passport.
Probably one could wiggle around it with a few $$$, but why ? Cheaper and more convenient to find a proxy :-)
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]When I've been there in June I had no problem as well getting a SIM-Card. October, though, things had changed and four outlets demanded to see my passport.
Probably one could wiggle around it with a few $$$, but why ? Cheaper and more convenient to find a proxy :-)[/QUOTE]
When I was in PNH this February, my driver, Sovan Mee, got me a SIM-card.
But I paid him USD 20/day for his (other) services. This time I would not need him, so I would probably have tip a 'proxy' $10, unless it was a long term GF.
So might as well 'wiggle around it with a few $$$' at the hotel or a mobile phone shop and promise to return the SIM there.
Btw. there is a suitable mobile shop right accross the street from Flamingos
[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Did I miss something?[/QUOTE]
Personally I like 104 St. It's the coziest of the bar areas in PP, and some of the bars can be good fun. Basically it comes down to poking your head (the big one) into every bar on the street and finding one that feels right. Generally I prefer places like Rose with slightly older girls to the ones like One Zero Four with bunches of clueless virgins just in from the countryside. Even at Rose and the like there's no assurance that any particular girl will actually go with customers, so it's better treated as a drinking scene than a sure-thing mongering one. Though there have been some nice surprises over the years . . . .
Yes, One Zero Four girls do go with customers LT. I had two. But the negotiated price was $40 LT. Both girls I took were young and had great bodies.
For some reason Cambodian girls pussy has no hint of smell at all.
One Zero Bar also has short time rooms upstairs. I never tried it, i would much prefer LT and they do stay next day.
Heart of darkess did not have much of a pick. Most the girls there came accompanied. It is turning out to be a tourist Disco bar.
Walkabout had some good looking girls. Lt price is $25-30.
Martni had two types of girls. More ugly ones seem to be cambodian and some viet good looking. Seems like all good looking girls had mamasans.
I had some good success in the casino. Many good looking girls hang out there but asking price was $50 LT.
They get lots of gamblers who are staying in the upstairs hotel.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Yes, One Zero Four girls do go with customers LT. [/QUOTE]Well, some do. Others don't, full stop. And the main problem is even some of the ones who go are so young and clueless that there's not much point.
Seriously, I think that if you have more than a few days here, you find a favorite bar and become a regular. It's almost the only way to get the really nice ones.
I still like this town, but frankly the Walkabout is looking better and better . . . .
uh... those prices are why walkabout is still thre best place in town.
[QUOTE=Sammon]
I had some good success in the casino. Many good looking girls hang out there but asking price was $50 LT.
They get lots of gamblers who are staying in the upstairs hotel.[/QUOTE]
Which casino? Where is it? Name?
Anyone know, Casa Hotel, Juliana. I'm considering these
The name is Naga casino. It is next to big Cambodiana Hotel.
If you gamble they give a coupon for free buffet western type dinner there also.
Most of the girls just hang around away from the gaming floor. Just try to chat up carefully because they do not want to be thought of as call girls.
They do try to hit you up for lot of money but if you negotiate they will come down. They are used to gamblers who do not care for money.
Spent the second day doing normal touristy things which mainly involved dodging hoards of beggars, amputees, kids, pimps, prostitutes, moto and tuk tuk drivers with their invariable ‘Want *****, mister’ – add a word from the following … massage, girl, boy, ride, tour, drugs, lonely planet guides etc etc. Made an interesting side trip to Tuol Sleng, which was Pol Pot’s chief extermination and torture centre. Formerly a school, it’s a very bleak and somber place which has a similar dark, haunted atmosphere of Bergen Belsen or Auschwitz. Really puts everything into perspective. Otherwise just hung out on the riverside and watched the preparations for the boat festival. Lots of girls milling around and received a few sweet smiles and ‘hello’s’ but mainly just friendly Khmer behavior and didn’t particularly get the impression that they were available. Might be wrong though and I imagine a little application and effort could reap rich dividends.
In the evening, headed back to 104 as I was sure their must be better bars than the dumps I had ventured into the first night. There was. Roses Bar in a more relaxed, ‘normal’ bar with plenty of attractive girls (some 7’s and 8’s) and a more muted, laid back ambience, with decidedly better music. Chatted for a while with a cute, little, very dark skinned 23 year old Khmer girl who said she had only been back in the bar a week after a spell away in her village. She stressed the point that she had not been barfined since her return to work. Was interested but surprised that the BF is $10 and she wanted $40 LT, although I got the feeling that she was trying it on and was very open to lower offers. But wanted to eat and look in other places so told her I would do an Arnold. Monsoon’s closed so had some Indian nosh in the Kebab Shop – pretty tasty with a very friendly, helpful Indian manager.
I then decided to check out the Golden Vine on 51 as it has received some positive reports here. Right after I arrived, the heavens opened and it rained stair rods for 90 minutes so I was stuck there whether I liked it or not. Must admit that I was a initially a little disappointed with the choice as there was only a couple that I would describe as bonkable 6-7’s with the rest 5’s or below. They were mostly older girls than those in Rose’s as well, some well into their 30's I would say. Then locked eyes with a sexy and slender Viet and she sashayed on over. Her name was Han and she was 30. Nice figure and an interesting face. I would describe her as looking like the love child of Michael Jackson and Victoria Beckham, if you can visualize such a creature and it does not put you off your lunch. But she oozed sexuality and promised me all sorts of carnal delights so big brain switched off and hello little brain. Must admit she turned out be the best lay in Cambodia, so far, very experienced and quickly deduced what turned my crank and we had a great time. Paid for her LT but let her go after a few hours as I sleep much better alone these days. Well worth the $20 plus a $5 dollar tip that I gave her. Recommended.
My last night in PP, I headed to Walkabout Bar. And I thought LA Café was a rough dive, but Walkabout’s makes that place look like a sophisticated nightclub. Plenty of girls about though and a few stunners but many with that glazed, 1000 yard stare of FL’s who have partied a little more than is good for them. So after a game of pool and watching the footie for a while, I decided to finish off up at Martini’s again, to see if the sisters from the first night were about and available. They were not but quickly hooked up with a tiny (4’ 9”), 20 year old, walking Khmer whirlwind called Mok who blew me away. As it was my last night in town, I reluctantly agreed to her unbending demand for $30 LT, as she was an absolute stunner. Wish I could say that she turned out to be a Duracell fuck bunny in bed as well, but unfortunately that was not the case and her BJ was perfunctory at best and, although I got her squirming a bit when yum yumming her tight little pussy, she was basically a bit of a starfish. Had a cracking body though but would not allow any photo’s, even fully clothed. So many of these girls seemed to have wised up to the David Baileys amongst the mongering fraternity and unless sweetened with a big tip, do not allow pix.
On my way out to Martini’s, I saw plenty of upmarket looking hostess clubs. Are these a local preserve or can anybody play? Are they expensive and can girls be BF’d from them? If I was in town longer I might be tempted to try them.
So on to Siem Reap and Battambang, where I am sure there will be mongering opportunities, and if they are worth taking then I might just indulge and report back. Otherwise it back into traveler mode until I return to Thailand.
G
this will be my first time, if anybody would like to meet for a beer and maybe show me the ropes let me know. My e-mail is [email]gpb59@hotmail.com[/email]
What is the usual cost to go from the airport to town? I'm going to the juliana hotel .
Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way. Also since you don't know, Jackson does not allow members to post their email addresses in the forum.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way.[/QUOTE]
Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
[i](ps found my earlier PP report with links if it's of interest to newcomers [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791949&postcount=1391[/url] [/i] But bear in mind it's just my taste - I don't like the foreign themed bars or certain areas.)
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way. Also since you don't know, Jackson does not allow members to post their email addresses in the forum.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about the email post, is it allowed in a private message?
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
Another question, do you have any link for information on traveling to thailand. I've read the horror stories of length of time traveling on land, 8 hours turning into 13,14 hours. I'm inclined to fly to BKK unless there is some legitimate way to go overland that will take the time it's supposed to take.
[QUOTE=Berny X][QUOTE=Christopherd]Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.[/quote]
Another question, do you have any link for information on traveling to thailand. I've read the horror stories of length of time traveling on land, 8 hours turning into 13,14 hours. I'm inclined to fly to BKK unless there is some legitimate way to go overland that will take the time it's supposed to take.[/QUOTE]
Berny - hate to say this - but have you thought of spending some time going thru the forum? You'll find the answers to most of your questions if you just go back thru the posts instead of asking everyone to do it for you. But quickly, flights to BKK cost next to nothing.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
[i](ps found my earlier PP report with links if it's of interest to newcomers [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791949&postcount=1391[/url] [/i] But bear in mind it's just my taste - I don't like the foreign themed bars or certain areas.)[/QUOTE]Christopherd,
All taxi inside the PP airport charge 7 usd to town ,the airport charge a fee for taxi driver options is take a moto bike or walk outside the airport to main rd to catch a taxi for about 4 usd if you don't have alot of baggage but just to save a few buck not a good thing.
Fast eddie 48
Water Festival was a blast last week in PP. I know many people say to stay away during this time, but I had alot of fun. Compared to last year, not alot of crime as police did a crackdown months before the festival and had 10,000 police and gendarmerie in PP for the festival. It was estimated that 3.5 million people were there for the last day. Also they had 21 light boats on the river this year vice 8 from last year. The light boats were very nice to look at at night when they were all lit up. It led to a real festive look and feel.
As for the play part. I bar hopped and settled at Rose club for one evening. The girls were very friendly and there were alot of pretty ones. I settled on one at the end of the night (see photo section) and went back to the hotel. Did pretty much the standard things with her. She stayed the night and I gave her $20 in the morning.
At one of the massage places, I found a PRC girl. She was about 5'7" and spoke not a lick of english. She gave a great massage and then on the flip I got her naked and stroking me. When sufficiently hard dove into that pussy while she did bbbj. I got her off 2x before I mounted her. She came another 2x before I came. She had great muscle control too and did a little milking of me at the end. I saw her 2 more times during the day as my Viet sweetie stayed most nights with me (see photo section). My viet sweetie besides speaking vietnamese also is fluent in Khmer, chinese and some english.
I will be back for Water Festival next year :)
Have noticed a few posts about getting to Bangkok - i am sure they meant Pattaya. This is how i did it....
PP - Koh Kong (border town) Lim Vireak Bus 8 AM 5 hrs 12 usd
Koh Kong - cambodian border 20 mins moto 100 baht 3 / usd
Thai border - Trat 1 hr 15 songthaew/or if lucky mini bus (every 30 mins)
Trat - Pattaya - 15.00 4 hrs Minibus 300 baht / 9 usd
Getting in time for the 15. 00 from Trat is vital. As high season nears, there will be more operators doing the PP. Koh Kong route. Youve got to try and get the earliest one.
The Trat minibus operator runs from Trat town centre on Sukhumvit road.
The journey can be done in reverse but you will never make the 12. 00/13. 00 buses from Koh Kong to PP (at present there is only an 8am! ). Instead take a taxi. They are fast and cheap. If you refuse to pay ridiculous first quotes. I always get them for 15 bucks (sinouk or pp) which is just a bit more than a bus actually. And I never take one where they stuff 4 in the back seat either.
You also need to know the tel no. For the minibus in advance. Any travel agent will scam you up to 800 baht.
This way saves money on the 38 usd PP-Pattaya I ve seen advertised and by breaking up the journey, it certainly beats the 12 hrs on a BKK bus too.
If you walk outside the airport to one of the tuk-tuks just outside, you can go to pretty much any hotel in town for $3. It just takes staying firm on your price when they try to complain that it is too far, you have too many bags, gas is too expensive, etc. Actually, you can almost certainly get one for $2, but after a flight I am never in the mood to bargain hard. There is absolutely no negotiating with any of the drivers whose vehicles are inside the gates, so just walk past them as quickly as possible.
Returned from Bangkok on the Wednesday night, last night of bon oom dtook. Fucken taxis demanded nine dollars minimum within the airport.
Told them and the tuks to get fucked.
Ended up sitting on the bags waiting for a taxi that never came and had to take a tuktuk back to bkk1 for five bucks, traffic and pedestrians were terrible as we got to monivong, now understood the taxi surcharge.
Anyway we got home eventually, god I hate the water festival.
[quote=phil istine]fucken taxis demanded nine dollars minimum within the airport.
told them and the tuks to get fucked.
ended up sitting on the bags waiting for a taxi that never came and had to take a tuktuk back to bkk1 for five bucks, traffic and pedestrians were terrible as we got to monivong, now understood the taxi surcharge.
[/quote]
i think there's some good points there. it can be a pretty dusty, unlovable road. i was pleased i'd brought one of those stretchy head scarfs that double as a face mask. but i remember wondering in the tuktuk whether it was really worth the difference to experience all the environmental 'loveliness'. depends on my mood i suppose. i'd consider a moto for speed when my luggage was just a small backpack. but especially returning to the airport, after a nice clean shower, do i really want to sit on a plane covered in all that pp air pollution? or gratis a tuktuk that saves me a measly amount after i stand at the 'kerb' with lorries spouting fumes at me while i wait??
We have used the metred taxis to get to the airport recently.The charge is about $7 but the drivers never know the best way to go.
From my part of town getting onto st 271 and then the toll road,solar road is always quick apart from around the bridge works in stung meanchay.
Hi,
I'm looking to visit P/P and Siem Reap in Dec for 1 week. Was wondering if anyone can recommend some good hotels in either places and bars/pubs which is a must to go a visit (time is limited and want to just go to the highly recommended places - shorlisted hotels to stay and bars/pubs).
Thanks in advance.
Osid6,
I worked in PP several years back and still visit from time to time. I try to stay at the Flamingo Hotel, its near Walkabout and Shanghi bars. They have a website and can pick you up at the airport. I haven't stayed there ina few months, but I don't think things have changed. Just be sure to email them ASAP. Just my thoughts.
[QUOTE=Bulik]Osid6,
I worked in PP several years back and still visit from time to time. I try to stay at the Flamingo Hotel, its near Walkabout and Shanghi bars. They have a website and can pick you up at the airport. I haven't stayed there ina few months, but I don't think things have changed. Just be sure to email them ASAP. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Flamingo is ok. They have a website (must google, don't have the address handy sorry) and you should make a reservation thru the website or else risk showing up and the hotel being fully booked. I did make a reservation and this happened to me anyway -- after pressing my case and showing them the printed email from them confirming my reservation, I managed to get a room.
That said, if your priority is being near Walkabout and Heart of Darkness, Flamingo is good. If not, the big drawback in that area is a lack of selection of food. Riverfront is the best area if you want some variety in what you eat, and convenience. Prices over there are about the same. There's also some decent places just a block or 2 from the riverfront that are nice and a tad cheaper.
A place I saw that's much nicer than Flamingo, in the same area, and includes a nice pool: Billabong. Again, you have to google it.
Flamingo's site.
[url]http://www.flamingos.com.kh/index.php[/url]
Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.
Thank you all for your help. All i need is some names of recommended places and ill google them up and do my own research.
A friend of mine recently sent me some links and informing of a shooting in Heart of Darkness. He also showed me a link to some crazy things Hun Sen's nephews have done - apparently Hun Sen's nephew in law is the new head of police. Are the bars there really as dangerous as it seems. Or will things be alright if you mind your own business and always be respectful.
As you can tell im very inexperienced.
If its not too much trouble can you throw some names of hotels you know in Sieam Reap also? We will be spreading our time between these two cities.
Thanks very much in advance.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure? I could have sworn I'd seen posts here in this thread about guys who'd stayed there and brought girls back. Could be wrong. Did you go there yourself and check? I did go there to take a look at it, didn't stay since I was just in PP a couple days and had already checked into Flamingo. And no, I didn't actually ask if it was GF cuz I was assuming it was, based on reports I'd seen here. Tho -- like I said, I could be wrong.
It's a big step up from Flamingo in terms of comfort, I gotta say. Much nicer. Tho if you're right, that sure would throw a wrench in the works.
Let me do a search in this thread and see what comes up... not doubting you, just wanna see whatever it is I saw way back when that gave me this idea.
OK I came across these 2 conflicting reports:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=620950&highlight=billabong#post620950[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=599493&highlight=billabong#post599493[/url]
These are the only 2 in the thread that deal with this issue. The one saying they are GF seems more first-hand. Either way, sounds like even if it is GF at all, it's not nearly as GF as Flamingo.
It'd be great if there was a place that was as nice as Billabong, with a pool, that was GF. Days are really boring in PP. A pool would be perfect. I have to admit, I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).
[QUOTE=Wendella]I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).[/QUOTE]True, their restaurant sucks, but there are plenty of good local places within a couple minutes walk up or down Pasteur. And many more around the corner toward Sorya and the Central Market, including Pho Olympic, maybe the best pho place in town.
No problem with a girl at all. Highly recommend! Seem girl friendly. Never a problem, different girl everyday or night.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.[/QUOTE]
I am absolutly 100% sure. I live here and keep up with punter related topics, as that is all I do here.
A friend of mine that came in from Thailand only last week tried to take a girl to the pool there. He even checked with them first. When he got there he was refused entry or service.
Just for confirmation check out there home page. At the bottom in capitol letters.
SEX TOURISTS ARE NOT WELCOME.
[url]http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Ultra Pilot][b]Billabong was great![/b]
No problem with a girl at all. Highly recommend! Seem girl friendly. Never a problem, different girl everyday or night.[/QUOTE]
Well, we seem to have a clear first-person testimony that it's GF after all. Billabong is more expensive, for sure, but what you get in return seems worth it (great atmosphere, nice pool with poolside bar/restaurant). It's a block away from Flamingo, so whatever Flamingo has in the vicinity, Billabong does too.
[QUOTE=Betong]True, their restaurant sucks, but there are plenty of good local places within a couple minutes walk up or down Pasteur. And many more around the corner toward Sorya and the Central Market, including Pho Olympic, maybe the best pho place in town.[/QUOTE]
Hm. I walked around that area and didn't find these spots. Open daytime? Got any specifics? In any case, I'm sure offerings there aren't anything like what you would see over by the riverfront, with choices of any kind of cuisine and all different price ranges. The lakeside also has lots of food choices but I'd never stay there... the lake is filthy, for one. The accommodations are a big step down -- rough, basically. Cots and fans. There's another area on the south side of town that I haven't explored thoroughly yet, but there are a good number of places to eat down there. I mean, foreigner-oriented places to eat. I don't go in for the streetside mystery-meat soups or gerbil spleen stew you can get for ultra-cheap.
Feeling quite jaded aft few night rounds in HOD, Martinis and along others on st104. Overall quite satisfied with the Khmer gals here. Try look for Lia or Nia in Martini..you will see the diffirence.
Can anyone suggest a good place for massage and with happy ending? thanks
Fton
[QUOTE=Wendella]I mean, foreigner-oriented places to eat. I don't go in for the streetside mystery-meat soups or gerbil spleen stew you can get for ultra-cheap.[/QUOTE]Ah, OK, not much around Flamingo in that case. But if you like pho at all (Vietnamese beef noodle soup) do try Olympic Pho: walk north on 51, take the first left (154?) for 100m and it's on your left. 6000R, lovely stuff, especially on a hangover.
Ultra pilot may not have had a problem at Billabong Hotel but the hotel's website says sex tourists are not welcome. [url]http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/[/url]
Perhaps due to my debauchery in April. But no one there seemed to be anything but helpful and pleasant when I was there.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99]Ultra pilot may not have had a problem at Billabong Hotel but the hotel's website says sex tourists are not welcome. [url]http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
I havnt stayd there my self but it looks like it has a pool on the roof.
[url]http://www.bigluckhotel.com/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Wendella]It'd be great if there was a place that was as nice as Billabong, with a pool, that was GF. Days are really boring in PP. A pool would be perfect. I have to admit, I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).[/QUOTE]
walk up rooms ARE available at FLAMINGO - i GOT ONE FOR 2 DAYS TONITE
After the bus ride from Saigon and checking into the hotel I took a nap, got something to eat and headed to St 51 to check things out. First thing I saw was Black Cat so I went in to look around. Shortly after sitting down I was joined by a lovely lady and her English was very good so we talked for a while. Then I made a mistake, I fell in love with this 20-year-old little Cambodian girl behind the bar, her name was Niel, or something like that. (Sorry, but I’m having a heck of a time with Cambodian names) This was her first week, she was so sweet and shy yet sexy and very sexual while we were together. The lady I was with saw this and asked the girl to come and meet me, OMG, she took my breath away. The three of us moved outside and Niel was touching/massaging me as we sat and talked. The lady with us asked if I wanted to take Niel to my hotel and of course I said I’d love to but asked her to ask Niel if she wanted to go with me, she said she did. Then I asked how much and how long, it was $50.00 all night and $30.00 for 2 hours plus $5.00 bar fine. I tried to negotiate but I’d showed my hand by being so taken with Niel that they didn’t budge. I asked about services, all night, photos, DFK, sex several times and different positions, BJ, DATY, and Niel was asked if she agreed and she did. I opted for all night and I knew it was way too much but did it anyways.
Well it wasn’t worth it. In the room she took a shower, came out and turned off the lights, in bed under the covers, a couple of nice kisses, a few kisses and few licks that was supposed to be a BJ, I tried DATY but she refused, she asked for a condom and climbed on top, switched positions a couple of times, I finished doggie, she got up and went in the bathroom, came out and said she had to go. Seeing that she wasn’t what I thought/hoped it would be I told her OK. She asked for the 50 but I gave her 20 and kicked her out. When she was gone I turned on the lights and discovered that Niel was on the rag! It was everywhere.
The next night I went back to the Black Cat, Niel was all smiles when she saw me, was she thinking I came back to get her again? LOL I told the lady I was first with and who help broker the deal that I was pissed because Niel was a liar. She said she knew what happened and was sorry. I told her it just wasn’t right and I was going to tell all my friends to stay away from the Black Cat because the girls were liars and cheaters and walked out.
Mike
[QUOTE=Dinghy]walk up rooms ARE available at FLAMINGO - i GOT ONE FOR 2 DAYS TONITE[/QUOTE]
Depends on the season. My problem happened in February, and it was full again in March when I was back again.
What’s with the girls standing/working on the corner by the shopping center on Street 63? I walked by there last night and was approached by one, she asked if I wanted her to go to my hotel and sleep with me. She looked young and I walked away without asking anything.
Mike
This afternoon I just stopped in for a Coke and to rest for a while. I sat at a table with a couple of girls sitting there and started talking with them. I had no plans on taking a girl then but I did. Her name was, or sounded like, Namon, Khmer, 24, little tiny thing, kind of cute. She said she new here and has been in town for a week and hadn’t had boom-boom yet. ST $20, she moved me so I said OK.
Nothing much to write about but it was real nice. She wasn’t bleeding when she came in but she was when she left, the proof was on the towel. She took a real pounding.
OK, I’m caught up now.
Mike
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This was a much better experience.
After sitting down at the bar and getting my Coke I was approached by a young beauty and we hit it off right away. She was from Vietnam and said she had has been in PP for a few months. One thing led to another and we were down to the price. She kept saying, “Up to you” and I kept saying, “You tell me”. Finally she said $50 for all night and $40 for ST, a couple of hours and I sent her walking.
Later I was attracted to a Khmer girl that was having fun with some girlfriends at another table, she looked like a lot of fun. When she came over to the bar to get a drink a started talking to her and bought her soda for her. Her name was Seri, she sat and we talked, it got down to business and she said she could only go for ST, $20, because she had to meet a girlfriend later, and away we go.
She was fantastic and the sex was great. She was very responsive, really got into it with passionate DFK’ing, when I was sucking her tits and she came during DATY. More DFK’ing then she moved down kissing my body until she got to the good stuff, great BBBJ. She put the condom on and F***ed the hell out of me while she was on top. I got on top and she pulled her legs up to her chest and I went at it, we switched to doggie but she was too short so we moved her to the edge of the bed while I was standing, she kept rubbing herself, she came again and then I did, then I collapsed on top of her. We rested awhile, she cleaned me up, she cleaned up, and I took some photos while she got dressed, I gave her the $20, she was happy and she left.
Mike
Great reports ReallyaNiceGuy
I love reading trip reports like this, nothing special just a guy like myself and his experience in a place I love.
Keep it up. Let's hear more!
BTW you WA girl which had just arrived in town seemed to be post at least one baby - was that camera angle? Nice girl though.
now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
<interjecting a bit of human compassion and humour here...>
HOLD THE LINE YOU DUMMIES or the prices well float upward and increase the cost for EVERYONE
Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than Cambodia
PLUS - Cambodia ia a LOT poorer country than Thailand!
<sorry, just venting - and IT'S YOUR MONEY ANYWAY TO SPEND HOWEVER YOU LIKE - but - dont walk in with a "SUCKER" stamp (or would that be "pussy whipped"?) on your forehead> :)
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than Cambodia[/QUOTE]Well, apart from the lowest level of beach streetwalkers, the B500 shorttime is pretty much an endangered species in Pattaya. Even the Soi 6 uglies want and usually get B700. And while it's true that Cambodia is much poorer than Thailand, for many goods and services (including even simple food stalls) that doesn't translate into lower prices. So I'm not sure how useful that particular comparison is.
But yeah, people on forums like this one have no excuse for not knowing the market rate. My feeling is, pay whatever you want, but at least KNOW the going rate.
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]What’s with the girls standing/working on the corner by the shopping center on Street 63? I walked by there last night and was approached by one, she asked if I wanted her to go to my hotel and sleep with me. She looked young and I walked away without asking anything.
Mike[/QUOTE]
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this might have been a working girl. ;-)
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy] Her name was, or sounded like, Namon, Khmer, 24, little tiny thing, kind of cute. She said she new here and has been in town for a week and hadn’t had boom-boom yet.
Mike[/QUOTE]
Heh heh,
They only lie when their mouths are moving.
Her name is Srey Mom, and she has been in town forever. She is a semi-regular at Walkabout and has boom boomed a LOT.
But good pictures and good reporting nonetheless.
Seeing that she wasn’t what I thought/hoped it would be I told her OK. She asked for the 50 but I gave her 20 and kicked her out. When she was gone I turned on the lights and discovered that Niel was on the rag! It was everywhere.
This happened to me too. Got this chick from an escort, she kept insisting on closing all the curtains and turning off all the lights (some genuinely want darkness) then, after like a BJ, she asked if I wanted her friend to join, agreed, (friend was awesome) she kept pushing her friend to lead. I kept wondering, but insisted they both perform. Did missionary and cowgirl on both had a great time! They rushed to the bathroom cleaned up and said they had to leave because the escort chick got a call from boss to say time was up. When her boss called, she gave the phone to me and said that her boss wanted to talk to me. Asked how her service/performance was (boss didn't now her friend had joined), complemented the service and performance and promised to return. I paid, and off they went. Went to clean myself up and saw 2 blood soaked towels in the bathtub. For a split second, thought a cherry was popped haha then I realized it was no cherry. Felt pretty nasty. Called the Escort agency and reported right away. Madame answered the phone and I proceeded to explain what had happened (no mention of the 2nd girl) she said she will call me right back. She sure did in under 10 minutes, apologized and offered another girl for free! Now that is service! However, I was so disgusted, was not in a mood to dive into any pusxy.
Just be careful when they want total darkness. Maybe do some sort of a body/beaver search before proceeding. However, this was not an escort agency in Cambodia
I'm planning my first trip back to PP and Snooky after 4 years +, reading the forum shows that many things have changed, but I have one question. Are ATM's dispensing USD available in PP and Snooky?
ATM's located all over the place. No trouble finding any.
Can someone please tell be the best way to get to bangkok from Phnom Penh? I am flying in soon and with the airports closed in Bangkok I need to take bus or taxi. What are prices and timeframes?
Thanks
Betong. True, but poon is poon and cheap enough anyway. The comment about beach road poon being cheaper is correct but bar girls CAN be had for significantly LESS money IF they take a shine to you (particularly if they understand that you want to get them off first. (actually had one thank me)
Assuming of course that are WILLING TO PAY "LONG TIME" Price. She took a LONG TIME to get off the first time but was quite satisfied
Sorry I'm bit high when writing this.(drinking some of the prik 40 degrees SPICY stuff€). See other report under my handle.
Bubba. Yup. Right downstairs at flamingo in lobby. Fees. Might not be attractive though because of fees.
Your money your choice.
How do you get from Phnom to Bangkok?
What bus or can you take taxi?
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This morning was interesting, when I went down for breakfast, it’s included with the room, and sat down at the table outside, within a few minutes guess who shows up at my table, Namon from last yesterday. I asked her sit down and ask if she wants something to eat or drink, she got a Coke. We talked and she made it clear she want to see me again, read, wanted more money. I didn’t look or sound interested, just making small talk. When I finished eating and telling her good-by her desperation became clear, she offered ST for $10, ah what the hell, so up to my room we went and I had another great time with her.
I paid her and before she left she said she wanted to come back later, I told her that I was busy, she then asked about tomorrow morning, I told her I was leaving for Siem Reap early that morning, sent her on her way.
Mike
I took care of some business during the day and got to St. 51 around 9 PM. Stopped in at Shanghai to look around, nice looking younger girls working the bar, but don’t know if they go out. Most of the customers looked like locals setting with girls and I didn’t see what I were ”working” girls walking/setting around. Finished my Coke and left.
At Walkabout I talked to a few girls but nothing moved me until Mah came along. She wasn’t the beauty I wanted, still nice, but there was something about her. She offered yum-yum and anything I wanted, ST at my hotel for $15 and LT for $20, and she said if I wasn’t happy with her I didn’t have to pay so I said OK to LT, we jumped on a motorbike to my hotel.
In the room she was very sexy dancing around doing a little strip tease before saying she was going to take a shower. What was interesting was she actually took a shower, the other girls just used the bidet to rinse off. When she finished she told me to take a shower, I told her I’d just taken one, she grabbed my ass and told me to wash good so I headed to the shower.
When I cam out she was under the covers and threw them back to invite me in so I joined her. As soon as I lay down she was all over me, hot wet DFK, lots of body kisses as she made her way down. She took her time and kissed and licked all around down there while gently jacking me and kept going further down until she was AR’ing me. I guess that I my response showed her that I liked it and she stuck her tongue in, I grabbed the back of her head and encouraged her to do more and, as I lifted up, she drive in as far as she could. She came up for air and started a great BBBJ and then moved back down to my ass for some more AR. She repeated this about 8 times before climbing on top, squatting, CG and RCG. We switched and I pounded her in several positions until I was out of breath, she got back on top and I finished while she was squatting on me. WOW! The whole thing was over two hours!
After we rested she said she was hungry and asked if we could go back to Walkabout so she could get something to eat, I said sure, we cleaned up, motorbike back to the Walkabout, she ordered breakfast. Now while I took her for all night as a usual, I get tired of them and when she finished eating I told her I was not going to take her back with me, I was too tired. She kept asking if I was happy with her and I assured her I was real happy with her but needed to get some sleep. I gave her the $20 I promised for LT, and bought her breakfast, and I left alone.
Mah was a winner though! If I run into her again I’ll take her.
Mike
[QUOTE=Raptorea]How do you get from Phnom to Bangkok?
What bus or can you take taxi?[/QUOTE]
If I was there now and wanted to go to BKK, I'd take a bus down to Sihanoukville and overnight there, then take another bus to Koh Kong the next day. Can cross overland at KK to Thailand, then bus again to BKK. It's a long trip that is best spread over 2 or 3 days.
There used to be a boat from S'ville to KK, but I heard it doesn't run anymore now that the road is good.
from BKK take a bus to TRAT (Ekkamai station) then get a minibus for 120B to the border. TAKE THE BLUE AND WHITE BUS (250 B or so but I didnt use it this time) - NOT THE ORANGE STRIPE BUS THAT LEAVES AT 430 UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE 8 HOURS GETTING THERE - IT'S 3 HOURS TO PATTAYA ALONE - THE BLUE WHITE TAKES THE KLAENG CUTOFF ROAD AND TAKES ABOUT 5 HOURS TOTAL INCLUDING A QUICK STOP IN CHANTABURI.
Unless you get an electronic visa (over the net) expect to pay either $25 or 1000B (IF you are stupid enough to use one of the touts they will hold you up for 1200B - 1000 for the guys in the khaki shirts and 200 for themselves) I took a taxi with another guy. Taxi is about 2500B and you can actually split it 3 ways - but if they stop along the way for a BIG bag or 2 of rice, your bag might be in the front seat. Takes you to the main market in PP
you wont reach KK before the bus ($12) leaves at 830am.
going from Pattaya is slower - takes 5 hours or so from there - get the bus at central and sukhumvit - get off at the main bus station proceed as before Probably need to overnite in KK for $5 or so - eat before leaving - no food until the last bridge where they make a stop. The taxi went straight in - left at 130 and got in at 5. No problems until about 50km from PP - then the traffic absolutely SUCKS - THAT LAST 50KM TOOK 1.5 HOURS
[QUOTE=Cepu19]Great reports ReallyaNiceGuy
I love reading trip reports like this, nothing special just a guy like myself and his experience in a place I love.
Keep it up. Let's hear more!
BTW you WA girl which had just arrived in town seemed to be post at least one baby - was that camera angle? Nice girl though.[/QUOTE]
Actually I did see it but it wasn't a C-section. I asked her about it and she said she'd been in a taxi/truck accident and required surgery. She had several others as well.
Mike
[QUOTE=Dinghy]now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
<interjecting a bit of human compassion and humour here...>
HOLD THE LINE YOU DUMMIES or the prices well float upward and increase the cost for EVERYONE
Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than Cambodia
PLUS - Cambodia ia a LOT poorer country than Thailand!
<sorry, just venting - and IT'S YOUR MONEY ANYWAY TO SPEND HOWEVER YOU LIKE - but - dont walk in with a "SUCKER" stamp (or would that be "pussy whipped"?) on your forehead> :)[/QUOTE]
I'm sure I inspired this post. Sorry.
I'll give it another shot tonight.
And you're right about the brothels, they wanted $10. I stopped in one yesterday, looked around the drab dirty place, shown the 15 or so girls sitting on a bench, they all looked so sad, I just left.
Mike
and IF you negotiate - the $10 will come down to at least 6 anyway. Unless they are subsidizing the locals with barang income, it's going to be WAY too expensive for the locals (they only spend $2 or so anyway)
I hate being a walking ATM
[QUOTE=Dinghy]and you negotiate - the $10 will come down to at least 6 anyway. Unless they are subsidizing the locals with barang income, it's going to be WAY too expensive for the locals (they only spend $2 or so anyway)
I hate being a walking ATM[/QUOTE]
Hang on a minute - you can get it for next to nothing if you really want to haggle it down in the brothels but I think ReallyNice Guy was talking about Walkabout. I would like to hear of anyone getting laid for 6$ from there in recent months!
$20 might be a bit high for Walkabout but not outrageously so. It is not just ISG members there. We cannot drive the price down by having some sort of ISG members agreement. I'm all for not overpaying, but see no point in giving anyone a hard time for paying only slightly above the going rate when they're on holiday and it's their first shot. Give the guy a break!
I usually paid $15 at Walkabout a couple of months ago and that got me as long as I wanted usually. There's plenty of other ways to be a jerk, judging from some of the characters there, than paying slightly more than you need to. Perhaps you want to tell me off too?
Yes it was a brothel comment - thought that was clear that the response was to the previous comment - $10 at walkabout is still about the right ST price
it doesn't matter much - the price is getting a bit high even considering inflation. I don't pay more than I need to considering some of the "mechanical girls"
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Stopped in around 10 PM. Sat with a beautiful Viet girl named Wee, (sp) very good English, for about 10 minutes when someone comes up behind me and wraps her arms around me, it’s Mah from yesterday. I’m nice to her but tell her I’m busy and ask her to leave me alone now. The two girls exchange a few words and then the tone changed to what sound like sharp word between and Mah kissed me and left. I asked Wee if everything was OK and she said “yea, yea, it’s OK” We picked up our conversation and soon were talking service and price. I asked for yum-yum boom-boom for ST at my hotel, she said sure $20, I was going to try and get that down tonight. I asked if I could take photos and she became upset that I would want that. She went on to tell me that guys put photos of the girls on the internet, can you believe some guy would do that, and didn’t want her photos on the internet. I told her thanks and got ready to leave, she stopped me and said could take photos of her with her clothes on and no face, I told her no thanks and got up to leave. Again she stopped me and asked if the other girl, Mah, let me take photos of her with no clothes on, I told her she did. She then told me to go with her and called out to Mah, Wee got up and left, and Mah was right there, all happy and loving me up.
Mah said she like me and was glad I wanted to see her again, I asked how much this time, she said $20 and if I wasn’t happy with her I didn’t have to pay anything. I said if I saw her again I would take her again, so I did.
This time was even better than the last! Same great service but even more fun, sweet and loving and two pops this time. Total GFE!
She wanted to sleep with me but I didn’t want her to stay, nothing left to talk about and I’d got everything I needed, she was sad but we showered together, she dressed, I gave her $20 and a buck for the moto. She was happy and left.
Mike
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy] Sat with a beautiful Viet girl named Wee, (sp) very good English . I asked for yum-yum boom-boom for ST at my hotel, she said sure $20, I was going to try and get that down tonight. I asked if I could take photos and she became upset that I would want that. She went on to tell me that guys put photos of the girls on the internet. I told her thanks and got ready to leave, she stopped me and said could take photos of her with her clothes on and no face, I told her no thanks and got up to leave.
[/QUOTE]
Do you do something with these pictures other than posting them here? You have to be in pussy heaven when you can reject a beautiful girl offering her services for $20.00 because she did not want you to take nude pictures of her to display on the net.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]$10 at walkabout is still about the right ST price[/QUOTE]Well it all depends on the quality of the experience, doesn't it? My policy has always been to pay the good ones a little more than they expect, and to pay the bad ones a little less than they want.
I live in Phnom Penh and spend a lot of time at the Walkabout. Dinghy is dead on. The ST price is $10--Period. I am familiar with the girls ReallyANiceGuy has posted photos of, and all will go for $10 ST, $20 LT. If they are coming to your hotel, unless it is on the other side of town like the Intercontinental, add $1 for a moto back (although she will probably only pay 1500-2000 riel). If people want to pay more, it is their money and they have the right to do what they want, but I sure wish they would not. It really hurts us local guys by eventually driving the price up. There are already 1 or 2 of the better looking freelancers who are trying really hard to get higher prices, although they will still go for $10 ST if they know that is all you will pay.
The price in the brothels is $5, but as stated they will tell you it is $10. Just politely say "Oh, I did not realize the price had gone up" and start to walk out. You won't get far. The key to negotiations here, or really anywhere, is to know the correct price and never, ever ask how much. TELL them what you will pay, or if it is a brothel where you pay in advance, just hand them the $5 before they even have a chance to mention the price.
[QUOTE=Hippie]
The price in the brothels is $5, but as stated they will tell you it is $10. Just politely say "Oh, I did not realize the price had gone up" and start to walk out. You won't get far. The key to negotiations here, or really anywhere, is to know the correct price and never, ever ask how much. TELL them what you will pay, or if it is a brothel where you pay in advance, just hand them the $5 before they even have a chance to mention the price.[/QUOTE]
Which ones are you talking about here? Where?
In a quote in newspapers today:
'Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told Chinese-language newspaper the Commercial News.
About 1,500 passengers come to Cambodia through Bangkok everyday, making up 30 percent of all daily entry of visitors into the kingdom, he said.
"Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country," he said. '
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Is any board member willing to own up as being one of these tourists? I couldn't fit that number of girls into my room, let alone service them all!! Even taking an expensive hotel room, and I can never justify that myself, it would still leave a lot of money to spend each day.
Hawk
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]In a quote in newspapers today:Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told "Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country,"
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Is any board member willing to own up as being one of these tourists?
Hawk[/QUOTE]
Not I! That is almost my monthly budget! I never pay more than- $15. for room, $20. for pussy, and $15-20 for food and beer per day! so approx $50.00 per day! And I do not always fuck or drink silly everyday. $1000.00 a month is enough to have a great time. Shit the local rarely pay more than 100.00 a month for rent!!!! If you know how, where and your not a pussy you can eat good and cheap! So of us are retired or on a business budget paid by AIG, and love to live the high life That is great, but just don't muck up the scene completely and create another Thailand. Throwing money around here is bad for everyone, and make one look foolish. By the way the hottest chick I had in Cambo cost me 25.00 for 24/7 "the jewel" insane hot stacked tight babe that was a three holer as well.
Cheers
HB
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Hawk[/QUOTE]
Me too, but unless your a good looking young stud, i dont think hot looking girls from 104, shanghai etc would even look at you for $20 unless its the rainy season and their desperate. And once you spend a bit of time in pp the chicks hanging around wa, sharkeys, mart seem less and less appealing. You can be lucky though, i shagged the best looking chick i have had in cambodia for $20 after dancing with her at the heart. After heart i gave her $10 to go and get herself sorted out, thinking i would never see her again, and lo and behold she came back and only left at 4pm next day. Major exception to the rule though in my experience.
Tonight I wanted to try some place different so I got a motto and went to Sharky’s, wow this is a big place. I walked around once, got a Coke and made another round then sat at the bar by the pool tables. Checked out the talent and see one I liked, made eye contact and she came over. Her name is Lang, 24, Vietnamese, been in town a month and leaving the first of the year.
Chitchat, ask how much for ST, yum-yum, boom-boom and photos, she said up to me, this time I took her at her word and we left.
She showered, I showered, lots of DFK’ing and groping, she give a great long BBBJ, she puts on the cover and want me on top. I do it until I’m out of breath then she squats until she is out of breath but I didn’t finish. She’s all conserned but I tell he it’s not her fault. We rest I’m stroking and kissing her body, I move down and start DATY. She responds right away and I guess I hit the right spots because she went nuts, I thought the front desk would call to see if everything was all right. She came several times, push my head away, I’m hard so I climb on. She grabbed my ass and kept driving me into her. Then she did this thing, while on her back, where she gets her body moving up and down while she holding my ass, and she was moving really fast doing it, I came big time.
She wanted to spend the night but I told her no, OK, so now it’s time for her to leave, I give her $15.00 and tell her because she was so great I’m giving her a $5.00 tip, she was not happy. She went on how we did it two times and I took photos so she should get more. I tell her thanks but you said it’s up to me and I think that’s a fair amount and that’s it. Then she starts this, I haven’t eaten and I don’t have anyplace to stay. I opened the door and told her she had to go now, she didn’t move so I said it again and she left. And she even gave me a kiss good-bye.
I wonder if I'm going to get beat up this time for giving her more????
Mike
PS: I’m in Siem Reap now.
Her name is Lang, 24, Vietnamese, been in town a month and leaving the first of the year.
Boy did you get an earfull of lies. This girl has been around Sharkys for years and my bet is for many more to come.
As for getting beat up, well I can tell you I have taken her back to a hotel for $10 and no problems whatsoever.
If I went there tonight I could do it again.
Guys the freelancers will go for $10ST girls at the hostess bars ie 104 ect will go for $15. Just make sure you tell the hostess girls what you will pay them first and let them decide. You will be surprised how many will take your offer.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
:)[/QUOTE]
I have to second the motion here as I've notice you guys paying more and more each time I read your reports.
1) its true that knowing the going rate will always get you a better deal for yourself and all those that will cum after you.
2) don't always count on getting the lowest rates as some will NEVER go for that price, but knowing that it should be $10 but up to you if willing to pay her 20, but starting out with a price 3-4x the norm $30-40, and you've been had even before your pants fall down.
3) dont worry about inflating the prices for the locals, they know the local price and will not pay anything more - they are by far the smartest of us all. Remember, their money is much harder to come by so they will not freely give it away (unlike some of you guys).
4)going prices are as stated above with a few exceptions. Some brothels will not even service foreigners and some that will take foreigners will not settle for anything less than $10 (sometimes $7 if you are a repeat), I know this as they would not even stop me as I threaten to walk away. But many options available, so just move on.
just my thoughts,
PT
spend $770 per DAY? hell, I couldnt spend that much in 2 WEEKS depending on where I stayed.
Walker Black is $28/liter.
Rooms CAN be as much as $200 (Intercontinental) IF you are absolutely certifiably insane (Flamingo is $25/day - you CAN do for less but Flamingo is pretty nice).
meals? Eat where the locals eat maybe $12/day to eat VERY well indeed - you DO need to enjoy local food, though.
So what's that leave maybe $700 for WOMEN? Hell, if I wanted to spend that much I'd stay HOME. realistic spending would be room $25, food $10, stuff $25, entertainment (bedspring boogey) $25 long time with higher class lady for a total of Maybe $85/day - add to that transport for maybe $6/day and you are STILL under $100/DAY
I spend less than that :)
Wendel - ST 154 between Noordom and Pasteur about 1/2 way and on the south side of the road (right side as facing Noorodom)
but I AM a cheap charlie :)
I was today at one of the seeing Hands Massage.
There was a pretty 25j Girl and after she started she start touching me everywhere. She kindly asked befor and was very happy that i agreed.
She told me its a long time she didnt touch a Man.
It seems she really enjoyed it. After she explore my Body she took my Hands and put them under her Shirt. She has really lovely tight Tits and a round ass.
It seems she enjoyed it.
[QUOTE=Romeo Blue]
She told me its a long time she didnt touch a Man.[/QUOTE]
Ya gotta love these lying little skanks!
Walkabout now is in the process of renovating the old "Chip Lay Hotel" (right next door) so probably in April or so they will have a lot more rooms and a LIFT, too.
Might be a bit more of an issue with security than before though - that locked door at WA was a bit of a deterrent. Unless they control access it might become a bit more of an issue. The reason they got it was because the owner threw out the drug dealers that were in Chiplay.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Which ones are you talking about here? Where?[/QUOTE]
Every brothel I have been in--the 2 on 154 between Norodom and 51, and a few on St. 63
[QUOTE=NanaHawk]'Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told Chinese-language newspaper the Commercial News.
About 1,500 passengers come to Cambodia through Bangkok everyday, making up 30 percent of all daily entry of visitors into the kingdom, he said.
"Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country," he said. '[/QUOTE]
I can't believe any of you are taking this quote seriously. It comes from a Cambodian government official, which automatically means it is untrue, and when it is the official whose job is to promote tourism and the spending of tourist money, well...
[QUOTE=Pedro Chili]unless your a good looking young stud, i dont think hot looking girls from 104, shanghai etc would even look at you for $20 unless its the rainy season and their desperate.[/QUOTE]
Most girls at Shanghai these days won't go for any price (within reason), as they are looking for boyfriends--of course that can change if rent is due or they are otherwise short of cash. However, I have taken several hot girls from hostess bars and never had a problem paying $20 for overnight. Generally, the girls who want more will say so upfront or at least ask how much you plan to pay, especially if they know you live here. I had one girl quote me $25, which I passed on, and one ask how much I was going to give her who then said she was tired and was just going home when I told her $20. Other than that, I have had no problems getting girls on 104 and 136 to go for $20--but it has always been after midnight when I have asked.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]4)going prices are as stated above with a few exceptions. Some brothels will not even service foreigners and some that will take foreigners will not settle for anything less than $10 (sometimes $7 if you are a repeat), I know this as they would not even stop me as I threaten to walk away. But many options available, so just move on.[/QUOTE]
I don't go to brothels much, but I have never had a brothel in PP refuse my business, or refuse $5. Karaokes, yes, but not brothels. Where did you find ones that did? (So that I can avoid them).
[QUOTE=Hippie]Other than that, I have had no problems getting girls on 104 and 136 to go for $20--but it has always been after midnight when I have asked.[/QUOTE]
So are you a long haired chilled out dope smoking slacker with an easy charm? If you aint you know something i dont, and i dont mean the lingo.
[QUOTE=Hippie]
I don't go to brothels much, but I have never had a brothel in PP refuse my business, or refuse $5. Karaokes, yes, but not brothels. Where did you find ones that did? (So that I can avoid them).[/QUOTE]
There were about 2 near Mao Z Dong Blvd that cater only to local native cambos from what I understand (this was about 1 yr ago so places may no longer exist? Most places welcome me-usually in hopes of stealing from me, but apparently these places were legit but only wants local business- dont know the reason why.
may return to PP next year and will recess the area again and check it out if things change.
PT
[quote=pedro chilli]so are you a long haired chilled out dope smoking slacker with an easy charm?[/quote]
no. two days ago, i did have a girl at one of the hostess bars stand firm on $20 for st or $30 for all night, but the bar had just opened for the night, she was one of the best looking girls in the bar, and she had said she was a three holer and up for anything. (i passed, but may take her up on the all-nighter at some point.)
[quote=phantomtiger2]
there were about 2 near mao z dong blvd that cater only to local native cambos from what i understand (this was about 1 yr ago so places may no longer exist? most places welcome me-usually in hopes of stealing from me, but apparently these places were legit but only wants local business- dont know the reason why.
may return to pp next year and will recess the area again and check it out if things change.[/quote]
there are only 3 reasons i know of why a sexually oriented business here will refuse westerners:
1. they cater to upper class asians who don't want to associate with us--this would not be true of a brothel.
2. they are trying to be discreet and don't want ngos to know what goes on inside--again, not normally true of a regular house/brothel but does apply to some guest houses that are just fronts for brothels.
3. the girls are **** and they don't want ngos to find out and force the government to shut them down.
Hippie, i am not flaming you, but i have heard a lot of stories, from reliable people, of chicks asking for outrageous amounts, $50 upwards, even $100, and that was to a dude who lives in thailand and is no mug, of course he told her to fuck off, but he had been buying her lady f'king drinks for 3 nights, and she only told him when she had stripped naked in his hotel room.
I'll be back in feb, we probably know each others faces anyway, i would appreciate coming along and watching how you do it.
[QUOTE=Pedro Chilli]a dude who lives in thailand and is no mug[/QUOTE]Disconnect?
[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Disconnect?[/QUOTE]
My guess is that he understands the scene, mentality, and culture to a degree not immediately grasped by a newbie. And no mug may refer to a "charming face", rather than a "mug shot" scruffy. Unless your point is that only uglies go to Thailand.
Anyways who cares
HB
[QUOTE=Pedro Chilli]Hippie, i am not flaming you, but i have heard a lot of stories, from reliable people, of chicks asking for outrageous amounts, $50 upwards, even $100, and that was to a dude who lives in thailand and is no mug, of course he told her to fuck off, but he had been buying her lady f'king drinks for 3 nights, and she only told him when she had stripped naked in his hotel room.
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You just identified the probable cause without realizing it, and while he may be no mug, it sounds as if he does not really understand the differences between the Thai and PP bar scenes. Because he had been buying her lady drinks for 3 nights, and presumably more than one each night, the girl in question assumed that he was indeed a person who did not understand the scene and was probably gullible enough to pay her ridiculous request. I seldom buy lady drinks here. Instead, I give a girl a tip of one or two dollars when I leave. The exception is if I am friends with the bar owner, in which case I will buy one, or at most two, lady drinks if I sit with a girl for an extended period. If I am flirting with 2 or more girls, then I still just give a tip, and I have never heard a word of complaint from any bar owner or gotten hints that I should buy more lady drinks. I would never do that in Thailand at a bar that I frequented. This is one of the reasons why PP is so much cheaper for me than anywhere in Thailand. A night out here costs me $30-$60 instead of $100-$200. He may also have made the mistake of mentioning what he paid girls in Thailand. I would think experienced mongers would have more sense than to do that, but I have been amazed at how many time I have heard seasoned vets tell a girl how cheap P4P is in the country they are in at the moment, and how much more they have paid elsewhere. In addition, the girl may have been one who did not normally go with customers, and only did so because she thought he would be a big score. There are a lot of girls like that here, and I steer clear of them for the most part. There are a couple of exceptions who I talk to because I like the eye candy and enjoy their conversation, but I don't even consider taking them home. On the other hand, if you are young and reasonably good looking, these are the type that are most likely to give you a freebie. There are also some hostess bar girls here whose minimum price really is $5 or $10 above the norm, as well as a very few freelancers who also try to hold out for more. The key to determining if this is the kind of girl you are dealing with is in how she reacts when you tell her the price you will pay. If she tries to negotiate or convince you to pay more, it is most likely just a ploy. If she simply states her price and then shows no interest in discussing it further, then that is her real price, at least for you. Up to you if you are willing to pay it. I'm not, but if I were on a short trip and had already invested a lot of time that evening in the girl, that might change.
As far as girls asking outrageous prices, I don't doubt it. Asking price means nothing, it is what she will actually accept that matters. Also, unless you are well known in a place as a person who knows the correct price and does not overpay (and maybe even then), asking "How much?" is the absolute kiss of death when it comes to negotiating. Doing so means that the other person will immediately assume you don't know the going rate. If you feel it necessary to fix the price in advance--and sometimes this is indeed a good idea--if the girl does not bring it up herself, tell her what you plan to pay. If you can work it into the conversation in a natural way, that is even better. Sometimes a girl will put out feelers to gauge your price level. Use that to your advantage. When she says "The last guy I had ST with gave me $40," laugh (additional points for dramatic emphasis if you also snort beer through your nose) and respond with "Wow, some guys are so stupid. Everyone knows the price is $10." Just be careful of your tone, as you want to make sure you do not insult her by implying she is not worth $40. You simply want to point out that you know this is not the going price. She may still try to argue it is $15, but that is a much better starting point than $40.
Also, keep in mind that we are discussing prices in westerner-oriented hostess bars and freelancer joints. If you are in a place that caters to rich locals or Asian tourists, the prices will be much higher.
I do not claim to to be the guru of PP, or anywhere else. I am just an intelligent, observant guy who hates to overpay for anything. I have learned from my many mistakes, and I am appalled at how badly I overspent during the first couple of years that I was going to foreign countries. I have also had some good teachers and have had the advantage of living in Mexico and Asia for several years. I have friends that come to Asia once or twice a year and throw money around like it is nothing. I still remember one guy telling me that the reason he preferred AC to Manila was that in AC there was no way he would spend more than $1000 in one night, while in Manila he almost always did. However, even they do not overpay for things. They will pay toward the top of the going rate, but that is all. Their money goes for quantity--threesomes, foursomes and moresomes, 20 lady drinks in one bar, barfining 10 of their girl's friends for a bar hop, etc. These guys have a blast on their trips, and if they want to spend that kind of cash, that is fine, but not my style (or these days, within my budget). I did similar for the first year I was going to Tijuana, and I did it almost every weekend, so I have no right to criticize them.
All valid points Hippie. Personally i never frequent these bars, too loud, all that false screaming bullshit when you walk in the door etc. I too have mongered all over the world for the past 20 years, so I suppose I am a vet, but I still get hoodwinked every now and again when I let the guard down. I've spent a fair amount of time in PP and Cambo so I never pay more than 20, unless the girl goes beyond the call of duty in which case I give more. Everybody criticizes Heart but thats still where I get the best chicks I'm capable of, and thats because the music isnt terrible (like martini) so I have a dance and that sometimes works for me.
[QUOTE=Hippie]You just identified the probable cause without realizing it, QUOTE]
You condescending fuck. I was in a haze in the morning when i read your report.
I arrive back in PP on 6 feb, 8.45am. I will be wearing a red long sleeve shirt, and a black baseball cap. No need to air this in public, just be there.
Hippie is absolutly correct in what he is saying. So maybe we shall both have to meet you at the airport. Then we can show you the way it is done.
At Hosstess bars one of the simplest ways to bring up price is to simply say "You know I really like you and would like to go to a hotel with you but you know I live here and dont pay the same prices as the stupid tourists"
The usual reply is "yes I know how much will you give me" or "upto you, I like you to"
You can then say "Well I normally give girls $10 for a ST"
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Hippie is absolutly correct in what he is saying. [/QUOTE]
Who are you, god? Absolutes dont exist. How long have you spent in Cambo, can you speak Khmer? You are too dumb to pick up hippies snide condescending use of words. It takes a lot to wind me up but he has succeeded.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]So maybe we shall both have to meet you at the airport. Then we can show you the way it is done.[/QUOTE]Hey, I don't want to take sides, but I'm always up for a good airport rumble! Since the arrival gates are inside the security zone, I suggest the baggage carousel area. That way we can all come!
And er . . . what exactly was the problem negotiating prices with PP hostess bar girls? Yes, they tend to ask too much these days. So you offer less. Sometimes you reach an agreement, sometimes not. It really is that simple.
OK I just went back and read through these posts because I didn't get what was going on, why Pedro got so bent out of shape. It seemed as if they were having a civil conversation and then... boom!
Now Hippie has what I'd call a natural tone of arrogance and condescension -- a know-it-all way of delivering everything he says. Fair enough. It's pretty typical of the way people write here, nothing too far out of the ordinary.
Both these guys are in Phnom Penh and believe they know the ropes, and feel like the guy who's saying the opposite doesn't know what he's talking about. So the solution for both: take what the other guy says with a grain of salt, and express that politely. Keep in mind that these girls treat different people differently, that we don't all look the same or are as slick at playing the game as one another.
There'll be no chairs thrown in the baggage claim, guys.
As a regular visitor to Phnom Penh, I know that one night in Martini I spotted a quite hot Khmer girl. I watched as one after another approached her and chatted with her. One after another they left her standing alone there (actually she was with a female friend). Four different guys did this over the course of about 30 minutes. Finally I took my shot. It seemed easy -- within 5 minutes we'd agreed to go to my hotel. When we got back there, as soon as we were in my room she hit me with the price: $70, til 2am. It was 11pm now.
I wonder what some of you guys would have done in that situation. She was by far the most gorgeous girl there that night. There'd be no chance of finding anything close if I went out again. It was my last night before leaving the country.
[QUOTE=Wendella]As a regular visitor to Phnom Penh, I know that one night in Martini I spotted a quite hot Khmer girl. I watched as one after another approached her and chatted with her. One after another they left her standing alone there (actually she was with a female friend). Four different guys did this over the course of about 30 minutes. Finally I took my shot. It seemed easy -- within 5 minutes we'd agreed to go to my hotel. When we got back there, as soon as we were in my room she hit me with the price: $70, til 2am. It was 11pm now.
I wonder what some of you guys would have done in that situation. She was by far the most gorgeous girl there that night. There'd be no chance of finding anything close if I went out again. It was my last night before leaving the country.[/QUOTE]
The Cambodia forum does seem to get a bit stroppy at times, doesn't it?
Interesting conundrum, and I'm sure there's lots of easy answers when you weren't actually there. The easy one is 'I would have agreed the price before taking her back' but sometimes there's a feeling of trust and the sense of being 'had' comes out of the blue. What did you in fact do? (if you feel you can tell us without the know-alls trying to roast you lol.)
A field report's a field report. And if someone 'overpays' then they are not going to ask for the money back cos of forum comments. The best people can do is relate their own experiences and people might perhaps bargain better next trip. The odd monger 'overpaying' does not, IMO, spoil it for everyone cos most mongers don't come on ISG and they will be the bulk of overpayers. And girls who net extra bucks when they see the opportunity may just be smart hustlers, not spoilt.
My guess is you said yes at some point, it being your last night. It's a personal decision when you sum up the situation. I always tell girls I'm there for a long time. I give them examples of what I usually pay. But maybe, being an exceptional looker and maybe preferring to go without than go for a regular price, she was hanging out for that 'special customer.' (or mug if that's how you see it in retrospect). She would know the going rate at Martinis, so even if she wanted to charge more for good looks it would be fair to assume a percentage mark-up rather than a hike.
Bottom line - how good was she in the sack (if you did her) and how did you feel about the experience in retrospect? If the sex was the experience of a lifetime, you maybe didn;t have too many hard feelings, even if you paid over the odds and wouldn't do a repeat. If it wasn't, or if you beat yourself up about the price paid, then you made the wrong decision.
I had the experience once in another country where I was trying to get an all-nighter with a gorgeous girl - she was far, far better than anyone else available. She wouldn't budge on the usual rates. I figured she liked hanging out with her friends and doing short-time business on the side. So I made her an offer she couldn't refuse. It wasn't outrageous by going rates but it was more than a beginner (as she was) would know to ask for. She was awesome. If I told friends how much I paid they gave me the usual tongue lashing. But when I showed them photos they not only shut up but obsessively tried to get her contact details, which was quite funny.
Don't worry about the stick, just keep posting reports. To those that moan, remember that if you berate someone until they don't give reports or tell us what they paid, it doesn't mean they didn't have the experience - just that they don't tell us. Go figure.
[QUOTE=Christopherd] (if you feel you can tell us without the know-alls trying to roast you lol.)
My guess is you said yes at some point, it being your last night.
Bottom line - how good was she in the sack (if you did her) and how did you feel about the experience in retrospect?
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They can roast away, if they want. Or catch me in the airport and beat the hell out of me. And yes I was definitely a mug, in this one incident at least, as I probably tipped my hand to by mentioning how hot she was and that it was my last nite in PP. Yes, I paid. I made gestures of bargaining but she was good-- she could tell there was no way I wasn't gonna do her, she knew she'd won. She stuck to that price and I just said, Yeah what the hell, let's go. I did try to set the price earlier but stupidly did it by asking how much, to which she said the predictable "Up to you" or something like that, postponing the question til later. She knew her stuff. ;)
How was she? A bit better than average. I didn't beat myself up over it, not at all. In fact my next stop in PP (a month later) I looked for her again hoping for a second round. Didn't find her. But sometimes you just have to treat yourself. There was one time in Bangkok where I faced a similar situation, in a gogo, and was offered a price that seemed steep, from a girl who was that rare unbelievably hot creature, the kind who you just know is the single hottest girl you've ever spotted. I declined, and learned the lesson that it's better to regret the things you've done than the things you haven't. I really learned that lesson -- ever since then, in a similar situation, I just go for it. Now if I could only end up in a similar situation. :(
I can now say, I haven't spotted a single girl since then that compares to that one I turned down that night in Bangkok. It was 3 years ago.
Anyway, how much did you pay for your similar situation, if you don't mind my asking?
I just reread the comment that angered Pedro Chilli, and the only way I can interpret it as condescending is if I really try. I have to picture myself saying it in the same tone that John Gielgud used when, as the butler in Arthur he told Liza Minelli that, "One usually has to go to a bowling alley to meet a woman of your stature." I assure you that is not how I talk.
Wendella, I am sorry you find my reports condescending and arrogant. When something is flat wrong, in my opinion, I do say so, and I admit that I seem to find more outright bad info on this board than any of the other dozen or so I have posted on (and no, I am not talking about any of the people involved in this discussion), mixed in with a lot of very very good advice. I try hard not to be insulting or make derogatory comments about the poster himself, but I don't beat around the bush, either. I don't do this because I want to prove a point (well, not usually), but because I want to help new or infrequent visitors avoid mistakes. I myself have suffered from bad advice and supposed facts that were just plain wrong given on various forums; 5 nearly wasted, boring days in Davao were one result. I also tend to use a somewhat more formal and direct tone in my writing than many people do on forums, and this may cause me to come across differently than intended. However, I certainly don't think I am infallible or that I know everything about the P4P scene in any of the places I have lived. If someone just has a difference of opinion, I try to make it clear that I respect that opinion but disagree with it. This is the case with Pedro Chilli. I most certainly don't think he does not know what he is talking about. I simply stated that one aspect of my experience has been different than his, and that I suspected that his friend may have made some mistakes due to not understanding how the bars in PP differ from those in Thailand. I actually agree with him that Heart is my favorite hunting grounds here, but it gets started a bit late for me and I have already been with most of the regulars there that I am interested in, so lately I have started going back to the hostess bars more. It doesn't hurt that many are walking distance from my house. As far as the Martini situation that you described, that is one of the few times when I would have discussed price first. I always do that if I see another guy shot down, and I also verify what services are offered. Sometime you do just get lucky, of course. I had a similar situation occur in Hong Kong, and ended up with a very beautiful Indo girl who gave fantastic service at the going rate--she just refused to go with guys who were drunk or obnoxious, which apparently the previous four guys I had seen approach her had been. However, had I been in your situation, I probably would have kicked her out and gone to look for another girl--but that in no way means I think you made the wrong decision.
Chistopherd, I agree very much with a lot of what you said. If a guy knows what the going rate is, and on rare occasions finds a girl who he thinks is worth more, then he should go for it. I have done so, as well, but it is not a frequent occurrence. I am about to head for the bars now, and if neither of my potential intended targets is available, I may well pay $30 for the girl I previously mentioned. If I was here for a short visit, I would not have hesitated to take her last week when she quoted me the price.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
Anyway, how much did you pay for your similar situation, if you don't mind my asking?[/QUOTE]
200 Reals Brasilian*. Though it wasn't that similar. If a girl tries to put the cinch on me I tend to lose patience and tell her to get lost, figuring if the money's so paramount the sex will be mechanical. But in this case I had already had her several times for quickies and wanted to be in control by making the play. Very lovely woman, worth every penny.
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[i]*about $85 at current rates. A lot of people will pay that anyway at a good club in Brasil. It's just that I pulled her out of a 'cheap' dive. In Cambodia, I'm only really interested in the cheapo end - Heart of Darkness is about my limit as I have fun there. But generally I don't rate Cambodia that high - the women are ok if they're not costing much, but they don't speak much English and are short on personality, added to that the pernicious attitude to their work so they can't take much pride in it . . . To me, Camb is ok for some down and dirty but probably not in the major league and there's no chance of treating any PDP as an equal. Not to say I don't love the place, just that it has its limits, in P4P and everything else. Go there to meditate, to learn humility, and have some P4P thrown in. That probably sums up my feelings, and I hope no-one's offended. [/i][/color]
[quote=wendella]i can now say, i haven't spotted a single girl since then that compares to that one i turned down that night in bangkok. it was 3 years ago.[/quote]i'm still kicking myself over a couple ones like this. as they say, the only ones you regret are the ones who get away. so ultimately the money is nothing, if trying to skimp on a few bucks cheats you out of a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity.
frankly it's one problem with these forums: there's a lot of peer pressure here not to pay more than a certain arbitrary amount ('you'll ruin the market for all of us!'), regardless of the fact that sometimes the best value for money is when you pay top dollar.
Guys,
Don't get your knickers in a not. I don't mean to be threatning, what I say said is in jest. Actualy I would be happy to meet you and show you how it is done. I hate seeing people being taken advantage of and making fools of them selves.
I don't really care how much you guys spend either, it does fuck up the scence for everyone when you throw cash around without thinking though.
As for the comments about trust and not wanting to discuss price because it may spoil that GFE ellusion though is silly. The only person you are fooling about it being a GFE is yourself.
PS. Two weeks ago I did meet someone at the baggage carosel. Behind customs. I do know how Cambodia works.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Guys,
Don't get your knickers in a not. I don't mean to be threatning, what I say said is in jest. Actualy I would be happy to meet you and show you how it is done. I hate seeing people being taken advantage of and making fools of them selves.
I don't really care how much you guys spend either, it does fuck up the scence for everyone when you throw cash around without thinking though.
As for the comments about trust and not wanting to discuss price because it may spoil that GFE ellusion though is silly. The only person you are fooling about it being a GFE is yourself.
PS. Two weeks ago I did meet someone at the baggage carosel. Behind customs. I do know how Cambodia works.[/QUOTE]
I agree for the most part, although I would say that in a few rare circumstances here, and a few more in Angeles City, the illusion of the GFE goes both ways. I'd say somwhere between 1%-5% of the girls don't want to admit to themselves that they are prostitutes, and will appreciate it when the guy plays along. These girls will probably be happy with the going rate if given to them the next day, but might insist on more if you try to bargain up front. If she is Vietnamese or you meet her in the Walkabout, however, you can rest assured she does not fall into this category.
Would showing me how it is done include showing me how to hook up with a girl behind the baggage carousel? If so, let's do it! ;^)
The whole pricing argument is a nonsense..it simply comes down to what the market will bear...old unnatractive girls will cost a lot less than a young and very attractive girl.
Attractive girls ask for those prices because they know from eperience that people will pay it...no matter how much "experience" you have no guy will get a very attractive girl for less money than the average punter. Dont beat yourself up about what you pay for a girl and what you read on here..you have to see with your own eyes first exactly what the quality of the girl is.
I have paid $50 for a short time in Cambodia on a number of occasions and was very glad I did...i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.
I have paid between $25-$40 for LT. And $10-$20 for ST. Yes, i have bought presents for the girl if we hit it off and she stays with me more than a day. Usually it is some clothes costing approx $20.
Are we inflating the price?
The answer is yes and no.
Yes in the sense cannot give too much money for ST where there is no emotional bond and it is purely carnal.
No in the sense if you like the girl and treat her like a GF , you do not mind helping her out. Obviously she goes the extra effort to make you happy.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.[/QUOTE]Yes, very true. Though I also tend to remember the expensive girls when they disappoint! And for that matter, the cheap ones who were really great.
These days I'm more into quality than quantity, so I don't mind paying more for it. That's what's nice about this part of the world . . . there are girls of all levels of quality and in all price ranges.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]The whole pricing argument is a nonsense..it simply comes down to what the market will bear...old unnatractive girls will cost a lot less than a young and very attractive girl.[/QUOTE]
Umm...no. At least not in my experience. While this is often true in Thailand and many other countries, in my experience it usually is not true in Phnom Penh--unless you are talking about girls who are so old and unattractive that they go for even less than $10 ST/$20-$25LT. Now, I do see signs that this is beginning to change in PP, but that may just be a high season reaction.
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Attractive girls ask for those prices because they know from eperience that people will pay it...
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Sometimes, but a lot of times they ask silly prices either because someone has told them to, or because ONE guy (or a very few guys) paid them that much in the past. There are exceptions, especially in the hostess bars, but these are girls who rarely get barfined, and that is fine with them.
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no matter how much "experience" you have no guy will get a very attractive girl for less money than the average punter.
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Usually true, although if they like you or you are young and attractive, you might get a discount or freebie.
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Dont beat yourself up about what you pay for a girl and what you read on here..you have to see with your own eyes first exactly what the quality of the girl is.
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That I agree with. (Not that you care whether I do or not, I'm sure). It is your money, and if you think you got good value, then no reason to regret your decision, and nobody can say you were wrong. It may not have been the same price her other customers paid, but that really does not matter in this context.
[QUOTE]
I have paid $50 for a short time in Cambodia on a number of occasions and was very glad I did...i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.[/QUOTE]
Then for you, I would say you made the right decision. If it was a girl from a karaoke, that may well have been the going price, but even if it was a Walkabout/Martini/hostess bar girl, if you were happy with the experience then it was a good move. None of my most memorable P4P girls, with one exception (4000 baht for LT with a girl from Rock Hard in Phuket in 2002) charged more than the going rate, and most would have been considered some of the best looking girls in their venues. (As much as I would like to, I have never been one of these guys who can go with an only semi-attractive girl and still think she is great just because of her attitude and performance.) However, none of my $5 experiences have been memorable in a good way, which is why I seldom visit the brothels here.
[QUOTE=Hippie]
Wendella, I am sorry you find my reports condescending and arrogant. When something is flat wrong, in my opinion, I do say so, and I admit that I seem to find more outright bad info on this board than any of the other dozen or so I have posted on [/QUOTE]
I don't want to go back and review anybody's reports anymore, if that's ok... I was probably overly harsh, and, perhaps even condescending and arrogant ;) in that report of mine. I definitely think Pedro Chilli was way too sensitive, and still don't see what ticked him off that much. Anyway, sorry, please don't take offense. I know, too late. If so, then just Sorry. Your reports are interesting and well written, I should also say. I still would say you tend to be a bit absolute, and maybe don't consider that experiences are different for each of us. I don't think all the girls can absolutely be had for what you say they can by ANYBODY. Just because you know for sure they go with you at that price, or people you know, doesn't mean they'd necessarily be available to anyone. Lots of factors could come into play. I have no idea how old you are, how good looking, if you look like you have money or not, well groomed, if you're known as a local, etc. The forum is deceiving in a way because it's easy to imagine we're all the same since you can't see anyone here. We're just known by the words we type. I could be wrong, but I'm doubting that any girl can be had for what you say by ANY guy. For myself, I haven't tried to pick up any girls from those 104 St type bars in PP, so I have no idea.
About that girl, I made up my mind I was gonna take her, and figured she'd charge a higher price. I never expected it to be that much though. No harm done. I enjoyed it enough that I even went back looking for more the next time I came to town, but didn't spot her again. There's a good lesson: [i]always[/i] get the phone number.
Fellow mongers,
I will be in PP and area for a week, if you want to party, exchange addresses, or just hang out, PM me.
BBB
Wendella, I was not angered by your post. There was no sarcasm intended by the "I'm sorry..." comment. When I say something in a way that seems absolute, that is generally because I believe it to be so. These kind of comments are always based on experience. If it is just an opinion, I try to be clear about that. An example of an absolute is the "going rate" for a ST or LT at a particular type of venue. This does not mean that every single girl charges the same amount, or that any girl charges the same amount to every guy. It means that a large majority of girls charge it to a large majority of guys. Maybe I was not always clear about that. I do try hard never to tell someone they overpaid. I simply say that what they paid was above the going rate, if I feel it necessary to say anything. Some might take those two statements to be the same thing, but they most definitely are not.
I assure you that I am not particularly young, fit, or handsome, and I could not care less whether I have "game" when it comes to dealing with P4P girls. I generally dress very casually, but will on occasion wear tailored slacks and shirts. (I have not seen that attire makes any difference here, but it made a big difference in my desirability in Thai discos.) On the plus side, I am clean, reasonably neatly groomed, and polite--I treat a working girl the same as anyone else. I have a friend here who is very obese (a few, actually, but that is another matter), but he still has girls who are thrilled to go with him for the prices I have quoted. The reason, the best I can tell, is that he treats them really well. At the other end of the scale, I have another friend who is in his early twenties and fit--and presumably handsome, but I can't tell--and he frequently gets freebies from hostess girls after work when he comes to PP. He gets even more in Thailand and Angeles City. I know other young guys who I am certain are better looking than him, and yet they get nowhere near the attention he does. I have no idea how he does it, other than by being very carefree, crazy, easy with drink money, and drunk off his ass every day of his vacations. By the same token, I have seen girls who absolutely despise him, because he can be uncomfortably rude if he thinks a girl is full of crap or an idiot--or especially if he thinks she considers him to be an overpaying fool. In short, I do recognize that everyone is different, but there are still certain things that apply to ALMOST everyone.
in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.
[QUOTE=Worltravel]in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.[/QUOTE]Maybe try reading this forum? There's quite a lot of suggestions posted by several people, including myself. Good luck.
How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?
[QUOTE=Quibinary]How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?[/QUOTE]
If you had taken any time at all to read the forum, you would know that Km11 has been closed down as a sex scene for years.
[QUOTE=Quibinary]How about K-11? [/QUOTE]
You are roughly 3 years late, man.
Cheers!
Haven't been on here for a while and all I find is childish arguments over who paid too much.
I have lived in PP for over two years and I do know a bit,and of course i may have paid too much occasionally but do I care-of course not.
I go to the usual haunts occasionally and the lack of tourists here is staggering.
Most girls have adjusted their prices to suit,walkabou is back to ten and twenty dollars again after what must be the longest off season in most girls memory.
Get used to it ladies,its called a global recession.
But never forget that cambodia is till a pretty cheap place for the locals,especially for those things that women desire.
I went out the other night and my missus looked stunning.
Shoes($3),short shorts($1.50),shirt(75 cents),necklace ($2) and hair($2).
Khmer girls generally are unlike their thai cousins who refuse to be seen out in anything that costs little money,what a pain they are.
Cambodian women rank the phone above all else,then the moto,cheap clothes that look good they value.
I like this about them.
GFs stunning young friend works at the XO,rich khmers pay $100 a pop inhouse.
She has just been diagnosed with AIDs.
[QUOTE=Worltravel]in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.[/QUOTE]In PP Flamingo is a great and place, booking are recommended. In SV, take a cap and look around. Have fun.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Haven't been on here for a while and all I find is childish arguments over who paid too much.
GFs stunning young friend works at the XO,rich khmers pay $100 a pop inhouse.
She has just been diagnosed with AIDs.[/QUOTE]
I've been away for awhile and just got back myself.
I have to admit that a little debate once in a while is ok, this may have exceeded the time limit.
But then, isn't there a separate thread just for all the debates/arguments. Perhaps they should take it there.
Just remember that we are all in this for the action and perhaps some are just a bit sensitive, but for us more senior members, we've heard it all before and just let the other person's opinion be just that--an opinion.
---Yeah, sorry to hear about that gal you know with Aids, but that is why all of need to be careful in Cambo, as it is one of the country with the highest increases in HIV/AIDS in the world.
So lets focus more on your own safety instead of what you paid.--IMO
PT
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Khmer girls generally are unlike their thai cousins who refuse to be seen out in anything that costs little money[/QUOTE]That all came about pretty quickly in Thailand, and I'm afraid it'll soon change here as well. Enjoy the innocence while it lasts . . . .
I went to luxury world hotel about a month ago. Large fishbowl with about 25 khmer, 25 vietnamese and a few chinese. Massages are $5/hour for khmer and viet and $7 for chinese (a couple extra for VIP room). There were a few cute khmer and viet girls none of the chinese were worth it and I am sure they would have wanted more for extras. It looked like it catered for asian customers mainly but I didn't have any problems.
I took a khmer girl, number 48, for a couple of hours. The room has big posters saying no sexual activity allowed. She spoke very little english but after a bit of a massage she asked if I wanted bom-bom. She went and showered and came back. While she was playful with the massage and then foreplay when it came to it she didn't interact very well but she was very tight.
I gave her $30 for the two hours which she seemed content with although she asked for 5o initially.
[QUOTE=Hippie]
In short, I do recognize that everyone is different, but there are still certain things that apply to ALMOST everyone.[/QUOTE]
I can think of a few traits a guy might have that could exclude him from the ALMOST everyone category, and they probably wouldn't be apparent here in his forum posts. Anyway, looks like people are getting sick of this subject. We've said our pieces. That Chillie guy seems to have cleared out. Maybe he's at the airport. ;)
(BTW, you guys are both in PP, right? So why meet at the airport? Why not downtown somewhere?)
[QUOTE=Quibinary]How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?[/QUOTE]The places were closed down after NGO`s raided a brothel there and after gary glitter had a photograph taken of him on a hotel floor. taxi drivers will not take you there.
[QUOTE=Iching]The places were closed down after NGO`s raided a brothel there and after gary glitter had a photograph taken of him on a hotel floor. taxi drivers will not take you there.[/QUOTE]
Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :p
I went to the Cyrcee Club twice after reading this forum and I didn't regret it.
The selection of Khmer girls is stunning in my opinion. 80% of them really look good!
The boom boom price is 20 Dollars for once BBBJ and sex. Since I didn't want to go to my own hotel I paid 7 dollars for a short time hotel plus 5 more dollars for one lady drink (they insist on that although I took the lady out without a drink but who cares - still good enough deal) and my own drink.
The first time I took a girl that was a bit fatter, but she DFKed me from the beginning. Sex and BBBJ with her were o.k. The hotel rooms where the girls will lead you are very nice by the way.
The next day I took a very skinny - but still totally sexy girl - she told me she only weighs 39 kilos and was about 1.5 metres tall. That already made me very horny. Her BBBJ and sex were good.
There was no rush in both situations, so I can really recommend you to go and try the Cyrcee club. It is on the intersection of street 136 west/east and 49 south/north on street 49. If you look from south on the left side.
Sophie Club:
I tried to find it, but it wasn't there anymore. It was recommended a few times in the forum and should be on intersection 118/53. But there was nothing there. I really checked carefully.
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Has anyone stayed at the Luxury World Hotel? It looks really nice from the pic's on their website. I don't really care for the location as I've stayed at the Big LUck before.
Also the prices at LWH are very comparable to Flamingos, especially considering it's brand new. I love Flamingos and will most likely stay there again this spring, but I will definitely check out the fishbowl at LWH.
Having a fishbowl, you would assume they are GF. But, that last report said they have posters up in the massage rooms saying "no sex". What gives?
Cyrcee always good.I just hope that too many people dont go.Always value here.
I see that the sony is back on the map with two new plastic awnings erected out the front with the sony label.
[QUOTE=Frimu]But there was nothing there. I really checked carefully.[/QUOTE]Sophie was shut down by the cops last year. No great loss to me -- I always found the place too pushy.
Cyrcee is still fine, though some nights feature a lot more available talent than others. All in all, I found more girls of interest this week at the Walkabout, a nice surprise.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I can think of a few traits a guy might have that could exclude him from the ALMOST everyone category, and they probably wouldn't be apparent here in his forum posts.[/QUOTE]
I agree, which is one of the reasons why I almost never say someone paid too much, only that it was more than the going rate--if indeed it was. If a guy smells, is horribly ugly, has a lousy personality, etc., he may have to pay more.
[QUOTE]That Chillie guy seems to have cleared out.
(BTW, you guys are both in PP, right? )[/QUOTE]
From what he has posted, he is not in PP yet.
[QUOTE=Hippie]If you had taken any time at all to read the forum, you would know that Km11 has been closed down as a sex scene for years.[/QUOTE]
That came out sounding harsher than I intended. The inability to convey tone of voice adequately on forums strikes again.
[QUOTE=Blackangst]Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :p[/QUOTE]Of course it is. Mongering is like any other business - it is governed by supply and demand. As long as there is demand for what Svay Pak had to offer (and there will always be demand for this) there will be supply somewhere. The NGO's and government may like to fool themselves that they can dictate what will be offered but the reality is it's up to the girls and customers.
[QUOTE=Aussie Fell]Of course it is. Mongering is like any other business - it is governed by supply and demand. As long as there is demand for what Svay Pak had to offer (and there will always be demand for this) there will be supply somewhere. The NGO's and government may like to fool themselves that they can dictate what will be offered but the reality is it's up to the girls and customers.[/QUOTE]
And, for the record, Svay Pak's clientele was mostly Cambodian.
[QUOTE=Blackangst]Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :p[/QUOTE]
Apparently the new location is a well kept secret, alas.
Accommodation
Fancy Guest House, opposite the Ankor international, just off 144 Street. $25 a night for first floor balcony room, Spotlessly clean and change the sheets daily, nice and safe with cctv in the hall ways. No problems bringing the ladies home day or night.
Smokes and Grog
One block up towards riverside. 1Lt Finland vodka $8. 50, carton of Beer Lao stubbies $14. 50 and carton of Marlboro lights $9. 00.
Cheap Eates and Drinks
Bogie and Bacall Bar top end of 136 street, $0. 65 Angkor beer, $1. 50 long island ice tea and a all day $3. 95 budget meal which includes a free beer. Good place start off drinking and meet the locals. Have a couple of very ugly old hostess.
Hostess Bars (My top 3)
Beaver Bar 136 Street and Rue 5, good selection of girls, $20 to $30 for LT, had a couple of 3 holers, one bare back. Have a dark room under the dance floor for rub and tug or BJ $10
Happy Man Bar 110 street and Rue 5, Khmer run joint, fat little mumma son who is loads of laughs. Plenty of Vietnamese.
Up Down Bar next to B&b, Not your teeny booper, plays good music, load of girls and 3 ladyboys.
Viet Knock Shops
2 on the other side of Heart of Darkness, $8 BBBJ and $13 ST. Check under the bed for shifty Viet to steel from you and don't walk along the side of the bed as the dirty little harlots like to spit and through the used donger there.
Extras
Hire a boat for $45, orginize a few mates, girls and food and go for a 6 hour criuze up the mekong.
Have fun
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Good info from HandyDan. Our hostess bar recommendations don't quite match, although I like Beaver Bar, but what are the odds that any two guys would exactly agree? The balcony rooms at Fancy could be had for $20 with negotiating last May. I did not know about the cheap food options at Bogie and Bacall. I will have to check it out. I now understand its appeal. always saw the unattractive hostesses and average menu, and kept going. I think it is the only "hostess bar" near the riverside or St. 51 that I have not been in.
HD, which Viet knock shops are you talking about? The massage places on the same block as Heart of Darkness, or the more straightforward houses around the corner on 154? The latter were definitely still providing FS for $5 a few months ago, but of course tried for $10. The only time I tried one of the massage places by Heart, there was only one lady who would do BBBJ, and she was neither young nor attractive. Maybe I was just unlucky, and I should give it another try.
Thanks for the reply Hippie
Got a discount at Fancies, but iI think best posting the higher price and let the punter negociatate! Same for the Viet massage joints (2 on the north side of heat of darkness) got good BBBJ on the condition of a root. They work you up for a BJ and you work them up on a ST, better their BBBJ the more money I pay for a root!
The best thing about PP, differant strokes for differant fokes! 104 Street are mercenaries, except cololinal bar which is good too chill out and play a game of pool. 50% drop in tourism and 30 more bars opening, you would think it would be cheaper!
From a punter who has spent 10 weeks in the last year there!
After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will travel back through PP and have 3 hours before heading to the airport to continue on to Bangkok. Any suggestions for a daytime (1-4 pm) place to have a great session and overall time?
After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will be heading to Bangkok via PP and have 3 daytime hours (1-4 pm) before heading to the airport. Any recommendations for a good time and session in the afternoon? (Will have the suitcase on wheels in hand unfortunately.)
Don't mind the buses, but a 12 hour bus ride just ruins my day, if not two. I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative. A beach in the middle with some PDP or just a good touris scene would be great. Any ideas?
[QUOTE=Cm6363]I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative.[/QUOTE]If you've got time, the obvious one is a night in Koh Kong (4 hrs from PP) and then another night in Pattaya (another 6 hrs). Koh Kong has a bit of a scene, and I hear Pattaya does too.
[QUOTE=Cm6363]Don't mind the buses, but a 12 hour bus ride just ruins my day, if not two. I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative. A beach in the middle with some PDP or just a good touris scene would be great. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]I've done the trip once before and got off the bus in Pattaya. The scenery wasn't bad and as i was travelling solo, so i jumped in the front of the mini bus so i had a bit more room. I dont think i'd do it again. I'd rather get back to PP then flight back to Bangkok from PP then catch a cab to Pattaya or stay in Bangkok. All depends on how much cash and time you have...catch the bus is really wasting the day if your not into the scenery.
[QUOTE=Dazzla]I'd rather get back to PP then flight back to Bangkok from PP then catch a cab to Pattaya or stay in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
If you fly into Bangkok, you could consider getting the Bell Travel bus to Pattaya. It only costs around 200 baht and is ok. A coach to take you to Pattaya bus station and then a minibus to take you to your hotel.
You can find Bell travel at Level 1 gate 7. I did this in December and had no problems at all. You can book over the internet, or just take your chance and turn up on spec and see if there's a spare seat. They usually run every half hour. It sure beats the expense of 800 - 1,000 baht for a taxi and is just as comfortable with the reclining seats.
Just my 2 baht worth,
Have fun
Expatcat
[QUOTE=Expatcat] They usually run every half hour. [/QUOTE]
Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers![/QUOTE]
[url]http://pattayabus.com/en/route_schedule.htm#5[/url]
There is another public, yellow one, runing in between these times too.
[QUOTE=Cm6363]After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will travel back through PP and have 3 hours before heading to the airport to continue on to Bangkok. Any suggestions for a daytime (1-4 pm) place to have a great session and overall time?[/QUOTE]
Couple of short times at Walkabout?
[QUOTE=El Greco][url]http://pattayabus.com/en/route_schedule.htm#5[/url]
There is another public, yellow one, runing in between these times too.[/QUOTE]I think I took this one before but bus only lets you off in a bus station in Patts and then you have to provide your own tuk to find hotel.
Not 100% sure, but Bell travel will also drop you off at hotel after you board their minibus in Patts.
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers![/QUOTE]
My mistake, you're correct. I remember booking and arriving at a time when it was just about to depart.
Bell will get you to your hotel via a minibus when you arrive at Patts, all part of the service.
Sorry if there was any confusion. Bell Travel can be contacted through the web.
Expatcat
Are there any common scams or traps that are prevalent in Phnom Penh? I've been to Bangkok a couple of times and know some of the tricks there.
A common one in Thailand is when you want to go some place such as a temple or Wat and the driver tells you it's closed, but offers to take you better temple presumably so you'll stumble into someone who wants to sell you gems at an amazing discount.
I'm also trying to figure out what's a good price for transportation. I've read that most trips around town can be made for 1000 to 2000 Reil. I've seen a post where a tuk tuk driver can be hired for $10 a day.
What is a good day price for an actual taxi with 4 doors and 4 wheels?
What is a good day price for someone with just a motocycle?
Please excuse my ignorance on these topics if this information has already been posted. I've read back about 3-4 months in the forum but I don't remember seeing this info posted although I might have skimmed over it.
Thank you expats and seasoned veterans for you input. Your posts have been invaluable to me over the years.
Less scam's compared to Thailand and Vietnam, as they are not that bright! Cambodians are more oppotunic, than deep thinkind scam artist. More chance of a mugging late at night! Don't wear any flashy jewellery and change all your money to small money. One dollars and fives, pay the the tuk tuk in riel. Be more wary of the Russians and Nigerian brothers, they invented scams.
I only use tuk tuks, as I won't get on a moto (to dangerouse) and the new cabs/taxies are hard to find. From 136 street riverside too walk a bout I would pay $1 during the day and $1. 50 at night, don't let them charge more for more people as they will fit 10 Cambodians in the same tuk tuk for half the price. You will never pay Cambdian price's! Be firm on the price, before you get on board and don't be afraid to say fuck off and move onto the next driver!
[QUOTE=Member #3060]Are there any common scams or traps that are prevalent in Phnom Penh? I've been to Bangkok a couple of times and know some of the tricks there.
[/quote]
Bangkok x 10
[quote]
A common one in Thailand is when you want to go some place such as a temple or Wat and the driver tells you it's closed, but offers to take you better temple presumably so you'll stumble into someone who wants to sell you gems at an amazing discount.
[/quote]
A Khmer variation - "that hotel's shut, let me take you to a better one (sometimes it's true, but may equally be a shit hole where he gets commission)
[quote]
I'm also trying to figure out what's a good price for transportation. I've read that most trips around town can be made for 1000 to 2000 Reil. I've seen a post where a tuk tuk driver can be hired for $10 a day.
[/quote]
A good price IMO is what you can get away with and still enjot the transaction. $10 in Siem Reap is realistic but harder to get in PP. 2000R should get you across central PP if you don't take no for an answer. In SR it's more if he's busy as the place is so tiny anyway (remember Angkor Wat is not 'in' SR though).
[quote]
What is a good day price for an actual taxi with 4 doors and 4 wheels?
[/quote]
Can't imagine you would really want one except in PP to avoid the dust from the trip to the airport or maybe a day trip somewhere equally dusty. Just pay a bit more than a tuk-tuk
[quote]
What is a good day price for someone with just a motocycle?
[/quote]
Best way of getting around most places - and some out of town places are only accessible by bike or 4x4. A bit less than a tuk-tuk.
[quote]
Please excuse my ignorance on these topics if this information has already been posted. I've read back about 3-4 months in the forum but I don't remember seeing this info posted although I might have skimmed over it.
[/quote]
It's just that most of your questions are how long is a piece of string. If you've read back that far you will have seen the silly arguments about whether to pay sod-all or less-than-sod-all for a bike to cross the street. The rest is up to you and your charm and ability to haggle.
Moto drivers taking you into Haircut/garage brothels, here when your in the room and your chosen lady insist you put your trouser/pants on the door hook, then your going to get pickpocketed.
There`s lady`s in freelance bars, martini`s comes to mind, were she will get you a young lady for a $10 fee, this is a cheeky scam because you could have found her yourself the same lady anyhow`s. i hope this answere`s member *3060`s questions.
.From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?
[QUOTE=Sharka].From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?[/QUOTE]Hey there,
My Cambodian g/f and I just got a 2 week Vietnam visa at the embassy in Phnom Penh last March. I think the cost for both of us was about $65 USD. I filled out the applications for both of us and since they were getting ready to go to lunch they were rushing us to get the forms completed. We were in and out of there in less than 30 minutes with visas in hand. Make sure you bring a passport size photo.
Southbound69
Couldn't help but laugh when I read your post Christopherd - I have seen the "that hotel is shut scam, but not in Cambodia, was in Vietnam. Was given it by a guy sent by the hotel with free pick up service - he took us to another hotel ready to screw the original hotel that had sent him. It was a shitbag, so we insisted on going to the original to see for ourselves, and he relented. No tip for him.
Another one I've experienced in Bangkok is the "Grand palace is closed for lunch", in front of the Palace while it was open. Perpetrated only a few yards from the entrance guards, who said nothing. Didn't fall for it, as I had read of it before.
Oh yeah, then there was the cab driver in Shanghai who gave me an extended tour of the city to drive up to the meter costs... but the difference was only a dollar or two and I enjoyed the view!
Have not experienced anything comparable in Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Bangkok x 10
A Khmer variation - "that hotel's shut, let me take you to a better one (sometimes it's true, but may equally be a shit hole where he gets commission)
A good price IMO is what you can get away with and still enjot the transaction. $10 in Siem Reap is realistic but harder to get in PP. 2000R should get you across central PP if you don't take no for an answer. In SR it's more if he's busy as the place is so tiny anyway (remember Angkor Wat is not 'in' SR though).
Can't imagine you would really want one except in PP to avoid the dust from the trip to the airport or maybe a day trip somewhere equally dusty. Just pay a bit more than a tuk-tuk
Best way of getting around most places - and some out of town places are only accessible by bike or 4x4. A bit less than a tuk-tuk.
It's just that most of your questions are how long is a piece of string. If you've read back that far you will have seen the silly arguments about whether to pay sod-all or less-than-sod-all for a bike to cross the street. The rest is up to you and your charm and ability to haggle.[/QUOTE]
Went to the newly opened cavern bar the other night in 104 street.early days,no food yet but it was really just another skinny gutted low ceilinged PP hole in the wall.Not cavernous enough for me.
By contrast the iris bar on the corner of 136 and 5,first corner from the river before huxleys is a beauty.The opening night was a cracker,heaps of free beer,a big pig on a spit and karaoke outside.there must have been 150 people there,rob huxley would have had smoke coming out of his ears.
It is a corner bar so very spacious with a lovely ceiling details all backlit and a acrylic floor with lights beneath that is a complete cockup.
Comfy seating and some really nice girls,we came back later in the night and sat outside and I was impressed by two girls in particular.
We ordered pizza from the candy bar next door,cheap and tasty.The candy is another comfy place,double width with dollar beers all day.
The same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress,you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
Iris soon to have food too apparently,there is a lot of seating outside and it is much more pleasant than the riverside.
Next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.
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[QUOTE=Sharka].From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?[/QUOTE]
I was thinking of visiting Vietnam last year and did my RTFF. I found out that there are several Vietnamese travel agencies that with a fee will have your visa waiting for you at the border/airport. Ask the guys at the Vietnam forum.
Go to Lucky Moto. Ask any motodop, they all know the place, and get a small kick back for taking you there. I used them for all my travel needs while in PP. They can get you a Viet Nam visa in a day or two.
Take the express Saigon bus unless you like standing in the sun for hours waiting to clear immigration.
[quote]Went to the newly opened cavern bar the other night in 104 street. Early days, no food yet but it was really just another skinny gutted low ceilinged PP hole in the wall. Not cavernous enough for me.
By contrast the iris bar on the corner of 136 and 5, first corner from the river before huxleys is a beauty. The opening night was a cracker, heaps of free beer, a big pig on a spit and karaoke outside. There must have been 150 people there, rob huxley would have had smoke coming out of his ears.
It is a corner bar so very spacious with a lovely ceiling details all backlit and a acrylic floor with lights beneath that is a complete cockup.
Comfy seating and some really nice girls, we came back later in the night and sat outside and I was impressed by two girls in particular.
We ordered pizza from the candy bar next door, cheap and tasty. The candy is another comfy place, double width with dollar beers all day.
The same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress, you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
Iris soon to have food too apparently, there is a lot of seating outside and it is much more pleasant than the riverside.
Next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.[/quote]I was watching the Iris Bar being built at xmass, I agree the ceiling and blacked out window look good, the floor was a bit over the top, how did the outside toilet go, much of a line up. Rue 5 is turning into a good little steet and the reggea bar will add to it. If they did something with the 2 building opposite huxly's and iris there would be no need to go to riverside at all. Is the cavarn bar owned by 69 bar and 104 bar?
[QUOTE=El Greco]I was thinking of visiting Vietnam last year and did my RTFF. I found out that there are several Vietnamese travel agencies that with a fee will have your visa waiting for you at the border/airport. Ask the guys at the Vietnam forum.[/QUOTE]Actually,
I did just that before posting here and it was their idea to ask it here instead, so go figure.
Thanks anyway.
Shark
[QUOTE=Southbound69]Hey there,
My Cambodian g/f and I just got a 2 week Vietnam visa at the embassy in Phnom Penh last March. I think the cost for both of us was about $65 USD. I filled out the applications for both of us and since they were getting ready to go to lunch they were rushing us to get the forms completed. We were in and out of there in less than 30 minutes with visas in hand. Make sure you bring a passport size photo.
Southbound69[/QUOTE]Thanks,
Not sure if prices are different if applying for Viet visa if citizen from differ. countries and perhaps your Cambo GF rates may also be alot cheaper. Mine is from US citizen so not sure if the rate is about $25 as I had remember from before?
Thanks Butt Ugly,
What was the cost of the Express HCMC bus from PP? and does this bus leave from the Central market or another part of town.
Thanks
Sharka
[quote=phil istine]the same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress,you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.
[/quote]
actually, i prefer the smaller bars. the big places usually have far too many **** virgins and other girls who are not available to barfine, and a less intimate atmosphere. then again, the first complaint also applies to bars 69, 136, and 104, which is why i seldom visit any of them.
[quote=handydan]rue 5 is turning into a good little steet and the reggea bar will add to it. if they did something with the 2 building opposite huxly's and iris there would be no need to go to riverside at all. is the cavarn bar owned by 69 bar and 104 bar?[/quote]
reggae bar should be interesting. it is going to be on the corner of 5 and 110, which is starting to develop into a nice little bar area. happy man, cloud 9, and domino all have decent lineups these days, and bada bing is not a bad place to go for dinner and a few drinks to get the night started.
yeah, barry owns all or part of each of those three plus bar 136, if i am not mistaken. he originally owned dv8, but no longer. the cavern is not going to be a hostess bar. it is just going to be a regular bar + restaurant, similar to velkommen inn, which is practically right next door. if he matches the quality of their food at the same prices, that will be great, but i will be surprised if he does.
The Best Bus to take from PP to HCMC is Mekong Express. I think it is upto $13 now. It leaves from Phsar Orresay street 184.
can anyone recommend a gym in PP to work out during the daytime?
[QUOTE=Amjeck]can anyone recommend a gym in PP to work out during the daytime?[/QUOTE]Go from Walkabout along Chiplay-Hotel to street63, turn left and after something like a 100 or 200 meters you will find a small sign that is leading to a gymn in a backyard on the left side.
I think also some of the 4- or 5-star-hotels have gymns
"Reggae Bar should be interesting. It is going to be on the corner of 5 and 110, which is starting to develop into a nice little bar area. Happy Man, Cloud 9, and Domino all have decent lineups these days, and Bada Bing is not a bad place to go for dinner and a few drinks to get the night started. "
I had some good times at Happy Man over Xmass, the one in the black I had a few times, thought she was a absolute stunner, tits where great, nipple did not look like a week old fried egg. She was not the best root! Khmer ladies seem to have the most ugly feet and never seem to lift them when they walk.
Dan
How many buses leave to and fro per day and how much time does it take. How does the immigaration system while travelling by road?
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]The Best Bus to take from PP to HCMC is Mekong Express. I think it is upto $13 now. It leaves from Phsar Orresay street 184.[/QUOTE]
There are three buses 7.30, 8.30 and 9.30. You need to have a vietnam visa as you can not get one at the border on arrival. This can be obtained in PP for $35 and is available the next day. The buss takes 6 hours door to door. The Mekong buss makes the border crossings pretty quick about 30 min for both. they take your passports and get them stamped in and out you just get off the buss and back on when your name is called.
Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.
[QUOTE=Tercar 66]Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.[/QUOTE]100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.
i 100% with cadreyboy, in PP girls are better GFE than HCM City both Viet or Cambo.QUOTE=Cadreyboy]100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tercar 66]Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.[/QUOTE]
My feeling is that PP will win out. I have not made it to HCMC yet as on my last try I ran into alot of problems trying to obtain the Viet visa , but plan to do so again shortly.
Just from what I know so far about HCMC, its difficult to get all the FS at a cheap price, but not the case in PP.
Also, from my own experiences, the Viets are more "professional" .
PT
The problem with vietnam, is vietnamese by law can not stay together in a hotel room together, without showing proof of marriage! And all vistitor too be out by 11 pm, and they keep your passport! So no LT! All hotels are ment to registor you information each day to the local boys in brown! There are ways around this, but is it worth paying tea money to the cops! PP is far better!
[QUOTE=Cadreyboy]100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.[/QUOTE]
I second that. Vietnam sucks and it took me ages to find some action. Viets in PP will be cheaper anyway.
I agree with what others have said regarding Vietnam. When I worked in Hue I had an interpreter hook me up with the right club, and with a girl. But I'm sure I wouldn't have found this club on my own, let alone been able to make arrangements with the girl, who spoke no English.
Also when I first arrived I had a reservation at an upscale hotel on the Perfume River. He (my American interpreter who was Vietnamese) quickly had me change to a lower scale, but still decent, hotel that he knew would allow me to take a Vietnamese girl back to my room for the night. Without his assistance, none of this would have happened.
In HCMC, on a separate visit, I was on my own. I got the "right" hotel, and went to a few of the "clubs" to meet a girl. I found one, paid, and brought her back to my hotel. It was decent, but within an hour the hotel management was knocking on my door quite anxious to get her out of there. What a hassle.
Thailand and Cambodia are much better, less money, and essentially no stress and hassle.
HCM is a much nicer city in my opinion but meeting ladies and then going to a hotel is tougher.
I found some very nice girls in the regional cities though.
Martinis is still good for viets I believe and obviously no hassles with hotels.
I think the Viet women are prettier.
Shamas O'Dognasty
I have heard, the government after thier effort in tiding up the river front, has now said no hostess bars allowed one block for the river front! Any truth in this?
That is what the owner of a hostess bar on St. 172 (not near the river) has been telling people, but I have talked to some bar owners who would be affected and they have not heard this, so who knows?
[QUOTE=Vmann]Go from Walkabout along Chiplay-Hotel to street63, turn left and after something like a 100 or 200 meters you will find a small sign that is leading to a gymn in a backyard on the left side.
I think also some of the 4- or 5-star-hotels have gymns[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Is this a proper gym or just some equipment outdoors?
Rumours of bars being banned from having hostesses within a block from the river probably true.
Times they are a changing in phnom penh.
depends on what the Cambo definition of a "block" is :)
"depends on what the Cambo definition of a "block" is "
Good point! For example on 136 street, would Iris Bar be included and Beaver Bar be exempt being on the other side of street 5? If a Hostess bar adds a menu and serves food, and all the lovly ladies are waitresses, is it classed as a hostess bar? Would bars like Candy, Rose and DV8 be exluded as they heve a menu and are Cambo run?
Just thought I would put in a word for the Asia Hotel (Hotel Asie) on Monivong Bvd as a good place to stay in PP.
Many mongers stay at the Flamingo Hotel ($25/35) which is a solid option (apparently with wifi near some of the clubs and bars.)
I've generally found them fully booked so tend to end up at the Asia. (Typically after a lengthy detour of other options prompted by commission seeking motodops at the bus station) Asia (nor Flamingo) don't pay commissions.
Asia is a convenient location near the central market. You can walk to the riverside in about 10 mins or take a motodop (2000-4000 r (0.5-1.0 $) depending on bargaining skills.
The basic rooms in the Asia which is a mid range hotel , a bit run down but nice beds and good friendly attitude are around $18-20. Larger rooms and ones with an in room wired internet connection go for around $30-40 inc unlimited internet usage. you typically have to bargain quite hard to get lower prices. The best rooms have wall to wall mirrors which can be very erotic if you enjoy watching yourself with a couple of cuties.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Just thought I would put in a word for the Asia Hotel (Hotel Asie) on Monivong Bvd as a good place to stay in PP.
Many mongers stay at the Flamingo Hotel ($25/35) which is a solid option (apparently with wifi near some of the clubs and bars.)
I've generally found them fully booked so tend to end up at the Asia. (Typically after a lengthy detour of other options prompted by commission seeking motodops at the bus station) Asia (nor Flamingo) don't pay commissions.
Asia is a convenient location near the central market. You can walk to the riverside in about 10 mins or take a motodop (2000-4000 r (0.5-1.0 $) depending on bargaining skills.
The basic rooms in the Asia which is a mid range hotel , a bit run down but nice beds and good friendly attitude are around $18-20. Larger rooms and ones with an in room wired internet connection go for around $30-40 inc unlimited internet usage. you typically have to bargain quite hard to get lower prices. The best rooms have wall to wall mirrors which can be very erotic if you enjoy watching yourself with a couple of cuties.[/QUOTE]Greg,
I stay at Asia hotel about 6 yr ago on my first trip to PP ,it was run down then and need remodeling ,they have a prono cable tv channel that is nice but the last 2 trip stay at the New york and Sakura hotel much nicer ,only $32 usd a night with free pick up at the airport.
Fast eddie 48
Anyone can offer any info about the massage place for the above?
Have heard before from the locals that the massage place in both these hotels are of upper class and pricy too. Greatful to hear some tips or gals' #. cheers
Folks, I'll be back in PP 27th of Feb - heading for the action at Cycree's, Martini and Walkabout plus maybe Sharky's, Happy Man and Bunny Bar.
ARe all of these still open or is there anything new to recommend ?
Appreciate the usual help round'here...
aside from the fact that Naga is also the casino in PP??
Flamingo has wifi on all their floors. It can be a bit loud in the morning when the temple has the loudspeakers going full blast, otherwise was OK. the safe in the room is nice to have at $25 a bit more than others but OK otherwise
never been to happy or bunny - others still in operation as of december
I just got back yesterday after 3 weeks away broken up between Thailand and 9 days in PP Cambodia. I had a great trip even though prices are rising rapidly compared to a few years back but Cambodia is still cheap.
My whole trip went great and there is not much more I can add regarding mongering tips in PP that has not already been written here already. The only thing I can think of is, that the day time price for freelancers at bars like Walkabout is $15 average but you can get $10 short time. I did several times. They will ask for $20 to $30 to start with. The nighttime prices seems to be around $15 to $30 asking price for short time but $20 is average and depends on your negotiating skills.
I do though have an unpleasant story from the Flamingo Hotel where I stayed. Firstly they advertise free airport pick up and I asked about drop off and they said on the phone it is free, WRONG! Pick up is free but drop off is USD$7. That was just the small issue the big one was that I made my reservation for the standard $25 per day room. I emailed them several times asking to confirm $25 per night as I usually do. They ignored my request. I emailed again and they confirmed they were holding a room for me but again did not confirm the $25 quoted on their web site. When I arrived I verbally confirmed $25 with the afternoon manager called Bono. He agreed and showed me to my room but nothing in writing.
All went well and the service was great for a 3rd world cheap Asian mongering hotel until it was check out time. I ask for the bill and they are trying to charge me $35 per day for a superior room. What? The room I was in was very basic, nothing superior about it at all and looked like any standard room in any other cheap hotel. I showed them my emails stating I wanted a $25 room and they produced an email showing that I had requested a superior room! Conflicting emails. What the? I asked them to show me my first reservation request email sent to them from their web site and mysteriously, it has been deleted. I wrote "$25 room only" in the comment box during my reservation requests, that’s why it got deleted haha. What they did was changed my request from a standard room to a superior room (which is in the fine print of there email and not easy to see) and then replied as if I had asked for a superior room. Dirty trick! Anyway, fortunately I kept all my emails but still they would not let up. I had 4 of the staff arguing this point with me at the same time. Many guys would have got intimidated and just paid but not me. I have a thing about dishonesty. Talk about intimidation! I stood my ground and the whole thing lasted over one hour. I insisted that the afternoon manager be called in (it was still morning). They called him on the phone and I went through every email and every conversation I had with him, as he was my contact there and I spoke to him mainly and he replied to my emails, he could not deny it. After more argument, he got on the phone to the morning manager and said, "It's O.K." and they charged me the right price. I was really pissed off by this trick and they knew it. I couldn't look any of them in the face for the rest of the day and I was leaving in a few hours. I then didn’t trust them even with my bags so as I was packed and checking out, I took my bags to Walkabout Hotel and left them with the manager behind the bar. Earlier, I was friendly with all of the Flamingo staff and tipping them daily etc but from that point they got nothing from me. They then charged me for laundry I had already paid cash for which I took on the chin and shut up as it was only a $2.70 but before leaving I confronted the guy I had earlier paid this to and said, “ I was going to give you all a $10 tip but now you get nothing" and walked off. At this point they realized that they were messing with the wrong guy and I would not be intimidated by them.
As you can see, it left a bad taste in my mouth. As I was leaving, the staff were trying the same thing on an American guy who was complaining as I left.
Conclusion: Get the room price in writing from the Flamingo if not, don’t stay there. The rooms are no better than the $12 Walkabout hotel room but the hotel itself is much nicer and you get breakfast.
FYI, it costs $20 for a tourist visa to get into the country at the airport and $25 for an exit visa to leave. Sounds like the Flamingo is not the only con here hahah.
Good luck and stay sharp.
Cheers
This is nothing new. Most of the Cambodians are pretty well known for ripping off tourist. They would do whatever they could to make a dollar of two from foreigners. I guess poverty has a lot to do with it.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]I just got back yesterday after 3 weeks away broken up between Thailand and 9 days in PP Cambodia. I had a great trip even though prices are rising rapidly compared to a few years back but Cambodia is still cheap.
My whole trip went great and there is not much more I can add regarding mongering tips in PP that has not already been written here already. The only thing I can think of is, that the day time price for freelancers at bars like Walkabout is $15 average but you can get $10 short time. I did several times. They will ask for $20 to $30 to start with. The nighttime prices seems to be around $15 to $30 asking price for short time but $20 is average and depends on your negotiating skills.
I do though have an unpleasant story from the Flamingo Hotel where I stayed. Firstly they advertise free airport pick up and I asked about drop off and they said on the phone it is free, WRONG! Pick up is free but drop off is USD$7. That was just the small issue the big one was that I made my reservation for the standard $25 per day room. I emailed them several times asking to confirm $25 per night as I usually do. They ignored my request. I emailed again and they confirmed they were holding a room for me but again did not confirm the $25 quoted on their web site. When I arrived I verbally confirmed $25 with the afternoon manager called Bono. He agreed and showed me to my room but nothing in writing.
All went well and the service was great for a 3rd world cheap Asian mongering hotel until it was check out time. I ask for the bill and they are trying to charge me $35 per day for a superior room. What? The room I was in was very basic, nothing superior about it at all and looked like any standard room in any other cheap hotel. I showed them my emails stating I wanted a $25 room and they produced an email showing that I had requested a superior room! Conflicting emails. What the? I asked them to show me my first reservation request email sent to them from their web site and mysteriously, it has been deleted. I wrote "$25 room only" in the comment box during my reservation requests, that’s why it got deleted haha. What they did was changed my request from a standard room to a superior room (which is in the fine print of there email and not easy to see) and then replied as if I had asked for a superior room. Dirty trick! Anyway, fortunately I kept all my emails but still they would not let up. I had 4 of the staff arguing this point with me at the same time. Many guys would have got intimidated and just paid but not me. I have a thing about dishonesty. Talk about intimidation! I stood my ground and the whole thing lasted over one hour. I insisted that the afternoon manager be called in (it was still morning). They called him on the phone and I went through every email and every conversation I had with him, as he was my contact there and I spoke to him mainly and he replied to my emails, he could not deny it. After more argument, he got on the phone to the morning manager and said, "It's O.K." and they charged me the right price. I was really pissed off by this trick and they knew it. I couldn't look any of them in the face for the rest of the day and I was leaving in a few hours. I then didn’t trust them even with my bags so as I was packed and checking out, I took my bags to Walkabout Hotel and left them with the manager behind the bar. Earlier, I was friendly with all of the Flamingo staff and tipping them daily etc but from that point they got nothing from me. They then charged me for laundry I had already paid cash for which I took on the chin and shut up as it was only a $2.70 but before leaving I confronted the guy I had earlier paid this to and said, “ I was going to give you all a $10 tip but now you get nothing" and walked off. At this point they realized that they were messing with the wrong guy and I would not be intimidated by them.
As you can see, it left a bad taste in my mouth. As I was leaving, the staff were trying the same thing on an American guy who was complaining as I left.
Conclusion: Get the room price in writing from the Flamingo if not, don’t stay there. The rooms are no better than the $12 Walkabout hotel room but the hotel itself is much nicer and you get breakfast.
FYI, it costs $20 for a tourist visa to get into the country at the airport and $25 for an exit visa to leave. Sounds like the Flamingo is not the only con here hahah.
Good luck and stay sharp.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I did stay at flamingos 2 times but the service did indeed go down deep. Arriving a few minutes to late for free breakfast and they will make you pay for it. If I have to pay I can have better options outside, just walk out. All the rooms are very basic no need to choose the superior one. One of the night staff at reception did have the guts to ask me for 10$. Later he did say he would pay me back. Every night when returning from outside I had to chase the guard from the quest computer in the lobby and if it wasn't him most of the time it would be the other staff. Just showing up and looking at them wouldn't make my intentions clear everytime I had to ask some of the '' english speaking'' staff to chase the guard away and to do his job. 80% of the staff there shouldn't be working in the tourist industry. One more annoying thing they keep standing behind me while I was connected to yahoo messenger and trying to read my conversations. In the past I did think the Thai were chasing away the tourist but now it is clear that the Cambodians are doing the same. One more the use of mobiles during working hours (but this was at a riverside restaurant) I pretended to take a photo and show it to her boss who would come to pick up the money in the afternoon! Anyway a lot of tourist will not be able to travel there because of the worldwide crisis so maybe it will be better after a few years.
Greetings,
Frits
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Quote: This is nothing new. Most of the Cambodians are pretty well known for ripping off tourist. They would do whatever they could to make a dollar of two from foreigners. I guess poverty has a lot to do with it.
Believe it or not I found everyone in PP more honest with my change in bars or motor taxi prices etc than in Bangkok. I actually was expecting a big rip off city based on what I had read but I found the opposite.
The Flamingo Hotel issue has little to do with poverty. The owners are rich and this scam is a well-orchestrated way to rip off customers. I can understand a poor tuk tuk driver who makes $10 a day trying to charge $1 more for a ride but a big hotel like this? No way.
Cheers
There is NO EXIT VISA - yes, there IS a $25 fee to FLY OUT - but it is an AIRPORT FEE. You can take a BUS for "no exit charge except for the bus cost" (and take 12 hours getting back to BKK as well)
Look at your BKK fees and you will see 500B AIRPORT FEE there, too
To get from Flamingo to PNH you can take a moto rickshaw for $6 or Flamingo's mini for $7. I like the chance to take candid pictures from the back of the moto Of course, it's not aircon...
the main ting Flamingo has going for it compared to WA is a LIFT the second thing is WiFi and the third is the in-room SAFE. Once WA opens the hotel that used to be ChipLay (next door) the lift issue goes away
Phnom Penh is a small size city. It really does not matter where you stay unless you want everything within walking distance. Who would want to walk around in the middle of night anyway?
Motos are cheap. generally $1 or less. Tuk Tuk are $2 anywhere.
Generally all hotels try to sqeeze you for more money saying they gave you a better room. Who knows what are the other rooms are like?
This clearly shows it is better to book through agoda, asiatravel etc rather than directly from the hotel. There are many internet cafe's around. No need to worry about wi fi.
I usually stay at Riverside hotel. Walking distance to many clubs. Breakfast is not that good. Rooms are ok for $30/night. Little run down hotel but clean and they are very friendly. They have safe downstairs not in the room.
There is a massage place within 2 blocks . Charge is $8 for 2 hours. did not ask for extras.
Hi Guys,
I spend a lot of time in Vietnam and China / HK and am coming for the first time to PP next month.
Having RTFF I still have a few questions which I hope one of the more experienced of you could help me out with :
I will probably be staying at the Intercon or another 5 star hotel. Is there a 5 star hotel which has in house massage with FS or a bar where FL hang out?
Am I restricted to Casa or Holiday Manhattan if the above is my criteria. Neither of these hotels look like 5 star from their websites.
I read a report about a bar call ed Moscow anybody have more info on that?
Thanks,
Dabeast
Thanks for the info on Flamingos Blastoff. I was seriously considering staying there this upcoming May, but believe I will try somewhere else now.
First of all, can't really compare the Flamingo to the Walkabout. I had stayed at both for 2 nites each and the difference is great. The Flamingo (overall hotel and rooms ) would be consider a 1st class place compare to the Walkabout room I stayed in (very dark/ run down-also a sense that place is not that clean), but what do you expect as the price of a Walkabout room is about 1/3 or less than the Flamingo.
Only real advantages to Walkabout:
1) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap room.
2) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap beer.
3) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap f**k.
Disclaimer:
Just my experiences of course as yours may vary.
Shark
[QUOTE=Dabeast]Hi Guys,
I spend a lot of time in Vietnam and China / HK and am coming for the first time to PP next month.
Having RTFF I still have a few questions which I hope one of the more experienced of you could help me out with :
I will probably be staying at the Intercon or another 5 star hotel. Is there a 5 star hotel which has in house massage with FS or a bar where FL hang out?
Am I restricted to Casa or Holiday Manhattan if the above is my criteria. Neither of these hotels look like 5 star from their websites.
I read a report about a bar call ed Moscow anybody have more info on that?
Thanks,
Dabeast[/QUOTE]
Hi There,
You will have a lot of fun in PP.
All hotels even cheap ones either have massage or will call a girl to your room for you for either massage, massage with a happy ending or full sex no problem.
If you are staying at a 5 Star hotel then you can afford to spend a little money and get much higher class girls from clubs and better establishments that Walkabout and Martini's. If you can afford to spend around USD$100 per day on drinks and high-class girls, you will have the time of your life in PP.
One of the best references to what is where is the local pocket book available free from many hotel lobbies and bookstores or on line. Here is the web site: [url]www.cambodiapocketguide.com[/url]
There are 3 different guides available, the Dining & Drinking (which has the most information on bars etc) The Out and About which is great for travelling and the After Dark which is a little disappointing as more is covered in the Dining & Drinking.
Have fun.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]
The Flamingo Hotel issue has little to do with poverty. The owners are rich and this scam is a well-orchestrated way to rip off customers. I can understand a poor tuk tuk driver who makes $10 a day trying to charge $1 more for a ride but a big hotel like this? No way.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
It's too bad to read about this sort of thing going on at Flamingo.
I haven't been in a couple of years, but it sure seems like the service has dropped way off since Frank, the previous GM, died. Well, technically, he quit, then dropped dead a few days later. :( But he never would have put up with crap like this.
I will say I had trouble with the free pickup. On two consecutive trips, a year apart, the moron pick-up guy didn't show. I complained about it the first time, but they were insistent that he did show, but I wasn't there. I didn't press it, as the fact of the matter was that there were two flights from BKK, both landing about the same time, although they did know my flight information. But the second time, I wouldn't take no for an answer. They relented and gave me a free return trip to the airport.
The front desk staff were always kind and very helpful.
Again, too bad. Sounds like it's become a typically Khmer-run joint now.
[QUOTE=Phordphan]Sounds like it's become a typically Khmer-run joint now.[/QUOTE]So true. I used to really like the place when they opened and Frank was in charge. I stayed loyal even after they went all-Khmer and standards started dropping. But the last couple times were just hopeless -- missing reservations, dodgy housekeeping, just a general sense that they're doing the absolute minimum possible to keep the place running. Even the Walkabout has a better feeling to it, and that's pretty faint praise.
Asia Palace Hotel new hotel just open ,I like to know if any one stay here yet ,look like a nice hotel $ 40 usd for a standard double next to central market .
[url]www.aisapalacehotel.com[/url] # 219 monivong bivd
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Sharka]
Only real advantages to Walkabout:
1) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap room.
2) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap beer.
3) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap f**k.
[/QUOTE]That sounds ok to me. Presumably the rooms aren't so bad that one wouldn't be able to bring girls back.
I've not been to PP yet but will be popping my PP cherry in November (sigh.. so far away). I'll be in Cambodia for a couple of weeks and plan on traveling around a bit but definitely want to spend long enough in PP to sample all the delights I've heard about. After all, you don't travel that far without making sure you get to experience everything on offer!!
Seems like a good hotel and has a good deal for 3 nights. I just read in general info the PHP is a dangerous place . How safe it is compared to HCM. Personality wise, which girls are better. Vietnamese or Cambodian. I don't like the skinny ones nor the bulky one. I love good asses. I have to make this trip before this month end. Thanks for all the info.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Asia Palace Hotel new hotel just open ,I like to know if any one stay here yet ,look like a nice hotel $ 40 usd for a standard double next to central market .
[url]www.aisapalacehotel.com[/url] # 219 monivong bivd
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tercar 66]Seems like a good hotel and has a good deal for 3 nights. I just read in general info the PHP is a dangerous place . How safe it is compared to HCM. Personality wise, which girls are better. Vietnamese or Cambodian. I don't like the skinny ones nor the bulky one. I love good asses. I have to make this trip before this month end. Thanks for all the info.[/QUOTE]
Hi, I was there a few weeks back and I suggest that you don't compromise and try both. I have had good and bad lays from both so it is not a Vietnamese vs Cambodian thing, it is individual girls that are good or bad in bed like any country more or less. You will have a better chance of finding a full and rounded ass with Cambodian girls as Vietnamese usually have a flatter ass but their skin is whiter.
As for danger, I found the street in general far safer and less hassle that Bangkok or Saigon. No one other than the Tuk Tuk or motorbike taxies even talks to you. I felt very safe day and night but of coarse keep your eyes and ears open anywhere you travel.
I suggest that you sample everything and decide for yourself.
Best of luck
Blastoff
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Thanks. Is this a proper gym or just some equipment outdoors?[/QUOTE]Not a really bigo one. Today I had a workout at Paddies Gymn (price 3 $), 50 meters away from the Japanese bridge. Big one with a kind of warehouse-atmosphere, good one.
If you go from the circle around the National Monument the road to Monivong after 150 meters there is a six floor building. In the fourth and fifth floor you can see people doing their workout on steppers eg. Seems quite western styled, but I"ve never been inside.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Hi There,
You will have a lot of fun in PP.
All hotels even cheap ones either have massage or will call a girl to your room for you for either massage, massage with a happy ending or full sex no problem.
If you are staying at a 5 Star hotel then you can afford to spend a little money and get much higher class girls from clubs and better establishments that Walkabout and Martini's. If you can afford to spend around USD$100 per day on drinks and high-class girls, you will have the time of your life in PP.
One of the best references to what is where is the local pocket book available free from many hotel lobbies and bookstores or on line. Here is the web site: [url]www.cambodiapocketguide.com[/url]
There are 3 different guides available, the Dining & Drinking (which has the most information on bars etc) The Out and About which is great for travelling and the After Dark which is a little disappointing as more is covered in the Dining & Drinking.
Have fun.[/QUOTE]Hey Blastoff,
Thanks for the info and will report back if I find any high class fun in my short trip.
Dabeast.
[QUOTE=Aussie Fella]That sounds ok to me. Presumably the rooms aren't so bad that one wouldn't be able to bring girls back!![/QUOTE]My room comparison was based on Walkabout vs Flamingo only and Flamingo wins out completely as rooms/ place nicer and cleaner.
Walkabout is ok (if you can call it that) but still much nicer than the backpacker places I also stay in sometimes.
As to bringing girls back , don't worry, they practically encourge that at Walkabout and rooms here will still be much better than the rooms they live in at home.
I'll be in PP in a couple of weeks , staying at the Intercontinental - anyone give any advice as to opportunities around that area , or anything happening in hotel spa ?
Many thanks
You will have no problems at intercontinental book massage in your room and they will offer happy ending, also if you want a stunner ask concierge and he will get you the girls normally reserved for asian visitors.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Hi, I was there a few weeks back and I suggest that you don't compromise and try both. I have had good and bad lays from both so it is not a Vietnamese vs Cambodian thing, it is individual girls that are good or bad in bed like any country more or less. You will have a better chance of finding a full and rounded ass with Cambodian girls as Vietnamese usually have a flatter ass but their skin is whiter.
As for danger, I found the street in general far safer and less hassle that Bangkok or Saigon. No one other than the Tuk Tuk or motorbike taxies even talks to you. I felt very safe day and night but of coarse keep your eyes and ears open anywhere you travel.
I suggest that you sample everything and decide for yourself.
Best of luck
Blastoff[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. We just can't generalise things. Different girl has different service and not dependent of their race or country of origin.
I once had a Russian in Phnom Phen but service was really bad and I even suspected she was on drug as she stayed long time in the bathroom. I kicked her out mid night even though I paid for over night.
Sometimes it is just our luck!
Hi Lvr37,
Thanks for you comments. I am curious to hear how, when and where you found a Russian in PP. I know in the early 1990's there were a lot of Russians living there (that’s why the biggest market there is called the Russian market) but I did not see any Russian girls around last month.
Please tell this story here.
Best regards
Blastoff
Many thanks Cam Bodia for your advice on the Intercontinental. My 1st time there, and not wanting to overpay. What tip should I give the girl and concierge I guess!
[QUOTE=Toony]Many thanks Cam Bodia for your advice on the Intercontinental. My 1st time there, and not wanting to overpay. What tip should I give the girl and concierge I guess![/QUOTE]Just book a massage cost $25 to the hotel massage was the best I've had, after massage the girl offered f/s and the cost was $30
The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Hi Lvr37,
Thanks for you comments. I am curious to hear how, when and where you found a Russian in PP. I know in the early 1990's there were a lot of Russians living there (that’s why the biggest market there is called the Russian market) but I did not see any Russian girls around last month.
Please tell this story here.
Best regards
Blastoff[/QUOTE]
I was at a night club with a local guy. He was the one who talked me into trying out Russian. He called the mammy and two came over. They were not pretty, tall and skinny. I think it must be the Asian man's ego that I agreed to try. She has very small tits and you could feel bone everywhere! My friend who took the other girl also complained.
A month after I took her I heard she was staying with a man from Africa. He seems to provide her with everything. But that was way back in 2006. I have not heard of them.
If you are interested, you may try to as the mammy at any of the night clubs. They will sure to know where to get one for you if they still have them.
Is any body in PP at the moment it seem's very quiet thinking about going out in April, is Cyrcee and Martinis open.
Did Sophies ever reopen?
Please let us know, things were slowing down last march on our last visit.
When we read reports on here it just seems very quiet, most of the reports are regarding hotels and travel plans.
Martinis is open. Sophies is still closed, and doubt it will ever open again. Cyrcee's is open, but it's not the same as before. You have to take the girls off of the premises.
If you're coming in April, be aware that the Khmer New Year is April 13th, 14th, and 15th. Unless you're coming for that reason, I'd pick another time. Many businesses will be closed, and a lot of the girls will make trips to their provinces.
La Cyrcee is a "take-out" establishment now as Roguesta reported. Decent number of girls (decent looking as well).
In case anyone wants to know the current asking prices :
$15 (for girl) + $5 (bf) + $7 (room around the corner) = $27.00
Dropped by Rosies (104) bar 2 nights ago. Lots of girls swarming around, some of them were really good looking. Not too much sausage when I stopped by so odds were real nice. Had a whole table of them to myself. Its a fun place, minimal pressure to take or buy lady drinks. 104 as a whole seemed to be a whole lot less crowded than I remember. Must be the hard economy. I stayed abour 2 hours, bought rounds for the giggling girls around me, bill at the end (for drinks only) was less than $30. 00.
Interesting how two people can be in the same bar on the same night and have totally different opinions. I actually find there to be more pressure to buy lady drinks at Rose Bar than anywhere in town--but it is somewhat subtle. Basically, if you don't buy a drink quickly, the girl(s) will just wander away.
The location that housed Sophies is now occupied. Not sure if it is some kind of business, or a house like it was before Sophies opened. Either way, I think we can assume Sophies is gone forever.
The asking price in Cyrcee is probably going to be $20 if you are not a regular, but as Localboy said, the correct price to pay is $15. There are some lookers there, and the owner is quite a nice guy, but $27 is just too much to pay in this town for ST IMO. However, if you are here for a short trip, and especially if you are the kind of guy who does multiple girls in a day, then it may well be a good option.
Every single girl I have asked in the last week said she was going home to the province for Khmer New Year. If I keep getting the same answer, I think I will be leaving town that week. This is going to be one boring place.
[QUOTE=Cam Bodia]J
The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.[/QUOTE]
Girls are viet, cambo, or chinese?
[quote=hippie]interesting how two people can be in the same bar on the same night and have totally different opinions. i actually find there to be more pressure to buy lady drinks at rose bar than anywhere in town--but it is somewhat subtle. basically, if you don't buy a drink quickly, the girl (s) will just wander away.
haha. you are absolutely correct! i spend too much time in thailand & pi. the girls there pressure you (vocally) for drinks. usually within a few microseconds after you sit down. i wish they would take some notes from the rose girls and "wander away".
stopped by 136 (pussycat) last night. watched a old european guy get upset because the girl that "promised to marry him" earlier in the day, was sitting (and making out) with another guy. he didn't get mad at the guy (spent most of the time yelling at the girl), although he did kind of slap him (the guy was younger, larger, but obviously had good temper management).
old man left to sulk and eventually found another "wife candidate" in the same bar, girl left (probably felt humiliated), and the innocent guy sat there for an hour or so before he left.
anyway, after the fuss, the owner came in (who is the same girl that owns rosies on 104) with a few friends. i guess it was her birthday or something so they got up on the bar and started dancing. fun bar. not bad looking girls (not as nice as rosies, but a couple of cuties). watching the owner dance on the bar (she has huge breasts) was very entertaining.
i bounced around the little bars around the area, accidently discoverd (and quickly departed from) the lady-boy bar next to pussycat. (sorry, i didn't get the name of the place, i was too busy leaving).
i enjoyed my stay in cambodia. its refreshing from the high-speed, high-pressure atmosphere of thailand (cowboy & nana) and pi (makati/ermita). the girls are friendly and prices are great ($27 is unreal low. i am jealous of you guys that live here). reminds me of pi 15 years ago.
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[QUOTE=Roguesta]If you're coming in April, be aware that the Khmer New Year is April 13th, 14th, and 15th. Unless you're coming for that reason, I'd pick another time. Many businesses will be closed, and a lot of the girls will make trips to their provinces.[/QUOTE]I will be in Bangkok at easter and was looking forward to going to Phnom Penh for a few days. Guess it won't be so much fun. Would it be better to visit on, say, the 10th or the 19th or will it also be dead then?
[QUOTE=Localboy]I bounced around the little bars around the area, accidently discoverd (and quickly departed from) the lady-boy bar next to Pussycat. (sorry, I didn't get the name of the place, I was too busy leaving).[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha.
I vote for this as funniest anecdote so far in 2009!
Thanks for giving me a good laugh.
[QUOTE=Anorig]I will be in Bangkok at easter and was looking forward to going to Phnom Penh for a few days. Guess it won't be so much fun. Would it be better to visit on, say, the 10th or the 19th or will it also be dead then?[/QUOTE]
I would think either will be OK, but especially the 19th. The girls I have asked are only going to be gone 2-5 days.
Paris Hotel is now charging $6 for a 1 hr massage and $11 for 2 hrs. Not having ever visited before and not having read reports from any ISG members who have visited, I was unsure what the going rate was for extras. The 3rd floor fishbowl was pretty busy at around 4pm, with perhaps 20 or 30 ladies.
I picked one out who the mamasan told me had good English and we went to our room together on the 4th floor. Her first action was to turn on the TV and turn the channel til she found a football game. I asked her to turn it off, and to her credit she did. Then she asked me to strip and we negotiated for extras. I told her I was only interested in a HJ, not BJ or FS. She quoted me $50. This put a sour taste in my mouth from the beginning. This girl's first impulse is to watch TV and charge me $50 for extras on top of a $6 charge for the massage? She wanted this much for a few minutes work in a country where most people make around $50 / month? This seemed insane, and I felt the experience wasn't going to be a good one, so I left. She tried to lower the price - $30, then $20, then at the last minute she desperately cried out "$10!", but by that time I was already half out the door and was convinced this wasn't going to be a fun experience. I was in the room less than 5 minutes and left without being charged for anything.
Later the same day I noticed Paradis massage on 136 Street. It's not hard to find. It's maybe 3 or 4 blocks away from the river, and has a huge sign up top promoting it. It looks like it used to be a movie theater. Fishbowl was smaller than Hotel Paris, with around 15 girls. Unfortunately no one seemed to speak any English except one guy who helped me translate with the lady I selected. The price we negotiated came out to a few dollars for the massage (I forget - around $5) and $10 for HJ. I would have gone with this, except the lady looked really uncomfortable. She didn't respond when I gave her a friendly wave. This didn't seem like it would be a good time, so I declined and left.
Both of these places have potential if I would have chosen a different girl and/or been more familiar with the town and the language. Call it a learning experience. At least saying "No" is free.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]Paris Hotel is now charging $6 for a 1 hr massage and $11 for 2 hrs. Not having ever visited before and not having read reports from any ISG members who have visited, I was unsure what the going rate was for extras. The 3rd floor fishbowl was pretty busy at around 4pm, with perhaps 20 or 30 ladies.
I picked one out who the mamasan told me had good English and we went to our room together on the 4th floor. Her first action was to turn on the TV and turn the channel til she found a football game. I asked her to turn it off, and to her credit she did. Then she asked me to strip and we negotiated for extras. I told her I was only interested in a HJ, not BJ or FS. She quoted me $50. This put a sour taste in my mouth from the beginning. This girl's first impulse is to watch TV and charge me $50 for extras on top of a $6 charge for the massage? She wanted this much for a few minutes work in a country where most people make around $50 / month? This seemed insane, and I felt the experience wasn't going to be a good one, so I left. She tried to lower the price - $30, then $20, then at the last minute she desperately cried out "$10!", but by that time I was already half out the door and was convinced this wasn't going to be a fun experience. I was in the room less than 5 minutes and left without being charged for anything.
Later the same day I noticed Paradis massage on 136 Street. It's not hard to find. It's maybe 3 or 4 blocks away from the river, and has a huge sign up top promoting it. It looks like it used to be a movie theater. Fishbowl was smaller than Hotel Paris, with around 15 girls. Unfortunately no one seemed to speak any English except one guy who helped me translate with the lady I selected. The price we negotiated came out to a few dollars for the massage (I forget - around $5) and $10 for HJ. I would have gone with this, except the lady looked really uncomfortable. She didn't respond when I gave her a friendly wave. This didn't seem like it would be a good time, so I declined and left.
Both of these places have potential if I would have chosen a different girl and/or been more familiar with the town and the language. Call it a learning experience. At least saying "No" is free.[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I can relate to this and can give you my view on why I feel this happens sometimes especially when the girl gives you no reactions when u smile or wave. Many of the girls in fish bowls, especially the ones from Vietnam are not there completely of their own free will. Many are tricked into coming there from their villages with the promise of working as a house girl etc. Once they arrive they find themselves owing the organizers of their trip a lot of money and no job. They are then forced and intimidated into the sex trade to pay their debit but they really don't want to be there. These kind of girls speak no English and looks terrified as you look at them or choose them. You can't expect good service from a girl in this position and unfortunately for them, much of Asia has this problem of tricking girls into being sex workers. The best service is always from a willing participant.
The $50 girl you mentioned, well that is the "wish price" for girls in Cambodia and as you were new she tried it on you. Anywhere between $5 to $20 for extras depending on the class of the establishment you got them from and how hot looking she is is the right price.
Hope this helps you understand a little better how things work there.
Happy Hunting.
Does anybody know how to contact Sovann Mee, the driver. I used him last year and he did a great job. I did a search on the site but didn't get anything newer than a couple of years ago.
Last year he was hurting for money so he may have quit. I will be in PP in a few days and would like to hire him again.
AF
[quote=ancientfornicatr]does anybody know how to contact sovann mee, the driver.[/quote]
banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system. this pm is one of several similar pms that were forwarded to me by forum members.
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Does anybody know how to contact Sovann Mee, the driver. I used him last year and he did a great job. I did a search on the site but didn't get anything newer than a couple of years ago.
Last year he was hurting for money so he may have quit. I will be in PP in a few days and would like to hire him again.
AF[/QUOTE]
Chhoeun Sovann, not the same as Sovan Mee, is an excellent driver and knows his way around town. Recommend you give him a try.
[url]http://phnompenhdriver.com/[/url]
Can any body tell me is this still open, the posts for PP are very quiet, the girls must be having a really hard time, we are thinking of visiting in two weeks but we don't want to go if it's so quiet we will just stay in Thailand.
What's going on please let us know.
[quote=mattrick]banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system. [/quote]
thanks for the heads up. if you tried to include a pm it didn't make it. i never had that problem as we would go out into the countryside as opposed to mongering. i don't need a driver for that in pp.
[QUOTE=Cam Bodia]Can any body tell me is this still open, the posts for PP are very quiet, the girls must be having a really hard time, we are thinking of visiting in two weeks but we don't want to go if it's so quiet we will just stay in Thailand.
What's going on please let us know.[/QUOTE]
I was there about 5 weeks aback and it was open and pumping with action every night.
Enjoy.
Blastoff
Night 1:
Arrived on an early morning flight from Siem Reap. After I checked in at my hotel I got a tuk tuk driver (who became my personal driver day and night) and checked out the main tourist stuff – National Museum (must see), Royal Palace (nice but not as good as Bkk) and Silver Pagoda (ditto). It gets real hot in Phnom Penh, so around 3pm I had had enough and relaxed by the hotel pool with a mango smoothie.
Around 7pm I went off for a nice dinner a Khmer Borane. It’s a nice restaurant with good local food on the riverfront. Over dinner I mapped my strategy and decided I would begin my night time diversions on 104 St. My tuk tuk guy dropped me off around 9pm and I told him to wait for me at the end of the street. I walked the up & and down 104st checking out the 10 – 20 bars. I looked in at onezerofour bar and saw only girls. They seemed friendly enough but since it was my first night in town, I preferred a bar with some other gringos in it.
I walked into Zanzibar a few doors down. A pretty bartendress greeted me with a big smile and I remember thinking she wouldn’t be bad to take home. Some other girls approached me but I shooed them away. I like to get the lay of the land before I commit to anything. Two other customers sat at the bar with 2-3 girls attending to their needs. I got a beer and sat down at a table against the wall to check the place out. Zanzibar is a small cozy bar. There must have been around 20 hostess girls and 70’s rock was playing not too loud on the speakers. I liked the place from the get go. I saw one girl I thought was pretty and asked her if I could buy her a drink. She sat down and we talked the usual talk. Her girlfriend approached and she wasn’t too bad either so I offered her a drink as well. After a while the pretty girl asks me if I would like to see her perform a temple dance. I said sure so both girls got up and started their little temple dance right in front of me, you know, with the hand and face movement. This was so cute and charming. I thought, so this is the Cambodian version of a geisha girl entertaining her client. It was really fetching. Then over at the bar 3 other girls got on top of the bar and started temple dancing for their customers. Now compare this to the bullshit movie “Coyote Ugly”, where in the movie the babes dance aggressively on the bar while 100 horney, frustrated men go nuts. The men in the movie can’t touch the girls let alone lay them. And that is what Hollywood thinks is sexy. I think it is uptight and repressive. I thought how lucky I was to be in Phnom Penh.
As I was finishing my beer, I asked the pretty girl, Tar, if we could go somewhere to be alone. She said sure. I asked how much. She said $20. Getty up! The hotel was very close by and clean. We started kissing and undressing and ended up in the shower. In the shower she gave me the usual dick, balls, ass cleaning while I kissed her, washed her pretty little tities and bumped her with my now hard cock. We dried off and continued the action in the bed. Lottsa of kissing and hugging followed up with a bare bj. I knew it wasn’t going to be long before I came, so I told Tar to put the condom on. Then we started to fuck. Tar was real sweet and her pussy felt fine. After I came we continued to cuddle. I suggested we take another shower. All clean and back in bed, Tar started to massage my feet, and then started working her way up my legs. When she got to the crotch, she gave me another blow job. Real nice! And this time she got on top. The 2nd lay was a lot longer than the first, and I let her do most of the work. I liked watching this pretty little Khmer girl go up and down on my dick. She had small round breasts. I sat up while still inside her and started kissing and fondling those pretty little breasts. It was a very nice affectionate lay. I am not naive or anything but it felt real good and real tender. A GFE moment.
The night before I had a pretty wild time at Sak San in Siem Reap (3 showers, 3 naked bj’s and 3 fucks) so even though this girl was delightful and more than willing to keep it going, we snuggled after the 2nd time and I suggested we go back to the bar. So arm in arm we made our way back to Zanzibar. When we walked in, all the girls welcomed us back, jubilantly. It was charming and I felt totally at home in this place. I bought some drinks for Tar, myself, her girlfriend, and the smiling cute bartendress. My girl stayed close to me the rest of the evening hugging me and occasionally touching my crouch. Around 12:30 I kissed her goodbye and a little reluctantly left. I told Tar she was a really nice girl, I really liked her, and I would see her again. We kissed. Oh yeah, back at the hotel I gave her a $8 tip.
Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver. He was sleeping in his vehicle. I woke him up saying “a fine kettle of fish. Sleeping on the job again.” He asked me where I wanted to go. I thought about it a minute and said let’s go to Martini’s. So off we went to the other side of town. It’s not that I wanted more action. It was just that I was on a natural high and did not want to go back to the hotel and sleep.
We got to Martini’s around 1am. As I entered the guy at the front door padded me down. I guess some gringos come to Martini’s with weapons. Anyway, I entered the club. They have a large garden area with lots of tables and there was an interesting mix of people – local dudes, gringos and girls. No one hit on me, so I after I got a beer I walked around the place, checking things out. There were a couple of tables with 3-4 girls sitting alone together. I noticed a tall skinny girl standing alone and guessed she was Vietnamese. (Actually it was obvious she wasn’t a Khmer girl). I asked her if she wanted a drink. She said yes so we sat down together. She had a nice personality, but I soon realized she was not my type. TOO THIN!!! She had ordered dinner before I approached her, so when the waiter brought it, I stayed and continued our conversation for a little bit, but then got up and excused myself. I said I was tired and maybe we would see each other another night.
I walked around the garden another time and checked out the disco. The disco was pitch black except for an occasional strobe light effect. The music was loud techno crap and I saw a lot of couples dancing to it. I could see that there were also some single girls in there, but it was impossible to tell if they were pretty or not. I lasted about 2 minutes before I left. Back outside in the beer garden, I walked around the area to see if there was any talent I might be interested in for the next night. Nobody really stood out, but I think I saw a couple girls that might be condom worthy. The 2nd time I walked around the area, some of the girls sitting at the tables started to show signs that they noticed me. It was around 1:45 so I left. I found my loyal tuk tuk guy waiting for me and I said let’s go to back to my hotel.
All in all it was a great evening. Zanzibar was a small, intimate, cozy bar where everybody made me feel right at home. In fact home was never as good as Zanzibar. Very Very Nice Girls. Martini’s was a much larger place and I have nothing bad to say about it except that it’s a long way to go and the disco kind of sucked. But the beer garden was fine and if I had sufficient “power” left, I am sure I could have hooked up with a nice Khmer girl.
Conclusion Zanzibar:
Ambiance 9.5 – a great little bar. I loved the temple dancing, sweet, little girls.
Selection of girls 8 – they had what I was looking for in little Tar.
Tar – a real lovely little girl. 22 years old. Face 8. Body 8. Sex 9. I had I real friendly, lovely time with her. As I dozed off into dreamland back at my hotel, I wondered if I would find the time to get back to Zanzibar. I knew I wanted to, but I only had 3 more nights. I had not checked out any of the other bars on 104 St. let alone the scene on Pasteur St.
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Night 2:
I started the day with with usual tourist stuff: breakfast at a French coffee shop on 240st, a visit to Wat Phnom, and then a friendly visit to Boeng Kak Lake (little Amsterdam). After Boeng Kak Lake, I wandered around the river front and had lunch. By 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I retired to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.
After a good dinner at Khmer Surin, I decided to return to 104st. It would have been a no brainer to go back to Zanzibar and hook up with the delightful Tar, but where is the adventure in that? So I decided to try out a different bar first and keep Zanzibar as a backup. So it was around 8:30 when I walked into Rose Bar directly opposite Zanzibar. Rose Bar is very similar to Zanzibar only slightly bigger. They have a pool room in the back and a couple of rooms on the 2nd floor. I sat down at the bar, got a beer, and looked around the place. Sitting at a table against the wall was a cute little girl with her hair combed back tight against her head. She looked good and I was about to make a move when a very pretty girl walked past me towards the pool room and broke my concentration. I drank my beer and decided to check out the pool room. As I entered the pool room, pretty girl was sitting alone at a table and 2 other attractive girls where playing pool. One of the girls asked if I wanted to play pool. I said I would prefer to just watch.
I smiled over at pretty girl, but she did not smile back! “That’s strange,” I thought, and I did not approach her. A few minutes passed by as I drank my beer and watched the girls play pool. The cute girl with the combed back hair came into the room and gave me a real friendly smile, so I asked her to sit down and have a drink. The cute girl’s name was Tava. She could not have weighed more than 87lbs. We started talking and I liked her. Occasionally, I glanced over at pretty girl who was sitting alone. I asked Tava what was up with pretty girl and Tava said “Oh, she doesn’t speak English and she is shy.” So I asked Tava to ask pretty girl if she wanted to join us and have a drink. Pretty girl’s face broke out into a big smile when Tava relayed my invitation, and pretty girl came over to my table.
So things were progressing nicely, but I could not decide on which girl to get it on with. Pretty girl was a looker (face = 8), but she spoke no English and seemed a little reserve. Tava on the other hand was very attractive and had a great personality. So Tava seemed like the way to go, but then it hit me, why not ask both girls out. Ménage ŕ trois! Tava liked the idea and pretty girl gave me another smile when she understood my invitation. But first things first: I asked Tava how much she would want for this arrangement. Tava said “whatever I thought was right,” but pretty girl insisted on $25. I told pretty girl $20 was the going rate, but she would not budge. Now this was a “tell”, a sign that something was not quite right with pretty girl. But I was sold on the ménage idea and I did not want to kill the mood by haggling over $5. In retrospect, I probably should have told pretty girl to forget it and left with Tava. But then I would not have this story to tell and the evening would have turned out completely different.
Tava said we could go to a hotel close by or go upstairs. The room upstairs was a couple dollars more and since I was already in for $50, I said let’s splurge and go upstairs. Walking up the stairs I was really looking forward to this and thought I would ravage pretty girl first and then take turns going back and forth between both girls. But in the room, the situation completely changed in an unpredictable yet enjoyable way. Tava and I started taking our clothes off right away, but pretty girl undressed very slowly. Tava and I jumped into the shower and I was amazed by her perfect little body! In her size and weight class, Tava was a 9.5 with perfect little “A” cup tittes, perfectly proportioned ass, and absolutely no body fat. I fell in love with her little body! We started the soapy shower massage thing. She soaped me up and washed my dick, balls and ass while I washed her breasts and, kissed her all over. But where the hell was pretty girl? I jumped out of the shower went into the bedroom with my erection leading the way. Pretty girl was still dawdling about. I said “come on girl, let’s get going, we’re having a good time in the shower.” Then I rejoined Tava and forgot about pretty girl. All clean and ready for love, Tava and I dried off and got on the bed. That’s when pretty girl went into the bathroom to take a shower. But I did not care. Tava and I made out pretty passionately for a while until she moved down and gave me a naked bj.
At this point, pretty girl joined us on the bed wrapped up in a towel. I sat up and started kissing pretty girl and said we don’t need this anymore, referring to the towel as I removed it. Then surprise, surprise! Pretty girl had lousy tits. I mean real saggy ones with brown nipples. Ugh! Her tits were around a 3 and that is being kind. But she was a good kisser and Tava was still blowing me, so what the hell. Soon I felt that things were going to erupt so I told Tava to put the condom on. Then I kissed Tava and rolled her over on her back and after a little preliminary kissing began to enter her pussy. Her pussy was fantastic, a perfect fit. It was tight and yet soft at the same time. I rate her pussy a 9.5.
We were only beginning to get it on when pretty girl climbed on top of me and started humping me. Pretty girl was the locomotion, I was the cream filling, and Tava was the object of my desire. When pretty girl pressed down on me, I went deep into Tava. When pretty girl let up, I moved partially out of Tava. Pretty girl set the pace. I don’t know how long this went on – 10 to 15 minutes I guess, when I decided it was now pretty girl’s turn to get some. I pulled out of Tava and told pretty girl to lie down. Pretty girl lied down, but when I started to mount her, she objected. She told Tava that in order for me to fuck her I had to change condoms. I laughed and said “you gotta be kidding. We don’t need to change condoms. You guys are sisters. One condom is fine.” But pretty girl would not give in. Now as everybody who is reading this report knows, pulling a condom off an erect penis is no laughing matter. So I told pretty girl to forget it and jumped back into Tava (which is where I wanted to be anyway). Pretty girl then got back on me and we continued our Cambodian Oreo cookie.
Eventually I exploded and rolled over on my side. Tava and I started kissing and pretty girl lay down on my other side, kissing my neck and shoulders. Tava cleaned me up and started massaging my dick. I started kissing pretty girl, but avoided her tits. And Lord above, it was not too long before I started to get hard again. Tava and I ran back into the shower to get all clean while pretty girl stayed behind. When we came out both girls dried me off and now pretty girl started to give some decent uncovered head. Soon I told her to put on a fresh condom and I started fucking pretty girl sidewinder style so that I was on a diagonal and could kiss Tava and her beautiful little breasts at the same time. In all fairness, pretty girl was not a bad lay. Once we got going, her attitude was ok and her pussy was fine. She could not help it if she had lousy tits, probably the result of nursing a kid or two. Thing was, she knew she had bad tits. That’s why she was shy about getting in the shower with us. And that’s why she wanted $25 not $20. She knew from bitter experience, that once a guy saw those hooters, tips were far and few between and repeat business nonexistent. So the $25 was like a standard charge plus an upfront tip. It was a little disingenuous on her part, but what’s a working girl supposed to do? I wasn’t too put out by it. If I hadn’t agreed to it I would have regretted not doing her. At least this way – no regrets.
After my 2nd orgasm, I layed on my back and fairly well spent. But both girls were not through with me yet. They started to massage my feet. Pretty girl started with my left foot, Tava with my right foot. Slowly, both girls worked their way up my legs till they got to my cock. Tava and I took another little shower and then she went down on me again. I was now ready for round #3. This time Tava got on top and slowly inserted my cock into her little hole. It was great! Meanwhile pretty girl lay alongside me and started kissing my nipples, neck, and ear. I don’t know how much time elapsed. I was unaware of time. But eventually I came and together all three of us lay side by side exhausted.
Like ALL my other Cambodian experiences, it was me, not the girl(s) who finally called it a night. I was definitely out of “power.” We slowly dressed and I asked just for fun how much the girls really wanted. Pretty girl repeated she wanted $25, Tava again said she whatever I thought was right. I gave both of them $25 and then as we left the room I held Tava back and gave her an extra $8. She smiled and gave me a very passionate kiss.
Downstairs I bought the girls a round of drinks. Tava leaned up close. Occasionally we kissed and she would rub my groin. Pretty girl sat opposite us and smiled. The bartendress put a Shakira concert video in the DVD player and it was charming to see all the girls in the bar stop what they were doing transfixed by the video. I asked Tava if she could dance like Shakira. She blushed and said no way. Her modesty in reaction to my question is one of the reasons why Cambodian girls are so appealing. I mean come on! This girl just blew me twice, fucked the daylights out of me twice, and participated in a three way and she is slightly embarrassed when I ask if she can shake her hips in sexually provocative way. I love Cambodian women.
It was around midnight when I decided to leave. I told Tava I really liked her and I wanted to see her again, alone. Tava said she thought that would be better, but told me she was going to see her mother or something and would not be in the bar the next night. That was fine with me, because I figured I really needed to check out 51st . I only had 2 nights left in Phnom Phen. I kissed both girls goodnight and left. Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver waiting for me at the corner. As I got in, he asked “Martini’s?” I laughed and said no. Tonight I was really tired. “Take me to my hotel,” I said.
Conclusion Rose Bar:
Ambiance 9.5 – another great little 104st bar. Pool room is a plus. The room upstairs is large and clean.
Selection of girls 8 – Many good looking girls.
Tava – a great little girl. 21 years old. Face 7.5. Body 9.5. Sex 9.5. I told her the truth when I said I really wanted to see her again, alone.
Pretty Girl – Face 8. She really was pretty. Body: I would have to break it down like this, Tits 3, everything else 6. She was a little disingenuous upfront, but she performed satisfactorily when we got down to the act itself. Bottom line, I would not do her again, but we remained on friendly terms. I would have liked going back and forth between the girls with one condom, but pretty girl said no. Another girl might have said yes. I had a great time anyway.
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Anyone know of anyother site with good maps of the city?
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Sorry , I think last link was a mis paste, the one above is correct.
Is this Tar, Nice girl!
But has a meth head english boyfriend! Darren!
Back in PP again and enjoying the Flamingo as usual. Will post some photos when i get back.
In the mean time I was walking up Street 154 toward Norodom and got propositioned by a guy asking me inside his brothel. Around 20 girls, they all looked like they were probably19 to 25. Pick your favorite and go upstairs for $10. Some of the girls would rate an 8 in looks. When I asked about yumyum he had to go in the back room and come out with a 6 or 7 who was the specialist. She said BBBJCIM was fine.
I declined as I had a meeting on the River and said I would come back later.
Last year I did have a pleasant experience in a brother where the upstairs room was pretty clean and did not provide an opportunity for a search of my clothes. Ten bucks and a happy customer. Unfortunately I can't remember where it was.
I would be interested in any comments on other experiences and locations and how many guys got ripped off and how many just had a pleasant jump. There are a lot of stories about OTHER guys getting ripped and I wonder if they are all real.
I will look for your response.
AF
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Back in PP again and enjoying the Flamingo as usual. Will post some photos when I get back.
In the mean time I was walking up Street 154 toward Norodom and got propositioned by a guy asking me inside his brothel. Around 20 girls, they all looked like they were probably19 to 25. Pick your favorite and go upstairs for $10. Some of the girls would rate an 8 in looks. When I asked about yumyum he had to go in the back room and come out with a 6 or 7 who was the specialist. She said BBBJCIM was fine.
I declined as I had a meeting on the River and said I would come back later. Last year I did have a pleasant experience in a brother where the upstairs room was pretty clean and did not provide an opportunity for a search of my clothes. Ten bucks and a happy customer. Unfortunately I can't remember where it was.
I would be interested in any comments on other experiences and locations and how many guys got ripped off and how many just had a pleasant jump. There are a lot of stories about OTHER guys getting ripped and I wonder if they are all real. I will look for your response.
AF[/QUOTE]Try by yourself and you will have the answer.
Personaly in 7 years I never get rip off in Cambodian brothels, but I have some friends that live in phnom penh, from untac period, they speak khmer and it was happened to them to be rip off in local brothels. And I can tell you they are not liars.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Night 2:
I started the day with with usual tourist stuff: breakfast at a French coffee shop on 240st, a visit to Wat Phnom, and then a friendly visit to Boeng Kak Lake (little Amsterdam). After Boeng Kak Lake, I wandered around the river front and had lunch. By 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I retired to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.
After a good dinner at Khmer Surin, I decided to return to 104st. It would have been a no brainer to go back to Zanzibar and hook up with the delightful Tar, but where is the adventure in that? So I decided to try out a different bar first and keep Zanzibar as a backup. So it was around 8:30 when I walked into Rose Bar directly opposite Zanzibar. Rose Bar is very similar to Zanzibar only slightly bigger. They have a pool room in the back and a couple of rooms on the 2nd floor. I sat down at the bar, got a beer, and looked around the place. Sitting at a table against the wall was a cute little girl with her hair combed back tight against her head. She looked good and I was about to make a move when a very pretty girl walked past me towards the pool room and broke my concentration. I drank my beer and decided to check out the pool room. As I entered the pool room, pretty girl was sitting alone at a table and 2 other attractive girls where playing pool. One of the girls asked if I wanted to play pool. I said I would prefer to just watch.
I smiled over at pretty girl, but she did not smile back! “That’s strange,” I thought, and I did not approach her. A few minutes passed by as I drank my beer and watched the girls play pool. The cute girl with the combed back hair came into the room and gave me a real friendly smile, so I asked her to sit down and have a drink. The cute girl’s name was Tava. She could not have weighed more than 87lbs. We started talking and I liked her. Occasionally, I glanced over at pretty girl who was sitting alone. I asked Tava what was up with pretty girl and Tava said “Oh, she doesn’t speak English and she is shy.” So I asked Tava to ask pretty girl if she wanted to join us and have a drink. Pretty girl’s face broke out into a big smile when Tava relayed my invitation, and pretty girl came over to my table.
So things were progressing nicely, but I could not decide on which girl to get it on with. Pretty girl was a looker (face = 8), but she spoke no English and seemed a little reserve. Tava on the other hand was very attractive and had a great personality. So Tava seemed like the way to go, but then it hit me, why not ask both girls out. Ménage ŕ trois! Tava liked the idea and pretty girl gave me another smile when she understood my invitation. But first things first: I asked Tava how much she would want for this arrangement. Tava said “whatever I thought was right,” but pretty girl insisted on $25. I told pretty girl $20 was the going rate, but she would not budge. Now this was a “tell”, a sign that something was not quite right with pretty girl. But I was sold on the ménage idea and I did not want to kill the mood by haggling over $5. In retrospect, I probably should have told pretty girl to forget it and left with Tava. But then I would not have this story to tell and the evening would have turned out completely different.
Tava said we could go to a hotel close by or go upstairs. The room upstairs was a couple dollars more and since I was already in for $50, I said let’s splurge and go upstairs. Walking up the stairs I was really looking forward to this and thought I would ravage pretty girl first and then take turns going back and forth between both girls. But in the room, the situation completely changed in an unpredictable yet enjoyable way. Tava and I started taking our clothes off right away, but pretty girl undressed very slowly. Tava and I jumped into the shower and I was amazed by her perfect little body! In her size and weight class, Tava was a 9.5 with perfect little “A” cup tittes, perfectly proportioned ass, and absolutely no body fat. I fell in love with her little body! We started the soapy shower massage thing. She soaped me up and washed my dick, balls and ass while I washed her breasts and, kissed her all over. But where the hell was pretty girl? I jumped out of the shower went into the bedroom with my erection leading the way. Pretty girl was still dawdling about. I said “come on girl, let’s get going, we’re having a good time in the shower.” Then I rejoined Tava and forgot about pretty girl. All clean and ready for love, Tava and I dried off and got on the bed. That’s when pretty girl went into the bathroom to take a shower. But I did not care. Tava and I made out pretty passionately for a while until she moved down and gave me a naked bj.
At this point, pretty girl joined us on the bed wrapped up in a towel. I sat up and started kissing pretty girl and said we don’t need this anymore, referring to the towel as I removed it. Then surprise, surprise! Pretty girl had lousy tits. I mean real saggy ones with brown nipples. Ugh! Her tits were around a 3 and that is being kind. But she was a good kisser and Tava was still blowing me, so what the hell. Soon I felt that things were going to erupt so I told Tava to put the condom on. Then I kissed Tava and rolled her over on her back and after a little preliminary kissing began to enter her pussy. Her pussy was fantastic, a perfect fit. It was tight and yet soft at the same time. I rate her pussy a 9.5.
We were only beginning to get it on when pretty girl climbed on top of me and started humping me. Pretty girl was the locomotion, I was the cream filling, and Tava was the object of my desire. When pretty girl pressed down on me, I went deep into Tava. When pretty girl let up, I moved partially out of Tava. Pretty girl set the pace. I don’t know how long this went on – 10 to 15 minutes I guess, when I decided it was now pretty girl’s turn to get some. I pulled out of Tava and told pretty girl to lie down. Pretty girl lied down, but when I started to mount her, she objected. She told Tava that in order for me to fuck her I had to change condoms. I laughed and said “you gotta be kidding. We don’t need to change condoms. You guys are sisters. One condom is fine.” But pretty girl would not give in. Now as everybody who is reading this report knows, pulling a condom off an erect penis is no laughing matter. So I told pretty girl to forget it and jumped back into Tava (which is where I wanted to be anyway). Pretty girl then got back on me and we continued our Cambodian Oreo cookie.
Eventually I exploded and rolled over on my side. Tava and I started kissing and pretty girl lay down on my other side, kissing my neck and shoulders. Tava cleaned me up and started massaging my dick. I started kissing pretty girl, but avoided her tits. And Lord above, it was not too long before I started to get hard again. Tava and I ran back into the shower to get all clean while pretty girl stayed behind. When we came out both girls dried me off and now pretty girl started to give some decent uncovered head. Soon I told her to put on a fresh condom and I started fucking pretty girl sidewinder style so that I was on a diagonal and could kiss Tava and her beautiful little breasts at the same time. In all fairness, pretty girl was not a bad lay. Once we got going, her attitude was ok and her pussy was fine. She could not help it if she had lousy tits, probably the result of nursing a kid or two. Thing was, she knew she had bad tits. That’s why she was shy about getting in the shower with us. And that’s why she wanted $25 not $20. She knew from bitter experience, that once a guy saw those hooters, tips were far and few between and repeat business nonexistent. So the $25 was like a standard charge plus an upfront tip. It was a little disingenuous on her part, but what’s a working girl supposed to do? I wasn’t too put out by it. If I hadn’t agreed to it I would have regretted not doing her. At least this way – no regrets.
After my 2nd orgasm, I layed on my back and fairly well spent. But both girls were not through with me yet. They started to massage my feet. Pretty girl started with my left foot, Tava with my right foot. Slowly, both girls worked their way up my legs till they got to my cock. Tava and I took another little shower and then she went down on me again. I was now ready for round #3. This time Tava got on top and slowly inserted my cock into her little hole. It was great! Meanwhile pretty girl lay alongside me and started kissing my nipples, neck, and ear. I don’t know how much time elapsed. I was unaware of time. But eventually I came and together all three of us lay side by side exhausted.
Like ALL my other Cambodian experiences, it was me, not the girl(s) who finally called it a night. I was definitely out of “power.” We slowly dressed and I asked just for fun how much the girls really wanted. Pretty girl repeated she wanted $25, Tava again said she whatever I thought was right. I gave both of them $25 and then as we left the room I held Tava back and gave her an extra $8. She smiled and gave me a very passionate kiss.
Downstairs I bought the girls a round of drinks. Tava leaned up close. Occasionally we kissed and she would rub my groin. Pretty girl sat opposite us and smiled. The bartendress put a Shakira concert video in the DVD player and it was charming to see all the girls in the bar stop what they were doing transfixed by the video. I asked Tava if she could dance like Shakira. She blushed and said no way. Her modesty in reaction to my question is one of the reasons why Cambodian girls are so appealing. I mean come on! This girl just blew me twice, fucked the daylights out of me twice, and participated in a three way and she is slightly embarrassed when I ask if she can shake her hips in sexually provocative way. I love Cambodian women.
It was around midnight when I decided to leave. I told Tava I really liked her and I wanted to see her again, alone. Tava said she thought that would be better, but told me she was going to see her mother or something and would not be in the bar the next night. That was fine with me, because I figured I really needed to check out 51st . I only had 2 nights left in Phnom Phen. I kissed both girls goodnight and left. Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver waiting for me at the corner. As I got in, he asked “Martini’s?” I laughed and said no. Tonight I was really tired. “Take me to my hotel,” I said.
Conclusion Rose Bar:
Ambiance 9.5 – another great little 104st bar. Pool room is a plus. The room upstairs is large and clean.
Selection of girls 8 – Many good looking girls.
Tava – a great little girl. 21 years old. Face 7.5. Body 9.5. Sex 9.5. I told her the truth when I said I really wanted to see her again, alone.
Pretty Girl – Face 8. She really was pretty. Body: I would have to break it down like this, Tits 3, everything else 6. She was a little disingenuous upfront, but she performed satisfactorily when we got down to the act itself. Bottom line, I would not do her again, but we remained on friendly terms. I would have liked going back and forth between the girls with one condom, but pretty girl said no. Another girl might have said yes. I had a great time anyway.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]This truly is a masterful report and a pleasure to read. You should take the advice of the travel channel and have your own travel show!
It is stuff like this that makes our hobbie so enjoyable and makes those of us sitting at home in the "civilized" world say "why the fuck am i here and not in ASIA!!!!"
The only thing that could make this better is some pictures of these women. I feel like i know them from your account. i would just love to see what they look like compared to your description.
finally, the thing about not wanting to switch rubbers, you are dead wrong. think about it. if you use the same rubber on both women then the second girl is like not using a rubber, right?
Hi all,
maybe this is unusull request, maybe not. I go the 3rd time to Cambodia and PP in July and I like to know if some of you guys know where I can met a girl (and yes, get a BJ or sex with) who is pregnant. Best would be with a big round belly it would be some great combination of my favorites: sexy asian girls and a pregnant one.
So for any help I am thankful. Post here or PM me.
Michael
A friend of mine has the same fetish, I'll never understand it, but thanks for helpimg to make me feel more normal. Lots of luck :-)
Shamas O'Dognasty
Butt Sniffer to the Stars
[QUOTE=Michael 1973]Hi all,
maybe this is unusull request, maybe not. I go the 3rd time to Cambodia and PP in July and I like to know if some of you guys know where I can met a girl (and yes, get a BJ or sex with) who is pregnant. Best would be with a big round belly it would be some great combination of my favorites: sexy asian girls and a pregnant one.
So for any help I am thankful. Post here or PM me.
Michael[/QUOTE]
on my first trip to pp i used dsm and he took me to adult places, i read his pm in the admins section, i'm surprised that he was so stupid to publish a pm like he did. not sure who reported him, but good job, we have to help keep this a legitimate place for good adult fun.
shamas o'dognasty
gourmet catering &
septic tank cleaning
[quote=mattrick]banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system. this pm is one of several similar pms that were forwarded to me by forum members.[/quote]
[This truly is a masterful report and a pleasure to read. You should take the advice of the travel channel and have your own travel show!
I appreciate the compliment. It was good to remember the night and get it all down on paper. I still want to file a report on nights 3 & 4 in Phnom Penh as well as a pretty good night in Siem Reap at Sak San.
It is stuff like this that makes our hobby so enjoyable and makes those of us sitting at home in the "civilized" world say "why the fuck am I here and not in ASIA! " Well I have been back in the "civilized" world for a month and all I can think about is going back. "LIVING IN THE USA – Somebody give me a cheeseburger. "
The only thing that could make this better is some pictures of these women. I feel like I know them from your account. I would just love to see what they look like compared to your description.
Yeah, the one thing I regret is I did not take any pictures of the ladies. In the past I brought along a little digital camera which was good for these kinds of things. On this trip I had the Nikon SLR and thought it might intimidate the girls.
I know what you mean about comparing the description in your mind with the recorded image. Sometimes it can be a rude shock. Like "oh hell what was I thinking. " And since you want to avoid that you got to start thinking about exposures and lighting. Sometimes I’m into it and other times I’m not.
Finally, the thing about not wanting to switch rubbers, you are dead wrong. Think about it. If you use the same rubber on both women then the second girl is like not using a rubber, right?
Technically and morally you are right, but since both girls work in the same bar under the same management they would know who takes risks and who does not. When pretty girl objected to the same rubber I did not push it. I try to be reasonable. But then what about bareback blow jobs. That is risky yet many many girls do it without even asking. The first time it happened to me at Angel massage in BKK I was real surprised and thought I should stop it. But that thought lasted for about 5 seconds.
[QUOTE=Gohan39]Hello PT2,
I hope this from my collection is the info you seek.
I copied this from the DV8 website nightlife link 6 months ago or so but don't
see it there now.
So please excuse my posting this long post instead of a convenient link.
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High End Escort Services (These places run out of girls by 12:00 midnight,
except Casa which is open until 3:00 a.m. and Holiday International Manhattan Club)
Casa Hotel Night Club and Restaurant No. 5 France Street 47 Near What Phnom Girls
arrive at 8:00 pm, all independent escorts with one mamamasan
Vietnamese $67 a night ($50 if you rent a karoke room)
Chinese $150 a night
Cambodians $67 a night (no negotiation on the prices)
Karoke room is $8 all night, girl is $7 plus tip of at least $10.
What you do is between each other, no sex in the room.
You can take her home for $50.
Club 99 No. 10 Street 252 Girls arrive at 8:00 p.m. Cambodians girls Vietnamese girls One mamason $70 a night (negotiated down to $60 a night)
Holiday International Manhattan Club Street 84, off Monivong Girls do not arrive until late at 1:00 a.m. Vietnamese, Chinese and Cambodian dance on the disco floor.
Tell the waiter you want to speak to the mamasan. Tell her who you want. $50 a night (I did not negotiate).
XO Club, No. 85 A, Street 163 By far the best looking girls, Vietnamese and Cambodian.
This is NOT an escort service. The rooms are $8 an up a night. The girls are free but expect a tip.
You sing karoke and hug them. They make money off the food and drinks. The girls drink what you buy them.
Many married women work here to make ends meet. The girls and beer girls will go home with you if they like you.
There is no pressure to go home with you. If you want a girl right away, ask to see the mamasan. Girls are $70 to
$100 a night. See also the Yellow Pages under nightclubs and karoke. "Karoke" is a code word for escort service and places like XO.
[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I got this from reports of distinction. Is this info from 2-25-07 still valid for the high end in PP? Or are all these places long gone. Any higher end not on this list? (and no I won't screw up the prices. Just partake in higher end 1 night)
Friends,
Planning to stay for a couple of nights in PP, which is preferred, Flamingo(current reports are bad)or Cozyna?. Cozyna doesnt have a direct reservation system?
Funnyfello
[QUOTE=Cam Bodia] The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.[/QUOTE]Hi,
What do you mean about concierge girls? Are they the girls that the concierge can send to you or directly the girls of the concierge. Sorry but I'm worried to do something wrong.
I stayed at Cozyna twice last year.
It was OK. Good location. A/C works, shower OK and staff are helpfull (what more does a man need?)
No breakfast at hotel but plenty of places within 20 yards of hotel.
In my oppinion good value for money (but, as allways, YMMV!)
Re booking, I emailed them then spoke by phone. No problem. My room was ready when I arived (mid morning.)
Enjoy,
Hotman.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]I stayed at Cozyna twice last year.
It was OK. Good location. A/C works, shower OK and staff are helpfull (what more does a man need?)
No breakfast at hotel but plenty of places within 20 yards of hotel.
In my oppinion good value for money (but, as allways, YMMV!)
Re booking, I emailed them then spoke by phone. No problem. My room was ready when I arived (mid morning.)
Enjoy,
Hotman.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I've not been to PP yet so please forgive my newbie questions. Is this hotel girl friendly and how close is it to the 'action'?
I've booked a trip for November (so far away.. sigh) and want to start thinking about where to stay and an itinerary for my time in the country.
[QUOTE=Channy]Try by yourself and you will have the answer.
Personaly in 7 years I never get rip off in Cambodian brothels, but I have some friends that live in phnom penh, from untac period, they speak khmer and it was happened to them to be rip off in local brothels. And I can tell you they are not liars.[/QUOTE]
Well, to answer my own question I did some shopping. Same guy at the door and he takes me inside and I ask him where the Yumyum girl is. He points out a 6 or 7 and I say OK.
Then I ask him what happened to the little spinner I saw a couple of days ago. He says the little short one, and I say yes. He goes into the back room and comes out with the little spinner I had seen before. She does not look happy about being returned to the action.
Was she on a break, finished for the day? Who knows but I want to try her anyway, one to s__K and one to f__k.
The door man's English is not much better than my Khmer so getting the idea of two girls at one time is a little difficult but he finally figures out what I want and says OK. Two girls for $20. Pay in advance.
I give him the $20 and the three of us go upstairs. There is some confusion about which room to go into. We start into one and a local is going in there with a girl. We go into a different room and I notice this one has the coat hooks on the wall next to the door. As I take off my clothes and hang them up the little spinner moves my clothes toward the door and hangs hers up where mine was.
Convenient or troubling? Who cares as I had $22 bucks in my pocket when I got here and I gave him $20 of that. Of course, there is no wallet or credit cards in my pocket.
We climb onto the bed and the problems start. They want to give me a massage and insist that I lay on my belly. The short one climbs onto my back and start to massage my shoulders. Obviously in this position I can't see the door. So I roll over and she is now sitting on my chest and I tell Yumyum to get to work.
She is giving me a hand job and doesn't want to shift gears. I tell LittleOne to kneel up so I can play with her pussy. She does not want to let me up and keeps sitting on my chest. We get into a wrestling match and I finally flip her on her ass as Yumyum is not doing anything for me and Little one is pissing me off.
So I tell them to get to work as I know that these places are time limited and somebody is going to be banging on the door pretty soon. We get into an argument about what is going to happen next and I finally tell them to fu__k off and I start putting my clothes on. This does not seem to bother them at all.
We get downstairs and I tell the door man what a pair of bitches he has got how poorly I was treated and that if I don't get my money back I will never come back and I will send diseased monkeys to play with his children. From the look on his face when I start, I realize that my happiness is not high on his list of things to worry about right now.
As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks. I guess I will never know if the poor performance was due to the shortage of money they snatched or if they knew I would not be back once I realized they got into my pockets.
AF
[QUOTE=Nandu]Friends,
Planning to stay for a couple of nights in PP, which is preferred, Flamingo(current reports are bad)or Cozyna?. Cozyna doesnt have a direct reservation system?
Funnyfello[/QUOTE]
I read the negative report and if that had happen to me I would have been pissed. When I make a reservation I spell out that I want the $25 room and when I check in I verify the price.
The staff is always cheerful and pleasant and when the Wifi in the room shuts down, a phone call to the desk gets an immediate reply and it usually is fixed in a few minutes. Sometimes the whole Internet, which is available in the lobby if you don't have a notebook, is down and we all wait for it to come up.
The breakfast is certainly not up to the standards of the Nana buffet in BK but it is convenient and for me the fruit plate is fine to start the day.
It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. Heart of Darkness and Howies Bar are 100 meters down Street 51 St.
When the girl leaves I always get a call from the front desk asking me if it is ok for her to leave. They are protective without being intrusive.
The rooms are not large but have a big window and the bed is not too bad. The bathroom is small but not a problem.
I have never stayed at Cozyna so i can't compare. You will enjoy PP wherever you stay.
AF
Night 3:
Day # 3 began with breakfast at the French coffee shop on 241st. Café latte and mango pancakes. Then I walked over to Sentosa Silk to be measured for a silk shirt. I wandered around the riverfront; bought some DVD’s and made a repeat visit to Lake Baille. I continued my walking tour and had lunch at a nice riverside cafe. Again, by 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I returned to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.
After another good dinner at Khmer Borane, I decided tonight was the night to check out 51st. I did not know how far I would get but I was looking forward to this adventure. Around 9pm I walked into Shanghai bar. Shanghai Bar is definitely an upscale watering hole and the place was rocking. I was met at the door by a very attractive hostess girl wearing a black dress. She escorted me to an empty table and asked if I wanted company. Normally I would have declined in order to check the place out, but this girl was very pretty and had a great smile, so I said yes. She sat down and I ordered drinks. It wasn’t long before another very pretty girl came by and I offered her a drink as well. So this looked like a promising start to the evening. Then as we started to get acquainted one of the girls suggested we adjourn to the patio where we could talk better. Although there were plenty of customers in the patio as well, we found an empty table and continued our conversation in delightful surroundings. Now I don’t know what happened or more accurately why it happened. I guess I was just tired or not quite in gear after all the great sex I had had the three previous nights, but when I eventually asked one of the girls if she wanted to go somewhere with me, she said yes, she wanted to go dancing. I said “Dancing? No I was not into that.” And for some reason I did not follow up the dancing suggestion with a better alternative. I just let it lie there. So we continued to talk. The girls were attractive, charming and definitely worth taking out. But I let it go. After I finished my beer, I smiled and told the girls I was retiring to my hotel and hoped I would see them another night. They smiled and said that would be fine. So we parted as friends.
Outside Shanghai Bar my faithful tuk tuk driver was waiting for me. I told him to take me to Les Cyrcee Club. Cyrcee is right around the corner more or less, but it is all by itself on this particular block. It was peaceful and quiet, but I would not recommend walking there at night. It must have been around a quarter to ten when I walked into Cyrcee Club. The layout is similar to the 104st. bars in that it is narrow and deep yet cozy. There were about 20 girls at the bar and 2 or 3 customers. I ordered a beer and sat down at a table against the wall. Now I have to be honest in my reporting. As I looked around the bar I did not see ANY girls above a 5. I drank my beer and thought it’s OK, after this I will go over to Heat of Darkness and see what that is all about. And then I saw her, a diamond in the ruff, a real gem: little Am. I would rate her as an all around 7.5. I asked her to join me and I bought her a drink. We began the usual talk talk and I noticed she had a nice personality. As we talked I saw that there was a balcony/second story in the back of the bar. I asked Am if we could go up there in order to be alone. She said sure so we gathered up our drinks and went upstairs. On the balcony you could stand near the railing, look down on the bar, and anybody in the bar could look up and see you. But if you sat in the chairs towards the back there was total privacy. So we sat down and began a passionate make out session. It was like a high school date at a drive-in movie. I told Am I wasn’t sure if I had enough “power” to go all the way but she did not seem to mind. I felt her up, but she was wearing one of those armor plated bras Cambodian girls wear that shows cleavage but does not tell you anything about the quality of the tits. I reached underneath her dress and gently rubbed her bush. I could have gone all the way with her on the balcony, but it wasn’t all that comfortable on those flimsy chairs. Hey management put a couch up there. Anyway after about 15 minutes of this preliminary fooling around, she started rubbing my cock and said “You have Power.” And she was right. So I asked where we could go to make love. She said right around the corner. I asked how much. She said $20. Rock on!
So we left the bar. My tuk tuk guy was waiting right outside, but the girl said a ride was not necessary; we could walk to the hotel. I told my guy to wait for me and off we went. Now, I am not going to bore anyone with further detailed descriptions of what took place in the hotel room. The room was clean. The sex was a pretty standard for me in Cambodia, which means it was great! We had the soapy shower massage to start things off, followed with a nice bareback blowjob and then great sex in multiple positions. And after we rested and cuddled we did it all over again. I guess I was a little tired, because after our 2nd joust I really was out of “power.” We layed there in each other’s arms quite a while and then I suggested we get dressed, go back to the bar and get another drink. I gave Am an $8 tip and we walked back to the bar arm in arm. The situation at the bar was pretty much the way we left it with 2 or 3 customers and around 20 to 25 rather average to below average looking girls. About 30 minutes later, I said goodbye to Am and told her I really wanted to see her again, but that I was leaving in one day for BKK. She gave me her phone number and told me to call her. We kissed and said good night.
Outside my tuk tuk driver wanted to know where I wanted to go next. It was a around 1am and I was too tired to check out anymore bars, but I told him to go very slowly down 51st all the way to Preah Sihanouk Blvd. before heading to my hotel so I could see HOD and the other bars. It was nice night with a faint breeze as we past HOD at 5 kilometers per hour. I could not see much from the road except the place was packed and looked very inviting. I thought that maybe tomorrow night, my last night in town I would finally make it to the fabled Hear of Darkness.
Conclusion Shanghai Bar: Highly recommended.
Ambiance - 9.5. This is a great well managed upscale bar. Great ambiance, pretty girls, lots of stuff going on. What more do you want? The patio is best.
Selection of girls - 8.9. A very good selection of attractive and friendly girls. I don’t know why I didn’t hook up with either of my two little Shanghai hostess girls. Another night it would have been a done deed.
Conclusion Cyrcee Club: Thumbs up.
Ambiance – 8. This is a cozy, friendly, little bar. Very similar to the 104st. bars, but a little isolated all by itself a couple of blocks from most of the action on Pasteur St. The balcony/mezzanine is a great feature. I was able to test drive Am and knew she was a great girl before I even left the place. Am got me back in gear and restored my “power”
Selection of girls – mixed. The majority of girls were not that attractive. They rate about a 5 IMHO. Now I don’t know if all the good girls were already taken out when I arrived or what, but in all truth, I was not that impressed with the quality of talent.
Am – a real winner. She was very pretty; I would rate her face 7.5. She was short (all Cambodian girls are short) and had an hourglass figure with nice “b” cup breasts, and round hips. I would rate her body 7.5. She was great in and out of bed, had a great personality and I would rate her overall performance 9.
You know I think I these wonderful Cambodian girls are spoiling me. One last day in Phnom Penh and I do not want to leave. Oh the horror of going back to Bangkok for 8 days of GoGo’s, massage parlors, and Thai cuisine. I don’t know if I can stand it!
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Hey nice report. But concerning the Shanghai Bar. Takeout for sex is not always very easy. A lot of the girls are willing to be barfined for dancing only. As others have reported in the past and through my own experience it seems that a lot of those girls won't go out for boom boom.
Southbound69
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]So we parted as friends.[/QUOTE]Yes, there's entirely too much of that at the Shanghai these days.
Cyrcee and Shanghai are at pretty much opposite ends of the PP spectrum. Cyrcee is really just a brothel, though they can no longer use their on-site rooms. Shanghai is mainly a tease. It can be fun and the girls can be charming, but if you're looking for a girl to take home it's generally a waste of time and money.
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]I read the negative report and if that had happen to me I would have been pissed. When I make a reservation I spell out that I want the $25 room and when I check in I verify the price.
The staff is always cheerful and pleasant and when the Wifi in the room shuts down, a phone call to the desk gets an immediate reply and it usually is fixed in a few minutes. Sometimes the whole Internet, which is available in the lobby if you don't have a notebook, is down and we all wait for it to come up.
The breakfast is certainly not up to the standards of the Nana buffet in BK but it is convenient and for me the fruit plate is fine to start the day.
It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. Heart of Darkness and Howies Bar are 100 meters down Street 51 St.
When the girl leaves I always get a call from the front desk asking me if it is ok for her to leave. They are protective without being intrusive.
The rooms are not large but have a big window and the bed is not too bad. The bathroom is small but not a problem.
I have never stayed at Cozyna so i can't compare. You will enjoy PP wherever you stay.
AF[/QUOTE]
I fully agree with AF. I stayed at Flamingo's last week during the Khmer New Year. Booked a $30 double and paid accordingly. Got a free pick up from the airport, Paid $7 for the return trip.
Each time i took a babe to my rooom had no problems at all- just got smiles. And after the event when she left, got a call from reception asking if everything was in order.
Found things quiet at Heart of Darkness. Cyrcee seemed to be closed at 8 pm evening!!. Found it was easiest to pick up from Walkabout round the corner. Any time- day or night. Picked up Ina and Honey from there. Went by smiles rather than sour faced babes. Paid $15 for ST and $25 for LT.
Would describe the action as just normal. No great shakes.
Tuk Tuk fellow took me to a brothel. Had a look- Babes seemed to be a 6-8 but when i asked for hotel delivery was told not possible. Cost offered was $15 short term inclusive of room upstairs. Deferred as i didnt want to take the chance of getting into trouble. Felt far more safe in the confines of the Flamingo room.
By the way was intially puzzled by all menu's , rates etc everywhere being quoted in dollars and wondering about the change requirement. Found out that change is given back in dollars except for amounts below 1 dollar which was given as 1000 reils per 25 cents. Did not have any change problem at all .
Like advised earlier in the forum do not use bigger than a $20 bill.
IMHO Cambodia is worth it as a mongering destination only if one is spending more than a week for this purpose.
I want to thank Betong and Southbound69 for their feedback on my report. It really clears things up for me. It is free exchange of information that makes this forum so valuable and why I became a member. There is no better source anywhere.
Southbound69 says “it seems that a lot of those girls won't go out for boom boom.” Apparently so, but what about when they are not working at the bar? Let’s say I was living in PP. And let’s say I casually dropped by the bar once a week to have a beer and chat with 2 or 3 of the girls. I would be on a first name basis with these girls. They would know I live and work in PP. So how long do you think it would take before I could arrange a date and get one of the girls to come to my apartment on her day off? Not too long. So in effect Shanghai Bar is like a club. Visitors like me are welcome and can order drinks, talk to the girls, but are not entitled to member privileges – No take out BOOM BOOM. To be a member you must live in PP.
Shanghai might be worth it long term if you like drinking there. Personally I didn't. Ok for the air-con if you need to pop in somewhere cool. I found some of the girls pretty but very false and I couldn't be bothered with a long term investment in the hope of meeting them outside. Heart of Darkness is more my cup of tea. Cyrcee cannot admit to having rooms on the premises for 'legal' reasons but on the second and third visits I was told a different story and the non-existent rooms were suddenly available.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Shanghai might be worth it long term if you like drinking there. Personally I didn't. Ok for the air-con if you need to pop in somewhere cool. I found some of the girls pretty but very false and I couldn't be bothered with a long term investment in the hope of meeting them outside. Heart of Darkness is more my cup of tea. Cyrcee cannot admit to having rooms on the premises for 'legal' reasons but on the second and third visits I was told a different story and the non-existent rooms were suddenly available.[/QUOTE]I agree. Shanghai is not on the top of my list either, but somebody is doing these girls. I had great times at HOD, Zanzibar, Rose Bar and Cyrcee. And when I return to Phnom Penh that's where I will go first.
I have been back home for around 45 days and I am already thinking of my next trip. Next time I think I will spend 14 days in PP not including a 4 day holiday at Sihanoukville beach. I can't wait!
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]So in effect Shanghai Bar is like a club. Visitors like me are welcome and can order drinks, talk to the girls, but are not entitled to member privileges – No take out BOOM BOOM. To be a member you must live in PP.[/QUOTE]Pretty true. The big thing in PP these days is to fill your bar with cute new young girls who speak little or no English and aren't expected to go with customers. Check out almost any hostess bar along 104 or 136. If you live here, learn a few hundred words of Khmer, and spend enough time and money, you can begin to score them on a kind of girlfriend basis. But otherwise, no way. To me it's part of what makes PP about an A- as a mongering city if you're a resident or long-term visitor, but no better than about C+ if you're just passing through.
Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.
I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.
I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.
I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Well, to answer my own question I did some shopping. Same guy at the door and he takes me inside and I ask him where the Yumyum girl is. He points out a 6 or 7 and I say OK.
Then I ask him what happened to the little spinner I saw a couple of days ago. He says the little short one, and I say yes. He goes into the back room and comes out with the little spinner I had seen before. She does not look happy about being returned to the action.
Was she on a break, finished for the day? Who knows but I want to try her anyway, one to s__K and one to f__k.
The door man's English is not much better than my Khmer so getting the idea of two girls at one time is a little difficult but he finally figures out what I want and says OK. Two girls for $20. Pay in advance.
I give him the $20 and the three of us go upstairs. There is some confusion about which room to go into. We start into one and a local is going in there with a girl. We go into a different room and I notice this one has the coat hooks on the wall next to the door. As I take off my clothes and hang them up the little spinner moves my clothes toward the door and hangs hers up where mine was.
Convenient or troubling? Who cares as I had $22 bucks in my pocket when I got here and I gave him $20 of that. Of course, there is no wallet or credit cards in my pocket.
We climb onto the bed and the problems start. They want to give me a massage and insist that I lay on my belly. The short one climbs onto my back and start to massage my shoulders. Obviously in this position I can't see the door. So I roll over and she is now sitting on my chest and I tell Yumyum to get to work.
She is giving me a hand job and doesn't want to shift gears. I tell LittleOne to kneel up so I can play with her pussy. She does not want to let me up and keeps sitting on my chest. We get into a wrestling match and I finally flip her on her ass as Yumyum is not doing anything for me and Little one is pissing me off.
So I tell them to get to work as I know that these places are time limited and somebody is going to be banging on the door pretty soon. We get into an argument about what is going to happen next and I finally tell them to fu__k off and I start putting my clothes on. This does not seem to bother them at all.
We get downstairs and I tell the door man what a pair of bitches he has got how poorly I was treated and that if I don't get my money back I will never come back and I will send diseased monkeys to play with his children. From the look on his face when I start, I realize that my happiness is not high on his list of things to worry about right now.
As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks. I guess I will never know if the poor performance was due to the shortage of money they snatched or if they knew I would not be back once I realized they got into my pockets.
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[QUOTE=Fornic8]Same shit happened to me last year. [/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I was at a place over on 63rd a couple yrs back when something like this happened. In my case, I happened to turn over and look at the door exactly at the moment that someone's hand was reaching in thru the door and grabbing my pants off the hook. I yelled out Hey, WTF! and the hand disappeared and the door slammed shut. I ran outside -- checked my pants -- he didn't get my money yet. Of course after that I was hardly in the mood to do what I came for.
Anyway, it's to be expected in those places. They seem to have a policy in place now of not servicing foreigners -- unless by 'service' you mean a theft from their pants and a refusal by the girls to do what they're paid for. If that's what you mean by 'service', then they're very service-oriented. Excellent service.
Not the kind of excitement I'm usually looking for. Probly better to just avoid these types of places unless you can somehow vouch for their quality via someone trustworthy. Never trust your motorbike driver, by the way. He was the one who took me there.
Funny, but if you think about the economics, apparently somewhere along the way it became more profitable in the long run to take care of foreign customers in this way than to actually provide the product as advertised. Some years back, these places actually did come thru and offer what they said they did. And at some point it changed. Not sure why, aside from the obvious -- that it's more profitable to take all their money than just the $5-10 they're willing to pay. And I guess not enough of the foreigners were repeat customers, so good service became pointless.
Even when they did deliver their services, it wasn't what I'd ever call "good". Even back then it was unpleasant.
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks. [/QUOTE]
A few years ago I went there with exactly 5 USD in my pocket.
Having done the deed they even had stolen my cigs and lighter worth less than a dollar. Never been there again even service was average.
Cheers!
Hi Aussie Fella,
Yes, Cozyna IS guest Friendly!
How far from the action? Well, in PP the action is spread out. Get a copy of one of the free guides when you arrive. They have maps and bar / clubs locations marked.
For me the riverside location of Cozyna was good with loads of places to eat and drink nearby BUT in the evenings it is ALLWAYS better for a Newbee (for safety reasons) to grab a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk rather than walk in unfamiliar dark streets.
Bars can vary from night to night and week to week but last year I enjoyed Street 104 bars (See my PP report of 22nd October 2008.)
It is possible, and pretty safe, to walk along the riverside to street 104 from Cozena in 10 mins or so but my recommendation would be ALLWAYS to take a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk late night / early morning when returning to your hotel! It only costs US$1.00 or so.
Hope this info helps and enjoy your trip.
Hotman
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Some posts back, hotel scam was discussed. I thought I would add my experience to a list of “how to avoid being conned by hotel”.
I took a bike taxi from the airport. I was on the way to HCMC. The bike guy took me to a hotel near the central market. It was ok, so I decided to take it.
The guy at the hotel asked me to pay first (30USD for 2 nights) . This may be because I didn’t want to leave my passport with them while I was staying there. So I paid and got the receipt.
2 days later when I was checking out, this same guy asked me to pay 30 USD. “Wot? Again?” I said I had paid already when I checked in. He now looked in his book and “pretends” if he has such payment record in the book. Of course he could not find it. He does this with a straigh face. I said I have the receipt. After a bit of time, fortunately I found it and showed it to him. He “pretends” to look at it very carefully and tries to match with a record in the book. “Of course” he cannot find it. But eventually he gave way.
In summary:
1. If you pay in advance, insist on a receit. Don’t shuffle it into your back pocket, but take your time and look at what was written; date, amount, number of nights, and ask for a signature and/or hotel’s stamp. And KEEP IT.
2. Keep calm and be firm.
3. (Optional) Do not take off your eye off the receipt you just handed him. (Am I too paranoid?)
[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]The bike guy took me to a hotel near the central market.[/QUOTE]Do you have any more information about the hotel, such as a name or address? "Near the central market" is a pretty broad description.
[QUOTE=El Culion]Do you have any more information about the hotel, such as a name or address? "Near the central market" is a pretty broad description.[/QUOTE]
Yes, ok. But it was meant as a general warning about hotel payment.
Anyway, I found the card of this hotel;
Morakat Hotel
No 33 St. 107 Sangkat Monorom, Khan 7 Makara, Phnom Penh
My room was spacious but a bit dump. It was ok for a couple nights
In terms of location, it was convenient as the bus terminal was nearby, many travel agnecies, and there are some haircut palces whose service may not be restricted to just cutting hair becaue there were women standing waving at passersby. I didnt go in though.
I think this hotel is GF becasue I asked a guy working in the hotel if he could get me a girl. He said he would, but he didn't. Instead I got a bike guy to take me to a Vietnamese place, which wasnt fun.
[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]Yes, ok. But it was meant as a general warning about hotel payment.
Anyway, I found the card of this hotel;
Morakat Hotel
No 33 St. 107 Sangkat Monorom, Khan 7 Makara, Phnom Penh
My room was spacious but a bit dump. It was ok for a couple nights
In terms of location, it was convenient as the bus terminal was nearby, many travel agnecies, and there are some haircut palces whose service may not be restricted to just cutting hair becaue there were women standing waving at passersby. I didnt go in though.
I think this hotel is GF becasue I asked a guy working in the hotel if he could get me a girl. He said he would, but he didn't. Instead I got a bike guy to take me to a Vietnamese place, which wasnt fun.[/QUOTE]Hey! I stayed there on my first visit to PP! I’d told the airport taxi driver to take me to the Paris Hotel but instead he took me to Morakot. He begged me to have a look at the rooms, and I was foolish enough to let myself be pursuaded to set up camp there. No doubt they pay the drivers a good commission to lure tourists to them. The aircon was very crappy. I had a room facing the street and with the morning sun it turned into a real hothouse.
As regards location, you can get much better deals near Pasteur (Str. 51) and Str. 136, which is even closer to the bus terminal.
The hotel [b]IS[/b] girl friendly. No doubt about that. And they did offer me massage. When I asked them how much the girls charged for boom-boom, they told that this was between me and the girl. The massage girls (dressed in yellow) that I saw going up one night while I was sitting in the lobby were very goodlooking.
However, I must admit they never tried any scams on me. Maybe because that time it was mostly the owner and her son who worked behind the front desk.
Your mentioning of Morakot brings back memories of a cute and sexy waitress that I met on the first night in Sharky. After work we used to meet at Heart or Walkabout and go to Morakot from there. She was a real nympho. I’ve never met a girl with such an enormous sex drive. She would even wake me up at night for more, and expect an another round in the morning before she left. Good in the beginning, but after a few days it gets tiring.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Hi Aussie Fella,
Yes, Cozyna IS guest Friendly!
How far from the action? Well, in PP the action is spread out. Get a copy of one of the free guides when you arrive. They have maps and bar / clubs locations marked.
For me the riverside location of Cozyna was good with loads of places to eat and drink nearby BUT in the evenings it is ALLWAYS better for a Newbee (for safety reasons) to grab a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk rather than walk in unfamiliar dark streets.
Bars can vary from night to night and week to week but last year I enjoyed Street 104 bars (See my PP report of 22nd October 2008.)
It is possible, and pretty safe, to walk along the riverside to street 104 from Cozena in 10 mins or so but my recommendation would be ALLWAYS to take a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk late night / early morning when returning to your hotel! It only costs US$1.00 or so.
Hope this info helps and enjoy your trip.
Hotman
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Thanks again!
[QUOTE=El Culion]Hey! I stayed there on my first visit to PP!
... No doubt they pay the drivers a good commission to lure tourists to them. it turned into a real hothouse.
[/QUOTE]
Ah, what a coincidence.
I am now planning to visit PP for the upcoming long weekend. So I was doing RTFF on Cambo thread, and came across the hotel scam posts and thought I would add some comment from my last visit to PP in Feb 2008.
For this visit, I will stay only 2 nights. This is enough. There aren't many things to see in PP, and have done the touristy things already. So this visit will be solely mongering excursion.
I am still doing RTFF, but if anyone has any suggestion where I could meet a girl who would provide an illusion of GFE, it would be great.
[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]I am still doing RTFF, but if anyone has any suggestion where I could meet a girl who would provide an illusion of GFE, it would be great.[/QUOTE]There's no such thing as a place that provides girls who'll give you GFE, but in my experience your best bet is with the freelancers you can meet at venues such as Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, or Martini. If you take your time and talk to them for a while you'll find out pretty soon if there's a "click." They've never disappointed me but YMMV.
I've also had a very good time in PP with a "beer girl" (girls that promote beer in restaurants), so if you see them somewhere you may try and chat them up. The problem is most of them don't speak any English.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Fornic8]Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.
I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.
I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.
I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.[/QUOTE]It s not reasobale to go in brothel with 100 dollars. Just go with 10 dollars no more. Also why leaving your wallet on the door? Just take it with you and hide under the shit bed. If the girls bothered you for not doing it leave the place. ; that s smell fishy.
The old time of Tommy, lay lay. Has gone. Keep it in mind. Now brothels are jungle it s not an organized business like before.
[QUOTE=El Culion]There's no such thing as a place that provides girls who'll give you GFE, but in my experience your best bet is with the freelancers you can meet at venues such as Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, or Martini. [/QUOTE]
You can also try your luck just simply on the river front but of course it takes more time.
Back in Phnom Penh - visited Le Cyrcee after not having been there 3 or 4 years. Location on 49th St between Streets 130 and 136. This is about one block west of Norodom Blvd.
Is it my poor memory, or did it move to a new location? I thought I had been there, but maybe I was confusing it with something else... at any rate, it didn't look at al as I remembered.
Now to more important stuff. Walked in around 7:30 and was greeted by a pack of hungry hot girls. Must have been 15 of them waiting at the door for the next guy to enter. A few guys in the bar - at most 3. Some of the girls looked like they were 15 at most, but looks may be deceiving. Needless to say, I stayed far away from the ones who looked too young.
But it didn't matter. Two very nice looking girls chose me and led me over to the bar. I did not object. Selecting from the pack would not have given me any better - that was immediately evident. I liked their smiles, and as they sat me down at the bar, I was immediately treated to very nice searching hands showing me a little of what was to come (reminded me a little of Sophie's, alas). After one beer, we got down to negotiating, and the asking price was entirely reasonable - $40 was offered, and they took $35 for both, including bar fine... an additional $6 for room ($1 for extra condom) around the corner.
I can't remember the names, but that would be irrelevant, as there were so many cute ones to choose from. We had a very good romp for an hour.. including yum yum from both, boom boom from both and back to yum yum for cof finish. Nice. Next time I am in Phnom Penh, I will return.
By the way, I might mention that as I walked along Sisowath Quay late at night (around midnight) one night, I was approached by two street walkers about a lock apart from each other. Yum Yum as on offer, but I declined. I am pretty good at detecting transsexuals (yeah, don't we all think that?) and both looked borderline - not sure whether they were, though. I mention this, because I do not remember reading reports about transsexuals in Phnom Penh. Maybe I am just not reading far enough?
Enjoy.
a few miscellaneous comments:
shanghai girls are mostly there looking for boyfriends. you don't have to live in pp to qualify, but you do have to convince them you are serious. a few will agree to p4p if you ask discretely where none of the other girls can hear, especially if it is an after-work meeting or involves a legitimate "date" first.
the girls in the hostess bars who don't go with customers fall into 3 classes, with some overlap, especially between the first 2 groups:
1) **** girls who are usually not allowed (by the bar) to barfine
2) virgins (supposedly) who are looking for a husband and/or an asian guy who will pay $1000+ for her cherry
3) girls who are new to the scene, often from a garment factory that has recently closed, and either too scared or not yet willing to accept being a hooker. these usually either quit after a month or two, or eventually come around. they are the only one of the three you have any realistic chance with. one who flat refused to go with me from bar 69 a few months ago saw me in another bar last night and immediately said she goes with customers now. it was one of the best nights i have had here.
brothels: (the standard ones like you see on streets 154 and 63, not higher end fishbowls): no matter what price they ask/demand/state, the real price is $5 for st for a westerner, although some of the old timers i know here still pay $3. assume someone is going to try to steal from you. this has been repeated numerous times on this board, but i see people still reporting it. don't walk in with more than $7, and don't let your pants or valuables out of your sight. i roll mine up and us them as a pillow, and even take them into the shower with me. if the girl is not available for take-out, she is most likely either **** or working there against her will. i don't believe the latter happens nearly as often as certain ngos like to make people think it does, but it does happen. this is the main reason i have stopped going to these places.
the going rate at le cyrcee for st is $15, but the girls will naturally start the bargaining at $20 or $25. i have walked there from the riverside and walkabout late at night many times and never had a problem, but that does not mean it is totally safe.
don't judge any town by what it is like during a major holiday. pp was deader than hell during khmer new year, so disregard most reports from trips during that period.
there several ladyboy street walkers at night in the area around wat phnom and the post office (the building st. 104 dead ends into), as well as drug addicts and girls who are too sick to work in a bar. i have never seen anyone there i would go with.
gfe for me has come just as often from a hostess bar girl as a freelancer--but i rarely barfine girls, so that may skew my results a lot. if i go with a hostess, she has either really impressed me, or i have run into her somewhere when she is not working, which technically makes her a fl, i guess.
business is way down. nobody from a hostess bar girl or freelancer has given me even the slightest argument in recent weeks when i have given them $10 for st or $20 for lt, except one complete ***** from heart who was actually way below my standards looks-wise, (when we met it was closing time and i was quite drunk). so far this week i have been with two absolute stunners, and both have happily taken $20 for all night. fwiw, i don't care for the mercenary attitudes of most viet girls here, so i go almost exclusively with cambodians. this may or may not make a difference price-wise (unfortunately, it definitely does make a difference when it comes to getting bjs.
beaver bar is now cheerleaders and under new ownership (andy and danny, previously owners of sizzlers), and while the new uniforms are quite sexy, the lights around the couches are now much brighter and the mileage available there is much lower.
secret bar was kicked out of their riverside location with very little notice, and are now in a much larger spot right next to wat phnom, near the 24 hour convenience store. i have not been in yet, so i don't know if the quality of the girls is still as good as it used to be.
i'm told the owner of mikado is finally out of jail, and that it has reopened. i got so used to it being closed that i keep forgetting to verify this, even though i am frequently in the area. hell, come to thing of it i rode right by it today and did not even look over.
the place that was sophies is now occupied and i see no evidence and have heard no rumors that it is a p4p place, so i think we can assume it is gone for good.
mermaids on st. 108 is under new ownership but still seems to have no attractive women--but it does have at least one ladyboy.
beer prices seem to be creeping up. more and more places are charging $2. this time last year, people were bitching about the places that charged $1.75.
[quote=hippie]a few miscellaneous comments:
brothels: (the standard ones like you see on streets 154 and 63, not higher end fishbowls): no matter what price they ask/demand/state, the real price is $5 for st for a westerner, although some of the old timers i know here still pay $3. assume someone is going to try to steal from you. this has been repeated numerous times on this board, but i see people still reporting it. don't walk in with more than $7, and don't let your pants or valuables out of your sight. i roll mine up and us them as a pillow, and even take them into the shower with me. if the girl is not available for take-out, she is most likely either **** or working there against her will. i don't believe the latter happens nearly as often as certain ngos like to make people think it does, but it does happen. this is the main reason i have stopped going to these places. [/quote]these "standard" places do not sound very appealing (sleazy). i would not go either. but what about higher end brothels and clubs? i'm just curious and looking to diversify my night time recreational activities on my next trip.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]These "standard" places do not sound very appealing (sleazy). I would not go either. But what about higher end brothels and clubs? I'm just curious and looking to diversify my night time recreational activities on my next trip.[/QUOTE]
They're really miserable places, in my experience. Even back in their supposed glory days they weren't worth the visit. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the ripoff attempts -- and they always attempt to grab your pants in the room, and they always fight very hard to get you to pay up front before the deed -- and if you pay that upfront, you should expect that some way or another the deed is going to be extremely lame if it happens at all -- even if you manage to navigate your way through all of this, it's rare to get an experience in the room that would compare favorably to what you'd get almost anywhere else. That experience is highly likely to be very disappointing. And yes, then there's the sleaze factor. The place is filthy. You know the girl has been with X number of other customers today. You know she's not into it. She is likely not free to do as she wants. It's just bad all around. It would probably be better for everyone involved (except for the ones who benefit from the ripoffs) if these places didn't exist.
Totally agree. It's not worth it.
Once I went there with exactly 5$ and 2$ tip in my pockets.
Done the deed in a below average performance,
after that they have stolen even my cigs and the lighter.
Forget about it.
[QUOTE=Wendella]They're really miserable places, in my experience. Even back in their supposed glory days they weren't worth the visit. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the ripoff attempts -- and they always attempt to grab your pants in the room, and they always fight very hard to get you to pay up front before the deed -- and if you pay that upfront, you should expect that some way or another the deed is going to be extremely lame if it happens at all -- even if you manage to navigate your way through all of this, it's rare to get an experience in the room that would compare favorably to what you'd get almost anywhere else. That experience is highly likely to be very disappointing. And yes, then there's the sleaze factor. The place is filthy. You know the girl has been with X number of other customers today. You know she's not into it. She is likely not free to do as she wants. It's just bad all around. It would probably be better for everyone involved (except for the ones who benefit from the ripoffs) if these places didn't exist.[/QUOTE]
I lived in Phnom Penh for several years and became a regular afternoon (between my teaching classes) customer of "SONY" massage parlor (just around the corner from the Heart of Darkness). The girls could be hit or miss but I went there often so I learned which were the true gems.
Two or three of these gems were some of the best I ever had (in my life). Very attractive, fresh, full service, good performers, fun to be with, not whiners, sexy, very young (K11 had just been shut down and they were shipped into town from there), etc.
I was a regular so the mamasan always gave me a one dollar discount (I paid four dollars instead of the usual five). Or she would let me have two girls for seven dollars. And I always gave the girls a dollar tip each (and also occasionally to the mamasan and the guy out front who watches the motorbikes. And sometimes I would take in some fruit or candy.
I took lots of new customers to them, too. So they really loved me there, haha!
One of my favorites there "graduated" to the fish bowl over in the "New York" hotel, on Monivong, where she started dating on of the chefs. She phoned me on 2-3 occasions and wanted me to "break in" a couple of her friends who were new to the business. Of course I was glad to help her out, hehe!
One of the other favorites from SONY ended up as a "kept woman" for an older wealthy Japanese businessman at his ocean view villa just outside of Sihanoukville (she hated it but the money was too good to refuse).
I returned to Phnom Penh recently and visited SONY. All new girls and staff. No one knew me this time. Was told it would be $10 + tip, take it or leave it. I took it, regrettably, and the stunner (mistake! ) I picked was totally useless in all regards. So useless in fact that I couldn't maintain an erection. A very antagonistic encounter, to say the least!
But I had already paid in advance (unlike the old SONY) so I was a very unhappy customer.
So my point is that if you are a regular customer and know the girls/staff, there are some gems to be had at these places. Just use common sense regarding money, jewlery ripoffs, etc. ALWAYS keep your pants with you. In the shower, in the bed, etc. I never had any problems in this regard. And never take anymore than you would care to lose (just in case.)
You speak of way back if that's the time K11 was just closed. Situation was very different then.
Also overall I think street 63 and 154 should not be mixed. St 154 is still kind of OK as walking distance from tourist places. Prices tend to be higher and sometimes they'll even try to rip $40 for the younger ones. Many places on St 63 do not even allow foreigners in as sometimes some will make trouble for them, so they'll rather just rip off the few foreigners they'll let in. Service is usually terrible too. It's true that if you make some connections things may be different but will take time, trial and error, and usually would take more time than tourists typically have.
On the whole Cambodia is way down. No more Sophie, no more rooms on Circee, etc. You can still get very lucky though, but it may involve more energy than may be worth it. Nowadays I'll try to find the gems in Thailand instead. Thailand is crying out for tourists right now (unlike Cambodia) as Taksin fucked up the country, so possibly may provide better services.
Just to clarify...
I have never been in the 154 places, but have had the ripoff attempt happen at 63. I've also been refused service at 63 unless I paid upfront.
If the reports below in this thread were accurate, the same ripoff scams (stealing from the customer's pants while he does the deed) are now happening on 154. See quote below. 2 guys appear to be reporting the same scam being played at 154.
If these reports are correct, it means the proprietors of these places have chosen to have themselves 'mixed' in with 63.
But the important thing to know is that we have reports here that the 154 places are pulling the same ripoffs that the 63 places are. And if so, best to stay away.
If someone says that for him it's fine, and it took him awhile to reach this status, well, a business isn't ok if it rips off every new customer who walks in the door but will ease up on a select few. That rationale doesn't quite make sense.
[QUOTE=Fornic8]Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.
I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.
I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.
I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wendella]If the reports below in this thread were accurate, the same ripoff scams (stealing from the customer's pants while he does the deed) are now happening on 154. See quote below. 2 guys appear to be reporting the same scam being played at 154. [/QUOTE]
It must have been a year or so or maybe more I did not to go Cambodia (and actually at the time I did not even consume anything on St. 154, just took a look). If it now happens on St. 154 too then it must be a new development. which is worrying because the places in St. 154 are a stone throw from the places on St. 51 where most of the monger activities take place. They must be getting very desperate and it may be an early sign that these places will close, which, if that happens, is not going to improve the already lower attractiveness of PP for mongers.
[QUOTE=Denom]It must have been a year or so or maybe more I did not to go Cambodia (and actually at the time I did not even consume anything on St. 154, just took a look). If it now happens on St. 154 too then it must be a new development. which is worrying because the places in St. 154 are a stone throw from the places on St. 51 where most of the monger activities take place. They must be getting very desperate and it may be an early sign that these places will close, which, if that happens, is not going to improve the already lower attractiveness of PP for mongers.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure it's a sign those places will close: the ones on 63 have stayed open since forever, and no sign they're shutting. One closes, another pops up, that's how it usually is. I'd say its more a sign that those places are turning to crap. Maybe it's only one of those places doing this. So maybe there's still hope for you in whichever one you like. I can't see how it'd spread to Walkabout or HOD since the girls in those places are a whole other scene, and after all it's the management of the massage places doing it.
But I'm perfectly happy checking out the other venues. These cheapo massage places aren't an option on my list anymore. There's still plenty out there to be had. I always go to Martini's my first night in town, which is still the best one-stop reasonably priced place I know, always plenty of available girls to choose from, and I also try to research and find out which of the karaoke type places are good before I go -- once I came to the one above Casa disco (can't remember the hotel name -- just north of Wat Phnom) and walked in on a big lounge room packed with about 100 Vietnamese girls, some quite nice. All available for immediate takeout. The place is more of a for-Asians scene (Chinese, Singapore, rich Khmer, etc), but they're perfectly happy to accept white man's dollars (or black or brown man's, I imagine). No games. Anyway, there's always other options -- ones like these or others.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm not sure it's a sign those places will close: the ones on 63 have stayed open since forever, and no sign they're shutting. [/QUOTE]
Because the places on St. 154 mostly cater to foreigners, unlike the places on St. 63. If they try running this shit on foreigners, their main clientele, it's not the same as running it to the occasional foreigner visiting St. 63. That's why I find this more worrying and a possible sign that they are getting desperate and near the end - or alternatively that the two reports were only occasional and localized instances.
Well... we'll see.
Back when I was in Cambodia the first time, the worry was that you would get hold up at gun point by people on motorbike in the street, a very frequent occurrence. Nowadays it's only that you'll lose a few dollars through tricks. I guess you could call this an "improvement". Yet, I would go back in time in an instant if that was possible. Things are relatively boring nowadays, monger-wise, and is getting increasingly boring as time passes. Pretty soon it won't be worth traveling at all to have good sex.
I had the unfortunate honor to be the first one to report on this board the end of fun at Sophie's. One day the girls would fight to give me a sample of their sucking and blowing talent, the next day the same girls would just chat and do nothing because of threats from the police and religious fanatics. Chatting with a girl in bad English I can do anywhere in the world too...
It's true that it won't spread to Walkabout and other such venues but these are nothing really special anymore and you can find them in so many other countries. We are just getting slowly accustomed to the erosion of our liberties and don't realize that everything becomes just completely asseptized.
There is basically no difference between the places on St. 154 and St. 63, or the similar the places in Tuol Kok, for that matter. All cater primarily to locals (I'd say the ratio of Cambodians to foreigners at Sony is about 10-1), all will try to rip you off, and all charge $5 unless there has been a recent change. The last place of this type I went was Sony, and that is what I paid. The key was that at no time did I ask the price--I handed the guy $5, and when he said the price was now $10, I said "Sorry, I did not know the price had gone up.", took my money, and started to walk out. I did not get 2 steps. In hindsight, I wish I had. The session was lousy, and I had to constantly fight the girl to safeguard my pants. I only went to places of this type a couple of times during the Km11 era, but I agree with MikeSaw that the performance then was better, although not great. Had I been a regular customer as he was, I have no doubt that would have changed. I am not so sure it would matter now. Maybe in some of the smaller places on St. 63, it would.
Just realized that I forgot to mention one very important fact in my recent update: Walkabout no longer has short time rooms! The new manager indicated this was not by their choice, but did not give any additional details. He suggested using one at a guesthouse nearby, but since I was not really that interested in the girl, I did not bother. This place seems to be going downhill since Cleve was fired, and the remodeled Chip Lay hotel next door that was scheduled to reopen in April does not look as if it will be ready any time soon. It appeared pretty gutted a week ago.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Just realized that I forgot to mention one very important fact in my recent update: Walkabout no longer has short time rooms! The new manager indicated this was not by their choice, but did not give any additional details. [/QUOTE]
Bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade. Cambodia has loads of tourists, no need for the mongers clientele anymore and it gives them a "bad" reputation anyway. The question is only: "what will come next"?
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Totally agree. It's not worth it.
Once I went there with exactly 5$ and 2$ tip in my pockets.
Done the deed in a below average performance,
after that they have stolen even my cigs and the lighter.
Forget about it.[/QUOTE]
Then you still made out better than me,
I had about $10 =(few$ extra in pocket for moto fare),
had to pay upfront so $5 left in pocket when I got to room. Closed and put chair on the door.
They somehow got to my pant pocket ?(even though I never saw the door open)
they got the $5 +my cigs+lighter + several extra condoms.
PT
They probably had a way to get through the wall - I had this happen to me... thought I was safe with my pants near my head on the bed, but they still got to them. Had to be a gap in the wall (e.g., a seam that was weak enough to push apart and put your hand through).
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Then you still made out better than me,
I had about $10 =(few$ extra in pocket for moto fare),
had to pay upfront so $5 left in pocket when I got to room. Closed and put chair on the door.
They somehow got to my pant pocket ?(even though I never saw the door open)
they got the $5 +my cigs+lighter + several extra condoms.
PT[/QUOTE]
Was there a giant book case in the room? ;)
[QUOTE=Denom]Bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade.[/QUOTE]I guess we should have seen this coming last year when they changed the name of their upstairs bar from 'The Whale 'n' Hoe' to 'Walkabout F.C.' Old Phnom Penh is straightening up, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Hi all,
Please allow me back here to information what happening in Phnom Penh. I had read many questions from board members. Please, don't through me away. Maybe I can tell you something new.
PM me for more details.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
You can't receive PMs, you have to pay $20.00 for that privilege but please tell us something new that won't get you in trouble again.
[QUOTE=Stew2]They probably had a way to get through the wall - I had this happen to me... thought I was safe with my pants near my head on the bed, but they still got to them. Had to be a gap in the wall (e.g., a seam that was weak enough to push apart and put your hand through).[/QUOTE]
You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.
[QUOTE=Pinga 98]You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.[/QUOTE]
The most entertaining part is when the guy runs out in the hall yelling What the F***! What the F***! buck naked. ;)
Suggest you keep your money in your socks and inside your shoes next to you.
But in my opinion you need to go only if you are looking for adventure. Mongering here would be no pleasure if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Pinga 98]You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wendella]Was there a giant book case in the room? ;)[/QUOTE]
Hey Wendella,
Haven't heard from you in a bit.
I'm trying to remember all the details and I am fairly sure there was nothing in the room except 2 chairs and the bed. I also remember looking under the bed just in case some bastard was hiding there. I also remember this place had the bathroom/shower room upstairs.
PT
[QUOTE=Pinga 98]You guys are killing me with curiosity now! . Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.[/QUOTE]
If you forget the sex, then no reason to visit here as there is nothing to offer except a very lame and cheap attempt at giving you sex as most of the providers are thinking moe about stealing from you rather than blowing you= the sex is not that good anyway. And yes, the magic is that your money will disappear one way or another.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Hey Wendella,
Haven't heard from you in a bit.
I'm trying to remember all the details and I am fairly sure there was nothing in the room except 2 chairs and the bed. I also remember looking under the bed just in case some bastard was hiding there. I also remember this place had the bathroom/shower room upstairs.
PT[/QUOTE]
As I expected, Phantom, as I expected.
Was just being silly -- picuring the cheesy old gimmick from 60s tv shows like Batman -- a wall bookcase that would open up to a secret passage.
Maybe we're thinking in the wrong direction. Maybe it's like the old movie Willard, and they've trained rats to come in and go through our pockets. The clever bastards.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]If you forget the sex, then no reason to visit here as there is nothing to offer except a very lame and cheap attempt at giving you sex as most of the providers are thinking moe about stealing from you rather than blowing you= the sex is not that good anyway. And yes, the magic is that your money will disappear one way or another.[/QUOTE]
Right -- decoy sex. Technically speaking, it counts. The minimum possible in order to distract you just long enough to remove your cash from your out-of-view pants.
Someone knows the Candy Bar in Phnom Penh?
It is a bar to drink beer and talk with the girls, or sex is possible?
We have the girls to the hotel?
There are rooms for st in the bar?
Thanks !
[QUOTE=Hippie]There is basically no difference between the places on St. 154 and St. 63, or the similar the places in Tuol Kok, for that matter. All cater primarily to locals (I'd say the ratio of Cambodians to foreigners at Sony is about 10-1), all will try to rip you off, and all charge $5 unless there has been a recent change.
.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I think you never been in toul kok. I do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place
But for toul kok I totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. In all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. And in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. The girls here work only for feeding their family. Most of the girls are really kind. But since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly
Viet brothels in toul kok have change a lot. Most of the girls here are working in the various phnom penh bar during the night. Most of them are in Cambodia for a while and tend to worked with other friends as free lance. Viet brothels in toul kok have less mamasan than before. Here also I never experimented problem in 7 years.
[QUOTE=Pinga 98]You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.[/QUOTE]If you love magic, go to chowkit in kuala lumpur. Here they will give fear in more. You will have ever no time to bonk the girl. Police raid! Police raid!
[quote=denom]bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade. cambodia has loads of tourists, no need for the mongers clientele anymore and it gives them a "bad" reputation anyway. the question is only: "what will come next"?[/quote]
as much as i despise the "religious fanatics brigade," i don't think they were responsible this time. walkabout brought this on themselves by their complete lack of discretion in the face of growing public (cambodian) sentiment against them. this place has the worst reputation in phnom penh among the locals, because everyone can see inside and know pretty much what is going on. the locals, never passing up a chance to gossip and embellish the truth, actually think it is worse than it is. most think there are numerous **** girls, live sex shows in the upstairs bar, etc. the upstairs bar has been closed for awhile, and the owner says this is because he can no longer find enough staff. if that is true, it is because respectable girls will no longer work there even in a bartender/waitress position. (and yes, the girls who have worked there over the years have for the most part been "good" girls.)
[quote=channy]i'm sorry but i think you never been in toul kok. i do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place
but for toul kok i totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. in all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. and in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. the girls here work only for feeding their family. most of the girls are really kind. but since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly
viet brothels in toul kok have change a lot. most of the girls here are working in the various phnom penh bar during the night. most of them are in cambodia for a while and tend to worked with other friends as free lance. viet brothels in toul kok have less mamasan than before. here also i never experimented problem in 7 years.[/quote]
you have a good point. when i included the toul kok brothels, i was talking more about the fact that the clientele was mostly local than that they were rip off joints. i have never been ripped off in one, but i also have very limited experience in them, so i assumed that was the reason. my friends who like the brothel scene do indeed prefer toul kok, so maybe i should check it out more. i also agree about the quality drop, looks-wise.
Sorry to hear that Cleve was fired, and that they disestablished the shorttime room.
Really sad about the good girls that worked at the Walkabout quiting, they were fun to talk to (about all).
Loved the upstairs bar, there was always something to pick-up at all times of the day-night!!!
Hi guys,
Long time lurker, first time poster. I am currently in PP for a couple of days with my wife and I would like to find some action that is discrete and does not require a large time investment.
I am somewhat put off by reports of theft from brothels on 154th St. Do you think a viable option would be to carry my things in a day pack with locks on the zips? I tried a 4 hands massage in SR but there were no extras on offer. Do most massage places in PP offer extras? If anyone knows about Islands Massage on Sisowith quay, I would be interested to know.
You can get a good massage at Islands, but don't expect extras. In fact, there will probably several other massages going on at the same time, in the same room, as your massage. If you want discrete, try the Heaven Hotel (St 148 @ 19th). Walk up to the second floor. It's a fishbowl operation. Not all of the girls are beautiful, but some are. It's $5.00 for an hour massage. The rooms are nice, and has bathrooms en suite.
Been back in PP for a few weeks and staying in a guesthouse in 174 just down from the walkabou.
Been there a few times recently and it is pretty bleak especially in the daytime. Went for brekkie this morning and I was the only customer in the place, no men and no girls-unbelievable.
Is this some kind of record?
As a contrast to the slim pickings at the walkabou the bars in 136 and 104 are bursting at the seams with keen girls. I have never seen better and there are many girls from the garment factories.
So many beauties and unlike the past are keen to go?
Hate to harp on but went to the khmer nightclub le mekong tonight.
Great time was had by us despite taking our girlfriends.
So many lovely girls there bit one would have to speak khmer to snare one.
The khmer have a really good culture as far as singing and dancing goes.
So many venues that the barang never go to.
It is refreshing to go out without running into drunken barang chancers.
[QUOTE=Priapus79]Hi guys,
Long time lurker, first time poster. I am currently in PP for a couple of days with my wife and I would like to find some action that is discrete and does not require a large time investment.
I am somewhat put off by reports of theft from brothels on 154th St. Do you think a viable option would be to carry my things in a day pack with locks on the zips? I tried a 4 hands massage in SR but there were no extras on offer. Do most massage places in PP offer extras? If anyone knows about Islands Massage on Sisowith quay, I would be interested to know.[/QUOTE]So if you re a long time time reader you should know the good area for finding girls. Some locations are still the same since I started to read the forum in 2001.
So strange how the massage place has changed in the last 7 years. Until 2004, Cambodia was almost confidential. Just svay pak and maybe tuol kok was knowed. NGo started to put the light of the network on svay pak. That s make two things svay pak closed under pressure of ngo, but tourist started to be more numerous in Cambodia, helped by thaksin tourist regulation, since 2006. For those who was reader of ISG some years ago they will see that all the famous place like Lay Lay or tommy. Street 63 has gone, . This place catered local and barang. Pimps and girls was here to make money and nothing else (many girls was superstar in some forum. Not just give me a name? ). Some places was already stoled the barang but they was a small minority. Now it s the rule. Simply because the barang has not change their routine, the barang customer look more like a stupid farang in need of exotism and living in the golden age o than sex expat. (so if you think long term expat will give you info, you re wrong, long term expat hate the new farang tourist. For them they killed their little paradise)
Have you also think why always the barang get trouble in this place? Simply because if something happened to a khmer guy in a viet brothel, the brothel will get a pineapple bomb of AK47 firegun. By the law in Cambodia a foreigner is not allow anymore to have a weapon (thank Hun sen). That s why many brothel targeted the barang. They are sure nothing bad will happened. During the golden age barang catered gun for their protection, that s why maybe scams was not so common. The Cambodian police always racketed the viet brothels and have interest for not report your problem.
So if you want to avoid problem, AVOID the places in street 63 and street 154, there is enough brothel all around the city. For sure they are less numerous than before. Due Ngo pressure but simply go out phnom penh or siem reap.
Some will also notice that many place don t accepted barang as customer. It s simple for this people the equation Barang=NGO problems.
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Sorry to be a serial poster but it shows how quiet the town is.
Our kiwi mate stu passed away in the arly hours last tuesday.
Yoop jrown the khmers would say-deep night.
Stu was found by his khmer ex and her friend sitting in the chair with the TV blareing and an empty bottle of whiskey-DEAD.
The cops wanted 800 from the landlady for the inconvenience,300 for the ambulance to the hospital ten minutes away-you know the score.
Stu was a great chap,a real enthusiast,he would put anyone here to shame as far as P4P goes.
He had and encylopaedic knowledge of hostess bars,not just in PP but all over the world.
I will never forget him even though I only knew him for two years,he had become as close as anyone I know for real friendship.
We are both small town kiwis and we also had a few personal experiences in faraway places long ago on the dark side that cannot be shared.We are brothers.
RIP Stu
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Can anyone tell me if the New York hotel on Monivong offer in-room massages? I'll be in PP for two nights on business and looking for something a little decrete. By massage I mean a girl sent to your room for negotiated "activities". I'm trying to RTFF but I have serious time restraints. If not, can someone recommend a 3 or 4 star hotel that does?
Also, can someone recommend a decent fishbowl? Right now I'm thinking the Heaven Hotel.
Sorry to ask these newbe questions but having so little time I'm hoping a member can help me out. If you want you can PM me.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Adhome01]Can anyone tell me if the New York hotel on Monivong offer in-room massages? I'll be in PP for two nights on business and looking for something a little decrete. By massage I mean a girl sent to your room for negotiated "activities". I'm trying to RTFF but I have serious time restraints. If not, can someone recommend a 3 or 4 star hotel that does?
Also, can someone recommend a decent fishbowl? Right now I'm thinking the Heaven Hotel.
Sorry to ask these newbe questions but having so little time I'm hoping a member can help me out. If you want you can PM me.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
At New York hotel, just ask the front desk guy, he will find you one, if you don't like the girl, ask him get you another one, price is up to your skill of bargain. Good luck and have fun, play safe.
Please allow me recommend to peoples.
I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.
There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.
You'll like.
It is on street 200.
Bro,
What type of services do they provide and what are the charges?
Cheers
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Please allow me recommend to peoples.
I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.
There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.
You'll like.
It is on street 200.[/QUOTE]
Massages $5 an hour and $15 to $20 for short time. They were re-located from Great World massage parlour. So, I can tell you they will offer massages and ST.
I can't even imagine what it would be like to get massaged by 100 ladies.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Please allow me recommend to peoples.
I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.
There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.
You'll like.
It is on street 200.[/QUOTE]
Went bar hopping last night,had the usual great time with my usual drinking companion.
Started at the zeppelin in rue pasteur near the walkabou.Mr jun plays great music and the food is really cheap.
Then drove over to 136 to the red fox where the usual was not on offer.Walked up to 110 to the reaggae bar.Gee kenny has some nice waitresses.
On our way back to the car on st 19 we called into the dream bar for the first time-wow.
Some lovely willing girls.
Took a look at the recently reopened mikado,which looks the same as before sans kimonos.Then down to the LCC,be rude not to call in when we were so close.Again a few choice pickings.
Cant remember anything after that but i know we went to several more bars.
So it was home to bed and into mum.
[QUOTE=Don1010ho]At New York hotel, just ask the front desk guy, he will find you one, if you don't like the girl, ask him get you another one, price is up to your skill of bargain. Good luck and have fun, play safe.[/QUOTE]
Could someone also recommend a mid-range ($35-$50) hotel that is GF for a backup? Again, I can also be pm'd if necessary.
Many thanks!!
phil - is Mikado take away only now?
Mikado was always take away. That is it was take away to the hotel nex door.
This hotel is now open for bussiness again and you can take girls from the new Mikado there or girls from else where. However they have put up there prices and depending on the time of day or night there are better options available.
yeah - mikado used the hotel next door as the facility. I guess the same guy ran both of them. Used to be $12 total
Visited PP about 9 months ago, stayed at the Walk-About!!
Walk-About-Rooms well below average, but for 12 dollars a night it's hard to complain. Fair selection in both bars, 10-15.00 S/T for any girl in the bar.
Did the 136/102/104 run, had to define...selection limited....but there were some hotties for 20-40.00 a night.
Hit Shanghi, not worth visiting.....to much work/money and it's hit and miss!!!
Sharkeys, below average Mexican food/though large serving.
* Most girls before 10PM are old and worn-out, after 10 it's hit and miss.
Martinies, good selection...but the mamasan turned me off....along with the large number of African guys hanging around for a freebie or selling drugs or Beckman wannabees!!!
Motorbike taxis 1.00 anywhere in PP, don't pay more.
Casino, limited games and definitely limited pay-offs.
Food expensive for PP or a Third World Country, but overall good.
Overall, very relaxed and quiet.....didn't get hit by any rip-off artist.
Why do you guys still bother with sharkey/walkabou/martini?
Listen!
Go to the bars in 136 and 104 and meet keen girls who are don't have pimps or mamasans.,
Or go to places like the pontoon opposite 108, where we piggybacked two lovely middle class girls to last night. Me and my mate the australian judge!
These girls came from the riverhouse bar, upstairs, shitloads of rich khmer girls there. Last week we went to the mekong club, wow. So many nice girls.
You guys just go to the usual places, there is so much here.
You don't know or don't listen.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Why do you guys still bother with sharkey/walkabou/martini?
Listen!
Go to the bars in 136 and 104 and meet keen girls who are don't have pimps or mamasans.,
Or go to places like the pontoon opposite 108, where we piggybacked two lovely middle class girls to last night. Me and my mate the australian judge!
These girls came from the riverhouse bar, upstairs, shitloads of rich khmer girls there. Last week we went to the mekong club, wow. So many nice girls.
You guys just go to the usual places, there is so much here.
You don't know or don't listen.[/QUOTE]I agree phil! But you only learn these things, with more trips to PP! I dont even like to pay a bar fine these days, Get too know the girls, buy them noodle soup and hook up with them after work, Some girls just like a clean bed too sleep in, a clean towell and a clean tooth brush and will give you a freebie!
[QUOTE=Handydan]I agree phil! But you only learn these things, with more trips to PP! I dont even like to pay a bar fine these days, Get too know the girls, buy them noodle soup and hook up with them after work, Some girls just like a clean bed too sleep in, a clean towell and a clean tooth brush and will give you a freebie![/QUOTE]
Great! So you just get for the rice of a noodle-meal and a drink at 3 o'clock morning a girl that has been fucked by two guys within the last hours and now only wants to close her eyes and go to the land of dreams.
What a great way to save 10 $!
[QUOTE=Vmann]Great! So you just get for the rice of a noodle-meal and a drink at 3 o'clock morning a girl that has been fucked by two guys within the last hours and now only wants to close her eyes and go to the land of dreams.
What a great way to save 10 $![/QUOTE]Where did that come Vmann? You cant pick up in pp without money? When there are no punters around bars close about 12 pm! If you have been in the bars you know which girls have been out for the st and which have not.
If you new anything about khmer bar girls! You would know that the stay up all night and morning watching TV, when they finish work and sleep all day, too about 3pm When they wake up and go too work. You too lazy too wake up in the morning and give her one!
There are more and more freelance girls floating around 104 and 136 bars, and in these time bar owner would rather a few freelances in thier bar and make money out of drinks, than pay a salery for a wall flower!
I have taken girls out from bars (non hostess),riverside bristro, the odd cashier and even the quicky mart for noodles soup, then too hart for a bit of dancing and a freebie!
Vmman, you ever taken 2 tuk tuk full of bars girls too the Hart too party, after they have finished work? Fill them up with some noodle soup and wam bam thankyou handy dan!
[QUOTE=Handydan]Where did that come Vmann? You cant pick up in pp without money? When there are no punters around bars close about 12 pm! If you have been in the bars you know which girls have been out for the st and which have not.
If you new anything about khmer bar girls! You would know that the stay up all night and morning watching TV, when they finish work and sleep all day, too about 3pm When they wake up and go too work. You too lazy too wake up in the morning and give her one!
There are more and more freelance girls floating around 104 and 136 bars, and in these time bar owner would rather a few freelances in thier bar and make money out of drinks, than pay a salery for a wall flower!
I have taken girls out from bars (non hostess),riverside bristro, the odd cashier and even the quicky mart for noodles soup, then too hart for a bit of dancing and a freebie!
Vmman, you ever taken 2 tuk tuk full of bars girls too the Hart too party, after they have finished work? Fill them up with some noodle soup and wam bam thankyou handy dan![/QUOTE]6 $ for the tuktuks, drinks in the Heart, "moto-money" in the morning - still a good way to save 10 $.
But sorry, still I am the one, who prefers to have fucked a viet-double from the WA already three times for 30 $ all together in my hotel, when you leave the Heart in the early morning with a smiling face because you have saved 10 $.
PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.
So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.
Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.
Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.
Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.
So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.
Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.
Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.
Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.[/QUOTE]
I concur. My GF was robbed of her necklace while on the back of my moto 2 weeks ago at 11.30 am in the middle of Nordom. I chased the theif for a good while but lost him when I slowed down to try and get a cop to help.
Every day I am hearing of robberies of bikes, wallets and jewlery from Khmers last week a tourist was robbed while he was on a motodop on the way to Walkabout from Martinis at about 11.30pm he lost $30. He was surronded by 5 guys on motos.
It really is starting to get dangerous again.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]I concur. My GF was robbed of her necklace while on the back of my moto 2 weeks ago at 11.30 am in the middle of Nordom. I chased the theif for a good while but lost him when I slowed down to try and get a cop to help.
Every day I am hearing of robberies of bikes, wallets and jewlery from Khmers last week a tourist was robbed while he was on a motodop on the way to Walkabout from Martinis at about 11.30pm he lost $30. He was surronded by 5 guys on motos.
It really is starting to get dangerous again.[/QUOTE]Group of US special forces guys here recently for several weeks training khmer army.
The last week they were here one was threatened with a knife in a tuk tuk on the riverside ,,another took an uzi off a khmer in the riverhouse and tossed him down the stairs.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Group of US special forces guys here recently for several weeks training khmer army.
The last week they were here one was threatened with a knife in a tuk tuk on the riverside ,,another took an uzi off a khmer in the riverhouse and tossed him down the stairs.[/QUOTE]
How did you hear about this? Just wondering what the heck kind of situation that was where a Khmer was going around with an Uzi. Out in the open?
[QUOTE=Vmann]6 $ for the tuktuks, drinks in the Heart, "moto-money" in the morning - still a good way to save 10 $.
But sorry, still I am the one, who prefers to have fucked a viet-double from the WA already three times for 30 $ all together in my hotel, when you leave the Heart in the early morning with a smiling face because you have saved 10 $.[/QUOTE]Vmann is too scared too go to the heart! Toughen up son! Learn a few dance moves and forget about those viet ladyboys from the WA! Is WA back in action yet? I hope not!
Nothing is same before.
The business is slow and the people need money.
They do not have any better idea than try to get it from barangs.
Last weeks I was walking from NewYork Hotel to the Sorya Shopping center at about six pm. Took a moto and in 2 min and half dollar I was there. Not so dark yet.
When I came back I made my mistake deciding to walk along the roads, not so far, about 5 to 10 minutes usually with a slow walk.
Eight in the night and of course dark, as soon I approached the road parallel to moniwong (yes, stupid move! ) 50 meters far from the service entrance of the NewYork a couple of guys were following me.
I noted them and stopped to light a cigarette and watch at them. They came near me and asked a cig, one behind me tryed to lock my body and the other one was speaking in a broken english mentioning "money".
Unluckly for them I am not a small men nor a newby and have been a karate teacher in my youg years so it was not so difficult to down the man behind and smak my shoe in the face of the other one.
My reation probably surprised them and they run like cats in the night.
Better not to walk alone in dark places and use the trusted birkers or (better) taxi drivers to move around in the night.
Next vacation will be in Thailand.
from the economist this weekend:
[url]http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13832459[/url]
the sex industry in cambodia
the traffic police
jun 11th 2009 | phnom penh
from the economist print edition
’tis a pity, but she won’t go away
in eerie, deserted silence on the outskirts of phnom penh sits the prey speu detention centre. barely legible on its grimy walls a few weeks ago were cries for help and whispers of despair from the tormented souls once crammed into its grimy cells. “this is to mark that i lived in terror under oppression,” read one message.
it recalls a khmer rouge torture centre from the genocidal 1970s. but in fact the building was used just last year as a “rehabilitation” centre, where detained sex-workers, along with beggars and the homeless, learnt sewing and cooking. they were rounded up in a crackdown on trafficking for the sex industry. at first an attempt to clean up phnom penh, it soon escalated into a violent campaign by the police against prostitutes and those living on the street. according to licadho, a local human-rights group, guards at the centre beat three people to death, and at least five detainees killed themselves. sreymoa, a trafficked sex-worker, detained in may 2008 with her four-year-old daughter, recalls daily beatings, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] and one death.
partly to allay the previous american administration’s concerns about trafficking, cambodia in february 2008 outlawed prostitution. three months later the state department took cambodia off its annual “watch-list” of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url] countries. but the police read the law as entitling them to lock up all sex-workers, not help victims of trafficking.
reports of abuses soon surfaced, at first denied by the government. but in august it halted the raids as the united nations and ngos expressed mounting concern. one worry was that they would endanger hiv/aids-prevention programmes. the prevalence of hiv in cambodia had fallen to 0.8% of the population since the government adopted a campaign in 2001 for “100% condom” use. now, however, fearing the brothels where they worked would be raided, many sex-workers had started plying their trade on the streets or in karaoke bars, where health-care workers could not find them to distribute condoms.
tony lisle, of the un’s aids organisation, says that since the raids stopped, hiv-prevention efforts have resumed with more success. sex-workers in bars as well as brothels are to be covered, and the police to be encouraged to teach sex-workers about condom use. but those campaigning for sex-workers’ rights have objected, fearing that this might give the police a pretext to renew the raids. jason barber of licadho says that for years the government has stopped arbitrary detentions when a fuss has been made, only to restart them as soon as attention has shifted.
indeed, just before a regional summit in phnom penh in late may, the police again herded up beggars, sex-workers and drug-users, and sent them back to prey speu, newly reopened (with the graffiti painted over). detaining sex-workers is much easier than arresting the traffickers. but the global slowdown is adding to the ranks of the unemployed. the world bank forecasts that 200,000 cambodians will fall below the poverty line this year. many will fall into prostitution or beggary, whatever the law says and high-minded donors hope.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.
So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.
Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.
Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.
Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.[/QUOTE]Like I said in another post.; In phnom penh, Barang are the easiest target for thief. Not only because you re rich for them but simply because they know you carry no weapons with you (thank hun sen for this new law).
Khmer victims will solved their problem with Cambodian methods.; if you re a barang just shut up, the cops will never help you unless you know an important person in the army or police.
Yes phnom penh has change a lot since 2 years, next will be probably sihanoukville. And the worst is coming.
[QUOTE=Redlord59]Last weeks I was walking from NewYork Hotel to the Sorya Shopping center at about six pm. Took a moto and in 2 min and half dollar I was there. Not so dark yet.
Better not to walk alone in dark places and use the trusted birkers or (better) taxi drivers to move around in the night.
Next vacation will be in Thailand.[/QUOTE]That's sad to hear. That is considered the main road with the bus stations and such. Pretty much means no place (tourist/business) there is safe anymore.
[QUOTE=Bobz12]I went to luxury world hotel about a month ago. Large fishbowl with about 25 khmer, 25 vietnamese and a few chinese. Massages are $5/hour for khmer and viet and $7 for chinese (a couple extra for VIP room). There were a few cute khmer and viet girls none of the chinese were worth it and I am sure they would have wanted more for extras. It looked like it catered for asian customers mainly but I didn't have any problems.
I took a khmer girl, number 48, for a couple of hours. The room has big posters saying no sexual activity allowed. She spoke very little english but after a bit of a massage she asked if I wanted bom-bom. She went and showered and came back. While she was playful with the massage and then foreplay when it came to it she didn't interact very well but she was very tight.
I gave her $30 for the two hours which she seemed content with although she asked for 5o initially.[/QUOTE]Decided to try Luxury. It's on the corner of Monivong and St 200. Tuk tuk driver knew it once we got straight on the pronunciation of Luxury.
Fishbowl is as described. Viet girls to one side in yellow, Khmer girls in black, and a few Chinese on the side. I selected a girl based on interaction. Many of the Viets were smiling to attract me, but most of the Khmers were not. Nonetheless, I was interested in a Khmer, so I persisted and selected one who was showing interest in trying to attract me. I think I actually had the same girl as Bobz12 (at least my memory is that her number was 48, but not 100% sure of my memory of the number). But she has reddish tinted hair, and name is Kunthea. Attractive shape, natural 34s. More of a nice girl next door look than a head-turner.
Went upstairs, showered solo, then massage. As nothing more was being offered, I raised the issue, and sure enough, boom boom was on offer. For 50 (LOL) and I countered with 15 (LOL) she wanted 30, I said 30 would have to include yum yum, which she said she would only do covered for 40. So I eventually settled for boom boom for 25.
She then showered and emerged. Service was fairly mechanical. No kissing, not much effort to pretend she was having a good time. So cannot really recommend, though you never know if there are some gems there with a better attitude.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]From The Economist this weekend:
[url]http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13832459[/url]
The sex industry in Cambodia
The traffic police
Jun 11th 2009 | PHNOM PENH
From The Economist print edition
Partly to allay the previous American administration’s concerns about trafficking, Cambodia in February 2008 outlawed prostitution. Three months later the State Department took Cambodia off its annual “watch-list” of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url] countries. But the police read the law as entitling them to lock up all sex-workers, not help victims of trafficking.[/QUOTE]Could the American administration please be so kind and stick their nose into their own country and suppress their own people with "prostitution traps" and all other kinds of prohibition shit, if they feel that they have to! And then, why are they suppressing their own people ? Is this still a free country?
Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.
Thanks
I just got back from a good trip in PP. I didn't really see the dangerous side of it, I had a really good time. I probably owe that to my driver though. It was my first trip so I hired Sovan Mee (sovan_mee@yahoo.com). He knew all the good places to go, including the bars with beautiful girls like this one. He charged about 30/day, not bad for a personal taxi the whole day. Sovan speaks English well, so there weren't any communication problems. To show my gratitude the best I can do is recommend him to those not yet acquainted with the city.
I think out of all the bars I visited, 104 was the best. The girls there were a lot of fun.
To sum up the trip, will repeat.
[QUOTE=Adhome01]Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.
Thanks[/QUOTE]You need to discuss before you take the girl all issues.
1. How long she will stay with you.
2. How much money.
3. What services she will perform.
4. Bigger tips relating to the performance.
Too many mongers do not discuss and take the girl and complain later. In my experience most girls stay the night. Only one time a girl from 104 bar wanted to go after one pop complaining stomach ache. I paid her only the short time rate and let her go with no tip. Because she agreed to stay all night.
All girls unless they really like you a lot tries to get away with less action, shortest time.
Also be aware sometimes irrespective of the agreement at the bar they may try to sneak out giving one reason or another. These thing happen a lot in angelkes city, Philippines. The girls told me they devise a sceme where at a perticular time they would arrange their friend to call on the phone.
Suddenly the girl will tell you she had to go because of an emergency. Most of thje mongers fall for this. But in AC the whole fee is paid already.
In all countries discuss with the girl before you take her. Most of the time it will avoid misunderstandings unless the girl likes you.
[QUOTE=Adhome01]Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Adhome01,
Yes most girl at Walkabout only want st, they do 3-4 customer a day most will tell you they have to go early sister or father is sick, but you will see them later at the bar with another customer, I don't know how much you offer them for all night and why they don't want to stay with you, I think is better to just get another st girl later for 15 usd.
Fast Eddie 48
Hi guys,
I'll be in PP next month and I'm interesting in meeting girls skillfull in massage and after obviously in boom boom. Can you help me? I read about luxury hotel. Are there other place? I am not interesting in brothels or very bad massage center but maybe some spa where it is possible to find an happy end. What about the intercontinental?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Adhome01,
Yes most girl at Walkabout only want st, they do 3-4 customer a day most will tell you they have to go early sister or father is sick, but you will see them later at the bar with another customer, I don't know how much you offer them for all night and why they don't want to stay with you, I think is better to just get another st girl later for 15 usd.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Remember they're independent. They can just do what they feel like. I've had to kick a sweet girl out cos I wanted to do other girls in a short space of time. She, on the other hand, had decided to move in . . .
During my last visit in Cambodia (PhnomPenh) I used to spend my daytime driving around by bike. Not a safe way to spend your time if you can't deal with the crazy traffic of this small but chaotic city.
Anyway after few hours exploring the place I used to have a lunch somewhere and then back to my hotel (NewYork), taking a shower and a short nap and then walk to the Walkabout for the late afternnon drink and a "ladies check". Usually there are twenty of more ladies around at that time in this place and for 10 bucks you can relax and shag for a couple of hours back in your hotel room. Normally everything is on the menu with the Walkabout Girls (BJ, anal and so on.).
Do not expect a GFE but just a normal honest sex service, no emotions involved. Generally speaking they are not so beautiful but not also so ugly.
Treat them kindly and you will be rewarded by a good service.
After the evening room-exercise I used to have a good late dinner in one of my favorite places: PomLok, FC Club and some others along the riverside.
After that it was normal to take a look at the Sharky or Martinis.
Before 2AM I had generally found some good companion for the night.
20$ was the normal price for the long time with an extra 10$ tip agreed if the performance was good.
Indeed I had few runners and few poor services and normally the night companions have been very professional and willing to please.
A couple of them difficult to send away in the morning.
One time I had to send one back quickly as she looked sick (VD) and with serious behawiural problems. In ten days I met only one stunner (martinis) but with a bad attitude (she was one of the runners) and a couple of beauties (one very lovely and looking for a real boyfriend).
Never spent more that 30$ for LT services.
Apart the safety issue PP is a cheap place for sex and a dirty and boring place for tourism so not bad if you know what is your primary goal in the visit.
Have a good fun but watch your back.
Sorry for my bad english.
Joe
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It's probably the best in PP, but pricey and WAY away from the primary action
They figure that IF you have the $$$ to stay there you are a big boy (don't know if they check ID or not)
by the way - W-A girls do whatever they please - but had one - paid for what I thought was ST, she left and then came back a couple of hours later and FINALLY woke me up (tend to sleep like a log) and stayed the rest of the night.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]by the way. W-A girls do whatever they please. But had one. Paid for what I thought was ST, she left and then came back a couple of hours later and FINALLY woke me up (tend to sleep like a log) and stayed the rest of the night.[/QUOTE]Dinghy,
You must got a comfortable bed at your hotel, which hotel did you stay at did you charge her for overnight stay.
Hahaha
Fast Eddie 48
Would appreciate info on any gf hotels near Walkabout, I fear Walkabout would drive me crazy with the noise all night. Thanks in advance fellow mongers and keep up the good work.
Flamingo was OK - but any hotel is a b i t c h when the TEMPLE wakes you up at 7AM $25/night
Look don't want to be a smartarse but I do live here and have for too long.
Booked my mate into the paragon two weeks ago on the riverside.
It has a lift, $23 rooms with a window, discretion, a la flamingo they ring as the girl leaves to make sure that all is OK and it is clean and new.
Mattresses, sheets and towels are new apparently.
Better still it is near the corner of 136 with the best entertainment in town within 200 metres.
So many bars, the fox is close and very pleasant in the daytime, candy bar is open 24 hours and there are some great girls in there as well as good pizza and killer margaritas, iris next door is good as is thearys diagonally opposite.
Best of all, cheerleaders on 19, go down 136 and take the first left.
Bar of choice for residents at the moment, so many girls and so many nice ones. Big titted dancing girls who look great as well as non dancers.
My mate used to do the flamingos, walkabou, sharkey, martini thing-forget it now. We went to the midway bars last night, near the corner of 108 and 51-good!
Had a great time in golden vine or was it zapata with so many girls with big tits.
My mate got the number of a hot viet there last night who he called today, she was around to the hotel in a flash and gave great service.
Tomorrow another mate arrives, this one a potential victim, his first time in Cambodia.
We will start early, four of us at the LCC followed by mikado-he will be spinning by now then maybe after an interval up to the cheerleaders!
Poor bugger-he is doomed.
Interesting tit bit so to speak, this mate here tomorrow has a huge dick as does another mate here.
In a bar the other night, the boys were on the sofas at the back of some bar and the girls caught sight of the monster-they swooned apparently.
Now we have two guys, both oldish, both of average stature but with huge dicks.
You think that we won't milk this, so to speak, at every place we go? We want a contest, out in the open to see who has the biggest dick.
Ahh what a great town.
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Sorry, I think I posted this in the wrong section earlier.
Anyone been to ROCK Entertainment Center (aka the ROCK)? What is the scene like and what are the prices? Hoping some highroller has the info.
Thanks
I'm a Cambodia newbie but have gone twice in the past month (short trips). I stayed at Flamingos both times and liked it. The staff is friendly, the rooms are decent (with safe) and the location is good. I never had a problem with noise.
It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. I think it's a good, safe place for a 1st timer who doesn't know the area.
If you need a driver, check out Saran in the Classified Ads section.
Have fun!
Hi Phil Istine
Candy Bar is a place only for dring, chat and eat or you can take a girl to the hotel for LT or ST?
Its posibel in Candy bar service ST with staff girl?
You can show me the exact address of Candy Bar?
Thanks
Been to rock many times,cambodian kids hangout really.Super loud music in a really nice venue.Beer a few dollars each.
Spark and spark blue very similar but at least one of them has massage and karaoke for khmer speakers only.
Candy bar is a hostess bar in 136 first block from the river beween iris and huxley.
Of course one can take girls short time or long time-this is cambodia.
Other good places are the golden boss on the northern end of the riverside and near wat phnom the casa club with lost of viet girls in the dico after midnight.
No many barang go.
Heard last night about the place,big new multi story gym building in sihanouk near pasteur.
Rooftop bar is cool but now also have a nightclub on level 5,lots of vietnamese girls and really beautiful apparently.
Drinks a little expensive but has to be good.
Hopefully next week we go to the exclusive karaoke,report to follow.
The main hall of Rock maybe for the kids, but the rest of the venue sure is not. I have been there with some Chinese and Khmer business men to a Karaoke room. They do have some nice girls there including some models but most of them are just everyday 7's. How do I now one of them was a model? she went and got the magazine she was in. Do they go? Yes they mostly do, but it will cost you $50+ for the night. But if you are prepared to spend a hundred or so each to drink and play with the girls in the room for a few hours that should be no obsticle.
Hi Phil Stine,
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Spain,
All the girls that I know in Candy go outside for a ST or a LT. The barfine is $8. As for the staff behind the bar well that is like most hostess bars in that the girls either dont go out or only go ocasonaliy with guys that they like or pay big money. For regular customers ie people that they know they have a rooms on the premisis for another $10. An expensive option when you could go to a hotel during the day for $2 or at night for $5.
Went to LCC with the boys last night including the new victim.
He lasted two minutes before retiring upstairs!!
Next stop mikado-a good lineup and another chap went up.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Been to rock many times,cambodian kids hangout really.Super loud music in a really nice venue.Beer a few dollars each.
Spark and spark blue very similar but at least one of them has massage and karaoke for khmer speakers only.
Candy bar is a hostess bar in 136 first block from the river beween iris and huxley.
Of course one can take girls short time or long time-this is cambodia.
Other good places are the golden boss on the northern end of the riverside and near wat phnom the casa club with lost of viet girls in the dico after midnight.
No many barang go.
Heard last night about the place,big new multi story gym building in sihanouk near pasteur.
Rooftop bar is cool but now also have a nightclub on level 5,lots of vietnamese girls and really beautiful apparently.
Drinks a little expensive but has to be good.
Hopefully next week we go to the exclusive karaoke,report to follow.[/QUOTE]
Where is Rooftop bar located in Phnom penh?
Thanks
TC.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Look don't want to be a smartarse but I do live here and have for too long.
Booked my mate into the paragon two weeks ago on the riverside.
It has a lift, $23 rooms with a window, discretion, a la flamingo they ring as the girl leaves to make sure that all is OK and it is clean and new.
Mattresses, sheets and towels are new apparently.
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Hi Phil
First of all let me thank for your report.
I'll be passing from PP sometime in the near future, most possibly on visa run from BKK, and I would appreciate if you can provide any contact info for the Paragon hotel. Also do they provide in room internet access either Lan or Wi-Fi and is it for free?
Thanks
Forgive my difficulty with the English language. I do not speak English well.
I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.
Last Thursday I called the phone and appeared drunk or drugged. I never met her in those circumstances. If she goes with tourists, cease to be my girlfriend.
I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.
If she works there and goes with tourists, I have finished this beautiful relationship.
Thanks for your help!
[QUOTE=Spain]Forgive my difficulty with the English language. I do not speak English well.
I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.
Last Thursday I called the phone and appeared drunk or drugged. I never met her in those circumstances. If she goes with tourists, cease to be my girlfriend.
I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.
If she works there and goes with tourists, I have finished this beautiful relationship.
Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Why keep a cow when there is milk everwhere.
[QUOTE=El Greco]Hi Phil
First of all let me thank for your report.
I'll be passing from PP sometime in the near future, most possibly on visa run from BKK, and I would appreciate if you can provide any contact info for the Paragon hotel. Also do they provide in room internet access either Lan or Wi-Fi and is it for free?
Thanks[/QUOTE][url=http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=hotel+paragon+phnom+penh+yellowpages]Let me google that for you[/url]
Internet I don't know but many restaurant outside the hotel have free internet.
William,
You're right, thanks for your advice.
[QUOTE=Spain]William,
You're right, thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]
Suggestion: post this same question over in Other Areas, not Phnom Penh. Phil Istine posts there too.
I've never been to Battambang, have no idea about this "Candy's" though it sure does sound like the name of a bar for foreigners.
Long distance relationships are generally not a smart idea. You have no control and only get to think about fond memories and fears. The fact that you're wondering about what she's doing means you probably haven't had enough time to build real trust with her yet. Where did you meet her?
I'm not necessarily saying 'forget about it' but the odds are slim it can work out.
[QUOTE=Spain]I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.
I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.[/QUOTE]If you want I can check her end of July. Just let me know. I know the bar coz im living in Cambodia.
I go to Cambodia for 10 years. I am well aware of all the environments of women, I know very well the Cambodian custom and tradition with the women in town. I am not a beginner at this place. But all, as we are, we fall in love someday. Cambodian women and is very good woman. You will not find women in Cambodia in Spain or in Europe.
Next August will travel to Phnom Penh. My favorite place: Golden Boss Dancing. My first, and never come back: Martini, Sharky Bar, Sophie, Shanghai Bar ... A very poor quality of many women and women with alcohol and drug problems.
20-30 dollars a night is a very low price. A very poor quality of women. You think these women have sex Martini several times a day, with several foreign ... It is better to go to places where women are more beautiful, a little more expensive but higher quality.
We note here where women are quality. I prefer:
Karaoke in Phnom Penh Hotel, La Casa Hotel.
Went to Le Cyrcee, it has been posted previously that they can be bargained down to $15, however, I found this to no longer be the case and I even talked to the manager. The price is now $20 for the girl, $5 room charge (on premises) and $3 for lady drink, which is a mandatory charge when you barfine whether you order one or not, so the grand total is $28. Otherwise, quality looked very good, you will be immediately swarmed by very friendly, cute and young girls all competing for you. Otherwise, I walked around the general area patronizing most of the places, wasn't able to find a better price (with the exception of Walkabout, where I ended, $15 for girl, $7 for hotel, but the looks of the girls were not as good as the other places, better to spend $6 more for a hottie). Some of the girls elsewhere wanted even more, I found one who wanted $50 (plus room- WTF this is Cambodia) and one who wanted $30 plus room. On the positive side, they never really hit me up for drinks, which is very different, in typical mongering if you want to talk/negotiate with a girl a drink is mandatory, but no one even asked so I don't think I bought a lady drink all night.
Rooftop bar at the place,just west of street 51 on sihanouk boulevard.Big multi story building with lots of black lexie outside-you cant miss it.
Nida at candy from battambang,maybe my mate has fucked her.He has done five there recently.
Spain is right golden boss near the riverside and casa cliub have great girls.
Why people still go the sharkey,walkabou,martini route baffles me.
maikado is great value at 20 and LCC 25 all good.
The bars are full of great girls,candy,updown,thearys,cheerleaders,dream and then there is st 104.
Met a cute little thing at LCC the other nght and the first thing she said was i suck you and you come in my mouth-whatever was she getting at?
Why these girls insist on beating around the bush beats me.
Got to go have a shower and hit the bars,latest tip is level 5 at the place-chokkas with viet girls.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Rooftop bar at the place,just west of street 51 on sihanouk boulevard.Big multi story building with lots of black lexie outside-you cant miss it.
Nida at candy from battambang,maybe my mate has fucked her.He has done five there recently.
Spain is right golden boss near the riverside and casa cliub have great girls.
Why people still go the sharkey,walkabou,martini route baffles me.
maikado is great value at 20 and LCC 25 all good.
The bars are full of great girls,candy,updown,thearys,cheerleaders,dream and then there is st 104.
Met a cute little thing at LCC the other nght and the first thing she said was i suck you and you come in my mouth-whatever was she getting at?
Why these girls insist on beating around the bush beats me.
Got to go have a shower and hit the bars,latest tip is level 5 at the place-chokkas with viet girls.[/QUOTE]Hi Phil,
I see you talk Nida from Battambang. Can you tell your experience with this girl? How macht for LT? You have to post photos here?
Greetings
[QUOTE=Spain]Hi Phil,
I see you talk Nida from Battambang. Can you tell your experience with this girl? How macht for LT? You have to post photos here?
Greetings[/QUOTE]
I misunderstood in your earlier post, I thought you meant that Candy Bar was in Battambang. I haven't been to PP in over a year, hadn't heard of it there. It is in PP, right? Where is it exactly?
Phil Istine mentions a rooftop bar on Sihanouk Blvd -- is that Candy he is talking about or some other place? (not clear!)
Candy Bar is on street 136 it is one of the biggest bars in Phnom Penh. It is aprox 3 standard shop fronts wide. It is open 24 hours with hostess there all the time. It has good priced food at lunch times although this has recently gone up.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Candy Bar is on street 136 it is one of the biggest bars in Phnom Penh. It is aprox 3 standard shop fronts wide. It is open 24 hours with hostess there all the time. It has good priced food at lunch times although this has recently gone up.[/QUOTE]
It's a bar-restaurant? So it sounds like these aren't the same type of girls as in the bars at St 104 then. What kinds of 'hostesses' are we talking about then? Is this the kind of place where good girls also work, or is it one where they seem available.
Spain seems to have jumped to the wrong conclusion that Phil Istine had met his girl. Phil was only saying his friend MAY have done something with her, but hadn't checked to find out for sure.
Thank you all for the replies. Sorry for the error. It was a great time with my girlfriend for a long time and now I am concerned by this situation. She says that does not make sex with tourists, but I'm sure it does.
Cambodia is very large and has many beautiful girls.
Greetings to all
[QUOTE=Wendella]It's a bar-restaurant? So it sounds like these aren't the same type of girls as in the bars at St 104 then. What kinds of 'hostesses' are we talking about then? Is this the kind of place where good girls also work, or is it one where they seem available.
Spain seems to have jumped to the wrong conclusion that Phil Istine had met his girl. Phil was only saying his friend MAY have done something with her, but hadn't checked to find out for sure.[/QUOTE]
No it is very much the same girls that work in the bars on 104. In fact it is run by the girl that also runs 69 and some of the other bars. So the girls actualy move back and forth as they are required. I dont know exactly what the employment contacts are but I would not be surprised if the are not tied to the one bar but rather the group of bars that she runs. However she does have partners in some of the other bars that may stop this from happening offically. But it sure does unoffically and it pisses the other partners off.
So in Short it is exactly the same hostess bar set up as 69, night owl, great palm, etc, etc but it is open 24 hours a day and has a kitchen and rooms.
Candy bar is good,my legless mate had five girls from there in six nights!
I met a stunner in there,fresh from a waitress job in siem riep.
Times are tough up there.
My mate says that he definietly did the girl that spain mentions and she was good!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Candy bar is good,my legless mate had five girls from there in six nights!
I met a stunner in there,fresh from a waitress job in siem riep.
Times are tough up there.
My mate says that he definietly did the girl that spain mentions and she was good![/QUOTE]
Your friend sure does like candy.
Sounds like case closed on this one.... except for one detail. Legless?
I was still curious how Spain had met this girl, but it looks like it's a moot point now. Even if he met her in a convent, she's no nun anymore.
Yeah poor bugger hasnt got a leg to stand on anymore.
Caught a virus and turned black all over,gangrenous legs had to come off about eight months ago.
He was unsure how the girls would treat him this time,he had been many times previously.
I didnt know either but one night out showed that he got the sympathy vote every time-the girls were really keen!
I was stumped,as was he!
He also put his hand out to beggars-look at me barang lehim leharm.
It was great.
My friend, in Candy Bar, responded with this e-mail.
I do not know any girl from the class of copper bars 100-200 a night. Or is it a girl superstar?:
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Thank you so much for everything how do you thing about me i can do or not? yes no good for me if i sele my self do you can support me every month? i don't want sex with them for 20 o r30 USD like you thing. They ask me to go with them about 100_200 USD i don't too. do you want me do like that?. I Love you for ever!
Next August I will be in Phnom Penh.
Someone can tell me any reference of this hotel?
[url]http://www.thequayhotel.com/[/url]
This Hotel is girlfriend?
Thanks
Quay is beautiful,lovely rooms and a bar on the roof with a small swimming pool.
Cost the FCC a fortune and may ruin them yet.
And yes like nearly all hotels girl friendly.
Exceptions pavilion and billabong.
I will in PP in August, as i'm getting a special offer of 130$ per night at this hotel, I would like to know if its guest friendly?
Thanks in advance.
I'd two clients were stayed at Raffl hotel since last month. One guy from America and another from Uk. They took every is guest from hostes bar to thier room. I haven't seen anything happen to him. So, we could say Raffl is allow your guest in.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Member #2453]I will in PP in August, as i'm getting a special offer of 130$ per night at this hotel, I would like to know if its guest friendly?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Depends as Raffles is a 5star hotel.
A friend of mine did have a "guest" go with him to room but he said she was more upscale hooker and looked and dressed the part.
Not sure if hotel security will let in a cheap looking hooker though as some classy hotels have to keep an image-ha ha
PT
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Cost the FCC a fortune and may ruin them yet.[/QUOTE]That would take some doing -- they've been absolutely minting money for years. You have to admire their business record, though I do miss having a press club that's still worthy of the name.
Don't know who tells you stories Betong, no one in Phnom Penh mints money.
FCC has been rumoured to be losing heaps for a long time.
Siem Riep last week the place was dead as was post happy hour in phnom penh last week.
They have spent heaps for not much return lately.
What is the times to find the girls at Casa Hotel?
What is the approximate price for ST or LT of the girls there?
Karaoke Casa Hotel in what is the barfine for take the girl inside?
What is the charge the girl for a LT?
Casa Hotel is guestfriendlich?
Greetings !
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]They have spent heaps for not much return lately.[/QUOTE]That I'll grant you. But they did earn the heaps to start with. Apparently they did just fine last high season in both PP & SR, though of course the real test is the other 8 months of the year.
Not that I care much. They've become pretty irrelevant to all but guidebook-toting tourists.
[QUOTE=Spain]What is the times to find the girls at Casa Hotel?
What is the approximate price for ST or LT of the girls there?
Karaoke Casa Hotel in what is the barfine for take the girl inside?
What is the charge the girl for a LT?
Casa Hotel is guestfriendlich?
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The girls come to Casa karaoke in evening -- not all at once but more and more during the evening. I think there are lots more there evenings than daytime. Last time I asked, it was $50 for the girl LT but had to pay $15 fine. Or you could pay the $15 for a room there and spend time with her there first (tho then you would need to buy drinks etc.) I'm pretty sure that hotel is both gastfreundlich (in German) and guest friendly (English). ;)
I am currently on Phnom Penh and wanted to report some findings:
The Place (Just west of Street 51 on Sihanouk Boulevard).
Went there last night (Saturday) around 11pm and stayed until midnight. Very high end nightclub and a bit hard to work out really. I didnt see any obvious working girls although there were a few russian looking girls with Asian guys. I got the feeling that this was not a place for mongering or if it is then you coulod expect to pay high prices. I did see one Viet looking girls who looked like a possibility but she was really nothing special and didnt ask. Overall the place was really very quiet.
Street 63
I have used these places before and never any problem but this time was completely different. Never go to these places it is absolutely true that they will try to rip you off. I went in and they asked $30 for a girl and i said no way, $10 is maximum and they accepted this. Get into the room and girl asks me to hang my shorts on hook near door and I said no i keep on bed. She simply refused to go any further unless I hung my shorts on the hook. She shouted something then in Vietnamese and I quickly opened the door and sure enoogh i saw 2 guys outside the door who quickly bolted down the corridor!! Amazing and not an urban myth after all. I put my stuff back on and demanded my money back and finally we settled on half, meaning they gave me back $5...unbelievable man, why do they have to do that shit!! In contrast the plave on street 154 near to Norodom boulevard was fine and no problems at all. I dont think they any intention to rip people off there.
Luxury Hotel (Close to corner of Monivong and street 200)
This place is very hit or miss and frustrating. Graet selection of girls in the fish bowl and it seems i got really lucky on the first day. Lovely Khner girl who gave great full service including great yum yum for $25 no haggling. Went back today and bit of a nightmare. Lovely girl but wanted $60 for yum yum and boom boom!! I said no way and finally she agreed to $30 for boom boom only. The problem is that the rooms have doors with windows so every one can see what is happening as you walk by. First day was lucky as room was end of corridor so girl was ok that light was dimmed only....second day room was fully exposed and so she wanted to completely turn off the lights...to me this is totally pointless to P4P in the dark..so finally she wouldnt agree to have some light so we didnt do anything, just massage only. She was pretty pissed off but she would not relent on lighting or price. Weird thing is that their are hooks either side of window to hang a towel across but they refused to do this....really quite frustrating and seemed a little stupid to me, kimd of hard to work out the logic. This place seems very hit and miss.
Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout
Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story.
Streets 104 and 136
These bars are pretty good and really quiet now so the girls are very keen to go with customers, Took an absolutely lovely, slim 20 year old Khmer girl from a bar on 104 but i cant remember the name of the bar. Plenty to choose from there though. All the girls seemed keen to go with a client as there are very few clients around. Highly recommended for a look. Paid the girl $25 and $10 to the bar (not sure if that is right or not) but she was an absolute stunner.
Le Cyrcee
Gone way down hill in my opinion. Full of mostly lower teir Khmer girls now. What happened to all the hard body Vietnamese girls!! It was ok though and the rooms upstairs were functioning and i did take one girl up there. In fairness the service was excellent and although I prefer the hard body Vietnamese this girl was very service minded and included very good and unhurried yum yum.
Summary
Phnom Penh has gone way way way down hill over the years and the slide continues. In my opinion no longer a whoring destination of note although in fairness I did have a great time but took quite a lot of effort and a few wasted dollars here and there. Big question is what the hell happened to all the Vietnamese girls?? That for me used to be the highlight of Phnom Pemh but they are pretty much gone now. This place is very quiet at the moment and I would have to say that it is a buyers market right now. I doubt that I will ever come back to Phnom Penh for whoring but realise that it could be especially quiet now as it is low season.
[QUOTE=Wendella]The girls come to Casa karaoke in evening -- not all at once but more and more during the evening. I think there are lots more there evenings than daytime. Last time I asked, it was $50 for the girl LT but had to pay $15 fine. Or you could pay the $15 for a room there and spend time with her there first (tho then you would need to buy drinks etc.) I'm pretty sure that hotel is both gastfreundlich (in German) and guest friendly (English). ;)[/QUOTE]Danke für alles, Wendella
"Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout
Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story."
I agree with you.
Ten years ago was a different world Phnom Penh. Now for me it's a disappointment
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]Phnom Penh has gone way way way down hill over the years and the slide continues.[/QUOTE]I'd say rather that it's changing, in ways that are good and bad.
The Street 63 brothels have always been dodgy and now they're just totally outrageous. No need to keep testing this out.
Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout: Agreed, pretty dreadful. One can find the occasional OK girl if you're willing to spend time in these places . . . but why do that?
Cyrcee: Sadly, I agree here too. I used to love this place but the current lineup is unimpressive.
104 & 136: This is the good part of the change. The hostess bars here, and elsewhere, are getting better than ever. It takes more effort, more money, and more chance of disappointment, but both quality and quantity are up, and there is some exquisite talent to be had.
In general I think the changes favor residents over visitors, especially if you speak a bit of Khmer. And, as you say, there's been a definite Khmer-isation of the scene. I too miss the Viet girls, but it was part of a certain historical generation and we probably won't see them in such numbers again.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]
Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout
Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story.[/QUOTE]
I've never been a fan of Walkabout or Sharky's -- have stopped in a few times but never saw anything I'd take in those 2 -- not sure if that's jsut luck or what. However, on my last 2 visits to PP, I've had great success in Martini. On each visit I spotted a really special cutie on the dance floor. First one was a petite, thin big-breasted new girl, 18 I believe, who was just delicious and all-out in bed. Second time was a tallish thin girl with a beautiful face. Only drawback was that she'd had a baby, but again at 19 and stunning, wish I had a mother who looked like that. I'd just been in Bangkok, and I did not see any girl at Nana or Cowboy who could match this one in looks. OK so maybe I was lucky. Last visit there was 2007, hard to believe its dropped off drastically since then.
Anyway, what is your problem (those of you who don't like it) with Martini, exactly? Some are turned off by the darkness of that dance floor. If you stay in there a few minutes your eyes adjust, and then (for me at least) it's the best spot in the place. I have been there some nights when there wasn't much interesting available, so I can understand your being down on it if that's been your experience. Over the years, for me Martini has always been a place that can be great one night and a dud the next. Even when it was at its old location in the southwest corner of the city (original spot). My first time there was 2001.
[QUOTE=Spain]Danke für alles, Wendella[/QUOTE]
Bitte schön
In 2007 Martinis was still passable..i agree with that.....you cannot begin to imagine how much it has changed since then....it looks like a home for lost HIV and drug adicted single mothers.....the dance floor is empty now and so is the outdoor garden...maybe 30 nasty, HIV loking single moms mostly in their late twenties and early thirties....and the Vietnamese are all gone. This for me is the worst part of the demise of Phnom Penh...the complete lack of Vietnamese girls now!! They are noweher to be found anymore.
Last night I was in Cheerleaders in Street 136 and yes there were some really nice looking Khmer girls but they just dont quite do it for me....then some guy walked in with his Vietnamese girlfriend who used to work there and she was stunning an just infinetly (in my opinion) more sexy than th cambodian girls....it made me realise why I wanst really chomping at the bit to barfine a cambodian girl..while they are nice they just dont come anywhere close to those hard bodied Vietnamese girls....even the slim Cambodian girls just dont seem to have any firmness about them...
Always amazes me the physical difference between Thai, Cambodian and Vietnamese even though they are so geographically close...sorry waffling now.
Point is that since 2007 you cant blieve how far downhill Martinis (or Phnom Penh for that matter) has gone for the casual visitor.
Hey there, after browsing through the forum for a couple of weeks now I thought its time to pop my cherry.
I am doing a SEA trip in the end of this year and need a place to stay that has reliable broadband con. I assume staying in hostels won't do the job then right? Can you guys recommend any sources where I can find cheap condos in PP area?
Thanks,
Keep it up
Matt
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]In 2007 Martinis was still passable..i agree with that.....you cannot begin to imagine how much it has changed since then....[/QUOTE]
Strange. Why do you think this happened? It is slow season, so that can't help.
My last 2 finds in Cambodia were both Khmer, so that's no problem for me. I don't have preferences -- or, I prefer attractive girls regardless where they come from. There's certain types I see in Cambodia that I find more exotic than Vietnamese, sometimes, and then plenty of others that I don't. Both these were like that. Really beautiful girls are actually rare -- I'd guess less than 1 in 1000 girls. But I'd say I see some in every country I go to. Doesn't sound like you're seeing too many lately. Anyway, for me in PP, there've been plenty of nights where I didn't find what I was hoping for. But also some lucky strikes. PP doesn't really have enough monger tourists to inspire its scene to grow, so it's pretty much up to the guys to sniff out where the girls have gone to, and then go there.
Martini I conceived in 2000 and for me were the best times of Martini. Very few tourists. Was full of very pretty vietnam girls. It was the best time of Martini.
SovanMee taxi driver that was my best year. I did the very best in Phnom Penh Thanks Sovana Mee. I hope to see you in August.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]I am currently on Phnom Penh and wanted to report some findings:
Street 63
I have used these places before and never any problem but this time was completely different. Never go to these places it is absolutely true that they will try to rip you off. I went in and they asked $30 for a girl and i said no way, $10 is maximum and they accepted this. Get into the room and girl asks me to hang my shorts on hook near door and I said no i keep on bed. She simply refused to go any further unless I hung my shorts on the hook. She shouted something then in Vietnamese and I quickly opened the door and sure enoogh i saw 2 guys outside the door who quickly bolted down the corridor!! Amazing and not an urban myth after all. I put my stuff back on and demanded my money back and finally we settled on half, meaning they gave me back $5...unbelievable man, why do they have to do that shit!!.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting Bowerboy, but sad you still got ripped for $5 and came away empty( at least cop a feel with the gal since you were there already).
BTW the real rate is $5 to begin with--bargain hard and you can get this rate as they are more interested in whats in your wallet =(hey this almost sounds like a Capital One card commercial) and trying to get you upstairs.
Just had to highlight what you said here as I had often told many many newbies(and some senior members) that this is NOT an urban myth (unlike the alligators in the NYC sewers) and shit does happen here. I can't count the number of times some bro PM me and said "I should've listen to you etc etc"-I will not mention any names as they all learned the lesson the hard way.
Still, having read all this, some will always try their luck there as they think this is "fun"-as told by a monger here. Well, good luck as several of us have gave fair warnings now.
PT
After few weeks I am back and PP due to some business.
Weather is boring and the usual P4P places are almost empty.
Definitely a buyer market.
I cannot understand who complains about people who still "hunts" in the usual areas (Martini's, Sharky, Walkabout, etc.).
For sure there are many other interesting new places to visit.
But they start to look very similar to many bars in Thailand.
And if I want to spend an evening "hunting" in a beer bar or in a go-go no better place that Pattaya or Bangkok, why losing my time to come here in the 4th world Cambodia?
What used to make this Country (well. Phnom Penh) so different were the very sleazy and relaxed mood and the atmosphere that you can find (yes still now!) in these old bars.
Right now in Cambodia you got to watch your back more carefully than before (. Specially if you like to drink a lot and walk around alone in the night) but just talking about "hunting" among the many girls that indeed you find here, and you can find ladies for every taste, for sure you still can find some diamond in the rubbish! No bullshit.
Saturday Martini's was packed with girls, sharky's was ok, walkabout full after 3 am.
Nice, young, smiling and beatyful ladies. And also few monsters.
But that's normal. And generally speaking they are for sure younger and more beautyful and slimmer that the average beerbar ladies in Thailand!
So what the heck! This is a wonderful time if you play smart and have the time to choose.
Have a good holiday!
After lauding the casa I went a few weeks ago with a mate quite late and it was terrible, but there were all viet girls there. Lots of them but not our cup of tea. Golden boss is probably better.
The 5th floor nightclub at the place is reputed to have lots of beautiful viets but this is niek mien territory-hardup barangs fuck off.
Getting more dangerous here, first barang shot for his moto the other night-shot twice after he handed it over.
[QUOTE=Spain]Martini I conceived in 2000 and for me were the best times of Martini. Very few tourists. Was full of very pretty vietnam girls. It was the best time of Martini.
SovanMee taxi driver that was my best year. I did the very best in Phnom Penh Thanks Sovana Mee. I hope to see you in August.[/QUOTE]
For me, I got there slightly after that, 2001. It was pretty good then. Though even in those days, some nights I'd go there and hang out for a few hours and never spot anything that seemed worth going for. And then leave, head elsewhere. Then some nights, would have better luck. I'd say when I was there in 2007, it was pretty much about the same in terms of quality as what I remember back in 2001. For me at Martini, even on good nights it meant I'd probablly have to hang out there awhile and hope something good showed up eventually. Sometimes it did, sometimes not. Sometimes I'd settle for something acceptable.
The hottest girl I ever saw in that place was Vietnamese. She was so hot one guy after another approached her (including me) but she wasn't interested, just kept dancing with her girlfriends. She looked like a fashion model, clearly stood out from the crowd there. Of the ones I took, the cutest ones that I still can remember were actually Cambodian girls. I sure took some VN there but just don't remember any of them now. One of the hottest I ever grabbed was an accident -- I met one girl I liked, tall skinny girl, and she talked me into taking her friend along with us. When I got in the taxi with them, took a closer look at her friend and was blown away. Gorgeous. Way hotter than the one I asked back. [both these girls were Cambodian, by the way] Unfortunately things didn't go great up in the room, the cute one ended up leaving earlier, got pissy about something and just couldnt' get past it. The skinny one never wanted to leave -- was there til next afternoon. Oh well. The threesome in this case was disappointing -- they wouldn't get in bed together. One or the other would wait in the toilet.
My last time in PP, I actualy visited St 63, went into one place and asked about taking a girl. This was evening, the place pretty busy. The mamasan told me the deal: pay $15 upfront. Knowing the routine in these places and how they're so out to screw over foreigners, this seemed completely out of the question -- it would be me paying that money and then probably not getting anything out of it other than fighting for my pants upstairs. Surely the girl's performance would be terrible, if there'd be any at all. The lady was not open to any negotiation. Half now, half after? No. (as if the foreigners were some kind of risk of leaving without paying-- please). So of course I skipped that one. Yeah I'd say these places are totally history.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]After lauding the casa I went a few weeks ago with a mate quite late and it was terrible, but there were all viet girls there. Lots of them but not our cup of tea. Golden boss is probably better.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the disco being terrible or the karaoke upstairs, through the hotel? If the karaoke, if you got there very late, it'd be the leftovers you would be seeing, right?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]The 5th floor nightclub at the place is reputed to have lots of beautiful viets but this is niek mien territory-hardup barangs fuck off.
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Do you mean 5th floor nightclub at Golden Boss? Where's that? And what is 'niek mien'?
I think Golden Boss is a disco dancing. Only have one floor!
Is Golden Bos one hotel?
[QUOTE=Spain]I think Golden Boss is a disco dancing. Only have one floor!
Is Golden Bos one hotel?[/QUOTE]
Thanks Spain, now Im' even more confused. ;)
OK-The Place is a new multi story high class expensive gym with a fake starbucks,a nice bar on the roof and apparently a very flash nightblub with viet girls.
It is on sihanouk boulevard just west of st 51 rue pasteur.
The place is full of niek mien meaning literally people have.
They are the obscenely rich,spoilt cunts who steal the aid money and the land from the poor people.
They generally drive black lexie and they and their bodyguards have lots of guns and are not afraid to use them.
The golden boss is a ground floor disco on the north end of the riverside,near wat phnom and before the container port.
We went to the casa about midnight,not late at all and it was fucked.
Forgot to mention i was told about a show at disco one,an expensive crappy disco on st 174 corner of st 61 which sums up all that is obscene about cambodia.
Pre pubescent girls in bikinis all heavily made up dancing suggestively for a crowd of young spolit rich niek mien cunts who could see no problem with this.
Mien means wealthy as well as have. The term nay-uk mien means 'the rich'.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]OK-The Place is a new multi story high class expensive gym with a fake starbucks,a nice bar on the roof and apparently a very flash nightblub with viet girls.
It is on sihanouk boulevard just west of st 51 rue pasteur.
The place is full of niek mien meaning literally people have.
They are the obscenely rich,spoilt cunts who steal the aid money and the land from the poor people.
They generally drive black lexie and they and their bodyguards have lots of guns and are not afraid to use them.
The golden boss is a ground floor disco on the north end of the riverside,near wat phnom and before the container port.
We went to the casa about midnight,not late at all and it was fucked.
Forgot to mention i was told about a show at disco one,an expensive crappy disco on st 174 corner of st 61 which sums up all that is obscene about cambodia.
Pre pubescent girls in bikinis all heavily made up dancing suggestively for a crowd of young spolit rich niek mien cunts who could see no problem with this.[/QUOTE]
Alles klar. Now I realize The Place is the NAME of the place. I wasn't catching that. It's a GYM? Weird.
Now with this description, I know exactly where Golden Boss is -- I have gone past there, considered going in.
I wonder what the excuse was for the Disco 1 show.
btw, the peak time I noticed at Casa karaoke was around 8.30 to 9pm because all the girls had just shown up for their shifts and the groups hadn't arrived yet to pick the best ones. I walked into that room you see immediately at the top of the stairs and it was packed with girls, maybe as many as 100. But that was awhile back, not sure if if it's still the same. So basically, I'd consider midnight late, just based on what I saw. I'd expect the best to be grabbed by then. (and I could be wrong -- you're the one who lives there, I'm the tourist, so you probably have more up to date/thorough experience than me)
I'm in PP right now, maybe my 20th visit since 1998. No doubt, the girl scene has steadily declined since then. No cute Viets any more, only old timers. Martini (usually a reliable option) has been dead all week. Sharky has been crap for years. Hostess bars full of sad, unattractive women who desperately mob you when you come in; even if there is the odd cutie it will be difficult to get her near you, and then you will find she is the one who doesn't go. Le Cyrcee full of dross and now asking for $25! Shanghai has several young cuties, none of whom will go. Walkabout full of skanks as ever. Street 63 brothels : hang on to your wallet, if you can be bothered to look there.I've been here 4 nights now and come up dry. Don't really know where else to look. Of course, it's all a matter of taste, but if you want 18-20 year old cuties, don't come here!
[QUOTE=Yiddo]I'm in PP right now, maybe my 20th visit since 1998. No doubt, the girl scene has steadily declined since then...Of course, it's all a matter of taste, but if you want 18-20 year old cuties, don't come here![/QUOTE]Wow! I don’t know what to make of this. What a negative report. Is it objectively accurate or subjectively over stated? In my own experiences, I have been to some places (like Costa Rica) that were so great when I first travelled there 20 years ago that it really depresses me to go back now. Imagine being in Bangkok in the 70’s or Phuket before the hotels. This is the way of the modern world. Remember that old Police song “When the world is running down, you make the best of what’s still around.” My solution is to keep searching for new destinations farther and farther off the grid.
So I was not in Phnom Penh in ’98, or ’02, or ’05, so I can’t comment on what is was like back then. It must have been amazing. But I was in PP last March ’09 and I thought the scene was pretty good. I met some very attractive young Khmer girls in the hostess bars who showed a great time (check my posts). Can things have changed so drastically in 4 months? I do not know. All I know is that I had a great 4 nights back in March and I am planning to spend 12 nights when I return. If it’s no good, I will pay up, get on a plane, and go to Pattaya or AC.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]I met some very attractive young Khmer girls in the hostess bars who showed a great time (check my posts).[/QUOTE]Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.
I had some excellent fun in PP 2001 till 2004 and I also had the feeling it's getting downwards.
Since then I've never been back to PP.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Betong]Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.[/QUOTE]
Is the hostess bar scene still mostly confined to that smallish area up around St 104 these days?
That's a bummer that things have gone in that direction, because Im' in VN now where the main scene for foreigners is also hostess bars, and so it was nice to have a change of scenery in PP with the diff types of venues they had there where the most girls were available, such as Martini and others. Hostess bars get a bit boring if that's all you have. Also, total numbers smaller in each of those than in a place like Martini (before), so it means you have to go check out many more places to be able to view the same number of girls. Tedious. I much prefer going to just one place that has lots more girls all together at once.
The Blue Lagoon was closed down, about a week ago, for having nude dancing.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I much prefer going to just one place that has lots more girls all together at once.[/QUOTE]Amen to that.
It is a bit worrying to read these reports about PP. I visited last time about 4 months back and then the place already was dead. But on my budget Phnom Penh is still a nice change for a couple of days/nights so i'm going back in 3 weeks to stay for 2 nights.
Why are all the viets gone? Anybody know the reason?
I'm really no big friend of the hostess bars but i guess i have to check them out a little better than i did on previous trips, even if i always managed to find a freelancer that satisfied me. I think that people who fail to find a lady for the night drink too little. Already after 10 beer most ladies start to look appealing to me.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Is the hostess bar scene still mostly confined to that smallish area up around St 104 these days?[/QUOTE]No, they're all around now. Main areas include Streets 108, 118, 136, and 148, but others are popping up all over. I still like 104 best, just because it's a nice little street scene.
[QUOTE=Betong]Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.[/QUOTE]
Well it has been a year or two since I made it to Phnom Penh, but Martini's and Walkabout were still the best places, particularly if you care about service (by that I mean Viets). The hostess bars that I visited have all been very expensive, and seem to employ only Kmer girls, which don't interest me much due to poor service.
Given the trends I doubt I will return to Cambodia, unless I read something encouraging here.
Is hotel Paragon guest Friendly?
[QUOTE=Opebo]The hostess bars that I visited have all been very expensive, and seem to employ only Kmer girls, which don't interest me much due to poor service.
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What are the current prices at the hostess bars?
well gee, axe - is that like "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few!"?
side report - either the vitamins V, K and C just aren't working for me or the stuff from the pharmacies on ST 136 near the central market on the way to ST 51 is counterfeit of the INDIAN stuff.??? Try 1 pack before buying a batch of it.
The packets of gel K seem to work though - havent found source for apsalis gel there yet (available in Pattaya tho)
[QUOTE=Dinghy]side report - either the vitamins V, K and C just aren't working for me or the stuff from the pharmacies on ST 136 near the central market on the way to ST 51 is counterfeit of the INDIAN stuff.??? Try 1 pack before buying a batch of it.
The packets of gel K seem to work though - havent found source for apsalis gel there yet (available in Pattaya tho)[/QUOTE]For me it's been the other way around, the vitamin-pills have been working great but when i bought a box with K-Jelly it turned out to be fake. Whatever was inside was like orange juice in consistence and didn't taste as bitter as it should. Never got any effect from the 2 i tried so i had to throw them in the bin. Try before buy! I usually buy my pills a little bit down 51 from 136 but the Jelly i bought from a pharmacy in the corner of 51-136.
[QUOTE=Northern Axe]For me it's been the other way around, the vitamin-pills have been working great but when i bought a box with K-Jelly it turned out to be fake. Whatever was inside was like orange juice in consistence and didn't taste as bitter as it should. Never got any effect from the 2 i tried so i had to throw them in the bin. Try before buy! I usually buy my pills a little bit down 51 from 136 but the Jelly i bought from a pharmacy in the corner of 51-136.[/QUOTE]
Just a suggestion, you guys should probably post the exact name (and/or address) of the place you bought these fakes from since there's a bunch of these places on that stretch and there's no way for readers here to know which places to avoid, exactly.
It may be that none of them can be trusted, or it may be that both of you bought from the same one place that can't be trusted.
Actually, Axe did specify one of his places as ON the corner of 51 & 136, so that one is clear at least.
I suppose you could go back to the place with the opened jelly packet, point down to the result and ask for your money back. "Look, it's obviously not working." ;)
[QUOTE=Spain]Is hotel Paragon guest Friendly?[/QUOTE]Hola Spain.
Yes it is. Nice rooms, friendly owner and staff. The staff call you up after the guest leaves to make sure all is OK. Good place to stay and cheap too!
Adios Amigo!
[QUOTE=Jallabar 1207]Hey there, after browsing through the forum for a couple of weeks now I thought its time to pop my cherry.
I am doing a SEA trip in the end of this year and need a place to stay that has reliable broadband con. I assume staying in hostels won't do the job then right? Can you guys recommend any sources where I can find cheap condos in PP area?
Thanks,
Keep it up
Matt[/QUOTE]Ever thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]Ever thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.[/QUOTE]
You're right, it [b][i]is[/i][/b] as if they want to start their holiday before they get there. I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that. I always do it before heading off to Thailand or Cambodia. I guess if they were content to jsut show up and find out, a lot fewer people would be here discussing the places. So it's a good thing, imo. They can still show up and ask people they meet, and if they haven't been here they'll still get the culture shock.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. My only concern is when we get people who want to be spoon-fed every last little detail . . . what bar should I go to, what girl do I take, how much do I pay and what do I get for that. (I'm exaggerating but not much.) It's like those poor people wandering around with Lonely Planet surgically attached to their hand. It's a 'safe' holiday but not nearly as much fun as exploring and making your own discoveries.
I find the net invaluable before travelling and yes i do laugh at people who clutch their LP as their bible.
Before my first trip to PP I did my research and really enjoyed sophie,LCC,mikado etc etc.
I would not have known about them without the net,asking local khmers is a waste of time and asking local barang can be the same.
I meet so many people here who still dont know the best places to go.
Luckily beacause of ignorance there are still good places to go while the herd do the tired sharkey,WA and martini circuit.
As for cheap condos-how much is cheap?
There is a wide selection of apartments for rent from $250 upwards.
I have a mate who has serviced apartments on the riverside for $30 a night,much nicer than a hotel.
[QUOTE=Betong]Absolutely. My only concern is when we get people who want to be spoon-fed every last little detail . . . what bar should I go to, what girl do I take, how much do I pay and what do I get for that. (I'm exaggerating but not much.) It's like those poor people wandering around with Lonely Planet surgically attached to their hand. It's a 'safe' holiday but not nearly as much fun as exploring and making your own discoveries.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly what I'm talking about the 'spoon feeding of info' to total newbies and I don't think Cambodia is a place for first timers anyway. I never knew where any of the places were, but by after a few chats and chance meetings I ended up in cyrcee (spelling) heart of darkness. Can you imagine me being taken to a chicken farm for the first time, fantastic.
[QUOTE=Wendella]You're right, it [b][i]is[/i][/b] as if they want to start their holiday before they get there. I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that. I always do it before heading off to Thailand or Cambodia. I guess if they were content to jsut show up and find out, a lot fewer people would be here discussing the places. So it's a good thing, imo. They can still show up and ask people they meet, and if they haven't been here they'll still get the culture shock.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm not saying don't read the forum but just that as a total know nothing tourist to asia why not just get there and see for yourself then get on the net, I remember coming out of don muang for the first time straight into the humid noisy dark night didn't even have a hotel to go to and I'd never been as far as spain before.
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]Hey I'm not saying don't read the forum but just that as a total know nothing tourist to asia why not just get there and see for yourself then get on the net, I remember coming out of don muang for the first time straight into the humid noisy dark night didn't even have a hotel to go to and I'd never been as far as spain before.[/QUOTE]
Well, so did I, arrived at midnight at Don Muang, stayed a few days in BKK (ended up at some godforsaken hellhole of a hotel somewhere in the north of the city, my taxi driver's preferred spot I think) and then up to Chiang Mai. Totally missed out on Sukhumvit cuz I didn't know about it.
I suppose there's a happy medium to be found. And I guess different people like to do it different ways -- some like you, show up; others want to research before going. Takes all kinds.
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]I don't think Cambodia is a place for first timers anyway.[/QUOTE]I don't either, but at this point we're not going to convince them. Airfares are cheap and they're convinced that SE Asia's a kind of theme park.
But really my feeling is that fellow hobbyists can approach this place any way they want. I'm just thankful that when I first came here there was zero information on it, and the only guys I could find to ask about it were all carrying guns -- the UNTAC troops!
is that damned construction still closing the riverside area? Don't think I'll make it over anyway...
[QUOTE=SillyBastard]Hola Spain.
Yes it is. Nice rooms, friendly owner and staff. The staff call you up after the guest leaves to make sure all is OK. Good place to stay and cheap too!
Adios Amigo![/QUOTE]Gracias Amigo, yo estaré en Phnom Penh el 3 de agosto !!!!
Thank you!
Yes, I will be there too. I'm sure well meet up.
Take care.
Is Mikado open again?
Where is it located now? Any reports on price and quality of the ladies?
I'm just back from my periodic visit to PP. I had good experience at the fishbowl at Luxury World Hotel at the corner between Monovong and Street 200. At the first floor a big fishbowl with Kmher Vitnamist and Chinese girls with differetn colored clothes. I went the first time just after lunch 1.30pm and I found a lot of girls (maybe more than 50.) some very cute. I choose number 21 and I spent one wondeful hour with her. Htey charge 5$ for the room or 8$ for room with little sauna. I advise to choose that one for more privacy.(every room has little windosw on the door.(why? I don't know.) and the one with sauna are little bit more big and the bed is not just in front of the door.). The girls asked 40" and we closed for 25$. Obviously the massage was not really good but she was really GFE. She became soon wet and really enjoed at all. I came back the last days of my trip and I choosed again her. I spent one hour with her without massage and was a great experience.
[QUOTE=Dreams1973] At the first floor a big fishbowl with Kmher Vitnamist and Chinese girls with differetn colored clothes. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, what's a Vitnamist? Do you mean VIETNAMESE? Not being critical, I actually first thought you meant some kind of Khmer that I had never heard of. Now that I look at it again today, I think you must have meant "Khmer, Vietnamese and Chinese."
[QUOTE=Wendella]Sorry, what's a Vitnamist? Do you mean VIETNAMESE? Not being critical, I actually first thought you meant some kind of Khmer that I had never heard of. Now that I look at it again today, I think you must have meant "Khmer, Vietnamese and Chinese."[/QUOTE]Sorry for my mistakes.
Yes I meant: Khmer Vietnamese and Chinese
Poor northern axe you dont know?
Mikado same as before,you dont know?
Perhaps you work for an NGO?
besides, axe - you haven't BEEN there? Ever hear of the telephone book???
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Poor northern axe you dont know?
Mikado same as before,you dont know?
Perhaps you work for an NGO?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dinghy]besides, axe - you haven't BEEN there? Ever hear of the telephone book???[/QUOTE]The PNH telephone book isn't so easy to find here in BKK.
And no, i haven't been there since it re-opened.
Do we have a new forum rule that i have missed, about not asking questions?
I have been to PNH only four times before. So i don't know everything about the place as you grumpy old men do. After 20-40 year when i am your age i probably know a thing or two as well.
Arriving next week for my fifth visit so i get to check it out for myself.
Peace.
Yeah OK I am grumpy sometimes and I'm sorry.
But I am aware that NGO type people read these sites.
Just got back from saigon or HCM as the khmers call it.
Women OK but my khmer GF the most beautiful, she is too fat for me now but she certainly gets the looks from the viets and the barang.
Khmers are very beautiful, no doubt about it.
Saw a few working girls around pham noo lou, some on motos some on foot, A couple of cuties.
Went to the all blacks yarpies game with a young kiwi chap, he kept reminding me of how beautiful my GF was. Then he showed me a pic of his indonesian/greek GF who he met in abhu dahbie who was a from a rich family and didn't have to work. Wow lovely.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]But I am aware that NGO type people read these sites.
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Yeah that did seem a bit quick on the draw -- wasn't understanding why anyone was presuming this pretty standard question was from an NGO.
Oh well, no biggie.
This is my first post but I'm not a completely newbie in PP nightlife as I lived there for around three years. Times where different and there was not a girlie bar scene. VN girls where present everywhere and a lot less hardcore than most of the ones you can meet now, some of them relics from K11 time (an example? Bong).
Now on a visa run I've one night only to explore e little bit the new scene.
Thought to stay at one of following guest-houses: DV8, Rose, Candy or Nay Nay.
Which do you recommend considering these parameters (in importance order): cleanliness, look and attitude of the girls downstairs and price? Once I read somewhere that DV8 had VN girls whom I prefer as they deliver something difficult to get from Khmer ones.
Not so much time, so what are the musts and the don't?
[QUOTE=Channy]I'm sorry but I think you never been in toul kok. I do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place
But for toul kok I totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. In all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. And in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. The girls here work only for feeding their family. Most of the girls are really kind. But since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly
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Help needed.
Can someone provide me with details where Toul Kok is located?--PM me if you must in case you think NGO are tapping in.
I was in PP last year and went searching for this place and even told a mototaxi to take me but he took me to I think it was Boeung Kak Lake area -just west of Wat Phnom /old stadium and didn't see any brothels at all. No joke, I could almost sense places were near but either they were closed during the day (about 2-3pm) or I was dumped at the wrong st. Walked around for a little while after the moto left and saw nothing but local life. No one hanging out to urge me in side any houses and everyone could tell I was there for only one reason.
I also search my tourist maps and didn't find area called Toul K. either.
Can someone provide me with what street this place is located along with some cross streets for reference, so I'll have a better chance of directing the mototaxi next time I'm there in about a months time.
And in addition to the street/cross street location, also clue me in as to best way to direct mototaxi to get me there, or at least somewhere close so I could get rid of him and his moto commission.
Need to avoid the disappointment of last year.
Thanks
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Help needed.
Can someone provide me with details where Toul Kok is located?[/QUOTE]
It's been years since I was there, so no idea what state it's in now. I didn't take part there. But if you head up to the French embassy, which is on the northeast corner of that same lake, take the road left there (west) and keep heading out, you'll run into that area and it will all be very obvious. Unless things have changed dramatically since I was there, at least. There's one alley street on the north side of that street where there's lots of buildings that serve as brothels. When I was there, it was mostly shacks all on the main road. None of it looked very enticing, I must warn you.
The road I talk about, after the French embassy, is the one main road running straight along the north side of the lake. Sorry I forget the name of the road.
Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.[/QUOTE]
West? Maybe the maps they give out in PP aren't correctly oriented toward North -- but if you look at the map (Canby) and find the lake, it's up on top of the lake. I don't know for sure that's north. The area with the girls is on that road that runs along the top of the lake, as seen on the map.
Ok. looking at map now. Street 70. There's no way the area we're talking about with the girls is WEST of the lake.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.[/QUOTE]Toul kork is just a place where you get a BJ. $5 when i went, i dont know how much it is now.
[QUOTE=Wendella]West? Maybe the maps they give out in PP aren't correctly oriented toward North -- [/QUOTE]
Correct. The handout maps place the River in what looks like East to West at the bottom. In fact the river runs North South. Following this through, Roguesta's ascertion that Street 70 is west of the lake is correct. That said who actually has a map of Phnom Penh which doesn't make it look as if it's "west".
I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.[/QUOTE]
Get yourself dropped off at the French embassy. Walk around the corner onto Street 70 and keep walking straight along there for a couple hundred meters or so -- if they are still there, they'll be really obvious as you pass them. The wide alley street I refer to will be on your right side. It goes downhill a bit from the main road, which is built higher than everything around it.
If you look at this Canby Publications map, I think it's the most common one, basically same as any tourist map I've seen there, you can see street 70 there running along the top side of the lake.
[url]http://www.canbypublications.com/maps/ppmaphhr.htm[/url]
It's a LONG time since I was there. Not sure what state it's in at this point. And actually it may be further along St 70 where it changes to St 273. But following my directions, if it's still there, you should find it. Brace yourself. This place was ROUGH.
[QUOTE=Matt Navan Man]Correct. The handout maps place the River in what looks like East to West at the bottom. In fact the river runs North South. Following this through, Roguesta's ascertion that Street 70 is west of the lake is correct. That said who actually has a map of Phnom Penh which doesn't make it look as if it's "west".[/QUOTE]
The map you're talking about is a different map than what I was referring to -- I saw one like that, which was called a "3-d map". The orientation for that one is very different. I suppose on THAT map St 70 would appear to be located EAST of the lake. ;)
This must be really confusing for someone reading here who isn't familiar with the layout of PP.
[quote=roguesta]i live in phnom penh. i'm not sure where the girls are in tuol kork, i only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. this covers the entire western side of boeung kak. like i said, i'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.[/quote]
i dont mean to be mean but you must be blind, or not very experienced at picking out local brothels.
there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.
ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.
[quote=shadow6491]i dont mean to be mean but you must be blind, or not very experienced at picking out local brothels.
there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.
ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.[/quote]fully correct, but tuol kok is more quiet now, many brothels don't opened their doors before 4/5 pm, i don t said there is nothing sooner, but it's more discreet, looking for girls sitting in plastic chairs is a good advice, like shadow6491 said, you will need mainly to open your eyes to see the tuol kok biz now.
i just want to warned people who are in need of exotism and want to ventured in tuol kok, tuol kok is a long time brothels also called"rue des petites fleurs" and was mainly for local, barang prefered svay pak, that offered more confort and large amount of viet girls, tuol kok was always cheaper than svay pak (until 2006, it was easy for a barang to bonk for as low as 2 dollars with a cute khmer)
1) girls quality is very low, gems are extremely rare now.
2)it s wodden shack brothels, no hygien at all, bathroom are primitive (bowl of water), also non air con. so don t expect a farangland like beach road or thai style.
3)try to avoid tuol kok at night if you re beginner, keep it mind that brothels tend to closed around 11pm (khmer guys bonked sooner than us)it s less dangerous than before but things can turned bad very quickly.
4)avoid motodop, excepted if you want to paid 10/20 dollars your st
5) be really carefull with the car traffic, it's like an highway there.
otherwise: boom boom, massage 5 dollars, tuol kok is mostly khmer, few viet available (but available mainly near the right curve), so don't go there if you like only viet, you will be disapointed.
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[QUOTE=Sharka]Help needed.
I could almost sense places were near but either they were closed during the day (about 2-3pm) or I was dumped at the wrong st. Walked around for a little while after the moto left and saw nothing but local life. No one hanging out to urge me in side any houses and everyone could tell I was there for only one reason.
I also search my tourist maps and didn't find area called Toul K. either.
Shark[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I think I now realize my mistake, Perhaps I was dropped off at the right location but didn't realize it at 1st as I was VERY suspicious when motodope drove off immediately without hanging around to see if I went into any brothels so he could collect commission. As I said, saw the local life and yes by local= I means very rough or rundown area. When he drove off quickly and left me standing in a shanty street alone, I felt I was being set up for something, so I was on alert and didn't feel like looking into any doorways.
I was so use to the St 63 scene with pimps and touts yelling at me "hey, handsome man, want ladies"--ok, I'm not a handsome man but feels good anyway as it inflate my ego abit-ha ha. So when I was in TK area and no one urged me in I automatically assume they were not brothels as I also didn't bother to look into some of the houses(which couldv'e been brothel but didn't realize it). I just kept walking until I got to a main st and was tired and still saw no pimps hanging outside any houses so I flagged down moto and left.
Shark
[quote=shadow6491].
there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.
ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.[/quote]
hi shadow,
didn't realize the the riverside street was also consider tk district. i often thought it was abit pass the b.k lake that was consider tk territory,but nice to know.
so according to your post, by riverside rd you mean= sisowath quay right? i kinda remember sitting on a mototaxi from st 136 and going up siso.quay toward the jap bridge and only remember the street were mainly commerical/ manufacture/ maintenance shop area. so about where along the river will i start seeing these houses.(between which streets)
also, can you advise me within a small area of tk as i don't really want to walk around too much, where are the greatest concentration of houses with gals if i needed to make a quickey daily visit for "relief" when i'm there.
like i said before, if afraid ngo tuning in, pm me if you want.
thanks again
shark
[QUOTE=Iching]Toul kork is just a place where you get a BJ. $5 when i went, i dont know how much it is now.[/QUOTE]
Can someone confirm this?
I thought TK was a FS area for $5 and not just BJ only. And I think someone did mention it was still $5?-even less if you were a native.
[QUOTE=Sharka]Help needed.
Need to avoid the disappointment of last year.
Thanks
Shark[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear about your disappointment as you never mention that to me. So, have to add not finding TK along with having your money "magically disappearing" from St 63 to your list eh.
Just teasing you mate.
Yeah, I met Sharka once and had a few beers with him. Very Nice guy. honest and all -perhaps too honest to be a true monger like the rest of us, like I told him last time he should be glad he didn't do this for a living-ha ha.
He was a victim of St 63 "magic" disappearing pant/wallet act. Although we can't truly blame him since he was never informed of the scam and was not a member of ISG at the time. He's still learning the game so go easy on him.
Yes, Wendella and Shadow are correct. TK houses are near the French Embassy, Hmm-which is why there is almost nobody in the embassy during the day. I haven't been to that area in a while so can't comment if all the houses are alive and well or if area have been downsizing like the rest of the PP brothel scene--thanks to NGO.
Haven't been there in over 2 years- so my info could be outdated but it was FS at that time and not just BJ only and yes, price should be $5 only for either FS or BJ or both.
Best to visit this place ONLY during the day, try not to go after sunset when the vampires and demons come out. It is not a safe neighborhood. OK by day but not at nite.---IMO
PT
Speaking of getting to TK.
If I started at St 136 hostess bar area and used mototaxi to TK area by the French embassy, never had a problem just giving them 2000r during the day before but this was last year. Can I still get there with 2000r or have the fare gone up in PP. Do they all demand $1 (4000r) now?
Shark
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]OK you ask what should I be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.[/QUOTE]
Good advise, but better to be careful though.
I once did just that, looked into a open house door and saw 3 cuties sitting on plastic chairs looking bored. I went over to the man inside and took out $5 and pointed to one of the ladies sitting. He started shouting at me in Cambo (didn't understand him fully but did hear what I thought to be "daughter) he picked up a broom and chased me out. I didn't stay to see what he wanted to with the broom--ha ha
PT
[QUOTE=Roguesta]I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.[/QUOTE]
I think you are in the wrong side of TK. I don't live in PP so don't really know what are the boundaries of the TK area. From what you posted, 272-592 st',
this area is way off in the west. I once quickly rode thru here as it didnt seem like a safe place so didnt linger too long to investigate area. Didnt see much there of interest. I think the houses of interest are further east and not the western side of the lake. Again, I could be wrong as I have not truly spent time wandering around the TK areas west of Boeung kak.
PT
[QUOTE=Wendella] There's one alley street on the north side of that street where there's lots of buildings that serve as brothels.
When I was there, it was mostly shacks all on the main road. None of it looked very enticing, I must warn you.
.[/QUOTE]
Hey Wendella,
I must have drove quickly past that alley street and didn't even see it. About how far was this alley from the French embassy?
What Wendella describe about shacks with tin roofs etc is correct. Real run down places where you expect the roof to cave in while you're inside. But for veterans of Snooky chickenfarms or KK farms it's very similar scene . Definitely no frills and no hygiene, not for everyone but I always enjoy the challenge and the atmosphere (or lack of it).
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Hey Wendella,
I must have drove quickly past that alley street and didn't even see it. About how far was this alley from the French embassy?
What Wendella describe about shacks with tin roofs etc is correct. Real run down places where you expect the roof to cave in while you're inside. But for veterans of Snooky chickenfarms or KK farms it's very similar scene . Definitely no frills and no hygiene, not for everyone but I always enjoy the challenge and the atmosphere (or lack of it).[/QUOTE]
Wow, you went inside. A braver man than I.
As for the side street, hard to remember -- it seemed to be somewhere in the middle of the stretch. Cement houses down there, on both sides of the lane, not shacks. Shacks line the main road. You're probably better off PM'ing some of the guys who are physically in PP now, who will know current status better, and know specifics that I'm sorry I'm just vague on -- it was about 3-4 yrs ago I last looked there, and I remember thinking 'OK, no need to ever come back here again'. The silence here makes me wonder if the boys here in PP aren't keen on talking about it publicly.
The alley way that you are reffering to I think is the other end of the Back Packer area road. ie if you went right rather than left at the mosqe. This continues out onto the road which is the TK main road 70,273 (changes name at the railway line).
Hi Shadow,
Didn't realize the the riverside street was also consider TK district. I often thought it was abit pass the B.K lake that was consider TK territory,but nice to know.
So according to your post, by riverside rd you mean= Sisowath Quay right? I kinda remember sitting on a mototaxi from St 136 and going up Siso.Quay toward the Jap bridge and only remember the street were mainly commerical/ manufacture/ maintenance shop area. So about where along the river will I start seeing these houses.(between which streets)
Also, can you advise me within a small area of TK as I don't really want to walk around too much, where are the greatest concentration of houses with gals if I needed to make a quickey daily visit for "relief" when I'm there.
You are correct the riverside road is Sisowath Quay and its not really TK but only one block from it so what the hell. And yes it is as you describe commercial/manufacture/ manufacture shop area. If you travel from Wat Phnom area towards the Jap bridge you will see them. there is about one every block in this area about 5 blocks.
There is not a great concentration of houses in TK again they are spread out along both sides of the road mainly the right hand side heading towards the radio tower. Good luck
PS they are open from about 10am until about 10pm but dont go at night on your own or on a small bike if you have one, you may loose it.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Wow, you went inside. A braver man than I.
. The silence here makes me wonder if the boys here in PP aren't keen on talking about it publicly.[/QUOTE]
Oh did I forget to mention to stray yourself with DEET before entering the shacks as I had fond memories of big ass mosquitos in some of them. And its a pain in the ass--I mean itch in the ass when you are unprepared.
I think you could be right about why some locals maybe silent on TK . As Sharka may have suggested, NGO could be lurking even on our blessed ISG site.
Remember thats what happened to K11.
PT
[QUOTE=Sharka]Speaking of getting to TK.
If I started at St 136 hostess bar area and used mototaxi to TK area by the French embassy, never had a problem just giving them 2000r during the day before but this was last year. Can I still get there with 2000r or have the fare gone up in PP. Do they all demand $1 (4000r) now?
Shark[/QUOTE]
Hmm, not sure about this one as the last time I was in PP I had rented a motobike to bum around in . Perhaps someone currently living there for awhile (as they have the most experience with actual local prices and not tourist rip-off prices) can answer this one.
PT
[quote=channy]otherwise: boom boom, massage 5 dollars, tuol kok is mostly khmer, few viet available (but available mainly near the right curve
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btw, thanks for the update channy,
but :what/ where is the right curve?
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4)avoid motodop, excepted if you want to paid 10/20 dollars your st
this maybe a bit harder to do without your own motobike rental as the houses are widely rep001tered and may not be walkable distances from one end to the other end as this is a fairly busy "highway/rd" also.
pt
Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.
Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]You are correct the riverside road is Sisowath Quay and its not really TK but only one block from it so what the hell.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, Toul Kork district runs only as far east as Boeung Kak (the big lake . . . er, former lake). So the 'one block' you're talking about is more like a kilometer or so. The E-W street is St. 273.
[QUOTE=Betong]Just to be clear, Toul Kork district runs only as far east as Boeung Kak (the big lake . . . er, former lake). So the 'one block' you're talking about is more like a kilometer or so. The E-W street is St. 273.[/QUOTE]
I honestly can't remember if that side lane is off of St 70 or St 273. It's near where they meet. If you look at the map you can see that St 70 turns into St 273. If the official border of the neighborhood of Tuol Kok ends before street 70, but the places they're after (the brothels) are commonly known as "Tuol Kok" and they happen to be on St. 70 and therefore actually outside the neighborhood of that name, well, these guys aren't interested in ending up in the neighborhood officially known as Tuok Kok if it isn't where the girls are. All this confusion seems to be that the NEIGHBORHOOD is mainly west of the lake, the majority of it, but this place with the girls known by that same name isn't west, but north of it. Remember, the original request was to find the girls. It's not helpful to keep directing people to head toward the neighborhood if that's not where the girls are.
"Former lake"? No more water now?
[QUOTE=Wendella]Remember, the original request was to find the girls. It's not helpful to keep directing people to head toward the neighborhood if that's not where the girls are.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. It's just that 'Toul Kok' seems to have become the catch-all term for any brothel area in the north or west of PP. Often, for example, it's used to refer to the brothels around Stung Meanchey Bridge (which are apparently back in operation), way down on the far SW side of town. So when somebody ask 'Is Sisowath Quay in Toul Kok', the answer is, no, not even close, though yes, there are some brothels up off the northern stretch of it. I would call that area Russey Keo, but then I'm not a brothel guy so I don't know if anyone else does.
[QUOTE]"Former lake"? No more water now?[/QUOTE]Not much. They're draining it to put up some big office buildings. We should have known it was too nice to last.
[QUOTE=Betong]
Not much. They're draining it to put up some big office buildings. We should have known it was too nice to last.[/QUOTE]
Nice? I wouldn't go that far.
Guess when it's done they'll need a new name for the new neighborhood there. Something like... Tuol Kok. ;)
Anybody who says some place down in the SW is Tuol Kok is just hopelessly confused. That area w girls in shacks etc on St 70/St 273 was referred to a lot as Tuol Kok/Kork since I started looking at this site (and others) way back in about 2000. Maybe those guys way back then were wrong and the name just stuck. Doesn't matter much either way.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Nice? I wouldn't go that far.[/QUOTE]Well it was a big open space in the middle of an increasingly crowded city. And there were worse ways to spend an afternoon than out on a deck overlooking the lotuses, smoking a homemade cigarette. I'll miss it.
As long as I'm whingeing, the latest idiocy is the ban on seating in front of the bars and restaurants along Sisowath. So of course now the sidewalks are just filled with double- and triple-parked RCAF SUVs. Remember when the riverfront was actually pleasant?
It's things like these, along with the decline in simple slam-bam-thank-you-ma'am venues, that for me make PP rather less appealing than it was ten or even five years ago. But I still love the bars and the restaurants and whole expat scene, which I still find to be the friendliest in SE Asia. And there are some superb women available for anyone willing to put in a bit of time and money. So I guess I can still put up with the irritations.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.
Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.
Cheers[/QUOTE]What happens here is a tourist gets his money stolen, he complains to the police, so the police then go and shut the place down for a week. Then after the street opens the whole thing starts again.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.
Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Good riddance. Foul places, hope they remain closed forever.
[QUOTE=Betong]smoking a homemade cigarette. I'll miss it.[/QUOTE]It all begins to make sense. ;)
[QUOTE=Betong]Remember when the riverfront was actually pleasant?[/QUOTE]Let me guess. Same as above? ;) OK just teasing. Sure, that sounds nasty, the riverfront being turned into an SUV parking lot. Businesses must be thrilled. Care to venture any explanation for this one? I'd expect it to be a completely screwy one, of course, knowing how things work in that country, but still would be curious to hear what the real story is.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.
Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Well, if the above numbers are correct, then the raid only took out perhaps 1 street full of brothels (1 block) as St 63 houses extend much further down (I'd day at least 5-6 blocks from what I remember) so only closed a small portion of this section.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Well, if the above numbers are correct, then the raid only took out perhaps 1 street full of brothels (1 block) as St 63 houses extend much further down (I'd day at least 5-6 blocks from what I remember) so only closed a small portion of this section.[/QUOTE]
Drats. Maybe next time.
In 1 month the police raided 3 bars and closed them.
1. Blue Lagoon, str 108. Closed coz of nudity dancing. Khmer owned.
2. Irish Bar, str 136, Closed coz of the owner pressed the girls to go away with customers. Korean owned.
3. Cheerleaders, side street of str 136, opposite Irish. Closed Wednesday. Reason unknow. Western owned.
Maybe the police is getting short of money.
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]Ever thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.[/QUOTE]Well no, not really. I would like to have things organized and know where I am at. The reason why I asked for places with reliable broadband connection is that my income comes from an online business that I need to maintain.
I was hoping some of you locals could briefly comment on:
1) How fast the connection is? (4mb,8mb?)
2) Reliability?(any powercuts?)
3) How are the procedures of renting condos/apartments in PP?(scamfree?)
Thanks again
matt
[QUOTE=Wendella]Good riddance. Foul places, hope they remain closed forever.[/QUOTE]63 st brothels closed forever? Don t dream, this place has always faced little or major crackdown in the last 15 years, but she s still alive. It s just a money question before the houses came back in action.
Brothels in 63 st have always guest thieves, don t have short memory, ever 5/10 years ago just hanfull places was recommanded for barang.
[QUOTE=Channy]63 st brothels closed forever? Don t dream, this place has always faced little or major crackdown in the last 15 years, but she s still alive. It s just a money question before the houses came back in action.
Brothels in 63 st have always guest thieves, don t have short memory, ever 5/10 years ago just hanfull places was recommanded for barang.[/QUOTE]Channy,
Never say forever as long as newbie are bring here by moto driver on comisson and there are money to be make they will be in business but not in the open.
Fast eddie 48
I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.
I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?
Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia?
Planning on a visit coming weekend. Wondering if Walkbout is still functioning in view of the raids mentioned.
Any info and suggestions welcome.
[QUOTE=Water Boy]I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.
I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?
Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia? [/QUOTE]Water boy
I don't think Cambodia is not much poorer country than Vietnam, both are third world country after the war, I think there are also more girl avalible in vietnam and less crack down in cambo but that is changing goverment is starting to crack down as this country is growing not a wild west country like 10 yr ago.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Water Boy]I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.
[/QUOTE]
i thought viet girls were in short supply. Can anyone shed some news?
[QUOTE=Water Boy]I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.
I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?
Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia?[/QUOTE]Its easy for Viet girls to do Business in Cambo and the police have stricter laws concerning the hobby in vietnam.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]i thought viet girls were in short supply. Can anyone shed some news?[/QUOTE]The rumour i heard is that the Cambodian government have restricted the amount of vietnamse woman they let into the country after K11.
It would be interesting if any mongers know the story here.
I was last in Cambodia well over a year ago, but even at that time the availability of Vietnamese girls was far less than back in the good old days like 2000-2003. Recently one sees many venues staffed mostly or entirely with Cambodia girls, who just don't do much for me.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]...I don't think Cambodia is not much poorer country than Vietnam...[/QUOTE] GDP per capita is 55% higher in Vietnam than Cambodia
[QUOTE=Iching]The rumour i heard is that the Cambodian government have restricted the amount of vietnamse woman they let into the country after K11.[/QUOTE]Pretty unlikely. These days it mainly seems like pure economics: they can do as well or better in Vietnam.
Keep in mind that a lot of the Vietnamese girls we used to play with in Cambodia had been there for most of their lives, coming with their parents back when VN was basically running the country in the '80s. They're getting out of the trade and they're not being replaced.
[QUOTE=Mature Man]Planning on a visit coming weekend. Wondering if Walkbout is still functioning in view of the raids mentioned.
Any info and suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]Still going as usual, IMO girls are nothing to write home about though.
In fact PP is becoming more like Thailand in attitude by the girls, like LT is disappearing at 4:00am, phone calls during the night, poor performances despite yum yum boom boom and 10:00am departure and 3 shots agreed etc. This is unlike a few years back where these things hardly ever happened. Can't even be bothered to take anymore girls out, cheap yes, and it seems you get what you pay for. Plus the so-called hostie bars is another one to watch out for as at many you cannot take the girl out.
I believe after coming here for 18 years that the quality of the girls is not what it used to be. It also is very quite around the mongers areas, Martinis was dead on the 2 nights I went there, girls were very average 4-6 in my book and not so healthy looking.
Shinoukville pretty much the same, on the Victory Hill bar area there were maybe 10 punters for about 100 pretty average looking girls, ie plumply young mother's etc. Better to go to the beach and get high on space pizza's and girls $5 ST, that way6 you're think that they all were good looking!!!.
Anyway back to Bangkok and to get Tagged!
[QUOTE=Thai Ydiver]I believe after coming here for 18 years that the quality of the girls is not what it used to be.[/QUOTE]But it's still better than it was 18 years ago! In my experience the quality peaked around the late 1990s, in the year or two after the coup. It was still OK five years ago, but seems to have gone downhill pretty quickly since then. However it's a better place to find a girlfriend (or two) than it used to be, so all is not lost!
[QUOTE=Betong]But it's still better than it was 18 years ago! In my experience the quality peaked around the late 1990s, in the year or two after the coup. It was still OK five years ago, but seems to have gone downhill pretty quickly since then. However it's a better place to find a girlfriend (or two) than it used to be, so all is not lost![/QUOTE]I still like Cambodia there`s lots more bars that have opened in PP and still a lot cheaper than Thailand. I LOVE PHNOM PENH.