American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3018115]You know I really think people's politics are out of hand with their personal lives. What I post on here in no way reflects me in a social setting. It used to be you did not talk politics or religion, but it is hard when it is not thrown in your face.

I was in a Target and they had these trans Halloween costumes with their dick hiding pouches and then they had like some of the ugliest, fat black women photos on the walls where attractive models used to be. It was like if you said that said these "models" were inappropriate, you were racist.

With Trump's election, there is a return of whites in ads. The backlash and reaction to the new ads with good looking white models in them has been hilarious. I know it is early and we need a break from the black beasts but I hope we see commercials with attractive models of other races as well.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/leftists-lose-their-minds-over-dunkin-donuts-ad-featuring-white-model[/URL]

But the I-cannot-believe-this-is-real-article of the day from ZH is this:

TDS TikToker Asks For Tips On How To Be Unattractive To "MAGA Men".

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tds-tiktoker-asks-tips-how-be-unattractive-maga-men-gets-simple-answer[/URL]

I guess if I were to think those hideously fat and ugly black women on the walls of Target were beautiful, I would be wondering what was and was not attractive as well.

Anyway, Spidy, maybe you can use the photo and tineye and figure out the name of this uh "woman". She is waiting for you, buddy![/QUOTE]I'm guessing he's busy burning up his check on $2 blk putas in the favelas of Rio, don't worry he will return here when his SS money runs out, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3017917]Trump has padded his pocket by $2. 9 Billion while producing The Worst Presidrnt in History results, the worst economic results of any president since Herbert Hoover.

LOL. Good one![/QUOTE]What are you smokin, buddy? Geez I'd like to get some. You know he was born rich, right? Then he turned inherited millions into billions the old-fashioned way through hard work and sometimes some egotistical risks. Sure I don't agree with everything he says or does (case in point: the university) but you must be on something to not realize the country is better now than under sleepy, creepy, mumble, bumble, stumbling Joe, the head of the Biden Crime Family. Thank God that confused, cackling cohort of his got pummeled in the election When are you whacked out liberal dumbocrats going to shut the fuck up and accept the loss? Perhaps frontal lobotomies are required as a supplement to the inevitable destruction of the party and its media. Cheers.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3018155]People with XY chromosomes that vote for Democrats are worthless turds, they hate Real men and they hate America and Real Americans.

This first video with Orion Taraban talks about the show Survivor, MUST SEE FUCKING TV, this is what these feminist Cucks are doing to our country when they voted for Scumbag Bubba (1992/1996/2016) Barry (2008-2012) Biden and Birdbrain Harris 2024.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZUk_6pLqek&t=913s[/URL]

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/6Yl_ODxWhOs?si=NZSYSuFAu8fKCSex[/URL][/QUOTE]Going from "I can stop this War in ONE DAY with a phone call" to "oh, please, please, pretty please, Vladimir, you are so mean, pretty, pretty please stop the War" 190 days later is so masculine and impressive.

It has the world shaking in its boots about as much as "Bring me treasure or I will destroy your economy with tariffs on the USA, make Americans pay 50% more for almost everything they buy and start creating NEGATIVE USA jobs sooner this time than I did last time"!

Oh. So scary. So manly. And by that it means Trump owns a whole new and confirmed defitinition of Whiny Little Girl.

Lololol.

The American people have a very low Approval Rating for Democrats now because they are not stopping Dictator Trump and his America-hating MAGAs from destroying America and shitting all over the Envy of the World Economy the Biden-Harris Administration handed them.

Oh well.

Elections have consequences.

The American people will have the opportunity to start rectifying the 2024 electorate's now well and surely appreciated horrible mistake in about 10 months. If the country survives Trump and his MAGALoons that long:

[B]Democrats Regain Advantage in Party Affiliation.
Shift occurs even as Democratic Party favorability falls to record low.
July 31, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/692978/democrats-regain-advantage-party-affiliation.aspx[/URL]

[QUOTE]Shifts in party affiliation away from the ruling party have occurred in the first year of most recent presidential administrations. The current movement in party preferences is primarily driven by a greater share of political independents saying they lean toward the Democratic Party.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;3018335]What are you smokin, buddy? Geez I'd like to get some. You know he was born rich, right? Then he turned inherited millions into billions the old-fashioned way through hard work and sometimes some egotistical risks. Sure I don't agree with everything he says or does (case in point: the university) but you must be on something to not realize the country is better now than under sleepy, creepy, mumble, bumble, stumbling Joe, the head of the Biden Crime Family. Thank God that confused, cackling cohort of his got pummeled in the election When are you whacked out liberal dumbocrats going to shut the fuck up and accept the loss? Perhaps frontal lobotomies are required as a supplement to the inevitable destruction of the party and its media. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Either that is some very weird sarcasm or you have absolutely zero knowledge of Donald J. Trump"s history as a failed businessman many times over, losing millions of his daddy's money and then burning through other people's money after that.

6-7 business bankruptcies?

Trump Steaks?

Trump Airlines?

Trump's Taj Mahal?

Trump University?

I assume you never heard of any of that.

Trump keeps losing other people's money and his own due to his own colossal fuck-ups:

[B]The Trumps, America's Biggest Socialists and Welfare Queens[/B]

[URL]https://www.abi.org/feed-item/trump-socialism-and-housing-finance[/URL]

[QUOTE]Various tax law scholars have commented on the tax fraud allegations in the recent New York Times story. Equally important is the story's reminder that our housing finance system, and the real estate fortunes it has spawned, have depended for nearly a century on the largess of government.

Fred Trump, the president's father, built the fortune that Donald Trump inherited after avoiding or evading millions in estate and gift taxes. Fred's fortune was almost entirely due to his savvy exploitation of federal government housing subsidies.[/QUOTE][B]Fact Check: Trumps claim that he built his company with $1 million loan.[/B]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-that-he-built-his-company-with-1-million-loan/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Wall Street Journal on Sept. 23 reported that a 1985 casino-license document showed that Donald Trump owed his father and fathers businesses about $14 million.

In a 2007 deposition, Trump admitted he had borrowed a small amount from his fathers estate: I think it was like in the $9 million range. And as Trumps casinos ran into trouble, Trumps father also purchased $3.5 million in gaming chips but did not use them, so the casino would have enough cash to make payments on its mortgage a transaction that casino authorities later said was an illegal loan.[/QUOTE]He lost another shitload of money thanks to his laying the groundwork for, ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic:

[B]Its Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500.[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Forbes estimates the size of Donald Trumps fortune twice a year, as represented by the green bars. Before the pandemic, Trump was worth far more than what he would have been if he had put his fathers funds into the S&P 500, a hypothetical amount symbolized by the black line cutting through the bars. After Covid struck, however, Trumps business deflated while the market soared, meaning Trump would now be richer if he had just invested it all in the S&P 500.[/QUOTE][B]Donald Trump's wealth takes tumble during presidency.
March 21, 2021[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56438914[/URL]

[QUOTE]Donald Trump's net worth dropped by about $700m to $2.3bn (1.65bn) during his time as president, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

The Covid-19 pandemic hit his fortunes hard, with Mr Trump's office buildings, branded hotels and resorts losing revenue and falling in value.

His fleet of planes and golf courses have also seen drops in their value.[/QUOTE]Ah. But then this happened, while he was supposedly "working" at the job of being a so-called president:

[B]'Roadmap for corruption: Trump dive into cryptocurrency raises ethics alarm.
The presidents hawking of $Trump memecoin has sparked a firestorm of criticism over potential influence buying.
May 25, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/25/trump-crypto-corruption-ethics[/URL]

The only time that dude has ever "made" money has been when he inherited it, borrowed it and never paid it back or scammed it from the USA Taxpayers while being subsidized by them or in scam opportunities afforded him by being a government employee.

Gee, at first glance one might mistakenly conclude Clinton and Obama scammed all those financial gains during their 8 year presidencies while kindly and generous Trump just gave away his fortune during his 4 years.

[B]Barack Obama
John F. Kennedy
Bill Clinton.
Chart Shows Net Worth of US Presidents Before and After Office.
Dec. 16, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-net-worth-us-presidents-before-after-office-1992975[/URL]

[QUOTE]Former and future President Donald Trump, was the only commander-in-chief who lost money during his time in the Oval Office, which was thought to be driven largely by the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Bill Clinton Increased His Wealth by the Most After Presidency, Barack Obama Was Second [/QUOTE]But wait! There's more!

How did THIS happen to kindly and generous Trump?

[B]Donald Trump Gained More Money Under Obama Than Any Other Presidency.
March 7, 2018[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/03/07/donald-trump-gained-more-money-under-barack-obamas-tenure-than-any-other-presidency/[/URL]

Ok, I'll help you MAGAs connect those big obvious dots:

Damn near everybody made serious money by the end of the Clinton and Obama presidencies, even Clinton and Obama.

Damn near everybody lost serious money by the end of the Trump presidency, even Trump.

[B]Donald Trump Once Said 'Economy Does Better Under The Democrats' Slammed 'Pretty Bad Disasters' By Republicans: 'It Shouldn't Be That Way'
May 20, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-once-said-economy-023016059.html[/URL]

But it is that way. Donnieboy. You connected those big obvious dots a long time ago.

Or, as MAGAs would say, "better" for America. LOL.

[B]Trumps tariffs could squeeze U.S. factories and raise costs by up to 4.5%, a new analysis finds.
July 29, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trumps-tariffs-could-squeeze-u-s-factories-and-raise-costs-by-up-to-4-5-a-new-analysis-finds[/URL]

[QUOTE]"Theres going to be a cash squeeze for a lot of these firms, said Chris Bangert-Drowns, the researcher at the Washington Center for Equitable Growth who conducted the analysis. Those seemingly small changes at factories with slim profit margins, Bangert-Drowns said, could lead to stagnation of wages, if not layoffs and closures of plants if the costs are untenable.
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The U.S. stock market has shown relief the tariff rates arent as high as Trump initially threatened in April and hope for a sense of stability going forward. Trump maintains the tariff revenues will whittle down the budget deficit and help whip up domestic factory jobs, all while playing down the risks of higher prices.

Weve wiped out inflation, Trump said last Friday before boarding Marine One while on his way to Scotland.[/QUOTE]Uh, nope.

The S&P 500 Index has increased a paltry low of about 4% since Trump took office again 6 1/2 months ago. Hardly "soaring" as so many Winger and even a few typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media outlets has mischaracterized it in order to keep their jobs. In fact, it is one of the worst 1st year trends in a new administration's stock market results for an administration NOT taking over in the midst of a Great Repub Recession of other Great Repub Economic Disaster.

The rate of inflation has gone UP over the past few months under Trump, a reversal of the downward trend under Biden last year as Biden-Harris handed Trump the Envy of the World Economy.

[QUOTE]A June survey by the Atlanta Federal Reserve suggested companies would on average pass half of their tariff costs onto U.S. consumers through higher prices. Labor Department data shows America lost 14,000 manufacturing jobs after Trump rolled out his April tariffs, putting a lot of pressure as to whether a rebound starts in the June employment report coming out Friday.[/QUOTE]Welp. We all now know how that Friday jobs report turned out, continuing the Trump "economy" job creation trend of producing about 50% FEWER jobs per month than Biden's economy produced last year.

Again, what MAGAs would say is "better" for America. LOL.

[QUOTE][b]With new tariffs in place, there are new costs for factories[/b]

The Washington Center for Equitable Growth analysis shows how Trumps devotion to tariffs carries potential economic and political costs for his agenda. In the swing states of [b]Michigan and Wisconsin[/b], more than 1 in 5 jobs are in the critical sectors of manufacturing, construction, mining and oil drilling and maintenance that have high exposures to his import taxes.[/QUOTE]Oh, it is so sweet that Trump typically crap Repub economic policy and stewardship results will do very special damage to 2 of the only 3 Swing states that mattered in giving him that razor-thin election victory last year!

[QUOTE]"Were getting squeezed from all sides, said Justin Johnson, president of Jordan Manufacturing Co. in Belding, Michigan, northeast of Grand Rapids. His grandfather founded the company in 1949.

The company, which makes parts used by Amazon warehouses, auto companies and aerospace firms, has seen the price of a key raw material steel coil rise 5% to 10% this year.

Trump has imposed 50% tariffs on imported steel and aluminum. Jordan Manufacturing doesnt buy foreign steel. [B]But by crippling foreign competition,
Trumps tariffs have allowed domestic U.S. steelmakers to hike prices.[/b][/QUOTE]See, that's how it works in the real world. Not only at the wholesale and manufacturing level but at the retail level, too. Walmart is going to wonder why they should just raise prices only on their imported products in order to heal its profit margin wounds inflicted by Trump's numbskull Tarriff Import Taxes On America when there are also domestically produced items on its shelves that could, you know, heal those wounds much faster and easier by the simple act of raising those prices too.

That is, if those domestic manufacturers haven't already raised their prices. I mean, after all, the CEOs and employees at those domestic manufacturers are seeing and paying higher prices for imported items under Trump's Tariff Import Taxes too and, well, naturally need an increase in income to keep up with higher prices and higher rates of inflation.

Yep, what MAGAs claim is "better" for America.

[QUOTE][b]Trump says no inflation from tariffs, but businesses see higher prices[/b]

The Trump White House insists inflation is not surfacing in the economy, issuing a report through the Council of Economic Advisers this month saying the price of imported goods fell between December of last year and this past May. These findings contradict claims that tariffs or tariff-fears would lead to an acceleration of inflation, the report concludes.

Ernie Tedeschi, director of economics at the Budget Lab at Yale University, said that the more accurate measure would be to compare the trends in import prices with themselves in the past and that the CEAs own numbers show import prices have accelerated in recent months.

The latest estimate from the Budget Lab at Yale is [b]the tariffs would cause the average household to have $2,400 less than it would otherwise have.[/b][/QUOTE]Ah, now that is much, much "better" for America.

But no matter. All of those extra costs to the American Working Men and Women Consumers will be wiped out after Trump reduces the price of prescription drugs by "1,400%" and, consequently, everbody will MAKE SERIOUS MONEY by buying prescription drugs! Which I swear to god almighty he repeated again today to a gaggle of pretend reporters, none of whom had the least bit enough of a problem with the math on that to trigger an ordinary follow up question about it.

Then again, it is clear they cannot challenge Dictator Trump on any of the impossible numbers and blithering blathering bullshit that flows out of his lying pie hole by the minute and keep their job.

You remember that, right?

LOL. Well, if you do then you and the liars who keep repeating that Trump lie are more cognitively impaired than Joe Biden ever has been or will be over the next 4 years.

Uh. That never happened.

In fact, the BLS downward revision by 818,000 jobs was announced and fully reported in August of 2024, months before the election and, if anything, even though a downward revision of 818,000 jobs is a drop in the bucket of the millions upon millions more jobs Biden-Harris created beyond recovering all the millions of jobs Trump wiped out in his first term, it could be much more logically argued that BLS Report in August 2024 harmed Harris' chances of getting elected and helped Trump.

[B]Nonfarm payroll growth revised down by 818,000, Labor Department says.
August 21, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/nonfarm-payroll-growth-revised-down-by-818000-labor-department-says.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The U.S. economy created 818,000 fewer jobs than originally reported in the 12-month period through March 2024, the Labor Department reported Wednesday.[/QUOTE]Now, to further illustrate the fact that Donald J. Trump is the dumbest conman and liar of all time but that doesn't matter because his target marks, the Repub MAGAs, also happen to be the dumbest suckers of all time, not only did that August 2024 BLS Revision Report harm Harris and improve Trump's chances of winning the election even if it hadn't fallen to that tiny handful of angry Muslims across just the only 3 swing states that mattered to be the sole reason he won, but THIS recent BLS downward revision report for which he fired the same BLS Commissioner who is supervised by a Trump appointee and the same one whose report potentially helped him win his razor-thin election finally included a substantive piece of economic data that Fed Chairman could use to justify a Fed Funds Rate Cut, which is what Trump has been whining, crying, begging and pleading for!

LOL. So I sure hope whatever new MAGA BLS Commisioner he puts in there to lie about the jobs numbers in order to make him look good does it well enough to convince Powell NOT to enact a rate cut after all.

Lololol.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3017418]Given that natural gas plants cost so little up front and wind and solar cost so much up front, the best thing that could happen for an alternate energy humper like you would be for interest rates to come down which ironically you Democratic douches do not want.[/QUOTE]The little country that could, tells of a fascinating new report about the little known story of Nepal's electrification growth.

[b]With EV sales from 0% to 76% passenger vehicles and 50% commercial vehicles in 5 yrs, [/b]it has not only transformed the country economic outlook, but also it's energy security, into the beginning stages of electrostate wonder.

While EV sales in the U.S. continue to struggle (with the Fuhrer's "Drill baby Drill" idiot administration rolling back clean tech advances), the small and often inconsequential country of Nepal, has (IMHO) figured out that what it means to be an electrostate, that ultimately provides an increased level of energy security, energy independence and a respite from geo-eco-poltical pressures from authoritarian peterostates.

[b]NYT: The Country Where 76% of Cars Sold Are Electric[/b]
[LIST][i]"Many countries are trying to electrify their vehicle fleets, but the case for doing so is even more obvious in Nepal, with its clean energy embodied in the rivers that run down from the Himalayas.

A 2015 border skirmish with India squeezed Nepals petroleum imports, then its largest energy source. After that, the government invested heavily in hydropower and grid infrastructure that have provided cheap, nonpolluting sources of electricity. Nearly all households now have access, and the rolling blackouts have ended."[/i] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/business/nepal-electric-vehicles-china.html[/url][/LIST]
[u]From Fossil Fuel Energy Deficit to Clean Energy Exporter:[/u]

Electrostate Nepal (IMHO), has transitioned from a "petrostate-imperial-yoke", of 18-hour daily blackouts, pre-2016, to exporting 800+ MW daily to India and Bangladesh, [b]earning NPR 17 billion in the years 2023/24. [/b] [url]https://myrepublica.nagariknetwork.com/news/giving-momentum-to-current-power-generation-growth-76-91.html[/url]

Yes, the global south (one country at a time), is figuring it out and getting the message, that moving to an electrostate model is the answer to for future growth and geo-eco-poltical stability!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3018512]It is because you want illegals to vote Democrat and parasites like you can keep getting your checks. That is what you Democratic douches are really all about, rigging elections![/QUOTE]The 2nd reason the Marxist wokies want illegal aliens in the states and cities they control is to make up for the exodus of American citizens leaving their totally mismanaged blue states and cities like CA and San Francisco for a better life in states like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. Thus, the Left demands that illegals to be counted in their census in order to maintain and not lose their present number of congressional districts in the House of Representatives. And this is why the communists go ape shit whenever reasonable Americans want the census to accurately represent what is really going on in their respective states.

I wonder if numbskull Matt Taibbi has anything to blather about this:

[B]Durham disclosures further undermine Gabbards claims of plot against Trump.
Declassified document contains deflating conclusion for DNI director that Russian spies were behind key 2016 emails.
Aug. 2, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/02/tulsi-gabbard-trump-john-durham-report[/URL]

[QUOTE]Tulsi Gabbard, the director of US national intelligence, hoped to uncover evidence that Barack Obama and his national security team conspired to undermine Donald Trump in a slow-motion coup.

But if her crusade was aimed at proving that Obama embarked on a treasonous conspiracy to falsely show that Russia intervened in the 2016 presidential election to help Trump, Gabbard made a mistake. [B]A previously classified annexe to a report by another special counsel, John Durham appointed towards the end of Trumps first presidency has further undermined Gabbards case.[/b]

It was a quixotic enterprise from the start.

After all, the 2019 report from Robert Mueller, the original special counsel appointed to investigate the Russia allegations, [b]and a bipartisan five-volume report the following year from the Senate intelligence committee then chaired by Marco Rubio, now Trumps secretary of state both affirmed the offending January 2017 intelligence community assessment, which expressed high confidence in Russian interference.[/b]

Vladimir Putin, Russias president, seemed to validate the intelligences premise in 2018 when, standing beside Trump at a news conference in Helsinki, he admitted wanting him to win.

The newly unclassified 29-page document from Durham, made public this week, contains a deflating conclusion for Gabbard.[b] It confirms that Russian spies were behind the emails that were originally released as the result of a Russian cyber-hack of internal Democratic information channels and which Trump supporters believed showed the campaign of Hillary Clinton, his 2016 opponent, conspiring to accuse him of colluding with Moscow.[/b][/QUOTE]Putin wanted Trump to win and he instructed his agents to help Trump win.

He admitted to both at that Helsinki press conference where Trump threw America's intelligence community under the bus and sided with Russia's. There is zero evidence that Putin or his agents ever helped Hillary Clinton.

You're going to see the word [B]"immigration"[/B] used in practically every crap economic numbers and prognostications Trump well and surely earns going forward whenever multiple credible independent entities can wade through the lies about them we are going to hear from Dictator Trump and his MAGA lackeys from now on.

And, just like that AI Overview I posted on the issue a couple of days ago, neither Goldman Sachs nor any other economic entity is going to differentiate between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants when it comes to more of them being good for the economy as Biden's brilliant handling of the issue during his historic and internationally superior recovery from Trump's Pandemic Economic Disaster proved month after month after month.

So too, Goldman Sachs is talking about precisely the "illegal" Immigrants who work and pay taxes while using very little of the social entitlements their tax dollars pay for but that Trump is chasing down and rounding up for deportation in his brave mission to keep America safe from nail salon technicians, farm workers and gardeners.

[B]Housing to remain weakest part of economy in the second half, Goldman says.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/04/housing-to-remain-weakest-part-of-economy-in-the-2nd-half-goldman-says.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The housing market will [b]hamper economic growth[/b] in the second half of the year, according to Goldman Sachs.

Residential investment should fall 8% in the back-half of the year compared with the same period a year ago, Jan Hatzius, Goldmans chief economist, told clients in a Sunday note. Declines in affordability and [b]immigration[/b] are among the key causes of weakness in the housing market, he said.
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The economist pointed to two key overhangs for the housing market.

[B]A slowdown in immigration[/b] is likely to limit household formation in the midst of President Donald Trumps crackdown on illegal border crossing following his return to the White House earlier this year.

Hatzius also cited the rising popularity of mortgage buydowns, when homebuyers purchase mortgage points to lower their rates, as evidence of affordability issues.[/QUOTE]

"The Woke Gestapo in the far-left entertainment media are targeting Sydney Sweeney for a career blacklisting.

So far, Sweeney's committed two cardinal sins. The first is daring to be sexy and appealing in an American Eagle blue jeans ad. You see, Sweeney had the temerity to be normal-beautiful, not fat / trans / tattooed "beautiful. "

After five years of Normal People being grossed out by an "inclusive standard of beauty" and "body positivity" which is nothing more than an affirmative action program that allows ugly people to appear in Swimsuit Editions and underwear ads Sweeney dared to be her sensual, appealing, all-American self in a campaign that even included her own Ford Mustang.

The campaign was a massive success (duh), the blue jeans sold out (duh), and then the left did what it always does in the face of Normal succeeding: they freaked out and screamed "Nazi". And no, it wasn't just nobodies on TikTok melting down. Disney staffers at ESPN declared the ad "fascist. " MSNBC said it was "fair" to attack the ad as "Nazi propaganda. ".

American Eagle, to its great credit, appears to understand that social media is not real life. Obviously, the ad is a rousing success. Obviously, Normal People appreciate this return to Normalcy. Obviously, though this ad, American Eagle has earned the goodwill of a vast majority of the people who long ago tired of staring at fat women in bikinis. So American Eagle has already told the Woke Gestapo to suck it.

Ahh, but the Woke Gestapo isn't used to losing, especially when it uses the word "Nazi. " In the past, companies have always caved. This cannot stand. The Woke Gestapo never surrender, so now they're targeting the girl, a 27-year-old rising star who did nothing wrong other than to prove America is ready for a return to a normal America where attractive people sell the stuff.

Yes, the Woke Gestapo doxed this poor woman. To destroy her career, they went digging and apparently discovered she registered as a Republican in Florida months prior to the 2024 presidential election.

The fact that this is news tells you everything you need to know about the fascist scum in Hollywood. In a sane, tolerant, and decent Hollywood, the idea that a woman who lives in Florida is registered to one of only two of America's major political parties would not be news. Good grief.

But, you see, Sweeney was already suspect over questionable associations meaning her family.

But this. This! A registered Republican? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. She must answer for this!

Listen, I'm not one for giving successful people advice. If Sweeney asked me for guidance, not wanting to do her any harm, I'd suggest she call someone else. The one thing I would tell her, though, is not to cave, not to give in. That's what Hollywood's New McCarthyites want because they know if she grovels, that will be the end of her. They will never forgive her for being one of those, and if she caves like a gerbil, she'll lose support from Normal People. Then she's got nothing.

Hopefully, Sweeney will not back down, which might stop others in the entertainment industry from cowering. America desperately needs Normal Sexy again. If a woman is willing to be objectified by the male gaze and men are willing to objectify her, that's called "consenting adults. "

Super-producer Brian Grazer admitted to voting for Trump. There are more. They've been intimidated into silence and lying. The more who come out of the closet, the better.

Sweeney should be classy but unapologetic about her political beliefs, and she should definitely continue to drive the boys crazy with her classic beauty. If she handles this right, she'll become a superstar, prove the Woke Gestapo's power is mostly an illusion, and maybe even make Hollywood a little less fascist.

Yep, if she handles this right, she has a shot at becoming an icon not a MAGA icon, but an icon for free-thinking, free-spirited women tired of being bullied into a box. " -John Nolte.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018596]The 2nd reason the Marxist wokies want illegal aliens in the states and cities they control is to make up for the exodus of American citizens leaving their totally mismanaged blue states and cities like CA and San Francisco for a better life in states like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. Thus, the Left demands that illegals to be counted in their census in order to maintain and not lose their present number of congressional districts in the House of Representatives. And this is why the communists go ape shit whenever reasonable Americans want the census to accurately represent what is really going on in their respective states.[/QUOTE]Right now Repub Wingers are trying to rig the system to maintain control of Congress by conjuring up extra Reoub Winger Congressional districts in Texas.

Is that because so many Americans have fled Texas to live somewhere that hasn't become such a shitty place to live and work?

Just checking.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018609]I wonder if numbskull Matt Taibbi has anything to blather about this:

[B]Durham disclosures further undermine Gabbards claims of plot against Trump.
Declassified document contains deflating conclusion for DNI director that Russian spies were behind key 2016 emails.
Aug. 2, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/02/tulsi-gabbard-trump-john-durham-report[/URL]

Putin wanted Trump to win and he instructed his agents to help Trump win.

He admitted to both at that Helsinki press conference where Trump threw America's intelligence community under the bus and sided with Russia's. There is zero evidence that Putin or his agents ever helped Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE]Of XX chromosomes over Real Men.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/02/style/tea-app-data-breach-women-dating.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3018565]The little country that could, tells of a fascinating new report about the little known story of Nepal's electrification growth.

[b]With EV sales from 0% to 76% passenger vehicles and 50% commercial vehicles in 5 yrs, [/b]it has not only transformed the country economic outlook, but also it's energy security, into the beginning stages of electrostate wonder.

While EV sales in the U.S. continue to struggle (with the Fuhrer's "Drill baby Drill" idiot administration rolling back clean tech advances), the small and often inconsequential country of Nepal, has (IMHO) figured out that what it means to be an electrostate, that ultimately provides an increased level of energy security, energy independence and a respite from geo-eco-poltical pressures from authoritarian peterostates.

[b]NYT: The Country Where 76% of Cars Sold Are Electric[/b]
[LIST][i]"Many countries are trying to electrify their vehicle fleets, but the case for doing so is even more obvious in Nepal, with its clean energy embodied in the rivers that run down from the Himalayas.[/QUOTE]And who is against hydroelectric power? If only Nepal were different in some way than other countries. So yeah, that makes sense, built hydroelectric plants, and buy cars from China that is willing willing to sell vehicles for less than what it costs them to make.

But this anecdote is meaningless when you look at Europe and the USA with a domestic car industry and cannot provide all their power via hydroelectricity. Nice try though!

[blue][Just write about American Politics not about the penis of other members. Admin3][/blue]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018609]I wonder if numbskull Matt Taibbi has anything to blather about this.

He admitted to both at that Helsinki press conference where Trump threw America's intelligence community under the bus and sided with Russia's. There is zero evidence that Putin or his agents ever helped Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE]LOL. You are doing the typical straw man bullshit about Taibbi. Did this committee have all the evidence including evidence from actual spies in the Russian government? Fuck no! So what are you blabbering on about?

The actual intelligence, you know from a spy we have placed in Russia, said Putin did not care who won. The objective evidence on your side is the Steele Dossier literally paid for by Hiliary Clinton and an anonymous email without a time stamp or signature or anything. It is literally the electronic equivalent of a post it note.

Does it surprise me that you believe Russiagate is real based on such flimsy evidence a 4th grader could have done it? Hell no. That is why I keep calling you a dumb shit Democratic.

You cannot say Joe Biden was cognitively impaired even after your party threw him under the bus.

They don't look like me. They are saltine cracker eating (compound profanity redacted) who have never had to work a hard day in their life because of perceptions and advantages received from where their mother squatted and pushed them out.

We have individuals talking about immigration. It is the new mantra of the far right. Instead of focusing on the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] vacuuming up all the assets and wealth of the middle class they are buying into the false narrative of immigrants being the problem. They forget that the White House of the country where the current POTUS operates out of was build with slave labor.

We have individuals posting here that thinks a permanent residence is not a guest. That do not understand I am a citizen and cannot get deported. If you can get deported from the Dis-United States of America then you are a guest. They say I should be charged with Treason because I disagree with them. Yet, they themselves have NEVER taken a oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

Why is it they cannot recognize that the reason life is not getting better any particular individual nor are things getting better for the majority in the Dis-United States of America is because of the current massive transfer of wealth going on from the middle class to the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B]?

No amount of personal attacks are going to change that unless the Dis-United States of America begins to tax wealth. Make the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U] pay more than their fair share of taxes and restore a reasonable balance of the ownership of assets and wealth.

That is the United States of America that I grew up in. One where an enlisted man in the United States Military could buy a home with very little debt that allowed him to raise and protect his family.

Try using reason instead of showing you are intellectually bankrupt by engaging in [B]Ad Hominem[/B] attacks.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018619]You're going to see the word [B]"immigration"[/B] used in practically every crap economic numbers and prognostications Trump well and surely earns going forward whenever multiple credible independent entities can wade through the lies about them we are going to hear from Dictator Trump and his MAGA lackeys from now on.

And, just like that AI Overview I posted on the issue a couple of days ago, neither Goldman Sachs nor any other economic entity is going to differentiate between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants when it comes to more of them being good for the economy as Biden's brilliant handling of the issue during his historic and internationally superior recovery from Trump's Pandemic Economic Disaster proved month after month after month.

So too, Goldman Sachs is talking about precisely the "illegal" Immigrants who work and pay taxes while using very little of the social entitlements their tax dollars pay for but that Trump is chasing down and rounding up for deportation in his brave mission to keep America safe from nail salon technicians, farm workers and gardeners.

[B]Housing to remain weakest part of economy in the second half, Goldman says.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/04/housing-to-remain-weakest-part-of-economy-in-the-2nd-half-goldman-says.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/04/business/switzerland-tariffs-trump.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/03/business/trump-tariffs-how-much-money-debt.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018596][B]The Idea is to Hold on to Power[/b]
The 2nd reason the Marxist wokies want illegal aliens in the states and cities they control is to make up for the exodus of American citizens leaving their totally mismanaged blue states and cities like CA and San Francisco for a better life in states like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. Thus, the Left demands that illegals to be counted in their census in order to maintain and not lose their present number of congressional districts in the House of Representatives. And this is why the communists go ape shit whenever reasonable Americans want the census to accurately represent what is really going on in their respective states.[/QUOTE]If Dems pack their ordinarily Dem districts with illegal immigrants who can't vote, how does that help them maintain control of those districts in Congress? Wouldn't all the legal MAGA votes in those districts have an edge over a Dem electorate supposedly made up of many people who can't vote anyway?

It is important to get the census right including hard working, tax-paying, non-voting and less social entitlement immigrant residents for the purposes of resources and funding for roads, waterways, hospitals, schools and so on. Packing them with people who cannot vote has no impact on which way the districts go Dem vs Repub.

Been that way since 1790:

Explainer: Trump's Executive Order Rolling Back Census Protections. Common Cause [URL]https://www.commoncause.org/resources/explainer-trumps-executive-order-rolling-back-census-protections/[/URL].

Trump's stupidity and the greater stupidity of his Repub MAGA Cult Followers knows no bounds! LOL.

Trump keeps lying about how that evil BLS Commisioner put out a glowing jobs creation report "just days before the election" and then revised it down by "900,000 or a million jobs" after the election, thereby showing unmistakable bias for Biden-Harris and "rigging" it against that poor, poor multi-millionaire-born Trust Fund Baby Trump who has been carried like so much limp baggage from one advantage to another since birth all the while whining, crying and whimpering like a little girl about how everything is "rigged" against him.

We already know the downward revision that Trump was probably referring to and lying about, by 818,000 jobs, was reported in August 2024, months before the election, not after the election, and in plenty of time to help Trump and harm Harris in the November 5th election, not the other way around.

But more about that BLS report that Trump lied about being so glowing and helpful to Harris "just days before the election".

Uh.

The Real World timeline. Please note the date:

[B]U.S. economy added just 12,000 jobs in October, impacted by hurricanes, Boeing strike.
November 1, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/us-jobs-report-october-2024.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Nonfarm payrolls increased by 12,000 for the month, down sharply from September and below the Dow Jones estimate for 100,000.[/QUOTE]Oh, to be sure, there WAS a BLS revision to that month's numbers after the election.

Again, please note the date;.

[B]January 2025 Jobs Report.[/B]

[URL]https://www.staffingindustry.com/research/research-reports/americas/january-2025-jobs-report[/URL]

[QUOTE]The December Employment Situation, released today by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), indicates that total nonfarm employment rose by +256,000 in December on a seasonally adjusted basis, while temporary help services employment increased by +5,300 jobs.
..........
[B]BLS Revisions:[/b]

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment [b]for October was revised up by 7,000, from +36,000 to +43,000[/b], and the change for November was revised down by 15,000, from +227,000 to +212,000. [/QUOTE]The so-called president of the United States of America just fired a BLS Commisioner based on his provable lie and on his unfounded "opinion" that the numbers were "rigged" to make him look bad.

Of all the utterly chaotic incoherent shit-storms that Trump and his MAGAs have plunged America and the rest of the World into, this particular firing of that woman for that made-up reason based on an obvious and provable lie might well turn out to produce the most lingering damage.

Nobody on the planet has any reason to believe any "good" economic numbers coming out of this administration or any other agency as long as Trump is in control. If there is another revision that shows "good" numbers for July, no one will believe it nor should anyone believe it nor should anyone move forward on an economic plan or business based on any "good" numbers that are reported by this administration.

That line has been crossed and we can never go back until Trump and everyone in his administration are gone and forgotten.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3018682]LOL. You are doing the typical straw man bullshit about Taibbi. Did this committee have all the evidence including evidence from actual spies in the Russian government? Fuck no! So what are you blabbering on about?

The actual intelligence, you know from a spy we have placed in Russia, said Putin did not care who won. The objective evidence on your side is the Steele Dossier literally paid for by Hiliary Clinton and an anonymous email without a time stamp or signature or anything. It is literally the electronic equivalent of a post it note.

Does it surprise me that you believe Russiagate is real based on such flimsy evidence a 4th grader could have done it? Hell no. That is why I keep calling you a dumb shit Democratic.

You cannot say Joe Biden was cognitively impaired even after your party threw him under the bus.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/1O1piTvGt_A?si=UkHoouyV3gXW-yRZ[/URL]

[B]Question:[/B]

Did you want president Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?

[B]Putin:[/B]

Yes, I did.

Yes, I did.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018646]Right now Repub Wingers are trying to rig the system to maintain control of Congress by conjuring up extra Reoub Winger Congressional districts in Texas.

Is that because so many Americans have fled Texas to live somewhere that hasn't become such a shitty place to live and work?

Just checking.[/QUOTE]The commentary coming from some blue state governors is hilarious. More Texas Democratic lawmakers fled to Illinois than any other state, to escape the wrath of the Texas Attorney General, and more importantly deprive Republican legislators of a quorum to redistrict. Here's what Illinois Governor J be Pritzker had to say: ""We passed a map in Illinois that follows the Constitution and that is not what Gov. Abbott is trying to do in Texas. " Then why is it that 44% of Illinois voters cast their ballots for Trump, while Republicans only got 18% of House seats? Well, according to Pritzker, it's because the Democratic Party is "good at delivering for the people of Illinois. " And what's good for the people of Illinois? Democratic control of the House of course! Congratulations Tooms, Pritzker's "ends justify the means" reasoning was the same as yours when I last brought to your attention that Democrats out-gerrymandered Republicans for over 60 years. If it's good for Democrats it's got to be good for America!

The hypocrisy coming from Michelle Luhan, governor of New Mexico, on Wolf Blitzer's show was even more extreme. She really bashed Republicans for cheating. Trump got 46% of the vote there, but there's no Republican in the House representing New Mexico. This is racist. It's discrimination against the rednecks who populate southern and eastern New Mexico. Did Blitzer question her about that? Of course not. Not on CNN.

Still, I suspect this was a stupid move by Trump. Now Illinois, California and other blue states are talking about redistricting too. While it may be difficult for them to pick up many seats given how heavily gerrymandered the states are already, this is just one more thing that Trump's done to rile up the Democrats. And riled up Democrats go to the voting booth.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]

Here we go again.

Looking forward to that inevitable day after a new and perhaps more deadly and economically catastrophic Trump's Pandemic is raging around the world unbridled, mass murdering millions more Americans, shutting down more global and domestic supply-chains, wiping out millions upon millions of jobs again, shutting down schools, triggering hyper-inflation everywhere due to shortages again and on and on, and the outright MAGAs and of course the ultra pro Repub MAGA pretend "bothsiders / neithersiders" rush forward to grandly announce, "Oh, it is hilarious to blame this on Trump. Gee, this Pandemic came out of nowhere. Right out of the clear blue sky. Nobody could have predicted it. Nobody could have prevented it. It would have happened no matter who was dancing alone with both fists waving in the air in the White House Ballroom or golfing at one of his failed golf resorts. Harris would have handled it much worse, blah blah blah blah blah".

[B]RFK Jr.s firing of CDC vaccine panel undermines science, could threaten public health, experts say.
June 10, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/10/rfk-jr-firing-of-cdc-vaccine-advisors.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has gutted a key government panel of vaccine advisors, a stunning move that some public health experts say undermines science, disrupts a trusted regulatory process, and could sow public distrust in vaccinations and federal health agencies.[/QUOTE][B]RFK Jr. cuts $500 million in mRNA vaccine contracts, dealing major blow to promising area of research.
The cuts add to mounting evidence that Kennedy is pursuing an aggressive anti-vaccine agenda.
Aug. 6, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/rfk-jr-cuts-500-million-mrna-vaccine-contracts-dealing-major-blow-prom-rcna223281[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Trump administration is terminating 22 contracts focused on developing mRNA vaccines and winding down additional federal investments in mRNA technology, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced Tuesday.

Many scientists and infectious disease experts swiftly denounced the move as a broadside on an area of research seen as particularly promising after its use in rapidly developing Covid vaccines.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018691]They don't look like me. They are saltine cracker eating (compound profanity redacted) who have never had to work a hard day in their life because of perceptions and advantages received from where their mother squatted and pushed them out.

We have individuals talking about immigration. It is the new mantra of the far right. Instead of focusing on the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] vacuuming up all the assets and wealth of the middle class they are buying into the false narrative of immigrants being the problem. They forget that the White House of the country where the current POTUS operates out of was build with slave labor.

We have individuals posting here that thinks a permanent residence is not a guest. That do not understand I am a citizen and cannot get deported. If you can get deported from the Dis-United States of America then you are a guest. They say I should be charged with Treason because I disagree with them. Yet, they themselves have NEVER taken a oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

Why is it they cannot recognize that the reason life is not getting better any particular individual nor are things getting better for the majority in the Dis-United States of America is because of the current massive transfer of wealth going on from the middle class to the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B]?

No amount of personal attacks are going to change that unless the Dis-United States of America begins to tax wealth. Make the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U] pay more than their fair share of taxes and restore a reasonable balance of the ownership of assets and wealth.

That is the United States of America that I grew up in. One where an enlisted man in the United States Military could buy a home with very little debt that allowed him to raise and protect his family.

Try using reason instead of showing you are intellectually bankrupt by engaging in [B]Ad Hominem[/B] attacks.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about immigrants. Some of our fellow posters don't realize that they're the United States' secret weapon. Without them, China will become world's number one economic and military power. With them, America can remain preeminent.

I disagree with your diagnosis and cure for inequality. The cause is globalization and technology, not evil Republicans. And globalization and technology have improved the lot of mankind, and America. Contrast the United States with the most successful, large European economies, being Germany, France and the UK. Median household income in the United States is roughly the same as the 70th percentile in those countries. Meaning your average Joe in the United States is as well off as someone who makes more than 70% of his countrymen in the big northern European countries. And that's after accounting for purchasing power, taxes, and transfer payments for medical care, education and the like.

There are only a handful of countries with wealth taxes. Many tried them and abandoned them, for good reasons.

We already have a wealth tax, a 40% to 75% tax (depending on the state) on whatever's left when a person dies. I personally think that's like theft. But if you take your position SubCmdr, wouldn't you rather have that than an annual wealth tax? People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk and the Koch brothers have created world beating corporations that employ lots of Americans and provide goods and services cheaply, some which we might not even have without them. You don't want to starve them of capital and demotivate them with wealth taxes while they're growing their businesses. Instead just steal if from their families when they die. Or better yet maybe they'll give most of what they've got away to charities to avoid handing it over to the government. And I can darn well guarantee whatever people like Gates and Buffet give way will do a lot more good than money spent by our profligate federal government.

As to the rich paying their fair share, the seminal OECD study on tax progressivity indicated that the USA had the most progressive tax system in the developed world, AFTER the Bush tax cuts. (They were later rescinded for upper income earners.) If you want a European welfare state, everybody's going to have to pay for it. The rich don't have enough money.

As to houses, they're affordable in most southern and midwestern red and purple states. A decent house costs maybe $300,000 and median household income is around $80,000. Yeah, there are a few exceptions like Montana and North Carolina, although the later is arguably purple. But people can still buy houses in the heartland. Interest rates are a concern. And they're higher than they should be because of a combined failure of Democrats (e. G. The inflation igniting American Rescue Plan), the Fed, and Trump and his tariffs.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3018919]The commentary coming from some blue state governors is hilarious. More Texas Democratic lawmakers fled to Illinois than any other state, to escape the wrath of the Texas Attorney General, and more importantly deprive Republican legislators of a quorum to redistrict. Here's what Illinois Governor J be Pritzker had to say: ""We passed a map in Illinois that follows the Constitution and that is not what Gov. Abbott is trying to do in Texas. " Then why is it that 44% of Illinois voters cast their ballots for Trump, while Republicans only got 18% of House seats? Well, according to Pritzker, it's because the Democratic Party is "good at delivering for the people of Illinois. " And what's good for the people of Illinois? Democratic control of the House of course! Congratulations Tooms, Pritzker's "ends justify the means" reasoning was the same as yours when I last brought to your attention that Democrats out-gerrymandered Republicans for over 60 years. If it's good for Democrats it's got to be good for America!

The hypocrisy coming from Michelle Luhan, governor of New Mexico, on Wolf Blitzer's show was even more extreme. She really bashed Republicans for cheating. Trump got 46% of the vote there, but there's no Republican in the House representing New Mexico. This is racist. It's discrimination against the rednecks who populate southern and eastern New Mexico. Did Blitzer question her about that? Of course not. Not on CNN.

Still, I suspect this was a stupid move by Trump. Now Illinois, California and other blue states are talking about redistricting too. While it may be difficult for them to pick up many seats given how heavily gerrymandered the states are already, this is just one more thing that Trump's done to rile up the Democrats. And riled up Democrats go to the voting booth.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Outlaw gerrymandering first. Then let's see how overall voting numbers compare with numbers of House seats.

Until then, it is no different from judging a wrestling match while either or both participants are hog-tied and just wiggling around the ring. It means and tells us practically nothing.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's establish the number of Senate seats to relate to the states' populations of living human being citizens and not to vast empty spaces or the number of rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds.

Then and only then will we get a clearer picture of what the majority of Americans want their votes to accomplish and who they want to make that happen.

[QUOTE]I agree with you about immigrants. Some of our fellow posters don't realize that they're the United States' secret weapon. Without them, China will become world's number one economic and military power. With them, America can remain preeminent.[/QUOTE][U]Of course I am right about immigration[/U]

I spent the most formative years of my life in California. One of the few states that could leave the United States of America and function completely as a independent county. I've always been interested in agriculture and California a country (excuse me) state with direct access to the sea and Mexico. California does not need the rest of the Dis-United States of America. They need California. The greatest politician that has ever held office in the Dis-United States of America was Arnold. You know what? You didn't hear that that male bovine excrement coming out the mouths of Republicans from him.

[B]Immigrants power the food production/processing industry in the Dis-United States of America[/B]

[QUOTE]I disagree with your diagnosis and cure for inequality. The cause is globalization and technology, not evil Republicans. And globalization and technology have improved the lot of mankind, and America. Contrast the United States with the most successful, large European economies, being Germany, France and the UK. Median household income in the United States is roughly the same as the 70th percentile in those countries. Meaning your average Joe in the United States is as well off as someone who makes more than 70% of his countrymen in the big northern European countries. And that's after accounting for purchasing power, taxes, and transfer payments for medical care, education and the like.[/QUOTE][U]I am not interested in surviving on crumbs dropped from the tables of the Rich and Super Rich[/U]

Most individuals do not understand economics or the economy. Income does not mean jack. That is why they tax it. [B]What is important is nice asses on girls. I mean assets[/B].

Wealth inequality is created by the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U] increasing owning a greater part of the wealth of the societies they live in. The poor have already been squeezed out. The government has been squeezed out. The middle class is next.

[QUOTE]There are only a handful of countries with wealth taxes. Many tried them and abandoned them, for good reasons.

We already have a wealth tax, a 40% to 75% tax (depending on the state) on whatever's left when a person dies. I personally think that's like theft. But if you take your position SubCmdr, wouldn't you rather have that than an annual wealth tax? People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk and the Koch brothers have created world beating corporations that employ lots of Americans and provide goods and services cheaply, some which we might not even have without them. You don't want to starve them of capital and demotivate them with wealth taxes while they're growing their businesses. Instead just steal if from their families when they die. Or better yet maybe they'll give most of what they've got away to charities to avoid handing it over to the government. And I can darn well guarantee whatever people like Gates and Buffet give way will do a lot more good than money spent by our profligate federal government.[/QUOTE][U]Tax Assets not Work[/U]

I call [B]male bovine excrement[/B] on the above paragraph.

First of all don't speak for me. I would prefer a annual tax on assets. We already have a system like that. It is call the property tax. I just sold a home in Texas because the property taxes got to be insane. So don't well me that a wealth tax will not work. It is MUCH better than a income tax. Because the [U]Rich and the Super Rich[/U] cannot avoid it. Just like with the houses of regular people if you don't pay your property taxes the government takes it from you.

Income taxes are theft. Inflation is theft. Devaluation of the currency is theft.

AI is going to get rid of a lot a jobs. Those jobs are not coming back. These benefits are going to accrue to the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U]. They should be taxed on the assets.

[QUOTE]As to houses, they're affordable in most southern and midwestern red and purple states. A decent house costs maybe $300,000 and median household income is around $80,000. Yeah, there are a few exceptions like Montana and North Carolina, although the later is arguably purple. But people can still buy houses in the heartland. Interest rates are a concern. And they're higher than they should be because of a combined failure of Democrats (e. G. The inflation igniting American Rescue Plan), the Fed, and Trump and his tariffs.[/QUOTE][U]Can middle class pay cash for a house?[/U]

No they can't.

[U]What is a mortgage?[/U]

Asking for permission from rich person to take on massive amounts of debt in order to pay to live in a house. It's no different from rent. Especially considering the amount of debt one must enter into in order to [I]buy and own[/I] a home.

[QUOTE]People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk and the Koch brothers[/QUOTE][B]Man fuck those greedy ass mother fuckers[/B]! Open your eyes and see them for what they are. They have build their entire empires on my taxes. On the infrastructure that my income taxes have paid over the years that have allowed these empires to be built.

[B]Tax Assets not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3018919]The commentary coming from some blue state governors is hilarious. More Texas Democratic lawmakers fled to Illinois than any other state, to escape the wrath of the Texas Attorney General, and more importantly deprive Republican legislators of a quorum to redistrict. Here's what Illinois Governor J be Pritzker had to say: ""We passed a map in Illinois that follows the Constitution and that is not what Gov. Abbott is trying to do in Texas. " Then why is it that 44% of Illinois voters cast their ballots for Trump, while Republicans only got 18% of House seats? Well, according to Pritzker, it's because the Democratic Party is "good at delivering for the people of Illinois. " And what's good for the people of Illinois? Democratic control of the House of course! Congratulations Tooms, Pritzker's "ends justify the means" reasoning was the same as yours when I last brought to your attention that Democrats out-gerrymandered Republicans for over 60 years. If it's good for Democrats it's got to be good for America!

The hypocrisy coming from Michelle Luhan, governor of New Mexico, on Wolf Blitzer's show was even more extreme. She really bashed Republicans for cheating. Trump got 46% of the vote there, but there's no Republican in the House representing New Mexico. This is racist. It's discrimination against the rednecks who populate southern and eastern New Mexico. Did Blitzer question her about that? Of course not. Not on CNN.

Still, I suspect this was a stupid move by Trump. Now Illinois, California and other blue states are talking about redistricting too. While it may be difficult for them to pick up many seats given how heavily gerrymandered the states are already, this is just one more thing that Trump's done to rile up the Democrats. And riled up Democrats go to the voting booth.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Regarding the table on your Brookings link, it is an interesting academic exercise to look at the Popular Vote across the land vs House Seats Won By The Party. But there are several reasons why it tells us virtually nothing of value about "fairness" or "the will of the people" in a world where extreme gerrymandering of districts by Party exists.

Here are some but probably not all of the reasons why:

1. The voters of the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party might not bother to vote because they know the incumbent or new candidate of the gerrymander-advantaged Party has a 99.99% chance of winning, so why bother.

- non votes are not counted on that table.

2. Many gerrymander-advantaged Party candidates run and win elections "unopposed" because everyone knows that candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for non-existant election opponents are not counted on that table.

3. Even if there is an opposing, gerrymander-disadvantaged Party candidate on the ballot just for the hell of it in order to have some name on there but that candidate has barely campaigned, if at all, few voters from the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party will run to the polls to vote for that candidate because everyone knows the gerrymander-advantaged Party candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

4. Even if there is a brilliant, capable, honorable and well-intentioned person of the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party in that heavily gerrymandered district, he or she probably already knows it would be a waste of their time and money to run against a gerrymander-advantaged Party candidate who has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for people who do not run for election are not counted on that table.

5. Campaign Donors are not likely to donate their time and money to back gerrymander-disadvantaged Party candidates only to waste their time and money on a candidate whose gerrymander-advantaged opponent Party candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for candidates who didn't run because nobody donated time or money to their candidacy are not counted in those tables.

Outlaw gerrymandering and then we can examine and discuss the meaning of Popular Vote vs House Seats Won By Party.

Until then, it means virtually nothing of value on the subject of fairness or democratic principles.

Overwhelmingly contrary to what that big, fat, orange MAGA Repub Liar Donald J. Trump has been lying about:

[QUOTE]The newly released statistics once again contradict President Donald Trump's claims that crime in the United States is out of control.

"You cant walk across the street to get a loaf of bread. You get shot, you get mugged, you get raped," Trump said last year at a campaign event north of Detroit.[/QUOTE][B]FBI crime report says violent crime decreased by 4.5% in 2024.
Violent crime is defined as murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
Aug. 6, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-crime-report-says-violent-crime-decreased-45-2024-rcna223201[/URL]

[QUOTE]Statistics released Tuesday by the FBI indicate that violent crime decreased overall in the United States by 4.5% last year.

The FBIs annual crime report is made up of data from over 16,000 agencies around the country, covering 95% of the U.S. population. Around 2% more agencies submitted crime data compared with the previous year. Notably, every city agency covering a population of 1 million or more submitted a full 12 months of data for the 2024 report.

According to the FBI, murder and nonnegligent manslaughter decreased an estimated 14.9%, robbery decreased an estimated 8.9% rape decreased an estimated 5.2%, and aggravated assault decreased an estimated 3.0%.

Property crime also decreased an estimated 8.1% from 2023 to 2024, and hate crimes decreased an estimated 1.5%, the report found.[/QUOTE]Thanks again, Joe. Thanks again, Kamala.

[U]Tax Assets not Work![/U]

[QUOTE][b]People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk and the Koch brothers[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018936][B]Man fuck those greedy ass mother fuckers[/B]! Open your eyes and see them for what they are. They have build their entire empires on my taxes. On the infrastructure that my income taxes have paid over the years that have allowed these empires to be built.[/QUOTE]These are the same mother fuckers that made the decision to sell out the middle class and working people by taking business overseas.

[QUOTE]I disagree with your diagnosis and cure for inequality. The cause is globalization and technology,[/QUOTE]Do you think this just fucking happened? No, the mother fucking captains industry that (by the way you nor I have NOTHING in common with) made those decisions. Now they are funding the far right to sow discord among the poor, middle class and regular hard working people to point fingers at each others over racism and claiming the immigration is the problem. Those born to privilege who look to the billionaires that look like them and think they have something in common with them are being sold a [I]pig in a poke[/I]. Whatever the fuck that means.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

If I own a house outright (no encumbrances) I have to pay taxes on the assessed value of that house in order to keep it. Remember this is my house. I am NOT using it to make income. Why in the fuck are they taxing the place where I live every mother fucking month?

If I own BTC, and it goes up in value I am not taxed on that increase in value until I sell it. If I need money I can borrow against it (a non taxable event). So, if I own enough assets it is possible that I NEVER have any income to tax. [B]Am I poor?[/B].

I buy a life insurance policy that pays my debts when I die. Then my heirs get the value of my BTC and I have NEVER paid tax on it.

[B]FUCK A HOUSE![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018928]Outlaw gerrymandering first. Then let's see how overall voting numbers compare with numbers of House seats.

Until then, it is no different from judging a wrestling match while either or both participants are hog-tied and just wiggling around the ring. It means and tells us practically nothing.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's establish the number of Senate seats to relate to the states' populations of living human being citizens and not to vast empty spaces or the number of rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds.

Then and only then will we get a clearer picture of what the majority of Americans want their votes to accomplish and who they want to make that happen.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018977]Regarding the table on your Brookings link, it is an interesting academic exercise to look at the Popular Vote across the land vs House Seats Won By The Party. But there are several reasons why it tells us virtually nothing of value about "fairness" or "the will of the people" in a world where extreme gerrymandering of districts by Party exists.

Here are some but probably not all of the reasons why:

1. The voters of the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party might not bother to vote because they know the incumbent or new candidate of the gerrymander-advantaged Party has a 99.99% chance of winning, so why bother.

- non votes are not counted on that table.

2. Many gerrymander-advantaged Party candidates run and win elections "unopposed" because everyone knows that candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for non-existant election opponents are not counted on that table.

3. Even if there is an opposing, gerrymander-disadvantaged Party candidate on the ballot just for the hell of it in order to have some name on there but that candidate has barely campaigned, if at all, few voters from the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party will run to the polls to vote for that candidate because everyone knows the gerrymander-advantaged Party candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

4. Even if there is a brilliant, capable, honorable and well-intentioned person of the gerrymander-disadvantaged Party in that heavily gerrymandered district, he or she probably already knows it would be a waste of their time and money to run against a gerrymander-advantaged Party candidate who has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for people who do not run for election are not counted on that table.

5. Campaign Donors are not likely to donate their time and money to back gerrymander-disadvantaged Party candidates only to waste their time and money on a candidate whose gerrymander-advantaged opponent Party candidate has a 99.99% chance of winning.

- non votes for candidates who didn't run because nobody donated time or money to their candidacy are not counted in those tables.

Outlaw gerrymandering and then we can examine and discuss the meaning of Popular Vote vs House Seats Won By Party.

Until then, it means virtually nothing of value on the subject of fairness or democratic principles.[/QUOTE]Actually those are good posts, applicable equally to Democrats and Republicans. Perhaps people could agree to use a nonpartisan algorithm to determine boundaries of Congressional districts. That would make sense IMHO.

My one point of difference with you would be the Senate. Maybe I'm biased, having spent the majority of my life in areas populated by rattlesnakes and tumble weeds. The Senate will have to stay as it is, because an amendment to the constitution that would apportion representation based on population will never pass muster. Please note that the structure of the Senate (two Senators per state) was a foundational step in the creation of the United States of America. Without it, the smaller states wouldn't have signed up.

I'm happy letting you have your way however if states that aren't happy with the change can secede. Imagine that! An oil and gas and agricultural superpower stretching from Calgary to Key West! While your proposal would disadvantage Texas, the Great State would undoubtedly join the others in leaving. And undoubtedly even more business and hard workers would flee California for the Lone Star State and shake off the shackles of Sacramento and Washington, D. C. !

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018936][U]Of course I am right about immigration[/U]

I spent the most formative years of my life in California. One of the few states that could leave the United States of America and function completely as a independent county. I've always been interested in agriculture and California a country (excuse me) state with direct access to the sea and Mexico. California does not need the rest of the Dis-United States of America. They need California. The greatest politician that has ever held office in the Dis-United States of America was Arnold. You know what? You didn't hear that that male bovine excrement coming out the mouths of Republicans from him.

[B]Immigrants power the food production/processing industry in the Dis-United States of America[/B]

[U]I am not interested in surviving on crumbs dropped from the tables of the Rich and Super Rich[/U]

Most individuals do not understand economics or the economy. Income does not mean jack. That is why they tax it. [B]What is important is nice asses on girls. I mean assets[/B].

Wealth inequality is created by the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U] increasing owning a greater part of the wealth of the societies they live in. The poor have already been squeezed out. The government has been squeezed out. The middle class is next.

[U]Tax Assets not Work[/U]

I call [B]male bovine excrement[/B] on the above paragraph.

First of all don't speak for me. I would prefer a annual tax on assets. We already have a system like that. It is call the property tax. I just sold a home in Texas because the property taxes got to be insane. So don't well me that a wealth tax will not work. It is MUCH better than a income tax. Because the [U]Rich and the Super Rich[/U] cannot avoid it. Just like with the houses of regular people if you don't pay your property taxes the government takes it from you.

Income taxes are theft. Inflation is theft. Devaluation of the currency is theft.

AI is going to get rid of a lot a jobs. Those jobs are not coming back. These benefits are going to accrue to the [U]Rich and Super Rich[/U]. They should be taxed on the assets.

[U]Can middle class pay cash for a house?[/U]

No they can't.

[U]What is a mortgage?[/U]

Asking for permission from rich person to take on massive amounts of debt in order to pay to live in a house. It's no different from rent. Especially considering the amount of debt one must enter into in order to [I]buy and own[/I] a home.

[B]Man fuck those greedy ass mother fuckers[/B]! Open your eyes and see them for what they are. They have build their entire empires on my taxes. On the infrastructure that my income taxes have paid over the years that have allowed these empires to be built.

[B]Tax Assets not Work![/B][/QUOTE]I don't know much about Arnold but believe he did well. He was a uniter, not a divider. He would have probably done better as president than any of the bozos after Clinton, although of course he couldn't run being born in Austria.

I also agree with you completely about nice asses on girls.

And please SubCmdr, by the standards of most in the world, you ARE rich. Hell, in Thailand and the Dominican Republic, you're super rich. Please stop beating up on yourself. Self immolation doesn't become you.

Actually, I don't have a problem with the property tax. Part of the reason is that it's levied by the states and localities. My city and state are good stewards of the taxpayers' dollars. They don't flush money down the toilet like the bozos in Washington. Second, it's not that cumbersome, for me at least. Unlike with a wealth tax, I don't have to come up with a value for my assets every year and suffer civil and possibly even criminal penalties if I fuck up. Instead the local appraisal districts have a systematic method of estimating value, so I don't have to do jack. Thirdly, I think taxing, say, $5 million houses is better than taxing capital that produces jobs, like investments in financial assets. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with having an element of progressivity and taxing high dollar houses at higher levels than other real property.

The top 1% pay about 40% of the income tax. And when you include the sales tax, the property tax, the net investment income tax, and, per the OECD's convention, the employee's part of social security and Medicare, the rich still pay more than their fair share.

You need to look at this from the bottom up instead of the top down. A big part of the problem is that a majority of Americans live hand to mouth. They don't save and invest. They're not like you and me, or Elvis, Axel and Tooms for that matter, who scrimp and save and think about the future.

The solution? IMO transition to something like Singapore's Central Provident Fund or Australia's Superannuation scheme. Get employers and employees to contribute a lot more than they do now to retirement. Make people owners of their own investment accounts. And yes, have some kind of safety net to pay for medical expenses and social security for those who slip through the cracks. I call this The Tiny Plan. Make people owners!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018743]

Did you want president Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?

[B]Putin:[/B]

Yes, I did.

Yes, I did.[/QUOTE]Seeing as how you believe every word Putin says.

[URL]https://time.com/4617360/vladimir-putin-russian-involvement-u-s-election/[/URL]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday dismissed accusations that Russia tried to influence the USA Presidential election as sour grapes from the Democratic Party.

"The party that loses always tries to pass the buck and find the culprits somewhere else. They'the better look at themselves," Putin said at his annual news conference on Friday, according to a translation by NBC News.

So given that Putin always tells the truth and he denied that Russiagate happened, we need to look at who came up with this scheme and jail them.

[I][b]The top 1% of wealth owners in the United States hold a significant and growing share of the nation's total wealth[/b]. As of 2024, this group owned approximately 30.8% of the country's wealth, amounting to about $49.2 trillion. This represents an increase from 22.8% in 1989, highlighting a long-term trend of rising wealth concentration at the very top.*The top 1% includes*households with a net worth of at least $32 million, with the average wealth in this group estimated at $33.4 million in 2023.
Within this top percentile, wealth is further concentrated: the top 0.1%a much smaller group held 13.8% of total U.S. net worth in 2024, meaning they own nearly half of the wealth held by the entire top 1%. The remaining 0.9% of the top percentile held 17% of the nations total wealth.
Over recent decades, gains in wealth have been disproportionately captured by the top 1%. From 1989 to 2022, the share of national wealth held by the top 1% increased from 23% to 27% according to the Congressional Budget Office, with more recent data suggesting it has plateaued near 30%. In contrast, the bottom 50% of households held just 2.6% to 2.8% of total wealth as of 2024, down from 3.5% in 1989.
[b]Top 1% Households[/b]: Approximately 1.3 million families owning about one-third of U.S. wealth, or $49 trillion as of 2024
[b]Top 0.1% Households[/b]: Around 136,000 families who hold nearly half of the top 1%s wealth, accounting for 13.8% of national net worth
Ultra-High-Net-Worth Individuals: Often included in the top 0.1%, these individuals drive much of the wealth growth within the top tier through ownership of corporate stock and financial assets
[b]Millionaires[/b]: While not all millionaires are in the top 1%, the threshold to enter this group is significantly higher than $1 million, typically exceeding $32 million in net worth
[b]Billionaires[/b]: A subset of the top 0.1%, 735 billionaires collectively held $4.5 trillion in 2022, more than the bottom 50% of U.S. households combined - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

[I][u]The top 1% of wealth owners in [b]Thailand[/b][/u]
They hold a significant portion of the nation's wealth, with estimates indicating they control approximately 67% of the total wealth. This elite group also accounts for about 21% of the country's annual national income. Wealth concentration in Thailand is notably high, surpassing levels seen in major economies like Russia and India. The top 10% of earners collectively hold 85.7% of the nations wealth, while the bottom half of the population holds just 1.7%. - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

[I][u]The top 1% of wealth holders in the [b]Dominican Republic[/b][/u]
They hold a significant and disproportionate share of the nation's income, reflecting a high level of economic inequality. In 2022, the top 1% of earners received 30.5% of the gross national income, a figure that exceeds that of Mexico, Chile, and Brazil by 2 to 5 percentage points.
This concentration of wealth is part of a broader pattern where the top 10% of the population receives more than half of the national income, specifically 55% according to a 2023 report, while the bottom 10% receive less than 1%. - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

The 2022 data also shows that the richest 20% of the population held 44% of the income, a decrease from previous years but still indicating substantial concentration.

[QUOTE]And please SubCmdr, by the standards of most in the world, you ARE rich. Hell, in Thailand and the Dominican Republic, you're super rich.[/QUOTE]The name of this thread is [B]American Politics[/B]. All are welcome to review the information I have provided above. Then when any of you are ready to have a serious discussion, instead of off the cuff opinions, back them up with some facts please.

[B]Tax wealth not work![/B]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019083]It looks we have a new admin. Gee, I wonder what his political leanings are. That is a Scooby Doo mystery for sure.

And yes, Spidy, that is your cue to come in and do you another one of your specialties, admin ass kissing.

Or better yet, I will just imitate you. "I do not see what your problem is Elvis. I think the admins do a great job here, and they are paid nothing. ".

The problem is I know what I wrote and it was about politics not someone else's dick.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5abU03jPWU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Ljd7mcbMQ[/URL]

Please opine!!

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/06/trump-and-apple-ceo-tim-cook-announce-600-billion-total-investment-in-america/[/URL]

LONG LIVE MAGA!!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019086]Seeing as how you believe every word Putin says.

[URL]https://time.com/4617360/vladimir-putin-russian-involvement-u-s-election/[/URL]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday dismissed accusations that Russia tried to influence the USA Presidential election as sour grapes from the Democratic Party.

"The party that loses always tries to pass the buck and find the culprits somewhere else. They'the better look at themselves," Putin said at his annual news conference on Friday, according to a translation by NBC News.

So given that Putin always tells the truth and he denied that Russiagate happened, we need to look at who came up with this scheme and jail them.[/QUOTE]I read those quotes in links like that when Putin originally said them back in 2016.

Not one word of it is a denial, contradiction of what he said in Helsinki or what the CIA, the Dems and the Repubs in their own investigations have been saying about it from the beginning.

Not. One. Word.

Please pass this link along to Matt, too. Assuming he can read and comprehend basic English, it should go a long way to refuting his numbskull pitch for other numbskulls after all these years.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019093][I][b]The top 1% of wealth owners in the United States hold a significant and growing share of the nation's total wealth[/b]. As of 2024, this group owned approximately 30.8% of the country's wealth, amounting to about $49.2 trillion. This represents an increase from 22.8% in 1989, highlighting a long-term trend of rising wealth concentration at the very top.*The top 1% includes*households with a net worth of at least $32 million, with the average wealth in this group estimated at $33.4 million in 2023.
Within this top percentile, wealth is further concentrated: the top 0.1%a much smaller group held 13.8% of total U.S. net worth in 2024, meaning they own nearly half of the wealth held by the entire top 1%. The remaining 0.9% of the top percentile held 17% of the nations total wealth.
Over recent decades, gains in wealth have been disproportionately captured by the top 1%. From 1989 to 2022, the share of national wealth held by the top 1% increased from 23% to 27% according to the Congressional Budget Office, with more recent data suggesting it has plateaued near 30%. In contrast, the bottom 50% of households held just 2.6% to 2.8% of total wealth as of 2024, down from 3.5% in 1989.
[b]Top 1% Households[/b]: Approximately 1.3 million families owning about one-third of U.S. wealth, or $49 trillion as of 2024
[b]Top 0.1% Households[/b]: Around 136,000 families who hold nearly half of the top 1%s wealth, accounting for 13.8% of national net worth
Ultra-High-Net-Worth Individuals: Often included in the top 0.1%, these individuals drive much of the wealth growth within the top tier through ownership of corporate stock and financial assets
[b]Millionaires[/b]: While not all millionaires are in the top 1%, the threshold to enter this group is significantly higher than $1 million, typically exceeding $32 million in net worth
[b]Billionaires[/b]: A subset of the top 0.1%, 735 billionaires collectively held $4.5 trillion in 2022, more than the bottom 50% of U.S. households combined - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

[I][u]The top 1% of wealth owners in [b]Thailand[/b][/u]
They hold a significant portion of the nation's wealth, with estimates indicating they control approximately 67% of the total wealth. This elite group also accounts for about 21% of the country's annual national income. Wealth concentration in Thailand is notably high, surpassing levels seen in major economies like Russia and India. The top 10% of earners collectively hold 85.7% of the nations wealth, while the bottom half of the population holds just 1.7%. - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

[I][u]The top 1% of wealth holders in the [b]Dominican Republic[/b][/u]
They hold a significant and disproportionate share of the nation's income, reflecting a high level of economic inequality. In 2022, the top 1% of earners received 30.5% of the gross national income, a figure that exceeds that of Mexico, Chile, and Brazil by 2 to 5 percentage points.
This concentration of wealth is part of a broader pattern where the top 10% of the population receives more than half of the national income, specifically 55% according to a 2023 report, while the bottom 10% receive less than 1%. - [b]Brave AI[/b][/I]

The 2022 data also shows that the richest 20% of the population held 44% of the income, a decrease from previous years but still indicating substantial concentration.

The name of this thread is [B]American Politics[/B]. All are welcome to review the information I have provided above. Then when any of you are ready to have a serious discussion, instead of off the cuff opinions, back them up with some facts please.

[B]Tax wealth not work![/B][/QUOTE]I figure you're worth at least $1 million, and that's probably an insult because it's probably a lot higher. According to ChatGPT, a person with $1 million is in the top 0. 12% of adults in Thailand and 0. 14% in the Dominican Republic. I bet you're in the top 0. 05%. There you go, you're super rich. And presumably the Thais and Dominicanos are smart enough not to tax your wealth away. Unlike Bernie Sanders who wants to tax the billionaire class 8% of their net worth every year. Do that and see how many more world beating businesses like Microsoft, Google and Walmart the USA produces. The billionaire class pays a lot more tax than its fair share. You and I are freeloaders compared to them. They're the job creators. I'd damn sure leave if I were one of them and had to pay a Sanders wealth tax.

[QUOTE=Allover;3018176]I'm not in Thailand you dumb motherfucker. [b]I'm having sex with girls that wouldn't appeal to you because you are such a cheapass bit*ch.[/b] I swear I didn't mean to pee on your face. But I did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3014074]I heard SUB violated Parole and has to serve out the rest of his sentence. 22 years. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3012164]I've come to the conclusion that a night out for Stubby is alternating between joining 4 or 5 south central Asian bros in propositioning Pattaya Beach Road lovlies so he can get off for 1/5 the 1000 baht service fee. For those interested in really knowing how Studdy rolls. I particularly found Stubby's deluxe ocean front blanket accommodations interesting. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007214]They don't have a poverty mindset of saving bucks like the cheap ass subcmdr.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007444]The quality of the prostitutes you hire in Bkk is pure trash out of a garbbage bin dumb motherfuck. Lolita's is supposed to be filled with quality staff? Exactly the same case than when you're in Pattaya, [b]you go to the bottom of the barrel because you can't afford any better[/b]. Sub is rolling like an asshole motherfuck with his 10 twenty baht notes. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007217]I'm really not surprised a cheapos like yourself is satisfied fishing in this kind of pond.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3007181]1,000 baht girls are Bottom of the ugly barrel. Why does he deny it. [b]I think he Broke[/b].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007044]Mother fuck everybody knows the look of the girls you fuck and [b]everybody knows the reason you go in these shitholes is because of your lack of bucks.[/b][/QUOTE]You know I am posted up in Thailand currently. Several other ISG members that post in the Thailand Forum would be surprised at your assessment of my wealth.

In Thailand, I do not OWN any assets nor have any wealth. The only thing I own there are my personal possessions and a EV Motor Scooter. My current fixed expenses are about 2. 5 times the monthly minimum wage of a Thai Worker. So, if I am a millionaire, it certainly doesn't feel like it.

[QUOTE]FUCK that isnt true. When I first got here I had some money laying around so I bought some rooms. I rent them to Thai people.[/QUOTE]I supposed the King does not tax me because he is happy I am spending the money I do in his kingdom and I am providing housing. Seems like that is enough for him.

Whereas the mother fucking USAGOV taxes me on my worldwide income even though I present ZERO tax burden to my country of origin. Nothing is ever enough for the Republican mother fuckers who want to put every immigrant out of the country and send all people of color person in the US back to the plantation (the new term is [I]working on the farm[/I]). The assets that I own in the US cannot be moved. That is why I pay a wealth tax on them. It is called property tax. The same concept can be set up for all assets.

BTW, [B]if you wanted a truly fair income tax system it would be a flat tax: 20%. On ALL NET income. No exceptions[/B]. You make a 10,000 you pay 2000, you make 100,000 you pay 20,000. You make 1,000,000 you pay 200,000. In my opinion that is fair.

[B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] people don't have their assets in a suitcase that they just grab and get on a plane when the government wants to tax them. That is why they spend so much money influencing tax policy in their countries. They have convinced people that they should not be taxed on their wealth. But this is incorrect. If the current wealth transfer continues to be allowed, the passive income earned from the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] will allow them to continue to purchase the assets of the middle class and drain their wealth over time. That will lead to decreased living standards and increase in people living in abject policy like this [I]poor black man[/I] who is just trying to make in a white world.

[B]Tax wealth not work![/B]

There is apparently no limit to the amount of treason Trump and his Administration will commit on behalf of Russia Russia Russia as eternal thanks for Putin's proven meddling and interference into the election to help Trump win so he can do everything in his power to fuck up the USA Economy and National Security in his mission to con and fleece MAGA suckers out of their money:

[B]Tulsi Gabbard declassified documents over CIA objections, sources say.
Aug. 7, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tulsi-gabbard-declassified-documents-over-003144840.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard decided to declassify a document on Russias interference in the 2016 election last month over the objections of CIA officials who argued that more details should remain secret to protect sensitive spying sources and methods, according to two sources with knowledge of the matter.
..........
Some former intelligence officers said they were alarmed at the detail revealed in the declassified document.
..........
The declassified version of the report included relatively few redactions, and it included references to eavesdropping and an established clandestine human source with insights into Russian President Vladimir Putins view of the U.S. presidential contest.

Michael Van Landingham, a former CIA analyst who helped write the 2017 intelligence community assessment, said he was taken aback at the detail exposed in the declassified document.
..........
"I was shocked to see the declassification detailing the dates the US IC, intelligence community, gathered material, naming specific Russian actors, and quoting at length from both raw and serialized intelligence reports of Russian leadership discussions, he told NBC News. [B]This sort of information would allow for Russian authorities to easily find potential sources of the leaks, which would complicate the job of the US IC keeping America safe.[/b]

Van Landingham said that when he was working as an analyst examining the same material about Russias election meddling in 2016, he was subject to a polygraph test and was allowed to read the information in hard copy only after he signed his name to request it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019112]Not one word of it is a denial, contradiction of what he said in Helsinki or what the CIA, the Dems and the Repubs in their own investigations have been saying about it from the beginning.

Not. One. Word.[/QUOTE]The fallacy of presupposition demonstrated perfectly. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? No, but he did not deny it. So Putin rigged the election. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? If he says yes, so it must have happened.

And if Putin flat out denies that he rigged the election, and he has, "Well, Putin is a known liar. "

So no matter how he answers the question, Putin must have rigged the election.

This is the mindset of a Democratic.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019086]Seeing as how you believe every word Putin says.

[URL]https://time.com/4617360/vladimir-putin-russian-involvement-u-s-election/[/URL]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday dismissed accusations that Russia tried to influence the USA Presidential election as sour grapes from the Democratic Party.

"The party that loses always tries to pass the buck and find the culprits somewhere else. They'the better look at themselves," Putin said at his annual news conference on Friday, according to a translation by NBC News.

So given that Putin always tells the truth and he denied that Russiagate happened, we need to look at who came up with this scheme and jail them.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2025/08/07/trump-wants-to-exclude-illegal-migrants-from-next-census/[/URL]

There might not be any more sanctuary cities. ROTFLMMFAO.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3018660]And who is against hydroelectric power? If only Nepal were different in some way than other countries. So yeah, that makes sense, built hydroelectric plants, and buy cars from China that is willing willing to sell vehicles for less than what it costs them to make.

But this anecdote is meaningless when you look at Europe and the USA with a domestic car industry and cannot provide all their power via hydroelectricity. Nice try though![/QUOTE]Yeah, because the NYT, writes about meaningless stories, all the time...right!

Meaningless...hardly! If you take a deeper dive and think past your right-wing cynicism, when it comes to the world's countries transitioning to electrostates, you'll find that, Nepal serves as GREAT example, in the move from fossil fuel dependency, [i][b]to energy security, energy independence[/b][/i] and [i][b]geo-eco-political stability,[/b][/i] with a strong conviction to their crisis driven administrative policies.

Just take other [u]countries with a heavy hydro energy mix, like Brazil (83% hydro) and Canada (60%),[/u] both have less than 5% and 3.4% EV penetration, respectively. Perhaps because they lack a
conviction like a "Nepal's crisis driven" type emergency? ...where India's 2015 fuel blockade and embargo, caused months of fuel shortages, exposing Nepal's vulnerability to fossil fuel imports.

[b]First, [/b]Nepal's success is a blueprint, for the larger The Global South's emancipation from the yoke of petrostates. And...

[b]Second point being,[/b] why wait until the old-guard "petrostate regimes" and dumbass "Trump TACO Tariffs", hold your country (or energy security) hostage, over the whims of MAGA "jacked-up tariff" despots, dictators and autocrats.

The Global South (one country at a time), is figuring out, the freedoms and advantages of an electrostate.

I suppose we should have been happy that most Repubs in the federal government only constantly voted to Defund The Police.

Now the most iconic Classic Repub of all time, Donald J. Trump, has rewarded a member of his violent, cop-killing mob of America-hating Insurrectionists with a pardon and a position in his Justce Department as his reward for calling for that mob to kill more cops:

[B]He told Jan 6 rioters to kill cops. After Trumps pardon, he got hired at the Justice Department.
Administration officials call Jared Wise a valued member at the nations top law enforcement agency after avoiding trial on riot charges.
Aug. 7, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-wise-jan-6-justice-department-b2803755.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Jared Lane Wise was scheduled to go to trial 10 days before Donald Trump returned to the White House.

Wise admitted to urging rioters to kill law enforcement at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 and faced six counts in connection with the riots.
..........
Wise was pardoned by the president on his first day in office, along with nearly every rioter charged in connection with the assault.

[B]Now, he is working as a senior adviser in the Department of Justice[/b], NPR has learned.

"Jared Wise is a valued member of the Department of Justice and we appreciate his contributions to our team, according to a DOJ statement shared with The Independent by the White House.

According to surveillance footage shared in court documents, Wise joined a mob that broke into the Capitol, and clapped his hands and raised his arms in triumph as he walked into the Senate wing. Two hours later, he clashed with police officers outside the building.
...........
As a group of rioters pushed against police and knocked at least one officer to the ground, [b]Wise turned towards the violence and shouted f*** them and kill em, according to court filings.

Kill em! Kill em! Kill em! he shouted.[/b][/QUOTE]Luckily, Trump's violent, cop-killing mob of America-hating Insurrectionists did not manage to kill as many cops as they clearly wanted to kill and that they are seen on video even more clearly trying very, very hard to kill, thanks only to the fact that the cops were wearing enough body armor and helmets to prevent their Repub intended killers from doing so.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019114]I figure you're worth at least $1 million, and that's probably an insult because it's probably a lot higher. According to ChatGPT, a person with $1 million is in the top 0. 12% of adults in Thailand and 0. 14% in the Dominican Republic. I bet you're in the top 0. 05%. There you go, you're super rich. And presumably the Thais and Dominicanos are smart enough not to tax your wealth away. Unlike Bernie Sanders who wants to tax the billionaire class 8% of their net worth every year. Do that and see how many more world beating businesses like Microsoft, Google and Walmart the USA produces. The billionaire class pays a lot more tax than its fair share. You and I are freeloaders compared to them. They're the job creators. I'd damn sure leave if I were one of them and had to pay a Sanders wealth tax.[/QUOTE]I'm sure glad Americans are wise enough to reject you and Chase the Guns ridiculous vile policies!!

He rec'd 0. 4 fucking % I'm guessing he was overachieving at that lololol.

BTW I heard there's a special room in HELL for ALL Libertarians.

I hope you like the heat.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019228]The fallacy of presupposition demonstrated perfectly. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? No, but he did not deny it. So Putin rigged the election. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? If he says yes, so it must have happened.

And if Putin flat out denies that he rigged the election, and he has, "Well, Putin is a known liar. "

So no matter how he answers the question, Putin must have rigged the election.

This is the mindset of a Democratic.[/QUOTE]Yes because they are so stoopid and delusional they even refuse to accept that the American electorate preferred Our Lord and Savior 3 fucking elections in a row.

Over their Scumbag nominees.

Self awareness and integrity are anathematic to everything they say and do, just look around here.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019228]The fallacy of presupposition demonstrated perfectly. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? No, but he did not deny it. So Putin rigged the election. Did Putin say that he rigged the election? If he says yes, so it must have happened.

And if Putin flat out denies that he rigged the election, and he has, "Well, Putin is a known liar. "

So no matter how he answers the question, Putin must have rigged the election.

This is the mindset of a Democratic.[/QUOTE]LOL. You thought some dummies would read your set up and spin on that link, read the link and then stupidly conclude Putin denied he wanted Trump to win the election and denied that he directed officials to help make that happen, didn't you?

But your little plan failed.

'Fess up; when YOU first read the report in that link, YOU were one of those dummies, right?

Lolol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018733]Trump's stupidity and the greater stupidity of his Repub MAGA Cult Followers knows no bounds! LOL.

Trump keeps lying about how that evil BLS Commisioner put out a glowing jobs creation report "just days before the election" and then revised it down by "900,000 or a million jobs" after the election, thereby showing unmistakable bias for Biden-Harris and "rigging" it against that poor, poor multi-millionaire-born Trust Fund Baby Trump who has been carried like so much limp baggage from one advantage to another since birth all the while whining, crying and whimpering like a little girl about how everything is "rigged" against him.

We already know the downward revision that Trump was probably referring to and lying about, by 818,000 jobs, was reported in August 2024, months before the election, not after the election, and in plenty of time to help Trump and harm Harris in the November 5th election, not the other way around.

But more about that BLS report that Trump lied about being so glowing and helpful to Harris "just days before the election".

Uh.

The Real World timeline. Please note the date:

[B]U.S. economy added just 12,000 jobs in October, impacted by hurricanes, Boeing strike.
November 1, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/us-jobs-report-october-2024.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Oh, to be sure, there WAS a BLS revision to that month's numbers after the election.

Again, please note the date;.

[B]January 2025 Jobs Report.[/B]

[URL]https://www.staffingindustry.com/research/research-reports/americas/january-2025-jobs-report[/URL]

The so-called president of the United States of America just fired a BLS Commisioner based on his provable lie and on his unfounded "opinion" that the numbers were "rigged" to make him look bad.

Of all the utterly chaotic incoherent shit-storms that Trump and his MAGAs have plunged America and the rest of the World into, this particular firing of that woman for that made-up reason based on an obvious and provable lie might well turn out to produce the most lingering damage.

Nobody on the planet has any reason to believe any "good" economic numbers coming out of this administration or any other agency as long as Trump is in control. If there is another revision that shows "good" numbers for July, no one will believe it nor should anyone believe it nor should anyone move forward on an economic plan or business based on any "good" numbers that are reported by this administration.

That line has been crossed and we can never go back until Trump and everyone in his administration are gone and forgotten.[/QUOTE]Opinion.

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Trump's Trade Representative: Why We Remade the Global Order.

Aug. 7, 2025.

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By Jamieson Greer.

Ambassador Greer is the USA Trade representative.

It must be an unwritten rule that international economic orders emerge at stately hotels. In 1944, as World War II raged, Allied representatives gathered at a picturesque New Hampshire resort named Bretton Woods to discuss how to establish a postwar economic order to restore the sensible flow of trade in a fractured world.

Although the resulting Bretton Woods system ended in 1976, its legacy lives on. Our current, nameless global order, which is dominated by the World Trade Organization and is notionally designed to pursue economic efficiency and regulate the trade policies of its 166 member countries, is untenable and unsustainable. The United States has paid for the system with the loss of industrial jobs and economic security, other countries have been unable to make needed reforms, and the biggest winner has been China, with its state-owned enterprises and five-year plans. Unsurprisingly, the past decade has seen significant international and bipartisan American frustration at the system's failure to adapt to meet the essential interests of sovereign nations.

Now, reform is at hand. Last week at his Turnberry resort on the Scottish coast, President Trump and the European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, concluded a historic agreement — one that is fair, balanced and oriented toward serving concrete national interests rather than vague aspirations of multilateral institutions. Indeed, by using a mix of tariffs and deals for foreign market access and investment, the United States has laid the foundation for a new global trading order.

The previous system rejected tariffs as a legitimate tool of public policy, meaning that the United States sacrificed tariff protection for critical manufacturing and other sectors. Over the past three decades, the United States slashed barriers to our market to allow vast inflows of foreign goods, services, labor and capital. At the same time, other countries kept their markets closed to our goods and deployed a suite of policies — such as subsidies, wage suppression, lax labor and environmental standards, regulatory distortions and currency manipulation — to artificially boost exports to the United States. This approach made the United States and a handful of other economies the consumers of last resort for countries pursuing beggar-thy-neighbor economic policies.

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Our trading partners were adept at this game, and elites on Wall Street and in Washington were all too happy to cash in on the global arbitrage by moving production abroad. The net result? The bulk of global manufacturing shifted to jurisdictions such as China, Vietnam and Mexico where companies could exploit vulnerable workers or benefit from expansive state support while the United States ran up what in absolute terms is the highest trade deficit in the history of the world. This led to extensive and well-documented losses in USA Industrial capacity and employment as well as reliance on our adversaries for critical supply chains.

We subordinated our country's economic and national security imperatives to a lowest common denominator of global consensus. This approach harmed American workers, their families and communities by undermining a manufacturing sector that creates high-wage jobs, fosters innovation and catalyzes investment across the economy.

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What began at Bretton Woods as a necessary effort to rebuild a global trade system shattered by war evolved, over nine rounds of trade negotiations, into something unrecognizable. The measured guidelines for commerce developed in the Kennedy and Tokyo Rounds gave way to our recent experiment in global hyper-integration, embodied in the Uruguay Round, which concluded in 1994 and established the W. T. O.

We are now witnessing the Trump Round. On April 2, President Trump announced tariffs to address the national emergency posed by the trade deficit. The intense bilateral negotiations that followed were held in diverse locations across the world: Washington, Geneva, Jeju Island, Paris, London, Stockholm and, of course, Turnberry. Our trading partners had never before shown such interest in opening their markets to the United States, aligning on matters of economic and national security, and rebalancing trade in a more sustainable direction. In a few short months, the United States secured more foreign market access than it had in years of fruitless W. T. O negotiations.

Reversing decades of harmful policy that weakened our manufacturing capacity and work force will take time and coordinated effort across the public and private sectors. But keeping the status quo would only accelerate the dangerous trajectory of deindustrialization. We require a generational project to re-industrialize America, and time is short.

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When I joined a critical mass of my fellow trade ministers in June at a meeting of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in Paris, I was struck by how many voiced serious concerns about the danger of macroeconomic imbalances, the threat of nonmarket practices and the sclerotic state of the global trading system — the same issues President Trump has raised for years and now taken emergency action to address. What was long dismissed as heresy by the free-trade fundamentalists in Brussels, Geneva and Washington is now becoming conventional wisdom.

In announcing the USA -European Union deal last week, President von der Leyen echoed the call to refashion global trade to adapt to economic and political realities. She explained to reporters that the trans-Atlantic economic relationship needed "rebalancing" to ensure that it could be "more sustainable. " Such recognition is reinforced by additional deals with Britain, Cambodia, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam, which make up almost 40 percent of USA Trade, according to my office's figures. Other countries with large trade surpluses with the United States are subject to generally higher tariffs. The new economic order, solidified at Turnberry, is emerging in real time.

The results are astounding. Every year for 40 years, the Office of the USA Trade Representative has produced a detailed report called the National Trade Estimate chronicling various barriers faced by USA Companies, including high tariffs, requirements to produce goods in the countries where the companies want to do business, and restrictions on agricultural products contrary to scientific consensus. In the past, the only significant way the United States could remove these barriers (if at all) was by giving away the tariffs defending our manufacturing sector. President Trump has flipped the script on this: Now, we are systematically eliminating these barriers abroad while ensuring sufficient tariff protection at home.

Indonesia is lowering 99.3 percent of its tariffs on imports from the United States and eliminating a slew of longstanding non-tariff barriers, while accepting a 19 percent tariff on exports to the United States. South Korea is accepting USA Auto standards along with a 15 percent tariff. Vietnam pledged to lower all of its tariffs and barriers in exchange for a 20 percent rate. Most countries we are negotiating with have also agreed to cooperate on economic security to ensure the safety and reliability of our critical supply chains.

Countries are also committing to upgrade and better enforce their labor standards, tackling arbitrages that have put American workers and producers at a disadvantage. Multiple countries will join the United States (along with the E. You. , Mexico and Canada) in banning the importation of goods made with forced labor. Eliminating global slavery was a longstanding goal of advocates and policymakers, but it was the leverage of President Trump's tariffs that finally made it possible to unlock meaningful progress.

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Similarly, countries are agreeing to improve resource efficiency and enforcement of environmental laws, including in the most problematic sectors, such as illegal logging, illegal fishing and the illegal wildlife trade. The international trade system should not force Americans to compete with those who use our responsible capitalism against us as a competitive advantage.

Importantly, these commitments are actionable, and the United States will enforce them. Rather than the drawn-out dispute settlement process favored by the old guard of trade bureaucrats, the new USA Approach is to closely monitor implementation of the deals and swiftly reimpose a higher tariff rate for noncompliance if needed. President Trump uniquely recognizes that the privilege of selling into the world's most lucrative consumer market is a mighty carrot. And a tariff is a formidable stick.

At the World Trade Organization, enacting changes to trade rules requires total consensus among nations. In fact, the last attempt at serious reform, known as the Doha Round, failed because protectionist nations refused to take down their trade barriers to the United States. Moreover, our adversaries relish blocking reform. They prefer a status quo that feeds an exploding USA Trade deficit, sapping this nation of the industrial might that made it, and keeps it, a superpower.

But the rules of international trade cannot be a suicide pact. By imposing tariffs to rebalance the trade deficit and negotiating significant reforms that form the basis of a new international system, the United States has shown bold leadership to address what policymakers long considered intractable problems.

Many of these deals also come with significant investment commitments into USA Productive capacity, such as $600 billion in the case of the European Union and $350 billion by South Korea. These investments — 10 times larger than the inflation-adjusted value of the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War II — will accelerate USA Reindustrialization. South Korea will help reinvigorate the American shipbuilding industry, which has atrophied in the face of nonmarket competition. These types of investments are on top of purchase commitments that cumulatively account for almost $1 trillion of American energy, agriculture, defense and industrial products. This demand for American goods and ready access to capital will allow American manufacturing to reassert leadership across strategic sectors where we have fallen behind.

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Skeptics point out that tariffs, although once a fixture of American economic policy, have not been used this extensively for generations. But we now have data showing that the failure to use tariffs or similar protections created an economy that was heavy on finance and consulting fees and low on the lasting wealth and security that come from making things. Even among those who agree with that diagnosis, some say the president's remedy is too strong or was administered too hastily, or that the tariffs will be too disruptive in the short term. This is not the time to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This is an emergency. We know what the problem is and we know how to address it. There is no time to waste.

President Trump has already shown that he can implement tariffs and other economic tools to reshape supply chains and reinvigorate manufacturing. When he deployed sweeping tariffs in his first term, not only did the sky not fall as pundits predicted, but inflation actually went down. And now that he is imposing tariffs even more broadly, inflation remains in check. A long-term problem won't be fixed overnight, and the process may not always be smooth, but the situation demands strong and resolute action to strengthen the USA Industrial base.

It took over 50 years from that first meeting at Bretton Woods until the creation of the W. T. O. It has been 30 years since. Fewer than 130 days from the beginning of the Trump Round, the Turnberry system is by no means complete, but its construction is well underway.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019076]Actually those are good posts, applicable equally to Democrats and Republicans. Perhaps people could agree to use a nonpartisan algorithm to determine boundaries of Congressional districts. That would make sense IMHO.

[B]My one point of difference with you would be the Senate. Maybe I'm biased, having spent the majority of my life in areas populated by rattlesnakes and tumble weeds. The Senate will have to stay as it is, because an amendment to the constitution that would apportion representation based on population will never pass muster. Please note that the structure of the Senate (two Senators per state) was a foundational step in the creation of the United States of America. Without it, the smaller states wouldn't have signed up.[/b]

I'm happy letting you have your way however if states that aren't happy with the change can secede. Imagine that! An oil and gas and agricultural superpower stretching from Calgary to Key West! While your proposal would disadvantage Texas, the Great State would undoubtedly join the others in leaving. And undoubtedly even more business and hard workers would flee California for the Lone Star State and shake off the shackles of Sacramento and Washington, D. C. ![/QUOTE]Ok, let's stipulate that was a useful idea back then. But this is now.

By now every state in the union except a couple has had the same 100-250 years to get its shit together enough to make a case for why it deserves even 1 Senate seat rather than to share 1 with a neighboring desolate state, much less 2 and even more less as many as real states where American citizen human beings actually want to live.

And many of those Red States on the Eastern half of the USA have had longer to get their shit together on that point than Blue States on the Western half.

Time's up! Please replace the cap on your pen, turn over your test paper and pass it forward!

If by now those states are still so much vast wasteland, cactus, rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds that the number of people who want to live there doesn't even exceed the number of people living within 4 square blocks of my Southern California rental property then obviously they and whoever the fuck it is they elect to run the place doesn't deserve more than a fraction of one Senate seat while the Great State of California deserves at least 10.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019165]Whereas the mother fucking USAGOV taxes me on my worldwide income even though I present ZERO tax burden to my country of origin. Nothing is ever enough for the Republican mother fuckers who want to put every immigrant out of the country and send all people of color person in the US back to the plantation (the new term is [I]working on the farm[/I]). [/QUOTE]

The Democrats want to continue taxing your worldwide income. The two politicians leading the charge to STOP the USAGOV from taxing YOUR worldwide income are DONALD J. TRUMP, and REPUBLICAN Darin LaHood.

https://www.taxesforexpats.com/articles/news/trumps-promise-toREPU-end-double-taxation-for-americans-abroad.html


[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019165]The assets that I own in the US cannot be moved. That is why I pay a wealth tax on them. It is called property tax. The same concept can be set up for all assets.[/QUOTE]

No it cannot. Texas Contrarian, who posts on another hooker board and who knows far more about finance and economics than anybody here, points out that if a wealth tax were implemented, there would be a flow of investment out of financial assets, which can be easily valued, and into private equity. Private equity investments can be massively undervalued, and multimillionaires and billionaires would use them to avoid paying the tax. This is not an ideal use of capital IMO. Companies taken over by private equity tend to borrow out the gazoo and many end up bankrupt.

I was the executor of an estate that owed no estate tax, because the net worth of the deceased was below the cutoff, but had to file IRS Form 706. To prepare the form you have to estimate reasonable values, using appraisers when necessary, for all the assets in the estate. The exercise is exactly what people would have to perform if there were a wealth tax. We were subsequently audited by the IRS.

I never want to and will not go through that again. If I had to pay an annual wealth tax, I'd renounce citizenship and leave the USA for good and for sure. The amount of the tax wouldn't matter as much as the compliance. We've each only got so much time left on this earth, and I'm not going to spend every waking hour doing paperwork for the IRS. And you have to do the paperwork. The mother fuckers in Washington have passed laws that can bankrupt you or send you to jail if you fuck up the paperwork.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019165]BTW, [B]if you wanted a truly fair income tax system it would be a flat tax: 20%. On ALL NET income. No exceptions[/B]. You make a 10,000 you pay 2000, you make 100,000 you pay 20,000. You make 1,000,000 you pay 200,000. In my opinion that is fair.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Texas Contrarian pointed out that the largest tax increase on the wealthy was overseen by Ronald Reagan and Democrat Tip O'Neill. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 dropped the top rate to a flat 28%, and eliminated many loopholes. Before Reagan, when maximum rates ranged from 70% to 94%, the rich jumped through hoops to avoid paying tax. They invested in oil wells, race horses, feedlots -- all kinds of tax loopholes. Practically no one paid anywhere close to 90%. When the rate became 28%, the rich ended up actually paying more tax. And they allocated capital a lot more efficiently. After the rate was lowered and the loopholes closed, investing in semiconductors became more attractive than investing in racehorses.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019165][B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] people don't have their assets in a suitcase that they just grab and get on a plane when the government wants to tax them. That is why they spend so much money influencing tax policy in their countries. They have convinced people that they should not be taxed on their wealth. But this is incorrect. If the current wealth transfer continues to be allowed, the passive income earned from the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] will allow them to continue to purchase the assets of the middle class and drain their wealth over time. That will lead to decreased living standards and increase in people living in abject policy like this [I]poor black man[/I] who is just trying to make in a white world.

[B]Tax wealth not work![/B][/QUOTE]

So what's that wealth used for? The income-producing assets of the rich and the super rich, as well as everyone who has a pension or 401K or mutual fund? The wealth is invested in businesses. Parked in banks and used to fund commercial, auto and home loans. Used to buy Treasury Bills so our government doesn't become like Venezuela's. The wealth produces jobs and performs other functions important to America and all Americans.

HOWEVER, it might make sense to impose the 8% annual wealth tax proposed by Bernie Sanders on all Americans' holdings of cryptocurrencies, gold and collectibles. They're not used in a significant way to create jobs, grow the economy or fund government. They just sit around and gather dust, or whatever the cyber equivalent of dust is for crypto. While crypto may perform an important and honorable function in places like Venezuela, in the USA it’s sometimes used to launder money and the like. If you believe in big government like most Democrats, then why would you want crypto to even exist? Most Democrats think crypto is a libertarian plot to deprive the Treasury of revenues and enable criminal behavior. Look at all the press they give to the Trump family’s crypto businesses.

And PLEASE, "this [I]poor black man[/I] who is just trying to make in a white world." You're living the dream, in Thailand. Many people would give their left nuts to lead your life.

[B]Tax crypto not capital![/B]

[QUOTE]If you don't want those things to click-clack
Take a few steps back because I'm playin fo' keeps
Go ahead keep playin with me and watch how I hit 'em in the head once again
For those who didn't believe in the kid y'all might as well be dead
[b]Because what y'all thought couldn't be done, I did[/b]. - Pitbull[/QUOTE][U][b]Tax Wealth not Work![/b][/U]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]So what's that wealth used for?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is used to fund the [I]government/corporate wage slave plantation system[/I] in the Dis-United States of America. Example provided below:

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]The income-producing assets of the rich and the super rich, as well as everyone who has a pension or 401K or mutual fund? The wealth is invested in businesses. Parked in banks and used to fund commercial, auto and home loans. Used to buy Treasury Bills so our government doesn't become like Venezuela's. The wealth produces jobs and performs other functions important to America and all Americans.[/QUOTE]In other words it is used to by the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] to own everything. [B]Tiny[/B] why did not not address my facts on wealth inequality in the United States of America. Is it because you cannot deny the picture that those facts developed. You pivoted and tried to do the [I]banana in the tailpipe[/I] trick a distraction by pointing out Thailand and the Dominican Republic. The topic of the thread is [B]American Politics[/B]. I no longer live in the United States of America. But what if I did. How would I be doing there? Not so good after all.

Why did you ignore my point that those same companies are now using AI to reduce headcount of employees while improving productivity. Investment and application of AI is just getting started. It's very unbecoming to call yourself debating with me when you just bury your head in the sand about the massive changes coming down the line.

BTW, Crypto is money in the new digital era. It is the first money that moves at the same speed that AI does. The speed of light. For an educated and intelligent person you really have zero clue about crypto. Have your ever heard of the term: Stable coin. They are currently being used for instant and cross boarder payments. VISA has integrated them already. Many others of the corporate plantation class are also talking about moving forward with applications that use Stablecoins.

[U]What is a Stable coin[/U]

A stable coins is a crypto back by a hard asset that does not change in value. The two largest stable coins at this time are USDC and USDT. What do you think they are back with? US Treasuries. [U]Are you starting see the lack of intelligence in your statements about crypto Tiny[/U]?

[B]If you don't want to tax wealth, that at least tax all income in the same way![/B]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]HOWEVER, it might make sense to impose the 8% annual wealth tax proposed by Bernie Sanders on all Americans' holdings of cryptocurrencies, gold and collectibles.[/QUOTE][B]I don't give a fuck what they choose to tax[/B] For the record [U]Digital Assets[/U] are already taxed. I suppose you don't know this because you don't own any. I don't own any either.

[URL]https://www.irs.gov/filing/digital-assets[/URL]

If they choose to subject those assets to double taxation while continuing in their failure to tax wealth of the top 1% of US Citizens then all you are doing is making my point. The corporate plantation class of the Dis-United States of America will continue to accumulate assets and they will drain those asses from the middle class. Why? Because that is the only class that is left with significant assist in the Dis-United States of America. They got the poor. They got the government (it is now essentially bankrupt and in debt).

If they are going tax cryptocurrencies then your bank account is going is going to be taxed as well just for holding it. Wherever it is that you hold your cash. If you don't understand, figure out what a stable coin is. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].

How are they going to know how much gold anyone holds? The reason people hold gold (in additional to a diversifying their portfolio) is because it is OUTSIDE the banking system and untraceable. Now in my case, if I happen to be wearing any gold I suppose customs could stop me. But I am like PitBull.

[QUOTE]I know when y'all think of The Cmdr, y'all think big trucks, big rims, But oh no, not me, I stay low-key so them boys can't spot me. Therefore, they can't watch me, if they can't watch. They sure as hell can't stop me[/QUOTE]Like I said before, I am just a [I]poor black man trying to make it in a white mans world[/I].

[U]Use of Cryptocurrencies[/U]

[QUOTE]Theyre not used in a significant way to create jobs, grow the economy or fund government.[/QUOTE]This is one of the least intelligent statements I have ever seen you write on ISG Tiny. I refuse to believe that you are so uninformed as have been living under a rock for the last 17 years BTC has existed. Have you never even heard of a Stable coin. Really? Your statement is not even worth my reply. But I will in order to educate.

[B]You want to talk about capitalism Tiny?[/B]

Do you know about the US Stock Market? If you do, then look up these symbols: COIN, MSTR, CRCL. Report back here the number of employees that work for these companies. Check the amount of revenue these companies generate. Check the market cap of these companies. Check the amount of debt from the US Treasury held by CRCL. While you are at it, do the same for Tether (USDT). Crypto is the seventh largest asset class on earth! I hear it is so easy to make money in BTC that even Blackrock has gotten into it!

[B]GTF![/B]

[QUOTE]Theyre not used in a significant way to create jobs, grow the economy or fund government.[/QUOTE]After you have done what I told you to do and you have educated yourself. Repeat that stupidity that you wrote into a voice recording, Sit down and play it back for yourself. REPEATEDLY each morning, during your morning routine, until you come to an understanding of the modern digital world.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]The Democrats want to continue taxing your worldwide income. The two politicians leading the charge to STOP the USAGOV from taxing YOUR worldwide income are DONALD J. TRUMP, and REPUBLICAN Darin LaHood.

https://www.taxesforexpats.com/articles/news/trumps-promise-toREPU-end-double-taxation-for-americans-abroad.html[/QUOTE]Man fuck them saltine cracker eating mother fuckers. [B]Republicans[/B] only want to see me and my fellow Americans who look like me (reference made to the MAGA from Texas who flys to Colombia all the time to fuck high priced prostitutes) along with all other colors (that do not look like them) to stay on the [I]government/corporate wage slave [b]plantations[/b][/I]. ([I]It should be noted that they now also all it working on the farm[/I]). [B]Republicans[/B] are some of the most hypocritical mother fuckers on earth. [U]Trickle down theory[/U]: (means they piss on your head). [U]Pro life[/U]: They tell a girl you must squat and push out babies that look like [B]Republicans[/B] but once you do it, * we got nothing of you. No school lunches * Go suck a dick. Preferably a [B]Repbublican[/B] dick. Get paid. Feed your kid. I got a mother fucking tee time! They don't care if YOUR children look like they are suffering through a famine. Look at the support they are giving the war criminal that is running that spot across the pond.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]And PLEASE, "this [I]poor black man[/I] who is just trying to make in a white world." You're living the dream, in Thailand. Many people would give their left nuts to lead your life.[/QUOTE]Are you sure? It may look like a dream to you but here on ISG it is a nightmare!

[QUOTE=Allover;3019280]Actually I think the other 5 people you mentioned are right and [b]Tiny12[/b] is wrong in this instance. While you brag about having the stack and flow (while putting others down) to afford a taxi from BKK to Pattaya, you still fly standby in Air India economy class.[/QUOTE]Individuals who post in the Thailand threads do not agree with you [B]Tiny12[/B]. They think you are wrong. Let us be honest. What do you really know about MY mother fucking life? [B]My life is fucking hell[/B]. I got ISG haters trolling me on a daily basis. I got more bitches trying to get an fuck appointment with me than I have time or money. My only regret is that I have but one dick to fuck with.

[QUOTE]Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.
Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.[/QUOTE][B]And so it begins![/B]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019306]HOWEVER, it might make sense to impose the 8% annual wealth tax proposed by Bernie Sanders on all Americans' holdings of cryptocurrencies, gold and collectibles.[/QUOTE][B]You mean in addition to the tariff on gold bars being implemented now?[/B]

When are these USGOV mother fucks going to stop this tariff [B]male bovine excrement[/B]. The current administration fear the average US Citizen taking their money outside of the fiat ponzi scheme and placing it in real assets that cannot be tracked, traced or monitored.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019285]LOL. You thought some dummies would read your set up and spin on that link, read the link and then stupidly conclude Putin denied he wanted Trump to win the election and denied that he directed officials to help make that happen, didn't you?

But your little plan failed.

'Fess up; when YOU first read the report in that link, YOU were one of those dummies, right?.[/QUOTE]By changing the subject, you have admitted that you have lost the argument.

And you have to be a political idiot to expect that Putin or any other world leader would say before Trump, "Yeah, I wanted Hiliary to win. " and Putin, if nothing else, is a master politician. You on the other hand are anything but.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3019254]Yeah, because the NYT, writes about meaningless stories, all the time...right! (...kkkk!)[/QUOTE]Do I need to bring up Russiagate and Covid again? How many articles over how many years were devoted to them?

[QUOTE=Spidy;3019254]Nepal serves as GREAT example, in the move from fossil fuel dependency, to energy security, energy independence and geo-eco-political stability, with a strong conviction to their crisis driven administrative policies.

Just take other countries with a heavy hydro energy mix, like Brazil (83% hydro) and Canada (60%),both have less than 5% and 3.4% EV penetration, respectively.[/QUOTE]Here I will even help you out seeing as how you are struggling to understand. Here is a great video on EVs:

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@thefinanceinfo/video/7532506945819823382[/URL]

The problem with you Democratic is that you see a video like this and you jump the gun. Instead of giving incentives to private industry to oversee the gradual transition and let them fill in the needs gradually, you insist that government come in and force feed the shift.

Rail is better for the environment than cars so let's build high speed rail in California. Oh wait, we have spent billions and have a mile of track. Oh, let's spend billions and put charging stations on interstates, and in two years, you have built 10.

What government can do is give incentives to various industries and reward ones that get the job done. Let Tesla and other EV manufacturers drive the change and not government.

We have had a fossil fuel based infrastructure built up over a hundred years. It is going to take at least decades to roll that back if we can at all. There is not a supply chain issue with a country like Nepal. There may be one with Canada, Brazil, and the USA and even if there is not, it is going to take decades to build out the needed infrastructure.

The government should a referee not a participant. Most of the times when government is a participant, you get the California high speed rail experience.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019282]BTW I heard there's a special room in HELL for ALL Libertarians.[/QUOTE][B]Tariff Bitcoin![/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019391][B]You mean in addition to the tariff on gold bars being implemented now?[/B]

When are these USGOV mother fucks going to stop this tariff [B]male bovine excrement[/B]. The current administration fear the average US Citizen taking their money outside of the fiat ponzi scheme and placing it in real assets that cannot be tracked, traced or monitored.[/QUOTE]Let's see MarquisdeSade1's living god (a statement that is pure blasphemy) put a tariff on Bitcoin. I'm holding two fingers up! Guess which ones.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2025/08/08/catholic-bishops-compare-ice-deportations-to-nazis-and-slave-catchers/[/URL]

His slave catcher comparison can be quite apropos at times.

He may want to rethink his words lololol.

He's not supposed to say the quiet part out loud LMFAO.

Sorry, you're correct SubCmdr, money invested in stable coins is invested in US debt and they serve as a medium of exchange. I believe my argument is good for Bitcoin, Ethereum and the like though.

You previously convinced me Bitcoin is not a Ponzi scheme, but are all the jobs created by the Bitcoin mining companies or Microstrategy any more praiseworthy than jobs created by Bernard L. Madoff Investments? Consuming massive quantities of energy to produce BTC doesnt seem like a good use of resources. And actually Microstrategy (although not BTC) is just bizarre, the way it funds BTC purchases and has a market cap much higher than its undelying assets. ChatGPT is telling me there are about 13,000 blockchain/crypto jobs in the USA. Admittedly thats as of 2023, but it doesnt seem like very many.

I do not actually believe there should be a special asset tax on cryptos like Bitcoin, or gold, although I do believe a property tax on collectibles could be justified, if taxpayers and the tax collector don’t have to jump through hoops to come up with fair valuations. Taxing Bitcoin and gold wouldn't be as foolhardy as your proposed wealth tax though. My proposal to tax crypto was satirical. The 8% was the tip off.

I did address your points about inequality. Again, Yes inequality is higher in the USA than in, say, Europe. But still the average American is considerably better off than the average person in France, Germany, UK, etc. Not only that but I proposed how we could reduce inequality by copying countries like Australia and Singapore.

I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I actually do admire what you've done with Bitcoin as well as certain aspects of the SubCmdr lifestyle. And Im appreciative of the help you gave me understanding how to use stablecoins. I shouldnt have replied to your post. When I hear wealth tax I react like a buddy in high school when somebody would say oink oink. Fred got caught banging a pig in high school and so he was compelled to come out fighting whenever someone would make pig sounds. Yes, Tooms was right when he speculated that I came from a place where tumbleweeds and sheep outnumbered the women.

I'm taking another vacation from this thread, it's too toxic, so if you want the last word it's yours.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019436]By changing the subject, you have admitted that you have lost the argument.

And you have to be a political idiot to expect that Putin or any other world leader would say before Trump, "Yeah, I wanted Hiliary to win. " and Putin, if nothing else, is a master politician. You on the other hand are anything but.[/QUOTE]When you can post a link to the report of a bi-partisan Repub-led investigation that concludes the opposite of what Marco Rubio's Repub-led Repub investigation concluded then you might have the beginning chance at refuting what Obama, the Dems and I have said about it.

Was Putin standing in front of Trump when he issued that literal non denial that he wanted Trump, not Hillary, to win and directed officials to make that happen as quoted in your link?

Has any Repub-led investigation of Russia Russia Russia from Mueller to Durham to Barr to Rubio concluded that Putin wanted Hillary to win, Trump to lose, and invested time, money and man-power into making that happen rather than the exact opposite of it?

Nope.

Now we have the Durham annexe documents admitting the email suggesting Putin might kinda sorta maybe have wanted Hillary to win was very likely made up by Putin's spies.

Which MAGAs, you and no doubt that other MAGALoon Matt Taibbi are scrambling desperately to convince yourselves and any other dummies who might believe you that revelation is also is saying the opposite of what it says.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-done/[/URL]

Remember Roevember LMFAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc&t=10s[/URL]

She couldn't get elected to small town dog catcher with out the help of using her mouth on her knees.

And Wille "THE PIMP" Brown.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019520][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-done/[/URL]

Remember Roevember LMFAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc&t=10s[/URL]

She couldn't get elected to small town dog catcher with out the help of using her mouth on her knees.

And Wille "THE PIMP" Brown.[/QUOTE]Former Vice President Kamala Harris has written a new book about her brief presidential campaign called 107 Days, and The Babylon Bee has obtained an advance copy.

The book won't be released until next month, but here are some of the most fascinating quotes:

"A prologue is like an introduction. So, here's my introduction. And this is my book. A book written by me. I am me. The writer of the book. ".

"My publisher said this book should be 100,000 words, which is very, very, very, very, very, very, very many words. ".

"This is a chapter. And in this chapter, there will be several pages. Each page contains many words. And the words are the meaning of the chapter. ".

"I was accused of covering up Joe Biden's severe dementia. This is false. During his entire term, he always seemed just as sharp and intelligent as I was. ".

"Of all the great political minds throughout history, the genius whose philosophy I admire most has to be Megan Thee Stallion. ".

"A Moscow Mule is three parts ginger beer, one part lime juice, and the rest is vodka. If you don't taste the vodka, you're doing it wrong. ".

"That was the day that I found out I've been pronouncing my first name wrong this whole time. ".

"It is my fervent hope and wish that my story can prove an inspiration for young black girls across this country whose dream it is to attain wealth, fame, and status through no achievement of their own. It can be done, girls!

"Am I right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. I wrote this. ".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019497]When you can post a link to the report of a bi-partisan Repub-led investigation that concludes the opposite of what Marco Rubio's Repub-led Repub investigation concluded then you might have the beginning chance at refuting what Obama, the Dems and I have said about it.[/QUOTE]Keep up, Loony Tooms. Why are you talking about an investigation when the facts are now known? When your parents told you Santa Claus was not real, did you point to an investigation that said he was?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019497]Was Putin standing in front of Trump when he issued that literal non denial that he wanted Trump, not Hillary, to win and directed officials to make that happen as quoted in your link?[/QUOTE]No, Oatmeal for brains, Putin said before a spy we have in Russia he did not care who won. And all the dirt Putin had was not on Trump but Hiliary, and he apparently had buckets of it.

So here we go with the Alinsky method again. You douches accuse Putin of having dirt on Trump when in reality, Putin has it on Hiliary.

And the whole Russiagate fiasco was an attempted sideshow to take the attention of the email scandal. That is literally in the newly delassified information.

Usually when you douches are found to be so full of shit, you go to the never mind stage. In this case, your brain is so full of oatmeal you have not even figured out that it is time to do so.

Joe Biden is sharp as a tack. Never mind. Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian misinformation. Never mind. The vaccine is safe and effective. Never mind.

But you so want Russiagate to be true you keep holding onto it. But mom, I know Santa is real!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019520]

She couldn't get elected to small town dog catcher with out the help of using her mouth on her knees.

And Wille "THE PIMP" Brown.[/QUOTE]Great clip. What a dumbfuck! At least Biden, no great intellect himself, has dementia as his excuse for his incompetence.

Brown, an astute politician, originally advised Kamel face not to accept the VP nod. He was well aware of her mental limitations. He recommended that she stay out of national politics and accept a US Supreme Court nomination instead, which is a lifetime job. Good advice, but Kamel face did not listen to it, ran for VP, was elected, did a horrible job, ran an unbelievably incompetent presidential campaign, and as a result, she can't run for governor or anything else. She has no donors / no support to run. She is thru in politics. I bet the Democrats do not even invite her back to give a speech at their next presidential convention in 2028.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019520] "Wille the Pimp"[/QUOTE]How did I forget this classic recording by Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmcQyVwbJG4[/URL]

BTW I once saw Frank Zappa and the original Mothers of Invention performing as the opening act for Cream when I was a snot nosed punk before I even had a driver's license. What a concert!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3019589]Great clip. What a dumbfuck! At least Biden, no great intellect himself, has dementia as his excuse for his incompetence.

Brown, an astute politician, originally advised Kamel face not to accept the VP nod. He was well aware of her mental limitations. He recommended that she stay out of national politics and accept a US Supreme Court nomination instead, which is a lifetime job. Good advice, but Kamel face did not listen to it, ran for VP, was elected, did a horrible job, ran an unbelievably incompetent presidential campaign, and as a result, she can't run for governor or anything else. She has no donors / no support to run. She is thru in politics. I bet the Democrats do not even invite her back to give a speech at their next presidential convention in 2028.[/QUOTE]She could of skipped VP and coasted on her government check from the US Senate for the next 40 yrs lolol.

I have a few job suggestions, I'm not saying she is qualified for any of them? But here's a few.

Walmart greeter.

Starbucks barista.

Janitor at Mcds.

Maid at Motel 6.

RIP Kamel face lololol these freaks are so delusional in an other thread last year some of them were saying how hot she was and they would do anything to eat her diseased snatch lolololololol.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3019589]Great clip. What a dumbfuck! At least Biden, no great intellect himself, has dementia as his excuse for his incompetence.

Brown, an astute politician, originally advised Kamel face not to accept the VP nod. He was well aware of her mental limitations. He recommended that she stay out of national politics and accept a US Supreme Court nomination instead, which is a lifetime job. Good advice, but Kamel face did not listen to it, ran for VP, was elected, did a horrible job, ran an unbelievably incompetent presidential campaign, and as a result, she can't run for governor or anything else. She has no donors / no support to run. She is thru in politics. I bet the Democrats do not even invite her back to give a speech at their next presidential convention in 2028.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RTxryy-SJI[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3018928]Outlaw gerrymandering first. Then let's see how overall voting numbers compare with numbers of House seats.

Until then, it is no different from judging a wrestling match while either or both participants are hog-tied and just wiggling around the ring. It means and tells us practically nothing.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's establish the number of Senate seats to relate to the states' populations of living human being citizens and not to vast empty spaces or the number of rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds.

Then and only then will we get a clearer picture of what the majority of Americans want their votes to accomplish and who they want to make that happen.[/QUOTE]Now its his turn! BTW how did that work out for you dirtbags lololololololol.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-democratic-delusion/[/URL]

Speaking of getting down on hands and knees with mouth (and ass) puckered and wide open...

[i][b]the MAGA Fuhrer is set to again, assume "the position",[/b][/i] he's all but infamously known for, when dealing with Putin.

[b]Trump's meeting with Putin poses high stakes for Ukraine and his legacy? [/b] Aug 9th, 2025
[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-meeting-putin-high-stakes-ukraine-war-legacy-rcna223904[/url]

It's amazing that, some analysts warn that, Putin may try to manipulate Trump into accepting a deal that favors Russia? ...Oh really, ya think!

What, like audiences haven't seen this negotiation back-door fuck-up, before? (ie. their 2018 Helsinki summit)

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[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.[/blue]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3019680]Speaking of getting down on hands and knees with mouth puckered and wide open...

the MAGA Fuhrer is set to again, assume "the position", he all but infamously known for when dealing with Putin.

Trump's meeting with Putin poses high stakes for Ukraine and his legacy? Aug 9th, 2025

It's amazing that, some analysts warn that, Putin may try to manipulate Trump into accepting a deal that favors Russia? What like audiences haven't seen this back-door fuck-up, before?[/QUOTE]When Victoria Nuland made her famous fuck the EU statement when picking the leadership of Ukraine back in 2014, there was little doubt the Russians were the ones who had hacked her phone or a phone system and released that recording.

With the declassification of most things with Russiagate, we have seen some of Russian intelligence, and it does not paint a pretty picture. Not only was Hiliary's server on line but her phone was easily hacked as well, and it appears AG Loretta Lynch's phone was hacked as was the phone of Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

In their infamous plane meeting, the obvious bet is that Bill Clinton promised Lynch a SCOTUS seat in return for Lynch not prosecuting Hiliary, and it could be even worse than that. There may have been a cash bribe to boot.

It was so bizarre that Comey and not Lynch made the decision not to prosecute when they had Hiliary dead to rights. Cops and AGs always have fights, and it usually happens when AGs do not prosecute someone the cops know is guilty. In this case, the cop says Hiliary is guilty but decides not to prosecute? That makes no sense.

And in another bizarre CYA move Comey opens up a FBI investigation of Hiliary right before the election in 2016 that makes no sense. That investigation may have gotten Trump elected. Why did he do that?

And now we have some of what the Russians have and we know there are eight USB drives full of details that have scared the shit out of people so badly that everyone wants to pretend they do not exist, but the players know what they did.

Given the dirt on Hiliary and other members of the Obama administration, is there any other move but to lie about Trump with the Russiagate BS and demonize Putin?

What gets me is these assholes are willing to risk nuclear war with Russia such that their secrets do not get out.

Thing is Trump has read what is on the USB drives, and Putin knows and has even more than that.

Trump think he has a fellow victim that he can talk to and empathize with as the other victim of Russiagate. Putin likely bashes all the people Trump hates but lies to him, keeps the war going and grabs another piece of Ukraine.

Someone needs to tell Trump that Putin is not his buddy but is playing him, and it has to be someone he knows and trusts. I have always been curious of how much power Melania Trump has and wields. I think it is one helluva lot more than anyone lets on, and you rarely hear about her. She tells Trump he is being played and now Trump starts to move on Putin's oil exports. And now Putin wants to talk.

And you Democratic douches play your last card, and an incredibly weak one at that, Trump is going to kiss Trump's ass.

The economic bonanza if peace breaks out means we no longer have to keep shoveling money to Ukraine like we did, and you can take another few hundred billion off the debt / deficit. If Russian oil and gas starts to flow, then energy prices plummet much like they already have.

What people miss about inflation is the biggest chunk of it is housing and tossing out the illegals is freeing up a lot of housing, and housing prices are already down. With energy coming down as well, whatever effects tariffs have on inflation, which I think is already grossly exaggerated, is buffered.

So of course, you bash Trump. You Democratic want Americans and the American economy to suffer so you can get back in power, and it does not look good now. So Spidy, you might want to call your Chinese sponsors and do what you did last time to win an election. Have China let another deadly virus loose and blame Trump for all the deaths from it. It worked in 2020, right?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3019446]Do I need to bring up Russiagate and Covid again? How many articles over how many years were devoted to them? [/QUOTE]Yeah, meaningless for who? Since you MAGA cults, supposedly only believe what comes outta your MAGA Fuhrer's mouth, in other words, you're really saying, "Nothing to see here!"...is that right? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3019446]We have had a fossil fuel based infrastructure built up over a hundred years. It is going to take at least decades to roll that back if we can at all. There is not a supply chain issue with a country like Nepal. There may be one with Canada, Brazil, and the USA and even if there is not, it is going to take decades to build out the needed infrastructure. [/QUOTE]As for shit taking decades, you maybe right when it comes the QAnon/MAGA suckers and the know nothing, do nothing and no nothing, Repub party governing administrations. With the MAGA Fuhrer led clown shit-show administrations, that have the U.S. backpedaling and going backwards, yes, it may take the U.S. decades.

[u]Outside of the U.S., transformation, in China, The Global South isn't really taking, "decades":[/u]

Again, with countries in the Global South, like Nepal, that have made such dramatic transformations in five (5) years, I see it largely, as only a matter of a country's geo-eco-socio-political "conviction" and "will power".

[b]Pakistans Solar Revolution Is Bringing Power to the People [/b]
[url]https://e360.yale.edu/features/pakistan-solar-boom[/url]

Just look at Pakistan's solar boom and it's decentralized energy and somewhat arguably better democratization of power. In 2022, [u]40 million Pakistanis still didn't have access to electricity[/u] (mostly rural). In less than three (3) years, less than 5% (or approx 12.6 million) are without electricity.

Already Pakistanis, are looking to a brighter future without fossil fuel energy bills and forecasting on a boom in battery energy storage (like Australia), followed by EVs, two and three-wheeler electrification.

Yes, The Global South countries are leapfrogging fossil fuel dependency, through [u]rapid[/u] electrification.

Yeah, meaningless for who? Since you MAGA cults, supposedly only believe what comes out of your MAGA Fuhrer's mouth, in other words, you're really saying, "Nothing to see here! Is that right?

As for shit taking decades, you maybe right when it comes the QAnon / MAGA suckers and the know nothing, do nothing and no nothing, Repub party governing administrations. With the MAGA Fuhrer led clown shit-show administrations, that have the USA Backpedaling and going backwards, yes, it may take the USA Decades.

Outside of the USA, transformation, in China, The Global South isn't really taking, "decades":

Again, with countries in the Global South, like Nepal, that have made such dramatic transformations in five (5) years, I see it largely, as only a matter of a country's geo-eco-socio-political "conviction" and "will power".

Just look at Pakistan's solar boom and it's decentralized energy and somewhat arguably better democratization of power. In 2022,40 million Pakistanis still didn't have access to electricity (mostly rural). In less than three (3) years, less than 5% (or approx 12.6 million) are without electricity.

Already Pakistanis, are looking to a brighter future without fossil fuel energy bills and forecasting on a boom in battery energy storage (like Australia), followed by EVs, two and three-wheeler electrification.

Yes, The Global South countries are leapfrogging fossil fuel dependency, through."

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/gavin-newsom-climate-warrior-flinches-as-californias-war-against-oil-produces-a-crisis/[/URL]

She tried to destroy Our Lord and Savior without just cause.

Karma is a beach.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/09/trump-accuses-pelosis-of-insider-trading-after-beating-every-hedge-fund-in-2024/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019105][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5abU03jPWU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Ljd7mcbMQ[/URL]

Please opine!![/QUOTE]James Madison made the point that presidential powers needed to be limited because the best and brightest would not always be president. Warren Buffett said that you had best buy a company that an idiot could run because an idiot likely would be running it.

When I did an investing tour of an idea I had, I was able to walk into some businesses and talk to the CEO or upper management. It was always white men I talked to back then and handsome men to boot. Some were incredibly smart and some were as dumb as a rock. The phrase I used for the dumb ones, and it was copied by so many others, was tall, good looking white guy who wants to get paid just for showing up.

Back then, I would have been intrigued by a fat white guy, an out of the closet gay man, a man of color, or a woman in the CEO position given what they had to do to get there and assumed that they were very talented. At that same time, American Idol was huge, and I saw who was winning. The good looking people often got voted out and quickly. Americans wanted talent not looks which is what I wanted with CEOs.

Thing with Biden's racism and sexism bullshit is that you threw out all the good white male CEOs along with the incompetent ones. So now if I see a black, trans, gay, or woman as CEO, I do not think they are good. I think DEI hire. I think Jaguar. Instead of allowing things to progress naturally, the Democrats fucked that up. They replaced racism and sexism with THEIR racism and sexism.

As for the disposable male, I saw that with my divorce. A family member who is a lawyer told me that the courts favored women in divorce because the women gave up the prime years of their lives. That pissed me off, and I said, "And what am I? Chopped liver?

I get it now. The manosphere said a woman's peak social market value is at age 23, and this is not just in Western society but all societies polled and that age, women often have their choice of plow horses. I do not mind being the plow horse for my family as long as am I appreciated, but if not, well fuck you. Then I am going to get a woman who does appreciate me even if she is a hooker. What gets me is not only are women and children often not appreciative of our efforts of the plow horse, they frequently beat us for more.

I have not heard much about the "deadbeat dad" crap lately. Can there be a worse way to motivate a man to be a plow horse than for an ex-wife and kid / kids who hate you?

And women can fuck themselves when it comes to my caring for kids. They cackle at us when we refused to pay, "How dare you men abandon your children!" Fuck them! If you women really cared about kids so much, why are you killing so many via abortion?

When I was watching Love is Blind, all but one man, the richest one, wanted nothing to do with the hottest chick (even though they did not know she was hot), and the reason was the hot woman would not help out if in a couple financially, not at all. The guy was supposed to pay for everything. So the hot chick and the richest guy meet and see each other, and the hot chick is like I can get hotter and richer than you. She just wanted the rich guy because other women wanted him!

But it showed me men are learning. They are not choosing women who are not plow horses themselves.

In my case, what was so crazy after my divorce is that I would come home and there would be peace, and that is priceless. Not only was I paying for everything, I had to listen to this beetch and all her excuses why shit was not done and I was the reason it was not done. I was shocked at how little she was doing and how much weight she was adding to my life. Not only was I carrying her, she was adding another 50 lbs onto my back just out of spite. I wonder now, was I alone in this?

The irony is women do all the beetching about men. The women are saying there are no good plow horses left. No shit! Men have wised up. Real feminism is saying you can plow too beetch!

With my ex, she was 23 when I met her and 25 when we married. Back then, she just had to bat her eyes at men, and men would be interested. Not now. What guy wants to be a plow horse for someone in their 50's? Beetchs like her tried to outlaw the hookers as rivals, but guys just went underground or abroad. The women crying to government once again did not work.

How many times do we hear we women deserve better, and then they fall on their face not realizing how good they had it? I see that all the time. You are not 23 beetch. After that, your social market score goes down!

In the American culture, the thought is that we just think it is okay that you go off to war and die to protect us and that you like to spend money on us and therefore your sacrifice is no big deal. Men were willing to do that for THEIR families. Now that women have gotten power and aligned with government and children belong to them or CPS, men are like, they are not our families any more.

And women gripe that you are not a real man if you do not pay for the kids or her. If you are an emotional and financial burden by choice, you are not my wife, and I don't give a fuck what the paper says, and that is the big difference between Colombia and the USA. My brother cautioned me when I said that I had found someone different, but he did not get that women in Colombia know going to the government gets them nothing, and that is what I told my brother. Part of what makes her special is not just her but the system she was born into.

And then you have SC and his dumb international trick line. If you do not know all men pay for pussy, you have your head in the sand. If you are fucking a woman, you are either a trick or lying to yourself that you are not one.

But if you want to tell yourself that I cannot get American women, that is fine with me. I do not want them. You can have my share! If you get one, feel free to think you are a stud, but in my eyes, with very few exceptions, I think you are fucking nuts. There is no limit to what an American woman thinks she is entitled to. None!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3019697]Yeah, meaningless for who? Since you MAGA cults, supposedly only believe what comes outta your MAGA Fuhrer's mouth[/QUOTE]Seeing as how you believe everything the NYT wrote about Russiagate and Covid, you are the one in the cult.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3019697]As for shit taking decades, you maybe right when it comes the QAnon/MAGA suckers and the know nothing, do nothing and no nothing, Repub party governing administrations.[/QUOTE]And here we go again. You think the California high speed rail program and Biden's electric gas station program was money well spent. That just tells me once again you are fucking nuts. You keep saying other people are in a cult when it is you who is in one.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019730]She tried to destroy Our Lord and Savior without just cause.

Karma is a beach.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/09/trump-accuses-pelosis-of-insider-trading-after-beating-every-hedge-fund-in-2024/[/URL][/QUOTE]You can't okay with everything Trump does. To deny a Little League team from Venezuela visas is beyond despicable: it's mean to kids.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019520][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-done/[/URL]

Remember Roevember LMFAO.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc&t=10s[/URL]

She couldn't get elected to small town dog catcher with out the help of using her mouth on her knees.

And Wille "THE PIMP" Brown.[/QUOTE]LOL. How appropriate that the first time Trump and his MAGA rally heard anything about where Ukraine is on the map, that Russia invaded Ukraine and not the other way around, how the Cloud works and all that came from a video Trump played of a much smarter person, better informed and as is abundantly clear by a majority of Americans now, had a far superior plan and agenda for America than to impose the highest taxes increase in decades and decades on the American Working Men and Women Consumers, jack up the average price of a gallon of regular gas and groceries, round up and keep America safe from nail salon technicians, farm workers and gardeners, increase the rate of inflation, produce typically classic Repub grossly inferior levels of jobs, etc, all of which Trump has "accomplished" in just 6 months.

So they learned all those things from Kamala Harris that Trump himself was too stupid to know and share.

Nice. Guarranteed neither Trump nor 99.99% of the MAGAs in that rally knew any of the facts Harris cited in that video. And that probably goes for a few of the MAGAs on this site, too. They sure as hell never would have learned those things from Trump. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019736]James Madison made the point that presidential powers needed to be limited because the best and brightest would not always be president. Warren Buffett said that you had best buy a company that an idiot could run because an idiot likely would be running it.

When I did an investing tour of an idea I had, I was able to walk into some businesses and talk to the CEO or upper management. It was always white men I talked to back then and handsome men to boot. Some were incredibly smart and some were as dumb as a rock. The phrase I used for the dumb ones, and it was copied by so many others, was tall, good looking white guy who wants to get paid just for showing up.[/QUOTE]Great video espec at 7:35.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PhcD8VwMHk[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019666]She could of skipped VP and coasted on her government check from the US Senate for the next 40 yrs lolol.

I have a few job suggestions, I'm not saying she is qualified for any of them? But here's a few.

Walmart greeter.

Starbucks barista.

Janitor at Mcds.

Maid at Motel 6.

RIP Kamel face lololol these freaks are so delusional in an other thread last year some of them were saying how hot she was and they would do anything to eat her diseased snatch lolololololol.[/QUOTE]IMO she'd be successful on some vapid talk show. A better-looking version of Oprah.

It is amazing how someone that idiotic could make it to VP. To be bipartisan, it was amazing that George W. Bush made it to President.

[QUOTE=Combo;3019776]IMO she'd be successful on some vapid talk show. A better-looking version of Oprah.

It is amazing how someone that idiotic could make it to VP. To be bipartisan, it was amazing that George W. Bush made it to President.[/QUOTE]But he wasn't a dum one, that was a very smart con, everything he did was deliberate, I'm willing to bet Karl Rove came up with the idea of secretly.

Planting with the media the story to paint W as "dum" it kinda gave him a free pass on many things, he wasn't an evil turd, he was just kinda "dum".

Everyone knows someone dumb, its harder to be angry when someone does something because they are stoopid.

Now doing shit because their EVIL like Scumbag Bubba Scumbag Barry and Scumbag Biden is a whole different story.

[QUOTE=Combo;3019776]It is amazing how someone that idiotic could make it to VP. To be bipartisan, it was amazing that George W. Bush made it to President.[/QUOTE]Thank you for keeping it real. Incompetence comes in all color and is found in all political parties.

It has warped proper male female relationships into a unnatural unrecognizable form. Girls can now run to the government for anything they don't like in there personal relationships.

[QUOTE]And then you have SC and his [b]International Trick[/b] line.[/QUOTE]This phrase actually indicates how smart I am. I do not engage in self delusion and do a service to my fellow man by calling things the way they are.

[QUOTE]If you do not know all men pay for pussy, you have your head in the sand. If you are fucking a woman, you are either a trick or lying to yourself that you are not one.[/QUOTE]Took me more than a minute to realize this. All you are saying here is that you support my phrase: [B]International Trick[/B]. Everyone who leave their country origin in order to pay prostitute to have sex in a country is one. [U]Thanks to the MAGA man from Texas to finally keep it real[/U]!

[QUOTE]But if you want to tell yourself that I cannot get American women, that is fine with me. I do not want them. You can have my share![/QUOTE]Exactly how is that going to happen. I had my share. But what I am not doing is calling out my fellow citizens and disparaging them why doing the same thing as they are, namely being a [B]International Trick[/B].

[QUOTE]If you get one, feel free to think you are a stud, but in my eyes, with very few exceptions, I think you are fucking nuts.[/QUOTE]Most people do not care what others think them. I know I don't. When I get called a socialist because someone does not agree with me, I immediately write them off as being illogical. Never seen anyone actually make a intelligent, logical argument that debunks anything I have ever written in the [B]American Politics[/B] section. Why, because you cannot argue with my opinion. When I state a fact, I quote the source.

[QUOTE]There is no limit to what an American woman thinks she is entitled to. None![/QUOTE]My problem with the Dis-United States of America goes far beyond the attitude of the girls that live there. I happen to think the greatest problem in the Dis-United States of America is wealth inequality.

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B]

If you want to call me dumb and stupid as some have, I have no problem. I was smart enough to realize that the Dis-United States of America was going in the wrong direction long ago. I restructured my life in anticipation that it was going to get way worse before it gets better.

[B]It has![/B]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019730]She tried to destroy Our Lord and Savior without just cause.

Karma is a beach.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/09/trump-accuses-pelosis-of-insider-trading-after-beating-every-hedge-fund-in-2024/[/URL][/QUOTE]Dude, she is just smarter than all the hedge fund managers.

[QUOTE=Combo;3019776]IMO she'd be successful on some vapid talk show. A better-looking version of Oprah.[/QUOTE]Sure, she could show women how to be as successful as she was by working on their tongue muscles. In and out. In and out. No teeth ladies!

If she had a segment on how to go down on Willie Brown, I know that I would watch!

Despite Trump playing a video for his Montana MAGA rally of Kamala Harris citing basic facts about what neither he nor they knew in the real world, such as where Ukraine is on a map, which country invaded which country, Russia Russia Russia or Ukraine, how the Cloud works on the internet and all that, it is clear that even Trump knows anyone who could have voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 but didn't will go down in history as the dumbest, most gullible suckers of all time.

LOL. After all, Trump has to know that because he knows those dumb suckers well enough to automatically assume they don't even know the meaning of the word "groceries", much less "reciprocal". And he wouldn't be so comfortable and confident about doing and saying all of the astonishingly idiotic crap he does and says if he didn't know deep in his loins that his followers are the dumbest of the dumb.

Still, relying on his Repub MAGA base to keep that now, what is it, 3 House seat advantage for his dictator boot-licking, America-hating Repubs appears to be slipping away by the minute according to the consensus of polls on the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site.

Trump's Job Approval Ratings and the Generic Ballot Party Ratings are not going in the direction he and his Congressional MAGAs were hoping they would go in the wake of them passing that Big Beautiful Disgusting Abomination For Billionaires And Fuck Everyone Else Bill.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls[/URL]

[QUOTE=Combo;3019776]IMO she'd be successful on some vapid talk show. A better-looking version of Oprah.

It is amazing how someone that idiotic could make it to VP. To be bipartisan, it was amazing that George W. Bush made it to President.[/QUOTE]Scumbag Barry was an unemployable community organizer living in the hood on the south side of Chicago, got into Universities with DEI.

And to this day still will not release his college transcripts, I'm sure they've been destroyed.

He accomplished ZERO before the WH, a little basketball smoking weed and making his own beer for 8 yrs in Washington in the best public housing.

Now fast forward and he has accomplished ZERO since leaving the WH.

I'm guessing even ETs IQ is much much higher.

When I really wish soon elections will fuck Netanyahou to prosecution in Israel and for international. When USA are only 5% of our world, except Netanyahou and Putin, I think our world is looking forward stupid senile Trump death, when he has unfortunately bigger ears than head. Great day when we will get rid of these 3 crazy.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3019750]You can't okay with everything Trump does. To deny a Little League team from Venezuela visas is beyond despicable: it's mean to kids.[/QUOTE]LOL. The shit the media gets to bash Trump on is unreal. Venezuelan Little leaguers? How about all the people eating out of the trash in Venezuela? Or people whose whole families there have been killed or robbed? Just as a reminder, Bernie Sanders went to Venezuela and praised Huge Chavez and thought his form of socialism was a great idea.

On a scale of 1 to 1000 for things to be upset about with Trump, this is a minus three.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019868]Despite Trump playing a video for his Montana MAGA rally of Kamala Harris citing basic facts about what neither he nor they knew in the real world, such as where Ukraine is on a map, which country invaded which country, Russia Russia Russia or Ukraine, how the Cloud works on the internet and all that, it is clear that even Trump knows anyone who could have voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 but didn't will go down in history as the dumbest, most gullible suckers of all time.[/QUOTE]And this is why I call you a Democratic douche. You douches sabotaged Biden because he was brain dead, and in retaliation, he hit back by endorsing her, the only candidate more demented than him.

In doing this, you douches showed if we had a Democratic president, he or she is not our choice of leader but a figurehead. And Kamala had to be babied in her interviews like crazy. 60 Minutes had to edit her interview. She went on Fox News for like 20 minutes and her staff was screaming to wrap it up. You douches had one response. But what about Trump?

Trump went on Joe Rogan's show. He sat down and talked to Rogan for 3 hours. He was articulate, thoughtful and even admitted to making mistakes. Rogan was dying to get Kamala on his show, but the Kamala camp was so hell bent on rigging things, and Rogan did not back down. He is like, "No, it is not going to be one hour. No, I am not coming to you. " The Kamala camp was too chicken shit to do what Trump just did. IMO, that sealed the deal with Trump.

If you cannot handle Joe Rogan, how are you going to handle Putin? And we had to listen to all your BS about Trump and Rogan. That is all you got. Kamala ducking Rogan was probably the worst move of the campaign.

Even her fucking book is an excuse, 107 days. The truth is Kamala's only chance was if the campaign was 30 days and she could literally hide how fucking stupid she is.

And you know who did not vote for Kamala Loony Tooms? You! You voted for a Democrat, and you would have voted for any Democrat. So shut up about Kamala. Your team fucked up by lying about how sharp Biden was and then picking the worst presidential candidate I have ever seen. You are going to lose again in 2028 if you all pick another candidate that dumb.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019770]Great video espec at 7:35.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PhcD8VwMHk[/URL][/QUOTE]The reason arranged marriages are more successful than ones where the woman chooses is because of women like this middle aged dried up hag of an idiot who called Orion a 3. This is not new. Agatha Christie commented on this about a century ago when she frequently wrote how dumb women's choices are. Thing is the parents had a lot more power and would shun her if she made a dumb choice. Now, parents are left out of the mix, and you see dumb things said like "I only date guys over 6 foot 3. " It is fine to have some preferences but to shut yourself off from so many guys is really dumb as is not adjusting when your market value goes down.

When I was using Seeking, a woman showed me how many messages she got, and there was like a hundred. But she was smart, and we both picked out the only 4 real SD candidates. The rest were trying to con her and bang her for nothing. Still, some women are so stupid they think they have thousands of guys out there who want a relationship with them versus just a free quick fuck. I always wanted to know why women were so rude on line, and it is because 95% of the guys messaging them are scam artists. When women saw I was real, they acted much nicer.

But if you try to tell a woman those men are just out to fuck her versus thinking she is a catch, she will blow you off, and that is why they are so delusional. That hurts their feelings. Women in particular want you to tell them what they want to hear versus the truth. It is funny when guys see my gal. To a man, they are like do not blow it like I am punching above my weight class.

I thought she had many more and better options than me. JJBee said I was her best option. Of course, he says that without knowing what she looks like. Still, it was the one time that I will admit that he was right. I have gotten to see what her options are and those of her friends. I was the best one.

Where guys have folded on this is they have let government dictate to them that they have to pay for women and children who do not deserve the money. If she is not fucking you, you need to get some on the side or get out. If she really cares about the kids, of course, she should be fucking you. How hard is it to suck a dick? You have one life and if you are paying for others, their job and their only fucking job is to make you happy and if they are not doing that, then you should not have to give them anything.

If you are in a sexless marriage, you are an idiot if you are not getting it on the side, and it is cleaner to pay for it. To slap men on the back and say good job when their wife and kids have no respect for them and the guy is getting no sex and people are saying good job because you did not cheat does not mean you are smart or honorable. It means you are a sap. What are you getting out of that relationship?

In the mean time, guys are bashing others here. I see some version of this here all the time, Unless you are 6 foot 5 and have a 10 inch dick, you do not have a prayer with that hottie. And if she does fuck you, it is just for money. MDS, I had to unlearn that. If I had not, I would not have gotten my woman.

You have these 25 year old hookers, and you have all these guys here who are thinking there is no way they could get said women. Hookers! They are so stupid that they cannot distinguish between the ton of guys that want to fuck hookers versus the tiny sliver that want a relationship with them.

The real reason a 25 year old hot Colombian hooker would never have you or me for a BF is not because she has such great choices. It is because she knows once we see the real her we are going to dump her. The only BFs the hookers are going to have are losers who are so pathetic that they will not leave them.

Including links from CBS News and German Bild:

[B]Putin Trolls U.S. By Giving Trump Envoy Medal Meant For CIA Official.
The award, the Order of Lenin, was meant to be handed off to Juliane Gallina, whose 21-year-old son, Michael Gloss, was killed in 2024, fighting for Russia against Ukraine.[/B]

[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2025/08/russia-trolls-us-giving-trump-envoy-medal[/URL]

[QUOTE]After the U.S. initiated a meeting with Putin to discuss ending the war in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin must have thought it would be hilarious to give the [b]Order of Lenin[/b], an award established [b]in the Soviet era for "meritorious services to the Soviet state and society"[/b] to a leading Trump administraton official. Steve Witkoff accepted it happily, seemingly oblivious to the insult that was obvious to everyone else.

Compounding Witkoff's diplomatic faux pas (before Trump, Steve Witkoff had zero diplomatic experience, a billionaire real estate developer instead), "Trump's special envoy, Witkoff, is said to have completely misunderstood some of the Russians' statements and misinterpreted them as a concession from Putin." So now, when Putin and Trump meet in Alaska next weekend, they won't even be talking about the same thing:

Source CBS News:
[Quote]Washington Russian President Vladimir Putin gave President Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff an award to pass along to a senior CIA official whose son was killed in Ukraine while fighting alongside Russian forces, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The award, the Order of Lenin, was meant to be handed off to Juliane Gallina, whose 21-year-old son, Michael Gloss, was killed in 2024.

Gallina is currently serving at the CIA as deputy director for digital innovation. It could not be immediately determined what was done with the award.

Multiple sources told CBS News that Putin gave Witkoff the award during his trip to Russia this week, which a Russian official said the U.S. initiated, to discuss ending the Ukraine war.

The gesture by Putin, known for mind games and attempts to expose adversaries' points of weakness, was likely meant to raise unhelpful questions and highlight that a CIA official's son fought for Russia in the war.[/quote]

But it gets worse. Much worse. From the German Bild:
[quote] According to BILD, even before the peace summit on August 15, the Kremlin did not deviate from its maximum demand of completely controlling the five Ukrainian regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, and Crimea before the guns fall silent. The Russian side only suggested "sectoral ceasefires" such as a mutual renunciation of attacks against energy facilities or major cities behind the front lines.

Under no circumstances, however, does Putin want a halt to Russia's major offensives along the front even though the US has proposed, in return, largely lifting sanctions against Russia and concluding new economic agreements. Trump even floated a "territory swap," which would allow Russia to retain parts of the occupied Donbas in exchange for relinquishing further territory ( which the Ukrainian president categorically rejected ).

Even worse: Trump's special envoy, Witkoff, is said to have completely misunderstood some of the Russians' statements and misinterpreted them as a concession from Putin. He misinterpreted Russia's demand for a "peaceful withdrawal" of Ukrainians from Kherson and Zaporizhia as an offer of a "peaceful withdrawal" by the Russians from these regions.

"Witkoff doesn't know what he's talking about," a Ukrainian government official told BILD. An assessment that, according to BILD information, is also shared by German government officials.[/quote]

So completely inept, the Ukrainians and the Germans threw up their hands in disgust at the sheer incompetence of it all.[/QUOTE]See, this is where Trump's real estate developer buddy and now Trump's envoy to serve Russian Russia Russia at all costs might have benefitted from watching that Kamala Harris video Trump presented at his Montana MAGA rally where she pointed out and explained some of these things important to know for numbskulls like Trump, his rally crowds and, well, Witkoff.

For starters, as Leader of the Free World before Trump abdicated that standing for America, Joe Biden never would have handed Trump's Master Puppeteer Putin concession after concession after concession during a supposed Peace "negotiation", much less even BEFORE the "negotiations" begin as numbskull Repub Trump and his numbskull Russia Russia Russia envoy has here.

And neither would Kamala Harris.

And neither would any other Dem.

But every Repub on the planet is climbing over every other Repub on the planet to get to Putin's dick and balls first and give him the blowjob they can only imagine, dream and fantasize Kamala Harris has ever given anyone.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3019939]LOL. The shit the media gets to bash Trump on is unreal. Venezuelan Little leaguers? How about all the people eating out of the trash in Venezuela? Or people whose whole families there have been killed or robbed? Just as a reminder, Bernie Sanders went to Venezuela and praised Huge Chavez and thought his form of socialism was a great idea.

On a scale of 1 to 1000 for things to be upset about with Trump, this is a minus three.[/QUOTE]That's just one example. Do you FDR and Truman were after kids playing ball? Give me a break. You guys cry and complain when people say anything about him that you don't like. I really enjoyed the last two episodes of South Park. What a petty dictator Trump is.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3019666]She could of skipped VP and coasted on her government check from the US Senate for the next 40 yrs lolol.

I have a few job suggestions, I'm not saying she is qualified for any of them? ...[/QUOTE]
[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yeah Right! ...As opposed to the billions, your grifting Fuhrer and his billionaire robber baron buddies, pickpocket from hardworking Americans, everyday!

[QUOTE=Combo;3019776]IMO she'd be successful on some vapid talk show. A better-looking version of Oprah.

It is amazing how someone that idiotic could make it to VP. To be bipartisan, it was amazing that George W. Bush made it to President. [/QUOTE]
The same was said about an idiotic actor, named Reagan. It was said that, he often looked befuddled on the job, even to have made it to top job. Only on many occasions to have his wife Nancy step in to rescue him.

There's a long standing argument that goes, it was really Nancy, that was in charge, and under "her tutelage", Ronnie's plans often, [i]"...blows harder than Nancy Reagan in the MGM backlot..." [b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3019787]Thank you for keeping it real. Incompetence comes in all color and is found in all political parties. [/QUOTE]
Agreed! However, MAGA incompetence, its own special kind of INCOMPETENCE!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3019839]Sure, she could show women how to be as successful as she was by working on their tongue muscles. In and out. In and out. No teeth ladies![/QUOTE]
Just as I'm sure, Trump's negotiating skills with Putin, is a great example to the MAGA menosphere, on how to pucker up and take the "butt-end" of bad deal, like a Champ (or is it Chump)...right! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[u]But seriously now...C'mon man!:[/u]

Under what delusion, or on what earth, or what dimensional reality are we talking about, [b][i]where VP Kamala Harris, isn't a simply a better candidate and president[/i][/b] than this mofo MAGA Fuhrer and his rap sheet listed below?:
[LIST]The 2x impeached, 4x indicted, criminal (guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records),[/LIST][LIST]led America's 1st insurrection (causing the several deaths and injuries to over 140 police officers),[/LIST][LIST]multiple time adultery and wife/marital cheat and "Access Hollywood" pussy-grabber with over 25 sexual misconduct and abuse allegations (including rape of E. Jean Carroll and was found liable, ordered to pay $88M),[/LIST][LIST]the 6x bankrupt idiot businessman, who couldn't make money from a casino and figured grifting MAGA suckers was better and more profitable,[/LIST][LIST]multiple violations of the U.S. Constitutions Emoluments Clause, by himself and son-in-law Jared Kushner, for the tune of billions, from the likes of Saudi Arabia, thereby turning the WH into a glorified cash register for dictators and despots,[/LIST][LIST]multiple civil fraud judgments (totaling $454M+ in penalties),[/LIST][LIST]called America's Hitler, by a spineless sycophant VP (and thinks it's a complement),[/LIST][LIST]voted arguably the WORST president in U.S. history,[/LIST][LIST]listed in the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (according to Musk) and the 15-year good friend to criminal convicted and 2x Child Sex Trafficker Jeffery Epstein,[/LIST][LIST]pardons and welfare tax-cuts and handouts, for insurrectionists, pedos (child sex traffickers--Oh it's coming soon) and billionaire robber barons, and[/LIST][LIST]a serial and pathological liar {...The Washington Post documented 30,573 false/misleading claims during his 1st presidency...} [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/[/url][/LIST]Let me be clear, the MAGA Fuhrer, is a morally bankrupt, legally compromised con man and grifter. [u]A convicted felon with a rap sheet longer than his list of failed businesses,[/u] he's a serial predator who dodges accountability like taxes and is a walking litigious cesspool.

From stiffing contractors, to "stiffing" women, all the while pickpocketing hardworking Americans, and ALWAYS leaves a trail of wreckage, where [i][b]"...everything he touches turns to shit...",[/b][/i] and yet all through the myriad of lies, falsehoods, conspiracies, [i][b]"gish gallop"[/b][/i] and corruption, the sucker QAnon/MAGA cult and Repubs, prostrates themselves, before this pathological liar, as if it were gospel, like doe-eyed choirboys led to the altar, unaware the jabbering sermon, was for their own funeral.

Yes, IMHO, just pathetic, to think otherwise! ...But for y'all MAGA suckers on Earth #2...sure why not?

[QUOTE=Spidy;3020028][i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yeah Right! ...As opposed to the billions, your grifting Fuhrer and his billionaire robber baron buddies, pickpocket from hardworking Americans, everyday!


The same was said about an idiotic actor, named Reagan. It was said that, he often looked befuddled on the job, even to have made it to top job. Only on many occasions to have his wife Nancy step in to rescue him.

There's a long standing argument that goes, it was really Nancy, that was in charge, and under "her tutelage", Ronnie's plans often, [i]"...blows harder than Nancy Reagan in the MGM backlot..." [b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]


Agreed! However, MAGA incompetence, its own special kind of INCOMPETENCE!


Just as I'm sure, Trump's negotiating skills with Putin, is a great example to the MAGA menosphere, on how to pucker up and take the "butt-end" of bad deal, like a Champ (or is it Chump)...right! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[u]But seriously now...C'mon man!:[/u]

Under what delusion, or on what earth, or what dimensional reality are we talking about, [b][i]where VP Kamala Harris, isn't a simply a better candidate and president[/i][/b] than this mofo MAGA Fuhrer and his rap sheet listed below?:
[LIST]The 2x impeached, 4x indicted, criminal (guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records),[/LIST][LIST]led America's 1st insurrection (causing the several deaths and injuries to over 140 police officers),[/LIST][LIST]multiple time adultery and wife/marital cheat and "Access Hollywood" pussy-grabber with over 25 sexual misconduct and abuse allegations (including rape of E. Jean Carroll and was found liable, ordered to pay $88M),[/LIST][LIST]the 6x bankrupt idiot businessman, who couldn't make money from a casino and figured grifting MAGA suckers was better and more profitable,[/LIST][LIST]multiple violations of the U.S. Constitutions Emoluments Clause, by himself and son-in-law Jared Kushner, for the tune of billions, from the likes of Saudi Arabia, thereby turning the WH into a glorified cash register for dictators and despots,[/LIST][LIST]multiple civil fraud judgments (totaling $454M+ in penalties),[/LIST][LIST]called America's Hitler, by a spineless sycophant VP (and thinks it's a complement),[/LIST][LIST]voted arguably the WORST president in U.S. history,[/LIST][LIST]listed in the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (according to Musk) and the 15-year good friend to criminal convicted and 2x Child Sex Trafficker Jeffery Epstein,[/LIST][LIST]pardons and welfare tax-cuts and handouts, for insurrectionists, pedos (child sex traffickers--Oh it's coming soon) and billionaire robber barons, and[/LIST][LIST]a serial and pathological liar {...The Washington Post documented 30,573 false/misleading claims during his 1st presidency...} [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/[/url][/LIST]Let me be clear, the MAGA Fuhrer, is a morally bankrupt, legally compromised con man and grifter. [u]A convicted felon with a rap sheet longer than his list of failed businesses,[/u] he's a serial predator who dodges accountability like taxes and is a walking litigious cesspool.

From stiffing contractors, to "stiffing" women, all the while pickpocketing hardworking Americans, and ALWAYS leaves a trail of wreckage, where [i][b]"...everything he touches turns to shit...",[/b][/i] and yet all through the myriad of lies, falsehoods, conspiracies, [i][b]"gish gallop"[/b][/i] and corruption, the sucker QAnon/MAGA cult and Repubs, prostrates themselves, before this pathological liar, as if it were gospel, like doe-eyed choirboys led to the altar, unaware the jabbering sermon, was for their own funeral.

Yes, IMHO, just pathetic, to think otherwise! ...But for y'all MAGA suckers on Earth #2...sure why not?[/QUOTE]MAGALoons always want to frame it as us normal and reasonable people claiming Biden is "sharp as a tack" or that Harris is "a genius".

But that isn't what we are claiming.

I am only accurately pointing out that Biden and Harris are both more lucid, well-informed, prepared and fit to serve as a successful President of the United States of America than Donald Trump or any other elected Repub.

And that doesn't require anyone to be more than normally intelligent and well-intentioned:

[B]Brent Molnar: Voice of Reason ~ "The Man-Child in Chief: Why Donald Trumps Behavior Isnt Just Alarming Its Clinical [/B]

[URL]https://brentmolnar.substack.com/p/the-man-child-in-chief-why-donald[/URL]

[QUOTE]At this point, calling Donald Trump a sociopath feels like stating water is wet. But throw that term around too loosely and people stop hearing it. So lets be precise. What if the erratic cruelty, the compulsive lying, the open disdain for rules and empathy its not just some quirky political branding. What if its a documented, diagnosable pattern? Because it is. And understanding it might be the first real step toward protecting whats left of American democracy.

Sociopathy officially known as Ant****ial Personality Disorder (****) isnt some cartoonish label you slap on a villain. Its a well-defined clinical condition. It starts early, often appearing in childhood as conduct disorder aggression, deceit, a lack of remorse and fully emerges in adulthood as a complete disregard for others, rules, and basic morality. Its not about being mean. Its about being wired to harm without guilt.

Trumps entire life fits that arc. His father, a distant real estate baron who valued dominance over decency. His mother, emotionally unavailable. A home life that trained him not in compassion, but in conquest. And what we see nowwhat weve always seen isnt a break from that past. Its the fulfillment of it. Trump isnt unwell because of power. He got power because he was unwell in a way that ruthless systems reward.

Look at the checklist: No remorse for pain caused? Check. Disregard for laws, norms, and human dignity? Check. Chronic lying, even when it gains him nothing? Bullying those beneath him, worshipping those above? All boxes checked. And still, millions confuse his behavior for strength. In reality, its a toddler in a suit with the nuclear codes and a permanent grudge.

The tragic twist? Authoritarians and autocrats abroad have figured this out. Trumps second-term travel itinerary is a map of manipulation. NATO leaders learned: flatter him, and hell do whatever you want. Putin knew it. So did MBS. So does Musk. His emotional development stopped sometime before junior high, and it shows. If you coddle the ego, you get the policy.

But lets not sugarcoat this: Trumps inner circle is now filled with people just like him. Not sober adults with institutional memory or democratic instincts but fellow man-babies with vendettas, fragile egos, and no ethical guardrails. And when developmentally stunted men hold real power, they dont just throw tantrums. They break countries.

Were already seeing it. Arresting political opponents. Threatening judges. Openly demanding revenge. Surrounding himself with yes-men willing to torch institutions to stay in his good graces. This isnt just a moral collapse its a psychological time bomb.

So what do we do? First, call it what it is. Trumps behavior isnt eccentric. Its pathological. Then we build movements not just to oppose policies, but to inoculate ourselves against this style of politics. Because this isnt just about Trump. Its about a system that rewards ant****ial traits and mistakes immaturity for strength.

We need voters to stop falling for tough-guy cosplay. We need to educate people about what this kind of psychological profile actually looks like and why its disqualifying, not admirable. We need to rebuild civic life around empathy, truth, and shared responsibility. And we need to do it fast."[/QUOTE]

Remember this waste of time and tax-payer's money?

Apparently, none of the "sharp as a tack genius" Repubs in the Senate can cobble together so much as one iota of evidence that President Joe Biden was ever "brain dead", didn't know who he was, didn't know what he was doing, didn't know what he was saying, couldn't walk, couldn't talk or any of the other bullshit Trump and all the other MAGALoons threw around about him.

Not one iota.

Seems to me that would be a pretty damn easy thing to prove within about 15 minutes, much less 3 whole months.

[B]Republicans uncover no new intel on Biden during hearing on his cognitive abilities in office.[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-uncover-new-intel-biden-hearing-cognitive-abilities/story?id=122971024[/URL]

Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. A total bust.

Even the money-grab books written about it have not cited one conclusive bit of evidence for the claim beyond a single moment in a debate where Biden's lifelong stutter issue manifested itself quite normally for a man of advanced age with that particular verbal tick when he transposed a couple of words at the end of a sentence.

Meanwhile, a review of that debate today would remind us that Biden understood every nuance, detail and subtext of every question and answered each one with intelligence and purpose while Trump obviously had no idea what the topic of most questions was and resorted to clumsily answering several of them with the same response having nothing to do with the question at all. Lolol.

I guarantee you at this very moment Joe Biden knows who pays tariff taxes on imports to the USA, which makes him more intelligent, lucid, cognitively capable and fit to serve as POTUS right now than Trump, every elected Repub and anyone else who did not vote for Kamala Harris in 2024.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3019996]That's just one example.[/QUOTE]No, that is just another example of you Democratic trying to outdo yourselves on bashing Trump. Here is another stupid one: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY[/URL].

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3019996]You guys cry and complain when people say anything about him that you don't like.[/QUOTE]Okay, Mr. Alinsky, you douches ran an entire campaign on Kamala not being Trump. Who was she? No one knew. You Democrats literally have no policies outside of bashing Trump.

I have issues with how Trump handled the budget and I was worried about his getting us into a war with Iran. Other Republicans were highly critical of Trump on tariffs. There is marked disagreement often in the Republican party and that is how Democracy is supposed to work.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3019996]I really enjoyed the last two episodes of South Park. What a petty dictator Trump is.[/QUOTE]And here we go again, Mr. Alinsky. If Trump were a dictator, those last two episodes would not have been aired. You accuse us of being brainless and cult like and then you post shit like this which shows you are the one in the cult.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3019984]Including links from CBS News and German Bild:

[B]Putin Trolls U.S. By Giving Trump Envoy Medal Meant For CIA Official.
The award, the Order of Lenin, was meant to be handed off to Juliane Gallina, whose 21-year-old son, Michael Gloss, was killed in 2024, fighting for Russia against Ukraine.[/B]

[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2025/08/russia-trolls-us-giving-trump-envoy-medal[/URL]

See, this is where Trump's real estate developer buddy and now Trump's envoy to serve Russian Russia Russia at all costs might have benefitted from watching that Kamala Harris video Trump presented at his Montana MAGA rally where she pointed out and explained some of these things important to know for numbskulls like Trump, his rally crowds and, well, Witkoff.

For starters, as Leader of the Free World before Trump abdicated that standing for America, Joe Biden never would have handed Trump's Master Puppeteer Putin concession after concession after concession during a supposed Peace "negotiation", much less even BEFORE the "negotiations" begin as numbskull Repub Trump and his numbskull Russia Russia Russia envoy has here.

And neither would Kamala Harris.

And neither would any other Dem.

But every Repub on the planet is climbing over every other Repub on the planet to get to Putin's dick and balls first and give him the blowjob they can only imagine, dream and fantasize Kamala Harris has ever given anyone.[/QUOTE]Trump was offered prostitutes by Putin years ago and Putin has video, so Trump has to DT him with his balls in Putin hand. I worry for Ukraine, because of senile Trump, when he condemned Crimea invasion by Putin while his first election, but can only suck Putin since months now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3020064]No, that is just another example of you Democratic trying to outdo yourselves on bashing Trump. Here is another stupid one: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY[/URL].

Okay, Mr. Alinsky, you douches ran an entire campaign on Kamala not being Trump. Who was she? No one knew. You Democrats literally have no policies outside of bashing Trump.

I have issues with how Trump handled the budget and I was worried about his getting us into a war with Iran. Other Republicans were highly critical of Trump on tariffs. There is marked disagreement often in the Republican party and that is how Democracy is supposed to work.

And here we go again, Mr. Alinsky. If Trump were a dictator, those last two episodes would not have been aired. You accuse us of being brainless and cult like and then you post shit like this which shows you are the one in the cult.[/QUOTE]So, you don't have a problem with Trump dispatching the number 2 official from the DOJ to coddle a convicted sex trafficker of teenage girls who also raped them with Epstein? Yeah, lets send her to more upscale "prison" in Texas to make life easier for her while you ponder giving her a pardon.

Stop this cover-up!

For the 2nd time Donald J. Trump has gone to War Against America on American Soil based on one of his now 35,000+ lies.

The first time was based on his lie about the 2020 election being stolen from him. It wasn't.

This latest Trump's War Against America is based on his lie that the Nation's Capitol is rampant with crime. It isn't. In fact, crime is down in the City, has been declining since crime began to spike up dramatically under Trump during his previous term as has crime all around the country and the City is now not even in the top 20-25 most "crime-ridden" cities in the country.

Trump simply loves War.

Trump loves taking America to War.

Trump loves keeping America involved in Wars, as he did for every hour of every day of his previous term with the War in Afghanistan.

This is another unnecessary Trump War.

It should never have happened.

It wouldn't have happened if Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or any other Dem had been President.

This is Trump's War Against America, not theirs. Actually, it's his 2nd War Against America.

[B]'This Will Go Further: Trump Puts D.C. Police Under Federal Control and Deploys National Guard, Warns Other Cities May Be Next.
Aug. 11, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://time.com/7308788/trump-washington-dc-national-guard/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Trump's deployment of the National Guard in Washington, D.C. is a rare use of military forces on U.S. soil and a potential violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that restricts the military from being used as a police force for domestic law enforcement. During racial justice protests in June 2020, Trump sent uniformed National Guard troops to Lafayette Park in front of the White House to help clear the park of protestors. Earlier this summer, Trump ordered nearly 5,000 National Guard troops to the Los Angeles area to quell immigration protests and protect federal agents.

Data show that violent crime in the nations capital is down significantly from a peak in 2023. But Trump paints a different picture. Trump described Washington as one of the most dangerous cities anywhere in the World in a post on Truth Social Saturday. On Sunday, Trump wrote, Im going to make our Capital safer and more beautiful than it ever was before. The Homeless have to move out, IMMEDIATELY. We will give you places to stay, but FAR from the Capital.[/QUOTE]

[B]The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways[/B]

[B]Hoover Dam[/B] - [I]Established in 1902, the Bureau of Reclamation is best known for the dams, powerplants, and canals it constructed in the 17 Western states throughout the 20th Century[/I].

The [B]Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)[/B]: [I] is a federally owned electric utility corporation in the United States[/I].

Individuals need to brush up on their history. This idea the USGOV cannot do anything is being pushed by the MAGAs who lack of intelligence. They are parroting the far right hate speech funded by Billionaires. The Billionaires want to sow discontent and disunity among my fellow citizens in order to place them deeper economic servitude and control than they already are.

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3020113]So, you don't have a problem with Trump dispatching the number 2 official from the DOJ to coddle a convicted sex trafficker of teenage girls who also raped them with Epstein? Yeah, lets send her to more upscale "prison" in Texas to make life easier for her while you ponder giving her a pardon.

Stop this cover-up![/QUOTE]Of course, Elvis 2008, has no problem with the MAGA Fuhrer's puppeted DOJ, coddling up to pedo child sex offenders, since he's on record, staunchly sympathizing and defending the "alleged" pedo sex offender, Matt Gaetz, who ran and hid, from the House Ethics Committee, that assuredly no doubt would have led to a proper 2nd DOJ investigation, into his criminal sex trafficking activities.

And BTW, don't get him started, on his defense of MAGA Sec.Def. Pete Hegseth, as yet another idiot drunk, misogynist white supremacist DEI hire and drunk rapist, hiding behind a paid hush money NDA, of his tortured rape victim.

[b]PS:[/b] The MAGA Fuhrer's DOJ, is now ferociously (no doubt), [u]looking for a legal loophole, to "pardon"[/u] said child sex trafficker (Ghislaine Maxwell), that was just sent to that upscale "prison" in Texas.

[b]Fun Fact:[/b] Ghislaine Maxwell's father and Trump in the 1980s, were business acquaintances and rivals. Robert Maxwell, a British business titan [i][b]revealed to be a crook and a fraud [/b][/i] after his death in 1991. [url]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-transfer-minimum-security_n_6890df9be4b04bba7f793746[/url] Why does that not surprise me? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3020113]So, you don't have a problem with Trump dispatching the number 2 official from the DOJ to coddle a convicted sex trafficker of teenage girls who also raped them with Epstein?[/QUOTE]By trafficking, I assume you mean coercing women to have sex for money. Yeah, I can see how outraged someone like you who posts on this site would be about that. Maxwell was convicted in federal court, and there is no federal law against prostiution or a federal age of consent. So how was Maxwell raping women? Isn't rape one person overpowering another?

And there is the stupid Matt Gaetz thing again. Some 17 and a half year old hooker who has sold herself to many guys before Gaetz lied to Gaetz about her age. Yes, she is such a sweet innocent child doing porn now. I guess you are a soy boy like Spidy excusing any kind of female wrong doing. My God, we have another porn star victim like Stormy Daniels!

And speaking of porn star victims, the real hypocrisy with this is the Traci Lords example. If you whacked off to her at all, you are a pedophile. Even if you did it and did not know she was 16, well, you should have known. But even after it was known she was 16, her vidoes are still sold in Europe. So if you whacked off to her in Europe, you are fine. But if you whacked off to her in the USA, you are a pedophile. And the notion of Traci Lords as an innocent child is ROTFLMAO funny.

And Epstein got a first sweeheart deal because the USA prosecutor was told he was an intelligence asset. If this really was about young women being abused, where is the outrage for the intellience agencies? Hmmm? Oh wait, ithre is none! So it is just more stupid Trump bashing. Yes, the Texas floods were Trump's fault too. You guys should get TDS tatoos.

It is funny how the Epstein uproar has quieted down now since the Russiagate file release has ended. Gee, I wonder why that is.

Do you know what fools you guys are making of yourselves when you are johns and you all get upset about rule of law especially when it comes to sexual rule of law?

Trump said it not once but twice.

Sure, if Biden ever said that once or even just started to say "Russ" before immediately correcting it, the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media would have again terrified Dem political campaign donors into pulling all donations from the Democratic Party campaigns. And Fux News would be demanding Biden resign and take Harris with him so ChristoFascist Mike can take over due to Biden being so obviously incapable of handling a meeting with Putin. LOL.

But as long as it is seriously cognitively incapacitated Repub Donald Trump, that one and a thousand others even worse from Trump that Biden has never ever ever exhibited are just shrugged off and forgiven. Lolol.

They are really looking forward to more horrific Repub-generated headlines about the economy and national security to sell over the next few years.

[B]'Im going to Russia: Trump appears to forget Alaska is in US as he frets over facing Putin.
Aug. 12, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://ca.news.yahoo.com/m-going-russia-friday-trump-154228543.html[/URL]

Maybe he slipped a tell in there about a plan to give Alaska back to Russia Russia Russia in exchange for all re-sell rights to the pee tape.

Since his first term and right up to today, no so-called potus has worked harder to defund the police than that most beloved Repub Party Icon of All Icons, Donald Trump.

[B]Trump decries crime rates, but his administration has slashed prevention efforts.
Aug. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-decries-crime-rates-but-his-administration-has-slashed-prevention-efforts[/URL]

[QUOTE]President Trump moved to take over policing in Washington, D.C. to rescue our nations capital from crime," but the data doesnt back up many of his claims. Murder and violent crime dropped significantly across the U.S. last year, a trend thats continued so far in 2025. [B]The crackdown comes even as his administration cut funding for other kinds of crime prevention work. [/b]John Yang reports.[/QUOTE][B]Donald Trump is defunding the police.
He's proposed cuts in budget after budget, and is holding up needed fiscal aid.
June 16, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/6/16/21286669/donald-trump-is-defunding-the-police[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3019737]And here we go again. You think the California high speed rail program and Biden's electric gas station program was money well spent. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps you did not read where I mentioned, the reason the Nepalese are so successful at reaching an EV penetration, essentially from 0% to 76% passenger and 50% light commercial vehicles, in less than 5 years, largely comes down to their [i][b]"conviction" and "will power"[/b][/i] from the coordinating gov't, business and municipal regulatory agencies involved, due to geo-eco-political outside forces, mainly from a "petrostate bully" in their 2015 fuel dispute/crisis with India.

The California High Speed Rail (California HSR or CHSR) project is certainly an interesting case study. As far as the CHSR project goes, IMHO, is like what's happening in many places around the world, when it comes to deciding are these large scales projects worth it?

Look no further, than the gov't and energy industry's [i][b]"granddaddy of all boondoggles",[/b][/i] ...building large scale [u][b]nuclear[/b] power plants and SMRs.[/u] I'm sure you'll see, the many parallels that exist between the two large scale projects, and yet nuclear power plants, despite many of its well know (and documented) follies, still get built, as a necessary evil, so to speak.

In the end, are these large scale projects and their inevitable cost overruns, right-of-way, regulatory hurdles, time, energy and political capital to fight with gov't/state/municipal and local regulatory governing bodies and NIMBYism, ...does still make it, WORTH IT to build?

Now it would be unfair to compare China's HSR program to that of U.S.'s HSR. So I won't, 'cause we all know how that comparison would go.

But perhaps, Elvis 2008, you should ask yourself, [i][b]"Why the Texas HSR project, is heading down the same boondoggle road as CHSR?"[/b][/i] You'd have thought they'd learnt from CHSR?
[LIST]With the Texas HSR budgets ballooning from $10 billion to $41 billion (and no longer seen as just a "private" endeavor), with very little headway made, w/r to regulatory hurdles and right-of-way secured (just like CHSR), is this yet another example that America should REALLY JUST leave HSR, to those that can build HSR systems, at [i][b]$17 - $21 million/km[/b][/i] vs. $178 million/km (in California/ Texas)?

[b]Trump officials cut planning grant for Texas high-speed rail between Dallas and Houston[/b]
[url]https://www.texastribune.org/2025/04/14/texas-high-speed-rail-planning-grant-cut/[/url][/LIST]So without the type of [i][b]"Nepalese conviction"[/b][/i] that I spoke of earlier, under your Fuhrer's "drill-baby-drill" and "do nothing" administration, ya think Texas's HSR $40+ billion (and climbing) dollar project, will be money will spent?

[b]P.S.[/b] The California HSR project, also has the unfortunate specter, of being built mostly during the years of your MAGA Fuhrer's regime.

Like the elephant that sits in the room you consistently fail to address that the sun does not always shine nor the wind always blow. There for you need a base input into the grid of 40% to keep it stable.

Comparing building a heavy rail project and an energy project of any type is a useless. There is hostility toward big government projects these days. Privatize everything and let business handle it. That is the mantra of the MAGA numbskulls.

What that simply means is the government is selling of its assets and forgoing a system where it can create those that I uniquely suited to the government. Governments and individuals are going into debt to the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B].

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3020643]Perhaps you did not read where I mentioned, the reason the Nepalese are so successful at reaching an EV penetration, essentially from 0% to 76% passenger and 50% light commercial vehicles, in less than 5 years, largely comes down to their [i][b]"conviction" and "will power"[/b][/i] from the coordinating gov't, business and municipal regulatory agencies involved, due to geo-eco-political outside forces, mainly from a "petrostate bully" in their 2015 fuel dispute/crisis with India.

The California High Speed Rail (California HSR or CHSR) project is certainly an interesting case study. As far as the CHSR project goes, IMHO, is like what's happening in many places around the world, when it comes to deciding are these large scales projects worth it?

Look no further, than the gov't and energy industry's [i][b]"granddaddy of all boondoggles",[/b][/i] ...building large scale [u][b]nuclear[/b] power plants and SMRs.[/u] I'm sure you'll see, the many parallels that exist between the two large scale projects, and yet nuclear power plants, despite many of its well know (and documented) follies, still get built, as a necessary evil, so to speak.

In the end, are these large scale projects and their inevitable cost overruns, right-of-way, regulatory hurdles, time, energy and political capital to fight with gov't/state/municipal and local regulatory governing bodies and NIMBYism, ...does still make it, WORTH IT to build?

Now it would be unfair to compare China's HSR program to that of U.S.'s HSR. So I won't, 'cause we all know how that comparison would go..[/QUOTE]

Every time Trump lies about Russia Russia Russia being a "hoax" he adds to the only gift of something that actually belonged to America that any president has ever given Putin.

Neither Georgia, Crimea nor Ukraine was land that belonged to America before Putin invaded them.

However, America's credibility and standing as the premier intel source of the World, was something of real and tangible value that DID belong to America, hard fought and won over decades of blood, lives, sweat, tears and money spent to earn it.

Trump handed that to Putin on a silver platter in Helsinki 7 years ago. Publicly. Openly. Stupidly. Embarrassingly. In exchange for absolutely nothing for America. Maybe Trump got a vague private commitment from Putin to someday authorize putting the name "Trump" on the outside of a building in Moscow other people designed and built. Who knows.

But America got zero, zip, nada, nothing for it.

Trump only compounds that unrequited Love Gift to Putin every time he lies and refutes the overwhelming evidence gathered by those premier intel sources in the World, assessed and concluded to be anything but a "hoax" even by Repub-led Congressional Hearings that Putin / Russia wanted Trump to win the 2016 election and directed officials to the task of making that happen.

What the World witnessed today in Trump's continued public sucking, blowing, sucking, blowing, sucking and swallowing with a big gulp and a smile of Putin by Trump in this latest session tells us everything we need to know about why Putin would not have wanted to distract from that immeasurable win on the World stage during Trump's 1st term by invading another country and forcing Trump to stop sucking, blowing, sucking and swallowing with a smile long enough to think about it or choose a side.

[B]Trump rolls out the red carpet for Putin and adds a limo ride.
President Donald Trump rolled out the red carpet for Russian leader Vladimir Putin at the start of their summit in Alaska.
Aug. 16, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-rolls-red-carpet-putin-adds-limo-ride-124695295[/URL]

One thing that became clear to me with time was not that the woman as victim narrative was being played just by women. I think government does all it can to promote the female victim narrative for its own self interest.

When Epstein was first prosecuted, the USA attorney gave Epstein a sweetheart deal because he was told that Epstein was an intelligence asset. Doesn't that sound like the kind of shit our CIA would do? Use a guy like Epstein to entrap the rich and powerful with underage women? When you look at his history, he has ties to everyone in government. It is hilarious.

And now that Trump and Tulsi Gabbard are giving the CIA and FBI the shaft, they have tried to float the idea Trump was in bed with Epstein when I bet you those CIA fuckers funded and created Epstein.

The most outspoken Epstein "victim" was a now deceased woman named Virginia Giuffre. This is from her wiki page:

Giuffre stated that after Maxwell introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein, the two quickly began grooming her to provide sexual services under the guise that she was to be trained as a professional massage therapist.

You see that term grooming?

Now look at the paragraph above it: Later she was abused by a sex trafficker, Ron Eppinger, in Miami. Giuffre lived with Eppinger for approximately 6 months. Eppinger reportedly ran a front business for international sex trafficking known as the modeling agency "Perfect 10". He was raided by the FBI and later pleaded guilty to charges of alien smuggling for prostitution, interstate travel for prostitution, and money laundering.

She was already a hooker before Epstein!

In her interview with the BBC, Giuffre said she was "passed around like a platter of fruit" to Epstein's powerful associates, and taken around the world on private jets.

The poor hooker is being "abused" on private jets! She was forced into this terrible lifestyle!

In September 2002, at the age of 19, Giuffre flew to Thailand and attended the International Training Massage School. Maxwell provided her with tickets to travel to Thailand, and instructed her to meet with a specific Thai girl to bring her back to the United States for Epstein.

While at the massage school in Thailand in 2002, she met Robert Giuffre, an Australian martial arts trainer, and the two married quickly thereafter. She contacted Epstein and informed him that she would not be returning as planned.

Hey Jeffrey, I met a guy. Sorry about lying to you about getting that girl and no, fuck you I am not paying you back for the plane ticket! And we are supposed to believe that she was forced into this hooker life?

In January 2022, unsealed documents revealed that the settlement amount of the 2009 case, entitled Jane Doe No. 102 vs. Jeffrey Epstein, was $500,000 (equivalent to $733,000 in 2024) and other unspecified "valuable consideration". As a result of Giuffre's allegations and Maxwell's comments about them, Giuffre sued Maxwell for defamation in federal court in New York in September 2015. After much legal confrontation, the case was settled under seal in June 2017 with Maxwell reportedly paying Giuffre "millions". She alleged Epstein paid her $15,000 after she had sex with the Duke in London. The settlement with Prince Andrew was an estimated £12 million, part of which went to SOAR (Speak Out, Act, Reclaim).

Speak out, act, reclaim? Yeah, you were a street walker who was then carted around the world via private jet, paid thousands per trick, meeting real life princes, and then made tens of millions in settlement money. I think there are more women who want to live this woman's life than not.

And this is her at 17:[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/15/virginia-giuffre-prince-andrew-picture-settlement-lawsuit[/URL].

She looks pretty damned thrill to be meeting the prince to me.

And she was abused. First, there was the family friend, then abused on the streets, then abused by her pimp boyfriend, then abused by Epstein and Maxwell, then abused by Prince Andrew, and then finally she met the love of her life, and she had children with him. And she lived happily ever after right?

Nah, she claimed her husband abused her. She then got a divorce and killed herself.

And she is not even just a benign gold digger. [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14961895/Virginia-Giuffre-consummate-liar-Ghislaine-Maxwell-brother.html[/URL].

The brother of Ghislaine Maxwell has insisted Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre is a 'consummate liar' who 'destroyed countless lives' - including that of Prince Andrew.

In an interview this morning Mr Maxwell said he 'sheds no tear' for Ms Giuffre, who killed herself in April at the age of 41.

He insisted Virginia Giuffre was a 'consummate liar from start to finish'.

This is where the CIA wants you to be in this rule of law crap where Prince Andrew is this pedophile and Giuffre is an innocent victim. Get the fuck out of here!

When did women who are known hookers get to be portrayed as victims in nonviolent sex crimes?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3020716][b]Nepalese believe in their government! My fellow citizens do not! [/b]

Like the elephant that sits in the room you consistently fail to address that the sun does not always shine nor the wind always blow. There for you need a base input into the grid of 40% to keep it stable.[/QUOTE]
As for the "elephant in the room", tell that to South Australia (SA) and Great Britain (GB), even China and California to a lesser degree, who have rewritten how they grids are formed and operate, and have [i]"flipped the switch"[/i] on this [i][b]"fossil fuel baseload" fallacy[/b][/i]. As of today, both SA and GB, have renewables supplies of 75%-80% and 80% (respectively) of annual demand, with gas peaker plants and interconnectors, used only as backup during rare peaks or when renewables dip.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3020716]Comparing building a heavy rail project and an energy project of any type is a useless. There is hostility toward big government projects these days. Privatize everything and let business handle it. That is the mantra of the MAGA numbskulls. [/QUOTE]

While your opening post's headline and closing statements, nicely incorporates the correct sentiment of my post, this statement (above) get it all twisted. The Nepalese vs. California comparison was NEVER about comparing projects, but more so about comparing the fortitude of their [i][b]"conviction" and "will power",[/b][/i] of gov'ts and governing bodies to get the project done, given the various political climates that they both operate in. [i](ie. [b]Electrostate vs. Petrostate:[/b] Nepalese Conviction vs. American Backsliding Hubris?)[/i]

So while I disagree, it may or may not be "useless" to compare a HSR project with a energy project (depending on specifics), the California HSR project serves as good foil/comparison for the Texas HSR [u]and a reminder for Elvis 2008,[/u] that it wasn't just California, that seem to have fallen to this trap of cost over runs, delays and mismanagement, when it comes to HSR in America.

Or that maybe, it's the symptom of a bigger problem, one in which I think you've commented on, numerous times...including in your opening and closing statements.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3020996]Every time Trump lies about Russia Russia Russia being a "hoax" he adds to the only gift of something that actually belonged to America that any president has ever given Putin. ...

What the World witnessed today in Trump's continued public sucking, blowing, sucking, blowing, sucking and swallowing with a big gulp and a smile of Putin by Trump in this latest session tells us everything we need to know about why Putin would not have wanted to distract from that immeasurable win on the World stage during Trump's 1st term by invading another country and forcing Trump to stop sucking, blowing, sucking and swallowing with a smile long enough to think about it or choose a side.

[B]Trump rolls out the red carpet for Putin and adds a limo ride.
President Donald Trump rolled out the red carpet for Russian leader Vladimir Putin at the start of their summit in Alaska.
Aug. 16, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-rolls-red-carpet-putin-adds-limo-ride-124695295[/URL][/QUOTE]

Given that the outcome was [i][b]"...it's now up to the Ukraine",[/b][/i] you have wonder what was the point of said meeting, if the Ukraine was NEVER going to be present, in the Alaska negotiations? As yet again, the MAGA Fuhrer, took it from Putin, after assuming, "the usual position"!

Was the said Alaska junket, really just...?:[LIST]
[b]A.[/b] More ridiculous political Putin-Trump theater?

[b]B.[/b] A well timed nice distraction, w/r to taking questions from the MAGA suckers, regarding his involvement with the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF)? And Pam Bondi's botching up matters even more?

[b]C.[/b] Yet another excuse to waste millions in taxpayers money, only to hypocritically crow about how DOGE is saving meaningless and pitiful few millions?

[b]D.[/b] Putin wanting good old special [i]"American presidential service"[/i] again, like the good days back in Russia and Helsinki?

[b]E.[/b] All of the above

[b]Answer:[/b] E (...although there are no wrong answers, on this question!)[/LIST]Yes, "the MAGA presidential servicing" of Putin, that excluded the Ukraine and Zelenskyy, has now infamously turned the summit into a punchline, about [i]"solving"[/i] a war by ignoring the victim.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021509]As for the "elephant in the room", tell that to South Australia (SA) and Great Britain (GB), even China and California to a lesser degree, who have rewritten how they grids are formed and operate, and have [i]"flipped the switch"[/i] on this [i][b]"fossil fuel baseload" fallacy[/b][/i]. As of today, both SA and GB, have renewables supplies of 75%-80% and 80% (respectively) of annual demand, with gas peaker plants and interconnectors, used only as backup during rare peaks or when renewables dip.[/QUOTE]You do realize that all you did was confirm what I said was correct. I will stipulate to your numbers.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021509]gas peaker plants and interconnectors[/QUOTE]Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there are not powered by fossil fuels. I am glad technology has allowed for a lower [U]base load[/U] demand.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021509]So while I disagree, it may or may not be "useless" to compare a HSR project with a energy project (depending on specifics), the California HSR project serves as good foil/comparison for the Texas HSR and a reminder for Elvis 2008,that it wasn't just California, that seem to have fallen to this trap of cost over runs, delays and mismanagement, when it comes to HSR in America.[/QUOTE]The only thing this reminds me of is how every time you Democratic are pinned down, you turn to the "what about?" game. So California's HSR is a fucking joke. California taxpayers paid $10 billion for it, and federal taxpayers chipped in $4 billion more and not one fucking mile of track has been built.

But what about Texas? The Texas rail project was set up by a private Japanese consortium and they not taxpayers lost $250 million on the deal before selling it off. Of course, that did not stop Biden from throwing more money away, and he poured $64 million down the drain with, and this cracks me up, a "feasibility study". Trump comes into office and wisely cancels it.

The end of your link asks the question, "Can private industry do high speed rail in Texas? And the answer is probably. If the answer is not yes, it should not be built.

Of course, being a lying Democratic douche, you leave out the other red state of Florida. Florida citizens pass a law demanding high speed rail. The feds want to pour in money and Republican governor Rick Scott says no. Democratic douches were going to take him to court and sue for him to take the money, but he refuses, and they back down. Private industry steps in and smartly builds cheap high speed rail and Florida has high speed rail from Miami to Orlando now.

You rant on and on about billionaires and how evil they are, and California pisses $14 billion down the drain, and it is crickets.

If you look at these three examples and conclude more taxpayer money needs to be spent on HSR, you are nuts, but everyone knows how crazy you are anyway.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3020996]Every time Trump lies about Russia Russia Russia being a "hoax" he adds to the only gift of something that actually belonged to America that any president has ever given Putin.

Neither Georgia, Crimea nor Ukraine was land that belonged to America before Putin invaded them.

However, America's credibility and standing as the premier intel source of the World, was something of real and tangible value that DID belong to America, hard fought and won over decades of blood, lives, sweat, tears and money spent to earn it.

Trump handed that to Putin on a silver platter in Helsinki 7 years ago. Publicly. Openly. Stupidly. Embarrassingly. In exchange for absolutely nothing for America. Maybe Trump got a vague private commitment from Putin to someday authorize putting the name "Trump" on the outside of a building in Moscow other people designed and built. Who knows.[/QUOTE]My God, that is a load of verbal diarrhea even for you Loony Tooms. The way I am reading things is Trump has got the framework for a deal and is getting the Europeans and Ukraine to agree to it, and it has the potential to stop all this endless killing.

Of course, being a Democratic, you want the killing to go on.

Shit, Trump could find a cure for cancer, and you would still find something to gripe about.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021554]My God, that is a load of verbal diarrhea even for you Loony Tooms. The way I am reading things is Trump has got the framework for a deal and is getting the Europeans and Ukraine to agree to it, and it has the potential to stop all this endless killing.

Of course, being a Democratic, you want the killing to go on.

Shit, Trump could find a cure for cancer, and you would still find something to gripe about.[/QUOTE][B]Russia pounds Ukraine ahead of Zelensky White House meeting.
Amid renewed Russian missile attacks, Zelensky and European leaders pushed Trump on security guarantees for Ukraine.[/B]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/08/18/ukraine-russia-zelensky-trump-meeting/[/URL]

[B]Russian Attacks Kill 14 in Ukraine, Hours Before Zelensky Visits White House.[/B]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/18/us/russia-attacks-kharkiv-zaporizhzhia-ukraine.html[/URL]

Real World Leaders of other countries came along to try to set a tone for an intelligent meeting without the total shitstorm of crap results Trump blithered and blathered into before.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021518]Given that the outcome was [i][b]"...it's now up to the Ukraine",[/b][/i] you have wonder what was the point of said meeting, if the Ukraine was NEVER going to be present, in the Alaska negotiations? As yet again, the MAGA Fuhrer, took it from Putin, after assuming, "the usual position"!

Was the said Alaska junket, really just...?:[LIST]
[b]A.[/b] More ridiculous political Putin-Trump theater?

[b]B.[/b] A well timed nice distraction, w/r to taking questions from the MAGA suckers, regarding his involvement with the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF)? And Pam Bondi's botching up matters even more?

[b]C.[/b] Yet another excuse to waste millions in taxpayers money, only to hypocritically crow about how DOGE is saving meaningless and pitiful few millions?

[b]D.[/b] Putin wanting good old special [i]"American presidential service"[/i] again, like the good days back in Russia and Helsinki?

[b]E.[/b] All of the above

[b]Answer:[/b] E (...although there are no wrong answers, on this question!)[/LIST]Yes, "the MAGA presidential servicing" of Putin, that excluded the Ukraine and Zelenskyy, has now infamously turned the summit into a punchline, about [i]"solving"[/i] a war by ignoring the victim.[/QUOTE]Yes, Trump makes a total crap mess of everything and then hands it off to Zelensky with "it's up to him to get it done".

The same way Trump made a total crap mess of a surrender to the Talaban in Afghanistan, agreed to release 5,000 America-hating jihadists into the country, one of which strapped a suicide bomb vest on to kill 13 of our military personnel in an attack that was judged later to have been "unpreventable" given the circumstances Trump set up, including giving the Talaban full control of security and time tables, and then he passed the only difficult part of it to Biden to "get it done".

It is the Classic Repub Pattern; create a shitsorm of crap results, pass it on to the incoming Dem to clean it up and take all the heat for the inevitable pain of inflation or deficit spending to pull us out of it, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

And this bit about Trump / Repubs declaring Blue cities with 30-50 year low crime rates "hellholes of out-of-control crime" is the flip side of the Classic Repub Pattern; see the trajectories heading in the exact right direction thanks to Dem policies and stewardship and rush in with some utterly useless, counterproductive plan and then take undeserved credit for where Dems were already taking it! Until the new Repub policies drive it right back to their usual total crap shitstorm of results. Lolol.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021554]My God, that is a load of verbal diarrhea even for you Loony Tooms. The way I am reading things is Trump has got the framework for a deal and is getting the Europeans and Ukraine to agree to it, and it has the potential to stop all this endless killing.

Of course, being a Democratic, you want the killing to go on.

[B]Shit, Trump could find a cure for cancer, and you would still find something to gripe about.[/b][/QUOTE][B]Trump honored a cancer survivor. The boy's doctors now face his budget cuts.
President Donald Trump honored a child cancer survivor during his joint address to Congress. Medical school faculty who helped treat him are facing potentially devastating federal funding cuts.
March 8, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2025/03/08/trump-nih-cuts-baylor-college/81625680007/[/URL]

[B]Cancer experts alarmed over gut-wrenching Trump plan to cut research spending by billions.
More people will die due to White Houses plans to slash nearly $2.7bn from National Cancer Institute, workers warn.
June 26, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/26/cancer-research-trump-nci-cuts-plan[/URL]

Seriously. You can relax in your bizarre concern about what I or anyone else would think if Trump "found a cure for cancer".

Or even if he took perfectly normal steps NOT to lay the groundwork for, usher in and exacerbate any opportunistic deadly viral spread into a Pandemic he can dig up.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021554]My God, that is a load of verbal diarrhea even for you Loony Tooms. The way I am reading things is Trump has got the framework for a deal and is getting the Europeans and Ukraine to agree to it, and it has the potential to stop all this endless killing.

Of course, being a Democratic, you want the killing to go on.

Shit, Trump could find a cure for cancer, and you would still find something to gripe about.[/QUOTE]Well, that is it in a nutshell. Radical leftie communists like Bob would prefer to see another couple of hundred thousand dead in the fighting as long as they can try to blame it on President Trump. They offer no alternative, viable solutions. Can you imagine Kamel face doing anything about the war except sending a couple hundred billion more to Ukraine to continue the blood bath. The problem with the Biden / Kamel face plan, if you even want to call it a plan, is that eventually the Russian army will break thru the Ukraine's front lines and take over the entire country. Putin, the war criminal, doesn't care how many lives are destroyed in the process of conquering the Ukraine. Meanwhile Trump's plan is the best plan, the only plan, unless you are willing to send American or Nato troops into the battle zone to fight the Russian Army.

The only remaining question is whether Putin go along with the plan or not. If he rejects the plan the onus is entirely on Putin. President Trump stands ready and willing to break the back of the Russian economy (the stick) if Putin does not agree to the deal which would also include Article "5" Nato type security guarantees with European troops stationed in the Ukraine to prevent any subsequent Russian attacks which is similar to the arrangement that has kept the peace on the Korean Peninsula since 1952. (Technically North and South Korea are still at war.).

Even Hillary agrees that if President Trump pulls this thing off, he will deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. 555/ KKK.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3021607]Trump honored a cancer survivor. The boy's doctors now face his budget cuts.
President Donald Trump honored a child cancer survivor during his joint address to Congress. Medical school faculty who helped treat him are facing potentially devastating federal funding cuts.[/QUOTE]So along with the pandemic and Texas floods, we can add cancer to your list of things that are Trump's fault. How about why STDs and obesity are Trump's fault too?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021669]Even Hillary agrees that if President Trump pulls this thing off, he will deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. 555/ KKK.[/QUOTE]He would deserve it for sure. Thing is you wonder if Hiliary is saying that to stay out of jail. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021697]So along with the pandemic and Texas floods, we can add cancer to your list of things that are Trump's fault. How about why STDs and obesity are Trump's fault too?

He would deserve it for sure. Thing is you wonder if Hiliary is saying that to stay out of jail. LOL.[/QUOTE]I blame the people who could have but did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 for the 1 million American deaths, the millions of jobs wiped out, school and business closures, spike in inflation m, etc from Trump's Pandemic.

Trump was a known and obvious America-hating, Know Nothing conman back then as much as now. So he can't help producing crap results. It's the only thing he is capable of doing.

It was his voters who are really to blame for his Worst President in History Results.

Just as it will be those who could have but did not vote for Kamala Harris who will deserve the blame for every cancer death that could have been averted if not for Trump defunding the research and facilities necessary to avert them. And for the 23% increase in the cost of many products Americans buy. And the fact that the average price of a gallon of regular gas stopped declining dramatically and steadily as soon as Trump started promising his high tariffs if he got elected. And so on.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021522]You do realize that all you did was confirm what I said was correct. I will stipulate to your numbers.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't think I did! I think we just see "baseload" differently, given I don't really apply the term to "renewable grids."

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021522]Please don't insult my intelligence and [b]tell me there are not powered by fossil fuels.[/b] I am glad technology has allowed for a lower [U]base load[/U] demand.[/QUOTE]

The SA and GB grids are [b]mainly[/b] powered by renewables, with fossil fuel inputs, used as peaker plants, to fill-in with demand spikes or high demand periods.

Renewable grids, like SA and GB, consider the fossil fuel industry's "baseload" as an outdated terminology, that doesn't necessarily apply to a modern grid with a high penetration of renewables, batteries, and smart management systems, that can be just as reliable as the old "baseload" model grids.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021732]The SA and GB grids are [B]mainly[/B] powered by renewables, with fossil fuel inputs, used as peaker plants, to fill-in with demand spikes or high demand periods.[/QUOTE]I will stipulate to the above statement. Your original post said 20% powered by fossil fuels. So, by saying [B]mostly[/B] you continue to make my point. Renewables can be used to power a HUGE portion of a grid. But not all. FACTS!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3021732]Renewable grids, like SA and GB, consider the fossil fuel industry's "baseload" as an outdated terminology, that doesn't necessarily apply to a modern grid with a high penetration of renewables, batteries, and smart management systems, that can be just as reliable as the old "baseload" model grids.[/QUOTE]Take the fossil fuel inputs out of the loop and see what happens.

[B]Learn how to take a win Spidy. You are arguing semantics.[/B] I am stating reality. Remember I run my own personal electrical grid and I do the exact same thing. I have gasoline powered generator back up when Solar fails to charge my batteries to sufficient capacity for my use case.

[B]Case Closed![/B]

Now care to tell me how any of this is applicable to the Dis-United States of America. I country who nether has the political will not support of the population to switch from being location where the majority of power generated by [I]fossel fuels[/I] to one that is mostly powered by [I]renewables[/I]. The Dis-United States of America received a tremendous oil shock in the 70's and did nothing about it then. They do not face the same immediate consequences now. So what makes you think anything is going to change. MAGA from Texas saying nothing good can be done in the government. All the while praising the MAGA executives in charge of states and the federal government why saying those who do not think like him are idiots.

Meanwhile the MAGA from Texas fails to recognize that the current cold civil war (about to turn hot) that driven mostly by wealth inequality and the middle class losing their assets.

[B]Tax wealth not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021551]Of course, being a lying Democratic douche, you leave out the other red state of Florida. [/QUOTE]Yeah, Florida costs were kept low, by using existing rail corridors. This is not the case in California HSR or Texas HSR, for a proper comparison.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021551]But what about Texas? The Texas rail project was set up by a private Japanese consortium and they not taxpayers lost $250 million on the deal before selling it off. ... The feds want to pour in money and Republican governor Rick Scott says no. [/QUOTE] Yeah, now that the Japanese have high-tailed it outta Dodge, due to the delays, dysfunctional progress and budgetary mismanagement, the Texas HSR project fiasco, is now looking to the feds and taxpayers, to bankroll a major part the project. [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]


[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021551]If you look at these three examples and conclude more taxpayer money needs to be spent on HSR, you are nuts, but everyone knows how crazy you are anyway.[/QUOTE]To answer your question, look no further, than the gov't and energy industry's [I][b]"granddaddy of all boondoggles",[/b][/I]...building large scale nuclear power plants and SMRs, and you can decide for yourself, just like HSR, does the [I]"...end justify the means"[/I] and are these big projects, WORTH IT!!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3021584]Yes, Trump makes a total crap mess of everything and then hands it off to Zelensky with "it's up to him to get it done"...

[b]It is the Classic Repub Pattern; create a shitsorm of crap results,[/b] pass it on to the incoming Dem to clean it up and take all the heat for the inevitable pain of inflation or deficit spending to pull us out of it, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

And this bit about Trump / Repubs declaring Blue cities with 30-50 year low crime rates "hellholes of out-of-control crime" is the flip side of the Classic Repub Pattern; see the trajectories heading in the exact right direction thanks to Dem policies and stewardship and rush in with some utterly useless, counterproductive plan and then take undeserved credit for where Dems were already taking it! [b]Until the new Repub policies drive it right back to their usual total crap shitstorm of results. Lolol.[/b][/QUOTE]
Absolutely True!

Speaking of [I]"Classic Repub Pattern; create a shitsorm of crap results,"[/I] checkout this [U][b]must watch[/b][/U] (or listen to, while you work) video!

[B]How the U.S. Just Handed the Renewable Future to China[/B] (17 min. with Undecided with Matt Ferrell). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tNp2vsxEzk[/URL]

Watch/listen for the first 1 minute (if you're not convinced), as to why (as many of us here at ISG already know), the One BBB and it's "drill-baby-drill" mantra and energy policies, will no doubt have America backsliding again under the MAGA Fuhrer's 2.0 clown shit-show admin.

[B]P.S.:[/B] Couldn't, help but cry laughing, when someone in the comments section, wrote:[LIST]
[i][b]"I've played enough Civ to know that neglecting the Tech Tree isn't the best move." [/b][/i] { ... "Civ" = The popular video game called Civilization ... } [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/LIST]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021669]Well, that is it in a nutshell. Radical leftie communists like Bob would prefer to see another couple of hundred thousand dead in the fighting as long as they can try to blame it on President Trump. They offer no alternative, viable solutions. Can you imagine Kamel face doing anything about the war except sending a couple hundred billion more to Ukraine to continue the blood bath. The problem with the Biden / Kamel face plan, if you even want to call it a plan, is that eventually the Russian army will break thru the Ukraine's front lines and take over the entire country. Putin, the war criminal, doesn't care how many lives are destroyed in the process of conquering the Ukraine. Meanwhile Trump's plan is the best plan, the only plan, unless you are willing to send American or Nato troops into the battle zone to fight the Russian Army.

The only remaining question is whether Putin go along with the plan or not. If he rejects the plan the onus is entirely on Putin. President Trump stands ready and willing to break the back of the Russian economy (the stick) if Putin does not agree to the deal which would also include Article "5" Nato type security guarantees with European troops stationed in the Ukraine to prevent any subsequent Russian attacks which is similar to the arrangement that has kept the peace on the Korean Peninsula since 1952. (Technically North and South Korea are still at war.).

Even Hillary agrees that if President Trump pulls this thing off, he will deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. 555/ KKK.[/QUOTE]What happened to Trump ending the war on day 1 We are still waiting!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021669]The only remaining question is whether Putin go along with the plan or not.[/QUOTE]Trump is not POTUS. [B]He is puppet of the Russian Federation[/B]! Trump is taking his marching orders from Putin.

[B]Just watch![/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021814]Trump is not POTUS. [B]He is puppet of the Russian Federation[/B]! Trump is taking his marching orders from Putin.

[B]Just watch![/B][/QUOTE]If he isn't, he might as well be since the crap results he has been producing with his involvement is worse than anything Kamala would have produced even if she had done nothing more than continuing Biden's clear and steady support for Ukraine and democracy until Putin ran out of troops, breath and a pulse and for a relative pittance in America's budget.

But that is definitely not the way it has gone with Trump. Putin has escalated his attacks and war crimes under Trump. And some of it done apparently just to troll Trump for being such a gullible numbskull.

LOL. Trump actually thinks a phone call to one of the parties telling them they should "stop the killing", the same kind of call many nation leaders make, means he "stopped 6-7 wars" when every credible Factcheck reveals that idiotic claim to be Mostly False and would be Pants on Fire False if he hadn't been just one of many others making those same phonecalls. LOL.

Brazil exports more agricultural products to China than the Dis-United States of America due to tariffs. Is that good for my fellow citizens who feed the nation. Are MAGA health freaks that don't eat?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021814]Trump is not POTUS. [B]He is puppet of the Russian Federation[/B]! Trump is taking his marching orders from Putin.

[B]Just watch![/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, the whole world is watching. I know you hate Trump, but let's see what happens. I hope Trump is successful because it will save hundreds of thousands of lives, but everything is contingent on Putin who we all know is a murdering psychopath with thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal. [B]Here is my criterion for success:[/B].

A) Putin does not accept a cease fire, but Trump retaliates by shipping more advanced offensive weaponry to Ukraine and by cutting off all western finance and banking to Russia in an effort to cripple the Russian economy and cause a palace coup. This is the big stick approach.

B) Putin agrees to a cease fire which is then followed up with a strong and resolute Article "5" Nato type security guarantee which includes European troops stationed on the ground near the frontlines in Ukraine to deter any future Russian attacks.

C) I will conclude that the whole thing was a huge fucking waste of time or worse, a "failure", if one of these two events a) or b) does not occur.

A lot is riding on this, but like I said, it all comes down to Putin, and nobody knows what this murdering lunatic will do including launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine. He is capable of anything.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021971]Yeah, the whole world is watching. I know you hate Trump, but let's see what happens. I hope Trump is successful because it will save hundreds of thousands of lives, but everything is contingent on Putin who we all know is a murdering psychopath with thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal. [B]Here is my criterion for success:[/B].

A) Putin does not accept a cease fire, but Trump retaliates by shipping more advanced offensive weaponry to Ukraine and by cutting off all western finance and banking to Russia in an effort to cripple the Russian economy and cause a palace coup. This is the big stick approach.

B) Putin agrees to a cease fire which is then followed up with a strong and resolute Article "5" Nato type security guarantee which includes European troops stationed on the ground near the frontlines in Ukraine to deter any future Russian attacks.

C) I will conclude that the whole thing was a huge fucking waste of time or worse, a "failure", if one of these two events a) or b) does not occur.

A lot is riding on this, but like I said, it all comes down to Putin, and nobody knows what this murdering lunatic will do including launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine. He is capable of anything.[/QUOTE]I guess you are what they call a RINO the DNC is bleeding registered voters, so I'm sure they will welcome you over there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3021719]I blame the people who could have but did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 for the 1 million American deaths, the millions of jobs wiped out, school and business closures, spike in inflation m, etc from Trump's Pandemic.

Trump was a known and obvious America-hating, Know Nothing conman back then as much as now. So he can't help producing crap results. It's the only thing he is capable of doing.

It was his voters who are really to blame for his Worst President in History Results.

Just as it will be those who could have but did not vote for Kamala Harris who will deserve the blame for every cancer death that could have been averted if not for Trump defunding the research and facilities necessary to avert them. And for the 23% increase in the cost of many products Americans buy. And the fact that the average price of a gallon of regular gas stopped declining dramatically and steadily as soon as Trump started promising his high tariffs if he got elected. And so on.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-disappearing-democratic-party-voter/[/URL]

My Favorite Jew at NYT wrote yesterday that Our Lord and Savior and MAGA are using Mustard Gas on the "Democrats".

We have destroyed the DNC, the GOP, the Deep State, the corrupt American Media, RIP MSNBC LMFAO, the EU and the CCP.

Anyone else want to step up, bring it on.

Alhamdulillah you evil America hating dirtbags!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3021551]The only thing this reminds me of is how every time you Democratic are pinned down, you turn to the "what about?" game. So California's HSR is a fucking joke. California taxpayers paid $10 billion for it, and federal taxpayers chipped in $4 billion more and not one fucking mile of track has been built.

But what about Texas? The Texas rail project was set up by a private Japanese consortium and they not taxpayers lost $250 million on the deal before selling it off. Of course, that did not stop Biden from throwing more money away, and he poured $64 million down the drain with, and this cracks me up, a "feasibility study". Trump comes into office and wisely cancels it.

The end of your link asks the question, "Can private industry do high speed rail in Texas? And the answer is probably. If the answer is not yes, it should not be built.

Of course, being a lying Democratic douche, you leave out the other red state of Florida. Florida citizens pass a law demanding high speed rail. The feds want to pour in money and Republican governor Rick Scott says no. Democratic douches were going to take him to court and sue for him to take the money, but he refuses, and they back down. Private industry steps in and smartly builds cheap high speed rail and Florida has high speed rail from Miami to Orlando now.

You rant on and on about billionaires and how evil they are, and California pisses $14 billion down the drain, and it is crickets.

If you look at these three examples and conclude more taxpayer money needs to be spent on HSR, you are nuts, but everyone knows how crazy you are anyway.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/08/18/gavin-newsom-flip-flops-on-oil-wants-more-production-to-avoid-8-gal-prices/[/URL]

Because I don't look like him (the people he likes) and I am not rich.

Giving ANY land to the Russian Federation is a [B]F[/B] if I am grading. If Ukraine has to give up land, so does Israel. If the Ukraine wants to continue to fight, then the Dis-United States of America should have their back.

[B]Period! Full Stop![/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021738]I will stipulate to the above statement. Your original post said 20% powered by fossil fuels. So, by saying [B]mostly[/B] you continue to make my point. Renewables can be used to power a HUGE portion of a grid. But not all. FACTS!
...

[B]Learn how to take a win Spidy. You are arguing semantics. [/B] ...

[B]Case Closed![/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah...No! And I don't think it's semantics either!

What you want to call [b]"baseload",[/b] and apply it to fossil fuels that makeup a smaller percentage (ie. 5% - 30%) of the energy-mix, [u]in a renewables grid[/u], [b]is a misnomer.[/b]

You seem to conflate, [i]"a renewables grid"[/i] with that of a [i]"traditional fossil fuel grid",[/i] and treat them as "one grid", I do not. They are two differently powered and operated grids.

The term "baseload", is associated with traditional fossil fuel grids, that need "baseload" generated power, typically from either a nuclear, gas or coal powered plants, running 24/7. In a renewables grid, input energy sources, aren't required to run 24/7, to produce a so called "40% baseload" power, like traditional grids.

Once again, a renewables grid, is a flexible grid, primarily made up of clean-energy inputs, of intermittence power (ie. S+W+B) and can also include, smaller amounts of dispatchable fossil fuels inputs, for backup, filling-in the intermittent gaps, and essentially turned on, only when needed (ie. Peaker plants) when demand peaks.

[b]Note:[/b] No one said a renewables grid, has to be 100% renewables, for it be called a renewables grid.

So going back to your original comment about [i]"...the elephant in the room...",[/i] when it comes to a renewables electricity grid, as is the case with SA, there is NO "elephant in the room" or "lower baseload", except on the traditional fossil fuel grids, where term "baseload" does apply.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3021738] Take the fossil fuel inputs out of the loop and see what happens.

...I am stating reality. Remember I run my own personal electrical grid and I do the exact same thing. I have gasoline powered generator back up when Solar fails to charge my batteries to sufficient capacity for my use case.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you what happens when you [i][b]take your rooftop solar out of the equation[/b][/i]...one big expensive "baseload" gasoline 24/7 running generator. Point being, the role of your fossil fuel generator is a backstop, not as a primary energy input, just like the fossil fuels in SA's renewables grid.

That said, if you buildout enough solar and added extra batteries, you'd definitely be able to ditch your fossil fuel gasoline generator.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021971]Yeah, the whole world is watching. I know you hate Trump, but let's see what happens. I hope Trump is successful because it will save hundreds of thousands of lives, but everything is contingent on Putin who we all know is a murdering psychopath with thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal. [B]Here is my criterion for success:[/B].

A) Putin does not accept a cease fire, but Trump retaliates by shipping more advanced offensive weaponry to Ukraine and by cutting off all western finance and banking to Russia in an effort to cripple the Russian economy and cause a palace coup. This is the big stick approach.

B) Putin agrees to a cease fire which is then followed up with a strong and resolute Article "5" Nato type security guarantee which includes European troops stationed on the ground near the frontlines in Ukraine to deter any future Russian attacks.

C) I will conclude that the whole thing was a huge fucking waste of time or worse, a "failure", if one of these two events a) or b) does not occur.

A lot is riding on this, but like I said, it all comes down to Putin, and nobody knows what this murdering lunatic will do including launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine. He is capable of anything.[/QUOTE]Your idiot senile Trump just wants Zelensky accept what Putin wants and Ukraine being again robbed by criminal Putin and then by USA, when Europe give money to Ukraine to pay USA and support Ukraine not to accept when your clown DT suck Putin on red carpet, MAGA USA sucking Russia which have weak army, not able to defeat poor Ukraine in 3 years and half, but only to kill women and children. As always, USA make business with this war.

Putin wants to occupy the entire Ukraine outright or control it as a satellite state of Russia with a Moscow certified puppet government in place. I think President Trump, Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Australia will oppose this move with an economic / financial blockade of Russia. I could be wrong. We shall see.

But I have two questions for you: 1) where were you politically speaking when Putin attacked and conquered the Crimea under Barry's watch? 2) and where were you politically speaking when Putin attacked Ukraine the 2nd time IE the present war under Biden's watch?

Did you criticize Barry's foreign policy at the time? Obama did nothing. Did you criticize Biden's foreign policy at the time? Biden's ineptitude gave Putin the opening and confidence to launch the 2nd campaign.

In all fairness, Putin 1st invaded peaceful, tiny Georgia in August 2008 under Bush, the younger's, watch and Bush did nothing. I bet you criticized Bush at the time of the Georgian invasion. I see a pattern, but I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3022085]Your idiot senile Trump just wants Zelensky accept what Putin wants and Ukraine being again robbed by criminal Putin and then by USA, when Europe give money to Ukraine to pay USA and support Ukraine not to accept when your clown DT suck Putin on red carpet, MAGA USA sucking Russia which have weak army, not able to defeat poor Ukraine in 3 years and half, but only to kill women and children. As always, USA make business with this war.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022039]I guess you are what they call a RINO the DNC is bleeding registered voters, so I'm sure they will welcome you over there.[/QUOTE]I don't see you point. Are you saying the US and Nato should do nothing and just let Putin take over the Ukraine? Yeah, I am opposed to that! The Ukrainians did not start this war. They are a brave people, and we should help them defend themselves as much as we can.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3022076]Giving ANY land to the Russian Federation is a [B]F[/B] if I am grading. <snip> If the Ukraine wants to continue to fight, then the Dis-United States of America should have their back. [B]Period! Full Stop![/B][/QUOTE]You and I are not that far apart. Trump is NOT pushing for a peace treaty which recognizes Putin's occupation of Crimea or Eastern Ukraine. I would oppose that 100%. He wants a cease fire and an end to the bloodbath. After which the Ukraine gets modernized and heals, and eventually Putin dies or is killed, and a real peace treaty which returns to the Ukraine ALL of its stolen land is agreed to.

The alternative, to keep fighting, means a couple of hundred thousand dead every year with the most likely end game scenario that Russia will eventually break thru the front lines and win the war outright.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3022139]I don't see you point. Are you saying the US and Nato should do nothing and just let Putin take over the Ukraine? Yeah, I am opposed to that! The Ukrainians did not start this war. They are a brave people, and we should help them defend themselves as much as we can.

You and I are not that far apart. Trump is NOT pushing for a peace treaty which recognizes Putin's occupation of Crimea or Eastern Ukraine. I would oppose that 100%. He wants a cease fire and an end to the bloodbath. After which the Ukraine gets modernized and heals, and eventually Putin dies or is killed, and a real peace treaty which returns to the Ukraine ALL of its stolen land is agreed to.

The alternative, to keep fighting, means a couple of hundred thousand dead every year with the most likely end game scenario that Russia will eventually break thru the front lines and win the war outright.[/QUOTE]Personally, and I think what Trump and Nato have been doing all along, is to make sure we get paid for all the weapons and supplies sold to Ukraine whether they defeat Russia or Not. A cold way to look at it, but what a tremendous waste if we don't get paid and large swaths of Ukraine are lost. And it always takes two to tango. I think Russia is mostly to blame, but Ukraine knew from day one that if it ever tried to align itself with the west this was a possibility. Now, Ukraine has always been front line fodder for Russia's wars and a source of cheap labor for Russian infrastructure projects, so it's no surprise they would try to flee the influence and grasp of Russia the first chance they got with the fall of the Soviet Union. But you must also put blame on Ukraine's politicians running their government, because USA and NATO are the ones footing the bill and it's our gas prices rising from these sanctions. Ukraine and these other Republic's fight for Independence is what caused the Soviet downfall in the first place, of course Russia will seek some sort of retaliation a generation or two later if it benefits them economically. These leaders in Ukraine knew that and they pushed their agenda anyway. I am not saying they are justified, I am just saying if you slap a man in the face, don't be shocked when he slaps you back. So even though it's horrible this war is going on and I am happy our leaders are trying to end it, I am hope behind closed doors the orange giant is making deals with Russia on our behalf so America doesn't go broke because Ukraine played their cards horribly against Russia.

How many Ukrainians dead? Was it worth it? This is why Trump took that harsh stance against Zelensky, who BTW has such a shady background, please read how this guy got elected president in the first place. He was a fucking actor! Probably planted by CIA to win election to get Ukraine support for a stronger alliance with NATO. That is a stretch I know, but wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Everyone should also understand, Russia controls the largest treasure chest in the world with the amount of territory they can extract natural resources from. Their land / population ratio is very small compared to western nations / NATO and they know it. The west / NATO already brought down the Soviet Union once and weakened the east, in part for cheaper energy prices / access to that treasure chest. From the perspective of a Russian, when Ukraine violates these treaties to never join NATO, its an extreme provocation and they would rather die in battle than lose more land to the west. Again, I am not saying they are justified, I am just saying Zelensky and Ukraine knew this all along and do have some blame in this war that I am paying for it with my taxes. It could potentially cost a tax payer thousands of dollars after this is all said and done. Fuck no, I am not paying thousands of dollars of my money over some stupid politics in Ukraine. What has Ukraine ever done for USA besides ask hand outs?

This all sounds bad, but USA is not world police and that is not where I want my money to go. I want my tax dollars in my pocket. After we fund this war, what's the next war we have to pay for because everybody knows the good old USA will always do the right thing and fund a war against an evil tyrant? So I am for ending the war and I don't want to see anyone die, but if that means Ukraine has to lose territory, well that's what happens when you play your cards against Russia the way they did.

Trump's Agenda in order.

1. End the dying on both sides.

2. Get paid for weapons sold.

3. Eventually lift sanctions to lower costs for consumers.

4. Depend the freedom of sovereign Nations from aggressors. Last on the list, right where it should be.

No matter what political party you are in USA, this is the policy that benefits you the most. And of course this is just my opinion. I am not the expert, but from what I have seen this is my best guess on this topic.

I see a lot of revisionist history being tossed around by the usual suspects here lately:

"Obama did nothing" in response to Russia's invasion of Crimea?

[B]Donald Trump misleads on Russia, Crimea, Obama and the G-8[/B]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-misleads-russia-crimea-obama/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Trumps statement is "a very odd way of thinking about Crimea and the United States role in Ukraine," said Susanne Wengle, a political scientist at the University of Notre Dame. "It is highly misleading and factually incorrect. The U.S. exercised a certain influence among certain Kiev and Ukrainian politicians how much and whom is disputed but the U.S. never had Crimea."[/QUOTE][B]AP FACT CHECK: Trump distorts Obama-Biden aid to Ukraine[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-donald-trump-ap-fact-check-barack-obama-981ef7feb11053c1340a9d028d6f357b[/URL]

[QUOTE]By March 2015, the Obama administration had provided more than $120 million in security aid for Ukraine and promised $75 million worth of equipment, including counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Defense Department. The U.S. also pledged 230 Humvee vehicles.

The U.S. aid offer came after Putin in 2014 annexed Crimea and provided support for separatists in eastern cities.

Ultimately between 2014 and 2016, the Obama administration committed more than $600 million in security aid to Ukraine.

In the last year of the Obama administration, the U.S. established the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which provided U.S. military equipment and training to help defend Ukraine against Russian aggression. From 2016 to 2019, Congress appropriated $850 million for this initiative.

The Trump administration in 2017 agreed to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, later committing to sell $47 million in Javelins.

[B]But two years later, Trump delayed the release of congressionally approved security assistance for Ukraine as part of an effort to pressure Ukraine to announce an investigation of his political rival, Joe Biden. The matter was part of Trumps 2020 impeachment trial.[/b][/QUOTE][B]Obama Announces Sanctions to Punish Russia For Crimea Invasion.
The sanctions are the most comprehensive placed on Russia since the Cold War.[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-announces-sanctions-punish-russia-crimea-invasion/story?id=22939730[/URL]

Guess who tried to secretly abandon those tough sanctions?

[B]Senate Democrats launch investigation into Trumps pause of Russia sanctions.[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5384194-democrats-investigate-trump-russia-sanctions/[/URL]

The same orange potus who blew Putin many more times than that for invading Crimea:

[B]37 times Trump was soft on Russia.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Trump suggested Russia can keep Crimea[/b]
Trump said Putin did an amazing job of taking the mantle when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, The people of Crimea, from what Ive heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.

[B]Trump aides softened GOP platform on Ukraine[/b]
Ahead of the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump campaign aides blocked language from the party platform that called for the US government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine for its war against Russian proxies. Mueller investigated this for potential collusion but determined the change was not made at the behest" of Russia. (The Trump administration ultimately gave lethal arms and anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainian military.)
..........
[B]Trump transition undermined Russian sanctions[/b]
After the 2016 election, the Trump transition team asked Russia not to retaliate too strongly against new US sanctions imposed by then-President Barack Obama. The sanctions were intended to punish Russia for interfering in the election, but then-Trump aide Michael Flynn asked the Russian ambassador not to escalate the situation so they could have a good relationship once Trump took over.

[B]Trump was open to lifting Russian sanctions[/b]
Days before his inauguration, Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he was open to lifting sanctions on Russia. He said: If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebodys doing some really great things? Putin has tried for years to persuade the US and European countries to end crippling sanctions on Russias economy.[/QUOTE]Those are just some of the blowjobs Trump gave Putin with regards to the tough military aid and sanctions Obama imposed on Russia for invading Crimea. Check out that link for many more blowjobs Trump gave Putin on other issues.

Not only did Obama not "do nothing" in response to Russia invading Crimea, but the blowjobs Trump gave Putin FOR invading Crimea as well as for many other attacks on our and other democracies tells us everything we need to know for why Putin didn't have to bother shedding any Russian blood in order to get his Trump Puppet to serve up his Anti-American, Democracy-destroying agenda on a silver platter.

Talk about giving Putin "the opening and confidence to launch a 2nd campaign"! Except it wasn't a matter of "ineptitude" on Trump's part. It was clearly Trump's determination to fulfill that murderous dictator Putin's wishes due to them both sharing the same World view and ambitions.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022171]Personally, and I think what Trump and Nato have been doing all along, is to make sure we get paid for all the weapons and supplies sold to Ukraine whether they defeat Russia or Not. A cold way to look at it, but what a tremendous waste if we don't get paid and large swaths of Ukraine are lost. And it always takes two to tango. I think Russia is mostly to blame, but Ukraine knew from day one that if it ever tried to align itself with the west this was a possibility. Now, Ukraine has always been front line fodder for Russia's wars and a source of cheap labor for Russian infrastructure projects, so it's no surprise they would try to flee the influence and grasp of Russia the first chance they got with the fall of the Soviet Union. But you must also put blame on Ukraine's politicians running their government, because USA and NATO are the ones footing the bill and it's our gas prices rising from these sanctions. Ukraine and these other Republic's fight for Independence is what caused the Soviet downfall in the first place, of course Russia will seek some sort of retaliation a generation or two later if it benefits them economically. These leaders in Ukraine knew that and they pushed their agenda anyway. I am not saying they are justified, I am just saying if you slap a man in the face, don't be shocked when he slaps you back. So even though it's horrible this war is going on and I am happy our leaders are trying to end it, I am hope behind closed doors the orange giant is making deals with Russia on our behalf so America doesn't go broke because Ukraine played their cards horribly against Russia.

How many Ukrainians dead? Was it worth it? This is why Trump took that harsh stance against Zelensky, who BTW has such a shady background, please read how this guy got elected president in the first place. He was a fucking actor! Probably planted by CIA to win election to get Ukraine support for a stronger alliance with NATO. That is a stretch I know, but wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Everyone should also understand, Russia controls the largest treasure chest in the world with the amount of territory they can extract natural resources from. Their land / population ratio is very small compared to western nations / NATO and they know it. The west / NATO already brought down the Soviet Union once and weakened the east, in part for cheaper energy prices / access to that treasure chest. From the perspective of a Russian, when Ukraine violates these treaties to never join NATO, its an extreme provocation and they would rather die in battle than lose more land to the west. Again, I am not saying they are justified, I am just saying Zelensky and Ukraine knew this all along and do have some blame in this war that I am paying for it with my taxes. It could potentially cost a tax payer thousands of dollars after this is all said and done. Fuck no, I am not paying thousands of dollars of my money over some stupid politics in Ukraine. What has Ukraine ever done for USA besides ask hand outs?

This all sounds bad, but USA is not world police and that is not where I want my money to go. I want my tax dollars in my pocket. After we fund this war, what's the next war we have to pay for because everybody knows the good old USA will always do the right thing and fund a war against an evil tyrant? So I am for ending the war and I don't want to see anyone die, but if that means Ukraine has to lose territory, well that's what happens when you play your cards against Russia the way they did.

Trump's Agenda in order.

1. End the dying on both sides.

2. Get paid for weapons sold.

3. Eventually lift sanctions to lower costs for consumers.

4. Depend the freedom of sovereign Nations from aggressors. Last on the list, right where it should be.

No matter what political party you are in USA, this is the policy that benefits you the most. And of course this is just my opinion. I am not the expert, but from what I have seen this is my best guess on this topic.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-francis-nato-cause-ukraine-invasion-russia/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops[/URL]

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David Brooks.

The Rise of Right-Wing Nihilism.

Aug. 21,2025, 5:00 pm ET.

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Democratic friends, let's try a thought experiment. Imagine you woke up one morning and all your media sources were produced by Christian nationalists. You sent your kids off to school and the teachers were espousing some version of Christian nationalism. You turned on your sports network and your late-night comedy, and everyone was preaching Christian nationalism.

That's a bit how it feels to be more conservative in the West today — to feel drenched by a constant downpour of progressive sermonizing. What would you do in such circumstances? Well, at least at first, you'the probably grit your teeth and take it while silently seething.

In 2018, I happened to watch the Super Bowl at a sports bar in West Virginia. President Trump was about a year into his first term, and the corporate advertising world was churning out ads with vaguely progressive messages. I watched the guys in the bar sort of hunch over, grim-faced, their body language saying: This is the crap we have to put up with to watch a football game.

The next year I helped organize a conference of people building local communities. We made sure that at least 30 percent of the participants were from red states. But during our discussions, the progressives in the room seemed to assume that everybody there thought like them. They dominated the conversation and left almost no space for other opinions. I watched the red-state folks just hunch over. For three days they barely spoke.

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This progressive / conservative disconnect — which is also, frequently, an elite / non-elite disconnect — is a problem across the West. For reasons I don't fully understand, educated elites are more socially progressive than non-elites.

The German economist Laurenz Guenther studied survey data across 27 European countries. He found that members of parliament were not more progressive than the general public on economic issues, but they tended to be significantly more progressive on social issues. This was true across nearly all countries, on nearly all cultural issues, among nearly all establishment parties. Guenther writes that populist parties are rising because they fill the gaps that the establishment parties are not representing.

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Most of us, when you put us in an environment with a stifling political orthodoxy, just learn to cope. Forest Romm and Kevin Waldman are psychology researchers at Northwestern University. They conducted 1,452 confidential interviews with undergrads at Northwestern University and the University of Michigan.

They found that an astounding 88 percent of the students said they pretended to be more progressive than they are in order to succeed academically or socially. More than 80 percent of the students said they submitted class work that misrepresented their real views in order to conform to the progressive views of the professor. Many censored their own views on cultural issues — on gender and family issues, for example.

Northwestern and Michigan are not exactly hot houses of wokeness, but these interviews suggest that many, if not most, students feel compelled to publicly lie in order to conform to progressive orthodoxy, even while privately questioning it.

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Other people, of course, don't just cope; they rebel. That rebellion comes in two forms. The first is what I'll call Christopher Rufo-style dismantling. Rufo is the right-wing activist who seeks to dismantle the. E. I. And other culturally progressive programs. I'm 23 years older than Rufo. When I was emerging from college, we conservatives thought we were conserving something — a group of cultural, intellectual and political traditions — from the postmodern assault.

But decades later, with the postmodern takeover fully institutionalized, people like Rufo don't seem to think there's anything to conserve. They are radical deconstructors. In a 2024 dialogue between Rufo and the polemicist Curtis Yarvin, published by the magazine I'm-1776, Rufo acknowledged, "I am neither conservative by temperament nor by political ambition: I want to destroy the status quo rather than preserve it. " This is a key difference between old-style conservatism and Trumpism.

But there's another, even more radical reaction to progressive cultural dominance: nihilism. You start with the premise that progressive ideas are false and then conclude that all ideas are false. In the dialogue, Yarvin played the role of nihilist. He ridiculed Rufo for accomplishing very little and for aiming at very little with his efforts to purge this university president or that one.

"You are just pruning the forest," Yarvin said dismissively. He countered that everything must be destroyed: In general, Yarvin is a monarchist, but in this dialogue he played a pure nihilist. One version of nihilism holds that the structures of civilization must be destroyed, even if we don't have anything to replace them with. He argued that all of America has been a sham, that democracy and everything that has come with it is based on lies.

The Rufo / Yarvin dialogue was sent to me by a friend named Skyler Adleta. Skyler had a rough childhood but has worked his way up to become an electrician and is now a project manager for a construction firm. He lives in southern Ohio, in a community that is mostly Trump-supporting. He himself generally supports the president. I know him because he is also a fantastic writer who contributes to Comment, the magazine my wife edits.

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Skyler told me that in his community he is watching many people lose faith in the Rufo method and make the leap into pure nihilism, pure destruction. That is my experience, too. A few months ago, I had lunch with a young lady who said, "The difference is that in your generation you had something to believe in, but in ours we have nothing. " She didn't say it bitterly, just as a straightforward acknowledgment of her worldview.

Faith in God has been on the decline for decades; so has social trust, faith in one another; so has faith in a dependable career path. A recent Gallup poll showed that faith in major American institutions is now near its lowest point in the 46 years Gallup has been measuring these things. But the core of nihilism is even more acidic; it is the loss of faith in the values your culture tells you to believe in.

As Skyler and I exchanged emails, I was reminded of an essay the great University of Virginia sociologist James Davison Hunter wrote last year for The Hedgehog Review. He, too, identified nihilism as the central feature of contemporary culture: "A nihilistic culture is defined by the drive to destroy, by the will to power. And that definition now describes the American nation. ".

He pointed to our culture's pervasive demonization and fearmongering, with leaders feeling no need to negotiate with the other side, just decimate it. Nihilists, he continued, often suffer from wounded attachments — to people, community, the truth. They can't give up their own sense of marginalization and woundedness because it would mean giving up their very identity. The only way to feel halfway decent is to smash things or at least talk about smashing them. They long for chaos.

Apparently, the F. Be. I. Now has a new category of terrorist — the "nihilistic violent extremist. " This is the person who doesn't commit violence to advance any cause, just to destroy. Last year, Derek Thompson wrote an article for The Atlantic about online conspiracists who didn't spread conspiracy theories only to hurt their political opponents. They spread them in all directions just to foment chaos. Thompson spoke with an expert who cited a famous line from "The Dark Knight": "Some men just want to watch the world burn. ".

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This may be where history is leading. Smothering progressivism produced a populist reaction that eventually descended into a nihilist surge. Nihilism is a cultural river that leads nowhere good. Russian writers like Turgenev and Dostoyevsky wrote about rising nihilism in the 19th century, a trend that eventually contributed to the turmoil of the Russian Revolution. The scholar Erich Heller wrote a book called "The Disinherited Mind" about the rise in nihilism that plagued Germany and Central Europe after World War I. We saw what that led to.

It's hard to turn this trend around. It's hard enough to get people to believe something, but it's really hard to get people to believe in belief — to persuade a nihilist that some things are true, beautiful and good.

One spot of good news is the fact that more young people, and especially young men, are returning to church. I've been skeptical of this trend, but the evidence is building. Among Gen Z, more young men now go to church than young women. In Britain, according to one study, only 4 percent of 18- to 24-year-olds went to church in 2018, but by 2024 it was 16 percent. From the anecdotes I keep hearing, young people seem to be going to the most countercultural churches — traditionalist Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.

They don't believe in what the establishment tells them to believe in. They live in a world in which many believe in nothing. But still, somewhere deep inside, that hunger is there. They want to have faith in something.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-08-21/walmart-its-radioactive-shrimp-health-and-safety-our-customers-always-top-priority[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3020119]For the 2nd time Donald J. Trump has gone to War Against America on American Soil based on one of his now 35,000+ lies.

The first time was based on his lie about the 2020 election being stolen from him. It wasn't.

This latest Trump's War Against America is based on his lie that the Nation's Capitol is rampant with crime. It isn't. In fact, crime is down in the City, has been declining since crime began to spike up dramatically under Trump during his previous term as has crime all around the country and the City is now not even in the top 20-25 most "crime-ridden" cities in the country.

Trump simply loves War.

Trump loves taking America to War.

Trump loves keeping America involved in Wars, as he did for every hour of every day of his previous term with the War in Afghanistan.

This is another unnecessary Trump War.

It should never have happened.

It wouldn't have happened if Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or any other Dem had been President.

This is Trump's War Against America, not theirs. Actually, it's his 2nd War Against America.

[B]'This Will Go Further: Trump Puts D.C. Police Under Federal Control and Deploys National Guard, Warns Other Cities May Be Next.
Aug. 11, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://time.com/7308788/trump-washington-dc-national-guard/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/21/cnns-enten-vance-is-right-violent-crime-is-underreported-thats-not-unique-to-d-c/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3021971]Yeah, the whole world is watching. I know you hate Trump, but let's see what happens. I hope Trump is successful because it will save hundreds of thousands of lives, but everything is contingent on Putin who we all know is a murdering psychopath with thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal. [B]Here is my criterion for success:[/B].

A) Putin does not accept a cease fire, but Trump retaliates by shipping more advanced offensive weaponry to Ukraine and by cutting off all western finance and banking to Russia in an effort to cripple the Russian economy and cause a palace coup. This is the big stick approach.

B) Putin agrees to a cease fire which is then followed up with a strong and resolute Article "5" Nato type security guarantee which includes European troops stationed on the ground near the frontlines in Ukraine to deter any future Russian attacks.

C) I will conclude that the whole thing was a huge fucking waste of time or worse, a "failure", if one of these two events a) or b) does not occur.

A lot is riding on this, but like I said, it all comes down to Putin, and nobody knows what this murdering lunatic will do including launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine. He is capable of anything.[/QUOTE]But when you make an error like you did it really does undermine your whole post, I'm just sayin.

IMO you should of used criteria for plural, as opposed to criterion, singular.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3022139]You and I are not that far apart. Trump is NOT pushing for a peace treaty which recognizes Putin's occupation of Crimea or Eastern Ukraine. I would oppose that 100%. He wants a cease fire and an end to the bloodbath. After which the Ukraine gets modernized and heals, and eventually Putin dies or is killed, and a real peace treaty which returns to the Ukraine ALL of its stolen land is agreed to.[/QUOTE]In reality we are half a world apart. You praise one war criminal while calling another out. [B]That is why you altered my post when you quoted it[/B].

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3022139]The alternative, to keep fighting, means a couple of hundred thousand dead every year with the most likely end game scenario that Russia will eventually break thru the front lines and win the war outright.[/QUOTE]The alternative is for [U]Ukraine[/U] to decide, not the puppet of the Russian Federation (AKA the POTUS of the Dis-United States of America).

If [U]Ukraine[/U] wants to keep fighting to the last to the last bullet, to the last gun, to the last knife to the last man, this citizen of the Dis-United States of America supports them.

[B]Period. Full Stop![/B]

If your were getting raped in the ass and I suggested that you just continue to take it because I believed is was you best course of action. Would you take it like a *****? Or you would you man up and continue to fight it?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022233]But when you make an error like you did it really does undermine your whole post, I'm just sayin.

IMO you should of used criteria for plural, as opposed to criterion, singular.[/QUOTE]Yes professor, I posted the draft copy. I should have spell checked the goddamn thing first! 555/ KKK.

But on your previous point, the DEI Wokes and I have irreconcilable differences based on the logic, the constitution, the bill of rights and the principal that less government is better government except in the case of national defense and natural disaster because in the history of mankind, more government always leads to dictatorship. So, I want to preserve my god given rights, but these motherfucking left-wing dimwits want to take my rights away. How any real punter on this forum can support the Woke movement (ie the Cultural Revolution) is beyond stupid. Are ladyboys girls? Should punters be thrown in prison if they shag young Asian girls for money if prostitution in illegal in their home state? Hillary thinks so.

So, this is my dream team. AOC for President! And Governor Brylcreem for VP in 28! BTW how is the LA rebuilding effort going under Newsom and Bass's leadership. It is going at a snail's pace thanks to all the government regulation and red tape.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022206]Other people, of course, don't just cope; they rebel. That rebellion comes in two forms. The first is what I'll call Christopher Rufo-style dismantling. Rufo is the right-wing activist who seeks to dismantle the. E. I. And other culturally progressive programs. I'm 23 years older than Rufo. [/QUOTE]MDS, the first half of the opinion piece was great and then he writes some of the dumbest shit I have ever read. This bullshit gets in the way of what we MAGA folks are so pissed off about.

First off the reason we do not have more people like Trump is because of Citizens United. To run for office today, you have to be a billionaire or kiss the ass of one. It has diminished the power of average citizens more than anything. Obviously, this ruling has to be thrown in the trash. This more than any other law destroys the votes of ordinary Americans.

The deep state / bureaucratic state was founded on two cases. Thankfully, one has been overturned. That would be the Chevron ruling, What that rulind did was it granted administrative agencies broad deference in creating regulations based on administrative interpretations of laws and thus granted administrative agencies of the executive branch broad lawmaking powers. We saw how fucked up this shit was with Covid when we had unelected bureaucrats in private companies like the CDC making law. This effectively took law making out of the hands of Congress and gave them to unelected bureaucrats. This law fortunately has been gutted by a recent decision.

And the other ruling allowed them to be unaccountable, that would be Harlow v. Fitzgerald, The Court held that "government officials performing discretionary functions, generally are shielded from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known. " Sounds reasonable? It is not, The Supreme Court has recognized that not all constitutional violations will give rise to a Section 1983 claim. In order to be actionable under the law, the constitutional violation must be "sufficiently egregious" such that it "shock (s) the conscience" or amounts to "conduct that deliberately disregards fundamental rights. " And that is just suing the states in 1983.

If you sue the feds for unconstitutional behavior, that is under the Bivens provision, and it is even more restrictive. In both of these cases, you are looking at six figures of legal expenses and years of litigation just to have the right to have your case possibly heard by a jury, and it is very unlikely you never will.

Have you noticed when a person brings up civil rights, there is always an implication someone is guilty when in reality, we should be asking, were their rights violated? The notion is that bringing up civil rights is for drug dealers caught with a stash and is an excuse to get out of some crime.

This provision puts in place protection such that it allows bureaucrats to make incredibly stupid decisions and get away with them. We saw with Covid how far these unelected bureaucrats could go. Still, do not get the impression all such instances are that extreme. The worst examples are CPS taking children from their parents because of something stupid like dad taught junior how to shoot a gun. By not allowing citizens to sue and for your peers to decide whether government actions violated the Constiution, government in essence granted itself immunity from the Constiution. So we do not even really have civil rights.

People think that this rarely happens. Bullshit! When I went into family court, I was searched more rigidly than any airport I have ever been in, and the reason is when men have their kids taken from them, they get very violent. This is incredibly under reported in the media. It is why government is so desperate to get rid of the 2nd Amendment.

There are couple of other bullshit laws that hurt most citizens. The first is limiting leverage. Hedge funds have driven up home prices. I think there was a time hedge funds were buying one in every 3 homes inflating prices. Government likes this as higher housing brings in more property tax, but new homebuyers get fucked. Leverage allows the rich tremendously more power over the poor.

Then there is the Enron loophole law which permits companies to trade commodities completely free from regulation. This allows for traders often using levered accounts to manipulate commodity prices higher to their benefit. I cannot believe any law endorsed by Enron still exists, but this one does. The laws governing markets written in the 1930's were some of the best laws ever written, and we have seen companies like Enron and the banksters gut them for their own nefarious purposes. I do not want to destroy anything. I want to go back to those common sense laws.

And the final blow to Democracy was Administrative law courts. These are not courts run by the independent judiciary or by citizens. Nope, these are run by the executive branch. So with Covid for example, if you are a doctor and say, "I think the government is full of it. The Covid vax is killing people". Someone can turn you into a medical board, and the fate of your license will not be determined by the public by some administrative hack with the fake title of judge whose salary is being paid for by the executive branch. With the Supreme Court gutting the Chevron decision, this may get better, but you can see what a problem it is.

Every one of these decisions enriched the power of the deep state or the rich and took power away from ordinary citizens.

Dave Chapelle had a great line about why Trump won. He called Trump an honest liar. When Hiiliary was asked if our system is rigged, she said no. When Trump was asked if the system was rigged, he said that it was and he took advantage of it. That was the appeal of Trump. He was way more honest than Hiliary.

And we saw all the bullshit the deep state threw at Trump. The problem with the Democratic douches is they think all the lawfare was just for Trump. Bullshit! They use that against anyone they do not like and most people do not have the financial reserves of Trump.

You remember that raid on Mar a lago and all those top secret stickers the FBI had on top of those files. Did you know those FBI fuckers had those labels printed up before they even went into Trump's house?

The problem with the Democratic douches is they defer to the deep state and their expert class. They are too dumb to get that the experts are just assholes with titles who agree with the deep state.

As fucking loony as I think Spidy and Loony Tooms are, I would rather have my fate decided by a jury with people like that on it then some administrative blowhard literally paid to rule against me.

POTUS needs to take care of the interests of the ENTIRE Dis-United States of America. POTUS should be a uniter not a divider. A POTUS does not have the luxury of propagating the hate that I see displayed by those on the [U]FAR RIGHT[/U] posting in this thread.

I don't hate Trump! Trump hates me. Because I don't look like him (the people he likes) and I am not rich.

Tax Wealth not Work!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022335]MDS, the first half of the opinion piece was great and then he writes some of the dumbest shit I have ever read. This bullshit gets in the way of what we MAGA folks are so pissed off about.

First off the reason we do not have more people like Trump is because of Citizens United. To run for office today, you have to be a billionaire or kiss the ass of one. It has diminished the power of average citizens more than anything. Obviously, this ruling has to be thrown in the trash. This more than any other law destroys the votes of ordinary Americans.

The deep state / bureaucratic state was founded on two cases. Thankfully, one has been overturned. That would be the Chevron ruling, What that rulind did was it granted administrative agencies broad deference in creating regulations based on administrative interpretations of laws and thus granted administrative agencies of the executive branch broad lawmaking powers. We saw how fucked up this shit was with Covid when we had unelected bureaucrats in private companies like the CDC making law. This effectively took law making out of the hands of Congress and gave them to unelected bureaucrats. This law fortunately has been gutted by a recent decision.

And the other ruling allowed them to be unaccountable, that would be Harlow v. Fitzgerald, The Court held that "government officials performing discretionary functions, generally are shielded from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known. " Sounds reasonable? It is not, The Supreme Court has recognized that not all constitutional violations will give rise to a Section 1983 claim. In order to be actionable under the law, the constitutional violation must be "sufficiently egregious" such that it "shock (s) the conscience" or amounts to "conduct that deliberately disregards fundamental rights. " And that is just suing the states in 1983...[/QUOTE]Nice info on housing market. Higher housing prices means more tax revenue. Fucks new home buyers.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022335]MDS, the first half of the opinion piece was great and then he writes some of the dumbest shit I have ever read. This bullshit gets in the way of what we MAGA folks are so pissed off about.

First off the reason we do not have more people like Trump is because of Citizens United. To run for office today, you have to be a billionaire or kiss the ass of one. It has diminished the power of average citizens more than anything. Obviously, this ruling has to be thrown in the trash. This more than any other law destroys the votes of ordinary Americans.

The deep state / bureaucratic state was founded on two cases. Thankfully, one has been overturned. That would be the Chevron ruling, What that rulind did was it granted administrative agencies broad deference in creating regulations based on administrative interpretations of laws and thus granted administrative agencies of the executive branch broad lawmaking powers. We saw how fucked up this shit was with Covid when we had unelected bureaucrats in private companies like the CDC making law. This effectively took law making out of the hands of Congress and gave them to unelected bureaucrats. This law fortunately has been gutted by a recent decision.

And the other ruling allowed them to be unaccountable, that would be Harlow v. Fitzgerald, The Court held that "government officials performing discretionary functions, generally are shielded from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known. " Sounds reasonable? It is not, The Supreme Court has recognized that not all constitutional violations will give rise to a Section 1983 claim. In order to be actionable under the law, the constitutional violation must be "sufficiently egregious" such that it "shock (s) the conscience" or amounts to "conduct that deliberately disregards fundamental rights. " And that is just suing the states in 1983..[/QUOTE]"You are just pruning the forest," Yarvin said dismissively. He countered that everything must be destroyed: In general, Yarvin is a monarchist, but in this dialogue he played a pure nihilist. One version of nihilism holds that the structures of civilization must be destroyed, even if we don't have anything to replace them with.

He argued that all of America has been a sham, that democracy and everything that has come with it is based on lies.

Long Live the Motherland! Real men Love Russia

This should be quite entertaining.

LMFAO.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-mounts-a-new-traveling-horror-show/[/URL]

But will she sell more than 3 copies?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022335]MDS, the first half of the opinion piece was great and then he writes some of the dumbest shit I have ever read. This bullshit gets in the way of what we MAGA folks are so pissed off about.

First off the reason we do not have more people like Trump is because of Citizens United. To run for office today, you have to be a billionaire or kiss the ass of one. It has diminished the power of average citizens more than anything. Obviously, this ruling has to be thrown in the trash. This more than any other law destroys the votes of ordinary Americans.

The deep state / bureaucratic state was founded on two cases. Thankfully, one has been overturned. That would be the Chevron ruling, What that rulind did was it granted administrative agencies broad deference in creating regulations based on administrative interpretations of laws and thus granted administrative agencies of the executive branch broad lawmaking powers. We saw how fucked up this shit was with Covid when we had unelected bureaucrats in private companies like the CDC making law. This effectively took law making out of the hands of Congress and gave them to unelected bureaucrats. This law fortunately has been gutted by a recent decision..[/QUOTE]People think that this rarely happens. Bullshit! When I went into family court, I was searched more rigidly than any airport I have ever been in, and the reason is when men have their kids taken from them, they get very violent. This is incredibly under reported in the media. It is why government is so desperate to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. (there's only one reason they want our guns you can't object to getting ass raped if you aren't much of a threat) ie J6 was a day where some of the best American Patriots stood up to the oppression.

[URL]https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/10/21/Cook-County-Circuit-Judge-Henry-A-Gentile-and-an/6875435556800/[/URL]

I remember this case well, I'm sure justice was served in that court room, at least on that day!

I've been in many of those very courtrooms, there weren't any metal detectors until this case lololol.

I've been thinking for some time about starting a covert Utube channel with spy glasses (you can't have any cellphones or they go APE shit go figure) in family court in Cook County with some of my free time, exposing their tyrannical feminist bullshit.

Almost every single "judge" in these family courts in Cook County are younger men hating mouthy vaginas.

"And we saw all the bullshit the deep state threw at Trump".

And hey please stop with the nonsensical conspiratorial BS, ISGs Bangkok Bob has the temerity to try to argue the Deep State doesn't exist, so it must be true.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-disappearing-democratic-party-voter/[/URL]

Remorse and regret that they too didn't vote for our lord and savior.

But there's still time to join the Trump MAGA train, better late than never.

The Pelosi for years of Insider Trading, and Scumbag Bubba and his ugly husband in the next cell for years of Foreign Money Laundering.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shocking-new-documents-expose-multi-front-effort-protect-clintons-while-framing-trump[/URL]

A real shame Scumbag Joe handed out all those pardons but none for these Scumbags. LMFAO.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3022343]POTUS needs to take care of the interests of the ENTIRE Dis-United States of America. POTUS should be a uniter not a divider. A POTUS does not have the luxury of propagating the hate that I see displayed by those on the [U]FAR RIGHT[/U] posting in this thread.

I don't hate Trump! Trump hates me. Because I don't look like him (the people he likes) and I am not rich.

Tax Wealth not Work![/QUOTE]Inflation and lost jobs for Americans, from Trump taxes. Next time, shoot better than his big ears and don t elect Vance.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022453]The Pelosi for years of Insider Trading, and Scumbag Bubba and his ugly husband in the next cell for years of Foreign Money Laundering.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shocking-new-documents-expose-multi-front-effort-protect-clintons-while-framing-trump[/URL]

A real shame Scumbag Joe handed out all those pardons but none for these Scumbags. LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Is there any evidence anywhere that Pelosi engaged in "insider trading"? When and where was that?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3022343]POTUS needs to take care of the interests of the ENTIRE Dis-United States of America. POTUS should be a uniter not a divider. A POTUS does not have the luxury of propagating the hate that I see displayed by those on the [U]FAR RIGHT[/U] posting in this thread.

I don't hate Trump! Trump hates me. Because I don't look like him (the people he likes) and I am not rich.

Tax Wealth not Work![/QUOTE]Hope you are doing well these days SubCmdr and have the hoes flowing in Thailand. I must speak my opinion here. I get what what your saying about Trump's policies not support minorities and and low income individuals.

What policies in particular are you angry about?

I work in inner city and I am thrilled he's cracking down on crime. OMG when you have to work there everyday, it takes a very real toll on you. I have been reading the left wing media saying he's targeting black communities by cracking down on crime, but I can tell you the city where I live- Philadelphia- really needs something done. I call them pyscho bums. The pyscho bum population is just out of control. I went to get pizza late at night right before I left for my travels and there was a 300 lb dude in his underwear sweating like a pig just chillin on the street talking to himself like it was nothing, no cops bothering him or anything LOL. Shit like that bothers me, BTW he was white, not that it matters. For context I saw many homeless in Rio sleeping on the street, but none of them were Pyscho Bums that made me feel like I needed to keep an eye out for them. My point is, this poilcy people are complaining about in my opinion is a very good thing for all people and needs to be done. Dangerous homeless or mentally ill people who pose a threat need to get the help they need and be taken off the street. Especially away from people just trying to live and work in the city. They shouldn't have to deal with that every day.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022540]Hope you are doing well these days SubCmdr and have the hoes flowing in Thailand. I must speak my opinion here. I get what what your saying about Trump's policies not support minorities and and low income individuals.

What policies in particular are you angry about?

I work in inner city and I am thrilled he's cracking down on crime. OMG when you have to work there everyday, it takes a very real toll on you. I have been reading the left wing media saying he's targeting black communities by cracking down on crime, but I can tell you the city where I live- Philadelphia- really needs something done. I call them pyscho bums. The pyscho bum population is just out of control. I went to get pizza late at night right before I left for my travels and there was a 300 lb dude in his underwear sweating like a pig just chillin on the street talking to himself like it was nothing, no cops bothering him or anything LOL. Shit like that bothers me, BTW he was white, not that it matters. For context I saw many homeless in Rio sleeping on the street, but none of them were Pyscho Bums that made me feel like I needed to keep an eye out for them. My point is, this poilcy people are complaining about in my opinion is a very good thing for all people and needs to be done. Dangerous homeless or mentally ill people who pose a threat need to get the help they need and be taken off the street. Especially away from people just trying to live and work in the city. They shouldn't have to deal with that every day.[/QUOTE][B]Ronald Reagans shameful legacy: Violence, the homeless, mental illness.
As president and governor of California, the GOP icon led the worst policies on mental illness in generations.[/B]

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/[/URL]

[QUOTE]One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program, although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health, an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naivet complicated by grandiosity.
...........
California was the first state to witness not only an increase in homelessness associated with deinstitutionalization but also an increase in incarceration and episodes of violence. In 1972 Marc Abramson, another young psychiatrist working for San Mateo County, published a landmark paper entitled The Criminalization of Mentally Disordered Behavior. Abramson claimed that because the new LPS statute made it difficult to get patients admitted to a psychiatric hospital, police regard arrest and booking into jail as a more reliable way of securing involuntary detention of mentally disordered persons. Abramson quoted a California prison psychiatrist who claimed to be literally drowning in patients. . . . Many more men are being sent to prison who have serious mental problems. Abramsons paper was the first clear description of the increase of mentally ill persons in jails and prisons, an increase that would grow markedly in subsequent years.
..........
Of all the omens of deinstitutionalizations failure on exhibit in 1970s California, the most frightening were homicides and other episodes of violence committed by mentally ill individuals who were not being treated.[/QUOTE]Ronald Reagan as governor and president was the iconic Repub template for all Repub policies and agendas that followed:

[B]'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks[/URL]

Continuing with the iconic Repub and template, Donald Trump:

[B]Trump decries crime rates, but his administration has slashed prevention efforts.
Aug. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-decries-crime-rates-but-his-administration-has-slashed-prevention-efforts[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Trump administration moved this week to take over policing in Washington, D.C., and yesterday deployed the National Guard in the city, claiming a spike in crime. The president has suggested similar action could be taken in other cities.

But the data doesn't back up many of his claims. Murder and violent crime dropped significantly across the U.S. last year, a trend that's continued so far in 2025.

And, as John Yang reports, [b]the federal law enforcement crackdown comes even as the administration cuts funding for other kinds of crime prevention work.[/b][/QUOTE]Defund, deregulated, abandon, the Repub way.

Sorry, but we just can't afford to fund the police, get violent, mentally ill homeless people off the street AND give Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, et al and their space ship hobby companies desperately needed tax cuts too.

The GOP has its priorities.

When too old and senile Trump did good DT BBBJ on red carpet to Putin in Alaska and now Putin fucking him deep in the ass without lube, shooting a US company, not a mistake in Donbass or Kherson, but in West Ukraine over Kiev. Trump is just playing clown to fuck with his orange face.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022540] I work in inner city and I am thrilled he's cracking down on crime. OMG when you have to work there everyday, it takes a very real toll on you. I have been reading the left wing media saying he's targeting black communities by cracking down on crime, but I can tell you the city where I live- Philadelphia- really needs something done. I call them pyscho bums. The pyscho bum population is just out of control. I went to get pizza late at night right before I left for my travels and there was a 300 lb dude in his underwear sweating like a pig just chillin on the street talking to himself like it was nothing, no cops bothering him or anything LOL. Shit like that bothers me, BTW he was white, not that it matters. For context I saw many homeless in Rio sleeping on the street, but none of them were Pyscho Bums that made me feel like I needed to keep an eye out for them. My point is, this poilcy people are complaining about in my opinion is a very good thing for all people and needs to be done. Dangerous homeless or mentally ill people who pose a threat need to get the help they need and be taken off the street. Especially away from people just trying to live and work in the city. They shouldn't have to deal with that every day.[/QUOTE]Citizens do not have any civil rights if they can't walk around their neighborhood or city at any time of the day or night in complete safety. This is one of a government's fundamental obligations to its people. It is truly obscene to watch how Woke Democrats have dropped the ball on this one and their insane reasoning on why.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/white-house-miles-taylor-trump/2025/08/23/id/1223683/[/URL]

But Mainstream Media keeps suggesting to their readers and viewers that Repubs are "pro Business" and "better at handling the economy than Democrats"! Lololol!

Add this to the higher Inflation Rate, higher average price of a gallon of regular gas, worst real jobs report, Trillions more already added to the deficit, etc, etc, etc since Trump began to blitheringly blather about, took office and enact his Trump Tariffs / Tax Increases on the American Working Men and Women and Consumers:

[B]US Bankruptcies Hit Highest Level Since COVID.
Aug. 22, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/us-bankruptcies-highest-level-since-covid-2116819[/URL]

[QUOTE]S&P Global Market Intelligence, the research and data arm of the credit-rating agency, found that filings by large public and private companies rose to 71 last month from 66 in June, marking [b]the highest monthly tally since July 2020.[/b] So far in 2025, meanwhile, the total of 446 bankruptcy filings is [b]the highest for this seven-month stretch since 2010.[/b][/QUOTE]Sure, Biden-Harris handed him The Envy of the World Economy, so it is going to take a lot more concerted determination on the part of Trump and his Repub-controlled Congress to plunge us into one of the Repub Party's patented Great Repub Depressions or Great Repub Recessions, Historic Repub Jobs Destruction and so on as that Party's favorite and repeated economic policies and stewardship plunged us into due to the policies and stewardship of, say, Coolidge / Hoover, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, see 2010 above, and Donald Trump Part 1, see 2020 above.

But they are sure working hard day and night to get us there!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022408]This should be quite entertaining.

LMFAO.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-mounts-a-new-traveling-horror-show/[/URL]

But will she sell more than 3 copies?[/QUOTE]Well, her book does come with a set of crayons so there is that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022569][B]Ronald Reagans shameful legacy: Violence, the homeless, mental illness.
As president and governor of California, the GOP icon led the worst policies on mental illness in generations.[/B]

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/[/URL]

Ronald Reagan as governor and president was the iconic Repub template for all Repub policies and agendas that followed:

[B]'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks[/URL]

Continuing with the iconic Repub and template, Donald Trump:

[B]Trump decries crime rates, but his administration has slashed prevention efforts.
Aug. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-decries-crime-rates-but-his-administration-has-slashed-prevention-efforts[/URL]

Defund, deregulated, abandon, the Repub way.

Sorry, but we just can't afford to fund the police, get violent, mentally ill homeless people off the street AND give Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, et al and their space ship hobby companies desperately needed tax cuts too.

The GOP has its priorities.[/QUOTE]This sums up exactly how I feel about this.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_XgHdTeR2M[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022422] It is why government is so desperate to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. (there's only one reason they want our guns you can't object to getting ass raped if you aren't much of a threat) ie J6 was a day where some of the best American Patriots stood up to the oppression.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/04/jan-6-insurrection-sentencing-tracker-526091[/URL]

During the October sentencing of Maryland man Andrew Bennett, Judge James Boasberg repeatedly pressed prosecutors on why they were not seeking jail time in his case and indicated he likely would have granted it had they did. " There is a strong argument that anyone who was there that day deserves jail," Boasberg said.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022422]I've been thinking for some time about starting a covert Utube channel with spy glasses (you can't have any cellphones or they go APE shit go figure) in family court in Cook County with some of my free time, exposing their tyrannical feminist bullshit.[/QUOTE]When I was roped into family court in a case where I was a witness and not a participant, I was not happy. I was supposed to sit there for hours waiting for this dumb judge to make a decision. Without disturbing anyone, I just sat with a scowel. A baliff came up to me and threatened to put me in jail for my attitude. I later learned it would have been legal to do so. After I left, the judge said aloud, "I banned a parent from seeing a child for months and there was no evidence of drug use. I wonder why I did that again?" In court, you are just supposed to sit there and smile while the judge wastes your time or takes your kid from you.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022540]The pyscho bum population is just out of control. I went to get pizza late at night right before I left for my travels and there was a 300 lb dude in his underwear sweating like a pig just chillin on the street talking to himself like it was nothing, no cops bothering him or anything LOL.[/QUOTE]And the Democratic leaders of these cities swear their hands are tied. I do not remember if you recall but Xi, the leader of China, flew into San Francisco and the Democratic leadership literally cleaned up the homeless problem in like a day. And once Xi left, they let it go back to shit.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3022583]Citizens do not have any civil rights if they can't walk around their neighborhood or city at any time of the day or night in complete safety. This is one of a government's fundamental obligations to its people. It is truly obscene to watch how Woke Democrats have dropped the ball on this one and their insane reasoning on why.[/QUOTE]And the response of these Democratic douches is to call Trump the Fuhrer and people who voted for him MAGAloons. Wanting to walk around your street without getting harassed by some homeless goon makes you a Nazi?

Meanwhile, the Democratic douches were applauding the lawfare campaign against Trump and the criminal cases against nonviolent J6 participants. And these same Democratic douches who swear 2020 was not rigged, completely ignore that one of their heroes, Letitia James, has had fraud charges brought up against her and has had her $500 million decision against Trump denounced as unconstitutional and revoked. Oh no, we were not trying to rig the 2024 election. Not us.

Yeah, Ms. James, that is what voters wanted: not getting criminals off the street but charging Trump with anything.

And you got Loony Tooms swearing the only reason Trump was victorious is some Muslim switched sides. You cannot make this shit up.

[QUOTE]Higher housing prices means more tax revenue. Fucks new home buyers.[/QUOTE]Higher housing prices are because of the gross inequality of wealth distribution in the Dis-United States of America leading to the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] buying up the assets of the middle class and poor. [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] realize that money in and of itself has not real value. That is why they use it to buy real assets.

[U]Recognize that a mortgage is just a different form of ownership of the rich![/U]

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022540]Hope you are doing well these days SubCmdr and have the hoes flowing in Thailand. I must speak my opinion here. I get what what you're saying about Trump's policies not support minorities and and low income individuals. What policies in particular are you angry about?[/QUOTE]Appreciate the well wishes RamDavison84. Yes, I have more prostitutes available for hire here in Thailand than I have the time, ability or money to fuck. I have a pussy priority system. Because I've got a rotation of regulars and a waiting list of those trying to get into the rotation.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3022540]I must speak my opinion here. I get what what you're saying about Trump's policies not support minorities and and low income individuals. What policies in particular are you angry about?[/QUOTE]I am not here to debate policy with anyone. I do not sit in any position that would allow me to create or implement policy. So, I just express my opinions on it.

[B]I appreciate your opinions[/B] Let's get one thing straight. I am not angry. I am disappointed. But please do not think it started with our current POTUS. I put the Dis-United States of America in my rearview mirror over a decade ago. [B]Why[/B]? I did not like the direction I saw the country going and so I voted with my feet. People don't understand the power of they have. The one vote you get every four years don't mean shit to me. The real power is in presence and your dollars. I control where I spend mine, except for the IRS ass rape of my hard earned income that occurs each year.

I admire that you continue to be a productive hard working member in the Dis-United States of America under difficult conditions. You deserve to be safe. I spend the majority of my adult life protecting my fellow citizens in a civilian capacity. I took an oath during that time to protect the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic. So I will not allow anyone to question my commitment to my country of origin. Please note I am not directing this at you. But at the two main MAGA posters who are complete hypocrites. Law enforcement is underfunded. Law enforcement is not representative to the communities where they enforce the law. Law enforcement for the most part is rarely held accountable. It is the POLICE verse them. What the police do not realize is that they are THEM.

[B]Stay safe in dem crazy streets my brother![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3022179]I see a lot of revisionist history being tossed around by the usual suspects here lately:

[u][b]"Obama did nothing"[/b] in response to Russia's invasion of Crimea?[/u]

[B]Donald Trump misleads on Russia, Crimea, Obama and the G-8[/B]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-misleads-russia-crimea-obama/[/URL]

[B]AP FACT CHECK: Trump distorts Obama-Biden aid to Ukraine[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-donald-trump-ap-fact-check-barack-obama-981ef7feb11053c1340a9d028d6f357b[/URL]

[B]Obama Announces Sanctions to Punish Russia For Crimea Invasion.
The sanctions are the most comprehensive placed on Russia since the Cold War.[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-announces-sanctions-punish-russia-crimea-invasion/story?id=22939730[/URL]

Guess who tried to secretly abandon those tough sanctions?

[B]Senate Democrats launch investigation into Trumps pause of Russia sanctions.[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5384194-democrats-investigate-trump-russia-sanctions/[/URL]

The same orange potus who blew Putin many more times than that for invading Crimea:

[B]37 times Trump was soft on Russia.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics/trump-soft-on-russia[/URL]

Those are just some of the blowjobs Trump gave Putin with regards to the tough military aid and sanctions Obama imposed on Russia for invading Crimea. Check out that link for many more blowjobs Trump gave Putin on other issues.

Not only did Obama not "do nothing" in response to Russia invading Crimea, but the blowjobs Trump gave Putin FOR invading Crimea as well as for many other attacks on our and other democracies tells us everything we need to know for why Putin didn't have to bother shedding any Russian blood in order to get his Trump Puppet to serve up his Anti-American, Democracy-destroying agenda on a silver platter.

Talk about giving Putin "the opening and confidence to launch a 2nd campaign"! Except it wasn't a matter of "ineptitude" on Trump's part. It was clearly Trump's determination to fulfill that murderous dictator Putin's wishes due to them both sharing the same World view and ambitions.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that great fact checking post on Crimea!

The amount of MAGA dis/misinformation claims that [b][I]"Obama did nothing"[/I][/b], is just jaw-dropping staggering, from the gullible suckers on the right.

It gets really old fast and I get really tried, of those MAGA cultists, who constantly love to [I][b]"shot from the hip"[/b][/I] and make loud mouth unsubstantiated [I]MAGA "know nothing", "do nothing", "no nothing"[/I] claims.

Always posting their "loud-mouth" MAGA claims, with nothing and no evidence to backup said claims.

Once again, GOOD POST!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3022727]Thanks for that great fact checking post on Crimea!

Once again, GOOD POST![/QUOTE]God, what a load of bullshit that is. Fact is Putin took over Crimea when Obama was president. Then Biden is in office, provokes the shit out of Putin, and Putin invades Ukraine. So Putin started all these wars when Trump was NOT president, and you dumb douches claim how tough you were with Putin. Yeesh.

And your answer to any legitimate charge is ALWAYS the same bullshit. The charge is Obama did not do anything when Putin invaded the Crimea, and the answer is, wait for it. Well, what about Trump?

And that is why I call you Democratic douches. Your answer for everything is what about Trump?

I have been trying for the last two weeks to log into the usasesguide. NL website with no success. I keep getting a bad gateway error message. Is anyone else having issues logging into the USA website? If anyone can PM I would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3022375]

He argued that all of America has been a sham, that democracy and everything that has come with it is based on lies.

Long Live the Motherland! Real men Love Russia[/QUOTE]Freedom is the biggest lie going in the USA. I was talking to a Russian woman and she laughed when freedom was brought up. She said there is more freedom in Russia and she is right.

There is no CPS to take your kid away from you in Russia. There is no divorce court in Russia stripping you of half your assets if you get divorced. The very notion that a woman can divorce a man and get alimony was insanity to the Russian people even the women.

The other thing that cracked me up is Russians do not get the fake smiles. Russians would ask me, why are people smiling so much in the USA when they really are not happy? Like I said, you have to smile in an American court even when a judge is fucking you up the ass.

And sexually speaking, my God, that is a fucking joke. You cannot fuck your secretary. We cannot have that in the work place or even people dating each other.

Rape is not forcing a woman to have sex at gun point. No, rape is now when a woman consents to sex but regrets it in the morning. Prostitution is allowed and not shamed in Russia. And there are not these huge guilt trips with sex. If a woman wants to fuck she just does it.

I remember being in a strip club in Peru. There were video poker machines in the back, rooms for sex on site, and I saw guys enjoying themselves snorting cocaine out in the open. It is funny though when you go to an American movie, all that stuff is taboo and never shown. No, what you see so often is guys blowing each other's brains out. Yeah, thanks to the military industrial complex, that part is okay. How fucked up is that?

The USA is the best country in the world to make a living. I have no doubt in my mind that is true and why people want to come. But freedom? For men? Russians are way more free than Americans. It is not even close and with sex, Europeans are way more free. When it comes to freedom, especially sexual freedom, the USA is in the dark ages.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3022652]Higher housing prices are because of the gross inequality of wealth distribution in the Dis-United States of America leading to the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] buying up the assets of the middle class and poor. [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] realize that money in and of itself has not real value. That is why they use it to buy real assets.

[U]Recognize that a mortgage is just a different form of ownership of the rich![/U]

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B][/QUOTE]Yep, welcome to the MAGA age, of less oversight, regulation and policies on GREED!

As the billionaire robber baron class and [I][b]private equity firms (PEFs),[/b][/I] rape, pillage, loot and guts America's middle class and poor, under an indifferent MAGA Fuhrer and his clown shit-show admin, that ONLY seem to support billionaires and pedophiles.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3022741]Yep, welcome to the MAGA age, of less oversight, regulation and policies on GREED!

As the billionaire robber baron class and [I][b]private equity firms (PEFs),[/b][/I] rape, pillage, loot and guts America's middle class and poor, under an indifferent MAGA Fuhrer and his clown shit-show admin, that ONLY seem to support billionaires and pedophiles.[/QUOTE]I am concerned for my fellow citizen. Between the AI revolution and the gross wealth inequality between the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] and the [I]middle class and poor[/I], they will be steamrolled by the economic factors and relegated to a live of extreme poverty until they must up the unity to take on the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] through political means and for taxes on wealth.

The [I]Retire Overseas[/I] industry is growing by leaps and bounds. Honestly it IS the best way to live out your final years after you leave the work force in with dignity and respect. Of course unless you are part of the [B]Rich and Super Rich[/B] class. It requires you to learn languages and adjust to cultures that you have not grown up in. But the rewards are a life where basics are affordable along with an occasional luxury expenditure.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3022741]Yep, welcome to the MAGA age, of less oversight, regulation and policies on GREED!

As the billionaire robber baron class and [I][b]private equity firms (PEFs),[/b][/I] rape, pillage, loot and guts America's middle class and poor, under an indifferent MAGA Fuhrer and his clown shit-show admin, that ONLY seem to support billionaires and pedophiles.[/QUOTE]Maybe you can explain how illegal immigrants do not depress the wages of the working American poor. Or how about how having more illegals entering the country did not cause the price of housing to go up? Shit, the biggest gift you can give billionaires is cheap laborers with no rights.

And let's not let facts get in the way of your statements about Trump either: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/us-home-prices-plunge-3rd-straight-month[/URL].

Home prices in America's 20 largest cities fell for the 3rd straight month in May (the latest data available from S&P CoreLogic's Case-Shiller data released this morning).

The 0. 34% MoM drop matches the plunge in May and is equal to the largest drop since Dec 2022, dragging YoY price growth down to +2. 79% (the weakest since Aug 2023).

So if you want to blame rising home prices on a president, which is a foolish endeavor in and of itself, Biden sucks serious ass, and Trump is a God.

And anecdotally speaking, any fool can check out home prices on Zillow and see all the homes where sellers have knocked down their prices. I do not like living in houses for now, and I set up a watch list on apartment [URL]list.com[/URL] and am getting weekly notices of rents falling as well.

Given how ill informed you and SC are (and you had to quote him and make me read his trash), I think we should really consider banning the votes of those living overseas and getting pensions and social security because that is all you douches care about. You constantly demonstrate you could give a shit about what conditions are really like in the USA.

Oh yeah, illegal immigrants are great for the economy. You all are so pathetic.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022764]Maybe you can explain how illegal immigrants do not depress the wages of the working American poor. Or how about how having more illegals entering the country did not cause the price of housing to go up? Shit, the biggest gift you can give billionaires is cheap laborers with no rights.

And let's not let facts get in the way of your statements about Trump either: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/us-home-prices-plunge-3rd-straight-month[/URL].

Home prices in America's 20 largest cities fell for the 3rd straight month in May (the latest data available from S&P CoreLogic's Case-Shiller data released this morning).

The 0. 34% MoM drop matches the plunge in May and is equal to the largest drop since Dec 2022, dragging YoY price growth down to +2. 79% (the weakest since Aug 2023).

So if you want to blame rising home prices on a president, which is a foolish endeavor in and of itself, Biden sucks serious ass, and Trump is a God.

And anecdotally speaking, any fool can check out home prices on Zillow and see all the homes where sellers have knocked down their prices. I do not like living in houses for now, and I set up a watch list on apartment [URL]list.com[/URL] and am getting weekly notices of rents falling as well.

Given how ill informed you and SC are (and you had to quote him and make me read his trash), I think we should really consider banning the votes of those living overseas and getting pensions and social security because that is all you douches care about. You constantly demonstrate you could give a shit about what conditions are really like in the USA.

Oh yeah, illegal immigrants are great for the economy. You all are so pathetic.[/QUOTE]It was Reagan in in the 80's who signed a bill for guest workers who you refer to today as illegals. Reagan's agribusiness buddies had to have that law. Trump employed immigrants as cheap labor at Mar A Lago.

If some nail salon technicians and gardeners from Chicago did this I am sure Trump would be calling out the armed troops to lay siege to the entire state of Illinois.

But since it was his best buddy from Russia Russia Russia that provided the extra boost to eke out one or both of his razor-thin election wins, crickets:

[B]Russia Bombed a U.S. Factory in Ukraine. Heres How Trump Responded.
Aug. 23, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/russia-bombed-u-factory-ukraine-200236677.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]If another country were to bomb an American-owned factory on foreign soil, one might expectat the very leastharsh condemnation from the sitting U.S. president.

The anticipated response from a president who enjoys a reputation as both a champion of American business and a tough guy on the world stage would be even fiercer.

But President Donald Trump fell far short of such expectations on Friday, when he was asked about Russias strike on the Ukrainian branch of the American electronics manufacturer Flex.

The president mustered only five wordsand none very forceful.

I told Putin, Im not happy about it, the president said, before immediately changing the subject. Im not happy about anything having to do with that war.

Overnight, Russia hit the factory with two missiles, injuring at least 15, according to Ukraine. About 600 workers had reportedly been at work but took cover prior to impact as air raid sirens sounded. An estimated third of the plant burned down, per the Ukrainian military.[/QUOTE]Maybe this was what Trump, The Great Negotiator, agreed to allow Putin to do in exchange for him leading another mob of violent, cop-killing Insurrectionists into bloody battle in another War Against America and American Democracy during the Midterms.

Yeah, I know that wouldn't make sense as any logical pro America exchange at all. But that's the kind of deal Trump's MAGAs cheer as "brilliant. ".

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3022804]Trump employed immigrants as cheap labor at Mar A Lago.[/QUOTE]And Trump is a billionaire and cheap labor helped him which was my point so thank you for that. This just shows how you Democratic douches never think things through.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3022732]Fact is Putin took over Crimea when Obama was president. Then Biden is in office, provokes the shit out of Putin, and Putin invades Ukraine. So Putin started all these wars when Trump was NOT president, and you dumb douches claim how tough you were with Putin. Yeesh. [/QUOTE]

[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Typical Elvis 2008, straw man argument!

If only for a moment, you'd stopped being such a parroting MAGA blowhard, you'd realized, your post was just, [i][b]nothing but obtuse![/b][/I]

In case you missed it, the unfounded, unsubstantiated MAGA "no nothing" argument claimed that:[LIST] [i][b]"Obama did nothing..."[/b][/i][/LIST]That was UNTRUE and nicely FACT CHECKED and DEBUNKED!

[b]P.S.:[/b] However, if you and the MAGA cult were wondering what [i][b]"...DOING NOTHING!.."[/b][/i] really looks like, take a gander at the latest post by EihTooms, after "Russia Bombed a U.S. Factory in Ukraine", here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=3022882&viewfull=1#post3022882[/url]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3022932]Typical Elvis 2008, straw man argument!

If only for a moment, you'd stopped being such a parroting MAGA blowhard, you'd realized, your post was just, nothing but obtuse!

In case you missed it, the unfounded, unsubstantiated MAGA "no nothing" argument claimed that:
"Obama did nothing..."
That was UNTRUE and nicely FACT CHECKED and DEBUNKED!
[/QUOTE]LOL. It is even worse than that. I consider waving a finger and sanctions doing nothing, and you know what? Obama SHOULD have done nothing.

[URL]https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4063939-obama-defends-2014-crimea-response-in-cnn-interview/[/URL]

"Ukraine of that time was not the Ukraine that we're talking about today," Obama said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "There's a reason there was not an armed invasion of Crimea, because Crimea was full of a lot of Russian speakers, and there was some sympathy to the views that Russia was representing. ".

So Putin "takes over" a region that is 90% Russian where the people there voted to separate from Ukraine which was treating the Russians there like shit. And my response? That is not our circus and not our monkeys. The USSR held Crimea, and Russia has it now? BFD.

The EXACT same thing happens in Ukraine. Native Russians are treated like shit by the Ukrainian government. Worse than that, you have Biden and that idiot Kamala mocking Russia by saying Ukraine will soon be in NATO. The USSR had half of Germany for God's sake, but no, this Russia is even more evil than the old USSR. One has to ask, why do you Democratic douches care so much about Ukraine?

Because as we saw with Hunter Biden, you Democrats are and were laundering huge amounts of US aid through Ukraine. What I learned with Ukrainegate is that Ukraine was basically being run by Democratic NGOs.

And the other thing we now know for sure is Hiliary and the intelligence idiots created the huge Putin bogeyman image to deflect from all their illegal bullshit in the 2016 election.

Ukraine was not shit then, and it is not shit now. I repeat, it was part of the old USSR. You Democratic douches are just elevating how important it is to demonize Putin.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022944]LOL. It is even worse than that. I consider waving a finger and sanctions doing nothing, and you know what? Obama SHOULD have done nothing.

[URL]https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4063939-obama-defends-2014-crimea-response-in-cnn-interview/[/URL]

"Ukraine of that time was not the Ukraine that we're talking about today," Obama said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "There's a reason there was not an armed invasion of Crimea, because Crimea was full of a lot of Russian speakers, and there was some sympathy to the views that Russia was representing. ".

So Putin "takes over" a region that is 90% Russian where the people there voted to separate from Ukraine which was treating the Russians there like shit. And my response? That is not our circus and not our monkeys. The USSR held Crimea, and Russia has it now? BFD.

The EXACT same thing happens in Ukraine. Native Russians are treated like shit by the Ukrainian government. Worse than that, you have Biden and that idiot Kamala mocking Russia by saying Ukraine will soon be in NATO. The USSR had half of Germany for God's sake, but no, this Russia is even more evil than the old USSR. One has to ask, why do you Democratic douches care so much about Ukraine?

Because as we saw with Hunter Biden, you Democrats are and were laundering huge amounts of US aid through Ukraine. What I learned with Ukrainegate is that Ukraine was basically being run by Democratic NGOs.

And the other thing we now know for sure is Hiliary and the intelligence idiots created the huge Putin bogeyman image to deflect from all their illegal bullshit in the 2016 election.

Ukraine was not shit then, and it is not shit now. I repeat, it was part of the old USSR. You Democratic douches are just elevating how important it is to demonize Putin.[/QUOTE]Do You know, all Ukrainians speak fluent Russian and Putin was nothing in FSB in 1991 , becoming a killer later and after a dictator fucking deep now your MAGA. And Putin is a liar, not respecting agreements he signed.

The States of America (including Department of Defense and Department of State personnel.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022764]Given how ill informed you and SC are (and you had to quote him and make me read his trash), I think we should really consider banning the votes of those living overseas and getting pensions and social security because that is all you douches care about. You constantly demonstrate you could give a shit about what conditions are really like in the USA.[/QUOTE]Perhaps your MAGA leader should pull your passport in order to force you have more babies with your MAGA girls so that you can naturally produce enough workers for the country that look like you in order to work the fields, farms the meat packing plants yourselves.

In order to take legal action against a citizen of the Dis-United States of America such as myself, you need to have legal proof. It shows how ignorant of the law MAGAE2008 in his own country of origin he is. You cannot just take rights away from people because you do not like them. MAGAE2008 has accused me of being a socialist.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2825778]Does this idiot get the concept of supply and demand [b]or is he another socialist[/b] that he thinks that he deserves better service because of his virtue signaling?[/QUOTE]Here is first reply to me in the Colombian Threads.

[B]I am a stone cold capitalist just like he is![/B]

His leader Trump has illegally fired a Fed Governor. That Fed Governor does not look like him. There is no legal proof that has been provided by anyone that she has neglected the duties of her office. A legal fight will ensue. The results will ultimately decided by The Supreme Court.

MAGAE2008 is on the same attack vector as his Leader Trump has on the current Fed Governor that does not look like him.

[QUOTE][b]Further proof that
I dont hate Trump,
Trump hates me[/b][/QUOTE]MAGAE2008 Accusing me of something without proof. [B]I care very much about what his happening to people in the Dis-United States of America[/B]. All people. I am exercising my rights while outside of the Dis-United States of America just like everyone else that is outside of the the Dis-United States of America (including Department of Defense and Department of State personnel.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022764]Given how ill informed you and SC are (and you had to quote him and make me read his trash), I think we should really consider banning the votes of those living overseas and getting pensions and social security because that is all you douches care about. You constantly demonstrate you could give a shit about what conditions are really like in the USA.[/QUOTE][B]I am uniformed? Based on what criteria?[/B]

Because I don't look like you MAGAE2008? Because I don't think like you MAGAE2008?

The government's report showed the median sales price of a new home decreased nearly 6% in July from a year earlier to $403,800, the lowest for July since 2021. Prices have fallen on an annual basis every month this year except one.

This is to counter the Loony Toomsian vision where all economic news is due to who is president.

While Trump's actions are up for debate, Biden's never were.

How do you look at this graph and not conclude that Biden completely fucked over the poor?

[URL]https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/get_attachment_url%20-%202025-08-25T070846.927.jpg?itok=pAEVAHQT[/URL]

He printed up all this money after Covid and it went to wealthy homeowners while those who rented and were in debt got it up the ass.

And the illegals did not come in and start working as doctors, lawyers, and pilots. They were brought in to screw the blue collar worker.

Of all the things the Democratic douches have said, saying that those who support Trump support the billionaire class is the most stupid. The reason Trump won was not a bunch of Muslim turncoats. It was because Kamala was a shit candidate and Biden totally fucked over the lower and middle classes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3022910]And Trump is a billionaire and cheap labor helped him which was my point so thank you for that. This just shows how you Democratic douches never think things through.[/QUOTE]Yeah, his daddy left him money. Then he went bankrupt 3 times. What happened with the Taj Majal? LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3023026]Do You know, all Ukrainians speak fluent Russian and Putin was nothing in FSB in 1991 , becoming a killer later and after a dictator fucking deep now your MAGA. And Putin is a liar, not respecting agreements he signed.[/QUOTE]Also, I wish You know elections are fucked in Russia and Crimea. Putin even tried in Georgia and Romania.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023087]The government's report showed the median sales price of a new home decreased nearly 6% in July from a year earlier to $403,800, the lowest for July since 2021. Prices have fallen on an annual basis every month this year except one.

This is to counter the Loony Toomsian vision where all economic news is due to who is president.

While Trump's actions are up for debate, Biden's never were.

[B]How do you look at this graph and not conclude that Biden completely fucked over the poor?[/b]

[URL]https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/get_attachment_url%20-%202025-08-25T070846.927.jpg?itok=pAEVAHQT[/URL]

He printed up all this money after Covid and it went to wealthy homeowners while those who rented and were in debt got it up the ass.

And the illegals did not come in and start working as doctors, lawyers, and pilots. They were brought in to screw the blue collar worker.

Of all the things the Democratic douches have said, saying that those who support Trump support the billionaire class is the most stupid. The reason Trump won was not a bunch of Muslim turncoats. It was because Kamala was a shit candidate and Biden totally fucked over the lower and middle classes.[/QUOTE]Well, I look at that graph and see prices surged under Trump starting in 2020 due to Trump's Pandemic then stopped surging, stabilized and began to decline starting in 2022 under Biden and continued to decline in 2023,2024 and until today.

That's the graph you thought was going to make Trump look good and Biden look bad, right?

Just checking.

BTW, when are going to thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for that and so many other things?

[QUOTE]Trump cuts home prices again[/QUOTE]This is the very definition of socialism. The government controlling the markets. Always knew the MAGAs didn't understand democracy or capitalism.

At to that the executive order about burning the flag that violates the [B]1st Amendment[/B] rights of my fellow citizens.

[B]The Defense Rests![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023193]Well, I look at that graph and see prices surged under Trump starting in 2020 due to Trump's Pandemic then stopped surging, stabilized and began to decline starting in 2022 under Biden and continued to decline in 2023,2024 and until today.

That's the graph you thought was going to make Trump look good and Biden look bad, right?

Just checking.

BTW, when are going to thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for that and so many other things?[/QUOTE]The graph just shows what happened.

The average age of first-time homebuyers has steadily increased, rising from 33 in 2021 to 36 in 2022, and reaching 38 in 2024.

Kawashima-Ginsberg said young voters are issues-driven voters, and that bore out in the data with 40% saying the economy was their top issue.

CIRCLE, shows 46% of young people voted for Trump, up from 36% in 2020. Harris took 52% of the youth vote.

Trump won the youth vote in 17 states this election, compared to just seven states in 2020.

That you think these facts make Dems look good shows how demented you are. Maybe if you gave a shit about your fellow American versus just your social security handout, things might be a little clearer.

"The way I look at it", tell me Oatmeal for Brains, when has the way you looked at things ever found the Democrats wrong about anything?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Harris lost due to a Muslim conspiracy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023218]The graph just shows what happened.

The average age of first-time homebuyers has steadily increased, rising from 33 in 2021 to 36 in 2022, and reaching 38 in 2024.

Kawashima-Ginsberg said young voters are issues-driven voters, and that bore out in the data with 40% saying the economy was their top issue.

CIRCLE, shows 46% of young people voted for Trump, up from 36% in 2020. Harris took 52% of the youth vote.

Trump won the youth vote in 17 states this election, compared to just seven states in 2020.

That you think these facts make Dems look good shows how demented you are. Maybe if you gave a shit about your fellow American versus just your social security handout, things might be a little clearer.

"The way I look at it", tell me Oatmeal for Brains, when has the way you looked at things ever found the Democrats wrong about anything?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Harris lost due to a Muslim conspiracy.[/QUOTE]The average price of a gallon of regular gas is higher today than yesterday. It is higher both days than it was last week. Those prices are all higher than it was a month ago. It is higher today than it was the day Trump took office. It is higher today than it was on election day.

You would have to go all the way back to October 2024, almost a year ago, to see it was higher under Biden than it has been more often than not under Trump.

No mention of the USA Stock Market lately even though it has hit new all time highs lately? Maybe that's because the VAST majority of the gains in the USA Stock Market over the past year happened under Biden.

However, the graph below shows a nice big deep cavernous decline in the USA Stock Market under Trump in just the first 6 months of his 2nd term.

The rate of inflation that had been declining steadily under Biden all through 2024 has gone right back up under Trump.

All good for Americans, right?

Oh, then how about the latest jobs report that was so bad Trump fired the BLS Official for simply reporting them?

Do Americans love deficits and skyrocketing debt? Then they must be delighted with Trump for delivering way, way above and beyond on that count.

GDP Growth? It is running at 1.2% for the year so far.

This first year of Trump's 2nd term is the worst time for America since the last year of Trump's 1st term!

Uh. None of those 2024 demographic voter declines flipped a Blue state to Trump in 2024 except the Muslim demo shift from Dem to Trump in the only three swing states that mattered and the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to do just that. None.

And the maximum shift required to do that in those 3 states was less than a razor-thin 0.75 of a single percentage point.

Not a conspiracy. Just the only voter demographic shift that won Trump the White House and it was on a single issue over which only Netanyahu had control.

The farmers in Iowa that just flipped a Ruby Red State Senate Seat to solid Bue were not Muslims voting in some goofy way to punish the Biden Administration. Don't count on them to swoop in to save the day for America-hating Repub candidates any time soon.

Trans are Evil.

She and others at the CDC just aren't into mass murdering American kids and adults as much as Donald Trump is:

[B]White House fires CDC director Monarez after she refuses to resign.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/27/cdc-director-susan-monarez-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The White House on Wednesday said it has fired Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Susan Monarez after she refused to resign.

At least four other officials also submitted their resignations in a massive shakeup at the health agency.

The departures come at a tumultuous time for the agency, which is reeling from a gunmans attack on its Atlanta headquarters on Aug. 8.
..........
"When CDC Director Susan Monarez refused to rubber-stamp unscientific, reckless directives and fire dedicated health experts, she chose protecting the public over serving a political agenda, Zaid said in a statement. For that, she has been targeted.
.............

At least four other officials also submitted their resignations on Wednesday in a massive shakeup at the agency: Dr. Debra Houry, the CDCs chief medical officer; Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases; Dr. Daniel Jernigan, the director of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases; and Dr. Jennifer Layden, director of the Office of Public Health Data, Surveillance and Technology.

Houry, in a resignation letter obtained by NBC News, wrote about the dangers of the spread of vaccine misinformation and said proposed budget cuts and reorganization plans would negatively impact the CDCs ability to address conditions like hypertension, diabetes, cancer, overdoses and mental health issues.[/QUOTE]As Trump proved in 2018, 2019 and 2020, it is so much easier to mass murder at least a million Americans by defunding and removing the conduits of scientific facts and communication so deadly, virulent viruses and disease can spread unnoticed, unreported and unabated until it inevitably develops into a massively economically destructive worldwide Pandemic of "killing fields" in virtually every country on Earth but especially in the USA than it is to kill that many Americans with bullets from guns made blissfully easy for any and every loon to access, load, lock and fire at school children, church-goers, mall shoppers, etc.

Therefore, it is very important for Trump's CDC appointees to be as devoted to mass murdering as many Americans as he and his Cabinet Appointees are as well as to wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, skyrocketing inflation, the national debt and the deficit.

Promises made, promises kept.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023245]The average price of a gallon of regular gas is higher today than yesterday. It is higher both days than it was last week. Those prices are all higher than it was a month ago. It is higher today than it was the day Trump took office. It is higher today than it was on election day.

You would have to go all the way back to October 2024, almost a year ago, to see it was higher under Biden than it has been more often than not under Trump.[/QUOTE]No one cares.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023245]No mention of the USA Stock Market lately even though it has hit new all time highs lately? Maybe that's because the VAST majority of the gains in the USA Stock Market over the past year happened under Biden.

However, the graph below shows a nice big deep cavernous decline in the USA Stock Market under Trump in just the first 6 months of his 2nd term.[/QUOTE]How can the markets be at all time highs and in a cavernous decline?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023245]The rate of inflation that had been declining steadily under Biden all through 2024 has gone right back up under Trump.[/QUOTE]Well, that is certainly the way a demented Democratic douche would look at it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023245]None of those 2024 demographic voter declines flipped a Blue state to Trump in 2024 except the Muslim demo shift. Not a conspiracy. Just the only voter demographic shift that won Trump the White House and it was on a single issue over which only Netanyahu had control.[/QUOTE]So in 2016, it was Putin. In 2024, it is Netanyahu and Muslims. OMG.

How about you douches literally ran an administration with a demented president, did not listen to Democratic voters, selected the worst candidate I have seen in my lifetime who did not articulate any position outside of Fuck Trump and would not sit down for a prolonged interview, passed a massive spending bill leading to runaway inflation, flung open the border screwing over the lower and middle classes of America, and engaged in banana republic lawfare techniques that would make Venezuela blush?

Nah, that could not be it. You won an Iowa Senate Seat.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023341]No one cares.

How can the markets be at all time highs and in a cavernous decline?

Well, that is certainly the way a demented Democratic douche would look at it.

So in 2016, it was Putin. In 2024, it is Netanyahu and Muslims. OMG.

How about you douches literally ran an administration with a demented president, did not listen to Democratic voters, selected the worst candidate I have seen in my lifetime who did not articulate any position outside of Fuck Trump and would not sit down for a prolonged interview, passed a massive spending bill leading to runaway inflation, flung open the border screwing over the lower and middle classes of America, and engaged in banana republic lawfare techniques that would make Venezuela blush?

Nah, that could not be it. You won an Iowa Senate Seat.[/QUOTE]How about if the Dems had done that Trump might not have needed Putin's help again to eke out at least a 1 full percentage point swing win in the only three swing states that mattered instead of a razor-thin 0. 75 percentage point one thanks to a single voter demo over a single issue?

Uh. The gains in the market over the past year thanks by far mostly to Bidenomics would have been much higher today were it not for this year's cavernous decline clearly shown in the chart thanks to Trumpanomics.

Interesting to hear MAGAs suddenly don't care about the rate of inflation or the price of gas now that both have been and are continuing to going up under Trump. And why would that be, exactly?

How about the price of beef? Has there been a "Bovine Flu" causing beef prices to skyrocket the way Avian Flu truly did have everything to do with the skyrocketing increase of the price of eggs and nothing to do with Biden?

If so, please tell us all about it so we can share your lame excuses for Trump's horrible economic policy and stewardship results in just the first 7 months after Biden-Harris handed him The Envy of the World Economy.

BTW, that was the 2nd Ruby Red Iowa Senate Seat that went for Trump by 20 points the Dems flipped this year. And that isn't all. Why do you think Trump and the Repubs are panicking into pulling all the stops to create all new House districts mid-decade to prevent the slaughter they know is coming if they don't?

[B]Democrat flips Iowa state senate seat and breaks Republican supermajority.
Catelin Drey beats extremist Christopher Prosch, flipping district so Democrats can block governors appointments.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/27/catelin-drey-democrat-wins-iowa-state-senate-election[/URL]

[QUOTE]Despite Democrats struggles in Washington, this is the second Iowa state senate district they have flipped this year, after a January victory in a district Trump won by more than 20 percentage points.

Democrats have consistently overperformed in special legislative elections across the country, including winning another Trump-friendly seat in the state senate in Pennsylvania in March.[/QUOTE]See, there are no Muslim Community Leaders in Iowa leading the charge to punish the Biden Administration and America by swooping in to swing juuuust enough votes to help Putin and Netanyahu station their best Russian Russian Russian Assets from their favorite Russian Russian Russian Political Party in the White House and Congress.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023317]She and others at the CDC just aren't into mass murdering American kids and adults as much as Donald Trump is:

[B]White House fires CDC director Monarez after she refuses to resign.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/27/cdc-director-susan-monarez-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

As Trump proved in 2018, 2019 and 2020, it is so much easier to mass murder at least a million Americans by defunding and removing the conduits of scientific facts and communication so deadly, virulent viruses and disease can spread unnoticed, unreported and unabated until it inevitably develops into a massively economically destructive worldwide Pandemic of "killing fields" in virtually every country on Earth but especially in the USA than it is to kill that many Americans with bullets from guns made blissfully easy for any and every loon to access, load, lock and fire at school children, church-goers, mall shoppers, etc.

Therefore, it is very important for Trump's CDC appointees to be as devoted to mass murdering as many Americans as he and his Cabinet Appointees are as well as to wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, skyrocketing inflation, the national debt and the deficit.

Promises made, promises kept.[/QUOTE]This appears to be another DEI purge.

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Dr.[/URL]+Demetre+Daskalakis&rlz=1 CAKPLI_enUS1143 US1143&oq=Dr. +Demetre+Daskalakis&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjI0 MjYxOWowajSoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/meet-radical-gay-doctor-behind-nyc-s-falling-hiv-rate-n938596[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023404]Interesting to hear MAGAs suddenly don't care about the rate of inflation or the price of gas now that both have been and are continuing to going up under Trump. And why would that be, exactly?
How about the price of beef?[/QUOTE]Gas prices have been stable since 2022. Beef prices are up $2 per pound in the last five years. If you eat 2 pounds of beef per week, that is $8 a month. Big fucking deal. What does this show? You have no fucking clue where inflation is hitting the American consumer.

But the one thing we know about you is wherever those prices are higher, it is Trump's fault.

For 2026, health insurers have proposed a median premium increase of 18% across the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplaces, the largest requested increase since 2018.

This marks a notable rise compared to the previous year and reflects growing pressures from rising health care costs, increased utilization of high-priced drugs like GLP-1 agonists (e. G, Ozempic and Wegovy), labor shortages, and inflation.

Ozempic is crazy popular right now, and Americans are paying a $1000 a month for this versus people in the UK and Colombia which is paying $80. The bullshit you Dems have been pulling is you rally against high drug prices, then take money from drug company lobbyists, and then do nothing about high prices. The biggest bullshit excuse is Ozempic is made by a European company but American companies and local governments are prohibited by our federal government and the FDA from buying the drug in Europe and giving it to the people who need it here. The bullshit excuse is "safety".

Thing is Republicans are just as worthless as the Dems on this issue. They are just less hypocritical because they do not scream against drug companies with one exception in the Republican party and that is Trump. Trump does not do jack shit about either but he screams against them and is not dependent on them money wise so maybe, maybe drug companies may be more cautious raising future prices. Is that markedly better than Biden? Hell no, but it is a little better.

So for all your belly aching on Dems being so much better, they suck ass and so do Republicans. We do not have a choice between candidates who are going to bring drug prices down.

This is the biggest rising expense in our system and Obama made health care his #1 issue and he did not do jack shit about this. In fact, he made it worse!

But what about Trump? Like I said, he sucked on the issue too. The best he did was get rid of the ridiculously unconstitutional health care mandate.

So quit with your bullshit that the Dems are so much better than the Republicans when the reality is they both suck ass.

[QUOTE]How can the markets be at all time highs and in a cavernous decline?[/QUOTE]Is our MEGA MAGA really going to show his financially illiteracy by asking this question?

There is a distinct difference between main street and Wall Street. Between sentiment and execution. Gold continues to sky rocket. The DXY is at one of the lowest of the lows in the last 10 years. Making the dollar weaker is some fucked up thinking by a man who does not understand the power and responsibility of having the world's reserve currency. BRICS going to catch mother fuckers slippin in the end. Before they know it they will wonder how dey got got. Think Sears verses Amazon. Didn't happen instantly.

Can someone compare the price of NVDA and Gold with US Government 30 year bonds? After they do that can they tell me which one they would rather own?

Let's not even mention the rate of return of [B]Bitcoin[/B] since I first mentioned it. Peaked at 124,000 now hovering around 113,000.

[U]21 million[/U] verses unlimited printing power that the Dis-United States Government has over issuing debt and printing the dollar. Now the FED is going to lower interest rates and dramatically increase the price of assets.

[B]Tax Wealth not Work![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3020626]Since his first term and right up to today, no so-called potus has worked harder to defund the police than that most beloved Repub Party Icon of All Icons, Donald Trump.

[B]Trump decries crime rates, but his administration has slashed prevention efforts.
Aug. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-decries-crime-rates-but-his-administration-has-slashed-prevention-efforts[/URL]

[B]Donald Trump is defunding the police.
He's proposed cuts in budget after budget, and is holding up needed fiscal aid.
June 16, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/6/16/21286669/donald-trump-is-defunding-the-police[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/26/de-blasio-dems-have-to-be-much-more-honest-on-crime/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023451]Gas prices have been stable since 2022. Beef prices are up $2 per pound in the last five years. If you eat 2 pounds of beef per week, that is $8 a month. Big fucking deal. What does this show? You have no fucking clue where inflation is hitting the American consumer.

But the one thing we know about you is wherever those prices are higher, it is Trump's fault.

For 2026, health insurers have proposed a median premium increase of 18% across the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplaces, the largest requested increase since 2018.

This marks a notable rise compared to the previous year and reflects growing pressures from rising health care costs, increased utilization of high-priced drugs like GLP-1 agonists (e. G, Ozempic and Wegovy), labor shortages, and inflation.

Ozempic is crazy popular right now, and Americans are paying a $1000 a month for this versus people in the UK and Colombia which is paying $80. The bullshit you Dems have been pulling is you rally against high drug prices, then take money from drug company lobbyists, and then do nothing about high prices. The biggest bullshit excuse is Ozempic is made by a European company but American companies and local governments are prohibited by our federal government and the FDA from buying the drug in Europe and giving it to the people who need it here. The bullshit excuse is "safety".

Thing is Republicans are just as worthless as the Dems on this issue. They are just less hypocritical because they do not scream against drug companies with one exception in the Republican party and that is Trump. Trump does not do jack shit about either but he screams against them and is not dependent on them money wise so maybe, maybe drug companies may be more cautious raising future prices. Is that markedly better than Biden? Hell no, but it is a little better.

So for all your belly aching on Dems being so much better, they suck ass and so do Republicans. We do not have a choice between candidates who are going to bring drug prices down.

This is the biggest rising expense in our system and Obama made health care his #1 issue and he did not do jack shit about this. In fact, he made it worse!

But what about Trump? Like I said, he sucked on the issue too. The best he did was get rid of the ridiculously unconstitutional health care mandate.

So quit with your bullshit that the Dems are so much better than the Republicans when the reality is they both suck ass.[/QUOTE]Gas prices have been stable since 2022? Then what was all that belly-aching about gas prices being done by MAGAs and their Cult Leader Trump every day of 2022 and since until the day Trump was elected?

Please site and date the Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Jobs Destruction and / or skyrocketing Unemployment Rates into double digits and while you're at it the Bear Market Crashes that started under Dem Presidents instead of Repub presidents over the past 100 years. All of which there have been several over the past 100 years, BTW.

Let's see if actual irrefutable and inarguable data, historical records and facts support your claim that "they both suck" in any meaningful way on any important issue.

Of course, the great challenge as always is for any MAGAs to understand what the words and terms "rose", "higher", "up", "highest annual rate since" and "increased" mean.

Doubtful any will now.

[B]Core inflation rose to 2. 9% in July, highest since February.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/29/pce-inflation-report-july-2025.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Inflation edged [b]higher[/b] in July, according to the Federal Reserves preferred inflation measure, [b]indicating that President Donald Trumps tariffs are working their way through the U.S. economy.[/b]

The personal consumption expenditures price index showed that core inflation, which excludes food and energy costs, ran at a 2.9% seasonally adjusted annual rate, according to a Commerce Department report Friday. That was [b]up[/b] 0.1 percentage point from the June level and the [b]highest annual rate since February,[/b] though in line with the Dow Jones consensus forecast.

On a monthly basis, the core PCE index [b]increased[/b] 0.3%, also in line with expectations. The all-items index showed the annual rate at 2.6% and the monthly gain at 0.2%, also hitting the consensus outlook.[/QUOTE]However, help might be on the way for America!

[B]Most Trump tariffs ruled illegal by appeals court in huge blow to trade policy.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/29/trump-trade-tariffs-appeals-court-ieepa.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]A federal appeals court ruled that most of President Donald Trumps global tariffs are illegal, striking a massive blow to the core of his aggressive trade policy.

Fridays ruling is the Trump administrations second straight loss in the make-or-break case known as V.O.S. Selections v. Trump.

Trump attacked the appeals court as Highly Partisan and asserted that the Supreme Court will rule in his favor.[/QUOTE]Then again, he is probably right. 5-6 of the MAGA Repub so-called Justices on the SCOTUS very likely will rule in favor of whatever this current MAGA Repub so-called president wants to do in order to wreak havoc on the American Working Men and Women, make themselves and the other top 1% of the wealthiest Americans even wealthier at the great expense of everyone else and give him his best shot at reversing the Envy of the World Economy he inherited from Biden-Harris to turn it into the historic shit-storm of economic disaster and massive jobs destruction all Repub so-called presidents are contractually obligated to deliver sometime during their so-called presidential terms.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3023517][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/26/de-blasio-dems-have-to-be-much-more-honest-on-crime/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/08/28/mayor-muriel-bowser-we-greatly-appreciate-trumps-d-c-crime-crackdown/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/29/carville-rebukes-dnc-over-land-acknowledgment-try-to-win-fking-elections/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023710]Of course, the great challenge as always is for any MAGAs to understand what the words and terms "rose", "higher", "up", "highest annual rate since" and "increased" mean.

Doubtful any will now.

[B]Core inflation rose to 2. 9% in July, highest since February.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/29/pce-inflation-report-july-2025.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

However, help might be on the way for America!.[/QUOTE][URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

I'm willing to bet you 50 k USD this low IQ ruling is never implemented.

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3020626]Since his first term and right up to today, no so-called potus has worked harder to defund the police than that most beloved Repub Party Icon of All Icons, Donald Trump.

[B]Trump decries crime rates, but his administration has slashed prevention efforts.
Aug. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-decries-crime-rates-but-his-administration-has-slashed-prevention-efforts[/URL]

[B]Donald Trump is defunding the police.
He's proposed cuts in budget after budget, and is holding up needed fiscal aid.
June 16, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/6/16/21286669/donald-trump-is-defunding-the-police[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-are-society-destroyers[/URL]

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-has-transtifa-problem[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3023715][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/08/28/mayor-muriel-bowser-we-greatly-appreciate-trumps-d-c-crime-crackdown/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/29/carville-rebukes-dnc-over-land-acknowledgment-try-to-win-fking-elections/[/URL][/QUOTE][B]DC Mayor Bowser gives update on federal takeover of law enforcement in the district.
Aug. 27, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-dc-mayor-bowser-gives-update-on-federal-takeover-of-law-enforcement-in-the-district[/URL]

[QUOTE]Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announced the move Wednesday during the launch of the NextGen Acela high-speed train. Duffy says Union Station has fallen into disrepair when it should be a point of pride for the city, where Trumps Republican administration has increased federal law enforcement and immigration agents.

Duffy echoes Trumps call for[b] $2 billion from Congress[/b] to beautify Washington as part of his crackdown on the city.[/QUOTE]1. Yes, having armed military troops on the ground does tend to reduce crime. But Trump really needs to station them in the many Red Cities in Red States with much higher violent crime and homicide rates than Blue ones, especially higher than [B]D.C.[/B].

2. The Mayor of [B]D.C.[/B] wants that $2 Billion dangling in the air and available as long as she says nice things about Trump's hair and how his ever swelling ankles actually make the rest of his body look slimmer.

Interesting that so many other Mainstream Media sources fail to mention that critical $2 Billion part of it the same as your Breitbart link avoided it like the plague, isn't it? LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023852][B]DC Mayor Bowser gives update on federal takeover of law enforcement in the district.
Aug. 27, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-dc-mayor-bowser-gives-update-on-federal-takeover-of-law-enforcement-in-the-district[/URL]

1. Yes, having armed military troops on the ground does tend to reduce crime. But Trump really needs to station them in the many Red Cities in Red States with much higher violent crime and homicide rates than Blue ones, especially higher than [B]D.C.[/B].

2. The Mayor of [B]D.C.[/B] wants that $2 Billion dangling in the air and available as long as she says nice things about Trump's hair and how his ever swelling ankles actually make the rest of his body look slimmer.

Interesting that so many other Mainstream Media sources fail to mention that critical $2 Billion part of it the same as your Breitbart link avoided it like the plague, isn't it? LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/top-liberal-podcast-declares-democratic-party-experiencing-one-its-worst-points-history[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyOMNUJo11Y[/URL]

There's a special place in hell for all of you America hating losers!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023710]Of course, the great challenge as always is for any MAGAs to understand what the words and terms "rose", "higher", "up", "highest annual rate since" and "increased" mean.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/01/how-the-economy-really-fared-under-bidenharris-and-trump-from-jobs-to-inflation-final-update/[/URL]

If you ever wonder why I call you Democratic this is it. All you can do is lie. Inflation has been far worse during the Biden administration, up 20.1% over the first 45 months of Biden's term compared to 7. 1% during Trump's first 45 months, according to the government's consumer price index. That equates to annualized inflation rates of 5. 4% under Biden and 1.9% under Trump.

So 5.4% inflation is better than 2.9%? LOL. I am Loony Tooms. I am not a MAGA guy. I am so fucking smart. Yeesh.

Just when I think you think you cannot be any more stupid, I was wrong. If you look here, [URL]https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/personal-income-and-outlays-july-2025[/URL], the two numbers where the consumers spent less money in the PCE report is the exact area you were griping about, food and gasoline. You cannot make this shit up.

The only amusing part with you is how you worm out of it: Will it be attacking the source? Moving the goal posts? More arrogance? Or will it be the way I read it? Yes, the way I read it inflation was much better under Biden.

The reality is no matter what the numbers were with Trump you were going to griping about Trump no matter what, and everyone here knows it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3023834][URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

I'm willing to bet you 50 k USD this low IQ ruling is never implemented.

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL]

[URL]https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Federal_Circuit[/URL][/QUOTE]Who, except with only very few neurons US, or criminal Netanyahou, or criminal dictator Putin who found a orange barbie to fuck deep since elected for second time, who can appreciate USA with so bad image, really no MAGA but ridiculous by Putin. US have to buy some neurons. Tell your stupid: only way to stop Putin who makes fun of down USA, is to make him broke and Russians with starvation, then they will eat their dictator who fucked elections to be re elected, when almost all Ukrainians support Zelensky for his balls. Fortunately, Europe support much more Ukraine than Trump and give them money to pay robber USA.

If you want completely objective evidence of how crazy Democrats are, there is this article, [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/0-democrats-happy-state-us-gallup-2120091[/URL]

0% of Democrats Happy with State of the US Right Now.

While 76 percent of Republicans say they are satisfied with the direction of the country, just 0. 4 percent of Democrats said the same. The 76-point gap is the highest Gallup has ever recorded on the measure, though a 75-point gap was recorded in May and 74-point gaps in March and July.

As to why, we could see our very own Loony Tooms screaming about a 2. 7% inflation rate which is lower than the average rate was under Biden and is in the EXACT same 2 to 3% range for 2024.

I could get Dems being in an uproar if it were 10+%, but it is the same.

So why are Dems freaking out? Because they are listening to the media with its Trump derangement syndrome, and here is the proof.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/umich-sentiment-collapses-near-45-year-record-lows-democrats-inflation-dissonance[/URL]

Year-ahead inflation expectations surged from 6.7% last month to 7.3% this month, the highest reading since 1981 and marking five consecutive months of unusually large increases of 0. 5 percentage points or more.

This month's rise was seen across all three political affiliations. Long-run inflation expectations climbed from 4. 4% in April to 4. 6% in May, reflecting a particularly large jump among Democrats to a ridiculous 9. 6% over the next year!!

Sorry, one more that made us fucking laugh. One-third of women surveyed believe inflation over the next year will be 15% or higher.

Is the soft-data slump all driven by leftists imbibing mainstream media's desperate propaganda-fueled terror of what Trump is doing?

End of link.

The answer to the question of course is yes.

What gets me is that these same Democratic douches constantly use the phrase TACO in terms of talking about Trump. TACO stands for Trump always chickening out. When Trump put in tariffs, and the bond and stock markets tanked, he backed off of them.

What kills me about these Democratic douches is Trump has already showed willingness to back off tariffs if they cause harm. It is logical to be afraid of inflation is you think tariffs are going to cause them, but having TDS means you fear tariffs at the same time you call Trump TACO.

But what really gets me is the same douches were giving the thumbs up with Biden when inflation went as high as 9. 2%. Every time Biden talked about Bidenomics, his approval rating and poll numbers tanked, and we have the same set of douches here going on about how great the economy was under Biden.

In 2024, the economy was the same as it is now under Trump, but in 2022, Biden's economy sucked ass.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023852][B]DC Mayor Bowser gives update on federal takeover of law enforcement in the district.
Aug. 27, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-dc-mayor-bowser-gives-update-on-federal-takeover-of-law-enforcement-in-the-district[/URL]

1. Yes, having armed military troops on the ground does tend to reduce crime. But Trump really needs to station them in the many Red Cities in Red States with much higher violent crime and homicide rates than Blue ones, especially higher than [B]D.C.[/B].

2. The Mayor of [B]D.C.[/B] wants that $2 Billion dangling in the air and available as long as she says nice things about Trump's hair and how his ever swelling ankles actually make the rest of his body look slimmer.

Interesting that so many other Mainstream Media sources fail to mention that critical $2 Billion part of it the same as your Breitbart link avoided it like the plague, isn't it? LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/08/self-deportation-is-real/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3023869]There's a special place in [b]hell[/b] for all of you America hating losers![/QUOTE]Actually there is not. My sources tell me that all current reservations for future stays in [B]HELL[/B] are for MAGAs who hate their fellow citizens.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023881][URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/01/how-the-economy-really-fared-under-bidenharris-and-trump-from-jobs-to-inflation-final-update/[/URL]

If you ever wonder why I call you Democratic this is it. All you can do is lie. Inflation has been far worse during the Biden administration, up 20.1% over the first 45 months of Biden's term compared to 7. 1% during Trump's first 45 months, according to the government's consumer price index. That equates to annualized inflation rates of 5. 4% under Biden and 1.9% under Trump.

So 5.4% inflation is better than 2.9%? LOL. I am Loony Tooms. I am not a MAGA guy. I am so fucking smart. Yeesh.[/QUOTE]Great Dem Economic Recoveries from Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Great Repub Historic Jobs Destruction always accompany bouts of higher inflation.

When a so-called president leaves office with fewer jobs in the country than were in the country 4 years earlier as Repub Herbert Hoover and Repub Donald Trump did and no other president has done in 100 years, you can naturally expect the cost of everything to be pretty damn low at the bottom of that pit.

Is that the result you were hoping Trump would repeat in his 2nd term? He's working very hard to accomplish that for you. In fact, he is apparently trying to repeat that same result by applying the same principle of laying the groundwork for, ushering in and exacerbating another Trump's Pandemic of a deadly disease of one kind or another to mass murder millions of people, collapse global supply-chains, wipe out millions of jobs, close down businesses and schools, trigger hyper-inflation during any recovery, etc, etc.

Why argue with success, right? He knows how to do that better than anyone on the planet. From personal experience doing it once already.

Is that why 76% of Repubs love the direction Trump is taking the country?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3023947]If you want completely objective evidence of how crazy Democrats are, there is this article, [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/0-democrats-happy-state-us-gallup-2120091[/URL]

0% of Democrats Happy with State of the US Right Now.

While 76 percent of Republicans say they are satisfied with the direction of the country, just 0. 4 percent of Democrats said the same. The 76-point gap is the highest Gallup has ever recorded on the measure, though a 75-point gap was recorded in May and 74-point gaps in March and July.

As to why, we could see our very own Loony Tooms screaming about a 2. 7% inflation rate which is lower than the average rate was under Biden and is in the EXACT same 2 to 3% range for 2024.

I could get Dems being in an uproar if it were 10+%, but it is the same.

So why are Dems freaking out? Because they are listening to the media with its Trump derangement syndrome, and here is the proof.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/umich-sentiment-collapses-near-45-year-record-lows-democrats-inflation-dissonance[/URL]

Year-ahead inflation expectations surged from 6.7% last month to 7.3% this month, the highest reading since 1981 and marking five consecutive months of unusually large increases of 0. 5 percentage points or more.
[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-says-he-will-issue-executive-order-require-voter-id[/URL]

Combined with all the deportations and no more mail in fraud and the cheaters are Sooper fucked.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024003]Is that the result you were hoping Trump would repeat in his 2nd term? He's working very hard to accomplish that for you. In fact, he is apparently trying to repeat that same result by applying the same principle of laying the groundwork for, ushering in and exacerbating another Trump's Pandemic of a deadly disease of one kind or another to mass murder millions of people, collapse global supply-chains, wipe out millions of jobs, close down businesses and schools, trigger hyper-inflation during any recovery, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]Tooms, you deluded yourself into thinking that Trump was somehow responsible for the pandemic. You claim that he dissolved this one committee of brilliant scientists in China who somehow were going to stop the pandemic. I have asked what these scientists were actually going to do, and like usual, you came up with nothing.

If your premise is right and given the damage that ensued with Covid, why didn't the California governor hire them? Or the British PM? Or the Sultan of Burnei? Why do all these people get a pass?

And outside of testing when flying back into the country and the disasterous vaccine mandates, Biden did not change much of anything Trump was doing in 2021 and as we have said so often, there were more Covid deaths in 2021 than 2020.

So just like with the inflation data, you cannot come up with any objective reason why Biden was better than Trump. The only reason you are carrying on about Trump is you have rabid TDS.

As far as Republicans being optimistic, Ha!, that is a low bar to jump. Biden was so bad your own party revoked his nomination. If he were so great, why weren't you screaming that he should stay on the ballot?

Apparently Little Marco's stated Trump policy in May was before some Chinese oligarch or other proponent of the Chinese Communist Party gifted Trump with some gold leaf covered piece of shit trinket to get him to change his mind about helping 600 thousand members of the Chinese Communist Party collect as much USA intel and tech they can gather and take it back to Xi in China:

[B]Trump saying 600,000 Chinese students could come to the US draws MAGA backlash.[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-saying-600-000-chinese-193828056.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (AP) President Donald Trump seemingly caught his loyal conservative base off-guard and sparked backlash by saying he would allow 600,000 Chinese students into American universities.

That would be a departure for the Donald Trump administration after it added new vetting for student visas, moved to block foreign enrollment at Harvard and expanded the grounds for terminating international students ability to study in the United States.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has singled out China, the second highest source of international students in the U.S., saying in May that the State Department would revoke visas for students tied to the Chinese Communist Party and boost vetting of new applicants.

Trump's announcement Monday adds to the confusion about the administration's restrictive visa policies and its approach to China as the superpowers tussle over trade and intensifying tech competition. It also marks another divide with figures in Trump's Make America Great Again base, who tout an America First agenda and had contested the U.S. inserting itself in the recent Israel-Iran war.[/QUOTE]Or was this just another negotiation point that Xi won from Trump without offering anything substantial to America in return, other than perhaps a personal promise to provide him with free golf tees for life whenever Trump plays golf in China?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3024035]Tooms, you deluded yourself into thinking that Trump was somehow responsible for the pandemic. You claim that he dissolved this one committee of brilliant scientists in China who somehow were going to stop the pandemic. I have asked what these scientists were actually going to do, and like usual, you came up with nothing.

If your premise is right and given the damage that ensued with Covid, why didn't the California governor hire them? Or the British PM? Or the Sultan of Burnei? Why do all these people get a pass?

And outside of testing when flying back into the country and the disasterous vaccine mandates, Biden did not change much of anything Trump was doing in 2021 and as we have said so often, there were more Covid deaths in 2021 than 2020.

So just like with the inflation data, you cannot come up with any objective reason why Biden was better than Trump. The only reason you are carrying on about Trump is you have rabid TDS.

As far as Republicans being optimistic, Ha!, that is a low bar to jump. Biden was so bad your own party revoked his nomination. If he were so great, why weren't you screaming that he should stay on the ballot?[/QUOTE]Joe Biden didn't defund and remove the highly successful Pandemic Prevention and Response team leadership from the entire scene in 2018 and 2019 where had they been in place to issue an alert about the emerging Covid cases "2 months sooner" we could have avoided all the trouble and stopped the Pandemic "easily".

As Trump himself admitted to Bob Woodward in a March 2020 recorded interview.

That alone makes Joe Biden immeasurably better than Donald Trump.

And everyone knows if Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama or any other Dem had done that just months before the worst Pandemic in our lifetimes developed virtually unmonitored and reported, that is all Trump, Fux News, Breitbart, Newsmax and YOU would have been talking about and reminding everyone of since January 2020.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023520]Gas prices have been stable since 2022? Then what was all that belly-aching about gas prices being done by MAGAs and their Cult Leader Trump every day of 2022 and since until the day Trump was elected?

[B]Please site and date the Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Jobs Destruction and / or skyrocketing Unemployment Rates into double digits and while you're at it the Bear Market Crashes that started under Dem Presidents instead of Repub presidents over the past 100 years. All of which there have been several over the past 100 years, BTW.[/b]

Let's see if actual irrefutable and inarguable data, historical records and facts support your claim that "they both suck" in any meaningful way on any important issue.[/QUOTE]Can't anyone help Elvis come up with any dates for my humble request in bold above? It's embarrassing that he keeps resorting to that bizarre bit about how more MAGAs that fell for Trump's lie that his Pandemic virus "is disappearing" and "will go away without a vaccine" died as a direct result of falling for that lie after Trump got his ass kicked out of the White House than he managed to mass murder before he got his ass kicked out of the White House.

LOL. We can only assume that was Trump's goal in telling that deadly lie all through 2020 right up to a few days before the election.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3023317]She and others at the CDC just aren't into mass murdering American kids and adults as much as Donald Trump is:

[B]White House fires CDC director Monarez after she refuses to resign.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/27/cdc-director-susan-monarez-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

As Trump proved in 2018, 2019 and 2020, it is so much easier to mass murder at least a million Americans by defunding and removing the conduits of scientific facts and communication so deadly, virulent viruses and disease can spread unnoticed, unreported and unabated until it inevitably develops into a massively economically destructive worldwide Pandemic of "killing fields" in virtually every country on Earth but especially in the USA than it is to kill that many Americans with bullets from guns made blissfully easy for any and every loon to access, load, lock and fire at school children, church-goers, mall shoppers, etc.

Therefore, it is very important for Trump's CDC appointees to be as devoted to mass murdering as many Americans as he and his Cabinet Appointees are as well as to wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, skyrocketing inflation, the national debt and the deficit.

Promises made, promises kept.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-09-01/meet-fairy-hell-charge-vaccines-cdc-until-last-week[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024155]Joe Biden didn't defund and remove the highly successful Pandemic Prevention and Response team leadership from the entire scene in 2018 and 2019 where had they been in place to issue an alert about the emerging Covid cases "2 months sooner" we could have avoided all the trouble and stopped the Pandemic "easily".[/QUOTE]Why would this team have any power in China? What proven therapy was this team supposed to offer that would have stopped Covid dead in its track? Why did another country's leadership not hire this team if they were that damned great?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024191]Can't anyone help Elvis come up with any dates for my humble request in bold above?[/QUOTE]You have run out of lies and need to phone a friend?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024191]It's embarrassing that he keeps resorting to that bizarre bit about how more MAGAs that fell for Trump's lie that his Pandemic virus "is disappearing" and "will go away without a vaccine" died as a direct result of falling for that lie[/QUOTE]Name one world leader who had an effective policy that stopped Covid in its tracks. Covid is a cold virus, so you are blaming Trump for not stopping a disease with no cure?

That you cannot answer these questions is proof you have TDS.

Seeing as how you knew what the cure for Covid is, why didn't you stop it?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024048]Apparently Little Marco's stated Trump policy in May was before some Chinese oligarch or other proponent of the Chinese Communist Party gifted Trump with some gold leaf covered piece of shit trinket to get him to change his mind about helping 600 thousand members of the Chinese Communist Party collect as much USA intel and tech they can gather and take it back to Xi in China:

[B]Trump saying 600,000 Chinese students could come to the US draws MAGA backlash.[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-saying-600-000-chinese-193828056.html[/URL]

Or was this just another negotiation point that Xi won from Trump without offering anything substantial to America in return, other than perhaps a personal promise to provide him with free golf tees for life whenever Trump plays golf in China?[/QUOTE]That should be your new ISG moniker Bangkok Rose, your hated of America and Americans is sickening.

Just look at your hatred of your own people with your lame ass memes.

600 k CCP spies? Lolol in the social sciences maybe.

Don't think taco will let them in anything we have of real value!

You're a treasonous traitor just as bad as her!

I really hope Our Lord and Savior voids your SS and your Passport.

You will be homeless and stateless.

Maybe you can illegally reenter California where you belong to live on its streets.

What is it about Trump that he can't seem to do anything without breaking the law?

Apparently, he doesn't know how to do anything without breaking the law.

[B]Treasury yields jump on prospect of USA Having to refund tariff money.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/us-treasury-yields-investors-look-to-key-jobs-report.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Treasury yields jumped on Tuesday to begin September trading as a court decision knocking down most of the Trump administrations tariffs raised the prospect of the government having to repay the money already brought in, stretching an already-stressed U.S. fiscal situation.
..............
U.S. President Donald Trumps tariffs are in focus after a federal appeals court on Friday ruled that most of his global tariffs are illegal. The court determined in a 7-4 ruling that only Congress has the power to implement sweeping levies. Trump responded that the decision was highly partisan and that he will be appealing the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The core Congressional power to impose taxes such as tariffs is vested exclusively in the legislative branch by the Constitution, the court said. The duties remain in place for now, however.[/QUOTE][B]Trump can't use National Guard, military in California to enforce laws: judge.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/trump-national-guard-california-newsom.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]A federal judge Tuesday barred President Donald Trump from deploying National Guard troops in California to execute law-enforcement actions there, including making arrests, searching locations, and crowd control.

The ruling came in connection with a lawsuit by the state of California challenging Trumps deployment of the Guard to deal with protests in Los Angeles over the Trump administrations immigration enforcement policies.

Judge Charles Breyer said that Trumps deployment of the troops violated the federal Posse Comitatus Act.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3024262]Why would this team have any power in China? What proven therapy was this team supposed to offer that would have stopped Covid dead in its track? Why did another country's leadership not hire this team if they were that damned great?

You have run out of lies and need to phone a friend?

Name one world leader who had an effective policy that stopped Covid in its tracks. Covid is a cold virus, so you are blaming Trump for not stopping a disease with no cure?

That you cannot answer these questions is proof you have TDS.

Seeing as how you knew what the cure for Covid is, why didn't you stop it?[/QUOTE]How many times have I posted a series of real news source links for what you are still blitheringly ill-informed about?

Here are just a couple. Again:

[B]Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak.[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/[/URL]

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.
..........
The Atlanta-based CDC, Americas preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.

The CDCs China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals.
..........
"The CDC office in Beijing is a shell of its former self," said one of the people, a U.S. official who worked in China at the time of the drawdown.

Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trumps watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
...........

Over the last two years, the White House has pushed U.S. agencies with a presence in China to de-fund programs there along with the positions to manage them, according to the U.S. official who spoke to Reuters.[/QUOTE]Trump stupidly deferred the duties of monitoring and reporting the earliest potential cases and signs of emerging viral spreads in China TO the Chinese, known for keeping those things secret and the precise reason it was so critically important to station the agencies Trump removed in those locations.

Now, see that number 160 in the headline below? That is a pretty damn good number of potential deadly viral spreads that were identified, reported, addressed and responded to early enough to prevent them from developing into a Pandemic.

Wouldn't it have been nice if the key leadership had not been stupidly defunded and removed by Trump so that number counted at least 161?

[B]Trump administration cut pandemic early warning program in September.
Predict project wound down three months before outbreak.
Project had identified 160 potentially dangerous coronaviruses.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Trump administration decided to end a $200m early warning program designed to alert it to potential pandemics just three months before it is believed Covid-19 began infecting people in China.[/QUOTE]Why didn't other countries hire and station those scientists in those locations if they were so great?

WTF are you even talking about?

It was a hard earned, maneuvered and won relationship between the USA and China. It isn't about "curing" a virus for which early cases emerged. It is about identifying what kind of illnesses they produce, how they are spread and then springing into action as quickly as possible to isolate and quarantine cases in order to prevent it from spreading uncontrolled so as to become a pandemic or perhaps to thereby delay that much of a spread until reliable, tested and safe vaccines can be invented in order to prevent serious illness or death.

Still too complicated for you?

The world assumed the USA would never be so stupid as to elect a so-called president that would trash that position of extreme importance and shift that money to funding endless weekends of taxpayer-funded golf excursions at his failed golf resorts.

Now they know they assumed wrong.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024339]What is it about Trump that he can't seem to do anything without breaking the law?

Apparently, he doesn't know how to do anything without breaking the law.

[B]Treasury yields jump on prospect of USA Having to refund tariff money.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/us-treasury-yields-investors-look-to-key-jobs-report.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[B]Trump can't use National Guard, military in California to enforce laws: judge.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/trump-national-guard-california-newsom.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment, I am rooting for him because his success will be America's success, but it could lead to disaster down the road. Well see.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]How many times have I posted a series of real news source links for what you are still blitheringly ill-informed about?

Here are just a couple. Again:

[B]Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak.[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/[/URL]

Trump stupidly deferred the duties of monitoring and reporting the earliest potential cases and signs of emerging viral spreads in China TO the Chinese, known for keeping those things secret and the precise reason it was so critically important to station the agencies Trump removed in those locations.

Now, see that number 160 in the headline below? That is a pretty damn good number of potential deadly viral spreads that were identified, reported, addressed and responded to early enough to prevent them from developing into a Pandemic.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/woke-rats-jump-ship-and-democrats-rage-trump-puts-cdc-under-microscope[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/[/QUOTE]You Democratic douches think if the government throws money at anything, it can be fixed. First, you mention cancer. Now you mention curing the common cold. We have spent uptold billions since then, and there is no cure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]Trump stupidly deferred the duties of monitoring and reporting the earliest potential cases and signs of emerging viral spreads in China TO the Chinese, known for keeping those things secret and the precise reason it was so critically important to station the agencies Trump removed in those locations.[/QUOTE]I see. So we should have invaded China? How can it be Trump's pandemic when you are blaming China now?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]That is a pretty damn good number of potential deadly viral spreads that were identified, reported, addressed and responded to early enough to prevent them from developing into a Pandemic.[/QUOTE]There is an unlimited number of Corona viruses that can be made in a lab. Wait, you think this virus occurred in nature? OMG.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]It isn't about "curing" a virus for which early cases emerged.[/QUOTE]So Trump killed all those people but he did not have a cure that he withheld? LOL. What was he supposed to do?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]It is about identifying what kind of illnesses they produce, how they are spread and then springing into action as quickly as possible to isolate and quarantine cases in order to prevent it from spreading uncontrolled so as to become a pandemic or perhaps to thereby delay that much of a spread until reliable, tested and safe vaccines can be invented in order to prevent serious illness or death.[/QUOTE]Yeah, all those methods to slow the spread of the disease failed. LOL. You seemed to have missed that part.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024352]Still too complicated for you?

The world assumed the USA would never be so stupid as to elect a so-called president that would trash that position of extreme importance and shift that money to funding endless weekends of taxpayer-funded golf excursions at his failed golf resorts.

Now they know they assumed wrong.[/QUOTE]Oh, I have it now. It was Trump taking those golf excursions that led to the pandemic. Tooms, are you off your meds again? If this is not TDS, I do not know what is.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024421]People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment, I am rooting for him because his success will be America's success, but it could lead to disaster down the road. Well see.[/QUOTE]I would almost agree with your contention with regard to Democratic Administrations hypothetically getting a pass if they did nothing but break the law, lie, cheat and steal to get their policies passed and agenda accomplished since they DO produce results that "puts more money in peoples' pockets".

But no Repub Administration has produced results that do any such thing compared to virtually every Dem Administration, LEAST of all Donald Trump's 4 1/2 years as a so-called potus so far; Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Historically Massive Jobs Destruction and USA Stock Market and Housing Market Crashes? Yes.

More money in most Americans' pockets? Nope. Hasn't happened in 100 years. And sure as hell has not been the net result of Trump's miserable policy and stewardship results to date.

It is a Cult. They love him more the more he fails to deliver whatever positives his Cult thought he ever promised but not delivered and then just whines and cries like an oversized Titty Baby being pulled away from his mommy's teat at age 7.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3024427][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/woke-rats-jump-ship-and-democrats-rage-trump-puts-cdc-under-microscope[/URL][/QUOTE]I am guessing neither you nor the writer of that hogwash in your link nor anyone else who thinks Trump's Pandemic was a "hoax" or overstated or over-reacted to blah blah blah based on some idiocy about how low the death rate from Covid was or how few people were directly at risk of serious illness or death due to Trump's Pandemic's virus hasn't got the slightest clue what "Flatten The Curve" meant, was all about and how that was a critical goal to try to achieve or Trump would have mass murdered millions more Americans and others around the World.

And perhaps they never even heard the term or bothered to try to understand it when it was explained back in early 2020 with regard to why business, school, entertainment and travel venues needed to close to better achieve that goal.

Am I right?

Lololol.

Trump thinks the Epstein Files hysteria he and his MAGA Trump Cult spent years spinning conspiracy theories around until his DOJ Bimbo took a closer look and counted the times Trump was named in them is just a "distraction" from all the economic success he has been enjoying since January 20,2025.

Lololol.

I don't know who he can fire to make sure their replacement doctors these numbers for him from now on. But I suspect the other jobs numbers coming out Thursday and Friday might very well motivate him to deploy armed USA Military to Chicago, New York City, San Francisco and every other big Blue State city responsible for carrying and bailing out a huge percentage of Red States as his own attempt to distract from all this "success. ".

[B]Job opening data falls to levels rarely seen since pandemic.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/03/job-opening-data-falls-to-levels-rarely-seen-since-pandemic.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Job Openings and Labor Turnover report showed around 7.18 million listings in July.

Thats a reading rarely seen since the pandemic took hold of the U.S. economy.
..........
"This is a turning point for the labor market," said Heather Long, chief economist at Navy Federal Credit Union. Its yet another crack.

"This is yet another data point underscoring how this job market is frozen and its difficult for anyone to get a job right now," Long added.

Weekly jobless claims data due on Thursday will offer the next round of insight into the health of the job market. Then, attention turns to the closely followed jobs report on Friday morning.[/QUOTE]Oh, wait! His big distraction from all this success is probably the Trump's Pandemic Part 2 that he and his quack Director of HHS are working tirelessly to produce almost exactly the same way he produced Trump's Pandemic Part 1 with regard to defunding and removing the very agencies charged with monitoring, testing, communicating, alerting, Preventing and Responding to emerging viral spreads that could convert into deadly, worldwide economy-destroying Pandemics but for the efforts of those agencies he wants to again defund and remove!

Forget hardworking Americans, it just billionaires buddies, pedos jailed or dead and the constant pardoning of criminals, are the only Americans the MAGA Fuhrer likes or cares about.

As the MAGA Fuhrer shucks n' jives he's way through another week of dictatorial "war on crime in ONLY blue states/cities", to distract from the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF), from being released, it seems bipartisan and public support is mounting.

YouGov data shows, 79% of Americans (including 85% of Democrats and 75% of Republicans) believe the government should release all documents related to the Epstein case, as the Pam "Blondie" DOJs actions resemble a "continued cover-up" rather than a genuine effort to uncover the truth and deliver the so called "gov't transparency", the MAGA Fuhrer campaigned on. [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[b]Disapproval of Trump, bipartisanship on Epstein, shift on Russia interference, the EPA, and tariffs: July 25 - 28, 2025 Economist/YouGov Poll [/b] [url]https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52680-disapproval-donald-trump-bipartisanship-jeffrey-epstein-shift-2016-election-russia-interference-epa-environment-trade-tariffs-july-25-28-2025-economist-yougov-poll[/url]

The MAGA Fuhrer, just called MDS1's city of Chicago [b]"a hellhole",[/b] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] ...so I guess this is the NEXT "crime infested" blue city on the chopping block, for an immediate distraction, in the wake of the EPSF nightmare that just won't go away, bad tariff policies, rising interest rates, sagging economy, and one of the worst and record low disapproval ratings ever by a sitting president.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024457]I would almost agree with your contention with regard to Democratic Administrations hypothetically getting a pass if they did nothing but break the law, lie, cheat and steal to get their policies passed and agenda accomplished since they DO produce results that "puts more money in peoples' pockets".

But no Repub Administration has produced results that do any such thing compared to virtually every Dem Administration, LEAST of all Donald Trump's 4 1/2 years as a so-called potus so far; Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Historically Massive Jobs Destruction and USA Stock Market and Housing Market Crashes? Yes.

More money in most Americans' pockets? Nope. Hasn't happened in 100 years. And sure as hell has not been the net result of Trump's miserable policy and stewardship results to date.

It is a Cult. They love him more the more he fails to deliver whatever positives his Cult thought he ever promised but not delivered and then just whines and cries like an oversized Titty Baby being pulled away from his mommy's teat at age 7.[/QUOTE]

Touché. ...and a GREAT rebuttal, with regards to that absolute pile of right-wing MAGA rubbish!

It amazing what passes for so called intellect on the right and the excuses that follow, when the QAnon/MAGA/Repubs can't grapple with a reality that bites!

But it's funny when the very same MAGA suckers, think their MAGA Fuhrer, could:[LIST][i][b]"...kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i][/LIST]and yet still doesn't think his Fuhrer is a fascist, is a cognitive dissonance, they'll repeat ad nauseam, only IMHO highlighting the very same cultist mindset you've nicely outlined.

[b]NOTE:[/b] Was this the same dude, that give the sob story (not so long ago) about his friend dying from (I think, if I remember correctly) fentanyl drugs/painkillers (??) Well I guess using his same twisted right-wing MAGA logic,[LIST] [i][b]"...why should anyone care if Americans are dying from fentanyl, just a long as it puts money in people's pocket?[/b] Or means less mouths to feed?" [/i][/LIST]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024539]Trump thinks the Epstein Files hysteria he and his MAGA Trump Cult spent years spinning conspiracy theories around until his DOJ Bimbo took a closer look and counted the times Trump was named in them is just a "distraction" from all the economic success he has been enjoying since January 20,2025.

Lololol.

I don't know who he can fire to make sure their replacement doctors these numbers for him from now on. But I suspect the other jobs numbers coming out Thursday and Friday might very well motivate him to deploy armed USA Military to Chicago, New York City, San Francisco and every other big Blue State city responsible for carrying and bailing out a huge percentage of Red States as his own attempt to distract from all this "success. ".

[B]Job opening data falls to levels rarely seen since pandemic.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/03/job-opening-data-falls-to-levels-rarely-seen-since-pandemic.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Oh, wait! His big distraction from all this success is probably the Trump's Pandemic Part 2 that he and his quack Director of HHS are working tirelessly to produce almost exactly the same way he produced Trump's Pandemic Part 1 with regard to defunding and removing the very agencies charged with monitoring, testing, communicating, alerting, Preventing and Responding to emerging viral spreads that could convert into deadly, worldwide economy-destroying Pandemics but for the efforts of those agencies he wants to again defund and remove![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/04/trump-i-am-giving-serious-consideration-to-revoking-rosie-odonnells-citizenship/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/09/04/video-what-is-enough-woman-punched-by-career-criminal-in-chicago-speaks-out/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3024724][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/09/04/video-what-is-enough-woman-punched-by-career-criminal-in-chicago-speaks-out/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/09/04/durbin-national-guard-certainly-could-make-a-difference-in-chicago-but-locals-didnt-invite-them/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3024637]Touch. ...and a GREAT rebuttal, with regards to that absolute pile of right-wing MAGA rubbish!

It amazing what passes for so called intellect on the right and the excuses that follow, when the QAnon/MAGA/Repubs can't grapple with a reality that bites![/QUOTE]I am really getting tired of typing the same thing over and over again. Your also taking my post completely out of context which is a dirty move and I take that personal. It's a cheap shot and a piece of shit move Spidy. Your dishonesty just makes you look weak, desperate, pathetic, and you have lost my respect.

You know dam well I am making the point that Republicans don't really care what Trump does as long as he keeps pushing the agenda they desire. Fighting inflation, creating jobs, securing border, fighting the Jussie Smollet tactics of the left, etc, etc, etc, etc. We all know the agenda he wants. I didn't say he is actually doing those things that would classify him as a fascist, I am just saying at this point he could because Biden and the Democrats had such a horrific administration. The worst of my life time. There is not an administration that is even a close second. Biden's failures were unprecedented.

As for Trump's accomplishments. He only needs one in the eyes of his supporters. Beating Joe Biden / Harris. They did more damage to the country in four years that the previous 250. That alone combined with not having any catastrophic failures puts Trump light years ahead of Biden and the previous administration. Plain and simple. Personally I think he's working his ass off to do the things he has said he was going to do. He is in the news meeting with people and trying to get deals done every single day. Constantly meeting with one world leader after another which is the total opposite of basement Joe. That being said, I think he played his cards bad against Putin, Putin is not our friend and Trump shows him the carrot way too much and doesn't show him the stick enough. I don't like the tariff approach, I think it was too aggressive. I also think he is too aggressive with removing immigrants who have been here for years and have stayed ou of trouble and contributed to the economy. But overall I am happy with Trump and his average supporter is thrilled with him. I ll take Trump's tariff over Biden inflation any day. Same thing with Trump's harsh ICE tactics vs Biden's open border total support for drug cartels. Biden and his druggie son love those cartel donations. That is the only way you can even begin to attempt to justify his border policy. Just my speculation.

Trump held a pretty impressive meeting today for a guy who is supposed to be dying or some shit. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0-CUxGWE_4[/URL].

The guy is a hustler and he is fighting for America.

Did he go to Epstein Island? I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I 100% don't think he did anything illegal there. If he did, it would have come out by now. Plain and simple. He is an asshole, not a pedofile. Dude is way to savy to do something so reckless. People all over have affairs. Pedo shit is totally unacceptable and no way Trump would do that or take such a stupid risk. Just because a guy wants to pay money to have sex with beautiful women who he treats well does not make him an evil person.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024753] You know dam well I am making the point that Republicans don't really care what Trump does as long as he keeps pushing the agenda they desire. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, no need to backpedal and place "foot-in-mouth", you made that perfectly clear in your post!

Here in your own words:[LIST][i][b]"...Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket...."[/b][/i][/LIST]But hey, since your MAGA Fuhrer, descended "the golden escalator", you QAnon/MAGA/Repubs, seem to have forgotten, that in a democratic America, everyone from president to dog catcher, is held accountable under the Rule of Law.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024753]As for Trump's accomplishments... [/QUOTE]What accomplishments?

Moving pedophiles to plush club-med jailing facilities, that don't take violent pedo criminals? Kowtowing to Putin on all fours? Stopping the Ukraine/Russian war on day 1? Raising the price of eggs, bacon, groceries and the cost of living? Losing jobs, by taxing hardworking Americans with idiotic tariffs? Sending the U.S. economy into the toilet with dumbass tariffs? Alienate and turn-away our allies?

Oh yes, those accomplishments!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024753]The guy is a hustler and he is fighting for America. [/QUOTE] Beg to differ! Your Fuhrer, appears to be fighting ONLY for his billionaire pick-pocket buddies, pedophiles and pardoning criminals.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024753]Did he go to Epstein Island? I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I 100% don't think he did anything illegal there. If he did, it would have come out by now. Plain and simple. He is an asshole, not a pedofile. [b]Dude is [u]way to savy[/u] to do something so reckless.[/b] People all over have affairs. Pedo shit is totally unacceptable and no way Trump would do that or take such a stupid risk. Just because a guy wants to pay money to have sex with beautiful women who he treats well does not make him an evil person.[/QUOTE] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yeah, I guess that's why he's known as the [i][b]MAGA "pussy grabbing" president[/b][/i] with an ongoing count of 24+ women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct, $5/$83million E. Jean Carrol defamation/sexual assault and harassment case, 2x impeached, 4x indicted, insurrectionist, cheat, grifter, charlatan and porn-star adulterer, on his pregnant immigrant wife.

Oh Yeah, ...real smooth, real savvy! I guess this is what you'd call MAGA Savvy...right! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[b]PS:[/b] If the dude is so innocent, he won't have any problems releasing the Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF)? Even the countless number of Epstein's victims, have all come forward to tell your Fuhrer, to release the EPSF?

I Can't Wait!! Especially since your MAGA cult demands it and your MAGA influencers reputations and livelihoods depend on it....[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024753]I am really getting tired of typing the same thing over and over again. Your also taking my post completely out of context which is a dirty move and I take that personal. It's a cheap shot and a piece of shit move Spidy. Your dishonesty just makes you look weak, desperate, pathetic, and you have lost my respect.

You know dam well I am making the point that Republicans don't really care what Trump does as long as he keeps pushing the agenda they desire. Fighting inflation, creating jobs, securing border, fighting the Jussie Smollet tactics of the left, etc, etc, etc, etc. We all know the agenda he wants. I didn't say he is actually doing those things that would classify him as a fascist, I am just saying at this point he could because Biden and the Democrats had such a horrific administration. The worst of my life time. There is not an administration that is even a close second. Biden's failures were unprecedented.

[B]As for Trump's accomplishments. He only needs one in the eyes of his supporters. Beating Joe Biden / Harris. They did more damage to the country in four years that the previous 250. That alone combined with not having any catastrophic failures puts Trump light years ahead of Biden and the previous administration. Plain and simple. Personally I think he's working his ass off to do the things he has said he was going to do. He is in the news meeting with people and trying to get deals done every single day. Constantly meeting with one world leader after another which is the total opposite of basement Joe. That being said, I think he played his cards bad against Putin, Putin is not our friend and Trump shows him the carrot way too much and doesn't show him the stick enough. I don't like the tariff approach, I think it was too aggressive. I also think he is too aggressive with removing immigrants who have been here for years and have stayed ou of trouble and contributed to the economy. But overall I am happy with Trump and his average supporter is thrilled with him. I ll take Trump's tariff over Biden inflation any day. Same thing with Trump's harsh ICE tactics vs Biden's open border total support for drug cartels. Biden and his druggie son love those cartel donations. That is the only way you can even begin to attempt to justify his border policy. Just my speculation.[/b]

Trump held a pretty impressive meeting today for a guy who is supposed to be dying or some shit. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0-CUxGWE_4[/URL].

The guy is a hustler and he is fighting for America.

Did he go to Epstein Island? I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I 100% don't think he did anything illegal there. If he did, it would have come out by now. Plain and simple. He is an asshole, not a pedofile. Dude is way to savy to do something so reckless. People all over have affairs. Pedo shit is totally unacceptable and no way Trump would do that or take such a stupid risk. Just because a guy wants to pay money to have sex with beautiful women who he treats well does not make him an evil person.[/QUOTE]Nothing catastrophic?

1. Trump added Trillions to the deficit with his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation in his 1st term, totally unnecessary BTW, that somehow managed to "stimulate" the economy to produce a Million Fewer Jobs in its first three pre-Trump's Pandemic years with it than in the previous far superior Obama-Biden years without it.

Similar to what his so far one and only economic "stimulus" legislation in his 2nd term has accomplished, this time REALLY REALLY unnecessary considering he inherited The Envy of the World Economy from Biden-Harris where Biden-Harris not only recovered all of the Millions of jobs Trump wiped out but went on to create more additional jobs than the previous 3 Repub so-called presidents combined. That would be Trump, Bush2 AND Bush1. Oh, and a sizable portion of the number of jobs the fourth previous Repub so-called president created as well. That would be Reagan.

Is that the "damage" Biden-Harris did to the country you were talking about?

2. Trump defunded and removed the highly successful Pandemic Prevention and Response team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid. By March 2020 even Trump himself was admitting in a recorded interview with Bob Woodward that if only somebody had been in those labs in late 2019, months after he removed the best of that leadership and left the paltry rest of them rudderless, to alert us to the emergence of the Covid cases "2 months sooner, we could have avoided all this trouble and stopped it easily. "

Not catastrophic enough for you?

3. Great and Catastrophic Repub Economic Crashes and Declines like the one Trump handed Biden-Harris to clean up and recover America and the rest of the World from, which they did in truly remarkable and historic fashion, always, always, always require more hard work and, are you sitting down for this (MONEY to recover us from it than is in always, always, always depleted USA Government coffers and skyrocketed deficits those Repubs leave behind.

Welcome to inflation during the recovery.

You want "no inflation" Repub-style? Welcome to Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction.

But at least there's a positive, pro-America and pro-business purpose in those Great Dem Recoveries. In Trump's case we are getting an increase in the rate of inflation while FEWER jobs are being created, GDP Growth is slowing, business investment is evaporating and there had been absolutely nothing he inherited from Biden-Harris requiring a recovery from in the first place!

Oh, but there is good news for people who love those kind of Trump results: he is doing it AGAIN. And in an eerily similar way!

Ok on what nobody can miss about Trump's blunders regarding Putin. But you're being way too generous with Trump and harsh on Biden about it:

4. Biden did not have ass-kissing meetings with Putin because he was lucid enough, well informed enough, smart enough and experienced enough to know Putin's only response to such meeting would be exactly what has happened since numbskull Trump has had ass-kissing meetings with Putin; he as taken all of the benefits and sweet ass-kissing pleasure from them, given NOTHING in return for them, accelerated and intensified his attacks on our ally and demanded more sweet ass-kissing from Trump.

Who will probably oblige early and often.

Trump's Pandemic Presidency, Part 2 is developing as predicted by everyone who was smart and patriotic enough to vote for Kamala Harris.

And certainly as hoped for by everyone who didn't:

[B]Payrolls rose 22,000 in August, less than expected in further sign of hiring slowdown.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/05/jobs-report-august-2025.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Nonfarm payrolls increased by just 22,000 for the month, lower than the 75,000 forecast, while the unemployment rate rose to 4.3%.

The report showed a marked slowdown from the July increase of 79,000, which was revised up by 6,000. Revisions also showed a net loss of 13,000 in June.

Health care again led by sectors, adding 31,000 jobs, while social assistance contributed 16,000. Wholesale trade and manufacturing both saw declines of 12,000 on the month.[/QUOTE]I forget, what is it called when the rate of inflation is rising but jobs creation and GDP Growth sucks?

Oh, that's right; Stagflation.

BTW, the average price of a gallon of regular gas in the USA today is higher than yesterday, last month, the day Trump took office, election day and higher under Trump most of the time than it was under Biden going all the way back to October of last year.

And did I mention virtually ALL of the gains in the stock market for the past year happened under Biden while Trump's major contribution to it was a deep decline from which the Market has been struggling to recover ever since?

Yep. That's the way it goes.

Oh well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024801]Nothing catastrophic?

1. Trump added Trillions to the deficit with his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation in his 1st term, totally unnecessary BTW, that somehow managed to "stimulate" the economy to produce a Million Fewer Jobs in its first three pre-Trump's Pandemic years with it than in the previous far superior Obama-Biden years without it.

Similar to what his so far one and only economic "stimulus" legislation in his 2nd term has accomplished, this time REALLY REALLY unnecessary considering he inherited The Envy of the World Economy from Biden-Harris where Biden-Harris not only recovered all of the Millions of jobs Trump wiped out but went on to create more additional jobs than the previous 3 Repub so-called presidents combined. That would be Trump, Bush2 AND Bush1. Oh, and a sizable portion of the number of jobs the fourth previous Repub so-called president created as well. That would be Reagan.

Is that the "damage" Biden-Harris did to the country you were talking about?

2. Trump defunded and removed the highly successful Pandemic Prevention and Response team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid. By March 2020 even Trump himself was admitting in a recorded interview with Bob Woodward that if only somebody had been in those labs in late 2019, months after he removed the best of that leadership and left the paltry rest of them rudderless, to alert us to the emergence of the Covid cases "2 months sooner, we could have avoided all this trouble and stopped it easily. "

Not catastrophic enough for you?

3. Great and Catastrophic Repub Economic Crashes and Declines like the one Trump handed Biden-Harris to clean up and recover America and the rest of the World from, which they did in truly remarkable and historic fashion, always, always, always require more hard work and, are you sitting down for this (MONEY to recover us from it than is in always, always, always depleted USA Government coffers and skyrocketed deficits those Repubs leave behind..[/QUOTE]Sorry Tombs, me and most Americans aren't buying what your selling. Shit, your slander and the slander from people with your views are the best thing that has ever happened to the Republican party. No one like likes a liar. Well, unless they produce results that is. Best win Republicans have had since Lincoln when Trump obliterated Biden / Harris. A land slide win for the ages. Trump can now do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters. Again, hope he doesn't fuck it up and it is sad, but true.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024876]Sorry Tombs, me and most Americans aren't buying what your selling. Shit, your slander and the slander from people with your views are the best thing that has ever happened to the Republican party. No one like likes a liar. Well, unless they produce results that is. Best win Republicans have had since Lincoln when Trump obliterated Biden / Harris. A land slide win for the ages. Trump can now do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters. Again, hope he doesn't fuck it up and it is sad, but true.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/09/05/tech-giants-praise-trumps-leadership-at-white-house-dinner/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3024876]Sorry Tombs, me and most Americans aren't buying what your selling. Shit, your slander and the slander from people with your views are the best thing that has ever happened to the Republican party. No one like likes a liar. Well, unless they produce results that is. Best win Republicans have had since Lincoln when Trump obliterated Biden / Harris. A land slide win for the ages. Trump can now do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters. Again, hope he doesn't fuck it up and it is sad, but true.[/QUOTE]Trump is president today because a tiny handful of angry Muslims across the only 3 swing states that mattered, PA, MI and WI, were motivated and mobilized by Muslim Community leaders to "get out the vote" to deny the presidency to anyone from the Biden Administration due to its support for Israel in the Israel / Palestine conflict, which they extrapolated to its support for Netanyahu, who they hated.

Those were the only 3 states the Muslim Community Leaders made such an effort.

Consequently, those were the only Blue-ish states in the country that flipped Red for Trump. No other demographic on any other campaign issue flipped from Harris to Trump in 2024. None.

And the flip in those 3 determinative swing states was razor-thin; less than 114,900 Muslim vote swings from Harris to Trump out of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters across those 3 swing states did it. Which was less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point of all the votes in those 3 swing states, the only 3 that mattered.

And that same less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point swing would have flipped the popular vote plurality from Trump to Harris, too, Trump never winning a popular vote Majority in three tries at the presidency.

So it was not a landslide, nothing like one.

And the data and true record of results on the terrible jobs and deficit numbers that Trump racked up the first time around and this time around are not matters of "opinion" or "spin". They are real, verified and cemented into the history books and historic record of results.

Regarding Trump's popularity and political advantage, we know Trump can narrowly win against a woman as long as she has been vilified and demonized by her political opposition for decades already or if she is a mixed race minority married to a Jewish man. And that one only if Netanyahu timed his agreed upon ceasefire not to happen before the election so as to manipulate that tiny handful of angry Muslim votes in the only 3 swing states that mattered to his preferred puppet candidate's razor-thin advantage.

Otherwise, not even close.

Oh, and now that even some MAGAs are starting to snap out of their delusional state and coma, for months his "Honeymoon" phase has been underwater in even the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics consensus polls with a majority of their carefully chosen polls' respondents Disapproving of the job he is doing on virtually every issue they deem important.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024458]I am guessing neither you nor the writer of that hogwash in your link nor anyone else who thinks Trump's Pandemic was a "hoax" or overstated or over-reacted to blah blah blah based on some idiocy about how low the death rate from Covid was or how few people were directly at risk of serious illness or death due to Trump's Pandemic's virus hasn't got the slightest clue what "Flatten The Curve" meant, was all about and how that was a critical goal to try to achieve or Trump would have mass murdered millions more Americans and others around the World.

And perhaps they never even heard the term or bothered to try to understand it when it was explained back in early 2020 with regard to why business, school, entertainment and travel venues needed to close to better achieve that goal.

Am I right?

Lololol.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/jay-bhattacharya-rfk-jr-covid/2025/09/06/id/1225365/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024457]I would almost agree with your contention with regard to Democratic Administrations hypothetically getting a pass if they did nothing but break the law, lie, cheat and steal to get their policies passed and agenda accomplished since they DO produce results that "puts more money in peoples' pockets".

But no Repub Administration has produced results that do any such thing compared to virtually every Dem Administration, LEAST of all Donald Trump's 4 1/2 years as a so-called potus so far; Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Historically Massive Jobs Destruction and USA Stock Market and Housing Market Crashes? Yes.

More money in most Americans' pockets? Nope. Hasn't happened in 100 years. And sure as hell has not been the net result of Trump's miserable policy and stewardship results to date.

It is a Cult. They love him more the more he fails to deliver whatever positives his Cult thought he ever promised but not delivered and then just whines and cries like an oversized Titty Baby being pulled away from his mommy's teat at age 7.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-department-of-defense-spent-billions-collaborating-with-ccp-on-sensitive-defense-research/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3024909][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/09/05/tech-giants-praise-trumps-leadership-at-white-house-dinner/[/URL][/QUOTE]Uh. Billionaire Tech Giants love what Trump does for them because his policies require the American Tax-payer, not them BTW, to pay their Giant Electric Bills for them in their mission to cut jobs for actual human Americans and replace them with AI. Lolol.

[B]Americans Energy Costs are Rising. You Can Blame Trump and Big Tech[/B]

[URL]https://time.com/7312151/energy-costs-rising-blame-trump-tech/[/URL]

[QUOTE]On the campaign trail, President Donald Trump vowed to cut Americans energy costs in half by the end of his first year in office. Instead, Americans' energy costs are skyrocketing.

As a result, millions of Americans are sweating through heatwaves and opening electricity bills that feel just as scorching. Its what I call a heatwave economy, in which extreme heat collides with corporate-driven utility price spikes, and working families foot the bill while trillion-dollar tech companies profit.[/QUOTE]Those Billionaire Tech Giants thank you for your vote and thank Breitbart for its undying support.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025035][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/jay-bhattacharya-rfk-jr-covid/2025/09/06/id/1225365/[/URL][/QUOTE]But you MAGAs were absolutely certain of the number of American deaths from Covid when Trump's repeated lies about how "It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" all through 2020 finally came home to roost as hundreds of thousands more obediently unvaccinated MAGAs died from Covid soon after Trump got his ass kicked out of the White House in January 2021 and their survivors blamed it on Biden.

Remember that?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3024933]Trump is president today because a tiny handful of angry Muslims across the only 3 swing states that mattered, PA, MI and WI, were motivated and mobilized by Muslim Community leaders to "get out the vote" to deny the presidency to anyone from the Biden Administration due to its support for Israel in the Israel / Palestine conflict, which they extrapolated to its support for Netanyahu, who they hated.

Those were the only 3 states the Muslim Community Leaders made such an effort.

Consequently, those were the only Blue-ish states in the country that flipped Red for Trump. No other demographic on any other campaign issue flipped from Harris to Trump in 2024. None.

And the flip in those 3 determinative swing states was razor-thin; less than 114,900 Muslim vote swings from Harris to Trump out of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters across those 3 swing states did it. Which was less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point of all the votes in those 3 swing states, the only 3 that mattered..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/09/06/california-woman-registered-her-dog-and-it-voted-by-mail-in-ballot/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/alien-charged-illegal-voting-federal-elections[/URL]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025062][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-department-of-defense-spent-billions-collaborating-with-ccp-on-sensitive-defense-research/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVACSYK0_o[/URL]

Well said young lady.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025100][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVACSYK0_o[/URL]

Well said young lady.[/QUOTE]So you think your rights come from an invisible, omnipotent being? You are an adult, right? Maybe the Easter bunny gives our rights. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025088]But you MAGAs were absolutely certain of the number of American deaths from Covid when Trump's repeated lies about how "It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" all through 2020 finally came home to roost as hundreds of thousands more obediently unvaccinated MAGAs died from Covid soon after Trump got his ass kicked out of the White House in January 2021 and their survivors blamed it on Biden.

Remember that?[/QUOTE]Your lame attempts to revise history will not be allowed.

[URL]https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/are-fair-elections-possible/[/URL]

He wasn't kicked out, he was cheated, Democracy was subverted, and the truth be told, maybe that was a good thing because you dirty motherfuckers are getting your comeuppance now.

And then some.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025085][b]LOL. Yes, Tech Giants love American Tax-payers carrying their load for them. [/b]

Uh. Billionaire Tech Giants love what Trump does for them because his policies require the American Tax-payer, not them BTW, to pay their Giant Electric Bills for them in their mission to cut jobs for actual human Americans and replace them with AI. Lolol.

[B]Americans Energy Costs are Rising. You Can Blame Trump and Big Tech[/B]
[URL]https://time.com/7312151/energy-costs-rising-blame-trump-tech/[/URL]

Those Billionaire Tech Giants thank you for your vote and thank Breitbart for its undying support.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the billionaire pick-pocket tech buddies, loves when taxpayers are conned into thinking EV's and renewables (which are currently the lowest cost of energy), are the reason their electricity bills are so high/expensive, when the increased energy consumption is largely coming from AI, crypto farms, and data centers.

And then there's the billions, that taxpayers, will be forced to subsidize the [i][b]"drill baby drill"[/b][/i] fossil fuel ONLY MAGA administration's insane energy solution to the raise in electricity demands, as their MAGA Fuhrer, shutdown down solar and wind projects, producing cheaper electricity than coal, gas or nuclear

Independent report finds that the Trump administration's [b][u]orders,[/u] to keep fossil-fired power plants running,[/b] could cost consumers between $3-6 billion a year (Aug 14, 2025). One coal plant owner reported, it spent $29 million in the first 38 days of an Energy Department order to keep it online.

[b]$3.1B annual cost estimated for fossil fuel plants DOE won’t allow to retire,[/b] [i]Published Aug. 14, 2025 • Updated Aug. 18, 2025,[/i] [url]https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-mandate-fossil-fueled-power-plants-emergency/757653/[/url]

Then these very same MAGA pundits wanna talk about China's coal problem, not realizing at least China is building out their renewables at a 3x-4x the speed their using coal.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025100][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVACSYK0_o[/URL]

Well said young lady.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7jVqCvLtE[/URL]

Trump's Gish Gallop fire hose of lies at his fake press conferences are simply not convincing the majority of the American people that he isn't the most disastrously failed 2nd term president in USA History after deservedly ranking as The Worst President in USA History for his 1st term results by a panel of bi-partisan presidential historians:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating[/URL]

His constant lies about him solving any wars much less 7, about the price of groceries damn I'm glad he invented that word going down, his huge and easily debunked lie about the price of gas going down, his ridiculous lies about the auto-pen, his lies about how much better the economy is now, etc, etc, etc are just not working for him no matter how fawning and agreeable his fake press corp tries to aid and abet his constant lies about everything.

His Disapproval numbers even in the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics carefully selected consensus poll of polls are actually getting worse the more America hears him blathering on and on with those ridiculous lies.

On his overall Job Approval, on the Econony, on Inflation, on Foreign Policy, on the Israel / Palestine Conflict, on the Russia / Ukraine War are all showing him with higher and increasing Disapproval Ratings well above 50%.

They used to apply the Direction of the Country to Trump's Job Approval issues until that got so bad they decided to drop that one and replace it with Crime as a "winning" Trump issue. But even that one and Immigration are only showing him with a razor-thin plurality of bare minimum approval, not a majority.

Meanwhile, the Generic Ballot preference for Democrats to control Congress on that same demonstrably Winger-leaning site is increasing the more Trump lies and lies and lies about everything at his fake press conferences.

Hopefully, his plan to rig the midterm elections with extreme gerrymandering manipulations and intimidate important Blue City voters in important Blue states with armed military troops on the ground between them and the polling places won't overthrow American democracy and overturn a free and fair election they way he and his MAGA Cult tried so hard to do that in the past.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3025182]So you think your rights come from an invisible, omnipotent being? You are an adult, right? Maybe the Easter bunny gives our rights. LOL.[/QUOTE]I much rather they come from the Easter Bunny than from you or anyone other loser like Tim Kaine (LOL former VP nominee for that pig in 2016), Gavin Newscum, AOC, Joe Biden The mayors of LOS Angeles Washington DC Chicago Boston etc.

Go ahead and try to make that argument to the American people and I promise you will NEVER EVER win another election.

Are you an adult? Do you know anything about the US Constitution? Our rights are inalienable, not from the generosity or lack thereof of a Mr Easter Bunny guy / Futuredeadguy that doesn't like our rights / Constitution.

And would like to eliminate our Bill of Rights, keep up your brain dead nonsense and you will be a Futuredeadguy sooner than you expect.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3025182]So you think your rights come from an invisible, omnipotent being? You are an adult, right? Maybe the Easter bunny gives our rights. LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/image-killed-democrats-2026-and-beyond[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025238][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/image-killed-democrats-2026-and-beyond[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/horror-video-of-ukrainian-refugee-iryna-zarutskas-slaughter-on-charlotte-train-is-met-with-deafening-silence/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3025182]So you think your rights come from an invisible, omnipotent being? You are an adult, right? Maybe the Easter bunny gives our rights. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, Thomas Jefferson wrote that phrase. So I guess you are smarter than him? Better yet, if you do not like the phrase by our creator (he did not say God) than you are free to live elsewhere. Or are you the type who just picks and chooses the laws he follows?

Our country was founded on God given rights not rights being given to people by some tyrant or lawmaker.

Normally, the phrase, love it or leave it, is a false dilemma but on this issue, which literally defines the USA, it is not. If you do not like what was written in the Constitution, you can attempt to amend it or you can leave.

Predictably, Trump is fulfilling his contractual obligation as a Republican to wipe out as many American jobs as possible by hook, by crook, by policy, by stewardship, by pretending that "nobody predicted that Pandemic could happen" except every expert in the field who warned Trump not to do what he enthusiastically did in 2018 and 2019 to usher it into existence, by this, by that or any means necessary as long as he does it even faster this term than he did in his 1st term:

[B]US job cuts soared in August, outplacement company says.
Jobs cuts announced by U.S. firms climbed 39% last month, data shows.
Sept. 5, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-job-cuts-soared-august-outplacement-company/story?id=125249366[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Job cuts soared in August[/b], offering the latest evidence of a slowdown in the labor market as some economists warn of a possible recession, according to data released on Thursday by outplacement firm Challenger, Gray and Christmas (CGC).

U.S. companies announced nearly 86,000 jobs cuts in August, [b]which amounted to a 39% increase from the previous month, CGC said. The figure indicated the largest number of job cuts in the month of August since 2020[/b], which coincided with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

[B]August marks the sixth time this year that total job cuts surpassed those of the corresponding month one year prior[/b], CGC said.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but Joe Biden stuttered and transposed a couple of words in his answer to one question at that debate despite answering every question with intelligent, well-informed, detailed, pertinent, forward-looking responses, clearly proving he understood every nuance and subtlety, literal and implied by each question while Trump blathered the same irrelevant response to most of them regardless what the topic was, clearly proving he did not have the slightest clue what the topic of the question was much less how to give an intelligent, well-informed response to it.

Oh, and Kamala Harris had an annoying laugh. According to some terrified MAGA titty-babies.

Consequently, it has not been this bad for the American labor market since the LAST time Repub Trump was president!

It was AFTER THAT report that we got that godawful August jobs report from the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics that simply cannot be doctored, lied about, turned and twisted like a Repub / Winger / MAGA / Trumpian pretzel to make them look or sound even remotely positive for the American Working Men and Women.

Oh well.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025232]I much rather they come from the Easter Bunny than from you or anyone other loser like Tim Kaine (LOL former VP nominee for that pig in 2016), Gavin Newscum, AOC, Joe Biden The mayors of LOS Angeles Washington DC Chicago Boston etc.

Go ahead and try to make that argument to the American people and I promise you will NEVER EVER win another election.

Are you an adult? Do you know anything about the US Constitution? Our rights are inalienable, not from the generosity or lack thereof of a Mr Easter Bunny guy / Futuredeadguy that doesn't like our rights / Constitution.

And would like to eliminate our Bill of Rights, keep up your brain dead nonsense and you will be a Futuredeadguy sooner than you expect.[/QUOTE]For you it's all identity politics and feeble-minded beliefs. Once you're willing to believe dumb shit (like god) without evidence, you're pretty much open to believing anything without evidence, which is what you clearly do. I'm always curious how you christian nationalists wind up on hooker boards. Talk about a lack of self-awareness. Did you get banned from the daily stormer or some dumb shit?

The United States Constitution contains no reference to god. Zero. You must be thinking of Galatians in that awfully written book, the bible, which I'm certain you've never read.

When did I say that I wanted to get rid of the Bill of Rights? You are just making shit up. Nothing new there.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3025363]For you it's all identity politics and feeble-minded beliefs. Once you're willing to believe dumb shit (like god) without evidence, you're pretty much open to believing anything without evidence, which is what you clearly do. I'm always curious how you christian nationalists wind up on hooker boards. Talk about a lack of self-awareness. Did you get banned from the daily stormer or some dumb shit?

The United States Constitution contains no reference to god. Zero. You must be thinking of Galatians in that awfully written book, the bible, which I'm certain you've never read.

When did I say that I wanted to get rid of the Bill of Rights? You are just making shit up. Nothing new there.[/QUOTE]You're doing some very serious projecting, always curious how anti wokesters like hookers? Well tell us how feminist simps like yourself justify mongering, I'm pretty sure.

MSNBC would say you're a serial rappppist, talk about lacking self-awareness (show us 1 left wing country that is a major mongering hub).

Oh wait you can't you're a clueless LOW IQ leftist.

On to believing in something without evidence, how about men having babies, say it ain't so bro?

Its classic brainwashing if you can agree with that, congrats you're in the cult.

The Bible contains more facts than 20 years of MSNBC airtime (BTW I believe most people consider much of the Bible allegorical).

Did you mention a Nazi website wow so edgy, your second post and already calling me a Nazi.

You come in this thread trying to throw a sucker punch, what a LOW IQ loser.

When did I say that I wanted to get rid of the Bill of Rights? You are just making shit up. , no I'm not you are suggesting are rights are not inalienable that's exactly what you're suggesting.

You call the Bible an awfully written book, how nice I'm guessing you're another Trans psycho we are going to see on the news soon for a mass shooting of little kids praying.

Seriously, who are the numbskulls who didn't know this was coming?

Had they really fallen for the Liar Trump con that there would be a big fat check made out to the American Consumer attached to those imported products from the foreign country as a reward to the American Consumer for buying the damn thing? You know, a portion of all those Billions and Trillions of dollars "flowing into" America from other countries thanks to "Two Weeks" TACO Trump's Tariffs? Lolol.

[B]New tariff rules bring 'maximum chaos' as surprise charges hit consumers.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/08/new-tariff-rules-bring-maximum-chaos-as-surprise-charges-hit-consumers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The bills are sudden and jarring: $1,400 for a computer part from Germany, $620 for an aluminum case from Sweden and $1,041 for handbags from Spain.

Some U.S. shoppers say they are being hit with surprise charges from international shipping carriers as the exemption on import duties for items under $800 expires as a part of President Donald Trumps tariff push.
..........
On Aug. 29, for the first time in nearly a century, small-dollar items coming into the U.S. also called de minimis goods began facing import duties. That means even small, personal orders now face the sizable tariffs placed on U.S. trading partners. While a recent ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit found many of Trumps duties unconstitutional, they remain in effect while Trump appeals the case to the Supreme Court.[/QUOTE]No problem. As soon as American Consumers start buying computer parts, aluminum cases, handbags and small thrift shop items manufactured in America either by Americans getting paid $15+ per hour or by robots while millions of Americans who used to easily buy that stuff for cheap without giving it a thought are unemployed, earning $0 per hour and not buying anything, then everything will be fine.

Good plan. MAGA!

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3025182]So you think your rights come from an invisible, omnipotent being? You are an adult, right? Maybe the Easter bunny gives our rights. LOL.[/QUOTE]Read up on John Locke, you will understand. Founding fathers were heavily influenced by him. And course, "Common Sense" by T. Paine.

See, according to Criminal Trump and his Criminal MAGAs, committing their crimes doesn't cause "significant disruption", only paying for their crimes does.

[B]Trump tariff refunds could top $1 trillion if Supreme Court finds them illegal.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/08/trump-tariff-refund-trade-treasury-bessent-supreme-court.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Two federal courts have found that many of the steep emergency tariffs imposed by President Donald Trump are illegal.

Trump has asked the Supreme Court to reverse those decisions.

If the high court rules that Trump did not have the authority to impose the tariffs, the U.S. government could be obligated to refund importers anywhere from $750 billion to $1 trillion, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent warned.
...........
[B]"Unwinding them could cause significant disruption,[/b] Bessent told the Supreme Court.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025259][URL]https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/horror-video-of-ukrainian-refugee-iryna-zarutskas-slaughter-on-charlotte-train-is-met-with-deafening-silence/[/URL][/QUOTE]Should release the whole video, but ET says crime is down everywhere.

From his crime free neighborhood 10000 fucking miles away.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025478][b]I really think the WH[/b]
Should release the whole video, but ET says crime is down everywhere.

From his crime free neighborhood 10000 fucking miles away.[/QUOTE]Crime is not down in the WH.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025571]Crime is not down in the WH.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/world/americas/brazil-american-flag-nfl.html[/URL]

I have a huge American flag in Our Lobby.

How many on the left fly it? Let alone even own one? 0%.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025571]Crime is not down in the WH.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/09/09/stephen-miller-terrorism-is-being-waged-against-the-american-people/[/URL]

Buckle up. I've got a lot of crowing to do right now.

While typically pro Repub Mainstream Media is spinning the latest routine jobs report revisions as they usually spin things, to help Repubs win elections, the lucky readers of this forum and my posts all along the way will recognize nothing at odds about that latest revision with regard to Biden working his brilliant border / immigration policy to bring his previously necessary strong jobs creation for the greatest recovery from Trump's Pandemic of any nation on Earth to a soft landing with "weaker" jobs creation to not only avoid a Recession and bring the rate of inflation down, that is to gradually cool down an over-heated economy that was creating too many jobs for the applicants available to take them, but to also give the Fed ample reason to do exactly what was necessary during that soft landing as well and what Trump has been demanding the Fed do but has been stupidly giving the Fed ample reason NOT to do; cut Fed Funds Rates to more normal levels for a more normal post-Trump's Pandemic economy.

With this recent revision, and there will be another one next year, we now know better than ever that Biden was doing exactly what he should have been doing all along.

The Fed was doing exactly what it should have been doing all along.

The BLS was doing exactly what it should have been doing all along.

But the companies and corporations who are surveyed and asked to respond with their jobs creation vs reduction numbers were not doing what they should have been doing if they did not respond at all, which too many of them have been doing since Trump's Pandemic.

And even worse, Trump was doing the exact OPPOSITE of what he was supposed to be doing by blathering on and on since at least November that his dream goal was to increase the price of everything the American Consumer bought by 20%+ ASAP, if indeed he ever wanted a Fed Funds Rate cut along with the decline in the rate of inflation that was being brilliantly effected by Joe Biden in the 2nd half of last year.

[B]Job growth revised down by 911,000 through March, signaling economy on shakier footing than realized[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/09/jobs-report-revisions-september-2025-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

A few more important points:

Deep revisions happen often. The BLS revised one of Trump's years in his first term down by 500,000 jobs.

Joe Biden's economy had been officially on record creating 16,153,000 jobs in four years. With this revision of 911,000 jobs, that number is reduced to about 15,000,000 jobs in four years, a revision of roughly 0. 06% of the USA Labor Force.

15,000,000 jobs is still a higher jobs creation than any Repub president's economy regardless whether he served 4 years or 8 years with the narrow lone exception being Ronald Reagan whose economy after he tripled the national debt created about 16,000,000 jobs but over 8 years, twice as long as Joe Biden's economic recovery had to create something less than 1 million fewer jobs than Reagan's economy did in 8 years.

Biden brilliantly did not close the borders to immigrants who had the legal and USA Constitutionally-mandated right to be here while their claim of seeking asylum from persecution in their home country was being duly investigated, which, thanks to Trump trashing that system as he got his ass kicked out of the White House, was taking months and months to do instead of a few weeks.

AS WE KNOW from the several posts and links provided by me, a free flow of immigration was key to keeping the economy going, thriving, creating and not losing jobs as well as keeping the rate of inflation lower than it would have been otherwise in the wake of and Response to Trump's Pandrmic.

So when that rate of inflation had fallen to within a fraction of a point of the Fed's target rate early last year, that is when Biden reversed his border / immigration policies to tighten the border and reduce the flow of immigrants into the country. Thereby reducing the number of jobs being created.

No, that does not mean just jobs that undocumented workers could take. That means the millions of jobs tangential to and that follow an increase in customers, consumers of goods, facilitated and expanded by virtue of lower income immigrants contributing to the production of goods and the subsequent selling of them; commerce.

So downward jobs creation reports and downward revisions in those numbers over the past year was exactly what Biden intended to happen and was supposed to happen!

That brilliant and brave endeavor by Biden was only marred in a relatively minor way by the fact that companies and corporations were not responding to the routine BLS surveys as accurately as they should have been doing. Hence the later revisions.

It was during that time when Biden's reversal of his immigration management gave the Fed and most economists every reason to predict they could probably enact 2-3 Fed Funds Rate this year.

Until Trump started his blathering about his ridiculous tariffs / increased taxes on the American Working Men and Women Consumers.

Consequently, the real fuck up in this whole process was Donald Trump, who has now spent 10-11 months blathering on and on about how his number 1 goal is to increase the cost of everything by at least 20%, raise the rate of inflation and give the Fed absolutely zero reason to make good on that prediction of 2-3 likely rate cuts this year.

Now we see that Biden's intentions and efforts were doing exactly what he meant them to do and should have been doing in order to reduce the rate of inflation, which was well and surely happening last year, and to justify those Fed Funds Rate cuts that were definitely on track for this year until Trump started his blathering about across-the-board ridiculously high tariffs and took those Fed Funds Rate cuts plans right off the table. Until now.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025595][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/09/09/stephen-miller-terrorism-is-being-waged-against-the-american-people/[/URL][/QUOTE]Has Stephen Miller or any other Fascist on the Trump staff done a Per Capita count of shootings in Chicago and other big important cities vs shootings in Hootervile, Pixly, Dog Patch, Nashville, St. Louis, etc?

Only shootings count, not deaths by shootings. It isn't fair to reward shooters in Repub cities for being lousy shots.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025571]Crime is not down in the WH.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/berenson-black-violence-woke-lies-right-wing-rage[/URL]

Whether it's the MAGA Fuhrer's constant Jeffery Epstein lies, the #2 DOJ hatchetman, Todd Blanche, botched Ghislanie Maxwell interview, or the #1 DOJ Pam "Blondie"'s botched attempt at thrice trying
to gaslight the suckers at MAGA nation, MAGA influencers and the spineless Repubs in congress, it's clear, that there is a massive cover up and the story is not going away, despite the Fuhrer's best efforts.

From the baiting of MAGA Suckers, with "...we have", thousands of video footage, files and documents and [b][i]"...the Client List sitting on my desk...case closed",[/i][/b] to the condemnation of some of his most loyal MAGA supporters/suckers with:[LIST] "Nothing to See Here!" and;[/LIST][LIST] Lashing out, calling them [i][b]"stupid", "foolish"[/b][/i] and just [i][b]"weaklings"[/b][/i] and;[/LIST][LIST] "It's a hoax...it's the Democrats...It's a Democrat Hoax!"

I gotta say, nothing says I "love" and "value" my loyal MAGA supporters (suckers), more than calling them [i]"stupid, foolish, weaklings" [b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/LIST]But there's MORE...

The [b]Epstein "Ick factor"[/b], just got worse, as the bank, JP Morgan, basically fessed-up to being willful conspirators, as the vehicle that financed his illegal criminal activities.

With [u]4,700 Epstein (child sex trafficking) transactions - totaling more than 1.1 billion dollars,[/u] (---real icky"), with JP Morgan and CEO Jamie Diamond (yet another lying billionaire robber baron asshole, who tried to lie about knowing nothing until 2019 but), who knew as far back as 2006 and in 2008 after Epstein child sex trafficking criminal indictment in Florida (under then Florida DOJ Pam "Blondie"'/Alex Acosta sweetheart deal), but kept banking with Epstein regardless.

[b]What We Know About JPMorgan’s Long Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein[/b]
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/magazine/what-we-know-about-jpmorgans-long-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein.html[/url]

Contrast that with P. Diddy's account at JP Morgan, that was cancelled immediately after his indictment. But what is very interesting is all the same sordid players, keep resurfacing to cover up and redact, their Fuhrer, their billionaire buddies and their political cabinet members involvement (according to Ghislanie Maxwell).

But the real ickiness, comes from the "phoney" handwritten note under the photo in the Jeffrey Epstein Birthday Book, which was taken in the 1990s, joked that Mr. Epstein showed [i][b]early talents with money + women,[/b][/i] and had sold a [i][b]fully depreciated[/b][/i] woman to Mr. Trump for $22,500. ---real "icky"

[b]Epstein Birthday Book: Trump's $22,500 Check to Late Pedophile Exposed,[/b] Sept 9th, 2025
[URL]https://okmagazine.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-donald-trump-check-photo/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/epstein-trump-birthday-book.html[/URL]

Ewww...

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025659][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/berenson-black-violence-woke-lies-right-wing-rage[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/white-woman-who-fatally-shot-black-neighbor-arrested-on-manslaughter-charges-in-florida[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025750][URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/white-woman-who-fatally-shot-black-neighbor-arrested-on-manslaughter-charges-in-florida[/URL][/QUOTE]Not even you can sink so low to try to minimize this savage murder by comparing it to this.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025641]Has Stephen Miller or any other Fascist on the Trump staff done a Per Capita count of shootings in Chicago and other big important cities vs shootings in Hootervile, Pixly, Dog Patch, Nashville, St. Louis, etc?

Only shootings count, not deaths by shootings. It isn't fair to reward shooters in Repub cities for being lousy shots.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/10/watch-exclusive-nrsc-music-video-celebrates-trumps-war-department/[/URL]

Watch the utube video.

I mean, what a shock, I'm genuinely surprised!

[b]Charlie Kirk, conservative activist, dead at 31,[/b] (shot in Utah)
[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-dead-rcna230451[/url]

What say you QAnon/MAGA/Repubs out there in conspiracy land, now that one of your own head conspirators, has past on?

RIP C. Kirk!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025847]I mean, what a shock, I'm genuinely surprised!

[b]Charlie Kirk, conservative activist, dead at 31[/b]
[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-dead-rcna230451[/url]

What say you QAnon/MAGA/Repubs out there in conspiracy land, now that one of your own head conspirators, has past on?

RIP C. Kirk![/QUOTE]I m very surprised nobody tried again for orange MAGA, making me wondering if it was not just a fake to fuck USA and be elected again, after fucking Capitol and constitution. More difficult to shoot a ear, even big, than a big face.

So funny, Kirk was for free weapon. Being stupid kill.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025847]I mean, what a shock, I'm genuinely surprised!

[b]Charlie Kirk, conservative activist, dead at 31,[/b] (shot in Utah)
[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-dead-rcna230451[/url]

What say you QAnon/MAGA/Repubs out there in conspiracy land, now that one of your own head conspirators, has past on?

RIP C. Kirk![/QUOTE]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta!

Dagnabbit! The MAGA's lord and savior said there was NO Inflation anymore, that gas is under $2 or maybe $1 per gallon, the price of groceries damn I'm glad he invented that word is going way, way down and that foreign countries are paying us Trillions of Dollars for buying their imported products!

Therefore, these numbers are obviously another "Democrat Hoax" and somebody needs to be fired for reporting them.

Actually, maybe everybody needs to be fired! Then we'll really see some sterling jobs numbers coming out of the greatest ever Trump Administration!

[B]Here's the inflation breakdown for August 2025 in one chart.
Sept. 11, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/11/inflation-breakdown-for-august-2025.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The consumer price index rose [b]2.9% on an annual basis in August 2025, the fastest pace of inflation since January.[/b]

Tariffs levied by President Donald Trump seem to be putting upward pressure on inflation for goods like clothing and furniture, economists said.

The Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates next week to help support a faltering job market. That risks keeping inflation elevated.

[b]Inflation picked up in August[/b] amid higher prices for staples like food and electricity, while tariffs put upward pressure on prices for physical goods like clothing and household furniture, economists said.

[B]The consumer price index, a key inflation gauge, rose 2.9% in August from a year earlier, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Thursday.

Thats an increase from 2.7% in July and the fastest annual pace of inflation since January.[/b]

Inflation is uncomfortably high and its accelerating, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moodys. I think we should expect a further acceleration in inflation over the next six to 12 months.[/QUOTE]Promises made, promises kept!

BTW, does Trump even know Russia is attacking Poland?

At the very least this was Putin testing Trump to see just how weak he really is. And he sure got the answer he expected ASAP.

Oh well.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! January 6th We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE]Hammer attack was from a left wing SF resident Minnesota shooter worked for Tampon Tim, don't forget the child trans butcher 2 weeks ago killing the kids praying, Shapiros house was firebombed.

By a Jew hating leftist, don't leave out the harmless young girl butchered on the train in Charlotte the other day, the only one senselessly murdered on J6 was a fine MAGA patriot Ashley Babbit.

You are quite delusional.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE]One of you Anti Christian Sodomites.

[URL]https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-seen-wearing-american-flag-sweatshirt-with-veteran-design/articleshow/123836025.cms?from=mdr[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE]A preliminary and unverified report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives found that ammunition recovered with the rifle used to kill Charlie Kirk appeared engraved with statements "expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. "

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025847]I mean, what a shock, I'm genuinely surprised!

What say you QAnon/MAGA/Repubs out there in conspiracy land, now that one of your own head conspirators, has past on?[/QUOTE]Conspiracy land? Isn't this what you Democratiic want? Violence against the opposition. Hell, your dumb ass is calling Trump the Fuhrer, certainly that would justify assassination of him. In fact, that is what so many of you Democratic douches call for in the wake of Kirk's death, make Trump next.

And then we have Tooms saying Trump killed millions with Covid and plotting to do it again. If that is not a call to violence, I do not know what is. In his fucked up head, killing Trump is certainly the answer to everything evil in the world.

And then we have the assault on white people. Never mind that the poor woman was stabbed to death in a train. Gun control will fix everything!

And then we have the tranny with the anti-Trump rhetoric shooting up children in Minnesota. Yes, by all means, let's encourage the psychosis of sexually confused teens. Let's fill the confused teens full of drugs and give them surgery and not let their parents know.

And you accuse of us of conspiracy? LOL. That is rich. You Democratic douches advocate for violence time and again and then are shocked when it happens? Get the fuck out of here!

The funny part is when Trump sent in the guard to make DC safe, you douches all griped. Trump was shocked. He could not believe you Democratic douches could literally be pro-crime, but I am not. So Spidy, you dumb Democratic douche, are you really that stupid to call Trump the Fuhrer and his followers Nazis and think that violence would not unfold? You love Kirk being dead and your only regret with the Trump assassination is that it failed.

The hatred of douches like you and Tooms is open for the world to see. You want Trump and his followers dead. That is no conspiracy. You douches admit it!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3025641]Has Stephen Miller or any other Fascist on the Trump staff done a Per Capita count of shootings in Chicago and other big important cities vs shootings in Hootervile, Pixly, Dog Patch, Nashville, St. Louis, etc?

Only shootings count, not deaths by shootings. It isn't fair to reward shooters in Repub cities for being lousy shots.[/QUOTE]In promoting hate speech towards Trump voters.

You have called me a Nazi, a fascist, etc when I try to reply my posts are blocked.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2025/09/10/nolte-msnbc-releases-pathetic-apology-after-matthew-dowd-claimed-charlie-kirk-brought-it-on-himself/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/09/11/charlies-murderers-website-exposes-leftists-cheering-the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE]There is no clear solution to the gun problem. Too many gun owners unwilling to give that freedom up. I used to be anti gun until my home was robbed while I was away. My gut tells me crime is up so much all over the country, I am not blaming either party for high crime rates, both dems and repubs want access to guns for protection. I know I do now. I know in New Jersey, a strong blue state, they recently passed laws to allow conceal carry when for decades it was hard just to buy a gun. I this is the trend across the country as well.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3025860]So funny, Kirk was for free weapon. Being stupid kill.[/QUOTE]This guy Kirk is on record for emphatically asserting that to preserve the "god given" right to arms, it's acceptable to have gun related mass murders. You just got to suck it up. As someone who thinks the "right to bear arms" is only slightly less ridiculous than the "right to arm bears", it's ironic how he left this mortal coil. I wonder if he would still stand by his words. It's depressing to note that the wrong wing will still stand by the unfettered right to arms even when it's responsible for one the death of one of their own.

Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. He cared little about human lives if they conflicted with his political ideology. He further favoured the total evisceration of the Palestinians. He was truly vile person. But even vile people do not deserve to be murdered. This event epitomises to me the very troubling cultural and political warfare going on not just in the US but the west as a whole. The extremism of views on both the wrong wing and the left wing is growing to an extent that I cannot see an off ramp. Society. Any society- can only function in the Arestotlian golden mean, the middle ground. Polarised extreme views eventually tear all societies apart, and democracy is its first victim. We are witnessing the destruction of democracy in front of our very eyes. I fear that the only way in which democracy will be preserved in America is by the splintering of America. That will be truly be a sad day, but like witnessing a car crash in slow motion, I feel this is the inevitable outcome we are descending to.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869]What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/watch-vile-leftist-chants-we-got-charlie-in-the-neck-in-wake-of-turning-point-usa-founders-assassination/[/URL]

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3025944]This guy Kirk is on record for emphatically asserting that to preserve the "god given" right to arms, it's acceptable to have gun related mass murders. You just got to suck it up. As someone who thinks the "right to bear arms" is only slightly less ridiculous than the "right to arm bears", it's ironic how he left this mortal coil. I wonder if he would still stand by his words. It's depressing to note that the wrong wing will still stand by the unfettered right to arms even when it's responsible for one the death of one of their own.

Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. He cared little about human lives if they conflicted with his political ideology. He further favoured the total evisceration of the Palestinians. He was truly vile person. But even vile people do not deserve to be murdered. This event epitomises to me the very troubling cultural and political warfare going on not just in the US but the west as a whole. The extremism of views on both the wrong wing and the left wing is growing to an extent that I cannot see an off ramp. Society. Any society- can only function in the Arestotlian golden mean, the middle ground. Polarised extreme views eventually tear all societies apart, and democracy is its first victim. We are witnessing the destruction of democracy in front of our very eyes. I fear that the only way in which democracy will be preserved in America is by the splintering of America. That will be truly be a sad day, but like witnessing a car crash in slow motion, I feel this is the inevitable outcome we are descending to.[/QUOTE]Imagine you had dozens of people in your life who you loved dearly. Family, friends, wife, parents, children, whatever. Now imagine a group of 1000 people who hated you and everyone you love and 100 of those people who hate you are directly responsible for killing, kidnapping, and torturing several of the people you love. Only 100 of the 1000 are directly responsible for this, but the 1000 all hate you and some of their children will try to kill the people you love in future generations. Here is your choice, kill all 1000 people and save everyone you love or continue to allow the people you love to be killed, kidnapped, and tortured. What would you do? That is a hard question, but someone who decides to kill to protect their family is not some one I would automatically call evil and label a villain. Charlie Kirk was not a bad person in the slightest for supporting Israel. Unless you are Israeli or Palestinian, it is very hard to pass judgement on this. You must live there to truly understand what is going on. For most of history this questioned has been answered with war and the stronger people eliminate the people who threaten them. I am not saying that is the right thing to do, I am just stating what has historically happened.

Charlie kirk was not an evil person just because he supported Israel. Charlie Kirk was a brave and intelligent man who gave his life for the things he believed in. He constantly advocated for peaceful debate and there is too much slander on his name.

My biggest question during this whole war is why do these Arab Muslim nations who care so much about Palestine not allow them to enter their countries? Egypt? Iran? Iraq? Why do they not save their Muslim brothers and their children? Why watch them be forced from their homes and bombed and killed and mutilated? My guess is they want conflict and they hate Israel so much they would rather watch their fellow muslims die and lose their land than bow down to the people they hate, the Israelis. I think this is horrible and cruel by the muslim nations. I know if it were me, in a heartbeat I would take them in as refugees. Sickening no Muslim nations will let them enter their countries to save them.

I think people who rejoice that Charlie Kirk was assassinated are sick and weak and I don't value them as people. Political violence should be condemned on both sides.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3025939]There is no clear solution to the gun problem. Too many gun owners unwilling to give that freedom up. I used to be anti gun until my home was robbed while I was away. My gut tells me crime is up so much all over the country, I am not blaming either party for high crime rates, both dems and repubs want access to guns for protection. I know I do now. I know in New Jersey, a strong blue state, they recently passed laws to allow conceal carry when for decades it was hard just to buy a gun. I this is the trend across the country as well.[/QUOTE]Well it's clear that doing the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen is no solution. That's one definition of insanity. Rarely is there a clear solution to difficult problems. But courageous people understand they have to act to bring about change. I don't think getting rid of access to all guns is the solution, and I don't know of any sensible person who proposes that. But there needs to be some sensible regulations put into place. The United States, the supposed world leader, is the only country in the world with a gun violence problem of this nature. We're leading in the wrong category here. Continued prayer for the family then hearing about the next round of shootings the next day is not a viable option. It's never been one. Doing something is better than doing nothing at this point. The 2nd amendment is not absolute, just like any other right in the Bill of Rights, and subject to regulation just like any other right. That's my view of it. I've been sick of this since Columbine. Think of how long ago that was. Enough is enough!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3025935]Conspiracy land? Isn't this what you Democratiic want? Violence against the opposition. Hell, your dumb ass is calling Trump the Fuhrer, certainly that would justify assassination of him. In fact, that is what so many of you Democratic douches call for in the wake of Kirk's death, make Trump next.

And then we have Tooms saying Trump killed millions with Covid and plotting to do it again. If that is not a call to violence, I do not know what is. In his fucked up head, killing Trump is certainly the answer to everything evil in the world.

And then we have the assault on white people. Never mind that the poor woman was stabbed to death in a train. Gun control will fix everything!

And then we have the tranny with the anti-Trump rhetoric shooting up children in Minnesota. Yes, by all means, let's encourage the psychosis of sexually confused teens. Let's fill the confused teens full of drugs and give them surgery and not let their parents know.

And you accuse of us of conspiracy? LOL. That is rich. You Democratic douches advocate for violence time and again and then are shocked when it happens? Get the fuck out of here![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/11/teen-mom-producer-morgan-j-freeman-wonders-if-trump-ordered-charlie-kirks-assassination-as-a-distraction-from-epstein-to-delay-the-2026-midterms/[/URL]

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3025944]This guy Kirk is on record for emphatically asserting that to preserve the "god given" right to arms, it's acceptable to have gun related mass murders. You just got to suck it up. As someone who thinks the "right to bear arms" is only slightly less ridiculous than the "right to arm bears", it's ironic how he left this mortal coil. I wonder if he would still stand by his words. It's depressing to note that the wrong wing will still stand by the unfettered right to arms even when it's responsible for one the death of one of their own.

Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. He cared little about human lives if they conflicted with his political ideology. He further favoured the total evisceration of the Palestinians. He was truly vile person. But even vile people do not deserve to be murdered. This event epitomises to me the very troubling cultural and political warfare going on not just in the US but the west as a whole. The extremism of views on both the wrong wing and the left wing is growing to an extent that I cannot see an off ramp. Society. Any society- can only function in the Arestotlian golden mean, the middle ground. Polarised extreme views eventually tear all societies apart, and democracy is its first victim. We are witnessing the destruction of democracy in front of our very eyes. I fear that the only way in which democracy will be preserved in America is by the splintering of America. That will be truly be a sad day, but like witnessing a car crash in slow motion, I feel this is the inevitable outcome we are descending to.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-charlie-kirks-murder-is-not-an-argument-for-gun-control/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3025926]Hammer attack was from a left wing SF resident Minnesota shooter worked for Tampon Tim, don't forget the child trans butcher 2 weeks ago killing the kids praying, Shapiros house was firebombed. By a Jew hating leftist, don't leave out the harmless young girl butchered on the train in Charlotte the other day, the only one senselessly murdered on J6 was a fine MAGA patriot Ashley Babbit.

You are quite delusional.[/QUOTE]You are nothing more than an insulting, intellectually dishonest individual whose type is well known on the internet, not worthy of anyone's time here. After this post you will have no more of mine. I suppose you have an "alibi" for those who sought to kidnap governor Whitmer too? No, MAGA isn't responsible for any of this. It's all everyone else's fault. Right! It started when Trump came down that escalator spewing his vile rhetoric. Left wing radical, right wing reactionary, or just plain deranged lunatic! The [B]point[/B] is that regardless of one's views people are catching the violence all around. Nobody is immune. Healthcare CEO shot from behind on the street! That's point number 1. And point 2 is that there's plenty of blame to go around. So stop with the finger wagging and finger pointing, and on the issue either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! Intellectual honesty requires a recognition of what's wrong on both the left [B]and[/B] the right, something you clearly are incapable of, making you a part of the problem "Flintstone". Using what happened to try to score political points is just sickening. Willful ignorance. Intellectual dishonesty. That's you. Yabba dabba doo!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025957][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/watch-vile-leftist-chants-we-got-charlie-in-the-neck-in-wake-of-turning-point-usa-founders-assassination/[/URL][/QUOTE]He did a good job generating plenty of hate himself with his reprehensible views. Still, he did not deserve to be murdered. But remember what I said about the Trump assassination attempts. In life you're going to reap what you sow. [B]That’s true for every single one of us[/B]. If you sow hatred, violence, and division? Then that's going to come back on you. You shall reap what you sow!

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs[/URL]

Americans have come to accept that school shootings and political hits are a necessary price to insure freedom and the continuation of the Second Amendment without any changes.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3025936]In promoting hate speech towards Trump voters.

You have called me a Nazi, a fascist, etc when I try to reply my posts are blocked.[/QUOTE]Is this MDS1, claiming victimhood? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

Well if it is...take a good look in the mirror and tell me what you see? I'd really like to know?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3025935]Conspiracy land? ... calling Trump the Fuhrer, certainly that would justify assassination of him. In fact, that is what so many of you Democratic douches call for in the wake of Kirk's death, make Trump next. [/QUOTE]Yeah, NO! ...Allow me to set the record straight!

That would be YOUR sycophant VP, JD Vance who coined the phrase, and called your Fuhrer, the "America's Hitler"! So you can thank JD Vance for that! Besides, our own MDS1, thinks of it, as a term of endearment. [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3025935] ... If that is not a call to violence, I do not know what is. In his fucked up head, killing Trump is certainly the answer to everything evil in the world.
...
And you accuse of us of conspiracy? LOL. That is rich. You Democratic douches advocate for violence time and again and then are shocked when it happens? Get the fuck out of here! [/QUOTE]Oh really, I seem to recall just days ago when, RamDavidson, wrote:
[LIST][i][b]"....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]Basically, saying your MAGA Fuhrer, could commit MURDER, so long as "people's pockets" are filled with money. So get your freakin' facts straight, when it comes to who (especially on ISG), is the one advocating violence! [i][b]Dude, open freakin' eyes![/b][/i]

And while your at it, don't be a sucker, and wise up to the MAGA criminal element, that is so rampant, currently in the White House.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3025935] ... to call Trump the Fuhrer and [b]his followers Nazis[/b] and think that violence would not unfold? [/QUOTE][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] While it's true, there maybe American Nazis, that are followers and/or are members of your Fuhrer's QAnon/MAGA political party (since JD Vance did call him America's Hitler), [u]but it remains to be seen:[/u] [list]...when did I call MAGA suckers/cultists...Nazis? {...please provide the post link...}[/list][I][b]The only one here calling MAGA suckers, Nazis,...is YOU! [/b][/I]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025988]Is this MDS1, claiming victimhood? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

Well if it is...take a good look in the mirror and tell me what you see? I'd really like to know?

Yeah, NO!

Allow me to set the record straight! That would be YOUR sycophant VP, JD Vance who coined the phrase, and called your Fuhrer, the "America's Hitler"! So you can thank JD Vance for that! Besides, our own MDS1, thinks of it, as a term of endearment. [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].

Oh really, I seem to recall just days ago when, RamDavidson, wrote:
[LIST][i][b]"....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST].[/QUOTE]Please stop twisting my words. I did not say Trump was killing people on the White House lawn and advocating for violence. It was an exaggeration of speech to show Trump is very popular with his supporters as long as he is making them money.

I have tried to reply to this several times now and the Admin keeps blocking my posts.

I also think it is disgusting you would bring my dead friend up. Shows what type of human you are.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;3025986][b]The EPS FILES, Fear & Loathing, etc. Etc, [/b]

Americans have come to accept that school shootings and political hits are a necessary price to insure freedom and the continuation of the Second Amendment without any changes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025869][b]Political Violence [/b]

What is Trump going to do now? Send the National Guard to red Utah? Threaten to withhold funds if red Utah doesn't get its act together? If he really wants to address crime, how about cut the bullshit political theater and take on the gun violence in this country with some sensible gun reform? We've got to do something! The time for only prayers is long over. It's time for action! God helps those who help themselves. Instead, he and people from the right say the violence is all coming from the left. That's bullshit! It starts at the top. Remember Trump talking about "carrying people out on stretchers"? And that's just a little scratch on the surface. The Minnesota shootings. Shapiro's house firebombed. Hammer attack on Paul Pelosi! [B]January 6th[/B]! We could go on and on, but the point is that the violent rhetoric and acts are coming from both sides, including the MAGA movement itself. Until everyone can acknowledge that reality the problem won't get any better. It will only get worse! Enough is enough! Ya basta![/QUOTE]You are BOTH correct on all accounts!

With regards to the signs of such political violence and the deepening political and cultural divisions in America, which allegorically for some time now, has seen the proverbial writing on the wall, but have chosen to turn a blind eye.

The incident underscores the urgent need for de-escalation and dialogue, but I suspect, in the current climate, it may instead fuel more violence and conspiracy theories, given this MAGA toxic "strongman" fueled induced era.

Again, the long-term impact will depend mainly on how our so called [B]"leaders"[/B] and the public choose to respond to this incident.

No doubt this will be the perfect (temporary) distraction for the MAGA Fuhrer, as further evidence is uncovered, with regards to his involvement with the Jeffery Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF) case, with the release of Epstein's "birthday book" and the JP Morgan $1.1 (or $1.5??) Billion dollar cash withdrawals, for his criminal child sex trafficking enterprise.

The MAGA Fuhrer, is more likely to use this shooting incident, to reinforce his narrative, [B]of him being a victim of political violence,[/B] (not owning up, to his role in the stochastic-terrorism he constantly put out there), only to no doubt justify expanding executive powers, and divert attention from his involvement on the Epstein child sex trafficking case.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3025944]This guy Kirk is on record for emphatically asserting that to preserve the "god given" right to arms, it's acceptable to have gun related mass murders. You just got to suck it up. As someone who thinks the "right to bear arms" is only slightly less ridiculous than the "right to arm bears", it's ironic how he left this mortal coil. I wonder if he would still stand by his words. It's depressing to note that the wrong wing will still stand by the unfettered right to arms even when it's responsible for one the death of one of their own.

Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. He cared little about human lives if they conflicted with his political ideology. He further favoured the total evisceration of the Palestinians. He was truly vile person. But even vile people do not deserve to be murdered. This event epitomises to me the very troubling cultural and political warfare going on not just in the US but the west as a whole. The extremism of views on both the wrong wing and the left wing is growing to an extent that I cannot see an off ramp. Society. Any society- can only function in the Arestotlian golden mean, the middle ground. Polarised extreme views eventually tear all societies apart, and democracy is its first victim. We are witnessing the destruction of democracy in front of our very eyes. I fear that the only way in which democracy will be preserved in America is by the splintering of America. That will be truly be a sad day, but like witnessing a car crash in slow motion, I feel this is the inevitable outcome we are descending to.[/QUOTE]Well Said!

"Hi all,

The culture war shifted significantly in the last two weeks. First, we had the senseless murder of Iryna Zarutska by a man who had been let out of prison multiple times. Then, yesterday, the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, who was killed while bringing free speech to college campuses. I tweeted my thoughts on both incidents, and rather than write an article, I will post them here — in the order they were posted.

The brutal murder of a Ukrainian woman, Iryna Zarutska, in our streets isn't just a headline the media chose to bury — it's the deadly fruit of liberation ideology, born in the late 1960's. For decades, this toxic framework taught the weak-minded that all their struggles, failures, and pains stem from an eternal oppressor: the whites.

It's not mental illness alone that drives someone to commit such a gruesome act. It is the spark of tribal hatred ignited by this divisive worldview.

We permitted this hatred to thrive in the black underclass and what began in one community has metastasized, breeding resentment and violence across the nation. Our schools, through "liberated" ethnic studies, drill this poison into young minds, framing history as a simplistic battle of oppressed versus oppressor. Our governments apply this poison to how they mete out justice, and that is why the killer was free.

This ideology doesn't liberate. It teaches tribal hatred and this is the evil we must eradicated before more damage is done.

September 9.

The time has come to reclaim reality from distortions fracturing our shared humanity. The Left's relentless re-racialization of America has derailed us, prioritizing poetic truths over truth—including George Floyd, whose death was less tragic than this one. His choices led to it. This young woman had no choice. Her story demands attention, not for ideology, but because it pierces the heart of what it means to be human. We will decline as a nation if we tolerate this racist, dehumanizing dogma longer.

Throughout my life, people have asked my father, Shelby Steele, how to counter the Left's white guilt racism, pointing to the flawed promises of affirmative action or recent tragedies like Iryna Zarutska's death, and his answer has always been the same: Have courage.

To him, courage is no mere platitude but the force to reject groupthink, to see reality, to see individuals beyond stereotypes, and to refuse the attempt by others to reduce us to mere skin.

Courage is the antidote to the cowardice that fuels prejudice, the apathy that lets it fester, and the cynicism that says nothing can change. That is our test now: do we have the courage to step out of the shadows and say no more?

My father's quotes on courage over the last 30 years:

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but the willingness to act despite it. " "To speak honestly about race in America is to invite attack, but silence is a greater cowardice. "

"Moral courage is standing for what you believe when the world insists you bend. It's the only way to change anything. ".

"White America has to find a way to restore its moral confidence. It requires the courage to say 'look, I'm not a racist and I don't care what you say, whether it agrees with you or doesn't. '

"Genuine freedom stems from the courageous act of liberating ourselves from the constraints inflicted upon us by others as well as those created by our own minds. ".
And many more.

Race is always a seductive poison, no matter who uses it. It infuses itself into your mind and makes you forsake your humanity. Only grifters benefit.

September 10.

This is tragic. I never met him, but he was one of the earliest champions of my film with my father, Shelby Steele, "What Killed Michael Brown?" he interviewed my father two days after the film was released, during its ban from Amazon. They talked about the Left's systemic racism lie and the insidiousness of white guilt. Afterwards, I would hear from people that Charlie Kirk talked about white guilt on his program. He was one of the more intelligent beings and he was generous enough to spread our ideas. I will also say that Charlie Kirk was one of the braver souls who did not have an ounce of white guilt in him -- he spoke his mind freely and he lived life without fearing the charge of racism. He did not deserve what happened to him today. May his soul rest in peace.

The past two weeks, especially Charlie Kirk's assassination today, have exposed the Left's relentless assault on our nation's soul, reaching lows that I haven't witnessed since joining this culture war as a teen. We can no longer give quarter to an ideology hellbent on dismantling America. Our principles—liberty, truth, and the unyielding spirit of this nation—are non-negotiable. We must be unapologetically American.

Hours after the shooting of Charlie Kirk yesterday, I had a moment of realization. Nearly everyone I know—family, friends, colleagues—has had their lives affected by the Left.

I saw it firsthand in the late 1980's, when my father, Shelby Steele, was called a race traitor for his views on race. Soon after, I met Thomas Sowell, who had faced similar attacks years earlier, before cancellation was even a term. I experienced it myself at Claremont McKenna College. I was ostracized for not joining the black student union and engaging in reductive black politics.

As I got older, my father and I thought that exposing the truth would lead to change. But the Left grew stronger and took control of most American institutions. It changed our moral code from individual character to immutable traits like race.

We met more people harmed by this—whites who lost jobs over diversity policies, Asians discriminated for being successful, and many others shunned for speaking freely. We kept hoping our work would make the Left see their mistakes.

Instead, the Left ushered in the era of re-racialization with Trayvon Martin's death. My father fought back, denying systemic racism and defending America. I made a documentary exposing identity politics. Then we went to Ferguson to expose the truth about the Michael Brown shooting. Our film reached across the political divide and woke some people up. But more stayed quiet, their fears real after seeing what happens to those who speak out.

Now we live in a Leftist America reshaped after George Floyd. Through it all, Charlie Kirk spoke out bravely. His death made me reflect on my life, and that's when I saw it: nearly everyone I know has been harmed by the Left. But none of these people pitied themselves. Rather, they just shrugged at their fate and kept smiling. Even my father, when he should be enjoying retirement, continues to work every day as he has since seventh grade. So, that moment of reflection gave me the time to draw strength from each one of those souls.

They continue to fight because they refuse to give up the hope that a better America is within their reach. The death of Charlie has only made them more determined. "

-Eli from Man of Steele's Subs.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;3025944]This guy Kirk is on record for emphatically asserting that to preserve the "god given" right to arms, it's acceptable to have gun related mass murders. You just got to suck it up. As someone who thinks the "right to bear arms" is only slightly less ridiculous than the "right to arm bears", it's ironic how he left this mortal coil. I wonder if he would still stand by his words. It's depressing to note that the wrong wing will still stand by the unfettered right to arms even when it's responsible for one the death of one of their own.

Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. He cared little about human lives if they conflicted with his political ideology. He further favoured the total evisceration of the Palestinians. He was truly vile person. But even vile people do not deserve to be murdered. This event epitomises to me the very troubling cultural and political warfare going on not just in the US but the west as a whole. The extremism of views on both the wrong wing and the left wing is growing to an extent that I cannot see an off ramp. Society. Any society- can only function in the Arestotlian golden mean, the middle ground. Polarised extreme views eventually tear all societies apart, and democracy is its first victim. We are witnessing the destruction of democracy in front of our very eyes. I fear that the only way in which democracy will be preserved in America is by the splintering of America. That will be truly be a sad day, but like witnessing a car crash in slow motion, I feel this is the inevitable outcome we are descending to.[/QUOTE]He told yes for free weapons, even if killing some. Now, USA should understand if they are not too stupid, rather than putting flag down. Free weapons kill. But I doubt senile Trump is able to understand, same than his shame for abortion. Middle age country.

Is this MDS1, claiming victimhood?

Well if it is. Take a good look in the mirror and tell me what you see? I'd really like to know?

Yeah, no! Allow me to set the record straight!

That would be your sycophant VP, JD Vance who coined the phrase, and called your Fuhrer, the "America's Hitler"! So you can thank JD Vance for that! Besides, our own MDS1, thinks of it, as a term of endearment.

Oh really, I seem to recall just days ago when, RamDavidson, wrote:

Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket. "urlreplacement0}#post302442.

Basically, saying your MAGA Fuhrer, could commit MURDER, so long as "people's pockets" are filled with money. So get your freakin' facts straight, when it comes to who (especially on ISG), is the one advocating violence! Dude, open freakin' eyes!

And while your at it, don't be a sucker, and wise up to the MAGA criminal element, that is so rampant, currently in the White House.

While it's true, there maybe American Nazis, that are followers and / or are members of your Fuhrer's QAnon / MAGA political party (since JD Vance did call him America's Hitler), but it remains to be seen.

When did I call MAGA suckers / cultists. Nazis? {please provide the post link}

The only one here calling MAGA suckers, Nazis,. Is you!

We know you're allergic to the truth.

JD Vance never said that either, but keep repeating anyway.

You can post lies 24/7 I have to struggle very hard to get the truth posted!

Claiming victimhood? LOLOL nope just pointing out the blatant bias around here.

Free Speech for thee but not for me.

The leftist loser way, Tokyo Rose Goatanus and you.

[URL]https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlIvH6ozvv4[/URL]

I recommend some of you watch this if your celebrating the cowardly murder of Charlie Kirk.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026001]Well Said![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9V8lqWA3E[/URL]

Around 2007 I got on a train in Shanghai, to get off in Suzhou. The train was packed solid, in the aisles standing room only. As I approached my assigned seat the occupant got up. After a short while a Chinese man sitting across from me removed his ear buds and spoke in perfect English. He said that train was headed to Xinjiang, a 48 hour journey and that after a while it would become dangerous. He said "the Muslims, we hate them. They hate us, but we can do business". Anyone who criticized Charlie Kirk now will.

Be a target, as the website "[URL]charllesmurderers.com[/URL] has a format for anyone to dox those critics, complete with all the usual info including typical clothing and photos. One of the posters on ISG on this thread provided a website with a link. Another mentioned Unverified information about a a rifle. The left and right can't do business anymore.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;3026022]Around 2007 I got on a train in Shanghai, to get off in Suzhou. The train was packed solid, in the aisles standing room only. As I approached my assigned seat the occupant got up. After a short while a Chinese man sitting across from me removed his ear buds and spoke in perfect English. He said that train was headed to Xinjiang, a 48 hour journey and that after a while it would become dangerous. He said "the Muslims, we hate them. They hate us, but we can do business". Anyone who criticized Charlie Kirk now will.

Be a target, as the website "[URL]charllesmurderers.com[/URL] has a format for anyone to dox those critics, complete with all the usual info including typical clothing and photos. One of the posters on ISG on this thread provided a website with a link. Another mentioned Unverified information about a a rifle. The left and right can't do business anymore.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/china/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;3026022]Around 2007 I got on a train in Shanghai, to get off in Suzhou. The train was packed solid, in the aisles standing room only. As I approached my assigned seat the occupant got up. After a short while a Chinese man sitting across from me removed his ear buds and spoke in perfect English. He said that train was headed to Xinjiang, a 48 hour journey and that after a while it would become dangerous. He said "the Muslims, we hate them. They hate us, but we can do business". Anyone who criticized Charlie Kirk now will.

Be a target, as the website "[URL]charllesmurderers.com[/URL] has a format for anyone to dox those critics, complete with all the usual info including typical clothing and photos. One of the posters on ISG on this thread provided a website with a link. Another mentioned Unverified information about a a rifle. The left and right can't do business anymore.[/QUOTE]The radical left. The reactionary right. The deranged lunatic. It's a powder keg mix right now. And you're right. But the question is why? Why is it that business can't get done anymore? I suggest because there's no longer any agreement on the rules. How about we start with this one? The Constitution is the law of the land. And we swear allegiance to the law of the land. Not to any one man or party, but to the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States! We swear allegiance to [B]it[/B] and conduct our actions accordingly, not with lying and gaslighting, but with intellectual honesty and integrity. How about that as a starting point for the rules to be followed? Is that too much to ask? Too much to expect?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;3025986]Americans have come to accept that school shootings and political hits are a necessary price to ensure freedom and the continuation of the Second Amendment without any changes.[/QUOTE]Charlie Kirk was assassinated because the radical Left did not like what he was saying and they hated his rising popularity especially among college kids. There is no telling where Kirk might have gone. He might have become a presidential contender at some future date. Thus, the Left is glad this man is dead and very clearly the Left does not respect the 1st amendment freedom of speech in the constitution unless that speech passes Party approval. I did not agree with everything Kirk said, but anyone who thinks his assignation was justified is a left-wing nazi!

We have the 2nd amendment precisely because the framers knew what could happen without it. It is a safeguard measure to protect our freedom. I have a gun and if some asshole tries to break into my house, I am going to shoot that motherfucker in his or her chest. The Left wants to take guns away from honest citizens not criminals in order to make everybody dependent on the government. Just take a look how they choose not to enforce the strict gun laws already in place in places like Chicago or how they let violent repeat criminals out on the street. Black lives do not matter to Dem Woke shitheads. 100's of thousands of black Americans are dead on account of Democrat policies and yet Trump is the fascist for wanting to stop the killings.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026002]"Hi all,

The culture war shifted significantly in the last two weeks. First, we had the senseless murder of Iryna Zarutska by a man who had been let out of prison multiple times. Then, yesterday, the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, who was killed while bringing free speech to college campuses. I tweeted my thoughts on both incidents, and rather than write an article, I will post them here in the order they were posted.

The brutal murder of a Ukrainian woman, Iryna Zarutska, in our streets isn't just a headline the media chose to bury it's the deadly fruit of liberation ideology, born in the late 1960's. For decades, this toxic framework taught the weak-minded that all their struggles, failures, and pains stem from an eternal oppressor: the whites.[/QUOTE][URL]https://live-national-review-wordpress.pantheonsite.io/corner/horror-in-queens/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=fourth[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026002]"Hi all,

The culture war shifted significantly in the last two weeks. First, we had the senseless murder of Iryna Zarutska by a man who had been let out of prison multiple times. Then, yesterday, the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, who was killed while bringing free speech to college campuses. I tweeted my thoughts on both incidents, and rather than write an article, I will post them here in the order they were posted.

The brutal murder of a Ukrainian woman, Iryna Zarutska, in our streets isn't just a headline the media chose to bury it's the deadly fruit of liberation ideology, born in the late 1960's. For decades, this toxic framework taught the weak-minded that all their struggles, failures, and pains stem from an eternal oppressor: the whites..[/QUOTE]Here we go again! It's all about the left and nothing about the right! No, MAGA hasn't done anything to contribute to the current dangerous environment has it? You focus on only the murders that you believe support your one-sided diatribe. What about the others? Shouldn't all political violence be condemned? Shouldn't all innocent loss of life be mourned? Why weren't flags lowered to half staff for the slain Minnesotans? The American experiment is in crisis, and MAGA has been front and center in moving this country in the wrong direction along a continuum. We have to find common ground. But that can't happen if either side won't be intellectually honest. That means acting with integrity and accepting inconvenient truths. Here's an example. I agree with Kirk that African-Americans should not receive reparations. But not for the intellectually dishonest reason that I heard him give (because nothing bad ever happened to black people in this country). Are you for real? That's complete and total and utter bullshit! Intellectual dishonesty beyond comprehension. How can you find common ground with either side spouting utter rubbish like that? You can't! And until it stops and people get ready to start getting real, then this is where we are. And this is where we will remain. Or worse! What happened to Charlie was cruel and heinous. But it's not a reason to stop telling the truth. And it's not a justification to continue speaking with intellectual dishonesty about the problems we face. Donald Trump and his followers are trampling on the Constitution. Is he der Fuhrer? No. But he does display dictatorial, authoritarian tendencies. MAGA is absolutely a significant part of the problem. It's not just "the left". And anyone who can't see that? I hold they too are also a part of the problem! Anyone trying to score political points behind this. Just despicable and disgusting!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026012][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlIvH6ozvv4[/URL]

I recommend some of you watch this if your celebrating the cowardly murder of Charlie Kirk.[/QUOTE]Great video! I hope some here are taking notes.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025988]Is this MDS1, claiming victimhood?

Yeah, NO! ...Allow me to set the record straight!

That would be YOUR sycophant VP, JD Vance who coined the phrase, and called your Fuhrer, the "America's Hitler"! So you can thank JD Vance for that! Besides, our own MDS1, thinks of it, as a term of endearment.[/QUOTE]So setting the record straight is your saying two wrongs make a right, and you are not responsible for your rhetoric? Got it!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025988]And while your at it, don't be a sucker, and wise up to the MAGA criminal element, that is so rampant, currently in the White House.[/QUOTE]And here we go again. You are literally calling for Trump being assassinated. This is the problem with you Democratic douches. You keep saying we would be in nirvana if only Trump were dead.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3025988]While it's true, there maybe American Nazis, that are followers and/or are members of your Fuhrer's QAnon/MAGA political
when did I call MAGA suckers/cultists...Nazis?[/QUOTE]LOL. You demonize the fuck out of Republicans, call us every name in the book, including cultists following the Fuhrer, and you want credit for not calling us nazis? I think that says it all about you.

I have been very clear that my use of the term Democratic douche does not apply to people who vote Democrat because they like a candidate or the Democrats position on the issues, but people who blindly follow the Democrats no matter what they do or say including their preaching hate.

If you had one spec of rationality in that pea brain of yours, you would use this as a wake up call and turn down the name calling and the hate. But this last post just showed us you live for the hate.

I repeat, this is the Democratic training video, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY[/URL].

The people cheering, the ones going mad for this stupid, grotesque, and unimaginative putdown are who you Democratic douches are. You and Tooms would literally be cheering like everyone else if you were there.

Of course, youtube has not taken that down. Censorship is reserved only for Republicans. This video is of great value to Democratic douches.

And if you are a crazed and confused Tranny or a mentally ill black homeless person, and you want to be immortalized and loved and cheered like Deniro was, the message is clear, kill Trump, kill Kirk, or kill any white person.

That is not a conspiracy theory. Hell, you douches are proud of your fucked up beliefs.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026066]The radical left. The reactionary right. The deranged lunatic. It's a powder keg mix right now. And you're right. But the question is why? Why is it that business can't get done anymore? I suggest because there's no longer any agreement on the rules. How about we start with this one? The Constitution is the law of the land. And we swear allegiance to the law of the land. Not to any one man or party, but to the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States! We swear allegiance to [B]it[/B] and conduct our actions accordingly, not with lying and gaslighting, but with intellectual honesty and integrity. How about that as a starting point for the rules to be followed? Is that too much to ask? Too much to expect?[/QUOTE]Cane, because of the Democrats belief on illegal immigration, we cannot even agree who our citizens are. Democratic douches are so fucked in the head that they think people illegally entering the country and illegally working here have Constitutional rights. Well, they do not. They have the right to be treated humanely, and that is about it.

And fuck all that shit about they are so hard working crap. Those illegals screw over those who need a living wage and the legal immigrants. If we need immigrants, we should let them come in legally. I am 100% for expanded legal immigration and a type of amnesty program but no voting until you are a citizen. No, the real reason the Democrats are so pro-illegal is that the illegals vote illegally and vote Democrat when they do.

I do not have a problem with expanded time for elections. Voting does not have to be one day, but Republicans want paper ballots, voter ID laws, and no illegals voting. Quite frankly, if you are not for those laws, then you are for cheating in the voting.

Let's be honest about that. Biden let the illegals come in. He lied about not doing it and then pretended he was powerless to stop it.

Democrats cannot even agree that people who entered the country illegally are illegal aliens. For them, they preach rule of law only when it comes to laws they agree with.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026099]Here we go again! It's all about the left and nothing about the right! No, MAGA hasn't done anything to contribute to the current dangerous environment has it? You focus on only the murders that you believe support your one-sided diatribe. What about the others? Shouldn't all political violence be condemned? Shouldn't all innocent loss of life be mourned? Why weren't flags lowered to half staff for the slain Minnesotans? The American experiment is in crisis, and MAGA has been front and center in moving this country in the wrong direction along a continuum. We have to find common ground. But that can't happen if either side won't be intellectually honest. That means acting with integrity and accepting inconvenient truths. Here's an example. I agree with Kirk that African-Americans should not receive reparations. But not for the intellectually dishonest reason that I heard him give (because nothing bad ever happened to black people in this country). Are you for real? That's complete and total and utter bullshit! Intellectual dishonesty beyond comprehension. How can you find common ground with either side spouting utter rubbish like that? You can't! And until it stops and people get ready to start getting real, then this is where we are. And this is where we will remain. Or worse! What happened to Charlie was cruel and heinous. But it's not a reason to stop telling the truth. And it's not a justification to continue speaking with intellectual dishonesty about the problems we face. Donald Trump and his followers are trampling on the Constitution.( (See below) Is he der Fuhrer? No. But he does display dictatorial, authoritarian tendencies.[/QUOTE]You know nothing about human history.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025975]Well it's clear that doing the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen is no solution. That's one definition of insanity. Rarely is there a clear solution to difficult problems. But courageous people understand they have to act to bring about change. I don't think getting rid of access to all guns is the solution, and I don't know of any sensible person who proposes that. But there needs to be some sensible regulations put into place. The United States, the supposed world leader, is the only country in the world with a gun violence problem of this nature. We're leading in the wrong category here. Continued prayer for the family then hearing about the next round of shootings the next day is not a viable option. It's never been one. Doing something is better than doing nothing at this point. The 2nd amendment is not absolute, just like any other right in the Bill of Rights, and subject to regulation just like any other right. That's my view of it. I've been sick of this since Columbine. Think of how long ago that was. Enough is enough![/QUOTE]You make some good points I agree with. But what is the solution? How do you fix it? What "something" should be done?

Imagine you had dozens of people in your life who you loved dearly. Family, friends, wife, parents, children, whatever. Now imagine a group of 1000 people who hated you and everyone you love and 100 of those people who hate you are directly responsible for killing, kidnapping, and torturing several of the people you love. Only 100 of the 1000 are directly responsible for this, but the 1000 all hate you and some of their children will try to kill the people you love in future generations. Here is your choice, kill all 1000 people and save everyone you love or continue to allow the people you love to be killed, kidnapped, and tortured. What would you do? That is a hard question, but someone who decides to kill to protect their family is not some one I would automatically call evil and label a villain. Charlie Kirk was not a bad person in the slightest for supporting Israel. Unless you are Israeli or Palestinian, it is very hard to pass judgement on this. You must live there to truly understand what is going on. For most of history this questioned has been answered with war and the stronger people eliminate the people who threaten them. I am not saying that is the right thing to do, I am just stating what has historically happened.

Charlie kirk was not an evil person just because he supported Israel. Charlie Kirk was a brave and intelligent man who gave his life for the things he believed in. He constantly advocated for peaceful debate and there is too much slander on his name.

My biggest question during this whole war is why do these Arab Muslim nations who care so much about Palestine not allow them to enter their countries? Egypt? Iran? Iraq? Why do they not save their Muslim brothers and their children? Why watch them be forced from their homes and bombed and killed and mutilated? My guess is they want conflict and they hate Israel so much they would rather watch their fellow Muslims die and lose their land than bow down to the people they hate, the Israelis. I think this is horrible and cruel by the Muslim nations. I know if it were me, in a heartbeat I would take them in as refugees. Sickening no Muslim nations will let them enter their countries to save them.

I think people who rejoice that Charlie Kirk was assassinated are sick and weak and I don't value them as people. Political violence should be condemned on both sides.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;3025986]Americans have come to accept that school shootings and political hits are a necessary price to insure freedom and the continuation of the Second Amendment without any changes.[/QUOTE]Beijing, its not that simple. If I could snap my fingers and make all guns in the USA disappear, I would in a second. There are so many guns in the USA it would be impossible at this point to make them illegal. This is a country of 330 million plus probably 20 million illegal immigrants, 350 million total. Your not getting 350 million people to give up their guns, no chance. I don't have an answer or have heard of anyone who has proposed a realistic solution, but I sure wish I had one. What do you suggest the USA do?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026099]Here we go again! It's all about the left and nothing about the right! No, MAGA hasn't done anything to contribute to the current dangerous environment has it? You focus on only the murders that you believe support your one-sided diatribe. What about the others? Shouldn't all political violence be condemned? Shouldn't all innocent loss of life be mourned? Why weren't flags lowered to half staff for the slain Minnesotans? The American experiment is in crisis, and MAGA has been front and center in moving this country in the wrong direction along a continuum. We have to find common ground. But that can't happen if either side won't be intellectually honest. That means acting with integrity and accepting inconvenient truths. Here's an example. I agree with Kirk that African-Americans should not receive reparations. But not for the intellectually dishonest reason that I heard him give (because nothing bad ever happened to black people in this country). Are you for real? That's complete and total and utter bullshit! Intellectual dishonesty beyond comprehension. How can you find common ground with either side spouting utter rubbish like that? You can't! And until it stops and people get ready to start getting real, then this is where we are. And this is where we will remain. Or worse! What happened to Charlie was cruel and heinous. But it's not a reason to stop telling the truth. And it's not a justification to continue speaking with intellectual dishonesty about the problems we face. Donald Trump and his followers are trampling on the Constitution. Is he der Fuhrer? No. But he does display dictatorial, authoritarian tendencies. MAGA is absolutely a significant part of the problem. It's not just "the left". And anyone who can't see that? I hold they too are also a part of the problem! Anyone trying to score political points behind this. Just despicable and disgusting![/QUOTE]Please post link of Kirk saying nothing ever happened to black people. That does not sound like something he would say. Again, too much slander on his name.

For the first time he said something that I 100% support without hesitation:

[URL]https://youtu.be/HlIvH6ozvv4?si=fzi0XIVF7_pZlY2s[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025979]You are nothing more than an insulting, intellectually dishonest individual whose type is well known on the internet, not worthy of anyone's time here. After this post you will have no more of mine. I suppose you have an "alibi" for those who sought to kidnap governor Whitmer too? No, MAGA isn't responsible for any of this. It's all everyone else's fault. Right! It started when Trump came down that escalator spewing his vile rhetoric. Left wing radical, right wing reactionary, or just plain deranged lunatic! The [B]point[/B] is that regardless of one's views people are catching the violence all around. Nobody is immune. Healthcare CEO shot from behind on the street! That's point number 1. And point 2 is that there's plenty of blame to go around. So stop with the finger wagging and finger pointing, and on the issue either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! Intellectual honesty requires a recognition of what's wrong on both the left [B]and[/B] the right, something you clearly are incapable of, making you a part of the problem "Flintstone". Using what happened to try to score political points is just sickening. Willful ignorance. Intellectual dishonesty. That's you. Yabba dabba doo![/QUOTE]Don't forget the fertility clinic bombing in Palm Springs WOW congrats you're on the team full of deranged violent psychopaths that loves to gun down little kids praying.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/11/teen-mom-producer-morgan-j-freeman-wonders-if-trump-ordered-charlie-kirks-assassination-as-a-distraction-from-epstein-to-delay-the-2026-midterms/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/11/actress-amber-tamblyn-mocks-the-fact-that-charlie-kirks-daughter-witnessed-his-gory-assassination/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2025/09/12/franklin-graham-charlie-kirks-death-i-think-devil-has-overplayed-his-hand/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026075]Charlie Kirk was assassinated because the radical Left did not like what he was saying and they hated his rising popularity especially among college kids. There is no telling where Kirk might have gone. He might have become a presidential contender at some future date. Thus, the Left is glad this man is dead and very clearly the Left does not respect the 1st amendment freedom of speech in the constitution unless that speech passes Party approval. I did not agree with everything Kirk said, but anyone who thinks his assignation was justified is a left-wing nazi!

We have the 2nd amendment precisely because the framers knew what could happen without it. It is a safeguard measure to protect our freedom. I have a gun and if some asshole tries to break into my house, I am going to shoot that motherfucker in his or her chest. The Left wants to take guns away from honest citizens not criminals in order to make everybody dependent on the government. Just take a look how they choose not to enforce the strict gun laws already in place in places like Chicago or how they let violent repeat criminals out on the street. Black lives do not matter to Dem Woke shitheads. 100's of thousands of black Americans are dead on account of Democrat policies and yet Trump is the fascist for wanting to stop the killings.[/QUOTE]You must give some Democrats credit for their congame they convince blacks they like them and then pass laws to destroy them and chase them out of their states (and still get their votes).

Many blue states have very low black populations, gee I wonder why, case in point California BLM BLM BLM.

"look how they choose not to enforce the strict gun laws already in place in places like Chicago or how they let violent repeat criminals out on the street".

They let them out so they can keep killing each other.

[URL]https://13wham.com/news/nation-world/almost-100-murder-suspects-in-chicago-allowed-to-stay-out-of-jail-under-house-arrest-cook-county-violent-crime-criminals-sheriff-tom-dart-pretrial-program[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026147]You must give some Democrats credit for their congame they convince blacks they like them and then pass laws to destroy them and chase them out of their states (and still get their votes).

Many blue states have very low black populations, gee I wonder why, case in point California BLM BLM BLM.

"look how they choose not to enforce the strict gun laws already in place in places like Chicago or how they let violent repeat criminals out on the street".

They let them out so they can keep killing each other.

[URL]https://13wham.com/news/nation-world/almost-100-murder-suspects-in-chicago-allowed-to-stay-out-of-jail-under-house-arrest-cook-county-violent-crime-criminals-sheriff-tom-dart-pretrial-program[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, Trump likes black people. Does not pretend to like them. I don't believe in racial identity politics but Trump could not find one "token" this time around to put in his cabinet? He hates black people.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026110]Cane, because of the Democrats belief on illegal immigration, we cannot even agree who our citizens are. Democratic douches are so fucked in the head that they think people illegally entering the country and illegally working here have Constitutional rights. Well, they do not. They have the right to be treated humanely, and that is about it.

And fuck all that shit about they are so hard working crap. Those illegals screw over those who need a living wage and the legal immigrants. If we need immigrants, we should let them come in legally. I am 100% for expanded legal immigration and a type of amnesty program but no voting until you are a citizen. No, the real reason the Democrats are so pro-illegal is that the illegals vote illegally and vote Democrat when they do..[/QUOTE]One of the absolute worst things that the Biden administration did was the way they handled illegal immigration. The way they handled it made no sense, and I couldn't figure out the strategy. Here is what I know. Most people who come here illegally seeking asylum are lying. Not all but not most. They will say that they seek to escape gangs and violence and all that sort of thing. But for most, that's not the real reason. The real reason they come is as economic migrants and / or to reunite with family members who are already living in the States, many of them illegally as well. And I think the truth is that we really do need for people to come. This is a nation of immigrants. We need people to pick our fruits and vegetables, to build new homes, etc. But they need to come here legally. And if they don't, then they have no right to remain here or to be treated as citizens, which they are not. No nation should be letting just anyone and everyone enter its borders, get away with making false asylum claims, be entitled to generous public assistance, etc. I wish we had something like the European Union. The "North American Union", with the dollar as the common currency, that would allow people to move more freely back and forth to work. People want to work. We need the labor. And it could break the crooked coyotes from exploiting people so much. But regardless of whatever system is in place, if you come here illegally, then you got to go! That said, I do believe there does need to be some level of due process. People should be able to state their case. But "catch and release" is stupid, expecting people to voluntarily show up for their hearing when many just choose to disappear into the shadows instead. Keep the illegals detained, do not separate kids from parents, allow for some due process, and deport as required. Even better, keep out as many as possible in the first place, and put the screws to Mexico for letting all these people flow freely through their country up to the American border.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026141]Please post link of Kirk saying nothing ever happened to black people. That does not sound like something he would say. Again, too much slander on his name.[/QUOTE]In the interest of intellectual honesty, and to walk the talk, I'm going to clarify this. I saw a clip on the news that did not include Kirk's full statement (unfortunately the news outlets do this a lot creating a false or misleading impression). I did some research, and Kirk's full statement essentially was that he did not believe that reparations should be paid to African Americans living today because nothing bad has happened to them, unlike their ancestors who indeed did have something bad happen to them. That's the essence of what he said, which I still find to be intellectually dishonest. Plenty of bad things still happen to black people today precisely because of their race (example, far more likely to be subjected to excessive police brutality). There may be no more slavery, but rest assured racism and colorism are alive and well. Again, I agree with him that reparations should not be paid, but for totally different reasons I won't go into as that's getting off the main discussion now. I'll leave it like this. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the greatest president of them all, had it right. He thought that blacks should be repatriated to Africa. Not because he was a racist. But because he believed black people would never be able to forgive white people for what they had done (there needs to be a recognition in the first place that something very wrong was done in order to realize a need for forgiveness). And second, he believed that white people would never fully let go of their racism. This country has come forward a really, really long way. But we still struggle to be a more perfect union. To be the [B]United[/B] States of America. The great American experiment is in crisis, and I'm scared. I'm scared that we're moving backwards. Leaders on either side aren't leading. The divide is getting too wide. And a divided house collapses in on itself and falls.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3025989]Please stop twisting my words. I did not say Trump was killing people on the White House lawn and advocating for violence. It was an exaggeration of speech to show Trump is very popular with his supporters as long as he is making them money. [/QUOTE]Nah dude, you do a great job of twisting your words, all on your own!
[LIST][i][b]"....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3025989] I also think it is disgusting you would bring my dead friend up. Shows what type of human you are.[/QUOTE][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] You're too funny, especially considering you're the one that dragged your unfortunately dead drugged-up friend and offered them up as political cannon fodder.

By tossing them into a political debt (no doubt just to garner sympathy) and then you turnaround and make violent criminal claims, about your Fuhrer's killing spree impunity. So what now, [b]you expect us to take you seriously,[/B] about your dead drugged-up friend [B]and what it means too cherish life, or take a like, [/B]either by willful presidential harm or by fentanyl?

Like really dude, c'mon! I know you said you're somewhat of a naive debater, but you're not that naive?

So the question is RamDavidson84, while this is not quite the same as YOUR Fuhrer's impunity killing spree on the White House lawn: [list][I][b]"Does the death of Charlie Kirk [/b](perhaps by way of the White House Lawn?), [b]still put money in people's pocket??"[/b][/I][/list]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3026108]So setting the record straight is your saying two wrongs make a right, and you are not responsible for your rhetoric? Got it! [/QUOTE]
[I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] Last I checked, the "2-wrongs of J.D. Vance", calling your MAGA Fuhrer, [b]"America's Hitler",[/b] didn't hurt his chances at becoming vice president, now did it! Especially when you consider that the white supremacists like Nick Fuentes, where making racist attacks his wife, Usha (practicing Hindu of Indian heritage).

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3026108]You demonize the fuck out of Republicans, call us every name in the book, including cultists following the Fuhrer, and you want credit for not calling us nazis? I think that says it all about you.[/QUOTE] This sound much like you're really trying to best and one-up, MDS1 on the victimhood! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]
[i]{...BTW, don't forget the links to substantiate your false claims...}[/i]

Although, I can truly see you've been taking notes from your Fuhrer, on the hole "victimhood" woe is me, shtick! I think you'll agree, it will be interesting to see if he can still pull the "victimhood card", on the Epstein Sex Pedo Birthday Book, his signature on a degrading card (he denies) and why there's a section on kids/children, in a grown man's "birthday book"? [url]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5q68j2169o[/url]

Let's also not forget, the $1.1 ($1.5 ??) billion dollar JP Morgen account in Epstein Pedo Sex Files, child trafficking withdrawals. JPMorgan processed over $1B for Jeffrey Epstein despite internal concerns over sex offender status: report. [url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/jpmorgan-processed-over-1b-jeffrey-epstein-despite-internal-concerns-over-sex-offender-status-report[/url]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3026108]And if you are a crazed and confused Tranny or a mentally ill black homeless person, and you want to be immortalized and loved and cheered like Deniro was, the message is clear, kill Trump, kill Kirk, or kill any white person.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you're making a MAGA confession, to wanting to incite more violence? Or have you come out of the INCEL closet?

Yeah, your posts are definitely colorful, to say the least. [b]IF ONLY they were [u]FACTUAL!!![/u][/b]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/steve-hilton-newsmax-political-violence/2025/09/12/id/1226257/[/URL]

Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

[B]Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/05/06/constitutional-rights-of--undocumented-immigrants-do-they-have-any/[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]What the U.S. Constitution Says[/b]
The Fifth Amendment states:

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees:

"Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person the equal protection of the laws.

These protections apply regardless of immigration status.

[B]What the Courts Have Said[/b]
The Supreme Court has consistently upheld that undocumented immigrants have constitutional protections:

[B]Yick Wo v. Hopkins[/b] (1886)
The Court ruled that the Equal Protection Clause applies to all persons, not just citizens, striking down a discriminatory licensing law targeting Chinese immigrants.

[B]Plyler v. Doe[/b] (1982)
Texas attempted to block undocumented children from public schools. The Court ruled this unconstitutional, affirming that undocumented immigrants are persons under the Fourteenth Amendment.

[B]Zadvydas v. Davis[/b] (2001)
The Court found that the government cannot detain immigrants indefinitely without a hearing, even if they are subject to a final order of removal.

[B]Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei[/b] (1953)
A notable exception: immigrants stopped at the border and denied entry can be held with fewer due process rights, as they are considered outside U.S. territory for constitutional purposes.

[B]So What Constitutional Rights Do Undocumented Immigrants Have?[/b]
Undocumented immigrants inside the United States have several key rights, including:

Undocumented immigrants inside the United States have several key rights, including:

The right to a hearing before deportation;
The right to apply for asylum or other forms of protection;
The right to be represented by legal counsel at their own expense;
The right to challenge unlawful government actions;
Protection against indefinite detention.

However, they do not have the right to a government-paid lawyer in immigration court unlike in criminal cases, where the Sixth Amendment guarantees counsel.

At the border, migrants without papers may face expedited removal, a process that allows for swift deportation without a full hearing unless they express fear of persecution. In that case, they must be given a credible fear interview with an asylum officer before they are removed.
..........
[B]A Nation of Laws, And Of People[/b]
The idea that illegal immigrants have no rights is both political kryptonite and legally wrong. While the federal government has broad authority over immigration policy, the Constitution guarantees basic protections to all human beings within U.S. borders. This principle that the rule of law applies even to the most vulnerable is one of the United States most enduring constitutional legacies.[/QUOTE]President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3025982]He did a good job generating plenty of hate himself with his reprehensible views. Still, he did not deserve to be murdered. But remember what I said about the Trump assassination attempts. In life you're going to reap what you sow. [B]Thats true for every single one of us[/B]. If you sow hatred, violence, and division? Then that's going to come back on you. You shall reap what you sow!

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs[/URL][/QUOTE]Buckle up cupcakes.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/12/michael-savage-charlie-kirk-assassination-oneway-civil-war/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026156]Nah dude, you do a great job of twisting your words, all on your own!
[LIST][i][b]"....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it!

[I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] You're too funny, especially considering you're the one that dragged your unfortunately dead drugged-up friend and offered them up as political cannon fodder.

By tossing them into a political debt (no doubt just to garner sympathy) and then you turnaround and make violent criminal claims, about your Fuhrer's killing spree impunity. So what now, [b]you expect us to take you seriously,[/B] about your dead drugged-up friend [B]and what it means too cherish life, or take a like, [/B]either by willful presidential harm or by fentanyl?[/QUOTE]Lololololol, your so over the top its hysterical. Please Please Please keep posting so people can clearly see what your about. I love your posts my man hahahahah!

I have to be very careful what I write or admin will not post. Funny how you can clearly say what ever you want and it gets posted hahaha. I love ISG!

I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life. Thank you for inspiration my brother lolololol.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026155]In the interest of intellectual honesty, and to walk the talk, I'm going to clarify this. I saw a clip on the news that did not include Kirk's full statement (unfortunately the news outlets do this a lot creating a false or misleading impression). I did some research, and Kirk's full statement essentially was that he did not believe that reparations should be paid to African Americans living today because nothing bad has happened to them, unlike their ancestors who indeed did have something bad happen to them. That's the essence of what he said, which I still find to be intellectually dishonest. Plenty of bad things still happen to black people today precisely because of their race (example, far more likely to be subjected to excessive police brutality). There may be no more slavery, but rest assured racism and colorism are alive and well. Again, I agree with him that reparations should not be paid, but for totally different reasons I won't go into as that's getting off the main discussion now. I'll leave it like this. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the greatest president of them all, had it right. He thought that blacks should be repatriated to Africa. Not because he was a racist. But because he believed black people would never be able to forgive white people for what they had done (there needs to be a recognition in the first place that something very wrong was done in order to realize a need for forgiveness). And second, he believed that white people would never fully let go of their racism. This country has come forward a really, really long way. But we still struggle to be a more perfect union. To be the [B]United[/B] States of America. The great American experiment is in crisis, and I'm scared. I'm scared that we're moving backwards. Leaders on either side aren't leading. The divide is getting too wide. And a divided house collapses in on itself and falls.[/QUOTE]I disagree Cane, but I understand where you are coming from and Charlie Kirk was not perfect and he may has said a few things which are wrong and I don't agree with. Please also try to understand his situation, he is having these rapid fire debates constantly day after day, he is bound to say some stupid shit. Have you ever said something you wish you could take back? I think we all have at some point.

I truly in my heart think Charlie Kirk meant well and was not even slightly racist. I have a higher tolerance for what I consider truly racist, so take that into consideration. Of course racism still exists and of course there are hardships for people of color today because of it. If Kirk refused to acknowledge that I believe he was wrong. He was an intelligent guy, but young and inexperienced, consider that as well.

My point is I don't think Kirk was a bad guy at all. I think he showed the best of humanity at times, bravely speaking on behalf of his and people who share his beliefs. By people I mean conservative Americans. I am sure he got death threats all the time and he chose the brave heroic path anyway. Just like the great and brave Americans before him like MLK and Malcom x and others who faced dangers but represented their people publicly anyway. The narrative should have nothing to do with Kirk's politics, the narrative immeadiately after his death should be to honor the positive things he did and most importantly, condemn political violence on all sides! Wait a week or two until you want to criticize the guy for his views. Its too divisive when the wound is so open and fresh, allow time for healing until you want to shit on the guy, which is your right though. I am just saying give it a few days.

As for Lincoln, yes it is hard to argue he is not the GOAT President. My personal favorite. Dude was a hell of a wrestler in his youth. A quiet bad ass like modern Dagestani Russians. I think your thoughts about Lincoln are wrong though. If he truly thought the things you said he did about blacks going back to Africa and whites never letting go of racism, he would not have forced the North to fight that war. The North did not have to fight the Civil War. The North could have easily said, Ok well be the good guys up here and let the South be the evil slave holders down there and no one has to die. Judge Lincoln and all the Northern soldiers by there actions. They fought a horrific war of attrition for four years and 600,000 Americans died to keep this country together and rid it of its greatest evil. America has a complicated history, but at times it is so beautiful when you really think about it. Think of the pressure Lincoln faced and he held everyone together and achieved one of the greatest Triumphs in history. To conquer a vast area such as the South during a time period where Armies were mostly still marching to battle fields and fighting with muskets and sabers is almost impossible to think he actually pulled it off.

Again as I previously stated, judge Lincoln by his actions, not something he may have wrote down one time as he was having doubts and wanted to perhaps cover himself if the war was lost. Remember he was a politician at the end of day LOL.

Now ridding the nation of slavery, and keeping the South from ceceeding again in the future and also giving former slaves in the South true equality was not achieved and the nation failed there, but over time we keep going in the right direction. Have faith. Keep violence out of politics.

As far as Americans being divided. Social Media and the Interwebs and smart phones have made it is easier than ever for foreign influence to turn us against each other. My opinion is there are a lot of foreign players that want to see the USA weaken for their own personal gain. A story as old as time. Look at the propaganda campaign we used on Soviet Union. Brought down one of the largest empires of all time. Race is our greatest weakness as a nation, don't be shocked an adversary would try to exploit that vulnerability. Russia, China, North Korea.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3026153]Yeah, Trump likes black people. Does not pretend to like them. I don't believe in racial identity politics but Trump could not find one "token" this time around to put in his cabinet? He hates black people.[/QUOTE]I noticed that too LOL. Its not a good look for the political climate at the moment.

But in his defense, the black community has been going hard at Trump, he is probably bitter.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026179]Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

[B]Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/05/06/constitutional-rights-of--undocumented-immigrants-do-they-have-any/[/URL]

President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.[/QUOTE][URL]https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/beheading/post/380648/an-immigrant-in-texas-beheaded-a[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/graphic-biden-released-illegal-alien-seen-carrying-severed-head-across-texas-motel-parking-lot/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026179]Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

[B]Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/05/06/constitutional-rights-of--undocumented-immigrants-do-they-have-any/[/URL]

President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.[/QUOTE]This is correct about the Constitution and how it has been interpreted by the courts with respect to immigrant rights. Thus, the need for due process as I said. That means that you don't get to just send someone off to El Salvador (or to South Sudan or wherever) because you don't like them being here. We need to follow the rules. And rule number 1 is that the Constitution is the law of the land, and we swear allegiance to it. Not to Donald Trump, Pam Bondi or any other person. Rule number 2 is that we have three [B]coequal[/B] branches of government. That means that you don't get to ignore court rulings and stays because you don't like them or find them inconvenient. The man said we can't do business anymore, and he's right. Again, one reason he's right is because Americans are no longer are agreeing upon and following the rules that made this nation history's greatest democracy. If we can't agree upon the most basic of the sacred rules for governing the republic, then it's going to flounder and fail. I have seen the enemy, and it is us.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026154]Here is what I know. Most people who come here illegally seeking asylum are lying. Not all but not most.[/QUOTE]I obviously meant "not all but most".

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026154]One of the absolute worst things that the Biden administration did was the way they handled illegal immigration. The way they handled it made no sense, and I couldn't figure out the strategy. Here is what I know. Most people who come here illegally seeking asylum are lying. Not all but not most. They will say that they seek to escape gangs and violence and all that sort of thing. But for most, that's not the real reason. The real reason they come is as economic migrants and / or to reunite with family members who are already living in the States, many of them illegally as well. And I think the truth is that we really do need for people to come. This is a nation of immigrants. We need people to pick our fruits and vegetables, to build new homes, etc. But they need to come here legally. And if they don't, then they have no right to remain here or to be treated as citizens, which they are not. No nation should be letting just anyone and everyone enter its borders, get away with making false asylum claims, be entitled to generous public assistance, etc. I wish we had something like the European Union. The "North American Union", with the dollar as the common currency, that would allow people to move more freely back and forth to work. People want to work. We need the labor. And it could break the crooked coyotes from exploiting people so much. But regardless of whatever system is in place, if you come here illegally, then you got to go! That said, I do believe there does need to be some level of due process..[/QUOTE]The strategy was the inflow of immigration, both documented and undocumented, was a key factor in the overwhelming success of Biden's economic recovery from the ravages of Trump's Pandemic vs damn near everywhere else on the planet that did the opposite of it.

We have already seen the reports of studies proving the strategy is good for an economy in general anyway, kept Trump's Pandemic's inflation lower than it would have been otherwise, increased the number of jobs being created and all while reducing the crime rate that had skyrocketed under Trump.

BTW, when lying Trump and other MAGA liars twist that "increased the number of jobs being created" part into one of their favorite lies that it only created jobs for illegal immigrants, here is the part they are too dumb to figure out; the low cost labor provided by illegal immigrants frees up more money in the given industry to hire more skilled labor from USA Citizens and pay higher wages for that work. That is why and how USA Citizen job applicants greatly benefited during Biden's historic economic recovery from the horrible mess of everything Trump left behind and handed him and Harris to fix.

Indeed, one of the top 2-3 factors cited by credible economists for how and why jobs creation for everyone is likely to falter if not contribute significantly to plunging us into a serious Recession under Trump is his "close the borders" agenda on immigration. That is very bad for the USA economy and always has been.

And I'm sure you can see the problem with your other point is a civil society of laws cannot operate on the mere assumption that we "know" a border-crosser is lying when they claim a need for asylum and turn them away on that basis. Not if you want to obey the law as set forth in the USA Constitution, that is. We have to afford them Due Process to determine whether they are lying or not. Which takes time. Longer time since Trump decimated the system before Biden took over than was required prior.

My god, how will Trump, Fux News, Bretbart, Newsmax and all the other lying MAGA liars spin and twist this one like a pretzel?

LOL. It'll be fun to watch them try. Maybe we'll get a preview of how they'll try to do it from the MAGAs here.

[B]Charlie Kirk Suspects Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA.
Sept. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-suspect-grandma-says-203008756.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Tyler Robinson, 22, the man arrested in connection with the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, comes from a MAGA family, his grandmother has revealed.

Although MAGA figureheads have been quick to point fingers at the left for Kirks death, Tylers grandmother, Debbie Robinson, 69, insisted that they come from a family of Trump supporters.

She spoke with the Daily Mail on Friday after news of Robinsons arrest broke. My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump, Debbie told the outlet. Most of my family members are Republican. [B]I dont know any single one whos a Democrat.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026156]I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it![/QUOTE]All Ram was saying is that people put economics above everything including murder. That is his point. It meant nothing about actual murder, but because you and the other Democratic are literally encourage murdering, you turned it on him and tried to say he and Republicans are the ones who want murder.

No, you want Trump dead, his followers dead, and you are happy Kirk is dead.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026167]This sound much like you're really trying to best and one-up, MDS1 on the victimhood![/QUOTE]Sounds like? Let me be clear then. You are an asshole for encouraging murder!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026167]It will be interesting to see if he can still pull the "victimhood card", on the Epstein Sex Pedo Birthday Book, his signature on a degrading card (he denies) and why there's a section on kids/children, in a grown man's "birthday book"? [/QUOTE]Great, if you kill Trump, you are justified. He is a pedophile.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026167]Sounds like you're making a MAGA confession, to wanting to incite more violence?[/QUOTE]And here we go again with another Democratic move, accusing others of what you are doing. It is amazing to me you have not been banned from the site for your violent rhetoric.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026155]In the interest of intellectual honesty, and to walk the talk, I'm going to clarify this. I saw a clip on the news that did not include Kirk's full statement (unfortunately the news outlets do this a lot creating a false or misleading impression). I did some research, and Kirk's full statement essentially was that he did not believe that reparations should be paid to African Americans living today because nothing bad has happened to them, unlike their ancestors who indeed did have something bad happen to them. That's the essence of what he said, which I still find to be intellectually dishonest. Plenty of bad things still happen to black people today precisely because of their race (example, far more likely to be subjected to excessive police brutality). There may be no more slavery, but rest assured racism and colorism are alive and well. Again, I agree with him that reparations should not be paid, but for totally different reasons I won't go into as that's getting off the main discussion now. I'll leave it like this. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the greatest president of them all, had it right. He thought that blacks should be repatriated to Africa. Not because he was a racist. But because he believed black people would never be able to forgive white people for what they had done (there needs to be a recognition in the first place that something very wrong was done in order to realize a need for forgiveness). And second, he believed that white people would never fully let go of their racism. This country has come forward a really, really long way. But we still struggle to be a more perfect union. To be the [B]United[/B] States of America. The great American experiment is in crisis, and I'm scared. I'm scared that we're moving backwards. Leaders on either side aren't leading. The divide is getting too wide. And a divided house collapses in on itself and falls.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43970903[/URL]

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/retarded-or-evil-leftist-arguments-justifying-murder-charlie-kirk[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/12/friend-of-alleged-kirk-assassin-described-tyler-robinson-as-pretty-left-on-everything/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/09/12/bella-ciao-inscription-on-kirk-assassins-ammo-references-song-idolized-among-antifa[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/11/threat-to-kill-all-charlie-kirks-spray-painted-on-seattle-college-campus/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/09/11/marlow-demons-running-the-american-left-and-they-want-us-dead/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959588]Yes I love White men, My father is a white man, my sons are, my brothers are, my uncles are, my nephews are, my cousins are, my neighbors are, my friends are, my employees are, my grandfathers are, my great grandfathers are, my great great grandfathers are and on and on.

Why do you hate your own people?

Your name here is Tiny, that usually is a nickname for someone morbidly obese.

Is that why you love slave labor so much, you are too pathetically overweight and pathetically lazy to get off your ass and work yourself?[/QUOTE]The question is not whether white men are worthy of love. Of course they are, but that's not the question. The question is whether all the [B]things[/B] white men have done are worthy of love. And the answer is an unqualified no. But guess what? The same is true for men of all other races, creeds, and colors. Until a man is prepared to acknowledge everything, [B]both the good and the bad[/B], then there can be no landing upon common ground and the societal progress that comes with that. And that's not a good outcome for any nation claiming to be striving for a more perfect union.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026232]This is correct about the Constitution and how it has been interpreted by the courts with respect to immigrant rights. Thus, the need for due process as I said. That means that you don't get to just send someone off to El Salvador (or to South Sudan or wherever) because you don't like them being here. We need to follow the rules. And rule number 1 is that the Constitution is the law of the land, and we swear allegiance to it. Not to Donald Trump, Pam Bondi or any other person. Rule number 2 is that we have three [B]coequal[/B] branches of government. That means that you don't get to ignore court rulings and stays because you don't like them or find them inconvenient. The man said we can't do business anymore, and he's right. Again, one reason he's right is because Americans are no longer are agreeing upon and following the rules that made this nation history's greatest democracy. If we can't agree upon the most basic of the sacred rules for governing the republic, then it's going to flounder and fail. I have seen the enemy, and it is us.[/QUOTE]Should always follow the constitution, except in times of imminent danger. Some people argue the migrant invasion does classify as imminent danger. I personally don't believe so. I am sure Trump is using some kind of loop hole to remove migrants with out giving them a court date. Honestly, when 20 million people invade your country and a signifiicant percentage of them are drug cartel members and your nation is hooked on deadly drugs like fentanyl, I don't have any problem at all with him using a loop whole to kick out immigrants who break the law or take advantage of the system. Should American tax payers pay for all those court hearings? Fuck no! I think he should allow any immigrant who is working and living a respectable life to remain, just don't allow them to vote. If they have children here and they are here for at least 7-10 years before they turn 18, then they get the right to vote. Thats about the time it takes to learn and respect a societies culture. Border has got to be secured at all costs.

What does the constitution say about Presidents who open up the border to anyone and even fly in tens of thousands by plane and pay for their hotels at tax payer expense? Is that constitutional?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026186]Lololololol, your so over the top its hysterical. ...

I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life. Thank you for inspiration my brother lolololol.[/QUOTE] [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] Like who here on ISG, didn't know you that about you, for years, being a [i][b]"die hard Trump for life"?[/b][/i] You ONLY now realize who your are? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

But yes,...confession is good for the soul, brother!

Dude, that would be very generous of you and [b]I'm flattered [u]you think,[/u][/b] it took my group debates about political violence, by QAnon/MAGA/Repubs on the far-right, to radicalize and finally push you over-the-top to team Trump/MAGA. But REALLY...I think you're giving me wayyyyyyy too much credit!

Besides, it seems very much out of character for you? Giving me, this much [i][b]power over you?[/b][/i]

Especially, since I feel I've [u]yet[/u] to REALLY earn it? But hey since you've indicated [i]"...you love my posts...",[/i] I look forward to more debates, where I can truly earn "my keep" (so to speak).

In the meantime, I suggest [u]you continue[/u] to look to your MAGA Fuhrer, for inspiration. Check the following for example:[LIST][b]The MAGA Fuhrer's Epstein Pedo Sex Files (EPSF) Cover Up:[/b] The Epstein Birthday Book Is Even Worse Than You Might Realize: Reading the two-hundred-and-thirty-eight-page document from start to finish is like examining a crudely illustrated contract with the devil. [url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-epstein-birthday-book-is-even-worse-than-you-might-realize[/url][/LIST][LIST][b]The MAGA Fuhrer's shameful weaponization of Kirk's Death: [/b] Trump's Dangerous Response to the Kirk Assassination. [url]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/url][/LIST][LIST][b]Trump calls his MAGA/Repub suckers (ie. supporters) [i]"stupid", "foolish""[/i][/b] and just [i][b]"weaklings":[/b][/i] Trump calls his supporters 'stupid' and 'foolish' for demanding Epstein files: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7LW5rZ6Jkw[/url][/LIST]Three (3) excellent recent examples (IMHO), from your MAGA Fuhrer, depicting why you don't really need my help, becoming "MAGA radicalized".

BTW, it would be my pleasure to provide more examples from your MAGA Fuhrer, if you're still unsure where it is, your "extremism" and "radicalized" tendencies originate.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026186]I have to be very careful what I write or admin will not post. Funny how you can clearly say what ever you want and it gets posted hahaha. I love ISG![/QUOTE]
Vicitimhood, doesn't become or suit you, either! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026276][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] Like who here on ISG, didn't know you that about you, for years, being a [i][b]"die hard Trump for life"?[/b][/i] You ONLY now realize who your are? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

But yes,...confession is good for the soul, brother!

Dude, that would be very generous of you and [b]I'm flattered [u]you think,[/u][/b] it took my group debates about political violence, by QAnon/MAGA/Repubs on the far-right, to radicalize and finally push you over-the-top to team Trump/MAGA. But REALLY...I think you're giving me wayyyyyyy too much credit!

Besides, it seems very much out of character for you? Giving me, this much [i][b]power over you?[/b][/i]

Especially, since I feel I've [u]yet[/u] to REALLY earn it? But hey since you've indicated [i]"...you love my posts...",[/i] I look forward to more debates, where I can truly earn "my keep" (so to speak).

In the meantime, I suggest [u]you continue[/u] to look to your MAGA Fuhrer, for inspiration. Check the following for example:[/I][/QUOTE]LOL, Just please keep posting with your best thoughts. LOLOLOLOL You will push so many people to the right with your extreme views and I don't even know what to call it. You will laugh at and rejoice and mock the deaths of people who die from Liberal open border policies? That is the type of guy you are. That is very extreme brother Spidy LOL. A lot of hate you have to go that far.

I would not be surprised if you ended up being a paid professional troll to post infammatory liberal policies to drive people to MAGA HEAVEN. Or you really have so much hate and anger in your heart that you will use the death of some ones good friend to hurt them because their politics are not the same as yours. If you really believe these things, you harbor the same type of hate and anger and bitterness that Kirk's shooter did. The guy was a quiet sad insignificant dude. Usually anger bitter people who troll all day are. Usually they are pathetic in real life. I am not saying you are, oh no. I am just saying that Kirk's assassin was pathetic and you seem to have the same type of anger that he does. I am sure your a real winner in real life. I sincerely mean that my good friend.

Oh and by the way, I checked your post history. For months now, you have only posted in the American politics forum and not one trip report. You really come here just to post in this forum? You don't do any traveling? Hmmmmmmm, that is a little weird. Again I have to be careful what I write, but I think anyone who reads this will understand what type of person you are lololol.

One thing that I know for sure. I think if we had a face to face debate, I don't think you would not speak badly of my dead friend. I just think in person you would see me and be more respectful. You seem like a guy who would be nicer in person lolololol.

At least one well-put view: [URL]https://youtu.be/BxH-rGWry70?si=xZ8qaghF6h-UTDw4[/URL].

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026186]Lololololol, your so over the top its hysterical. Please Please Please keep posting so people can clearly see what your about. I love your posts my man hahahahah!

I have to be very careful what I write or admin will not post. Funny how you can clearly say what ever you want and it gets posted hahaha. I love ISG!

I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life. Thank you for inspiration my brother lolololol.[/QUOTE]They don't want open dialogue, they hate the truth, that's why see. Kirk was murdered in cold blood right in front of his young children.

We have to try to debate with both hands tied behind our backs and duct tape over our mouths.

If your post isn't blocked hopefully you will learn to water down your opinions with self censorship, get with the program already BRO.

"I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life".

Ye Sir I used to be a liberal, they made me hard core MAGA I really hate them. Many thanks from me too.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3026263]The question is not whether white men are worthy of love. Of course they are, but that's not the question. The question is whether all the [B]things[/B] white men have done are worthy of love. And the answer is an unqualified no. But guess what? The same is true for men of all other races, creeds, and colors. Until a man is prepared to acknowledge everything, [B]both the good and the bad[/B], then there can be no landing upon common ground and the societal progress that comes with that. And that's not a good outcome for any nation claiming to be striving for a more perfect union.[/QUOTE]On the other hand, WOW how creepy you must of read back several hundred posts to get back to it almost a year ago.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026311]On the other hand, WOW how creepy you must of read back several hundred posts to get back to it almost a year ago.[/QUOTE]For the record I didn't read back several hundreds of posts. No need to do that if you know what you're looking for. Literally took only a few minutes. And once again, instead of commenting on the merits, you would prefer to engage in petty juvenile attacks. Well, you going to have to find someone else to play with.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026239]My god, how will Trump, Fux News, Bretbart, Newsmax and all the other lying MAGA liars spin and twist this one like a pretzel?

LOL. It'll be fun to watch them try. Maybe we'll get a preview of how they'll try to do it from the MAGAs here.

[B]Charlie Kirk Suspects Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA.
Sept. 13, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-suspect-grandma-says-203008756.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Everyonebut the monster.

Yes they are good God fearing MAGA Patriots that's why "its" own father turned him in.

If they were Democrats I'm guessing they would of paid you to let "it" stay with you indefinitely.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/12/friend-of-alleged-kirk-assassin-described-tyler-robinson-as-pretty-left-on-everything/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026186]Lololololol, your so over the top its hysterical. Please Please Please keep posting so people can clearly see what your about. I love your posts my man hahahahah!

I have to be very careful what I write or admin will not post. Funny how you can clearly say what ever you want and it gets posted hahaha. I love ISG!

I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life. Thank you for inspiration my brother lolololol.[/QUOTE]Moments into a Friday morning news conference announcing the apprehension of a suspect in Charlie Kirk's killing, the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, began to read aloud the phrases reportedly engraved on the assassin's bullet casings:

"Notices bulges OWO what's this?

"Hey fascist! Catch!

"Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao. ".

"If you read this you are gay lmao. ".

These cryptic words were read tentatively by Mr. Cox, who seemed to have little idea of their meaning and provided no further context. The governor also relayed how the suspect, Tyler Robinson, 22, communicated his actions to friends on the Discord group chat platform. One relative, Mr. Cox said, described Mr. Robinson as "full of hate. ".

The only thing that can be said conclusively about Mr. Robinson, at this moment, is that he was a chronically online, white American male.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026280]LOL, Just please keep posting with your best thoughts. LOLOLOLOL [/QUOTE]Thanks! Glad you like my posts and I always have posted my best and will continue to do so!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026280]Or you really have so much hate and anger in your heart that you will use the death of some ones good friend to hurt them because their politics are not the same as yours.[/QUOTE]First and foremost, this is a debate forum! Specifically an American political debate forum!

When [B]YOU[/B] drag your dead drugged up friend, into a political debate as political cannon fodder (to garner sympathy, that is on YOU! And then talk about your Fuhrer's right to commit murder / violence with impunity, as long as it puts money in "peoples pocket", you will get blow-back, on your apparent cognitive dissonance.

So what. It's humanity for a dead fentanyl user, but none for the person (s) killed by your MAGA Fuhrer, in your morbid WH lawn scenario?

[U]Stochastic Terrorism:[/U]

As the article in The Atlantic ([URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/URL]), points out, that even before the suspect was caught, your Fuhrer's rhetoric and stochastic terrorism, assumes that a left-wing activist had murdered Kirk. Yet conveniently and callously, forgetting the recent (June 2025) political murders and death of Melissa Hort (the 61st Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives) and her husband [I][b]in their private home[/b] (no less).[/I] Yet very little, in the way of condemnation, from Trump w / are to the right-wing nutjobs, that committed the murder.

Again, this is what your Fuhrer does. The so called leader of the country, continues to use right-wing rhetoric to weaponize and divide the country, instead of unifying speech to unite the country, in times of turmoil like these.

[U]The MAGA Fuhrer's End Game:[/U]

But it's a shame and rather unfortunate, that you MAGA supporters don't get your MAGA Fuhrer's dangerous schtick and realize it's all [I][b]just political subterfuge, a ruse, sham, con game[/b] and [b]grift[/b][/I] to divert your attention from his criminal behaviour (past, present & future), [U]while he continues to pick your pockets.[/U].

[B]Democracy Now! New Yorker Mag Reveals Trump Family's Frenzy to Cash In on the White House,[/B]
[LIST][i]"...Donald Trump and his immediate family have [b]made $3.4 billion from his time in the White House,[/b] including more than $2.3 billion from various cryptocurrency ventures alone".

"What really surprised me about all this is [b]just how fast[/b] they’re making this money. They seem to turn down no opportunity," says Kirkpatrick. "It really sharpens the question of what a buyer, so to speak, might be getting for that."

"In March, Forbes estimated that Trump’s net worth had more than doubled over a year to $5 billion. [u]And a few months later[/u], The New York Times estimated [b]Trump’s wealth had grown to $10 billion.[/b] But these estimates and others did not attempt to look at how exactly his fortune is growing."[/i], August 20th, 2025. [url]https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/20/trump_profit [/url] OR the video [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpNe45_-XWY[/url][/LIST]
Before long, the country, from the stochastic terrorism, pickpocketing, gutting of key institutions and farmers around the country, may more than likely result in, something else your Fuhrer, just simply [I]"...turns to shit!"[/I]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3026310] I used to be a liberal, they made me hard core MAGA I really hate them. [/QUOTE]Traditional liberalism cannot exist in the current power structure of the woke totalitarian Democrat party. Fetterman survives, but for how long. I am pretty sure he will be challenged by a woke radical in his next primary as was Lieberman in his day before he was forced to leave the party to stay in office. Manchin is another example of the dying breed: a liberal democrat. As corporate America is learning go woke, go broke, the Democrat party will have to learn go woke, lose national elections.

In response to the revelation that Charlie Kirk's killer is a product of Repub MAGA Wingers in a Repub MAGA Family in a Repub MAGA Town in a Repub MAGA Red State, the most divisive, dumbest, worst so-called president in history speaks to the nation he and his Repub MAGAs are trying to destroy! Again.

[B]Trump says he wants national healing while blaming 'radical left' as a barrier.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/13/trump-charlie-kirk-radical-left.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON President Donald Trump said he hopes the nation will heal following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, though he suggested in an exclusive interview Saturday with NBC News that a radical left contingent in the country stands as a barrier to reconciliation.

Id like to see it the nation heal, the president said in a brief telephone interview. But were dealing with a radical left group of lunatics, and they dont play fair and they never did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026330]Everyonebut the monster.

Yes they are good God fearing MAGA Patriots that's why "its" own father turned him in.

If they were Democrats I'm guessing they would of paid you to let "it" stay with you indefinitely.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/12/friend-of-alleged-kirk-assassin-described-tyler-robinson-as-pretty-left-on-everything/[/URL][/QUOTE]He is the product of a 100% MAGA environment; Family, Town, State, Schools, World. All MAGA. His MAGA Granny knows him and her entire MAGA Family from birth to today better than his friends.

I thought MAGA Famlies, Schools, Mayors and Governors magically prevented their constituents and everyone who shared the same air from becoming murderers.

Thanks is in order once again for your lovely post. Lololol. I love how you always refer to Trump as the Fuhrer LOL. Proves my point from earlier.

I also love how we keep having this discussion on my friends death from Biden's open border policy. Yes, I revealed that my very good friend died from fentanyl because some one had asked me how has the open border personally affected me. It was not to garner sympathy. I don't know why would even come to that conclusion. Only some one who can't think straight and can't remove their bias from their better judgement would think that. 50,000 people a year die from Fentanyl in USA. Biden opened the border. My personal experience shaped my views on this policy. Simple as that. Argue the policy all you want, only a sad angry person would really get bitter and think I am telling that story to get some sympathy. You called me friend drugged up and mocked him for his weakness also. I ll elaborate on that for context as I originally did when I shared this experience with the forum. He was weak, and he did struggle with addiction, and it wasn't the fentanyl that ultimately killed him, it was inability to quit using drugs. He was ill. If it wasn't the fentanyl, ultimately it was going to be something else. The fentanyl did make it easier though. As you state, this is a political forum and we are here to debate politics. How does rubbing in my face the death of my friend from Biden's open border policy prove any political argument you are trying to make? It doesn't, you are just an angry man who likes to hurt people who don't agree with your views. It a filthy move. I ll give you a similar scenario. You can go out to eat breakfast and you don't have to tip your waitress, but only an asshole would actually do that. Sure, you can use my friend's death because I revealed it on the forum, but only a sad angry bitter person would actually use it the way you would.

In regards to Trump and murdering some one on the White House lawn. Everyone has read this multiple times and everyone understand the point I was making, even you. Yet you still twist my words on it like a total weirdo and refuse to acknowledge what I meant it intended to be. You look so weird sticking to trying to twist my words on that LOL. Even other members are posting on this nonsense LOL. Again, that is something that trolls do. The only time they can feel happiness is hurting and deceiving others. It clearly shows who you are as a person. It shows this forum what your really about. This is why I love that you keep posting LOL. People read this back and forth between me and you and they say to themselves, nah I don't want to be part of a group of people who cheer people dying just because they don't agree with me. You are a great ally to the MAGA HEAVEN cause. People read this and then they know not to take your posts serious and not to be put any weight on anything you write. You have no power here. So again, love your posts my brother LOL. Please keep up the good fight by strengthening MAGA HEAVEN.

In regards to political violence. I condemn it all sides and all acts of political violence should be reported and spoken out against. I will say the more I read about Charlie Kirk the more I understand why people didn't like him. He had some silly views. He was against Juneteenth. Who gives a fuck if USA has a Juneteenth holiday. But he said nothing which justifies celebrating his death and he is still a hero to many. If Trump didn't acknowledge an act of political violence then he wrong. No other way to look at it for me. Sorry the representative was killed. It is a a true sin to kill some one over politics.

In regards to Trump's supporters not realizing his schemes. They do get it. Everyone knows Trump is a bit of an asshole and he can be shady. This is modern politics and he is fighting fire with fire. How many fake impeachments did he have? Fake Russia hoax? Fake Russia pee scandal? The list could go on. The problem Trump supporters face is, Democrats did such a horrific job under a delusional Biden. My god that was so embarrassing to see him as President. What insane policies this guy had. So, the Democrats forced us to turn to a guy like Trump because hes the only one willing to step into the fire and take the heat and speak on our behalf. And its a lot of heat he takes. Personally, I would prefer a more traditional President, but that wasn't an option for 2024.

I am being very real now. You did take some time to explain your views which I appreciate. Your not a troll 100% of the time so I'll throw you a bone. If your going to site a source, don't use the Atlantic or any source which is clearly biased. It pushes the people you want to convince away from your point. It would be like me citing Alex Jones to prove a point on the border policy. As soon as people see Alex Jones, they turn away because they know he is clearly biased. Pick a neutral website to cite your arguments.

One need go no further than this to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Charlie Kirk's killer was born, raised, indoctrinated, bred and groomed to be 100% pure Repub MAGA than this revelation below.

Only Repub MAGAs are this obsessed with trannies. Hell, I live in Bangkok Thailand and nobody here talks about, focuses on, looks for, dreams and obsesses about trannies more than American Repub MAGAs!

Just look at all the "woke'-obsessed posts from Repub MAGAs in this forum!

[B]Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans.
I investigate the evidence confirming that Tyler Robinson's room mate, who authorities believe was actually his romantic partner, is trans.
Sept. 14, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.ngocomment.com/p/unmasking-luna-charlie-kirk-assassin[/URL]

[B]Bizarre video of Rudy Giuliani dressed in drag while being seduced by Donald Trump resurfaces.
'Oh, you dirty boy, you!, the mayor exclaims and slaps Mr Trump in the face,' says former New York mayor's alter-ego.
May 10, 2018[/B]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rudy-guiliani-donald-trump-drag-video-seduce-new-york-mayor-us-president-a8344921.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026338]Thanks! Glad you like my posts and I always have posted my best and will continue to do so!

First and foremost, this is a debate forum! Specifically an American political debate forum!

When [B]YOU[/B] drag your dead drugged up friend, into a political debate as political cannon fodder (to garner sympathy, that is on YOU! And then talk about your Fuhrer's right to commit murder / violence with impunity, as long as it puts money in "peoples pocket", you will get blow-back, on your apparent cognitive dissonance.

So what. It's humanity for a dead fentanyl user, but none for the person (s) killed by your MAGA Fuhrer, in your morbid WH lawn scenario?

[U]Stochastic Terrorism:[/U]

As the article in The Atlantic ([URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/URL]), points out, that even before the suspect was caught, your Fuhrer's rhetoric and stochastic terrorism, assumes that a left-wing activist had murdered Kirk. Yet conveniently and callously, forgetting the recent (June 2025) political murders and death of Melissa Hort (the 61st Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives) and her husband [I][b]in their private home[/b] (no less).[/I] Yet very little, in the way of condemnation, from Trump w / are to the right-wing nutjobs, that committed the murder.

Again, this is what your Fuhrer does. The so called leader of the country, continues to use right-wing rhetoric to weaponize and divide the country, instead of unifying speech to unite the country, in times of turmoil like these.
[/QUOTE]Here is the link to Trump's Response. Let people watch it and make up their own minds vs a highly biased Article from the Atlantic which you can't even read unless you have a subscription to the Atlantic. SMH.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty1aDcnf5as[/URL]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Trump's response. If a hate crime murder by white supremacists occurred during Obama admin and he criticized far right extremists for it, he would be 100% justified.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g25ihkEfng[/URL]

Interesting. Watch and make up your own mind.

A simple question to lefties: do you think the political point of view expressed in the following video is racist? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UqtcXgC3E[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1:3026311]On the other hand, WOW how creepy you must of read back several hundred posts to get back to it almost a year ago. [/QUOTE]Creepy? I think not!

What you call "creepy". Others would simply call it, just good sound investigative journalism, good detective work and an efficient use of the many "ISG SEARCH" functions presented to help ISG users aid, find, suss out and hold members accountable, to the dis / misinformation, truths, hypocrisy and or lies, that are propagated on these here forums.

Yeah dude,. Just good investigative journalism, is what The Cane, posted!

If you want "creepy", look no further then the dude with the red MAGA cap sitting in the WH, for a better definition of "creepy"! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson;3026280]Oh and by the way, I checked your post history. For months now, you have only posted in the American politics forum and not one trip report. You really come here just to post in this forum? You don't do any traveling? Hmmmmmmm, that is a little weird. [/QUOTE]Yeah, you got me! You're as sharp as a tack and can't put anything past you.

But do keep up those "keen detective" skills of yours and plow that same effort into your political discussions and I'm sure we'll have many interesting things to debate?

[U]ISG is rated "E", for Everyone's Contributions:[/U]

I noted you recently professed that you "love ISG". Which is all good BTW. So if that true, you'd know, [I][b]there are many ways to contribute to ISG,[/b][/I] in order to show one's "love" and "passion" of ISG. Right?

Ergo. So long story short, you contribute in your way, and I'll contribute in mine!

That said, I'm an ISGer, that doesn't care whether ISG members have been on ISG for 20 min. Or 20 yrs, just so long as they contribute what they want [U][b]and[/b] they feel comfortable and welcomed doing so.[/U].

[U]So let's not turn this into a pissing contest...right?:[/U]

But if you are looking to turn this into a pissing contest, there are two (2) things, to consider and keep-in-mind:
[LIST]First, I know today, we all live in a [i][b]"what have you done for me lately world",[/b][/i] so you definitely got me on that front, with regards to new travel contributions.[/LIST][LIST]But second, keep-in-mind, some of us long-time OG ISG cats/members (before it was even ISG), [i][b]have been contributing for over 25, +30 years.[/b][/i]

N'cest pas, mon amie?[/LIST]
Anywho, just wanted to say "thanks" and I appreciating you updating me on my travel plans. But I'm [B]not[/B] currently auditioning or in the market for a travel agent. However, your concerns are duly noted!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026387]In response to the revelation that Charlie Kirk's killer is a product of Repub MAGA Wingers in a Repub MAGA Family in a Repub MAGA Town in a Repub MAGA Red State, the most divisive, dumbest, worst so-called president in history speaks to the nation he and his Repub MAGAs are trying to destroy! Again.

[B]Trump says he wants national healing while blaming 'radical left' as a barrier.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/13/trump-charlie-kirk-radical-left.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]No surprise, as he continues to talk out of both sides of his mouth.

The right-wing have always had difficulties wrestling and coming to grips, with their sordid past and the vast majority of an asymmetric history of political violence in America.

While a recent report details, that political violence maybe rare in America, the data again clearly states, that outside of the 9/11 attack, the majority of political violence is perpetrated by [B]right-wing extremists[/B].

[B]Politically Motivated Violence Is Rare in the United States, [/B]Sept 11,2025.
[LIST][i]"A total of 3,599 people have been murdered in politically motivated terrorist attacks in the United States from January 1, 1975, through September 10, 2025."

Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for [b]391 murders[/b] and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies."

Left-wing terrorists murdered [b]65 people[/b], or about 2 percent of the total."[/i] [url]https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states[/url][/LIST]
The data bear out, that the MAGA Fuhrer, is once again spreading lies and falsehoods, when it come to who is committing the majority of the political violence.

The asymmetric data strongly supports and shows, that [I][b]right-wingers are indeed committing the vast majority of political violence,[/b]/[/I] from the last five years and by long-term data when the outlier of 9/11 is excluded.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026426][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g25ihkEfng[/URL]
Interesting. Watch and make up your own mind.[/QUOTE]The funniest moment was after Cox goes on and on about how Social Media "hacks into our minds" and drives the urge to the violence that is behind all of these assassinations, they show a clip of Trump on Mainstream Media repeating the same vile, bithering, incoherent and totally unsubstantiated mob violence-inspiring lies about the "Radical Left" he sends out on his Social Media every day and Repub MAGA State Governor Cox suddenly turns into a purring little kitten about his lord and savior just feeling so sad about his young white male supporter right now. LOL.

Yes, Social Media is carrying messages of violence being the answer to the irrational hatred fostered by that same Social Media, when it carries the Trump / MAGA message. The same with Mainstream Media.

Regardless what personal or political changes occurred in Robinson, he was not influenced by anyone on the Left, Radical or not, to pick up a gun and go for a "2nd Amendment Remedy" for his grievances.

That came straight from Trump and his fellow MAGAs in and around Robinson's entire Repub MAGA upbringing and Repub MAGA environment, not from Oprah Winfry or Joe Biden:

[B]Trump Just The Latest On Hard Right To Call For 2nd Amendment Remedies.
Aug. 11, 2016[/B]

[URL]https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-second-amendment-people-context[/URL]

[QUOTE]Donald Trumps remark Tuesday that the Second Amendment people might take out a President Hillary Clinton to stop her from appointing liberal Supreme Court justices fits a now-familiar pattern: Trump takes an idea that has been simmering at the fringes of the hard right and shouts it from his platform as the GOP presidential nominee.
............
"If she gets to pick her judges, Trump said, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is.[/QUOTE]How's that for assassination-inspiring vicious and vile messaging to "hack into the minds" of Repub MAGAs and "influence" them to pick up a gun to satisfy their grievances?

Note the date of that article. He has been doing that since before his first term and one could argue was the reason Repub MAGAs voted for him in such high Repub MAGA Party numbers despite getting millions fewer votes than his Dem candidate opponent.

And we know how malleable and easily manipulated Repub MAGAs are to any written or spoken messaging anyway. Damn. They'll happily vote for one Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Historic Massive Repub Jobs Destruction after another, higher gas, food and housing prices, global economy-destroying Pandemics, you name it, just to "own the libs" after reading a bit of truth about themselves on a website like this one! Lolol.

Picking up a gun to apply the Repub MAGA-patented 2nd Amendment Remedy for everything that ails them is the norm for that Party.

Born and raised self-loathing suckers through and though. Which is why lifelong conman Trump ran as a Repub MAGA Party candidate in the first place.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026338]Thanks! Glad you like my posts and I always have posted my best and will continue to do so!

First and foremost, this is a debate forum! Specifically an American political debate forum!

When [B]YOU[/B] drag your dead drugged up friend, into a political debate as political cannon fodder (to garner sympathy, that is on YOU! And then talk about your Fuhrer's right to commit murder / violence with impunity, as long as it puts money in "peoples pocket", you will get blow-back, on your apparent cognitive dissonance.

So what. It's humanity for a dead fentanyl user, but none for the person (s) killed by your MAGA Fuhrer, in your morbid WH lawn scenario?

[U]Stochastic Terrorism:[/U]

As the article in The Atlantic ([URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/URL]), points out, that even before the suspect was caught, your Fuhrer's rhetoric and stochastic terrorism, assumes that a left-wing activist had murdered Kirk. Yet conveniently and callously, forgetting the recent (June 2025) political murders and death of Melissa Hort (the 61st Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives) and her husband [I][b]in their private home[/b] (no less).[/I] Yet very little, in the way of condemnation, from Trump w / are to the right-wing nutjobs, that committed the murder.

Again, this is what your Fuhrer does. The so called leader of the country, continues to use right-wing rhetoric to weaponize and divide the country, instead of unifying speech to unite the country, in times of turmoil like these.[/QUOTE]Tampon Tim doesn't hire MAGA.

Boelter, who was appointed by Walz's in 2019 to serve on Governor's Workforce Development Board.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026378]Traditional liberalism cannot exist in the current power structure of the woke totalitarian Democrat party. Fetterman survives, but for how long. I am pretty sure he will be challenged by a woke radical in his next primary as was Lieberman in his day before he was forced to leave the party to stay in office. Manchin is another example of the dying breed: a liberal democrat. As corporate America is learning go woke, go broke, the Democrat party will have to learn go woke, lose national elections.[/QUOTE]Yes many Boards of Directors have learned hitching your financial future to the wagon of the likes of Kirks assassin is a losing business model.

I suspect if the owner of ISG would embrace "free speech" they would probably see their bottom line improve.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026421]One need go no further than this to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Charlie Kirk's killer was born, raised, indoctrinated, bred and groomed to be 100% pure Repub MAGA than this revelation below.

Only Repub MAGAs are this obsessed with trannies. Hell, I live in Bangkok Thailand and nobody here talks about, focuses on, looks for, dreams and obsesses about trannies more than American Repub MAGAs!

Just look at all the "woke'-obsessed posts from Repub MAGAs in this forum!

[B]Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans.
I investigate the evidence confirming that Tyler Robinson's room mate, who authorities believe was actually his romantic partner, is trans.
Sept. 14, 2025[/B][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html[/URL]

Look at "ITS" mugshot it represents the twisted average anti American White male (deranged) Harris voter!!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026509][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html[/URL]

Look at "ITS" mugshot it represents the twisted average anti American White male (deranged) Harris voter!![/QUOTE]As the product of Repub MAGA World since birth, Kirk's killer is more than likely a wannabe tranny himself.

At age 22 today, that means he has been influenced by quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Trump, his quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Red State Governor / s, the quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Congress, Repub MAGA City Mayors, Repub MAGA State, Repub MAGA schools and Repub MAGA family since at least age 13 to apply the Repub MAGA-recommended 2nd Amendment Remedy to solve all of his societal grievances and satisfy his political assassination urges.

There is no "lib" Dem counterpart to that Repub MAGA 2nd Amendment Remedy for political outcomes the Repub MAGAs don't like. No "leftist" equivalence of it.

Trump wholeheartedly encouraged his Repub MAGA Cultusts to consider applying that Remedy to any Democratic candidate who won a free and fair elections ever since weeks before Hillary Clinton trounced him in the popular vote by millions and millions of votes in 2016.

You have never heard a Dem president, Dem Congressman, Dem Mayor or Dem Governor suggest such a thing about a possible Repub MAGA election winner.

And neither has Tyler Robinson.

He wasn't indoctrinated into reaching for a 2nd Amendment gun to provide a Remedy to his grievances out of thin air from a university class at age 18, from watching Oprah Winfry on tv or hearing Joe Biden deliver a perfectly lucid and coherent speech in every complex detail and nuance about how he put together some of the most effective and positive bi-partisan economic recovery and national security legislation in USA History.

Robinson's murder of Charlie Kirk was the product of Repub MAGA and Trump influence. And lots of it. Period.

Boy oh boy, the topic of gas prices were all the rage in MAGA World before the election. Now, not so much.

Therefore, to update the MAGAs and anyone else here about the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline in the USA today, I am sorry to announce it is higher today than it was yesterday, higher both days than it was last month, higher than it was the day Trump took office, higher than on election day, in fact higher more often under Trump than it was under Biden going way back to October 2024, almost a year ago.

Even more shocking, since the price of gas was characterized by MAGAs for all of last year as the make or break factor in a happy and prosperous life, it was only one iddy-biddy penny lower last week than it was exactly last year under Biden, when MAGA's lives were being destroyed because of it. Lolol.

[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026489]The funniest moment was after Cox goes on and on about how Social Media "hacks into our minds" and drives the urge to the violence that is behind all of these assassinations, they show a clip of Trump on Mainstream Media repeating the same vile, bithering, incoherent and totally unsubstantiated mob violence-inspiring lies about the "Radical Left" he sends out on his Social Media every day and Repub MAGA State Governor Cox suddenly turns into a purring little kitten about his lord and savior just feeling so sad about his young white male supporter right now. LOL.

Yes, Social Media is carrying messages of violence being the answer to the irrational hatred fostered by that same Social Media, when it carries the Trump / MAGA message. The same with Mainstream Media.

Regardless what personal or political changes occurred in Robinson, he was not influenced by anyone on the Left, Radical or not, to pick up a gun and go for a "2nd Amendment Remedy" for his grievances.

That came straight from Trump and his fellow MAGAs in and around Robinson's entire Repub MAGA upbringing and Repub MAGA environment, not from Oprah Winfry or Joe Biden:

[B]Trump Just The Latest On Hard Right To Call For 2nd Amendment Remedies.
Aug. 11, 2016[/B]

[URL]https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-second-amendment-people-context[/URL]

How's that for assassination-inspiring vicious and vile messaging to "hack into the minds" of Repub MAGAs and "influence" them to pick up a gun to satisfy their grievances?

Note the date of that article. He has been doing that since before his first term and one could argue was the reason Repub MAGAs voted for him in such high Repub MAGA Party numbers despite getting millions fewer votes than his Dem candidate opponent.

And we know how malleable and easily manipulated Repub MAGAs are to any written or spoken messaging anyway. Damn. They'll happily vote for one Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Historic Massive Repub Jobs Destruction after another, higher gas, food and housing prices, global economy-destroying Pandemics, you name it, just to "own the libs" after reading a bit of truth about themselves on a website like this one! Lolol.

Picking up a gun to apply the Repub MAGA-patented 2nd Amendment Remedy for everything that ails them is the norm for that Party.

Born and raised self-loathing suckers through and though. Which is why lifelong conman Trump ran as a Repub MAGA Party candidate in the first place.[/QUOTE]Both the right and left are playing politics here. The right is trying to paint this as another left wing lunatic killing and this is typical of left wing politics. The left is playing the card, the right is only focusing on the politics of the shooter and refusing to acknowledge this sort of tragedy happens across the political spectrum. In a way, they are both right, but that should not be the narrative. The narrative should be condemnation of political violence irregardless of political party. Instead, we have the media machine doing everything they can to stir the pot at much as possible to get the most clicks and views and earn the most dollars and cents from both sides of the spectrum and the American public loves it whether they know it or not. They can't help follow this story all day. And the radical extremists, like you Tooms, play right into as well. You even trying to paint this like the guy was a conservative LOL. I don't think there is a single person who has read your posts who even takes the time to read what you write any more. I know I stopped reading your posts long ago, because they will always be so ridiculously biased.

Anyway, the Utah governor has a point. These alorythims and all the time we spend focusing on left / right politics and social media is not healthy. People need real life social interaction and less time on smart phones. I don't care so much about the shooter's politics, I am concerned Americans are killing Americans. People are killing people.

Spin that how you want Tooms, You know you can't help yourself. Some how you will work in Trump is a Nazi who actually fathered the shooter and had him kill Kirk to take the heat on off him for Epstein Island adventures. Have a ball with that one and make sure you swear to the end that I wrote that with total sincerity and not as a joke LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026466]Yeah, you got me! You're as sharp as a tack and can't put anything past you.

But do keep up those "keen detective" skills of yours and plow that same effort into your political discussions and I'm sure we'll have many interesting things to debate?

[U]ISG is rated "E", for Everyone's Contributions:[/U]

I noted you recently professed that you "love ISG". Which is all good BTW. So if that true, you'd know, [I][b]there are many ways to contribute to ISG,[/b][/I] in order to show one's "love" and "passion" of ISG. Right?
[/QUOTE]The guy who takes the dirtiest shots at people on this forum now wants to make sure its rated "E" for everyone and we all play nice because he got exposed as an angry bitter creeper troll who doesn't even post trip reports. Typical Bully, stand up to them and watch them melt. Been doing this and seeing this reaction a long time.

If you want to play nice in the sandbox Spidy why don't you apologize for constantly mocking my dead friend.

Sometimes I feel like the heartless posts I see on this forum and online are from people who have never experienced real love for something. Seems like some people never had a real friendship and don't understand how mocking the death of a good friend could really put a dagger in someone's heart. People spend too much time posting on forums and become disconnected from the real world and then post this heartless garbage online like its no big deal. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to lose a wink of sleep over it, just too many weirdo extreme posts.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026586]Robinson's murder of Charlie Kirk was the product of Repub MAGA and Trump influence. And lots of it. Period.[/QUOTE]So if someone would have successfully assassinated Trump, Kirk would be alive? You are still promoting hate, and you need to shut the fuck up! It is the hate that you, Spidy, MSNBC, and the NYT specialize in that killed Kirk, and you assholes never accept responsibility for anything.

Your latest moronic post is if you want gas prices down, kill Trump. Jesus, can you stop it? Are you so fucked in the head that you cannot see what your hateful rhetoric has led to?

We used to debate the issues but with you Democratic douches there is nothing to debate. Republicans are pure evil, and Democrats are angelic saints.

In your fucked up head, the only good Republican is a dead one, and you have been posting this shit FOR YEARS!

Quit demonizing half of America, you fucking loser!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026643]Both the right and left are playing politics here. The right is trying to paint this as another left wing lunatic killing and this is typical of left wing politics. The left is playing the card, the right is only focusing on the politics of the shooter and refusing to acknowledge this sort of tragedy happens across the political spectrum. In a way, they are both right, but that should not be the narrative. The narrative should be condemnation of political violence irregardless of political party. Instead, we have the media machine doing everything they can to stir the pot at much as possible to get the most clicks and views and earn the most dollars and cents from both sides of the spectrum and the American public loves it whether they know it or not. They can't help follow this story all day. And the radical extremists, like you Tooms, play right into as well. You even trying to paint this like the guy was a conservative LOL. I don't think there is a single person who has read your posts who even takes the time to read what you write any more. I know I stopped reading your posts long ago, because they will always be so ridiculously biased..[/QUOTE]Of course you and Tyler Robinson's Repub MAGA State Governor would want to "bothsides" the issue since, as Spidy pointed out and fully substantiated, Trump's Repub MAGA Winger side is responsible for more than 5 times the politically-motivated violence of the so-called Left.

No surprise since more than 9 years ago Repub MAGA Trump promoted the then already brewing Repub Party promotion of applying their "2nd Amendment Remedy" to "take care of" any election winner they don't like.

Which obviously extended into the 2020 election outcome even though many of the Repub MAGA cop-killers and wannabe political assassins did not get their guns past the metal detectors outside of the USA Capitol area, despite Trump's efforts to allow them to, and they had to resort to using other types of deadly weapons and blunt instruments. American flag poles, for example.

Tyler Robinson would have been exposed to and absorbing that Repub MAGA promotion and behavior in his family, town, state, schools and in all forms of media, wherever Trump and his fellow Repub MAGAS could get it carried to impressionable minds of any age.

Including Charlie Kirk, BTW.

Imagine if Joe Biden had said something like this about an actual deadly USA attack on a purported enemy.

Which he never did.

LOL. Now, if this is the kind of blithering blathering cognitively impaired "research" Trump applies to a simple War on Drugs or any other law and order endeavor, just think how blitheringly blatheringly cognitively impaired wrong he is about the wars his beloved Russia Russia Russia is waging against our allies freely, unfettered and unchallenged right under his orange nose:

[B]Stable Genius Claims 300 MILLION Died From Drugs.
I hope some of y'all made it. Scary![/B]

[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2025/09/stable-genius-claims-300-million-people[/URL]

[QUOTE]Marco Rubio stated that the U.S. will continue to destroy suspected drug vessels as it did in Venezuela, a move that has received bipartisan criticism. On Sunday, while speaking to reporters, Donald J. Trump attempted to justify that by [b]falsely claiming that 300 million people died from drugs last year. Big if true, considering about 340 million people are populating the U.S.[/b] We're all dead! But if true, that would explain Trump's abysmal job numbers.

The Guardian's Hugo Lowell asked Trump about the president of Venezuela calling it an illegal attack.

See video.

[b]"Whats illegal are the drugs that were on the boat, and the drugs that are being sent into our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs, thats whats illegal, Trump falsely said..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026666]So if someone would have successfully assassinated Trump, Kirk would be alive? You are still promoting hate, and you need to shut the fuck up! It is the hate that you, Spidy, MSNBC, and the NYT specialize in that killed Kirk, and you assholes never accept responsibility for anything.

Your latest moronic post is if you want gas prices down, kill Trump. Jesus, can you stop it? Are you so fucked in the head that you cannot see what your hateful rhetoric has led to?

We used to debate the issues but with you Democratic douches there is nothing to debate. Republicans are pure evil, and Democrats are angelic saints.

In your fucked up head, the only good Republican is a dead one, and you have been posting this shit FOR YEARS!

Quit demonizing half of America, you fucking loser![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/14/elon-musk-the-left-is-the-party-of-murder/amp/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/eric-trump-radicals-liberals/2025/09/15/id/1226510/[/URL]

I disagreed with Cane and the POS sent me a threatening message today, I asked the mod if that was allowed, no reply.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026666] In your fucked up head, the only good Republican is a dead one, and you have been posting this shit FOR YEARS! Quit demonizing half of America, you fucking loser![/QUOTE]No Elvis, I want these left-wing fanatics to keep posting their vile poison although not necessarily on the ISG. With every obscene internet post, they expose what they truly are. The Kirk political assassination and their disgusting, hateful defense of the indefensible shows the world their true nature. It astonishes me the degree to which idiots like Bob and far more famous radical members of the Democratic party are so tone deaf and unaware of how much ordinary, hardworking, non-political people are offended and outraged by their gross lack of human decency. Keep it up you Jacobins and the Republican party will own the White House for the next 50 years.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026666]So if someone would have successfully assassinated Trump, Kirk would be alive? You are still promoting hate, and you need to shut the fuck up! It is the hate that you, Spidy, MSNBC, and the NYT specialize in that killed Kirk, and you assholes never accept responsibility for anything.

Your latest moronic post is if you want gas prices down, kill Trump. Jesus, can you stop it? Are you so fucked in the head that you cannot see what your hateful rhetoric has led to?

We used to debate the issues but with you Democratic douches there is nothing to debate. Republicans are pure evil, and Democrats are angelic saints.

In your fucked up head, the only good Republican is a dead one, and you have been posting this shit FOR YEARS!

Quit demonizing half of America, you fucking loser![/QUOTE]Charlie Kirk was not killed by "Radical Left Ideology" or even "Repub MAGA Winger Ideology", despite you trying very hard to make a strong case for the latter here.

Robinson and his very likely even more "Radical Left" pre-op transgender boyfriend could have shouted "woke" pronouns and pleas to stop taunting trannies in Kirk's face for an hour and none of it would have killed him.

No, he was killed by a bullet from a gun picked up, loaded, aimed and fired by an impressionable young man who obviously was born and raised deep in a Repub MAGA environment that for at least the past 9 years promoted precisely such a "2nd Amendment Remedy" for whatever political or societal grievances bugged him.

Connect whatever dots you must in order to lay blame for it anywhere other than the perpetrator if that is your thing.

Who knows, maybe you can unearth some widely promoted Dem version of Trump / MAGA's "2nd Amendment Solution" out there the rest of us have forgotten, in which case then you can twist yourself into another pretzel trying to spin a "bothsider" conclusion about it. But I don't think you will unearth such a thing.

BTW, are you celebrating Robinson's very likely even more "Radical Left Ideology"-influenced pre-op transgender boyfriend for being so cooperative in helping the authorities piece together whatever they can or care about knowing regarding how Robinson got the gun he decided to use in his Trump / Repub MAGA "2nd Amendment Remedy"-promoted crime?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026666]So if someone would have successfully assassinated Trump, Kirk would be alive? You are still promoting hate, and you need to shut the fuck up! It is the hate that you, Spidy, MSNBC, and the NYT specialize in that killed Kirk, and you assholes never accept responsibility for anything.[/QUOTE]Once again, you just talk shit, and gish gallosh gibberish, just like your master and your MAGA Fuhrer, with no evidence of said claims.

FYI, The data bear out, that YOU and your MAGA Fuhrer, is once again spreading lies and falsehoods, when it comes to who is committing the majority of the political violence.
[LIST][i]"A total of 3,599 people have been murdered in politically motivated terrorist attacks in the United States from January 1, 1975, through September 10, 2025."

Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for [b]391 murders[/b] and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies."[/i] [url]https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states[/url][/LIST]
The evidence provided by EihToom ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=3026421&viewfull=1#post3026421[/URL]), for Kirk's shooting clearly shows you can, ADD 1 MORE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST to the LONG LIST of right-wing terrorists.

Where's your HARD evidence, besides the nonsense and gish gallop you parrot?

Remember when Elvis wondered how some of us would react if Trump cured Cancer?

Funny he should mention Cancer and Trump in the same sentence.

It turns out as thankful for the 2016 MAGA vote as Covid was, a million dead Americans later, Cancer no doubt is even more thankful for the 2024 MAGA vote:

[B]In the war on cancer, Team Trump decides to start waving the white flag.
American voters might not have realized that a Republican victory in 2024 would mean sweeping cuts to cancer research, but thats what theyre getting.
Sept. 16, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/war-cancer-team-trump-decides-start-waving-white-flag-rcna231434[/URL]

[QUOTE]Its against this backdrop that The New York Times reported that a half-century after Richard Nixon declared war on cancer, there have been a great many breakthroughs that have saved and extended lives. The incumbent Republican president, however, is effectively waving the white flag in this war. From the article:

[B]"In a matter of months, the Trump administration has canceled hundreds of millions of dollars in cancer-related research grants and contracts, arguing that they were part of politically driven D.E.I. initiatives, and suspended or delayed payments for hundreds of millions more. It is trying to sharply reduce the percentage of expenses that the government will cover for federally funded cancer-research labs. It has terminated hundreds of government employees who helped lead the countrys cancer-research system and ensured that new discoveries reached clinicians, cancer patients and the American public. And the presidents proposed budget for the next fiscal year calls for a more-than-37-percent cut to the National Cancer Institute the N.I.H. agency that leads most of the nations cancer research reducing it to $4.5 billion from $7.2 billion. Adjusting for inflation, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a comparably sized federal cancer-research budget."[/b]

In a companion piece, the articles author, Jonathan Mahler, noted that the timing of the retreat is especially cruel America is in the midst of one of its most productive periods in cancer-research history, he noted and even if a more sensible administration takes office after Trumps exit, it wont be possible to quickly reverse course.

[B]"The disruptions to existing projects and larger doubts about the governments commitment to funding future cancer research are already causing damage that may be very difficult to undo, potentially depleting the countrys supply of scientists and scientific innovation for decades to come, he concluded."[/b][/QUOTE]Hey, at least Repub MAGA Trump can now truthfully claim to have ended an actual war somewhere. Unfortunately, he ended it by handing Cancer a huge victory. Elvis, don't hold your breath waiting to find out how anyone would react if Trump cured Cancer. That is far, far, far away from what Trump has in mind for the fate of Cancer.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026685]No Elvis, I want these left-wing fanatics to keep posting their vile poison although not necessarily on the ISG. With every obscene internet post, they expose what they truly are. The Kirk political assassination and their disgusting, hateful defense of the indefensible shows the world their true nature. It astonishes me the degree to which idiots like Bob and far more famous radical members of the Democratic party are so tone deaf and unaware of how much ordinary, hardworking, non-political people are offended and outraged by their gross lack of human decency. Keep it up you Jacobins and the Republican party will own the White House for the next 50 years.[/QUOTE]Has somebody in this forum defended the cold-blooded "2nd Amendment Remedy" shooting and killing of Charlie Kirk?

If so, I must have missed it. Please quote the exact passages and statements supporting your accusation.

Thank you.

With the all the talk and dumbass identity politics, from the Fuhrer's MAGA suckers who are all talking about [NOPARSE]"...going woke is going broke[/NOPARSE], I'll definitely give them credit about one thing,[I][b]...American's are going broke, under a MAGA Fuhrer's shit-show Admin,[/b][/I] that is!

Whether you're a Dem or Repub, liberal or conservative, small business owner or farmer, the never ending grifting, con job and [I][b]"The Great American MAGA Swindle"[/b][/I], by the MAGA Fuhrer, is here to pickpocket and make broke hard working Americans.

The latest grifts in defiance of the USA Constitution's Emoluments Clauses:

[QUOTE] NYT: "Over the past few months, Mr. Witkoff (Trump’s Middle East envoy) and Sheikh Tahnoon had become both diplomatic allies and business partners, [b]testing the limits of ethics rules while enriching the president, his family and his inner circle,[/b]

At the heart of their relationship are two multi-billion-dollar deals. One involved a crypto company founded by the Witkoff and the Trump families that benefited both financially. The other involved a sale of valuable computer chips that benefited the Emirates economically.

While there is no evidence that one deal was explicitly offered in return for the other, the confluence of the two agreements is itself extraordinary. [b]Taken together, they blurred the lines between personal and government business and raised questions about whether U.S. interests were served.[/b] [url] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty.html [/URL][/QUOTE][B] The New Yorker: The NUMBER - How much is Trump pocketting off the presidency?[/B] and [B]New Yorker Mag Reveals Trump Family's Frenzy to Cash In on the White House,[/B] Aug 11th, 2025.

[URL]ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpNe45_-XWY[/URL] AND [URL]https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/20/trump_profit[/URL].

Meanwhile their MAGA Fuhrer, continues to enrich himself and his family (from a net worth of under a billion, to 5 billion and then 10 billion, in a few months), USA Farmers are going broke, under the economic tariffs strain, grifting and cons of his dumbass tariffs and shit-show admin policies.

[B]Farmers Are Struggling Under Donald Trump[/B], Sep 13,2025.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/farmers-are-struggling-under-donald-trump-2128104[/URL]

So while the MAGA suckers, continue to harp on about "the woke going broke", they fail to see it's hardworking (bi-partisan) Americans that are going broke, from a callous, fraudulent and criminal MAGA administration, [I][b]hell bent on prioritizing personal and political enrichment[/b][/I] through foreign deals, while critical domestic sectors like small business and agriculture suffer from policy choices that exacerbate financial hardships.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026670]Of course you and Tyler Robinson's Repub MAGA State Governor would want to "bothsides" the issue since, as Spidy pointed out and fully substantiated, Trump's Repub MAGA Winger side is responsible for more than 5 times the politically-motivated violence of the so-called Left.

No surprise since more than 9 years ago Repub MAGA Trump promoted the then already brewing Repub Party promotion of applying their "2nd Amendment Remedy" to "take care of" any election winner they don't like.

Which obviously extended into the 2020 election outcome even though many of the Repub MAGA cop-killers and wannabe political assassins did not get their guns past the metal detectors outside of the USA Capitol area, despite Trump's efforts to allow them to, and they had to resort to using other types of deadly weapons and blunt instruments. American flag poles, for example..[/QUOTE]I am not "bothsiding" the issue. I just don't want to see people kill each other over politics, especially Americans. I don't think that either side wants to openly condone killing, even though there are many people celebrating kirk's death. Just stating what I see. I did expose the playbook each side is running, in my opinion. That is just how I see it. You have been around longer than me, so I am sure you are quite aware of it as well.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026813]With the all the talk and dumbass identity politics, from the Fuhrer's MAGA suckers who are all talking about [NOPARSE]"...going woke is going broke[/NOPARSE], I'll definitely give them credit about one thing,[I][b]...American's are going broke, under a MAGA Fuhrer's shit-show Admin,[/b][/I] that is!

Whether you're a Dem or Repub, liberal or conservative, small business owner or farmer, the never ending grifting, con job and [I][b]"The Great American MAGA Swindle"[/b][/I], by the MAGA Fuhrer, is here to pickpocket and make broke hard working Americans.

The latest grifts in defiance of the USA Constitution's Emoluments Clauses:

[B] The New Yorker: The NUMBER - How much is Trump pocketting off the presidency?[/B] and [B]New Yorker Mag Reveals Trump Family's Frenzy to Cash In on the White House,[/B] Aug 11th, 2025.

[URL]ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpNe45_-XWY[/URL] AND [URL]https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/20/trump_profit[/URL].

Meanwhile their MAGA Fuhrer, continues to enrich himself and his family (from a net worth of under a billion, to 5 billion and then 10 billion, in a few months), USA Farmers are going broke, under the economic tariffs strain, grifting and cons of his dumbass tariffs and shit-show admin policies.

[B]Farmers Are Struggling Under Donald Trump[/B], Sep 13,2025.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/farmers-are-struggling-under-donald-trump-2128104[/URL]

So while the MAGA suckers, continue to harp on about "the woke going broke", they fail to see it's hardworking (bi-partisan) Americans that are going broke, from a callous, fraudulent and criminal MAGA administration, [I][b]hell bent on prioritizing personal and political enrichment[/b][/I] through foreign deals, while critical domestic sectors like small business and agriculture suffer from policy choices that exacerbate financial hardships.[/QUOTE]It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Inflation is under 3%, not great, but no where near the levels under Biden. Stock market is up. Real Estate prices remain high, not much selling, but that is going to reverse overnight once interest rates drop. It is not the booming economy of Trump 2016, but its not like anyone lost any money. If you followed the news, they would have you believe next great depression is coming. Fake news.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026828]It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Inflation is under 3%, not great, but no where near the levels under Biden. Stock market is up. Real Estate prices remain high, not much selling, but that is going to reverse overnight once interest rates drop. It is not the booming economy of Trump 2016, but its not like anyone lost any money. If you followed the news, they would have you believe next great depression is coming. Fake news.[/QUOTE]The market has cycles and it is extremely overpriced right now and way way overdue for a correction and Tokyo Rose et al will blame Our Lord and Savior of course.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026802]Has somebody in this forum defended the cold-blooded "2nd Amendment Remedy" shooting and killing of Charlie Kirk?

If so, I must have missed it. Please quote the exact passages and statements supporting your accusation.

Thank you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/09/the-aberrant-killed-the-normal/[/URL]

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In an impassioned speech on Charlie Kirk's podcast on Monday, Vice President JD Vance argued that the American left has a much stronger propensity than the right to justify or celebrate political violence.

Like most people with an internet connection, I have seen many more people than I would like justifying assassination in the last few days. If you argue about politics for a living, and especially if you regularly stand up to make conservative arguments in public spaces, it is very hard not to take this extremely personally, to feel that a veil has been lifted and something generally threatening has been exposed.

At the same time, I would not exactly agree with the vice president's framing. The polling he cites, showing that liberals are more likely than conservatives to justify taking joy in the death of an opponent, may capture something real (more on that below), but polling is sensitive to question-framing and to political fluctuations, and you don't have to hunt far to find polls from the Biden era showing greater Republican sympathy for violence.

If I were going to generalize aggressively, I would suggest that the American left is more likely to support and make excuses for the kind of protest politics that can lead to rioting and a breakdown of civil order, and more likely to support deplatforming efforts that depend for their effectiveness on the fear that a speaker might end up assaulted. (This is, again, a generalization; I acknowledge that the right can riot and de-platform as well.).

But when it comes to politically motivated murder, extreme-right and neo-Nazi shooters are all too commonplace. And as I have argued many times before, a great many recent assassins and mass shooters don't fit neatly into normal partisan categories, and our age of anxiety is creating monsters that defy ideological description.

Based on what we know so far, however, it looks as though Kirk's assassin probably does have legible, left-wing motivations. And if those motivations aren't proof of where the left stands right now, they still might offer a warning about where its radical fringe could go.

Even if many assassins aren't normal political actors, there are periods in American life when a wave of violence is linked to a specific ideological disposition. We saw this happen on the left within living memory — in the 1970's, when acts of far-left terrorism became an everyday feature of American life. (If you doubt that description, the book to read is Bryan Burrough's 2015 history, "Days of Rage. "

Looking back on that era, left-wing radicalization seemed to follow from dashed utopian expectations — the peak of Great Society liberalism giving way to crisis and backlash, the belief that the New Left could renew and rule America yielding to the reality that Richard Nixon's voters really were the silent majority. From this realization came a surfeit of apocalyptic thinking, radicalism flavored by despair, all of it worsened by the era's social chaos and drug culture.

Our moment is different, but there are echoes of the 1960's and 1970's in the recent experience of American progressivism. A belief in a nearly inevitable leftward arc of history, a guaranteed multiracial Democratic majority, giving way to the repeated shocks of the populist era. A period of extraordinary cultural influence, of revolutionary zeal joined to institutional power, that peaked in 2020 and 2021 and has been dissolving ever since. An insistence that the election of 2024 had existential stakes, that democracy itself was on the ballot, followed by resounding defeat. A backdrop of apocalyptic fears, fear of climate change above all, amid a technological transformation that has left many young people unmoored from family and friendship.

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As a longtime of observer of progressivism from the near outside, I have never seen it quite so anxious and adrift — so fearful of the future, so uncertain about its own goals, so existentially anxious and bunkered down. To the extent that polls showing a greater left-wing willingness to take joy in an opponent's death ring true, it's as especially toxic manifestations of this bunker mentality; they fit with the surveys showing that progressives are more likely to cut off friends and family over political differences.

And they also dovetail with the data showing greater depression and anxiety among young liberals and falling progressive birthrates relative to conservatives. It's all part of the same darkening trajectory.

I have been writing about these trends lately because I think they are bad in and of themselves, and progressives (and not only progressives!) should be concerned about them independently of whether they lead to radicalism and violence.

But despair feeding further violence seems like a real possibility, a plausible escalation from where we are right now. And if so, progressives themselves need a pre-emptive response. Here I don't have in mind just the (welcome) statements from prominent Democrats condemning Kirk's assassination. I mean something more in the realm of moral and philosophical imagination, something that addresses the hard questions hanging over the left in 2025.

How do you love your country when it's governed by a man you hate? Can love and friendship coexist with profound political divisions? What makes life worth living if the course of history isn't what you thought? If everything feels like power relations, and power has slipped from your fingers, where can you find the good, the beautiful, the true? What makes humanity a blessing on the world rather than a blight?

Even if we aren't headed back to the 1970's, even if Kirk's assassination isn't a harbinger, in answering these questions progressivism will find something essential: a reason for hope, and a cure for its despair.

So even MDS' Ross Douthat with all the resources available to him at National Review could not come up with a single example of a poster in this forum engaging in the hogwash that AH accused somebody named Bob of engaging in here.

Thanks for the follow up, MDS.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026828]It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Inflation is under 3%, not great, but no where near the levels under Biden. Stock market is up. Real Estate prices remain high, not much selling, but that is going to reverse overnight once interest rates drop. It is not the booming economy of Trump 2016, but its not like anyone lost any money. If you followed the news, they would have you believe next great depression is coming. Fake news.[/QUOTE]Not only did Trump have zero to do with the great economic trajectories in place under Obama-Biden in 2016, the year before Trump took office, almost as great as the Envy of the World Economy conditions handed to him in January by Biden-Harris, but he didn't even have anything to do with the economic conditions of 2017, his first year in office.

Moscow Mitch prevented Trump from signing any new economic legislation for the entirety of 2017, his first year in office, because lifelong Repub Moscow Mitch knew very well anything his Party put together and signed by Trump was bound to produce results somewhere between accomplishing nothing but adding Trillions to the deficit and crashing the economy into one of his Party's patented Great Repub Depressions or Great Repub Recessions.

He was right.

Trump was not given anything to sign that had anything whatsoever to do with the economy until the very last business day of 2017, December 23.

Until then he simply played golf, made up insulting names for his critics and coasted on the terrific jobs-creating economy handed to him by Obama-Biden.

That is a kind of Do Nothing luxury every incoming Repub has been able to enjoy thanks to the fine and stable economy handed to them by the outgoing Dem for at least 100 years while no incoming Dem following an outgoing Repub has been able to enjoy that for so much as 1 minute after taking the Oath of Office. Prime examples being Obama taking over from GW Bush in 2009 and Biden taking over from Trump in 2021. Incoming Dems have to hit the ground running on day one to pull the country and most of the rest of the world out of the colossal mess of everything handed to them by the outgoing Repub.

And, yes, that is often accompanied by higher rate of inflation during the Great Dem Recovery than when jobs are being wiped out by the millions thanks to Repub policies. A rate of inflation that was steadily declining after Biden-Harris had accomplished their historic recovery from the existential worldwide economic disaster Trump handed them to fix but is now increasing under Trump and his record high and utterly unnecessary American Consumer tax increases.

And, yep, Mitch was right in that the one and only economic "stimulus" legislation he ever handed Trump to sign on that last business day of 2017 did indeed add Trillions to the deficit while somehow managing to produce a Million Fewer jobs with it in Trump's 3 pre Trump's Pandemic years than in the previous 3 far superior years under Obama-Biden without it.

Was there a booming economy under Trump in 2018 when at least some of his deficit-exploding one and only economic legislation provisions began to take effect?

Only if you consider a Bear Market decline in the broad USA Stock Market a symptom of a booming economy. That happened under Trump in 2018, the first of his two Bear Market Declines in just four years. And his plunging the agriculture and manufacturing industries into Recession so deep he had to issue them emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat thanks to his blitheringly disastrous failed trade and tariff war with China. Sound familiar? Was that the "boom" in the economy under Trump you were talking about?

Trump's one and only economic legislation during his 1st disastrous Worst President in USA History term where he left office with fewer jobs in the country than the day he took over not only never showed an increase in jobs creation to add anything of value to the terrific economy handed to him by Obama-Biden, it didn't even add a penny to increased American Working Men and Women's wages while he was busy making other decisions in 2018 and 2019 that would predictably wipe out millions of jobs; any increase in wages during Trump's presidency was due to 20+ Major Blue Cities and Great Blue States increasing the minimum wage contrary to the economic philosophy of Trump, Moscow Mitch and virtually every other Repub.

Please tell us more about that "booming" economy that supposedly happened under Trump and due to any economic decision he made or policy he passed.

For the country, that is, not for himself and his Crime Family.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026417] In regards to political violence. I condemn it all sides and all acts of political violence should be reported and spoken out against.[/QUOTE]Funny, I thought that, was what I was doing, when I responded to your post! Huh, go figure!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026417]I also love how we keep having this discussion on my friends death from Biden's open border policy. [/QUOTE]Now you're getting it all twisted!

My response to your post, has allow been about debating [B]your cognitive dissonance.[/B]

Basically how a moral individual (assume you're a moral person, save our hobbying that is? Who has lost of someone close, killed by drugs, and yet can parrot such vile political statements of violence, that explicitly (or implicitly) [U]devalue human life[/U] in the gross context and reverence, to your MAGA leader and money.

It's not like we've haven't heard this type of dangerous stochastic terrorist speech before, being parroted, coming from the [B]right-wing QAnon/MAGA/Repub "rank-and-file"[/B], as it gets normalized and repeated, no doubt, as some sort of QAnon / MAGA "code", to elicit right-wing justified political violence.

Reluctantly, I will say your MAGA Fuhrer, is quite the master at stochastic terrorism. Note how eerily similar [B]your "exaggerated" speech[/B] is to your MAGA master's speech. However, instead of [I]"...the WH lawn",[/I] it is [I]"...5th Avenue, NY".[/I].

[QUOTE][b]'Fifth Avenue Comment':[/b] by the MAGA Fuhrer, at a Sioux Center, Iowa, rally (Jan 23rd, 2016): "I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that? I could stand in middle of Fifth Avenue and [b]shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters,[/b] OK?" [url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters/[/url][/QUOTE]Perhaps you don't realize it, but that kind of speech, [B]"exaggerated"[/B] or [B]NOT,[/B] is just plane offensive and insensitive, to a whole community of people, that have also suffered and lost family members, friends and loved ones, to senseless killings and gun violence, from such hate / political rhetoric.

It's funny you should mention Alex Jones (is that where you got the idea? As he did the same thing with his callous inflammatory speech, calling Sandy Hook massacre, a "staged. Giant hoax" and relentlessly trivialized the massacre and those families mourning the death of their kids and loved ones.

[U]Anywho, it all boils down to this:[/U]

[I]([b]Remember:[/b] This is my reasoning and thinking with regards to reading your initial post, here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url]) and my response to it. [/I]

[NOPARSE]Your cognitive dissonance, I spoke of, basically juxtaposes the two (2) conflicting ideas you hold in your mind. On the one hand you are in-touch with the misery, harm and death from fentanyl/drugs of a friend. But on the other hand, you appeared to be totally blind, oblivious and seemingly trivialized the misery, harm and death, caused to other peoples loved ones, resulting from stochastic terrorism and hateful, inflammatory political speech, regarding killing/gun violence. [/NOPARSE]

Whether it's your MAGA Fuhrer or YOUR casual, abstract endorsement of "hypothetical" violence (ie. [I][b]"...in the middle of Fifth Avenue"[/b][/I] -OR- [I][b]"...on the WH lawn"[/b][/I]), for political and / or monetary gain, I read them both as disturbing, offensive and insensitive. As IMO, they both suggested that, political loyalty or economic gain, are valued more than a human life. [B]Ergo your cognitive dissonance![/B].

[NOPARSE]Yeah, sorry to disappoint,...but there was no mocking (or attack),[/NOPARSE] as I know you would like to categorize my repose, to your post. There was ONLY EVER just [U]a debate (at least from me),[/U] about [B]your cognitive dissonance.[/B].

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026645]Sometimes I feel like the [b]heartless posts I see on this forum[/b] and online are from people who have never experienced real love for something. Seems like some people never had a real friendship and don't understand how mocking the death of a good friend could really put a dagger in someone's heart. People spend too much time posting on forums and become disconnected from the real world and then post this heartless garbage online like its no big deal.[/QUOTE]There's that [I][b]cognitive dissonance,...[/b][/I]AGAIN!

Now juxtapose what you just posted, with what you said, in your initial "heartless" and "exaggerated" post about your Fuhrer's impunity when it comes to using violence, in pursuit of money over the value of human life, and why should people "give a fuck" about life or ethics:
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck [u]about right and wrong[/u] anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket...",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
And here is the very eerily similar and [B]equally insensitive[/B] MAGA political rhetoric and propaganda quote from your MAGA Fuhrer:
[LIST][i]"I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that? ...I could stand in middle of Fifth Avenue and [b]shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters,[/b] OK?" [/i][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters/[/url][/LIST]
See what I mean [I][b]...cognitive dissonance![/b][/I].

Ergo, no accounting or taking responsibility for the suffering and loss of others, through senseless killings and violence from your own words, or your Fuhrer's MAGA political rhetoric and stochastic terrorism.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026843][b]Well[/b]

The market has cycles and it is extremely overpriced right now and way way overdue for a correction and Tokyo Rose et al will blame Our Lord and Savior of course. [/QUOTE][NOPARSE] Don't be so freakin' naive! Of course he's gonna get blamed!

That's just how things work when you're in power. When a market crashes, recession, depression and/or [/NOPARSE][B]"bad shit happens",[/B] on your watch, as any good president of these United States, would naturally take the blame. You take blame, you take accountability and if your a good "little orange" president, you [U]then make good policy changes,[/U] that hopefully remedies the "bad shit".

[NOPARSE]But Oh No!...you MAGA suckers, somehow think, the rules don't apply to your MAGA Fuhrer! Well I got news for ya...THEY DO! [/NOPARSE]

[I][b]Every Republican President Over The Last 100 Years Has Had A Recession,[/b][/I] Mar 16,2020.

[URL]https://medium.com/@davidkellyuph/every-republican-president-over-the-last-100-years-has-had-a-recession-baa20aa7b107[/URL]

So dude, you do realize, given the abysmal track record of Repub presidents (see article above) on the economy, it's not unreasonable and fair to say, that EihTooms' assessment is wholeheartedly correct and has every right and reason, to think or assume, [NOPARSE](based on 100+ years of history) that this QAnon/MAGA/Repub president isn't gonna be any different and would naturally "fuck-up" the economy again.[/NOPARSE].
[LIST][i]Just like the [b]13x times, Repub presidents before him (...dating back to 1920),[/b] where your ("know nothing", "do nothing", "no nothing") Repubs have crashed the markets, or gone into a recession or depression.[/i][/LIST]
Every Republican president over the past 100+ years! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026907]Funny, I thought that, was what I was doing, when I responded to your post! Huh, go figure!

Now you're getting it all twisted!

My response to your post, has allow been about debating [B]your cognitive dissonance.[/B]

Basically how a moral individual (assume you're a moral person, save our hobbying that is? Who has lost of someone close, killed by drugs, and yet can parrot such vile political statements of violence, that explicitly (or implicitly) [U]devalue human life[/U] in the gross context and reverence, to your MAGA leader and money.

It's not like we've haven't heard this type of dangerous stochastic terrorist speech before, being parroted, coming from the [B]right-wing QAnon/MAGA/Repub "rank-and-file"[/B], as it gets normalized and repeated, no doubt, as some sort of QAnon / MAGA "code", to elicit right-wing justified political violence.

Reluctantly, I will say your MAGA Fuhrer, is quite the master at stochastic terrorism. Note how eerily similar [B]your "exaggerated" speech[/B] is to your MAGA master's speech. However, instead of [I]"...the WH lawn",[/I] it is [I]"...5th Avenue, NY".[/I].

Perhaps you don't realize it, but that kind of speech, [B]"exaggerated"[/B] or [B]NOT,[/B] is just plane offensive and insensitive, to a whole community of people, that have also suffered and lost family members, friends and loved ones, to senseless killings and gun violence, from such hate / political rhetoric..[/QUOTE]What are you talking about fifth avenue for? What does that have to do with me?

LOLOLOLOL. I am beyond happy we still get to do this and you are opening up to me and showing your lack of ability to argue any sensible politics LOL. First off, your over compensating brother. You are trying to use words and logic which you don't really understand. You are embarrassing yourself. Stick to words and arguments you can actually explain. Are you really still twisting words to make an argument here? LOL see'Mon. You are better than this. You have to find new ammo to fire, but ok well go over it again and I ll explain it like you are a child because clearly you can't read and comprehend the english language well LOL. When I stated Trump could kill a guy on the White House lawn and no one would care, it is showing how popular he is with his supporters. It has absolutely nothing to do with second amendment gun rights. It is so weird you are coming to that conclusion that you clearly must be paranoid. I am lost we are going through this again and you really think a person would read that and think it is an endorsement of the second amendment and would lead to political violence. Why you would think that would lead to any violence is beyond comprehension. How you could think that is an example of cognitive dissonance is the saddest argument from a clearly sad man I may have ever read. If my statement on Trump offends you, that is your problem as a person. You are way too sensitive! Please come up with some thing new. As I wrote before, you may have been too scared to read, other members on the forum are even explaining this simple concept to you.

As for my friend and things that Trump says. One is political and public and the other is personal. When you specifically attack my friend, it is personal to me. In my opinion, it is disgusting. I am no moral authority, but I will not attack some one over politics in such a vile way. Dead friends and family are off limits. I think only a person who is a piece of steaming shit would mock dead friends and it is even worse to have the chance to take it back, but still attack a person. As I explained before, it shows you are asshole. Now Trump is a politician who says many different things and I don't always agree with him. I can't control what he says and I have stated many times he is often too harsh with his rhetoric. You are full control when you mock my friend for dying from his addiction, you have done this on multiple different occasions. Do you see the difference Spidy? Very simple logic friend. You really do seem like a guy who sits in his basement all day and has never had a friend which is why you don't grasp these concepts.

Oh and speaking of cognitive dissonance LOL. You are quite the example my fine friend Spidy! You are taking a shot knocking me for sex tourism as if it is immoral. For the record aspects of it are and I am not perfect or a saint. But if you are so high and mighty to knock me for it, what are you even doing here! You are on a sex tourism forum! It is a place for mongers! You even said you used to travel. Yet you are attacking me over a false claim of cognitive dissonance when you clearly are guilty of being a sex tourist and at the same time knocking me for it! Who is the cognitive dissonant now? Lolololol Thank you so much for posting. I love replying to these posts exposing what a joke your false claims are.

LOLOL Please reply ASAP! Do more cognitive dissonance routines too LOL. This is fun.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026848]So even MDS' Ross Douthat with all the resources available to him at National Review could not come up with a single example of a poster in this forum engaging in the hogwash that AH accused somebody named Bob of engaging in here.

Thanks for the follow up, MDS.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/624606-america-wont-be-the-same/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026916]There's that [I][b]cognitive dissonance,...[/b][/I]AGAIN!

Now juxtapose what you just posted, with what you said, in your initial "heartless" and "exaggerated" post about your Fuhrer's impunity when it comes to using violence, in pursuit of money over the value of human life, and why should people "give a fuck" about life or ethics:
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck [u]about right and wrong[/u] anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket...",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
And here is the very eerily similar and [B]equally insensitive[/B] MAGA political rhetoric and propaganda quote from your MAGA Fuhrer:.[/QUOTE]Figure of speech spidy. No one is going to get hurt because normal people read that and understand the writer's intent. Which is to show Trump is very popular with his supports. It actually has nothing to do with real violence. It has to do with the popularity of Trump. Only paranoid people who suffer from Trump derangement syndrome would read that and come to the conclusion Trump is going to kill one because I wrote that.

It also has nothing to do with second amendment and it has nothing to do with people who have lost loved ones to gun violence like you are trying to falsely claim.

The doctor has a diagnosis for you Spidy. You came down a bad case of TRUMP DERANGEMENT syndrome! Only known cure is trip to MAGA heaven LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026983][NOPARSE] Don't be so freakin' naive! Of course he's gonna get blamed!

That's just how things work when you're in power. When a market crashes, recession, depression and/or [/NOPARSE][B]"bad shit happens",[/B] on your watch, as any good president of these United States, would naturally take the blame. You take blame, you take accountability and if your a good "little orange" president, you [U]then make good policy changes,[/U] that hopefully remedies the "bad shit".

[NOPARSE]But Oh No!...you MAGA suckers, somehow think, the rules don't apply to your MAGA Fuhrer! Well I got news for ya...THEY DO! [/NOPARSE]..[/QUOTE]I'm not an economist and don't pretend to be an economic expert on ISG like some here, it seems like a classical logical fallacy.

But I'm just guessing Republicans get caught holding the bag when the shit hits the fan from shitty Democratic policies.

Just like Scumbag Biden tried to destroy us with Build Back Better.

And Scumbag Bubba destroyed the economy for Scumbag W.

[URL]https://www.demos.org/blog/owning-consequences-clinton-and-repeal-glass-steagall[/URL]

And Tokyo Rose still claims Scumbag didn't end Glass Steagall.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026856]Not only did Trump have zero to do with the great economic trajectories in place under Obama-Biden in 2016, the year before Trump took office, almost as great as the Envy of the World Economy conditions handed to him in January by Biden-Harris, but he didn't even have anything to do with the economic conditions of 2017, his first year in office.

Moscow Mitch prevented Trump from signing any new economic legislation for the entirety of 2017, his first year in office, because lifelong Repub Moscow Mitch knew very well anything his Party put together and signed by Trump was bound to produce results somewhere between accomplishing nothing but adding Trillions to the deficit and crashing the economy into one of his Party's patented Great Repub Depressions or Great Repub Recessions..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQVUZD2GaoA[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3027016]I'm not an economist and don't pretend to be an economic expert on ISG like some here, it seems like a classical logical fallacy.

[B]But I'm just guessing Republicans get caught holding the bag when the shit hits the fan from shitty Democratic policies.[/b]

Just like Scumbag Biden tried to destroy us with Build Back Better.

And Scumbag Bubba destroyed the economy for Scumbag W.

[URL]https://www.demos.org/blog/owning-consequences-clinton-and-repeal-glass-steagall[/URL]

And Tokyo Rose still claims Scumbag didn't end Glass Steagall.[/QUOTE]That would be a very bad guess.

Every Great Depression, Great Recession or Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years was produced and presided over by Repub Administrations, including the last three under Reagan with his Great Recession, GW Bush and Trump, and none of the Great Recoveries, Great Economic Expansions or Historic jobs Gains while in that same 100 years every Great Recovery, Great Economic Expansion or Historic Jobs Gains has been produced and presided over by Dem Administrations, including the last three under Clinton, Obama and Biden, and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions or Historic Jobs Losses.

It would defy all logic and reason in the real world for that astonishing, uninterrupted pattern to be the result of bad luck and timing for Repubs, good luck and timing for Dems, a bizarre, mystical, magical business and economic cycle that only favors Dems and punishes Repubs no matter how many years each Party serves in the WH or wild coincidence.

It happens because Repub economic policies and stewardship are crap. And by now it is unavoidable to conclude they are crap by design, intended to be crap, made sure to be crap and are not celebrated by Repub voters unless they are really, truly and inarguably crap. And the more historically colossal crap they are the more Repub voters love it and are excited to vote for it and enjoy it over and over and over again!

Because, you know, it turns out really, truly, inarguable, colossal economic crap results tends to "own the libs", the perennial overriding goal of every Repub con artist, grifter, fraud and charlatan because they know that is all they need to deliver in order to line their own pockets and spend 4-8 years goin' fishing, riding ponies, clearin' brush down at the ranch and playing golf.

Meanwhile, how did luck, timing, economic cycles and wild coincidence manage to allow Dems to propose, fight for and pass Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, the Equal Rights Amendment, Civil Rights Amendment, Voting Rights, the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, the American Recovery and Re-Investment Act, the Affordable Care Act, the American Rescue Plan Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, the Science and Chips Act, etc, etc, etc when they held the WH, controlled the House and Senate but prevented Repubs from proposing, fighting for and passing one goddam thing as beneficial to America as the least of those in the past 100 years when they have held the WH, control of the House and Senate but instead they always have time and energy to produce Great Depressions, Great Recessions or Massive Jobs Destruction?

Any guesses for how the fuck that has happened over the past 100 years right up to this very minute?

Oh and, BTW, the Repub Congress' 1999 veto-proof replacement of Glass-Steagall had virtually nothing to do with GW Bush's 2008 Great Repub Crash, Depression / Recession and Massive Jobs Destroying Financial / Housing Crisis, as much as I would like to blame the 1999 Repub-controlled House and Senate that made it their veto-proof mission to replace it on them.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027010]What are you talking about fifth avenue for? What does that have to do with me? [/QUOTE]If you can't see the cognitive dissonance connection and similarities between you and your Fuhrer's inflammatory violent political hate speech, I can't help you. But don't worry I'm sure it'll sink in down the road.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027010]LOLOLOLOL. I am beyond happy we still get to do this and you are opening up to me and showing your lack of ability to argue any sensible politics LOL. First off, your over compensating brother. You are trying to use words and logic which you don't really understand. You are embarrassing yourself. Stick to words and arguments you can actually explain. Are you really still twisting words to make an argument here? [/QUOTE][NOPARSE]Dude, ...REALLY, it's okay to admit, you have no idea, what it means to be in a state of cognitive dissonance! [/NOPARSE]Not to worry, as you're NOT the first and you won't be the last, to NOT understand cognitive dissonance!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027010]As for my friend and things that Trump says. One is political and public and the other is personal. When you specifically attack my friend, it is personal to me. In my opinion, it is disgusting.[/QUOTE]Likewise when you talk about, [B]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong..."[/B] and [B]...Trump could kill a man...[/B], it's disgusting, insensitive and personal to a community of people, that have also lost love ones from senseless killings, [NOPARSE]shootings and/or political [/NOPARSE]violence.
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url]

That kind of speech is uncalled for, and has no place as "exaggerated" speech or otherwise![/LIST]
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027010]You are taking a shot knocking me for sex tourism as if it is immoral. For the record aspects of it are and I am not perfect or a saint. But if you are so high and mighty to knock me for it, what are you even doing here! You are on a sex tourism forum![/QUOTE]Yeah, unfortunately, that was Admin doing, as they basically screwed up the "context" of that statement and its comedic delivery. Admin removed the [I][b]"(...kkkk!)",[/b][/I] meant to jokingly show, that WE BOTH participate in this "morale" activity.

[NOPARSE]Yeah, again sorry to disappoint,...but there was no mocking (or attack), ONLY [/NOPARSE][B]your cognitive dissonance[/B], which unfortunately for you, still remains.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027013]The doctor has a diagnosis for you Spidy. You came down a bad case of TRUMP DERANGEMENT syndrome! Only known cure is trip to MAGA heaven LOL.[/QUOTE]Trumpsters are so deranged and delusional that instead of being able to see and acknowledge the truth, instead they label those who call out Trump for his MAGA transgressions as being the ones who are deranged. MAGA is deeply deranged in the membrane! Insane in the membrane!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027060]If you can't see the cognitive dissonance connection and similarities between you and your Fuhrer's inflammatory violent political hate speech, I can't help you. But don't worry I'm sure it'll sink in down the road.

[NOPARSE]Dude, ...REALLY, it's okay to admit, you have no idea, what it means to be in a state of cognitive dissonance! [/NOPARSE]Not to worry, as you're NOT the first and you won't be the last, to NOT understand cognitive dissonance!.[/QUOTE]Shocker LOL! You didn't explain a thing and are only going to stick with cognitive dissonance. It is beyond pathetic we are still are on this, but ok we will will keep going.

If Trump said something that is hate speech, that is on him. I have done no such thing. I simply pointed out that Trump is immensely popular with his supporters to the point he could kill some one publicly on the White House lawn and people would still support him. Relax, I know you Trump Derangement is taking control of you because you cannot control your emotions. I have good news for you. Just because I stated the obvious, that Trump is popular, does not mean he is going to kill anyone. In fact Spidy, I am fairly certain Trump will never even read this. So ease your heart my little friend. I also have good news for you. Trump's supporters will read that if they are on this forum, and completely understand it was a statement to show Trump's base loves him and they are endeared to him to a degree they will still accept him even if he commits criminal acts. They will not start killing people on the White House lawn like you are trying to imply LOL.

Just please, explain how you think people who have lost loved ones to murder might be offended by what I have written. Just explain it. No cognitive dissonance bullshit. Actually explain how some one could be offended by what I have written or what I have written has anything to do with gun violence or the second amendment LOL. This is so fucking stupid, but also hysterical LOL.

Explain, please.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027065]Trumpsters are so deranged and delusional that instead of being able to see and acknowledge the truth, instead they label those who call out Trump for his MAGA transgressions as being the ones who are deranged. MAGA is deeply deranged in the membrane! Insane in the membrane![/QUOTE]What is the truth cane LOL? Explain how when I state, "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still support him as long as he is making money. Which is sad but true. " that could some how offend some one who has suffered from gun violence or has anything to do with the second amendment? Beyond stupid. It is clearly to show Trump supporters have strong unwavering support for him. I even state how it is sad but true.

Just explain, don't take shots and criticize. Explain it, please.

By your logic, we cannot reference murder or guns in speech any more because it would be too offensive to people who have been victims of gun violence. LOL, I can't believe we are debating this, but again, many cases of Snowflake Trump Derangement syndrome.

Its about time this happened.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027149]What is the truth cane LOL? Explain how when I state, "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still support him as long as he is making money. Which is sad but true. " that could some how offend some one who has suffered from gun violence or has anything to do with the second amendment? Beyond stupid. It is clearly to show Trump supporters have strong unwavering support for him. I even state how it is sad but true.

Just explain, don't take shots and criticize. Explain it, please.

By your logic, we cannot reference murder or guns in speech any more because it would be too offensive to people who have been victims of gun violence. LOL, I can't believe we are debating this, but again, many cases of Snowflake Trump Derangement syndrome.[/QUOTE]Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's [B]you[/B] who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027167]Its about time this happened.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ[/URL][/QUOTE]Where does this supposed "AnTIfa" or is it "Anti-FA" group as those Fux News Loons can't seem to decide what they are called gather for their meetings to plan their anti-Fascist attacks on Fascists facilitating Fascism, distribute their George Soros checks and so on? By now the highly detail-oriented FBI Director must have a handle on that.

One Fux News Loon says they, whoever they are, always wear black, presumably the uniform of this supposed "anTIfa" or is it "anti-FA" group but then shows a video of various and disparate individuals wearing white, red, black, blue, other colors standing on and around a car fire, tossing paper, bricks or whatever at it.

Should I stop wearing my black t-shirts and black polo-type shirts like I see 75% of the men and women of the world wearing on a night out to dinner and a movie, a bar hop or a day at the park? I mean, just so I don't get rounded up by that highly detail-oriented FBI Director's goons for not being in favor of Trumpian Fascism. And where the hell are my George Soros checks?

Imagine if Joe Biden had falsely claimed to have stopped a war between two countries but could not accurately name either one of them.

Which he never did:

[B]Trump touts his peace deal between Aberbaijan and Albania getting both countries names wrong.
Er Albania, I mean...., President Trump said, while referring to the decades-long conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Aug. 21, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-peace-deal-armenia-azerbaijan-b2811556.html[/URL]

Now, imagine if he did it multiple times:

[B]Trump, 79, Confused Over Which Countrys War He Solved.
Sept. 18, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-79-confused-over-country-162429050.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc[/URL]

[QUOTE]"I think that we settled Aber-baijan and Albania, Trump said during a joint press conference with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer.
..........
"If Biden made a gaffe this egregious and embarrassing, it would be front-page news in the New York Times. But now its just Trump being Trump! journalist Aaron Rupar wrote on X.

He should pressure Armenia to change its name to Albania, quipped another social media user.[/QUOTE]That must have been a fully researched and intense Peace Negotiation between Trump those two countries Trump doesn't even know the names of or which countries they are. Or maybe it was just a meeting to iron out some deal where one or both of those countries get a huge American tax-payer funds donation in exchange for putting the word "Trump" on a building somebody else designed and built in their countries.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027167]Its about time this happened.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ[/URL][/QUOTE]Indict George Soros for funding domestic terrorism.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027065]Trumpsters are so deranged and delusional that instead of being able to see and acknowledge the truth, instead they label those who call out Trump for his MAGA transgressions as being the ones who are deranged. MAGA is deeply deranged in the membrane! Insane in the membrane![/QUOTE]Yeah, sorry, Cane, you said there was no way Trump was going to win in 2024 right? You were getting somewhere where you were discussing the issues and now you go right back to the team sport analogies. Yes, Trumpsters, which is about half the population, are crazy and delusional. Really?

You tell me who is delusional. You have Spidy and Tooms saying how great the economy was under Biden. You have me saying that under the Biden economy if you were a home owner, you did great. If you were looking to buy a home, then the Biden economy sucked ass. Did you consider this when you made your prediction?

And the election really changed with a few groups changing voting. The big three were Latinos, young people, and black men. And the delusional Loony Tooms comes up with this crazy Muslim crap.

Before he was killed, Chalie Kirk was on Tucker Carlson and he addressed this very issue and he insisted that home ownership and the prosperity of the young was critical to winning future votes. What bugs me so much is that people focused on what Charlie Kirk said but they ignore the fact that he actually listened to the plight of others.

This is the video of the Texas Tech student who was arrested, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lpZEGsOi1U[/URL]

And this black girl is how all you Democrats look to us. This black girl is accusing someone of having different political views of being racist and sexist. She then goes and makes a physical confrontation and tips his cap off.

Can you imagine if I did that with a black belt or power lifter? I would expect to have my ass kicked if I did that, but she feels so empowered that this guy won't beat the fuck out of her, and I would go as far as to say she deserves it after her actions. She is literally celebrating a political assassination.

And then there is another black guy who goes to a Charlie Kirk memorial and taunts the death of Kirk.

When you call MAGA people delusional, you look like this black man and woman celebrating Kirk's death. Is that what you want?

I hate the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled for what he said, but if you are going to cancel people for making racist and sexist comments, you cannot let a statement like this go.

On Monday Kimmel's troubles began when he mused that the "MAGA gang" was "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them. ".

And you are the one calling MAGA people delusional? Nah, we are sick of the lying and the complete lack of responsibility for the hate speech.

As everyone knows and as the blatantly obvious results show, not one typically Blue-ish state flipped to Trump in 2024 due to Latinos, young people and Black Men choosing Trump over Harris on any issue constantly harped on by Repubs and their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media.

No, instead the winner of the 2024 presidential election was determined in only 3 swing states, yes typically Blue-ish, but not because any of those above-mentioned demographics turned out to vote for Trump or against Harris because of the economy, inflation, immigration, crime, non-existent "woke-ism", pronouns or trannies.

We know that because there was no particularly notable push to motivate and mobilize any of those demographics on any of those issues in the only three swing states that mattered and that ultimately did determine the winner and instead it was due to a particular motivation and mobilization of one particular demographic on one particular issue that was just enough to swing less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point from Harris to Trump across all of those three swing states and hand him the win.

Consequently, a swing of less than 115,000 Muslim votes out of the hundreds of thousands of that demographic's votes across those three swing states, PA, MI and WI, was all it took to produce a horrible so-called president Trump instead of a far superior potential President Harris.

The issue that motivated and mobilized that particular demographic on that one particular issue was that angry Muslim Community leaders in those three swing states wanted to punish the Biden Administration for supporting Israel in the Israel / Palestine Conflict, which they extrapolated to supporting Netanyahu, who they hated.

They targeted no other Blue-ish states for this push because they knew those three swing states held the key to handing the presidency to Trump just by concentrating on their Community's voters' swinging their votes from Harris to Trump.

They were right.

No other Blue-ish states were so targeted by those Muslim Community leaders, which is precisely why no other Blue states flipped to Trump due to any other demographics' votes based on any other issue.

Regardless, the Latinos who didn't bother to vote in 2024 and therefore FAFO what a 2nd Repub MAGA Trump so-called presidency might provide, are truly sorry they allowed themselves to be bamboozled by pro-Repub "bothsider / neithersiders" into falling for the crock of bullshit that it doesn't matter all that much who is President so they might as well not bother to vote for the Dems they usually vote for. Lolol.

Oh well.

[B]High prices and health care costs may turn Latino voters away from Republicans in 2026.[/B]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2025/08/13/nx-s1-5490046/latino-voters-economy-inflation-healthcare-costs-trump-2026-midterms[/URL]

[QUOTE]According to Equis Research, a Latino polling organization, about a third of Latinos who supported Trump last year "are not set on voting for a Republican" during next year's midterms.
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"Republicans have failed to deliver on a lot of their campaign promises, particularly around lowering the cost of living," she said. "And if they want to retain any gains they may have made among Latino voters, they need to be sure to deliver on the promises they made that maybe gave them some additional support in the last election."
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Melissa Morales, the founder and president of Somos Votantes and Somos PAC, a left-leaning Latino voter mobilization organization, said her group's polling has found that pessimism about the economy among Latino voters since Trump took office is only growing at this point.

"The longer Trump is in office, the more frustrated Latino voters are becoming with his economic policies," Morales said. "And it's becoming a pretty huge liability for him."

It's also a huge liability for the Republican Party, in general. Control of Congress is at stake during next year's midterm elections. The GOP currently has a very narrow majority in the House and the Senate is potentially up for grabs, too. Many of the competitive races across the country are in areas with significant Latino populations.
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A majority of voters (56%) also reported feeling that the economy was only getting worse under Trump.

There is also evidence that Trump's tariff strategy has only increased prices for consumers as they go into effect, which Garza admits could be an issue for conservatives.

"There is a concern that there is a lag on inflation when it comes to the spike in tariffs. Because in the end, the consumer's going to pay for the tariffs," he said. "We're going to be watching that."[/QUOTE]This was a month ago, before worse jobs and inflation numbers were reported. And before Black Men were witness to Trump and his fellow Repub MAGAs celebrating and glorifying the racist sentiment legacy of the tragically shot and killed by another Repub MAGA, Charlie Kirk.

Therefore, hopefully the Repub MAGAs will continue to deify Charlie Kirk and his racist sentiments and drive more and more Black Men further and further away from Repub MAGA Fascism along the way right up to the midterm elections and every election after that in the foreseeable future.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3027297]And you are the one calling MAGA people delusional? Nah, we are sick of the lying and the complete lack of responsibility for the hate speech.[/QUOTE]Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters. Because in your deepest, private moments of clarity you know it's deranged. It's mental defect. It's wrong. And it's criminal! Exactly what America gave back to the world. A disgusting preview of the fall of American democracy unless those of us of sound body, mind, and alacrity for the political fight can grab the ring back again. I'm not about to go around and around and around with you people. You have Tooms and Spidy for that. I don't know how they do it, but God bless them! In fact, I want the time it took me to write this back! And I want you to explain yourselves in a logical and rational manner. I challenge you.

Yes, let's start firing so-called presidents for getting low ratings:

[B]Trump's Approval Rating Hits New Second-Term Low: Poll
Sept. 16, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-approval-rating-hits-new-second-term-low-poll-2130955[/URL]

[QUOTE]The overall drop in approval, driven in part by declines among independents, [b]Hispanics[/b] and weak marks on key issues like the economy and immigration, could constrain the administration politically and shape the dynamics of the 2026 midterm elections.
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The poll finds Trump's approval rating is also underwater on key issues including jobs and the economy, inflation and prices, immigration, civil rights, crime and guns.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027183]Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's [B]you[/B] who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell![/QUOTE]Thank you for trying to at least explain your point in good faith. I will show you the same respect.

You need to reread the original post which you did not take the time to do and you chymed in with some harsh criticism. I am going to assume you just don't fully understand the debate I have been having with Spidy man. In the original post I state that "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still back him as long as he is making them money. It is sad, but true". I didn't say I support that statement. I was making an observation on Trump's core base of supporters, which I am not apart of. I also meant it as a figure of speech. Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent. I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what. That is why I made the statement that I did. I was being critical of his base.

Hopefully you realize my intent and come to the conclusion that anyone who takes offense to that over victims of gun violence or the second amendment is some one who is way too overly sensitive. If you read my original statement and your reaction is how could Ram state that on a public online sex tourism forum, he is inconsiderate to victims of gun violence, then my opinion is your not thinking clearly and you should really seek help. It is not healthy to go through life and be so sensitive to things and always try to make yourself feel offended and angry.

I also believe it is morally wrong to constantly try to villify and shame people without a valid reason. Wrongly and constantly shaming people is what created this blindly loyal base to Trump in the first place. I don't what else to say. If you still don't understand what is going on here then god bless you and may he have mercy your soul LOL.

Nothing in my post has anything to do with real violence. It is a figure of speech. It is first amendment protected and I am not a public figure. I am some random guy on a forum. Should we really not speak out on the problems we see in society? Should we silently watch as Trump supporters look away again and again as he is involved in scandal after scandal.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027183]Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. [u]You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man,[/u] the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome".But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's [B]you[/B] who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell! [/QUOTE]You are [B]EXACTLY[/B] right!

This is exactly the kind of [B]cognitive dissonance[/B] "blanket", [NOPARSE]that QAnon/MAGA/Repubs, wrap themselves in and then turn into hypocrites about FREE SPEECH[/NOPARSE]!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331]Thank you for trying to at least explain your point in good faith. I will show you the same respect.

You need to reread the original post which you did not take the time to do and you chymed in with some harsh criticism. I am going to assume you just don't fully understand the debate I have been having with Spidy man. In the original post I state that "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still back him as long as he is making them money. It is sad, but true". I didn't say I support that statement. I was making an observation on Trump's core base of supporters, which I am not apart of. I also meant it as a figure of speech. Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent. I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what..[/QUOTE]First of all you said "don't take shots", then you start taking shots. I don't need "help", and I do understand what's going on. I'm an educated man who understands matters of speech. But apparently you don't understand them because I was referencing "getting away with murder" to emphasize my point. So you criticize me for not getting it when you demonstrate you don't get it yourself LMAO! Second, I didn't say you personally were a hardcore Trumpster, but with your words you seem to excuse their behavior, which I find to be objectionable. And third, still you refuse to answer the core question I asked? Who is it in fact who is "deranged"? Why isn't it those who blindly follow Trump no matter what, even after all of his scandals (you mentioned only a few), and his trampling upon the Constitution? Blind loyalty, [B]no matter what[/B]. Isn't that a deranged mentality? And when the nation's democracy is at stake (yes I believe that), then what to do about it? Because to simply say "it's sad" and leave it at that is unacceptable. This is some serious shit! Donald Trump is one of the most divisive figures in the entire history of the country because of his behavior before and during in the White House, who around 40% of the people are willing to blindly follow right down the shitter. And you sir are also an enabler if all you have to offer is a "sad but true". Those who live in reality know freedom isn't free. Which means we must fight the authoritarian right to the end!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027320]Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters. Because in your deepest, private moments of clarity you know it's deranged. It's mental defect. It's wrong. And it's criminal! Exactly what America gave back to the world. A disgusting preview of the fall of American democracy unless those of us of sound body, mind, and alacrity for the political fight can grab the ring back again. I'm not about to go around and around and around with you people. [b]You have Tooms and Spidy for that. [u]I don't know how they do it,[/u] but God bless them![/b] [/QUOTE]Thanks very much for saying so!

But, The Cane, you do realize, your debate contributions to "Am. Pol. " are always timely and much welcomed, [I][b]especially when it comes time to, "...fight the good fight"[/b][/I].

I do appreciate the high praise, coming from a long-time OG ISG mongerer such as yourself! As I'm sure EihTooms does too!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027320] In fact, I want the time it took me to write this back! [/QUOTE][NOPARSE]While I get your drift...unfortunately that's not how things work![/NOPARSE][I][b] "(...kkkk!)"[/b][/I].

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027320]And I want you to explain yourselves in a logical and rational manner. I challenge you.[/QUOTE]You'd have better luck, "parting the Red Sea", than making sense out of the [B]gish gallop gibberish[/B], that comes out of the MAGA mouths, of the likes of Elvis 2008.

But's here's to you, for daring "to challenge", the "Red Lobster, all-you-can-eat" bankruptcy debate king!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027183]Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's [B]you[/B] who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell![/QUOTE]I also want to be crystal clear on this even though I have said this repeatedly over multiple posts. When I made that statement, it is a figure of speech. Like people like Greg Gutfield and Steven Colbert do all the time. I did not mean it literally that Trump could execute some one on the White House lawn in 2025 in cold blood and people would still support him. I find it insane I have to state this and explain this and that you actually took my statement literally. In reality and in the real world, which some of you clearly are not in touch with LOL, if Trump executed a man on the White House lawn, that is a felony and he would be imprisoned LOL. People would not support him literally murdering people on the White House LOL. I can't believe I have to write this LOL, but this is where we are at in 2025 I guess. Again, if you took that statement I made literally, I think it is sad and I feel bad that you have a biased which must be torturing you daily. Honestly I hope you find peace if read that statement and you thought that it was even a possibility that Trump could get away with murder. I meant it as a comedic figure of speech. It was an exaggeration.

If you feel that such an exaggeration is still wrong, then again, you are too sensitive and it would be insane to put that much of a limit on free speech. It reminds me of prohibition in the 1920's. People outlawed alcohol with the goal of creating a healthier society. It had the exact opposite effect. People are people and will continue to be people no matter what. People are going to drink and all prohibition did was drive the alcohol market to the criminal underworld which led to them using their new power to influence national politics and also taking advantage of innocent businesses across the country with protection rackets and other illegal schemes. In the end all prohibition did was create a more toxic society. The same is true if you make people walk on egg shells all day. It will drive us nuts, just like you have probably been seeing every day in the news with the senseless acts of rage violence and other stupid shit.

[NOPARSE]With the silencing and cancelling of Kimmel, is that IT...for free speech in the U.S?[/NOPARSE]

[B]Yanking Jimmy Kimmel’s show is a new low for free speech in America,[/B] Sep 19,2025.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/19/jimmy-kimmel-free-speech-trump[/URL]

[NOPARSE]By all accounts the corporate American is falling right-in-line with a authoritarian MAGA admin, that is right on track with is fascist right-wing playbook, ...Project 2025

Iran, China, Egypt, Hungry...Turkey...Russia, now...America[/NOPARSE]? So now it's Free Speech for MAGA, but none for you, America?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331]I also meant it as a figure of speech. [b]Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive[/b] would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent.
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Hopefully you realize my intent and come to the conclusion that anyone who takes offense to that over victims of gun violence or the second amendment is some one who is way too overly sensitive. ...It is not healthy to go through life and be so sensitive to things and always try to make yourself feel offended and angry. [/QUOTE]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331] I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what. That is why I made the statement that I did. I was being critical of his base.[/QUOTE]Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331]Nothing in my post has anything to do with real violence. It is a figure of speech. It is first amendment protected and I am not a public figure. I am some random guy on a forum. [/QUOTE]Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3027319]As everyone knows and as the blatantly obvious results show, not one typically Blue-ish state flipped to Trump in 2024 due to Latinos, young people and Black Men choosing Trump over Harris on any issue constantly harped on by Repubs and their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media.

No, instead the winner of the 2024 presidential election was determined in only 3 swing states, yes typically Blue-ish, but not because any of those above-mentioned demographics turned out to vote for Trump or against Harris because of the economy, inflation, immigration, crime, non-existent "woke-ism", pronouns or trannies.

We know that because there was no particularly notable push to motivate and mobilize any of those demographics on any of those issues in the only three swing states that mattered and that ultimately did determine the winner and instead it was due to a particular motivation and mobilization of one particular demographic on one particular issue that was just enough to swing less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point from Harris to Trump across all of those three swing states and hand him the win..[/QUOTE][URL]https://x.com/TheImmortal007/status/1969108300441485489[/URL]

[URL]https://x.com/WhatsNxAmerica/status/1969131210497527836[/URL]

#1 yes George was a criminal.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/government-shutdown-trump-democrats-republicans-rcna232248[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027349]If you feel that such an exaggeration is still wrong, then again, you are too sensitive and it would be insane to put that much of a limit on free speech.[/QUOTE]See below. Seems to me you're the one being overly sensitive here. Going on and on about this. How about just give it a rest? I love being underestimated. Always sets me up for a crushing victory! Or at least making the other side look rather silly.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027336]First of all you said "don't take shots", then you start taking shots. I don't need "help", and I do understand what's going on. I'm an educated man who understands matters of speech. But apparently you don't understand them because I was referencing "getting away with murder" to emphasize my point. So you criticize me for not getting it when you demonstrate you don't get it yourself LMAO! Second, I didn't say you personally were a hardcore Trumpster, but with your words you seem to excuse their behavior, which I find to be objectionable. And third, still you refuse to answer the core question I asked? Who is it in fact who is "deranged"? Why isn't it those who blindly follow Trump no matter what, even after all of his scandals (you mentioned only a few), and his trampling upon the Constitution? Blind loyalty, [B]no matter what[/B]. Isn't that a deranged mentality? And when the nation's democracy is at stake (yes I believe that), then what to do about it? Because to simply say "it's sad" and leave it at that is unacceptable. This is some serious shit! Donald Trump is one of the most divisive figures in the entire history of the country because of his behavior before and during in the White House, who around 40% of the people are willing to blindly follow right down the shitter. And you sir are also an enabler if all you have to offer is a "sad but true". Those who live in reality know freedom isn't free. Which means we must fight the authoritarian right to the end![/QUOTE]If you feel that such an exaggeration is still wrong, then again, you are too sensitive and it would be insane to put that much of a limit on free speech. It reminds me of prohibition in the 1920's. People outlawed alcohol with the goal of creating a healthier society. It had the exact opposite effect. People are people and will continue to be people no matter what. People are going to drink and all prohibition did was drive the alcohol market to the criminal underworld which led to them using their new power to influence national politics and also taking advantage of innocent businesses across the country with protection rackets and other illegal schemes. In the end all prohibition did was create a more toxic society. The same is true if you make people walk on egg shells all day. It will drive us nuts, just like you have probably been seeing every day in the news with the senseless acts of rage violence and other stupid shit.

Ok so I was willing to give you a chance but you have shown me you also have Trump derangement syndrome and are incapable of being unbiased. No worries mate, that will be your cross to bear LOL. I feel bad you will carry so much senseless hate in your heart but that is on you. You will have your opinion and I know the truth and intent of what I wrote and only a deranged individual would come to the conclusions that you have on what I wrote. It is what it is LOL.

I think the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum are deranged. If you dressed up like a viking and ran through the White House on Jan. 6, you need some help. If your having a nervous break down over my original statement, or coming to the conclusions you did, my opinion is you need help LOL. I m very critical of those who blindly follow Trump. I can't make it any more clear. I was criticizing Trump's supporters and some how you take away Trump is actually going to kill some one on the white law LOL, and "get away with murder". LOL you can't make this up hahahaha! I have explained it so many times that was not my intent and you refuse to believe me and just want so badly to be angry and get yourself upset LOL. It is bizarre and I hope you find peace my man. Life is short to be so easily riled up.

I would have dropped this and ignored a long time ago, but I feel honor bound to defend my dead friend. The dude was a very good friend and Spidy who is extremely disrespectful and makes things very personal will not let it go, so I will continue to explain the intent of my post and be critical of him.

You Cane can continue to give yourself a nervous breakdown over this, but I can't waste my time with an unreasonable person. I have said my peace and hope you get some relief my brother.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!.[/QUOTE]Nope not violent speech at all LOL. Read previous post.

Nope, America elected Donald and he is the President. He is representing all people of the country whether you like it or not. That is Democracy LOL.

When is your next trip Spidy? Just curious LOL.

Oh and let's do more cognitive dissonance stuff to deflect from the fact you are incapable of having a logical argument. Next up will be a routine on logical fallacies LOL? You will do anything to avoid an.

Actual debate.

I am all about helping people who need it. I took it upon myself to tell you how to find relief for your illness. You clearly have Trump Derangement syndrome and it is time you have to face the facts and get help. Dial 1-800-2-tickets-2-MAGA-HEAVEN to set up an appointment with a Doctor that can treat you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027320]Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters.[/QUOTE]If you are so fucking smart, Cane, how could you be so wrong with the election prediction Cane? I know your world. I see it every fucking day. You surround yourselves with like minded people, and all you do is say how smart you are and how dumb Republicans are, and the more you carry on, the smarter you think you are. That is why your sorry ass predicted there was no way Trump would win. Do you know anyone who voted for Trump? Is there anyone who you know who voted for Trump and is not crazy?

How could so many Latin men and women and black men vote for someone so racist as Trump? How did he win Cane? I showed you how I see both sides of an issue when it comes to housing. You showed me you do not. No, every one who votes for Trump is a crazed lunatic who wants to suck his dick.

Ah well, you are back to your Democratic douche ways. When you call half the country delusional, chances are it is you not they that are delusional.

Oh yeah, and thanks for gracing us with your presence and incredible insight. Trumpsters are delusional? Wow, that is such an original thought and it was so worthy of your time to write it. I have not heard that one for like what, a whole five minutes Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Mr. My time is more valuable than anyone else's.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.[/QUOTE]Just curious, if your this upset over what I wrote, how do you sleep at night knowing Trump is a two time President and the country you live in, I am assuming your American, elected him twice. LOL that has got to suck for you bro. Sweet dreams and don't let the bed bugs bite LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole' for president![/QUOTE]I just wanted to point out that it was only 49.8% [B]of the electorate that bothered to vote[/B] that wanted that asshole to be president.

Which makes it more like 22% of Americans voting for him.

And when you factor in the reality that is was a swing of less than 115,000 angry Muslim votes from Harris to Trump across the only 3 swing states that mattered being the sole reason Trump won based on the players on the field and not on who we wish had not sat out the game, it comes down to [B]less than
0. 034% of Americans[/B] being directly responsible for Trump winning based on their votes.

And even they sincerely regretted their stupid decision almost immediately after the election.

That is the "landslide" and "voter mandate" that Trump and his Cult Followers keep referencing.

Now, if we go by the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site, their consensus of polls show a growing majority of Americans, not necessarily just those who voted, Disapproving of Trump's Job Performance so far. And without RCP rushing in those wildly Repub-biased Rasmussen and Rasmussen-related polls so often to save the day for their beloved Trump, his majority Disapproval would be much worse.

See screenshots below.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating[/URL]