Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=BigRig2007;1851990]Not sure how his will turn out but I got three BF's from Heaven Above Pattaya just now and it looks like now that I have BF'ed them they might not like each other at all![/QUOTE]LOL oh no, you are screwed mate. I hope things work out.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1852100]LOL oh no, you are screwed mate. I hope things work out.[/QUOTE]So, I got these three girls from Heaven Above Pattaya. I was a little nervous because it looked like, after I paid the barfine, they didn't like each other. It turns out that one of them just really liked me and was trying to turn me off the other girls. That's OK. It didn't work. So, we ended up going to 808 and got a bottle of Grey goose. Met some guys from NYC, and Kenya. It was a fun night. Got them back to my hotel. LK Metropole. Geez, I forget how we made it back, WTF. Anyway, one was a really tiny girl named Nong, she was fucked up and ended up being sick in the bathroom after watching some you tube videos. The one that really liked me was IP, she was a little older and had fake Dees. The other one was named cookie and she was DTF immediately. So we went and got busy. Once finished I gave her 2 k and was ready to send them on their way. IP asked me why I no like to pay for all the girls, I said only one made boom boom, the it was on. Haha. Nong grabbed me by the hand and took me back to the bedroom and said, you want boom boom, I'll give you boom boom. So that was done and another 2 k was added to her kitty. Then Nong and Cookie left and IP stayed, she is the one that really liked me so we had a talk about my leaving for Phuket today and blah blah. I then grabbed her for the hat trick and she started shuddering. It seemed she might have had an O right there. I took her back and threw her on the bed and she attacked me, she was the best performer out of them all, though not the best looking. I almost got it in the A until she realized this and shook me off. Haha. Anyway, she was good and another 2 k was shelled out. I walked her out and the bell guys were laughing at me. IP said they were wondering if I was ever going to sleep. Two days in Pattaya, I'll sleep in Phuket! Anyway, I did have a good time in Pattaya. Tonight I visited, Windmill, and didn't care for it too much, nothing too exciting. Fahrenheit, was OK. Decent but too busy. Heaven Above Pattaya was good for me cause it wasn't too busy and there were some pretty girls there. I almost didn't get any action there because they thought I was Thai man. I had to correct them, being an American from Hawaii, then they loved me. Thanks again forum, for your tips and tricks.

I'll have a few more late reports from my last trip.

After being disappointed again in the go go bars, I decided to visit some old friends in one of the beer bars in WS. As I got there, I was disappointed that the bar name has changed, there was a new mamasan, and all the girls that I knew were gone. I looked around at the other ones and nothing caught my eye (the quality is getting really low here too) . I went in the other perpendicular street with beer bars and looked around. The selections seemed to be better. At some point I saw one of my all time Thai favorites dancing. As I was walking toward here, he recognized me too and starting waving. As I look closer, I realized that half of the girls were the ones working in the old bar. What a find! I was so happy to see them again, especially that they all remembered me. Last that, I stop at least for a drink every night and I got to know them. Even the mamasan recognized me and we had a pleasant talk. As I was quite tired, I decided not to take the 2 girls that I wanted to repeat from last time. I asked the mamasan for a recommendation and she showed me a farm fresh dark skin girl that was (allegedly) new in business. I bought here a drink and her English level made me realized that she was not so new as she / they was / were pretending. Be it as it may, I decided to take her back home. Being so excited because I found the lost bar, I forgot the basics and didn't really got into much details with her.

We got to the room, where I got the usual disappointment when she got naked. Even though her face was sweet, her belly was showing the marks of a pregnancy and her (bad) silicones showed me that she had a falang sugar daddy at some point.

We showered, and we got to the action. She blew me covered, than I fucked her in missionary. Her pussy was not tight at all and she was bored of the whole action. She sucked my dick at the end, and I finished in her mouth.

Unfortunately, she didn't allow me to take a video or not even photos of her, but that was my mistake as I didn't spoke to her about that.

As I got out of the shower, she was already dressed and she let me know that she is leaving. We talked about 2000 for LT so I told her she is not getting more than 1000 which she agreed immediately. She got the money and than she left.

Damage was 1500-2000 for BF and LDs, and 1000 for her.

Looks: 7-7,5 (cute face, nice ass, but fake boobs and big belly).

Sex: 4 (nothing special, cold, bored, no video, no COF, leaving after the first session).

I am really considering a new destination for my next holiday, and would love to get a suggestion of a place where girls are video friendly (even if it costs more for that particular service).

The next days I spent in the company of my old friends from the previous mentioned bar. I got a few video memories for a life time and had a great time in the bar and outside it. The experience was even better as last time, which proves that getting to know them, putting the time into building a (sort of) relationship, could bring you a better outcome.

Each of them got a special present (of course I am talking about a big tip) on top of the normal price, and I took every one out for dinner and breakfast. We kissed goodbye and I promised them to visit them again when I'll be around (which I think will not be very soon).

I still find the beer garden / beer bar scene much better than the go go. Even though you can't see their naked body before going to the room, you get a quiet (er) atmosphere to chat in and that might give you an insight in her personality. The prices are better as well and the quality is (at least for my taste) at least as good as the one in go go s. I think is just a matter of finding the perfect bar for you.

As a downside of the bar scene, especially the ones that are grouped in the perpendicular streets along WS, you can't really regularly go to more than 2 in one of the streets in a regular manner because they will get jealous and you won't get the kind of relationship I was previously talking about.

In one of my last nights out I decided to follow one of the fantasies that I have since my first visit to Pattaya, a few years ago.

I walked along the beach until I found her, the woman that had (strangely) been in my head in the last years, every time when I was in the mood for kinky. I am talking of course of the well known (for Pattaya mongers that walk around the beach) old skinny woman with short dress that always wears a lot of make up. If you don't know here, you'd probably need more time in Pattaya.

Anyways, I approached her and she gave me a wide smile. She was really amazed that someone young would want her. She told me that ST would be 500 . I asked if that would include Anal, COF and Video and she confirmed.

She took me to a (ultra) low quality short time place. It was the dirtiest place I've ever been into. The walls were so dirty that you wouldn't guess they were once white, there was no window (except from the bars that were crossing in front of a frame towards the hallway, the bed was destroyed, the bathroom was horrible but at least the bed covers looked clean. The promiscuity of the place added to her kinky dirty hooker looks were a great turn on and that looked already like an extreme experience.

After she showered (I have to say that only here looks were dirty, as she was quite clean for a street prostitute) , she started blowing me (covered) . She was doing it perfect, deep throat with no problem, very wet, perfect sounds. She laid on her back and I fucked her her pussy and ass as hard as possible, changing between the 2 holes with no difficult whatsoever (who needs lube?) . She seemed genuinely horny at some point and we changed into cowgirl where she was even better.

After a good session in which she basically smiled to the camera all the time, I cum on her face. Without even telling her, she ate it all.

I will not try to grade the experience as it was something different. It was, as I was saying, an extreme experience and the fact that you can get that for 10 euros makes it even better. I decided to give her 1000 as I thought that she did a great job and that made her very happy.

My last day in Patts I took another MILF from the beach as I was still under the influence of my 'extreme' experience.

As I had first seen her, she seemed quite shy and not used to the scene, which made me think that she is new. I approached her and I realized that I hit the jackpot. She didn't spoke any word in English and she was really uncomfortable with the whole situation. Looked promising. Her (older) friend translated. I found out that she was charging 500 for short time. I offered her 700 for everything including anal, COF and video. She refused at first, but her friend convinced her. She tried to propose a threesome, which I was not very keen on doing, but said that I would do as long as they lick each other. They kept talking on the way to the short time place (a nice one this time). I asked them again if they'll lick each other, the one I wanted declined, the other one tried to convince her but got a refusal. I went up to the room with her. She didn't speak more than 50 words in English.

She started blowing me covered, than I fucked her hard which caused her some pain so I needed to slow down a little bit. I tried to fuck her ass, but it was too hard for a real fuck, so I just kind of poked her ass with my dick. At the end I finished on her face. She was quite shy because of the camera, but smiled at the end as she got more relaxed.

She told me that I was her first customer, that she worked as a food vendor and some other bullshit. I don't know and don't care if that's true, but could be.

Looks: 6,5 (her face was cute, tits were nice, but her belly and her age bring her down).

Sex: 6 (not experienced, not being able to take a hard fuck, not even pretending to enjoy it, a plus for the COF and video).

During my stay in Pattaya I saw a lot of WGs from Laos, Indonesia and some near by countries.

I wonder how do they get work permit, long term visa, ID cards, learn local language and all other related matters.

Are there some agencies who force girls into this or they come and work by their choice? Just curious to know. I saw a lot of young girls in their under / early twenties who are from outside.

I guess somebody would be having some idea regarding this.

Went back out about 1:30 am to my caf on Beach Street and Soi 10. Had two beers and headed to walking street. As I was passing Marine Disco I noticed six or seven girls going in. So I followed. It wasn't packed, but there were enough girls there to keep me around for a beer or two. It wasn't long before a girl came up to me and told me her girlfriend likes me and wanted to know if I wanted to meet her. Yep, my Lady Boy warning light turned on. I asked where is the friend. She pointed her out and sure enough, just as I expected. I asked if the friend was a Lady or Lady Boy. She said I should talk to her first. I said Thank You, I don't want. About two songs later they relocated.

While I was enjoying myself, I noticed a pair of eyes and a big smile looking at me. It was a girl I had a couple of weeks ago. I said Hello, and she asked for a drink. Since I normally don't repeat girls I told her no, with a smile of course. And said bye. Shortly after that, I see a shorty smiling at me over her drink. It was a girl I had two nights ago. I smiled back and decided to relocate again. I went to the other side of the Club and park behind a table that had two girls. The first on sees me and notifies her girlfriend. They both are turning around to check me out and it's a girl I took from earlier in the week. Trifecta! We smiled and laughed at each other and waived. She was smoking a cigarette this time. That's a turn off for me and I shuffled over a table. I looked at my log and I paid 700 baht for one of the girls, 800 baht for the other and 1000 baht for the last. So, I am thinking if you are quoted more then 1000 baht for short time at Marine Disco, you might consider a counter offer. Just a friendly suggestion. But to each their own.

Relocated back to the other side of the disco and made eye contact with a taller, young looking girl. Soon after she waives me over. I waived her over and she walked up to me. We talked for a short while and she asked if I wanted to take her. I asked how much? She said 800 baht. I asked how much and she said 700 baht. I said ok, lets go. Get to the room and she goes belly up on me (lazy). After only a couple minutes of BBBJ she wanted to stop. I said no, smoke. About ten minutes later she rolled over and said condom. I suit up and told her to get on top. She rides for a few minutes and hops off. I said no, more. Gets back on top and goes a while longer. I said ok, me on top. She starts off with "after, we sleep" What a turn off. First off, no, I don't let girls sleep over (but I didn't tell her that). Second, I just got on top. Let me clock in and lather up for a few minutes. Then she starts coughing. I was not happy with how this girl ended up in the sack. I decided to stop and cut her loose. 700 baht might have been ok around midnight for this girl. But at 5 am, she was wore out and like I said, went belly up.

In Pattaya a little over two weeks and I have had 19 girls. Most of which were great performers. And a lot at the "good" performance level. Guess I should be happy this is the only "bad" performance I have had so far.

Visited Taboo gogo on Walking Street. Girls were only average but fun atmosphere especially in the back part of the club. There was also a girl who looks Russian working there.

You fucking guys bone all these girls constantly. I was in Bangkok for 2 nights and Pattaya for 2 nights and my sack is tapped out. LOL. I am in Phuket now and I just bar fined a girl from one of the bars the one with all the lit up palm trees and the kick ass pole dancers across the street from Tiger. I'll post a report in Phuket but god damn this chick is the hottest I have seen in Thailand so far. I was just going for some cocktails and to say that I've been to Bangla but I ended up barfining this girl because she was fuckign hot! Her chubby friend was chatting me up and I guess sometimes that's the best way in with the lovelies, chat up the chubby friend. I think there was and is a line out the door for this girl but she gave me first dibs cause her friend told her I was the one she should go with and we both have Pomeranians! Haha. Anyway, what a trip. But, yeah, I don't get how you guys do it. I'm dead tired right now and shooting blanks. You must be supermen! LOL.

Head over to my watering hole on Beach Road and Soi 10. Had three beers (240 baht with tip). Started walking the board walk and priced a 19 year old full of tattoos and the fake colored contacts. She said 1000 baht short time. I asked for a discount and she said she could only go for 1000 baht. I said nice to meet you and walked. The next woman was 31. Trim, slim, great Thai smile and confident. Got her to laugh and priced her. She quoted 800 baht. I asked for a discount down to 700 baht and see said ok. Worked out the details. Motor over to the hotel, photo shoot, clean up and went on to have one of the better sessions I have had on this trip. After, she struck up conversation with me. So we hung out on my bed butt naked chit chatting. Very relaxed, very comforting. Cleaned up and paid her 700 baht with a 100 baht tip. Gave her a rid to the beach and dropped her off. Back at the room by 2 am. Been staying up way too late lately, think I will shut it down.

Yep, they are setting up stages, sound equipment, cattle fencing and pop up canopies in preparation for the Pattaya Music Festival. I hear Beach road will be closed at Pattaya Klang. I noticed a set up at Beach Road and Soi 4/ Soi 5 also. I have not been to one of the Music Festivals. Looks like they are expecting a big turn out.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1852301]During my stay in Pattaya I saw a lot of WGs from Laos, Indonesia and some near by countries.

I wonder how do they get work permit, long term visa, ID cards, learn local language and all other related matters.

Are there some agencies who force girls into this or they come and work by their choice?[/QUOTE]Interesting. They generally don't have any of those things, especially not Thai ID cards. ASEAN countries get visa-free short term travel, so they either do visa runs or are on overstay.

I don't think any of the girls (foreign or otherwise) you'd find in Pattaya are forced into the business (surely not in an organized way). The way the scene works, it would be difficult for a pimp / agency to enforce compliance. However, trafficking of Lao / Cambodian / Burmese working girls is a problem in certain Thai brothels and massage parlors, especially in border regions, but you're unlikely to come across those.

Technically Lao / Burmese / Cambodian can get long-term visas as migrant workers (Indonesians / Vietnamese cannot), but I doubt you'll find many of them far from work sites (mostly construction / factories).

As for the language, Lao is similar enough to Thai that they wouldn't have an issue.

In all my times in Pattaya, I haven't seen that many working girls from other East/Southeast Asian countries, and it's not for my lack of interest. A very small number of PRC Chinese, a few Lao which are hard to tell apart from Thai / Issan, a few Cambodians (again, hard to tell from Southern Issan). Sadly, zero Vietnamese or Indonesians.

I'm wondering if any of those girls were actually bullshitting you. How sure are you they're foreign? The easiest giveaway is not speaking Thai when addressing other Thais, or speaking it poorly / with an unusual accent.

Key question: where do you find them?

Woke up had breakfast and checked out of the Patong Beach Hotel, hopped into a taxi to the airport for my flight back to Bangkok for a little bit of business to take care of. While waiting in que to check my luggage for Air Asia there were these three smoking hot Chinese girls in there 20's with three guys in there 50's or 60's. I thought they where on some kind of modeling gig or something, them later it came to me that these girls maybe these guys second wife's / mistresses on a little holiday from China what lucky guy's! Getting on the plane I noticed misted or fog coming out of the air ventilation system wondering if this is do to the high humidity here in Thailand? This is the first time I have seen this on a plane.

Landed back in Bangkok at DMK met the same driver from five days ago who had picked me up at BKK. First stop Bangkok business stuff, then made my way to Pattaya the drive seemed longer than I thought. But I made it and checked into the Marriott. The room is bla compared to the Landmark or Patong Beach Hotel nothing to write home about. But the grounds are just gorgeous! Looking into the bay I see loads of para gliding going back and forth on the bay, need to try this.

I walked down Beach Road to Walking Street it was early 8 pm or so took in the sights of beach road on the way and saw some prospective ladies standing around amongst the tourist. Once on Walking Street the hordes of people taking in the sights were bizarre Chinese and Japanese tour groups fallowing there flag waving tour guides. Seeing grand & great grand parents, grand mas hand covered smiles in a red light district is new to me. It had a different feel to it compared to Patong's Walking Street, less party atmosphere for business like. I don't know just my first impression that's all I did not go into any of the Go gos just getting the lay of the land the first night here. Thanks Allover for the nice words, I'm only doing the best I can.

Carbon copy of the last few nights. Go to Caf on Beach Road and Soi 10. Have three beers (240 baht with tip). Pick up a girl on the beach. She quoted 800 baht and I asked for a discount and she repeated 800 baht. I said 700 baht. She said ok without hesitating. Maybe I should counter with 200 baht less, in the future. Worked out the details, hopped on the motor bike and off we went. Get to the room and she is not happy taking pictures. I squeeze a couple out of her and we clean up. Had a pretty good time once we got in the sack. Finished, cleaned up and got ready to leave and managed to talk her into a couple of more pictures. I thought once we got to know each other better she would warm up to me. Gave her 700 baht and 100 baht tip. Dropped her at the Beach Walk. We chit chat for a few before parting. I asked her about the police harassing the girls. She said she was on Walking Street this week and got caught by the police. She had to pay 200 baht fine. She said she was fined for standing. So I sit back down and had two more beers at the Local Caf.

About 1:30 am or so I head over to Walking Street. I don't even go to Walking Street before midnight anymore. Too many Tour Groups and too many families with their children. Oh well, free country right? Head into Lucifers to use their restroom. On my way out ran across one of the band members. I asked when they were going to complete construction. He said that is a very good question, nobody knows. So I asked when did they start. He said July last year. Eight months, ouch! So I get a beer from 7/11 and take in the sights. Then another beer from 7/11. And I head into Marine Disco about 2:15 am. Very few people tonight. Did a walk around and headed out.

Went to Insomnia, which was packed, and had a beer and got into the vibe. One of the stage girls motioned for me to buy her a drink. Nope, just smiled and ignored her. I am not against buying a girl a drink. But it usual happens if we first strike up a conversation and I have already worked out the deal and I want to stay and have a drink myself. Stayed till about almost 4 am and left. Years ago, back in the US, I bought too many drinks for too many girls and it didn't always lead to getting some action. Of course those were for what I call civilians (you might know them as non pros). Those days are over. There are guide lines that if you follow you can enjoy the monger scene. And if you cross, well, it can sometimes bite you in the ass. Ordered something to eat off of one of the street vendors and headed back to the hotel.

Great stuff man! You the king of action down in Patts! I am super impressed.

One comment FWIW, re not wanting to buy anyone a drink for zero in return, you obviously have some good dineros, just totaling up all your spend, right? The country of Thailand and Patts have given you a lot, I believe.

So, why not, just once in a while, while you are in Patts, buy a girl a drink, without expecting anything back? I think the expense will disappear in the second decimal place. All I'm saying is why be so calculating all the time? Not for impressing us (just keep it anonymous) or anyone, but just to allow your mind to open up, or just for your own karma or whatever?

If you heart the girls in Patts, why not just let your wallet off for a few seconds? Not for a thousands of baht but just for a few hundred? It won't matter to you in the least. It may not matter to them either but it might just be good for your " self ".

Unless, of course, you feel it's a mental discipline thing, a principle thing, or you don't quite see them (in their totality vs. individually) as unworthy of it, for whatever reason. And in that case of course I understand.

Just an observation fwiw, and it really is A-Ok if you disagree. Just know that I say this with the best of intentions.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1853003]
I'm wondering if any of those girls were actually bullshitting you. How sure are you they're foreign? The easiest giveaway is not speaking Thai when addressing other Thais, or speaking it poorly / with an unusual accent.

Key question: where do you find them?[/QUOTE]Croc, sorry to cut in but in his original post MusicalTom does not mention anything about any girl telling him specifically that they were from other SEA countries. I believe this is purely a figment of his imagination (or sheer ignorance). On the BKK thread he has posted that he saw Chinese and Japanese girls inside Baccara, so you know what's coming. He seems to be in a world of his own.

Just read Haven123's follow up report. LMAO, I had a mental image of tires screeching as he spins out of control. Oh, I do let down my guard every once in a while. And I have made a friend in Pattaya. I have taken her to the Sauna, the Movies, to Dinner, bla bla bla. But yes, I have a budget. 26 days in country and my goal is stay under $3000 US. For that I pay air fare, hotel, motor bike rental, food, beer, mild entertainment, taxi, buses, laundry, develop photos, internet fees and all the girls I feel like (projecting 30). I have less then a week to go and it's going to be close.

Talk about letting down your guard, had street vender food last night. And yes, you guessed, got the runs today. Went to the Pharmacy for meds. Went for lunch at Central Festival. Returned to hotel to clean up and rest. About 4 pm cruised Beach Road and met a 28 year old shorty. Dark Dark skin, jet black hair and a nice round butt. Asked her how much and she said 500 baht, Bingo! Went over details, motor bike to hotel. Snap photos, clean up, get down, clean up, clean up, drop off. Back in the room about 6 pm. More rest. Shaggers Back is acting up. I'm not 48 any more.

Was in Thailand few weeks back and while walking passing Soi 6, maybe close to Soi 3 which I was told found a place which said body massage. Walked in to check it out and it was a buffet of ladies waiting across which they call fish bowl or something like that. Selected a girl from the lot and asked for the price. They are priced by the tag which is worn by each girl.

Walked into the room, was having a chit chat while she was filling the bath tub. Oh ya, this room has a bed, mirrors on ceiling, tub, air mat and some chairs which I was seated and smoking until the tub was filled. Once the tub was filled, we both took our clothes off and I got into the tub while she scrubbed me. I was given mouth wash, while in the tub she got on me, played with junior, while I was licking boobs.

We got off to the air mat and I got an amazing body to body massage. Had a wash and got onto bed with a hard-on. Got a CBJ, fingered her and started FS. Went in many positions while enjoying the show on all mirrors until junior gave up. Had a wash again tipped and left.

Overall was an amazing experience.

Sounds like good times Sudumalli. You mentioned the girls were different prices, how much were the prices?

Nothing much to report from last night. Swung by the Music Festival around 8 pm. It was kind of nice not having to worry about traffic on Beach Road. I came down Soi 10 on the motor bike. That is where the road block ends on the south side. Lots of vendors, lots of food, still kind of early, it wasn't too crowded. Didn't stay long, I am still a little under the weather. Went back to hotel and rested. Later I picked up my massage girlfriend and took her to her place. Yep, she road me like a rented mule. After, headed back to the hotel to rest some more. Had to take a different way home because part of Beach Road was closed. I've been staying up to near sunrise a lot lately. Easy to do in Pattaya.

Any time you see a sign that says Body Massage it is a soapy massage place. These days they range in prices from 2000-4000 baht, depending on which place you go to and which bunch of girls you select from at that particular place.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1853065]Croc, sorry to cut in but in his original post MusicalTom does not mention anything about any girl telling him specifically that they were from other SEA countries. I believe this is purely a figment of his imagination (or sheer ignorance). On the BKK thread he has posted that he saw Chinese and Japanese girls inside Baccara, so you know what's coming. He seems to be in a world of his own.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1853003]Interesting. They generally don't have any of those things, especially not Thai ID cards. ASEAN countries get visa-free short term travel, so they either do visa runs or are on overstay.

I don't think any of the girls (foreign or otherwise) you'd find in Pattaya are forced into the business (surely not in an organized way). The way the scene works, it would be difficult for a pimp / agency to enforce compliance. However, trafficking of Lao / Cambodian / Burmese working girls is a problem in certain Thai brothels and massage parlors, especially in border regions, but you're unlikely to come across those.

Technically Lao / Burmese / Cambodian can get long-term visas as migrant workers (Indonesians / Vietnamese cannot), but I doubt you'll find many of them far from work sites (mostly construction / factories).

As for the language, Lao is similar enough to Thai that they wouldn't have an issue.[/QUOTE]Let me clarify you guys.

I got a nice sweet girl in Insomnia who is from Laos. She is now kind of my GF over here till the time I'm here and she is staying with me in my hotel. When we first met she told me she is from Laos and later I verified the same by checking out her passport, she is Lao and fluent in Thai. She has a friend who is from Indonesia who doesn't know Thai. Upon asking my GF how her friend manages here she told me that her friend knows a bit of Thai and okay in English thus somehow managing.

I asked her regarding the work permit and she says "They get a 2 month Visa and re-enter Thailand upon visa expiration". They don't have any Thai card, rather they use their passport as ID card. And of-course no one is forcing them into business, it's their own decision to come into business.

As per my GF's input there are ladies who are from Asian countries work here. Lao, Indo and Cambosa ladies are top among them. I personally have met 2 Indo ladies on my first day. I stopped mongering in Pattaya from 2nd day onward since my GF is taking care of me, otherwise I might have found some more ladies.

As per my experience these ladies work mostly as FLs and can be found at Freelancer bars like Insomnia / iBar, not sure if they stand in beach road.

Feel free to hit Insomnia after 10 pm and you may find someone interesting.

Started off the day looking to get a pedi cure. Yep, figured I have been walking so much and getting way too many blisters, that it was time to treat my feet. Started off at 10 am. Went to five places before I found one that was open and had a girl there ready to work. 45 minutes later and 200 baht plus 100 baht tip and I was walking on easy street. Had lunch at Central Festival. Came back to room and rested till about 4:30 pm. Headed over to the Caf on Beach Road and Soi 10. Had a sandwich and a couple of beers. Watched the girls go by till about 8 pm. Started walking up and down Beach Road looking for a girl. Found a very good looking 25 year old from Bangkok. Quoted her and she said 1000 baht. I said this is Pattaya, 700 baht. She said 1000 baht. I said discount for Pattaya. She said how much? I said 700 baht. She said 800 baht, ok. Deal. Work out the details (forgot to mention photo shoot). Walked over to the motor bike, at first she didn't want to wear her helmet. I insisted. She sports the safety gear and off we go. Come up Pattaya Thai and make the turn at Tony's Gym and continue up the street. Right into a police check point. They wave us thru and I stop at the hotel. My girl asked why they didn't stop us. I said because we both wore helmets. Get to the room, pull out the camera and she freaks out. Poor thing is acting like I pulled out an axe. I put away the camera, calm her down and told her it was ok and everything will be alright. Walked her to the door, motioned for her to exit, she steps into the door way and I give her 100 baht for taxi back to the beach. Yeah, I know. I should have ran the photos by her at the beach while talking shop. I have slipped on that one a couple of times now, but all of the girls so far agreed. 22 said yes to photos this trip and one girl said no.

Oh yeah, thanks Mr. Enternational!

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1853342]Sounds like good times Sudumalli. You mentioned the girls were different prices, how much were the prices?

Nothing much to report from last night. Swung by the Music Festival around 8 pm. It was kind of nice not having to worry about traffic on Beach Road. I came down Soi 10 on the motor bike. That is where the road block ends on the south side. Lots of vendors, lots of food, still kind of early, it wasn't too crowded. Didn't stay long, I am still a little under the weather. Went back to hotel and rested. Later I picked up my massage girlfriend and took her to her place. Yep, she road me like a rented mule. After, headed back to the hotel to rest some more. Had to take a different way home because part of Beach Road was closed. I've been staying up to near sunrise a lot lately. Easy to do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Girls with red tags were 2000, blue I think was 2500 (can't exactly remember this) and yellow were 3500. So it ranges between that.

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1851825]

So I had my lunch at Bay Watch. They under cooked the eggs, again. And on my way out one of the girls that work there didn't watch where she was going and slammed into me. No big deal, right? Well, she said "shag wow!" Which, correct me if I'm wrong, means "jackoff". I just turned to her and shook my head. That's the second time they have cussed at me on this trip. And it's also the second time I had to send the food back to get cooked. They used to be really good there. Too bad, they just lost my business. I know, one customer, big deal. My point is, if you are thinking of going there, be ready to send your food back to get cook and don't be surprised if they cuss you on your way out. I have to imagine they didn't know that I understood what they were saying. But I did.

[/QUOTE]Bummer. That was my favorite place to eat breakfast on my last trip. Have been looking forward to eating there again. I guess I will have to ask them to overcook my eggs.

Hello guys,

Visited Thailand in the beginning of February and was in Phuket, Pattaya and Bangkok.

Will be writing a detailed account of all experiences soon. Have been a little tied up with work and another small trip I made in between.

Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1853509]
As per my experience these ladies work mostly as FLs and can be found at Freelancer bars like Insomnia / iBar, not sure if they stand in beach road.

Feel free to hit Insomnia after 10 pm and you may find someone interesting.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the extra info, Tom. Indonesians are my favorite. Guess I'll have to find my earplugs and visit places like Insomnia (damn, do I hate those) to find the two you're talking about.

There aren't many non-Thai Asians on Beach Road, as far as I can tell. One Cambodian (still active), and one Lao (in the past), that I know of.

Cruising Beach Road this past week, lots of talent from about 4 pm to late night. Due to the music festival this weekend several band stands have been set up, a big one on the beach sidewalk across from the Hilton, but from the Hilton down to around Mike's Shopping Center plenty from which to choose.

I was able to sample four wonderful selections, each short time for 500 THB. Very satisfied.

Went back out around 10:30 pm. Started walking the beach around midnight. Met a young short girl and started chit chatting. She wasn't warming up, she had her game face on. I priced her and she said 1000 baht. He girlfriend next to her said 500 baht. I said oh really? She said she was joking. So I said nice to meet you and walked away. Got to I think it was near the Royal Garden Plaza when I saw three Russian woman who were drinking and being loud. I stopped when one of them sat between two Thai girls and started mocking them. It wasn't long until one of the Thai girls had enough and attacked the Russian girl and a small brawl broke out. It was quickly broken up and I left. I hopped on my motorbike and drove closer to Walking Street. Headed back in the direction of the brawl and saw the three Russian women. The one that was mocking the Thai girls before was shouting and pointing at the other Thai girls. So, the Russian Woman did not get arrested. I didn't make it to the location of the brawl to see if the Thai girl was there or not. I stopped and priced two more girls. Both had their way too serious game face on and both quoted 1000 baht. I decided to go to Walking Street.

Walked up and down walking street stopping at 7/11 to grab a beer when empty (39 baht). Stopped in Marine Disco about 2:30 am, dead. Kept Walking. Ended up in a club near the entrance of Walking Street. I didn't even look at the name. I think it was Walking Street Disco. Anyway, the music was good. Lots of girls dancing. I stayed and had a couple of beers (110 baht each). Then, like their shift was over, a bunch of the girls left. So I left to. I headed back to Marine Disco and it had picked up quite a bit. Had a beer and listened to music and enjoyed the view. I notice three girls checking me out. One was too drunk, one look too snooty and the third was looking like the one. Then I noticed a girl off to the side dancing her ass off and sporting a big smile. Bingo! I walked over and we started chit chatting. The music was so loud it was hard to hear. We danced and danced and danced. I finally asked her if she wanted to go with me. She said yes and I started working out the details. When it came to the subject of BJ's, she said condom. That killed my buzz. I said nice to meet you and walked away. It was 4:30 am. I was hungry and decided to call it a night and grab a bite before I left. I know, dud of an evening. Oh well, there will be tomorrow.

Thanks Sudumalli for answering my question.

Day 6:

The days are starting to become a blur I took a day off from the monger tour just to give my cock a rest, some of these ladies beat the hell out of it trying to give you a hand job.

Day 7:

Woke up and had breakfast and today is laundry day, I remember seeing a sign on my first day into Pattaya on Beach Road. So I set off to find it, I ended up walking all the way to Soi 1 from Soi 13 with a laundry bag over my shoulder and sweeting but I found one. Took my first motorbike taxi ride back to the hotel it was pretty awesome to ride down Beach Road with the wind in your face checking out the sights.

Went to the movie which I online but forgot to write down the address or the Soi it was near, I thought the motorbike driver would know of this theater was. So the motorbike driver dropped me off at Soi 6 and I needed to walk back to Soi 9 to the Central Festival Mall. Wow what a huge mall, six floors high and loads of shops and restaurants too check out later. There was an announcement to rise for the King's anthem.

After the movie I walked Rasputin massage and on the way two-tour buses past me in this little alleyway an Asian tour group disembark to a lady boy show. I reached Rasputin and turned left into fishbowl area, I didn't find any of the ladies attractive to choose from.

Walked back to the main road and down to Sabai Room, walked into this place and was immediately greeted by a Papa-son telling me my options about the ladies. This place had a better line up than Rasputin; there were a couple of ladies to busy with their hand phones and some waving to catch my attention. I saw a very cute girl who looked like a girl I know from back home, she was sitting next to a lady waving trying to suggest I should take the two of them together. But I choose number 203; this beautiful lady looked Chinese with a wonderful almond shape typeface. She came down and the Papa-son said "great choice you should tip me for that". In my mind I'm thinking you did jack except for writing up the slip. The three of us walked to the cashier and I paid 2,000 bth.

We walked to the elevator where another couple was waiting to head up to the rooms, I would have not chosen her but everyone eye of beauty is different. I introduced myself and found out #203 was Nanh, just like my friend back home who I would love to fuck. Nanh hollered down the hall for the attendant to find out which room to use, she got an answer and we talked into a room and seconds later the attendant showed up with Nanh's toolbox. A pink plastic handle basket with her number on it with all of her soaps, lotions, tissues and condoms Nanh got the water going while I got undressed. She told me to lie down on the bed, Nanh stripped down. Nanh placed a towel over my feet and started with a body massage with the towel over my body while the tub filled. By the time Nanh finished my back it was bath time, she washed me all over I like the soapy best of all. Next was the air mattress for more soapy time and that wonderful scissors thing that they do sliding all over your body! We showered off and turned back to the bed for the finally, we hit all the standard positions HJ, CBJ, cowgirl, miss and doggie she would not let me dine at the why but all was still good. Nanh had no tattoos, no stretch marks just prefect see / the size boobs with chocolate nipples. Once we were all done and dressed she walked me down stairs I tripped her 200 bth, as I walked out I saw the Papa-son he had a big smile, so I tipped him 20 bth his smile turned to a frown.

After that I made my way down to Walking Street for some Go-go time. I made my way up & down the street until I popped into Living Dolls 1, for my first Go-go experience. My thoughts going into this were I'm not going bar fine anyone just after a very good soapy but just too check out the scene. I was shown a seat right in front of the stage. There were two dancers talking with each other as I ordered a beer the dancer closest to me turned to me and introduced herself which I could not hear over the music let's call her D1, I ask if she would like a drink. Once our drinks came we moved to a table on the left hand sidewall. After toasting D1 starts grinding her ass into my crotch so I grab that ass while she's was doing that for a bit. D1 turns and straddle me and gives me a peck on the lips, next thing I know she pops out a nipple before going off to dance. This gives me a chance to check out the place because D1 was all over me like I'm not used to. Back home at the strip clubs the dancers barely grind on you and no touching what so ever. So I take in the scene and most of the girls on the stage are fully dressed there's one who is topless until this big boob dancer gets on the stage and takes off her bikini top and bottom off to expose her tattoos and shaved pussy, she looked pretty good.

D1 returns still fully dressed after about 1 minute and start grinding on me all over and calls another dancer over (let's call her D2). D1 introduces D2 her as her cousin, D2 is cute and just as wild as D1, I ordered another round of drinks for these too. D1 is once again grinding into my crotch while D2 places my hand on the bench and them sits on it. I begin to pock at her pussy and trying to get it under her shorts and panties with no luck. At this point a Mama-son made her way over to me and started saying something, I think she wanted to know if I would be bar fining either of these two. I could not hear her or was too distracted by these two over me. She went away after a few seconds later and I think it's time for me to get out of there before all my money is gone, knowing I was not going to bar fine anyone tonight!

Got to the Beach around 4:30 pm and started walking. Wasn't long that I met a 30 year old with an ear to ear smile. I pull up and we talk for a bit. I price her and she says 800 baht. I ask for a discount and she says 800 baht. I ask for an old man discount, she laughs and says 700 baht. Bingo! We work out the details and off we go. Get to the room and had a great time. She was playful and a lot of fun. After, I gave her the 700 and a 100 baht tip. She asked if I would drop her at My Plaza. I said where. She said at My Shopping Mall, near soi 10. I asked, do you mean Mike Plaza. She piped up and said yes, MIKE Plaza. She actually said it very well that last time. I said, ah, I understand now. She, just like some other folks just got a little lazy with her pronunciation. It happens, no big deal. Dropped her at the Mike Plaza and she gives me a big kiss and a smile and thanked me. And off she went. Welcome to Pattaya!

I need that after a lame night last night.

I spent 2 nights in Pattaya for a transit flight in Bangkok several weeks ago. I went to a few gogo bars, and found out the overall fee is getting really ridiculous, average 3 K+ for a ST, the overall level also was getting worse every now and then I came to town. Could not find anyone worth pay bar this trip. But this trip I found a quite sexy African lady.

I found her sitting with another girl in some Thai food place near beach near soi 7, at first I thought she was tourist, but she gave me a big smile. We started talking and she tried to make me take both with her friend, but her friend was too chubby for my taste. She offered her to me for 2500ST, I have no idea how much she is worth because she is slender and young no baby and nice thick lips for BJ, I remember I took African lady before in Sukumvit and they asked me for 1500, so this one was young and slender so 2000 should be about right, but she was quite firm, but she offered again 2500 include a she called special African blow job, I had no idea what that was at first.

I gave in I was quite excited to put my stick in her thick lips. My hotel was kind of far from beach, she took me to a ST hotel in Soi 6, really bad room for 300, she was nice she said she cover the room cost so I just give her 2200, it was a good start.

She said her name was Maika, from Zambia, age 23, has been around quite a few places, she has been to HK, Macao, Japan, Netherlands, Germany, France ect showed me fotos on her phone, said her next stop will be Netherlands again, she said she could make most money there, Thailand is just a stop over. She gave me a really good blow, her so called special African BJ is like using tongue sucking and using her fingers at same time on the cock opening to get double stimulation, it was quite good, I blew it quite quickly, but a little disappointment was no CIM, she said she hates the after taste, she gave me another blow and expected me to screw her, but I did not get hard again, aging has caught up to me.

She did not allow any foto, said all men share fotos on internet, she is smart.

The next day, I saw another quite sexy African lady sitting with another two friends at a sea food place on beach road, I went to chat but she said she was waiting for a customer to come join her dinner, so that was it.

There seems to be more younger nicer African ladies passing through Pattaya?

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1853583]Work out the details (forgot to mention photo shoot). Walked over to the motor bike, at first she didn't want to wear her helmet. I insisted. She sports the safety gear and off we go. Come up Pattaya Thai and make the turn at Tony's Gym and continue up the street. Right into a police check point. They wave us thru and I stop at the hotel. My girl asked why they didn't stop us. I said because we both wore helmets. Get to the room, pull out the camera and she freaks out. Poor thing is acting like I pulled out an axe. I put away the camera, calm her down and told her it was ok and everything will be alright. Walked her to the door, motioned for her to exit, she steps into the door way and I give her 100 baht for taxi back to the beach. Yeah, I know. I should have ran the photos by her at the beach while talking shop. I have slipped on that one a couple of times now, but all of the girls so far agreed. 22 said yes to photos this trip and one girl said no.

Oh yeah, thanks Mr. Enternational![/QUOTE]Do you ever take video as well? I would like to do that once but I don't speak Thai so it would be difficult to arrange. When you work out your ST for 800 baht is that usually 1 shot /30 minutes or what is the standard for that? You and Leisure Dude have left some nice reports.

Thanks.

After a absence of just over a year I have returned to Pattaya. Looks like the Russians are taking over walking street, there used to be only on Russian club back in the days but there's a few now.

Attitude of girls is not the same as it used to be ofcourse every girl is not the same I'm comparing it to my previous trips.

I picked up a girl from Walking street and took her to my hotel just off walking street she seemed fine when negotiating but her attitude changed once in the room! Nothing special!! Damage 1000 baht short time.

Had a Russian / Uzbek approach me asking 1500 baht for short time I refused politely and said I'm here for Thai girls!

I've picked up 2 girls from beach road and would say that the level of service from the girls from beach road is far better than the ones from Gogo bars and Walking street. That's only my view based on my experiences!

One cutie I picked up from beach road was called Noi 22 years of age been in the game for 5 months originally from Bankok huge tits, really good GFE experience agreed a price of 700 bht uncovered BJ really knew how to use her tongue she even licked my backside too LOL. Actually that turned me on more! Total damage 700+100 tip. Great session.

The Hunt continues.

Went to the Cafe on Beach Road and Soi 10 about 10 pm. Had three beers, wasn't feeling it. I messaged my massage girl to see if she wanted some company. She said yes. Picked her up and took her to Walking Street. Doh, I didn't look at the name of the Club near the entrance of walking street. It's the Club that has the Thai Bands. Anyway, we had a couple of drinks, she's dancing her little butt off. At one point she goes to the toilet. Two girls sitting near by noticed I was alone and motioned if I want them to join me. I held up my beer and my dates glass. They caught onto what I was saying and that was the end of that. Makes you feel good to know you're wanted. We left at 2:30 am and went back to the hotel room. My massage girl likes to play cowgirl and ride me. And that's all she wrote.

Thanks Aabbaadd! No, I don't shoot videos. My understanding is porn is illegal in Thailand. I don't shoot anything with penetration either. It usually takes 2 hours or close to it for short time. You figure, negotiate the deal, the ride to the hotel, shoot photos (5 minutes), clean up, get down, clean up and drop them off at the beach. Yeah, it's closer to 2 hours most times. Sometimes the girls are in no rush to leave, so we chit chat for a while. Of the 23 girls I have had on this trip so far, only one I recall was worried about the time. But we had fooled around quiet a bit. And she had only mentioned it and wasn't making a big deal about it.

[QUOTE=LeisureDude;1853943]
Woke up and had breakfast and today is laundry day, I remember seeing a sign on my first day into Pattaya on Beach Road. So I set off to find it, I ended up walking all the way to Soi 1 from Soi 13 with a laundry bag over my shoulder and sweeting but I found one. [/QUOTE]LOL! Next time just walk into one of the soi's. I think there's a laundry in almost every soi. Actually there's one in Soi 13 where you started walking, opposite the Dynasty Inn Hotel, close to Second Road. But that one uses way too much washing powder to my taste. The laundry in Soi 12, not far from the Lek hotel, is better.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1854358]LOL! Next time just walk into one of the soi's. I think there's a laundry in almost every soi. Actually there's one in Soi 13 where you started walking, opposite the Dynasty Inn Hotel, close to Second Road. But that one uses way too much washing powder to my taste. The laundry in Soi 12, not far from the Lek hotel, is better.[/QUOTE]Mogwai mentioned one laundry opposite Dynasty. There is another one on the same soi that I have used for a long time. From Dynasty or Whitehouse walk down Soi 13 towards Beach Road. On the left side of the street you will see Sportsmans Pub. At that pub you will see an entrance leading inside the building housing the pub. It is near the Das Berliner sign. Walk inside and there is a laundry behind Sportsman. They are slighter cheaper than the one across from Dynasty Inn but the price difference is small. They are both good choices for inexpensive laundry services.

Didn't go to my usual watering hole this evening. Instead I parked at Soi 13/4 or so and walk up the Beach Road. Came across a cute young thing and stopped and said Hello,. Not the warmest reception. Talked for a few minutes and it was obvious this girl was all about the money. Priced her all the same. 1000 baht short time. I had zero vibe with this girl so I walked. She never did crack a smile. My experience is, if you don't feel it in the first few minutes, you probably won't (no matter how long / hard you try or how much money you dump). Kept walking and it wasn't long before I hit another cutie. Stopped, said Hello, chit chat, kind of a repeat from earlier. 1000 baht short time quote and no vibe. Kept on walking. Cutie with a big smile caught my eye. Stopped, talked for a few minutes. This one at least showed some interest. Big smile, got her laughing, quoted her and she said 1000 baht short time. Asked for discount, she said no. Asked for Pattaya discount and she said no. Asked for old man discount, she said she can not discount. Ok, thank you, and I walk.

Two minutes later I see and ear to ear smile locked onto me. I stop and say Hello,. This one is mid 30's, but typical Asian fashion, she aged well. She was very receptive, playful and happy. Asked how much and she said 1000 baht short time. I asked for discount and she said ok, 800 baht. Works for me. We talk more and I cover the job description. She agrees and off we go. Get to the room, photo shoot, shower. I actually followed her into the shower and she grabbed the shower head and started to wash me. This is the second time on this trip a girl washed me, and I kind of like it. Hop in the sack and have a great time. After, clean up, pay bills, drop her at the beach and grab a sandwich. Hung out on Beach Road for a few minutes and all the girls cross over to the shop side. OH oh, you know what that means, you guessed it, the police are driving the girls off of the Beach Walk again. Headed back to the hotel to rest for a few before heading out again later tonight.

[QUOTE=Allover;1854470]Mogwai mentioned one laundry opposite Dynasty. There is another one on the same soi that I have used for a long time. From Dynasty or Whitehouse walk down Soi 13 towards Beach Road. On the left side of the street you will see Sportsmans Pub. At that pub you will see an entrance leading inside the building housing the pub. It is near the Das Berliner sign. Walk inside and there is a laundry behind Sportsman. They are slighter cheaper than the one across from Dynasty Inn but the price difference is small. They are both good choices for inexpensive laundry services.[/QUOTE]Can anyone point me to a laundry that charges by the kg at a reasonable rate (preferably not too far from soi 6)?

In the Philippines it's usually a smooth ride, with almost all laundry shops charging by the kilo, but in Pattaya I found that most if not all shops do the by piece thing, and at high rates. I don't see why laundry services should cost that much more to provide in TH (I assume energy, water and detergents are tad cheaper in TH and Thai lavanderas slightly more expensive than pinays, just like in the full service sector).

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1854031]I spent 2 nights in Pattaya for a transit flight in Bangkok several weeks ago. I went to a few gogo bars, and found out the overall fee is getting really ridiculous, average 3 K+ for a ST, the overall level also was getting worse every now and then I came to town. Could not find anyone worth pay bar this trip. But this trip I found a quite sexy African lady.

I found her sitting with another girl in some Thai food place near beach near soi 7, at first I thought she was tourist, but she gave me a big smile. We started talking and she tried to make me take both with her friend, but her friend was too chubby for my taste. She offered her to me for 2500ST, I have no idea how much she is worth because she is slender and young no baby and nice thick lips for BJ, I remember I took African lady before in Sukumvit and they asked me for 1500, so this one was young and slender so 2000 should be about right, but she was quite firm, but she offered again 2500 include a she called special African blow job, I had no idea what that was at first.

I gave in I was quite excited to put my stick in her thick lips. My hotel was kind of far from beach, she took me to a ST hotel in Soi 6, really bad room for 300, she was nice she said she cover the room cost so I just give her 2200, it was a good start.[/QUOTE]Sawadee Krap!

Hi ShinShin,

Thanks for sharing your experience here. Sounds like you had some good fun, but have you tried any of the BJ bars or Soi 6?

I find it a much better value and the girls are very pretty and friendly. Just a thought.

After breakfast decided to see what kinds of tours I should sign up for in the following days. I stopped by Julie cruise director her at the hotel (am I showing my age? After speaking with the tour lady there were about four things that looked good to me first off was a tour of the Sanctuary of Truth the second reason I came the Pattaya beside the ladies, tiger zoo a chance to pet a baby and full grown tiger, parasailing and zip lining. I signed up for the Sanctuary of Truth for later today at 3:00 pm and the tiger zoo for tomorrow at 3:30 pm.

So I just hung around the hotel pool area my laptop. Walk to Mike's Mall for some gift for the folks back home. Saw some interesting sights while there seeing old guys trying on shirt and pants in the middle of the mall not in the shops off the main concourse but in the middle of the concourse seeing a guy in his tight-whites is something you don't see that back in the States!

Came back to the hotel to get ready for the excursion to the Sanctuary of Truth, met my drive in front of the hotel. He was a nice guy drove me there got me all checked in. Walked down the wooden stairs, one the attendants said the show has already started. There was some ladies doing traditional Thai dancing followed by some Thai martial arts with weapons it was pretty entertaining. After the show I walked around and inside the Sanctuary, which was truly beautiful.

On the way back to the hotel I ask the driver to stop at Soi 1 so I could pick up my laundry he said no problem but the Music festival had started and Beach road was blocked off to traffic so I would have to walk the final distance to the Soi. I ended running / walking to pick up my laundry and I got a blister on my big toe from running in flip-flops!

Jumped into the shower after my little run before heading off to Devil's Den for a little two-girl action. Check the location on the laptop and draw a map and wrote down the address this time making sure I didn't get lost. It was a short walk from the hotel, walked in and was greeted by Papa-son Dave. He ask if I know that they do there and I said "yes, I was just on the website"! He explained the rule of the line-up before inviting the ladies in for my review. There were a fair amount of ladies to choose from, the ones on the right side didn't interest me, though I was hoping for some A plus service. I choose two from the left side, first was Jen a short small chested dark skin lady and Gwen a fairly tall, light skin lady. I was hoping they would work well together. Most of the reports I had read about this place mostly say make your first pick and let that lady pick someone she works well with. But in the moment I forgot this. I paid 4,000 bth total for the two ladies and we walked up stairs. Jen strip down first and got into the shower first and I followed her while Gwen got things ready. Jen showered me down and cleaned me up, I walked out and Gwen handed me a towel while she went into the shower. Jen and I started off with a HJ and CBJ, while she was doing that Gwen started a porn that was on a short loop on the TV. I liked Jen she was doing all the right moves for me. Jen and Gwen switched potions and Jen started kissing my chest and me. Gwen hopped on for some CG and we went through a few positions before changing condom and ladies. I went back through the same positions this time with Jen and popping with her, we played around for the full 90 minutes. The three of us showered off got dressed and I tip the ladies 200 bth each for a good job in my eyes, we walked back down stairs were Dave greeted me again and asked if I had a great time. Which I did, the girls spent there time playing with me and not each other, which I know before going into the shop. I think it would be nice if they did play with each other as well, maybe I should have asked but still I had a great time with the ladies.

This will be my first time visit to Pattaya.

I will arrive tomorrow morning, at around 3 am at my hotel on Beach road.

Is there still any action worth to consider at that time, or shall I better go to bed and save my energy for the next day?

Thanks in advance for any recommendation.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1854699]
I will arrive tomorrow morning, at around 3 am at my hotel on Beach road.

Is there still any action worth to consider at that time, or shall I better go to bed and save my energy for the next day?
[/QUOTE]There are still some stragglers around Beach Road, Walking Street, and Soi Buakao.

If you're tired, you may well sleep, but if you're not, you'll sure find someone for a late short time.

[QUOTE=Allover;1854470]Mogwai mentioned one laundry opposite Dynasty. There is another one on the same soi that I have used for a long time. From Dynasty or Whitehouse walk down Soi 13 towards Beach Road. On the left side of the street you will see Sportsmans Pub. At that pub you will see an entrance leading inside the building housing the pub. It is near the Das Berliner sign. Walk inside and there is a laundry behind Sportsman. They are slighter cheaper than the one across from Dynasty Inn but the price difference is small. They are both good choices for inexpensive laundry services.[/QUOTE]I'll remember that for the next time I'm back this way.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1854699]This will be my first time visit to Pattaya.

I will arrive tomorrow morning, at around 3 am at my hotel on Beach road.

Is there still any action worth to consider at that time, or shall I better go to bed and save my energy for the next day?

Thanks in advance for any recommendation.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Best go to bed Lev, its low season now, save your energy, my advice to you is go to a gentleman club called Kinnaree place in jomtien, you will not regret your choice.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1854482]Can anyone point me to a laundry that charges by the kg at a reasonable rate (preferably not too far from soi 6)?[/QUOTE]I don't know if there are any laundries that charge by the kg but maybe you can find a cheap(er) one east from Second Road.
Laundries between Beach Road and Second Road are usually more expensive I think.

Went to Walking Street at 1 am. Walked up and down, stopping at 7/11 for a beer. About 2:30 I stopped and watched six girls out in front of The Marine Disco. One of them was getting a lot of attention. The first guy that talked to her asked for a price because I seen her gesture 1500 baht with her hands. The guy took off shortly after. The next guy, minutes later, priced her too. I saw her hand gestures again. Same same, 1500 baht. He looked like he was bartering with her, but she wasn't having it. He walked. The other girls split. Another minute goes by and another man walks up to her. Again, I see the hand gestures, 1500 baht. The guy hangs around and I see 2500 baht. He takes off too. I finished my beer and walked over to her and say Hello, and ask her name (in Thai). I get her to smile and giggle. So I priced her (in Thai), she asked short time or long time? I said short time. She said 1000 baht. Wow, knowing a handful of Thai phrases pays off. I told her I was watching her from across the street and that I saw her gesturing with her hands the prices. She told me she quoted 1500 baht short time and 2500 baht long time. I asked for a discount (in Thai). She laughed and said no. I asked for old man discount (in Thai), she laughed and said how much of a discount? I said 800 baht (in Thai). She laughed and said 900 baht short time. I wasn't even really interested in her, I just wanted to hear her story. I said thank you, nice to meet you (in Thai) and walked away. She smiled and said good bye.

Went over to Walking Street Disco (typical no cover). Now I remember why I like this place, very clean, music other then techno and no smoking. I stay for a beer and just like my last visit here the majority of the girls leave about the same time. It was almost 3 am. I think they must close around that time. So I head over to the Marine Disco and there are a few people there. I have a beer and walk around. Wasn't long before a woman comes up and is all over me. She wasn't doing it for me so I said no thank you. Walked around a little more and ran into a girl I had a couple of weeks earlier. Stopped and said Hi. Her and her friend were actually leaving. So I walked around a little more and ran into two girls at a table. Big smiles and dancing about. I struck up a conversation with the first one and things were going well. Shortly after meeting them, the first one takes off to the restroom. So I talk with her girlfriend. A guy shows up at the table and asks where the first girl is. The girlfriend said in the toilet. So when the first girl comes back, she starts talking with that guy. Both girls were cute and it seemed to me like the first one was handing me off to her girlfriend any way. So I went with the Switch-a-roo.

We dance and dance and dance. I look over and there is that first woman I said no thank you to standing right next to me on the dance floor (stalker alert). I told my girl lets have a seat. I priced her and see said 1000 baht. I asked for discount, she laughed and said no. I said yes, welcome to Pattaya. She said how much. I told her, Pattaya discount and old man discout, 700 baht. Yep, that lit the fire under her butt. And yes, I was joking with her the whole time. I said lets go and off we went. Get to the room and had a spectacular time. I don't usually let the girls stay over, but it was late and we were both tired. About noon she gets up and showers. I told her ok, 700 baht. She pipes up. I gave her 1000 baht and she said thank you, I go now. I offered her a ride, but she refused and said she will walk. Welcome to Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1854800]I don't know if there are any laundries that charge by the kg but maybe you can find a cheap(er) one east from Second Road.
Laundries between Beach Road and Second Road are usually more expensive I think.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mogwai, I will try that!

Flying in from SFZ in only one week's time from now! Looking forward to some good rootings and reasonably priced laundry then. Cheers!

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1848112]I also witnessed a foreigner getting a citation for driving the wrong way on a one way street.[/QUOTE]That must have been me! Oh no it can't be, that was six years ago. Since then I've collected many more tickets, and I've started with my very first time in Thailand.

Good reports, like the straight style and absence of showing off.

Hello all,

I plan on taking my first trip to Thailand for 10 days at the end of April. There is a lot of content to take in on this site, which I am slowly doing. Thanks to the regular contributors. I have a few questions about my upcoming trip and would be very appreciative with any help you guys could provide. I'm a 25 year old engineer from the USA.

1) After / excluding the cost of travel to and from the country, can I have a good 10 day vacation for roughly 3,500 USD?

2) I'm going as a bachelor. Should I plan on paying for a new companion every night? Should I find a stunner early on and try to hang on to her as a tour guide?

3) What type of places should I look into staying? I plan on splitting time between Pattaya and Bangkok but maybe visiting the northern parts if feeling adventurous.

4) Do hotels mind me bringing girls back to them?

Any advice you gentleman give this fellow looking to have a great time is appreciated. I have been traveling pretty much non stop for work for the last 22 weeks and am in desperate need of good R&R. Really looking to make this the vacation of a lifetime.

Walked the Beach a little today. Then went for a one hour oil massage, 300 baht plus tip. That was around 3 pm. Later, that evening, went up and down the Beach walk pricing girls. 1000 baht and standing on that quote was the norm. Was able to talk a couple down to 800 baht, but ended up passing. Ran across a girl that was friends with a girl I kicked out of my room a couple days ago. Yes, she wasn't very happy. I told her to have a good day and continued my quest. Got all the way up to Soi Pattaya Klang and turned around. Didn't see anything that caught my attention. So, went to the room and rested. About 11 pm I text my massage girl and asked if she want to boom boom. She said yes so I picked her up and we fooled around. Dropped her at her apartment and gave her 500 baht for taxi / lunch / what ever tomorrow. She thanked me and off I went. Got to bed about 3 am.

Next morning, Wednesday, about 11 am I headed out and dropped of images for development. After I drove down soi 6 and saw a big smile. I stopped and struck up a conversation. I priced her and she said the bar fine at Lover's Lane was 300 baht and she was 1000 baht. I am leaving tomorrow and had things to take care of today so I didn't even think of bartering. Don't know that it would do any good, and I don't really care at this point. Get to room, photo shoot, clean up, get down, clean up, drop off. Great time, she was worth the couple of extra baht bar fine. Came back to room to rest a spell, but that was cut short. A group of Chinese came in last night and they were in the hallways smoking and being loud. WTF!? So I went over to a local sewing shop and had one of my bags altered, 80 baht. Then I picked up my laundry, 250 baht. Normally, my bill has been 195 baht. But today she upped the price. Oh well, I will consider it an exit tax.

[QUOTE=LaxinBuddy;1855111]
1) After / excluding the cost of travel to and from the country, can I have a good 10 day vacation for roughly 3,500 USD?

2) I'm going as a bachelor. Should I plan on paying for a new companion every night? Should I find a stunner early on and try to hang on to her as a tour guide?

3) What type of places should I look into staying? I plan on splitting time between Pattaya and Bangkok but maybe visiting the northern parts if feeling adventurous.

4) Do hotels mind me bringing girls back to them?
[/QUOTE]1) Yes, $350/ day is more than enough. Even half of that would be fine.

2) Get a feel for the scene and what you like first. If you find someone you have good chemistry with early on, you can keep her as long as you enjoy it (and she agrees). Otherwise, try various girls, there's plenty of fish in the sea. Don't really expect stunners, Thai girls in the prostitution industry, especially in Pattaya, are mostly fugly (compared to the girls you'd see around Bangkok in the daytime). If amazing looks are your #1 priority, maybe Pattaya (or Thailand in general) is not the best destination these days. However, the girls are plentiful, and there is never a need to keep someone you don't feel completely comfortable with, and that only if you do not prefer exploring. Thailand these days is not the same as 10 years ago, not sure how common the multiple-day "travel guide" arrangements are these days, most better looking girls are looking for short times. A spoiled, self-obsessed agogo hooker ("stunner") may not make the best travel guide or companion for that matter.

3) With your budget, you can stay anywhere you like. Do note that more expensive hotels are occasionally a bit more fussy about you bringing back girls (it's not a moral objection, they're just looking for a sizeable payoff, because they can). You'd rarely have trouble at midrange or low-end places.

4) Depends on the hotel. You can ask when you book / check in. Do remember that short time hotels are always an option (for 300 baht, so if your fancy hotel asks for much more than double that, tell them to f* off).

Do research the going rates, and don't overpay. Paradoxically, overpaying generally leads to same or worse service, never better. If a girl can make you pay 2-2 x the going rate, she'll often also think she can get away with half the customary service.

Last night in Pattaya. Dropped off the motor bike. I have been to Pattaya four other times and this is the first time I rented a motor bike, I highly recommend it. Well worth the 1200 baht a week. After dropping of the bike I walked over to Central Festival for dinner. Still kind of early, so I watched a movie (140 baht). Walked the Beach towards the Hotel and spot a short cutie with a big smile. Stopped, struck up a conversation, talked shop and priced her. She said "how much do you pay me? I said "free!". She laughed and said no, really? I said it's Pattaya, 500 baht. She said ok, lets go. We jump on a motor taxi and off we go. 100 baht later we are at my hotel. Photo shoot, shower, hold up, stop the press. She was acting like a tweeker when I got out of the shower. Bad Dog! Oh well, lets see how this goes. As I expected, she couldn't stop moving. Tried and tried, it just wasn't working. Then she starts bucking up about time. That's it, time for somebody to leave. Gave her the 500 baht we agreed on and 50 baht for the motor taxi return. And she asked for a tip. I just smiled and said no. No finish, no tip. Off she went. So now I'm all packed and ready to go. My total guestimation is: $2900 US. Air fare, 26 days in Thailand, 27 girls (boom boom massage girl 4 or 5 time), hotel, motor bike, one hour oil massages (a few), photo development, food, beer (moderate drinker) , taxi's, buses, Sauna, one pedi cure (may I keep my man card), one mani cure (no really, I want to keep it), laundry (kind of pricy here) and anything else I may have not mentioned. Welcome to Pattaya!

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1855428] ...
laundry (kind of pricy here) [/QUOTE]All good advice. What I do is take permanent press clothes if possible (I don't wear T-shirt, short pants and the like), wash and spin it at any token machine of which there are plenty, then have pressed what needs to be.

Another way is to hand the stuff to the maid, together with the money that is right to pay. E. g. 300 Bt. For a full bag and pressing. That is near to what she makes in a day, so unlikely to refuse.

[QUOTE=LaxinBuddy;1855111]Hello all,

I plan on taking my first trip to Thailand for 10 days at the end of April. There is a lot of content to take in on this site, which I am slowly doing. Thanks to the regular contributors. I have a few questions about my upcoming trip and would be very appreciative with any help you guys could provide. I'm a 25 year old engineer from the USA.

1) After / excluding the cost of travel to and from the country, can I have a good 10 day vacation for roughly 3,500 USD?
[/QUOTE]Heck yes! That should be plenty. This is the off season so hotels are cheap. Book on Agoda if you haven't already. I will be there end of April, first part of May, and decent, lady friendly hotels can be had for $40-$45 per night. You can find cheaper and you can find much more expensive. For the girls, figure around $25 per WS or BR freelancers, $50 per Soi 6 girl, and $100 to up to $160 per gogo girl. For gogo's, you need to factor in ST or LT, and how much you drink. Drinks can add up! Food can be cheap, or it can be as expensive as it is in the USA, depending on what you want to eat. But for sure, you can take a FL in the afternoon, a Soi 6'er in the evening, and a gogo girl in the night for under around $200/ day. That leaves a bunch for food, drinks, transportation, etc.

[QUOTE]
2) I'm going as a bachelor. Should I plan on paying for a new companion every night? Should I find a stunner early on and try to hang on to her as a tour guide?
[/QUOTE]Well, you are expected to pay at the conclusion of services for FL girls, and often in advance for gogo girls. I agree, stunners will unlikely want to hang with you unless possibly you pay them a lot! Some of the normal looking girls, but still cute, may be happy to stay with you for a reasonable fee. I had one random cutie pick me out of the crowd and announce she wanted to stay with me to rest of the trip. I am in this more for quality and variety than companionship, so I declined. You need to know in advance what you goals for girls are. Are you going to go for the gogo hotties and try to get in one per day, or do you want to concentrate more on quantity. I like to find the cute but cheap ones during the day (BR FL and Soil 6), then try to find the real lookers at night. Don't get me wrong, many of the FL girls and Soi 6 girls are quite cute, though many more are dogs. I have contemplated a day time GF to hang with, but they can get jealous I have heard, so be careful. What do you want?

[QUOTE]
3) What type of places should I look into staying? I plan on splitting time between Pattaya and Bangkok but maybe visiting the northern parts if feeling adventurous.
[/QUOTE]Don't try to do too much! Each place is different and it takes a few days to get the lay of the land and to figure out how things work. Bangkok is very complicated! I would actually recommend you head down to Phuket for 4 days and learn the ropes there. Stay at a hotel near Patong and Bangla Road to be near the action. Take a tour or two. Visit a MP during the day and enjoy BR at night. It can prepare you for the madness of Pattaya. I like to stay at Dynasty Inn and Sandy Spring on Soi 13 in Pattaya. Decent, but inexpensive hotels, in the center of the action.

[QUOTE]
Any advice you gentleman give this fellow looking to have a great time is appreciated. I have been traveling pretty much non stop for work for the last 22 weeks and am in desperate need of good are&are. Really looking to make this the vacation of a lifetime.
[/QUOTE]Look at this as the first of several trips to the LOS! Read the the forums for the past year. Maybe check out mine from last April / May and November / Dec, where I chronicle my own adventures as a newbie. Figure out what kinds of adventures you want and concentrate on those. Ask us any specific questions you have.

[QUOTE=SixtyTwoEcho;1855428]Walked the Beach towards the Hotel and spot a short cutie with a big smile. Stopped, struck up a conversation, talked shop and priced her. She said "how much do you pay me? I said "free!". She laughed and said no, really? I said it's Pattaya. [/QUOTE]Sixty Two Echo's remarkable reports have been hugely entertaining but have also served to confirm to me why Pattaya (Bangkok and other Thailand places) are just no longer worth bothering about.

After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago. 62 echo's report have confirmed to me why this decision was not just the right one, but a very much overdue one.

I have never chosen a girl from Beach road. These women are really the lowest of the low and every man has his limits which he won't sink to. These girls really have no choice except stand out in the midday sun or dodge police patrols at night because they have absolutely nowhere else to go. It was not just so long ago that girls on Beach road were all grateful for 500 baht short time and it was a question of, assuming you were into this kind of thing, just walking the beach walk and after being bombarded by scores of women begging for you to go with them for 500 baht that eventually you gave in and just give one a chance.

Now they give you the 1000 baht short time pitch. Take it or leave it.

As for the freelancers who visit the nightclubs and bars around Walking street, 1000 baht long time for many, many, many years was the absolute gold standard. Occasionally some would ask for 1000, five (1500) and you would give in if you really liked them. Now 1500 seems to be the starting point for short time for these type of girls.

With regards to go go girls, they jumped their prices from 1000/2000 (ST / LT) just a few years ago to 1500/2500 and then to 2000/3000+ very quickly after that. So they were never value for money at any stage.

However, now it seems that some are asking for 3000 baht short time and that is before you pay the bar fine fee of 1000 baht+ plus numerous lady drinks at 150 to 200 baht+. Next stop?, paying a door fee to enter go go bars and minimum spends once you go there?

The rationale for spending the best part of 1000 pounds / euros / dollars on a flight to Thailand was that once you got there the other costs, food, hotels, drinks, women were far cheaper than in the West so in the end you made a vast saving overall.

But this is clearly not the case anymore as prices for women, at least for short time, are actually the same or even cheaper in the West. This is despite the fact that you get a wider variety of different nationality girls to choose from in the West. Plus the fact that you will find it difficult to find any go go bar girls willing to do long time anymore; girls often trying to turn long time into short time once they get to the room; or turning shy / not willing to deliver what they promised when you were in the bar.

So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.

Like Mr T, I am no longer willing to get on that plane.

Hello bro.

I'll be in Patts from 24 March for 5 days.

This is my second time, could you please recommend me some best place for pool parties and gentlemen's club.

It would be of great help.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1855505]Sixty Two Echo's remarkable reports have been hugely entertaining but have also served to confirm to me why Pattaya (Bangkok and other Thailand places) are just no longer worth bothering about.

After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago. 62 echo's report have confirmed to me why this decision was not just the right one, but a very much overdue one.
...
So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]The problem is, where? I've been to many places in the wrold, even certainly not all, and Thailand is still hard to beat for a single man.

Remaining in the regionin, you could say Philippines (which I still have to visit), but being honest is not like bad food, an overtly chauvinistic and violent culture plus the hypocrisies of Catholicism do attract me very much.

I think that what one gets from Thailand largely depends on how one plays it. If the expectations are to get the same experience of 10 or 15 years ago, that's clearly impossible.

But when I tried and took the risks and cost associated with not acting like most Western men do in Thailand I was rewarded with a lot of fun, pleasure, and genuine feelings.

Even after everything has long ended, I do not regret a single thing, sometime it was about kicking out a girl in the middle of the night, sometime it was paying, without being asked, to reunite a mother with their children.

Of course that's doesn't mean you have to marry a bar girl, just that you have to look at things in perspective. You can't win all the time, and some wins are not counted in bangs per buck.

Thanks FL Hawk and Crocodilexp.

I have narrowed my lists of hotels down to 4 in each of the 3 cities I plan on visiting. Starting in Phuket, then Pattaya and BKK. I figure I will inquire about those in the hotel threads. Is that a good number to begin narrowing with?

Is everything I will find in these places pay for play? Going out to dance clubs and disco's is generally how I pick up girls my age in the states. Will being a young, decently attractive westerner only attract freelancers if I go out to these clubs or is there the chance of finding someone worth spending legitimate time with who will not require money for their time? More so a situation where I dote upon them and things flow more organically.

Thank you for the heads up about overpaying for service. I have spent enough time on these boards to understand that it doesn't benefit anyone.

How much of the language should I try to learn and how much will it benefit me?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1855505]

As for the freelancers who visit the nightclubs and bars around Walking street, 1000 baht long time for many, many, many years was the absolute gold standard. Occasionally some would ask for 1000, five (1500) and you would give in if you really liked them. Now 1500 seems to be the starting point for short time for these type of girls.

With regards to go go girls, they jumped their prices from 1000/2000 (ST / LT) just a few years ago to 1500/2500 and then to 2000/3000+ very quickly after that. So they were never value for money at any stage.
[/QUOTE]You make some interesting points. When I went to this site

[URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/inflation-cpi[/URL]

and clicked on "MAX" for the chart, I see there were three notable spikes in the rate of inflation in Thailand since the late 1970's, the most recent one being in 2008. I wonder if any of the price increases after "many, many, many years" that you mentioned were related to those spikes in the cost of living in Thailand more than anything else.

Since you did mention "value for money" as at least one factor regarding the go-go girl experience (or lack of it), would you say a decline in quality of service or "value for money" is also a major contributing factor for you in now deciding that the costs related to traveling to Thailand isn't worth it? I mean, I assume if your world was still being rocked by the ministrations of sexual pleasure by girls as hot as you remember them from a decade or more ago, you might not be noticing or caring so much about a 50% increase in what was probably a long overdue price increase since then anyway, right? That would improve your view of "value for money", no?

I am a believer that the reason punters, especially holiday punters vs expat residents of Thailand, will now sit uncommitted for hours in go-go bars or cruise the streets of Bangkok / Pattaya without choosing a girl for a romp has little to do with the cost or price increases that many of them are not even aware of, not having been here for the before and after, that is. It really isn't prohibitively expensive. UNLESS you factor in the quality of service /"value for money" element and that quality is more likely than not to be sorely lacking.

It is my belief that the reason many punters are reluctant to just point to the cutest or prettiest girl in the room or on the soi to walk off into the sunset with these days (as well as flying away after their holiday is over and not bothering to return any time soon) is almost exclusively about what a lousy romp or hassle they very well might have to field with their girl of choice, a gun-shy hesitancy, and an understandable one imo, that might be founded on as little as two previous encounters that turned into a grinding, annoying, lackluster or downright confrontational experience in the room after a deal was struck.

Anything to that for you as well?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1851088]When someone writes "She had a lousy attitude. She quoted 1000 baht short time", that's telling me it was the price that was the reason he walked away. I'm betting the "lousy attitude" was based on her not wanting to accept less than 1000. So he passed on a "very good looking young spinner" to go with a "thicker girl for 700 baht". Very good looking young spinners are hard to come by on beach road, I found one on my last trip and happily paid her 1000 baht. My point is 300 baht can easily be recouped by cutting out a few overpriced beers, walk into a 7-11 and crack a beer before going into a bar, this was my routine pretty much everywhere I went. Before walking into a bar with no draft specials I'd stop into a store for a cheap beer to chug down to keep me from chugging down expensive beers in the bars.[/QUOTE]Yeah, can't believe how cheap some of the folks are on here. I guess they are poor. Poor usually means other things, too, so not a mystery why the girls are turning them down, or they think the girls have attitudes, etc. Some are quibbling between 600 baht and 800 baht. 6 bucks? Give me a break. Maybe you shouldn't be mongering.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855459]Another way is to hand the stuff to the maid, together with the money that is right to pay. E. g. 300 Bt. For a full bag and pressing. That is near to what she makes in a day, so unlikely to refuse.[/QUOTE]When I used to stay at Sanya Apartments the maid would do exactly that. I ended up going to some chick's place and what did I see? All of MY clothes hanging outside to dry. I guess I found where that maid lives.

Started the day off today with an excursion to the tiger zoo a mini van with the tiger zoo logo on it stopped for me, I got in and there was a couple already in the mini van. I slapped on my seat belt remembering that movie line from the "Hangover 2" most people are killed in roadway accidents in Thailand I think that's how it goes. On the way to the zoo I thought I would catch some zees a few minutes into my nap the mini van is breaking real hard and I thinking I'm glad I'm wearing my seatbelt we didn't hit anything.

We got to the zoo and the mini van driver walks us over to the box office and two girls start placing stickers on us and gave us the low down on the zoo. I caught all three shows 1. Tiger 2. Crocodile 3. Elephant. The main reason I came to the zoo in the first place was a photo with a tiger, which I got. The tiger show was similar to the Gunther Gebel (another old reference) grabbed a nice seat right in front of the arena. The place was nice and empty then the floodgates broke and the other tour groups rushed in filling the stands! The show was pretty good but Gunther Gebel was better.

The crocodile show just down the walkway and I didn't get there fast enough because the stands were all filled, so grabbed a seat near the top. The show started with a boy and girl in there 20's pulled the crocodiles around the stage area. They started placed there hand and heads inside the mouths of the crocodile! After the show you could have your photo taken while sitting on the back of the crocodile, I jumped at that boy! Even though I was near one of the last people to level the crocodile show I was early for the elephant show.

Got into the shower after getting back to the room, to wash off the zoo trip sweat and to get ready for another soapy trip this time to Honey 2. Hailed a motorbike taxi down and set off to Soi 3 for tonight's fun, walked past some four guys sitting out front and into the fishbowl area and there were quite a few guys just checking out the ladies in the fishbowl. One of the Papa-son showed me to a couch and pointed out the price range starting 2,000 to 2,500 and 3,000 bth for the models if I remember correctly. Honey 2 had the most amount of ladies in a fishbowl that I had seen in Pattaya so far all shape and sizes. There was one lady in the back row really trying to get my attention out of all of the ladies there. She did not hit any of the check boxes that I usually look for in choosing a lady. I told Papa-son I would take her, and he called her down and we walked over to the cashier were I paid 2,000 bth house fee. I met #410 at the elevator and we made introduction and her name was something like "Tuk" there was more syllables too it but I couldn't get my tongue around all of it so Tuk it was. We entered an empty room and Tuk turned on the air con, TV and started the water in the tub. In walked an attendant and waiter, the attendant dropped off Tuk toolbox and the waiter took our drink order, I just got water and Tuk got a Fanta. Tuk unlocked her toolbox and pulled out all the bath soups, scrub brushes and etc. The waiter came back moments later with two glasses of ice and our drinks, I paid him for the drinks and he asked for a tip, which I was going to tip but just needed a second to take my change back from the drinks before handing him a 20 bth tip.

Tuk got under dressed and placed her hands over her boobs and said she had small boobs, in her dress they looked like see / the size out of the dress they were be size all natural which is nice. I think those padded push-up bras do an unbelievable job! Tuk helped me out of my clothes and placed them on wall hooks. We laid down on the bed and started talking while watching some of the Pattaya Music Festival on TV. Some moments later Tuk looked over at the tub and said okay it's bath time, we got in and the water was not as hot as I would have like it but still okay. Tuk washed me all over; when she did my arms she made shore to place my hands on her boobs for safekeeping. She pulled out a small brush and brushed my toes and made sure to get in between each toe. When she washed my back she made sure we were facing in a bear type hug while she did this. Her washing technique was so far the best on this trip. Onto the air mattress for the body-to-body slide she did the same as the rest of the ladies, but it seemed so much more sensual than the rest. On the bed Tuk knows what she is doing with no doubt, she ran through the usual position and acts too please.

After we finished on the bed we showering off and Tuk said she had a big belly from drinking to much beer with her friends. I dried off and got dressed while Tuk packed up her toolbox and bundled all the used towels. She said I was a good man because I folded my towel after using it, I told her that's how I was raised! I tipped her 200 bth and we headed for the elevator but on the way we past a storage room with all the other ladies toolboxes stack inside maybe for just that floor or the whole place but it was quite a few. The elevator was quite full with other customers and ladies and some other staff we parted with a hug just to the side of the fishbowl.

I talked back down Beach Road taking in the Music Festival; I stopped at the Reggie stage and took in this Thai ska band, which was pretty good along with the band on the main stage. I grab some food from the street vendors it was great, continued to Walking street to taking in the sights before heading back to the hotel for a good nights sleep.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1855505]


...I have never chosen a girl from Beach road. These women are really the lowest of the low and every man has his limits which he won't sink to...

...But this is clearly not the case anymore as prices for women, at least for short time, are actually the same or even cheaper in the West.

[/QUOTE]

Very long text. With no real information! And very misleading.
1. many Girls on Beach Road make ST for about 700 THB. Before they start work in the GoGo -> ST 2000 THB.
2. prices are absolutely OK, if you compare with the living cost! Beach Road starts at ST 400 THB to max. 1000 THB (for African Girl) - with high cost of plain / Police tee money etc.

[QUOTE=NickPardesi;1855507]Hello bro.

I'll be in Patts from 24 March for 5 days.

This is my second time, could you please recommend me some best place for pool parties and gentlemen's club.

It would be of great help.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Probably the best gents club you can go to is Kinnaree place, its off Soi 4 jomtien, there you will find nice relaxed club, 20/30 girls at any one time, nice relaxed surroundings, good music, bob Dylan / eagles / Hendrix etc, you can sit in the lounge with a drink and take in the atmosphere, girls are 1000 bht, and the room is 350 bht, its mainly a daytime venue, it closes at 9 pm, get there for about 3 pm, as some of the best, younger girls go home 6/7 pm. There is also a buffet on 2 days a week, when there is a buffet on, check your bill, because even if you don't have anything to eat the price of a buffet will be on your bill, so you have to check that and tell the waiter " no food" its pretty sneaky how they do it, because if your drunk and when you come to pay later you might just overlook that. Enjoy Kinnaree.

[QUOTE=LaxinBuddy;1855530]Thanks FL Hawk and Crocodilexp.

I have narrowed my lists of hotels down to 4 in each of the 3 cities I plan on visiting. Starting in Phuket, then Pattaya and BKK. I figure I will inquire about those in the hotel threads. Is that a good number to begin narrowing with?

Is everything I will find in these places pay for play? Going out to dance clubs and disco's is generally how I pick up girls my age in the states. Will being a young, decently attractive westerner only attract freelancers if I go out to these clubs or is there the chance of finding someone worth spending legitimate time with who will not require money for their time? More so a situation where I dote upon them and things flow more organically.

Thank you for the heads up about overpaying for service. I have spent enough time on these boards to understand that it doesn't benefit anyone.

How much of the language should I try to learn and how much will it benefit me?[/QUOTE]All places you have mentioned are rip off prices, your wasting your time looking for " the one" no such fucking thing here, you might find the odd girl for free, its possible, but you will have to pay, as for the language, forget it, I speak fluent Thai, and believe me, you wouldn't want to hear what these people say about us. Sorry to burst your bubble, times are not good here now, your about 10 years to late, its all greed, more money, etc etc. Take it for what it is.

Guys,

I am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be traveling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.

Anyone know about the Sapphire Club, walking street, they have a lot of good looking Girls, can you barfine anyone of them and what will the cost be for barfine, and for shortime? Would love to know, thanks, MT.

[QUOTE=MichaelTours;1855676]Anyone know about the Sapphire Club, walking street, they have a lot of good looking Girls, can you barfine anyone of them and what will the cost be for barfine, and for shortime? Would love to know, thanks, MT.[/QUOTE]Most club have strictly coyote girls which won't go. They will tell you very clearly which girl is a coyote and which is not. If you read any post in this page you will find what the current rates are. I do not think Sapphire is any different.

[QUOTE=LaxinBuddy;1855530]
Is everything I will find in these places pay for play? Going out to dance clubs and disco's is generally how I pick up girls my age in the states. Will being a young, decently attractive westerner only attract freelancers if I go out to these clubs or is there the chance of finding someone worth spending legitimate time with who will not require money for their time?
More so a situation where I dote upon them and things flow more organically.[/QUOTE]With an attractive woman that you meet at the disco there is practically zero chances. If you want another way, try dating sites.

[QUOTE]How much of the language should I try to learn and how much will it benefit me?[/QUOTE]How much you can learn depends on your natural disposition, anyone can have 10 polite words but that won't help in practice. Try with some video or free material and see how you go, but to be honest with you 99% of tourists drop the ball at 20 words.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1855607]Very long text. With no real information! And very misleading.
1. many Girls on Beach Road make ST for about 700 THB. Before they start work in the GoGo -> ST 2000 THB.[/QUOTE]There is to be said that on all girls working the street, maybe less than 10 also work at a club. Different styles, different choices.

[QUOTE=JohnnyNeedsMor;1855668]Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.[/QUOTE]You need 1000 Baht for Visa on Arrival. You can also download the form and fill it up before you arrive at the VOA counter at Suvarnabhumi airport.

[QUOTE=MichaelTours;1855676]Anyone know about the Sapphire Club, walking street, they have a lot of good looking Girls, can you barfine anyone of them and what will the cost be for barfine, and for shortime? Would love to know, thanks, MT.[/QUOTE]Girl with two digit numbers are on Salary, general BF is 800, but there are very few of them these days. Three digit are are Agency girls BF, is 1000. Depending on the time of year and events the BF could be 1500 and reduce to 1000 after Midnight? It is best to ask before you even buy a drink whether they can be BF and how much they will not be offended. The price range varies with each girl, I been quoted 2000/3500 just for ST, 3000/5000 LT.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1855728]You need 1000 Baht for Visa on Arrival. You can also download the form and fill it up before you arrive at the VOA counter at Suvarnabhumi airport.[/QUOTE]That is just the fee for visa on arrival. There is also a requirement for having cash as means of subsistence, which is 10,000 Bt visa exempt, 20,000 with any visa type, including visa on arrival. Normally not asked unless Immigration needs a reason to deny entry.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855716]With an attractive woman that you meet at the disco there is practically zero chances. If you want another way, try dating sites.

How much you can learn depends on your natural disposition, anyone can have 10 polite words but that won't help in practice. Try with some video or free material and see how you go, but to be honest with you 99% of tourists drop the ball at 20 words.[/QUOTE]I do about 150 X that many but it is NOT enough to carry on a "real" conversation. PasaThai mai ngai (Thai language is not easy).

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1855823]I do about 150 X that many but it is NOT enough to carry on a "real" conversation. PasaThai mai ngai (Thai language is not easy).[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. Pasa Thai yak mak mak!

[QUOTE=LeisureDude;1855597]Started the day off today with an excursion to the tiger zoo a mini van with the tiger zoo logo on it stopped for me, I got in and there was a couple already in the mini van. I slapped on my seat belt remembering that movie line from the "Hangover 2" most people are killed in roadway accidents in Thailand I think that's how it goes. On the way to the zoo I thought I would catch some zees a few minutes into my nap the mini van is breaking real hard and I thinking I'm glad I'm wearing my seatbelt we didn't hit anything.

We got to the zoo and the mini van driver walks us over to the box office and two girls start placing stickers on us and gave us the low down on the zoo. I caught all three shows 1. Tiger 2. Crocodile 3. Elephant. The main reason I came to the zoo in the first place was a photo with a tiger, which I got. The tiger show was similar to the Gunther Gebel (another old reference) grabbed a nice seat right in front of the arena. The place was nice and empty then the floodgates broke and the other tour groups rushed in filling the stands! The show was pretty good but Gunther Gebel was better..[/QUOTE]Nice write up thanks for taking the time. The zoo and the soapy sound pretty good.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1855505]
After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago...

So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]Where, if I may ask?

Of course, the prices increased, but inflation is a fact of life. Over the last 5-10 years, food prices almost doubled, so no wonder pussy increased as well. The bigger problem is the availability and attitude / service. There are fewer girls, far worse looking, being far less pleasant to be around and doing less in bed (the semi-rushed minimal-service ST is increasingly the norm).

If prices are a concern, you can still find cheap (500 baht gets you laid if you dig deep and aren't picky), but huge selection and predominantly friendly, solid service are going away, and that can no longer be found even if you pay 5 x that much.

However, I don't know a place that's better, at least not in Asia. Philippines is a crime-ridden shithole, and AC has a far smaller selection than Pattaya. Indonesia is repressed (compared to the past) with venues often mafia-controlled, it doesn't have the free-wheeling spirit and places where affordable freelancers gather as Thailand does. Vietnam has good looks (and good prices if you know your way), but most hookers are looking out to scam you or provide crappy service if they can get away with it.

Thailand (both Pattaya and Bangkok) is depressingly shitty compared to 10 years ago. But unfortunately still better than all other places. I'd be happy to be wrong about this.

I'm done with my 11 days vacation in Pattaya-BKK. Returned to my home just 2 days back. I had a great time in Pattaya for which I'll write a detailed report since it's going to take some time, I'm already working on composing it.

Before I post the report there is something interesting I want to share with you intelligent people so that I can get great suggestions from all of you.

In short here is what happened. In my first day I met this beautiful girl from Laos in iBar (I already have mentioned about her in few previous posts. A detailed report of her service will come up shortly). This girl is cute & gave me a real good service in my first night with her, a real GFE experience I would say.

In the first night itself I got addicted to her & end up calling her once again. Later she stayed with me for 4 continuous days and a lot of good & bad things happened between us (I'll write them up in my upcoming detailed report). In my entire trip I was with her all the time. We had a great time & she become kind of my GF.

To be honest I fell in love with her (that's what I feel), and asked her to come with me to my hometown for a vacation. Eventually she told me about her family in Laos and all other sort of stuff. I liked her even more. While we were staying together I gifted her a dress and we have planned for a Koh Samui / Phuket trip together.

Now when my vacation got over and I prepared to leave Pattaya she become kind of emotional & I asked her to come with me so that we can know each other better, thus we may decide where our relationship leads. But she denied politely, but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".

Hell yes, now I came to know about her intentions of getting money from me & I simple skipped or rather ignored that discussion.

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.

My wingman and I just spent a week in Pattaya. On my first day, I did my usual slip'and'slide at Honey body massage. I lucked out as I picked a cutie and she turned out to be a sweet girl as well. I ended up seeing her 4/5 times, and I took her out on her day off. Unfortunately, her service was limited: covered BJ only, no kissing, no P2 P (private-to-private). The eye candy factor was strong enough though to make it worthwhile spending time with her.

Free Lancers (FLs): the FLs on Beach road have become my go to girls recently. Unfortunately, I struck out this time. My favorites from past trips were not available, and the current flock was nothing to write home about. In the evening there were close to 50/60 FLs, but I found only 4 or 5 to my liking. I used to find a lot more in the past. I ended up taking only 2 FLs from beach road on this trip. The price was 1 k baht for a session.

Also, the LBs (lady boys) were everywhere and I had some difficulty avoiding them. The line of demarcation between LB territory and female territory was blurred, or the LBs appear to be grabbing more space. The scene was not as much fun this time around.

I was pretty successful at the discos. I took a couple of girls from the WS disco. It gets going early, around 11:30 pm and that suits me fine, as I cannot stay too late. The prices are around 2 k Bahts for LT (long time).

I also ventured into the GoGo bars. It's always a fun way to start the evening. I noticed that Sensations did not have much eye candy this time around, compared to 4 months ago. What's Up was also a disappointment, as it is turning into "Asian Only". We walked in around 10:30 pm and noticed that the customers were close to 80% Asians of the preferred ethnicity. Worse, during the half hour we were there, we saw them kicking out other ethnicities (even white) to make room for a large group of Koreans. Those folks also behaved like they owned the place. We were sitting at the edge of the group and some of them were bumping into us and being loud. Eventually, they moved us to another area, and we left soon after we finished our drinks.

I liked Baccara, Skyfall, and Saphire. They had some decent lookers, eager for business, and the crowd was mixed and well balanced. I picked up a GoGo girl from Skyfall. I met her the first night and bought her a drink. She immediately initiated a barfine discussion. She wanted 2 k bahts for barfine and 4 K for ST (short time). After I declined, she upgraded her offer to LT (long time). I did not bite that night, but the next night, I was doing another tour of the GoGos and by midnight felt the urge to revisit that lady. I ended up barfining her, and I had a great time with her. I was also pleased that I did not end up spending a paycheck at that place, only one drink for her.

I also visited Kinnaree, 007, and the one right next to it. I had a session in each, and was pleased with the service / price combination. It was roughly 1 k for the session plus drinks, and a fee for the room in some cases.

I stayed at The Stay hotel the whole week on Soy 10, a nice hotel but the wifi sucked big time in my room on the 5th floor. I ended up using my iPhone Internet to connect at extra expense but a much better connection.

Overall, another fun trip. I saw the Korean singer, Psy, two nights in a row in GoGo bars. People were taking pictures with him. He was also generous as he was throwing big wads of baht bills on the dance floor. Someone mentioned that he was there for the Pattaya music festival, which was going on the same week.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.[/QUOTE]Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]. , but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".



. .[/QUOTE]In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.

It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl. The girl has seen and been with many of his types. Even if his offer is genuine marriage prospects now and if her family and the girl accepts, there is no guarantee the guy will follow through in the long run. Once a monger will always will be a monger. Temptation of fucking new pussies will always be there.

My advice to the guy is if you feel generous send her money. Think of it as a donation. When you visit take her gifts and keep her if possible as your company. At least till you get tired of her.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]I'm done with my 11 days vacation in Pattaya-BKK. Returned to my home just 2 days back. I had a great time in Pattaya for which I'll write a detailed report since it's going to take some time, I'm already working on composing it.

Before I post the report there is something interesting I want to share with you intelligent people so that I can get great suggestions from all of you.

In short here is what happened. In my first day I met this beautiful girl from Laos in iBar (I already have mentioned about her in few previous posts. A detailed report of her service will come up shortly). This girl is cute & gave me a real good service in my first night with her, a real GFE experience I would say.

In the first night itself I got addicted to her & end up calling her once again. Later she stayed with me for 4 continuous days and a lot of good & bad things happened between us (I'll write them up in my upcoming detailed report). In my entire trip I was with her all the time. We had a great time & she become kind of my GF.

To be honest I fell in love with her (that's what I feel), and asked her to come with me to my hometown for a vacation. Eventually she told me about her family in Laos and all other sort of stuff. I liked her even more. While we were staying together I gifted her a dress and we have planned for a Koh Samui / Phuket trip together.

Now when my vacation got over and I prepared to leave Pattaya she become kind of emotional & I asked her to come with me so that we can know each other better, thus we may decide where our relationship leads. But she denied politely, but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".

Hell yes, now I came to know about her intentions of getting money from me & I simple skipped or rather ignored that discussion.

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.[/QUOTE]Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different.

If you like Laos type girls, why not try to find someone like her in your country, if your country has diversity, like for example, the US. If not, then maybe you make a trip to Laos and I have a feeling you will fall in love with many other Laos girls.

The bottom line, with all due respect, is that you are young, naive and inexperienced. She is young, definitely not naive (she is a hooker) and definitely more experienced than you. I doubt she is going to allow herself to ever love you.

Why? Because she knows fully well the circumstances under which she met you. If she had met you in a regular way, say in an office setting in Laos, for example, and you lived and worked there. Then things would be different.

This particular situation has zero chance of working out for you and a greater than 50 PC chance of working out for her!

Good Luck. ' Cause I think you are going to need it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1855888]Thailand (both Pattaya and Bangkok) is depressingly shitty compared to 10 years ago. But unfortunately still better than all other places. I'd be happy to be wrong about this.[/QUOTE]Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1855888] Over the last 5-10 years, food prices almost doubled, so no wonder pussy increased as well. [/QUOTE]Are you trying to make the case that food and pussy pricing correlate ? Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years. My guess is that TH pussy pricing simply is a function of pussy supply and demand. It's easy to see that the supply side in Patts is suffering, compared to not too long ago. As some have suggested, changing demos may play a part, large age groups of improperly sex-balanced Chinese and Koreans are coming online, for instance.

MusicalTom,

You would be a fool to take advice from this forum on love and money. If you were to ask about sex and money then you can get some advice and filter it carefully.

Girls work in the bars to support their family. It is about survival to them. They don't have the luxury to have a fantasy love affair. They need to eat. It is as basic as that. They need to eat. If their partner can not provide for them then the partner has no value to them. Yes there are girls that rip people off. But I doubt all.

For whatever this may be worth, you might just budget a certain amount for her and test the waters.

In the end you will have to do what you need to do.

Best regards,

Dg8787.

P.s. Nothing is free. There is no free pussy

I am new member to this forum. I wish to travel Pattaya in the coming month of June. I had booked my hotel and flight tickets. My question is that I am an indian and not very fair in complexion.

Please guide the places to visit and where to avoid in Pattaya, so that I might not be humiliated in a country where I am traveling alone. I seek some pleasurable vacation in Pattaya me and nice mongering experience.

Please guide me.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1855954]Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different..[/QUOTE]Thanks to you all for your informative replies.

As per the points you put, here are some more things I would like to mention for a better understanding of the situation.

1- I'm of Asian origin live in Asia and I understand Buddhist culture up to a very good extend since it has similarity with my culture. I don't know her language but I'm familiar with other things like food, music, religion etc.

2- Coming to Laos, I've never been to this country and I don't have much idea how things work over there. But yes while I was with this girl I tried to get a glance of their culture like festivals, how they marry, how they work, food, family values and few other things. May be a visit to Laos will give me a good idea on this aspect.

3- She already has some idea of my culture since I'm of Asian origin and I'm not sure if she is more interested to more about my culture since I never asked her about this aspect. And coming to understanding me, I believe up to an extend she has understood me like how I work, how I earn, my food, my daily livings and all, I told her most of the things while we were together.

4- I have never lived in Laos and neither she in my country.

5- I'm an engineer and working in an MNC over here. Where as she told me that she has not studied much since they are poor and yes she is not educated when compared to me. I believe she is saying truth since she face a lot of difficulty to read basic English sentences and not so good in communicating in English as well. However she is trying to learn English.

6- I have a good career & she knows this. For her she works in a Beauty Parlor in Pattaya and does part time hooking job since she needs money to support her family. These facts are true since verified some of them myself.

I'm a 28 year old well fit unmarried guy which she is completely aware of. She is 20 years old and a divorced single mom (I've verified these facts). Her son is 3 years old she works in Pattaya to support her family. I'll post another report on this matter in detail tonight. Yes I do understand that this girl is in industry for some time and she definitely aware of how to handle men like me. But again I'm really not sure if she really loves me or behind my money, may be both or may be my money.

And I don't any specific requirement like Lao type of girl, I just loved her they way she understood & loved me. That's what I can say, but yes I don't know if it was love for me or for my money.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1855950]It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl..[/QUOTE]You are completely right. I'm also sure that the family of my girl do not know she is sleeping around for money since she is working in a Beauty Parlor. I even asked her once about her family knowing about her getting fucked for money to which she didn't reply anything, just kept silent and told she didn't want to share.

Like I said before this she got married at a age of 16-17, got divorced after a year of marriage since her husband tortured her and was having drugs with her money. She was previously working in Laos in a Beauty Parlor, but moved to Pattaya to earn money.

As per conversations and experience with her I can say she is not a regular hooker like other bar girls / FLs, she doesn't work in any bar. She just get hooked up sometimes when she is in need of money and I believe she is true in this aspect.

From my experience with I understood she definitely is not interested to get married to a Lao / Thai guy after her previous encounter, but I don't know if she really wants to get married. I'm saying this because after knowing everything about her family I simply told her if you agree with me we'll go to your home and I'll ask your parents to allow you to come with me and I'll take care of your family in financial aspects. But her reply was to wait for some time since she wants to understand and know me well.

I'm not really sure about sending her money. May you nice people can suggest me best.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1855949]In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.[/QUOTE]I know what you are saying and as a matter of fact it's true. But it's just that my heart is not ready to accept that and since she is still in touch with me I kind of believe she loves me. I might be totally wrong.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1855939]Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.[/QUOTE]I'm a well educated adult, so definitely I know that a real gilr should love you not your money. But after understanding her and her family's situation I agree to her that she needs money since she is the only person who is earning money for her family (her parents are getting old & they don't earn that amount of money to support her son and all other needs).

See I don't have any problem sending her money, even to Laos to her family but I just don't want to become a fool who pays to her and they one day when sending money stops she simply stops talking with me.

I know a lot of people reported this kind of matter previously, that's the reason I don't want to be an ATM for her.

Now since I've told a lot of useful info I believe you guys will be able to advice me on handling this situation.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.[/QUOTE]You have just given your answer: if you don't want to loose her and paying her a monthly stipend is the way to keep her, then by all means pay her.

But make certain that you drop all your western notions of "romantic love". She will keep working bars and going with many men to get the money to support her family. There will be no exclusivity when you are not around.

Quite probably her feelings for you are genuine. . . Only those feelings are maybe not what you think they are. Laos being even more traditional and conservative than Thailand, they equate "love & marriage" with how good you can take care for her and her familiy. There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect.

But are you ready to accept that? If yes, go ahead and I'm sure you will have a good time when you are together. But if it bothers you that she asks you for money, then you should better stop right now and return soonest to Thailand and party some more. You will see that there are many more ways to have fun besides having one GF only.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1856060]...There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect...[/QUOTE]Mr W, you are way ahead of most of us in this area. Sane and healthy most likely, but not for me. Another reason why I don't plan to get married with a WG.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1855957]Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.[/QUOTE]An excellent, thoughtful post, and one which I would nominate for an ROD if I had any idea how to do so. I think what you say is true not only of Thailand, but of most places, or at least most places in SE Asia. There's less frantic need to cram everything into one or two weeks, and permanent residents are more easily able to shrug off the inevitable failures or mistakes, because they know they will have the time to recoup.

I understand the frantic determination of short-timers to cram as many women as possible into a very tight, limited schedule; a constraint that's not relevant to those of us who live in the region. I've lived and worked in Bangkok, and now I live in the Philippines. From the standpoint of different perspectives for short-term vacationers and longer term residents, I don't perceive much variance between the two countries.

GE.

MusicalToM,



It is only human you ask a question here but already know the answer hoping to hear something different than what you already know in your heart. The more negatives opinions you get the more you will be drawn to being with her. It really doesn't matter whether she is from Laos or not her need to work the trade is the same which is money. As noted by Wolve. You need to leave that Love thing at home. I do not thing for one minute every girl is out to cheat everyone but I suggest you get this book if you haven't already. I've read this book myself and recommend it to many but reading it does not mean everyone is going to get it between the lines or as I say the bigger picture but it is a start " Thailand Fever " The other thing you need to leave at home is wanting to meet her family or whether you want her to meet yours or to spend more time in your country. If you are from the USA their rules which is slim and non for a Bargirl will help in you forgetting that notion. See as you noted she made it very clear to you what would it take and what it would take " taking care of her and her family " but that flew by you because you are stuck on this thing called Love. She might be a good catch and if you proceed I hope it works out for you. But remember although I have no idea where you are from most surveys in the West concludes 50% of the marriage don't work it is even harder and lower % for this type of relationship. Here my opinion in general in a humorous way is " The more the ATM dispenses the more she will Love you " " Good heart = how much the ATM dispenses " The most you can hope for in the future is she also grows to Love you. If you can't provide a Lifetime of providing for her and uplifting her status in life what good are you? This is precisely the reason she is working. If she wants just love she wouldn't be doing what she is doing and just stay at her village and marry one of her own kind. They work for money and although every working girls have heard stories great success stories usually overblown due to other girls just plain lying to show off the majority just does not work out. It is not easy for even yourself to just pick up and move and live in Thailand, how do you think they feel? Many are scared shit and have no idea how tough it can be on them. Many just do not have the mental fortitude to go through such a challenge. Right now you think you are in Love? She gave you in a few days what you have been missing your whole life and dream of because you never got it at home. Right now it is your little head doing the thinking when you wake up from your dream remember " The grass is never greener on the other side even all the way over here in Thailand " It takes a lot of work to keep grass green no matter where it is placed down to grow. She just said a few words but here is what she actually mean. A monthly income equal or close to what she makes now so she can quit and return to her village in LOS and still be able to take care of her family. Meantime don't be surprise calls for extra's to help fix everything that needs to be fixed or replaced. I can list you another million items but I think you got the idea! Last, I do hope it works out for you but reality you need to spend more time with her to know and knowing her isn't meeting her family. One of the major thing you do not want to do unless you plan to do the things I just mentioned is to meet her parents (read the book). And this is only a generalization if you found her at I-Bar, depending on her age, she is already headed to being harden if not already. Not what you wanted to hear but if you move forward, strapped up the seatbelt because you are in for a wild ride on this roller coaster? Good luck.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1855561] I see there were three notable spikes in the rate of inflation in Thailand since the late 1970's, the most recent one being in 2008. I wonder if any of the price increases after "many, many, many years" that you mentioned were related to those spikes in the cost of living in Thailand more than anything else.[/QUOTE]I don't think it has got much to do with Thai inflation. Stuff in the shops and hotel room rates have not gone up by 50% or more or jumped significantly every couple of years.

No, the real reason is greed by the providers and demand far out stripping supply. Add to that the more westernization of the girl's in their attitudes and that is why the Pattaya paradise has now turned into a nightmare.

Greed: Bar owners are constantly coming up with more ways for guys to spend more money for less sex. Coyote girls so higher fee, model from Bangkok, super model from Bangkok, show girls, lady shots instead of drinks (so can be drunk in seconds), cocktail drinks, drinks for professional dancers in nightclubs where before there were no dancers, pay up front (so you can't negotiate the price down with the girl), encouraging the girl to say 'I go dance' once she has her drink, staff trained to pressurize for tips, ping pong balls, girls walking round go go bars pressurizing for guys to buy shots. Pattaya is now more about expensive entertainment rather than sex.

Over demand / under supply: The greed problem is in part caused by the over demand. Now every man and his dog know that if they want a sex tourist holiday then Pattaya is the place. Hordes of young guys in their 20's turning up in Pattaya to party rather than going to their normal holiday destinations in Spain, Mexico, Greece, and so on. Lots of guys looking to party and spend lots of money. The girls would rather hold out for one of those guys. The guy who goes there just for low cost mongering no longer fits in.

Plus, less girls available because of greater demand on the girls from Koreans, Chinese, and so on in Pattaya and other places. So less girls serving the Western customer market.

Westernisation: Smartphones, social media sites like Facebook, online dating sites, the internet in general, decline of Thai core values, exploding commercialization of Pattaya.

It seems to me that there are more things for the girls to spend their money on and they need more money. Rather than lower their prices and work more they have worked out that they can increase their prices and work less. More time for them to party and enjoy themselves in Ibar. What's the point of slaving under some old guy all night for 1000 baht when you can drink and party with young guys and there will always be some guy willing to stomp up 1000 to 2000 baht for short time at some point in the evening. If not today, then at least you have enjoyed yourself partying and there is bound to be a guy tomorrow.

These girls have worked out that the way to go is to increase their prices and stick to the increases. With the hordes of guys visiting Pattaya at least one will bite every night. Those guys that don't play ball will soon come round to the realization of the new dynamics that if they don't pay the new going rates then they won't get laid. At least not get any action with attractive girls and so waste their holiday.

If a girl drops her prices and goes with a customer for a lower rate than what she wants then she won't be around when that customer turns up a short time later who will meet her rates. So she will miss out. Better to wait. Better to go with one for 1000 baht than two for 500 baht. Because whilst you are out of the market earning 500 baht each with two guys you will have missed two guys who would be willing to pay 1000 baht each. So potentially have lost 1000 baht overall in revenue that night.

In any case at the end of the day if a girl is not making enough hits at the going rate then much better off to go back home rather than lose money paying Pattaya's high living costs. So you end up with just the girls who are confident of making the going rate without having to give discounts.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1855970]Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years.[/QUOTE]I've been in Thailand during that interval of time and food price, as well many other thing almost doubled.

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.

I'm sure that if you look at your expenses in the back you'll find that's true.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1856032]
I know a lot of people reported this kind of matter previously, that's the reason I don't want to be an ATM for her.
Now since I've told a lot of useful info I believe you guys will be able to advice me on handling this situation.[/QUOTE]Long story short: If you aren't willing to be ATM, the story won't last long.

Because there are more honest, educated and sensible Western young men than young sweet poor Asian ladies.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1855979]P.s. Nothing is free. There is no free pussy[/QUOTE]Bullshit. I have proven time and time again that there is free pussy. In addition to that I ate at the best buffet in Manila the other day for free too while I was with some free pussy that works at the supreme court there.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1856200]
Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.
[/QUOTE]The claim was that "food prices" had "almost doubled" in 5 or 10 years, which is simply not true.

I do not doubt your anecdotal bus fare rise, but transportation in general has hardly risen that much in the last 10 years. I'm no expert on Thai bus fares but in the Phils they have not changed very much in the past 10 years. Case in point: ordinary bus fare Manila to AC has been fluctuating between 100 and 130 PHP, depending on diesel price. (Private car pickups have risen a bit more, due to being more personell intensive, I guess).

The zero rate, low % inflation CB banksters' talk is BS of course, real inflation seems to me to hover around 5% or so.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1856251]The claim was that "food prices" had "almost doubled" in 5 or 10 years, which is simply not true.[/QUOTE]And besides that my rent has stayed the same for 6 years. Unlike in the USA when each time you renew your lease they move the price up on you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1856123]You need to leave that Love thing at home.[/QUOTE]I am a little different. I love all of my women. Taking care of somebody is a different matter though. My own child is 19 years old and has two jobs to take care of herself. Do you think I am about to pay a stranger's way? Hell no.

The narrative is the same though. A buddy of mine whenever he goes somewhere to monger he always gets one girl and stays with her the entire time. He did it once again when he was in Pattaya earlier this month. I was at the airport in Manila when he had returned to the States and started texting me about the girl.

She does not like working in the bar. He wants to help her get a job at his tailor but she needs to learn more English. Dude do you know how much normal jobs pay? I jokingly told him to just send her $300 a month and that would be plenty. Many guys like to send $1000, but really there is no need for that. It was like deja vu for him. The girl had already told him if he sent 30,000 baht she wouldn't have to work in the bar anymore.

I could not help but laugh. I explained to him that is why I change women everyday in P4 P. Nobody gets attached to me and I do not get attached to anyone. Best of all I won't get the sob stories from a one-night girl that he will get from a two-week girl. And did I mention that he is married falling for this BS.

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I get it now. I was being naive to see what's coming in front of me. But now I understand that there is no room for emotion while mongering. Today I spoke with her and the same story what Mr E mentioned happened. She wants 30,000 bahts per month to stop working and go back to her home in Laos so that she can support her family.

I understood my mongering lesson & I'm ending whatever was happening here. No more BS. Thanks all for your comments. Although I'll write reports of my experience with her.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1856200]

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

.[/QUOTE]Someone has to pay for all those chinese tourists.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMQwFuCWM-A[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856265]I am a little different. I love all of my women. Taking care of somebody is a different matter though. My own child is 19 years old and has two jobs to take care of herself. Do you think I am about to pay a stranger's way? Hell no..[/QUOTE]Mr. Ent: Just to clarify, for the likes of MusicalTom. You mean "I love all my women. (But, I'm not in love with any of them.)" ?

Like you, I do care about a lot of women in Latin countries. But I never send them money. Sometimes, I bring them cellphones, clothes, laptops, tablets, perfumes etc etc. But, I never fall in love with any of them. Yeah, there are some truly nice chicas in the DR, Peru, Brazil etc. Never more than a few hundred $ in total for any of them. And yeah, they will hang with me for many, many days and be my tour guide and we hit all the great restaurants and nightclubs together. But then, I head back to the US and let it go. But, not all guys can do that and be mentally disciplined. Particularly the younger dudes.

Actually, I think (Indian pun intended) that's where I think MusicalTom should go and fall in love. He is sure to find someone that he will fall in love with and who will marry him and go back with him to India. Brazil would be top of the list. And then, Peru, the DR or even Colombia. But, that would be a romantic mistake with less than 10 PC chance of ever working out in the long- term. But, for a romantic, who is still young, it just might be worth trying. Laos girl? No way, Jose.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856274]You be from Indiaaaah dude? Yeah, I dink so!
...
[/QUOTE]Would you please drop nationality mocking and stereotyping or do you need Admin's redress?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856259]And besides that my rent has stayed the same for 6 years. Unlike in the USA when each time you renew your lease they move the price up on you.[/QUOTE]But that can be because there has been a real estate boom which has started busting about 6 years ago exactly. Even USA RE prices went down a lot, and rents kind of following excpet in "evergreen" areas.

Cost of living went up for sure in Thailand in the last 10 years. Maybe not 100%, but more than 50% that's for sure.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1856303]Would you please drop nationality mocking and stereotyping or do you need Admin's redress?[/QUOTE]Huh. I was not mocking any nationality. I am 100 PC non- discriminatory. But, I do love to play with words.

Clearly, you don't know me. I was just accentuating a guess. If you read my last post, and ones prior, you will find that I have given MusicalTom some good suggestions both on this girl and other possibilities in other countries.

And, there is a whole thread devoted to Indians on the Thai Forum and I have never posted there.

I have actually posted once in the last 30 days defending Indians, when a poster said something very poor.

And, where were you when posters here have said some pretty poor stuff about Indians and Chinese in Pattaya ( beyond a play on words and accents) ? Living in the southern US, trust me people use accents such as y'all etc to play with words and accentuate while writing, WITHOUT any mention of color, race etc. BTW, people have said some extreme things about Indians and Chinese here on this board, so if you want you should police that stuff first. If you are unable to find it, I will find it for you.

To be clear, all I did was use spelling to accentuate an accent in jest. Give me a break! People do it to me all the time in person and I laugh it off.

Finally, I am myself a mixed breed, non- white and part Asian to boot, from NY and have lived in Chicago, CT, Texas etc for the last several decades. So let me tell you that I have been on the receiving end and I don't have a thin skin.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856323]Huh. I was not mocking any nationality. I am 100 PC non- discrimatory. But, I do love to play with words.

Clearly, you don't know me. I was just accentuating a guess. If you read my last post, and ones prior, you will find that I have given MusicalTom some good suggestions both on this girl and other possibilities in other countries.

And, there is a whole thread devoted to Indians on the Thai Forum and I have never posted there. I have actually posted once in the last 30 days defending Indians. BTW, people have said some extreme things and all I did was use spelling to accentuate an accent. Give me a break! People do it to me all the time in person and I laugh it off.

Finally, I am myself a mixed breed, non- white and part Asian to boot, from NY and have lived in Chicago, CT, Texas etc for the last several decades. So let me tell you that I have been on the receiving end and I don't have a thin skin.[/QUOTE]Thanks for explaining where do you come from. But is not like these intentions do speak for themselves, you've used quite derogatory words. Anyway, not really my business, hope that will end here.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1856326]Thanks for explaining where do you come from. But is not like these intentions do speak for themselves, you've used quite derogatory words. Anyway, not really my business, hope that will end here.[/QUOTE]Ok, but I don't believe there was anything derogatory. When it comes to people in India, speaking English, and the various accents, let me inform you that North Indians very, very often, make similar accent puns about those in South India. And, those in India who went to Catholic schools in India and were schooled in English from the age of 5 , make the same kind of accent puns about their own brethren in India, who went to non- Catholic high schools in India and primarily speak in Hindi or Tamil.

Unlike, most other countries, as you probably know, English is the only common language in India. There are 26 languages in India, each with their own script and over 500 dialects. Folks from Chennai cannot understand their brethren from Bengaluru (only 200 miles away), or even read a script of a sign in Kannada vs Tamil. LOL. Making puns of each other's English accents is the pretty much normal in India. Work with Indians here in the US and you will hear it routinely. They make fun of their Englsih accents all the time.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856327]Ok, but I don't believe there was anything derogatory. When it comes to people in India, speaking English, and the various accents, let me inform you that North Indians very, very often, make similar accent puns about those in South India. And, those in India who went to Catholic schools in India and were schooled in English from the age of 5 , make the same kind of accent puns about their own brethren in India, who went to non- Catholic high schools in India and primarily speak in Hindi or Tamil.

Unlike, most other countries, as you probably know, English is the only common language in India. There are 26 languages in India, each with their own script and over 500 dialects. Folks from Chennai cannot understand their brethren from Bengaluru (only 200 miles away), or even read a script of a sign in Kannada vs Tamil. LOL. Making puns of each other's English accents is the pretty much normal in India. Work with Indians here in the US and you will hear it routinely. They make fun of their Englsih accents all the time.[/QUOTE]Dat is write Dum Fuk, in Merika we mak fun of every1. Tank you for de les son.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1856329]Dat is write Dum Fuk, in Merika we mak fun of every1. Tank you for de les son.[/QUOTE]Ok, but I totally draw the line on color of ones skin, race etc. And also using foul language. Even for a word pun.

And, IMO, the US is the least racist and least overtly discrimatory country in the world, in terms of legal rights, housing, banking, loans, education, jobs, religion, skin color, race, service in public places such as restaurants, bars etc. Etc. But freedom of speech that does not impinge on the above is also a key constitutional protection.

To be very clear, you cannot do what some of the bars and discos do in Pattaya or Bangkok (such as barring entry to certain people based on skin color) because they would have been shut down, sued etc. In the USA and they would have gone bankrupt. Unlike many other countries in the world, including some in Europe and many in Asia.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856335]

To be very clear, you cannot do what some of the bars and discos do in Pattaya or Bangkok (such as barring entry to certain people based on skin color) because they would have been shut down, sued etc. In the USA and they would have gone bankrupt. Unlike many other countries in the world, including some in Europe and many in Asia.[/QUOTE]Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.

And by the way, if you are going to lecture us any further perhaps you can explain the meaning of "discrimatory"?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856335]

And, IMO, the US is the least racist and least overtly discrimatory country in the world, in terms of legal rights, housing, banking, loans, education, jobs, religion, skin color, race, service in public places such as restaurants, bars etc. Etc. But freedom of speech that does not impinge on the above is also a key constitutional protection[/QUOTE]I take it you've not spent much time in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, the Netherlands or selected other Western European countries. If you had, perhaps your opinion would reflect reality.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1856343]I take it you've not spent much time in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, the Netherlands or selected other Western European countries. If you had, perhaps your opinion would reflect reality.

GE.[/QUOTE]Well, actually I have visited (but not lived) each of the countries you mentioned more than a few times, each. Norway only for business. But the others for both business and pleasure.

Without question, I believe the USA is far ahead legally and with respect to jobs (both middle management and upper management) and other legal protections on each of the dimensions I mentioned.

But, this is only my opinion. If you believe that's not true then I respect your opinion.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1856339]Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.

And by the way, if you are going to lecture us any further perhaps you can explain the meaning of "discrimatory"?[/QUOTE]Equality of treatment. Period. And having that protected under the law.

And I am definitely not lecturing anyone. My apologies if you felt that way.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1856281]I get it now. I was being naive to see what's coming in front of me. But now I understand that there is no room for emotion while mongering. Today I spoke with her and the same story what Mr E mentioned happened. She wants 30,000 bahts per month to stop working and go back to her home in Laos so that she can support her family.

I understood my mongering lesson & I'm ending whatever was happening here. No more BS. Thanks all for your comments. Although I'll write reports of my experience with her.[/QUOTE]Hey MusicalToM,

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Didn't mean to be so negative or hard on you. In fact, it took me a while to write what I did because I didn't want to be so hard so don't beat yourself up. We are all different but more the same than we would like to admit. When it comes to emotions my biggest downfall is my mouth, my little head controls my emotions before and during the sex. The words " I love you " always seem to blur out just before I shoot, and thereafter I can't wait for her to leave or get out of there. Emotionally it hurts but like they say " time heals all " remember there is a different standard here for us Farang and for a Thai. In General a dead beat Thai man has to provide nothing except his penis and a few sweet words to them and the gates of heaven open up for them. Where for us we all seem rich although we are no different. But when on holiday, we drink 500 baht worth of coffee, spend 300 baht on each meal and then spend even a 1,000 baht a day for a room, 30,000 baht for airfare then tell them " you have no money " it just doesn't hold water. Her request is not unreasonable in my book because as I noted it is not about Love, it is about money first to take care of the only reason why she is in Pattaya selling herself to you and other men. It is not only the monthly income she is loosing, but loosing future earnings for a house, car, kids school, family get sick, they all will look at her because she is hooked up with you a (ATM), she becomes a extension of that ATM, she too is looked at one but refuse to admit it until she has had enough from her family. You will sit and think how do I refuse in a polite way and if and when you do no matter how much you have given they will call you cheap in Thai. Even a former MP official who since has been replaced said last year in the Bangkok Post to women in Isaan " if you want a better life marry a Farang. You are so early in this that the next time your dipstick checks another motor you will have forgotten it ever happened. Good luck.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1856364]Her request is not unreasonable in my book because as I noted it is not about Love, it is about money first to take care of the only reason why she is in Pattaya selling herself to you and other men.[/QUOTE]You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1856364]You will sit and think how do I refuse in a polite way and if and when you do no matter how much you have given they will call you cheap in Thai.[/QUOTE]And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856428]You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.[/QUOTE]In the past I would advise guys don't send money, but they do it anyway. Now I just advise them not to give anymore then they can afford to do without because now I understand. His girl's different.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856428]You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.[/QUOTE]Yes, as you noted the big difference is the age. A older women who has been in the business for a while which I'm assuming in this particular case ask for a amount that would stop her from working. Now of course I'm not getting into whether this particular case she will or will not. We just got to take their word. But again I do not think what she is asking to be unreasonable but it doesn't just stop there. People write stories that they get calls that the roof needs this or that and then start to wonder? I give you 35,000 baht. What is going on getting all upset. Once you start it is tough if not impossible to go back even when it is a legit request.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1856339]Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.?[/QUOTE]I believe he is talking about racism, i.e. Denying someone entry to a club based on their look, race, nationality, color, etc.

If you find that refreshing, then you are a racist too. If that's the case, just say so and cut the BS.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1856527]Yes, as you noted the big difference is the age. A older women who has been in the business for a while which I'm assuming in this particular case ask for a amount that would stop her from working. Now of course I'm not getting into whether this particular case she will or will not. We just got to take their word. But again I do not think what she is asking to be unreasonable but it doesn't just stop there. People write stories that they get calls that the roof needs this or that and then start to wonder? I give you 35,000 baht. What is going on getting all upset. Once you start it is tough if not impossible to go back even when it is a legit request.[/QUOTE]When I think about all the pussy I can get over here in a month for 35000 baht. I need a friend sending me that kind of money every month. At least he would know I'm putting it to good use.

...And if you think they will ever be satisfied then you have another thing coming...

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1856530]

If you find that refreshing, then you are a racist too. [/QUOTE]Go ahead, if it makes you feel even gooder, SAY IT.

YES I believe in free speech, and the right for a disco or bar owner to keep certain groups out, heck, even countries to do the same.

As I said, I see no point in forcing me in where I am not welcome. And YES, I find that REFRESHING when someone, like Thais often do, stands their ground.

Now, can anyone point me to a good racist club that keeps liberals out?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1856733]Now, can anyone point me to a good racist club that keeps liberals out?[/QUOTE]Try the Triple K Club on Soi Kow.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1856733]
YES I believe in free speech, and the right for a disco or bar owner to keep certain groups out, heck, even countries to do the same.
[/QUOTE]Not my country, and I suspect, not even your.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1856745]Try the Triple K Club on Soi Kow.[/QUOTE]Thanks, tried that already. The dress code sucks a bit and it's a tad too smoky for me.

I landed at BKK around 4:30 in the morning. VOA delayed due to huge number of Chinese gentlemen and women already waiting in line. As a matter of fact it took me almost 3 Hrs to get VOA, yes it's true believe me. When there would be 500+ people already be waiting in line this would happen. Next time I'm getting my visa in my own country before taking a seat in flight.

Reached Pattaya around 11:30 and straight to Hotel near Soi 15 (Pattaya Avenue). Hotel rooms were getting prepared so headed McD for some refreshments, by the time I returned hotel rooms were ready. Took shower followed by a few hrs sleep and headed for mongering around 7:30 in the evening. Started at Soi 6 beer bars, but only thing I saw was Tattoo, straight to Beach Road. Inquired few talents but nothing interesting, meanwhile my buddy got his partner for night which left me alone on Beach road, time was around 9:30. Headed to Walking Street without any delay.

Walking street:

As usual loud music, live band and Chinese groups with group identification flags. Since it was my first night, I had no intention of hitting a AGoGo. Straight to iBar, bought Manao Soda and took a seat just near to the entrance, time was around 10:30. Soon moved inside the club toward sea side where most of the girls were seating. Seated for a while before seeing this sweet looking girl entering to take a seat. After a while she looks at me and we both smile at each other. I moved near to her and after formal greetings I asked her whether she is interested to come with me, she quoted 3 k for the night to which I countered with 2. 5 k, soon we settled for 2.7 k for LT. Bought 3 shots for her and her friend and off we went to our hotel (50 bahts each for a motor taxi ride to Pattaya Avenue where my hotel was).

Night 1:

We entered hotel at around 12:30, took shower separately and the night started. She was reluctant to kiss initially but soon she joined me after becoming horny, then she sucked my nipples followed by oral. Soon I finished in rubber in mish and yes no BJ. But I liked the GFE she gave me. Took some rest and round 2 started, this time finished in doggy and I guess she had orgasm. Later I came to know it was her first night after returning from her home after a 2 weeks vacation. We slept and woke up around 9:30 in the morning, had one more round after which she left. I paid her 3 k for her nice service and superb GFE. She is 20, no tattoo and a flat stomach, exactly what I wanted. While she was going to her home on her way we had a video chat, reason was she has left her toothbrush in my room which I wanted to return her back.

Night 2:

She called me up in the afternoon to check whether I was interested for the night. I asked her to call me in night since I was feeling a bit tired. She calls me up around 2 o'clock in night to check if I was interested to which I politely refused. I was tired.

Night 3:

I called her up to ask her to come my hotel for the night. This time price was 2.5 k. She confirmed she would come around 12 o'clock. I was having my dinner at around 11:15 when she called to tell me that she is coming. I was a bit far from hotel so asked her to wait at hotel reception area for 10 minutes. After around 5 minutes she calls me to tell that either I come right now or she leaves, I rushed to my hotel but by that time she already has left. I called her up to come, but she didn't. I already have posted a detailed report of what exactly happened that night.

Night 4:

In morning she said sorry for lat night's incident and told she was angry since I was not coming. I asked her to forget and come tonight. I was supposed to leave for Bangkok that day but stayed just to have some more time with her. She came around 9:30 in night and she has come for LT as per my understanding till that time. This time I finished in same doggy but sex was much more intense. After we are done she cleaned up started leaving, I was clueless what was happening and she told me that she had work in the morning so she had to leave. I paid her 1 k for ST (she was asking 1.5 k). I was not happy at all since I have planned for the entire night with her not for sex but for more GFE. Her leaving made my mood off and soon I slept. I already have mentioned in detail what exactly happened that night in my previous report.

Till now she never has given me a BJ, but nice GFEs.

Next morning I left for BKK. I asked her to come with me to BKK before leaving to which she quoted 10 k and I told her I would get a model in BKK at this price. We disconnected & I took a seat in Bus.

I had a very good experience with her till now except the ST she did for which I was expecting LT. Still I liked her service and left with a heavy heart since I couldn't have more time with her.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1856346]Well, actually I have visited (but not lived) each of the countries you mentioned more than a few times, each. Norway only for business. But the others for both business and pleasure.

Without question, I believe the USA is far ahead legally and with respect to jobs (both middle management and upper management) and other legal protections on each of the dimensions I mentioned.

But, this is only my opinion. If you believe that's not true then I respect your opinion.[/QUOTE]I meant no offense. I guess our opinions simply differ as I find many countries, particularly Scandinavian countries much more tolerant than the US. Of course given the political circus now being conducted in the US, I don't think anyone has a sound idea of what the country will look like in the near future.

GE.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1856200]I've been in Thailand during that interval of time and food price, as well many other thing almost doubled.

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.

I'm sure that if you look at your expenses in the back you'll find that's true.[/QUOTE]I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1856784]I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Just took the bell bus from swampy airport with transport to hotel 250 b.

But right beside their booth is direct to jomtiem (I believe ends at that Foodland station - 120 be.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1856784]I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Bangkok to Pattaya (from ekkamai bus station) is 108 baht.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1856766]Till now she never has given me a BJ, but nice GFEs.

I had a very good experience with her till now except the ST she did for which I was expecting LT. Still I liked her service and left with a heavy heart since I couldn't have more time with her.[/QUOTE]Seriously bro. You are chasing around a FL chick who is charging you 3k/night and will not suck your dick. You could have stayed home for that kind of treatment. You should have told that broad good riddance. FL should be 1k LT, 1.5k at the most. And customarily they have your dick in their mouth before you can get in the room good.

Has anyone else noticed the annoying habit of some Beach Road baht bus drivers who turn left on Soi 13 in order to avoid the traffic bottleneck at South Pattaya Road, leaving their passengers 3 blocks to walk from the entrance to Walking Street? I don't think their supervisors would approve.

In any case, when they do it with me on board I simply hop off the bus the moment they turn into the Soi and don't pay the 10 baht. If enough passengers did the same maybe they would think twice about taking the shortcut.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856925]Seriously bro. You are chasing around a FL chick who is charging you 3k/night and will not suck your dick. You could have stayed home for that kind of treatment. You should have told that broad good riddance. FL should be 1k LT, 1.5k at the most. And customarily they have your dick in their mouth before you can get in the room good.[/QUOTE]I know bro I was a fool at that time, first time I was inexperienced and in subsequent nights my emotions took control over me. However she sucked my dick in first night and the next night as well, but there were no BJ (neither CBJ nor BBBJ) or CIM or COF. She sucked for few minutes put rubber and soon I emptied in it.

Now I laugh on myself thinking what would have I got with the money I spent on her. Anyways it was my first time in mongering world so I'm considering these things as honest learning or mistake whatever you say it. Definitely I'm going to keep these things in mind during my next mongering vacation which is coming in few months.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1856927]In any case, when they do it with me on board I simply hop off the bus the moment they turn into the Soi and don't pay the 10 baht. If enough passengers did the same maybe they would think twice about taking the shortcut.[/QUOTE]Sure, they should change those habits, but you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk. A cop or a fellow baht bus driver might be nearby, and could tackle you. It's not likely, but don't understimate the potential danger, in Bangkok an American has been murdered over a 50 baht taxi fare not so long ago.

Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht".

[QUOTE=JohnLove19;1856861]Bangkok to pattaya (from ekkamai bus station) is 108 baht.[/QUOTE]I take this bus quite a bit although it has been a month, it isn't 108 Baht unless all of a sudden they decided to change it since Feb 2016?

Ok maybe this is not the right place to ask but I just got a little confuse now.

I saw few posts start mentioning about they getting visa. Is this a new thing now that I missed. Like thai change the regulation that foreigner have to apply visa now?

I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand. I going to Bangkok and pattaya soon. If anyone can help and answer the question that would be awsome.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SpiritsHunt;1857014]Ok maybe this is not the right place to ask but I just got a little confuse now.

I saw few posts start mentioning about they getting visa. Is this a new thing now that I missed. Like thai change the regulation that foreigner have to apply visa now?

I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand.[/QUOTE]Everyone is not from Australia and countries have visa rules that apply to different countries differently. I think the few posters asking are from India.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1857034]Everyone is not from Australia and countries have visa rules that apply to different countries differently. I think the few posters asking are from India.[/QUOTE]Cool. Tried to click on the posters infor to see which country from but didn't shown so I decide to post in forum to ask instead. Was thinking maybe they from all different countries and I remembered last time someone posted in the forum saying something like "going into pattaya now need (something) or something similar".

Anyway this clear it out a little bit.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SpiritsHunt;1857014]
I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand. I going to Bangkok and pattaya soon. If anyone can help and answer the question that would be awsome.
[/QUOTE]30 days visa exempt arriving by air, not 15. You can extend these for 30 days more at the immigration office, cost Bt 1,900.

But you may need an exit ticket within 30 days for the airline to let you boarding.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1856784]I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Bell Travel from airport to Hotel is now Bt 240.

Just to contradict myself and prove that anything is possible in Thailand, I can book a true 4 stars hotel for $31 a day. 10 years ago it may have costed more, not less.

[QUOTE=SpiritsHunt;1857014]Ok maybe this is not the right place to ask but I just got a little confuse now.

I saw few posts start mentioning about they getting visa. Is this a new thing now that I missed. Like thai change the regulation that foreigner have to apply visa now?

I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand. I going to Bangkok and pattaya soon. If anyone can help and answer the question that would be awsome.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you to get a visa beforehand coming to Thailand if you are not sure. If you search in Google for "Advance Visa Thailand" and then country name, then I'm sure you will find a link which can provide you the desired information.

Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance. And yes you need to show them a return Air ticket within next 30 days from the date of applying for visa. You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.

If you wish to stay beyond 60 days in Thailand then you have the options like 90 days visa / re-entry visa / 1 Year visa. Terms and conditions for each type of visa is different but it's mostly same for all the countries.

Hope this helps. And my advice is to get visa beforehand.

I have seen good things about the Skyfall club as far as quality of women. Does anyone have any experience as far as their willingness for LT? I will be taking my first trip to Thailand in April and figured I would ease in to my trip. I have heard about a tendency for a ST mentality at high end go-go's recently. Can anyone shed personal experience on this? I'm hoping to find a younger good looking girl who would let me bar fine her for the first 3 days or so and just have a great time (obviously at a price.) Any help / experience is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1856962]Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht".[/QUOTE]Yes, that's exactly what he'll think. Songthaew drivers are essentially self-employed. They either lease their vehicles or own them, so they understandably feel they can improvise a bit on the routes.

My feeling is that you've got to pick your battles in Thailand (or better, avoid them altogether). Getting upset about a ten-baht bus not taking you to your exact destination is a pretty silly one.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1857169]30 days visa exempt arriving by air, not 15. You can extend these for 30 days more at the immigration office, cost Bt 1,900.

But you may need an exit ticket within 30 days for the airline to let you boarding.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1857189]I would suggest you to get a visa beforehand coming to Thailand if you are not sure. If you search in Google for "Advance Visa Thailand" and then country name, then I'm sure you will find a link which can provide you the desired information.

Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance. And yes you need to show them a return Air ticket within next 30 days from the date of applying for visa. You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.

If you wish to stay beyond 60 days in Thailand then you have the options like 90 days visa / re-entry visa / 1 Year visa. Terms and conditions for each type of visa is different but it's mostly same for all the countries.

Hope this helps. And my advice is to get visa beforehand.[/QUOTE]Thank you guys for the update.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1856983]I take this bus quite a bit although it has been a month, it isn't 108 Baht unless all of a sudden they decided to change it since Feb 2016?[/QUOTE]The bus price from Ekkamai to Pattaya or vice versa goes up and down a bit all the time. I think it depends on the diesel price.
Last December I paid about 120 B.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1856927]Has anyone else noticed the annoying habit of some Beach Road baht bus drivers who turn left on Soi 13 in order to avoid the traffic bottleneck at South Pattaya Road, leaving their passengers 3 blocks to walk from the entrance to Walking Street? I don't think their supervisors would approve.
[/QUOTE]Turning left into Soi 13 is not allowed coming from Beach Road (not for cars anyway) but maybe you meant Soi 13/4.
But anyway I think the drivers are doing you a favor because walking those last 3 blocks, along the sea side of Beach Road, is much better for your health than staying in the bus for another 10 minutes or so inhaling exhaust fumes. LOL!

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1857189]Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance.[/QUOTE]That is called "visa exempt", and is free. VoA is what people from. Eg. India gets for Bt 1,000.

[QUOTE]You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]It can be done at any Immigration office, not only in Bangkok.

[QUOTE]And my advice is to get visa beforehand.[/QUOTE]Why? Nationalities eligible for visa exempt should just use that when staying 30 days or less.

[QUOTE=LaxinBuddy;1857244]II have heard about a tendency for a ST mentality at high end go-go's recently.[/QUOTE]Not only at "high-end clubs". Most women gets to understand quickly that ST is more profitable and less demanding. And even if they accept LT, they often play LT-becomes-ST, which is very common.

A short recap of my agogo experiences in Pattaya from last week.

1. LK Metro area: The quality of the girls has gone down here since last year and not so many customers anymore. Best of the bunch were Champagne and Bachelor. Close to the LK bars is Papagayo bar which has also gone downhill.

2. WS Agogos: The amount of the agogos is overwhelming. I did not visit every single one of them, maybe 50%. My favourites were Sapphire and Iron.

- Sapphire has really large lineup of young sexy girls. They are wearing stockings + top or bikinis. No nudity here. I saw the most gorgeous girl there I have ever seen in Thailand Agogos. 20 YO pretty, slim and stacked with large natural boobs. Her pictures are all over Sapphire's Facebook. You can't miss her. I asked to barfine her, she said she does not go out with customers. I repeated my question for 2 nights in the row. On the 3rd night she said she will come out with me tomorrow. So I went back on 4th night and guess what, she was not there. She remained absent for the rest of my stay in Pattaya. Well she looked too good to be true for 3000 Baht ST fuck anyway.

- Iron has topless girls and many of them are really nice with good bodies and tits. Also quite a few natural girls in the mix, not all plastic dolls like at Sensations or Skyfall. Easily better looking babes here than at Crazy House in Bangkok.

I did not like What's Up. The club itself is OK but the girls did not rock this viking boat. Too much plastic around.

I visited also clubs like Peppermint, Happy, Sharks, Electric Blue, Windmill, Fahrenheit, Palace, Crazy House, Bacchara etc, etc. They all have some nice girls around. Depends on the taste of the punter.

Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times. If you become a regular customer things might change and girls are willing to stay LT, even too long time. I did not have LT sessions in Pattaya, only took ST rentals.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1857555]A short recap of my agogo experiences in Pattaya from last week.
Sapphire has really large lineup of young sexy girls. They are wearing stockings + top or bikinis. No nudity here. I saw the most gorgeous girl there I have ever seen in Thailand Agogos. 20 YO pretty, slim and stacked with large natural boobs. I asked to barfine her, she said she does not go out with customers. Well she looked too good to be true for 3000 Baht ST fuck anyway.
Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1857431]Not only at "high-end clubs". Most women gets to understand quickly that ST is more profitable and less demanding. And even if they accept LT, they often play LT-becomes-ST, which is very common.[/QUOTE]This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense? The only real advantages that Pattaya had over staying at home and mongering was that you could get long time and GFE for a fraction of the cost that it would cost you in the west.

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.

Walking around different places looking at girls in bikinis who are available for short time? Sounds familiar? It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Amsterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1856927]Has anyone else noticed the annoying habit of some Beach Road baht bus drivers who turn left on Soi 13 in order to avoid the traffic bottleneck at South Pattaya Road, leaving their passengers 3 blocks to walk from the entrance to Walking Street? I don't think their supervisors would approve.
In any case, when they do it with me on board I simply hop off the bus the moment they turn into the Soi and don't pay the 10 baht. If enough passengers did the same maybe they would think twice about taking the shortcut. [/QUOTE]I see a lot of complaining on this forum about how things have changed over the last few years and the way in which many Thais now try to rip off and treat foreigners with contempt and no respect. It's easy enough for me to understand the reasons why. They know for the most part that they can get away with it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1856962] Sure, they should change those habits, but you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk. A cop or a fellow baht bus driver might be nearby, and could tackle you. It's not likely, but don't understimate the potential danger, in Bangkok an American has been murdered over a 50 baht taxi fare not so long ago.
Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht". [/QUOTE]Yes, the driver could draw out a gun and shoot me dead; a cop could tackle me; I could be murdered; but that's not the point. The point is that the baht bus route printed on maps of Pattaya has the busses going to Walking Street and making the loop turn on South Pattaya Road not turning off on a detour 3 blocks before the passenger's destination. By hopping off the bus when he takes a detour, I'm not trying to send him a message. I just want to go to Walking Street but that is not where he is headed. He's going the wrong way.

[QUOTE=Betong;1857269]Yes, that's exactly what he'll think. Songthaew drivers are essentially self-employed. They either lease their vehicles or own them, so they understandably feel they can improvise a bit on the routes.
My feeling is that you've got to pick your battles in Thailand (or better, avoid them altogether). Getting upset about a ten-baht bus not taking you to your exact destination is a pretty silly one.[/QUOTE]So it's OK with you if the driver improvises; they can make their own rules and its OK and "understandable" with you? Of course, if they can get away with it they're going to keep doing it. If the Go-go girl you bar fine stops servicing you just before you finish and decides to go meet her friend somewhere, I suppose you are OK with that too; you just pay up and it's no big deal? It wasn't a battle; no one was upset. The driver simply decided to go where I wasn't going so I hopped off.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1857328]Turning left into Soi 13 is not allowed coming from Beach Road (not for cars anyway) but maybe you meant Soi 13/4.
But anyway I think the drivers are doing you a favor because walking those last 3 blocks, along the sea side of Beach Road, is much better for your health than staying in the bus for another 10 minutes or so inhaling exhaust fumes. LOL![/QUOTE]I meant 3 blocks before Walking Street whatever Soi that is. Oh, I see, the driver was doing me a favor. He was looking out for my health. Yeah. The Thais who treat foreigners with contempt are doing them favors.

This wasn't a big deal for me; just a minor irritation. I really don't think that the driver expected his 10 baht. He knew what he was doing.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1857555]...Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times. If you become a regular customer things might change and girls are willing to stay LT, even too long time. I did not have LT sessions in Pattaya, only took ST rentals.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and my experience was quite different. Most girls that showed interest in being barfined seemed to prefer long time. I usually prefer ST as I sleep better when there is no naked woman next to me. Yet, I did a few LTs, for a variety of reasons. Hence, I am not convinced anything has changed in that area. A girl may prefer LT to earn more money, sleep in a nice bed with A / see, or for some other reason. It really depends on the particular girl.

HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks. My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies). Thanks a lot and have good time!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1857740]Of course, if they can get away with it they're going to keep doing it. If the Go-go girl you bar fine stops servicing you just before you finish and decides to go meet her friend somewhere, I suppose you are OK with that too; you just pay up and it's no big deal? It wasn't a battle; no one was upset. The driver simply decided to go where I wasn't going so I hopped off.

I meant 3 blocks before Walking Street whatever Soi that is. Oh, I see, the driver was doing me a favor. He was looking out for my health. Yeah. The Thais who treat foreigners with contempt are doing them favors.

This wasn't a big deal for me; just a minor irritation. I really don't think that the driver expected his 10 baht. He knew what he was doing.[/QUOTE]Daddy7,

I am a real fan of your posts about all the clubs and such and you must generally be a cool guy, but I have to tell you jumping off the baht bus, not paying the 10 bt and walking away is a blatant mistake where nothing is gained and much is risked. The easiest way to prevent that from happening again, I used to take it on second Road and some turned around on Pattaya klang when I I wanted to go to Soi 6,any way the way to avoid is to ask the driver if he goes there before getting on.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1857800]HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks. My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies). Thanks a lot and have good time![/QUOTE]Its as easy in Bangkok as in Pattaya, do a search for blow job bars.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1857800]HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks. My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies). Thanks a lot and have good time![/QUOTE]Plenty of places have been reported in the posts on this thread. To name a few:

1. Telephone Bar. Soi Batman.

2. LE Rouge. Darkside.

3. Bar De La Poste. Soi Lengkee.

4. Club 4 - Soi Full Love.

5. 007 - Soi Full Love.

6. My Friend You. Soi 6, Beach Road.

There may be more places surely, but these are the ones that keep getting mentioned more often than others. Mind you, the ladies in these places are unlikely to be stunners.

Quite a while since active in this forum. Was browsing today and reading this post made
me chuckle on my own and started to think how could one possibly avoid a BBBJ in Pattaya.

In my recent stays (around 50% of my time in past year) I do not recall any incident where I
would not have got BBBJ, (I mean in situations where it is applicable) - and I have not been in
BJ bar during that time once, mostly FLs and massage places in relevant action areas.
Yes I have set of regulars with repeats so that works in my favor in statistics, but still.

Maybe just good luck? None of the girls I have had not even hesitated, rejected or required
cover, I would say on the contrary. And I have had quite a few 555.

So OP no worries, in my experience odds are low that you would not get BBBJ if you move
around the mongering points and go with a girl (not sure with LB or boys as no experience.),
let it be massage parlour or takeaway to room.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1857800]HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks.
My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at
least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies).
Thanks a lot and have good time![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1857592]This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense? The only real advantages that Pattaya had over staying at home and mongering was that you could get long time and GFE for a fraction of the cost that it would cost you in the west.

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.[/QUOTE]And that is where your problem is. Gogo bars. I am from Atlanta (damn near 20 hours flying time to Thailand) where there are a lot of freakin strip clubs. I practically grew up in them and DJed in one my last year of high school. In these clubs the women are fully nude, do hardecore dancing and ass shaking and open their pussy up for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to see. And although illegal, you can get ST for $40 from many of them.

So to me and most of my friends gogo bars have always been seen as a chunk of boredom. Watching women in bikinis standing on stage swaying from left to right will never do it for me. And when I hear the crazy ass prices going over $100 for short or long or forever time that guys willingly pay I am just amazed. My propensity for hookers just does not go that deep that I am willing to part with that much money.

Fortunately in Pattaya there are 1000 ways to skin the cat of getting laid. 62 E just posted tons of reports and I do not believe he mentioned stepping into a gogo bar in any of them. He seemed to leave Thailand a happy camper and spent maybe 1/5 of what he would had he only gotten women from gogo bars.

Traditionally I have been big into the discos but now I only step into them when I have friends in town. But even there we don't give the FL more than 1000 for LT and sometimes you can even come up on freebies. We always get the GFE that you mention and never have anyone trying to turn LT into ST. Hell, LT ST is not even brought up because in that venue LT is understood by default. Most of the times you have to kick the girls out.

These days I prefer to meet chicks (pro and non-pro) out in the daytime and exchange information in order to hook up later.

So, to me and my friends Pattaya is still as great as it was on our day 1 many years ago. That gogo scene may be changing for the worse for you gogo fiends, but there are still thousands of women to choose from through other means.

Exactly.

Seems only difference to MrE's game approach to mine (in addition of not being from Atlanta)
is that as long as the experience is at least reasonably OK, I always give 1500. Maybe I am
too generous. Actually even if I not really happy I just give because don't want trouble for few
hundred and don't want reputation of cheap charlie. Heard enough girls bugging about
cheap charlies and don't want them to spread the word like they seem to do.

Sometime may walk to GoGo for one beer though, prior to entering a disco / club, but simply
waste of money take from gogo at current price level. Some 10 ago recall taking
sometimes, prices 1500-2 k LT then (FL 1000-1500 LT then I recall).

4-5 K+BF not worth having the alternatives plentiful. For some reason gogo inflation
is much much more than FL in past 10-15 yrs.

I never ask price upfront, just give 1500. Treat them well and no complaints just repeat
requests. Have few cases where girl in disco has asked 2000 upfront and not budged.
Normally have skipped (tried to keep my principle of not go over 1500) but have couple
of times when I have paid if found girl attractive. Funnily enough none of the 2 k ones have
turned into repeats / regulars, so price does not correlate with service with me at least.

Sometime when bump to the 2 K ones I tried they asking why not go with them, I just
smile and move ahead...

So to sum up, Pattaya price level is still not that bad if stay on FL scene. Massage places
actually OK as well for quickies.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1857917]And that is where your problem is. Gogo bars. I am from Atlanta (damn near 20 hours flying time to Thailand) where there are a lot of freakin strip clubs. I practically grew up in them and DJed in one my last year of high school. In these clubs the women are fully nude, do hardecore dancing and ass shaking and open their pussy up for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to see. And although illegal, you can get ST for $40 from many of them.

So to me and most of my friends gogo bars have always been seen as a chunk of boredom. Watching women in bikinis standing on stage swaying from left to right will never do it for me. And when I hear the crazy ass prices going over $100 for short or long or forever time that guys willingly pay I am just amazed. My propensity for hookers just does not go that deep that I am willing to part with that much money.

Fortunately in Pattaya there are 1000 ways to skin the cat of getting laid. 62 E just posted tons of reports and I do not believe he mentioned stepping into a gogo bar in any of them. He seemed to leave Thailand a happy camper and spent maybe 1/5 of what he would had he only gotten women from gogo bars.

Traditionally I have been big into the discos but now I only step into them when I have friends in town. But even there we don't give the FL more than 1000 for LT and sometimes you can even come up on freebies. We always get the GFE that you mention and never have anyone trying to turn LT into ST. Hell, LT ST is not even brought up because in that venue LT is understood by default. Most of the times you have to kick the girls out.

These days I prefer to meet chicks (pro and non-pro) out in the daytime and exchange information in order to hook up later.

So, to me and my friends Pattaya is still as great as it was on our day 1 many years ago. That gogo scene may be changing for the worse for you gogo fiends, but there are still thousands of women to choose from through other means.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1857592]This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense?
...
It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Amsterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for giving your opinion. But for one, my non-stop r / t flight to BKK only cost EUR 510 this year, not 1,000. And I prefer Pattaya weather 364 day a year over Amsterdam. Financially, I could afford to go AMS twice a month, having prostitutes of various nationalities, spiffs and everything, yet I'm not going and I don't want to.

The reason is that I have more fun in Thailand, even when I don't have any sex. I just like it better than Europe for an holiday. Personally I think "it's better", but that of course depends on tastes.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1857908]Quite a while since active in this forum. Was browsing today and reading this post made
me chuckle on my own and started to think how could one possibly avoid a BBBJ in Pattaya.

In my recent stays (around 50% of my time in past year) I do not recall any incident where I
would not have got BBBJ, (I mean in situations where it is applicable) - and I have not been in
BJ bar during that time once, mostly FLs and massage places in relevant action areas.
Yes I have set of regulars with repeats so that works in my favor in statistics, but still.

Maybe just good luck? None of the girls I have had not even hesitated, rejected or required
cover, I would say on the contrary. And I have had quite a few 555.

So OP no worries, in my experience odds are low that you would not get BBBJ if you move
around the mongering points and go with a girl (not sure with LB or boys as no experience.),
let it be massage parlour or takeaway to room.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about BBBJ "to completion" or BBBJ as mere "oral foreplay"? My impression of Gannaton48's question was he was talking about BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM rather than the girl merely licking around the edges, slipping his dick in her mouth and swishing it around in there for a few minutes as prelude to finishing him in some other way, i.e. by hand or even leading to FS.

On the former, BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM, I have found Pattaya to be far less satisfying a destination for it than Bangkok. In fact, I would not even bother making a trip to Pattaya if that was a primary goal to achieve, unless I only pursued it in a Blowjob Bar. And on that count I must reveal I have not been to any of the previously listed Blowjob Bars of Pattaya. I am only talking about the response I get to the request from Pattaya's go-go dancers, beer bar girls and FLs vs those of Bangkok. I spent 3 days and nights in Pattaya last year and not only got definite "NO" replies to the request from the half dozen P4 P girls I chatted up on the prospect of engaging for business, including 3 girls from 3 different bars on Soi 6, but I also got lectured from two or three of them about what a sick fuck I must be to think for one minute a Thai girl would ever do such a thing. LOL. No, I am not joking. And neither were they. That experience was not much different from my previous two trips to Pattaya the year before last.

I should add I am a guy who has throughout his life and easily right up to this very day had no problem with girls wanting to and eagerly giving me BBBJ CIM and more often than not including Swallow. But not in Pattaya. Easy as pie for me to get it from non P4 P girls all over Bangkok, go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs and, of course, the Blowjob Bar girls in Bangkok. But, for whatever reason, it is a very, very heavy lift to the point of being damn near not even worth the effort for me to ask for it at most massage shops, even the so-called PSE shops of Bangkok, and just about anywhere in Pattaya (except, as I said, the Blowjob Bars of Pattaya, which I have not tried in many years).

Again, I am only talking about BBBJ with a true and fully CIM finish, not as mere oral foreplay before switching off to finish in some other way outside the mouth. As mere oral foreplay, yes, BBBJ is easy to get virtually anywhere outside of those over priced soapies on Ratcheda in Bangkok, including Pattaya. But for BBBJ with full CIM as the finish, I am not inclined to waste my time searching for it or expecting it in Pattaya anymore unless it was in a Blowjob Bar.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1857592]This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense? The only real advantages that Pattaya had over staying at home and mongering was that you could get long time and GFE for a fraction of the cost that it would cost you in the west.

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.toda

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.

Walking around different places looking at girls in bikinis who are available for short time? Sounds familiar? It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Am osterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.[/QUOTE]O.

I think everyone is different and you are entitled to your opinion. But the one thing I do not see from your posting is what are you getting and what are you actually paying where you live? My City is not on the list presented by Mr. E, but what I do know I came from a City in California which might have started it all. My home was right in the center of it all, when growing up the Barbary Coast, the Gipsy Rose Lee strip shows was my playground. I was like 8 years old so small I could hide behind the curtains and no one could see me. At Age 16, I saw the Debut for Carol Doda at the Condor. My bedroom window which I could climb out to my neighbors roof next door was making home made Porn Movies by the famous Mitchel Bros. I had access to nearly every strip place on Broadway strip because I knew the major Mafia guys that owned these clubs since I allow them to park their expensive car in my parents alley. Today all the clubs nearly all gone, what is left and the best club Hustler across next door to my parents house the quality is beyond disbelief? They have to pay me to come in as far as I'm concern. Many say no cover charge but you would be lucky by the time you buy your two drink minimum you walk out $30.00 bucks cheaper and if you think you are getting hassle for LD, in Pattaya it is a nightmare home. There was a time Mitchell Bros had the best looking girls and still do and once you could get a real good lap dance for 5 bucks last time I was there years ago minimum was 20.00 but you first had to pay a admission of $25.00.

Today, there are very few strip clubs the lower end one's I never seen so much Cellulite in my life and Cellulite would cost you 20.00 just for a rub for a minute. In the last Mid to late 90's the Asian massage parlor was the best in my opinion I could get a good hour for 120-140.00 pick from a fishbowl that could top any of the places in Bangkok or Pattaya in looks. Today, you walk into one of these places and backpedal out as fast as you can and if you don't your pocket is 2-240.00 lighter. And the biggest problem staying home, and it wasn't for me because I let my friends / family know I'm single and have nothing to hide and being human needed to keep my pipes cleaned. I never had to sneak around at home like many of you. I live here now and when I go home and although it is a change now at my age I wonder can or should I go home if I get older or sick. I see my friends and family everyone is getting older and those my age seem to be bored and just waiting for the big stroke to hit them. Although I have my problems here the one thing that keeps me mentally sane is the girls, even me I can get any favor I want at any dispenser. So is it worth a 12 hour ride here I think so. Or you can stay home jack off and wait to die.

As for the taxi, not siding with anyone. There is a huge difference visiting and living here. When you visit short or long you can say let it go and I know I've heard it a million times that this is their country and not look for trouble, I do not think anyone does that but when you live it it comes at you at times daily it gets tiring and wearing no matter how much you try some days it keeps coming and being human it could cause one to snap. In the past I've done it several times today life here has humble me a a lot although close to Medicare age and friends tell me fit and thinking for my BD what is my challenge this year, do a parachute jump or go try toe to toe for 1 round with a beginning M. Thai student of course with protective gear. Believe it or not sometimes if you just act as if something is nothing like just jumping off and walking away is harmless, turning around and staring, now that is all it will take to set off a Thai. Living here also teaches you what you can do and not do for some?

Oh yes I was thinking about BBBJ as generic, without considering CIM specifically.
Normally don't have it like that, rather finish in other way so actually don't have.
statistics on this. However my regular massage gal usually does at times I tell no
need FS. FL's some have done (kind of accidentally. Anyway without asking).
But not many experiences as I prefer other way as said.

Guess you are right in saying that most girls prefer not to CIM, just play.



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Are you talking about BBBJ "to completion" or BBBJ as mere "oral foreplay"? My impression of Gannaton48's question was he was talking about BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM rather than the girl merely licking around the edges, slipping his dick in her mouth and swishing it around in there for a few minutes as prelude to finishing him in some other way, I. E. By hand or even leading to FS.

On the former, BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM, I have found Pattaya to be far less satisfying a destination for it than Bangkok.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1858019]Thank you for giving your opinion. But for one, my non-stop r / t flight to BKK only cost EUR 510 this year, not 1,000. And I prefer Pattaya weather 364 day a year over Amsterdam. Financially, I could afford to go AMS twice a month, having prostitutes of various nationalities, spiffs and everything, yet I'm not going and I don't want to.

The reason is that I have more fun in Thailand, even when I don't have any sex. I just like it better than Europe for an holiday. Personally I think "it's better", but that of course depends on tastes.[/QUOTE]I am with you buddy. I live in the US and I have access to some of the best girls one can dream of, namely Korean WGs. In fact, that's all I see when I am back home.

But, I also have ton of fun when in Thailand. It's been like this since my first trip back in 2004. I have taken close to 20 trips since then. Prior to that, it was Rio. Honestly, I don't know what people are bitching about. They can go monger somewhere else, or in their home country.

I also go to Europe at least once a year. Even though I take advantage of those trips to visit the FKKs in Germany, I can honestly skip Europe altogether if it were not for the family.

On a more positive note, ISG mongers should be aware that Beach Club A-go-go located on Soi 15 Walking Street has been sold to a new owner and is no longer part of the Happy Group of go-go bars. Its new name is Spice Club but many of the staff and dancers have remained. Drink prices are reasonable.

I've been there a few times since the switch and can report that there are many cuties in the lineup. Also, it appears that the place has yet to be discovered by the hordes of spendthrift cigarette addicted Japanese mongers that continue to pack the Happy Group bars.

A Add-On. I was told Beach club was sold to a friend of the Happy Group. The staff was offered to go to one of their other clubs most I heard went to Peppermint and Happy. I noticed some of the hostess were at Bacarra. Along the walkway leading into Happy Go Go, where a bunch of BeerBars were located were demo and a new building is being built and that is going to be the new Beach Club. I heard it was going to open in a month and the original Beach club staff have first dibs to retur? And. Once that happens I also heard Peppermint will close down to be remodel again.

Had a recent Pattaya trip for 5 nights, six days.

1st day: reached in the evening: After taking shower just went out to take a walk of the beach road. Music festival was on, so went there in the Hotel frontside, it was cool.

Then had dinner is some Indian restaurant on Beach road called Haveli. It was quite expensive although.

At 8:30 to 9 ppm started walking to the famous WS.

It was amazing. Seeing Walking street first time was really amazing. There was although some discrimination there in the gogos. I could enter some of them easily. While some denied entry asking about my Indian origin. Some asked me to pay for drinks first and let me enter.

Anyways enjoyed the scene. Nude girls on the dance floor. Had few beers here and there.

Went to the famous Indian disco Tony with an entry fee of 250 B with a free drink. It was fully packed at 12 MN. Went before at 9 when it was empty. Too loud music. Few sardarjis dancing, and one throwing away currency notes like the old Mumbai dance bars.

Anyway there we re so many Indians and decent number of Beautiful thai ladies. But I always feel awkward to approach these ladies.

So at last went to Crazy house. Selected a cuty. Paid for her 2 ladydrinks, myself took Orange juice this time.

Barfined her (800 B) and back to room (Baywalk residence). Had shower together. She was Ok on bed. Did all possible things but after 2 hrs suddenly had some vomiting and ain abodmne so I asked her to leave if she wishes. And She went.

The deal was LT 3 k, but she went in 2 hours so she asked for 2 k,which I paid immediately. She asked me to come again tomorrow to take her back.

So had a wonderful 1st night in Pattaya.

Next morning I went for a Coral island tour:2000 B all inclusive- speedboat, parasailing, Seawalk, snorkelling, Banana boat ride, and a good Thai lunch It was a good daytime activity.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1857752]I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and my experience was quite different. Most girls that showed interest in being barfined seemed to prefer long time. I usually prefer ST as I sleep better when there is no naked woman next to me. Yet, I did a few LTs, for a variety of reasons. Hence, I am not convinced anything has changed in that area. A girl may prefer LT to earn more money, sleep in a nice bed with A / see, or for some other reason. It really depends on the particular girl.[/QUOTE]I agreed ST with all the girls I barfined. None of these girls suggested me a LT option even though LT is money wise more profitable for them. I had same experience in Bangkok. But as you said it depends on the girls, I seem to have chosen the ST types.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1857592]
However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.
[/QUOTE]I agree, even too few bars having topless girls.

This was my 3rd trip to Pattaya since 2011. This trip I had the worst luck with the bar girls and due to some other issues I did not enjoy the place so much anymore. I am not too keen to revisit anytime soon. Even though the quality of agogo bars and bar girls is better in Pattaya compared to Bangkok I enjoyed BKK more. Just my experience this trip.

Please go back 2 pages for Part 1 of this report.

I left for Bangkok around 4:30 PM. My hotel near Nana Plaza booked for 2 nights. I'll post the hotel experience in BKK Hotel thread. This report should come under BKK, but posting it in Pattaya thread since it' makes more sense over here.

Night 5:

Reached hotel around 8:00 in the evening. Spoke to my girl for few minutes over video chat, exchanged few photos. I was missing her badly. Continued to explore BKK mongering scene around 11 o'clock after having dinner. Faced a lot of difficulty to find an money exchange near Nana Plaza at this time unlike in Pattaya. Checked out few FLs near Nana Plaza BTS station, none appealed. Moved to Soi 11 in the search of Q-Bar but later realized that it's closed permanently. I already have spent a lot of time in searching Q-Bar, so headed directly to Nana Plaza. Checked out few FLs in Nana Hotel parking lot but again all cutes are gone by that time. Hit Nana Plaza, time was 1 o'clock, checked out few gogos but I was missing my Pattaya all this time might be due to which I didn't like any girl in gogos. Left empty handed to my hotel around 1:30 and was very much disappointed for an unknown reason. Had few minutes of chat and slept.

Night 6:

Woke up around 11:00 in the morning, called up a close monger friend of mine to take some suggestions for the night and he told a proverb - "No one can stop you getting laid in Bangkok unless you don't want to", quite inspiring. I followed him and hit Insanity Nightclub (Club Insomnia) around 11:15 in night. Oh God this club is so disappointing, was almost empty even at 11:30 unlike Insomnia / iBar in Pattaya. Stayed there for 1. 5 Hrs but none to choose and I was still missing my Pattaya girl. Left for Cowboy around 1 o'clock. Checked out Baccara and there were some real stunner in ground floor stage. Checked out first floor for few minutes where a Topless pole dance round was going on but most of them were unattractive. Felt sorry for a new-comer who fell down while making a move around Pole (LOL), I doubt her pussy was hurt in this process. Might be it was my Pattaya girl's thought which was not allowing me to choose a girl even though there were a lot of stunner available to be picked up and it was very late in night. Left around 2:30 empty handed.

FYI I was supposed to take my return flight next day, but after all these incidents in last 2 nights I was completely frustrated and was not at all in a mood to return back with such a disappointing experience. Called up my buddy in morning and explained my utter unsatisfactory experience. He suggested to continue for next few days which would result the loss of money I invested in flight booking. But I chose my personal satisfaction over money and decided to continue my mongering activity for new few days. Booked next flight after 4 days and hotels for next 4 days as well.

Prepared to return back to Pattaya around 2 PM, meanwhile I already have notified my girl about what was going on and she was waiting for me in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Raju1974;1858344]Did all possible things but after 2 hrs suddenly had some vomiting and ain abodmne so I asked her to leave if she wishes. And She went.

The deal was LT 3 k, but she went in 2 hours so she asked for 2 k,which I paid immediately. [/quote].

I think you didn't see her vomiting, only heard the efforts from the bathroom. She just gave you the normal "LT-becomes-ST" switch service. So she got 2K instead of 1 or 1.5 for ST, which is a win for her.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1857800]HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks. My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies). Thanks a lot and have good time![/QUOTE]I found a BBBJ to be the standard in Pattaya. In my two visits there, maybe only once or twice did a girl slip on a cover. I have never asked for CIM, since I am not often able to come orally, and I prefer coming the natural way.

But, at one of the Soi 6 clubs, I was offered CIM when I was having a difficult time reaching completing. CIV was not working and I was worn out trying, so she went back to a HJ, but that was not working either. She was a great girl who was trying, but I was just unable to get there. She offered oral, with the implied offer of CIM, but I knew at that point nothing was going to happen as I had nearly gone numb, so I declined the offer. So, CIM is available, but maybe only from certain girls under certain situations. If CIM is important, ask up front.

But certainly, BBBJs are nearly universally available, with CIM probably a bit on the rare side, at least until perhaps the girl has gotten to know you. You best chance might be with the older ladies who have been around.

For me personally, I can't remember the last time a girl didn't provide a BBBJ? It has been what over 10 years, last maybe at a Soapy in Pattaya Sabai Dee? I make sure regardless. I'm been to all the so call BJ places in Pattaya when they open just to check them out. I have only partake once it is just not my thing to have my dick suck while someone is watching or behind some curtain. Some like a friend can get it up and eat a Club Sandwich and have their dick suck not for me. I found that oil massage place are the best for BBBJ, the better they are at it without jerking on your shaft the most likely they are going to allow CIM, but I never partake I like to finish FS.

Some of these foreign girls are remarkably independent. I met one girl who hailed from Madagascar by way of Kenya. I originally met her on SUK in BKK earlier this winter. She travels to Pattaya sometimes to ply her wares. When her 60 day Thai visa expires (with 30 day extension) she travels to Bali and hustles there for 60 days as that is max time with tourist visa and extension for Indo. My FL friend told me she is returning to Thailand next week and wants to see me here. An ambitious Indo or Filipino girl could do the same.

Will probably decline as she will want more money than I am inclined to pay particularly given the low cost here for P4 P. But African girls, I have read, do quite well on Patt.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1852301]During my stay in Pattaya I saw a lot of WGs from Laos, Indonesia and some near by countries.

I wonder how do they get work permit, long term visa, ID cards, learn local language and all other related matters.

Are there some agencies who force girls into this or they come and work by their choice? Just curious to know. I saw a lot of young girls in their under / early twenties who are from outside.

I guess somebody would be having some idea regarding this.[/QUOTE]

I arrived in Pattaya yesterday from BKK and will be here go for 10 days. Some of you may recognize my moniker from the BKK thread. I usually rant about how well I do at Bangkok Beat, amongst other select venues in BKK.

BUT I felt like a fish out of water at the few places I visited on Walking Street last night. I generally avoid the go go's in Bangkok and did so here as well since it does not appear to be worth the cost of drinks, bar fine etc. Vis a vis the service. Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I also went in Red Car near entry to WS but nothing going on there and lousy tech music. At end of night, I hung out near the entry to Marine Disco. Quite a few average looking good girls going in who approximated the general look of Bangkok Beat girls. Due to the late hour, 2:30, i took a pass for that evening but now I know what to expect going forward

Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.

One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.[/QUOTE]I've been to the IBar many times, and there are no LB's there. This can only be because the staff do not allow them in.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.[/QUOTE]The Beach Road scene is certainly hit or miss, and at that time of night the better ones were likely taken. The LB population certainly goes up as the night goes on so they can better conceal their gender. Better hunting late afternoon and around sunset as the fresh ladies arrive and you can see them in the daylight.

SL.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]
Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.
[/QUOTE]Maybe Lucifer? Resident band used to be good, all Americans and a funny Thai girl with a great voice.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.[/QUOTE]As per my recent experience in Pattaya, iBar is the best place to pick a good looking FL. Usually appealing FLs come by 11 o'clock in night and by 12:30-1 o'clock most of them get job for the night. As per the feedback of the girl I had, you won't get a nice FL after 1 o'clock.

I'm in my late 20's and went there around 10:30, got a cute by 11:30 and left at 12:00. I also saw some farangs doing dirty dancing with some girls in ground floor. Your best chance would be go there by 10:30-11:00, target ground floor beach side for a decent FL.

I paid 2. 7 k for the first night, but I'm sure you can get a better price if you negotiate well, which I'm sure you are expert at.

I didn't see any LB for sure. All girls were looking real.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.[/QUOTE]During my stay almost every day I used to check out Beach Road at various times. As per me you have best chance to pick a good looking FL is in early evening (7:00-8:30). I can assure you that there are enough good looking FLs stand in Beach Road, but I doubt on their legit age, my buddy picked a cute girl earlier this month with whom he had a great time and he was telling the girl was around 18 years. And I'm sure you are aware of the new 20's rule for WGs. Do hit Beer Bars in Soi 6 if you have time after all these activities.

I would surely recommend Lucifer then candy shop. If you need some rock music then there is a bar opp lucifer forgot the name though but they play good stuff and you have enough eye candy to pick up too.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]I arrived in Pattaya yesterday from BKK and will be here go for 10 days. Some of you may recognize my moniker from the BKK thread. I usually rant about how well I do at Bangkok Beat, amongst other select venues in BKK.

BUT I felt like a fish out of water at the few places I visited on Walking Street last night. I generally avoid the go go's in Bangkok and did so here as well since it does not appear to be worth the cost of drinks, bar fine etc. Vis a vis the service. Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I also went in Red Car near entry to WS but nothing going on there and lousy tech music. At end of night, I hung out near the entry to Marine Disco. Quite a few average looking good girls going in who approximated the general look of Bangkok Beat girls. Due to the late hour, 2:30, i took a pass for that evening but now I know what to expect going forward

Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.

One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859446]

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. [/QUOTE]67 and you're still in the game, that's a beautiful thing. Hope I can be still in the game like you if I am fortunate enough to reach your age. One thing I hear often from WGs is that they prefer older gents as they are easier to service and not too demanding.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1859832]67 and you're still in the game, that's a beautiful thing. Hope I can be still in the game like you if I am fortunate enough to reach your age. One thing I hear often from WGs is that they prefer older gents as they are easier to service and not too demanding.[/QUOTE]Most old gents prefer the PI. Girls in the Phils are semi-picky these days.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1859796]Maybe Lucifer? Resident band used to be good, all Americans and a funny Thai girl with a great voice.[/QUOTE]Lucifer is a shadow of its old self. The back is closed (some say for remodeling). Since the owner opened 808 nobody goes to Lucifer anymore.

I went to Baccara and tried to pick up a skinny dancer, but she wasn't overly interested, so I ejected.

Insomnia and IBar: got in just before midnight for the half-price beer. Made the rounds but no serious eye contact, so I ejected.

Happy a go-go: the girls were fun but not so hot looking, so I ejected.

Skyfall: lots of hotties. It was around the 1 am mark, when girls start to get serious about lining up some business for the night. Some girl popped out of nowhere and introduced herself to me. I judged her looks in a fraction of a second and found her appetizing, so I asked her if she was dancing soon. I hate it when they get a lady drink and leave you two minutes later under the "I've got to dance on stage" excuse. She said no, so I bought her a lady drink for 150 Baht.

We started chatting. Her name was One. She had the number 170. She was 30 years old but looked like 25. Not one ounce of fat on her body, A nice little tattoo in the small of her back, but pristine otherwise. Great body. Small natural tits. Braces, but very pretty face. A hottie.

At some point she sat on my lap and tried to get me warmed up. I asked how much the barfine was and she said 1000. She said it was only her second day at Skyfall. She looked pretty new to this game.

I asked how much for the girl and she said 10,000. I gave her the "are you serious?" look, and said "no, I meant short time". She said 2,000. I like getting an 80% discount thanks to my skilled negotiation tactics. I believe she was a newbie because the Mamasan clearly didn't know her and had to look up her number on her wrist.

So we went out to Oasis. She'd never been there before and she liked it. It is a classy joint. She asked how long was the room for and I said 2 hours, so she felt unhurried. We showered, and I joined her in the bed. I dimmed the lighting to a romantic mood. I pulled the cover and snuck inside the bedsheet to pretend like we were a boyfriend and girlfriend sleeping together.

She was one of the best fucks I've had in a long time. Totally GFE. I had to go very slow at the beginning, but once she was well warmed up, she went for it. Her body was fantastic. I banged her for a long time. Her best position was missionary. At the end we lay in bed in each other's arms and made small talk. It was almost like having an enthusiastic freelancer. She can't have been with many customers before. And she picked me, as I said initially, so the chemistry was excellent.

All in all, I highly recommend her. She's not completely jaded yet. I gave her 500 Baht tip because she made me happy.

Lucifer'so appeared closed Friday night when I walked by though perhas it was too early. However, it was in full swing when I walked by last night. The band sounded good so might try another night this week. Thanks for tip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1859844]Lucifer is a shadow of its old self. The back is closed (some say for remodeling). Since the owner opened 808 nobody goes to Lucifer anymore.[/QUOTE]

First stop was IBAR last night but as in the prior evening, very little eye contact. Left around 12:30 and went into Windmills, a rather sleazy gogo off WS. All nude place and place was packed, barely a seat to be found, but can't say I am impressed by quality of girls or establishment.

Seriously considered calling it an evening but decided to drop in Red Car, which is near entry to WS. Quite a few pax in there and lots of girls. Nothing happened for a while but an interesting girl caught my eye. She was dressed casually wearing a sort of Daisy Mae type shirt tied above her navel and tight blue jeans. I prefer girls in casual dress as it sometimes indicates possible non pro. Many of the girls in here dressed well and provacative way.

This girl did not have a real classic Thai look and it turned out it was because she was not Thai at all but Iranian / Singapore mix (countries have been changed to protect the innocent). Fluent English but also spoke Russian, Chinese, and, of course, Farsi. Very well traveled too. Suspect it is with sponsor(s) or as high end FL.

We were goofing around dancing for 1/2 hour and finally said she had to leave as needed to sleep due to early departure. Said she was traveling / passing through but had been there before since she knew some of staff. I was disappointed but was ready to roll with it.

Then as she was leaving, she invited me to join her at another club on WS but we could not get in as she did not have her ID. We went to another club down WS on the corner with a guitar sticking off roof. Danced some more. Asked her to come with me to my apartment but she said she was too expensive dampening any hopes I had of a miraculous freebie in Pattaya. LOL.

That place was closing so went to an Iranian owned bar down a side street. Surprisingly happening with locals and Iranians. About 3am now. She started dirty dancing while I sat. She was petite but had a perfect round and non Thai ass plus nice ample breasts.

So she tells me her price: 10,000 baht. I laugh and say you are correct and you are expensive, told her that's a Singapore price. How about Pty discount, I ask. After several minutes of dancing and kissing, she lowers her price to 6,000. I say sorry but still not happening. She asks me price I would pay and I said 3000 max. End of discussion so I figure evening with her is over.

We stumble down Soi looking for transport to our respective accommodations. After several false starts, she is in songtaew with me. Next thing I know, she gets off truck with me at my apartment. Don't recall any convo where she changed her mind but whatever.

Now in apartment, we chat for a while and after a bit, she reconfirms price of 3 k baht and game on. Took nice shower with her, and got the perfect GFE plus what a lover this girl was. Obviously experienced and talented. Amazing 24 yo body with nice shaved and moist pussy. At first she resisted DATY but then went all in on my second recon. attempt. Finished me off with partial CIM after long and leisurely bang. When she left, she called me her sweet dirty old man in a jocular way. Never exchanged contact info as she did not seem interested and was leaving for BKK today anyway.

She also says that she likes sex but not just to bang indiscriminately and had turned down some guys earlier in evening. Clearly one of my most memorable girls of this or any Thai trip. More than I usually pay but no regrets with this one

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859933]We stumble down Soi looking for transport to our respective accommodations. After several false starts, she is in songtaew with me. Next thing I know, she gets off truck with me at my apartment. Don't recall any convo where she changed her mind but whatever.[/QUOTE]Typical. Pattaya. Saturday night. 2 am. You just never know what's going to happen next.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859916]Lucifer'so appeared closed Friday night when I walked by though perhas it was too early. However, it was in full swing when I walked by last night. The band sounded good so might try another night this week. Thanks for tip.[/QUOTE]Lucifer had two bands, a modest one for the front and the Americans for the back which is much larger. I can't imagine them reduced to the front now, they had a lot of public, doing sexy contests, etc. But everything changes, even the best goes, Hollywood in Patong is now closed!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859933]First stop was IBAR last night but as in the prior evening, very little eye contact. [/QUOTE]T, why do you keep worrying about eye contact? You are there; they are there. Just go up and talk to the ones you like. Even non-pro girlfriends that I have met in the discos were never eyeing me. I saw them and liked them and went up to talk to them. If I waited for eye contact I would never have anybody.

Your right as I thought about that after my first night there. Its prob because at certain venues in Bangkok all you get is eye contact. In fact, if you exchange glances, they try to get on you whether you like it or not. So, I am getting lazy. I thought that I need to be a bit more aggressive at the Ibar especially, but the great thing about Thailand is you can still get what you want, as happened to me last night, without barely lifting a finger (or eyebrow).

However, that being said, some of the hotter ladies in Ibar are quite discriminating themselves and might blow you off because they don't like the cut of your gib, your age, or they just feel like being difficult. Frankly, it seems like a tough crowd in there when it comes to the real hotties. I saw guys younger than me getting blown off there though it did not happen to me.

In short, eye contact reduces, though it does not eliminate, your chances of rejection. I don't like it when I get rejected under any circumstance because it reduces my sense of impregnability. 555 / LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1860110]T, why do you keep worrying about eye contact? You are there; they are there. Just go up and talk to the ones you like. Even non-pro girlfriends that I have met in the discos were never eyeing me. I saw them and liked them and went up to talk to them. If I waited for eye contact I would never have anybody.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1860150]
However, that being said, some of the hotter ladies in Ibar are quite discriminating themselves and might blow you off because they don't like the cut of your gib, your age, or they just feel like being difficult. Frankly, it seems like a tough crowd in there when it comes to the real hotties. I saw guys younger than me getting blown off there though it did not happen to me.
In short, eye contact reduces, though it does not eliminate, your chances of rejection. I don't like it when I get rejected under any circumstance because it reduces my sense of impregnability. 555 / LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, it happens and for various reasons, beside what you said it can be that the ladies know about a guy's attitude, that is if he's into paying or not, or of the "wrong" nationality.

It must be said that Ibar is not a easy field for evergreen players. Ladies there feels they have the upper hand being in "best" bar (go figure), and are picky or just act strange. Which is an Asian way to say no.

However if one wants to play on an even level he must act. Of course it makes no sense with women that do ugly faces or gestures for the onset.

What I do is to observe a little, smile a little, then move into or move on. Works for me.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1860150]Your right as I thought about that after my first night there. Its prob because at certain venues in Bangkok all you get is eye contact.[/QUOTE]It reminds me of a buddy of mine, another board member who frequents Dominican Republic. When he came to Thailand he was all bent out of shape because the women in Thailand do not approach the men as the hookers do in DR. To him that meant they were not interested. I said man just go up and talk to them. He was like no fuck that. They need to come to me. Okay. Well more than likely you will keep a dry dick if that is the way it has to be.

As far as the guys getting blown off you have to realize that it is a mixed crowd in the disco these days. There are chicks who are just out to drink and have fun with their friends (from whom you can be rejected, but also score freebies) and chicks out to supplement their income. So if you are rejecred by one just simply move on to the next. Sure bets are women who are alone or with only 1 other girl, and women who are only drinking beer or Breezers. A lot of the women with bottles of liquor and smoking hookahs are just out for fun with friends. The former will be ready to leave with you ASAP.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1859933] Nothing happened for a while but an interesting girl caught my eye. She was dressed casually wearing a sort of Daisy Mae type shirt tied above her navel and tight blue jeans. I prefer girls in casual dress as it sometimes indicates possible non pro. Many of the girls in here dressed well and provacative way.

This girl did not have a real classic Thai look and it turned out it was because she was not Thai at all but Iranian / Singapore mix (countries have been changed to protect the innocent). Fluent English but also spoke Russian, Chinese, and, of course, Farsi. Very well traveled too. Suspect it is with sponsor(s) or as high end FL.
[/QUOTE]Great score, definitely got yourself a great deal with a real looker. Could you imagine what that would have set you back in another country. I love Bangkok Beat too. I have to say, for a 67 y/o, you are definitely setting the bar high for anyone half your age. Be safe and keep those stories coming.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1860150]Your right as I thought about that after my first night there. Its prob because at certain venues in Bangkok all you get is eye contact. In fact, if you exchange glances, they try to get on you whether you like it or not. So, I am getting lazy. I thought that I need to be a bit more aggressive at the Ibar especially, but the great thing about Thailand is you can still get what you want, as happened to me last night, without barely lifting a finger (or eyebrow).

However, that being said, some of the hotter ladies in Ibar are quite discriminating themselves and might blow you off because they don't like the cut of your gib, your age, or they just feel like being difficult. Frankly, it seems like a tough crowd in there when it comes to the real hotties. I saw guys younger than me getting blown off there though it did not happen to me.[/QUOTE]You reminded me of my experience in IBar. Let me put it in detail.

It was my first night in Pattaya in fact it was my first in Thailand. I entered IBar with the hope of getting a nice girl for a first timer like me. I was ready to pay 4 k for a real stunner. I entered around 10:30 and till 11:00 o'clock nothing happened. And I definitely can say that there are some no-pro girls go there for partying.

Around 11:15 I moved towards beach side of bar. Few girls gave me nice approachable glances but I was not interested. At last after 15-20 minutes of wait a nice cute looks at me, I already have seen this lady from backside but after seeing her face I felt an attraction from inside. Our eyes matched and soon I moved to her seat. I politely ask whether I can have a seat with her and she says yes. Next we started our conversation with a "Hi".

After few minutes of waiting I asked her if she was interested to come with me and we settled for 2.7 k. Meanwhile She said me she was 20 and all other regular stuff. Her body was definitely slim which was proved right back in hotel. After approx 15-20 minutes we started for hotel.

The experience back in hotel was real good which resulted me repeating her multiple times.

So yes if I consider my experience and your age, then you might get less eye contact than younger crowd when it comes to stunner. Like Mr. E said it's best to approach girls from your side whom you like and forget about eye contact. Regular / part time hookers come mostly with friends. Happy hunting.

In the end, most of us end up doing what works for us with the least brain damage. On several visits to Ibar, both this winter and last, I felt Ibar was not for me. As Clint Eastwood said 'a man has to know his limitations'.

However, last winter I went to Red Car and found a real hottie and wild one. A few nights ago, I visited again and had the same success. It's not my favorite venue as I hate the loud music but pop in ear plugs to mitigate the noise. But it is a more intimate setting than IBAR and the girls appear friendlier, at least with me. IBAR, as others have noted, draws a wide spectrum of girls including, apparently, non-pros, who by their very nature are less inclined to go with any punter in the vicinity. To each his own.

On a similar subject, I took a stroll on Beach Road last evening around sunset and saw clusters of girls in different areas but sadly no real lookers. Fairly sad bunch imo. I think one has to have exquisite timing to fInd something decent on BR. Either that or beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

In the end, most of us end up doing what works for us with the least brain damage. On several visits to Ibar, both this winter and last, I felt Ibar was not for me. As Clint Eastwood said 'a man has to know his limitations'.

However, last winter I went to Red Car and found a real hottie and wild one. A few nights ago, I visited again and had the same success. It's not my favorite venue as I hate the loud music but pop in ear plugs to mitigate the noise. But it is a more intimate setting than IBAR and the girls appear friendlier, at least with me. IBAR, as others have noted, draws a wide spectrum of girls including, apparently, non-pros, who by their very nature are less inclined to go with any punter in the vicinity. To each his own.

On a similar subject, I took a stroll on Beach Road last evening around sunset and saw clusters of girls in different areas but sadly no real lookers. Fairly sad bunch imo. I think one has to have exquisite timing to fInd something decent on BR. Either that or beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

[QUOTE=OrangeCrust;1860207]Great score, definitely got yourself a great deal with a real looker. Could you imagine what that would have set you back in another country. I love Bangkok Beat too. I have to say, for a 67 y/o, you are definitely setting the bar high for anyone half your age. Be safe and keep those stories coming.[/QUOTE]Honestly, it does not matter what it would set you back in your home or another country. This is Thailand and the only thing you need to keep in mind is the cost of things here and what local salaries are.

By the time I got into town it was fairly late. I wanted to head to WS to take it all in. I figured I wanted a nude bar so I went to WindMill. It was as described. Nude women simulating sex on stage, others dancing. No one really caught my eye. Maybe one or two, but that place is so small it's just uncomfortable. I noticed a sign that said they own SugarBaby as well. So I thought I'd try it. It's bigger, which is great for me because I hate being right up at the stage. I saw a few girls that grabbed my attention. 24,36, 44,57. I went w / 24. After some drinks and groping of course. She was pretty. Took her to my place. She was fun in bed. She's had a kid, she has the scar to prove it. I wish I would have known that. It's not horrible looking, but I just like my girls baby-free. At the bar she told me 2 hours. And I could cum up to 3 times. I thought about taking her up on it, but the second one took forever, so a 3rd was not happening. We fucked for like 45 minutes the second time before I just had to finish myself off on her chest. She gave great head and was fun in almost every position. After that it was 2 AM and I just wanted food and to sleep. I walked over to Bronx Pizza and grabbed 3 slices to go. Brought them to LK Empress and ate then crashed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1860337]Honestly, it does not matter what it would set you back in your home or another country. This is Thailand and the only thing you need to keep in mind is the cost of things here and what local salaries are.[/QUOTE]Even in Thailand, 3 K is nothing out of the ordinary for a woman that is worth it (in the eye of the customer). Even local guys pay that.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1860626]Even in Thailand, 3 K is nothing out of the ordinary for a woman that is worth it (in the eye of the customer). Even local guys pay that.[/QUOTE]3 K is a high-tier price, even more so in Pattaya. Yes, it's not "out of the ordinary" in a sense that it's just high and not an absolutely clear ripoff that we sometimes hear about, but it sure is more than 99% of the hookers are NOT worth it for ST, especially in Pattaya. Pretty office girl on the BTS or even a plain one from 7-11, maybe. Tatted up, hardened Issan hooker in Pattaya (who might still have some looks left if you're drunk). Not so much.

That's 2 weeks (10 work days) of full-time work for a minimum-wage Thai, which is majority of the people. Earning that in an hour is huge.

As for local guys, there are well-off Thais who'd pay that much just to impress their buddies. But I don't see them paying 3 k ST for an Issan hooker / disco freelancer.

Thought I should weigh in on the discussion about paying 3 k for short time as it was my payment for this amount that started the debate.

First, there were some oddities as to how she ended up back in my apartment and perhaps most importantly she is not Thai but from Tehran and Singapore -- an exotic combination to be sure and did not live here. She initially expressed no interest in going with me, then said she was too expensive, and at a later point quoted me 10 k baht that she ultimately knocked back to 6 k baht. I respectively declined and though she asked me the minimum I would pay (my answer was 3 k), I assumed our evening was over. Even though I said 3k, this amount would only be paid in exceptional circumstances, and figured we were too far apart in price in any event so it was a moot point of contention.

After briefly parting ways, I came across her again at the songthaew truck location near WS where she initially accused me of following her. Not sure if she was joking or not. I replied that I was going back to my accommodations just as she was. We both ended up dickering with the driver about the price before climbing in together. When I arrived at my destination, I was surprised that she got off the truck with me and even more so when she accompanied me to my apartment.

In the apartment after a 1/2 hour of chat, she inquired whether I was still willing to pay 3 k baht and at this point I was not about to try to re-negotiate. Bad form, I think. As it turned out, she was a superb performer and well worth it. Total GFE too.

But, it's more than I have paid for a girl all winter. In Bangkok, even for LT, my max price has been 2 k baht. She was my first girl in Pattaya and I know that amount is quite high for here but this situation unfolded in a peculiar way.

That being said, last night I was watching CNBC, an American business news station, when I heard a commentator note he thought Iranians were the best businessmen and negotiators in the world. It gave me pause -- I will tell you that.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1860954]Thought I should weigh in on the discussion about paying 3 k for short time as it was my payment for this amount that started the debate.

First, there were some oddities as to how she ended up back in my apartment and perhaps most importantly she is not Thai but from Tehran and Singapore -- an exotic combination to be sure and did not live here. She initially expressed no interest in going with me, then said she was too expensive, and at a later point quoted me 10 k baht that she ultimately knocked back to 6 k baht. I respectively declined and though she asked me the minimum I would pay (my answer was 3 k), I assumed our evening was over. Even though I said 3k, this amount would only be paid in exceptional circumstances, and figured we were too far apart in price in any event so it was a moot point of contention.

After briefly parting ways, I came across her again at the songthaew truck location near WS where she initially accused me of following her. Not sure if she was joking or not. I replied that I was going back to my accommodations just as she was. We both ended up dickering with the driver about the price before climbing in together. When I arrived at my destination, I was surprised that she got off the truck with me and even more so when she accompanied me to my apartment.

In the apartment after a 1/2 hour of chat, she inquired whether I was still willing to pay 3 k baht and at this point I was not about to try to re-negotiate. Bad form, I think. As it turned out, she was a superb performer and well worth it. Total GFE too.

But, it's more than I have paid for a girl all winter. In Bangkok, even for LT, my max price has been 2 k baht. She was my first girl in Pattaya and I know that amount is quite high for here but this situation unfolded in a peculiar way.

That being said, last night I was watching CNBC, an American business news station, when I heard a commentator note he thought Iranians were the best businessmen and negotiators in the world. It gave me pause -- I will tell you that.[/QUOTE]Well I think 3 K is understandable considering that she was not a local and an exotic beauty. Though I don't think she can get 10 K in BKK, maybe in SG. Where does she ply her trade while in BKK? I'd guess Mixx or Spasso.

She went to Bangkok to visit her embassy, but not sure which one since she has dual citizenship, as she needs more pages added to her passport. She is quite well traveled. I don't think she has any plans to hustle at any BKK clubs as she is only there a night or two before catching a flight somewhere. I was a little unclear where she was going after that but she mentioned something about how she likes Japan. I did joke with her about asking Singapore prices, which she acknowledged. Not your average Pattaya girl as she claimed to speak Russian, Chinese, and some Arabic. Plus her native Farsi tongue and fluent English.

Having a SG passport is a tremendous advantage if you want to travel in Asia. It's less of a hassle too for Europe and US.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1861064]Well I think 3 K is understandable considering that she was not a local and an exotic beauty. Though I don't think she can get 10 K in BKK, maybe in SG. Where does she ply her trade while in BKK? I'd guess Mixx or Spasso.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I am going to be in Pattaya for three nights from April the 13th to Saturday the 16th. I have been to Pattaya before and to Bangkok many times, but never over Songkran. Leaving aside the certainly of being soaked with water, how is the talent in Pattaya over this holiday? Do many of the girls head out for the holiday, or do they stay in town? I am also wondering whether BKK would be a better call, given the festival. Any insights?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and on my last trip to Pattaya, I must say I found Saffire to be the best gogo all around. Any other particular place that comes highly recommended?

Cheers,

Gonzo.

Other BM's who live in Pattata may know more detail but I am under the impression that the Songkran dates and celebration takes place on the following weekend (I. E. 16/17). I think there is a parade on beach road. In fact, Songkran is celebrated on slightly different dates throughout Thailand. I just discovered this during the winter months as I laid plans to leave before Songkran.

[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1861295]Hey guys,

I am going to be in Pattaya for three nights from April the 13th to Saturday the 16th. I have been to Pattaya before and to Bangkok many times, but never over Songkran. Leaving aside the certainly of being soaked with water, how is the talent in Pattaya over this holiday? Do many of the girls head out for the holiday, or do they stay in town? I am also wondering whether BKK would be a better call, given the festival. Any insights?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and on my last trip to Pattaya, I must say I found Saffire to be the best gogo all around. Any other particular place that comes highly recommended?

Cheers,

Gonzo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1861295]


.....I am going to be in Pattaya for three nights from April the 13th to Saturday the 16th.

[/QUOTE]Songkran in Pattaya is from 13. To 19. April. - and it's very wet. 555.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1861332]Songkran in Pattaya is from 13. To 19. April. - and it's very wet. 555.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Bangkok for 11 through the 14th I will come to Pattaya for the weekend.

Hi.

Planing a visit to Pattaya after 10 years. Based on recent update can fellow mongers help on where to find Russian girls in Pattaya. What are going prices for overnight now a days. I promise a FR post my visit.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Robinsmart;1861410]Hi.

Planing a visit to Pattaya after 10 years. Based on recent update can fellow mongers help on where to find Russian girls in Pattaya. What are going prices for overnight now a days. I promise a FR post my visit.
[/QUOTE]Around the Russian places I'd say. Note that they have a poor reputation because they ask for the sky but deliver the dust.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1861083]She went to Bangkok to visit her embassy, but not sure which one since she has dual citizenship
..
Having a SG passport is a tremendous advantage if you want to travel in Asia. It's less of a hassle too for Europe and US.[/QUOTE]Incidentally, Singapore does not allow dual citizenship. It may be difficult to conceal or retain another to Singaporean authorities.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship[/url]

[QUOTE=Robinsmart;1861410]Hi.

Planing a visit to Pattaya after 10 years. Based on recent update can fellow mongers help on where to find Russian girls in Pattaya. What are going prices for overnight now a days. I promise a FR post my visit.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Based on reports from another forum, prices of over 10000 to 20000 baht per night with little or no service seems the norm. Of course they ask payment up front, as always a bad sign. . .

And they are only Russian in a very loose definition of the word. Many are actually from the Southern and Eastern republics and at best may claim some Russian ancestor somewhere in the family tree.

If your fancy is Russian girls, you'd be better off to travel to Russia or even Germany where many of the FKKs and brothels are well stocked with them. Hell, even in the red light district of Antwerpen, we have a few of them.

It's really a hard job to find out the actual and original DOB of a WG from which one can figure out her age. But yes like it has been said like 100 times in this forum, the best way to know a WGs age is to find out her DOB in her Identity document. I followed the same to know the age of my girl with whom I spent a lot of time during my recent trip. But later I find out an interesting fact which I'd like to share with you guys.

1 - This girl has several Facebook accounts (at least 3 I know of) in which DOB mentioned are all different. So it's hard to rely on dates mentioned in FB. I simply skipped it.

2 - One good day I took her passport to give it to the hotel receptionist and just before handing checked out the DOB mentioned in it. The DOB matches with the date mentioned in her latest Facebook profile. So I trusted the info in passport (she is 20 as per passport).

But somewhere in my mind I was not ready to accept it since she is a divorcee and has a son (almost 3 yrs old or more) which means she must have got married at the age of 15-16, sounds quite unfamiliar. On top of that she clearly told me that she didn't has much schooling, thus I guess there wouldn't be any educational certificate to prove her DOB. And considering her financial, educational and family details I don't think she would be having a birth certificate as well. I wonder what document she provided to prove her DOB while getting her passport.

Anyway we had fun and now while going through her FB profile I found out another profile with her photo and few other photos of her son's and her parent's. I believe this profile is her legit profile and the DOB mentioned in it is 10 years older than what's mentioned in her passport, so she would be 30 if I consider this DOB. The assumptions here could be A. May be accidentally she has entered her DOB wrong here, B. She lied / faked her age in her Passport.

Considering all above facts, is it possible to fake one's DOB while getting Passport? I know it's very hard to provide fake / wrong documents while getting a serious document like Passport but considering her situation there might be a chance that she was not able to provide a legit document and somehow managed it with a random date. But nothing can be said for certain.

I'm really confused what to believe, may be someone can provide some more light on it. As a matter of fact she is from Laos.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1861631]It's really a hard job to find out the actual and original DOB of a WG from which one can figure out her age. But yes like it has been said like 100 times in this forum, the best way to know a WGs age is to find out her DOB in her Identity document. I followed the same to know the age of my girl with whom I spent a lot of time during my recent trip. But later I find out an interesting fact which I'd like to share with you guys.

[/QUOTE]Why would you care?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1861696]Why would you care?[/QUOTE]He is still hook on her it's puppet Love!

So I got sick somewhere between Angeles and Pattaya. I went to the pharmacy for a Z-Pack and it's slowly working. But this limited my energy and desire to hook up. I feel bad sneezing and coughing all over a girl that's just trying to earn some money. Worst of all if she gets sick that's lost income. I figured BJ Bars and Massages would be my best bet for not getting a girl sick. So I headed to Honey 1. I picked number 130. She was a 2500 b girl. Across the way they had 3000 b girls. I saw a bunch w / big tits but they all looked fake. 130 looked like she had see cups but it was a padded bra. She had the prettiest face while I was there and a great body so I went with it. She gave a great bath / soapy, in bed she worked hard. It took a while for me to cum but she kept working. She asked for a tip in the elevator. I was planning on it, but I was waiting for the doors to close. This place was filled w / Indian guys when I was there.

The all inclusive rate makes it seem as though tipping isn't a thing, but I hate to be a cheap Charlie. Are others tipping at these places? If so what's the going rate.

Interesting. You learn something every day. She did not tell me she held dual citizenship. I made an assumption since she said parents were citizens of two different countries. In fact, I was unclear about which embassy she was visiting in Bangkok.

I would imagine if one had a choice that you would choose Singapore for your citizenship due to ease of travel but it could be complicated if she grew up and went to university in Tehran as she claimed.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1861492]Incidentally, Singapore does not allow dual citizenship. It may be difficult to conceal or retain another to Singaporean authorities.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1861696]Why would you care?[/QUOTE]Mentally, he has now moved into The Twilight Zone! I can even hear the music.

Cure: Obsession for Men Cologne! LOL!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1861752]Interesting. You learn something every day. She did not tell me she held dual citizenship. I made an assumption since she said parents were citizens of two different countries. In fact, I was unclear about which embassy she was visiting in Bangkok.

I would imagine if one had a choice that you would choose Singapore for your citizenship due to ease of travel but it could be complicated if she grew up and went to university in Tehran as she claimed.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say that I think she did not quite tell you the full truth. I doubt she is from Singapore. Just not gelling for me.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1861767]Mentally, he has now moved into The Twilight Zone! I can even hear the music.

Cure: Obsession for Men Cologne! LOL![/QUOTE]5555 LOL.

I'm in no Twilight Zone and don't dare to go near it anytime soon. I'm good and happy where I am now.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1861704]He is still hook on her it's puppet Love![/QUOTE]Haha. Nothing like that buddy. Whatever it was, it's gone now and there is no puppet and no love from my side. Although this girl is in my contact, I'm just flirting and enjoying till the time she understands I'm not going to pay her a single penny. And if she would be in my contact till my next trip then I might call her for a night. I hope you understand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1861696]Why would you care?[/QUOTE]You are right. Just got curious to know that what age they claim is actually real or they are just bullying with mongers.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1861631]It's really a hard job to find out the actual and original DOB of a WG from which one can figure out her age. But yes like it has been said like 100 times in this forum, the best way to know a WGs age is to find out her DOB in her Identity document. I followed the same to know the age of my girl with whom I spent a lot of time during my recent trip. But later I find out an interesting fact which I'd like to share with you guys.

1 - This girl has several Facebook accounts (at least 3 I know of) in which DOB mentioned are all different. So it's hard to rely on dates mentioned in FB. I simply skipped it.

2 - One good day I took her passport to give it to the hotel receptionist and just before handing checked out the DOB mentioned in it. The DOB matches with the date mentioned in her latest Facebook profile. So I trusted the info in passport (she is 20 as per passport).

But somewhere in my mind I was not ready to accept it since she is a divorcee and has a son (almost 3 yrs old or more) which means she must have got married at the age of 15-16, sounds quite unfamiliar. On top of that she clearly told me that she didn't has much schooling, thus I guess there wouldn't be any educational certificate to prove her DOB. And considering her financial, educational and family details I don't think she would be having a birth certificate as well. I wonder what document she provided to prove her DOB while getting her passport.

Anyway we had fun and now while going through her FB profile I found out another profile with her photo and few other photos of her son's and her parent's. I believe this profile is her legit profile and the DOB mentioned in it is 10 years older than what's mentioned in her passport, so she would be 30 if I consider this DOB. The assumptions here could be A. May be accidentally she has entered her DOB wrong here, B. She lied / faked her age in her Passport.

Considering all above facts, is it possible to fake one's DOB while getting Passport? I know it's very hard to provide fake / wrong documents while getting a serious document like Passport but considering her situation there might be a chance that she was not able to provide a legit document and somehow managed it with a random date. But nothing can be said for certain.

I'm really confused what to believe, may be someone can provide some more light on it. As a matter of fact she is from Laos.[/QUOTE]There was a Lao girl named Phen who use to work as a freelancer on Beach Road across from Royal Garden. Every so often she would go home to get a new passport with a new name & DOB. She told me Thai Border Immigration would give her trouble about all the stamps and want to know if she was working. The passport she showed me made her 23 but she said she was 29. I didn't see her out for some time then ran into her in a Soi7/8 GoGo. She said she started working as a GoGo because of all the police run ins on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1861490]Around the Russian places I'd say. Note that they have a poor reputation because they ask for the sky but deliver the dust.[/QUOTE]I read Rasputin Soapie near Beach Rd Soi6 has Russian girls but at a steep price.

Who knows though she said her Father is Iranian and mother is from Singapore. She grew up and went to university in Tehran, or so she said. She was speaking Farsi to an a owner of an Iranian bar so that much is probably accurate. She was fluent in English too with a non-Thai accent, which led me to believe the Singapore connection.

She has traveled a lot as well and seems well versed in different places, hence her need for more pages in her passport. I would think traveling with an Iranian passport would be difficult but would agree there is an air of mystery about the whole thing.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1861769]Sorry to say that I think she did not quite tell you the full truth. I doubt she is from Singapore. Just not gelling for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tojo5445;1861749]She asked for a tip in the elevator. I was planning on it, but I was waiting for the doors to close. This place was filled w / Indian guys when I was there.

The all inclusive rate makes it seem as though tipping isn't a thing, but I hate to be a cheap Charlie. Are others tipping at these places? If so what's the going rate.[/QUOTE]The rate is all inclusive but I feel a tip is expected now. Many here tip B300-B500. I give B500 if I have a good session which is rare in soapies.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1861631]It's really a hard job to find out the actual and original DOB of a WG from which one can figure out her age. But yes like it has been said like 100 times in this forum, the best way to know a WGs age is to find out her DOB in her Identity document. I followed the same to know the age of my girl with whom I spent a lot of time during my recent trip. But later I find out an interesting fact which I'd like to share with you guys.

1 - This girl has several Facebook accounts (at least 3 I know of) in which DOB mentioned are all different. So it's hard to rely on dates mentioned in FB. I simply skipped it.

2 - One good day I took her passport to give it to the hotel receptionist and just before handing checked out the DOB mentioned in it. The DOB matches with the date mentioned in her latest Facebook profile. So I trusted the info in passport (she is 20 as per passport).

But somewhere in my mind I was not ready to accept it since she is a divorcee and has a son (almost 3 yrs old or more) which means she must have got married at the age of 15-16, sounds quite unfamiliar. On top of that she clearly told me that she didn't has much schooling, thus I guess there wouldn't be any educational certificate to prove her DOB..[/QUOTE]What's the big deal anyway? If she's 20 or 30?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1861803]Who knows though she said her Father is Iranian and mother is from Singapore. She grew up and went to university in Tehran, or so she said. She was speaking Farsi to an a owner of an Iranian bar so that much is probably accurate. She was fluent in English too with a non-Thai accent, which led me to believe the Singapore connection.

She has traveled a lot as well and seems well versed in different places, hence her need for more pages in her passport. I would think traveling with an Iranian passport would be difficult but would agree there is an air of mystery about the whole thing.[/QUOTE]Exotic for sure! I'm glad you liked her and had a good time. I have a feeling she may have just made some stuff up to kinda blend in and market herself well. Anyways, makes life fun and interesting.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1861490]Around the Russian places I'd say. Note that they have a poor reputation because they ask for the sky but deliver the dust.[/QUOTE]In general, the work ethic of Russian girls is very high, similar to Brazil or Thailand, EXCEPT in Thailand, where they are so much in demand, that the market is screwed up.

I would not bother with them. Except if you really must, some of the Uzbekh ladies on Beach Road kind of look Russian, you might want to check that out.

[QUOTE=Tojo5445;1861749]The all inclusive rate makes it seem as though tipping isn't a thing, but I hate to be a cheap Charlie. Are others tipping at these places? If so what's the going rate.[/QUOTE]I normally tip the all-inclusive soapy / oily shop girls 200 baht as standard, up to 500 baht if exceptional, and zero if poor.

SL.

It's late afternoon and I just returned to my apartment from the Tahitian Queen. For those who don't know it, the TQ is reputed to be the oldest go-go in Pattaya and one of the few open during the daytime. I entered around 1 pm and there were two dozen girls there. Most were MILF quality with a sprinkling of stunners.

As the afternoon wore on, the girls increased to 40, some of whom were hot and young. I struck up a conversation with one of these beauties. Just a gorgeous girl with long hair to her waist dyed a light blond. Lek is her name #144. Her sister also works there and she hails from Issan, a university student, and had been there for 3 months. She said she had not had s customer in a while because she was too shy. May be great or, I thought, a total Starfish. Who knows?

After buying her a few shots, I got down to brass tacks and asked her the details of an assignation. For on premises, she said it was 2000 bt for her, 500 for room, and 300 BF. To take her outside, same price for her and 600 BF or slightly more to stay in house, which struck me as odd. On the other hand, I have never paid a BF since I have been in Thailand over the past two winters as go-go's are not my thing and my record stayed intact. What finally killed the deal was it was for one hour and one shot. At first, I thought she said 500bt for the room and her, which obviously sounds ridiculously low though she corrected me later. She gets 2k regardless.

This sounds like the same pricing and time situation as in a BKK go-go that I read about on here so decided to pass. The girl confessed to be shy and I was tempted but still could not bring myself to pull the trigger for only one hour /1 shot.

As far as TQ is concerned, I liked the place. They play music from 60's to now, and old and new videos on tv monitor, including everyone from Neil Young to Led Zep in the old days to Merle Haggard (he died today-RIP) through to Pearl Jam. The a / see worked great on a hot day and HH beer was 69 baht. There was no hustle either as its more or less up to you to make your move.

On the way back to my apartment, a girl popped out in front of me on Beach Road and said to me 'long time. ' Not my type but sure I would not be paying 2000 bt.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1861799]There was a Lao girl named Phen who use to work as a freelancer on Beach Road across from Royal Garden. Every so often she would go home to get a new passport with a new name & DOB. She told me Thai Border Immigration would give her trouble about all the stamps and want to know if she was working. The passport she showed me made her 23 but she said she was 29. I didn't see her out for some time then ran into her in a Soi7/8 GoGo. She said she started working as a GoGo because of all the police run ins on Beach Road.[/QUOTE]The name of my girl is Noy and she does Freelancing. I believe your statement makes much sense when it comes to Lao / Cambodian girls. They get 2 months tourist visa or whatever you say it and they work for sure. Once the 2 month window gets over, they move out of Thailand and re-enter again and this is the story with most of the non-Thai working girls. It's obvious that eventually Immigration dept will start bothering them after seeing their visa activities.

Getting new Passport so often is definitely a new info for me, looks like law and order in Laos is very weak.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1862015] Getting new Passport so often is definitely a new info for me, looks like law and order in Laos is very weak.[/QUOTE]Biometric passports were introduced in Laos only this year.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laotian_passport[/URL]

And is not mandatory to have one to enter Thailand. Moreover, Lao pople can enter Thailand with just an ID card, or very easily illegally.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1861797]5555 LOL.

I'm in no Twilight Zone and don't dare to go near it anytime soon. I'm good and happy where I am now.

Haha. Nothing like that buddy. Whatever it was, it's gone now and there is no puppet and no love from my side. Although this girl is in my contact, I'm just flirting and enjoying till the time she understands I'm not going to pay her a single penny. And if she would be in my contact till my next trip then I might call her for a night. I hope you understand.

You are right. Just got curious to know that what age they claim is actually real or they are just bullying with mongers.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are just flirting. Then you should be happy to know that she is still freelancing around! Since you are not sending her money! Who knows with someone on this board? But, I'm sure you are A-OK with that.

And Noy is probably telling herself what a hoot this guy is and laughing her ass off!

Well, enjoy the ride while it lasts, because some other guys are too, probably at the same instant Noy is chatting or flirting with you!

LOL! ROFLMAO!

[QUOTE=Allover;1861817]The rate is all inclusive but I feel a tip is expected now. Many here tip B300-B500. I give B500 if I have a good session which is rare in soapies.[/QUOTE]Just like any other service I only tip if it is warranted. In soapies I tip 200-300 for good service which like you say is rare. Oddly I've tipped some soi 6 and Kinnaree Place girls 500+ and their service pricing is less than half of a soapie.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1862145]Well, if you are just flirting. Then you should be happy to know that she is still freelancing around! Since you are not sending her money! Who knows with someone on this board? But, I'm sure you are A-OK with that.

And Noy is probably telling herself what a hoot this guy is and laughing her ass off!

Well, enjoy the ride while it lasts, because some other guys are too, probably at the same instant Noy is chatting or flirting with you!

LOL! ROFLMAO![/QUOTE]Haha. You are absolutely right buddy.

Like I mentioned before, first few days after exiting from Thailand were hard for me, but very soon I realized what to expect from a hardened WG. I became normal in next few days (thanks to board members and my close buddies), all good now. I speak with her every few days and I know that she is sleeping with other guys which is her profession, no hard feelings from my side. Although every time I call her she assures me that she is not sleeping with anybody but just party at night (she must be thinking I'm a fool, LOL).

As of now I don't expect anything from her and just want to maintain a casual friendship which might will be beneficial for me during my upcoming Thailand / Laos trip. However I'm considering sending her a gift (few hundred bahts) just to make her believe that I care for her (if such a time comes).

Cheers,

Tom

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1862182]Haha. You are absolutely right buddy.

Like I mentioned before, first few days after exiting from Thailand were hard for me, but very soon I realized what to expect from a hardened WG. I became normal in next few days (thanks to board members and my close buddies), all good now. I speak with her every few days and I know that she is sleeping with other guys which is her profession, no hard feelings from my side. Although every time I call her she assures me that she is not sleeping with anybody but just party at night (she must be thinking I'm a fool, LOL).

As of now I don't expect anything from her and just want to maintain a casual friendship which might will be beneficial for me during my upcoming Thailand / Laos trip. However I'm considering sending her a gift (few hundred bahts) just to make her believe that I care for her (if such a time comes).

Cheers,

Tom[/QUOTE]Oh good! You've finally grown up. Congrats and Good Luck!

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1862182]
However I'm considering sending her a gift (few hundred bahts) just to make her believe that I care for her (if such a time comes).
[/QUOTE]These girls live for today, and tend not to really express long-term gratitude towards punters. If anything, sending a gift would give her ideas that she could extract more from you, and get her frustrated if you don't pay up. I'd save the gift for your next visit, it'll make much more of an impact (and actually benefit you).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1862358]These girls live for today, and tend not to really express long-term gratitude towards punters. If anything, sending a gift would give her ideas that she could extract more from you, and get her frustrated if you don't pay up. I'd save the gift for your next visit, it'll make much more of an impact (and actually benefit you).[/QUOTE]Nice to hear an advice from an experience punter. Your suggestion makes very much sense and I think I'd follow the same. Let's see what happens since there are almost 5 months left till my next trip.

I'm even considering taking her to Luang Prabang / Vientiane trip with me during my next. I get company, not struggle for sex and she gets a free vacation & may a bit of money as gratitude. Let's see.

Recently I was banging again Amy (whom I lay-reported on a while back) from Addict Massage in Bangkok, and when she goes to Pattaya she says she likes Red Car.

Now I'm more familiar with Insomnia / I-bar, where I've banged 10 freelancers (all dutifully lay-reported on in this August forum), so I'm curious about the difference / similarities between the two places. I'll almost surely try Red Car on my next Pattaya jaunt. In the meantime, any advice from "insiders" (pun intended) would be welcome. I tried to search but the forum's engine does not seem to like red car, or red, or car.

Amy says there's a techno area and a hip-hop area. She prefers the hip-hop area. Looks like there's a lot of dancing involved. Also it looks less freelancer-oriented, maybe more just normal girls trying to unwind? She also says it's hopping from 9 pm to 4 am, which I find hard to believe. No smoking, apparently, even shisha?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1862404]...Now I'm more familiar with Insomnia / I-bar, where I've banged 10 freelancers (all dutifully lay-reported on in this August forum), so I'm curious about the difference / similarities between the two places. I'll almost surely try Red Car on my next Pattaya jaunt. In the meantime, any advice from "insiders" (pun intended) would be welcome. I tried to search but the forum's engine does not seem to like red car, or red, or car.

Amy says there's a techno area and a hip-hop area. She prefers the hip-hop area. Looks like there's a lot of dancing involved. Also it looks less freelancer-oriented, maybe more just normal girls trying to unwind? She also says it's hopping from 9 pm to 4 am, which I find hard to believe. No smoking, apparently, even shisha?[/QUOTE]Red car is among my favorite joints on Walking Street. I prefer it to Insomnia / I-bar. For one, it gets going a bit earlier around 11:30 pm. More MILFs show up there, and plenty of FLs looking for company. I picked up many girls there, typically for LT. They ask around 1500/2000 and I always get full GFE. The girls tend to be much nicer than the more hardcore WGs at the GoGo bars.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1862404]Recently I was banging again Amy (whom I lay-reported on a while back) from Addict Massage in Bangkok, and when she goes to Pattaya she says she likes Red Car.

Amy says there's a techno area and a hip-hop area. She prefers the hip-hop area. Looks like there's a lot of dancing involved. Also it looks less freelancer-oriented, maybe more just normal girls trying to unwind? She also says it's hopping from 9 pm to 4 am, which I find hard to believe. No smoking, apparently, even shisha?[/QUOTE]I think something was lost in translation or either Amy does not know what the hell she is talking about. Insomnia (techno)/iBar (hip hop) is the one with the two areas. Walking Street Disco (Red Car) is very small (you can see the entire thing on the video in the link). And very dark. All of the clubs in Pattaya have a mix of FL and normal chicks - mostly FL and few normal chicks.

[URL]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TreKEPZIh3c[/URL]

Shisha has been illegal in Thailand for a long time. They finally cracked down on it seriously towards the end of last year. The only place I have seen it in the past few months was a restaurant that I go to at the end of Jomtien. And there may have been something other than the shisha styled tobacco in those water pipes.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/830869-district-officials-confirm-ban-on-the-sale-and-use-of-shisha-in-pattaya/[/url]

Yes, Red Car is a small club, which I like as it feels a bit more intimate. There are plenty of girls in there, some FL, some hardcore, and I think non-pros, and I had good luck with the Iranian I pulled from there last weekend (see prior report). The prior winter I found a nice crazy spinner in Red Car. When we entered our hotel lobby (Baraquda) around 3 am, she blurted out 'I want to get fucked' much to the amusement of the hotel clerk. Fortunately, no one else was in lobby. Quite a ride.

Thanks to the poster who provided expected prices.

Red car is kind of blend of sports bar and disco. Pop / hiphop, not techno / house.

Upside is that it is a non-smoking place, reason for many of the girls to be there.

Actually. At least that's what they say. I have couple of regulars who go (or work) there.

I would say 75% of the gals are regular who work there most days of the week.

Then the rest odd FLs and girls party with friends.

The other main diff (in addition to non smoke) vs iBar is age. I would say average some 5-10 yrs.

More than iBar, many in 30-35 bracket I think. Friendly yes, GF yes, if the age is OK.

Large part of them flows to Marine by 3 AM, some to iBar at times.

If you want younger hot spinners, not the place for you as odds are low. Go iBar / insomnia.

For those.

If you want a bit older with good service and reasonable price (1500-2000), then yes.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1862404]Recently I was banging again Amy (whom I lay-reported on a while back) from Addict Massage in Bangkok, and when she goes to Pattaya she says she likes Red Car.

Now I'm more familiar with Insomnia / I-bar, where I've banged 10 freelancers (all dutifully lay-reported on in this August forum), so I'm curious about the difference / similarities between the two places. I'll almost surely try Red Car on my next Pattaya jaunt. In the meantime, any advice from "insiders" (pun intended) would be welcome. I tried to search but the forum's engine does not seem to like red car, or red, or car.

Amy says there's a techno area and a hip-hop area. She prefers the hip-hop area. Looks like there's a lot of dancing involved. Also it looks less freelancer-oriented, maybe more just normal girls trying to unwind? She also says it's hopping from 9 pm to 4 am, which I find hard to believe. No smoking, apparently, even shisha?[/QUOTE]

Your description of RedCar is spot on. I don't smoke so the no smoking rule is significant to me and is strictly enforced. A girl I was with tried to light up and was chased out of there.

Music, as to be expected, is a bit too loud but that's par for the course.

Girls are a bit older and perhaps overall not as smoking hot as Ibar etc. But they are friendlier, and yes, for sure, some non-pros can be found. Usually, if you arrive before 11:30, it will be empty.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1862595]Red car is kind of blend of sports bar and disco. Pop / hiphop, not techno / house.

Upside is that it is a non-smoking place, reason for many of the girls to be there.

Actually. At least that's what they say. I have couple of regulars who go (or work) there.

I would say 75% of the gals are regular who work there most days of the week.

Then the rest odd FLs and girls party with friends.

The other main diff (in addition to non smoke) vs iBar is age. I would say average some 5-10 yrs.

More than iBar, many in 30-35 bracket I think. Friendly yes, GF yes, if the age is OK.

Large part of them flows to Marine by 3 AM, some to iBar at times.

If you want younger hot spinners, not the place for you as odds are low. Go iBar / insomnia.

For those.

If you want a bit older with good service and reasonable price (1500-2000), then yes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigRig2007;1852387]You fucking guys bone all these girls constantly. I was in Bangkok for 2 nights and Pattaya for 2 nights and my sack is tapped out. LOL. I am in Phuket now and I just bar fined a girl from one of the bars the one with all the lit up palm trees and the kick ass pole dancers across the street from Tiger. I'll post a report in Phuket but god damn this chick is the hottest I have seen in Thailand so far. I was just going for some cocktails and to say that I've been to Bangla but I ended up barfining this girl because she was fuckign hot! Her chubby friend was chatting me up and I guess sometimes that's the best way in with the lovelies, chat up the chubby friend. I think there was and is a line out the door for this girl but she gave me first dibs cause her friend told her I was the one she should go with and we both have Pomeranians! Haha. Anyway, what a trip. But, yeah, I don't get how you guys do it. I'm dead tired right now and shooting blanks. You must be supermen! LOL.[/QUOTE]After a long night of drinking and whiskey d1 cK. I usually go to the pharmacy and pick up some kamagra gel and Jr. Is ready to go all night.

The combination of alcohol and Kamagra leads to extensive exercising to finish.

They run about 100 Bt for a single dose of 100 MG which is way too much so I only take about 1/3.

Hope this info helps you in the running LOL.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1862753]After a long night of drinking and whiskey d1 cK. I usually go to the pharmacy and pick up some kamagra gel. They run about 100 Bt for a single dose of 100 MG which is way too much so I only take about 1/3.
[/QUOTE]No sir. They run 30 baht for a single dose. You have been getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1862769]No sir. They run 30 baht for a single dose. You have been getting ripped off.[/QUOTE]Where can I buy them for 30 Bt? I usually go to one of the pharmacies with the green sign with the squiggly symbol on the sois LOL.

I didn't go to a boots or other shopping mall store pharmacies.

Thanks for the heads up you've been always a wealth of knowledge:).

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1862753]The combination of alcohol and Kamagra leads to extensive exercising to finish.[/QUOTE]This is a huge complaint of the gals - "farang kin ya, boom boom loooooong time". Their dream is a 5 minute man. But, I always tell them, "look, about half your customers wouldn't even be able to be your customers without viagra".

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1861803]She was fluent in English too with a non-Thai accent, which led me to believe the Singapore connection.

[/QUOTE]Jumping in on a rather old post, but fluency in English with a non-Thai accent has nothing to do with being Singaporean. If anything, with all due respect, the average Singaporean's "fluency" in English is anything but fluent.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1862783]Where can I buy them for 30 Bt? I usually go to one of the pharmacies with the green sign with the squiggly symbol on the sois LOL.

I didn't go to a boots or other shopping mall store pharmacies.

Thanks for the heads up you've been always a wealth of knowledge:).[/QUOTE]Try street vendors on Beach Road towards Walking St, east side. Also on 2nd Rd, west side, between Soi 14-15. I bought a box of 50 recently in BKK for 700 b, that's 14 b a dose.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1862978]Try street vendors on Beach Road towards Walking St, east side. Also on 2nd Rd, west side, between Soi 14-15. I bought a box of 50 recently in BKK for 700 b, that's 14 b a dose.[/QUOTE]

And it is anybody's guess what the quality of those are. Keeping meds outside in the hot and humid air cannot really improve the quality. Generic Thai viagra or "Sidegra" is for sale in any pharmacy I ever tried and cheap enough so no risk of people trying to fake it.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1862930]This is a huge complaint of the gals - "farang kin ya, boom boom loooooong time". Their dream is a 5 minute man. But, I always tell them, "look, about half your customers wouldn't even be able to be your customers without viagra".[/QUOTE]A recent study showed that the average duration of sexual intercourse is somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes. Interestingly enough it also showed that wearing a condom does not significantly makes a difference. Even more interesting is that getting older [B]shortens[/B] the time between insertion and ejaculation.

So these gals dreaming of a 5 minute man are spot on!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1863027]A recent study showed that the average duration of sexual intercourse is somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes. [/QUOTE]OMG I'm a nightmare for these girls then. I can fuck way over average time and not finish, depending on the girl.

I'm listening the word "hardened pro" few a times while reading various reports in forum. I never understood the exact definition of this word even after reading few reports in detail.

I did a search on this and the explanation I found is - "The real Hardened Prostitute is denoted by the 'deprivation' of losing one's self respect, as well as consciously and continuously working in the sale of sexual service for money and who has lost all sense of shame".

Well this definition tells everything by itself but still I'd like to ask the experienced punters and expats to tell their version of this word. This might be a amateur question but still the answers would definitely be amusing.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1863027]A recent study showed that the average duration of sexual intercourse is somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes. Interestingly enough it also showed that wearing a condom does not significantly makes a difference. Even more interesting is that getting older [B]shortens[/B] the time between insertion and ejaculation.

So these gals dreaming of a 5 minute man are spot on![/QUOTE]Hahaha. You be describing me mon.! LOL. .

Maybe because I don't like taking the blue pill? Makes my nasal allergies act up!

[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1861295]Hey guys,

I am going to be in Pattaya for three nights from April the 13th to Saturday the 16th. I have been to Pattaya before and to Bangkok many times, but never over Songkran. Leaving aside the certainly of being soaked with water, how is the talent in Pattaya over this holiday? Do many of the girls head out for the holiday, or do they stay in town? I am also wondering whether BKK would be a better call, given the festival. Any insights?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and on my last trip to Pattaya, I must say I found Saffire to be the best gogo all around. Any other particular place that comes highly recommended?

Cheers,

Gonzo.[/QUOTE]To Gonzo.

I been to Songkran 2 time if you don't want to get wet don't come Thai are crazy they will soak you in Bangkok, but Pattaya is not as bad not as crazy as in Bangkok, I think you should come and see what is Thai new yr is about but for me I rather go to China for the Chinese new year.

Fast eddie 48.

I have heard that type of observation before. We actually joked about the art of speaking Singlish. And, yes, her English speaking abilities were much better than most Singaporeans I have encountered.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1862952]Jumping in on a rather old post, but fluency in English with a non-Thai accent has nothing to do with being Singaporean. If anything, with all due respect, the average Singaporean's "fluency" in English is anything but fluent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1862404]Recently I was banging again Amy (whom I lay-reported on a while back) from Addict Massage in Bangkok, and when she goes to Pattaya she says she likes Red Car.

Now I'm more familiar with Insomnia / I-bar, where I've banged 10 freelancers (all dutifully lay-reported on in this August forum), so I'm curious about the difference / similarities between the two places. I'll almost surely try Red Car on my next Pattaya jaunt. In the meantime, any advice from "insiders" (pun intended) would be welcome. I tried to search but the forum's engine does not seem to like red car, or red, or car.

Amy says there's a techno area and a hip-hop area. She prefers the hip-hop area. Looks like there's a lot of dancing involved. Also it looks less freelancer-oriented, maybe more just normal girls trying to unwind? She also says it's hopping from 9 pm to 4 am, which I find hard to believe. No smoking, apparently, even shisha?[/QUOTE]The previous posters are right. RC girls tend to be older and not as good looking as Ibar. I used to find gems there but last few times I've been there I have struggled even find one girl I'd consider taking.

This is of course all my humble opinion and YMMV.

I have observed that a couple of gems I know that used to go to Red Car have now set up shop at Ibar / Insomnia.

This can probably be said about the other discos as well but I think RC is especially poorly lit and you can get a rude awakening when you walk out of the club with your newfound friend and see her in the light. This happened to me last trip with a girl who I really thought was a stunner but then turned out to be a lot older once I got her out on WS. Fortunately we were still just kind of chatting and had made no agreement to leave together so I was able to abort mission tactfully.

So remember to examine the goods closely before you buy. 555.

I think your friend Amy may actually be confusing RC with Ibar as RC is too small to have separate techno and hip hop areas (and as you know that describes the Ibar / Insomnia setup to a tee) . RC mostly plays a mix of hip hop and top 40 stuff. Rarely techno if I remember correctly.

I was there last night and noticed many more punters than girls. Unusual for Pattaya as Ibar was jumping with hot girls later in evening. I had a date of sorts and she had never been to RedCar and I could tell there was a gleam in her eyes forecasting future visits due to the disproportionate ratio of men to women. The women in there last night were not so great either and my attractive date was getting quite a few looks from the other patrons -- Always a good sign. It also appeared there were quite a few older guys at RC who were in pretty good shape and wondered if there was some sort of athletic event going on in the city.

Will be preparing a report about last night soon. It was another bizarre though ultimately satisfying evening. There is no place like Pattaya. That's for sure.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1863457]The previous posters are right. RC girls tend to be older and not as good looking as Ibar. I used to find gems there but last few times I've been there I have struggled even find one girl I'd consider taking.

This is of course all my humble opinion and YMMV.

I have observed that a couple of gems I know that used to go to Red Car have now set up shop at Ibar / Insomnia.

This can probably be said about the other discos as well but I think RC is especially poorly lit and you can get a rude awakening when you walk out of the club with your newfound friend and see her in the light. This happened to me last trip with a girl who I really thought was a stunner but then turned out to be a lot older once I got her out on WS. Fortunately we were still just kind of chatting and had made no agreement to leave together so I was abel to abort mission tactfully.

So remember to examine the goods closely before you buy. 555.

I think your friend Amy may actually be confusing RC with Ibar as RC is too small to have separate techno and hip hop areas (and as you know that describes the Ibar / Insomnia setup to a tee) . RC mostly plays a mix of hip hop and top 40 stuff. Rarely techno if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863465]I was there last night and noticed many more punters than girls. Unusual for Pattaya as Ibar was jumping with hot girls later in evening. I had a date of sorts and she had never been to RedCar and I could tell there was a gleam in her eyes forecasting future visits due to the disproportionate ratio of men to women. The women in there last night were not so great either and my attractive date was getting quite a few looks from the other patrons -- Always a good sign. It also appeared there were quite a few older guys at RC who were in pretty good shape and wondered if there was some sort of athletic event going on in the city.

Will be preparing a report about last night soon. It was another bizarre though ultimately satisfying evening. There is no place like Pattaya. That's for sure.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tomasb!

It's nice to hear Ibar is going strong. My favorite spot by a mile. I will be in town starting April 28 for a couple of weeks.

RC is a good place to take a date too though. Less smokey than 808 and less crowded than Ibar. It never occurred to me but I may just do it in the future.

When I am on a "date" I like to take the girls to that Crazy Issan place at the end of WS. I just love to watch them go wild to the "country music". Though drinks there are a real ripoff.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1863469]Thanks Tomasb!

It's nice to hear Ibar is going strong. My favorite spot by a mile. I will be in town starting April 28 for a couple of weeks.

.[/QUOTE]Hey, so they allow smoking at I Bar? BTW, I arrive May 4th so maybe I'll see you at Ibar. But, I have not been to Thailand in almost 15 years. LOL! I'm pretty much a Pattaya newbie, only been there once for 2 days!! And at my tender age of mid 50's I'm going to try to dance like you! Haha.

And I'm even prepared to ' Say Uncle ' , as the expression goes....

[QUOTE=Haven123;1863607]Hey, so they allow smoking at I Bar? BTW, I arrive May 4th so maybe I'll see you at Ibar. But, I have not been to Thailand in almost 15 years. LOL! I'm pretty much a Pattaya newbie, only been there once for 2 days!! And at my tender age of mid 50's I'm going to try to dance like you! Haha.

And I'm even prepared to ' Say Uncle ' , as the expression goes....[/QUOTE]Haha. Sure lets try to meet up for a beer! Drop me a PM when you get to to town.

Fuck man. You know I can't remember now if they do allow smoking at Ibar. The Shishas are gone. Thank god. I think that cigarettes may still be allowed. But then again one of the girls I was with was smoking one of those electronic ones.

I do remember my clothes smelling like smoke next day. Anyhow, it's not really an issue for me.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863465]I was there last night and noticed many more punters than girls. Unusual for Pattaya as Ibar was jumping with hot girls later in evening. I had a date of sorts and she had never been to RedCar and I could tell there was a gleam in her eyes forecasting future visits due to the disproportionate ratio of men to women. The women in there last night were not so great either and my attractive date was getting quite a few looks from the other patrons -- Always a good sign.

Will be preparing a report about last night soon.[/QUOTE]Would be interesting to know about your experience with your beautiful "date of sorts". Don't forget to mention her name in your report, would be easy to identify in future since I guess she is a FL. Never mind otherwise.

From my side a very long report is pending. Would try to post it in couple of days.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1863027]A recent study showed that the average duration of sexual intercourse is somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes.

So these gals dreaming of a 5 minute man are spot on![/QUOTE]Unfortunately for the ladies a lot of us take much, much longer than this.

There was no point in mentioning the name of my 'date of sorts' at the RedCar. She is from Bangkok, not Pattaya, and came to visit me for the night. I decided to go with proven quality rather than hunt for one that night though I ended up banging not only her but a friends of hers' she ran into later in the evening at the Ibar. My friend, needless to say, is not the jealous type, unlike many Thai women.

They don't allow smoking at the RedCar but it is allowed at Ibar. However, at least the far end of the Ibar sits over the water in an open air area dispersing the smoke so it's not too bad. I am a non smoker so if a place is too smoky or has poor ventilation, I generally don't stay long.

We also went to Lucifers, which featured a very good hip-hop and rap band and a petite woman, belying her size , with a dynamite voice. Not very crowded and good fun.

I read somewhere else that siskas have been banned in Pattaya and did not notice any cafes renting them.

I went to Sensations and a couple of girls sat at my table, but when I tried to negotiate they just didn't make any sense (poor English?) so I just left.

I made the rounds at Insomnia / IBar but nothing caught my eye. I also tried Red Car as discussed before, which is a nice place. Maybe I wasn't aggressive enough in opening sets, but I also walked out empty-handed.

I said to myself, if you can't get laid on a Saturday night in Pattaya at 2 am, you can't get laid anywhere. So I went to an old favorite, Happy A Gogo. There's a lot of flesh on display, the girls have a pretty friendly attitude, and there's always this crazy pole dancer doing the splits for entertainment value.

Anyway, at some point a girl made eye contact with me and smiled from all the way across the stage, at least 4 meters out, so I said to myself: "that's it, that's your ticket for the night". I like to be the Chosen One. I looked at her a bit on an off while she was progressing from pole to pole, but nothing too heavy / creepy / drooling. I made a point of looking at the other girls too. As she descended from the stage I made sure to keep track of her whereabouts, and motioned her to me for a lady drink. She was pretty tall for a Thai girl, but not taller than me obviously, good body except for exceptionally flat tits. Personally I don't care that much as long as I can lick them and they are sensitive. I wouldn't go flat tits all the time, but once in a while it's OK. It made her feel very self-conscious, so she was extra eager to please in other ways. Her name was Lucky. She'd been working there only 9 days. She asked for 1000 barfine and 3000 short time. I know 3000 is too much, but I didn't even try to negotiate because I knew I'd be banging her for a lot longer than the standard 5 minutes, and I wanted her to tell herself it was worth the effort so she wouldn't rush me.

1) Girl made eye contact with me from afar; 2) 9 days into the job; 3) self-conscious about her body; 4) I overpay. All the elements that forecast a stellar performance in the sack were present. And I was not disappointed!

I took her to Oasis next door. We took a leisurely shower. She gave me a good BBBJ. Condom on, I banged her in all sorts of positions for what seemed like an eternity. I don't have natural staying power, it's just I was very drunk. She didn't complain and was a willing and eager participant in the romp. In the end I finally managed to come, and we were both exhausted. All in all, a spirited performance by a girl who was in the mood for a piece of me. No tip, because 3000 includes the tip already in my view. She didn't even return to the go-go bar, she said she's had enough banging for the day.

Would I repeat? Not her, because I like to swap, but Happy went up one notch in my favor. So I would probably include Happy as standard in my Pattaya night rotations. Would I recommend Lucky? Yes, if you don't mind flat-ish tits. Her chest doesn't look like a boy, it's still very feminine, it's just she struggles a bit to fill her bra cups. She's still relatively fresh enough to give a seemingly normal (not too jaded) performance in the sack.

I am leaving Pattaya shortly for Bangkok where I will be for a night or two before proceeding to Indonesia.

I don't really indulge with the girls that much but seems when I do something odd always seems to happen or perhaps this is standard and to be expected.

Last Saturday was no exception. I contacted a girl I wrote a report about recently on the Bangkok thread and asked her to come to Pattaya and meet me. It was for two reasons: on my last occasion with her, she strongly suggested her interest in finding a girl for the three of us. And I also felt like having a 'date' in Pattaya for a change rather than look for one. She was also a great lay the last time and seemed to prefer the 'A' train.

So we agreed to 3 k long time and she arrived around 9 pm at my apartment and we almost immediately hit the sack for a spirited round, napped a bit and then headed out around midnight.

First stop was Red Car. She had never been and enjoyed. However, after about a 1/2 hour, she wanted to leave but also had an urgency to visit a 7-11 followed by an urgency to go to the bathroom. I suspected it was her period and she said it was. Well, this certainly put a different dimension on the upcoming evening.

Then we walked to Lucifer for a while and listened and danced to a good band. She wanted to go Ibar which as to be expected for a Saturday was absolutely jumping. Girls were everywhere and many quite stunning. We shared a table with 2 girls and my friend attempted to introduce me to these two new girls. They seemed a little bit suspicious of her bUT after my friend wandered off for a bit, I got this girls number for the future.

After 15 minutes or so, my date returned with a hot girl in tow, 22 yo, wearing short cut off blue jeans, and featuring luscious lips and a great body. As it turns out, they are friends from Bangkok so at least the girl was somewhat vetted. It did not take long for this girl to be climbing all over me as she smelled a payday in the offing. My friend encouraged all this but, alas, since she was on her period, I knew no 3 some hijinks were on tap.

Nevertheless, the new girl said in their charming open line.

'how much you pay me'. I said 2 k, she said 3 k, and we agreed to 2. 5 k. She did not seem to pleased with this compromise but such is life. A bird in the hand and all that.

My friend again disappeared so myself and the new girl returned to my place where I had a nice shag without condom, BBBJ. She more or less passed out after she had an orgasm but given the hour 5 am, it was not surprising.

My original 'date' showed up at 7:30 and hopped in bed with us. Nor exactly sure what she was up to with those missing hours but I felt some baht in her bra so apparently she is quite resourceful.

Nothing else happened to her condition but she did give me a nice BBBJ after the other left.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863737]She wanted to go Ibar which as to be expected for a Saturday was absolutely jumping. Girls were everywhere and many quite stunning. We shared a table with 2 girls and my friend attempted to introduce me to these two new girls. They seemed a little bit suspicious of her bUT after my friend wandered off for a bit, I got this girls number for the future.

After 15 minutes or so, my date returned with a hot girl in tow, 22 yo, wearing short cut off blue jeans, and featuring luscious lips and a great body. As it turns out, they are friends from Bangkok so at least the girl was somewhat vetted. It did not take long for this girl to be climbing all over me as she smelled a payday in the offing. My friend encouraged all this but, alas, since she was on her period, I knew no 3 some hijinks were on tap.

Nevertheless, the new girl said in their charming open line.

'how much you pay me'. I said 2 k, she said 3 k, and we agreed to 2. 5 k. She did not seem to pleased with this compromise but such is life. A bird in the hand and all that.

My friend again disappeared so myself and the new girl returned to my place where I had a nice shag without condom, BBBJ. She more or less passed out after she had an orgasm but given the hour 5 am, it was not surprising.[/QUOTE]After reading your story I doubt you just banged the same girl with whom I was just 3 weeks back. The entire story is quite resembling with this girl I had except the BBBJ part.

This girl I had, has a friend in BKK who works there and they meet every now and then. She demanded 3 k to me as well and I settled for 2.7 k. Short cut off blue jeans, luscious lips and a great body everything is quite familiar with me. For me she was a great GFE and she sucks your nipple as well, great experience.

It'd be great if you can share her name / photo. Great experience by you. Keep it up.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863737]I am leaving Pattaya shortly for Bangkok where I will be for a night or two before proceeding to Indonesia.

I don't really indulge with the girls that much but seems when I do something odd always seems to happen or perhaps this is standard and to be expected.

Last Saturday was no exception. I contacted a girl I wrote a report about recently on the Bangkok thread and asked her to come to Pattaya and meet me. It was for two reasons: on my last occasion with her, she strongly suggested her interest in finding a girl for the three of us. And I also felt like having a 'date' in Pattaya for a change rather than look for one. She was also a great lay the last time and seemed to prefer the 'A' train.

So we agreed to 3 k long time and she arrived around 9 pm at my apartment and we almost immediately hit the sack for a spirited round, napped a bit and then headed out around midnight.

.............

'how much you pay me'. I said 2 k, she said 3 k, and we agreed to 2. 5 k. She did not seem to pleased with this compromise but such is life. A bird in the hand and all that.

My friend again disappeared so myself and the new girl returned to my place where I had a nice shag without condom, BBBJ. She more or less passed out after she had an orgasm but given the hour 5 am, it was not surprising.

My original 'date' showed up at 7:30 and hopped in bed with us. Nor exactly sure what she was up to with those missing hours but I felt some baht in her bra so apparently she is quite resourceful.

Nothing else happened to her condition but she did give me a nice BBBJ after the other left.[/QUOTE]Here's my take on your report, FWIW.

All p4 p girls are maximers. Now, you made her come RT from BKK for about 3-4 hours, and she gets $3 k from you LT. But she was also tasked with finding you another. Well, she introduced you to 3. She did her job.

If the one you selected was from truly her friend from BKK, she probably proudly told her that she was getting $3 k from you for LT. That's why the other girl felt a bit down cause you only offered her $2 k to start with although you then agreed on $2. 5 k. And, my guess would be that your BKK girl gets at least 500 B, so that girl only nets maybe $2 k (still not bad for her given the competition that night for a girl in Ibar as you described it.).

And your original BKK girl on her time out jaunt probably did someone for maybe $1 k. So, she might have ended up with $4. 5 K in total and she maximized for herself. It seems you let her disappear and then reappear without any consequences ?

So, now with the drinks and all you probably spent $6. 5-$7 K total for 2 girls. Which is way more than I think you should have. But that's your decision, looks like you a good time anyway.

The lesson here I think is don't expect 3 somes girls who have to also find your third be someone who has your best interest in mind and show 100 PC loyalty to you. They are all p4 p girls and will maximize for themselves.

I think you could have had maybe almost 3 great LT's for what you spent in one night. These kind of arrangements that you went for are always fraught with complications. Par for the course, probably.

Tried to PM you!

Thanks for your offer to meet in IBar in early May. I will try to PM you once I arrive in Pattaya.

Cheers,

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863737]I am leaving Pattaya shortly for Bangkok where I will be for a night or two before proceeding to Indonesia.

I don't really indulge with the girls that much but seems when I do something odd always seems to happen or perhaps this is standard and to be expected.

Last Saturday was no exception. I contacted a girl I wrote a report about recently on the Bangkok thread and asked her to come to Pattaya and meet me. It was for two reasons: on my last occasion with her, she strongly suggested her interest in finding a girl for the three of us. And I also felt like having a 'date' in Pattaya for a change rather than look for one. She was also a great lay the last time and seemed to prefer the 'A' train.

So we agreed to 3 k long time and she arrived around 9 pm at my apartment and we almost immediately hit the sack for a spirited round, napped a bit and then headed out around midnight.

First stop was Red Car. She had never been and enjoyed. However, after about a 1/2 hour, she wanted to leave but also had an urgency to visit a 7-11 followed by an urgency to go to the bathroom. I suspected it was her period and she said it was. Well, this certainly put a different dimension on the upcoming evening.

Then we walked to Lucifer for a while and listened and danced to a good band. She wanted to go Ibar which as to be expected for a Saturday was absolutely jumping. Girls were everywhere and many quite stunning. We shared a table with 2 girls and my friend attempted to introduce me to these two new girls. They seemed a little bit suspicious of her bUT after my friend wandered off for a bit, I got this girls number for the future.

After 15 minutes or so, my date returned with a hot girl in tow, 22 yo, wearing short cut off blue jeans, and featuring luscious lips and a great body. As it turns out, they are friends from Bangkok so at least the girl was somewhat vetted. It did not take long for this girl to be climbing all over me as she smelled a payday in the offing. My friend encouraged all this but, alas, since she was on her period, I knew no 3 some hijinks were on tap.

Nevertheless, the new girl said in their charming open line.

'how much you pay me'. I said 2 k, she said 3 k, and we agreed to 2. 5 k. She did not seem to pleased with this compromise but such is life. A bird in the hand and all that.

My friend again disappeared so myself and the new girl returned to my place where I had a nice shag without condom, BBBJ. She more or less passed out after she had an orgasm but given the hour 5 am, it was not surprising.

My original 'date' showed up at 7:30 and hopped in bed with us. Nor exactly sure what she was up to with those missing hours but I felt some baht in her bra so apparently she is quite resourceful.

Nothing else happened to her condition but she did give me a nice BBBJ after the other left.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had one hell of a night! Nicely done.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1863821]Tried to PM you!

Thanks for your offer to meet in IBar in early May. I will try to PM you once I arrive in Pattaya.

Cheers,[/QUOTE]Sorry bro. I deleted a few so you can resend.

Thanks.

U_V.

Actually, I agree with what you said on one level for sure. I spent too much all things considered that night though barely indulged the rest of the week so it all evens out. However, my friend came from Bangkok arriving at 9pm Saturday and did not leave until 4pm the next day so it was Not only three or four hours. In the end, I had two pretty good LT experiences though admittedly I was with the girls at slightly different times.

I did not bother tracking my date down in Ibar because she was really no use to me since she started her period. I could have stuck it out with her, or just told her we were leaving and I did not want to take another girl, but the result would have been the same -- a BJ before she left the following day. I am not into sex when a girl has her period. I supposed I could have offered her less money (or nothing at all) due to her condition but I did have sex with her before we went out and she took care of me before she left so that would have led to a disagreement so not worth the aggravation. So basically I spent $5500 in total just for the novelty of two girls in a six hour spread. I bought the second girl one drink in Ibar and actually cut off my date earlier as I told her she was too drunk. Also, even though Pattaya is said to be cheaper, I have found the (hot) girls in these clubs like Ibar expect as much as in Bangkok. I think if you are younger, some of these hotties might leave with you for 1500 or 2 k but I was getting nowhere on my prior visits there.

Since I liked the other girl, I wanted to bang her. Basically as simple as that. And, I don't think they discussed the $3 k amount I paid my date when we were in Ibar. My first girl asked me as she was leaving how much I paid her friend though she could have just been confirming the price before she asked for her cut. On the other hand, even though she said they were friends, I think they don't know the word for acquaintances because they were not really friends. I know this because girl 2 (from Ibar) asked me for girl #1 phone number right before she left the apartment. Why do that if she wants to avoid paying my friend a 'finders fee'?
However, my date tried to pull this with me on our first meeting in Bangkok by passing me off to her friend towards the end of the evening as she became increasingly inebriated. I told her no in no uncertain terms and she came home with me for a good assfucking as it turned out.

All that being said, the money I spent that night would have been better allocated to another time and place but sometimes you get the bug and sometimes the bug gets you.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1863818]Here's my take on your report, FWIW.

All p4 p girls are maximers. Now, you made her come RT from BKK for about 3-4 hours, and she gets $3 k from you LT. But she was also tasked with finding you another. Well, she introduced you to 3. She did her job.

If the one you selected was from truly her friend from BKK, she probably proudly told her that she was getting $3 k from you for LT. That's why the other girl felt a bit down cause you only offered her $2 k to start with although you then agreed on $2. 5 k. And, my guess would be that your BKK girl gets at least 500 B, so that girl only nets maybe $2 k (still not bad for her given the competition that night for a girl in Ibar as you described it.).

And your original BKK girl on her time out jaunt probably did someone for maybe $1 k. So, she might have ended up with $4. 5 K in total and she maximized for herself. It seems you let her disappear and then reappear without any consequences ?

So, now with the drinks and all you probably spent $6. 5-$7 K total for 2 girls. Which is way more than I think you should have. But that's your decision, looks like you a good time anyway.

The lesson here I think is don't expect 3 somes girls who have to also find your third be someone who has your best interest in mind and show 100 PC loyalty to you. They are all p4 p girls and will maximize for themselves.

I think you could have had maybe almost 3 great LT's for what you spent in one night. These kind of arrangements that you went for are always fraught with complications. Par for the course, probably.[/QUOTE]

I've been to Pattaya a few time and was wondering if anyone knew of any bars offering darkside trips?

I asked I-rovers and they said they no long offer this.

Cherry Bar was mention on the web but have no email / contact info to ask if they still do this also.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

If not I guess I'll take a stab at going to a Gentlemans Club as opposed to doing both LOL!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1863877]I've been to Pattaya a few time and was wondering if anyone knew of any bars offering darkside trips?
I asked I-rovers and they said they no long offer this.
Cherry Bar was mention on the web but have no email / contact info to ask if they still do this also.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated.
If not I guess I'll take a stab at going to a Gentlemans Club as opposed to doing both LOL!
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rent a motorbike, print a map and do it by yourself. I did sometimes, is a hit and miss but I had some great party around DarkSide. Of course difficult to find a good quality girls but could find some good performer.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1863877]I've been to Pattaya a few time and was wondering if anyone knew of any bars offering darkside trips?

I asked I-rovers and they said they no long offer this.

Cherry Bar was mention on the web but have no email / contact info to ask if they still do this also.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

If not I guess I'll take a stab at going to a Gentlemans Club as opposed to doing both LOL!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This might be useful. I have visited a few and I saw no reason to visit that side of town again. And even if you do find something that floats your boat, good luck in getting her to join you at your hotel, which in all likelihood, will be near beach road. Of course, there are plenty of ST options available in those parts, if that is what you fancy.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1863856]

All that being said, the money I spent that night would have been better allocated to another time and place but sometimes you get the bug and sometimes the bug gets you.[/QUOTE]Dude! $160 for a night you will remember for a long time to come. Well worth it.

2-3 K is the going rate now at Ibar. Yes you can pay less, but then you are not likely to get the girl you want and are likely to waste more time and money fucking around at the club when you should be fucking your dream girl back in the room.

1500 baht is less than $45. If you like to get exactly what you want when you want it then that is not a lot of money. At least not to me. And I am no millionaire by any stretch.

If you are a guy that wants value and quantity that's another story. To each his own. Do the work and save your $30-40.

But be careful. Its damn easy to spend that at the bar in the meantime -- even in Pattaya. I'd rather be giving the money to the girl than the bar. Of course you can stand around all night nursing a beer. But no one likes a cheap charlie. Even if he looks like Brad Pitt.

Putting on my fire retardant gear now and getting ready to get flamed. LOL.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1864133]Dude! $160 for a night you will remember for a long time to come. Well worth it.

2-3 K is the going rate now at Ibar. Yes you can pay less, but then you are not likely to get the girl you want and are likely to waste more time and money fucking around at the club when you should be fucking your dream girl back in the room.

..........

1500 baht is less than $45.

Putting on my fire retardant gear now and getting ready to get flamed. LOL.[/QUOTE]Uncle V, it's not very often that we get to imagine you with your fire retardant gear on. So here goes!!

1. Yeah, maybe you are right. But that's besides the point man. It's all relative. Recently there was a poster on the BKK board who was happy to pay 10 times that for his escorts. So, is he wrong then? Ah, no. It's all relative. Also, if I remember right this was a last night situation in Patts for Tomas before his move to BKK and on to Indo. (if I remember right).

2. But also, as MR ENT says he lives there and anything more than $1500 be and he believes the girl may feel she's got someone she can get more from. Over time, later! And if someone like you, finds a girl he likes, and does pay more than the $2-3 k later then that's ok too. ' Cause it's all relative.

3. Of course, the looks, dress and personality of the girl matter too and there is no equation, it's whatever works for you. Recently there was another poster who primary liked the beach RD girls and mostly went ST for less than $1000 B .So, it's all whatever works for you at that particular time.

4. We are all different man! And many of us are even different on different days and different in different countries.

5. For example, I see things differently when I am in Sao Paulo, BR vs Puerto Plata in the DR. And, sometimes if I go with a girl for a few days to a lux all inclusive resort in the DR, then it will end up being over $200 a night. But, each situation and each experience is different. In that sense, I can understand Tomas and I do understand both your POV and MR. ENt's too.

6. And then there are strange dudes like me who gets more out of a nice dinner in a great setting or in a great disco bar with lots of beautiful girls, music etc providing a great ambiance than I often get back in the room! Why? Because at least for me, I look at things in a math kind of way and also look at pleasure for myself with my own sensory meter in a quantitative way.

The total pleasure, sigmaad over time, say 2-3 hours in a place like Ibar enjoying the drinks, dancing, ambiance etc. , or over a 2-3 dinner in a similarly pleasurable setting (but different) also have sensory pleasure value and many times does compare better (for me in a relative way) than say 20-30 minutes with a girl in the room. Since unlike people like you who wear flame redartant suits I don't quite have the gear to last a whole lot longer. Even if doubled that with another 20-30 minutes in the am with the girl, it's still only 40-60 minutes, and I have to put up with the girl in the am, or during the night, worry about my stuff, walk her down in the am etc etc. Yeah, of course the kinds of pleasure you get from these 3 distinctly different kinds of pleasure seeking activities are not equivalent, we can all try to compute that for ourselves in our minds and with our senses and then make an instructive decision of relative values. At this point in my life, I often find that many people may not be totally honest with themselves about how and when to optimize these 3 kinds of pleasure situations, both before and after, with a feedback loop, when using both $ and time in such a rough inherently subjective valuation of relative pleasure.

Hey, you asked for it! Obviously, not the same kind of incoming you were expecting for sure! LOL! BTW, it looks like maybe you don't like to spend much money in a place like Ibar, so (and this is a rhetorical question) can I then change your name from Uncle V to Uncle (Cheap) Charlie because of your relative valuation of that sensory pleasure vs the extra $30-$40 at the Ibar, in addition to other $ for your girl (s). Dude, when I see you I'm going to try to make you spend $50 at Ibar one night so you can still be Uncle V for the rest of us. Even if that means no girl for you but girl for me that night ! Haha. ROLFMAO!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1864147]Uncle V, it's not very often that we get to imagine you with your fire retardant gear on. So here goes!!

[/QUOTE]This damn suit is no match for your scorching prose. I will need skin grafts before my trip. Otherwise I won't even be able to get laid on Soi 6. 555.

Your arguments are well formed and duly noted. In the end everyone IS different and into their own thing. I respect your cost calculus. But mine is a bit different. I really do enjoy my time with the girls in the room: fucking, cuddling, kissing and horsing around more than hanging out at the club.

Uncle CC? I think you may have missed my point.))) I don't mind spending money at Ibar and have spent a tidy sum there in the past without even batting an eye. But I won't begrudge giving the girl a little extra. Especially if she reciprocates with some hot sex and some good lovin'.

What I don't get is when guys complain about one thing but willingly do the other. But I guess that's just me.

I really do hope we get to meet and hang out and am sure that the verbal sparing will be just as much fun as the hunt at Ibar. I guess the first round is on me (you clever bastard)!

Stay horny my friend.

(until further notice still) Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1864151]This damn suit is no match for your scorching prose. I will need skin grafts before my trip.

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Uncle CC? I think you may have missed my point.))) I don't mind spending money at Ibar and have spent a tidy sum there in the past without even batting an eye. But I won't begrudge giving the girl a little extra. Especially if she reciprocates with some hot sex and some good lovin'.

What I don't get is when guys complain about one thing but willingly do the other. But I guess that's just me.

I really do hope we get to meet and hang out and am sure that the verbal sparing will be just as much fun as the hunt at Ibar. I guess the first round is on me (you clever bastard)!

Stay horny my friend.

(until further notice still) Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Uncle V, I was just playing with you a little. Sometimes, I just try to take this board into a bit of playful direction. And my humor (or the lack of it depending on your point of view) is not for all.

Anyways, it was a lighthearted attempt to induce a bit of different thinking / approach without being full of myself.

Yeah, look forward to meeting ya too. Although I don't know if we'll get to hang out much with you wanting to run off to your loom rapido (haha pun intended) and don your suit on!

BTW, that explains your sign off on all your messages and I can understand why you need to hurry back to your loom. We certainly don't want to see you erect ( without or without your protective gear) at Ibar. Well at least I don't!

And, unlike you ( thankfully ), I certainly don't have the power to Stayyyyyyy Horny ! Consequently, I won't be in any hurry ! LOL! 😜

Thanks, Uncle V. Yes, in this particular instance I felt a bit guilty about paying 2500 baht for the girl in Ibar. However, many times, you read reports about how cheap the girls are in certain destinations or venues but then when you get there, it seems that is already old news. Even on BR, I heard a girl quote a customer 2000 baht, albeit she was quite attractive, which gets to a certain point I would like to make. One night towards the end of my stay, I took a stroll on BR about 10 pm and counted about 275 FL's between the Hard Rock and the Burger King / Pizza Company. Out of this amount, only a few I would ever consider taking to my hotel. Most of the girls were not very attractive, hence BR reputation for being inexpensive. So the cute one who was asking for 2000 was an anomaly because of her comparative look (though she prob would have taken less depending on how astute a negotiator the punter was). Anyway, there are a lot of variables that are involved in how girls determine their price and what they
will accept.

But when fellow posters read about 1000 baht prices, or less, they need to keep in mind the attractiveness of the girl. And, sometimes, that can be quite low (from BR).

The same applies at the Ibar. Sure, there are girls, even in there, who could never get 2500-3000 baht. There is a lot of average and below average in that place as well. These girls might go for 1500 but the girl I took out was hot and her expected rate was simply higher. I don't think she would have gone with me for 2000 though there were quite a few girls in the vicinity who would have gladly taken that amounts, but they were fuglies imo. The other thing that complicates the mix is whether it's long or short time. Even my 2500 baht girl was a bit obtuse about how long that would be, though, in the end, she stayed to about 9 am. I find you just never know as it depends on the hour we leave the venue, etc. It does seem a certain type of girl wants to leave (my apartment) about 4:30 am or so and call it long time. It's almost like the witching hour for them. Case in point, recently, I took a girl to my apartment in Bangkok for long time. I was quite randy that evening and we had sex almost continuously for two or three hours, with some rests in between. She left at 4:30 am and I did not complain. I was spent, she was exhausted, and what's the point for her to stay another few hours. But I got my money's worth in a shorter period of time than I had expected.

So thanks for your encouraging words and into the breech we go...

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1864133]Dude! $160 for a night you will remember for a long time to come. Well worth it.

2-3 K is the going rate now at Ibar. Yes you can pay less, but then you are not likely to get the girl you want and are likely to waste more time and money fucking around at the club when you should be fucking your dream girl back in the room.

1500 baht is less than $45. If you like to get exactly what you want when you want it then that is not a lot of money. At least not to me. And I am no millionaire by any stretch.

If you are a guy that wants value and quantity that's another story. To each his own. Do the work and save your $30-40.

[/QUOTE]I know a few guys who will take exceptional offence to those "going rates". LMAO.

But guess what Uncle V, its Songkran so all the flaming may just be doused by the water jet manned by an Isaan cutie! 5555.

Have fun! Happy Songkran.

Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1864405]I know a few guys who will take exceptional offence to those "going rates". LMAO.

But guess what Uncle V, its Songkran so all the flaming may just be doused by the water jet manned by an Isaan cutie! 5555.

Have fun! Happy Songkran.[/QUOTE]

haha. I think I would rather be burned to a crisp than dealing with Songkran right now.

Apropos my exchange last night with Haven, I just ran across this gem that I can't help citing:

The immortal Casey Stengel debunking the canard that sex before a game was bad for ballplayers: "Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in. ".

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]BS.

I see many Blacks doing well in Pattaya. You did poorly a first post, plust the lack of grammara.

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well sorry you feel that way. I'm black and live there part time. I have black friends that live there full time. None of us have ever had a problem like you claim. Maybe the Mama's at the clubs and bars you went to thought you like fat girls.

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]How does the mamasan hook you up? When I go to bars and gogo clubs I choose the girl I want, not the mamasan.

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]So take a walk down beach road (the "coconut bar") IT IS, OF COURSE, EASIER IF YOU SPEAK THAI.

What you see is what you will get. Negotiate directly with the lady (but watch out. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is).

HAVE YOU EVER EVEN BEEN TO PATTAYA? Kuhree mai ma pattaya? I suspect not.

I will be making my 3rd visit to Pattaya next week. Thinking that Songkram was from April 13-15, I figured I would totally miss it, but now I see that in Pattaya it runs until at least the 19th (next Tuesday). I will arrive BKK at about 11:30 AM next Tuesday, then will take the Bell bus to Pattaya, probably arriving at around 3:30 PM. Bell has indicated that they will not offer hotel transportation on that day, so I will need to get a taxi I presume, as I will have a large bag. Anyone know what the approximate taxi fare should be to Soi 13? I understand Beach Road will be closed.

I presume there will be relatively little traffic heading in to Pattaya on the 19th, as Bell was showing around 30 open seats. And my hotel has been showing a cheap rate, which makes it appear that Pattaya will be in the low season even if Songkran won't yet be officially over. I would not mind a day of Songkran as I have never experienced it before, but I think one day would be plenty!

I will be in Pattaya a week, then will return to BKK for a week to see my "GF" again (a real life, super sweet, old fashioned Thai girl, still a virgin I met online a few year back), after which I will go, alone, to Phuket for 4 days, then either back to Pattaya for a few more days or possibly back to BKK to see the GF (if I manage to break through that kevlar hymen this time).

Looking forward to it, but hope the last day (s) of Songkran won't mess things up.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1864594]I will be making my 3rd visit to Pattaya next week. Thinking that Songkram was from April 13-15, I figured I would totally miss it, but now I see that in Pattaya it runs until at least the 19th (next Tuesday). I will arrive BKK at about 11:30 AM next Tuesday, then will take the Bell bus to Pattaya, probably arriving at around 3:30 PM. Bell has indicated that they will not offer hotel transportation on that day, so I will need to get a taxi I presume, as I will have a large bag. Anyone know what the approximate taxi fare should be to Soi 13? I understand Beach Road will be closed.

I presume there will be relatively little traffic heading in to Pattaya on the 19th, as Bell was showing around 30 open seats. And my hotel has been showing a cheap rate, which makes it appear that Pattaya will be in the low season even if Songkran won't yet be officially over. I would not mind a day of Songkran as I have never experienced it before, but I think one day would be plenty!

I will be in Pattaya a week, then will return to BKK for a week to see my "GF" again (a real life, super sweet, old fashioned Thai girl, still a virgin I met online a few year back), after which I will go, alone, to Phuket for 4 days, then either back to Pattaya for a few more days or possibly back to BKK to see the GF (if I manage to break through that kevlar hymen this time).

Looking forward to it, but hope the last day (s) of Songkran won't mess things up.[/QUOTE]Based on your time frame, the time you indicate by the time you or Bell Bus get to the Bus station area the streets will be wall to wall cars and people. Even if you get to the Station I hope you can roll your big piece of luggage easily because you will need to most likely roll in all the way to the Hotel while getting soaked. You be better off getting in around 8 pm or cancel altogether and come the next day!

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]And example of someone who has never been there or trying to put up a virtual Scare Crow.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1864594]I will arrive BKK at about 11:30 AM next Tuesday, then will take the Bell bus to Pattaya, probably arriving at around 3:30 PM. Bell has indicated that they will not offer hotel transportation on that day, so I will need to get a taxi I presume, as I will have a large bag. Anyone know what the approximate taxi fare should be to Soi 13?[/QUOTE]Taxi from the bus station on Pattaya Nua to Soi 13 should be 200 baht. There are also baht buses at the bus station that may be heading that way. I think it was 50 baht last time I hopped on one to my place on 3rd Rd Soi 18 (and I had my large scuba gear bag). Like LBM said, prepare to get wet.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1864171]Thanks, Uncle V. Yes, in this particular instance I felt a bit guilty about paying 2500 baht for the girl in Ibar. However, many times, you read reports about how cheap the girls are in certain destinations or venues but then when you get there, it seems that is already old news.

But when fellow posters read about 1000 baht prices, or less, they need to keep in mind the attractiveness of the girl.[/QUOTE]Or maybe it could be the attractiveness or more so the CONFIDENCE of the punter? (There was just a guy in the Tijuana thread saying how he took a girl to the hotel and she let her taxi friend bring a pizza for $38 then later a bottle of wine for $25, all for him to pay for. See I would have told the bich to kick rocks, but this guy didn't want to seem cheap TO A HOOKER and just rolled over and paid then came back to the board complaining and telling everyone to be careful. No I do not need to be careful. You need to grow a pair and stop letting biches run you.)

How many girls have you known to say they find themselves really attractive? Usually women harp on about the faults they find in themselves. So maybe it is you putting them up on a pedestal and not themselves thinking they look good enough to get x amount of money.

And I have seen plenty of women in gogos that I did not find attractive yet they all garner the same 3000 baht or whatever. And even in the soapies where the girls with the expensive price tags do not look better than the ones with the cheaper price tags.

You have to remember that there are no set prices in a freelance market unless the women are colluding. So 3 of us could go up to the same woman and get 3 different prices. Women have told me that they will jack the price up on a guy who they do not find attractive. And remember, if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.

Kind of waiting for you to login...

I don't think most BM's need to be lectured about their confidence, or level of attractiveness from someone they have never met and who was not there at the time. I have not had to pay with several very cute girls in Bangkok this winter and last. I get the feeling that you always pay.

Besides appearing a bit angry, what's your point?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864662]Or maybe it could be the attractiveness or more so the CONFIDENCE of the punter? (There was just a guy in the Tijuana thread saying how he took a girl to the hotel and she let her taxi friend bring a pizza for $38 then later a bottle of wine for $25, all for him to pay for. See I would have told the bich to kick rocks, but this guy didn't want to seem cheap TO A HOOKER and just rolled over and paid then came back to the board complaining and telling everyone to be careful. No I do not need to be careful. You need to grow a pair and stop letting biches run you.)

How many girls have you known to say they find themselves really attractive? Usually women harp on about the faults they find in themselves. So maybe it is you putting them up on a pedestal and not themselves thinking they look good enough to get x amount of money.

And I have seen plenty of women in gogos that I did not find attractive yet they all garner the same 3000 baht or whatever. And even in the soapies where the girls with the expensive price tags do not look better than the ones with the cheaper price tags.

You have to remember that there are no set prices in a freelance market unless the women are colluding. So 3 of us could go up to the same woman and get 3 different prices. Women have told me that they will jack the price up on a guy who they do not find attractive. And remember, if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864662].. And remember, if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.[/QUOTE]They should hand out leaflets at all major monger airports with this super line on it. Should be part of every Mongers Mission Statement. A great line.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864654]Taxi from the bus station on Pattaya Nua to Soi 13 should be 200 baht. There are also baht buses at the bus station that may be heading that way. I think it was 50 baht last time I hopped on one to my place on 3rd Rd Soi 18 (and I had my large scuba gear bag). Like LBM said, prepare to get wet.[/QUOTE]Three out of the last 5 years, particular the last two 2014-15, The Junction of Sukhumvit and Pattaya Nua was a parking lot, Even with my motorbike going up the sidewalk etc. I was stuck! I'm can imagine what a car or bus is going to take and once you get off the bus on this particular time (19th at around 2-3 pm) not going to be easy catching a Baht bus for that price or even a bike unless you cough up a bit more? Good luck.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1863949]This might be useful. I have visited a few and I saw no reason to visit that side of town again. And even if you do find something that floats your boat, good luck in getting her to join you at your hotel, which in all likelihood, will be near beach road. Of course, there are plenty of ST options available in those parts, if that is what you fancy.[/QUOTE]This list is really and I mean really old! I live on the Darkside, and as you noted not worth the time and money unless you live out here. I do and I rarely visit any of them and when I say rarely it must have been a few years ago like the list.

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I just got back from Pattaya, I'm a black guy from the US, I was concerned about this idea as well before my trip. Once I got there I had no problem finding ladies in Pattaya willing to go with me from massage girls calling out "massage" as you pass their shops, to go-go bar girls and beach road ladies as well.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1864744]Kind of waiting for you to login...

I don't think most BM's need to be lectured about their confidence, or level of attractiveness from someone they have never met and who was not there at the time. I have not had to pay with several very cute girls in Bangkok this winter and last. I get the feeling that you always pay.

Besides appearing a bit angry, what's your point?[/QUOTE]People on this board that know me personally know I am not angry at all. I am very relaxed and laid back. And if the girl is a hooker then yes I always pay (although the amount varies) because when I met her I knew it was her job to sleep with men for money. I am not trying to cheat her out of her services. Women who are not hookers, I do not give money to.

My point now is that you are killing your own argument. In one post you assert that girls who accept a "low" payment of 1000 baht are not as attractive as girls who insist on more. Then you turn around and tell me that BMs should not be lectured on attractiveness by someone they have never met and who was not there at the time. Yet it is perfectly okay for you to say that girls who guys are paying 1000 to lack attractiveness when you yourself have never seen the girl and was not there at the time.

To top that off, you say that you got several very cute girls for free in Bangkok. It would stand from your own reasoning that the free girls were not as attractive as the 1000 baht girls because they accepted 0 baht, which is even less than 1000. Or is it that only your low cost girls are attractive and everyone else's are hideous?

As I said before, different mongers can get different prices from the same girl, so it says absolute jack shit about the attractiveness of the girl. So when a guy comes on and reports he paid a low amount it makes zero sense to assume the girl was not attractive, the same that it would be stupid to assume a guy who paid a girl 3000 baht must have had a model. This was my original point. Some guys will get beautiful women for cheap while others will pay a handsome amount for an ugly chick. Price has no correlation to the attractiveness of the girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864855] As I said before, different mongers can get different prices from the same girl, so it says absolute jack shit about the attractiveness of the girl. So when a guy comes on and reports he paid a low amount it makes zero sense to assume the girl was not attractive, the same that it would be stupid to assume a guy who paid a girl 3000 baht must have had a model. This was my original point. Some guys will get beautiful women for cheap while others will pay a handsome amount for an ugly chick. Price has no correlation to the attractiveness of the girl.[/QUOTE]But what is equally as important as price? Its 'time'. For 99 percent of the mongers on this board 'time' is a very important part of the negotiations. I'm not talking about the length of time but the time each monger has on the ground in Pattaya. What's it cost you to be turned down on a lowball offer? Nothing because your living there on a permanent basis. What's the cost to almost everyone else when the girl walks away from a lowball offer? Time is money. Every opportunity that walks away from a lowball offer takes some of my precious time. The value of my time depends on the hotness of the girl, the hotter she is the less I'm worried about spending a few bucks more.

Your viewpoint is exactly like the viewpoint of a guy living in Germany visiting the FKK clubs every weekend, he can't understand why you want to fuck 6 girls a day. You know you might never see that girl again when you return next year, he knows he'll see her again next week. You can lowball a girl, she might turn you down the first time but eventually she might accept if business is slow. We 'I' don't have that time.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1864901]But what is equally as important as price? Its 'time'. For 99 percent of the mongers on this board 'time' is a very important part of the negotiations. I'm not talking about the length of time but the time each monger has on the ground in Pattaya. What's it cost you to be turned down on a lowball offer? Nothing because your living there on a permanent basis. What's the cost to almost everyone else when the girl walks away from a lowball offer?
[/QUOTE]In this case we are not discussing specific instances of someone living in Pattaya vs someone who does not paying different prices. We are dicussing if a girl who will go for 1000 baht is less attractive than a girl who will not accept that amount. What we are disussing not only holds true for Pattaya, but any freelance market place on the planet. And it is not only for women.

Say me, you, and Tomas went to bumfuck China looking at the same souvenir in a shop one person 20 minutes after the other. I walk in first and see a posted price of $20. I ask the owner for a discount and he tells me no, the price is as marked. I decide to buy or not buy. You walk in next and see a posted price of $20, but the shop owner says he will give it to you for $17. You can buy or not buy. Tomas comes in last and sees the posted price of $20, but he tells the owner he will give him $15 for it. The owner accepts. Is the souvenir beautiful? There is no way to tell. What we do know is that 3 different strangers were able to secure 3 different prices for the same souvenir. Tomas would have you to believe because the owner was willing to sell it to him for $15 ($5 below the marked price) then the souvenir was not as attractive as the other souvenirs in the shop (eg. The girl who accepts 1000 is not attractive).

It is the same as last May my friend bought a pack of Kamagra for 200 baht. One guy the other day posted that he bought Kamagra for 100 baht. I replied to his post and said dude Kamagra is only 30 baht. Another poster came along and said he bought a whole box of 50 Kamagra from 800 baht (16 baht each). Because we are all buying the same Kamagra for 4 different prices does not mean that the person who paid the least didn't actually receive "quality" Kamagra.

In business this is known as price discrimination. Price discrimination is a pricing strategy that charges customers different prices for the same product or service. In pure price discrimination, the seller will charge each customer the maximum price that he or she is willing to pay. This says absolutely nothing towards the quality of the product is my point.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864915]In business this is known as price discrimination. Price discrimination is a pricing strategy that charges customers different prices for the same product or service. In pure price discrimination, the seller will charge each customer the maximum price that he or she is willing to pay. This says absolutely nothing towards the quality of the product is my point.[/QUOTE]By now I would have thought that it is trite knowledge that price bears no relationship to:

* attractiveness.

* type of services provided.

* quality of services.

The only thing one can be sure of is that the same girl will charge you more for LT than ST, everything else is up in the air and open for negotiations. "Caveat Emptor" as already the Old Romans knew.

The best one can hope for is to know the average prices, set yourself a budget and trust your instincts when negotiating and closing the deal.

Hey guys,

Any suggestion of jacuzzi rooms in any guest friendly hotel on beach road.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1864594]I will be making my 3rd visit to Pattaya next week. Thinking that Songkram was from April 13-15, I figured I would totally miss it, but now I see that in Pattaya it runs until at least the 19th (next Tuesday). I will arrive BKK at about 11:30 AM next Tuesday, then will take the Bell bus to Pattaya, probably arriving at around 3:30 PM. Bell has indicated that they will not offer hotel transportation on that day, so I will need to get a taxi I presume, as I will have a large bag. Anyone know what the approximate taxi fare should be to Soi 13? I understand Beach Road will be closed.

I presume there will be relatively little traffic heading in to Pattaya on the 19th, as Bell was showing around 30 open seats. And my hotel has been showing a cheap rate, which makes it appear that Pattaya will be in the low season even if Songkran won't yet be officially over. I would not mind a day of Songkran as I have never experienced it before, but I think one day would be plenty!

I will be in Pattaya a week, then will return to BKK for a week to see my "GF" again (a real life, super sweet, old fashioned Thai girl, still a virgin I met online a few year back), after which I will go, alone, to Phuket for 4 days, then either back to Pattaya for a few more days or possibly back to BKK to see the GF (if I manage to break through that kevlar hymen this time).

Looking forward to it, but hope the last day (s) of Songkran won't mess things up.[/QUOTE]First off, go down to the 1st floor in the airport and right outside the food court is where the Jomtien bus leaves from hourly. Bell goes to the North road bus station. YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF GOING TO JOMTIEN because the connection back to Pattaya is better. A taxi is about 200 be.

Plan on getting WET unless you are in an ENCLOSED TAXI. Water water everywhere shot at you poured on you BUY A NECK WALLET (large ziploc bag) for 50 be or so or risk getting your phone soaked. Swim trunks mitigate the wet clothes issue.

[QUOTE=Socker;1864925]...If anyone here says money doesn't matter regarding the quality level of P4P pussy they're just plain living
in another world...[/QUOTE]No kidding! So easy for some folks to hide behind a keyboard and write nonsense. It's all about the money, and if a chick thinks her pussy can Command a higher price, you can be sure she will ask for that.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1865192]First off, go down to the 1st floor in the airport and right outside the food court is where the Jomtien bus leaves from hourly. Bell goes to the North road bus station. YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF GOING TO JOMTIEN because the connection back to Pattaya is better. A taxi is about 200 be.

Plan on getting WET unless you are in an ENCLOSED TAXI. Water water everywhere shot at you poured on you BUY A NECK WALLET (large ziploc bag) for 50 be or so or risk getting your phone soaked. Swim trunks mitigate the wet clothes issue.[/QUOTE]There is three ways as far as I know to getting to Jomtien?

1. Sukhumvit.

2. Railroad Track secondary Road parallel to Sukhumvit.

3. By boat.

The first two will be wall to wall cars and people. The railroad Track road isn't as bad but when you get to all the major junctions, Soi Siam, Soi Nernpludwan, Soi Khao Noi, Soi Khao Talo, it will be pretty much dead stop. And the only way to get to Jomtien from this road is turn right and head to Sukhumvit and once you get to this road it most likely will be wall to wall people and cars. On the 19th, Sukhumvit is the problem? Starting at about Noon and until Dust, Sukhumvit is packed with vehicles going up and down both direction. Maybe this year will be different? Good luck.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1865192]First off, go down to the 1st floor in the airport and right outside the food court is where the Jomtien bus leaves from hourly. Bell goes to the North road bus station. YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF GOING TO JOMTIEN because the connection back to Pattaya is better. A taxi is about 200 be.

Plan on getting WET unless you are in an ENCLOSED TAXI. Water water everywhere shot at you poured on you BUY A NECK WALLET (large ziploc bag) for 50 be or so or risk getting your phone soaked. Swim trunks mitigate the wet clothes issue.[/QUOTE]To FLHawk,

Or simply stay in Bangkok the first night and catch a bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya the next day when Songkran is all over.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1864594]I will be making my 3rd visit to Pattaya next week. Thinking that Songkram was from April 13-15, I figured I would totally miss it, but now I see that in Pattaya it runs until at least the 19th (next Tuesday). I will arrive BKK at about 11:30 AM next Tuesday, then will take the Bell bus to Pattaya, probably arriving at around 3:30 PM. Bell has indicated that they will not offer hotel transportation on that day, so I will need to get a taxi I presume, as I will have a large bag. Anyone know what the approximate taxi fare should be to Soi 13? I understand Beach Road will be closed.
I presume there will be relatively little traffic heading in to Pattaya on the 19th, as Bell was showing around 30 open seats. [/QUOTE]Little traffic in Pattaya for 19th April? 18 and 19 are usually the 2 days more crowded for Songkran in Pattaya. My advice is to avoid the transfer on 19th and go to Pattaya the day after. I tried Songkran once, and I'll never go again in Thailand during Songkran.

[QUOTE=BillInLosAnges;1864418]Warning: Do not visit Pattaya if you black. At most a mamasan hook you up with the biggest, "worker" working at that beer bar, ago go or etc. Warning if you are black stay out of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]This is ridiculous, I'm black and I have an incredible time in Pattaya. There's 2 hip hop clubs with pretty much all black guys and Thai chick's that love hip hop and black dudes. If the Mamasan is trying to give you her biggest broad it's only cause most blacks dudes go looking for the thickest chick and they want to accommodate you, they are not being discriminatory they just think that's what you want, you can easily choose another. Anyway I'll be in Pattaya tomorrow getting wet hope you broaden your scope Bruh. Try 808 and then go to Flexx after that they love brothas there.

I'd like to posts my share of experience since a huge talk is going on the price tag.

I personally feel what Mr. E says is the truth which everyone has to accept. Five different people can buy the same product for five different prices and this is a fact not only in mongering world but everywhere else. It clearly depend on one's negotiation skills. And I feel this more true for FLs seating at FL bars like iBar / Insomnia / Red Car and of-course gogo girls. But this can be less promising when it comes to Beach Road girls, they all quote the price what they deserve and one can't negotiate on a low price like that.

For example let's take my experience. I saw this petite babe in iBar and our eyes matched. After all initial formalities "How much" question came and she asked me to quote, however I repeated the same question to her and she quotes 3 k. I knew she was quoting more, but considering her petite body, looks and my attraction towards her I quote 2.5 k, we settled for 2.7 k. Paid her 3 k the next morning which included a 0.3 k tip, total 3 k she got.

Now later I connected with couple of friends who already have used her service before and after me and to my surprise they all have paid 2 k for her. For them, they quote 1 k /1.5 k and she quote 2 k which was final. You can say that I was inexperienced to pay an extra 1 k but for me it was okay since in my experience she was deserving 3 k. I'm sure this exactly is what Mr. E trying to say.

As a monger tourist one can't deny what Breadman says. You can't accept this easily but it's true that everybody wants to bring a girl as quick as possible which results in spending more time with her, may be more fucks. So for me if I see a stunner quoting me 3 k, I'm already attracted to her and she is ready to leave right away with me then may be I'll pay her that amount even if knowing the fact that others pay her 2 k. It's just that I think what I'm paying is relevant to me and if the next morning I'm happy then I believe it's VFM for me whereas it might not be VFM for someone who pays 2 k. "Time is money" is damn true everywhere.

There are multiple reports where an experienced monger makes a deal at a lower price with a gogo stunner and waits for 1-2 hrs for her to make money from LDs which she earns from other punters but not go with them mentioning anonymous reasons. Don't you think here "Time is money" for this punter, he is ready to spend less time with the lady by paying a lesser amount. If I would have a situation like this I simple would have paid the amount quoted with a slight negotiation and have taken the lady right away.

The facts mentioned by Mr. E and Breadman are like to parallel lines going in one direction and the whole world is discussing how these two line are going to intersect each other. Different persons, different perceptions however everybody is right in their perception which is true as a matter of fact.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1865333]Little traffic in Pattaya for 19th April? 18 and 19 are usually the 2 days more crowded for Songkran in Pattaya. My advice is to avoid the transfer on 19th and go to Pattaya the day after. I tried Songkran once, and I'll never go again in Thailand during Songkran.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Unfortunately, I have an opportunity to stop off again (3rd time this year) after a visit to Helsinki (leaving tomorrow). That'll put me in Pattaya Sunday morning around 9-10 AM on the 17th. I'm guessing two difficult and one miserable day dealing with all the water at least until dark. But then I'll have a week to enjoy Pattaya correctly. Avoid Songkran if at all possible; if you want to experience it, plan to arrive on the last day.

/ dddick.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1864744]Besides appearing a bit angry, what's your point?[/QUOTE]Yes our resident Mr. Egoternational.

I just walk up to a woman I see in Pattaya, any woman, and tap her on the shoulder and simply say 'Let's go' and 9 times out 10 they will go. Straightaway without hesitation. No need for any eye contact before hand.

The only exceptions are if they are on a friends night out in which case we will exchange numbers and arrange to meet up the next night.

As for price? That is even simpler. I just toss her a solitary brown note in the morning. No negotiations or discussions beforehand. Not needed or even necessary and no exceptions.

These are the times of course when I do happen to decide to pay.

[QUOTE=Dilwala;1864982]Hey guys,

Any suggestion of jacuzzi rooms in any guest friendly hotel on beach road.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]1) There is a Pattaya Hotels thread on this message board. Better place to ask this question.

2) Penthouse Hotel soi 13/4.

SL.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1865333]
....I tried Songkran once, and I'll never go again in Thailand during Songkran.

[/QUOTE]Agree 100% - I'm in Kuala Lumpur now.... just to skip Songkran.... - it's too much for an old man.... 555.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1865534]Yes our resident Mr. Egoternational.

I just walk up to a woman I see in Pattaya, any woman, and tap her on the shoulder and simply say 'Let's go' and 9 times out 10 they will go. Straightaway without hesitation. No need for any eye contact before hand.

The only exceptions are if they are on a friends night out in which case we will exchange numbers and arrange to meet up the next night.

As for price? That is even simpler. I just toss her a solitary brown note in the morning. No negotiations or discussions beforehand. Not needed or even necessary and no exceptions.

These are the times of course when I do happen to decide to pay.[/QUOTE]You can say what you want about MR E. As I don't know him personally. But his insight and info in regards to the P4P scene are spot on. I live here in Pattaya full time and one of the things I have realized is that you cannot let the ladies dictate and control the situation. They will actually respect you more if you have a set of balls and you lay out your conditions to the transaction.

[QUOTE=SiriusDog;1865464]This is ridiculous, I'm black and I have an incredible time in Pattaya. There's 2 hip hop clubs with pretty much all black guys and Thai chick's that love hip hop and black dudes. If the Mamasan is trying to give you her biggest broad it's only cause most blacks dudes go looking for the thickest chick and they want to accommodate you, they are not being discriminatory they just think that's what you want, you can easily choose another. Anyway I'll be in Pattaya tomorrow getting wet hope you broaden your scope Bruh. Try 808 and then go to Flexx after that they love brothas there.[/QUOTE]Also this guy's first post. A little suspicious.

Plenty of Black guys in Patts doing good work with the ladies and welcome by the larger population. Mr E's reports alone belie thsi guy's claims.

Maybe he just had some bad luck? Who knows?

Re: arriving on last day of Songkran.

Thanks for the advice and info on my scheduled arrival in Pattaya next Tuesday. I would not actually mind experienceing a few hours, well, a few minutes, of Singkran, so I think I will head on down after arriving at BKK Tuesday rather than spend the night in Bangkok, but rather than take the Bell bus and risk getting stuck at the bus station I think it may be better to take a taxi down that will deliver me to at least within a few blocks of my Soi 13 and 2nd Road hotel. I can stand to get soaked pulling / lugging my suit case for a block or two I suppose.

But are the taxi drivers willing to go down there for the 1050 - 1200 TB fee if they think they will get stuck in traffic? Or should getting a taxi from the bus terminal not be a problem? Again, I would be arriving around noon at. BKK and if I take the bus, I would have to take the 2 pm departure (a good reason to take a taxi).

Someone mentioned going to Jomtiem first, or take a train, but I am not sure how they would work. I don't speak the language so I think I should keep things simple.

I actually would prefer a big bus as they are safer. On my first Bell ride we were in an accident. We rear ended s smaller car (not Bell's fault) and the car was crushed. I think the driver was killed. There was like little more than a scratch to the bus.

Anyway, ready to get to Pattaya and start some major report writing! Appreciate all the advice.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1865867]Re: arriving on last day of Songkran.

Thanks for the advice and info on my scheduled arrival in Pattaya next Tuesday. I would not actually mind experienceing a few hours, well, a few minutes, of Singkran, so I think I will head on down after arriving at BKK Tuesday rather than spend the night in Bangkok, but rather than take the Bell bus and risk getting stuck at the bus station I think it may be better to take a taxi down that will deliver me to at least within a few blocks of my Soi 13 and 2nd Road hotel. I can stand to get soaked pulling / lugging my suit case for a block or two I suppose.

But are the taxi drivers willing to go down there for the 1050 - 1200 TB fee if they think they will get stuck in traffic? Or should getting a taxi from the bus terminal not be a problem? Again, I would be arriving around noon at. BKK and if I take the bus, I would have to take the 2 pm departure (a good reason to take a taxi).

Someone mentioned going to Jomtiem first, or take a train, but I am not sure how they would work. I don't speak the language so I think I should keep things simple.

I actually would prefer a big bus as they are safer. On my first Bell ride we were in an accident. We rear ended s smaller car (not Bell's fault) and the car was crushed. I think the driver was killed. There was like little more than a scratch to the bus.

Anyway, ready to get to Pattaya and start some major report writing! Appreciate all the advice.[/QUOTE]Better to take a taxi directly from the airport. Should cost you 1500 including Tolls. Taxi can deliver you straight to your hotel without having to haul your luggage in the hot and humid weather.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1865534]Yes our resident Mr. Egoternational.

I just walk up to a woman I see in Pattaya, any woman, and tap her on the shoulder and simply say 'Let's go' and 9 times out 10 they will go. Straightaway without hesitation. No need for any eye contact before hand.

The only exceptions are if they are on a friends night out in which case we will exchange numbers and arrange to meet up the next night.

As for price? That is even simpler. I just toss her a solitary brown note in the morning. No negotiations or discussions beforehand. Not needed or even necessary and no exceptions.

These are the times of course when I do happen to decide to pay.[/QUOTE]His posts have always had the credibility of someone who lives here, is active in that scene and has some things going for himself. As for the attitude in his writings please keep in mind he is an American. I learn all the time from the guy.

[QUOTE=DanDDick;1865490]I agree 100%. Unfortunately, I have an opportunity to stop off again (3rd time this year) after a visit to Helsinki (leaving tomorrow). That'll put me in Pattaya Sunday morning around 9-10 AM on the 17th. I'm guessing two difficult and one miserable day dealing with all the water at least until dark. But then I'll have a week to enjoy Pattaya correctly. Avoid Songkran if at all possible; if you want to experience it, plan to arrive on the last day.

/ dddick.[/QUOTE]Sorry the last day is the last day you want to get here. Many of the main roads are gridlock. The 18th is much better.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1865534]Yes our resident Mr. Egoternational.[/quote]
Next time try to make clear if you're being sarcastic or perhaps express your criticism in clear terms. It helps.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1865964]Next time try to make clear if you're being sarcastic or perhaps express your criticism in clear terms. It helps.[/QUOTE]Was crystal clear to me from just the title of his post but how did you eventually figure it out?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1865909]His posts have always had the credibility of someone who lives here, is active in that scene and has some things going for himself. As for the attitude in his writings please keep in mind he is an American. I learn all the time from the guy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree!

The key difference (vs. These other posters) is that Mr ENT really tries to help. Whether you like what he says, how he says it is a relative issue. But IMO I think sometimes Mr ENT is kinda frustrated that many visitors to Pattaya don't actually ' get' it!

I think it's easy to tell who is trying to help, you versus just wanting to argue, but really not offering others real specific help, whether you like the advice or not...

Take this FWIW. YMMV.

Thai New Year's Day is April 13th every year. The beautiful and ancient Songkran festival, occurring between 13-15 (3 days) in April, originated to celebrate the occasion in keeping with the Buddhist / Hindu solar calendar. The celebration is meant to ritualize several symbolic Thai traditions.

Mornings, for example, begin with merit-making. Visiting local temples offering food to the Buddhist monks and performing water pouring on Buddha statues was commonly practiced. The rituals represented purification; the washing away of sins and bad luck. As a way to show respect, younger people often practiced water pouring over the palms of elders' hands. Paying reverence to ancestors was an important part of the Songkran tradition.

Unfortunately, that was then and this is now. Songkran is now known primarily for its water festival. Major streets are closed for traffic, and used as arenas for water fights during which the participants take pleasure in splashing water on each other. Of course there is nothing at all wrong with that, and the whole three days can be a lot of fun for young people, especially those who desire to take part.

But in Pattaya, the Songkran festival has, for those of us who live here, become totally perverted by gangs of lowlifes, sadists and cretins who have turned what was once a pleasant traditional occasion into a nine days (April 11-19) of Hell in the streets. Today the authorities in Pattaya have essentially given these miscreants a license to assault people with water any time of the day and night anywhere in the metropolitan area. No longer are the water festivities confined to closed off areas to be enjoyed by only those who wish to participate. Now there is nowhere to escape the water fights.

Nothing gives these creeps greater pleasure than encountering innocent victims anywhere on the streets who wish to remain dry and don't want to participate; then soaking them with gallons of dirty water often freezing cold ice water. They cruise the main thoroughfares and side Soi's everywhere on the beds of 100's of pickup trucks with 50 gallon tubs of ice water which they splash on anyone and everyone within their range. So if one doesn't want to get soaking wet anytime of the day or night he must of necessity stay home.

On top of that, police statistics show that the death toll in Thailand from road accidents doubles during Songkran. In the first four days of the festivities this year 259 people have died and 2,378 were injured in road accidents.

In short, Songkran is dangerous to your comfort, wellbeing, health, and safety. I would recommend to anyone planning a trip to Thailand especially Pattaya scrupulously avoid Songkran.

The comments from Myrrh and Socker aren't serious they have made it personal there is really no merit to their posting. I met Mr. E, a number of years ago and although I haven't spoken or run into him directly for over a year I do see him running around town. The times I've seen him I wouldn't consider the women with him to be " Bottom Feeders ". If it wasn't personal then you would see his posting indicates he doesn't believe in paying Barfines at Go-Go's in particular. Just because we don't have his style doesn't mean he is wrong. I think he explain his point pretty cleared to everyone. Just because you don't like what you hear doesn't mean he is wrong. I live here can't do what he does and couldn't when I was his age. Get over it fellas don't let your EGO get the best of you!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1863917]Rent a motorbike, print a map and do it by yourself. I did sometimes, is a hit and miss but I had some great party around DarkSide. Of course difficult to find a good quality girls but could find some good performer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1863949]This might be useful. I have visited a few and I saw no reason to visit that side of town again. And even if you do find something that floats your boat, good luck in getting her to join you at your hotel, which in all likelihood, will be near beach road. Of course, there are plenty of ST options available in those parts, if that is what you fancy.[/QUOTE]Chris / Blanq thanks for the info but I tend to drink a lot and I don't want to drive LOL.

Pattaya News "1" drunk tourist on motor bike run over by baht bus going to his hotel in central Pattaya.

Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?

He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.

Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.

Damage was aproximatly 3 K.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.

Is this the new way of doing things? [/QUOTE]No. If so, get another girl and post which bar / club is doing this so we know not to waste time there.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?

He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.

Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.

Damage was aproximatly 3 K.[/QUOTE]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1866183]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.[/QUOTE]Ouch! Was she at least a stunner?

Was he happy with the service?

So came to Thailand Ealey morning and ha some rest. Thought of hitting Soi Isx in the afternoon.

As per my research, Songkran in Oattaya was supposed to be held on 19th, but boy I was wrong.

As soon as I steeped out of My walking street Hotel, I got a glimpse of what was going to come. My Baht Bus journey to Sou Six was marred by water being thrown at us by any one who had limbs and had access to water.

What fascinated me was the fact was that though the atmosphere on Soi Six was fantastic, the girls were hardly trying to lure the customers in as is the usual norm. Will it continue in Soi Six till 19th?

Should we expect a drop in number of talent over the coming few days as birds might be flying to home?

Till what time is this water fight continued till? I plan to go to disco often and wouldn't want myself to drenched in water.

Cheers,

J

[QUOTE=LeisureDude;1864805]I just got back from Pattaya, I'm a black guy from the US, I was concerned about this idea as well before my trip. Once I got there I had no problem finding ladies in Pattaya willing to go with me from massage girls calling out "massage" as you pass their shops, to go-go bar girls and beach road ladies as well.[/QUOTE]The guy that posted that is prob a troll. I am black and have been visiting Pattaya for ten years never had any issues and always had a great time.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1866183]A LT from Baccara, Walking St, cost my friend 5,300 b upfront.[/QUOTE]Sadly to say this practice has spread. Usually this is done when it's your first time. So to avoid the problem you need to let the girl know up front with all your other little things you will pay her after not before. If she doesn't go for it then it is your choice to make. Where ever it might be you got to do the interview so she doesn't think you are going to burn her which is one of the reason this started? Once the Mamasan gets into the act it is ruined. Let her know before hand and if she agrees just give her the Barfine and she will take care of it. At Bacarra W. S. If you have BF there before they do not ask for upfront. If you are a regular there the Mamasan do not get involved or want to know if the girl is going ST / LT, But now Mamasan wants to know regardless because too many of their girls were giving money to their regular customers to help pay their BF so they can go see their BF etc. So now if they are going ST, depending on the time must come back in 2 or 3 hours and if they do not get another BF can go home at 1-2 am instead of 4 am?

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1866159]Can anyone expounder on what a friend told me on his last trip (2015) to Thailand?

He said that when he took a girl from Nana (BKK) and walking street (Pattaya) ago gos the mama charged him the bar fine and the Lady cost up front.

Is this the new way of doing things? Haven't read or seen on the web of this new process which is like the Philippines.

Damage was aproximatly 3 K.[/QUOTE]In Nana a friend of mine had an experience like that recently, asked to pay the barfine & lady's fee together upfront. He refused and said he would pay the barfine now and that he would pay the lady later, outside the bar, afterwards, and insisted on that. They agreed.

I checked with my hotel and they too basically said to stay away Tuesday until after 7 pm. Soooo, I figured I might stay in one of those sleep rooms they have at BKK. I can rent there until 5 or 6 pm, rest after s long flight, then take a taxi down. The hotel said they would come get me for a total cost of 1800 TB. I know I will be sleep deprived so this might be reasonable.

A second option that was suggested is to stay in a north Pattaya hotel for the first night. That might be less costly than the airport room. I still want to hit WS Tuesday night, so if I did that I would get a taxi, I guess, ito take me to my original hotel anyway, that evening, so I would only stay for a few hours in north Pattata. A concern would be about traffic from BKK to and Pattaya in the afternoon however.

Anyway, the arrival plans are slowly getting finalized.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1864967]By now I would have thought that it is trite knowledge that price bears no relationship to:

* attractiveness.

* type of services provided.

* quality of services.

The only thing one can be sure of is that the same girl will charge you more for LT than ST, everything else is up in the air and open for negotiations. "Caveat Emptor" as already the Old Romans knew.

The best one can hope for is to know the average prices, set yourself a budget and trust your instincts when negotiating and closing the deal.[/QUOTE]

This needs to be framed and put up on a proverbial wall.

For most products and services, price is correlated with quality. Even if the relationship is not linear (diminishing returns), if you pay more, you almost always get more. This is NOT the case at all with sex workers.

The asking price range depends on the venue type, and theoretically, more expensive venues tend to offer a higher concentration of good lookers. Unfortunately, there is no correlation whatsoever with service levels, in fact the few venues with consistent and solid service standards (like Tulip in Bangkok) tend to be reasonably priced.

Worse yet, high quoted price correlates with (a) the girl's high opinion of her own looks / desirability / status and (b) her audacity to brazenly ask for an amount much higher than the going rate. Neither of those bode well for service quality, though perhaps she might actually have the looks.

For me, quoting a price that's too far (more than +50%) from the going rate is a major red flag, especially since it's obvious I'm not a newbie. What other opportunities to rip me off is she going to take?

[URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/223042/tourist-performs-oral-sex-public-pattaya-songkran-reveler/#prettyPhoto[/URL]

Anyone got a link to the original clip?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866184]Ouch! Was she at least a stunner?

Was he happy with the service?[/QUOTE]Nothing special to me but as a first timer here he was pretty smitten by a girl 25 years younger than himself willing to spend the entire night for under $200 c. Vacationers to Pattaya for the first time, who travel 8-9,000 miles, are not looking at these prices in a Thailand context but that of back home. He thought he got a bargain. Sounded like he banged her from 22:00-6:30 when she left and was real happy with her. I was no different when I first took holidays here. Now living here I seldom go in a GoGo let alone barfine from one.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1866354]Nothing special to me but as a first timer here he was pretty smitten by a girl 25 years younger than himself willing to spend the entire night for under $200 c. Vacationers to Pattaya for the first time, who travel 8-9,000 miles, are not looking at these prices in a Thailand context but that of back home. He thought he got a bargain. Sounded like he banged her from 22:00-6:30 when she left and was real happy with her. I was no different when I first took holidays here. Now living here I seldom go in a GoGo let alone barfine from one.[/QUOTE]I understand you completely. Even after a few trips your standards really go way up. Or even during a rip I find myself getting pickier and pickier.

In any case, though he may not have gotten the best value in our eyes, it sounds like he had a night to remember. And that is what counts.

And I would not flinch at paying the same if I got to have a PSE / GFE LT with my dream girl. But she's have to look something like this. In real life and not photo shop. 555.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1866347][URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/223042/tourist-performs-oral-sex-public-pattaya-songkran-reveler/#prettyPhoto[/URL]

Anyone got a link to the original clip?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4SZbjPExQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunMann;1865976]Was crystal clear to me from just the title of his post but how did you eventually figure it out?[/QUOTE]I went back reading your postings and eventually I was enlightened too.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866373]I understand you completely. Even after a few trips your standards really go way up. Or even during a rip I find myself getting pickier and pickier.

In any case, though he may not have gotten the best value in our eyes, it sounds like he had a night to remember. And that is what counts.

And I would not flinch at paying the same if I got to have a PSE / GFE LT with my dream girl. But she's have to look something like this. In real life and not photo shop. 555.[/QUOTE]Oh, Uncke V! Please tell us you can do better than that!

LOL. JK! She looks awesome! Sorry, you can't have her anymore! 😜.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1866425]Oh, Uncke V! Please tell us you can do better than that!

LOL. JK! She looks awesome! Sorry, you can't have her anymore! .[/QUOTE]Sure I can do better if you can spot me an extra 5 K. 555.

Anyone know which soi 6 bar the public sex occurred at?

Also, Passions gentleman's club was also busted for having no license. 20 girls.

Hey guys,

Have been in Pattaya many a times but I still insider myself a newbie as compared to the Seasoned Mongers here. Anyways cutting to the chase.

After my trip to Soi Six and getting drenched decided to beat the jet lag and sleep. Got up at 2200 Hrs and got ready. Was at Ibar by 2315 Hrs and sat myself down to a pretty nice chick (Called Aay) by midnight. That was my catch for the night. Danced with her and found the chemistry to be right enough to take her home. She was bubbly energetic and was crazy on the dance floor. She however was very smart. She was with her friends (about 8) and was boasting how some men were ready to shell out 5 k for LT. Maybe she was giving me a hint. I told her that if her friends are asking that much then they must be either stunners (said like you to impress her) or they did not like the guy. She laughed and got a clue that I was not naive as I looked. Anyways, it's close to 0230 now and she is tired FR M all the dancing. I broach the idea of giving her a massage.

Having read here recently of not talking about money before hand I kept quiet, but it was she who brought the topic up. A lot of missed conversation later I heard "2 k ST because I like you'. Without sounding or appearing insulting gave her a ' No way Baby ' look. I told her that means you don't like me. .

I countered with 1000 LT. Taking cue from a lot of seniors here I just did not want to raise the price.

I figured she was in two minds and finally agreed to 1.5 LT. Imagine that, from 2 k ST to 1.5 LT. I still stuck to 1 LT. Just did not breach. Now I had invested 2.5 hours with her and found the chemistry to be good, but my brain told me that she was tired after so much dancing so she might end up as a dead fish back in the 'loom'. I ejected the cockpit.

Yes guys, I ejected after spending so much time and energy with her. She was shocked and I think would have agreed for 1 k.

Walked straight out and found this freelancer just outside. Asked her how much for LT. She quoted 1. 5 and I countered 1. She said OK provided she leaves at 6. I had just three hours till then to make hay. Asked her courteously if she wanted anything to eat. She said no she doesn't want to spend my money on anything else. And I was like wow, that's new here. Anyways, took her to the Barbeque carts nearby and insisted her to buy something. She did buy some Barbeque stuff for 55 Baht. Picked up some essentials from 7/11 and went to my pad which was very nearby.

Went for a shower and came out to see her eating. I guess she was hungry.

Now she is about 32 small perky boobs and creamy skin. Spotless. She has had a child but you can not make out. All this chivalry from my end had made her warm up to me. She quickly had shower and came out. Time left for her departure 2.5 hours.

So guys, this was the most sexually charged 2.5 hours of my life. We had sex three times (on Kamagra- I am no superman) in all possible positions I could manage. She was short in height and was highly manageable. While ping it second time I could not come because I was getting tired, she proceeded on to give me BBBJ for 15 min (no use though). Her hole was tight and indicated that she haven't been used too much. She was horny and naughty to get me prepped up for second and third round while also giving a perfect GFE. Loads of DFK.

So, she stays in her own rented 'house' (not apartment) about 30 min from Pattaya and comes by her own motorbike. Parks it opposition the beach road. Even offered by a free transport to my hotel in her motorbike thinking that my hotel is far away. Came yesterday night at 0100 to avoid being drenched in Songkran. Does this for 3 weeks and goes back to Udon Thani every 4 months to reopen her own business of Fried Chicken and sticky rice. Basically whenever her business goes tits up in Udon Thani she comes to Pattaya. Her English is really good (which made me confused- as good English for working girls mean heightened interaction with Falang but her body was not used (or abused) enough for that to be believed).

All in all a GFE. I was happy that I made the right choice in ejecting on the tired Aay who wasn't budging much from 1.5 at 0230 in the night.

Pros:

Creamy white skin.

Long DFK.

Hygienic down below.

Short in height and highly manageable.

Great BBBJ.

Energetic and very eager to please.

Horny once you rev up her engines.

Good Conversationalist.

Enjoys sex (disclaimer could be different with other guys).

Cons.

Perky albeit small boobs.

Left at six in the morning.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1866507]Anyone know which soi 6 bar the public sex occurred at?

Also, Passions gentleman's club was also busted for having no license. 20 girls.[/QUOTE]Dumb drunken fuck. Now the police will crack down, making life harder for all of us.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866655]Dumb drunken fuck. Now the police will crack down, making life harder for all of us.[/QUOTE]When I first viewed the video I recognized the guy, not sure if he lives here but a frequent visitor to Soi 6. I don't frequent Soi 6, much but remember going for a party and this guy was there, one of those loud mouth Americans who thinks he is god gift to women here who never grew up from their Spring Break experience. Looks like Nightwish or Pussy Cat?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866655]Dumb drunken fuck. Now the police will crack down, making life harder for all of us.[/QUOTE]If you mean crack down on people having (oral) sex in public, maybe but they're not going to start closing down bars because of this one incident.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1866383][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4SZbjPExQ[/URL][/QUOTE]The video has been taken down, anyone knows if it can be found somewhere else? A link would be great!

I'm going to Pattaya just after Songkram. After researching here, it sounds like "Honey" and "Honey 2" are good places for soapies, and the cost is 2500-3000.

My question: does that include CFS at the end?

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1866767]The video has been taken down, anyone knows if it can be found somewhere else? A link would be great![/QUOTE]The video has been removed from YouTube as well as from other hosting sites. I'm not sure but you might get it in some adult video hosting sites.

The update on this incident is, Local Police tracked and captured the Foreign Tourist and the Girl. The tourist is from US who served in US Navy for 20 yrs and a regular to the bar. The girl is 20 years old regular bargirl. They both regretted for the indecent behavior in public during Songkran and did it under the influence of alcohol, it just happened spontaneously. The police let them go after fining both.

The incident has been heavily criticized in all Thai travel forums. I wonder how someone can do this to WGs pussy and that too in public.

God bless Thailand.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1866696]When I first viewed the video I recognized the guy, not sure if he lives here but a frequent visitor to Soi 6. I don't frequent Soi 6, much but remember going for a party and this guy was there, one of those loud mouth Americans who thinks he is god gift to women here who never grew up from their Spring Break experience. Looks like Nightwish or Pussy Cat?[/QUOTE]Patts is full of lovely good hearted people both thai and expat.

But it also really attracts the bottom of the barrel scum of the earth too.

I am still decades away form retirement and have toyed with he idea of spending my last days cashing my retirement checks and blowing them on gogo girls. But I'm not sure I could really put up with the influx of West's dregs that continuously wash up on Pattaya's shores.

Maybe Vietnam when the time comes. But pussy is not on tap like in Pattaya. Though I am sure one could build up a nice stable of girls living there if you learned a bit of the language.

Anyhow food for thought for me.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1866750]If you mean crack down on people having (oral) sex in public, maybe but they're not going to start closing down bars because of this one incident.[/QUOTE]Yes, the policemen silent partners would not be impressed!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866884]Patts is full of lovely good hearted people both thai and expat.

But it also really attracts the bottom of the barrel scum of the earth too.

I am still decades away form retirement and have toyed with he idea of spending my last days cashing my retirement checks and blowing them on gogo girls. But I'm not sure I could really put up with the influx of West's dregs that continuously wash up on Pattaya's shores.

Maybe Vietnam when the time comes. But pussy is not on tap like in Pattaya. Though I am sure one could build up a nice stable of girls living there if you learned a bit of the language.

Anyhow food for thought for me.[/QUOTE]Aside from retiring here in decades, I will be long gone by then but hope the best for you. Before I saw the video the first thing I thought it was some stupid Brit or Aussie from down under. I've met more of those than Americans by far that is my own experience living here. I read and hear that Thailand is changing etc. But when you are talking decades I'm not sure? I'll be the first to tell you I b-t-h a lot about the Thai culture because I have something at stake here. Regardless of what I read or hear from the Government I doubt the upper class really want the changes except to talk about it so they can be part of the International Community. To many Expat people like me are Thai bashing, because they want everything to stay exactly the same because of the exchange rate.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1866874]The video has been removed from YouTube as well as from other hosting sites. I'm not sure but you might get it in some adult video hosting sites.

The update on this incident is, Local Police tracked and captured the Foreign Tourist and the Girl. The tourist is from US who served in US Navy for 20 yrs and a regular to the bar. The girl is 20 years old regular bargirl. They both regretted for the indecent behavior in public during Songkran and did it under the influence of alcohol, it just happened spontaneously. The police let them go after fining both.

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[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1866874]

I wonder how someone can do this to WGs pussy and that too in public.


[/QUOTE]You said it yourself, he was under the influence of alcohol and it happened spontaneously. To the poster asking about the clip, it is very short and doesn't show a lot so you're not missing much.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1867001]You said it yourself, he was under the influence of alcohol and it happened spontaneously. To the poster asking about the clip, it is very short and doesn't show a lot so you're not missing much.[/QUOTE]Yes, influence of alcohol and having fun can make people change but the short time (15 minutes) sitting nearby this guy a while back all I heard out of his mouth was fuck fuck fuck, be-t-h not sure if he is ever sober? He reminded me of one of those bullies in High School, College, football jocks, who like to pull people pants down while they are looking. He would have made a good character in the movie Animal House?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1866437]Sure I can do better if you can spot me an extra 5 K. 555.[/QUOTE]That is shocking Uncle V!

You know why? Because from what I have heard and seen written about you, this is your heritage:

" Panhandlers give YOU money " . And by extension.

" Freelancers will do you for Free AND give YOU money".

After all, as we know, you are ' The Most Sexiest Man in the World '.

What happened Uncle V? I hope you still have that famous Mojo of yours!

Well, anyway as an older dude who will be hitting Pattaya at the tail end (no pun intended) of your visit, I have been somewhat sad and dreading how I would compare after those Freelancers and cuties have you in your recent memory! That's why I have only been planning to drink and dance at Ibar ( and leave solo ) knowing full well that you would have left hearts broken and atwitter. . Please have mercy on me my guru!

[QUOTE=RunMann;1867001]To the poster asking about the clip, it is very short and doesn't show a lot so you're not missing much.[/QUOTE]Right, doesn't show alot, but for those who are curious on this page [URL]http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/04/18/sexual-songkran-drunk-american-arrested-performing-oral-sex-bar-girl-public[/URL] still have a link to the video, currently visible.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1867033]That is shocking Uncle V!

You know why? Because from what I have heard and seen written about you, this is your heritage:

" Panhandlers give YOU money " . And by extension.

" Freelancers will do you for Free AND give YOU money".

After all, as we know, you are ' The Most Sexiest Man in the World '.

What happened Uncle V? I hope you still have that famous Mojo of yours!

Well, anyway as an older dude who will be hitting Pattaya at the tail end (no pun intended) of your visit, I have been somewhat sad and dreading how I would compare after those Freelancers and cuties have you in your recent memory! That's why I have only been planning to drink and dance at Ibar ( and leave solo ) knowing full well that you would have left hearts broken and atwitter. . Please have mercy on me my guru![/QUOTE]Yeah, about as sexy as how much baht I have in my pocket you old rake. 555.

We will get you laid at Ibar don't worry.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1867096]Yeah, about as sexy as how much baht I have in my pocket you old rake. 555.

We will get you laid at Ibar don't worry.[/QUOTE]Hey, my Uncle I am planning on getting the Ibar VIP card. Think it's 500 Baht. Do you have one? Seems you get a 20 PC discount.

Anyway, I will buy a bottle of Bacardi (hope you're fine with this 'cause Cubas are all I like to drink) at Ibar and we can have. 000000000001 % of your harem join us!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1866767]The video has been taken down, anyone knows if it can be found somewhere else? A link would be great![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniTOv15qt4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Haven123;1867107]Hey, my Uncle I am planning on getting the Ibar VIP card. Think it's 500 Baht. Do you have one? Seems you get a 20 PC discount.

Anyway, I will buy a bottle of Bacardi (hope you're fine with this 'cause Cubas are all I like to drink) at Ibar and we can have. 000000000001 % of your harem join us![/QUOTE]0000001% of my harem?

Better get two bottles then.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHOwpSWhcQ&ebc=ANyPxKp5obwTHlKmOzOkN94aaiM6F9M8Ma63acZdpByqylWGLyw-KTbXpTdUdQQ2fzzUxtlM6OIV7oFSckHqi2W35Zj2pRMPeA[/URL]

Busted!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1867094]Right, doesn't show alot, but for those who are curious on this page [URL]http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/04/18/sexual-songkran-drunk-american-arrested-performing-oral-sex-bar-girl-public[/URL] still have a link to the video, currently visible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ej2208;1867128][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniTOv15qt4[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, it's interesting to see. If would have been there witnessing it IRL I don't think that I would have been thinking of it as particularly shocking, taking place in Soi 6 during Songkran. Soi 6 seems to be one of the streets where the water madness is the most in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;1867159]Thanks, it's interesting to see. If would have been there witnessing it IRL I don't think that I would have been thinking of it as particularly shocking, taking place in Soi 6 during Songkran. Soi 6 seems to be one of the streets where the water madness is the most in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I was in Sou six today as well an the chaos there would mask any such behavior. It became a hue and cry only because it got viral.

However I agree that the person should have kept real head do the thinking.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1867134]0000001% of my harem?

Better get two bottles then.[/QUOTE]Oh, Lordy, Lordy!

1. In the absence of a decimal point, your number is the same as 1 %, as the zeros in front have no meaning without a decimal point. I assume this was just a slip?

2. Even granting you 1 above, you missed like 5 additional zeros, meaning an additional one hundred thousandth!

You been drinking a tad more Dos Equis than normal my friend? Please recompute! 😎.

On a more serious note, it's all good. We will work it all out, Uncke V.

I'll hold a little Math SAT class for you at IBar! LOL!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1867232]Oh, Lordy, Lordy!

1. In the absence of a decimal point, your number is the same as 1 %, as the zeros in front have no meaning without a decimal point. I assume this was just a slip?

2. Even granting you 1 above, you missed like 5 additional zeros, meaning an additional one hundred thousandth!

You been drinking a tad more Dos Equis than normal my friend? Please recompute! .

On a more serious note, it's all good. We will work it all out, Uncke V.

I'll hold a little Math SAT class for you at IBar! LOL![/QUOTE]Actually the damned ISG editor removed the decimal point for some reason.

That said, I must admit that quantitative methods are not a strength of mine. My methods are qualitative with the occasional comparative case study (I. E. Taking two girls at the same time).

I look forward to our meeting.

You-V.

is what that guy did on Soi 6 enough to get you deported out of Thailand? Personally I can't see Thailand letting him stay.

The case is closed, he paid a fine and has moved on. He's not being deported for it, this story is a nothing burger comparatively speaking. Its only news because someone posted it online which caused an uproar.

[URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/223052/update-public-oral-sex-offender-regular-pattaya-bar-patron/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunMann;1867429]The case is closed, he paid a fine and has moved on. He's not being deported for it, this story is a nothing burger comparatively speaking. Its only news because someone posted it online which caused an uproar.

[URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/223052/update-public-oral-sex-offender-regular-pattaya-bar-patron/[/URL][/QUOTE]Exactly. Tourists get caught fucking on the beach every week.

[URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/crime/222710/tourist-couple-caught-sex-pattaya-beach/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867435]Exactly. Tourists get caught fucking on the beach every week. [/QUOTE]Which is pretty stupid considering the rats and trash on that beach. Probably a few needles in the sand also. Not very romantic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867435]Exactly. Tourists get caught fucking on the beach every week.

[URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/crime/222710/tourist-couple-caught-sex-pattaya-beach/[/URL].[/QUOTE]More often than not Russian couples. There a horny bunch.

I've researched here, but it's not totally clear if CFS is extra over the 2500-3000 soapie fee.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1867563]More often than not Russian couples. There a horny bunch.[/QUOTE]I love the way that Pattaya One, despite being in the dirtiest fleshpot on earth, always maintains the sensibilities of a parish newspaper in Victorian England. Are Thais really 'shocked' and 'appalled' by the behavior of farangs, as Pattaya One keeps telling us? I suppose it's not much of a story to say "Thais were quietly contemptuous but largely indifferent, and soon went back to minding their own business."

[QUOTE=PaulPassem;1867677]I've researched here, but it's not totally clear if CFS is extra over the 2500-3000 soapie fee.[/QUOTE]The fee always includes CFS at no extra charge. However a tip pf B200-B500 on top of the standard fee is expected. Some guys don't tip at all but most do.

This will probably come back to bite me in the ass but fuck it. I don't know who here goes to 808. But in February I met a fine ass midget from Poland who is in there every night. We exchanged numbers but I never followed up. I finally spoke to her today. None of all that other bullshit that you guys say you need to talk about or buying drinks. Straight to the point. These are the only words that I have spoken to her since I stopped her to get her number that night when she was going to the WC. And it is the price that I have always posted in this forum. (Unless she is giving me half off because of her size. LOL.).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867942]This will probably come back to bite me in the ass but fuck it. I don't know who here goes to 808. But in February I met a fine ass midget from Poland who is in there every night. We exchanged numbers but I never followed up. I finally spoke to her today. None of all that other bullshit that you guys say you need to talk about or buying drinks. Straight to the point. These are the only words that I have spoken to her since I stopped her to get her number that night when she was going to the WC. And it is the price that I have always posted in this forum. (Unless she is giving me half off because of her size. LOL.).[/QUOTE]For me, I have had to many lousy dates in USA that did not end in me getting layed at the end of the night or when finally got the sex, it was not worth the time and money spent pursuing it.

My purpose in Pattaya is to cut out the dating game and get to the final event as quickly and cheaply as possible. To play the dating game, buy drinks and meals for a girl who I know I have to pay in the morning makes no sense to me.

Maybe if we hit it off well after a few good visits of her fucking my brains out I would take her for a drink. Even then I think she would prefer a tip instead.

To each his own. If other guys enjoy the dating stuff, go for it.

In the end it's all about having fun.

I enjoy both 'dating' and wham bam sex with someone I just grab and go. Last month the most I did in 1 day was 7 girls, 3 at Kinnaree, then 1 at Honey 2, 1 in soi 6, 1 at Sabai Room, then 1 more at soi 6. Then my gogo girl asked me why I was so tired when she arrived after work. Then some nights no sex but just a fun night out with a few gogo girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1867960]I enjoy both 'dating' and wham bam sex with someone I just grab and go. Last month the most I did in 1 day was 7 girls, 3 at Kinnaree, then 1 at Honey 2, 1 in soi 6, 1 at Sabai Room, then 1 more at soi 6. Then my gogo girl asked me why I was so tired when she arrived after work. Then some nights no sex but just a fun night out with a few gogo girls.[/QUOTE]Ohhhh Boi! That is just incredible!

I suppose you are 17 , going on 27 !

Heck, even back then I never had that kind of stamina or cojones!

Hats off to you! You could be a highly sought after porn star! 😜

haven, FKK guys are used to 5+ girls in a day. I should have clarified that the 2 soapie girls were the 2 worst service girls I have ever had in Thailand so they don't really count. I more or less bailed on them to save time. Soapies just aren't for me. Too routine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867942]This will probably come back to bite me in the ass but fuck it. I don't know who here goes to 808. But in February I met a fine ass midget from Poland who is in there every night. [/QUOTE]Well she won't be in there every night any more. I'm curious now since I like Polish girls.

I just arrived and will report after some action. Meanwhile a question.

I see several massage places just walking around. What are typical times that guys spend in there, and how much for CFS?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867942]This will probably come back to bite me in the ass but fuck it. I don't know who here goes to 808. But in February I met a fine ass midget from Poland who is in there every night. We exchanged numbers but I never followed up. I finally spoke to her today. None of all that other bullshit that you guys say you need to talk about or buying drinks. Straight to the point. These are the only words that I have spoken to her since I stopped her to get her number that night when she was going to the WC. And it is the price that I have always posted in this forum. (Unless she is giving me half off because of her size. LOL.).[/QUOTE]Went to Mixx on the 18th. People entering were drenched because of the water play happening outside. Met a Thai girl and found her to be shy. She had come with Friend and did not speak much English. Well went with her because she looked good. Fixed for LT at 1230 in the night for 1.5. Though it would be a good deal and I would get at least 3 pop. But man I was wrong. In the room she became very very chatty. And was taking offense to any of my attempts to Hasten things. Was in not in any mood to make scene so just played along. Talked for 2 hours in room over beer. Finally asked her to get her ass in shower for the deed.

The sex was great. She was shy and all 'dim the lights please' but the sex was good. 30 min after all it started I came. And that was it. She slept and woke up in the morning. Asked me if I wanted another pop. But I did not like her attitude much so politely refused citing tiredness.

All in all 1 pop- 1.5 k- free accommodation for her.

Sex: 8/10.

I am at Pattaya now most tourist is gone most bar is empty last night, I got in town last night of Sonkran it take 4 HR by bus from Morchit in Bangkok bus stop for gas got to the bus station the motobike taxi want 150 bht to soi 8 taxi even more no bht bus beach Road is closed for traffic, so many crazy tourist shooting water at everyone.

I did go to soi 6 only half the bar is open find a cutie at route69 bar 1000 bht with room upstair most girl want 1350 bht with room, not many girl at beach Road even Hooter not very busy at 9 pm will check out walking st tonight.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=SuperMarckus;1867699]I love the way that Pattaya One, despite being in the dirtiest fleshpot on earth, always maintains the sensibilities of a parish newspaper in Victorian England. Are Thais really 'shocked' and 'appalled' by the behavior of farangs, as Pattaya One keeps telling us? I suppose it's not much of a story to say "Thais were quietly contemptuous but largely indifferent, and soon went back to minding their own business."[/QUOTE]PattayaOne is an addictive reading. About Victorian English, I find that their is still second to Indian newspapers and blogs. They come out with "new" words everyday.

I arrived at BKK, went to the Bell ticket counter and bought one-way transfer for 250 baht -- they first drive the (nice, AC) bus to the Pattaya bus station where everyone gets off; then they have vans that take people to their hotels, included in the price.

I stay at Premier Inn, a block and a half from Beach Road. Most nights its 30-35 dollars, except one Hi-demand night, which I booked late for 48 dollars. You can bring a guest to your room at no extra fee, but she has to leave her ID at the front desk, which she gets back when she leaves.

I walked around early afternoon. Hot. No obvious talent walking about. At 1:30 I stopped by one of the many massage places an looked inside. A cute girl, Tum, came to open. She said they open at 2, but would take me. Prices listed outside looked standard, like 1 hour foot massage for 200 baht. I asked if I could also have sex. She giggled and said sure. I said let's start with a foot massage. She was 29, slim, and chatted well enough in poor English. She gave a very nice oil massage to my feet and calves. At the end I asked if she wanted to go with me ST to my room, five blocks away, for 1000 baht. She said sure without bargaining, but said that I had to pay the massage store 500. I agreed, even though I probably could have had it cheaper, but I liked her enough. Back to my room for about an hour, some snuggling, BJ, CFS, more snuggling. Overall very pleasant.

Greetings gents,

Spent 2 days holed up in my condo because of Songkran and spent the last 2 nights enjoying what Patts is about, Thai babes.

First night worked LK Metro, Champagne Agogo, Sugar Sugar, etc and the action was pretty good. The bar fines are in the 800/900 b range (high) and ST is 2000 b which is a 1000 b less than the BKK gogos. The quality is pretty good and as Fast Eddy said there aren't many mongers competing in LK Metro on the night I was there.

I took a sexy dancer from Sugar Sugar and enjoyed ST on that night.

Last night was another story, I went to Walking Street and quickly bar fined out of Electric Blue. She wasn't a looker but she had the killer tits I was needing and thought I would get good service instead of eye candy. We started bar hopping, first was Baby Dolls, I love the vibe here but the talent level is low at this time. Then Sensations, this bar was wall to wall quality w / several stunner (mostly working the Asian monger) so if you like eye candy this is the place right now. Next my lady wanted to go to The Dollhouse (she has friends there) some decent lookers mixed in w / mid tier women. Electric Blue and Happy Agogo had less eye candy than on my last visit October 2015.

In many of these bar my date (hooker) has friends so little by little I was bled of my baht. Finally at 2 am she's hungry but instead of sitting at a restaurant we go to a bustling market place buying all this expensive crap to cook at my condo. As we were doing this I started to realize I am allowing this hooker to wreck my fun. The 3 am dinner was crap and I was too tired and drunk to want anything to do w / this chick.

Her bar fine was 800 and 3000 b LT, I got a tits fuck at 6:41 am before my time was up. Not a well executed night on my part.

That's my TR for the last couple of nights in Patts. LK Metro is much more user friendly than WS. That's where I'll be tonight.

Cheers.

I stay at midrange hotel, Premier Inn, in Central Pattaya, with a pool on the top floor.

Today, I saw several attractive Asians -- can't tell if they are local or tourists. One definitely looked like she was dressed for more than the pool.

Is it common that FLs hang out like this? I don't want to be the bumbling rude westerner and proposition the wrong person. (I suppose I can simply chat in a friendly way and feel them out.) But: how common is it with girls looking for clients at hotels like this?

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (April 19,2016).

I made the mistake of booking my LOS / Pattaya arrival on the last day of Songkran in Pattaya. I had looked up the dates of the water festival in advance, with my source telling me it would be over serval days in advance of my trip. I had a narrow time window, and arriving on a Tuesday worked out great, especially thinking Songkran would have ended a few days previously. Well, I found out a week or so before the trip that Pattaya has a major Songkran celebration on my arrival day. Great. I think the celebration is neat and had wanted to attend one at some point in my life, but not at _this_ point! I brought up the issue here, being told by others that Pattaya would be literally jammed during the day and near impossible to get down here from BKK in a reasonable amount of time. Some said I should stay in Bangkok and come down Wednesday. Some said get a hotel to the north of Pattaya and come down either late in the night or next day. Some said wait to leave the airport until 7 or 8 PM and the traffic would ease by the time I got here. Sigh. What to do?

OK. The next 5 paragraphs will be about my travel to finally get to my hotel. It has nothing to do with mongering, so feel free to skip down 5 or 6 paragraphs if you wish to avoid my toils and tribulations.

Well, the flight into BKK from LA went great. Got to love EVA Airline's Elite class. Great service, hot stewardesses and after 3 trips over and back, always on time. But now that I was at the airport, what do I do? In advance of my departure, I had contacted the hotel about how best to get there on this holiday, and they said the traffic would start clearing after 7 or 8 PM, and they could send me a taxi to arrive around that time. Unfortunately, I was unable to respond in time to secure the taxi reservation, and my emails to the hotel were not returned. Also, prior to departure, I emailed Tans Taxi upon recommendation of another member, and I tried again after my arrival, but never heard from them. I tried another taxi and I got a response, but it went to my junk folder and I never saw it until today.

I felt the safest course of action would be to stay at the airport until evening, then secure either a bus or taxi to Pattaya, with the intention of arriving around 8 PM. This meant about 6 to 7 hours of holing up at the airport or a nearby short term hotel. I felt waiting at the airport gave me more options than if I got stuck in traffic 10 miles outside Pattaya in a bus or, worse, a taxi with no bathroom!

I wanted to take a Bell bus, but it was too late to book online, and they have no ticket counter at the airport. I did go to the bus counter where you can book buses on the lower level and they sold tickets to the north and south Pattaya bus stations. They recommend the south station, which was closer to Soi 13 than the north station. If was cheaper, which I didn't care about, but why it was cheaper proved to be something I IDID care about!

So I booked on the blue bus (can't remember their name) and the realization I made a poor choice became now soon enough and over the course of the trip. It was older than any Bell bus I have ridden on, and the engine was surging and did not appear to be very powerful, with lousy suspension. It was also dirty on the outside (more about that later). Anyway, I boarded a bit before 6 PM, very tired as I had not slept much at all in the last 40 hours. The seats were not comfortable and my buns were in pain after a while. The traffic going down wasn't bad, until it suddenly got very bad. The bus stopped several times right off the highway, letting people off, then we turned into the city (no idea where, other that it was somewhere in Pattaya) and traffic was jammed, and then I understood why the bus was dirty it was Songkran! I will spare you the rest of the details, but it was after 9 PM until we finally go to the bus station. Part of the delay was the traffic, but a lot of it was stopping to let people get off at other places, and the time needed to get turned around and get back on track. I was not a happy camper about all the stops. I figured it would be a straight shot to the south bus station, and it was anything but. No wonder the fare was cheaper. Argh. I should have taken the taxi. How many times I have taken the cheap transportation and been upset for not taking a taxi? Well, safety has costs associated with it, so better to regret not taking a taxi than to end up trapped in a taxi after a crash with a big bus.

Finally arriving at the station, I found a baht bus driver who would take me to my hotel for 400 baht. I tried to get him lower, but I was hostage. Heck, riding in, winding up and down the streets, I said if there was no taxi service at the station, I would offer 500 to some random person to take me! Anyway, the bad thing of traveling in a baht bus is that you are exposed to the elements of the festivities (not to mention they are not exactly safe), which means you will, and I did, get wet. I had joked earlier that I would not mind celebrating Songkran for a few minutes, and that I certainly did. The main thing is I finally was at my hotel. It was around 9:30 PM I think, 10 hours after landing in BKK, and 3-1/2 hours after leaving the airport. I probably could have gotten there much earlier in a taxi, if a taxi would have taken me. Whatever, I was safe in Pattaya and in time for WS.

Safe in my hotel room, I cleaned up, got out of my wet clothes, and headed to WS, arriving at about 10 PM. First thing I noticed was that there were no throngs of busses filled with Chinese tourists! Yea! With the jammed roads, the big tour busses would be unable to get through. Maybe the jammed traffic was a bonus of sorts if it kept out tourists who go to WS simply to look around. Anyway, instead of Chinese tourists the place was full of kids engaged in water fights. The older people were not widely targeted, so I only got wet and not soaked, but the girls were highly targeted and got totally drenched. But it was fun, and I was happy to get to experience a small part of Songkran, despite the 9 hours of lost time. I also noticed a lot of clubs were closed, specifically Skyfall. Not sure if that was because some clubs had shut down or down or if they simply closed due to Songkran. There were people in the gogo clubs, but perhaps they were less crowded than normal?

I walked around for a long time, trying to check out any decent free lancers, and figure out what clubs I might try. There were maybe 2 FLs I was eying, but none quite met by criteria. I went into a few clubs and was not impressed. It was after 1 AM so I needed to make a decision, so I went into Crazy Horse and their lineup was decent. They had a really nice looking girl, thin with bolt ONS, dancing naked, but I was not sure if she was available, plus she seemed to go sit with some dude when she wasn't on stage. But she sure did have an awesome body. Many of the girls were a few pounds overweight, and many with an otherwise good figure had saggy boobs. I did see a really cute girl with a near perfect body and firm, natural bools, #31. She looked very young and I wondered butt seemed a bit aloof from it all, so I wonder if she would be a good performer. Was she new at this?

I finally caught her eye and got her to come over to sit down next to me. Her name was them. Very cute, with soft light skin unblemished by tats or moles, light skin, shoulder length brown hair that was a bit on the thin side, and with braces. She looked even younger up close. I would be surprised if she was over 21. Her English was poor, but before I bought her a drink I confirmed that she was available. After she found out I was interested in her, she moved over very close to me and I put an arm around her. This report is getting long, so I will speed things up and say she was happy to do long term for 3000 to her and 1000 BF. I asked how long was long term. She had no answer, saying to ask the mamasan. She went back on stage and I called the mamasan over. I asked about long term, and she said it was until morning. I said it was already morning. Them then came over, and the mamasan finally told them to stay with me all day. For some reason, the manason took a liking to me and was very funny. Them agreed to the mamasan's instruction, though I said to myself that staying until noon would be plenty long. Anyway, them was happy with the arrangement and she went back to change.

She came out in a short little dress showing her curves but without being overly sexy, and we headed off, her grabbing my hand as if she was really happy to be with me. I am probably 40 years older than her and found that I was bite self-conscious about it. Them is very petite and looks so young. Heck, when she came over in her normal shoes, I don't think she was more than 5' tall. We stopped at the 7-11 for some food to bring back, walked around the corner to 2nd road, hopped on a baht bus, and headed back to my hotel.

Back in my room we sat down and ate. We then got ready for a shower, and then she started to show me that she was not exactly shy. We did an intimate stripping of the other's clothes, then we washed each other in the shower. In bed, it was very GFE. No rushing at all. Lots of kissing, touching, exploring, etc. The BBBJ was skillfully done and she seemed to enjoy it. She didn't just spend a few seconds at she, she went on for minutes, changing positions and looking at me at times. One of the best yet, and for such a young girl, surprising. I wondered if she would have done CIM? It came time for the cover and she slipped it one then slipped herself onto me in the cowboy position. She rode me well, was moaning, we kissed, fondled, and we changed positions several times until I unloaded deep within her. We were both spent, then we cleaned up and she came back to bed, intimately lying in contact with me in the spoon position, her drawing my hand over to hold her breast. I have only had a couple of working girls spend the night with me, and none were quite like this. She was totally like a GF.

I was exhausted, being so long without sleep, so I really don't think it took me more than a minute or two to fall asleep. Sleep was deep and when I awoke, she was still lying next to me, close in contact. I had given her a light massage the night before, and she wanted me to continue longer but I said I was too tired and I would do it in the morning. I kept my word and gave her a back rub, then when I was done, she flipped me over on my back and gave me a nice massage as well. She coughed a few times and I got her some water, but after a bit her coughing got worse. Her face was turning red! As said, her English was poor and we were having trouble communicating, but she had a translator ap for her phone, which sort of worked. She said she had been sick but got better, but she needed some kind medicine and food. Poor girl was really hacking now. She tried to tell me on her phone that she wanted to see me again, and she was really apologetic about her coughing and needing to leave. I have no doubt that this was sincere. I really did not want her to stay too long, but I was hoping for a second go. It was ok, though, and I paid her and let her leave.

So I had a very nice time with them. It was a great welcome back to Pattaya! I don't think I will go back to see her again, though. Very good performance and she was super tight and stayed wet the whole time, but for some reason she looked so young that I was too self- conscience of my being so old with her! Haha She did not seem to mind the age difference at all, given the way she willingly took my hand and how she cuddled up next to me in bed, especially in the morning. She is certainly recommended.

She departed, after slowly getting dressed and expressing more regrets and a final invitation to see her again. Holding back coughs, she gave a long hug and kiss then left. This concludes my Day 1 report. Later this afternoon, I hope to venture down to Soi 6 for some cheaper action. If that fails, I may try a body massage place on Soi 3. Tonight, I will look for BR FL girls and venture to WS again.

Thanks FL. Always entertaining reading your reports, hobby related or not.

Never been to Pattaya. In Bangkok it's not easy to find hotels here you can bring 2 girls same time to your room. How does it look in Pattaya? Will be there in some weeks, if somebody can advice about good looking hotel accepting 2 girls, will be happy to follow-up!

Brought 4 gogo girls to my room at View Talay 6. No questions asked.

[QUOTE=PaulPassem;1869091]I stay at midrange hotel, Premier Inn, in Central Pattaya, with a pool on the top floor.

Today, I saw several attractive Asians -- can't tell if they are local or tourists. One definitely looked like she was dressed for more than the pool.

Is it common that FLs hang out like this? I don't want to be the bumbling rude westerner and proposition the wrong person. (I suppose I can simply chat in a friendly way and feel them out.) But: how common is it with girls looking for clients at hotels like this?[/QUOTE]Tho rare I have seen this before at the Nana Hotel in Bangkok. If they were FL's (and not civilians) maybe they were doing LT's and hanging out while their dudes were doing something else. Or they were guests of someone who had a room. Or knew someone at the hotel who let them use the pool. Or worked at the hotel and were taking a break. Or chipped in for the room themselves.

One time at the NH there was a pretty fine African lady with a very hard body who arrived at the pool by herself. Hard to miss as she was dressed to impress but still a bit of a puzzle. Not really my speed so I did not pursue the opportunity; but she was approached rather quickly by one of the other layabouts, and was with the same guy the next day.

I donno but if you want to gage interest try the line [I][B]where you go later, I go with you[/B][/I] after you chat them up a little. That is the phrasing FL's frequently use on punters to express availability.

SL.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1869308]Never been to Pattaya. In Bangkok it's not easy to find hotels here you can bring 2 girls same time to your room. How does it look in Pattaya? Will be there in some weeks, if somebody can advice about good looking hotel accepting 2 girls, will be happy to follow-up![/QUOTE]Many hotels ask a guest fee if you take 2 girls for a threesome. If you want to be sure, rent an apartment in condo or stay in a guesthouse and bring back how many guest you want.
In BKK Salil Hotel in soi11, let you take 2 guest back at same time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1869309]Brought 4 gogo girls to my room at View Talay 6. No questions asked.[/QUOTE]Awesome! You are very enterprising! I knew there was a reason why I am renting from Dancewatchers!

Do you have a name for your go go in VT 6 ? Will be staying there soon. And would like to try your go go on premises. I believe some of them have mood lights and other lighting effects. So, it should be spot on! What will be your bar fine for VT 6 residents? 👻.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1869309]Brought 4 gogo girls to my room at View Talay 6. No questions asked.[/QUOTE]VT-6, isn't a Hotel it is consider a Condo a private residents.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1869465]VT-6, isn't a Hotel it is consider a Condo a private residents.[/QUOTE]There is still security at the elevators who will take the girl's ID if you want. I haven't been to all the other condos in Pattaya but I'm thinking they don't all do that. I had all girl's ID's taken except these 4 gogo girls who I had taken out individually on a previous trip. I consider VT6 a hotel. They are on every hotel booking website.

Haven123 agogo sounds good.

Pattaya Report, Day 2.

After doing some writing, about mid-afternoon I headed down to Soi 6. I did a couple of passes and while there were some nice girls, no one stood out. There was one girl I finally decided I would go back to meet, but she was gone, so I decided to hit a body rub place. At the moment I forget the name, but it is the big one on the corner of 2nd road and Soi 3. Inside were maybe 20 girls in the "fish tank". Again, no one really stood out. Most the girls had a few extra pounds, and several in the higher priced area were too busy staring at their cell phones to look up, or to even stand up, to give an indication as to their bodies. Several girls in the cheap section were smiling and waving though. I kind of narrowed it down to between two of the lower priced girls (3400 for the higher tier and 3000 for the lower tier). One had a slightly better face, but the other had bigger boobs. I thought the boobs on the better faced girl were good enough though, and I chose her. I later found out that they were not so big after all.

Anyway, I chose #37, whose name is May. I won't go into too much detail. She was nice and friendly and did a decent job, but was fairly mechanical. No BJ at all and the sex was nothing more than average. I had issues even getting hard with her, but she accepted the challenge and got me there, though I didn't come close to finishing successfully with her. That is ok as I can barely release once a day as is, and I would much rather release with a young, cute girl (like them) later tonight than with May now. I don't mean to downplay May. She just seemed to be a typical body massage girl giving a average job.

After that I went back to the hotel to rest. It was around 6 PM. I dosed for about an hour, then decided to rest some more, falling asleep until 9:30. I really wanted to continue sleeping, still being quite jet lagged, but I knew I needed to get out of bed and get to staying up later.

But, before leaving my hotel, I went down and checked into my second room. This requires some explaining and, since it is a rant and not mongering related, you can skip this paragraph. I had booked my reservations over 2 months ago, and mistakenly booked my airline arrive for Tuesday morning, but I booked my hotel for a Wednesday area. And this error rippled down through my other reservations, knocking everything off by a day. I successfully changed my other reservations, but with this one, the Agoda site would not allow me to change both the arrival and departure dates, so I cancelled it and rebooked. Well, Agoda never registered the cancellation, and I didn't notice that it was not cancelled, and it was not until 6 days before arrival that I noticed the error. If you cancel less than 7 days prior to your arrival, you lose the whole booking amount, so it was now too late the cancel the reservation and I was out the money I paid. I contacted Agoda to explain the situation, who called Sandy Spring to ask them to authorize a refund, but they refused. Bummer. My plans have been to come back to Pattaya for 5 nights after I go to Bangkok and Phuket from here. I had booked the final 5 nights with Sandy Springs, also through Agoda. Due to SS's refusal to issue a refund, which is their right, I exercised my rights to cancel that second booking, and I rebooked with a different hotel. I will most likely continue to exercise my right to never book with SS again. They can keep their 7 days, but they have now lost 5 days as a result, and likely weeks more in the future. They can certainly say they are following the procedures I agreed to follow, but when a returning customer makes a mistake you should work with them. And keeping the entire 7 day amount, when I only missed the day that I could cancel without penalty by one day?! Ugh. Not cool, not cool. Anyway, the end of my rant, but I was not about to let them book that room that I paid for to someone else! Maybe I will use to take girls to, where I won't have to worry so much about them stealing my stuff! Haha.

OK, back to the story. I head down to WS. There are many more FL girls out but I pass them by. I continue walking up and down for a while, but at around 10:00, or maybe it was 10:30, I decide to step into I-Bar (the one of the bottom level). It was not too busy. I walk all the way to the back then walk back out, not really feeling it. But as I am about to exit, there is a cute girl sitting at the second table back from the exit who looks at me. I give a quick smile and she smiles back, so I stop dead in my tracks and return to her to say Hello,. She is willing to talk and I sit down next to her and we start chatting (or trying to chat, as it is very loud in there). She works for a hotel, many hours a day, and says she goes to I-Bar occasionally, ultimately admitting she likes to do short time at a quickie motel nearby. I buy her a few beers, and she gets me to imbibe a bit (I rarely drink), but I think what the heck? I am with an attractive young lady and this is effectively a hookup, so why not unwind a bit. Eventually she says she is getting horny and I ask how much. She asks me to tell her. I shrug and say 1500. She grimaces but says ok. Another drink (me, I am back to soda water and lime), and we head out to the quickie place.

Her name was Pam. Probably mid 20's, a fair number of tats she said her brother did, and which were a tad disturbing. Skulls and 666! Her smile was infectious. Wow. Nice legs, slender body with just a pound or two extra and, later I found, dark areolas on a slightly sagging bee cup. The upper gums of her teeth were darker than the rest. Not a beauty, but that pretty girl next door who excites you.

The quickie room was ok. It had a cheap shower, but the room we were given faced one of the gogos there in the back and was loud. We showed individually (often a bad sign) and then laid down on the bed. Yep, she got started with things a little too fast. I am old and need some time to warm up if I am not on V or see, so it took a while. She was patient I suppose, but was looking for a real quickie while I was hoping for more of a GFE. It wasn't. Nice body and tight inside, but I got no sense that she was actually horny at all. I couldn't get off with her and soon gave up. It just didn't work sexually with her. Maybe she needed a young stud who would take her hard and fast, I don't know. Or she just wanted to get the money. I don't know.

We dressed and she asked for one more drink at I-bar. Sure. She was still a nice girl. The place was hopping now and we plowed our way to the back. I ended up getting her several more drinks back there, and she was warming up to the music and, I suppose the alcohol. I said I should probably head out, and we plowed our way back to the front, and she said one more drink. Sigh. Fine. We continued some talking (oh, her English was decent, but the music was so loud it was still hard to talk) and moving to the music. After 2 more drinks (sheesh) I said I had to go. She wanted to see me the next day (well, yeah, she had a good 10 beers off of me and several shots! And that she would be sitting up front. I said sure, remembering that she had said she only went there a few times a month.

So, 1500 baht for her services, plus I was dumb and gave her a 200 tip, then when I left she asked for 200 more, plus all the drinks. I was being too nice and she kind of took advantage of it. I think I would have been better off going to a high priced gogo! Haha. Actually, I really don't mind it too much. This was my first disco pick up ever, and I had fun, and I actually opened up just a tad, so I am not dwelling on the money. The pickup also gives me confidence to try a disco again, so the money may well be worth it. I may or may not see her again, though I don't plan on being her vending machine to such a great extent, and I may decline the quickie hotel unless I get a sense she is actually warming up to me. She had joked at the beginning she had gotten girls for guys before. Maybe, if I see her, I will mention that to her and see what she does!

So, that concludes Day 2. Not too bad. I got a nice body slide with May for 3000 baht with a 300 tip, and got my first Disco FL girl for 1500, but with a 200 tip, 200 more for something, and who knows how many drinks. But she was fun, super cute, nothing close to a GFE in bed, but a good partner none the less. Time will tell if I see her again. What will I do tomorrow? Who knows? Probably go back to Soi 6 in the afternoon, then WS that night. Maybe I will venture to the Peppermint, which I have been deliberately avoid thus far. I have a strange thing for a girl who works there, and which is the stuff of legends within the place.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1869467]There is still security at the elevators who will take the girl's ID if you want. I haven't been to all the other condos in Pattaya but I'm thinking they don't all do that. I had all girl's ID's taken except these 4 gogo girls who I had taken out individually on a previous trip. I consider VT6 a hotel. They are on every hotel booking website.

Haven123 agogo sounds good.[/QUOTE]

All Condo that I have been too all have a type of security whether they decide to plant a person in the front or use exclusively a card / video type security. The larger one's like VT-6 have many absent owners and uses a in-house service management to rent their units out while they are gone or for their investment purposes which gives the impression of a hotel feel which is what one gets at VT-6. Nevertheless regardless of what hotel feel you get the rules of hotel end at the door. For the safety of the rest of the Condo owners, guest and based on location good they provided security to take I.D The. But the Condo by-laws are still as a Condo as ownership! Therefore can't tell you to limit or charge you for your guest. So as a Condo owner want to invite 5 people to my place it is my right to do so unless my guest have violated the rules and disturb the peace of others. Hotel, they are the sole owner they set the rules and if setting the rules means they charge you so be it. Although you are renting and they advertise on Hotel website you basically obtain the same rights as the owner unless VT-6 Rules state it otherwise. Right now many Thai owners/Farangs are turning to Airbnd even in Thailand and renting their places out like Hotel it doesn't mean it is a Hotel. !

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1869156]
I wanted to take a Bell bus, but it was too late to book online, and they have no ticket counter at the airport. [/QUOTE]Bell has a ticket counter at level 1, next to gate number 8.

Personally I don't get it that you really had to go to Pattaya that very same day. Was it worth all the trouble? I never travel to Pattaya anymore right after a long and exhausting flight.
Even when it's not Songkran the trip from the airport to your hotel can easily take 2,5 to 3 hours or even more and that is just too much IMO. But to each his own of course.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1869536]All Condo that I have been too all have a type of security whether they decide to plant a person in the front or use exclusively a card / video type security. The larger one's like VT-6 have many absent owners and uses a in-house service management to rent their units out while they are gone or for their investment purposes which gives the impression of a hotel feel which is what one gets at VT-6. Nevertheless regardless of what hotel feel you get the rules of hotel end at the door. For the safety of the rest of the Condo owners, guest and based on location good they provided security to take I.D The. But the Condo by-laws are still as a Condo as ownership! Therefore can't tell you to limit or charge you for your guest. So as a Condo owner want to invite 5 people to my place it is my right to do so unless my guest have violated the rules and disturb the peace of others. Hotel, they are the sole owner they set the rules and if setting the rules means they charge you so be it. Although you are renting and they advertise on Hotel website you basically obtain the same rights as the owner unless VT-6 Rules state it otherwise. Right now many Thai owners/Farangs are turning to Airbnd even in Thailand and renting their places out like Hotel it doesn't mean it is a Hotel. ![/QUOTE]I have been to Sao Paulo in a "appartment hotel" and could'nt see the difference with a real hotel, except that I had a small kitchen. There was a reception, hosue keeping, breakfast, all as in a normal hotel. How is it at VT-6 ?

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1869671]I have been to Sao Paulo in a "appartment hotel" and could'nt see the difference with a real hotel, except that I had a small kitchen. There was a reception, hosue keeping, breakfast, all as in a normal hotel. How is it at VT-6 ?[/QUOTE]I was there a few years ago to research the place since a friend of mines wanted to buy a unit for investment or rent. I believe this question is better asked to the BM, Banana Boi, since it seems he has stay there or post again on the Pattaya Hotel Thread if you do not get your answer. I believe also Banana Boi mentioned there might be a Website so Google.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1869671]I have been to Sao Paulo in a "appartment hotel" and could'nt see the difference with a real hotel, except that I had a small kitchen. There was a reception, hosue keeping, breakfast, all as in a normal hotel. How is it at VT-6 ?[/QUOTE]An apartment hotel is an apartment building where every room is owned by one entity, and is generally rented out for longer stays than hotels. As you mentioned, they have a small kitchen that is handy for guests that stay longer than a few days, and don't like having to go out for all of their meals. But since there is one owner for all of the units, he sets the rules for the whole building, and must offer most of the same amenities as a traditional hotel.

VT-6 is a condominium where each individual unit is sold to different folks who rent their units out when they are not using them. It's easiest to think of a condominium as a bunch of individual private homes stacked next to one another and on top of one another. And just like your own home there is no front desk, no reception, no maid service, and no rules to dictate how many girls you can bring home at once. But the owners of these condos realize that in order to rent out their homes they need to offer some of these services to be competitive with hotels and apartment hotels, so many do offer maid service, some minimal security, and sometimes even a restaurant in the building.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1869616]Bell has a ticket counter at level 1, next to gate number 8.

Personally I don't get it that you really had to go to Pattaya that very same day. Was it worth all the trouble? I never travel to Pattaya anymore right after a long and exhausting flight.
Even when it's not Songkran the trip from the airport to your hotel can easily take 2,5 to 3 hours or even more and that is just too much IMO. But to each his own of course.[/QUOTE]Yeah, for this one time, it was worth the trouble. 9 or 10 lost hours in life is irrelevant. And what would I have been doing during that time if I had stayed in Bangkok? I would not have minded visiting Soi Cowboy, but it would taken several hours for that, plus the time simply learning the system there, then the time to get back, so it seemed the most logical thing to do was wait it out. Experiencing a part of Songkran was fun, so over all, yes it was worth it, but I certainly understand your point!

The only sign for Bell I saw there at the lower level where you exit to board the busses (may have been 8), was a posting of their phone number. Maybe they sell tickets at the counter there, but there was nothing to indicate that. I was in the line selling tickets to the N Pattaya station, so that very well could have been for Bell, but it was the lady here who suggested I instead take the bus to S Pattaya, and I slid over to puchase my ticket from that guy. No idea if that was a good decision overall or not.

Pattaya Report, Day 3.

It is now Thursday. I start my mongering day going back to Soi 6. I need to state that I had intended to take a K tablet (Kamangra, easily available in the pharmacies and on the streets) to help me get / stay functional, but had forgotten too. As I was turning onto Soi 6 after getting of the baht bus, I realized this, and headed south on 2nd road to a nearby pharmacy. I inquired about both K and a see-substitute, and the guy recommended Apcalis-sx20,4 tablets for 600 baht. Fair or expensive I do not know, but I bought a box, then stepped into the nearby 7-11 for a 7 baht bottle of water to take a full tablet to see how it did. Turns out, it did great!

Things were looking a little better on Soi 6 today a little and I settled on a girl named Tong. I won't say too much since I didn't note the name of the bar and if I don't tell you where she is, you can't find her and the report is therefore useless. But, it was in one of the bars on the north east part. She was fairly attractive. A little older (early 30's?) and she had more of a woman's body, with more womanly curves that the sweet young spinners. I kind of liked that.

Action with Tong started out with kissing and touching, then lots of oral on me while I played at the why with my fingers. She got very wet and really reactive to my playing. I tried a new condom this time. I normally use the Sagami original. 1, which I like, but being made of a plastic, they don't stretch too much. For the trip, I also bought the Pasante Uniquie, also ultra-thin supposedly, it being unique because it is packaged in a special way so that it slides on instead of having to be rolled on. I also bought the Aoni 001 latex ultrathin, which I was interested to try being that latex is more stretchable. With May, I had tried the Pasante, and it was a disaster. It may be ok for large dudes, but I am average and, while it stayed on, it was just too strange and did not feel good at all. The process of making it so that it can slide on puts lots of creases and wrinkles, which are supposed to smooth out, but did for me. May did not like it either. So with Tong I tried the Aoni. It went on nice and she loved the feeling. Anyway, while she started off wet, she started drying out. She had a bottle of lube and when I did a position change I expected her to get it out, but she pulled me inside and, yikes, it broke! It was a little surprising, but I think she had put it on with no spare room at the tip, and I just punctured it though when she got so dry. In removing it, it showed how strong it really is. I tried pulling it off and it took a lot of force to break! I put on another one and she got lubed up, and with her totally lubricated it felt relatively awesome. But alas, I was not really in the mood as I am always thinking about saving my fluids for the super-hot gogo girl I hope to get that night. (Unlike many of you, I can't do it multiple times a day, and even once a day every day, with condoms, is almost impossible for me.) But, she got me close so she did good. It does seem like every Soi 6 girls I fail to finish wish takes it personally, and continues to try. She insisted on some oral and some manual, but I had to stop her and you lose all sense of feeling after a while and starts to hurt. I tipped her 200 to show her I was not disappointed with her, and I wasn't. She gave a nice time, but nothing stellar.

But, leaving her behind, I continued to walk west and there was cute spinner at Halifax bar, close to the northwest end, and I decided to go to her. I went inside with her and she was very attentive, feeling me up and bringing junior out in the light to feel and look at, along with kissing and touching. The see was in full effect by this time and I was at full attention. How could I decline? As with Tong, she was 1000, but the bar fine was 300. I am seeing the same prices this year as a year ago, so rumors of price increases on Soi 6 are false.

Upstairs, we did an intimate undressing of each other and she washed me up good. The sex was awesome essentially the GFE. Deep kissing, licking all over down there, energetic and all the positions I wanted. She was really in to it. She was soaking wet and she stayed wet. The Aloni's were working well and I decided to forget about late night gogo girs, as this girl had me feeling fine, so I decided to erupt inside her.

Oh, her name? Jiem. Very petite (she was wearing very high heeled shoes and when she took them off, she turned out to be at just the right height to suck my nipples). She had a bit of an Indian look to her, but she is an Issan girl. Unfortunately, she was clearly a mother, with pronounced ripples in the stomach, and small, slightly worn breasts. That was not a distraction given her performance, so I can still give her a recommendation. Not a beautiful girl, but a pretty enough spinner none the less.

Back to the hotel for a nap. I finally head off for WS at around 9 PM, maybe later. Bad news. The Chinese tourists were back. The clogging busses and masses of people with little kids and babies were back. Sigh. But I head down WS until I reach I-Bar, cautiously approaching to see if Pam was there, but didn't see her. I didn't really want to see her, but thought if she wasn't there I might step in later. I next got up the courage to go to the Peppermint. This place has become sort of a favorite, due to my lusting of Fon, #8, who it seems takes a tremendous effort to book as she is so popular. I could write pages about this, and I did write quite a few in past trip reports from 12 and 6 months ago, but I will spare myself the embarrassment this time and largely ignore my emotional aspects from this visit.

Anyway, I enter the Peppermint and am led inside and there is free seat right at the dancing table and a feee table against the wall for 2. The guy seats me at the dancing table. Ugh, I don't like that. But as soon as I sit down, a girl with blondish hair is at my side, smiling. Who is this? Does she remember me as the guy from 6 months ago who hands out the LDs? Oh, it is Wham, the chunky girl who loves to hang with me for all the free stuff. She is my constant companion each time I visit. Nice girl, I booked her as a charity case last November, but she is in over her head at Peppermint. She had bleached her hair so I didn't not recognize her at first. She immediately recognized me and was excited to see me. Of course, I am the guy who hands out LDs! She tells the guy to sit me at the table and to go tell Luk I am there. Luk, the mamason, comes out, gives a hug, and quickly calls over Fon, who I must have walked by but didn't recognize. But yes, my quest for Fon there is legendary, as I have tried so often to book her and only managed to do so once in all of my attempts since last year. Fon comes over but I barely recognize her at first. I could have sworn her boobs were bigger and that she was a bit thinner, but it was her. A year of being a bar girl can take a toll, but the toll was small and she was still beautiful. Luk briefly reminded her of my attempts with her and she laughed and seemed flattered, though I don't think she remembers a thing, and why would she? She sat down, I bought LDs for her, Luk, Wham and another girl who came over, remembering me as the guy who buys LDs. But Fon leaves to go back talking to a dude she had been with, and doesn't come back until a little while later to down her shot, then soon goes back to him. Luk has a small sign that lists the prices which she lays down in front of me. It is simple. Their BF is 1000, ST is 3000 and LT is 5000. Sheesh, expensive, but it is what it was last year. Some of their girls might be worth that, but many are not. But since Fon has not yet been taken, I am free to have her if I want.

I hesitate about Fon, but she has a pull on my heart so I agreed. I say ST, but then say I will do whatever she wants to do. Luk calls her over and she says she will do whatever I want to do. We decide to figure it out later the BF is the same either way. Final damage for drinks and the BF was 2050. It could have been worse! Fon goes to change and comes back in a tight black top and short pants with orange runners. Her hair is fairly short now and blondish. Her skin is very white, and she had red lipstick. She did not seem bummed to be going out with me, taking my hand to leave and head to Soi 13. We grabbed a baht bus around the corner on 2nd street and headed off. As we got off the bus we passed the massage place there on the corner. I mentioned we had a massage there last year. She made an indication that perhaps she wanted another one, on maybe she thought I wanted one, but whatever we in. An hour later we come out and finally enter the hotel.

Things start out like they did before, one year ago, on our first booking. She says for me to take a shower first, and she turns on the TV. When I am done, she showers, locking the door. I am not getting a good feeling yet again. She comes out draped in a towel and self-consciously slips into bed. After a year of hooking, you think she would be less self-conscious. Ok. I slide in next to her, bu she keeps her hands to herself. Not looking good. She has been texting on her phone and watching TV while I twiddle my thumbs when she gets a message that she reacts to. Is something wrong? Yes. What, is someone hurt? No, her friend, who is also one of her two roommates and who works at the Peppermint doesn't have her room key. Huh? Yes, all three of them share one key, and Fon has it, even though she is the one out on a "date" which might be LT! Well, the texts go back and forth with maybe a minute or two in between messages, and she is reacting in a funny way and is concerned and trying to figure things out, but doesn't know what to do. I, sensing bad things if she is under stress, tells her she can leave. She doesn't know. The apartment is way south. I think she needs someone to tell her want to do. She is getting animated (not angry at all, just comically reacting to the situation) and gets up and moves around. To my delight, the towel eventually falls, revealing her nice body, and her shyness is gone as they makes no attempt to cover herself. As some of this is going on, we talk in between the messages, while I am trying to get a sense of whether she remain a starfish or might she open up. She reveals she has a kid. Huh? There are no stretch marks on her stomach, how can she have a kid? But she has a 3 why / o and she shows me the picture. Wow. She says she has put on a little weight in the last year, and complains about the LDs. She says they have alcohol which she really doesn't like, but they make the girls drink them and promote them. She said she gets unwillingly drunk from them and was even then suffering a headache. And of course, alcohol is high in calories. She is so popular she does not get in a lot of dancing to burn of the calories, so she is indeed very slowly adding some millimeters and micrograms. But standing, now naked, in front of me, there is not much to complain about, and I am not a man that likes fat on my women.

Anyway, I am running on here, but due to any lack of touching from her, I figure I will be wasting my money and will have another lackluster performance if she stays. I could simply jump her quickie-style so get the deed done so she could leave, but I don't want that, not for a total expenditure of 4000! I tell her that friends come first, and she slowly comes to agree and she decides to leave. But she wants to come back, and asks when she wants me to have her return. She won't give me a direct answer she wants me to tell her. We finally agree that I will message her the next morning when I wake up, and then we can decide things. We share Line accounts so we can stay in contact, then she leaves. I did not pay her a penny, nor did she ask for anything, so I am only out the BF. And she wants to make things up by rescheduling on her free time, so I can't complain too much. I really don't know what I will do tomorrow. We exchanged a few messages through the night, so she is being sweet about it, but I don't know. Had she at least started the session off touching me, I would be going for it. But since she didn't, I am inclined to believe the session would have, or will be, another dud, so should I even bother? I can get two high performing Soi 6 girls for the price of her short time. Anyway, we will see what happens tomorrow I guess.

So that ends day two. I could have had Fon if I had insisted, but I knew that with her under stress it would have been starfish city. The two 2 Soi 6 girls were very good for a total of around 3000. Not too bad. Tomorrow, things with Fon may get settled. Depending on that, I may or may not head back to Soi 6, then tomorrow night will be Friday night in Pattaya, the playground capital of the world.

Around 20:00 I go for a walk, about 2 km along Beach Road. There must have been 200 freelancers, and I think at least every other one was cute enough for me.

However, my plan was to go to the street Soi 6 where Fast Eddie reported on a nice little place called Route 69. I have to say that I enjoyed walking along Soi 6 more than along Walking Street. There were at least 50 establishments, and outside each were on average 5 girls, all trying to get my attention. Wow. There were also quite a few ladyboys, but it's not my thing, and I just smiled and said no thanks.

I get to Route 69 and outside are six very cute girls. I walk up and ask about beer prices. (Uh.) I go inside the closed door, and it's empty. One cute, Meh from the north of Thailand, walk in with me. I order a beer (75 bath), try to chat. She's cute, but her English is poor. But she is very touchy and even kiss a little, so I like her. After a few minutes, she gets ready to walk outside. I thought she'd ask for a drink, but apparently she expected me to offer one. She likes whiskey with soda, so I order her one (120 baht) -- I enjoy girls who are a little drunk.

Now she drags me over to the couch and we DFK quite a bit. She opens my fly and pull out my now giant erection and plays a lot with it. After about 10 minutes of this, we head upstairs. It's 300 for the house. I also just tell her 1000 for her, and she doesn't bargain. The room is decent, with a shower, where we go in together. We snuggle, DFK, then soon do the deed, and she puts on a really good show.

Afterwards we shower again. She soaps me clean. I give her the promised 1000 and an extra 200, telling her it's because she DFKed so well.

I walk back along Beach Road, now tired out, to my hotel, where I sleep like a baby. A happy baby.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870075]Yeah, for this one time, it was worth the trouble. 9 or 10 lost hours in life is irrelevant. And what would I have been doing during that time if I had stayed in Bangkok? I would not have minded visiting Soi Cowboy, but it would taken several hours for that, plus the time simply learning the system there, then the time to get back, so it seemed the most logical thing to do was wait it out. Experiencing a part of Songkran was fun, so over all, yes it was worth it, but I certainly understand your point!

The only sign for Bell I saw there at the lower level where you exit to board the busses (may have been 8), was a posting of their phone number. Maybe they sell tickets at the counter there, but there was nothing to indicate that. I was in the line selling tickets to the N Pattaya station, so that very well could have been for Bell, but it was the lady here who suggested I instead take the bus to S Pattaya, and I slid over to puchase my ticket from that guy. No idea if that was a good decision overall or not.[/QUOTE]What I meant was that you could have booked a hotel in Bangkok for the first night.

Unless something has changed recently Bell is selling tickets there. I think you were at the counter for the '389 bus' to Pattaya (also known as the government bus) which is next to Bell's counter I believe.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870091]Pattaya Report, Day 3.



So that ends day two. I could have had Fon if I had insisted, but I knew that with her under stress it would have been starfish city. The two 2 Soi 6 girls were very good for a total of around 3000. Not too bad. Tomorrow, things with Fon may get settled. Depending on that, I may or may not head back to Soi 6, then tomorrow night will be Friday night in Pattaya, the playground capital of the world.[/QUOTE]Interesting experience with Fon. My first thought after reading her story about the room mate missing the key is that she was BSing you and trying to do a runner.

But she didn't even ask you to pay her for ST so I am inclined to believe her story is genuine . Which also boggles the mind: 3 girls sharing one key! WTF! That she didn't ask for money at least for ST indicates that she rally found herself in a tight spot.

In any case, I think you played it pretty well. You kept you calm and let her figure things out. I wouldn't be surprised if she gives you a much better time if you meet again.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870091]But Fon leaves to go back talking to a dude she had been with, and doesn't come back until a little while later to down her shot, then soon goes back to him. Luk has a small sign that lists the prices which she lays down in front of me. It is simple. Their BF is 1000, ST is 3000 and LT is 5000. Sheesh, expensive, but it is what it was last year. Some of their girls might be worth that, but many are not. But since Fon has not yet been taken, I am free to have her if I want.

I hesitate about Fon, but she has a pull on my heart so I agreed. I say ST, but then say I will do whatever she wants to do. Luk calls her over and she says she will do whatever I want to do. We decide to figure it out later the BF is the same either way. Final damage for drinks and the BF was 2050. It could have been worse! Fon goes to change and comes back in a tight black top and short pants with orange runners.[/QUOTE]Was Fon still sitting with the other guy when the Mamasan called her over or was she free?

Thanks FL and Paul for both your daily reports.

FL, not sure what time you're hitting soi 6 but I purposely made a couple later visits at 8-9 pm last month and found a better selection of girls. I like Peppermint I think it's a very fun club but other than a handful of nice girls, most aren't great. Can't recall which clubs you have previously visited but the best WS clubs off the top of my head for optics were Sensations, Iron, Airline (Skyfall?), Palace, Sapphire, What's Up, Taboo. I'm sure I'm missing a couple. In case you're bored, check some out. Iron, Sapphire, and Peppermint were the most fun.

[URL]http://nypost.com/2016/04/24/inside-the-thai-sex-scene-where-women-are-sold-like-meat/[/URL]

Do not shoot the messenger just sending the article if you want to read it.

[QUOTE=Revere;1870301][URL]http://nypost.com/2016/04/24/inside-the-thai-sex-scene-where-women-are-sold-like-meat/[/URL]

Do not shoot the messenger just sending the article if you want to read it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Revere I hope that since you posted here you are finally ready to come over and leave DR alone. (Taking off out of DR now as a matter of fact.) That article was pure bullshit. A sign saying age of consent 15? Yes if you are Thai maybe. And if you are a foreigner you will be under the jail. I guess the author has never been to a strip club where he is from where the same shit goes on as in Thailand. And to top that off he says girls for the taking when a lot of people in this thread are claiming they can't get some girls to go with them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1870303]LOL. Revere I hope that since you posted here you are finally ready to come over and leave DR alone. (Taking off out of DR now as a matter of fact.) That article was pure bullshit. A sign saying age of consent 15? Yes if you are Thai maybe. And if you are a foreigner you will be under the jail. I guess the author has never been to a strip club where he is from where the same shit goes on as in Thailand. And to top that off he says girls for the taking when a lot of people in this thread are claiming they can't get some girls to go with them.[/QUOTE]You never know. I will let you know.

[QUOTE=Revere;1870301][URL]http://nypost.com/2016/04/24/inside-the-thai-sex-scene-where-women-are-sold-like-meat/[/URL][/QUOTE]This article is just a list of bullshit and falsehoods.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1870350]This article is just a list of bullshit and falsehoods.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the puritan states of america where myth and shaming are the raw meat that feminists feast on. The sad reality for many of us to endure.

SL.

Personally, I do not see anything wrong with the article, I've read articles like this for over twenty years. Call it what you want like everything it is your opinion. Maybe the wording is not exactly as it put for our liking. It is what it is? Tomorrow when we get over it, is it going to stop anything? The only guy that should be upset is Soi 6, Ben who got his picture plaster.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1870455] The only guy that should be upset is Soi 6, Ben who got his picture plaster.[/QUOTE]Ben may not be as upset as you may think as he could capitalize on his new found fame once he sobers up. Lots of commercial opportunities in the world of reality tube where people will watch and even read garbage. Btw, his Facebook page still has the uncensored video up and he or someone from the FB page is responding to messages instantly.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1870106]Interesting experience with Fon. My first thought after reading her story about the room mate missing the key is that she was BSing you and trying to do a runner.

But she didn't even ask you to pay her for ST so I am inclined to believe her story is genuine . Which also boggles the mind: 3 girls sharing one key! WTF! That she didn't ask for money at least for ST indicates that she rally found herself in a tight spot.

In any case, I think you played it pretty well. You kept you calm and let her figure things out. I wouldn't be surprised if she gives you a much better time if you meet again.[/QUOTE]She would not have tried to BS me. She knows I am in tight with the mamasan! And this was my second time with her. The way she was reacting to all her messages showed this was for real. I really could see an conundrum on her part. It was a bit comical to see and went on for 15 or 20 minutes. I do think they are going out to buy more keys now. I guess this was the first time they had an issue. Sigh. I do think some of these girls need someone to tell them what to do.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870150]Was Fon still sitting with the other guy when the Mamasan called her over or was she free?[/QUOTE]She was with the guy. But I had been friends with the mamasan for a year now, and I paid the BF first, so I won the girl. The dude who may have been planning to BF her may have ended up the lucky one.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1870294]Thanks FL and Paul for both your daily reports.

FL, not sure what time you're hitting soi 6 but I purposely made a couple later visits at 8-9 pm last month and found a better selection of girls. I like Peppermint I think it's a very fun club but other than a handful of nice girls, most aren't great. Can't recall which clubs you have previously visited but the best WS clubs off the top of my head for optics were Sensations, Iron, Airline (Skyfall?), Palace, Sapphire, What's Up, Taboo. I'm sure I'm missing a couple. In case you're bored, check some out. Iron, Sapphire, and Peppermint were the most fun.[/QUOTE]I wasn't impressed with Iron the night I visited, but things do change on a daily basis. I haven't returned to Peppermint, but it is certainly a good club. Skyfall was great last November, but I was less impressed this last time on the one night I visited. Today is my last day in Pattaya before I head to Bangkok, so I may make a sweep of those clubs tonight. Skyfall deserves a second chance, as I had a really awesome girl from there last November.

I do seem to agree Soi 6 is better after dark. I may heard there this afternoon and again after dark, then make a last pass through WS.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 4.

I will spare the details about Fon, the hottie who I BFed but had to leave the hotel before things got started. We did engage in conversation in the morning, her texting me first. She was willing to come see me when I wanted, but she would not tell me when was a good time for her, as I was "the customer" and the "the boss". Perhaps good attributes in a WG, but I said I did not look at her like that, and I don't. Anyway, still sensing another starfish experience, I put her off, though we did exchange a few more texted pleasantries throughout the day.

Anyway, around 2:30 PM I head back to Soi 6. The weather is getting hotter, but not the girls. Still rather plain. There are a few gems but one has to look hard, but I really get embarrassed to simply stare at the girls as I walk by time after time. I guess I shouldn't, and should be able to walk back and forth as much as I want, since I am the one with the money, but one shouldn't leave their manners home just because they looking to buy flesh. They do remember you, the more you walk and the more days you visit, and I sense I few get upset to be continually rejected. They are people trying to make the best of a bad situation they have found themselves in. But I digress. One girl, Ling, at Old Bar caught my eye. She had an awesome body, though when I went over her face was rather weird. Her lower jaw stuck out, and her voice was a little strange, but the body was great and the boobs looked large, and since I was looking for bigger boobs, and I am too nice to now says thanks but no thanks at this point, I stayed with her. She was nice, English a little difficult, and she wanted the typical 1000 for her and 300 BF. OK. I told her in advance I probably wouldn't finish with her, and it turns out I didn't, but even if had been fully charged, the results might not have been different. She was certainly not a GFE. No kissing, a short BBBJ which started nice and slow but never progressed, and she was pretty dry. I used her condom to start, and there was no feeling. This was largely due to her being dry. She had a little packet of lube but she was skimpy with it. I thought about switching to my ultrathins, but figured it would be a waste of an expensive condom. We tried a few positions but with little lube it just wasn't working. She was nice and regretted the issue, but if the girl can't get a little wet, or doesn't have lube, it just isn't going to work for me. So quickly enough, it is over. Yes, she had a nice firm, petite body, but the boobs were bolt ONS. She was certainly nice to hold and touch if you ignored the face, but if things don't click, it just isn't going to work. She wants me to come back tomorrow, as I told her I would be able recharge and finish tomorrow, but no way. Again, a nice sweet girl, but I can't recommend her. YMMV of course.

I returned to my hotel to write reports and catch up on news. A message I had received from Fon earlier had said "afternoon I go". No idea what she meant, other than perhaps she wanted to see me that afternoon, but it is 6 PM now and I have not heard. She starts work around 7:30, and I had said yesterday she could come to me in the evening and then leave to go to work, since she lives way south of here, but I don't know. I don't think anything is going to happen with her today. I will return to WS after dark, but no Peppermint. Not sure if Luk will ask her how things went, or what she might say. Doesn't matter, so why worry?

I have never been to Soi 6 after dark. A problem with going there in the afternoon, at least this time of year, is that the sun shines in your eyes as you walk to the west, and it makes eyeing the girls more difficult. Going at night is better, as there is no squinting and it is cooler. So, cognizant of the fact I wanted to hit WS later, I did not waste time. I quickly chose Periyw (this was her spelling) at Honey Bar. This may be her real name, as the why she pronounces her professional name was more like Meal. I chose her as she had a beautiful face with blondish hair. Her skin was fair and the body very nice, not a spinner, but very very nice. She had an awesome smile as well. For some reason she reminded me of a favorite female singer I once lusted over, making the choice easier.

I quickly went inside with her for the standard drinks. Her English was not the greatest, but we got by. She poked around with johnny a bit to let me know she was interested in moving things upstairs, so we did. In the room, we undress and she tells me to go take a shower. Hmmm. Not the best sign. I do, then she takes hers. We lay down and she gets to work fairly soon on the boys. Another bad sign I look for some touching and not getting off to such a rush start. This might not be so great. But she takes things slow and ends up giving a super nice BBBJ. She goes slow and deep. She said she had only been in town for 2 days, and the implication was that she was new at this job. It was hard communicating with her to find out if she was new the Pattaya and / or new to the business. But I commented that she must have learned to give BJs by watching porn movies, as she pretty much followed the classic script. Very very nice. I am warming up to this girl! The cover goes on but we have some problems with lubrication again. She has some lotion and that works fairly well. Her breasts are small, and she is no spinner, but she is hardly overweight. She just has a more womanly body, which is quite fine. Again, not fat at all. Entering her from on top, I look down at her and that sexy face, reminding me of the singer. I feel I might be able to release by simply dreaming I am screwing my idol! Haha But I don't. I enjoy some fast and hard action while thinking about it, but then slow down and enjoy things. After a very nice and fulfilling time, I tell her I can't finish, but that I love the closeness we are sharing. She was enjoying our time too, though concerned I couldn't. When I mentioned I enjoyed the closeness, she held me tight and we did a lot of touching and kissing in the afterglow. The time was up so we shower and dress. I really enjoyed my time with her. I am thinking I might go back and even LT her, bringing her to my hotel for the night. I may or may not, probably won't, but just thinking about doing that is a testament to the kind of time had with her.

I left, and in leaving I passed by Jiem. She came over and grabbed on to me, wanting me to take her home. Jiem was sweet and awesome in bed, but not the kind I wanted to sleep over with me. Too petite, too plain, too much stomach stretching. I said I had things to do but might be back. We both knew I was lying.

I took the baht bus to WS. There were tons of FL girls out all along WS. More than I have ever seen. Wow. But I didn't pay too much attention to how they looked, as I was WS bound. Walking down WS, I was again conscious that my disco FL girl Pam might be there, but then I forgot about that until I walked by the I-Bar entrance. I really didn't know if I wanted to hook up with her again. The boom boom was bad, and I spent tons of drinks, though I did have a good time overall! Try to figure that one out. I mean, she is a neat girl, fun girl, but not one I really want to boom with again. We both saw each other at the same time. She gave her big smile and I went over. She was just finishing a beer and, of course, with me there she wanted me to start buying for her. Fair enough, for a little while. She is fun to talk to. Soon, however, I got a story about how she had two cell phones, one went bad, and now the second one went bad so she has no phone and something is going on with her family where she really needs to talk to them so she has to get it repaired, but the repair cost is 3000 baht, bla bla bla. She said she didn't mean to burden me with that information, but she obviously wanted money from me, though no mention of wanting me to hand over 3 K right then. She does, quickly enough, mention she wants to boom again. As I have said, I didn't think I really wanted to do her anymore. She blew her first chance with an uninspiring performance. I told her I was hungry and that I wanted to go find something to eat, and that if some other man came by while I was gone she could go with him. She said she only wanted me, and if I would come back to her after eating she would wait for me. I tried to evade the question somewhat, at which time asked me to buy her another beer before I left while she waited. Sure. I got out some loosely organized cash from my pocket and she saw a 1000 baht note in with some other smaller notes. Her beer was 170, so I was just going to dig out 200. As I am fumbling and handing over the notes to the waiter, she playfully grabs the 1000 note, then won't give it back. I ask to get it back and I try to grab for it, then she puts in inside her blouse. I reach inside, then figure I should not do that with the bouncers standing right next to us. At the time I was not really sure if she got the 1000 note, but later I find out she did, and I am not real cool with that. It was done playfully, at first, but she should have given it back. As I leave she again askes what I am going to do, and I suggest that maybe she should go home and sleep then, as I wasn't sure. I leave her, walking south, to find something to eat. Finding nothing I wanted, I head south, totally unaware of when I passed by I-Bar. I get one of those wrapped chicken things (kabob? Then come back towards I-Bar, not really sure what I should do with Pam. But she is not there. She is nowhere to be found. Did she hookup with another guy so quickly or did she do what I said and leave to go sleep? Or did she simply want to get out of there with the cash?

I was a bit upset, but I am thinking that her leaving might be good, for even if she stole 1000 Baht from me, if I stayed with her I might have ended up spending over 2000 on drinks, and possibly she could have talked me in to ST as well! Some of you may be thinking I should have called the bouncers over to get my money back, but I don't want to cause any issues. 1000 Baht is nothing to me, and if she really needs it that bad, whatever. I had fun losing my disco virginity with her, and I laugh that if she had stayed she probably could have gotten more out of me. I might have told her I would go with her if she gave a GFE! Better to lose 1000 than 3000 I suppose! Oh well, I will keep an eye out over my remaining days.

Anyway, I did another walk through of I-Bar checking for girls and there were plenty, and I may have gotten a look or two, but I didn't try to pick any. I wanted a really beautiful girl, and the only place an old guy like me can find them is the gogo bars. I started my search at Skyfall. It was great on my last trip, but this time there was no one really special, plus I was stuck in the middle of the bar where there are no girls dancing, and there were lots of guys, so I quickly gave up and left. I tried Iron bar. Horrible. Sweet Hearts was ok, but nothing all that special. Same with Ginzo. I went into a few others, but no one really caught my eye. I went into Light House, where a "friend" I had made over my last two visits last worked. Last I saw, she had an absolutely rock hard body, and I kind of skipped out on her the lost time, not really sure if she would give a good performance or night. (History: When we first met a year ago, she worked outside of some club I don't remember trying to get guys to enter, and after seeing me walk back and forth a few times over a few days, she kind of latched on to me, asking me to BF her but only for dinner. I declined, but last November she started dancing at Light House and when she did an outdoor stint she saw me, recognized me, and come over to me excited. She was now a dancer inside, and I spent time with her, cuddled up close and getting kisses. I did not BF, though I had told her I would on my last night there, but I didn't. She had the firmest, hardest body I have even touched, but I was unsure how she would be in bed.) I couldn't remember her name, though. Bee, Bree, something with a be?? Inside, there was a girl who resembled my friend, but as I looked at her as I walked by, she showed no signs of recognition of me. I had to sit towards the back, and we was with a dude towards the front. As I watched, I saw some of the same enthusiasm and smiles, but when I asked my waitress for the girl's name, they said May. Umm, my girl isn't May. As I leave I stop and ask her if by chance she remembers me. She says she does and she kisses me. But she is with this dude, and she shows no excitement for me, so I am confused. Maybe she remembers I stiffed her and is upset? I can't have been that significant to her that she would remember that! Now back at home, I looked up her name and it is Bell. Strange.

Anyway, I left and tried a few other clubs and nothing was clicking. I went back to Crazy Horse where I had met them, wondering if that big-breasted naked girl I had first been lusting after would be available. Neither them nor that girl was not there, but was another naked girl there who I thought looked better. Dang nice body with natural Cees, probably around 24. Another guy next to me is oogling her, and it is now 1:30 AM so I want to get me some and get home. I find the mamasan, who is a hoot, and ask about the girl, and she is indeed available for takeout. Again, the BF is 800 and 2000/3000 (even though I ended up getting them LT for 2000). She calls the girl over and we try to chat, but the music is blaring. I get her name as being Gai. She stands in front of me, rubbing her butt against my crouch. She is happy when I ask her if she would like to leave with me, but says ST only. Fine. Cutting to the important details, she was a dud. Total starfish. At the hotel, she turns on the TV telling me to go take a shower. Then she takes hers. She comes out and lays down and watches TV. I lay down next to her, and she at least rubs Johnny, still under the see I took the previous afternoon, but that is it. I make a few moves but she does nothing. I manage to insert a finger with no resistance from her, and I think she is starting to get irritated that I am not putting on a condom! Well, I am not going to treat this situation like I had done with Fon last year, so I accept things for what they are, break open a condom, roll it on, spread her legs apart and climb on. She is just semi-wet and soon I have to break out some lube. That helps a lot, as I wasn't feeling much with her dry. She does moan a little and might actually be somewhat enjoying things she is not glued to the TV now at least. We switch to doggie, then back in missionary I manage to release. She as least doesn't push me off right away. But, yeah, great body and those breasts are awesome. Flat stomach, great legs, etc. She has what it takes, except for attitude. Oh well.

She did show a little humor, and her poor English may have contributed to some issues, but unless you want a basic slam bam with a girl with a gosh dern good body, save your money for someone else.

So, wow, 3 girls in one day, with one release after not releasing the day before. Not too bad for me. How some of you guys can cum multiple times a day, day after day, is something I can't fathom. Even as a teen, I could never do anything close to that. Every other day with a condom is about the best I can do. But as I told Periyw, it was more about the closeness than the orgasm.

Tomorrow? Maybe I will go to that Kinaree place in the afternoon? Never been there. Maybe hit Soi 6 again in the evening, then back to WS. My budget is holding up well, and I am still in search of the most beautiful girl out there. I have been getting close, but not there yet. Fon is close, and we did exchange greetings today, but I don't know we will get anywhere.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1870463]Ben may not be as upset as you may think as he could capitalize on his new found fame once he sobers up. Lots of commercial opportunities in the world of reality tube where people will watch and even read garbage. Btw, his Facebook page still has the uncensored video up and he or someone from the FB page is responding to messages instantly.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha, maybe he will get a reality show?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870495]Tomorrow? Maybe I will go to that Kinaree place in the afternoon? Never been there. Maybe hit Soi 6 again in the evening, then back to WS. [/QUOTE]Likely too late by the time you read this but Kinnaree has a sweet spot of 3-6 pm. Few girls before 3 pm and girls want to leave at 7 pm, many heading off to another bar for their night shift. Just down the street from Kinnaree is Viper Bar (old Sapphire Lodge). Don't expect 100+ girls like Sensations but it's worth checking out if you're nearby. Exit Kinnaree, turn left and walk uphill to Pratamnak 4, turn left again and walk downhill towards Cosy Beach. On the right past the 7-11 you will see Viper Bar.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870495]Pattaya Trip Report, Day 4.[/QUOTE]Got to say, FL Hawk, I'm loving your reports. They are very honest, which is a trait not common enough here on ISG.

And for a guy that can't cum more than once a day (I'm like that, actually), you sure do get your self inserted into a whole lot of ladies.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1870575]Likely too late by the time you read this but Kinnaree has a sweet spot of 3-6 pm. Few girls before 3 pm and girls want to leave at 7 pm, many heading off to another bar for their night shift. Just down the street from Kinnaree is Viper Bar (old Sapphire Lodge). Don't expect 100+ girls like Sensations but it's worth checking out if you're nearby. Exit Kinnaree, turn left and walk uphill to Pratamnak 4, turn left again and walk downhill towards Cosy Beach. On the right past the 7-11 you will see Viper Bar.[/QUOTE]Thanks, my friend.

I got there around 2:30 and it was fairly busy, though I have no frame of reference. The girl to man ratio seemed to be pretty high.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1870578]Got to say, FL Hawk, I'm loving your reports. They are very honest, which is a trait not common enough here on ISG.

And for a guy that can't cum more than once a day (I'm like that, actually), you sure do get your self inserted into a whole lot of ladies.[/QUOTE]Thanks Kimbu.

Haha. Yes, I am honest. And this is a good place to keep records of my adventures that are not stored any longer in my computer. If I lie to you, I am only lying to myself.

But, yes, especially this trip, I have tried for 2 to 3 times a day. Almost got 4 times once. It at least all feels good, so missing out on the O's is not so terrible. Plus, I am seeing my virgin Thai friend Tuesday, and she has assured me this visit will finally be THE visit, so I want to keep my fluild level high, but the way things have been going these last 2 days (reports in draft stage), they must now be overflowing. Sigh.

[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;1868609]Went to Mixx on the 18th. People entering were drenched because of the water play happening outside. Met a Thai girl and found her to be shy. She had come with Friend and did not speak much English. Well went with her because she looked good. Fixed for LT at 1230 in the night for 1.5. Though it would be a good deal and I would get at least 3 pop. But man I was wrong. In the room she became very very chatty. And was taking offense to any of my attempts to Hasten things. Was in not in any mood to make scene so just played along. Talked for 2 hours in room over beer. Finally asked her to get her ass in shower for the deed.

The sex was great. She was shy and all 'dim the lights please' but the sex was good. 30 min after all it started I came. And that was it. She slept and woke up in the morning. Asked me if I wanted another pop. But I did not like her attitude much so politely refused citing tiredness.

All in all 1 pop- 1.5 k- free accommodation for her.

Sex: 8/10.[/QUOTE]How is the scene at Mixx only Thai ladies or do we have a selection of Russian or CIS ladies also. As in BKK it has two sections one is only Thai ladies and the other full of CIS, Russian and some Latino chicks also.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870595]Thanks Kimbu.

Haha. Yes, I am honest. And this is a good place to keep records of my adventures that are not stored any longer in my computer. If I lie to you, I am only lying to myself.

But, yes, especially this trip, I have tried for 2 to 3 times a day. Almost got 4 times once. It at least all feels good, so missing out on the O's is not so terrible. Plus, I am seeing my virgin Thai friend Tuesday, and she has assured me this visit will finally be THE visit, so I want to keep my fluild level high, but the way things have been going these last 2 days (reports in draft stage), they must now be overflowing. Sigh.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk,

My man you write from the heart and things written from the heart are always true and last longer, when I started writing in the DXB forum I write almost like this all my frs are long two or three pages many from the DXB forum criticized me and spoke loads of stuff but to me writing FRs was to remember my sexcapades for myself in the future and not for anyone else and then when I stopped writing a while ago I have been flooded with PM with so many ISG'ians requesting me not to stop writing as my FR were so precise information that many of them saved so much money and had bang on chicks as I said.

I've read your last FR here and I truly feel you just write the true happenings of your life, this is how it should be done. Everyone has a taste some write it short and to the point and some true feelings and some like me pure erotica lollss. Keep up the good work and looking forward for your FR of the BKK forum.

Cheers: Happy fucking.

Alex

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1870578]Got to say, FL Hawk, I'm loving your reports. They are very honest, which is a trait not common enough here on ISG.

And for a guy that can't cum more than once a day (I'm like that, actually), you sure do get your self inserted into a whole lot of ladies.[/QUOTE]Kumbu!

Welcome back old friend.

We have been missing your artfully crafted posts on the forum. It is a joy to see you back here.

Even though it has been years I still can't see a meaty ass or thigh on a girl without thinking of your prose.

Glad to have you back!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870595]Thanks Kimbu.

Haha. Yes, I am honest. And this is a good place to keep records of my adventures that are not stored any longer in my computer. If I lie to you, I am only lying to myself.

But, yes, especially this trip, I have tried for 2 to 3 times a day. Almost got 4 times once. It at least all feels good, so missing out on the O's is not so terrible. Plus, I am seeing my virgin Thai friend Tuesday, and she has assured me this visit will finally be THE visit, so I want to keep my fluild level high, but the way things have been going these last 2 days (reports in draft stage), they must now be overflowing. Sigh.[/QUOTE]I am really digging your reports and their refreshing honesty and candor.

I'the give Pam a wide berth if I were you. You seem genuinely kind and generous and girls like her are masters of manipulating guys like you. I like to think of myself as the same and I also avoid girls like the plague once I see signals of this game as I can also easily get caught up in it.

While I am doling out advice, I'the also recommend giving Fon another shot. You did her a solid and maybe she is ready to reciprocate with some kindness and affection of her own.

This is just my 2 kopek's worth, of course.

Eagerly awaiting your next posts.

You-V.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 5 (Saturday).

I didn't finish with Bee until around 3 AM, and I had trouble falling asleep after she left. I did have a couple of diet Cokes on WS earlier, and the caffeine was keeping me awake I suppose. I gave up trying to sleep anymore by 8 AM, so with just a couple hours of sleep, I got up to go have a walk along the beach before the heat of the day set in. I wandered down to Bay View for breakfast, and was only slightly surprised to see buses with Chinese tourists descending on the waterfront to take them all out of boats. Again, wave after wave, with the buses often blocking my bay view. It is kind of funny, but several years ago on a cruise I met a Chinese girl who worked on board, and I started to talk to her and we became friends. We have continued to chat and she is now around 28 or so, I suppose, and still single. We joked (well, it was a joke for me), that if we were both single 3 years later we should marry. It has been 3 years, we are both unmarried, and I think she might want me wanting to marry me now. Seriously! I broached the subject of vesting China and she offered to show me around, but in my inquiry about sleeping arrangement, she was being a good old fashioned girl and said she would recommend a nice hotel! Haha Good to know she is not compromising her morals for a husband. She is a sweet girl, pretty but overweight, smart, etc. , but not really my type for marriage. She is not detoured by our age difference, but having a wife just a few years older than my kids would be too creepy to deal with. And if I get married to an Asian it will likely be to my Thai GF I will be seeing again soon in Bangkok, and after I finally complete my mongering. Anyway, I am reading my email messages in my ocean view motel room and I get one from her telling me about her recent Thailand trip! She has no idea I am here, but I laughed a bit to think that my friend was once among those hordes of tourists I complain about!

Anyway, that afternoon, I decided to go visit the Kinneree place. The taxi driver knew where it was, but I think I got ripped off for the fare. Whatever. I was looking for a motorbike, but the taxi stand came first, and again, whatever. The place was not too far. The driver dropped me off and I went inside and found a number of older men with a number of ladies ranging from ugly to-not-too-bad inside. I was kind of ignored, being pointed to a table to sit, then the server came over to take my drink order, but he ignored my saying I had idea what to do. I got my diet Coke and after about 10 minutes of swiveling around on my chair observing, a pretty lady comes over and says Hello,. After a brief introduction she asks if she can sit down. Her name was Nok, and in conversation she said she used to work at Alcatraz on WS. She had only started at the Kinneree 3 days ago. She was probably in her early 30's, a few pounds over, with a push up bra, but her English was decent and though I would have ignored her in a gogo bar, we were able to sit down in a comfortable couch and talk, in which a warm personality came through. This part was nice trying to converse in a gogo bar with blaring music and semi-naked girls running around is difficult.

A short while later, the Saturday barbecue was served, which was delicious and filling. Most guys with girls were bringing back sufficient food to share, though I don't know that most Thai women really care for our foods that much. Eating to 60's American music in Thai bar with women to screw running around was great. With a warm food belly, I asked Noc about taking her back in order to work off some calories, and she said yes, with no mention of pricing. There is a 350 BF to pay to get put on the waiting list for a room. Yes, you may have to wait for a room. Their rooms are limited and it gets busy after lunch, though our wait was not that long actually. Anyway, the room was much nicer than the dirty, shabby, rabbit warren of rooms that is the staple of Soi 6, and being on ground level, there were no treacherous, steep, head-banging stairs with broken railings to climb, nor wading through back rooms stepping over stuff, or waiting for the air conditioning system to cool the room down. And I had a tad more confidence that the bedspread might be washed more than once a month. This all made for a more comfortable experience. We showered together, her washing me, and in bed she gave a decent, not GFE, performance. Nice BBBJ, then when the cover went go, some good girl on top action. I told her before we started I would not be able to finish, and I didn't, but she tried hard and it all felt good. Only complaint about the room was it was noisy. You could easily hear what was happening in the other areas of the club, especially some of the women talking in loud voices. I supposed that if I could hear them, they could hear me. The addition of additional sound deadening material is in order. At the end I asked about rates, and she said whatever I wanted to give her. Well, a Soi 6 girl would want 1000, and though I have gotten better performances from most Soi 6 girls, Noc had spent a lot of time with me that afternoon for a better overall experience, so I handed her 1500, which she seemed ok with. After that, it was out to the street and trying to figure out how to get home. There was a guard, and he said wait 5 minutes, and 5 minutes later a motorbike with a passenger rides in, and the guard says that is my ride home. Well, ok. The ride home seemed longer than in a taxi, but we take some back routes to, I hope, save time as the traffic might now be higher, but it went ok. Seems like the ride back was 120. I didn't feel ripped by that.

My opinions on Kinneree are mostly positive. Given this is Pattaya, the women who work there chose to work in this profession and, those who come here, find it a better alternative that the WS or Soi 6 clubs. They get to work in a clean, safe, air conditioned environment which is good, and they can interact better and longer with their intended clients. They will be less likely to develop tinnitus. I guess it also gives older dudes a more formal place to hang where, in less than ear-spitting sound levels, they can converse with other men as well as the ladies, and not have to venture out to congested WS or Soi 6.

Back at my hotel, I do some writing and think I will head back to Soi 6 for some night action, before heading to WS for Saturday night. It should be jamming. I may go back to the place where Bell worked and inquire about her. No word from Fon today, and I think I will just let it die. My last memory of her will be seeing her naked in her current, declining glory while she is still hot.

Well, I have failed to regularly update my reports, falling a few days behind in my new writings, concentrating more on finishing up the old ones, so it is Monday afternoon now as I write this rest of this and I find myself trying to look back to Saturday to remember what I did. I have been jet lagged or otherwise sleep deprived and I seem in a daze sometimes, but what did I do Saturday? I remember the highlights, but here goes with what I remember.

I did go back to Soi 6 that evening. In leaving, I was accosted by a girl outside one the one modern disco club near the west end. Pretty young spinner, but not really my type. I am not even sure how the place operates. I just know I am not interested in her. I buy her a drink and give a small tip for her time as we sat down and talked, but I think I feel the need to need to get back to the hotel to prepare for WS. It is dark. But did I see someone just before her on Soi 6? Nothing in my spare records of any name, so I guess not. But kind of seems like I did. Argh! Man, it is bad when you can't remember if you got laid or not two days previously!

Anyway, on to WS. There was no Pam at I-Bar, and I was not really impressed with the few clubs I did enter. Until I entered Sugar Baby. There were some hot girls in there, but the one that blew me away was the hot, naked girl standing up at the rear. Bolts ONS yes, but wonderful figure, legs and face. Not a youngster, but hardly old. Maybe late 20's or early 30's. She looked outstanding. Not in a modelish way, just she looked like the ultimate girl next door. Very natural, displaying calm confidence. I imagined, with clothes on, you would want to take this girl to meet your mother. I was mesmerized, and I was trying to understand exactly why. She finished on stage shortly and went off to dress. She looked my way and I smiled big, and she returned the smile. I motioned her to come over for a drink, and she did. Her name was Bee. We talked, where she claims to have 2 children. I was floored. That might explain her boob job, but there were only trace vestiges of some skin darkening from having a baby after I looked. I noted in person her solid character. There was no giggling or fake laughter. This seemed like a solid, mature woman, despite the fact she was hooking for a living. We touched, and I felt a solid stomach. No rock hard stomach, but close enough. She looked like a woman should look. It did not take me long to ask if I could BF her. She smiled as she said yes. Cost was 1000 BF and 2000ST to her. She does not seem to like to do LT, which would be 3000 for an overnight stay. She is unique in that her children, and I think her mother, are in Pattaya, and she likes to go home to them each night.

When she came out after changing into normal clothes, she left me drooling. She had a tight top on showing off her Dee clearage (not a large Dee, but as large as would look decent with her petite body). And with her short cutoff jeans, figure and legs, my jaw was hitting my feet. I mean, simply gorgeous. Fon could not have been any more amazing. Wait, who was Fon?

Back at the hotel, though, he had me shower first. I did tell her she could turn the TV on (bad move, but I am in drool land with her) while I got ready. When I was done, she goes in, locks the door, and showers. She comes out draped in the towel and gets into bed. Now I am getting a little concerned about a Fon repeat from a year ago. Starfish city with a hot girl. But, I handle things different. I think here I have an amazing, real life woman, and I will do now what I need to do to ensure it goes well. So I change the rules a bit. I will take the lead. I tell her I like to take things slow, with some kissing and touching, and then just go slow with it. She agrees, and she (I supposed) lets me take over. Guys, I treated her like she was my lost love and I wanted her to just lay back and enjoy what I had to offer. I touched, licked some, kissed some, caressed, massaged, etc. I basked in her beauty. I was acting like this was my lover, my girlfriend. I was not asking her to do anything, and she basically didn't do anything! My endorphin glands were pumping endorphins and I was feeling the love! Ok, I exaggerate a bit, but I am feeling the feeling the feelings of love, or at least generating it in my mind. The kissing was very limited, as she did not seem to really like it wish me, but I didn't let it bother me. She did work to keep johnny going, and she would touch back, but no attempt to engage in some oral action or doing anything needed to get her to sit up. But I wasn't going to allow myself to care. I was going to get my pleasure by pleasuring her, and the final release would be awesome.

She pretty much kept her eyes closed, but she did notice that when I finally decided to plunge in that I had failed to put on a condom, so she was certainly paying attention. She felt good, and I started a good 20 to 30 minutes of gentleness peppered with some pounding. She had no problem changing positions when I wanted, and she moaned softly the whole time. I had to break out some lube due to the long session, but that seems normal with most of these women. But, really, I was in heaven. I set myself up that all I wanted was for me to do the work and enjoy seeing her beautiful body in front of me, and I was happy. I was in heaven. It was literally, due to fatigue, a dream like experience. But I couldn't release. What is up with that? Sigh.

I finally give up and she stays a while as I internally fret about my performance, but what can I do? Was she maybe a little too lose for me (due to kids) that, with condoms, I just can't get the proper amount of stimulation? She felt OK, not like she was loose, but I don't know. She was in no hurry to get dressed when I gave up. She let my lay next to her and I actually dozed off briefly, at which point she did get up to leave. Maybe I started snoring! Despite everything, I was happy. I had a fantasy largely come true, and while she was not exactly a GFE, it was a GFE for me as I got most of what I wanted. Next time I will want more, and I very well may not get it, so this may be a one-time thing with Bee, but I am happy now. And you can now point out the flaws in the rationale for my feelings. You would be right, and I expect I will be in full realization after my next encounter with her. Maybe I should not see her again so I can keep the fantasy intact but, as with Fon, I won't. I will go ruin it with reality.

She dressed, and I was again blown over by her looks in them. I felt like I wanted to grab her and rip them off and start over. I wanted to get a picture, but even if she agreed, what would I have a record off? A hooker I paid 3000 baht for who didn't have any feelings for me? Nothing to be overly proud of. Anyway, I was still amazed and blown away by this experience, of me at least getting to make semi-love with a woman with the face and body I have dreamed and lusted over. Any man would be so proud to have this exotic beauty next to them. I know, and I am droning on, but she would be so elegant in a formal dress or attending a formal, high class ball, as opposed to most of the WS girls. So again, Bell is not a top model kind of beauty, just that of a gorgeous woman with confidence and pride who can make any man look good. Sigh. I am already forgetting about Fon though, in actuality, the two really are not that different in terms of initial performance, only that I lowered my expectations for Bee.

Tomorrow I will probably see Bee and BF her again rather than Bell. I am sure I will hit Soi 6 again as well. Hopefully tomorrow I can finally have a nice release will Bee. I hope to throw in a nap sometime as well!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1870652]I am really digging your reports and their refreshing honesty and candor.

I'the give Pam a wide berth if I were you. You seem genuinely kind and generous and girls like her are masters of manipulating guys like you. I like to think of myself as the same and I also avoid girls like the plague once I see signals of this game as I can also easily get caught up in it.

While I am doling out advice, I'the also recommend giving Fon another shot. You did her a solid and maybe she is ready to reciprocate with some kindness and affection of her own.

This is just my 2 kopek's worth, of course.

Eagerly awaiting your next posts.

You-V.[/QUOTE]I believe your advice is solid. Too late now Fon, but I may be back a week from Saturday and I will try to contact her again and set up something. But I am on the hook for 3000 with her for ST and I really doubt the experience will be great. But I may have helped in our Line texting, and if she re-engages me, things might go acceptably well.

I think I will be ok with Pam now. Not sure why I keep being drawn back to I-Bar looking for her. She is cute with that killer smile, but I really don't want to ST her again. She is fun and I lost my Disco virginity to her, so some of this may be natural. But don't worry. Bell overshadows Pam, and I have a real Thai sweetheart I am going to visit tomorrow for a week. Just got to survive tonight.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1870106]Interesting experience with Fon. My first thought after reading her story about the room mate missing the key is that she was BSing you and trying to do a runner.

But she didn't even ask you to pay her for ST so I am inclined to believe her story is genuine . Which also boggles the mind: 3 girls sharing one key! WTF! That she didn't ask for money at least for ST indicates that she rally found herself in a tight spot.

In any case, I think you played it pretty well. You kept you calm and let her figure things out. I wouldn't be surprised if she gives you a much better time if you meet again.[/QUOTE]Of course the key story was BS, it's something so much used that the girls play it with newcomers only. There is no woman in Thailand that wouldn't patiently wait while her friend or roommate is making quick 2 or 3 thousands.

The fact that she didn't ask for anything doesn't mean much first of all she had already summed a barfine that count toward her set target for salary, and then she knows that some foreigners would have paid something anyway. so she kept dragging it for a while to see what would came out. She would have been ok even doing the deed and get paid, but for whatever reason she didn't really wanted.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1870732]Of course the key story was BS, it's something so much used that the girls play it with newcomers only. There is no woman in Thailand that wouldn't patiently wait while her friend or roommate is making quick 2 or 3 thousands.

The fact that she didn't ask for anything doesn't mean much first of all she had already summed a barfine that count toward her set target for salary, and then she knows that some foreigners would have paid something anyway. so she kept dragging it for a while to see what would came out. She would have been ok even doing the deed and get paid, but for whatever reason she didn't really wanted.[/QUOTE]Yes, I had the same thought initially. This strategy certainly makes sense, form a rational choice framework if, a lot of the the time, the punter just pays up to avoid trouble.

But from the context of his story, the prior relationship, her texting him to ask to come back, I think her story holds water (as dumb as that story is, it is dumb enough to be true).

Unless, of course, she is playing the diabolical long game and setting him up for some kind of big fall.

FL Hawk! watch out for your kidneys, man!.

555

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870467]She was with the guy. But I had been friends with the mamasan for a year now, and I paid the BF first, so I won the girl. The dude who may have been planning to BF her may have ended up the lucky one.[/QUOTE]Dangerous game your playing, taking hot girls right out from under a drunk guy in a bar who just spent his hard earned money on the girl. And if he had friends who were as drunk. In the real world you'd get your ass beat 9 times out of 10, last time I checked Thailand was the real world. You lucked out this time.

Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1870781]But from the context of his story, the prior relationship, her texting him to ask to come back, I think her story holds water (as dumb as that story is, it is dumb enough to be true).[/QUOTE]Actually it is not dumb at all. I have been through many a key story or having to run and help a friend or relative story and for the most part I find them to be legit. I go the FL route so there is no money to be gained from a paid bar fine. The woman never asks for money when leaving. And I am still friends with some to this day. Hell, I have even gone with a girl to take the key before!

9 times out of 10 the key in question is an electronic key card. I have one for my building. If I want an extra or if I lose that one then I have to pay 300 baht. This is why there is only 1 key shared among friends who live in the same room. It is not a conspiracy to do a runner.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870798]Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club?[/QUOTE]Money talks and bullshit walks. You are not there to court the girl. If you want her to go with you then pay the bar fine and sit in there next to her all you want. If you have not paid the bar fine then you have no claim to the girl. And as we say in the hood, you don't check the pimp you check the ho. If you meant anything to her then she wouldn't run off to another guy like that. You can't get angry because I pulled up in a shiny new car and your girl decides to come with me. You can only get mad at her or yourself.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870798]Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club?[/QUOTE]IMO in this game the race goes to the swift and decisive. If someone else was buying her drinks he was simply paying for her company during that time. Business is business after all and the club mamasan took the bird in the hand. Lesson learned the hard way if there are hard feelings. Tomorrow is another day.

SL.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870798]Dangerous game your playing, taking hot girls right out from under a drunk guy in a bar who just spent his hard earned money on the girl. And if he had friends who were as drunk. In the real world you'd get your ass beat 9 times out of 10, last time I checked Thailand was the real world. You lucked out this time.
[/QUOTE]You're right in saying that fights between foreigners are easy in Thailand. I've been dangerously close to some which I didn't provoked, and there wasn't even a woman involved, except on one occasion.

But you can't tell who will get his ass beaten. I've seen surprises in street and bar fights.

Thanks for another report, FL. Set price is 1000 baht for 30+ minutes and when I say '+' that could mean an hour depending on the girl. It's why room waits can be long. CIM, anal, etc. Is included in the 1000 baht, again ymmv on what the girl offers. Service at Kinnaree is generally very high and nice to see even a brand new girl providing ok service. Taxi to / from Central Festival should run 200 baht or less. Agree the Saturday BBQ is very good but many guys on Saturdays.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870798]Dangerous game your playing, taking hot girls right out from under a drunk guy in a bar who just spent his hard earned money on the girl. And if he had friends who were as drunk. In the real world you'd get your ass beat 9 times out of 10, last time I checked Thailand was the real world. You lucked out this time.

Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club?[/QUOTE]You would fight a guy over a hooker? Just grab her Line and meet up with her another night.

If it's someone hot she knows within minutes that I plan on barfining her. Doesn't mean I won't stick around with her in the club another 30-60 minutes having a few drinks so she makes a bit more cash and I keep looking for other girls I can take the following night.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870495]
I was a bit upset, but I am thinking that her leaving might be good, for even if she stole 1000 Baht from me, if I stayed with her I might have ended up spending over 2000 on drinks, and possibly she could have talked me in to ST as well! Some of you may be thinking I should have called the bouncers over to get my money back, but I don't want to cause any issues. 1000 Baht is nothing to me, and if she really needs it that bad, whatever.
[/QUOTE]I like your reports and good attitude but I think you made a mistake in letting someone take your money with a laugh on her face. And the reason is that it has helped this girl believe she can get away with that trick every time, because foreigners are stupid.

If you are in the right there is nothing wrong calling the mamasan over a problem. Once a friend of mine picked up a very stupid girl in a go-go. Already while walking to our car she put on a shitty face and acted unfriendly. Fortunately I was able to make my friend realize the situation, so we walked her back to club. I was thinking some discussion would have ensued, but he got the barfine money back on a tray in 30 seconds.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1870831]IMO in this game the race goes to the swift and decisive. If someone else was buying her drinks he was simply paying for her company during that time. Business is business after all and the club mamasan took the bird in the hand. Lesson learned the hard way if there are hard feelings. Tomorrow is another day.

SL.[/QUOTE]Have to disagree. A ladydrink is as you put it 'paying for her company during that time'. Its the interview process. If I'm paying for her time and someone tries to barfine the girl while I'm paying for her time, then the gloves are off. You might have barfined her but you won't be doing much fucking with a broken nose. But those are the risks involved with poaching another man's target.

p.s. as to your 'put up or shut up' headline, curious what you would do if a pissed off guy came up to you in a club after you pulled this stunt? would you put up or shut up?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1870867]You would fight a guy over a hooker? [/QUOTE]Me personally? No, way too many fish in the sea. My point is there are guys out there itching for a fight, bumping into them and knocking over a beer is enough to get them going. Barfining a girl out from under them is another thing entirely. This isn't the FKK scene where everyone plays nice.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870869]Have to disagree. A ladydrink is as you put it 'paying for her company during that time'. Its the interview process.[/QUOTE]What if someone bar fined her yesterday for today, and she is merely working the bar waiting for him to arrive? It happens, and there is always tomorrow.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1870873]What if someone bar fined her yesterday for today, and she is merely working the bar waiting for him to arrive? It happens, and there is always tomorrow.

SL.[/QUOTE]Its possible but the situation still stands, your asking for a fight in some circumstances. When the guy gets in your face, tell him that 'there's always tomorrow' as he starts pounding in your face as his drunk buddies egg him on. I understand Pattaya is pretty much open season, I can walk up to any girl anywhere and ask if she'd like to come to my hotel, even if she's sitting with a guy having lunch. If she's not in a hotel room, she's open season.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870798]Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club?[/QUOTE]Oh no, I definitely would not play that shit! If I'm sitting there talking to a girl and I know I want to take her, I don't give a shit who paid the bar fine first. It's not where you start. It's where you end up. And possession is nine tenths of the law motherfucker! What I would do is go ahead and pay the bar fine my own damn self, then dare the other bastard to make a move. She's with me, and she's leaving with me! What you about to do about it hommes? What you need mamasan? Because what you need I got!

I would never engage in this type of thing (booty snatching), and its never happened to me. We're not in "the hood", and it's just plain ungentlemanly. But, I'm not about to sit there and get "chumped" either. You can bet that! So if somebody thinks they're about to start fucking with me that way, then they've got another think coming! I tend to mind my own business and don't like drama. But let somebody start fucking with me and / or the girl I'm with and see what happens. They're going to wish they were back in the hood!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1870645]Kumbu!

Welcome back old friend.[/QUOTE]Great to be remembered, Uncle V, and even more so by a fine gentleman such as yourself. And I've been following your exploits, with great pleasure I might add.

But as nice a feeling as it is to be remembered, it pales in comparison to knowing that I may be back plying my trade in good old LOS soon.

[QUOTE=Breadman]Dangerous game your playing, taking hot girls right out from under a drunk guy in a bar who just spent his hard earned money on the girl. And if he had friends who were as drunk. In the real world you'd get your ass beat 9 times out of 10, last time I checked Thailand was the real world. You lucked out this time.

Show of hands, how many guys here would have issues with someone barfining the girl they were sitting next too in a club? [/QUOTE]This was mamasan's decision (to take the girl from some other customer and hand her over to FL Hawk), and so there is a certain amount of safety that comes with that situation. It is not in the club's interest to have such fights break out. It's bad for business, it gives them a bad name, and it shows they are not running their business in an honorable way. Nor is it in their interest to leave long-term customers without their girl of choice. It makes good business sense to satisfy their loyal customers.

I think the girl, the mamasan and the bouncers all play a role in reducing the chances of such fights. I was once in a situation where I had bought a girl two LDs and the girl then tells me that the mamasan was forcing her to go with this dude who just walked in. He was an old customer, and so there was loyalty to him. I was none too happy, but nor was the girl. She pretend-cried for me a little, which silly as it seems, made me feel better. She also gave me her number and told me we could hook up the next day (I never called her though). She then left, and I gave the other dude the most almighty skunk-eye, but he did not even know what was happening. Why should he? Mamasan then walked over to me with two of her bouncers nearby and explained the situation. She offered me a whole plethora of other girls, none of whom met my taste. She then comped me the LDs. That made everything fine, in my book. All I had lost was 10 minutes of my time. Moreover, I was good with the girl and the mamasan because I had not made waves.

The next night I went in there and I got the super-star treatment. This was at the Pattaya Baccara, around 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1870909]This was mamasan's decision (to take the girl from some other customer and hand her over to FL Hawk), and so there is a certain amount of safety that comes with that situation. It is not in the club's interest to have such fights break out. It's bad for business, it gives them a bad name, and it shows they are not running their business in an honorable way. Nor is it in their interest to leave long-term customers without their girl of choice. It makes good business sense to satisfy their loyal customers.[/QUOTE]The scenario you describe is different from one where some arrogant asshole thinks he can just swoop in and take away somebody else's prize. It was 100% at the instigation of mamasan who explained to you what was going down, and who was magnanimous in going out of her way to make you whole. As you said, the guy didn't even know what was happening. A different situation calling for a different reaction. No, I wouldn't necessarily be happy about it, but not something to be ready to get into another monger's grill about either. In this case, it would be you against "the establishment". And "you" would lose.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1870665]I believe your advice is solid. Too late now Fon, but I may be back a week from Saturday and I will try to contact her again and set up something. But I am on the hook for 3000 with her for ST and I really doubt the experience will be great. But I may have helped in our Line texting, and if she re-engages me, things might go acceptably well.

I think I will be ok with Pam now. Not sure why I keep being drawn back to I-Bar looking for her. She is cute with that killer smile, but I really don't want to ST her again. She is fun and I lost my Disco virginity to her, so some of this may be natural. But don't worry. Bell overshadows Pam, and I have a real Thai sweetheart I am going to visit tomorrow for a week. Just got to survive tonight.[/QUOTE]To FL.

Why repeat there are so many girl here I sample 5 girls in 4 night here I never repeat not like you even have a good experience with the girl and you over paid also.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1870866]Thanks for another report, FL. Set price is 1000 baht for 30+ minutes and when I say '+' that could mean an hour depending on the girl. It's why room waits can be long. CIM, anal, etc. Is included in the 1000 baht, again ymmv on what the girl offers. Service at Kinnaree is generally very high and nice to see even a brand new girl providing ok service. [/QUOTE]It is very difficult that anal is included in the 1000 baht! I always ask in advance if girl can do anal, and in the last 4 years all girls in Kinnaree ask me a tip for anal sex. CIM yes, is included but anal no!

I watch many videos on Youtube about Pattaya and would like to ask two questions (I am going there in a couple of weeks):

1. Are the girls standing outside in front of gogo bars and looking to catch clients also "barfinable" or not?

2. It appears that in beerbars girls play pool or playing dice with clients. Is this something special? Are these girls different from other hookers?

Thanks for your infos!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1871066]
1. Are the girls standing outside in front of gogo bars and looking to catch clients also "barfinable" or not?

2. It appears that in beerbars girls play pool or playing dice with clients. Is this something special? Are these girls different from other hookers?
[/QUOTE]1. Someone said that they are barfinable, someone said no. I don't know because I never try, just ask them when you are in town.

2. nothing special, these girls are there for find customer like all other girls. Play game is the classic boring routine of beerbars.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1871066]1. Are the girls standing outside in front of gogo bars and looking to catch clients also "barfinable" or not?

[/QUOTE]1. with a very few exceptions yes they are. Don't worry you'll usually find a better girl inside.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1871059]It is very difficult that anal is included in the 1000 baht! I always ask in advance if girl can do anal, and in the last 4 years all girls in Kinnaree ask me a tip for anal sex. CIM yes, is included but anal no![/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying about anal. Was only posting from my limited experience. I've only been with about 6 different girls at Kinnaree and 2 offered anal on a repeat session. If I recall I think I tipped the girls about 200 baht after the first session.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1870874]Its possible but the situation still stands, your asking for a fight in some circumstances. When the guy gets in your face, tell him that 'there's always tomorrow' as he starts pounding in your face as his drunk buddies egg him on..[/QUOTE]Once again, how do you know to who are giving the advice to stay low? You have no idea who can end pounding who. And remember that alcohol only take away the fear, but doesn't make you any faster, stronger or better in a fight.

Guys, I am in Banhkok with my friend and can't file reports for another week or so. My last night in Pattaya is will be worth the wait.

As for bar fining a girl out from under another guy. The mamasan asked me if I wanted Fon. I said yes. I was not even aware she was with someone until the manasan called her over. Also, as I said, I have had a girl pulled out from under me. Bummer, you buy drinks and she leaves to go dance or she leaves because the mamasan tells her to. I have no idea what the situation was with the other guy. This is how they play the game. Note that some guys will tie up a lady for hours with drinks then never BF her. Pick a fight with me? At the Peppermill? I don't think so. Track me down later, you could take me, but not inside Peppermill. Bouncers and girls both would take you down. I am too good a customer. Meaning, I have more money than brains.

Take care. I will be onhere very little over the next week.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1871431] As for bar fining a girl out from under another guy. The mamasan asked me if I wanted Fon. I said yes. I was not even aware she was with someone until the manasan called her over. Also, as I said, I have had a girl pulled out from under me. Bummer, you buy drinks and she leaves to go dance or she leaves because the mamasan tells her to. I have no idea what the situation was with the other guy. This is how they play the game. Note that some guys will tie up a lady for hours with drinks then never BF her. Pick a fight with me? At the Peppermill? I don't think so. Track me down later, you could take me, but not inside Peppermill. Bouncers and girls both would take you down. I am too good a customer. Meaning, I have more money than brains.

[/QUOTE]You just barfined a girl from under a guy, your going to have to leave the bar soon since you just barfined the girl (and the guy knows it). Will the bouncers protect you after you leave the bar? Its a risk is all I'm saying, especially if you don't have a wingman with you. Personally I like to keep a low profile in foreign countries but if you want to wear your "I'm American" t-shirt its your choice.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1871664]You just barfined a girl from under a guy, your going to have to leave the bar soon since you just barfined the girl (and the guy knows it). Will the bouncers protect you after you leave the bar? Its a risk is all I'm saying, especially if you don't have a wingman with you. Personally I like to keep a low profile in foreign countries but if you want to wear your "I'm American" t-shirt its your choice.[/QUOTE]Your argument is moot seeing that there is no rash of attacks over someone stealing a chick that someone wanted to barfine. Over 10 years of going to Thailand and I have not seen one instance of this in the news or on the ground.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1871722]Your argument is moot seeing that there is no rash of attacks over someone stealing a chick that someone wanted to barfine. Over 10 years of going to Thailand and I have not seen one instance of this in the news or on the ground.[/QUOTE]The mind boggles! How can one bar-fine a girl under the hands of another guy? At the very least you have to speak to her, don't you? So she has already left the oher guy or management pulls her away for you. Or is anyone brazen enough to walk up to another table where boy & girl are sitting and then offer her to pay a barfine?

Mamasan at one of the Pattaya gogo clubs asks me which girl I like. I point at one sitting with a 50'ish Japanese guy. Next thing I know she's over there talking to the girl and the girl is winking at me. I go over and tell Mamasan no and apologize to the guy. No issue. Within 5 minutes the girl was barfined. Sadly, I never saw her again.

Like Breadman, I try to keep a very low profile in Thailand. Smile and move on. I can easily find another girl in Pattaya within minutes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1871742]

Like Breadman, I try to keep a very low profile in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, Mr. Banana Boy! . We all knew that already. The only question is " how low do you go ". Hahaha LOL! 😜.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1871722]Your argument is moot seeing that there is no rash of attacks over someone stealing a chick that someone wanted to barfine. Over 10 years of going to Thailand and I have not seen one instance of this in the news or on the ground.[/QUOTE]Mr. ENT: Candidly, that's 'cause everyone is shit scared of you! JK!

Yeah, most people just chill. And I for one usually rationalize something like that by saying to myself that the Universe is conspiring against me. And then I try to move to one of the other Universes. Hey, we are after all in the Multiverse, my man!

No problem!

I have been to Pattaya couple of months ago.

Had intercourse with 6 girls.

This was the first place that I tried.

Went here around 4 pm.

There was a fishbowl.

My friend and I went inside and took a look at girls.

Girls are lined up according to price (more pricier girls in left hand corner).

Saw a beauty she was priced at 2500 bahts.

Paid it and then the girl came and accompanied me to a room upstairs.

Room was average.

We took a bath together.

And then she cleaned my junior and started a soapy massage, massage was lousy.

I didn't mind it because that not why I came.

Then she went to bed and straightaway gave me a BJ with condom.

Then we had sex in couple of positions.

Sex was mechanical and I don't recommend this place.

Anyhow tipped her 300 bahts.

My friend on the other hand had a great time with the girl he choose.

She has given him contact info to call her when she was getting off work.

I found this site about a month back. I didn't know there was a resource like this out here. So I've been Mongering for awhile US, Germany, Mexico, etc. So I now setting my sights to Thailand. But of course I have questions. Most of which have been answered by reading your post. My main issue is my concern of acceptance. I'm a black American, and I would hate to travel all the way to Thailand and get faced with 'no not here' treatment. Any seasoned explorers know if I'll be free to enjoy myself as all of you do or should I ply my interest else where? Of I will be logging my every experience here once on my trip.

Happy hunting,

Commander.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1871760]The only question is " how low do you go ". Hahaha LOL! .[/QUOTE]For as low as one goes in Thailand, another foreigner will go lower!

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1872268]For as low as one goes in Thailand, another foreigner will go lower![/QUOTE]LOL. The crack shacks are a testament to that! If I ever see lower than that I will have to shake my damn head.

[QUOTE=CmdrK;1872252]I found this site about a month back. I didn't know there was a resource like this out here. [/QUOTE]Welcome Commander!

[QUOTE=CmdrK;1872252]My main issue is my concern of acceptance. I'm a black American, and I would hate to travel all the way to Thailand and get faced with 'no not here' treatment. Any seasoned explorers know if I'll be free to enjoy myself as all of you do or should I ply my interest else where? Of I will be logging my every experience here once on my trip.[/QUOTE]Others will likely dissent, but I would not worry if I were you. I myself am a Brown American, and the worst thing that happens to me is that I get confused for an Indian. Sorry to say this to my Indian friends, but there is a definite reputation around the Indians. But Africans or African Americans are a very different class. Everyone has their own preferences, and individual girls won't favor the dark skin. But in general, I have never seen any wide-spread systemic rejection of dark-skinned mongers. I've spent lots of time with several brothers from various parts of the States, and they have all had a killer time. In particular, I met this dude from New York a few years ago and we just ripped through Bangkok together, never once encountering any kind of rejection or resentment (at least not beyond the norm). I also had a Ugandan wingman for a week or so (although he'd say I was his wingman), and he got treated like the African prince that he was.

So in short, I would say come to Thailand. It will blow your fucking socks off.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1872313]Welcome Commander!

Others will likely dissent, but I would not worry if I were you. I myself am a Brown American, and the worst thing that happens to me is that I get confused for an Indian. Sorry to say this to my Indian friends, but there is a definite reputation around the Indians. But Africans or African Americans are a very different class. Everyone has their own preferences, and individual girls won't favor the dark skin. But in general, I have never seen any wide-spread systemic rejection of dark-skinned mongers. I've spent lots of time with several brothers from various parts of the States, and they have all had a killer time. In particular, I met this dude from New York a few years ago and we just ripped through Bangkok together, never once encountering any kind of rejection or resentment (at least not beyond the norm). I also had a Ugandan wingman for a week or so (although he'd say I was his wingman), and he got treated like the African prince that he was.

So in short, I would say come to Thailand. It will blow your fucking socks off.[/QUOTE]There is a HUUUGE difference between how Thai girls view black guys vs Indians! Most Thai girls are concerned about the size of a black guys dick (sorry butt (pun intended) stereotypes prevail) , whereas with Indians. Not so much! Haha. 😜.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1872320]There is a HUUUGE difference between how Thai girls view black guys vs Indians! Most Thai girls are concerned about the size of a black guys dick (sorry butt (pun intended) stereotypes prevail) , whereas with Indians. Not so much! Haha. .[/QUOTE]LOL. Very true.

But let me add, lest my comments about Indians spin off into a flame war, that with a little attention to appearance (clothing, hair, body odor, shoes, facial hair, etc), and proper adherence to customs regarding tipping, buying drinks, etc. , one can easily overcome these prejudices.

My Chinese wife and I will visit Thailand in late May / early June, with 2 nights in Bangkok, two nights in Pattaya, and five in Koh Lanta. My wife likes to play with other girls when we travel, to the point that we both arrived home from the Philippines sick with colds from staying up all night for a few nights playing with a newfound GF there. So she is excited, and that excites me.

While we certainly are prepared for P4P, we prefer to meet a 'girlfriend' type like we did in Manila, someone who might even like to travel with us down to Koh Lanta. We would love to have a pretty fun girl with us as we relax on the beach down there.

Is Bangkok or Pattaya better for this? Does anyone have any experience meeting girls to join you and your partner? If paying is the way to go, are there recommendations of people or places in either Bangkok or Pattaya?

Thank you very much for any information you can give.

[QUOTE=IraJohnson;1872365]My Chinese wife and I will visit Thailand in late May / early June, with 2 nights in Bangkok, two nights in Pattaya, and five in Koh Lanta. My wife likes to play with other girls when we travel, to the point that we both arrived home from the Philippines sick with colds from staying up all night for a few nights playing with a newfound GF there. So she is excited, and that excites me.

While we certainly are prepared for P4P, we prefer to meet a 'girlfriend' type like we did in Manila, someone who might even like to travel with us down to Koh Lanta. We would love to have a pretty fun girl with us as we relax on the beach down there.

Is Bangkok or Pattaya better for this? Does anyone have any experience meeting girls to join you and your partner? If paying is the way to go, are there recommendations of people or places in either Bangkok or Pattaya?

Thank you very much for any information you can give.[/QUOTE]Depends on your attractiveness and game. You could try discos and your wife could make eye contact and get flirty. The girls will pick up on this and decide to partake. You could try social media dating sites. Finding bisexual girls can be tricky. For instance most girls have a close pal. The downside is if that pal attractive enough in your book. To me its like the girl picked the third wheel which is bad if you have differing tastes. Asia is not the best for 3 some but you can pull it off if you do your homework. If you have to resort to P4P the mamasan can be a big help sometimes. Girls can be "shy" if its not a female they are familiar with.

[QUOTE=CmdrK;1872252]I found this site about a month back. I didn't know there was a resource like this out here. So I've been Mongering for awhile US, Germany, Mexico, etc. So I now setting my sights to Thailand. But of course I have questions. Most of which have been answered by reading your post. My main issue is my concern of acceptance. I'm a black American, and I would hate to travel all the way to Thailand and get faced with 'no not here' treatment. Any seasoned explorers know if I'll be free to enjoy myself as all of you do or should I ply my interest else where? Of I will be logging my every experience here once on my trip.

Happy hunting,

Commander.[/QUOTE]You will be OK. The Philippines is better / cheaper but it is more dangerous and rich North Asians have messed up the system by overpaying. If your doing a short trip say 2 weeks it will be stellar. Usually the discrimination and problems arise when you do a long trip say 3 mos. Because then you see locals up close and personal.

[QUOTE=IraJohnson;1872365]My Chinese wife and I will visit Thailand in late May / early June, with 2 nights in Bangkok, two nights in Pattaya, and five in Koh Lanta. My wife likes to play with other girls when we travel, to the point that we both arrived home from the Philippines sick with colds from staying up all night for a few nights playing with a newfound GF there. So she is excited, and that excites me.

While we certainly are prepared for P4P, we prefer to meet a 'girlfriend' type like we did in Manila, someone who might even like to travel with us down to Koh Lanta. We would love to have a pretty fun girl with us as we relax on the beach down there.

Is Bangkok or Pattaya better for this? Does anyone have any experience meeting girls to join you and your partner? If paying is the way to go, are there recommendations of people or places in either Bangkok or Pattaya?

Thank you very much for any information you can give.[/QUOTE]Only two nights in Bangkok and two nights in Pattaya to find someone who is happy to be in an FFM threesome is not much time. It almost limits your options to P4 P.

I suggest you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana and trawl the agogo clubs there and ask the mamasan in the clubs for a good lead. Then interview that girl and take her for LT. That will give you some time to get to know her. You don't have time enough to first try a few ST with different girls and then upgrade the best of them to LT before you have to decide and invite her.

If you don't find someone in Bangkok, there is still Patttaya, but if you can still change your schedule, why not stay 4 days in Bangkok or Pattaya: it will give you more opportunity to check out what is available, test, compare and decide.

My second day in Pattaya involved me getting up late after the amorous encounter with a freelancer from outside the club. My aim this trip was to find girls from different avenues. This time it was Thai Friendly.

I had made a profile a month before my visit and was in touch with many. However while browsing on the second day I found a girl working at a massage shop on the Beach Road. Had some chat with her and thought of trying her out. Went for a foot massage on incognito mode. She did not know I was the one chatting as I had not posted my pic on the website. The girl was nice and soft spoken and open for me to take her upstairs for an Oil massage. I stuck to my foot massage to further evaluate her. She was nice and looked like a GFE material.

Took her number and decided to meet her after her shift which was going to be at 1700 Hrs. Decided to meet her at the Pattaya Beer Garden for some snacks and drinks. A couple of drinks later, decided to take it to my room.

The sex was good. The experience with her great. As I had analyzed a proper GFE.

When she was about to leave gave her 800 for her room rent. She was happy.

As soon as I stepped out to see her off someone spayed me with water. I knew 'winter err Songkran was coming.'

Cheers,

J

[QUOTE=Haven123;1872320]There is a HUUUGE difference between how Thai girls view black guys vs Indians! Most Thai girls are concerned about the size of a black guys dick (sorry butt (pun intended) stereotypes prevail) , whereas with Indians. Not so much! Haha. .[/QUOTE]Unless, the brother is from the Democratic Republic of Congo or has some related gene from that region he shouldn't be turn away?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1872325]LOL. Very true.

But let me add, lest my comments about Indians spin off into a flame war, that with a little attention to appearance (clothing, hair, body odor, shoes, facial hair, etc), and proper adherence to customs regarding tipping, buying drinks, etc. , one can easily overcome these prejudices.[/QUOTE]I agree. I am an Indian and have been mongering in BKK and Pattyya for quite some time. I also faced some discriminatory behavior at places. Though I am definitely not kept.

Wanting in any area. Be it personal hygiene, or looks, or splashing money on bar girls and buying drinks. I am extremely welcome in most of the Thai establishments (off walking.

Street) and tend to avoid the upstart MIXX and Insomnia- maybe they do not need my business, I am happy to take it elsewhere. Pussy is on Tap in Pattayya & Bangkok -.

There's enough available not to worry. And in all fairness. I have seen some pretty obnoxious groups of Indian tourists (loud, bit stingy, boorish etc) but I have also seen far more.

Western males getting completely drunk and brawling, bar fighting, puking on streets etc.

Racism and discrimination is a way of life in Thailand. Even the famous Rapper Ribkat was thrown out of a Bangkok hotel for being. Well, black! One of my African American friends (Ivy League college, in Tuxedos and all.) was denied entry to Mixx. If you face unfriendliness, just move on.

There's many many places where you would be welcome and its not worth worrying about!

[QUOTE=CmdrK;1872252]My main issue is my concern of acceptance. I'm a black American, and I would hate to travel all the way to Thailand and get faced with 'no not here' treatment. Any seasoned explorers know if I'll be free to enjoy myself as all of you do or should I ply my interest else where? Of I will be logging my every experience here once on my trip.[/QUOTE]Commander K,

I'm a black guy from the State as well I just got back from Thailand over a month ago still working on my reports, it was my first time to the land of smiles. I traveled to Phuket, Pattaya & Bangkok and had no problems meeting ladies for fun. From soapy, go-go and streetwalkers. Just keep and smile on your smile and a positive attitude and you have the time of your life!

[QUOTE=IraJohnson;1872365]My Chinese wife and I will visit Thailand in late May / early June, with 2 nights in Bangkok, two nights in Pattaya, and five in Koh Lanta.[/QUOTE]We've met a few times in Shanghai, and I moved to Bangkok last year. I've no experience at all with this, but here's what I would do. 1) Put an ad on Craigslist 2) I wouldn't go to the agogos, as they wouldn't want to go with you long-term and would also be very pricey. 3) I would go to Beer Garden on soi 7 and then Bangkok Beat disco or the many other places where freelancers hangout. You're not very long in any place, so CL may be a good start before you get here. Good luck!

BTW, tried to PM you. But your mailbox is full. Hope to see you next week.

[QUOTE=CmdrK;1872252]I found this site about a month back. I didn't know there was a resource like this out here. So I've been Mongering for awhile US, Germany, Mexico, etc. So I now setting my sights to Thailand. But of course I have questions. Most of which have been answered by reading your post. My main issue is my concern of acceptance. I'm a black American, and I would hate to travel all the way to Thailand and get faced with 'no not here' treatment. Any seasoned explorers know if I'll be free to enjoy myself as all of you do or should I ply my interest else where? Of I will be logging my every experience here once on my trip.

Happy hunting,

Commander.[/QUOTE]I live in Thailand part time and I am black. Have many black friends that live and visit. Never had a problem.

Drop me a pm if you want more info. No use boring the others with details they already know.

Slept late till around 1200 and could hear commotion out of my hotel located on the walking street. Peeped out and realized Songkran has caught up to me. The hotel I was staying at had its water connection cut. From the Pattaya Muncipality department (as per the hotel) and I was given a bucket full of water to shave shit shag and bath. I was in two minds to go out on this day and get all dirty but still decided- WTF let's just embrace it.

The atmosphere outside was festive and everyone was enjoying. The beach road was full of people with small concerts organized at strategic locations. I tried out the local cuisine displayed alongside TE road and scourged for a girl I could take to hotel. There were many MILFS who were just drinking like a fish and just wanted to have a nice time. All the young girls were with boyfriends and were not looking for business on this day. The street was milling with people of different countries and it was a good experience. Oh and yes I was being drenched in water and talcum powder mixed with water.

The festivities continued till 2130 Hrs. At this point everyone left for home all tired. Mind that there were no Massage shops or bars open.

Tips:

1. If you want to monger on Songkran I. E. The main day, don't come to Pattaya.

2. Don't have travel plans on the the day as you would be just stuck in the snail paced traffic.

3. Protect your valuables like cellphones passports and money by buying a waterproof wallet. Max 40 Baht.

4. Protect your ears and eyes while going out. The quality of water and the force at which it would be thrown at you can not be predicted.

5. Do not pick up fights during this time anywhere. If you are there in Pattaya out on the streets, it is a non verbal consent from your side that you can be drenched in water. No point in picking up fights with locals who are drunk and might possibly be high on drugs.

6. Keep yourself hydrated at all times.

7. Do not display (in your infinite wisdom stemming from being drunk) any private parts which might offend the Thai people. I saw a very drunk ladyboy who was flashing her private parts being taken away by boys in brown.

8. Do not drink the water being thrown at you- I. E. Keep your mouth shut whilst you are being drenched.

Cheers,

J

[QUOTE=LeisureDude;1872501]Commander K,

I'm a black guy from the State as well I just got back from Thailand over a month ago still working on my reports, it was my first time to the land of smiles. I traveled to Phuket, Pattaya & Bangkok and had no problems meeting ladies for fun. From soapy, go-go and streetwalkers. Just keep and smile on your smile and a positive attitude and you have the time of your life![/QUOTE]Thanks for the warm welcome! And you all have set my mind at ease. I'll be leaving soon for my romp in the land of smiles. And every detail I'll post. Hitting it with a buddy of mine. I inform when I have a more specific date in mind and welcome any other of my brethren to join me when you can.

Thanks again!

Commander.

Do Blowjob Bars exist?

I'm sorry for the stupid question, but years ago I heard about blowjob bars in Thailand / Pattaya. They were bars where you could sit and get a beer, and then pay for a girl / woman / old woman? To get under your table and give you a blowjob while you drink, for like 20 minutes+.

Do these places actually exist or is it an urban myth?

How much does it cost?

Are the women hot or are they kinda rejects?

I'm in South East Asia but not Thailand yet.

Anyone have any suggestions? Given the heat index in May, I'd rather have AC, than not, if I'm going to spend an hour on a massage.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1873342]Anyone have any suggestions? Given the heat index in May, I'd rather have AC, than not, if I'm going to spend an hour on a massage.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You got to be kidding right? I've never been to a massage place here in Pattaya, and that includes Soi B.....even the worse dump have A/C and I've been here a while. But of course anything is possible?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1873376]You got to be kidding right? I've never been to a massage place here in Pattaya, and that includes Soi B.....even the worse dump have A/C and I've been here a while. But of course anything is possible?[/QUOTE]Thanks, dude. BTW I was not kidding. The only time I have been to Pattaya was years ago and all I visited was 1'soapie in some huge building. No idea where or the name. It is all a blur now.

But, with your info I plan to try out one in Soi Buakhao. Thanks! Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1873615]Thanks, dude. BTW I was not kidding. The only time I have been to Pattaya was years ago and all I visited was 1'soapie in some huge building. No idea where or the name. It is all a blur now.

But, with your info I plan to try out one in Soi Buakhao. Thanks! Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Well there are about 50 massage shops on Soi Buakhao, so you will have your pick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1873617]Well there are about 50 massage shops on Soi Buakhao, so you will have your pick.[/QUOTE]Haha, Mr Ent. Well I guess I will have to see which one has a Mr Ent special that day? I'll tell them you sent me!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1873628]Haha, Mr Ent. Well I guess I will have to see which one has a Mr Ent special that day? I'll tell them you sent me![/QUOTE]If you are looking for a legit one, give Eden a try it is located on Soi Diana just off the entrance to L. K. Metro where all the Go Go are located.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1873640]If you are looking for a legit one, give Eden a try it is located on Soi Diana just off the entrance to L. K. Metro where all the Go Go are located.[/QUOTE]Thanks, LBM. I will check it out and post my feedback on Soi Buakhao during the upcoming week. I like hanging out with the pros but I prefer the non-pros (or semi pros) when I am ready. In my experience unless there is some special chemistry, the higher the girl is on the 1-10 scale, the lower is my experience once away from the club. There are exceptions of course, but I prefer to play the higher % stats. OF course, YMMV may wary if you are a young, hot dude, which I am not. LOL 😟.

But, I do ok sometimes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1873617]Well there are about 50 massage shops on Soi Buakhao, so you will have your pick.[/QUOTE]Or you will have your dick if you don't pay attention, LOL!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1873644]Thanks, LBM. I will check it out and post my feedback on Soi Buakhao during the upcoming week. I like hanging out with the pros but I prefer the non-pros (or semi pros) when I am ready. In my experience unless there is some special chemistry, the higher the girl is on the 1-10 scale, the lower is my experience once away from the club. There are exceptions of course, but I prefer to play the higher % stats. OF course, YMMV may wary if you are a young, hot dude, which I am not. LOL .

But, I do ok sometimes.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for anything but a legit one this is not the place to go. The majority of the ladies here are nothing to look at fun to shoot the bull around with them but they are there to toss you around like a rag doll.

Woke early as per my own standards. Went for a hefty European breakfast in a cafe opposite the Mixx disco. Was one of the beat breakfast I had. Coffee was unlimited however it was slightly on a higher side as compared to Pattaya standards. 300 be.

While having breakfast I saw a single Caucasian girl sitting alone and having brunch in the cafe. I am not sure what happened to me but a few glances from her gave the courage to say 'Privet'. And bingo she was indeed Russian. She thought I knew Russian language but I apologetically said I was not aware and it was just a lame ass attempt from my side to say Hi. Anyways we shared stories and told her how I had been to Murmansk a western city in Russia and how her home was closer to that place. Ended up exchanging numbers.

Post the hearty breakfast went for Foot massage in a shop in the second road. Took a baht bus to Soi six and strolled a bit. Found a girl that took my fancy. Grabbed her a drink. Took her upstairs and baam baam thank you ma'am. All inclusive 1250 be.

Came back and took a nap in the room and woke up around 2000 Hrs. Went out and had some local cuisine. Got a bottle of water and took a stroll of the Beach road. Found a MILF age approx 35 (looks 30- don't they all). Found her upbeat and eager to please. She said long time 2000 be. I smilingly asked her- you don't like me? She got the hint. I said 1000 LT and a dinner thrown in. She happily agreed. I asked what time would you leave. She said up to you. Fair enough.

Headed back to hotel.

Took shower together. No marks on belly although she was a mother of two. Boobs big enough to excite me. Skin was flawless. Had a soft and passionate session later. Throughly exhausted we took shower again and went for dinner. Went to a good seafood restaurant and had some proper dinner. Bill was 550 be. Popped my K pill for future support.

Came back to hotel and had two more pops before calling it a night. She was eager to please since she thought I would repeat as I was staying for a week more. Woke early morning. I asked for another pop. She said she was having pain down there (maybe maybe not). She offered BBBJ. I was a happy man.

She left 8 in the morning after giving me her number.

3 pops + 1 BBBJ: 1000+ 550 (dinner) not bad.

Meanwhile I saw the message of the Russian girl in the morning. She had texted late night at 3 am but I did not read as I was busy in other amorous activities.

[QUOTE=Harry2;1873251]Do Blowjob Bars exist?

I'm sorry for the stupid question, but years ago I heard about blowjob bars in Thailand / Pattaya. They were bars where you could sit and get a beer, and then pay for a girl / woman / old woman? To get under your table and give you a blowjob while you drink, for like 20 minutes+.

Do these places actually exist or is it an urban myth?

How much does it cost?

Are the women hot or are they kinda rejects?

I'm in South East Asia but not Thailand yet.[/QUOTE]The BJ bars in Nana BKK and Cowboy pretty much had 4's and below. A lot of them had bad teeth and I wouldn't do them for free. Some elderly men have lower standards but I have seen some with higher standards. Most guys don't suffer jet lag for that rag tag lineup. For 85% of guys they won't stimulate a hard-on and that era with passable BJ girls ended 10-15 years ago.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1873777]If you are looking for anything but a legit one this is not the place to go. The majority of the ladies here are nothing to look at fun to shoot the bull around with them but they are there to toss you around like a rag doll.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks much. BTW any places near Central Festival you recommend for changing USD at a good rate without commission?

Thanks and cheers.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1874099] any places near Central Festival you recommend for changing USD at a good rate without commission?

[/QUOTE]Across the street on 2nd Road right beside Pattaya Night Bazaar has decent rates. I think the sign is pink and says Money Exchange. The further away you are from somewhere touristy like Walking Street the better rates you will find.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1874099]Ok thanks much. BTW any places near Central Festival you recommend for changing USD at a good rate without commission?

Thanks and cheers.[/QUOTE]There is a place booth, that I've found to have pretty consistent high compare to others. It is at the Avenue mall down from Soi Diana. As for commission everyone charges. Before you see the rate posted the commission / Fee is already taken out.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 6.

I am back online! I left Pattaya a week ago but have been offline. I am now in Phuket, but I need to wrap up the last two nights in Pattaya. So back to a week ago last Sunday, I believe.

Today was a day of repeats. I walked up and down Soi 6 a few times in the mid afternoon. I found one girl, Nam at Dolls. Decent smile, decent body with apparently nice boobs. We went inside, she got my drink and we sat down. She said she was from Bangkok. I assumed she was an Issan girl. Claimed to have been there just 12 days. Conversation was difficult. I offered her a LD, which she accepted. She drank a little of it, but our personalities just weren't matching up. Conversation was difficult. She left me to go talk so some friends, and I figured that she felt the same way about how things were going. I started paying my bill, and she then came over like what's happening man? I just shrugged and left. Pretty face, cute figure and decent legs, but oh well. I walked back by later and she looked at me, like she was hoping I would cover back over, but I didn't. I felt a session would not be all that good and left and felt it was time to head back to WS. It would be early there, but I have not been sleeping, was tired and wanted to check things out earlier and possibly retire back to the hotel with my prize girl earlier as well.

So I am exiting Soi 6 to the west, then Jiem at Halifax grabs on to me. I let her take me inside, a bit reluctantly, but she is so happy so, ok, why not have a drink before I head back. We sit down, at which point she soon starts to play with johnny boy. OK, rather than strike out at Soi 6 today, I give in and we go upstairs. I was in for fireworks. This girl was on fire. After Bee and Fon, it was my time to lie there, and this tiny girl tries to suck me dry. A good 10 minutes of oral action. Lots of FK. I am blown away. Then she climbs on top and starts banging to where I would have died of a heart attack where I to try doing that. Cowboy, reverse cowboy, cowboy with her leaning way back, cowboy with we me holding her sitting upright (about the only movement I actually did), and this tiny thing just kept on going. I was amazed at this energizer bunny. Never seen anything like this. Not sure if she was climaxing or trying to or was just performing for me, but if you are wanting a sexual dynamo, Jiem is your girl. I never finished, since I didn't want to as I had decided to go back for Bell, but man oh man. I tipped her 50%.

After that, back to the hotel for cleanup and a short nap, then on to WS by 9 PM. I really don't want to stay out late. I have been so tired. I need rest. I know that after Bee left me yesterday, I dropped off to sleep in minutes. Having Bell sleep over would be nice, but I know she doesn't like LT. But first, I walk up and down the street a few times. I am getting drenched from the heat, humidity and walking. I see I-Bar not too busy, I go in, find a seat near the front, and order a diet coke to get some caffeine, possibly not my wisest decision if I want to sleep later. I eye a girl across the room but she does not seem too interested. Two friends join her, but I have to be too old for any of them. Well, Pam was ok with me, but I think she was looked to get laid and paid, and I don' t sense that so much from these girls, but what do I know? Oh, no Pam sighting either. (The girl who took 1,000 baht from me a few nights ago.).

I leave and check for potential FL girls, and there are a few decent ones, but not what I am looking for. So, back to Sugar Baby. I go in, sit down and within minutes Bee has spotted me and comes over. We talk a bit and, yes, she wants to go out with me again. I am a little concerned, wondering if she will act shy and reserved again, or if she will open up. (My previous experience with her was nearly spiritual, but that was due to me and not anything she was doing, which was little, actually.) But, on that night, her beauty was all I needed. She was again super-hot in her jean shorts and tight shirt when we left. I have to bite my hand to keep me from spouting undying love and appearing like a blithering idiot here. But to save time in my report, back in bed she was the same as the night before. My endorphin levels were lower and reality thankfully started slipping back into place as I expected they would. The spirituality I had felt previously was gone with her lackluster performance. Still so, so beautiful, but one needs a woman to respond, and she wasn't. And, like the night before, I still couldn't release. She let me try. I would give up, rest a few minutes and climb back on. I even changed to a different condom. Nothing helped. I lied close to her, even put my head in her lap and she rubbed it soothingly, but she did nothing more, such as offering a BJ, a HG or something to help get me off. Sigh. She gets dressed and asked if I will see her tomorrow. I just say "maybe". At this point, what is the use? She was indeed turning out to be a starfish, and I would rather not face anymore disappointments. Maybe I will go back to see Bell, finally keeping my promise to her. That girl is full of energy, so I don't expect her to just lie still. Maybe first I will go back to Soi 6. Maybe I will look for a FL. Maybe I should just go to sleep.

But I have to admit that I am getting a bit weary here in Pattaya, after tying so hard to be with 2 or 3 women each day. I have one more day here, then off to Bangkok to meet up with my age 40 year Thai virgin GF. I will spend a week with her, and hopefully ensure she is not a age 41 year virgin, then I will go to Phuket for 4 nights then either I will rejoin my GF in Bangkok or even Phuket, or return to Pattaya for 5 days before returning home.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 7 (Monday) Final Day.

Another bad night of sleep, but better than the previous day. But this my last full day in Pattaya. What to do? I think I will write off Bee, the classy beauty that leaves me drooling in her short shorts and tight top. She is an awesome girl, but after two visits she isn't loosening up to become more GF-like, and I still can't release with her (though mostly my fault), so I need to find someone else for some excitement. Plus, I don't come all this way just to be with the same girl time after time. I recommend her totally, and hope she will be energetic with you, and if any of you see her in the next week, let me know, in case I return to Pattaya before heading home. Sweet girl who you will droll over, but did I ruin her with me on my first night's instructions to go slow, or is that how she is? Regardless, I won't see her tonight.

I had thought of going back to Kinneree today, but I like to be able to choose from a wider variety of women, and getting back from there is a bit risky if you don't have your own vehicle, so I decide that I will instead head back to Soi 6 for the afternoon session. I think I will get a massage, too, as I legitimately need one as well. Might use it to see if extras are available at some random MP, but the last thing I need is a hard tug down there after that performance by Jiem. Then it will be back to WS to close out the night with, I hope, a stunner. I am thinking of taking Bell home (ok, maybe not quite a stunner, but definitely a killer body), but I will look around first. A FL is always an option.

So, I headed off to Soi 6 around 3 PM. The traffic going north on 2nd road has been much worse that I recall it being previously. I decided to start walking rather than sit still in a baht bus baking in the sun. I would hop on one once they had caught up. I was able to walk quite a ways before the traffic finally caught up with me, at which point I waved one down and hopped one. Arriving at the Soi, I didn't want to spend much time searching, so on my second pass I settle on a decent looking girl who blew me a kiss as I walked by the Pussy Club. She had a cute face and decent legs and nice figure, but I couldn't tell at first glance about her boobies. I stopped to say Hello, and she immediately told me she wanted boom boom. I said I was hot and thirsty and wanted a cold beverage first. Inside, I asked her name, and it was Nam. Hmm, I just met a girl named Nam. Must be a common name. I asked where she was from and she said Bangkok. Hmmm. I recently met a girl who said she recently moved down from Bangkok 13 days ago. Hmmm, but I know I have never been to the Pussy Club, so this must be coincidence. But, I am starting to remember a few things (remember I am in a bit of a fog from exhaustion). This is starting to seem too familiar. Do I know her? I asked if she knew me as even the inside of the bar was bringing memories, but she said she didn't think so. Well, after the session, I checked my notes and dern, this was indeed the same girl I walked out on a day or two before for not making a connection with me, but I had the club name wrong in my report. The two bars are close and I looked at the wrong sign. Sigh.

My gut reaction from the day before was largely correct. We still didn't really hit it off but I BFed her, 350 for the BF and 1000 for her. She gave a less than average shower, then immediately started the session with a BBBJ, though she at least kept it slow. It really wasn't too bad. She then asked if I liked things fast or slow as she put on the cover, and did fairly well on top throughout several positions. But, while the service was ok, it was nothing special, and she was not the least upset I couldn't release. Practically every other girl on Soi 6 took it as a challenge to get me off and felt sad when they couldn't. Not Nam. I normally tip 200, but I gave her just 100.

I left and came back down to Soi 13, then walked over to Soi 13/2. I was searching for food, but when a halfway cute girl came out to offer me a massage, I said ok. I really should be getting more of these as they are so cheap. I asked for a one hour oil massage for 300. The cute girl was just a front though, and I was handed off to the real masseuse who, on average, was ok, being at least doable. If she offered boom boom, I could at least do her to chalk up another conquest. I have never done a Soi 13/1, 2 or 3 massage before so I was curious what would happen. Would it be legit massage or would all the extras be offered? She led me to a private area and told me to strip down for a shower. It was a solo shower. Legit so far. She did the back rub then on the flip, she soon got to the boys for some gentle, well lubricated rubbing and tugging, and asked if I wanted her to continue. Of course, how much? She finally said she wanted 1500 extra for basically a suck and rub. No, that is too much, I can get FS for less than that on Soi 6 I said. She shrugged and said fine, and too quickly finished the rest of the massage. I confirmed later on the clock I had been in there less than 40 minutes. I still tipped 300, as I have heard the girls only get to keep the tips. Perhaps I should have complained about the time, but I didn't really care. I did not get the name of the MP, sorry, nor the girl. I suppose most MPs operate similarity, though I thought many also offered FS. Only advice is to be prepared for a legit massage, then happy if more is offered at a price you want to pay. If a cute girl comes out to ask you if you want a massage, again, unless you are happy with a legit massage, ask if she will be the one giving it. If you are really wanting extras, make sure the girl you think will be doing the job is the one you will be assigned to.

Back to the hotel after the massage and a failed quest to find suitable food. I guess I will eat on WS tonight.

I am writing this a week after the events happened, which is good for you in that the reporting will be shorter. Anyway, I rested back at the hotel, then headed back to WS for my last night in Pattaya. I avoided I-Bar, and I avoided stopping by Peppermint and Fon. I have decided to give up on her. Just not worth it. So will I go BF Bell, the tight spinner? I think maybe I will go to Skyfall first, but I am walking down WS and see Bliss, a club I have not tired. I go in and find a seat. They have some nice girls dancing on stage. At the far end one catches my attention. She is very pretty, has the goldenish hair I like, nice boobs which are a good handful, just starting to droop but still very nice at this point and looking firm, nice figure than may be a pound over from too many LDs, but no problem. As the songs play, the dancers change position in the line, so she moves closer and closer to me. I begin to realize why she is attractive to me because she has the same hair and build that Fon does. I look at a few other girls in the lineup, but this girl is enticing me and I start to consider BFing her. She reaches the end of the stage and seems to notice my looking at her. She smiles. As the leaves the stage she turns and I see her back for the first time. She has a familiar looking tattoo on her back. No, come on, it can't be! She recognizes me, and she grabs a butch-looking friend and they are coming over to sit with me. What the heck?

Yes, it is Fon and she no longer works at the Peppermint. I don't know why. Something happened, but I am not sure whose idea it was. I think she probably got fired. We talk a bit. She says she wants to go with me, and I think I hear her talk with her friend about going to a disco. Is she hitting me up simply to get her and her friend out of there to go dancing in a disco? I refuse to BF her friend, and she is happy with this. Long story short, the BF is a whopping 1,500 at Bliss. Insane! But we leave (and Bee looks hotter than Fon in jeans and tight shirt) and she wants to go to the Peppermint! Great. I do think it might be fun, forgetting that I might very well be hit up for a tone of LDs. So, of course, when we enter Wam sees me immediately (how does she know? And the whole lot come over for LDs. I limit them to 2. I mention to Luk I should get one on the house, and I do. Everyone seems happy, and I still have no idea what caused Fon to leave. Eventually we leavefor the hotel, with me not sure what will happen. No mention of her price or if it will be ST or LT.

Well, cutting to the chase, of course nothing happens. She spends the night but it is hands off. She is constantly on her phone. I touch her, even climb on her even, and while she does not pull away, she does nothing in the way of doing her job. We do talk, but no action. It is now too late to take her back to Bliss for a refund. We go to sleep. In the morning I try to make a move, but nothing. I repeat my wondering of why she doesn't like me. (I know, I should be yelling at her.) She scoffs at the idea and asks why I would say that. (I mean, really?) Too, in my own mind, I am mad at myself for letting a WG bring up these types of feelings I was having. What has her liking me have anything to do with a business transaction? I say I want boom boom. Her not having boom boom with me shows she must not like me. She said she having her period. Bull, I think. She slept naked and there are no blood stains. And there were no blood several nights ago. I figure getting angry won't do any good as I am about to leave town, but I do ask to take some pictures of her, dressed. Maybe I will post one later. I say I don't know how much to pay her as nothing happened, again. She said to pay whatever I wanted. Well, I didn't want to pay her anything. I did give her some money, but I will decline to say how much as some of you will get upset even if it was a single baht. I did give her more than she deserved, but whatever. I am too nice. I am not a happy camper though. The phone rang any my Bell driver was there, early. I was ready, as was she, and with a final hug we went down stairs together. She got her ID and left without looking at me. I saw her go across the street and get a motorcycle driver. She did look over as they got on and did wave goodbye. Argh.

Why did she go out with me? I don't really know. Did she just want to get away from Bliss? She knew from before I might not pay for non-service, so do these girls get to keep a part of their BF? I have no idea why she would decide to sleep over with me with no assurance I would pay her anything if she didn't perform. I did learn a little about her in talking however. Her mother told her she needs to work harder to buy her a car. Fon goes on international trips of some sort to earn money, and she goes to Malesia and Singapore to have sex several times a year. It just seems matter-of-fact to her. She misses her daughter, but her mom is telling her to work more, so she does. Just like that. I said she needed to have fun on her own, and I got a blank stare, like going off to have fun was a foreign concept. A shame. I said she could find rich men to marry. She said a Japanese man wanted to marry her. He would spend time with her but no sex. He apparently couldn't marry her due to her kid not be allowed in Japan if they married, or something like that. But still why not have sex with me? I don't understand. Whatever. I guess she is using me for something. She says she wants to see me if I come back to Pattaya next week. Of course she does. I had mentioned I might be back in November. She says she will be out on her business trip in November. I say I will be going to Phuket soon. She lights up, joking about me asking her go to Phuket. Sure. Four nights sleeping next to her and no boom boom would drive me insane.

A few days later, out of curiosity, I got onto Line and wished her good luck. She blows me back a kiss. Sigh. I can't figure this one out.

Anyway, you can spare me the lectures on not falling for gogo dancers. Really, I have not fallen for her. I am challenged by her. I find her attractive and I am drawn to her, but I am not in love with her. She is an interesting case and I am drawn to that I guess. I have plenty of money I can blow on her if that is what I want, but at this point now it sure seems like a wasted effort. I would return to see Bell before I would return to see Fon.

So, part 1 of my LOS trip to Pattaya is over. It ended on a frustrating note and with no releases for the last few days, but that is OK. I am off to Bangkok for a week in what will be another failed attempt to take my Thai GF's virginity. I don't yet know that, so I am hoping that having no releases will help me fill my GF up for her first sexual penetration. But, no, I end frustrated. She is the type of girl a guy should want to marry. Just this one little problem I can't break through. We have tried everything, but that little opening just won't open up. Lube, alcholol. Nothing works. A gyno got a finger or two up in there to confirm all is healthy, but I even touch the opening and she tenses and gets scared. I tell her she needs to practice with fingers and things and learn to relax. This girl is special, but no marriage if she can't get rid of that little problem.

Anyway, this concludes Part 1 of my Pattaya trip report. I say part 1 as I am scheduled to return here for 5 nights after leaving Phuket and before heading home. The GF wanted me to take her to Phuket. I said not until at least Saturday. I said I might need to head home suddenly but, if not, then I might call her down to Phuket. If I do, I will have to move out of Patong. I would get a nice hotel closer to the islands and other attractions. I would probably for sure be doing this if we were having sex. But without the sex, it is almost like she is a daughter. Sigh. I will probably lie, say I am heading back home, but really stay here and complete my vacation as planned. I am evil. Maybe that is why Fon was sent to frustrate me. Haha If you want to follow my adventures, I will soon be on the Phuket boards.

Peamble: The full editor doesn't load for me so I'll keep reports short until I can have it working.

I made to Pattaya yesterday after one year. Found a nice accommodation for a small price in Naklua. That works better than staying in the darkside, as the girls would not moan about it.

Around midnight arrived at the Red Car. I did not even completed a full round when I stopped by a spinner with a fresh face and a sexy body, Kung.

She possibly 25 yrs old, certainly not from Isaan, fair skin, pretty face with full luscious lips, hot legs and figure. Nice straight dark brown hair. Quiet attitude, not an hardened pro, she didn't wanted to do LT but we kind of met midway, the agreement being 2K until early morning.

We went to a late dinner at one of the restaurants facing Hollywood disco, in the entertainment area that is virtually reserved to Thais. Not much conversation but she certainly could eat! The 500 Bt. bill, for a totally unsophisticated meal came a bit higher than what I was used to pay there.

At the 7-11 stop she indulged a bit too much in buying on me, including cigarettes!. That almost never happened to me before, but one has to take things as they come.

In the room her attitude was Ok, but she took an endless shower. She was polite and respectful all the time, and went to smoke outside. Given these signs I was a bit pessimistic, well it took a lot of pussy liking to warm her up. From there on it was decent sex, with little connection, kissing and ability on her side. She came once and myself being at the second pop, could not work her much longer.

Mouth action totally forgettable. After the act she fall asleep, but she had been told already that considering her so-so performance she would have got 1500, and she was cool with that. Since another round appeared not to be doable, she was out at 6 am in hot pants, top and stiletto heels. Thing that I don't like a bit, but she had refused to go change dresses before.

Got her number but repeat is unlikely. All in all it worked good for me for the first night.

Tonight I went out again but I was spent and couldn't play. The FL situation appears overall OK, not much male competition. After some fucking around I called it a night. I have plenty of time to do better.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1874853] Not much conversation but she certainly could eat! At the 7-11 stop she indulged a bit too much in buying on me, including cigarettes!.
Mouth action totally forgettable. After the act she fall asleep, but she had been told already that considering her so-so performance she would have got 1500, and she was cool with that. Since another round appeared not to be doable, she was out at 6 am in hot pants, top and stiletto heels. Thing that I don't like a bit, but she had refused to go change dresses before.[/QUOTE]I don't think she liked you. Didn't you chat her up any in the bar? Sometimes you can tell what kind of service your going to get within 5 seconds. If I don't get at least a smile I move on. Actually you bought dinner and smokes so you did pay more than 1500. She might have moved her ass a little more if you just gave the cash mate.

Question? Why do you care what she's wearing?

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1874873]Question? Why do you care what she's wearing?[/QUOTE]Because it is embarassing walking around not matching each other as well as when she leaves the next day wearing night time club clothes.

Well, after a 15 1/2 non stop flight from JFK to Taipei and connecting from there another 3 hour flight into BKK, it was a long, long day and about 24 hours door to BKK airport. The VT 6 people had set up a taxi guy for me who found rather quickly (and immigration was breeze with no more than 3 minutes after the long walk to the immigration area. However, the poor taxi guy as we were coming down from the escalator starts fishing for his car keys and couldn't find it !

The guy was so confused and shaken and left me to go back up and look again, as it was no where in his pockets or any of the 5 pockets in his pouch / man purse! LOL.

Returns after 15 minutes, could not find it! Then he decides to back go up again and then reappears after another 20 minutes. With the key LOL either from lost and found or one of the other taxi guys behind the cordoned off area where he was standing.

Anyways, hotter than hell at about noon and car (mini van in black!) takes about 10-15 minutes for AC to begin cooling down. Making good progress on the highway to PAttaya and suddenly the traffic backs up to a crawl for the next 30 minutes! Turns out there was an accident in the opposite direction and the car in question had hit the divider wall and was burnt to a black crisp. People slowing down to watch in our direction.

Make it to Pattaya after nearly 2. 5 hours since I cleared customs! Found TT near Soi Diana as recommended here and exchanged USD for 35 baht per USD and no commission.

Check in to VT 6 was also long as there was no one in the lobby to meet me and no Tik to be fOund. Finally after about 20 minutes two of her maids show up by the elevator come to meet and take me to my condo apt. The process then took a while to get the rental phone from them (a Galaxy s 5 new) for only 500 baht for my 16 days. It had just 100 baht on it so I will have to put more dineros in it soon. Spent a lot of time with them getting to know all the stuff about the condo and equipment in the apt.

Wifi working great and apt is super. Lobby area on the 3rd floor is a mess and IMO the set up is dated. But my apt is very very good. Love the location right next to Central Festival mall. Went there and stocked up a ton of stuff from the excellent grocery store for the room and they delivered it for free if you buy a min of 1500 baht.

Ate a late lunch and showered finally and went to sleep. Woke up around 1030 pm shaved, showered again and headed off to Walking Street. My very firSt time and it was quite cool. I got a gyro from the Istanbul guy and it was frickin terrible and after less than 1/2 threw it away (sorry I am from NYC and that was plain shit).

Well, entered IBar around 1245 and really loved it! My first time of course, just wanted to watch, drink and dance by myself for the first night since I am patient guy and I like to develop a strategy for the future as I will be here for 16 nights. Also, went back and forth to insomnia upstairs. Got a 500 Baht VIP card for the 20 PC discount and also ate some CHicken Pad Thai at their NY diner which was quite OK but not as good IMO as the Pad Thai in Queens, NY!

Anyways, danced a lot and went quite crazy towards the end dancing ( lol ) since I'd had neatly 8-10 Cubas ( very light and diluted for 160 baht each ( but about 135 baht each after my 20 PC discount ), and I stayed there until 7 am! Returned and showered alone and went to bed and woke up in an hour! LOL. And maid service coming at 2 pm.

Plan to hit Soi 3 for a hours massage and extras hopefully this pm and will check out 808 and possibly 1-2 other dance clubs maybe. Don't plan to hit any gogos until day 3, until I figure out what talent there is at Ibar and the rest, as I do not care for pros. It was pretty crowded this past night and when they closed Ibar down stairs at 5 am and sent everyone up to Insomnia it was jam jam packed 100 PC and there was some fights and security had to get invovled dragging some big Russian (I think) dude out.

Anyways, I would rate the Ibar talent as mostly mid to upper 20's and early 30's in age for the girls and quality IMO was very average. YMMV. If after day 2 and 3 I don't find quality going up a lot then I think I may have to hit the gogos which is not my preferred option (but maybe the really sexy ones are in there?).

Will post again soon.

Awesome field reports, guys.

FL, can not wait to read your Phuket reports since I will be there in a couple months or sooner.

Haven, if you prefer non-pros Thermae in BKK is more convenient than sifting through Pattaya FLs.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1874873]I don't think she liked you. Didn't you chat her up any in the bar? Sometimes you can tell what kind of service your going to get within 5 seconds. If I don't get at least a smile I move on. Actually you bought dinner and smokes so you did pay more than 1500. She might have moved her ass a little more if you just gave the cash mate.

Question? Why do you care what she's wearing?[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong. She was smiling, and she moved her ass enough including 10 minutes cowgirl for her to release.

You are right, it take few minutes to judge a bad attitude and split. But I'm spoiled, knowing all the extra-super-good experiences that I had in the past, not just in Thailand doesn't help at times.

Mr. E. said very well on the dressing issue. Some girls are naturally elegant, can dress sexy while staying decent. E. g. Grab one of these veil blouse, change to lower shoes, etc. I do not want any lady to dress like a bank teller.

By the way. I saw what I'll call the "tall trophy doll" yesterday at the red car. Stunner with long jet black hair, wide-apart eyes giving her a even more exotic look. Wrapped in China-like long tube thing, talking to some youngish. If she's resident, who will probe her? She's too tall for me. And I'm not short, just regular.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1874950]
Well, entered IBar around 1245 and really loved it! My first time of course, just wanted to watch, drink and dance by myself for the first night since I am patient guy and I like to develop a strategy for the future as I will be here for 16 nights. Also, went back and forth to insomnia upstairs. Got a 500 Baht VIP card for the 20 PC discount and also ate some CHicken Pad Thai at their NY diner which was quite OK but not as good IMO as the Pad Thai in Queens, NY!

Anyways, danced a lot and went quite crazy towards the end dancing ( lol ) since I'd had neatly 8-10 Cubas ( very light and diluted for 160 baht each ( but about 135 baht each after my 20 PC discount ), and I stayed there until 7 am! Returned and showered alone and went to bed and woke up in an hour! LOL. And maid service coming at 2 pm.
[/QUOTE]Welcome back then! Doing after-hour style when just arrived was quite a stunt! Try energy drinks at the 7-11 and a bit of alcohol in the club. I like dancing too but my body or mind failed me yesterday. I was also put off by Marine disco in desolation, that place is surely bottom feeders but the DJ is (at times) better. Red car has a new DJ now playing worst of 2011-12. OMB.

Oh and the good American-Thai band playing in the now ridiculously small Lucifer, what a sad sight. Just to keep a job and lifestyle. Everyone has his ups and down in life.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1874950] Anyways, I would rate the Ibar talent as mostly mid to upper 20's and early 30's in age for the girls and quality IMO was very average. YMMV. If after day 2 and 3 I don't find quality going up a lot then I think I may have to hit the gogos which is not my preferred option (but maybe the really sexy ones are in there?).

Will post again soon.[/QUOTE]
Impressive stamina my friend. I went out my first night but could only go till about 3AM. Met one of my regs and took her as a consolation prize I was so damned tired! And I was only coming off a 9hr flight from Moscow.

I am sorry I missed you at Ibar last night. When I got your message (which was blocked because of the inbox) I figured you had gotten delayed in Taipei or something and did not look too hard for you. With the concert last night the place was crowded to the gills with too many dudes pushing and shoving. I am not surprised fights broke out later.

I talked to a couple of girls while I was there. One I thought was with a guy, but we made eye contact and she beckoned me over. I asked her if that was her BF and she said , "No he only want to pay me 3 thousand.". I asked how much she wanted and she said 5K LT! Can you believe that shit? She wasn't even that hot (though had a really nice natural rack).

I did have fun with one of the dancers (dressed in the white angel costumes) I bought her a drink and she really grind on me. We even kissed a bit right at the bar! She really had me going and I was thinking of asking her to go with me. But she said she did not get off work until 5AM and I did not want to wait it out that long. To be honest she was cute, but not all that hot. Maybe I would have waited it out if she was.

I only saw a few stunners. But they were all with guys. One blonde girl in particular at the table right above the staircase that leads upstairs was just smoking. Too bad she was already taken.

I agree that the quality at Ibar seems a bit down this year. As for the real lookers, I keep seeing the same girls over and over again -- it just seems they are getting older. Most of the younger ones there arent all that attractive. Pretty much my same impression as back in January. Where is the new talent?

I bounced a little before 2AM and hit 808. A lot of old chubby chicks. Did not stay long. Then I went downstairs to check out the band at Candy Shop but it was kind of dead there too. A couple of cuties, but they were all with guys.

After a while I decided to hit Red Car. Mostly just to cool off as it was hot and muggy as hell on WS last night. As luck would have it I met a real hottie there. Smoking body nice big silicone boobs on a slim frame. Cute face. Lovely figure. Amazingly smooth skin. After a couple of drinks and some dancing I took her home for 2500 LT. A real tigress in bed. She screamed so hard I thought the neighbors would call the police. We parted at 4Pm today after a couple more round this morning and afternoon. A real find for RC as that place has been going down recently. And to think I really only went in there to cool off and had the lowest expectations of meeting anyone.

Anyhow, I hope you have better luck tonight and that we have a chance to run into each other.

Stay horny my friend!

Uncle-V

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1875039]Welcome back then! Doing after-hour style when just arrived was quite a stunt! Try energy drinks at the 7-11 and a bit of alcohol in the club. I like dancing too but my body or mind failed me yesterday. I was also put off by Marine disco in desolation, that place is surely bottom feeders but the DJ is (at times) better. Red car has a new DJ now playing worst of 2011-12. OMB.

Oh and the good American-Thai band playing in the now ridiculously small Lucifer, what a sad sight. Just to keep a job and lifestyle. Everyone has his ups and down in life.[/QUOTE]I agree completely!

But there is some good news. Lucifer seems to be undergoing some kind of remodel. So it may be making a comeback. At least that was what the bouncer said when I asked him if the back was open.

We could use a good alternative to Ibar. 808, RC, Mixx, Marine just don't cut it.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1875027] I saw what I'll call the "tall trophy doll" yesterday at the red car. Stunner with long jet black hair, wide-apart eyes giving her a even more exotic look. Wrapped in China-like long tube thing, talking to some youngish. If she's resident, who will probe her? She's too tall for me. And I'm not short, just regular.[/QUOTE]Fucking hell. She sounds amazing! She certainly was not there last night after 2 AM. Maybe she got snapped up by some lucky SOB? A lot of guys were out last night it seemed.

I will be on the lookout for her. Though I prefer my ladies petite.

There is a girl that sounds just like her at What's Up. She is one of the models that does the shows. A real stunner. But I am sure she'd cost a fortune. And no guarantee of GFE.

BTW: IMHO there are some serious lookers at What's Up these days. 3 or 4 of the models are just stunning. And from the regular girls numbers 26, 28 and 48 are gorgeous too.

But prices are steep. I was quoted 1500 BF and 3K ST, 5K LT by #48. And for LT she said she only would stay till 6AM!. Outrageous. I did not even counter offer.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1875089]I agree completely!

But there is some good news. Lucifer seems to be undergoing some kind of remodel. So it may be making a comeback. At least that was what the bouncer said when I asked him if the back was open.

We could use a good alternative to Ibar. 808, RC, Mixx, Marine just don't cut it.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. Maybe the bouncer is the same guy that got them closed down two years ago for beating or roughing up a patron. If my memory serves me right they were the first place to be closed down 2 months when Martial Law was declared and there was a curfew? As noted in prior discussion on this topic the crowd and band moved to 808, prior to Lucifer closer 808 was the place that look like Lucifer. During the closure they said they were going to do some renovation or remodel when it reopened nothing was ever done, what you see now has been like that for a long time.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1875089]I agree completely!

But there is some good news. Lucifer seems to be undergoing some kind of remodel. So it may be making a comeback. At least that was what the bouncer said when I asked him if the back was open.

We could use a good alternative to Ibar. 808, RC, Mixx, Marine just don't cut it.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. Maybe the bouncer is the same guy that got them closed down two years ago for beating or roughing up a patron. If my memory serves me right they were the first place to be closed down 2 months when Martial Law was declared and there was a curfew? As noted in prior discussion on this topic the crowd and band moved to 808, prior to Lucifer closer 808 was the place that look like Lucifer. During the closure they said they were going to do some renovation or remodel when it reopened nothing was ever done, what you see now has been like that for a long time.

Personally, it looks like one of those places where the owner or owners have more money than brains. Right now the only money being made and the only crowd is coming from the magician out front.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1875129]I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. Maybe the bouncer is the same guy that got them closed down two years ago for beating or roughing up a patron. If my memory serves me right they were the first place to be closed down 2 months when Martial Law was declared and there was a curfew? As noted in prior discussion on this topic the crowd and band moved to 808, prior to Lucifer closer 808 was the place that look like Lucifer. During the closure they said they were going to do some renovation or remodel when it reopened nothing was ever done, what you see now has been like that for a long time.

Personally, it looks like one of those places where the owner or owners have more money than brains. Right now the only money being made and the only crowd is coming from the magician out front.[/QUOTE]Thanks I did not realize it was the same band now at 808. To be honest I don't really pay all that much attention to these things as I am usually looking to see what the ladies look like.

If 808 is any indication of what kind of ladies they would be no great loss though.

Last time I was here in January I think I remember going back there to check if the disco was open and it being totally empty, but the lights still on. Very weird.

Sad to see this happen as I remember picking up a few real hotties there years ago.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1875039]Oh and the good American-Thai band playing in the now ridiculously small Lucifer, what a sad sight. Just to keep a job and lifestyle. Everyone has his ups and down in life.[/QUOTE]I don't know why Christian keeps Lucifer open. It didn't make much sense in the first place to open a disco (808) of the same genre to compete with another disco you own on the same street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1874887]Because it is embarassing walking around not matching each other as well as when she leaves the next day wearing night time club clothes.[/QUOTE]Who the fuck is walking around with her the next day! It's a paid shag, not a marriage. I sleep until noon at least usually. She can wear and leave in whatever she has on.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1875164]Who the fuck is walking around with her the next day! It's a paid shag, not a marriage. I sleep until noon at least usually. She can wear and leave in whatever she has on.[/QUOTE]Different strokes. Some people do not want hookers leaving their building in front of their neighbors in club clothes the next day. There are others who like to go to breakfast with the girl and hang out with her the next day. Usually when we go to Koh Larn we will find chicks at the disco the night before. Before going to the crib we will stop by the girls' rooms for them to change out of their club clothes and get their things for the next day. Not all mongers are pump and dump. For you it is a paid shag. For others it may be GFE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1875196]Different strokes. Some people do not want hookers leaving their building in front of their neighbors in club clothes the next day. There are others who like to go to breakfast with the girl and hang out with her the next day. Usually when we go to Koh Larn we will find chicks at the disco the night before. Before going to the crib we will stop by the girls' rooms for them to change out of their club clothes and get their things for the next day. Not all mongers are pump and dump. For you it is a paid shag. For others it may be GFE.[/QUOTE]Well said!

I like your soft cuddly side Mr. E. .

555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1875218]Well said!

I like your soft cuddly side Mr. E. .

555.[/QUOTE]Don't be fooled,. I doubt Mr ENT is all that soft. And very much doubt that he is not all muscle! LOL. I very much doubt that the girls like him for his soft, cuddly side either. Haha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1875196] Usually when we go to Koh Larn we will find chicks at the disco the night before. Before going to the crib we will stop by the girls' rooms for them to change out of their club clothes and get their things for the next day.[/QUOTE]What do you do if the girl lives 20 minutes away and you've had a few drinks?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1875281]What do you do if the girl lives 20 minutes away and you've had a few drinks?[/QUOTE]No idea. That is an extremely rare case. Most of the chicks I meet live in Naklua or Jomtien at the worst. In the past 6 years I have probably met only 2 hookers that lived down Sukhumvit somewhere.

Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1875329]Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?[/QUOTE]Egad, man. Have you done any research in this forum at all? We're a pretty friendly bunch here -- and we're always happy to help people that need a little assistance. But, it is far better if you first do a bit to help yourself and then ask for help. Everything you are asking is readily available in this forum and can be found in five minutes or less.

SW4.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1875329]Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?[/QUOTE]Apparently, you have not done any reading of the form at all. There is wealth of information in this form and there is a separate.

Form on Pattaya Hotels which gives all the more information you need. For your information, all hotels are girl friendly and some of them may have a joiner fee but in general that is not the case.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1875329]Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?[/QUOTE]You mean like a list of almost all hotels there?

If in doubt, just email the hotel and ask.

I must say that the Insomnia setup is by far where the best lookers hang out consistently. In the past I had despised it because of a certain stuck-up general attitude, bouncers frisking my privates, etc, but now it seems to be better. Banning of shisha is a big improvement also. It remains a place for the younger crowd, but who cares after all, this is Thailand.

While checking for the gents in title, a friendly petite standing near the restroom upstairs attracts my attention. Her name sounds like an hiccup while grinding teeth, which must be a very nice name in Isaan. Below we're pictured at the peak of our short lived romance.

When I've meet the guys not much talk was possible so they were spared my great Thai spins, like Som the lost nymphomaniac, accidents after declining to buy Buddha amulets, secret Pad Thai locations, etc. Will be for the next time when returning the drinks I owe.

At one point Uncle V. Makes a magical gesture and a beauty appears by his arm! I can only describe her as an impressive set of dangerous curves supporting the classical beauty of her face. H123 on the other hand seemed to be pondering the situation under all possible aspects, which is always a good thing.

Short after while I left with the miss, during which time she kept saying that she remembers me, thing that just can't be. I was almost afraid she entered a drunk loop, however one ice-cream and pack of cigs (promised myself it was the last time that I buy) later, we reached the room and things were good enough at the beginning, she can sure suck good, her body isn't really a turn-on but that much I knew.

Moved to doggy, however I was quick to release not wanting to reverse the initial flow of fluids and expecting more for later. At that point she took the quickest of runs, "No do LT", "I support mom & pop", and other worn-out bullshit. I really regretted not having made a firm and clear negotiation before. It is simply too risky to not make one with today's FLs, no matter how friendly and easy going they appear to be.

Damage 1,000 plus 100 taxi, but she expected even more! Told her she was lucky me being a gentleman and it ended there as normally happens when they know to have wronged someone.

Not giving a damn about that, and not being sleepy I took another trip to WS around 5 am, checked couple of places, not seeing anything of my liking and not wanting to be unlucky again with the leftovers I wrote off the night for a good sleep.

Be careful guys! It seems not to be anymore a matter of how much you pay, but of what, in the end, you'll get!

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1875329]Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?[/QUOTE]There are too many choices available. Do you want to be right on WS or be more centrally located? You want cheap, middle of the road, or high end accommodations? Read the Pattaya Hotel forum. Get an idea of what you want, then we can offer advice.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1875581]I must say that the Insomnia setup is by far where the best lookers hang out consistently. In the past I had despised it because of a certain stuck-up general attitude, bouncers frisking my privates, etc, but now it seems to be better. Banning of shisha is a big improvement also. It remains a place for the younger crowd, but who cares after all, this is Thailand.

While checking for the gents in title, a friendly petite standing near the restroom upstairs attracts my attention. Her name sounds like an hiccup while grinding teeth, which must be a very nice name in Isaan. Below we're pictured at the peak of our short lived romance.

When I've meet the guys not much talk was possible so they were spared my great Thai spins, like Som the lost nymphomaniac, accidents after declining to buy Buddha amulets, secret Pad Thai locations, etc. Will be for the next time when returning the drinks I owe.

At one point Uncle V. Makes a magical gesture and a beauty appears by his arm! I can only describe her as an impressive set of dangerous curves supporting the classical beauty of her face. H123 on the other hand seemed to be pondering the situation under all possible aspects, which is always a good thing.
[/QUOTE]It was great to meet you, even ever so briefly last night. I am sorry that we didn't have chance to really talk. I would love to hear you spin your yarns and to learn more about Some the lost nympho. 5555.

Sorry about the runner. I thought that Hiccup was super cute and I would also be seriously in danger of falling for the same trap. But at least you had sense enough to get your rocks off. I have done much worse in the past. And 1100 baht is not all that bad.

I am glad you liked my girl. No magic there. LOL. She is the girl from the night before that I found at RC. We left at about 4 and had another amazing marathon session. She left at about 5 PM today. Leaving me drained of all fluids and famished.

I am trying to get a hold of an old flame who is back in town tonight. But if that doesn't pan out I will be at Ibar. Probably late. And looking to make new acquaintances.

I will drop you and Haven a line if I go that route.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1875329]Hi,

Can someone list out decent hotels near walking Street / beach road that do not charge joining fees for girls?[/QUOTE]Ask your question in the right thread [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

Got my vacation approved today. I will be in LOS after 4 years for a week. It will be long flight from NY but I know its worth the effort. Already started reading the forum pages looks like things are changed now. Lot of new options and new ways of mongering are available.

Will be in touch on the forum.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1875581]I must say that the Insomnia setup is by far where the best lookers hang out consistently. In the past I had despised it because of a certain stuck-up general attitude, bouncers frisking my privates, etc, but now it seems to be better. Banning of shisha is a big improvement also. It remains a place for the younger crowd, but who cares after all, this is Thailand.

While checking for the gents in title, a friendly petite standing near the restroom upstairs attracts my attention. Her name sounds like an hiccup while grinding teeth, which must be a very nice name in Isaan. Below we're pictured at the peak of our short lived romance.

When I've meet the guys not much talk was possible so they were spared my great Thai spins, like Som the lost nymphomaniac, accidents after declining to buy Buddha amulets, secret Pad Thai locations, etc. Will be for the next time when returning the drinks I owe.

At one point Uncle V. Makes a magical gesture and a beauty appears by his arm! I can only describe her as an impressive set of dangerous curves supporting the classical beauty of her face. H123 on the other hand seemed to be pondering the situation under all possible aspects, which is always a good thing.

Short after while I left with the miss, during which time she kept saying that she remembers me, thing that just can't be. I was almost afraid she entered a drunk loop, however one ice-cream and pack of cigs (promised myself it was the last time that I buy) later, we reached the room and things were good enough at the beginning, she can sure suck good, her body isn't really a turn-on but that much I knew.

Moved to doggy, however I was quick to release not wanting to reverse the initial flow of fluids and expecting more for later. At that point she took the quickest of runs, "No do LT", "I support mom & pop", and other worn-out bullshit. I really regretted not having made a firm and clear negotiation before. It is simply too risky to not make one with today's FLs, no matter how friendly and easy going they appear to be.

Damage 1,000 plus 100 taxi, but she expected even more! Told her she was lucky me being a gentleman and it ended there as normally happens when they know to have wronged someone.

Not giving a damn about that, and not being sleepy I took another trip to WS around 5 am, checked couple of places, not seeing anything of my liking and not wanting to be unlucky again with the leftovers I wrote off the night for a good sleep.

Be careful guys! It seems not to be anymore a matter of how much you pay, but of what, in the end, you'll get![/QUOTE]1. I agree with your conclusion about me! Sad to say, I admit that you are quite right! I am having a bit of tough time finding someone I like with my preferences for the girls age range age range, body type (don't care for flattish ass) , nice face, good teeth (BTW the best teeth I have seen in Asia is Korean girls) and bubbly personality. And, yesh I would agree with everyone who says that is tall order, if not nearly impossible request. But, I am willing to pay for it. So, that is a ***.

2. BTW, I was super impressed seeing you get up the raised stage at Insomnia and dance there. You are one cool dude. BTW, do you think Uncle V knows how to dance? LOL! ROFLMAO! But, we do know he does score every day and every night, so yeah Uncle V does indeed ' stay horny my friends '.

3. BTW, you write well ONG, but in Ibar with the music and the crowd I have a tough time understanding your accent. Sorry man! I suppose you could say the same thing about me in return?

4. I like to dance and just be happy. Probably more so than anyone you've probably met here in Pattaya? LOL. And I like to be unencumbered and on 2 nights now, I have waited too long. Like after 6 am to make a decision. Yeah, I am a dumb mutherfukka. I am unfortunately still stuck on the chicas in Latin America, as I prefer their features and body style, and I am definitely a semi pro / non pro guy and totally dislike having to talk money ahead of time. I know that is dumb! But, hey that's me and I really do like chatting with a girl for months before I arrive (not one single girl from Thai Freindly even replied to my initial text and now since I am already here and have about 2. 5 more weeks to go, I have zero interest in starting that path now.

5. I think I'd like to find a hot 18-23 age range girl (and an 8 or a 9 on a 1-10 scale) who loves to dance until the wee hours, probably from a Walking Street gogo (because I suspect that might be my only choice right now LOL), starting at about midnight and willing to stay until 3 pm with me. I have no idea how much that would cost, but based on what I've seen here and heard from Uncle V my guess is 1500 baht barfine, plus 5 k for my time and dance time (until at least 6 am at Ibar / Insomnia) requests? And, I am fine with that, probably not for every night, but a few nights for sure and see how it goes, I Yeah, I agree that given everything I said above a Gogo girl makes no sense. But at least they may have decent looks, be good hot dancers. Who knows? The problem with me is that I am super, super picky and super, super stupid and slow to pull the trigger always finding some reason in my mind to say: " ahh no, let's find something better " and I have not until now in Pattaya. But, I do succeed on my terms in Peru, Brazil, the DR etc. Unfortunately, it has not worked for me in the first few days, but I still have 18 nights to go, so I am still optimistic. Since I don't work really and spend about 50 percent of my days in Latin Amreica (now for about the last 2 1/2 years) , I am not in any great hurry and unwilling to compromise on what I am looking for. And, yes, you and everyone else would be 100 PC correct to say, I am dumb, stupid, crazy, very hard to please, etc etc. But, Unfortunately that is who I am and I am happy with myself.

BTW, Uncke V, I am still waiting to hear back from the company (through Dancewatchers) of a price for a RT taxi to the Sanctuary of Truth. Since, I will be paying, either or both of you, are welcome to a ride back and forth to the place (which I believe is about 15-20 km away from where I am near Central Festival and VT 6).

[QUOTE=Haven123;1875963]
5. I think I'd like to find a hot 18-23 age range girl (and an 8 or a 9 on a 1-10 scale) who loves to dance until the wee hours, probably from a Walking Street gogo (because I suspect that might be my only choice right now LOL), starting at about midnight and willing to stay until 3 pm with me. I have no idea how much that would cost, but based on what I've seen here and heard from Uncle V my guess is 1500 baht barfine, plus 5 k for my time and dance time (until at least 6 am at Ibar / Insomnia) requests? And, I am fine with that, probably not for every night, but a few nights for sure and see how it goes, I Yeah, I agree that given everything I said above a Gogo girl makes no sense. But at least they may have decent looks, be good hot dancers. Who knows? The problem with me is that I am super, super picky and super, super stupid and slow to pull the trigger always finding some reason in my mind to say: " ahh no, let's find something better " and I have not until now in Pattaya. But, I do succeed on my terms in Peru, Brazil, the DR etc. Unfortunately, it has not worked for me in the first few days, but I still have 18 nights to go, so I am still optimistic. Since I don't work really and spend about 50 percent of my days in Latin Amreica (now for about the last 2 1/2 years) , I am not in any great hurry and unwilling to compromise on what I am looking for. And, yes, you and everyone else would be 100 PC correct to say, I am dumb, stupid, crazy, very hard to please, etc etc. But, Unfortunately that is who I am and I am happy with myself.[/QUOTE]Fuck man! And I thought I was picky. 555.

Just curious, what did you think of the girl I hooked up with last night? She was 21, firm, nice ass, pretty face. At least IMHO.

In any case you are a great guy and should always do what makes YOU happy. I believe you will eventually find your girl. If you are willing to spend What's up gogo may be your place. But do negotiate everything up front. Especially the time you want her to spend with you.

Writing these reports is becoming a refreshing time-killer, as it brings me back to the sharing habits of my unspoiled monger past, continuing in the tradition of 4 or 5 different screen names and some 20 countries visited over many years already. Even if this is abot Pattaya, something that any serious monger should consider no more than a continued-education play sandbox.

So, I worked Ibar with the boys from 1:30 to 4 am, which is a long time for me, I'm happy to have found other disco-lover punters, because as strange it may seem, we are just a minority in this hobby. Only negative with the location was the bouncer had to say about the mini-maglite in my keyfob (It's true one can't fix stupidity), and that it was stupidly crowded especially upstairs.

Situation was quite normal with the major ass-pieces already taken, or walking in as having a broom up in the ass, possibly because of recent insertion of other long objects.

We did our thing very casually until UV entered close contact with a pretty girl in pink. Since she was tow-trailed by a pair of teeth-braced girls, I took evasive action, as I positively avoid group engagement in clubs unless there is a distinct hint that it will progress to an orgy.

I was kind of looking for a high school like fetish of mine, that is a cougarish sex-deprived, classy and good looking older lady. Since none with the full set of attributes was to be found, I worked on rebuilding my dancefloor energy, after a long hiatus.

H123 noticed this and encouraged with a distant nodding of his basecap, unfortunately my moves didn't caused any lady to beg for my company, so I left around the same time UV was in a conundrum about the candy bar girl, and H123 was immersing himself in the profound considerations he has exposed before, as well in a number of Cuba Libre.

BTW H123, the main reason we didn't communicated at the club is because I didn't really tried (smile), so don't worry. I gave up on that decades ago. I hate to be yelling and spraying saliva to strangers just to convey a poor approximation of what I wanted to say.

Next destination for me was Marine Disco, which I believe to be epitome of the decadent Thai Hooker's disco. One can still find some women that catered to Vietnam servicemen there, Katoyes that won't fool a blind, and other rarities. But as we know, the universe must renew itself all the time by bringing in fresh pussy where you do not expect it. And in fact I had various good catches at Marine. So after some rote ass shaking I moved to chatup Trung, a nice petite in white, without much English.

Her demand of 1500 for LT was reasonable, she had good manners, no tattoos, didn't smoke, dressed decently, nice legs, at that point with a number of positive signals I took her home, it turned out to be a good choice. She stopped at 7-11 to buy something with her money (another positive there), then I bought a snack meal for the both of us.

She's still a nice (could use some make-up tough) young woman (around 30) with a very quiet attitude. Her traits are a bit "hard", reminds me of Khmer ethnics, but are catching at the same time. And nothing is wrong with her small body really. It's easy to perceive that plying the nightlife is not what she wanted, but it's what is working for her now. There are surely thousands like her, problem is that it's difficult to tell them apart within the general craziness.

We had a good time in bed, she's not a tigress but likes long cowgirl rides and for sure can take intense poundings. Mouth action to be improved but OK. Anal stimulation and entry are not be a problem, but I've postponed that enjoyment for a later time, as she shyly suggested also.

We slept a little between rounds and she left around 10, I think she would have got no problem in staying longer for a small incentive, but I've found that I rest even better alone in the late morning.

Will probably repeat with her, even if limited to bedroom company.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876049]Writing these reports is becoming a refreshing time-killer, as it brings me back to the sharing habits of my unspoiled monger past, continuing in the tradition of 4 or 5 different screen names and some 20 countries visited over many years already. Even if this is abot Pattaya, something that any serious monger should consider no more than a continued-education play sandbox.

Nothing new in that, we worked the Ibar with the boys from 1:30 to 4 am, which is a long time for me, I'm happy to have found other disco-lover punters, because as strange it may seem, we are just a minority in this hobby. Only negative with the location was the bouncer had to say about the mini-maglite in my keyfob (It's true one can't fix stupidity), and that it was stupidly crowded especially upstairs.

Situation was quite normal with the major ass-pieces already taken, or walking in as having a broom up in the ass, possibly because of recent insertion of other long objects.

We did our thing with the boys until UV entered close contact with a pretty girl in pink. Since she was tow-trailed by a pair of teeth-braced girls, I took evasive action, as I try to avoid group engagement in clubs unless there is a distinct hint that it will progress to an orgy.

I was kind of looking for a high school like fetish of mine, that is a cougarish sex-deprived, classy and good looking older lady. Since none with the full set of attributes was to be found, I worked on rebuilding my dancefloor energy, after a long hiatus.

H123 noticed this and encouraged with a distant nodding of his basecap, unfortunately my moves didn't caused any lady to beg for my company, so I left around the same time UV was in a conundrum about the candy bar girl, and H123 was immersing himself in the profound considerations he has exposed before, as well in a number of Cuba Libre.

BTW H123, the main reason we didn't communicated at the club is because I didn't really tried (smile), so don't worry. I gave up on that decades ago. I hate to be yelling and spraying saliva to strangers just to convey a poor approximation of what I wanted to say.

Next destination for me was Marine Disco, which I believe to be epitome of the decadent Thai Hooker's disco. One can still find some women that catered to Vietnam servicemen there, Katoyes that won't fool a blind, and other rarities. But as we know, the universe must renew itself all the time by bringing in fresh pussy where you do not expect it. And in fact I had various good catches at Marine. So after some rote ass shaking I moved to chatup Trung, a nice petite in white, without much English.

Her demand of 1500 for LT was reasonable, she had good manners, no tattoos, didn't smoke, dressed decently, nice legs, at that point with a number of positive signals I took her home, it turned out to be a good choice. She stops at 7-11 to buy something with her money (another positive there), I then bought a snack meal for the both of us.

She's still a nice (could use some make-up tough) young woman (around 30) with a very quiet attitude. Her traits are a bit "hard", reminds me of Khmer ethnics, but are catching at the same time. And nothing is wrong with her small body really. It's easy to perceive that the nightlife is not what she really wanted to, but it's what is working for her now. There are surely thousands like her, problem is that it's difficult to tell them apart within the general craziness.

We had a good time in bed, she's not a tigress but likes long cowgirl rides and for sure can take intense poundings. Mouth action to be improved but OK. Anal stimulation and entry are not be a problem, but I've postponed that enjoyment for a later time, as she shyly suggested also.

She slept a little between rounds and left around 10, I think she would have got no problem in staying longer for a small incentive, but I've found that I rest even better alone in the late morning.

Will probably repeat with her, even if limited to bedroom company.[/QUOTE]I love your prose man. I wish it wasn't so damned loud in Ibar as I think we could pass the time enjoyably in conversation as we browsed through the goods on offer.

I'm glad your perseverance paid off! At Marine no less. I don't think I have been there in years as it is such a late late night spot. 1500 sounds pretty damned reasonable too.

Yes, I went against my better judgement, but I was rewarded with a pretty good experience from Candy Girl. I really lucked out. This will only encourage more risk taking -- which is sure to eventually end in disaster. But as you said. You'll never know unless you try!

To be honest I hate clubs when they are that crowded and I just wanted to get the hell out of there with something to show for it.

I felt bad that I didn't do mor eto facilitate you guys hooking up with Candy Girl's friends. But now I understand that you guys wanted to extricate yourselves form that situation. So fucking hard to communicate in that environment. I know now what the boys n the trenches felt like during the battle of Verdun. 555
Candy Girl! So funny you called her that as I had some American candy that I gave her that I had originally brought for another friend I won't get to meet up with this trip. 555.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1875963]I like with my preferences for the girls age range age range, body type (don't care for flattish ass)[/QUOTE]Sounds like a visit to 808 and Flexx is in order.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1875963]But, hey that's me and I really do like chatting with a girl for months before I arrive (not one single girl from Thai Freindly even replied to my initial text and now since I am already here and have about 2. 5 more weeks to go, I have zero interest in starting that path now.[/QUOTE]Giving away my secrets now. Have you tried Badoo or Tagged?
[QUOTE=Haven123;1875963]but I still have 18 nights to go, so I am still optimistic. Since I don't work really and spend about 50 percent of my days in Latin Amreica (now for about the last 2 1/2 years) , I am not in any great hurry and unwilling to compromise on what I am looking for. And, yes, you and everyone else would be 100 PC correct to say, I am dumb, stupid, crazy, very hard to please, etc etc. But, Unfortunately that is who I am and I am happy with myself.[/QUOTE]Well while you are waiting for Miss Right to come along, why not get a Miss Right Now? I'm in the market for a 1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible, but until I can find that mf I will still drive around in this 2003 Toyota Corolla. Walking is not an option for me. Go with what you got until you can get what you want. It is not like you are finding a wife and are only allowed to fuck 1 girl for your entire stay in Pattaya. It is not like your gun only has one bullet and you must choose wisely which bandit to shoot. It may sound like a lot of time, but 18 days will go by quick.

I want to visit Thailand but am worried about the quality of the ladies. What are the chances of getting anal with a hottie? For a long time service I don't want to spend more than about 8,000 baht in total.

Otherwise I will go to Germany and continue to do Romanian girls up the butt. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1876274]I want to visit Thailand but am worried about the quality of the ladies. What are the chances of getting anal with a hottie? For a long time service I don't want to spend more than about 8,000 baht in total.

Otherwise I will go to Germany and continue to do Romanian girls up the butt. LOL.[/QUOTE]I found it difficult to get anal in Thailand. That said, I did butt fuck a girl going by "Nana" on my first day in Bangkok. She was working at Snow White at the time. Other than that, it was slim pickings! I'm sure that if you're there long enough you could probably build up a roster of "anal tutes". But as a tourist the challenge is harder. Also, I think if you're willing to lower your standards in Thailand, then you might be able to source more anal. I stopped in on several of he PSE oilies, but the women were so ugly that I never could have gotten it up for any of them, so I just turned around and walked out. If you need a lot of anal on the menu, then I say stick to the FKKs where I fuck 40% of the girls I choose nuts deep up the butt. And even better than that is Brazil where my LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is 70%!

So, finally, at Ibar (upstairs at Insomnia) I find this girl from Isaan, at about 6 am (hanging with a friend of hers and she seemed genuine and nice) and who I think is cool. I ask her if she wants to come with me, and then I ask how much. She says you tell me. I say 1500 LT, she says 3000 and we agree on 2000.

It's now 7 am and we leave and on a motorcycle taxi back to VT 6 and she is like really fun the whole time like she was enjoying the ride. I had said Central Festival to the guy because everyone knows that. The girl as we arrive says View Talay. So, obviously she has been there a few times before. I give the taxi guy his 100 as agreed and she says something to him and tips him 20 baht.

We go to elevator and check in with her ID. Up to my floor, and as she was walking to the room, she says she might throw up,. And I said no can do in the room. And she asks why not? I say because. And stop. And she asks because why? And I say because it is not my place. She even asked as we were in the elevator, how long I was going to be around and I told her the date.

So, now, she does something strange and acts and pretends like she is throwing up as are maybe 4 doors from my apt. She actually pretends like she is putting a finger down her throat and then grabs my shirt and pretends like she is throwing up. Very teenager like, but obviously a Pattaya farang experienced girl. I said look if you throw up in my apt, I won't pay.

So, she says ok she is a leaving and turn around right there in the hallway and leaves. Ok, she is cool chick (or so I thought) and think she is still pretending, because the whole time it was like a total act and where I thought she was actually trying to be funny. So, I give it a few seconds and I think she will return. Well, she actually takes the elevator back down and leaves! I wonder if the whole thing is an act. And then go down like in 2 minutes to check and the security guy at the elevator says, lady go.

So, this whole episode from the elevator lobby to her leaving before we even get to my apt, happens like in about 90 secs fiat.

Of course, she never gets to my apt and I don't pay her anything, except as I was leaving I give her friend 40 baht for her moto taxi without even asking! And a few drinks, maybe 4 total at Insomnia.

So, it was a strange thing and unlike nothing I have experienced before, but I was firm about not throwing up, because I had read about such tricks before. Later, I wondered if the 20 baht tip to moto taxi guy and whatever she said to him, when she tipped him, was also a request to him to hang around as she would be back soon. That's just my wild guess, of course, he was a random driver outside Ibar.

Anyways, that was a strange experience indeed, and I am actually smiling at the whole thing at 815 am as I write, because it was one for the life story that I will not forget.

But, thankfully I did not have to deal with this after she entered my room.

She was actually a cute chick and somewhat young, definitely no more than 23. Probably had some Japanese blood in her. My guess. Wore her hat backwards and was dressed very NY ish in terms of her clothing attitude. Quite slim, young and cute. Her friend was also quite nice. So, it was one strange experience.

Btw, no worries....I am NOT the type to ever be deterred or forlorn about stuff like this. Because, statistically this is quite a rare event and tomorrow is a new day / night. But, I thought this story was one for the ages. Because, she could have come to the apt and then soon thereafter tried to leave with some baht by saying she was unwell and had to leave. So, I was surprised that she actually passed up making any money whatsoever. So, that's what I found strange....

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876315]So, finally, at Ibar (upstairs at Insomnia) I find this girl from Isaan, at about 6 am (hanging with a friend of hers and she seemed genuine and nice) and who I think is cool. I ask her if she wants to come with me, and then I ask how much. She says you tell me. I say 1500 LT, she says 3000 and we agree on 2000.

It's now 7 am and we leave and on a motorcycle taxi back to VT 6 and she is like really fun the whole time like she was enjoying the ride. [/QUOTE]How long does a girl stay when she does LT at 7 in the morning? LT is usually 8 to 12 hours (if not a bit more), would the girl stay until 8 pm?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1876328]How long does a girl stay when she does LT at 7 in the morning? LT is usually 8 to 12 hours (if not a bit more), would the girl stay until 8 pm?[/QUOTE]Is that question? Or are you trying to point something out, suggesting I missed to clarify ahead of time? Frankly, at this point given what happened, I don't think it matters. However, if things had gone well, I'd have been fine with say 1 or 2 pm. And, if she'd been good and said she would prefer to change to ST, I would never have tried to chamge her mind. I always prefer to know a girls feelings rather than not. And just, BTW, the way I operate, I always (if things go well) , underpromise and overdeliver, or UPOD for short.

And, when need be I will pay and summarily dismiss them. This is usually a less than 5 PC occurrence. I am a hard core stats guy (and that's one of my Masters degrees) and I remember practically everything in terms of numbers. So, I submit to you that I knew exactly what I was doing and why. With me, it's always a test, since I am never ever looking for a one time thingy. But of course, they end being that way about 90 PC of the time. But, if your sample size is large enough, then 10 PC of keepers could be say 30-50 for me over the past couple of years.

I was quite good at stats, testing people, etc, in my professional life (both managing up and managing down) , from during budget and P & L forecasting and committing time for the next year,. And so it has been for me outside of my professional life. I'm not new at this with girls or negotiating with the Japanese, Chinese, Germans or whoever. I started to learn at very young age, with fantastic mentors / teachers and generally have a pretty good batting average, or in business stats lingo, ' hit ratio ', with over 20 plus years of managing an international business and a billion dollar P & L. UPOD has worked well for me.

I often leave things very open ended in the beginning. Because it matters little to me that if something does not work out 2000-3000 baht is not even a rounding error in a years worth of my life.

I always want to see if the girl has promise and whether she will also overdeliver in attitude and spirit. And if there is something there. No, I'm not looking for a GF or a wife or anything. It's just that I am not one who looks to do a different girl everyday or many in a day. I always have preferred quality over quantity.

I'd say something like this for me is a way under 1% thing. Probably a tenth of a percent. But for me, it was an epic fail....on my part. Results count and the rest is BS.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1876328]How long does a girl stay when she does LT at 7 in the morning? LT is usually 8 to 12 hours (if not a bit more), would the girl stay until 8 pm?[/QUOTE]That would depend on the girl. Some have more to do than just stay under a monger. I know Pipelayer will get a chick for LT at 7 am and she will stay with him for days. But some chicks even have jobs that they have to go to. So to really put a time on what LT is. It would be better to ask the girl how long she can or will stay instead of the agreeing to the indefinite LT.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876337]Is that question? Or are you trying to point something out, suggesting I missed to clarify ahead of time? [/QUOTE]Just curious. I was imagining a girl at a club at 6 am would be wanting to get some sleep right about 7 am (possibly why she booked). What I like about LT is having the girl for numerous rounds of fucking. What I hate about LT is that you miss out on the nightlife. Maybe the answer is to take a girl LT, stay at a hotel close to the action and bar hop with the occasional run to your hotel for a fuck.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876315]So, finally, at Ibar (upstairs at Insomnia) I find this girl from Isaan, at about 6 am (hanging with a friend of hers and she seemed genuine and nice) and who I think is cool. I ask her if she wants to come with me, and then I ask how much. She says you tell me. I say 1500 LT, she says 3000 and we agree on 2000.

We go to elevator and check in with her ID. Up to my floor, and as she was walking to the room, she says she might throw up,. And I said no can do in the room. And she asks why not? I say because. And stop. And she asks because why? And I say because it is not my place. She even asked as we were in the elevator, how long I was going to be around and I told her the date.

So, now, she does something strange and acts and pretends like she is throwing up as are maybe 4 doors from my apt. She actually pretends like she is putting a finger down her throat and then grabs my shirt and pretends like she is throwing up. Very teenager like, but obviously a Pattaya farang experienced girl. I said look if you throw up in my apt, I won't pay.

So, she says ok she is a leaving and turn around right there in the hallway and leaves.*

So, I was surprised that she actually passed up making any money whatsoever. So, that's what I found strange....[/QUOTE]Not strange at all. It is not always about the money as many may think. Thais like to play and joke around as you said like teenagers. My take is that when you did not play along with her she saw you as being too serious of a person and no fun. So she decided it was best to take her ass home.

Also, it is better to get a chick earlier because the later it gets, the longer they have been drinking. Thai women are hard enough to handle when sober. That is the disadvantage of trying to stay out at the discos all night.

I would say not to be so stern with them. I used to date a taxi driver from Bangkok and she broke up with me because she said I was too stern. I am really not, but I guess it is just the tone of my voice sometimes that could make her think that. Still not understanding why you would not let the girl throw up if she was sick though? Did you suspect she was going to throw up all over the place and not in the toilet or sink?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1876371]Not strange at all. It is not always about the money as many may think. Thais like to play and joke around as you said like teenagers. My take is that when you did not play along with her she saw you as being too serious of a person and no fun. So she decided it was best to take her ass home.

Also, it is better to get a chick earlier because the later it gets, the longer they have been drinking. Thai women are hard enough to handle when sober. That is the disadvantage of trying to stay out at the discos all night.

I would say not to be so stern with them. I used to date a taxi driver from Bangkok and she broke up with me because she said I was too stern. I am really not, but I guess it is just the tone of my voice sometimes that could make her think that. Still not understanding why you would not let the girl throw up if she was sick though? Did you suspect she was going to throw up all over the place and not in the toilet or sink?[/QUOTE]1. I suspect you are right about my tone being perceived as being too stern. I'd say that she was maybe playing around. Which is what I thought initially. But, her grabbing my shirt and acting it out the throwing up part kinda surprised me and took me aback. So, you may be quite right in terms of her perception of how I handled that possible playfulness on her part. But, I don't know for sure. I'd actually bought 2 SM's for her and her friend at Insomnia right about 650 am and she brought 75 PC of hers out and 100 PC of her friend's San Miguel (which is still sitting in the fridge as I don't drink or keep any alcohol here in my apt or at my place, any longer, back home), and which I held the full one in my hand while we were both on the m taxi!

2. Re throwing up, I just did not think she was that drunk. And if indeed she was to a point where she would need to throw up, it would be a huge turn off for me and it would have resulted in zero action on my part in bed. So, given that, maybe if she was indeed going to throw up, her leaving was probably best for both of us. I myself have only thrown up thrice in the last 11 years and I sure would not want anyone to be around me for at least 48 hrs after that. I thoroughly detest myself when I do it to myself and I'm very sure I did not have a single drink after that, on each occasion, at least for a week, because after I throw up, just the thought of drinking alcohol is a huge turn off for me. So, how I feel about that is consistent in both instances / or directionally.

Appreciate your feedback though. It's interesting. The cultural thing. I also remember from my past visit that particularly in Thailand, some girls would playfully do a circle on my bigger than normal belly. I'm about 5:9 and weigh about 195 lbs, so a beer belly for sure, although I don't drink beer anymore. I've had 3 do it to me so far at Insomnia, including one another girl last night. LOL. And, another one, the night before, who then quickly moved to doing the same thing to my chest and nipple area (also at Insomnia) . Quite a short girl that one, even for a Thai, and I felt she wanted me to take her to my place but I passed because culturally it did not work for me (and I do like short girls LOL) . So, something for me to ponder but cest la vie.

Yesterday I brought a young lady to my room and once there she asked for my number, then she rang it. It took me a short while to realize why.

Who can tell the reason? Mr E. And other residents please refrain to say - I'll come up with harder questions for you!

Exactly how long is ST and LT? Can you rent a girl for the afternoon and night-time?

I would like to get a girl to hang out with me and have sex from maybe 2 in the afternoon to 11 or 12 at night when I send her home.

I would like to avoid going out to loud nightclubs to pick up a girl if possible.

What clubs have the best looking girls? Are all girls on soi 6 prostitutes?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876315]Later, I wondered if the 20 baht tip to moto taxi guy and whatever she said to him, when she tipped him, was also a request to him to hang around as she would be back soon. That's just my wild guess, of course, he was a random driver outside Ibar.
[/QUOTE]You may be right, but sometime Thai ladies tip with their money when they think that the foreigner should have. It's one of these unspoken statements.

I also think the acting was because of a change of heart. In Thai culture an elaborate lie is better than a flat refusal. Of course that is especially ingrained in women of the trade.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1876460]What clubs have the best looking girls? Are all girls on soi 6 prostitutes?[/QUOTE]What a question! Are all girls in FKKs prostitutes? Yes or not? LOL.

Almost everything is negotiable in Pattaya, just ask in advance to the girl and tell her what you want, what you like and how much you will pay her.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876459]Yesterday I brought a young lady to my room and once there she asked for my number, then she rang it. It took me a short while to realize why.

Who can tell the reason? Mr E. And other residents please refrain to say - I'll come up with harder questions for you![/QUOTE]1. She wants to make sure you are not a lier. Do not know what you promised her.

2. To make sure if you can be a repeat customer or boyfriend or western union guy.

3. To see if it is a local sim or your real number from your country.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876472]You may be right, but sometime Thai ladies tip with their money when they think that the foreigner should have. It's one of these unspoken statements.

I also think the acting was because of a change of heart. In Thai culture an elaborate lie is better than a flat refusal. Of course that is especially ingrained in women of the trade.[/QUOTE]Sure, anything is possible. I can't claim to know much about Thai culture and how girls from Ibar may or may not perceive things. I have not been in Thailand in over a decade. So I really don't know. One could speculate on a number of reasons. I thought 100 Baht for a motorcycle taxi from Ibar to Central FEstival during daylight hours was a decent amount.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876524] I thought 100 Baht for a motorcycle taxi from Ibar to Central FEstival during daylight hours was a decent amount.[/QUOTE]When you are going together with another person they charge double. At least that is what I have been paying. So 100 sounds about right. That is what they charged me last night when we left the restaurant and I live a little closer.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1876511]1. She wants to make sure you are not a lier. Do not know what you promised her.

2. To make sure if you can be a repeat customer or boyfriend or western union guy.

3. To see if it is a local sim or your real number from your country.[/QUOTE]None of these 3.

Pattaya Trip Report, Take 2 Day 1.

Ok, back in Pattaya for the final 5 days of my vacation that ends Thursday. The hotel ordered me a taxi to take me to HKT for a 3:10 PM departure on Bangkok airways to UTP. Cost for the taxi was 700. (The charge down from the airport to the hotel they arranged was 750 baht.) The airplane left about 10 minutes early and the flight to UPT was without problem, with an early arrival. I debated once again on whether to get to a private taxi or ride the van. The taxi was 1000 baht and the van / bus / whatever was 250. I was not in any hurry so I went with the van again. We departed at 5:03 and first made it in to the south of Pattaya for the first drop off just over an hour later. As we moved up into Pattaya the traffic got very bad. When we hit 2nd road it was totally backed up. I was finally deposited in front of my hotel, this time the Dynasty Inn, at 6:48. So, total trip time was 1:45. A taxi would have been maybe 20 minutes faster I estimate.

I headed out to WS around 9 PM or so. I first went to the New Yorker, I think it is called, for a lighter meal of fried rice. I need to purge out the McDonald's and Burger King junk. I-Bar is right there so I did a walk through first. Still plenty of seating and no sign of Pam. I was very tired from little sleep and did not want to stay out late. After eating, I headed down to Bliss to see Fon. No plan to BF her, no more BFing Fon, but to say Hello,. But, of course, she was not there. Fired already, night off or out with a client, I don't know where Fon was. My soda water was 90 baht, which included a 20% discount. This was a reasonable fee, I suppose, given they have a 1500 BF.

I then headed to Sugar Baby to see Bee. I did not see her, but when another girl came over to talk I asked about her, and when I mentioned she was the one with the big boobies she knew who I was talking about. She went and got her. (I had forgotten her number, which is 141.) That girl then remembered me, and pointed out to where I had been sitting with Bee on our previous 2 occasions. Bee was in the short skirt they wear, with her top opened up and breasts exposed. She was happy to see me, and she looked ravishing, but no conversation flowed. We talked a little, but I was hesitant to offer and LD and she didn't ask for one. It was time for her to dance and she left, and a short while later I snuck out It is not so much that I don't want to BF her, and I suppose I will go back and at least buy her a drink. I am still physically attracted her, but I have been there and done that twice, and the second time wasn't better than the first, so what is the point anymore? There are some other beautiful women to be with, though she is special.

Between Bliss and Sugar Baby, Sugar Baby was the winner. Bliss had more girls and, thus, more good looking girls. But I am respectful, and would not BF from Bliss with Fon there, nor from SB with Bee there. But Bliss I certainly recommend, but that BF can get you. Well, for that matter, the BF at both places is 1500. There are some lookers at Light House and their BF is just 700.

Went back down to I-Bar around 10:45 and it was still slow. Wnt to Red. Now I need to admit that this bar where they have singers and is not Red Car. I had mistaken this in the past, so in my past reports where I said Red Car I really meant Red. I am such a dummy. But I planted my butt at Red, had a real drink and should not have ordered those fries. Those steroids from Dr. Bangla (see my Phuket report on my contact dermatitis that caused me to go to that clinic) made me ravenous. They tasted fine, but the catsup was combined with mayo in same small container. I still don't understand mayo on fries. I tried to ask for just a container of catsup, but it was so freaking loud the waiter couldn't hear me. When the second act came on at about 10:30 they turned the music up louder. It was insanely loud. I put in my nerdy ear plugs, which brought the sound level form bleeding to merely splitting. I soon had to leave. These band members are going to have some tinnitus problems in a few more years. Only one band member I saw and any ear protection. After that, I finally figured out the place down the walk with the car in the way was THE Red Car, the disco. The sound coming down that little alley was ear bleeding so I didn't bother with it. I was tired and ready to go sleep. But, oh, I can go see Bell at the Light House first!

So I went there, not sure if I would just say Hi or if I might finally BF her. She saw me before I found her and she came right over. My soda water was 110 and her soft lady drinks were 150. Bell is bubbly and full of energy, always smiling, super tight, hard body but a little hard to understand. She wants me to BF her, saying I can do it today or tomorrow, but comments that I have been promising to BF her in the past and I never do. She plays with the boys a bit, but I know that if I see her tonight I will be low-energy and certainly unable to release with her just one night after my last (dern condoms), so I say I will come back tomorrow. She is a little disappointed, but more guys are coming in now so she might luck out anyway. The BF at Light House is just 700, which is good.

I leave and walk back to the hotel. I see no SWers until Soi 13, where there were several, but I just wanted to sleep. And I was feeling like a rat about lying to my Thai GF, who thinks I am leaving for home Sunday. Sigh. This girl is a keeper, and I am out cheating on her. She wanted to fly down the BKK to meet me at the airport to give me something she made for me. Sigh. Well, I have never made any commitments to her or ever used the L word, but if she knew what I was doing she would be devastated. Well, the time will come when I have to make a decision (or she will make it for me! She is supposed to be trying to get a visa, and this is a sore spot with me for reasons I won't delve in to, but if she gets it, then I will have to make a commitment. If she fails, then I don't know. I don't really want to marry her, and least not yet and not in Thailand. I could bring her over on a marriage visa, but I am not sure if after one visit I will be ready for that, or if I can get a second such visa if I later decide to go through with it. No way I want to live in Thailand, and I am not sure if she would consent to live in America, given her strong family ties. Sigh. Too many questions with no answers yet, so I keep mongering in the meantime.

But I digress. So, I go home empty, feeling like a cad to an extent, but not overly disappointed that I am alone. That Dr. Bangla fee set me back at little, but Sunday I hope to score on Soi 6, then I will have to decide about going to Bell for that long promised romp, or seeing someone else. I am a bit curious how it will be with Bell. She has an awesomely tight body, but how will that translate in bed? We have been friends of short, but will that translate to a near GFE? I have my doubts. Oh, I did ask her what her fee was. She said it would be up to me. Good answer. But I don't know.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876049]Writing these reports is becoming a refreshing time-killer, [/QUOTE]Yes, for me too. I get up, go eat breakfast and walk around, then come back and write about the prior nights experiences. Then I venture down to Soi 6, then come back and maybe do some more walking around, maybe get a bite, then back to the hotel to write of the Soi 6 (or wherever) adventure. Then a nap perhaps, and catching up on messages and the news, it is about time to head to WS, or even to search for an early evening SW.

So yes, I enjoy it, and it serves as a way to permanently document my adventures that I can delete from my computer.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1876567]it serves as a way to permanently document my adventures.[/QUOTE]I agree. I keep a journal of my adventures while travelling and I try to keep it up to date on a daily basis while the memories of the previous night remain vivid and fresh. Then after my trip when I am back home and have plenty of time, I go over my journal entries to edit & correct the grammar for posting purposes. In effect I re-live my good times when I go over them and make the final edit before posting.

I have found that without keeping a journal, many of my girls and many pleasurable nights sadly become vague and distant in my mind. Even the best nights begin to blur in my memory over time. But rereading a journal entry, even years later, brings it all back like it just happened. This is why I write.

Photos are real important as well to preserve those memories in a physical form and to serve as a quality control device. I am not kidding. If a girl still looks good to me 6 months after the night, then I KNOW I did good, but sometimes a photo evokes a "what the hell was I thinking" self response which focuses my attention to what I was thinking and doing right before I selected the "plain" girl. I then tend to choose wiser and not fall into bad decision traps on subsequent trips. Over the years this method has really helped hone my selection process ensuring the selection of pretty damn sexy hot girls every time and thus has greatly improved my game.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1876619]I agree. I keep a journal of my adventures while travelling and I try to keep it up to date ....[/QUOTE]I had beeing doing something similar but I stopped a decade ago or so owing to possible legal trouble down the road. Laws and law enforcement is not getting better by the day for mongers and even if it were possible to have copies of IDs etc, who knows what burden of proof will be imposed 5 years from now. This is made worse by the need of crossing borders with data carriers full of pics. I still have shoe boxes full of (paper) pics from the good old days. I guess I will have to burn them when I move for good.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876459]Yesterday I brought a young lady to my room and once there she asked for my number, then she rang it. It took me a short while to realize why.

Who can tell the reason? Mr E. And other residents please refrain to say - I'll come up with harder questions for you![/QUOTE]She wanted you to have her phone number in your phone?

AND / OR.

She wanted your phone number in her phone in case something bad happened to her and the authorities would have a record of who she was communicating with?

[QUOTE=XXL;1876635]I still have shoe boxes full of (paper) pics from the good old days. I guess I will have to burn them when I move for good.[/QUOTE]Or scan them and upload them to some anonymous cloud-based picture repository.

[QUOTE=David2;1876641]She wanted your phone number in her phone in case something bad happened to her and the authorities would have a record of who she was communicating with?[/QUOTE]Yes. Only since a recent time Thai SIMs are registered with an ID.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1876530]When you are going together with another person they charge double. At least that is what I have been paying. So 100 sounds about right. That is what they charged me last night when we left the restaurant and I live a little closer.[/QUOTE]That's cause you got the " The Good Looking, Most Interedting Guy in the World " discount!

And, I got the " Old Man Discount ".

Haha!




( think about it ...you'll get it sooner or later )

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876538]None of these 3.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she checked the phone number and said to herself, he's the " Old New Guy " ????

I know him from before. " he's the New Old Guy ".

😜

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876697]Yeah, she checked the phone number and said to herself, he's the " Old New Guy " ????
I know him from before. " he's the New Old Guy ".[/QUOTE]Spot on, I had been using that nick also! Then switched because of a lost password or something.

Just back from another night on the prowl. Engaged a slim looker at the Red Car, the sophisticated type with good English and silicone. Semi-friendly at the beginning, she said it was her first time there, whatever! Request 3K, but she was unhappy with my location (did I said that Naklua was OK? And passed a ton of attitude. No deal, actually she quickly turned unpleasant. My loss two drinks, which are quite cheap at RD.

The petite from my first night covers the pillar nearest to the bathrooms, if she could just deliver par to the look of her hotpants, legs and lips I would take her out 9 times out of 10.

Moved to Ibar, UV was doing his thing with Miss Hot Pattaya, drunk girls zonking out, massive young foreigners dragging their 1000 Bt special fare hos. The usual.

Next stop Marine. But I had no much energy left. Doing nothing all the day is fatiguing. Did not wanted to repeat a slim one from yesterday.

Unable to tell myself apart from the other leftovers, wrote off the night and took home Bt 10 of fried dough. Satisfaction guaranteed.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1876813]Spot on, I had been using that nick also! Then switched because of a lost password or something.

Just back from another night on the prowl. [/QUOTE]Both you guys are something else! Hats off! As for me, after the previous night's epic fail, I actually did not sleep well until after almost 4 pm. Woke up at about 1230 and did not feel like going out. Even though I was hungry and had only had yogurt, fruits water, strawberry milk and Doritos all day to clean out my system. LOL.

Super hungry now. And headed now to Central Festival at 1020 am. And from there to Sanctuary of Truth (part of the reason I did not want to go out last night) and will return to visit the Soi 6, 7 and other Soi bars which I have never seen (the other reason I wanted to be able to do day time activities rather than sleep all day after going to bed at 9 am for 3 straight nights).

Also, been researching the Tiger Zoo in Sriracha and will definitely check that out later this week, when I need a rest day. LOL.

Won't be drinking though until I head towards Walking Street around 1230 tonight. Will surely visit IBar and spend some extended time 808, and maybe Mixx too tonight, as suggested by Mr ENT.

BTW, for those newbies like me, Soi Diana has some decent accomdations with a good location. Such as LK Renaissance, Areca Lodge and a couple others (just seeing the view from the outside and many bars and LK Metro nearby). Whitehouse Condotel (mentioned by some here looked quite poor from the street and I'm glad I never gave that much time. Bay View Hotel looks great as well and anyone wanting a hotel may want to consider that. However, no Pattaya beach view. So, I think I made the right decision with View Talay 6, beach view balcony and really nice apt and service from DanceWatchers. Having Central Festival mall right next door also a huge plus, and being on 2nd road, of course, and around the corner from the Hilton.

Maybe I'll see you both (Old New Guy and Uncle V) around later. In Walking Street? Won't be checking here until late afternoon.

Ciao and cheers.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876385]2. Re throwing up, I just did not think she was that drunk. And if indeed she was to a point where she would need to throw up, it would be a huge turn off for me and it would have resulted in zero action on my part in bed. So, given that, maybe if she was indeed going to throw up, her leaving was probably best for both of us. I myself have only thrown up thrice in the last 11 years and I sure would not want anyone to be around me for at least 48 hrs after that. I thoroughly detest myself when I do it to myself and I'm very sure I did not have a single drink after that, on each occasion, at least for a week, because after I throw up, just the thought of drinking alcohol is a huge turn off for me. So, how I feel about that is consistent in both instances / or directionally.[/QUOTE]No offense mate, but you are to serious. Those line's show enough.

We all here understand your point, but you line out very strict limit's. Don't overstep those, otherwise I'm out of the game! Right?

Hell, you partying in the nightlife area of Thailand until SUN rises again! What do you expect from a 40 kg girl at this stage of day?

If those written principles are so important to you, why not rebalanced your own approach? 7 am in the morning won't get you a sober girl which is not throwing up. You may find out a better time by yourself.

You may find sober girls at this time, but those won't be very intriguing for the punter's, as they are themselves not very sober at the moment. Old vice versa problem haha.

Pattaya Trip Report, Take 2 Day 2.

Got up, collected my dirty clothes from Phuket and took them to my favorite spot on Soi 13/1, Porn Laundry. It was freaking hot at 10:30 in the sun. Went on down and over to Bay Watch for a real breakfast. On the way back to my hotel I got solicited by an older lady. No thanks. Worked on yesterdays' report and did some work, then it was time for Soi 6.

Went to Soi 6 at about 3 PM. There was the usual afternoon traffic backup on 2nd road. The weather is nice at least now. Cloudy and cooler, and it looks like it is raining to the Northwest. I plan to simply walk down Soi 6 until I find a reasonably attractive woman and not be too worried about not getting the best one and walking back and forth in a vain attempt to find her. So, I start walking and it seems the quality is a bit higher this time. I get about halfway down and I see a spinner with long hair with a nice face and smile at Smoke and Mirror, I believe it is. I go to her, and she seems almost surprised. But she is happy and takes my had to go inside. Her name is Ploy. As I look more closely I see that perhaps she is a bit older than I first thought, but she is thin, nice legs, curvy for a skinny girl, with obviously A sized boobs. Her hair is down to her waist, a little on the thin side unlike many girls who have such rich and luscious hair, and is slightly bleached to be a dark blonde or brownish color. I hesitate and think that I can do better, but with her cute face and cute smile, I continue one with her. She seems happy. The bar fine there is the standard 300 with 1000 for the girl.

I buy my soda water and buy her a drink, then we go upstairs. We have to go up the third floor, but in this building the stairs, though steep, have a handrail, so it is not too big a problem. We halfway undressed each other and, with the final shedding of clothes, she led me to the shower and washed me. In bed, she asked what I wanted and I said to go slow, and to not be worried if cannot not release. We started touching and she revealed that she actually had 2 kids! There are no stretch marks I can find on her, and her boobs, while quite small, don't appear to have been sucked on. She said she tried to breast feed them, and her breasts were big for a while, but I guess both babies preferred the bottle. She also said she was 28. She guessed my age and was off by over 10 years. Maybe being nice, but she seemed really surprised that I was at an age once called elderly. Also nice was she said my manhood was large. It isn't, but always nice to hear. I do keep hearing I am a good size for Asian women, which is another way to say I am average for a western guy I suppose. But average is fine with me.

After the touching with some light kissing, she proceeded with a BBBJ. It really wasn't all that good. Then the cover (we used hers, as I had forgotten to take mine). She was wet and even with two kids, she felt pretty good inside, all things considered, but she certainly didn't have to wiggle to get me in. We started in cowboy, then switched to missionary until I got tired, then to doggy. I really tried to pound her, and she was moaning and gave me the thumbs up sign several times. Later she told me I did it like a young man. We switched back to missionary and engaged in some FK, and there were a few times I thought I might be able to release, but I didn't push it. I stopped when the feelings stopped being so good. We cuddled and talked some more. She is leaving tomorrow to go home to Isaan to visit her family. She says she does this every month. Got to be hard to leave your kids to go screw men for money. But with no men to screw for money, she would be in a world of hurt.

But she was nice, caring and accommodating. I think I could have found someone else better looking, but she was a good choice. I have no real regrets.

I did consider stepping into another place for a second round, but decided not to. I instead had a late lunch at Subway on the way back. Tonight it will be WS, and I have to decide if I will do Bell tonight or skip out on her again. I don't know. I still have that gut feeling it will be a disaster, but I really need to get with her just to see. She might be amazing. If she had a softer voice or was easier to understand I might be ready to jump on her. I don't know.

Was late to WS, not arriving until 10 PM. I took the baht bus down and I must say I have never seen so may SWers on BR. From Soi 13 down to Bay Watch, dozens and dozens of them, many appearing to be halfway decent and most of them actual, real girls. Arriving at WS, I was hungry so back the New York Diner for more fried rice. I had their 12 baht chocolate mousse which was frozen solid. Forget it. Better to McDonald's and get an Oreo blizzard.

I left and saw the young girl who does the gymnastics. I remember her from last year, and my has she grown!

I go in to Bliss, asking about Fon. The gal I speak to has no idea who Fon is. I leave without buying a drink. I later message Fon asking if she is still in town, and she answers yes. I reply that I came to see her, but no more bar fines! No response yet.

Went to Sky Fall. A lot of reasonably nice women here. My soda was 120. But I was not really feeling it. This techno music is grating on my ears. Then went to Iron. Didn't like their music either! Haha Talked to several girls, both doable. I bought one a drink. A friend came over and sat next to her and asked for a drink, too, but I declined. Some girls sat on the other side of me and one started talking. She later asked for a drink, but I decided I was going to leave. I instead gave her 40. That was cheaper than a 180 LD.

I stopped into the read Red Car disco. This was around 12:30 AM I guess. It was full but not packed. Interesting, but I didn't stay. I then decided to go to Light House and see Bell. She was there and excited again to see me. After a bit I bar fined her, curious as to how she would turn out. I had a gut feeling it would not be that great.

At the hotel in the light, I could tell she was older than I may have first thought, certainly being over 30, though it really is not that obvious. Her body looks young and is quite toned. I was surprised that her breasts were enhanced up to a see. I couldn't really tell from the outfits she wears. But she needed the enhancement as she had large nipple and they need a see size. So, this was my first clue that she was a mommie. You can barely tell from her stomach that she is however. The enhancement looks ok but was not well executed. You can feel the bag, which is a slight downer. Anyway, contrary to my gut, she gave one awesome BBBJ. Truly outstanding. She worked hard, had my entire rod wet with her saliva, and she kept at it for a long while. It was as good as a GF hoping for that engagement ring might provide. Then the cover. She felt nice inside, and not super tight that may seem nice in theory but I am not so sure in practice. We did various positions and she was active an energetic the entire time. And yes I released with her. I was exhausted and dripping in sweat, but I got the job done. I gave her 2000. We never talked price, but I figured a base of 1500 was fair, and she earned the 500 tip. So, yeah, I can recommend Bell at Light House. I may now never see her again, but I am glad I finally consummated our relationship.

I went to bed exhausted. I am again having problems sleeping, and my skin is still itching.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1875093]Fucking hell. She sounds amazing! She certainly was not there last night after 2 AM. Maybe she got snapped up by some lucky SOB? A lot of guys were out last night it seemed.

I will be on the lookout for her. Though I prefer my ladies petite.

There is a girl that sounds just like her at What's Up. She is one of the models that does the shows. A real stunner. But I am sure she'd cost a fortune. And no guarantee of GFE.

BTW: IMHO there are some serious lookers at What's Up these days. 3 or 4 of the models are just stunning. And from the regular girls numbers 26, 28 and 48 are gorgeous too.

But prices are steep. I was quoted 1500 BF and 3K ST, 5K LT by #48. And for LT she said she only would stay till 6AM!. Outrageous. I did not even counter offer.[/QUOTE]What is that? $180 USD? For an entire night. I assume it includes BBBJ? What about CIM. If she is young enough and decent looking, that is bloody cheap is it not?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1877032]What is that? $180 USD? For an entire night. I assume it includes BBBJ? What about CIM. If she is young enough and decent looking, that is bloody cheap is it not?[/QUOTE]Not cheap for Thailand, especially in Pattaya. As discussed many times: you can't take your home market VFM prices and transfer them here. Different market, different pricing scale. If you overpay the girls will not see you as generous; they will perceive you as a chump [I]farang[/I] and a potential mark who is unfamiliar with the local scene.

SL.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1877032]What is that? $180 USD? For an entire night. I assume it includes BBBJ? What about CIM. If she is young enough and decent looking, that is bloody cheap is it not?[/QUOTE]No my friend it is way too expensive. The typical LT rate in Pattaya is 2000 B (60 US $). Max 3000 B (85 US $) if she is a young spinner.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1877049]No my friend it is way too expensive. The typical LT rate in Pattaya is 2000 B (60 US $). Max 3000 B (85 US $) if she is a young spinner.[/QUOTE]I am talking about the prices for the top gogo girls at the top gogos.

You are quoting him FL prices.

Apples and oranges.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1876874]And headed now to Central Festival at 1020 am. And from there to Sanctuary of Truth (part of the reason I did not want to go out last night) and will return to visit the Soi 6, 7 and other Soi bars which I have never seen (the other reason I wanted to be able to do day time activities rather than sleep all day after going to bed at 9 am for 3 straight nights).

[/QUOTE]Did you ever get over to Soi 3? If so, how did that turn out for you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877082]Did you ever get over to Soi 3? If so, how did that turn out for you?[/QUOTE]Not yet Mr ENT. But I will in the next couple of days and let you know. From VT 6 I saw Soi 9 was real close and then 8 and so I thought Soi 6 was just a bit further ahead! So, I am wondering how far Soi 3 actually is from Soi 6. ? Will have to discover. I actually liked Soi 6 but did not get to see the other Soi's as I was with Uncle V and OLDNEWGUY, since Uncle V is leaving early AM.

I did get a taxi with AC to take me to the Santuary of Truth earlier today, wait for me and come back for 600 Baht, so I'm thinking even if Soi 3 is pretty far up from Soi 6 I should be fine getting there soon enough. In my first few days, until this afternoon, all my travels had been exclusively in the direction of Walking Street and I stayed out until 7 am on 3 consecutive nights! LOL.

Tonight, I will spend some decent time, at least 1. 5 hours each at Mixx and 808, and I'll let you know how I do.

Soi 3 later this week. Also, need to check out the other Sois between VT 6 and Soi 6. BTW, I finally figured out where I stayed on my last visit in 2002! It was at the Dusit Thani for just 2 nights and I remember in those days having found a nice girl I took LT from one of the beer bars on Naklau road (seems like most of those bars are now gone) and another Go Go place, but still have not figured out which one. I know I never made it to Walking Street on my last trip, so I don't know, and I'm sure it's gone by now (and I found a nice go go girl there then for LT but don't recollect where that was, but it was a corner one and there were many gogos in that area then. . In other words, I still have a lot to discover and even more to learn, particularly about how sensitive Thai women can be ( I am just not sensitive and don't care much for sensitive women and even less about jealous women ). Partly why I like Latin girls since they are ( relatively) cool and OK with it, and I never discuss dineros with them ahead of time. Here it is different ball game for me, and one I need to learn to deal with within my head. !!!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1877118]Not yet Mr ENT. But I will in the next couple of days and let you know. From VT 6 I saw Soi 9 was real close and then 8 and so I thought Soi 6 was just a bit further ahead! So, I am wondering how far Soi 3 actually is from Soi 6. ?[/QUOTE]LOL. Same thing happened to me my second time in Pattaya. I met a chick online who worked in an internet cafe. She told me it was Jomtien Soi 5. I didn't know what a Jomtien was then, but I knew I was staying on Soi 8. So I walked toward Soi 7 and kept walking. And kept walking. Then I was like fuck this. Don't remember how I eventually found out that Jomtien was another part of town. Maybe the hotel reception told me. And I ended up taking a motorbike taxi there only to find out the girl was on vacation and had gone back home. We did end up getting together on my next trip though.

In your case, Soi 3 is not far from Soi 6. I think it is at the corner where the Sabai Soapy Massage is.

I read Viper Bar, the old Sapphire Lodge, got raided a couple weeks ago and they found nothing. Now I hear they're shut down for 5 years. There were some ok girls there so hopefully they hopped over to nearby Kinnaree Place. I'm looking for this girl. If anyone knows where she went it would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1877065]I am talking about the prices for the top gogo girls at the top gogos.

You are quoting him FL prices.

Apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]180 USD is fucking cheap if she is young and hot and she does as instructed.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1877273]180 USD is fucking cheap if she is young and hot and she does as instructed.[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Cheap compared to Western prices. But Kind of expensive compared to the FL route. If you have a little game you can score a comparable FL at Ibar for for a fraction of that price. And she may be a better lay to and will stay with you longer.

But if you are looking for the easy uncomplicated route it is still affordable.

The catch for us who have been coming here for a few years is that the prices have just skyrocketed in the gogos while FL prices have increased more moderately.

I read a lot about LT prices for gogo girls and FL's but what is a fair price for a top soi 6 girl from say midnight to noon? Am I in the ballpark with 2500 baht? I paid a Kinnaree girl (7 pm to 1 pm) that and she was quite happy so I'm wondering if I paid too much. The good part is no BF compared to gogo girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1877230]I read Viper Bar, the old Sapphire Lodge, got raided a couple weeks ago and they found nothing. Now I hear they're shut down for 5 years. There were some ok girls there so hopefully they hopped over to nearby Kinnaree Place. I'm looking for this girl. If anyone knows where she went it would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Wow one of the best I have seen here on ISG. Congrats!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1877307]I read a lot about LT prices for gogo girls and FL's but what is a fair price for a top soi 6 girl from say midnight to noon? Am I in the ballpark with 2500 baht? I paid a Kinnaree girl (7 pm to 1 pm) that and she was quite happy so I'm wondering if I paid too much. The good part is no BF compared to gogo girls.[/QUOTE]300 baht barfine on Soi 6 is usual.

A top performer in Soi 6 will already have several STs under her belt by midnight and she will be rather tired or drunk or both. Barfining her more early will get you a more fresh (relatively speaking) companion.

1. Per Mr. ENT's suggestion I first went to 808 ( btw, anyone know the genesis of this name, since it is the area code for Hawaii and there is actually an 808 clothing company.) at about 130 am (well I took a nap first) and spent about 1. 5 hours and 2 drinks there. I really liked the place, the music, and there were some girls that I liked, However, the smoking situation in 808 seemed worse than at Ibar and Insomnia. Also, I had a pretty near impossible time, even on a Monday night, to maneuver around to check out the talent, and IMO it's because of the layout and the big circular bar in the center and its largish bar stools. I was able to get up near the stage after about 45 minutes, but never did get around to the opposite side of the bar. So, I probably only saw the talent in about a thirds of the area. Also, I think, there is only one toilet area (at the entrance) and so the traffic flow back and forth to the toilet seemed incessant, creating logjams and pushing. Anyways, only due to the layout and the smoking situation I decided I would haul my ass over to Mixx.

But, as I passed Ibar, there were Hip Hop party signs and I thought I would check it out before heading to Mixx. LOL, Mixx never happened.

After just one drink at Ibar, I went up to my favorite hangout at Insomnia. Two things seemed different on this Monday, versus the weekend nights. The crowd was still about 90 PC of before, but the girl to guy ratio was much better last night. And, I saw quite a few new girls there on Monday. I suspect it may have been because of the hip hop party below and some girls preferring to go when it's not so crowded, or maybe some did not score over the weekend elsewhere. I'd say there was still 25 PC or so of the regular girls. Tonight, perhaps because of the girl - guy ratio I was getting some decent vibes from a number of girls. I still bided my time and enjoyed dancing until at about 530 am, and this girl (who I am pretty sure I had seen before) , smiled at me, touched me gently and said " I want to go with you ". Well, as we all know, with FL and GFE it is best to let the girl select you and then you can decide yay, or nay. But, this girl was cute, well dressed and I dare say pretty and danced really, really well (super important for me) and had a nice attitude, and bubbly personality. Later find out she is 20 (has a 2 year old) and is from Buriram. And she said she's been here for 2 months. And she has an older sister she shares an apt with (she volunteered saying they pay 7000 Baht a month, she pays 3 and her older sister pays 4. Based on her English, and ability to dance really, really well, particularly hip hop, I think perhaps she has been here a bit longer than 2 months. But, who knows and frankly none of my business.

Anyway, I talked a bit, bought some drinks and we danced pretty intensely for at least an hour. She also did a few shots. Somewhere, during the dancing, I said you want to come with me and she said yes, and I said ok 2000 LT. For a second, she looked like she was going to counter but did not. And just smiled. And, after the intense dancing, about 45 minutes later, she said lets go after we finish our drinks. We left at about 6 am (I don't remember exact times once we started dancing) and she wanted to get something to eat at NY diner, which we did, and then hopped on a m cycle taxi and made it to VT 6.

She was really nice in the room, with a little bit of class (meaning the light touch) but spoke decent English. She showered first and then said she wanted to give me a massage, after asking if I was tired. She initiated this. So, I took a shower, she gave a good foot and up to the chest area massage for a good 20 minutes. She was really, really nice. We then had a decent fuck but I was quite beat and probably only lasted 10-15 minutes, all told once we started. I think I did luck out. She left at about 1230 , and I paid her 2500.

She was very gracious and very cute. And I think since she intiated the dialogue at Insomnia, just maybe she felt something, some sort of connection. ( I believe our DNA, which the double helix is now proven to be a quantum mechanics set up, may resonate at certain frequencies and this we have todate been calling ' chemistry '.). But, things may be way more complicated than that. Anyways, Enough chemistry, to want to go with me. BTW! I saw a girl before that (as she was returning from the WC and she was new and super pretty and super classy, no more than 23. I said Hi, she talked for a bit but she seemed to be with someone and was sitting by the wall at a table. One other really hot girl, I tried to speak with actually declined interest in the first 5 seconds. So, I think, if one is lucky, better to let it come to you, in some way, shape or form.

Well, she will return at about 9 pm (she is hitting the gym at 6 pm) , she wants to do a movie at Central Festival (I asked if it would be in English and she yeah, that's what she likes too). After that, we will be hitting Insominia again at about midnight and I've already agreed a price for tonight, she never tried to negotiate and actually seemed totally cool about what I proposed. So, I don't know. Lets see how things go tonight and I will report back. She seemed perfect for me, in terms of wanting to dance and ability to dance well, not trying to negotiate money, and several times she said she liked me and of course I reciprocated. So, I think I did luck out. BTW, she was not short ( maybe 5' 3 or 4 "), not super petite , and a pretty face, with really genuine personality in my opinion.

On a crazier note, throughout my life I have found that what comes to me is always better than what I go after, whether it be a job or whatever. And, so many times (including at Ibar / Insomnia and from when I was in my 20's, I've had a bizarre life, statically speaking, in terms of things seeming to intercede at the last second, and preclude my proactive attempts, and then good things come to me. I have no idea how, but being a serious stats guy, I'd say the odds have always been bizarro. I mean the combined probability of all the things in my life, would be in billion trillion range. One reason, (amongst several others), I embarked on this traveling journey about 3 years ago, to try or attempt to understand the Universe (from primarily a physics, biology and neuroscience standpoint) , quantum mechanics and free will and consciousness. Hey, we may indeed be living in some sort of mathematical universe and perhaps some sort of Matrix type thingy. Don't know. This is all just intellectual exploration for me. Not because of last night, but another data point in a series of improbable occurrences in my life. But, stats strike again in my local Universe. But, please do NOT get me wrong, I'm not looking for a GF, a wife or anything. I don't fall in love. My first and most significant love is indeed with intellectual dance with my Universe (meaning we may all be living in a Multiverse.) Anyone who is interested can PM me for more reading material, if you so desire and have some college work in physics and math. If you want suggestions to read re this crazy stuff. Anyways, enough of weird bull shit from me...... To be continued.

Pattaya Trip Report, Take 2 Day 3.

Work up in a daze from a poor night's sleep again. Wondered down to Bay View for breakfast, finally waking up from the sun and heat. The forecast called for rain from 11 to 3 pm, at was after 10. Never rained a drop all day. Sigh.

Came back to the apartment to do some work and writing then before I knew it, it was 2:30 PM and time to hit Soi 6. The traffic was not as bad today, so it didn't take too long to get there. I was not overly impressed with the offerings again today. And, I note that around this time a lot of the girls are eating, preventing one from getting a good look at them. I walk all the wall down, the come back, and walk down again. I am embarrassed to keep walking, so on I duck into a bar on the South side to get a refreshing beverage and watch the people. I end up watching a fully covered lady across the street clean up old paint in a bar that is being totally renovated. Even in the shade, I see these people dressed in heavy long sleeved shirts and wonder if they would be cooler if they de-layered. But, they should know better than me. They live here and work in this environment. I then see her glance over this way, her seeing some dudes and some girls sitting around in the shade, and I wonder if she is happier to be where she is right now than over here, dressed in a skimpy outfit sitting around and staying cool. Society often looks down on sex workers, but is screwing a man voluntarily a few times a day better than to be doing all that hot, manual labor? I don't know.

I leave and head back east and pass Offshore Bar and see a pretty gal. I go over and decide she is cute with a spinner body and I accept her invitation to go inside. Her name is Bay and, I learn, is 29 and has a child. She really looks so much younger. You cannot tell, until you see her boobs, that she is a mother. She seems to be new to this and her English is very poor. She used a phone with a translation app to help us talk. An Isaan girl, of course, but nice, cuddly and very much doable. The BF here is 350 and I assume she is 1000.

After we both drink come Coke, we go upstairs. We shower and we do some cuddling, touching and light kissing in bed. Her nipples are quite long, which I don't particularly find attractive, mounted to a set of A cups. Her slender figure and legs, and pretty face and smile, make up for the unflattering nipples. She was close to GFE like for some the activity, in the way she smiles and looks at you. This was all nice, and she climbed on top for what I assumed would be a BBBJ, but she instead did some kissing, caressing and touching that was quite intimate, then went for the cover. Hmm, no BJ at all I guess. Not a big problem for me however, and she may have done it had I asked. She slipped her body on to mine and it felt good. She was not tight, but comfortable. It felt pretty good, much like with Bell. She does the cowgirl quite well and she seems to be enjoying it, as she moaned gently and smiled a lot. I roll her over for miss and it is feeling good and I wonder if I might be able to get a second release in as many days. I have to do doggie on her, so we do that, then back to miss where, yes, I manage to cross the line! Yeah for me. Now that might be my last release in Pattaya now, and perhaps I should have held off for this evening, but a release is a release, so enjoy it when you can get them. I am using my Aoni condoms and they are now working out well. Key is to keep lubricated, and she had lube with her.

After the release, she didn't fidget to get me to pull out, and when I did I collapsed next to her and we some more touching and kissing. It felt nice. Never once had the feeling she wished she was doing something else, like scraping paint off old walls. I gave her 1200 and she was very happy. So, yeah, nice time with Bay at Offshore.

I then, on the recommendation of Bell, went to Sizzler for an early dinner. It was nice. Used to go to one back home, but that has been a long time ago. Then, I went to pick up my laundry, and back to the hotel to write and rest until WS tonight. I have been thinking about checking some of the SW girls out there instead however, so I don't know. I have 3 more night here, and just enough money to last if I am careful, to where I don't have to hit an ATM. I went out shopping at about 8 PM, searching for some tee shirts that were in abundance in Phuket and I wanted but decided to put off until here, and I can't find them here. Sigh. In the shopping I have managed to do, it seems like all the shops are selling the same things. I get ready to head to WS around 9:30 PM. I look in the mirror and my hair is dirty. I need to wash it. Been several days. Yuck. I never go this long without washing my hair at home. But, I don't. I will do it tonight.

Visited a few gogos on WS that evening. The Sexy Airline place was too buys. Crammed. I walked right out. Tried Fahrenheit. Fair number of girls but most overweight, but there were a couple of cuties. A largish girl with pretty face and hair comes over. She is all smile and quickly asks for a drink. I decline. She takes it well and goes after another guy. Nothing really caught my fancy, here or anyplace else, but I am tired and ready to go home. I though of hitting Sugar Baby to see Bee, but didn't. I thought of going to Light House to see Bell and say Hello, but didn't. I thought of checking Bliss to see if Fon was there, but I didn't. But I go in to Red Car at about 11:00 and stayed there an hour, drinking a real drink and just watching things happen. It started out fairly empty with a number of free tables, but was filling up good when I finally left. Nothing happened, but drinks there are quite reasonable and the music inside was not overly loud. Checked I-Bar next and it was starting to hop, but I didn't stay. Did some more wondering around and stuff, ultimately returning to Red Card around 1:30 AM I suppose. Got a drink (Bangkok Breeze is a good non-alcoholic drink there for the price of a soda water at some of the gogos) and walked around. An older, but pretty, lady smiled at me and I said Hello, but kept wondering, thinking I might go back to her. I have been gouging myself on the younger ones, so maybe a mature lady would be a good change. I am thinking some companionship would be better than simply sex. I walk on and there are two girls together, I say Hi to one and she kinds of dumps me on her friend, who seems older but is in a nice red party dress. I am not really interested but she grabs hold and starts dancing, bouncing her butt into by privates so, well, ok, I can let her do that for a little while. I really want to move on but, long story short, her friend seems to tell her she should leave with me. Um, well, I don't know. She is overweight, but breasts seem largish, probably has a kid or two, but she is visiting from Cambodia, been in a town a month and, I guess wants to party. Well, ok. Maybe it will be free or low cost at least, and a real GFE experience. I can manage that, and I am depressed so it might do me good.

But I am still not exactly sure what is going on due to English issues with her and the friend, and due to the noise. I am a bit uncomfortable with all of this. The friend seems like she is ready to leave alone, so I walk out with the girl (not sure I ever got her name) to where it is quieter to try to find out what is happening. But, yeah, I guess she wants to go with me to my hotel. I am not totally comfortable with this, though while she is happy to an extent, she seems shy about it and I am not sure if her friend over-encouraged her or what. Maybe I am old fashioned and I think we have been together for far too short a time for this to be happening. But, oh well, I am curious as to how this will all progress, and I had already grown comfortable that I might go home alone tonight so if things break down, that will be ok, so I let things progress.

We leave WS and she says she wants to get out of her party dress, and that her apartment is nearby. Turns out it is on Soi 13/1, next to my street. We walk the entire way on BR, me noticing that most of the SW girls are gone. We turn down 13/1 and I learn she stays above a bar. In fact, turns out she works here! She tells me to get a drink while she changes clothes. I get charged 40 baht for my soda. She come out and orders a bear. I pay for that. She is dressed now in jean shorts and a tee-shirt. At Red Car she seemed reasonably attractive, I mean a 6. Now, ugh. I even noticed a tooth sticking out from the side. How can I get out of this? She tells me this is her birthday. Ugh. Can I close my eyes and do this? I am still curious, and I am saying I am tired and just want to sleep to give me an out. Then she adds this was the first time she had gone out to celebrate since arriving. Sigh.

So we leave to my hotel, and I was so happy when the folks at Dynasty refused to accept a copy of her passport, so she could not get in! I escorted her back, dropped her off and tried to rush away after she went inside. But she came back out and hollered at me. I came back. I was thinking she might get her passport to take, but she didn't, but wanted to know what was happening. I repeated I was tired and really wanted to sleep, so I might come by tomorrow to see her. A coworker came over and said if it was a hotel issue they had cheap rooms there! Yikes, I guess she is a hooker there? This is a brothel bar! (Sorry, I did not get the name and I won't be venturing to Soi 13/1 again this trip to get it!) So she is visiting from Cambodia to work in a bar and give sex? I refused the room, saying I didn't want to do it that way. I really did not think she was a sex worker. I then finally managed to back out and hightail it out of there!

But I returned via BR rather than the shorted 2nd road as, actually, I wanted to check out for any doable SW girls as a last chance opportunity. I mean, I may be tired and all, but I am here and pussy is cheap and available, and I won't be getting much when I get back home. Need to do it all now. There were just a few SW girls on BR, but no one I was interested in. Turning up Soi 13 a slender woman, obviously returning from an outcall, saw me. I said Hi, she came over and took my arm, but I saw she was older and not really attractive to me, so I said no thanks and went back alone, showered alone and crawled into bed alone. When I reentered the hotel, I gave a hearty thankyou to the desk crew for saving me. My error, of course, was to settle for the girl who grabbed me who I was not interested in. Second error was that since I never had any sort of attraction for her, I just should have said have a good evening and walked on. I should not have let my curiosity about how it would all play out interfere. Soooo, maybe I will try again here tomorrow night. I am beginning to get a sense of how things work here.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1877370]1. Per Mr. ENT's suggestion I first went to 808 ( btw, anyone know the genesis of this name, since it is the area code for Hawaii and there is actually an 808 clothing company.) at about 130 am (well I took a nap first) and spent about 1. 5 hours and 2 drinks there. I really liked the place, the music, and there were some girls that I liked, However, the smoking situation in 808 seemed worse than at Ibar and Insomnia. Also, I had a pretty near impossible time, even on a Monday night, to maneuver around to check out the talent, and IMO it's because of the layout and the big circular bar in the center and its largish bar stools. I was able to get up near the stage after about 45 minutes, but never did get around to the opposite side of the bar. So, I probably only saw the talent in about a thirds of the area. Also, I think, there is only one toilet area (at the entrance) and so the traffic flow back and forth to the toilet seemed incessant, creating logjams and pushing.[/QUOTE]You solved your own problem without even knowing it. Why worry about going to the stage when all the women are eventually going to go to the toilet? I have an assigned seat right in the doorway. That first chair on the left side? That is all me. If a woman is sitting there when I walk in she gets up and tells me that the chair is warm for me. In that spot there is no smoke, the music is not as loud, it is much cooler, and I see every woman going in and out. When someone passes that I like I grab her hand and start the process. Chill and laid back is the key. I don't go to the discos to party; I go to find somebody to fuck.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877392]You solved your own problem without even knowing it. Why worry about going to the stage when all the women are eventually going to go to the toilet? I have an assigned seat right in the doorway. That first chair on the left side? That is all me. If a woman is sitting there when I walk in she gets up and tells me that the chair is warm for me. In that spot there is no smoke, the music is not as loud, it is much cooler, and I see every woman going in and out. When someone passes that I like I grab her hand and start the process. Chill and laid back is the key. I don't go to the discos to party; I go to find somebody to fuck.[/QUOTE]On the first suggestion, good strategy, good suggestion. Point noted, filed and actionable.

On the second, just fucking no longer does it for me. So, YMMV. I want to dance and party. And that happiness lasts for several hours, at least. For me, I'm no longer good at the fucking part, and so it works best for me when it is integrated into a holistic experience, involving all the senses and whatever chemistry or connection that just happens.

But, this is a low probability outcome. However, when the outcome happens, the intrinsic sensory and pleasure receptor rewards are high for me. So much so, that the lower event probability outcome, times the reward outcome, is greater than a higher probability event outcome , but resulting in lower relative reward level ( particularly as over the years there are decreasing marginal returns). And, so another fuck, and a mundane, run of the mill experience is exactly what it is......just rinse and repeat.

So, I often ask myself, okay I fucked. So what? For me, there's got to be more! And I prefer quality over quantity all the time. YMMV for sure! As a matter of fact, IF we were all the same, the world would be one boring place. So, yeah different strokes for different folks. We are all made and evolve differently during our life and it's life stages. Whatever works for each.

IMO there is no way to compare or contrast between multiple conscious entities. As we all experience everything in life inside our heads/ brains , including at the time of fucking and ejaculation and wherever our mental processes are both consciously and non- consciously (I do not mean sub- conscious here) going on. in ones brain during that physical process. And I'd say there is plethora of options here such as a feeling of conquest, as just one example). People get different things out of fucking. Each of us does what brain does or makes us do, for the most part. Free will is actually a dubious concept. We may all just have the appearance of free will.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1877381]

Work up in a daze from a poor night's sleep again. [/QUOTE]FLHawk, you do sound depressed. Cumless sex aside, I'd just recommend that you stay properly hydrated and get plenty of sleep. The latter seems hard for you at the moment. But hey, it did work out for you on Soi 6!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1877381]
She is dressed now in jean shorts and a tee-shirt. At Red Car she seemed reasonably attractive, I mean a 6. Now, ugh. I even noticed a tooth sticking out from the side. How can I get out of this? [/QUOTE]Hah! That is such an image you paint for us, I shudder to think. But you have such a deadpan style of writing, it's a real pleasure to read.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1877381]I said no thanks and went back alone, showered alone and crawled into bed alone. [/QUOTE](Probably) for the best. Keep your chin up my friend, you have a couple of more days of this mania to go, and I for one am looking forward to reading about it.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1877431]FLHawk, you do sound depressed. Cumless sex aside, I'd just recommend that you stay properly hydrated and get plenty of sleep. The latter seems hard for you at the moment. But hey, it did work out for you on Soi 6!

Hah! That is such an image you paint for us, I shudder to think. But you have such a deadpan style of writing, it's a real pleasure to read.

(Probably) for the best. Keep your chin up my friend, you have a couple of more days of this mania to go, and I for one am looking forward to reading about it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words.

I did sleep better last night and had a great experience on Soi 6 this afternoon that you will all be reading about tomorrow I guess. So, yeah, I am feeling better and want my last two days here to go well.

I may actually go back to Soi 6 this evening, then go back to Red Car, or even stop by I-Bar, to see what happens. I have more that fulfilled my quota for women-bedding this trip, and I was starting to enjoy the hunting process last night, for the first time ever, until I got sidetracked. But who knows what my crazy mind will chose to do. I could have some engaging conversations with Haven about this.

808 is giving respect to the infamous Roland TR-808 that I think still today can be heard in many new top hip hop hits.

QUOTE=Haven123.

1. Per Mr. ENT's suggestion I first went to 808 (BTW, anyone know.

The genesis of this name, since it is the area code for Hawaii and there is actually an 808 clothing company.).

Haven123, buddy!

I am so glad you popped your cherry! I don't know how it is for you, but for me I find the trip gets better from then on out. I feel more relaxed and ready to enjoy things after I have "planted the flag" as my friend Illusionheart likes to say.

I think your trip will get letter and better from here on out. I just wish I could be there to enjoy with you. I left Pattaya this morning with a heavy heart, as always. But I know it will be only a couple of months before I am back.

Hold the fort for me 555. And keep us posted on how things are going. So we can live vicariously through you.

Stay horny my friend.

UncleV.

One more point Haven123, buddy.

I know it worked for you last night but I wouldn't rely on the girl always approaching me. There are a lot of sweet, sexy girls that are too shy to do that. So you will be denying yourself a chance to get at them.

Also you may end up getting stuck with a girl you don't like (see FLHawk's post below).

If you are too shy for a direct approach do so indirectly. Park yourself oposite your target and keep glancing over. If she return s your glances you are in and can make your approach.

Just some thoughts.

UncleV.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1877527]One more point Haven123, buddy.

I know it worked for you last night but I wouldn't rely on the girl always approaching me. There are a lot of sweet, sexy girls that are too shy to do that. So you will be denying yourself a chance to get at them.

Also you may end up getting stuck with a girl you don't like (see FLHawk's post below).

If you are too shy for a direct approach do so indirectly. Park yourself oposite your target and keep glancing over. If she return s your glances you are in and can make your approach.

Just some thoughts.

UncleV.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree. BTW, one thing I've noticed is that at Insomnia the shy ones and the new ones or solo weekend warriors (maybe) tend to stand right in front of the DJ booth in the narrow ledge area where one sets ones drinks.

And, BTW, I'm not a shy guy most of the time. However, I have become super, super picky in my old age! LOL.

I'm just not a transactional guy anymore.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;1877492]808 is giving respect to the infamous Roland TR-808 that I think still today can be heard in many new top hip hop hits.

QUOTE=Haven123.

1. Per Mr. ENT's suggestion I first went to 808 (BTW, anyone know.

The genesis of this name, since it is the area code for Hawaii and there is actually an 808 clothing company.).[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks man, good to know it's related to music.

Pattaya Trip Report, Take 2 Day 4.

I sleep a little better. Not itching quite so much now. Hope this contact dermatitis is finally starting to resolve itself. I know it sure has been itching in the sunshine! Anyway, I woke up around 10 AM and left for breakfast and some more shopping. Then after some writing and working, headed up towards Soi 6 around 2 PM. I had run out my Cialis generic 2 days ago. This stuff has been awesome. I have been taking a tablet a day, and might be able to get by with taking that amount every other day. It is called Apcalis-sx20. Forgot the cost, I posted it 2 weeks ago, but worth it. I took another tablet before hitting Soi 6 to get me reprimed. I walked down checking out girls and stopped at Lisa Bar, seeing a really cute girl. Not a spinner, who I define as someone super thin, but still very slender with real curves. No extra fat, just a slightly larger and taller girl. Her face is a little more exotic than the typical Thai, and that put me off for a moment, but after a few seconds I began to like the look, so I went inside with her. She sat me down then cooled me with a cool towelette, as many do. She smiled, kissed me a little, cuddled close, spoke decent English, and soon we both had drinks. Her name was Nam, which took back. I had some issues with a Soi 6 girls named Nam. This girl was also from north of Bangkok, and the other Nam was from Bangkok. This girl said she had been there about a month. The other Nam, two weeks ago, said she had been there about 2 weeks. What the? Different bar, and this girl certainly looked a lot different and rather than be distant with poor English, she was conversing very well and clearly showing she wanted to be with me.

Anyway, typical BF of 300 and 1000 for her. We go upstairs and strip down for the shower. She has super soft skin, A-sized boobies which showed no obvious signs of being suckled, a flat stomach with no signs of stretchmarks that my weak eyes can distinguish, long brownish hair, a bit on the thin side down to her lower back, and she is just super cute. Shower is typical, but with a little bit of playing, then back to the room and quickly things change. For the better. Standing, she starts kissing me, touching me and this is like it could possibly be a near-GFE. Every other girl has had me lie down (or maybe I am just trained to lie down), but we are standing and embracing and then she gets on her knees and goes down on me. Not sure even a GF has ever done that to me. She looks up at me occasionally, which is so hot, and gets in come DT action, taking me all the way in. Wow. Maybe this is more of PSE than GFE.

We hop in to bed and she continues with the BBBJ, then puts on the cover (hers, not mine) and climbs on. She is not super tight, so maybe she is a mommie, or maybe I am getting seconds, I don't know, but she feels good. She rides me good for a good long while, then I roll her over for some mish. Her kissing, touches and overall great looks are bring me close to the edge. Can I make it three days in a row with condoms?? I have to do her doggie, so I roll her over. I am looking at her figure and noting it is really just the perfect size for me. I have had the thin spinners, but her size is really nice and the curve of her waist is just awesome. I pull out to turn her back over for mish, but she instead turns around to me and, with both of us on our knees, kisses and hugs me and tugs on me. FK, tongue in ear, kissing down the neck, it was wonderful and I think I got a little harder, with the see fulling kicked in now perhaps. I thought that, yeah, maybe I can release with this, as I was really hot. I threw her back on the bed and entered her and pounded. I got so close and maybe I could have pushed ahead, but I gave up. It was ok, I will have more chances before I go home. We cuddled and she wanted to know, like most, why I can't release. It is hard to explain to women about condoms. And so many men seem to not have problems with them. Maybe it impacts older men more, as I know it is now harder for me to release than when I was young. Heck, when I lost my virginity on a one night stand, and this was before the aids scare and we know about HIV, as I first plunging in I started releasing immediately. I mean, 1 second and I was coming! So embarrassing, but I kept pounding until, fortunately, see came, and she said I was wonderful.

Whatever, she was not offering to go bare, but she tried a HJ for a while (I told her to stop), then we cuddled she tried gently rubbing me more, so she tried. It was all good. Very nice. But time was up, so back to the shower. So, overall, a semi-GFE with some PSE action in there. This Nam is one of the better performers I have had ever in Thailand, is up there in looks and body department, and I am totally happy with her. Wish the boobs were bigger, but can't complain about much else. For the price, a simply awesome experience.

After that, in order to avoid Jiem, I excited on Soi 6/1, cutting through the spot where there are no buildings. You have to be careful about LBs here, but none hassled me. Came back to the hotel, collected some remaining laundry and cautiously took it my favorite laundry place on 13/1. It is far enough from the Red Car girl of last night that I didn't think I would be seen, and I wasn't. I shudder now thinking how it all could have turned out.

But I am feeling good so after the sun set I went back to Soi 6 for seconds. I stopped at O bar and spoke to a pretty girl named Tukta. Not a spinner, but I have searched up and down tonight and can't make a decision, so I chose her. We go inside but she is hesitant. I find out she has a sore throat and is tired, having 3 more hours to work. I don't think I want to be getting a BBBJ from a girl who is tired and has a sore throat, so I gracefully bow out, tipping her 50 for her time. She seems appreciative. I walk more and on the south side see some girls, one of whom is young and dark, with a slightly larger but very shapely and proportioned body. I think I want to try one of these out, as I am wondering if the skinny girls just don't feel as good inside, so I go over. I end up talking to several ladies, but the English is poor. I do learn the BF is 300 and the lady is 1000. The girl I want has very bad English so another girl come over to interpret. The girl will agree to a LD but refused to be BF, saying she is on her period now. Oh. I am being rejected! OK, cool. I thank them and move on. Well, I am not really feeling it for any of the girls there tonight, so I catch a baht bus and take it down to about Soi 10, where the SWers are assembling. I have not had a SW this trip, so I decide to give it a try.

The moon was low in the sky and I saw a couple of nice looking ladies and chose one down close to Soi 10 or 11. She was slender, long hair and probably late 20's. I had been looking at another with a cute face and not quite so slender, but she kept on her phone during my several passes by, though she smiled. The woman I end up with slender and pretty attractive. I go over, say Hello, and she fairly quickly says it will be 800 for ST. Fine. We walk the hotel and talk some. Her English is not to bed. In the my room she showers, alone with door lock, then comes out and I shower. We touch and kiss a little so it is turning out ok. She asks about a cover so I get my Aoni out and she puts it on. No BBBJ. She does ask after the cover is on if I want her to smoke. Huh? I guess she was asking if I wanted a CBJ. I said, no, it was ok. She climbed on it was the standard GC, doggie and mish. In doggie at one point I noted a little bit of dryness and was thinking about lube when it seemed like she suddenly has a surge of liquid come out inside her. She had been moaning and seemingly enjoying the activity so was this a bust of natural lube or did she suddenly start her period or what, but it felt so good and I then knew I should be able to releash again, my third time in as many days, when was feeling this awesome. Man, I am on a role now!

Well, wait. A condom has NEVER felt this this. Um, no, it couldn't have burst. Not dry enough. I wasn't pounding. Did it slide off? I pull out and check. No, it is still on. I put it back in, it felt so good. But warning bells are going off! Hey, dummy, condoms NEVER feel this good. You are banging a street walker you moron! Argh. I pull out, check in the light and, dern, it spilt. Sheesh. I go to the bathroom and wash myself real good. She isn't concerned, which is always disconcerting, for if they already have everything, they have nothing more to fear. But no one I have been with and broke a condom has ever been too worried. But their risk from us, especially after a shower and they can inspect us for things, is much lower. What is the problem with these condoms breaking like this? These are the only thin ones I have left. I need to be more careful. But I think that one thing happening is when the girls put them on, they roll them on without any space at the tip. I always leave a space and I don't any have broken when I put it one. I guess I will start doing that.

Anyway, she puts on one of her condoms and the feelings are diminished. So, there will be no release with her. And I am hindered by her horrid breath. These girls need to bring toothbrushes with them! Eventually I stop and she is sad I can't release and offers a HJ. She rubs for a bit and is nice about it all. I say she can stop and we lie next to each other. She does have a nice, smooth body but with the breath I can't take it any longer. She showers, I shower and I give her the 800 and off the goes. Overall, she is a nice girl and seemed to really enjoy the sex, but I am sure she was heading back to the street. Really, a pretty good deal for $28.

I head to WS after that. I had again eaten at Sizzler earlier, liking their salad bar, but thought I would visit the NY Diner for some fried rice as I was a little hungry by this time. I had been thirsty so I had gotten a small bottle of water at 7-11, and we Diner folks were not happy that I brought it in. The first person moved the bottle on the other side of the condiments on the table. Then a second person come over and was either going to take it away entirely or set it on the opposite side of the table. I snapped at that, got up, took my water and said if they didn't want my business I was leaving. It was ok they didn't want me to bring in my own water, I understand that, but to take it away from me or to otherwise make such a big deal out of it went a little too far. Oh well. I went to the ice cream place instead.

I did two walk through of I-Bar over the next hour or two. Then I went to Red Car around midnight. I sat down and more people came in. Lots of women there. I am coming to like this place as smoking is not allowed. Wish more bars would ban smoking. Disgusting to have to breathe that stuff. Anyway, I remembered someone saying in these places you sometime have to let the ladies come to you. And that is what I did. Literally, a woman from across the room saw me, smiled, and I smiled back. I did nothing, but later I saw her looking at me again, I smiled and pointed to myself, asking if she was actually looking at me. She laughed and nodded her head, so I took my drink and walked over to her. She was not spring chicken by any means. Older, wider but still reasonably pretty considering. English was bad and it was loud in there which made talking very difficult, but I think she is 39 with 3 kids. For her age, not too bad looking, and probably she matches up with my own age much better than a spring chicken would. Her name was something like Omaphon. She was pleasant and soon was doing some grinding and a she did a quick check of my Johnson. Long story short, her two friends left and she left with me. She never asked, it was just assumed she was going home with me. It was kind of a GFE pickup of sorts. It all happened by me, I guess, sitting in the right spot and being observant, and her liking me for some reason (maybe that I was sitting where she could see me and I actually got up and come over), and the deal was struck when I went over.

At the hotel she gave an absolutely incredible BBBJ. PSE almost. Just amazing. I think we only did CG and mish positions, but the BBBJ had me so hot I did manage to release with her and set (or maybe tied) a Thailand record for 3 releases in as many days! She spent the night, going to sleep cuddled up next to me. Next morning we slept late, me getting up first. I had no idea how much to give her. I really don't know how often she does this sort of thing, but I started off with 700. She kind of cried when I handed it to her. At first I wondered if the cry was because my unsolicited offer of money made her feel like a hooker. Nope, I quickly learned. She wanted more. OK. I gave her 1000 plus 200 taxi money. That calmed her. We dressed, left the hotel and went across the street for breakfast. I told her I am leaving tomorrow and she asked when I was coming back, but no contact information was exchanged. She left after eating.

So, I feel good I did a legit disco pickup again. She was of lower quality regarding looks, but upper quality regarding performance. Wish I had bothered to figure this disco thing out earlier, but oh well. Tomorrow is my last full day in Thailand. Be aware it may take some days before I can finish and post the final day's report. I presume I will start at Soi 6 again, maybe then a SW, maybe go for a stunner agogo girl and, who knows, go back to a disco and see what happens? Well, I will post this now and head on down to Soi 6 to get the day rolling!

After a very long time I had one of my best times ever today. Yesterday all what I could get was a petite Thai-Khmer lady at Marine. She could twerk low, had dancing energy, an wonderful coffee soft skin, didn't smoke, no tattoos and didn't seemed hardened. Good manners and a GFE but that's it. Gave to her nicely has a reward to her qualities but didn't got her number, I see no point in doing that with girls that have no major attractive.

Hoping for something better than that, I focused on myself, try to improve my look starting with the hair, fresh pressed clothes and upgraded attitude. Went to Red Car quite early and saw it populating. At first, only the older or uglier women are there, and are many. Then slowly around 12:30 am the slight better ones arrive, and around the same time the random groups of plain look ladies coming together to party, which are not bar-hoppers. They also want foreign money and cock, of course. As with all and any FL place the rule is simple, no straight Thai man of any age or class will ever put for in there. Which after all is a good thing. However the situation was very lackluster with only two younger hotties, one had a customer waiting, and the other said she had to catch the 4:30 am bus to Chiang Mai, ahaha. Zero stunners, wild animals, or trophy girls. There I've also met XRyder25 which is a nice guy.

Around 1:30 moved to Ibar with XRyder25 picking up some other girls which eventually he brought over. Nice mannered girls BTW, which is always important. Things started right as I stopped to a good table with a Thai-Vietnamese girl that I did one or two years ago. She's always in black, has a good hearth, and does relatively well in her brother's large apartment in Jomtien, but she doesn't look better than average uglish, now or before. Fortunately she was still sober enough to recognize and greet me at her table, and I sip from her drink before getting mine.

There was also a miss bolts-on-no-manners in white, which is for sure an hot girl, fair complexion, a pretty face with a small straight nose, but looked hardened and not so friendly. I wonder how she still can keep a ugly drawn "peace" logo on her shoulder when she wouldn't even to pay to cover it with something proper, by just fucking the needle artist a couple times when his GF is away. This of the ugly tattoos is a kind of fixation I got. How they can think that a Thai prayer on the back will help their luck. These and the former sucker's signature are the ones I despite the most. On the other hand I have no problem admiring a beautiful tiger or bird while mounting them doggy, kind of an alternative to staring to an asshole.

Right at the onset I catch the girl in white get the intel from her friend, I was cleared as "mot leeo", available customer, but I was not interested in her.

At the same table I got to know Juan, a handsome Korean-French guy in his late 30's perhaps. Elegantly dressed, friendly with everyone, he looked exactly like a K-pop superstar, and is a true gent. There is no tight-ass beer on his table, but brand Vodka that he pours into my highball generously. I counter getting more juices, which is 250 Bt.

We know that, of course, Thai girls are attracted by white Asians, but now I've seen that for real, and it's impressive. He does nothing to call them over, but they come or weave from away all the time. He tells me that he's extremely picky, but I see him happily talking and smiling to every single one. What a difference with the behavior of some hot stuck-up hooker that has no better way of turning down customers (when not needed) besides acting distant or downward rude.

Time passed away quickly and everyone was having a good time, but I got no clear signals from any of the good looking ones. As we know, it's a different game when you pass the big 50's. The Thai-Viet is taken away by an half-drunk short guy with a worn Tshirt that I would wear maybe to wash my car. Before leaving he even tries a move with the sexy in white, just to be quickly reminded with body language that in this market once an item is picked from a table no exchanges are permitted.

Around 4. 30 the game changes. There are fewer men, as the ones which got a hot one have put her at work already instead of wasting energy at the club. And the good looking ones which for a reason or another have got no customer, change attitude or are just more drunk. The sexy in white rubs her ass more easily with anyone; to be honest I would not have disliked putting my hand between that short dress or sticking my tongue in her mouth, just to feel the temperature. At least she acts like what she is, unlike some half-and-half cuties with their sophisticated make-up, dental braces and "I-m-so-semipro" type dress. But club rules are rules, and I refrain from. A single "perfect 10 tall hooker trophy contest" type walks back and forth couple of times, but she doesn't look at anyone and not even Juan can grab her in time.

Then, a friendly lady sitting next to me points me to a slender figure in black hot pants, smiling and standing alone by the restroom door. I'm told in clear terms to go grab her, and so I did. She's pretty with short black hair, great legs, a belly button piercing on a lovely stomach, a smiling and friendly attitude. We have a round at the table with the others, I say which is late already and ask if she gives good sex, she quietly says yes I do, and you? Bingo. That is exactly what a functioning man wants to hear. Juan also wisely tells me that I'm better leave with the catch while he continues his work upstairs.

In a moment we're back at the resort, and over the entire night, she doesn't do anything less than perfectly. She enjoys sex and has the talent to return the pleasure multiplied. As we get in the room she lays on the bed, still dressed. No toilet run or towel rolls, no need forced sexy poses, as she is naturally beautiful and enticing. She (of course) doesn't want to lead, but expects be discovered, caressed, and kissed without stupid interruptions.

I'm all over her. The very first time is an experience that a couple can have only once, and deserves to be played well, thing that rarely happens. But with Aom that was fantastic. We make out and undress slowly. As I start working and fingering her pussy she starts to moan softly, and arches the back slightly, from there on every move is flowing perfectly, touch and kiss and lick and suck and fuck, change around and start again. Not a word is spoken.

Our bodies are meeting each other perfectly, or so it seems to me. I suck on her nipples and with an almost non-perceivable pressure I'm indicated that her favorite is the right one. At times she searches for my hand, but reaches for balls and cock with the same sweetness. She keeps her eyes open, and it's a pure pleasure to look at her full lips slightly apart. She is soft and accommodating, and has no problem with sperm. I give my best, but without overdoing and overthinking. At some point I understand that actually she is a great natural at sex, but she is also totally mind present and lucid to the act, loves to please, and that is not easy for her to release. We'll see what can be done about.

After a good while of pounding her pussy hurts a little, more precisely it has become too sensitive, which is what happens with a lack of orgasm, but she's happy to finish me off in mouth, once or twice. She sucks cock perfectly, with the exact amount of speed, suction and depth. I still fail to understand why 80% women, pro or not, can't or won't suck cock properly.

I have taken a slightly dud Viagra substitute, a full tablet is way too much and makes cumming almost painful, but that has remedy too. She falls asleep immediately, cuddling closely and hugging at times. Good girl, and again I'm thankful to lady luck for have got her at a time when she has no repeating customer, something I made clear I want to become.

Sex in the morning is also joyous. Her naked, tall figure going to the bathroom is a wonderful sight. She has very small breast, but all her body is harmonious and well proportioned. I know that on high heels she will cause male drooling, besides getting over my height. Everything is done with a smile or a giggle. I finger her asshole a little and it's quite tight, but she says nothing, neither do I. For me it's not a must but when a sexy woman ask for a healthy fuck in the butts (one of the sentences that a man can't ever forget) who am I to say no.

She sips her morning vitamin drink (no not sperm again) and before noon I drive her home. More luck, that's not even far from where I'm staying. She fulfilled all her unspoken promises and I gladly met her very reasonable compensation, she looks happy and relaxed, for sure I feel the same and some more. I will to stick to this one all the way to the end, it would be stupid not to. If that works the only other reports you guys will read from me will be about restaurants, hotels, and motorcycles.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1877908] I will to stick to this one all the way to the end, it would be stupid not to. If that works the only other reports you guys will read from me will be about restaurants, hotels, and motorcycles.[/QUOTE]Congrats man and all the best to you! Looks like you are doing super great!

Sorry, I missed you at Ibar last night, but this girl just wanted to stay in and sleep for the night. And, so I decided it was a good opportunity to get an early start the next morning. I headed off to the Sriracha Tiger Zoo about half way on the highway to BKK, at about 930 am, with the girl in tow. It was a super hot day and the Tiger show unfortunately was not even as good as the staged Circus ring tiger and lion shows I've seen in the US in past years. But, the Crocodile show was pretty good and the Elephant show was just OK. Got back in about 4 hours total and jumped in the shower as it was one hot day. Even the AC taxi was having a tough time keeping up the heat outside! But, I got one thing I wanted nice pics with a big frickin Tiger, as opposed to the one from years ago with just a baby tiger. The girls highlight was shooting the pellet rifle that when the target is hit drops meat for the Tigers below. She actually got 3 and me 1, for a total of 4 out of the 20 shots. Nothing to write home about!

On the return, this girl pulls the old trick about her sister calling and she needed to get dropped off to get the key for the apt to her sister (because her sister apparently did not buy one). A 20 minute diversion for the driver and we drop her off in an alley in Pattaya Klang (see apts around) but no sister in sight. Driver has to turn around and come back the same way and we see her standing in this shop waiting for someone. So, if her apt is just there why not just enter it as she had the key and her sister can just return whenever. To me something did not add up. Plus, at the zoo, this 20 year old takes no pictures, buys nothing for her 2 year old back home. Etc, Too many data points for me that did not add up. Whatever! But I'm glad she was there to provide the music I like through the cars audio system via her Samsung Galaxy phone for which the car had an adapter.

She's left one her new NY shirts here, tells me she will see at Ibar at night and come back to the room with me. But, at about 8 pm starts calling me again and again. I text her saying I'm sleeping (bad allergies from 2 nights ago at Insomnia from smoke and whatever the cleaning people sprayed here this afternoon.

Anyways, I think I need to move on, else I won't get to meet some other Thai girls and she was nearing my 3 day rule, anyways. So, in my text, I told her maybe no lady for me tonight! Let's see, I plan to go to Insomnia later tonight and I'm going to have to try and extricate myself from her tonight, if I plan to bring a new girl over. Who knows I may come back to her again, but for now I need a break from this chick, who I think is beginning to take me for granted and trying to boss me just a little bit.

And, my nasal allergies are quite bad right now and I'm in an irritable mood to baby this chick anymore right now....

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878031]Congrats man and all the best to you! Looks like you are doing super great!
[/QUOTE]Yes congrats to ONG. I am so happy he found his lady and I hope they continue to enjoy each other to the max for the rest of his trip.

A word of advice, Haven123. Don't lie to the girl about not wanting to take a lady tonight and then have her catch you at Ibar with another (as happened to me).

Though it all worked out well in the end, I should have just told my girl the truth or that I wanted to hang out with my friends. She said something very smart to me: "I not your girlfriend, you not need lie to me". She was pissed that I lied, not that I wanted another girl. And now she felt she could not trust me.

She eventually came around and all was forgiven. In fact the sex kept getting better and better with her. But I realize now I made a mistake -- one that I have often repeated. From now on I will be more upfront with these girls when I want to change ladies and stop playing the BS Romeo role. 555.

Of course you don't have to be rude and tell her "I need some new pussy". It's enough to just say you want to go out alone with your friends. She will get the picture.

Happy hunting!

Uncle-V.

I have only BKK experience but noticed that without exception all girls I brought back to my room (freelancers from Beergarden) took shower alone. From many readings here I see the same reported. Is this due to thai culture or does it have anything to do why shyness?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1878059]Yes congrats to ONG. I am so happy he found his lady and I hope they continue to enjoy each other to the max for the rest of his trip.

A word of advice, Haven123. Don't lie to the girl about not wanting to take a lady tonight and then have her catch you at Ibar with another (as happened to me).

Though it all worked out well in the end, I should have just told my girl the truth or that I wanted to hang out with my friends. She said something very smart to me: "I not your girlfriend, you not need lie to me". She was pissed that I lied, not that I wanted another girl. And now she felt she could not trust me.

She eventually came around and all was forgiven. In fact the sex kept getting better and better with her. But I realize now I made a mistake -- one that I have often repeated. From now on I will be more upfront with these girls when I want to change ladies and stop playing the BS Romeo role. 555.

Of course you don't have to be rude and tell her "I need some new pussy". It's enough to just say you want to go out alone with your friends. She will get the picture.

Happy hunting!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Haha. Its 145 am and just woke up at VT 6. I took 1/2 a 1 MG Melatonin and was zonked out!

I dunno if I even want to go to WS or anywhere right now!

As for her, I have this thing, a) she can do what she wants and b) I can too. I'm just here for a few weeks. She is free to find someone tonight at Insomnia and I'd be happy for her. I never told her anything about wanting to be with her tonight, she assumed. I really don't care for jealously. The girl I spent a month with once in Peru, she shared all her Facebook stuff with me, her ex boyfriends, the guy she really loves (but went off with his sexy secy etc) and I try to give her advice and buy her stuff so she can look great and sexy. One of the reasons I like younger pretty girls, they are less likely to be jealous because they've got better options than me. But they can dance for hours to the music I like, pop and hip hop. I am happy to help them find the love of their lives and see them be happy. That's something most people don't get about me. I always look at life in the big macro picture way and consider myself unimportant. I do love seeing the interactions in a crowded place like Insomnia and try to read people both guys and gals and think about it ( like seeing that dude ONG referred to....I never met the guy but admired his game from afar...I thought he was Korean American and not French Korean, although that is quite awesome for him ( and I doubt Juan is his nameOh, maybe Juan in a Million ! ).

In that sense, I love intense and complex stimuli of information and try to take it all in. When I dance too I am actually dancing with everyone in the singular. I enjoy how it makes me think about weird shit wrt to physics and life, in terms of science. So I am way too frickin weird my friend.

As I think I told you, I can be quite detached and some may rightly say, kinda cold, as I am certainly not the lovey-dovey type and as my ex and daughter often say, think like a computer! So, I am not much into feelings as you may have gathered.

I care about things at a very macro level. Not micro level. For example, I don't care about a particular dog ( even the cute miniature daschund we had for over a decade) but love all living things at the macro level more than 99.999999 PC of the peeps on this planet. But, I would watch Natl Geo , the Science Channel and Star Trek for tens of hours....made my ex and daughter mad. So, yeah I am beyond help. I know it, you know it ...and I am quite at peace with myself.

Now that I've shared all that, I think I will haul my ass over to Insomnia by 230 am for a few hours and have a few drinks in your honor and stay unhorny for tonight my friend. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1877908]How they can think that a Thai prayer on the back will help their luck.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't know but it is not more silly than sitting in church and praying and that practice is strangely enough rarely questioned.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1878094]I have only BKK experience but noticed that without exception all girls I brought back to my room (freelancers from Beergarden) took shower alone. From many readings here I see the same reported. Is this due to thai culture or does it have anything to do why shyness?[/QUOTE]If I remember well, it is about 50/50 in my experience. Some do, some don't. Some that do already initiate some play in the shower, others will wash you and are surprised when you do likewise to them.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1878094]I have only BKK experience but noticed that without exception all girls I brought back to my room (freelancers from Beergarden) took shower alone. From many readings here I see the same reported. Is this due to thai culture or does it have anything to do why shyness?[/QUOTE]Are you saying you asked to take a shower together and they said no or you expected them to say let's take a shower together and they did not offer?

Again, I think that is more of a western thing. Most of the women that I know in foreign countries have never taken a shower with a man, even the ones who were married before.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1878094]I have only BKK experience but noticed that without exception all girls I brought back to my room (freelancers from Beergarden) took shower alone. From many readings here I see the same reported. Is this due to thai culture or does it have anything to do why shyness?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd say go to Brazil for that. They actually like to take showers together, you soap them, they soap you, deep kissing and do everything you want to do there. No probs at all. They enjoy it.

Perhaps it is the beach and bikini culture or the termas, don't know, but it works there.

Talent was very significantly lower quality, but didn't get there until 230 am. And, stayed until 7.

My allergies were making me extra sensitive to the smoke, with quite a few (I think) Korean and Japanese guys in groups of 4-5 smoking big and surprisingly quite a few girls as well (straight up cigarettes).

I am dreading how I may feel when I wake up as it is 740 am, despite having done the Nasacort thing and Mucinex and an Advil, LOL ( yeah I have super bad allergies to dust, pollen, pet hair, smoke etc.). So, at Insomia I am paying a price, and I know it, but I love the music, the ambiance and the peeps. So, for me it's a cost of being there.

There were some strange things happening this night. As I was walking into Ibar, two girls in their 30's and wearing one piece dresses (not the sexy kind but rather bland), all of sudden, no argument, no shouting, started swinging at each other. Literally inches from the entrance. Security guys did not get involved as they were outside the entrance and I just split quickly.

One girl (who looked half African and half Moroccan (because she was wearing a heavy , very colorful , belly dancing skirt and a cut off top (no bra) in her 30's was being very provocative on the dancing stage for at least an hour, and then it looked like she was slowly lifting her skirt (and the security guys, I think, we're not sure if she had panties on) , came up and said something to her (she was not responding in Thai) and she got totally pissed off at the security and completely lifted her skirt up over her head, to reveal her back bikini panties! . Haha. Within 2-3 seconds she was totally pissed got off the dance stage and I never saw her again!

One big guy (white guy) was totally drunk, and as the security guys were escorting him out, he started throwing up, right there in front of the dance stage in the middle, and to the left of the bar as you walk in. Man, you should have seen people trying to move helter-skelter within a fraction of a second and the girls were holding their noses. Luckily I was about 10 ft away and I quickly moved to the far end of the bar.

One short girl, about 4' 7 ", young, great boobs, (good dancer) got completely drunk and was trying to ply those syringe shots from the top of the stage and tried to shoot one into my mouth. I passed and she was like dancing all over by me and trying or actually falling of the stage and I caught her a couple of times. Her girl friends had to come help her and soon thereafter another side of her emerged, angry and flailing her arms at her girl friends, the security guards etc. And, here I was thinking I'd like to take her LT the next time I see when she is not so drunk and I have cleared my head of my stuffed up nasal passageways. Ah no. Not after I saw that crazy and violent, angry side of her. I am sure she is regular as the security guys knew her! I think she gets super angry when drunk , pretty much always.

There were a few other incidents like this from tonight that I have not seen at Insomnia in the 4 nights I've been there to 7 am close! LOL. Story of my life, I always enjoy staying at dance clubs to close to see the fun at the end.

There was a group of 4 girls (seemed non pro) and I have not seen there before and at least 2 of them cute and I would have been happy with either. One had a really nice booty, both under 23. I saw a few guys talk to them and strike out. I chatted them up way at the end, and it turns out one had her day off today, another was working today (later and they were drinking quite a bit) and they were the only ones I really liked but my head pressure I'm sure will make any sex right about now painful right before ejaculation. Anyways, turns out they have been in Pattaya 2 years , but are originally from Cambodia. Did not seem like go go girls to me or bar girls in the Sois. But if I see them again I will follow up and see if one wants to go with me. I really liked them.

I saw my girl from this past morning at about 330, I tried not to make eye contact and quickly moved to the other end of bar as she was up on one of stages dancing. She may have seen me, not sure, and it does not matter to me. About 30 minutes later she was gone and that was good. She still has one of her blouses here that she needs to pick up (if she remembers) and once she gets that I am going to tell her I am butterfly as I will for sure find another girl at Insomnia tomorrow night. There is always a girl, it is just a matter of me being super super picky. If I just wanted a girl I could every night. And, I'm feeling like I am way below budget on my $ and so I am now gonna be aggressive and spend some money in a free flowing way for the next week. Lol

BTW, Mr ENT what's the scoop with like 3 girls there with the sharp features (they are all super pretty and in their early to mid 20's) and 2 have very fair skin and look model like! Asking cause I thought you might have seen them too before and may have heard the story about them. They are all less than 50 pc Thai. Mixed breeds like me. Kind of Latin looking. The kind of girls the ad companies in Thailand like for the billboard ads...as I have worked with some of the ad agencies in the past in Thailand on Citibank credit card campaigns and I know why these kind of looks are sought after in Thailand ( and also in Korea ). I spoke to one very briefly the other night as she was returning from the RR, but she was sitting with a group. The third one has a bit darker complexion, probably 5 ' 2 " tall, and could actually pass for a super flaca from Santiago in the DR (I mean she has zero tits and zero ass) , the other 2 have good tits, but pretty flat asses and very fair skin both max 5 ft tall. This girl was getting wasted tonight and was totally drunk and that is surprising because I have seen all 3 of these girls there every night I've been there but they have all had great composure in the past. I like all these 3 chicks and so I ask. My guess is that the super pretty fair skinned ones are going to be at least 5 k LT. Because they are really photo model pretty. For me, the face comes first, as I don't want to wake up in the morning to a face I don't like! Yeah, I know I'm not that good looking either, but I'm the one paying ! Lol.

Soi 6 Pattaya is a unique place and that there is literally 50 or more bars with girls sitting outside in the afternoon and evenings. Short time is about 1000 baht and barfine is about 300 to 350 but all of my experiences there have been very enjoyable and one of the best sex I've had in a long time. It's surprising that you will see some cute girls there. I wonder why they don't work in go go bars, maybe they don't feel like dancing all night. Another nice experience I've had is just getting a massage at one of the many massage shops in the city. Sometimes the girls will be super nice to me and suggest that they can give me a massage in my room if I like. 1 girl suggested come over the next morning and I would just pay her to massage me, and not pay the shop. I agreed to this and she came over the next morning and she asked me to massage her one thing led to another and we started kissing and getting in bed. She never asked for a fee but I knew that I would need to give her something extra more then the basic 600 baht for the massage room fee.

She ended up staying several hours including massaging me naked. We had sex 3 times and she has a nice big round ass and nice big tits and surprisingly very sweet and nice. I gave her 1,000 and she was extremely happy with that. She says that. She makes about 3 - 4000 Baht per month. So when I give her 1000 but she was more than happy.

Everywhere you look in Pattaya sex is for sale. From the regular girls to bar girls. You can meet a regular girl in the mall or shops. I often give them 500 to 1000. Just put it in their hand after a date and sex and they're always happy with that.

I don't treat them like prostitutes or ask them how much it cost up front when I need regular girl. Of course if you meet a bar girl or girl on soi 6 you always need to discuss the price in advance.

Pattaya has certainly earned his name as the sex capital of the world! I spend a lot of time at the Windmill bar where you can finger fuck girls for 100 tip. Even stick your finger up their ass.

Pattaya is certainly a unique place and I will certainly be back.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1878338]Soi 6 Pattaya is a unique place and that there is literally 50 or more bars with girls sitting outside in the afternoon and evenings. Short time is about 1000 baht and barfine is about 300 to 350 but all of my experiences there have been very enjoyable and one of the best sex I've had in a long time. It's surprising that you will see some cute girls there. I wonder why they don't work in go go bars, maybe they don't feel like dancing all night. Another nice experience I've had is just getting a massage at one of the many massage shops in the city. Sometimes the girls will be super nice to me and suggest that they can give me a massage in my room if I like. 1 girl suggested come over the next morning and I would just pay her to massage me, and not pay the shop. I agreed to this and she came over the next morning and she asked me to massage her one thing led to another and we started kissing and getting in bed. She never asked for a fee but I knew that I would need to give her something extra more then the basic 600 baht for the massage room fee.

She ended up staying several hours including massaging me naked. We had sex 3 times and she has a nice big round ass and nice big tits and surprisingly very sweet and nice. I gave her 1,000 and she was extremely happy with that. She says that. She makes about 3 - 4000 Baht per month. So when I give her 1000 but she was more than happy.

Everywhere you look in Pattaya sex is for sale. From the regular girls to bar girls. You can meet a regular girl in the mall or shops. I often give them 500 to 1000. Just put it in their hand after a date and sex and they're always happy with that.

I don't treat them like prostitutes or ask them how much it cost up front when I need regular girl. Of course if you meet a bar girl or girl on soi 6 you always need to discuss the price in advance.

Pattaya has certainly earned his name as the sex capital of the world! I spend a lot of time at the Windmill bar where you can finger fuck girls for 100 tip. Even stick your finger up their ass.

Pattaya is certainly a unique place and I will certainly be back.[/QUOTE]Hey, could you or anyone else on this board, please suggest a few places for meeting cute young massage girls, preferably somewhere where they also have good quality private rooms with excellent ac for massage on premises. And then I can maybe figure out where and how I go from there. To having them come over to my room? I'd love to try that today! LOL.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1878059]Yes congrats to ONG. I am so happy he found his lady and I hope they continue to enjoy each other to the max for the rest of his trip.
[/QUOTE]You'll read it first: it's over 555. Yesterday she didn't seemed interested in a repeat and returned one single message as "I'm dinner already". When I saw her at the Ibar I just said how are you doing. A loss for sex but also spared withdrawal pain, because when I'm staying longer that one a night with a woman that I really like things quickly get personal, and at the time of leaving one takes the risk of opening himself to misery keeping in contact. Still recommend her for 100% GFE. She stands by the ladie's room.

H123 - I also like to observe situations at the disco, perhaps I oversimplify but I find most characters just fall into predictable categories. For example today a young Afro-American was being literally pestered by a short fattie but he would not just move, then tells me he was trying to get 2500 Bt out of her! ? ! Not supersmart I'd say. We don't see or know but there is much more shit going on, drugs, HIV, bad fights. And many girls are banned from Ibar permanently.
Man now that you wrote it I find that I've got a congested nose too! But at least the cock congestion by generic Viagra is ending, fuck it made almost painful to pi ss too! So yesterday I took a rest from catching pussy and mostly sat.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878347]Hey, could you or anyone else on this board, please suggest a few places for meeting cute young massage girls, preferably somewhere where they also have good quality private rooms with excellent ac for massage on premises. And then I can maybe figure out where and how I go from there. To having them come over to my room? I'd love to try that today! LOL.[/QUOTE]Go to Kinnaree if you haven't been. Be inside and let the girls come to you. Great service. Same price as soi 6. Remember peak hours are from 3-6 pm and the place closes at 7 pm.

By massage do you mean random shops or places like Honey 2, Sabai Dee, Sabai Room, etc. ? I'm guessing the soapies are too pro for your liking.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878347]Hey, could you or anyone else on this board, please suggest a few places for meeting cute young massage girls, preferably somewhere where they also have good quality private rooms with excellent ac for massage on premises. And then I can maybe figure out where and how I go from there. To having them come over to my room? I'd love to try that today! LOL.[/QUOTE]That would be the high-ends soapies, more a thermae or a gent's club rather than massage. You see the biggest ones passing Pattaya central on 2nd road, but also on Pattaya North. There are less known but luxurious ones in the same area. These normally cater to Asian customers that want young submissive masseuse and a quickie.

If you want to have a cute masseuse coming to your room you need to try her out first at her place, tip nicely and that should convince her and the owner to let her outcall a next time.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878356]That would be the high-ends soapies, more a thermae or a gent's club rather than massage. You see the biggest ones passing Pattaya central on 2nd road, but also on Pattaya North. There are less known but luxurious ones in the same area. These normally cater to Asian customers that want young submissive masseuse and a quickie.

If you want to have a cute masseuse coming to your room you need to try her out first at her place, tip nicely and that should convince her and the owner to let her outcall a next time.[/QUOTE]Thanks, ONG. But pray tell me where on second RD is Pattaya Central and Pattaya. As you know, I am a dunce when it comes to stuff like that! So, Second Rd and near what Soi please?

Oh, and BTW I'm really sorry about your Viagra. Yeah, I hear you man, with my sinuses (the only surgery I had in my life was for a deviated septum and to roto rooter my sinuses to widen them). Easy peasy surgey, but recovery is a bit-h !

And so, Viagra for me starts off with a runny nose and eyes. Have not used a Viagra or Cialis (which did didly squat for me BTW) in over a year. But when it works it's great, but yeah cumming can be difficult and oh BTW it also takes up my body's Pottasium and I need to replenish electrolytes with the WHO electrolyte packets in water! LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1878355]Go to Kinnaree if you haven't been. Be inside and let the girls come to you. Great service. Same price as soi 6. Remember peak hours are from 3-6 pm and the place closes at 7 pm.

By massage do you mean random shops or places like Honey 2, Sabai Dee, Sabai Room, etc. ? I'm guessing the soapies are too pro for your liking.[/QUOTE]Ok, yeah I've heard from many about Kinnaree so I will try that either today or tomorrow.

Yeah, the Honey, Sabai stuff is not for me. Went in to Honey and turned back in like 3 seconds (I did do one like in 2002 , the only other time I've been here) and it was good. But I think these soapies are too pro for me at this stage in my life. For whatever reason it just does not work for me.

And, By massage I meant places I meant like Thai massage in a private room for an hour and if I like the young cute girl I can then try to see if she wants to come to VT 6 later ? I realize it will be hit or miss, but I think it's a not a bad way to spend 300 Baht for an hour ,and I can try 2-3 in a day?

Ok, Kinnaree place it is, BB. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878359]Thanks, ONG. But pray tell me where on second RD is Pattaya Central and Pattaya. As you know, I am a dunce when it comes to stuff like that! So, Second Rd and near what Soi please?
[/QUOTE]From N. to S. there are the big "avenues", North, Central, South. That with beach, 2nd, 3rd and Sukhumvit gives you the approx area before getting to Soi level. I know when not driving oneself it's a pain to get around to explore, another alternative could be the massobrothels of Buakhao 11, east of 2nd.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878366]From N to S there are the big "avenues", North, Central, South. That with beach, 2nd, 3rd and Sukhumvit give you the approx area before getting to Soi level. I know when not driving oneself it's a pain to get around to explore, another alternative could be the massobrothels of Buakhao 11, east of 2nd.[/QUOTE]So, 2nd RD near Soi Buakhao and Soi Diana (BTW I am little confused. I thought Soi Buakhao was parallel to 2nd RD) ? It's like a 5 min walk from VT 6.

And, you don't mean Honey right ( which is in that general area ) ? I'd much prefer smaller places though...if you have any other suggestions... Sorry to be pestering you ...Thx

I was in Pattaya a few days ago and I wanted to have a quickie in a small oil massage shop I spotted earlier. The venture is named Paradise Massage and is located in the Pattaya Songsai Soi 11. It is 10 meters from the corner Soi Buakhao, close to the Sawasdee Siam hotel.

So there I went and picked a girl whose name I forgot. She is a young girl from Isaan, Udon Thani, slim, dark skin color, dark color eyes and a white painted pretty face. She says she is 20, no way to know if it is true. Prices are 1200Th be for a short time, 1000 thb for a blow job and 700 thb for a hand job. I chose the blowjob.

I let my conductress guide me. Judging by the many pairs of men shoes I could see down the stairs, about 7, I deducted it was rush hour and full house. It was about 5 pm. Up we go. The stairs are tiny and each floor has 1 to 2 rooms. A guy with a Hell Angels' look was busy here washing the bed linen. We reach the room and hey there was a lady here with a fifty-something dude by the door. They are about to leave. A bit odd but OK. The room is approximately 20 m, divided in two by a seedy curtain. On each side is a single bed and that's all. That is not the most comfortable place in the world but that is fine with me. I undress, she gives me the towel and she shows me the shower on landing. Somebody is in there so I wait back in the room. And then hey, who is coming back in the room? The dude and the lady I just saw. They were not finished. The guy goes to lie on the bed. I am here on the other side of the curtain, in this tiny room, surprised and then quickly annoyed.

"- So they are going to stay here now?

- (she says nothing but starts to pinch my nipples as if I was a capricious kid).

- Listen, there is no way I am staying here with this guy in the same room."

No word from the papa one meter away. I put my clothes back on and I am quite pissed off. Some of you may think I behave rude for a Thai person, but here is what I think: this is just unacceptable and this is such a bad service that I consider it to be a scam. And with scammers, I do not raise my voice; instead I tell them "no" and I vote with my feet: I leave. I am a customer paying for a hooker, I am not a dog and I expect to be treated as a customer and to get a fair service.

So down we go, I can see the lady is offended but I just do not care. She passes the counter where the mamasan is sitting. That one looks at me with this greedy look they have and realizes her commission is flying away. The girl reaches outside and reports to the other girls "yeah he doesn't want, he wants to have a room for him" and she goes to sit where I cannot see her. Then another girl steps in, a fat bottom one with a pear figure and asks me what the problem is. LOL as it was normal to be shagging with a buddy one meter away from you, as if it never happened that anyone complained. The mamasan then tells me there is another free room and I can have a look at it. She gives the key to the chubby and this one invites me to go upstairs.

At this point I do not trust this place any more, and I already know what is going to happen: by Thai girl business magic, I will wind up with the plump babe who was absolutely not my first choice to begin with. So that is the second no go in my head. I explain it to the mackerel and I regret not to have told her how I felt about the room rotation.

I briefly consider to call the slim queen bee back in, but I already know that 1. She may say "no" and 2. That she feels huffy and that she would give a very poor performance: not worth it at all. So I just nod, put my shoes back on and leave. As I am leaving, I memorize the location and the name for the report I will later write.

So my conclusion: Paradise Massage and is located in the Pattaya Songsai Soi 11 bad house policy, poor service, close to scam. I do not recommend.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878367]So, 2nd RD near Soi Buakhao and Soi Diana (BTW I am little confused. I thought Soi Buakhao was parallel to 2nd RD) ? It's like a 5 min walk from VT 6.

And, you don't mean Honey right ( which is in that general area ) ? I'd much prefer smaller places though...if you have any other suggestions... Sorry to be pestering you ...Thx[/QUOTE]There are a bunch of massage shops on Kasetsin 11 Alley the next Soi parallel to LK Metro. The one closest to the Soi Bukhao end of the alley in particular had 3 or 4 really cute girls.

It may be a little too pro for you. But its pretty close to where you are staying so it may be worth a look the next time you are out for a walkabout.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878353]You'll read it first: it's over 555. Yesterday she didn't seemed interested in a repeat and returned one single message as "I'm dinner already". When I saw her at the Ibar I just said how are you doing. A loss for sex but also spared withdrawal pain, because when I'm staying longer that one a night with a woman that I really like things quickly get personal, and at the time of leaving one takes the risk of opening himself to misery keeping in contact. Still recommend her for 100% GFE. She stands by the ladie's room.

[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that my friend. But I know you will find a replacement soon. And tis good to take a night off now and then to recharge.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1878338]Sometimes the girls will be super nice to me and suggest that they can give me a massage in my room if I like. 1 girl suggested come over the next morning and I would just pay her to massage me, and not pay the shop. I agreed to this and she came over the next morning and she asked me to massage her one thing led to another and we started kissing and getting in bed. She never asked for a fee but I knew that I would need to give her something extra more then the basic 600 baht for the massage room fee.

Pattaya has certainly earned his name as the sex capital of the world! I spend a lot of time at the Windmill bar where you can finger fuck girls for 100 tip. Even stick your finger up their ass.

Pattaya is certainly a unique place and I will certainly be back.[/QUOTE]I never bought a massage girl back to my room. As I always fuck them in the first meeting itself. But your experience is great. Maybe I would try it soon.

Spot on about Windmill. And the same is the case in "Baby Dolls" bar too. I did not even tip, just bought LDs. In in a 1 hour time spent at BabyDolls I had. Finger fucked both and ass, inserted different stuff in pussy (from ice cubes to banana), and licked pussy.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1878398]The one closest to the Soi Bukhao end of the alley in particular had 3 or 4 really cute girls.
[/QUOTE]I remember years ago taking a supercute slim one from there to my resort almost on Pattaya North. She would then meet at night on her own. At the same time I was giving money and fluids to an oldie FL with bolt-ons aptly called Gin Tonic, and mingled with her friends sitting on the floor of a shop before disco time. At that time I first realized that no matter how much time one waste with'em, nothing is learned. Good times.

On Thursday had an excellent Thai Body Massage on 2nd rd by a cute girl Julie, from Issan, she did great but not available for extras! They actually gave me baggy pants to wear and Chinese peasant type top, LOL. But, I did like this cute girl, may go back again and see if things change. 1 HR body massage quite good, 200 baht and I tipped her 100.

Then met up with Old New Guy for lunch at Central Festival and then we checked out Soi 7 and Soi 3 together. ONG Did not much care for Soi 7. I on the other hand found a tall, slim cute one dancing and wanted to hit that bar. ONG Said it might be a LB. And I asked one of the girls standing beside her, as she danced, and she said yes, LB. Hahaha. Thanks ONG, I almost fell that one. Actually to me looked like an 18 year old, flaca Dominican from Puerto Plata ( both skin color and looks ) but tall! ( maybe that was the clue). Boy they can act so lady like and have zero guy attributes, and was maybe 19. Go fIgure! Lesson learned. LOL.

We then went to Soi 3 and I found a massage place I liked and I decided to get another massage with a cute girl from Buriram. (yeah they are all from Isaan or Buriram, it seems, and I definitely like the Buriram ones better, but my sample size is too small and not statistically valid. Hope to get to a good sample size in the next few days). Well, ONG decided he was not interested and said bye. And I think got back on his bike. I then went in to a private room with this cute girl called Ooh, 21 very schoolgirl charm and playfulness. I went for the aroma oil massage at 450 and this girl was playful as hell and knew how to turn on the charm. Anyway, I had a good time and she wanted to offer only a HJ happy ending, which was surprising, but later came around to FS for $1500!! Tried to get her to come down and she was not budging all the way to the end and so what the heck, I gave in. Funny, bubbly, giggling girl.

On the way back at the end of Soi 3 popped in to check out the fish bowl line up at Honey 1. 2,500, 3000, 3,500 and 5000 baht ( VIP ) were the options the mgr guy quoted me. Interesting that he asked if I was by myself or a group. My guess is that they may offer a group discount. Which is why the Chinese and indians show up here in hordes. The only ones doable IMO were the 3500 baht ones, the VIP ones I think you have to ask for and that's a private audience. ( but I could be mistaken ). Maybe try it next week , perhaps a couple of days before I leave, for comparison purposes. So far, at least to me it seems that if one can get a high quality girl from Insomnia for 2 or 2.5 K , after dancing and building a rapport it could have better multi day potential, that these other places may not. Anyways, I plan to get another at least a dozen massages in the next week, so let's see if I luck into any cute ones that are available to come to VT 6.

I think staying out at Insomnia until 7 am for 4 out of 7 nights, drained me of day time activities so I will be adjusting that schedule on my part and keeping my Insomnia time to a max of 3 hours from 1230-330 here on out. That was the lesson learned.
( the girl from Insomnia Fii from Buriram, keeps calling, but so far I have not felt like I want to restart that one because then it would mean giving up on my other plans ).

On the way back, I walked back from Soi 3 to Soi 6, it was about 1030 pm and decided to see how Soi 6 looked at that time. Many places were busy but I dunno, Soi 6 may not be for me.

I then walked down Soi 6 to Beach RD, and since I had never done that walk, decided to see what this beach RD FL were all about. Walked from Soi 6 intersection to just past Mike's Mall and saw really nothing doable, except for 2 girls from Isaan, who wanted to go as a team, for 1000 baht, 22 yrs and sort of may even fit right in at one the WS clubs. Other than that, zippo. I'm sure the fact that it was 11 pm had something to do with it.

I decided to walk back to VT6 and decided to call it an early night. It's now about 6 am and my plan is to get another Thai massage (maybe around the area that Uncle V recommened) this am around 11 am, and get to Kinnaree place by 1 pm. And then nap, get another massage, get some dinner and hit Insomnia after 1230 am.

Question: Does anyone know of the Thai Massage Schools like in BKK. My body massages were not at that level and I remember last visit (eons ago of course) I had been to the premier school in BKK (a wide and tall almost 8 story building Masage School) and had a fantastic professional massage for about 2 1/2 hours on a package deal that they offered.

So, is there any such place here in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878658]We then went to Soi 3 and I found a massage place I liked and I decided to get another massage with a cute girl from Buriram. (yeah they are all from Isaan or Buriram, it seems, and I definitely like the Buriram ones better, but my sample size is too small and not statistically valid. Hope to get to a good sample size in the next few days).[/QUOTE]Buriram IS Isaan. While Buriram is both a city and a state (province) within the northeast region of Thailand, Isaan is what the northeast region is called.

And like you, I always meet some bad chicks from Buriram.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878658]I then walked down Soi 6 to Beach RD, and since I had never done that walk, decided to see what this beach RD FL were all about. Walked from Soi 6 intersection to just past Mike's Mall and saw really nothing doable, except for 2 girls from Isaan, who wanted to go as a team, for 1000 baht, 22 yrs and sort of may even fit right in at one the WS clubs. Other than that, zippo. I'm sure the fact that it was 11 pm had something to do with it.[/quote]Wrong end! There are not too many SWs down that end. And the ones that are, are usually old hags. You actually should have started at Mike's and worked your way down towards Walking Street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1878668]Buriram IS Isaan. While Buriram is both a city and a state (province) within the northeast region of Thailand, Isaan is what the northeast region is called.

And like you, I always meet some bad chicks from Buriram.

Wrong end! There are not too many SWs down that end. And the ones that are, are usually old hags. You actually should have started at Mike's and worked your way down towards Walking Street.[/QUOTE]1. Re Buriram: Heck, can't believe I didn't look that up on Wiki, like I usually do. Feel like a real idiot! LOL.

2. Re Beach RD, I guess that makes sense, as you get closer to WS? Will do the walk for the other half, clearly I missed the good half.

Thanks, Mr ENT.

Buriram may have more Khmer looking girl than Lao looking ones, so here individual preferences may be.

[QUOTE=Questner;1878711]Buriram may have more Khmer looking girl than Lao looking ones, so here individual preferences may be.[/QUOTE]Thanks, just read the Wikis of both Isan and Buriram. Interesting read, the whole Laos vs Khmer backgrounds, and the difference in culture such as sticky rice, the role of the water buffalo, marriage, dowries, politics and political impact on Thai government, and the small (or so it seems) religious differences. Given the shortage of physicians and not as good internet access ( but better highway infrastructure surprisingly ), I would think many of the Isan girls in Pattaya and BKK in many ways are probably happy to be out of there, as they probably also have more individual freedom away from Isan. Interesting that there was no mention of the Thai King's role in their sub- culture.

I suspect why some girls say they are from Isan vs Buriram, is to distinguish themselves as part of the Laos vs, Khmer culture and roots ? I think I will research this stuff some more ...( quite interesting actually). Having had a Laos woman hairdresser ( when I actually had a good crop hair) in the past ( and who was character ) my small sample size thus far suggests that for whatever reason I tend to like the Buriram ones better. Don't know, but I will be trying to understand this more....

I think it was Honey 2 you visited on soi 3. Honey 1 is near VT6. I'm not a soapie fan either I find them repetitive with girls and their set routines. If I go I never check out a lineup before 5 pm. Huge difference between what is there at 3 pm and 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878658]and get to Kinnaree place by 1 pm. And then nap, get another massage, get some dinner and hit Insomnia after 1230 am.[/QUOTE]It won't be good at 1 pm. Also be warned on a Friday there will be a ton of guys there making it not the most enjoyable place unless you've already hooked your girl (ie. Had a session with one and she wants to repeat with you so she won't leave).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1878722]I think it was Honey 2 you visited on soi 3. Honey 1 is near VT6. I'm not a soapie fan either I find them repetitive with girls and their set routines. If I go I never check out a lineup before 5 pm. Huge difference between what is there at 3 pm and 5 pm.

It won't be good at 1 pm. Also be warned on a Friday there will be a ton of guys there making it not the most enjoyable place unless you've already hooked your girl (ie. Had a session with one and she wants to repeat with you so she won't leave).[/QUOTE]Thanks, BB. As I was writing that post, I was actually asking myself was it H 1 or H 2, as the only other one I did visit was Honey 1.

It seems that H 2 is somewhat better (am I correct?). And it looks like that at that location they are also pretty close to big competition with Sabai Room (unless it is all the same owners?). Ok, when I do go I will try to get there around 6 pm, as you suggest.

Will be going to Kinnaree in a few hours !

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878725] Ok, when I do go I will try to get there around 6 pm, as you suggest.

Will be going to Kinnaree in a few hours ![/QUOTE]No, the place closes at 7 pm so don't arrive at 6 pm. Get there by 2 pm and watch the girls come in. Drinks are cheap. Food is good and cheap. If you have the option to go tomorrow (Saturday) instead, go Saturday for the free BBQ. Very good food.

Yes, Honey 2 is way better than Honey 1 imo but my friend who lives in Pattaya likes Honey 1 more. I prefer soi 6 and Kinnaree over both anyways.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1878728]No, the place closes at 7 pm so don't arrive at 6 pm. Get there by 2 pm and watch the girls come in. Drinks are cheap. Food is good and cheap. If you have the option to go tomorrow (Saturday) instead, go Saturday for the free BBQ. Very good food.

Yes, Honey 2 is way better than Honey 1 imo but my friend who lives in Pattaya likes Honey 1 more. I prefer soi 6 and Kinnaree over both anyways.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my bad. What I meant to say was go to Honey 2 at about 6 pm, sometime next week.

I will arrive at Kinnaree today, at about 2 pm after I drop off laundry at VT 6 3RD floor place and get a massage, get something to eat and head to Kinnaree by about 2 pm max.

If, I like you, find that I like Kinnaree quite a bit, then I will go tomorrow as well. But, will there be more guys on a Sat because of the free buffet. The free buffet part is really not that important for me. Since, it's Friday here, what are the best days for Kinnaree with the best guy to girl ratio, and quality of the girls (I suspect you have been there more than 10 times) ?

Yes, I've been more than 10 times in the past 6 months, but not many more. I find there are girls at Kinnaree daily but pretty sure I've never been Sunday or Monday. Like any other bar, there may be a couple of girls who only work weekends.

Hope the lineup is still good for you. I haven't been for 6 weeks now.

The buffets are technically not free. You have to spend 900(?) baht on room fees and drinks. Having said that, pretty sure no one is checking.

I've worked the place this morning from 3 to 6 and since I became an addict discomonger I must say that is the place with more stunners I ever saw. In comparison Hollywood Patong even at its best time could't hold an candle to it.

I've counted at least 4 stunners, with that I mean around 25 yrs model material, tall, slim but not skinny, perfect faces with no hints of plastic work, no bolt-on, no tattoos, perfect teeth, etc. Only one still had to complete dental braces work.

There were two by the pool tables, one was take by a very average foreigner 35 yrs or so, the other was even better, but was just sitting bored. Another bored one in white with a perfect 10 face by tables at the first bar downstair, and another 2 or 3 I've seen coming and go or on a different night. Only one or two had a slightly more evident high-end hooker look.

Impressing really. Count of hotties and cuties was also good with some 5 to 10 in total, most were taken. Also a good number of sexy or trophy hookers. BTW I spoke to the tall one at the RC, she's approachable and have good english. She said to be 1. 72 m, I thought it was more. Pretty face but not breathtaking from close-up.

These are just objective indications for the picky younger mongers which are willing to spend. Why don't go ahead with them and report some details. Most members here will never enjoy such an experience, so be generous it telling it at least!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878718]Interesting that there was no mention of the Thai King's role in their sub- culture.[/QUOTE]The King of Thailand is the King of all Thais, equally loved and respected by all, at least so we're taught.

This includes e. G. The Sino-Thai community, Isaan people for which the Royal family did and does much, I've seen that personally many times.

Now there is some people that is not "true Thai" although some have nationality or at least an ID card, e. G. immigrant workers, some displaced from Myanmar, Muslims communities harboring terrorism in the deep south, of course for them is a different story.

I have been living in Pattaya now for a grand total of 15 days. And I must say that Thaifriendly is in a BIG way one universal working girl house. For better or for worse. I was a BIG user of Filipinocupid when I live in Cebu not long ago but the hooker element was no where near what this is about. A girl I met yesterday on TF came today for money. On the site she looked like the most beautiful girl I had ever seen. Nope. Not close in person. And another one threatened to call the police and I had already payed her just to leave. Careful out there!

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1878846]And another one threatened to call the police and I had already payed her just to leave. Careful out there![/QUOTE]Bluff. Thai police knows better, fortunately they are know to not side with crazed hookers or scammers. You should have called 1155 (english spoken) right away, not paid a dime, and watched her run away.
FLs at the disco pay for their make-up, transportation and drinks every night, either have a customer or not. It's their business risk investment. Why it should be different for an online woman.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1878746]
If, I like you, find that I like Kinnaree quite a bit, then I will go tomorrow as well. But, will there be more guys on a Sat because of the free buffet. The free buffet part is really not that important for me. Since, it's Friday here, what are the best days for Kinnaree with the best guy to girl ratio, and quality of the girls (I suspect you have been there more than 10 times) ?[/QUOTE]Personally I avoid the Buffet days, too many guys around and also many men just spend alot of time for drink and keep girls busy only for drinks.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1878889]many men just spend alot of time for drink and keep girls busy only for drinks.[/QUOTE]Agree many men there do this. The first time I went with my favorite girl there a guy must have bought her 12 LD's. I sat near her just in case I could swoop in. To my surprise the guy suddenly left. She hopped right over and when I asked why he didn't go boom boom she said he only wants to buy us drinks. She was hammered and horny and we had a blast in the room.

Hey guys I am thinking to go to Pattaya and then a side trip to the island off of the coast. Do you generally get same quality of girls as in Bangkok? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1878903]Hey guys I am thinking to go to Pattaya and then a side trip to the island off of the coast. Do you generally get same quality of girls as in Bangkok? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The island off the coast, Coral Island, is not really a side trip. It is a 45 minute boat ride. You go in the morning and go to the beach and come back in the afternoon.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. They are all Thai women so I figure it would be the same. There is nobody in their hometowns separating the women by "quality" before they get on the buses to Bangkok or Pattaya.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1878846]A girl I met yesterday on TF came today for money. On the site she looked like the most beautiful girl I had ever seen. Nope. Not close in person. [/QUOTE]Don't you know that Thai women are masters of disguise? On 15 different pictures they can look like 15 different people. When I first met my last girlfriend online, from her pictures she appeared to be short, small, light skinned with straight hair. When I finally met her she was tall, darker, and thick with naturally curly hair. They usually attribute it to the camera or an app on the phone. But I notice the same thing with Dominican chicks. They can take the hell out of a picture, but when you meet them in person most are not so glamorous looking.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878828]I've worked the place this morning from 3 to 6 and since I became an addict discomonger I must say that is the place with more stunners I ever saw. In comparison Hollywood Patong even at its best time could't hold an candle to it.

I've counted at least 4 stunners, with that I mean around 25 yrs model material, tall, slim but not skinny, perfect faces with no hints of plastic work, no bolt-on, no tattoos, perfect teeth, etc. Only one still had to complete dental braces work.

There were two by the pool tables, one was take by a very average foreigner 35 yrs or so, the other was even better, but was just sitting bored. Another bored one in white with a perfect 10 face by tables at the first bar downstair, and another 2 or 3 I've seen coming and go or on a different night. Only one or two had a slightly more evident high-end hooker look.

Impressing really. Count of hotties and cuties was also good with some 5 to 10 in total, most were taken. Also a good number of sexy or trophy hookers. BTW I spoke to the tall one at the RC, she's approachable and have good english. She said to be 1. 72 m, I thought it was more. Pretty face but not breathtaking from close-up.

These are just objective indications for the picky younger mongers which are willing to spend. Why don't go ahead with them and report some details. Most members here will never enjoy such an experience, so be generous it telling it at least![/QUOTE]ONG my friend!

Why don't you go ahead and take a shot at picking up these girls? You may be surprised. And you will never know if you don't try.

What do you have to lose? Your dignity?

Anyone who is on this board has already lost that long ago. (just kidding) 555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1878948]ONG my friend!
Why don't you go ahead and take a shot at picking up these girls? You may be surprised. And you will never know if you don't try.
What do you have to lose? Your dignity?
Anyone who is on this board has already lost that long ago. (just kidding) 555.[/QUOTE]I agree. But in reality what I look for myself is a good balance of looks and performance. In the end, beauty is a fetish like another, one can talk about it without being dependent from it.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1878953]I agree. But in reality what I look for myself is a good balance of looks and performance. In the end, beauty is a fetish like another, one can talk about it without being dependent from it.[/QUOTE]More power to you brother. We have to control our base instincts and can't let them roam free all the time. 555.

But sometimes those stunners can surprise. I had one back in August that was super hot and great in bed. Tall, "blonde", with nice see cups (fake but the real expensive kind that feel real). We repeated several times and she evne came to me one afternoon for a very satisfying quickie tha I didn't even pay for (OK I did buy a rather extravagant lunch for her).

I probably would have kept it up with her but she had the most annoying squeaky voice and over the top "Barbie doll" mannerisms. She was never rude or unkind. But those quirks eventually did get to me.

Whoohoo! Back in Pattaya! I'm going to try for more, shorter reports as they are less likely to digress into only vaguely related subjects like flying squirrel sex and hopefully unrelated ones like the toilets in Narita airport.

Took Mr. T from Suvarnabhumi to my latest experiment, the Talay 6 condos. Late night check-in was no problem: The guard just asked my first name and handed me the key thing. Nice place, but my unit has a lot of those incredibly tiny ants. On the brighter side, they ensured that I did not sleep alone on my first night. Lots of company.

Today I headed to the Bar de Poste for my first attempt at ejaculation involving someone other than my hand in the last few months. Transportation will be problematic this trip as my usual mode, the moto taxis, have helmets that were clearly designed for toddlers or perhaps daredevil hamsters. Usually they are good for a laugh as I jokingly pound them onto my head, but there is a complication: A bit of a history buff, three weeks ago I decided to learn more about the scalping thing. One thing I learned was that one should whenever possible do the scalping to someone else, though, frankly, after forty staples got put into my head I sort of lost interest in the whole idea. If anyone else is interested, the way to do it if you don't have sharp objects around is to fall backwards off a ladder from something over ten feet and break your fall with your head on a ledge.

As a side benefit I managed to damage my right hand in the experiment, so I was not able to practice a lot of sex before flying over. Some say that over-preparation is the cause of my repeated failures to launch. I'll find out soon. Yes, I did try the left hand but it did not turn out well. Just like the bizarre virgin attraction, I can say that going with the least qualified and experienced candidate is just plain not a good idea.

Well, we got through two paragraphs before a major digression. Better than my usual. At any rate, I was not about to pound Ken or Barbie's helmet onto my seriously nasty scabs, so I decided to hoof it. It was mid-afternoon. It was warm. I arrived a complete mess. Cold towelettes were heaped upon me. I was accosted by a chunky young thing. I figured what the hell: Start low and work my way up. By the time I leave I hope to be banging reasonably presentable partners. Hopes get crushed daily.

Eventually there was success, though I did get an assist. She had nice boobs one of the few benefits of chunkiness that may have been real. Lots of fun to play with to help things along. And damned nice targets, too. One odd thing that I do not recall from my visit last time: The payment system is different from my usual haunts, BJ bars like Bliss and The One Whose Name We Cannot Type Here. At the end of the session I tried to give her a tip, but she refused it with some rather confusing faux-English. I tried again, explaining that it was a tip. She finally took it but seemed troubled. Then, at checkout, I got a much smaller bill than expected. Their system is, I assume (still on my bucket list), like Soi 6 where you pay the bar for the room and the young (or not) lady (or not) for the services, not like the all-inclusive payout at, say, Bliss. I quickly handed over more money to Miss Fun Tits and was on my sweaty way.

A few hours later it was Walking Street time. As usual I started at Baccara to see the eye candy, then headed to more realistic pastures. Not much to write about. Not bad, not great. Popped into Heaven Above and found that they had added a lesbian show. I got seated in a prime viewing spot which was initially not a great coup as the "lesbians" were pretty industrial quality, kind of like they usually are at the Windmill, but there weren't any gynecology wannabes doing exams like there. I was quickly grabbed by the girl they sat me beside and eventually got her a drink, partly in hopes that it would reduce the stench of her breath, a stench that could actually work its way upwind.

Fortunately it was soon time for her to go sway on stage and, even better, the vaguely bovine lezzies were done with their flopping around. Even better yet, they were replaced by two really quite attractive "lesbians". Not drop-dead gorgeous but certainly up around an 8 or so. The only real problem was that together they had enough acreage of tattoos to cover a medium sized pachyderm or three quarters of the previous lesbians. Still, worth watching. This was obviously a lot more real than the typical lezzie show where the sole qualification is that they have their private parts no more than two time zones away from each other's. I know it was real because they were cackling hysterically just like women do when they see my dick and say how hot they are in between bouts of uncontrollable laughter.

In truth it was a pretty good show, though one had the idea that they were not going to reach awesome simultaneous orgasms. They went through all the motions dry humping, groping, scissoring, etc. , but were clearly enjoying it in a very non-sexual way. Girls just want to have fun.

I tried Crazy House for the first time. Can't recall what that used to be. They had an average lineup and a more conventional lesbian show, I. E. , they sat on their asses and occasionally touched places that even your perverted cousin could get away with when he was baby sitting you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1878933]The island off the coast, Coral Island, is not really a side trip. It is a 45 minute boat ride. You go in the morning and go to the beach and come back in the afternoon.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. They are all Thai women so I figure it would be the same. There is nobody in their hometowns separating the women by "quality" before they get on the buses to Bangkok or Pattaya.[/QUOTE]On this topic, Where are a couple of nice spots to take a 2 day shot side mini vacation away from Pattaya with a chick, then back? And how you advise getting there and where to stay?

[QUOTE=Long91;1879060]On this topic, Where are a couple of nice spots to take a 2 day shot side mini vacation away from Pattaya with a chick, then back? And how you advise getting there and where to stay?[/QUOTE]I liked Koh Chang. It's about 4. 5 hours bus+ferry ride away from Patts.

You can book the trip through most of the little tourist kiosks you can find all through in Pattaya.

Lovely Island, nice beaches and good nightlife too in the main beach town.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1879019]Whoohoo! Back in Pattaya! I'm going to try for more, shorter reports SNIP.[/QUOTE]Great reports! Don't worry about the length, very entertaining.

Bule2004.

[QUOTE=Long91;1879060]On this topic, Where are a couple of nice spots to take a 2 day shot side mini vacation away from Pattaya with a chick, then back? And how you advise getting there and where to stay?[/QUOTE]Take a taxi to Bangkok and explore (the town with) her?

So, my day actually started out with me feeling pretty good and fresh, I went for a massage close to 1 pm at Rhee massage on 2nd RD. Best massage lady todate for me, but seemed like a purely proFessional massage set up, She did not even ask me to take off my light weight golf shorts. Her name is Prae and her English was for a massage lady in her late 20's was simply excellent. She said she learned by watching TV. LOL. But, massage trained in one of the professional Masaage schools in BKK. Thai body massage, 1 HR, excellent, strong, 200 baht and 100 tip.

Anyways, came back and changed and headed out to Kinnaree. As luck would have it, my moto taxi guy got totally lost (even though I though I did say Jomtien), because I thought it was really well known and I guess it isn't. Took me to Greenery, rather than Kinnaree. LOL. Anyways, with the help of some Aussie blokes in a bar there, he was given directions again by this guy who liives in Pattaya. Despite that, my taxi guy could not find the place and we were going up and down Pratumrak HIll RD (?) and he had to go find another taxi guy to give him further directions. FInally found the place and right away I was super impressed by the decor and the ambiance, but most of the time they played country music, which I hate (although both my ex from Texas and daughter are serious country music fans). Unfortunately, due to the delay in finding Kinnaree, I got there around 245 pm, and not before 2 pm as Banana Boi had recommended. The place was hopping and the male clientele mostly 65,70 and higher. I only saw 2-3 guys under 50. Anyways, I did like a quick rough count (not including those in the rooms) about 25-30 guys and 25-30 girls. I'd say the girls were really well dressed, most of them in tight one piece dresses. I'd say 2 were 9's, another 10-12 were 7's and 8's and the rest below 7.

The girls I liked were busy and so I decided to wait and take my time. Big frickin mistake! I don't usually get headaches, but after my 1. 5 Cubas, from out of nowhere, I got a really bad headache (I think for sure I had developed sinusitis from being in Ibar and Insomnia all these nights, for about 30 hours in total over 5 nights! Anyways, I thought it would go away, it didn't and I switched to just Coke Zero and decided to wait for the only girl I was interested in. Well, she was, I am sure, the most sought after (pretty tall for a Thai and a Japanese looking face. BTW Banana Boi, I did not see your PM with the recommended names until today). 3 other girls lightly strode by me and stroked my arm and I was not ready to pull the trigger (yeah I can be super stubborn most of the time, LOL).

So, this chick that I was waiting for, did 3 customers in the about 3 hours I was there (a good looking American in his early 50's, a super ugly almost super fat, gay looking creep who was either French or from northern Spain, I guess) and now she was partying and drinking with this strange 70 plus guy, super thin almost like a stick, with extra long locks of old grey hair, like a rock musician from the bygone eras and he was at a table with this chick and maybe 2 other girls and they were all drinking up a storm. And, it did not look like they were going to stop anytime soon. Well, I paid my 560 tab, tipped 140 for future recognition, potentially by the bartenders. At this point, it was like 630 pm and things were dying down, and I decided with my head ache to call it quits and came back to VT 6.

By this time, my headache and sinus pressure was pretty bad, so I decided I had no choice but to start the antibiotics that my ENT back home had just given me, and went to sleep about 8 pm, after eating a bit. Woke up at about 2 am feeling just fine and shaved, showered and was at Ibar by 3 am. Went up to Insomnia right away, and danced and partied as usual, and at about 6 am picked up this 9, 21 Y. O. who was also a great dancer and we danced for at least 30-45 minutes. LT For 2500. She was a bit drunk (but not too much), she tells me she only got there at 3 am, but had 3 beers in one hour. So, got to the room and Honey (yeah she tells me her Thai name is also same same, which I doubt) and this girl talks and talks and pours her heart out. About the guys she had met at Ibar recently (one particular bad one, who she said was 50-50 Japanese and European from the last few days (I think it may the guy ONG talked about, the Juan in a million who ONG said is 50-50 Koean and French, because I vaguely remember seeing her at his table days earlier. Soon she gives me a bunch of info about her boyfriend from Deustchland who visits her once a year and gives her money. Honey is from Isan, very striking looking and perfect figure, really firm young tits and ass, just the way I like it, about 5 ' 3 " tall. About 30 minutes later, after talking about her parents, and their holiday to Cambodia (they live pretty close to the border but she is Thai) and tons of shit I learned from her about this holiday, she goes to take a shower.

Then she asks me to take a shower, which was the plan, and then she tells me to be quick! I playfully ask why, and she says I want to touch you! Haha. Anyways in bed we caress for quite some time and then she starts kissing me intensely and she starts biting my lower lip. But I like it and it's all good. This continues for a good 15 or more minutes. She then asks if it okay to play with my banana, LOL, and soon enough it does not take long for things to heat up passionately, and we then finish and go to sleep. She leaves at about 230 pm (just a short while ago) because she has to meet her roommate for lunch and declines my offer to have lunch together. But says she will see me at night at Insomnia. She does not ask for my number and I don't ask for hers either. I suspect the sort of arms length this pm may have been due to the German boyfriend and not wanting to be seen in public with me during the daylight hours, now that she was not liquored up.

Anyways, it was memorable, and she is super nice girl, and very talkative and I liked that. Man, she loves rain and apparently has been wanting it to rain now for so many days and loves to sleep hearing the rain drops (don't we all). ,but we did cuddle, caress and stay practically intertwined all night long and talked again for an hour before she left. And I do like that, just like her I guess. But, I don't think she quite fully fell for my charm offensive! One tidbit, Her girlfriend roommate she tells me does guys for 1000 if they are young and hot looking and but they both ask for more, as the age and looks of the guy goes south. Now, that is quite a bit different from the chicas in Latin America and the Latin Caribbean, at least from my experience. I have a feeling I'm just going to keep it light, if I see her at Insomnia again, if see her tonight. My instincts tell me she thinks she' can do better, but she was alone at 630 am. So who knows. I think I'll try to find another cute dancer again tonight, after my aroma therapy oil massage by Prae.

A couple of pics. But she is not photogenic at all and way better looking in person and super great body! ( the picture got rotated by the ISG upload, tried to rotate the pic and then upload again, to neutralize the rotating by ISG, but it did not work. My bad !)

[QUOTE=Haven123;1879320]A couple of pics. But she is not photogenic at all and way better looking in person and super great body![/QUOTE]She's pretty for sure! And a much better package than the timid skinny fuck I got for 2 K. Strange that I didn't saw you at Insomnia this morning or the other nights, but I see that you're staying horny my friend, ahaha.

Glad I finally convinced someone to try Kinnaree. Most cab drivers don't know where it is but I thought I had all those cabbies outside VT6 trained! One tip is to bring up the address of the club IN THAI and show that to the taxi driver.

In case you had issues finding a taxi back, take a left out of Kinnaree, walk uphill to Phratamnak alley 4, then a left walking downhill to the New Nordic condo development near the 7-11 where there is a taxi stand 200 baht to Central Festival.

Sorry to hear about your headache. Country music does that to me too. Weird I never heard country music in there before. It's usually 80's rock.

Hope there was enough there to entice you back though. It's a good alternative to soi 6 every afternoon, especially on a hot day.

Hi.

I be taking bus from ekkamai to pattaya but what I need to find out is where does the bus stop?

Will it stop at anywhere at center area?

Thanks.