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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kris
[i]...I think it is just a question of how well you can pick them.
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You've GOT to be kidding! Unless your "pick them" process involves isolating them for 3 months before checking their blood and pussy for a variety of STDs, you are praticing very risky behavior. To think otherwise is moronic.
someone thai made condoms are not very reliable.and
failure rate is much higher ..so he told me to buy condoms inmy country and take them to Thailand.
is this true?
The statistic I've seen repeated in various places is that Thai condoms have an 11% failure rate, but I've been unable to track down the original source, so it's hard to tell whether that's an accurate number or if someone just threw that percentage out and everyone keeps repeating it.
But given that I keep hearing the same thing over and over about Thai condoms from a variety of places, I just play it safe and make sure I've got a good supply from home, where I know from experience what I'm getting. Why risk it?
Where can I buy viagra in Bangkok, and how much do they cost ? Is it true you can buy them on the streets, laced with illegal narcotics ? (I wanna stay well away from that sort of rubbish !)
You can buy them at most pharmacies, and they run about 500 baht each. You can get better prices by buying more.
Thanks ! Is there any trouble getting viagra through customs ? (I'm not talking about large quantities, obviously, just a few.)
Dufus, LOL, how true. Probably sporting a profusion of welts, whiteheads, rope burns and assorted skin rashes from the heat...
Since this is the Safe Sex section, I gotta tell ya, any strategy in a 3rd-world or even second-world country (like Thailand) HAS to include thinking about who your sweet little partner just bonked...
anyone for a tuktuk driver's sloppy seconds?
That's why I will always stay high-end (Poseidon, etc.).
Re VIAGRA - - I got what I think was a bad batch of viagra from a sukm. Rd. pharmacy near Nana Entertainment Plaza.
It made my eyes red and sting a bit, and did not have much effect otherwise (although my evening takeout took care of that!)
FIND AN EXPAT WHO KNOWS WHERE TO GO. Phoney drugs are big business in SE Asia.
As for getting them back to your country - why try? You may get hassled at the gate and wind up spending 6 hours in the holding tank at Don Muang Airport while your plane leaves w/o you.
I had the (probably) typical experience of running out of my meager supply of American brand condoms way too soon. I decided to try the local pharmacist who said this Japanese brand sells best. I tried them (forgot name) and realized for two nights that my wood would go limp about two or three minutes after I put the condom on. First, I thought it was the girl of course! But it happened with two girls in a row, and one girl three times as soon as I started the deed! This sure made me sympathize with impotance sufferers! But fortunately for me the problem was the condoms. I shopped around and found the Thai durex brand comes in three thickness, including a "featherlite" variety in the gold box. These had very much the feel of the condoms I brought, and in retrospect, the Japenese brand were like steel casings.
Also, I mean to try Viagra on my next trip to LOS since I was absolutely maxed out on two girls. Although I can get wood more than twice per day, I find it nearly impossible to finish...so what exactly does Viagra do for the average bloke. Does it just help you get wood or pop off as well?
Tony
re your snake, ha ha!
Viagra justs get you up quick and VERY hard! It does not help you "pop off" just encourages you to try!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freeler
[i]Joe,
If it was the clap, make sure to get another test in 4-6 months or so. but I guess the doctor told you...
No I never had it, but similar symptoms can show up in fungal infections, eg the wounds on the skin that won't heel... My doctor was very nervous about it and had me re-checked -bloodtest- after half a year. [/i][/QUOTE]
Yup, absolutely good advice. I've every intention of getting a full workup once I get home in any event. The doctor here said what he found was non-specific -- some kind of infection, nothing raising a particular flag, so he prescribed doxy which banged the symptoms away pretty quickly. I'm well aware that STDs can hide in your system for a long time before they come back out, and I'll be having a complete bloodwork done when I get home.
As far as the fungal, again, yes, I know there are some nasties here, and originally I wasn't sure whether it was a dose or something from some street food that wasn't quite cooked properly. Since I'm not a resident I know there are all kinds of bacteria, both goodand bad, other folks here have in their system that I lack.
I think your advice holds for travel in general -- any time you get sick overseas, STD or not, it's not a bad idea for follow up after a few months.
do thai girls have health cards like they do in Mexico? Where can i find these girls in Thailand? I dont mind paying a little more.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinless
[i]http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/syphilis.html
I post this as it says oral sex can give it to you. When I got my own souvenir, I did some extensive research. Syphiliis is rampant in SE Asia and chlamydia comes with the TG package.
Talks of them getting tested etc is bs. They are uneducated and unlike Mexico, there is nothing like a feminist network to insist on condoms etc. They most likely regard STDs as part of the job. I would imagine the ladies doing 10 BJs a day are not too picky, something like guys washing cars. Also, Joe, you were drinking a lot so your mind was probably not at 100%.
Please inform us where you think you got it. That is more important to me than a blow by bj account in some sordid bj bar or other.
Please everyone remember that the ladies we bonk are societal rejects with little medical experience. The doctors they go to are most likely under paid quacks or greedy guys who, faced with their STDs every day of the week, will tell them to "breathe out on the way up", have a wash now and again and don't take it too much in the butt. And who are told not to fuck around if the sores and puss are too obvious.
Joe I salute you for admititng you stoped a bullet. Please tell us where, when and how. Save the sex as we can do that ourselves if we have money. [/i][/QUOTE]
Well, I wish I could blame it on drinking, or the combo of that and jet lag, but it was actually from engaging in moderately risky behavior -- i.e. unprotected mutual oral. Yes, I know it's not completely safe, and Freeler's comments regarding the way to go are something I mostly agree with (except that using condoms with N-11 has actually been shown to increase the risk for women, especially sex workers, as it irritates membranes -- there appears to be a very minimal difference between safety with or without it as long as condoms are used) but to me at some point you also make choices about the degree of risk you take versus the degree of enjoyment you desire. If I was smart and safe, I'd not be boinking at all, of course, and certainly would not do anal, even protected, etc. But I do a visual check for sores or irritation both around mouth and genitals, and refrain if I'm the least bit concerned, and I use condoms and lube for all penetration.
My best guess, Skinless, is that I contracted my dose from the worker from the Kangaroo Bar who I took for the night, as the odds are higher there as I both gave and received unprotected oral. I know you can get it only from bbbj, but the odds on that are lower, so I'd bet it was on me giving rather than receiving. For what it's worth, I plan on looking up this TG when I go back and offering to get her checked out, but we all know the likelihood that will make any difference is minimal. Still, it's what I'd do at home, so I'll do it here as well.
And to finish on the follow-up -- I saw an excellent foreign-educated doctor who spoke fluent English at Chiang Mai's Ram Hospital. My symptoms are completely gone, but I'm naturally finishing all the given medicine, going to do a follow-up with him, and will do another at home. While I'm willing to entertain a degree of risk, I'm also committed to cleaning up any mess I make.
(And I may or may not save the sex for other threads :-) though right now I'm saving a bit as I've got a gem.)
I'll put 100-1 on you giving.
guys,
i hope you all will accept this in the spirit in which it is intended, which is to be helpful.
i have been following this std discussion, and i applaud joe_zop and skinless for their honest and forthright discussion of their own experiences with stds contracted in thailand. it is not an easy subject for many, but should be handled without judgment. we are talking about germs here, and there should be no stigma in facing the problem.
that said, i have to point out the vast array of misinformation that has been posted so far. i won't point fingers, or quote posts, and i mean no disrespect to those who are misinformed, but some light has to be shed here.
good washing is effective in preventing many diseases, and can not hurt, though i disagree with placing anything inside your urethra which would cause irritation (soap). irritated tissue is an open door to bacteria, and viruses. and just how well can you wash your dick in the nasty hongnam at star of light? by the time you get back to your hotel shower, it won't help much. taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] right after intercourse may wash some bacteria out, and prevent infection some of the time. if your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] gets too frisky, and leaves toothmarks and abrasions, you are more susceptible to infection until it is healed.
condoms are the best we've got for prevention, and each of us has to decide when and where we will use them, based on how much risk we can tolerate.
let this be a starting point, not the definitive list of stds and their effects. there is a wealth of info on the net, and anyone who has multiple sex partners, condoms or not, should take the time to become informed.
i will resist the temptation to write about the medical details of each, but here is a good link which is easy to understand:
http://www.unspeakable.com/facts/facts.jsp
take the time to read it, and decide for yourself the level of risk you are prepared to take in your travels. it is a conservative page, and will advocate 100% condom use, but it has accurate info. i have my own line in the sand, and you should be prepared to draw yours.
important: as a number of people have pointed out, especially in thailand, there is no reason to fear going to a doctor, if you have any doubts about your health. go, and go back until you are sure you are ok. medical training is quite good in thailand, and if you are in bkk or chiang mai, you have a bunch of choices where english is spoken. doctors here are not judgmental, and will treat you cheerfully, and pleasantly. even though it is by far the most expensive in thailand, bumrungrad is absolutely cheap by western standards, and is world-class, with pampered service almost unknown in hmo-land.
pay attention to the idea that there is a period during which you may be infected, but have no symptoms. during that time, tests may be negative, and you may infect others. if the little head gets the best of the big one, and you do something you know is unsafe, follow up multiple times.
one last recommendation: there are specific vaccines available for hepatitis a and b. hep b is considered an std, while hep a is associated with fecal contamination of food. see your doctor, and get both, if possible (the shots, i mean). i have never been seriously ill from food in thailand, and i can deal with the occasional traveller's trots. hepatitis a, on the other hand, is a nasty way to end your vacation. hepatitis b is a killer, and easily transmitted by body fluids during sex. vaccination can prevent both, and leave you with only about 6-8 other stds to worry about :)
i'm not dogmatic about what you should or shouldn't do, what precautions to take, or what risk you can live with. being informed, though, is the only way to make your own decisions.
i hope this is seen as useful.
wildman