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I just finished a two month stay in Pattaya where the dominant Freelance hookup site is [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] If you want to meet freelancers in Thailand you need to pay the money to upgrade from free to premium status- then learn the ins and outs of this site. Those who put the effort into understanding the ins / outs of this site reap the benefits of endless freelance options, but it does require effort. IMHO-- all the other online options are pretty much a waste of time / money for this destination.

In Colombia the best online hookup option is still Facebook by working the friends of friends network, but this requires much effort and time. If you do not have a Colombian facebook freelance network already in place then your best point / click online option is: [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] and [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL]. - IMHO.

Here is my Question? I do not have time to build a Manila / AC facebook freelance network. I will be arriving Manila in two weeks. What is the best online freelance website or app for me to take a crash course in to be able hookup with freelancers in the Philippines (primarily Manila / AC). Is there a DOMINANT online website or app? I did not know in which forum to post this question so I will post it here in the Manila forum and AC forum. Thank you much! Troyboy (Jag on some other boards) P.S.-- I know Manila and AC well- I just have never bothered with online hookups. I think I need to expand my options.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;2780093]I just finished a two month stay in Pattaya where the dominant Freelance hookup site is [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] If you want to meet freelancers in Thailand you need to pay the money to upgrade from free to premium status- then learn the ins and outs of this site. Those who put the effort into understanding the ins / outs of this site reap the benefits of endless freelance options, but it does require effort. IMHO-- all the other online options are pretty much a waste of time / money for this destination.

In Colombia the best online hookup option is still Facebook by working the friends of friends network, but this requires much effort and time. If you do not have a Colombian facebook freelance network already in place then your best point / click online option is: [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] and [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL]. - IMHO.

Here is my Question? I do not have time to build a Manila / AC facebook freelance network. I will be arriving Manila in two weeks. What is the best online freelance website or app for me to take a crash course in to be able hookup with freelancers in the Philippines (primarily Manila / AC). Is there a DOMINANT online website or app? I did not know in which forum to post this question so I will post it here in the Manila forum and AC forum. Thank you much! Troyboy (Jag on some other boards) P.S.-- I know Manila and AC well- I just have never bothered with online hookups. I think I need to expand my options.[/QUOTE]Pinalove, TanTan, filipinocupid, tinder, badoo.

Had to bring my plans forward to visit Manila and arrived last night. Consequently my plans for a week away were scrapped. Staying in Birch Tower Malate. My normal repeat wasnt answering messages so in Taxi on way to accommodation started messaging prospects. Basically wasted several hours, All there chicks who really needed money wouldn't cooperate with me ordering a Grab, they wanted me to send money. Went for a walk to Robinsons and the freelancers were of poor quality. Got some MacDonalds and went back to the room. 10.30 my regular messaged me. She eventually turned up at 2. 30 am. I had fallen asleep waiting.

We had a shower together then Got to the bed. Gave her some long time DATY with finger in arse and pussy. Progressed to sex and after a while when I was getting closed swapped to anal and filled her arse with cum. Woke up at 9 and got into spoon position poking here arse while fingering her pussy. When she was warmed up started fucking her. Went a long time but just couldn't cum. Not unusual for me after a long trip. She on the other hand had several.

After she left I went to Robinsons and had Korean BBQ for lunch.

Thanks for sharing. Would you happen to have contact info to the one you met the first night please?

[QUOTE=SlySteeler;2781847]Thanks for sharing. Would you happen to have contact info to the one you met the first night please?[/QUOTE]Sorry she is not on the market.

Previous to pandemic, Exklusiv and ZZYZX, both higher-end discos in Malate, were jumpin' places. Neither has re-opened, as have most previous places in the area (except Cowboy Grill Remedios, now defunct).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2782651]Previous to pandemic, Exklusiv and ZZYZX, both higher-end discos in Malate, were jumpin' places. Neither has re-opened, as have most previous places in the area (except Cowboy Grill Remedios, now defunct).[/QUOTE]That didn't read right. It should have read:

Neither has re-opened (along with Cowboy Grill Remedios, now defunct), while others in the area have re-opened.

In Manila for 3 days. Staying at Robinson Galleria in Pasig City. Any suggestions for nearby fun / hookup?

Are there any lady homes open anymore since Covid??

Thank you!

Does anyone have recent experience in Pasay City -- particularly the area around the SM Mall of Asia or the former EDSA Entertainment Complex? It's a shame the latter has closed.

I notice the quickie hotels (Sogo) are still there on EDSA, so I'm wondering if there's any action remaining in the area. For example, a good KTV bar, massage place, or FL pickup joint?

Any local intel would be appreciated. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=TomParsons2000;2783023]Does anyone have recent experience in Pasay City -- particularly the area around the SM Mall of Asia or the former EDSA Entertainment Complex? It's a shame the latter has closed.

I notice the quickie hotels (Sogo) are still there on EDSA, so I'm wondering if there's any action remaining in the area. For example, a good KTV bar, massage place, or FL pickup joint?

Any local intel would be appreciated. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Lots of info but best on PM so look forward to your PM and can share more and contacts.

Birch Tower, Malate, update. Walked past yesterday and a guy outside handed me a biz card and a sheet of paper with sales figures. He has approximately 50 units for sale. Unit sizes and prices are:

24.3 Meters, p3 - p3. 4 million.

30.63 Meters, p3. 2 - p3. 9 million.

38.14 Meters, p4. 9 million.

41.66 Meters, p5. 5 - p6. 2 million.

42.82 Meters, p5. 5 - p6. 2 million.

They have also fully furnished units as (probably doesn't include utilities):

Studio w / balcony: p2500/ day or p27 k / month.

Big studio w / balcony: p3000/ day or p32 k / month.

1-bedroom w / balcony: p3500/ day or p45 k / month.

Contact info on biz card:

Bannie Ecleo.

Globe 0905 567 6066.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2783711]Birch Tower, Malate, update. Walked past yesterday and a guy outside handed me a biz card and a sheet of paper with sales figures. He has approximately 50 units for sale. Unit sizes and prices are:

[/QUOTE]What's the build quality of MNL apartments over time? Elsewhere in Asia, it pretty normal for them to look great upon sale, have faulty fittings after 12 months, mouldy paint and wiring issues after 5 yrs, etc. Durability is nowhere near what is expected in the West. Is this a problem in MNL too?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2783769]What's the build quality of MNL apartments over time? Elsewhere in Asia, it pretty normal for them to look great upon sale, have faulty fittings after 12 months, mouldy paint and wiring issues after 5 yrs, etc. Durability is nowhere near what is expected in the West. Is this a problem in MNL too?[/QUOTE]I am in Birch tower currently. Its been around a while I first stayed in 2019. Its well located directly opposite Robinson Place Mall. The cupboard doors are all falling off, the balcony door doesn't lock, Shower soap holder is just about falling off. Otherwise its in good condition.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2783769]What's the build quality of MNL apartments over time? Elsewhere in Asia, it pretty normal for them to look great upon sale, have faulty fittings after 12 months, mouldy paint and wiring issues after 5 yrs, etc. Durability is nowhere near what is expected in the West. Is this a problem in MNL too?[/QUOTE]Its a problem anywhere in Philippines. Standards are much lower than in the West. As an example: Gramercy and Knightsbridge. I wrote here some years ago about a unit in Gramercy that was falling apart at that time. Its history was short and not sweet. I was only there for a 1-week Burgos warrior stint. Within 24 hours I had to call up the maintenance engineers several times for differing things. Lights and electrical fittings didn't work, plumbing was poor. It was a comedy of errors. Two light swtiches, the switch on the left didn't turn anything on / off. The right switch worked fine. The maintenance guy fixed it quickly and left. For fun after he left, I switched on the right-hand switch and it didn't work. Front desk: Send that engineer right back up, please. Additionally the aircon is located at the floor (not the ceiling) and blows directly on the bed, cracks in the walls in the unit and hallway, and so on. All on a building that was relatively new. At one point the building maintenance guy told me to call a private contractor, which the owner sent over. After the contractor worked on the issue I offered him a coffee and we chat. "Poor design. This place should be Manila's finest. This unit was unoccupied for its first year, then occupied for the past 1 year. Problems and problems". You've been here before. "Oh yes I fixed many things for the owner". To cover cracks in the wall inside the unit, the owner had wallpapered. 1) It was ugly wallpaper, and 2) Whoever did the wallpaper job installed it poorly, crooked. Then later someone tried to wallpaper over the wallpaper. That's an owner thing, but it points to structural issues: he had to wallpaper over cracks caused by regular earthquakes.

KB: My go-to place in Makati, as its rather a classy joint. But many of the units I rent have similar cracks and inoperable things inside, requiring fixes. I think its less than a decade old.

Province: Ayala completed its first residence there. I watched it being built for several years from nearby hotels. Everyone ooohed and ahhhed. I rented a unit for a week during its first year. Everything seemed up to spec (which is rather a low bar in all studio units -- tiny CR, tiny kitchen area, not enough room to have your standard Westy 5-some vaxxing session, and so on) and the entire building had a nice sheen to it. I remember thinking at the time: Give it time, in a year this place will be run down in one or another form. Six months later I was back and noticed cracks in the walls in the hallway and unit. The owner was checking me in. "We had earthquake few months ago". Big earthquake? "No. I was here. I didn't leave the unit". So a small earthquake in the first year made the walls inside and outside the unit crack. Didn't Ayala offer to fix this? "No sir". Did you ask? "No sir". Isn't there some kind of first-year warranty? "I don't know". Fixing cracks in the wall is no easy process; the crack must be spackled and at least that wall (and maybe all interior walls) might need to be repainted for uniformity, requiring the occupant (s) to get out for 1-2-3 days. Haha or wallpapered!

In addition one of the electrical outlets didn't work. The building engineer could not make it work after the earthquake. The owner had purchased a long electric extension cord, snaked it across the room from an operating outlet to the non-operating outlet area, making it difficult to negotiate my way from the bed to the CR at night without tripping over the cord. The cord ran right down the middle of the studio unit (owner's fault, not a design flaw, except that the earthquake-broken outlet that could not be fixed is a design flaw). I went to the hardware store and purchased a second long extension cord, daisy-chained the two cords, and ran the cords along the wall to get them out of the way. Over the years I rented there several times, sometimes in the same unit, and have watched the place go downhill in the same way. Its only about 6 years old, and all the usual deterioration have occurred in ways that my Western properties never experienced in more than a decade. For example, in one of my home country's States where I live, we have more severe (and frequent) earthquakes. Why have none of my Western houses or apartment walls ever cracked? I have lived in single-fam homes and high-rise apartments for long periods of time.

In the same province, another company completed a similar residence a year prior to pandemic. I stayed there last year again. You can see the exact same deterioration issues happening at the same rate. Its the newest and most advanced residence, with fiber run from the ground floor to each unit (150 mbps, yummy). Yet on day 2, the toilet clogged. I borrowed a plunger from the front desk, used it, and returned it. It is telling that the front desk keeps a plunger for the unit owners. The next day, same issue. Guard: "Are you using toilet paper sir?" Yes, the owner was kind enough to have left me SIXTEEN ROLLS! The owner must have spoken to my brother-in-law about me being full of sh*t. Guard: "Sir, we don't use toilet paper here". What? Its an expensive, high-rise, deluxe residence. "Yes sir. But no tissue paper in the toilet". Why would the owner put a roll of paper on the mounted holder next to the toilet? This time the guard sent a maintenance guy with a bigger plunger, who said: "Don't use toilet paper in the toilet. Put it in the trash bin". I msg'd the owner and asked about this. Owner: "Bola. We were told the toilets can handle tissue. I will call admin". Later, on my way out, I ran into a foreigner in the lobby. We stopped and spoke. As we spoke, the guard interrupted: "Sir. Sorry before. I guess you can flush the toilet paper". Um, thanks. The owner must have questioned Admin about it. The other foreigner laughed and asked if I was having toilet issues. "Best to buy your own plunger. Be prepared to use it about every second or third crap you take if you use toilet paper. Alternately, crap and flush. Then wipe and flush a second time just for the toilet paper. Flushing twice like that reduces the number of plunges". Serious? Flushing twice defeats the purpose of installing low-volume (Gallons Per Flush) toilets. They built a modern Hi-tech residence, and put in low volume toilets? "Haha yes. Welcome to Philippines!

Spire. In Makati, Century City. Brand new, not yet occupied. Still being completed, located between Gramercy and KB, next door to Centuria Medical Center. Black building. I got mall touts from agents trying to sell me a unit middle of last year. "We are the same company that built Trump Tower. Our designers and architects are the best in Philippines. Spire is built to a higher standard!" Finally I accepted a viewing. The two agents took me past the door guard to the front desk, telling me that they wanted to show me 2 units.

Once in the studio unit I was not impressed. It was the same size as the unit that I was living in (21-ish sq M), the exact same shape, the exact window placement and size, and the exact same CR as in my unit. It was naked, no furniture or fixings. The exact same kitchen layout (small single sink, about 1 sq meter of counter space). Nothing about it appeared any different than any other condo studio unit that I'd ever seen. I asked: What is different about this unit as to any KB studio? "I don't know sir". You said that these units were to a higher standard, designed by the best architects, and designed after Trump Tower. What did the architects learn from KB and Trump Tower, what improvements did they make? "I don't know". That is seriously the answer of a sales person looking to not sell something (I would later find out just how wrong I was about that).

Looking around, there was an electrical outlet shortage. I pointed out that the side of the room with the aircon unit (the wall adjacent to the back wall; the back wall is where the window is facing the street) had an electrical outlet, requiring the headboard of the bed to be placed there, so you could charge your laptop and phone while using them in bed. "Yes sir". There was a shortage of such outlets on the opposite wall. Where will you plug in your TV, cable box, wifi router, etc? "I don't know. . . ".

Not impressed, they showed me the 1-bedroom unit. A much better kitchen, with a much larger sink (and no cupboard directly over it, meaning you can lean over the sink and wash dishes without hitting your head). Also there is more counter space for cooking equipment and food preparation. In both the sala and bedroom I thought they were short by at least 1 electrical outlet, and I am being kind by saying that. The Western standard is a 4-plug outlet every 2. 5 meters, with additional outlets in the kitchen area.

There was no balcony on either unit. Ma'am how much is this unit? "14 million". And the studio unit? "16 million". Um, do you have that backwards? "No sir. The studio will reduce by several million if you can pay cash. Same for the 1 bedroom unit. If you can purchase 4 or more units we can give a bigger discount". She told me the lower half of the building would be business offices (I would guess call center), and the top half condo units (more later on this). The building is as tall as KB, Gram, Diamond, and TT.

And finally at another residence in the Century area. Tiny, odd-shaped units, hard to describe. My fav broken fixture: The hood, the fan over the stove, designed to collect smoke from your oily cooking and vent it outside. I couldn't make it work right. I contacted the owner (who lives in the unit when its not rented out). He contacted the building maintenance. The engineer showed up to fix it. He made a comment about it not working and I was busy with my laptop. He got it working BZZZZZZZZ, all good. When he turned it off he pointed out that it still would not work. He said the smoke would get pulled up by the fan, then pushed back out into the rest of the interior of the unit. "There is no vent. The smoke will not go outside. You keep a window open". Wait, what? Just this unit? "No sir. All the units. No vents were installed. All of the fans will push the smoke about inside the unit". F*ck me! I told the owner, and was unaware of that. He is an original owner of the unit, for many years. Haaaaaaaa!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2783780]I am in Birch tower currently. Its been around a while I first stayed in 2019. Its well located directly opposite Robinson Place Mall. The cupboard doors are all falling off, the balcony door doesn't lock, Shower soap holder is just about falling off. Otherwise its in good condition.[/QUOTE]From early to late 2022, about 9 months time span, I stayed for either 1 or 2 night stays in BT Malate, probably 15-ish different times. I lived in a condo nearby, and regularly I was using short time places in the area. My residence allowed (at times) only my 1 registered main squeeze (NCR's stringent and cyclical lockdown requirements). At other times they allowed guests, and only for a matter of hours, and during the day time only. I also stayed about 10 times at Shore Towers near MOA in the same way. About 2-3 times monthly, I was renting a place nightly.

At Shore, I found 2 owners, each with multiple units for rent (thru social media). Once contact and deets were worked out on social media, we switched over to txt msg. After meeting their caretaker hosts at shore, I was able to reduce the price. For example, they would advertise an overnight studio at Shore for p2 k. I went and paid that in cash (there is returnable deposit to be paid up front also). After 2 visits with one host and 1 visit with the other, I found them contacting me, trying to get me to reserve another unit ASAP. I would lie and tell them that I found a similar unit at BT for 1800 or 1700, and both hosts got my rate dropped at Shore to 1700 (nice for me). Shore is nicer than BT, and not yet as run down (and has faster elevators).

BT is different. You can rent airbnb, or from owners on social media. Also they have at least 3 entities on the first two floors that rent units. JMM and Regency Grand, and at least one more (seems to be owned by the Admin there). All of them rent units to walk-ins. At the time, RG was charging p2 k per night, and JMM was wanting p2250. On all of my 15-ish stints at that time in BT I was never in the same unit twice. They are all studios and basically identical. I rented these as ST places for several reasons: 1) I needed a place to take a girl who was not my main squeeze in my Residence; 2) I just felt like staying somewhere different; 3) One of my girls likes to be treated to things (in her mind) that does not involve money. Another girl I bussed in from the province for 2 nights and hence couldn't stay in my residence.

In all but one of my 15-ish BT stays, I either reported immediately or upon departure some item that needed to be fixed. All of the things GD mentioned above, electrical outlets and light switches that failed, toilet kept clogging and re-clogging after plunging (the maintenance guy plunged it and it worked fine, then an hour later I took a whiz and it backed up again; lather / rinse / repeat). Twice, just after checkin, I went right back to the RG front desk and asked for a different unit, because they told me that they could not fix the issue until another day (I was only there for the night). Worse, they were aware of the issue and did not mention it when I checked in. Worse, if I wanted another unit I had to wait upstairs in my unit until one *might* become available.

On multiple occasions at BT, I waited in a line in the lobby at BT because my unit could not be checked into because it was being cleaned. I saw group after group of Chinese and Koreans come in and rent units for up to several months, paying cash, without ever bothering to ask about the unit or viewing it. One of the RG requirements in their contract is: NO REFUNDS (or was at the time). I asked the front desk guy, if my unit had problems after I moved in on a month's rent, would they fix it or give me another unit? "Other unit can be difficult. We are very booked always. Fix maybe". Maybe? "Maybe". Can I move out and get a partial refund? "No refunds". Forewarned with this, sometimes I asked to see / view a unit first. The guy, if not busy, would show me one. I would check the aircon, ref, and flush the toilet once, then rent it. Or alternately I learned to ask the front desk guy what problems he was aware of in the unit he was about to assign me to. He had them all memorized. Once when a toilet started leaking from the bottom, dirty water on to the CR floor, he said he could not get a maintenance fix until the next morning, and no other units were available. I have to sleep in a stinky room with a toilet that I am afraid to flush all night? "You open the balcony door". Great! There were also times when GR refused to allow me to view any unit in advance. JMM *always* refused advance viewing. The RG guy showed me a list of all his units (about 35 of them) in the building. As those 35 units are all rentals, and JMM's are also, I would have some difficulty purchasing one later. Renters are hard on things they don't own. Saying: "A rental car is the fastest car on earth".

On most occasions, everything went fine, even with the broken electrical switches or cupboards or rice cooker that didn't work, I got laid every time. Keep in mind the building was completed in 2012, and I think was not fully turned over to management to start populating it until 2013, so its just one decade old. Also it doesn't have enough elevators; others have reported this also. Contrast this with Shore Residence near MOA. Not sure how old it is, but I only experienced one minor issue that I can think of (Internet didn't connect to any device; a router power reset fixed it). For everything I just mentioned about BT, I still like BT, and considered renting a month there recently, but I found airbnb prices were way up (Christmas holdover maybe), and found a much better price elsewhere.

I believe you run into two separate problems here with condos, that happen at the same time. 1) Construction standards are less, causing structural issues to show more quickly. And 2) most items purchased by the owner after taking control of the empty unit are also of a lesser standard. Furniture such as couches and beds are weaker (designed and constructed for smaller persons). The wood in many furniture items (cupboards, couches / beds, etc) is often pressed particle board. Fixtures held in place by tiny screws. And those hot water heaters for the shower in the CR, are often too small. They make several model sizes (small, medium, large) that can heat a larger amount of cold water faster. Each level up is about p1500 more on purchase. In my last SIX condo rentals, even turning the knob to full hot, gets the water very warm, but not hot. There is too much cold water coming thru the unit at once. The key is to turn down the (cold) water pressure, allowing less pressure but hotter water to come out of the shower head. And regardless of the size of the unit, they rarely last 3 years before failure. You just have to plan to replace them regularly. Myself and several of my friends in my country also have electric tankless water heaters in our homes, I have never known of one not lasting 15+ years. Its just a different standard (and its $5000 USD, not cheap).

Obligatory BT pic.

[URL]https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/birch-tower/14818[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2783769]What's the build quality of MNL apartments over time? Elsewhere in Asia, it pretty normal for them to look great upon sale, have faulty fittings after 12 months, mouldy paint and wiring issues after 5 yrs, etc. Durability is nowhere near what is expected in the West. Is this a problem in MNL too?[/QUOTE]G -.

I started investing in condo's a few years back. The one developer that is par with Western-standard is Rockwell. MEGAWORLD / SMDC and some of the Ayala properties are a FAIL as far as I'm concerned.

One of the things that sets One Rockwell apart from the rest of these developers is that the property admin is very good in maintaining the property. They seem to have a good grip about goodt customer service. I never had any issue with their security as well. The whole One Rockwell compound is restricted to outsiders after midnight.

I made a mistake and bought a unit with Megaworld: they just turned over a unit and it hasn't even been a week and the ceiling in the bathroom started leaking. The tile install was also defective. I reported this to the property admin and it took them 2 months before they could start the repair. The whole process was a nightmare.

The better way to go if you are planning to invest in a property is to rent one of the units in the same building you are interested and try it for a month. Avoid pre sale unless you are familiar with the developer. A good friend of mine also bought a property developed by MEGAWORLD and he, too, is going through his personal nightmare.

Good luck.

BS.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2783879]Its a problem anywhere in Philippines. Standards are much lower than in the West. As an example: Gramercy and Knightsbridge. I wrote here some years ago about a unit in Gramercy that was falling apart at that time. Its history was short and not sweet. I was only there for a 1-week Burgos warrior stint. Within 24 hours I had to call up the maintenance engineers several times for differing things. Lights and electrical fittings didn't work, plumbing was poor. It was a comedy of errors. Two light swtiches, the switch on the left didn't turn anything on / off. The right switch worked fine. The maintenance guy fixed it quickly and left. For fun after he left, I switched on the right-hand switch and it didn't work. Front desk: Send that engineer right back up, please. Additionally the aircon is located at the floor (not the ceiling) and blows directly on the bed, cracks in the walls in the unit and hallway, and so on. All on a building that was relatively new. At one point the building maintenance guy told me to call a private contractor, which the owner sent over. After the contractor worked on the issue I offered him a coffee and we chat. "Poor design. This place should be Manila's finest. This unit was unoccupied for its first year, then occupied for the past 1 year. Problems and problems". You've been here before. "Oh yes I fixed many things for the owner". To cover cracks in the wall inside the unit, the owner had wallpapered. 1) It was ugly wallpaper, and 2) Whoever did the wallpaper job installed it poorly, crooked. Then later someone tried to wallpaper over the wallpaper. That's an owner thing, but it points to structural issues: he had to wallpaper over cracks caused by regular earthquakes.

KB: My go-to place in Makati, as its rather a classy joint. But many of the units I rent have similar cracks and inoperable things inside, requiring fixes. I think its less than a decade old.

Province: Ayala completed its first residence there. I watched it being built for several years from nearby hotels. Everyone ooohed and ahhhed. I rented a unit for a week during its first year. Everything seemed up to spec (which is rather a low bar in all studio units -- tiny CR, tiny kitchen area, not enough room to have your standard Westy 5-some vaxxing session, and so on) and the entire building had a nice sheen to it. I remember thinking at the time: Give it time, in a year this place will be run down in one or another form. Six months later I was back and noticed cracks in the walls in the hallway and unit. The owner was checking me in. "We had earthquake few months ago". Big earthquake? "No. I was here. I didn't leave the unit". So a small earthquake in the first year made the walls inside and outside the unit crack. Didn't Ayala offer to fix this? "No sir". Did you ask? "No sir". Isn't there some kind of first-year warranty? "I don't know". Fixing cracks in the wall is no easy process; the crack must be spackled and at least that wall (and maybe all interior walls) might need to be repainted for uniformity, requiring the occupant (s) to get out for 1-2-3 days. Haha or wallpapered!

In addition one of the electrical outlets didn't work. The building engineer could not make it work after the earthquake. The owner had purchased a long electric extension cord, snaked it across the room from an operating outlet to the non-operating outlet area, making it difficult to negotiate my way from the bed to the CR at night without tripping over the cord. The cord ran right down the middle of the studio unit (owner's fault, not a design flaw, except that the earthquake-broken outlet that could not be fixed is a design flaw). I went to the hardware store and purchased a second long extension cord, daisy-chained the two cords, and ran the cords along the wall to get them out of the way. Over the years I rented there several times, sometimes in the same unit, and have watched the place go downhill in the same way. Its only about 6 years old, and all the usual deterioration have occurred in ways that my Western properties never experienced in more than a decade. For example, in one of my home country's States where I live, we have more severe (and frequent) earthquakes. Why have none of my Western houses or apartment walls ever cracked? I have lived in single-fam homes and high-rise apartments for long periods of time.

In the same province, another company completed a similar residence a year prior to pandemic. I stayed there last year again. You can see the exact same deterioration issues happening at the same rate. Its the newest and most advanced residence, with fiber run from the ground floor to each unit (150 mbps, yummy). Yet on day 2, the toilet clogged. I borrowed a plunger from the front desk, used it, and returned it. It is telling that the front desk keeps a plunger for the unit owners. The next day, same issue. Guard: "Are you using toilet paper sir?" Yes, the owner was kind enough to have left me SIXTEEN ROLLS! The owner must have spoken to my brother-in-law about me being full of sh*t. Guard: "Sir, we don't use toilet paper here". What? Its an expensive, high-rise, deluxe residence. "Yes sir. But no tissue paper in the toilet". Why would the owner put a roll of paper on the mounted holder next to the toilet? This time the guard sent a maintenance guy with a bigger plunger, who said: "Don't use toilet paper in the toilet. Put it in the trash bin". I msg'd the owner and asked about this. Owner: "Bola. We were told the toilets can handle tissue. I will call admin". Later, on my way out, I ran into a foreigner in the lobby. We stopped and spoke. As we spoke, the guard interrupted: "Sir. Sorry before. I guess you can flush the toilet paper". Um, thanks. The owner must have questioned Admin about it. The other foreigner laughed and asked if I was having toilet issues. "Best to buy your own plunger. Be prepared to use it about every second or third crap you take if you use toilet paper. Alternately, crap and flush. Then wipe and flush a second time just for the toilet paper. Flushing twice like that reduces the number of plunges". Serious? Flushing twice defeats the purpose of installing low-volume (Gallons Per Flush) toilets. They built a modern Hi-tech residence, and put in low volume toilets? "Haha yes. Welcome to Philippines!

Spire. In Makati, Century City. Brand new, not yet occupied. Still being completed, located between Gramercy and KB, next door to Centuria Medical Center. Black building. I got mall touts from agents trying to sell me a unit middle of last year. "We are the same company that built Trump Tower. Our designers and architects are the best in Philippines. Spire is built to a higher standard!" Finally I accepted a viewing. The two agents took me past the door guard to the front desk, telling me that they wanted to show me 2 units.

Once in the studio unit I was not impressed. It was the same size as the unit that I was living in (21-ish sq M), the exact same shape, the exact window placement and size, and the exact same CR as in my unit. It was naked, no furniture or fixings. The exact same kitchen layout (small single sink, about 1 sq meter of counter space). Nothing about it appeared any different than any other condo studio unit that I'd ever seen. I asked: What is different about this unit as to any KB studio? "I don't know sir". You said that these units were to a higher standard, designed by the best architects, and designed after Trump Tower. What did the architects learn from KB and Trump Tower, what improvements did they make? "I don't know". That is seriously the answer of a sales person looking to not sell something (I would later find out just how wrong I was about that).

Looking around, there was an electrical outlet shortage. I pointed out that the side of the room with the aircon unit (the wall adjacent to the back wall; the back wall is where the window is facing the street) had an electrical outlet, requiring the headboard of the bed to be placed there, so you could charge your laptop and phone while using them in bed. "Yes sir". There was a shortage of such outlets on the opposite wall. Where will you plug in your TV, cable box, wifi router, etc? "I don't know. . . ".

Not impressed, they showed me the 1-bedroom unit. A much better kitchen, with a much larger sink (and no cupboard directly over it, meaning you can lean over the sink and wash dishes without hitting your head). Also there is more counter space for cooking equipment and food preparation. In both the sala and bedroom I thought they were short by at least 1 electrical outlet, and I am being kind by saying that. The Western standard is a 4-plug outlet every 2. 5 meters, with additional outlets in the kitchen area.

There was no balcony on either unit. Ma'am how much is this unit? "14 million". And the studio unit? "16 million". Um, do you have that backwards? "No sir. The studio will reduce by several million if you can pay cash. Same for the 1 bedroom unit. If you can purchase 4 or more units we can give a bigger discount". She told me the lower half of the building would be business offices (I would guess call center), and the top half condo units (more later on this). The building is as tall as KB, Gram, Diamond, and TT.

And finally at another residence in the Century area. Tiny, odd-shaped units, hard to describe. My fav broken fixture: The hood, the fan over the stove, designed to collect smoke from your oily cooking and vent it outside. I couldn't make it work right. I contacted the owner (who lives in the unit when its not rented out). He contacted the building maintenance. The engineer showed up to fix it. He made a comment about it not working and I was busy with my laptop. He got it working BZZZZZZZZ, all good. When he turned it off he pointed out that it still would not work. He said the smoke would get pulled up by the fan, then pushed back out into the rest of the interior of the unit. "There is no vent. The smoke will not go outside. You keep a window open". Wait, what? Just this unit? "No sir. All the units. No vents were installed. All of the fans will push the smoke about inside the unit". F*ck me! I told the owner, and was unaware of that. He is an original owner of the unit, for many years. Haaaaaaaa![/QUOTE]In a third world country. 14 to 16 million, someone is smoking crack, 250 to $300 k. I've seen used ones 8 or 10 million in Grammercy considering the build quality used may be better as owner may have worked out the issues. Maybe I've been lucky but most I've rented are fine. I'm not that picky, good TV, shower and A / see and I'm good to go. Leasing may be a better option that way if you get tired of the area you can move around. The business office in these buildings can help you and it can be a bit cheaper than using Airbnb long term. There is a new one going up beside Century City, Strafford I think but I imagine those prices are crazy too.

Hey Guys,

I asked this in the Makati forum and was told this is more relevant for the Manila forum (apologize for the repeat).

I am planning a trip to Manila / Makati end of February. My last trip was in 2016 and I really had a good time. I know things have changed post covid so wanted to get some info from the experts.

Question 1 - Are the casas / dormitories still active? I remember a few casas that the taxi guys used to take me. There used to be a line up of girls at these casas that you can pick and bring back to your room and there were some cute women at some of these casas.

Question 2 - Where would you go to find some high end escorts (websites, bars, clubs, karaoke bars)?

Hey guys,

Just a short report on a recent trip to PI.

Stayed at Sheraton Manila Bay. Needless to say, girl friendly. Easy walk to LA Cafe (woof!) if that's what you are looking for. Admittedly I didn't go there at prime times, but damn it was bleak. Lots of girls but the term "not even with yours" comes to mind! No idea on pricing. Felt dirty even making the walk around.

Used Manila Courtesans twice and was very pleased. Accurate photos and definite GFE by both providers. Made sense to spend 5 k to have girl delivered to my hotel. And the 2nd was a 10 k girl. 5 k girl was actually better. She was new so hasn't raised her pricing yet. But both were good value when comparing to Makati take-away! And it fit with my work schedule which was 7 pm - 3 am local time.

Makati adventures were limited to Dimples. 4 k bar fine, 5 k for girl first night in town. Plus a few lady drinks. Last night in town sprung for the foursome. BF total 9 k (minor discount) and 4 k per girl for this adventure. It was a LOT of fun. Yes, it was $400 USD but it was my last night in town and the girls earned every dollar. Especially "BJ" who earned her 1 k bonus by making my come (and in) her mouth.

In all cases I tipped well. Hope that's still OK with y'all?

Oh, BTW. Yes, there were girls outside of Robinsons mall (McDonalds street) but again. You G L why there really is no alibi! (YMMV).

Summary. I like PI. It's nice to have a conversation beyond "How long you stay Thailand" and "You come 1st time Thailand" with a girl. And to get a cutie (Pearl) delivered to my room for 5 k /$100 is fantastic value IMHO.

Enjoy your travels.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]In all cases I tipped well. Hope that's still OK with y'all?[/QUOTE]A man pays what a man pays.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]Oh, BTW. Yes, there were girls outside of Robinsons mall (McDonalds street) but again. [/QUOTE]Was walking the area recently, playing a game of [B]What's That SMELL![/B] And passed the steps in front of Robinson's. Stopped and counted 17 ladies sitting, kibitzing, and available for your prurient interests. Even with my admittedly somewhat lower standards, I only saw one worth taking.

TRVL: Good report.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]And to get a cutie (Pearl) delivered to my room for 5 k /$100 is fantastic value IMHO.

Enjoy your travels.[/QUOTE]You will have to ask for a commission next time for drumming up business for her: She is now 7/14 k. 😊.

I've never used a service but I'd agree that the 10/12/14 k girls represent good value vs what would be spent in Burgos for a night out to find an all nighter.

Well done. G.

I am FINALLY making my triumphant return to the Philippines at the end of the month. It will be a 2 1/2 week trip. I'm spending most of the first 2 weeks in AC. The final weekend, I have a commitment in Manila. My question is: Should I go back to AC for the final 3-4 days or just stay in Manila? Can I fill 3-4 days with hot, young poontang as easily as I can in AC. Any suggestions for routes I can take? I see there are some stunners on Seeking Arrangements in Manila.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2785417]I am FINALLY making my triumphant return to the Philippines at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]SJ: Welcome back! Hopefully I will be able to get some rest at that time from my vaxxing work here. A few pics for the gents. Sorry they are a bit fuzzy. Long-waisted critter. Get-er-clean. Get-er-done.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2785417]My question is: Should I go back to AC for the final 3-4 days or just stay in Manila? Can I fill 3-4 days with hot, young poontang as easily as I can in AC. Any suggestions for routes I can take? I see there are some stunners on Seeking Arrangements in Manila.[/QUOTE]What days of the week are your remaining 4 days? AC is much more lively Fri / Sat and may be worth a return. Personally, I wouldn't worry about travelling back midweek.

There are so many options that you don't have to prebook everything. You can just extend your stay in Manila if you are having a great time or meet Ms Right. If you are over Manila then just book your AC hotel and transport the day before and move.

If you are happy to pay Seeking prices then there is also Tinder, IG and the agencies or the old favourite, Burgos. Depends on what you are looking for.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2785417]I am FINALLY making my triumphant return to the Philippines at the end of the month. It will be a 2 1/2 week trip. I'm spending most of the first 2 weeks in AC. The final weekend, I have a commitment in Manila. My question is: Should I go back to AC for the final 3-4 days or just stay in Manila? Can I fill 3-4 days with hot, young poontang as easily as I can in AC. Any suggestions for routes I can take? I see there are some stunners on Seeking Arrangements in Manila.[/QUOTE]After all the Nasty Shit posted about AC why would you do 2 weeks there and then think of coming back for more? Are you Korean?

Please post your action reports.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]Hey guys,

Used Manila Courtesans twice and was very pleased. Accurate photos and definite GFE by both providers. Made sense to spend 5 k to have girl delivered to my hotel. And the 2nd was a 10 k girl. 5 k girl was actually better. She was new so hasn't raised her pricing yet. But both were good value when comparing to Makati take-away! And it fit with my work schedule which was 7 pm - 3 am local time.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report! Sounds like that 4-Girl event was awesome!

Did Manila Courtesans have any rules about BBFS, CIP and CIM?

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]Hey guys,

Just a short report on a recent trip to PI.

Stayed at Sheraton Manila Bay. Needless to say, girl friendly. Easy walk to LA Cafe (woof!) if that's what you are looking for. Admittedly I didn't go there at prime times, but damn it was bleak. Lots of girls but the term "not even with yours" comes to mind! No idea on pricing. Felt dirty even making the walk around.

Used Manila Courtesans twice and was very pleased. Accurate photos and definite GFE by both providers. Made sense to spend 5 k to have girl delivered to my hotel. And the 2nd was a 10 k girl. 5 k girl was actually better. She was new so hasn't raised her pricing yet. But both were good value when comparing to Makati take-away! And it fit with my work schedule which was 7 pm - 3 am local time.

Makati adventures were limited to Dimples. 4 k bar fine, 5 k for girl first night in town. Plus a few lady drinks. Last night in town sprung for the foursome. BF total 9 k (minor discount) and 4 k per girl for this adventure. It was a LOT of fun. Yes, it was $400 USD but it was my last night in town and the girls earned every dollar. Especially "BJ" who earned her 1 k bonus by making my come (and in) her mouth.

In all cases I tipped well. Hope that's still OK with y'all?

Oh, BTW. Yes, there were girls outside of Robinsons mall (McDonalds street) but again. You G L why there really is no alibi! (YMMV).

Summary. I like PI. It's nice to have a conversation beyond "How long you stay Thailand" and "You come 1st time Thailand" with a girl. And to get a cutie (Pearl) delivered to my room for 5 k /$100 is fantastic value IMHO.

Enjoy your travels.[/QUOTE]5000 is a fair price for using service. Not sure if they are service oriented. Is this LT or ST? BBCIP?

I use DIA girls. I offer them 2500 per day initially and generally give 3000. They are sweet honeys. Hangs around with me all the time and on demand sex. Otherwise they listen to music, watch tv and it is GFE.

Going to Manila next month on the way to Jakarta. Landing early in the morning in Manila and have till evening to catch a flight to Jakarta. Hoping to get a day use hotel. Will try my luck at new coast hotel first which I like. If not successful troll along that area and check wall hotels. Have lined up two girls who will be with me all day.

Not very successful in getting a girl in Jakarta yet. The ones I chatted are either ugly or fat or both. They are mostly older. Seems like Jakarta girls are not in the same mould as Philippine girls. Although I had met many nice girls in Jakarta and had fun few years ago. Maybe girls have changed their outlook there.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2785590]Thanks for the report! Sounds like that 4-Girl event was awesome!

Did Manila Courtesans have any rules about BBFS, CIP and CIM?[/QUOTE]Well I was in Makati twice, and girls never asked me to use condoms! I fuck all the time bareback!

I'll be overnight in Manila in a few weeks, and plan to go to Malate to get a freelancer / streetwalker. Is the Red Planet Hotel on Mabini Street girl friendly? The location seems to be ideal for my purposes.

RG.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2785590]Thanks for the report! Sounds like that 4-Girl event was awesome!

Did Manila Courtesans have any rules about BBFS, CIP and CIM?[/QUOTE]I have availed of their services once. Hander said services is inclusive of sex and massage for 2 hours. 12 hours is also offered. YMMV.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2785834]I'll be overnight in Manila in a few weeks, and plan to go to Malate to get a freelancer / streetwalker. Is the Red Planet Hotel on Mabini Street girl friendly? The location seems to be ideal for my purposes.

RG.[/QUOTE]Yes it is. I have used it.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2785834]I'll be overnight in Manila in a few weeks, and plan to go to Malate to get a freelancer / streetwalker. Is the Red Planet Hotel on Mabini Street girl friendly? The location seems to be ideal for my purposes.

RG.[/QUOTE]Pre Covid they would take and hold the girls ID. If you didn't walk the girl down on her way out then the doorman will come knock on your door to ask you "is everything ok sir" before releasing her with her ID.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2785834]Is the Red Planet Hotel on Mabini Street girl friendly? The location seems to be ideal for my purposes.

RG.[/QUOTE]I just stayed there. It is indeed girl friendly. On Google it's described as an adult only hotel. The reception explains the guest policy in detail and they have big posters saying "guest friendly". Just don't expect girls to be impressed. It's a very basic fuck and go place. It'll probably be fine for LA bar and streetwalkers but I can't tell for sure since I hunt the young ones on PL (more detailed report to follow later).

Edit: they are comparatively strict with IDs. They demand both government ID and vaccine card. May be flexible.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2786051]Edit: they are comparatively strict with IDs. They demand both government ID and vaccine card. May be flexible.[/QUOTE]The RP in Makati near Burgos St also requires both ID and vax card. My current residence requires both, and mid-late last year, Knightsbridge was on / off at different times (or just different guards at the front door) in requiring either only the ID, or at other times both. Calling ahead on the phone helps clear this up (usually).

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2785181]Hey guys,

Just a short report on a recent trip to PI.

Stayed at Sheraton Manila Bay. Needless to say, girl friendly. Easy walk to LA Cafe (woof!) if that's what you are looking for. Admittedly I didn't go there at prime times, but damn it was bleak. Lots of girls but the term "not even with yours" comes to mind! No idea on pricing. Felt dirty even making the walk around.

Used Manila Courtesans twice and was very pleased. Accurate photos and definite GFE by both providers. Made sense to spend 5 k to have girl delivered to my hotel. And the 2nd was a 10 k girl. 5 k girl was actually better. She was new so hasn't raised her pricing yet. But both were good value when comparing to Makati take-away! And it fit with my work schedule which was 7 pm - 3 am local time.

Makati adventures were limited to Dimples. 4 k bar fine, 5 k for girl first night in town. Plus a few lady drinks. Last night in town sprung for the foursome. BF total 9 k (minor discount) and 4 k per girl for this adventure. It was a LOT of fun. Yes, it was $400 USD but it was my last night in town and the girls earned every dollar. Especially "BJ" who earned her 1 k bonus by making my come (and in) her mouth.

In all cases I tipped well. Hope that's still OK with y'all?

Oh, BTW. Yes, there were girls outside of Robinsons mall (McDonalds street) but again. You G L why there really is no alibi! (YMMV).

Summary. I like PI. It's nice to have a conversation beyond "How long you stay Thailand" and "You come 1st time Thailand" with a girl. And to get a cutie (Pearl) delivered to my room for 5 k /$100 is fantastic value IMHO.

Enjoy your travels.[/QUOTE]I plan to be back to Manila in April and though I have many I've been in contact with from previous visits last year, I like the idea of Manila Courtesans. I never made the time for them. The one I saw on there today "Jewel" looks like she's worth the price!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2786262]I plan to be back to Manila in April and though I have many I've been in contact with from previous visits last year, I like the idea of Manila Courtesans. I never made the time for them. The one I saw on there today "Jewel" looks like she's worth the price![/QUOTE]I haven't used manila courtesans since before the pandemic but I think she has been using the same pics and age for over 3 years.

Do the girls on Manila Courtesans generally offer BBFS? Is there any way to determine this when selecting a girl?

RG.

Long-waisted city gal needed a 'pee-nanshal' to buy school supplies for her young daughter. She received enough to buy the child's backpack, and she got a free vaxxing, too.

Stay clean and get some.

I'm sure it's been answered before, but there are so many post in this group. Looking for a nice hotel near all the action guess Crowley of course can someone please make recommendations thank you.

Manila was a huge disappointment to me, enough so that I actually cut my 8 day trip short and left after the third night. Was booked for 8 nights at the Okada Manila casino, which is a legitimately good place, but they refunded me the next five.

First I got someone from SA for 8000 pesos, 2 hours. She was cute, but at least 20 lbs heavier than her picture. Very nice girl, very curvy, great conversation, but not what I'm into. I was tired, so after the convo I just got a blowjob and let her go home. Good BJ skills at least, and I came in her mouth! Overall though, waste of money.

Next I tried a VIP escort from Manila Courtesans. I figured I'the try something higher class. This one was pretty much as picture showed, although still slightly heavier than expected. This one was even more expensive - 25 k pesos! But, because I keep booking girls online when jet lagged and horny, I decided to keep her. Was a good shag and she was very affectionate, but worth 25 k pesos? Absolutely not, not even close. She also left 30 minutes earlier, but I was at the verge of falling asleep then so I didn't fight it, and it was probably for the best.

Having been burned by internet bookings twice, I decided to check out some gogo bars in person. Ended up going to P Burgos, checked out a few gogos and Kojax in particular, which a friend recommended. My god was it a disappointment. Small rooms, only 20 girls at most, most were heavily out of shape, and they looked bored as sin on stage. Just felt dark and grungy. Two of the eight on the stage were just standing there on the stage while vaping! Couldn't help but laugh. My buddy and I didn't even finish our drinks before we bolted. Only 1-2 of the girls were borderline fuckable by my standards, but even then. You know? And Burgos itself felt like a shithole. Imagine taking all the sleaziest parts of Walking Street / Pattaya, with almost none of the good parts. I've mongered on and off throughout Asia, but this is the first time I felt grimy for even being there. Ick.

The very next day, I left the entire damn country. I'm sure there are diamonds in the rough, but by god there's a lot of rough! You need a cast iron stomach to stand this place, from what I've seen. If you want an experience that's even remotely classy, stay the hell away. It was far below the likes of Nana Plaza in Bangkok in terms of both girl quality and vibe.

Sorry for the negativity for those who enjoy Manila, but, it 100% wasn't for me.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787067]Manila was a huge disappointment to me, enough so that I actually cut my 8 day trip short and left after the third night. Was booked for 8 nights at the Okada Manila casino, which is a legitimately good place, but they refunded me the next five.

First I got someone from SA for 8000 pesos, 2 hours. She was cute, but at least 20 lbs heavier than her picture. Very nice girl, very curvy, great conversation, but not what I'm into. I was tired, so after the convo I just got a blowjob and let her go home. Good BJ skills at least, and I came in her mouth! Overall though, waste of money.

Next I tried a VIP escort from Manila Courtesans. I figured I'the try something higher class. This one was pretty much as picture showed, although still slightly heavier than expected. This one was even more expensive - 25 k pesos! But, because I keep booking girls online when jet lagged and horny, I decided to keep her. Was a good shag and she was very affectionate, but worth 25 k pesos? Absolutely not, not even close. She also left 30 minutes earlier, but I was at the verge of falling asleep then so I didn't fight it, and it was probably for the best.

Having been burned by internet bookings twice, I decided to check out some gogo bars in person. Ended up going to P Burgos, checked out a few gogos and Kojax in particular, which a friend recommended. My god was it a disappointment. Small rooms, only 20 girls at most, most were heavily out of shape, and they looked bored as sin on stage. Just felt dark and grungy. Two of the eight on the stage were just standing there on the stage while vaping! Couldn't help but laugh. My buddy and I didn't even finish our drinks before we bolted. Only 1-2 of the girls were borderline fuckable by my standards, but even then. You know? And Burgos itself felt like a shithole. Imagine taking all the sleaziest parts of Walking Street / Pattaya, with almost none of the good parts. I've mongered on and off throughout Asia, but this is the first time I felt grimy for even being there. Ick.

The very next day, I left the entire damn country. I'm sure there are diamonds in the rough, but by god there's a lot of rough! You need a cast iron stomach to stand this place, from what I've seen. If you want an experience that's even remotely classy, stay the hell away. It was far below the likes of Nana Plaza in Bangkok in terms of both girl quality and vibe.

Sorry for the negativity for those who enjoy Manila, but, it 100% wasn't for me.[/QUOTE]By now you should realize spending lots of money does not equate GFE service. I have never used any escort girls anywhere in the world. I only look for freelancers at a bar. Most often I hook up on dating sites. They stay with me and give good service for less damage. I have stayed in many mid range hotels as well as high range hotels. I do not try to impress girls. After all they are rent a while anyway.

Philippines is one of the few places left where even normal girls do not look at the age difference. Even little money helps them a lot where average salary is very low. Almost all need to send money home to the provinces or help parents and siblings if at home. Over many years of mongering I have many other locations for example China, Thailand, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia etc where girls are not eager to service cheaply.

If you are finding it hard in Philippines to find a good service provider maybe you should go to Europe and try escort sites with top notch high end girls. However their service maybe questionable.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787067]Manila was a huge disappointment to me, enough so that I actually cut my 8 day trip short and left after the third night. Was booked for 8 nights at the Okada Manila casino, which is a legitimately good place, but they refunded me the next five.

First I got someone from SA for 8000 pesos, 2 hours. She was cute, but at least 20 lbs heavier than her picture. Very nice girl, very curvy, great conversation, but not what I'm into. I was tired, so after the convo I just got a blowjob and let her go home.
Next I tried a VIP escort from Manila ....

Having been burned by internet bookings twice, I decided to check out some gogo bars in person. Ended up going to P Burgos, checked out a few gogos and Kojax in particular, which a friend recommended. My god was it a disappointment. Small rooms, only 20 girls at most, most were heavily out of shape, and they looked bored as sin on stage. Just felt dark and grungy. Two of the eight on the stage were just standing there on the stage while vaping! Couldn't help but laugh. My buddy and I didn't even finish our drinks before we bolted. Only 1-2 of the girls were borderline fuckable by my standards, but even then. You know? And Burgos itself felt like a shithole. Imagine taking all the sleaziest parts of Walking Street / Pattaya, with almost none of the good parts. I've mongered on and off throughout Asia, but this is the first time I felt grimy for even being there. Ick....
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Sorry for the negativity for those who enjoy Manila, but, it 100% wasn't for me.[/QUOTE]How did you get to kojax? According to the girls that I know and used to work there it's been shutdown. Is this a time travel post?

[QUOTE=GenXBaer;2787119]How did you get to kojax? According to the girls that I know and used to work there it's been shutdown. Is this a time travel post?[/QUOTE]Plan B, still in its old location, is now "Plan B / Kojax" on the sign above the security guards at the street.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2787131]Plan B, still in its old location, is now "Plan B / Kojax" on the sign above the security guards at the street.[/QUOTE]Correct, this is the place I went to. It sucked, heh.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2787114]By now you should realize spending lots of money does not equate GFE service. I have never used any escort girls anywhere in the world. I only look for freelancers at a bar. Most often I hook up on dating sites. They stay with me and give good service for less damage. I have stayed in many mid range hotels as well as high range hotels. I do not try to impress girls. After all they are rent a while anyway.

Philippines is one of the few places left where even normal girls do not look at the age difference. Even little money helps them a lot where average salary is very low. Almost all need to send money home to the provinces or help parents and siblings if at home. Over many years of mongering I have many other locations for example China, Thailand, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia etc where girls are not eager to service cheaply.

If you are finding it hard in Philippines to find a good service provider maybe you should go to Europe and try escort sites with top notch high end girls. However their service maybe questionable.[/QUOTE]Fully respect this. For me, I'm in late 30's and fairly well off, and am fairly picky. While money doesn't necessarily guarantee good product, I've found that as with most things in life, the more you are willing to crack your wallet, the higher your chances of landing something nice are. I'm also very time poor, so there is that aspect of the equation as well; in the end, brute forcing things with a bit of extra paper has done very well for me in almost every country, be it through escorts, Seeking, or whatever. Based on my very short trip and stories I've heard from local friends, Manila strikes me as a place where maybe you can get good results if you stay here and put in a lot of time, but that wasn't a possibility for me.

Standards of beauty may come into play as well. I've mostly lived and mongered in East Asia the past decade or so, and in comparison the girls in Manila seem on average to be so much thicker! Where were the tight Pinay spinners I heard so much about?! Now I'm in Thailand, and by god, the ladies are so much slimmer on average!

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787202]Fully respect this. For me, I'm in late 30's and fairly well off, and am fairly picky. While money doesn't necessarily guarantee good product, I've found that as with most things in life, the more you are willing to crack your wallet, the higher your chances of landing something nice are. I'm also very time poor, so there is that aspect of the equation as well; in the end, brute forcing things with a bit of extra paper has done very well for me in almost every country...[/QUOTE]It's never good to hear of someone not having a good trip. Unfortunately, I'd side with Sammon and agree that throwing money at problem rarely works in PH. Typically the opposite as girls see this as an easy mark and try to exploit it by over charging and / or minimal effort.

I'd agree that is now extremely rare to find a slim and tall girl in PH. It's more likely in Mindanao but that's a long way from Manila and not an option for anyone who is time poor.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787067]Manila was a huge disappointment to me, enough so that I actually cut my 8 day trip short and left after the third night. Was booked for 8 nights at the Okada Manila casino, which is a legitimately good place, but they refunded me the next five.[/QUOTE]How I wish it was possible to offer a business where an experienced monger (such as myself) has a vetted list of slim girls that will make this work.

A) Meet the visitor at the airport, accompany him to hotel. Flirting in the car. Assist with check-in.

B1) Take monger to 3-4 bars or.

B2) Arrange dinner dates with vetted list of tall hot spinners.

C) Ensure he scores.

Could easily do this with a vetted list of 10 girls which can be rotated through the various visitors over the months given most people are 1-2 week visits in this market.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787202]Where were the tight Pinay spinners I heard so much about?! Now I'm in Thailand, and by god, the ladies are so much slimmer on average![/QUOTE]Food addiction is so sad. Here is a thing every young bird could do to make the world a better place, and what do they do? Eat themselves out of the desirable range.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2787405]It's never good to hear of someone not having a good trip. Unfortunately, I'd side with Sammon and agree that throwing money at problem rarely works in PH. Typically the opposite as girls see this as an easy mark and try to exploit it by over charging and / or minimal effort.

I'd agree that is now extremely rare to find a slim and tall girl in PH. It's more likely in Mindanao but that's a long way from Manila and not an option for anyone who is time poor.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]There are many spinners at Japanese- Korean oriented Karaoke bars. They hire only the best doll looking girls. I had a Japanese friend who liked to go to such places. I liked Karaoke's in China but not in Manila.

I had contact online with a Karaoke hostess. She wanted 10,000 pesos per night. I will attach her pic here. Not my thing when I get country bumpkins who are also pretty and best GFE service.

At the entertainment complex which had many bars there were many pretty girls. I had a friend there extremely pretty, tall and nice shape with big boobs. She said she is a mistress of a leading lawyer there and she claims she does not go with everyone. I take it with a grain of salt. However she was a nice GFE girl with me although at that time I paid her only 2000 per night.

Like anything else in life sometimes you get the cream of the crop and sometimes you are stuck with a dud.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787198]Correct, this is the place I went to. It sucked, heh.[/QUOTE]Plan be wasn't the best before it closed, that's why I've not been back since it reopened. You made me laugh with comment about girls standing on stage looking bored, that's exactly what used to happen previously!

Shame you didn't have a good time though, there are some great places you can have a lot of fun with good looking girls.

Went there yesterday afternoon. Paid my 1300 for 80 minutes. Went into a dark room with a curtain in the middle of the hallway where you could hear everything in other rooms. Didn't get to pick the girl. Got someone I felt was highly unattractive and got a rough massage and a very subpar HJ.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2786309]Do the girls on Manila Courtesans generally offer BBFS? Is there any way to determine this when selecting a girl?

RG.[/QUOTE]IME. That's a solid No! Read the FAQ, they address it there as well. But BBBJ is great.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2786262]I plan to be back to Manila in April and though I have many I've been in contact with from previous visits last year, I like the idea of Manila Courtesans. I never made the time for them. The one I saw on there today "Jewel" looks like she's worth the price![/QUOTE]I highly recommend Pearl. Great value at 5 k. Still thinking of her even now.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2785680]5000 is a fair price for using service. Not sure if they are service oriented. Is this LT or ST? BBCIP?

I use DIA girls. I offer them 2500 per day initially and generally give 3000. They are sweet honeys. Hangs around with me all the time and on demand sex. Otherwise they listen to music, watch tv and it is GFE.

Going to Manila next month on the way to Jakarta. Landing early in the morning in Manila and have till evening to catch a flight to Jakarta. Hoping to get a day use hotel. Will try my luck at new coast hotel first which I like. If not successful troll along that area and check wall hotels. Have lined up two girls who will be with me all day.

Not very successful in getting a girl in Jakarta yet. The ones I chatted are either ugly or fat or both. They are mostly older. Seems like Jakarta girls are not in the same mould as Philippine girls. Although I had met many nice girls in Jakarta and had fun few years ago. Maybe girls have changed their outlook there.[/QUOTE]Check out the website for pricing. It varies by girl. And it is ST. Also see FAQ for rules. BBBJ but not BBFS is the standard. And YES, very service oriented was my experience.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2787202]Standards of beauty may come into play as well. I've mostly lived and mongered in East Asia the past decade or so, and in comparison the girls in Manila seem on average to be so much thicker! Where were the tight Pinay spinners I heard so much about?! Now I'm in Thailand, and by god, the ladies are so much slimmer on average![/QUOTE]Yes. We've written extensively over the years about the "Jollibee" chubby-ing of the population, even recently drawing the differences in the gals from Phils and Thailand, physically and language-wise. Sad state of affairs. Sorry you had a difficult time. If you want lots-O-lookers on-demand, go to BKK / Patts.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2787405]It's never good to hear of someone not having a good trip. SNIP I'd agree that is now extremely rare to find a slim and tall girl in PH. It's more likely in Mindanao but that's a long way from Manila and not an option for anyone who is time poor.[/QUOTE]OTOH, if you have some time to preen between the weeds, I hear you can find a happy spinner or two.

What have things come to when we are actually discussing 5 K Peso short time with a Filipina that doesn't even include BBFS? Its okay to have money. Without boasting, I have a mid 7 figure USD Net worth and can easily afford it but I find it ridiculous to travel to third world shithole and pay first world prices. Just for reference, short time with a cute young Thai girl in Singapore would cost around 140-200 SGD ($100-150 USD) and that's 90 minutes, two shots, BBBJ and CFS. Depending on the girl other things like Anal and CIM etc are often on the menu.

The Philippines is the place I go for either large variety with guaranteed BBFS (easier here than anywhere else in the world) at a reasonable price (under 100 USD all night or less than 50 USD ST) or to hook up with dating site girls. With all due respect to come here and pay 5000 or 8000 or 10000 Peso for an average fuck is like paying $50 for a Mcdonalds burger just cause you have cash to throw around. A $5 burger doesn't taste better because you pay 10 X for it. Same with Filipina pussy.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2787900]What have things come to when we are actually discussing 5 K Peso short time with a Filipina that doesn't even include BBFS? Its okay to have money. Without boasting, I have a mid 7 figure USD Net worth and can easily afford it but I find it ridiculous to travel to third world shithole and pay first world prices. Just for reference, short time with a cute young Thai girl in Singapore would cost around 140-200 SGD ($100-150 USD) and that's 90 minutes, two shots, BBBJ and CFS. Depending on the girl other things like Anal and CIM etc are often on the menu.

[/QUOTE]Hear, hear. Overpaying is for insecure guys. Besides I often find filipino pussy pricing inversely correlated with the performance level. A good rule of thumb in any market is to pay 10 x the local price of a haircut for an ST. I see the haircuts now go for P 50-60 so we are already grossly overpaying at the P 1-1. 5 K level.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2787900]What have things come to when we are actually discussing 5 K Peso short time with a Filipina that doesn't even include BBFS? Its okay to have money. Without boasting, I have a mid 7 figure USD Net worth and can easily afford it but I find it ridiculous to travel to third world shithole and pay first world prices. Just for reference, short time with a cute young Thai girl in Singapore would cost around 140-200 SGD ($100-150 USD) and that's 90 minutes, two shots, BBBJ and CFS. Depending on the girl other things like Anal and CIM etc are often on the menu.

The Philippines is the place I go for either large variety with guaranteed BBFS (easier here than anywhere else in the world) at a reasonable price (under 100 USD all night or less than 50 USD ST) or to hook up with dating site girls. With all due respect to come here and pay 5000 or 8000 or 10000 Peso for an average fuck is like paying $50 for a Mcdonalds burger just cause you have cash to throw around. A $5 burger doesn't taste better because you pay 10 X for it. Same with Filipina pussy.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The market is getting overpriced. To many visitors coming here and playing Mr. Big and throwing cash around. In reality the girls willingly grab the money and think the guy is a fool.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2787900]What have things come to when we are actually discussing 5 K Peso short time with a Filipina that doesn't even include BBFS? Its okay to have money. Without boasting, I have a mid 7 figure USD Net worth and can easily afford it but I find it ridiculous to travel to third world shithole and pay first world prices. Just for reference, short time with a cute young Thai girl in Singapore would cost around 140-200 SGD ($100-150 USD) and that's 90 minutes, two shots, BBBJ and CFS. Depending on the girl other things like Anal and CIM etc are often on the menu.

The Philippines is the place I go for either large variety with guaranteed BBFS (easier here than anywhere else in the world) at a reasonable price (under 100 USD all night or less than 50 USD ST) or to hook up with dating site girls. With all due respect to come here and pay 5000 or 8000 or 10000 Peso for an average fuck is like paying $50 for a Mcdonalds burger just cause you have cash to throw around. A $5 burger doesn't taste better because you pay 10 X for it. Same with Filipina pussy.[/QUOTE]Yes, It is increasingly unattractive to plan just for our hobby now. I had been to cebu during May 2022. I had a few good memories (through social networking). But paid scene had gone downhill. I love travel, classic(jakarta indonesia) if I wish multiple point and shoot scene. Somehow I haven't had a good worthy punt at manila.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2787756]Check out the website for pricing. It varies by girl. And it is ST. Also see FAQ for rules. BBBJ but not BBFS is the standard. And YES, very service oriented was my experience.[/QUOTE]Because I do not see any info on BBBJ and / or BBFS. The closest info I see is this:

"Do your escorts provide GFE service?

Yes, they do, but remember that hygiene plays a key role in ensuring that you have a great time with our models. ".

Here is the link to the FAQ: [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/faqs-2/[/URL].

Thanks for any additional info you have about them.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2787912]Agreed. The market is getting overpriced. To many visitors coming here and playing Mr. Big and throwing cash around. In reality the girls willingly grab the money and think the guy is a fool.[/QUOTE]Its first time tourist raising these prices. I don't know how many girls text me some first time toursit from USA. Australia. Europe going bat shit crazy when they enter the bar. There is much more exposer now to our monger destination's online than there has ever been. Men watch this stuff and dream. Save up all year and get a 20 year old hottie on their lap and they go insane. You must remember allot of these guys never had women like that even when they were young. So yes they go ape shit crazy. Girls told me of a recent American, takes 3 girl's, tipped waitress 5000 and gave the girls 10 K each plus the barfines and drinks, and that was his first night! My friend said she gets 2 k to a 5 k tip on a regular basis and that's no barfine. Easy to say these newbie's need to calm down but when stuck in some pussy prison country, easier said than done.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2788055]Its first time tourist raising these prices. I don't know how many girls text me some first time toursit from USA. Australia. Europe going bat shit crazy when they enter the bar. There is much more exposer now to our monger destination's online than there has ever been. Men watch this stuff and dream. Save up all year and get a 20 year old hottie on their lap and they go insane. You must remember allot of these guys never had women like that even when they were young. So yes they go ape shit crazy. Girls told me of a recent American, takes 3 girl's, tipped waitress 5000 and gave the girls 10 K each plus the barfines and drinks, and that was his first night! My friend said she gets 2 k to a 5 k tip on a regular basis and that's no barfine. Easy to say these newbie's need to calm down but when stuck in some pussy prison country, easier said than done.[/QUOTE]Concur. Very few places in the world a guy will get a young girl cheap. Only in Philippines. This irrespective of looks, age, well dressed, smelling good. Even in USA a hooker has her standards. She will pick and choose who she goes out with if she is not a drug addict, ugly, over the hill. Some guys go hung ho and throw money like crazy not knowing they can get better deal with less money. We all were enamored when we came first time to Philippines for mongering. But things were dirt cheap at that time. People were poorer and seemingly normal girl had no choice but to work in bars and go with everyone to make a living. Now girls come to make lots of money with people bragging and spending like crazy. Downside is this creates inflation for everyone else. Leads to lap dance only, drinks only, no barfine, . When I first went to Philippines there was no tipping in the morning. Girls told me there is no need to give extra money. Now hands come out for tip.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2788099]Concur....Some guys go hung ho and throw money like crazy not knowing they can get better deal with less money.

We all were enamored when we came first time to Philippines for mongering. But things were dirt cheap at that time. People were poorer and seemingly normal girl had no choice but to work in bars and go with everyone to make a living..[/QUOTE]I use to get bitter and twisted over newbies coming in, throwing money around, and spoiling the market. Now I realise it's actually a benefit as they attract the cuties and a critical mass of girls in one place who will still happily accept 1 k from a known resident or old contact when the Warrior has gone and the rent is due. While one girl may be busy with the newbie, there are always many others to choose from. Does anyone really get concerned because one girl isn't available??

In many ways nothing has changed. 30 years ago, PH was a remote, difficult and expensive place to get too. If the same effort is out into getting to less travelled provinces, then the same fresh, cheap and eager girls are available. Now, as then, they only seek a pittance, if anything at all, and will say thanks in all the right ways. It's only the areas withing reach of discount flights and wide eyes travellers that have been negatively affected.

When in doubt, go west young man!!

Enjoy. G.

Does anybody know a clinic to get a prescription for viagra in Ermita area? Or better yet, does anybody know a pharmacy that does not require prescription for viagra in Ermita. I'm visiting in two weeks. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2787900]The Philippines is the place I go for either large variety with guaranteed BBFS (easier here than anywhere else in the world) at a reasonable price (under 100 USD all night or less than 50 USD ST) or to hook up with dating site girls. With all due respect to come here and pay 5000 or 8000 or 10000 Peso for an average fuck is like paying $50 for a Mcdonalds burger just cause you have cash to throw around. A $5 burger doesn't taste better because you pay 10 X for it. Same with Filipina pussy.[/QUOTE]Respectfully EA, that's a generalization. Those prices don't apply everywhere in Phils. 10 k for Burgos girls is the norm, which hasn't changed in the past decade. 5 k in AC has become a norm, with sketchy service, which is quite a change. Both of those areas combined involve less than a 1000 girls. So many other options are available in Phils, for less money.

The dividing issue is that there are limited options for the vacationing warrior, and Burgos / AC are the quickest and easiest ways to get satisfaction in the shortest time. That they are the most expensive options has not changed. As long as the Koreans are flooding AC, you will see the higher prices there. Factor in the death of EDSA and the loss of girls there, and prices go up. Those who have more time on their hands and are not worried about occasional failure / denial / rejection, will do better on prices. Guys who are on a time leash need a girl TONIGHT, and pay for the convenience.

BTW, I previously recommended all punters head directly to AC, as NCR was still insisting on covid rules in public places. That appears to have disappeared. You may go maskless almost anywhere now, and most hotels / condos have reverted their guest policy back to taking the ID of the girl and allowing her up. Get in there, get a week in both places, get some mocha flesh.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2787911]Hear, hear. Overpaying is for insecure guys. Besides I often find filipino pussy pricing inversely correlated with the performance level. A good rule of thumb in any market is to pay 10 x the local price of a haircut for an ST. I see the haircuts now go for P 50-60 so we are already grossly overpaying at the P 1-1. 5 K level.[/QUOTE]Have never heard that haircut thing before. Assuming that is a rule of thumb, where in Makati or Malate are you getting a haircut for p50? Street salons are at 150-300, and mall salons are 500 for a simple buzz cut. I routinely get my hair cut in the province for p150, and a mate chides me there because he gets it for p80.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2787911]Besides I often find filipino pussy pricing inversely correlated with the performance level.[/QUOTE]Concur. I find a higher percentage of star-fishing from high-priced guapas. Or additionally she has other requirements (time constraint, such as 1 pop or 1 hour), or must have a condom, or such.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2787912]Agreed. The market is getting overpriced.[/QUOTE]Concur, the covid price jump in some places outmatched other inflationary price jumps. Nobody mentioned that during pandemic, prices mostly plummeted (read Beavis: Can of sardines) for those of us here. Now the floodgates opened to only a trickle of week-long warriors (see below, DOT), they are paying a premium. I think the premium has to do with an influx of money in the areas where the price jumped:

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2787912]To many visitors coming here and playing Mr. Big and throwing cash around. In reality the girls willingly grab the money and think the guy is a fool.[/QUOTE]Mr. Big is Korean. While I rarely carry more than 10 K on me (from the ATM to my place, where I lock up half of it; 10 k lasts 4-5 days), they carry 50 K (or more) and dump it in a day. They exchange their K-won for pesos at the mall money changer, walking out with half a million or more pesos. I saw 3 of them walk out of a mall money changer with a combined p6+ million; it took them 15 minutes just to count it to their satisfaction before departing (just guessing that they contacted the mall money changer a day or so prior to let them know that they would later be changing LARGE). He's not playing Big, he IS Big. I am sure Napa has similar stories of the AC K's.

OTOH, DOT numbers (previously posted here) show that last year's visitors count was just under 1 million (Feb 2022 thru December 2022), versus 2019's 8+ million visitors. Its the gringos that are shying away. When they do show up, they are playing catch-up to Mr. K.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2787913]Yes, It is increasingly unattractive to plan just for our hobby now.[/QUOTE]I agree. Thailand appears to be the call. Patts. Phils is a terrible place for the game. Leave the pinay alone for me and my handful of medical associates to vaccinate.

Pics of several lasses I've been having for some time, including the past few months.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2788203]Respectfully EA, that's a generalization. Those prices don't apply everywhere in Phils. 10 k for Burgos girls is the norm, which hasn't changed in the past decade. 5 k in AC has become a norm, with sketchy service, which is quite a change. Both of those areas combined involve less than a 1000 girls. So many other options are available in Phils, for less money.

The dividing issue is that there are limited options for the vacationing warrior, and Burgos / AC are the quickest and easiest ways to get satisfaction in the shortest time. That they are the most expensive options has not changed. As long as the Koreans are flooding AC, you will see the higher prices there. Factor in the death of EDSA and the loss of girls there, and prices go up. Those who have more time on their hands and are not worried about occasional failure / denial / rejection, will do better on prices. Guys who are on a time leash need a girl TONIGHT, and pay for the convenience.

.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you. The PI is still a third world country where the average wage in a store or restaurant is 300 peso per day. That involves standing for 10 hours. The barrier to entry into sex work is not very high. So there is still exists an unlimited deep pool of pussy but Burgos street bars is not the place to find it. Nor is AC anymore, sadly. The true gems will be found either online or through normal channels. But that of course requires some more time on the ground, some game, and some confidence. I had my pick of beauties in Cebu that were total non pros and totally happy with 1000 to 1500 Peso gifts.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2788203]Mr. Big is Korean. While I rarely carry more than 10 K on me (from the ATM to my place, where I lock up half of it; 10 k lasts 4-5 days), they carry 50 K (or more) and dump it in a day. They exchange their K-won for pesos at the mall money changer, walking out with half a million or more pesos. I saw 3 of them walk out of a mall money changer with a combined p6+ million; it took them 15 minutes just to count it to their satisfaction before departing (just guessing that they contacted the mall money changer a day or so prior to let them know that they would later be changing LARGE). He's not playing Big, he IS Big. I am sure Napa has similar stories of the AC K's.
[/QUOTE]I've witnessed K customers literally throwing 1 k bills from the second floor down to the stage at Club XS. They're nuts and just show boating. The other problem I've experienced on why the girls prefer K customer's in addition to the money is that girls have said they're quick and smaller than average.

Also witnessed a K customer at a casino a few years back at Newport Resort World, sitting there with a stack about 2 inches high of 1 k pesos and just burning through the money like they were 50 peso bills. Crazy.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2787425]How I wish it was possible to offer a business where an experienced monger (such as myself) has a vetted list of slim girls that will make this work.

A) Meet the visitor at the airport, accompany him to hotel. Flirting in the car. Assist with check-in.

B1) Take monger to 3-4 bars or.

B2) Arrange dinner dates with vetted list of tall hot spinners.

C) Ensure he scores.

Could easily do this with a vetted list of 10 girls which can be rotated through the various visitors over the months given most people are 1-2 week visits in this market.[/QUOTE]I kid you not, I would happily pay through the nose for a service like this. Wish we had something akin to Japan's Universe Club for every country!

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2787590]Plan be wasn't the best before it closed, that's why I've not been back since it reopened. You made me laugh with comment about girls standing on stage looking bored, that's exactly what used to happen previously!

Shame you didn't have a good time though, there are some great places you can have a lot of fun with good looking girls.[/QUOTE]I can almost be ok with looking bored, but when two of them leaned back and started to take huge vape hits on stage, I couldn't help but start to laugh my ass off!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2788203]Respectfully EA, that's a generalization. Those prices don't apply everywhere in Phils. 10 k for Burgos girls is the norm, which hasn't changed in the past decade. 5 k in AC has become a norm, with sketchy service, which is quite a change. Both of those areas combined involve less than a 1000 girls. So many other options are available in Phils, for less money.

The dividing issue is that there are limited options for the vacationing warrior, and Burgos / AC are the quickest and easiest ways to get satisfaction in the shortest time. That they are the most expensive options has not changed. As long as the Koreans are flooding AC, you will see the higher prices there. Factor in the death of EDSA and the loss of girls there, and prices go up. Those who have more time on their hands and are not worried about occasional failure / denial / rejection, will do better on prices. Guys who are on a time leash need a girl TONIGHT, and pay for the convenience.
[/QUOTE]This was exactly was it for me. This trip was meant to be a mix of business and pleasure. Meet some of my employees and partners, then relax for a few days. The first three days of work with play as a side deal showed me everything I needed to know. My pleasure dollars were best spent elsewhere. PH seems like a better place for people who are time-rich than money-rich for now, so its just not going to be my cup of tea. I'll check back in a few years, maybe! .

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2788237]This was exactly was it for me. This trip was meant to be a mix of business and pleasure. Meet some of my employees and partners, then relax for a few days. The first three days of work with play as a side deal showed me everything I needed to know. My pleasure dollars were best spent elsewhere. PH seems like a better place for people who are time-rich than money-rich for now, so its just not going to be my cup of tea. I'll check back in a few years, maybe! .[/QUOTE]I paid 4000 p for girls to stay overnight all from dating sites. These girls were 19 - 21. I had a 25 yo willing to come for 3000 but she looked a little overweight and I like skinny girls. I had a few offers of 5000 but ended up going for repeats because they met my tastes and I'm happy to be with people of known performance. I'm sure some would come for less but these girls paid their own transport, others will ask for taxi or grab. I am sure a lot of older girls will settle for less but young and pretty are more difficult to persuade for a +60 yo. A hot model offered 10,000. A 19 yo off TANTAN I am working on for my return that is mainly interested in trying out a foreigner and some kinky sex fantasies. If you can get hot and slim for less than 4000 overnight in Manila then congrats but I was happy with the service and the package which is the only thing that matters for me.

[QUOTE=Zhangsan;2788234]I kid you not, I would happily pay through the nose for a service like this. Wish we had something akin to Japan's Universe Club for every country![/QUOTE]There have been a few such service providers over the years in various countries. Some very good. Jakarta After Dark jumps to mind. Others may know of PH based guides.

It would be a brave man to openly offer such services today. It would only be a matter of time before things went south. Most of the older ones ran well for a while then collapsed, often spectacularly.

Enjoy. G.

*Edit. I was referring to APs notion of a tour guide for mongers rather than a Sugar site. There are numerous Sugar or middleman sites available now.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2788203]

Have never heard that haircut thing before..[/QUOTE]I've also never used the haircut comparison. I've just used a nights stay of an equivalent standard as the girl. $200 for a nice girl / room in a big city down to $30 for begars can't be choosers out of town.

It's an approximate match and a good starting point.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2788321]I've also never used the haircut comparison. I've just used a nights stay of an equivalent standard as the girl. $200 for a nice girl / room in a big city down to $30 for begars can't be choosers out of town.

It's an approximate match and a good starting point.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I too have never ever heard of the haircut comparison chart.

There really isn't a commodity comparison chart. Some may use a rule of thumb but that is all it is. It always boils down to, is it worth it to you or not at that moment in time?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2788557]I too have never ever heard of the haircut comparison chart.
There really isn't a commodity comparison chart. Some may use a rule of thumb but that is all it is. [/QUOTE]Mr Strawman, if you read my OP that's what I called it: "a good rule of thumb". It's supposed to be a loose, lighthearted indicator for pussy pricing, and perhaps not autistically interpretated as a hard rule.

Good luck on proving a negative BTW.

As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.

[QUOTE=Nsugen;2789279]As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.[/QUOTE]It has been addressed many times over previous reports. Please read the reports.

Genetically majority of Filipinas grow fat around their shoulders, face, belly and upper part of the body.

Rarely seldom fat deposits lower part of body unlike Africans.

Booty is the last thing grows on Filipinas sadly.

I also prefer coke google shape but safely they are hard to come by.

Indonesian and Thais have high chance of growing booties and thighs.

[QUOTE=Nsugen;2789279]As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nsugen;2789279]As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.[/QUOTE]Nsugen, send me a PM, I have some thoughts for you.

Good evening gents. One of my twiglets before the ditty. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2788044]Because I do not see any info on BBBJ and / or BBFS. The closest info I see is this:

"Do your escorts provide GFE service?

Yes, they do, but remember that hygiene plays a key role in ensuring that you have a great time with our models. ".

Here is the link to the FAQ: [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/faqs-2/[/URL].

Thanks for any additional info you have about them.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. Thought it was in the FAQ, but it was probably in a communication from "Jennifer" who handles the booking. Anyway, if it's BB you seek I don't recommend Manila Courtesans.

After nearly 24 hours of planes, trains and automobiles, I was excited to touch down in Manila. It's 10 years since I last visited Philippines and I was excited to be back. I took a metered cab from the airport and my driver was a jovial chap called Jimmy. Within five minutes he offered me 'beautiful girl for massage'. We passed the KTVs on Roxas Boulevard before pulling up to my hotel.

When I booked on Agoda there was a dearth of decent midrange hotels in the Ermita area, so I opted for Citystate Tower, a place I've stayed at before due to its proximity to LA Cafe. My room is decent but lacks two important things, a safe and a window. It does have aircon though, as I'm constantly reminded by the continual rumbling. I paid 9000 pesos for three nights, which seems a lot for the quality of the room. I don't mind too much because it's all about location in Manila for me.

After quickly unpacking and hiding my cash in a rolled-up sock, somewhere a would-be thief would never think to look, I headed out to meet my friend Macca. It was 11 pm and sleep was a tempting proposition but it was good to catch up over a quiet beer. We met at G point, on the opposite block to my hotel, a bar popular with expats as it has an extensive western food menu and a number of generally older freelance girls. I got my first wink of the trip from a foxy girl wearing double denim.

I was excited to enter LA Cafe, undoubtedly one of my favourite pay-for-play venues in Asia. To those that haven't been, it's a bar teeming with freelancers. We were shown to stools next to the circular bar and returned the glances and smiles of girls, standing three deep around us. It was 11.45 on a Thursday night and the place was packed. In fact it was exactly how I remembered it 10 years ago and the quality of girls similar too. A lot were not my cup of tea but there were plenty of foxy chicks and pretty younger ones too.

I've taken some great girls from here in the past and I knew I wouldn't struggle to over the next three nights.

A pretty 26 year old with curly hair told me that I was handsome, so I told her my fee is 1000 but for her I'd come down to 500. Sadly she didn't take me up on the offer. Despite the fact there are many, many eager girls, there is very little pressure for drinks. They just wait to be called over. Occasionally an older, more experienced girl will find an excuse to chat with you but generally it's a relaxed place. My San Miguel cost 130 pesos.

In past trips upstairs is the place to secure the prettiest girls. There is a 100 peso entrance charge and usually live music. We found a table and although there were a fraction of the number of girls, there is definitely some eye candy. On the next table a bald-headed European man was clinking glasses with a very pretty girl in a figure-hugging yellow top. Most of the prettiest girls on the second floor make a beeline to the area to the right of the stairs, where generally Korean customers congregate, lucrative targets for any business-savvy working girl.

It's worth pointing out though that the pretty girls 'do the rounds' in LA Cafe. They'll alternate between the floors, so you'll see them scouting customers in the bearpit on the ground floor too.

Macca (who I'm legally obliged to tell you isn't Paul McCartney) and I went back down to the ground floor and found stools next to the bar. The pretty 26 year old I chatted with earlier was chatting with a man with grey hair and an uncanny resemblance to Gary Glitter. A pretty blond dressed in all white with braces on her teeth told me her name was Cherry. To quote Britney, I bet she's not that innocent.

Fifteen minutes later two foxy older girls approached us, Charlene and Angelica, the latter of whom tempted me. She was probably late 20's but was a guaranteed good time.

As ever in places like this, it's like a game of blackjack. Stick or twist?

By 2 am the number of girls downstairs have thinned out, but that's not to say there aren't plenty to choose from. A table nearby had a group of young Korean men who were chatting with some nice girls. One of them kept smiling over to me who had a lovely face but slightly off-putting teeth. She had a cute, innocent looking friend who was a little bit chubby but had temptingly large tits.

Suddenly my long day of travel caught up with me so I decided it was time to take a girl.

One of the best girls I've ever met at LA Cafe was a dark-skinned girl I nicknamed Amazonian Princess due to her fabulous figure. She had big blowjob lips and provided me with some of the best sex I've ever had, as the fingernail scratches down my back proved. So when I saw a similar looking girl smiling at me from the other side of the bar I couldn't resist calling her over. Her name was Rosalyn, she was 28 from Mindanao, and was wearing a lacy top that showed off her skinny figure. She had a pretty face, a nose piercing and long curly hair.

It was time to talk numbers. She quoted me 3000 for short-time but immediately accepted my counter-offer of 2000. Ten minutes later we were showering back in my room.

She was very skinny with small tits. Amusingly, when we lay on the bed she told me that I smiled so much in the bar she thought I was gay! As a result I did feel a bit of pressure to prove to her over the next hour I wasn't. She was a fantastic kisser and soon I was pulling her red lacy knickers off.

She played 'How Do I Live Without You' by Leane Rhymes on her phone as I slowly slid in to her tight pussy. At first she was groaning and tightening her face but fifteen minutes later she was riding me confidently and kissing me passionately. As I'm a gentleman, after I shot my load I invited her to sit on my face. She really got in to it, grinding her pussy with vigour until she came.

Afterwards she was sleepy so I invited her to stay the night. She agreed, so the 2000 short-time we agreed in the bar ended up being for longtime. She was cuddly and affectionate, although if I'm being critical, she took far too much of the bed for such a small girl.

I drifted off to sleep with a smile on my face. It was good to be back in Philippines. This trip I'll be spending three nights in Manila, followed by trips to Angeles, Cebu and Coron, then a final week in Pattaya. Tonight had been a great start.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790340]After nearly 24 hours of planes, trains and automobiles, I was excited to touch down in Manila. It's 10 years since I last visited Philippines and I was excited to be back. I took a metered cab from the airport and my driver was a jovial chap called Jimmy. Within five minutes he offered me 'beautiful girl for massage'. We passed the KTVs on Roxas Boulevard before pulling up to my hotel.

When I booked on Agoda there was a dearth of decent midrange hotels in the Ermita area, so I opted for Citystate Tower, a place I've stayed at before due to its proximity to LA Cafe. My room is decent but lacks two important things, a safe and a window. It does have aircon though, as I'm constantly reminded by the continual rumbling. I paid 9000 pesos for three nights, which seems a lot for the quality of the room. I don't mind too much because it's all about location in Manila for me.

After quickly unpacking and hiding my cash in a rolled-up sock, somewhere a would-be thief would never think to look, I headed out to meet my friend Macca. It was 11 pm and sleep was a tempting proposition but it was good to catch up over a quiet beer. We met at G point, on the opposite block to my hotel, a bar popular with expats as it has an extensive western food menu and a number of generally older freelance girls. I got my first wink of the trip from a foxy girl wearing double denim.

I was excited to enter LA Cafe, undoubtedly one of my favourite pay-for-play venues in Asia. To those that haven't been, it's a bar teeming with freelancers. We were shown to stools next to the circular bar and returned the glances and smiles of girls, standing three deep around us. It was 11.45 on a Thursday night and the place was packed. In fact it was exactly how I remembered it 10 years ago and the quality of girls similar too. A lot were not my cup of tea but there were plenty of foxy chicks and pretty younger ones too.

I've taken some great girls from here in the past and I knew I wouldn't struggle to over the next three nights.

A pretty 26 year old with curly hair told me that I was handsome, so I told her my fee is 1000 but for her I'd come down to 500. Sadly she didn't take me up on the offer. Despite the fact there are many, many eager girls, there is very little pressure for drinks. They just wait to be called over. Occasionally an older, more experienced girl will find an excuse to chat with you but generally it's a relaxed place. My San Miguel cost 130 pesos.

In past trips upstairs is the place to secure the prettiest girls. There is a 100 peso entrance charge and usually live music. We found a table and although there were a fraction of the number of girls, there is definitely some eye candy. On the next table a bald-headed European man was clinking glasses with a very pretty girl in a figure-hugging yellow top. Most of the prettiest girls on the second floor make a beeline to the area to the right of the stairs, where generally Korean customers congregate, lucrative targets for any business-savvy working girl.

It's worth pointing out though that the pretty girls 'do the rounds' in LA Cafe. They'll alternate between the floors, so you'll see them scouting customers in the bearpit on the ground floor too.

Macca (who I'm legally obliged to tell you isn't Paul McCartney) and I went back down to the ground floor and found stools next to the bar. The pretty 26 year old I chatted with earlier was chatting with a man with grey hair and an uncanny resemblance to Gary Glitter. A pretty blond dressed in all white with braces on her teeth told me her name was Cherry. To quote Britney, I bet she's not that innocent.

Fifteen minutes later two foxy older girls approached us, Charlene and Angelica, the latter of whom tempted me. She was probably late 20's but was a guaranteed good time.

As ever in places like this, it's like a game of blackjack. Stick or twist?

By 2 am the number of girls downstairs have thinned out, but that's not to say there aren't plenty to choose from. A table nearby had a group of young Korean men who were chatting with some nice girls. One of them kept smiling over to me who had a lovely face but slightly off-putting teeth. She had a cute, innocent looking friend who was a little bit chubby but had temptingly large tits.

Suddenly my long day of travel caught up with me so I decided it was time to take a girl.

One of the best girls I've ever met at LA Cafe was a dark-skinned girl I nicknamed Amazonian Princess due to her fabulous figure. She had big blowjob lips and provided me with some of the best sex I've ever had, as the fingernail scratches down my back proved. So when I saw a similar looking girl smiling at me from the other side of the bar I couldn't resist calling her over. Her name was Rosalyn, she was 28 from Mindanao, and was wearing a lacy top that showed off her skinny figure. She had a pretty face, a nose piercing and long curly hair.

It was time to talk numbers. She quoted me 3000 for short-time but immediately accepted my counter-offer of 2000. Ten minutes later we were showering back in my room.

She was very skinny with small tits. Amusingly, when we lay on the bed she told me that I smiled so much in the bar she thought I was gay! As a result I did feel a bit of pressure to prove to her over the next hour I wasn't. She was a fantastic kisser and soon I was pulling her red lacy knickers off.

She played 'How Do I Live Without You' by Leane Rhymes on her phone as I slowly slid in to her tight pussy. At first she was groaning and tightening her face but fifteen minutes later she was riding me confidently and kissing me passionately. As I'm a gentleman, after I shot my load I invited her to sit on my face. She really got in to it, grinding her pussy with vigour until she came.

Afterwards she was sleepy so I invited her to stay the night. She agreed, so the 2000 short-time we agreed in the bar ended up being for longtime. She was cuddly and affectionate, although if I'm being critical, she took far too much of the bed for such a small girl.

I drifted off to sleep with a smile on my face. It was good to be back in Philippines. This trip I'll be spending three nights in Manila, followed by trips to Angeles, Cebu and Coron, then a final week in Pattaya. Tonight had been a great start.[/QUOTE]Congrats on your return after 10 years. 10 years is a long time and so does inflation. 2000 with a cutie turned into a LT is certainly not the norm anymore, not even close. Unless she just really really liked you or you're Brad Pitts twin I wouldn't expect a repeat of that. Certainly not in Makati and bars on Burgos, girls would be insulted with that price. Girls in the bars get regular tips that much with no barfine. Anyway, welcome back and good hunting.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790340]
I drifted off to sleep with a smile on my face. It was good to be back in Philippines. This trip I'll be spending three nights in Manila, followed by trips to Angeles, Cebu and Coron, then a final week in Pattaya. Tonight had been a great start.[/QUOTE]Welcome back. Great report. I nominate this as a Report of Distinction.

Hi folks.

Do any board members have insight on a pharmacy in Ermita where I can pick up Cialis or Viagra without a prescription?

I know there are some pharmacies that offer this, I'm just hoping I can avoid going to a dozen locations until I locate one.

Thanks for any advice.

Simon.

After waving Rosalyn goodbye I spent an enjoyable afternoon doing some sightseeing with Macca. I walked through Rizal Park (the Chinese gardens are particularly nice) to Intramuros, the old town with lots of Spanish architecture. We visited the cathedral, Fort Santiago and stopped for numerous refreshment breaks.

If the architecture doesn't interest you, there are lots of pretty Filipinas to admire. I noticed one filming me on her phone as I was walking past so, much to her amusement, put my arm around her and gave her a selfie of us both I'm sure she'll treasure forever.

By the time we got back to our hotels, Macca's fitbit said we'd walked 5 miles. I bought a few big bottles of water and snacks for my room from the 7 Eleven next to my hotel and had a lazy couple of hours in my room.

Soon it was time to shower and shave and head out for another night in Manila. We were due to start for a drink at the intriguingly named Oarhouse but Macca intercepted me on the street outside and told me it wasn't our scene, just a lot of old Korean men chain-smoking. So we went to the equally intriguingly named Bedrock for a beer instead, an outdoor court surrounded by bars.

Korea Town seems quite an interesting part of town, with lots of bars, KTVs and places advertising 24 Hour Massage. With more time in the city I'd be tempted to visit some of these establishments, all in the name of investigative journalism of course. Just the phrase KTV makes my wallet shudder in fear and I suspect the most you can have at the massage place is an overpriced handjob. Happy to be proved wrong though.

Manila feels edgy at night. The streets are dark, young kids thrust their hands out looking for a few pesos and freelancers call 'Hello, mister' from dark corners. I love it. I always try to have a few coins in my back pocket to give them. The kids, not the streetwalkers.

We entered LA Cafe at 9 pm and were shown to stools that weren't ideally located, in a narrow part of the bar. Much better to sit somewhere where you can see lots of girls standing around, trying to meet your glance. In the past I've had quite a bit of success standing near the pool tables on the ground floor. You pretend to watch the pool but really you are looking at the girls who usually always go in to the female toilet to freshen up when they arrive.

It was Friday night and although the place was busy, the male to female ratio had swung significantly in favour of the girls. There were at least double the number of guys. Perhaps Friday night is when a lot of the expats come out to play.

We went upstairs and scored the best table, facing the top of the steps. It gives the ideal vantage point to make eye contact with pretty girls before anyone else. Well that's the theory anyway, a lot of the prettiest have tunnel vision and turn right immediately towards the Korean section. It's quite a funny spectacle. They'll line up at the side and wait to be summoned to sit next to a Korean customer for half an hour of zero conversation. It all seems very businesslike and boring to me, but I can't blame the girls wanting to make as much money as possible.

Our perfect table immediately yielded results. A very pretty girl confidently approached and introduced herself as Precious. She was a lovely girl but I got the impression was more interested in introducing us to her less good-looking friend. She quickly moved to the next table where her advances worked on a young Korean man.

Shortly afterwards I saw a standout girl reach the top of the stairs. She had the face of an angel and a fantastic figure, one of the most beautiful girls I've seen in a long time. I smiled and she came to my table.

'My name Keisha' she said.

'I'm Lance' I said, struggling to contain my excitement.

'Where you from?

'China'. She laughed and I told her England. Her next question surprised me.

'Are you here for girl?

'Yes. You'.

'Oh okay. Problem is my fee is 7000, is that okay?

'How many days is that for?' I joked and she punched me on the arm.

'How much you give?' she asked.

I told her I would think about it. 'Okay, I go now, look out for me' she said. For at least the next two hours I watched as she worked the room and weaved her magic on customers, mainly older Koreans, but it was noticeable that she didn't leave with any.

I found our conversation interesting. Firstly she didn't waste any time getting down to business, asking if I was looking for a girl. Pretty girls like her don't want their time wasted with idle chit-chat. Secondly I know that the prettiest girls sometimes ask for 5000 at LA Cafe but I've never heard of 7000. I'm not a giddy first-timer in Asia and I promise you, this girl is one of the prettiest I've ever seen. I presume she feels she can ask for what she likes and eventually someone will pay.

It was interesting how apologetic she sounded when she quoted the price ('problem is my price is 7000', is that okay? And then immediately asked what I'd like to pay. I reckon she deliberately quotes high fully expecting to be haggled down to 5000, which she'll happily take. It's a high price but she's a stunner for sure.

By midnight upstairs was packed, as a band belted out cover versions. 'Alone' by Heart was played, which I found ironic.

I went to the toilet and felt on edge when the toilet attendant started massaging my shoulders as I washed my hands. Ten years ago this happened and the 'masseur' placed his hands either side of my head and quickly wrenched my neck left and right, making it click loudly. I thought he was trying to assassinate me.

Last night I sat at the circular bar next to a pretty girl with wavy hair and she acted off with me. I have no idea why as I didn't even talk to her but each time I glanced in her direction she gave me the evils. Tonight she was a different person though and flashed me a big smile and came over to talk.

'Why you angry with me last night?' I asked.

'I was in baaaaaaad mood last night' she replied, before pointing to her cute but slightly chubby friend. 'You like?' I've noticed a lot of the prettier girls act as talent agent for their friends. After she left, Macca said he'd like to go with her but feared she eat him alive.

There were other pretty girls too. A tall skinny blond walked past several times, scouting the room. A girl I was flirting with yesterday was sat nearby with a customer so I pretended to cry which made her laugh. A cute girl with a sweet and innocent appeal kept positioning herself close but I was put off by her slightly chunky thighs.

'I would be a really good hooker' mused Macca but before I had chance to ask why, a familiar face reappeared. It was Precious from earlier in the night, this time without her friend. Earlier in the night I was put off as she seemed too pro but now she was fun and flirty, laughing and high-fiving at every opportunity. I bought her an expensive drink (400 pesos) and knew I'd found my girl.

She asked for 4000 for short-time but accepted 3000. She was definitely one of the prettier girls so I suspected she wouldn't go too low. Haggling too hard affects service in my experience.

It was only as we were taking the five minute walk back to my hotel that I realised how small she was. 'I'm four foot eleven' she told me.

She undressed as soon as she entered my room, revealing a sexy body and small tits. I lay next to her on the bed and immediately she unzipped my shorts and gave me a nice blowjob, getting me hard and ready for action. As I rolled a condom on she said 'wow you so big'. I'm not big by western standards but it's always nice hearing a girl say so, not least because it suggests she hasn't been with many western men. 'Go slowly' she added as I slid in to her tight pussy.

At first I was gentle with her as she tightened her face like she was in pain, but five minutes later I was giving her a good pounding as she kissed me passionately. My room has got an armchair so I sat on that and she rode me as I sucked her erect nipples. As she was so small I grabbed her arse-cheeks and lifted her up, fucking her as I was standing up. She seemed to really get in to it, wrapping her legs around me and thrusting her hips at me before groaning like she'd had an orgasm.

I lowered her on to the bed and fucked her in mish again but I find it easiest to come with the girl on top. She looked exceptionally pretty as she rocked her hips on mine, bringing me to a shuddering climax. 'I cum twice' she said proudly. Great session.

She happily agreed to pose for photos and I sent her on her way with a tip in her purse.

The night had a twist. I went to bed and fell asleep almost straight away. I'd been asleep for a few hours when I was woken by the phone next to my bed. It was reception informing me Precious had returned as she'd left a bracelet in my room. I had to laugh, it was a cheap one with beads, not really worth walking me up for!

On the bright side though, I got a few more kisses from her and her parting words were 'I fuck you again tomorrow'.

At about 4 am I felt sick and rushed to the bathroom. I was vomiting for half an hour before I returned to bed. I slept maybe an hour and then I was sick again. Over the course of the night I must have made five rushed visits to the bathroom. I assume it must have been caused by food poisoning. I ate very little today so either it was the sisig at lunch or the cheese toastie from the 7 Eleven later. Or maybe ice from the iced coffee in Intramuros.

Unsurprisingly it made a big impact on my day. I had planned to spend the day with Macca doing sightseeing but instead I lay in bed until 3. 30 in the afternoon. When I eventually felt well enough to get up I went to a nearby Mercury Drugstore and purchased sickness tablets.

Being up and about felt good so I walked to Robinsons and got myself a cold drink. It was Saturday afternoon and the mall was busy. I remember in previous trips the French Baker being stated as a good place to pick up freelancers, as it is located near the Adriatico entrance and has seating outside. I'm not sure whether that still applies these days. According to the forum freelancers tend to congregate around the main entrance.

I noticed that Amazonia is closed, which used to be a bar with a short time hotel above. Despite the fact it was a dive, I have fond recollections of the place and have been with some great girls in this building, now boarded up. I felt sad seeing the faded paint of its garish exterior.

Although I wasn't feeling 100% and hadn't eaten all day, I didn't want to waste my last night in Manila. I took another tablet and headed out in to the night. Walking along Mabini Street I passed two middle aged Korean men, both with exceptionally pretty girls at their side. The time was only 8. 30 so I assume they'd picked them up from one of the KTV joints.

My destination for the evening though was of course LA Cafe. As I neared it on MH Del Pilar Street I heard 'Lance, Lance!' shouted from the opposite side of the street. It was the Precious who I went with last night.

'Are you following me?' I joked.

She looked good and I said I'd meet her inside the bar later. Speaking of which, can anyone explain why LA Cafe has a life-size statue of a cow outside?

Macca and I secured stools opposite the entrance, a good place to see girls as they first arrive. I bought myself a bottle of water, as I didn't want to risk alcohol tonight and barely had I drank a few mouthfuls Precious appeared in front of me, marking her territory by kissing me on the lips.

My intention tonight had been to find another girl but but taking girls a second time never disappoints. She looked dazzling once again, with a very pretty smile, long silky hair, perfect eyebrows and flawless skin. Just a naturally sexy girl, dressed modestly in a brown dress. She was a lot of fun too, laughing manically at my jokes and singing to the songs the DJ was playing. We duetted a particularly rousing version of Starship's 'Nothing's going to Stop Us Now'. I found it amusing singing 'if this world runs out of lovers, we'll still have each other' to a sexy freelancer I'd only met one night ago.

Thumbs up for the music in LA Cafe, good selection, mainly 80's and 90's and at a volume so it's easy to chat.

I bought her a drink and asked her whether she gets any money for it. She told me girls don't get a cut, the bar gets all of the money. I wondered why that would be the case, then imagined how different it would be if LA Cafe had the same rules as a Thai style beer-bar for example. Girls would hassle customers for drinks relentlessly and one of the best things about LA Cafe is the lack of pressure from girls. They just stand around, smiling sweetly.

Ten minutes after Macca went back to his hotel to watch a football match from back home, Precious and I walked back to my hotel.

'Aha same girl tonight' the security guard said approvingly as he took her ID. They shared a joke in Tagalog and as we took the lift up to the third floor, she informed he'd told her not to forget her bracelet this time.

She wouldn't stop singing songs once we got to my room. She put soppy music on her phone and as she was giving me a blowjob would stop to sing the chorus to me, erection in hand. It was quite comical. She was sucking me expertly, then would stop to sing 'be my, be my baby'. Who says romance is dead?

The sex was great and we did lots of different positions to the night before, including doggy. She asked me to go slow which defeats the point of doggy in my opinion, but I did as I was told. When I asked her 'what your favourite position, you choose' she said 'me on top' and rode me expertly to a climax.

After she showered I watched her get changed and gave her the agreed 3000 pesos, plus tip. She'd been a great girl to spend time with.

Tomorrow I go to Angeles. Apart from the food poisoning I've had a great time in Manila. I was half expecting to be let down by LA Cafe but it is as good as ever, jam-packed with eager girls, many of them pretty and even a few outstanding ones. It remains one of my favourite bars in Asia.

This diary will continue on the Angeles thread.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790884]I remember in previous trips the French Baker being stated as a good place to pick up freelancers, as it is located near the Adriatico entrance and has seating outside. I'm not sure whether that still applies these days. According to the forum freelancers tend to congregate around the main entrance.[/QUOTE]The French Baker is not a good place to pick up FL. Starbucks is choice, at the Pedro Gil entrance; sit at the tables inside the mall and face the atrium (the area where the Christmas tree is placed; pic attached).

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790884]I noticed that Amazonia is closed, which used to be a bar with a short time hotel above. Despite the fact it was a dive, I have fond recollections of the place and have been with some great girls in this building, now boarded up. I felt sad seeing the faded paint of its garish exterior.[/QUOTE]Amazonia caught fire and burned about 5 years ago. It closed for good a year or so prior. Also good memories playing pool there, and there was a regular live band that played 70's rock-and-roll.

You previously mentioned Bedrock bar. Its at the base of Birch Tower on Bocobo St. The bar area is called Belagio Square. Pic attached. Bedrock bar was previously on Adriatico St, it too burned about 7 years ago.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790884]
I noticed that Amazonia is closed, which used to be a bar with a short time hotel above. Despite the fact it was a dive, I have fond recollections of the place and have been with some great girls in this building, now boarded up. I felt sad seeing the faded paint of its garish exterior.

LA Cafe but it is as good as ever, jam-packed with eager girls, many of them pretty and even a few outstanding ones. It remains one of my favourite bars in Asia.
.[/QUOTE]Amazonia was also one of my faves getting BBBJs during football halftime in the upstairs bar. Sad to see it go. As for LA Cafe, yes, occasionally one finds a goodie. Cheers, buddy.

[QUOTE=SimonSays;2790607]Hi folks.

Do any board members have insight on a pharmacy in Ermita where I can pick up Cialis or Viagra without a prescription?

I know there are some pharmacies that offer this, I'm just hoping I can avoid going to a dozen locations until I locate one.

Thanks for any advice.

Simon.[/QUOTE]Contact me in PM, I know a place.

So I read through a few threads but couldn't find much about the massage parlors. I went to airforce1 and it was closed. Tried wilderness, and man those body to body massages are a different experience. Get a good nut right after was awesome. Good selection, about 10 girls all good looking. Damage? 5 k. I tried Kremlin the next day, and although the place seemed better I only got to choose from 4 girls, and she was pleasant but not the best experience. Went back to wilderness and picked #13, she was clean shaved, did BBBJ after some body to body massage, scrubbed me down and I got me to finish in like 15 minutes. No extra charge for BBBJ. Other girls were really negotiating it heavily. I've seen some beautiful girls at the mall and just anywhere but can't imagine how I would pick one of them up. I'll stick to massage parlors. Although I'll tell you, coming from mongering in Mexico, seems like I'm paying alot. I'm not cheap, but I'm used to some good quality for half the price. Anyhow, I recommend wilderness, choose the 2500 room that has the body to body massage. It's a good experience!

[QUOTE=Ss300;2791549]So I read through a few threads but couldn't find much about the massage parlors. I went to airforce1 and it was closed. Tried wilderness, and man those body to body massages are a different experience. Get a good nut right after was awesome. Good selection, about 10 girls all good looking. Damage? 5 k. I tried Kremlin the next day, and although the place seemed better I only got to choose from 4 girls, and she was pleasant but not the best experience. Went back to wilderness and picked #13, she was clean shaved, did BBBJ after some body to body massage, scrubbed me down and I got me to finish in like 15 minutes. No extra charge for BBBJ. Other girls were really negotiating it heavily. I've seen some beautiful girls at the mall and just anywhere but can't imagine how I would pick one of them up. I'll stick to massage parlors. Although I'll tell you, coming from mongering in Mexico, seems like I'm paying alot. I'm not cheap, but I'm used to some good quality for half the price. Anyhow, I recommend wilderness, choose the 2500 room that has the body to body massage. It's a good experience![/QUOTE]So you are paying P2,500 for a massage plus P5,000 for a girl then some are paying extra?

I pickup dating site girls for P2 k all up and they stay all night.

I think you are playing the wrong game in Manila.

If it suits you, try pinalove, tinder and have someone stay over for a less.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2790971]Contact me in PM, I know a place.[/QUOTE]Mercury Pharmacies will all sell without prescription.

5 k total. They charge what ever the massage costs. So if the room / massage is 2500, youll be paying 5 k total. I'm not familiar with the dating sites, but would be down to try it.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2791576]So you are paying P2,500 for a massage plus P5,000 for a girl then some are paying extra?

I pickup dating site girls for P2 k all up and they stay all night.

I think you are playing the wrong game in Manila.

If it suits you, try pinalove, tinder and have someone stay over for a less.[/QUOTE].

A 34 yo New Zealand tourist was shot dead in Makati on Sunday night. About 1:30 am. With his Filipina by his side.

Two robbers demanded his stuff at gunpoint. He apparently went for the gun and got shot.

It happened in Makati but was on the wrong side of the Skyway.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;2792037]A 34 yo New Zealand tourist was shot dead in Makati on Sunday night. About 1:30 am. With his Filipina by his side.

Two robbers demanded his stuff at gunpoint. He apparently went for the gun and got shot.

It happened in Makati but was on the wrong side of the Skyway.[/QUOTE]Note to everyone here. Just give over your phone and any cash. It's a lot cheaper.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;2792037]A 34 yo New Zealand tourist was shot dead in Makati on Sunday night. About 1:30 am. With his Filipina by his side.

Two robbers demanded his stuff at gunpoint. He apparently went for the gun and got shot.

It happened in Makati but was on the wrong side of the Skyway.[/QUOTE]Word of caution. Sometimes the girls are in on this. Never ever walk on the street past midnight. Take a cab even if it is walkable distance. None of the bystanders intervene if you are being robbed. Do not be a hero. Just handover your money. Carry only local money enough for your nightly excursion. Do not take your wallet, do not wear jewellery, expensive watch. Do not flash your cell phone. Although violent robbing is rare ending in death. Maybe this guy wanted to be an hero in front of the girl.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2790340]



After quickly unpacking and hiding my cash in a rolled-up sock, somewhere a would-be thief would never think to look, I headed out to meet my friend Macca. It was 11 pm and sleep was a tempting proposition but it was good to catch up over a quiet beer. We met at G point, on the opposite block to my hotel, a bar popular with expats as it has an extensive western food menu and a number of generally older freelance girls. I got my first wink of the trip from a foxy girl wearing double denim.
.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great review. Good to know G point is still going. 7 years since I have been to Manila. I really need to get back LOL.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2790913]

Amazonia caught fire and burned about 5 years ago. It closed for good a year or so prior. Also good memories playing pool there, and there was a regular live band that played 70's rock-and-roll.

[/QUOTE]I always check out the state of the old Amazonia bar whenever I am in Manila: here it is as of a few months ago.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2794292]I always check out the state of the old Amazonia bar whenever I am in Manila: here it is as of a few months ago.[/QUOTE]After it burned, it was used as a flea market for a year or two. But that shut down and its been closed since at least the start of Covid. Ahhhhh. . . The good old daze.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;2792037]A 34 yo New Zealand tourist was shot dead in Makati on Sunday night. About 1:30 am. With his Filipina by his side.

Two robbers demanded his stuff at gunpoint. He apparently went for the gun and got shot.

It happened in Makati but was on the wrong side of the Skyway.[/QUOTE]Makati is safe but it is also a business district and therefore not many people there at night especially walking. That means it is good for robbers. At night I would feel more safe walking in shadier bar filled party areas where there are always people on the streets. Not a good idea to walk those quiet streets of Makati or close to big roads like Skyways etc. At night. Even worse idea to fight for your belongings if someone is holding a gun on you.

I'm flying in 12 days, so I just started searching dating apps to pre-qualify one or two dates. I plan on doing a mix of app girls, freelancers (who can also be app girls of course), and BF girls over the 16 days I will be there.

One of the profiles I spotted tonight is for sisters (sadly not twins), aged 21 and? Who clearly say "two sisters looking to share " Based on the few pics I'd say they are more cute than hot, but definitely attractive if packaged for a threesome. They live an hour east of Makati in Taytay. Is that considered part of the city, or is it a province? (Not sure if that matters, but curious.).

Now this isn't Penthouse Forum, but based on all the reports I've read here this seems at the LEAST plausible that they are legit. And since they live a fair distance away from Makati and they are not super-hot, I expect I can negotiate a favorable deal, perhaps getting both of them for the same rate as one local, attractive FL.

My question: Am I thinking too hard (pun intended) with the wrong head? Is this really one of the classic set ups for disaster? Or absent any last-minute red flags, am I likely to score another 3-way, but this time with sisters?

Thanks for any advice offered.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2794828]My question: Am I thinking too hard (pun intended) with the wrong head? Is this really one of the classic set ups for disaster? Or absent any last-minute red flags, am I likely to score another 3-way, but this time with sisters?

Thanks for any advice offered.[/QUOTE]Their an hour out of town but still willing to bus in?

If they need cash sent first for travel or a sick brother, then it's a scam. Just walk away.

If they actually show up when you are in town, then pay your money and take your chances.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2794828]I'm flying in 12 days, so I just started searching dating apps to pre-qualify one or two dates. I plan on doing a mix of app girls, freelancers (who can also be app girls of course), and BF girls over the 16 days I will be there.

One of the profiles I spotted tonight is for sisters (sadly not twins), aged 21 and? Who clearly say "two sisters looking to share " Based on the few pics I'd say they are more cute than hot, but definitely attractive if packaged for a threesome. They live an hour east of Makati in Taytay. Is that considered part of the city, or is it a province? (Not sure if that matters, but curious.).
[/QUOTE]It's an exciting time. 12 days until you are in pussy heaven. A reminder that before you arrive you are shifting through hundreds of profiles trying to find gems. Once you are on the ground they will find you.

By all means amuse yourself and build your fantasy. Don't build any plans around them.

Also "sisters" like "cousins" is a very loose meaning in Ph.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2795259]Don't build any plans around them.[/QUOTE]That's the secret there. Don't spend hours sitting in a coffee shop waiting for them to show up or organising their travel. Go about your normal day and when the girls actually arrive be ready to act upon it. It's not at all unusual to have no shows or for them to be hours late.

Enjoy. G.

I will be in Manila in few days. I have iPhone 14 pro max and it doesn't take sim anymore.

I am having hard time finding Esim, most tourist Esim have only data no local phone number.

Any idea guys? I used to just buy Smart Sim and it would work great.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2795696]I will be in Manila in few days. I have iPhone 14 pro max and it doesn't take sim anymore.
I am having hard time finding Esim, most tourist Esim have only data no local phone number.
Any idea guys? I used to just buy Smart Sim and it would work great.[/QUOTE]Interesting topic, will be interested to see if any other members have solutions for this new technical challenge. .

The point of SIM's is to control who is connected to the network and charge accordingly, eSIM tech and capability have been available for about 15 years now, but Telcos have pushed back hard to remain in control, Apple has decided to break the telco model further and unsurprisingly there is resistance to this push in control.

To answer your question, currently it looks like all eSIM plans available are data only; as new Apple phones in the Philippines still support the SIM, or you can roam with a number from your home country, there has been a big push locally here to reduce scammers, fraud etc on telecom networks hence the introduction of SIM registration which is contributing to the current unavailability of local numbers available on eSIM, so those coming in on short stays are out of luck at the moment in securing a local number for making / receiving calls or SMS.

This may be of some use as it compares some of the currently available eSIM plans: [URL]https://www.phonetravelwiz.com/best-esims-for-the-philippines-guide/[/URL].

If you really want / need a local number then it looks like a cheap burner phone is the only option as of today, when eSIM phones becomes more widespread I do expect this to change so you can sign up for local numbers when travelling.

Maybe someone else here has a current workaround that I wasn't able to find?

[QUOTE=GhostD;2795909]
Maybe someone else here has a current workaround that I wasn't able to find?[/QUOTE]My work around is this:

Use a burner phone to register a local prepaid SIM number P50. Take up the data only plan on the eSim.

On the data phone register whatsapp, viber, line, DIA, pinalove etc using the local number. Ie the apps are on the eSim phone and the burner phone is just used to receive the authentication codes. Go around using whatsapp and the esim phone. Leave the burner phone in the room for checking once per day.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2795909]Interesting topic, will be interested to see if any other members have solutions for this new technical challenge. .
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so those coming in on short stays are out of luck at the moment in securing a local number for making / receiving calls or SMS.
...........[/QUOTE]I do agree with you. Its better choice to have local sim either shorter or longer stay.

But the fact is Philippine never have CDMA system applicable for ePhone. Only GSM. Moreover Philippine is still poorer in sim management. Its been few days Philippine started registration of SIM card that highly in need to avoid scamming and crime. Last January I was there and non authorized non recorded sims are available here and there I walk around.

[QUOTE=Ss300;2791549]So I read through a few threads but couldn't find much about the massage parlors. I went to airforce1 and it was closed. Tried wilderness, and man those body to body massages are a different experience. Get a good nut right after was awesome. Good selection, about 10 girls all good looking. Damage? 5 k. I tried Kremlin the next day, and although the place seemed better I only got to choose from 4 girls, and she was pleasant but not the best experience. Went back to wilderness and picked #13, she was clean shaved, did BBBJ after some body to body massage, scrubbed me down and I got me to finish in like 15 minutes. No extra charge for BBBJ. Other girls were really negotiating it heavily. I've seen some beautiful girls at the mall and just anywhere but can't imagine how I would pick one of them up. I'll stick to massage parlors. Although I'll tell you, coming from mongering in Mexico, seems like I'm paying alot. I'm not cheap, but I'm used to some good quality for half the price. Anyhow, I recommend wilderness, choose the 2500 room that has the body to body massage. It's a good experience![/QUOTE]I've been looking for a good nuru massage man, where exactly is this wilderness you speak of? I'll be in Manila in a week and will definitely look it up.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2795924]I do agree with you. Its better choice to have local sim either shorter or longer stay.

But the fact is Philippine never have CDMA system applicable for ePhone. Only GSM. Moreover Philippine is still poorer in sim management. Its been few days Philippine started registration of SIM card that highly in need to avoid scamming and crime. Last January I was there and non authorized non recorded sims are available here and there I walk around.[/QUOTE]This is what I decided to do, just buy cheap burner phone and use it as code verifications.

Curvy beauty from the big city. Great eyes. Nice girl. Gets a vaxxing, collects the prize, moves on, comes back. Lather / rinse / repeats. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2796788]Curvy beauty from the big city. Great eyes. Nice girl. Gets a vaxxing, collects the prize, moves on, comes back. Lather / rinse / repeats. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Hi there any possibility you can share any info on her? I'll be there this coming Saturday.

[QUOTE=SlySteeler;2797199]Hi there any possibility you can share any info on her? I'll be there this coming Saturday.[/QUOTE]Contact me in PM please.

So after a number of disappointing experiences at LA Cafe, I finally struck gold.

So I enter the bar and right away get swarmed by a bunch of uggos. I find the least uggo of them. She looked kind of cute, early 30's, maybe a bit on the tall side for a filipino woman. From what I groped her body seemed alright. So we settled on 2 k but she walked when I insisted on bareback.

Anyway, then these three grannies swarm me. And they wouldn't go away. Now I'm a super nice person, so I just sort of shut down and hoped they would get the hint to fuck off. They're running their spiel, and then they ask me what sort of girl I want. So I tell them young (not too young! Over 18 thank you very much) and skinny. So one of the grannies leaves and comes back with this gorgeous little morsel. 24 years old, skinny, absolutely fucking beautiful. She's had a kid but you wouldn't be able to tell. So I'm drooling over her, then we negotiate price, she quotes me 5 k so I hit her with 2 k and we settle on 3 k before too long. I tell her that is fine but I want to fuck her bare, she puts up on a token protest before aggreeing. I tip the granny who brought me the girl 100 and we're off to the short time hotel down the street. Anyway, the girls spends a while in the bathroom, then I join her for a shower. She won't kiss, which is fine, I go down on her for a long ass time and she seemed to enjoy herself. Her pussy was mostly clean, but there was just a hint of sweat or something which was actually quite pleasing to my senses. Mostly her taste was neutral.

Anyway, eventually my neck is all cramped up because I've been going to town on her for so long, so I stop and we spoon and she is just sort of basking in the experience. Then I stick it inside her. I think the sudenafil hadn't entirely kicked in yet but I made do, giving her a pretty decent fucking. So I'm balls deep in this tiny filipino *****, and I'm about to cum, so I start edging my self just to prolong the experience. And she's obviously wise to what I'm doing so she starts telling me to cum. Then I ask if I can cum inside her, and first she instinctively says no, but then she changes her mind and says go ahead. So I do.

It really is more fun in the Philippines.

Flew non stop on Philippine airlines business class last week. Service has greatly improved. But the layout 2-3-2 is not good. I like the cubicles like Cathay Pacific and many other airlines have. My flight landed early morning and I had almost 16 hours to kill before my connecting flight to Jakarta. Took a taxi ride to city state hotel. They agreed to for me to stay whole day with breakfast for 2500 pesos. Not a very good hotel and the rooms are marginal.
They check and make sure you have e travel code. Otherwise everything is a breeze.
Texted my previous Mindanao girl and she was happy to join me. We had lots of fun and sex. Went for a two hour massage and slept to get rid of the jet lag.

On to Jakarta. In Jakarta ISG maybe banned or at least my hotel four seasons Sheraton, Tamrin did not give me access and in fact I did not have access at all. Now that I am in Philippines could post my experiences.

Indonesia part I will post in Jakarta forum.

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2798116]So after a number of disappointing experiences at LA Cafe, I finally struck gold.

So I enter the bar and right away get swarmed by a bunch of uggos. I find the least uggo of them. She looked kind of cute, early 30's, maybe a bit on the tall side for a filipino woman. From what I groped her body seemed alright. So we settled on 2 k but she walked when I insisted on bareback.

Anyway, then these three grannies swarm me. And they wouldn't go away. Now I'm a super nice person, so I just sort of shut down and hoped they would get the hint to fuck off. They're running their spiel, and then they ask me what sort of girl I want. So I tell them young (not too young! Over 18 thank you very much) and skinny. So one of the grannies leaves and comes back with this gorgeous little morsel. 24 years old, skinny, absolutely fucking beautiful. She's had a kid but you wouldn't be able to tell. So I'm drooling over her, then we negotiate price, she quotes me 5 k so I hit her with 2 k and we settle on 3 k before too long. I tell her that is fine but I want to fuck her bare, she puts up on a token protest before aggreeing. I tip the granny who brought me the girl 100 and we're off to the short time hotel down the street. Anyway, the girls spends a while in the bathroom, then I join her for a shower. She won't kiss, which is fine, I go down on her for a long ass time and she seemed to enjoy herself. Her pussy was mostly clean, but there was just a hint of sweat or something which was actually quite pleasing to my senses. Mostly her taste was neutral.

Anyway, eventually my neck is all cramped up because I've been going to town on her for so long, so I stop and we spoon and she is just sort of basking in the experience. Then I stick it inside her. I think the sudenafil hadn't entirely kicked in yet but I made do, giving her a pretty decent fucking. So I'm balls deep in this tiny filipino *****, and I'm about to cum, so I start edging my self just to prolong the experience. And she's obviously wise to what I'm doing so she starts telling me to cum. Then I ask if I can cum inside her, and first she instinctively says no, but then she changes her mind and says go ahead. So I do.

It really is more fun in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Good to know how much to tip the granny mms.

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2798116]So after a number of disappointing experiences at LA Cafe, I finally struck gold.

So I enter the bar and right away get swarmed by a bunch of uggos. I find the least uggo of them. She looked kind of cute, early 30's, maybe a bit on the tall side for a filipino woman. From what I groped her body seemed alright. So we settled on 2 k but she walked when I insisted on bareback.

Anyway, then these three grannies swarm me. And they wouldn't go away. Now I'm a super nice person, so I just sort of shut down and hoped they would get the hint to fuck off. They're running their spiel, and then they ask me what sort of girl I want. So I tell them young (not too young! Over 18 thank you very much) and skinny. So one of the grannies leaves and comes back with this gorgeous little morsel. 24 years old, skinny, absolutely fucking beautiful. She's had a kid but you wouldn't be able to tell. So I'm drooling over her, then we negotiate price, she quotes me 5 k so I hit her with 2 k and we settle on 3 k before too long. I tell her that is fine but I want to fuck her bare, she puts up on a token protest before aggreeing. I tip the granny who brought me the girl 100 and we're off to the short time hotel down the street. Anyway, the girls spends a while in the bathroom, then I join her for a shower. She won't kiss, which is fine, I go down on her for a long ass time and she seemed to enjoy herself. Her pussy was mostly clean, but there was just a hint of sweat or something which was actually quite pleasing to my senses. Mostly her taste was neutral.

Anyway, eventually my neck is all cramped up because I've been going to town on her for so long, so I stop and we spoon and she is just sort of basking in the experience. Then I stick it inside her. I think the sudenafil hadn't entirely kicked in yet but I made do, giving her a pretty decent fucking. So I'm balls deep in this tiny filipino *****, and I'm about to cum, so I start edging my self just to prolong the experience. And she's obviously wise to what I'm doing so she starts telling me to cum. Then I ask if I can cum inside her, and first she instinctively says no, but then she changes her mind and says go ahead. So I do.

It really is more fun in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed. But this sounds like a mediocre sex experience (no kissing? BBFSCIP is fairly standard in the Philippines. I never even ask for it up front. I just assume it and if she brings up the condom I say no thanks and she can leave if she wants. 99% of the time they do it BBFS. Some will ask to come outside and I do always respect that request.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2794828]I'm flying in 12 days, so I just started searching dating apps to pre-qualify one or two dates. I plan on doing a mix of app girls, freelancers (who can also be app girls of course), and BF girls over the 16 days I will be there.

One of the profiles I spotted tonight is for sisters (sadly not twins), aged 21 and? Who clearly say "two sisters looking to share " Based on the few pics I'd say they are more cute than hot, but definitely attractive if packaged for a threesome. They live an hour east of Makati in Taytay. Is that considered part of the city, or is it a province? (Not sure if that matters, but curious.).

Now this isn't Penthouse Forum, but based on all the reports I've read here this seems at the LEAST plausible that they are legit. And since they live a fair distance away from Makati and they are not super-hot, I expect I can negotiate a favorable deal, perhaps getting both of them for the same rate as one local, attractive FL.

My question: Am I thinking too hard (pun intended) with the wrong head? Is this really one of the classic set ups for disaster? Or absent any last-minute red flags, am I likely to score another 3-way, but this time with sisters?

Thanks for any advice offered.[/QUOTE]I've done two Pinay sisters before. Not at the same time but both knew we had slept with each other. The Bottom Line: Money talks!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2798576]I've done two Pinay sisters before. Not at the same time but both knew we had slept with each other. The Bottom Line: Money talks![/QUOTE]Congratulations for a pair of sisters. In PH a winning hand is a full house, a pair of sisters and 3 of their cousins.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2794828]...................

One of the profiles I spotted tonight is for sisters (sadly not twins), aged 21 and? Who clearly say "two sisters looking to share " Based on the few pics I'd say they are more cute than hot, but definitely attractive if packaged for a threesome. They live an hour east of Makati in Taytay. Is that considered part of the city, or is it a province? (Not sure if that matters, but curious.).[/QUOTE]Taytay is a 1st class municipality of Rizal province and far enough to travel Makati very easily.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2794828]My question: Am I thinking too hard (pun intended) with the wrong head? Is this really one of the classic set ups for disaster? Or absent any last-minute red flags, am I likely to score another 3-way, but this time with sisters?

Thanks for any advice offered.[/QUOTE]Wrong head any way but never be a disaster. I have my own experience on that. First I started chat with the young one from Tagged and soon her elder cousin sister joined with us. All went with plan and nicely but in the room I had to face the whining from the younger one that I m fucking much the cousin sister (what can I do she is hot as hell). They travel all along from DasMarinas to Makati. You can do the same if you can handle unexpected jealousy. If appear you have to cool down before it goes viral.

Day 0 - Travelling to Manila from California.

Won't spend much time on this section, just a brief review / highlight:

1. Uber from the SFV to the airport (LAX) at 7 am for a noon flight = $70+tip.

2. Arrived Bradley International Terminal at 8 am.

3. Check in was smooth; presented passport with eTravel QR, & Vax cards. Agent only wanted my passport.

4. Agent told me my seat's power outlet was out, I was getting 2,000 PAL loyalty points and asked if I wanted a diff seat. I did. She moved me up one row.

5. Up to the Star Alliance Lounge: Mediocre breakfast, decent coffee, 10 min walk to my gate.

6. Boarding started 15 minutes late. Departure 30 minutes late.

7. Business Class on PAL: overall grade: acceptable.

8. Landed on time.

9. Immigration was fast; show QR and passport, 2 questions, move along, Sir.

10. Bag Claim took 15 to deliver 1st bag.

11. Customs took my form and dropped it on the pile, move along, Sir.

12. Stopped at Globe Sim booth. Took 15 minutes to set me up.

13. Grab Taxi stand: PHP490 to my hotel in Ermita. 5 min wait.

14. Traffic sucked, made me think I was still on the 405 Freeway in LA. Except for potholes, poverty, and a not-so-faint aroma of shit dipped in pig sweat in the air.

15. Arrived at my hotel: Manila Lotus Hotel on Mabini St. $65 / day for a mid-tier room. The room sucks, the food sucks, the roosters outside my window that never stop cackling suck, the neighborhood sucks, the service is pretty good. Over all: Just DO NOT STAY HERE AGAIN.

16. Crashed around 10:00 pm. Woke up at 5:00 am. Jet lag sucks.

Day 1 - going to get laid today. Plus a dip into the LA Cafe.

Caught up on personal stuff: email, local phone set accounts and services like Grab. Free Breakfast at 7:30 am looked like the leftovers from a decent buffet. Food was bland, coffee was bad, only powdered creamer. Walked around the corner to the 7-11 and bought bottled water for my room, plus 2 Dove Bars. There was no soap in the room, so I had to use an old hotel soap bar I keep in my travel kit.

I was still tired, so I took a nap until 10 am. About a week earlier I had booked 3 Sugar Baby dates while still in the states, and the 1st was today at 2:00 pm. 24, slim-maybe 105, cute face. Let's call her Gia. I messaged her on WhatsApp to confirm and give her the address. She confirmed and took a grab to meet me on schedule. Had to leave her ID at the front desk. Interesting note that the entire front desk staff are pretty Pinays. They appeared to be professional when my date arrived, but I guess they've seen it all. Up to my room, chatted a bit. She's very fluent in English. Works as a freelance writer for entertainment agencies. She told me she loves DT, receiving Oral, and occasionally getting choked. Then she proved these statements to be true. Completely true.

After leaving my 1st CIP in country, she showered and asked me to message her if I want to connect again before heading home. We had negotiated from 10 k down to 8 k. I know that's overmarket for an Ermita freelancer, but I'm ok with it: Most Sugar Babies (SB's) I talked to ask for 10-15 K, they are (presumably) working day jobs and generally are hooking up infrequently, or have just ended a long term arrangement. That tracks with my sugar baby experience in the States. And I've been doing sugaring there for 10+ years.

After we finished and she left (front desk called to make sure all was good before they let her leave), I cleaned up and decided to check out LA Cafe. About a 10 minute walk from my hotel, it was about 4 pm when I arrived. The place is smaller than it looks on YouTube (not considering the upstairs area) and there were 4-5 FL's inside. All chubbers and fuglies. Just like stepping into a strip club in Vegas, 2 girls swarmed me the minute I came in. Both were, well I won't be cruel and give them scores less than 3, but they not viable selections even if I hadn't just dropped a load into a hot, skinny 8 at my hotel.

Ordered a drink, chatted for a bit before sending the chubbers away, and found a decent looking 6. 5 to talk to. She was nice, sweet, and wanted 4 k for ST. I let her negotiate against herself by not reacting to her ask. After a few minutes she dropped her rate to 3 k. I finished my drink and politely declined as I left. Walked back to my hotel, and rested a bit more in my room.

About 7 pm went for dinner at the hotel restaurant. Bad idea. Food was, well, it reminded me of the food you get at a seniors home in Fresno. Finished dinner and walked back to LA Cafe. Now, at 8:30 pm on a Saturday, the place was packed. Lot's of guys, single and small groups up to 4+, mix of western types and about 35% possibly Koreans. And plenty of Freelancers, maybe 1. 5 to every guy. There's a live band stage upstairs, the band plays for about a hour before another band rotates in. I was always approached by at least 2 girls at a time, and there was a pretty good hustle to get you to take 2 home for fun. I resisted. Most of the FL's ranged from 6 to 8, with an occasional 8-9+ in the mix. By the 3rd tag team that came on to me, I saw a gem, 22 yrs old, super petite, sweet-innocent face and very shy. I was only window shopping. I am a one-a-day shooter. But I didn't want to lose the opp for this girl. She asked for 5 k, I think that's reasonable. I suggested that we meet the next day and gave her my WhatsApp, with an ask to message me at 3:00 pm. Tipped her and her friend 500 for letting me feel them up for 30 minutes and I went back to my hotel.

Day 3 - Jet lag comes on with a vengeance:

Slept until 9 am. Went out to the Venice Grand Canal mall to get lunch and do some shopping for my #1 SB back home. Took lots of (cover) pics. Grab each way was about 480. Got back around 3 pm. No message from the FL I met last night. I felt really tired and took another nap. It's 9:45 pm as I write this. Going to get more sleep. Another SB date scheduled for tomorrow.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799437]

Day 3 - Jet lag comes on with a vengeance:

[/QUOTE]This should be Day 2. Can't edit posts?

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799437]Day 0 - Travelling to Manila from California.

Won't spend much time on this section, just a brief review / highlight:

1. Uber from the SFV to the airport (LAX) at 7 am for a noon flight = $70+tip.

2. Arrived Bradley International Terminal at 8 am.

3. Check in was smooth; presented passport with eTravel QR, & Vax cards. Agent only wanted my passport.

4. Agent told me my seat's power outlet was out, I was getting 2,000 PAL loyalty points and asked if I wanted a diff seat. I did. She moved me up one row.

5. Up to the Star Alliance Lounge: Mediocre breakfast, decent coffee, 10 min walk to my gate.

6. Boarding started 15 minutes late. Departure 30 minutes late.

7. Business Class on PAL: overall grade: acceptable.

8. Landed on time.

9. Immigration was fast; show QR and passport, 2 questions, move along, Sir.

10. Bag Claim took 15 to deliver 1st bag.

11. Customs took my form and dropped it on the pile, move along, Sir.

12. Stopped at Globe Sim booth. Took 15 minutes to set me up.

13. Grab Taxi stand: PHP490 to my hotel in Ermita. 5 min wait.

14. Traffic sucked, made me think I was still on the 405 Freeway in LA. Except for potholes, poverty, and a not-so-faint aroma of shit dipped in pig sweat in the air.

15. Arrived at my hotel: Manila Lotus Hotel on Mabini St. $65 / day for a mid-tier room. The room sucks, the food sucks, the roosters outside my window that never stop cackling suck, the neighborhood sucks, the service is pretty good. Over all: Just DO NOT STAY HERE AGAIN.

16. Crashed around 10:00 pm. Woke up at 5:00 am. Jet lag sucks.

Day 1 - going to get laid today. Plus a dip into the LA Cafe.

Caught up on personal stuff: email, local phone set accounts and services like Grab. Free Breakfast at 7:30 am looked like the leftovers from a decent buffet. Food was bland, coffee was bad, only powdered creamer. Walked around the corner to the 7-11 and bought bottled water for my room, plus 2 Dove Bars. There was no soap in the room, so I had to use an old hotel soap bar I keep in my travel kit.

I was still tired, so I took a nap until 10 am. About a week earlier I had booked 3 Sugar Baby dates while still in the states, and the 1st was today at 2:00 pm. 24, slim-maybe 105, cute face. Let's call her Gia. I messaged her on WhatsApp to confirm and give her the address. She confirmed and took a grab to meet me on schedule. Had to leave her ID at the front desk. Interesting note that the entire front desk staff are pretty Pinays. They appeared to be professional when my date arrived, but I guess they've seen it all. Up to my room, chatted a bit. She's very fluent in English. Works as a freelance writer for entertainment agencies. She told me she loves DT, receiving Oral, and occasionally getting choked. Then she proved these statements to be true. Completely true.

After leaving my 1st CIP in country, she showered and asked me to message her if I want to connect again before heading home. We had negotiated from 10 k down to 8 k. I know that's overmarket for an Ermita freelancer, but I'm ok with it: Most Sugar Babies (SB's) I talked to ask for 10-15 K, they are (presumably) working day jobs and generally are hooking up infrequently, or have just ended a long term arrangement. That tracks with my sugar baby experience in the States. And I've been doing sugaring there for 10+ years.

After we finished and she left (front desk called to make sure all was good before they let her leave), I cleaned up and decided to check out LA Cafe. About a 10 minute walk from my hotel, it was about 4 pm when I arrived. The place is smaller than it looks on YouTube (not considering the upstairs area) and there were 4-5 FL's inside. All chubbers and fuglies. Just like stepping into a strip club in Vegas, 2 girls swarmed me the minute I came in. Both were, well I won't be cruel and give them scores less than 3, but they not viable selections even if I hadn't just dropped a load into a hot, skinny 8 at my hotel.

Ordered a drink, chatted for a bit before sending the chubbers away, and found a decent looking 6. 5 to talk to. She was nice, sweet, and wanted 4 k for ST. I let her negotiate against herself by not reacting to her ask. After a few minutes she dropped her rate to 3 k. I finished my drink and politely declined as I left. Walked back to my hotel, and rested a bit more in my room.

About 7 pm went for dinner at the hotel restaurant. Bad idea. Food was, well, it reminded me of the food you get at a seniors home in Fresno. Finished dinner and walked back to LA Cafe. Now, at 8:30 pm on a Saturday, the place was packed. Lot's of guys, single and small groups up to 4+, mix of western types and about 35% possibly Koreans. And plenty of Freelancers, maybe 1. 5 to every guy. There's a live band stage upstairs, the band plays for about a hour before another band rotates in. I was always approached by at least 2 girls at a time, and there was a pretty good hustle to get you to take 2 home for fun. I resisted. Most of the FL's ranged from 6 to 8, with an occasional 8-9+ in the mix. By the 3rd tag team that came on to me, I saw a gem, 22 yrs old, super petite, sweet-innocent face and very shy. I was only window shopping. I am a one-a-day shooter. But I didn't want to lose the opp for this girl. She asked for 5 k, I think that's reasonable. I suggested that we meet the next day and gave her my WhatsApp, with an ask to message me at 3:00 pm. Tipped her and her friend 500 for letting me feel them up for 30 minutes and I went back to my hotel.

Day 3 - Jet lag comes on with a vengeance:

Slept until 9 am. Went out to the Venice Grand Canal mall to get lunch and do some shopping for my #1 SB back home. Took lots of (cover) pics. Grab each way was about 480. Got back around 3 pm. No message from the FL I met last night. I felt really tired and took another nap. It's 9:45 pm as I write this. Going to get more sleep. Another SB date scheduled for tomorrow.[/QUOTE]You spent a lot of money on your business class ticket on PAL, and seem willing to pay premium prices for girls. Why then would you stay at a dump like the Lotus hotel, when a nicer hotel like New Coast is close by and just a little more? Plus, there are a lot of awesome freelancers nearby around Robinson's mall as an option.

RG.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799560]This should be Day 2. Can't edit posts?[/QUOTE]Edits must occur within 1 hour of the original post time.

Good report.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799437]15. Arrived at my hotel: Manila Lotus Hotel on Mabini St. $65 / day for a mid-tier room. The room sucks, the food sucks, the roosters outside my window that never stop cackling suck, the neighborhood sucks, the service is pretty good. Over all: Just DO NOT STAY HERE AGAIN.[/QUOTE]Most of the Ermita / Malate / LAC area has been described accurately, for many years on the board, as: GRITTY, VIBRANT, DANGEROUS (COMPLETE WITH CHILDREN PICK-POCKETS), and FUN. Lots of nawty options, food options, and live bands in the area: Cowboy Grill, Calle Cinco, Belagio Square, and Chill Bar (Bocobo St) are within a few blocks of your hotel. If you want cleaner / nicer, Makati is your call.

For $65/ night, you can do better on the condos in the area on airbnb. Nicer hotels would be the Kimberly and New Coast (both on Pedro Gil St), and the Sheraton Manila Bay (and you pay more for them).

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799437]After leaving my 1st CIP in country, she showered and asked me to message her if I want to connect again before heading home. We had negotiated from 10 k down to 8 k. I know that's overmarket for an Ermita freelancer, but I'm ok with it.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about the price of your first bang. You need to jizz once, to settle yourself down from the months (years?) of missed covid activities. Worry about money and other matters after.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2799591]Good report.

Most of the Ermita / Malate / LAC area has been described accurately, for many years on the board, as: GRITTY, VIBRANT, DANGEROUS (COMPLETE WITH CHILDREN PICK-POCKETS), and FUN. Lots of nawty options, food options, and live bands in the area: Cowboy Grill, Calle Cinco, Belagio Square, and Chill Bar (Bocobo St) are within a few blocks of your hotel. If you want cleaner / nicer, Makati is your call........[/QUOTE]Very well said. Times before The area in Pasay around Taft Ave MRT station was the capital of Manila for activities of criminals, drugs, non cleaned street girls. Duterte cleaned up all in his immediate presidency and now all added to Ermita / Malate. God bless beloved Philippine.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2796788]Curvy beauty from the big city. Great eyes. Nice girl. Gets a vaxxing, collects the prize, moves on, comes back. Lather / rinse / repeats. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Wow Nice looks delightful.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2799563]You spent a lot of money on your business class ticket on PAL, and seem willing to pay premium prices for girls. Why then would you stay at a dump like the Lotus hotel, when a nicer hotel like New Coast is close by and just a little more? Plus, there are a lot of awesome freelancers nearby around Robinson's mall as an option.

RG.[/QUOTE]Fair question. The simple answer is that I did not pick up on how shitty the Manila Lotus Hotel is until I entered the room. Fortunately, the events of Day 3 made up for it, as I was thinking nothing about the hotel as I dropped a load into more sweet Pinay pussy.

Day 3: Fish & Birds, and Sushi and more Fish.

Woke up early on Day 3, finally feeling like I had shed my jetlag. Got a (better today) breakfast from the hotel and decided to check out Manila Ocean Park. Attractions include a walk-through aquarium, penguin exhibit, and two live shows: Birds and Sea Lions. Compared to similar attractions in Barcelona, Monterey, and Baltimore, I can only describe MOP as. Cute. The families and kids seemed to love it. I took pics and vids for display to family and muggle friends back home.

I had another SB date previously lined up, so after the Park, I started looking for a decent restaurant for dinner. Yelp and Open Table are your friends and I found a good Japanese place called Enbu at the Okada Casino. My girl met me there, had some tasty sushi and other Japanese dishes and took a Grab back to my shitty hotel. We had a chat about what each of us likes, limits and boundaries, and got to the action. Now I just love a girl that loves to DT, get choked, slapped, and be told she is various forms of a naughty little * So we did that for about 3 hours. Gave her her allowance plus an extra 500 for what turned out to be a 60-minute grab ride home. I'll be back in Manila (Makati on 3/27). But now.

Day 4 - Road Trip to Angeles.

I'm leaving in 80 minutes for Angeles by hired car. Staying at ABC for 6 nights. So my next posts will be in the Angeles Forum.

My new motto for PH Travel: "If I'm fucking, I'm learning. " Kind of catchy, isn't it?

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2799944]Day 3: Fish & Birds, and Sushi and more Fish.

I'll be back in Manila (Makati on 3/27). But now.
Day 4 - Road Trip to Angeles.
I'm leaving in 80 minutes for Angeles by hired car. Staying at ABC for 6 nights. So my next posts will be in the Angeles Forum.
My new motto for PH Travel: "If I'm fucking, I'm learning. " Kind of catchy, isn't it?[/QUOTE]You might want to reconsider staying in AC a bit longer and less in Makati. Just a thought.

Came back from cebu well satisfied. Stayed at New Coast hotel. I always stay there. Excellent hotel and if you research good prices on Agoda and sometimes deals on their hotel website.

Mindanao girl waiting and spent the night. She is lots of fun. Do whatever and whenever you want kind of deal. Her pic I posted previously. Had another one lined up but could not say no to this girl. She does not like restaurant food. Happy with jollibee. I pick up food for her dropped it off and went to the middle eastern food place near LA cafe. Very good food.

Went to LA cafe. On the way very pretty girl possibly very young latched on to my arm asking if I want her. Could be a trannie? I told her I have GF in my room. She said it is okay to go to ST hotel. Wanted 2000ST. Did not want to take a chance catching something if she is truly a girl and passing it to my girl. Rushed off to LA cafe. For some reason although it is supposed to be smoke free full of smoke. Saturday night and it was jam packed. All sorts of girls. Some good looking girls. Ordered a beer and the waitress charged me 180 pesos. I gave her 200. She asked me if I wanted a girl. No to that. Several girls came by and wanted a drink first and chit chat. There were offers from 3000ST to all the way up to 8000 LT. If I was interested I could knock it down. I spotted one quiet next door type of girl and called her over. Spotting this waitress came over and her drink cost is I believe 320. Gave 350.

This girl lives little far outside Manila City. Wanted 3500 LT. I would have taken her if I did not have anybody. Spent roughly one and half hours there and left.

Mindanao girl made me happy again. She said she wants to go to Middle East for a job. Who knows?

Now back home and next trip already booked in October Phnom Penh, Bkk, Pattaya, Manila, Cebu.

[QUOTE=DafukuSayToMe;2799861]Wow Nice looks delightful.[/QUOTE]#DafukIsayToYou: It was, and she was. Here's another on-again / off-again gal, for some years now.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2800214]#DafukIsayToYou: It was, and she was. Here's another on-again / off-again gal, for some years now.[/QUOTE]Hopefully I get to be as lucky as you on my trip across the pond. I'm just now starting to make a few connections hopefully they don't all fall through.

Arrived Manila after Bangkok and Pattaya. I had BYOB so did not pick anyone in Thailand.

Let me tell you Phillipines is nothing compare to Thailand in my opinion.

Anyway sent my BYOB home and solo landed in Manila.

Pre-arranged about 10+ girls, guess what all 9 were flaky but 1 office girl.

Stayed 3 nights in makati nothing special to report. 4th day moved to Malate area stayed at Palm hotel (very GFF).

LA cafe have really fugally girls but few ok looking. Most good looking glued to Koreans and Japanese.

Gotten really lucky with 22 year old Davao girl stunner who looking for job in malate (yeah right) . I found awesome trick walk few times outside of Starbucks and ask for directions and ask for number in the end.

I am gona have to pass Phillipines next times and stick with my favorite country Thailand and Indonesia.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2800960]Arrived Manila after Bangkok and Pattaya. I had BYOB so did not pick anyone in Thailand.

Let me tell you Phillipines is nothing compare to Thailand in my opinion.

Anyway sent my BYOB home and solo landed in Manila.

Pre-arranged about 10+ girls, guess what all 9 were flaky but 1 office girl.

Stayed 3 nights in makati nothing special to report. 4th day moved to Malate area stayed at Palm hotel (very GFF).

LA cafe have really fugally girls but few ok looking. Most good looking glued to Koreans and Japanese.

Gotten really lucky with 22 year old Davao girl stunner who looking for job in malate (yeah right) . I found awesome trick walk few times outside of Starbucks and ask for directions and ask for number in the end.

I am gona have to pass Phillipines next times and stick with my favorite country Thailand and Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I still enjoy the Philippines, but Kenya has become my favorite mongering destination. Girls there are absolutely crazy about being with a white guy. And money is not an issue. Kenya today reminds me of the Philippines in years long past.

RG.

Long time Reader. First Time Poster.

I am in Manila. And I have 7 days left to fulfill my teenage fantasy of a threesome with two wild girls.

But the issue is that I am an introvert and I have anxiety in crowded places so I cannot go to clubs. I am using dating apps which have been really successful in term of normal sex but no girl is willing for a threesome. Does anybody have a contact of girls good with threesomes or a suggestion in terms of how to approach this without going to bars and clubs?

Thank you in advance and I promise I will post my reports after my vacation which are purely based on my experience with apps.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2802186]I am in Manila. And I have 7 days left to fulfill my teenage fantasy of a threesome with two wild girls.[/QUOTE]With only seven days, you don't have time to waste with the dating sites or broken promises from freelances etc. Just go to Manila Courtesans, Smooci or similar. They all list girls who will arrive with a friend and play together. You will pay a premium but will be sure to get what you want if you are upfront with them about what exactly you call a threesome.

Note that moresomes are notorious for over promising and under delivering with bargirls, freelancers and online girls. With only seven days you don't have time for that so just go somewhere where their services are spelt out and somewhat guaranteed.

Threesomes mean different things to different people so you need to be clear with the girls what you want. Two girls fucking you? You watching two girls fuck each other? Roaming between two girls without having to stop to change rubbers etc? Pussy1 to Mouth2? A million other combinations that you may want but the girls may / maynot be happy to provide.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2802238]With only seven days, you don't have time to waste with the dating sites or broken promises from freelances etc. Just go to Manila Courtesans, Smooci or similar. They all list girls who will arrive with a friend and play together. You will pay a premium but will be sure to get what you want if you are upfront with them about what exactly you call a threesome.

Note that moresomes are notorious for over promising and under delivering with bargirls, freelancers and online girls. With only seven days you don't have time for that so just go somewhere where their services are spelt out and somewhat guaranteed.

Threesomes mean different things to different people so you need to be clear with the girls what you want. Two girls fucking you? You watching two girls fuck each other? Roaming between two girls without having to stop to change rubbers etc? Pussy1 to Mouth2? A million other combinations that you may want but the girls may / maynot be happy to provide.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't waste time with anyone expecting me to use a rubber. To me, that's the same as no sex at all.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2799951]You might want to reconsider staying in AC a bit longer and less in Makati. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]I would agree, unless you just enjoy getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2802186]Long time Reader. First Time Poster.

I am in Manila. And I have 7 days left to fulfill my teenage fantasy of a threesome with two wild girls.

But the issue is that I am an introvert and I have anxiety in crowded places so I cannot go to clubs. I am using dating apps which have been really successful in term of normal sex but no girl is willing for a threesome. Does anybody have a contact of girls good with threesomes or a suggestion in terms of how to approach this without going to bars and clubs?

Thank you in advance and I promise I will post my reports after my vacation which are purely based on my experience with apps.[/QUOTE]I have had many threesomes over the years from dating site girls. Unlike bargirls who tend to be wild dating site girls are mellow and if you insist they will bring their friend to join. They are not keen on girl on girl. Most they will do is kiss the boobs while I am fucking one. Couple of times I had one hiding in the bathroom while I fucked one. At midnight if I am fucking one other one will pretend to be fast asleep. Some bargirls will do DATY to the other girl but not dating site girls. Those can happen in Angeles with ore negotiations.

Consequently even if my dating site girl suggest threesome I tend to not go for it. I will have a better time just fucking one. If she has a friend I will try her alone next day.

Your best bet are the bars and negotiate what you are expecting.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2802468]I have had many threesomes over the years from dating site girls. Unlike bargirls who tend to be wild dating site girls are mellow and if you insist they will bring their friend to join. They are not keen on girl on girl. Most they will do is kiss the boobs while I am fucking one. Couple of times I had one hiding in the bathroom while I fucked one. At midnight if I am fucking one other one will pretend to be fast asleep. Some bargirls will do DATY to the other girl but not dating site girls. Those can happen in Angeles with ore negotiations.

Consequently even if my dating site girl suggest threesome I tend to not go for it. I will have a better time just fucking one. If she has a friend I will try her alone next day.

Your best bet are the bars and negotiate what you are expecting.[/QUOTE]I have two experience about 3 some in Philippine. My girl was from dating site. On our 2nd day she offer for 3 some and intended to chose the other girl by herself. So she brought a freelancer. Than it turned out my girl is a Bi and more enjoyed with the freelancer rather than me.

2nd one also from dating site and appeared in my place with her curvy niece. I would not say it was 3 some, because while I was fucking the aunt the niece was hided inside the bathroom. While I was doing the niece the aunt pretended to be in deeply asleep. After few rounds the Aunt disinterested to fuck any more and always indicated to fuck her niece. Any way I obliged.

Met very nice pretty girl online that I been talking.

Booked a joyride for her from Las Pinas, we have nice dinner, drink and had amazing sex.

Now the bad part, she snores so loud that I was not able to sleep.

I just woke her up and sending her back home.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2802647]Met very nice pretty girl online that I been talking.
Booked a joyride for her from Las Pinas, we have nice dinner, drink and had amazing sex.
Now the bad part, she snores so loud that I was not able to sleep.
I just woke her up and sending her back home.[/QUOTE]How bad is the snoring? If she is hot, and the sex is amazing, how can that override snoring?

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2802186]Long time Reader. First Time Poster.

I am in Manila. And I have 7 days left to fulfill my teenage fantasy of a threesome with two wild girls.

But the issue is that I am an introvert and I have anxiety in crowded places so I cannot go to clubs. I am using dating apps which have been really successful in term of normal sex but no girl is willing for a threesome. Does anybody have a contact of girls good with threesomes or a suggestion in terms of how to approach this without going to bars and clubs?

Thank you in advance and I promise I will post my reports after my vacation which are purely based on my experience with apps.[/QUOTE]Which dating sites are you using?

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2803251]Which dating sites are you using?[/QUOTE]Date in Asia, Pinalove, Tinder, Badoo, Bumble.

Hello folks,

I found this Yonaguni or Hoshiko spa, goes with two names, on MR.

I am subscribed to their telegram channel and get regular pics etc.

They have really good looking babes to send to the hotel room.

My question is, what will those gals charge for full service and everything I desire?

Any data points from those who may have tried them?

I tried asking them on telegram but they just refuse to give me any indication of what the gals will charge for sex.

Can someone give me any pointers?

It'll be my first time in the Philippines.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Transporter;2802711]How bad is the snoring? If she is hot, and the sex is amazing, how can that override snoring?[/QUOTE]Before and after a few rounds, a girl can be viewed very differently. Post partum nut clarity.

[QUOTE=Moto1452;2804012]Before and after a few rounds, a girl can be viewed very differently. Post partum nut clarity.[/QUOTE]Ahhhh. The old PPNC.

Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]I would be worried about police being called, who would certainly look for any opportunity to extort you for a king's ransom.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]I think it could be done if you are quick but then again I have always been a risk-taker. Tell the staff she is helping you.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]You have it the wrong way around. She comes into the change room with you (to check for fit etc obviously 😉 You don't go into the ladies change room and start banging away.

Men's rooms are much less busy than ladies.

Not that I would know. 😱

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]Too easy, a bit of cash and a box of candy. The cash is for the girl attendant there (just tell her you going to use the room for a few minutes) and the box of candy is for her to share with anyone else that might notice. Good luck trying to actually finish tho.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]Take her back to your hotel and try it in the wardrobe / closet LOL.

I used one of the spas for a nuru massage in my hotel. The nuru was decent and the girl was ok. After he massage was done I asked about full service and she quoted me 8000 p.

I declined and got the HJ instead for 2000 p. It was a bit high but I would have tipped her anyway.

I think I used hoshiko.

[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2804002]Hello folks,

I found this Yonaguni or Hoshiko spa, goes with two names, on MR.

I am subscribed to their telegram channel and get regular pics etc.

They have really good looking babes to send to the hotel room.

My question is, what will those gals charge for full service and everything I desire?

Any data points from those who may have tried them?

I tried asking them on telegram but they just refuse to give me any indication of what the gals will charge for sex.

Can someone give me any pointers?

It'll be my first time in the Philippines.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

US military to stand up 4 new military bases in the Philippines in act to counter China. No idea how this will affect our favorite hobby, but I figured some of you guys may be interested. Hope the link works, but if not you can just Google it.

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3931076-heres-where-us-military-will-open-bases-in-the-philippines-in-move-to-counter-china/amp/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2804792]US military to stand up 4 new military bases in the Philippines in act to counter China. No idea how this will affect our favorite hobby, but I figured some of you guys may be interested. Hope the link works, but if not you can just Google it.

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3931076-heres-where-us-military-will-open-bases-in-the-philippines-in-move-to-counter-china/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh I can tell you how. Four bases are going to dump a bunch of young military guys in good shape with money in their pockets. They will be from pussy prison US so the Philippine's will blow their minds and they will be kids in a candy store. Angeles and Subic I'm sure will be most affected as word will spread and more girls will pour in. Now Manila and Makati probably not be affected as much but these boys will get longer leaves which will allow them to try that as well. My last week in Makati I ask a mamasun do you know why so many new bars now. Didn't you hear, US military is coming back. Older guys and allot of us are out of shape or young military bucks, that is a no brainer. Only positive I see is more girls will arrive especially in Subic and Angeles.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2804792]US military to stand up 4 new military bases in the Philippines in act to counter China. No idea how this will affect our favorite hobby, but I figured some of you guys may be interested. Hope the link works, but if not you can just Google it.

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3931076-heres-where-us-military-will-open-bases-in-the-philippines-in-move-to-counter-china/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe I have things wrong, but I thought the US no longer formally has military bases in the Phils. Instead, it's branded as a cooperation / leasing agreement because there was some kind of blowback during the Duterte era. In either case, I'm guessing it will mean the possibility of a new Angeles City in Cagayan and / or Palawan, if history is any guide. AC started as a US "are&are" place after all.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2804542]Continuing my list of bucket list / fetish items: what are the odds that I can bring a girl shopping at one of the malls in Manila and get into the changing room with her? And here I mean whether or not it is feasible in terms of the store/staff not noticing/caring.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2804792]US military to stand up 4 new military bases in the Philippines in act to counter China. No idea how this will affect our favorite hobby, but I figured some of you guys may be interested. [/QUOTE]Too much talk of malls and guns. Its Semana Santa. Time for something more uplifting, like a picture.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2805030]Too much talk of malls and guns. Its Semana Santa. Time for something more uplifting, like a picture.[/QUOTE]Ok can do.

So this is a review and report for introverts specifically about how to get laid without going to clubs using specifically dating Apps.

About Me: I am a 29 years old Indian. I lived in Philippines permanently back in 2017-18 but then moved out. And this year I went again for 20 days. I stayed in Pasig for the first few days and then in BGC.

My Preferences: I am an introvert and I don't like going to clubs or bars or crowded places etc. Which is why I use dating apps. Also, in dating apps I prefer city professional women around 30 years old instead of young 20 year old virgins.

Tinder.

Most number of girls. Easiest to use. A good combination of different types of girls. Has both young school girls and older professional women. I did not run into any women asking for money on this. A lot of ladyboys. Bought Tinder platinum. Is useful to some extent.

Bumble.

Best app for my taste. Less number of women but most of them are professionals and working good jobs. Like doctors and executives in multinationals. Paid version is okay. Their Spotlight feature showed good results.

Badoo.

Difficult to use. Most women are un-educated province girls. Average English. But of course, simple province girls also come with their advantages. Also open to money. Willing to spend a whole day with you for food and 1 k extra. Paid version of the app not really worth it.

OkCupid.

Worst app. Difficult to use. Average quality of girls. Bought paid version. Would not recommend it.

PinaLove.

Did not buy the paid version. And pretty useless without premium features.

DateinAsia.

Pretty meh. Very low quality girls. Both ugly and uneducated.

To summarize, I am not saying dating apps are better than mongering in clubs. For both hookers or normal girls. I do think talking to women in person is a lot better. But there might be people like me who are not comfortable with that. So, in that case dating apps provide a nice alternative.

Usually, I would take the girls out for a coffee date. If the vibe matched, I would ask them to come back to my apartment. Some women might not go with you the on the first date. Especially professional women but on the 2nd date sex is usually guaranteed. But you need to have a nice personality for a 2nd date to happen.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2805071]To summarize, I am not saying dating apps are better than mongering in clubs. For both hookers or normal girls. I do think talking to women in person is a lot better. But there might be people like me who are not comfortable with that. So, in that case dating apps provide a nice alternative.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. A good summary of the options. I'd add Filipino Cupid to the list as well. At any point in time, it probably has the most girls actually online. Typically there is a range from those that will see anyone who will pay the price of admission thru to those seeking true dates.

Online is a viable or preferred option for many guys, not just the socially anxious:

Those seeking better quality girls than found in most bars: educated, employed, able to hold a conversation etc.

Those that like some element of 'the thrill of the chase'.

Old-timers who have been to so many bars over the decades that the thought of watching yet another bored girl aimlessly shuffle around a pole induces nausea.

Non drinkers.

Too old to tolerate doof-doof music all night.

As usual, each to their own.

Enjoy. G.

Hi guys!

I am a world traveler that is soon to be in the PI. First time there. I have read WestCoasts reports for a decade. Will be in Manilla for one day, and north of Angeles for 2 weeks. Looking for advice to have the best possible experience. I am new to Asia, so any advice is greatly appreciated.

Province girl comes to the big smoke and gives Westy a heapin' helpin' of small-town hospitality. Poor Westy.

Reach out. Grab ahold of something you believe in. Don't let go.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2805444]Hi guys!

I am a world traveler that is soon to be in the PI. First time there. I have read WestCoasts reports for a decade. Will be in Manilla for one day, and north of Angeles for 2 weeks. Looking for advice to have the best possible experience. I am new to Asia, so any advice is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you want to play in manila, how much time and where? And how north of AC? Tarlac? Baguio? Norte?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2805258]...............
Online is a viable or preferred option for many guys, not just the socially anxious:
........
Those that like some element of 'the thrill of the chase'.
................
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Dating site stands with 'the thrill of the chase'.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2805071]So this is a review and report for introverts specifically about how to get laid without going to clubs using specifically dating Apps.

About Me: I am a 29 years old Indian. I lived in Philippines permanently back in 2017-18 but then moved out. And this year I went again for 20 days. I stayed in Pasig for the first few days and then in BGC.
.............
To summarize, I am not saying dating apps are better than mongering in clubs. For both hookers or normal girls. I do think talking to women in person is a lot better. But there might be people like me who are not comfortable with that. So, in that case dating apps provide a nice alternative.

Usually, I would take the girls out for a coffee date. If the vibe matched, I would ask them to come back to my apartment. Some women might not go with you the on the first date. Especially professional women but on the 2nd date sex is usually guaranteed. But you need to have a nice personality for a 2nd date to happen.[/QUOTE]Multiple times you mentioned professional, uneducated, ugly etc elements for the dating site girls. The real fact is professional, good looking, educated girls don't need any dating app. There are plenty boys around them chasing after. Mostly already taken or to be taken. There are two types of girls are available in dating apps, 1. The girls are in need of money and ready to jump in bed immediately. 2. The girls not good looking enough or lost their prime time. Might be uneducated too. The boys around them ignoring or considering them granted.

It's true Some are holding their pride and ready to go in next date.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2806192]The real fact is professional, good looking, educated girls don't need any dating app. There are plenty boys around them chasing after. Mostly already taken or to be taken. [/QUOTE]Umm I disagree. Like I said on Bumble, and sometimes on Tinder there were really pretty and professional women. Example would be one girl who's a lawyer and works for ING bank. One girl worked for PnG. Another one was a CFA and worked as a financial advisor. All of them attractive and under 30.

Of course they are a minority but still they exist. And I am an average looking Indian guy. A white guy will have even more success than me.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2806318]Umm I disagree. Like I said on Bumble, and sometimes on Tinder there were really pretty and professional women. Example would be one girl who's a lawyer and works for ING bank. One girl worked for PnG. Another one was a CFA and worked as a financial advisor. All of them attractive and under 30.

Of course they are a minority but still they exist. And I am an average looking Indian guy. A white guy will have even more success than me.[/QUOTE]How you got to sure they are telling true. Generally pros telling lie to raise their price.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2806517]How you got to sure they are telling true. Generally pros telling lie to raise their price.[/QUOTE]It's pretty difficult to fake it since I actually talk about work with them. Talking about work and career aspirations is a nice conversation starter for a date generally. And I doubt a hooker from a bar can talk about corporate compliance tasks she's currently working on in the Netherlands HQ of ING bank.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2806517]How you got to sure they are telling true. Generally pros telling lie to raise their price.[/QUOTE]And also one thing I forgot to mention is that I did not pay them for sex. The only thing I pay for is their Starbucks coffee.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2806750]It's pretty difficult to fake it since I actually talk about work with them. Talking about work and career aspirations is a nice conversation starter for a date generally. And I doubt a hooker from a bar can talk about corporate compliance tasks she's currently working on in the Netherlands HQ of ING bank.[/QUOTE]Still I am doubt on it. Smart girls aware about what they talking.

When a girl became 18, a very popular Debut party arranged in Philippines, . Boys above 18 are invited and they make lap dance with the girl one by one with music. It's an open invitation for the boys, declaring became she is an adult and to be chased. So every lookers are eyed by the boys and real professionals are not out of that.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2806769]And also one thing I forgot to mention is that I did not pay them for sex. The only thing I pay for is their Starbucks coffee.[/QUOTE]The girls jumping on bed with a person met from dating site, knowing well after that they would be ignored or forgotten. They doing that just for money, it's that simple. A girl doing pretty good job never been starving for money nor for sex. Money they earn and Philippine is a free country to have sex by their choice. Real good looking professionals don't need dating site.

On another note, if you have enough company, this is a good place to go and enjoy.

The food is pretty good.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2806852]The girls jumping on bed with a person met from dating site, knowing well after that they would be ignored or forgotten. They doing that just for money, it's that simple. A girl doing pretty good job never been starving for money nor for sex. Money they earn and Philippine is a free country to have sex by their choice. Real good looking professionals don't need dating site.[/QUOTE]Ok. But then why are they jumping in bed with me multiple times without any money? They pay for their own grab to come to my apartment. Offer to split the bill. And I met them on a dating app. I understand what you are saying but my experience is different from what you are saying.

[QUOTE=Shikamaru1993;2807053]Ok. But then why are they jumping in bed with me multiple times without any money? They pay for their own grab to come to my apartment. Offer to split the bill. And I met them on a dating app. I understand what you are saying but my experience is different from what you are saying.[/QUOTE]You know better what you doing. But I never met a single lady who didn't wanted money. None asked money upfront but gladly accepted and grateful once I give them money covering any excuses.

All,

I have a PA flight connecting me in Manila to Singapore. Thing is I get there around 0530, and the flight for Singapore leaves at 0945. Arriving at Terminal 2 and departing from Terminal 1. My question are; am I allowed to go to a short stay outside the airport to "take the edge off?" And with only about a 3 hour delay (removing gate entry times) is it really worth it? Should I just hold my horses and money and pay for an upgrade seat on Phil Air and blow my cash in Ipanema in Singapore? Looking for any advice!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2807229]All,

I have a PA flight connecting me in Manila to Singapore. Thing is I get there around 0530, and the flight for Singapore leaves at 0945. Arriving at Terminal 2 and departing from Terminal 1. My question are; am I allowed to go to a short stay outside the airport to "take the edge off?" And with only about a 3 hour delay (removing gate entry times) is it really worth it? Should I just hold my horses and money and pay for an upgrade seat on Phil Air and blow my cash in Ipanema in Singapore? Looking for any advice![/QUOTE]Nope, you won't have the time. But it would be worth it. Ochid Tower you are looking at about 3 bills min, and in PI 1 would be plenty. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2807229]All,

I have a PA flight connecting me in Manila to Singapore. Thing is I get there around 0530, and the flight for Singapore leaves at 0945. Arriving at Terminal 2 and departing from Terminal 1. My question are; am I allowed to go to a short stay outside the airport to "take the edge off?" And with only about a 3 hour delay (removing gate entry times) is it really worth it? Should I just hold my horses and money and pay for an upgrade seat on Phil Air and blow my cash in Ipanema in Singapore? Looking for any advice![/QUOTE]I think you're aware, as you mentioned gate entry times, but Terminal 1 and 2 are not connected.

On arrival you have to go through e-travel gate, immigration gate, pick up baggage, get bus to next terminal, checkin for flight and go through immigration again between the flights.

Giving allocated time for all that of 1 HR 15 minutes is somewhat a dream. You'll be lucky to get out of Terminal 2 in that amount of time if baggage handlers have a bad day.

Also at that time of night pickings would be slim. Wait for Singapore.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2805657]If you want to play in manila, how much time and where? And how north of AC? Tarlac? Baguio? Norte?[/QUOTE]I will be in Manila for a few days, but only over a couple weeks. I will be near Cabanatuan for a while as well. I literally have read this forum for years, but have never been, so I am not expecting to be as successful as WestCoast. But any advice is greatly appreciated.

I'll be travelling to Manila and then to Angeles City for the first time. I've been going to Thailand every year for over 7 years now and I know the drill there, but I've heard it's not that easy to get action in Philippines. I'm pretty much looking for ST. What are the different ways to get action there? Which of these would you recommend for ST?

- Freelancers: can pick them up in streets like P Burgos (Manila) or Fields Avenue (Angeles), or picking them up at bars las La Cafe (Manila) or at nightclubs, etc. I'm not a big fun of clubbing, so do you know any other streets where they can be picked up? Either in Manila or Angeles? Also, what's a reasonable ST pricing range in 2023?

- Massage parlors: I'm very interested in knowing more about this option. Massage shops are one of the easiest ways to get full service in Thailand, do they also offer full service at massage shops in Manila and Angeles City? Any recommendations?

- Online apps: Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, Pinalove and so on. I've signed up for Pinalove and I see it's the equivalent as ThaiFriendly in Thailand, but in Pinalove most decent girls are "premium" and I can't message them. Is there any way to get around this without subscribing? Also, which one is the best app / website to find freelancers? I only come across non-working girls, whereas in Pattaya 50% of the girls in the apps are freelancers.

- KTV karaokes: I've never experienced this in Thailand or anywhere else, so not sure how it works. Also I'm not so much into singing with the girls, I just want to bring them back to my room or bang them on-site.

- Girly bars.

- Escort agencies.

- Sideline, or Telegram groups, this worked great for me in Bangkok. In Thailand they have these chat groups where freelancers (or their agents) post some sort of ads with their services and photos. I had some of my best experiences in Thailand using these Telegram groups, is there anything similar in Philippines?

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2808007]I will be in Manila for a few days, but only over a couple weeks. I will be near Cabanatuan for a while as well. I literally have read this forum for years, but have never been, so I am not expecting to be as successful as WestCoast. But any advice is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]When. And where in manila?

I have never played in cabanatuan so can't be of any help there. Have some experience in Baler, some small bars there, but nothing really to recommend. You can try the dating apps as tarlac and AC is reasonably close by so there is plenty game in your area. Just be aware that they work on filipino time. A girl from AC that will travel to you will only be 1-2 hours late, but a girl from tarlac that will travel to you will be more like 2-4 hours late.

PM me if you need more info.

[QUOTE=Mlang;2808046]I'll be travelling to Manila and then to Angeles City for the first time. I've been going to Thailand every year for over 7 years now and I know the drill there, but I've heard it's not that easy to get action in Philippines. I'm pretty much looking for ST. What are the different ways to get action there? Which of these would you recommend for ST?[/QUOTE]10 posts total over 18 months, and no solid Field Reports. Besides asking questions, do you have anything to offer? We call this taking, without giving. Send me a PM, I have some thoughts for you.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2808230]10 posts total over 18 months, and no solid Field Reports. Besides asking questions, do you have anything to offer? We call this taking, without giving. Send me a PM, I have some thoughts for you.[/QUOTE]He should also pm NS for details. Or read his reports.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2808230]10 posts total over 18 months, and no solid Field Reports. Besides asking questions, do you have anything to offer? We call this taking, without giving. Send me a PM, I have some thoughts for you.[/QUOTE]Looking at it that way, I'd say you're right. I've never written a field report, not out of laziness but rather because I'm not really into sharing my experiences. But I promise that when I land in Manila on May 17th I'll share a field report. Didn't mean to take too much without giving back. I've tried to send you a PM but it seems only paying members can do that. Feel free to share here whatever you want. Or don't.

Are there any small bars in Manila area where you see girls dance, pay barfine, then leave? I hate karaoke places, waste of time.

[QUOTE=Chevy68;2808454]Are there any small bars in Manila area where you see girls dance, pay barfine, then leave? I hate karaoke places, waste of time.[/QUOTE]Plenty but too long to list here.

So PM me for the list and some contacts in them.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=Mlang;2808046]I'll be travelling to Manila and then to Angeles City for the first time..What are the different ways to get action there?

- Freelancers

- Massage parlors:

- Online apps:

- KTV karaokes:

- Girly bars.

- Escort agencies.

- Sideline, or Telegram groups?[/QUOTE]1/. Bars, freelancers and online. I'm a big online fan but that's me. YMMV.

2/. Freelancers are everywhere at night and in AC 24/7. Need to seek out diamonds in the rough and avoid baklas. Get laid in 5 minutes in AC if your not too fussy. By far the cheapest option.

3/. Massage is much less X-rated than LOS. MNL will typically be nothing or Handjob at best. AC may include FS but you will need to search it out. It's not everywhere like Pattaya. Online offerings will likely include extras but scams abound (bait and switch, 20 yo photos etc).

4/. Online. Quality lo to Hi: Pinalove, DIA, FipCupid, Tinder, Seeking. Filter out requests for $$. IG and Twitter also deserve a mention but require a lot of work. A general rule is pick your favourite, don't be such a Cheap Charlie, pay the $20 and reep the benefits.

5/. KTV are very Pinoy or East Asia focussed. It's a night out not point and shoot. Expect super hot girls and eye watering prices. Mostly dine in but take out is often available at very high prices. Did I say it's expensive??

6/. Girlie bars. Available everywhere. See what your getting before you pay but false promises and poor attitudes are much more common now. At least double the price of freelancers. Drinks only girls abound. Again it's more a night out. Stick to the foreigner hangouts: it can be risky walking into a Pinoy bar alone with a fist full of cash.

7/. Agencies are online. Basically just bargirls at double the cost. Ideal as point and shoot as they will be in your room in 30 minutes.

8/. Groups are on Facebook, IG and Twitter. A lot of work though and definitely not the best quality (except IG). Better to just search your preferred hashtag on IG and DM her.

You left out nightclubs

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Mlang;2808315]Looking at it that way, I'd say you're right. I've never written a field report, not out of laziness but rather because I'm not really into sharing my experiences. But I promise that when I land in Manila on May 17th I'll share a field report. Didn't mean to take too much without giving back. I've tried to send you a PM but it seems only paying members can do that. Feel free to share here whatever you want. Or don't.[/QUOTE]Not a personal attack on you but the impressions that your post gave so that others / newbies can get the most benefit from questions to the board.

1/ very broad questions without indicating what your preferences are so that specific replies can be written.

2/ questions that have extensive answers already on the board. Really invites a generic "ReadTheFuckingForum" reply.

3/. Little evidence of contributing to the forum during past trips, yet still expecting others to provide information.

4/. Not willing to pay for online membership for hook up sites or here hints at asking with no return. Membership to this forum also opens up PM options to ask specific questions from members who have been to where you want to go or have done what you want to.

Examples of bad FAQs that we receive:

Where can I get the hottest girls, money no object? (Way too vague, no idea of preferences).

How much are Burgos barfines? (Covered extensively already. RTFF!!)

I don't have time to RTFF but where is.... (But we are expected to take the time to reply?)

Good questions:

I want to stay within walking distance of Walking Street for $60/ night. Which has better rooms Hotel X or Hotel why?

I'm 6'3", 300#. Can I fit in a trike?

Apologies if I sound like a nazi or the net police. Just trying to help newbies ask questions that will get a valuable reply.

Enjoy. G.

Everytime I return from Phills I contract Gonorrhea.

All my intercourses were with condom but not blow jobs.

Never happen to me before in Thailand after multiple trips, only happens in Phillipines.

What you guys do, thinking of keeping 1 MG of azthro antibiotic always handy I guess.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2808733]Not a personal attack on you but the impressions that your post gave so that others / newbies can get the most benefit from questions to the board.

1/ very broad questions without indicating what your preferences are so that specific replies can be written.

2/ questions that have extensive answers already on the board. Really invites a generic "ReadTheFuckingForum" reply.

3/. Little evidence of contributing to the forum during past trips, yet still expecting others to provide information.

4/. Not willing to pay for online membership for hook up sites or here hints at asking with no return. Membership to this forum also opens up PM options to ask specific questions from members who have been to where you want to go or have done what you want to.

Examples of bad FAQs that we receive:

Where can I get the hottest girls, money no object? (Way too vague, no idea of preferences).

How much are Burgos barfines? (Covered extensively already. RTFF!!)

I don't have time to RTFF but where is.... (But we are expected to take the time to reply?)

Good questions:

I want to stay within walking distance of Walking Street for $60/ night. Which has better rooms Hotel X or Hotel why?

I'm 6'3", 300#. Can I fit in a trike?

Apologies if I sound like a nazi or the net police. Just trying to help newbies ask questions that will get a valuable reply.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Not an attack just calling it as seen. The guy has less than 20 posts and majority is just asking for info where he can RTFF. Probably never lifted a finger in group projects kind of guy LOL.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2808979]Everytime I return from Phills I contract Gonorrhea.

All my intercourses were with condom but not blow jobs.

Never happen to me before in Thailand after multiple trips, only happens in Phillipines.

What you guys do, thinking of keeping 1 MG of azthro antibiotic always handy I guess.[/QUOTE]You must be very unlucky if you catch Gonorrhea from blow jobs, especially if you catch it every trip. The Azithromycin is a bad idea. It's best to visit a clinic so they can test and give you the right antibiotics. They'll know which combination is working best for the local strain of Gonorrhea or other STD that you have.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2808979]
What you guys do, thinking of keeping 1 MG of azthro antibiotic always handy I guess.[/QUOTE]Since Azithromycin doesn't work anymore, it was a great way for me to put a tough case of gonorrhea into hiding for three months so I could spread it to several wore girls before it resumed giving me horrible symptoms and I finally had to get real treatment.

This is what everyone is doing now. You might think you caught it multiple times but actually you've just been carrying the same case and spreading it I dunno (if you were doing BBFS I'd be sure that's the case, with oral? Who knows).

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2809086]You must be very unlucky if you catch Gonorrhea from blow jobs, especially if you catch it every trip...[/QUOTE]Lots of guys here report doing 100 trips bareback consequence free. 🤔 I honestly thought no one would reply for fear of tempting fate. 😁.

I actually had two encounters in one trip.

A few weeks after leaving Cebu, a girl contacted me, trying to shake me down saying that I dosed her up, she had '000's in doctors bills and what was I going to do about it? I was symptom free but got tested anyway (all negative), told her so, then blocked her.

Then I got a call from another girl apologising profusely that she had tested positive and thought that she may have passed it on to me. Given that we had hooked up between girl 1 and me getting tested, I had to calm her down and let her know my results and that she didn't pass anything on to me. Turned out her doc hadn't done any real tests or examinations to confirm anything, only verbal questions followed immediately by a diagnosis.

A crazy couple of weeks but luckily it turned out fine.

I'd certainly be asking more questions about getting clapped up every trip. There is more to that story.

Enjoy. G.

I should have added that my run rate in PI isn't zero but it's pretty good. However, elsewhere it's about 999.

Crazy thing is that in PI I only date hookers, yet in my other country I only dated good girls.

Go figure. G.

Ok so I'm new as most of you can tell. While in Manila last week. I decided to try out Smooci and picked a girl named Yuri from there.

So here are my mistakes as I see them.

1. I let her charge me extra for transportation to my hotel. I was out by the airport (3 K peso down the drain) I know I wasn't thinking.

2. she got dinner out of me. Said she was hungry and had not eaten all day (extra pesos down the drain).

3. spent most of our time (my fault) talking about day to day stuff and didn't get down to business.

4 paid for 2 shots only got 1 because time ran out.

She felt really nice and had some skills but I think I could have negotiated alot better or could have done better with doing more research and talkiing with you guys on here.

Lessons learned and will do better next time in manila. On to Okinawa and see what's happening out there.

Bruh if this is true you are either really unlucky or not getting correct results. I have been with well over 100 girls in PH all bareback in the mouth and vag and never caught anything. I do take a doxycycline every morning during my trips there. Yes I understand there are strains that are hard to defeat. But if you take doxy every day and catch it before the bacterial load is high it will handle it. My ex girlfriend used to get UTIs every time we had sex so the doc prescribed Bactrim to be taken after every sex session. That's another option. But yes, as, always, life is risk / reward.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2808979]Everytime I return from Phills I contract Gonorrhea.

All my intercourses were with condom but not blow jobs.

Never happen to me before in Thailand after multiple trips, only happens in Phillipines.

What you guys do, thinking of keeping 1 MG of azthro antibiotic always handy I guess.[/QUOTE]

Gents. There is plenty of fun in the city. Make someone happy today. Someone small, twiggy, cute, and sub-5'.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2808979]Everytime I return from Phills I contract Gonorrhea.

All my intercourses were with condom but not blow jobs.

Never happen to me before in Thailand after multiple trips, only happens in Phillipines.

What you guys do, thinking of keeping 1 MG of azthro antibiotic always handy I guess.[/QUOTE]Oh course I'm just guessing but you need to stop picking up street / mall or wherever girls and dating apps. I have been coming there over 10 years and never so much caught caught a cold. That being said I only do bar girls. Is that completely safe, no but at least they are required to do medical checks. You are taking a huge risk with all others. Maybe I've just been lucky but it seems the bar girls are safer.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2808725]1/. Bars, freelancers and online. I'm a big online fan but that's me. YMMV.

2/. Freelancers are everywhere at night and in AC 24/7. Need to seek out diamonds in the rough and avoid baklas. Get laid in 5 minutes in AC if your not too fussy. By far the cheapest option.

3/. Massage is much less X-rated than LOS. MNL will typically be nothing or Handjob at best. AC may include FS but you will need to search it out. It's not everywhere like Pattaya. Online offerings will likely include extras but scams abound (bait and switch, 20 yo photos etc).

4/. Online. Quality lo to Hi: Pinalove, DIA, FipCupid, Tinder, Seeking. Filter out requests for $$. IG and Twitter also deserve a mention but require a lot of work. A general rule is pick your favourite, don't be such a Cheap Charlie, pay the $20 and reep the benefits.

5/. KTV are very Pinoy or East Asia focussed. It's a night out not point and shoot. Expect super hot girls and eye watering prices. Mostly dine in but take out is often available at very high prices. Did I say it's expensive??.[/QUOTE]Goferring this is pure gold, thank you buddy.

As for your other message, I don't take it as an attack and I do see your point. Maybe some of my questions sounded vague but I did actually "ReadTheFuckingForum" as far as the last 15 pages back to 2022 to see the current state of affairs. Personally I don't think my questions were so vague as I was asking for more precise details about certain things that were commented on the forum but not specified. Either way I get it, and I will also do a field report once I land in Manila. I do pay for online membership on dating apps like Tinder or Bumble, ThaiFriendly etc, but I haven't done so here yet just because I was not very active around here yet, just a post every now and then, and no need up until now to PM anybody. Anyway thanks for the info and for the nice tone, cheers.

[QUOTE=DafukuSayToMe;2809139]Ok so I'm new as most of you can tell. While in Manila last week. I decided to try out Smooci and picked a girl named Yuri from there.

So here are my mistakes as I see them.

1. I let her charge me extra for transportation to my hotel. I was out by the airport (3 K peso down the drain) I know I wasn't thinking.

2. she got dinner out of me. Said she was hungry and had not eaten all day (extra pesos down the drain).

3. spent most of our time (my fault) talking about day to day stuff and didn't get down to business.

4 paid for 2 shots only got 1 because time ran out.

She felt really nice and had some skills but I think I could have negotiated alot better or could have done better with doing more research and talkiing with you guys on here.

Lessons learned and will do better next time in manila. On to Okinawa and see what's happening out there.[/QUOTE]Good to read that you can still laugh about it. It's a real skill to be able to smile while being ripped off. 😜.

Unfortunately it happens to everyone so just move on and remember it for next time.

Enjoy. G.

Its just the downside of the hobby. My old cocktail was azithro + doxy + metronidazole. Too bad all those don't work anymore (metro still does work). Its pretty much 100% certainty that I will catch something when in PI. Azithro stopped working around 2015, and doxy stopped somewhere around 2018. And yes I have been disease free in all other countries except PI. I always bring in a doc, get IV and shots towards the end of my trip now. SOP.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2809342]Its just the downside of the hobby. My old cocktail was azithro + doxy + metronidazole. Too bad all those don't work anymore (metro still does work). Its pretty much 100% certainty that I will catch something when in PI. Azithro stopped working around 2015, and doxy stopped somewhere around 2018. And yes I have been disease free in all other countries except PI. I always bring in a doc, get IV and shots towards the end of my trip now. SOP.[/QUOTE]I'll expose my ignorance here:

Wouldn't routine jabs just promote resistance to antibiotics? I know rampant use of general antibiotics for decades in Asia has lead to numerous resistant strains of once easy to cure diseases. Where I live, you nearly need to be in a full coma before a doc will prescribe. They are definitely not given out "just in case".

Also, given incubation periods, wouldn't a test before returning home for the average two week warrior mean that he hadn't contacted anything on his first day in town. Any subsequent infection would still be testing negative??

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2809345]I'll expose my ignorance here:

Wouldn't routine jabs just promote resistance to antibiotics? I know rampant use of general antibiotics for decades in Asia has lead to numerous resistant strains of once easy to cure diseases. Where I live, you nearly need to be in a full coma before a doc will prescribe. They are definitely not given out "just in case".

Also, given incubation periods, wouldn't a test before returning home for the average two week warrior mean that he hadn't contacted anything on his first day in town. Any subsequent infection would still be testing negative??

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Let me jump in here:

-For chlaymdia doxycycline 100 MG twice a day for '10 days is the standard. Azithromycin alone doesn't cut it. Sometimes we use Doxy + azithro.

-For Gonorrhea, 250 MG of ceftriaxone in the butt x 1 or cefixime 400 MG by mouth x1 (a bit less effective than the shot).

-For bacterial vaginosis (fish smell); Metronidazole 2 gm x 1 (don't drink alcohol you will get sick).

-Syphillis: Pen G in the butt x 1 (2. 4 million units).

-Herpes on cock: no cure, drugs like acyclovir etc can reduce symptoms and are used as prevention in someone that already has herpes (to prevent recurrence), take that daily.

And yep, overuse of antibiotics does promote resistance, that is why the treatments for gonorrhea are so limited.

GG.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2809355]Let me jump in here:

-For chlaymdia doxycycline 100 MG twice a day for '10 days is the standard. Azithromycin alone doesn't cut it. Sometimes we use Doxy + azithro.

-For Gonorrhea, 250 MG of ceftriaxone in the butt x 1 or cefixime 400 MG by mouth x1 (a bit less effective than the shot).

-For bacterial vaginosis (fish smell); Metronidazole 2 gm x 1 (don't drink alcohol you will get sick).

-Syphillis: Pen G in the butt x 1 (2. 4 million units).

-Herpes on cock: no cure, drugs like acyclovir etc can reduce symptoms and are used as prevention in someone that already has herpes (to prevent recurrence), take that daily.

And yep, overuse of antibiotics does promote resistance, that is why the treatments for gonorrhea are so limited.

GG.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

These for a cure rather than prevention, yes? If so, was I correct that the infected person would only find out 2 weeks after contact, having only gotten false negative results any earlier?

Besides tarping up, are there any broad acting precautionary measures for those that simply must go bare? 😁.

Cheers. G.

You can 'prevent' by taking a lower dose each day. I do 100 MG doxy each morning while I'm in country. Doxycycline is commonly prescribed for dermatological issues for a month or more at a time. As I said earlier my (ex) girlfriend was prescribed bacrtim to take every time after sex because she was getting bacterial infections. Yes if you have a full blown case of Chl or Gon with a high bacterial load, you would take what Geneva said. The idea is to catch it before it develops, therefore the daily use.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2809358]Thanks.

These for a cure rather than prevention, yes? If so, was I correct that the infected person would only find out 2 weeks after contact, having only gotten false negative results any earlier?

Besides tarping up, are there any broad acting precautionary measures for those that simply must go bare? 😁.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]

I don't recommend any type of antibotics. But it has become my current practice to bring in the doc to get a good cocktail of shots and IV if needed before I leave the PI. Its just for my peace of mind.

Hi Dr be.

Nit sure if this came too late.

There is a massage joint within the airport, they can allow you a HJ unwind.

Hope this helps. Victor.

Breezed through town for a short visit. Burgos sure is tons of fun but man does it get expensive fast. Are they trying to make up for lost time? Don't remember it being this expensive 12 years ago. Even the beer prices were steep at every bar I stepped into. I did meet several dating app talent for some fun activities. Deleted my accounts though, on my way to pattaya this afternoon. Problem I had was many dating app girls lived outside the city. I can't give out contact numbers or receive pms but maybe search pina for them? Micaella was hot, pretty sure her name was her profile name. Hyx1 another. Was having trouble finding girls on my laptop, the cities don't seem to match the apps search. Now I did find that I could view a profile that the app wouldn't allow by typing in her profile name into the search bar. Another trick for girls you can't message is to send one to any girl. Then hit refresh and by waiting out the timer you can now send a chat to that girl. The app let's you then continue messaging after that first one.

Some beautiful ladies here in Manila but they can be so hard to find. Thailand can be more expensive but there's so much more.

[QUOTE=McDicker;2810198]Burgos sure is tons of fun but man does it get expensive fast. Are they trying to make up for lost time? Don't remember it being this expensive 12 years ago.[/QUOTE]MD: Interesting perspective, which has already been covered here. To recap:

1) 12 years means a near-doubling of prices of most things, anywhere. Inflation.

2) Covid resulted in rampant inflation, the world over.

3) Burgos barfine and tip amounts are the same as before covid. 2019 barfine amounts in almost every bar was p3900, and typical tip amount was 5000 (the girl getting 1000 of the barfine amount, combined with her tip was about p6000 total for her). Current barfine amounts are either p3500,3900, or 4000, tip amount 5-6000. LD's are still 1/10 the barfine amount.

MD, what bars did you hit? What were the girls like? What bar (s) did you pull from? If you didn't take a gogo girl, did you take a SW? Or alternately did you take from Tinder (or such electronic), or LAC? What did the girl cost? A descriptive FR would be nice.

[QUOTE=McDicker;2810198]Breezed through town for a short visit. Micaella was hot, pretty sure her name was her profile name. Hyx1 another. Was having trouble finding girls on my laptop, the cities don't seem to match the apps search. Now I did find that I could view a profile that the app wouldn't allow by typing in her profile name into the search bar. Another trick for girls you can't message is to send one to any girl. Then hit refresh and by waiting out the timer you can now send a chat to that girl. The app let's you then continue messaging after that first one.
Some beautiful ladies here in Manila but they can be so hard to find. Thailand can be more expensive but there's so much more.[/QUOTE]Found this, but the pixel art is in the eye of the beholder. But thanks for the share

How much are the full body massages with handjobs going for in Metro Manila? These are freelancers girls that do hotel appointments.

[QUOTE=DiorHomie;2811709]How much are the full body massages with handjobs going for in Metro Manila? These are freelancers girls that do hotel appointments.[/QUOTE]P500 for the massage. Extras negotiable for each girl. The HJ might be an extra 500-1000. Lots of such FL gals available on Burgos and Durban Sts.

Gentlemen, please don't start roasting me with RTFF and so on, but I genuinely couldn't find any relevant info regarding my question, the question being:

Is there any action to be found around the Marriott / Newport?

I will be at the Marriott next week attending an event. With others from the company in attendance, its a bit difficult for me to sneak away for anything more than a couple of hours (read that as a few beers and a quicky), so going to LA Cafe and the likes is a challenge. Appreciate any useful info here. I used the search function in the Manila and Phillipine sections but got nothing informative.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2813525]I will be at the Marriott next week attending an event. With others from the company in attendance, its a bit difficult for me to sneak away for anything more than a couple of hours (read that as a few beers and a quicky), so going to LA Cafe and the likes is a challenge. Appreciate any useful info here. I used the search function in the Manila and Phillipine sections but got nothing informative.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Escort services or Tinder.

Guys pardon my grammar mistakes in advance, English is not my first language.

Landed in Manila early April and stayed 2 weeks. I have two disadvantages.

1- I look Arab / Indian.

2- Not having deep pockets.

Anyhow, 95% of girls I set up for weeks ahead turned out to be flaky. 5% or 4 girls who showed up are not as good looking as I like but still better than nothing.

My main game was in LA cafe, Robinson Mall, and Little bit of Burgos.

I had more success in Robinson than anywhere else, stayed at Malate (Palm hotel) and red planet in Makati.

I paid around 1000 peso to 2000 peso in Robinson mall. Fortunately I have good taste (in my own way).

I like girl next door look, little curvy but not fat, and preferred no baby (not easy to find) kind of girl.

L. A cafe was hit and miss, paid About anywhere from 2000 to 3000ST (I don't do long time).

Pina love, Tinder, Filipina Cupid is mainly useless if you are in town, unless you talk to freelancer.

Overall, I will not waste my time much in Manila, but Straight head to AC, or Cebu next time. It was okay trip but not as fun as Thailand where you get what you pay for.

I need to try other parts of Philippines before I judge. This is my 2nd trip to Manila.

I will be traveling to the Philippines for the first time later this year. I will be setting up my home base in Manila. I am hoping to find a pinay in Manila to travel with me to Boracay for a short 3 days / 2 nights trip. I was hoping to get some advice and / or insights from people who have traveled with a pinay before.

My plan:

-Spend a week searching for and meeting with ladies on seeking.

-If I meet someone who I vibe with and I feel like won't bail on me, buy her round trip flights myself (which of course would require her to provide me personal information like her real name and DOB).

-I will be offering to pay for all expenses during the trip (I will be staying at a luxury 5-star resort) plus an allowance.

Some potential difficulties I foresee:

-The short amount of time I have in Manila to find a girl willing to travel with me. I would have about 8-10 days in Manila before my trip to Boracay. I would like to meet a girl at least twice, but preferably at least three times, before making the decision.

-I am an overweight Asian-American man. It seems pinays prefer white guys, so I am not sure how much my chances are hurt by being East Asian and overweight.

-Availability of girls. I imagine most girls have jobs, school, or something else that would make it hard to be able to leave for three days. In order to maximize my chances I plan to leave Manila on a Friday flight departing around noon and returning Sunday afternoon around 4 pm. I figure this would maximize my chances of finding a girl who can travel, especially college girls who don't have classes on weekends.

-Girl hesitant to give me personal info required to book her flight. I want to minimize my chances of a girl bailing on me, so I figure buying plane ticket myself is the best way. Alternatively I can offer to reimburse her after she pays for the flight herself, but I assume girls would prefer I pay. Third option is to buy the ticket at Manila airport if she shows up.

Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I don't know if I am being naive, but based on some reports I've read here there will be plenty of girls jumping for an opportunity for a luxury stay in Boracay. Do I have a snowball's chance to find a girl to go with me? Should I be using other sites other than seeking for my search? Again any advice would be truly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2813525]Gentlemen, please don't start roasting me with RTFF and so on, but I genuinely couldn't find any relevant info regarding my question, the question being:

Is there any action to be found around the Marriott / Newport?

I will be at the Marriott next week attending an event. With others from the company in attendance, its a bit difficult for me to sneak away for anything more than a couple of hours (read that as a few beers and a quicky), so going to LA Cafe and the likes is a challenge. Appreciate any useful info here. I used the search function in the Manila and Phillipine sections but got nothing informative.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Your request is a little vague but I'll assume you don't want Debbie from HR to see you walking through the lobby with a couple of 19 yo bargirls nor have to explain a 6 hour absence away from everyone??

Option 1 is an in-house rub and tug. Just dial a massage to your room. Others can chime in if Marriott massage girls will also provide Full Service. Likely not. Expect to be grossly overcharged for the convenience but beggars can't be choosers.

Option 2 is run to a foreigner friendly bar (any on Burgos will do) immediately explain to mama that you want to see a lineup of girls who can leave for a ST now. Select the most appealing. You will have been in the bar 15 minutes max. Take her to SOGO for as long or short a time as you are comfortable with. Some bars do have onsite rooms if you want them but it's a risk if someone sees you onsite.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2813780]I will be traveling to the Philippines for the first time later this year. I will be setting up my home base in Manila. I am hoping to find a pinay in Manila to travel with me to Boracay for a short 3 days / 2 nights trip. I was hoping to get some advice and / or insights from people who have traveled with a pinay before.

My plan:

-Spend a week searching for and meeting with ladies on seeking.

-If I meet someone who I vibe with and I feel like won't bail on me, buy her round trip flights myself (which of course would require her to provide me personal information like her real name and DOB).

-I will be offering to pay for all expenses during the trip (I will be staying at a luxury 5-star resort) plus an allowance.

Some potential difficulties I foresee:

-The short amount of time I have in Manila to find a girl willing to travel with me. I would have about 8-10 days in Manila before my trip to Boracay. I would like to meet a girl at least twice, but preferably at least three times, before making the decision.

-I am an overweight Asian-American man. It seems pinays prefer white guys, so I am not sure how much my chances are hurt by being East Asian and overweight.

-Availability of girls. I imagine most girls have jobs, school, or something else that would make it hard to be able to leave for three days. In order to maximize my chances I plan to leave Manila on a Friday flight departing around noon and returning Sunday afternoon around 4 pm. I figure this would maximize my chances of finding a girl who can travel, especially college girls who don't have classes on weekends.

-Girl hesitant to give me personal info required to book her flight. I want to minimize my chances of a girl bailing on me, so I figure buying plane ticket myself is the best way. Alternatively I can offer to reimburse her after she pays for the flight herself, but I assume girls would prefer I pay. Third option is to buy the ticket at Manila airport if she shows up.

Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I don't know if I am being naive, but based on some reports I've read here there will be plenty of girls jumping for an opportunity for a luxury stay in Boracay. Do I have a snowball's chance to find a girl to go with me? Should I be using other sites other than seeking for my search? Again any advice would be truly appreciated. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Your plan is very feasible. Many guys travel with girls ranging from good girls thru to full on hookers. 3 days is a sweet spot: long enough to entice girls but not so long that you become trapped with her.

Seeking is one of many options. It's the highest in the cost / quality curve. She will want the trip to be well compensated but will likely to be educated and / or employed, good company and pretty. Other options are the other online apps or even meeting a girl organically during the day / at a food hall etc. I'd probably stay away from the hard core hookers.

In terms of tickets and payments the process is 1/ find someone you vibe with first. Do not use a potential holiday as a carrot to meet. You want to ensure that you get on first and not have her behave just to win the prize. 2/ mention you are going to Bora and "do you want to come?" 3/ if yes, get her full name and DOB. 4/ if no (unlikely), go to your second choice and repeat. 5/ go online and book your and her tickets and hotel for 2. You keep the tickets. Do not have her take money and book etc. There is little incentive for her not to just take the money and disappear 6/. Go and enjoy yourself. Decide on how much you want to do together: taking her scuba diving, jet ski rides etc can get surprisingly expensive. She will be 100% OK will the staying in the room while you go and do these and then return for an afternoon session. Be prepared to buy her a bikini and other trinkets that she "forgot".

10 days in MNL is plenty of time to meet, road test and select girls. As I said, don't mention the holiday before selection to ensure you see them in their natural state. To save time, screen the girls heavily before meeting. A shop assistant or similar will easily take time off, a girl with a real CBD job probably can't. Decide on the calibre of girl that you want beforehand.

Have you seen the average monger? There are not too many male models to compete with. Asian guys have a reputation of being free spenders and less demanding so are actually very attractive to many girls.

You will be flooded with options. Your plan to travel over a weekend is good as it widens the pool of candidates.

Girls are familiar with showing ID multiple times a day so won't balk are giving you their details to buy the ticket. They will understand that if they don't, then they have no chance of coming. Remember you buy the ticket. She won't have the money to buy it upfront and you don't want to hand her cash and hope for the best.

You have an excellent chance of pulling this off. Other sites would be Filipino Cupid or Date in Asia. I wouldn't fall in love with a bar girl and take her. Don't rull out meeting a girl during the day or in a food hall etc. Pinas are amazingly approachable.

Personally, I only start looking online when I'm in country. "Meet after school?" Is much more effective than "meet next month, if I come at all?

Enjoy. G.

If you want the downsides of travelling with a hooker:

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG......[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;1972066]OK, so the trip above is now finished. Her attitude improved over the second week but still wasn't all that I had hoped for......[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your response and recommendations. Especially this.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2813965]Do not use a potential holiday as a carrot to meet. You want to ensure that you get on first and not have her behave just to win the prize.[/QUOTE]My plan was to mention the trip in my profile to try to get more responses, but I will take it out.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2813965]Your plan is very feasible. Many guys travel with girls ranging from good girls thru to full on hookers. 3 days is a sweet spot: long enough to entice girls but not so long that you become trapped with her.

Seeking is one of many options. It's the highest in the cost / quality curve. She will want the trip to be well compensated but will likely to be educated and / or employed, good company and pretty. Other options are the other online apps or even meeting a girl organically during the day / at a food hall etc. I'd probably stay away from the hard core hookers.

In terms of tickets and payments the process is 1/ find someone you vibe with first. Do not use a potential holiday as a carrot to meet. You want to ensure that you get on first and not have her behave just to win the prize. 2/ mention you are going to Bora and "do you want to come?" 3/ if yes, get her full name and DOB. 4/ if no (unlikely), go to your second choice and repeat. 5/ go online and book your and her tickets and hotel for 2. You keep the tickets. Do not have her take money and book etc. There is little incentive for her not to just take the money and disappear 6/. Go and enjoy yourself. Decide on how much you want to do together: taking her scuba diving, jet ski rides etc can get surprisingly expensive. She will be 100% OK will the staying in the room while you go and do these and then return for an afternoon session. Be prepared to buy her a bikini and other trinkets that she "forgot".

10 days in MNL is plenty of time to meet, road test and select girls. As I said, don't mention the holiday before selection to ensure you see them in their natural state. To save time, screen the girls heavily before meeting. A shop assistant or similar will easily take time off, a girl with a real CBD job probably can't. Decide on the calibre of girl that you want beforehand.[/QUOTE]All great advice.

I would add to always make sure the girl's pictured ID is valid for airplane travel. Example is a girl might only have a valid high school or college ID which may not be valid for airplane travel. It may lack her birthdate on it or itself is not valid for travel. Get online to make sure which ID is valid for travel before booking.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2814002]All great advice.

I would add to always make sure the girl's pictured ID is valid for airplane travel. Example is a girl might only have a valid high school or college ID which may not be valid for airplane travel. It may lack her birthdate on it or itself is not valid for travel. Get online to make sure which ID is valid for travel before booking.[/QUOTE]Concur. Valid ID's are government-issued. Those issued by colleges or employers are not valid for travel. Even a Barangay ID might be OK for travel and hotel check-in. College / employer ID's might not have birthdates, addresses, or signature areas. A high school ID would be reason for you to RUN FOR THE HILLS. Take a picture of any such ID, regardless her age, and keep it in the cloud.

It appears from watching some Youtube videos that some new bars / nightclubs have opened on P Burgos Street. I see a bar called Neon Nights has opened up. It appears to be a nightclub / disco rather than a Go Go bar.

Has anyone been inside and can provide the rundown on this place?

I will be visiting Phils. Alabang area. Any advise to get freelancers or nice massage place. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2814127]It appears from watching some Youtube videos that some new bars / nightclubs have opened on P Burgos Street. I see a bar called Neon Nights has opened up. It appears to be a nightclub / disco rather than a Go Go bar.

Has anyone been inside and can provide the rundown on this place?[/QUOTE]Please click 'advanced search' at the top of the page, and scroll down in the scroll countries box to the Philippines threads. Type my username into the username box WestCoast1, and enter they keyword Neon. Also click the box next to 'Also search in Subforums', make sure its ON. There are reports (with pics) of Neon Nights in the Makati thread.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2813701]

I had more success in Robinson than anywhere else, stayed at Malate (Palm hotel) and red planet in Makati.

I paid around 1000 peso to 2000 peso in Robinson mall. Fortunately I have good taste (in my own way).


[/QUOTE]MohdirFan82, would you mind describing your Robinson mall strategies, tips for success, things to do / not do et. ? I have planned my vacation and also staying in Malate, hoping to find some freelancers in Robinson mall. Thank you in advance.

For me, picking up freelancers inside the mall is practically dead, since the pandemic. Since the Pi opened up there airports to tourists, I have returned at least 5 times to seek the pleasures of the Pinays. But, you can find tail outside the mall on the corner. Across the street, you will see the McDonald's. Most of the time, many will be run by a handler pimpette. They usually ask for 2,500 P but it is always negotiable for a little less. Some may ask for payment up front, but that is a NO GO for me! I recommend asking what's on the menu, and reach an accord what you want! Good luck on your ventures and pleasures! Luvchicas, on my last day in MNL.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2815024]For me, picking up freelancers inside the mall is practically dead, since the pandemic. Since the Pi opened up there airports to tourists, I have returned at least 5 times to seek the pleasures of the Pinays. But, you can find tail outside the mall on the corner. Across the street, you will see the McDonald's. Most of the time, many will be run by a handler pimpette. They usually ask for 2,500 P but it is always negotiable for a little less. Some may ask for payment up front, but that is a NO GO for me! I recommend asking what's on the menu, and reach an accord what you want! Good luck on your ventures and pleasures! Luvchicas, on my last day in MNL.[/QUOTE]I would have to admit that the girls working robinsons over the past week or so were the best I have ever seen there. I still wouldn't pull any, but at least they weren't hideous, had to do a couple of double takes this time.

When I was in Malate, a couple of months ago, there were a lot of girls handing out flyers for massages. Some of these girls were quite hot. Are they generally available for full service or are they genuinely just marketing massage services?

RG.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2814127]It appears from watching some Youtube videos that some new bars / nightclubs have opened on P Burgos Street. I see a bar called Neon Nights has opened up. It appears to be a nightclub / disco rather than a Go Go bar.

Has anyone been inside and can provide the rundown on this place?[/QUOTE]If you like your music so loud you can't hear yourself think. You will love it.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2815189]When I was in Malate, a couple of months ago, there were a lot of girls handing out flyers for massages. Some of these girls were quite hot. Are they generally available for full service or are they genuinely just marketing massage services?[/QUOTE]They are available for extra goodies. They hang on the northwest corner of Adriatico / Pedro Gil, over to Mabini / Pedro Gil. They pass out a flier or biz card with their name and phone number.

I will suggest you not only to depend on Robinson mall but also PinaLove and LA cafe. I normally hang around entrance near Starbucks and make eye contact with Freelancers.

Don't worry they will make eye contact with you and sometimes come to you. Day time LA cafe is totally waste of time, and very fuggly girls.

[QUOTE=PIExplorer;2814933]MohdirFan82, would you mind describing your Robinson mall strategies, tips for success, things to do / not do et. ? I have planned my vacation and also staying in Malate, hoping to find some freelancers in Robinson mall. Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2815189]When I was in Malate, a couple of months ago, there were a lot of girls handing out flyers for massages. Some of these girls were quite hot. Are they generally available for full service or are they genuinely just marketing massage services?

RG.[/QUOTE]There are bait and switch and also underage scams. Beware!

Hello friends, I asked this earlier but did not get much of a response, hence trying again.

Looking for data points on what it costs for extra service with girls from Yonaguni or Hoshiko spa or the Shogun spa. Both I found on MR.

They have range of options from 2 k-5 k pesos for the massage only, not the release.

I want to know what the girls would charge me for the release, how many shots for that and time, and the services they would be willing to offer.

Any data points would help making a decision. So I do not have to disappoint myself and pay them a return fee, etc.

Please help!

[QUOTE=Sammon;2815388]There are bait and switch and also underage scams. Beware![/QUOTE]Scams as in extortion?

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2816102]Scams as in extortion?[/QUOTE]Of course. Some are entrapments to relieve you of a substantial amount of $$.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2816161]Of course. Some are entrapments to relieve you of a substantial amount of $$.[/QUOTE]Happy to say I never availed myself of any of their offers. Did seem a little bit sketchy to be honest.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2816452]Happy to say I never availed myself of any of their offers. Did seem a little bit sketchy to be honest.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. The vast majority of time, transactions occur where everyone is satisfied. Poor lady performance would be the more-often issue.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2815197]If you like your music so loud you can't hear yourself think. You will love it.[/QUOTE]I note Locamotive's comment that the music is so loud you can't hear yourself think so I assume that Neon is the "High Society " of P Burgos?

There is also a new venue called "Loop Club" at 5038 P Burgos Street which appears to be a nightclub (and also a challenge to ones hearing).

I haven't been to Manila since Covid but it appears (from YouTube) that a lot of new venues have opened up in P Burgos.

Is it changing or as the Chinese phrase goes "the more things change the more they stay the same" ?

[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2815885]Hello friends, I asked this earlier but did not get much of a response, hence trying again. Looking for data points on what it costs for extra service with girls from Yonaguni or Hoshiko spa or the Shogun spa. Both I found on MR. They have range of options from 2 k-5 k pesos for the massage only, not the release. I want to know what the girls would charge me for the release, how many shots for that and time, and the services they would be willing to offer. Any data points would help making a decision. So I do not have to disappoint myself and pay them a return fee, etc. Please help![/QUOTE]It will depend on which girl you get, the more experienced will have their own formula as to what they will ask / charge. But in general just figure it will be the same as the massage rate. Ie if the massage was 3 k, then the extra will be about 3 k. Expect to have to bargain (it does kill the mood) as they will start high.

It would be cheaper to get a massage if you want a massage and the extra from a pro as cumulatively it will be cheaper, unless of course you were after the nuru. If you straight up just want to drain the lizard, its better to just do a search for escorts. It will cost about the same 4-5 K and that will get you 2 shots, and you might be able to sneak in a simple massage.

[QUOTE=DirtyTom;2815885]Hello friends, I asked this earlier but did not get much of a response, hence trying again.

Looking for data points on what it costs for extra service with girls from Yonaguni or Hoshiko spa or the Shogun spa. Both I found on MR.

They have range of options from 2 k-5 k pesos for the massage only, not the release.

I want to know what the girls would charge me for the release, how many shots for that and time, and the services they would be willing to offer.

Any data points would help making a decision. So I do not have to disappoint myself and pay them a return fee, etc.

Please help![/QUOTE]What kind of a massage costs 2000-5000 pesos in Manila? I get two hours hot stone very good massage at their place for 900 pesos. Let us say in call just for massage costs extra 500. So the total should not be more than 1500 just for the massage. Usually in call means there will be extras. Extras and the cost can be be discussed in your room. Most massage places allow in calls. Just call random massage places and ask them for in call massage. One time maybe cost 2000-3000 for sex. So the total should not be more than 5000.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2816796]Is it changing or as the Chinese phrase goes "the more things change the more they stay the same" ?[/QUOTE]Pretty sure that's a French saying. "La plus ca change. . . "

I haven't found much by RTFF, and I'm wondering if there's some kind of service where you can get a girl to keep you company in the car from the airport to your hotel? I know lots of escorts advertise BJ in car, but I really don't intend on renting a car or hiring a driver every day.

Can I just get a taxi and hire a girl to blow me on the way to the hotel? Or is there some other kind of solution? If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=LuvChicas;2815024]For me, picking up freelancers inside the mall is practically dead, since the pandemic. Since the Pi opened up there airports to tourists, I have returned at least 5 times to seek the pleasures of the Pinays. But, you can find tail outside the mall on the corner. Across the street, you will see the McDonald's. Most of the time, many will be run by a handler pimpette. They usually ask for 2,500 P but it is always negotiable for a little less. Some may ask for payment up front, but that is a NO GO for me! I recommend asking what's on the menu, and reach an accord what you want! Good luck on your ventures and pleasures! Luvchicas, on my last day in MNL.[/QUOTE]I've never paid more than 1 k outside Robinsons.

The most I been asked was 1.5 k quickly countered.

Last trip was 12/2019.

I'll be back soon to bring some clarity to that market.

Hello,

Great contributors to the Philippines forums. It's me again (I asked for feedback on my plans to BYOG from Manila). Thank you for the feedback. It was much appreciated. As I started planning in more detail my upcoming vacation to the Philippines, my plans have changed a little and had a few more questions. Any feedback would truly be much appreciated.

I now plan to be in Manila for six days instead of ten (I added another island destination to my travel plans). I assume that's enough time to test drive girls and set up a BYOG?

I now am thinking I would like to BYOG for several destinations back-to-back. This would require a girl to travel with me for seven days straight. How difficult (or maybe easy) will it be to find a non-pro to travel with me for that long? I still plan to look only on SA, with the exception of trying my luck with meeting one at the shopping mall food court. Also, I have no problems sending her back early if things don't go very well.

If I cannot land a BYOG for the whole island hopping journey, I plan to just send the girl home after the first destination. Which of these destinations would a girl be most excited to go to, so I can make that the first leg of my island hopping journey? El Nido, Boracay or Coron?

If I BYOG for only one destination, will days of the week matter in improving my chances? I figure a weekend trip Fri-Sun would be easier for a student since there might not be any classes, but on the other hand I figure middle of the week might be easier for like a shop girl to take off work because I assume weekends are busier.

Thanks again for any feedback. Sorry for the long posts!

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2818211]Hello,

Great contributors to the Philippines forums. It's me again (I asked for feedback on my plans to BYOG from Manila). Thank you for the feedback. It was much appreciated. As I started planning in more detail my upcoming vacation to the Philippines, my plans have changed a little and had a few more questions. Any feedback would truly be much appreciated.

I now plan to be in Manila for six days instead of ten (I added another island destination to my travel plans). I assume that's enough time to test drive girls and set up a BYOG?

I now am thinking I would like to BYOG for several destinations back-to-back. This would require a girl to travel with me for seven days straight. How difficult (or maybe easy) will it be to find a non-pro to travel with me for that long? I still plan to look only on SA, with the exception of trying my luck with meeting one at the shopping mall food court. Also, I have no problems sending her back early if things don't go very well.

If I cannot land a BYOG for the whole island hopping journey, I plan to just send the girl home after the first destination. Which of these destinations would a girl be most excited to go to, so I can make that the first leg of my island hopping journey? El Nido, Boracay or Coron?

If I BYOG for only one destination, will days of the week matter in improving my chances? I figure a weekend trip Fri-Sun would be easier for a student since there might not be any classes, but on the other hand I figure middle of the week might be easier for like a shop girl to take off work because I assume weekends are busier.

Thanks again for any feedback. Sorry for the long posts![/QUOTE]Semester break is late June.

[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2818167]Can I just get a taxi and hire a girl to blow me on the way to the hotel? Or is there some other kind of solution? If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Its a good fantasy, but questionable. Finding a driver who is willing to allow that is real iffy. Finding a girl who is willing is also another iffy. Other gents weigh in.

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2818178]I've never paid more than 1 k outside Robinsons.

The most I been asked was 1.5 k quickly countered.

Last trip was 12/2019.

I'll be back soon to bring some clarity to that market.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying the timeline (pre-covid). As discussed on the board for a year or more, Covid has wildly sent prices soaring in certain sectors. For example, AC barfines went from p2-3 k before covid, to 4500-5000 when AC re-opened last year. Pre / post-covid price comparisons are difficult to make. All prices change, not only over time, but even by the same girl. Her hot ass might routinely get p3 k for ST, but in a pinch she might hop down to 1500 today, or 1000 even, for a quickie in order to pay the family water bill.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2818292]Thanks for clarifying the timeline (pre-covid). As discussed on the board for a year or more, Covid has wildly sent prices soaring in certain sectors. For example, AC barfines went from p2-3 k before covid, to 4500-5000 when AC re-opened last year. Pre / post-covid price comparisons are difficult to make. All prices change, not only over time, but even by the same girl. Her hot ass might routinely get p3 k for ST, but in a pinch she might hop down to 1500 today, or 1000 even, for a quickie in order to pay the family water bill.[/QUOTE]I pay somewhat more but I've never seen a girl at Robinsons I would take.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2818211]Hello,

Great contributors to the Philippines forums. It's me again (I asked for feedback on my plans to BYOG from Manila). Thank you for the feedback. It was much appreciated. As I started planning in more detail my upcoming vacation to the Philippines, my plans have changed a little and had a few more questions. Any feedback would truly be much appreciated.

I now plan to be in Manila for six days instead of ten (I added another island destination to my travel plans). I assume that's enough time to test drive girls and set up a BYOG?

I now am thinking I would like to BYOG for several destinations back-to-back. This would require a girl to travel with me for seven days straight. How difficult (or maybe easy) will it be to find a non-pro to travel with me for that long? I still plan to look only on SA, with the exception of trying my luck with meeting one at the shopping mall food court. Also, I have no problems sending her back early if things don't go very well.

If I cannot land a BYOG for the whole island hopping journey, I plan to just send the girl home after the first destination. Which of these destinations would a girl be most excited to go to, so I can make that the first leg of my island hopping journey? El Nido, Boracay or Coron?

If I BYOG for only one destination, will days of the week matter in improving my chances? I figure a weekend trip Fri-Sun would be easier for a student since there might not be any classes, but on the other hand I figure middle of the week might be easier for like a shop girl to take off work because I assume weekends are busier.

Thanks again for any feedback. Sorry for the long posts![/QUOTE]Having taken girls on vacation few times I will offer some tidbits. My girls are strictly from dating sites.

Never taken a girl for more than 3 nights. The whole thing boils down to chemistry. Are or she a boring companion? You cannot be laying in bed and having sex whole seven days. Not many Philippine girls are into beaches, beach activities or snorkeling or diving or taking island tours. The whole country is next to beaches because of islands nation. Most do not want to expose their skin to sunlight because they will get dark easily. There will be many girls go with if offered right compensation.

Next is logistics. You book tickets, plan etc. Most are non cancellable. Firstly you need to test drive. Stay with the couple of days in a hotel to see how you interact. The girls I took have been with me many times before and in fact it is their idea to go on vacation. It is not easy to get up in the morning and tell the girl you are shipping her off.

Sexwise girl will be tired after couple of days. Plan accordingly.

[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2818167]I haven't found much by RTFF, and I'm wondering if there's some kind of service where you can get a girl to keep you company in the car from the airport to your hotel? I know lots of escorts advertise BJ in car, but I really don't intend on renting a car or hiring a driver every day.

Can I just get a taxi and hire a girl to blow me on the way to the hotel? Or is there some other kind of solution? If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Don't want to be rude, but this is absolute insanity. Finding a driver in advance willing to risk you firing off in his car is low probability, finding an escort willing to wait for you at airport is low probability, two mixed together are nigh on impossible. Save it for arrival at hotel or sort out fantasy when you're in Manila and can ask around for the willing.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2818292]Thanks for clarifying the timeline (pre-covid). As discussed on the board for a year or more, Covid has wildly sent prices soaring in certain sectors. For example, AC barfines went from p2-3 k before covid, to 4500-5000 when AC re-opened last year. Pre / post-covid price comparisons are difficult to make. All prices change, not only over time, but even by the same girl. Her hot ass might routinely get p3 k for ST, but in a pinch she might hop down to 1500 today, or 1000 even, for a quickie in order to pay the family water bill.[/QUOTE]Price is 1 k unless she's a rarity.

Mamasan may be in the mix on occasion but she gets 200 p.

Inflation should change nothing in that particular market.

2500 p is MADNESS.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2818356]Never taken a girl for more than 3 nights. The whole thing boils down to chemistry. Are or she a boring companion? You cannot be laying in bed and having sex whole seven days. Not many Philippine girls are into beaches, beach activities or snorkeling or diving or taking island tours. The whole country is next to beaches because of islands nation. Most do not want to expose their skin to sunlight because they will get dark easily. There will be many girls go with if offered right compensation.

Next is logistics. You book tickets, plan etc. Most are non cancellable. Firstly you need to test drive. Stay with the couple of days in a hotel to see how you interact. The girls I took have been with me many times before and in fact it is their idea to go on vacation. It is not easy to get up in the morning and tell the girl you are shipping her off.

Sexwise girl will be tired after couple of days. Plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the valuable insights. In terms of booking it is pretty low risk for me, as I will mostly be booking hotel rooms and activities that I would have by myself anyways. But your insight about how not many Filipino girls are into touristy activities is enlightening. I will keep that in mind as my travel plans develop. Thank you, your feedback is much appreciated!

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2818178]I've never paid more than 1 k outside Robinsons.

The most I been asked was 1.5 k quickly countered.

Last trip was 12/2019.

I'll be back soon to bring some clarity to that market.[/QUOTE]Can you kindly clarify how you will be clarifying the market back to 1 k please?

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2818414]Price is 1 k unless she's a rarity.

Mamasan may be in the mix on occasion but she gets 200 p.

Inflation should change nothing in that particular market.

2500 p is MADNESS.[/QUOTE]P2500 would not have been a huge overpayment before covid, it would have been simply a newb mistake (or something done for convenience sake). Regardless of what you experienced pre-covid, some things have changed. Some for the better, some not. For instance, Burgos prices have risen far less than inflation, while AC prices have roughly doubled. Are market forces (ie, the rich K's moving in) madness? The price per pound of ground hamburger doubled in my home country where my family lives during covid, and gasoline rocked up to $5 per gallon at one point. It wasn't madness to pay that. We often use the term 'the going rate' on this forum, then we don't like it when the going rate changes.

BTW, there are more than inflationary items working here.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2818359]Don't want to be rude, but this is absolute insanity. Finding a driver in advance willing to risk you firing off in his car is low probability, finding an escort willing to wait for you at airport is low probability, two mixed together are nigh on impossible. Save it for arrival at hotel or sort out fantasy when you're in Manila and can ask around for the willing.[/QUOTE]ABC did offer this service to AC so there must be buyers and sellers somewhere. Hell, they would even organise a helicopter if you asked nice enough.

I have no idea if they are still available, costs, etc.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2818432]Can you kindly clarify how you will be clarifying the market back to 1 k please?[/QUOTE]Simple. Offer 1 k and wait. However, TF could be waiting a long time or have to dramatically lower his standards.

Having said that, I have been surprised in the past at what girls will accept when pressed / in need or when the guy has the luxury of time to wait.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2818514]P2500 would not have been a huge overpayment before covid, it would have been simply a newb mistake (or something done for convenience sake). Regardless of what you experienced pre-covid, some things have changed. Some for the better, some not. For instance, Burgos prices have risen far less than inflation, while AC prices have roughly doubled. Are market forces (ie, the rich K's moving in) madness? The price per pound of ground hamburger doubled in my home country where my family lives during covid, and gasoline rocked up to $5 per gallon at one point. It wasn't madness to pay that. We often use the term 'the going rate' on this forum, then we don't like it when the going rate changes.

BTW, there are more than inflationary items working here.[/QUOTE]Subject is Robinsons, P Burgos and Angeles prices are set differently (by the establishment).

They raise price, gringos pay it, NEW PRICE!

I believe the inflation there in those venues.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2818432]Can you kindly clarify how you will be clarifying the market back to 1 k please?[/QUOTE]Going to location (hardest part, airfares are: vomit).

Taking ladies from location.

Reporting back.

Maybe I'll have a surprise but I am good at the hunt, so we'll see.

Unfortunately my first crack will be September / October.

(ladies know me, what I pay and talk amongst themselves so I may have a head start, though that may have changed too over the years).

I love a challenge, lets see.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2818624]Simple. Offer 1 k and wait. However, TF could be waiting a long time or have to dramatically lower his standards.

Having said that, I have been surprised in the past at what girls will accept when pressed / in need or when the guy has the luxury of time to wait.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Usually no wait, they looked at a 1 k note as a solid bird in the hand and take it. I turned a couple of occasional higher asks down only to make a second round the block and lady approaches with smile "ok 1 k".

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2818732]Going to location (hardest part, airfares are: vomit).

Taking ladies from location.

Reporting back.

Maybe I'll have a surprise but I am good at the hunt, so we'll see.

Unfortunately my first crack will be September / October.

(ladies know me, what I pay and talk amongst themselves so I may have a head start, though that may have changed too over the years).

I love a challenge, lets see.[/QUOTE]I will await your report to see how one man with one dick with 1 k will change the market back to 2019. Of course the girls will have to be at least 7's to count.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2818749]I will await your report to see how one man with one dick with 1 k will change the market back to 2019. Of course the girls will have to be at least 7's to count.[/QUOTE]You aren't important enough to dictate any parameters, I'll do it how I want.

Why are you waiting on anything another man does?

Please You Tube: "Why has it become ok to be a fool in the Philippines".

I know its been a long time for some of us, but let's keep ourselves in some sort of check.

Hi all. I am planning for Manila trip in a month or so. I am planning to stay at City Garden hotel. If I want to go to LA cafe from here what transportation I need to use? On the maps it is showing 2 hours by walk LOL. So are there any buses or other means of transportation to go there except by taxi? If I pick up a girl from here how should I take to my hotel in P Burgos?

TIA.

[QUOTE=ManFromHeaven;2818997]Hi all. I am planning for Manila trip in a month or so. I am planning to stay at City Garden hotel. If I want to go to LA cafe from here what transportation I need to use? On the maps it is showing 2 hours by walk LOL. So are there any buses or other means of transportation to go there except by taxi? If I pick up a girl from here how should I take to my hotel in P Burgos?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Taxi or Grab Taxi, or Grab car, are your options here. There is no bus that runs from Makati City (City Garden and Burgos St) to Malate City (LA Cafe). Cost at night is about p250 ($5 US Dollars) each way in a taxi. The only cheaper option is taking a jeepney from LAC on del Pilar St to Buendia St, then change jeeps and ride (2 rides) to Makati Avenue, then walk 3 long blocks on Makati Ave to CG hotel. Jeez that's an hour or more on jeeps to save a few dollars, and there is the serious possibility that your LAC girl will think that you are so cheap to ride the jeeps that you won't have the p3000 in your pocket that you promised to pay her, and she will jump out of the jeep at the first stop (if she bothers getting into it in the first place). If you can afford a plane ticket and p3000 to hammer her, you can afford the taxi.

Alternately there are short-time hotels in the LAC area (the LAC girls will know where and the cost).

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2818984]Please You Tube: "Why has it become ok to be a fool in the Philippines".

I know its been a long time for some of us, but let's keep ourselves in some sort of check.[/QUOTE]I live here. Pretty sure that I don't need YT, and I am in check as my boots are (and have been) on the ground, thru pandemic.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2819042]I live here. Pretty sure that I don't need YT, and I am in check as my boots are (and have been) on the ground, thru pandemic.[/QUOTE]Do you know the real nitty gritty?

LOL.

Anyway I thought his message resonated a bit with this subject matter here.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2819039]Taxi or Grab Taxi, or Grab car, are your options here. There is no bus that runs from Makati City (City Garden and Burgos St) to Malate City (LA Cafe). Cost at night is about p250 ($5 US Dollars) each way in a taxi. The only cheaper option is taking a jeepney from LAC on del Pilar St to Buendia St, then change jeeps and ride (2 rides) to Makati Avenue, then walk 3 long blocks on Makati Ave to CG hotel. Jeez that's an hour or more on jeeps to save a few dollars, and there is the serious possibility that your LAC girl will think that you are so cheap to ride the jeeps that you won't have the p3000 in your pocket that you promised to pay her, and she will jump out of the jeep at the first stop (if she bothers getting into it in the first place). If you can afford a plane ticket and p3000 to hammer her, you can afford the taxi.

Alternately there are short-time hotels in the LAC area (the LAC girls will know where and the cost).[/QUOTE]Thanks. Awesome. Will take taxi.

Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2819189]Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.[/QUOTE]My rates for XLT are very simple. I pay the equivalent of one ST per day, every day. I've never had a girl complain. Several have returned for a second bite of the cherry at the same rate.

Unfortunately, what you see as pampering the girls and showing them a 5 star holiday does not impress them. In fact, they will see the $700 room as proof that they can over charge you for minimal service. She definitely will not be reducing her price in return for scuba lessons, tours etc.

I'd agrue if the girls are really 10 k per meet but if so, then 40 k is about right.

Keep in mind that this is an eye-watering amount in the Philippines and anyone who pays it should also expect requests for bikinis, dresses, lavish meals, spending money, gifts etc. She will be out to get all she can from her rich whale.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2819189]Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.[/QUOTE]I think your modus operandi is fraught with rookie mistakes and you are taking a huge gamble which for your sake I hope you pull off. I have never taken a girl on vacation who I have not tried and tested. What happens if she: has a poor attitude, does not put out, breath smells, etc? Probably ruin your vacation.

Goffering is correct when he states: "pampering the girls and showing them a 5-star holiday does not impress them. " Whether you stay in a $700 or $50 a night room is inconsequential.

I have taken girls on vacation to Boracay, Palawan, Bohol etc but these are girls I have met before. They had an all-expenses paid vacation and they were more than happy with this. I certainly did not give them a daily rate and none was expected. They were just delighted to have an excursion from their normal hum drum existence.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2819189]Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.[/QUOTE]$700 a night in Boracay. When did Boracay become Tokyo, Dubai, Singapore or New York.

You are confusing a regular who you want to impress taking her on a nice vacation for anniversary or birthday and such.

We are talking about third world hookers here. Before planning everything meet the girl of your choice and plan to stay couple of days with her. For me when I meet a new girl I do not discuss any plans with her. It will be strictly one night deal. A girl from ormoc came to be with me. Very pretty girl whose picture I posted long time ago. After staying one night with good sex, clean pussy, no smell from mouth or pussy, nice demeanor next morning I proposed to her of going to Bohol and staying at a resort. She agreed. But I had to give her money to buy dresses, swimsuits, sandals, make up items, lingerie etc. We had a great time.

How do you know the girl you are meeting does tick all the required boxes? You are making a big mistake pre planning IMHO.

If you can spend that kind of money.

I will suggest you better destinations. Korea, Japan.

Girls are way decent and classy. Filipinas are careless about how much you spend on meals, hotel or gift as long as you can pay her decent.

I had BBBFS full girlfriend experience in Korea / Japan when I had deep pockets.

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2819189]Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CurtisMack;2819189]Thank you again gents for all the helpful tips and feedback. I think I'm all set to start booking all my stuff except one last question. Tried to search on the forum but couldn't find any BYOG reports addressing this. How much should I expect will be the rate to BYOG? It seems rates will vary depending on how I meet the girl (SA, DIA, Tinder, etc). My primary method will be SA, but will try DIA and Tinder as well. Some details of the trip. I will be staying two nights at a 5 star resort in Boracay in a very swanky suite (I don't know if that changes the equation but it will be around 700 USD a night) from Friday-Sunday. I am expecting the girl to be with me starting Thursday night at my Manila hotel for an overnight so we can leave for the airport in the morning together to minimize chances of a flake. All costs obviously will be paid for, and I plan to take the girl with me on all the things I do like island hopping, snorkeling, etc. So what should I expect the rate to be for that type of arrangement? Based on my search of the forum SA university girls of high quality, which is what I'm looking for, are quoting 10-15 k for PPM these days, so my estimate is that the BYOG will run me like 40 k? Thank you again for any feedback.[/QUOTE]Girls get into to this to feed their family. Don't expect deductions or offsets for the cost of her expenses. You are spending $700 a night for your hotel and are worried about the cost of the girl? Personally I would get to know a girl first before I would take one on a multi day trip. I have taken a few to Boracay before and had no problems with them. Of course I knew them for a while before. I plan to take another different one on my next trip. My trips average 3-5 days there. 10-15 k a day might get you a girl. Maybe not a university girl that could discreetly get away for a few days. High quality girls might cost you more than 15 k a day.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2819633]$700 a night in Boracay. When did Boracay become Tokyo, Dubai, Singapore or New York.
[/QUOTE]Can't help, I had to lough out loud!

[QUOTE=WildInstincts;2819674]Can't help, I had to lough out loud![/QUOTE]There is the Shangri-La Hotel that goes for that kind of money.

Personally I would rather go for a $200-300 a night hotel and have 2-3 $100-200 a night girls with me.

But to each their own.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2809342]Its just the downside of the hobby. My old cocktail was azithro + doxy + metronidazole. Too bad all those don't work anymore (metro still does work). Its pretty much 100% certainty that I will catch something when in PI. Azithro stopped working around 2015, and doxy stopped somewhere around 2018. And yes I have been disease free in all other countries except PI. I always bring in a doc, get IV and shots towards the end of my trip now. SOP.[/QUOTE]I am reading through the forum to prepare for an upcoming trip and this chain of posts. I tend to play in places where girls are regularly checked. Is it fair to conclude that these girls in PH do not get checked and just spread shit to anyone that wants to go bare? 100% certainty of catching something is pretty alarming.

I took total of 4 trips to PH in past 5 years. Out 4 , all 4 times I got either chlamydia or Gonorrhea.

My main action source was LA cafe, Robinson mall or Online FLs mix of students (semi pros).

I only Bareback 1 or 2.

You can get STD from Blow job. Not a single time got anything from Indonesia or Thailand.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2820104]I am reading through the forum to prepare for an upcoming trip and this chain of posts. I tend to play in places where girls are regularly checked. Is it fair to conclude that these girls in PH do not get checked and just spread shit to anyone that wants to go bare? 100% certainty of catching something is pretty alarming.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2820124]You can get STD from Blow job.[/QUOTE]MF: You say that like its a bad thing. Is a moment of pleasure worth it?

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2820124]I took total of 4 trips to PH in past 5 years. Out 4 , all 4 times I got either chlamydia or Gonorrhea.

My main action source was LA cafe, Robinson mall or Online FLs mix of students (semi pros).

I only Bareback 1 or 2.

You can get STD from Blow job. Not a single time got anything from Indonesia or Thailand.[/QUOTE]Bare backing is normal in Philippines as everyone knows. None of the girls asked me to use condoms. If they are doing with me it is guaranteed they are doing with everyone.

Catching STD depends on many factors. Just because you are not using protection with an infected girl does not mean you will catch it. Chances are there. I generally avoid all smelly pussy. I think they are definitely infected with something I do not want to catch. I very rarely do DATY. It is dangerous if the girl is infected. I get tested after every trip. I do take antibiotics immediately if I feel infected. I never caught anything. My tests came clean all the time. I guess I am lucky.

Thailand and Indonesia girls insist on condoms most of the time. In fact I lost a pretty girl in Indonesia because she insisted on condom sex. I do not like condom sex anymore. As I get older I have problem keeping erected if condom is used. Only for anal sex I use condom.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2820689]Bare backing is normal in Philippines as everyone knows. None of the girls asked me to use condoms. If they are doing with me it is guaranteed they are doing with everyone.

Catching STD depends on many factors. Just because you are not using protection with an infected girl does not mean you will catch it. Chances are there. I generally avoid all smelly pussy. I think they are definitely infected with something I do not want to catch. I very rarely do DATY. It is dangerous if the girl is infected. I get tested after every trip. I do take antibiotics immediately if I feel infected. I never caught anything. My tests came clean all the time. I guess I am lucky.

Thailand and Indonesia girls insist on condoms most of the time. In fact I lost a pretty girl in Indonesia because she insisted on condom sex. I do not like condom sex anymore. As I get older I have problem keeping erected if condom is used. Only for anal sex I use condom.[/QUOTE]I bareback all the time in the PI. Catching an STD in the PI is a matter of when, not if. In the past seven years, I have caught an STD twice and I consider that lucky. I had a friend go bareback for the first time in Angeles City and he caught an STD in the first week. One issue that guys who catch an STD usually don't know right now and they keep on having sex for a while spreading it to others who then go on to have sex with other guys spreading it to them, who get it and then spread to other girls that they see, and on and on it goes. So if one person has an STD, it can spread quickly like a wild fire in the forest.

If you bareback like me, you have to aware of the risks and willing to catch something like time to time and hope that it is not one of the sexual diseases that are not curable, like herpes or HIV. It is just part of the bareback game. If you think that somehow you will not catch something eventually, you are fooling yourself.

I've been to many places in Asia, but it's my first time to Manila. I'm having some struggles.

First off, any advice on the ATM situation. All the ATMs will only let me withdraw 10,000, and they have a high fee, so I'd prefer to withdraw a lot more. I found one that let me withdraw 40,000, but when I went back it was empty. Please advise.

Second, I've been in Manila for a week and the girls here seem like bitches. They've been super snotty to me. I've also been stood up three times as well. I haven't been trying with with streetwalkers or bar girls. Maybe that is where the action is? Some of them smell really bad. I prefer higher caliber girls, but maybe there is too much demand for them? Anyway, I'm not enjoying it here so far. I keep thinking I should just go back to Thailand. I think I must be doing something wrong, because I keep seeing old men with hot young girls on their arms.

Hello fellow mongers.

I had a 2 week trip to ASIA and decided to split it, 1 week in PHIL and 1 week in THAI. Here is the report for PHIL.

MO: 1 month before trip I signed up for Pinalove (PL), the free subscription. It kind of sucks because you have to wait 10 minutes to be able to reply. Never the less it does the job to connect you with girls in PHIL. I was semi straight forward. Going for business, looking to meet, and have a good time / fun, send me your whatsapp or viber.

Location: Manila.

The purpose: I went to PHIL for personal business reasons so I was pretty tied up in the mornings but still had to do some work at night so I was not able to enjoy 100%. Don't judge but I had my reasons why I chose to do this.

PL girls: I connected with several PL girls and some were straight forward asking to "spoil them" in the mall or money while they agree to spoil me in bed. Good set up, however I found out that most girls in PL are pure talk but it could be because I didn't spend time building up the relationship / trust. Overall, I felt pinay girls quickly change their mind and some stood me up, which is cool.

The Hotel: I stayed at Savoy Manila Hotel, very near the airport. Easy to check-in. Has a gym and swimming pool. And, they don't check the girls IDs which could be good or bad depending on how you take it.

Day 1 (Sat.): Landed in Manila at 7 am. Easy to go thru immigration. Get your "Grab" app for taxi. Change some money in airport.

On the way to hotel I contacted "girl A". Girl A, is a MILF but looks great (in pictures) for 2 kids. She immediately told me a few days ago she started talking to another guy which is in USA, which is cool with me, and she could meet as friends. Sure, no problem. I asked her to come over for breakfast and bring her bikini for the swimming pool. She happily accepted. Meantime, I register and of course I have to wait till 1 pm for my room however I can use the facilities. I go to the swimming pool, at 10 am girl A shows up. She is small with a nice body, better than the pictures. Restaurant is closed now, so we decide to go straight to the swimming pool and order food and drinks there. We chit-chat, I order her margaritas, and during our talk she tells me straight forward she is not going to fuck me. No problem, is my first day and is early, lets enjoy the company at least. She works validating loans for a major bank and has been to USA several times. Which tends me to believe she is not a sex working girl, but I could be wrong. After 3 margaritas for her and 3 jack& coke for me I go check up on my room, and its ready. I asked her to come up to check it out, she accepts. Get in the elevator I start feeling her out, by this I mean touching her arms giving her a hug, and the response is positive. Get into the room and we check the beautiful airport view LOL and we start hugging and kissing. Next thing I know I'm going down on her and we start fucking, bareback which I didn't expect. After we are done, is like 3 pm or so and we go to eat something. She tells me she has to go run some errands and we say our goodbyes but she agreed to meet me again next day. As I stated before, I feel pinay girls change their mind quickly.

Contacted Girl be to meet in evening, she agreed. She is 27, slim with nice body in pictures. Went to sleep because of jetlag, woke up around 7 pm. Girl be message me saying she was not going to make it and we can meet tomorrow. Oh well, went to P. Burgos, makati. Been there, nothing that excited me. Just grab a beer into a bar, purchased a lady drink to some girl and decided to go to a Latin bar in Greenbelt. Dance all night with filipinas and went back to hotel alone. It would have been nice to get a girl for the night but I preferred to have a quiet first night not needing to worrying about my belongings.

The $ damage: I don't know, 3 margaritas, 3 jack and cokes, a dish of adobo and sigsig in nearby restaurant. Girl A never asked for any money or gave me any hint of such. But of course I like to treat the girls like ladies, I don't mean overspending but more behaving like a gentleman, always polite and respectful and really trying to know them. Seems to work most of the time.

Day 2 next.

Hello fellow mongers.

I had a 2 week trip to ASIA and decided to split it, 1 week in PHIL and 1 week in THAI. Here is the report for PHIL.

MO: 1 month before trip I signed up for Pinalove (PL), the free subscription. It kind of sucks because you have to wait 10 minutes to be able to reply. Never the less it does the job to connect you with girls in PHIL. I was semi straight forward. Going for business, looking to meet, and have a good time / fun, send me your whatsapp or viber.

Location: Manila.

The purpose: I went to PHIL for personal business reasons so I was pretty tied up in the mornings but still had to do some work at night so I was not able to enjoy 100%. Don't judge but I had my reasons why I chose to do this.

PL girls: I had connected with several PL girls and some were straight forward asking to "spoil them" in the mall or money while they agree to spoil me in bed. Good set up, however I found out that most girls in PL are pure talk but it could be because I didn't spend time building up the relationship / trust. Overall, I felt pinay girls quickly change their mind and some stood me up, which is cool.

The Hotel: I stayed at Savoy Manila Hotel, very near the airport. Easy to check-in. Has a gym and swimming pool. And, they don't check the girls IDs which could be good or bad depending on how you take it.

Day 1 (Sat.): Landed in Manila at 7 am. Easy to go thru immigration. Get your "Grab" app for taxi. Change some money in airport. On the way to hotel I contacted "girl A". Girl A, is a MILF but looks great (in pictures) for 2 kids. She immediately told me a few days ago she started talking to another guy which is in USA, which is cool with me, and she could meet as friends. Sure, no problem. I asked her to come over for breakfast and bring her bikini for the swimming pool. She happily accepted. Meantime, I register and of course I have to wait till 1 pm for my room however I can use the facilities. I go to the swimming pool, at 10 am girl A shows up. She is small with a nice body, better than the pictures. Restaurant is closed now, so we decide to go straight to the swimming pool and order food and drinks there. We chit-chat, I order her margaritas, and during our talk she tells me straight forward she is not going to fuck me. No problem, is my first day and is early, lets enjoy the company at least. She works validating loans for a major bank and has been to USA several times. Which tends me to believe she is not a sex working girl, but I could be wrong. After 3 margaritas for her and 3 jack& coke for me I go check up on my room, and its ready. I asked her to come up to check it out, she accepts. Get in the elevator I start feeling her out, by this I mean touching her arms giving her a hug, and the response is positive. Get into the room and we check the beautiful airport view LOL and we start hugging and kissing. Next thing I know I'm going down on her and we start fucking, bareback which I didn't expect. As I stated before, I feel pinay girls change their mind quickly. After we are done, is like 3 pm or so and we go to eat something. She tells me that she has to go run some errands and we say our goodbyes but she agreed to meet me again next day.

Contacted Girl be to meet in evening, she agreed. She is 27, slim with nice body in pictures. Went to sleep because of jetlag, woke up around 7 pm. She message me saying she was not going to make it and we can meet tomorrow. Oh well, went to P. Burgos, makati. Been there, nothing that excited me. Just grab a beer into a bar, purchased a lady drink to some girl and decided to go to a Latin bar in Greenbelt. Dance all night with filipinas and went back to hotel alone. It would have been nice to get a girl for the night but I preferred to have a quiet first night not needing to worrying about my belongings.

The $ damage: I don't know, 3 margaritas, 3 jack and cokes, a dish of adobo and sigsig in nearby restaurant. Girl A never asked for any money or gave me any hint of such. But of course I like to treat the girls like ladies, I don't mean overspending but more behaving like a gentleman, always polite and respectful and really trying to know them. Seems to work most of the time.

Day 2 next.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2820819]First off, any advice on the ATM situation. All the ATMs will only let me withdraw 10,000, and they have a high fee, so I'd prefer to withdraw a lot more. I found one that let me withdraw 40,000, but when I went back it was empty. Please advise.[/QUOTE]This topic has been covered multiple times. P5 k and p10 k are the normal maximum limits at ATM's in Philippines (its a cash-based culture, with low fees for each machine's own customers, but not for you as you are not a customer). You will get hit with a machine-fee of p250 ($5 USD), and probably your own bank will hit you with a $5 USD 'Out of Network' fee (for not using one of their machines). Today's p10 k = about $186 USD, so you are paying $10 for the convenience of getting $186. Last year in my home country I went to a cinema to watch a movie with some friends. I hit an ATM machine outside the cinema to get some cash ($50) for the over-priced cinema food. The machine hit me for a $5 machine fee, and my bank hit me for a $5 out-of-network fee. I paid $10 to get $50. I get hit with both of those in every foreign country.

Couple of thoughts:

1) Go to a mall and find the ATM area. Often you will see a BDO, MetroBank, and several other ATM's near each other. Use your debit card to hit several machines.

2) Several gents have mentioned getting an ATM card that, as a perk, rebate any outside-network ATM fees at the end of each month (that includes both up-front machine fees and their own Out-of-Network fee). Schwab has one.

3) Skip the ATM's and remit (ie, Western Union) the money to yourself online (say, p50 k, about $1000 USD). Take your online receipt (reference number) to any of the WU payout locations in Manila (Cebuana Lhuillier, M Lhuillier, LBC, BDO, MetroBank etc) and pick up your cash. The online remit fee will be about $5 and will be deducted from your associated debit bank account (the payout locations won't charge you anything to pick up the cash). Besides WU, World Remit, MoneyGram, and Remitly are also online services for sending money from your home country bank account to someone (including yourself) overseas.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2820819]Second, I've been in Manila for a week and the girls here seem like bitches. They've been super snotty to me. I've also been stood up three times as well. I haven't been trying with with streetwalkers or bar girls. Maybe that is where the action is? Some of them smell really bad. I prefer higher caliber girls, but maybe there is too much demand for them? Anyway, I'm not enjoying it here so far. I keep thinking I should just go back to Thailand. I think I must be doing something wrong, because I keep seeing old men with hot young girls on their arms.[/QUOTE]Ya. You didn't mention how long your visit is. Weeks, months, never going home? I will assume that you are a 2-week (or similar) warrior. You are looking for point-and-shoot. Bar girls, streetwalkers, and escort services are your call, especially escort services since you prefer high caliber girls.

[URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/[/URL]

Regarding getting stood up: Its part of being here, get used to it. Also get used to girls (or any pinoy) being late for any meeting.

Ugh, this topic has been hit so many times. One more: Take doxycycline while you're in country. It is commonly prescribed for months at a time for skin conditions and it will catch bacterial infections before they develop. If you're worried about herpes (HSV2, although it doesn't really hurt you, but yes there is a social stigma) take Valtrex while you're there. If you're worried about HIV, which you shouldn't be, unless you're taking it bare in the ass from ladyboys, take PreP daily which is 100% effective. All these can be bought for cheap from Alldaychemist. Life is risk / reward, and these precautionary measures work extremely well to reduce the risk.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820693]I bareback all the time in the PI. Catching an STD in the PI is a matter of when, not if. In the past seven years, I have caught an STD twice and I consider that lucky. I had a friend go bareback for the first time in Angeles City and he caught an STD in the first week. One issue that guys who catch an STD usually don't know right now and they keep on having sex for a while spreading it to others who then go on to have sex with other guys spreading it to them, who get it and then spread to other girls that they see, and on and on it goes. So if one person has an STD, it can spread quickly like a wild fire in the forest.

If you bareback like me, you have to aware of the risks and willing to catch something like time to time and hope that it is not one of the sexual diseases that are not curable, like herpes or HIV. It is just part of the bareback game. If you think that somehow you will not catch something eventually, you are fooling yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2821035]This topic has been covered multiple times. [/QUOTE]Thank you for the response. I read the first 20 pages to get a feel for things, and I also searched the thread for ATM, but there were so many results and I wasn't able to find my answer. I appreciate your help. I am going to hope that the ATM that let me withdraw 40,000 gets restocked with cash soon. Haha.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2821035]This topic has been covered multiple times. P5 k and p10 k are the normal maximum limits at ATM's in Philippines (its a cash-based culture, with low fees for each machine's own customers, but not for you as you are not a customer). You will get hit with a machine-fee of p250 ($5 USD), and probably your own bank will hit you with a $5 USD 'Out of Network' fee (for not using one of their machines)....[/QUOTE]Most focus on ATM fees but I've found the bigger cost of using home cards is the poor retail FX rates. Exchange a reasonable amount over a holiday and it soon adds up.

I've used Wise cards and the savings make a difference. It also helps that they can be used for pretty much any currency.

[QUOTE=Aron001;2820966]..We chit-chat, I order her margaritas, and during our talk she tells me straight forward she is not going to fuck me. No problem, is my first day and is early, lets enjoy the company at least....Get into the room and we check the beautiful airport view LOL and we start hugging and kissing. Next thing I know I'm going down on her and we start fucking, bareback which I didn't expect. As I stated before, I feel pinay girls change their mind quickly....

The $ damage: I don't know, 3 margaritas, 3 jack and cokes, a dish of adobo and sigsig in nearby restaurant. Girl A never asked for any money or gave me any hint of such. But of course I like to treat the girls like ladies, I don't mean overspending but more behaving like a gentleman, always polite and respectful and really trying to know them. Seems to work most of the time.

Day 2 next.[/QUOTE]Its pretty normal for pinas to say one thing out in the open or upon first meeting only for it to be totally forgotten in the privacy of the room. The common ones are only looking for a serious relationship online, being a good girl, or insisting on condoms.

I like that you didn't insist in turning every girl you to a paid hooker. Be generous but many are also happy to meet or more for free and can be offended by assumptions that they need to be paid.

Enjoy. G.

Hi Mr A.

Great field report. At least it is encouraging to know that you couldwork with apps / PL still after Covid.

Victor.

[QUOTE=Aron001;2820966]Hello fellow mongers.

I had a 2 week trip to ASIA and decided to split it, 1 week in PHIL and 1 week in THAI. Here is the report for PHIL.

MO: 1 month before trip I signed up for Pinalove (PL), the free subscription. It kind of sucks because you have to wait 10 minutes to be able to reply. Never the less it does the job to connect you with girls in PHIL. I was semi straight forward. Going for business, looking to meet, and have a good time / fun, send me your whatsapp or viber.

Location: Manila.

The purpose: I went to PHIL for personal business reasons so I was pretty tied up in the mornings but still had to do some work at night so I was not able to enjoy 100%. Don't judge but I had my reasons why I chose to do this.

PL girls: I had connected with several PL girls and some were straight forward asking to "spoil them" in the mall or money while they agree to spoil me in bed. Good set up, however I found out that most girls in PL are pure talk but it could be because I didn't spend time building up the relationship / trust. Overall, I felt pinay girls quickly change their mind and some stood me up, which is cool.

The Hotel: I stayed at Savoy Manila Hotel, very near the airport. Easy to check-in. Has a gym and swimming pool. And, they don't check the girls IDs which could be good or bad depending on how you take it.

Day 1 (Sat.): Landed in Manila at 7 am. Easy to go thru immigration. Get your "Grab" app for taxi. Change some money in airport. On the way to hotel I contacted "girl A". Girl A, is a MILF but looks great (in pictures) for 2 kids. She immediately told me a few days ago she started talking to another guy which is in USA, which is cool with me, and she could meet as friends. Sure, no problem. I asked her to come over for breakfast and bring her bikini for the swimming pool. She happily accepted. Meantime, I register and of course I have to wait till 1 pm for my room however I can use the facilities. I go to the swimming pool, at 10 am girl A shows up. She is small with a nice body, better than the pictures. Restaurant is closed now, so we decide to go straight to the swimming pool and order food and drinks there. We chit-chat, I order her margaritas, and during our talk she tells me straight forward she is not going to fuck me. No problem, is my first day and is early, lets enjoy the company at least. She works validating loans for a major bank and has been to USA several times. Which tends me to believe she is not a sex working girl, but I could be wrong. After 3 margaritas for her and 3 jack& coke for me I go check up on my room, and its ready. I asked her to come up to check it out, she accepts. Get in the elevator I start feeling her out, by this I mean touching her arms giving her a hug, and the response is positive. Get into the room and we check the beautiful airport view LOL and we start hugging and kissing. Next thing I know I'm going down on her and we start fucking, bareback which I didn't expect. As I stated before, I feel pinay girls change their mind quickly. After we are done, is like 3 pm or so and we go to eat something. She tells me that she has to go run some errands and we say our goodbyes but she agreed to meet me again next day.

Contacted Girl be to meet in evening, she agreed. She is 27, slim with nice body in pictures. Went to sleep because of jetlag, woke up around 7 pm. She message me saying she was not going to make it and we can meet tomorrow. Oh well, went to P. Burgos, makati. Been there, nothing that excited me. Just grab a beer into a bar, purchased a lady drink to some girl and decided to go to a Latin bar in Greenbelt. Dance all night with filipinas and went back to hotel alone. It would have been nice to get a girl for the night but I preferred to have a quiet first night not needing to worrying about my belongings.

The $ damage: I don't know, 3 margaritas, 3 jack and cokes, a dish of adobo and sigsig in nearby restaurant. Girl A never asked for any money or gave me any hint of such. But of course I like to treat the girls like ladies, I don't mean overspending but more behaving like a gentleman, always polite and respectful and really trying to know them. Seems to work most of the time.

Day 2 next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2821035]P5 k and p10 k are the normal maximum limits at ATM's in Philippines[/QUOTE]FWIW most BPI ATMs will dispense up to P20,000.

[QUOTE=Betong;2821167]FWIW most BPI ATMs will dispense up to P20,000.[/QUOTE]I do concur, I always look for a BPI if I want to pull from an ATM. It has always been 20 K with 250 fee.

However I would suggest loading your gcash and using that, I just added to my gcash balance and my rate was 56.32 today. It was pretty much instant with my debit card. I have also paid 6 BFs with gcash. Not all bars will take gcash, but most do. Pretty much all girls accept gcash. And gcash is a godsend for loading grab.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2821189]my rate was 56.32 today.[/QUOTE]Great rate -- BPI is giving only 55.65 today. And money changers 55.20. I usually don't get too fussed about fractions of a peso. But it does add up.

I grabbed dinner a couple of nights ago near P Burgos and after dinner decided to take a stroll down sin alley. The past few times I've walked the street I didn't see anything that interested me, and as I mentioned before, I generally like higher quality girls than street / bar girls. I was approached by many that didn't interest me, but finally a petite young thing approached me. I love small young girls, so I talked to her for a bit. She seemed cool. I figured "What the hell?" and took her back to my hotel. At first we talked about her life and her work. Like many, she got into this lifestyle after having a kid. She was telling me about her ex-boyfriend. She is 22 years old, and her ex "boyfriend" was 74 years old, but she said they were only together for a month. I was surprised she considered that a boyfriend. It sounds like she dates a lot of older men and then street walks on the side.

Anyway, we got down to business. I started kissing her neck. She wouldn't let me kiss her mouth though. When I began kissing her nipples, she started moaning a lot, and I noticed that her nipples got really stiff and erect. I love it when the girls react well. I kept licking her chest and running my hands around her body until finally she begged me to lick her pussy. I had decided beforehand that I wasn't going to lick any streetwalker pussy, but in the heat of the moment, I couldn't stop myself. It's one of my favorite things to do, and I couldn't resist with her begging for it. It was glorious. She had such a cute little shaven pussy, very pink for a Filipina too, and I ate her out until she was summoning the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost with her cries. After she came, I asked her to give me a blowjob, but she wouldn't do it without a condom. No go. I'd rather not have a blowjob then. Okay, on to fucking her. At least she asks for condoms, so perhaps that means she is clean? She has had a kid, and her pussy was pretty loose, but I hadn't had any in a while. It still felt so nice and warm and wet around me, even if it wasn't tight. Eventually I finished. I was happy overall with the experience, and the price was good too, though I probably paid a bit more than I should have, because I always feel bad when they are single moms.

My drive to eat pussy is too strong. I just want it all the time with every girl. Damn, can you believe these girls get paid to just lie there and have their pussies licked? I can't imagine a world where it's the other way around. Haha. So after reading this forum, I hope I don't get some awful diseases in my mouth. I've licked a lot of risky pussies in the past too. I'm probably going to get throat cancer in the future and die a horrible death and like Nietzsche proclaim "God is dead!" But hopefully in those final moments I will have a sexy pussy I can lick.

I will be coming to Manila for first time since before pandemic.

I have been in Cebu throughout.

I have a 9 hour layover before my flight home.

From about 10 am to 7 pm.

I am looking for a good happy ending massage place near the airport that will be open then.

Any recommendations?

I understand AirForce One and Flight 168 are closed, they opened too late for me anyway.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2821882]I will be coming to Manila for first time since before pandemic.I have been in Cebu throughout.I have a 9 hour layover before my flight home.From about 10 am to 7 pm.I am looking for a good happy ending massage place near the airport that will be open then.Any recommendations?I understand AirForce One and Flight 168 are closed, they opened too late for me anyway.[/QUOTE]Its not difficult to do a search online (I did) but I am not familiar with any that I saw online near the airport (only the ones in malate). Might I suggest you just get a sogo or victoria court (or sim) hotel and just call outcall. There are many services offered online to choose from.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2821882]I will be coming to Manila for first time since before pandemic.

I have been in Cebu throughout.

I have a 9 hour layover before my flight home.

From about 10 am to 7 pm.

I am looking for a good happy ending massage place near the airport that will be open then.

Any recommendations?

I understand AirForce One and Flight 168 are closed, they opened too late for me anyway.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Manila on the way to Jakarta. Long layover from 6 am to 7 pm. Took a cab to Ermita and talked to the hotel guy city garden and he gave me a room till 4 pm. I have contacts and getting a girl is no problem. After I checked out at 4 pm got a legit massage for two hours before going to Airport.

You can go to LA cafe or Robinson mall and get a girl. There are many massage places around also. Not sure which one offers extras. If you get a girl negotiate with her to stay with you all day and have fun. My contacts are from dateinasia. You can join and chat and look for Manila girls. Some of them will be willing if you have the game on.

Kabul guy: FYI I was born in kabul too.

Anyway best idea is get a hotel next to airport. And use smoochi, or massage republic to your room.

Relex near hotel so you get struck and miss your flight.

Manila is terrible City when it's come to traffic and not so good quality at LA cafe or In malls.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2821882]I will be coming to Manila for first time since before pandemic.

I have been in Cebu throughout.

I have a 9 hour layover before my flight home.

From about 10 am to 7 pm.

I am looking for a good happy ending massage place near the airport that will be open then.

Any recommendations?

I understand AirForce One and Flight 168 are closed, they opened too late for me anyway.[/QUOTE]

Fellas at the risk of sounding like a moron. Is Tinder as easy as it seems to find normal girls?

Have the chance to travel to Asia for 2 months and work remotely soon, decided to scope out Bangkok and Manila on Tinder passport to see what the talent is like. Leaning towards Manila anyway because they speak good English.

Did a couple of boosts on Tinder with location set as Manila, got an avalanche of likes. Filtered out to the hot girls, messaged a bit and have numerous that want to meet and almost seem like lay-up sex, ended up with so many matches that I was getting bold / bored and being overly sexual with some of them and still a decent % receptive to meeting or even saying they'd come over to my airbnb as soon as I'm there.

If I actually go to Manila will these girls be demanding money to meet etc and just leading me on? Some of them seem like potential h0 es but others seem to have good jobs, well educated etc to the point I'd be extremely surprised if they were prostitutes, they just seem like regular girls.

When using tinder in Dubai I get very mediocre results but am able to bang non-prostitutes but I am by no means a stud which makes me think that I'm being naive to think there isn't a catch here. I'm white, over 6 foot, average body and under 30, is it realistic to think I can bang these chicks for free outside of paying for stuff like food or some drinks when we go out?

I promise to upload reports if / when I go to Manila, although part of me still thinks I should go to Thailand even though they can't speak English great. Will be first ever time in Asia and I much prefer a massage to a prostitute if I'm paying for it, prefer to bang non-hookers.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2822492]Fellas at the risk of sounding like a moron. Is Tinder as easy as it seems to find normal girls?

Have the chance to travel to Asia for 2 months and work remotely soon, decided to scope out Bangkok and Manila on Tinder passport to see what the talent is like. Leaning towards Manila anyway because they speak good English.

Did a couple of boosts on Tinder with location set as Manila, got an avalanche of likes. Filtered out to the hot girls, messaged a bit and have numerous that want to meet and almost seem like lay-up sex, ended up with so many matches that I was getting bold / bored and being overly sexual with some of them and still a decent % receptive to meeting or even saying they'd come over to my airbnb as soon as I'm there.

If I actually go to Manila will these girls be demanding money to meet etc and just leading me on? Some of them seem like potential h0 es but others seem to have good jobs, well educated etc to the point I'd be extremely surprised if they were prostitutes, they just seem like regular girls.

When using tinder in Dubai I get very mediocre results but am able to bang non-prostitutes but I am by no means a stud which makes me think that I'm being naive to think there isn't a catch here. I'm white, over 6 foot, average body and under 30, is it realistic to think I can bang these chicks for free outside of paying for stuff like food or some drinks when we go out?

I promise to upload reports if / when I go to Manila, although part of me still thinks I should go to Thailand even though they can't speak English great. Will be first ever time in Asia and I much prefer a massage to a prostitute if I'm paying for it, prefer to bang non-hookers.[/QUOTE]Date In Asia and Filipina Cupid are much better.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2822492]Fellas at the risk of sounding like a moron. Is Tinder as easy as it seems to find normal girls?

[/QUOTE]My experience with Tinder (pre-pandemic) was that it was a jungle, there are all sorts on there ranging from a high number of trans to semi- and pros, mixed in with some regular ladies, and given the sheer volume that's on there, I personally found it was great for hook up's (you do need to validate with them first to be clear about what you want and filter out trans etc.) and really only pot luck about meeting regular ladies, the volumes of likes I personally found to be over whelming and somewhat time wasting in running through them.

The other challenge with Tinder is the younger folks are filter and photo experts, so there is many times where someone looks amazing on their profile and a little "disappointing" in real life. .

When I came back during COVID times, I move to Badoo where I had a lot more success in dating normal ladies and ended up with a regular GF, so maybe that is worth a try.

Filipina Cupid is also OK, but in general has much slower in interaction times given it's more of a web site than designed to be a mobile app, which can matter if you have limited time here.

Great topic, always interested to hear about experience from other members. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2822562]My experience with Tinder (pre-pandemic) was that it was a jungle, there are all sorts on there ranging from a high number of trans to semi- and pros, mixed in with some regular ladies, and given the sheer volume that's on there, I personally found it was great for hook up's (you do need to validate with them first to be clear about what you want and filter out trans etc.) and really only pot luck about meeting regular ladies, the volumes of likes I personally found to be over whelming and somewhat time wasting in running through them.

The other challenge with Tinder is the younger folks are filter and photo experts, so there is many times where someone looks amazing on their profile and a little "disappointing" in real life. .

When I came back during COVID times, I move to Badoo where I had a lot more success in dating normal ladies and ended up with a regular GF, so maybe that is worth a try..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice, much appreciated. Still to-ing and fro-ing between Bangkok or Manila but leaning towards Manila almost purely because of the English level difference.

Definitely noticed the trans on there, almost Thailand level amount of LBs.

I have another question if I may trouble you. What areas should I look at for an Airbnb? Will be there for 2 months so not looking to stay in the seediest part ever but also don't want to be crazy far from everything, should I just go for Makati or are there other options worth a look?

Many thanks!

If you are planning to bring in girls via Tinder (or the like) I would highly recommend finding someplace along / close by one of the LRT / MRT routes. Its also good to be next to an SM or Robinsons or pure gold, so you can stock your kitchen.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2822727]Thank you for the advice, much appreciated. Still to-ing and fro-ing between Bangkok or Manila but leaning towards Manila almost purely because of the English level difference.

Definitely noticed the trans on there, almost Thailand level amount of LBs.

I have another question if I may trouble you. What areas should I look at for an Airbnb? Will be there for 2 months so not looking to stay in the seediest part ever but also don't want to be crazy far from everything, should I just go for Makati or are there other options worth a look?

Many thanks![/QUOTE]Firstly I found Makati to be boring, the malls way oversized and it is a business district so much of it shuts down in the early evening. I prefer Malate but have also stayed around Pasay and Mall of Asia. If I was staying 2 months which I have done before I moved every 2 weeks to check out different locations.

Apart from AirBnBs there are many condo hotels that offer apartments at good prices. Search the aggregator sites.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2822820]If you are planning to bring in girls via Tinder (or the like) I would highly recommend finding someplace along / close by one of the LRT / MRT routes. Its also good to be next to an SM or Robinsons or pure gold, so you can stock your kitchen.[/QUOTE]Amazing, thank you so much!

[QUOTE=Transporter;2822820]If you are planning to bring in girls via Tinder (or the like) I would highly recommend finding someplace along / close by one of the LRT / MRT routes. Its also good to be next to an SM or Robinsons or pure gold, so you can stock your kitchen.[/QUOTE]Nice one Transporter, this is good advice. .

The only thing I would add is Makati is actually a big area, so maybe consider somewhere close to Greenbelt or Glorietta (both collections of shopping malls) which would put you roughly 20-30 min walk from P. Burgos St (the Girly bar area) in case you get board. Or if you are after more high end regular ladies and your budget can afford it then BGC would be the place to hang out. Both areas have a very wide range of good restaurants, bars and clubs, although Makati will win out as the better party place overall, and for me Makati is a bit more real as BGC reminds me of a mini Singapore bubble in Manila.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2822727]I have another question if I may trouble you. What areas should I look at for an Airbnb? Will be there for 2 months so not looking to stay in the seediest part ever but also don't want to be crazy far from everything, should I just go for Makati or are there other options worth a look?[/QUOTE]Makati: 7-8 minute walk to P Burgos street are airbnb condos at Gramercy, Milano, Knightsbridge, and Y2 Residences. All nice places with a pool, gym, wifi. A mile up the road from Burgos, on Makati Ave, is the Ayala / Greenbelt mall complex, and a number of airbnb condos can be found. Also bunches of hotels in all price ranges in both Burgos and Ayala areas.

Alternately there is Malate, with LA Cafe (Makati and Malate are a daytime 30-40 minute taxi ride from each other, and at night 20 minutes). Airbnb condos near the LAC / Robinson's Mall action nearby include the Adriatico Grand, several other Adriatico residences on the same block, Birch Tower (Bocobo St), and Malate Bayview Mansion (Adriatico St) Residences. Also many hotels in the area, including: Kimberly, Eurotel, City Garden Suites, two Sogo hotels, Victoria Court, Rothman, Executive Plaza, Manila Sheraton (used to be the Sari Pan Pacific), and Palm Hotel (diagonally across the street from Robinson's on Pedro Gil / Adriatoco). Prices usually reflect quality.

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WC.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2821401] I kept licking her chest and running my hands around her body until finally she begged me to lick her pussy. I had decided beforehand that I wasn't going to lick any streetwalker pussy, but in the heat of the moment, I couldn't stop myself. It's one of my favorite things to do, and I couldn't resist with her begging for it. It was glorious. She had such a cute little shaven pussy, very pink for a Filipina too, and I ate her out until she was summoning the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost with her cries.[/QUOTE]My throat started hurting the next day. It hasn't gone away and has gotten more swollen. Damn, I knew it was a bad idea. Any ideas of what I should do? Google said that antibiotics are not over-the-counter here. So I need to figure out the healthcare system I guess?

BTW, I met 4-5 girls from Seeking. All of them were significantly less attractive than their photos and quite overweight. I think Seeking is not a good option. I haven't found it to be easier than Tinder, and it's more expensive. The girls are not better looking, unless you want to dish our 700 USD to some spoiled brat.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2823231]My throat started hurting the next day. It hasn't gone away and has gotten more swollen. Damn, I knew it was a bad idea. Any ideas of what I should do? Google said that antibiotics are not over-the-counter here. So I need to figure out the healthcare system I guess?

BTW, I met 4-5 girls from Seeking. All of them were significantly less attractive than their photos and quite overweight. I think Seeking is not a good option. I haven't found it to be easier than Tinder, and it's more expensive. The girls are not better looking, unless you want to dish our 700 USD to some spoiled brat.[/QUOTE]The PI healthcare system is super simple. Get off the internet and go see a human doctor. Costs are trivial and s / he will do an actual examination and prescribe based on that. If you can't see a doctor's surgery close to you just ask at the hotel.

No offence to anyone but Seeking seems to cater almost 100% to simps who want to idolize hoes and place them on some type of goddess pedestal. Its totally normal for them to regard over the top pricing, expensive gifts and shitty attitudes as the norm. I'd agree that Tinder or even IG is a better option. If you have some game, remember that Pinas are amazingly approachable out in the wild. Promo girls, makeup counters etc can be very productive. Might cost you a coffee or a lunch but the girls are much more genuine.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2823458] If you have some game, remember that Pinas are amazingly approachable out in the wild. Promo girls, makeup counters etc can be very productive. Might cost you a coffee or lunch but the girls are much more genuine.
.[/QUOTE]I can second what the informative Mr. G is saying. Hey man, hope we meet up one of these days! Cheers!

[QUOTE=HughJass;2823231]My throat started hurting the next day. It hasn't gone away and has gotten more swollen. Damn, I knew it was a bad idea. Any ideas of what I should do? Google said that antibiotics are not over-the-counter here. So I need to figure out the healthcare system I guess?
.[/QUOTE]There are many STD you can get by DATY. Some antibiotics may not work. You seem to have a severe case. You are confused. Do not think prostitutes need to be be made satisfied like a girlfriend. You are basically there for your pleasure. Some germs even if you take antibiotics stays in your throat after acute phase is gone. Maybe time to go to nearest Doctor office and get tested the right way.

I practically never do DATY on bargirls. Very rarely do on dating site girls. When I was young and dating it was normal to do suck and fuck with the gurls I dated. Even then it is risky but if you do not make the girl happy she is done with you. Chemistry is related to good sex.

Sometimes combination of bad food, heat, dust, humidity can cause sore throat. Only after testing you can say if you caught something or it is just other factors as explained. If I get a sore throat I do take antibiotics which I carry during all trips. After vacation I do get tested to see if I am clean till next trip.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2823231]My throat started hurting the next day. It hasn't gone away and has gotten more swollen. Damn, I knew it was a bad idea. Any ideas of what I should do? Google said that antibiotics are not over-the-counter here. So I need to figure out the healthcare system I guess?[/QUOTE]I usually get a prescription online from an online doctor. It cost 500 php for the online consultation. He / she will send you the prescription online. The good thing about the online prescription is you can use it over and over again.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2824159]The pandemic is over but I see you're still diligently administering boosters in the east so I first want to commend your work and second let you know I've been holding up my end in the west in my attempt to vax[/QUOTE]From the PG. LM, thanks for your kind words. For your good works in the Spanish-speaking realm, and your quality pictures, I formally dub thee: [B]"Maestro de Latina Splooge"[/B]. It takes years of training and practice to reach this level. Glad to know the Mexicanas are being protected from the dwindling, but remaining, scourge. Big spunk you have provided this lady. Hope she gave it plenty of time to absorb into her skin. If not, have her return next week for another dose; this time closer to the facial area (nasal receptors are important, even the smell of the vaccine can help).

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2824159]and re-vax (if that's a word) my Mexicanas, albeit using the skin absorption technique.[/QUOTE]Not sure that hyphenated words are 'a' word. However, clearly you are boostering the ladies as needed. Some ladies have been lucky enough to receive all the forms of absorption: Skin, oral, vaginal, and anal (takes quite a lady to return repeatedly until she's received the full round-robin of dosage types). In fact here is a city Pina who has received a dose in each reception area (multiple times each). She is a long-time regular, and signed up early in the pandemic in my clinic as a matter of precaution. You will notice the smaller amount of my vax formula, hence this is a booster shot.

Oh, to be *this* close to the excited, unfurled chocolate rose. . .

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2824473]From the PG. LM, thanks for your kind words. For your good works in the Spanish-speaking realm, and your quality pictures, I formally dub thee: [B]"Maestro de Latina Splooge"[/B]. It takes years of training and practice to reach this level. Glad to know the Mexicanas are being protected from the dwindling, but remaining, scourge. Big spunk you have provided this lady. Hope she gave it plenty of time to absorb into her skin. If not, have her return next week for another dose; this time closer to the facial area (nasal receptors are important, even the smell of the vaccine can help).

Not sure that hyphenated words are 'a' word. However, clearly you are boostering the ladies as needed. Some ladies have been lucky enough to receive all the forms of absorption: Skin, oral, vaginal, and anal (takes quite a lady to return repeatedly until she's received the full round-robin of dosage types). In fact here is a city Pina who has received a dose in each reception area (multiple times each). She is a long-time regular, and signed up early in the pandemic in my clinic as a matter of precaution. You will notice the smaller amount of my vax formula, hence this is a booster shot..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the recognition, which is an honor. Olfactory benefits of vaccination is something I haven't considered but will incorporate into my practice. The final frontier for me is rectal injection so I'll have to make that a focus to administer a chocopie (anal vaccination) to a lovely Mexicana. Keep up the good work Doctor Westy, who I formally dub as "Count Creampie".

Hello fellow mongers.

So I don't want to make the story long so here is the summary of my week as continuation.

Location: Makati / BGC.

The Hotel (Day2): Still at Savoy Manila Hotel. Place don't ask for girls ID. They do have a metal detector if that makes it any safer.

The Hotel (Day 3 & 4): Makati Airbnb near P burgos street. Knightsbridge residencies. Airbnb host never checked my girls for ID, neither did I gave the name of my partner when I arrived / checked in. Security guards at entrance did request the girl ID and kept it until we checked out.

The Hotel (Day 5 & 6): BGC Airbnb near Uptown mall. Parksuites Tower 2. Self checking, nobody asked for my girl ID. Door man could care less, just opened the door and no questions asked. This was actually a nice place. I was on the 17 floor (I think). Nice view.

Day 2 (Sun.): So girl "be" agreed to meet me today in the late afternoon. So I contacted girl "A" to get the breakfast we didn't get the day prior. She said she wanted to go to the mall to buy some items so I suggested for breakfast at my hotel and then together go to the mall. She arrives at 9 am, we have our breakfast, I proposed "second" breakfast in the room, so I fucked her. Afterwards, we go to the mall in BGC, called market market. The clothing was cheap and I got myself a pair of shorts and shirts. She got shoes which she paid on her own. We go to Bonifacio high street and grab food in TGI Fridays, we ate and drank by the time I check the watch is 6 pm. Need to split to meet girl "be" but she hasn't texted. We say goodbyes and I text girl "be", she says her daughter is not feeling well but she will meet me at 9 pm. 9 pm gets here and she says her daughter is still feeling sick, so I contact girl "see". Girl "see" works in a KTV bar near the famous LA Café. I get to the KTV place and there are several girls but I don't see her. I leave and go to LA Café. The live band is good and there is a lot of people, however not my kind of place. So I grab two drinks and go back to the hotel, girl "see" sends me a message and her shifts ends at 4 am. I told her to stop by after work, she agrees. But she says she will not have sex with me. She arrives sometime around 4, I open some beers and we chat. She is slim, too slim for my liking but hey she is here already. Anyway, we foreplay and she gets topless but we didn't have sex. When I woke up we say our goodbyes and I gave her 1 K for the company, she didn't ask for it but she still had to pay her taxi coming in and out so is only fair.

Day 3-6: I changed hotel to airbnb in makati. So, back in 2017 I met a nice filipina girl. At that time she was studying and she was free spirit (yes I fucked her), we stop talking for some time as she found a boyfriend and moved in with him. But about 2 years ago she left him because she found he was cheating on her. Anyway, we reconnected about a year ago and she now completed her bachelors degree and opened her online business. She said her online business is better than actually working for a company and she is loving what she does and her freedom. She met me outside the Airbnb, she didn't want to go in because we were going out and she didn't want to be hand in her ID all the time. I actually wasn't sure if we would have sex because its been 5 years and many things changed. So I went in as if I would meet her for the first time. We spend most of the time in greenbelt makati, we talked about many things, tried to updated each other in what occurred to us in 5 years. To end the night we went to a rooftop called Mistral and had a couple of drinks. We get back to the airbnb and I hand her a little victoria's secret gift, she gets the message and goes to the bathroom and it fits her perfectly. I was in the 58th floor and we had a nice view. Yeah, the sex was good, all curtains open with the city light view. Anyway, all those days she stayed with me and as you can imagine it was a sexathon. I covered most of the costs of partying and eating. I did confirm she has a degree (show me pictures) an online business (show me her site and products) and in fact in some occasions she paid for the food and drink bills. She went to do groceries, cooked adobo, and even did laundry for me. I had other girls lined up in case things go south but I didn't need to. She got emotional when she took me to the airport and we said our see you later. I gave her 6 K pesos to help out with her goals. From what she told me she makes enough to pay for her place in makati near P burgos street (which she took me to see but is only for women so I couldn't stay with her) and save money to help her family. So we agreed to meet again when she reaches her goal to expand her online business.

So, that sums up my week in Manila. So now I was on my way to Thailand BKK.

The $ damage: I was having too much fun with my last girl that I didn't keep track, but I got quoted by other girls 2 K, some 3 K and some 4 K. I don't do bar fines so these numbers are from Pinalove contacts and freelancers.

Good luck with your trip and I have to check myself because I had sex without condom all the time.

Hey Gents I will be in manilla for 2 days and was thinking do spending one of the days / nights in Quezon City. What is the best girl friendly hotel to stay at which is close to the action? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2825043]Hey Gents I will be in manilla for 2 days and was thinking do spending one of the days / nights in Quezon City. What is the best girl friendly hotel to stay at which is close to the action? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Close to which action?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2825059]Close to which action?[/QUOTE] Aren't there a ton of naughty health spa's in Quezon City? I always heard there was but I never made it down there.

You might want to stay around timog.

Hello I visit Manila often but with the pandemic haven been for an extended time- many of the agencies and girls have changed out. I wanted to pass on my experience because working with agencies in Manila is hit or miss.

I have been engaging with "manila asian escort" agency and was very impressed with their customer service. The person on the chat and text is super professional and responsive to questions- they are very patient and proactive and give great recommendations on the girls, who provides what services and information about everything. I will post my experiences- I already have 2 girls confirmed for day long bookings in June and I'm coming back July 3 so will try their girls then.

The other big agency in Manila is Manila Couteseans- they have sone good reviews but the people communicating seem pretty grumpy and not reliable on their communication-.

Manila Asian Escorts provides more a 5-star hotel level of service I think foreigners who aren't in Manila and don't know the language need that if you have 2-3 days to have fun you can't leave things to chance.

Manila Asian Escorts has arranged STD testing for the girls at my request, helped me confirm my hotel, helped me match my preferences to the girl and also given I am taking them for a full day given me advice on who has a personality that is good to a long date and speaks English well. Etc- really allows me just to have fun and to use my time there efficiently- the testing gives me peace of mind and makes the vacation relaxing! They have very detailed menus for each girl and regular photos (not glamour shots that use heavy photoshop).

Anyone else work with them I welcome your feedback, as I said I will also post separately on each girl.

[QUOTE=LATraveller;2825134]Hello I visit Manila often but with the pandemic haven been for an extended time- many of the agencies and girls have changed out. I wanted to pass on my experience because working with agencies in Manila is hit or miss.

I have been engaging with "manila asian escort" agency and was very impressed with their customer service. The person on the chat and text is super professional and responsive to questions- they are very patient and proactive and give great recommendations on the girls, who provides what services and information about everything. I will post my experiences- I already have 2 girls confirmed for day long bookings in June and I'm coming back July 3 so will try their girls then.

The other big agency in Manila is Manila Couteseans- they have sone good reviews but the people communicating seem pretty grumpy and not reliable on their communication-.

Manila Asian Escorts provides more a 5-star hotel level of service I think foreigners who aren't in Manila and don't know the language need that if you have 2-3 days to have fun you can't leave things to chance.

Manila Asian Escorts has arranged STD testing for the girls at my request, helped me confirm my hotel, helped me match my preferences to the girl and also given I am taking them for a full day given me advice on who has a personality that is good to a long date and speaks English well. Etc- really allows me just to have fun and to use my time there efficiently- the testing gives me peace of mind and makes the vacation relaxing! They have very detailed menus for each girl and regular photos (not glamour shots that use heavy photoshop).

Anyone else work with them I welcome your feedback, as I said I will also post separately on each girl.[/QUOTE]I am personally not interested in any encounters where I'd need to wear a condom, which is for me the same as no sex at all. That's why I prefer meeting girls from DIA, Tinder, or similar media.

RG.

Makes sense and agree with you- check out their site- you don't need to wear one with a good cohort of their girls are open to a royal service / pse option.

QUOTERadical Guy- I am personally not interested in any encounters where I'd need to wear a condom, which is for me the same as no sex at all. That's why I prefer meeting girls from DIA, Tinder, or similar media.

[QUOTE=LATraveller;2825331]Makes sense and agree with you- check out their site- you don't need to wear one with a good cohort of their girls are open to a royal service / pse option.

QUOTERadical Guy- I am personally not interested in any encounters where I'd need to wear a condom, which is for me the same as no sex at all. That's why I prefer meeting girls from DIA, Tinder, or similar media.[/QUOTE]I usually travel through Manila going to the province a couple of times per year, usually just arriving late one night and leaving next morning or afternoon, so no time to really check out night life or seek independent providers / freelancers. I have used Manila Courtesans a few times with varying results. My first encounter was not great. The girl spoke little English, had no condoms, and was out in about 20 minutes of a two hour date. Another date was stellar and was all I could want with a slim, sexy provider with excellent English skills. Others were in between. Typical coat is 5-7 k PHP for most girls.

I haven't really used Manila Asian Escorts, but I may check them out if their rates are comparable.

My newest try is using Pinalove. There are a lot of professional providers on there, but several who want to meet up and haven't really discussed money. One girl had been talking with me off and on for a couple of weeks and did set a price. Should I set up with the girl I met on there (23 years old and have verified it is her with specific picture requests), or go with an escort agency. I don't play often, but I certainly don't want my chance messed up!

Hey guys. I've been kind of nervous to share experiences here but I've been reading the forums in preparation for my trip and I thought I would pay it back. I have some reports from a few months ago and I hope it helps. I'll also write about what happens when I go in August / September this year.

First week of September, day 1, Friday:

Land in the Philippines. First time back since the plague. Also the first time I've been single in Manila in years, in combination with barely any action since the plague. My time has come. Airport went pretty quick without issue, I got a sim card and got in line for a taxi. That took about 30 minutes but I finally hopped in.

Last time I was there I stayed at Duck Inn on Del Pilar, and reckoned that's where I would head. Showered, shaved and decided to get some action at LA Cafe, pass out and then decide what to do for the night. I ate some food, drank a couple beers and headed towards the Cafe.

I walk in and it looks the same. What's different is the lack of attention on me. I was a fit late 20 year old in the army the last time I stopped by. Now I'm a fat 37 year old. Still younger than most of my fellow punters but gone were the days that girls would stop in their tracks when they saw me. *sigh* . I sit down at the bar and order a beer.

Well 2 minutes of sitting there and there's a girl at my side. I would tell my friends that the least attractive ones had to put in the most hustle here so I don't even look at her. She's asking my name and where I'm from, I figure I'll ignore her until she goes away. Then I take a glance and I'm shocked. To Be honest, she was kind of cute but not really special, like 6/10 but she reminded me of this Japanese exchange student we had when I was in high school. So tables have turned, I invite her to sit down and have a beer with me. So she asks again where I'm from and I say Canada. She gets all excited, tells me that she's a nurse graduate who is going to Canada that week. Toronto, the other side of me. Well she's chatting fine and we are having fun so I don't think about how she's like 28 and unlikely to have ever graduated anything, let alone Nursing when she's pushing 30. She asks for 5 k for a short time. I balk. Last time I visited I paid 3 k for short and 5 k for long. I offer her 4 and she accepts. Should have gone lower but what's done is done. We finish and go to my hotel.

A couple more beers and we shower up. And here's where I had the dumb thought. I've been reading "they don't even know what a condom is in the Philippines" here for a while. I've frequented these kinds of places like once a year, basically when I was escaping my now ex-wife, and I thought "I've never had a girl who didn't insist on a condom". Was it me? Something about me that made them want to wrap up? Non-working girls never asked for one but all the working girls did. So anyways, she asks if I have one and I wrap up. About 10 minutes in she figures it's not working for me so she removes it. Sweet!

Did everything I asked for, mouths, positions, etc and I finally let it go. We lay there a bit and she promised to call me when she gets to Canada. Says she won't charge me when she's there and stuff like that. So I pay her. But now I'm awake and want more action. But not from her. I already experienced her. I'm trying to politely kick her out and she asks what I'm doing. I feign tiredness but she tells me that I should go back and get another girl. I lose my poker face and look at her confused. I'm waiting for her to tell me she has a friend or something, but nothing of the sort. She tells me it doesn't bother her and she'll walk with me over there. So I went there with her. But she sits down beside me. I look at her confused and she says that she's waiting for her friend to bring her shoes so she'll keep me company. So I sat there, drinking with this girl and we eventually ordered food. I'm confused because I've never had a girl follow me from my hotel room back to the LA Cafe and not leave. A few more beers and a couple hours, well now I'm actually tired. So she offered to give me a massage for 4 k. I laugh in her face. She relents to 1 k, claiming it's for her fare because of course she lives on the other side of the city. We get back to my hotel and it's actually a decent massage. Well she offers herself for another 3 k. I tell her I'll give another 1 k so 2 k in total. She starts to whine and pout but after rubbing her little sister a bit she changes her tune and so round 2 with her. She leaves this time and I really wonder if I should sleep or not. I guess she forgot about the shoes? Haha. It's like 7 pm at this point. I figure the best thing to do is push on and fall asleep closer to midnight, my usual bedtime.

So I arrived at the LA Cafe again, this time my body is tired as hell. I'm drinking beer, like just going through the motions, but I'm really regretting this decision. Now that I'm looking for girls, I notice that most of them aren't even in their 20's, it's looking like 30's and 40's. All the men seem to be having a great time. Most have a girl on their arm. When I finally see a smoking hot early 20 year old, she sits down with this nerdy looking Korean guy. Every time I see a hot girl, she's already with an east asian, like without fail. So I keep drinking, thinking that time is on my side and something will show up.

Well eventually I see Lye, early 30's but she could have lied and said 24. Just the faintest crow's feet on her eyes when she smiles, the rest of her looked young and fit. She smiles and sits down. So I ordered two beers. She says she noticed me a while ago but wasn't sure what my type was. I tell her maganda at payat pero balangkinitan (Pretty and thin but pepsi bottle shaped). She laughs, they always do, and tells me she has a friend like her. She disappears and brings back this other girl, a little taller but more slender. At this point I realize I'm good for sleep. I should not be hopping in bed with one, let alone 2 girls. But I've never been known for my intelligence so I ask how much. They both want 5 k. Is this the new norm? They're both prettier than the first girl so I offer 4 k which they accept. Back to my hotel and there's a live band. We have a few drinks. The sour puss looking manager there tells me there's an additional 400 peso fee for another guest. I don't argue and pay.

So up to the room we go. Well after showering up, the deeds commence. Neither were too keen on oral so that didn't last long. But as for the deed, well this was the first time I had a threesome where the girl insisted on a condom. I had one in Davao where one of the girls made me wash it with soap every time I switched girls but this taller one, Gia, insisted on a condom switch every time. It's reasonable, albeit wasteful, so I don't argue. Well then she realized why I get tanked before a threesome, because I know that this won't be over in minutes and she's annoyed. I don't think I've ever met a girl with such a bad attitude. She's sighing and moaning and groaning that I haven't come yet. It gets to the point I tell her to leave. She balks. I tell her I'll pay her for her time but I've had enough. I don't think she was expecting that. She apologizes but takes me on the offer before I change my mind. She tells Lye to dress and I'm laying there in bed wondering if I have the energy to go back there for a 4th girl. I ask Lye to stay overnight. She wants another 3 and promises unlimited shots in the morning, and to stay until I check out. I agree. So Gia leaves, a bit annoyed but 4 k richer, and Lye stays.

Finish the deed and we both pass out. I availed of her offer and then a couple more times before checkout. I stand up to shower and see at least 8 condoms on the ground. The poor housekeeping lady is going to think I had an orgy there! I clean them up best as I can and we leave.

Well that was quite long for one day. I have a few more days to report, if you guys want me more to the point I'll keep all the fluff out. Thanks for reading!

Hello again gents. Day 2 is in the Makati page if you guys are interested. After that day I flew to Mindanao for a few months. I think I'll write something up for the Davao area but there's a lot of information to disseminate. I'll just finish the Manila adventures before going to that.

Day 3 Manila. First week of December.

So I land back in Manila, knowing that I'm heading back home to pussy prison and want to make it worth it. My flight arrived in the evening. I book in Duck Inn like before, shower and shave, then head down to the bar to get some food and beer before I head off.

I arrive at LA Cafe at like 9 pm there. It's packed. It's a week day but I'm glad to see it so full. I grab a seat and do my usual "pretend to be bored and looking up at the air while I glance around the floor". Well the talent is weak. Same thing as before, mostly women in their 30's. Eventually this 30 year old tries to befriend me and I tell her she's not my type. Well she's determined to help me out so I explain what I like and she goes around to find what I want. The spinner I point out is at a table with 4 other girls and 2 koreans. *sigh*. Time passes and finally, 2 spinners. She goes to talk to them, they take a look at me and shake their head. I'm trying not to take it personal, but I'm a little hurt. I ask what's the problem and she says that they're waiting for korean customers.

Another 20 minutes and 2 more spinners. One is tiny as hell, like 80 lbs. The other is a young mother, but early 20's and not showing baby damage (showed me her stomach). So I sit down with her, her friend, and my new friend. I order us drinks and food. They want salmon. It took over an hour to arrive. Don't ever go to the LA cafe when you're hungry. Goodness. Well anyways, night is going fine but there was a flaw in this strategy. I told my friend I wanted to pay 3-4 k short time. She promised to negotiate. She didn't. Both these girls were expecting 5 k each. This is where I got mind numbingly stupid. I just came from the province where I was having 4 somes with 3 smoking hot 20 years for 1. 5 k each. So the idea of paying for 5 k was absurd to me. It was stupid, but I offered 4 k and they were genuinely offended. They stormed off and did not come back. They ended up leaving alone about an hour later. No one to blame but me really, I literally just wrote a report about how I paid 10 k for one girl in Makati but 5 k was too much? I will regret that decision for years to come.

My friend apologizes. Doesn't take blame for miscommunicating. But she still wants to help me out. She says she noticed I was staring at this girl and she'll go get her for me. I was picturing one of the spinners I was looking at but she comes back with this chubbier girl with an absolutely beautiful face. I want to feel the bones on her as she rides on top but there was no doubt this was a gorgeous woman, even if she wasn't my usual cup of tea. At this point its like 2 am and I'm drunk as a skunk so I don't argue. The 3 of us go back to my hotel and ordered some more food and beer before going upstairs. My friend didn't join us in the room, and I tried to give her 500 for her troubles but she refused it. Probably the first time in history a filipina turned down money. She felt bad about the miscommunication and acknowledged I bought her drinks and food all night. I left the 500 on the table and I'm guessing she kept it haha.

So my angelic face girl and I head upstairs. Shower and stuff. She wants 5 k but offers to stay until the morning. No condom was requested and so I stupidly enjoyed BBFS. That was probably one of the better sessions I had, we seemed to have a good night. We passed out at some point and she finished me off again before she left in the morning. I Gcashed her 5 k and gave her 500 for her cab. She left happily.

Day 4:

I fell back asleep and had some hangover pizza. Turns out Little Caesar's didn't survive the pandemic. I know, call me a mad man, but 3 months out of country and for some reason I was craving that pizza. Had lunch at Shakey's and then returned to my hotel to pass out before my last tango in paris.

So around 9 pm I guess I go back to LA Cafe. It's worse than the night before. Until I see her. Guys, this girl was so hot that I would have sold a kidney to spend time with her. Perfect skinny body with curves in the right places, blonde hair and almost korean looking. Well surprise bloody surprise, she's sitting with 2 other girls almost as hot as her and 3 korean guys. They stayed there the whole night! Like. Wouldn't you take a girl out like that? I kept hoping they'd leave without her but I ended up leaving before she did.

I see the first 2 spinners from the previous night and wave at them. They look at me for a bit and then walk away. *sigh*. I don't see ANY girls that I want to take, other than those 2 spinners and the 3 kpop girls. I'm walking around, going back and forth from upstairs and downstairs but nothing. Then I run into Lye, the girl from the first report. Now that I've been in the Philippines for 3 months and been going with girls 15 years younger than me, the idea of paying for a 32 year old seems silly to me. It's a bit awkward as I don't offer to take her and she eventually leaves, a bit annoyed. It's now after midnight and I'm double annoyed. I go to the CR with my beer and it slips from my hand. Shatters instantly. I meekly tell the bar staff so they can clean it up. Then the managers asks if I've already paid my tab. Sheesh. I'm sensing I'm about to be asked to leave. I pay it up, slam my beer back and leave.

Of course it's my last night so I remember this one night I ended up in a bar called Apeiro. High class cat house, but I remember when the lineup came out I instantly found like 5 girls that I wanted so I was ok with this. As we are pulling up, the cab driver tells me that the bar beside it, the'bay, is better. I ask why and he insists that he brings more customers there and they seem to prefer it. I'm sure he's getting a cut but I have no reason to go to Apeiro, the bar I hadn't visited in over 10 years so I decide to take his advice.

Well first things first, I was the only non-asian there. Every single customer was east asian looking to me. The only filipinos were staff and there were no westerners to be seen. I'm half expecting to be escorted out but the servers welcome me and sit me down at this awesome couch. I'm looking around and all these girls are stellar. Not every single one was my type but it would be hard to not find your type here. I'm figuring this is going to be the most expensive night I've had but again, last night in Philippines for a year so I'm ok with this.

So they do the line up, not just for my benefit, and as this happens I see this beautiful angel of a girl walking towards these asian guys. She sits down and I can't stop staring at her. I ignore the lineup girls and berate myself for being a tool bag. She's taken. There's lot of girls. Pick another. The manager comes over and is asking me what I like. I get the impression this is where I have to make clear I'm not just here to oggle the girls and that I'm taking one with me. I tell him my preferences but I'm stupidly comparing all the new girls to the first one I saw. This mental battle goes on for a while until the best thing all week happens to me! The Chinese customers get up, she hugs one and walks away. YES!! She's free! I jump up so quickly I almost knock my beer over and get the server. Send him for the manager. Manager comes back and I'm describing the girl to him. It took about 20 minutes but she shows up. I'm giddy like a school boy. So we start chatting and I'm grinning ear to ear. I bought her a couple drinks, I think 800 each? So with my 3 beers, the chicken she ordered, her 3 lady drinks, plus her take out fee it was like 17 k. Yeah, this is not for the budget friendly punters gents. Bring your wallets. The Manager tells me I'll get a discount next I go there. He asks for my we chat. I'll get to that later.

So I bring the girl to my Duck Inn room, actually feeling guilty since a high class broad like her deserved a better room. She seems fine with it though. We had another beer or two in the lounge and then headed up stairs to do the deed. Condomed up, and condom oral (sigh) but the deed itself was everything I ever wanted. That was one of my more memorable nights, honestly better than my first Japanese. She was absolutely gorgeous, to the point I asked if we could keep in touch when I left. Well that ended about as well as you would think. We chatted every day for about 2 weeks until she asked if she could "borrow" 20 k to pay her rent. I didn't send it to her and I didn't hear from her again. Oh well. She gave the usual sob story about how she was trying to escape poverty but this girl was addicted to money and "fame"(Had a decently successful TikTok). I commented on her pretty nose and she told me it was surgery but she didn't like it so she'd fix it again. This was not a little village girl hoping to escape, she was in it to win it. Oh well.

So last point to mention here guys. Not only did I give the manager my wechat but at one point I asked the staff to charge my iphone, which they did. My girl left at around 5 am, and with my flight leaving in 6 hours, I decided to nap a couple hours before. I woke up to my mom messaging me, asking if I was alright. I said I was. She told me that my dad got a message on whatsapp from what we found out to be a Chinese phone number telling them that I needed them to send me money because I broke my phone or some scam. Did the waiting staff get my number from my phone? Was it the manager? I have no idea. I'm heading back there in August and I'm thinking I'll give Apeiro a try.

I will report what happens this year, but after the fact rather than months later. I do have one question for you guys, and I have RTFF but I didn't see this. Those 9/10 girls that are hanging out with the korean guys? Is there a way to get them before they do? Like can I show up earlier or is there a place to meet that calibre of woman? I'm aware it'll cost more but I don't mind spending more to get a higher quality. I've also seen groups of koreans at the mall with a group of filipinas half their age. I've checked out DIA but the talent looks weak on there and the few I message don't reply. Just wondering if anyone has any advice for this.

Thanks for reading!

I am a regular in Colombia because I dig the Colombian women's looks. Today I found out that Manny Pacquiao's wife is Filipina, and she is 100% Colombiana passing. So due to the Spanish influence in the Philippines, are there still many eurasian women for p4 p? If so, I will be planing a trip to Philippines. Thanks.

[QUOTE=FrankWake;2826289]Hello again gents. Day 2 is in the Makati page if you guys are interested. After that day I flew to Mindanao for a few months. I think I'll write something up for the Davao area but there's a lot of information to disseminate. I'll just finish the Manila adventures before going to that.


I will report what happens this year, but after the fact rather than months later. I do have one question for you guys, and I have RTFF but I didn't see this. Those 9/10 girls that are hanging out with the korean guys? Is there a way to get them before they do? Like can I show up earlier or is there a place to meet that calibre of woman? I'm aware it'll cost more but I don't mind spending more to get a higher quality. I've also seen groups of koreans at the mall with a group of filipinas half their age. I've checked out DIA but the talent looks weak on there and the few I message don't reply. Just wondering if anyone has any advice for this.

Thanks for reading![/QUOTE]You did get to them before them, when you was in the province. Unfortunately the general idea they have is Koreans pay more for a much easier nights work. They assume westerners in places like LAC are there to negotiate. I'm not aware of any places to go earlier than they do. They seem to show up at bars at opening time. Only was is play the longer game you'll get one eventually and then ask her to refer you to all her friends. Get the reputation as the big spender you seem to be and they'll be flocking to you I'm sure. The other way is find them online and send your offers.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2826959]I am a regular in Colombia because I dig the Colombian women's looks. Today I found out that Manny Pacquiao's wife is Filipina, and she is 100% Colombiana passing. So due to the Spanish influence in the Philippines, are there still many eurasian women for p4 p? If so, I will be planing a trip to Philippines. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Many darker skinned Pinas describe be themselves as "Morena".

There is some Spanish in the mix but it's not blatantly obvious. Well, not to me anyway.

Keep in mind that girls from different islands and Provences have dramatically different features. There is no Pilippina "look".

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=FrankWake;2826289]Hello again gents. Day 2 is in the Makati page if you guys are interested. After that day I flew to Mindanao for a few months. I think I'll write something up for the Davao area but there's a lot of information to disseminate. I'll just finish the Manila adventures before going to that....

I do have one question for you guys, and I have RTFF but I didn't see this. Those 9/10 girls that are hanging out with the korean guys? Is there a way to get them before they do? Like can I show up earlier or is there a place to meet that calibre of woman? I'm aware it'll cost more but I don't mind spending more to get a higher quality. I've also seen groups of koreans at the mall with a group of filipinas half their age. I've checked out DIA but the talent looks weak on there and the few I message don't reply. Just wondering if anyone has any advice for this.

Thanks for reading![/QUOTE]Frank,

To answer your two questions:

1/. Yes, your reports are well worth reading and I would certainly be interested in an up to date report on DVO.

2/. Many 9's regard themselves as Korean only simply because they get paid more for less effort than going with a westerner. There are exceptions though. Try to get numbers and meet out of work so that the high end girl is not seen slumming it with a white guy. 😁 . Or sheer perseverance. Many Residents have access to these girls as they are available at short notice when the girls are short on cash.

IG girls can be colour blind but expect unbelievably poor service as they are so use to simps and sugar daddies spending mega bucks for no return.

If course, if you are reasonably attractive and have some game, there is no harm in trying to meet up with civimoian hotties too.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2827000]

Keep in mind that girls from different islands and Provences have dramatically different features. There is no Pilippina "look".

[/QUOTE]So which island have girls with more latina / european features?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2827152]So which island have girls with more latina / european features?[/QUOTE]A generalisation, but Mindanao girls tend to be significantly taller, more statuesque and bigger breasted than your average Pina spinner. Many are stunningly good looking at least to me.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2827006]Frank,

To answer your two questions:

1/. Yes, your reports are well worth reading and I would certainly be interested in an up to date report on DVO.

2/. Many 9's regard themselves as Korean only simply because they get paid more for less effort than going with a westerner. There are exceptions though. Try to get numbers and meet out of work so that the high end girl is not seen slumming it with a white guy. 😁 . Or sheer perseverance. Many Residents have access to these girls as they are available at short notice when the girls are short on cash.

IG girls can be colour blind but expect unbelievably poor service as they are so use to simps and sugar daddies spending mega bucks for no return.

If course, if you are reasonably attractive and have some game, there is no harm in trying to meet up with civimoian hotties too.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I posted in Davao, hopefully it's approved soon. It was a bit more vague because. Well, I definitely hit over 20 working girls in 3 months so it would have taken me a year to write out each night.

For Manila, I've been hitting the gym and am going to dress a bit different when I go back to LA Cafe. Hoping to get one of those K-pop girls. I might end up at a disco on a Saturday night there so I'll post if anything happens. Otherwise I'll be at LA Cafe or Apeiro.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2827152]So which island have girls with more latina / european features?[/QUOTE]A question that can't be answered, because its vague. The two latina features that are common everywhere would be the wide base of the nose and the thick lips (a very Mexican look).

What 'latina' features are you talking about? What Euro features are you talking about? Be specific. Coming to asia in hopes of finding latina / Euro features: For what purpose? Those will be found in Europe? Central / South America?

Several years ago I discovered two Russian working girls in Makati. Does one travel to Philippines for Russian ladies?* There are no specific islands in Phils that have girls with more latina / euro features that I am aware of. Yes, there is a mild difference in height and / or looks as one moves south (or north) in the country. Its my opinion that the girls are prettier to the south. However there may be no discernible difference between two neighboring islands. There are 7000 islands, 700 of which are inhabited, with 240+ different dialects. Other gents?

*Caveat: I have also discovered pinay working girls hustling in bars in Central America.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2827244]A question that can't be answered, because its vague. The two latina features that are common everywhere would be the wide base of the nose and the thick lips (a very Mexican look).

What 'latina' features are you talking about?[/QUOTE]To me the most attractive part of "Latina" is how they sound when they speak English. If she sounds like "Salma Hayek" it's on! Doesn't hurt to look like her too. It's my one problem with Thai girls, the unpleasant sound in English. So where, if anywhere, in Philippines do the girls sound like Spanish was their natural language before speaking English?

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2827370]To me the most attractive part of "Latina" is how they sound when they speak English. If she sounds like "Salma Hayek" it's on! Doesn't hurt to look like her too. It's my one problem with Thai girls, the unpleasant sound in English. So where, if anywhere, in Philippines do the girls sound like Spanish was their natural language before speaking English?[/QUOTE]Nowhere. Spanish isn't even taught in schools here.

GE.

Hey fellas. Do any of you meet girls on Facebook. What groups or what method do you use to find girls on FB?

[QUOTE=Revrez;2827608]Hey fellas. Do any of you meet girls on Facebook. What groups or what method do you use to find girls on FB?[/QUOTE]I gave up on FB for first meet ups or point of contact. Trying to find MaryJane from Cebu amongst the 10,000 other MaryJanes was just too hard. I also didn't like FB's habit of potentially embarrassing recommendations to my friends and family. If you're ok with these, it can be a very good source of known girls' friends and family.

There are Girls for Foreigner type groups but they are typically truly horrific. The group members aligned with cities or clubs would be a better bet.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Revrez;2827608]Hey fellas. Do any of you meet girls on Facebook. What groups or what method do you use to find girls on FB?[/QUOTE]If you're looking for "pay for play" girls search for "WALK" or "WALKER" groups (slang for professional hookers). Some of these girls ask for ridiculous money like 5-10 k for short time. Lowball and stick to your price and they will likely still go for it.

If you're looking for casual hookups, search for "pinay or filipinas looking for foreigner" groups. If you are a White guy or "afam" in local slang, you will not have a hard time looking for a 1-2 week girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Revrez;2827608]Hey fellas. Do any of you meet girls on Facebook. What groups or what method do you use to find girls on FB?[/QUOTE]Exclusively, been my go to method for the last 9 years.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2827406]Nowhere. Spanish isn't even taught in schools here.

GE.[/QUOTE]In further research, their language has some Spanish influence in it after 333 years of Spanish rule. [URL]https://livexp.com/blog/filipino-and-spanish/?utm_source=blog-en&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=%2Fblog%2Ffilipino-and-spanish%2F[/URL].

...and WestCoast1 schooled me some about the subject too.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2827742]In further research, their language has some Spanish influence in it after 333 years of Spanish rule. [URL]https://livexp.com/blog/filipino-and-spanish/?utm_source=blog-en&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=%2Fblog%2Ffilipino-and-spanish%2F[/URL].

...and WestCoast1 schooled me some about the subject too.[/QUOTE]Dang that Westy guy.

A subset of Spanish words are still leftover. Possibly 10-ish% of the language (s) is Spanish. However Spanish is not taught in school as a complete and separate language. Those words still in existence here are considered part of the local tongue and are taught in school as are other words (some Malay / other polynesian, or some English). The local tongue in each area (ie Tagalog, Cebuano, Bisaya) will have differing mixes of these, and are considered complete dialects in and of themselves. The local tongue is learned from birth in the home as in any other country. English is taught in school as a separate language starting in grade 1 or 2, I believe.

Of the subset of Spanish words, they are often spelled as they sound in your ear (phonetically). The Spanish trabajo (your job) is often spelled in Phils as trabaho. The Spanish quiet J sounds like an H, thus the spelling. The Spanish guapo (handsome, like Westy) might be spelled as gwapo. The Spanish como estas (how are you) is spelled as kumusta (or such, as it sounds like como esta) and might be shortened to 'musta'.

Everyone here learns 3 sets of numbers: One, two, three; un, dos, tres; and esa, delawa, tatlo (Tagalog). Or usa / usi, duha, tulo (Cebuano). Or esi (to my ear), duha, tulo (Bisaya). Regardless of dialect, everyone understands those as English, Spanish, and their local tongue. While a cebuano here might not understand that delawa (Tagalog) means '2', everyone here understands that dos (Spanish) means '2'. Its a strange mix.

A lot of Spanish is simply missing here. If you try to strike up a conversation here in Spanish, you will befuddle most pinoy. There is a group of pinoy in NW Mindanao called Badiao that speak very good Spanish as their native dialect (Bisaya is second for them). Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2827703]I gave up on FB for first meet ups or point of contact. Trying to find MaryJane from Cebu amongst the 10,000 other MaryJanes was just too hard. I also didn't like FB's habit of potentially embarrassing recommendations to my friends and family. If you're ok with these, it can be a very good source of known girls' friends and family.

There are Girls for Foreigner type groups but they are typically truly horrific. The group members aligned with cities or clubs would be a better bet..[/QUOTE]Fair point. I have noticed the friend suggestion in both FB and IG. Not good. I'll try to look up city specific fb groups. Go from there.

[QUOTE=AgentOrange;2827712]If you're looking for "pay for play" girls search for "WALK" or "WALKER" groups (slang for professional hookers). Some of these girls ask for ridiculous money like 5-10 k for short time. Lowball and stick to your price and they will likely still go for it.

If you're looking for casual hookups, search for "pinay or filipinas looking for foreigner" groups. If you are a White guy or "afam" in local slang, you will not have a hard time looking for a 1-2 week girlfriend.[/QUOTE]Alright that's good stuff. I'll give those search terms a try.

Noted but I'm not white. I'm colored.

I am colored too, been to Philippines few times. Filipinos are very uninformed about world most of them. When I say, I am from USA, they don't believe me.

But money talks, even you are white guy you will have hard time scoring the working class good girls unless you are exceptionally good looking guy with blonde hair and blue eyes.

If you you built up relationship online before you go which is a lot of work.

If you can pay, you will have not much issue getting girls from LA cafe or malls.

[QUOTE=Revrez;2827826]Alright that's good stuff. I'll give those search terms a try.

Noted but I'm not white. I'm colored.[/QUOTE]

Hey fellow monger.

I have tried to RTFF but have not found many consildated answers. The back story is this:

I've been playing around with a 22 year old Uni student for about the last year and I promised her to take her out to a Gogo bar next weekend. Since I have not been to one since the late 90's I really have no clue where to take her.

Can anyone please enlighten this old monger on the current situation and whereabouts of the Gogo bar scene in Makati / Manila are.

TIA.

GC.

If I had to pick just one now I’d probably say Lips.

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2828041]Hey fellow monger.

I have tried to RTFF but have not found many consildated answers. The back story is this:

I've been playing around with a 22 year old Uni student for about the last year and I promised her to take her out to a Gogo bar next weekend. Since I have not been to one since the late 90's I really have no clue where to take her.

Can anyone please enlighten this old monger on the current situation and whereabouts of the Gogo bar scene in Makati / Manila are.

TIA.

GC.[/QUOTE]Ahem GC. From the first two pages of the Makati thread (where the P Burgos St gogo bars have been for decades). The first is a description of Lips and Maison. The second is Muttley's current map of the Burgos area bars, resto's, hotels and coffee shops. The last is my update on Burgos bars with locations and pictures.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2825593&viewfull=1#post2825593[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2823855&viewfull=1#post2823855[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=2805938&viewfull=1#post2805938[/URL]

Take her to any of those gogos on Burgos. Or, take her to LA Cafe in Ermita (del Pilar St, corner Salas St) on a Friday / Saturday evening (150-200 freelancers available, with live band upstairs).

[QUOTE=Betong;2828047]If I had to pick just one now Id probably say Lips.[/QUOTE]I'the second this, excellent shout. Seen quite a few civilian girls in there with partners. GC. Lips is on Badajos, one of side roads off P. Burgos. The Gogo is upstairs.

Another option would be V8 on P. Burgos.

From Global Citizen's most recent posts: All questions. Good luck finding solid FR's.

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2210368]Can anyone tell me if there are swinger's clubs in HCMC such as the FKK in Germany?

Thanks in advance.

GC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2204907]Will be coming to HCMC with my girlfriend late August and would like to know if there are spas for couples that offer extra service.

Are bi-sexual women common in Vietnam amongst working girls?

Thanks in advance.

GC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2183576]Just a quick quesion: Is "Happy" food still available in PP?

Thanks in advance.

GC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2039245]Can anyone identify this bar for me in AC?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;1633233]Hi Guys,

I will be coming to Cebu on Oct 20th and will be staying at the Marco Polo. Can someone tell me if there are massage parlors that provide FS around this hotel?

Thanks in advance. P.S. If anyone is in town, love to buy you a beer in exchange for the lay of the land.[/QUOTE]GC: My vote for gogo would be Lips, Maison, or V8. Now that we've tossed out some ideas, please write us a descriptive field report of your upcoming adventure.

Hey friends,

What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]Hey friends,

What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]I am sure that can be arranged. Private clinics charge $100+ for a comprehensive STD test, there are also public health clinics that do it free. Some girls actually do this already.

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AgentOrange;2828271]I am sure that can be arranged. Private clinics charge $100+ for a comprehensive STD test, there are also public health clinics that do it free. Some girls actually do this already.[/QUOTE]Full testing. How long does it take to get results back? 24 or more hours? Asking, as the idea of taking her to a lab, giving samples (blood, urine, pharyngeal), and waiting for cultures to be developed: Kills the mood?

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]Hey friends,

What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828292]Full testing. How long does it take to get results back? 24 or more hours? Asking, as the idea of taking her to a lab, giving samples (blood, urine, pharyngeal), and waiting for cultures to be developed: Kills the mood?[/QUOTE]Doable yes, worth it, probably not. Places like Pulse Clinic will charge you $300 for full suite of tests, however, with incubation periods for STDs like Syphilis (around 10 days), unless you can guarantee she's not fucked anyone else in past few weeks you can still catch STD. HIV has much longer incubation period if I recall correctly. Presumably you'll be getting tested also to put her mind at ease, a lot of dollars.

Also, as Westy has said, there is a time limit between tests and getting results. Depending on type of test it's 8-48 hours, so similar to testing before she meets you, are you keeping her for that period to ensure she doesn't meet anyone else?

Pinalove is not letting me send any messages at all? Is there something I am missing. Do I need to do something in the Free version to be able to chat?

This is very useless trick, You can take the girl for test but what is the gurentte she was not fucked last night or few days ago? Unfortunatly this is part of this hobby is taking risk.

Fillipinas are natorious liars and cheaters. They will get fucked by neibhour pinoy guy, classmate, crush or some forigner stopping by.

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]Hey friends,

What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2828320]Pinalove is not letting me send any messages at all? Is there something I am missing. Do I need to do something in the Free version to be able to chat?[/QUOTE]As an unpaid member, you should get one message every ten minutes to any girl who is not marked as "Popular". Try too often and you will get an error message saying how long to wait and promoting you to sign up for an unrestricted paid account.

Either you are trying to message to often, message girls who are restricted because of their popularity or you have been blocked.

I've been banned from a few platforms in the past and a simple call or email to their help desk sorts everything out quickly.

As an aside, if you are using PL enough that it's an issue, then I've always found paid accounts much better value than dealing with the restrictions of free accounts. Most are only $20. I'll also add in my usual comment that any app is much more use when actually in country. I gave up doing any pregame ground work ages ago.

Good luck. G.

Hey Guys,

I have a 2 day layover in Manila and I really want to make the most of it. I've been to AC, but not Manila and I really want to meet a a young spinner. I'm talking 5 feet nothing, small breast, braces ect (18 and over of course).

Hope I'm being to crude, but if anyone can point me in the right direction as to a specific bar, establishment or neighborhood I would appreciate it.

Also, should I stsy Makati or some other neighborhood?

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]Hey friends,

What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]+1 on what others have said. It's doable but how much faith are you going to place on a result that is only for the specific point in time when blood was drawn. Plenty of opportunities to show a false negative by either party becoming infected during the incubation period before testing or in the few days that it takes to receive results. The more sexualy active he or she is, the more of a risk that receiving a false reading is.

What's driving the decision? If she is a good girl worried about being dosed up by a rogue foreigner, then go get the test just to put her mind at ease. If you are fucking hoes and worried about the consequences, then just tarp up.

My last suite of tests was 2700 peso and I think results were back in 48 hours.

Cheers. G.

I flew into Manila Ninoy Aquino for a one week business trip and checked out the scene. Still good expect the food. Filipino cuisine is terrible.

Hey Gents,

I'm in Manila for the first time for only 2 days and I really don't want to waste time bar hoping or online. I'm looking for a real spinner, 5 feet nothing (braces is a plus). If anyone can point me in right direction (bar, establishment, contacts) I'd greatly appreciate it!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828292]Full testing. How long does it take to get results back? 24 or more hours? Asking, as the idea of taking her to a lab, giving samples (blood, urine, pharyngeal), and waiting for cultures to be developed: Kills the mood?[/QUOTE]Raises the mood for me and kills anxiety.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2828297]Doable yes, worth it, probably not. Places like Pulse Clinic will charge you $300 for full suite of tests, however, with incubation periods for STDs like Syphilis (around 10 days), unless you can guarantee she's not fucked anyone else in past few weeks you can still catch STD. HIV has much longer incubation period if I recall correctly. Presumably you'll be getting tested also to put her mind at ease, a lot of dollars.

Also, as Westy has said, there is a time limit between tests and getting results. Depending on type of test it's 8-48 hours, so similar to testing before she meets you, are you keeping her for that period to ensure she doesn't meet anyone else?[/QUOTE]Bro, how do all these bareback porn sites do it? They all do bareback with Pinays and I'm sure they're not risking male performer's health on a regular basis. And these are Western guys usually.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2828398]+1 on what others have said. It's doable but how much faith are you going to place on a result that is only for the specific point in time when blood was drawn. Plenty of opportunities to show a false negative by either party becoming infected during the incubation period before testing or in the few days that it takes to receive results. The more sexualy active he or she is, the more of a risk that receiving a false reading is.

What's driving the decision? If she is a good girl worried about being dosed up by a rogue foreigner, then go get the test just to put her mind at ease. If you are fucking hoes and worried about the consequences, then just tarp up.

My last suite of tests was 2700 peso and I think results were back in 48 hours.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]The decision driver is that I want to creampie the girl and I don't want to catch anything. Whether it's a regular girl or a hoe. Regular girls have PLENTY of STDs in PH too.

[QUOTE=Benja85;2828421]Hey Gents,

I'm in Manila for the first time for only 2 days and I really don't want to waste time bar hoping or online. I'm looking for a real spinner, 5 feet nothing (braces is a plus). If anyone can point me in right direction (bar, establishment, contacts) I'd greatly appreciate it![/QUOTE]Escort services, Manila Courtesans or such. You can scout them in advance. If you want to completely skip the gogo scene, this is the way to go. Expect to pay premium.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828542]Escort services, Manila Courtesans or such. You can scout them in advance. If you want to completely skip the gogo scene, this is the way to go. Expect to pay premium.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much WC1! Your a legend! I'm not opposed to the bars or any other establishments, I just want to know is there a specific bar or club in Makati or somewhere else that has a high number of short spinners? Or do I have to do some leg work?

[QUOTE=Benja85;2828421]Hey Gents,

I'm in Manila for the first time for only 2 days and I really don't want to waste time bar hoping or online. I'm looking for a real spinner, 5 feet nothing (braces is a plus). If anyone can point me in right direction (bar, establishment, contacts) I'd greatly appreciate it![/QUOTE]Try smooci.

I will be there from 9/1/23 through 9/10/23. I will be busy most nights so am looking for options for early times of the day. Maybe sometimes right after lunch. I'm interested in small hot spinners. What are my best options for higher quality during mid day early evening. I prefer something where you can actually meet or a line up. Thank for any help in advance. I appreciate all the material on the site it's very helpful!

Just go to la cafe, plenty of hot chicks going there for 2 k any time of day. BTW they really do need you to buy them a lady drink before they can leave, or they have to pay 300 exit tax. 1 pop only they are surprisingly firm on that. Unless you go long time I guess.

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2828320]Pinalove is not letting me send any messages at all? Is there something I am missing. Do I need to do something in the Free version to be able to chat?[/QUOTE]Use the App as there are more girls you can message. Once you have sent a message use the website. Open up girls you want to chat with in a new tab. It will have a countdown timer. When it expires you can message that girl. You will not be able to message another girl for 10 minutes. If you have the patience it is free. Otherwise pay for membership and message anyone anytime.

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828438]Bro, how do all these bareback porn sites do it? They all do bareback with Pinays and I'm sure they're not risking male performer's health on a regular basis. And these are Western guys usually.[/QUOTE]Porn producers typically require a testing certificate for all actors, within a certain number of days prior to the shoot (ie, 14-ish days). Its still risky.

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828435]Raises the mood for me and kills anxiety.[/QUOTE]Completely understandable.

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828156]What if I take the girl to do a full STD test right before we bareback? Do you think it's doable? How much would it cost? Has anyone done that?[/QUOTE]Apology. I was thinking in the mold of most gents who frequent the site, the 1-2 week warriors. Due to the nature of that beast, its frequent sex with unknown PYT's. Creampies around with as many find-f*ck-forget pina as possible. Barfine, take her to your place, creampie the girl, cut her loose, sleep, and repeat. From that standpoint, testing means waiting a day or so. Many gents want to get in, drop a load, and start looking for the next poon target.

You might want to test several on Monday. Then have #1 on Tuesday evening, #2 on Wednesday morning, and #3 on Thursday morning? Just spit-balling. Be prepped to spend some money on the testing. Alternately you can test just one girl, and if she's negative and turns out good in the sack, keep her by your side for your entire stay. However keep in mind, that during the times that she is away from you (getting her kids to school or other family items), she might be hammering someone else.

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2828320]Pinalove is not letting me send any messages at all? Is there something I am missing. Do I need to do something in the Free version to be able to chat?[/QUOTE]You do know that this hobby is "pay to play".

[QUOTE=Swift4;2828438]Bro, how do all these bareback porn sites do it? They all do bareback with Pinays and I'm sure they're not risking male performer's health on a regular basis. And these are Western guys usually.[/QUOTE]Getting tests done in porn frequently, definitely reduces the risks, however, even in western porn there are outbreaks. While cases of HIV have been reduced massively, I suspect this is mainly due to medical advancements, such as PREP and increased usage of condoms.

The guys that do AsianStreetMeat, TukTuk Patrol etc are I suspect riddled and good friends with practitioners at their local clinic with all business they give them.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828638]Porn producers typically require a testing certificate for all actors, within a certain number of days prior to the shoot (ie, 14-ish days). Its still risky.[/QUOTE]I'd expect high volume, high risk testers in the west to be taking advantage of DNA / RNA tests. These dramatically reduce incubation periods and and result response times.

I'm not an authority but I think they are available for most of the problem diseases now.

Not sure if the OP can get access to them if he is still worried.

Of course, they all still only let you know after the horse has bolted.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Benja85;2828591]I just want to know is there a specific bar or club in Makati or somewhere else that has a high number of short spinners? Or do I have to do some leg work?[/QUOTE]The gogo bars don't hire specific body types. You have to do the leg work. In a freelance bar like LA Cafe, there are all types of girls.

[QUOTE=Benja85;2828591]Thank you so much WC1! Your a legend![/QUOTE]I am working on getting all the ladies to say that. . .

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2828640]You do know that this hobby is "pay to play".[/QUOTE]I do off course. However, I read in a previous post, that free version lets you send a few messages. While I can pay, but I do want to test before paying if this works.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828818]The gogo bars don't hire specific body types. You have to do the leg work. In a freelance bar like LA Cafe, there are all types of girls.

I am working on getting all the ladies to say that..[/QUOTE]True about GoGo bars but the plus you can see what you're buying. Bar girls from my experience get down to G-string and possibly topless after a few drinks. Your getting the full Monty before you commit. Regular bars like LA is a shot in the dark when they are dressed. I've tried normal bars a few times, not my cup of tea. Every time there was a problem I could not see, baby damage. Droopy tits. Scars or too many tats. Of course to each his own but the GoGo removes the guess work and they do get medical checks.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2828977]True about GoGo bars but the plus you can see what you're buying. Bar girls from my experience get down to G-string and possibly topless after a few drinks. Your getting the full Monty before you commit. Regular bars like LA is a shot in the dark when they are dressed. I've tried normal bars a few times, not my cup of tea. Every time there was a problem I could not see, baby damage. Droopy tits. Scars or too many tats. Of course to each his own but the GoGo removes the guess work and they do get medical checks.[/QUOTE]Plus you can rapidly sort the wheat from the chaff by asking a mamasan for what you want. They generally do their best to find a girl to fit what ever description that they are given.

The downside is cost. A few beers, lady drinks, barfine plus girl's fee on Burgos will rapidly add up to what an Escort site would charge anyway. Not to mention interviews at several bars before finding Ms Tonight.

While there are no Short Girl bars or Big Boobs bars anymore, within the bars mama's tend to recruit from their area so it's not unusual to find one with a cache of girls from Samar, Leyte or Mindanao etc. Hence, all her girls may have the general look of that area. If Ben seeks out girls from Samar, many of them are cute spinners and keen to please.

Enjoy. G.

Are DNA / RNA tests available in PH?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2828808]I'd expect high volume, high risk testers in the west to be taking advantage of DNA / RNA tests. These dramatically reduce incubation periods and and result response times.

I'm not an authority but I think they are available for most of the problem diseases now.

Not sure if the OP can get access to them if he is still worried.

Of course, they all still only let you know after the horse has bolted.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Swift4;2829063]Are DNA / RNA tests available in PH?[/QUOTE]Yes. Look for PCR or NAAT testing. Note that most urine tests are one of these and that costs vary wildly.

Good luck but remember that I'm not a doc and online isn't the best place for these questions. Call a proper lab for better informed answers.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Revrez;2827608]Hey fellas. Do any of you meet girls on Facebook. What groups or what method do you use to find girls on FB?[/QUOTE]You can also try searching for "pok pok" which is slang for pussy, "legit student" groups which tends to feed young cute girls but at outrageous prices, or just the simple massage groups.

I had much success with massage groups by getting into text with the handler and letting them know I'm looking for "lingam massage" which is an actual therapeutic dick massage but in Manila they will know this means "handjob". The handler will either say yes or no, and a vast majority of times it was "yes, I have a girl for you". I always asked for photos, and they are actual photos. I always asked for age, height, weight. I got plenty of young, cute spinners with braces. I then advised the handler that if she's open to more beyond "lingam", all the better. In almost every case, the handler advised me to work that out with the girl. In almost every case, the girl was quick to tell me, yes, she will fuck, and here's the price. Most were fine with bareback too with a bit more tip. I had 1 girl who asked for a very high amount of money for sex, and I just told her to leave. I contacted the handler and he / she was not happy and immediately found me a girl who would be reasonable. YMMV.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2829719]You can also try searching for "pok pok" which is slang for pussy, "legit student" groups which tends to feed young cute girls but at outrageous prices, or just the simple massage groups..[/QUOTE]I was taught that pokpok refers to a woman who does p4p. Pussy is puki; pekpek refers to the pubic area. (I suspect the site will not allow the p.. word)

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2830696]I was taught that pokpok refers to a woman who does p4p. Pussy is puki; pekpek refers to the pubic area. (I suspect the site will not allow the p.. word)[/QUOTE]Concur with this, pok pok means 'working girl'. P word is filtered, I didn’t put working girl but another word beginning with w.

Interestingly pok pok can also refer to someone as being promiscuous, good to see ho bag etc translates across slang languages.

Have a short layover at NAIA. Any suggestions for a parlor near the airport for a massage and fun. Nuru preferred but not essential.

Jqqmitch is another year-long poster, experienced in Patts, without any descriptive field reports. Just 6 posts, mostly questions. Guessing that JQQ has little intention of providing any feedback or field reports after his trip. Gents feed the troll if you like, but don't expect him to return the favor. Prove me wrong, JQQ. Feel free to PM the gents for some info.

[I]Have a short layover at NAIA. Any suggestions for a parlor near the airport for a massage and fun. Nuru preferred but not essential

Cheers TGT!! Ever feedback on Ruby GC (or any of the other GCs).

Any tips on the most "hands on" agogo? I'm more familiar with pattaya. And whilst I don't expect to find a windmill style. I was hoping to acquaint myself with the more "friendly" of clubs. Any recent recommendations?

Just on massages. For those recent vistoris what is the going rate for extras on top of the massage nowadays? Haven't been to thailand since COVID and even then it's nearly a decade since I have been to Phuket.[/I]

[QUOTE=Jqqmitch;2830737]Have a short layover at NAIA. Any suggestions for a parlor near the airport for a massage and fun. Nuru preferred but not essential.[/QUOTE]Manila Airport Hotel has massage parlor on-site and adjacent bar with take-out girls available. I can't remember the terminal tho.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2830895]Jqqmitch is another year-long poster, experienced in Patts, without any descriptive field reports. Just 6 posts, mostly questions...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2830889]HeyPlzHeplMe has a whopping 8 posts over the past 2 years, almost all questions like this one....[/QUOTE]Westie,

Having a bad day? Looks like someone's Wednesday 10 am didn't show up. 😜.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Take care. G.

[QUOTE=DCups;2830900]Manila Airport Hotel has massage parlor on-site and adjacent bar with take-out girls available. I can't remember the terminal tho.[/QUOTE]At risk of helping a non-team player, you may be referring to the hotel about a block from Terminal One. It's on the right side of the road exiting the terminal. I've stayed there a few times when I arrived late in Manila. It's an easy walk through the parking lot and across the roadway, as long as you dodge traffic. I've been in the adjacent bar, but perhaps jetlag dulled my senses so that I was unaware of the take-out business. Problem now is that few airlines actually arrive into Terminal One anymore.

Landing in Manila later this week. Current plan is to try and get laid exclusively from Tinder and maybe PinaLove with non working girls, will see how it goes and report back here. As I get closer to going I'm starting more and more to think I should have gone to Bangkok but either way hopefully will be fun.

What is the situation regarding COVID jabs etc? Do I need to show any of that to enter the country still or have they moved on?

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2831012]At risk of helping a non-team player, you may be referring to the hotel about a block from Terminal One. It's on the right side of the road exiting the terminal. I've stayed there a few times when I arrived late in Manila. It's an easy walk through the parking lot and across the roadway, as long as you dodge traffic. I've been in the adjacent bar, but perhaps jetlag dulled my senses so that I was unaware of the take-out business. Problem now is that few airlines actually arrive into Terminal One anymore.[/QUOTE]There was / is? A massage shop inside T1 where girls were happy to provide extras. However, it was airside, in the departure area so arranging a take out would be difficult. I'm assuming Jqq is arriving off an international flight and will need to pass throught immigration etc.

[QUOTE=DCups;2830900]Manila Airport Hotel has massage parlor on-site and adjacent bar with take-out girls available. I can't remember the terminal tho.[/QUOTE]Terminal 5?

[QUOTE=Fever77;2831035]Landing in Manila later this week. Current plan is to try and get laid exclusively from Tinder and maybe PinaLove with non working girls, will see how it goes and report back here. As I get closer to going I'm starting more and more to think I should have gone to Bangkok but either way hopefully will be fun.

What is the situation regarding COVID jabs etc? Do I need to show any of that to enter the country still or have they moved on?[/QUOTE]Check with official websites to get up to date information.

Admit to feeling flattered someone would out so much research in.

Hope you're ok.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2831159]There was / is? A massage shop inside T1 where girls were happy to provide extras. However, it was airside, in the departure area so arranging a take out would be difficult. I'm assuming Jqq is arriving off an international flight and will need to pass throught immigration etc.[/QUOTE]Interesting. That would be the Cinderella story if airside at T1. Save me navigating Manila immigration twice.

Will google T1 options.

I was checking flight times to Manila and I found one that's about 18 hours 16 is flight time. Which isn't bad, but when I checked Bangkok, they are all 24 hour minimum with 2 stops. I don't think I can handle that. I'm leaning towards the Philippines for 3 weeks. You think I will have enough to do for that long. I like new construction hotels. Any well known hotels that are less than 5 years old that are girl friendly. Should I book the whole trip at one hotel or leave room for going to islands with a girl for a night. What you guys think. I've been rtff but it's a little overwhelming.

For a first timer does it matter if it's Manila or Angeles city. Are they pretty much the same or is it as different as Rio and SP.

I am travelling soon and have limited time hence would like to get an agency instead of relying on independents via smoochi. Is there a good agency out there. I am only aware of manila courtesans, rest turned up via google search seem like scambait.

Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832154]I was checking flight times to Manila and I found one that's about 18 hours 16 is flight time. Which isn't bad, but when I checked Bangkok, they are all 24 hour minimum with 2 stops. I don't think I can handle that. I'm leaning towards the Philippines for 3 weeks. You think I will have enough to do for that long. I like new construction hotels. Any well known hotels that are less than 5 years old that are girl friendly. Should I book the whole trip at one hotel or leave room for going to islands with a girl for a night. What you guys think. I've been rtff but it's a little overwhelming.[/QUOTE]If you are coming from US yes its brutal. 24 hours is the minimum, sometimes a bit more. Three weeks will be fine. Most do two weeks me included so 3 no problem. But truth be told if your like allot of us no matter how long you stay ,2 days before you leave you'll meet a honey that you do not want to leave. This crap seems to happen every time. Travel is 2 days there and one day back due to the time difference. I did it in 10 days once, all I could get off from work due to a girlfriend in a accident. Whew! That was brutal, but it can be done. If doing 3 weeks I would do condo instead of hotel. Prices are same or sometimes cheaper and in Makati there are plenty. Makati is the best central location to monger of course to each his own. Grammercy Tower, Knightsbridge, JAZZ to name a few. Youll have nice pools, weight room and laundry on site, its just more convenient for stay of that duration. Rooms will be much bigger and I always get separate bedroom with a door which comes in handy with multiple girls or just privacy if one of you wants to sleep. I've never had any issues with guest at condos. Fifty to 75 bucks a night will get you a nice unit. I usually do Grammercy as girls love coming over to pool as its on 36th floor with a killer view. ID booked entire time for condo you'll get a better rate, then travel, less to fool with on your return. Plus you can travel light and leave most crap in room. Just check Airbnb. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832154]I was checking flight times to Manila and I found one that's about 18 hours 16 is flight time. Which isn't bad, but when I checked Bangkok, they are all 24 hour minimum with 2 stops. I don't think I can handle that. I'm leaning towards the Philippines for 3 weeks. You think I will have enough to do for that long. I like new construction hotels. Any well known hotels that are less than 5 years old that are girl friendly. Should I book the whole trip at one hotel or leave room for going to islands with a girl for a night. What you guys think. I've been rtff but it's a little overwhelming.[/QUOTE]Why not mix and match.

PI then to Thai then back to PI.

[QUOTE=Jqqmitch;2831391]Interesting. That would be the Cinderella story if airside at T1. Save me navigating Manila immigration twice.

Will google T1 options.[/QUOTE]Let us know what you find, please, Mitch.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832156]For a first timer does it matter if it's Manila or Angeles city. Are they pretty much the same or is it as different as Rio and SP.[/QUOTE]The selection is better in Manila but AC is cheaper and more compact area.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832154]Should I book the whole trip at one hotel or leave room for going to islands with a girl for a night. What you guys think. I've been rtff but it's a little overwhelming.[/QUOTE]Depends. If you are a big city type of guy, then just book one place after the appropriate amount of research to ensure it fits your needs. However, if you might want to go to the beaches, islands or just try somewhere new, then just book for a few days and extend as you go. It would be rare to not be able to extend or move at short notice unless it's Christmas, Holy week etc.

YMMV but for multi week stays, I prefer AirBnB so that I get a full condo with kitchen, clothes washer etc. Greenbelt is walking distance to a lot of daytime activities and a short taxi to night time fun.

3 weeks is plenty of time to have a very good look around Manila or go see a couple of other areas as well. As I said, depends on what your likes are.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832156]For a first timer does it matter if it's Manila or Angeles city. Are they pretty much the same or is it as different as Rio and SP.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Brazil but Manila and AC are totally different areas:

Many things to do in Manila during the day. AC is boring as hell.

Manila has nice hotels, eateries etc AC facilities will keep you alive and that's about all.

You can walk the entire length of ACs red light area in an hour. In Manila, red light areas are scattered around town and girls can easily be in traffic for 3 hours just to get to you.

True stunners, both pro and civilian, naturally gravitate to where the money is, Manila.

Most guys admit to being bored of AC after 3 or 4 days. You could spend a lifetime in Manila and not scratch the surface.

Like for like, AC is 10-20% cheaper. A high end night out in Manila can get far more expensive than AC.

Notwithstanding the above, both AC and Manila have dirt cheap girl, food, hotel etc options.

With three weeks available, most newbies would try both.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2832241]I haven't been to Brazil but Manila and AC are totally different areas:

Many things to do in Manila during the day. AC is boring as hell.

Manila has nice hotels, eateries etc AC facilities will keep you alive and that's about all.

You can walk the entire length of ACs red light area in an hour. In Manila, red light areas are scattered around town and girls can easily be in traffic for 3 hours just to get to you.

True stunners, both pro and civilian, naturally gravitate to where the money is, Manila.

Most guys admit to being bored of AC after 3 or 4 days. You could spend a lifetime in Manila and not scratch the surface.

Like for like, AC is 10-20% cheaper. A high end night out in Manila can get far more expensive than AC.

Notwithstanding the above, both AC and Manila have dirt cheap girl, food, hotel etc options.

With three weeks available, most newbies would try both.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I agree with this assessment. Manila is a big city with all the pros and cons of a big city. For Westerners, Angeles City is just one main street with a few small side streets with bars filled with available girls and not much else to do. Drinking and whoring is all you will do in Angeles City. Now, for some, that is enough. Three weeks in Angeles City is a bit too much for me only because I have been there a few times and I would like to try to do other things. Well, there is not a lot of other things to do in Angeles City.

Thanks Mr G.

Appreciate always your perspective.

My post pandemic trip will bring. Me. Close, even beyond for diving.

Look. Forward to Manila, AC and Subic.

Victor.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2832241]I haven't been to Brazil but Manila and AC are totally different areas:

Many things to do in Manila during the day. AC is boring as hell.

Manila has nice hotels, eateries etc AC facilities will keep you alive and that's about all.

You can walk the entire length of ACs red light area in an hour. In Manila, red light areas are scattered around town and girls can easily be in traffic for 3 hours just to get to you.

True stunners, both pro and civilian, naturally gravitate to where the money is, Manila.

Most guys admit to being bored of AC after 3 or 4 days. You could spend a lifetime in Manila and not scratch the surface.

Like for like, AC is 10-20% cheaper. A high end night out in Manila can get far more expensive than AC.

Notwithstanding the above, both AC and Manila have dirt cheap girl, food, hotel etc options.

With three weeks available, most newbies would try both.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2832242]Drinking and whoring is all you will do in Angeles City. Now, for some, that is enough. Three weeks in Angeles City is a bit too much for me only because I have been there a few times and I would like to try to do other things. Well, there is not a lot of other things to do in Angeles City.[/QUOTE]Tj, or anyone else interested, can search this forum. There have been a few posts over the years of non-mongering or daytime things to do in AC.

I can't comment because I'm with Moonshot: I only go there for one reason.

Enjoy. G.

I think I will cut it to 2 weeks. Seems like 3 weeks might be too much.

You guys have any problems mixing up regular girls with hookers, or do you not want to bother with regular girls. I'm hoping with no major language barrier, I will do better in person or apps. Brazilian hookers tell me I'm gorgeous and have a big penis. Why would they lie.

Landed in Manila on Sunday afternoon.

Went out that night for what was supposed to be a few quiet drinks and ended up in Secret Door (I think its called that) as I was trying to avoid bars swarming with pros. It was actually very lively and I stayed to about 6 am, the beers are so cheap here and met some cool people.

Had a non-pro girl approach me acting very flirty but she was completely hammered to the point I didn't want to do anything with her and told her to get a taxi when she was asking to come back to my place.

Monday I met a girl from tinder, had some food and went back to hers and did the deed.

Today met another girl from tinder in the afternoon and did the deed at my place.

The attention I get on Tinder here is another level from anywhere else I have been, I can put in minimal effort into conversations and multiple girls asking to meet. So far I am enjoying the country a lot, just need to try and find some more bars that aren't 'working girl' bars because I'm not really one to bang a hooker or pay for lady drinks.

Also might try a massage parlour as I do like a massage but from what I am seeing it seems most massage places don't offer happy ending or the ones that do are just outcall services and not proper massage.

All in all, Manila is fun.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832610]You guys have any problems mixing up regular girls with hookers, or do you not want to bother with regular girls.[/QUOTE]I gave up the mixing option long ago when time was short, such as yours. Point and shoot pro options: gogo bars, SW, FL (ie LA Cafe or Robinson's mall girls), or escort services might be the better / faster / easier call on an initial trip. Later, if you like the place, you can plan a longer trip, try dating site girls and such (and fall back to your previous fav haunts for point / shoot when needed).

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832610]I think I will cut it to 2 weeks. Seems like 3 weeks might be too much.

You guys have any problems mixing up regular girls with hookers, or do you not want to bother with regular girls. I'm hoping with no major language barrier, I will do better in person or apps. Brazilian hookers tell me I'm gorgeous and have a big penis. Why would they lie.[/QUOTE]Then all you have to do is walk down EDSA Blvd swinging your schlong dong and get all the pussy you want. Blonde hair and blue eyes even better. No language barriers then.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2832670]I gave up the mixing option long ago when time was short, such as yours. Point and shoot pro options: gogo bars, SW, FL (ie LA Cafe or Robinson's mall girls), or escort services might be the better / faster / easier call on an initial trip. Later, if you like the place, you can plan a longer trip, try dating site girls and such (and fall back to your previous fav haunts for point / shoot when needed).[/QUOTE]The malls have hookers too? I thought they were all regular girls. My plan was malls for regular girls and take them to the palace pool club I saw on you tube. It looks rad. I figure they won't say no to that. Elaborate please on the malls. Am I being naive that they are all innocent hotties working the counters and restaurants.

I been to travel once, the girls quality is awesome. You will never find women like Brazil in any part of the world period.

In Philippines you might like or instantly regret and miss Brazil.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832610]I think I will cut it to 2 weeks. Seems like 3 weeks might be too much.

You guys have any problems mixing up regular girls with hookers, or do you not want to bother with regular girls. I'm hoping with no major language barrier, I will do better in person or apps. Brazilian hookers tell me I'm gorgeous and have a big penis. Why would they lie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832696]The malls have hookers too? [/QUOTE]Gents, this indicates a failure to RTTF. Covid really effed up ISG. For two years there was such a lack of reporting here, that its now difficult to tell newbs to RTTF for basic information that we've covered routinely for a decade or more (Robinson's Place mall in Malate, and previously Harrison's Plaza / Pasay). As they weren't coming here during Covid, the gents stopped reading the board. Not enough of us returned after Covid to report on such.

To be more clear, TjB. The malls generally don't have hookers (you extrapolated). However Robinson's Place Mall in Malate has FL in two different locations (one inside the mall, and one outside), all of which has been covered, even this year, so RTTF.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832696]I thought they were all regular girls. My plan was malls for regular girls and take them to the palace pool club I saw on you tube. It looks rad. I figure they won't say no to that. Elaborate please on the malls. Am I being naive that they are all innocent hotties working the counters and restaurants.[/QUOTE]You are being naive. Its real hit / miss. Please contact me in PM.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2832670]I gave up the mixing option long ago when time was short, such as yours. Point and shoot pro options: gogo bars, SW, FL (ie LA Cafe or Robinson's mall girls), or escort services might be the better / faster / easier call on an initial trip. Later, if you like the place, you can plan a longer trip, try dating site girls and such (and fall back to your previous fav haunts for point / shoot when needed).[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if Tj was talking about fucking both groups at the same time or mistaking one for the other.

I'd agree that's it's best not to confuse the two for newbies or weekend warriors

Good girls will tolerate some roaming as long as it's not in her face or embarassing her in front of her friends and family. Note that Asian social circles are huge so it's not a good idea to shit in one's own back yard.

I've certainly had 'taxi fare' refused and even been abused after offering the wrong girl money in the morning. At the other end, several have pretended that butter wouldn't melt in their mouth only to point out that the relationship needs to be mutually beneficial.

Enjoy. G.

I was talking mixing as in pick up a regular girl and take her out clubbing at some of the better clubs. Next night go down to the red light district and bang a couple hos on site or at hotel. Since they speak English it seems more doable. I have been reading the forums but missed that part about the mall having hookers. Anyway, I've been watching a lot of you tube videos from global seducer. He says for regular girls: malls, Rizal park, Royal club, Rebel club, Palace pool club, and if you are really brazen the university of Manila. Seems weird to run around the college hitting on girls. You guys have success with that.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2832666]Landed in Manila on Sunday afternoon.

Went out that night for what was supposed to be a few quiet drinks and ended up in Secret Door (I think its called that) as I was trying to avoid bars swarming with pros. It was actually very lively and I stayed to about 6 am, the beers are so cheap here and met some cool people.

Had a non-pro girl approach me acting very flirty but she was completely hammered to the point I didn't want to do anything with her and told her to get a taxi when she was asking to come back to my place.

Monday I met a girl from tinder, had some food and went back to hers and did the deed.

Today met another girl from tinder in the afternoon and did the deed at my place.

The attention I get on Tinder here is another level from anywhere else I have been, I can put in minimal effort into conversations and multiple girls asking to meet. So far I am enjoying the country a lot, just need to try and find some more bars that aren't 'working girl' bars because I'm not really one to bang a hooker or pay for lady drinks..[/QUOTE]Are the tinder girls hinting at money in any way like shopping or money on the dresser, or have they all been 100% non pros. How has tinder been compared to Filipino Cupid. Which do you like better.

How do you guys like Cebu. Should I do a week in Manila and a week in Cebu.

Hi F77,

Happy for you for great contacts.

Would your success be. Due to:

1. Your ave / good looks?

2. Not saving funds to spend on them during date?

3. specific age range?

Thanks,

Victor.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2832666]Landed in Manila on Sunday afternoon.

Went out that night for what was supposed to be a few quiet drinks and ended up in Secret Door (I think its called that) as I was trying to avoid bars swarming with pros. It was actually very lively and I stayed to about 6 am, the beers are so cheap here and met some cool people.

Had a non-pro girl approach me acting very flirty but she was completely hammered to the point I didn't want to do anything with her and told her to get a taxi when she was asking to come back to my place.

Monday I met a girl from tinder, had some food and went back to hers and did the deed.

Today met another girl from tinder in the afternoon and did the deed at my place.

The attention I get on Tinder here is another level from anywhere else I have been, I can put in minimal effort into conversations and multiple girls asking to meet. So far I am enjoying the country a lot, just need to try and find some more bars that aren't 'working girl' bars because I'm not really one to bang a hooker or pay for lady drinks.

Also might try a massage parlour as I do like a massage but from what I am seeing it seems most massage places don't offer happy ending or the ones that do are just outcall services and not proper massage.

All in all, Manila is fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832787]Are the tinder girls hinting at money in any way like shopping or money on the dresser, or have they all been 100% non pros. How has tinder been compared to Filipino Cupid. Which do you like better.[/QUOTE]I've had a couple of matches like that but I just end the convo and move on, there is a lot of normal girls here. I would just expect to pay for the drinks / coffee when we meet before going back to my place / her place but so far the girls I have actually met there is no expectation of paying for sex either with money or shopping.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2832863]Hi F77,

Happy for you for great contacts.

Would your success be. Due to:

1. Your ave / good looks?

2. Not saving funds to spend on them during date?

3. specific age range?

Thanks,

Victor.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I am not 'good looking' by standards of other countries but I am white, tall and young which seems to be in my favour here.

I had switched my Tinder location to Manila about 2 weeks before I came and paid for a few boosts so as to line up some potential meets before I came.

I Am trying to subscribe to Pinalove. However, my credit card payment is not going through. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Fever77;2832666]So far I am enjoying the country a lot, just need to try and find some more bars that aren't 'working girl' bars because I'm not really one to bang a hooker or pay for lady drinks.
[/QUOTE]Give either Sanctuary in Poblacion a try or Dr Wine in BGC. If you've got decent game, or mediocre game but a wallet big enough for their drinks, normal hot girls will be all over you. A lot of instagramming uni students at Sanctuary on Thursday nights.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2832973]Give either Sanctuary in Poblacion a try or Dr Wine in BGC. If you've got decent game, or mediocre game but a wallet big enough for their drinks, normal hot girls will be all over you. A lot of instagramming uni students at Sanctuary on Thursday nights.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out tomorrow.

Hi,

I wonder if you might better profit from Manila / Angeles or Cebu / Negros?

Victor.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832798]How do you guys like Cebu. Should I do a week in Manila and a week in Cebu.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2832973]Give either Sanctuary in Poblacion a try or Dr Wine in BGC. If you've got decent game, or mediocre game but a wallet big enough for their drinks, normal hot girls will be all over you. A lot of instagramming uni students at Sanctuary on Thursday nights.[/QUOTE]HaHaHaHaHa. So you want pussy and not have to pay anything. You remind me of a friend I have in US that won't visit me in Asia because he don't want to buy girls drinks, barfine and pay the girl. He has girlfriend here and she wanted boots which he bought $700. I said see, pussy cost money, no matter where you are. Oh that's different, no $700 is 700 dollars how you choose to give it to them is your business. If anyone does know of a place for free pussy, please share that with all of us here. In my 4 decades of travel, I have yet to find it.

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2832965]I Am trying to subscribe to Pinalove. However, my credit card payment is not going through. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Call your CC.

I went through Filipino Cupid and to be honest I'm not seeing a bunch of lookers. Are the website girls less attractive than the regular girls walking around. I want something that looks close to this. Am I dreaming: [URL]https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ev0fx2O7gFU[/URL].

Many of us old-guard have Private Message function, you should use it for general questions.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2833023]I went through Filipino Cupid and to be honest I'm not seeing a bunch of lookers. Are the website girls less attractive than the regular girls walking around. I want something that looks close to this. Am I dreaming: [URL]https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ev0fx2O7gFU[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832798]How do you guys like Cebu. Should I do a week in Manila and a week in Cebu.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832787]Are the tinder girls hinting at money in any way like shopping or money on the dresser, or have they all been 100% non pros. How has tinder been compared to Filipino Cupid. Which do you like better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832696]The malls have hookers too? Am I being naive that they are all innocent hotties working the counters and restaurants.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832610]You guys have any problems mixing up regular girls with hookers, or do you not want to bother with regular girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832156]For a first timer does it matter if it's Manila or Angeles city. Are they pretty much the same Should I book the whole trip at one hotel or leave room for going to islands with a girl for a night. What you guys think. I've been rtff but it's a little overwhelming.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832129]What percentage of Filipinos have dd natural when you're walking around or going to the bars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2833023]I went through Filipino Cupid and to be honest I'm not seeing a bunch of lookers. Are the website girls less attractive than the regular girls walking around. I want something that looks close to this. Am I dreaming: [URL]https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ev0fx2O7gFU[/URL].[/QUOTE]Not dreaming. She just married a foreigner (British) so that she could get a visa to Dubai. So you're in with a chance. I'm sure she's open to offers for quickies when he's away on business. She'd probably expensive though and wants at least 4 k. Drop her a line on IG and let us know how you go.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2833076]Many of us old-guard have Private Message function, you should use it for general questions.[/QUOTE]Looks like it worked. 😜.

WestCoast1 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2833194]Not dreaming. She just married a foreigner (British) so that she could get a visa to Dubai. So you're in with a chance. I'm sure she's open to offers for quickies when he's away on business. She'd probably expensive though and wants at least 4 k. Drop her a line on IG and let us know how you go.[/QUOTE]She has 14 million followers. I'm sure she isn't for sale. LOL. She is exactly my type tho. I hope I can get close when I arrive.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2833194]Not dreaming. She just married a foreigner (British) so that she could get a visa to Dubai. So you're in with a chance. I'm sure she's open to offers for quickies when he's away on business. She'd probably expensive though and wants at least 4 k. Drop her a line on IG and let us know how you go.[/QUOTE]Found a better vid of Pia strutting her stuff in bikini at the M Universe:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nH4kXCupeo[/URL]

She's jussssst a tad out of my league.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2833196]Looks like it worked. 😜.

WestCoast1 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.[/QUOTE]Dang that Westy guy. Klaro!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2833211]Found a better vid of Pia strutting her stuff in bikini at the M Universe:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nH4kXCupeo[/URL]

She's jussssst a tad out of my league.[/QUOTE]You're doing gods work. Thank you.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2833204]She has 14 million followers. I'm sure she isn't for sale. LOL. She is exactly my type tho. I hope I can get close when I arrive.[/QUOTE]I'm hoping you recognised my original post as a joke. 😜.

In all seriousness, your not going to find tall, statuesque and big titties amongst Tondo, Samar or Lyete waifs. That's the reason I'm a Mindanao fanboi.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2833211]Found a better vid of Pia strutting her stuff in bikini at the M Universe:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nH4kXCupeo[/URL]

She's jussssst a tad out of my league.[/QUOTE]We can live in hope. Or perhaps it's delusion. 😍.

I always thought she had boltons but those are jiggling in all the right ways. 👍.

A bad night at the office. Keen to hear some thoughts on whether I was right or wrong.

Not sure if this is even the right content for this forum given what it is geared towards but I will post anyway and if you feel it's not suitable as it's not technically mongering (but is related) please let me know and I'll refrain from posting similar.

TL; DR. Met girl on Wednesday night in Secret Door, took her number, went out today, spent a lot on food+drink, came to realisation she's almost defo a hooker. Asked her about it, she got upset, now 5000 pesos down and feeling like a f*cking moron.

For some background, I have banged 3 girls since being in Manila, all met via Tinder and paid very, very little in terms of a couple of (non-lady) drinks or some food. Like 1000 pesos or less on a quick date then back to the bedroom. Then today I lost my mind and paid 5000+ to bang nothing.

On Wednesday night I wasn't feeling in the mood for a date and decided to hit the streets alone to get drunk. Ended up meeting a bunch of people (guys + gals) including 2 local girls, neither of whom looked or acted like hookers in my limited experience, just seemed like two genuine girls out on their day off. One of them is 10000% not a hooker, obviously I ended up cracking on with the other one. Got on really well with both, took the number of the one I spoke to the most as the other had a boyfriend. We partied from probably 2 am-8 am and at no point did either of them try and come onto someone or make any moves like they were a hooker. The bar we were in does not seem to have working girls either.

Today (Thursday) rolls around and she messages asking how I'm doing, some brief small talk and she says she's going to the movies with the same friend and I'm welcome to tag along. Again, I had no plans for Thursday night as a Tinder date fell through so decided to go for it. I insisted on paying for their movie tickets because I was grateful they invited me, they tried to pay but I refused (dumbass).

Finish the movie, I said lets go for some drinks. I was starting to really like the one girl and was getting some slight flirting from her, thought I was in and decided to hang around. Anyway some drinks turned into a lot, I spent probably 5000 pesos maybe more including the cinema tickets, we kept ordering drinks and shisha and I couldn't bring myself to ask them to pay for them, they paid for maybe 2 rounds in fairness.

Maybe it was the drink or maybe I was right but all of a sudden it hit me.

This girl has a whatsapp pic of her in laungerie, a WhatsApp business account (under the label nail salon), she seems to know SO many people in the bars but says she doesn't drink often, our conversation's weren't flowing as naturally as hers were with other people yet she still seemed interested in me.

I came to the conclusion she was a hooker. I decided I was done paying for drinks on top of potentially paying for sex and felt annoyed she hadn't mentioned she was a brass beforehand so wasn't even going to consider paying her for sex on principle (LOL). I made some weak excuse and left the bar to go home feeling like an idiot.

About an hour later the curiosity got the better of me and I decided to WhatsApp her and ask if she was a hooker which she did not take kindly to and said things such as 'you think you're such a high and mighty foreigner', 'I really liked you' 'I feel sad now that you felt this way', 'I have my own money' blah blah. She sent me a TONNE of pictures falling into the following two categories: nail related pics such as her working in a salon, finished nails etc. Then pics of her basically flexing cash like you see rappers do with big bundles of 1000 peso notes to prove she has her own money.

All the sh*t a hooker would probably say but I don't know. I hung out with her for like 6+ hours the first night with 0 hint she was a hooker or her coming onto me, and even second night she never really did anything to confirm she is. So I actually do not know if I made the right call or not. I did like her, she is very cute and quite subtly sexy but I've blown that one now.

Either way, I spent 5000+ pesos to have 0 sex.

I'll chalk it up to being young and f*cking retarded. Next time I'll just bang a fucking brass before I pay 5000+ pesos on drinks.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2832886]Hi,

I am not 'good looking' by standards of other countries but I am white, tall and young which seems to be in my favour here.

I had switched my Tinder location to Manila about 2 weeks before I came and paid for a few boosts so as to line up some potential meets before I came.[/QUOTE]Hello lad, I am thinking of trying the philippines early next year (I already have a trip planned to another location this year).

May you specify what you mean by being young? Early 20? Late 20? Mid 30?

Also what was roughly the average age of the girls you got out of tinder?

Thanks for your time, cheers.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2833211]Found a better vid of Pia strutting her stuff in bikini at the M Universe:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nH4kXCupeo[/URL]

She's jussssst a tad out of my league.[/QUOTE]Yowza! Thanks, Westie. She about as perfect as it gets. Man, I gotsta get my ass to Davao sometime, G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2833304]I always thought she had boltons but those are jiggling in all the right ways. 👍.[/QUOTE]Really? I hadn't noticed till you mentioned it. Smile.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2833304]We can live in hope. Or perhaps it's delusion. 😍.

I always thought she had boltons but those are jiggling in all the right ways. 👍.[/QUOTE]Nothing fake about those. I'm an expert on natural boobs. I didn't graduate medical school but I'm at that level of knowledge.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2833211]Found a better vid of Pia strutting her stuff in bikini at the M Universe:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nH4kXCupeo[/URL]

She's jussssst a tad out of my league.[/QUOTE]The guy who mapped the human genome once said we would one day be able to manipulate genes to make all women beautiful. The reporter said that was immoral to do. Being a OG that he was, he said why shouldn't all women be beautiful.

You hit the lottery which girl you picking: pia or this girl. [URL]https://cheezburger.com/2619427328[/URL].

[QUOTE=Resler91;2833326]Hello lad, I am thinking of trying the philippines early next year (I already have a trip planned to another location this year).

May you specify what you mean by being young? Early 20? Late 20? Mid 30?

Also what was roughly the average age of the girls you got out of tinder?

Thanks for your time, cheers.[/QUOTE]I'm mid 20's, girls have been in their 20's, average probably 22/23.

Philippines is a very fun place so far for me, very different to anywhere I have been before.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833313]A bad night at the office. Keen to hear some thoughts on whether I was right or wrong.

[/QUOTE]Nice stories.

For the first, we all have had sunk costs that were unable to be recovered. Just treat it as a cost of doing business and move on.

For the second, give her a call and apologise and see if she will meet again. Hooker or not, angry makeup sex is always fun.

Enjoy. G.

My advise, next time even if you are feeling she is a pro, don't ask or say this to her. If you do, one you 'll end up ruining any chances you had if any. Second, she will think you are naive, don't understand things and don't have the eye to identify one, high chances she may count you as a loser. If you feel she is a pro, just keep it to yourself and ask her for an intimate evening by offering her gifts. I had plenty of hot girls and still do. They are pro but will not admit and not take cash. Perfumes / dress / gifts will do and you can bang them any which way. Some girls don't want to admit or want to accept cash as a reward. As for your money is concerned 5000 pesos, its nothing, you gain experience. You'll become a master when you have experience and alot of that comes from mistakes like these. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833313]A bad night at the office. Keen to hear some thoughts on whether I was right or wrong.

Not sure if this is even the right content for this forum given what it is geared towards but I will post anyway and if you feel it's not suitable as it's not technically mongering (but is related) please let me know and I'll refrain from posting similar.

TL; DR. Met girl on Wednesday night in Secret Door, took her number, went out today, spent a lot on food+drink, came to realisation she's almost defo a hooker. Asked her about it, she got upset, now 5000 pesos down and feeling like a f*cking moron.

For some background, I have banged 3 girls since being in Manila, all met via Tinder and paid very, very little in terms of a couple of (non-lady) drinks or some food. Like 1000 pesos or less on a quick date then back to the bedroom. Then today I lost my mind and paid 5000+ to bang nothing.

On Wednesday night I wasn't feeling in the mood for a date and decided to hit the streets alone to get drunk. Ended up meeting a bunch of people (guys + gals) including 2 local girls, neither of whom looked or acted like hookers in my limited experience, just seemed like two genuine girls out on their day off. One of them is 10000% not a hooker, obviously I ended up cracking on with the other one. Got on really well with both, took the number of the one I spoke to the most as the other had a boyfriend. We partied from probably 2 am-8 am and at no point did either of them try and come onto someone or make any moves like they were a hooker. The bar we were in does not seem to have working girls either.

Today (Thursday) rolls around and she messages asking how I'm doing, some brief small talk and she says she's going to the movies with the same friend and I'm welcome to tag along. Again, I had no plans for Thursday night as a Tinder date fell through so decided to go for it. I insisted on paying for their movie tickets because I was grateful they invited me, they tried to pay but I refused (dumbass).

Finish the movie, I said lets go for some drinks. I was starting to really like the one girl and was getting some slight flirting from her, thought I was in and decided to hang around. Anyway some drinks turned into a lot, I spent probably 5000 pesos maybe more including the cinema tickets, we kept ordering drinks and shisha and I couldn't bring myself to ask them to pay for them, they paid for maybe 2 rounds in fairness.

Maybe it was the drink or maybe I was right but all of a sudden it hit me.

This girl has a whatsapp pic of her in laungerie, a WhatsApp business account (under the label nail salon), she seems to know SO many people in the bars but says she doesn't drink often, our conversation's weren't flowing as naturally as hers were with other people yet she still seemed interested in me.

I came to the conclusion she was a hooker. I decided I was done paying for drinks on top of potentially paying for sex and felt annoyed she hadn't mentioned she was a brass beforehand so wasn't even going to consider paying her for sex on principle (LOL). I made some weak excuse and left the bar to go home feeling like an idiot.

About an hour later the curiosity got the better of me and I decided to WhatsApp her and ask if she was a hooker which she did not take kindly to and said things such as 'you think you're such a high and mighty foreigner', 'I really liked you' 'I feel sad now that you felt this way', 'I have my own money' blah blah. She sent me a TONNE of pictures falling into the following two categories: nail related pics such as her working in a salon, finished nails etc. Then pics of her basically flexing cash like you see rappers do with big bundles of 1000 peso notes to prove she has her own money.

All the sh*t a hooker would probably say but I don't know. I hung out with her for like 6+ hours the first night with 0 hint she was a hooker or her coming onto me, and even second night she never really did anything to confirm she is. So I actually do not know if I made the right call or not. I did like her, she is very cute and quite subtly sexy but I've blown that one now.

Either way, I spent 5000+ pesos to have 0 sex.

I'll chalk it up to being young and f*cking retarded. Next time I'll just bang a fucking brass before I pay 5000+ pesos on drinks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833313]A bad night at the office. Keen to hear some thoughts on whether I was right or wrong.

Not sure if this is even the right content for this forum given what it is geared towards but I will post anyway and if you feel it's not suitable as it's not technically mongering (but is related) please let me know and I'll refrain from posting similar.

TL; DR. Met girl on Wednesday night in Secret Door, took her number, went out today, spent a lot on food+drink, came to realisation she's almost defo a hooker. Asked her about it, she got upset, now 5000 pesos down and feeling like a f*cking moron.

For some background, I have banged 3 girls since being in Manila, all met via Tinder and paid very, very little in terms of a couple of (non-lady) drinks or some food. Like 1000 pesos or less on a quick date then back to the bedroom. Then today I lost my mind and paid 5000+ to bang nothing.

On Wednesday night I wasn't feeling in the mood for a date and decided to hit the streets alone to get drunk. Ended up meeting a bunch of people (guys + gals) including 2 local girls, neither of whom looked or acted like hookers in my limited experience, just seemed like two genuine girls out on their day off. One of them is 10000% not a hooker, obviously I ended up cracking on with the other one. Got on really well with both, took the number of the one I spoke to the most as the other had a boyfriend. We partied from probably 2 am-8 am and at no point did either of them try and come onto someone or make any moves like they were a hooker. The bar we were in does not seem to have working girls either.

Today (Thursday) rolls around and she messages asking how I'm doing, some brief small talk and she says she's going to the movies with the same friend and I'm welcome to tag along. Again, I had no plans for Thursday night as a Tinder date fell through so decided to go for it. I insisted on paying for their movie tickets because I was grateful they invited me, they tried to pay but I refused (dumbass).

Finish the movie, I said lets go for some drinks. I was starting to really like the one girl and was getting some slight flirting from her, thought I was in and decided to hang around. Anyway some drinks turned into a lot, I spent probably 5000 pesos maybe more including the cinema tickets, we kept ordering drinks and shisha and I couldn't bring myself to ask them to pay for them, they paid for maybe 2 rounds in fairness.

Maybe it was the drink or maybe I was right but all of a sudden it hit me.

This girl has a whatsapp pic of her in laungerie, a WhatsApp business account (under the label nail salon), she seems to know SO many people in the bars but says she doesn't drink often, our conversation's weren't flowing as naturally as hers were with other people yet she still seemed interested in me.

I came to the conclusion she was a hooker. I decided I was done paying for drinks on top of potentially paying for sex and felt annoyed she hadn't mentioned she was a brass beforehand so wasn't even going to consider paying her for sex on principle (LOL). I made some weak excuse and left the bar to go home feeling like an idiot.

About an hour later the curiosity got the better of me and I decided to WhatsApp her and ask if she was a hooker which she did not take kindly to and said things such as 'you think you're such a high and mighty foreigner', 'I really liked you' 'I feel sad now that you felt this way', 'I have my own money' blah blah. She sent me a TONNE of pictures falling into the following two categories: nail related pics such as her working in a salon, finished nails etc. Then pics of her basically flexing cash like you see rappers do with big bundles of 1000 peso notes to prove she has her own money.

All the sh*t a hooker would probably say but I don't know. I hung out with her for like 6+ hours the first night with 0 hint she was a hooker or her coming onto me, and even second night she never really did anything to confirm she is. So I actually do not know if I made the right call or not. I did like her, she is very cute and quite subtly sexy but I've blown that one now.

Either way, I spent 5000+ pesos to have 0 sex.

I'll chalk it up to being young and f*cking retarded. Next time I'll just bang a fucking brass before I pay 5000+ pesos on drinks.[/QUOTE]Hey dude, there is only one way to know if she was a hooker. She asks you for money to have sex with her. Did you kiss her during the night. Did you get handsy with each other. If you were then she wasn't a hooker unless she asks for money for sex. This ain't rocket science.

I will be staying in malate, so I watched a bunch of YT videos on the rld there. They had a bunch of KTV bars. Plenty of attractive girls. I googled KTV bars and found out these girls are not hookers, or am I wrong on this. You just pay them to drink with you and maybe fondle them. Can you guys elaborate on what the KTV bars in malate are. Are there showers and rooms. I hope it's not just a karaoke place.

Went to Abacca spa for a massage, massages are my guilty pleasure.

This was the only place I could find that isn't outcall and is definitely offering a happy ending.

Building itself is hard to find and fairly rundown, security guy say outside will show you its on the 2nd floor.

Paid 2000 pesos for a lingnam massage from 2 girls and really enjoyed it, not the hardest massage ever though they said they were holding back but enjoyable technique and a very happy ending after a lot of teasing. Only bad thing is the place is curtains rather then separate rooms but couldn't hear much of anything outside of some slaps on the back from other rooms.

I went in with the assumption I should tip them the same 2000 pesos as I paid for the massage but at no point did they hint towards money or ask for a tip so I just left, kinda feel like I should have tipped tbh, not sure if its the norm here?

Either way enjoyed it a lot.

Thanks for the answer Fever, I have currently booked a trip to Thailand (one of many) as it's a very nice destination for meeting a mix of civilians + pros, now I really wish I gave ph a chance to change things up, I will certainly visit in the future.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833313]I'll chalk it up to being young and f*cking retarded. Next time I'll just bang a fucking brass before I pay 5000+ pesos on drinks.[/QUOTE]Thoroughly enjoyed the report, honestly the damage done is time if you have limited time, otherwise 5000 pesos is really nothing at the end of a day considered the experience gained.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833313]A bad night at the office. Keen to hear some thoughts on whether I was right or wrong.

Not sure if this is even the right content for this forum given what it is geared towards but I will post anyway and if you feel it's not suitable as it's not technically mongering (but is related) please let me know and I'll refrain from posting similar.

TL; DR. Met girl on Wednesday night in Secret Door, took her number, went out today, spent a lot on food+drink, came to realisation she's almost defo a hooker. Asked her about it, she got upset, now 5000 pesos down and feeling like a f*cking moron.

For some background, I have banged 3 girls since being in Manila, all met via Tinder and paid very, very little in terms of a couple of (non-lady) drinks or some food. Like 1000 pesos or less on a quick date then back to the bedroom. Then today I lost my mind and paid 5000+ to bang nothing.

On Wednesday night I wasn't feeling in the mood for a date and decided to hit the streets alone to get drunk. Ended up meeting a bunch of people (guys + gals) including 2 local girls, neither of whom looked or acted like hookers in my limited experience, just seemed like two genuine girls out on their day off. One of them is 10000% not a hooker, obviously I ended up cracking on with the other one. Got on really well with both, took the number of the one I spoke to the most as the other had a boyfriend. We partied from probably 2 am-8 am and at no point did either of them try and come onto someone or make any moves like they were a hooker. The bar we were in does not seem to have working girls either..[/QUOTE]5 k pesos is 90 dollars. I blow that at red lobster. It's nothing.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833499]

I went in with the assumption I should tip them the same 2000 pesos as I paid for the massage but at no point did they hint towards money or ask for a tip so I just left, kinda feel like I should have tipped tbh, not sure if its the norm here?

Either way enjoyed it a lot.[/QUOTE]Any spa charging in the '000's for a massage will have the girl's cut included in the price, including the extras. If your really satisfied, you could leave a couple of hundred as a tip but thousands and you would be seen as a gullible newbie.

A spa that charges in the '00's will just be for the basic massage. It could very well be a very good massage. Any extras will be a direct negotiation between client and provider. My rule of thumb is that a HJ costs the same as the massage. No tip is required above the agreed price.

Enjoy. G.

I am staying in Alabang at a hotel for 2 nights next week and have a tight schedule. Therefore going into the city won't work. I have not been back to the Philippines for 4 years and didn't use escorts yet (LA Cafe, Greenbelt Mall and Burgos Bars in previous years).

Is Smooci the best option? Any other agency you can recommend? Also on Smooci are Independents better or are agency's ok as well. I plan to get the 3 day plan on Smooci to see the reviews.

Any other recommendations in Alabang? I prefer my hotel room and like to sleep alone afterwards. So 2-4 hours are best.

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Martin39;2833680]I am staying in Alabang at a hotel for 2 nights next week and have a tight schedule. Therefore going into the city won't work. I have not been back to the Philippines for 4 years and didn't use escorts yet (LA Cafe, Greenbelt Mall and Burgos Bars in previous years).

Is Smooci the best option? Any other agency you can recommend? Also on Smooci are Independents better or are agency's ok as well. I plan to get the 3 day plan on Smooci to see the reviews.

Any other recommendations in Alabang? I prefer my hotel room and like to sleep alone afterwards. So 2-4 hours are best.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Yep. Smooci is a great option (at least was 4 years ago). It was fairly straightforward but make sure you give them time to show up given Metro manila traffic can be crappy I will also suggest book for 2 hours and then you can always extend / negotiate with lesser peso value than what they have at the website. Last time when I was there, the one that I got from smooci just stayed with me through the evening and into next day. We didn't even talk prices and she was happy with just being there. I gave her like an additional 3000 pesos for the day she stayed and she was super happy.

Right on bro!

I always found it funny that mall freelancer always offer massage when you approach them. I reply by saying I don't want massage. I want to fuck. Get to the point! I line that works well is. Baby, your mouth looks so warm. LOL.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2833493]My advise, next time even if you are feeling she is a pro, don't ask or say this to her. If you do, one you 'll end up ruining any chances you had if any. Second, she will think you are naive, don't understand things and don't have the eye to identify one, high chances she may count you as a loser. If you feel she is a pro, just keep it to yourself and ask her for an intimate evening by offering her gifts. I had plenty of hot girls and still do. They are pro but will not admit and not take cash. Perfumes / dress / gifts will do and you can bang them any which way. Some girls don't want to admit or want to accept cash as a reward. As for your money is concerned 5000 pesos, its nothing, you gain experience. You'll become a master when you have experience and alot of that comes from mistakes like these. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

You can be ugly AF, but since you are white you will get a lot of flip pussy! White privilege has its perks LOL.

[QUOTE=Resler91;2833326]Hello lad, I am thinking of trying the philippines early next year (I already have a trip planned to another location this year).

May you specify what you mean by being young? Early 20? Late 20? Mid 30?

Also what was roughly the average age of the girls you got out of tinder?

Thanks for your time, cheers.[/QUOTE]

Hello Fellas!

I have RTFF, but have a real tight question and hoping someone here might share their knowledge. I am only in Manila for a night. (Staying near the airport). Have never been to the Philippines, so I am very excited to have a memorable experience. I am in my late 40's, and not much of a club scene person, I just want to link up with a hottie and bang on and off at their place or at my hotel (major chain). Or maybe some other experience that is unique to Manila? If you only had a single evening, what would you do?

Clearly you haven't. But since I'm feeling nice try Smooci or go to LA cafe. One night is not enough time. Traffic is a ***** and you will be wasting your time going from place to place.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2833782]Hello Fellas!

I have RTFF, but have a real tight question and hoping someone here might share their knowledge. I am only in Manila for a night. (Staying near the airport). Have never been to the Philippines, so I am very excited to have a memorable experience. I am in my late 40's, and not much of a club scene person, I just want to link up with a hottie and bang on and off at their place or at my hotel (major chain). Or maybe some other experience that is unique to Manila? If you only had a single evening, what would you do?[/QUOTE]

Hi DCFan77,

I guess a few updates on Jordan and Spain etc was given, so it is technically true.

Personally, I do agree that travelling FR LA cafe back to NAIA is just mot practical. It might end up "cheaper" just booking a cheap hotel next to LA cafe, so you could have a plan be if the first one sucks? (In a bad way LOL).

Victor.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2833837]Clearly you haven't. But since I'm feeling nice try Smooci or go to LA cafe. One night is not enough time. Traffic is a ***** and you will be wasting your time going from place to place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2833687]Yep. Smooci is a great option (at least was 4 years ago). It was fairly straightforward but make sure you give them time to show up given Metro manila traffic can be crappy I will also suggest book for 2 hours and then you can always extend / negotiate with lesser peso value than what they have at the website. Last time when I was there, the one that I got from smooci just stayed with me through the evening and into next day. We didn't even talk prices and she was happy with just being there. I gave her like an additional 3000 pesos for the day she stayed and she was super happy.[/QUOTE]Hi Kris,

Thanks for your reply and recommendation. Still a bit curious about independents vs agency. Looks like some of the independents try to charge crazy rates (maybe looking for a naive taker). I assume it's easier to extend with an independent in case it works out well with her. But any other difference?

When you guys are sleeping with regular girls in the bilabeans, do the girls get attached fast like fatal attraction. If you don't lie to them and tell them you love them and want to marry them, does it usually end well if you end it after a couple days. Do you have to worry about these girls making up shit to the cops because you didn't call her back.

I downloaded grab to see if it would work while in the states. It's declining my card. Do I have to wait to get to Manila to add my card. I don't want to have to deal with cabs when I'm there. Do I wait until I get a SIM card in Manila and then add the card.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2833864]Hi DCFan77,

I guess a few updates on Jordan and Spain etc was given, so it is technically true.

Personally, I do agree that travelling FR LA cafe back to NAIA is just mot practical. It might end up "cheaper" just booking a cheap hotel next to LA cafe, so you could have a plan be if the first one sucks? (In a bad way LOL).

Victor.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the striaghtforward advice. I always post success stories to help out the next guy. Will do so here as well. Thanks again for getting me started in Manila.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2833782]Hello Fellas! I have RTFF, but have a real tight question and hoping someone here might share their knowledge. I am only in Manila for a night.[/QUOTE]DCF is so nice. Burro, there were several reports in the past month or so regarding Manila 1-night quickies. This site has a search function ("Advanced Search", upper-right corner of the webpage) where you can type in big words like "Escort agency" or such, and specify Philippines. We should have a separate thread for this question. Please post a follow-up descriptive field report of your 1-nighter for the gents after your visit.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2833837]Clearly you haven't. But since I'm feeling nice try Smooci or go to LA cafe. One night is not enough time. Traffic is a ***** and you will be wasting your time going from place to place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CDelta011;2832217]I am travelling soon and have limited time hence would like to get an agency instead of relying on independents via smoochi. Is there a good agency out there. I am only aware of manila courtesans, rest turned up via google search seem like scambait.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2828542]Escort services, Manila Courtesans or such. You can scout them in advance. If you want to completely skip the gogo scene, this is the way to go. Expect to pay premium.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2825568]I usually travel through Manila going to the province a couple of times per year, usually just arriving late one night and leaving next morning or afternoon, so no time to really check out night life or seek independent providers / freelancers. I have used Manila Courtesans a few times with varying results. My first encounter was not great. The girl spoke little English, had no condoms, and was out in about 20 minutes of a two hour date. Another date was stellar and was all I could want with a slim, sexy provider with excellent English skills. Others were in between. Typical coat is 5-7 k PHP for most girls.

I haven't really used Manila Asian Escorts, but I may check them out if their rates are comparable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2802238]With only seven days, you don't have time to waste with the dating sites or broken promises from freelances etc. Just go to Manila Courtesans, Smooci or similar. They all list girls who will arrive with a friend and play together. You will pay a premium but will be sure to get what you want if you are upfront with them about what exactly you call a threesome.

Note that moresomes are notorious for over promising and under delivering with bargirls, freelancers and online girls. With only seven days you don't have time for that so just go somewhere where their services are spelt out and somewhat guaranteed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2825568]I usually travel through Manila going to the province a couple of times per year, usually just arriving late one night and leaving next morning or afternoon, so no time to really check out night life or seek independent providers / freelancers. I have used Manila Courtesans a few times with varying results. My first encounter was not great. The girl spoke little English, had no condoms, and was out in about 20 minutes of a two hour date. Another date was stellar and was all I could want with a slim, sexy provider with excellent English skills. Others were in between. Typical coat is 5-7 k PHP for most girls.

I haven't really used Manila Asian Escorts, but I may check them out if their rates are comparable.

My newest try is using Pinalove. There are a lot of professional providers on there, but several who want to meet up and haven't really discussed money. One girl had been talking with me off and on for a couple of weeks and did set a price. Should I set up with the girl I met on there (23 years old and have verified it is her with specific picture requests), or go with an escort agency. I don't play often, but I certainly don't want my chance messed up![/QUOTE]Did your escort do BBFS with you? I am curious, because the agencies say that their girl NEVER do BBFS. I have no experience with escorts in Manila.

I will say that DIA and pinalove girls often do not state a price up front, but (in my experience) if they show up, you will end up having sex with them. Rather than ask them if they will have sex with me, I ask them if they will spend the night with me. Most of them show up, but one should have a plan B. if a one night stand is an important goal.

I'm reading you can get 7 years in prison if you sleep with a married Filipina. Is this for real. How the hell do I check that. If I go to a ho house and sleep with a married hooker, I can be set up and extorted?

There are so many ways to get extorted. But its highly unlikely. Go with you gut. If something doesn't feel right with a girl story as a ton of questions. If she lying she will lose interest.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834084]I'm reading you can get 7 years in prison if you sleep with a married Filipina. Is this for real. How the hell do I check that. If I go to a ho house and sleep with a married hooker, I can be set up and extorted?[/QUOTE]

Just add your card when you arrive in flip land.

Grab is great and cheaper than the thieving cab drivers.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2833909]I downloaded grab to see if it would work while in the states. It's declining my card. Do I have to wait to get to Manila to add my card. I don't want to have to deal with cabs when I'm there. Do I wait until I get a SIM card in Manila and then add the card.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2834112]There are so many ways to get extorted. But its highly unlikely. Go with you gut. If something doesn't feel right with a girl story as a ton of questions. If she lying she will lose interest.[/QUOTE]When I'm talking to a girl on tinder and ask her if she is legally single, If she says yes, am I protected if she is lying. I also saw if you go drinking with a girl and have sex, she can claim rape because she wasn't able to consent. I'm worried about this trip about getting extorted. I'm as white as Jim Carrey. I might have to stick with the hookers and avoid regular girls. What if they become jealous because I want to see other girls.

Everything was great, until it wasn't. Started the ditty sans blood. Discovered after the ditty that she'd started her blood during the ditty. Splatter happens. These kinds of contaminated injections must be re-vaxxed at a later date. Dr. Westy says: Take a midol, sweetie, and call me in a week.

I've been fooling around on FC, tinder, and SA. Tinder and SA have the most attractive girls by far. Do you guys feel the same IRL.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2834022]Did your escort do BBFS with you? I am curious, because the agencies say that their girl NEVER do BBFS. I have no experience with escorts in Manila.

I will say that DIA and pinalove girls often do not state a price up front, but (in my experience) if they show up, you will end up having sex with them. Rather than ask them if they will have sex with me, I ask them if they will spend the night with me. Most of them show up, but one should have a plan B. if a one night stand is an important goal.[/QUOTE]The provider from Manila Courtesans that I saw was young. Listed as 19. She did not bring condoms, I didn't have any, and she kept asking what she should do. I even told her she could leave with part of the payment if she was not comfortable. She then took a long shower. Maybe around ten minutes, and came out asking what she should do. But her English was very poor. I told her blow job was okay, so she started. She got ready to climb on, but I didn't really want BBFS, as I knew she didn't, and I tried to tell her just pussy job was okay, as she was actually pretty wet. Her body was slim and boobs small but amazing. But, soon, she put it inside. I actually felt bad, because I know she didn't want to, so I pulled out to cum. She got up, got dressed, and left. The bad rating is because of the awkwardness of the situation and has nothing to do with covered or uncovered service. She was soon not working for them.

My other experiences with them were all pretty good. Jasmine gave stellar service the times I have seen her. I really like slim Filipinas with small tits, so she fits the bill exactly.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834084]I'm reading you can get 7 years in prison if you sleep with a married Filipina. Is this for real. How the hell do I check that. If I go to a ho house and sleep with a married hooker, I can be set up and extorted?[/QUOTE]Being a white guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time is a felony everywhere in Asia. Occasionally it's a capital crime.

Regardless of who said what, you will be in the wrong every time. Penalties range from profound apologies, through (serious) cash reparations, to life in jail. Hence, fuckups are to be avoided at all costs.

Now that I've got your attention, I should add that I've never seen an innocent white guy randomly set upon by girls or guys with major ramifications. It's always a case of the guy was doing something borderline shady or he pissed off the wrong people and is receiving payback.

Stay with of-age girls and pay for what you touch and all will be well. Do stupid shit and win stupid prizes. Making promises you don't keep never ends well.

Don't panic. Just be sensible and go enjoy yourself.

G.

So, I had two girls I had been chatting with before coming here. One responded to my profile on Pinalove and we chatted for a while. She was pretty straightforward and said she was interested in sex for money, and put out her rates. I was okay with it (4 k for an hour and 6 k for all nights), so set up for the night I arrived. The second girl brought up money, but never set an amount. She said she did cam shows on the side. We actually did video chat on WhatsApp a few times, but she ghosted me after my last layover before Manila. I never heard from her again.

The first girl was a 110% success. Nice slim body that I love, and complete GFE. Condom was optional. I intended to use protection, but, in the heat of the moment, she put it inside and we went at it. Totally drained after a few hours, I sent her home, payment in hand. She text me the next morning and she asked to come spend the night with me, so I agreed. We talked off and on all day, and the second night was even better than the first. I offered her payment, but she didn't want to take it, as she said she didn't want to take advantage, so I paid her for her ride and breakfast the next morning. We have been messaging the whole time I've been away. I'm looking forward to it, for sure!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2834194]Everything was great, until it wasn't. Started the ditty sans blood. Discovered after the ditty that she'd started her blood during the ditty. Splatter happens. These kinds of contaminated injections must be re-vaxxed at a later date. Dr. Westy says: Take a midol, sweetie, and call me in a week.[/QUOTE]What happened please? Cannot fully understand your writting, sorry:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2834640]Being a white guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time is a felony everywhere in Asia. Occasionally it's a capital crime.

Regardless of who said what, you will be in the wrong every time. Penalties range from profound apologies, through (serious) cash reparations, to life in jail. Hence, fuckups are to be avoided at all costs.

Now that I've got your attention, I should add that I've never seen an innocent white guy randomly set upon by girls or guys with major ramifications. It's always a case of the guy was doing something borderline shady or he pissed off the wrong people and is receiving payback.

Stay with of-age girls and pay for what you touch and all will be well. Do stupid shit and win stupid prizes. Making promises you don't keep never ends well.

Don't panic. Just be sensible and go enjoy yourself.

G.[/QUOTE]So let me ask you this. If you are on SA and you offer money to see her, as some here do, is that a crime in itself. Can she take that to the authorities and have you arrested.

When I'm dealing with regular girls on tinder, if I'm upfront and say I'm here to date only, nothing serious, will that be enough to keep the false rape charges away, and the extortion that goes with it.

Supposed to be leaving Manila this weekend to spend 2+ weeks elsewhere but haven't booked anything and toying with the idea of staying here as I can't imagine the dating apps are as hot in Cebu or wherever as they are here.

Had a serious amount of fun here all mostly via Tinder and have some seriously hot prospects who I'm struggling to find time to meet due to having to work remotely. Manila is not what I expected and imo there's a lack of pubs / non-gogo bars but the dating scene, people, cost of living etc has all been 10/10. I can imagine if I was more into mongering it would rank even higher for me as P Burgos has plenty of options.

All in all very glad I came, just debating on whether to stay here or go to Cebu. Someone told me girls in Manila are more likely to be promiscuous as they often moved here from elsewhere but the beaches in Cebu look lovely.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2834640]Being a white guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time is a felony everywhere in Asia. Occasionally it's a capital crime.

Regardless of who said what, you will be in the wrong every time. Penalties range from profound apologies, through (serious) cash reparations, to life in jail. Hence, fuckups are to be avoided at all costs.

Now that I've got your attention, I should add that I've never seen an innocent white guy randomly set upon by girls or guys with major ramifications. It's always a case of the guy was doing something borderline shady or he pissed off the wrong people and is receiving payback.

Stay with of-age girls and pay for what you touch and all will be well. Do stupid shit and win stupid prizes. Making promises you don't keep never ends well.

Don't panic. Just be sensible and go enjoy yourself.

G.[/QUOTE]"making promises you can't keep" does that mean telling a girl you love her and might want to marry her to string her along. Then she wants revenge for the lie and gets you arrested for whatever she can make up. Or did you mean something else.

[QUOTE=Didier5810;2834653]What happened please?[/QUOTE]Apology Didier. She was not on her period when we started the session. Her bleeding started while we were already in the act, unknown to either of us. 'Twas discovered to be laundry time after.

[QUOTE=Didier5810;2834653]Cannot fully understand your writting[/QUOTE]Fall in line.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2834666]Her bleeding started while we were already in the act, unknown to either of us.[/QUOTE]I have to laugh -- what is it about the Philippines? Other places the girls seem to know it's about that time of the month. In the Philippines, so often it seems like comes as a total surprise to them.

[QUOTE=Betong;2834681]I have to laugh -- what is it about the Philippines? Other places the girls seem to know it's about that time of the month. In the Philippines, so often it seems like comes as a total surprise to them.[/QUOTE]Two sides of that coin:

1) There is some truth to that. A few nights ago one of my gals came for an overnight. There was no evening joy, I just wasn't in the mood. After dinner I told her to count on one round in the morning. An hour later we were watching Netflix in bed when she waltzed to the CR to pee. She came out of the CR asking if I had any pads; her period had just started. She seemed surprised, saying she was about 2 days early. Too late to send her home. She made me a nice breakfast in the morning, did the dishes, did some general tidying up, and went home with the usual prize without any substantive performance. This is life, and she returns later this week.

2) In the case of the girl pictured, there is no rhyme or reason to her period. At least twice a month, out of the blue, usually forceful (it doesn't always drip, sometimes it sprays), and it rarely lasts more than 24 hours. I am surprised we only had a bit of splatter on the bedsheet, but I'm not a bit surprised when it happens.

If you live here, you might need an endless supply of pads.

Hi Mr G.

I am just hilariously impressed by your colourful explanations and recommendations.

But as someone who did F-up with the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong. Time, I deeply regretted not demanding for the ID of the girl yo verify age!

Thanks always, Victor.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2834640]Being a white guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time is a felony everywhere in Asia. Occasionally it's a capital crime.

Regardless of who said what, you will be in the wrong every time. Penalties range from profound apologies, through (serious) cash reparations, to life in jail. Hence, fuckups are to be avoided at all costs.

Now that I've got your attention, I should add that I've never seen an innocent white guy randomly set upon by girls or guys with major ramifications. It's always a case of the guy was doing something borderline shady or he pissed off the wrong people and is receiving payback.

Stay with of-age girls and pay for what you touch and all will be well. Do stupid shit and win stupid prizes. Making promises you don't keep never ends well.

Don't panic. Just be sensible and go enjoy yourself.

G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2834640]Being a white guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time is a felony everywhere in Asia. [/QUOTE]I think your basic point is right but frankly, white guys are kind of irrelevant in SE Asia now. We're no longer a substantial market -- mostly Asians now, especially Chinese -- and so we're of no particular interest, unless we act like total dicks.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2834641]So, I had two girls I had been chatting with before coming here. One responded to my profile on Pinalove and we chatted for a while. She was pretty straightforward and said she was interested in sex for money, and put out her rates. I was okay with it (4 k for an hour and 6 k for all nights), so set up for the night I arrived. The second girl brought up money, but never set an amount. She said she did cam shows on the side. We actually did video chat on WhatsApp a few times, but she ghosted me after my last layover before Manila. I never heard from her again.

The first girl was a 110% success. Nice slim body that I love, and complete GFE. Condom was optional. I intended to use protection, but, in the heat of the moment, she put it inside and we went at it. Totally drained after a few hours, I sent her home, payment in hand. She text me the next morning and she asked to come spend the night with me, so I agreed. We talked off and on all day, and the second night was even better than the first. I offered her payment, but she didn't want to take it, as she said she didn't want to take advantage, so I paid her for her ride and breakfast the next morning. We have been messaging the whole time I've been away. I'm looking forward to it, for sure![/QUOTE]I was given a tip from a fellow ISG senior member on a freelancer from pina. She was pretty straight forward. Has been whatsapping me quite a bit. I have a 5 k LT scheduled for Friday. Do I pay upfront or after? (Is that a rookie question? I am at a pretty popular US Hotel chain near the airport. Are all hotels friendly to guests? Thanks for any insights!

[QUOTE=Betong;2834722], unless we act like total dicks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is one thing that white guys do far more frequently: hammered drunk; fist fights with bar staff abusing girls, all more likely to be a white guy.

Also Asian customers are more likely to have support from the bar owner should a girl try her luck. A white guy will largely be in his own.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2834666]Apology Didier. She was not on her period when we started the session. Her bleeding started while we were already in the act, unknown to either of us. 'Twas discovered to be laundry time after.

Fall in line.[/QUOTE]Likely story. You sure you weren't just the 10th guy for the day and rubbed things raw?? 😜.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834664]"making promises you can't keep" does that mean telling a girl you love her and might want to marry her to string her along. Then she wants revenge for the lie and gets you arrested for whatever she can make up. Or did you mean something else.[/QUOTE]I've never understood guys that lie to girls just to bed them. There are available girls everywhere so how insecure does John need to be to do that?

You're specific example is very likely to end bad as both the girl will be bitter and twisted as will as the brothers, uncles etc who thought they were on the gravy train.

Add to this guy's lying about being a millionaire or a family back home. In the latter case it's a recipe for blackmail as she realises you have something that he is scared of and the liaison can be held over him. Much better just to be upfront so they girl has no leverage.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2834662]Supposed to be leaving Manila this weekend to spend 2+ weeks elsewhere but haven't booked anything and toying with the idea of staying here as I can't imagine the dating apps are as hot in Cebu or wherever as they are here.

Had a serious amount of fun here all mostly via Tinder and have some seriously hot prospects who I'm struggling to find time to meet due to having to work remotely. Manila is not what I expected and imo there's a lack of pubs / non-gogo bars but the dating scene, people, cost of living etc has all been 10/10. I can imagine if I was more into mongering it would rank even higher for me as P Burgos has plenty of options.

All in all very glad I came, just debating on whether to stay here or go to Cebu. Someone told me girls in Manila are more likely to be promiscuous as they often moved here from elsewhere but the beaches in Cebu look lovely.[/QUOTE]I've often described Cebu as the online capital of PI. However, the quality is definitely better in MNL. Hot girls naturally gravitate to where the money and jobs are. Cebu can also take a day or so for a newbie to find his feet. If you have established a pipeline in MNL, it may be better to stay there untill the fun runs out (likely never) or you become bored and want to see something different.

So much pussy with so little time isn't the worst problem in the world. I'm sure you'll cope.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834661]So let me ask you this. If you are on SA and you offer money to see her, as some here do, is that a crime in itself. Can she take that to the authorities and have you arrested.

When I'm dealing with regular girls on tinder, if I'm upfront and say I'm here to date only, nothing serious, will that be enough to keep the false rape charges away, and the extortion that goes with it.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is technically illegal in PI. However, it is tolerated in the right areas and situation. Pay for a hooker online and no one will bat an eyelid. Offering a girl cash for a quicky in a high end mall has seen many guys get in to serious trouble.

Being upfront and honest is a good plan. She can then decide whether to move on or meet for coffee or come to your room "as friends".

No need to be too paranoid. Just act according to the situation and don't treat good girls like hookers.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2834666]Apology Didier. She was not on her period when we started the session. Her bleeding started while we were already in the act, unknown to either of us. 'Twas discovered to be laundry time after.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2834837]Likely story. You sure you weren't just the 10th guy for the day and rubbed things raw?? 😜.[/QUOTE]In my apology to Didier, I was going to joke that my tool is so massive that I caused the girl SOME MAJOR WRECKAGE or such. Sadly my tool is mediocre, not exactly expansive in girth or distance (nor frequency). Also she'd spent the prior 20-ish hours with me, so no 10th guy for the day. In fact at the time of that pic, she'd been on the outs with her 2-year pinoy boyfie. Sex several times a week had cut down to weekends, then for about 2 months had just stopped. For a period of time I was the occasional object of her horny (later they reconciled their nawty issues).

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2834818]I was given a tip from a fellow ISG senior member on a freelancer from pina. She was pretty straight forward. Has been whatsapping me quite a bit. I have a 5 k LT scheduled for Friday. Do I pay upfront or after? (Is that a rookie question? I am at a pretty popular US Hotel chain near the airport. Are all hotels friendly to guests? Thanks for any insights![/QUOTE]In manila resort world, the sheraton hotel has a second entry from the casino. The guards there could care less.

I've been to Philippines a bunch of times and have never had any issues with extortion. Not saying it couldn't happen, but the chances are low. I would trust your gut instinct.

I think that the ones that would extort you don't have a job. I have a bunch of kids ect. What dating app are you using?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834120]When I'm talking to a girl on tinder and ask her if she is legally single, If she says yes, am I protected if she is lying. I also saw if you go drinking with a girl and have sex, she can claim rape because she wasn't able to consent. I'm worried about this trip about getting extorted. I'm as white as Jim Carrey. I might have to stick with the hookers and avoid regular girls. What if they become jealous because I want to see other girls.[/QUOTE]

At least you know you didn't get her pregnant.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2834194]Everything was great, until it wasn't. Started the ditty sans blood. Discovered after the ditty that she'd started her blood during the ditty. Splatter happens. These kinds of contaminated injections must be re-vaxxed at a later date. Dr. Westy says: Take a midol, sweetie, and call me in a week.[/QUOTE]

I just tell them I have a vasectomy.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2834633]The provider from Manila Courtesans that I saw was young. Listed as 19. She did not bring condoms, I didn't have any, and she kept asking what she should do. I even told her she could leave with part of the payment if she was not comfortable. She then took a long shower. Maybe around ten minutes, and came out asking what she should do. But her English was very poor. I told her blow job was okay, so she started. She got ready to climb on, but I didn't really want BBFS, as I knew she didn't, and I tried to tell her just pussy job was okay, as she was actually pretty wet. Her body was slim and boobs small but amazing. But, soon, she put it inside. I actually felt bad, because I know she didn't want to, so I pulled out to cum. She got up, got dressed, and left. The bad rating is because of the awkwardness of the situation and has nothing to do with covered or uncovered service. She was soon not working for them.

My other experiences with them were all pretty good. Jasmine gave stellar service the times I have seen her. I really like slim Filipinas with small tits, so she fits the bill exactly.[/QUOTE]

I'the be more upfront. Tell them you are here for romance. Do you have game? Why are you not sweet talking into these girl panties. On SA you know they want money for sex. On Tinder its mostly girls for money. I'the say 60/40. Filipina cupid is better for romance or dating. I use FC and It's been wonderful. A lot of work but its paid off. I've fucked bankers, dentists, and mall rats. They just want foreign dick and hope that you fall in love with them. Sometimes you have to play with there heart strings.

Hit on all the waitresses at the American restaurant chains. TGI Fridays, Texas road house or go to BGC. There is so much easy fine pussy in BGC.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2834661]So let me ask you this. If you are on SA and you offer money to see her, as some here do, is that a crime in itself. Can she take that to the authorities and have you arrested.

When I'm dealing with regular girls on tinder, if I'm upfront and say I'm here to date only, nothing serious, will that be enough to keep the false rape charges away, and the extortion that goes with it.[/QUOTE]

I've decided to quit swiping in Manila. It's been endless amounts of women with no end. I upgraded to gold and just see who likes me, and then decide if I'm interested. I probably should have waited for my trip to join, since my trip isn't around the corner. That said, No one has mentioned money on tinder yet but like I said I'm not there.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2834818]I was given a tip from a fellow ISG senior member on a freelancer from pina. She was pretty straight forward. Has been whatsapping me quite a bit. I have a 5 k LT scheduled for Friday. Do I pay upfront or after? (Is that a rookie question? I am at a pretty popular US Hotel chain near the airport. Are all hotels friendly to guests? Thanks for any insights![/QUOTE]It's normal to pay at the end of the session. It's actually the polite way to tell girls that don't want to go that's it's time to head home. Any girl demanding money upfront should be viewed with suspicion as it's likely she will give a half arsed session then do a runner.

The one exception is girls ordered from an agency. They often insist on cash up front.

You shouldn't expect any problems if she is a referral. She may smell newbie blood in the water and try her luck but that's rare.

You would have to try very hard to find a hotel in MNL that isn't girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2834946]

Hit on all the waitresses at the American restaurant chains. TGI Fridays, Texas road house or go to BGC. There is so much easy fine pussy in BGC.[/QUOTE]Another huge difference between PI and back home. At home, bar staff, servers etc get sick of being hit in all day, every day. In PI the places you mentioned are covered jobs because of the access to love struck foreigners, many of whom end up marrying said girls.

Years ago, I was talking to an older lady at the ABC pool bar She was a liquor importer / supplier. A buddy and I commented that the girls behind the bar were the prettiest in town and were they available. She answered that getting that job was fiercely competitive as pretty much all the girls ended up married to a wealthy traveller visiting town.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2834946]. ///Hit on all the waitresses at the American restaurant chains. TGI Fridays, Texas road house or go to BGC. There is so much easy fine pussy in BGC.[/QUOTE]I am not familiar with BGC. I did a google search and got Bonifacio Global City, which is a financial district. Is there a restaurant chain called BGC? Or do you just walk around, propositioning all the brokers. LOL?

Please clarify.

Decided to book another week in Manila and been hitting Tinder hard but unfortunately it seems like some of my nighttime activities have caught up with me. Burning sensation when I piss. Not great.

Assuming it is an STI or something and will have to try and get a test. Was complacent with the condoms because I thought 'well they're just girls from Tinder so they're probably clean', clearly not the case.

I did a seeking search 18 to 27 single no kids and 50 mile range Manila. Close to 2 k results. Insane. Then I added ID verified to the search. Respectable 250 came up. With that much competition, can I expect to pay no more than 5 k pesos for a night of clubbing and sex at the end. What do you guys think.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835323]I did a seeking search 18 to 27 single no kids and 50 mile range Manila. Close to 2 k results. Insane. Then I added ID verified to the search. Respectable 250 came up. With that much competition, can I expect to pay no more than 5 k pesos for a night of clubbing and sex at the end. What do you guys think.[/QUOTE]If you're going to Manila I wouldn't bother with a 50 mile range, that is a long way let alone with the traffic here.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2835285]I am not familiar with BGC. I did a google search and got Bonifacio Global City, which is a financial district. Is there a restaurant chain called BGC? Or do you just walk around, propositioning all the brokers. LOL?

Please clarify.[/QUOTE]The area between Makati and Taguig. See pic / map, the area inside the red dots. The Market! Market! Mall is BGC. BGC is bounded on the west side by a golf course, the Manila Golf Club? And on the east side by the C5 highway, the British and Korean Embassies, and McKinley Road. Also search google maps for the Wall of Manila-American Cemetery (the bottom red arrow).

Not aware of any resto chain BCG.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2835312]Decided to book another week in Manila and been hitting Tinder hard but unfortunately it seems like some of my nighttime activities have caught up with me. Burning sensation when I piss. Not great.

Assuming it is an STI or something and will have to try and get a test. Was complacent with the condoms because I thought 'well they're just girls from Tinder so they're probably clean', clearly not the case.[/QUOTE]Go to pharmacy and get doxycycline 2 x a day for 10 days. 100 MG. You should take it when you arrive just in case. I don't bareback hookers. Really dumb to do.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2835312]Decided to book another week in Manila and been hitting Tinder hard but unfortunately it seems like some of my nighttime activities have caught up with me. Burning sensation when I piss. Not great.

Assuming it is an STI or something and will have to try and get a test. Was complacent with the condoms because I thought 'well they're just girls from Tinder so they're probably clean', clearly not the case.[/QUOTE]In your experience what % of girls were ok with going bareback? In thailand my experience has been roughly 50-60%.

Good luck with the tests.

Spent 10 days in the Philipines, majority in Manila with a short stint in Boracay. The time in Manila was all work so finding time to get into trouble was a little challenging. Was my first time out there so scoured this board for tips. I took the approach of online only based on my personality (mostly introverted) and my taste in girls. I would say it was mixed results but overall was a great time.

I'm from the US but not white, I'm olive complexion. I get confused for being Indian, Cuban, S. American etc.

I went to a few clubs / bars in Poblacion only one night and pulled a civilian, was prob a 7. I've done better in the States but majority of the time its worse so I'm not complaining.

I exclusively used Pina for p4 p. Two things I would do different. I am a relatively attractive person in real life but in photos I'm really photogenic and I have a good "online" game. I thought that would help me find civilian girls that really wanted to just date casually and I wouldn't have to pay but I had almost zero luck with that. At least from the girls that I found attractive and would message. Messages would go unanswered or the reply would be "how much you pay"? The few girls I would get the conversation started with would be like pulling teeth until I mentioned money. I wouldn't bother with real dating through Pina. That was just a waste of time.

So after a few experiences of that I would just include in my first message that I will pay for "their time". I would guess almost 90% of the time this would get the conversation started. I would guess 5% still went unread or no response and another 5% would be shocked / upset that I would propose such a thing.

Another thing I would do different is I started messaging girls on Pina about 30-45 days before I was actually going to be there. This was way too early. I would maybe do a week prior next time.

I probably had 20-30 girls lined up through Pina for p4 p but had committed nothing to them about specific dates. The amount of messages I would get from these girls asking again when I would be out there or to send them money now because of whatever emergency was absolutely annoying to the point I didn't want to even see them when I was there.

Thru Pina I ended up hooking up with an absolutely gorgeous 18 year old who was absolutely terrible in bed, a 27 year old, ID say an 8 or 9, who was average in bed, and this beautiful 24 year old who was an absolute freak. I would pay 5-7 k for 3-4 hours. Including the civilian from Poblacian, four different chicks in my 10 days. I had such a good time with the 24 year old I brought her to Boracay with me. I gave her 10 K for each day.

Was overpaying but still that is chump change in the grand scheme of things and plus I was looking for the experience.

The girls in the malls and western restaurants were not that attractive in my opinion. I thought the selection from Pina was the best. I also tried Bumble and DIA and had some exchanged messages but didn't pull the trigger on anything.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2835285]BGC? Or do you just walk around, propositioning all the brokers. LOL?

Please clarify.[/QUOTE]I realise you were joking but BGC fits well into the list of higher end areas we discussed before. Plenty of girls there who would enjoy a meal, drinks and maybe more but you certainly don't want to be walking up to every girl you see requesting $20 blowjobs. That would likely end up a very bad night.

Sorry, I forget the name of it but there is a very nice walking area closed to vehicular traffic. Many, many cafes, bars and restaurants either side with good crowds and live music etc. Maybe someone else can add the name.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835323]I did a seeking search 18 to 27 single no kids and 50 mile range Manila. Close to 2 k results. Insane. Then I added ID verified to the search. Respectable 250 came up. With that much competition, can I expect to pay no more than 5 k pesos for a night of clubbing and sex at the end. What do you guys think.[/QUOTE]Clubbing and party and a girl for the evening for 5 k? Maybe if she is a dog, even then I doubt 5 k unless you got a time machine set to the 1990's.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2835441]I realise you were joking but BGC fits well into the list of higher end areas we discussed before. Plenty of girls there who would enjoy a meal, drinks and maybe more but you certainly don't want to be walking up to every girl you see requesting $20 blowjobs. That would likely end up a very bad night.

Sorry, I forget the name of it but there is a very nice walking area closed to vehicular traffic. Many, many cafes, bars and restaurants either side with good crowds and live music etc. Maybe someone else can add the name.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]High Street.

Hi TjB,

A 10 km radius could be a good starting point. Perhaps on WeChat as well?

Victor.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835323]I did a seeking search 18 to 27 single no kids and 50 mile range Manila. Close to 2 k results. Insane. Then I added ID verified to the search. Respectable 250 came up. With that much competition, can I expect to pay no more than 5 k pesos for a night of clubbing and sex at the end. What do you guys think.[/QUOTE]

BGC Central Square. Walking area with lots of restaurants coffee shops. One of my favorite Chinese Taiwanese restaurant is. Din Tai Fung. And no I randomly don't holler at financial girls. I've gone to those areas for date night.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2835441]I realise you were joking but BGC fits well into the list of higher end areas we discussed before. Plenty of girls there who would enjoy a meal, drinks and maybe more but you certainly don't want to be walking up to every girl you see requesting $20 blowjobs. That would likely end up a very bad night.

Sorry, I forget the name of it but there is a very nice walking area closed to vehicular traffic. Many, many cafes, bars and restaurants either side with good crowds and live music etc. Maybe someone else can add the name.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835394]Go to pharmacy and get doxycycline 2 x a day for 10 days. 100 MG. You should take it when you arrive just in case. I don't bareback hookers. Really dumb to do.[/QUOTE]Yeah spoke to a doc and got given 7 days supply of doxycycline. They weren't even hookers I guess STDs are just common here, I will stop barebacking but girls here to seem to be very keen on it compared to other places I have been and its hard to say no.

[QUOTE=FlyingOmar;2835439]Spent 10 days in the Philipines, majority in Manila with a short stint in Boracay. The time in Manila was all work so finding time to get into trouble was a little challenging. Was my first time out there so scoured this board for tips. I took the approach of online only based on my personality (mostly introverted) and my taste in girls. I would say it was mixed results but overall was a great time.

I'm from the US but not white, I'm olive complexion. I get confused for being Indian, Cuban, S. American etc.

I went to a few clubs / bars in Poblacion only one night and pulled a civilian, was prob a 7. I've done better in the States but majority of the time its worse so I'm not complaining.

I exclusively used Pina for p4 p. Two things I would do different. I am a relatively attractive person in real life but in photos I'm really photogenic and I have a good "online" game. I thought that would help me find civilian girls that really wanted to just date casually and I wouldn't have to pay but I had almost zero luck with that. At least from the girls that I found attractive and would message. Messages would go unanswered or the reply would be "how much you pay"? The few girls I would get the conversation started with would be like pulling teeth until I mentioned money. I wouldn't bother with real dating through Pina. That was just a waste of time..[/QUOTE]So far from my experiences girls on PinaLove are farrrrr more likely to want cash, in fact I have had 0 luck on there finding a hottie who doesn't want cash. There are girls below my standards who will fuck for free but Tinder is much more fruitful if you are looking for normal girls IMO. Glad you had a good time.

I'm reading that our plugs don't work in PI. What plug / adapter do I buy at Walmart before I go. How are you guys charging your phones.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835568]I'm reading that our plugs don't work in PI. What plug / adapter do I buy at Walmart before I go. How are you guys charging your phones.[/QUOTE]You might just put all your question together in one post than to piece meal it.

Just a suggestion.

BTW, quick internet search will provide you a quick answer.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835568]I'm reading that our plugs don't work in PI. What plug / adapter do I buy at Walmart before I go. How are you guys charging your phones.[/QUOTE]Plugs are US style and your phone / laptop etc chargers will work. Pretty much all modern electronics chargers are auto selecting voltage. Hair dryers, rice cookers or what not else are a different story.

I would get a universal adapter anyway if you travel a lot. This will help in Europe and a lot of other countries. I order mine at Amazon and usually buy one with 4 or 5 USB charging ports so its a travel adapter and a charger for multiple devices in one.

Here is an inexpensive example (you can get better ones that also charge laptops via USB C):

https://www.amazon.com/EPICKA-Universal-Travel-Adapter-Power/dp/B078S3M2NX

Bro,

Please share the profile I'd or link of those pina love girls. I m also going manila next month. It will be very helpful.

Thanks,

Mm.

[QUOTE=FlyingOmar;2835439]Spent 10 days in the Philipines, majority in Manila with a short stint in Boracay. The time in Manila was all work so finding time to get into trouble was a little challenging. Was my first time out there so scoured this board for tips. I took the approach of online only based on my personality (mostly introverted) and my taste in girls. I would say it was mixed results but overall was a great time.

I'm from the US but not white, I'm olive complexion. I get confused for being Indian, Cuban, S. American etc.

I went to a few clubs / bars in Poblacion only one night and pulled a civilian, was prob a 7. I've done better in the States but majority of the time its worse so I'm not complaining.

I exclusively used Pina for p4 p. Two things I would do different. I am a relatively attractive person in real life but in photos I'm really photogenic and I have a good "online" game. I thought that would help me find civilian girls that really wanted to just date casually and I wouldn't have to pay but I had almost zero luck with that. At least from the girls that I found attractive and would message. Messages would go unanswered or the reply would be "how much you pay"? The few girls I would get the conversation started with would be like pulling teeth until I mentioned money. I wouldn't bother with real dating through Pina. That was just a waste of time.

So after a few experiences of that I would just include in my first message that I will pay for "their time". I would guess almost 90% of the time this would get the conversation started. I would guess 5% still went unread or no response and another 5% would be shocked / upset that I would propose such a thing.

Another thing I would do different is I started messaging girls on Pina about 30-45 days before I was actually going to be there. This was way too early. I would maybe do a week prior next time.

I probably had 20-30 girls lined up through Pina for p4 p but had committed nothing to them about specific dates. The amount of messages I would get from these girls asking again when I would be out there or to send them money now because of whatever emergency was absolutely annoying to the point I didn't want to even see them when I was there.

Thru Pina I ended up hooking up with an absolutely gorgeous 18 year old who was absolutely terrible in bed, a 27 year old, ID say an 8 or 9, who was average in bed, and this beautiful 24 year old who was an absolute freak. I would pay 5-7 k for 3-4 hours. Including the civilian from Poblacian, four different chicks in my 10 days. I had such a good time with the 24 year old I brought her to Boracay with me. I gave her 10 K for each day.

Was overpaying but still that is chump change in the grand scheme of things and plus I was looking for the experience.

The girls in the malls and western restaurants were not that attractive in my opinion. I thought the selection from Pina was the best. I also tried Bumble and DIA and had some exchanged messages but didn't pull the trigger on anything.[/QUOTE]

I only stayed for a short time with the 2 days filled with work and dinner. Adding in the bad traffic and staying in Alabang I did not have much extra time. I am so not interested in overnight and prefer to sleep alone. I know the Manila bar scene (last time way before COVID though) but with too little time and early morning starts escorts were the only option.

First evening after a long day I was not sure before later if I want to bother. Tried only via Smooci first but it was already 9:30 pm. Freelancers asked for crazy travel fees to go to Alabang (5000) on top of the already comparatively higher price. So I did decline. One Freelancer tried to push to buy her videos or pay for a video call. Not interested at all but seems like she got enough takers. Conversations with them were via WhatsApp.

Then tried manila courtesans but they said will take 2 hours for somebody to arrive and because it was now 10:00pm I gave up.

Lesson learned, plan ahead.

Next day tried smooci again in the afternoon to arrange for a 9:30 pm to give them enough lead time. I also had bought the 3 day package for 10 dollars so was able to send chat messages. Sent chat messages to 3 of them and one replied relatively fast. Agreed to book for 2 hours and she then sent me a WhatsApp message asking for 2000 additional for travel. Smooci did show 500 in the booking. I agreed to it because it was lower compared to last night.

Smooci should improve the travel part because the booking does show it lower but freelancers don't stick to it.

Came home later then expected but still in time and was surprised that she was in time and actually 10 minutes early (I guess early booking did help).

She asked if she can order some room service because she is really hungry. Agreed as long as we can do some foreplay until the food arrives. Jumped into the shower and then we played a bit on the bed before the food arrived. What is up with those girls and food? Had it already in earlier trips with bar girls asking for food first before the deed. And they are hungry and do eat all.

Sex was ok but nothing to write home about. Her looks matched the description and pictures so that's a plus for Smooci. Didn't really like to give head but very tight so enjoyed the sex. Got the you are so big (yeah right, I am very average). She had no condoms and we used mine. Don't get it what's so hard to bring them but also knew it ahead of time so was prepared and prefer mine anyway.

She worked before as a massage therapist so decided to ask her instead of a second round to give me a longer massage. Worked out very well and she has better skills compared to the sex before.

Talked for a while and she said she pays 50 USD per week to advertise on Smooci. She can make around 60000 pesos per week. Mainly japanese customers (she said she also speaks some japanese and worked there for 3 month in 'entertainment' A Japanese customer also sent her money during covid. Got the impression with online videos (she also said she did) and gullible guys sending money its easier for them to make money this way compared to actual sex.

I had booked for 2 hours and she left about in time. I was also ready to call it a night. Smooci kept me updated via SMS messages and this worked out well. Girl communication moved to WhatsApp right away (always) and helped to know when she would arrive or to pick her up in the hotel lobby.

In general was very average, was able to bust my nuts but overpriced for local standards. Sex skills are way better with Globe girls in Switzerland. Smooci is easy to use and always got a quick response. Unfortunately had really no extra time and previous visits going out to the bars first was more fun. Would I recommend it? Only if you are in a time crunch and are ok overpaying for convenience.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2833499]Went to Abacca spa for a massage, massages are my guilty pleasure.

This was the only place I could find that isn't outcall and is definitely offering a happy ending.

Building itself is hard to find and fairly rundown, security guy say outside will show you its on the 2nd floor.

Paid 2000 pesos for a lingnam massage from 2 girls and really enjoyed it, not the hardest massage ever though they said they were holding back but enjoyable technique and a very happy ending after a lot of teasing. Only bad thing is the place is curtains rather then separate rooms but couldn't hear much of anything outside of some slaps on the back from other rooms.

I went in with the assumption I should tip them the same 2000 pesos as I paid for the massage but at no point did they hint towards money or ask for a tip so I just left, kinda feel like I should have tipped tbh, not sure if its the norm here?

Either way enjoyed it a lot.[/QUOTE]Where is this located? I searched google and it gives confusing results. There is one in Pasig apparently and one in Makati.

What's with Filipino girls and braces? I am seeing that most youngish girls wear braces here. This can be such a turnoff while kissing them. Plus it gives them an unnatural pout. Even when girls share their photos without braces, they still have braces when you meet them. I am planning to start asking this question explicitly.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2835544]BGC Central Square. Walking area with lots of restaurants coffee shops. One of my favorite Chinese Taiwanese restaurant is. Din Tai Fung. And no I randomly don't holler at financial girls. I've gone to those areas for date night.[/QUOTE]Burgos Circle is great area too. Plenty of bars with girls more than willing to be seduced.

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2836161]What's with Filipino girls and braces? I am seeing that most youngish girls wear braces here. This can be such a turnoff while kissing them. Plus it gives them an unnatural pout. Even when girls share their photos without braces, they still have braces when you meet them. I am planning to start asking this question explicitly.[/QUOTE]Braces have been on the increase for almost a decade, even in the province. An indicator of rising wealth.

I would disagree that most youngish girls wear braces here. Definitely ask in pre-meet conversations if it bothers you.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2836165]Braces have been on the increase for almost a decade, even in the province. An indicator of rising wealth.

I would disagree that most youngish girls wear braces here. Definitely ask in pre-meet conversations if it bothers you.[/QUOTE]Must be my experience then. The resulting pout changes their appearance. So not a botheration, but still some. .

[QUOTE=CoolDumble;2836169]Must be my experience then. The resulting pout changes their appearance. So not a botheration, but still some. .[/QUOTE]Also, how much they are able to smoothen their appearance in the photos. Pinalove does a better job as they have multiple pics and one of them will reveal the real features. But seeking photos can often be very deceptive.

I've been a regular visitor to the Philippines for the past 15 years but haven't been back since 2019. On my most recent trip last week I was able to check out LA Cafe for the first time. I stayed near the Robinsons Place Mall and had no issues walking over at night. I didn't feel it was dangerous just some people sleeping on the sidewalk on Mabini Street. A girl I was talking to said she was standing outside LA Cafe recently and saw a Japanese guy walking with his lady friend down Salas Street and couple of guys robbed the guy and the lady. So watch out guys.

I did stop by around 9:30 PM on a Sunday night. Didn't see any available seats in the lower level so I went upstairs to watch the band. I'm not sure how the 100 php cover charge is enforced because no one asked for any money when I went upstairs. On my other visit I also just walked around upstairs without paying so I don't know where this 100 php cover charge is paid. I'd say the quality of the girls there is average, if I'm being nice. I did see more girls and better looking girls when I left around 10:00 PM or so.

I did make another visit later in week on Friday night. I showed up around midnight. There were definitely more girls there on a Friday but I would say the quality was probably worse than on Sunday night. That was a little disappointing. I talked with a couple of girls but upon closer inspection I did change my mind about going with them.

One thing that wasn't clear to me was about how much the lady drinks were. My drinks from the regular menu were in the 100's php but lady drinks ended up being like 300 - 500 php? The waitress didn't really explain and just scribbled some lines on the receipt without really explaining. I feel like they pad the bill a little and also include the tip. The girls told me that if they speak up in the bar about the drink prices they can get blacklisted from the bar by the waitress so I didn't really make a big stink.

I may give this place a miss on my next visit to Manila and maybe try the Makati area. I felt like it wasn't that easy to find a suitable quality partner for the night. There were a lot of girls there but the quality is not the greatest. I usually go to Angeles City but had to be in Manila for the night to catch a flight the next day. Fellas, am I missing something here?

[QUOTE=KingSquared;2836405]I may give this place a miss on my next visit to Manila and maybe try the Makati area. I felt like it wasn't that easy to find a suitable quality partner for the night. There were a lot of girls there but the quality is not the greatest. I usually go to Angeles City but had to be in Manila for the night to catch a flight the next day. Fellas, am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]Not missing anything. That's an appropriate description of the place. LAC has been trending towards older / fuglier for some years. I'd say there are gems you can find there most nights, but they are often looking at K-town area upstairs, and they are the exception and not the norm. Be prepared to pay a bit more than you did pre-covid, lookers were asking 5-6 k for ST when I was there a few months back.

I have been in Manila for 6 days and leave tomorrow. Arrived on Wednesday night. Plane was delayed an hour circling Manila due to a thunderstorm. Breezed through immigration, bag was one of the first out (Status does help with QANTAS). Tried to get a grab and lined up at the yellow cab rank. It took almost an hour to get a yellow cab while trying to get a grab at the same time. I could have gone to the white rank but I don't like the extra walk and the argument regarding fares. The drive wanted to take the toll road as there was flooding on the normal route to which I agreed. Got to Malate and many of the side streets were flooded. I thought the way he was going we would end up back in Pasay as he tried to avoid the water. Eventually made it to the Condo.

Girl 1. I don't know how I managed to get in this situation! This girl I met on Date in Asia, single mum. I gave her a little money during Covid as I am a softie, however it seems she was becoming dependent. I met up with her the last trip and sex was ordinary. Then she asks for more and more before this trip. So we organised to stay when I arrived but even though I chatted from the airport on reaching the condo it was silence. So I started on Pina, tantan and tinder with no luck. Finally at 2 am she writes me and comes over. You can imagine my mood was not good. Had sex but she ended up sore, woke up the next day. She brought the kid because no babysitter. Kid spreads chocolate milk over the bed, then kid has a shit and mum cleans her in shower leaving shit everywhere. She then tells me she has to go to some interview. I have sex again but she is very sore now so very unsatisfying. Its like 700 p for a grab each way and of course she wants me to pay. So she left and within hours starts asking for money. Not when should I come again and pay you back in kind for all the help. Well that's it for me, number blocked.

I will continue shortly.

So I has planned a couple of nights with the first girl but now had a night available. I started again on Pina Love, Date in Asia and TanTan. I skipped Tinder as the talent pool was very shallow. I found a girl on TanTan. Previously on TT I would get a large volume of hits of which many would be LBs. This time barely a hit but when I did it was gold. 19 yo, attractive, petite and a super hot firm body. Agreed to 5 k + grab fare. Was a bit shy but enthusiasic. Nice clean pussy, small but well formed tits and tight firm arse. No problem with CIP. Has worked as a model and currently working in finance.

Finished first shot. She gave me a massage then I was think of sleep but she kept siddling up to me. Started playing and as I felt horny went for a second round. Managed to come again which is rare these days then went to sleep. Next morning woke up and completed round 3. Gave her a tip and she left about 9 am. More than I usually pay but well worth it.

The next night I planned to meet a 19 yo I had matched with on TT from my previous trip but she had other plans. I had another regular that I was planning on seeing over the weekend but brought her forward. She arrived about 2 am as she works 12 - 12. Just went to sleep as was still recovering from my previous session. Next morning had a session finishing with cum in arse. She likes her arse being fucked hard but I only did the one session as my cock was irritated from some pussy stubble. She spent 3 nights doing 2 sessions a day. I had given her an advance for an emergency so deducted it off what I gave her. Ended up averaging 4500 a day + food. She's very low maintenance and a pleasant demeanor but I like a little variety.

She left at 4 pm. I had rescheduled the Friday girl to Monday but she sent me a copy of her ID which was a school ID from a couple of years back. I decided not to risk it being rejected and instead repeated the hot 19 yo. Pretty much a repeat of the previous session. Spent the nigh rubbing her arse against me. Nice to have a girl who wants to be fucked as much as you want it. See her photos in the photos thread.

[QUOTE=KingSquared;2836405]One thing that wasn't clear to me was about how much the lady drinks were. My drinks from the regular menu were in the 100's php but lady drinks ended up being like 300 - 500 php? The waitress didn't really explain and just scribbled some lines on the receipt without really explaining. I feel like they pad the bill a little and also include the tip. The girls told me that if they speak up in the bar about the drink prices they can get blacklisted from the bar by the waitress so I didn't really make a big stink.[/QUOTE]Each time you order a drink, whether for yourself or a girl, when the waitress brings the drink, she has you sign a chit for it. It would list the exact price of the girl's drink at the time (even if you couldn't read the waitress' chicken-scratch "RUM COKE".). I believe the waitress then sticks a copy of the chit in a small cup on your table. When you bill out, she takes the chits and totals them to give you a final bill. Other gents, is that correct? That would make it difficult for the waitress to pad the bill. She would be aware that if there were a discrepancy or worry from the customer at bill-out time, the customer might have photographed every chit in his cup, and show it to Mgmt.

Customer prices are listed on the menu, but I am not sure that girlie drink prices are.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2836529]Each time you order a drink, whether for yourself or a girl, when the waitress brings the drink, she has you sign a chit for it. It would list the exact price of the girl's drink at the time (even if you couldn't read the waitress' chicken-scratch "RUM COKE".). I believe the waitress then sticks a copy of the chit in a small cup on your table. When you bill out, she takes the chits and totals them to give you a final bill. Other gents, is that correct? That would make it difficult for the waitress to pad the bill. She would be aware that if there were a discrepancy or worry from the customer at bill-out time, the customer might have photographed every chit in his cup, and show it to Mgmt.

Customer prices are listed on the menu, but I am not sure that girlie drink prices are.[/QUOTE]I've been in several bars that get tired of complaints about padding so they get the customer to sign every chit before it's put in the cup. Even if it's not required, it can be a good strategy if the guy has concerns. Not so much as an aid to accounting but it sends the message that any discrepancy will have to be explained.

Of course, the simplest and easiest protection is to pay for every drink as it's received.

Enjoy. G.

Well, I can now report on my trip. Was only in Manila for a day, and boy did I not understand what you guys were saying about the traffic, but it was unbelievable! I was lucky to have a reference on WhatsApp from mamag, a fellow monger on this site that gave me a number on PM. She came to my hotel within a few hours, and I wasn't in country longer than 2 hours before I had my first experience! 2 shots, 5 k. No condom. (Not my choice, but I couldn't say no): She was pretty enough, and tiny. Service. OK. Didn't enjoy kissing and only sucked on the tip. But. It was good for a first time. I am north of the city now, and have not been able to find anything here. Massage places are awesome at massages, but no action. Signs everywhere that say no extras. The local bars are full of young guys and girls. They are all very friendly, but all the dudes are trying hard to get me laid. I am not sure what is in it for them, or how the culture works, but, I am starting to get a better appreciation for all of your posts. If anyone wants my one freelancer victory, PM for digits. Thanks for all the help. Will let you know if I have any more successes. (Badoo has been almost all lady boys), all of the escort agencies contacts here want 50% deposit in advance, which sounds like a scam. No Smoochi here.

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2836809]Thanks for all the help. Will let you know if I have any more successes. (Badoo has been almost all lady boys), all of the escort agencies contacts here want 50% deposit in advance, which sounds like a scam. No Smoochi here.[/QUOTE]There was a time when BYOG was the only real option once we moved outside the regular mongering capitals. Online has changed that, especially those that offer 'near me' searches. Try Tinder, Date In Asia or Pina Love.

Good luck. G.

I am reposting this from the Cebu2022 section as there is no Cebu2023. And, I do not think anyone will read yesterday's posting until 2024 at the earliest! I am about to purchase my tiks to BKK and the Phils and I need to make a decision.

Here is the background: In 2013, I planned a weekend of scuba diving near Cebu, and actually had a DIA lady lined up to accompany me to Moalboal, when Typhoon Haiyan (aka, Super Typhoon Yolanda) hit. Somehow, I ignorantly did not check the weather and I arrived a few hours before they shut down the airport. I never left the city, and after the Typhoon was over (really, it was just one day of really strong wind and rain in Cebu), the resultant devastation to coastal towns brought everything in the country to a near standstill. I was able to convince a few brave girls to visit me in my hotel in Cebu, and picked up a terrific MILF in a mall the day after the storm, but the trip was pretty much a disaster. I am seriously considering returning.

So here is my real question: In perusing the various available girls in pinalove and DIA, I notice that Cebu has an abundance of available women. This is not to say that Manila does not, but I am curious whether Cebu is worth the journey if one is not heading to the beach. Is there more to do in Cebu other than hunt the ladies and have sex? And in that regard, is there a bar/disco/strip club scene or massage opportunities.

Of course, Cebu is close to lots of water opportunities. But I would be really pleased if someone could give me the lay of the land, so to speak, about things to do when not mongering in Cebu. Is it worthwhile to plan on staying in Cebu? Or should I spend a few days in the city scouting out the ladies, decide on a young traveling partner and then take her to Moalbaol for a few days?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2837776]I am reposting this from the Cebu2022 section as there is no Cebu2023. And, I do not think anyone will read yesterday's posting until 2024 at the earliest! I am about to purchase my tiks to BKK and the Phils and I need to make a decision.

Here is the background: In 2013, I planned a weekend of scuba diving near Cebu, and actually had a DIA lady lined up to accompany me to Moalboal, when Typhoon Haiyan (aka, Super Typhoon Yolanda) hit. Somehow, I ignorantly did not check the weather and I arrived a few hours before they shut down the airport. I never left the city, and after the Typhoon was over (really, it was just one day of really strong wind and rain in Cebu), the resultant devastation to coastal towns brought everything in the country to a near standstill. I was able to convince a few brave girls to visit me in my hotel in Cebu, and picked up a terrific MILF in a mall the day after the storm, but the trip was pretty much a disaster. I am seriously considering returning.

So here is my real question: In perusing the various available girls in pinalove and DIA, I notice that Cebu has an abundance of available women. This is not to say that Manila does not, but I am curious whether Cebu is worth the journey if one is not heading to the beach. Is there more to do in Cebu other than hunt the ladies and have sex? And in that regard, is there a bar/disco/strip club scene or massage opportunities.

Of course, Cebu is close to lots of water opportunities. But I would be really pleased if someone could give me the lay of the land, so to speak, about things to do when not mongering in Cebu. Is it worthwhile to plan on staying in Cebu? Or should I spend a few days in the city scouting out the ladies, decide on a young traveling partner and then take her to Moalbaol for a few days?[/QUOTE]You can search my reports on Cebu. All in all I enjoyed my stay. Plenty of non pro girls available online. Moalboal is pretty mediocre for diving but its nice for a laid back beach holiday. Many girls on PinaLove all over the island. Food was surprisingly good in Cebu city and there are some nice upscale bars and restaurants. No real pick up bars (Mango Square is overrated). If you want point and click fucking go to AC. If you want a more laid back visit and more non pros I would go to Cebu.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2837836]If you want point and click fucking go to AC. If you want a more laid back visit and more non pros I would go to Cebu.[/QUOTE]Are the Cebu Maxilom Ave gogos, the Vikings / Sister's group, not operating, for point / click? I thought Mdede reported on them post-covid.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2837883]Are the Cebu Maxilom Ave gogos, the Vikings / Sister's group, not operating, for point / click? I thought Mdede reported on them post-covid.[/QUOTE]Yes I went to Viking in August 2022. Point + click (x2) back to my hotel. Got the videos to prove it haha. I don't remember prices unfortunately but it was worth it, especially for a whole night with two.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2837883]Are the Cebu Maxilom Ave gogos, the Vikings / Sister's group, not operating, for point / click? I thought Mdede reported on them post-covid.[/QUOTE]They are point and click in terms of taking your money for a bar fine. In terms of actually releasing the girl if you want to leave early-ish or having her provide good service, not so much.

Online is far more reliable and timely. Cebu is like shooting fish in a barrel online.

For MamaGuevos, while the beaches in Cebu City itself aren't great, and can be hours away due to traffic, there are a number of dive areas or swimming beaches in the area that make a great day / weekend trip.

Alona, Bohol generally, Moalboal, Malapascua jump to mind.

Enjoy. G.

Hello guys,

I have urgent need of any contact of a freelancer or a girl you have been delighted with. I Will be leaving Makati in 3 days. Until now managed to go to my hotel with one 30 why. O with great natural breasts and tight pussy for 3 k php from Greenbelt Park and 1 sexy black Student around 22 from agimat at ugat bar. Great bar with great cocktails BTW. So any suggestions on pm Will be highly appreciates.

Back in April, I was sitting in the lounge at Naya 3 and was telling myself "never again Philippines" and flew to Jakarta to taste some busty Asian chick. Here I'm now RTFF and planning my trip to Manila again.

My first Manila trip was in 2016 when Backpage was thriving and I had my friend sent me a spinner from iloilo. Fun times but I get tired of one Pussy after 2/3 days in a row. Tried few from Backpage and OKC. Can't complain much but then I'm a boobs man and busty Philippians are kinda rare gem.

This April I had my spinner lined up 4 in Iloilo. Fresh non-pro pussies then I got tired of it again due to lack of boobs.

Thanks to you "G" and Transpoters pics, I'm going to give Philippines another try, specially the response I'm getting from Pina Love. Haven't fired up tinder yet but let's see how my "third time is the charm" turns out. Thinking of allocating 4 days for Manila and 5 days in the province as plenty of non-pros are there.

What do you suggest G?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2836833]There was a time when BYOG was the only real option once we moved outside the regular mongering capitals. Online has changed that, especially those that offer 'near me' searches. Try Tinder, Date In Asia or Pina Love.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]

I went to Manila beginning of June and stayed for 5 days in City Garden hotel in Makati. Before travel I got few contacts from SA and got info from here on ISG for where to get currency exchange, SIM, GRAB taxi. Arrived at airport and exchaged $ to PHP. The exchange rate is good at airport and I did exchange for amount of next 5 days. Took prepaid SIM at airport.

Downloaded GRAB app on phone and it was easy to hire a taxi using GRAB. One thing is Makati is too much polluted. Luckily I took masks and it worked out well when I went outside. SA girls are good but a bit of expensive. But I negotiated for 6 K to 10 K. Some are very firm on 15 K, 25 K etc and not willing to negotiate. But 10 K is highest I did whom they turned out to be very good. Some agree to DATY but some does not I don't know why. But DFK is available for almost all SA girls I saw. Anyway I use protection regardless how they look or maintain.

Regarding food the filling stations is open 24 hours and the food is good and very crowded on certain times. Families with kids also come here to eat. I don't know what kids will think when they see all hookers surrounded by LOL. Sometimes I went nearby Indian restaurants and burger king.

The hookers on P Burgos are not worth picking them. Many of them are LB / TS and they appear manly. Bangkok LB / TS are good looking compared to Manila. Maybe I missed on few based on timing that I went. I was surrounded by many of them before I went into filling station LOL. But I passed them.

I saw Venus and Bambi from [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/[/URL] They smell good and taste good. If you got smooci membership it will be 1000 PHP cheaper.

In between 5 days of trip I went to Robinson mall by taxi and then to LA cafe. The hookers are average looking and I sat for more than hour or so. I got attention from 2 MILFS who came and started chatting with me. Later negotiated for 2 K for threesome at nearby hotel which is few steps away from LA cafe. No DFK or other activities involved except direct Fking. Later I was not interested to go back into cafe and left for City Garden hotel in Makati. Next time maybe I will stay few days near Makati and few days near LA Cafe.

Overall my trip did not get wasted and around $800 to $900 well spent in 5 days. Most of them from SA. Compare to USA SA the Manila SA is far better and no wasting of time. Manila SA girls use telegram app. So download telegram app which is discreet without providing phone number. Its just like snapchat.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2838509]..Thinking of allocating 4 days for Manila and 5 days in the province as plenty of non-pros are there.

What do you suggest G?[/QUOTE]Depends on what your definition of busty is. I'd agree that huge JJs are unicorns in PI. If DDs are sufficient then go to Davao as a CC cup is regarded as flat chested there. It's a big city but the attitudes are very provincial so expect the normal security blanket friend or platonic first date for some girls.

Open this old Photo Gallery post for an example of a Davaoena:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2148861]I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.[/QUOTE]For non pros I would move to Filipino Cupid. It doesn't have a 'near me' feature but you can search down to city level. As usual, wait until you are in town and want to meet after work / school to reduce the number of flakes and no shows.

If you're willing to invest time, and likely considerable $$, I've noticed that Manila and Cebu IG Influencers are starting to turn to bolt ones. Often stunningly beautiful, unfortunately they come with the Princess Bride attitudes due to the number of simps fawning over them. The best way of finding them is to search the megaclub hash tags and follow the rabbit hole of friends of friends. Rates are 10 k / HR and up. I could easily see 30-50 k disappear if wining and dining her and her friends. Again, open the post below for an example.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2554881]Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:....[/QUOTE]Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Garfield32;2838397]Hello guys,

I have urgent need of any contact of a freelancer or a girl you have been delighted with. I Will be leaving Makati in 3 days. Until now managed to go to my hotel with one 30 why. O with great natural breasts and tight pussy for 3 k php from Greenbelt Park and 1 sexy black Student around 22 from agimat at ugat bar. Great bar with great cocktails BTW. So any suggestions on pm Will be highly appreciates.[/QUOTE]PM me first and look forward to the first meaningful FR.

Hi Mr G.

Thanks once again for your insightful view on the Cebu beaches.

Would like to check if you have a go-to club or part of Cebu beaches that you use for diving?

Thanks again,

Victor.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2837902]They are point and click in terms of taking your money for a bar fine. In terms of actually releasing the girl if you want to leave early-ish or having her provide good service, not so much.

Online is far more reliable and timely. Cebu is like shooting fish in a barrel online.

For MamaGuevos, while the beaches in Cebu City itself aren't great, and can be hours away due to traffic, there are a number of dive areas or swimming beaches in the area that make a great day / weekend trip.

Alona, Bohol generally, Moalboal, Malapascua jump to mind.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Garfield32;2838397]I have urgent need of any contact of a freelancer or a girl you have been delighted with. I Will be leaving Makati in 3 days. Until now managed to go to my hotel with one 30 why. O with great natural breasts and tight pussy for 3 k php from Greenbelt Park and 1 sexy black Student around 22 from agimat at ugat bar. Great bar with great cocktails BTW. So any suggestions on pm Will be highly appreciates.[/QUOTE]Send me a Private Message here.

[QUOTE=ManFromHeaven;2838683]I went to Manila beginning of June and stayed for 5 days in City Garden hotel in Makati. Before travel I got few contacts from SA and got info from here on ISG for where to get currency exchange, SIM, GRAB taxi. Arrived at airport and exchaged $ to PHP. The exchange rate is good at airport and I did exchange for amount of next 5 days. Took prepaid SIM at airport.

Downloaded GRAB app on phone and it was easy to hire a taxi using GRAB. One thing is Makati is too much polluted. Luckily I took masks and it worked out well when I went outside. SA girls are good but a bit of expensive. But I negotiated for 6 K to 10 K. Some are very firm on 15 K, 25 K etc and not willing to negotiate. But 10 K is highest I did whom they turned out to be very good. Some agree to DATY but some does not I don't know why. But DFK is available for almost all SA girls I saw. Anyway I use protection regardless how they look or maintain.

Regarding food the filling stations is open 24 hours and the food is good and very crowded on certain times. Families with kids also come here to eat. I don't know what kids will think when they see all hookers surrounded by LOL. Sometimes I went nearby Indian restaurants and burger king.

The hookers on P Burgos are not worth picking them. Many of them are LB / TS and they appear manly. Bangkok LB / TS are good looking compared to Manila. Maybe I missed on few based on timing that I went. I was surrounded by many of them before I went into filling station LOL. But I passed them.

I saw Venus and Bambi from [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/[/URL] They smell good and taste good. If you got smooci membership it will be 1000 PHP cheaper.

In between 5 days of trip I went to Robinson mall by taxi and then to LA cafe. The hookers are average looking and I sat for more than hour or so. I got attention from 2 MILFS who came and started chatting with me. Later negotiated for 2 K for threesome at nearby hotel which is few steps away from LA cafe. No DFK or other activities involved except direct Fking. Later I was not interested to go back into cafe and left for City Garden hotel in Makati. Next time maybe I will stay few days near Makati and few days near LA Cafe.

Overall my trip did not get wasted and around $800 to $900 well spent in 5 days. Most of them from SA. Compare to USA SA the Manila SA is far better and no wasting of time. Manila SA girls use telegram app. So download telegram app which is discreet without providing phone number. Its just like snapchat.[/QUOTE]25 k is insane. Are they actually getting that or just hoping a sucker will bite and then lower it. That's 450 dollars. Do the SA girls look like their pictures when they show up.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2838774]Hi Mr G.

Thanks once again for your insightful view on the Cebu beaches.

Would like to check if you have a go-to club or part of Cebu beaches that you use for diving?

Thanks again,

Victor.[/QUOTE]I'm not really into Gogo's esp in Cebu so can't recommend any of them. Actually I actively avoid them but YMMV.

Alona has ok, not great, diving.

Malapascua and moalboal are much better. They are far enough that you really need at least a weekend. Malapascua has better diving. Moalboal has more girls. Watch the weather as if conditions deteriorate, then the boats to / from malapascua are stopped and you are trapped on the island. Pick your priorities.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2838774]Would like to check if you have a go-to club or part of Cebu beaches that you use for diving?[/QUOTE]Gogos are located on Maxilom Ave, 1 mile east of the Fuente Circle. See map. Vikings bar may have changed its name to Kakadu Bar (see pic). There are half a dozen gogo bars all right next door to each other there. Another one is named Sisters, and I think another one is named 'X'. Last time I was there before pandemic the barfine was p3000 for all of them and was for LT. No idea what it is now. If you go, report back.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2838805]25 k is insane. Are they actually getting that or just hoping a sucker will bite and then lower it. That's 450 dollars. Do the SA girls look like their pictures when they show up.[/QUOTE]Yes 25 k is insane. I negotiated to 10 K or max 12 K but some of them refused. I did not partake them. Yes they look exactly as they are in pictures. But I never give them my room number unless I meet them outside at public place like near filling station or some coffee place. They are willing to meet at public place before heading to hotel room just to make sure they are real. All terms and conditions are discussed on Tg like DFK, DATY, BJ etc so there are no more surprises after getting inside room. Only surprise I saw is some of them are unshaved and could not do DATY on them. Its all about the money they think of when they meet.

[QUOTE=ManFromHeaven;2839132]Yes 25 k is insane. I negotiated to 10 K or max 12 K but some of them refused. I did not partake them. Yes they look exactly as they are in pictures. But I never give them my room number unless I meet them outside at public place like near filling station or some coffee place. They are willing to meet at public place before heading to hotel room just to make sure they are real. All terms and conditions are discussed on Tg like DFK, DATY, BJ etc so there are no more surprises after getting inside room. Only surprise I saw is some of them are unshaved and could not do DATY on them. Its all about the money they think of when they meet.[/QUOTE]Have you met anyone that actually pays 25 k. That's LA rate.

I thought I would update on my experience so far. I had several girls who were interested in meeting for sex, for a small trade in pesos, of course, but narrowed it down to two ladies. One was 25 and a real looker with a pair of big boobs, which is kind of rare here on a slim girl. We video chatted a couple of times. However, when I left Japan for Manila, she went silent for a few days, after I left Manila. I know she did cam show, so I'm thinking that's all she really wanted (though I never did with her). The second was a very slim 23 year old. She was upfront, saying she wanted money for sex, within a few minutes of chatting. She was serious about meeting, staying in touch every step of the way.

She was a province girl, moving to Manila for work. She worked in a small store, and did this on the side, to support her daughter and family back in Mindanao. She said she had met a couple of other guys, but didn't do this often. I don't really care, and I told her that. I was looking for a good time. A friend is nice, but I don't need or want another girlfriend. I already have that.

We stayed together two nights after I first arrived. A good kisser, condom-optional. Really laid back and not telling sob stories or asking for more money. All of which makes me want to give a good tip, which I did. I left, and we kept chatting. Sexy chat and pictures. I ordered her lingerie and bikinis for our next meet, and she sent me pictures modeling it. When I was back in Manila a few weeks later, she came to my hotel again. It was like meeting an old lover. We had talked about things we wanted to do together, but those fantasies fell aside as we stripped each other down and made love. We fell asleep afterwards and I woke up to her kissing my neck, getting me ready to go again. I tipped her well before she left. She looked at me shocked. She said she was coming to see me and didn't expect payment. That shocked me, but I insisted she take it.

Yes, I'm sure this is more work than going to a bar, but I hate bars and crowds of people. This is more work than ordering an escort from Manila Courtesans (which I like) or Manila Asian Escorts. However, none of those girls text me sexy pictures out of the blue, either, so it is worth it for me. For three nights, all night, I put out 15 k. Maybe 17 k if you include the outfits I bought for her.

First, thanks to all the members here who helped me get established. Almost everything on this board sums up my experience here.

1. First event: Met a girl on WhatsApp, whose number was sent to me on PM from a fellow here. She was straight forward, 5 k for overnight. 4. 5 k for 2 shots 3 hours. She was tiny. Showered first, and was happy to receive. Was not very GFE, but also not cold. Was also happy to leave after 2 shots. (Inside an hour, she was too tight for me to make it last longer).

2. Second event: Met a girl on badoo who lived in Pampagas. Probably spelling that wrong, near Tarlac. She came to my hotel in Manila without my name, room number or phone number. Did not ask for money. Took her to a nice steak dinner, which cost me 18 k. She did not order anything expensive, just let me take lead. Back at the room, she was very GFE. Was a little hard to get to leave in the morning, but not too bad. Did not ask for money, but I gave her 5 k for the long car ride she took. She continues to WhatsApp, looking for a way out of here.

3. Third event. Massage parlors in the provinces. I was in a town of about 90 k for a bit, and found a nice 24 hour massage place that offered 600 p massages, and 2 k he. Probably overpaid. I think they were trying to be "friends" and visit the hotel later. Massages were ok, overall a good experience, I also found a legit massage place that gave the best massage I have ever had. I repeated there several times, but no hints of extras. Also, only 600 p.

4. Fourth event. LA Cafe Manila. Middle of the day, lots of freelancers. All 30's and not my thing. I think if I hung around until evening, it might have gotten better. Walking there was interesting. EVERY single trike driver was offering ladies. Walked to the mall and tried to figure out that scene. It wasn't until later when I was at the main entrance that I was approached continuously by a 45 yr old with a 25 yr old (my guess) offering two for ones. They were slightly less attractive than the freelancers in LA Cafe. Leaving the mall, I was approached by an older pair, offering a younger girl. They said she was 21 and had ID, I departed immediately, as it was the saddest thing I have ever seen.

5. Fifth event. Back at my hotel for the last night. Found a few on Badoo that were nearby, but they turned out to be elegant lady drinks girls at the casino lounges. I went to sleep alone, but happy to have experienced a bit of what some of the most active members here are always commenting on. I have read this thread for 10 years, and appreciate all of the contributions.

I can imagine that if you break into the scene a bit, it would be easy to pull endless sex for free, or at least without the upfrontness of Europe. Again, thanks!

So I was reading this article that prostitution is illegal in PI, and the way they get around it is by hiring entertainers and then charging a bar fine to the guy to take them out early. Does that mean most establishments in Manila don't have sex on site.

You bar fine the girl and take them to your hotel. Some establishments have rooms but I can honestly say I've never done it.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2839295]So I was reading this article that prostitution is illegal in PI, and the way they get around it is by hiring entertainers and then charging a bar fine to the guy to take them out early. Does that mean most establishments in Manila don't have sex on site.[/QUOTE]

Hey G.

Thanks much on the tip on Davao, pretty good find just on PL as of now. Whether a single or single mom both categories tend to have ample see compared to what I had in Manila and Iloilo. I tend to start fishing around and line them up at least 2/3 weeks ahead of time just for the simple fact of not staring at phone while supposed to be enjoying my time. I also knew few guys here in Canada who share the common interest 😉 and are from Davao. So let's see if they come in any help.

I did find few in Mindanao which I was told is / was a conflict zone! Maybe you know it better. Not sure if I want to head down to that direction! Also one of the MILF I had in Iloilo, her husband is deployed in Mindanao, so not sure if conflict still exists or just a precaution.

I'm going to reactivate my Philipino Cupid account just to checkout the scene. Let's see how luck turns out in there.

I had zero luck with Badoo in past and not sure if that's going to change much this time but will see. Definitely better than nothing.

One thing that slowly annoying me the most is, on third or fourth line, these girls stats asking for money with reason that beats the Hollywood scripts let's see how everything turns out. Will post details.

So far plan is to stay 5 nights in Davao and 4 in Manila before heading towards Jakarta. Ohh and definitely going to try you instagram hashtag.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2838685]Depends on what your definition of busty is. I'd agree that huge JJs are unicorns in PI. If DDs are sufficient then go to Davao as a CC cup is regarded as flat chested there. It's a big city but the attitudes are very provincial so expect the normal security blanket friend or platonic first date for some girls.

Open this old Photo Gallery post for an example of a Davaoena:

For non pros I would move to Filipino Cupid. It doesn't have a 'near me' feature but you can search down to city level. As usual, wait until you are in town and want to meet after work / school to reduce the number of flakes and no shows

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElBurroEsta;2839257]....... Took her to a nice steak dinner, which cost me 18 k.......[/QUOTE]Just confirming, that dinner cost you 18,000 P.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2839605]Just confirming, that dinner cost you 18,000 P.[/QUOTE]Thinking the OP meant p1,800?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2839449]

I did find few in Mindanao which I was told is / was a conflict zone! Maybe you know it better. Not sure if I want to head down to that direction! Also one of the MILF I had in Iloilo, her husband is deployed in Mindanao, so not sure if conflict still exists or just a precaution.

[/QUOTE]The conflict was very real with numerous killings of both locals and foreigners in the SW of the island. Officially, it's over but it would be wise to be very cautious. Many regard going west of a line joining CDO and Gensan as tempting fate. Perhaps it's better now but I'd be reluctant to prove a point.

Davao rightly so has the reputation as the safest city in PI. The Duerte family still rule the city with an iron fist.

As an aside, the far SW has Zamboanga City. It's probably the online scam capital of the PI as girls know that no one will be prepared to go there. Expect a gorgeous profile that soon descends into the usual "send me money for a flight to see you" scam.

Enjoy.

Hi Manila crew! Has anyone gone to the Ruths Chris is Manila? I heard you need to have reservations? Is the Steak any good compared to the USA?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2839607]Thinking the OP meant p1,800?[/QUOTE]Was taken to El Gaucho, with one beer, base steak, and a side price was 5 k. Would imagine it's easy to get to 18 k in these sorts of places if entertaining as a couple. Enjoyed El Gaucho very much, but not something I'd do often. Better value places to spend cash.

18000 pesos for two people is more than the tasty buffet at Okada Manila.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2839758]Was taken to El Gaucho, with one beer, base steak, and a side price was 5 k. Would imagine it's easy to get to 18 k in these sorts of places if entertaining as a couple. Enjoyed El Gaucho very much, but not something I'd do often. Better value places to spend cash.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2839856]18000 pesos for two people is more than the tasty buffet at Okada Manila.[/QUOTE]Yep, El Gaucho isn't the poshest place to go, but it's still easy to get to 18 k with meals and wine on offer. Check out the menu, most of starters are around 1 k alone. You can easily spend 5 k on a steak, then side dishes. Still exists so there must be enough people willing it pay it.

Unfortunately my trip to the Philippines got badly derailed after a fun first two weeks. Had a UTI followed by some general health issues which meant I didn't go out at all for the last 2 weeks. Did full STD testing at PULSE and surprisingly nothing other than the UTI, just extremely poor luck to get severely ill. Feel fine now but lost about 15 lbs over the 2 weeks and ended up getting a bad rash on my ass from sitting in bed and sweating just as I was starting to feel better! My fault on that to be fair.

Definitely if I went again I'd take some more precautions regarding STDs as I feel I got lucky to not get something more than a UTI as I was a bit reckless.

Overall I found Manila to be extremely fun and I'm annoyed I didn't get more of a chance to enjoy it and had to waste 2 weeks being ill. P Burgos was slightly underwhelming as someone who's not really into bar girls but if you are then you'll be more than fine. Feel like Manila lacks normal pubs / bars a bit but in fairness I didn't venture far from P Burgos so maybe my fault.

In terms of bars I liked Secret Door and H&J's the most. Also enjoyed this Mexican themed bar that was about 10 min walk from P Burgos, the name escapes me but I think it begins with an A, can't find it on Google Maps. But was a very young crowd in there, lots of girls (no workers), music that was my type. Unfortunately my Tinder date I met at that bar was not as special as her pics and a much hotter girl was flirting heavily with me after bumping into her downstairs while on the way to the toilet, couldn't bring myself to ditch the Tinder girl. Still a fun night and a cool spot a little bit off the beaten path.

Dating scene in Manila from Tinder at least was amazing, it pisses me off knowing how many easy lays I left on the table. One girl who stood out in particular is a model at conventions, events etc, super fit body and wanted me to come over and bang her because she was horny and her boyfriend is a long distance relationship, but I couldn't meet her due to feeling sick as a dog, gutted! PinaLove in my experience was way more girls looking to be paid than Tinder and overall PL was a waste of time for me, didn't meet anyone from there as I wasn't looking to pay when I could get girls for free from Tinder. Your mileage may vary.

Abacca Spa 4 hands massage for 2000 pesos I liked quite a lot as I'm a sucker for a massage and happy ending and the price is so cheap compared to Dubai.

Definitely want to go back and do a proper trip hitting some of the islands and feel like I have unfinished business in the Philippines. Just need to find a job where I can remote work permanently!

Until next time, peace.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2839869]......... I wasn't looking to pay when I could get girls for free from Tinder.....[/QUOTE]I take it you are somewhat young.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2839897]I take it you are somewhat young.[/QUOTE]Yes, mid-20's.

[QUOTE=Fever77;2839930]Yes, mid-20's.[/QUOTE]If you work towards getting promoted to regional APAC rep of your firm, you will be covering most of all our hobbying nations.

Otherwise, another route will be cyber security regional rep, pénétration tester (pun not intended, though funny), or GCP or AWS regional rep if you are IT based.

The traditional markets have suffered due to Covid.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2840026]If you work towards getting promoted to regional APAC rep of your firm, you will be covering most of all our hobbying nations.

Otherwise, another route will be cyber security regional rep, pntration tester (pun not intended, though funny), or GCP or AWS regional rep if you are IT based.

The traditional markets have suffered due to Covid.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately working in finance, wishing I went down the tech route everyday.

I'm taking a business trip to Manila soon and I've got in my mind I want to fuck some older women when I'm there. I'm thinking 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Anyone got any advice on how to go about this?

[QUOTE=Fever77;2840133]Unfortunately working in finance, wishing I went down the tech route everyday.[/QUOTE]Lots of CFO roles of international divisions available.

The CFO title is a bit inflated and misleading to ensure a work visa. More likely a manager level tasked with keeping internal corruption and past due receivables at tolerable levels. SG is also a major centre for 'marketing office' and other tax schemes.

Many of these guys are 20's /30's. Certainly no need to be 60 with 40 yrs experience.

Also, thanks for the good reports. Sorry that your fun was cut short.

Cheers. G.

Travelling to Manila for business soon. Looking to hook up with some older women, 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Where should I start?

[QUOTE=Fever77;2840133]Unfortunately working in finance, wishing I went down the tech route everyday.[/QUOTE]I work as a software engineer for one of the FAANG companies and sure there is a little more freedom but it is not as if we can live in the APAC region. For one your salary would be adjusted downward a lot and secondarily fully remote positions are for the most part still require you to within the same country due to tax complications otherwise.

[QUOTE=Snkar;2840207]Travelling to Manila for business soon. Looking to hook up with some older women, 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Where should I start?[/QUOTE]Try the online sites. I often get hits from the grandmas who I look at, shudder and delete. But to each their own!

[QUOTE=Snkar;2840207]Travelling to Manila for business soon. Looking to hook up with some older women, 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Where should I start?[/QUOTE]Start with seeing a shrink. LOL.

Just kidding.

[QUOTE=Snkar;2840197]I'm taking a business trip to Manila soon and I've got in my mind I want to fuck some older women when I'm there. I'm thinking 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Anyone got any advice on how to go about this?[/QUOTE]Make a tinder profile and use some boosts, I'm partial to an older women (although 50+ is pushing it) and got some likes from the range you're looking for (I set my age filters to 18-99+ as some young girls accidentally make their age super high) but the likes I got I had absolutely 0 interest in smashing. They exist though.

What do you guys think about so called regular clubs. When you go to these places, do you still feel it's has a lot of freelancers or are there really clubs in Manila that have no hookers. The more I rtff the more it seems that most attractive chicks are hookers in some fashion. What's your opinions.

[QUOTE=Snkar;2840207]Travelling to Manila for business soon. Looking to hook up with some older women, 50/60/70+, who knows. I want to get weird with it. Where should I start?[/QUOTE]Easiest way to do this are barfine mamasan's. They are on the menu but seldom barfined. I have on occasion barfined a younger mamasan 30 ish range but.

2nd way to do this and the best option almost like a nanay / lola gogo-bar is go to zumba classes. ([URL]https://manilabaybeach.com/zumba/[/URL]) do a quick search for Zumba in manila (example: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/lucy.frias.982/videos/239275988989294[/URL]).

Might seem like I'm mocking this guy but I'm not if you want old ladies this is how to do it. Tinder may be an option but nanay's and lola's have freaken nokias with the green screens still. The women are all giddy at zumba and very friendly. I have been very openly propositioned by these older ladies but I am there to find women that are under 35 so I don't partake in the riper fruit. Zumba IS the place to meet the women that can MOVE around and won't die during sex.

Pick up lines for Nanay's: Do you have a boyfriend?, Are you single? Are you available? If they receive them positively pretty much a lock.
You might get a REAL weird look when you make it back to the hotel though hope you are prepared for that.

I've been back in US for about a week now, and I wanted to share my experience. I posted on here about a sexy, thin 23 year-old that I spent three nights with while I was in Manila. She asked for money the first two nights, then I left for five weeks. She wanted to spend the night before I left Manila to come back to the US, and didn't expect payment, though I gave it to her anyway. It was easily some of the best sex in all my life, and well-worth it. She put on a real show before she left the next morning, crying and saying she would miss me until I come back again in a few months.

In the past week, she kept messaging me. She is actually quite enjoyable to talk to. We even video called a few times. The only thing she asked me for was if I could buy her daughter some 200 pedi shoes online. I have a serious girlfriend in the province, and she knows that. She said she really liked me and wasn't going to see anyone else before I came back. She wanted me to spend two nights with her then and not use a condom (because I always use one to play so I am safe and my girlfriend is safe, because we don't use one, and that is important to me). She basically wanted to be a second girlfriend, and said as much.

I waited a day and made a fake profile on Pinalove. No picture on my profile, and I searched her up. She had said she checked it once a week just to get rid of messages. I sent her a message asking if she was up for some "fun" when I came to visit in a few days. She replied soon with "sure," and gave her WhatsApp number. So I chatted her on there using a different phone.

I made up a persona the direct opposite of me. She said she wanted sex for money. I told her I hate condoms and refuse to use them, and she said that's fine, that she hates condoms too. I told her I was on a sex trip to have sex with as many women as I could in three weeks. She said that sounds like fun. I told her I love cream pies, and she said she loved them deep in her pussy, too. She asked to see her first, but I told her I had three already the day after I landed, and she said to save some cum for her.

My gut was 99% sure she was lying. I told her, when she said she wanted only to see me, that it was okay if she saw other men, as I wasn't there and had a girlfriend already. I would still see her in December, and we could still chat if she wanted. The only difference is I would still use a condom. But she was adamant that she wanted just me, and insisted on it while she told the fake profile how much she wanted him to creampie her. Guard what's important, guys.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2839202]Have you met anyone that actually pays 25 k. That's LA rate.[/QUOTE]No I did not. That's too much for me.

Thanks Aml3740 for such a vivid narrative to allow us to understand the value of words in PH.

It's sobering yet sad to know that showbiz is not just at Hollywood 😂.

Thanks, Victor.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2840625]I've been back in US for about a week now, and I wanted to share my experience. I posted on here about a sexy, thin 23 year-old that I spent three nights with while I was in Manila. She asked for money the first two nights, then I left for five weeks. She wanted to spend the night before I left Manila to come back to the US, and didn't expect payment, though I gave it to her anyway. It was easily some of the best sex in all my life, and well-worth it. She put on a real show before she left the next morning, crying and saying she would miss me until I come back again in a few months.

In the past week, she kept messaging me. She is actually quite enjoyable to talk to. We even video called a few times. The only thing she asked me for was if I could buy her daughter some 200 pedi shoes online. I have a serious girlfriend in the province, and she knows that. She said she really liked me and wasn't going to see anyone else before I came back. She wanted me to spend two nights with her then and not use a condom (because I always use one to play so I am safe and my girlfriend is safe, because we don't use one, and that is important to me). She basically wanted to be a second girlfriend, and said as much.

I waited a day and made a fake profile on Pinalove. No picture on my profile, and I searched her up. She had said she checked it once a week just to get rid of messages. I sent her a message asking if she was up for some "fun" when I came to visit in a few days. She replied soon with "sure," and gave her WhatsApp number. So I chatted her on there using a different phone.

I made up a persona the direct opposite of me. She said she wanted sex for money. I told her I hate condoms and refuse to use them, and she said that's fine, that she hates condoms too. I told her I was on a sex trip to have sex with as many women as I could in three weeks. She said that sounds like fun. I told her I love cream pies, and she said she loved them deep in her pussy, too. She asked to see her first, but I told her I had three already the day after I landed, and she said to save some cum for her.

My gut was 99% sure she was lying. I told her, when she said she wanted only to see me, that it was okay if she saw other men, as I wasn't there and had a girlfriend already. I would still see her in December, and we could still chat if she wanted. The only difference is I would still use a condom. But she was adamant that she wanted just me, and insisted on it while she told the fake profile how much she wanted him to creampie her. Guard what's important, guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2840625]I've been back in US for about a week now, and I wanted to share my experience. I posted on here about a sexy, thin 23 year-old that I spent three nights with while I was in Manila. She asked for money the first two nights, then I left for five weeks. She wanted to spend the night before I left Manila to come back to the US, and didn't expect payment, though I gave it to her anyway. It was easily some of the best sex in all my life, and well-worth it. She put on a real show before she left the next morning, crying and saying she would miss me until I come back again in a few months.

In the past week, she kept messaging me. She is actually quite enjoyable to talk to. We even video called a few times. The only thing she asked me for was if I could buy her daughter some 200 pedi shoes online. I have a serious girlfriend in the province, and she knows that. She said she really liked me and wasn't going to see anyone else before I came back. She wanted me to spend two nights with her then and not use a condom (because I always use one to play so I am safe and my girlfriend is safe, because we don't use one, and that is important to me). She basically wanted to be a second girlfriend, and said as much.

I waited a day and made a fake profile on Pinalove. No picture on my profile, and I searched her up. She had said she checked it once a week just to get rid of messages. I sent her a message asking if she was up for some "fun" when I came to visit in a few days. She replied soon with "sure," and gave her WhatsApp number. So I chatted her on there using a different phone.

I made up a persona the direct opposite of me. She said she wanted sex for money. I told her I hate condoms and refuse to use them, and she said that's fine, that she hates condoms too. I told her I was on a sex trip to have sex with as many women as I could in three weeks. She said that sounds like fun. I told her I love cream pies, and she said she loved them deep in her pussy, too. She asked to see her first, but I told her I had three already the day after I landed, and she said to save some cum for her.

My gut was 99% sure she was lying. I told her, when she said she wanted only to see me, that it was okay if she saw other men, as I wasn't there and had a girlfriend already. I would still see her in December, and we could still chat if she wanted. The only difference is I would still use a condom. But she was adamant that she wanted just me, and insisted on it while she told the fake profile how much she wanted him to creampie her. Guard what's important, guys.[/QUOTE]This is typical. My last trip one swore I was the love of her life, yeah right! I probably was until the next swinging dick walks in the bar she likes. Its business pure and simple. In the past when I was a newbie I often wondered how they could appear a GFE in such a short time, practice that's how. Example. A hottie I know on last trip says when checked in come to bar we party and barfine. Cool, I was excited as it had been 6 months since we visted. Airport travel hotel got to bar about 10 pm. There she sits all lovely dovie with a fat bald headed guy around 65 or so. She basically ignored me. I thought maybe shortly she'd dump him, nope, she changed and out the door they went. Next day she apologizes that he was a regular, what was I chopped liver. I'm guessing she had him on the hook for regular payments as no way in hell that guy in his life ever got women like that. Do I care nope. Next day I'm fucking her as before. When I got home she text me all the time I love you please come back. They must think we are really stupid, again do I care nope. Screw all of them you can while you're there and believe little or nothing of what they say or promise.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2839202]Have you met anyone that actually pays 25 k. That's LA rate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ManFromHeaven;2840729]No I did not. That's too much for me.[/QUOTE]I am not aware of anyone paying that. However I am sure that rich guys pay that all the time. As TjB said, its a big-city rate (and standard) for an hourly basis in the US. However, rich gents in the US pay at 2 x, or even 10 x, for Hi-priced girls in LA, Vegas, NY, and elsewhere. Recall the former NY governor (and former NY Attorney General) resigned around 2007-08; he had been paying a high-end escort agency and girls thousands $USD per hour for some years. I see no reason not to believe that the same thing would be done in the big smoke in Phils. The fact that its a poor country (which is what 2-week warriors see on their visits) does not mean that there aren't rich folk won't wave a hand to have opulence.

About a dozen years ago we had a discussion here similar. Runway models and influencers getting 10 k for ST. Also its not out of line for gents who are used to giving 25 k (or more, its only $500 USD) for an hour's clock-watched condom session with a young beauty in his country to do the same here. He secures her services and then gets something he didn't expect: An un-rushed, 4-hour, 2-pop extended session with a bubbly and loving girl, who never mentions a condom. P15 k was the previously agreed rate for a ST that was not time-discussed, and he got plenty more than he bargained for. He feels good about the session and would like to see her again, so he hands over a nice tip, totaling 25 k, which becomes their standard amount in the future. In his country, the same session would have cost $2000 (each hour is $500, regardless what happens, although many girls discount additional hours).

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2840625]My gut was 99% sure she was lying. I told her, when she said she wanted only to see me, that it was okay if she saw other men, as I wasn't there and had a girlfriend already. I would still see her in December, and we could still chat if she wanted. The only difference is I would still use a condom. But she was adamant that she wanted just me, and insisted on it while she told the fake profile how much she wanted him to creampie her. Guard what's important, guys.[/QUOTE]That's a great report. We have discussed for years the nature of the people here. Lying is part of every culture, but by comparison, its done more often here and an accepted part of life. You lie, and you forgive those who lie to you (in advance, its expected). Also we have discussed and painted pinoy as extremely opportunistic. They recognize a way to further themselves (or family, its all about their fam) and quickly exploit the situation to their advantage. Chameleon-like.

One of my first run-ins with this was a girl who had many foreign boyfriends. One of them got into her social media and email and found that multiple foreigners were sending her money. He contacted all of us. I was one of them, and the only one who had visited the girl. I must confess that is amazing opportunism. In her electronic communications she was saying I LOVE YOU (and I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU), and promising sex to all of them. That might seem unscrupulous to you, but here if you ask the locals about this, you might be surprised that they condone the behavior: "A girl needs to help her family". Its not unusual for girls here to have 'backup' boyfriends. Or alternately, different guys to satisfy different needs: 1 for love / sex, others for money.

We live and learn through the school of hard knocks. Forgive the girl, see her again. You already said that you were OK with her seeing other fellas. Its the lie that stabs. My advice is to not mention to her your alternate persona. Meet her and have the same fun that you had before. Leaver her other life out of it (as she does yours). A pretty girl says she wants to be your second GF? Dream come true? Say yes to the dress (and take it off as often as you can).

I dunno fellas. I can't relate to any of this talk. I've fallen into deep affection with many beautiful Philippinas. Bargirls and civilians. I never once felt that I had to test them for their fidelity to me. They all have their own needs and responsibilities. I respect that and engage in a 'don't ask don't tell policy'. This works for me. Don't give them a chance to lie by not asking them questions that would require them to lie. Have a good run with them and on the off chance, the one-in-a-million chance, that something more serious would develop, over many months of hooking up, then perhaps broach that subject. Anything other than that seems foolish to me.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2840872]Leaver her other life out of it (as she does yours).[/QUOTE]Very wise words but I don't think this resonates with some of the men here enough. Maybe it is something you need to learn first hand.

If a woman asks you for money at all you know exactly what kind of woman she is no need to ask her questions you don't REALLY want to know the answer to.

Gentlemen you are FREE from canceling, the Mee Too movement, instead of trying to do the same thing we run from in the west.

Its best to leave that baggage at home and enjoy your freedom. I am grateful for these girls doing what they do as I have had some of the happies years of my life in Phils. Instead of trying to out them being grateful that they showed up and were willing to invest time in pleasing you regardless of their situation I think understanding them is appropriate here.

If you are open with these women and don't try to expect them to lie they will also be open with their goings on. I have several working girls that I on occasion have sex with but they tell me about their lives and what they are doing to survive. This takes nothing away from them me wanting to see them or them wanting to see me if I'm in town. Find a way to enjoy yourself as it is much more fruitful. Use your energy on more positive / productive ventures imo.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2840874] I never once felt that I had to test them for their fidelity to me.[/QUOTE]I would say MOST men in the US have EXTREEMLY deep scars from the abuse that the western women put them through. Western women conduct "tests" like the one this guy posted weekly.

It honestly took me a few years early on to shake this conditioning off once I did life was much more fulfilling and "happy". 20+ years ago my GF in the US sent me an email asking how I was doing and I replied. "ITs SO GREAT HERE, TIME OF MY LIFE. " I came back to the US with everything I owned in a dumpster, but it was maybe the happiest I've ever been.

I did confront her, in a way. Not about everything, but just that I knew she was talking to other guys. She denied it, then admitted it and cried on video call, but said she was doing it just for money. And I told her that's fine. It really is. Just don't lie about it.

What I get with her is the best sex of my life when we are together. When we aren't together, we chat or video call throughout the day, even when I'm back in the US. She doesn't beg for money like most girls on dating sites. It isn't a bad setup.

I actually think she is jealous a bit. I like this hobby, for sure, but I really love my girlfriend and protect her. I always use condoms with other women so I don't have to with her. This girl was okay with it the first two times we met, and I told her why I always used condoms. Then, when I went to the province, she would text and say she wouldn't see anyone else so we wouldn't have to use them because she really liked me. But I still used it the last time we met. Now she says she wants to be my second girlfriend. We do talk all the time, and she sends me pictures and talks about having sec and cumming inside her because she loves me. Me using a condom is easier for her, so being jealous is the only idea I can come up with at this point.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2840887]I would say MOST men in the US have EXTREEMLY deep scars from the abuse that the western women put them through. Western women conduct "tests" like the one this guy posted weekly. [/QUOTE]Some do, yes. I have had a few women in my life that I've dated that tried to make me jump through hoops, or what I call, try to 'alpha female me'. I immediately peace out, not my jam babe, I'm not holding your purse, and I'm not doing your bidding just for the off chance that I might be able to have sex with you. I'll take you out, treat you well, buy you drinks and dinner, but I will not be your b1tch. They are often confused because these are women who are used to getting what they want. Truth is, they actually don't want a man who will hold their purse and jump through their hoops. So generally it works, they want you more. But I don't want them after this. Hopefully they learn. I have a very good female friend who tried this on me and now we are really really good platonic friends and she realizes the error of her ways when she was when she was younger. So there is hope.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2840625]I've been back in US for about a week now, and I wanted to share my experience. I posted on here about a sexy, thin 23 year-old that I spent three nights with while I was in Manila. She asked for money the first two nights, then I left for five weeks. She wanted to spend the night before I left Manila to come back to the US, and didn't expect payment, though I gave it to her anyway. It was easily some of the best sex in all my life, and well-worth it. She put on a real show before she left the next morning, crying and saying she would miss me until I come back again in a few months.

In the past week, she kept messaging me. She is actually quite enjoyable to talk to. We even video called a few times. The only thing she asked me for was if I could buy her daughter some 200 pedi shoes online. I have a serious girlfriend in the province, and she knows that. She said she really liked me and wasn't going to see anyone else before I came back. She wanted me to spend two nights with her then and not use a condom (because I always use one to play so I am safe and my girlfriend is safe, because we don't use one, and that is important to me). She basically wanted to be a second girlfriend, and said as much.

I waited a day and made a fake profile on Pinalove. No picture on my profile, and I searched her up. She had said she checked it once a week just to get rid of messages. I sent her a message asking if she was up for some "fun" when I came to visit in a few days. She replied soon with "sure," and gave her WhatsApp number. So I chatted her on there using a different phone..[/QUOTE]So many times I've been fucking a girl when her "BF" calls and I hear the lies. No honey, I no work bar. Yes honey I in province now. I love you. I miss you. All the time with my schlong buried in her pussy. I just laugh. And BTW how do you know you "serious" province girfriend isn't doing the same? Or fucking some local Pinoy? If you are not living in the Phils, she is not your girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2840958] so being jealous is the only idea I can come up with at this point.[/QUOTE]This is not really hard to figure out is it. This lady just tells you what she thinks you want to hear and she did it not once but twice. Lying in the Philippines like like a national past time. And this girl is trying to shift these lies to cater to what you want. If you shift the narrative to jealousy and she thinks you LIKE that she will gladly tell you she's jealous to make you feel right and empowered.

Staying with you without payment is not rare. Money is not the only currency. Their homes don't have AC, nor netflix, nor wifi, nor and food to speak of. Not really hard to see why they would want to stay with you if you are footing the bill on a lux vacation. If these girls come from pagpag area in tondo the food alone is a good enough reason to stay.

How common is deepthroat in Manila. Seems like the reports have a lot of it. Am I going to be pleasantly surprised at how good piñays are at oral.

I decided not to tag anyone simply for the fact of not chiming with one individual but needless to say, when it comes to Pina, one simple sentence "let her words fly over your head, you are there to have fun and give something in return" you got something they want and they got something we want. Oldest trade of humanity. Let's just leave it there.

Me personally, learned my lesson long time ago by sending money to help out and told myself then, never again. When it comes to sob stories, no other nationals can beat pina, why because the environment they are raised in made them that way. Like some say, a dinner in a good restaurant is worth a lot to them.

When it comes to loyalty of a pina, it is as strong as house made out of thinnest glass ever made. I have been to Philippines twice in my life and thanks to my buddies from Philippines and their connections, I slept with from 19 yrs old to 30 yrs old pina, both single and married with a army husband who can easily pass as Asian Rambo. Why these girls do these, well each has their own reason. We are not there to judge their reason or to write a novel about it. Come-Fuck-Fly is the only goal we have while making that trip.

I definitely appreciate all of your input and without us and our stories to educate each other, we wouldn't have gotten this far.

Thanks to G, Transporter and Westcoast for their pointers, without them and all of you brothers my next trip would've been Jakarta or KL or Saigon! Which only god knows how many times so far.

All these reminds me of a old man I met in Varadero, a log time ago, "you are here for a cheap fuck and stick to your prices and raise that number while you are reaching cloud nine Definitely not comparing Philippines 🇵127469; with Cuba 🇨127482; but same ideology.

Cheers and Happy Mongering.

Are the girly bars ktvs and other clubs smoke free?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2841204]I decided not to tag anyone simply for the fact of not chiming with one individual but needless to say, when it comes to Pina, one simple sentence "let her words fly over your head, you are there to have fun and give something in return" you got something they want and they got something we want. Oldest trade of humanity. Let's just leave it there.

Me personally, learned my lesson long time ago by sending money to help out and told myself then, never again. When it comes to sob stories, no other nationals can beat pina, why because the environment they are raised in made them that way. Like some say, a dinner in a good restaurant is worth a lot to them.

When it comes to loyalty of a pina, it is as strong as house made out of thinnest glass ever made. I have been to Philippines twice in my life and thanks to my buddies from Philippines and their connections, I slept with from 19 yrs old to 30 yrs old pina, both single and married with a army husband who can easily pass as Asian Rambo. Why these girls do these, well each has their own reason. We are not there to judge their reason or to write a novel about it. Come-Fuck-Fly is the only goal we have while making that trip.

I definitely appreciate all of your input and without us and our stories to educate each other, we wouldn't have gotten this far..[/QUOTE]So true. And from reading many others here are wise to the Filipina. The new ones will learn and hopefully take the lessons from these post. Some won't me included as there was no sites online when I started. Oh well, hard way works too.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2841134]How common is deepthroat in Manila. Seems like the reports have a lot of it. Am I going to be pleasantly surprised at how good piays are at oral.[/QUOTE]Analysis paralysis dude. So many questions. You either come and find out or not.

The long and short to your question depends on how long or short is your schlong?

There's guy on the AC thread complaining all Pinay pussies are too loose!

To answer TJBrazil.

YMMV, I had two single mom did that for additional tips, whatever agreed upon price was, I pulled out 500 pesos, placed it on the table and stated my desire, if they can perform the act, it's theirs, it was a struggle but mission accomplished.

Didn't have much luck with others. I had one non-pro told me she liked to be licked but don't like to do BJ, fucked her for 2 days then kicked her out one mystery yet to be solved about her, started with Condom and at the end of act, condom were nowhere to be found! Wasn't loose either. She even went to see her gynecologist to check if it's inside her.

Here is an important info for STD fearing bros, ever major cities has private clinics, go there, register for a fee and doctor will see you instantly since you paid cash and all the tests are done right there. Doctor even called me next evening to inform, I was negative. Total cost was probably 300 pesos.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2841324]Analysis paralysis dude. So many questions. You either come and find out or not.

The long and short to your question depends on how long or short is your schlong?

There's guy on the AC thread complaining all Pinay pussies are too loose![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2841134]How common is deepthroat in Manila. Seems like the reports have a lot of it. Am I going to be pleasantly surprised at how good piays are at oral.[/QUOTE]Nah, not possible.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2841324]Analysis paralysis dude. So many questions. You either come and find out or not.

The long and short to your question depends on how long or short is your schlong?

There's guy on the AC thread complaining all Pinay pussies are too loose![/QUOTE]Bought a ticket but it's a ways away.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2841052]So many times I've been fucking a girl when her "BF" calls and I hear the lies. No honey, I no work bar. Yes honey I in province now. I love you. I miss you. All the time with my schlong burried in her pussy. I just laugh. And BTW how do you know you "serious" province girlfriend isn't doing the same? Or fucking some local Pinoy? If you are not living in the Phils, she is not your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]Guys that think "their" hooker is different from all the other hookers are on a one way train to "Damm I fucked up again ville".

If you have a thing for the culture then find someone independently wealthy that does not need your money and turn on your charm. Otherwise it's "pay for play".

I have a buddy from California that met a Filipina in Dubai that was an engineer working for Emirates Airlines. Educated and independent. They hit it off and she moved to California.

Again, independent with no need for a human ATM. However, if your thing is to remain somewhat aloof from the fray and just enjoy a revolving door of noncommittal pussy, I suggest you look at the Angeles City thread and read posts from "Sailor Jack". They are entertaining and relevant.

Above all, go in with your eyes open and have a plan.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2841483]Guys that think "their" hooker is different from all the other hookers are on a one way train to "Damm I fucked up again ville".

If you have a thing for the culture then find someone independently wealthy that does not need your money and turn on your charm. Otherwise it's "pay for play".

I have a buddy from California that met a Filipina in Dubai that was an engineer working for Emirates Airlines. Educated and independent. They hit it off and she moved to California.

Again, independent with no need for a human ATM. However, if your thing is to remain somewhat aloof from the fray and just enjoy a revolving door of noncommittal pussy, I suggest you look at the Angeles City thread and read posts from "Sailor Jack". They are entertaining and relevant.

Above all, go in with your eyes open and have a plan.[/QUOTE]Just watch Caesar from 90 day fiancé and see what happens when you send money to people you think you're in love with. That will wake you up. Remember regular girls don't ask for money for sex. Regular girls don't ask you to marry them after a week.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2841590]Just watch Caesar from 90 day fiancee and see what happens when you send money to people you think you're in love with. That will wake you up. Remember regular girls don't ask for money for sex. Regular girls don't ask you to marry them after a week.[/QUOTE]Also, I don't blame the girls. They are in survival mode and have been taught by friends in the same boat how to run a con game. They know from experience that they are getting played by most foreigners they meet, so they respond with whatever it takes to cash in.

The common sequence of events for them is something like. Ignorant Cherry girl gets knocked up in province. Then she is off of the marriage market because Filipinos want to marry cherry girls. She leaves for Manila, Angeles City, Subic, etc. And joins the part-time hooker society while concurrently advertising as a "simple girl" looking for someone between 18-98 to marry her.

I have been going there since 1976 and that basic fact has never changed.

If you are ever thinking in the direction of getting married to these girls, do a reality check and look for the Filipino communities in your country and interact with them. Get a sense of the culture and what you can expect, as well as where you really fit in the marriage market.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2841685]Also, I don't blame the girls. [/QUOTE]I actively blame the guys for leading with their wallets and thinking it will work out well. Who sends thousands of dollars or even builds a house for a girl that they have never met?

Here's a wild thought: they should say they are flat broke and see which girls stick around. Any still there are far more likely to have honest intentions.

Enjoy. G.

Hey G,

Honor Among Thieves exists but loyalty among pinas, yet to see one for a foreigner. Their ultimate goal is to "Suck us dry by sucking us dry".

Here are some stories:

1. Rob, old white man, while going through divorce met a pina hag (55+) and deeply in love. As most of us knows, Pinas are well trained to prey on emotions, No difference here, rob works 2 full time job with heart condition while send money to build house for the hag, setup up a farm so that hag can live with her family there. Rob goes to Philippines to get married to the hag and brings hag here thinking life is going to be easy for Rob. Well, no shit Sherlock, Rob still pays for everything and works 2 full time job while hag saves her money to send it to Philippines.

2. Luc, young but somewhat mentally challenged, gets hitched to a fugly foreign worker pina and becomes dad. So far nice life right! Well pina waits until get her citizenship, goes to Philippines with luc, luc gets drunk and screws wife's cousin, fugly comes back to Canada, divorce luc and kicks him out of the house with a settlement of child support until daughter is 18. Remember that cousin of fugly that luc screwed, now she is here as a nanny to take care of lucs daughter, god must be crazy right.

3. Me, met a pina at supermarket, drop dead gorgeous with curves on right places. One thing to another, I'm in my place with her on top of me. Amazing view and no complaints there. Then starts the sob Pina stories of big family in San Fernando following a husband and daughter in Canada. Her income is not enough to support a family of 7 in Philippines and husband has the same scenario. Rates gets fixed to screw her for $100 at anytime in return I will help her send money to her family in Philippines discreetly.

4. Rowen, Philipino parents but born and raised in Canada. Goes to Philippines to visit grandparents and gets hitched to a Pina and gets married to her against families wishes. Rowen starts sending money to pina while pina screws around and gets reported to Rowens parents but Rowen is blinded with deep love sends money to buy her a car so that she can go to work comfortably! Pina comes to Canada, lives the moment of her life while Rowen gets drowned on debt fulfilling Pinas desire. Pina gets her citizenship, brings her family then finds a rich old man with cylinder, divorces Rowen and now she is probably counting days for old man to pass. Rowen, last time I saw him, asked me to borrow $100 to buy gas for his car to go to work.

Bros, if you still haven't learned anything from these and reading the whole forum, at least have some emergency funds for you to survive when shit hit the fan. She will get what she wants if you keep that channel open.

Cheers and Happy Safe Mongering.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2841704]I actively blame the guys for leading with their wallets and thinking it will work out well. Who sends thousands of dollars or even builds a house for a girl that they have never met?

Here's a wild thought: they should say they are flat broke and see which girls stick around. Any still there are far more likely to have honest intentions.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2841704]Here's a wild thought: they should say they are flat broke and see which girls stick around. Any still there are far more likely to have honest intentions.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I don't think that entirely reasonable. I don't think the 20 year old wives of the 70 year old retirees would be with them if they are entirely broke. But it may not be purely commercial either. Actually look up the Expat John saga on you tube. He was a dumb broke expat (well he didn't start out by being broke) who impregnated a 18 year old, married her etc. I think they are still married but who knows the real story. All I mean to say is that the women are trading youth and beauty for comfort and stability. You don't have to be a rich expat but an income of 2 k per month still provides a great life to a province girl who is not a hooker.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2841784]I don't think that entirely reasonable. I don't think the 20 year old wives of the 70 year old retirees would be with them if they are entirely broke. But it may not be purely commercial either. Actually look up the Expat John saga on you tube. He was a dumb broke expat (well he didn't start out by being broke) who impregnated a 18 year old, married her etc. I think they are still married but who knows the real story. All I mean to say is that the women are trading youth and beauty for comfort and stability. You don't have to be a rich expat but an income of 2 k per month still provides a great life to a province girl who is not a hooker.[/QUOTE]True. The 20 is likely to be gone real quick. Alternatively the 70 yo may have found the 1 in 1000 that will stick around through thick and thin. Similarly, he may wise up and find a less predatory 30 or 40 yo after the 20 yo bails. There are numerous options that would see grandpa happy for the long term and still with his finances intact.

Expat John is a good case of leading with his wallet. Had a small nest egg but blew it all on houses and family business opportunities from the very start. It's not hard to guess what happened when the cash flow stopped. For him, it literally became life threatening. It's not hard to imagine the worst happening if the expat / YouTube community didn't step in when it did.

I don't want to be too harsh as I suspect he had other mental health issues or at least wasn't too bright but, again, if he didn't lead with an outflow of cash as the basis of the relationship, then it could have gone one of two ways: 1/ she ran as soon as there was no money forthcoming or 2/ she / the family became conditioned to much lower funding and everyone lived happily ever after. Either way, he would have been spared a lot of anguish, health issues and poverty.

Enjoy. G.

Hey Mr Z.

Love your remarkable remarks on double sucking.

So vivid, true, hilarious, but sobering both heads.

Victor.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2841770]Hey G,

Honor Among Thieves exists but loyalty among pinas, yet to see one for a foreigner. Their ultimate goal is to "Suck us dry by sucking us dry".

Here are some stories:

1. Rob, old white man, while going through divorce met a pina hag (55+) and deeply in love. As most of us knows, Pinas are well trained to prey on emotions, No difference here, rob works 2 full time job with heart condition while send money to build house for the hag, setup up a farm so that hag can live with her family there. Rob goes to Philippines to get married to the hag and brings hag here thinking life is going to be easy for Rob. Well, no shit Sherlock, Rob still pays for everything and works 2 full time job while hag saves her money to send it to Philippines.

2. Luc, young but somewhat mentally challenged, gets hitched to a fugly foreign worker pina and becomes dad. So far nice life right! Well pina waits until get her citizenship, goes to Philippines with luc, luc gets drunk and screws wife's cousin, fugly comes back to Canada, divorce luc and kicks him out of the house with a settlement of child support until daughter is 18. Remember that cousin of fugly that luc screwed, now she is here as a nanny to take care of lucs daughter, god must be crazy right.

3. Me, met a pina at supermarket, drop dead gorgeous with curves on right places. One thing to another, I'm in my place with her on top of me. Amazing view and no complaints there. Then starts the sob Pina stories of big family in San Fernando following a husband and daughter in Canada. Her income is not enough to support a family of 7 in Philippines and husband has the same scenario. Rates gets fixed to screw her for $100 at anytime in return I will help her send money to her family in Philippines discreetly.

4. Rowen, Philipino parents but born and raised in Canada. Goes to Philippines to visit grandparents and gets hitched to a Pina and gets married to her against families wishes. Rowen starts sending money to pina while pina screws around and gets reported to Rowens parents but Rowen is blinded with deep love sends money to buy her a car so that she can go to work comfortably! Pina comes to Canada, lives the moment of her life while Rowen gets drowned on debt fulfilling Pinas desire. Pina gets her citizenship, brings her family then finds a rich old man with cylinder, divorces Rowen and now she is probably counting days for old man to pass. Rowen, last time I saw him, asked me to borrow $100 to buy gas for his car to go to work.

Bros, if you still haven't learned anything from these and reading the whole forum, at least have some emergency funds for you to survive when shit hit the fan. She will get what she wants if you keep that channel open.

Cheers and Happy Safe Mongering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2841770]...... Rowen starts sending money to pina while pina screws around and gets reported to Rowens parents but Rowen is blinded with deep love .......[/QUOTE]What I'd like to know is who reported Pina to Rowen's parents?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2841770]Hey G,

Honor Among Thieves exists but loyalty among pinas, yet to see one for a foreigner. Their ultimate goal is to "Suck us dry by sucking us dry".

Here are some stories:

1. Rob, old white man, while going through divorce met a pina hag (55+) and deeply in love. As most of us knows, Pinas are well trained to prey on emotions, No difference here, rob works 2 full time job with heart condition while send money to build house for the hag, setup up a farm so that hag can live with her family there. Rob goes to Philippines to get married to the hag and brings hag here thinking life is going to be easy for Rob. Well, no shit Sherlock, Rob still pays for everything and works 2 full time job while hag saves her money to send it to Philippines.

2. Luc, young but somewhat mentally challenged, gets hitched to a fugly foreign worker pina and becomes dad. So far nice life right! Well pina waits until get her citizenship, goes to Philippines with luc, luc gets drunk and screws wife's cousin, fugly comes back to Canada, divorce luc and kicks him out of the house with a settlement of child support until daughter is 18. Remember that cousin of fugly that luc screwed, now she is here as a nanny to take care of lucs daughter, god must be crazy right.

3. Me, met a pina at supermarket, drop dead gorgeous with curves on right places. One thing to another, I'm in my place with her on top of me. Amazing view and no complaints there. Then starts the sob Pina stories of big family in San Fernando following a husband and daughter in Canada. Her income is not enough to support a family of 7 in Philippines and husband has the same scenario. Rates gets fixed to screw her for $100 at anytime in return I will help her send money to her family in Philippines discreetly.

4. Rowen, Philipino parents but born and raised in Canada. Goes to Philippines to visit grandparents and gets hitched to a Pina and gets married to her against families wishes. Rowen starts sending money to pina while pina screws around and gets reported to Rowens parents but Rowen is blinded with deep love sends money to buy her a car so that she can go to work comfortably! Pina comes to Canada, lives the moment of her life while Rowen gets drowned on debt fulfilling Pinas desire. Pina gets her citizenship, brings her family then finds a rich old man with cylinder, divorces Rowen and now she is probably counting days for old man to pass. Rowen, last time I saw him, asked me to borrow $100 to buy gas for his car to go to work.

Bros, if you still haven't learned anything from these and reading the whole forum, at least have some emergency funds for you to survive when shit hit the fan. She will get what she wants if you keep that channel open.

Cheers and Happy Safe Mongering.[/QUOTE]Here's another one.

5. In 2010, at 41 years old, I meet a gorgeous 20-year-old spinner from Davao, fall in love, bring her to the US, and marry her. I treated her like a queen, took her on a cruise, took her to Europe, and helped her get her US citizenship. Shortly thereafter, she starts acting really cold (thank God, no kids) and she pretends that I abused her, and finds an idiot lawyer trying to get me to pay support and her attorney's fees. Fortunately, I am also a reputable divorce attorney, so I go to work. I completely discredit her allegations, find evidence of her cheating with some military guy. The court denies her support, her lawyer gets no fees and dumps her case, and her boyfriend also dumps her. She comes back begging to me, but I change the locks and finalize the divorce, and she's now mooching from friends, still deep in debt. I learned my lesson.

Since then, I've been back to the Philippines multiple times, had numerous awesome girlfriends (no pros), but NEVER even think about marrying or sending money again! Sure, we'll have a nice time while I'm there for 2-3 weeks, going to Boracay or whatever. Then dump her and on to some fresh meat for next time. Maybe I'm a heel for this, but I do love the romance, not the baggage.

RG.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2841770]
Honor Among Thieves exists but loyalty among pinas, yet to see one for a foreigner. Their ultimate goal is to "Suck us dry by sucking us dry".
[/QUOTE]They "Suck dry" Philippino guys far worse so its not just foreigners. Pinays take every single peso the pinoys make. This IS their culture in fact they have laws that we don't have to support this practice.

Their are specific laws in phils that make it NOT a crime to steal from family. Be glad you are not a philipino man.

The specific laws that make it not a crime to steal from your family are:

Article 332 of the Revised Penal Code, which states that "no person shall be criminally liable for theft, swindling or malicious mischief committed against ascendants, descendants, legitimate or illegitimate brothers or sisters, or the spouse, if living together. ".

Republic Act No. 10951, which amended Article 332 of the Revised Penal Code to include "brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law, if living together" as persons who are not criminally liable for theft, swindling, or malicious mischief committed against them.

These laws are controversial, as some people believe that they encourage family members to commit crimes against each other without fear of punishment. However, others argue that the laws are necessary to protect family solidarity and prevent families from being torn apart by criminal prosecution.

In 2018, a woman in the Philippines was able to sue her boyfriend for financial support after he was diagnosed with a terminal illness. The court ruled in her favor and ordered the boyfriend to pay her P20,000 per month in support until his death.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2841982]The court denies her support, her lawyer gets no fees and dumps her case, and her boyfriend also dumps her. She comes back begging to me, but I change the locks and finalize the divorce, and she's now mooching from friends, still deep in debt. I learned my lesson.[/QUOTE]I take it you don't live in a no-fault divorce state?

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2841982]SNIP but I do love the romance, not the baggage.[/QUOTE]More better words tain't never been spok'd. Come back sometime RG. Hang your shingle, set up a temporary vaxxing clinic, spread your romance about Manila and Boracay, and tell us some more stories.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2841996]I take it you don't live in a no-fault divorce state?

More better words tain't never been spok'd. Come back sometime RG. Hang your shingle, set up a temporary vaxxing clinic, spread your romance about Manila and Boracay, and tell us some more stories.[/QUOTE]I live in a state that allows both "fault" and "no fault" options. Most cases are "no fault," but I ended up defaulting my ex-wife, so the divorce decree stated that my divorce was granted based on my ex's adultery.

I generally work like hell when I'm home in the US making money, then fly to the Philippines every 3 months or so for 3 weeks at a time. I try to avoid Manila, and prefer to find girls in the provinces, like Bohol or (last time) near Surigao City. I don't make promises of marriage, but I don't rule out the possibility either (though I know that won't happen), so girls are motivated to be like real girlfriends, not P4 P short timers. I love the romance for 3 weeks at a time, then move on. If I feel guilty about that, I just remember my ex and how that biatch transformed herself after she became a US citizen.

RG.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842023]I live in a state that allows both "fault" and "no fault" options. Most cases are "no fault," but I ended up defaulting my ex-wife, so the divorce decree stated that my divorce was granted based on my ex's adultery.

I generally work like hell when I'm home in the US making money, then fly to the Philippines every 3 months or so for 3 weeks at a time. I try to avoid Manila, and prefer to find girls in the provinces, like Bohol or (last time) near Surigao City. I don't make promises of marriage, but I don't rule out the possibility either (though I know that won't happen), so girls are motivated to be like real girlfriends, not P4 P short timers. I love the romance for 3 weeks at a time, then move on. If I feel guilty about that, I just remember my ex and how that biatch transformed herself after she became a US citizen.

RG.[/QUOTE]Do you meet them online in the provinces or just run around the jungles looking for hot 21 year olds. How does it work.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2841982]Here's another one.

5. In 2010, at 41 years old, I meet a gorgeous 20-year-old spinner from Davao, fall in love, bring her to the US, and marry her. I treated her like a queen, took her on a cruise, took her to Europe, and helped her get her US citizenship. Shortly thereafter, she starts acting really cold (thank God, no kids) and she pretends that I abused her, and finds an idiot lawyer trying to get me to pay support and her attorney's fees. Fortunately, I am also a reputable divorce attorney, so I go to work. I completely discredit her allegations, find evidence of her cheating with some military guy. The court denies her support, her lawyer gets no fees and dumps her case, and her boyfriend also dumps her. She comes back begging to me, but I change the locks and finalize the divorce, and she's now mooching from friends, still deep in debt. I learned my lesson.

Since then, I've been back to the Philippines multiple times, had numerous awesome girlfriends (no pros), but NEVER even think about marrying or sending money again! Sure, we'll have a nice time while I'm there for 2-3 weeks, going to Boracay or whatever. Then dump her and on to some fresh meat for next time. Maybe I'm a heel for this, but I do love the romance, not the baggage.

RG.[/QUOTE]You are a divorce attorney and still married a chick in the US. That's like a prison guard marrying a serial killer under her watch. "Ted has changed. He has found god, and is really sweet. ".

Million dollar question, Her BFFL, apparently she had a love at first sight crush on Rowen and her conscious grew when she caught her red handed with her brother BFFL thought she could get hitched to Rowen if she could shame Rowens ex.

Shall we call it dog eating dogs or mantis eating mantis, yours to decide.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2841936]What I'd like to know is who reported Pina to Rowen's parents?[/QUOTE]

Way to go buddy, happy for you. At least some sort of justice was served and no other punishment can be as severe as financially crippling a pina.

Here is another one for all.

6, My first pina scam: 2016, I decided to go to visit Philippines for 10 days just to test the water. After a brief Google search, I came across Philipino Cupid which was the happening thing then plus BP. I get to research and in no time found a Christ loving reborn pina who used to work as a nanny in one of those 3 high rise building across green belt 2 (unless I'm mistaking green belt number). I had few lined up including my 1. Spinner from iloilo and I get to action 2. Was a shrimp who didn't like to give head but loves to receive it, well I kicked her out next day, damage was 2 k pesos including food and taxi with an assurance, I will take her and her family to Baguio (LMAO). 3. Christ loving reborn, before proceeding to main story, I was dumb enough to send her money to help her with her rent and other expenses, first time for every one right! Back to main story, she comes in 8/9 pm in the evening, looking exhausted from work all day and after first shag, she wanted to sleep. No complaints here as I already had first round from shrimp on that day as her departing gift, I fell asleep while watching Tv and sipping my Tulamore.

I woke up at around 9 am to find her sitting on the balcony and talking on the phone. I went to washroom leaving my phone on the charger and decided to take a shower. Upon returning to the bedroom, I see her all dressed up and in a hurry to leave with an excuse "mom is sick and I need to go to QC". Me somewhat disappointed but said goodbye to her and trying to move up the schedule on number 4 .

While coordinating all that, I received an email notifying "my western union funds has been successfully received" I was in shock logged into my bank app to see, there was a $989 sent to her name and there was no way in hell I did that and to my surprise, there was 4 more pending transactions under her name which was going to get cleared in next 5 days. Luckily, my bank had a limit of $999/ day of western union transfer. I immediately cancelled those transactions and jumped to see if I still had 5 k php cash in my shorts pocket which at that moment didn't seem a big of an amount compared to what I just had lost. She sent me a msg week later saying sorry and she will pay me back and she did that just to take care of her mom and also wants to know if I had any STD because every time she pees it burns like hell, LMAO. I answered, I'm being diagnosed with parasites infection and gonorrhea and she should seek medical help from a private clinic because govt hospitals treatment might damage her health. She started her shame game stating how could I have done that to her and cheat on her and blah blah blah. At least some of that stolen money went to her treatment.

Remember my number 2 shrimp, apparently she had UTI which she admitted later on and I must've caught it from her and passed it on to the thief. O well, there is some sort of justice from holly father I'm guessing.

Un answered further question: how she get to my app, well dumb fuck me 2 x must've used my pin to unlock my phone in front of her. Lesson learned.

Cheers brothers and happy safe Mongering.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2841982]Here's another one.

5. In 2010, at 41 years old, I meet a gorgeous 20-year-old spinner from Davao, fall in love, bring her to the US, and marry her. I treated her like a queen, took her on a cruise, took her to Europe, and helped her get her US citizenship. Shortly thereafter, she starts acting really cold (thank God, no kids) and she pretends that I abused her, and finds an idiot lawyer trying to get me to pay support and her attorney's fees. Fortunately, I am also a reputable divorce attorney, so I go to work. I completely discredit her allegations, find evidence of her cheating with some military guy. The court denies her support, her lawyer gets no fees and dumps her case, and her boyfriend also dumps her. She comes back begging to me, but I change the locks and finalize the divorce, and she's now mooching from friends, still deep in debt. I learned my lesson.

Since then, I've been back to the Philippines multiple times, had numerous awesome girlfriends (no pros), but NEVER even think about marrying or sending money again! Sure, we'll have a nice time while I'm there for 2-3 weeks, going to Boracay or whatever. Then dump her and on to some fresh meat for next time. Maybe I'm a heel for this, but I do love the romance, not the baggage.

RG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2841994]These laws are controversial, as some people believe that they encourage family members to commit crimes against each other without fear of punishment. However, others argue that the laws are necessary to protect family solidarity and prevent families from being torn apart by criminal prosecution.[/QUOTE]Because family solidarity is always strong when you're thieving from each other. I know of lots of cases of stuff like this happening with very little repercussion. One person's mum died, the family house passed to her and sister, sister faked the friends signature to sell the house and keep all money herself. Friend had to buy back the family house from the new owner, sister gave none of money back.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842023]I live in a state that allows both "fault" and "no fault" options. Most cases are "no fault," but I ended up defaulting my ex-wife, so the divorce decree stated that my divorce was granted based on my ex's adultery.

I generally work like hell when I'm home in the US making money, then fly to the Philippines every 3 months or so for 3 weeks at a time. I try to avoid Manila, and prefer to find girls in the provinces, like Bohol or (last time) near Surigao City. I don't make promises of marriage, but I don't rule out the possibility either (though I know that won't happen), so girls are motivated to be like real girlfriends, not P4 P short timers. I love the romance for 3 weeks at a time, then move on. If I feel guilty about that, I just remember my ex and how that ***** transformed herself after she became a US citizen.

RG.[/QUOTE]" I love the romance for 3 weeks at a time, then move on. " I can see why you were so determined to have the courts find your ex as an adulterer. You are pure as Ivory Snow (remembering that Marilyn Chambers was once pictured on the Ivory Snow box). Such innocence!

My all time favorite the other way was on 90 day fiancé when this Brazilian girl thinks she hooked a rich American white guy. Come to find out he was a broke loser convicted felon with no job. She doesn't know this until she comes to America, and sees the shack he lives in and realizes she is worse off in America. This is them trying to upgrade their housing. LOL.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6vHYdw1t0M&pp=ygUjOTAgZGF5IGZpYW5jZSBwYXVsIGFuZCBrYXJpbmUgaG91c2U%3D[/URL]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842027]Do you meet them online in the provinces or just run around the jungles looking for hot 21 year olds. How does it work.[/QUOTE]My modus operandi is, I find a bunch of 18-22 year olds on Tinder and start chatting about 3-4 weeks before my trip, screen out all but 4-5 and chat with them on FB or WhatsApp, then finally settle on one I want to meet in person. My last one, I met her in Surigao City, spent a couple of days there, then took her to Boracay.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842029]You are a divorce attorney and still married a chick in the US. That's like a prison guard marrying a serial killer under her watch. "Ted has changed. He has found god, and is really sweet. ".[/QUOTE]Tell me about it. More like a medical doctor who is a chain smoker. LOL.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2842062]" I love the romance for 3 weeks at a time, then move on. " I can see why you were so determined to have the courts find your ex as an adulterer. You are pure as Ivory Snow (remembering that Marilyn Chambers was once pictured on the Ivory Snow box). Such innocence![/QUOTE]I wasn't a monger when I married my Filipina ex-wife. I was always loyal and faithful. My wild times came later.

RG.

Don't know how you do 1 chick for 3 weeks unless I read it wrong! I barely keep 1 chick for more than 2-3 days with an excuse of going to another city for work which does happens a lot though but if I'm in Manila for 10 days, I would have lined up at least 5-6 and 1 would be back up. Can't tolerate the same one for more than 2 max would be 3. I do switch places in between just for the sake of avoiding unexpected drama.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842078]My modus operandi is, I find a bunch of 18-22 year olds on Tinder and start chatting about 3-4 weeks before my trip, screen out all but 4-5 and chat with them on FB or WhatsApp, then finally settle on one I want to meet in person. My last one, I met her in Surigao City, spent a couple of days there, then took her to Boracay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842080]Tell me about it. More like a medical doctor who is a chain smoker. LOL.[/QUOTE]When you found out Paul McCartney married his hooker second wife without a prenuptial, were you like "nooooooo" LOL.

Why do some prenups get thrown out and some like Trumps always hold up in court when challenged.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842098]When you found out Paul McCartney married his hooker second wife without a prenuptial, were you like "nooooooo" LOL.

Why do some prenups get thrown out and some like Trumps always hold up in court when challenged.[/QUOTE]I don't know about Trump's prenup, but in my work, I have frequently had prenups thrown out by the court. Usually, the problem is procedural irregularities. If you decide to marry someone and want a prenup to stand the best chance of being enforceable, make sure your prospective wife has her own legal representation and opportunity to be advised before signing the prenup. Problems arise when a husband simply whips out a prenup, drags is fiancée to a notary, and tells her to sign it, without her having the opportunity to read it or consider it with legal counsel. Those are easy to get thrown out.

RG.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842087]Don't know how you do 1 chick for 3 weeks unless I read it wrong! I barely keep 1 chick for more than 2-3 days with an excuse of going to another city for work which does happens a lot though but if I'm in Manila for 10 days, I would have lined up at least 5-6 and 1 would be back up. Can't tolerate the same one for more than 2 max would be 3. I do switch places in between just for the sake of avoiding unexpected drama.[/QUOTE]That's simply my preference. I'm more into quality rather than quantity. I'd rather have a deep, erotic girlfriend experience with one gorgeous babe for three weeks, seeeing her getting enamored with me, as opposed to brief sexual interludes with multiple girls. To each their own, I suppose.

RG.

Well said sir I tried that once with my Indonesian MILF, only lasted 5 days and I was bored out of my mind. Maybe something to try with a pina just to see how I make out of it. Thanks for the inspiration.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842212]That's simply my preference. I'm more into quality rather than quantity. I'd rather have a deep, erotic girlfriend experience with one gorgeous babe for three weeks, seeeing her getting enamored with me, as opposed to brief sexual interludes with multiple girls. To each their own, I suppose.

RG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842230]Well said sir I tried that once with my Indonesian MILF, only lasted 5 days and I was bored out of my mind. Maybe something to try with a pina just to see how I make out of it. Thanks for the inspiration.[/QUOTE]I have no interest in MILFs or girls who have had kids. I like them young, petite, and tight. My 3 weeks with my young spinner from Surigao City went by too fast. She had a hyper-charged sex drive. Admittedly, I was tempted to propose to her, but I learned the hard way that the US changes these girls. Better to have the awesome memories and move on to a new chickie. 😊.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842212]That's simply my preference. I'm more into quality rather than quantity. I'd rather have a deep, erotic girlfriend experience with one gorgeous babe for three weeks, seeeing her getting enamored with me, as opposed to brief sexual interludes with multiple girls. To each their own, I suppose.

RG.[/QUOTE]Who said it has to be one or the other? 😜.

I've had numerous multi day or even multi week liaisons that have been topped up with short time hookups while she is back at work / home for the day. Best of both worlds.

I'd certainly agree that if a girl is telling me the right lies or pressing the right buttons then there is no reason to change her out simply to have a new face.

I'd also agree with your comment about memories. The only thing is keep them as memories and don't go back and try to relive the past. It always disappoints. Chasing the dragon is never as good as the first hit.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842029]You are a divorce attorney and still married a chick in the US. That's like a prison guard marrying a serial killer under her watch. "Ted has changed. He has found god, and is really sweet. ".[/QUOTE]This is an excellent discussion thread with sage advice. Everyone contemplating marriage in the PI should read it twice. Intra-cultural marriages are risky ventures whatever the nationality. Add in an income and age disparity and the risk is higher.

The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices.

If you are looking for true romance then you are in the wrong place. Join a church in your home country and find a nice parishioner.

One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines. They are past their "Sell-By" date, and are essentially desperate leftover women. In this world, men control access to marriage, women control access to relationships (hookers excluded as that's not a relationship). Don't waste your pick for a long term partner on leftovers.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2842326]This is an excellent discussion thread with sage advice. Everyone contemplating marriage in the PI should read it twice. Intra-cultural marriages are risky ventures whatever the nationality. Add in an income and age disparity and the risk is higher.

The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices.

If you are looking for true romance then you are in the wrong place. Join a church in your home country and find a nice parishioner.

One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines. They are past their "Sell-By" date, and are essentially desperate leftover women. In this world, men control access to marriage, women control access to relationships (hookers excluded as that's not a relationship). Don't waste your pick for a long term partner on leftovers.[/QUOTE]I'm not looking for "true" romance in the Philippines, but I enjoy my 3-week flings to be romantic, which is why I'm not into bargirls or P4 P types. I've had those, but they always were disappointing. I'll never overtly lie to girls, by promising marriage, etc. , but I won't tell them it's impossible either. So perhaps I'm lying by omission, so to speak, because they'll then make all sorts of efforts to make me fall in love with them. Yes, perhaps this is dirty pool, but I don't care.

RG.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2842326]The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices..[/QUOTE]Faaaark. Tell me you've been burnt without saying you've been burnt. 😜.

Yes, there are many disastrous mixed marriages but there is also a silent majority of successful ones too. A mongering bulletin board is probably not the best place to go looking for the later.

FWIW, here are some risk factors that I've noticed to both.

Horror stories:

1/. Fall in love after 2 weeks online or in country. Have no awareness of wider PI culture or her values specifically.

2/. Immediately shower her with gifts / use $$ as the main attractant.

3/. Use looks and hotness as the primary selection criterion.

4/. Buy houses, businesses, jewellery etc in country. Lots of sunk costs that are easily garnished by her and require no continued presence by him.

Success stories:

1/. Long term commitment after months in country and getting to know her on a daily basis.

2/. Lots in common for the other 97% of the day.

3/. A 'normal' girl met in 'normal' circumstances. Not online, in a bar etc. Her friends are employed and mostly married to pinoys, not churning thru foreign boyfriends on a weekly basis.

4/. Obviously net worth is likely to be very different but similar social standing, education level and <10 yrs age gap.

5/. Family disasters etc are paid out of her salary / bank account / allowances, not automatically handed to him. Many see no family payments at all.

Most of all, if every girl the guy meets is a money hungry scammer, then perhaps it's not the girls' fault?? Maybe he's just not looking in the right areas. It's great fun to hook up for a few days or weeks but no one is holding a gun to guys' heads to turn this into forever.

Sure there are guys like RG who, despite doing the right things, are still unlucky. I feel for those guys. But there are also many others who ignore the most glaring warning signs and still charge ahead. For those, I have no sympathy.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. For those saying they don't have months to spend in country, then simply don't commit. Come for fun and go back home. If you can't prioritise a few months to make a lifelong commitment, then just don't make that commitment. It will save a lot of $$ and stress.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2842326]One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines. [/QUOTE]If this is true, then the guy is looking in the wrong place for a LTR. Broke single moms are great for a night or two of fun. Anything longer or more permanent should be sourced elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.

G.

After your advice on PL and Davao, I must've collected at least a dozen of single moms! Are these by product of some hidden fuck fest that I didn't know about or does Filipino follows Amish culture strictly 😅. Some of them has 4/5 brothers and sisters.

On another topic, what's up with the "paid drinking companion scam!" Wouldn't buzz for P4 P but will take money to drink with me and then decide whether to spread the legs for another fees!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842373]If this is true, then the guy is looking in the wrong place for a LTR. Broke single moms are great for a night or two of fun. Anything longer or more permanent should be sourced elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842348]I'm not looking for "true" romance in the Philippines, but I enjoy my 3-week flings to be romantic, which is why I'm not into bargirls or P4 P types. I've had those, but they always were disappointing. I'll never overtly lie to girls, by promising marriage, etc. , but I won't tell them it's impossible either. So perhaps I'm lying by omission, so to speak, because they'll then make all sorts of efforts to make me fall in love with them. Yes, perhaps this is dirty pool, but I don't care.

RG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842369]Faaaark. Tell me you've been burnt without saying you've been burnt. 😜.

Yes, there are many disastrous mixed marriages but there is also a silent majority of successful ones too. A mongering bulletin board is probably not the best place to go looking for the later.

FWIW, here are some risk factors that I've noticed to both.

Horror stories:

1/. Fall in love after 2 weeks online or in country. Have no awareness of wider PI culture or her values specifically.

2/. Immediately shower her with gifts / use $$ as the main attractant.

3/. Use looks and hotness as the primary selection criterion.

4/. Buy houses, businesses, jewellery etc in country. Lots of sunk costs that are easily garnished by her and require no continued presence by him.

Success stories:

1/. Long term commitment after months in country and getting to know her on a daily basis.

2/. Lots in common for the other 97% of the day.

3/. A 'normal' girl met in 'normal' circumstances. Not online, in a bar etc. Her friends are employed and mostly married to pinoys, not churning thru foreign boyfriends on a weekly basis.

4/. Obviously net worth is likely to be very different but similar social standing, education level and <10 yrs age gap.

5/. Family disasters etc are paid out of her salary / bank account / allowances, not automatically handed to him. Many see no family payments at all.

Most of all, if every girl the guy meets is a money hungry scammer, then perhaps it's not the girls' fault?? Maybe he's just not looking in the right areas. It's great fun to hook up for a few days or weeks but no one is holding a gun to guys' heads to turn this into forever.

Sure there are guys like RG who, despite doing the right things, are still unlucky. I feel for those guys. But there are also many others who ignore the most glaring warning signs and still charge ahead. For those, I have no sympathy.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. For those saying they don't have months to spend in country, then simply don't commit. Come for fun and go back home. If you can't prioritise a few months to make a lifelong commitment, then just don't make that commitment. It will save a lot of $$ and stress.[/QUOTE]Man, some people are really jaded by life, and I get it. My first marriage (not to pinay) ended after 15 years and numerous affairs by her, her giving me a std because she didn't have the decency to use a fucking condom even, and then deciding that she was a lesbian and moving her girlfriend in. I stuck it out as long as I could because divorce laws suck in no-fault states and, even though I was honestly faithful that entire time, I still had no realistic shot at physical custody and owe an exorbitant amount of money in child support each month. I will always support my kids, but it sucks to pay and not see them everyday.

My "serious province girlfriend" I spoke of earlier is actually my wife, and has been for over a year already. I'm just not particularly proud messing around on her. We met online, introduced by her cousin living in the US, and had ldr for a couple of years because of pandemic lockdowns. She never once asked me for money; the only thing she asked me for before I came to Philippines was when I wanted to send her a gift for Vday and she asked for a new phone because her old one was really bad. I took that $60 for the phone as an investment; the worst case would have been that it is lost. But it turned out that she was a keeper. After foreigners were allowed in, I was on one of the first flights in so I could be with her in the province and really see who she was. We got married after a few months and she just had our first child a few months ago. She works hard with her own business and, though I send money now, I found out when I went this summer that she actually has been saving most of it and using the money she makes for daily needs and bills. She is a quality woman, and she has never approached me with a family emergency, even though she has 11 siblings, 9 of whom can't manage their lives! The plan is to move there when the right work opportunity opens up for me.

The only drawback is she doesn't really enjoy sex, mostly because of an injury that she is too embarrassed to have fixed. She enjoys during, but hurts for days after. So, I have her tacit approval to play, as long as I don't tell her about it, don't do it in her province, and always use protection. If asked by a provider why I want to use a condom, I'll tell them why. Which is why I found it so hilarious that this young lady I was seeing in Manila was obsessing over not using a condom if I see her in December because she is my girlfriend, too, according to her. It's crazy!

So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842456]So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.[/QUOTE]I don't even want to bring me back to the USA as soon as I escape.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842390]Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?[/QUOTE]Last time, I gave my girlfriend 10,000 pesos after her 3 weeks with me. She never asked me for anything, but I thought that was fair. She was thrilled.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2842456]So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.[/QUOTE]Most westerners who marry Filipina women are marrying women who are not hookers at the time they meet. Understand that this is a sex forum and that the men on this forum do not represent the average western man traveling to the Philippines looking for love. Most of us on this forum have questionable morals, and as we say in Texas "birds of a feather flock together". I do agree with you bringing a girl back to the US on a visa will more than likely end in disaster. I would personally want to live with a woman for several months first to see if we are compatible. Sadly my current record for these compatibility tests is four days. So it does not look like marriage is in my future. LOL.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842390]Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?[/QUOTE]I don't know RG or his girl so no comment on them. However, when holidaying with a girl, expect to pay many multiples of cost to fuck on meals, bikinis, activities etc. I was flamed heavily for saying it costs more to feed a girl than fuck her but it's pretty accurate, especially in tourist areas.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. To answer your specific question, I pay the equivalent of one ST per day for a XLT. That's 24/7 for several days or occasionally weeks.

Be careful what you ask for. There are downsides to committing to a working girl for long periods or taking her out of town.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842389]G.

After your advice on PL and Davao, I must've collected at least a dozen of single moms! Are these by product of some hidden fuck fest that I didn't know about or does Filipino follows Amish culture strictly 😅. Some of them has 4/5 brothers and sisters.

On another topic, what's up with the "paid drinking companion scam!" Wouldn't buzz for P4 P but will take money to drink with me and then decide whether to spread the legs for another fees![/QUOTE]Sorry, just saw your post.

Yes, it's exceedingly common for boy meets girl then moves on to another when she gets preggo. Add in religious influences on attitudes to contraception and abortion and it's not surprising to have so many single moms. Many of these girls are shunned by local guys so see latching on the a foreigner as their only option.

I've had plenty of platonic dates with girls. Either fact finding missions, to ease her concerns that I'm not a psycho, or I've simply enjoyed her company. Having said that, I've got no tolerance for paying 300 p, to drinks only girls, only to hear "Where you from? Where you stay? When you go home?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842801]I don't know RG or his girl so no comment on them. However, when holidaying with a girl, expect to pay many multiples of cost to fuck on meals, bikinis, activities etc. I was flamed heavily for saying it costs more to feed a girl than fuck her but it's pretty accurate, especially in tourist areas.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. To answer your specific question, I pay the equivalent of one ST per day for a XLT. That's 24/7 for several days or occasionally weeks.

Be careful what you ask for. There are downsides to committing to a working girl for long periods or taking her out of town.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]Of course I pay for such things, but isn't that true of any real relationship? I don't have any illusions that the only reasons such a beautiful lady is with me are my good looks and charm. But I find that I much prefer the girlfriend experience to a cold sex-for-cash transaction with some bargirl or unwed mother. If my girl believes that I *might* be the one to bring her to the US and marry her, she's that much more motivated to keep me happy, more so than some girl looking for only short time profit.

RG.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842830]Of course I pay for such things, but isn't that true of any real relationship? I don't have any illusions that the only reasons such a beautiful lady is with me are my good looks and charm. But I find that I much prefer the girlfriend experience to a cold sex-for-cash transaction with some bargirl or unwed mother. If my girl believes that I *might* be the one to bring her to the US and marry her, she's that much more motivated to keep me happy, more so than some girl looking for only short time profit.

RG.[/QUOTE]Sure. My reply was point out that the extra room and board can add up to be many times cost to fuck rather than an opinion on your arrangement. Many get surprised at how much extra it does cost to have her around 24/7 especially if taking her to a tourist area.

For the record, I have done the BYO deal but now prefer to split the difference. If she presses the right buttons and I fall in love, she's welcome to come night after night. However, it's great if she has a job or something to go to during the day. I'm both a loner and a cheapskate so I like to have my own time and not have to entertain her all day. It's not unheard of for me to get an infill during this time.

Everyone has their preferences but this fits me pretty well.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842837]Sure. My reply was point out that the extra room and board can add up to be many times cost to fuck rather than an opinion on your arrangement. Many get surprised at how much extra it does cost to have her around 24/7 especially if taking her to a tourist area.

For the record, I have done the BYO deal but now prefer to split the difference. If she presses the right buttons and I fall in love, she's welcome to come night after night. However, it's great if she has a job or something to go to during the day. I'm both a loner and a cheapskate so I like to have my own time and not have to entertain her all day. It's not unheard of for me to get an infill during this time.

Everyone has their preferences but this fits me pretty well.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I personally like non bargirls for a GFE experience. Remuneration per day is already discussed. My day after meeting the girl goes like this. Go to the room, take a shower and get down to sex. After an hour or so she is hungry. Philippine girls do not like expensive restaurant food. Very happy with jolibee food. I bring her what she wants. After that she is content staying in the room or playing with the phone. I go on my own merry way go get a massage, eat what I want and come back. Have sex again and go to sleep. In the morning sex again, shower and both go to get hotel breakfast. If the girl has a job she leaves for work. Money is given. This leaves me whole day for me. If she does not have work we talk, smootch may have sex. Sometimes we go to the mall, sometimes if the girl wants we have taken day trips. Take her along for a massage if she wants. It is totally GFE.

For me nothing beats it.

Actually it does not cost lot of money. I have done bargirls before but you get an empty feeling after she leaves in the morning.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2842865]I personally like non bargirls for a GFE experience. Remuneration per day is already discussed. My day after meeting the girl goes like this. Go to the room, take a shower and get down to sex. After an hour or so she is hungry. Philippine girls do not like expensive restaurant food. Very happy with jolibee food. I bring her what she wants. After that she is content staying in the room or playing with the phone. I go on my own merry way go get a massage, eat what I want and come back. Have sex again and go to sleep. In the morning sex again, shower and both go to get hotel breakfast. If the girl has a job she leaves for work. Money is given. This leaves me whole day for me. If she does not have work we talk, smootch may have sex. Sometimes we go to the mall, sometimes if the girl wants we have taken day trips. Take her along for a massage if she wants. It is totally GFE.

For me nothing beats it.

Actually it does not cost lot of money. I have done bargirls before but you get an empty feeling after she leaves in the morning.[/QUOTE]I agree it's a better experience as they are not as jaded as bargirls. The description "non bargirls for a GFE experience...Remuneration per day" is unique. Interesting culture when even a "non bargirl" working one of the low salary jobs will happily spread her legs for a foreigner to bridge the gap become income and expenses.

I recall a description of the different classes of women in PI, with the top tier being wealthy by western standards as well as independent and sufficient. My friend met one in the United Arab Emirates, working as an engineer for Emirates Airlines. The relationships are much different when on equal terms and your money is not needed /.

Alas, that is a small segment of the population. This status quo will continue unless the economy improves to the level of Singapore or Japan. Not likely for a while with the average blue collar wage at around 400 pesos per day. (about $8 US).

Definitely not a bad deal. I had fixed 9 k to my spinner for 10 days but she was cooking too, some amazing dishes. As usual I got tired of same pussy after 5 days so sent her on her way with said amount and called up my shrimp.

In bonus, I spent 24 hrs with my spinner on my last April trip and only got her some gifts for her birthday, maybe 3/4 K but she had fixed her cousin (another gem of my liking) and her friend too. Can't complain.

Thanks for the tip on price point. Help sets a line on the floating bar.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2842725]Last time, I gave my girlfriend 10,000 pesos after her 3 weeks with me. She never asked me for anything, but I thought that was fair. She was thrilled.[/QUOTE]

Thanks G on the price point. I don't think I'm going to take anyone for long term, possibly 3 days at max. Then switch place and another one. And definitely not going to take a WG for long term. Tried that once in Samui. Never again.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842801]I don't know RG or his girl so no comment on them. However, when holidaying with a girl, expect to pay many multiples of cost to fuck on meals, bikinis, activities etc. I was flamed heavily for saying it costs more to feed a girl than fuck her but it's pretty accurate, especially in tourist areas.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. To answer your specific question, I pay the equivalent of one ST per day for a XLT. That's 24/7 for several days or occasionally weeks.

Be careful what you ask for. There are downsides to committing to a working girl for long periods or taking her out of town.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]

Now this definitely makes sense and reason behind the desperation. I would say, a good 60% of PL if not more are single mom and pretty easy catch. Bottom line all wants to go abroad and pretty desperate to convince. Some even start talking about marriage. Some of them are real eye candy tbh.

Hooked some from Davao stock and ready to come to Manila to meet me. Let's see how many sticks around until I make it down there. One thing I must admit, the are very desperate to flee Philippines, remind me of Cuba.

On a side note, found 2 non pro single no kids for the province. Need to start sorting my list to fit maximum to the schedule. Let see how everything plans out.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2842805]Sorry, just saw your post.

Yes, it's exceedingly common for boy meets girl then moves on to another when she gets preggo. Add in religious influences on attitudes to contraception and abortion and it's not surprising to have so many single moms. Many of these girls are shunned by local guys so see latching on the a foreigner as their only option.

I've had plenty of platonic dates with girls. Either fact finding missions, to ease her concerns that I'm not a psycho, or I've simply enjoyed her company. Having said that, I've got no tolerance for paying 300 p, to drinks only girls, only to hear "Where you from? Where you stay? When you go home?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know the name of this KTV bar by the inside setup:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tRiGpmdyevE[/URL]

This mamasan in the black dress is smoking. I give her a solid 9. Any of you guys ever pull her out of this place.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSfg_dljKEA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842933]Definitely not a bad deal. I had fixed 9 k to my spinner for 10 days but she was cooking too, some amazing dishes..[/QUOTE]Looks like I need to sharpen my negotiation skills. I thought 10 k / week was pretty good but it seems others are getting much better pricing.

To be fair, mine are typically more professional. No judgement but I typically don't chase good girls as I don't want to deal with unsolicited messages, calls or FB connections when I return home. I'm a nice guy but always crystal clear that this is not a BF / GF situation.

Enjoy. G.

Hahahha. Get your point. I simply just don't share social media accounts with them. Once simple answer. " I had bad experience with my ex and I will share with you once we know each other for long time" usually conversations ends there.

One thing I forgot to mention from your previous post, "why they always go for the most expensive dish at the restaurant and orders twice than they can eat and where on gods name they stuff all those food" not that I mind or care but I was shockingly mesmerized seeing a baby back ribs plus deep fried shrimp plus half of my deep fried fish disappearing in that skeleton. I wish I had some skills like that.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2843102]Looks like I need to sharpen my negotiation skills. I thought 10 k / week was pretty good but it seems others are getting much better pricing.

To be fair, mine are typically more professional. No judgement but I typically don't chase good girls as I don't want to deal with unsolicited messages, calls or FB connections when I return home. I'm a nice guy but always crystal clear that this is not a BF / GF situation.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2843102]Looks like I need to sharpen my negotiation skills. I thought 10 k / week was pretty good but it seems others are getting much better pricing.

To be fair, mine are typically more professional. No judgement but I typically don't chase good girls as I don't want to deal with unsolicited messages, calls or FB connections when I return home. I'm a nice guy but always crystal clear that this is not a BF / GF situation.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Can also recommend this route. If you find a girl that is good domestically, it's a great deal getting things done around the place you are renting out. (laundry, cleaning, cooking). Just need to draw the line it's temporary.

Forgot to tell you. While fishing on PL, I caught a shark.

Pina living in Manhattan, working as a Financial Advisor and what to meet me. I was like WTF. Where did this comes from! I like meeting them in their country, definitely not on my side of the world. They change completely once they crossed Atlantic Pacific or Arctic.

I might as well hire RG as a divorce attorney as this is one case meant to happen. GMBC.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2843102]Looks like I need to sharpen my negotiation skills. I thought 10 k / week was pretty good but it seems others are getting much better pricing.

To be fair, mine are typically more professional. No judgement but I typically don't chase good girls as I don't want to deal with unsolicited messages, calls or FB connections when I return home. I'm a nice guy but always crystal clear that this is not a BF / GF situation.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842935]Now this definitely makes sense and reason behind the desperation. I would say, a good 60% of PL if not more are single mom and pretty easy catch. Bottom line all wants to go abroad and pretty desperate to convince. Some even start talking about marriage. Some of them are real eye candy tbh.

Hooked some from Davao stock and ready to come to Manila to meet me. Let's see how many sticks around until I make it down there. One thing I must admit, the are very desperate to flee Philippines, remind me of Cuba.

On a side note, found 2 non pro single no kids for the province. Need to start sorting my list to fit maximum to the schedule. Let see how everything plans out.[/QUOTE]I won't bother with the single moms. Too much baggage, usually stretch marks, and looser pussy. I don't expect a virgin, but she's got to be fresh and tight. Otherwise, I'd be chasing those old worn out skanks here in the US.

RG.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2842933]Definitely not a bad deal. I had fixed 9 k to my spinner for 10 days but she was cooking too, some amazing dishes. As usual I got tired of same pussy after 5 days so sent her on her way with said amount and called up my shrimp.

In bonus, I spent 24 hrs with my spinner on my last April trip and only got her some gifts for her birthday, maybe 3/4 K but she had fixed her cousin (another gem of my liking) and her friend too. Can't complain.

Thanks for the tip on price point. Help sets a line on the floating bar.[/QUOTE]If a girl starts quoting prices for her time, she's immediately off my list. I'm sure they all expect a "gift" at the end of our time together, and I do like to surprise her with one, but I personally find the overt P4 P mentality to be a turnoff.

RG.

Hahahha. Get your point RG, I have been pretty lucky though with single mom. In fact that Rambo wife had tighter Pussy compared to the non-pro I had maybe her rubber fist was extra large. I like their submissive attitude and the desperation to please.

Will have both for sure.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2843110]I won't bother with the single moms. Too much baggage, usually stretch marks, and looser pussy. I don't expect a virgin, but she's got to be fresh and tight. Otherwise, I'd be chasing those old worn out skanks here in the US.

RG.[/QUOTE]

That's one hazard of doing business with them. Some even asks for advance right! I don't mind as long as "bag of Potatoes" rules applies.

You said your general hunting ground is Tinder? Got to try that out definitely. Let's see how my PL catches turns out.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2843113]If a girl starts quoting prices for her time, she's immediately off my list. I'm sure they all expect a "gift" at the end of our time together, and I do like to surprise her with one, but I personally find the overt P4 P mentality to be a turnoff.

RG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2843126]That's one hazard of doing business with them. Some even asks for advance right! I don't mind as long as "bag of Potatoes" rules applies.

You said your general hunting ground is Tinder? Got to try that out definitely. Let's see how my PL catches turns out.[/QUOTE]I've also had some luck on Badoo. Same idea. But once I screen out the majority of them, I start doing chats and video calls on WhatsApp with my prime candidates a few weeks before my trip, until I settle on one I want to meet and spend my time with in person. I suppose there's some risk associated with putting all my eggs in one basket, but so far I've batted 100 using this method.

RG.